Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, April 14th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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edomeda:

I'm doing what you asked, trying different themes and tell you.

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iamlindoro:

It's not a matter of being thought out better-- Arclight was designed for 1920x1080 and for what it's worth, looks fine to me

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iamlindoro:

(at its correct resolution)

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edomeda:

Did you go into program schedule, then edit schedule options, and look at the dupe detection items?

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iamlindoro:

yep

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edomeda:

I can't read the end of the options

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edomeda:

1920x1080 is the same as 2560x1440

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iamlindoro:

Looks fine here *shrug*

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wagnerrp:

edomeda: why not turn off compiz?

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edomeda:

wagnerrp, that's not the issue really, I can run it in a window 1920x1080 and it still does it

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edomeda:

I have a screenshot

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edomeda:

dup scope is cut off

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mazda01:

do i have to run jamu.py all the way in interactive mode so it fills in all the tmdb and imbd numbers before I can run it in non-interactive mode?

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Azelphur:

tyvm guys, scan completed, all the missing channels are now found :)

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wagnerrp:

mazda01: in non-interactive mode, JAMU will only fill vidoes for which it can find an exact match or for which there is already an inetref specified

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wagnerrp:

all other content, you either need to do manually from within mythvideo, or manually with JAMU's interactive mode

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iamlindoro:

edomeda, this is what happens when text strings are obscenely long, as those are among the longest in the whole UI-- you'll just need to live with it, it's easy to intuit what it is if a few letters are cut off

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mazda01:

wagnerrp, is inetref the imbd and tmdb numbers?

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dfletcher:

hahaha nice http://i44.tinypic.com/21mg1lf.jpg <- vreg + IR receiver + 9v + stereo jack = poor man's remote control sniffing oscilloscope :)

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wagnerrp:

tmdb and ttvdb numbers

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wagnerrp:

imdb is no longer used

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** dfletcher can play music with his various remotes **

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edomeda:

iamlindoro, maybe if you know what they all do. But even still, ... when you've got to pick between say 3 choices that all say, "My Movie Name: ..." where the ... is most important, kind of frustrating

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iamlindoro:

edomeda, Don't know what to tell you other than to say if you don't think it's right, you are welcome to author your own theme and submit it

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edomeda:

not sure how you'd handle them, maybe a popup, maybe scrolling, I don't know.

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iamlindoro:

Ooh, definitely let us know when you've got scrolling textareas done

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edomeda:

My opinion is that it's myth issue, as it affects all the themes I've tested.

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iamlindoro:

We thank you for your opinion, and we'll route it to our manager immediately

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edomeda:

are you a myth dev? Or some other reason you've got such an attitude about this? From the start you could have just said there is a problem with long strings. Or told me there isn't code to handle that yet.

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edomeda:

I've got no problem helping out, even patches/themes.

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iamlindoro:

Yes, I am a myth dev, and as I have explained, it looks fine to me. If you want the strings to animate or be cut down in the other direction then there isn't code for that yet.

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dfletcher:

heh it's funny the various pitches these remotes make played through my PC speakers. hauppague is slow and low. sony high pitched and squeaky. directv sends two signals on vol +/i so it's got this 1–2 sound :P

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iamlindoro:

I further explained that if you're unhappy with it, it's all done in the theme and that you are very welcome to author your own

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iamlindoro:

encouraged, even.

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mazda01:

wagnerrp, there's no way to tell jamu to just select the default when it can't find an exact match, i can always correct the ones later? so what does it do in non-interactive mode when it gets to one that has more than 1 choice?

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wagnerrp:

mazda01: if there is more than one choice, it gives up and goes on to the next

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mazda01:

ok

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edomeda:

Look, myth is great program. But being able to admit it's broken or lacking in an area shouldn't cause you get that kind of attitude. I'd be happy to help fix the problem as I enjoy myth and OSS. But I think the devs (you included) should have or need to talk about how you want to fix long text strings.

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nichos:

hi all, has anyone reported high RAM usage when using myth .23? http://pastebin.com/u9Fym3Cg

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iamlindoro:

edomeda, I'll add that one to the suggestion box

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edomeda:

I'd hate to spend time writing code for you guys to say, nah, not what we had in mind for dealing with strings.

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RDV_Linux:

mazda01: How good is your file naming conventions? I ask as there is the -MG (guess) option which allows jamu to guess at the right TV series or movie. It till guess wrong sometimes and skips a video when there are multiple options.

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mazda01:

RDV_Linux, ok, thanks

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iamlindoro:

edomeda, Frankly, I haven't been rude-- a little flip at worst. The opinions and rantings of random new users over *extremely* trivial issues (real or imagined) is weighted pretty low.

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RDV_Linux:

mazda01: Are you running trunk or 0,23? If you are then there is a fast interactive mode -MR option, It focuses just on mussing reference numbers and is fast than the -MI option. After running -MR then run -M to actually get the images and meta data.

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iamlindoro:

edomeda, Especially when those users haven't looked under the hood to see how many moving parts tehre are to manage-- I said it twice already but for posterity, I'll say it again. Looks fine to me here. There are lots of places that could be better, but in this case, especially in Arclight, it looks fine from where I sit-- and getting worked into a tizzy does nothing to increase the value of your opinion wth me

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edomeda:

iamlindoro, I'm not in a tizzy, I asked why fon't settings didn't work, then asked why I couldn't read long strings, and then did what you asked by telling you which themes had issues for me. As I said, I don't mind writing code to help, but I need a little direction as to how the "devs" as a whole want to solve it. I can think of a few ways just off the top of my head.

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iamlindoro:

edomeda, Either of the ones you mentioned would be fine-- animate the strings or reverse cutdown. Both is even better

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** dfletcher patents his remote sniffing gadget **

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dfletcher:

http://i41.tinypic.com/2nip4q9.jpg :)

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sphery:

dfletcher: so, with that I could actually smell something that's not close to me?

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sphery:

edomeda: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ links to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Coding_Standards

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edomeda:

sphery, on http://www.mythtv.org/support, Developer Documentation takes me to http://www.cuymedia.com/mythtv-trunk/, and coding standards http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Index.php/Coding_Standards is empty.

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sphery:

there, fixed

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sphery:

thanks for pointing it out

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dfletcher:

oh heh sweet and it's just plain old RC5. cool I think I can knock up a USB blaster now :)

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dfletcher:

I really want to build that directv fob gadget but heh you know, producing circuit board and all it'll take me a month at least

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skd5aner:

So.. ready to format a 2TB drive for recordings, what opinions are there on what filesystem to use?

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skd5aner:

my other recording drives are XFS, stick with that or something else

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dfletcher:

heh I invented a gadget that unexpectedly restarts windows :P

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** dfletcher carefully unplugs it and places it in a drawer **

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Azelphur:

dfletcher: isn't that like reinventing the wheel?

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dfletcher:

hehehe

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skd5aner:

seems XFS or JFS is still recommended a lot, danielk likes XFS, guess I'll stick with that

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edomeda:

sphery, yw, thanks for the working link

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dfletcher:

hmm I should probably insulate this thing better. or maybe it was that audio card o-scope software. that was a bit shady.

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dardack:

hi can anyone help me, i have an older nvidia 5500 card in my backend, only the 173 drivers work for this, i just upgraded to 9.10 mythbuntu, .22 mythtv, and now mythbackend is complaing it can't find the libvdpau.so.1 library

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wagnerrp:

the recent drivers should still provide support for that card

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wagnerrp:

and mythbuntu is now compiled against the recent drivers

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wagnerrp:

you must have libvdpau installed, or compile your own version of mythtv from source

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dardack:

so don't follow nvidia's recommendation to install 173, just install 195?

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iamlindoro:

That said, if you can't get off that driver, it should be possible to compile your own with no vdpau support

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dardack:

can you install libvdpau installed on an older chipset (ie if it never makes use of it for a frontend/vdpau profile?)

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iamlindoro:

You could probably install the library/header and not use it, but honestly the #mythbuntu guys will know their packages best, neither wagnerrp nor I use them

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wagnerrp:

the latest 195 series claims to still support the FX line of cards

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wagnerrp:

oh, nevermind...

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wagnerrp:

it supports the Quadro FX cards

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wagnerrp:

not the geforce FX

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iamlindoro:

We can only definitively tell you that you could compile your own without vdpau support and it ought to work fine with your present driver

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dardack:

ok ty

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wagnerrp:

you are correct, 173 is the last driver to support the FX series

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dardack:

ty thought so, i know mythbuntu has an apt-get install nvidia-185-libvdpau but it says it's already installed, but i can't find the library

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dardack:

and if i remove it it wants to remove all of mythtv (web/video/etc)

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iamlindoro:

dardack, what about packages with no nvidia reference?

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dardack:

i can't find one

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iamlindoro:

libvdpau, libvdpau0, libvdpau1, or whatever

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dardack:

yea i know i searched

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iamlindoro:

apt-cache search vdpau ?

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iamlindoro:

k

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iamlindoro:

then yo'll have to ask in #mythbuntu

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dardack:

yea i joined ubuntu-mythtv

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dardack:

we'll see

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dardack:

i guess i could use the nv drivers to get around this, but once in awhile i do watch video on the backend

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tzanger:

ok

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tzanger:

that new reebok shoe commercial has nothing but great asses in it

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tzanger:

I am going to turn off commercial skip on myth

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dardack:

woot

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dardack:

ok i found some guy who does repo's

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dardack:

http://www.avenard.org/media/Ubuntu_Repositor . . . ository.html

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dardack:

and he had libvdpau1

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dardack:

aand now mythbackend is running

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dardack:

just incase this is archived and anyone has same issue

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hads:

Is there a way to re-bind i to m but only in the watch recordings screen? The change in 0.23 is going to be difficult for me to push, especially since it's different between that and mythvideo.

