| Tuesday, March 16th, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:23] | Coded1: | http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . p;CatId=3585 <<--- how about this one? |
| [00:00:46] | oobe: | well not only that hdmi means audio out through the hdmi device |
| [00:01:34] | Coded1: | crap, is there a video card that will do that? |
| [00:01:36] | oobe: | you will need to patch your alsa drivers if you want audio out through that card the 210's havent made it into mainstream alsa yet |
| [00:02:05] | Coded1: | patching isnt so bad, as long as its possible |
| [00:02:50] | Coded1: | using win7 beta so its gonna die soon, need to come up with a replacement and 60$ is better then a retail copy of 7 |
| [00:03:21] | oobe: | yea well eventually you wont even have to usually if hardware is new and reguires a patch 6 months down the line the latest kernels ship with support |
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| [00:03:40] | oobe: | although alsa is usually a few versions ahead of what ships in the kernel |
| [00:04:40] | oobe: | this page gives you an overview of how each nvidia card your looking at should perform with vdpau enabled http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU |
| [00:04:42] | Coded1: | i actually dont even mind taking a weekend installing gentoo + myth on it ... free food and get to play with a nice big plasma |
| [00:05:24] | oobe: | if its for a stand alone media centre i would choose a distro specifiacally for mythtv |
| [00:05:37] | oobe: | that way all the software you need is already installed |
| [00:05:49] | oobe: | and possibly some configuration is done too |
| [00:06:51] | sphery: | and if it's not for a stand alone media center, but you plan to use MythTV, choosing a distro specifically for MythTV is not a bad idea |
| [00:07:03] | Coded1: | is there a distro you may recommend? |
| [00:07:07] | sphery: | after all, Mythbuntu is just Ubuntu that someone else took the time to configure for MythTV |
| [00:07:25] | oobe: | thats true |
| [00:07:28] | sphery: | you have full access to all the Ubuntu repos and all the other non-Myth apps you can get on Ubuntu |
| [00:07:44] | sphery: | Coded1: with what distro are you most familiar |
| [00:07:45] | Coded1: | so mythbuntu is the way to go eh |
| [00:07:55] | kormoc: | if you're a ubuntu person |
| [00:07:56] | sphery: | Mythbuntu is perfect if you know Ubuntu |
| [00:08:19] | oobe: | and annoying if you like init scripts to work properly :P |
| [00:08:25] | Coded1: | ive worked with everything from gentoo, debian sid, slackware, a bit of redhat, and of course ubuntu |
| [00:08:33] | sphery: | oobe: they're not init scripts--they're upstart scripts :) |
| [00:08:57] | kormoc: | oobe: ubuntu dropped init and replaced it with their own custom system |
| [00:09:07] | sphery: | Coded1: Mythbuntu = Ubuntu configured for MythTV, MythDora = Fedora configured for MythTV, LinHES = Arch configured for MythTV |
| [00:09:48] | Coded1: | ill give mythbuntu a shot, they are pretty much a catch all as far as support and packages are conserned |
| [00:10:00] | sphery: | Coded1: check out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Packages , too, for more |
| [00:10:16] | Coded1: | thanks for everyones help |
| [00:10:35] | sphery: | note, though, that Debian is among the worse choices for MythTV, IMHO (next only to Mac OS, and, ultimately, Windows) |
| [00:10:46] | Coded1: | i got burned by amd a couple times now and with this one I figured the ati linux drivers would improve in a years time |
| [00:10:59] | Coded1: | never again with ati |
| [00:11:03] | sphery: | after all, to use MythTV, you have to violate the principles on which Debian is based |
| [00:11:09] | k-man: | sphery: why don't you like debian for mythtv? |
| [00:11:15] | sphery: | ^^^ |
| [00:11:26] | oobe: | yea i know they replaced init with upstart thats what i meant you cant make init scripts work like they should |
| [00:11:42] | oobe: | but they shouldnt force people to make that change without warning |
| [00:12:04] | sphery: | Debian's philosophy restricts the use of any patent- or license-questionable software, and just about everything about media (video and audio) is questionable |
| [00:12:19] | oobe: | but i would still recomend using mythbuntu for a stand alone media centre |
| [00:12:51] | k-man: | i have been using debian for mythtv for the last 5 years or so and have no complaints |
| [00:12:56] | k-man: | in fact, i think its great |
| [00:13:13] | sphery: | and to do that, you had to violate all the principles on which the distro is based |
| [00:13:14] | Coded1: | sphery, just because they don't like it that just gives them leverage over the manufacturer to make changes, I can still click a few buttons and it will work the same as any other distro |
| [00:13:18] | sphery: | so why are you using that distro? |
| [00:13:49] | k-man: | sphery: me? |
| [00:13:56] | Coded1: | their principles are not necesarily mine ;) |
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| [00:15:19] | sphery: | well, considering that you end up using a ton of code that's not part of the official distribution, that's less tested than any of the rest of the code/packages, and that reaches deeply into the installed libs (and, therefore, has implications on the installed apps), I feel that using Debian is a poor choice for a MythTV system |
| [00:15:48] | sphery: | after all, Debian reconfigured to allow MythTV use is basically Ubuntu |
| [00:15:58] | sphery: | so why not just make things easier for yourself? :) |
| [00:18:25] | oobe: | Coded1, this thread is down but will be back up soon im guessong its about how to patch alsa to support hdmi sound on 210 220 nvidia cards http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=HOW-TO_set_up_HDM . . . %2C_or_GT240 |
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| [00:48:17] | warlord2: | Hmmm... After upgrading to trunk a few days ago I've started losing recordings off my HDHR — I've had a number of 0-length recordings. :-( |
| [00:48:25] | warlord2: | ... or recordings cut off after ~5 mins. |
| [00:49:12] | wagnerrp: | you too? ive been getting failed recordings for the last 2–3 weeks |
| [00:50:02] | wagnerrp: | although it happened some time after the libhdhomerun sync |
| [00:50:17] | Jester05: | I don't suppose any of you backpack in the Tennessee area nor know of any backpacking chat sites IRC or otherwise do you? |
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| [00:50:34] | jolaren: | computer freezes when trying to view recordings |
| [00:50:36] | jolaren: | anyonek now why? |
| [00:50:46] | wagnerrp: | freezes how? |
| [00:51:08] | Jester05: | jolaren, hows your database? |
| [00:51:35] | warlord2: | wagnerrp: 0.22 was rock stable.. I upgraded to trunk to see if it would fix 8099 (which it did not), but I didn't downgrade. |
| [00:51:43] | warlord2: | But yes... I just lost Chuck tonight. |
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| [00:51:54] | warlord2: | .. And I noticed a few other recordings that didn't work. |
| [00:52:02] | warlord2: | Is there an open ticket for this? This definitely sounds like a bug! |
| [00:52:23] | wagnerrp: | i havent filed one yet, since it seemed to work for some time after the sync |
| [00:53:03] | warlord2: | ... losing recordings is just not okay in my book.. But I'm not sure how to downgrade at this point and have it know about the stuff that's recorded since the upgrade. |
| [00:53:06] | wagnerrp: | and it works for single recordings and livetv |
| [00:53:18] | wagnerrp: | it only seems to cause problems with multiple concurrent recordings for me |
| [00:53:26] | warlord2: | Hmm.. it IS true that the failed recording was scheduled simultaneously. |
| [00:53:32] | warlord2: | (tonight) |
| [00:53:41] | warlord2: | Yeah, it might be due to multiple simultaneous recordings.. |
| [00:53:54] | sphery: | warlord2: first step, rescan channels |
| [00:54:08] | warlord2: | sphery: why? |
| [00:54:17] | warlord2: | .. to see if it changed? |
| [00:54:21] | sphery: | to make sure it's not that something else in the broadcast changed |
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| [00:55:18] | warlord2: | Can't do that right now.. it's still recording House. |
