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| [00:11:43] | ThisOtherGuy: | abqjp: I'm on 24052 and I used: channel-thread-0.23-fixes-24052.patch |
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| [00:13:16] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo, ping |
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| [01:00:12] | dibbz: | 010-04–15 20:59:08 ERROR: pid 8962: read_kind_from_backend: 1 th kind E does not match with master or majority connection kind C |
| [01:00:12] | dibbz: | 2010-04–15 20:59:08 ERROR: pid 8962: kind mismatch among backends. Possible last query was: "drop database rpp;" kind details are: 0[C] 1[E] |
| [01:00:19] | dibbz: | oops hm |
| [01:00:26] | dibbz: | soz |
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| [01:26:05] | i_is_two: | so i just upgraded to 0.23 rc2 and now im getting weird things like livetv looping |
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| [01:26:28] | i_is_two: | it just looped for about 10min between the end of one commercial and the beginning of the other |
| [01:26:46] | iamlindoro: | where looped == ? |
| [01:28:27] | i_is_two: | i am in the process of uploading a video of it to youtube i will provide the link in a sec |
| [01:28:41] | iamlindoro: | Can't you just tell us what you're seeing? |
| [01:28:47] | iamlindoro: | I mean, the visual aid is fine too, but... |
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| [01:30:04] | i_is_two: | absolutely |
| [01:30:19] | i_is_two: | i actually wasnt paying attention until i started hearing the same thing repeat |
| [01:30:33] | iamlindoro: | And you have seen this issue how many times? |
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| [01:31:31] | i_is_two: | i was watching livetv, it got to comm break and then started playing one commercial, would glitch (both audio and video) then go to the middle of the previous commercial, then glitch again and back to the first one. i left it and kept watching for a few minutes |
| [01:31:56] | i_is_two: | one of the sections of commercials got cut down to the point it was looping only half of one commercial |
| [01:31:56] | iamlindoro: | what do the frontend and backend logs say? |
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| [01:32:02] | sphery: | sounds like a signal issue causing bad reception causing corrupt stream |
| [01:32:07] | i_is_two: | and i only just upgraded to 0.23-rc2 maybe like 2hrs ago |
| [01:32:10] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like broadcaster error to me |
| [01:32:14] | sphery: | yeah |
| [01:32:32] | i_is_two: | i had my uncle check it at his house, channel is fine, i tried it on my other tuner, worked ok |
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| [01:32:55] | iamlindoro: | when you upgraded to .23, is that the one and only package you upgraded, or did you do a whole distro upgrade? |
| [01:33:03] | i_is_two: | seems like youtube is going to take forever to get this thing uploaded so let me see if i can obtain logs.. |
| [01:33:12] | i_is_two: | just upgraded myth |
| [01:33:13] | iamlindoro: | and dmesg output, please |
| [01:33:34] | i_is_two: | my backend and frontend are both slack, frontend runs stock kernel, backend runs 2.6.33 |
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| [01:35:14] | sphery: | i_is_two: can still be signal issue if something caused signal at your house to "blip" |
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| [01:35:38] | iamlindoro: | (and can still be a broadcaster issue if you and the uncle are on different nodes) |
| [01:35:44] | sphery: | or could even be other corruption occurring after the signal |
| [01:36:01] | sphery: | anything from memory corruption to corruption due to I/O wait issues |
| [01:36:24] | i_is_two: | maybe thats it then because im just scrolled up in the frontend output and im flooded with a bunch of msgs such as: audio 1020ms bhind video buy already 180 video frams queued |
| [01:36:30] | i_is_two: | i* |
| [01:36:47] | i_is_two: | wow im full of typos on that line.. heh |
| [01:36:49] | iamlindoro: | Are you running with -v playback? |
| [01:37:10] | iamlindoro: | unless you have reason to, I'd use default verbosity |
| [01:38:05] | i_is_two: | no.. i my frontend is actually set up to just start myth at boot and no specific log for it but i usually end up closing it and reopening with just a straight 'mythfrontend' in the terminal |
| [01:41:08] | mag0o: | anyone with a revo 1600 (or just good knowledge) what's the round port on the back, below the vga? |
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| [01:43:59] | iamlindoro: | mag0o, power |
| [01:44:28] | mag0o: | oh, duh |
| [01:44:51] | mag0o: | i was lookin at pics trying to figure it out. the newegg pic has an adapter with a plug that doesn't look like that |
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| [01:48:02] | i_is_two: | ok so since i didnt use the -l and dont know if or where a default log is, i just pasted the output from the frontend and backend |
| [01:48:36] | i_is_two: | frontend is http://pastebin.ca/1861153 and backend is http://pastebin.ca/1861157 |
| [01:49:09] | i_is_two: | and do you want a dmesg from both the backend and frontend? i checked the backend dmesg and the last like 90 lines are all referring to my imon vfd |
| [01:49:44] | i_is_two: | wow this video is less than 2min long and its only at 24% uploaded to youtube |
| [01:51:07] | iamlindoro: | i_is_two, The only obvious things there are stream errors, likely due to signal corruption |
| [01:51:23] | iamlindoro: | and possibly some X/Video driver issues too |
| [01:51:51] | i_is_two: | well thats a relief.. not much i can do about either unfortunately |
| [01:52:24] | leprechau: | so...I have a frontend netbox (intel atom/nvidia ion) that does strange things when I try to play a dvd iso or img file ... it prompts me about bookmarks then returns right back to the media screen without playing the file |
| [01:52:31] | i_is_two: | my frontend uses a piece of crap old ati card that they dont have new drivers for, and i already have a drop amp on my cable.. :/ |
| [01:52:41] | leprechau: | everything is associated with the 'Internal' player .... anyone have any thoughts? |
| [01:53:05] | iamlindoro: | leprechau, Are you using Storage groups for video? |
| [01:53:11] | leprechau: | iamlindoro, yes |
| [01:53:16] | i_is_two: | thanks for the help iamlindoro, much appreciated :) |
| [01:53:31] | iamlindoro: | leprechau, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvideo#Disadvantages |
| [01:53:38] | iamlindoro: | i_is_two, np, good luck |
| [01:53:42] | i_is_two: | i know how to use this stuff but i dont know jack about code heh |
| [01:53:48] | leprechau: | iamlindoro, reading... |
| [01:55:31] | i_is_two: | hmm thats some neat info.. glad my iso's arent in a storage group hehe i bet thats why they didnt play before.. |
| [01:55:48] | leprechau: | iamlindoro, gotcha ... so basically it's better to just forget about storage groups for now if you are comfortable with nfs mounts and the likes...correct? |
| [01:56:09] | leprechau: | I only set them up because it prompted me to when I updated to .22-fixes ;p |
| [01:56:15] | leprechau: | thank you |
| [01:56:26] | iamlindoro: | leprechau, I wouldn't say so, SGs offer significant advantage-- but if all you have is ISOs, then that may be your only option |
| [01:56:40] | leprechau: | well I only have a few |
| [01:56:43] | iamlindoro: | leprechau, Myth itself doesn't prompt to set up SGs for video-- sounds like a packager thing? |
| [01:57:09] | leprechau: | well ... when I ran though mythtv-setup it had a section for it so I filled it in |
| [01:57:37] | iamlindoro: | leprechau, IF you only have a few, the simple answer (depending on how married you are to menus and extras) may be to remux them to MKV or any other container |
| [01:58:02] | iamlindoro: | Otherwise, you can have a NFS mount for just the ISOs and set the other stuff up in an SG, or any combination you like |
| [01:58:05] | leprechau: | actually 99.9% of my stuff are x264/mkv but the wife's workout videos with all the circuits and crap I kept as images |
| [01:59:25] | i_is_two: | i have some mkv files that i downloaded (fansubs) and they dont play, weird thing is however, i downloaded 2 fansub series at the same time both are .mkv files |
| [01:59:32] | i_is_two: | one series works in mythtv, the other doesnt |
| [01:59:34] | iamlindoro: | K, so you can either drop the SGs and go back to local storage, or do both SGs and NFS or Samba |
| [01:59:50] | iamlindoro: | i_is_two, we can't provide you with any help for stolen material |
| [02:00:08] | i_is_two: | its not stolen, its fansubs which are legal in my country |
| [02:00:25] | iamlindoro: | They're not legal in this channel, or the country in which myth lives |
| [02:00:39] | iamlindoro: | and I promise you downloading "fansubs" isn't legal in Canada either |
| [02:00:58] | iamlindoro: | So please let it go, not interested in expanding the ban list tonight |
| [02:01:31] | i_is_two: | whether you can help or not however, i just want to say that i find it weird that if i watch series A i have no issues, if i try to watch any one episode of series B, not only does it not play but it stops every other video from playing |
| [02:01:31] | i_is_two: | until i restart mythfrontend |
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| [02:03:29] | i_is_3: | windows sucks.. i keep losing connection |
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| [02:03:49] | leprechau: | iamlindoro, thanks ... one last question if you don't mind ... how do I delete the SGs ... when I just delete out the text to blank and hit okay it makes it / |
| [02:04:20] | iamlindoro: | leprechau, highlight the entry and press D |
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| [02:04:39] | leprechau: | iamlindoro, lol thanks that was easy ;p |
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| [02:07:36] | i_is_two: | so is there a list of files that arent compatible with the internal player? |
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| [02:14:41] | Jester05: | hey guys.. which OS would you suggest for a mythtv MBE and multiple FE's that will be going to a non-linux user |
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| [02:15:21] | Jester05: | building a HTPC setup for a friend.. he's not linux savvy and I won't be able to do much to help him so I'd like to make it completely stand alone |
| [02:15:44] | i_is_cat: | slackware |
| [02:15:54] | Jester05: | I 'may' be able to set it up with ssh but that'd be the only way to help him out |
| [02:16:04] | Jester05: | thats what I was thinking too.. that or arch.. :-\ |
| [02:16:11] | leprechau: | Jester05, if he's not linux friendly ... mythbuntu is friendly |
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| [02:16:19] | leprechau: | archlinux is great if you like linux |
| [02:16:30] | leprechau: | all the base mythtv stuff is based on .22-fixes now |
| [02:16:35] | leprechau: | and soon .23-fixes |
| [02:16:36] | i_is_cat: | aside from the odd glitch in mythtv itself and a couple times a kernel oops on an older kernel, my slacware systems are rock solid |
| [02:16:36] | Jester05: | he won't be operating it as a PC |
| [02:16:42] | Jester05: | it'll be pure MythTV |
| [02:16:51] | Jester05: | so OS doesn't matter in terms of friendliness |
| [02:16:59] | Jester05: | I want something rock hard stable |
| [02:17:03] | i_is_cat: | and it took all of 10min to get it setup to start everything it needs on boot |
| [02:17:05] | leprechau: | go arch then |
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| [02:17:23] | leprechau: | or check out linhes |
| [02:17:28] | Jester05: | hmm |
| [02:17:31] | leprechau: | it's arch based and tuned to myth |
| [02:17:44] | Jester05: | really.. I didn't know such a thing existed |
| [02:17:47] | Jester05: | I'll check that out |
| [02:18:04] | Jester05: | if nothing else I could do slack.. haven't used slack since slack 11 tho .. hated 12.0 |
| [02:18:04] | leprechau: | http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LinHES |
| [02:18:44] | i_is_cat: | slack 13 works great |
| [02:19:43] | i_is_cat: | i have had nothing but bad luck with distros that are meant to be "the whole package" |
| [02:20:05] | Jester05: | yeah |
| [02:20:07] | Jester05: | same.. |
| [02:20:07] | i_is_cat: | mythdora, mythbuntu, linuxmce, all crap imo |
| [02:20:22] | i_is_cat: | never heard of the one leprechau recommended so i cant say one way or the other |
| [02:20:22] | Jester05: | *buntu seems to eat memory like none other |
| [02:20:40] | Jester05: | loads up cache and seems not to dump it fast enough for most applications |
| [02:21:11] | wagnerrp: | that sounds like duties that are up to the kernel, not the distro |
| [02:21:35] | i_is_cat: | to me, ubuntu seems more like the type of thing you would give your idiot sister when she brings her windows box back to you for the 923rd time full of viruses and nothing more.. but thats opinion |
| [02:21:37] | Jester05: | possibly.. I just really seem to notice it happening w/ ubuntu/mythbuntu |
| [02:21:43] | Jester05: | arch has no issues |
| [02:21:46] | kormoc: | anyone using a mceusb blaster with a directtv hd receiver? |
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| [02:22:14] | wagnerrp: | Jester05: its more likely ubuntu is just loading a lot more background daemons by default than arch |
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| [02:22:33] | i_is_cat: | kormoc, no.. i do have an mceusb blaster but not a directtv box at all.. |
| [02:22:42] | Jester05: | kormoc, tried it b4.. it really depends on the specific receiver.. may have to create your own custom channel table |
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| [02:23:31] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, I know thats what it is.. I know I could rectify it too.. we're just talking out-of-box performance. Tho you are correct |
| [02:25:54] | Jester05: | I really should clean up mythbuntu a bit and see if I can't improve its performance |
| [02:26:04] | Jester05: | tho ultimately I just wonder if I'm not requesting too much from an old box |
| [02:27:05] | Jester05: | I have a P4 2.8ghz running MBE/ main FE, a few other clients for various things, multiple smb's of various permission levels & sshfs |
| [02:27:07] | i_is_cat: | if you ask me, if you're giving this to someone who knows nothing about linux then really it wont matter which distro, you just have to configure it properly for the users needs |
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| [02:27:28] | i_is_cat: | i would choose the one most familiar to you |
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| [02:28:27] | Jester05: | yeah true.. honestly I'm familiar with about anything.. started on FC5, then went to slackware, then arch.. used ubuntu on laptops here and there, etc |
| [02:28:42] | Jester05: | I can stumble my way thru anything ;0 |
| [02:28:43] | Jester05: | ;) |
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| [02:29:12] | i_is_cat: | if i was setting a box up for someone like my sister i would do exactly what i have now, because if it screws up while i'm away its set up to press a button to reboot and its back to normal again |
| [02:29:40] | i_is_cat: | nothing at all has seriously gone wrong with my myth stuff unless i touch it while i'm trying different software or installing a new kernel etc |
| [02:30:14] | Jester05: | yeah |
| [02:30:29] | Jester05: | any of you use ITX's for frontends? |
| [02:30:35] | i_is_cat: | i wish |
| [02:30:40] | Jester05: | i've been thinking about that for my own use |
| [02:30:46] | i_is_cat: | i've been eyeballing itx for like 9yrs or something lol |
| [02:31:14] | Jester05: | currently I have the MBE and FE on the same box.. I hate the box I'm using for MBE and HATE having the two combo'd .. other than the FE box is always on then ;) .. no start up delay |
| [02:31:16] | i_is_cat: | maybe once i finish school and get a decent paying job ill be able to buy some.. |
| [02:31:32] | Jester05: | yeah.. they're crazy cheap right now tho |
| [02:31:50] | Jester05: | newegg has some w/ cpu for <$100 |
| [02:31:50] | i_is_cat: | my frontend is a pos p4 1.8ghz with an old agp ati 9250 and an 80gb hdd its on 24/7 lol |
| [02:32:04] | Jester05: | lol |
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| [02:32:15] | Jester05: | P4's arent exactly good on power ;) |
| [02:32:24] | wagnerrp: | s/on power// |
| [02:32:34] | i_is_cat: | all my media is nfs'd from the backend which isnt a great machine but its enough.. |
| [02:32:49] | wagnerrp: | why nfs and not storage groups? |
| [02:33:15] | Jester05: | my MBE (& living room FE) is P4 2.8ghz, 2gig ram, 500g for OS and recording, 1T for movies/music/NFS |
| [02:33:17] | markl_: | i use nfs for videos/music and iscsi for tv |
| [02:33:28] | Wicked: | i just moved all my media to the backend...so now the backend is serving all my media out to the fe's |
| [02:33:30] | markl_: | i designed the layout in the 0.19 days |
| [02:33:34] | Wicked: | working great! :) |
| [02:33:39] | i_is_cat: | i had some issues with storage groups when i first started using mythtv so i just decided not to |
| [02:33:43] | wagnerrp: | why iscsi? |
| [02:33:50] | i_is_cat: | markl_, how do you find the iscsi? |
| [02:34:04] | i_is_cat: | my uncle is interested in setting up an iscsi nas |
| [02:34:06] | Jester05: | bedroom FE (periodic slave BE) is a P4 2.4ghz 1.5g ram, fx6200 .. DELL slim case |
| [02:34:21] | wagnerrp: | i_is_cat: what do you mean how do you find it? |
| [02:34:54] | wagnerrp: | when you use iscsi, it is just like mounting a local hard drive |
| [02:34:55] | i_is_cat: | how do i find what? everything is found np |
| [02:34:56] | markl_: | wagnerrp: two reasons, nfs and mythtv recordings just didn't mix well in one of the versions, and i wanted to play with iscsi |
| [02:35:05] | i_is_cat: | altho the video scan is dirt slow |
| [02:35:06] | markl_: | moving to iscsi made it work a lot better |
| [02:35:26] | markl_: | i_is_cat: pretty much every linux version has an iscsi "client" |
| [02:35:39] | wagnerrp: | there is no sharing with iscsi, unless your filesystem supports multiple masters |
| [02:35:50] | markl_: | and to do the server part you can either install ietd or maybe try a distro like openfiler |
| [02:36:10] | Jester05: | anyone know of any companies hiring that I'd be able to put all of this kind of knowledge to use? |
| [02:36:27] | Jester05: | I'm a recent EE grad and am willing to relocate anywhere in the US and prob the world |
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| [02:37:59] | markl_: | Jester05: there is definitely an opportunity for you somewhere. i have found a lot of work from linux users group jobs mailing lists |
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| [02:38:33] | Jester05: | markl_, how do I go about getting involved in this? |
| [02:38:49] | markl_: | what do you mean by "this" |
