Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, March 21st, 2010, 00:06 UTC

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AndyCap:

does myth care what files are where, or is it ok if you get confused about which disk is 1, 2 etc and they all have folders named recordings ?

[00:07:58]

TheAsp:

why not just raid all those partitions?

[00:08:28]

sphery:

as long as it's in one of the directories from any storage group on the recording host, it will work (if you move it to a different host, it won't)

[00:08:50]

sphery:

it's ideal if it's in one of the directories in the proper storage group

[00:08:58]

sphery:

as far as which one, though, it makes no difference

[00:09:07]

sphery:

(which directory makes no difference)

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dahok:

been through so many pages online, still cannot get passed "cannot login" when i do the initial setup

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wagnerrp:

cannot login to what?

[01:11:27]

dahok:

that's all it says

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wagnerrp:

where?

[01:11:43]

dahok:

the info matches the text file

[01:12:06]

dahok:

database configuration

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wagnerrp:

your database is running?

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dahok:

i give up for now...

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dahok:

not getting anywhere

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wagnerrp:

is your database running?

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wagnerrp:

....

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lantizia:

Anyone with Sky/Freesat in the UK here?

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justinh:

top tip – you can only use Sky with mythtv if you capture via a set top box

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Beirdo:

quiet on here

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sphery:

woah, here's an amazing one: http://www.tv.com/past-life/show/76873/summary.html

[02:43:17]

sphery:

Premiered: February 9, 2010; Ended: February 18, 2010

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

two episodes?

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Beirdo:

and then flushed

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sphery:

I have 3 including Pilot, Dead Man Talking, Soul Music

[02:44:19]

sphery:

Seems they didn't air Saint Sarah, but gave screensers out

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sphery:

I was just going through my "which series to delete"

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highzeth:

The Pacific airs here in a couple weeks, been looking forward to that one

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sphery:

Did anyone watch The Philanthropist ( http://www.tv.com/the-philanthropist/show/75340/summary.html )? (Jun – Aug 2009, with 8 shows aired)

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wagnerrp:

i recall seeing ads for it

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highzeth:

1 episode

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sphery:

wondering if it's worth watching or now

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highzeth:

imo no

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sphery:

I actually watched Defying Gravity after it was cancelled, and it turned out to be worth it--I even bought the DVD so I could see the last 5 (unaired) episodes.

[02:47:32]

wagnerrp:

i think you should just watch better off ted again

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sphery:

heh, probably better

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wagnerrp:

and tell nielson about it

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wagnerrp:

sphery: supposedly they aired on the Space channel or something

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sphery:

yeah, but I don't live in Canada :)

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sphery:

and since they don't count, I still stand by "unaired" :)

[02:48:49]

Beirdo:

fix that ;)

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wagnerrp:

isnt that a cable-only channel?

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wagnerrp:

or youre saying it aired somewhere in canada

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sphery:

CTV aired episode 9, Eve Ate the Apple on September 18, 2009, but did not have Defying Gravity on its schedule for the following week. The remaining four episodes were aired on SPACE, which is only available in Canada.

[02:49:36]

sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defying_Gravity_ . . . 9#Scheduling

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sphery:

IMHO, the place they stopped airing in the US was not a bad place to stop--one more episode and it would have been a terrible stopping point.

[02:50:39]

sphery:

The last 5 eps were a different show, but still good--though I didn't think that until I finished the last episode

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why they cant get better technical advisers on these sorts of things

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wagnerrp:

it was a psychological drama

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wagnerrp:

but instead of using the isolation of space

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wagnerrp:

they decided to give FTL communication, so they were always connected to people at nasa

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

then there was the whole arc about the severed thumb from playing catch with a several ton container

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wagnerrp:

we get it, youre in microgravity... but you dont throw massive objects in space

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wagnerrp:

you dont throw massive objects on the ground either

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wagnerrp:

you do crap like that, you lose control of something like that, and someone going to lose a thumb

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wagnerrp:

i mean that OSHA 101

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matmat:

can i have a CAM and a smartcard in my tv handle the encryption instead of mythtv?

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sphery:

matmat: MythTV only records unencrypted content. So, if you have a hardware CAM with your digital capture card, you can use it with MythTV.

[03:31:53]

matmat:

hm cool. i guess that workss for me

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I think I figured out why The Philanthropist died--it was all the Bing commercials/product placement ads. (Right at the start of each commercial break, they go to a Bing ad with 2 of the characters from the show and use it to search for info on something the main character is doing.)

[03:37:11]

matmat:

I'm wondering if mythtv would even play the encrypted streams because vlc does not

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matmat:

(iptv)

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sphery:

they have to be unencrypted when they get to MythTV

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sphery:

that's why you need the CAM on the capture device

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matmat:

well, that is kinda difficult

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sphery:

perhaps a set-top box and an analog capture device?

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matmat:

i wanna watch hdtv

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sphery:

that's what the HD-PVR is for

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wagnerrp:

if you dont have a DVB-C/S card that supports a CAM, and a CAM to put in there

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wagnerrp:

mythtv cannot handle encrypted content

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR + http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

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wagnerrp:

if you have a CAM in your TV, chances are you can pick up a digital tuner, and put that same CAM in the card

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matmat:

i dont want to use a tuner card

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matmat:

its iptv

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sphery:

and it's encrypted, so it's useless to MythTV

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wagnerrp:

your TV supports IPTV?

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wagnerrp:

or you have a STB with a CAM connected to your TV

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matmat:

of course not

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sphery:

so your choice is a) use the IPTV directly and don't use MythtV or b) use MythTV, but with something to decrypt the data beforehand

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matmat:

ya

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matmat:

i guess ill buy a card reader then

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wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt support CAMs with IPTV does it?

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matmat:

i wouldnt even know how to connect a CAM to a pc that doesnt have a CI-Slot

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wagnerrp:

then whats the card reader for?

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sphery:

and don't say anything involving unauthorized decryption

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matmat:

card reader to decrypt the stream

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matmat:

with some sort of soft cam

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sphery:

that's what you're not allowed to say

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sphery:

discussion of unauthorized decryption/soft-cam/etc. is a bannable offense

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Softcam

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matmat:

well yeah. thanks. thats nice of you to inform me about that.

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wagnerrp:

its right there in the topic

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wagnerrp:

'Channel FAQ at http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC'

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sphery:

Plus I did warn you.

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sphery:

I could have just booted you.

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sphery:

:)

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matmat:

speaking from a practical point of view though, how else can i do that

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sphery:

But now you know, so please don't ever talk about doing that again.

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wagnerrp:

HDPVR, as mentioned

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sphery:

the proper solution is a STB + HD-PVR

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wagnerrp:

or some other non-HD analog capture card

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sphery:

which he said /way/ before I was able to type it :)

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matmat:

the channel faq sucks. it should have an exception for people with brain disabilities like me

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matmat:

they should be able to talk about those things

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sphery:

you can't talk about it here

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sphery:

we don't support it

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matmat:

i took note

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sphery:

but the channel rules won't change

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marcus__:

matmat: open source projects have to be very careful about "rules" (aka: legality) on a world-wide scale!

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matmat:

thank you very much

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matmat:

i have to be careful about my blood pressure too

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matmat:

and blood sugar

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matmat:

the latter being more important actually

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marcus__:

speaking of which, I've got to be careful about blood polluting my beer levels

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** marcus__ goes to the fridge **

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marcus__:

nice to see a lot more changes in trunk ... could have sworn I only just updated recently ;)

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marcus__:

the animated icons in Recordings is one of the recent changes that's been putting a smile on my face :)

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marcus__:

(doesn't take long to work out what they mean)

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k-man:

any idea how i can tell the xorg display port remotely? ie, for issuing export DISPLAY=:0 or similar?