| [00:55:47] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [00:56:03] | warlord2: | FWIW, I just went to livetv and it can tune Chuck just fine. |
| [00:56:12] | warlord2: | (Chuck is what failed 56min ago) |
| [00:57:02] | warlord2: | So it can certainly tune it now; whereas it failed 56 minutes ago. I doubt something changed in the broadcast and then changed back |
| [00:57:46] | wagnerrp: | anyway... for reference, the sync was 23468 |
| [00:58:09] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think anything of it, since i didnt start losing recordings (in that exact manner) until several weeks afterwards |
| [00:58:47] | warlord2: | I updated to trunk on 3/11 |
| [00:58:50] | warlord2: | so 4 days ago. |
| [01:00:11] | jolaren: | warlord2: wagnerrp yeah I did have multiple recordings on but I've disabled that now |
| [01:00:19] | jolaren: | cuz it seemed to cause alot of troubles for me |
| [01:00:33] | jolaren: | but even those who wasnt recorded during that session wont work |
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| [01:01:08] | warlord2: | jolaren: what do you mean, "disabled" multiple recordings? |
| [01:01:19] | wagnerrp: | he turned off multirec |
| [01:01:19] | jolaren: | thought you lot meant under recording rules on me card |
| [01:01:36] | jolaren: | standard is 1 per tuner I changed it to five |
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| [01:01:43] | jolaren: | wasn't that what you were refering to? |
| [01:02:31] | warlord2: | Nope. |
| [01:02:39] | warlord2: | I mean having House and Chuck recording at the same time.. |
| [01:02:54] | warlord2: | They were scheduled on different tuners, HDHR0–0 and HDHR0–1 |
| [01:03:06] | warlord2: | ... at the same time |
| [01:03:23] | sphery: | warlord2: LiveTV may work just fine even though your channels are broken and need rescanned |
| [01:03:24] | warlord2: | HDHR0–0 was okay. HDHR0–1 failed. |
| [01:03:31] | sphery: | LiveTV and recordings are tuned differently |
| [01:03:39] | jolaren: | that doesnt explain why the previous recordings worked :( |
| [01:03:43] | jolaren: | i mean doesnt work |
| [01:04:23] | jolaren: | tho viewing the recordings from my netbook works fine |
| [01:04:25] | jolaren: | just not from the server |
| [01:05:07] | jolaren: | really strange error |
| [01:07:09] | sphery: | warlord2: how LiveTV and recording tuning may differ and why: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/403076#403076 |
| [01:07:25] | sphery: | warlord2: are you saying that every single recording off of HDHR0–1 is failing? |
| [01:07:39] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, the first recording works fine |
| [01:07:45] | wagnerrp: | subsequent recordings fail |
| [01:07:48] | jolaren: | btw in Mythbuntu, if I under services remove frontend will it also uninstall teh gui? Thinkin of not running a combined frontend/backend.. seems to cause alot of ahssle |
| [01:07:49] | warlord2: | sphery: hard to tell. |
| [01:07:51] | jolaren: | hassle |
| [01:07:51] | wagnerrp: | whether overlapping or not |
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| [01:10:12] | warlord2: | sphery: this is the first time I've actually caught it failing in the act. I dont think I have good logs of the previous failures and what tuner they were on. However I do not believe that all recordings off HDHR0–1 fail. |
| [01:10:43] | warlord2: | And for the record, I *think* i have quicktune turned off. |
| [01:11:03] | wagnerrp: | ive got quicktune turned off for both livetv and recordings |
| [01:12:13] | sphery: | warlord2: default is on for LIveTV and off for recordings |
| [01:12:22] | sphery: | because it's unsafe for recordings |
| [01:12:31] | sphery: | (assuming good channel info) |
| [01:12:55] | warlord2: | sphery: I find it unlikely that channel info changed at the exact same time I upgraded to trunk 4 days ago. |
| [01:14:31] | warlord2: | I do have "use QuickTuning" set to "Never" on all four of my HDHR tuners |
| [01:14:42] | warlord2: | is there another QT setting somewhere else? |
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| [01:15:58] | warlord2: | Okay, running another channel scan... I hope this doesn't mean I have to go through all those channels again by hand and reset the channel number, xmltvid, etc? |
| [01:16:15] | sphery: | warlord2: should be just that one |
| [01:16:30] | jolaren: | If I want to remove the frontend/gui desktop n everythin in mythbuntu, how would I do that? my server has been a frontend long enough, now im gonna spare me the problems |
| [01:19:06] | warlord2: | well,m i'll know in a few minutes. I highly doubt anything changed there. the timing of the failures is just too perfect. |
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| [01:22:23] | wagnerrp: | jolaren: dont remove them, just dont run them |
| [01:22:52] | jolaren: | its gonna be a pure backend tho |
| [01:23:09] | jolaren: | and ill run my ion asrock 330 as a frontend with windows |
| [01:23:17] | iamlindoro: | It'll still be a pure backend so long as you don't run the frontend... |
| [01:23:33] | iamlindoro: | with the added bonus of having the frontend there if you need to modify a setting value which affects the backend, of which there are several |
| [01:23:33] | jolaren: | you mean I disable the autologin, right... true iamlindoro |
| [01:24:00] | iamlindoro: | No, I mean just plain don't start the frontend... if you have it starting up on boot, don't do that. |
| [01:24:01] | jolaren: | can i stop the graphical interfearcen from autobooting? |
| [01:24:09] | iamlindoro: | it's not like it costs you *anything* even if it is running there |
| [01:24:13] | iamlindoro: | To what end? |
| [01:24:20] | iamlindoro: | Where's sphery, this is his favorite fight |
| [01:24:23] | jolaren: | stability i guess |
| [01:24:30] | iamlindoro: | That won't add any stability |
| [01:24:51] | warlord2: | jolaren: I see no reason to remove the frontend code, even from a backend-only machine. |
| [01:25:02] | jolaren: | point taken |
| [01:25:03] | jolaren: | wont then |
| [01:25:19] | jolaren: | but will remove the auto opening of mythfrontend (but why with all ur previous statements?) |
| [01:25:21] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention it actually would make your system offically unsupported |
| [01:25:37] | iamlindoro: | since MythTv provides no support at all for separating the frontend from the backend |
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| [01:25:41] | iamlindoro: | that is, their install |
| [01:25:52] | sphery: | and since it's unsuported configuration, it would be less likely to be stable |
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| [01:26:00] | jolaren: | iamlindoro: why should i remove mythfrontend from booting up? |
| [01:26:02] | iamlindoro: | The *only* supported configuration is to install all of mythTV and choose which items you run |
| [01:26:12] | iamlindoro: | jolaren, I don't know, why should you? |
| [01:26:16] | warlord2: | sphery: well, it IS possible to install the mythtv-backend without the mythtv-frontend package. |
| [01:26:21] | sphery: | i.e. it relies on the packagers for your distro to have figured out exactly what all is necessary for all the things you need |
| [01:26:24] | jolaren: | iamlindoro: i thought that was what u said |
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| [01:26:38] | sphery: | warlord2: no, it's not--only through packages where packagers took an install and cut it to pieces |
| [01:26:48] | iamlindoro: | jolaren, no, I said just don't *run* the frontend if you don't want to run it |
| [01:26:52] | warlord2: | sphery: exactly |
| [01:26:55] | sphery: | no way to do it with mythtv's build script/install |
| [01:27:08] | jolaren: | 02:23 <+iamlindoro> It'll still be a pure backend so long as you don't run the frontend... |
| [01:27:12] | jolaren: | i missunderstood u |
| [01:27:15] | sphery: | so it's only supported by the packages |
| [01:27:48] | sphery: | but just refraining from running it is a good thing |
| [01:27:52] | warlord2: | Scan is coming along... |
| [01:28:19] | jolaren: | btw a ion asrock 330 with windows 7 should be able to handle all channels which arent HD, right? |
| [01:28:22] | jolaren: | I think so but I dont know |
