Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, April 8th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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Wicked:

hmm. nuvexport is saying everything is disabled...but my ffmpeg is built with support for most of it...including xvid....but it says disabled....

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Wicked:

ah..i went ahead and tried one anyone...it complained of it missing something..lets see here...

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Wicked:

much better now

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minik:

hello all

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sphery:

hello

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minik:

does anyone know when it is expected to have the new version of xbmc out?

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iamlindoro:

why not ask the XBMC people?

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minik:

ooops wrong channel :)

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minik:

I had 2 channels open

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minik:

using both seems to give me the best of both worlds

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mcmurtr:

anyone have any idea why when I launch mythfrontend It shows it connects to the backend db, but I never get anything on my x display?

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iamlindoro:

My crystal ball is broken

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minik:

make sure you have mythtv frontend installed

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iamlindoro:

So I guess you'll just have to provide logs ;)

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iamlindoro:

uhh

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iamlindoro:

he just said he launched it and it connected to the DB

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iamlindoro:

so it's a fair bet it's installed

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squish102:

TOP

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squish102:

top

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iamlindoro:

ls

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mcmurtr:

just past in the channel?

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iamlindoro:

ls -al

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mcmurtr:

didn't want to spam the room.

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iamlindoro:

no, to a pastebin

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mcmurtr:

ok, http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1858343 should work

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sphery:

it just hangs there?

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mcmurtr:

yeah, nothing shows up after that.

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iamlindoro:

let's see a copy of your config.cml file

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iamlindoro:

er config.xml

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iamlindoro:

~/.mythtv/config.xml

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iamlindoro:

you can anonymize the password if you like, but please don't change anything else

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sphery:

mcmurtr: also, is mythbackend running?

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mcmurtr:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1858347

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mcmurtr:

backend running on another server.

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iamlindoro:

that's a pretty busted config.xml alright

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mcmurtr:

ok, what should I do, to fix it, must have missed something somewhere.

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iamlindoro:

co you have a mysql.txt file in ~/.mythtv ?

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iamlindoro:

er do you

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iamlindoro:

if so, please add to the pastebin

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mcmurtr:

both mysql.txt and config.xml are in the last pastebin.

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iamlindoro:

need the new address ;)

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mcmurtr:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1858347

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sphery:

mcmurtr: also, for fun, can you stop mythfrontend, then run: export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 ; export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 ; mythfrontend

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iamlindoro:

mcmurtr, that doesn't include mysql.txt

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sphery:

mcmurtr: it changes the address each time you add to it

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mcmurtr:

yeah, 22 lines right? line 01 is start of mysql.txt and line 10 is start of config.xml, no?

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iamlindoro:

mcmurtr, click your own link

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iamlindoro:

There's no mysql.txt there

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iamlindoro:

when you modify it, you need to submit it, then get the new address, then share that here

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mcmurtr:

never mind I see, 1 sec

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iamlindoro:

but also follow sphery's advice thereafter, he has an idea worth trying

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mcmurtr:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1858355

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

there's your (a) problem

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mcmurtr:

ok, lay it on me.

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sphery:

heh, DBPort=6543 is a bad idea

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sphery:

DBPort=0

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sphery:

or DBPort=3306

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iamlindoro:

you have modified your DB port to point at the mythbackend (not db) port

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sphery:

6543 is mythbackend port

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** iamlindoro called it in one ;) **

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sphery:

which is why the DB isn't answering

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sphery:

I'm sorry... You have dialed an invalid number. If you would like to make a call...

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sphery:

iamlindoro: thought you said your crystal ball was broken?

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iamlindoro:

I get flashes

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sphery:

if you get the upgrade to Intersect 2.0, you won't have to rely on quick flashes.

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iamlindoro:

Well, I still will, I'll just be able to crush your trachea with a goldfish

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

haven't watched this season, so I was going off the little bit I got from previews

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sphery:

looked like he was able to control the visions and they were complete--not just little flashes

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mcmurtr:

ok, I see.

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mcmurtr:

ok, 1 more question, what is the quickest way to set my db password, I thought I had set it to mythtv, but its not working.

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mcmurtr:

I know the root db password is blank

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sphery:

set it in the DB?

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sphery:

SET PASSWORD FOR 'mythtv'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('newpassword');

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sphery:

but be /very/ careful to use the right hostnames

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sphery:

i.e. you may not want localhost

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sphery:

you may need localhost and a real hostname

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sphery:

you may need 127.0.0.1, but you might need to not have that

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sphery:

i.e. that's the tool that can either make things work or break everything

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sphery:

if *buntu (assuming that's your distro) has tools for changing DB passwords, it's better to use them (since they know how *buntu configures MySQL for you)

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mcmurtr:

ok thanks

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Beirdo:

sphery: you read through lirc code at all?

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sphery:

no

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Beirdo:

dang

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

only as much as I had to to merge in that one patch

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sphery:

and that was just lirc_client, so not really lirc

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sphery:

(just an example of how to use lirc)

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Beirdo:

I'll have to see if I can catch j-rod on sometime, maybe he has a few pointers

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sphery:

yeah, he knows the daemon and driver code in there pretty well, I think

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Beirdo:

just trying to determine exactly what protocol to implement

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sphery:

are you designing my dream reamote for me?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

lots of buttons, good heft/feel, strong/reliable RF, and dumb--just sends a signal and lets the computer be the brains...

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sphery:

just let me know when it's done

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sphery:

:)

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Beirdo:

I'm to the point of starting to determine my protocol stack for IR transmit and receive

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Beirdo:

for the USB-IR box

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sphery:

cool... just a homemade one?

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Beirdo:

no

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sphery:

how come you're not going with any of the ones out there (that all seem to be homemade/experimental ones)?

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Beirdo:

4 transmitters, 1 receiver

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sphery:

oh, maybe that's why

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

each transmitter for controlling separate devices when blasting won't work?

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Beirdo:

yup

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sphery:

nice

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sphery:

I had looked at a couple of the ones people had, but decided not to do that

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Beirdo:

It's fun to do embedded projects :)

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sphery:

still have a serial transmitter

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mzb_:

:)

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sphery:

I can use a blaster for all my stuff, though, so no need for separate transmitters

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Beirdo:

oh? they all use different codesets?

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

used to use DISH receivers, which had 16 codes available

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Beirdo:

ah

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sphery:

now it's just random stuff (A/V receiver, etc.)

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sphery:

#8317: MythWeb mangling URLs when more than one reverse proxy is used

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sphery:

why would you need multiple reverse proxies?

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Beirdo:

there are reasons

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Beirdo:

valid one, even :)

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sphery:

yeah, it's not a bad ticket since he has a proposed solution... just wondering

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Beirdo:

NAT can be a PITA

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Beirdo:

and sometimes you have a couple levels of NAT to overcome? :)

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sphery:

warning: LOST spoilers, but good article for those who are caught up: http://www.tv.com/untitled/story/22365.html?t . . . news;title;0

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banyan:

Hello! I just made a couple of DVDs worth of isos of shows, but I see that the commercials are still in them despite my having carefully checked the cutlist. Any tips on why the commercials didn't get removed?

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venger:

anyone had an issue using remote X window for mythtv-setup and all fonts are missing? i think it maybe theme related (GANT?) or something but one fix was to make sure msttcorefonts is installed...

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banyan:

I think you may need to choose the other render engine... I had that happen once or twice.

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venger:

banyan, my understanding was mythtv flags them (ie saves points in the the db) and that you have a choice of prompting to skip, auto skip etc

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banyan:

That's on playback. The commercial flagging works like that, but if you hit "E" and then "Z" the commercial flagging gets loaded into the cut list.

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banyan:

Which is presumably honoured during the dvd creation process... but wasn't in my case. Hopefully someone who's used the feature recently can clue me in! I haven't made a DVD for ages.

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banyan:

You know, what I would really like to do is change the goofy softcore porn music that comes with the GANT theme menu, lol.

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venger:

banyan, ok i haven't created any alternate media out of my recordings

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sphery:

banyan: don't know MythArchive, but I'm pretty certain from looking at the code that there's a checkbox that says whether or not to use the cutlist.

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sphery:

venger: did you try mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

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venger:

sphery, this is the backend can i try the same there?

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venger:

i think i may have installed the frontend on it so i may be able to load it, change the renderer and then try mythtv-setup remotely (again)

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banyan:

Does that argument work with mythtv-setup?

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sphery:

the theme painter is set on a per-frontend basis

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sphery:

and, yeah, -O ThemePainter=qt works with mythtv-setup, too

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venger:

sphery, ok thats what i will probably need. i appreciate it.

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sphery:

sorry... forgot you were using setup

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banyan:

Wow, the second I choose opengl, my graphics performance gets lousy.

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sphery:

venger: if that doesn't do it, there's a different issue, and I'll tell you how to fix that one

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venger:

wasn't sure here since i don't see any renderer options in mythtv-setup :)

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sphery:

yeah, it's per host, so once it's set in mythfrontend, it would be set on mythtv-setup... I just misunderstood your question before.

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banyan:

So, sphery, how well acquainted are you with mytharchive? My cutlists seem to be ignored when making a DVD.

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sphery:

04.07 22:13:22 <+sphery> banyan: don't know MythArchive, but I'm pretty certain from looking at the code that there's a checkbox that says whether or not to use the cutlist.

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sphery:

:)

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banyan:

oh, sorry.

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sphery:

did you check that box?

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banyan:

I will have another go and look for the cutlist box!

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sphery:

hope that's it... if so, it's a quick fix for both of us :)

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venger:

sphery, i see it using the qt painter per mythtv setup terminal, still blank windows

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banyan:

Now, I pretty much have to do the operation on the backend don't I... it didn't seem to play nice when I tried to create the DVD from the frontend.

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sphery:

venger: export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 ; export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 ; mythtv-setup

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venger:

aye

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sphery:

banyan: mytharchive definitely needs to have local filesystem access to the recordings/videos you're using

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sphery:

some have said it works over NFS, but it was designed for a single combined frontend/backend

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venger:

sphery, worked great :)

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sphery:

venger: great... you'll likely need to set one or both of those environment variables every time you start mythfrontend or mythtv-setup.

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sphery:

venger: play around with them and figure out which one is helping you (or if you actually need both) and then set up your scripts to set them appropriately

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sphery:

venger: out of curiosity, what video card? ATI?

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venger:

sphery, cirrus, i virtualized a copy of my existing backend

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venger:

:)

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sphery:

ah, just curious

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venger:

but in the case of remote does my current xorg driver and card come in to play?

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sphery:

pretty sure nvidia drivers are missing support for the feature that causes the issue with Qt4

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wagnerrp:

youre trying to burn a DVD in a virtual machine?

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venger:

on the remote side i'm connecting from is nvidia but using the old nv driver

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sphery:

the one running X is important

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venger:

wagnerrp, banyan doing something like that maybe

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venger:

wagnerrp, the burn part anyway

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sphery:

yeah, banyand was the DVD guy, venger is the no menu text guy

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sphery:

-d

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wagnerrp:

ah, got mixed up

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venger:

sphery managed two convo's at once

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wagnerrp:

didnt you know, sphery is a robot

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

no mere human could command his near instantaneous recall of log ago mailing list threads and trac tickets

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wagnerrp:

s/log/long/

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wagnerrp:

sphery: do you know if capt'm has any jobqueue changes in the works?

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sphery:

don't know

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sphery:

haven't heard of any

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wagnerrp:

i know he has plans, but hes had plans for it for years

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wagnerrp:

ive just got that ticket open for removing the special handling for transcode/commflag

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wagnerrp:

and was thinking of expanding the scope of it

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banyan:

sphery, I see that when I'm picking the recordings there are little gray scissors on each. I didn't see any button re: ignore or use cutlist in the actual create dvd process. Is this a checkbox in the setup system somewhere?

[02:46:04]

sphery:

I really don't know where it is or what it says

[02:46:12]

sphery:

just that there's a checkbox--seems to be per recording

[02:46:35]

sphery:

likely on the same screen with the icon showing whether there is a cutlist (the scissors)

[02:46:39]

banyan:

I wonder if I need to pick a different theme in order to see it.

[02:48:20]

banyan:

I tried pressing every key on the keyboard and nothing changed the appearance of the scissors, though I did figure out how to change the recording order.

[02:57:03]

Beirdo:

I tnk I want MODE2 support in my IR firmwatre

[03:00:55]

sphery:

banyan: Definitely there on the Select Archive Items screen. Only shown if there's an actual cutlist--*not* shown if recordings have only a flaglist.

[03:03:33]

venger:

darn, is there any backwards compatibility in frontend 0.23? I didn't think about my backend being old and crusty stil on 0.21 .....

[03:03:46]

banyan:

what am I looking for?

[03:03:55]

wagnerrp:

venger: no

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iamlindoro:

No, as ever, all backends and frontends must be on the asme version

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venger:

i think it was major protocol changes last time 20 – 21

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iamlindoro:

there are always protocol changes between every version

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iamlindoro:

We will never have cross-compatible protocols

[03:04:51]

venger:

iamlindoro, well i'm not saying i'm against the advancement either

[03:04:56]

sphery:

heh, to test MythArchive, I chose a random show that I didn't care about from a random date, played the first couple seconds of it, then made a random cutlist, tested MythArchive, played the recording again to remove the cutlist, then went to start the next show NCIS: LA in the list--and the commercials at the beginning were identical (same David Letterman preview)... I happened to randomly choose a show from the same channel ...

[03:05:02]

sphery:

... and the same day as the show I really wanted to watch.

[03:05:33]

sphery:

venger: 0.23-fixes is worth the upgrade

[03:05:56]

sphery:

and easy on *buntu

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banyan:

Are we comparing apples to apples? I'm on 0.22 20091023.

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venger:

banyan, i happened to have install lucid beta 1 on a machine and just inquired and seen 0.23

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wagnerrp:

mytharchive hasnt had any work in some time

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sphery:

yeah, I don't think them apples have changed in forever

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banyan:

so, I see no button or check box or any obvious thing that would let me enable or disable cutlist processing.

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sphery:

what theme?

[03:08:53]

sphery:

did you try others?

[03:09:03]

banyan:

Each of my recordings has a pair of scissors on it.

[03:09:13]

sphery:

it's the page after you select the recordings

[03:10:17]

banyan:

In mythcentre and metallurgy, it looks about the same.

[03:10:37]

banyan:

Page after, where you can select the order but after you've checked them?

[03:11:38]

banyan:

o, for c***sake. I pressed C on each of them and the scissor turned from grayed out to animated and the total size dropped down.

[03:12:44]

banyan:

I think that was it. That's a tad obscure but I understand there are limitations owing to the use of a remote in what a person can get the user to do input-method wise.

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banyan:

The more you know... (tm) Rainbow...

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

does M show anything?

[03:17:27]

sphery:

banyan: heh: REG_KEY("Archive", "TOGGLECUT", "Toggle use cut list state for selected program", "C");

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sphery:

I just SELECTed the checkbox, though

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banyan:

That must be a 0.23 thing, having a checkbox. I just get grayed-out or not-grayed-out scissors.

[03:36:52]

sphery:

actually, I think it got removed

[03:38:12]

venger:

could various themes impact that like it does other things?

[03:38:18]

banyan:

fish! the gh from draught, the o from women and ti from motion. (sounds like a good Saturday night out — draught, women, motion.)

[03:40:41]

banyan:

Hey, is it clever about retaining the cut points as starts of chapters?

[03:44:49]

banyan:

even if it doesn't, mytharchive is pretty slick. Remember having to tool around with avidemux2 and hand-bomb things with dvdauthor? It used to be quite the science experiment to make a DVD.

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banyan:

One more odd thing — my frontends both start up saying that they want to upgrade my mythmusic schema from 1001 to 1017, and every time they ask I say yes, and every time they start up they still ask. Any particular reason for that?

[03:57:03]

wagnerrp:

for some reason, the upgrade is failing

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wagnerrp:

check your frontend logs

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sphery:

banyan: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407454#407454 will fix it, but you'll have to re-get all your music metadata

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wagnerrp:

although thats normally not a problem

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wagnerrp:

since thats all contained in the ID3 tag anyway

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wagnerrp:

just going to take a while to rescan all your files

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sphery:

yeah, with a properly managed collection, should be easy

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banyan:

It's also whingeing about gamemetadata. Should I drop it too?

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sphery:

banyan: you'd have to drop the entire mythgame schema and delete the schema version. http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1858543

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sphery:

I think that's it, but I didn't look too deeply

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banyan:

It complains in the log about mythgame and netflix but I don't use either of those and it doesn't crab on the gui so I don't really care about 'em.

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: the guy asking earlier about the usb a to a cables was for a directtv box? Do you have a recommendation for such a cable?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: you still around?

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kormoc:

aye

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wagnerrp:

ive been thinking through reworking the jobqueue

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wagnerrp:

and one of the things i would do would be to release the limit on the number of user jobs

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wagnerrp:

which would have to be done through a new table

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wagnerrp:

i dont know how to handle toggling whether backends can run it

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wagnerrp:

i could always just add a second table

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kormoc:

backends?

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wagnerrp:

with backend name, job id, and a boolean whether it can run it

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wagnerrp:

right now, you can toggle whether you want a backend to be able to run certain jobqueue tasks

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wagnerrp:

im just wondering if theres any cleaner way i could handle that

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kormoc:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

maybe a list of names in a text field

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wagnerrp:

keeping it all in one table

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kormoc:

yeah, but gets messy to query against

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kormoc:

a second join table would be the proper way of handling it

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kormoc:

table jobsToHosts (job_id, host_id, enabled) or the like

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wagnerrp:

right

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wagnerrp:

i just remember the trouble the people/person/recorded tables gave me

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wagnerrp:

and was wondering if there was a better way of handling that

[06:23:28]

wagnerrp:

but that actually is the best way then....

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kormoc:

yeah, it really is

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wagnerrp:

ok, thanks

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dserban_:

I know I asked this a while back, but is the only way to find out when the next recording is by running an SQL query?

[06:26:31]

dserban_:

I don't remember.

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

simples!

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wagnerrp:

opposite, you can NOT find the next recording through an SQL query

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wagnerrp:

you have to poll the backend directly

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justinh:

http://your.backend:6544 IIRC

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wagnerrp:

either through its webserver

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kormoc:

or rather, it's one huge query

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wagnerrp:

(justinh's link)

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wagnerrp:

or through the backend protocol

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: you mean... run your own version of the scheduler?

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kormoc:

yup

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justinh:

lol

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kormoc:

folks have attempted/done it in the past

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justinh:

WHY?

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wagnerrp:

justinh++

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

I have enough of a time patching the sucker

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justinh:

I looked at that query once. I wouldn't wish that on anybody

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justinh:

well maybe dustybin

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PaulWay:

Hi all!

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dserban_:

http://your.backend:6544 ... ok, I'll try that

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PaulWay:

I'm trying to set up a CentOS machine as a mythtv frontend viewer (more stable),

[06:29:03]

PaulWay:

but I'm having problems with it not being able to contact the database.

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wagnerrp:

dserban_: it may be easier to use http://backend:6544/xml

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justinh:

PaulWay: I doubt mythfrontend is any more stable on centos than it would be on anything else

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** kormoc waits for "Firefox is failing to resolve you.backend" **

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wagnerrp:

depending on the language youre using

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PaulWay:

I can use mysql on the client to talk to the backend database just fine.

[06:29:34]

PaulWay:

justinh: sorry, I meant that CentOS didn't upgrade every six months. :-)

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kormoc:

PaulWay: are they *exactly* the same revision

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justinh:

PaulWay: my backend is still on 8.10 uboontoo

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** dserban_ uses wget :P **

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justinh:

I update once in a blue moon & it generally runs & runs & runs (and runs)

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PaulWay:

kormoc, justinh: ta – as I say, I'm saying nothing about mythtv stability.

[06:30:49]

PaulWay:

Just not having to keep upgrading the front end.

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justinh:

though there's a frickin big update coming.. I'm on transferring files like crazy right now

[06:31:02]

dserban_:

wagnerrp, cool, I can use XML::Simple to parse, it's perfect. That'll make my scripts a lot easier to write.

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PaulWay:

Now, from looking at the mythfrontend output it seems to have a problem talking to the database server,

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justinh:

PaulWay: you never HAVE to upgrade anything :-)

[06:31:34]

PaulWay:

justinh: ok, touche :-)

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justinh:

god if I updated every time ubuntu wanted to... oh boy

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justinh:

it's got almost as annoying as windows now

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PaulWay:

It's just a bit hard to upgrade Fedora 6 right now ... :-)

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justinh:

sept with less reboots :)

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PaulWay:

and with less actual danger of compromise.

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justinh:

meh

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PaulWay:

ldd shows no missing libraries,

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justinh:

my laptop's been around for a ocuple of years, no AV, no firewall

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justinh:

never had office or OE installed on it though, and I've never used IE maybe that's the secret

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PaulWay:

I've just run mythfrontend -v database and it says (amongst other things) "Unable to init db connection."

[06:33:39]

justinh:

oh and also never installed any warez

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justinh:

PaulWay: check config.xml in ~/.mythtv/ then

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PaulWay:

Ah, above that it says QMYSQL3 driver not loaded.

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PaulWay:

Obviously I haven't got something right somewhere.

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PaulWay:

That seems to correspond with the "DBType=QMYSQL3" line in the .mythtv/mysql.txt file.

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PaulWay:

(the config.xml file is more or less unpopulated).

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PaulWay:

Should I change that to QMYSQL4?

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justinh:

ruh? mysql.txt still?

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PaulWay:

Well, I tried that and it didn't help.

[06:37:02]

PaulWay:

Well, that's what's there.

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PaulWay:

And earlier in the process of running mythfrontend it said it was writing settings to that file.

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PaulWay:

Don't ask me – it's 0.22 with patches

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justinh:

you might just be missing libqt-mysql

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justinh:

whichever version you need

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kormoc:

the *exactly* same revisions on both ends?

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PaulWay:

kormoc: yes.

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kormoc:

then it shouldn't be using mysql.txt

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kormoc:

it should be using config.xml

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PaulWay:

Well, don't ask me – the mysql.txt file is there, it was written today.