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wagnerrp:

check in /tmp and see which servers are active

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clever:

ls /tmp/.X*

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wagnerrp:

no, thats only vnc that does that

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wagnerrp:

ah... right, hidden

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clever:

wagnerrp: normal X servers must use /tmp/.X11-unix/

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clever:

enless they are tcp only

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clever:

which ive only ever seen on win32 builds

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marcus__:

or ssh -X, export, and do xset -q

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marcus__:

gday clever

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clever:

yeah, ssh -X would create a fake socket that looks/acts the same way

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marcus__:

xset would verify what you're looking at

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marcus__:

err ... which screen ...

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marcus__:

nm ;)

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marcus__:

(eg: if you had >1 xsession, etc)

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clever:

echo $DISPLAY will tell you which one your typing into

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k-man:

trouble is, when gdm starts, my monitor and TV fail to display anything so I can't log in that way to find out which display its on

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marcus__:

$ ls -la /tmp | grep X

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marcus__:

make that $ ls -la /tmp | grep "\.X"

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k-man:

sshing in and su – to root, then export DISPLAY=:0; xhost + gives me No protocol specified, xhost: unable to open display ":0"

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marcus__:

no

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marcus__:

ssh -X *user-that's-running-X*

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marcus__:

ensure that X11 forwarding is enabled in sshd_config

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k-man:

marcus__: what if its just gdm running, no user logged in yet

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marcus__:

no idea, don't run dm's on my headless machines ;)

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k-man:

fair enough

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k-man:

yeah, might turn that off for now

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k-man:

its just getting in the way

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** marcus__ hopes that a rebuild will fix all (his self-inflicted) errors after a dist-upgrade to squeeze **

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marcus__:

(7 hours in to today's "FIX" now!) ... *sigh*

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marcus__:

I'd prefer to be working on my computer room :(

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wagnerrp:

building an integrated desk or something?

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marcus__:

2.4m cube (roughly) under the house

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marcus__:

stud walls, plaster walls/ceiling, insulated, etc

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wagnerrp:

so more of a server room

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marcus__:

eg: by complete coincidence it turns out that the only "piece of wood" I've got "in stock" for building a "computer cupboard" is a large poster of a naked chick on a giant marijuana bud titled "Riding High" (it was given to me, OK!)

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marcus__:

I'm sure waf will plummet ;)

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marcus__:

yeah ... possibly more of a server room ... but it'll have CARPET! ;)

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marcus__:

(and dimmable LED downlights)

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matmat:

dont insulate it, then itll need less cooling

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wagnerrp:

im betting he means sound insulation

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marcus__:

*cackle*

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marcus__:

it's cool down there in the summer (being under the centre of the house), and very cold during the winter

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marcus__:

turns out that (along with not being able to arc weld) I'm not very good at building either ;)) ... but it's been fun

[04:21:48]

marcus__:

got all the stud walls up, 1/2 the plaster+insulation ... working out the fine points of this "wall-mounted router cupboard" before I put the sheet of plaster on

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marcus__:

getting a bit complicated :|

[04:22:12]

marcus__:

but hopefully will *look* simple when finished

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matmat:

he did insulate the walls

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marcus__:

yep, doing walls and ceiling

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marcus__:

R1.5 batts

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marcus__:

ooh ... father-in-law has just arrived ... he's promised me some concrete sheet!

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mattwj2002:

hi everyone

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mattwj2002:

hey everyone

[04:27:00]

mattwj2002:

oops

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mattwj2002:

would this remote work with mythtv?

[04:27:12]

mattwj2002:

http://cgi.ebay.com/5-Lot-DELL-RC6-REMOTE-Con . . . em53dd1972e3

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wagnerrp:

not a chance

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wagnerrp:

'IR USB Sensor and Batteries NOT included'

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mattwj2002:

lol

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mattwj2002:

I know that.....

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mattwj2002:

I was planning on buy that seperate

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wagnerrp:

you _need_ five remotes?

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mattwj2002:

nope

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mattwj2002:

but I do need two

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mattwj2002:

and I might give my dad one for boxee

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wagnerrp:

but theyre useless without the receiver

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wagnerrp:

and usually the receiver comes with a remote

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mattwj2002:

I know I know

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marcus__:

hmm ... nope

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marcus__:

I don't get it

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marcus__:

I have tuners with permissions like: crw-rw---- 1 root video 212, 3 2010-03–21 14:58 /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

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marcus__:

and I have links to those (owned by root), but the backend (running as mythtv) fails with: eno: Permission denied (13)

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marcus__:

I can tzap those tuners as the mythtv user

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marcus__:

but the backend doesn't want to know about them

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[R]:

and the backend is runningas the 'mythtv' user?

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marcus__:

yes

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marcus__:

hmm ... got something funny going on here

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marcus__:

first two tuners have symlinks as expected, but 3 and 4 have something else going on

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marcus__:

I reckon it's something to do with the latest version of udev ... this is going to make getting the system working before tea *very difficult*

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** marcus__ expects even more waf reduction is imminent! **

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marcus__:

urrgh ... that makes it harder ... "SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device"

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marcus__:

etc

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marcus__:

flooding the logs!

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k-man:

im trying to get s-video going on my radeon card (i know, its crap but thats all i have right now) all the instructions say to enable it using xrander --output S-video --mode 800x600 or similar, but the problem i have is that i don't seem to have an s-video output from my device, i get "warning: output S-video not found; ignoring"

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marcus__:

hmm .. none of my rules affected by that

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marcus__:

I'll try going back to using tuners without symlinks :(

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marcus__:

ah, works if _owner_ of the device is mythtv

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marcus__:

duh

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marcus__:

even though mythtv is a member of video and perms are 660 it's being ignored

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wagnerrp:

being the group owner (being in the video group) should be sufficient

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marcus__:

I'd have thought so ... and that approach has worked until now

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marcus__:

I'm guessing it's something to do with pam+udev

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marcus__:

yep, that works

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seventoes:

anyone have any experience with the card on today's sellout.woot

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seventoes:

ATI TV Wonder HDTV

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seventoes:

sellout.woot.com

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wagnerrp:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCIe_Cards

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seventoes:

unsupported? kk

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matmat:

is recent onboard graphics faster than a geforce4 Ti4400?

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wagnerrp:

what kind of 'onboard graphics'

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matmat:

ati radeon hd4200

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marcus__:

phew ... finished before tea !.... yay .. now I can get on with something else!

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matmat:

just wondering if it makese sense to keep that graphic adapter

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wagnerrp:

a HD4200 is probably more powerful than a discrete 4400

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wagnerrp:

although by how much, i cant say

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wagnerrp:

however i believe the HD4200 is one of the cards supported by ATI's hardware accelerated decoding, for when/ifever that gets supported in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

while the Ti4400 is no longer even supported by nvidias current driver line

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wagnerrp:

their support stops at the 5-series

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wagnerrp:

however it doesnt really matter

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matmat:

mythtv generally doesnt support hardware accelerated decoding?

