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| [00:02:02] | meshe: | i am completely lost in this java |
| [00:03:17] | kormoc: | Today is the day of no productivity! |
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| [00:03:52] | meshe: | yup, fresh start on monday figuring out how this code and it's 100's of classes works |
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| [00:19:14] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | that's why I like ruby and python, really difficult to write unmaintainable code... |
| [00:19:41] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt say that |
| [00:20:03] | wagnerrp: | once you start delving into the __ functions, things can get messy real quick |
| [00:20:33] | ** kormoc blinks towards wagnerrp ** | |
| [00:20:58] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: things like constructors and destructors |
| [00:21:05] | wagnerrp: | __init__ and __del__ are basic ones |
| [00:21:21] | wagnerrp: | but theres a whole slew of those that let you rewrite the basic functionality of classes |
| [00:21:48] | kormoc: | ooh, I see what's up |
| [00:21:51] | kormoc: | never mind |
| [00:22:08] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | wagnerrp: I've used them, it's a lot harder to write unmaintainable code than C/C++, Perl or even Java and C#... |
| [00:24:21] | wagnerrp: | Cap_J_L_Picard: any use of __setattr__ instantly makes your code a mess |
| [00:24:36] | ** wagnerrp would know, he used it heavily in the MythTV bindings ** | |
| [00:25:17] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | wagnerrp: it's not needed that frequently. |
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| [00:25:46] | wagnerrp: | Cap_J_L_Picard: the bindings basically implement a crude ORM |
| [00:26:04] | wagnerrp: | mapping between object attributes and database tables |
| [00:26:11] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | wagnerrp: then you would need it, but give me any ORM that isn't a mess to write? |
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| [00:26:32] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [00:26:41] | wagnerrp: | the #python people basically told me 'dont' |
| [00:26:44] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | And, as a computer science student, I should know what ORM is... |
| [00:27:07] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | personally, I prefer ruby over python, but well. |
| [00:27:36] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | generally if you don't know what a __function__ does, you probably don't need it... |
| [00:29:53] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | technically, I should say method not function... |
| [00:30:14] | wagnerrp: | i never understood the difference |
| [00:30:37] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | if you were teaching programming to people who (mostly) haven't programmed before, would you choose Java? |
| [00:30:52] | wagnerrp: | ive never used java, so no |
| [00:31:04] | wagnerrp: | would be fairly hard for me to teach using it |
| [00:31:07] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | wagnerrp: Method -> assigned to a class (OOP), Function, not assigned to a class. |
| [00:31:18] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [00:31:25] | wagnerrp: | so just semantics |
| [00:31:33] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Functions in C, Method in C++ |
| [00:31:37] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | not quite... |
| [00:31:48] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | but mostly... |
| [00:32:13] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | a Method is stricter in operation, with namespaces and stuff... |
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| [00:32:51] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | I can call 5 methods method() in 5 different classes and not have them interfer |
| [00:33:08] | awalls: | Namespace? A method has an implicit pointer to the associated structure ("This") |
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| [00:33:19] | awalls: | Nmaespace I thought were a tad different |
| [00:33:27] | awalls: | /Namespaces/ |
| [00:33:33] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | awalls: not always in the case of static methods. |
| [00:33:55] | awalls: | Well yes, but singletones are not the norm |
| [00:34:02] | awalls: | /singletons/ |
| [00:34:21] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | namespaces is how you breakdown packages/modules/... from classes from methods |
| [00:34:30] | awalls: | Oops wait, now I'm screwed up. |
| [00:34:43] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | a singleton is different again... |
| [00:34:55] | awalls: | Yes the cobwebs haven't cleared out. |
| [00:36:11] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | awalls: should we go into functional programming too? Would it help clear out those cobwebs.... |
| [00:36:37] | awalls: | My recommendation is to use the right tools for the job.... |