| [01:31:23] | sphery: | After all, a complete MythTV (mythfrontend/mythbackend/mythjobqueue/mythcommflag/mythtranscode/mythfilldataba se/... --everything that's installed by mythtv by default *plus* mythplugins (all but mythzoneminder and mythflix) *plus* myththemes) build *with* full debug info takes a whole 35MiB HDD space total. |
| [01:31:31] | sphery: | (Just looked on my system) |
| [01:32:04] | jolaren: | wasnt thinking about hdd space more of ram and cpu |
| [01:32:07] | sphery: | that's all of /usr/local for my system where I have everything installed to /usr/local--and it means it includes /usr/local/share/mythtv , which is huge |
| [01:32:08] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, that'll NEVER fit on my 1994 Seagate 40 MB drive! |
| [01:32:12] | iamlindoro: | Stupid Myth devs |
| [01:32:28] | sphery: | but if not running the programs, it takes 0bytes of RAM and 0% CPU! :) |
| [01:32:57] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Cheapskate. I bought an 80MB (WD) HDD in 1993. |
| [01:32:59] | jolaren: | will give it a go with windows 7 asap tomorrow |
| [01:33:54] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Well we're not all richie rich, buddy |
| [01:34:19] | sphery: | heh, I was a "semi-poor" college kid back then |
| [01:34:48] | iamlindoro: | Remember marveling when my drives hit the $1/MB point |
| [01:34:55] | sphery: | yeah... |
| [01:35:02] | iamlindoro: | Only $500 for my pair of 512 MB'er |
| [01:35:05] | iamlindoro: | 'ers |
| [01:35:10] | iamlindoro: | (each) |
| [01:35:19] | sphery: | I remember buying my first 2MiB daughterboard... That one was expensive per kilobyte |
| [01:36:55] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [01:37:19] | iamlindoro: | I got a slick 386SX for Christmas in 93 or 94, I think |
| [01:37:33] | iamlindoro: | got to insert the RAM myself :) |
| [01:39:05] | warlord2: | I remember in 93 or so buying a 486DX2–66! |
| [01:39:19] | warlord2: | .. and it had 20MB of RAM |
| [01:39:24] | Dibblah: | Bah. In the 90s, I made my own SIPPs. |
| [01:39:30] | sphery: | lol |
| [01:40:03] | Dibblah: | Take RAM chips, solder them pin to pin (in a stack), then solder them to a strip connector. It worked, too :) |
| [01:40:22] | Dibblah: | That was on a 386sx board too. |
| [01:40:24] | iamlindoro: | Nwo I know one particular now-absent channel denizen who would be telling us what idiots we are by now, and talking all about how he has been doing it since our monocellular ancestors were first flagellating |
| [01:40:57] | Dibblah: | I miss the good old days when memory busses were slow enough that you could hand-wire them. |
| [01:41:03] | Dibblah: | Oh, wait, no I don't. |
| [01:42:21] | ** Dibblah also recently upgraded his router from 32Mb to 64. The IR soldering station really helps there :) ** | |
| [01:42:33] | sphery: | nice |
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| [01:43:41] | sphery: | I had one I considered upgrading by adding RAM so I could run OpenWRT, but decided buying a new WRT-54GL was cheaper (time included in cost) |
| [01:45:38] | warlord2: | Yeah, no point in upgrading a WRT |
| [01:45:43] | warlord2: | just get a new one |
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| [01:47:35] | warlord2: | so once this scan completes, how am I supposed to test it? Set up two recordings again at 10pm? |
| [01:48:14] | warlord2: | I clearly cannot use LiveTV to test, as that apparently tunes differently. |
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| [01:48:31] | warlord2: | (FWIW I do have the 8pm log from the backend when it failed to record Chuck) |
| [01:50:52] | warlord2: | Okay, so it says "found 97 off-air channel(s). delete all. set all invisible. ignore all" which do I select? |
| [01:52:12] | warlord2: | I dont want it to delete all my existing mappings. So.. which choice do I make? |
| [01:52:35] | warlord2: | (they all sound scary and/or not-what-I-want) |
| [01:54:20] | warlord2: | sphery: so, how should I answer that question in the scanner? |
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| [01:57:10] | sphery: | warlord2: I don't know. |
| [01:57:24] | warlord2: | Hmm http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/409190 |
| [01:57:25] | sphery: | I don't know the new scanner that well |
| [01:58:30] | warlord2: | Well, you told me to rescan. |
| [01:58:32] | warlord2: | I did. |
| [01:58:35] | warlord2: | Now what? |
| [01:59:35] | jolaren: | my backend has 4gb ram and my frontend has 2gb ram, feels like 4gb ram is overkill now when i dont even use it as backend.. should i move the 4gb to the frontend adn teh 2gb to the backend? |
| [02:01:10] | warlord2: | jolaren: I think it depends more on your video cards. |
| [02:01:35] | sphery: | warlord2: well, if you don't like the results after scanning, you can restore the database backup you made before scanning |
| [02:01:50] | warlord2: | True.... |
| [02:01:55] | jolaren: | i understand warlord2.. will be running win7 so can't go with vdpau |
| [02:02:10] | jolaren: | so was thinkin 2gb more ram would do my frontend better then 2gb less on the backend |
| [02:03:01] | sphery: | jolaren: could always take memory usage stats on both systems and see if it matters |
| [02:03:46] | sphery: | could be as simple as a cron job or something that appends the the output of date and free to a file |
| [02:04:10] | sphery: | or a full-fledged memory monitor/graph solution |
| [02:04:26] | jolaren: | i will give win7 a go tomorrow with mythfrontend |
| [02:04:37] | jolaren: | if it plays flawlessly then theres no need for the extra ram |
| [02:04:40] | warlord2: | Uggh.. it ruined all my channel number entries.. |
| [02:07:56] | warlord2: | Okay, I'm restoring. |
| [02:08:05] | warlord2: | Maybe I'll consider upgrading back to 0.22.. |
| [02:08:13] | warlord2: | ... but not tonight.. need to go to bed. |
| [02:11:13] | ** Beirdo starts mentally singing Nazareth – Hair of the Dog ** | |
| [02:17:06] | warlord2: | (and I think i'll file a bug report) |
| [02:17:10] | warlord2: | ... tomorrow. |
| [02:17:14] | warlord2: | g'night all |
| [02:17:17] | jolaren: | nite lad |
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| [02:23:40] | jolaren: | btw any of u havin the bug in mythtv with ubuntu? |
| [02:23:45] | jolaren: | so that it doesnt go fullscren |
| [02:25:01] | Beirdo: | what bug is that? |
| [02:25:20] | Beirdo: | you mean like the ubuntu crappy top and bottom bars won't disappear? |
| [02:25:23] | iamlindoro: | The one where people run compiz and blame Myth for it being broken ;) |
| [02:25:39] | Beirdo: | that's not a myth bug, that's ubuntu's stuff being stupid |
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| [02:31:35] | Beirdo: | 1142 upgraded, 177 newly installed, 18 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| [02:31:35] | Beirdo: | Need to get 919MB of archives. |
| [02:31:49] | Beirdo: | tonight's upgrade: intrepid -> jaunty |
| [02:32:22] | ** iamlindoro sets record at any time on any channel for "Beirdo's adventures – Ubuntu Upgrades" ** | |
| [02:32:32] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:32:40] | Beirdo: | so far it's been mostly painless |
| [02:33:13] | Beirdo: | I have learned that mythbackend really doesn't like it when you rip both qt and mysql out from under it while it is running though... imagine that! |
| [02:34:02] | iamlindoro: | <user>Did you file a bug with the myth devs? That sounds like something that should never break! They're a bunch of jerks, they closed my last ticket as invalid!</user> |
| [02:34:20] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:35:01] | Beirdo: | well, sometimes we are a wee bit hasty, but the users COULD read instructions :) |
| [02:35:45] | iamlindoro: | If they didn't spend all their time generating stupid tickets, I wouldn't have to spend all my time closing them with witty close messages! |
| [02:36:36] | Beirdo: | well, that too |
| [02:36:37] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [02:38:34] | ** mag0o turned on 'Pit Boss' only to find it's a show about midgets and pit bulls... ** | |
| [02:38:57] | mag0o: | what was i thinking...casino...silly me |
| [02:38:58] | Beirdo: | boooo |
| [02:39:20] | wagnerrp: | do the midgets ride the pit bulls? |
| [02:39:30] | wagnerrp: | that sounds like good fun |
