Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, March 19th, 2010, 00:01 UTC

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sphery:

where's kormoc when you need him? :)

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Beirdo:

in Seattle, I'd bet :)

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iamlindo`:

<Ezun> Man, this IRC rocks!

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iamlindo`:

QOTD

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iamlindo`:

what the

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Beirdo:

augh, I hate apparmor

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wagnerrp:

!seen that_seattle_guy_who_doesnt_understand_open_source

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MythLogBot:

that_seattle_guy_who_doesnt_understand_open_source has not been seen here

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Beirdo:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Where my PythWeb at?

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Beirdo:

!seen PythWeb

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MythLogBot:

PythWeb has not been seen here

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iamlindoro:

curses

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Beirdo:

not here :)

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wagnerrp:

were looking for html, not terminal

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sphery:

iamlindoro: That was actually a user saying thanks to the people who helped him out. I know that it's so uncommon that it's hard to recognize.

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, it's weird... equally weird that I fer people taking a liking to our channel since 80% of them turn into "experts" within hours

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iamlindoro:

er I fear

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Ooh, MythCurses... Command-line app to replace MythWeb.

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Beirdo:

need MythBrains

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iamlindoro:

ZombMyth

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iamlindoro:

Next plugin I write is not going to have the word Myth in it, anywhere

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iamlindoro:

just to break the mold

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Beirdo:

FactWeather

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i was going to say Truth... but close enough

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sphery:

LegendWeather

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sphery:

FolkloreWeather

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Beirdo:

LegendPorn... downloads all the good stuff automatically

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iamlindoro:

I may be in the minority, but I happen to think Mythweather should be atiny widget (like the clock) and a miniplayer

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sphery:

If that's the minority, I'm with you

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sphery:

(even if it's not the minority, I agree)

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Beirdo:

as long as it's readable :)

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wagnerrp:

i dont know.... it would be nice to be able to pull up a mutli-day forcast, or a full screen radar image

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Beirdo:

by tiny you mean code or screen real-estate?

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iamlindoro:

"yes"

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

Ticket #8330: MythWeather is unreadable from 10' away on my 13" B&W CRT TV

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iamlindoro:

should be possible to theme a weather widget onto any screen, and call up a detailed view (where the themer controls which layout you see) in a "miniplayer"

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iamlindoro:

(IMO)

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** sphery wonders why anyone would actually turn on the TV to check the weather **

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iamlindoro:

I could always write "MythAltWeather" :)

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Beirdo:

sphery: because we sit staring at the thing so much we forget we have windows?

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

and of course... for forecasts :)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: that's not the proper naming scheme

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sphery:

it's MythNewWeather

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sphery:

or MythWeatherNG

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iamlindoro:

MWNG for short

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sphery:

then when that's replaced, we have to use some other name

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sphery:

MythNewNewWeather

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Beirdo:

heh

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iamlindoro:

pronounced "Mwing!"

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Beirdo:

MythUberWeather

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sphery:

MythWeatherNNG

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iamlindoro:

pronounced "Moo?"

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Beirdo:

MOOOOO

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Beirdo:

hehe

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MooingLemur:

moo?

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Beirdo:

always

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Beirdo:

moooo!

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** MooingLemur licks Beirdo **

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** MooingLemur runs off **

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sphery:

suddently I feel like watching Madagascar

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

wish I could :)

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Beirdo:

let's see if my machine got un-borked by lucid

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sphery:

If the audio doesn't work, you'll have Silent Lucidity

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

no luck so far

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MooingLemur:

my myth machine is suffering from undiagnosed network slowness :/

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Beirdo:

kiss my canonical

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highzeth:

sphery: ohh nice music pun ;P

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highzeth:

and great track /me queues the unplugged version

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sphery:

I actually like Queensryche, too

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highzeth:

I love em

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highzeth:

I miss a few singles, apart from those, the discography is complete

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Beirdo:

may I scream now?

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sphery:

nice

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sphery:

there he is!

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Beirdo:

kormoc: fix my ubuntu :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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highzeth:

Beirdo: sure, I scream daily, either of joy or frustration, either way, good for you

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Beirdo:

BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!

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Beirdo:

that's how I feel

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Beirdo:

must censor word!

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kormoc:

what happened?

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Beirdo:

still no X

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highzeth:

sorry, I dont read censorship well, cussing is a big part of our everyday lingo ;)

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Beirdo:

went to lucid

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kormoc:

so this is the 'configureless' X?

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Beirdo:

jaunty -> karmic borked it

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Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

and karmic -> lucid (not released yet)... still borked

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iamlindoro:

The thing you must remember to tell yourself is, there is no X

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highzeth:

what gpu?

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Beirdo:

Radeon POS

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highzeth:

heh

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highzeth:

last ati I bought it still in one of my servers, believe it holds 4M of ram

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kormoc:

logs say?

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iamlindoro:

This is #mythtv-users, so now you exerpt one irrelavant line and paste it here

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iamlindoro:

then when corrected about that, you paste the entire log into the channel

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iamlindoro:

except it should be the entire log of a run from december 2006

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kormoc:

defacto policy by now

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iamlindoro:

then after three or four hours, you tell kormoc what a jerk he is, and part

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highzeth:

should change topic for a day to reflect that policy, and see how many toddlers that actually comply

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iamlindoro:

ah, skipped right to the end and parted

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kormoc:

fast track

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Beirdo:

bite me you dumb irssi

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Beirdo:

Dear Canonical...

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Beirdo:

do not make me try gentoo again, you punks

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i thought that was trac

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iamlindoro:

Heh...

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iamlindoro:

"Do not make one more peep. I am being nice and not locking the ticket. Please wait for it to be addressed."

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iamlindoro:

"peep"

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Beirdo:

this stupid startup gives you no indication of what's going on too

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Beirdo:

upstart, you suck

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wagnerrp:

i was talking about sphery's find earlier today, of someone pasting in the text explaining to attach the traceback, rather than paste it in as text into the ticket

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Beirdo:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

ah, heh, didn't see that one

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wagnerrp:

followed by the traceback, pasted in as text, right into the ticket

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Beirdo:

that was pretty funny yes

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sphery:

kormoc: Any idea off the top of your head where the height/width for preview pixmaps in Recorded Programs page comes from? I'm getting 100x75 for all of mine--even though they're 16:9. By forcing Height to 0, I get 100x56 (i.e. the preview generator does proper aspect).

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highzeth:

spamscore rec of the day; 51.611 they are slipping

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sphery:

granted, even then, the page tells Firefox to scale it, but...

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kormoc:

sphery: it's a hold-over from a long time ago, never did get the auto-aspect stuff in place

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kormoc:

sphery: easy enough to change if you're interested

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sphery:

I'm looking, but kind of lost in there, now

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sphery:

can't even find where the 100x75 is set

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wagnerrp:

ah... looks like it was beirdo that found it

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kormoc:

checking...

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wagnerrp:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8014

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sphery:

seems it's the getAspect() that's causing issues

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sphery:

<img src="<?php echo $show->thumb_url(100,0) ?>" width="100" height="<?php echo floor(100 / $show->getAspect()); ?>">

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kormoc:

yup

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wagnerrp:

is there any reason to store the scaled preview images in the recordings folder?

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kormoc:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ded.php#L322

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sphery:

seems to ask for a 0-height one...

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wagnerrp:

i mean if were cleaning that up

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sphery:

but for some reason when it goes to MythXML, it uses 75

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wagnerrp:

would it make more sense just to have one single image there

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wagnerrp:

and then have mythweb store its prescaled stuff in data

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wagnerrp:

similar to the theme cache?

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kormoc:

sphery: just trace back the get_thumb call, I bet it uses the show->getAspect as well

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Beirdo:

ahhhh, it was trying to mount my lvm

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** iamlindoro kicks MNV **

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Beirdo:

and failing.

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iamlindoro:

who wrote this thing anyway?

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Beirdo:

so, comment that out, and reboot for good measure... borked X, but it boots

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Beirdo:

and borked LVM just for fun

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kormoc:

Myth New Video?

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wagnerrp:

its an alternate scanner for mythvideo

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kormoc:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

runs every five seconds to pick up transient files

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kormoc:

whee

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wagnerrp:

and allows more liberal file naming

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wagnerrp:

including tracking release groups

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iamlindoro:

checks in with the tracker run at services.mythtv.org, of course

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sphery:

seems IFNULL is killing me

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sphery:

is that supposed to be IF NULL

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kormoc:

nopers

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kormoc:

but it could be in the wrong place in the query

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** kormoc shifty eyes **

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kormoc:

sphery: have a trac link to the query?

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sphery:

maybe not...

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sphery:

ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'ORDER BY SUM((SELECT IFNULL(rm.mark, recordedmarkup.mark)

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kormoc:

yeah, the IFNULL is in the wrong location, but shouldn't trigger an error

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kormoc:

it should just return a nullset

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sphery:

it's http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ram.php#L830

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sphery:

using query: SELECT recordedmarkup.type FROM recordedmarkup WHERE recordedmarkup.chanid = '1651' AND recordedmarkup.starttime = '2010-01–09 18:30:00' ORDER BY SUM((SELECT IFNULL(rm.mark, recordedmarkup.mark) WHERE rm.chanid = recordedmarkup.chanid AND rm.starttime = recordedmarkup.starttime AND rm.type IN (10, 11, 12, 13, 14) AND rm.mark > recordedmarkup.mark ORDER BY rm.mark ASC LIMIT 1)- recordedmarkup.mark) DESC LIMIT 1;

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sphery:

(with valid chanid starttime)

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sphery:

which is why I'm getting 4:3--because of default: return 4/3;

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iamlindoro:

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307 . . . s&hpt=C2

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iamlindoro:

Well that seems ill advised

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kormoc:

sphery: erm... nothing stands out as being wrong...

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sphery:

what's rm in there?

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kormoc:

sphery: an alias for recordedmarkup in the subquery

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sphery:

OK... I'll defer to your vastly superior SQL knowledge. I just didn't see anywhere it was being defined as an alias (but this query is way beyond me)

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sphery:

I'm using MySQL 5.0.26, here

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kormoc:

sphery: http://pastebin.ca/1845271 is the correct query for ifnull

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sphery:

I wonder if something in there requires higher

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kormoc:

sphery: line 839

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kormoc:

to be effective, the ifnull needs to be outside the subquery

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sphery:

heh, seems I missed that line in my copy?

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kormoc:

sphery: yes, yes you did :P

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kormoc:

and I didn't notice, doh

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kormoc:

that would cause a small issue

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keenanti:

NUB ALERT! I cannot get my desktop FE to connect to my BE on the network. I can connect to the DB without problems.

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kormoc:

keenanti: make sure the master backend ip is not set to 127.0.0.1 (mythtv-setup on the mbe)

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sphery:

kormoc: ok, it gives me -3 without the IFNULL fix and empty set with it

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keenanti:

ah, k

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

-3?

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kormoc:

that just can't be

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sphery:

yeah, seems my video switched to 16:9 -3 times :)

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kormoc:

we select a type with type in 10,11,12,13,or 14

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kormoc:

it can't be anything but those

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Beirdo:

-3 times? nice

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kormoc:

SELECT DISTINCT type FROM recordedmarkup WHERE type IN (10,11,12,13,14) AND chanid = '1651' AND recordedmarkup.starttime = '2010-01–09 18:30:00';

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** Beirdo wonders if newegg sells sticks of C4 with PCI-Express interface... or AGP (more appropriately for this computer) **

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sphery:

kormoc: nvm...

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sphery:

I get empty set with that

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kormoc:

so the ifnull fix is correct, it returns notta

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sphery:

but that's because this is an old pre-aspect-flagging video

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kormoc:

how you get -3 is beyond me

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sphery:

So it's my data that's wrong

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sphery:

I'll run a mythcommflag --rebuild on it and try again

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kormoc:

rgr

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iamlindoro:

NAUGHTY QTHREAD

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iamlindoro:

bad, naughty QTHREAD

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kormoc:

it deserves a spanking! in fact you must spank them all!

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

blah

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kormoc:

Beirdo: not a python fan?

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Beirdo:

It's trying to use the radeon chipset right now

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iamlindoro:

We are merely nubile young virgins between the ages of 16 and 22

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Beirdo:

and dri is too NEW

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Beirdo:

the chipset driver wants 1.17.0, kernel gives 2.0.0

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Beirdo:

?!@#Q$%Q#$%

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Beirdo:

why why why!?

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Beirdo:

let's try the fgrlx again

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sphery:

hmmmm... think I can only get aspect info in by recording the show

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sphery:

(and my dev box doesn't record)

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kormoc:

hrm

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Beirdo:

into "low-graphics mode" it goes.

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Beirdo:

b0rked

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** kormoc seeks out his laptop charger **

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sphery:

kormoc: the -3 maybe came from: MARK_UPDATED_CUT = -3,

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sphery:

but I can't fix the seektable for this because someone put the aspect flagging into the recorder and didn't also add it to the mythcommflag --rebuild or mythtranscode --buildindex... :)

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russell5:

does anyone know how to edit what the sleep timer does in when watching live tv? or at least add a command to it

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sphery:

you'd have to edit code

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sphery:

it doesn't run a script

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sphery:

in trunk there may be an event associated iwth it

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russell5:

thats what i though

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sphery:

if so, that's how you would run a script

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russell5:

mmm ill look into that

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russell5:

thanks

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sphery:

if not, that's what you'd have to add to make it work properly (in a way that would be accepted)

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sphery:

russell5: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23012

[01:23:36]

sphery:

kormoc: oh, and thanks for the help--and for letting me waste your time on this issue (that's my bad data :)

[01:23:57]

Beirdo:

what else is he gonna do? unpack? :)

[01:23:58]

Beirdo:

hehe

[01:24:05]

Beirdo:

moving can be such a pain

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russell5:

thanks i guess ill get the tv to turn off with a idle timer

[01:26:46]

** sphery goes back to fixing code he actually understands (and that's actually broken :) **

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sphery:

fixing kormoc's code is really hard--since it's not broken

[01:27:01]

Beirdo:

nah, there's no broken code

[01:27:02]

Beirdo:

heh

[01:27:14]

Beirdo:

that's a feature, not a bug

[01:27:21]

sphery:

heh

[01:27:45]

Beirdo:

I guess my computer has a lot of features right now

[01:28:18]

wagnerrp:

when you understand that reality, you understand that it is really you that is broken

[01:28:23]

Beirdo:

hmmm, wonder if that nvidia card I have here is AGP

[01:28:30]

Beirdo:

if so, screw the radeon

[01:28:36]

Beirdo:

brb

[01:29:55]

Beirdo:

PCIE

[01:29:58]

Beirdo:

crud

[01:30:56]

Beirdo:

I don't wanna buy a card for this box.

[01:31:13]

Beirdo:

I guess karmic fresh install is my next task

[01:31:24]

wagnerrp:

i should really get this old dual-p3 running again to build stuff for my 32-bit machines

[01:31:25]

** Beirdo makes a very rude gesture towards his computer **

[01:31:32]

Beirdo:

heh

[01:31:50]

wagnerrp:

if nothing else, i could at least triple the performance of my laptop

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Beirdo:

I guess the other thing I could do is start determining build profiles for buildbot for mythtv :)

[01:32:15]

wagnerrp:

well.. .im sure theres some overhead with distcc

[01:33:10]

Beirdo:

need to figure out a set of different configurations we'd want to autobuild to test that we didn't bork stuff

[01:33:21]

Beirdo:

fun

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wagnerrp:

i forgot just how loud this thing was

[01:33:56]

Beirdo:

once I'm moved and settled in, I'm willing to provide build slaves for some of em, and hopefully others will be too

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sphery:

it's 9:37pm, and as I finish the stuff I wanted to do today, I realize I never made that trip to the grocery store to get some food for dinner...

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Beirdo:

heh

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highzeth:

Beirdo: I can setup a vps for that, got cores to spare, ping me if the need is there

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Beirdo:

OK, well, we'll see once it's up and running, etc

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highzeth:

ofc, just offering it up when/if etc

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Beirdo:

:) got a ways to go before we are ready to run builds :)

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Beirdo:

thanks.

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[01:39:17]

highzeth:

least I can do

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squidly:

anyone able to help me debug a small audo problem I'm having with mythfrontend

[01:43:15]

squidly:

I can play most movies fine.. I can watch tv no problem.. but when I try to watch a mkv I just get a lot of static.

[01:43:22]

squidly:

I can watch it fine in mplayer

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wagnerrp:

static usually denotes a problem with digital audio passthrough

[01:44:09]

squidly:

wagnerrp: thanks..

[01:44:16]

squidly:

any thoughs on how I can fix it?

[01:44:26]

wagnerrp:

what is in the mkv?

[01:44:33]

squidly:

2010

[01:44:36]

squidly:

2012*

[01:44:45]

squidly:

or is there other info you are looking for?

[01:45:03]

wagnerrp:

mkv is a container, storing audio and video streams

[01:45:11]

wagnerrp:

you are having trouble with the audio stream

[01:45:14]

wagnerrp:

what is it

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squidly:

wagnerrp: how would I find out? mplayer says Selected audio codec: [dts] afm: libdca (DTS-libdca)

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wagnerrp:

so... dts

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wagnerrp:

how are you outputting your audio?

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wagnerrp:

spdif? hdmi?

[01:47:42]

wagnerrp:

although both should support dts, as should the hardware on the other end...

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squidly:

wagnerrp: i'm outputting it my pc speakers

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wagnerrp:

youre using analog?

