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Friday, April 2nd, 2010, 00:00 UTC
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[00:01:09] i_is_cat: according to mythtv.org there should be an LCDd.conf file for mythlcdsrver included with mythtv but i cant find it...???
[00:01:19] Beirdo: jeez
[00:01:36] jolaren: iamlindoro, http://blog.sidboswell.com/wp-content/uploads . . . ntu_logo.png
[00:01:36] Beirdo: I use irssi. but I don't have my iPhone connect to it at this time
[00:01:41] jolaren: iamlindoro, like you said.. it' the mythbuntu logo
[00:01:47] jolaren: sorry I mislead you
[00:02:27] jolaren: that's not the exact logo i use btw
[00:02:29] jolaren: mine is prettier
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[00:03:41] natanojl: i_is_cat: no, it comes with lcdproc
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[00:05:44] natanojl: now I'll run away, to bed :)
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[00:08:16] Arthur___: mythtv can i skip recording commercials
[00:08:23] Arthur___: like on regualr over the air DTV?
[00:08:37] kormoc: you'll record them but we can flag them and skip them on playback or remove them after the recording is done
[00:08:57] i_is_cat: yes thats what i figured but the wording on the page says use "our" lcdd.conf and points to a mythtv dir...]
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[00:10:11] Arthur___: the flagging is that an automatic proses or will i have to do that manually
[00:10:23] kormoc: can be automatic
[00:11:49] Beirdo: wonder who that was that just tried calling me... and didn't leave a message
[00:12:15] Beirdo: it was a Puerto Rico number, so can't be too important
[00:14:15] Beirdo: make that a PR number I don't know :)
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[00:24:31] Jester05: hey guys
[00:24:40] Jester05: anyone have trouble w/ the new x?
[00:24:54] Jester05: when I start x it just freezes up
[00:25:08] Jester05: can't tell if its my graphix driver or if its x
[00:25:10] Jester05: :-\
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[00:29:39] kormoc: new x?
[00:29:50] kormoc: xorg or new version or new build or ?
[00:30:04] Jester05: note my old install was years old and not up to date
[00:30:18] sphery: likely a driver issue
[00:30:27] Jester05: I just did a new install of arch
[00:30:28] Beirdo: hehehe
[00:30:33] Beirdo: I just had a fun idea
[00:30:37] Jester05: and for w/e reason its not allowing x to work
[00:30:52] sphery: or a config issue
[00:30:53] Jester05: but.. i just started another install.. installing slackware on my extra partition
[00:30:57] Beirdo: I should make the firmware upgrade for the IR USB box use sz
[00:31:09] Jester05: I think its jsut a config issue but I can't figure it out
[00:31:35] Beirdo: kormoc: whaddya think of THAT idea? :)
[00:31:36] Beirdo: hehe
[00:31:45] Beirdo: ZMODEM firmware upgrade :)
[00:31:46] Beirdo: heheh
[00:33:16] AndyCap: Beirdo: ooh, hot stuff,
[00:33:23] AndyCap: only seen xmodem and ymodem before
[00:33:30] Beirdo: heh
[00:33:40] Beirdo: ZMODEM kicked their butts
[00:33:54] Beirdo: but I don't know that I want to implement it in an embedded system :)
[00:33:55] Beirdo: hehe
[00:34:00] AndyCap: and had some patent issues iirc
[00:34:29] Beirdo: ummm, not that I recall
[00:34:31] AndyCap: everybody had ymodem-g and friends. but zmodem was slightly rarer.
[00:34:49] Beirdo: not in the BBS world where I grew up
[00:34:56] Beirdo: it was Zmodem, or you're a dork :)
[00:35:25] Beirdo: error detection/correction + sliding window.
[00:35:34] Beirdo: kinda almost TCP-like
[00:35:48] clever: but still limited to 1 stream on the stream
[00:35:58] Beirdo: so?
[00:36:10] clever: just saying
[00:36:34] Beirdo: for a firmware upgrade of something that's essentially UART connected... I can't think of a better way
[00:36:53] clever: yeah
[00:37:15] clever: i should look at it for fixing my xbee boot loader
[00:37:34] clever: the custom protocol has a crc at the end, but its oddly failing crc every time i leave the house, forcing me to go back to ISP
[00:37:40] Beirdo: I just don't really want the complexity in my embedded code :)
[00:38:09] Beirdo: wonder how big rz compiles to...
[00:38:25] clever: its a pain when the crc keeps failing on the same line every time and i have to just ditch the boot loader and go back to isp
[00:38:37] Beirdo: 57k in Linux
[00:38:40] kormoc: Beirdo: haha
[00:39:05] Beirdo: kormoc: you like?
[00:39:09] kormoc: yeah
[00:39:15] clever: the boot loader protocol i was using, would send 1 'page' of code, wait for the uC to flash it, and then send the next one
[00:39:29] Beirdo: I mean, essentially, the thing will be on a USB UART in my current design
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[00:40:09] Beirdo: I have used XMODEM before, but I like ZMODEM better, especially if going over USB
[00:40:19] clever: Beirdo: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/tutorial_inf . . . rials_id=122 i had taken this exampleand made a linux C client for it
[00:43:47] Beirdo: gotta read up on the use of boot code in AVR again. :) been a few years
[00:44:06] Beirdo: but knowing me, I'll have the code done in a week or less for the whole dang thing
[00:44:15] Beirdo: once I start
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[00:45:37] Beirdo: Oooh, more Van Halen, please
[00:47:33] Beirdo: oh interesting, I didn't realize they wrote ZMODEM originally for use over x.25
[00:47:36] Beirdo: nice
[00:49:16] dmz: is it possible to have my recording schedule have a full month (or more) of programming available or is it a fixed time?
[00:49:37] Beirdo: dmz: only if the schedule provider gives that much data
[00:49:50] Beirdo: which they don't in all likelihood
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[00:50:27] dmz: oh well
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[01:00:13] randomuser1: any reccomendations for a win frontend?
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[01:01:49] sphery: don't do it?
[01:02:03] kormoc: %s/\?/!/
[01:02:26] randomuser1: yeah, yeah
[01:02:36] randomuser1: i'm slowly converting my parents
[01:03:00] sphery: well, they can use windows for other stuff, just not very good for MythTV
[01:03:08] randomuser1: i want to give them something that will play before i leave.
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[01:04:03] AndyCap: randomuser1: bad frontend: upnp player + mythweb
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[01:04:57] Beirdo: mmm, Eddie Van Halen actually singing.
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[01:16:24] clever: Beirdo: the sliding window in zmodem might lead you to flashing the eeprom out of order
[01:17:00] Beirdo: no it won't
[01:17:03] Beirdo: and can't
[01:17:28] Beirdo: and besides... you don't flash the eeprom :) you program the FLASH :)
[01:17:32] clever: if you NAK a packet after youve already started receiving the next one, youll wind up skipping a page
[01:17:40] Beirdo: two separate memories
[01:17:53] clever: then the system will resend the damaged packet, and youll have to flash that one slightly out of order
[01:17:54] Beirdo: and then it goes back and retransmits it
[01:17:56] Beirdo: duh
[01:18:03] clever: yeah, s/eeprom/flash/
[01:18:26] Beirdo: and why would you not write the new packet first then back up and write the old one?
[01:19:18] clever: depends on how the flash works
[01:19:31] clever: if the flash is page erase based, youll need to make sure each packet is a page
[01:19:58] Beirdo: duh
[01:20:00] Beirdo: :)
[01:20:36] Beirdo: that would be the general idea, yes
[01:20:45] AndyCap: buy more ram
[01:20:54] Beirdo: wha?
[01:21:17] Beirdo: AndyCap: I'm talking about an embedded processor. it has 512bytes of RAM, 8k of FLASH
[01:21:32] Beirdo: and 512 of EEPROM
[01:21:58] Beirdo: putting external SRAM would triple or quadruple the system cost
[01:22:05] Beirdo: that stuff is NOT cheap
[01:22:26] AndyCap: is there anything left after implementing zmodem?  :>
[01:22:47] Beirdo: heh
[01:22:50] Beirdo: good question
[01:23:02] Beirdo: that's why I'm investigating :)
[01:23:16] clever: programs dont take up ram if they are writen well, just flash
[01:23:26] Beirdo: ?!
[01:23:32] Beirdo: heh
[01:23:48] clever: the AVR keeps the eeprom/ram/flash in seperate address spaces and doesnt ever run codes from ram
[01:23:56] clever: bit different from normal x86 stuff
[01:23:58] Beirdo: the bootloader would use the RAM to store the incoming data to write to FLASH
[01:24:06] Beirdo: I know that.
[01:24:09] clever: Beirdo: yeah, but only when actualy active
[01:24:29] clever: once its done bootloading, the ram will be free for other stuff
[01:24:30] Beirdo: jeez. I created an entire MP3 player using AVRs before (and external MP3 codec)
[01:24:38] clever: nice
[01:24:39] Beirdo: complete with IDE bus to a hard drive
[01:24:43] clever: sweet
[01:24:55] clever: ive looked at a page for that before, but it was pic
[01:25:01] clever: where did you get your docs/code?
[01:25:02] AndyCap: besides, isn't zmodem overkill for just 8k?
[01:25:02] Beirdo: the guy put it into production, never gave me one
[01:25:11] Beirdo: the code I wrote
[01:25:24] Beirdo: the docs... the only docs we needed were for the MP3 codec
[01:25:40] clever: Beirdo: i havent brushed up on the raw pata protocol lately :P
[01:25:40] Beirdo: this was... 1998 or so, BTW
[01:25:44] Beirdo: pre-iPod
[01:25:51] clever: where might i find that info
[01:26:00] Beirdo: Oooh, heck, I don't remember
[01:26:09] Beirdo: it was a ROYAL pain to do in an AVR
[01:26:17] Beirdo: block size = RAM size
[01:26:26] Beirdo: I had to swap to EEPROM to do writes
[01:26:38] Beirdo: it was nasty
[01:26:53] clever: ouch
[01:26:55] Beirdo: newer AVRs with more RAM woulda been easier
[01:26:58] clever: that will kill the lifetime of the chip
[01:27:10] Beirdo: yeah, we had no choice at the time
[01:27:23] Beirdo: the idea was to write to the disk on a PC
[01:27:25] clever: couldnt you use r01 thru r32?
[01:27:26] Beirdo: then plug it in
[01:27:37] Beirdo: no, they were being used.
[01:27:42] Beirdo: it was all hand-assembler
[01:28:19] Beirdo: and it was 2 8515 communicating by SPI
[01:28:45] Beirdo: one ran the drive, the other the codec... 2Mbit/s link between then to carry the data
[01:28:54] Beirdo: it was a fun challenge
[01:29:01] clever: what about reading half a block of data at once
[01:29:06] Beirdo: can't
[01:29:09] clever: and just leaving the drive hanging mid-page while you SPI it out
[01:29:19] Beirdo: the drive always returns a full block.
[01:29:35] Beirdo: oh good god, you trying to kill drives? :)
[01:29:36] clever: yeah, but what controls the rate it clocks the page out at?
[01:29:46] Beirdo: our bus.. and the specs
[01:29:48] clever: can you pause that mid way and spi for a moment
[01:29:51] clever: ah
[01:29:52] Beirdo: no
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[01:30:10] Beirdo: reads weren't a problem
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[01:30:13] Beirdo: it was writing
[01:30:19] clever: ah
[01:30:19] Beirdo: but anyways
[01:30:28] Beirdo: let me go read datasheets :)
[01:30:29] Beirdo: hehe
[01:30:34] clever: pata datasheets?
[01:30:39] Beirdo: AVR
[01:30:42] clever: ah
[01:31:09] Beirdo: here we are.
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[01:31:14] Beirdo: page size: 32 words
[01:31:21] Beirdo: 128 pages.