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PaulWay:

And there's only one setting in the config.xml file – MediaRenderer

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PaulWay:

ldd says it's looking up libQtSql.so.4 from the qt4.4 directories...

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PaulWay:

justinh: I had the qt4-mysql libraries installed before, but that didn't help.

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PaulWay:

If I try to run with qt4 and qt44 installed, mythfrontend complains about a missing symbol (well known ATRPMS problem)

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justinh:

rename both config.xml & mysql.txt & try again with the right credentials

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justinh:

also make sure the backend isn't bound to 127.0.0.1

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PaulWay:

It keeps on complaining that QMYSQL3 in't loaded.

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PaulWay:

justinh: OK, will do.

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PaulWay:

The backend definitely works – I've got several other frontends working.

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PaulWay:

Same problem.

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PaulWay:

And it also says "Writing settings file /home/watcher/.mythtv/mysql.txt" just to puzzle kormoc

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PaulWay:

:-)

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PaulWay:

Yum doesn't seem to have any Qt3 libraries available for me to try and placate it – what do I do to it to make it use Qt4?!

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[R]:

it probably wants like qt-mysql or something

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PaulWay:

mmmm – I've just found a package qt-MySQL – will try installing.

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justinh:

I honestly thought we'd stopped using mysql.txt a couple of versions ago

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PaulWay:

I'm puzzled here because I thought MythTV was all qt4 these days.

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[R]:

PaulWay: it is

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PaulWay:

justinh: not only you man, but I too am puzzled :-)

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justinh:

backwards compatibility was maintained, sure.. so it'd *read* a mysql.txt file but not write one

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justinh:

ho hum

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PaulWay:

Well, I'm prepared to concede that there may be something terribly wrong with the way Axel patches MythTV – but I'll wait to see someone else tell him that :-)

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wagnerrp:

PaulWay: its all qt4, but there are some lingering things that require the qt3support libraries

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PaulWay:

wagnerrp: like the MySQL support?

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PaulWay:

Nup, same error – even after I've installed qt3 MySQL.

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wagnerrp:

justinh: mythtv will fall back to mysql.txt if it fails to find a config.xml

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: but it shouldn't write to mysql.txt anymore

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justinh:

wagnerrp: thought as much, but *writing* one?

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wagnerrp:

no, you do not need qt3 for mysql access

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PaulWay:

I was running the frontend on an F-12 system earlier today, and that worked fine.

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PaulWay:

I'll try my laptop here – F-11.

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wagnerrp:

qmysql3 != qt3

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PaulWay:

wagnerrp: ah, a clue!

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justinh:

does CentOS come with those?

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justinh:

(clues, I mean)

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** [R] gets his clue by 4 out **

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PaulWay:

Yep, I'm just not sure I've got my full set :-)

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justinh:

btw hope you're not relying on VDPAU.. not sure centos would have the most recent driver

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PaulWay:

No, I'm not.

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[R]:

doesn't centos have like XFree86 4?

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[R]:

haha

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PaulWay:

Coincidentally I downloaded the nVidia drivers and installed then manually on this machine.

[07:01:31]

PaulWay:

Wanted to see what the CUDA version of the distributed.net client was like an an nVidia Atom.

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PaulWay:

Answer: not as fast as one would expect.

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PaulWay:

or like.

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PaulWay:

So it may well have VDPAU support.

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justinh:

when I need HD I'll just plop a better CPU in my backend & use that as a frontend since it'll be living downstairs :)

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PaulWay:

Heh.

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PaulWay:

wagnerrp: do you have any insights into what library I need, or how to convince this version of mythfrontend to actually use the libraries it's got?

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PaulWay:

Interesting – the "QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded" error is printed to stderr.

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[R]:

thats qt complaining

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[R]:

not mythtv

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PaulWay:

Mmmm – that's what I thought.

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[R]:

/usr/lib/qt4/plugins/sqldrivers/

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[R]:

do you have that?

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PaulWay:

/usr/lib64/qt4/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so is there, yes.

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PaulWay:

Hmmmm – however, /usr/lib64/qt44/plugins/sqldrivers only has libqsqlite.so (note extra 4)

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PaulWay:

Trying a link...

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PaulWay:

Aaaaaand there it is!

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PaulWay:

Thanks, [R]!

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justinh:

wow. how lame is that?!

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PaulWay:

Now to write that little solution in my blog so I can remember it for later.

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PaulWay:

Maybe there's some clever Qt path thing that you can use to make it pick that library up, but I don't know it.

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justinh:

installing a package should be enough

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justinh:

if you're gonna have to make your own symlinks... pfft

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PaulWay:

Speak verily unto me about it :-)

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justinh:

why centos isn't the ideal distro for mythtv installations #476

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PaulWay:

heh – touche!

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PaulWay:

The odd thing is that I set up a machine just like this – CentOS, nVidia card, mythtv frontend and backend – about a month ago with no problems at all.

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PaulWay:

Worked basically first time.

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PaulWay:

I kept thinking "something's got to go wrong soon here".

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PaulWay:

Anyway, thanks for your help and condolences :-)

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justinh:

LOL. The UK pirate party has so far only raised Â£2442.73 of the Â£10000 it needs for its election campaign. That tells all

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justinh:

they don't want to buy music.. they won't pay for *anything* :-O

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justinh:

heh and they want to charge money to get flyers to hand out to people. sod that!

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justinh:

my own MP wasn't even there at the vote for that DE Bill. I think he can count on not getting my vote on May 6th

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justinh:

OMG the company has taken on 2 people! :-O

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ivor:

justinh: heh is that two to free you up to do stuff? one to surf the internet and one to argue on IRC? leaving you all day to work? :D

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justinh:

lol

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jarle:

I have a "record in this time slot" recording that will create two entries in the recorded programs list. If I delete one of the recordings, they both disappear. Any ideas how this can happen?

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hipitihop:

can someone recommend a front-end livecd distro ... I have a laptop with hdmi output and want to use it occasionaly in the bedroom as a front-end without upsetting it's normal daily role

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jarle:

hipitihop: mythbuntu live cd?

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hipitihop:

jarle, what is involved in getting it to talk to the existing backend after boot, is that simle or is it better to setup a custom livecd

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hipitihop:

jarle, btw the existing backend is already a mythbuntu backend/frontend

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justinh:

you of course would have to let it discover the backend, or else enter the details yourself

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justinh:

oh the joys of live distros :)

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hipitihop:

justinh, and naturally I would also need to configure wireless access etc etc grr

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justinh:

so what you're more likely to want is a bootable USB stick/disk you can use instead, or go multiboot

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hipitihop:

are there any distros suitable for mythtv which allow you to easily create pre-configured livecd ?

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justinh:

not really

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sulx:

install your own setup to usb and boot from it when needed...

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justinh:

so it'd be an actual *install*. less messy than booting from CD

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justinh:

has the advantage you can reconfigure it easily too

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justinh:

and with the current price of USB sticks.. it's something of a no-brainer really

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hipitihop:

sulx, justinh, makes sense I'll investigate that path ... I also asume I can do that install from a livecd

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justinh:

or if you have 10GB spare on the hard drive – which many do... (stupid restore partitions) ...

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jarle:

hipitihop: if your laptop is already running linux it will make a big difference having mythtv installed on it as well and just start the frontend whenever you feel like it. The only reason for using an alternative boot is if you run a different OS...

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jarle:

hipitihop: "it wil _NOT_ make a big....."

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justinh:

then of course there's the question of whether wireless is actually useable in linux on that hardware or not. it ain't on mine

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justinh:

hey, will mythtv work on Red Star OS ?

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justinh:

woo richer sounds have '3d ready' AV receivers in stock :-\

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sid3windr:

ones that are not flat?

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justinh:

HDMI 1.4

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justinh:

methinks the curse of the early adopter has never been quite so acute

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mag0o:

Ooo, samsung 2tb drive @ newegg $139

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justinh:

grrr. blimmin pound/dollar equivalence

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tzanger:

justinh: ??!

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tzanger:

the pound sterling is at par with USD?!

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tzanger:

no it's not

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tzanger:

the UKP is still about 50% stronger

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tzanger:

I was going to say there's no way the CAD is at par with UKP

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tzanger:

now mind you the australlian pound's at par

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tzanger:

maybe you're from there :-)

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justinh:

muh muh muh

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justinh:

see, your $1 of PC gear costs us Â£1

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justinh:

almost 1:1

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justinh:

no matter what the exchange rate

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justinh:

e.g. cheapest 2TB HDD here is still over Â£100

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j-rod:

grumble. next aduium release needs to highlight messages to you in a different color so you can find them in 600 lines of backlog when you reconnect to your irc proxy.

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: your proxy doesn't have a 'highlight' function/script? ;-)

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innatech:

out of curiousity....is there functionality in Myth for FM Radio time shifting? (And does using the FM tuner in a HVR1600 tie up the same analog audio stage used by the line level inputs?)

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: My highlights get echoed to '*highlight' on my proxy.

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devinheitmueller:

innatech: yes, you cannot use the radio at the same time as any other analog input.

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devinheitmueller:

(on the HVR-1600)

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innatech:

devinheitmueller: OK, thanks. So much for that idea!

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devinheitmueller:

They share a common pipeline for the i2s audio.

[14:32:10]

innatech:

yeah, thought it might be that way.

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j-rod:

J-e-f-f-A: historically, my client has taken care of that

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j-rod:

switched to a different client though, its irc support is still fairly young

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j-rod:

adium's growl integration is way better than either x-chat's or colloquy's

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j-rod:

I *have* thought about setting up my proxy to send me push notifications to my phone when someone either pm's me or keywords are present

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sphery:

wagnerrp: what's mfd? < wagnerrp> might be a good idea to stuff mfd into the queue, along with transcoding and commflagging

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sphery:

doesn't seem like mythfrontend daemon or mythfilldatabase would make sense there, so I'm out of guesses

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wagnerrp:

mythfilldatabase

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sphery:

why in the job queue?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: it would be run as an instantaneous tasks

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wagnerrp:

so it would preempt any other currently running task

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sphery:

since it's a one-time per all hosts per period job, not a per-recording job

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wagnerrp:

the jobqueue can be run for non-recordings

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sphery:

it seems the daily housekeeping makes sense for that

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wagnerrp:

the idea is MFD takes a lot of CPU

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sphery:

I guess if you plan to rework all of the housekeeping jobs to the queue so that we only have one loop running, it would make sense

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wagnerrp:

if i shove it in the jobqueue and allow it to preempt other tasks, it will follow the 'max concurrent jobs'

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wagnerrp:

most of the housekeeping tasks are internal to the binary though

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wagnerrp:

dont know how i would reference that in the database

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sphery:

I see what you're saying

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, putting it in as a job might make sense in other ways. it allows us to make sure it ran since it's a queued job. it allows us to run it anywhere. it's status is kept along with other jobs and can be seen in the regular interface.

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Captain_Murdoch:

ie, those people who don't keep their backends up 24x7.

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sphery:

cool

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Captain_Murdoch:

we could even build in the concept of a recurring job if we wanted to.

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Captain_Murdoch:

ie, just requeue a job when it's done, but it has some extra values that say 'run this once a day between 3–8AM'

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sphery:

I still think if we do that we should just move all the housekeeping into the job queue, though

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sphery:

could be "hardcoded" names to reference each housekeeping job where normally a script name would go

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, could make sense. the JOB_MIGRATE 'copy/move this file' job would be an internal job, no reason that there can't be others.

[15:29:31]

Captain_Murdoch:

scheduling would have to be thought out. some things are once per day on the master, some are once per day on all BE's, some are once per startup, etc.

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sphery:

guess if wagnerrp gets it started with mfdb, I can look at moving some of the others

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sphery:

that's also nice in that it simplifies mythmaster a bit (as the housekeeping would disappear--and everything would just be jobs)

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Beirdo:

The Price is Right ain't the same with Drew Carey hosting

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sphery:

The Host is Wrong?

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Beirdo:

yeah, seems Bob Barker retired... finally

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Beirdo:

the contestants are just as insane

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sphery:

and, really, the whole premise of the show makes no sense, anymore

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Beirdo:

true, but it's better than the "reality" TV crap

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sphery:

now that you have Amazon and buy.com and newegg, and ..., "how much does this cost" is a stupid question

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wagnerrp:

drew carey on the price is right?

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Beirdo:

yup

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skd5aner:

I like Drew Carey, not saying he's Bob Barker or anything, but there was a big rumor that the person they almost hired to host Price is Right after he retired was going to be Rosie O'Donnell... blech

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Beirdo:

he's the new host

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Beirdo:

OMG.

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Beirdo:

I would turn that right off.

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Beirdo:

I like Drew, but he's no Barker :)

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skd5aner:

yea, I liked his sitcom

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skd5aner:

and "Who's line is it anyway"

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Captain_Murdoch:

been the new host for quite a while. their prices are always screwey anyway, way off compared to our local prices for most things. it's like they're MSRP in Hawaii or something.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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skd5aner:

Yea, it's been a few years since he took over

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Beirdo:

yep, but still fun.. and like I've been home during the day :)

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: youre saying move the time limits from a global setting to a per-queue setting?

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Captain_Murdoch:

skd5aner, Rosie vs Drew, not much difference there except the glasses. :)

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Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: and the girlfriends

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skd5aner:

ha... maybe appearance wise, but I wouldn't go as far to say they're the same person

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, possibly. haven't given it much thought, but if we want to have 'run now' jobs that can run outside the window, we need to have some way to bypass the global window.

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Captain_Murdoch:

skd5aner, yeah, I like Drew, but not Rosie. I always thought they'd make a Dilbert movie with him as the lead.

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skd5aner:

:)

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skd5aner:

want!

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Captain_Murdoch:

Jason Alexander as the the other guy, the loudmouth redhead with that 'D-list' show as Alice.

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** Captain_Murdoch thinks that the right name, haven't read the comic in a while either. **

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wagnerrp:

the one from NewRadio?

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wagnerrp:

News Radio

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, I think so.

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Beirdo:

oooh, giving away a Chevy Cobalt

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Beirdo:

I think Jason Alexander would make a good Wally

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Beirdo:

the inspiration to all lazy workers :)

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wagnerrp:

what are you talking about, he already played that character in Seinfeld

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah

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Beirdo:

true nuff

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Beirdo:

but he even LOOKS like a Wally :)

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wagnerrp:

HAH, Seinfeld is recognized by the xchat spellchecker

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Beirdo:

Libery is STILL showing the ad with "C.D." from Walker, Texas Ranger for diabetes supplies

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Beirdo:

he died 6 years ago

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Beirdo:

your diabetes are under control now.

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wagnerrp:

at least hes not trying to sell robot insurance

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lep2:

howdy

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Beirdo:

apparently he died of a heart attack... in a Hardee's drive through

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lep2:

anyone here ever had a problem with ion box locking up when fast forwarding/seeking in mkv files when using vdpau ... it works fine with the normal 'high quality' setting ffmpeg and whatnot

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: would be better to just have an extra table to list what jobs can run where

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lep2:

Beirdo, lol no clue what you are talking about ... but I'm surprised Hardee's isn't full of stiffs ... everything on their menu is a heat attack waiting to happen

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wagnerrp:

i could let it double to as a match between auto-run of jobs as recording rules as well

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wagnerrp:

since i need one of those anyway

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wagnerrp:

i think i went to a hardees once

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wagnerrp:

and threw up

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lep2:

wagnerrp, lol

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Beirdo:

lep2: never been to Hardee's... but having a relatively famous actor die that way ain't good for business I'm sure (the guy who played C.D. on Walker, Texas Ranger... happened 6 years ago and a bit)

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wagnerrp:

i was a kid, i just wanted a hotdog

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iamlindoro:

Or for you west coast kids, "Carl's Jr."

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wagnerrp:

but no, they had to fill it with onions, and peppers, and other strange unknown fruits and vegetables

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lep2:

Beirdo, I remember that guy ... he wasn't exactly a picture of health

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: oh man, Sam Waterston is pretty conviencing when it comes to selling old people robot insurance

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: thats got to be in my top 5 favorite

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skd5aner:

for sure!!!

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wagnerrp:

it amazes me how few people get that reference, or have any idea what im talking about

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skd5aner:

they feed on pills, obviously

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skd5aner:

"Robots are everywhere, and they eat old people's medicine for fuel."

[15:52:07]

skd5aner:

"And when they grab you with those metal claws, you can't break free.. because they're made of metal, and robots are strong."

[15:52:12]

skd5aner:

ahhh – good times, good times

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Oleg_:

ill

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Oleg_:

I am talking about myself

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** Beirdo should be illin' **

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

packing sucks

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Beirdo:

got two bins of misc computer parts and cables to pack. blech

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Beirdo:

heya, kormoc_no_longer_afk :)

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Beirdo:

anyone interested in a Cisco 762?

[15:58:45]

Beirdo:

not like I use ISDN :)

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Oleg_:

my 220 gt card is supposed to arrive today

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Beirdo:

or a ZyXel Prestige 642M?

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kormoc:

Mornin'

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Oleg_:

ddr3 is better than ddr2?

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wagnerrp:

its a bigger number, right?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I want DDR9

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp: so, you think that for mythtv needs, a 220gt card is better than a 9500gt carrd?

[16:02:05]

wagnerrp:

neither has DDR2 or DDR3

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Beirdo:

WTH?

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp: but look: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002SISHQG

[16:03:07]

Beirdo:

some good weather girl you are.

[16:03:20]

Oleg_:

wagnerrp: that's the card that I ordered

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Beirdo:

she just called San Juan (in PR) Saint John

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Beirdo:

and get another facelift

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wagnerrp:

thats a lie...

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wagnerrp:

its got GDDR3

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wagnerrp:

a wholly different beast from DDR3

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Oleg_:

what makes GDDR3 different from DDR3?

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Beirdo:

a G.

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Beirdo:

obviously :)

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skd5aner:

but MY card has GDDR5 :P :P :P

[16:04:53]

skd5aner:

take that

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wagnerrp:

its just different tech

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Beirdo:

there's this thing called Google that will help you find such info :)

[16:05:10]

Oleg_:

ok

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wagnerrp:

anyway, all you real care about in a video card is bandwidth

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Oleg_:

anyway, you think that card will perform a little better than a 9500gt card?

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wagnerrp:

since it only deals with streaming data

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wagnerrp:

however for the purposes of mythtv (and VDPAU), it doesnt really matter

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wagnerrp:

since your data throughput is going to be dwarfed by even the slowest card

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Beirdo:

OK... CSI on Spike

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Beirdo:

that should do for background noise for more packing

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skd5aner:

If I recall right, for VDPAU, stream processors make the difference, correct?

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wagnerrp:

count and speed, yes

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skd5aner:

or was it shaders?

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Beirdo:

j-rod: ya in?

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, yeah, another table would be cleanest. just has to almost replicate settings though if we're allowing for expanding job names and hostnames since we have to store 'jobname', 'hostname', 'allow' in each row. almost same as 'value', 'hostname', and 'data' in the settings table. :)

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp: well, a 220gt card has more stream processors than a 9500gt card

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skd5aner:

Oleg_: Not to sound frustrated, but we've already told you that a GT 220 is basically a better card for this than a 9500

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: i was thinking cmdid, recid, and hostname

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wagnerrp:

ids should be easier to deal with than names

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skd5aner:

Oleg_: you seem to be worying too much

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wagnerrp:

repeatedly...

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Oleg_:

ok

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wagnerrp:

a 220 is somewhere better than a 8600, and lesser than a 9600

[16:11:47]

wagnerrp:

but i cant find any comparison with a 9500

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lep2:

for vdpau and just watching video you aren't really going to notice any difference between a 220gt or a 9500gt ... only difference is advanced 2x

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wagnerrp:

but it doesnt matter... just get the 220

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lep2:

if you are going to run advanced 2x get a 220

[16:12:14]

wagnerrp:

lep2: no, both cards will do it

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wagnerrp:

the 220 gets you better scalers

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: but in other ways, I think the 220 is better than a 9600 – honestly did the comparison like 3 months ago, so I don't recall all the details, but I think there's *some* pros that the 220 has over the 9600

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, yeah if we use cmdid multiple places. and you're talking about scheduled recordings 'autorun', not 'allow' this host to run this job as I was thinking you meant.

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lep2:

wagnerrp, right but when I was picking stuff out (granted a little while back) I read some reviews about occasional stutters with 2x and the 9500gt

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: i was talking about both, just use one table to do each

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wagnerrp:

s/each/both/

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Captain_Murdoch:

you mean overload recid or something?

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Captain_Murdoch:

how would you store in there that 'host X can run job Y'

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wagnerrp:

no, four columns, cmdid, recid, hostname, and allow

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wagnerrp:

just have one of recid or hostname be NULL

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Captain_Murdoch:

that overloading could get confusing to someone looking at it and means code has to do things like 'where cmdid = :CMDID and hostname = :HOSTNAME and recid IS NULL;' doesn't seem like a big deal to create 2 tables and make the code cleaner.

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wagnerrp:

you wouldnt have to check for NULL, it just wouldnt match

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why im so concerned about not adding new tables...

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wagnerrp:

ive only got over 100 in my current mythconverg

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Captain_Murdoch:

so when looking up whether to queue a job for a recordid, you'd select where cmdid = :CMDID; and recordid = :RECORDID. for looking up whether a job is allowed to run on host X, you'd select where cmdid = :CMDID and hostname = :X. definitely seems like 2 tables are in order to me.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: re: setting up an sms/email your phone when you get an PM, etc – I've wanted to do that myself, but haven't had the time to work on it.... Especially useful when @ work and the NX session isn't in the foreground... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

j-rod: But my proxy creates a '*highlight' channel on my IRC client with any mentions of my Nick, so that's a halfway decent compromise for now.

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wagnerrp:

you know youre a douche to core, when youre dead, and your funeral train is going 40mph down the highway, hosing up traffic for miles

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: that gives us all something to look forward to :)

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Beirdo:

causing that one last traffic jam :)

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Beirdo:

oooh, look at Spike messing up encoding... hehe

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wagnerrp:

is that spike? or is that a bad satellite feed

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Beirdo:

or a bad cable provider? or all of the above? :)

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Beirdo:

dunno

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markl_:

iamlindoro: w00t did you get my message in #mythtv ?