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squidly:

if that is what the little plug is yes

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wagnerrp:

so youre not using digital audio passthrough?

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squidly:

I have AC3 and DTS to SPDIF passthough enabled on my frontend

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wagnerrp:

but you have analog audio

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wagnerrp:

meaning there is no passthrough

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squidly:

ahh.. that got it

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squidly:

thank you

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wagnerrp:

the static was from trying to send compressed audio to the D/A converter

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wagnerrp:

which to the ear, sounds like static

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squidly:

which my new audio card does not handle

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squidly:

ok cool thank you very much wagnerrp

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dewman:

good evening, i just built my new backend and I am using ssh with x forwarding, how do you start the control center?

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wagnerrp:

what control center?

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iamlindoro:

ask in #ubuntu-mythtv, we don't produce anything called control center

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dewman:

iamlindoro, Ahh... Ok....Thanks...

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Beirdo:

ARRRGH!

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Beirdo:

I just fill the fantasy baseball league... auction draft on Sunday...

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Beirdo:

my wife wants to back out last second.

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Beirdo:

my soon to be ex-wife, I might add

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** Beirdo is going insane here **

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Wicked:

anyone here familiar with lirc and fedora core12? ive got lirc installed...but cant seem to figure out how to set it up...the folder /etc/lirc/ is empty and i dont see any other lirc related stuff in /etc

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gizmobay:

I'm having a problem with auto commercial skips on my HD tuner. I do an "E" then "X" and it detects the commercials in the correct spot but for some reason it doesn't skip. In one hour show it only skipped once.

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gizmobay:

I'm going to bed. I'll fool with it later

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Jester05:

hey guys is anyone on here real quick

[06:04:19]

Jester05:

this is a non myth related item but I just need some quick input on what you think could be causing an issue

[06:04:34]

Jester05:

I have this math program called MATLAB

[06:05:17]

Jester05:

I'm trying to execute a system call: system([wine('ModTran')])

[06:05:33]

Jester05:

I've done this all before and it worked fine but for some reason now I'm getting this returned..

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Jester05:

/bin/bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `Mod4V3R1'

[06:05:46]

Jester05:

/bin/bash: -c: line 0: `wine(Mod4V3R1)'

[06:06:03]

Jester05:

I believe it has something to do with an update that my OS has experienced

[06:06:25]

Jester05:

I'm nearly certain that everything else has remained as it was..

[06:07:16]

wagnerrp:

perhaps try ##matlab?

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wagnerrp:

that command would only work, ever, if 'wine' was a function defined in matlab that returned a string

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Jester05:

its worked in the past tho..

[06:08:37]

Jester05:

I don't now what has changed... its happened on both my laptops

[06:08:52]

Jester05:

both are running ubuntu9.10 and have been being kept up to date

[06:09:04]

Jester05:

only thing I can think that has effected both machines is updating

[06:09:33]

Jester05:

i tried this one too

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wagnerrp:

then 'wine.m' has moved out of matlab's search path

[06:09:47]

Jester05:

system('wine(ModTran)')

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Jester05:

hmmm

[06:10:02]

Jester05:

i wonder what'd cause that

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wagnerrp:

wine is not a bash function, that command would not work either

[06:10:28]

wagnerrp:

please take this to ##matlab or pm

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Jester05:

is there a matlab channel?

[06:10:51]

Jester05:

if you want to PM me about it please do

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Jester05:

I could use the help..

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Beirdo:

!trout Jester05 hopelessly off-topic

[06:33:34]

** MythLogBot slaps Jester05 with a hopelessly off-topic trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[06:34:04]

iamlindoro:

It wasn't worth the righteous indignation about me having the audacity to suggest he bo on-topic

[06:34:08]

iamlindoro:

s/bo/be/

[06:34:31]

iamlindoro:

Folks always have a way of explaining to me what a jerk I am for suggesting they get help for Myth in the Myth channel

[06:34:36]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

he should try #ubuntu or ##matlab or ##retarded-question

[06:35:22]

Beirdo:

or ###freenode-is-queer-for-using-##

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wagnerrp:

there is a 'retarded-question' such that there would be an unofficial channel for it?

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Beirdo:

well, I don't think they'd create an OFFICIAL channel

[06:35:59]

Beirdo:

hehe

[06:36:22]

wagnerrp:

but then you could claim it was 'officially retarded'

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Beirdo:

hehe

[06:37:02]

Beirdo:

who would be the registered owner?

[06:37:06]

Beirdo:

ooh

[06:37:13]

Beirdo:

George W. Bush

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Beirdo:

duh

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** wagnerrp wonders when Carl Weathers will run for office **

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wagnerrp:

Predator was on tv earlier tonight

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wagnerrp:

and every time i see that, i cant help but wonder how that managed to get two governors

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Beirdo:

glad it's not ME paying for this stupid "service"

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wagnerrp:

mozenda?

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Beirdo:

www.mozenda.com

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Beirdo:

a client is asking me to scrape stuff with it

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Beirdo:

and it's being a PITA

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wagnerrp:

more difficult than just hacking together some perl screen reader?

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Beirdo:

no, actually quite a bit easier than that

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Beirdo:

but it hogs memory

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Beirdo:

and it forces you to do things THEIR way

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Beirdo:

so close, but yet so far

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Beirdo:

i'm workin on scraping stuff from yahoo Autos right now

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Beirdo:

Lord knows what they want it for, and I don't care right now

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wagnerrp:

is yahoo allowing such commercial re-use of their data?

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Beirdo:

pfft :)

[06:48:18]

Beirdo:

probably not

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Beirdo:

!trout

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** MythLogBot dumps a bucket of trout onto Beirdo **

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Beirdo:

OMG, I think I may finally have fixed this one

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wagnerrp:

sata 3.0?

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wagnerrp:

when did they start shipping 6gbps hard drives?

[07:02:53]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

dunno

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wagnerrp:

must have been very recent, pretty slim pickings

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wagnerrp:

seems the HDHR sold out

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

drivers are rude... such attitudes... but when I show my piece, complaints cease...

[07:16:04]

Beirdo:

OK, why is Offspring – Bad Habit in my mind now?

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wagnerrp:

drivers on the road?

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Beirdo:

nah, I'm, lying on the bed

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Beirdo:

the funny thing is...

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Beirdo:

first time I heard that song was on the radio... in Ottawa, during rush hour

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Beirdo:

someone wasn't thinking

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wagnerrp:

is that the lyrics from the song?

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wagnerrp:

ah, ive heard that before...

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

something's odd.. feel like I'm God... you stupid dumbBLEEP BLEEP BLEEEP BLEEP!

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

it's a perfect road rage song...

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Beirdo:

and the idiots played it during rush hour.

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand road rage

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justinh:

time to check the lab to see if I still have any slimline sata optical drives. dropped my laptop this morning

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wagnerrp:

i so rarely see someone on the road sufficiently aware of their surroundings that they should get pissed off when someone else is clueless

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wagnerrp:

theyre all clueless

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Beirdo:

well, it's when you get cut off by some idiot that gets to most people

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justinh:

wagnerrp: the brief time they save if somebody'd only let them in is wasted when they detour & chase the person who wronged them ;)

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Beirdo:

or just rear-end them

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wagnerrp:

if you were paying attention, you wouldnt have gotten cut off

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justinh:

I don't take any chances on the roads here. not worth the hassle or the risk

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: don't you dare drive in Puerto Rico with that attitude :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

cut infront of somebody once, and they followed me home

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Beirdo:

drivers here are insane and cut you off ALL the time

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wagnerrp:

only because you give them room to do so

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Beirdo:

justinh: next time just drive to the police station :)

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: no, they don't give you a choice

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justinh:

Beirdo: that's the rub. they hide police stations round here

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Beirdo:

that's retarded, justinh

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean you dont have a choice? do they try to run you off the road?

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Beirdo:

yes

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justinh:

I know one near a main road, but it's miles away

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justinh:

the one deemed our 'local' station is in a place I've never been :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

put it this way, when we got burgled a couple of years ago an officer on foot came & he said it'd taken him more than an hour to walk from there

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wagnerrp:

i had someone (try to) follow me for ten miles, after i passed them in the lane they thought they were in

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Beirdo:

I had one guy follow me almost all the way to work... because I had the nerve to slow down for a school zone... with a cop there

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Beirdo:

idiot

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wagnerrp:

we were on an on ramp with a turn

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justinh:

they'll take off more than they can chew one day

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Beirdo:

he bailed right at the end as there was a cop right by work

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wagnerrp:

and he decided to cut the turn so short, he was completely on the shoulder

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justinh:

and they'll end up with a bullet lodged somewhere unpleasant :)

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Beirdo:

and I started to pull in behind the cop car

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wagnerrp:

so i gunned it, and passed him

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justinh:

saw a weird clip on BBC news yesterday.. truck driver who'd failed to notice the car across the front of his vehicle

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wagnerrp:

you could see the confusion turn to anger in his face

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justinh:

going down the motorway!

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wagnerrp:

followed by 10 miles of him trying to weave through traffic and keep up with e

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wagnerrp:

me

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Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

heh. what a ****

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Beirdo:

911.

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Beirdo:

or at least 411 and ask for the local cops :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

here ya go. how the hell did this happen? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/8574609.stm

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Beirdo:

justinh: is it just me or is that a gasoline tanker?

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wagnerrp:

looks like it

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wagnerrp:

although who knows what fluid theyre actually transporting

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Beirdo:

it was probably his ex-wife in the car

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justinh:

heh I was shocked to see it was a tanker too

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justinh:

and in the outside lane of the m-way...

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justinh:

thought they were supposed to be limited to 56mpg for some reason

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Beirdo:

oh yeah. you drive on the wrong side of the road ;)

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justinh:

er mph I mean

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: better than an ex-wife on the hood

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRBROnBRRe4

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justinh:

is somebody trying to say the driver is a linux kernel developer? ;-)

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wagnerrp:

justinh: are you referring to a certain file system developer?

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justinh:

oops yeah. well kernel/fs..

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Beirdo:

OK, bed

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Beirdo:

jeez, almost 4am

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Beirdo:

I suck

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Beirdo:

nght

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justinh:

night

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justinh:

bah, only pata optical slimlines in the lab

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justinh:

might have to *buy* one! :-O

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justinh:

ruh – a spotify plugin – what planet do some people live in? they're windows/mac only, silly

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justinh:

whut?! libspotify is spotify's own doing?! :-O

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justinh:

there's an API too?!

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justinh:

meh a tenner a month, they can forget that

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justinh:

good grief are those awful dvd intros I made still in there? heh

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justinh:

and trunk won't build on 8.10. surprise surprise. qt is too old

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jb_:

hello justinh :-)

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jb_:

do you know if and how to get the covers or posters for my videos in the video section, for all at once I know how you can do it manualy one by one, but for all at once ?

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oobe:

lol

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oobe:

you made him leave

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oobe:

jb_, anyway you can use jamu

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oobe:

/usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/jamu.py -MIV

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justinh:

has he gone yet?

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jb_:

oobe, Im here got busy with a phonecall etc...

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jb_:

oobe, jamu is that a part of myth?

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jb_:

sorry, I just saw it was

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jb_:

oobe, looks like just what I need thanks

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oobe:

lol

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oobe:

so funny

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oobe:

np jb_

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justinh:

I'm totally allergic to people asking for help by name, like I actually give a damn.. or know anything for that matter

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sid3windr:

especially the latter!

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sid3windr:

:>

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jb_:

justinh, it will never happen again

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jb_:

;-)

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justinh:

yeh well I'm trying to undo all the good karma I built up when I was helping people

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jb_:

smiles

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sid3windr:

frowns

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justinh:

have tmdb got any kind of rating info yet btw?

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justinh:

apparently not. not that I ever 'rated' IMDB's rating system either

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justinh:

!trout mythicallibrarian 1700-lines-of-script

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** MythLogBot slaps mythicallibrarian with a 1700-lines-of-script trout on behalf of justinh... **

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oobe:

!trout oobe falic-symbol

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** MythLogBot slaps oobe with a falic-symbol trout on behalf of oobe... **

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oobe:

!trout oobe

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** MythLogBot slaps oobe with a trout on behalf of oobe... **

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oobe:

!help

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oobe:

!list

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justinh:

wow. seagate 2TB HDD only £58.74 inc vat for aria forum members

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justinh:

20 only, though

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oobe:

justinh, ssshh

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justinh:

oof. people are going after themes for translations not fitting now? god help us all

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oobe:

it would be annoying if you spoke some language that most of the world doesnt and trying to make stuff work with it

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justinh:

boo hoo ?

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sid3windr:

speak english, problem solved :D

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oobe:

heh i agree totally

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oobe:

just trying my hand at sympathy

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justinh:

hrmph. my web host wants another 50 quid to host my site for a year

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** mag0o has a box at a dc that i own if you want to put it there **

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mag0o:

:)

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justinh:

it's only for a blog. I might just go onto wordpress itself

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justinh:

heh that was easy. exported xml from the existing site, imported xml on wordpress.com & it was job done in 2 minutes

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justinh:

I'd still love to know how getting me to change every PCB in a product is somehow better than getting a droid in production to do it

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Beirdo:

ummm, yer cheaper?

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Beirdo:

oh wait, that would be me

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Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

they call it an 'upgrade'

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justinh:

anyhoo nobody listened to the argument it'd be nicer to get some minimum wager to do it

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Beirdo:

justinh: I guess they want it done right

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Beirdo:

it's a mixed blessing being competent

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justinh:

production droids assemble machines every day

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Beirdo:

yeah well. quit talking sense

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justinh:

if anything I'm less likely to make a good job of it because I'm peed off I'm having to do such a dull task

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Beirdo:

think in pinhead-ish

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justinh:

yeah, hey we don't have to take a new machine out of our budget if we a) get development to do it and b) get development to order the boards

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Beirdo:

yup. they don't do anything anyways

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Beirdo:

eediots

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justinh:

and c) development get lumbered with old boards nobody can use, so they also come out of development budget

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Beirdo:

are the old boards anything interesting for a hobbyist to play with?

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justinh:

not even remotely

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Beirdo:

dang

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justinh:

whee anyway I can send my web host a nice mail saying to eat me

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Beirdo:

dear sirs: BLEEP!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

take your extra 50 quid and shove em.

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j-rod:

anyone here got an AVS Gear GP-IR02BK

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j-rod:

mce usb transceiver

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j-rod:

if so, please to be testing transmit support w/current lirc cvs

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j-rod:

(aka topseed 0x0008 device)

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j-rod:

I just committed code to lirc cvs that should enable it

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j-rod:

the one I have here is working, anyway

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jams:

so j-rod how close are we to lirc in the kernel?

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jams:

or mceusb keyboard support merged with mceusb

[16:02:29]

j-rod:

meh.

[16:02:35]

jams:

ok then

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j-rod:

largely blocking on me having time to submit yet another round

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j-rod:

but planning to submit for inclusion via staging

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j-rod:

"soon"

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jams:

well thats good, better then blocked due to other outside reasons

[16:03:14]

j-rod:

and I keep forgetting about the keyboard thing

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jams:

i can keep reminding you if you want

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jams:

:)

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j-rod:

I just committed a shitload of changes to lirc_mceusb

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j-rod:

I'm not even sure if the keyboard driver will look recognizable anymore

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j-rod:

jams: but yes, please do feel free to keep reminding me

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jams:

cool

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jams:

can test it whenever you need

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j-rod:

maybe I'll finally take a look this afternoon. first, I'm going to go kick things.

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jams:

could loan you the keyboard if needed

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j-rod:

I've got 3 different mce transceivers on my desk atm… but no keyboard

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j-rod:

that would actually be highly motivating and useful

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jams:

email your adress to me

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jams:

i dont' use the thing..but would love to get support in lirc proper

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j-rod:

yeah, definitely

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jams:

should get that in the mail this weekend

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j-rod:

gravy

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

mornin

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wagnerrp:

crap... i forgot to copy my kernel config before nuking my old install

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Dibblah:

cat /proc/kconfig

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Beirdo:

restore from tape :)

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wagnerrp:

man, it took me a long time to figure out how to get a full resolution framebuffer going on this thing

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Beirdo:

aawww

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Beirdo:

sucky

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** wagnerrp thinks GreyFoxx needs a keyboard cover, or maybe just lock his computer when he walks away **

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GreyFoxx:

I agree

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Beirdo:

hehe, tha cat typing again?