[01:31:31] clever: 64 bytes
[01:31:34] Beirdo: yes
[01:31:46] Beirdo: so there will be no issues
[01:31:56] Beirdo: at least with THAT :)
[01:31:57] Beirdo: hehe
[01:32:10] Beirdo: fitting zmodem into the boot block... that's another story
[01:32:11] clever: somethign i had to lookup with http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/tutorial_inf . . . rials_id=122 to make the C client on linux send the pages of the right size
[01:32:28] clever: you dont need the entire zmodem in the boot block
[01:32:38] clever: you could just have a tiny function that does the final call to SPM
[01:32:39] Beirdo: the code, you sure do
[01:32:48] Beirdo: no way
[01:32:52] clever: aslong as the core zmodem part in main flash isnt overwriten
[01:32:55] Beirdo: I'm locking the boot block
[01:33:12] Beirdo: and using the whole flash split into two banks for upgrading
[01:33:18] clever: i think the method i was thinking of, will lock/unlock it for you in that spm proxy function
[01:33:20] Beirdo: IF I can get things to fit
[01:33:34] Beirdo: nah, I want the boot loader locked tight
[01:33:35] clever: yeah, a backup bank is a nice idea
[01:33:55] clever: and write protecting the boot loader helps make it idiot proof
[01:34:03] clever: cant damage it without the tools you need to fix it
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[01:34:19] Beirdo: exactly
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[01:34:43] clever: then its just a matter of having the right firmware to fix it with
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[01:35:33] Beirdo: anyways, back to my datasheets :)
[01:36:17] clever: as it said on the sparkfun site, it helps alot to use ISP to check your work
[01:36:36] clever: my first major bug, is that the high/low byte of the addr was backwards
[01:37:10] clever: it buggered up and always rewrote page 0
[01:38:26] randomuser1: AndyCap said mythweb and upnp client for 'bad' win frontend; attempting to access streams from mythweb in browser returns 'does not exsist in any storage group directrories for this host'
[01:40:08] wagnerrp: randomuser1: are these recordings or videos?
[01:41:17] randomuser1: recordings.
[01:42:20] wagnerrp: well thats disappointing... this board doesnt support AHCI
[01:42:55] Beirdo: BLARGH
[01:43:04] Beirdo: chrome/acrobat fail
[01:43:27] randomuser1: i guess they cant be found locally, either
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[02:21:16] wagnerrp: hehe... 1980s Fringe tonight
[02:21:26] sphery: I'm so glad Fringe is back
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[02:21:40] FreakWent: does anyone know how to get lirc to handle two input devices? My remote puts some codes on event5, some on event6
[02:22:04] sphery: I've been going crazy without it. Like a lunatic. On the fringe...
[02:22:41] sphery: FreakWent: which remote? Is the /dev/input driver your only choice for it?
[02:22:52] FreakWent: no-name MCE remote
[02:23:30] sphery: with the USB receiver?
[02:24:06] FreakWent: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote#Media_Center_Remotes
[02:24:07] FreakWent: yeah
[02:24:15] FreakWent: mine's not there but it's similar
[02:24:31] FreakWent: I saw somewhere that there's support for everything except volume & mute
[02:24:40] sphery: well, I can't give you any details, but I'm sure it's possible to make the remote work properly with LIRC since a lot of people use them
[02:24:49] FreakWent: and those show up on input6, labelled as a mouse input.
[02:24:50] sphery: might not be /dev/input based, though
[02:25:05] FreakWent: I don't mind about that
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[02:25:22] FreakWent: but I don't know what else I'd do as the only device nodes I get are /dev/input
[02:25:50] FreakWent: probably lacking kernel support somehere.
[02:25:56] FreakWent: Ok I'll go and do more homework
[02:25:56] FreakWent: thanks
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[02:26:13] sphery: I'd recommend checking lirc_mceusb*...
[02:26:23] sphery: but then I'd just be talking to myself
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[03:10:43] Beirdo: oh bah, screw it
[03:10:58] Beirdo: XMODEM will do just fine, and will make much smaller code :)
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[03:18:39] sphery: wagnerrp: heh, I get your Fringe comment now. Great intro/identifier
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[03:37:31] Beirdo: urgh.
[03:37:54] Beirdo: the interrupt vectors... blast it.
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[03:39:51] Beirdo: this is gonna be laaaame.
[03:39:52] Beirdo: hehe
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[03:44:35] ** Beirdo documents code design **
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[03:55:13] wagnerrp: 'the FSF requires contributors to GNU projects to assign their copyright to the FSF.'
[03:55:16] wagnerrp: ... wait... what?
[03:55:24] Beirdo: yes
[03:55:28] Beirdo: they always have
[03:55:30] tank-man: old news
[03:55:38] Beirdo: if it's an OFFICIAL GNU project
[03:55:49] Beirdo: at least that was my understanding
[03:55:58] wagnerrp: oh.... GNU, as in the operating system
[03:55:59] kormoc: yup
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[03:56:06] wagnerrp: not GNU, as in the public license
[03:56:12] Beirdo: no, not GPL
[03:56:13] Beirdo: GNU
[03:56:44] Beirdo: kormoc: you probably have better words for this than I do :)
[03:56:49] wagnerrp: well then thats perfectly understandable
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[03:57:15] wagnerrp: for it to exist in their repositories, it is now of their ownership
[03:57:26] kormoc: yup
[03:57:33] Beirdo: basically. if you want them to "own" it, they need to own it
[03:58:19] kormoc: it's to prevent any single/group of devs preventing GNU project code from migrating to newer GPL versions
[03:59:13] Beirdo: it's all about GNU becoming the man... oh wait
[03:59:54] wagnerrp: hey now... doesnt disney have the copyright on that phrase?
[04:00:00] Beirdo: hehe
[04:00:08] Beirdo: BLEEP Disney
[04:00:54] Beirdo: GAH, why can't I find the AVR Instruction Set manual tonight?
[04:02:24] wagnerrp: so im playing ceasar 3
[04:02:31] Beirdo: found it linked off the part page, but not in "datasheets". I think it's in "Other Documents"
[04:02:54] wagnerrp: you have to build prefectures, which send out patrols, and eliminate the risk of fire in any building they pass
[04:02:57] Beirdo: kormoc: I think I'll be going with XMODEM for code size
[04:03:02] wagnerrp: the prefecture BURNED DOWN IN A FIRE
[04:03:34] Beirdo: hehe, too busy patrolling to keep their own building going?
[04:03:51] Beirdo: nice. Ancient Fire Department Fail
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[04:11:00] ** sphery wonders how http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8273 is a MythTV issue **
[04:11:28] wagnerrp: depends on whether hes using LIRC or not
[04:11:53] wagnerrp: well... in that case it would be an LIRC issue
[04:12:01] sphery: yeah, that's what I'm thinking
[04:12:09] Beirdo: well, it's failing in myth, so I can see why he'd get confused
[04:12:16] sphery: and since he said remote and didn't say "and keyboard"...
[04:12:27] Beirdo: but it does sound like a lirc issue to me (or equivalent in Win 7(
[04:12:46] sphery: WIRC?
[04:12:48] wagnerrp: Win7 could be capturing those IR codes before LIRC gets a chance to handle them
[04:12:55] sphery: Help, it doesn't WIRC.
[04:13:04] wagnerrp: and passing them on to applications in its own mechanism
[04:13:16] wagnerrp: it may be that boxee supports said mechanism, but mythtv doesnt
[04:13:16] sphery: yeah, sounds like a typical Windows driver
[04:13:31] wagnerrp: and LIRC does in fact exist for windows, oddly enough
[04:13:47] iamlindoro: I just closed that one
[04:13:51] sphery: thx
[04:14:02] iamlindoro: np
[04:14:04] sphery: I didn't have a creative thing to say to close it
[04:14:23] sphery: ah, and I see now that you didn't provide any poetry...
[04:14:52] iamlindoro: not this time, too tired for haiku
[04:15:20] ** sphery goes back to see Walter doing what he doesn't want to do **
[04:15:44] wagnerrp: aargh... so much fire
[04:16:00] sphery: Nero speaks!
[04:16:20] ** Beirdo hands wagnerrp a fiddle **
[04:16:44] wagnerrp: i do have yet to build my palace
[04:17:19] kormoc: perhaps for the best?
[04:17:22] kormoc: with the fire and all
[04:17:33] iamlindoro: lot of open real estate tomorrow
[04:21:57] matmatmat: whose the guy collects the bribes for the tickets again?
[04:22:16] matmatmat: +who
[04:22:18] ** kormoc eyes matmatmat **
[04:22:28] kormoc: Depends on the ticket
[04:22:35] matmatmat: hehe
[04:22:57] matmatmat: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8269
[04:22:58] wagnerrp: depends more on the bribe
[04:23:38] kormoc: matmatmat: it's already closed as fixed?
[04:24:07] matmatmat: really?
[04:24:09] matmatmat: oh
[04:24:14] matmatmat: when
[04:24:14] wagnerrp: im sure tralph would be willing to accept payment in multiple forms
[04:24:15] Beirdo: so send kormoc the bribe, but it's been fixed :)
[04:24:17] matmatmat: 2h ago
[04:24:17] Beirdo: heh
[04:24:19] matmatmat: wow
[04:24:25] matmatmat: i should check more often
[04:24:26] matmatmat: :}
[04:24:37] Beirdo: or yeah, send to tralph more to the point...
[04:24:38] Beirdo: heh
[04:24:38] kormoc: I accept paypal
[04:24:49] kormoc: also cash and checks
[04:24:49] Beirdo: Thank yous are usually cool :)
[04:24:50] Beirdo: hehe
[04:24:54] Beirdo: and beer
[04:24:59] matmatmat: does paypal accept cookies?
[04:25:11] kormoc: paypal actually gives out cookies when you login
[04:25:13] Beirdo: as long as the beer ain't got too much hops... if it does, I'll take it
[04:25:20] kormoc: http://xkcd.com/722/
[04:25:30] matmatmat: someone should invent beerpal
[04:26:01] iamlindoro: nobody ever bribes me for my commits
[04:26:03] iamlindoro: not even beer
[04:26:17] iamlindoro: Nobody's allowed to use my code any more until I get mine
[04:26:32] ** wagnerrp makes sure to ship a beer to iamlindoro **
[04:26:51] wagnerrp: its cool, the unheated cargo hold at high altitudes will keep it chilled
[04:27:08] iamlindoro: that'll do
[04:28:06] Beirdo: heheheh
[04:28:10] Beirdo: kaBLAM
[04:28:27] Beirdo: the carbonation may well cause exploded can/bottle
[04:28:42] iamlindoro: Why is everyone on the users list so craptarded?
[04:28:54] Beirdo: It's a requirement?
[04:28:55] iamlindoro: Muhhhh, can VLC *really* be SOLD????
[04:29:01] matmatmat: i have sucessfully transported beer by plane
[04:29:05] iamlindoro: !trout users list users
[04:29:05] ** MythLogBot slaps users with a list users trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **
[04:29:05] matmatmat: was not a problem
[04:29:25] Beirdo: matmatmat: in the cabin or in cargo?
[04:29:29] matmatmat: cargo
[04:29:34] wagnerrp: Beirdo: yeah, you could put a glass bottle full a beer in a vacuum chamber to no ill effect
[04:29:43] Beirdo: cool
[04:29:51] Beirdo: wagnerrp: you hope :)
[04:29:59] Beirdo: unless the bottle is flawed
[04:30:00] matmatmat: even champagne or so is ok
[04:30:17] matmatmat: what is not ok is throwing it around, like the cargo workers do
[04:30:18] wagnerrp: no, flaws wouldnt matter
[04:30:46] wagnerrp: those things are rated for well over 100psi
[04:30:58] wagnerrp: an extra 14 from an external vacuum wouldnt make much difference
[04:31:16] Beirdo: the bottles are, or the caps are?