| [00:36:47] | awalls: | whatever that may be. |
| [00:38:32] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | oh, I agree there. I would not be using python of ruby to do really heavy Math. They are just too slow, in fact, wouldn't even use C# or Java... |
| [00:38:45] | awalls: | Sadly, the last programming language I was paid to use professionally was Ada |
| [00:39:00] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | would probably pick C or C++ (depending if I need OO techniques or not). |
| [00:39:14] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | or a functional language designed for Math. |
| [00:39:46] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | parsing text though, I would probably choose Python or Ruby over Perl now... |
| [00:40:09] | awalls: | Last time I wrote a parser, I used lex and yacc – made the job easy. |
| [00:41:16] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | awalls: depends on how complicated you want the parser, if you are parsing XML or CSV or anything ruby/perl/python... have nice parsing stuff already in it... |
| [00:41:38] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | and then you also have PCRE right there already. |
| [00:42:39] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | yeah, if I'm writing an actuall compiler I'll do it using lex and yacc and the like. |
| [00:42:57] | awalls: | Yeah, I had to write a specialized script interpreter. |
| [00:44:08] | awalls: | It was a fairly simply language, I used m4 to build up more complex expressions in the scripts themselves |
| [00:44:33] | awalls: | Oh, well way OT for MythTV-users.... |
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| [00:50:18] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | yeah, we've been having one of those offtopic kinds of days... |
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| [01:13:43] | markl_: | is there a quick way to nuke all of the recordings in the db? |
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| [03:55:06] | iamlindoro: | j-rod, Bah, just sent a message that referenced you and misspelled your name, apologies |
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| [04:22:26] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: any idea what this 'gorka' character is trying to do on mythtvtalk? |
| [04:22:55] | iamlindoro: | I have no idea, but I decided I didn't have enough patience to try to get a translation |
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| [04:24:12] | wagnerrp: | '40 hard drives full of high def content' |
| [04:24:15] | wagnerrp: | woah... |
| [04:25:02] | iamlindoro: | wow |
| [04:26:34] | wagnerrp: | apparently he filled them over firewire before his cableco started using 5c |
| [04:27:09] | iamlindoro: | must have never deleted anything |
| [04:27:23] | iamlindoro: | or used an endless supply of 20 GB drives |
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| [05:16:09] | beatbreaker: | Hiisty, i've got a dynamic DNS i want to use something liek www.yi.org to trace my IP for a DNS... dut they stopped accepting new members |
| [05:16:20] | beatbreaker: | ....sorry that was to everyone |
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| [05:17:10] | wagnerrp: | if you have a dynamic dns address, why would you need a yi.org membership? |
| [05:18:12] | beatbreaker: | ....my address keeps changing... so i need soethign like that to trace it and make a dns name for it |
| [05:18:19] | beatbreaker: | what do people here use for mythweb? |
| [05:18:24] | wagnerrp: | so you dont have one... you want one |
| [05:18:48] | beatbreaker: | I want one... i was going to use yi but they're not accepting members anymroe |
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| [05:19:06] | wagnerrp: | why not just register a proper hostname? |
| [05:19:14] | wagnerrp: | how often does your external IP actually change? |
| [05:19:48] | beatbreaker: | i want somethign quick, nasty and free just to do in the next 10 minutes |
| [05:20:01] | beatbreaker: | like i said i was going to use that other one but can't now |
| [05:20:03] | wagnerrp: | also, from the other channel, 0.23-fixes is available on subversion already |
| [05:20:22] | wagnerrp: | if you just need something quick, dont worry about the name |
| [05:20:25] | wagnerrp: | just use the IP directly |
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| [05:25:34] | beatbreaker: | wagnerrp, great. Well i've decided on dyndns i'll do that now. I odn't think i've got other stuff ready like part forwarding or whatever but it seems that there's not much info about that where i'm looking |
| [05:25:59] | wagnerrp: | why do you need a dns address? |
| [05:26:39] | beatbreaker: | ok well i'm going to wait for the next version of Ubuntu to come out and upgrade all my frontends, then upgrade the server to centos and have 0.23 on there |
| [05:26:40] | wagnerrp: | if this is a one time thing, just use the IP address |
| [05:27:05] | wagnerrp: | if this is something more permanent, shell out for a proper registered hostname |
| [05:27:13] | iamlindoro: | oof, centos |