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hads:

Or an alternative solution.

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wagnerrp:

how are they different?

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wagnerrp:

'm' is for management tasks, 'i' is for additional info

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hads:

In watch recordings you get an information screen with no actions. In mythvideo you get a menu with play, mark as watched, etc.

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hads:

(for i that is)

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hads:

I guess the main thing is that the watched functionality is used quite a bit here and having it in two different "places" is confusing.

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spacex:

I have a slave backend with a local frontend that starts when the system starts (using mythbuntu) and every time the computer restarts, i get the config screen

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wagnerrp:

if you get the config screen, it means you cannot find the file that points you to your database

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wagnerrp:

or you cannot connect to the database it was given, and its asking for the proper credentials to access it

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spacex:

hmmm, ok ... so I would guess the latter, since when I exit out of the mythfrontend instance and start it again, it connects just fine ...

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Linux000:

Anyone know how to update the database schema? Mythfrontend refuses to connect. Thanks

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wagnerrp:

Linux000: mythfrontend will not upgrade your database scehma

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hads:

Except the plugins

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wagnerrp:

you have to let the backend or mythtv-setup do that for you

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spacex:

is there a way I can delay mythfrontend starting on login (in mythbuntu)

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Linux000:

wagnerrp: Okay, I thought the last version tried to, so then, how do I?

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wagnerrp:

spacex: this is a remote frontend, so your master backend and sql server are on a different machine?

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hads:

You can use --upgrade-schema

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wagnerrp:

no, dont do that

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wagnerrp:

if your backend is not upgrading the schema, something is wrong

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wagnerrp:

dont force things

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spacex:

there is a remote master backend, and a local slave backend ... I believe the frontend is connecting to the local backend

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wagnerrp:

spacex: no, its connecting to the database, and failing... which is why that screen is poping up

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spacex:

ok, so the remote database ...

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wagnerrp:

do you allow your master backend (and sql server) to shut down?

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spacex:

not often ... it is staying online throughout this process

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wagnerrp:

is it possible your backend is offline, which is why the frontend cannot connect?

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wagnerrp:

hmm...

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spacex:

is there a way I can tell which backend and/or database the frontend is connected to?

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wagnerrp:

Linux000: you recently updated, have you yet restarted the backend?

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wagnerrp:

spacex: the frontend connects to the database as defined in ~/.mythtv/config.xml

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wagnerrp:

the database then points it to the master backend

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Linux000:

wagnerrp: yes, I am running 0.22

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wagnerrp:

the only reason it would ever connect to the slave is to stream a recording off of it

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wagnerrp:

Linux000

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wagnerrp:

Linux000: you just upgraded to 0.22? or you are upgrading from 0.22 to 0.23?

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Linux000:

wagnerrp: I have upgraded to 0.22

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wagnerrp:

and you have restarted your backend since?

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Linux000:

Yes

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wagnerrp:

and the backend is currently running?

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Linux000:

yes

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wagnerrp:

it didnt complain that the update failed, and shut down?

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Linux000:

no

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hads:

I guess there's no way to re-bind the keys. I'll use a local patch I guess.

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wagnerrp:

is this the primary schema it is complaining about? or one for one of the plugins?

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spacex:

ok, so the things configured in .mythtv/config.xml is the master backend information

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wagnerrp:

s/master backend/database/

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spacex:

:-) right

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Linux000:

wagnerrp: The primary, my remote frontend tells me the schema is way out of date and quits, the frontend here tells me everythings fine,(might not be updated, but I think it is?)

[02:26:30]

wagnerrp:

what are the two revision numbers it gives you?

[02:26:47]

wagnerrp:

it should give you the current revision, and the one it actually wants

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Linux000:

through mythbackend --version?

[02:27:53]

wagnerrp:

no, when you run mythfrontend, it pops up an error

[02:28:34]

Linux000:

It just tells me, (schema is 10 verisons behind)

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wagnerrp:

run 'mythfrontend --version'

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wagnerrp:

im guessing you somehow managed to install 0.23

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Linux000:

You're right, I put Mythbuntu 10.04beta, and have .22 on the backend, opps

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Linux000:

Thanks for the help

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pelandrit:

still trying yo make work all my remote keys in mythtv but is impossible, in irrecord all works but it seems lirc ignore completely the remote and the configuration files, some key work because they work even wiithout lirc daemon

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pelandrit:

but it seems all i try to fix lirc is absolutely useless, nothing changes

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** sphery considers watching LOST--just because iamlindoro can't, yet **

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iamlindoro:

GRR

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sphery:

heh, thought that was GDIAF

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wagnerrp:

GDIAPC?

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sphery:

If iamlindoro /really/ loved Hugo, he would have flown to the east coast to catch the episode earlier.

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wagnerrp:

c'mon sphery, bring them spoilers

[02:39:18]

sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

SPOILER WARNING!!! 45 minutes in, dumpbledore dies

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wagnerrp:

erm... wrong universe

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sphery:

SPOILER WARNING!!! The first commercial after the LOST flies in is for an iPad!

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iamlindoro:

Darth Vader is Luke's father!

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sphery:

what? I haven't seen that movie, yet. Thanks.

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wagnerrp:

the hidden picture is a schooner

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pelandrit:

i tried dozens of configurations in hardware.conf and in lirc.conf and in lircrc

[02:43:48]

pelandrit:

the most funny thing is that when i use irw to test the remote i obtain the buttons actions in the console, not the buttons names

[02:44:02]

pelandrit:

any clue?

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sphery:

button actions?

[02:44:17]

sphery:

what do you get in the console?

[02:44:24]

sphery:

(specifically)

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iamlindoro:

now you asked for it

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pelandrit:

yes, for example if i press the "9" button appears a 9

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sphery:

no long pastes, please :)

[02:45:06]

pelandrit:

or if a press OK, the console adds a line

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sphery:

pelandrit: so that means you're not using LIRC

[02:45:34]

sphery:

you're using the kernel's input drivers which make the remote act like a keyboard

[02:46:03]

pelandrit:

sphery: yes, it seems so but lirc daemon is running and i think well configured

[02:46:11]

iamlindoro:

It's not :)

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sphery:

but gets nothing because the kernel gobbles up the event /long/ before it gets to lirc

[02:46:23]

iamlindoro:

the daemon might be running, but it's not properly configured

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sphery:

so blacklist the kernel's evil driver

[02:46:43]

iamlindoro:

or use lirc in /dev/input mode

[02:46:59]

sphery:

or if you're using the lirc input driver, then configure the driver properly

[02:47:12]

sphery:

we said that in the opposite order...

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pelandrit:

well to who of both must i trust first?

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iamlindoro:

Trust us both, we agree with each other

[02:47:35]

sphery:

we said the same thing... we just said the options in opposite order

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sphery:

either option works

[02:47:53]

sphery:

which is best is subjective

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pelandrit:

which is easyer?

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sphery:

LIRC isn't supposed to be easy :)

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iamlindoro:

both end in you having to configure LIRC properly, so neither is easier

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pelandrit:

well, i last about 1 week reading lirc documentation, i think lirc is properly configured, what did i wrong?

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iamlindoro:

You didn't do the things we said to you above :)

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iamlindoro:

namely you didn't configure LIRC for /dev/input mode, or you configured it for its native LIRC driver but didn't blacklist the kernel input driver for it

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pelandrit:

and how can i know which is the kernel driver?

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iamlindoro:

no idea, but will probably require some googling

[02:53:16]

sphery:

starting with lsmod and then googling each module you don't recognize

[02:54:36]

pelandrit:

perhaps it would be easyer to me to buy another ir receiver. some easyer to configure

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sphery:

most are about the same for configuration

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sphery:

you have to figure out whether to use the kernel driver or LIRC native driver, then configure appropriately

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pelandrit:

there is no ir receiver that works "out of the box" in mythbuntu?

[02:56:48]

pelandrit:

i'm realy tired, that's a hell

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iamlindoro:

any use of a receiver on linux is going to require some lirc configuration

[02:57:38]

iamlindoro:

that said, there are a whole bunch that you should just be able to pick from mythbuntu's list and have it configure automatically for you

[02:57:56]

iamlindoro:

I know for a fact that the mceusb receiver can be plugged in, you pick it from a list, and you'er done

[02:58:18]

iamlindoro:

But since you're probably 20 mintues of informed work from having the one you own already work, I'd just finish the job

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pelandrit:

iamlindoro: messing with kernel drivers is "lirc configuration", i think i can configure lirc pretty well now but the solution you are telling to me is no configure lirc

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iamlindoro:

huh?

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iamlindoro:

We've given you two possible solutions, both of which are probably a half dozen commands to get working

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iamlindoro:

either will work

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iamlindoro:

and since you say you're an LIRC master now, you can just configure it for /dev/input mode :)

[02:59:46]

iamlindoro:

then it'll be 100% lirc configuration

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iamlindoro:

or you can blacklist the kernel input driver for it, and if you're as good at configuring LIRC as you think you are, then it should already work

[03:00:10]

pelandrit:

half dozen commands that will take probably half dozen days to me to find

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iamlindoro:

None of this is our fault, I don't know what more we can do besides tell you exactly what's wrong and how to fix it

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iamlindoro:

(which we did)

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pelandrit:

exactly?, the most "exactly" i read it was " will probably require some googling"

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iamlindoro:

to determine the name of the module for your specific hardware, yes, you will need to use google

[03:03:15]

iamlindoro:

are you always this rude to the people who are trying to help you?

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pelandrit:

but there is hundreds of modules and i don't know the kernel, that would be moths to me

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sphery:

pelandrit: did you at least do an lsmod and glance over it

[03:04:26]

sphery:

you know what capture card you have... you know some of the chips it's using...