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[04:31:19] kormoc: wagnerrp: tell that to all the bottles xris has exploded :)
[04:31:26] Beirdo: heheeh
[04:31:28] Beirdo: that too
[04:31:36] Beirdo: bottle grenades
[04:35:28] wagnerrp: thats not to say you cant easily generate sufficient internal pressure to blow up one of those bottles
[04:35:43] wagnerrp: just that the mere act of removing external pressure wouldnt do it
[04:35:44] Beirdo: and turbulence... shaky shaky :)
[04:36:18] Beirdo: but having the pressure differential can just be a contributing factor, I guess, but you have a good point
[04:36:23] Beirdo: likely not the deciding factor
[04:36:30] wagnerrp: so, no more xkcdsh...
[04:36:49] kormoc: wagnerrp: there's a link at the top to turn it back on
[04:47:32] wagnerrp: the only problem is there is no scroll
[04:47:39] wagnerrp: so long comics can be problematic
[04:47:59] kormoc: yeah
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[04:49:39] Beirdo: yeah there is
[04:49:42] Beirdo: pgup
[04:50:04] Beirdo: crappy scroll, but better than nothing :)
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[05:14:01] oobe: sphery, i tested that patch today works well thanks
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[05:24:35] sphery: oobe: great, thanks for the feedback... hoping to get some tests on many and varied system configurations
[05:26:16] wagnerrp: i wouldnt trust what he says
[05:26:19] wagnerrp: he looks like trouble
[05:27:08] oobe: only reason i get in trouble is i dont lie
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[05:27:19] sphery: oobe: out of curiosity, you probably saw a message, "Requesting delete for file ...". You didn't see one, "Deleting file ...", right (the fallback to local "fast" delete).
[05:30:19] oobe: oh it was a refererence to my email wagnerrp
[05:30:30] oobe: oobe was unavailble too short
[05:30:31] wagnerrp: yes
[05:31:17] oobe: sphery, i havent looked at my logs yet just in mythweb which is where i first noticed the issue
[05:31:33] sphery: ok... just wondering
[05:35:52] oobe: 2010-04–02 14:35:39.514 Requesting delete for file 'myth://Default@192.168.1.10:6543/1010_20100401234100.nuv.old'.
[05:36:00] sphery: cool
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[05:49:36] matmatmat: i'm really satisfied about mythtv today
[05:49:45] matmatmat: happy actually ,)
[05:56:13] Beirdo: la la la
[05:56:34] Beirdo: now have (incomplete) bootloader code... building to ELF and binary
[05:56:34] Beirdo: hehe
[05:56:43] Beirdo: gnu ld can be SUCH a pain
[05:57:21] matmatmat: damnit, not happy anymore
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[06:11:25] wagnerrp: i really wish people would stop pasting version printouts to trac tickets
[06:12:02] Beirdo: unless asked to, of course :)
[06:12:17] wagnerrp: i try to search for things i can fix (or more likely am the cause of), and get nothing but 'using_bindings_python'
[06:12:49] wagnerrp: Beirdo: that is absolutely one of the huge advantages of ubuntu's trac system
[06:13:07] Beirdo: yeah
[06:13:15] wagnerrp: all that stuff is available, but the linux application they have to post them does it as attached files
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[06:14:33] wagnerrp: im half considering going through and doing that for any currently open tickets
[06:15:09] Beirdo: have fun :)
[06:15:09] wagnerrp: superdump: what is it you guys use for the automated bug tickets?
[06:15:28] superdump: hmm?
[06:15:40] ** Beirdo is fighting with avr-as trying to define a macro **
[06:15:53] superdump: automated bug tickets?
[06:15:55] wagnerrp: is there some sort of linux application you use to post bug tickets?
[06:16:14] wagnerrp: or are your users just kind enough to paste things like 'mythbackend --version' as an attached file
[06:16:33] superdump: bug tickets where?
[06:16:42] superdump: i'm an ffmpeg/gst dev
[06:16:54] wagnerrp: bah.... was thinking of superml
[06:16:56] wagnerrp: sorry
[06:17:00] superdump: in ffmpeg we use roundup and i don't think it's very good
[06:17:05] superdump: in gst we use bugzilla
[06:17:11] superdump: and that's much better imo
[06:18:02] superdump: maybe something like apport would be interesting? though it's distro specific
[06:18:04] ** superdump shrugs **
[06:18:06] superdump: :)
[06:18:09] Beirdo: ubuntu uses launchpad, but I'm not sure if there's a client side applet
[06:18:23] Beirdo: haven't really paid attention
[06:18:34] superdump: apport i believe
[06:18:39] superdump: and fedora has abr
[06:18:53] wagnerrp: theres got to be, far too often when i look at their tickets is there a slew of identical attached files
[06:19:28] wagnerrp: either there has to be some sort of wizard with instructions on each new ticket
[06:19:29] superdump: apport reports can get quite large (think 100s of MB)
[06:19:40] wagnerrp: or theyve got some application doing it
[06:20:33] wagnerrp: superdump: basically, right before you got here, i was complaining about searches for python bugs just returning a list of people who have pasted their version string to a ticket
[06:22:59] superdump: when apport submits a bug report to launchpad (ubuntu), it presents a suggested bug title
[06:23:16] superdump: which is something like "firefox crashed with SIGSEGV in func()"
[06:23:31] superdump: you accept it and it searches the existing bugs
[06:23:54] superdump: if one matches yours, you can add yourself to the list of people affected by the bug
[06:24:02] superdump: i guess in that case it pastes your packages version
[06:24:05] superdump: -s
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[06:24:41] wagnerrp: maybe i should just clarify the 'Please include all output in bug reports.'
[06:25:06] superdump: you can probably request data from ubuntu if you like
[06:25:39] superdump: but i would think that at least one full report should be present
[06:25:39] wagnerrp: well i could just pop into #ubuntu-mythtv-dev and ask them directly
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[06:26:06] wagnerrp: i mean just change it to say 'attach as a file'
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[10:08:03] AndyCap: Heh, lwn is looking at element this week
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[10:17:00] artus37: Moin moin
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[10:51:47] Dassu: lvm
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[12:31:48] Digdilem: Hello. Adding a dvb-S nova card and after following a howto at http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_freesat.php, mythtv-setup crashes out during the initial channel scan with this in kern.log – any pointers? mythtv-setup.re[9962]: segfault at 34 ip 00eb5e52 sp b18c1900 error 4 in libmythtv-0.22.so.0.22.0[7e7000+a6c000]
[12:32:40] Digdilem: been running fine with a couple of dvb-t cards up until now
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[12:48:13] justinh: at last! VLC will finally be able to play my .rm dvd rips properly! :D
[12:48:36] justinh: silly -users list guy thinking that was real. LOL
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[13:07:50] oobe: why the hell would someone deliberatly use rm to make dvdrips
[13:08:30] justinh: I was kidding, kinda like VLC were yesterday
[13:08:50] justinh: "VLC acquired by Real Networks"
[13:10:51] justinh: I preferred cesman's April 1 news item last year. This year he says he's decided to fork the linux kernel & mythtv
[13:13:38] gbee: Digdilem: mythtv-setup --version
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[13:23:52] bjd: anyone happen to have a p5e-vm hdmi motherboard?
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[13:24:52] bjd: i've got a nvidia card that has an hdmi output and i'm wondering if i can simply plug from the spdif headers on the board to the nvidia card
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[13:48:41] AndyCap: Heh, they should have named it "gold" "a new VLC media player Pro application,"
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[14:28:01] MartinJT: any experts on jamu here?
[14:28:19] MartinJT: can't seem to get it to update some episodes...
[14:29:04] RDV_Linux: MartinJT: Expertise is overrated. What is your issue. I need more than that to try to help.
[14:30:17] RDV_Linux: MartinJT: An example of a file name would allow me to try locally. Also you could check TVDB to make sure that the specific episode exists there.
[14:31:02] MartinJT: House.S02E01.avi
[14:31:13] MartinJT: tvdb.com has it...
[14:31:33] MartinJT: it's a dvdrip from my collection, is the filename ok?
[14:31:40] MartinJT: I can change it if needed...
[14:31:49] RDV_Linux: MartinJT: You can also try MythVideo "w" option to see if it gets the episode. Jamu emulates MythVideo but in batch mode. I will try you example locally. Be back in a few.
[14:32:15] MartinJT: thanks...
[14:32:42] MartinJT: watching something at the moment, but will try when it finishes...
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[14:33:12] MartinJT: i think i've changed something in the jamu conf that messed it up though...
[14:33:27] MartinJT: the with_ep_name and without_ep_name
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[14:34:24] MartinJT: trying to make it so that it ignores any text after the S02E01 bit so I can add some extra text to record what the best encoding type is..
[14:34:38] MartinJT: and I think that messed it up...
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[14:37:03] RDV_Linux: MartinJT: I tried "./jamu -MGF" on the file and it found the episode downloaded images and even renamed the file to "House – S02E01 – Acceptance.avi", I do not see any problem and I do not have any special jamu,conf file entry for House.
[14:38:30] RDV_Linux: MartinJT: I also do not have any special regex strings in my jamu.conf file. The standard regex strings will parse that file name correctly.
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[14:46:34] MartinJT: this is the 2 entries i have in jamu
[14:48:35] MartinJT: with_ep_name: %%(series)s – S%%(seasonnumber)02dE%%(episodenumber)02d – %%(episodename)s.%%(ext)s
[14:49:01] MartinJT: without_ep_name: %%(series)s – S%%(seasonnumber)02dE%%(episodenumber)02d.%%(ext)s
[14:49:25] MartinJT: if they're wrong... could you point me in the direction of the defaults
[14:49:28] MartinJT: please...
[14:51:45] RDV_Linux: Maliuta: The defaults are in "/usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/jamu-example.conf". Your location for "jamu-example.conf" may be slightly different.
[14:52:21] RDV_Linux: MartinJT: oops ^^^ was meant for you
[14:52:38] highzeth: afternoon =)
[14:53:59] RDV_Linux: MartinJT: I do not think that those settings are you issue. You could backup your current jamu.conf file and the copy and rename the "jamu-example.conf" to see if the settings were messed up.
[14:54:57] cesman: justinh: thanks
[14:55:21] cesman: justinh: I'm still getting bites from the one a few years ago when I said I was going to work for MS
[14:55:44] MartinJT: RDV_Linux, I'm assuming -MGF allows for renaming and specifying a specific file?
[14:55:44] gbee: cesman: you didn't go to work for MS?!
[14:56:23] cesman: lol
[14:56:25] cesman: no
[14:56:42] cesman: gbee: I had that as an April Fools joke several years back
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[14:56:58] gbee: cesman: yeah, I know, just playing along ;)
[14:57:03] cesman: lol
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[15:01:17] RDV_Linux: MartinJT: Yes the real format is "./jamu -MGF '/target directory/filename.avi' '/destination directory'" (-G is guess the TV series) and (-F is rename the file after the move). You can "move" the file in place. The destination is also the target.
[15:02:21] iamlindoro: !seen wseltzer
[15:02:21] MythLogBot: wseltzer was last seen 34 days 10 hours 38 minutes 31 seconds ago
[15:02:39] gbee: iamlindoro: heh, I forgot about !seen
[15:02:57] iamlindoro: :)
[15:05:31] iamlindoro: !seen superdump
[15:05:31] MythLogBot: superdump is here and has been idle for 8 hours 39 minutes 52 seconds
[15:06:04] superdump: yo
[15:06:05] iamlindoro: superdump: ping, do you guys have contacts at the EFF/etc. re: patent/licensing legal issues?
