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wagnerrp:

Fly Drive?

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wagnerrp:

what exactly is MHEG used for?

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wagnerrp:

i mean mythtv is recorded content

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wagnerrp:

theres not much interactive youre going to be doing with it

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sphery:

wagnerrp: agreed... not the end of the world if someone doesn't have it

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wagnerrp:

i mean what can you actually do in mythtv as it is?

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dustybin:

Athlon II X2 240e 2.8GHz Dual-Core L2/2MB 45W i really want one now :D

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dustybin:

they are cheap as chips :D

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Beirdo:

OK, that's one chore done :)

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Beirdo:

just created the salary spreadsheet for my fantasy league

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wagnerrp:

when recreative activities are called 'chores', its time to walk away

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Beirdo:

well, creating a spreadsheet with funky formula for keeper salary increases... it's a bit of a chore

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

the auction draft is Sunday night

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Beirdo:

hahah

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Beirdo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brilliant_Blue_FCF

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: i dont know if i mentioned this before, but a bit of a heads up

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Beirdo:

I will attest to the green poop

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Beirdo:

stupid food coloring

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wagnerrp:

im going to be doing an internal rename of a lot of stuff in the bindings

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wagnerrp:

the name and behavior of the top level stuff will remain the same

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Beirdo:

hehe

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Thrilling but a little last minute?

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wagnerrp:

for 0.24

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wagnerrp:

trunk, after the freeze

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: ok better. I will just deal with it like I did the bindings changes for 0.23

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wagnerrp:

if you want, i should be able to make the necessary changes

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Well ok if you want but I will still need to do the testing. Not that you would mind that;)

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wagnerrp:

like i said, the top level stuff that youre probably using wont change

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wagnerrp:

its just the underneath workings

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: As I am not sure of the details I do not have context to comment.

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wagnerrp:

i think you have a couple uses of MythBEBase and MythDBBase, the fixes would basically be having those use MythBE and MythDB instead

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wagnerrp:

anything from MythFunc, and probably anything from MythData will be safe

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wagnerrp:

i want to tweek the connection stuff a bit

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wagnerrp:

let it flip between 'Monitor' and 'Program', and between event levels, as needed

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lyricnz:

die xscreensaver, die!

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** lyricnz used a tivo first the first time the other day. Hmm... **

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wagnerrp:

also, im going to be dropping the backwards compat stuff once 0.23 is branched

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sphery:

lyricnz: what did you think?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: let's RC already then :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

OK, league business is mostly dealt with :)

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Beirdo:

hmmm, wonder if there's an easy way to get RSS of a phpBB board posts

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wagnerrp:

thats not something phpbb just provides?

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Beirdo:

I would have thought so, but I don't see a link on the page to the RSS

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wagnerrp:

;D

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wagnerrp:

i cant imagine i missed this before

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wagnerrp:

from the author himself... 'mythicalLibrarian puts the full ass into it.'

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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wagnerrp:

thats got to be quote of the week right there

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Beirdo:

no more half-assed solutions?

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wagnerrp:

'it does not take 1800+ lines of chained bash to half-ass name files'

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

wagnerrp: was looking up that quote and found this instead: http://forum.xbmc.org/showpost.php?s=94b01fa6 . . . postcount=12

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sphery:

"Tried mythicalLibrarian tonight after MythSExx failed to find a show."

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sphery:

I've never heard about that plugin he's using with mythicalLibrarian.

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wagnerrp:

i have no response to that

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Beirdo:

hehe, figures

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Beirdo:

MythPr0n

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sphery:

lol

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sphery:

like mozilla's libpr0n (for real)

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wagnerrp:

when your frontend and your backend get together and make videos

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sphery:

http://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/libimage/libpr0n.html

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sphery:

heh, it got split out: http://www.libpr0n.com/index.html

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Beirdo:

The main goal of the library is to render pornographic images in an efficient way. Plus, the name "imglib2" is boring.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

whats with the $35 registration?

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Beirdo:

I'm pretty sure that's a joke

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sphery:

good question

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Beirdo:

did you click the register link? ;)

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sphery:

Note. Children under the age of 13 should not need a porn rendering library.

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Beirdo:

goats. heh

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wagnerrp:

WTF is da mow mow?

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LabMonke1 is now known as LabMonkey

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Beirdo:

I don't think I wish to know

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sphery:

While Stocks Last. Offer void where prohibited by law or common sense.

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sphery:

http://pastebin.com/XV1q5RK0 – "mythicalLibrarian will now conduct mythicalDiagnostics"

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Beirdo:

oh nice errors all over too

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Beirdo:

guaranteed to work

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

'falsifying information'?

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Beirdo:

yeah, what the heck is this dude on?

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Beirdo:

and where can we get some?

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sphery:

over at xb mcdot com

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Beirdo:

aaaahhhh

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Beirdo:

right

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wagnerrp:

how exactly does this thing function as an 'rss server'?

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sphery:

mythicallibarian.sh --daemon, perhaps?

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Beirdo:

hehe, who knows

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sphery:

would a sh-based daemon be /that/ unusual ;)

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Beirdo:

no

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wagnerrp:

must resist urge to reply to thread....

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Beirdo:

send him to mythicalshrink

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kormoc:

he likely assumes you have apache setup and running

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Beirdo:

of course, because that's what bash is designed for

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kormoc:

yup, it's most certainly not a shell

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

can you actually read a file in, in bash?

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wagnerrp:

without doing something like:

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wagnerrp:

VAR=`cat filename`

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Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

damned if I remember how off the top of my head

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Beirdo:

but yes :)

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wagnerrp:

you can 'source' another bash script

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wagnerrp:

but i dont think it can read files

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Beirdo:

there's a way to read from the console

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sphery:

I think you can read line by line with read

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Beirdo:

so you can read from a file

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sphery:

just type: read

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Beirdo:

I've done it before, it was... 4 years back

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Beirdo:

read would be the obvious first choice :)

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wagnerrp:

is read a function in bash? or an external command?

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Beirdo:

internal, I believe

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wagnerrp:

ah, its a builtin

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sphery:

took long enough to find it in the man page

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sphery:

line 4402 of mine...

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Beirdo:

ack, that mythicallibrarian fool makes me wanna reach out and slap the smug right off his face

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Beirdo:

bet he's like 15

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wagnerrp:

hes in his 30s

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sphery:

there's a point when--in writing a script--you have to back away and realize, "OK, this has gotten to the point that I need to start over and do it right."

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Beirdo:

what?

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wagnerrp:

some 'electrical technician'

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Beirdo:

physically perhaps

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Beirdo:

mentally, he's a pimply teenager

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Beirdo:

exactly, sphery

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sphery:

I started the backup/restore scripts in bash--then rewrote them in perl because they grew too big

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sphery:

(of course, they're pretty big, now, even in perl)

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Beirdo:

starting in bash is fine and dandy

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wagnerrp:

http://forum.xbmc.org/member.php?u=54283

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sphery:

tons of it is --help output, though

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Beirdo:

getting to a monstrosity that size and remaining in bash just shows that you are a stubborn twit

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wagnerrp:

his signature is pretty good

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sphery:

Xbox Version 1.6

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend is too slow, so use xbmc instead

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Beirdo:

or are not able to learn any new script

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sphery:

Mod Type Hardmod (Chip)

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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wagnerrp:

xbmc and mythbackend implement none of the same feature set

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kormoc:

he's on crack and not sharing

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sphery:

I just don't get people using 3rd party frontends instead of mfe

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wagnerrp:

i have no problem with people using 3rd party frontends

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sphery:

but why would you want to

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wagnerrp:

i dont get people using _limited_ 3rd party frontends

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sphery:

you /lose/ sooo much

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wagnerrp:

if you dont implement the same feature set, i dont understand the purpose

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sphery:

well, they're all limited compared to mfe when it comes to the TV stuff

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sphery:

agreed

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wagnerrp:

sphery: theres no reason they have to be

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Beirdo:

wonder when there will be a bash-based frontend :)

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sphery:

I'll bet his idea of using myth is: mythbackend records, runs a commflag, runs mythtranscode to cut commercials (automatically), then he uses xbmc to play back what's left

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sphery:

wagnerrp: but at this point they all /are/

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sphery:

and as long as mythtv is in development and has an unstable API, they all will remain that way unless someone devotes a /lot/ of time trying to keep up

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wagnerrp:

not really

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wagnerrp:

it takes a long time to learn the API

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wagnerrp:

but after that, its just maintenance

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Beirdo:

and you need to put down the bong too

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sphery:

and a lot of time to devote to mythtv to understand the changes

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sphery:

as mythtv is continually changing

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sphery:

and as long as we require frontend direct DB access and frontends doing things with mythtv data in general, frontends aren't insulated from changes

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wagnerrp:

do watching recordings require database access?

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wagnerrp:

livetv does, but i dont think recordings do

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sphery:

the bindings would help, but I don't see any non-mythfrontend clients ever being created with the feature set to rival all of mythfrontend's

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sphery:

there's cutlists and flag lists and ...

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Beirdo:

yeah and storage group configs

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

yeah, I just think that it's a waste

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Beirdo:

but if people wanna be stupid...

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wagnerrp:

storage groups can be pulled over mythproto

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sphery:

if you want to mix and match components, use Freevo

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wagnerrp:

i thought skiplists could as well, but i guess not

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sphery:

MythTV is designed as an integrated solution

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Beirdo:

it's a free country, we're all entitled to be retards

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sphery:

heh true

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kormoc:

it's a representative republic!

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Beirdo:

and BOY do some people take advantage of that entitlement

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wagnerrp:

bleh... why did i record stargate tonight

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Beirdo:

why not? :)

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badone:

hah! Just got upnp going to my PS3... love it!

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wagnerrp:

i already recorded stargate

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wagnerrp:

like 5 months ago

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Beirdo:

oh, that's a good reason

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Beirdo:

OK, this sucks

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sphery:

heh, it is a real thing: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=MythSExx

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Beirdo:

I'm craving pizza

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sphery:

wagnerrp: if you mean the movie, it was likely a different version of the movie

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sphery:

there are several different cuts

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wagnerrp:

nah, episode of Universe

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sphery:

oh

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Beirdo:

oooh, another bash script from hell

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sphery:

I'm wondering if SGU will be available as a complete season after the season 1.5 airs or if I should just buy 1.0 now

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wagnerrp:

i guess that makes sense

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wagnerrp:

doesnt xbmc support python-based plugins?

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Beirdo:

I thought so

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wagnerrp:

our 'proper code' is C++, so our outside scripts are hacks in python and perl

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wagnerrp:

their 'proper code' is already python, so they had nowhere to fall to but bash

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sphery:

too many people using xb mc media center (isn't that redundant) with myth...

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh

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Beirdo:

if they were using it just as uPNP, who cares?

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sphery:

yeah, that works

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sphery:

it's the fact that people are a) messing with MythTV's data and b) messing with MythTV's database that upsets me

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Beirdo:

but doing the mythproto-ish hackage....

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Beirdo:

oh I don't care if they do that

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sphery:

probably because I spent way too much time tracking down the breakage in other peoples' databases before 0.22

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Beirdo:

but I DO care if they then come and expect me to fix it

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sphery:

because they blame us and feel we have to fix their breakage

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Beirdo:

yeah

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sphery:

yeah

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Beirdo:

they can do what they want if they fix it in their own community

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Beirdo:

fill yer boots

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wagnerrp:

sphery: even has matching program ids

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sphery:

they're definitely taking the "The source code is the best documentation" approach--and inferring that all the bugs in Myth are a) how it's supposed to work and b) going to be there forever :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

well, have we REALLY documented the source?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: the one in oldrecorded and program (which is now the one in recorded) match?

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Beirdo:

and will we in the near future? :)

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wagnerrp:

although there was only one match from oldrecorded

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sphery:

Beirdo: well, no, but still :)

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wagnerrp:

so that means it was probably the one from that recording

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Beirdo:

exactly :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: what recstatus in oldrecorded? -3?

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sphery:

and what duplicate?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

duplicate=1

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wagnerrp:

i dont seem to have a oldrecorded from that date

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wagnerrp:

but i remember watching the recording

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wagnerrp:

odd...