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wagnerrp:

because the board with a HD4200, is not going to have the AGP slot to support a Ti4400

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matmat:

yeah, im just wondering wether to get a board with onboard graphics or not

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wagnerrp:

no new board you purchase will have an AGP slot for that card

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matmat:

good point

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wagnerrp:

mythtv supports XvMC and VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

it will probably be picking up support for the CrystalHD decoders in 0.24, getting it from upstream in ffmpeg

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wagnerrp:

it may get support for VAAPI whenever someone gets around to writing that support

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matmat:

anyways, so.. since my athlon xp2000+ wont be able to decode hd with that ti4400, its worthless for a mythtv computer i guess

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matmat:

right?

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wagnerrp:

since your old tuner cards are probably all PCI, it would work fine for a dedicated backend

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matmat:

its iptv

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wagnerrp:

well, it would still be fine for a backend

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wagnerrp:

but youre going to be a bit limited on hard drive space

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wagnerrp:

since youre stuck with IDE hard drives

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wagnerrp:

or low performance PCI disk controllers

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matmat:

i got some decent sized ones, only the noise is killing me

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wagnerrp:

shove everything into that box, and put it in the basement somewhere

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wagnerrp:

let it run headless doing the recording

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matmat:

hah

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wagnerrp:

then just get a new small machine for a frotnend

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matmat:

dont have a basement unfortunately

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wagnerrp:

closet?

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matmat:

maybe kitchen or so

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wagnerrp:

cupboard? an access space between walls?

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wagnerrp:

you can stick it anywhere you have power, network, and sufficient airflow

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matmat:

so that thing would be able to record mpeg h264 1080i hdtv?

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wagnerrp:

DVB peaks out somewhere around 25mbps, a HDPVR will do 13mbps, and iptv will probably be somewhere under 10mbps

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wagnerrp:

all of which will be a straight stream copy to the hard drive

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matmat:

yeah, 9

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wagnerrp:

no processing needed

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wagnerrp:

now consider a modern high capacity 7200rpm drive will be over 100MBps for nearly the entire disk

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wagnerrp:

thats 40x the maximum bitrate you should ever see from any recorder

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wagnerrp:

now older drives will be considerably lower, and multiple simultaneous recordings will further drop the peak performance

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wagnerrp:

but figure any ATA/100 or 133 drive should be capable of several simultaneous recordings

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matmat:

yeah, also its adsl. i cant record more than 3 at the same time anyways

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matmat:

and just one hd at the same time

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wagnerrp:

you only have the one hard drive?

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matmat:

nah. couple

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matmat:

3 or 4

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wagnerrp:

add them all to mythtv as independent drives, and the backend will automatically load balance betwwen them

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matmat:

yeah, anyways, like i said, my network bandwidth is limited

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matmat:

a ps3 works as a frontend?

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wagnerrp:

sorta

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wagnerrp:

it works as a uPNP device

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wagnerrp:

and can access any recordings, videos (but not in storage groups), or music

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wagnerrp:

however the myth upnp server will not transcode content

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wagnerrp:

so if the ps3 does not directly support playback of your content, theres nothing you can do

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matmat:

can i schedule recordings?

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wagnerrp:

not exactly

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matmat:

hm that sucks

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wagnerrp:

you can pull up mythweb through the web browser

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matmat:

not a big fan of the wi

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matmat:

especially on the ps3 i guess

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matmat:

im more looking into something that can be programmed with a remote

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matmat:

xbox360 doesnt work at all i guess?

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wagnerrp:

not so much, because it wants all its content in some special microsoft container format

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wagnerrp:

nothing like helping develop something like uPNP, and then making your devices incompatible

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matmat:

id like to use the actual frontend

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wagnerrp:

then youre stuck with a full PC

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matmat:

what about apple tv?

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wagnerrp:

a mac mini will work

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wagnerrp:

but an apple tv is hideously underpowered

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matmat:

too bad, sounded promising in the wiki

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wagnerrp:

the wiki can be edited by all, including the clueless

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wagnerrp:

basically, it can play back standard definition content

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wagnerrp:

but it will choke on mpeg2 content over ~15mbps, or h264 content over ~6mbps

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wagnerrp:

and it doesnt have enough memory to cleanly run the UI

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matmat:

well yeah ok

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matmat:

well that does suck

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matmat:

anyways, buying a new computer only for the frontend doesnt make sense for me

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matmat:

i guess ill get a bigger machine and run the backend on it as well

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wagnerrp:

pick up a fanless ION board, strap it to the back of your tv with or without case

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wagnerrp:

youre done at about $200

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wagnerrp:

a bit more if you need an IR receiver

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wagnerrp:

you can do the same with lower end AMD hardware

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wagnerrp:

but its going to be bigger, so youll probably want some form of case

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wagnerrp:

maybe $250 all told for that path

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt take a whole lot to run mythtv

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wagnerrp:

it just takes knowing what you can and cant skimp on

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matmat:

hmm

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matmat:

i like fanless

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wagnerrp:

note that if you want to go fanless, you need a lot of ambient airflow

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wagnerrp:

stuffing it in a poorly ventilated case, or at the back of a TV cabinet wont cut it

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matmat:

so much about strapping it behind my tv

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wagnerrp:

that depends, your TV is in a cabinet?

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matmat:

no

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wagnerrp:

if its open to the room, there should be no problem doing that

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matmat:

it sits on a fridge

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matmat:

a nice fridge

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wagnerrp:

how far from the ceiling?

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matmat:

1m roughly

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[R]:

i had my fanless ion in a case w/o very good airflow

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wagnerrp:

that might be doable

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[R]:

it got pretty hot... i put a fan in there... its doing a little better

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wagnerrp:

ive heard good things about people doing fanless with this case... http://www.logicsupply.com/products/m350

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wagnerrp:

but i wouldnt try something that wasnt similarly covered in holes

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matmat:

yeah

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matmat:

i was always wondering why so few case makers thought of having holes/openings on top like some STB do

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wagnerrp:

usually people rest things on top of their cases

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wagnerrp:

i know i do at least

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wagnerrp:

and to be honest, most manufacturers didnt much thought into cooling until the last couple years

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matmat:

i could refrain from doing so if i can get a fanless computer then

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wagnerrp:

it was all just more of stuffing more fans in until it worked

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wagnerrp:

honestly, fans arent a problem

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wagnerrp:

high speed and poorly designed fans are a problem

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matmat:

hows the channel changing interval on a setup with a seperate backend and an ion?

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wagnerrp:

anything below 2500rpm on the small side (40mm), and 1500rpm on the large side (180mm), is inaudible

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wagnerrp:

and you can play tricks with the fin shape to raise that a bit, or get more airflow without being noisy

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wagnerrp:

the channel changing delay is going to be exactly the same regardless of how mythtv is set up

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matmat:

i'm not quite sure about having two computers

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matmat:

the streaming to the frontend doesnt make it slower?

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wagnerrp:

not in the least

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wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt support underperforming networks

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wagnerrp:

so there is very limited buffering on the frontend

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wagnerrp:

the delay is however long it takes for the tuner to start sending information to the backend after changing a channel

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wagnerrp:

and then another ~2 seconds for buffering inside of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

but the delay is going to be the same whether youre on a local frontend or remote

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matmat:

and iptv?

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wagnerrp:

functions exactly the same, youre just going to have a virtual tuner instead of a physical one

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wagnerrp:

so however long it takes for mythtv to register on the multiplex, and start pulling video from your ISP

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matmat:

any clue how long that is? i will see for myself .. but im just curious

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wagnerrp:

remember, ethernet latency is generally measured on the order of hundreds of microseconds

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matmat:

is it faster than a tuner card?