| [02:39:15] | Jester05: | the jobs mailing lists |
| [02:39:28] | markl_: | google, your local linux users' group |
| [02:39:46] | markl_: | worst case, maybe an unpaid internship somewhere? |
| [02:39:57] | Jester05: | well theres also part of the kicker.. I really want to relocate but I don't know where.. pretty much anywhere mountainous |
| [02:40:24] | markl_: | make sure you don't buy a house or anything then :) |
| [02:40:45] | Jester05: | lol |
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| [02:50:41] | i_is_two: | whats wrong with mountains? |
| [02:51:13] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to buy a house if youre planning on moving |
| [02:58:03] | Jester05: | only problem is I need to find a job to give me a place to move to |
| [02:58:38] | Jester05: | I went back to the firm I worked at in college and they're offering me what would be approx $60k / yr to stay there but I don't necessarily want to stay in the building design industry |
| [02:58:53] | Jester05: | I would like to do more higher end computing work |
| [02:58:58] | i_is_two: | well dont come to alberta.. even if you find a job its not worth moving here |
| [02:59:02] | i_is_two: | same with ontario |
| [02:59:11] | Jester05: | I had an interview for a gig in a super computing lab but it'll be a month b4 i hear anything on that |
| [02:59:26] | Jester05: | why do you say that? |
| [03:00:02] | i_is_two: | because ontario is gross and weird and alberta isnt a whole lot better lol |
| [03:00:28] | i_is_two: | i moved to ontario for a couple years and i hated it so much |
| [03:00:46] | Jester05: | ohh lol |
| [03:00:53] | i_is_two: | and ive probably been in alberta too long to see anything good about it |
| [03:01:05] | Jester05: | well I'm currently living in Ohio .. been here all my life and HATE IT! |
| [03:01:42] | Jester05: | I've been fishing up on Lake Saint Claire out of Mitchell's Bay |
| [03:02:41] | i_is_two: | everyone i know wants to move to BC |
| [03:02:52] | i_is_two: | im just about ready to hop in the boat myself |
| [03:03:00] | Jester05: | oh yeah.. its BEAUTIFUL |
| [03:03:17] | Jester05: | oh really what lake are you hitting? |
| [03:03:30] | i_is_two: | sure is but that doesnt mean too much.. ontario is beautiful too lol |
| [03:03:32] | i_is_two: | i dont fish |
| [03:04:06] | Jester05: | ohh |
| [03:04:40] | i_is_two: | bc just seems to "feel" nicer thats the best i can explain i guess.. when i was in ont, it seemed like literally everyone was on drugs |
| [03:04:47] | i_is_two: | and i'm not talking like a joint or whatever |
| [03:05:05] | i_is_two: | i mean like "hey lets pop pills and vegetate on a chair for 3 days!" kind of drugs |
| [03:06:05] | i_is_two: | not to mention they still have bagged milk.. seriously.. wtf is with bagged milk? |
| [03:07:06] | Jester05: | bagged milk? |
| [03:08:17] | i_is_two: | ya |
| [03:08:40] | i_is_two: | it used to be normal here too up until like.. 1987 |
| [03:10:33] | GreyFoxx: | Heh I still buy Bagged Milk :) |
| [03:11:01] | i_is_two: | :| |
| [03:11:12] | i_is_two: | it creeps me out |
| [03:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | *shrug* |
| [03:12:00] | kormoc: | nothing wrong with bagged milk! |
| [03:12:11] | wagnerrp: | except, its in a bag |
| [03:12:22] | kormoc: | cartons are lined with wax/plastic, same thing, just thinner |
| [03:12:25] | GreyFoxx: | Only time we have it in aCarton is of my wife buys it :) |
| [03:12:30] | wagnerrp: | and shapely |
| [03:12:35] | kormoc: | and I bet you guys get creeped out over shell-less eggs too |
| [03:12:38] | kormoc: | city folks |
| [03:12:40] | ** kormoc shakes his head ** | |
| [03:12:41] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [03:12:44] | wagnerrp: | the carton makes it easy to pour |
| [03:12:47] | i_is_two: | there is absolutely nothing wrong with bagged milk |
| [03:12:53] | wagnerrp: | the carton makes it easy to store in the fridge |
| [03:12:54] | i_is_two: | but its just one of those things y'know |
| [03:12:54] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: you put the milk in a pitcher |
| [03:13:01] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Everyone loves Egg sacs! |
| [03:13:04] | wagnerrp: | well i suppose that works just fine |
| [03:13:05] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: milk bags are cheaper |
| [03:13:25] | GreyFoxx: | The bag+milk goes into a plastic pitcer with the edge f the bag snipped for pouring |
| [03:13:29] | kormoc: | yup |
| [03:13:46] | wagnerrp: | ok, ive got no problem with that then |
| [03:13:46] | i_is_two: | sweet storage groups work with symbolic links |
| [03:13:58] | i_is_two: | looks like i'll switch over my nfs for all but the iso dir now |
| [03:14:05] | wagnerrp: | im just imagining trying to store some amorphous blob of milk on the shelf |
| [03:14:35] | GreyFoxx: | wag: Normally they come in packs of 3 bags we just keep it on one of the shelves :) |
| [03:14:55] | GreyFoxx: | though seriously you can store a lot more when it's not in a "hard" container |
| [03:15:09] | i_is_two: | thats another thing... |
| [03:15:14] | i_is_two: | 4L in 3 bags? |
| [03:15:17] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [03:15:30] | wagnerrp: | and the three bags takes a whole shelf? |
| [03:15:34] | kormoc: | our local farm shaved off $0.50 for getting bags |
| [03:15:43] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: you have drawers in your fridge, no? |
| [03:15:52] | GreyFoxx: | Wag: No, we just keep the bags and juice packs on asingle shelf :) |
| [03:15:54] | wagnerrp: | and theyre filled with other stuff |
| [03:15:55] | i_is_two: | why 3?? lol or why 4L? seems like they should either put 1L per bag or make it 3L altogether if you ask me |
| [03:16:23] | ** wagnerrp just finds the gallon jugs so much easier ** | |
| [03:16:36] | i_is_two: | as do i |
| [03:16:59] | i_is_two: | i also feel like they're cleaner, whether they are or not doesnt matter because its just a feeling |
| [03:17:16] | GreyFoxx: | Baged milk is easier for kids to handle (less weight per full carton, less work to open, easier for smaller hands. Cheaper, easier to store |
| [03:17:47] | wagnerrp: | bah... i had no problem with that gallon jug as a kid |
| [03:17:49] | i_is_two: | any container of milk that i see in my fridge without a lid will not be drunk by me |
| [03:17:51] | GreyFoxx: | But in the end, I don't make any profit if you buy it bagged so buy all the cartons you want :) |
| [03:18:09] | wagnerrp: | jug != carton |
| [03:18:35] | wagnerrp: | we dont have paper cartons around here either |
| [03:19:00] | i_is_two: | thats probably for the best really.. although they're recycling the paper milk cartons in my province now |
| [03:19:05] | i_is_two: | but that also means paying a deposit for them |
| [03:19:35] | ** wagnerrp doesnt understand the purpose of deposits for recycling ** | |
| [03:20:17] | i_is_two: | its basically just an incentive to recycle |
| [03:20:32] | wagnerrp: | you know whats a good incentive to recycle? weekly pickup |
| [03:20:39] | wagnerrp: | EVERYONE in my area recycles |
| [03:20:44] | wagnerrp: | not because they get anything out of it |
| [03:20:48] | wagnerrp: | just because its so easy to do |
| [03:20:50] | i_is_two: | didnt work here |
| [03:20:57] | i_is_two: | they tried it and it failed miserably |
| [03:21:17] | i_is_two: | people like the idea of bringing in their carhole full of beer bottles and getting $400 back |
| [03:21:41] | GreyFoxx: | we have weekly during spring and summer, biweekly during winter for the organics+plastics |
| [03:21:44] | wagnerrp: | nevermind the fact that that amounts to like $5K in beer |
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| [03:22:04] | wagnerrp: | probably more like $10K |
| [03:22:15] | i_is_two: | people like beer |
| [03:22:27] | i_is_two: | and bringing bottles back is a pain in the ass so most people store them until theres no more room |
| [03:22:45] | i_is_two: | my sister gives hers to the dumpster diving bums |
| [03:22:49] | wagnerrp: | its not like theyre saving any money that way |
| [03:22:50] | kormoc: | get rid of the deposit and have fines if they don't recycle, done |
| [03:23:04] | wagnerrp: | considering they just end up spending more initially for the beer |
| [03:23:08] | i_is_two: | lol that wouldnt go over well here at all.. |
| [03:23:23] | wagnerrp: | the deposit system is retarded, plain and simple |
| [03:23:29] | kormoc: | f'em |
| [03:23:42] | i_is_two: | im used to it and so is everyone else, i dont think it will change anytime soon |
| [03:23:51] | i_is_two: | especially considering the deposit just went up to 10c |
| [03:23:55] | i_is_two: | now THATS where you cash in |
| [03:23:56] | wagnerrp: | and people why like it have no vision past their own two feet |
| [03:24:01] | wagnerrp: | s/why/who/ |
| [03:24:12] | i_is_two: | storing your bottles for years you only paid 5c dep on and bringing them in when they're 10c each you doubled your money |
| [03:24:38] | wagnerrp: | do you have to count them in front of someone? |
| [03:24:42] | kormoc: | I doubt your basement holds a month of salary... |
| [03:24:46] | i_is_two: | no |
| [03:24:46] | wagnerrp: | do they just weight your sack? |
| [03:24:50] | wagnerrp: | is there some counting machine? |
| [03:25:01] | kormoc: | lead bottles! |
| [03:25:03] | i_is_two: | rip a bag open in into a big sink and the sorter counts them |
| [03:25:18] | wagnerrp: | thats the other thing, just imagine how much time you are wasting doing this |
| [03:25:21] | i_is_two: | depends where you go really.. each bottle depot is different |
| [03:25:34] | i_is_two: | some of them will rip you off if you dont take your caps off etc. |
| [03:25:56] | wagnerrp: | i have two garbage cans, one goes into the recycling, one in the garbage |
| [03:26:13] | wagnerrp: | it takes me maybe 2 additional minutes per week to recycle |
| [03:26:25] | kormoc: | and I get fined if they find recyclables in my trash |
| [03:26:41] | i_is_two: | we have regular recycling pickup and you *can* put your bottles and cans in if you want, but then you're just throwing your money away |
| [03:26:50] | i_is_two: | people just dont want to get rid of that deposit for some reason |
| [03:27:04] | wagnerrp: | so dont up it up for a vote |
| [03:27:34] | kormoc: | We get a refund on our waste bill from them recycling which is likely as much if not more then your deposit |
| [03:27:51] | kormoc: | and makes folks watch out more, as the more folks recycle, the cheaper the service |
| [03:27:57] | i_is_two: | the one thing that irritates me about the deposit however, is when you're say walking through a mall and get thirsty and buy a drink, you're not going to carry that bottle everywhere you go |
| [03:28:05] | i_is_two: | you drop it in the recycling bin when you're done |
| [03:28:24] | i_is_two: | and there goes an extra 10c you could've gotten back or really shouldnt have paid to begin with |
| [03:28:53] | wagnerrp: | by Jove, i think hes got it |
| [03:29:07] | i_is_two: | which might be another reason why they wont get rid of the deposit.. just about every business in town has recycling bins just for bottles and cans |
| [03:29:19] | i_is_two: | and they probably make a pile of cash back from it |
| [03:29:19] | wagnerrp: | its alright, let the common sense overcome you |
| [03:29:51] | i_is_two: | not to mention its where the bums get their money from |
| [03:32:13] | i_is_two: | wow |
| [03:32:29] | i_is_two: | my video scan that used to take about 15–20min just finished in under 60s |
| [03:32:37] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo? |
| [03:32:38] | markl_: | someone at work was complaining that he couldn't get hulu to work on the mythtv internet channel section |
| [03:32:42] | markl_: | should that be possible? |
| [03:32:47] | markl_: | i've never used hulu |
| [03:32:58] | wagnerrp: | markl_: mythtv has no 'internet channel section' |
| [03:32:59] | i_is_two: | ya i just set up storage groups and umounted my nfs mounts |
| [03:33:08] | wagnerrp: | there is the mythnetvision plugin, but that does not support hulu |
| [03:33:11] | markl_: | wagnerrp: i forgot the actual term for it |
| [03:33:19] | wagnerrp: | and makes no allusion that it would in any way support hulu |
| [03:33:28] | markl_: | ok do i pretty much have to just load a browser and pray ? |
| [03:33:29] | wagnerrp: | i_is_cat: 0.22 or 0.23? |
| [03:33:46] | i_is_two: | 0.23rc2 i just upgraded it a few hrs ago |
| [03:33:55] | i_is_two: | from rc1 |
| [03:34:01] | wagnerrp: | markl_: or you can call the huludesktop application |
| [03:34:12] | i_is_two: | rc1 fixed my preview during the guide issue |
| [03:34:18] | i_is_two: | very happy about that |
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| [03:34:32] | wagnerrp: | i_is_two: the only reason mythvideo would take a long time to scan is if you have a lot of video not currently in your database |
| [03:34:48] | wagnerrp: | whether that is because theyre actually new, or because they have moved to a new location |
| [03:34:55] | i_is_two: | it worked in 0.22 then i went to a trunk version and it died but 0.23 fixed it :D |
| [03:35:01] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo now hashes any new content, to see if it matches with any existing content |
| [03:35:15] | markl_: | that seems expensive |
| [03:35:17] | wagnerrp: | trunk is not to be considered stable in this round of development |
| [03:35:21] | i_is_two: | i think it took forever because its 4 different hard drives all mounted through nfs and each one is almost maxed out in space |
| [03:35:26] | markl_: | or does it just grab a sample of the file? |
| [03:35:27] | wagnerrp: | and should not be used unless you are planning on actually developing for it |
| [03:35:28] | i_is_two: | its like 970 something gigs |
| [03:35:38] | wagnerrp: | markl_: file size and first and last 128KB |
| [03:35:43] | iamlindoro: | 64 |
| [03:35:45] | markl_: | ah cool |
| [03:35:50] | wagnerrp: | ah, 128KB total |
| [03:35:54] | markl_: | close enough :) |
| [03:36:01] | wagnerrp: | anyway... just enough to get a positive ID on the file, not a full file hash |
| [03:36:13] | iamlindoro: | and only hashed on file insertion or when the file is up for delete |
| [03:36:36] | iamlindoro: | and ~1000/minute on my box |
| [03:36:56] | iamlindoro: | so as long as you are not regularly adding thousands of files, you'll never notice ;) |
| [03:37:00] | wagnerrp: | is that local hashing? or called over mythbackend? |
| [03:37:05] | iamlindoro: | that was via proto |
| [03:37:22] | wagnerrp: | hmm... took something like 10 minutes for my ~3k files |
| [03:37:24] | i_is_two: | hmmm seems to be playing without any sound.. i bet its these damned speakers again they turn off if theres no sound going through them or something i think.. |
| [03:37:32] | wagnerrp: | of course i have a vastly slower backend than you |
| [03:37:45] | Jester05: | what do you guys think about using a ITX as a router/firewall and NFS |
| [03:37:59] | wagnerrp: | 'ITX' means nothing |
| [03:38:01] | Jester05: | tho I'm not sure that a ITX case will fit the number of hdd's I want |
| [03:38:09] | Jester05: | ITX motherboard.. |
| [03:38:13] | i_is_two: | hmmm nope.. tv has sound.. |
| [03:38:22] | wagnerrp: | ITX is just a form factor, and says nothing about the hardware you intend to use |
| [03:39:06] | wagnerrp: | you can run anything from a crappy VIA to a Corei7 on a mini-itx board |
| [03:39:14] | Jester05: | yes but most ITX setups, assuming the use of an ITX case, are 120 to 200w and don't appear to have much in the means of harddrive space |
| [03:39:16] | i_is_two: | the problem with an itx router/firewall is that its itx and probably only has one nic |
| [03:39:25] | i_is_two: | other than that i dont see any issue |
| [03:39:32] | wagnerrp: | most ITX setups are nowhere near 120w |
| [03:39:41] | wagnerrp: | for that matter, most full desktops are nowhere near 120w |
| [03:39:54] | Jester05: | most of the ITX case's I'm coming across are 120 to 200w |
| [03:40:19] | wagnerrp: | your average desktop with midrange graphics will idle at ~60W, and peak at no more than ~150–160W |
| [03:40:23] | Jester05: | I'm speaking in terms of the power supplies that come with the cases |
| [03:40:34] | wagnerrp: | even though it may come with a 400W supply |
| [03:40:43] | Jester05: | true enough |
| [03:41:02] | Jester05: | what sort of watt draw is a typical 1–2Tb sata drive? any guess? |
| [03:41:26] | wagnerrp: | 5400/5900 or 7200? |
| [03:41:36] | Jester05: | I'll probably be looking at 7200 |
| [03:41:41] | wagnerrp: | 8–10W |
| [03:41:49] | Jester05: | peak? |
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| [03:42:07] | wagnerrp: | load |
| [03:42:15] | wagnerrp: | peak will be spinup, and maybe 20–25W |
| [03:42:23] | Jester05: | alright |
| [03:42:40] | Jester05: | well I'm looking at the worse case scenario |
| [03:43:05] | Jester05: | I would like to give myself 8–10Tb or usable space |
| [03:43:19] | wagnerrp: | not on a mini-itx case, youre not |
| [03:43:25] | wagnerrp: | case/board |
| [03:43:28] | Jester05: | thats what I assumed |
| [03:43:41] | wagnerrp: | the cases wont have the space, and the boards wont have the ports |
| [03:43:45] | Jester05: | I've seen one ITX case that had 6 sata ports but I dunno about that |
| [03:43:59] | wagnerrp: | board |
| [03:44:06] | Jester05: | seemed to kind of defeat the purpose in an ITX |
| [03:44:13] | Jester05: | to have a HUGE case to fit those hdd's |
| [03:44:54] | wagnerrp: | you can stuff 8 laptop drives into a pair of 5.25" bays |
| [03:44:55] | Jester05: | so now I'm wondering if I should build an ITX case simply to work as a router/firewall or should I just make my NFS/MBE also do routing |
| [03:45:28] | Jester05: | do they have a mounting bracket for that or do you mean literally stuff them in |
| [03:46:29] | i_is_two: | does the internal player have issues with ac3 sound? |
| [03:46:49] | wagnerrp: | you can get hotswap caddies for two drives in a 3.5" bay, or four in a 5.25" bay |
| [03:46:53] | Jester05: | i_is_two, are you running analog digital? |
| [03:46:59] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [03:47:20] | i_is_two: | i have a bunch of dvd rips that have ac3 sound and they worked fine before with an older version of myth but now they sound weird.. voices are inaudible and sound effects are insanely loud |
| [03:47:37] | i_is_two: | its just regular 2.1 pc speakers |
| [03:47:57] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, I want to have a linux router which would mean I either need to make my file server / MythTV MBE do my routing too or make a separate box (ITX) for routing |
| [03:48:04] | iamlindoro: | i_is_cat, have you set the audio output in myth to stereo? |
| [03:48:19] | iamlindoro: | Utilities/Setup->General, page four-ish |
| [03:48:29] | Jester05: | part of me feels safer making the router just be a small ITX setup so I don't have to worry about losing routing abilities while doing maint. |