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sphery:

can you post the SELECT * FROM oldrecorded WHERE programid = '<whatever>'\G (and the same for program and recorded)... er, are you saying it's not in there?

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wagnerrp:

im saying there is no oldrecorded for the old recording

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sphery:

ah, then that's why it recorded :)

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sphery:

could be deleted...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but that shouldnt ever get deleted should it?

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Beirdo:

I wish we could send a cease-and-desist to xbmc for allowing "Myth" in the name of MythSExx

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sphery:

I think the frontend allows you to delete the episodes from oldrecorded

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sphery:

beyond MythWeb's Forget Old

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sphery:

Yeah, mythfrontend, Manage Recordings|Previously Recorded, find episode, SELECT (Space), Remove this episode from the list.

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sphery:

Beirdo: agreed... I thought that was just some guy's bad choice of abbreviation for saying Myth's season/episode info.

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sphery:

Beirdo: might be worth mentioning to Chutt--if he cares he could probably stop it

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Beirdo:

did he register it as a trademark?

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sphery:

I don't know...

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Beirdo:

might be a good idea, but who knows what that would cost

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Beirdo:

then we'd have to refer to it as MythTV (TM)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

and then MythTV (R)

[02:36:00]

Beirdo:

:)

[02:36:26]

Beirdo:

as if you don't honor your own trademark religiously, the courts are likely to invalidate it

[02:36:42]

Beirdo:

something I learned from the legal beagles at work

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sphery:

I don't think it's actually registered

[02:36:59]

sphery:

but I thought I remembered mention of him stopping some t-shirt sales he didn't like

[02:37:08]

Beirdo:

cool

[02:39:14]

sphery:

heh, looking for the mention of it in my #mythtv logs, I found this, instead: http://pastebin.ca/1846317

[02:39:20]

sphery:

seems a recurring theme

[02:40:14]

Beirdo:

hehe

[02:40:38]

sphery:

20080215 12:32:23< xris> could sell some mythtv tshirts to pay for ram. :)

[02:40:54]

sphery:

heh, only took us about 2 years after that to get the RAM

[02:41:38]

Beirdo:

hehe

[02:41:56]

Beirdo:

make it nice embroidered logo on a polo shirt, and I'm there :)

[02:41:58]

sphery:

can't find the reference... :(

[02:42:19]

sphery:

yeah, I've been wanting to buy a MythTV shirt, but we don't have a good way of doing it

[02:43:08]

Beirdo:

it shouldn't be that hard, really

[02:43:34]

Beirdo:

but we'd want to be sure that it's blessed from above, and there's no personal gain on the part of the person ordering them, etc

[02:43:35]

sphery:

each time it's been mentioned, the PTB have put a stop to the idea

[02:43:46]

Beirdo:

yeah, I know

[02:43:54]

wagnerrp:

ptb?

[02:43:59]

sphery:

yeah... it was the whole money/no-profit/handling part that was the issue

[02:44:03]

sphery:

Powers That Be

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Beirdo:

I think it would be awesome to have for use at trade shows, for instance

[02:44:18]

sphery:

obviously someone wasn't a fan of Angel

[02:44:29]

sphery:

yeah...

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sphery:

I know Schedules Direct has done some shirts--mainly for handing out to people at trade shows or as prizes

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sphery:

but none that people could just choose to buy

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Beirdo:

and we'd want quality, not some craptacular tshirt that falls apart in days

[02:45:12]

sphery:

yeah... that was also a concern

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Beirdo:

which means not cheap

[02:45:24]

Beirdo:

heh

[02:45:41]

Beirdo:

but at some point, I'm sure it could happen

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sphery:

Beirdo: http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=MythicalLibrarian#Notes

[02:47:43]

Beirdo:

he forgot one thing it's a spawn of.

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Beirdo:

red with horns and a tail

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Beirdo:

and a pitchfork

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sphery:

heh

[02:51:41]

Beirdo:

maybe I'm being pedantic and all, but I don't like that he uses SchedulesDirect in his configs :)

[02:51:44]

Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

you mean the use of schedules direct programid's to determine what type of show it is?

[02:54:05]

sphery:

All this going back to his page means I've probably tripled his page hit count

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Beirdo:

the fact that he says for SchedulesDirect/Tribune/Zap2it set the GuideDataType setting in mythicalLibrarian.sh to "SchedulesDirect"

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Beirdo:

set it to Tribune or TMS, you git.

[02:54:39]

Beirdo:

that's whose data you are using

[02:54:42]

sphery:

and the fact that he's support mc2xml

[02:54:46]

sphery:

http://forum.xbmc.org/showpost.php?p=496721&postcount=90

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Beirdo:

gah

[02:55:43]

** wagnerrp considers duplicating ALL of his capability properly using the python bindings in under 400 lines **

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wagnerrp:

ill call it epicLibrarian

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Beirdo:

haha, he's a ricebot

[02:56:14]

Beirdo:

riceboy rather

[02:56:38]

Beirdo:

and a cheap one too... Hyundai Aftermarket

[02:56:39]

Beirdo:

heheh

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: those visible slots on the body are speed vents dontcha know

[02:56:57]

Beirdo:

hehe

[02:57:03]

Beirdo:

speed holes :)

[02:57:28]

Beirdo:

I love it when Homer put speed holes in his car... with a pickaxe

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wagnerrp:

'at this point you will want to make your terminal very very very wide. just keep making it wider and moving it to the left so that the data does not get cut off'

[02:58:04]

wagnerrp:

erm... it would get cut off?

[02:58:12]

wagnerrp:

i thought mysql just continued on the next line

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

OR

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Beirdo:

get with the late 90s... and use phpmyadmin

[02:59:17]

wagnerrp:

as an 'electrical technician' why does he have a medical symbol as his avatar?

[02:59:30]

wagnerrp:

medic?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

technician... i.e. couldn't get into engineering....

[03:00:11]

** Beirdo is electrical engineering grad **

[03:00:28]

** wagnerrp has EE friends **

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Beirdo:

I will readily admit to being a geek

[03:01:07]

wagnerrp:

i will readily admit to being a rocket scientist

[03:01:08]

wagnerrp:

:P

[03:02:04]

wagnerrp:

my old roommate used to work at a Lee's chicken

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wagnerrp:

and was stuck working the drive through one day

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wagnerrp:

he pulled out the rocket scientist card when some woman claimed he counted wrong change

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

you're a rocket scientist serving fast food... that you are a rocket scientist doesn't lend much credulity in that field, I'm afraid :)

[03:03:54]

Beirdo:

I'd be tempted to ask... if you're so dang good at math, why aren't you working at Rocketdyne right now?

[03:04:01]

wagnerrp:

heh...

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Beirdo:

wouldn't be terribly nice, of course ;)

[03:04:26]

wagnerrp:

s/rocket/yoyo/

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Beirdo:

rocketdyne being part of Pratt & Whitney now, of course :)

[03:05:02]

Beirdo:

PWR

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wagnerrp:

yoyodyne producing anti-gravity spacecraft... with spikes... from the 8th dimension

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wagnerrp:

!trout Beirdo cult movie reference

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a cult movie reference trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

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Beirdo:

heh, I don't think I've ever watched it

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Beirdo:

sorry

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wagnerrp:

aww

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wagnerrp:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoyodyne

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sphery:

Buckaroo Banzai rocks

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wagnerrp:

man after my own heart

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sphery:

(pun was intended)

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wagnerrp:

pun?

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sphery:

the multi-talented Dr. Buckaroo Banzai (Peter Weller), a physicist, neurosurgeon, Samurai, rock musician, Jet Car driver, and comic book hero

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wagnerrp:

oh right... rock star

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Beirdo:

I will have to watch it sometime

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

It's a great movie

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wagnerrp:

s/sometime/now/

[03:09:42]

wagnerrp:

s/now/right now/

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wagnerrp:

s/right now/go to the store you fool/

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Beirdo:

haha

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Beirdo:

what store?

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wagnerrp:

the one that has Buckaroo Banzai

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Beirdo:

redbox doesn't have it, and they've put just about everyone else out of business

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sphery:

ah, man... Amazon.com has a new "buy it now/watch it now" thing where you buy a DVD or BD and they let you watch it on their Unbox service.

[03:10:57]

sphery:

Don't have it for that show, though: http://www.amazon.com/Adventures-Buckaroo-Ban . . . 8&sr=8-1

[03:11:04]

wagnerrp:

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=11629

[03:11:12]

wagnerrp:

dont worry, its clean

[03:12:13]

wagnerrp:

if only it were a toyota, the circle would be complete

[03:12:29]

sphery:

http://www.amazon.com/Fifth-Element-Remastere . . . C23MLJOVGA9D

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sphery:

disc+ on demand "Buy This Blu-ray and Watch it Instantly"

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wagnerrp:

not worth it for $20

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sphery:

Fifth Element?

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sphery:

So worth it.

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

Multipass!

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wagnerrp:

i dont think i would consider any movie worth $20

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wagnerrp:

i think the most ive ever spent on a movie is $13, for the 5-disk blade runner

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wagnerrp:

which reminds me... how as Masters of the Universe sat on my shelf for so long, and not found its way into mythvideo

[03:19:27]

Beirdo:

heh

[03:19:46]

Beirdo:

mmm, I'm glad hops are grown in Washington State

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

ooooh

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Beirdo:

IPA Fest

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Beirdo:

now we're talkin

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noisymouse:

Is there a way to use pip while watching a recording?

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kormoc:

weird

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kormoc:

sharp is doing a four color tv, Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow

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[R]:

how does that owkr

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

http://venturebeat.com/2010/01/06/sharp-unvei . . . lion-colors/

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt, since yellow is additive green+blue

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wagnerrp:

red+green it seems

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Beirdo:

heh.

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wagnerrp:

not to mention the video its playing only has 4K colors

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** kormoc shrugs **

[04:08:41]

clever:

4 colors in each pixel would solve the problem of trying to fit 3 pixels into a square shape

[04:09:27]

clever:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LCD_RGB.jpg this kind of stuff

[04:11:26]

clever:

theres also the problem that green+blue might look yellow to your eye, but its not actualy at the wavelenght of true yellow light

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wagnerrp:

ah no.... 420 is lack of spatial resolution, not color resolution

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kormoc:

http://www.techradar.com/news/television/why- . . . olour-675930

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kormoc:

"So whereas beforehand TVs struggled to replicate golds, Caribbean blues and aquas we more accurately represent those colours to the viewers."

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** kormoc wonders how that works **

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wagnerrp:

because theyve been using cheapo TN panels, which have poor color gamut

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wagnerrp:

its far cheaper to produce a 4-color TN panel

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wagnerrp:

than a high gamut IPS panel

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kormoc:

tn?

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wagnerrp:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD#Twisted_nematic_.28TN.29

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kormoc:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

basically, a nice panel with a good backlight provides plenty of color space

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Beirdo:

of course, if outputting from NTSC (never the same color) it doesn't matter much... heeh

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Beirdo:

of course taht ain't what it really stands for

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Beirdo:

but hehh

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wagnerrp:

people who get the mailing list in digest mode should not reply

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kisak_:

I wonder how close this is to stopping mythtv users from being screwed completely http://hd.engadget.com/2010/03/17/a-cablecard . . . age_engadget

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kormoc:

we're not screwed completely unless SOC happens

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kisak_:

society of camera operators?

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kormoc:

Selective Output Control

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kisak_:

that's a nasty proposal

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kormoc:

yup

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kisak_:

so in my area it's comcast cable vs verizon fios ... and for comparable prices we can get cable with 15/5 internet or fios with 35/35 ... the big snag is that fios has minimal clearQAM channels and they charge $4/mo per cablecard (vs comcast with the basic extended set in clearQAM and a couple free cablecards on request)

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** kisak_ groans **

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kormoc:

kisak_: fios + hdpvr is a winning combo IMHO

[06:09:27]

kormoc:

kisak_: and cablecards are useless for myth, as there are no linux drivers

[06:13:59]

kisak_:

so that's a hardware based component capture device?

[06:14:05]

kormoc:

yup

[06:14:53]

kisak_:

and you still need to use a settop box?

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kormoc:

yes

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kisak_:

which is $10/mo each

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kormoc:

I actually got that waved for mine

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kisak_:

oh?