| [02:39:35] | mag0o: | haha |
| [02:39:41] | mag0o: | that'd make the show interesting |
| [02:39:48] | Beirdo: | do the pit bulls ride the midgets? |
| [02:39:57] | mag0o: | that's for the internet |
| [02:40:27] | iamlindoro: | mag0o, the fact that it's on Animal Planet wasn't a clue? |
| [02:40:43] | iamlindoro: | That show is odd- the main guy is a jerk |
| [02:40:52] | mag0o: | well, i found something on there the other night that had nothing to do with animals, though now i don't recall what it was |
| [02:41:05] | wagnerrp: | probably a food show |
| [02:41:27] | mag0o: | hehe |
| [02:41:50] | mag0o: | hoarders – a show to make you not feel so bad about that messy computer room |
| [02:42:07] | iamlindoro: | Heh-- American Pickers is pretty cool |
| [02:42:13] | iamlindoro: | so is Pawn Stars |
| [02:45:59] | mag0o: | i want those glasses |
| [02:46:04] | mag0o: | for my 7yo |
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| [03:10:24] | mag0o: | grr iamlindoro, now im watching that pickers show...my kind of show |
| [03:10:33] | mag0o: | i need to be doing some work! |
| [03:12:01] | ** iamlindoro smacks mag0o with some rolled up newspaper ** | |
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| [03:16:12] | Wicked: | i love those two shows :) |
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| [03:54:26] | tre: | does anyone know how to disable opengl on a mythtv frontend without a reinstall? I've tried mythfrontend -O Themepainter=qt, but that didn't work (on 0.22) |
| [03:55:44] | wagnerrp: | thats because its ThemePainter |
| [03:57:10] | tre: | what should i do then? |
| [03:57:25] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [03:57:32] | tre: | ah snap |
| [03:57:43] | tre: | lol didnt see the uppercase P |
| [03:57:47] | tre: | i'll try it thanks |
| [03:58:35] | tre: | success thanks wagnerrp |
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| [04:00:46] | ** sphery thinks on 0.23 the improper approach will work, too ** | |
| [04:01:07] | ** wagnerrp thinks it doesnt matter any more ** | |
| [04:01:12] | sphery: | heh, true |
| [04:01:30] | iamlindoro: | I know what would make it really not matter |
| [04:01:32] | sphery: | just wondering if jan neg committed the patch after he got hit with the same thing |
| [04:01:41] | iamlindoro: | giving markk the big fat thumbs up to make OpenGL a requirement |
| [04:01:48] | sphery: | yeah! |
| [04:01:57] | sphery: | technically, it is a requirement even now |
| [04:02:01] | wagnerrp: | aww... but then i would have to get MESA working |
| [04:02:12] | wagnerrp: | (when tinkering over VNC) |
| [04:02:24] | sphery: | iamlindoro: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8040 |
| [04:02:37] | sphery: | specifically http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8040#comment:1 |
| [04:03:01] | iamlindoro: | yay |
| [04:03:02] | sphery: | but now we allow software GL |
| [04:03:04] | iamlindoro: | done and done |
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| [04:07:09] | tate: | Hey, need some advice; I have a new installation of mythbuntu 9.10 on a system with a PVR 500. Before I was running 8.04 and it worked perfectly. Now under 9.10 my reception is crappy. Low channels are staticy and unwatchable, channels about 10 are watchable but grainy. Yet the channel scanner finds all the channels and it clearly records content, just not well. |
| [04:07:45] | tate: | My settings are for USCable and I'm in North America on an analog cable provider; Time Warner. THis worked right before the upgrade. |
| [04:08:09] | wagnerrp: | erm... channel scanner? |
| [04:09:36] | tate: | The channel scan capability in Mythtv setup? |
| [04:09:59] | wagnerrp: | the analog scanner is disabled in 0.22 (9.10) |
| [04:11:28] | tate: | Wha? So I can't tune properly on anything after 9.04? |
| [04:11:44] | wagnerrp: | you can tune just fine, you just cant use the scanner |
| [04:11:48] | wagnerrp: | however you shouldnt use the scanner anyway |
| [04:11:49] | tate: | That doesn't seem right, I can watch TV, it just looks bad. |
| [04:11:57] | wagnerrp: | you should be pulling a lineup from schedules direct |
| [04:12:03] | tate: | Oh I do that |
| [04:12:04] | newton21989: | or xmltv |
| [04:12:18] | tate: | But it needs to look at my cable content to tune. |
| [04:12:18] | wagnerrp: | hes in the US, that would be schedules direct |
| [04:12:40] | newton21989: | i'm in the us, i use xmltv |
| [04:12:49] | wagnerrp: | from where? |
| [04:12:58] | newton21989: | sec... |
| [04:14:10] | newton21989: | zap2it |
| [04:14:22] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [04:14:28] | kormoc: | newton21989: so you're not paying a yearly fee? |
| [04:14:31] | newton21989: | i found a pearl script that gets listings |
| [04:14:37] | wagnerrp: | zap2it stopped providing free guide data several years ago |
| [04:14:38] | newton21989: | nope, free |
| [04:14:49] | kormoc: | it's scarping zap2it's site |
| [04:14:49] | iamlindoro: | That would be.. |
| [04:14:51] | iamlindoro: | what's the word... |
| [04:14:53] | iamlindoro: | theft |
| [04:14:56] | kormoc: | illegal |
| [04:15:06] | iamlindoro: | that one too |
| [04:15:09] | kormoc: | he's one of the guys who caused the free service for all to be closed down :( |
| [04:15:12] | wagnerrp: | but he didnt agree to the ToS |
| [04:15:16] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [04:15:26] | newton21989: | hmmm? |
| [04:15:27] | kormoc: | ruined it for all the law abiding citizens |
| [04:15:37] | newton21989: | wow, this is news to me :( |
| [04:15:37] | iamlindoro: | anyway, other words include "violation of channel rules" and "bannable offense" |
| [04:16:02] | newton21989: | sorry, you heard nothing :X |
| [04:16:02] | kormoc: | newton21989: that script is illegal and theft of service and a bannable offense to talk about in this channel |
| [04:16:21] | newton21989: | you won't hear another word |
| [04:16:27] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention enormously insulting to the folks who worked hard to set up Schedules Direct |
| [04:16:44] | newton21989: | i honestly had no clue |
| [04:16:48] | iamlindoro: | and the myth devs who don't want to be associated with a bunch of thieves |
| [04:17:35] | tate: | So is there a bug with ivtv in the newere mythbuntu builds? |
| [04:18:00] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt provide ivtv drivers |
| [04:18:06] | wagnerrp: | if you have poor quality recordings from one |
| [04:18:18] | wagnerrp: | either your recording profiles have reverted to some poor quality default |
| [04:18:36] | wagnerrp: | or there was a regression in the in-kernel ivtv drivers at some point |
| [04:20:12] | tate: | The recording profile sounded right at first but the audio is all fouled up in the low channels as well. |
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| [06:24:11] | Beirdo: | jaunty upgrade is complete, recompiling myth to be sure it likes the new libs :) |
| [06:25:13] | Beirdo: | and survey says... nuvexport should work with jaunty |
| [06:25:24] | Beirdo: | FFmpeg 0.5-svn17737+3:0.svn20090303–1ubuntu6 |
| [06:25:39] | Beirdo: | we shall see later tomorrow though once this is all reinstalled |
| [06:26:53] | Beirdo: | night all |
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| [07:16:34] | xaxes: | hey there :) is there a way to delete all recordings acording to a pattern (reg-exp)? |
| [07:17:50] | wagnerrp: | not directly, no |
| [07:18:08] | wagnerrp: | in order to delete a recording properly, you need to issue a call to the backend to do so |
| [07:18:18] | xaxes: | mhh |
| [07:18:36] | wagnerrp: | are you running 0.22 or trunk? |
| [07:19:30] | xaxes: | I have many recordings of one series, and deleting by hand will take long, I guess |
| [07:19:35] | xaxes: | wait I gonna look for |
| [07:19:53] | xaxes: | MythTV Version : 0.22 |
| [07:19:54] | xaxes: | MythTV Branch : tags/release-0–22 |
| [07:20:04] | wagnerrp: | nevermind then |
| [07:20:34] | xaxes: | pity =\ |
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| [07:20:47] | xaxes: | Im thinking about upgrading to trunk.. is it recommend? |
| [07:20:53] | wagnerrp: | i was going to suggest a bit of python, but thats only available in trunk |