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markl_:

thanks a ton for the patch

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sphery:

markl_: yeah, he got it, and he applied the patch

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markl_:

cool

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markl_:

i am very happy about it

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AndyCap:

someone really likes recording tv. :P http://tvsearcher.snapstream.com/2010/04/intr . . . arch-engine/

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wagnerrp:

why so big?

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tzanger:

damn, how'd they get pics of my backend?

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AndyCap:

heh. wonder if they're using pvr-500 in there, should run myth just peachy then

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tzanger:

or a whole lot of hvr1250s

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wagnerrp:

whatever theyre using, its dual tuners

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AndyCap:

the guy mounting the cards has a tux sweater

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wagnerrp:

looks like analog, 500s

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AndyCap:

the addon connector looks familiar

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wagnerrp:

wait wait... what?

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wagnerrp:

'Note: Due to the higher bitrates, if you were to do this with digital recording sources like QAM or ATSC, each server would only do 5 shows per box'

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wagnerrp:

WTF are they smoking

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AndyCap:

yeah, they must have crappy analog bitrates

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wagnerrp:

a single hard drive could handle 10 digital recordings

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AndyCap:

or they don't have dual digital, and made something up

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AndyCap:

:P

[17:41:54]

AndyCap:

but they could still do multirec since they're just scarfing down tv

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wagnerrp:

theyre going overboard with something like that

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sphery:

AndyCap: it was posted to the -users list with link http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/snapstream . . . e-even-when/ , which says it's actually 5 snapstream DVR's

[17:42:40]

wagnerrp:

and they use something as plebian as bonded GbE?

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wagnerrp:

seriously guys... 10GbE or infiniband

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iamlindoro:

Imagine the mythbackend memory leaks on that! </tongueincheek>

[17:43:27]

iamlindoro:

markl_: Thank you for testing, yes, I committed to trunk and fixes

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wagnerrp:

yeah, its five servers, with 10 tuners each

[17:43:47]

wagnerrp:

all slaved into a master controller (like myth)

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AndyCap:

and distributed transcoding, like myth. :P

[17:44:04]

sphery:

I just don't get the "TV Search" name

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Beirdo:

bleh

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iamlindoro:

sphery: They transcribe all the CC's to text files, index them, and make them searchable

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AndyCap:

http://www.snapstream.com/enterprise/?utm_sou . . . rise+Marquee

[17:44:39]

iamlindoro:

sphery: So a corporation could monitor all channels and get clips of any mentions, etc.

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jamesd2:

i can do 2x full HD streams onto a single 250GB Sata drive and the box is less than 10% busy... no real io usage....

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sphery:

ah

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AndyCap:

sphery: oh, I thought that was somewhat obvious from the text on the box

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wagnerrp:

yeah, this is a commercial product, rather than anything a consumer might ever build

[17:45:39]

wagnerrp:

as seen by the HD-SDI video output

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sphery:

yeah, I realized it wasn't consumer-oriented... just didn't know what "search" meant

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wagnerrp:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/snapstream/4499872647/

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wagnerrp:

those look like 500s to me

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://www.flickr.com/photos/snapstream/45005 . . . 23791144034/

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sphery:

WinTV definitely visible

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AndyCap:

but, does it do eit data. :P

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AndyCap:

or what it's called in atsc land

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wagnerrp:

EIT

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sphery:

in ATSC, I think it's called "useless"

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

or 'hit and miss'

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AndyCap:

you'd only need now and next. or just now.

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** Beirdo has cables and crap all over the king-sized bed. **

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sphery:

that's available through VBI, even

[17:48:23]

Beirdo:

great time to run outta steam on packing

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RyeBrye:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/snapstream . . . e-even-when/ I think some guys in here can almost rival that setup

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wagnerrp:

nah, not even close

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** Beirdo yawns **

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wagnerrp:

although i think devinheitmueller has like 20+ tuners laying around

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: did you just find that? or have you been reading the backlog?

[17:50:04]

Beirdo:

with multirec... he could get close :)

[17:50:13]

iamlindoro:

Well, might be able to record 50 channels at once, but not 50 multiplexes :)

[17:50:13]

RyeBrye:

oh, just found that...

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** RyeBrye reads backlock **

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sphery:

wasn't that a show in the '80's

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wagnerrp:

no, that was Matlog

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

guess he's reading the transcription created by snapstreams tv search engine

[17:51:30]

sphery:

The "We think we're cooler than Google" one :)

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Beirdo:

more like "we are too dumb to get hired at Google"

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sphery:

lol

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Beirdo:

heck, I got turned down myself :)

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sphery:

who says you weren't "too" the other way?

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wagnerrp:

they dropped their consumer product?

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Beirdo:

heh, who knows... Google hiring is always a... crapshoot...

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Beirdo:

but I got me a new job anyways :)

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Beirdo:

yay

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sphery:

wagnerrp: did they? Looks like this is it -> http://www.snapstream.com/products/beyondtv/

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sphery:

# New! Clear QAM support for recording digital TV signals.

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sphery:

wow!

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iamlindoro:

They have basically stopped development on it

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iamlindoro:

it's still available, but it's not going anywhere

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sphery:

really... that's interesting

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sphery:

but they still sell it for $99

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sphery:

did they announce why?

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** Beirdo yawns **

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Beirdo:

OK, that's enough packing for the moment

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Beirdo:

time for something more intellectually challenging

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Their corporate business was making them more money

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iamlindoro:

so they're focusing on it

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Beirdo:

j-rod: you in yet? ;)

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sphery:

I see... Makes sense (especially with the cost of consumer support)

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devinheitmueller:

stupid consumers.

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sphery:

heh

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devinheitmueller:

always expecting to be able to record programs with the tuner they bought.

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Beirdo:

devinheitmueller: hehe. they are just another type of luser :)

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sphery:

Nice... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_PV . . . PVR_features under "Subscription Free Electronic Program Guide"

[18:02:31]

sphery:

Pretty sure the "Yes" for Freevo applies equally to MythTV--"Yes, if you *steal* it"

[18:03:09]

sphery:

wonder about CTpvr... Probably the smae

[18:03:33]

iamlindoro:

And includes non-PVR software in the table

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iamlindoro:

heh

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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sphery:

though that one supports multiple tv tuner cards!

[18:04:09]

sphery:

13.^ XBMC Media Center supports the SiliconDust HDHomerun with the MyTV Plugin.

[18:04:28]

sphery:

XBMC supports it by using a program that supports it!

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sphery:

iamlindoro: "Personalized Intelligent Recording and Scheduling [4]" for MythTV is "External add-on[3]"

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sphery:

lol

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sphery:

what a useless page

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I should add in a [15] for Freevo's "free" EPG that says, "If you steal the data."

[18:08:14]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Likely the case with at least several of the others, too

[18:08:19]

sphery:

agreed

[18:08:23]

iamlindoro:

sphery: And free EPG available for MythTV too

[18:08:30]

iamlindoro:

*By geographic area

[18:08:36]

sphery:

yeah, I'm actually fixing that

[18:10:19]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I'm changing it to "Yes" with: "In areas where program listings data is available without violating copyright laws or data owners' Terms of Service." What should I put for the "In North America" part

[18:11:21]

iamlindoro:

"In North America, MythTV provides legally licensed EPG for a nominal fee of $20/year." ?

[18:11:27]

iamlindoro:

EPG data

[18:11:29]

sphery:

wonderful

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iamlindoro:

suggestion only

[18:12:07]

iamlindoro:

Don't fee the need to use it

[18:12:10]

iamlindoro:

feel

[18:13:46]

kormoc:

%s/MythTV/Schedules Direct/ ?

[18:13:57]

sphery:

Yeah, I'm using it and already did that swap

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iamlindoro:

indeed, good change

[18:14:40]

sphery:

Would love to say that if not using SD, you're probably stealing data

[18:14:59]

sphery:

JohnnyJboss: Oh, you thought I meant the list? Sorry.

[18:15:15]

JohnnyJboss:

somehow I overlooked the #

[18:15:23]

sphery:

heh

[18:15:28]

JohnnyJboss:

I haven't used IRC in YEARS

[18:15:33]

sphery:

I'll be right with you. I'm fixing some lies in wikipeida

[18:15:44]

JohnnyJboss:

someone has to

[18:16:28]

JohnnyJboss:

http://xkcd.com/386/

[18:18:00]

sphery:

heh

[18:19:00]

sphery:

JohnnyJboss: So, you mean use xdg-screensaver's reset functionality with a once/50s poke like we do for gnome-screensaver and xscreensaver?

[18:19:04]

JohnnyJboss:

take your time – I'm at the day job

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JohnnyJboss:

nope

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sphery:

so which way?

[18:19:32]

** skd5aner is wondering if he should just go ahead and upgrade now to the .23-fixes branch **

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JohnnyJboss:

id the test for xdg-screensaver passes (similar to the tests for the gnome and xscreen) then we use the suspend functionality rather than all that poking

[18:20:24]

JohnnyJboss:

that way the #if #else logic in the PP includes in screensaver.cpp barely changes

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JohnnyJboss:

otherwise I need a way to define USING_XDG just like USING_X11

[18:21:37]

sphery:

I mainly wanted a new class so we didn't have all the timer garbage in there--since it would be a very simplistic one.

[18:21:55]

JohnnyJboss:

i can see that as a good goal

[18:21:57]

sphery:

We need the xdg-screensaver test to be at runtime, not compile time, so we can't do it with #ifdef

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JohnnyJboss:

i was seeing that...

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sphery:

so I just assumed we'd put a quick check in screensaver.cpp inside the USING_X11 ifdef

[18:22:33]

JohnnyJboss:

and that would look like ?

[18:22:40]

sphery:

(until we remove gnome-screensaver and screensaver support--at which point it just uses xdg-screensaver :)

[18:22:42]

JohnnyJboss:

you can't call a function fron in there

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JohnnyJboss:

in there = pp statements

[18:23:17]

JohnnyJboss:

unless I've not found that how to

[18:23:54]

JohnnyJboss:

could we require the xdg-utils package?

[18:23:57]

sphery:

I mean put a C++ conditional around ScreenSaverSingleton = new ScreenSaverX11(); inside the #if defined(USING_X11)

[18:24:01]

JohnnyJboss:

and then assume it's there on USING_X11

[18:24:16]

sphery:

The #if defined(USING_X11) only determines whether the code is seen by the compiler

[18:25:18]

JohnnyJboss:

ah so, yes, USING_X11 will now mean to use xdg-screensaver, adding xdg-utils to the list of required packages

[18:25:23]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, [24026] for the rec priority fix.

[18:25:32]

sphery:

So: if (ScreenSaverXDG::IsAvailable()) { ScreenSaverSingleton = new ScreenSaverXDG(); } else { ScreenSaverSingleton = new ScreenSaverX11(); }

[18:26:06]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: wow. thanks. I'm sorry for being so slow on it--I figured you could do it faster than you could explain it to me.

[18:26:13]

JohnnyJboss:

those ScreenSaverSingleton = new ScreenSaverXDG(); statements are in PP commands too

[18:26:33]

spiffydudex:

Hello all

[18:26:43]

Captain_Murdoch:

nah, I don't know what I was thinking in the original version. filllist() is only used when we load, so moving the sortlist() out of it and into Init() makes more sense.

[18:27:02]

Captain_Murdoch:

if you want to verify that fix, you can put it to -fixes or else I can do it later.

[18:27:07]

Captain_Murdoch:

s/put/push/

[18:27:31]

JohnnyJboss:

so those lines say: #if defined(USING_X11)

[18:27:33]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: thanks. I'll verify and push it for you.

[18:27:41]

Captain_Murdoch:

and I think I made it more complicated when describing because I didn't remember the code.

[18:27:50]

spiffydudex:

I was wondering if I could get some help to troubleshoot a strange issue I am having in Mythtv with livetv being mirrored down the center of the screen.

[18:27:53]

Captain_Murdoch:

end solution was much easier than I described

[18:28:01]

sphery:

JohnnyJboss: do you have some code already? I can take it and mod it for what I was thinking if you like.

[18:28:19]

sphery:

Otherwise, I'll come up with a framework for you (which may just need a good testing :)

[18:28:24]

JohnnyJboss:

and AFIK, you can't say: #if (ScreenSaverXDG::IsAvailable())

[18:28:48]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, noticed this solution is nice, simple, and elegant.

[18:28:55]

sphery:

JohnnyJboss: no #... Just a C++ if

[18:29:39]

sphery:

the code is only used once to create the ScreenSaverControl object, so it's ok if we have a little code determining which one to use at runtime

[18:29:42]

JohnnyJboss:

ok – right – so remove those lines from being PP statments

[18:30:18]

JohnnyJboss:

roger that – and thank you much

[18:31:05]

sphery:

the grrr... pastebin.ca seems dead, again

[18:31:36]

sphery:

JohnnyJboss: something like: http://pastebin.com/cGgXFpi6

[18:32:02]

sphery:

JohnnyJboss: then just make ScreenSaverXDG::IsAvailable() a static function that does the check to see if xdg-screensaver is installed/available in path

[18:33:01]

sphery:

JohnnyJboss: BTW, your sigh on the list... Was that just a "I just finished upgrading to 0.22-fixes, and now I have to upgrade to 0.23-fixes" sentiment or what?

[18:33:16]

sphery:

just wondering what I'm forgetting in recommending an upgrade

[18:34:28]

** sphery realizes he wasn't in his MythTV directories when editing that pastebin, so he has 2-space indents (his own coding standards) where MythTV standards say use 4-space indents **

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[18:35:41]

JohnnyJboss:

the sigh was because I'm tempted to upgrade from .22-fixes (from svn) to .23-fixes but I'm worried about my uptime record and the WAF

[18:35:43]

spiffydudex:

can anyone help me?

[18:36:00]

wagnerrp:

spiffydudex: ATI graphics?

[18:36:05]

spiffydudex:

Nvidia

[18:36:08]

spiffydudex:

Ion

[18:36:21]

spiffydudex:

It works fine in TVTime

[18:36:50]

sphery:

JohnnyJboss: ah, I understand... I figured it must be more emotions than technical--because 0.23-fixes seems to be in /really/ good shape.

[18:37:14]

JohnnyJboss:

maybe if I made a backup....

[18:37:18]

sphery:

(like I'm wasting Captain_Murdoch's time on not-important things like making sorting work on Set Priorities/Recording Rules :)

[18:37:31]

sphery:

because all the important ones are fixed ;)

[18:37:38]

wReck:

Question from a newbie: Using two HVR-2250 input cards (2x digital atsc tuners each) with a single source (digital cable) do I need to group them into a single input group?

[18:37:40]

sphery:

definitely do the DB backup

[18:37:52]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, I need -fixes to be really stable so I can upgrade to it without WAF going down. :)

[18:38:04]

wagnerrp:

wReck: input groups are only to be used if you have multiple inputs, that can only be used one at a time

[18:38:18]

wagnerrp:

for instance, both firewire and analog capture off an single STB

[18:38:29]

JohnnyJboss:

maybe i can garner support based on an EPG background image problem we're seeing lately....

[18:38:30]

wagnerrp:

or a hybrid tuner that can only record off digital or analog, but not both at the same time

[18:38:40]

** JohnnyJboss is scheming to upgrade **

[18:39:00]

wagnerrp:

wReck: since your tuners will both be receiving the same signal, you create one source, and use that single source for both tuners

[18:39:04]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Heh, yeah. People who know my back story (or the rest of the story that I haven't advertised) would be quite impressed that I'm actually considering upgrading production to 0.23-fixes now instead of waiting for the end of the TV season.

[18:39:22]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, hence why I stated yesterday that the HDHR issue was a blocker in my opinion. "why didn't Dancing With the Stars record last night??"

[18:39:50]

spiffydudex:

I setup VDPAU and installed the latest Nvidia driver thinking that would be the issue. But it seems like it is a display issue in myth and I dont know myth well enough to know where to start with debug/testing

[18:39:54]

sphery:

better question, "Why is ABC airing DWTS instead of Lost enhanced episodes?"

[18:40:08]

wagnerrp:

DWTS?

[18:40:19]

JohnnyJboss:

brb – they expect me to be working

[18:41:04]

sphery:

wReck: TTBOMK, both tuners on each HVR-2250 can be used concurrently. Therefore, you would not define input groups--input groups say, "If you're using this tuner for anything, you can't use this other tuner."

[18:41:24]

sphery:

wagnerrp: Dancing With the Stars... It's what we DWTS fans use to refer to the show, affectionately

[18:41:54]

iamlindoro:

"Don't Watch This S..."

[18:42:02]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: +1

[18:42:15]

** sphery wonders if anyone in here did the math after his "instead of waiting for the end of the TV season" comment to figure out which version of MythTV he's running in production **

[18:42:33]

iamlindoro:

sphery: The answer is obvious

[18:42:37]

sphery:

lol

[18:42:38]

iamlindoro:

the last stable version

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iamlindoro:

0.18

[18:42:56]

wReck:

sphery and wagnerrp: thanks!

[18:43:09]

wReck:

IRC on Pidgin is a bit lacking...

[18:43:15]

sphery:

iamlindoro: Well, no. That was the plan, but\ I had UPnP enabled and UPnP upgraded my production system to 0.21-fixes, so I'm stuck there. :(

[18:43:28]

sphery:

It does that. I can show you the threads.

[18:43:31]

iamlindoro:

sphery: uPnP is the problem, then! ;)

[18:43:36]

sphery:

yep

[18:43:44]

iamlindoro:

Anyone know how I can disable it in gentoo?

[18:43:45]

iamlindoro:

;)

[18:44:31]

sphery:

I think full instructions are at http://www.mythbuntu.org/

[18:44:43]

sphery:

disables /all/ the bad stuff in Gentoo

[18:44:48]

iamlindoro:

ha

[18:45:03]

iamlindoro:

Hey, this mythbuntu is borken, there's no libmythui-osd overlay

[18:45:23]

wagnerrp:

well at least he took it down...

[18:45:42]

sphery:

heh

[18:46:00]

iamlindoro:

yes, it was very nice of him to be understanding

[18:46:02]

sphery:

Gentoo isn't bad if the right people use it. Unfortunately...

[18:46:07]

iamlindoro:

I award him full points for that

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sphery:

and bonus points for not even arguing

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, we record practially every show on USA and some off TNT, so our season never ends. that's why I have to bite the bullet sometime and upgrade on a weekend.

[18:59:12]

Captain_Murdoch:

s/every/every primetime/

[18:59:27]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Caught up on Justified, it is indeed worth watching

[18:59:46]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: heh. Yeah, well, I'm considering the 0.21-fixes to 0.23-fixes upgrade in season because I like where 0.23-fixes is in terms of stability.

[19:00:21]

sphery:

Since I don't have cable, my season ends, then they show some really good shows during the summer, but I know they'll cancel them all after 1–8 episodes, so...

[19:00:34]

** iamlindoro weeps for Defying Gravity **

[19:00:50]

sphery:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

On the other hand, you still need to watch Farscape

[19:02:02]

iamlindoro:

and that takes precedence above all things!

[19:02:04]

sphery:

I do

[19:02:07]

iamlindoro:

Like eating, working, bathing!

[19:02:16]

sphery:

well, acquiring it has to come first...

[19:02:35]

sphery:

I haven't decided that it's worth buying it, now, when I still have so many seasons of other shows to watch

[19:02:45]

sphery:

(and when those seasons are taking up space on my HDD :)

[19:02:53]

iamlindoro:

It is.

[19:03:04]

sphery:

I figure I'll get to it when I get caught up with all my other shows :)

[19:03:11]

iamlindoro:

...

[19:03:29]

iamlindoro:

!trout sphery

[19:03:29]

** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

[19:03:32]

sphery:

I've been keeping my total recordings in the 1300–1350 range for months, now

[19:03:47]

sphery:

so at least I've stopped the growth

[19:04:51]

wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: is USA even running anything currently? looks like all reruns to me

[19:04:52]

skd5aner:

# of recordings?

[19:04:58]

skd5aner:

or space?

[19:05:21]

skd5aner:

cause, 1350... that's a lot of TV to catch up on :)

[19:05:23]

sphery:

# of recordings

[19:05:54]

skd5aner:

unwatched?

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[19:05:59]

sphery:

space is in the 6TB range

[19:06:04]

sphery:

yeah, I watch and delete everything

[19:06:06]

sphery:

no archiving

[19:06:25]

sphery:

5.9TiB currently

[19:06:27]

skd5aner:

per a mythweb check right now: 399 programs, using 1.3 TB (17 days 24 mins) out of 1.4 TB (16 GB free).

[19:06:36]

sphery:

Capt James TiBerius Kirk

[19:06:37]

wagnerrp:

oof

[19:06:38]

skd5aner:

I would say maybe 50 of those are for archiving

[19:06:50]

Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, In Plain Sight is recording now it appears, just saw on original air date of 3/31/2010

[19:07:26]

sphery:

skd5aner: 1341 programs, using 5.9 TB (1 month 26 days 7 hrs 28 mins)

[19:07:39]

sphery:

0 for archiving. 0 watched

[19:07:41]

skd5aner:

:-O

[19:08:01]

sphery:

I'm considering just building another computer to watch them for me.

[19:08:07]

skd5aner:

hope it's not to personal to ask, but someone helping you watch those or are those just *your* recordings?

[19:08:14]

skd5aner:

s/to/too

[19:08:21]

sphery:

So Myth records, then the computer watches them, so all my TV is done automatically.

[19:08:34]

JohnnyJboss:

sphery: i just gto back to check the pastbin – looks good – thanks

[19:08:35]

sphery:

just mine :)

[19:09:29]

skd5aner:

you know... if you'd just spend a little less time in IRC, on the mailing list, and in general being a great contributor to myth and the community – you might actually be able to *use* mythtv!! :D

[19:09:37]

sphery:

JohnnyJboss: cool... Let me know if you have any questions or if my plan won't work for some reason. I don't know details about window ID's, either, so don't know if we get a new one for the playback window (in which case there's no reason to resume) or if it's the same as the mfe window (in which case you'll have to find a way to resume).