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pelandrit:

sorry, i don't want to be rude but please, don't say exactly

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sphery:

and--believe it or not--kernel module names are actually pretty descriptive

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dougt:

anyone using two firewire cableboxes around?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: flashback!

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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pelandrit:

well, and the name of the "lirc input driver" and how to get it?

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sphery:

lost... deja vu

[03:08:32]

pelandrit:

or also requires some googling?

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dougt:

sphery: LOST is on tonight... that means I have 51minutes to debug. :-)

[03:09:23]

sphery:

dougt: heh, I'm watching it already

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sphery:

you westerners are /sooo/ 3hrs ago

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dougt:

DAMN you easterners.

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dougt:

:_)

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dougt:

btw, they are all dead, right?

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pelandrit:

http://pastebin.com/ZJETgVML <--- can somebbody give me a clue on which modules must i search in google?

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sphery:

pelandrit: http://tinyurl.com/y3ekqb4

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sphery:

#

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sphery:

ir_kbd_i2c 8336 0

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pelandrit:

very funny

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sphery:

almost like that could stand for "infra-red keyboard I2C"

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pelandrit:

thanks sphery

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pelandrit:

it's only one module or can be more?

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sphery:

generally one

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pelandrit:

and do you know the name of the "lirc input driver" and how to get it?

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sphery:

for now just blacklist ir_kbd_i2c, reboot, and see if lirc works

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pelandrit:

isn't enought with unload ir_kbd_i2c?

[03:19:24]

pelandrit:

i ran modprobe -r ir_kbd_i2c and now none key of remote works

[03:19:45]

pelandrit:

it seems it was that the module

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sphery:

pelandrit: things have to be started in the right order

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pelandrit:

now i suppouse i need to install the lirc input driver but in documentation only say how to use it, not how to install

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sphery:

the easiest way to do that--if you don't know the distro configuration from the lowest level--is to reboot

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sphery:

blacklist the module and reboot

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pelandrit:

ok, i reboot

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sphery:

and you /either/ the kernel module and the lirc input driver --or you blacklist the kernel driver and use the LIRC native driver

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pelandrit:

mm. blacklist, i don't remember how

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sphery:

/etc/modprobe.d/ something or other with blacklist ir_kbd_i2c

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sphery:

or google ubuntu blacklist kernel driver

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pelandrit:

of course

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Beirdo:

aloha

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i think you stopped a bit short to say that

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Beirdo:

OK, I gotta change the timezone on my linode sometime

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Beirdo:

yeah, I know

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wagnerrp:

although seattle probably isnt far off from straight between PR and HI

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Beirdo:

nah, HI is quite a ways south

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Beirdo:

a straight line would hit like Siberia

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wagnerrp:

you think so?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

I think so

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Beirdo:

I'm probably off by a ways though :)

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wagnerrp:

why can i never find google earth when i want to...

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

well i was closer than you... straight shot through seattle puts you in indonesia

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Beirdo:

that can't be right

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Beirdo:

PR->Seattle->Indonesia?!

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Beirdo:

Indonesia's below the equator

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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Beirdo:

draw a line from PR to Seattle, you will be above the equator the whole way. how do you end up down there?

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Beirdo:

You'd hit either Siberia or the panhandle of Alaska, I'm pretty sure

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Beirdo:

dunno what yer lookin at :)

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Beirdo:

you starting in Greenlan?

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Beirdo:

Greenland rather

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Beirdo:

anyways...

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wagnerrp:

http://www.wagnerrp.com/images/ge_images/

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JohnnyJboss:

sphery: when do you sleep?

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sphery:

JohnnyJboss: the plan is to actually get to sleep at a reasonable time tonight

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JohnnyJboss:

sphery: the good news is calling the WinId() function later on returns a more accurate value, as we suspected/hoped

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JohnnyJboss:

progress is being made

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sphery:

great

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: ^^^

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pelandrit:

well, in that page http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/faq.html#lircd it says i must load the evdev module to get ircd running but there is no such module, the web says "is part of the linux input layer", the question is, must i recompile the kernel?

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sphery:

pelandrit: I take it the native lirc driver for your remote didn't work? (or that you had configured it for the input driver so disabling the kernel driver didn't help)

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Beirdo:

bah, that's cheating

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wagnerrp:

what is cheating?

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Beirdo:

straight line means a constant heading :)

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wagnerrp:

no, straight line means a straight line

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

technically... its a curved line

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wagnerrp:

but thats besides the point

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Beirdo:

quit redefining my redefinition :)

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sphery:

a straight line from PR to Seattle and continuing on would put you in space, then, right?

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JohnnyJboss:

yikes – too deep for me

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Beirdo:

?!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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pelandrit:

sphery: i dont' know what "native lirc driver" is, i answered 3 times and al i get it was a google seach, well i found this web in that search, no you say that web is wring, WHAT THE HELL IS "native lirc driver" PLEASE

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you would end up in geostationary orbit above Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems

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Beirdo:

and it would tunnel under most of thhe USA too

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pelandrit:

now* wrong*

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wagnerrp:

'native lirc driver' means one that ships with the standard LIRC package

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: OK, I concede the point... IF you use great circle...

[03:58:36]

Beirdo:

heh

[03:58:55]

Beirdo:

my earth is flat

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Beirdo:

so meh :)

[03:59:56]

Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

on an unrelated not, that point in indonesia is almost on the exact side of the world as PR

[04:00:25]

wagnerrp:

so technically, flying in any direction out of PR, you would eventually end up there

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pelandrit:

sorry, now i read almost all my sentence was wrong

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iamlindoro:

pelandrit, You need to calm down and be courteous, please, or you will be leaving

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iamlindoro:

I don't care about your poor english, I do care about your poor behavior

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: should nuke it then

[04:01:03]

iamlindoro:

I understand that you are frustrated, but if you can't act politely, then...

[04:01:03]

wagnerrp:

just to be sure?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

Deadliest Catch time

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wagnerrp:

who is rated to fly the dropship?

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pelandrit:

can somebody please please please what "i dont' know what "native lirc drivecan somebody tell me please please please what "native lirc driver" is?

[04:02:18]

wagnerrp:

pelandrit: i told you what that means

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wagnerrp:

pelandrit: it means a driver that is shipped with the standard LIRC package

[04:02:45]

wagnerrp:

theres like 30 of them

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sphery:

pelandrit: looks like with the WinTV HVR-1110, you want the lirc input driver, so unblacklist the module and reboot, then find the right /dev/input node, then put the right info in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf

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pelandrit:

wagnerrp: that driver is a module?

[04:03:14]

** sphery has done enough googling for an issue that isn't his own **

[04:03:18]

wagnerrp:

yes, one that you have to 'modprobe'

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wagnerrp:

or more likely

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wagnerrp:

your system will do it for you as long as you have it in the proper place

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pelandrit:

sphery: i can assure you i did that and don't work

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iamlindoro:

then you did it wrong

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wagnerrp:

wow... Aliens was produced for ~$35M in today-dollars

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pelandrit:

wagnerrp: and the name of the module is...?

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sphery:

pelandrit: you don't want a lirc native driver with that card

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wagnerrp:

how should i know... i havent been paying attention to the conversation to even know what device youre trying to use

[04:06:28]

iamlindoro:

And if he had, it is not his responsibility to be your google slave

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sphery:

As Mulder would say, "The truth is out there." Just use Google to help you find it.

[04:07:07]

wagnerrp:

man... just imagine how boring the X-Files would have been if google were out there

[04:07:17]

sphery:

heh

[04:07:38]

sphery:

someone should do a remake--with Google/YouTube/Twitter/...

[04:07:50]

iamlindoro:

they are, it's called Fringe

[04:07:55]

sphery:

find the truth in like 3 episodes

[04:08:02]

wagnerrp:

the lone gunmen and their webrings just arent the same

[04:08:52]

wagnerrp:

wtf does 'SUu' mean?

[04:09:06]

Beirdo:

bleep bleep

[04:09:21]

Beirdo:

Gotta love bleeping Deadliest Catch

[04:09:56]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2010-April/068168.html

[04:10:01]

pelandrit:

wagnerrp: sorry, do you mean that thing you call "native lirc driver" is not only one driver but much of them?

[04:10:32]

wagnerrp:

yes, there are dozens of 'native lirc drivers'

[04:11:01]

pelandrit:

wagnerrp: and how can i know which must i use?

[04:11:15]

iamlindoro:

google

[04:11:22]

pelandrit:

of course

[04:11:47]

pelandrit:

sorry but this is funny

[04:11:51]

wagnerrp:

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=130129

[04:11:57]

wagnerrp:

first item on the search

[04:12:17]

sphery:

which seemed to indicate that there's no native lirc driver for the IR on the HVR-1110, because it's new enough that the support for the input driver was already there by the time the card came along

[04:12:24]

wagnerrp:

i could have lmgtfy'd for you, but i couldnt remember the syntax

[04:13:06]

sphery:

where that howto is using the input driver

[04:13:38]

sphery:

but it's more fun to just keep asking people until someone gives the answer you want

[04:13:49]

iamlindoro:

or until you catch a ban

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wagnerrp:

!lmgtfy HVR-1110 LIRC

[04:14:30]

wagnerrp:

hmm...

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: bug to report! no response to that from beirdobot

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i think its broken

[04:15:58]

Beirdo:

tis not a feature :)

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pelandrit:

every step i take i discover i make 10 more google searches just to understand what i'm reading, after some steps i discover i make wrong steps, now sphery say "you don't want a lirc native driver with that card" but it was he that said about "lirc native driver" at first, and now i discover is not "native driver" but "dozens of 'native lirc drivers'" , is really funny

[04:16:33]

wagnerrp:

makes sense to me

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iamlindoro:

yes, your ability to blame others because computers are hard is funny

[04:16:55]

wagnerrp:

a driver is used to support a single product, or maybe a family of products

[04:17:10]

wagnerrp:

there is more than one family of ir receivers to use with LIRC

[04:17:15]

wagnerrp:

hence there are multiple drivers

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wagnerrp:

certainly someone didnt just write a single serial port driver and say 'thats it, LIRC is finished, thats all the code well ever need forever'

[04:18:15]

pelandrit:

wagnerrp: that one about the bugs means there is no point in trying to make work te receiver by the moment?