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wagnerrp:

going across the network isnt going to introduce much of a delay

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matmat:

ya ok

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wagnerrp:

i would assume so, but ive never used it

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** wagnerrp is off to bed **

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matmat:

ohh nice night

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artus36:

Good day all

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oobe:

good day to you sir artus36

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k-man:

any idea how to adjust overscan with a radeon video card and s-video output?

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jolaren:

Anyone have a clue why every show I want to record gets recorded double? like recording the same show at the same time twice

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jolaren:

I just upgraded to 1 more pci card if that has any to do with it

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jolaren:

btw a dvb-t card should work on a parabol right? nothing changes except reception

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jb_:

hi all

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jolaren:

hiho

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jb_:

Im having problems to get my music/tv/pictures/videos buttons on my Novo T-500 remote to work. in irw then give the correct code, but they refers to ALT+M, ALT+T etc. but thoes keys dont work on the keyboar either anyone know where and if its possible to make that to work ?

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jb_:

hi jolaren

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jolaren:

jb_, I acctually have the same card

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jolaren:

but I

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jolaren:

I've given up all the remotes

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jolaren:

I have two of those cards

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jb_:

me too :-)

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jolaren:

Cuz even if I rollback to 1.10 driver it still crashes the computer

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jolaren:

server*

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jb_:

I have gotten all to work exept the "media" (short cut buttons ) to work, the only problem was to find out what device it was and then to make it turn up as the same after every reboot

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jb_:

jolaren, do you know if its possible to make ALT+M (on a real keyboard) to go straigt to the music menu ?

[12:22:07]

jolaren:

that would be possible

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jolaren:

just enter the global setup for keys in mythfronten

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jb_:

I have been looking there with out finding the correct place where thoes shortcuts are or should be ?

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jolaren:

A friend of mine is going to setup a mythtv household. He's running a parabol and we're trying to figure out if its dvb-s or dvb-s2

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jolaren:

How to know?

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grumpydevil:

check which channels you want to see. then take a look at Lyngsat

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grumpydevil:

it will tell you whether transmission is in DVB-S or DVB-S2

[12:27:20]

grumpydevil:

but considering cost of cards, it may well be best to start with DVB-S2 now

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grumpydevil:

and be ready when more moves into DVB-S2

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jolaren:

I see

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jolaren:

Just the regular free channels?

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grumpydevil:

some of those are in DVB-S2 as well

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grumpydevil:

for example the HD channels from ARD, Das Erste...

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jolaren:

What do you guys think about this as a frontendhtt p://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=568252

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jolaren:

so

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jolaren:

http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=568252

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jarle:

if mythtv will not compile dvb-s2 support, will installing v4l-dvb make mythtv enable dvb-s2 support?

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jarle:

I am unable to get myhtv to enable dvb-s2 support on compile time, could anybody give me a helping hand?

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[Peter]:

jarle: you need to provide the path to your v4l-dvb tree with a configure option if your kernel is too old

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jarle:

[Peter]: thnx, I'll give it a try.

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jarle:

[Peter]: hmmm.. which ./configure flag should I use?

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jolaren:

I have two hauppage wintv nova-t cards.. one is -td.. I want to disable rc polling on just one of the cards, is this possible?

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jolaren:

Cuz on the TD card the remote works fine

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jolaren:

but on the -T card I get system crashes

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jolaren:

if its not disabled

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jarle:

[Peter]: found it: --dvb-path

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[Peter]:

jarle: yeah, that's the one

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jolaren:

I don't know if you remember me peter but I wrote thanks to you cuz you helped me fix svt-hd

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[Peter]:

jolaren: yeah, I remember. the fix is in trunk now btw

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jolaren:

Oh. Congratulations

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jolaren:

Thought SVT-HD has stopped their broadcasting for now

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jolaren:

=P

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[Peter]:

Not over satellite :)

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jolaren:

Oh, yeah. There's more to live than dvb-t

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jolaren:

:-)

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jolaren:

I have a few issues with my box since tho.. Can't view recordings from the frontend/backend

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jarle:

[Peter]: so, now I have managed compiling mythtv with dvb-s2 support, but I do not get any dvb-s2 option in the channel scanner. Maybe I have to delete and re-install my cards?

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grumpydevil:

Jarle: you do need to do that

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grumpydevil:

and it only works on .22 and up

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grumpydevil:

.21 does not have S2 support

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jarle:

grumpydevil: I'm running 0.22-fixes, and the cards was added before I had dvb-s2 support compiled in...

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jarle:

grumpydevil: so then it makes sense that I do not de any dvb-s2 option (even after recompiling)?

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jarle:

grumpydevil: do not see...

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jolaren:

Do you guys have auto removing on your recordings?

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wagnerrp:

i do, but i generally never get there

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wagnerrp:

i either delete them, or shuffle them over to mythvideo before i run out of space

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jolaren:

btw, I dont have a dvd reader on my server/frontend.. How does that work? I mean when inserting a dvd, does it rip the dvd to the harddrive for later viewing?

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wagnerrp:

if you dont have a dvd drive, nothing happens, there is no inserting or ripping because there is no hardware to do so

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jolaren:

I mean.. I'll install one of it rips it to the HDD

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jolaren:

that way I could take all my old dvds from my parents house and put them on my server so they can keep the dvds

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wagnerrp:

if you have non-recording videos on your hard drive, use MythVideo to catalog and play them

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wagnerrp:

generally the above behavior is considered a violation of copyright

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wagnerrp:

since you now made a copy such that two separate groups could access the content simultaneously

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jolaren:

Oh, I guess. Wasn't where I was going with this but I understand

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jolaren:

Then I'll take out a dvd player from an old computer I have

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jolaren:

Seems like a great feature

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Saviq:

hi all, having problems with DVB-S, I've moved from Gentoo, where it worked fine, to Debian, got the packages from debian-multimedia and now mythtv reports DiSEQc errors http://pastie.org/879654

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Saviq:

any idea where the connection timeout happens

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Saviq:

btw, that's with no DiSEQc, just straight LNB connected – and this is what's configured in mythtv-setup

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jolaren:

wagnerrp, I have mythvideo activated but I cant find it on the frontend, where is it located?

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wagnerrp:

0.21 or 0.22?

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jolaren:

the stable one

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wagnerrp:

theyre both stable

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jolaren:

the one that came standardized with mythbuntu 9.10

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wagnerrp:

hopefully youve updated since the 9.10 installl?

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jolaren:

only with apt-get update

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jolaren:

and dist upgrade ofc

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wagnerrp:

should be sufficient

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wagnerrp:

anyway, thats 0.22

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wagnerrp:

you need to go into mythtv-setup, and define the extra storage groups needed for mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

Videos for the actual content

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wagnerrp:

and then a number of others for various types of artwork

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jolaren:

and what formats does mythvideo support?

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wagnerrp:

using storage groups? anything but ISOs

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jolaren:

xvid, mkv?

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wagnerrp:

xvid and mkv have nothing in common, and the internal player supports both

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wagnerrp:

after defining those, exit, restart the backend, and go into 'watch videos' under 'media library' in the frontend

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wagnerrp:

then hit 'm', and 'scan for new videos'

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jolaren:

Great! =) I know I had "Watch Videos" in the frontend earlier a few months ago on annother system

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jolaren:

but I'll just have to define where videos get taken from

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jolaren:

and the fanart bit ofcourse

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jarle:

it seems like the mythtv channel scanner will add dvb-s channels too, even if it is set to use dvb-s2?