[19:10:24]

sphery:

I could probably find out more about the window ID's from markk, but once you figure out how to get window ID's, it should be just as easy to put some debugging in to see

[19:10:35]

Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, but then we still have the final season of Monk sitting there unwatched as well. :|

[19:10:37]

sphery:

(if the ID changes)

[19:10:47]

wagnerrp:

article on Ars about the Verizon CEO saying hes going to hunt people down and throttle them

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[19:11:13]

wagnerrp:

guess theyre offering a new type of battery to go along with their smart phones

[19:11:25]

sphery:

I have the final season of The Unit sitting there unwatched. I enjoyed a few of the first season episodes, but then it went all Army Wives, and then all Government Conspiracy, and now I don't know if I'll even watch it.

[19:11:29]

sphery:

may just delete without watching

[19:11:43]

skd5aner:

sphery: oh man, I loved that show :'(

[19:11:45]

sphery:

wagnerrp: throttle data usage?

[19:12:03]

wagnerrp:

sphery: well thats just not as fun...

[19:12:08]

** skd5aner mourns **

[19:12:08]

sphery:

skd5aner: was the last season workthwile?

[19:12:24]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, true... just wondering if that /was/ what he meant

[19:12:25]

skd5aner:

sphery: yea, a little...

[19:12:39]

sphery:

OK, so maybe I'll have to watch it before getting to Farscape. :)

[19:12:47]

wagnerrp:

yes, hes talking about heavy mobile internet users

[19:12:52]

skd5aner:

sphery: it came back around... it felt a bit rushed

[19:12:52]

sphery:

funny

[19:13:12]

JohnnyJboss:

sphery: i'm looking forward seeing how the windowid class in QT behaves. according to the source it's a ulong so i'm guessing it will cast

[19:13:13]

sphery:

yeah, they had a lot to tie up with all they opened up in a couple of the seasons

[19:13:41]

stuartm:

sphery: last series did continue the conspiracy line and though it couldn't touch the earlier series, it was never bad

[19:13:54]

skd5aner:

I liked Jericho too, and there last season was even more rushed... the series finale was basically a joke

[19:14:10]

sphery:

well, that's /much/ higher praise than I expected of it, so I'll plan to actually watch it

[19:14:27]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, I liked Jericho--though I'll admit it was a bit preachy at times

[19:15:05]

stuartm:

sphery: well my memory of it might not be great, so if I'm wrong don't hold it against me ;)

[19:15:29]

skd5aner:

sphery: I'm waiting for producers to get less preachy, yet it's harder to find now-a-days

[19:15:55]

skd5aner:

stuartm: mine too, can't remember the whole last season – I do remember the last episode though

[19:16:13]

skd5aner:

the did leave it a bit open ended, I appreciated that

[19:16:14]

sphery:

stuartm: heh, I never hold anyone accountable for having tastes that differ from mine

[19:16:29]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, that's definitely true. Lots of shows do the preaching, now.

[19:16:56]

skd5aner:

sphery: my wife actually liked The Unit too, but man did she get frustrated at the wifes always screwing s*** up

[19:17:05]

sphery:

no joke

[19:17:21]

stuartm:

I could take or leave Jericho, it was all a bit too cosy, I liked the premise but not the execution

[19:17:27]

skd5aner:

she hates all the women on 24 too, they're always the reason things go south, with the occasional exception (Chloe)

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sphery:

I haven't watched 24

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skd5aner:

stuartm: that's how I feel about "Flash Forward", I like the premise, but they don't execute it very well

[19:18:13]

sphery:

didn't have enough tuners when it premiered, and don't want to watch it from some random season

[19:18:39]

skd5aner:

sphery: make's sense... after about season 5, there wasn't much tie in to previous seasons

[19:18:48]

sphery:

Flash Forward is also within my 1341 unwatched recordings

[19:18:52]

stuartm:

I watched the first two series of, but I was already sick of it halfway through the second, so many twists it left you dizzy and a little nauseous

[19:18:53]

skd5aner:

but seasons 1–4/5 did link together nicely

[19:19:11]

skd5aner:

also, 24 is MUCH more fun to watch on DVD

[19:19:42]

skd5aner:

We'd watch 1–2 discs a night when we were trying to catch up

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stuartm:

skd5aner: it's funny, but I don't really have a problem with Flash Forward, too glossy maybe but I didn't think they were getting it far wrong

[19:20:20]

skd5aner:

you don't feel like enough happens in an hour, because the climax is always in the last 3 mins of the episode, and waiting a week kind of takes the edge off

[19:20:45]

skd5aner:

stuartm: I like the last 2 episodes, I feel like (in my head) it's coming around

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stuartm:

s/two series of/two series of 24/

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skd5aner:

stuartm: s/last 2 episodes/last 2 episodes of flash forward

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skd5aner:

umm, well, that's a bit vauge, cause I'm a few episodes behind

[19:22:10]

skd5aner:

the episode where the two physicists got kidnapped

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stuartm:

skd5aner: the constant cliffhangers of 24 just irritated me in the end, and the pacing just left you exhausted – which also killed any sense of realism for me, if I'm exhausted sitting down watching an episode, it's beyond reality to suggest that those folks were still on their feet

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skd5aner:

heh

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sphery:

um, but it's Jack Bauer... He could handle it!

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iamlindoro:

I don't care for the glorification of torture, personally

[19:25:22]

skd5aner:

I'm glad they have excellent bladder control... or maybe that's what happens during the commercials

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iamlindoro:

Hackneyed, predictable plots aside

[19:25:53]

iamlindoro:

*every* problem in 24 is solved through torture. Every one.

[19:25:59]

stuartm:

and when you really stop and think about all the events happening in one day? e.g. The CTU has just been attacked for the 4th time by gunmen and you end up wondering a) Where are the damn police/army b) Why does no-one lock the door? c) Why is no-one in shock?

[19:26:29]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: not this season – no torture yet (except Jack was tortured once with battery cables)

[19:26:34]

iamlindoro:

stuarta: d) Who does background investigations at CTU since they're all traitors

[19:26:44]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: most previous season, yes

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: oh that's a good one

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: that's the one thing that has just been rediculous – the moles

[19:27:46]

skd5aner:

it's not even a surprise anymore

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skd5aner:

also, the fact that they get hit by something like an EMP, and an hour later every piece of electronic equipment is back up because "they were able to hook directly into the trunk line" – even my wife was like "wtf?"

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stuartm:

if the US government wanted to eliminate all the foreign spies, moles and terrorist infiltrators in the country, they just need to drop a 500lb bomb on CTU's LA HQ

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skd5aner:

NY this season stuartm :)

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stuartm:

heh, well like I said, I stopped watching years ago :)

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skd5aner:

I do like it when folks talk about some of their current fav shows, some of them I haven't heard of, so I go and check it out to see if I might like to try it out

[19:33:05]

skd5aner:

Currently, I'm enjoying Archer :) And when it's on, I like Sons of Anarchy – both are on FX

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stuartm:

Archer is starting to feel a little repetative and I don't think they are doing enough with the concept

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stuartm:

Sons of Anarchy is ok, but it's not really gripped me

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miner49er:

Hey there! Can anyone explain why mythfrontends (and myth-setup) is now complaining that my database schema is newer than the version of mythtv I am running? I havn't done an update/upgrade or anything

[19:42:42]

iamlindoro:

what are the revisions it reports?

[19:42:51]

iamlindoro:

schema versions, that is

[19:43:24]

stuartm:

Archer seems intentionally to avoid placing itself in a particular period, it has 60s style, a Soviet style bad guy but everyone is using mobiles

[19:43:39]

miner49er:

It doesn't actually report any schema version

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miner49er:

is there are verbose mode...?

[19:44:11]

iamlindoro:

miner49er: Anyway, the long and the short is that you have run *some* myth application that was a newer version than the one on the rest of your network

[19:44:12]

wagnerrp:

are you reading this error from the GUI?

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wagnerrp:

because the terminal logs will report the version

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miner49er:

no, all from command line

[19:44:53]

wagnerrp:

you dont see any 4-digit numbers?

[19:45:02]

miner49er:

I did run a newer version last week that complained that it required a new databse – it has worked fine up until now

[19:45:10]

iamlindoro:

resulting in an upgrade of the schema, making it now necessary to upgrade the rest of your system or restore your DB from the backup

[19:45:20]

skd5aner:

stuartm: I think it's just a spoof, of spy-based themes, but based in today

[19:45:25]

miner49er:

But why would it only show up now?

[19:45:33]

iamlindoro:

miner49er: Version check occurs at startup of the app

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wagnerrp:

you just recently restarted mythtv?

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sphery:

miner49er: because there's an issue with *buntu upgrades where things don't restart properly

[19:45:54]

sphery:

and you just restarted, like wagnerrp said /before me/

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miner49er:

I have started and stopped mythbackend a few times since running the newer frontend

[19:46:01]

** sphery is too slow **

[19:46:32]

sphery:

but you just did your first reboot since then?

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miner49er:

The only thing I have done today is actually rebooted the server – but I'm sure I rebooted another time too

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** sphery thinks it was the reboot that finally properly restarted things **

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, there's no magic to it, the database has been upgraded

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miner49er:

NOOOOOO!!!!!!!

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sphery:

miner49er: regardless, you /must/ now upgrade everything

[19:47:31]

miner49er:

I'm really depressed about this

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sphery:

or roll back to a week-old backup

[19:47:33]

iamlindoro:

which means you need to revert to a backed up database, or upgrade the rest of your system

[19:47:35]

miner49er:

I could cry

[19:47:41]

sphery:

why?

[19:47:45]

sphery:

0.23-fixes is better

[19:47:52]

wagnerrp:

yeah, just finish the upgrade

[19:48:05]

miner49er:

Because, I 've JUST got my missis making use of it after having it running for over 3 years :-(

[19:48:18]

miner49er:

The digital switch off has forced her to use it

[19:48:41]

miner49er:

And the machine she uses is the one in the bedroom – an XBOX running XBMC :-(((

[19:48:53]

miner49er:

which will probably be a pain to upgrade

[19:49:22]

miner49er:

I make no backups of my database either

[19:49:34]

sphery:

but mythtv makes a backup before it upgrades your db

[19:49:36]

iamlindoro:

Lucky, Myth does it for you if you are properly configured

[19:49:48]

miner49er:

does it?

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sphery:

so you likely have a week-old backup in your recordings directory (or your backups dir if you specified one)

[19:49:57]

miner49er:

where would that configuration lie?

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iamlindoro:

In your DB Backups storage group location, or failing that, the Default SG

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sphery:

you will lose all your recordings from after that backup was done

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sphery:

or failing that, /tmp (which is helpfully emptied by most distros on reboot :)

[19:50:41]

miner49er:

meh, no biggie – I can live with losing those

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sphery:

miner49er: my recommendation for the new recordings is to stuff them in MythVideo

[19:51:05]

wagnerrp:

for ~$200, you can get a fairly nice myth frontend

[19:51:10]

wagnerrp:

that will play any content you throw at it

[19:51:15]

sphery:

fairly nice...

[19:51:19]

miner49er:

does this look like a backup mythconverg-1214–20100408194813.sql.gz?

[19:51:29]

wagnerrp:

s/fairly nice/better than what i use currently/

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sphery:

$200 is the max I would pay for a frontend

[19:51:44]

sphery:

that would be my definition of a super-frontend :)

[19:51:50]

miner49er:

Yeah, but I paid about Â£10 for the xbox

[19:51:56]

sphery:

yeah, better than what I use currently, too

[19:52:08]

sphery:

miner49er: and you get what you pay for :)

[19:52:08]

wagnerrp:

sphery: im taking into account the fact that memory prices when up, and you have to purchase a case and IR receiver

[19:52:23]

sphery:

ah, yeah, memory is a bit more now

[19:52:24]

miner49er:

yes, the xbox is fairly shit – but it works!

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sphery:

language please

[19:52:34]

wagnerrp:

s/but it works//

[19:52:43]

sphery:

s/fairly ????/fairly bad/

[19:52:54]

skd5aner:

I had mythfrontend on an XBOX for a couple years way back in the day

[19:52:56]

miner49er:

@sphery: sry

[19:53:04]

sphery:

guess for real regex, I should do s/fairly ..../fairly bad/

[19:53:10]

stuartm:

skd5aner: oh sure, it's not a complaint, just an observation and the style owes much to shows like The Man from Uncle or Get Smart, but if I were to make a complaint it's that they spend more time on the characters personal drama than they do breaking any new ground in the Spy Spoof genre (which is hardly new, Get Smart/Austin Powers/Casino Royale/Spy Hard etc)

[19:53:35]

skd5aner:

stuartm: yup – well treaded ground :)

[19:54:26]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: sure, but sealab 2021 had nothing to do with science, and little to do with being in a lab under the sea

[19:55:01]

miner49er:

Gutted about all this (losing the DB) as I've just managed to get a 3rd tuner working today :-(

[19:55:17]

skd5aner:

BIZARRO! BIZARRO!

[19:55:17]

wagnerrp:

tuners are easy

[19:55:25]

wagnerrp:

takes 30 seconds to set up in mythtv

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jolaren:

Can anyone help me? My mythweb is in spanish

[19:55:37]

jolaren:

for some reason

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wagnerrp:

hard part is usually getting the drivers working, and if necessary figuring out the irblaster

[19:55:43]

jolaren:

and I cant guide myself to the place where I can change language

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wagnerrp:

click the 'key and wrench' option at the top

[19:56:18]

skd5aner:

jolaren: http://www.rosettastone.com/learn-spanish

[19:56:22]

wagnerrp:

mythweb is the third option on the left

[19:56:29]

wagnerrp:

mysession is the first tab

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wagnerrp:

the last dropdown is language

[19:57:18]

miner49er:

well, that's what I got working over ssh whilst at work today – the driver. That's why I rebooted (not that I actually needed to)

[19:57:22]

wReck:

dios mio! estoy hablando espanol!

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justinh:

nope

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wagnerrp:

did the backend fail? or was it the frontend?

[19:58:37]

miner49er:

when I start with /etc/init.t/mythbackend start

[19:58:46]

miner49er:

it doesn't actually start – I will check the logs

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wagnerrp:

ok, so its the whole thing

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wagnerrp:

youve been recording for the past week on the wrong schema

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wagnerrp:

im surprised it didnt break sooner

[19:59:22]

wagnerrp:

what version of mythtv were you running? 0.21 or 0.22?

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iamlindoro:

His DB backup is from today

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miner49er:

cry

[19:59:37]

noaXess:

is there a way to create a complete mythtv database?

[19:59:37]

iamlindoro:

So I suspect the problem is deeper (and that there is still a newer version on the network)

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miner49er:

I know, and the one earlier is from 2008 :-(

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sphery:

miner49er: mythconverg-1214–20100408194813.sql.gz is a backup of the a 0.21-fixes MythTV database created at 8:19am on Apr 8, 2010.

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miner49er:

that's just when I was in the garage, and I started it

[20:00:28]

miner49er:

the backend that is

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sphery:

sounds like something did the upgrade today

[20:01:01]

sphery:

and you have a valid 0.21-fixes database from today

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miner49er:

But nohting could've done it today

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sphery:

which means you can just restore it and be back on the old, legacy, 0.21-fixes version you were on

[20:01:36]

sphery:

miner49er: except whatever caused it to start saying that your db schema changed

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sphery:

i.e. it /was/ done today

[20:01:43]

iamlindoro:

But something *did* do it today, and ergo, could have ;)

[20:01:53]

sphery:

miner49er: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore follow the full-restore instructions

[20:01:55]

miner49er:

heh? This makes no sense at all – it's blowing my goddamn mind!!!

[20:01:59]

sphery:

miner49er: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . base_Restore

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iamlindoro:

language, again

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iamlindoro:

this time with a "or else"

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miner49er:

really? No swearing of any kind?

[20:02:37]

miner49er:

Sorry, I didn't realise

[20:02:38]

iamlindoro:

Channel rules are in the topic, and correct

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miner49er:

So, you are saying that something DEFINALTY updated my schema today due to the fact that the backup was done today?

[20:03:43]

iamlindoro:

yes.

[20:03:47]

miner49er:

100%

[20:03:52]

iamlindoro:

Yes.

[20:03:53]

miner49er:

definatly?

[20:03:56]

iamlindoro:

YES

[20:03:59]

miner49er:

okay

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** iamlindoro glares **

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miner49er:

So, a frontend on my network is running a new version of the frontend and it was run today and that caused the chema update?

[20:04:42]

miner49er:

schema I mean

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iamlindoro:

It happened at 7:48:13 PM

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iamlindoro:

See? Filename smart.

[20:05:22]

iamlindoro:

You ran a newer backend

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iamlindoro:

or possibly in .22-fixes, a newer mythtv-setup

[20:05:46]

iamlindoro:

Regardless, whatever you were doing at 19:48:13 is what did it

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miner49er:

No way then – as I'm the only person in the house (apart from my kids, who are bed) and the only machine that is on is this one here (not running Mythfrontend) and the one in the garage that is only a backend

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wagnerrp:

is that local time or UTC?

[20:05:59]

iamlindoro:

Way

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miner49er:

lol

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noaXess:

i think if i delete a show from recordings, the local file want be deleted... any idea?

[20:06:19]

iamlindoro:

There's no point in arguing. It happened, it's true, no exceptions

[20:06:24]

iamlindoro:

local time

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wagnerrp:

noaXess: you have the option set to expire recordings to the Deleted group, rather than outright delete them

[20:06:56]

wagnerrp:

mythbackend will delete them completely when youre running low on hard drive space

[20:07:02]

miner49er:

I just like to understand why things happen – not always possible but I like to try

[20:07:14]

noaXess:

wagnerrp: where do i see this option? mythtv-setup?

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skd5aner:

miner49er: what distro are you running?

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wagnerrp:

dont know off hand

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iamlindoro:

You ran a newer version of mythbackend or mythtv-setup or the preview generator (which is mythbackend) at 19:48:13

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iamlindoro:

That's how it happened

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sphery:

miner49er: couldn't have been a frontend that upgraded the DB--unless you explicitly ran it with --upgrade-schema

[20:07:47]

iamlindoro:

whether it was run manually, my an init script, or without your knowledge is immaterial.

[20:07:49]

iamlindoro:

It happened

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iamlindoro:

s/my an/by an/

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wagnerrp:

a frontend wouldnt do it, because the frontend is not allowed to update the primary schema

[20:08:52]

miner49er:

right, that's good then (that a frontend wouldn't do it willy-nilly)

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noaXess:

wagnerrp: so as you explain, if i delete a recording int mythtvfrontend, then the file itself won't be deleted.. mythtvbackend delete it later..

[20:09:17]

skd5aner:

miner49er: what distro are you running?

[20:09:21]

miner49er:

But surely then If it's the backend that did it then the backend would HAVE to be the right version in order to have updated the schema?

[20:09:23]

sphery:

noaXess: mythfrontend settings "Auto Expire Instead of Delete Recording" under TV Settings|General

[20:09:27]

wagnerrp:

noaXess: if you have that option enabled, yes

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sphery:

noaXess: what exactly are you trying to do, though?

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miner49er:

I'm running Debian Etch for the backend

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noaXess:

sphery: the hd in mythtvbackend where all recordings are saved is nearly full 1tb..

[20:10:23]

sphery:

ask how to do what you want and someone can likely tell the best approach

[20:10:29]

skd5aner:

did you do any kind of apt-get upgrade either manually or automatically?

[20:10:39]

sphery:

noaXess: so you're saying you want to clear out the deleted recordings?

[20:11:26]

sphery:

rather than just stating some fact and trying to interpret the responses to figure out what you want to know, letting us know what you want to know makes things much easier :)

[20:11:28]

wagnerrp:

i guess i should update my backends and restart (for the hdhr 'fix')

[20:11:31]

miner49er:

I didn't do an apt-get upgrade today or for a while. However, my backend has been on non-stop for about 3 months, prior to this weekend when we hd the fusebox replaced

[20:11:37]

noaXess:

sphery: yes.. and so i need to find the above optione in mythtvfrontend settings.. have german :)

[20:11:46]

miner49er:

so I had to power everything down

[20:12:12]

miner49er:

I did notice that after this happened, my netbook frontend wouldn't connect.

[20:12:30]

sphery:

noaXess: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/411115#411115

[20:12:39]

miner49er:

I had done updates/upgrades whilst the machine was switched on for those 3 months

[20:12:47]

sphery:

noaXess: better approach is what's in the linked post

[20:13:02]

sphery:

but you can change the setting if you don't want the Deleted recgroup

[20:13:05]

miner49er:

a couple of day later, my netbook would connect again

[20:13:34]

miner49er:

Now, after today (of remotely rebooting the machine) I'm getting these schema erros

[20:14:00]

skd5aner:

miner49er: I don't have a clue, and probably doesn't matter at this point, but it could be possible that if your backend was running that whole time, that you received an update over the 3 months that didn't trigger until your box (and myth) restarted

[20:14:17]

sphery:

miner49er: just restore the backup, downgrade MythTV to 0.21-fixes, and move on! :)

[20:14:25]

iamlindoro:

miner49er: We can appreciate wanting to know why things happened, but the truth is you had an upgrade running for a bit, and toggled this and that, and upgraded this, and downgraded that, and now you want to know why it happened-- the only things we can tell you conclusively are the things we already have

[20:14:35]

miner49er:

That sounds like the best explanation – I'm happy with that thanks :-)

[20:14:58]

skd5aner:

yup – you're lucky you got the backup, do what sphery and iamlindoro said and just go back to where you were

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sphery:

or get rid of that XBox and replace it with a real frontend so the significant other can /truly/ appreciate the wonder that is MythTV (instead of the wannabe that is MC)

[20:15:54]

sphery:

;)

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miner49er:

I like the sound of sphery – I need something that can be left switched on all the time as that's simpler for a mere woman to understand!

[20:17:12]

miner49er:

And I have a feeling that xbox will get hot not to mention noisy!

[20:17:19]

** kormoc thinks miner49er sleeps on the sofa a lot **

[20:17:25]

iamlindoro:

oof, "mere woman"

[20:17:29]

miner49er:

how did you guess!

[20:17:53]

miner49er:

well, it's taken the analogue switch-off to actually get her to use it!!