[15:06:15] superdump: EFF?
[15:06:24] superdump: ffmpeg is working with the SFLC
[15:06:59] iamlindoro: Electronic Frontier Foundation
[15:12:42] gbee: shame it's not still 1st April
[15:14:39] sid3windr: april fools... can last all of april :>
[15:16:21] gbee: and this ladies and gentlemen is why there are no windows/osx/linux binaries available for download on mythtv.org
[15:16:40] iamlindoro: Which may turn out to have been a prescient decision
[15:16:55] sid3windr: this=?
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[15:21:11] i_is_cat: what do i need to do to get mythlcdserver to work with my vfd? the lcdproc program is working fine byt the mythlcdserver just doesnt connect
[15:21:26] gbee: a big stick
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[15:21:58] gbee: sid3windr: patent holders have finally made a move against MythTV
[15:22:06] sid3windr: gbee: ouch, seriously? :[
[15:22:13] sid3windr: against myth itself or against ffmpeg or so?
[15:22:17] gbee: myth
[15:22:19] sid3windr: ouch
[15:22:35] sid3windr: you have a url I can read or is it on a mailing list? (if so I'll look up the archives)
[15:23:07] gbee: it's being handled internally for now, until we've got legal advice etc
[15:25:00] janneg: gbee: I don't think the availability of binaries really makes a difference
[15:26:54] bjd: ouch
[15:28:31] gbee: janneg: it may not in the end, but the perception across several projects is that binaries make it easier for patent holders to persue legal action somehow, maybe it's just a misnomer
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[15:37:16] iamlindoro: gbee: heh
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[15:40:44] rek: i can't see the tv
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[15:41:07] iamlindoro: rek: need much, much, much more information...
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[15:41:18] iamlindoro: bye!
[15:41:20] sid3windr: gbee: ok – sucks either way
[15:41:42] sid3windr: so the guy patenting the "tv listing view" got to you...
[15:41:43] wagnerrp: for shame
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[15:41:53] sid3windr: or the patent guy "we record stuff from tv" ..
[15:41:56] wagnerrp: youre just supposed to divine that information
[15:41:59] rek: connexant card
[15:42:03] sid3windr: or "using remote control to decide what to record"
[15:42:07] sid3windr: or "rightclicking on a webinterface"
[15:42:09] sid3windr: ... :P
[15:42:15] wagnerrp: conexant doesnt make cards
[15:42:16] sid3windr: *******g patents
[15:42:26] rek: cx88xx
[15:42:32] sid3windr: makes chips :)
[15:42:36] wagnerrp: still just a chip
[15:42:38] wagnerrp: what card?
[15:43:40] rek: copied xc3028-v27.fw into /lib/firmware to see something... (now i can see something with xawtv for example) but no audio
[15:43:55] i_is_cat: wooo got my lcd working not sure if it was the settings in lcdd.conf or if it was the hostname in the sql database as i changed both at the same time and it works now
[15:44:26] rek: 02:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05)
[15:45:58] rek: will i feel better if i find another girlfriend? she found another guy
[15:48:01] wagnerrp: rek: what card do you have?
[15:48:17] rek: i wrote the output of lspci...
[15:48:32] rek: it's a lifeview.. dvb-t
[15:48:52] wagnerrp: are you trying to get digital or analog working?
[15:50:39] wagnerrp: your current problems are from trying to do analog, but are you actually intending to do only analog?
[15:51:18] rek: [ 10.207601] cx88[0]: subsystem: 14f1:8852, board: Geniatech X8000-MT DVBT [card=63,autodetected], frontend(s): 1
[15:51:30] rek: but there are too many names of this card
[15:51:35] rek: both
[15:51:55] rek: i saw only analog with xawtv or zapping
[15:52:38] wagnerrp: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards#LifeView for getting the digital side of that card working
[15:53:15] wagnerrp: for getting the analog side working, youre better off not trying, and just trying to find an old PVR-150 or 500 for sale
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[15:55:10] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: it's worth noting that the link you provided are all for sa713x cards, and he has a cx88.
[15:55:10] rek: FlyDVB-T Hybrid but the output of lspci is different
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[15:55:44] devinheitmueller: rek: Did that card *really* autodetect as card 63, or did you add "card=63" to the modprobe parameters?
[15:56:24] wagnerrp: i thought cx88 was an analog chipset
[15:56:42] devinheitmueller: Also, if you're having issues with analog audio, you probably need to run sox/aplay, since most of the applications don't properly handle ALSA audio devices.
[15:57:01] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: the cx88 is a driver for the cx23882/cx23883 chipset, which has both analog and digital support.
[15:57:18] devinheitmueller: (for example, the Pinnacle 800i uses the cx23883 and is a hybrid card ATSC/analog tuner)
[15:57:26] rek: has been autodetected, the only thing i did manually was adding a file in /lib/firmware so i was able to see some tv in xawtv or zapping
[15:57:31] devinheitmueller: ok.
[15:57:37] devinheitmueller: Yeah, xawtv won't give you audio by default.
[15:57:49] devinheitmueller: None of those analog applications know how to read ALSA audio devices.
[15:57:59] rek: kaffeine can't even scan for channels
[15:58:01] devinheitmueller: You will need to run arecord/aplay.
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[15:58:09] rek: i'll do it
[15:58:30] devinheitmueller: rek: Kaffeine is for digital only. It doesn't support analog. You probably don't have the DVB-T configured properly.
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[15:58:45] rek: how can i fix that
[15:59:06] MartinJT: RDV_Linux, I've tried "w" and it's not working either... looked in the DB, and it appears that it's not added the season and episode, so they're both 0... could that be the problem?
[15:59:32] iamlindoro: MartinJT: when did you add this file to myth?
[15:59:50] devinheitmueller: rek: are you running the current v4l-dvb tree?
[15:59:57] rek: arecord prints a lot of ??? in the terminal
[16:00:08] rek: what do you mean?
[16:00:09] MartinJT: iamlindoro, yesterday...
[16:00:09] wagnerrp: the season/episode parsing is only done on new videos, scanned in 0.22 or later
[16:00:13] devinheitmueller: rek: you need to pipe the output of arecord to aplay.
[16:00:16] wagnerrp: pre-existing content does not get scanned
[16:00:21] devinheitmueller: rek: what kernel are you running?
[16:00:34] iamlindoro: MartinJT: Then I don't think you're being entirely honest about the filename
[16:00:45] MartinJT: i am... this time...
[16:00:47] devinheitmueller: rek: there were fixes recently to that driver, which fixed problem with dvb working with that particular card.
[16:00:54] MartinJT: i've learnt my lesson...
[16:01:00] MartinJT: this is my own dvd...
[16:01:01] iamlindoro: Where "this time" the filename is...?
[16:01:04] sid3windr: lolol
[16:01:11] wagnerrp: MartinJT: see http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing for formats mythvideo supports
[16:01:39] rek: 2.6.31-20-generic-pae
[16:01:54] rek: you're so expert
[16:02:06] MartinJT: db says the file is TV/House/House.S02.DVD/House.S02E01.avi
[16:02:13] devinheitmueller: rek: you should install the current v4l-dvb tree. See instructions at http://linuxtv.org/repo
[16:02:25] rek: i'll do it
[16:02:50] iamlindoro: MartinJT: That is not a valid directory+filename format
[16:03:02] MartinJT: ahhh... is it the "."
[16:03:03] iamlindoro: You need to switch to a naming scheme supported in wagnerrp's link above
[16:03:09] iamlindoro: no, it's not the .
[16:03:10] MartinJT: kk
[16:03:12] wagnerrp: periods are fine
[16:03:17] wagnerrp: its the season folder name
[16:03:21] MartinJT: will have a look...
[16:03:29] devinheitmueller: rek: for the audio, you can probably run something like the following and start to get audio: arecord -D hw:1,0 -r 32000 -c 2 -f S16_LE | aplay -
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[16:04:14] rek: i'm here http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb
[16:04:44] rek: how do you know that devinheitmueller  ?
[16:04:46] devinheitmueller: rek: you need to follow the instructions on http://linuxtv.org/repo to *install* the tree at http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb
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[16:05:19] devinheitmueller: rek: what do you mean, "how do I know that"? Do you mean about the dvb-t problem with that card? Because I was the one who fixed it.
[16:05:53] rek: ...both.. especially about the command..
[16:06:07] devinheitmueller: rek: because I do driver development on a bunch of those cards.
[16:06:17] iamlindoro: and "experience"
[16:06:21] iamlindoro: and "reading"
[16:06:29] rek: you are the king
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[16:07:58] devinheitmueller: Hmm... The fixes for that card might actually already be in 2.6.31. They were committed on 8/6/09, and 2.6.31 was released on 9/10/09.
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[16:08:21] ** devinheitmueller checks the final kernel.org changelog... **
[16:09:19] devinheitmueller: lunch. bbiab.
[16:10:45] wagnerrp: so it seems the Via crowd (with no opengl capacity) is upgrading to Atoms (with no opengl capacity)
[16:11:10] rek: installing
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[16:13:39] iamlindoro: That's our users, always struggling to the next near-obsolete choice
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[16:14:23] wagnerrp: and theyre using the even further stripped mobile versions
[16:14:39] wagnerrp: with no x64 support, and less performance than the desktop atoms
[16:15:49] rek: i got a lot of errors....
[16:17:30] rek: arecord: pcm_read:1617: errore di lettura: Errore di I/O
[16:18:02] iamlindoro: ah localized error messages
[16:18:16] AndyCap: iamlindoro: the ones with money have tivo or MCE? :P
[16:18:24] iamlindoro: !trout arecord_authors troubleshooting fail
[16:18:24] ** MythLogBot slaps arecord_authors with a troubleshooting fail trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **
[16:18:51] AndyCap: or is there a sonos equivalent for video?
[16:19:02] iamlindoro: Kaleidescape
[16:19:04] rek: devinheitmueller, there are some erroes
[16:20:15] AndyCap: heh, now there's a tiny frontend. http://www.kaleidescape.com/images/player-1080p-mini-03.jpg
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[16:21:44] wagnerrp: i thought they got sued out of business
[16:23:35] AndyCap: wagnerrp: doesn't look like it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaleidescape#Fair_Use
[16:24:07] wagnerrp: like six or seven years ago, there was some big furor over them producing a network-attached dvd jukebox with a hard drive cache
[16:24:21] AndyCap: but having gone on from 2004 until august 2009 they're probably not done with that case.
[16:24:26] wagnerrp: it would hold some 2–300 dvds, and would rip them to hard drive
[16:24:41] wagnerrp: which it would then stream to any attached frontend
[16:24:53] wagnerrp: but would only function so long as that dvd remained in the system
[16:26:10] rek: help
[16:26:24] wagnerrp: any sane person could see this was a perfectly legitimate use, which even took measures to prevent misuse
[16:26:34] wagnerrp: nevermind the fact that the systems were tens of thousands of dollars
[16:26:53] wagnerrp: and anyone purchasing one was certainly paying a LOT of money for their collections
[16:27:06] wagnerrp: but no... we must screw the people who fill our coffers
[16:27:06] mag0o: /s/their/THEIR/
[16:27:42] mag0o: one too many slashes there
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[16:29:22] rek: i cannot compile them help
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[16:36:11] rek: anyone can help?
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[16:36:49] iamlindoro: rek: You are just shouting for help, you need to be pastebinning errors and giving detailed explanations of problems
[16:36:58] rek: ok
[16:37:00] iamlindoro: nobody can help you if it's like a dental procedure
[16:37:07] justinh: there are atoms without 3d hardware? wth is the point?