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wagnerrp:

kisak_: dont expect much out of the clear extended (formerly analog)

[06:15:56]

wagnerrp:

its all going to be standard definition

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kormoc:

kisak_: When I signed up, my plan (dish) didn't charge and so I told them I didn't want to pay for it and they waved it

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wagnerrp:

and theres no saying how long you actually get to use it before they turn on privacy mode

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kisak_:

wagnerrp: at this point I have the same impression ... nothing seems to be stopping them from turning on encryption

[06:17:36]

wagnerrp:

was the waiver blanket? or do they have to request area-by-area from the FCC?

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kormoc:

Comcast is a franchise, so unless you know about that specific franchise, there's no saying what you might or might not get, or how long you might get it

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: franchise by franchise

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kormoc:

I really think I'm spelling that wrong for some reason

[06:18:34]

wagnerrp:

so each franchise has to petition individually?

[06:18:39]

kormoc:

afaik, yes

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kisak_:

this whole transition to digital has sickened me ... I liked it when the pair of pvr150's was all you needed to get something good going, now it's a couple hundred to get this part and continuing cost for that part

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wagnerrp:

horray for DRM

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kisak_:

this isn't progress ... it's stupid

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wagnerrp:

who said anything about progress

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wagnerrp:

this is about controlling you, and milking you for everything they can

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wagnerrp:

standard procedure for selling something to a captive audience without any collective power

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kisak_:

at this rate google will consider crushing the cell phone industry a stepping stone to providing network television over the web

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wagnerrp:

at which point the cable industry will petition for google to fall under heavy telecommunications and cable restrictions

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phrearch:

good morning

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phrearch:

im trying to setup the browser plugin for mythtv, but do i need to enable it somewhere?

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phrearch:

when trying to open a feed, i get: no browser command set! MythNews needs MythBrowser to be Installed.

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wagnerrp:

how are you installing mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

from source? from your package manager? from a jump drive you found in the alley?

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tank-man:

says right there: "... needs MythBrowser to be installed."

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wagnerrp:

hes asking how to do that

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phrearch:

ehm, from the package manager in archlinux

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phrearch:

made it autostart in x

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wagnerrp:

if youre installing from source, you need to set '--enable-mythbrowser' when configuring in mythplugins

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phrearch:

ah ok

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wagnerrp:

if using your package manager, you need to find the mythbrowser package, and install it

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wagnerrp:

if they dont have a specific mythbrowser package, youll have to ask the Arch (or LinHES) people where they hide it

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phrearch:

i think its installed

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phrearch:

when i open the plugin, i get into the bookmark manager

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phrearch:

mythnews just indicates its not installed

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phrearch:

not sure how to actually show the browsing part :)

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wagnerrp:

so you can get to mythbrowser from within the frontend?

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wagnerrp:

it shows up in the information center?

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phrearch:

ehm, lets see. its in plugins at least

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wagnerrp:

mythbrowser open new pages, it can only open up things in your bookmarks

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wagnerrp:

you can add pages to your bookmarks in the settings

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phrearch:

is there mouse support in mythtv?

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phrearch:

i would like to add a wiimote as remote

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wagnerrp:

not handled by us, thats something 3rd party

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phrearch:

checking

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phrearch:

ah ok thanks

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Controlling_MythTV_using_a_Wii_remote

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phrearch:

aha cool

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phrearch:

ok, got in the internet setting in information center

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phrearch:

browser command is internal

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wagnerrp:

if mythbrowser is in fact installed, and mythnews is complaining its not... i dont know whats wrong

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wagnerrp:

its working fine here

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wagnerrp:

so if there is an issue, it seems to be fixed in trunk

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wagnerrp:

perhaps something didnt get registered properly on startup

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wagnerrp:

try re-opening mythfrontend

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phrearch:

ok

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phrearch:

each time when i reboot it indicates there is no connection to the backend server

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wagnerrp:

is your backend server running?

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phrearch:

i then manually have to boot it

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phrearch:

its supposed to be started as a service, but somehow it fails

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phrearch:

hm, scan cd doesnt do anything

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at0m:

hi! Is there a way to remove certain hostnames from settings, apart from selecting all the settings manually for deletion in mythweb? Over time, many hostnames have accumulated there, while I think the db could easily do without...

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at0m:

Or is that still just a marginal fraction of the db eh

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Jay2k1:

morning

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oobe:

at0m, i wouldnt worry about it

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oobe:

the most bulkiness is in other things

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oobe:

i cant see that being a problem unless you decide to use the same host name again on a fresh install and want to start with fresh settings

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oobe:

which of course could be avoided by just choosing a new host name

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at0m:

oobe: thanks, i understand

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at0m:

indeed, tv listings and recorded shows would take way more db

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oobe:

even things like saving bookmarks

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oobe:

the bookmarks stick around for files that have been deleted

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oobe:

they add up

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oobe:

still its not a big deal

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at0m:

okido

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justinh:

good point about hostnames. Must remember not to call my new backend 'mythbackend' this time

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jolaren:

Hey. Since the motherboard on my combined frontend/backend collapsed I was thinking about getting a new motherboard. This was the one I had Asus M4N78 PRO.. It had a lot of drawbacks in linux so I was thinking if someone could tip me about a card that is in the same price range

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jolaren:

I'm starting to think that I shouldnt go with integrated graphics

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Jay2k1:

hahawhy is that

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Jay2k1:

-haha actually

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jolaren:

Hehe

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jolaren:

Just that you could go with a cheaper motherboard and still get the same output if you even it out with a grahphic card

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gbee:

what was wrong with the M4N78?

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gbee:

my M3N78s have proved to be trouble free, great boards, if I had to upgrade I probably would go for the M4 or M5 (assuming there is a 5 on the way)

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Jay2k1:

he's gone

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oobe:

fancy asking a question and only waiting 20 mins for an answer

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Kazan:

anyone know the linux support status on the ATI TV Wonder that has CableLabs certification?

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Kazan:

(SFW) http://www.amd.com/us/products/pctv/tv-wonder . . . e-tuner.aspx

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oobe:

Kazan, you can check on linuxtv.org

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Kazan:

good calll

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Kazan:

been a while since i worried about that kinda stuff

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oobe:

also there is a channel for linuxtv support

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Kazan:

been using the same hardware for a few years

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oobe:

#linuxtv

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oobe:

myth is only limited to what hardware is supported under linux so asking myth support channels about hardware support is the long way round

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Kazan:

true enough

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Kazan:

but usually asking myth people gets a faster answer

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oobe:

yes im sure theres not much activity in #linuxtv

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Kazan:

it's Windows MCE certified.. i hope someone has hacked linux support

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Kazan:

(why doesn't someone just hack up an interface similiar to ndiswrapper? :P)

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Kazan:

doesn't look like there's linux support

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Kazan:

suckage

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oobe:

ooh an ndiswrapper style driver for other hardware

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oobe:

not a bad idea

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oobe:

i wonder if you just used ndiswrapper to load inf files of some other hardware type it would load them

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oobe:

i doubt it would work but would like to see what happens

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Kazan:

nah, ndis is specifically the windows network driver interface

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Kazan:

you'd have to write a wrapper for the multimedia driver interface

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Kazan:

if we got that we'd be able to use the Ceton M-card capable card

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oobe:

generally most hardware support is pretty good for tv tuners

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Kazan:

yeah

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Kazan:

the TV tuners with CableCard support don't appear to have linux drivers

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Kazan:

neither the ATI or the Ceton cards

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Kazan:

the Ceton InfiniTV 4 is m-card compatible, with 4 simultaenous streams

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oobe:

you can also search the mailing lists for ati wonder

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Kazan:

yeah.. it doesn't appear to be supported

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oobe:

would be cool i dont have cable but if it were possible to record multiple streams the i would consider it

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oobe:

i live in australia and we get pretty decent free to air content

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Kazan:

i live in the states

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oobe:

but foxtel the main cable company here is advertising tivo style digital cable boxes where get similar features to myth i.e schedule recordings pause livetv

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Kazan:

where corporations like to rape everyone up the arse

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Kazan:

and the politicians are all owned by said corporations

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Kazan:

isn't Australia on the DVB standard?

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oobe:

no no dont get me wrong corperations dont discriminate they like to rape every country up the arse

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oobe:

yes we use dvb-t

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Kazan:

the DVB standard was written to favor the customer

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Kazan:

digital cable uses QAM up here... and unencrypted QAM is fine

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Kazan:

but the law about access devices for encrypted content was written in the late 90s by our corporatist politicians with loopholes big enough to rape people with

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Kazan:

any device that wants to access the output from a CableCard (the name of our CAM modules) must be approved by CableLabs (aka the Cable Cartel)

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Kazan:

so it has to be anti-fairuse compliant

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oobe:

ok well i dont know much about that

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oobe:

i would be annoyed about it

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oobe:

like i said fta is enough for me

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oobe:

mind you i do use other options for obtaining entertainment to suppliment what i miss out on

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Kazan:

see the encoding we choose for FTA is also shit

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Kazan:

it has ZERO tolerance for multipath

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Kazan:

seriously... most of our population is in cities.. cities are multipath-central

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oobe:

i dont really know what that means

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oobe:

multipath

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Kazan:

multipath signal propagation

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Kazan:

ie the signal is bouncing off buildings/terran so you're getting it from multiple directions at different time delays

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cgabriel:

hi everyone

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cgabriel:

i like to know if anyone can help me with installing MythTv on Ubuntu 9.10 and the Capture Card LifeView LR214?

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AndyCap:

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Kazan:

AndyCap: what's that?

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cgabriel:

hum?????

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AndyCap:

Kazan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CI%2B

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Kazan:

cgabriel: is your capture card listed on the linuxtv or mythtv wikis?

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Kazan:

(ie is there a linux driver)

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cgabriel:

i have no idea, how can i check?

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Kazan:

if it's a linux supported card then just follow the mythtv installation howto

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Kazan:

google?

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Kazan:

AndyCap: the US is going to adopt something derived from the DVB standard? are you serious?

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AndyCap:

Kazan: no,

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AndyCap:

Kazan: but the dvb providers wants to limit the use of CAMs to authorized devices through CI+

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Kazan:

aah

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Kazan:

well hopefully their users tell them to go @#$% themselves

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Kazan:

of course, i don't expect enough of them to fight it

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Kazan:

the general public are freaking sheep

[16:14:31]

AndyCap:

what users? most of them have cable and satellite boxes and this might let them use CAM's instead so it looks like an improvement for most users

[16:14:49]

AndyCap:

the outliers like mythtv users? well, they're only stinking pirates anyway. :P

[16:14:54]

Kazan:

heh

[16:15:03]

cgabriel:

Kasan, im sorry but im a newbe on linux and all this... can you please guide me to see if my capture card is suppt by linux or Myth?

[16:15:06]

Kazan:

DVB-C has had CAM support for eons i thought

[16:15:18]

Kazan:

cgabriel: check linuxtv.org and mythtv.org's wikis

[16:15:27]

cgabriel:

thanks

[16:15:54]

AndyCap:

Kazan: assuming the conditional access system actually has CAM's available for it

[16:16:54]

Kazan:

i was under the impression that they have been issuin them for a good long while

[16:17:14]

Kazan:

the Content Cartel needs to kiss our collective butts

[16:17:36]

Kazan:

of course that won't happen until we get Corporatists out of government.. and that's only going to happen by making private campaign funding (rightfully) illegal

[16:17:57]

AndyCap:

Kazan: there's more than one conditional access system. Conax and Viaccess for instance have cam's available, NDS Videoguard does not. dunno about Nagravision

[16:18:31]

Kazan:

ah.. i was under the impression that most european countries mandated, by law, that CAMs for DVB-C compliant cards must be available

[16:19:16]

Kazan:

i might not need to worry about it.. if i can get someone living in the seattle area to confirm that the vast majority of channels are ClearQAM (As it appears they are from googling)

[16:19:31]

** Kazan isn't rebuilding his mythbox until he gets a new job that moves him out there :D **

[16:20:39]

Kazan:

oh btw – hacked Dragon CAMS can decrypted NDS Videoguard

[16:20:41]

AndyCap:

cgabriel: put the line with your tvcard from the output of "lspci -nn" on a pastebin

[16:21:09]

AndyCap:

Kazan: sure, but a legally doubious and unsupportable solution

[16:21:28]

cgabriel:

How is that? im sorry but im a newbe at this

[16:21:34]

cgabriel:

can you please guide me?