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| [07:22:31] | Jester86: | hello guys |
| [07:22:44] | xaxes: | hey Jester86 |
| [07:22:58] | Jester86: | I was just wondering what any of you thought about using a network share drive to record to |
| [07:23:08] | xaxes: | wagnerrp: thanks for help, gonna try upgrade to trunk ;) |
| [07:23:25] | Jester86: | I'm considering making a linux router and throwing a few hdds in it in some form of raid configuration |
| [07:23:46] | wagnerrp: | well if youre moving to trunk, i could whip up a bit of code to delete matching recordings |
| [07:24:00] | xaxes: | wagnerrp: that would be nice :) |
| [07:24:02] | wagnerrp: | Jester05: recording over NFS works just fine |
| [07:24:23] | Jester86: | wagnerrp, I figured/hoped it would.. running all gig network here |
| [07:24:56] | Jester86: | just curious as to whether or not I should have my nfs be in the router box.. |
| [07:25:26] | wagnerrp: | its generally better to have it in the machine running the backend |
| [07:25:27] | Jester86: | I have an old P4 2.8ghz box.. considered making it the router and mythtv masterbackend |
| [07:25:45] | wagnerrp: | poor choice for a machine to stay on all the time |
| [07:25:46] | Jester86: | would u also use that box as the router? |
| [07:25:59] | Jester86: | why do you say that wagnerrp? |
| [07:26:12] | wagnerrp: | P4s were underperforming, and overpowered |
| [07:26:27] | Jester86: | I have a dell slim P4 2.4ghz thats i currently use as a FE |
| [07:26:41] | Jester86: | I currently use the P4 2.8ghz as FE and BE |
| [07:26:55] | wagnerrp: | if thats all youve got, i suppose thats fine |
| [07:27:26] | Jester86: | well I just want to do something with them.. they don't have the power for FE work here in a little longer.. migrating to all bluray collections and they can't handle the playback |
| [07:28:16] | Jester86: | I'm really not sure what to do.. I'm at a crossroads |
| [07:29:09] | Jester86: | I'd like to create a new FE box for my livingroom pc.. I'd also like it to dual boot into windows (possibly virtual box into windows) so i can use to it to game/ run RC flight sims |
| [07:30:20] | Jester86: | once I create that I'll be changing my backend setup also.. currently the master backend is also the frontend in the living room.. and I currently have a 500g hdd for recording and 1tb for video/music storage |
| [07:30:58] | Jester86: | I would at least like to mirror my storage portion onto at least 2 drives |
| [07:31:10] | Jester86: | not sure if i need to mirror my recordings or not |
| [07:31:34] | Jester86: | though I fear I need more than 500g for recordings.. when it was just me it was alright but now my gf is recording all sorts of crap too lol |
| [07:32:10] | Jester86: | she's making me install mythfrontend on her laptop so she can watch her stuff when she's over too.. isn't that crap lol |
| [07:32:26] | wagnerrp: | xaxes: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1842121 |
| [07:32:55] | Jester86: | what do you think would be best to do in my situation wagnerrp |
| [07:32:57] | xaxes: | wagnerrp: thanks! :) |
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| [07:33:39] | wagnerrp: | Jester05: if you intend to have much of a bluray collection, 1TB is woefully inadequate |
| [07:33:39] | xaxes: | Im fetching trunk at the moment, excited how it will be :) |
| [07:33:48] | wagnerrp: | that might get you ~30 movies |
| [07:34:04] | Jester86: | yeah I've been thinking about that a lot lately |
| [07:34:23] | wagnerrp: | also, like you said, a P4 will be underpowered for that |
| [07:34:25] | Jester86: | been looking into 8port pci sata cards |
| [07:34:42] | wagnerrp: | you want pcie or pcix |
| [07:34:50] | Jester86: | why not pci? |
| [07:34:56] | wagnerrp: | you do not want more than 1–2 drives on a single PCI card |
| [07:35:03] | Jester86: | bus speed limitation make it not worth it? |
| [07:35:08] | Jester86: | ohhh alright |
| [07:35:21] | wagnerrp: | one hard drive will exceed the throughput of the entire PCI bus |
| [07:35:21] | Jester86: | I worried about that w/ pci's speed.. |
| [07:35:29] | Jester86: | hmm |
| [07:35:43] | wagnerrp: | which is really a problem if you start doing file IO, while recording from a PCI card |
| [07:35:47] | Jester86: | sounds like the only thing I can really do is just create a new pc for this task.. |
| [07:36:07] | Jester86: | yeah true... |
| [07:36:18] | Jester86: | well here's the thing.. i have 4 pci tuner cards |
| [07:36:42] | Jester86: | 3 of which I'm currently using.. planning to get the 4th up and running in a bit |
| [07:37:08] | Jester86: | so if I build a new machine it'll be hard to get all 4 on a mobo and still have some form of pcie |
| [07:37:24] | Jester86: | pcie/pcix* |
| [07:37:33] | wagnerrp: | what type of cards? |
| [07:37:52] | wagnerrp: | could you swap them out for pcie cards and/or dual tuner cards? |
| [07:38:06] | wagnerrp: | or maybe something network attached like a hdhomerun |
| [07:38:20] | Jester86: | I have 2 pvr150s , 1 tuning analog cable, the other capturing the cable box.. 1 dvico hdtv3 and 1 dvico hdtv5 |
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| [07:38:46] | Jester86: | I have one of the dvico's recording OTA |
| [07:38:58] | oobe is now known as elbmek | |
| [07:39:03] | Jester86: | want to get the other tuning unencrypted digital cable or put it on OTA as well |
| [07:39:15] | wagnerrp: | if you have an antenna already |
| [07:39:21] | wagnerrp: | youre better off just putting both on it |
| [07:39:34] | wagnerrp: | since youre not likely to get more over cable then you already do off the antenna |
| [07:39:48] | Jester86: | I only have an internal ant so far since I'm renting.. will be buying within the 6 month stretch |
| [07:40:00] | Jester86: | I graduate college w/ my EE degree in ~4 days |
| [07:40:31] | wagnerrp: | there are still a handful of boards that come with several PCI slots |
| [07:40:33] | elbmek is now known as oobe | |
| [07:40:35] | wagnerrp: | but they are a bit rare |
| [07:40:38] | Jester86: | yeah I thought about that point too wagnerrp only issue is w/ that internal ant signal get iffy some times |
| [07:40:47] | wagnerrp: | and generally intended for industrial use |
| [07:40:53] | Jester86: | yeah |
| [07:41:10] | wagnerrp: | Jester05: well i assumed if you were using an antenna, it was probably a rather large one hard mounted somewhere |
| [07:41:41] | wagnerrp: | dayton, eh? |
| [07:41:51] | Jester86: | wagnerrp, yeah i was going to ask you if I'd get alot better service with an external |
| [07:42:00] | Jester86: | yes I live in Beavercreek currently |
| [07:42:14] | Jester86: | looking at a job on the base dealing with their super computing network ;) |
| [07:42:15] | wagnerrp: | honestly, im close enough to the towers i can almost get by with bunny ears |
| [07:42:24] | wagnerrp: | im about an hour down 75 |
| [07:42:29] | Jester86: | I'm running w/ bunny ears now |
| [07:42:49] | ** wagnerrp has his own local super computer.... dwarfed by AFRL's though ** | |
| [07:43:09] | Jester86: | lol yeah the DREN is amazing... |
| [07:43:26] | Jester86: | I would love working on that type of a project.. |
| [07:43:41] | wagnerrp: | i know someone who used that |
| [07:43:46] | Jester86: | i have a conf call with them about it wed |
| [07:43:56] | wagnerrp: | and by 'that', i mean the whole thing |
| [07:44:08] | wagnerrp: | all 8k processors or something |
| [07:44:29] | Jester86: | thing is I didn't take any real networking classes in school... just talked to the guy about it a lot at a career fair and he seemed to like me |
| [07:44:37] | Jester86: | its a bit more than 8k now ;) |
| [07:44:39] | Jester86: | lol |
| [07:45:05] | wagnerrp: | well this was when they first opened up the new machine, would have been early 2007 |
| [07:45:12] | Jester86: | yeah |
| [07:45:18] | Jester86: | its amazing how fast things change... |
| [07:45:42] | wagnerrp: | they just opened it up, no one was using it |
| [07:45:43] | Jester86: | the connection speed they have from the east side of the us to the west side is ridic |
| [07:45:49] | Jester86: | we're talking gigs per second.. |
| [07:45:52] | wagnerrp: | so he threw up a job to fill it |
| [07:46:34] | Jester86: | yeah.. I'll let you know how the conf call goes w/ them |