| [05:27:21] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to use centos with mythtv |
| [05:27:33] | wagnerrp: | its too old, by intentional design |
| [05:27:34] | beatbreaker: | yeah, i don't think i've got my ports forwarded yet... i need my port 80 on 192.168.1.200 to be coming out of my public ip |
| [05:28:40] | wagnerrp: | the purpose of those dynamic dns services is that they allow you to change your address quickly and get it flushed from remote caches |
| [05:28:42] | beatbreaker: | yeah i know i'll be on my own by going centos but the server is to really teach me how to use redhat, myth is a bonus |
| [05:28:57] | wagnerrp: | my registrar supports TTLs as low as half an hour |
| [05:29:16] | wagnerrp: | beatbreaker: its not a lack of mythtv packages |
| [05:29:28] | beatbreaker: | it's a lack of support |
| [05:29:35] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that a number of dependencies of mythtv are too old on centos |
| [05:29:43] | beatbreaker: | i'm sure most you guys support mythbuntu the best |
| [05:29:50] | wagnerrp: | they use an old kernel, which means very limited support for modern hardware |
| [05:30:12] | wagnerrp: | they have an old version of python, meaning the python bindings, and a number of plugins which rely on then dont work |
| [05:30:29] | wagnerrp: | we dont support mythbuntu, the mythbuntu guys do |
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| [05:31:02] | beatbreaker: | yeah i understand that... i mean that if i had issues, it'll be easier to get help if i was on mythbuntu |
| [05:31:09] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: Capt'M runs centos, but isnt he still using 0.21 on his production systems? |
| [05:32:04] | beatbreaker: | i know updating somethign like Python and perl packages can be tricky |
| [05:32:20] | leprechau: | so...I just updated to 0.23-rc2 ... mythweb now tells me that videos storage group is required ... do iso/img dvd images work in .23 with mythvideo storage groups? |
| [05:32:31] | beatbreaker: | i want to get off SuSE and move to something more redhad like... i guess fedora in that case |
| [05:33:45] | leprechau: | the binary only distros are a pain in the butt |
| [05:34:15] | leprechau: | if you want something light and simple with great myth support look at archlinux |
| [05:34:16] | wagnerrp: | leprechau: no, not yet |
| [05:34:40] | beatbreaker: | i've used archlinux before, i like it, actually it's one of my desktops |
| [05:35:01] | leprechau: | wagnerrp, thanks...I'll just forget about videos in mythweb for now |
| [05:35:21] | wagnerrp: | beatbreaker: everyone is going to have their own preferred distro, and most will run mythtv equally fine |
| [05:35:24] | leprechau: | beatbreaker, same ... my desktop/latop/myth boxes are arch |
| [05:35:34] | beatbreaker: | but i want to become more familiar with redhat related systems... so that's why the change to cent/fedora |
| [05:35:42] | wagnerrp: | just understand that you really want to know what youre doing if youre going to run a modern version of mythtv on arch |
| [05:36:09] | wagnerrp: | RHEL is fine, fedora is fine |
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| [05:36:22] | beatbreaker: | haha i think i'll be ok, my knowledge of *nix is far better than my knowledge of networking |
| [05:36:42] | leprechau: | I just put together pkgbuilds for 0.23-rc2 on arch for mythtv/mythplugins/myththemes if anyones interested I can stick em on aur |
| [05:36:50] | wagnerrp: | but centos's behavior of sticking around with old versions of software for years for stability's sake doesnt bode well for mythtv |
| [05:38:02] | beatbreaker: | wagnerrp, i thought that centos mirrored centos as much as possible? so theyr'e actually versions behind in versions of pythin code etc..? |
| [05:38:20] | beatbreaker: | sorry centos mirrored redhat |
| [05:38:50] | wagnerrp: | centos takes one revision of redhat, and then sticks with that for several years |
| [05:38:54] | leprechau: | centos and redhat are getting further and further diverged all the time |
| [05:39:04] | wagnerrp: | backporting their own bugfixes and security patches |
| [05:39:24] | wagnerrp: | for the purposes of providing server operators with a long term stable platform |
| [05:40:11] | wagnerrp: | once they release 6.0, they will be up to date with redhat again |
| [05:40:21] | wagnerrp: | and then will stick with that version for another 2–3 years |
| [05:40:38] | leprechau: | thanks again...bedtime for me...0.23-rc2 looks good ... and arclight is really nice |
| [05:40:56] | wagnerrp: | that design practice works great for servers |
| [05:41:24] | wagnerrp: | but not so much for multimedia applications like MythTV, which want new hardware support and new features |
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| [05:45:05] | beatbreaker: | wagnerrp, i understand, thanks! so when is centos 6 coming :P It might be better to go fedora then... it'll be structured like redhat, but newer... i don't need to worry about hw support though so much because everything on there is old, the tv card is good but it's like the nova 500t or something |