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AndyCap:

cgabriel: run "lspci -nn" in a terminal window and copy and paste the line with the name of your tvcard (or the whole thing) to fpaste.net or something

[16:22:33]

AndyCap:

cgabriel: then copy the url here

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cgabriel:

ok

[16:24:29]

cgabriel:

AndyCap, the card is not on the list

[16:24:36]

cgabriel:

is like is not even there

[16:24:40]

cgabriel:

on the board

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AndyCap:

do you have the list on fpaste?

[16:25:36]

cgabriel:

"fpaste"? im sorry men, but i have no idea what is that, im a newbe :-(

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AndyCap:

fpaste.org

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cgabriel:

ok let me go there

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cgabriel:

AndyCap, i just fpaste

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AndyCap:

and the url is?

[16:29:46]

cgabriel:

http://www.fpaste.org/H6ph/

[16:31:29]

AndyCap:

cgabriel: hmm, well, either your card might be improperly seated or your motherboard doesn't have the minimum required pci version for your card to work, might have to check your manuals for that

[16:32:11]

cgabriel:

it works, i had this working yesterday on windows xp, in the same machine.

[16:32:41]

cgabriel:

the same PCI port and all

[16:33:22]

cgabriel:

any other recommendations AndyCap? please...

[16:33:25]

AndyCap:

cgabriel: ok. that's alittle odd.. anything weird if you run "dmesg" like say acpi or apic errors or something like that?

[16:33:51]

cgabriel:

should i run that on a terminal?

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AndyCap:

yes

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cgabriel:

should i fpaste the results? i don't see anything wierd..

[16:37:12]

AndyCap:

cgabriel: did you read it from the top?

[16:37:21]

cgabriel:

yeah

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AndyCap:

is this your card? http://www.bttv-gallery.de/dscn0177.jpg-flytv . . . -rev.d_a.jpg

[16:39:29]

AndyCap:

cgabriel: you can search for LR214 here. http://www.bttv-gallery.de/ looks like it should be supported by saa7133 but if the card isn't showing up in lspci you have some other problem

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cgabriel:

ok, this is what i may do, im going to shutdown the computer, and re-insert the card to see what happens, ok? are you gonna be here for a while?

[16:41:08]

AndyCap:

cgabriel: depends. a little while.

[16:41:17]

cgabriel:

please...

[16:41:31]

cgabriel:

you got an email or something that i can email you?

[16:41:54]

cgabriel:

im totally lost in this linux stuff...

[16:43:33]

AndyCap:

sorry, but if I'm not here you should ask in #ubuntu-mythtv or #ubuntu for some help on getting the card showing up on the pcibus at all

[16:44:01]

AndyCap:

do you have xp on the machine so you can check that it still works in windows?

[16:44:29]

cgabriel:

nope i formated last night to install Ubuntu 9.10 :-(

[16:44:30]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, the recommended solution from most people in here will be to set the card on fire

[16:44:35]

wagnerrp:

we dont much like framegrabbers

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cgabriel:

Thanks AndyCap, for your time.

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wagnerrp:

comcast to broadcast the Masters in 3D...

[16:50:21]

wagnerrp:

.... why?

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dewman:

wagnerrp, $

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cgabriel:

Wagnerr, what is "framegrabbers"???

[16:54:25]

wagnerrp:

framegrabbers are the type of card you have

[16:54:37]

cgabriel:

is old right?

[16:54:48]

wagnerrp:

they literally just decode the analog video stream, convert it to digital, and pump the frame into a memory buffer on your system

[16:54:56]

cgabriel:

but don't have nothing else men... at least for now.

[16:55:15]

cgabriel:

is that bad?

[16:55:32]

wagnerrp:

at which point mythtv has to find some other means of capturing the audio, and then recomress and multiplex the whole thing in software

[16:55:40]

AndyCap:

cgabriel: you have to record sound separately etc.

[16:55:45]

wagnerrp:

basically, they use a lot of CPU power, and they are prone to all sorts of audio issues

[16:55:57]

cgabriel:

for real?

[16:55:58]

wagnerrp:

and while that was the only way to run mythtv for several years

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AndyCap:

hmm, that sounded a little unclear

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wagnerrp:

most people have moved on to mpeg encoders, IVTV cards

[16:56:32]

wagnerrp:

where the card does all that in hardware, and just passes on an mpeg stream to mythtv

[16:56:38]

AndyCap:

cgabriel: a cheap used Hauppauge PVR-150 could be a good idea.

[16:56:48]

cgabriel:

can you recommend one, cosidering the price?

[16:57:01]

wagnerrp:

cgabriel: some framegrabbers offer audio capture hardware internally, basically acting as a sound card

[16:57:15]

AndyCap:

like my old saa7134. :P

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cgabriel:

ohh ok i understand now

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wagnerrp:

most just have an audio output plug, or an internal connector, which you have to connect to a separate sound card for audio capture

[16:57:45]

wagnerrp:

they were never actually designed for capture, only for livetv

[16:58:02]

cgabriel:

ok, but let me ask

[16:58:05]

wagnerrp:

where the audio goes straight to a pair of speakers, and the video frames just get dumped straight into the video card

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AndyCap:

cgabriel: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_PVR-150 http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=m . . . l-Categories

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cgabriel:

all i want to get is the regular tv transmission, not dish or cable... you understand me?

[16:58:53]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: or is there a more modern replacement that also does digital?

[16:59:00]

wagnerrp:

and in your area, its still analog?

[16:59:52]

cgabriel:

nope, is dtv, and i used a converter box to be able to see the channels

[17:00:03]

wagnerrp:

hey, another PR user

[17:00:08]

gbee:

then ignore everything that's just been said

[17:00:09]

wagnerrp:

beirdo has a neighbor

[17:00:10]

cgabriel:

yeah1

[17:00:20]

wagnerrp:

cgabriel: yeah, ignore everything, and get a digital tuner

[17:00:23]

cgabriel:

ohh really

[17:00:24]

wagnerrp:

something capable of ATSC

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: umm. I think he's from portugal

[17:00:56]

cgabriel:

well this card is ATSC capable

[17:01:10]

cgabriel:

nope im from Puerto Rico

[17:01:14]

wagnerrp:

'OrgName: Puerto Rico Telephone Company'

[17:01:21]

AndyCap:

ooh.

[17:01:54]

AndyCap:

prtc.net is registered on madeira though. :P

[17:02:19]

AndyCap:

ah. I missed the "domain discreet" name. haha

[17:03:05]

wagnerrp:

looking at the LR214 website, it claims to support NTSC but not ATSC

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cgabriel:

ok

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cgabriel:

so this card with the converter box wont do the job

[17:04:18]

wagnerrp:

it will do the job, but you dont want to do it that way

[17:04:33]

wagnerrp:

you want to get a digital tuner, and just capture the channels directly

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cgabriel:

ok, so you recommend the Hppge?

[17:05:01]

AndyCap:

cgabriel: no.

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cgabriel:

wich one you recommend then?

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wagnerrp:

anything supported by linuxtv

[17:06:51]

wagnerrp:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_Devices

[17:07:20]

wagnerrp:

since youre going to want a PCI device, kworld makes some inexpensive tuners

[17:07:40]

wagnerrp:

and occasionally you can pick up a pinnacle 800I for ~$25

[17:07:48]

wagnerrp:

but thats pretty rare now that theyre no longer in production

[17:08:25]

cgabriel:

ok, hey men thanks for all your help! for real men!

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dewman:

have you guys ever heard of a cable company that broadcasts on all three qams?

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bobshaffer:

i'm having a lot of trouble getting this mythweb working. i'm using the 0-22-fixes svn (r23769).

[17:13:37]

wagnerrp:

we cant help you unless you explain what is going on

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tank-man:

mabye he is typing still ...

[17:14:16]

bobshaffer:

every recording is "unknown" (which i actually found a way to fix), the flash player doesn't work even when i fix that

[17:14:27]

bobshaffer:

yeah, he was tank

[17:14:30]

bobshaffer:

:)

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wagnerrp:

unknown, as in no guide data?

[17:15:02]

bobshaffer:

no, the guide data shows, but doing things like the 'direct download' fail on every recording

[17:15:33]

wagnerrp:

that generally indicates your web server does not have file permissions to your recordings

[17:15:38]

bobshaffer:

it's because of some issue with time zones

[17:15:47]

wagnerrp:

doubtful

[17:17:42]

wagnerrp:

mythtv stores all that stuff in localtime

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wagnerrp:

so time zone should not make any difference in locating recording files

[17:18:46]

bobshaffer:

alright, let me look again. that was the problem before i grabbed the stuff from svn though

[17:19:46]

wagnerrp:

as far as i know, time zone issues only affect the tv listings page

[17:20:13]

Jay2k1:

hmm, i wonder if thats a path/symlink issue

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Jay2k1:

i had that in my 0.22-prerelease shipped with mythbuntu 9.10

[17:21:17]

wagnerrp:

video content is the only thing symlinked into the web directory

[17:21:27]

wagnerrp:

since it gets accessed by php and apache

[17:21:34]

wagnerrp:

recordings are pulled in by a perl script

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wagnerrp:

so can be accessed anywhere on the system

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Jay2k1:

so is the cover art

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Jay2k1:

which was my problem

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wagnerrp:

so long as the recordings are where mythtv expects it

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Jay2k1:

ah ok

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wagnerrp:

and the user running the web server has file permissions to them

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Jay2k1:

bobshaffer: you said, direct downloading fails – any error message?

[17:23:44]

Jay2k1:

also, anything in /var/log/apache2/error.log?

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wagnerrp:

presuming thats where apache is set to log to

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bobshaffer:

it says the recording doesn't exist

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bobshaffer:

and there are no errors

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wagnerrp:

yes, because it cannot find it

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wagnerrp:

apache is being run on the same machine as your backend?

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bobshaffer:

yeah the select is failing because of a timezone problem unless something changed between the rev i had and what i have now

[17:25:43]

bobshaffer:

wagnerrp: no, different systems

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wagnerrp:

and youve mounted the recordings folders over the network using NFS?

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wagnerrp:

and in the same exact path they exist on the backend?

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bobshaffer:

let me look at this code for a minute and make sure i know what i'm talking about

[17:26:22]

bobshaffer:

yeah i did that wagnerrp

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bobshaffer:

and permissions are fine

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wagnerrp:

hmm... should be working then

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bobshaffer:

yeah, should be

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bobshaffer:

gimme a minute

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sphery:

bobshaffer: if you're using 0.22 or higher, MythWeb attempts to set the time zone

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sphery:

bobshaffer: if you ran MythWeb before properly configuring and starting the backend or before properly configuring MythWeb, it may have a bad time zone stored

[17:29:55]

sphery:

bobshaffer: so: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'TRUNCATE TABLE mythweb_sessions;'

[17:30:13]

wagnerrp:

but that should affect recordings should it?

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sphery:

yeah, since there are conversions from/to local time due to the way PHP handles dates

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bobshaffer:

yeah it's definitely confused about time zones

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sphery:

So if the backend and the MythWeb host don't agree on the proper application of localtime conversions, there will be issues

[17:32:05]

sphery:

bobshaffer: the command I gave you will fix it if it is a time zone problem

[17:33:34]

sphery:

In trunk, it will actually redo the check after 24 hours. In 0.22, however, there was a bug in the check for how long it's been since the last check, so it never rechecks.

[17:33:57]

sphery:

So in 0.22, if you get a bad time zone stored in MythWeb's settings, you have to wipe the settings.

[17:34:03]

wagnerrp:

that explains the problem i was having a while back where my listing data was off by several hours

[17:34:45]

sphery:

yeah, the fix went into trunk only about a week ago or so

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bobshaffer:

it's still not right

[17:35:02]

bobshaffer:

as to be something in the configuration

[17:35:05]

bobshaffer:

*has

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sphery:

how about the exact error/message you're getting?