| [07:46:40] | Jester86: | I'm really hoping I get a chance at it.. |
| [07:47:20] | wagnerrp: | im more of a user, than a maintainer |
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| [07:47:35] | Jester86: | what do you do? |
| [07:47:57] | wagnerrp: | turbomachinery |
| [07:47:59] | Jester86: | I'd be working more on the R&D side of the DREN network.. making it even faster |
| [07:48:11] | Jester86: | turbomachinery? |
| [07:48:28] | wagnerrp: | jet engines |
| [07:48:35] | Jester86: | I've been working in building design for a while but think I need to work more in the PC world.. it'd never be like work for me |
| [07:48:38] | wagnerrp: | specifically simulation of compressors |
| [07:49:15] | Jester86: | ohh thats cool. I had a professor, John Tam, works in propulsions @ wpafb |
| [07:51:13] | Jester86: | if you were me what would you do with those 2 P4 machines I mentioned tho |
| [07:51:32] | Jester86: | they work great for recording playback and SD movies, music, etc |
| [07:51:43] | wagnerrp: | junk 'em, maybe hand-me-down to a young cousin |
| [07:51:49] | Jester86: | just won't be able to handle any of the newer media i'll be going to |
| [07:52:29] | Jester86: | lol I've considered that but Idk .. the P4 2.8 box was my first build lol I like to see that 8–9 yrs later she's still running strong |
| [07:52:39] | Jester86: | even if its on its second power supply and hdd lol |
| [07:53:52] | wagnerrp: | still running? sure... stably? ok... but its overpowered by the cheapest hardware you can still purchase retail |
| [07:54:05] | wagnerrp: | im talking like a $150 computer |
| [07:54:18] | Jester86: | yeah.. true enough |
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| [07:54:31] | Jester86: | I wonder what the power consumption difference would be |
| [07:54:42] | Jester86: | well the difference per year in energy.. |
| [07:54:56] | Jester86: | prob costing me $50+/yr |
| [07:55:17] | Jester86: | i'd have a new pc paid off in 2 yrs if i build on on the cheap |
| [07:55:26] | Jester86: | one on* |
| [07:55:26] | wagnerrp: | our 3GHz P4 nodes idle around 0.8A, or around $90–100/yr |
| [07:55:40] | Jester86: | hmm |
| [07:55:47] | Jester86: | you raise a good point sir |
| [07:55:54] | wagnerrp: | our 2.66GHz C2D nodes idle around 0.35A, or maybe $45/yr |
| [07:56:07] | wagnerrp: | and have about 3x the compute power |
| [07:56:15] | Jester86: | yeah |
| [07:56:33] | Jester86: | not to mention handles mult takes much better and has a higher internal bus speed |
| [07:56:45] | wagnerrp: | ive not yet load ampmetered any of our i7 boxes |
| [07:56:53] | Jester86: | let me pass another idea by you then.. |
| [07:57:14] | Jester86: | would you use your mythback/NFS as a router also? |
| [07:57:51] | Jester86: | I figure if I'm going to have the box on for mythbackend/NFS work i might as well have it do the routing as well |
| [07:57:56] | wagnerrp: | me personally? ive got a little embedded box as my router |
| [07:58:39] | Jester86: | I've considered doing that but.. if the box is going to be on and I'm operating on a fresh out of college budget you think it'd be worth trying? |
| [07:59:03] | Jester86: | note it'd need to be routing a gig network... |
| [07:59:26] | wagnerrp: | well you would need gigabit for internal |
| [07:59:31] | wagnerrp: | you wouldnt need to route that |
| [07:59:34] | Jester86: | don't know what sort of through put that's going to require.. 10/100 WAN side.. 10/100/1000 LAN side |
| [07:59:57] | Jester86: | man.. great minds think alike.. |
| [07:59:58] | Jester86: | lol |
| [08:00:33] | wagnerrp: | my little embedded 500MHz Geode would have no problem routing 10/100 network |
| [08:00:37] | Jester86: | would I be able to put a draft N adapter in it and use that to provide a draft N hotspot too? |
| [08:01:11] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt know anything about setting up a linux box as an access point |
| [08:01:29] | Jester86: | I'd realistically want a 3 channel draft N terminal set and a single channel a/b/g |
| [08:01:35] | Jester86: | ohh.. alright |
| [08:01:52] | wagnerrp: | you actually have a use for a/b? |
| [08:02:07] | wagnerrp: | hardly anyone ever used a, and hardly anyone still uses b |
| [08:02:09] | Jester86: | well no but I have a usb a/b/g device ;) |
| [08:02:26] | Jester86: | its just laying around |
| [08:02:36] | Jester86: | was using it on my masterbackend for a bit |
| [08:02:46] | wagnerrp: | draft-n... they havent gotten that thing ratified yet? |
| [08:02:52] | Jester86: | worked great when I had a solo FE/BE but now I have additional FEs |
| [08:03:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah... wireless and mythtv dont mix |
| [08:03:26] | Jester86: | tho g still works fine for most SD recorded playback .. doesn't work so great for movies |
| [08:03:54] | Jester86: | I dunno man.. I really had pretty good connection streaming recordings and SD movies to my FE |
| [08:03:58] | wagnerrp: | the internal player is not designed for bursty, unreliable networks |
| [08:04:24] | Jester86: | yeah I know but I was pleasantly impressed with my connection |
| [08:04:29] | Jester86: | rarely had an issue |
| [08:04:45] | Jester86: | until I tried to stream 720.. lol |
| [08:05:03] | Jester86: | and 1080.. not that my FE could even handle it ;) |
| [08:05:20] | Jester86: | well my FE could handle none h 1080 |
| [08:05:25] | wagnerrp: | must not have been around many people... or used a cordless phone... or a microwave... or florescent bulbs... or.... |
| [08:05:57] | Jester86: | yeah it only has 1 wall separating it too |
| [08:06:04] | Jester86: | and its about a 50ft spread if that |
| [08:06:11] | Jester86: | prob closer to 30ft actually |
| [08:06:18] | wagnerrp: | thin walls |
| [08:06:28] | Jester86: | and no electrical between the two points |
| [08:06:34] | wagnerrp: | wireless doesnt much like stucco, or concrete, or brick |
| [08:06:52] | Jester86: | yeah it was just an interior wall |
| [08:06:58] | Jester86: | nothing big.. just lack and plaster |
| [08:06:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah, so are mine |
| [08:07:24] | Jester86: | I've heard mixed results using a 3 channel draft n setup tho |
| [08:07:32] | Jester86: | some claim it works flawlessly |
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| [08:07:38] | Jester86: | others claim it doesnt work |
| [08:07:49] | Jester86: | tho the people who say it doesn't work seem never to have tried it.. |
| [08:08:01] | wagnerrp: | it works just as well as other wireless, just with more bandwidth |
| [08:08:15] | Jester86: | they just say how unreliable the signal is but when you think about it.. what are the odds that all 3 channels would fail at the same time? |
| [08:08:19] | wagnerrp: | which means you get intermittent playback of higher bitrate content |
| [08:08:56] | wagnerrp: | as an EE, you should know better |
| [08:09:17] | Jester86: | lol I know, theoretically it makes sense but after talking to people who have done it.... |
| [08:09:23] | wagnerrp: | if youve got a device blasting out microwave, its going to block everything |
| [08:09:49] | Jester86: | well thats why you don't start the movie until after you've made popcorn ;) |
| [08:10:08] | wagnerrp: | and hope your neighbors arent trying out their brand new baby monitor |
| [08:10:13] | Jester86: | lol |
| [08:10:21] | wagnerrp: | those have been known to knock out wireless for several houses |
| [08:11:10] | Jester86: | I don't know if 2.4ghz really travels far enough w/ a decent enough intensity to override the draft N in my house assuming a short distance with minimal transfer medium |
| [08:11:59] | wagnerrp: | all they have to do is bring up the noise level enough that you start getting bit error |
| [08:12:00] | Jester86: | FCC regulations should keep the amps of that Tx pretty low.. |
| [08:12:12] | wagnerrp: | at which point you have to resend packets |
| [08:12:17] | wagnerrp: | and the whole thing cascades |
| [08:12:23] | Jester86: | yeah true |
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| [08:13:05] | Jester86: | wonder what sort of an impact having a 3 channel draft n , or even g for that matter, would have on that scenario |
| [08:13:29] | Jester86: | granted you'll need a 3 channel Tx and Rx setup |