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| [05:45:29] | wagnerrp: | beatbreaker: no clue, i dont use centos, or any RH based system for that matter |
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| [07:09:00] | TJourney: | Howdy, how are y'all doing |
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| [07:10:25] | TJourney: | I'm considering building a dvr using MythTV on Ubuntu, does anybody know of any good guides or sources to go to for advice and direction? Most that I come across are a tad outdated. |
| [07:10:45] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
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| [07:15:20] | wagnerrp: | assuming you crashed and didnt see the link... http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
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| [07:21:52] | ** wagnerrp gives up... ** | |
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| [07:29:09] | wagnerrp: | ugh... im going to have this song stuck in my head for days now |
| [07:30:01] | clever: | i better not ask |
| [07:30:21] | wagnerrp: | its nothing bad |
| [07:30:45] | clever: | but it might get stuck in mine next! |
| [07:30:55] | wagnerrp: | some sequence from one of those 70's synth rock bands |
| [07:31:09] | wagnerrp: | i heard something similar, that made me remember that sequence |
| [07:31:16] | wagnerrp: | but i dont remember enough of the song to figure out what it is |
| [07:31:31] | clever: | then i'm safe! |
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| [11:25:18] | xaxes: | heyhey.. how can I set auto-commercialskip? |
| [11:26:06] | mag0o: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detail . . . mercial_Skip |
| [11:27:49] | xaxes: | mag0o: Im able to set this by wathcing recording -> pressing 'm' and go through the menu to set it.. but it isnt persistent.. I have to do this every time I watch a recording |
| [11:33:29] | mag0o: | there is a frontend setting on that link |
| [11:34:20] | mag0o: | general playback part 2 according to the wiki, i don't know the menu count off hand to get there |
| [11:34:58] | mag0o: | setup > tv settings > playback |
| [11:36:13] | xaxes: | got it! thanks mag0o :) |
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| [11:36:40] | xaxes: | bye |
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| [11:37:23] | cleith: | Hello all, anyone around? |
| [11:37:34] | stuartm: | no |
| [11:37:59] | mag0o: | im asquare |
| [11:38:41] | cleith: | Is it possible to configure myth to set a wakeup (rtc) ahead of a recording but not actually shut down the machine? |
| [11:38:55] | mag0o: | oh yeah, wifey's dead laptop had a 1gb chip i stuck in the new revo! now loading myth, woohoo |
| [11:39:15] | mag0o: | it the machine isn't shut down, why does it need to be woke up? |
| [11:44:03] | cleith: | Well, we use the machine (myth backend and frontend) for lots of stuff: pictures, movies, browsing the web. Any we only ever suspend it, not shut it down. I was thinking that if myth writes a wakeup immediately when a recording is scheduled, but didn't shut down, then it wouldn't matter whether something like gnome-power-manager suspended the machine or the user suspended it at any time. If myth suspends the machine, I have to make s |
| [11:44:05] | cleith: | ure (a) it is OK to do so (I am aware of pre-shutdown check ability) and (b) a user hasn't already suspended the machine before myth can write the wakeup time. |
| [11:44:48] | mag0o: | ah |
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| [11:46:16] | cleith: | I have tried setting the idle time to something small and the shutdown command to /bin/true, but this doesn't seem to work. |
| [11:53:49] | mag0o: | I'll be of no use as i keep my backend on all the time, sorry |
| [11:56:43] | cleith: | np |
| [11:58:37] | Wiiilmaa: | Hello, i have some playback problems on my mythtv boxes. I'm using "Mythbuntu", Mythtv on minimal a xubuntu, Backend is a core 2 duo with an old nvidia graphics card and 4 WinTV Nova HD S2 used for recording and playback. Seperate Frontend is an AMD based barebone. |
| [12:02:51] | Wiiilmaa: | No problem with continuous playback on both frontends, but while editing on the separate Frontend (AMD Barebone) skipping one frame forward from frame x to frame y and one frame back shows frame x as position and frame y as picture, so i don't really know what picture really belongs to the frame. |
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| [12:19:01] | Wiiilmaa: | On the Frontend of the Backend everything has been O.K. until recently, when a crashing Frontend changed/deleted/corrupted parts of the configuration (At the next start the theme changed to a them i did not use before). Since then editing recordings became nearly impossible because of the skipping behaviour. In editing mode Skipping a step greater than 5 seceonds results displaying the destination frame for a split second before jumpin |