[17:35:20]

bobshaffer:

"Unknown recording requested. "

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sphery:

what makes you think it's time zone, then?

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bobshaffer:

because the query being used matches the last part of the url against starttime, and it's wrong

[17:36:39]

bobshaffer:

by exactly the offset of my timezone

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sphery:

you get that from looking at mysql logs?

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bobshaffer:

i got that from looking at the code and the address in my browser window

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sphery:

the address in your browser window uses the Unix time, which is supposed to be in UTC

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bobshaffer:

the url is /pl/stream/1059/1268121600, but the row for that recording matces chanid=1059 AND starttime=FROM_UNIXTIME(1268121600 – 3600*5)

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sphery:

right, MythWeb does the conversion

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bobshaffer:

it's not doing it right, for whatever reason

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bobshaffer:

i suspect a configuration problem

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sphery:

bobshaffer: OK, let's fix your sys config, then. In /etc/php.ini (or /etc/php/php.ini), add the line: date.timezone = America/Chicago (or whatever)

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sphery:

or if the setting already exists uncommented, change it to the appropriate zone

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sphery:

then after you do that, do: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e 'TRUNCATE TABLE mythweb_sessions;'

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bobshaffer:

i would it be possible to set that *only* for the mythtv vhost?

[17:47:09]

bobshaffer:

mythweb vhost i mean

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sphery:

no idea

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sphery:

oh, and you'll have to restart apache after setting it

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bobshaffer:

i wouldn't want to change the timezone for all of them

[17:47:43]

bobshaffer:

reload config, but yeah

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sphery:

at this point, just try it, then if it doesn't work, there's something else going on, so you can set it back

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justinh:

whee another 5 binliners full of junk gone from the computer room. where does it all come from?!

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bobshaffer:

phpinfo() reports the local timezone

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sphery:

bobshaffer: It turns out that mysql does the local time conversion for the streaming, so if it is a time zone issue, you have a MySQL server misconfiguration.

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bobshaffer:

for that vhost

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bobshaffer:

alright, i'll look into that

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sphery:

bobshaffer: SELECT @@system_time_zone, @@global.time_zone, @@session.time_zone;

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wagnerrp:

what is in a perl variable if you my/our it, but dont save anything to it?

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bobshaffer:

sphery: says GMT, SYSTEM, SYSTEM

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8206 <- nice description

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bobshaffer:

so the server one is correct for sure

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bobshaffer:

seems session.time_zone isn't being set

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jarle:

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sphery:

but system_time_zone is set to GMT and that's being used everywhere

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Beirdo:

dangit

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Beirdo:

wonder WHERE in PR cgabriel is

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sphery:

bobshaffer: if you're in America/Chicago, you need to configure MySQL to know that

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Beirdo:

of course... had to login to IRC while I was driving from Moca to Dorado :)

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bobshaffer:

well the system *is* and *should be* GMT

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wagnerrp:

jarle: 0.22 or later will not use qt3 for anything

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sphery:

bobshaffer: that's the system's local time, not the value stored in the RTC

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wagnerrp:

however you may still need the qt3support built into qt4

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sphery:

are you saying you actually live in a location where GMT is the desired time zone and that you have MythTV set up to use GMT?

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wagnerrp:

considering you use roadrunner, that is not likely

[17:58:37]

bobshaffer:

other than the client telling mysql what timezone it wants mysql to use, how would mysql be able to guess anything other than the system time zone?

[17:59:14]

bobshaffer:

unless you can set a zone on a per-database basis or something

[17:59:15]

sphery:

what I'm saying is that you have MySQL configured to use GMT, so when it does a FROM_UNIXTIME, it gives you the date/time in GMT

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bobshaffer:

of course, but myth doesn't use gmt

[17:59:52]

bobshaffer:

and that's the problem

[18:00:01]

sphery:

/should/ myth be using GMT?

[18:00:18]

sphery:

if not, you have to either a) change your MySQL or b) don't use MythWeb's streaming

[18:00:25]

bobshaffer:

in some places, mythweb lets mysql do the conversion, in others it uses localtime functions, and then it fails

[18:00:39]

** sphery doesn't understand why people run multiple parts of a MythTV system with different configured time zones **

[18:00:56]

bobshaffer:

mysql isn't part of mythtv

[18:01:02]

bobshaffer:

mythtv uses mysql

[18:01:12]

bobshaffer:

along with a shitload of other programs

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sphery:

If it's hosting the mythconverg database it /is/ part of a MythTV *system*

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wagnerrp:

why would you want your system configured to use anything other than local time?

[18:01:48]

sphery:

If you don't want to change your (broken) MySQL config, then set up a new MySQL server for use only by MythTV

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sphery:

MythTV requires that the MySQL server be set to know the local time

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wagnerrp:

the only thing that should be GMT is the hardware clock

[18:02:26]

sphery:

agreed

[18:02:26]

gbee:

unless you live in the UK

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gbee:

...

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sphery:

:)

[18:02:39]

wagnerrp:

gbee: well then its still the local time

[18:02:45]

wagnerrp:

dont you people use DST too?

[18:03:00]

gbee:

for 6 months of the year :)

[18:03:03]

justinh:

sadly yes

[18:03:13]

jarle:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.ca/1846855 (mythtv compiles just fine, only the plugins fail to build)

[18:03:18]

justinh:

when sanity is regained we'll use only GMT

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sphery:

so that means you'd use BST/BDT

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wagnerrp:

i didnt think GMT observed DST

[18:03:35]

** gbee doesn't understand why exactly **

[18:03:39]

** sphery wants DST to die **

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gbee:

GMT/BST

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justinh:

something to do with farmers apparently

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sphery:

Here in the US, it's meant "to save power costs" because people won't have to use their lights as much

[18:04:28]

justinh:

they need longer days to make it easier to torch their outbuildings for insurance money, or something

[18:04:29]

sphery:

and we all know that light bulbs suck energy--unlike air conditioning

[18:04:32]

wagnerrp:

mytharchive shouldnt be pulling in qt3 includes

[18:04:32]

gbee:

justinh: aye, I've heard the justification, but I certainly don't understand it, never made any sense

[18:05:01]

jarle:

wagnerrp: (and NO qt4 includes)

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wagnerrp:

how did you configure?

[18:05:19]

justinh:

jarle: sure you've got a good checkout?

[18:05:20]

sphery:

jarle: you haven't set up your qmake/PATH properly

[18:05:29]

AndyCap:

they should stop messing with the clock and just change the start time of events they want to influence. like say, starting work.

[18:05:48]

sphery:

jarle: mythtv package will work around messed up configs that try to default to Qt3. I wouldn't be surprised if mythplugins doesn't.

[18:06:04]

justinh:

AndyCap: ooo controversial, talking sense!

[18:06:27]

jarle:

sphery: first I ran configure without any options, (then is used qmake-qt3) (which was set as default)

[18:06:27]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: or maybe they just need to stop tinkering, and let people continue their normal routine

[18:06:59]

sphery:

And, really, time zones should die, too... Everyone should just use UTC. I'll have breakfast at noon and dinner at midnight.

[18:06:59]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: that's just crazytalk.

[18:07:35]

AndyCap:

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=117 :P

[18:07:37]

jarle:

guess I need to clean up my checkout, will a make distclean suffice?

[18:07:38]

gbee:

damn French and their UTC bullcrap

[18:07:42]

sphery:

(though the term midnight would have to change to accomodate the fact that it may not be night :)

[18:08:10]

wagnerrp:

sphery: did the stuff ever go in to ensure a livetv session closed if the frontend disconnected?

[18:08:11]

AndyCap:

dunno, midnight would just be at a different walltime

[18:08:37]

sphery:

jarle: you'll have to do: make distclean; find . -name 'Makefile' -delete && svn revert -R .

[18:09:02]

AndyCap:

this crap will have to go anyway if we ever colonize another planet.

[18:09:05]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I don't remember anything (more than what went in about 0.20 timeframe) for that.

[18:09:24]

wagnerrp:

i just remember some discussion a week or two ago in #mythtv

[18:09:36]

sphery:

AndyCap: exactly. We should do like Star Trek and use stardates--which people just made up and have no meaning to anyone.

[18:09:38]

wagnerrp:

and theres a email on -users asking about sucj

[18:10:05]

sphery:

I don't remember the discussion

[18:10:14]

jarle:

sphery: or just do a new checkout?

[18:10:26]

sphery:

jarle: just clean it up... It works fine :)

[18:10:50]

sphery:

and saves some bandwidth for the kind folks at OSU who donate their bandwidth to our project

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jarle:

sphery: I guess maybe mythtv has been compiled using make-qt3, as this was set to default. will this make any trouble for me?

[18:12:07]

sphery:

mythtv 0.22+ won't compile with qt3

[18:12:27]

sphery:

so the auto-fix-up-the-qmake-stuff must have worked

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jarle:

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gbee:

jarle: are you doing anything other than "configure; make; make install" ?

[18:14:34]

jarle:

sphery: the make distclean stuff should be run from within the mythplugins dir, correct?

[18:14:41]

sphery:

right

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sphery:

it might fail

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sphery:

depending on how far configure/qmake stuff got

[18:15:31]

sphery:

that's why I used a ; instead of a && for that one

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jarle:

gbee: no, it worked fine for mythtv, but for some reason mythplugins tried using qt3 (as qmake was set to qmake-qt3 at my system)

[18:16:30]

** sphery wants people to stop "fixing" the hack of Flash support in MythWeb and just take the time to do it right **

[18:17:32]

gbee:

plugins should automatically use the config.pro from the mythtv build ... is the mythplugins directory in the same place as the mythtv one?

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sphery:

gbee: I don't think we've copied the "figure out when the system is configured to use qt3 by default and correct it" code from mythtv's configure into mythplugins

[18:18:01]

sphery:

but then again, it may not need it... :)

[18:18:41]

jarle:

gbee: yes, it a standard svn checkout of 0.22-fixes

[18:19:12]

gbee:

sphery: I don't think we need to, but maybe there's an omission somewhere, we certainly pull things like --arch from the mythtv config so it should be the same for the qmake path

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sphery:

gbee: wouldn't http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . nfigure#L504 make it use whichever qmake is first in PATH?

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gbee:

that particular line is just echoing to stdout

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sphery:

ahhh

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gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . nfigure#L317

[18:22:05]

gbee:

it is testing that we're using the right qmake

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sphery:

hmmm... we do have the is_qmake4 check...

[18:22:13]

sphery:

yeah, just found that

[18:22:26]

sphery:

So, I have no idea why it would be using qmake-qt3

[18:22:59]

sphery:

unless it doesn't do that in 0.22-fixes and jarle is using 0.22-fixes

[18:23:29]

sphery:

seems to do it there, too

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jarle:

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sphery:

jarle: what do you get from qmake --version ?

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jarle:

QMake version 2.01a

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cgabriel:

Wagnerrp can you help me get the drivers for a Philips Semiconductors SAA7131/SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder [1131:7133] (rev f0), i just want to try it until i get the digital tuner that support ATSC, in the mean while i use the converter box to get the chanels.

[18:30:10]

wagnerrp:

beirdo: still around?

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jarle:

but this is after fixing it so that /usr/bin/qmake points to qmake-qt4

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wagnerrp:

cgabriel: i have no experience with getting framegrabbers working under linux

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cgabriel:

:-(

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sphery:

jarle: in a terminal where you haven't changed the PATH--and all lines, please :)

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cgabriel:

ok thnx...

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wagnerrp:

you said the card wasnt even recognized by lspci though

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cgabriel:

now it is

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cgabriel:

i change it to another PCI Bus

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AndyCap:

cgabriel: well, if it is recognized by your computer now, it should probably just work.

[18:32:28]

AndyCap:

cgabriel: I think the driver is in recent kernels.

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AndyCap:

cgabriel: run lsmod in a terminal and see if you see a module starting with saa71...

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cgabriel:

ok

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jarle:

sphery: Qmake version: 1.07a (Qt 3.3.8b)

[18:33:33]

sphery:

and no other lines on it?

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sphery:

if so, that should fail the is_qmake4 test, so I don't know why it would allow you to get past configure

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cgabriel:

AndyCap, yes it is saa7134

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cgabriel:

and saa7134_alsa

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AndyCap:

ideally, you should have a device /dev/video0 and tvtime or some other app should work

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jarle:

sphery: there is a linebreak after )

[18:35:15]

sphery:

hmmm... that won't matter.