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grumpydevil:

it will, yes

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grumpydevil:

DVB-S being a subset of DVB-S2

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jarle:

grumpydevil: this makes it harder to have one input only containing dvb-s2 channels...

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grumpydevil:

true, i'm swiching all my card from DVB-S into DVB-S2

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grumpydevil:

as that makes it again possible to make use of any sat card for any input source

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grumpydevil:

otherwise you run the risk that an DVB-S recording is scheduled on DVB-S2 card, which is then needed for DVB-S2.

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highzeth:

I use my dvb-s tuners on the less use sats(where hd is not a must)

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jarle:

grumpydevil: scanning the channels on a dvb-s card first and then doing the dvb-s2 and tell it to not add conflicting channels should probably do the trick I guess..

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grumpydevil:

you can try that...

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grumpydevil:

but keep in mind that channels are ordered by inputsource, and with DVB-S and DVB-S2 being different input sources, the same channels will not result in a conflict

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jarle:

grumpydevil: if dvb-s2 scan encounters a channel with the same channel number as a channel I have already gor from a dvb-s scan, it will tell me it is a conflict and I can avoid re-adding that channel.

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Beirdo:

sigh

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wagnerrp:

?

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Beirdo:

I don't wanna be bothered to backport the nuvexport-related fixes to 0.22-fixes :)

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Beirdo:

just tweaked the perl bindings a wee bit more today due to the emails on the users list

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Beirdo:

his video identified fine, but not the audio, and lavf will identify it

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wagnerrp:

i dont see much reason to, unless the release gets postponed so long the ubuntu guys stick with 0.22

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Beirdo:

so... now use lavf if EITHER of them didn't identify right

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Beirdo:

yeah, I hear ya

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Beirdo:

with 0.23 looming, I don't really feel the urge :)

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wagnerrp:

im trying to build a kernel for network boot

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wagnerrp:

however im somehow managing to build it repeatedly without network support

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand how...

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Beirdo:

and for 0.24, I wanna work with whoever to get that stuff done by the backend, putting it into the database

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wagnerrp:

would probably be Capt'M

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Beirdo:

then the perl bindings can just ask the database :)

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Beirdo:

via the backend, or however... no more mplayer -identify :)

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wagnerrp:

well have to break him out of the mental institution first, and then drug BA so we can get him on the plane

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Beirdo:

and there was great rejoicing... YAY!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

whether we add it as a separate user job, or integrate it into commercial detection, dunno, but either way would have pros/cons

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wagnerrp:

i would push for it to get added in the recording/video merger

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Beirdo:

and then there's the fun of making mythtranscode ALWAYS spit out at a given resolution for those videos with changing aspect ratios, etc

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wagnerrp:

stored in the database during recording

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wagnerrp:

or scanned by MFSW

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Beirdo:

yeah.

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wagnerrp:

so then the backend just does a lookup

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Beirdo:

yeah, I don't see any reason why we can't make it do it that way

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Beirdo:

varying aspect ratios will be the one monkey wrench in the works though

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Beirdo:

I need to sit down with kormoc and see what that's all about

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wagnerrp:

why kormoc?

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Beirdo:

he's the one that wrote some code to deal with it, wasn't it?

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wagnerrp:

dont know anything about that

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

ooh, pretty

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wagnerrp:

you mean for the mythweb flash stuff?

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Beirdo:

trunk/packaging/deb is empty

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Beirdo:

I think so, but I'm not sure

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Beirdo:

basically, if the video doesn't retain the same resolution/aspect ratio throughout, you need to letterbox/pillarbox on the fly to get constant output frame size

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wagnerrp:

everything you need is in here... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . tream_flv.pl

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Beirdo:

especially when feeding it to ffmpeg and telling it what the framesize is :)

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wagnerrp:

oh.... dont know about that

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Beirdo:

you can't do xrand on the video for transcoding :)

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jarle:

Do I need to do anything special to enable storage groups (besides setting them up in mythtv-setup). It seems like not all of my storage groups are in use: http://pastebin.ca/1848265

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Beirdo:

now for all I know it's already done :)

[16:39:47]

wagnerrp:

BUG! BUG!

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wagnerrp:

probably a known bug

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wagnerrp:

and not really any way around it

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: is that to me or jarle? :)

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wagnerrp:

jarle: mythtv tries to recognize duplicate disks, so it can properly load balance between them

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jarle:

I was wondering that too...

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wagnerrp:

in the event that you have multiple storage groups recording to different folders on the same partition

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jarle:

wagnerrp: but it says that I only have 931GB total??

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wagnerrp:

since you generally need root access to read the serial number of a disk, and NFS partitions wouldnt even have that ability

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wagnerrp:

mythtv recognizes those four empty disks as the same disk

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wagnerrp:

since they have exactly the same amount of total and free space

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jarle:

wagnerrp: these are 5 seperate disks on the local mythbox

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wagnerrp:

once you start recording, that will correct itself

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jarle:

wagnerrp: oki...

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wagnerrp:

or, you can just create a file in each, of a couple bytes, and different sizes for each

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wagnerrp:

just so theres something different between them

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: sounds like something mythtv should handle better, no?

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Beirdo:

like add a file automatically to each SG disk to vary things?

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Beirdo:

.mythtv-sg or something?

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Beirdo:

I dunnmo

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Beirdo:

just talking outta my butt here

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Beirdo3:

Heya kormoc

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kormoc:

Mornin' Clone #3 of Beirdo

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Beirdo3:

On my way to food

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dustybin:

the seagate .12 series are excellent!!

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kormoc:

nice idea

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TheAsp:

I'm having an issue with 0.23... The audio in nuv's is 250ms off, everything else is fine. They were recorded on 0.22 and were fine there. Any idea how I can fix this?

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Beirdo2:

Umm. 0.23 ain't out yet

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: another idea to bump up to Capt'M

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TheAsp:

Yeah, but Ubuntu is release it in Lucid

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wagnerrp:

ubuntu lucid has a copy of trunk

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wagnerrp:

0.23 still ain't out yet

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TheAsp:

Ok fine... ;) The version on it is 0.23

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wagnerrp:

s/0.23/trunk/

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TheAsp:

Version: 0.23.0~trunk23623–0ubuntu1... Anyway, about my problem?

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markl_:

is MythTV able to play Blu Ray images? I have one that a friend of mine created and MythTV hates it – even though it works fine with DVD5 and DVD9 rips

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Beirdo2:

Anyways. There's some control over av sync delay for playback is there not?

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TheAsp:

Yeah, but I have other sources that are fine

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TheAsp:

It's only the old nuv's that seem messed up

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TheAsp:

i think new ones are fine

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TheAsp:

Hmmm.. new ones are off too, but not as much

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wagnerrp:

some sort of regression from the last ffmpeg sync? missed because no one uses framegrabbers for testing?

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wagnerrp:

s/for testing//

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Beirdo2:

Could be. What type of capture card?

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wagnerrp:

framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

markl_: there are no free bluray decoding libraries available

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Beirdo2:

Kinda need details to be able to mentally troubleshoot it

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wagnerrp:

and playing back bluray content you do not own yourself is not supported

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Beirdo2:

Arrrr. Get yer parrot off the channel!

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Beirdo2:

Hehe

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wagnerrp:

has any studio ever mastered a single-layer movie?