| [12:19:01] | Wiiilmaa: | g back to the frame where the skip started. So skipping through the whole file results in the display not moving except the short flickering of frames. Skipping 5 Seconds or less results in "random" frames being displayed, sometimes the frame displayed changes, sometimes it doesn't. Skipping single frames seems drag the position behind, the displayed framenumber is changed in accordance to the movement. The Picture is one movement behi |
| [12:19:02] | Wiiilmaa: | nd. if a skip a frame forward, the picture moves one frame forward. but changing the direction results in the picture changing the direction one step behind. 1-> 1, 2-> 2, 3-> 3, 2 -> 4, 1 -> 3, 0 -> 2, 1 -> 1, 2 -> 2... |
| [12:19:38] | Wiiilmaa: | What could be done to get it usable again? |
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| [12:38:34] | bjd: | good afternoon, just wondering if anyone has any ideas as to how i could automate `mythcommflag --video` after transferring a video? |
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| [13:13:41] | mag0o: | so, it took me just over two hours to unpack, install mythbuntu and test out my revo connected via hdmi with audio. works like a champ :) |
| [13:13:54] | mag0o: | vdpau and all |
| [13:14:53] | mag0o: | now i just have to wait on my optical audio switch + cables for optical out from my tv to the receiver since the receiver only has one optical in |
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| [13:27:14] | TheAsp: | go buy an hdmi switching receiver ;) |
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| [13:29:48] | mag0o: | hehe, $10 as opposed to $100's :) i was fortunate enough to be able to get the tv, revo and some cables...all in the same year |
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| [13:34:47] | TheAsp: | you'll probably find that the optical out of your tv is rather limited |
| [13:35:19] | mag0o: | it is, already discovered that via dish hdmi > tv > tv-optical > receiver |
| [13:35:22] | mag0o: | no dolby |
| [13:35:29] | TheAsp: | yeah |
| [13:35:31] | TheAsp: | suckith |
| [13:35:35] | mag0o: | yup |
| [13:35:48] | TheAsp: | i don't know why they wont put a freaking coax on it |
| [13:36:08] | mag0o: | that would be nice |
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| [14:24:04] | ThisOtherGuy: | hey All |
| [14:24:29] | ThisOtherGuy: | does anyone know if there's a way in mythweb to change the default columns on the Upcoming Recordings page? |
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| [14:36:01] | nichos: | hi all, im trying to do some trouble shooting on my mythtv. I'm running both the front end and backend on the same box. Mythfrontend is frozen with 100% cpu. I can't switch to a new vterm (it hangs there) but I can ssh |
| [14:36:11] | nichos: | should I check anything before I kill it via ssh? |
| [14:36:15] | nichos: | I was watching livetv |
| [14:39:09] | ThisOtherGuy: | you might want to check the IO to see if it's thrashing on some file |
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| [14:39:43] | nichos: | ThisOtherGuy: the drive is mostly idle |
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| [14:40:42] | ThisOtherGuy: | hmm – mythfrontend log? |
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| [14:41:17] | nichos: | oops, wrong window:) |
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| [15:33:19] | mag0o: | occasional prebuffering pauses causing playback to fail sometimes so far |
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| [15:34:03] | mag0o: | with 'custom' vdpau playback profiles listed here: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /278280.html |
| [15:34:36] | mag0o: | other than that, it's pretty nice, especially considering the size/price |
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| [15:45:33] | mag0o: | weird, so when the prebuffer pauses start, i can start iptraf on the backend to monitor the interface, and the prebuffers clear up |
| [15:48:59] | mag0o: | hmm, so, it's not actually running iptraf that's clearing up the prebuffer pauses |
| [15:49:13] | mag0o: | just using the ssh console on the backend clears up the pauses |
| [15:49:28] | mag0o: | approx 1 min apart |
| [15:57:42] | mag0o: | ooo, backend 100/full frontend 100/half |
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| [16:06:48] | christoph_: | I get image corruption for serveral tv channels and I don't get any EIT data (KNC one TV Station DVB-S, Ubuntu 9.10) – any idea what could be wrong? |
| [16:07:06] | christoph_: | other channels work well (but still no EIT data) |
| [16:07:28] | christoph_: | and there is no DECT phone in the room |
| [16:08:47] | christoph_: | and... |
| [16:08:56] | christoph_: | 2010-04–17 18:00:44.855 Expiring 6 MBytes for 13020 @ Sa. Apr 17 17:58:24 2010 => Unknown |
| [16:08:58] | christoph_: | 2010-04–17 18:04:38.461 DVBSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0), Warning: Can not count Uncorrected Blocks |
| [16:09:21] | christoph_: | tv card damaged? driver issue? |
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| [16:26:46] | mag0o: | forcing frontend to 100/full made it worse :) |