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wagnerrp:

pelandrit: what that page is telling you is that the ir receiver gets recognized by linux itself as an event thrower

[04:19:15]

wagnerrp:

so you use the generic event driver in lirc

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wagnerrp:

to listen to the input events from that device

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sphery:

wpw

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sphery:

good lost

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wagnerrp:

there is no special lirc driver, as there does not need to be a special lirc driver for that device

[04:20:18]

pelandrit:

wagnerrp: sorry, what is "generic event driver" is also a family of drivers?

[04:20:51]

wagnerrp:

it is the LIRC driver designed to receive input from /dev/input/<whatever>

[04:21:09]

wagnerrp:

i gleaned this much by looking at that page for 15 seconds

[04:21:15]

wagnerrp:

you should be able to make your way through it

[04:21:26]

wagnerrp:

you should at least TRY before asking for additional help

[04:21:49]

wagnerrp:

and when you do need further help, try in #lirc, or maybe #your-distro

[04:21:57]

wagnerrp:

this channel is really intended for mythtv support

[04:22:15]

wagnerrp:

which would mean how to get mythtv working with your remote after you already have 'irw' throwing events

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pelandrit:

wagnerrp: don't you think a week enought "TRY before asking for additional help"?

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iamlindoro:

pelandrit, So now we should just hammer on you while you treat everyone here rudely? No. Maybe you should take a break and come back when you can be a human being.

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wagnerrp:

did you read that forum post?

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pelandrit:

wagnerrp: i followed 2 or 4 times that instructions in that debin howto, all i didn't was compile lirc because there is a recent version or lirc in canonical repos

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wagnerrp:

specifically starting where it says 'setting up ir remote to watch digital tv'

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pelandrit:

wagnerrp: i did it, may times

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wagnerrp:

did you find the event node?

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pelandrit:

wagnerrp: yes, i've used that one and dozens of other "DEVICE" examples i found in hundreds of webs

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pelandrit:

nothing works

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wagnerrp:

and you ran 'evtest <dev node>', hit a couple buttons on the remote, and got some garbage on screen?

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somethinginteres:

I'm looking for some help getting a Compro T300 to work with myth. I am trying to follow the instructions at: http://www.overclockers.com.au/wiki/MythTV_Ha . . . ybrid_tuners but I can't complete Step 2 as the file it asks me to run does not exists at that location

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wagnerrp:

somethinginteres: before you go off compiling your own v4l/dvb modules

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wagnerrp:

have you tried the in-kernel ones already?

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dougt:

i am sad that I couldn't get two comcast firewire boxes working before LOST started. i fail. :(

[04:36:14]

wagnerrp:

no digital tuners to run as a backup?

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pelandrit:

wagnerrp: sorry, yes, i obtain some codes when i press buttons in remote with evtest but in mythtv some of that buttons don't work

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dougt:

i backed my changes out before it started.

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somethinginteres:

I have not. Basically I'm a linux n00b – especially when it comes to hardware

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wagnerrp:

pelandrit: every one of the buttons you press causes some garbage to be printed to the screen?

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wagnerrp:

somethinginteres: just 'modprobe saa7134', and see if the necessary dev nodes show up

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pelandrit:

wagnerrp: well, do you want i test all the buttons?

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somethinginteres:

ok

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wagnerrp:

pelandrit: i want you to test the buttons that you claim do nothing in mythtv

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somethinginteres:

ah.. there's nothing returned at all

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tank-man:

nothing means it worked

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wagnerrp:

when you run modprobe, you hope it returns nothing

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somethinginteres:

ok :)

[04:38:58]

wagnerrp:

anything it would return would be an error

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pelandrit:

wagnerrp: yes, all that buttons make garbage in evtest

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wagnerrp:

now do you have anything in /dev/dvb?

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wagnerrp:

pelandrit: now run 'irw'

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wagnerrp:

and see if those buttons produce responses from lirc

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somethinginteres:

I have the folder adapter0 with various files such as frontend0 inside it

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wagnerrp:

somethinginteres: then the card is working

[04:40:21]

somethinginteres:

probably from my failed attempts to get the card working earlier

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wagnerrp:

follow the instructions in the myth docs to set up a digital tuner card

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somethinginteres:

roger

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somethinginteres:

thanks

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pelandrit:

wagnerrp: in irw as i said i get the actions of the buttons, not the name of them and some buttons of also works in mythtv don't do anything like for example the button "pause", perhaps because the action "pause" have no sense in console

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pelandrit:

wagnerrp: when i said this before sphery said "you're using the kernel's input drivers which make the remote act like a keyboard" and that's the reason i was trying to use the "native lirc driver" instead

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pelandrit:

now really i don't know what to do because the same sphery says "you don't want a lirc native driver with that card", is very funny

[04:48:31]

pelandrit:

well i want to think is funny because if i think really in it i think i would start to cut my veins

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iamlindoro:

pelandrit, If you don't calm down, and I mean right now, I'm going to kick you out of this channel

[04:48:50]

iamlindoro:

Act like an adult, or you are gone

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iamlindoro:

We gave you general advice, until you forced us to do your googling for you and determined that your specific device needs to use the dev/input driver

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp just proved that it works fine, and you have simply failed to follow the directions at the above link carefully

[04:51:19]

iamlindoro:

Now calm down, take a deep breath, and follow the directions above CAREFULLY.

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wagnerrp:

pelandrit: if irw receives those buttons just fine, then you just need to set up lirc in mythtv

[04:51:53]

wagnerrp:

and that debian thread provided the lirc script to do so

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wagnerrp:

if youre only getting some of the buttons to work, then you need to fix that lircrc

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pelandrit:

iamlindoro: please wich "directions" you mean?

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iamlindoro:

the ones in the debian thread

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pelandrit:

iamlindoro: i said i followed that howto 3 or 4 times without success

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wagnerrp:

pelandrit: did you put that lircrc file in ~/.mythtv/lircrc?

[04:54:20]

wagnerrp:

if you have, then the lircrc file is partially broken, and you need to fix it

[04:54:25]

wagnerrp:

if you have not, then you need to do so

[04:54:38]

wagnerrp:

and then you need to disable that input from the evdev module in X

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, he doesn't know what he's talking about-- he's pressing keys in irw and the actual keypresses are going through

[04:55:13]

iamlindoro:

meaning he has failed to do even the lircd.conf/lirc setup steps

[04:55:24]

iamlindoro:

ie he presses 3 and sees one character-- 3

[04:56:02]

iamlindoro:

so yeah, pelandrit, you may have tried to follow the instructions in the debian thread, but you failed to follow them closely enough and missed something.

[04:56:26]

pelandrit:

iamlindoro: and how can i know where i failed?

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iamlindoro:

Start at "3) You'll need to configure two files: lircd.conf and hardware.conf. To save time getting these files, copy, paste & save the text below as lircd.conf and hardware.conf respectively:"

[04:56:41]

iamlindoro:

what you probably did wrong is that you failed to modify those files for your specific setup

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pelandrit:

iamlindoro: you can trust me that i have trid dozens of combinations of that configuration files 3 or 4 times each, can everything been wrong?

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wagnerrp:

if youre just blindly editing files as you seem to, yes

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iamlindoro:

pelandrit, I cannot trust you because so far, your information has not been accurate

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iamlindoro:

And all we can do is guess about what you did wrong, but what I am sure of is that you missed something in the instructions

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pelandrit:

well, i'm not very clever but after a week reading i think i know how that configuration files works

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iamlindoro:

I'm sorry, but you don't.

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iamlindoro:

If you want to show that you do, then you should write out what you do, including pasting the output of each command, and what you put in each file... it will probably be fairly simple to see what you did wrong.

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iamlindoro:

start with "1) Testing the IR remote."

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iamlindoro:

run each command, and paste the contents of all the files you edit to a pastebin

[05:01:20]

iamlindoro:

then we'll tell you what you are doing wrong

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iamlindoro:

I mean I want to see all the console output, contents of all the files, *everything*

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pelandrit:

iamlindoro: thanks, i can do that for sure, if you can help i will thank you

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pelandrit:

iamlindoro: http://pastebin.com/pBZZqJnQ the remote is the last device

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pelandrit:

iamlindoro: an output of evtest http://pastebin.com/kLAFVGjp

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pelandrit:

iamlindoro: i have lirc server already installed, must i reinstall it?

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iamlindoro:

no, skip to "Open two terminal, in the first,"

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pelandrit:

go to step 3?

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iamlindoro:

No, skip to the words I wrote

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pelandrit:

iamlindoro: output of lircd command http://pastebin.com/x3QhKnrg and output of irw http://pastebin.com/wkd4KjiF

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pelandrit:

isn't the same when i run irw with the daemon launched

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iamlindoro:

so your init script is broken

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iamlindoro:

leave lircd running in that terminal and try running myth

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iamlindoro:

then test your remote

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pelandrit:

iamlindoro: the same than always, only detects some buttons

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pelandrit:

iamlindoro: are tou there? what is wrong?

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pelandrit:

iamlindoro: thanks for your help

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pelandrit:

iamlindoro: finaly i found a solution here http://www.chumy.net/?p=73 now it works fine, all buttons work, irw works fine with lirc daemon

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pelandrit:

iamlindoro: it seems nobody here had even a remote idea o what was the problem but everybody laughted of how idiot i was and suppoused i did it everything wrong, well, thank you for your menaces to kick me, for your suppoused "intention to help", at the end everything seems it was empty prepotency and willing to have a good time laughting of a noob user, thank you again

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wagnerrp:

help me... help me... why are you not helping me... help me faster... now... now

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dfletcher:

can anyone recommend a well supported (hopefully low cost) NTSC PCIe capture card? I'd upgrade to DirecTV/HD but finding a composite or HDMI capture card seems even harder than PCIe/NTSC

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wagnerrp:

none exist

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dfletcher:

none what? HDMI cards?