| [03:48:30] | [R]: | Jester05: why not just buy a $20 router? |
| [03:48:44] | wagnerrp: | i know ive said several times in here that my personal preference is to not have my firewall/router perform extra duties to keeping the network alive |
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| [03:49:08] | i_is_two: | aha you are the man iamlindoro! i have no idea why, but it was set to 5.1.. maybe thats default now? |
| [03:49:16] | Jester05: | [R], I'd like more advanced functionality of a linux router |
| [03:49:25] | [R]: | Jester05: you mean like one runhning dd-wrt or openwrt? |
| [03:49:48] | i_is_two: | im testing now to see if it sounds the same.. |
| [03:50:03] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, yeah you're probably right there. if I were to get a lower ghz single core cpu do you think i'd be fine to use an ITX for routing? |
| [03:50:11] | markl_: | sound issues? |
| [03:50:18] | markl_: | those are no fun |
| [03:50:22] | i_is_two: | well its better.. i wouldnt say great.. but i can hear what people are saying now |
| [03:50:35] | Jester05: | [R], yes probably so. plus i want to be able to have Draft-N and B/G running at the same time |
| [03:50:35] | markl_: | how are you connecting your computer to your audio system? s/pdif? |
| [03:50:42] | i_is_two: | i guess next time i just wont go with ac3 lol |
| [03:51:02] | i_is_two: | no spdif or anything fancy.. its just regular 2.1 pc speakers |
| [03:51:03] | [R]: | Jester05: theres a handful of n router that you can put dd-wrt and openwrt on |
| [03:52:03] | Jester05: | yes I know but most hardware doesn't support B/G and Draft N operating at the same time.. not to mention the cost of a new router outweighs a cheap ITX mobo/cpu combo and case |
| [03:52:37] | [R]: | hasn't n been finalized by now? |
| [03:52:38] | Jester05: | I've seen some combo's (minus ram) costing <$60 for CPU and mobo and cases in the <$40 |
| [03:52:43] | wagnerrp: | Jester05: what would you want N for anyway? |
| [03:53:00] | Jester05: | My laptop has N... roommates don't |
| [03:53:15] | wagnerrp: | but N isnt going to get you reliable mythtv playback |
| [03:53:35] | Jester05: | I'm not using this thing ONLY for myth either.. |
| [03:53:54] | wagnerrp: | and G is likely to be faster than any internet connection you may have |
| [03:53:54] | Jester05: | I know wagnerrp the router will be routing for the entire network. |
| [03:54:19] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, what speeds do you see with G? |
| [03:54:29] | wagnerrp: | ~20mbps |
| [03:54:43] | Jester05: | thats about what I get too |
| [03:54:58] | Jester05: | I'd still just like to build the thing tho really |
| [03:55:15] | Jester05: | the engineer in me just wants it for the oooo--ahhh effect |
| [03:55:30] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:56:02] | Jester05: | I'm just wondering if I should get a single or dual core cpu |
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| [03:56:16] | Jester05: | and how important bus speeds are for a router.. |
| [03:56:23] | wagnerrp: | the engineer in me doesnt understand using a full PC for a consumer grade router |
| [03:56:37] | i_is_two: | my internet connection is around 20mb |
| [03:56:43] | Jester05: | well sir, the engineer in you must be confused ;) |
| [03:56:49] | i_is_two: | down anyways.. lol |
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| [03:57:00] | [R]: | how do you guys hide engineers inside of yourselves? |
| [03:57:06] | Jester05: | I can pull over 2Mb/s often |
| [03:57:17] | wagnerrp: | [R]: i have a large belly |
| [03:57:27] | Jester05: | [R], if you have to ask.. you can't do it |
| [03:57:38] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:57:46] | [R]: | ffs, i have a dead process |
| [03:57:49] | [R]: | and now the box won't reboot |
| [03:58:02] | [R]: | actually 3 |
| [03:58:02] | Jester05: | oh it'll reboot if it knows whats good for it |
| [03:58:05] | i_is_two: | my wireless is really sucking today i dont know if its because i'm on windows or if somethings going on with my router but its annoying |
| [03:58:20] | i_is_two: | never seemed to have wireless issues with slack on this netbook |
| [03:58:55] | Jester05: | its always windows i_is_two .. why are you even running windows? |
| [03:59:13] | i_is_two: | because my netbook is still under warranty and needed to be brought in for repair |
| [03:59:20] | Jester05: | the only way you should run windows is if its in VirtualBox PEUL |
| [03:59:23] | i_is_two: | so i wiped the drive and it came back unfixed with windows |
| [03:59:41] | Jester05: | haha |
| [03:59:41] | i_is_two: | and i've been meaning to take it back but the weather sucks and i dont want to bring it out in the rain |
| [03:59:53] | Jester05: | eh |
| [03:59:58] | Jester05: | just shoot it |
| [04:00:03] | i_is_two: | lol |
| [04:00:06] | Jester05: | and get a droid |
| [04:00:16] | i_is_two: | it works great |
| [04:00:31] | i_is_two: | its just that they did a really poor job of manufacturing it |
| [04:00:37] | Jester05: | speaking of droid.. as soon as I finish the FE test this Saturday I'm getting back on creating that program to tether the droid |
| [04:00:40] | i_is_two: | and i should add "with linux" to the end of that first line there |
| [04:01:45] | Jester05: | yeah.. everything works better with linux.. my scroll pad doesn't work in windows using ACER's freakin drivers but in linux it just works out of box |
| [04:01:55] | markl_: | Jester05: what part of ohio? |
| [04:02:06] | Jester05: | Dayton .. :( |
| [04:02:11] | markl_: | i grew up near akron |
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| [04:02:24] | [R]: | Jester05: i've been there a few times |
| [04:02:25] | markl_: | if you're doing hi def i suggest dual core |
| [04:02:31] | Jester05: | oh really.. I like that side of the state much more.. not so flat and boring |
| [04:03:04] | Jester05: | markl_, what do you by hi def.. for FE or are you talking about a router? lol |
| [04:03:22] | Jester05: | I've been talking about ITXs for many things lately.. I'm confused lol |
| [04:03:39] | markl_: | oh i thought you were talking frontend specs |
| [04:04:02] | Jester05: | ohh, no but I am looking at some ITXs currently. what would you want in terms of GPU |
| [04:04:15] | Jester05: | I'd want to be able to do full 1080 h264 playback |
| [04:04:22] | markl_: | i have an nvidia 210 |
| [04:04:27] | markl_: | fanless |
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| [04:04:40] | Jester05: | I have a 9800gtx+ black edition in my desktop and it stutters with some 1080 playback |
| [04:04:53] | Owner: | oh ya and my fan grinds :S |
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| [04:05:08] | markl_: | Jester05: mythtv client? |
| [04:05:09] | Jester05: | does that 210 ever have any issue keeping up with any level of HD playback |
| [04:05:29] | markl_: | no |
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| [04:05:53] | markl_: | there is the occasional frame skip or something but the cpu load avg is quite low |
| [04:06:05] | Jester05: | no the 9800gtx+ is operating on a general linux box. most of the time I use VLC for media play back.. I've tried multiple but all seem to get skipped playback |
| [04:06:06] | markl_: | Jester05: which client are you using? mythfrontend? |
| [04:06:10] | markl_: | oh ok |
| [04:06:19] | markl_: | you will want something that does vdpau |
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| [04:06:34] | markl_: | so far in my experience, none of the clients even come close to mythtv |
| [04:06:41] | markl_: | for vdpau support |
| [04:06:45] | Jester05: | yeah |
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| [04:06:46] | Jester05: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . 0VGA%20Combo |
| [04:06:48] | markl_: | especially not VLC |
| [04:07:01] | markl_: | just load up the 0.23 mythvideo and try it |
| [04:07:03] | Jester05: | have a look at that link.. let me know if you see anything that you think'd work well |
| [04:07:06] | markl_: | from mythbuntu maybe |
| [04:07:28] | Jester05: | I could try that... good idea |
| [04:08:07] | i_is_two: | asus does itx |
| [04:08:08] | i_is_two: | :O |
| [04:10:02] | i_is_two: | wtf is home theater gate tho? |
| [04:10:35] | Jester05: | watch out i_is_two, some in here don't like it when people say wtf |
| [04:11:20] | Jester05: | markl_, what do you think of this one for HD FE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 46-_-Product |
| [04:11:20] | markl_: | where do i go to tell mythfrontend how to find the backend? |
| [04:11:34] | markl_: | Jester05: it's really hard to tell on those til you get them in your hands! |
| [04:11:35] | Jester05: | its in the general settings |
| [04:11:45] | Jester05: | thats what I was afraid of :( |
| [04:12:11] | markl_: | that onboard chipset will not do |
| [04:12:17] | markl_: | some of them have an nvidia |
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| [04:12:36] | Jester05: | but go to settings then just the default menu selection should take you right to the IP & Database UN/PW |
| [04:13:14] | markl_: | hmm, general just lets me do the database |
| [04:13:30] | Jester05: | its in that area |
| [04:13:32] | markl_: | guess i could maybe read some docs or something :) ok here goes |
| [04:13:35] | Jester05: | let me check on mine real quick |
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| [04:13:51] | i_is_two: | mythwelcome ? |
| [04:14:00] | Jester05: | lol don't read directions markl_ |
| [04:14:08] | Jester05: | mythwelcome? .. bahhh! |
| [04:14:31] | i_is_two: | lol i dunno.. theres a file you can edit that will let you change those settings tho |
| [04:14:58] | i_is_two: | i had to do that when i installed 0.23rc1 and it was asking me to input that info but i couldnt read what it was saying |
| [04:15:00] | Jester05: | markl_, utilities/setup -> setup -> general... Hostname should be the IP of the MBE |
| [04:15:49] | Jester05: | default database name should be: mythconverg | the username and password you'll have to get from the MBE's settings |
| [04:16:12] | i_is_two: | dude |
| [04:16:25] | i_is_two: | am i seriously looking at a dual core atom itx for $69 |
| [04:16:32] | Jester05: | yes.. |
| [04:16:39] | Jester05: | thats why i was like .. WHA!!! |
| [04:17:07] | Jester05: | for FE's.. they seem like the way to go |
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| [04:17:37] | markl_: | weird i only get the database config info, it is connecting to 127.0.0.1 for the backend |
| [04:17:39] | i_is_two: | i wanna buy one and replace my netbook guts with it |
| [04:17:45] | markl_: | oh i see |
| [04:17:55] | markl_: | my backend is also a frontend |
| [04:18:02] | markl_: | and i'm doing a 2nd frontend |
| [04:18:09] | Jester05: | yup.. |
| [04:18:25] | Jester05: | you'll have to get the local network IP of the MBE |
| [04:18:51] | Jester05: | make sure its static and not dynamic IP too ;) |
| [04:19:00] | markl_: | heh i am positive of that, at least |
| [04:19:58] | Jester05: | mine is set up dynamic but until the router is unplugged (mem is cleared) it gives the same mac address the same IPs |
| [04:20:20] | Jester05: | .. until the IP table is cleared either from power outage or clearing it via router utilities |
| [04:21:16] | markl_: | ouch there are dual BackendServerIP and port rows for the main backend/frontend |
| [04:21:33] | markl_: | this should be fun |
| [04:22:11] | markl_: | but i see, there is a hostname column |
| [04:22:28] | Jester05: | wonder if the GeForce9400/9400M chipset can do 1080 h264 |
| [04:22:42] | markl_: | look for the vdpau page on the mythtv wiki |
| [04:22:47] | markl_: | it lists the chipsets and what they can do |
| [04:23:04] | Jester05: | alright |
| [04:23:05] | Jester05: | thanks |
| [04:23:29] | markl_: | ok this is annoying i have two rows where all 3 columns match |
| [04:23:34] | markl_: | and i just want to update one of the 2 |
| [04:23:45] | wagnerrp: | Jester05: it can do L4.1 H264 |
| [04:24:07] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, so you would put an ITX with that in a FE? |
| [04:24:29] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, have a look: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 28-_-Product |
| [04:24:39] | wagnerrp: | sounds like youre referring to an ION |
| [04:24:53] | Jester05: | I believe I may be |
| [04:25:09] | wagnerrp: | personally, i prefer real CPUs on my frontends |
| [04:25:16] | wagnerrp: | but a lot of people seem happy with those units |
| [04:25:20] | Jester05: | why might I ask? |
| [04:26:01] | wagnerrp: | a real cpu lets me do other stuff on that machine than playback of particular content |
| [04:26:12] | wagnerrp: | say... i want to run a jobqueue on that machine |
| [04:26:20] | Jester05: | the FE in my living room I want to be a real machine.. i'll probably dual boot into windows so I could game on it or what have you |
| [04:26:22] | wagnerrp: | or maybe do a bunch of batch transcodes |
| [04:26:28] | Jester05: | ohh I see where you're going with it |
| [04:26:28] | wagnerrp: | or something completely unrelated to mythtv |
| [04:26:41] | Jester05: | can you assign a job from one machine to another? |
| [04:26:46] | wagnerrp: | or maybe i just have a recording or video that doesnt play nice with VPDAU |
| [04:26:54] | wagnerrp: | i have something to fall back on |
| [04:27:03] | Jester05: | say I have 1 beefy frontend.. could I assign that from a lesser frontend? |
| [04:27:18] | Jester05: | yeah that make sense |
| [04:27:20] | wagnerrp: | the frontend does not perform tasks |
| [04:27:27] | wagnerrp: | the backend and jobqueue runs tasks |
| [04:27:37] | wagnerrp: | you run a backend anywhere you have tuner cards |
| [04:27:43] | wagnerrp: | you run a jobqueue anywhere else |
| [04:28:05] | wagnerrp: | then you just specify what hosts are allowed to run what jobs |
| [04:28:18] | Jester05: | yeah i know that.. I thought it was sent to BE but you mentioned needing a beefy FE to handle jobs lol |
| [04:28:34] | Jester05: | ohh |
| [04:28:35] | Jester05: | alright |
| [04:28:55] | Jester05: | so if I have 1 decent FE I should be alright |
| [04:29:25] | wagnerrp: | sure... but real hardware just allows future flexibility that i prefer |
| [04:29:25] | Jester05: | I'm thinking about putting my MBE on a dual quad-core server mobo |
| [04:30:14] | Jester05: | yeah theres certainly some truth to that.. I just think I'd like to have a cheaper box for non-living room FE's |
| [04:30:44] | wagnerrp: | im not talking about significant cost when i say 'real hardware' |
| [04:30:48] | Jester05: | in the future I'd like to have one in the kitchen, bedroom, garage, basement, .. thought about putting a touch screen in the shower ;) |
| [04:31:15] | wagnerrp: | you can pick up a ATI board for $60, or an nvidia for $75 |
| [04:31:19] | Jester05: | yeah but anything compared to a $150 mobo/cpu/gpu combo? |
| [04:31:26] | wagnerrp: | add in a high end dual core AMD for $60 |
| [04:31:36] | Jester05: | eww AMD ;) |
| [04:31:37] | wagnerrp: | and maybe $45 for 2GB of memory |
| [04:31:54] | wagnerrp: | and youre talking a machine that will not consume considerably more power than that atom |
| [04:32:09] | wagnerrp: | you can get mini-itx boards, but theyre rare and will be a bit more |
| [04:32:13] | Jester05: | yeah.. you may be right |
| [04:32:31] | Jester05: | what about the HDD that you use.. I'm considering trying flashdrives just to hold the FE os |
| [04:32:36] | wagnerrp: | and if youre doing frontend-only machines |
| [04:32:56] | Jester05: | or even net boot maybe |
| [04:33:04] | wagnerrp: | just put it in standby when not in use, and youre down to cents per year difference from the atoms |
| [04:33:12] | wagnerrp: | Jester05: i have a rather complex netboot setup |
| [04:33:28] | wagnerrp: | i have a single boot image that i use for all my mythtv boxes |
| [04:33:41] | Jester05: | is there a way to put a pc into standby from myth or just letting them time out? |
| [04:33:52] | wagnerrp: | clone it for however many machines i have, and then have an overlay that i rsync on top on the first boot |
| [04:34:07] | Jester05: | hmm |
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| [04:34:27] | Jester05: | that sounds like something worth looking into. I've no real experience with netbooting but I'm sure I could figure it out |
| [04:34:32] | wagnerrp: | so it takes me all of five minutes to set up an overlay for a new machine, clone the image, and boot up another frontend |
| [04:34:40] | clever: | ive played with standby on my netboot laptop before |
| [04:34:47] | clever: | but the bigest problem was the vid card |
| [04:34:56] | wagnerrp: | with mythbuntu 10.04 and LTSP, they basically have something like that automated |
| [04:35:15] | wagnerrp: | clever: you just use s2ram and it provides a number of methods you can use to reinitialize the video card |
| [04:35:32] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah, but it works best if you stop X and unload the vid drivers fully |
| [04:35:36] | wagnerrp: | Jester05: then you just have a button on your remote (power button?) to force the machine into standby |
| [04:35:51] | clever: | which means X and mythfrontend have to restart on resume, making it a bit slower |
| [04:36:04] | wagnerrp: | hopefully youre using a receiver and motherboard that support wake-on-usb, so you can use the remote to wake it as well |
| [04:36:18] | wagnerrp: | clever: sure, but youre still talking <<10s for the whole wakeup |
| [04:36:31] | wagnerrp: | if you can get by without restarting X, its going to be <<5s |
| [04:36:39] | Jester05: | ahh I see wagnerrp, tho I'm looking at going all net-remotes now. Turned my droid into a remote and I have an old samsung SCH-i760 collecting dust. Think its going to become a remote as well |
| [04:36:43] | clever: | the other potential problem is the nfs server timing out because the client has been asleep |
| [04:36:55] | clever: | though iscsi might not have the same kind of problem |
| [04:37:22] | wagnerrp: | both iscsi and nfs have no problem reconnecting after coming out of standby |
| [04:37:48] | clever: | ive had many problems before where the nfs client would sh*t itself if the server was shutdown without warning |
| [04:38:12] | clever: | sometimes i can forcibly umount, but i can never re-mount the same share later because it tries to re-use the dead connection |
| [04:38:16] | Jester05: | wagnerrp, what about controlling the TV from the computer? do you know what sort of support Samsungs have for USB on/off? |
| [04:38:20] | wagnerrp: | weve had our NFS server crash and be down for extended periods at work |
| [04:38:30] | wagnerrp: | the nodes wake right back up as soon as the server is available once again |
| [04:38:34] | markl_: | where do i tell the front end to use vdpau and de-interlace? |
| [04:38:40] | clever: | the last major problem, was that df -h was in crontab |