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GreyFoxx:

not in several hours now :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, this morning over in #mythtv

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wagnerrp:

about 5 hours ago

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GreyFoxx:

problem is the buggers will jump onto the keyboard if I just swivel around in my chair to grab something

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Beirdo:

cats are like that ;)

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sid3windr:

hacker cat

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GreyFoxx:

I should cover my desk in aluminum foil :) They hate that

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GreyFoxx:

I've got 3 cats, 2 of them always want to be in my face at the computer

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GreyFoxx:

and 1 will even sleep on the keyboard

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Beirdo:

I used to have a cat that took pleasure in being between my face and any reading matter I was trying to read

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sid3windr:

lol

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Beirdo:

silly animal

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Beirdo:

and god help me if I tried t read the newspaper

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, same here

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Beirdo:

books at least you can lift above the cat

[16:56:01]

GreyFoxx:

I have one that for the last year wants to be on or near me ALL the time

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wagnerrp:

my old roommate had a cat that had some strange necessity to kneed things

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GreyFoxx:

I even had him checked in case he was sick

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GreyFoxx:

but he's fine

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Beirdo:

just wants company, I guess

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wagnerrp:

you would be laying on the couch, and suddenly you would be getting a massage by a 10lb midget

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: that's OK, as long as the claws ain't involved :)

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GreyFoxx:

wag: hehe

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wagnerrp:

he had his claws, but i dont recall him ever using them

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Beirdo:

kneading + claws = great pain

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Beirdo:

mornin kormoc

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wagnerrp:

now im a deep sleeper, i dont wake up until my body decides its time

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kormoc:

Mornin'

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wagnerrp:

i made the mistake of leaving my door open one night

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wagnerrp:

only to wake up with the thing staring at me, kneading my chest

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

apparently it had been there like half an hour

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

the one who is always near me has slept every signal night of his life right up against my leg. If I go to bed within minutes he is there

[17:02:17]

GreyFoxx:

and in the middle of the night he will often end up sleeping and purring really loudly on my stomach/chest

[17:02:22]

GreyFoxx:

my wife has filmed it :)

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GreyFoxx:

single ... ugh

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jolaren:

I just inserted annother dvb-t pci card into a pci slot on my server.. when I tried to boot it refused. I removed the pci card including the other ones and it still wont boot

[17:05:56]

jolaren:

I don

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jolaren:

I don't believe that I shocked anythin cuz i took on a radiator and a chassi before starting

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wagnerrp:

flip the power switch, let it sit for a few seconds, try again

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** kormoc blinks **

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wagnerrp:

then start removing cards until it boots

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wagnerrp:

standard PC diagnostics

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jolaren:

well thats what ive done

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jolaren:

wagnerrp,

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jolaren:

theres even no pci cards in it

[17:09:09]

jolaren:

should i pull the bios battery?

[17:09:29]

wagnerrp:

if you dont otherwise have a jumper to reset the CMOS

[17:09:33]

xand:

either something else got dislodged, or maybe the pci card was faulty and damaged other hardware

[17:09:40]

kormoc:

I think you need to swap the north bridge with the south bridge

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wagnerrp:

generally being unable to boot is an indication of a short

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kormoc:

xand: or he zapped something

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wagnerrp:

either the board or the power supply detects a short somewhere

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wagnerrp:

so it shuts off to protect itself

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jolaren:

it sounds like "merp" one short beep like thingy.. it's not a beep really but it's more like "berp" or smth

[17:11:47]

jolaren:

it's not even a half a second sound

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jolaren:

I will try to find a cmos swtich

[17:14:45]

wagnerrp:

jumper

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jolaren:

I dontk now if you can see from this pic

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jolaren:

http://ucables.com/img/pics1/original/ASUS-M4 . . . -R103106.jpg

[17:16:30]

jolaren:

Where would the CMOS bee located?

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sid3windr:

mm

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sid3windr:

a cmos bee

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wagnerrp:

who cares, you just want the jumper

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wagnerrp:

usually located near the battery

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jolaren:

I see from pics now how its supposed to look

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wagnerrp:

maybe that jumper on the bottom, to the right of the chassis intrusion light

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wagnerrp:

or you could check your manual

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wagnerrp:

knowing where that thing is is generally handy

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frederik1986:

hi all

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frederik1986:

anybody know this error MythSocketThread: select returned error eno: Interrupted system call (4)

[17:27:19]

frederik1986:

it comes from mythwelcome when it tries to shutdown auto

[17:28:23]

frederik1986:

running kubuntu 9.10

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frederik1986:

think that distro makes no difference since i i had the same problem with fedora 12

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jolaren:

hmm wagnerrp I removed the front on my server

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jolaren:

it seems that glue has melted on the usb/startup button

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wagnerrp:

thats a cheap case

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sid3windr:

lol

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frederik1986:

nobody?

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wagnerrp:

very few people use the automated shutdown, and less use mythwelcome

[17:40:19]

frederik1986:

so everyone leaves mythtv constant on ?

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** sid3windr does **

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wagnerrp:

i leave my backend on

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wagnerrp:

my separate frontends can switch on and off via remote

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kormoc:

frederik1986: Yes, I do

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frederik1986:

ok , but i still don't understand why it suddenly doesn't work

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Beirdo:

and kormoc is definitely everyone :)

[17:43:11]

kormoc:

yup! Muhahahaha

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devinheitmueller:

And this is why we need ten second boot times for Linux!

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Beirdo:

heh

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devinheitmueller:

People would just shutdown their frontends if they came back up that quickly.

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kormoc:

Ten Seconds!?!?! That's like... forever!

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Beirdo:

or... like my machine last night... 15 minute FAILED boot times

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devinheitmueller:

Think of all the electricty that can be saved! Think of the children!

[17:43:57]

kormoc:

devinheitmueller: my frontend is my backend, so that won't help :P

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Beirdo:

stupid upgrade from hell

[17:44:17]

devinheitmueller:

kormoc: well, you need that ACPI poweron so it wakes up when recording is needed.

[17:44:27]

devinheitmueller:

RTC scheduled poweron.

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kormoc:

devinheitmueller: EFI, not a traditional bios

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Beirdo:

so all the time?

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devinheitmueller:

But yeah, I also believe ten seconds is an eternity – but I'm from an embedded background so that shouldn't be surprising.

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Beirdo:

my goal is to keep the backend recording as much as possible

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Beirdo:

we'll see how tat goes once I do HD :)

[17:45:33]

Beirdo:

gonna need 1 1PB array

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Beirdo:

devinheitmueller: any preferences as to USB MCUs to use? :)

[17:47:02]

Beirdo:

just curious as to where others preferences lie :)

[17:47:18]

devinheitmueller:

I did some work with the FTDI bridge at one point.

[17:47:42]

devinheitmueller:

But no, generally, I don't do much with USB and microcontrollers.

[17:47:46]

Beirdo:

that still is a contender for me (using FIFO one, I think)

[17:48:22]

Beirdo:

I want to use an AVR, but the problem is that Atmel doesn't do the "cheap/free deviceID" thing that Microchip does

[17:48:29]

Beirdo:

and I dislike PIC architeture

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devinheitmueller:

I think there are even arduinos that have an ft232 frontend.

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Beirdo:

trying to wrap my brain around how the driver abstraction works with the FTDI chips though

[17:49:14]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, alot depends on what functionality you need, and what your cost profile looks like.

[17:49:32]

Beirdo:

i.e. how I identify my device uniquely from all other FTDI devices, etc

[17:49:45]

devinheitmueller:

I really don't build much hardware nowadays though, so I keep up less on what the latest and greatest is.

[17:49:48]

Beirdo:

I don't have the $$ to be getting a vendor ID :)

[17:49:57]

devinheitmueller:

Oh, the USB vendor ID is programmable.

[17:50:13]

devinheitmueller:

I thought they also had a way to reuse their vendor ID with some sort of other identifier.

[17:50:17]

Beirdo:

yeah, but if I sell em... gotta have something valid

[17:50:33]

Beirdo:

so reusing theirs would be an option if they multiplex it well

[17:50:50]

Beirdo:

that's the part I don't comprehend completely right now :)

[17:51:04]

oobe:

Beirdo, ever thought about adding more things to your MythLogBot like help commands for common questions with triggers like !commflag !sg !nfs etc.

[17:51:07]

devinheitmueller:

They've got a whole dev kit that explains it all.

[17:51:23]

Beirdo:

oobe: possibly

[17:51:33]

Beirdo:

more like !faq commflag

[17:51:47]

oobe:

yes that would be good too

[17:51:55]

Beirdo:

devinheitmueller: good point.

[17:51:56]

oobe:

then you could !faq list

[17:52:13]

Beirdo:

yup

[17:52:54]

oobe:

or !faq commflag user

[17:53:02]

oobe:

to direct it at a nick

[17:55:59]

wagnerrp:

this mythicallibrarian guy just wont give up

[17:56:18]

oobe:

who is he

[17:56:26]

oobe:

i thought he was fictitious

[17:56:36]

wagnerrp:

hes downright mythic

[17:56:45]

oobe:

justinh !trouted him before but no nick was in the channel

[17:57:01]

jolaren:

wagnerrp, it's the psu that makes that sound

[17:57:08]

oobe:

justinh> !trout mythicallibrarian 1700-lines-of-script

[17:57:08]

wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/general/12857 . . . sting-2.html

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wagnerrp:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8170

[17:58:02]

jolaren:

wagnerrp, it's the PSU that makes the beep so nothin else happends except it powers the motherboard

[17:58:05]

jolaren:

Think I just blew the PSU?

[17:58:17]

wagnerrp:

what brand?

[17:58:20]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: he's the Energizer Annoyance

[17:58:21]

wagnerrp:

got a spare to test?

[17:58:50]

jolaren:

It's a Corsair 400 w psu

[17:59:04]

wagnerrp:

dont know anything about corsair

[17:59:30]

wagnerrp:

hes like a salesman

[17:59:42]

oobe:

ok i saw a bit of that earlier

[17:59:43]

jolaren:

I got a psu in an old computer... rly old can i try that?

[17:59:53]

wagnerrp:

'on top of all that, mythicallibrarian is designed in bash which everyone knows is designed for textual data and file operations'

[18:00:09]

oobe:

i dont really like the idea as i dont archive my recordings i just let them expire and renaming the files seems a bit risky

[18:00:11]

Beirdo:

are you serious? he said that?

[18:00:24]

wagnerrp:

see his last post on that link

[18:00:27]

Beirdo:

OMG

[18:00:42]

Beirdo:

bash was designed as an interactive shell

[18:00:52]

Beirdo:

what a BLEEEP-tard

[18:00:55]

wagnerrp:

its so good at handling text, they didnt even need a regular expression implementation

[18:01:15]

Beirdo:

bash doesn't handle text. it handles pipes

[18:01:17]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:01:27]

wagnerrp:

did i say bash?

[18:01:34]

wagnerrp:

i really meant awk, and grep, and sed

[18:01:38]

wagnerrp:

and 'perl -e'

[18:01:45]

Beirdo:

hehe

[18:01:55]

Beirdo:

he used perl -e?

[18:01:55]

wagnerrp:

oh wait, i guess it does handle regular expressions after all

[18:01:56]

Beirdo:

jeez

[18:01:58]

wagnerrp:

bash ftw!

[18:02:21]

Beirdo:

did he at least use functions in bash?

[18:02:21]

wagnerrp:

no, but apparently the first version of mythrename did

[18:02:43]

wagnerrp:

in fact, the first version of mythrename was basically one giant 'perl -e' wrapped in a bash script

[18:03:10]

kormoc:

"mythicalLibrarian will check if the episode is available and then assign a -1 to the end of it if the naming is the same and a -2 as well and if all those numbers are taken it will assign a -9294458847722719"

[18:03:21]

kormoc:

what happens when -9294458847722719 exists?!?!

[18:03:29]

wagnerrp:

worlds collide

[18:03:34]

kormoc:

"On top of all that, mythicalLibrarian is designed in BASH which everyone knows is designed for textual data and file operations. That's what mythicalLibrarian is for. "

[18:04:02]

kormoc:

oh, and I thought bash was a shell with some convenience functionality for SA's

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kormoc:

not the other way around

[18:04:37]

wagnerrp:

part of me wants to try to correct this guy

[18:04:51]

wagnerrp:

but the other part realizes hes a zealot whose mind cant be changed

[18:05:04]

oobe:

#mythtv-users Banlist: Sun Feb 21 11:43:48 *mythtv*!*@* gibson.freenode.net hmm

[18:05:26]

wagnerrp:

yeah, if you name yourself 'mythtv', we dont want to talk to you

[18:05:27]

kormoc:

oobe: we were tired of all the 'MythTVGURU's telling us how myth ran

[18:05:57]

Beirdo:

and "mythtvsucks"

[18:06:22]

oobe:

kormoc, so there are lots of nicks with mythtv as there real name?

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kormoc:

oobe: yes

[18:06:43]

kormoc:

erm

[18:06:54]

kormoc:

wait

[18:06:57]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: was wrong about mythrename

[18:06:58]

kormoc:

that's a wrong banmask

[18:07:15]

wagnerrp:

but there was some ancient script in contrib that did that

[18:07:25]

Beirdo:

kormoc: why?

[18:07:35]

** Beirdo doesn't wanna think **

[18:07:36]

kormoc:

I'm on crack

[18:07:41]

kormoc:

ignore me

[18:07:53]

kormoc:

Nick!user@host

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Beirdo:

OK... /ignore oh wait

[18:07:55]

kormoc:

it's right

[18:08:00]

Beirdo:

:)

[18:08:27]

kormoc:

I had a flash for some reason that it was User!Nick@host

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Beirdo:

hehe

[18:10:19]

gbee:

anyone happen to know what the build dependencies for ffplay are?

[18:10:48]

Beirdo:

why do I get the temptation sometimes to ban *!~quassel@* to see how many people get pissed?

[18:10:59]

wagnerrp:

quassel?

[18:11:06]

** Beirdo is evil **

[18:11:15]

Beirdo:

yeah, like stoffel :)

[18:11:16]

kormoc:

I love ban *!*@* personally

[18:11:18]

Beirdo:

it's a client

[18:11:32]

Beirdo:

but people are too lazy to set a unique username :)

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Beirdo:

kormoc: on OFTC, a services error auto-klined *!*@* once

[18:11:59]

JEDIDIAH__:

.

[18:12:05]

JEDIDIAH__:

what's up?

[18:12:09]

kormoc:

ha

[18:12:26]

wagnerrp:

oklahoma

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Beirdo:

and my friend that WROTE the services went "OH *BLEEEEP*" just before it klined him

[18:12:36]

kormoc:

Penguins

[18:12:46]

Beirdo:

my blood pressure

[18:13:04]

kormoc:

Skateboarding owls

[18:13:05]

wagnerrp:

the insanity of bash 'programmers'

[18:13:23]

Beirdo:

it was a space in the wrong place or soemthing equally stupid

[18:13:29]

warlord2:

kormoc: hey, would you be willing to accept a patch that adds on-the-fly mpegts transcode to mythweb?

[18:13:30]

JEDIDIAH__:

[shares] some of his crazy with the rest of the group...

[18:13:45]

wagnerrp:

warlord2: to what end?

[18:14:02]

wagnerrp:

AFAIK, flash player doesnt support mpegts

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xris:

warlord2: using what tech?

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warlord2:

wagnerrp: to allow downloading programs to my laptop while I'm not at home.

[18:14:18]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: step 3: profit!

[18:14:25]

warlord2:

xris: ffmpeg

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JEDIDIAH__:

if you set m_videoButtonTree->SetNodeByString() to be file rather than directory is there any way to have the focus on the file rather than the top level directory?

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wagnerrp:

warlord2: any such capacity would be better served put in mythbackend

[18:14:39]

gbee:

Beirdo: dunno if you caught it, but Freenode had a similar 'oops' moment earlier today, users being k-lined as they joined because a 'gateway' script had a bug

[18:14:50]

Beirdo:

hehe

[18:14:55]

wagnerrp:

at which point mythweb would continue to just pipe you a stream from the backend

[18:14:56]

xris:

wagnerrp: there's not really any point...

[18:15:12]

xris:

er, warlord2 ...

[18:15:15]

Beirdo:

well OFTC was every user :) thousands shed in seconds... idle server :)

[18:15:23]

warlord2:

wagnerrp: how would the backend know which programs I want to download? I only want to transcode when I'm on a trip.

[18:15:27]

Beirdo:

big oops

[18:15:28]

xris:

warlord2: what format do your files record as?

[18:15:32]

gbee:

actually, I mis-read it, it was 'web gateway' users, basically the same deal though

[18:15:36]

JEDIDIAH__:

[has] started to reform his evil bash scripting ways.

[18:15:39]

gbee:

[Global Notice] Hi all. We just had a minor incident with an automated bot killing web gateway users as they connected. We've since disciplined it and things are back to normal. Sorry for the inconvenience and noise.

[18:15:41]

wagnerrp:

warlord2: the same way it knows already

[18:15:42]

Beirdo:

yeah, fun

[18:15:43]

** kormoc eyes JEDIDIAH__ **

[18:15:46]

warlord2:

xris: raw mpeg off the HDHR

[18:15:57]

xris:

warlord2: which is... mpegts.. so why convert it again?

[18:15:58]

warlord2:

wagnerrp: meaning it doesn't... I have to tell it.

[18:16:10]

warlord2:

xris: lower bitrate/size

[18:16:12]

kormoc:

xris: he has a limited upstream and it won't fit realtime?

[18:16:14]

wagnerrp:

you download a file from mythweb, mythweb requests that file from the backend

[18:16:28]

warlord2:

wagnerrp: it doesn't for flv.

[18:16:34]

kormoc:

warlord2: sure it does

[18:16:34]

warlord2:

for flv it transcodes in realtime

[18:16:38]

wagnerrp:

im saying the proper way to do that would be for mythweb to request a transcoded file from the backend

[18:16:40]

Beirdo:

hehehe

[18:16:48]

kormoc:

or wait

[18:16:54]

wagnerrp:

and that then the backend would be programmed to allow on-the-fly transcoding

[18:16:56]

kormoc:

flv required direct access still doesn't it?

[18:17:09]

wagnerrp:

i dont know... you wrote it

[18:17:13]

warlord2:

wagnerrp: so have the backend transcode in realtime and have mythweb feed it out as it's being transcoded?

[18:17:16]

xris:

warlord2: flv is "unsupported trial feature".. if you want other formats, create a user job to export your files

[18:17:26]

wagnerrp:

warlord2: thats the ideal method, yes

[18:17:30]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: expecting me to remember xris' code is a bit much :P

[18:18:16]

warlord2:

xris: I dont necessarily know a priori which shows I'll want to download, and I dont want to transcode shows I'm not going to download (which is why I want them on-the-fly). And generally I'm always network limited, not CPU limited.