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wagnerrp:

ive never seen any

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** wagnerrp is baffled about the whole concept of 'DVD5' **

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Beirdo2:

It would have to be fairly short

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** TheAsp shoots his capture card **

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Beirdo2:

It's otherwise known as dvdr rips

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wagnerrp:

i mean ive ripped dvds where there were less than 4GB of VOBs for the main movie

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wagnerrp:

but that was just so they could cram in more bonus crap

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Beirdo2:

Yup

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wagnerrp:

so the only way to really get down to a single layer would be to rip out all that bonus crap

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wagnerrp:

at which point theres no point to keeping it as an ISO

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wagnerrp:

just concatenate and play the VOBs directly

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Beirdo2:

Quit making sense

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

yeah, there i go again

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: I think I have some old flipper discs that's single layer, but I dunno.

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Beirdo2:

That could be

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wagnerrp:

movie on one side, bonus content on the other?

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wagnerrp:

ive got one where they split the movie half and half on each side

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wagnerrp:

so they could fill both sides with extra bonus crap

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wagnerrp:

go figure that one out

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wagnerrp:

the movie itself was only ~7.5GB, theres no reason they couldnt just put it on one side

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Beirdo2:

Probably thought it was a good idea at the time

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skd5aner:

I've seen several older movies re-released to DVD <4.7GB of total content

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wagnerrp:

good idea to make people get up, walk across the room, and flip the disk to continue watching the movie?

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wagnerrp:

some sort of forced intermission?

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: probably some old laserdisc exec that made that one. :P

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wagnerrp:

luckily my dvd player happens to have a 'flip' button

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skd5aner:

really?

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skd5aner:

never heard of such a feature

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wagnerrp:

its a big 300-disk carousel, and it can take disks from either side

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skd5aner:

nice

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wagnerrp:

so it ejects the disk back into the carousel, spins 180deg, and inserts from the other side

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skd5aner:

that's nice, especially for a carousel, where you might accidently enter a single-sided disc the wrong way anyway

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wagnerrp:

ive not had that problem before, but i have had problems with the doube sided fullscreen/widescreen disks

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wagnerrp:

accidentally put it in on the FS side, and decide im too lazy to open it up and flip it manually

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TheAsp:

Woot! Fixed it!

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TheAsp:

Had to go into the advanced audio settings and set the resampling to disabled

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Beirdo:

bleh

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Beirdo:

OK, I don't really wanna pack anything right now.

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Beirdo:

and I'm leaving in 3h or so

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Beirdo:

so.... wonder what's on TV

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Beirdo:

since I'm at the house that HAS TV :)

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wagnerrp:

you have multiple?

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Beirdo:

well, not really

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

during the week I stay at my mother-in-law's... closer to work

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Beirdo:

on the weekend, I come back to our house...

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Beirdo:

well, my soon-to-be-ex-wife's house

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Beirdo:

blah

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Beirdo:

ooh Casino Royale

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Beirdo:

that will do :)

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Beirdo:

so... she can stay here in PR, since she wants to be single.... I'll move on... in Seattle

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

beer me

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wagnerrp:

!trout Beirdo beer

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a beer trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

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Beirdo:

mmm, beer trout. that sounds tasty

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Beirdo:

reminds me of a Monty Python skit

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Beirdo:

a priest doing a beer ad... "with the great taste of fish. ooops, damn, sorry"

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Beirdo:

I like watching Bond... even if it's not Connery or Moore :)

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jarle:

any hints on where I can download scan-s2 ?

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highzeth:

http://mercurial.intuxication.org/hg/scan-s2

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jarle:

high-rez: thnx

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Beirdo:

ooh look... on TV now is "No Data"

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Beirdo:

go, useless cable provider

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Beirdo:

yo ho ho and a bottle of rum

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Beirdo:

ah yes, Johnny Depp at his most made up...

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wagnerrp:

most made up?

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Beirdo:

yeah...

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Beirdo:

wearing more make up than usual :)

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wagnerrp:

nah, he just had a bunch of eye liner

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wagnerrp:

hes had his entire face painted before

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Beirdo:

heh, ok, I guess

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Beirdo:

he likes it, I guess. freak :)

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Beirdo:

well-paid freak

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seventoes:

just did the latest update on 0.22-fixes, now i'm having a couple problems on startup

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seventoes:

minor one: mythtv frontend starts up with the mouse on top of it :P

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seventoes:

bigger problem seems to be it isn't waiting for /dev/video0 to pop up before probing it, so it just assumes it doesn't work and mythbackend doesn't recognize the card untill i restart mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

so fix your boot order, and disable the mouse in the mythfrontend settings

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bjd:

any UK types want to share experiences of dvb-s cards before i purchase something? :p

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seventoes:

wagnerrp: how do i fix my boot order and where' the setting at? :P

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wagnerrp:

you would have to ask someone who knows your distro why youre loading daemons before youve finished loading drivers

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** Beirdo coughs.... upstart.... cough **

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wagnerrp:

generally that should happen automatically

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wagnerrp:

and if they dont, more likely someone other than you screwed up

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seventoes:

thats what i figured :P

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Wicked:

hmm crap. i moved my backend to a new server...was having issues with playing videos...mythfrontend kept thinking the recordings where still local...even though they where on the new server...i then used the mythconverg restore script to change the hostname and i was then able to play the recordings...but now when i went to delete a recording to make some space.....i see this in the frontend logs: h

[20:58:50]

Wicked:

ttp://pastebin.com/X9JtRX1B

[20:58:57]

Wicked:

damn it cut the link off http://pastebin.com/X9JtRX1B

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Wicked:

the problem....the 192.168.5.65 is the old mythtvback/current mythfrontend. the new server with mythbackend on it is 192.168.5.10 and all the recordings are on the .10 ip

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seventoes:

there aren't a whole lot of non-sidescreen themes that look good :-/

[21:00:11]

seventoes:

widescreen*

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Wicked:

for some reason mythtv is still thinking the .65 ip is the main server?...or that recordings are still on it?...

[21:02:13]

Wicked:

and now i have like 3–4 rogue video files...they dont show up in mythfrontend because i deleted them...but they never got deleted from disk...because mythtv cannot find them.

[21:03:52]

Wicked:

this is starting to become a big headache...is there anyway i can ONLY restore my recording rules? it seems that this db is to convoluted

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Wicked:

ugh. i got less then 5 gigs left on the drive....and about 4 hours of tv to record tonight......

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Wicked:

this sucks :|

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wagnerrp:

seventoes: there arent many non-widescreen themes period

[21:11:56]

seventoes:

yeah

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seventoes:

kinda sucks

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wagnerrp:

theres really only the one in trunk... and then mythcenter which is the default layouts and some images

[21:16:14]

wagnerrp:

er, the one for trunk, for the theme competition

[21:19:41]

justinh:

there aren't even many wide themes anymore for SDTV users

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justinh:

it's HD or die, baby :-\

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justinh:

die being, use mythcenter

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wagnerrp:

widescreen SD?

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justinh:

yeah

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justinh:

had it for ooo ten years or so here

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wagnerrp:

youre not talking about the EDTV nonsense are you?

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

SD

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justinh:

anamorphic widescreen

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Wicked:

i thought maybe some settings where in ~/.mythtv so i removed that folder and restarted mythtv but its still referencing the old mythtv setup http://pastebin.com/Ve8mcYKP

[21:21:36]

Wicked:

i really have no idea what else to try.