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| [16:31:17] | mag0o: | ...and now no prebuffer pauses... |
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| [16:36:51] | gbee: | christoph_: I had a DVB-S card which was unable to tune a particular frequency (channel) without severe signal errors where another card had no problems |
| [16:37:37] | wagnerrp: | ThisOtherGuy: you can change those columns by reprogramming mythweb |
| [16:37:37] | gbee: | it was a cheap Satelco piece of c**p |
| [16:37:48] | christoph_: | crap... "V4L/DVB: saa7146: IRQF_DISABLED causes only trouble" |
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| [16:45:40] | Brad-D: | hey guys, i recently had a hard drive pooch on me. Is there a way to automatically remove all the entries from the recordings database for files that don't exist anymore? |
| [16:47:34] | bjd: | not sure, but think myth_find_orphans.pl is what you want |
| [16:49:33] | Brad-D: | thanks bljd, i will check it out |
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| [17:00:51] | christoph_: | hmm no – this wouldn't explain why some channels working without any issues |
| [17:00:56] | christoph_: | +are |
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| [17:10:32] | pac0: | looking for drivers... http://www.sveon.com/fichaSTV22.html |
| [17:10:45] | pac0: | seems impossible |
| [17:12:16] | wagnerrp: | we dont do drivers, see #linuxtv and/or http://linuxtv.org/ |
| [17:12:30] | wagnerrp: | pac0: if that uses a well supported chipset, it may be trivial to add support for that device |
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| [17:18:45] | pac0: | thank you |
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| [17:18:57] | pac0: | i think is good product, with 2 tuners on usb |
| [17:18:59] | pac0: | :) |
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| [17:22:26] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you dont see any dual tuner sticks |
| [17:22:32] | wagnerrp: | s/any/many/ |
| [17:32:12] | pac0: | ein' |
| [17:34:13] | wagnerrp: | i feel so much better now that i know Udo is using 0.23... |
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| [17:47:35] | gbee: | maybe he'll find some more bugs |
| [17:48:14] | jarle: | gbee: you mean that the memory leak is not included in 0.23? :) |
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| [17:48:30] | wagnerrp: | jarle: we decided to remove that feature |
| [17:49:15] | jarle: | wagnerrp: 'bout time to sell some of my memory then... |
| [17:50:18] | gbee: | jarle: we hope not, more than one memory leak has been fixed, some serious, some not |
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| [18:54:41] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | wagnerrp: I wouldn't thought a USB stick could be dual tuner? |
| [18:55:22] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | same reason one can't run two webcam video feeds off the same USB hub simultaneously. |
| [18:55:38] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | Just not enough bandwidth. |
| [18:55:49] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | need them on seperate root hubs. |
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| [18:57:02] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | until they make USB3 ones that is. |
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| [19:26:45] | wagnerrp: | Cap_J_L_Picard: digital tuners and mpeg encoders use relatively little bandwidth |
| [19:26:50] | wagnerrp: | a couple MB/s maximum |
| [19:30:24] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | there is only so much compression one can have. |
| [19:30:56] | wagnerrp: | mpeg encoders only run to 12mbps, and are usually only 4–6mbps |
| [19:31:13] | wagnerrp: | digital tuners max out at 38mbps (for US digital cable) |
| [19:31:30] | wagnerrp: | compare that to the 480mbps theoretical for USB |
| [19:31:55] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | 480Mbps burst maximum... |
| [19:32:04] | wagnerrp: | 480mbps maximum |
| [19:32:05] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | that Burst is important... |
| [19:32:08] | wagnerrp: | nothing to do with burst |
| [19:32:19] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | USB can not maintain it... |
| [19:32:28] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | it can only do it in bursts... |
| [19:32:31] | wagnerrp: | simply because usb sucks |
| [19:32:36] | wagnerrp: | but usb is not burstable |
| [19:32:52] | ** TheAsp is about to burst ** | |
| [19:34:45] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | USB also has to share it across all devices on the bus... |
| [19:35:08] | wagnerrp: | sure, but unless youre using a hub, thats generally only two devices |
| [19:35:49] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | urm, most onboard motherboard is a hub per 4 ports... |
| [19:36:43] | wagnerrp: | regardless, there is plenty of bandwidth for several tuners over USB |
| [19:37:02] | justinh: | wth? V is on Sky Three NOW |