[16:37:53] justinh: iamlindoro: s/can/will/ ;-)
[16:38:26] rek: http://pastebin.com/50FX6MC5
[16:39:16] sid3windr: justinh: works fine on windows.. :p
[16:39:20] sid3windr: just not on linux
[16:39:24] sid3windr: (gma500)
[16:39:26] justinh: rek: looks like you need #linuxtv
[16:39:27] highzeth: and so it begins, easters biggest bw "waste".. http://stats.tg10.gathering.org/mrtg/89.22.253.0_13.html http://stats.tg10.gathering.org
[16:39:38] sid3windr: gathering \o/
[16:39:40] rek: why
[16:39:42] highzeth: LOL
[16:40:00] highzeth: sid3windr: been at TG?
[16:40:07] sid3windr: no
[16:40:12] sid3windr: wish I could get there once
[16:40:14] sid3windr: but not an option atm :p
[16:40:18] justinh: rek: mostly that you're trying to build v4l-dvb stuff. not much to do with mythtv really
[16:40:40] sid3windr: wish I could get to assembly once before it stops being organized.. ;/
[16:41:00] sid3windr: which might already be too late
[16:41:12] rek: justinh, it's for my card
[16:41:28] justinh: rek: it generally is. doesn't change the fact you need the other channel really
[16:41:46] highzeth: never been there myself, was tempted one year to pack my C64 and see if there were any old timers around
[16:41:54] rek: k
[16:43:14] MartinJT: In jamu... can I force it to update the episodename of a file that has a file format that includes information after the S02E01 bit???
[16:43:49] brianmunk: rek: I dont know for sure but line 242, says you got files missing
[16:44:10] RDV_Linux: MartinJT: Are you referring to the episode name in the MythTV data base or the filename itself?
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[16:45:03] brianmunk: do you have complete source? and have you considered downloading full kernel before you compile to aviod problems+
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[16:45:58] wagnerrp: justinh: all of the non-ION atoms have the standard (very anemic) intel 3d core
[16:47:02] MartinJT: RDV_Linux, what I want is the filename in the mythtv database to be updated with the filename from TVDB....
[16:47:31] MartinJT: sorrry... *filename = episodename
[16:48:03] sid3windr: highzeth: heh, wtf – 9Gbps traffic = 10% bandwidth, between north and south? :p
[16:48:04] wagnerrp: MartinJT: if you have a season/episode number, that should happen automatically
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[16:49:38] RDV_Linux: MartinJT: Try in MythVideo the "w" option again. As wagnerrp wrote if the season and episode numbers are correct MythVideo will fix the episode name.
[16:49:49] highzeth: sid3windr: they got 10Gbit/s links to the 2 core switches, between the core switches there are 36x 10Gbit/s links
[16:50:09] sid3windr: ok
[16:50:13] sid3windr: that's madness
[16:50:13] sid3windr: :p
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[16:50:17] wagnerrp: that is a monsterous amount of bandwidth
[16:50:27] highzeth: 8500x 1Gbit/s links from there on out to the tables. About 5500 geeks this year
[16:50:28] iamlindoro: Jamu and Mythvideo are both fine with information after the season/episode information-- there's no need for custom handling of anything
[16:50:50] highzeth: wagnerrp: yep, they got a decent BW upgrade this year =)
[16:50:51] wagnerrp: what are 5500 geeks going to be doing with that much bandwidth
[16:51:06] wagnerrp: theyre all out in the open, so no one will want to download porn
[16:51:11] highzeth: The Core switch is a Cisco CRS-1
[16:51:13] AndyCap: wagnerrp: bzzt
[16:51:14] justinh: heh right
[16:51:48] RDV_Linux: MartinJT: You can also try '/jamu -MGF "/target dir/XXXX.avi" "/target dir"' which will get Jamu to update that file and it's MythVideo data base info if any is missing.
[16:52:46] RDV_Linux: MartinJT: Last but not least you can use MythVideo to clear out the metadata for that one file and then hit "w" to get the data back.
[16:53:32] sid3windr: wagnerrp: you can surely download porn.. :>
[16:53:39] sid3windr: don't have to watch it streaming.. ;)
[16:53:54] highzeth: I guess the ping times *do* matter in CS? *shrugs*
[16:54:24] MartinJT: RDV_Linux, "w" will find the episode name... just seems that the jamu batch processing doesn't... maybe it's because there is an episode name in there? and it won't actually update it if there's one there?
[16:55:56] RDV_Linux: MartinJT: Jamu tries not to update any videometadata record that already has all its data so that it makes lower impact on TVDB and TMDB.
[16:56:23] MartinJT: that makes sense...
[16:56:58] MartinJT: is there a way to force it to do it? so I could get it to do it once a month or something via cron?
[16:57:31] wagnerrp: MartinJT: several distros are set up that way automatically now
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[16:58:09] MartinJT: to do a full update?
[16:58:41] Ryushin: I've been looking, but I haven't been able to find a way to add pandora to myth? Is there some method that isn't well known?
[16:58:55] wagnerrp: Ryushin: nope
[16:58:56] sid3windr: pandora still exists?
[16:59:06] AndyCap: wagnerrp: maybe you can spot someone? though the webcam placement is well, sub-optimal http://webcam-img.tg10.gathering.org/webcam.pl
[16:59:27] sid3windr: lol
[16:59:29] sid3windr: who put that there
[16:59:38] Ryushin: Okay, then the browser it is.
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[17:00:00] wagnerrp: meh, you can only see three monitors
[17:00:10] wagnerrp: the rest are all too bright and are saturating the camera
[17:00:33] RDV_Linux: MartinJT: The only way Jamu will update a Videos metadata is if something is missing. If there is no metadata missing to move to the next video. Again this is a measure to reduce impact on the free metadata resources. Jamu works well in a cronjob and is the way I use it for maintenance. See the wiki.
[17:01:03] sid3windr: wagnerrp: it's a trick! you put infrared leds on the monitor and the ir cams go blind :D
[17:01:04] RDV_Linux: s/missing to move to/missing it moves to/
[17:01:18] sid3windr: been thinking about putting those on my car triggered by speed signal :>
[17:03:40] brianmunk: does anyone know if mythtv-backend support sending udp-join/leave igmp packets, when streaming data from udp sources and if someone got this working?
[17:04:22] highzeth: AndyCap: seems the video stream is down atm, TRD link fubar perhaps heh
[17:08:24] MartinJT: RDV_Linux, different approach then... is there a way to stop Myth from parsing the filename and adding the information as the episodename?
[17:10:29] RDV_Linux: MartinJT: Just use the "w" on that video. All the display it telling you is that the "interef" number has not been set and therefore the metadata (including episode name) has not been updated yet.
[17:11:17] RDV_Linux: MartinJT: If that does not work then you need to change the video file name to a name that can be parsed by MythVideo and Jamu.
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[17:15:10] MartinJT: RDV_Linux, but how has it got all the banners etc. if the inetref has not been set?
[17:17:06] RDV_Linux: MartinJT: I do not know. Clear the metadata on that one using MythVideo and use "w" it is a good way to clear any crap away.
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[17:22:59] MartinJT: yeah that works... I can make it do everything properly using "w"... i'm just trying to make it so that if I pop a load of newly ripped stuff in the myth filepath (which is nfs'd from a different computer) I want jamu to update the episodename, which it won't do currently because of the fact that myth added it to the db with an ep name...
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[17:49:26] steve_a14: hello
[17:49:27] jst_: I'm using an XvMC playback profile on my Intel 945-based netbook. Whenever I hit "I" to see information, tracking, etc. during a HD program, it displays correctly, but it does not display anthing while watching a SD program. Any ideas?
[17:50:13] steve_a14: use the mythtv front end?
[17:50:26] kormoc: jst_: you picked a XvMC OSD display style while using a non XvMC output device for SD?
[17:51:21] steve_a14: is the fill adjusted to it zooms in and crops off the letter box?
[17:51:49] ** kormoc blinks at steve_a14 **
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[17:52:07] steve_a14: :)
[17:52:08] jst_: kormoc, XvMC is working.
[17:52:15] jst_: I'm not sure what you're asking me.
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[17:52:27] kormoc: jst_: are you using XvMC for SD content?
[17:52:34] jst_: Yes.
[17:52:57] kormoc: then my theory is incorrect
[17:53:17] kormoc: you'll need to check the frontend logs and see what it says
[17:53:37] sphery: jst_: likely your input connections are broken
[17:54:01] sphery: jst_: If so, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 will fix it--assuming, of course, that you properly connect inputs the 2nd time around
[17:54:43] sphery: jst_: if by "does not display anthing" you mean that there is an OSD but no title/subtitle/description info
[17:54:59] sphery: otherwise, it's what kormoc said--broken playback profiles
[17:55:16] sphery: (if there's absolutely nothing displayed--no OSD at all)
[17:55:24] jst_: Yes... video is displayed, but no OSD for SD content only... and only when using XvMC.
[17:56:30] jst_: Checking the frontend logs, one sec.
[17:58:04] jst_: VideoOutputXv: ProcessFrameXvMC: Called without frame
[17:58:15] jst_: VideoOutputXv: ProcessFrameXvMC: Tried to reuse frame but failed
[17:58:23] jst_: Let me google that right quick :)
[17:59:49] jst_: Yiikes
[17:59:58] iamlindoro: Luckily, we have a great solution to your problem in .24
[18:00:06] jst_: Really?
[18:00:13] sphery: get real hardware?
[18:00:20] wagnerrp: yeah, we remove XvMC
[18:00:24] jst_: hahahaha
[18:00:29] iamlindoro: XvMC code can't break if there's not XvMC code
[18:00:29] wagnerrp: it wont be giving you any more trouble
[18:00:29] steve_a14: just like the storage groups fix i was promised for mythvideo in 0.23
[18:00:42] iamlindoro: nobody promised anything
[18:00:43] wagnerrp: steve_a14: no, that required writing code
[18:00:53] wagnerrp: deleting is so much easier
[18:00:58] steve_a14: haha
[18:01:54] steve_a14: blu ray playback is one feature that would kick ass
[18:02:03] iamlindoro: Also, ponies?
[18:02:56] steve_a14: yes and ponies
[18:03:03] iamlindoro: when there's a BDMV parsing library that actually works, a decryption library that works, and a Java runtime to handle menus... then *maybe* it will be possible
[18:03:12] iamlindoro: But all three are probably years off
[18:03:23] iamlindoro: so probably better to shoot for the pony
[18:03:28] iamlindoro: since ponies actually exist
[18:03:33] gbee: and right now, probably not the best time to bring up the subject
[18:03:47] iamlindoro: indeed
[18:03:53] steve_a14: ??
[18:04:31] iamlindoro: legal threats from licensing bodies, ergo we have enough to keep us busy legally at the moment
[18:04:39] steve_a14: ok
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[18:11:30] brianmunk: what does Program #1 not found in PAT! mean, and can I fix it? I get a pointer saying rescan your transports, but under mythtv-setup all I can find is in the edit channels menu, and underthere I got mpeg & 0khz? (its udp stream, not a tv tuner)
[18:14:47] wagnerrp: brianmunk: it means that subchannel has moved locations in the stream, or to an entirely different multiplex
[18:14:50] wagnerrp: you need to rescan
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[18:17:22] brianmunk: wagnerrp: need to rescan channels, is there anything else that can be rescanned?
[18:17:40] wagnerrp: what do you mean?
[18:20:04] brianmunk: can anything else than channels be rescanned in the mythtv-setup? I know this might sound as a noob question, but I tried that more than 20 times :)
[18:20:49] jst_: What is lighter on resources? CPU-- or Slim?
[18:25:34] sphery: Use Slim
[18:25:43] sphery: CPU-- is bad choice generally
[18:25:52] sphery: though slim requires software decode
[18:26:10] sphery: where the bad choice comes from xvmc
[18:26:26] jst_: Okay, thanks.