[21:22:06]

Wicked:

Could not connect to server 192.168.5.65:6543

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justinh:

wagnerrp: not least of which because stupid intel tvout limits me to 800x600. Grrr

[21:22:31]

Wicked:

...the mythtv server is now Could not connect to server 192.168.5.10:6543 ....no idea how to remove references to the old mythtv

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justinh:

and no custom modes either :-\

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Wicked:

err

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Wicked:

stupid paste

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Wicked:

*...the mythtv server is now 192.168.5.10:6543 ....no idea how to remove references to the old mythtv

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justinh:

Wicked: the frontend goes to the database first, so if the db is pointing at the wrong place..

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Wicked:

yea. but i have no idea how to fix the database.

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justinh:

mythtv-setup is where you configure stuff

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Wicked:

yea. ive changed everything in there to use the new settings.

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justinh:

sounds like you've done a fair job making a mess of it

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Wicked:

but its still trying to use the old ones

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justinh:

I'm not even gonna dig & see what you might've done. always ends in tears, this stuff

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Wicked:

:(

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Wicked:

so im basicly on my own here?

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justinh:

if mythtv-setup is pointing to the right places for the database & backend server...

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justinh:

then all should be well assuming hostnames aren't screwed up somewhere

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Wicked:

is it possible to only dump the recording rules so i can restore just the rules?

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wagnerrp:

why cant you restore everything?

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Wicked:

justinh, i used the mythconverg restore script to change the hostname from the old one to the new

[21:27:15]

Wicked:

wagnerrp, i can...and i did...and its not working properly.

[21:27:27]

wagnerrp:

did you just change the name, or have you changed IPs as well?

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Wicked:

heres a quick rundown of what i did

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justinh:

no quick rundown. cover the facts

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wagnerrp:

if the latter, you need to go into mythtv-setup, and fix the local and master backend IPs

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wagnerrp:

if youre connecting to the wrong address, you havent done this yet

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Wicked:

built new computer. backed up mythtv database. moved mythtv hard drives to new comp. restore mythtv database. change ips via mythtv-setup. used mythconverg restore script to change hostanmes

[21:29:02]

wagnerrp:

youre getting mysql connect errors

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justinh:

you changed hostnames at the wrong point methinks

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wagnerrp:

that has nothing to do with the content inside the database

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wagnerrp:

your config.xml is pointing to the wrong location

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wagnerrp:

and so is trying to connect to the wrong sql server

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Wicked:

justinh, when i 1st changed everything over...mythtv kept thinking that the recordings where still local here...so i changed the hostanmes and was able to watch the videos...but i cannot delete them

[21:30:13]

Wicked:

the config.xml for mythfrontend?

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wagnerrp:

being able to watch them, but not delete them, sounds like a permissions error

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Wicked:

if so...everything in that is right

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Wicked:

no

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wagnerrp:

it cant be right, because its complaining that it cannot connect to the database

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Wicked:

this is the error i get when trying to delete them http://pastebin.com/X9JtRX1B

[21:31:23]

Wicked:

that .65 ip is this machines ip...the one im running mythfrontend on.

[21:31:35]

Wicked:

which also used to be the mythbackend

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Wicked:

until i moved the backend to 192.168.5.10

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Wicked:

mythbackend no longer runs on .65.....and i have no idea why mythfrontend is trying to connect to mythtv at the .65 ip when trying to delete a recording.

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wagnerrp:

because that is the IP you gave it for the backend in the database

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wagnerrp:

if you properly ran the backend move script

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wagnerrp:

it would change all instances of that hostname everywhere

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wagnerrp:

the old hostname would no longer exist

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wagnerrp:

so when you ran mythtv-setup on that hostname

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wagnerrp:

and change the IPs

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wagnerrp:

there would no longer be any references to the old machine

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Wicked:

hmm

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Wicked:

what move script are you talking about?

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wagnerrp:

the official one sphery wrote, i dont know the name off hand

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Wicked:

well.. i still dont understand why i can watch recordings fine..but not delete them.

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wagnerrp:

mythconverg_backup.pl

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Wicked:

thats what i use

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Wicked:

on a cronjob

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wagnerrp:

because you either have the recording folders mounted over nfs, and the frontend is accessing them directly

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Wicked:

i copied the newest one over to the new machine

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wagnerrp:

or you have the master backend override set

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Wicked:

and restores it

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wagnerrp:

so the master backend always streams all recordings, rather than the slave that actually owns them

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Wicked:

*restored it

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Wicked:

the frontend is accessing them through mythbackend...i dont have the recordings folder monuted locally

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wagnerrp:

then you have the master backend override enabled

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wagnerrp:

otherwise it would try to hit the non-existent slave, fail, and (i believe) give up

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Wicked:

there should be only one backend...i have not used master/slaves in over a year

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wagnerrp:

but you still have the settings in the database as if you had a slave at the old IP

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Wicked:

how can i check is the backend override is enabled? in mythv-setup?

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wagnerrp:

its a frontend option

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Wicked:

hmm

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Wicked:

im not seeing anything in the frontend options.

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wagnerrp:

i believe its a frontend option, i could be wrong

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Wicked:

also... the .65 ip used to be the main backend....with a .50 ip being the slave.

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Wicked:

and i dont see any reference to the .50 ip

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wagnerrp:

the settings defining the .65 machine still exist

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wagnerrp:

which means you did not run '--change_hostname' properly

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Wicked:

i followed the example to the t

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Wicked:

and after running it...i was able to watch recordings....before running it..i was unable to watch recordings

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Wicked:

so i assume it did something right

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wagnerrp:

when it runs, it trawls the database for all fields named 'host' or 'hostname'

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wagnerrp:

and then it changes all instances of --old_hostname to --new_hostname

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msk is now known as Strings`

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wagnerrp:

there should no longer be any references to the old hostname

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wagnerrp:

so when you run mythtv setup on the new machine with the new hostname, and change the IPs

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wagnerrp:

you will remote the last two references to the old IP that should exist in the database

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wagnerrp:

if you had already partially had the new backend running

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wagnerrp:

there would already be references to the new hostname

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wagnerrp:

and so changing the hostnames would have failed

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wagnerrp:

which is probably why youre in the state you currently are

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Wicked:

hmm. when i ran it..it did not output anything saying fail...it seemed to run fine

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wagnerrp:

you need to blow away everything, start fresh from a backup

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Wicked:

yea

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Wicked:

imma do that now.

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wagnerrp:

and before running any myth applications, run the change hostname thing

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Wicked:

so just to be sure....stop mythtv....nuke db....restore db....change hostnames.....start mythtv...change ips in mythtv-setup

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Wicked:

or well..run mythtv-setup before starting the backend

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tmkt:

any super sensitiuve dvb tuners? i have hvr-1600, but my samsung tv picks up 8 channels super clear that i can't even find with my myth box

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Wicked:

ok so i nuked the db...restored the db.....then ran the update hostnames command i get this: http://pastebin.com/NPJtRVN6

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sphery:

Wicked: you can't change the hostname to a hostname that's already been used in your Myth system

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Wicked:

hmm...i cant recall if the new one has been used in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

i was as soon as you ran mythtv-setup/mythbackend from the new hostname

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sphery:

If you need to use the name Core and you have some stuff with name Core and some with name Zero, the only approach you can use with the scripts is a) backup DB, b) drop DB, c) run mc.sql, d) start mythtv-setup, e) exit mythtv-setup, f) do a partial restore, g) do a mythconverg_restore.pl --change_hostname, h) run mythtv-setup and reconfigure, i) run mythfrontend and reconfigure

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wagnerrp:

and you had a non-functional system before you tried changing the hostname

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wagnerrp:

meaning you had run something to know it was non-functional

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sphery:

and, wagnerrp is exactly right--as long as you've run any mythtv program with that hostname, it's been used

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Wicked:

hmm

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sphery:

If your DB is messed up, I'd recommend the partial restore approach I just mentioned

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sphery:

it's guaranteed to clean it up and make everything work as it should

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Wicked:

ok.