| [04:38:44] | markl_: | those options seem to be missing |
| [04:38:47] | wagnerrp: | markl_: playback profiles |
| [04:38:47] | clever: | and it hard-locked waiting for the server |
| [04:38:56] | clever: | so it spawned 5000 df -h's, each under a php process |
| [04:39:09] | wagnerrp: | clever: well why would you do that? |
| [04:39:24] | clever: | wagnerrp: that was cacti trying to log the disk usage |
| [04:39:34] | clever: | and with an nfs server down, each poll of the disk usage froze up |
| [04:39:47] | wagnerrp: | the only problems we ever have with the down server is that batch jobs fail if theyre trying to dump to disk |
| [04:39:56] | clever: | in an attempt to fix it i did umount -avl /media/videos/oldghost/ |
| [04:39:56] | wagnerrp: | clever: why are you not pulling that data over snmp? |
| [04:40:13] | clever: | wagnerrp: cacti just uses df -h for the LOCAL server, snmp for all remote servers |
| [04:40:26] | clever: | the umount buggered the whole system up because i put -a by mistake |
| [04:40:31] | clever: | proc didnt even exist anymore |
| [04:40:36] | clever: | and refused to mount again |
| [04:40:36] | wagnerrp: | youre running your web server on a diskless machine? |
| [04:41:03] | clever: | i do have apache running on 2 of the diskless's, but the main apache is the main nfs server |
| [04:41:15] | wagnerrp: | three servers? |
| [04:41:30] | wagnerrp: | vhosts man... consolidate.... |
| [04:41:35] | clever: | 3 http servers, round-robin'd via ipv6 |
| [04:41:42] | clever: | they all serve the same vhosts |
| [04:41:55] | wagnerrp: | worthless because they all rely on the same master nfs server |
| [04:42:02] | wagnerrp: | if that goes down, they all go down anyway |
| [04:42:10] | clever: | its more to spread the cpu/ram loads |
| [04:42:31] | wagnerrp: | just what are you running on your home computers/connection that that is a concern? |
| [04:43:02] | clever: | apache keeps eating too much ram and pages sometimes take 2 minutes to get a turn to load |
| [04:43:11] | clever: | 512mb isnt enough to go around |
| [04:43:33] | wagnerrp: | thats why you dont try to run servers on 512MB of memory |
| [04:43:43] | wagnerrp: | even im hitting limits at 2GB |
| [04:43:43] | clever: | i know, i need more ram |
| [04:44:05] | clever: | ive set a 10 process limit on apache so it wont cripple the system |
| [04:44:26] | clever: | but it kinda makes the queue for page requests slower |
| [04:44:48] | clever: | and nearly everything is done via ipv4, so the round-robin is bypassed and not even used |
| [04:45:07] | clever: | havent gotten round-robin working yet on ipv4 |
| [04:45:35] | clever: | also, those 3 'servers' are on 24/7 for other reasons |
| [04:45:46] | clever: | the 1st is the master backend for mythtv, and the 2nd is the main frontend |
| [04:45:59] | clever: | cant shut them off to begin with |
| [04:48:36] | clever: | another part of the problem is the 'web' of NFS mounts, every system is mounting damn near every other system |
| [04:49:00] | clever: | so if i want to turn one off safely, i have to umount it everywhere, and sometimes shut the whole network down together |
| [04:49:34] | wagnerrp: | shove all the disks in one machine and be done with it? |
| [04:49:47] | clever: | the main box has 4 pata drives, its maxed out |
| [04:49:58] | wagnerrp: | get a controller card? |
| [04:50:08] | clever: | the 2nd box is the master backend, its got 1 pata and 2 sata, and it netboots from the main one |
| [04:50:40] | Jester05: | found my new router/firewall lol |
| [04:50:41] | Jester05: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153150R |
| [04:50:42] | clever: | the main one is probly also taxing the PSU, and it already sounds like a jet engine |
| [04:51:40] | clever: | i need to make the master backend more self-contained |
| [04:51:48] | clever: | un-netboot the thing |
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| [04:52:34] | wagnerrp: | dont the via processors already contain ethernet phys? |
| [04:52:45] | clever: | the P2 would probly perform alot better if the P4 wasnt dragging it down |
| [04:53:27] | wagnerrp: | and here i am complaining about being dragged down by my ancient opteron |
| [04:54:01] | clever: | i think the biggest problem is drive sdd in theP4 |
| [04:54:09] | clever: | that thing seems to always be in iowait |
| [04:54:50] | clever: | even with the system relatively idle, iostat is reading it as 14% used bandwidth |
| [04:56:01] | clever: | maybe i should take it out of the swap rotation |
| [04:59:02] | markl_: | this is nice, 5% cpu used when playing a 1080i mkv with advanced deinterlacing |
| [04:59:18] | wagnerrp: | generally if youre swapping, youre doing it wrong |
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| [04:59:52] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah, it needs alot more ram, but it helps to not put swap on slow disks |
| [05:00:31] | clever: | the swap partition has 13.2 MB/s seq read rate (just dd'd it into null) |
| [05:00:41] | clever: | shouldnt it be in the 40's?..... |
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| [05:03:36] | clever: | wagnerrp: oops, just reading the swap partition for a speed test has clogged apache with 30 requests |
| [05:07:42] | clever: | and it probly doesnt help that the main FS is lvm'd into 11 peices scattered over 5 partitions on 4 disks |
| [05:11:05] | klk: | anyone here have an ATI Remote Wonder II working in Fedora 12? |
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| [05:12:28] | jamesd2: | if you are hitting swap more than once a second you are probably doing it wrong... frontends need near real time response to display full screen video... |
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| [05:13:11] | clever: | jamesd2: yeah, thats why i'm considering using the P3 laptop as the main frontend |
| [05:13:24] | clever: | but the ati card sends out weird vga signals, the tv cant get a lock on the resolution |
| [05:13:43] | clever: | nomater what res i use, it claims 1024x768 and adds huge black borders |
| [05:14:01] | clever: | and i must run atitvout -f auto every time i change the res, or its just totaly scrambled |
| [05:14:13] | jamesd2: | i hope you aren't doing anything hd... my oteron 2.4ghz dual core, works its but off displaying full screen video hd. |
| [05:14:27] | clever: | all SD |
| [05:14:51] | clever: | i sometimes play HD files on a vdpau capable laptop, but i cant make it the permanent frontend |
| [05:14:58] | wagnerrp: | jamesd2: it has nothing to do with being full screen |
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| [05:15:14] | clever: | Xv should handle all scalling, so fullscreen wont be any extra load |
| [05:16:16] | clever: | wagnerrp: i think i found part of the problem, the main swap partition is on the same psy device as the database |
| [05:16:23] | clever: | heavy use on either will clog up both |
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| [05:23:00] | clever: | ah, here is the app i was looking for, isag! |
| [05:23:44] | clever: | wagnerrp: it graphs the number of swaps in/out of the disk and tons of other stuff |
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| [05:29:07] | clever: | dang, it even graphs context switching |
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| [05:46:22] | clever: | ok, here is the key value |
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| [05:46:41] | clever: | on avarage, a request to sdd takes 172ms from queuing to when its done |
| [05:46:50] | clever: | that drive sucks! :P |
| [05:47:29] | clever: | only 10ms of that was to actualy service the request |
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| [06:08:48] | [R]: | if i have a recording schedule that something is matching |
| [06:08:54] | [R]: | how do i modify it for that one particular show |
| [06:09:26] | wagnerrp: | set an override in mythfrontend or mythweb |
| [06:10:16] | [R]: | how do i do that? |
| [06:10:30] | [R]: | i'm in mythweb but all i can do is change the schedule it seems |
| [06:10:32] | wagnerrp: | in manage recordings, upcoming recordings |
| [06:11:07] | wagnerrp: | what exactly do you want to change? |
| [06:11:12] | [R]: | i missed the last |
| [06:11:17] | [R]: | like minute of south park |
| [06:11:22] | [R]: | so i did delte and rerecord |
| [06:11:34] | [R]: | and now i want to tell it to add a minute to the next recording |
| [06:12:14] | wagnerrp: | so you edit that one recording in upcoming recordings |
| [06:12:49] | [R]: | ah i found it |
| [06:13:19] | [R]: | and i *think* i fixed the recording rule for next week |
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| [06:13:52] | [R]: | looks good... i have a catch all for south park, and then a specific one for the new eps |
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| [08:45:38] | justinh: | hmmm. lm sensors still seems to be reporting junk voltages |
| [08:45:59] | justinh: | I doubt the computer would be working well if the +5V rail was actually 4.05 |
| [08:46:21] | justinh: | ahh, they say, so you need to adjust sensors3.conf. myers, with no frame of reference |
| [08:46:45] | justinh: | did anybody actually compile valid motherboard config files? apparently not :-\ |
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| [11:09:07] | bep_: | hello |
| [11:09:40] | bep_: | is it possible to view my signal strenght elsewhere than in the osd? |
| [11:09:56] | bep_: | i need to adjust my signal amplifier |
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| [11:13:06] | justinh: | use femon instead :) |
| [11:13:18] | justinh: | or femon -a $adapternuber |
| [11:13:57] | bep_: | ok i'll try |
| [11:14:07] | bep_: | tx |
| [11:15:58] | bep_: | just getting this : status SC YL | signal 4570 | snr 0000 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
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| [11:30:49] | justinh: | yeah and? |
| [11:31:01] | prupert: | hello everybody, I am using mythtv from Ubuntu 9.10 repos with the UK's DVB-T Freeview service, everything was working wonderfully. I had to recently rescan as they switched off the analogue signal here and moved some channels around. I decided to delete the old video source as there were a few changes to the listings. Ever since, my EIT data is all screwy, it will only ever get Now and Next data for the current d |
| [11:31:03] | prupert: | ay. One day ahead, it shows a full list of programs, but for the current day, you only ever see what is on Now and Next. I didn't change any settings, just deleted the old video source and added a new one with all the old settings. Is it possible that the Digital switchover changed something to cause this (which I very much doubt)? I am wondering if I start from scratch it might help flush out some old settings fr |
| [11:31:05] | prupert: | om the old video source, if so, how do I clean out mythtv so I am starting from scratch again (other than un-installing and purging?)? |
| [11:32:12] | prupert: | fwiw the logs show no EIT related problems....and yup, it is set to grab listings from EIT in mythtvsetup and mythweb. |
| [11:32:35] | justinh: | bep_: signal is your signal level, whose number may go down as the signal level increases. BER is all zeros – that's the bit error rate.. zeros mean GOOD. same for UNC :-) |
| [11:32:54] | justinh: | bep_: looks to me like you don't need to adjust anything |
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| [11:35:08] | justinh: | prupert: could be that the EIT data itself is borked, if you're getting data at all it's likely your setup is fine. do the usual check the database for issues etc though (mysqlcheck etc) |
| [11:36:10] | justinh: | prupert: you could check by stopping mythbackend & running kaffeine. IIRC that has an EPG feature |
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| [11:37:27] | prupert: | justinh: so kaffeine is an unrelated proggie to check if the DVB-T stream has working EIT data? OK, I'll try that, nice idea. Also, you mention checking the database using mysqlcheck, is info about that in the wiki (since I haven't heard about that before)?? |
| [11:37:44] | bep_: | justinh: |
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| [11:38:07] | bep_: | but hd channel is lagging hard |
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| [11:38:18] | justinh: | prupert: just run mysqlcheck -umythtv -pTHEPASSWORD mythconverg :) |
| [11:38:20] | bep_: | mytthv osd shows 30% signal strenght |
| [11:38:28] | justinh: | bep_: 'lagging' is not a valid description of anything |
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| [11:38:34] | justinh: | bep_: and the OSD lies :) |
| [11:38:37] | prupert: | kk, cool, will do, thanks for the ideas.. |
| [11:38:48] | bep_: | the picture is stuttering |
| [11:38:52] | bep_: | not fluent:) |
| [11:38:57] | justinh: | better |
| [11:39:20] | justinh: | so while mythtv is tuned to the hd channel, or a multiplex which contains the HD channel, run femon :) |
| [11:39:37] | bep_: | ah, ok |
| [11:40:00] | justinh: | LAG means something is behind something... if car1 is lagging car 2, car1 is behind |
| [11:40:48] | bep_: | just got used to the term "lag" cause of too much online gaming:) |
| [11:40:49] | justinh: | I see the word misused a lot by people who speak fluent english. it's a problem |
| [11:41:12] | prupert: | justinh: well mysqlcheck passes fine with OK, will try out kaffeine |
| [11:41:24] | justinh: | prupert: or if you have a freeview STB look on there too |
| [11:41:42] | prupert: | justinh: yeah, will do |
| [11:41:52] | bep_: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1861684 output of femon |
| [11:42:11] | justinh: | prupert: you said you deleted the original video source.. when you created it again did you correctly link it to the tuner in input connections? |
| [11:42:38] | prupert: | justinh: yeah, i have succesfully recorded and watched live TV with it since |
| [11:43:09] | justinh: | bep_: see in that pastebin BER and UNC are still all zeros which means your signal is OK |
| [11:43:32] | bep_: | hmm |
| [11:43:35] | justinh: | with digital signals it's the QUALITY of signal which is important, not the strength |
| [11:43:50] | justinh: | unless the tuner driver is lying... |
| [11:43:50] | bep_: | and quality is ok? |
| [11:44:01] | justinh: | zero errors.. what does that say to you hmm? |
| [11:44:05] | bep_: | sure |
| [11:44:06] | justinh: | says 'good' to me |
| [11:44:34] | bep_: | but why this stuttering |
| [11:44:36] | justinh: | it's possible that the driver is lying to femon but I very much doubt it. |
| [11:44:43] | bep_: | hardware is new |
| [11:44:48] | justinh: | maybe your box doesn't have enough oomph |
| [11:44:54] | bep_: | no:) |
| [11:45:02] | justinh: | so you say |
| [11:45:05] | bep_: | i3 530 9500gt |
| [11:45:12] | bep_: | should be fine |
| [11:45:20] | justinh: | have you actually installed the nvidia drivers? |
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| [11:45:43] | bep_: | i took the one which came with mythbuntu |
| [11:45:50] | bep_: | but i activated it |
| [11:46:14] | justinh: | can the machine play any HD at all without stuttering? |
| [11:46:59] | justinh: | you should look in the output of mythfrontend -v playback while trying to watch the HD channel |
| [11:47:03] | justinh: | your signal is *fine* |
| [11:47:30] | justinh: | when you say it stutters, do you mean that playback is not smooth? Like there are no periods where it goes all blocky? |
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| [11:48:03] | justinh: | problems with the signal quality give you strange playback problems where the picture will go very blocky periodically |
| [11:48:12] | quicksilver: | poor digital signal manifests as visual or audio glitches |
| [11:48:23] | quicksilver: | the visual glitches look like rectangular smallpox |
| [11:48:33] | quicksilver: | the audio ones sounds like someone crunching newspaper |
| [11:48:34] | bep_: | i don't have any artefacts |
| [11:48:35] | quicksilver: | well, roughly :) |
| [11:48:38] | bep_: | :) |
| [11:48:41] | justinh: | bep_: so it's not signal related then |
| [11:48:48] | justinh: | definitely not |
| [11:49:00] | bep_: | ok, i will investigate further |
| [11:49:07] | justinh: | is this h.264 HD? |
| [11:49:16] | justinh: | presumably on dvb-t is IS h.264 |
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| [11:49:27] | bep_: | it's dvb-c in germany |
| [11:49:34] | bep_: | i guess its h.264 |
| [11:49:39] | justinh: | yeah probably is |
| [11:49:50] | justinh: | so, you've got something wrong in your config somehow |
| [11:50:07] | justinh: | possibly only choosing the wrong playback profile |
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| [11:50:37] | ** justinh goes back to the lab to work on his whole house audio distribution amp ** | |
| [11:50:53] | bep_: | another thing that's probably related is, i need to use 1600*1200 as resolution to see the whole desktop |
| [11:51:12] | bep_: | but i have a full hd panel, so it should run in *1080 |
| [11:52:32] | bep_: | for installation i had to run the installer in grafic save mode |
| [11:52:44] | bep_: | otherwise the screen didn't fit |
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| [13:08:07] | mag0o: | wow, $70 for hitachi 1tb sata @ newegg |
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| [13:17:46] | j-rod: | I've convinced myself there's nothing I can do right now to make my gf9600gt not decode like arse |
| [13:18:01] | j-rod: | so I ordered a gf220 last night |
| [13:18:16] | j-rod: | hope its not something stupid like the motherboard actually at fault |
| [13:18:26] | j-rod: | (dunno how it *would* be, but...) |
| [13:19:39] | j-rod: | for $70, I get advanced 2x deint, wider codec support, etc., and I've already spent more than that in time and effort trying to figure out wtf was wrong. |
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| [13:44:18] | jayage: | j-rod: quality should visibly improve , from what i've read in comparisons between different VP (purevideo) levels |
| [13:44:49] | j-rod: | when the 9600 isn't being buggy w/its decoding, the video quality is already quite fantastic |
| [13:44:52] | jayage: | planning to get GT220 myself, to upgrade current 8600GT |
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| [13:46:43] | jayage: | at any rate, purevideo VP4 and vdpau C cards are the ones to get (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo) |
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| [13:47:07] | skd5aner: | I like my GT 240, chugging along fairly nicely, minus some weird artifacts sometimes on tickers tha make them looked interlaced (but I think that's VDPAU, not the card) |
| [13:48:23] | jayage: | skd5aner: good to hear. looking forward to my spring upgrade all the more |
| [13:50:53] | j-rod: | if I cared enough, I'd try this card out under windows to see if it had similar issues there or not |
| [13:52:22] | skd5aner: | j-rod: are you jarod wilson? |
| [13:52:48] | j-rod: | whois says I am. :) |