[20:17:59]

noaXess:

sphery: thanks..some are deleted.. and seom errors like this: 2010-04–08 22:17:33.565 ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '21175_20091216073000.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.

[20:18:12]

noaXess:

and in deleted they're still there..

[20:18:14]

miner49er:

combined with my meanness of not buying a digibox

[20:18:29]

miner49er:

There's no need to get a digibox I tell her!

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sphery:

noaXess: you get that error if a) the file doesn't exist (so is not taking up space on the HDD) or b) the file can't be found on the host where it's supposed to be found (due to broken Storage Groups or changing hostnames improperly or ...)

[20:19:36]

j-rod:

wewt. it appears I've successfully implemented imon 0xffdc device auto-configure

[20:19:48]

j-rod:

also, dear soundgraph: I hate you.

[20:20:35]

skd5aner:

j-rod: congrats

[20:20:41]

noaXess:

sphery: mythtvbackend is deleting files.. in the background.. cool

[20:20:55]

sphery:

noaXess: nice...

[20:21:01]

j-rod:

its crusty, but at least it works

[20:21:04]

noaXess:

but for files that are not existing.... why can't it delete the record?

[20:21:11]

noaXess:

have not changed hostname..

[20:21:26]

sphery:

noaXess: for those that are missing, if you're sure the file is gone, you can force a delete by selecting just that recording and saying Delete, then saying, "Yes, delete anyway"

[20:21:44]

noaXess:

sphery: hm...

[20:21:53]

sphery:

noaXess: but if there's a chance they exist on the filesystem, you may want to find them and put them where they're supposed to be so you don't have multi-gigabyte orphaned files

[20:22:11]

sphery:

there's a script that's supposed to help with that, but use it at your own risk

[20:22:15]

sphery:

myth_find_orphans.pl

[20:23:16]

natanojl:

j-rod: your "new imon oxffdc device id theory" turned out to be working?

[20:23:33]

j-rod:

natanojl: so far, yeah

[20:23:57]

natanojl:

nice

[20:24:04]

jolaren:

Anyone know of plugins that allow like play channels?

[20:24:10]

j-rod:

natanojl: would actually be good to confirm w/your device too

[20:24:20]

kormoc:

play channels?

[20:24:50]

kormoc:

jolaren: interactive tv?

[20:25:39]

jolaren:

kormoc: I think thats what its called

[20:25:45]

jolaren:

like flashplayers online from the tv channels

[20:25:51]

jolaren:

they distribute some of their shows

[20:26:00]

j-rod:

natanojl: what kernel are you running there?

[20:26:08]

natanojl:

j-rod: I can probably try your patch during the weekend

[20:26:10]

noaXess:

sphery: they don't exist.. have searched for some of them.. so. need to delete them anyway

[20:26:22]

kormoc:

jolaren: you can try turning on itv support and see if that works, but I believe it only works for UK itv specifically

[20:26:31]

skd5aner:

jolaren: MythNetVision?

[20:26:34]

jolaren:

kormoc: oh I think your not understandin my drift

[20:26:36]

j-rod:

natanojl: depends highly on what kernel and imon driver you're running there...

[20:26:43]

jolaren:

skd5aner: will take a look on MythNetVision

[20:26:49]

skd5aner:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision

[20:27:12]

j-rod:

thus far, I've only patched the imon input layer driver, which currently relies on sparse-keymap in 2.6.33 (or a distro kernel that has backported sparse-keymap to something earlier)

[20:27:22]

noaXess:

sphery: hm.. can't delete a recording from recording, cause file don't exist..

[20:27:24]

sphery:

noaXess: then just delete them individually and it will prompt to make sure

[20:27:42]

noaXess:

sphery: no chance..

[20:27:45]

jolaren:

skd5aner: seems to be exactly what I'm lookin for, thanks mate

[20:27:46]

sphery:

Select the recording, then MENU|Delete then it prompts

[20:27:48]

skd5aner:

as long as the content is legit, and a script can be written that complies with the ToS, then MNV can play online video streams

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j-rod:

and of course, RSN, I'm going to switch from sparse-keymap to mauro's new ir-core infra...

[20:28:18]

j-rod:

and then I start porting lirc_mceusb to become a pure input layer driver

[20:28:29]

skd5aner:

np

[20:28:32]

j-rod:

step 3, profit, of course

[20:28:38]

sphery:

noaXess: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . t_on_disk.3F

[20:29:40]

natanojl:

j-rod: can't remember exactly, but I think it is 2.6.26

[20:29:45]

Jester05:

hey guys, I know this is probably a stupid quesiton but I haven't had multiple frontends long and I just tried to play music on a remote frontend .. do you have to have each frontend linked to the music location? .. I don't remember if the backend links to music or not ..

[20:30:02]

j-rod:

natanojl: hrm, yeah, you'd have problems running my patched build atm.

[20:30:06]

kormoc:

Jester05: yes, it's a FE plugin and each FE needs access to it

[20:30:07]

skd5aner:

Backend does not stream music (yet)

[20:30:15]

miner49er:

you need the music directories to exist on each of the frontends

[20:30:20]

j-rod:

natanojl: however, you could probably still provide me w/some key info

[20:30:35]

j-rod:

and/or I could get around to patching lirc_imon too

[20:30:37]

jolaren:

skd5aner: the MythNetVision is not in the rep?

[20:30:44]

j-rod:

but I want lirc_imon to die in a fire

[20:30:46]

Jester05:

thanks kormoc my frontend in my bedroom showed there being music on it but wouldn't play it and after rescanning it no longer showed up so I assumed it was something like that

[20:30:50]

skd5aner:

jolaren: it's in the upcoming .23

[20:30:58]

jolaren:

skd5aner: time to update then =)

[20:31:09]

noaXess:

sphery: i know the delete proces.. but.. the problem. if i do that.. i get no information "Recording file can not be found".. and if i really want delete.. it's still there..

[20:31:16]

jolaren:

it's quite stable rite? the 0.23 release

[20:31:18]

skd5aner:

.23rc2 has been released. I hear it's really stable

[20:31:47]

Jester05:

How would you ago about mounting that music location.. mount the "stored music" directly to /var/lib/mythtv/music ?

[20:31:59]

skd5aner:

actually – your best bet is to grab the current version of the .23-fixes branch in SVN, if you have an HDHR, because some code was checked in this afternoon to address an issue

[20:32:01]

noaXess:

sphery: if i want watch this recording.. it says in german: die datei zu dieser aufnahme ist leer.. meand.. that the file for this recording is empty

[20:32:05]

kormoc:

the same location as it is on other boxes

[20:32:05]

skd5aner:

it isn't in RC2

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Jester05:

and if so, do it via smb or sshfs?

[20:32:17]

skd5aner:

or NFS

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sphery:

noaXess: you can't watch it, you have to delete it from Watch Recordings screen

[20:32:34]

skd5aner:

just make sure the mount location is the same

[20:32:37]

noaXess:

sphery: it try.. really

[20:32:38]

sphery:

noaXess: what do you see when you follow the instructions in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . t_on_disk.3F /exactly/?

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Jester05:

kormoc, the other frontend is local to the MBE, ie.. the local machine for the music

[20:33:07]

noaXess:

sphery: wait..i will change language to english

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sphery:

noaXess: in other words, even if you know how to delete normal files, follow those instructions for deleting recordings that do not exist

[20:33:20]

sphery:

they should work

[20:33:25]

noaXess:

...

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jolaren:

will all my frontends automaticly update if i update teh backend?

[20:33:54]

sphery:

unless the patch that removed INFO broke it (again)

[20:34:18]

skd5aner:

Jester05: then use your favorite flavor of network sharing (NFS, CIFS, etc) and mount it to the same location on the remote frontend, then make sure the setting is correctly pointing to that directory on the fronten

[20:35:07]

natanojl:

j-rod: I can probably get 2.6.33 installed during the weekend, I'll let you know. Now it's time for me to get some sleep

[20:35:15]

skd5aner:

Jolaren: you'll need to update every machine with the same version – take care to remove the older version's libraries first

[20:35:49]

j-rod:

natanojl: that works for me :) I *think* you could just enable debug=1 for lirc_imon and get the data I need to be sure your dev is covered

[20:35:51]

skd5aner:

if you launch mythtv-setup or mythbackend, that'll update your schema – only need to do that once...

[20:36:02]

noaXess:

sphery: now i go to Media Library / Watch Recordings / select the recording i want to really delete / press i -> NO information that the file don't exist / select Delete / select yes delete it... and still there.. :(

[20:36:03]

j-rod:

but testing the auto-config stuff would be easier w/2.6.33

[20:36:05]

skd5aner:

then, make sure you're running the same version on your frontends, and it should work

[20:37:52]

noaXess:

sphery: still this error in mythtvbackend.log if i want watch/delete this recording: 2010-04–08 22:35:01.490 ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '21190_20100206223110.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.

[20:38:22]

sphery:

noaXess: 0.22-fixes?

[20:38:31]

Jester05:

skd5aner, out of curiosity what do you think is better: smb, nfs, or possibly sshfs (tho I don't have the key thing set up yet.. is there a way to just pass it the user password during mount?)

[20:38:33]

noaXess:

sphery: how can i see the rigt version?

[20:38:34]

sphery:

noaXess: mythbackend --version for version info

[20:39:08]

noaXess:

MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-22-fixes

[20:39:16]

sphery:

noaXess: and version?

[20:39:19]

noaXess:

autobuild enabled

[20:39:28]

noaXess:

Library API : 0.22.20091023–1

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sphery:

should be something like 22594

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miner49er:

Any ideas where I can get hold of mc.sql (running debian etch)

[20:39:39]

noaXess:

23893

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skd5aner:

Jester05: I used CIFS (aka SMB, but the current version), and NFS for different reasons – I don't have a preference per-say.

[20:39:56]

sphery:

don't know why it's not working, then

[20:40:08]

sphery:

something else is broken

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noaXess:

here is all :) sphery http://paste.ubuntu.com/411230/

[20:40:23]

skd5aner:

I have not played with sshfs yet

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sphery:

I don't think it's mythtv, but your configuration that's the problem

[20:40:44]

skd5aner:

but I would expect that would have more overhead and probably be overkill for sharing music

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sphery:

noaXess: likely the hostname on that recording is wrong because your backend changed hosts and you didn't tell Myth

[20:41:11]

Jester05:

alright thanks skd5aner I'll do a little research first .. you should def look into sshfs to .. so nice for advanced and long distance remote mounting

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noaXess:

sphery: i have also other problems that i can't record on multiplex channels.. i need to watch the show on this channel and then i can record..

[20:41:21]

Jester05:

yeah you're right there.. prob overkill ;)

[20:41:26]

noaXess:

sphery: how can i find out that?

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noaXess:

sphery: over mythweb or directly in the database?

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sphery:

noaXess: wanna pastebin the output of: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT title, basename, hostname FROM recorded;" 2>&1 | tee recordings.txt

[20:42:24]

noaXess:

ok

[20:43:43]

skd5aner:

Jester05: yea, sshfs definitely has some great use cases

[20:43:52]

noaXess:

sphery: http://paste.ubuntu.com/411231/

[20:44:47]

sphery:

grrr.... login required to download from ubuntu pastebin

[20:44:52]

noaXess:

sphery: this to entries:

[20:44:54]

noaXess:

Die Farbe deiner Socken – Ein Jahr mit Pipilotti Rist 21190_20100206223109.mpg tvback

[20:44:54]

noaXess:

Die Farbe deiner Socken – Ein Jahr mit Pipilotti Rist 21190_20100206223110.mpg tvback

[20:45:05]

noaXess:

wait..

[20:45:43]

noaXess:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/usDXCbjr

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sphery:

noaXess: yeah, it's not a hostname issue since they're all tvback

[20:45:58]

noaXess:

yes... as i said :)

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sphery:

ah, thanks... I just copy/pasted and got an ugly version

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noaXess:

sphery: can that be a bug?

[20:47:01]

sphery:

I still think there's a problem on your end because I tested this when I updated that faq entry

[20:47:07]

sphery:

and it was working fine with 0.22-fixes

[20:47:25]

sphery:

and you're not using 0.23-fixes, so it's not the MENU/INFO change

[20:47:55]

sphery:

I'll test it out later, but I'm in the middle of something else, now

[20:48:06]

noaXess:

sphery: if i look into the filesyste, i can't really find the file 21190_20100206223110.mpg

[20:48:17]

miner49er:

Well, I just restored – and the I still get the schema errors :-(

[20:48:29]

noaXess:

sphery: ok.. but thanks.. for other deleting tips... it's still deleting old recording :)

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sphery:

right, but if you said, "Yes, delete it," it doesn't matter that it doesn't exist

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noaXess:

sphery: have you any tip about recording on multiplex channels?

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sphery:

noaXess: I'm not sure what would cause that

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sphery:

likely a problem with your Input Connections configuration, but I don't know what specifically

[20:50:01]

noaXess:

sphery: i have talked about that earlier here.. weeks ago..

[20:50:32]

noaXess:

sphery: so i want create a complete fresh mythtv database.. without all recording.. no prob about that.... will first backup it..

[20:50:35]

noaXess:

so i can test..

[20:50:46]

noaXess:

is there a way to complete recreate a empty database

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sphery:

if you're doing it because there are lots of problems, that's an ok approach

[20:51:36]

sphery:

if you're only doing it to fix the multiplex recordings, I'd recommend http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 , which deletes all the Input Configurations stuff as if you had a blank DB

[20:51:49]

sphery:

do both the capture card and video sources portions

[20:52:05]

skd5aner:

sphery: is that like your #1 bookmark?

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noaXess:

sphery: ok.. so scan and recreate all channel

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sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, and possibly the channel's, too :)

[20:53:45]

sphery:

skd5aner: http://jmeyer.us/stats/ check out the #1 Most referenced URLs (and ignore the fact that it's trunc'ed)

[20:53:54]

noaXess:

sphery: so recording will not be touched..

[20:54:02]

sphery:

noaXess: right, won't affect recordings

[20:54:14]

sphery:

if you have "this channel" recording rules, they may be affected

[20:54:23]

sphery:

and you will need to re-create your channels (rescan, etc)

[20:54:33]

noaXess:

sphery: ok.. will do that another time.. no need some sleep :)..

[20:54:33]

sphery:

noaXess: definitely worth doing a backup first

[20:54:38]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

[20:54:41]

noaXess:

sphery: allways ;)..

[20:54:44]

noaXess:

i know.

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sphery:

good luck

[20:54:53]

noaXess:

good night first ;)

[20:54:58]

sphery:

and good night

[20:55:01]

noaXess:

weekend is coming.. so then is time to do that

[20:55:03]

noaXess:

bye

[20:55:08]

sphery:

bye

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skd5aner:

sphery: lol, didn't know that stat site existed, the "Big Numbers" section is making me laugh

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sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, it's pretty funny

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miner49er:

It doesn't work – I'm now doomed to lose all my data and a useful frontend...

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sphery:

what doesn't work?

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miner49er:

I can see why you have such a strict no swearing rule now...

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miner49er:

restoring the database

[21:01:01]

miner49er:

doesn't work (for me)

[21:01:02]

tzanger:

I dump my mysql database nightly

[21:01:03]

skd5aner:

how does it fail?

[21:01:34]

miner49er:

Oh no, sorry it does restore but frontends still complain about schema versions!

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miner49er:

So, the database must've been updated before today – so you're all wrong!

[21:02:07]

sphery:

miner49er: because you have to /also/ upgrade or downgrade any systems that are /not/ the same version of mythtv

[21:02:08]

skd5aner:

miner49er: uninistall myth, and make sure you reinstall the correct version

[21:02:12]

miner49er:

I knew, there was more to this than meets the eye

[21:02:15]

sphery:

miner49er: on each system: mythbackend --version

[21:02:28]

sphery:

miner49er: or just do skd5aner approach on all systems

[21:02:36]

miner49er:

I definatly have not downgraded my netbook

[21:02:48]

skd5aner:

oh no, I have an approach named after me?! ;)

[21:02:53]

skd5aner:

heh

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sphery:

if you skip any systems, verify version with mythbackend --version

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miner49er:

and the netbook reckon the version on my server is newer than it's frontend

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sphery:

skd5aner: hehe

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skd5aner:

miner49er: well, we know you have mismatched versions for some reason... so, it really doesn't matter "why"...

[21:03:34]

skd5aner:

miner49er: you have a "good" database, but bad installs

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sphery:

miner49er: the --version output has to be identical on all systems when you're done

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miner49er:

Well, it;s never mattered before

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skd5aner:

miner49er: this isn't "before" – this is "now" :)

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sphery:

miner49er: and--depending on what program you ran on what system--you might need to restore the 1214 backup, again (i.e. it may have been upgraded by the backend on that system which /is/ the wrong version :)

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skd5aner:

sphery: great point

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hansaplast:

Hi there...

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hansaplast:

Need some help with Teletext. It is positioned off screen.

[21:04:55]

skd5aner:

miner49er: you said you were running debian... so did you install myth by doing an apt-get install mythtv?

[21:05:16]

miner49er:

yep, I used the regular apt-get method of installation

[21:05:18]

sphery:

my recommendation is to first fix the master backend (and install mythtv 0.21-fixes on it), then restore the 1214 database, then go around and install 0.21-fixes on all other systems

[21:05:19]

Jester05:

anyone want to give me an example of an fstab declaration line for NFS /

[21:05:46]

skd5aner:

miner49er: apt-get remove mythtv on all your systems... make sure to keep a backup of your last DB backup somewhere

[21:05:49]

sphery:

which nfs? nfs4 is vurrry dif'rent

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miner49er:

Same on all frontends (1 debain lenny, 1 ubuntu 9.04, 2 eeebuntu)

[21:06:03]

skd5aner:

AHHHHHHH

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Jester05:

whatever mythbuntu 9.10 uses lol

[21:06:11]

skd5aner:

miner49er: that's your problem!!!

[21:06:23]

miner49er:

Right, okay.

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hansaplast:

@jester05 "gonzo.logic-q.loc:/home/magftp /mnt/gonzo/ftp nfs defaults 0 0"

[21:06:43]

hansaplast:

without the quotes

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skd5aner:

miner49er: if you're using different distros between yoru backends and frontends, there's no guarentee that the packages are going to be running the same versions

[21:06:50]

miner49er:

But, you said that I would have to explicitly tell a frontend to force an upgrade of the backend server?

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skd5aner:

-22-fixes on debian is not necessarily the same as -22-fixes on ubuntu

[21:07:27]

skd5aner:

etc and so on

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Jester05:

hansaplast, whats with the .logic-q.loc?

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miner49er:

aah, okay – so basically, if I want to run different distros and use package management I have to run the same version of the same distro on each machine?

[21:07:49]

skd5aner:

do what sphery said, on each machine running mythbackend --version and let us know what it says

[21:07:51]

miner49er:

Or compile from source?

[21:07:56]

Jester05:

hansaplast, I could just put in the IP of the machine correct?

[21:08:02]

hansaplast:

its the host.domain.name

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miner49er:

okay, I'll get all the versions

[21:08:20]

hansaplast:

You can use IP address too

[21:08:22]

skd5aner:

miner49er: that's the only "safe" way to do it, unless you compile yourself

[21:08:54]

miner49er:

this ubuntu 9.10 is: 0.22.20091023–1

[21:08:58]

Jester05:

hansaplast, ohh.. I don't believe ubuntu is allowing me to go by pc names anyway.. for whatever reason its been having trouble with that for a couple generations now

[21:09:23]

miner49er:

eeebuntu netbook: 0.21.20080304

[21:09:42]

hansaplast:

@jester05: Just setup your NFS and DHCP server correctly

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iamlindoro:

Wow, weird, you have .22 installed on a system, who would have known such a thing?

[21:09:53]

iamlindoro:

Oh wait, all of us, hours ago

[21:09:54]

skd5aner:

there's your problem right there :)

[21:10:10]

iamlindoro:

That thing that we said again and again and you said was impossible? Yeah, that thing happened

[21:10:17]

miner49er:

Okay, well perhaps ubuntu forces an upgrade of the backend and doesn't tell me yeah?

[21:10:44]

skd5aner:

miner49er: like you said, you know that you hadn't stopped your backend in 3 months, but updates did take place – then it reboots, and now you're upgraded

[21:10:51]

hansaplast:

Need some help with Teletext. It is positioned off screen.

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skd5aner:

ubuntu 9.10 SHIPPED with .22-fixes

[21:11:06]

skd5aner:

well, pre-0.22-fixes that is

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iamlindoro:

well, it shipped with rc1

[21:11:23]

skd5aner:

yup

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miner49er:

Right, Ubuntu 9.10 is officially evil then – as it updates databases without asking the user

[21:11:31]

iamlindoro:

NOT UBUNTU'S FAULT

[21:11:34]

iamlindoro:

YOUR FAULT

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miner49er:

I shall stop using it and go back to debian

[21:11:42]

miner49er:

HOW IS IT MY FAULT?

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skd5aner:

well, debian basically is ubuntu

[21:11:48]

sphery:

you said to upgrade mythTV

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iamlindoro:

debian (and any other distro) will behave exactly the same when you run the backend on it

[21:11:52]

miner49er:

I know

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skd5aner:

other way around... but the packages are basically the same

[21:12:25]

miner49er:

NOT ON THE SERVER i DIDN'T

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iamlindoro:

Being ignorant to how it was going to work doesn't make it the distributions fault

[21:12:48]

miner49er:

Well, even if I did – both the binary and database should be compatable surely?

[21:13:04]

iamlindoro:

so you installed a "mythtV" metapackage and it installed and set up a backend for you-- as it should

[21:13:17]

iamlindoro:

and when that ran, in non-ionteractive mode, it (correctly) upgraded your database

[21:13:35]

iamlindoro:

it ran in non-inteactive mode because it was started from an init script-- as it should be

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miner49er:

Well, I expect to get a warning when a run a FRONTEND on a DIFFERENT machine to the BACKEND and it decides to UPDATE MY BACKEND

[21:13:46]

skd5aner:

miner49er: here's my suggestion...