[18:18:39]

JEDIDIAH__:

...actually I take that back somewhat.

[18:18:58]

wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: bash scripting is perfectly fine

[18:19:07]

xris:

warlord2: it's not worth adding nonstandard code to mythweb for one odd use case, though.

[18:19:08]

wagnerrp:

bash writing of very long and in depth programs is not

[18:19:17]

warlord2:

wagnerrp: Hmm.. I suppose that could work if there's some way for mythweb to kick off a transcode and then not wait for it to finish before it starts feeding out the data.

[18:19:24]

kormoc:

xris: to be fair, it's super isolated to do

[18:19:44]

xris:

warlord2: we thought about that. that's why we were adding multiple-video-file support to the backend for recordings.

[18:19:45]

warlord2:

xris: it's not at all nonstandard — it's just a copy of stream_flv.pl with a few changes.

[18:19:50]

kormoc:

xris: add another stream_mpeg2ts.pl file, add a extension hook for it in stream.pl, done

[18:19:54]

wagnerrp:

warlord2: transcoding would be added to the existing file streaming methods

[18:19:56]

xris:

warlord2: which is one file for one user.

[18:20:19]

warlord2:

Maybe... If you advertized it other people might still use it.

[18:20:24]

wagnerrp:

namely the backend FILETRANSFER mode, and http://myth:6543/Myth/GetRecording/

[18:20:28]

j-rod:

wagnerrp: in my distro, I get full resolution frame buffer out of the box… even with live cds... :D

[18:20:59]

gbee:

s/distro/hardware/

[18:21:00]

wagnerrp:

shaddup... :P

[18:21:07]

xris:

warlord2: right. but I'd much rather leave the feature off to get people to bug other devs to finish upgrading mythtranscode to make this easier. :)

[18:21:21]

wagnerrp:

yeah, im running an old rage128... the normal methods for framebuffer didnt work right

[18:21:23]

** kormoc bugs xris to get the backend transcoding **

[18:21:24]

warlord2:

But hey, I'm happy to not give it back if you guys don't want it.

[18:21:26]

j-rod:

gbee: well, does rely upon having either intel or radeon or nvidia graphics...

[18:21:27]

wagnerrp:

which is why it took a while to get it working

[18:21:35]

j-rod:

but, um, what else is actually *worth* having?

[18:21:36]

xris:

kormoc: you want to bug the other chris

[18:21:49]

gbee:

j-rod: oh, nvidia is supported now?

[18:21:58]

j-rod:

wagnerrp: egad, rage128...

[18:22:07]

wagnerrp:

j-rod: yeah... very aged laptop

[18:22:15]

j-rod:

gbee: yep, we've got two guys employed full-time working on nouveau now

[18:22:18]

wagnerrp:

but hey, its got a UXGA screen so its still a nice X server

[18:22:32]

j-rod:

Fedora 13 will even have rudimentary 3D support in nouveau

[18:23:06]

warlord2:

j-rod: but probably not VPDAU

[18:23:13]

j-rod:

uh, yeah, notsomuch :)

[18:23:16]

wagnerrp:

does nouveau support that direct-fb-to-X thing?

[18:23:21]

j-rod:

yes

[18:23:25]

j-rod:

and dual-head

[18:23:29]

gbee:

j-rod: ah well, yeah, I was thinking of the proprietary driver

[18:23:42]

gbee:

but that's my mistake

[18:23:42]

warlord2:

true zaphod-mode dual-head?

[18:23:52]

** kormoc blinks **

[18:24:02]

j-rod:

I don't know if it'll do zaphod mode

[18:24:02]

wagnerrp:

as in independent screens?

[18:24:11]

** wagnerrp does not know what zaphod mode is **

[18:24:15]

j-rod:

definitely does spanning desktop

[18:24:22]

kormoc:

I'm guessing setting up dual x displays

[18:24:34]

j-rod:

yeah, dual independent X's

[18:24:35]

wagnerrp:

separate screens? or full separate servers?

[18:24:36]

kormoc:

my preferred style, no window dragging between them

[18:24:59]

warlord2:

zaphod mode means completely separate X screens, :0.0 and :0.1, so I can start an app and send it to the other screen without moving... And both screens could theoretically have their own gnome-panel

[18:25:05]

kormoc:

I use one x server with independent displays, :0.0 and :0.1

[18:25:16]

j-rod:

dual-nvidia card was borked last time I tried it though, making quad-head still only possible with the binary nvidia blob

[18:25:18]

warlord2:

kormoc: I got really upset when the intel driver dropped zaphod mode!

[18:25:30]

** j-rod remembers this.. ;) **

[18:25:51]

** kormoc doesn't recall intel dropping it, but doesn't remember the last time he used intel **

[18:26:08]

j-rod:

its was in the i810 driver

[18:26:18]

j-rod:

it never got implemented in the new intel driver

[18:26:22]

warlord2:

Right, it was in the i810, dropped in 'intel', and i810 no longer works.

[18:26:24]

wagnerrp:

yeah, last time i used intel was when my laptop was in for repair

[18:26:36]

kormoc:

so it wasn't dropped, just wasn't added

[18:26:40]

wagnerrp:

and i swapped my hard drive into my parent's laptop with i810

[18:26:46]

warlord2:

well, the feature was dropped in the driver rewrite.

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: the mythicallibrarian discussion has started back up on mythtvtalk if you wanted to chime in

[18:28:58]

wagnerrp:

his last post makes me realize theres little point to it though

[18:29:03]

j-rod:

ooh, hockey east finals tickets..

[18:29:22]

wagnerrp:

in one ear and out the other with his type

[18:29:39]

wagnerrp:

harder, better, faster, wronger...

[18:30:44]

kormoc:

it's like a daft punk song in here

[18:31:22]

wagnerrp:

be bo be bo be bo be bo be bo be bo, dun dun, dun dun

[18:31:56]

jolaren:

sight.. way to ruin a friday evening at home..

[18:33:01]

warlord2:

kormoc: so just to sum up from before, you don't care to see my diff?

[18:33:23]

kormoc:

warlord2: that's xris' baby, and he thinks no

[18:33:36]

warlord2:

Oh, it was your name in all those files.

[18:33:53]

warlord2:

xris: so you don't want to see my diff?

[18:34:02]

kormoc:

warlord2: we're both mythweb

[18:34:06]

wagnerrp:

go head and put up a page on the wiki if you want

[18:34:10]

kormoc:

I just ran out of time after he did

[18:34:23]

wagnerrp:

but its not something that would be committed to the sources

[18:35:05]

warlord2:

okay.

[18:35:35]

wagnerrp:

if possible, you may want to pipe the content in over the web server, rather than straight from a file

[18:36:06]

warlord2:

wagnerrp: I dont understand what you mean

[18:36:09]

xris:

warlord2: could always put it in a bug so it gets indexed for other people searching.

[18:36:21]

xris:

and I won't close it for several months because I'm so behind on things. :)

[18:36:27]

warlord2:

Heh....

[18:36:42]

kormoc:

but iamlindoro has a 3 minute and 4 second bug close average right now, so he might :P

[18:37:02]

wagnerrp:

warlord2: http://mythbackend:6543/Myth/GetRecording?Cha . . . whatever>

[18:37:04]

warlord2:

Well, I was going to do that if you had said "we'll consider it" ;)

[18:37:30]

wagnerrp:

pipe the content from that URL into ffmpeg, and then the result back over the http socket

[18:38:09]

wagnerrp:

makes it usable in cases where you have multiple backends, or the web server is not on a backend

[18:38:44]

wagnerrp:

ChanId, not ChanID

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kormoc:

not overly hard to modify stream.pl to do so and create a named pipe for us to pass into ffmpeg in the stream_format.pl module

[18:40:08]

warlord2:

I should note that my change is to 0.22

[18:40:39]

wagnerrp:

that capacity has existed as long as upnp has been in mythtv

[18:40:41]

wagnerrp:

is that 0.21?

[18:41:31]

xris:

iamlindoro: you want to pick up where Captain_Murdoch left off on the mythffmpeg/mythREALtranscode project? :)

[18:41:56]

wagnerrp:

piling more things on him to handle?

[18:41:58]

warlord2:

wagnerrp: if the flv code did it I would've done it ;)

[18:42:13]

wagnerrp:

xris: remember, it has to be something without the 'myth' name in it

[18:42:16]

warlord2:

Anyways, I need to get back to work.

[18:42:22]

warlord2:

Thanks.

[18:42:42]

kormoc:

MythicalRealTranscoder Gold

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wagnerrp:

warlord2: check out mythmusic

[18:43:19]

wagnerrp:

specifically mythplugins/mythweb/modules/music/stream.php, bottom of the file

[18:43:45]

wagnerrp:

it will stream from a local file if it exists, otherwise pulling over the backend web server

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kormoc:

you'll need to do it differently for the stream handler

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but it at least explains how to get the content

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kormoc:

you'll need to have perl request it, create a named FIFO pipe, and point the ffmpeg system call to transcode on that named pipe

[18:44:17]

kormoc:

true enough

[18:44:20]

jolaren:

I still have warranty on all the parts in the computer, I just dont know what parts are the parts with the errors

[18:44:30]

jolaren:

I've been googling for PSU error beep but cant find anything

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kormoc:

jolaren: take it all back and see what they say

[18:45:08]

jolaren:

Think I'll have to pay alot for that (i have to send it back by post)

[18:45:25]

wagnerrp:

you dont have compatible spare parts laying around?

[18:45:42]

wagnerrp:

an old power supply you could test?

[18:45:54]

wagnerrp:

start pulling parts out of the system, memory and everything

[18:45:56]

jolaren:

I will screw my old computer apart (from 2001) and see if it has plug

[18:46:10]

wagnerrp:

all you need is a board and processor

[18:46:26]

wagnerrp:

if those are good, you will at least get some incessant beeping that you have no memory

[18:47:51]

jolaren:

okay cuz this psu doesnt have sata

[18:47:55]

jolaren:

so i cant boot my hdd

[18:48:09]

wagnerrp:

no adapters?

[18:48:15]

wagnerrp:

who needs a hard drive

[18:48:26]

warlord2:

Thanks for the pointers.

[18:48:26]

wagnerrp:

if you can get to the POST screen, youre golden

[18:48:50]

warlord2:

* grumbles * a/v sync is off in my mpeg transcode due to source errors.

[18:50:37]

** wagnerrp wonders if the python mysql bindings support prepared statements like the perl ones **

[18:53:13]

jolaren:

;/ 20 plug power thigny in the old one and 24 in the new one

[18:53:54]

wagnerrp:

seems not

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Beirdo:

any reason #7145 still exists?

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wagnerrp:

i can do 'statement = "whatever"; cursor.execute(statement, data); cursor.execute(statement, moredata)'

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wagnerrp:

but perl's 'db->prepare(statement); db->execute(data); db->execute(moredata)' is just cleaner

[18:55:26]

Beirdo:

aye

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: because it hasnt been committed yet, but its not going to be outright discarded

[18:56:06]

wagnerrp:

the plan is to set up some sort of theme server on services.mythtv.org

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Beirdo:

Ahhh, K.

[18:56:28]

Beirdo:

duh.

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Beirdo:

hehe

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gbee:

fair warning though, that's been the plan for a couple of years now ...

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wagnerrp:

heh

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Beirdo:

pardon the brain fart

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Beirdo:

yeah well. We should jsut do it sometime :)

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wagnerrp:

s/We/I/

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Beirdo:

could use XPIs hehe

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wagnerrp:

gbee: i think we have a volunteer!

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Beirdo:

just to complicate stuff

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wagnerrp:

:P

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Beirdo:

ummm, you are volunteering? :)

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Beirdo:

I volunteer kormoc. He's not too busy with working and moving... :)

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gbee:

really it's just a question on someone taking the time to do the server side stuff, I've already said I'd do the client side in mythfrontend once we have a system in place

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wagnerrp:

nah, you get me programming web APIs and youll end up something of 'mythical' quality

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Beirdo:

yeah. well after moving, perhaps I can work with kormoc on such fun

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gbee:

the server side is ultimately much more complicated, it needs to manage user accounts, accept compressed submissions, extract the themeinfo.xml to populate the theme metadata (name, version, aspect ratio, resolution), and then provide a lightweight API for clients to query available themes, retrieve thumbnails etc

[19:00:34]

Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

it's almost akin to using Firefox extensions

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Beirdo:

hence the crack about XPI :)

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gbee:

it would also need to do a raft of things like let themers replace versions of their theme already uploaded with newer versions etc

[19:02:27]

wagnerrp:

right now the page says 'hi'

[19:02:30]

wagnerrp:

its so friendly

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mag0o:

it should say 'hi sweeite' to be friendlier

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mag0o:

s/sweeite/sweetie/

[19:03:01]

Beirdo:

translations...

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Beirdo:

you could move the current translation stuff (and for themes) to something web-based with some work too

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Beirdo:

babelzilla-esque

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wagnerrp:

you could just do everything static for now

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wagnerrp:

i doubt they would change much

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Beirdo:

true

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wagnerrp:

and themeinfo doesnt support any sort of description does it?

[19:04:54]

Beirdo:

they shouldn't :)

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gbee:

wagnerrp: it does

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gbee:

and anything it currently lacks can easily be added, beauty of xml :p

[19:08:36]

wagnerrp:

you could pipe it through google translate... im sure that would provide endless amusement

[19:08:43]

wagnerrp:

or maybe about three minutes worth

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I want Japlish

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Beirdo:

doubt Google supports it though

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mag0o:

jquery has a plugin that uses google translate to translate on the fly

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mag0o:

or as needed

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Beirdo:

we could emulate it... English -> Chinese -> Japanese -> German -> English should be close

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sphery:

wagnerrp: and iamlindoro was planning to do the same trick he just did for ALSA audio devices for themes--with the new selector he'll write, it will show the description info (etc) in the help area

[19:10:14]

gbee:

don't think it's a big deal, do other extension/theme download systems automatically translate or even offer non-english descriptions?

[19:10:16]

Beirdo:

or put Turkish in the middle of the chain ;)

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Beirdo:

gbee: no clue

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sphery:

mag0o: wonder if MS will change that to Bing--now that they're planning on really supporting JQuery

[19:10:56]

Beirdo:

but we do have a significant non-English userbase

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gbee:

Beirdo: aye, no disregarding them, but no-sense trying to engineer a solution to a problem that no-one bigger has managed to solve

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gbee:

s/no/not/

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

we COULD be the trend setters :)

[19:12:10]

gbee:

wow, train wreck of a sentence

[19:12:15]

Beirdo:

dunno that we wanna be

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sphery:

mag0o: your new theme sounds a lot like the "great for X forwarding" theme I've been dreaming of...

[19:14:31]

mag0o:

:)

[19:14:34]

sphery:

(unless it's using shapes instead of images or something :)\

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sphery:

er, I should say, "tons of complex ..."

[19:14:54]

mag0o:

trying to go lite

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sphery:

cool

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mag0o:

roundbox with cornerradius should be the most complex

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sphery:

might become my new choice for ssh/X forwarding during development :)

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mag0o:

it'll be the 64 calorie theme

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sphery:

heh

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Beirdo:

nice

[19:16:32]

sphery:

even better than those 100-calorie snack packs!

[19:16:38]

mag0o:

exactly!

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Beirdo:

I still toy with the idea of a ncurses-like theme somehow

[19:17:00]

Beirdo:

for the retro UNIX users

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gbee:

ascii video?

[19:17:21]

Beirdo:

heh, wonder if I could make an ASCII video renderer too

[19:17:22]

Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

I have a plan for one, but it requires being able to force a specific menu theme. If we can't do that by Apr 1, I'll have to wait at least a year to release it.

[19:17:29]

Beirdo:

that would be hilarious

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Beirdo:

but the menus can at least look like console :)

[19:18:00]

sphery:

I noticed that new xprop actually shows window icons in ASCII art

[19:18:03]

Beirdo:

dunno how long anyone would wanna use it :)

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gbee:

Beirdo: ffmpeg already has an ASCII video renderer

[19:18:05]

sphery:

that surprised me

[19:18:14]

Beirdo:

gbee: oh, true :)

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Beirdo:

hehehehe

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Beirdo:

good luck with HD :)

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Beirdo:

but that would be funny over ssh

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sphery:

maybe nvidia could get on board and change it from Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix to Video Decode and Presentation in ASCII for Unix.

[19:19:27]

Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

get some real ASCII hardware assist going...

[19:19:43]

Beirdo:

hehe

[19:19:49]

Beirdo:

you'd likely need it

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sphery:

even low res is extremely slow when you have a tiny font

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sphery:

and, really, if you do it, you might as well go caca instead of aalib

[19:20:22]

Beirdo:

caca?

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Beirdo:

like throw crap on the screen?