[18:35:16]

jarle:

sphery: those are the only two lines

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sphery:

thanks for checking, though

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AndyCap:

cgabriel: then you could set it up as a video4linux capture card in mythtv, but don't know how you set up a channelchanging script and all that

[18:35:53]

sphery:

I don't know why it didn't stop configure

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jarle:

sphery: now I just have to try remembering how to configure mysql for mythtv :)

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cgabriel:

AndyCap: "a device /dev/video0 and tvtime or some other app should work"???

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wagnerrp:

cgabriel: if the drivers installed properly, you should see a /dev/video0

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wagnerrp:

at which point V4L applications like tvtime shoudl work

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cgabriel:

whare can i see "/dev/video0"

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wagnerrp:

/dev/video0

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AndyCap:

cgabriel: in a terminal run ls /dev/video*

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cgabriel:

ok i just did and is like bold or a shadow on it

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cgabriel:

so what i do now

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cgabriel:

?

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wagnerrp:

it means the driver is installed, and the tuner recognized

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cgabriel:

ohh, sorry...

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AndyCap:

cgabriel: it means it's time to test some sort of tv viewing application. like tvtime

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cgabriel:

ok im onit

[18:42:30]

cgabriel:

is intalling

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cgabriel:

AndyCap: broadcast, i should choose, right?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Did you see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/428041#428041 ? Now we have a bash script to replace MythArchive. iamlindoro will be so happy.

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AndyCap:

cgabriel: arent you using a video cable?

[18:44:55]

AndyCap:

or am I misunderstanding how these converter boxes work

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cgabriel:

nope im just gonna get the regular channels... no dish, or cable tv

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wagnerrp:

the boxes receive antenna, and output either svideo or RF

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wagnerrp:

ideally, he would connect with svideo

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wagnerrp:

and set the input as such

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dustybin:

2TB drives are now affordable :D

[18:45:53]

cgabriel:

converter boxes covert the digital signal into a analog one

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wagnerrp:

sphery: amazing... whats with this recent resurgence of bash?

[18:46:38]

sphery:

dustybin: I'll be replacing another (non-Myth) drive with a 2TB drive (that will go into my Myth box in place of a 750GB HDD and the 750 to the non-Myth box) since they're the ones to buy, now.

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** sphery has no idea what he'll do with 750GB on a non-Myth box **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: good question...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, im going to have 9 of em come a couple months when i finally break down and upgrade my array

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dustybin:

the seagate LP series sound excellent, low power and cheap

[18:47:33]

sphery:

9 750's?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

7+2

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sphery:

On most all of my systems 20GB is plenty.

[18:48:11]

sphery:

Only my file server and Myth can benefit from larger

[18:48:27]

sphery:

on all the others, the extra space just becomes temp/scratch space

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wagnerrp:

my server runs a lot of crap, but my individual machines are running off a 5GB disk image

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wagnerrp:

and theyre nowhere near full

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sphery:

yeah... the 20GB is with a lot of extra space--even with a full debug build of the entire distro

[18:49:14]

** dustybin dreams of a Seagate Barracuda LP 2TB SATA **

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sphery:

gives me a good 6GB--so enough, even, to compile a new Qt4

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** wagnerrp has a seagate barracuda lp 2tb sata **

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sphery:

and that's with a 2GB swap partition, too

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: wow? how does it perform? can you use those LP drives in RAID / LVM configurations?

[18:49:56]

wagnerrp:

sphery: at least this 'mytharchive replacement' is what bash scripts should be

[18:50:04]

wagnerrp:

small, short, and only doing a limited amount

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sphery:

yeah, it's not absurd, like some we've seen

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: works fine for my purposes

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wagnerrp:

why wouldnt you be able to put a drive in a RAID?

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AndyCap:

cgabriel: yeah, but do you select channels on your tv or on the converter box?

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wagnerrp:

i just use it for mobile storage for my thesis

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: the WD Caviar greens have issues when put in RAID because of aggressive spin downs

[18:51:06]

wagnerrp:

no it doesnt, because the drive doesnt control spin down

[18:51:11]

wagnerrp:

the OS tells the drive when it can spin down

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cgabriel:

AndyCap: i just put the box converter to scan for channels and that's it...

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wagnerrp:

anyway, its just a single drive in a esata/usb box, thats easily removable so i can load it into the hotswap bays at work

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cgabriel:

AndyCap: basically the channels are stored on the box.

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AndyCap:

cgabriel: well. then you need to control the box with a ir transmitter or something if you want mythtv to be a workable solution

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cgabriel:

AndyCap: yeah thats how usually is doen in a TV, but Wagnerrp, suggested to use TVTime

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: suggested to use tvtime

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cgabriel:

yeah

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AndyCap:

cgabriel: tvtime is fine for testing and viewing live tv

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AndyCap:

so if you don't want recording you're done. :P

[18:55:58]

cgabriel:

AndyCap: that's what i just downloaded

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noaXess_kubuntu:

i have this in my /etc/fstab: /dev/sdb1 /home/thomi/mythtv auto nouser,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 2

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cgabriel:

AndyCap: i want the recording, i just want to test to see if it picks up anything and then move on to MythTv

[18:57:03]

noaXess_kubuntu:

on a boot, it can't be accessed.. any idea? if i comment out this line in fstab, reboot and mount ddb1 manually with sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /home/thomi/mythtv it works fine

[18:57:13]

noaXess_kubuntu:

by the way.. hi all ;)

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wagnerrp:

is that a space after 'nouser'?

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dustybin:

this will be my future server / backend: http://paste.debian.net/65041/plain/65041

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noaXess_kubuntu:

wagnerrp: let me check

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sphery:

dustybin: great choice on PSU

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dustybin:

:D

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sphery:

80 PLUS ftw!

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noaXess_kubuntu:

wagnerrp: it's a comma..

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noaXess_kubuntu:

wagnerrp: before nouser is a space

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wagnerrp:

youre going to be running mythbackend on centos? or debian?

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dustybin:

no, backend will run on the host

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wagnerrp:

poor choice

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dustybin:

why?

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wagnerrp:

debian doesnt like providing some of the required packages of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

namely liblame

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: ive got .22 compiled here fine

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cgabriel:

AndyCap & Wagnerrp: thanks for all your help... got's to turn off and try see if it works!

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bobshaffer:

so not using the local time zone for every server on my network makes my configuration broken, but inconsitently handling time zone conversions isn't. am i understanding this all right?

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sphery:

bobshaffer: It makes your configuration unsupported--and parts of MythTV won't work. Feel free to do the work to convert all of MythTV (protocol, database, programs--including mythbackend, mythfrontend, mythfilldatabase, etc.) to use UTC. Many would appreciate the patch.

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sphery:

bobshaffer: the current MythTV requires that all systems running parts of MythTV (including the database) be configured with the same time zone

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wagnerrp:

would it be better to go to UTC, or epochtime?

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bobshaffer:

mythweb is the first thing that hasn't worked properly

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sphery:

MythWeb is the one thing that works when the system isn't configured that way.

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sphery:

The streaming, however, won't.

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bobshaffer:

that is easily fixed, too

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bobshaffer:

except idk what's up with the flash player

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I don't know... I don't really see any difference either way.

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wagnerrp:

the latter would prevent these people from using bash to manage recordings

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

though you could use date to go to epoch time: date +'%s'

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wagnerrp:

yeah... didnt know about date

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wagnerrp:

was actually thinking they would just start adding spurious mysql queries to do the conversion

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sphery:

speaking of bash... how's your bashish?

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wagnerrp:

not bad, havent used it much recently though

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wagnerrp:

why?

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sphery:

So, can you figure out how I can turn this into a nice single pipeline?

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sphery:

WIDTH=1920; HEIGHT=1080; echo -ne "P6\n$WIDTH $HEIGHT\n255\n" > background.ppm ; for row in `seq 1 $HEIGHT`; do dd if=/dev/urandom conv=notrunc oflag=append of=background.ppm bs=$WIDTH count=3 > /dev/null 2>&1 ; echo -ne "\n" >> background.ppm ; done && convert background.ppm background.png ; unset WIDTH HEIGHT

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AndyCap:

bashish? http://bashish.sourceforge.net/ :P

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sphery:

It's what I want iamlindoro to use for his next theme's background. :)

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AndyCap:

random?

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wagnerrp:

hah

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sphery:

basically, have to output the header (echo -ne "P6\n$WIDTH $HEIGHT\n255\n") followed by $HEIGHT rows of $WIDTH * 3 bytes

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wagnerrp:

'my background is all garbled, can you send me the real one?'

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sphery:

if I could get that all in a single pipeline, I could just pipe it to convert

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bobshaffer:

just adding a query to set session timezone fixes streaming too

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sphery:

AndyCap: yeah, takes garbage from urandom... It's actually kind of cool looking--looks like one of those 3D pictures

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sphery:

I can just imagine everyone crossing their eyes and looking at Myth... :)

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AndyCap:

I'd think you'd be less annoying with an actual SIRDS

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AndyCap:

:P

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wagnerrp:

look, its a schooner!

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AndyCap:

sphery: look for FizzBuzz in bash?

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AndyCap:

or run loop in a (subshell) | convert?

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bobshaffer:

but that doesn't fix the flowplayer error either

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** sphery had forgotten the name of SIRDS **

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AndyCap:

or ick, a custom format for hexdump. :P

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bobshaffer:

directly opening the stream with /pl/stream/chanid/unixtime.flv does work, though

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sphery:

AndyCap: I'd like to do it without the loop--just a dd if=/dev/urandom bs=$(( $WIDTH * 3 * $HEIGHT )) count=1

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sphery:

AndyCap: and somehow stick the whitespace (linefeeds, ideally) in after every $WIDTH * 3 bytes

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AndyCap:

hmm, don't remember ppm, does it actually need whitespace?

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sphery:

has to have some whitespace after each line

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AndyCap:

ah looks like it

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sphery:

generally the linefeed is used

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sphery:

I considered an awk with BEGIN for header and grabbing bytes from stdin and outputting (with proper linefeeds) to stdout, but couldn't figure out how to do it nicely

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wagnerrp:

sphery: any reason why you cant just use colons as you are already?

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sphery:

same idea for stream

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wagnerrp:

why do you need only pipes

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sphery:

just wanted to find a more elegant solution

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wagnerrp:

'elegent'

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sphery:

like the idea of a single dd

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sphery:

but my normal tools--sed and awk--aren't ideal for this

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sphery:

guess I could use perl, but...

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clever:

sphery: you can probly use a subshell, (....) | convert

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clever:

or was it {}

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AndyCap:

WIDTH=640; HEIGHT=480; echo -ne "P6\n$WIDTH $HEIGHT\n255\n" ; for row in `seq 1 $HEIGHT`; do dd if=/dev/urandom conv=notrunc oflag=append bs=$WIDTH count=3 ; echo -ne "\n" ; done )| convert – background.png

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AndyCap:

doh

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AndyCap:

(WIDTH=640; HEIGHT=480; echo -ne "P6\n$WIDTH $HEIGHT\n255\n" ; for row in `seq 1 $HEIGHT`; do dd if=/dev/urandom conv=notrunc oflag=append bs=$WIDTH count=3 ; echo -ne "\n" ; done )| convert – background.png

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AndyCap:

dunno why it dropped off the (

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AndyCap:

oh, and you'd want a 2> /dev/null after dd still I guess

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clever:

sphery: i see a patern!!!

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clever:

there is a very clean diagonal line

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sphery:

clever: yeah... it's funny

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sphery:

clever: what if you use /dev/random ? is it less patterned?

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clever:

thats because your using urandom

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clever:

let me try

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AndyCap:

mine's not

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clever:

though it will be alot slower

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sphery:

I think it's the pseudo-random nature of the input that's the real issue

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clever:

yeah

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sphery:

clever: just get that mouse moving... :)

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wagnerrp:

if you use /dev/random, it fails, because you ran out of entropy and its blocking

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clever:

by using random and not urandom, your forcing it to wait for more randomness

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AndyCap:

you can't get 1920x1080 from urandom

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clever:

sphery: no mouse on that pc

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sphery:

it fails or it just waits?