| [13:52:52] | skd5aner: | if you don't mind me asking (if you are) :) |
| [13:53:20] | j-rod: | I'd use the more obvious nick of 'jarod' if it weren't already taken |
| [13:53:34] | j-rod: | but yes, he is I, and I am him. |
| [13:53:35] | skd5aner: | ha, didn't look – anyway, you might not remember me, but you helped me once, back in like 2005... I sent you a PVR-500 that wouldn't work in my systems |
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| [13:54:02] | skd5aner: | you popped it in, tested it out, worked fine for you, then I popped it back in mine and it's basically worked ever since |
| [13:54:34] | j-rod: | I do recognize your nick, matches your email address, knew we'd talked in the past, forgot details |
| [13:54:53] | skd5aner: | yea – we chatted a few times around that time, you were doing some podcast or something |
| [13:54:57] | skd5aner: | as a guest |
| [13:55:00] | skd5aner: | anyway – long time :) |
| [13:55:28] | j-rod: | ah yes, went on tllts. that was a bit of a disaster, horrid phone connection. |
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| [13:55:58] | skd5aner: | never made the connection that you were him on IRC since I've started to hang out here recently |
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| [13:56:45] | j-rod: | being on irc is pretty much a requirement of my current job, so I'm pretty much always at least lurking M-F during east coast business hours |
| [13:57:15] | jayage: | anone here using HVR4000? i wonder if there is any other way to tune dvb-t channels, apart from using that delay inserting patch |
| [13:57:28] | skd5aner: | ah, it's blocked at the firewall from my company :) |
| [13:58:06] | jayage: | skd5aner: well, you got computer running at home, don't you ;) |
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| [13:58:11] | j-rod: | if they let ssh out, nothing is blocked... |
| [13:58:33] | j-rod: | hell, if they let any traffic at all out, nothing is blocked |
| [13:58:40] | skd5aner: | nope... SSH is blocked, but I work from home fulltime now, so... it's really a moot point for me ;) |
| [13:58:51] | j-rod: | aha |
| [13:59:04] | skd5aner: | My nice dual-monitor KVM ;) |
| [13:59:35] | ** j-rod used to use ssh + a web proxy tunnel to get in and out of $big_airplane_mfg's network... ** | |
| [14:00:02] | skd5aner: | I know what part of the country you live, so I know what that variable translates too... nice |
| [14:00:10] | j-rod: | skd5aner: only dual? :) |
| [14:00:27] | skd5aner: | ha, yea, only dual |
| [14:00:33] | j-rod: | and I don't know if what you think you know is current anymore... |
| [14:00:45] | skd5aner: | well, I'm assuming probably not now, but then... |
| [14:01:04] | skd5aner: | If I recall, it was WA |
| [14:01:07] | j-rod: | I *did* live in Boeing country until 4+ years ago, in the Boston area now. |
| [14:01:15] | skd5aner: | ew, I'm sorry to hear that |
| [14:01:19] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [14:01:31] | j-rod: | heh. its not bad at all. |
| [14:01:46] | j-rod: | waaay better than when I was stuck living in memphis, tn for 2 years |
| [14:01:52] | skd5aner: | my manager lives in Boston, so does his his manager, and a lot of co-workers |
| [14:01:55] | ** justinh does all his business over a very non-standard port our products use, so they can't block it :D ** | |
| [14:02:19] | ** j-rod had a quad-head setup in the office, but found the 4th monitor not that useful, backed off to 3 to gain a bit more desk space for other thigns ** | |
| [14:02:44] | skd5aner: | If I had a third monitor, I'd probably use it exclusively off the KVM |
| [14:02:47] | j-rod: | I'm actually about 30 minutes north of boston, up by the ma/nh border |
| [14:03:17] | j-rod: | I had a 5th monitor, now 4th, which is used exclusively for the kvm |
| [14:03:45] | skd5aner: | I'd like to be able to see the other computer all the time without flipping |
| [14:04:40] | skd5aner: | j-rod, nice, visited that area a few years ago – from Conneticut up to UNH |
| [14:04:49] | j-rod: | yeah, I hate having to move away from anything I'm looking at on the 3. I don't even like virtual desktops. |
| [14:05:06] | j-rod: | just gimme enough screen real estate that I don't need 'em :) |
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| [14:05:56] | justinh: | heheh from the twitter #mythtv timeline: "is annoyed that @tivo is putting enough ads in the GUI to reduce usability. Need to find time to resurrect my #mythtv box." |
| [14:06:04] | skd5aner: | alright, I've got to run... nice catching up to you j-rod, glad to see all-is-well! |
| [14:06:07] | justinh: | ads in the UI?! LOL |
| [14:06:53] | justinh: | so you PAY them to 'rent' the DVR & they also make money by showing you adverts? :-O |
| [14:07:00] | justinh: | that's just sick, man |
| [14:07:04] | j-rod: | skd5aner: likewise, ttfn! |
| [14:07:24] | skd5aner: | justinh: they started that a few years ago due to the popular practice of fast-forwarding through commercials |
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| [14:07:46] | skd5aner: | "lost advertising" |
| [14:08:24] | justinh: | uhhh.. what does tivo have to do with tv channels' advertising revenues? |
| [14:08:34] | justinh: | like why should tivo give a toss? ;-) |
| [14:08:43] | skd5aner: | I'm just relaying the rational |
| [14:08:55] | skd5aner: | s/the/their |
| [14:09:15] | justinh: | yeah well, they're lame :) |
| [14:09:46] | skd5aner: | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/business/media/23adco.html |
| [14:10:02] | skd5aner: | and this one from 2004 – http://www.pvrblog.com/pvr/2004/11/tivo_to_add_ban.html |
| [14:10:05] | justinh: | I could understand a provider's tivo doing it.. they'd have to do the bidding of the broadcasters for guaranteed carriage of desirable channels |
| [14:10:31] | justinh: | please add a flag to mark the beginning of ad breaks.. pretty please! |
| [14:10:47] | skd5aner: | would be a nice side-effect for us eh? :) |
| [14:11:01] | skd5aner: | I would imagine they know that would be a double-edged swoard and won't do it though |
| [14:11:01] | justinh: | you can say that again :D |
| [14:11:14] | skd5aner: | ok, now I really need to run... later |
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| [14:52:44] | JohnnyJboss: | if I have the cheap HDHR and 1 HDPVR and yet mythweb shows 3 tuners... how can I determine what these are ? |
| [14:53:03] | JohnnyJboss: | i've been ignoring this for some time |
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| [15:00:59] | JohnnyJboss: | i'm guessing it's related to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Multirec |
| [15:01:09] | JohnnyJboss: | and was implemented automagically |
| [15:05:31] | Jester05: | hey hey |
| [15:07:14] | skd5aner: | JohnnyJboss: you can check in mythtv-setup |
| [15:07:28] | iamlindoro: | JohnnyJboss: Yes, it's multirec |
| [15:07:55] | iamlindoro: | JohnnyJboss: Digital tuners by default show up as two encoders (In card setup, Recording Options->Max Recordings) |
| [15:08:15] | iamlindoro: | So your single tuner HDHR = 2 encoders |
| [15:08:43] | JohnnyJboss: | ok – it wasn't high on my list of issues since it didnt appear to be causing problems |
| [15:09:08] | JohnnyJboss: | i just assumed multirec was a hassle to implement since there's some longish threads on it in the mailing list |
| [15:09:31] | JohnnyJboss: | having it automagically makes me happy |
| [15:10:04] | JohnnyJboss: | since im moving to .23-fixes tomorrow I wanted to rule out any outstanding issues |
| [15:10:11] | iamlindoro: | The more time you spend in here, the less you will trust anything said on the list that isn't by Mike Dean ;) |
| [15:10:28] | JohnnyJboss: | or Jarrod |
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| [15:18:03] | iamlindoro: | Someone on the users list feels like doing me a favor, they could tell this guy (http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-April/286475.html) that he should press up instead of down if he wants to get to the buttons instead of the list and this guy (http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-April/286477.html) That he needs to change the background in qtlook.txt if he wants it to show up in MythWelcome |
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| [15:21:39] | JohnnyJboss: | i'm not even on .23-fixes or else I would |
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| [15:26:02] | JohnnyJboss: | although I hear good things about arclight and I'm looking forward to it |
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| [15:32:34] | mag0o: | aww, cmon iamlindoro, you know you need to answer him there :) |
| [15:32:58] | iamlindoro: | Nope, not resubscribing, I've had my fill ;) |
| [15:35:48] | ** mag0o has a heart ** | |
| [15:36:12] | iamlindoro: | mag0o: Thanks ;) |
| [15:36:22] | iamlindoro: | Besides, it's WAY more fun to dictate my orders to others ;) |
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| [15:37:17] | JohnnyJboss: | some people got it like that |
| [15:37:35] | JohnnyJboss: | is the up vs down thing another issue where a globla F1 for help would be good? |
| [15:37:54] | JohnnyJboss: | or something |
| [15:37:56] | Jester05: | anyone here ever live in Bend, OR? |
| [15:38:11] | ** JohnnyJboss is trying to imagine which key on his remote would become F1 ** | |
| [15:38:23] | iamlindoro: | JohnnyJboss: Nah, it's just a "getting used to MythUI" thing |
| [15:38:34] | iamlindoro: | one direction will cycle one way through the widgets, the other direction the other, always |
| [15:39:03] | iamlindoro: | though obviously the order of the cycling is the order of the definition in the XML so the theme author does bear *some* responsibility to define widgets in a logical order |
| [15:39:46] | iamlindoro: | If I defined Textedit->buttons->buttonlist instead of textedit->buttonlist->buttons, then I'd get complaints that it jumps around instead of being in a logical order... can't win |
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| [15:43:48] | ** wagnerrp finds it amazing that all these people who havent contributed a bit of code are coming out of the woodwork to 'fix' your stuff ** | |
| [15:45:33] | wagnerrp: | i mean you seem to be getting it far more than any of the other devs |
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| [15:52:20] | JohnnyJboss: | so Arc LIght is also the title of a Novel |
| [15:52:22] | iamlindoro: | I think the issue is that it's so visible |
| [15:52:40] | iamlindoro: | Only amusing how easily a creative chocie is interpreted as a bug |
| [15:53:16] | JohnnyJboss: | you can't please any of the people all of the time |
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| [15:54:05] | iamlindoro: | Or some of the people any of the time ;) |
| [15:54:24] | JohnnyJboss: | i'm guessing you wrote that theme? |
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| [15:54:38] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [15:54:43] | JohnnyJboss: | im trying to confirm that but im not sure where to look |
| [15:54:52] | iamlindoro: | Arclight and Graphite, wrote both |
| [15:54:59] | JohnnyJboss: | michael dean has made some commits to it though... |
| [15:55:19] | iamlindoro: | To Arclight? |
| [15:55:29] | wagnerrp: | to those threads |
| [15:55:33] | JohnnyJboss: | oh waht |
| [15:55:35] | JohnnyJboss: | duh.... |
| [15:55:47] | JohnnyJboss: | i was reading http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . mes/Arclight |
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| [15:56:51] | iamlindoro: | Not that I would mind him touching it (since I know he'd never just unilaterally modify it) but last time I asked him to commit a fix for me he prefered that I do it, so it sounded wrong :) |
| [15:56:58] | ** sphery has purposefully /not/ made changes to Arclight--not even removing the stupid partial list of random number keys to press for sorting in Set Priorities/Manage Rules (which are shown in their entirety in MENU, where they should be) ** | |
| [15:56:59] | wagnerrp: | mtdean is more about the internal code, and encyclopedic knowledge of all discussions mythtv |
| [15:57:35] | sphery: | stupid meaning that it was and always has been there as a partial list in all themes because we only recently got the menu support (thanks Paul H) |
| [15:57:47] | sphery: | and no theme has yet removed it |
| [15:58:12] | sphery: | Oh, and I thought about replacing the background--it seems the one in SVN in corrupted. |
| [15:58:50] | iamlindoro: | sphery: oh shoot, did I commit that fix? |
| [15:58:55] | sphery: | nope :) |
| [15:58:58] | iamlindoro: | bah |
| [15:59:03] | iamlindoro: | I'll do it after this |
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| [15:59:35] | sphery: | iamlindoro: thx |
| [15:59:38] | sphery: | JohnnyJboss: Besides, it's WAY more fun to dictate my orders to others ;) |
| [15:59:51] | sphery: | (see how I brought that full circle :) |
| [15:59:52] | iamlindoro: | touché |
| [16:00:04] | sphery: | touch? eh? |
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| [16:04:47] | ** iamlindoro wonders how many people's IRC clients accurately depicted the accented character ** | |
| [16:05:09] | wagnerrp: | which one is that? |
| [16:05:15] | jams: | yep |
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| [16:05:18] | iamlindoro: | touché |
| [16:05:27] | wagnerrp: | works here |
| [16:05:40] | iamlindoro: | éèøüöîç ! |
| [16:06:03] | wagnerrp: | however i have no way of actually replying in kind |
| [16:06:14] | iamlindoro: | I seem to recall the default configuration in some old xchat doing naughty things with them |
| [16:06:16] | wagnerrp: | save memorizing the ASCII codes and typing those in on the keypad |
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| [16:06:36] | iamlindoro: | Mac os handles them in a really nice way, and TBH it's the only OS I know how to do them quickly in |
| [16:08:47] | sid3windr: | works here too :) |
| [16:09:05] | sid3windr: | but then I have these things on my keyboard map ;) |
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| [16:10:56] | tassbur: | hi everybody |
| [16:10:58] | markl_: | iamlindoro: i got it on mine |
| [16:11:11] | markl_: | and i am using good old xterm |
| [16:11:30] | markl_: | with: -fn -*-*-bold-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-*-* |
| [16:11:32] | tassbur: | i'm new here so sorry for my english |
| [16:11:57] | tassbur: | i'm having a problem with mythbuntu 10.04 |
| [16:12:54] | tassbur: | i know it is in beta. The problem is that even the backend and the frontend have the same ip and backend is running, frontend can't connect to it |
| [16:13:10] | wagnerrp: | and the error you get? |
| [16:13:36] | tassbur: | simply: frontend can't connect to backend |
| [16:13:41] | tassbur: | is the ip correct? |
| [16:13:47] | tassbur: | that's all |
| [16:13:57] | wagnerrp: | are your IPs set correctly? |
| [16:14:02] | tassbur: | yes |
| [16:14:08] | iamlindoro: | let's see your backend log |
| [16:14:13] | tassbur: | yes |
| [16:14:15] | JohnnyJboss: | i hate the mysql permisions stuff |
| [16:14:20] | iamlindoro: | A shiny nickel says it isn't running |
| [16:14:21] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv-setup on the master backend, both IPs should be the same, and be that local machine's IP |
| [16:14:21] | tassbur: | and it say the same |
| [16:14:40] | iamlindoro: | tassbur: pastebin your /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log please |
| [16:14:46] | wagnerrp: | your backend logs says it cannot connect to the backend? |
| [16:14:47] | iamlindoro: | mythtv.pastebin.ca |
| [16:15:30] | tassbur: | sorry i'm now at work and i can't show you the logs |
| [16:15:39] | iamlindoro: | Then we aren't going to be able to help you :) |
| [16:15:40] | wagnerrp: | no SSH access? |
| [16:15:51] | tassbur: | no |
| [16:16:00] | tassbur: | sorry |
| [16:16:05] | iamlindoro: | You'll need to come back later when you have access to the system |
| [16:16:12] | JohnnyJboss: | yikes – I run mine on 443 so I can get to it from work |
| [16:16:40] | tassbur: | ok, i'll be back later |
| [16:17:03] | tassbur: | but, do you think anything that i can check? |
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| [16:17:15] | tassbur: | and thank you very much |
| [16:17:17] | wagnerrp: | check your IPs, make sure theyre currect |
| [16:17:26] | quicksilver: | check with ps to see if the backend is actually running |
| [16:17:44] | iamlindoro: | And read the backend logs in case it is running but misconfigured ;) |
| [16:18:25] | tassbur: | thank you all |
| [16:19:06] | tassbur: | i'm pretty sure that the ip are correct, and the backend is running with ps |
| [16:20:04] | wagnerrp: | im going to bet theyre not correct |
| [16:20:20] | tassbur: | but it connect sometimes |
| [16:20:23] | wagnerrp: | and your backend logs are complaining that they cannot access the master backend |
| [16:20:30] | clever: | dhcp? |
| [16:21:29] | tassbur: | i put an static ip in interfaces, but i didn't check the dhcp |
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| [16:22:36] | tassbur: | and the ip is from the range that the dhcpd don't lease |
| [16:22:56] | iamlindoro: | Honestly, it's just a waste of time to speculate about anything |
| [16:23:02] | iamlindoro: | the backend logs will reveal all |
| [16:23:12] | iamlindoro: | if you look at them for more than a minute without seeing the problem, come back here with them |
| [16:23:46] | JohnnyJboss: | the tribe has spoken |
| [16:23:47] | tassbur: | ok, sorry for the incovenience, it's only that i'm desesperate |
| [16:24:07] | JohnnyJboss: | no worries – folks will be here to help when you've got logs |
| [16:24:08] | iamlindoro: | We are happy to help, but need the tools to do so ;) |
| [16:24:27] | iamlindoro: | You wouldn't want your doctor to take your temperature and tell you you need your testicles removed, would you? |
| [16:24:36] | JohnnyJboss: | yikes |
| [16:25:15] | tassbur: | you're all right |
| [16:25:19] | JohnnyJboss: | iamlindoro: did you name arclight after the novel? |
| [16:25:37] | iamlindoro: | JohnnyJboss: Nope, never heard of the novel, an Arclight is an object |
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| [16:25:52] | iamlindoro: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_lamp |
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| [16:29:24] | npm: | and a studio :-) |
| [16:30:07] | npm: | http://www.arclightstudios.com/ |
| [16:30:18] | markl_: | ok i have a VDPAU kind of question, i'm playing with a 210 and an 8600GT |
| [16:30:29] | markl_: | how much of a difference is the Advanced 2x vs Bob 2x ? |
| [16:30:31] | wagnerrp: | so apparently i accidentally left some income off my tax returns |
| [16:30:43] | wagnerrp: | lets see if the IRS comes after me for that lost $2.41 |
| [16:30:51] | markl_: | i have to say it is quite ridiculous how well this 8600GT does |