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sphery:

pretty much :) http://caca.zoy.org/

[19:20:42]

JEDIDIAH__:

it's tradition

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Beirdo:

sorry... I live in a Spanish-speaking area

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sphery:

that's actually where the name came from

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sphery:

look at the logo

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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sphery:

specifically http://caca.zoy.org/wiki/libcaca

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Beirdo:

yup, must use libcaca

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sphery:

it's pretty cool--but it's /way/ slow even compared to aalib when you have color and non-ascii characters involved

[19:22:29]

sphery:

he also has an interesting license for it

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sphery:

violates channel rules, though, to name it

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Beirdo:

but if we put libcaca into the GPU :)

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Beirdo:

GPUcaca

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wagnerrp:

sphery: just abbreviate... DWTFYWTPL

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sphery:

that might work

[19:24:54]

wagnerrp:

pronounced dwitfwitpul

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mag0o:

hehe, that's a funny license

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sphery:

wonder if it's OSL-approved

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Beirdo:

hehe, probably

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wagnerrp:

i wonder what version 1 was

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wagnerrp:

'Bradley Kuhn was quoted saying that the FSFs folks agree the WTFPL is a valid free software license'

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sphery:

er, OSI-approved

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wagnerrp:

libpipi

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wagnerrp:

'support for bigger-than-RAM images'

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wagnerrp:

just how large of image are we talking that it exceeds the ram of the system?

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sphery:

I can't imagine anyone would need more than 640KB

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Beirdo:

this guy MUST be Hispanic or something

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Jay2k1:

mmh, i seem to have a problem with mythmusic – songs by rise against are not shown

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Jay2k1:

seems mythmusic doesn't like that band o.O

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sphery:

I'm guessing there's something different about those files

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Beirdo:

OMG, he's running buildbot for libcaca and libpipi

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Jay2k1:

when trying to add the band's folder manually via utilities/setup -> add, it says the song is already in the database

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sphery:

or they have tags to hide them in playlists with "cooler" artist names--like "Britney" or "Jessica"

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Jay2k1:

heh

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gbee:

Jay2k1: tried searching with Menu > Search?

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Jay2k1:

yup

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gbee:

odd

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Jay2k1:

searched for artist name, song name... nothing

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Jay2k1:

i checked the db, its there too

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sphery:

check the tags in it to verify you're searching for the right stuff

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gbee:

and when you imported, there was metadata? It was all tagged correctly?

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Jay2k1:

i copied the whole collection with rsync, songs/bands before and after are there

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Jay2k1:

yeah, its my existing music collection, and i am very strict concerning tagging my music

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Jay2k1:

two files were made and tagged by myself, the third was bought via itunes

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Jay2k1:

nvm

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Beirdo:

pebcak?

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Wicked:

hmm hello all. i just built my new rig and migrated mythtv from my desktop over to the new computer. Im having a small issue though......now when i try to connect from my desktop to the server with mythfrontend and try to watch a recording i see this in the mythtfrontend log: ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1007_20100318210000.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.

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gbee:

Wicked: frontend has a different hostname to the backend?

[19:37:09]

Jay2k1:

Beirdo: not really... this is weird actually. the artist does not appear in music_artists

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gbee:

Jay2k1: what artistid do the tracks have>

[19:37:29]

gbee:

?

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Jay2k1:

instead the composers appear

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Jay2k1:

thats how i found out, i looked for the songs and noticed that their artist ids differ

[19:38:04]

Wicked:

gbee, yea.

[19:38:05]

gbee:

what version? I thought I fixed that bug already

[19:38:14]

Jay2k1:

0.22-fixes

[19:38:23]

Jay2k1:

oh, not me.

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gbee:

Jay2k1: no, you

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Wicked:

fe/be used to be on here(Zero) but moved them over to the new server(Core)......so now im connecting from Zero to Core with the frontend and get that message

[19:39:29]

Jay2k1:

so i take it it's a known bug

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sphery:

wagnerrp: as if 3D on the TV weren't bad enough: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1597 . . . -mobile-tips

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gbee:

hmm, for some reason it thinks they are compilations when importing and it's using the TPE4 field as the compilation artist, it's not, but a few crappy taggers put the compilation artist there so apparently we 'have to support it'

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Wicked:

crap...ill have to figure it out later...something just came up.....i gotta go. thanks anyways :)]

[19:40:15]

Beirdo:

sphery: ooooh, so now you can crash your car in style with funky glasses on?

[19:40:22]

Jay2k1:

i love companies not following standards

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Jay2k1:

-_-

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gbee:

Jay2k1: maybe I fixed it after the 0.22 release and never backported

[19:40:35]

sphery:

Beirdo: in theory no glasses required...

[19:40:45]

sphery:

but you have to hold the cell phone at a specific angle

[19:40:47]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:40:52]

Beirdo:

CRASH!

[19:40:54]

sphery:

yep

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Jay2k1:

i seeeee

[19:41:50]

Jay2k1:

there's "artist" and "album artist" having the same value

[19:41:51]

gbee:

Jay2k1: I suggest editing the metadata in mythmusic now that you've found them, INFO (I)

[19:41:53]

Jay2k1:

in the ID3 i mean

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ive got no problem with that

[19:42:13]

wagnerrp:

we have one of those screens at work, the work great

[19:42:17]

sphery:

but why do you need 3D on a phone?

[19:42:23]

wagnerrp:

the only problem is the pathetic resolution

[19:42:32]

wagnerrp:

and yeah... who needs 3d on a mobile phone

[19:42:40]

sphery:

that's my complaint

[19:42:43]

Jay2k1:

no, I'll do it on my source computer as I update my htpc library using rsync regularly

[19:42:45]

gbee:

Jay2k1: I'll take another look at the code when I have time and try to put this one to bed

[19:42:50]

sphery:

"because we can" just isn't a good enough reason

[19:43:02]

sphery:

unfortunately, though, it seems to be for many consumers

[19:43:36]

wagnerrp:

come on now, with that attitude, no science would ever get done

[19:43:39]

gbee:

who needs 3D? Seriously, I must be the last one on the planet to understand this craze

[19:43:55]

sphery:

I'm with you, gbee

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kormoc:

gbee: games, games, and more games

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sphery:

^^^ being the only reason I can see for it

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Jay2k1:

at least on the phone. i liked final destination 4 in 3d though

[19:44:25]

wagnerrp:

gbee: i _USE_ the stuff and i dont see a purpose for 3D

[19:44:28]

sphery:

Yeah, for an occasional movie at the theater, it's fine

[19:44:53]

wagnerrp:

the head tracking tech where you can move your POV, and look around the object in question is much more immersive

[19:45:34]

Jay2k1:

let's face it – we're all waiting for the holo deck

[19:46:23]

wagnerrp:

Jay2k1: for that, we just dump renders into our 3D printer

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Jay2k1:

:)

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AndyCap:

Jay2k1: the last invention mankind will ever make

[19:55:17]

Jay2k1:

given that the replicator has been invented before

[19:55:50]

AndyCap:

nah, we'll starve to death if we don't have the replicator.

[19:55:52]

Beirdo:

and the tranporter

[19:55:57]

AndyCap:

unless you can eat holo-food.

[19:56:00]

Beirdo:

transporter...

[19:56:09]

AndyCap:

I'd rather not have the transporter.

[19:56:13]

Beirdo:

beam me to Seattle, thanks.

[19:56:19]

Beirdo:

no more sitting on planes

[19:56:23]

Beirdo:

no mre TSA

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Jay2k1:

haha

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Jay2k1:

holo food

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AndyCap:

Seems someone shamelessly ripped of Scott Adams, the dilbert future, but here: http://www.c4vct.com/kym/humor/futrek.htm

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Jay2k1:

gbee: heh, i just tried to edit the metadata using i

[19:58:28]

Jay2k1:

there i noticed that the text in the artist field is so long that there's a horizontal scrollbar, covering the text

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Jay2k1:

http://pub.jay2k1.com/screenshots/JollysFastVNC.png

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Jay2k1:

gnngh

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Jay2k1:

typo-free: http://pub.jay2k1.com/screenshots/mythtv.png

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Jay2k1:

also, welcome back to the "translation-too-long-in-current-theme" topic

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Beirdo:

OMG

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Beirdo:

this new IRCd is Sooo much better

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Beirdo:

hey freenode... fix yer network

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Beirdo:

sphery: #7653 Can we just put that in and close it? :)

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gbee:

as far as the "translation is too long", I've so far kept out of the debate, but IMHO something has to give, you can't design something that works for every language and still allows you to fit everything on screen, or laid out the way you want

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Beirdo:

actually, gbee, that ticket WAS yours for a bit :)

[20:17:30]

Beirdo:

stupid lircd needing \n.

[20:18:05]

Jay2k1:

yeah thats true

[20:18:17]

sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, I was just thinking about that one today. It seems that it's right--based on http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/425239#425239

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sphery:

funny how you brought it up just after I was thinking about it... Get out of my head, man!

[20:18:40]

gbee:

there are two solutions 1) Translators get creative and stop doing word for word translations where possible – might work some of the time 2) New themes are created to suite the requirements of a particular language, something that I always imagined would be necessary for RTL languages anyway

[20:18:49]

Beirdo:

K. I'd be happy to squash it if you don't wanna

[20:19:08]

sphery:

gbee: I agree, completely

[20:19:34]

sphery:

gbee: though those super-long texts on buttons are probably not quite right, anyway

[20:20:47]

gbee:

sphery: aye, wasn't too happy with that, preserved it because it was the old and understood layout, might be better done with "label: value"

[20:21:00]

sphery:

Beirdo: feel free... Oh, and FWIW, the comment at the top of libs/libmythui/lirc_client.* imply that it's /much/ more closely related to the upstream versions than it is.

[20:21:10]

Jay2k1:

i agree that translators should also think about making "short" translations where possible and not always translate word by word

[20:21:19]

Jay2k1:

still, some themes could use some more space for the text

[20:21:20]

Beirdo:

sphery: K ;)

[20:21:40]

sphery:

gbee: yeah... I won't pretend to be able to design a better UI, but it's strange to have buttons with very long strings on them

[20:22:12]

Jay2k1:

but... noone needs a horizontal scrollbar in a single line text field :)

[20:22:17]

gbee:

sphery: it's not good from a UI perspective, but I don't claim to be an expert either

[20:22:24]

sphery:

and my suggestion of rethinking the design was not aimed at your work on porting it--but just intended to suggest the opportunity to make it better

[20:22:30]

Beirdo:

sphery: the patch in the mailing list thread... likely necessary too, or is taht untested

[20:22:41]

sphery:

Beirdo: it's 100% untested...

[20:22:47]

sphery:

(if you mean the one I posted)

[20:23:01]

Beirdo:

yup, I do

[20:23:01]

sphery:

but it just updates the code we have with the upstream version

[20:23:17]

Beirdo:

OK. I'll apply the one from the ticket to start

[20:23:19]

Beirdo:

heh

[20:23:23]

sphery:

I don't have any remotes on my dev box, so I never tested it

[20:23:25]

Beirdo:

all 2 bytes of it

[20:23:31]

sphery:

yeah, I say for now, the ticket one is good

[20:23:39]

sphery:

after 0.23 we can consider updating lirc_client.*

[20:23:52]

Beirdo:

we might want to create a new ticket to not lose that patch though

[20:23:55]

Beirdo:

yeah

[20:24:13]

sphery:

(I have the patch in my quilt series where I won't forget it... But I won't be able to really test it without running it in production for a while.)

[20:24:39]

sphery:

and I'm not yet there

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wagnerrp:

gbee: i would think setting a maximum character length for certain fields would be ideal

[20:24:53]

wagnerrp:

but i dont know how you would resolve different fonts with different spacing for characters

[20:24:56]

sphery:

(my production system is not set up to run current trunk)

[20:25:15]

wagnerrp:

you cant set a maximum character length, or pixel length, without knowing the font

[20:25:18]

sphery:

Beirdo: btw, thanks for taking care of it

[20:25:23]

sphery:

especially if you can actually test it

[20:25:44]

sphery:

(as lircrcd is a strange beast)

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Beirdo:

I can't at the moment, but the \n is a glaring bug :)

[20:26:11]

** wagnerrp needs to come up with better names for classes in the bindings **

[20:26:18]

Beirdo:

the other patch we'll get in there in a bit and test the heck out of it ;)

[20:27:34]

sphery:

Yeah. I wsa just holding off on that patch since lircrcd is /very/ uncommonly used. Few people have even figured out how to use LIRC modes, let alone using LIRC modes across applications that are started at different time. Fewer still actually try to do that.

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Jay2k1:

btw guys, i had an idea, i dunno if someone else has come up with it already, and i have no idea if its possible to make, but imagine following situation

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sphery:

so it just wasn't that high a priority--but since all the high priority things on Trac (milestone 0.23) are things I can't help with, I'm revisiting the lower prio things :)

[20:28:19]

gbee:

I've considered silence many times

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Beirdo:

yeah, you likely won't forget you did the patch though :) so not all is lost

[20:28:40]

** wagnerrp contemplates the sound of silence **

[20:28:55]

sphery:

well, I meant holding off on #7653's patch

[20:29:05]

Jay2k1:

i watch a recording on the FE for like 20 minutes. then i decide to go to bed and continue watching on my laptop. i go into the webinterface and can now either stream from the beginning or download the file (given that the recording already finished) and scroll to the position where i stopped watching

[20:29:07]

kormoc:

I love silence, it's like so silent and like what not

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sphery:

but what you said is true, too

[20:29:22]

Beirdo:

mmmm, sound of silence

[20:29:28]

sphery:

I hear Bob likes silence

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wagnerrp:

Jay2k1: set a bookmark, resume from bookmark

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: we don't have bookmark resume via mythweb

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Jay2k1:

exactly

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kormoc:

nor can we easily

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wagnerrp:

oh, didnt catch 'webinterface'

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sphery:

the problem here is that you're using something != mythfrontend for playback

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sphery:

get a bedroom frontend

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Jay2k1:

haha

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wagnerrp:

sphery++

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kormoc:

As a mythweb developer, sphery++

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Jay2k1:

heh

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sphery:

Sheesh. MS was able to lock everyone into their programs. How come we can't do it?

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Jay2k1:

developers 1up huh

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wagnerrp:

as some also developing methods of accessing mythtv content outside of mythtv, sphery++

[20:31:23]

Jay2k1:

ok ok got it

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wagnerrp:

basically, there is no way to communicate to an external program that you want to 'start here'

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wagnerrp:

you could just truncate the stream

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Jay2k1:

i just thought maybe it'd be possible to make an asx stream from a certain position

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wagnerrp:

but then you couldnt rewind

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sphery:

Jay2k1: other approaches would be considered if accompanied with a patch... I'm somewhat joking in my insistence about using mythfrontend.

[20:32:21]

Jay2k1:

i know, although it'd be possible for me since mythFE runs on os x

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Jay2k1:

:D

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sphery:

(though I do use it--and specifically /because/ of the features it provides when used with MythTV recordings)

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Beirdo:

ugh

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wagnerrp:

and then you have all sorts of other problems about interfacing with the markup tables and reconciling the byte position

[20:32:51]

Beirdo:

#8135. too bad that didn't go in BEFORE translation started :)

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j-rod:

latest xbmc svn trunk finally lists episode name along with show name when talking to a mythtv backend

[20:33:50]

j-rod:

not sure if it sets bookmarks in myth or uses its own internal thing

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sphery:

Beirdo: Yeah. I have a patch that completely changes around the setting labels and help text. It's amazing how broken it is. I'm holding that one for the same reason--because we're in translation freeze.

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j-rod:

I suspect the latter

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j-rod:

(for its 'resume from here' support)

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Beirdo:

yup. Not a bug anyways, just typo city :)

[20:34:17]

sphery:

(that means about 75% of the settings in mythtv-setup and mythfrontend will be affected by my patch :)

[20:34:28]

Beirdo:

woohoo

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Beirdo:

nothing like big sweeping changes

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Beirdo:

be sure to check it in with no notice 10 minutes before release :)

[20:35:00]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

ow wait, that would be just evil

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sphery:

yeah... I've been trying to figure out if the right thing to do is to edit the keys in the i18n files, too, or just let the translators fix their translations...

[20:35:25]

wagnerrp:

anyone want to set up a pool on whether new wiki users will be spammers?

[20:35:42]

sphery:

new wiki users?

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Beirdo:

heh. 80%+ will be

[20:36:03]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Special:Log/newusers

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sphery:

wow, still getting a lot of new user signups

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but about 1/3 of them actually post anything

[20:37:02]

wagnerrp:

theyre just signing up for no good reason

[20:37:10]

sphery:

yeah, why sign up if not editing...

[20:37:24]

Beirdo:

the "me too" syndrome?

[20:37:29]

sphery:

maybe it's a "community" thing--they want to feel like members of the community

[20:37:31]

gbee:

people are idiots, have we not been over this a million times before

[20:37:35]

sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

for instance... i have a feeling about this 'Dison4linux' character

[20:38:23]

wagnerrp:

i think hes going to do bad things

[20:38:39]

Beirdo:

delete him

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Beirdo:

:)

[20:38:58]

wagnerrp:

well then ill never know if im right

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wagnerrp:

wheres the fun in that

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Beirdo:

ah

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Beirdo:

true

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Beirdo:

heh

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gbee:

and the mail storm that will provoke if he's wrong – "[mythtv-users] Why was my wiki account deleted? The developer suck!"

[20:41:17]

Beirdo:

nice pingpong on #3872

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** gbee stamps on the ball **

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Jay2k1:

i keep clicking these links and end up in empty chans -_-

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

so stop clicking on bug numbers

[20:42:29]

Jay2k1:

said that to myself a few times already

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Jay2k1:

didn't work yet

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Beirdo:

gbee: would be good to deal with 0-byte recordings some decade :)

[20:42:38]

sphery:

Jay2k1 just isn't taking the hint... ;)

[20:42:56]

wagnerrp:

me submits bug to beirdobot, 'you dont echo back to the channel with links to trac'

[20:43:18]

wagnerrp:

by god yes thats a bug, and not a feature request

[20:43:18]

Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

says the lowly user

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Jay2k1:

i was just gonna say, that'd be a nice feature for that bot here

[20:43:41]

Beirdo:

it is mostly capable now, just disabled

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Jay2k1:

ah

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sphery:

Beirdo: we always have #6899

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wagnerrp:

what does that even do

[20:44:36]

Beirdo:

hahaha

[20:44:45]

wagnerrp:

i thought that was to detect things like corrupt mpegs, but apparently thats not the case?