[18:27:07] sphery: if slim works, you're much better off with it than with any of the CPU<whatever> ones
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[18:28:43] jst_: My 945GME can *ALMOST* do 1080p with slim. It can do it with XvMC.  :(
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[18:37:42] foxbuntu: iamlindoro, /j #wolfie
[18:37:45] foxbuntu: :)
[18:37:54] iamlindoro: ?
[18:37:57] iamlindoro: Whazzat?
[18:38:08] foxbuntu: iamlindoro, its a game
[18:38:12] foxbuntu: iamlindoro, a fun one too :)
[18:38:37] jams: don't do it, it's a trap
[18:38:43] jams: never trust a fox
[18:40:49] ** ThisOtherGuy trying out Trillian **
[18:41:47] ** brianmunk likes trillian, just not for irc **
[18:42:59] ** dustybin blinks fast **
[18:43:26] ThisOtherGuy: it's really hard to read with the blue gradiant background – there must be a way to change that
[18:44:02] gbee: Trillian is still around? Haven't seen that in years
[18:44:25] brianmunk: I change skin as the first thing
[18:44:30] iamlindoro: It's totally the best way to use your ICQ number!  ;)
[18:45:07] ThisOtherGuy: I'm looking for an IM/IRC client that doesn't suck – any suggestions?
[18:45:10] gbee: then again, I haven't used Windows in years, so that's maybe why
[18:45:33] brianmunk: lol could be it, gbee
[18:46:08] brianmunk: I try out icechat for irc atm, on my windows machine, I kinda like it
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[18:47:26] highzeth: ThisOtherGuy: pidgin suck?
[18:47:53] brianmunk: -i think he is running windows
[18:48:03] highzeth: so? pidgin is avail for wintendo
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[18:48:24] brianmunk: oh rly, I didnt know, I only use it in nix
[18:48:28] ThisOtherGuy: highzeth: yeah – I don't like pidgin it's pretty ugly and seems to lose connections all the time
[18:48:37] sid3windr: iamlindoro: no, that would be bitlbee :m)
[18:49:20] highzeth: ThisOtherGuy: ok, I run it 24/7, and not having connection issues
[18:49:37] highzeth: apart from when the wan goes down, heh
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[18:50:37] highzeth: brianmunk: me neither, but I know silly peeps running that OS using it ;)
[18:51:52] brianmunk: I hope to ditch windows soon, but I need to get myth running before I do, and I'm sad to say I'm close to giving up
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[18:52:04] iamlindoro: Last night's Fringe was good
[18:52:10] iamlindoro: show finally getting somewhere this season
[18:53:10] brianmunk: Im kinda close going mediaportal tho I dont want to, but I cant get the backend to recive that udp stream
[18:53:31] highzeth: brianmunk: I have one partition with XP on my DAW box, and thats only because some of my equipment aint supported in *nix. Im glad I rarely have to fire it up tho.
[18:54:17] highzeth: brianmunk: of, you got iptv sources?
[18:56:24] iamlindoro: Where IPTV = actual IPTV from your local TV provider, and not a stream from the internet
[18:56:27] brianmunk: yes, I can get the udp stream playing in vlc, with the ip-adresses 232.0.0.0:port, I made a m3u list that import good in myth 0.21
[18:56:48] brianmunk: its my ISP that provide the udp multicast
[18:56:59] highzeth: iamlindoro: ofc, are there confusions about that definition?
[18:57:04] iamlindoro: If it worked in .21 and doesn't now, that's a regression, you should file a bug with verbose backend logs
[18:57:12] iamlindoro: highzeth: all too often
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[18:57:30] highzeth: O'Really, good to know, when topic should occur
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[18:58:40] wagnerrp: jst_: 1080p what?
[18:58:54] brianmunk: in every version after 0.21 I tried the m3u-file wont import, instead of importing the channels, I get the scanning screen that just get stuck at 0%, which I understand as I dont have a tv tuner
[18:58:57] wagnerrp: a vertical resolution is a horrible thing to use for system peformance
[19:01:00] highzeth: brianmunk: never dealt with iptv sources, so cant help ya there, but follow iamlindoro's advice, verbose logging & file a bug. =)
[19:03:06] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: 'Smart' on the wiki needs a banning
[19:03:49] kormoc: wagnerrp: so you're saying he should get smart?
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[19:05:11] AndyCap: wagnerrp: testing replacetext.py? going to be doing something evil?
[19:05:43] wagnerrp: its a spammer, it doesnt matter what theyre planning
[19:06:32] wagnerrp: they deserve to be tossed in a sarlacc all the same
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[19:12:40] Beirdo: spam spam spam!
[19:13:04] Beirdo: so... wagnerrp... got the bootloader about half-written last night ;)
[19:13:11] kormoc: Mmm... Spam with spam on spamed spam
[19:13:15] Beirdo: err. this morning... went to bed at 5am
[19:13:32] Beirdo: heya, kormoc :)
[19:13:54] wagnerrp: boot loader?
[19:14:18] wagnerrp: http://www.virtualshakles.com/94
[19:15:25] wagnerrp: thanks gbee
[19:16:04] gbee: np
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[19:20:55] Beirdo: wagnerrp: yeah, boot loader for my usb IR thingy
[19:21:30] wagnerrp: i didnt realize such a embedded hardware device needed something like a bootloader
[19:21:44] Beirdo: it does if you want to be able to upgrade firmware :)
[19:21:56] wagnerrp: aww crap
[19:22:05] Beirdo: and the interrupt handlers got.... complicated
[19:22:06] Beirdo: heh
[19:22:09] wagnerrp: i copied over my old passwd from my previous install
[19:22:13] wagnerrp: and never installed tcsh
[19:22:16] wagnerrp: so i cannot login
[19:22:31] Beirdo: ummm, live cd time
[19:22:46] wagnerrp: nah... time to get busy... box...
[19:22:53] Beirdo: or that
[19:23:13] ** Beirdo continues coding... in Ubuntu under Virtualbox **
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[19:24:08] wagnerrp: i really need to stop using ctrl-d, and expecting it to reboot
[19:24:11] Beirdo: brianmunk: you have a brother named Chip?
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[19:24:28] wagnerrp: man, that kid is awesome
[19:24:41] wagnerrp: always scurrying around, looking for nuts
[19:24:54] Beirdo: yup.  :)
[19:27:22] dustybin: Beirdo: are you using C++ ?
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[19:27:53] Beirdo: dustybin: are you nuts? :)
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[19:27:58] Beirdo: assembly
[19:28:06] dustybin: Beirdo: jeeeze you clever sod
[19:28:07] Beirdo: the main firmware will be C
[19:28:15] wagnerrp: you dont write embedded stuff in high level languages
[19:28:15] Beirdo: the bootloader... hand assembly
[19:28:46] Beirdo: yeah, a bootloader in C++ for an embedded device would be somewhat crazy :)
[19:28:49] AndyCap: a bootloader without garbage collection and variant types?
[19:28:52] Beirdo: this thing has 8k FLASH
[19:28:57] dustybin: Beirdo: what assembler you using
[19:29:10] Beirdo: in that, I'll have a bootloader and two firmware images
[19:29:14] Beirdo: AVR
[19:29:17] wagnerrp: dustybin: doesnt really matter
[19:29:18] dustybin: aye ok
[19:29:27] wagnerrp: since all an assembler does it tokenize the code
[19:29:38] dustybin: in the C64 days, one could access the assembler using a SYS command
[19:29:40] Beirdo: yeah, some is more crappy than others though :)
[19:29:43] wagnerrp: little more than a string/replace
[19:30:02] Beirdo: assembly -> machine code is a real easy conversion
[19:30:07] dustybin: yep
[19:30:13] Beirdo: as it's a text version of the machine code
[19:30:26] dustybin: DATA 34,23,65,78,34,24,67
[19:30:44] wagnerrp: except 'data' would be just another hexadecimal command
[19:30:52] wagnerrp: rather than a string
[19:31:16] dustybin: is any of mythtv written in asm?
[19:31:30] wagnerrp: some of the ffmpeg stuff is
[19:31:34] Beirdo: maybe PARTS of ffmpeg
[19:31:39] dustybin: right ok
[19:31:55] Beirdo: anyways, assembly and I are great friends
[19:31:56] Beirdo: heh
[19:31:59] wagnerrp: theres quite a bit of hand optimized ASM in there
[19:32:04] dustybin: to learn asm, you need to understand how your CPU works inside out
[19:32:14] iamlindoro: oh christ, more words of wisdom
[19:32:18] iamlindoro: no, you don't.
[19:32:19] dustybin: eeek
[19:32:21] Beirdo: so I still need to code... writing FLASH, handling the UART, XMODEM and CRC16
[19:32:25] dustybin: hes back :-S
[19:32:28] ** dustybin hides **
[19:32:49] Beirdo: iamlindoro: it does help if you want GOOD ASM though :)
[19:32:53] ** iamlindoro re-registers mythtv.org to dustybin's address **
[19:32:55] iamlindoro: good luck
[19:32:57] AndyCap: Beirdo: scrapped zmodem? :)
[19:33:02] highzeth: think I have a avr dragon still somewhere
[19:33:07] Beirdo: AndyCap: too much code
[19:33:20] AndyCap: Beirdo: not much gain for 8K
[19:33:32] Beirdo: and for no good reason. USB should be a pretty solid pipe anyways
[19:34:03] Beirdo: fun times
[19:34:11] AndyCap: though i wish the simbolo buggers had zmodem or at least any working protocol in their scsi – sata boxes.
[19:34:41] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: sicking the dogs of litigation on him?
[19:34:46] iamlindoro: yup
[19:34:51] iamlindoro: well deserved
[19:34:56] Beirdo: anywho... I feel inspired... so I'm gonna go write more code
[19:34:57] iamlindoro: what with all the expertise
[19:35:16] Beirdo: eventually I'll be putting this whole project onto github
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[19:38:53] gbee: Beirdo: what project is this?
[19:41:35] Beirdo: gbee, designing a box with USB, 1 IR receiver (for LIRC) and 4 IR transmitters
[19:41:45] Beirdo: just for the heck of it :)
[19:42:00] Beirdo: I'm that kinda geek :)
[19:42:15] gbee: heh
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[19:43:18] Beirdo: and if I can make em cheaply enough (boards, especially), I'll likely sell em premade
[19:44:49] Beirdo: OK, time to assign GPIOs ;)
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[20:10:17] my007ms: any well known PCI video capture card with hardware (mpg4 or h.264) encoder ?
[20:10:18] justinh: aaaand my heap of vinyl has grown imperceptibly smaller once again
[20:10:51] justinh: my007ms: nope. only thing on the market currently able to record to h.264 worth considering is the hauppauhe hd-pvr
[20:10:59] justinh: *hauppauge even
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[20:11:55] dustybin: Dj justinh
[20:12:03] wagnerrp: avermedia has claimed be putting out a device like the HDPVR
[20:12:08] justinh: dustybin: get bent
[20:12:12] wagnerrp: and is supposed to have a PCIe version as well
[20:12:24] wagnerrp: however the current product they have on their website is a framegraber
[20:12:27] wagnerrp: no hardware encoder
[20:12:28] my007ms: justinh i have digital camera with HDMi output can i recored from it ?
[20:12:29] dustybin: dj getbent?
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[20:12:34] justinh: no you cannot
[20:12:38] wagnerrp: that depends
[20:12:47] wagnerrp: does your digital camera encrypt that output?
[20:13:02] my007ms: no
[20:13:05] justinh: or rather, no that's not a very good idea. surely taking the files the camera records into a computer directly would be a neater plan
[20:13:19] wagnerrp: you can buy a blackmagic HDMI capture card
[20:13:20] justinh: e.g. drop the memory card/device into your machine
[20:13:24] wagnerrp: but that will not work with mythtv
[20:13:37] wagnerrp: and justinh is right that there are likely much easier ways of transferring the content
[20:13:42] justinh: but mythtv isn't intended for transferring home video to another medium anyway
[20:13:45] jpabq_: my007ms: your camera does not have firewire?