| [16:31:14] | iamlindoro: | markl_: Depends on how discerning you are-- I am pretty convinced that most of the people who go on and on about VDPAU deinterlacers are delusional :) |
| [16:31:22] | wagnerrp: | markl_: Bob is very basic, it just vertically offsets every other frame |
| [16:31:24] | markl_: | 1080i mkv with 0.05 cpu usage |
| [16:31:30] | JohnnyJboss: | wagnerrp: my moms a retired agent |
| [16:31:32] | wagnerrp: | Advanced performs some sort of spatial-temporal blend |
| [16:32:01] | wagnerrp: | JohnnyJboss: my aunt is actually some kind of investigator for them |
| [16:32:19] | markl_: | the one annoying problem when i play back on the 210 is it seems to occasionally drop a frame |
| [16:32:27] | markl_: | not sure if it's the 210's fault though |
| [16:32:50] | markl_: | so i'm wondering if it is worth it to throw the 8600gt in to see what happens |
| [16:33:39] | npm: | speaking of 210's... is it worth getting one instead of a used 9500GT for doing vdpau ?? |
| [16:33:58] | wagnerrp: | you currently have a 9500? |
| [16:34:10] | npm: | no, it just seems like the lowest point of entry |
| [16:34:38] | wagnerrp: | i would get the 210 for the audio support |
| [16:34:58] | npm: | i am in market, and saw this and thought it might be nice http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&am . . . prod_no=1923 |
| [16:34:58] | npm: | http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=512-P3-1213-LR |
| [16:35:19] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I sent them an e-mail... |
| [16:35:28] | npm: | heh, nice msi's site is horked |
| [16:35:28] | wagnerrp: | however note that the 9500 is a more powerful card |
| [16:35:31] | sphery: | they should get back to you soon |
| [16:36:20] | npm: | so is a 220 closer power-wise, should i opt for new technology? |
| [16:36:49] | npm: | actual interest is in low power, noiselessness, and powerful enough for regular X use and vdpau |
| [16:37:13] | npm: | with an overclocked opteron 1212 powering it all |
| [16:37:15] | wagnerrp: | the 'power' only matters so far as the deinterlace filters it can perform |
| [16:37:26] | npm: | (which i have along w/ micro atx board) |
| [16:38:27] | npm: | i think the 1212 at 3G is at leasst equivalent to an athlon XP of the same speed |
| [16:39:28] | npm: | i see, so i can get by with less, if i'm willing to put up w/ less-good deinterlace... |
| [16:39:33] | npm: | sounds like a good tradeoff |
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| [16:40:21] | wagnerrp: | a 3GHz dual core AMD will far exceed anything ever produced by the XP line |
| [16:40:26] | wagnerrp: | erm... AM2 |
| [16:41:39] | npm: | yep, and i can run it at stock speed and probably cool it passively (next step after i get it in an htpc case) |
| [16:41:47] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [16:42:10] | npm: | semi-passively (with no cpu fan and win in the case) |
| [16:42:14] | wagnerrp: | passive cooling is full of fail |
| [16:42:15] | npm: | s/win/wind |
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| [16:42:38] | npm: | that's why it's my next next step... probably in a bout a year or so :-) |
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| [16:43:08] | npm: | and i might just buy new hardware istead. (i'm going for the worlds cheapest and most recycled front end) |
| [16:43:19] | wagnerrp: | you have to specially design the case and outside environment to allow for passive convective cooling of anything but embedded hardware |
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| [16:44:08] | npm: | i was going to try a silverstone case with their silent blower which sits right near the cpu cooler |
| [16:44:25] | wagnerrp: | you mean a cpu fan? |
| [16:44:41] | wagnerrp: | if it blows on the cpu heatsink, it is a cpu fan |
| [16:44:43] | npm: | yes, but not the tiny circular kind that make annoying noise |
| [16:44:53] | wagnerrp: | regardless of whether it is actually connected to the heatsink |
| [16:45:01] | npm: | that's what i meant above by "wind in the case" instead of using a cpu fan directly |
| [16:45:19] | npm: | aka use a big fan to blow air with lower-frewquency noise |
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| [16:45:39] | npm: | which is less annoying and perceptible |
| [16:46:17] | wagnerrp: | this is to be a frontend-only? |
| [16:46:37] | npm: | yes |
| [16:46:45] | wagnerrp: | put it in standby when not in use |
| [16:46:49] | wagnerrp: | silent... problem solved |
| [16:46:50] | ** JohnnyJboss shivers at the word SilverStone ** | |
| [16:46:57] | wagnerrp: | JohnnyJboss: oh? |
| [16:46:58] | npm: | front end, and also portable music computer |
| [16:47:08] | npm: | when i need to perform |
| [16:47:26] | wagnerrp: | npm: then youre playing music, and it will drown out any noise made by the machine |
| [16:47:33] | JohnnyJboss: | i had issues with there remote control |
| [16:47:45] | JohnnyJboss: | their |
| [16:48:23] | npm: | yeah and when i play music, i'll also overclock |
| [16:48:44] | npm: | and all the case fans will scream and my softsysnths will purr just the same |
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| [16:49:25] | JohnnyJboss: | it was the iMon pad controller and VFD display |
| [16:49:54] | npm: | oh, i'm not getting any of that crap... just something made of aluminum |
| [16:50:11] | JohnnyJboss: | i was gonna ship it to j-rod actually for debug but decided I might need it for a dev box |
| [16:50:36] | npm: | if i want a temperature monitor, i'll run gkrellm |
| [16:50:37] | npm: | :-) |
| [16:50:49] | JohnnyJboss: | i recommend reading the reviews at silentpcreview .com |
| [16:51:39] | npm: | i did : http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1033-page3.html |
| [16:52:30] | JohnnyJboss: | the case fans in the Silverstone LC-11 where as the review said, a little noisy |
| [16:52:31] | npm: | unfortunately, i can't find one used yet |
| [16:52:33] | npm: | :-) |
| [16:52:52] | npm: | i don't like any LC's |
| [16:53:28] | npm: | GD01, SG02, GD04, Lanbox are what i'm looking at |
| [16:53:38] | npm: | s/GD01/GD05 |
| [16:53:43] | JohnnyJboss: | i had found it on amazon and it was the last 1 they had in stock – which made me leap before looking |
| [16:53:53] | npm: | s/GD04/SG04 |
| [16:54:10] | wagnerrp: | bleh... thats just too big for a frontend |
| [16:54:26] | JohnnyJboss: | it was orig to be an all in 1 |
| [16:54:26] | npm: | i need it to hold full-size music cards too |
| [16:54:33] | wagnerrp: | how many? |
| [16:54:41] | npm: | 1 or 2 |
| [16:54:42] | JohnnyJboss: | i've since ditched that for client / server arch |
| [16:54:46] | wagnerrp: | riser cards |
| [16:55:17] | npm: | too prone to shaking loose when i transport or use for music |
| [16:55:27] | wagnerrp: | no they arent |
| [16:55:36] | wagnerrp: | theyre bolted down just like anything else |
| [16:55:57] | npm: | maybe that'll be for the next get after this :-) |
| [16:57:13] | npm: | if i start messing with riser cards, then i'll just put it in a 2U rack case and use my rack-bag :-) |
| [17:03:11] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if i could rig an LC19 to take a 5.25" drive |
| [17:04:32] | tzanger: | heh |
| [17:04:34] | tzanger: | I have an LC19 |
| [17:04:56] | tzanger: | you could use a slim 5.25 bay maybe |
| [17:05:23] | wagnerrp: | no, i want full size |
| [17:05:37] | wagnerrp: | i want it for a hotswap bay, not an optical drive |
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| [17:09:24] | nixi: | helo |
| [17:12:55] | nixi: | i have a question: im running mythtv @ mythbuntu 9.10 – my tunner card is skystar 2 PCI problem is i cant save in mythtv setup the LNB settings for this card every time i setup it and do finish and go back to check its gone please advice |
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| [18:10:03] | justinh: | nixi: hostname change much? |
| [18:10:42] | wagnerrp: | justinh: randomized on every boot, why? |
| [18:13:00] | justinh: | heh |
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| [18:13:14] | justinh: | that's the problem with them tunners |
| [18:17:00] | nixi: | helo |
| [18:17:54] | nixi: | so is this card one for trash? |
| [18:18:17] | nixi: | would be a Hauppauge Nova-S better? |
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| [18:20:29] | justinh: | if the details aren't being saved, you have a problem with the database, not the tuner card |
| [18:20:34] | highzeth: | nixi: nothing wrong with the Skystar cards, solid work horses, add a decent tuning buffer and they rarely let you down |
| [18:20:58] | porter: | hi #mythtv-users |
| [18:21:18] | justinh: | here comes the bot... |
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| [18:23:42] | justinh: | so nixi, you need to find out why the settings are not being stored |
| [18:23:56] | justinh: | nixi: look in the terminal you start mythtv-setup from |
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| [18:24:47] | porter: | guys I'm just curious, which, in your opinion, are the most remarcable advantages of mythtv in comparision to... say ... VDR? |
| [18:25:14] | wagnerrp: | i dont know anything about VDR to make an informed response |
| [18:25:28] | kormoc: | wagnerrp++ |
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| [18:26:37] | porter: | please, I'm serious |
| [18:26:47] | wagnerrp: | im serious as well |
| [18:26:50] | wagnerrp: | ive never used it |
| [18:27:01] | porter: | anybody else? |
| [18:27:05] | kormoc: | porter: same, I never used/looked at it |
| [18:27:22] | wagnerrp: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_PVR_software_packages |
| [18:27:38] | wagnerrp: | however a lot of the information on that page about mythtv is incorrect |
| [18:27:46] | justinh: | porter: mythtv has client/server architecture. VDR does not |
| [18:27:46] | wagnerrp: | so i would take their information about vdr with a grain of salt as well |
| [18:27:50] | iamlindoro: | MythTV has a much much more powerful scheduler than VDR, a more polished interface, a plugin architecture that allows for a "whole" HTPC experience, a much larger user base, more current development, a web scheduling and administration frontend, and a host of other features that VDR lacks |
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| [18:28:13] | iamlindoro: | As well as a "whole home" client/server architecture that justinh mentioned |
| [18:28:17] | justinh: | oh and VDR's website has pictures of a computer which was new in 1995 |
| [18:28:52] | justinh: | course, I'm strongly biassed. I tried both freevo & VDR before mythtv. I couldn't get either to work |
| [18:29:26] | wagnerrp: | VDR supports up to four cards (i assume an arbitrary limit based on the number of PCI slots) |
| [18:29:43] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has no limits within reasonable scope |
| [18:30:42] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not automatically break your recordings into multiple files (were not living in the 90s any more, our file systems can handle >2GB files) |
| [18:31:33] | porter: | I see, interesting for a start! seriously! sounds reasonable! |
| [18:31:42] | porter: | anything else in your opinion? |
| [18:32:03] | justinh: | plenty, but don't come to a channel like this expecting impartial information ;) |
| [18:32:07] | mrand: | why does this sound like a setup |
| [18:32:18] | porter: | iamlindoro: what exactly is meant by "client/server architecture"? |
| [18:32:31] | justinh: | porter: means you don't have to have it all in one box! |
| [18:32:49] | iamlindoro: | porter: meaning you can have as many systems as you like doing recording, slim systems for just playback, etc. |
| [18:33:09] | iamlindoro: | porter: A distributed architecture that allows you to have as large or as small an installation as you like |
| [18:33:49] | justinh: | also mythtv does not look like ass :) |
| [18:34:22] | JohnnyJboss: | unless you want it to!! |
| [18:34:42] | justinh: | well yeah. themes are available for that. see the wiki |
| [18:35:19] | iamlindoro: | I'm Willi-ing to believe that that's true |
| [18:35:22] | porter: | iamlindoro: I see, what reason exaclty made you chose mythtv instead of VDR? I mean your very own personal reason to do so |
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| [18:35:59] | JohnnyJboss: | is this Guy Smiley? |
| [18:36:03] | highzeth: | power search/scheduling, hands down |
| [18:36:26] | iamlindoro: | porter: I wanted a good looking system that was also capable of categorizing my movies, music, doing web browsing, and other things that VDR does really do, and Myth's handling of TV scheduling is better than anything I've seen |
| [18:36:32] | justinh: | Who the heck is Guy Smiley? |
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| [18:37:10] | JohnnyJboss: | http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Guy_Smiley |
| [18:37:25] | porter: | iamlindoro: I see, thanks for your info, appreciated! anythig else you might add ? |
| [18:37:39] | iamlindoro: | God bless us, every one. |
| [18:37:45] | porter: | :-) |
| [18:37:56] | porter: | halleluya! |
| [18:37:57] | justinh: | JohnnyJboss: heh |
| [18:38:01] | JohnnyJboss: | ::chortle:: |
| [18:38:04] | porter: | thanks again, iamlindoro |
| [18:38:14] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [18:38:16] | justinh: | and everybody else who bothered answering |
| [18:38:22] | justinh: | cheers 'mate' |
| [18:38:27] | porter: | from what I understand so far, the main resons you guys mentioned were mostly "user friendly attributes" |
| [18:38:44] | justinh: | for me, the ability to have it not all in one box |
| [18:38:59] | justinh: | keep an ugly noisy backend in another room :) |
| [18:39:20] | JohnnyJboss: | justinh: your words |
| [18:39:21] | justinh: | big storage with lots of tuner cards in a small quiet box in the lounge? That's not gonna happen |
| [18:39:52] | porter: | I agree shceduling/recording should be comfy enough, in the end this is a PVR ! |
| [18:41:03] | JohnnyJboss: | a strong open source user community is a big plus in my book |
| [18:41:40] | iamlindoro: | Myth has a large, vocal user population, but don't hold that against it |
| [18:41:58] | JohnnyJboss: | hey the dev's aren't that bad either |
| [18:42:02] | justinh: | not sure I'd call the majority of users a 'community' |
| [18:42:29] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Come now, when they all complain as one, that's community for sure ;) |
| [18:42:31] | highzeth: | sure it is, its one giant tea party |
| [18:42:32] | JohnnyJboss: | ok, an angry mob with torches does not a community make |
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| [18:42:45] | iamlindoro: | "Hey, how come the UI changed and it isn't the same as always while still being exactly like XBMC?? |
| [18:42:50] | porter: | :-) |
| [18:43:16] | justinh: | JohnnyJboss: it'd be a shame if they dropped their torches & set fire to themselves |
| [18:43:38] | kormoc: | (OT) Ha! http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2010/04/1 . . . -your-soul/1 |
| [18:43:43] | iamlindoro: | "Hey, how come Myth doesn't work lickity-split on this hardware I bought in 2002 any more?" |
| [18:43:52] | JohnnyJboss: | speaking of villagers and torches, ive got some dev's at work trying to make me actually earn my pay |
| [18:44:37] | justinh: | JohnnyJboss: that's funny, we've had a few guys come in here asking us to help them do their jobs too |
| [18:45:03] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: awesome |
| [18:45:14] | justinh: | kormoc: nice! |
| [18:45:17] | porter: | justinh: you mean this pic here? http://www.tvdr.de/vdr.jpg |
| [18:45:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | it sucks to have a recording in the living room you can't watch in the bedroom. |
| [18:45:26] | JohnnyJboss: | i filed a complaint with the FCC yesterday asking TWC to do their jobs |
| [18:45:37] | JohnnyJboss: | and boy did they return my phone call today! |
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| [18:45:46] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Can't wait until the religious nutjobs start to boycott them ;) |
| [18:46:09] | justinh: | porter: it wasn't the website which put me off, I'll be dead honest |
| [18:46:30] | porter: | it looks quite pre maiga atari and C46 really |
| [18:46:33] | justinh: | but the docs, how I spent a whole night trying to make it do *something* ... |
| [18:46:39] | porter: | pre as in PRE :-) |
| [18:47:13] | justinh: | anyway, is this unofficial survey really going anywhere? we chose mythtv, end of story :) |
| [18:47:16] | porter: | the pic looks like neanderthal computing really, which some would find cool though |
| [18:47:44] | porter: | justinh: sure, and I thought I come to the source to ask this questions, thats all! |
| [18:47:55] | justinh: | everybody's needs are different. if people are still using either project's software it's obviously because it fulfills their needs |
| [18:48:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | the only thing that matters in terms of appearance is the content. The rest is just a distraction. |
| [18:48:07] | porter: | I'll sure give mythtv a try, I just got curious |
| [18:48:27] | porter: | JEDIDIAH__: good point! |
| [18:48:46] | justinh: | JEDIDIAH__: so by that metric, why bother improving the UI at all? |
| [18:48:56] | JEDIDIAH__: | some parts of the UI are functiona. |
| [18:49:00] | JEDIDIAH__: | some parts of the UI are functional. |
| [18:49:10] | JohnnyJboss: | i heard that "Pretty is a feature" |
| [18:49:13] | porter: | again: I heard a lot lately about MythTV so I got curious, and I'll give it a shot the next days |
| [18:49:44] | JEDIDIAH__: | the new default ui for mythvideo has more useful information. just have to fix the 3 panel layout though... |
| [18:50:42] | JEDIDIAH__: | if you actually look at something like Front Row you will notice that mostlly it's pretty plain. Sure cover flow is interesting but that's the main distraction there. |
| [18:51:40] | justinh: | if you can stand to use something like front row with a 6 button remote you have more patience than I |
| [18:51:56] | wagnerrp: | does anyone else find something wrong with that VDR pic? |
| [18:52:04] | JohnnyJboss: | the VHS tapes? |
| [18:52:22] | wagnerrp: | i mean isnt it a _bad_idea_ to put magnetic storage (VHS) right next to big electromagnets (speaker)? |
| [18:52:26] | justinh: | wagnerrp: apart from the VHS, the bad exposure of the photo.. and the fact it has a 7-seg LED display... ? |
| [18:52:41] | porter: | wagnerrp: the pic is quite cool actually |
| [18:52:47] | justinh: | heh maybe they don't care anymore.. they've got a VDR now! |
| [18:53:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | I never said I fancied Front Row. In fact, what I said is that it is mostly not all that. If you actually pay attention to what it's presenting it's not terribly interesting. Although that may be why the AppleTV is going nowhere [snicker]. |
| [18:53:05] | justinh: | porter: aye, all our wives love big ugly black boxes under the teevee |