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clever:

wagnerrp: it doesnt exactly fail, it just takes a long time

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the latter

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clever:

so far its 600 bytes out of 6mb

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sphery:

clever: heh, might take a while :)

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wagnerrp:

but just imagine the threads on the mailing list when mythtv takes 2 hours to load

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AndyCap:

and if you guys are seeing patterns in this perhaps you should check if you have your pixelmapping set up correctly

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sphery:

heh, no, I'm sure you'd just run it once

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AndyCap:

or get an eye exam.

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sphery:

then ship out the png

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wagnerrp:

sphery: add it into the Makefile

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AndyCap:

hmm, maybe I should code up pascals triangle

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clever:

AndyCap: it feels like something is repeating every 1950 pixels

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh... "My build seems to have stopped. The CPU isn't doing anything." Re: -> "Just move your mouse around /really/ fast!"

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clever:

sphery: i beleive any IRQ will do it, network, hdd, keyboard, mouse

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wagnerrp:

you always run the risk of someone randomly generating porn

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clever:

yeah, there is a one in a million chance of it producing porn

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh... that would be be funny

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clever:

2kb out of 6mb

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** sphery thinks it might be less than a 1:1,000,000 chance :) **

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clever:

going to let it run all day and see what i get

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wagnerrp:

oh, i think its a far better chance than that of someone arbitrarily spotting a penis in the random noise

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wagnerrp:

now that ive mentioned it, and youre thinking it

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

the odds of you seeing it just went up considerably

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AndyCap:

seriously though. if that script makes consistent patterns for you, you should investigate your display setup

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clever:

wagnerrp: the odd's are better that 3 porn stars will fall out of a plane and land on my couch:P

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AndyCap:

like if I turn on overscan I get instant moire

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wagnerrp:

weve got some pretty disturbed users... sphery found a mythsexx yesterday

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[R]:

i think that's call necrophilia (well you know... they'll be dead if they fall out of a plane)

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clever:

AndyCap: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/mythtv/ . . . 2.png/_full_

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clever:

AndyCap: starting right at the top left corner and going diagonaly from there

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clever:

[R]: they might have parachutes

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

man, you need some better compression for that image

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clever:

the chances of that are still better then this script making porn :P

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clever:

wagnerrp: any compression would ruin the artifacts in the image

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wagnerrp:

when i cross my eyes, it reads 'kill them all'

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clever:

i dont think its a problem with my display

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clever:

when i pann across the image the artifact moves

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wagnerrp:

i dont see any sort of pattern

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clever:

its a line on the left side

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AndyCap:

I can't say I see any pattern in the piece of image I've gotten downloaded

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clever:

starting in the very topleft corner

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clever:

just wait for it to finish

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sphery:

I see a hint of a line

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wagnerrp:

nope, ive got nothing

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sphery:

only if I "step back"

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AndyCap:

clever: http://pixelmapping.wikispaces.com/Pixel+mapping+explained

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AndyCap:

try this.

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clever:

the laptop is at its native res

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sphery:

going at about 150deg or so

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clever:

sphery: yeah, that sounds about right

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AndyCap:

anyone see spacecadets? :)

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AndyCap:

testing how suggestible the participants were.

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wagnerrp:

if i look for a line, i can fool myself into thinking there is a line

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wagnerrp:

but i dont see any sort of real pattern there

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clever:

AndyCap: the screen is at 1440x900

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AndyCap:

clever: so generate a 1440x900 image then, or at least view the image with no scaling

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clever:

i am viewing it without scaling

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clever:

as i said, i have to pan to see the entire thing

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AndyCap:

anyhow, there is no spoon

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wagnerrp:

SPOOON!

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clever:

the line looks black

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wagnerrp:

arthur, where are your wings?

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sphery:

well, it's not bash, but...

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sphery:

dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1M | perl -e '$width=1920; $height=1080; print "P6\n$width $height\n255\n"; $row_length = $width * 3; for ($row_num = 0; $row_num < $height; $row_num++) { read(STDIN, $row, $row_length); print "$row\n"; }' | convert ppm:- background.png

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sphery:

shorter than before

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sphery:

hey, I'm getting the same black line

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clever:

it might be the code, is there supposed to be a marker at the end of each line?

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sphery:

yeah, PPM requires whitespace after a row

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sphery:

http://netpbm.sourceforge.net/doc/ppm.html

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clever:

brb

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sphery:

clever: I think it is the linefeed... It works without the linefeed and gives no line, so we can simplify it down to:

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sphery:

dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1M | perl -e '$width=1920; $height=1080; print "P6\n$width $height\n255\n"; read(STDIN, $pixels, $width * $height * 3); print $pixels;' | convert ppm:- background.png

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k-man:

does mythtv work with mysql 5.1?

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sphery:

k-man: yep

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k-man:

thanks sphery

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sphery:

k-man: but not with MySQL strict mode (which is enabled by default on Windows, but not *nix)

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sphery:

clever: so that means there was something every 1920 1/3 pixels, so it created a line going from 0,0 to 1080,360

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sphery:

strange that it was black, though, since it only blacked (val 10 of 255, so almost black) one of the RGB colors

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sphery:

So, it seems I completely misinterpreted "A raster of Height rows, in order from top to bottom. Each row consists of Width pixels, in order from left to right. Each pixel is a triplet of red, green, and blue samples, in that order. Each sample is represented in pure binary by either 1 or 2 bytes. If the Maxval is less than 256, it is 1 byte. Otherwise, it is 2 bytes. The most significant byte is first. "

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sphery:

I thought they meant the rows were somehow separated

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sphery:

clever: thanks for finding my bug :)

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AndyCap:

Hmm, I guess the good news was that I'm not crazy and pnm didn't need a line feed. but I do have trouble spotting the line

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AndyCap:

sphery: (WIDTH=1920; HEIGHT=1080; echo -ne "P6\n$WIDTH $HEIGHT\n255\n" ; dd if=/dev/urandom count=$HEIGHT bs=$(($WIDTH*3)) 2> /dev/null )| convert – background.png

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sphery:

heh... Guess that means I'm the crazy one

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sphery:

AndyCap: nice

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AndyCap:

used pnm a while ago to plot some data, but I'm a little hazy on the details.

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sphery:

Is PNM different from PPM

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sphery:

The PNM format is just an abstraction of the PBM, PGM, and PPM formats

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sphery:

nvm

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AndyCap:

I guess I should say netpbm

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sphery:

yeah, what you said was right--I just didn't know PNM

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matmat:

hello

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sphery:

hello

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matmat:

me know what that means

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matmat:

can i make use of my full featured dvb-s card to decode dvb-ipi?

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matmat:

its an h.264 stream

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to, and in fact cant use a full featured card to decode in mythtv

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matmat:

oh

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matmat:

thats very disappointing

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wagnerrp:

why?

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matmat:

my computer is too slow

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matmat:

to decode

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wagnerrp:

'full featured' decoders are rather lacking when it comes to displaying anything but the video they support

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wagnerrp:

theyre crap for OSDs (if they even support them)

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wagnerrp:

upgrade your computer, or buy a recent nVidia card with hardware decoding

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matmat:

ya

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matmat:

trying to avoid that was the reason why i came here

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wagnerrp:

generally, your 'full featured' cards would only support standard definition anyway

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wagnerrp:

which is fairly trivial on modern hardware

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wagnerrp:

any late model athlon xp or p4 should be able to do standard definition h264

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matmat:

got a single core athlon 1,6ghz

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wagnerrp:

xp or 64?

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matmat:

hm not sure

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matmat:

brb, will go check

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AndyCap:

has anyone made a "full-featured" dvb card with h.264?

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matmat:

can i tell from the clocking?

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wagnerrp:

you dont know what your computer is?

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matmat:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

how old is this processor?

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matmat:

not sure, couple years

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wagnerrp:

like... 2000–2004 era? or 2005+?

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matmat:

rather 2005+

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AndyCap:

should be able to tell from cat /proc/cpuinfo ?

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matmat:

nothing installed yet

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wagnerrp:

so youre not using mythtv, or even linux

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wagnerrp:

how do you know your computer is not powerful enough to play it?

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** dustybin steals wagnerrp seagate **

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wagnerrp:

it would be cheaper to just buy one, than to shell out for air fare

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dustybin:

aye true

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matmat:

not sure if its too slow. i was running vdr with the full featured card, that worked until the hd died a few months ago. but i was planning to run mythtv backend and some other things on it now

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matmat:

anyways

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matmat:

youre right, i should go hd

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wagnerrp:

thats not what im saying, im saying anything a full-featured card is capable of decoding is fairly trivial in software anyway

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matmat:

yeah well

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matmat:

you didnt say that, i just concluded it :}

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matmat:

if i get a decent graphic card, what would i need to decode hd in terms of CPU ?

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wagnerrp:

if you want to decode in software, that depends entirely on your content

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wagnerrp:

theres a wide range of HD, its not a single target

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wagnerrp:

if you want to decode in hardware, you get a card that supports VDPAU, and youre done

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wagnerrp:

of course that stipulates that you have content decodable by the hardware decoder

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matmat:

its an athlon xp2000+

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt expect more than 3–4mbps h264 out of that chip

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jarle:

How does the mythtv ./configure figure out if it should include DVB-S2 support or not? (somehow it says 'no' here??)

[21:26:49]

wagnerrp:

jarle: i believe its 'no' by default

[21:26:49]

matmat:

that doesnt exactly sound like the kind of hd i had in mind

[21:26:51]

wagnerrp:

you have to enable it

[21:27:39]

wagnerrp:

matmat: no, decent HD in h264 starts at about double that

[21:27:46]

matmat:

the iptv here has 9mbit or so

[21:27:50]

matmat:

hd i mean

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jarle:

wagnerrp: ./configure --help does not seem to have any dvb-s2 options?

[21:28:44]

wagnerrp:

dont know what to tell you, ive never used any form of DVB

[21:29:12]

jarle:

wagnerrp: I'll ask ggogle then..

[21:29:17]

jarle:

google..

[21:29:53]

matmat:

youve never used dvb? does that mean you watch analogue tv?

[21:30:12]

wagnerrp:

no, we dont have DVB over here

[21:31:12]

matmat:

where you at?

[21:31:17]

wagnerrp:

the US

[21:31:41]

matmat:

hmm

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sphery:

jarle: DVB-S2 is automatically enabled if your DVB headers (linux/dvb/frontend.h) have FE_CAN_2G_MODULATION defined to say DVB-S2 is supported.

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jarle:

sphery: hmm... I'm running 2.6.28-11-generic and thought dvb-s2 support was included in the kernel?

[22:07:23]

Beirdo:

wow

[22:07:28]

Beirdo:

589 books

[22:08:55]

wagnerrp:

?

[22:08:59]

matmat:

how many of those are hard covers

[22:09:26]

Beirdo:

maybe 150 are hardcover

[22:09:33]

wagnerrp:

thats how many you have?

[22:09:34]

Beirdo:

I'm tired of packing :)

[22:09:37]

Beirdo:

yup

[22:09:40]

wagnerrp:

ah

[22:09:57]

wagnerrp:

do game and hardware manuals count?

[22:10:04]

Beirdo:

made a little rails app, used my barcode scanner to enter the ISBNs into a database cataloged by box #

[22:10:07]

matmat:

definitely not

[22:10:09]

Beirdo:

haha

[22:10:20]

Beirdo:

I haven't counted the technical books

[22:10:33]

Beirdo:

those are all novels... mosty mystery/crime/spy

[22:10:36]

AndyCap:

any suggestions for a database or service for dvd's / blurays?

[22:10:46]

wagnerrp:

mythvideo?

[22:10:55]

Beirdo:

mysql? :)

[22:11:02]

matmat:

are you moving?

[22:11:10]

Beirdo:

that's the plan

[22:11:15]

wagnerrp:

have you even gotten an offer yet?