| [19:37:50] | justinh: | so I hit record, started watching it since the guide said it was the remake of the classic 1983 series.. thought NAH... but on playback... sure is the new one. Half an hour in. And with a mysterious 'free pass' DOG |
| [19:38:10] | Cap_J_L_Picard: | one USB root hub on laptops, powering the touchpad on the fourth... |
| [19:39:03] | justinh: | bah. ****ing evil teasing buggers. http://www1.sky.com/freepass/ .. your first hit is free. |
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| [19:59:30] | gbee: | damn, missed it |
| [20:00:18] | gbee: | well I'll catch the free ep of The Pacific I guess |
| [20:01:56] | gbee: | or I would except it conflicts with stuff I'd rather have |
| [20:03:15] | gbee: | this is where having a second backend comes in handy |
| [20:08:23] | justinh: | just makes my hatred for Sky deepen |
| [20:09:01] | justinh: | wouldn't care so much if you could really pick & choose the channels you wanted in packages without getting cruft.. and pay less |
| [20:09:27] | justinh: | I don't think even 5 premium shows are worth £25 a month |
| [20:09:45] | wagnerrp: | you must not get ESPN then |
| [20:10:29] | wagnerrp: | between the cable channels, and espn360.com, i probably pay over $15/mo |
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| [20:10:36] | wagnerrp: | and i rarely even use either |
| [20:11:34] | justinh: | there's only really 24 on Sky One, and now V.. so say 2 shows for £20 a month or whatever the package costs |
| [20:11:52] | justinh: | and IIRC the scifi channel is still only 4:3 here |
| [20:12:16] | gbee: | I'm not really interested in V tbh |
| [20:12:42] | gbee: | I'd have liked to see The Pacific, but I won't pay Sky a penny on Principle |
| [20:12:57] | ThisOtherGuy: | Hi all – can anyone help me with a mythweb question? |
| [20:13:18] | justinh: | ThisOtherGuy: ask & you shall see |
| [20:13:25] | gbee: | and yes, technically I do get Sky One via Virgin, but I'm not setup to record from the Virgin STB |
| [20:13:50] | ThisOtherGuy: | Is there any way to change the default columns on the Upcoming Recordings page? |
| [20:14:04] | justinh: | ThisOtherGuy: not without editing files there ain't AFAIK |
| [20:14:15] | ThisOtherGuy: | I'm ok with editing files |
| [20:14:19] | gbee: | I notice that Sky Three is showing a Dexter episode tomorrow, guess that's another show they poached from a Terrestrial channel |
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| [20:14:34] | wagnerrp: | ThisOtherGuy: pretty sure i mentioned you would have to patch mythweb to do that a while back |
| [20:14:50] | wagnerrp: | yeah, about four hours ago |
| [20:15:09] | ThisOtherGuy: | doh – lemme search – sorry |
| [20:15:28] | wagnerrp: | no reason to search |
| [20:15:36] | wagnerrp: | all i said was you have to reprogram mythweb |
| [20:16:33] | ThisOtherGuy: | any pointers on where to look? |
| [20:16:51] | wagnerrp: | do you know PHP? |
| [20:17:24] | ThisOtherGuy: | I'm not an expert but I'm ok |
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| [20:18:23] | ThisOtherGuy: | I think I found it: /mythplugins/mythweb/modules/tv/tmpl/default/upcoming.php |
| [20:18:32] | wagnerrp: | sounds about right |
| [20:18:42] | ThisOtherGuy: | k – I'll play thanks |
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| [20:28:05] | Elv13: | Hi, I have bought a tv@nawhere card using a saa7131 chip (I was thinking it would be a cx23881). The problem is, I already have a saa7134 based card. As those card have to be loaded with module parameter to work, how can I have two of these? |
| [20:28:12] | Elv13: | Does I really have to duplicate the kernel code? or is there a better way to match the card |
| [20:29:39] | ThisOtherGuy: | yup- that did it – thanks |
| [20:30:25] | gbee: | Elv13: the guys in #linuxtv might have a clue |
| [20:30:43] | Elv13: | I posted there too, but thanks anyway |
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| [20:32:35] | GNU\colossus: | hi there, people :) |
| [20:33:51] | justinh: | where's Guardian when you need him? |
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| [20:42:42] | justinh: | OMG. wrongness doesn't even get a look in http://mythtv.org/wiki/Mythadder.py |
| [20:43:08] | wagnerrp: | well the concept is sensible |
| [20:43:19] | wagnerrp: | im rewriting it to use the bindings, rather than SQL |
| [20:44:10] | justinh: | surely better to mount to symlinked dirs instead I'd have thought, then browse as files? |
| [20:44:26] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [20:44:43] | GNU\colossus: | which distro would you recommend to run mythtv (front- and backend) on? are mythbuntu and mythdora any good? |
| [20:44:50] | wagnerrp: | its not for browse mode, its for full metadata mode |
| [20:45:02] | justinh: | without messing around with the database I mean. inserting stuff & pulling it out... it's just... eew |
| [20:45:21] | wagnerrp: | right, which is why im working to make it use the bindings, rather than raw SQL |
| [20:45:37] | justinh: | GNU\colossus: nobody will recommend a distro here. use whatever you feel comfortable using |