| [18:53:06] | porter: | the pic is simply a "joke" |
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| [18:53:21] | wagnerrp: | porter: the distributed architecture of mythtv means you dont have to put a big hulking box next to your tv |
| [18:53:23] | JohnnyJboss: | justinh: VDR: magnetic tape media will be a thing of the past |
| [18:53:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | you can take my asrocks over me dead bodies... |
| [18:53:47] | porter: | wagnerrp: yes, true that |
| [18:53:57] | justinh: | JEDIDIAH__: EPGs are dull as dishwater too. and your point? |
| [18:53:58] | porter: | let the box in the basement! |
| [18:54:14] | ** JEDIDIAH__ did not realize that that justin meant REALLY BIG black boxes. ** | |
| [18:54:16] | justinh: | lists of recorded programmes.. lists of music files... |
| [18:54:23] | justinh: | yawn! |
| [18:54:25] | JEDIDIAH__: | EPGs? I haven't used those since about a year into my first Tivo. |
| [18:54:26] | JohnnyJboss: | you could use the VDR to set your TV on |
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| [18:54:39] | porter: | guys, I'm sure the pic on the VDR site is meant to be "funny", I mean , come on! this is 2010 for PVR sake! |
| [18:54:54] | iamlindoro: | porter: That pic has been there for years and years |
| [18:54:56] | wagnerrp: | porter: no, its the same image that has been up there for several years |
| [18:55:04] | justinh: | at least 5 years |
| [18:55:05] | porter: | lol, exactly |
| [18:55:07] | iamlindoro: | porter: It was there in at least 2004 or so |
| [18:55:10] | wagnerrp: | thats the programmer's actual living room |
| [18:55:17] | porter: | make it 1984 |
| [18:55:27] | kormoc: | Magnetic tapes are here to stay! |
| [18:55:31] | justinh: | if I was looking to use VDR now I'd think... "hmmm, they don't put much effort into the website...." |
| [18:55:33] | porter: | :-) |
| [18:55:54] | porter: | where are the BetaMax tapes? right on the other box! |
| [18:55:55] | JohnnyJboss: | justinh: by that logic I'd never want to use LIRC |
| [18:55:56] | ** kormoc switches out cassette tapes every 2.34 seconds to record his h268 1080i ** | |
| [18:56:07] | kormoc: | *h264 |
| [18:56:16] | justinh: | and to be frank there's not much going on on the site to persuade me either |
| [18:56:42] | porter: | iamlindoro: that site hasn't been changed in 20 years (I figure VDR is like 20 years old) |
| [18:57:01] | iamlindoro: | VDR and myth are probably about the same age |
| [18:57:26] | JohnnyJboss: | iamlindoro: old enough to know better? |
| [18:57:34] | iamlindoro: | one would think |
| [18:57:43] | porter: | what else is out there? XBMC? "only" those 3? |
| [18:57:56] | wagnerrp: | XBMC is not a PVR |
| [18:57:58] | iamlindoro: | porter: XBMC isn't a DVR |
| [18:58:01] | wagnerrp: | it is playback only |
| [18:58:09] | JohnnyJboss: | Win MCE |
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| [18:58:16] | porter: | oh! ah! I see |
| [18:58:20] | justinh: | only things which record TV can truly claim to be media *centres* |
| [18:58:32] | justinh: | (IMHO) |
| [18:58:51] | justinh: | well, so long as broadcast media exists |
| [18:59:19] | porter: | nice documentation ! /.../docs looks serious ! |
| [18:59:28] | porter: | lots of stuff |
| [19:00:19] | JohnnyJboss: | seriously, is this a well written bot? |
| [19:00:28] | porter: | which of those 2, MythTV and VDR is asking deeper linux knowledge from the users, for setting everything up etc? |
| [19:00:33] | JohnnyJboss: | i've been gone from IRC for some time |
| [19:00:56] | porter: | JohnnyJboss: why the paranoia? |
| [19:01:09] | justinh: | porter: both require users to RTFM before installing the software |
| [19:01:20] | justinh: | porter: both require users to have a modicum of clue |
| [19:01:33] | porter: | I dig! |
| [19:01:35] | JohnnyJboss: | justinh: or soon there after |
| [19:01:53] | justinh: | http://www.tvdr.de/pictures/AndreasBoettger.jpg whoah. dig the wardrobe under the TV |
| [19:02:10] | JohnnyJboss: | personally, someone held my hand in 2007 when I started running myth |
| [19:02:27] | wagnerrp: | what is that huge box? |
| [19:02:45] | justinh: | hehehe oh boy. some of those photos don't portray people who watch tv in a social environment |
| [19:02:58] | porter: | that look slike some PII FUjitsu/Siemens |
| [19:03:22] | porter: | :-) |
| [19:03:32] | JohnnyJboss: | is it normal to see some vdpau logging about slices and decoding when I pause and un-pause during playback? |
| [19:03:50] | justinh: | porter: back in the day, people used 'full featured' DVB tuners.. basically a set top box on a PCI card. That's what VDR was best at |
| [19:04:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | Markku Virtanen has the same case as my original master backend had... |
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| [19:04:11] | justinh: | but since graphics cards have moved on, and modern CPUs can eat through even HDTV... |
| [19:05:31] | porter: | haha, check out the listings in http://www.tvdr.de/pictures/, most are from 2002/2003/2004 |
| [19:05:32] | JEDIDIAH__: | modern GPUs will eat through HDTV. |
| [19:05:53] | justinh: | OMG the scheduler is based on *timers* ? :-O |
| [19:06:52] | justinh: | aaaanyway |
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| [19:07:22] | JohnnyJboss: | justinh: everyone knows timers are for supporting screensavers |
| [19:08:01] | porter: | I have a question : do you guys have links to some pics, about scheduling mythtv by schedule direct? or similar? |
| [19:08:52] | justinh: | porter: doesn't apply if you're not in the US/Canada |
| [19:09:00] | porter: | some pics would be nice to watch, just curious |
| [19:09:19] | justinh: | porter: and by the T&Cs of SD's contract you're not allowed to reproduce the data elsewhere |
| [19:09:32] | JohnnyJboss: | the camera doesn't LOVE me |
| [19:10:01] | JohnnyJboss: | my therapist and I are working through this |
| [19:10:22] | justinh: | porter: plenty screenshots here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Screenshots |
| [19:11:27] | porter: | justinh: thanks |
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| [19:12:21] | johnnyj: | is that easier to type? |
| [19:12:40] | johnnyj: | it just started looking like gulliver |
| [19:12:50] | porter: | uh oh ah! nice themes indeed! |
| [19:14:45] | porter: | ok guys, appreciat your input, I'll install this the next days |
| [19:15:02] | porter: | justinh: no I'm from Italy |
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| [19:30:26] | johnnyj: | sphery: are you around ? |
| [19:34:34] | johnnyj: | any other dev want to comment on mythuihelper::DoRestoreScreenSaver ? |
| [19:34:41] | johnnyj: | i've got an inquiry |
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| [19:50:29] | trumee: | crap, i am trying to restore my database and getting this error |
| [19:50:42] | trumee: | 'mysql' --defaults-extra-file='/tmp/GKd2XOC9r0' --host='localhost' --user='mythtv' 'mythconverg' ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 1710: Duplicate entry 'Alien?' for key |
| [19:50:50] | trumee: | ERROR: Cannot write to mysql, stopped at ./mythconverg_restore.pl line 1604, <BACKUP> line 1781 |
| [19:51:07] | trumee: | anyway i can overcome this? |
| [19:51:31] | johnnyj: | sounds like a duplicate key constraint |
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| [19:52:01] | johnnyj: | if you comment that line 1710 can you re-run the import? |
| [19:52:43] | trumee: | 1710 in the backup.sql file? |
| [19:54:03] | johnnyj: | I haven't had to admin mysql in a while |
| [19:54:19] | johnnyj: | but it sounds like a duplicate key constraint |
| [19:54:33] | johnnyj: | the point of keys is that they must be unique |
| [19:54:51] | johnnyj: | and somehow this key your trying to insert or create already exists |
| [19:55:09] | johnnyj: | are you restoring over an already full database? |
| [19:55:52] | trumee: | johnnyj: no i dropped the database, before i tried to restore |
| [19:57:09] | johnnyj: | if you go read line 1710 do you understand it? |
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| [19:58:52] | trumee: | INSERT INTO `oldprogram` (`oldtitle`, `airdate`) VALUES ('xxxxxxx') |
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| [19:59:21] | trumee: | it is long list on line 1710 |
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| [20:00:30] | wagnerrp: | trumee: sounds like you are trying to restore to an existing database |
| [20:00:34] | wagnerrp: | one that is at a newer schems |
| [20:01:15] | trumee: | wagnerrp: this is the filename mythconverg-1244–20100415193818.sql |
| [20:01:26] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i created it moments ago |
| [20:01:33] | bendailey: | Is the command line channel scanner functioning in trunk for atsc_vsb8_us? I have done a search through archives and am coming up empty. |
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| [20:02:11] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i did a mysql -uroot -p -e 'DROP DATABASE IF EXISTS mythconverg;' |
| [20:02:22] | trumee: | wagnerrp: and mysql -uroot -p <mc.sql |
| [20:02:38] | trumee: | wagnerrp: and then ran ./mythconverg_restore.pl --verbose --directory /home/mythtv --filename mythconverg-1244–20100415193818.sql |
| [20:03:04] | trumee: | wagnerrp: am i missing something? |
| [20:03:10] | wagnerrp: | any duplicate key issues should have already been passed by 1244 |
| [20:03:18] | wagnerrp: | those came about during the UTF shift |
| [20:03:55] | wagnerrp: | keys that were different, but had characters that didnt map properly between the two text formats |
| [20:04:03] | trumee: | wagnerrp: so is there a way out? |
| [20:04:46] | trumee: | wagnerrp: so my mc.sql is not correct then? |
| [20:04:56] | wagnerrp: | my limited knowledge of mysql/mysqldump says your problem should never happen |
| [20:05:10] | wagnerrp: | you dumped the database, and are restoring back to a clean database |
| [20:05:18] | wagnerrp: | if it worked on the old database, it should continue to work on the new one |
| [20:05:28] | bendailey: | Scan attempt command: mythtv-setup -v record,channel,siparser --scan atsc_vsb8_us 4 DVBInput |
| [20:05:28] | bendailey: | Command output: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1862277 |
| [20:05:38] | trumee: | wagnerrp: yes. i used scripts from here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Backup_your_database |
| [20:05:56] | trumee: | wagnerrp: there used to be mysqldump instructions before but they are gone. |
| [20:07:54] | trumee: | wagnerrp: i have commented out the offending line and trying to do an import. |
| [20:08:10] | trumee: | wagnerrp: ok, it says restore successfull |
| [20:08:30] | wagnerrp: | that 'one line' is an entire table |
| [20:10:23] | trumee: | wagnerrp: will it be a problem if i dont import it into the database |
| [20:10:53] | wagnerrp: | thats your oldrecorded table |
| [20:11:02] | wagnerrp: | thats your record of every recording you have ever made |
| [20:11:04] | kormoc: | Anyone going to LFNW? |
| [20:11:13] | wagnerrp: | without it, duplicate matching will not work |
| [20:11:37] | trumee: | wagnerrp:uh, oh. i dont want to loose my recorded entries :( |
| [20:12:29] | trumee: | wagnerrp: can i selectively delete entries from it. Duplicate entry 'Alien?' for key |
| [20:12:43] | trumee: | wagnerrp: can i delete all Alien i find in that line? |
| [20:13:59] | trumee: | 'Alien?','2009-07–14 14:10:00' |
| [20:14:17] | trumee: | found couple of Alien? in that line, can i delete these entries. |
| [20:15:13] | trumee: | wagnerrp: ok, there are two entries of Alien?, the other one is ('Alien?','2009-08–24 19:00:00') |
| [20:15:32] | trumee: | wagnerrp: can i delete one of this entries? |
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| [20:18:29] | johnnyj: | he said they are for duplicate matching |
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| [20:21:16] | trumee: | johnnyj: so it is ok to delete? |
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| [20:22:11] | johnnyj: | i'm not comfortable telling you that |
| [20:22:24] | trumee: | johnnyj: ok, np. i will try it out |
| [20:23:56] | johnnyj: | WOOT – ScreenSaverXDG just compiled |
| [20:24:05] | sphery: | johnnyj: here now |
| [20:24:22] | sphery: | trumee: I'll agree that you likely didn't properly drop the database |
| [20:25:06] | sphery: | only way mysqldump could create a backup that violates key constraints is if your old database schema differed from the one you're importing into |
| [20:25:29] | sphery: | trumee: is this a partial restore? If so, it can /only/ be done into a blank database--it can't be used to merge databases |
| [20:26:02] | johnnyj: | sphery: is SaveScreenSaver(void) still needed in the new XDG class? |
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| [20:26:11] | johnnyj: | i'm hoping you say no |
| [20:26:38] | trumee: | sphery: no it is a full restore |
| [20:28:41] | trumee: | sphery: DROP DATABASE mythconverg; Query OK, 56 rows affected (0.01 sec) |
| [20:28:49] | trumee: | sphery: isnt that dropping the database? |
| [20:29:21] | sphery: | johnnyj: SaveScreenSaver() is unnecessary unless it's an "API" function--in other words, if it's used by the app classes (like the player) that interact with the screensaver |
| [20:29:37] | sphery: | johnnyj: looking at it, it seems http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ver-null.cpp should be the list of mandatory functions |
| [20:29:42] | sphery: | trumee: yeah |
| [20:29:51] | sphery: | trumee: are you doing an upgrade from 0.21-fixes? |
| [20:30:06] | trumee: | sphery: no, i am not. the database was 0.22 |
| [20:30:22] | sphery: | then it shouldn't be character set corruption... |
| [20:30:39] | sphery: | any chance you can give me a link to the backup? |
| [20:31:05] | trumee: | sphery: i am downloading 0.22 again. maybe my database/mc.sql is not correct |
| [20:31:26] | johnnyj: | sphery: i guessed right |
| [20:31:43] | sphery: | johnnyj: and likely reset will just be empty... |
| [20:31:56] | sphery: | i.e. we don't want to call deactivate ever 50s |
| [20:31:56] | johnnyj: | sphery: im on a roll |
| [20:32:08] | johnnyj: | sphery: and timer is gone |
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| [20:34:30] | sphery: | johnnyj: nice |
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| [20:44:58] | noisymouse: | Hi, I'm having a weird issue with mythtv where it says the schema of the database is newer than my backend and frontend, but I haven't changed any software. Any ideas what's wrong and how I can fix it? |
| [20:45:09] | noisymouse: | > (my setup was working fine just a day ago) |
| [20:45:20] | sphery: | noisymouse: my recommendation is to shut down all frontend hosts, then shut down all backend hosts, then boot master backend, then individually boot other backends and frontends |
| [20:45:51] | sphery: | there's an issue with the *buntu upgrades where it doesn't always restart things properly--and in almost all cases I've seen people have been running a different version than they thought until they actually rebooted |
| [20:46:16] | sphery: | (I'm guessing you're on *buntu just based on the question you're asking and the fact that their upgrade seems to cause that) |
| [20:46:43] | noisymouse: | sphery: hmm well I'm using gentoo and haven't upgrqaded, but I'll try shutting down all backends/frontends (I still have one frontend connected to the database) |
| [20:47:26] | trumee: | sphery: i was able to import the database successfully, by commenting INSERT INTO `people` (`person`, `name`) VALUES |
| [20:47:57] | trumee: | sphery: everything seems to be good. i have my recordings, and i only care about those :) |
| [20:48:23] | sphery: | noisymouse: if that's the case, you may have old libs still in place |
| [20:48:24] | trumee: | noisymouse: i am with gentoo as well. |
| [20:48:39] | noisymouse: | sphery: but I didn't upgrade recently |
| [20:48:53] | sphery: | well, something changed recently |
| [20:49:03] | sphery: | whether you did it or your system did it |
| [20:49:23] | sphery: | what specific versiosn are you seeing? |
| [20:49:30] | noisymouse: | sphery: the only thing was I was doing weird things with my hostname and brought down my internet connection yesterday which triggered the backend to close |
| [20:50:22] | sphery: | the actual error message would tell me more about what may have happened |
| [20:50:25] | noisymouse: | I'm using version .21_p186505 |
| [20:50:45] | sphery: | the db schema versions I meant |
| [20:50:47] | sphery: | in the error message |
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| [20:51:11] | noisymouse: | sphery: where do I find that? |
| [20:51:40] | noisymouse: | it just says "The schema version of your existing database is newer..." without saying versions |
| [20:51:40] | sphery: | in the error message that told you the schema of the database is newer than your backend and frontend |
| [20:51:51] | sphery: | look in the log files... |
| [20:52:11] | sphery: | or just pastebin the logs |
| [20:52:18] | noisymouse: | in /var/log/mythtv? |
| [20:52:23] | sphery: | likely |
| [20:53:12] | noisymouse: | sphery: it doesn't seem to list the version numbers |
| [20:53:33] | sphery: | can you pastebin the log file |
| [20:53:46] | sphery: | the portion from when you start your backend until it shuts down |
| [20:56:08] | noisymouse: | sphery: ok one sec |
| [20:57:41] | noisymouse: | sphery: here's the log http://pastebin.com/jG9BBvuX |
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| [21:00:36] | sphery: | noisymouse: I think that's socket errors causing the different processes to be unable to communicate properly |
| [21:00:58] | sphery: | noisymouse: first recommendation would be to shut down everything, then bring up the mbe then once it's running bring up the rest |
| [21:01:31] | sphery: | note, also, that you're getting You probably should modify the Master Server settings in the setup program and set the proper IP address, so if your hostname changed (very bad) or you IP address changed (not too bad), you'll need to fix that |
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| [21:02:01] | sphery: | if the hostname changed, you /might/ be able to fix it now with http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend , but it might be too late (so make sure you create a good backup /before/ you try) |
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| [21:02:55] | noisymouse: | sphery: ok, it looks like the hostname issue was went wrong then |
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| [21:09:16] | noisymouse: | sphery: can I just back up my channel table, delete the database, recreate the database, and then restore the channel table? |
| [21:09:40] | sphery: | noisymouse: the channel info is the least restorable |
| [21:09:55] | sphery: | you can only properly restore it if you do a full database restore |