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wagnerrp:

NTSC PCIe

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dfletcher:

:/

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wagnerrp:

thats not true

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wagnerrp:

there are a handful

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wagnerrp:

but theyre all framegrabbers

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wagnerrp:

which you dont want to use

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dfletcher:

what does the average DirecTV user use?

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wagnerrp:

the HVR-1850 and HVR-2250 are the only two PCIe cards with hardware encoders

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wagnerrp:

the former works under linux but not mythtv

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wagnerrp:

the latter does not have drivers

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wagnerrp:

(they have digital support, but not analog)

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dfletcher:

yeah I have a 1250 here same situation

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wagnerrp:

other options are a HVR-1600 (digital + analog PCI)

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dfletcher:

digital support – but not the right kind

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wagnerrp:

or an old IVTV card like a PVR-150 or PVR-500

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wagnerrp:

or you can go HD and pick up an HDPVR

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wagnerrp:

but those dont come cheap

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wagnerrp:

and theyre USB

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dfletcher:

wow so pretty much DTV users are screwed. frame grab or nothing

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** dfletcher cries **

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wagnerrp:

no, you just get older PCI cards

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dfletcher:

no, I don't. I just bought a mini-itx with PCI-e

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wagnerrp:

or, you seem to know your way around hardware pretty well

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wagnerrp:

you can try your hand at drivers

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dfletcher:

heh newegg does list an option. not hauppauge of course ;) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815122010

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dfletcher:

and terrible reviews

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wagnerrp:

its a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

assuming its even supported under linux

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wagnerrp:

i know a number of other cx23885 cards are

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dfletcher:

hmm I think the plan has to be: get a $30–40 framegrabber for now, let bank account heal a bit, then get an hd-pvr. that thing is sweet.

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wagnerrp:

no old machines lying about?

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dfletcher:

yeah I suppose that's another option. move the receiver into my server closet

[07:13:07]

wagnerrp:

then just pick up a ~$20 PVR off ebay

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edomeda:

where are the audio options for ac3 pass-through/etc on myth 0.23?

[07:14:40]

wagnerrp:

same place they were in 0.22

[07:15:28]

edomeda:

I thought they were under SETUP, Audio, but I don't have that

[07:16:09]

wagnerrp:

setup, general, 4th page

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edomeda:

my general only has 2 pages

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edomeda:

database settings

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wagnerrp:

thats two pages of database settings

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wagnerrp:

keep going

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edomeda:

maybe the theme changed/renamed it?

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edomeda:

doh, my bad. I read 1/2 and thought that was it.

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edomeda:

thanks again wagnerrp

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blagjfgffjads:

I'm having some real trouble getting this Compro T300 set up it doesn't want to detect all channels and the picture quality is rather poor. Kaffiene was able to detect all channels and the quality was fine. Not sure where to go from here...

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wagnerrp:

blagjfgffjads: what type of card did you add it as?

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wagnerrp:

what was the path you gave it to the card in mythtv-setup?

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blagjfgffjads:

well there was various options let me just confirm my selection

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blagjfgffjads:

I selected 'MJPEG capture card' just b/c it was the only one to provide any response re: finding channels etc

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wagnerrp:

im fairly certain you dont have an mjpeg capture card

[07:26:02]

wagnerrp:

you do have a v4l capture card, but you shouldnt have used that one either

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wagnerrp:

you want the 'DTV' capture card

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wagnerrp:

'DVB DTV Capture card'

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wagnerrp:

it should autodetect the card at /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

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blagjfgffjads:

I did try that setting first but it didn't work for me for some reason but I will give it another quick go and let you know what happens

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blagjfgffjads:

I just keep getting "timed out, no signal"

[07:29:27]

blagjfgffjads:

that is, when trying to scan for channels

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wagnerrp:

what parameters did you use when trying to scan?

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blagjfgffjads:

used frontend0 for input Desired Services: TV Scan Type Full Scan and AU for the counry

[07:30:47]

blagjfgffjads:

used frontend0 for input Desired Services: TV Scan Type Full Scan and AU for the country

[07:32:16]

blagjfgffjads:

ah sorry for the double response there :)

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wagnerrp:

how did you record with kaffeine? just tune the channel? or did you have to scan and create a channels.conf first?

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blagjfgffjads:

I scanned for channels in the TV settings

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blagjfgffjads:

it didn't work before I did that

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blagjfgffjads:

it was: Television->Channels then I just pressed "Start Scan" and the list was populated no problem the "Source" was "Terrestrial" if that helps at all..

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justinh:

knowing the tuner works (i.e. trying kaffeine) is always a good step to take to eliminate unknowns :)

[07:41:10]

blagjfgffjads:

yeah :)

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justinh:

in some circumstances there are still issues with mythtv's own channel scanner. in australia some areas use relays which do not modify the tables broadcast containing frequency information & guess what.. mythtv believes what's in those tables

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blagjfgffjads:

hmm – handy hey? :)

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justinh:

e.g. a relay could be transmitting another station which is on another frequency, so its tables would contain that frequency information.. and would then be no use to mythtv subsequently because the local relay isn't on that frequency

[07:44:25]

justinh:

but, nobody has filed a ticket for this, and there's only anecdotal evidence to go on so far. so...

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blagjfgffjads:

ah, right

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blagjfgffjads:

and no workaround as such?

[07:45:01]

blagjfgffjads:

no way to manually add channels or something?

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justinh:

yeah there is, but it would require manual db/setup manipulation

[07:45:25]

justinh:

so. your problem is that you don't get all channels you're supposed to?

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justinh:

as for the picture quality being different.. this is digital TV we're talking about here

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blagjfgffjads:

ah.. partly yes but I think it is something "bigger" than just that perhaps

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justinh:

well maybe you're in an area with its own local relay rebroadcasting a different frequency

[07:46:54]

justinh:

or a number of them even

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justinh:

and myth is actually tuning to the original which is too far away to be received properly

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blagjfgffjads:

I guess anything is possible

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justinh:

but when you're talking about picture Q, it's important to be specific

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justinh:

when you say 'poor' do you mean it's very blocky & generally jumpy... or ....?

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oobe:

i live in a bad reception area in melbourne australia and i find makeing a channels.conf with dvb-utils then getting mythtv-setup to use that helps

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blagjfgffjads:

like staticy

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justinh:

staticy?

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justinh:

you mean the picture is grainy ?

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blagjfgffjads:

like white fuzz

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justinh:

that doesn't sound very mucy like *digital* TV to me

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justinh:

*much

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blagjfgffjads:

yeah this was when I used MJPEG as source

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justinh:

so you're comparing apples with oranges

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blagjfgffjads:

oh yeah I mean at this point it was just to see if -anything- worked

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justinh:

what you need to do, as you've already been told, is set the tuner type as DVB in mythtv-setup

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blagjfgffjads:

I understand mate, I have now done that but I get no channels using that setting

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justinh:

describe what you did please

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blagjfgffjads:

OK

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justinh:

infact if you could do it again, describing what mythtv-setup does in response to that it'd help

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justinh:

the first port of call is the FULL SCAN.

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blagjfgffjads:

no problem I can do that

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dfletcher:

hah wagnerrp these conexant chips don't exactly have datasheets, more like brochures. I don't think I can code to a brochure ;)

[07:53:05]

justinh:

you should see it go through a range of frequencies (channels – not TV channels but RF channels)

[07:53:22]

wagnerrp:

dfletcher: i wasnt saying you touch one of those cards

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dfletcher:

maybe if I ask reeeeeeaaaal nice they'll send me a sheet :)

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blagjfgffjads:

when you say "in response" do you mean what is printed to the terminal or just any error thrown within the GUI?

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wagnerrp:

i was suggesting if you wanted analog on PCIe

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, oh I have a 1250 I thought you suggested coding up a driver for it

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justinh:

blagjfgffjads: yeah just what it says in the gui

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wagnerrp:

you look into fixing whatever the issue is with the 1850

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dfletcher:

well yeah :P

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to use a framegrabber for analog

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dfletcher:

and I need to know about the controller

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blagjfgffjads:

ok

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justinh:

blagjfgffjads: and before we go any further you *have* told mythtv-setup which part of the world you live in, yes?