[20:44:45]

sphery:

(have to admit that his response to my message in the thread http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/425425#425425 was /much/ better than I expected)

[20:44:46]

Beirdo:

nice concept, but wha?!

[20:45:14]

sphery:

wagnerrp: it runs a script that checks to see if there's a "recognizable" image in the file being created and if not, it stops the recording and restarts it... all external to myth

[20:45:51]

sphery:

also tries to detect emergency broadcasts or other things that "destroy" the recording

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Jay2k1:

sooo... when i flag a movie as seen, how does that help me?

[20:46:43]

Jay2k1:

in other words... i didnt find a place where that flag is actually shown

[20:46:49]

sphery:

that way you know that those bytes on your hard drive are wasted--since you know to never watch it again

[20:47:09]

Beirdo:

sphery: yeah

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sphery:

depending on theme, you may only be able to access it via filters

[20:47:16]

Beirdo:

good response, actually

[20:47:38]

sphery:

Beirdo: yeah, normally he argues with anything I say. So I was really surprised when he agreed.

[20:47:53]

Jay2k1:

makes sense, it'll most likely be a theming issue

[20:49:24]

Beirdo:

the concept of detecting crap recordings and rescheduling is kinda intriguing

[20:49:27]

Beirdo:

but ick

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** wagnerrp is appalled that XvMC is one of the most popular pages on the wiki **

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j-rod:

that's terrifying

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jams:

really?

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j-rod:

xvmc: diaf.

[20:50:23]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Special:PopularPages

[20:50:27]

wagnerrp:

XvMC is #5

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sphery:

Beirdo: he's the same guy who said this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/379572#379572

[20:50:53]

sphery:

(granted, that's before I had commit privs, so I know what he was saying, but still :)

[20:50:58]

kormoc:

f myth users is back?!?!

[20:51:03]

kormoc:

we haven't drove him to insanity yet?

[20:51:04]

wagnerrp:

of course Xbox Frontend is pretty high up there two at #19

[20:51:33]

wagnerrp:

s/two/too/

[20:51:52]

sphery:

none of myt pet pages in the top 50

[20:51:58]

Beirdo:

hehe.

[20:52:13]

kormoc:

Woo! #14

[20:52:15]

Beirdo:

seems Erik Hovland uses a git mirror of myth

[20:52:27]

Beirdo:

#7064 being a diff from git :)

[20:52:31]

sphery:

yeah, he's using a clone of jan neg's

[20:52:35]

wagnerrp:

all of my pet pages are fairly new, and im the only one who accesses them

[20:52:44]

sphery:

if you prefer git, I can give you the link

[20:53:06]

Beirdo:

I do, but I'm fine with svn too :)

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kormoc:

your anti-beep foo confizzled me

[20:53:12]

sphery:

wagnerrp: that's not true--I've been to the Python bindings pages at least 3 times (to look them up to provide a link to others :)

[20:54:15]

Beirdo:

wow. that's quite some patchset too

[20:54:27]

Beirdo:

we should keep him around for code reviews :)

[20:55:08]

sphery:

Yeah, he has access to ... what's the checker...

[20:55:41]

Beirdo:

lint?

[20:55:45]

Beirdo:

something like that

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kormoc:

no, a automated c++ checker

[20:55:53]

sphery:

no, the expensive proprietary static analysis tool

[20:55:57]

kormoc:

it's fairly snazzy

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jams:

sphery- talking about eric ?

[20:56:04]

sphery:

he's using it through NASA, I think

[20:56:05]

sphery:

jams: yeah

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sphery:

I'm blanking on the name of the tool

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jams:

blanking on the name as well

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sphery:

(not Eric, but the static analysis tool)

[20:56:32]

jams:

for some reason i'm thinking ICE but pretty sure thats not it

[20:56:45]

wagnerrp:

MCP?

[20:56:48]

j-rod:

coverity

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Beirdo:

I'd like to try it on some of my code sometime :)

[20:57:02]

sphery:

that's it

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gbee:

Beirdo, sphery: Coverity

[20:57:08]

jams:

yeah coverity

[20:57:23]

j-rod:

he ships me occasional lirc patches from coverity runs too

[20:57:24]

kormoc:

it's not on wikipedia! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tools_fo . . . ode_analysis

[20:57:40]

sphery:

yeah, I went to that same page figuring it would be there

[20:57:43]

j-rod:

um. yes it is.

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j-rod:

under commercial producs

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j-rod:

products

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sphery:

ah, multi-language

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j-rod:

coverity prevent

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gbee:

Beirdo: ever tried cppcheck? Newish open source one that Daniel and I are currently running against myth

[20:58:19]

Beirdo:

no, but I might try it :)

[20:58:26]

kormoc:

ohh, I was looking under c/c++ stuff

[20:58:31]

sphery:

me too

[20:58:47]

j-rod:

playing with clang is on my TODO list

[20:58:49]

Beirdo:

that night be good to automate in buildbot too :)

[20:58:49]

j-rod:

but very very low

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Beirdo:

CLANG!

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** Beirdo goes off like a kid with frying pans **

[20:59:22]

Beirdo:

I am so great!

[20:59:26]

gbee:

not saying that's it's on the same level as Coverity, but with no price tag attached it seems competent

[20:59:31]

j-rod:

wtf is this w/wikipedia listing it as only an objective C analyzer?

[20:59:46]

Beirdo:

clang clang...

[20:59:50]

Beirdo:

sorry :)

[20:59:52]

j-rod:

oh, sorry, its under C and objective C

[20:59:58]

sphery:

j-rod: you know that wikipedia is /never/ subjective

[21:00:02]

kormoc:

Huh

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j-rod:

and it does C++ too

[21:00:09]

kormoc:

we can get free scanning by them if we want

[21:00:10]

gbee:

Beirdo: think I suggested adding one or more static analysis tools to the build stuff

[21:00:15]

kormoc:

http://scan.coverity.com/faq.html#newprojects

[21:00:33]

Beirdo:

gbee: I'm all for it, and any tests we can dream up

[21:00:49]

gbee:

kormoc: again, we've been trying for years, our emails go ignored

[21:00:50]

Beirdo:

especially when I get buildbot up and running and it can be automated :)

[21:00:51]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:00:58]

kormoc:

gbee: aww :(

[21:01:26]

kormoc:

they scan aalib and won't scan myth?

[21:01:28]

kormoc:

silly...

[21:01:37]

sphery:

I tried to do some static analysis on MythTV, but it just looked like normal static to me, so I just retuned the channel and watched the show.

[21:02:06]

sphery:

I'm really suprised at how well Erik can find bugs just watching static.

[21:02:22]

Beirdo:

heh

[21:02:24]

Beirdo:

silly

[21:03:22]

gbee:

"critical infrastructure" seems key to which projects get picked, those few projects which don't fall squarely under that heading are the sort of apps which are commonly installed on most machines

[21:03:59]

Beirdo:

how is aalib critical to anything?

[21:04:20]

** sphery thinks it's used in xprop, now **

[21:04:31]

kormoc:

cause overdose (a yahoo chat client) is so core

[21:04:33]

** kormoc grumps **

[21:04:38]

gbee:

but we really can't know why they won't pick MythTV, since they've never once had the decency to tell us (or even acknowledge receipt of emails)

[21:05:07]

Beirdo:

craazy

[21:06:20]

devinheitmueller:

Alot of the stuff related to Coverity scanning of open source projects was a result of a federal grant. So presumably they are targeting stuff that ends up on government computers.

[21:06:35]

wagnerrp:

like yahoo chat clients?

[21:06:43]

devinheitmueller:

entirely possible.

[21:06:47]

Beirdo:

so mythtv should be good :)

[21:06:49]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:07:00]

Beirdo:

jsut go install it in a federal building somewhere

[21:07:04]

kormoc:

bah

[21:07:10]

devinheitmueller:

The list is probably based off of a default install of whatever distro they commonly deploy.

[21:07:18]

sphery:

Beirdo: check out the ASCII art icons: http://pastebin.ca/1846061

[21:07:28]

gbee:

it might be that since MythTV has already had most of the issues fixed that we wouldn't positively benefit their stats – they may be cherry picking the most bug ridden software just for the headline "1,452,341 bugs found this year!"

[21:07:33]

sphery:

the 3rd one (biggest) is almost recognizable

[21:07:54]

sphery:

Over 1 billion bugs served!

[21:08:19]

Beirdo:

Ooooh

[21:08:28]

jams:

heh can't beleive i blanked on coverity. For work I'm actually one of two people setup as coverity admins.

[21:08:32]

Beirdo:

so MS Office should be in the list

[21:08:55]

Beirdo:

10M bugs found per week

[21:08:57]

Beirdo:

heh

[21:09:02]

sphery:

jams: I did some work with a guy who was working on a product that's their main competitor.

[21:09:23]

sphery:

(don't remember their name, either :)

[21:09:31]

gbee:

Beirdo: it's not the number found that would be significant, it's the "Zero fixed this year" ;)

[21:09:31]

jams:

hehehe

[21:09:49]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:09:52]

Beirdo:

that too

[21:10:27]

sphery:

gbee: No one /fixes/ bugs, anymore... Just like in that article you linked: http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html

[21:10:28]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i dont get it, what are those icons for?

[21:10:49]

sphery:

those are the Firefox (Namoroka) icons. xprop actually shows them in ASCII.

[21:11:02]

gbee:

sphery: heh :p

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devinheitmueller:

gbee: that's definitely part of the problem. Coverity is a neat tool, and can identify hard-to-spot problems. But the reality is there is no shortage of known bugs – the challenge is finding people willing to invest the time to fix them.

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gbee:

I'd quite like to throw a fuzzing tool at myth, the protocol for starters, but the UI too

[21:18:40]

Beirdo:

nice

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wagnerrp:

i could probably whip together a fuzzing tool for the protocol pretty quickly

[21:19:15]

devinheitmueller:

MythTV is probably a pretty "target rich environment" if anybody actually cared to dig into its security.

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wagnerrp:

security?

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: That's what the Coverity tool was designed for.

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gbee:

devinheitmueller: that's even understating it, not one bit of MythTV was ever written with security in mind

[21:20:01]

devinheitmueller:

(and for the most part the reason that fuzzers were invented)

[21:20:35]

wagnerrp:

when you have nothing more than a protocol check for backend communications, and web access to change database settings

[21:20:45]

Beirdo:

gbee: maybe the part that does realtime scheduling had a BIT of security

[21:20:48]

wagnerrp:

theres no much sense of doing a security survey

[21:20:48]

justinh:

mngggggggggggg. Can mythbuntu *please* stop calling trunk MythTV$Current_Version+1 at some point?

[21:21:08]

gbee:

properly securing the basic aspects of MythTV is something I really want to see, too many assumptions are made that we're on a private, isolated and trusted network

[21:21:26]

wagnerrp:

justinh: not until their package manager understands 'trunk'

[21:21:29]

Beirdo:

and single user is the assumption too

[21:21:35]

justinh:

heh I say let fools without a clue cop for all they're due

[21:22:04]

justinh:

is mysql considered hard enough to allow external connections?

[21:22:08]

Beirdo:

they SHOULD be doing 0.23pre-svn12345–1 or the like

[21:22:48]

wagnerrp:

yeah, gentoo calls it something like 0.23_alpha<rev number>

[21:23:02]

Beirdo:

yeah, that would be reasonable

[21:23:32]

wagnerrp:

the version number is outright ignored, and 'alpha' just tells it to hit trunk on subversion

[21:23:33]

kormoc:

justinh: only if extremely required

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kormoc:

justinh: there's *no* brute force limitations for it or the like

[21:23:52]

gbee:

as I mentioned the other week, it's trivial for me to run any command I like with the privledges of the user running either the frontend or backend on any myth machine with just a couple of actions, from any machine on the same network

[21:24:08]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: of the specified revision number

[21:24:09]

justinh:

heh

[21:24:14]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: thats one of the big reasons for going to an internal database, rather than something like drizzle

[21:24:31]

wagnerrp:

or at least one where all database communication is managed by the MBE

[21:24:38]

AndyCap:

YAY!

[21:24:45]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:24:58]

Beirdo:

oh no! not this argument again :)

[21:25:02]

Beirdo:

heh

[21:25:04]

bjd:

Hm, just moved into my new flat the tv doesn't seem to be auto tuning to many freeview chans :/

[21:25:10]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: meh, if we do drizzle, we can write a auth plugin that would prevent that

[21:25:18]

Beirdo:

bjd: move back out?

[21:25:24]

bjd:

might have to :p

[21:25:28]

justinh:

bjd: get a proper house then :)

[21:25:29]

AndyCap:

bjd: cut off the robots antenna?

[21:25:50]

wagnerrp:

gbee: change a setting for the UserJobs, and run one? or are you thinking of another process?

[21:25:51]

justinh:

I lived in a flat for almost 2 years & had to tolerate the worst TV reception I've ever had

[21:26:21]

justinh:

landlord didn't lift a finger to fix it, but fair dues there were plenty other things wrong with the place they sorted out

[21:26:40]

justinh:

like the big flour weevil infestation on the floor below mine :-\

[21:26:54]

Beirdo:

not sure how TV reception is the landlord's problem to fix

[21:27:08]

bjd:

i get stuff like itv2 but not bbc1,2,itv,four,five

[21:27:15]

justinh:

Beirdo: they're responsible for the communal distributed aerial :)

[21:27:23]

Beirdo:

ahhh, gotcha

[21:27:34]

gbee:

wagnerrp: yeah that and other settings, especially with the new event system – there are several uses of system calls with no real validation or restriction on what can be done

[21:27:54]

justinh:

they'd also be responsible for any aerial on a rented house the same way they'd have to be for windows, doors, guttering etc

[21:28:10]

wagnerrp:

ive not looked to see if theres any sort of check on the DELETE_FILE command

[21:28:29]

Beirdo:

wagnerrp: how about "drop database" :)

[21:28:37]

bjd:

analogue is fine, so i'm guessing an aerial upgrade is needed

[21:28:46]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: im talking about affecting stuff outside of mythtv

[21:28:56]

Beirdo:

ah, fair enough

[21:29:08]

jolaren:

wagnerrp, i've done all the error searchin there is now.. couldnt error search the cpu tho so i have to send that in to

[21:29:13]

justinh:

bjd: speak to other residents then, all get together :)

[21:29:14]

wagnerrp:

i mean mythtv has no security, and anyone on the network could destroy the whole thing

[21:29:15]

Beirdo:

if you can drop any database but myth's that's stupid mysql administration :)

[21:29:23]

gbee:

Beirdo: well doing damage within mythtv or to mythtv related files is the easy and possibly expected bit, it's the ability to do things outside myth that's more scary

[21:29:33]

wagnerrp:

but could someone use mythtv to gain access and/or disrupt the computer at large

[21:29:34]

Beirdo:

for sure

[21:29:58]

justinh:

wagnerrp: not with just a remote ;)

[21:30:17]

gbee:

but with a web-browser, or a simple GET ...

[21:30:22]

wagnerrp:

yeah... to hell with using the network

[21:30:27]

wagnerrp:

when i was living in the dorms at school

[21:30:37]

wagnerrp:

someone across the greenspace had an absurdly powerful remote

[21:30:47]

wagnerrp:

and would occasionally turn on my stereo

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Beirdo:

heh

[21:30:51]

wagnerrp:

or change channels on my tv

[21:31:01]

Beirdo:

that sounds like fun

[21:31:13]

jolaren:

wagnerrp, yer a friend of mine has a "all in one remote" on his watch

[21:31:24]

jolaren:

thats quite powerful aswell

[21:31:29]

Beirdo:

change everyone's channel to Lifetime or something, and hear all the screams

[21:31:29]

wagnerrp:

one of those tv-b-gone things?

[21:31:44]

Beirdo:

especially during the Stuperbowl :)

[21:31:45]

jolaren:

I don't know.. it's a remote for almost all tvs etc

[21:31:57]

jolaren:

quite fun tho

[21:32:00]

wagnerrp:

a full remote? or a power button?

[21:32:16]

jolaren:

a power button and he can scroll the switch on his remote to change channel

[21:32:17]

justinh:

people with big TVs at trade shows have learned to cover the IR receiver already :(

[21:32:29]

wagnerrp:

thanks to gizmodo

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Beirdo:

justinh: nice

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Beirdo:

heh

[21:32:49]

wagnerrp:

they got kicked out of CES one year for messing with a video wall

[21:32:59]

jolaren:

anyways McDonalds Kungsgatan here in sweden..

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gbee:

jolaren: those were around 15 years ago, my friend used to use it to wind up teachers at school when they were showing videos

[21:33:04]

jolaren:

he turned all of their tvs off

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jolaren:

hillarious

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jolaren:

gbee, old schoolish

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kormoc:

We used to turn down the volume at school, slowly, so the teacher had to get up every 5 minutes and turn it up

[21:33:55]

Beirdo:

hehehe

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gbee:

heh

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Beirdo:

now that's evil

[21:34:16]

jolaren:

Heh.. we always did netsends in our school

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kormoc:

by we, I mean others, I was typically sleeping during videos

[21:34:24]

jolaren:

hit all of the commercial tvs we had in the lobbys

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Beirdo:

kormoc: well, that sounds better

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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wagnerrp:

big displays running windows

[21:35:02]

wagnerrp:

apparently with messenger still enabled

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kormoc:

huh

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jolaren:

netsend has been disabled since win xp i believe

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jolaren:

or atleast by default

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Beirdo:

bluescreens of death?