[20:14:05] justinh: not many (if any) HD cameras even have firewire
[20:14:07] my007ms: jpabq it have but i was think HDMi much better i am n00b
[20:14:20] justinh: who wants to copy stuff real time when they could just drag & drop?!
[20:14:31] wagnerrp: firewire is a data transfer interface
[20:14:42] wagnerrp: while HDMI is a raw video interface
[20:14:42] justinh: it's already in a lossy format anyway
[20:14:58] wagnerrp: much better to just copy the already-compressed data from the camera
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[20:15:38] justinh: the days of having to capture media from cameras are long gone my friend
[20:15:41] justinh: thank G for that
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[20:15:56] my007ms: is there something like this http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html but in PCI
[20:16:01] my007ms: i don't need it USB
[20:16:04] justinh: no there isn't
[20:16:16] wagnerrp: like i said... avermedia has claimed that theyre developing one
[20:16:21] wagnerrp: but there is not yet any product for sale
[20:16:29] justinh: there *are* hdmi input devices but they're no use for mythtv
[20:16:51] wagnerrp: theyre all professional video editing products
[20:16:59] wagnerrp: that come with a professional level price tag
[20:17:12] wagnerrp: and only work with professional editing programs
[20:17:18] justinh: and besides as I've already said you're better off transferring the recorded *files* from the camera to your computer *directly*, say over a USB cable or by putting the storage medium (SD card or whatever) into a slot on your machine
[20:17:43] my007ms: justinh can i use this one with mythtv http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_sdi_capture_us.html
[20:17:52] justinh: NO
[20:18:17] justinh: and besides mythtv is not designed to grab footage from your camcorder. It is a TELEVISION DVR
[20:18:25] my007ms: justinh the problem i need it life
[20:18:27] justinh: there are easier & better ways to do that BY FAR
[20:18:58] my007ms: i need to record live video from my camera
[20:19:23] justinh: ah so you'd be needing a blackmagic HDMI input card. and good luck getting that baby to work in linux. And for the record you ain't gonna be able to encode that in real time to anything you'll have room for
[20:19:43] wagnerrp: justinh: it works fine in linux, but only using their custom protocol and software
[20:19:58] justinh: well anyway the files it produces are gonna be massive
[20:20:15] justinh: considering HDMI is what.. 5Gb/sec
[20:20:17] wagnerrp: yeah, youre looking at 375MB/s for 1080p video
[20:20:26] my007ms: so what about stream the camera output somehow direct to mythtv ?
[20:20:30] wagnerrp: plus whatever audio you have
[20:20:32] justinh: NO
[20:20:35] justinh: how many more times NO?
[20:21:05] ** wagnerrp suddenly remember a scene from History of the World **
[20:21:13] Beirdo: no means no?
[20:21:23] my007ms: i mean i will use blackmagic HDMI card in one machine and stream with VLC to mythtv
[20:21:58] justinh: you're not gonna be able to transcode HD on the fly to anything resembling what you captured – not in real time
[20:22:05] Beirdo: anyways... enjoy. I'm busily trying to make code :)
[20:22:19] Beirdo: justinh: maybe with a 20-core box and software that doesn't exist yet :)
[20:22:44] justinh: what is this anyway ... medical applications software developer prangs the community looking for solutions his boss wants week?
[20:22:48] wagnerrp: Beirdo: when the empress was 'sizing up' her troops
[20:23:05] kormoc: justinh: to be fair, he'll be getting raw video, so there's no decode step before encoding
[20:23:11] justinh: lol
[20:23:22] devinheitmueller: justinh: if it were, then they would have a large budget, and KernelLabs would be happy to help them out.
[20:23:33] justinh: devinheitmueller: you'd be surprised
[20:23:44] devinheitmueller: justinh: no, I really would not.
[20:23:48] devinheitmueller: ;-)
[20:23:49] justinh: had one in here the other day wanting me to do his flipping job for him
[20:24:19] justinh: though by the measure of things maybe he'd be better with a job involving flipping things. Like burgers
[20:24:46] Beirdo: heh
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[20:27:45] justinh: and to be honest, if I walked into an operating room or whatever & the doc wanted to examine me with a camera & I saw software which looked like mythtv I'd run away
[20:28:44] kormoc: I don't trust medical equipment that doesn't have animated fire backgrounds
[20:28:56] iamlindoro: It's visual communication
[20:29:09] wagnerrp: wait... why does it show my anus on fire?
[20:29:22] wagnerrp: that, sir, means you have cancer
[20:29:27] ** iamlindoro can't remember who was there for that conversation to remember the "It's visual communication" line **
[20:29:32] kormoc: :)
[20:30:14] justinh: hmmm we have a menu screen here.. 'watch patient's innards' is the 1st option... the 2nd option says "media library"..
[20:30:24] AndyCap: justinh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hokyVZlLTus
[20:31:00] justinh: lol
[20:31:51] justinh: having said all that, I think judging by the medical gear interfaces I've seen they could all stand to gain some user-friendliness
[20:33:17] justinh: I was frustrated at all the ultrasound scans my wife's had that you couldn't just pop a memory card in & grab some images onto it. But no, you have to buy tiny prints
[20:33:46] justinh: but then, they're probably running windows 3.1 underneath it all
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[20:42:05] sid3windr: lol@innards option
[20:42:44] dustybin: 'we buy any car .com ' and 'go compare go compare' are stuck in my head, somebody help me arghhh
[20:43:02] ** gbee puts dustybin out of his misery **
[20:43:17] ** iamlindoro gets the shovels **
[20:43:32] iamlindoro: off to the construction site we go
[20:44:17] iamlindoro: At last dustybin will have the foundation he was always lacking
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[20:44:26] dustybin: :(
[20:45:03] sid3windr: dustybin: 118 .. 247 ..
[20:45:07] sid3windr: does this help? :p
[20:45:12] dustybin: arghghghghghgh please
[20:45:24] ** kormoc volunteers to help iamlindoro **
[20:45:39] sid3windr: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z4BlpFk0lU
[20:45:52] sid3windr: it's directory heaven!
[20:46:24] iamlindoro: Awesome
[20:46:27] iamlindoro: I want a curry in a hurry
[20:47:05] sid3windr: weebl ftw
[20:47:33] iamlindoro: I'm troubled that the electrician was in the bath
[20:47:36] iamlindoro: danger!
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[20:48:56] sid3windr: there's an extended version that's not being aired too ;)
[20:49:31] sid3windr: with an extra magical trevor ;)
[20:49:55] k-man: i'm using the mythceter theme in .23, the 4:3 version. in the system status screen the text is slightly too far to the left of the background box for the text
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[20:50:56] gbee: well now is a fine time to learn how to fix that and submit a patch
[20:51:36] iamlindoro: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development
[20:51:38] ** iamlindoro helped! **
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[20:54:32] MartinJT: i know this probably the most commonly asked question, and I'm prepared for the abuse that may follow, but here goes...
[20:54:54] MartinJT: how far behind schedule is .23 predicted to be...
[20:55:10] kormoc: MartinJT: given RC2 was just pushed last night...
[20:55:17] kormoc: just a few days after rc1...
[20:56:08] MartinJT: fair enough...
[20:56:59] gbee: these things are best not rushed
[20:57:21] MartinJT: true... software tester by trade...
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[21:26:04] justinh: dustybin: we buy any car. dot com. we buy any car. dot com. any. any. any. any. we buy any car. dot com. Ad infinitum :D
[21:26:12] brianmunk: iamlindoro, ok I was about to write a bug on that m3u issue – channel scanning – with udp multicast when I read this, because I was about to refeer to it: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2152 – closed as invaild
[21:26:16] dustybin: arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[21:26:55] dustybin: justinh: *go* *compare* *go* *compare*
[21:27:00] iamlindoro: brianmunk: In that case it's a feature request (with) patch :)
[21:27:21] iamlindoro: brianmunk: But it gives you something to build on, that's good-- and little of the recorder code has changed, so if you can meet daniel's requests you could get it in
[21:27:29] justinh: dustybin: wth you doing watching adverts for anyway? you should be largely unaware of ads unless you listen to commercial radio
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[21:28:05] justinh: I love it when people come up to me & ask "have you seen that advert where.." and I just go "hahaha. Adverts?" lol
[21:28:07] dustybin: justinh: commercial skip doesnt work in UK
[21:28:15] justinh: so?
[21:28:26] dustybin: i could forward them i guess
[21:28:44] justinh: I have the right arrow button which skips 4 or 5 minutes according to playback group
[21:29:03] dustybin: good idea
[21:29:26] justinh: ITV1, C4 & Five are generally 4 minute breakers
[21:29:31] brianmunk: yeah, gotta rebrush those noobish c++ skills tho, I have dabbled abit in it but not much
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[21:30:40] iamlindoro: brianmunk: Since daniel is reworking backend setup, you could also ask him to re-evaluate the patch on the dev list, especially if you can get it applying/compiling with current trunk
[21:31:01] iamlindoro: Not making any promises for him, but he might be willing to take a detour into that code, you never know
[21:33:25] justinh: dustybin: anyway, as irritating as those ads are.. they are nothing like as bad as those ringtone ads we had to endure a few years ago :D
[21:33:53] justinh: ah crazy frog, we miss you much. Not
[21:34:03] dustybin: my god
[21:34:44] AndyCap: Der Besoffene Elch!
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[21:42:09] brianmunk: I hope you are right, but I know what you are saying, I'm certainly able to apply it to the newest rc and see how it works out. Reading the invaild ticket does not encurage that danielk would consider it tho. but there is always hope :)
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[21:43:10] brianmunk: anyway thanks for your input, iamlindoro
[21:43:41] iamlindoro: brianmunk: Being years-old, you will be in for some work getting it to apply
[21:43:51] iamlindoro: and you would want to get it applying to trunk, not any RC
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[21:48:25] justinh: hmm. I might start fiddling with some bindings for mythtv soon to see if I can cook up a neat little tweet based 'do a recording for me' feature
[21:48:43] justinh: anything but do what I need to finish
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[22:03:45] brianmunk: its 12K revisions ago
[22:05:45] k-man: gbee: where do i start looking to fix the theme?
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[22:49:54] nutron: There were plans to revamp the configuration system for the backend. Has this made it into .23? Or is it still planned?
[22:50:10] iamlindoro: still planned
[22:50:14] iamlindoro: though in progress
[22:50:19] iamlindoro: will not be in .23, or likely .24
[22:50:27] nutron: Ok, so someone _is_ working on it then.
[22:50:32] nutron: Good stuff.
[22:50:56] iamlindoro: yes, it's being worked on, and is basically two large projects down the queue
[22:51:04] iamlindoro: MythUI OSD, then backend configuration
[22:51:14] nutron: When a plugin is considered core, is there ownership over the codebase? ie. if I were to submit patches, to a plugin, then is there someone assigned to review the patches?
[22:51:18] iamlindoro: .24 and .25, respectively, most likely
[22:51:26] iamlindoro: depends on which plugin
[22:51:30] dustybin: so who won the mythtv theme competition?