| [20:46:07] | justinh: | wagnerrp: still though.. seems a bit messy |
| [20:46:21] | justinh: | GNU\colossus: everybody making mythtv based distros strives to be 'good' |
| [20:46:36] | justinh: | and FWIW you forgot about LinHES |
| [20:46:44] | gbee: | GNU\colossus: just be sensible, CentOS etc aren't a good choice for a media centre |
| [20:47:01] | wagnerrp: | justinh: on second thought... im wondering if this would be a good opportunity to implement Capt'Ms xml format |
| [20:47:37] | justinh: | wagnerrp: could be. be even better (okay I admit but a cow to actually *do* ) to extend mythvideo to do this sort of thing properly |
| [20:47:46] | justinh: | mythvideo/storagegroups |
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| [20:48:00] | wagnerrp: | justinh: waiting on MythFileSystemWatcher for that |
| [20:48:05] | justinh: | heh |
| [20:48:07] | gbee: | justinh: that's where the filesystemwatcher stuff comes in |
| [20:48:43] | justinh: | it's not that I'm against any of these cool tricks.. far from it.. it's just I see the stuff about mangling the db & think of poor users whose db gets wrecked |
| [20:49:06] | wagnerrp: | well its only adding and removing from videometadata |
| [20:49:14] | wagnerrp: | worst case, you flush the table and rescan |
| [20:49:52] | justinh: | in this case yeah |
| [20:50:12] | justinh: | but there's a worrying trend for scripts to do this kind of thing |
| [20:50:32] | wagnerrp: | which is why the bindings exist |
| [20:50:51] | wagnerrp: | at the very least, it sanitizes the database input, and makes sure you dont screw anything up too bad |
| [20:51:03] | wagnerrp: | of course there is plenty you can do wrong just by adding and deleting entries |
| [20:51:05] | justinh: | imagine the kind of mess somebody'd end up with if mythicallibrarian goes pear shapes... |
| [20:51:41] | justinh: | wagnerrp: well, good on yer for making the script do it better anyway. |
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| [20:56:48] | bjd: | did that EIT scanning issue that prevented mythwelcome from shutting down still exist? |
| [20:56:54] | bjd: | s/did/does |
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| [20:58:27] | wagnerrp: | mythwelcome doesnt shut down |
| [20:58:43] | wagnerrp: | mythwelcome simply disconnects from the backend |
| [20:58:50] | wagnerrp: | allowing the backend to shut down on its own |
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| [21:00:20] | gbee: | bjd: no-one has submitted a patch to stop EIT gathering and therefore allow the backend to shutdown |
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| [21:45:43] | bjd: | ok, ta gbee |
| [21:47:40] | npm: | is there a way to get closed captioning from /dev/video* written to a file w/ a timestamp of when the caption happened (aka something myth could do in background, then trigger recording on closed captioned keyword) |
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| [21:49:35] | ** npm finds http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/ . . . ced-vbi.xml1 ** | |
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| [21:54:07] | gbee: | possibly, although not many people are going to want to work on it, especially not for analogue |
| [21:54:20] | gbee: | and it's only going to work for a single channel at a time |
| [21:54:41] | gbee: | so the use cases are slim to non-existant |
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| [22:00:04] | npm: | finds http://ivtvdriver.org/pipermail/ivtv-users/20 . . . /009342.html |
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| [22:01:26] | npm: | it's better to record a stream of text out of a single channel and start recording video when it's time |
| [22:01:57] | npm: | as opposed to record video all the time and set markers based on the captions or caption + timing |
| [22:02:20] | npm: | same idea for digital ... doesn't need to be tied to analog |
| [22:03:35] | gbee: | depends on country, text captions are AFAIK only used in the US with digital, elsewhere it's image based |
| [22:06:52] | npm: | yep i'm looking @ http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/365423 which suggests http://ccextractor.sourceforge.net./ |
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| [22:20:21] | crankharder: | is it possible to install mythserver in a KVM, that is, without X? |
| [22:20:29] | crankharder: | or do I have to have X in order to run mythtv-setup? |
| [22:20:49] | [R]: | um... the point of using virtualization is... |
| [22:21:16] | kormoc: | crankharder: you can use ssh to forward x to another box |
| [22:21:44] | crankharder: | hrm, good idea, thanx |
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| [22:28:47] | wagnerrp: | [R]++ |
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| [22:29:37] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i think i'm gonna upgrade to 23 |
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| [23:22:24] | bmidgley1: | scte65scan crashes when I tell it to scan qam256, argh |
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