[21:13:54]

iamlindoro:

So basically, the whole system behaved as expected, minus the thing holding down the chair

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miner49er:

go on

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skd5aner:

miner49er: apt-get remove mythtv from all 3 of your boxes

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miner49er:

kay

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iamlindoro:

The frontend *didn't* upgrade your backend

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miner49er:

good

[21:14:18]

iamlindoro:

The backend you unknowingly installed did

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miner49er:

but it decided to not update the binary along with databse?

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sphery:

noaXess: FWIW, the delete works fine with missing files. I would recommend trying again on 0.23-fixes. I don't think there's a bug there, but if there is, we need a /lot/ more than "can't delete recordings for files that don't exist"--i.e. you would need to figure out /why/ it won't delete in your case but it works elsewhere: what makes your configuration different (as I've fixed every conceivable problem with deleting ...

[21:15:00]

skd5aner:

miner49er: drop the current database... then, decide if you want to run .21-fixes, .22-fixes, or the current pre-release .23-fixes

[21:15:02]

sphery:

... recordings with missing files that I have been able to find and I can't find any more to fix)

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iamlindoro:

A remote backend can't force another backend to update its packages

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miner49er:

I'm listening

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iamlindoro:

that relies on educated users to be performing their upgrades properly

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skd5aner:

miner49er: then, restore your database backup you have... if you want to stay on .21-fixes, then just go grab that

[21:16:06]

skd5aner:

miner49er: if you want to upgrade (I would recommend it), then grab the same version and compile on all 3 of your machines

[21:16:43]

sphery:

miner49er: again, it's /impossible/ for a frontend to upgrade the database

[21:16:45]

skd5aner:

OR... run the same distro (and same version of that distro) on all your machines and use the distro's packages

[21:16:51]

sphery:

you have to force it to upgrade with --upgrade-db

[21:17:01]

** iamlindoro starts a line of motivational posters **

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miner49er:

Well, I definatly never did that

[21:17:05]

iamlindoro:

the first one will go like this:

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iamlindoro:

Personal Responsibility: Because sometimes, it's just your fault.

[21:17:34]

** iamlindoro reiterates-- he installed the mythtv metapackage, which set up a backend and its init script **

[21:17:47]

iamlindoro:

everything went exactly as expected

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skd5aner:

miner49er: also, I know you don't think you did anything wrong – it doesn't matter, it happened – and debating with these guys (who are the developers who write the app) is not really advised by me

[21:17:50]

miner49er:

lol – look I know, I'm not really blaming anybody but me – obviously I screwed up somewhere along the way – it's just annoying that it's only just come to light

[21:18:00]

sphery:

agreed, exactly as expected

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skd5aner:

miner49er: so, the good news is, that the builtin DB backup (that sphery wrote and put into .21) worked, and you won't lose basically any data

[21:18:46]

miner49er:

Okay, one final question then: How can I determine the version of schema I currently have (just out of interest)

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skd5aner:

well... the backup was named what?

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sphery:

miner49er: can just run a DB backup :)

[21:19:11]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore'

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sphery:

minus '

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** sphery needs a different keyboard **

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sphery:

mythconverg-1214–20080626150513.sql.gz would be a 1214 database

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miner49er:

backup is named mythconverg-1214–20100408194813.sql.gz

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sphery:

that too

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miner49er:

that only shows the date

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skd5aner:

1214

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sphery:

1214

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wagnerrp:

and the schema

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skd5aner:

right spehry?

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sphery:

not a date

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sphery:

right

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wagnerrp:

1214

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** wagnerrp joins in the fun **

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miner49er:

okay, right, gotcha

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skd5aner:

:)

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iamlindoro:

1214! Except that's the wrong answer

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kormoc:

1412!

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** sphery wonders if we can say "1214" 1214 times **

[21:20:15]

iamlindoro:

(since that was the schema as of the upgrade)

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miner49er:

sorry, stoopid me

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mihanson:

sphery: I'm looking to add some info to the mythtv status page and I'm told you may know something about a hook that can add data. Do you know where I can find that?

[21:20:44]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: that wasn't the pre-upgrade schema?

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sphery:

mihanson: yeah, the miscellaneous status script

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iamlindoro:

1214 was the pre-upgrade schema

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sphery:

mihanson: what specific info?

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iamlindoro:

which wasn't what he asked

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miner49er:

surely it's the schema version of the backup?

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skd5aner:

haha, true

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sphery:

miner49er: if you do a new DB backup it will tell you the version of the existing DB

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mihanson:

sphery: Looking to attempt to add in use recording info.

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sphery:

the pre-upgrade backup is the version before the upgrade

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skd5aner:

miner49er: so, 1214 is what you have backedup, but the upgrade has taken place (again) – so in MySQL you probably have something newer

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miner49er:

and what table is that in?

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skd5aner:

but, I wouldn't worry about the newer version – I would drop whatever you have now, and just use your 1214 backup

[21:21:59]

sphery:

mihanson: for personal use or for inclusion upstream?

[21:22:16]

miner49er:

Right, okay – I'm biting the bullet and grabbing the source

[21:22:23]

skd5aner:

miner49er: wait a sec

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sphery:

mihanson: for upstream, I'm somewhat leary at this point only because our inuseprograms usage is a bit, er, not well finished

[21:22:37]

wagnerrp:

well this is an interesting problem

[21:22:41]

mihanson:

sphery: originally intended for personally use, but if I can figure out how to get it done, I'd be happy to submit it.

[21:22:57]

sphery:

if for personal use, the misc status script would be perfect

[21:23:00]

iamlindoro:

FWIW, 1226 was the answer

[21:23:07]

wagnerrp:

apparently i built a new kernel, and installed the modules

[21:23:09]

sphery:

could use a python-bindings script to get the info, then just output it

[21:23:14]

wagnerrp:

but didnt install the kernel

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miner49er:

skd5aner: why wait a sec?

[21:23:28]

skd5aner:

miner49er: one more time, my suggestion is... drop current db, apt-get remove mythtv, download either .22-fixes, or .23-fixes, compile, restore 1214 backup, then run mythtv-setup or mythbackend and that'll upgrade your database (again)

[21:23:37]

wagnerrp:

my boot partition is ext2, which is loaded as a module

[21:23:37]

skd5aner:

miner49er: just wanted to run through it one more time

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sphery:

iamlindoro: pretty sure 1234 is the 0.22-fixes version

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sphery:

and 1254 is 0.23-fixes

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wagnerrp:

but i cant load the driver, since its for the wrong kernel build

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sphery:

we're keeping up the "ends-in-4" pattern

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mihanson:

sphery: thanks for that.

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wagnerrp:

so i cant mount my boot partiton to update the kernel'

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skd5aner:

miner49er: got it?

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miner49er:

skd5aner: right, copied and pasted your instructions and will do right now!

[21:24:29]

wagnerrp:

i thought 0.22 was 1244

[21:24:35]

sphery:

mihanson: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . _info/README

[21:24:41]

miner49er:

(I didn't really need to copy and paste them – I was being silly)

[21:24:42]

sphery:

welll, nvm

[21:25:00]

iamlindoro:

1244 looks right

[21:25:08]

iamlindoro:

(stupid new DB init code in the dbcheck)

[21:25:10]

skd5aner:

miner49er: np, I know it's frustrating – but at least this is the least invasive way to make sure you're up-to-date on all 3 of your distros, without losing data

[21:25:20]

sphery:

1244 sounds more right

[21:25:28]

wagnerrp:

1226 was something to do with the UTF migration

[21:25:36]

sphery:

something big from 0.21-fixes to 0.22-fixes, then only 10 for 0.23-fixes

[21:25:39]

wagnerrp:

i remember failing to update past that due to one of the cast tables

[21:25:40]

iamlindoro:

It's the InitializeDB version

[21:25:45]

skd5aner:

skd5aner: disclaimer – I'm just a user, I'm not responsible if anything goes kablooey...

[21:25:46]

miner49er:

no, it'll be cool – I'll be back in MythTV nirvana before I know it...

[21:25:49]

iamlindoro:

but yeah, it's also where the UTF-8 changes happened

[21:25:58]

sphery:

All I know is that release versions end in 4 :)

[21:26:08]

skd5aner:

miner49er: I would actually recommend you grab .23-fixes instead of .22

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sphery:

and it's my goal in life to keep up that pattern

[21:26:24]

skd5aner:

miner49er: it's pre-release, but it's RC2+

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sphery:

as in "This DB Schema is 4 release!"

[21:26:42]

miner49er:

Thing is, there is No Way, I will get that working in XBMC is there?

[21:26:52]

iamlindoro:

sphery: "What do I need a frontend 4? That's what the mysql client is 4!" ;)

[21:26:55]

JohnnyJboss:

sphery: I've got a compile error...

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skd5aner:

someone else a few months ago caught that the DB schema ended in the same number ever release, don't remember who it was

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miner49er:

I do want to though – It does look sweet

[21:27:08]

sphery:

iamlindoro: thought that's what bash was for?

[21:27:14]

iamlindoro:

"4"

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sphery:

JohnnyJboss: patch + compile logs?

[21:27:26]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Bash is for freeing you from the tyranny of mythvideo

[21:27:28]

JohnnyJboss:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/RgMaR0Yz – patch

[21:27:28]

sphery:

(at least the compile error)

[21:27:32]

skd5aner:

miner49er: I know nothing about XBMC, but I would guess "probably not"?

[21:27:44]

jarle:

There is currently no way to display the video-resolution of the playing recording from within the frontend? (besides looking at stdout?)

[21:27:44]

JohnnyJboss:

sphery – http://pastebin.com/pD5B3qt9 – error

[21:27:58]

skd5aner:

miner49er: if that is a concern, then you should probably just download .21-fixes and deploy that everywhere

[21:28:14]

sphery:

JohnnyJboss: have you actually written ScreenSaverXDG class and ScreenSaverXDG::isXDGInstalled() function?

[21:28:21]

miner49er:

What do I get fro the 0.23 branch?

[21:28:21]

wagnerrp:

technically, shouldnt you be using like 0.18?

[21:28:21]

skd5aner:

You'll be about 2 years behind the times, but... your call

[21:28:31]

wagnerrp:

what was proto version 8?

[21:28:41]

JohnnyJboss:

sphery: yep – lemmy create that pastebin

[21:29:02]

skd5aner:

a pretty stable release (so I'm told), mythnetvision, mythui improvements, a boatload of other things since .21

[21:29:13]

wagnerrp:

s/.21/.22

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yea, but he was running .21

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: so he'd be skipping .22

[21:30:14]

wagnerrp:

if youre coming from 0.21, it would be 'mythui rewrite', rather than 'improvements'

[21:30:27]

skd5aner:

miner49er: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.22 http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.23

[21:30:28]

JohnnyJboss:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/RZ73WwUs – screensaver-xdg.cpp

[21:30:33]

sphery:

wagnerrp: 0.16 was proto version 13

[21:30:45]

skd5aner:

booooo

[21:30:49]

wagnerrp:

so MythBox is absolutely ancient

[21:30:52]

skd5aner:

someone dropped the ball there

[21:30:55]

sphery:

0.14 was proto version 1

[21:31:07]

sphery:

0.15 was proto version 8

[21:31:19]

sphery:

only 6 yrs old

[21:31:21]

JohnnyJboss:

sphery: i notice there's no moc_screensaver.cpp|o files

[21:31:35]

JohnnyJboss:

do i need to qmake or something?

[21:31:51]

skd5aner:

My MythBox has been up since July 2004 :D

[21:32:03]

wagnerrp:

no, 'MythBox', the XBMC plugin

[21:32:10]

wagnerrp:

it identifies itself as proto version 8

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skd5aner:

ah, my bad :)

[21:32:17]

wagnerrp:

gets the error code from the backend

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wagnerrp:

and responds with the proper version

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sphery:

JohnnyJboss: JohnnyJboss and the screensaver-xdg.h?

[21:32:47]

iamlindoro:

Well, forthcoming DB changes out to foul up the cheaters nicely

[21:33:22]

miner49er:

cheaters?

[21:33:24]

JohnnyJboss:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/zhv1PwkB – screensaver-xdg.h

[21:33:25]

sphery:

JohnnyJboss: could be that you just need to add screensaver-xdg.h/cpp to the .pro file

[21:33:27]

wagnerrp:

yeah... not going to get past the recorded rework

[21:33:37]

JohnnyJboss:

sphery: that sounds accurate

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wagnerrp:

miner49er: programs that ignore the protocol and schema checks

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miner49er:

ah right

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stuartm:

miner49er: pretending to support a version of the protocol that they don't, and lumbering the mythtv devs with invalid bug reports from users who don't know any better

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sphery:

JohnnyJboss: yeah, the structure looks pretty much right (though ready for simplification once you get it working :), so I think you just need to add it to the .pro file

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miner49er:

that's how the xbox script works at all...****, the xbox really is due for retirement – JUST AS MY MISSIS HAS STARTED USING IT!

[21:34:40]

skd5aner:

miner49er: I know there's been basically 0 support from the myth community itself on XBMC intergration/plugins – so there's really not much you can expect folks here to really help you out with if you continue on that path

[21:34:51]

sphery:

JohnnyJboss: HEADERS += screensaver-xdg.h and SOURCES += screensaver-xdg.cpp

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sphery:

it should re-run qmake for you

[21:35:16]

skd5aner:

miner49er: I actually ran mythfrontend ON my xbox, but it was basically unfeasible as a frontend after about 06–07

[21:35:27]

skd5aner:

HD killed that

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stuartm:

0.24 will be the version that they will be forced to sort out their act, client throttling, no more protocol version numbers in error responses etc

[21:35:48]

skd5aner:

k – gotta step away, brb

[21:36:24]

** sphery wonders if his (3rd) XBox 360 will still be running when it's as old and outdated as an XBox classic is today\ **

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stuartm:

skd5aner: HD and the relentless march of technology, the XBox even when it was launched used a processor etc that was old

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sphery:

the 3rd XBox 360 because #1 and #2 both died of RRoD

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miner49er:

yeah, I installed xebian on my xbox but it was a tad too slow really

[21:37:15]

miner49er:

so went back to xbmc

[21:38:00]

miner49er:

I'm going to compile/install 0.21 fixes for now – then look at upgrading the xbox with something...

[21:38:43]

miner49er:

Might buy one of those fancy revos

[21:39:23]

sphery:

yeah, wouldn't want to get a computer with a real processor :)

[21:39:42]

miner49er:

I'm only going to be watching TV on it!

[21:39:46]

** sphery admits to a bias against the Atom **

[21:40:05]

miner49er:

What's the problem with it?

[21:40:09]

miner49er:

I like my netbook

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JohnnyJboss:

sphery: that indeed fixes it – thanks

[21:40:47]

sphery:

Atom is marketing for poewr saving architecture, in which you pay more and get less than just designing a good low-power-usage, high-performance system with a real processor

[21:41:04]

skd5aner:

stuartm: yea, I was always surprised the myth even worked on the xbox, and was only sad to see that experiement die just from the "coolness" factor – but it was definitely inevitable

[21:41:46]

sphery:

and the difference in power usage is small--especially since the Atom only really has lower power usage under load, and a well-chosen Core 2 or Athlon X2 would have similar system-level power usage at idle

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tzanger:

sphery: you can't put an atom to sleep?

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sphery:

tzanger: you can put both an atom and a Core 2 to sleep, TTBOMK

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sphery:

that being my point

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tzanger:

TTBOMK?

[21:43:30]

sphery:

idle/sleep/off, they're pretty much the same :)

[21:43:37]

sphery:

to the best of my knowledge

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skd5aner:

time to throw in the towel and a new 2TB drive

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skd5aner:

s/and a/and get a/

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sphery:

and the difference between a 25W revo system and a 45W Core 2 for 2hrs/day while you watch your HDTV is nothing

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tzanger:

so a powered down (not off, but sleeping) atom system consumes more power than a similarly powered down core2/athlon system?

[21:44:49]

sphery:

i.e. 20W * 2 hrs = 40Whr, so 14.6kWh in a year, and at $0.12/kWh, that's $1.75

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miner49er:

interesting

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miner49er:

what's cheaper initial cost though – a revo from amazon right now is Â£85

[21:45:36]

sphery:

but because you have a processor that can actually do computing, you can actually handle cases where the proprietary drivers from nvidia can't play the high-definition content you're trying to play

[21:45:41]

miner49er:

#oops, Â£185

[21:46:12]

sphery:

you should be right in the same range

[21:47:38]

sphery:

tzanger / miner49er : http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/25w-performance-pc,2551.html , though you can do fine with http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-e7200-g31,2039.html and may want to read http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-ato . . . cy,2069.html

[21:47:39]

skd5aner:

what are the thoughts on the "Green Drives" – basically they just spin at 5400 right? any performance issues with simulatenous reads/writes of large streams at the lower RPMs?

[21:47:47]

sphery:

but, again, I'm /heavily/ biased against ATom

[21:47:49]

miner49er:

for a full machine? It's been so long since I bought an new machine or componants – everything I have is people old stuff or ebay cheapness!

[21:48:02]

sphery:

and, yeah, that 25W system was the full machine

[21:48:10]

sphery:

oh, price--yeah, full machine should be about the same

[21:48:14]

sphery:

if you choose wisely

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miner49er:

wow, I did not know that – the last full machine I bought was a Â£600 P1 133..back in 96 or something though!

[21:48:57]

sphery:

you'll almost definitely have to buy components and stick them together, though--since you're shopping for power-performance with an eye toward overall price

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skd5aner:

Seems $150 is the entry price for OEM 2TB HDs

[21:51:03]

jheizer:

Have a question on a just updated to .23 from mythbuntu packages and using arclight

[21:51:31]

jheizer:

Sure I am missing a setting or something, but I get a zoomed in background Screenshot: http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/9396/screenshot2k.png

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sphery:

JohnnyJboss: that's correct

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Captain_Murdoch:

that the pr0n filter

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sphery:

er, jheizer

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sphery:

jheizer: that's correct for the background

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Captain_Murdoch:

need to put a <textarea> above that like the outer limits "do not adjust your set, we control the horizontal, we control the vertical"

[21:52:52]

iamlindoro:

AAAAAAAAAAH

[21:52:55]

iamlindoro:

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[21:52:59]

iamlindoro:

*gasp*

[21:53:05]

iamlindoro:

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[21:53:05]

miner49er:

are you okay?

[21:53:09]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, at least he didn't file a bug report, he asked first.

[21:53:19]

** iamlindoro hyperventilates **

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miner49er:

lol

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jheizer:

sphery: haha ok, just assumed it was scaling wrong or something and couldn't find anything searching anywhere

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miner49er:

I take it, you mythtv devers get a bit frustrated yourselves at time?

[21:53:45]

jheizer:

me fail

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, you're a modern era picasso

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sphery:

jheizer: you can get the full-resolution version with the following command. Just copy the resulting background.png into the Arclight backgrounds directory: dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1M | perl -e '$width=1920; $height=1080; print "P6\n$width $height\n255\n"; read(STDIN, $pixels, $width * $height * 3); print $pixels;' | convert ppm:- background.png

[21:53:56]

Captain_Murdoch:

some people will never understand

[21:54:12]

iamlindoro:

What is so hard to understand? If you buy the paid version, you get the fancy backgrounds

[21:54:12]

miner49er:

Well, I'd say that's kharma!

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iamlindoro:

sheesh

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** sphery just hacked it to get the full background... Backgrounds just want to be free. **

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skd5aner:

Could you imagine if there were bug trackers for artists?!

[21:55:51]

iamlindoro:

Not my fault some people are too cheap for ArclightPro

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sphery:

I ran an enhance on the Arclight background image and was able to see the suspect with a gun in his hand in the reflection of a window on a skyscraper 300m away.

[21:55:55]

skd5aner:

"Ear attached to Chin" – "You said this is supposed to be a picture of a woman, but I only see blobs, and maybe an ear attached to something that resembles a chin – please fix!"

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: haha

[21:56:36]

iamlindoro:

[dali-users] Error: Clock is not heat-resistant

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sphery:

lol

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skd5aner:

lol

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iamlindoro:

Milestone: Tomorrow

[21:57:28]

iamlindoro:

Severity: Exteremely high

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skd5aner:

Closed – Duplicate

[21:57:45]

iamlindoro:

"This is killing my WAF"

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sphery:

jheizer / miner49er : BTW, I am /not/ recommending any of the hardware in those articles. I'm just trying to show that low-power doesn't have to mean under-powered

[21:58:05]

bjd:

wives? what are these?

[21:58:17]

** sphery almost forgot his disclaimers **

[21:58:41]

sphery:

oops, that disclamimer was for tzanger

[21:59:12]

sphery:

I need to step away.... Too many conversations. All these nicks look alike to me.

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skd5aner:

so – any 2TB stick out for consideration, or any to obviously steer clear from?

[21:59:23]

skd5aner:

HDs that is

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iamlindoro:

I am quite fond of my WD Greens

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sphery:

My Seagate 750GB's are still running great. Except after the bad-sector reallocation, I'm down to about 320MB.

[22:00:47]

sphery:

(joke)

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I was asking about those a few mins ago... any issues running at 5400? I assume not given the density?

[22:01:09]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Their speed is variable

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sphery:

myth doesn't need much performance from HDD

[22:01:15]

iamlindoro:

5400 is the floor, not the ceiling

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skd5aner:

ahh, ok

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JohnnyJboss:

ok – time to run home

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iamlindoro:

and yeah, not much performance needed

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sphery:

especially if you have # HDD >= # capture card

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skd5aner:

sphery: I don't :)

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iamlindoro:

and generally speaking, even without ;)

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sphery:

so you just need to buy 5 WD Green 2TB HDD's

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sphery:

yeah, even without it's not an issue

[22:02:31]

sphery:

more than anything the extra filesystems help with fragmentation

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miner49er:

does this error make sense to you guys: class BufferedSocketDeviceâ€™ has no member named â€˜SocketDeviceâ€™

[22:02:39]

skd5aner:

sphery: so, right now, not including virtual capture I have 8 tuners

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skd5aner:

3 HDs

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sphery:

miner49er: you have mythtv system libs from an old version of MythTV installed and are trying to compile a newer version of MythTV

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miner49er:

okay, thought I just apt-get removed them but I will double check

[22:03:47]

sphery:

actually with 3HDD's, you're probably OK--unless you frequently have >>3 concurrent recordings occurring

[22:03:58]

skd5aner:

I've personally never had anything that appeared to be an HD bottleneck in myth, just don't want to get there anyway

[22:04:12]

sphery:

miner49er: check both: ls -l /usr/{,local/}include/mythtv

[22:04:19]

skd5aner:

Well, I frequently in primetime have between 1–4 recordings, and 1 playback – usually all HD streams

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miner49er:

still had mythtv-common installed

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sphery:

miner49er: and if you have includes, you'll also want to get rid of the libs: ls -l /usr/{,local/}lib/mythtv

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skd5aner:

so, lets say that a single HD got loaded up, 2–3 recordings, and 1 playback (3 writes, 1 read) – still within limits?