[22:11:21]

Beirdo:

gotta get the job offer in my frigging hand

[22:11:33]

matmat:

get rid of some dude

[22:11:37]

AndyCap:

well, I have a shelf full of dvd's a barcode reader and looking for a solution. :P

[22:11:38]

wagnerrp:

figured i should ask

[22:11:47]

Beirdo:

not yet. Monday is the latest... HR girl has the flu

[22:11:59]

Beirdo:

AndyCap: to google you go then

[22:12:54]

Beirdo:

yeah, the offer's not here yet, but there's no harm in packing anyways :)

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Beirdo:

USPS is gonna love me

[22:13:24]

Beirdo:

media mail FTW

[22:13:35]

wagnerrp:

hah

[22:14:03]

Beirdo:

jeez

[22:14:06]

wagnerrp:

i have to imagine theres a cheaper way to do that

[22:14:09]

Beirdo:

about $21/box

[22:14:15]

Beirdo:

not likely :)

[22:14:21]

matmat:

theres a cheaper way

[22:14:22]

wagnerrp:

$21/box, no weight limit?

[22:14:25]

Beirdo:

the boxes are 50lb or so

[22:14:35]

Beirdo:

$21 is the rate for 50lb

[22:14:38]

wagnerrp:

USPS is gonna hate you

[22:14:39]

matmat:

give away half of the crap

[22:14:42]

matmat:

;)

[22:14:43]

Beirdo:

and there are 11 boxes

[22:14:51]

Beirdo:

!trout matmat

[22:14:51]

** MythLogBot slaps matmat with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[22:14:55]

Beirdo:

heh

[22:15:20]

Beirdo:

max per box is 70lb ($29.29)

[22:15:41]

Beirdo:

we shall see

[22:15:47]

wagnerrp:

does themoviedb support barcodes?

[22:15:58]

Beirdo:

no clue

[22:16:10]

Beirdo:

amazon does for lookups

[22:16:19]

Beirdo:

UPC bar codes or ISBN ones

[22:16:50]

Beirdo:

dangit

[22:17:00]

Beirdo:

I forgot to buy bubble wrap at Sam's

[22:17:07]

wagnerrp:

doesnt look like it

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Beirdo:

books don't need padding, but misc computer crap does

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jarle:

every time I install mythtv I run into problems with mysql, shouldn't these settings let me connect from any host? http://pastebin.ca/1847180

[22:19:00]

wagnerrp:

whats with that password?

[22:19:16]

wagnerrp:

oh, thats the crypt pass

[22:19:54]

wagnerrp:

sure, if you have the correct password set, and your sql server is set to listen on the network

[22:19:55]

Beirdo:

jarle: are you trying to connect to the database at localhost, perchance?

[22:19:58]

jarle:

mythtv-setup says "2010-03–20 23:15:16.612 Unable to connect to database!"

[22:20:08]

jarle:

Beirdo: yes

[22:20:12]

Beirdo:

that's why

[22:20:23]

Beirdo:

% in the host does NOT match localhost

[22:20:47]

jarle:

Beirdo: this seems like the same problem I keep running into :)

[22:21:01]

jarle:

Beirdo: so I just add a grant for localhost then?

[22:21:01]

Beirdo:

either add another grant specifically for @localhost, or tell it to use the IP rather than localhost when connecting

[22:21:36]

Beirdo:

beats me why mysql works that way, but it does ;)

[22:22:19]

xand:

localhost doesn't use the network

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xand:

uses a socket

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Beirdo:

yeah, but why shouldn't that match %?

[22:23:02]

xand:

it's just treated differently

[22:23:03]

Beirdo:

not that it matters

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Beirdo:

it doesn't match

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xand:

it matches % against network addresses

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Beirdo:

duh

[22:24:11]

xand:

and localhost is not one

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xand:

I don't know why it works that way

[22:24:23]

Beirdo:

but it could still allow that to match localhost. It was a design decision

[22:25:19]

Beirdo:

wonder (out of curiosity) what UPS would charge to ship these boxes :)

[22:26:02]

** wagnerrp suggests you demand a $15K shipping bonus **

[22:29:41]

Beirdo:

Customs Value?!

[22:29:53]

Beirdo:

hey UPS... it's not international, you freaks!

[22:30:11]

jarle:

Beirdo: uhm, now I am only to connect from localhost, not a remote frontend (using mythbox which is the servers hostname):http://pastebin.ca/1847211 :

[22:30:32]

Beirdo:

then don't connect to the database using localhost

[22:30:35]

Beirdo:

use the IP

[22:30:40]

Beirdo:

always

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sphery:

jarle: it's the system headers that count... i.e. those used to build the libc, not those that are part of the running kernel.

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sphery:

jarle: generally at /usr/include/linux/dvb/frontend.h

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Beirdo:

hahah

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Beirdo:

UPS: $100/box

[22:31:46]

Beirdo:

yeah, I don't think so

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jarle:

sphery: so, what will I need to do to have dvb-s2 in mythtv? I notice that my header contains "S2API" which indicate dvb-s2 support, no?

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sphery:

jarle: you need: FE_CAN_2G_MODULATION = 0x10000000, /* frontend supports "2nd generation modulation" (DVB-S2) */

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sphery:

in /usr/include/linux/dvb/frontend.h

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jarle:

sphery: guess I might have to install video4linux then..

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sphery:

what distro?

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sphery:

is it really old?

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jarle:

Kubuntu 9.04

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Beirdo:

so yes

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sphery:

that should have plenty of support for it

[22:37:13]

Beirdo:

it's a year old... you sure?

[22:37:31]

sphery:

not positive

[22:37:51]

Beirdo:

me neither :) but it's not sparkling new, that's for sure :)

[22:37:57]

sphery:

I don't remember when DVB-S2 went into the mainline kernel, but if your libc was built with a kernel that had DVB-S2, you should be good

[22:38:40]

wagnerrp:

why is token ring support still included in the stock kernel config?

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sphery:

it's a token gesture to appease the old timers

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

no reason to remove it, that's why

[22:40:34]

Beirdo:

I hope it's OFF by default though

[22:40:52]

wagnerrp:

no, its ON

[22:40:57]

wagnerrp:

thats what im questioning

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Beirdo:

!?

[22:41:14]

Beirdo:

maybe Linus' home network is token ring? :)

[22:41:30]

wagnerrp:

support is enabled, but no drivers

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Beirdo:

tha's kinda dumb

[22:42:09]

wagnerrp:

i suppose thats so you can compile your own modules, without having to rebuild the entire kernel to accept them

[22:42:21]

Beirdo:

yup, I'd imagine so

[22:42:34]

Beirdo:

for the 10 people in the world who care

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sphery:

I hear that http://www.linuxtr.net/ has some powerful lobbyists...

[22:43:52]

Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

jarle: anyway, I'd recommend asking someone who knows *buntu whether you'd need to install an upgraded V4L-DVB. Or--if so--you may want to just upgrade your distro to 9.10 (which should have it).

[22:46:04]

sphery:

I'm currently no help on a) figuring out exactly when DVB-S2 went mainline and b) *buntu in general. :(

[22:47:48]

Beirdo:

ah come on

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Beirdo:

no service on my iPhone in this house.

[22:48:08]

Beirdo:

another reason to be moving away

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Beirdo:

bah

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jarle:

sphery: thanks for your help anyway, I had dvb-s2 working just fine with kernel 2.29 before my raid system broke down the other day..

[22:49:00]

jarle:

kernel 2.6.29...

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sphery:

Beirdo: well, if you have high-speed Internet, you can ask AT&T really nicely if you can have a femtocell

[22:50:50]

Beirdo:

hah

[22:51:00]

Beirdo:

or just move to Seattle

[22:51:01]

Beirdo:

heh

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jarle:

Beirdo: mysql is running on mythbox with IP 192.168.1.105 however only "mysql -u mythtv -p" and not "mysql -h 192.168.1.105 -u mythtv -p" or "mysql -h mythbox -u mythtv -p"

[22:53:12]

sphery:

Beirdo: I love that T-Mobile took the approach of using phones with UMA support so that--even though it doesn't work for all cell phones--if you have UMA support in your phone, you can use any wifi connection in place of cell connections (and voice calls switch automatically when you go out of range)

[22:53:35]

jarle:

Beirdo: guess I need to change some access settings somewhere?

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sphery:

even mid-call--and without missing a beat

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xand:

jarle: what is the error message

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jarle:

ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'mythbox' (111)

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xand:

you need to edit my.cnf and enable network

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Beirdo:

blargh

[22:54:35]

Beirdo:

I get signal... try calling the number.. busy.

[22:54:37]

Beirdo:

bah

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xand:

the bind_address setting, jarle

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jarle:

"mysql -u mythtv -p" works just fine

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xand:

sorry, bind-address

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xand:

assuming you're trying to connect to the mysql server from another machine?

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jarle:

xand: this is from the same machine I get the error

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xand:

yes, the same applies

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xand:

comment this line out from /etc/mysql/my.cnf and restart mysql: bind-address = 127.0.0.1

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jarle:

xand: now it works, thnx!

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wagnerrp:

sphery: my mom has a phone like that, sucks a bit more battery but otherwise works great

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Beirdo:

BAH

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Beirdo:

OK, I'm gonna go out and hunt down some food

[23:21:06]

Beirdo:

I don't feel like eating here :)

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Beirdo:

be back in a while

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Saviq:

guys, is setting DiSEQc on DVB-S cards mandatory? I have an LNB connected directly to the card, should I just add one entry of type LNB?

[23:24:19]

sphery:

Saviq: have you looked at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S ? It knows more about DVB-S than I do.

[23:25:05]

jarle:

Saviq: my guess is that you don't need diseqc

[23:25:12]

sphery:

A flowchart for the simplest type of DVB-S setup would be as follows: Receiver or DVB-S card-->Coaxial Cable-->Single LNB

[23:25:50]

Saviq:

sphery: yeah, I have that fine, just asking if setting in Myth is mandatory

[23:26:05]

Saviq:

I'm getting 'DiSEqCDevTree, Error: No root device tree node!' so that suggests yes

[23:26:15]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S#MythTV_Setup seems to imply yes

[23:26:38]

sphery:

since the guy who wrote that entry doesn't have DiSEqC

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marcus__:

don't you only need DiSEqC if you have a switch?

[23:27:39]

** marcus__ only vaguely remembers setting up DVB-S **

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jarle:

hmm.. I have added 5x500GB disks to the standard storage group, still mythtv system status seems to only see one disk?

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wagnerrp:

as separate disks? youre not using some sort of RAID?

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jarle:

or is it just the system status in the frontend that does not support storage groups?

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jarle:

wagnerrp: each disk mounted to a seperate mount point

[23:30:13]

wagnerrp:

you added a folder for each disk? you arent telling mythtv to use a folder that has all those disks mounted in it?

[23:30:50]

jarle:

wagnerrp: no, one disk in each folder:

[23:30:52]

jarle:

/dev/sdb1 466G 4.6M 466G 1% /mnt/1

[23:30:52]

jarle:

/dev/sdc1 466G 4.6M 466G 1% /mnt/2

[23:30:52]

jarle:

/dev/sdd1 466G 4.6M 466G 1% /mnt/3

[23:30:52]

jarle:

/dev/sde1 466G 4.6M 466G 1% /mnt/4

[23:30:52]

jarle:

/dev/sdf1 466G 4.6M 466G 1% /mnt/5

[23:31:25]

wagnerrp:

and then you have folders defined in mythtv-setup like /mnt/1/recordings, /mnt/2/recordings, etc...?

[23:31:33]

clever:

one thing to keep in mind, never point myth directly to /mnt/1

[23:31:39]

clever:

do like wagnerrp just said

[23:32:03]

wagnerrp:

if for whatever reason the file system doesnt mount, not recording directly to the mount root will let mythtv recognize that the disk is not mounted

[23:32:09]

wagnerrp:

and it will not try to record to it

[23:32:26]

wagnerrp:

if it did try to record to it, you might end up in a situation

[23:32:40]

wagnerrp:

where you are recording to a root partition, with only a couple GB of free space

[23:32:44]

clever:

if you lack access to /mnt/1 (because the disk is gone), myth will stupidly try to record to it anyways and spam errors to the log

[23:33:02]

clever:

but if /mnt/1/recordings/ is completely missing, it will try another disk

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jarle:

wagnerrp: I'll have to create the subdirs, thanks for the tip!

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