| [21:11:48] | sphery: | your best bet is to fix the hostname issue... if you get an error about duplicate keys (which is likely since you didn't change the hostname before starting programs), you should backup the DB, drop the DB, run mc.sql, start mythtv-setup, exit mythtv-setup, do a partial restore, do a hostname change for all hostnames that have changed (to fix recording locations), then start mythtv-setup and configure the backend, then start ... |
| [21:11:54] | sphery: | ... other backends/frontends and reconfigure them |
| [21:11:56] | sphery: | noisymouse: ^^^ |
| [21:12:35] | noisymouse: | sphery: ok |
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| [21:14:54] | noisymouse: | thanks for the help |
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| [21:31:32] | johnnyj: | i'm having trouble getting http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dummy_Tuner to work |
| [21:32:38] | johnnyj: | the Card Type 'MPEG-2 encoder' is telling me it 'could not open /var/lib/mythtv/' when i try to point it at an mpeg file |
| [21:34:06] | johnnyj: | and that card type says IVTV MPEG-2 |
| [21:34:15] | johnnyj: | i assume that's still the same |
| [21:35:39] | iamlindoro: | johnnyj: file:/path/to/a/file |
| [21:38:38] | johnnyj: | blech : innaproprial ioctl for device? |
| [21:39:28] | johnnyj: | is it really just 1 forward slash in the transport? |
| [21:40:12] | johnnyj: | hmm – i'm putting the "file:/" in there and goto finish and then re-open it and it's gone again |
| [21:40:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Did you see Samsung's list of don'ts for 3D TV? Maybe this will help kill 3D TV. http://www.samsung.com/au/tv/warning.html |
| [21:40:56] | sphery: | johnnyj: you will get some errors... The setup UI wasn't modified to allow setting that up |
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| [21:41:14] | sphery: | if you want to do up patches to fix it, I'll make sure they get in |
| [21:41:57] | johnnyj: | i suppose i asked for that |
| [21:42:03] | sphery: | :) |
| [21:42:20] | johnnyj: | i need watch tv working in some osrt of stubbed mode so I can test the scraver |
| [21:42:44] | johnnyj: | do i need to hack the gibson? |
| [21:44:06] | ** skd5aner demands that myth do native 3D playback, regardless of which display is used ** | |
| [21:44:11] | skd5aner: | ;D |
| [21:44:16] | kormoc (kormoc!~kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | |
| [21:45:01] | ** sphery modifies Myth with a new setting "3D mode" that puts "D D D" across the screen ** | |
| [21:45:28] | iamlindoro: | Whoah! |
| [21:45:48] | iamlindoro: | You know how I love triple-d's on my TV |
| [21:45:54] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:45:55] | johnnyj: | careful near the stairwell with that |
| [21:46:14] | sphery: | and, don't enable the setting if you're pregnant |
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| [21:46:36] | skd5aner: | or planning on being pregnant anytime soon |
| [21:46:47] | sphery: | and don't enable 3D mode if you've imbibed too much bacon vodka |
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| [21:47:16] | skd5aner: | I love vodka (drink of choice) and I love bacon (ham of choice) – but that sounds discusting |
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| [21:48:20] | sphery: | ask kormoc about it... I think he's the guy on the label |
| [21:48:42] | iamlindoro: | He's not just the president, he's also a client |
| [21:48:49] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:48:50] | skd5aner: | haha |
| [21:50:03] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [21:50:14] | kormoc: | it makes a great bloody mary |
| [21:50:34] | skd5aner: | I've had the pepper vodka in a bloody mary before, not too bady |
| [21:50:46] | sphery: | would actually be kind of good for making scrambled eggs |
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| [21:51:08] | kormoc: | Bacon infused Bourbon is also hawt these days |
| [21:51:18] | kormoc: | use in classic manhattans |
| [21:52:36] | skd5aner: | around, it's sweet tea infused vodka which is drink of choice (warning, quirky country, jug band song on the intro page) – http://www.fireflyvodka.com/ |
| [21:53:10] | skd5aner: | s/around/around here |
| [21:54:07] | skd5aner: | I like it alright, but seems to fly off the shelves |
| [21:58:59] | JEDIDIAH__: | too much free time... too much disposable income... |
| [21:59:36] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i dont get the channels with 'triple Ds' on my cable subscription |
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| [22:00:27] | JEDIDIAH__: | does anyone here use vlc? |
| [22:00:42] | JEDIDIAH__: | does anyone here use vnc? |
| [22:00:54] | ** JEDIDIAH__ has video on the brain, imagine that... ** | |
| [22:02:17] | ** wagnerrp has vnc installed, and is using it right now ** | |
| [22:03:00] | johnnyj: | sphery: do you think I can edit the capturecard table to get the dummy tuner in there? |
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| [22:03:14] | johnnyj: | if i'm not mysql inept? |
| [22:03:32] | johnnyj: | if the limitation is in the setup program (which i understand is going away) |
| [22:03:43] | JEDIDIAH__: | does vnc seem remarkably slow to you? On my setup it is and I am wondering if I am doing something wrong and might be able to "fix it". |
| [22:03:43] | sphery: | it may work without editing... ignore the errors |
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| [22:03:57] | wagnerrp: | JEDIDIAH__: what are you trying to do? |
| [22:04:07] | sphery: | if not, then you'd probably have to insert info directly |
| [22:04:11] | johnnyj: | when i launch frontend all tuners are busy with no active recordings |
| [22:04:23] | JEDIDIAH__: | Mac running the server and linux running the client. Using the Mac desktop. |
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| [22:04:36] | sphery: | I set mine up long ago, but it's not working, now (but I think that's because of changes to my channels) |
| [22:04:40] | wagnerrp: | all on the local network? |
| [22:04:50] | wagnerrp: | what data format are you using? |
| [22:04:54] | JEDIDIAH__: | mac to mac didnt' seem terribly peppy either. |
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| [22:05:00] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...all local. |
| [22:05:03] | wagnerrp: | ideally you would use raw or hextile, with no compression |
| [22:05:14] | mihanson: | how can I get mythtv's scheduler to prefer the first showing of a program? |
| [22:05:14] | JEDIDIAH__: | ok... I will keep that in mind. |
| [22:06:08] | wagnerrp: | mihanson: it will always record the first showing, unless you have another higher priority recording that overrided it in that time slot |
| [22:06:12] | sphery: | mihanson: disable "Reschedule Higher Priorities" |
| [22:06:22] | mihanson: | using 0.23-fixes when I schedule a daily news show (record once daily) it keeps trying to record the later showing even though there is no conflict in the earlier timeslot |
| [22:06:38] | sphery: | mihanson: and make sure you /never/ ever use any Channel or Card Input priorities |
| [22:06:47] | GrahamIRC: | is the later showing just after midnight? |
| [22:07:03] | mihanson: | sphery: where is "Reschedule Higher Priorities" ? |
| [22:07:05] | sphery: | Channel and Card Input priorities are evil that way |
| [22:07:14] | mihanson: | GrahamIRC: sometimes but not always |
| [22:07:19] | sphery: | frontend settings under TV Settings|General |
| [22:07:26] | mihanson: | sphery: thx |
| [22:07:36] | GrahamIRC: | just thinking that the showings after midnight would be the first of the day |
| [22:08:16] | mihanson: | Is "Reschedule Higher Priorities" new for 0.23? I did not have this issue with 0.22 |
| [22:08:58] | wagnerrp: | no, there have been no significant changes in the scheduler for several releases |
| [22:09:00] | iamlindoro: | No. Literally nothing has changed in the scheduler between .22 and .23 |
| [22:09:33] | sphery: | mihanson: been there since before the dawn of time |
| [22:10:52] | jams: | sphery- know of a good way to pick out how many "good working and setup tuners" are present in a mythbox |
| [22:11:07] | skd5aner: | I believe that setting has been there for years |
| [22:11:12] | mihanson: | sphery: I don't see "Reschedule Higher Priorities" under TV Settings|General |
| [22:11:21] | jams: | guess they don't have to be working..just not ghost tuners that don't exist any more |
| [22:11:36] | sphery: | jams: in code or out? best way is likely the backend status page or the approach it uses with the encoderlink |
| [22:12:00] | jams: | could be either, but out of code is preferred |
| [22:12:12] | sphery: | if you mean you have some defined ones that you need to delete because they're old, the only approach I ever use is Delete all capture cards |
| [22:12:20] | mihanson: | sphery: found it under Set Recording Priorities |
| [22:12:21] | sphery: | which requires literally seconds of reconfigure |
| [22:12:32] | sphery: | mihanson: ah, sorry... got moved |
| [22:12:37] | jams: | sphery- basiclly just looking for a way to report back the number of tuners installed |
| [22:12:59] | jams: | it may not be common but my mbe has like 20 tuners defined..but only 5 are real |
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| [22:13:28] | jams: | however the status page reports all 20 |
| [22:13:31] | sphery: | I have no idea how the backend status handles multirec, but I'd think it wouldshow them all |
| [22:13:38] | sphery: | heh, guess so |
| [22:13:51] | jams: | oh these aren't multirec..just old tuners handing around |
| [22:14:02] | jams: | some of the type file:// |
| [22:14:59] | jams: | eh i can just use the backend status page, not ideal but it would work |
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| [22:19:59] | jams: | http://www.aberdeeninc.com/lp002/ <= is it just me or does that guy scream "I don't understand a thing i'm saying, but will sell it to you anyhow" |
| [22:20:00] | johnnyj: | gotta go |
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| [22:21:24] | wagnerrp: | jams: in that case, just delete all and recreate |
| [22:21:57] | SirColin: | can i play x264 files with mythbuntu 9.10 outta box ? i have no audio |
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| [22:23:38] | jams: | wagnerrp- i don't care about the tuners themselves, just using it as an example of tuners that are not valid but would still get counted as installed tuners when reporting back the number of tuners installed in any given system. |
| [22:23:54] | jams: | i guess it's probably going to fairly rare..so shouldn't worry about it for now |
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| [22:26:53] | JEDIDIAH__: | install vlc, xine or mplayer. |
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| [22:30:27] | SirColin: | thanks as far (i will check)as i know mplayer should be installed as is vlc can i not play them via myth frontend? will changing the internal player to mplayer help |
| [22:31:47] | wagnerrp: | SirColin: no such thing as an x264 file |
| [22:31:56] | JEDIDIAH__: | the internal player should handle h264 files just fine. |
| [22:32:37] | JEDIDIAH__: | subtitles and such might be gnarfled but the basics should be fine. |
| [22:32:37] | wagnerrp: | SirColin: are you talking about some file you found with 'x264' in the name? |
| [22:32:58] | SirColin: | i guess that part of my problem but i think upgrades may have stepped on my config |
| [22:33:20] | wagnerrp: | upgrades for what? |
| [22:34:17] | SirColin: | i run some updates the other day that have been sitting for a while, now and im see some things not working now |
| [22:34:42] | SirColin: | im sorry if im being vague ! |
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| [22:37:34] | SirColin: | for example wagnerrp apt-get install mplayer (which was installed) the last time you and i spoke, is not there now ! i will check everything now |
| [22:39:36] | SirColin: | in media setting – video settings – player settings the default player is internal im sure this has been set to mplayer in the past is that what it needs to be now ? |
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| [23:01:03] | mihanson: | Just wanted to report I figured out my scheduling problem. It turns out that the early showings of my program are NOT marked HDTV (even though they are) and the latter showings are. In "Recording Priorities" I knocked "HDTV Recording Priority" down to zero and everything works as I want now. |
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| [23:01:33] | darkdrgn2k: | any one here runnign mythtv with Express Vu? |
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| [23:02:53] | mihanson: | thanks for getting me thinking. |
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| [23:08:26] | darkdrgn2k: | ? |
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| [23:13:31] | sphery: | heh, abqjp just made me realize that I forgot to look into the patch I promosed ThisOtherGuy I'd look at. |
| [23:13:34] | sphery: | then I realized the one I promised to look at wsa not the one I thought it was |
| [23:14:37] | sphery: | ThisOtherGuy: So, I said, "I'll look at the patch later tonight or tomorrow... I doubt those will help with the HDPVR recordings exiting early, though, based on further info from abqjp." It turns out that #6719 isn't the patch I thought it was so it would help. |
| [23:14:51] | sphery: | I think you've figured that out, though, based on the comments on the tickets. :) |
| [23:14:58] | sphery: | anyway, sorry for the confusion |
| [23:15:43] | abqjp: | :) |
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| [23:16:47] | sphery: | abqjp: and thanks for looking into it ;) |
| [23:22:26] | abqjp: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8261 and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7925 would both probably be fixed by http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6719 — even if it just because #6719 would hide the problems. |
| [23:23:58] | Jester05: | hey guys |
| [23:24:30] | Jester05: | so.. still can't seem to find an EE job out west :( .. I never would have gone thru the years of college if I wasn't going to land a job after I graduated.. |
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| [23:25:47] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp, That was my conclusion as well |
| [23:26:48] | iamlindoro_: | Jester05, Every job I've ever found has been through social connections. If you want to be somewhere, move, take a job doing something that will pay the bills, join a social or charitable group, make friends, and see what they can help you find |
| [23:27:04] | iamlindoro_: | And don't ask them about jobs the night you meet them ;) |
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| [23:28:02] | iamlindoro_: | If you are not good about social environments or in public, now is an excellent time to learn, since it'll differentiate you from every other entry-level drone ;) |
| [23:29:11] | Jester05: | lol true |
| [23:29:29] | Jester05: | so you're saying I should spend the last $3000 I have and try to get a job flipping burgers in colorado? |
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| [23:30:12] | iamlindoro_: | Well, it may go against conventional wisdom, but getting what you want is often a leap of faith |
| [23:30:33] | iamlindoro_: | find roommates on craigslist, have something that will pay the bills lined up, then start making friends quick |
| [23:30:46] | Jester05: | yeah you're probably right |
| [23:31:03] | Jester05: | but how would I even go about getting a "common job" lined up for out there |
| [23:31:19] | Jester05: | I kind of doubt the local Lowe's commonly hires people from out of state |
| [23:31:53] | Jester05: | tho I do agree just moving there would make it easier to land a job |
| [23:32:00] | iamlindoro_: | If you're worth giving a job, you can find a not-great-but-ok one in a week :) |
| [23:32:22] | iamlindoro_: | Home Depot, Lowes, Starbucks, whatever-- just because it's not what you want doesn't mean it can't be pleasant |
| [23:32:27] | Jester05: | I'm looking at CO, AK, OR, CT, NC, TN, MA, .. everywhere lol |
| [23:32:59] | Jester05: | yeah true.. It'd just be hard to work for less than what I am now lol |
| [23:33:29] | iamlindoro_: | People everywhere work at those jobs and get by. You won't be a high roller, but you'll survive long enough to make some connections |
| [23:33:40] | iamlindoro_: | I can't overstress the "join a large social organization," though |
| [23:34:18] | iamlindoro_: | you aren't going to find the job of your dreams at Home Depot, but you might in a charitable group, church, volunteer organization, etc. |
| [23:34:19] | sphery: | like facebook? :) |
| [23:34:22] | iamlindoro_: | ha |
| [23:34:47] | Jester05: | lol |
| [23:35:03] | Jester05: | yeah.. I'd prob join a backpacking group out there once I got there |
| [23:35:22] | iamlindoro_: | Speaking only for the places I have worked, "Oh, he's $fellowEmployee's friend" is a huge advantage |
| [23:35:57] | iamlindoro_: | Just be aware that there are a lot of people out here looking for work who already have those connections, so it may take some time |
| [23:36:20] | Jester05: | yeah true.. this job market has certainly not helped matters |
| [23:36:31] | iamlindoro_: | Ergo Home Depot, which will get you medical, rent with roommates, and gas money :) |
| [23:36:48] | Jester05: | and I've got 4.5 yrs of experience in the building design industry.. just recently started looking for jobs out west within that industry |
| [23:36:57] | iamlindoro_: | But my experience has been if you want to go west but wait for the long arm of the job to reach out and grab you from across the country, it'll never happen |
| [23:36:59] | Jester05: | ideally I'd like to get a job more computer oriented |
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| [23:38:27] | Jester05: | I dunno, I need to do something tho. I want out of Ohio pretty bad |
| [23:38:36] | Jester05: | I either want to move west or north east |
| [23:39:58] | Jester05: | I have an offer from the company I've been interning with.. $57k / yr with a 45 hr work week and profit share |
| [23:40:15] | iamlindoro_: | That's a pretty good offer for the midwest-- a damn good offer, actually |
| [23:40:32] | iamlindoro_: | It's not west coast money but it's not west coast living expense either |
| [23:40:36] | Jester05: | yeah but its not exactly what I want to do nor where I want to live :-\ |
| [23:41:15] | Jester05: | building design just seems to have gotten boring for me |
| [23:41:43] | Jester05: | tho the last year I was there I pretty much told them I needed to go back to working like the other co-ops do |
| [23:41:55] | Jester05: | I was going to meetings and stuff all the time but it got in the way of school |
| [23:42:18] | Jester05: | I was skipping classes often for meetings with owners and contractos |
| [23:42:23] | Jester05: | contractors* |
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