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wagnerrp:

no, popup message

[21:35:26]

jolaren:

nono netsend * message

[21:35:38]

jolaren:

it caused a popup message on all users on all the network

[21:35:38]

Beirdo:

heh

[21:35:47]

Beirdo:

I used to do that on our ICON network

[21:35:51]

wagnerrp:

sure, but it would say where it was from

[21:35:54]

jolaren:

so we wrote like "teacher suc** c*c*" etc

[21:35:59]

jolaren:

so everyoen saw it when entering the school

[21:36:00]

Beirdo:

basically a wall

[21:36:13]

Beirdo:

wall get back to work you bum

[21:36:15]

kormoc:

so very mature

[21:36:15]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:36:33]

kormoc:

we just drank vodka during the morning service

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Jay2k1:

my parents had the same cd player as our school had in the music room... i brought the remote and messed with it, like doing a-b repeat... and closing the tray while the teacher put a cd into it and stuff like that... did that a few times... and because i've been a geek all my life and that teacher knew that, he said the school was gonna buy a new one, if i'd want to get the old "broken" one to play with

[21:36:44]

kormoc:

"Here's a toast to you Jesus!"

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Beirdo:

kormoc: hence the sleeping during videos :)

[21:36:53]

kormoc:

yup!

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Jay2k1:

god they'd almost given me a great (and working) denon cd player for free

[21:37:48]

Beirdo:

I wanted to hijack the PA system's audio system, but I was too good to do so

[21:37:52]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

replace Oh Canada (boring version) with a metal version

[21:38:12]

Jay2k1:

well i was too good to take the offer

[21:38:19]

Jay2k1:

haha, that would've rocked

[21:38:38]

Beirdo:

it woulda been sweet

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Jay2k1:

instead i chose to "repair" the cd player

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Jay2k1:

and eventually get better grades in music class

[21:38:58]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo salutes with 'the horns'

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Jay2k1:

didnt work heh

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kormoc:

Good ol Leviticus 13:47

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Beirdo:

they made us listen to the national anthem daily

[21:39:38]

Beirdo:

so... meh :)

[21:39:38]

justinh:

ahh I remember 'hacking' our college's library computers (all BBC Micros) to do crazy stuff on a timer & be unstoppable without kicking the power out.. only to resume when power was restored

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kormoc:

we replaced a lot of quotes with that section

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justinh:

oh that & blasting over the FM local radio station which was played out in the cafeteria – with a small Tx in my bag

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** Beirdo subjects kormoc to some Oh Canada goodness **

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wagnerrp:

also served as a teenage contraceptive

[21:40:50]

justinh:

try doing that with DAB or DVB-T

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kormoc:

Beirdo: as long as it's not carbonated

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

or has too much hops?

[21:41:41]

Beirdo:

mmmm. :)

[21:41:44]

kormoc:

true enough

[21:41:45]

Jay2k1:

some dude once messed with a few winNT computers at school, altering the color scheme so everythign was black.. windows, borders, fonts, buttons, everything

[21:41:53]

kormoc:

"Bitter beer face"

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justinh:

lol

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Beirdo:

hehe

[21:42:21]

Beirdo:

I do like my double-hopped IPA

[21:42:34]

Beirdo:

at least I know ONE person who won't steal my beer :)

[21:42:35]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:43:04]

Beirdo:

Hmmm. Beer

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** kormoc eyes his vodka **

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

vodka with a vodka chaser, anyone?

[21:43:51]

kormoc:

I have to pull out all the alcohol I put away yesterday

[21:43:57]

kormoc:

the shelf needs adjusting

[21:44:01]

kormoc:

too many bottles

[21:44:03]

Beirdo:

hehe

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gbee:

I've no good stories along this line, I was the one who figured out the very simple way around the site filters that they started imposing on the internet connected machines in the sixth form, but that wasn't some daring act of hacking, merely knowing where the proxy server settings were to be found on IE

[21:44:57]

Beirdo:

heh

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Jay2k1:

lol

[21:45:22]

Beirdo:

I had the unencrypted (at that time) password of everyone in our highschool..

[21:45:38]

Beirdo:

gotta love old ICONs with QNX

[21:45:49]

Beirdo:

some idiot left a login... as root

[21:46:13]

Beirdo:

so I copied the passwd file (unencrypted) to floppy and walked away after clearing the screen

[21:46:18]

gbee:

my acts of rebellion were all small and generally old skool, e.g. removing the notice from the staff noticeboard advising the maths teacher of a room change, so that he showed up 30 minutes late to a 45 minute class

[21:46:23]

Beirdo:

no command history FTW

[21:46:53]

Jay2k1:

thats the best ones gbee

[21:46:57]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: well you can always just open up the file and remove it

[21:47:03]

Beirdo:

funny, the next version of QNX had encrypted password

[21:47:17]

jolaren:

Since my combined frontend/backend ripped today I thought I'll setup my really old computer as a pure backend until all parts are back from the manufacturer.. If I install ubuntu server and click on the mythbuntu backend package during the installation will I get all the GDM etc?

[21:47:23]

Beirdo:

but not many people (including root) changed the password

[21:47:25]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:47:40]

Jay2k1:

at the vocational school, one guy was not only smart enough to wonder if the switches would support spanning tree, no he was so clever to test it putting both ends of a patch cable in a pair of network jacks

[21:47:57]

Jay2k1:

he brought down the whole fucking school network

[21:48:05]

Beirdo:

language :)

[21:48:08]

Beirdo:

but cool

[21:48:20]

Beirdo:

your school admin shoulda been slapped for allowing that

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kormoc:

Hey, I've done that to test RSTP and it worked fine :P

[21:48:51]

Beirdo:

supposed to idiot proof school networks...

[21:48:52]

kormoc:

(at 4 am when I was the only one on the network)

[21:48:58]

Beirdo:

as schools are full of idiots

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wagnerrp:

what happens there, the broadcast traffic just loops back on itself until it floods everything?

[21:49:06]

Jay2k1:

true that

[21:49:19]

Beirdo:

at university we had a lab with 10-base-2 network

[21:49:19]

kormoc:

I like when I copied everyone's system 9 system folders into my trash can and emptied it

[21:49:23]

kormoc:

there went a entire lab

[21:49:26]

Beirdo:

net goes up... net goes down...

[21:49:36]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: aye

[21:49:48]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: and STP/RSTP 'solves' the issue

[21:50:43]

Beirdo:

it was fun just reaching back and disconnecting the coax and hearing a room full of moans

[21:50:46]

Beirdo:

heheh

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Jay2k1:

Beirdo: the school admin couldn't do much about it except buying new switches

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Beirdo:

hide the switches

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kormoc:

shoot the kids

[21:51:38]

Beirdo:

don't let the little *BLEEPS* near them :)

[21:51:43]

kormoc:

I bet it would only take two hits before they get the idea

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Jay2k1:

it wasnt the switches

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: nothing stopping someone from just disconnecting two computers, and plugging in a crossover cable

[21:51:58]

Jay2k1:

it was network jacks in the wall for all the computers in the classrooms

[21:52:08]

Jay2k1:

indeed

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Beirdo:

heh, yeah, well... secure the jacks

[21:52:19]

Beirdo:

it's not THAT hard :)

[21:52:31]

kormoc:

pressure sensitive bombs

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Jay2k1:

lol

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Beirdo:

anyways...

[21:52:59]

wagnerrp:

fill it with die packs

[21:53:07]

Beirdo:

heheeh

[21:53:08]

wagnerrp:

so if you unplug it, youre doused in blue

[21:53:15]

kormoc:

I like that, "Die Packs"

[21:53:17]

Beirdo:

just like the fire alarm pulls

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Beirdo:

put the powder on there

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Beirdo:

heh

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kormoc:

"This is a Die Pack" "It's a pack of c4, that's not dye!" "Exactly!"

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Jay2k1:

haha

[21:53:50]

Beirdo:

put some dye in there too

[21:53:56]

Beirdo:

spray it everywhere

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: ok... then its filled with acidic paint

[21:54:22]

wagnerrp:

it eats away your skin, but its ok, because now youre blue

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Beirdo:

smurf

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kormoc:

sounds like something out of the cube

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Beirdo:

blarf

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kormoc:

t-2 hours till I'm out of this place

[21:57:03]

Beirdo:

t-4min :)

[21:57:11]

kormoc:

so tired

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Beirdo:

so bored of work

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Beirdo:

let's get pissed!

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Beirdo:

Mike Myers quote for ya

[21:58:06]

kormoc:

As long as you don't piss in your own beard, tis all good

[21:58:22]

Beirdo:

So I Married An Axe Murderer, in case you were wondering

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Beirdo:

eww

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Beirdo:

time card done... seeya on the flip side :)

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** kormoc waves **

[22:00:38]

keith4_:

is it normal for liveTV to stutter for a second or two, when the show changes?

[22:00:45]

kormoc:

yes

[22:00:59]

keith4_:

i assume it's... closing one file, starting a new one?

[22:01:02]

kormoc:

yup

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keith4_:

would better disks speed that up?

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justinh:

doubtful

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: that sounds like something the father would have said

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gbee:

I'd not say it's normal, perhaps it happens for some, but I've never noticed it when testing livetv

[22:04:15]

keith4_:

i don't think it happened when i was using pchdtv5000s, but it's noticeable now that i'm using firewire

[22:04:34]

keith4_:

maybe it only happens with HD... higher bitrate makes the pause longer, maybe?

[22:04:47]

wagnerrp:

that may be due to firewire not supporting multirec

[22:04:57]

wagnerrp:

the one recording cant start up until the previous is finished

[22:05:01]

wagnerrp:

so theres a bit of a cap

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wagnerrp:

gap

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keith4_:

that could be it

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keith4_:

sounds reasonable, anyway. even if you just made it up ;-)

[22:05:40]

wagnerrp:

yeah, just made that up

[22:05:46]

wagnerrp:

ive no clue of the internals of that code

[22:05:46]

kormoc:

it's the gerbils

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keith4_:

not saying you did. "if"

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sphery:

gbee: actually, you could easily set a miscellaneous status info script and then hit the backend status page--all through MythWeb, so you don't even need to be on the same network if the user opens up mythweb

[22:07:36]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, but you can only execute an existing file

[22:07:45]

wagnerrp:

mythweb provides no means of uploading one

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gbee:

sphery: I assume you'd need to plant that script though

[22:07:58]

wagnerrp:

if youre on the same network, you could just upload to a storage group

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gbee:

in a way that requires much more access

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sphery:

yeah, or run some command--like rm -r /srv/mythtv/

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wagnerrp:

i suppose you could run some 'wget' command

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wagnerrp:

and then run the script you just wget'ted

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sphery:

that would work, too

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sphery:

runs as the backend user, too

[22:09:03]

sphery:

(master backend host)

[22:09:48]

wagnerrp:

sadly passwd requires you to know the existing password

[22:09:57]

gbee:

I'm sure there are several xss attack vectors on mythweb which wouldn't require you to be on the same local network

[22:12:06]

sphery:

wagnerrp: not if you're running mythbackend as root (and you could use chpasswd, instead, which is better for batch/scripted updates, anyway)

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** sphery just verified that it works by running ls **

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sphery:

I could make a setting that disables the miscellaneous status info script... Then attackers would have to go to the trouble of changing /2/ settings.

[22:16:12]

gbee:

does sudo always require a password?

[22:16:24]

slickrick:

is there anyway in mythvideo to make folders appear as folders rather than having the folder content displayed as individual entries?

[22:16:55]

gbee:

slickrick: Menu > Disable Flat View

[22:17:41]

slickrick:

gbee: dang. look through all the settings except in mythvideo itself. thanks!

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slickrick:

one more question, if mythvideo fails to automatically find a tv series, can i enter the video number? if so where do i get the number from?

[22:20:48]

slickrick:

sorry, i mean automatically find the metadata for a tv series.

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Jay2k1:

afaik the number is the id in the database mythvideo uses for looking up the metadata

[22:27:45]

Jay2k1:

i just don't know whether its imdb or tmdb

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slickrick:

jay2k1: i've tried both with no luck.... and the imdb number with and without tt before it.

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Jay2k1:

let me quickly test this

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7690 is a very MS-patent-threat type move... Just for your information, there's a bug in MythTV. I'm not going to tell you what it is or what DVD is affected, but just know it's there...

[22:29:53]

RDV_Linux:

Jay2k1: IF you are using 0.22 then the number for any movie is the IMDB# and if is always 7 digits. Anything less could be either a TMDB or TVDB number.

[22:30:33]

RDV_Linux:

Jay2k1: Only trunk handles TMDB numbers for movies.

[22:30:42]

slickrick:

RDV_Linux: Is the same true for a TV series?

[22:31:59]

RDV_Linux:

slickrick: All tv series use TVDB#s without exception. If you have an IMDB# (7 digits) MythVideo will not be able to find the metadata and images.

[22:32:21]

gbee:

slickrick: you can do a manual search too, Info (I) > Metadata Options > Manually Enter Video Title

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slickrick:

RDV_Linux: just tried it and worked perfectly.

[22:32:46]

RDV_Linux:

slickrick: What worked?

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slickrick:

gbee: i tried that with the movie and tv series names but didn't have any luck with it.

[22:32:52]

gbee:

iamlindoro: ^^ think "Manual Title Search" would be better there?

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slickrick:

RDV_Linux: using using a 7 digit imdb number.

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Jay2k1:

i thought you'd tried that before

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sphery:

Or you can just edit the metadata for the video and change the title directly

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gbee:

iamlindoro: my first thought with the current wording is that it leads to editing the metadata, not a search

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slickrick:

jay2k1: i am positive i did. tried both the imdb number and the number in the url on tmdb.

[22:34:24]

slickrick:

will it fail it the number is missing the leading 0? does it strictly need 7 digits?

[22:34:27]

sphery:

slickrick: without the tt on it?

[22:35:16]

RDV_Linux:

slickrick: For a TV Series episode video file? That goes against my experience. All IMDB#s are zero padded to 7 digits.

[22:35:52]

slickrick:

slckrick: no you're right there are, but i think perhaps i was leaving off the leading zero and thats where iwas going wrong.

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Wicked:

hmm hello all. i just built my new rig and migrated mythtv from my desktop over to the new computer. Im having a small issue though......now when i try to connect from my desktop to the server with mythfrontend and try to watch a recording i see this in the mythtfrontend log: ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1007_20100318210000.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.

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Wicked:

all recordings are now not local...when i moved mythtv over to the new server..i moved the whole database and hard drive with all the recordings over

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Wicked:

but it seems that when i use mythfrontend on here...the old fe/be.......that mythtv still thinks the recordings are local on here

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Wicked:

on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend ...it doesnt specify how to change one or the other..it just gives one example...and i think this is what i need to do...because the backend is now on "Core" machine...while the mythtv database i restored from was from "Zero" machine....so i think i need to tell mythtv that all recordings a

[22:48:57]

Wicked:

re and should be on "Core"

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Wicked:

w00t. i think that fixed it!....i can at least play recordings here now

[22:51:42]

sphery:

Wicked: the restore script won't allow changing just recordings or anything

[22:51:47]

sphery:

you have to do it manually

[22:52:02]

dustybin:

can the mythtv backend work on a virtual machine what uses VT-D

[22:52:06]

sphery:

soon(TM) we'll allow you to do it through the mythfrontend UI (or it will just do it for you automatically)

[22:52:55]

Wicked:

ah. well. using the restore script to change the hostname seems to have worked.

[22:53:23]

Wicked:

how is 0.23 coming along?

[22:53:31]

Wicked:

i know there where a few show stoppers...

[22:53:50]

sphery:

Wicked: yeah, the restore script changes everything

[22:54:14]

sphery:

so it works--as long as the host formerly known as Zero is now known as Core

[22:54:55]

dustybin:

'Well, changing slot and disabling my USB controller gave me an unshared interrupt, and I have successfully been able to export the DVB card to a KVM guest'

[22:55:01]

sphery:

dustybin: it could... the question would be why? (remember, though, that you still need capture cards"

[22:55:17]

Wicked:

ah

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sphery:

Wicked: 0.23 is mainly waiting on the people who can actually fix the things that some call show stoppers to get the time to fix them

[22:55:50]

Wicked:

ah.

[22:55:51]

sphery:

IMHO current trunk is in better shape than 0.22-fixes

[22:55:56]

Wicked:

:o

[22:56:04]

Wicked:

your tempting me to switch!

[22:56:10]

sphery:

IMHO, we should just cut an RC now

[22:56:18]

Wicked:

could i use trunk until 0.23 comes out..then switch it over?

[22:56:25]

sphery:

unfortunately, I don't make the decisions

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Wicked:

or could that cause issues?

[22:56:34]

sphery:

Wicked: yeah, and that's the recommended approach

[22:56:48]

Wicked:

maybe if get time on sunday ill try it out

[22:56:59]

sphery:

basically just never upgrade in trunk to a revision > the 0.23 tag revision

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Wicked:

i see

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Jay2k1:

i'm looking forward to have analog scanning enabled again

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sphery:

and, if you like, you can use svn switch to change up your current checkout to a trunk one or the trunk one to a 0.23-fixes one (when it's made): http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/405538#405538

[22:59:12]

sphery:

Wicked: ^^^

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sphery:

Jay2k1: I take it you're not from the US?