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wagnerrp:

the 1850 supports analog under linux, theres just some protocol issue with it that breaks mythtv

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blagjfgffjads:

I do believe so yes – I can always re-run any initial setup that I may have missed

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, oh? oh heh in that case maybe I can look into this

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dfletcher:

I thought it was deeper

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wagnerrp:

how deep it actually goes, i have no idea about the details

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dfletcher:

this page says no support in linux at all http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1250

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wagnerrp:

no, not for the 1250

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wagnerrp:

but as mentioned, its a framegrabber

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blagjfgffjads:

my location is set correctly in all the general settings etc

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justinh:

blagjfgffjads: I don't know about australia, but in the UK the channel scanner uses our country preference and/or frequency table settings to judge what parameters to use for the scan

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wagnerrp:

you wouldnt want to use it for analog in mythtv even if it were supported

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, heh well the thing about it is I own one and have it in front of me ;)

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blagjfgffjads:

yeah I think it does the same here

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dfletcher:

bird in hand and all

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive got one in my basement

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blagjfgffjads:

so I confirmed it was set to AU

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blagjfgffjads:

now I have removed all capture cards from the list

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dfletcher:

heh maybe I can return it to newegg

[07:57:13]

blagjfgffjads:

and umm I'm just adding the Compro again

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justinh:

blagjfgffjads: so in a full scan from the channel scanner.. it'll go through a range of frequencies trying to get a 'lock'. it'll wait for a period of time (which can be changed in the capture card options) for a 'lock' then move to the next frequency

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blagjfgffjads:

OK

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justinh:

a lock btw, is when the tuner card's electronics manage to resolve a data stream from that particular frequency

[07:59:09]

blagjfgffjads:

right

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blagjfgffjads:

So in "Capture Card Setup" I have selected card type being 'DVB DTV capture card (v3.x)"

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justinh:

goodo

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blagjfgffjads:

Frontend ID is Philips TDA – not sure exactly why it's not Compro as displayed if v4l was used

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justinh:

the default timeout values *should* be okay, but if you don't get *anything* from a full scan you might want to increase them

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blagjfgffjads:

but I'll run with it

[08:00:08]

blagjfgffjads:

we'll see how it goes../

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justinh:

blagjfgffjads: that's the tuner frontend, not much to do with the card itself

[08:00:46]

justinh:

or rather – doesn't concern the user much I mean

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oobejfgffjads:

are you near port noarlunga blagjfgffjads

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justinh:

heh. I love your place names over there

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blagjfgffjads:

no I'm not – I'm in the hills

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oobe:

year lol

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blagjfgffjads:

yeah just getting timed out again

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oobe:

oh ok

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dfletcher:

can that be real? http://www.getpartsonline.com/wintv-pvr-500.html

[08:02:06]

blagjfgffjads:

No Lock it says

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justinh:

blagjfgffjads: let it finish then

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blagjfgffjads:

will do

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justinh:

might take a while

[08:02:41]

oobe:

justinh, we do have newcastle aswell

[08:02:45]

wagnerrp:

dfletcher: seems fine

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wagnerrp:

although youve got no secondary input, and a non-standard bracket

[08:03:22]

justinh:

then after that try increasing the timeout values. there's one which sets the time it waits to get a lock.. increase that to say 5 seconds

[08:03:31]

justinh:

then try a full scan again

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wagnerrp:

you would probably want to pick up a daughter card off ebay to enable the secondary input

[08:04:26]

justinh:

blagjfgffjads: up to now there haven't been any messages about mythtv-setup not being able to access the card have there?

[08:04:33]

dfletcher:

heh maybe I'll just buy a complete dual one off ebay these seem common

[08:05:14]

wagnerrp:

im not sure i would trust anyone claiming the 'regular internet price' was $200

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dfletcher:

hehehe

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blagjfgffjads:

no not that I am aware of

[08:05:24]

wagnerrp:

i think those sold for like $120-$140 even new

[08:05:32]

blagjfgffjads:

no msgs have displayed themselves in the GUI

[08:05:37]

blagjfgffjads:

I can check the logs if need be

[08:05:47]

blagjfgffjads:

the scan finished with "Failed to find any channels"

[08:05:53]

dfletcher:

here we go http://tinyurl.com/y3v3tft

[08:06:55]

dfletcher:

ugh I probably should wait till my next payday. I spent $400 this week already :)

[08:07:45]

wagnerrp:

http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/ha . . . uct=av_cable

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wagnerrp:

one of those too

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blagjfgffjads:

there is a msg in the terminal "Warning no device tree for cardid11"

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justinh:

blagjfgffjads: you've still not set the device up properly then :)

[08:08:39]

justinh:

or there's a permissions problem

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dfletcher:

ah neat wagnerrp 2x s-video. nice one.

[08:09:09]

wagnerrp:

dfletcher: since youll be capturing off a STB, youll want to use svideo

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blagjfgffjads:

OK :)

[08:09:28]

wagnerrp:

that board only has the one set of inputs on the back

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wagnerrp:

the daughter card plugs into those white headers on the front of the card

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wagnerrp:

and lets you access the encoders directly

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wagnerrp:

huh... seems you can still purchase PVR-500s off the hauppauge webstore

[08:11:13]

wagnerrp:

(for $150)

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dfletcher:

does it cost $200? ;)

[08:11:15]

dfletcher:

heh

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blagjfgffjads:

I'm not sure what I've missed in setting it up then

[08:12:22]

wagnerrp:

dfletcher: theyre not supposed to sell those

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justinh:

blagjfgffjads: well, are you running mythtv-setup as the same user you ran kaffeine as?

[08:12:51]

dfletcher:

wagnerrp, why? end of life?

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wagnerrp:

FCC regs

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blagjfgffjads:

as far as my linux n00bness is aware yes :)

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dfletcher:

oh hah

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wagnerrp:

if they ripped off the tuners, it wouldnt be a problem

[08:13:22]

dfletcher:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

but youre not supposed to sell new product with an analog tuner, and no digital one

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dfletcher:

that's dumb because the QAM and ATSC are useless IMO

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wagnerrp:

its a shame they dont sell such a thing

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justinh:

blagjfgffjads: anyway, make sure your user, the 'mythtv' user are members of the group they call 'video' – that's generally the group which owns er.. video devices :)

[08:15:41]

wagnerrp:

dfletcher: you have no antenna?

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blagjfgffjads:

ok.. how would I confirm this?

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justinh:

blagjfgffjads: on ubuntu you'd use the System -> Administration -> Users & Groups util

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justinh:

no idea where other distros keep their admin utils

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blagjfgffjads:

no problem I'm on Ubuntu the only user listed is my login name – should mythtv be listed here?

[08:18:16]

blagjfgffjads:

ah wait.. nvm

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justinh:

though you can always edit the /etc/group file yourself

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justinh:

(if you know what you're doing) :)

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blagjfgffjads:

clearly I do not :P

[08:20:20]

dfletcher:

wagnerrp, hah no I haven't owned an antenna since probably 1989

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blagjfgffjads:

ah I click "Manage Groups" mythtv is in the list if I right click and go to properties it just has the group name ID and the fact that my login is a member

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, most of what i record is from the local broadcasters (routed through my cable provider)

[08:21:02]

justinh:

blagjfgffjads: yes, but does the 'mythtv' group have permission to 'use video devices' ?

[08:21:37]

justinh:

oh and btw you haven't left kaffeine running, or anything else using that device have you?

[08:22:03]

dfletcher:

wagnerrp, and ATSC just doesn't have that commonality that NTSC had – devices with the 3/4 chan switch. it's not a method of talking to my TV really in other words.

[08:22:23]

wagnerrp:

dfletcher: eh?

[08:22:25]

blagjfgffjads:

the box was unticked for use vid devices

[08:22:32]

blagjfgffjads:

so I ticked it now

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justinh:

blagjfgffjads: tick it :)

[08:22:42]

wagnerrp:

oh, youre referring to the lack of digital modulators?

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dfletcher:

wagnerrp, well back in the bad old days you could hook any TV gizmo up to any TV because it just broadcast to channel 3 or 4

[08:22:50]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, analog modulators sucked anyway

[08:22:54]

dfletcher:

heh

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dfletcher:

well they did simplify

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wagnerrp:

s/simplify/suck/

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dfletcher:

hehe

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justinh:

better than having cables sticking out of the front AV panel, any day

[08:23:30]

justinh:

stupid front AV panels. grrr

[08:24:03]

justinh:

nice to see TVs nowadays at least have accessible *side* panels instead

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gbee:

and plenty of rear connectivity

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wagnerrp:

gbee likes the rear input...

[08:24:53]

justinh:

still seeing sets on sale with only 2x HDMI though

[08:25:03]

dfletcher:

heh wagnerrp mainly I just want to see like a new round of capture cards with HDMI. capture cards should match what I have on my TV, gosh darnit :)

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justinh:

which is just stupid in this day & age

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blagjfgffjads:

still no go on finding the channels

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: good luck with that

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justinh:

dfletcher: HDMI capture isn't gonna happen thanks to HDCP

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wagnerrp:

HDMI capture you can do... but HDCP makes it macrovision all over again

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wagnerrp:

have to protect us consumers from those evil pirates

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dfletcher:

isn't the HDMI between a STB and my TV unencrypted?

[08:26:02]

wagnerrp:

wait... thats not quite right...

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: usually no

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dfletcher:

oh ffs

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justinh:

don't be silly!

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justinh:

course it's encrippled. sheesh

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wagnerrp:

s/usually//

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AndyCap:

unencrypted digital, ZOMG, armageddon!

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dfletcher:

so what's so special about the TV that it gets this unencrypting gadget but hauppage doesn't? :)

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gbee:

dfletcher: it doesn't capture

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justinh:

dfletcher: teevees ain't capture/recording devices

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wagnerrp:

it only displays

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dfletcher:

heh

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dfletcher:

man I feel so bent over right now

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wagnerrp:

uh huh

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justinh:

welcome to the digital world fella

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wagnerrp:

and were right back to those rear inputs again

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AndyCap:

dfletcher: they signed the agreement with the HDCP licensing entity. :P

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: the A-Hole?

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** dfletcher invents his own multimedia cable. with hookers! and blackjack! **

[08:28:03]

wagnerrp:

man, its the pun that just keeps on giving

[08:28:05]

justinh:

blagjfgffjads: at this point I'd be tempted to start again with mythtv. drop the database & start anew

[08:28:37]

justinh:

blagjfgffjads: start with the *correct* card type selected in mythtv-setup, yada yada

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dfletcher:

well then

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dfletcher:

component output looks like the way

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justinh:

ooo no. they're gonna be doing away with component

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gbee:

at least until they start disabling component outputs on STBs

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justinh:

it can be capchad!

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dfletcher:

hehehhe

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justinh:

seriously. Sky in the UK have already stopped providing boxes with component output

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AndyCap:

or if they're kind, just downscale it

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wagnerrp:

luckily we have the HDFury... for now

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wagnerrp:

this is really starting to get expensive

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justinh:

and it would be naive to think that a software update wouldn't come along to disable the existing component output on boxes currently used

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justinh:

just bite the pillow, open your wallet & get the provider's STB/DVR will you?