[22:05:06]

sphery:

that's even better--that means the package manager can clean it up

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miner49er:

will try that

[22:05:22]

skd5aner:

miner49er: yea, you might have to do some manual cleanup as sphery said

[22:05:31]

sphery:

try the package first, though

[22:05:42]

skd5aner:

yup

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skd5aner:

well, regardless... I'm replacing a 750GB drive I have now with a 2TB, so it really can't be worse

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miner49er:

removed all myth packages, still get error – will now manuallydo stuff I guess

[22:07:41]

tzanger:

sphery: That was a VERY informative article on the atom vs core 2

[22:07:45]

tzanger:

sphery: thank you for the link

[22:07:55]

tzanger:

I've completely changed my mind about atom now

[22:08:07]

tzanger:

core2 has much better mips/w

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sphery:

tzanger: heh, thanks for listening to my propaganda

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sphery:

Join the Revolution!

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sphery:

Funny thing is that even though I offered Core 2 as the alternative, my whole standpoint is exactly the same as AMD's: There's absolutely no market requirement for an Atom-like processor.

[22:09:54]

bjd:

* sphery is know known as che

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tzanger:

my soft spot is still for ARM though :-)

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sphery:

which is exactly why AMD doesn't have a "competitor" for Atom

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sphery:

I love ARM /and/ PowerPC

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sphery:

but they have their places

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tzanger:

I want to dick around with a nice ARM frontend

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tzanger:

99% of my content is MPEG2

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sphery:

yeah, mine is all MPEG-2

[22:11:18]

tzanger:

and if I could find h264/MPEG4 type codecs I'd be pretty much set

[22:11:26]

sphery:

but I like powerful frontends, so I'm sticking with Athlon/Core

[22:11:52]

sphery:

(not that PowerPC couldn't be powerful--just that it's not really a good choice for MythTV frontend right now)

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miner49er:

I want to get a myth frontend running on the OpenPandora when it arrives...

[22:14:32]

Jester05:

does NFS support NTFS format?

[22:15:43]

Jester05:

I'm trying to mount -f nfs "ip":"location to be mounted" "mount location" and I'm getting an error saying: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on ..

[22:16:01]

Jester05:

bad superblock on the server:location

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sphery:

OpenPandora? Is that the FOSS version of James Cameron's "perfect world"?

[22:16:29]

sphery:

or maybe it's FOSS tree-based computing?

[22:16:51]

bjd:

Jester05: -t nfs ?

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bjd:

or have i had too many beers and missing the point?

[22:17:13]

Jester05:

it sets the type to be mounted.. even not including that i'm getting the same sets of error

[22:17:22]

Jester05:

missing the point lol

[22:17:54]

Jester05:

it seems like NFS simply isnt mounting that location, which it happens that location is of NTFS format

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bjd:

whats -f ?

[22:18:17]

bjd:

"Forces the revocation of write access" ?

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sphery:

from the NFS client's standpoint, it's just an NFS file system--it doesn't see the underlying low-level format

[22:18:31]

sphery:

so NTFS or otherwise makes no difference

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Jester05:

alright

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sphery:

it's likely a problem with your NFS setup or your ip/locations

[22:18:51]

Jester05:

well any good guesses as to why its not seeming to mount it?

[22:18:55]

Jester05:

hmm

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Wicked:

anyone in here using fios tv + internet and familiar with how it all works? im researching stuff about fios now and im a little confused on some things.

[22:19:01]

sphery:

NFS /server/ setup, I meant

[22:19:22]

Jester05:

yeah I know what you mean.. I'm running mythbuntu .. mostly factory settings

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Jester05:

using shares-admin (a share gui tool) I've got this file set to be shared via NFS and its allowing my IP address to connect to it

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kormoc:

Wicked: plenty of us have or do

[22:21:11]

Wicked:

kormoc, ah well...ill just ask then. :)

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miner49er:

nothings simple is it? httprequest.cpp:1095: error: â€˜QDomNodeListâ€™ was not declared in this scope

[22:23:30]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Think it's OK to backport http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23886 to 0.23-fixes? Technically, it's a new feature, but it also fixes an old broken feature by throwing it away and using the new feature instead. :)

[22:23:51]

sphery:

miner49er: looks like now you're compiling with Qt3 instead of Qt4

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miner49er:

brilliant, so this means I'll have to built Qt4 as well?

[22:24:22]

sphery:

miner49er: if so, after you set up your environment properly, you'll need to: find . -name 'Makefile' -delete && svn revert -R .

[22:24:33]

sphery:

well, if you don't have Qt4 installed, then yeah :)

[22:24:51]

sphery:

or just use 0.21-fixes on all your systems

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miner49er:

This is depressing

[22:25:08]

miner49er:

This is what I'm trying to do

[22:25:18]

miner49er:

I've downloaded 0.21fixes

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skd5aner:

wouldn't a make distclean do that?

[22:25:43]

sphery:

you're trying to compile 0.21-fixes?

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skd5aner:

miner49er: also, don't type "qmake"

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sphery:

if so, you need Qt3, not Qt4

[22:26:00]

miner49er:

yes, 0.21fixes

[22:26:15]

miner49er:

I'll check what version I have (standard etch...)

[22:26:17]

skd5aner:

just "./configure" "make" "make install"

[22:26:19]

mallen_:

Can anyone help me with connecting the back end and the front after i have found my channels?

[22:26:50]

sphery:

mallen_: best bet is to just ask a more specific question and if someone can help, they will

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miner49er:

./configure didn't complain – well it asked for liblame, which I provided then it carried on fine

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Wicked:

well. im kinda confused about the ONT and how everything works. I thought that they ran fiber to your house..then hooked up your existing coax input to theres...and all the old wiring in your house was used...but someone told me that you need the actiontec router they give you to provide guide data to each stb...

[22:27:02]

sphery:

(after working out contract/fee schedule, of course :)

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Wicked:

so does it go verion -> ONT at your house -> actiontec router -> then off to all the stb's?

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kormoc:

Wicked: tes

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kormoc:

*yes

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mallen_:

Alrite, hows this. What would cause my Live Tv button to say please wait.... then go back to the main screen.

[22:28:09]

Wicked:

so all the cabling i have now...will have to re routed to whereever they put the actiontec router?

[22:28:32]

miner49er:

yep. I have QT4 installed...how did it myth 0.21 work before?

[22:28:45]

sphery:

mallen_: let's see your frontend and backend log output in a pastebin, please: http://mythtv.pastebin.com/

[22:28:46]

kormoc:

Wicked: depends on how it's wired. If they share common connectivity then no, but if they don't, then yes

[22:28:48]

iamlindoro:

by also having Qt3 installed

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miner49er:

Might be easier to rebuild my server!

[22:28:50]

Wicked:

myth0.21 used qt3 miner49er

[22:28:59]

Wicked:

hmm.

[22:29:15]

mallen_:

sphery: how would i print the output?

[22:29:17]

Beirdo:

blah blah blah

[22:29:40]

miner49er:

I think I screwed up my server big time, I remember having a dependecy problem a few months ago...and screwing around until it worked...this must've been the cause of all this

[22:29:40]

Beirdo:

dangit. Marlins lose.

[22:29:40]

sphery:

mallen_: it's likely being written to log files--maybe in /var/log/mythbackend or /var/log/mythfrontend or ...

[22:30:04]

sphery:

mallen_: would be best if you could clear whatever's there, then stop the frontend and backend, then restart, then attempt LiveTV in the frontend

[22:30:07]

sphery:

then paste

[22:30:09]

sphery:

bin

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Wicked:

well right now cabled comes into my house and is split off several ways to each room with tv.....and the splits on outside on the side of my house. Will they put the ONT on the outside of my house? but then what about the router used to get data..surely that cannot be installed outside

[22:30:42]

mallen_:

sphery: i dont want to lose my channel scans (i have no idea what freq, etc... i used)

[22:30:54]

sphery:

mallen_: I mean clear the log files

[22:30:59]

sphery:

you won't lose anything if you clear them

[22:30:59]

mallen_:

oh

[22:31:13]

sphery:

(except old errors that could distract people trying to help you :)

[22:31:14]

kormoc:

the ont is outside but the router will be inside, yes

[22:31:40]

miner49er:

shame the backend needs QT really...

[22:31:47]

sphery:

kormoc: ont = Outside Network Technology?

[22:32:15]

Wicked:

optical network terminal

[22:32:17]

mallen_:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/J5j0MQVP http://pastebin.com/J5j0MQVP

[22:32:18]

sphery:

miner49er: Qt is a C++ framework. It has nothing to do with GUI (though it does /also/ include a GUI framework)

[22:33:02]

miner49er:

Oh right, I always assumed it was for GUI stuff

[22:33:14]

Beirdo:

ummm, Qt's primary use for most people is the GUI

[22:33:26]

mallen_:

sphery: so clear the log files start backend, then frontend and then click live tv?

[22:33:38]

Beirdo:

but anyways ;)

[22:34:09]

sphery:

but the 5? packages of Qt4 that are /not/ the 1 Qt-GUI package says there's a lot more to Qt than GUI

[22:34:16]

sphery:

:)

[22:34:22]

Beirdo:

yeah, it's not ONLY GUI

[22:34:30]

Beirdo:

but with no GUI, most people wouldn't touch it

[22:34:53]

sphery:

mallen_: yep

[22:35:20]

sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, that may be true, too

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mallen_:

said could connect to database or host

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nichos:

Hi all, when installing a new distro to run myth should I go 32 or 64? (this will only run myth and boxee)

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sphery:

mallen_: frontend did? Or backend?

[22:36:03]

Beirdo:

anyways... it's a moot point, the decision was made... more than 5 yrs ago... to use Qt for the backend, so... :)

[22:36:10]

sphery:

nichos: at this point it doesn't really matter much.

[22:36:13]

mallen_:

called mythtv-setup.real

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nichos:

sphery: wouldn't be faster for encoding?

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mallen_:

sphery: must be frontend

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** nichos is trying to decide is flash 64 is worth the headache **

[22:37:05]

sphery:

mallen_: mythtv-setup? Didn't you have mythfrontend running before when you tried Watch TV and got Please Wait?

[22:37:17]

mallen_:

yea

[22:37:23]

sphery:

try running mythfrontend

[22:37:23]

mallen_:

but this setup keeps poping up for some reason

[22:37:41]

sphery:

you may not have your current user set up to run mythfrontend/mythtv-setup

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sphery:

might need to: sudo -u mythtv -i

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sphery:

assuming *buntu

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mallen_:

ok ill do that command now

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mallen_:

the setup poped up when i clicked frontend

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mallen_:

sphery: ok i typed that in, should i start up frontend?

[22:39:12]

mallen_:

or backed?

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sphery:

nichos: people will argue all sorts of efficiency things for 32-bit vs 64-bit, but IMHO, the difference is small compared to the difficulty of video encoding, so it's not worth choosing an arch over. Also, ideally, you'll *never* do any /en/coding.

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sphery:

mallen_: is the backend running? You likely want to restart it with the restart script (which upstart may have done for you if *buntu)

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sphery:

mallen_: ps -efw | grep mythback

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mallen_:

how do u start the backend

[22:40:42]

mallen_:

i just have the setup

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mallen_:

under my system – admin

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sphery:

try exiting mythtv-setup and see if it starts up

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sphery:

might need to go into setup first

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nichos:

sphery: thanks mate!

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mallen_:

K should i comelete or kill the setup?

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sphery:

is there a nice way to exit it?

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sphery:

without losing config

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mallen_:

nope

[22:42:12]

sphery:

can you just Next|Next|Next|Finish it?

[22:42:12]

mallen_:

well

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mallen_:

i esc

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mallen_:

and im in mthfilldatabase

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mallen_:

terminal

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sphery:

ok

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mallen_:

Would you like to configue the database now?

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sphery:

then can exit that

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sphery:

Ctrl-D?

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mallen_:

k

[22:42:52]

sphery:

(or exit)

[22:42:56]

mallen_:

i exited

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sphery:

and is mythbackend running, now?

[22:43:19]

** sphery should have let someone who knows *buntu help you with this **

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iamlindoro:

/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart

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mallen_:

sphery: no according to the proces aka task manager

[22:43:47]

iamlindoro:

if it's gonna happen, it'll be up after that

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iamlindoro:

(or rather)

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iamlindoro:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart

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sphery:

thx

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mallen_:

rgr

[22:44:33]

mallen_:

typed that in

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iamlindoro:

and then you can do "tail -100 /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log"

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iamlindoro:

and pastebin the results

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miner49er:

I take it 0.22fixes uses QT4?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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mallen_:

http://pastebin.com/wp4jCH9z

[22:46:21]

miner49er:

Gonna try building that instead of getting hold of QT3

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miner49er:

I don't understand what's happend to my debian etch – it's well screwed up

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sphery:

mallen_: you said you didn't want to lose you channel config, etc, but it looks like you've never done the channel config

[22:47:12]

mallen_:

oh

[22:47:15]

mallen_:

ok

[22:47:17]

mallen_:

<--- lost

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sphery:

or at least, never saved the mythtv-setup configuration

[22:47:24]

mallen_:

yea

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mallen_:

frak

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iamlindoro:

or the user the init script su's to doesn't have a config.xml/mysql.txt

[22:47:36]

skd5aner:

the new preferred *buntu way is "service mythtv-backend restart" since last fall, running directly is deprecated

[22:47:41]

sphery:

when you start it does it ask about the hostname/IP address/database server

[22:47:44]

iamlindoro:

ubuntu can suck it

[22:47:47]

iamlindoro:

we do it my way ;)

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skd5aner:

both will work :)

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mallen_:

sphery: yep

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sphery:

did you tell it to save that info?

[22:48:07]

iamlindoro:

sphery, the default init script su's the backend to root I think

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mallen_:

i thought i did

[22:48:17]

iamlindoro:

think this is just a config.xml thing

[22:48:17]

mallen_:

I dont think its at deafults

[22:48:26]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, what user are you logged in as?

[22:48:27]

mallen_:

and i do not know what the info should be for an open sever

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mallen_:

sudo

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mallen_:

main root

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mallen_:

admin

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iamlindoro:

uhh

[22:48:46]

iamlindoro:

what?

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mallen_:

rfurnival

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mallen_:

is the login user name

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iamlindoro:

then please do the following

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iamlindoro:

sudo cp /home/rfurnival/.mythtv/config.xml /root/.mythtv/

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iamlindoro:

report any errors

[22:49:31]

** sphery is glad iamlindoro saved him from his ignorance of *buntu **

[22:49:31]

skd5aner:

HDD order just placed, now what is taking UPS so long?!

[22:50:11]

mallen_:

cp: missing destination file operand after `/home/rfurnival/.mytv/config.xml/root/.mythtv/'

[22:50:14]

sphery:

skd5aner: it got misrouted. But thanks for the new 2TB WD Green.

[22:50:29]

sphery:

mallen_: missing space in the middle

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mallen_:

rgr

[22:50:35]

mallen_:

no errors

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iamlindoro:

cat /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend |grep "USER="

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mallen_:

when copied correctly

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iamlindoro:

^^ run that please

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skd5aner:

sphery: you can keep it, I decided on a samsung drive after a bit a searching

[22:50:48]

iamlindoro:

and put the result here

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skd5aner:

;)

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sphery:

skd5aner: what sold you on Samsung? Price?

[22:51:14]

mallen_:

[22:51:17]

mallen_:

no reuslt

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iamlindoro:

erm, that doesn't make any sense

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sphery:

mallen_: which mythtv are you using? Which Ubuntu?

[22:51:52]

mallen_:

Ubuntu 34 bit

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mallen_:

9.10

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iamlindoro:

ah, extra two bits causing the problem

[22:52:10]

sphery:

wonder if that's the one using upstart

[22:52:14]

iamlindoro:

no

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mallen_:

lol

[22:52:26]

skd5aner:

sphery: I've got 3–4 samsungs now, no problems... of course I've got WDs, Hitatchis, and Seagates too, but I just did some searches for comparisons of the model numbers...

[22:52:27]

mallen_:

u no what i ment

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iamlindoro:

mallen_, cat /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend

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iamlindoro:

mallen_, pastebin the whole script please

[22:53:05]

sphery:

skd5aner: Ah, just curious. I always buy based on price--and usually get lots of grief from people in here for my doing so.

[22:53:17]

mallen_:

http://pastebin.com/PQcVwbFF

[22:53:39]

skd5aner:

sphery: the samsung was basically $30 off, same price as the WDs + free shipping – also, I've read some complaints about how the WDs do head parking way too agressively

[22:53:48]

iamlindoro:

what the deuce

[22:53:57]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, Before we go crazy, please just do

[22:54:04]

iamlindoro:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart

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skd5aner:

sphery: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152202

[22:54:15]

iamlindoro:

then

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iamlindoro:

tail -100 /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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iamlindoro:

and pastebin

[22:55:03]

skd5aner:

sphery: http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=100152& nbsp;– this is one reason that I didn't go for the WD Greens

[22:55:24]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, So you were worried about a four year old forum post?

[22:55:26]

skd5aner:

lots of other discussions out there on it, that was just one

[22:55:31]

iamlindoro:

versus the advice of people you know in the present?

[22:55:41]

iamlindoro:

great, remind me to advise you in the future

[22:55:45]

mallen_:

iamlindoro: http://pastebin.com/gMwfFB72

[22:55:50]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: sorry, actually found it in a recent article on storagereview.com

[22:55:52]

mallen_:

did it exactly in the order above

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sphery:

skd5aner: now I have the song "Where's Your Head At?" stuck in my head

[22:56:12]

** sphery imagines the monkeys in the HDD playing music **

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner, well, they're wrong. Nice work.

[22:56:35]

** iamlindoro grumbles and swears off helping people **

[22:56:39]

miner49er:

heh, 0.22fixes configure gives: Qt4.4 or newer is required to build MythTV.

[22:56:55]

iamlindoro:

right, because Qt 4.4 or newer is required to build MythTV

[22:56:55]

mallen_:

lol

[22:57:07]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopi . . . 28c01517468b

[22:57:20]

miner49er:

heh, and I have 4.2. Nice

[22:57:47]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: yea, could very well be a non-issue, but I still feel like the samsung was a good deal, it's an "eco" based drive too, 5400

[22:57:55]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, How did you install MythTV? Do you have a /home/mythtv ?

[22:58:44]

mallen_:

i installed

[22:58:55]

mallen_:

it through Ubuntu Software center

[22:59:04]

mallen_:

should i unistall and use the package manager or terminal?

[22:59:04]

skd5aner:

Jan 13 2010 – "I have just installed a new WD15EADS from Nov 2009 in my system, and the LCC count just went up to 2000 in 3 days. "

[22:59:07]

sphery:

mallen_: when I said to clear your log files, what did you clear?

[22:59:12]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, No, just answer the question ;)

[22:59:19]

iamlindoro:

<iamlindoro> mallen_, How did you install MythTV? Do you have a /home/mythtv ?

[22:59:20]

sphery:

just making sure there wasn't any extra deletion

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mallen_:

I installed it through Ubuntu Software center

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iamlindoro:

annnnnnnnnnnnnd?

[23:00:16]

sphery:

and is there a /home/mythtv ?

[23:00:35]

mallen_:

sphery: no there is not

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sphery:

weird

[23:00:57]

mallen_:

iamlindoro: Through that manager i searched mthTV and installed the backend and the frontend

[23:01:12]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I still appreciate your advice, just didn't go the same route, that's all :)

[23:01:14]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, when you are logged in as yourself, you can run mythtv-setup without any complaints about the database, right?

[23:02:07]

mallen_:

yea

[23:02:07]

skd5aner:

My last 2 drives that failed (over the past 4 years) were both WD drives, so I've got a little bias based on that

[23:02:09]

mallen_:

i just started up

[23:02:10]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, Open a second terminal and without doing anything else, run the following, and *do not close the terminal*

[23:02:21]

mallen_:

iamlindoro: Please sleclect your preferred language

[23:02:27]

iamlindoro:

erm

[23:02:37]

iamlindoro:

OK, should ahve been more clear

[23:02:49]

iamlindoro:

that's what you get when your database is inaccessible

[23:02:57]

mallen_:

ok makes sense

[23:03:01]

iamlindoro:

where/when/how did you scan channels?

[23:03:11]

iamlindoro:

BEcause from everything we are seeing, your system isn't remotely set up yet

[23:03:12]

mallen_:

through the backend setup

[23:03:17]

iamlindoro:

which is mythtv-setup

[23:03:29]

sphery:

skd5aner: At one point, all my hard drives were Seagate, then I had 2 Seagate drive failures, so then I switched all of my drives to Samsung, and then I had 2 Samsung disk failures, so now all my hard drives are Western Digital... ;)

[23:03:33]

mallen_:

i set up my tuner with some help form a guide

[23:03:43]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, How did you go about running mythtv-setup?

[23:03:44]

sphery:

(that was a joke)

[23:03:50]

mallen_:

iamlindoro: terminal

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iamlindoro:

did it give you a language prompt at that time?

[23:04:02]

skd5aner:

sphery: haha – you know how many people do that though?

[23:04:02]

mallen_:

no

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iamlindoro:

okay, so sometime between then and now, you have broken your configuration

[23:04:11]

mallen_:

rgr

[23:04:14]

iamlindoro:

which means you need to unbreak it :)

[23:04:18]

mallen_:

frak

[23:04:23]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, I've seen some heated arguments inspired by that line of thinking

[23:04:24]

mallen_:

theres no restart?