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sphery:

(unless you reconfigure things wrong :)

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sphery:

you'll have to redo all your config, though

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wagnerrp:

guaranteed... unless this, or this, or this...

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sphery:

mythtv-setup and mythfrontend settings

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wagnerrp:

youre starting to sound like a BASH programmer there

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sphery:

the most important thing in mythfrontend settings is to change the playback profile group from CPU+ to just about anything else (none of the CPU ones)

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sphery:

the rest of the settings you can get as you figure out they're not what you want

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Wicked:

ok. so let me give this a shot

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sphery:

(rest of the frontend settings that is :)

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sphery:

backend settings are pretty critical--but much fewer in number and easier to figure out--since you have to go through them all anyway

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Wicked:

yea.

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Wicked:

im gonna drop the db now and do what you recomended

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Wicked:

and hope it works

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sphery:

just make sure you have a full backup :)

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Wicked:

yea. i have a could full backups

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tmkt:

funny that the hvr-1600 tuner is made by samsung

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Wicked:

hmmm...what does the partial restore do?

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Wicked:

like what kinda things does it restore?

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slayven:

guys, what's that supposed to mean: "error opening jump program file"?

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slayven:

got that after an update and trying to tune on a dvb-s stream

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sphery:

Wicked: only the non-recreatable data

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sphery:

Wicked: info on your existing recordings, basically

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Wicked:

ah. perfect :)

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slayven:

the only error in the backend.log is "Error: offset>181, pes length & current can not be queried"

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sphery:

everything else you reconfigure/re-run mythfilldatabase

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sphery:

slayven: the first is a generic "LiveTV failed" error

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sphery:

the second sounds like the cause of the LiveTV failure

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slayven:

sphery: oh thanks

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sphery:

slayven: what satellite is this?

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sphery:

slayven: something like http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8157 or http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8028

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slayven:

sphery: thx for the hints

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slayven:

I found the problem

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slayven:

seems like there have been some bogus channels in the database

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slayven:

I deleted all channels and did a full scan

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slayven:

it works now

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sphery:

slayven: cool... glad it's working.

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Wicked:

sphery, its looking like that fixed my problems :)

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sphery:

Wicked cool

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Wicked:

yea. very. :)

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Wicked:

thanks :)

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sphery:

y/w... enjoy

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Wicked:

was starting to freak out a bit...thinking i was gonna have to lose all my recording rules

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Wicked:

and thank you wagnerrp for trying :)

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sphery:

ah, yeah, I forgot to mention that it restores those too

[22:45:11]

sphery:

yeah, wagnerrp had all the right information--he just hadn't yet gotten to the point of suggesting starting over with your DB :)

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wagnerrp:

[17:45] <wagnerrp> you need to blow away everything, start fresh from a backup

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Wicked:

yea. i just appreciate any help people offer :)

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sphery:

heh, guess he did--I didn't read back that far

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wagnerrp:

:)

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sphery:

I just caught a couple of the things he said (mainly around where he mentioned my nick :)

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Wicked:

ah

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gletscher_:

I'm having issues configuring a bt878 tuner, anyone familiar with it?

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gletscher_:

it wont let me set a lnb in the diseqc settings

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wagnerrp:

of course not

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wagnerrp:

a bt878 tuner is not used for DVB-S

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iamlindoro:

It's used for kindling!

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** wagnerrp lights the fires **

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Wicked:

hmm...am i crazy or is there not a screen to set the bitrate for my pvr-150 under mythtv-settings anymore?

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wagnerrp:

frontend settings, transcoding profiles

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Wicked:

doh!

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gletscher_:

what about a cx23110 ?

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gletscher_:

sorry, 24110

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Wicked:

in the backend logs...im seeing Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) ...if i manually stop mythbackend and start it from the cli..not the init scripts...i can input the database info...but it does not seem to store the info...am i agan over looking a setting?

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Wicked:

ah i see its trying to use /home/mythtv/.mythtv...but there is none...and the /etc/mythtv/config.xml is using the wrong info

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Wicked:

simple fix

[23:01:18]

Wicked:

hmm

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Wicked:

maybe not..

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Wicked:

ah..seems i had to edit both /etc/mythtv/config.xml and mysql.txt

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wagnerrp:

mysql.txt is only used if config.xml does not exist

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wagnerrp:

and by some antiquated scripts

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Wicked:

hmmm. they both existed

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gletscher_:

so anyone an idea why i can't configure a lnb for my connexant cx 24110 tuner? It works in kaffeine, just have trouble settings it up in mythtv, the disecq just say unconnected

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Wicked:

also im not seeing any transcoding settings in mythfrontend

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sphery:

Wicked: recording profiles

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sphery:

Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Recording Profiles--you'll have to scroll way down to find it

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sphery:

there are way too many TV Settings

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Wicked:

ohhh...i did realized it scrolled down further

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Wicked:

it looks like there is only 6 menus under there...but if you keep hitting down..it shows more

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sphery:

gletscher_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S#MythTV_Setup

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sphery:

Scroll all you want. We'll make more.

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Wicked:

hehe

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gletscher_:

thanks sphery, but im on that page

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sphery:

(that's from one of those things we Myth users never see--a commercial)

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gletscher_:

lnbs dont pop up for me

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sphery:

gletscher_: that last part shows exactly how to do it

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sphery:

and knows far more about it than I do

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Wicked:

hmm. damn...i had my bitrates all setup nice previously but cannot recall what they where. any suggestions for bitrate on a pvr150 using SD cable?

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gletscher_:

i just have the unconnected screen, when i hit enter it flashes, no menu comes up

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iamlindoro:

press down, then hit enter

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Wicked:

isnt it something like anything over 6000 is useless and wasted space?

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gletscher_:

did all that, no luck

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gletscher_:

any other ideas how to get it work?

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iamlindoro:

That's the way it works

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iamlindoro:

works fine here

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gletscher_:

might some device have the wrong rights?

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iamlindoro:

No

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Beirdo:

lah lah la

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gletscher_:

wow it worked after a reboot, now im stuck at the channel scan telling me error parsing parameters, this really is kinda tricky to setup

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JohnP789:

My frontend box, running nvidia's binary driver, works great (VDPAU is nice) for several days, but then the screen gets corrupted.

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JohnP789:

There are small ~4x4 blocks of pixels scattered all over the screen that are the wrong color.

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JohnP789:

It seems to take a reboot to fix it.

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JohnP789:

What should I search for to find a fix or bug report or something?

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sphery:

JohnP789: I'd recommend asking about it on mythtv-users mailing list. You're more likely to come across someone who's seen or heard of that issue there (as more people will see it--given a couple days time).

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JohnP789:

sphery: OK, thanks. I'll go subscribe and then take a picture next time it happens. Sometimes it takes weeks.

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resno:

quick question guys. if i run myth on a headless server, will i have more work to get the drivers working?

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Beirdo:

why would you?

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resno:

just curious, playing with it now. with a bad video card, i dont know if the server installs come with turner card drivers

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