| [08:13:47] | wagnerrp: | N is designed to co-exist nicely with other N devices |
| [08:14:09] | wagnerrp: | and the three channels are spatially separated, so the receiving device has logic to separate out the signals |
| [08:14:22] | wagnerrp: | they wont interfere with each other |
| [08:14:43] | wagnerrp: | and you really want to be using the 5GHz band |
| [08:14:47] | Jester86: | yeah .. I mean in terms of handling noise, exterior interference |
| [08:14:56] | wagnerrp: | its relatively unused, and theres a LOT more of it |
| [08:15:05] | Jester86: | hmm |
| [08:15:20] | wagnerrp: | i mean a couple dozen non-overlapping channels |
| [08:15:33] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to the 2.4 band which has three non-overlapping channels |
| [08:15:53] | wagnerrp: | which are also used by a whole slew of cordless devices |
| [08:16:08] | Jester86: | yeah.. |
| [08:16:20] | Jester86: | only problem is in the future more and more devices will be going 5ghz |
| [08:16:32] | Jester86: | i've already seen a few cordless phone systems that run 5ghz |
| [08:16:43] | wagnerrp: | they run 5.8, or somewhere past 6 |
| [08:17:06] | Jester86: | yeah I just mean in time even 5ghz will be closed in don't you think? |
| [08:17:22] | wagnerrp: | while A and N use the 5.47 band |
| [08:17:59] | Jester86: | http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Gateway-Broadcom-4318 . . . em20affcd2f0 |
| [08:18:13] | Jester86: | what do you think of something like that.. just theoretically right now |
| [08:18:41] | Jester86: | think I could connect a frontend to a backend with something like that? |
| [08:18:50] | Jester86: | 3 channel Tx and Rx... |
| [08:19:00] | wagnerrp: | i dont like buying electronics off ebay |
| [08:19:32] | wagnerrp: | and im going to bed, its past 4am |
| [08:20:09] | Jester86: | alright man |
| [08:20:11] | Jester86: | have a good one |
| [08:20:13] | Jester86: | thanks for the info |
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| [08:46:58] | xaxes: | wagnerrp: browsing recordings is much faster in trunk! :) |
| [08:47:19] | xaxes: | everything is much faster :) |
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| [08:55:31] | xaxes: | how to modify themes? In preview of the graphite (widescreen) theme, it's more black and looks much better as it's looking for me (colored) |
| [09:06:43] | xaxes: | wagnerrp: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1842157 |
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| [09:09:24] | xaxes: | gonna install sql-support for python .. sorry |
| [09:10:14] | xaxes: | but dont know where to set login-credentials for database |
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| [09:24:43] | justinh: | xaxes: if modifying a graphic is all you want to do, find the theme directory & change the PNG file (or JPG) yourself :) |
| [09:25:06] | justinh: | generally /usr/share/mythtv/themes/THEMENAME or /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/THEMENAME |
| [09:25:30] | xaxes: | justinh: I also have only two lines of recording-previews, but would be nice to have 4 or something else ;) |
| [09:25:40] | xaxes: | okay, gonna lok for, thanks so far :) |
| [09:26:03] | justinh: | to change the text areas, you need to edit the theme xml files |
| [09:26:21] | justinh: | for that screen the file you need to edit is recordings-ui.xml |
| [09:26:36] | xaxes: | thanks :) |
| [09:26:38] | justinh: | if I remember correctly |
| [09:27:47] | xaxes: | another question about grouping my recordings, Id like to have groups like "default" to sort my recordings.. had set something few months ago, but didnt work. Can you give me a tip what I have to set up? playback groups / recordings groups and so on? |
| [09:27:52] | justinh: | but to make one text area bigger you'll likely have to make another around it smaller |
| [09:28:06] | justinh: | recording groups |
| [09:29:05] | xaxes: | okay.. first of all trying to sort my recordings :) |
| [09:31:57] | justinh: | the old thing about how many lines to include in programme descriptions has always been a tricky call |
| [09:32:34] | justinh: | some grabbers of EPG data give many more than just 2 lines of description, so to make room for all of them would probably take up half the screen |
| [09:33:07] | justinh: | now if we had areas that could scroll by themselves.. ;-) |
| [09:33:27] | justinh: | or, say expand when you select them... hmm now there's an idea |
| [09:34:59] | justinh: | ow. Now I have 157GB of FLACs |
| [09:37:35] | xaxes: | mhh, cant find the place again to set up other recordings-groups ^^ |
| [09:37:55] | xaxes: | lol, got it |
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| [09:38:20] | justinh: | utils/setup – > settings -> TV somewhere |
| [09:39:32] | xaxes: | Now I have a recording -group, put there three items in, but on top of my media-library are only "default" and "default" .. nothing to see about "The Simpsons" or stuff |
| [09:39:42] | justinh: | we only have 2 recording groups at home. one for my wife's recordings, which gets played back at 1.2X speed, and one for me :) |
| [09:39:58] | xaxes: | hehe :D |
| [09:40:42] | justinh: | have to start thinking of ways to better child-proof mythtv eventually too |
| [09:41:09] | justinh: | parental controls++++++++++++++++++++ |
| [09:41:58] | xaxes: | mhh how to set new storage groups? ^^ |
| [09:42:00] | justinh: | wonder if freedb has rating info |
| [09:42:04] | justinh: | in mythtv-setup |
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| [09:42:13] | xaxes: | okay thanks |
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| [09:45:31] | justinh: | time to visit the pit of despair. I mean uh, mythtvtalk.com/forum |
| [09:47:22] | xaxes: | mhh justinh I have a recording group called "simpsons" and a "storagegroup" called so.. but only "default" is twice in top of the media-library preview |
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| [09:47:43] | justinh: | meh. just one retard who wants a commandline tool to rescan mythvideo directories. pfft |
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| [10:37:56] | xaxes: | whats about automated removing from commercials? ;) is there a way? |
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| [11:06:42] | justinh: | whee tidied up my dvb radio export script some more, now it's tagging files properly with long descriptions so the rss generator has more to work with :) |
| [11:08:19] | justinh: | xaxes: automated commercial removing is not to be trusted. sure if commercial flagging were 100% reliable, but it's not |
| [11:09:11] | justinh: | there's bog-all TV worth keeping for repeat watching anyway IMHO |
| [11:09:27] | justinh: | anything worth watching again is worthy of buying a box set :-) |
| [11:09:58] | justinh: | less of a time sink than manually checking commercial cutpoints & messing around with transcoding |
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| [11:35:41] | edi_: | Hello to everybody |
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| [11:38:16] | edi_: | is any jamu-expert around here? |
| [11:40:14] | edi_: | I've got two questions about jamu: |
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| [11:40:57] | justinh: | so just ask already |
| [11:41:02] | justinh: | don't ask to ask. it's annoying |
| [11:41:11] | sid3windr: | meta questions ftw |
| [11:41:11] | edi_: | #1: I just added a bunch of around 150 files to my 600 files video collection. the video collection itself was tagged in pre-jamu. |
| [11:41:32] | edi_: | i run now jamu with -MIV on the whole collection |
| [11:42:20] | edi_: | lots of the files, it recognized correctly. but with the ones i got an choice of different files, jamu does not update the collection. |
| [11:43:11] | edi_: | for example, for "butterfly effect", i got like 3 selections. I selectet nr. 2.... but INETREF is still 00000000 in the database, and there is no metadata or anything else |
| [11:43:37] | edi_: | mythtv version 23738 |
| [11:43:40] | justinh: | it's a bit much to expect jamu to choose the right option for you where multiple options exist |
| [11:43:59] | edi_: | oh, sorry, you got me wrong. |
| [11:44:04] | oobe: | he selected interactive mode |