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mallen_:

unistall etc

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iamlindoro:

no

[23:04:40]

iamlindoro:

well, I mean there might be

[23:04:50]

iamlindoro:

but only ubuntu folks would know about their packages

[23:04:52]

iamlindoro:

anyway

[23:04:53]

mallen_:

bah ok, should i proceede with the set up

[23:04:56]

iamlindoro:

no

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skd5aner:

sphery: I honestly don't really care, unless there's clear data to show an issue (like the specific "deathstars" or the firmware issue that seagate had with their 1.5TB drives)

[23:04:59]

sphery:

IMHO, all HDD's fail, and all out-perform my needs, so I buy based on price.

[23:05:05]

iamlindoro:

you need to fix your database issue first

[23:05:15]

miner49er:

How come if I remove all traces of QT4 from my system, then try and build 0.21fixes, it fails with *** No rule to make target `../../../../share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.

[23:05:24]

miner49er:

should I do a make clean?

[23:05:31]

mallen_:

got any ideas on how to do that or is that impossible without seeing it?

[23:05:44]

sphery:

skd5aner: I (seriously) have a Hitachi DeskStar that's been clicking (ca-chunk, ca-chunk every 30s or so) since Nov 2008.

[23:05:49]

sphery:

darn thing won't fail

[23:05:52]

skd5aner:

sphery: yup – same here, I'll try to compare all the ones that are the same entry-price for the size I'm looking for

[23:06:13]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, pastebin the contents of ~/.mythtv/config.xml

[23:06:40]

sphery:

I don't trust it because of the sound it makes, but I refuse to replace it while it's still working, so it's been sitting there on a system where I don't keep any critical data for 18mos not failing

[23:06:40]

skd5aner:

sphery: I had a HD (don't remember the brand) that had a serious problem like that, took about 8 months, but it was a backup drive, so didn't really cause any problems

[23:06:46]

sphery:

(and it gets some pretty heavy use, too)

[23:06:56]

skd5aner:

sphery: If it were a primary drive, it would have scared me

[23:07:20]

sphery:

yeah, mine is the the HDD in the system, but nothing important on the drive

[23:07:27]

sphery:

s/the the/the only/

[23:07:37]

skd5aner:

sphery: interestingly enough, I had a RAID 1 setup in one of my systems, and the array would randomly fail every few months...

[23:07:55]

mallen_:

iamlindoro: it opens into a web browser

[23:08:14]

skd5aner:

sphery: turns out, there power connector must have a bad solder joint or something, if you barely jiggle it, you'll hear it spin up and down as the power kicks in and out

[23:08:16]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, erm, linux my friend... we use the command line :)

[23:08:26]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, cat ~/.mythtv/config.xml

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mallen_:

~/.mythtv/config.xml

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sphery:

or copy/paste the contents out of the browser into pastebin :)

[23:08:43]

mallen_:

http://pastebin.com/BUuHu9nh

[23:08:46]

mallen_:

that?

[23:08:52]

sphery:

that!

[23:08:59]

mallen_:

yes!

[23:09:00]

sphery:

that's a good config.xml

[23:09:09]

sphery:

whose is it?

[23:09:12]

mallen_:

mine

[23:09:17]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, what happens when you run this

[23:09:24]

skd5aner:

sphery: I can't see any obvious areas on the power connector on the drive to try and fix it, but I basically have a "healthy" disk otherwise :(

[23:09:25]

iamlindoro:

mysql -u mythtv -p4WwYhu3O mythconverg

[23:09:28]

mallen_:

its in /etc/mythtv

[23:09:38]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, please cut and paste the above if at all possible

[23:09:48]

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skd5aner:

what is in /etc/mythtv?

[23:09:56]

iamlindoro:

(so that you don't mess up the text entry)

[23:09:57]

sphery:

skd5aner: interesting... I wonder if it could be something like that for me (as I have plugged/unplugged the drive a lot)

[23:10:07]

mallen_:

welcome to the MySQL monitor

[23:10:16]

mallen_:

my MySQL connection is ...

[23:10:16]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, ok

[23:10:20]

iamlindoro:

type quit

[23:10:26]

iamlindoro:

(and press enter)

[23:10:29]

mallen_:

bye

[23:10:30]

iamlindoro:

back at a command prompt?

[23:10:36]

mallen_:

yep

[23:11:04]

iamlindoro:

sudo cp /etc/mythtv/config.xml /home/rfurnival/.mythtv/

[23:11:11]

iamlindoro:

sudo cp /etc/mythtv/config.xml /root/.mythtv/

[23:11:13]

iamlindoro:

both of those

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[23:11:23]

iamlindoro:

(again, cut and paste if possible)

[23:11:31]

mallen_:

first one no output

[23:11:48]

iamlindoro:

and now, just for the heck of it, do

[23:11:51]

mallen_:

second one: cp: `/etc/mythtv/config.xml' and `/root/.mythtv/config.xml' are the same file

[23:12:01]

sphery:

symlinks

[23:12:06]

iamlindoro:

sudo rm /home/rfurnival/.mythtv/mysql.txt

[23:12:11]

iamlindoro:

sudo rm /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt

[23:12:24]

mallen_:

which one

[23:12:26]

iamlindoro:

both

[23:12:28]

mallen_:

both

[23:12:32]

iamlindoro:

both

[23:12:39]

mallen_:

whats that do

[23:12:42]

mallen_:

first one no ouput

[23:12:48]

iamlindoro:

removes a file if it is present

[23:12:54]

sphery:

clears the old files so you can put the new ones in place

[23:13:01]

mallen_:

rm: cannot remove `/root/.mythtv/mysql.txt': No such file or directory

[23:13:07]

iamlindoro:

or rather, clears then and we won't put anything in their place

[23:13:10]

iamlindoro:

ok, good

[23:13:14]

iamlindoro:

now, open a second terminal

[23:13:28]

iamlindoro:

in that terminal (logged in as rfurnival)

[23:13:30]

iamlindoro:

type

[23:13:35]

iamlindoro:

mythbackend.real

[23:13:45]

iamlindoro:

wait until it settles down, then pastebin everything it outputs

[23:14:40]

mallen_:

command not found

[23:14:51]

iamlindoro:

then just type

[23:14:53]

iamlindoro:

mythbackend

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iamlindoro:

and same request

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[23:16:29]

mallen_:

It asked

[23:16:35]

mallen_:

would u like to config database

[23:16:58]

** iamlindoro blinks repeatedly **

[23:17:01]

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[23:17:11]

mallen_:

<--- windows user

[23:17:16]

mallen_:

bare with me,

[23:17:27]

mallen_:

is that a yes?

[23:17:34]

iamlindoro:

a yes what?

[23:18:02]

mallen_:

http://pastebin.com/1bAL0BFW

[23:18:04]

iamlindoro:

to getting bare with you?

[23:18:11]

iamlindoro:

I'd rather bear with you instead

[23:18:16]

mallen_:

lol

[23:18:29]

iamlindoro:

sure, let's get interactive

[23:18:31]

sphery:

that's a wonder why it's asking for db config blinking

[23:18:32]

iamlindoro:

answer yes

[23:18:34]

sphery:

not a yes

[23:18:46]

sphery:

now a yes

[23:18:48]

mallen_:

sorry ive been working with this sense 4 this morning

[23:18:59]

mallen_:

database host name

[23:19:00]

iamlindoro:

and presumably, since 4 this morning too

[23:19:03]

iamlindoro:

hostname is

[23:19:05]

mallen_:

127.0.0.1?

[23:19:06]

iamlindoro:

localhost

[23:19:10]

mallen_:

rgr

[23:19:17]

mallen_:

test ping?

[23:19:23]

iamlindoro:

no

[23:19:30]

mallen_:

port?

[23:19:47]

iamlindoro:

0

[23:19:54]

mallen_:

rgr

[23:20:07]

mallen_:

database name?

[23:20:11]

iamlindoro:

mythconverg

[23:20:14]

iamlindoro:

(TYPE CAREFULLY)

[23:20:33]

mallen_:

user name

[23:20:35]

iamlindoro:

mythtv

[23:20:48]

mallen_:

pass?

[23:20:53]

iamlindoro:

4WwYhu3O

[23:21:00]

skd5aner:

heh

[23:21:00]

iamlindoro:

(CAREFULLY! CASE SENSITIVE!)

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[23:21:06]

mallen_:

unige id

[23:21:11]

iamlindoro:

blank

[23:21:20]

iamlindoro:

(as in, hit enter)

[23:21:21]

mallen_:

use Wake on lan

[23:21:25]

iamlindoro:

no

[23:21:37]

mallen_:

its doing something

[23:21:45]

** iamlindoro really hopes mallen_ got the last password character right **

[23:21:57]

mallen_:

I copied and pasted

[23:22:01]

mallen_:

to make sure

[23:22:16]

iamlindoro:

ok, pastebin the output when you can

[23:22:29]

mallen_:

paused on Seem to be woken by USER

[23:22:40]

iamlindoro:

that's a good sign, but would prefer to see it all

[23:22:53]

mallen_:

k did something

[23:23:00]

mallen_:

then B w/freq: 15min

[23:23:04]

mallen_:

then paused

[23:23:06]

iamlindoro:

it's going to keep doing somethings, need a pastevin

[23:23:08]

skd5aner:

pastebin

[23:23:09]

iamlindoro:

pastebin

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[23:23:31]

mallen_:

http://pastebin.com/eVF4pkZk

[23:23:38]

mallen_:

thats part of it

[23:23:40]

sphery:

pastevin: send a friend a nice glass of wine

[23:23:42]

iamlindoro:

good

[23:23:48]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, now do the following

[23:23:53]

iamlindoro:

press ctrl-c to kill that backend process

[23:24:02]

iamlindoro:

you should have a command prompt

[23:24:27]

iamlindoro:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart

[23:24:27]

mallen_:

meaning close out all other terminals?

[23:24:32]

iamlindoro:

no, meaning press-ctrl-c

[23:24:38]

iamlindoro:

which should bring you to a command prompt

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mallen_:

ohhh

[23:24:40]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: does he have to sudo that?

[23:24:43]

mallen_:

neat trick

[23:24:46]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, yes

[23:24:56]

mallen_:

im back on main command line

[23:24:59]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, hold your questions until the end of our session

[23:25:02]

iamlindoro:

mallen_,

[23:25:03]

iamlindoro:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart

[23:25:06]

iamlindoro:

^^ please

[23:25:08]

iamlindoro:

then

[23:25:16]

iamlindoro:

tail -100 /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

[23:25:19]

iamlindoro:

and pastebin

[23:25:51]

mallen_:

http://pastebin.com/bYZ2JDPM

[23:25:56]

mallen_:

first part

[23:26:33]

mallen_:

http://pastebin.com/NxE5Nygi

[23:26:37]

mallen_:

last command

[23:26:53]

iamlindoro:

gotta be kidding me

[23:27:14]

iamlindoro:

this is some fouled up upstart nonsense somewhere

[23:27:31]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro...

[23:27:33]

iamlindoro:

anyone know where ubuntu keeps its craptastic upstart scripts?

[23:27:45]

skd5aner:

I'm wondering something here...

[23:27:50]

skd5aner:

I think I know what might be happening?

[23:27:57]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, ?

[23:28:11]

skd5aner:

mallen_: just humor me for a second...

[23:28:14]

iamlindoro:

no

[23:28:15]

mallen_:

ok

[23:28:17]

iamlindoro:

please expound first

[23:28:23]

skd5aner:

ok...

[23:28:23]

mallen_:

i wont do anything quite yet

[23:28:36]

skd5aner:

well, when he did the interactive mode...

[23:28:56]

skd5aner:

you can see in the output it did create the mysql.txt, he did that under his account's context...

[23:29:28]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, which is the reason I am asking where the upstart scripts are

[23:29:28]

skd5aner:

when you have him sudo to start the upstart script, it's running under the context of root, where mysql.txt doesn't existing under /root/.mythtv/

[23:29:42]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, no, it's not necessarily running as root

[23:29:49]

skd5aner:

mallen_: can you please try to run service myth-backend restart

[23:29:51]

skd5aner:

without a sudo?

[23:29:53]

iamlindoro:

which is, again, why I'm asking where the upstart scripts are

[23:29:55]

iamlindoro:

NO

[23:30:02]

iamlindoro:

that is not how init/upstart work

[23:30:36]

skd5aner:

http://pastebin.com/NxE5Nygi – read line 51

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[23:30:49]

skd5aner:

Ubuntu moved to that in 9.10

[23:30:55]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, you need to slow down and listen

[23:31:01]

iamlindoro:

and read the pastebin of his init script

[23:31:07]

iamlindoro:

his init script *calls* upstart

[23:31:09]

sphery:

does this help with the upstart stuff? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ripts/README

[23:31:24]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, That message is a warning that init wont' work forever

[23:31:31]

sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . backend.conf

[23:31:35]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, the init script itself will set which user the backend will run as

[23:32:09]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: ok, just thought it was worth a shot :( trying to help, thought it was harmless, quick test :(

[23:32:18]

mallen_:

no harm

[23:32:22]

mallen_:

thanks for looking at it

[23:32:28]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: do you have a remote setup with lirc?

[23:32:42]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo, yes

[23:32:56]

Beirdo:

any chance you could get me a dump from "mode2"?

[23:33:02]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, run the following

[23:33:04]

Beirdo:

any button. :)

[23:33:31]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo, need to run downstairs to do that and would prefer to finish with mallen_ first

[23:33:32]

Beirdo:

I'm just trying to wrap my brain around how much data I will need to be blasting to my box and back, etc

[23:33:39]

iamlindoro:

(so someone else may be able to get to it faster)

[23:33:39]

Beirdo:

sure, no rush

[23:33:49]

iamlindoro:

mallen_,

[23:33:54]

mallen_:

here

[23:34:02]

iamlindoro:

sudo cp /home/rfurnival/.mythtv/mysql.txt /etc/mythtv

[23:34:09]

iamlindoro:

sudo cp /home/rfurnival/.mythtv/mysql.txt /root/.mythtv

[23:34:13]

iamlindoro:

sudo cp /home/rfurnival/.mythtv/mysql.txt /root/.mythtv/

[23:34:21]

iamlindoro:

please DON'T run the second

[23:34:24]

iamlindoro:

it has a typo

[23:34:35]

iamlindoro:

and just for giggles, try:

[23:34:36]

mallen_:

skip second go to third

[23:34:42]

iamlindoro:

yes

[23:34:45]

mallen_:

k

[23:34:48]

mallen_:

no output

[23:34:49]

iamlindoro:

sudo cp /home/rfurnival/.mythtv/mysql.txt /home/mythtv/.mythtv/

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[23:35:10]

mallen_:

no output either

[23:35:14]

** sphery decides that he'll never switch to upstart **

[23:35:19]

miner49er:

hey guys, I'm getting cannot find -lXv – what library do I need for that (back on 0.21fixes by the way!)

[23:35:42]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, did you get the last one?

[23:35:46]

iamlindoro:

sudo cp /home/rfurnival/.mythtv/mysql.txt /home/mythtv/.mythtv/

[23:35:49]

mallen_:

yea

[23:35:55]

iamlindoro:

any errors anywhere?

[23:35:56]

mallen_:

no output on that

[23:35:59]

mallen_:

no errors

[23:36:00]

iamlindoro:

ok

[23:36:08]

mallen_:

no output = good?

[23:36:10]

iamlindoro:

yes

[23:36:15]

skd5aner:

miner49er: libxv-dev I believe

[23:36:22]

miner49er:

cheers dude

[23:36:42]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart

[23:36:45]

iamlindoro:

er rather

[23:36:50]

iamlindoro:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart

[23:37:05]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, then please tail -100 /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

[23:37:23]

mallen_:

Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8)

[23:37:25]

mallen_:

utility, e.g. service mythtv-backend restart

[23:37:28]

iamlindoro:

doesn't matter

[23:37:29]

mallen_:

Since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an

[23:37:31]

iamlindoro:

same difference

[23:37:31]

mallen_:

Upstart job, you may also use the restart(8) utility, e.g. restart mythtv-backend

[23:37:31]

Beirdo:

oooh, my flask :)

[23:37:33]

mallen_:

opps

[23:37:37]

Beirdo:

I've been looking for this

[23:37:37]

iamlindoro:

yes, oops

[23:37:44]

mallen_:

srry to flood

[23:37:52]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, all I care about is the tail command

[23:38:02]

iamlindoro:

to a pastebin this time ;)

[23:38:05]

skd5aner:

an don't flood 100 lines ;)

[23:38:59]

mallen_:

http://pastebin.com/Z68JQgCh

[23:39:18]

mallen_:

diff error at the end i think

[23:39:29]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, you didn't run tail

[23:39:45]

iamlindoro:

tail -100 /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

[23:40:22]

mallen_:

http://pastebin.com/YaM55kng

[23:40:30]

iamlindoro:

about bloody time

[23:40:35]

mallen_:

sweet!?

[23:40:36]

sphery:

And there was much rejoicing!!!

[23:40:38]

skd5aner:

cheers

[23:40:38]

iamlindoro:

congrats, you have a running backend

[23:40:48]

mallen_:

sweet

[23:40:51]

mallen_:

so now what

[23:40:58]

sphery:

and with that, I can likely help you with the frontend/LiveTV issue

[23:41:01]

iamlindoro:

mallen_, now *IF* you configured the backend properly, you can run a frontend and record something, watch Tv, whatever

[23:41:03]

sphery:

I think iamlindoro has to run

[23:41:07]

iamlindoro:

few minutes

[23:41:19]

iamlindoro:

no obvious errors in the backend log so that's a good sign

[23:41:25]

mallen_:

gonna click watch tv

[23:41:28]

mallen_:

right

[23:41:31]

sphery:

great

[23:41:32]

mallen_:

that should get me where i need to go

[23:41:40]

mallen_:

omgsh

[23:41:45]

sphery:

that sounds good

[23:41:53]

skd5aner:

it was the missing mysql.txt file in /home/mythtv/.mythtv it appears

[23:42:00]

iamlindoro:

seems so

[23:42:13]

iamlindoro:

Would have helped to have gotten a correct answer when I asked about it

[23:42:15]

mallen_:

dude

[23:42:24]

mallen_:

ummm iamlindoro: u dah man

[23:42:28]

mallen_:

i think i got it

[23:42:39]

iamlindoro:

<iamlindoro> annnnnnnnnnnnnd?

[23:42:39]

iamlindoro:

<sphery> and is there a /home/mythtv ?

[23:42:40]

iamlindoro:

<mallen_> sphery: no there is not

[23:42:52]

iamlindoro:

see, we could have fixed it a long, long time ago if you had given the correct answer ;)

[23:42:57]

sphery:

Please send all tips via PayPal to iamlindoro_is_the_man

[23:43:02]

iamlindoro:

ha

[23:43:09]

mallen_:

you should set that up

[23:43:25]

skd5aner:

just buy arclightplus

[23:43:27]

skd5aner:

;)

[23:43:40]

iamlindoro:

ArclightPro ;)

[23:44:05]

mallen_:

improv?

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[23:44:21]

skd5aner:

oh, sorry – plus is probably some badware phising attempt, confusing legitimate users in order to install spyware or something

[23:44:36]

sphery:

There's always http://www.fecitfacta.com/Graphite/Home.html

[23:44:41]

mallen_:

set up a guide? is there a wiki for this at all?

[23:44:50]

iamlindoro:

wiki.mythtv.org ?

[23:44:52]

sphery:

mallen_: you mean listings?

[23:44:57]

Beirdo:

oooh, it's Ashley Judd night

[23:44:58]

iamlindoro:

oh, listings

[23:45:10]

sphery:

mallen_: where are you? (country)

[23:45:15]

mallen_:

United States

[23:45:17]

mallen_:

VA beach cox

[23:45:17]

sphery:

No, I'm in the city :)

[23:45:28]

sphery:

mallen_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Schedules_Direct

[23:45:43]

skd5aner:

http://schedulesdirect.org – you're probably going to want to setup an account there, the wiki page sphery mentioned gives you the details

[23:46:27]

sphery:

any one else thinks the Note box on that page could be deleted?

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[23:46:50]

mallen_:

easy way to change channels? set up channels?

[23:47:08]

skd5aner:

sphery: probably, it's just a bit confusing – especially since it's over

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sphery:

yeah, you'll need to set up

[23:47:49]

mallen_:

channels arnt rly working now

[23:47:56]

skd5aner:

mallen_: first, read the documenation, then the wiki, then the mailing list, then come here and we'll clarify/fill in the gaps

[23:47:58]

mallen_:

can i run the backend settings manager?

[23:48:02]

mallen_:

rgr

[23:48:06]

mallen_:

adios for now

[23:48:19]

skd5aner:

glad to see iamlindoro was able to get you up and running, enjoy

[23:48:26]

mallen_:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

I am cruel but fair

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iamlindoro:

;)

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mallen_:

devin was helping me earlier

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iamlindoro:

Oh well what does he know about anything

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mallen_:

lol

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iamlindoro:

(joke, we are friends)

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sphery:

mallen_: remember that Schedules Direct has a 7-day free trial

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mallen_:

yea i signed up for it earlier

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sphery:

ah, cool

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sphery:

it's /well/ worth the cost

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sphery:

$20/yr is cheap compared to what you get

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Beirdo:

dangIT

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Beirdo:

just ran outta packing tape

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: tisk tisk

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, if you're sure that transcode delete file stuff works then I'd say it's ok to backport. it does fix an issue and standardizes the code in the process.

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: ok. I've tested it successfully and had a couple users report success. Haven't done anything with the mythvideo transcoding, though, to see if that works.

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sphery:

yeah, that Schedules Direct wiki page is pretty useless... mainly historical trivia

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skd5aner:

I stopped reading after it mentioned that packagers would be on an accelerated released schedule because of the switchover :P

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sphery:

yeah, that's gone, now

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sphery:

I have a feeling it will be rewritten soon to become a step-by-step walkthrough

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sphery:

(proably complete with screenshots)

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skd5aner:

it wouldn't hurt to put a tiny bit of historical context to explain how schedules direct emerged, when, and why :)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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skd5aner:

but the details there now, were probably mostly written in the haste of when they were scrambling to bring SD up

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: yah well, I can use the break from packing anyways

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