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justinh:

;-)

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gbee:

STB or STD?

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AndyCap:

what is difference. :P

[08:31:22]

justinh:

STD/VD

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justinh:

unfortunate name for a project, VDR

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jduggan:

justinh: thats what i did, with v+

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jduggan:

:P

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AndyCap:

I don't see set-top-device taking off though. :P

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jduggan:

bit the pillow and took it like a man

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wagnerrp:

both are gotten by you being penetrated by some other entity

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AndyCap:

std's being what they are

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justinh:

at least mythtv has its origins in the geeks

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justinh:

er.. Greeks

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AndyCap:

O_o

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blagjfgffjads:

should i try dvbutils?

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wagnerrp:

there what i was looking for...

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wagnerrp:

dfletcher: heres your ATSC modulator... http://www.zeevee.com/residential

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justinh:

blagjfgffjads: if kaffeine works.. erm... mythtv-setup complaining about the device tree is still a setup problem

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wagnerrp:

only consumer product i know of off hand

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** dfletcher makes hot cocoa to relieve the digital depression. hot cocoa for everyone \o/ **

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justinh:

wagnerrp: somebody I work with has bought a bunch of dvb-t modulators.. only problem is they need an mpeg2 TS input :-\

[08:35:10]

wagnerrp:

justinh: pumped over SDI or something?

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wagnerrp:

or are you talking the ICs themselves?

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justinh:

boards wot do it

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justinh:

give em power, put mpeg2 ts datastream in... get modulated dvb-t out over RF

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AndyCap:

justinh: over ethernet or what?

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why no one makes such a product

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wagnerrp:

i mean it cant be that expensive to produce one

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justinh:

AndyCap: actual *data* stream.. as in the connector is a 0.1" 2 pin jumper

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AndyCap:

ah, ok. :)

[08:37:16]

justinh:

as in, plug in the mpeg2 encoder board :)

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quicksilver:

are we expecting DVB-T2 adapters to be encrippled?

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justinh:

I'm expecting no dvb-t2 adapters to be available for PCs

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AndyCap:

quicksilver: that would depend on the DVB-T2 provider

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AndyCap:

justinh: why not?

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justinh:

AndyCap: just because

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quicksilver:

AndyCap: you mean the adapter just gives access to the stream, and the stream will either be encrypted or not?

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AndyCap:

justinh: magically everyone is going to give up their freeview plans?

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AndyCap:

or just not upgrade to T2?

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justinh:

AndyCap: what WE do is dictated by what's available in the marketplace

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justinh:

1. there are no dvb-t2 tuner cards yet

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justinh:

2. when there are dvb-t2 tuner cards, we have to wait for drivers

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AndyCap:

justinh: same old.

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justinh:

3. when there are drivers, we have to wait for mythtv to support them

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somethinginteres:

If I click capture card -> diseqc it says "unconnected" – is this OK or..?

[08:40:05]

justinh:

somethinginteres: for what kind of tuner?

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gbee:

somethinginteres: depends, DVB-S?

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i wonder how hard it would be for hauppauge to strap a modulator onto their HDPVR

[08:40:34]

somethinginteres:

I have a Compro Videomate DVB T300

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justinh:

somethinginteres: were you here as another username earlier?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, hes had like three different names so far today

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justinh:

DVB-T has nothing to do with diseqc

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gbee:

if the T stands for Terrestrial, then you don't need diseqc

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justinh:

so just ignore it

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somethinginteres:

I was yeah it's swapping back and forward – sorry confusing I know

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somethinginteres:

alright ok then

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justinh:

one good reason to force people to register

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wagnerrp:

justinh: doesnt mean they cant have multiple names

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justinh:

true, but registering aliases is beyond the scope of a lot of people til they find out ;)

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justinh:

then again...

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somethinginteres:

my mistake gents – I'm not exactly sure why it's changnig I probably set it up that way so if one nic was taken then it'd use another

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justinh:

somethinginteres: you might get more of a clue if you run mythtv-setup in a window & look in the terminal you run it from

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edomeda:

the mythtv user guide says using < and > moves backward and forward by one frame when paused. Forward works, but backward/rewind just makes the screen jump a few frames and comes right back to where it was. Do I have a setting wrong in my setup?

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somethinginteres:

I'll try that now

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justinh:

edomeda: > and < meaning left & right arrow keys methinks

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edomeda:

justinh, yes :)

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somethinginteres:

nothing useful getting printed only "mythtv-backend stop/waiting" when the msg box came up telling me to close mythtv-backend to continue

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somethinginteres:

the rest of the output went to mythtv setup terminal

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justinh:

somethinginteres: ubuntu's mythtv-setup should stop mythtv-backend

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justinh:

though you can make sure it's stopped with "sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop"

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somethinginteres:

" sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

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somethinginteres:

Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8)

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somethinginteres:

utility, e.g. service mythtv-backend stop

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somethinginteres:

Since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an

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somethinginteres:

Upstart job, you may also use the stop(8) utility, e.g. stop mythtv-backend"

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somethinginteres:

how odd

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edomeda:

Use http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/

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dfletcher:

hah I could almost build my own framegrabber http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dk . . . 68-3593-1-ND no wonder these are so cheap

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dfletcher:

MPEG encoders aren't quite so easy to find :P

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dfletcher:

ooh let's make an open hardware capture card! it'll capture theora! oh wait no that sucks ;)

[09:03:58]

gbee:

vp8

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somethinginteres:

anyway, thanks for attempting to help <justinh> I'll keep trying to figure things out

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justinh:

somethinginteres: point being, mythbackend (mythtv-backend) needs to be stopped for mythtv-setup to work

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justinh:

cos it er.. kinda like umm.. uses the tuner cards ;-)

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justinh:

among other things

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somethinginteres:

yeah it just don't seem to want to

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dfletcher:

wasn't that telling you to `sudo stop mythtv-backend` ?

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dfletcher:

what system is that somethinginteres ?

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somethinginteres:

yeah I tried that let me try again just in case I had a typo

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somethinginteres:

just an Ubuntu box

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dfletcher:

weird

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somethinginteres:

yeah

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somethinginteres:

I run the sudo stop command and yeah the box is coming up: Mythbackend must be closed before continuing.

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somethinginteres:

maybe a complete re-install of myth might be a good idea?

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justinh:

try in #mythbuntu – they're prolly more aware of ubuntu specifics

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justinh:

you could always try as the error message / warning suggested though.. i.e. use the gui utility to stop the service

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justinh:

oops

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justinh:

well yeah that or 'service mythtv-backend stop'

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justinh:

prolly needs root privileges to do that, so sudo service mythtv-backend .. .

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somethinginteres:

righto if that's no go I'll try the mythbuntu guys

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somethinginteres:

thankyou

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dfletcher:

heh actually you know the theora encoder isn't even that big. I bet it could be built into an FPGA with an embedded processor or an inexpensive FPGA/MCU combo

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dfletcher:

hah I could probalby build this whole thing on an avr32, though questionable if it would run fast enough :)

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justinh:

just been given a 1TB 2.5" HDD to test. heheheh

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justinh:

didn't even think those existed yet

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sid3windr:

o_O

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sid3windr:

me neither

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justinh:

apparently they're retailing about £150

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Gumby:

I can get them locally for 126.53 GBP (Vancouver Canada). Unfortunately they are only 5400RPM

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justinh:

and folks here are still labouring under the apprehension that we need to do environmental testing on things like this

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justinh:

they believe we can't, say, run the unit at room temp & see what happens

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justinh:

like you can't just add 30 degrees & calculate what temp it'd be at a higher temp

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justinh:

morons

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gbee:

Gumby: 5400rpm is good for media, quiet and low power

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gbee:

you really don't need anything faster for the job

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justinh:

yup. I think it'd be more than fast enough to play a few flacs at once :)

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simonckenyon:

http://www.dektec.com/Products/PCIe/DTA-2135-T2/index.asp

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simonckenyon:

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justinh:

linux driver?

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gbee:

€2.50 ... bargin

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simonckenyon:

at 2500, i really don't care if there *is* a linux driver – way out of my league

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justinh:

oh right it's actually doing demodulation in software

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justinh:

that's er.. flexible. LOL

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justinh:

wonder how many of those BBC R&D own

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simonckenyon:

a suspect a few

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simonckenyon:

s/a/i/

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gbee:

justinh: they built the first DVB-T2 hardware themselves with a FPGA or something

[10:47:36]

justinh:

yeah I know

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justinh:

a bunch of FPGAs IIRC

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simonckenyon:

i read the blog

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justinh:

blog is still a stupid word

[10:48:14]

justinh:

like jeggings. that's another stupid word

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simonckenyon:

hauppauge say they will have a single tuner USB DVB-T2 device by late summer

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justinh:

in time for the world cup of soccer? I think not!

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justinh:

be fun if fifa also knocked out television coverage once a country's team is out

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jduggan:

haha, that would be england with no tv coverage :D

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justinh:

heh no I meant world cup of soccer coverage for losing countries

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gbee:

simonckenyon: that's it? Not PCI/PCI-E?

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gbee:

I'll take usb if that's all I can get, but I'd rather have something internal

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justinh:

and yeah, I know how annoying it is to call it 'the world cup of soccer'. cos it's annoying how late my TV shows are shown when games overrun

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justinh:

going back to those rear ports again

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simonckenyon:

see http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=18726 – they say USB

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justinh:

and when they DO do a PCI one it'll be USB anyway :D

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gbee:

yeah, I'd not mind that, it's just the mess of having dongles etc cluttering the back of the machine and occassionally blocking the use of other ports

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quicksilver:

actually USB-in-PCI is almost better

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quicksilver:

in my experience USB drivers are much much less likely to crash

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justinh:

no disconnecty anymore?