[22:59:39]

Jay2k1:

heh correct

[22:59:50]

Jay2k1:

good thing is i don't have to pay for a scedulesdirect acc

[22:59:51]

sphery:

yeah, analog scanning is useless in most areas

[23:00:11]

sphery:

hehe, but the $20/yr is the best $20 I've ever spent

[23:00:20]

Jay2k1:

i'm not allowed a sattelite dish, and i dont wanna pay for dvb-c

[23:00:28]

Jay2k1:

so there's analog cable and dvb-t

[23:00:35]

Wicked:

sphery, awesome. thats what i was curious about :)_

[23:00:54]

Jay2k1:

i'm using dvb-t for the tv data, but the analog cable signal is better

[23:01:04]

Jay2k1:

and i already have a hauppauge pvr-350

[23:01:07]

sphery:

Wicked: just make sure you do the version.pro and Makefile stuff I mention or you'll have "strange things' happen

[23:01:11]

Jay2k1:

i just can't tune channels

[23:01:20]

bjd:

dvb-c?

[23:01:28]

Jay2k1:

c as in cable

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sphery:

non-US cable

[23:01:31]

sphery:

:)

[23:01:45]

Jay2k1:

as opposed to dvb-t for terrestrial and dvb-s(2) for satellite

[23:01:51]

sphery:

(As the US could /never/ do what the rest of the entire world does... That would just be silly.)

[23:01:56]

Wicked:

ah

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Wicked:

well. i hope on sunday ill have time to build/config 0.23

[23:03:24]

bjd:

ah, vermin media then

[23:03:37]

Jay2k1:

there's epg data for the next 7 days, that's enough for me

[23:03:38]

Beirdo:

ugh blah

[23:04:00]

Jay2k1:

so i didn't have to struggle with some xmltv stuff

[23:04:01]

sphery:

Wicked: Yeah, it's not much difference from a revision change in 0.22. There's not that much new in trunk. (Other than a new Theme, Arclight, a new plugin, MythNetVision, new Python bindings, and generic system events. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.23 )

[23:04:13]

sphery:

not much difference in terms of what's required for the upgrade

[23:04:55]

Wicked:

nice. well..i have been looking forward to mythtnetvision and arclight....so that will be cool

[23:05:19]

Jay2k1:

netvision as in youtube for example??

[23:05:38]

dustybin:

if you guys were to build a new backend server box, would you look at CPUs what have a maximum TDP of 45W ?

[23:06:58]

Jay2k1:

do low TDP CPUs have downsides at all?

[23:07:11]

sphery:

dustybin: I'm a big fan of low TDP CPUs

[23:07:14]

Jay2k1:

except being expensive

[23:07:29]

dustybin:

the intel xeon L series are very nice, but _expensive_

[23:07:39]

kormoc:

they don't act like emergency heaters

[23:07:48]

kormoc:

that's a downside when the ice age comes

[23:07:58]

sphery:

I would have gone with a 45W dual-core for my backend, but the AMD Athlon II X2 240e wasn't available when I bought

[23:08:08]

Jay2k1:

ok don't buy then

[23:08:42]

dustybin:

AMD has a nice inexpensive range of low TDP cpus

[23:09:06]

Jay2k1:

i should look up how much TDP my A64 X2 4400+ has

[23:09:09]

sphery:

dustybin: can you find them, though?

[23:09:14]

dustybin:

perfect for 24.7 home server boxes

[23:09:35]

dustybin:

sphery: they are marked with 'e'

[23:09:59]

** Beirdo needs some eVodka **

[23:10:05]

sphery:

Jay2k1: could be 89W or 65W,.

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sphery:

dustybin: yeah, I wanted an Athlon II X2 240e, but AMD was shipping all of them to Sony and HP, so they weren't available

[23:10:43]

sphery:

last I looked was about 3 weeks ago...

[23:10:55]

sphery:

(in the US, that is... There's some limited avialability in Europe)

[23:11:16]

dustybin:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/177049

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sphery:

I didn't feel like buying an $800 junky HP all-in-one screen-computer just to get the proc

[23:12:13]

sphery:

dustybin: yeah, here in the US, they're still not available

[23:12:21]

dustybin:

:(

[23:12:27]

sphery:

agreed

[23:12:33]

sphery:

aren't you US?

[23:12:36]

dustybin:

no UK

[23:12:43]

sphery:

oh, cool for you, then

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Jay2k1:

i guess it'll be 89

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Jay2k1:

a manchester

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sphery:

here in the US, you can find a lot of places that show them as available and that allow you to order, but they're not in stock and "special order only" and they don't guarantee any ship date for them

[23:13:32]

sphery:

so it's basically a scam, IMHO

[23:14:08]

Beirdo:

bend over

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Jay2k1:

hmm, here they're available

[23:14:37]

Jay2k1:

about 66 EUR

[23:14:51]

dustybin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon_II

[23:15:36]

sphery:

Jay2k1: you sure? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athl . . . roprocessors says 4400+ is Toledo (89W) or Windsor (89W) or Windows Energy-efficient (65W) or Brisbane (65W)

[23:15:37]

dustybin:

there are now some energy efficient phenom cpus

[23:15:57]

sphery:

yeah, and there are 65W quad-core AMD's

[23:16:06]

sphery:

but quad core is a waste for me

[23:16:07]

gbee:

ooh, 4 core @ 45W, might have to get me some of those

[23:16:46]

dustybin:

the folk in #hardware are not impressed with AMD CPUs, they keep on forcing intel upon me

[23:16:52]

sphery:

heh

[23:16:53]

wagnerrp:

gbee: and at 2.3GHz, it even has a decent amount of power

[23:17:07]

dustybin:

the 2MB / L2 cache slows it down

[23:17:07]

sphery:

IMHO, if you have money to burn, an Intel CPU is a great place to burn it

[23:17:14]

dustybin:

indeed

[23:17:14]

sphery:

If you want a good deal for the money, buy #2

[23:17:25]

** kormoc shifty eyes **

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dustybin:

i agree

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Jay2k1:

i'm sorry, it's a 4000+

[23:17:43]

wagnerrp:

has anyone heard of a recent motherboard that doesnt support S3?

[23:17:44]

gbee:

yeah, just a little less than my current 45W dual core, but it's a reasonable trade-off

[23:17:50]

sphery:

the new hex core has 9MiB cache :)

[23:18:12]

gbee:

meh, I'm just not interested in Intel anymore

[23:18:33]

sphery:

AMD CPU + ATI chipset makes for a nice energy-efficient system

[23:18:58]

sphery:

unfortunately, the graphics drivers may leave something to be desired on the *nix side :)

[23:19:19]

dustybin:

AMD mobo have graphics built in, most latest intel boards have no graphics unless you buy a cpu with graphics built in

[23:19:27]

dustybin:

and those are mega bucks

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Jay2k1:

mmm must be a brisbane then

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sphery:

Jay2k1: also possible that wikipedia isn't complete

[23:20:07]

Jay2k1:

65W... at least...

[23:20:24]

Jay2k1:

well, its the only processor listed w/ 2100 MHz

[23:20:32]

Jay2k1:

and 4000+ matches this information

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sphery:

Yeah, I upgraded an old Athlon XP to a Regor 240 (not 240e). So I went from 65W to 65W. :(

[23:20:56]

sphery:

(had to upgrade, though, since the system got fried by a power event)

[23:21:08]

sphery:

I /really/ wanted that 240e... :(

[23:21:14]

Jay2k1:

athlon XPs were nice

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gbee:

unless you are playing games, I can't really see what advantage one processor offers over another these days, there isn't quite the same arms race with apps requiring ever greater amounts of cpu time as there was in the 90s and first half of the last decade

[23:21:46]

sphery:

(or even an older 5050e, but they discontinued those)

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sphery:

gbee: ++

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dustybin:

gbee: the only advantage is low TDP these days :D

[23:22:25]

sphery:

people who buy top-of-the-line are generally just wasting (a /ton/ of) money for little gain

[23:22:31]

Jay2k1:

and penis size i guess

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sphery:

and gain that's only used by things like SETI@home

[23:22:49]

gbee:

dustybin: aye, and that's where I think AMD is getting it right

[23:22:54]

dustybin:

indeed

[23:22:55]

sphery:

dustybin: yeah, power consumption is the real decision maker for me

[23:23:00]

dustybin:

for me too

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sphery:

***power consumption ranking only slightly lower than availability

[23:23:35]

sphery:

stupid non-availability

[23:24:08]

Jay2k1:

time for holidays in germany?

[23:24:52]

sphery:

It /would/ be fun to buy one of these and rip it apart to get the CPU... If only I had money to burn like the Intel fanboys

[23:24:56]

sphery:

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en& . . . Q#ps-sellers

[23:25:49]

gbee:

AMD have been consistently top of the 'value for money' chart, IMHO going with Intel is just a waste of money, but not everyone sees it the same way

[23:26:16]

sphery:

gbee: agreed

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kormoc:

that depends on how you calculate value

[23:26:29]

sphery:

especially when you factor in that CPU is only one piece of the puzzle

[23:26:44]

kormoc:

dollar for dollar, the core2 will outperform the amd procs

[23:26:59]

kormoc:

(comparable processors)

[23:27:04]

sphery:

who uses all the perform in their procs?

[23:27:09]

dustybin:

kormoc: not in the TDP department

[23:27:25]

kormoc:

I do, realtime h264 commflagging is rough

[23:27:33]

kormoc:

as is h264 -> flv encoding

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Jay2k1:

afaik the core2's have far better overclocking capabilities

[23:27:59]

** dustybin would rather use a slower cpu what uses less power than a faster cpu would uses lots of power **

[23:28:10]

sphery:

kormoc: that can be overcome with more hard drives--and getting a nice backlog of recordings so you never do realtime :)

[23:28:12]

Jay2k1:

which, on the other hand, means, you can undervolt them pretty well

[23:28:57]

kormoc:

sphery: Heh, I have a 1 tb drive now, used is around 35 gigs, with 48 recordings...

[23:29:30]

kormoc:

sphery: what's needed is more awesome shows

[23:29:35]

sphery:

heh, I have >1335 recordings

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Jay2k1:

1337 by any chance?

[23:29:51]

sphery:

heh, perhaps... :)

[23:30:22]

sphery:

actually, only 1318, now. Forgot I deleted a cancelled series.

[23:30:43]

Jay2k1:

how much hdd space do you have?

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sphery:

8.5TB :)

[23:31:34]

Jay2k1:

phew

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Jay2k1:

raid 5 then i guess

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sphery:

but that's nothing compared to iamlindoro's 22TB

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gbee:

sphery: well you've given me some perspective, my TV habit doesn't seem nearly so bad now ;)

[23:32:01]

sphery:

no raid on mine

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Jay2k1:

wtf o.O

[23:32:21]

Jay2k1:

also, wtf @ no raid

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kormoc:

Jay2k1: if it goes poof, just re-record

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Jay2k1:

well... assuming everything is being re-aired

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gbee:

who uses mirroring on their recordings?

[23:32:45]

gbee:

seriously?

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justinh:

all teevees is dipsyposable. that's my philosophy

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sphery:

gbee: actually, I don't really watch that much... It's mainly my fear of deleting things I haven't watched--just in case someone convinces me it's worth watching ;)

[23:32:56]

gbee:

talk about money to burn

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sphery:

Jay2k1: yeah, it's just TV, so not worth RAID'ing

[23:33:23]

Jay2k1:

gbee: well, i wouldn't waste so much money for hdd space if the recordings weren't that important to me

[23:33:50]

gbee:

sphery: in that case I should probably worry, the only reason I don't have that many recordings is because I _do_ watch most of what I record ;)

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justinh:

there's not much worth keeping IMHO

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Jay2k1:

and if they were important enough, and we are talking about an amount of hdd space that'd be expensive to backup, i'd rather buy one spare drive and make raid5

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gbee:

and then promptly delete

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justinh:

plus the stuff that's worth another watch is repeated to blazes anyway

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sphery:

The hard drive space grew mainly because I'd replace failed hard drives, but the sweet spot when I bought the replacement was significantly larger hard drives

[23:34:41]

justinh:

next backend will double my storage to 4TB but that'll be it for a good while

[23:34:54]

sphery:

justinh: Agreed--I don't keep any of it. I watch and delete. Anything worth keeping, I buy on DVD.

[23:35:06]

Jay2k1:

i have a 500gb hdd atm and about 60g free, but half of it is dvd rips and music, and tv series i wanna keep

[23:35:13]

Jay2k1:

gonna upgrade to 1tb tomorrow

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justinh:

I need some great way to back up all my archive though.. photos, CD rips, vinyl recordings, home videos...

[23:35:48]

highzeth:

playing the waiting game here, not gonna upgrade my arrays till 2TB drives drop in price

[23:35:49]

gbee:

almost half my recordings are now films I recorded but haven't found time to watch, and around 75% of those are foreign films which require my full attention (subtitles), so I can't get away with watching them with one eye while I get some work done

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Jay2k1:

but i have to admit, now that i have this sweet htpc, i ripped all of my dvds to it so i dont have to get up to put in a dvd ;)

[23:35:52]

sphery:

gbee: well, even if you do watch a lot, you still get a lot done

[23:36:03]

justinh:

photos & docs go onto my S3 account though, in teh cloud :)

[23:36:10]

gbee:

sphery: not lately ;)

[23:36:23]

sphery:

well, you pretty much did 0.22 yourself :)

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justinh:

hey just wait til I get this room cleared & I bust my chops doing more UI stuff

[23:36:47]

sphery:

you deserve a one-version break

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gbee:

now that's a massive exaggeration

[23:37:00]

sphery:

which is exactly why we decided to shorten the dev schedule :)

[23:37:15]

gbee:

heh

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justinh:

gonna get at least one painter effect into 0.24 I hope

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sphery:

I really think we should just RC what we have now.

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sphery:

We're already a month behind

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sphery:

We can easily enough give a disclaimer that MHEG is broken

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sphery:

and if people want MHEG, they shouldn't upgrade

[23:38:05]

sphery:

then once fixed, if it's not too invasive, backport, otherwise, just let them skip to 0.24

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gbee:

package users don't read changelogs, they just hit Upgrade

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sphery:

if we don't do that, I have a feeling 0.23 will be released after the 0.24 due date

[23:38:33]

justinh:

heh on a dist-upgrade that'd be a hell of a lot of reading

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sphery:

gbee: that's what the backup is for :)

[23:39:01]

justinh:

though at least with gentoo you can read while it builds ;)

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sphery:

justinh: and then buy a novel or two and read them

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gbee:

take a 2 week package holiday

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justinh:

I still can't make up my mind – I spend about the same amount of time fiddling *ubuntu* to make it do my bidding as I did fettling a gentoo install

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gbee:

justinh: so kick both to the kerb and use a proper distro ;)

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justinh:

heh. MythTV 0.24-fixes Fly Drive

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jolaren:

the tweak for /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf works great on my wintv nova-t 500 but not on my wintv-td 500

[23:42:45]

justinh:

or mythbuntu, the Hannah Montannah Disney remix edition

[23:43:14]

justinh:

I'm starting to become distro agostic. I just hate computers, end of

[23:43:20]

justinh:

love the end result, hate using them

[23:43:50]

justinh:

there's always *something* wrong with software

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squish102:

dunno justinh, my mythbuntu, that i installed about 2 years ago, has not given me one ounce of problems

[23:45:06]

justinh:

I've had hardly a spot of hassle with my current backend either

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squish102:

installed, configured, and left alone ;)

[23:45:09]

Daviey:

the only bugs in my software are the ones i've put there intentionally to annoy end users.

[23:45:19]

justinh:

other than the memory needing a clean a few months back

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justinh:

oh and nasty freenx leaving processes lying around eating memory like a bastard

[23:46:08]

squish102:

i normally give mine a monthly reboot... i cannot get that microsoft urge out of my system

[23:46:15]

Daviey:

freenx isn't part of a standard mythbuntu install :)

[23:46:29]

gbee:

my previous mythbuntu install gave me no end of problems, thankfully after lots of moaning to laga/superm1 the karmic version has been significantly better and almost pain free

[23:46:35]

justinh:

and *that* is the oldest running machine in this house, on a 2000XP with 512MB ram :)

[23:47:02]

gbee:

still more pain than I'd care to experience as a complete newbie

[23:47:09]

justinh:

wonder how the intel tvout is on mythbuntu these days

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sphery:

justinh: can't be worse than it was with the distro that chose an X and a DRI implementation in flux

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sphery:

s/distro/version/

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justinh:

sounds like minimyth ;)

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sphery:

it was an Ubuntu version. Don't know which

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justinh:

might have to bin the Intel soon

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justinh:

it's just... yeah so the driver is open source.. but it's lame

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

the FOSS ATI drivers aren't too bad--as long as you stay sufficiently behind the latest hardware

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justinh:

and I got it working so long ago I can't remember if the one installed is the one I had to hack to get rid of tearing

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jolaren:

Really strange that the signal improvement thingy wont work for the same card

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justinh:

ffs intel even tears on windows

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sphery:

but if you're going for full hardware support, nvidia is the way to go (with proprietary drivers)

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justinh:

in the lc02 box I'll need a pci-e right angle riser thingy

[23:53:26]

justinh:

prolly real bad for cooling, so I might aswell make the backend the frontend too

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jolaren:

probarbly different name of the driver for the td card

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