[22:51:35] nutron: mythgame
[22:51:37] nutron: and music
[22:51:38] dustybin: oh
[22:51:38] iamlindoro: dustybin, Not yet announced
[22:51:43] dustybin: ok
[22:52:05] iamlindoro: MythGame has some ownership, MythMusic is being rewritten currently so the patches might be ignored
[22:52:13] iamlindoro: Depends on what you are hoping to do to MythGame, too
[22:52:22] TheAsp: mythmusic needs to be taken out back and shot
[22:52:43] iamlindoro: So do users who make grandiose statements without doing a damn thing to help
[22:52:49] TheAsp: :P
[22:52:53] bjd: heh
[22:53:00] nutron: game, mostly meta information with a helper script to autofill information
[22:53:01] dustybin: i noticed there is a new mythtv plugin in .23 for net videos
[22:53:03] TheAsp: Please, I tried to help back in single digit days ;)
[22:53:32] ** kormoc sighs **
[22:53:42] nutron: and music is again meta info and managemnet
[22:53:46] iamlindoro: nutron, That is a planned improvement with some pretty specific requirements (meaning it's definitely a good idea, but the plugin owner has some very specific desires for it and plans to do so himself)
[22:54:17] nutron: iamlindoro: fair enough, I won't waste my time then, and still continue compiling my db heh
[22:54:21] iamlindoro: nutron, Music metadata would probably be nice, you could post to the dev list with what you'd like to do and the dev doing the rewrite could guide you in the right direction
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[22:54:43] iamlindoro: I say that because I know the MythGame plans specifically, and the MythMuysic ones I'm unsure about-- help is always nice
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[22:55:45] nutron: iamlindoro: perfect, music needs much needed help and since I dabbled with useless code back in the xmms days I figure I could help a touch.
[22:56:22] nutron: well though, I don't have specifics, I will try to hash out an email describing my thoughts... though it'll just probably degenerate into a flamewar :P
[22:57:00] iamlindoro: nutron, the UI is being totally rewritten, as well as the probable addition of online sources... just don't know the plans for metadata, but if it's *not* in the plan and you wanted to help, it could probably easily become *part* of the plan
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[22:58:24] nutron: iamlindoro: well, with that said. Is there a document which details the plan?
[22:59:02] iamlindoro: nutron, not that I know of, though such a thing might be doable if you get a conversation started
[22:59:42] iamlindoro: We solicited ideas for the UI portion of the rewrite on the users list (against our better judgment) and just got 200 feature requests instead
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[23:00:36] iamlindoro: But now that Paul has actually begun work on it, he may be able to lay out his specific plans (and depending on his progress, maybe commits are coming soon)
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[23:01:54] nutron: Ok, I'll post a request for comments on the devel list then.
[23:07:06] dibbz: hm
[23:07:17] dibbz: my backends died the last 2 nights
[23:07:18] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: any idea what this Vianni Vidalis on -users has managed to do?
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[23:07:37] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, He's using the perl movie grabber
[23:07:39] iamlindoro: which is why that works
[23:07:40] wagnerrp: hes talking about perl dependencies for the python grabbers, somehow managing to run 'tmdb_apy.py'
[23:07:49] wagnerrp: got knows how he even pulled that one off
[23:08:00] iamlindoro: He's missing the python bindings, AFAICT
[23:08:08] iamlindoro: and FWIW, his directory structure is correct
[23:08:20] wagnerrp: correct for 0.22, not 0.23
[23:08:22] iamlindoro: TV scripts *are* in Television, Movie grabbers are in Movies
[23:08:27] iamlindoro: vice versa
[23:08:36] iamlindoro: correct for .23, not for .22
[23:08:49] iamlindoro: He's running .23, his directories are correct
[23:09:01] dibbz: woudl these errors usually indicate anything bad;
[23:09:02] iamlindoro: and his movie grabber works because he's using the old one
[23:09:03] dibbz: 2010-04–02 23:38:06.460 AFD Error: Unknown audio decoding error
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[23:09:44] iamlindoro: Pretty sure he's just missing python bindings, that error message seems consistent with that
[23:09:53] wagnerrp: the base scripts are in the correct place
[23:10:05] iamlindoro: correct
[23:10:10] wagnerrp: but 'tvdb_api.py' was never in that directory
[23:10:20] wagnerrp: even when it was included in the bindings, it was under a ttvdb subdirectory
[23:10:21] iamlindoro: well, it *was*
[23:10:33] ** iamlindoro gives up **
[23:10:41] iamlindoro: I've said my piece, I think he's missing the bindings
[23:10:45] iamlindoro: but what do I know
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[23:11:02] wagnerrp: hes certainly missing the bindings
[23:11:14] wagnerrp: but mythvideo should recognize the old tmdb.pl should it?
[23:11:19] wagnerrp: erm... shouldnt
[23:11:31] iamlindoro: It will if he's been tracking trunk
[23:11:40] iamlindoro: since I updated it for .23 before deleting it a week or two ago
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[23:13:09] sphery: and it's possible he may not have tmdb.pl on his system, now
[23:13:22] iamlindoro: He has it on his system
[23:13:34] iamlindoro: since it shows in the buttonlist with proper version output
[23:13:56] sphery: oh
[23:13:58] iamlindoro: Though he *should* switch to the python version
[23:14:10] iamlindoro: he should a) install the bindings, and b) switch to all the python scripts
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[23:14:57] sphery: agreed
[23:15:06] sphery: and c) delete tmdb.pl
[23:15:20] iamlindoro: probably (though I guess it wouldn't hurt for now)
[23:15:32] wagnerrp: the bindings are installed (or at least his --version output indicates they are)
[23:15:38] iamlindoro: just accesses the wrong API and gives back substandard info, and leaves you on IMDB numbers
[23:15:38] wagnerrp: hes probably missing the mysql package
[23:16:12] bjd: that would be embarassing ;p
[23:16:27] wagnerrp: i just told him to wipe the old mythvideo folder in share, and reinstall
[23:16:46] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, if he deletes his script folder, he will definitely need to switch to the python movie grabber, btw, since it won't re-install tmdb.pl
[23:16:56] dibbz: hm ok
[23:16:57] iamlindoro: meaning he'll need to manually set it
[23:16:58] dibbz: mythbackend[4477] general protection ip:7f2fbabc42e9 sp:7f2f9fff5fc0 error:0 in li
[23:17:00] dibbz: bQtCore.so.4.5.3[7f2fbaa53000+23b000]
[23:17:17] iamlindoro: now you're just a real backtrace away from some useful information
[23:17:23] dibbz: yep
[23:17:35] iamlindoro: or if you've just installed .23 for the first time...
[23:17:42] sphery: nothing interesting at that mem location on my system???
[23:17:42] iamlindoro: well, then you should mention that
[23:17:58] dibbz: nah 22 svn
[23:18:10] dibbz: deb testing tho
[23:18:12] sphery: dibbz: what were you doing at the time?
[23:18:18] dibbz: sleeping
[23:18:22] sphery: heh
[23:18:23] dibbz: no frontends
[23:18:30] sphery: so just the backend doing its thing?
[23:18:37] dibbz: yea
[23:18:41] sphery: was it recording or anything?
[23:18:46] iamlindoro: filling the database?
[23:18:55] dibbz: yes it was about 10 mins into one
[23:19:06] dibbz: yeh been having mythfilldatabase issues too
[23:19:08] sphery: what type?
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[23:19:18] dibbz: shepherd
[23:19:19] matmatmat: heyo
[23:19:20] sphery: HD-PVR, DVB, ATSC, analog
[23:19:47] iamlindoro: no EIT use?
[23:19:49] dibbz: dvb or mpeg2, either a tuner card ot homerun
[23:19:50] dibbz: nah
[23:19:51] dibbz: Apr 2 23:25:48 htpc kernel: [1231566.439513] mythfilldatabas[5202] general protection ip:7f58f4d970cd sp:7f58e4a23300 error:0 in libmyth-0.22.so.0.22.0[7f58f4cc7000+2f0000]
[23:19:53] dibbz: Apr 2 23:38:42 htpc kernel: [1232340.888403] mythbackend[4477] general protection ip:7f2fbabc42e9 sp:7f2f9fff5fc0 error:0 in libQtCore.so.4.5.3[7f2fbaa53000+23b000]
[23:20:08] dibbz: lets find a core
[23:20:26] sphery: might be worth finding 0.23-fixes, instead :)
[23:20:39] dibbz: yeh true
[23:20:46] dibbz: seems only yestedau i moved up from 21
[23:21:07] sphery: it's the new faster dev cycle
[23:21:14] ** dibbz likes **
[23:21:15] sphery: so users can feel like they're constantly upgrading
[23:21:57] bjd: should one be looking to move to .23 at this time?
[23:22:29] iamlindoro: Whoever's idea this fast dev cycle was is a genius
[23:22:47] iamlindoro: And anyone who disagreed with them should catch herpes
[23:23:32] dibbz: ok i'll upgrade and try to get some cores, thanks
[23:23:40] matmatmat: sometimes when i change my iptv channels, the frontend just crashes and afterwards i have to restart the backend before i can watch tv again
[23:23:50] matmatmat: is that a known problem?
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[23:23:59] wagnerrp: matmatmat: the backend crashing? no idea what would cause that
[23:24:09] wagnerrp: however if your backend did crash while running livetv
[23:24:26] wagnerrp: the livetv session would not close, and the tuner would be stuck until you ended the recording manually
[23:24:30] wagnerrp: or restarted the backend
[23:24:34] matmatmat: not exactly crashing
[23:24:34] wagnerrp: i believe that has been fixed
[23:24:44] matmatmat: it just doesnt work for tv anymore until i restart it
[23:24:50] wagnerrp: erm... frontend crashing
[23:25:17] matmatmat: it crashes
[23:25:31] matmatmat: i cant exit it anymore except if i kill the process
[23:25:54] wagnerrp: you should be able to go into 'watch recordings'
[23:25:58] wagnerrp: turn off the livetv filter
[23:26:08] wagnerrp: and manually delete the file
[23:26:11] wagnerrp: thus ending the recording
[23:27:10] matmatmat: well yeah, that might work, but its not a real solution to the problem
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[23:27:35] wagnerrp: the problem is known, and i believe it has already been fixed
[23:27:53] matmatmat: i'm running trunk tho
[23:27:59] matmatmat: is it fixed in there?
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[23:31:28] wagnerrp: here we go... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2960
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[23:32:26] wagnerrp: ill give it a try later tonight, and if i can reproduce, reopen it
[23:32:37] matmatmat: i dont think thats my problem
[23:32:47] wagnerrp: that sounds exactly like your problem
[23:32:52] matmatmat: its rather the crashing, i cant change channels
[23:32:57] wagnerrp: backend crashes without cleaning up the livetv chain
[23:33:06] wagnerrp: leaving the tuner hung
[23:33:20] matmatmat: i'm not getting a lock for the new channel plus frontend hanging
[23:33:25] wagnerrp: s/backend/frontend/
[23:33:39] wagnerrp: now why the frontend crashes is a different matter entirely
[23:33:47] wagnerrp: no idea with that one
[23:33:54] wagnerrp: you wouldnt happen to have a core dump would you?
[23:34:19] wagnerrp: is it crashing? or hanging?
[23:34:33] matmatmat: not sure
[23:34:42] matmatmat: its fluent
[23:34:50] matmatmat: usually i cant do anything but kill it
[23:34:58] wagnerrp: do you get kicked to desktop? or does it just become unresponsive?
[23:35:01] matmatmat: sometimes it returns to the menu after minutes
[23:35:08] matmatmat: unresponsive
[23:35:46] matmatmat: the screen stays black after the epg info fades away
[23:36:06] matmatmat: and i dont have a core dump right, not at home at the moment
[23:36:29] wagnerrp: before you run it, run 'ulimit -c unlimited' on the command line to allow a core dump
[23:36:38] wagnerrp: and then the next time it freezes up like that
[23:36:46] wagnerrp: run 'kill -6 <pid>'
[23:37:27] matmatmat: alright, what does that do? save the dump?
[23:38:27] wagnerrp: terminates the process with an abort, which informs linux to make a core dump
[23:39:31] matmatmat: ok, sounds good
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