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justinh:

tuner card drivers.. crash? :-O

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quicksilver:

my PCI DVB drivers have crashed quite often (due to bad signal) sometimes hanging the whole system.

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quicksilver:

actually, normally it's just the display subsystem/X that they hang, not the kernel. But still.

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justinh:

wow. what chipset?

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quicksilver:

saa7134

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quicksilver:

or whichever order those numbers come in :)

[11:08:27]

justinh:

ah. philips junk then :)

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quicksilver:

it's sepcifically provoke by poor signals just on the borderline of what is successfully tunable

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quicksilver:

which makes it hard to reproduce

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quicksilver:

(for me or the driver authors)

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justinh:

bet that makes scanning awesome fun then

[11:09:01]

quicksilver:

I just scan on days with good weather :)

[11:09:05]

quicksilver:

never run a scan in the rain.

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justinh:

rain affects your signal? :-O

[11:09:34]

quicksilver:

yup

[11:09:41]

quicksilver:

well, perhaps it's the heavy clouds not the rain

[11:09:43]

quicksilver:

I don't know for sure

[11:09:47]

quicksilver:

bad weather, anyway

[11:09:57]

quicksilver:

I'm just out of range of crystal palace

[11:09:58]

** justinh turns towards Winter Hill & bows reverently **

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quicksilver:

shitty place to live

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quicksilver:

(well, lovely place actually, just shitty for DVB reception)

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justinh:

the UK is as such :)

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gbee:

quicksilver: the Nova-T 500, which was USB on PCI had the unstable drivers I've ever seen it took them a couple of years or more to finally stop the driver crashing or causing USB disconnects

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justinh:

yeah we don't want no stinking TV masts around here, spoiling the view!

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quicksilver:

gbee: OK, my optimism is unfounded :)

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justinh:

No TV In My Back Yard!

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gbee:

even today, if you enable the remote with those drivers it still crashes frequently

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gbee:

NTVIMBY?

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gbee:

not quite as catchy as NIMBY ...

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justinh:

I blame that Krusty guy. He's always in here instead of working ;-)

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justinh:

oh wait. so am I

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quicksilver:

I have a pinnacle card which thinks it's funny to spam printks every time it gets an unexpected signal

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quicksilver:

and since it's an RF remote, it picks up all kinds of crap as unexpected signals

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justinh:

short its antenna?

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somethinginteres:

<justinh>: I managed to get it to tune properly using dvb-utils to make a channel.conf file and importing it

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justinh:

somethinginteres: that's not a preferred solution

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justinh:

if there's something amiss with the scanner in mythtv-setup it should be reported

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somethinginteres:

yeah perhaps I can file a report of some kind

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justinh:

IMHO the full scan should be done away with at some point, replaced by a wizard

[11:15:37]

somethinginteres:

detailing my problem

[11:16:05]

justinh:

i.e. you'd tell mythtv-setup where you are & it'd look up which frequencies are supposed to have signals

[11:16:16]

justinh:

kinda like the dvb-utils scan program

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somethinginteres:

that would be really good I think

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justinh:

I've seen an issue in the scanner with one of my tuners here.. it just can't do a full scan. tuned scans work fine though, and it gets a lock easily in less than a second

[11:17:23]

justinh:

wasn't able to diagnose what the problem was

[11:18:02]

justinh:

if I could have diagnosed it I would at least have been able to file a properly researched bug, if not actually submitted a patch

[11:18:29]

gbee:

heh, Windows only allows 4 tuners?

[11:18:33]

somethinginteres:

yeah unfortunately I am just too new to all this to actually understand the cause or to patch it

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justinh:

gbee: and then only 2 each of the same type IIRC

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somethinginteres:

I wonder if it might be worth reporting my "bug" even with the lack of detail just so the team is aware

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somethinginteres:

I suppose it isn't much use without the exact trigger of the problem

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justinh:

somethinginteres: if you don't mind starting again, this time try a TUNED scan using frequency details gleaned from your channels.conf

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gbee:

btw if anyone does take the time to click on the spam link just posted to -dev, then scroll right to the bottom and in the right hand corner you'll find a 'Report Abuse' button, click on it

[11:23:02]

somethinginteres:

that's no problem

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somethinginteres:

ah this line for example: ABC HDTV:226500000:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_7_MHZ:FEC_3_4:FEC_3_4:QAM_64:TRANSMISSIO N_MODE_8K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_16:HIERARCHY_NONE:2314:0:592

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somethinginteres:

which part of that is the frequency?

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gbee:

226500000

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justinh:

226500000

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gbee:

too slow

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somethinginteres:

haha

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somethinginteres:

ok off I go

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justinh:

I think some drivers act in a different way to how mythtv's scanner expects sometimes

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gbee:

or as happened last night, users pick the wrong LNB and the scan fails

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somethinginteres:

should I input all values including things like bandwidth etc or just leave the autos to auto and see what happens?

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justinh:

auto is prolly for the best

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justinh:

auto should work in pretty much all cases AFAIK

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justinh:

gbee: I had this *weird* issue where I couldn't get a lock with a full scan.. ever.. but a tuned scan locked in quick time

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justinh:

only on one of my tuner cards.. a dibcom based thingy

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justinh:

I'd have to put a load of debug code in the scanner to see what's up with it

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justinh:

it, meaning the driver and/or the scanner. not trying to blame :)

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somethinginteres:

OK I input the freq from the line that I pasted left everything auto and pressed next I don't think it found anything or if it did it didn't report it and there's no channel listed if I click "edit channel list" in the main menu

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somethinginteres:

ah, further info: it says "no lock" on any freq I tried from my .conf file

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somethinginteres:

I just tried inputing all the values i.e. replacing the "AUTO" fields with the exact values from the conf file and it worked

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gbee:

somethinginteres: what type of card?

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somethinginteres:

it's a Compro DVB T300

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gbee:

and you selected the correct region in mythtv-setup?

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somethinginteres:

yep

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gbee:

which country? We might be missing frequency tables for your locale

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somethinginteres:

Australia

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ThisOtherGuy:

Hi everybody!

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gbee:

hmm, we have a couple of tables for Australia and it looks correct, guess your driver/card just might not support Auto for fec/symbol rate

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somethinginteres:

I see

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somethinginteres:

I'm still having problems getting the EIT EPG data but at least TV is working

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justinh:

afaik you can't use eit in aus

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somethinginteres:

it was supposed to be enabled in 2008

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somethinginteres:

but some sources say the backtracked on that deal

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somethinginteres:

so I wouldn't be suprised

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somethinginteres:

I really don't understand why they have an issue with sharing EPG data

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somethinginteres:

they being the TV execs

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gbee:

somethinginteres: if they give you EPG data then you can record their programmes and from everything I've heard about Australian broadcasting that's something they actively try to prevent e.g. by never showing programmes at the schedule times

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gbee:

scheduled

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somethinginteres:

sounds about right

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somethinginteres:

everywhere I am readings says the backed out of their EIT deal but the wiki at: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Australian_TV_Listings#tv_grab_au_reg says the data -is- available

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somethinginteres:

* they

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somethinginteres:

under the section: "Electronic Service Guide Information"

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lyricnz:

slightly offtopic – I notice that my nuvexport doesn't actually support any output formats anymore?!? Is this ffmpeg nonsense with my distro, or some other thing?

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justinh:

probably the former thing, not the other thing

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lyricnz:

nuvexport deliberately broken?

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justinh:

I mean probably a crippled ffmpeg

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justinh:

or whatever encoder you're trying to use with nuvexport

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lyricnz:

Fixed it. Stupid vendor patches to ffmpeg made the version number unparsable.

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matmatmat:

what did you fix?

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JohnnyJboss:

is it really this quiet in here? or is this ChatZilla plugin not working?

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AndyCap:

it works

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JohnnyJboss:

thanks

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lyricnz:

matmatmat: nuvexport

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j-rod:

JohnnyJboss: was 'dewman' the one you were trying to help yesterday?

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j-rod:

saw a note from him on #lirc

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JohnnyJboss:

nah....

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JohnnyJboss:

at least, that wasn't his nick yesterday

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j-rod:

I think removing cx88 from that fdi blacklist file was probably a bad idea, might be what's blocking lirc from taking the device. not sure though.

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JohnnyJboss:

started with an A

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j-rod:

ah

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j-rod:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1453711

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JohnnyJboss:

he was on again at 9 or 10ish when I checked in with spheary b4 bedtime

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j-rod:

seems rather similar

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JohnnyJboss:

CST

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JohnnyJboss:

this guy was hung up on the fact that the system responded to some remote keys without lirc

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JohnnyJboss:

it was listed as an input device

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JohnnyJboss:

good ole kernel driver / module

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JohnnyJboss:

kept arguing with me

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JohnnyJboss:

made me sorry i tried to help

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devinheitmueller:

j-rod: no, removing it from the fdi blacklist won't prevent it from working with lirc. In fact, the gnome-lirc-configure tool won't even find the device if it is blacklisted.

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j-rod:

oh, hrm. I was thinking maybe the blacklisting prevented X from grabbing it somehow

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devinheitmueller:

No, it just prevented hald from noticing it.

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devinheitmueller:

So for example, with it blacklisted you couldn't open a text editor under Gnome and see keys as you hit the remote. But if you dropped to the virtual console, the keys would be received.

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j-rod:

(my distro has no lirc.fdi file, so I'm not even sure what's in it...)

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devinheitmueller:

It's got an inconsistent list of blacklisted tuner input drivers.

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devinheitmueller:

Some are there and others are not, which is why I was confused as hell why my cx88 board behaved differently than my em28xx.

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j-rod:

cute

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j-rod:

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