| [11:44:06] | justinh: | it does its best given what TMDB returns |
| [11:44:16] | edi_: | i choosed the correct one in interactive: |
| [11:44:33] | edi_: | for example "jamu -MIV" |
| [11:44:44] | edi_: | then, it stops here: |
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| [11:46:33] | justinh: | meh. wonder where those 150 video files came from anyway |
| [11:46:34] | edi_: | http://pastebin.com/YuAKZnmM |
| [11:48:02] | edi_: | In this case, I enter the correct tmdb-number: 03981 |
| [11:51:11] | edi_: | after the run, i get this one: pstebin.com/R2QmESVE |
| [11:52:08] | edi_: | oh, about 100 Video files are from my mate that's moving to my flat, the origin is a DVB-C-Harddisc-Recorder. We renamed this files to the german movie title |
| [11:52:18] | edi_: | the other 50s are dvd-rips |
| [11:53:06] | edi_: | in which way is the origin of a videofile important for jamu? where do i have to pay attention there? |
| [11:54:31] | justinh: | not surprised jamu didn't find anything for "Was Frauen Wollen" |
| [11:55:28] | justinh: | but then searching on that does actually produce 03981 in the search results |
| [11:55:34] | edi_: | me neighter. but in interactive mode, if i enter the 5digit tmdb-numer, should it not update the database with the english title and download metadata and artwork? |
| [11:55:52] | justinh: | I don't know. what do the docs say? |
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| [11:57:04] | edi_: | is there another source of doc besides of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu ?? |
| [11:57:10] | edi_: | in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu , it sais: |
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| [11:58:33] | edi_: | An interactive session is required to get that information input into the MythTV data base. |
| [11:58:47] | edi_: | and the interactive session is startet via the -I switch |
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| [12:10:39] | Beirdo: | oh wonderful |
| [12:11:03] | Beirdo: | with jaunty, I'm actually seeing the bug in nuvexport that the guy was reporting? |
| [12:11:13] | Beirdo: | OK, at least I can hunt it down then |
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| [13:19:59] | xaxes: | thanks and bye :) |
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| [13:22:23] | GreyFoxx: | 3 |
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| [13:34:20] | tripppy: | anyone having issues on ubuntu NBR with mythfront end? |
| [13:34:42] | justinh: | NBR? |
| [13:34:52] | donEduardo: | Net Book Remix |
| [13:35:12] | justinh: | I imagine you're having serious issues with a sluggish UI & slow video playback |
| [13:35:15] | tripppy: | it seems to be running fine. but no gui is appearing |
| [13:35:26] | tripppy: | i start it in terminal |
| [13:35:30] | justinh: | that wouldn't be what I'd call fine :D |
| [13:35:34] | sid3windr: | lol |
| [13:35:48] | justinh: | everything seems to be okay, other than the fact that nothing works :) |
| [13:35:54] | donEduardo: | i got it running on an ATOM/ION-Combination with VDPAU... |
| [13:35:59] | donEduardo: | rather usable, but not perfect |
| [13:36:14] | justinh: | there are ion netbooks now?! |
| [13:36:29] | [Peter]: | yep |
| [13:36:34] | donEduardo: | of course |
| [13:36:40] | justinh: | yay more toys I can't have |
| [13:37:14] | justinh: | anyway, no UI is usually caused by missing fonts, broken opengl... |
| [13:37:34] | justinh: | or simply just being Udo |
| [13:38:24] | tripppy: | i ran mythfrontend --verbose all |
| [13:38:29] | tripppy: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1842361 |
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| [13:38:33] | tripppy: | i get that |
| [13:38:52] | tripppy: | is that the best way to see whats going on? |
| [13:39:06] | tripppy: | the mythfrontend asks me engilsh and server details |
| [13:39:15] | tripppy: | when i run 2st time |
| [13:39:16] | tripppy: | 1st |
| [13:39:23] | justinh: | is that it?! |
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| [13:39:58] | justinh: | you need to tell mythfrontend the correct mysql password FYI |
| [13:40:29] | tripppy: | yeah it is, i just change it |
| [13:40:31] | justinh: | and BTW this is not 'no gui is appearing' if it's getting as far as asking for DB details :-\ |
| [13:40:47] | tripppy: | um. ok. |
| [13:40:58] | tripppy: | frontend gui not appearing? |
| [13:41:03] | justinh: | not even that |
| [13:41:11] | justinh: | if the GUI wasn't appearing you'd see nothing on screen |
| [13:41:35] | justinh: | the problem is, the db credentials you're giving mythfrontend don't seem to be working |
| [13:42:24] | justinh: | that can be due to a number of factors, such as the mysql server being bound only to localhost, or privileges not allowing logins from remote machines... or mythbackend being bound only to localhost... |
| [13:42:40] | tripppy: | how do i run the frontend setup thingo again? |
| [13:43:01] | justinh: | first of all, can you log into the mysql server from the netbook from a terminal? |
| [13:43:17] | justinh: | e.g. mysql -u $user -p$PASSWORD -h $host ??? |
| [13:43:42] | justinh: | mythfrontend first of all connects to the database to find out where the backend lives |
| [13:43:53] | justinh: | so if db access isn't possible, nothing will work |
| [13:43:58] | warlord2: | sphery: FYI, Cobert was cut short last night (again).. It was on HDHR0–1. It stopped recording when HDHR0–0 started recording Letterman |
| [13:44:14] | warlord2: | This is not a tuning problem, it's clearly a recording problem. |
| [13:44:17] | tripppy: | justinh, |
| [13:44:22] | tripppy: | will do |
| [13:44:56] | justinh: | warlord2: so your tuner was busy recording another channel. quel surprise |
| [13:45:23] | justinh: | lots of tuners only allow recording one thing at a time |
| [13:45:38] | warlord2: | justinh: Bzzt. Try again. HDHRs have 2 tuners per box. |
| [13:45:41] | warlord2: | Independent. |
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| [13:46:06] | justinh: | warlord2: oh pardon me for not reading every single log entry. I'kll bloody BZZZZZZZZZZZZt you |
| [13:46:48] | warlord2: | Box #0, Tuner #0 was recording Daily Show at 11. Then Box #0, Tuner #1 stared recording Cobert at 11:30. Then at 11:35 0–0 started recording Letterman, and 0–1 STOPPED recording Cobert. |
| [13:47:09] | justinh: | I wouldn't be absolutely sure of that without seeing the log |
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| [13:47:46] | tripppy: | justinh, i connect sucessfully, what is the command to run mythtv frontend setup? |
| [13:47:54] | justinh: | but it's possible there are still bugs to be worked out in the HDHR code |
| [13:48:16] | justinh: | tripppy: no command, just wipe out the config file in ~/.mythtv |
| [13:48:25] | justinh: | wipe out/rename |
| [13:48:26] | warlord2: | It happened last night when 0–0 and 0–1 were set to record shows simultaneously, too. I have the backend log from there (with -v channel,record,siparser) and I'll grab the log from 2300–2340 |
| [13:48:38] | warlord2: | I'll note that 0.22 was rock solid with HDHR. |
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| [13:48:59] | tripppy: | yeah. thnx, doing it now. |
| [13:49:01] | warlord2: | This only started happening on 3/11 when I upgraded to trunk. |
| [13:49:12] | Josh``: | Hey guys, I've got a stuipd question. I'm running Debian Lenny, and in order to get my Nvidia GTX 285 to work properly I had to install the drivers from nvidia's websiite, the ones in my package repo would not work. Now I"m trying to compile mythtv 0.22, and make can't find -lGL |
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| [13:50:22] | Josh``: | Is there a way to point make to the nvidia binary? |
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| [14:00:23] | jolaren: | You lot often have answers to teh strangest questions so ima try and give it a go. When I try to view some of my recordings from my front/backend the entire computer freezes, but when I view teh same recording from my netbook everything is fine |
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| [14:44:50] | highzeth: | and you are gonna supply be & fe logs for us? |
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| [14:51:55] | Beirdo: | woohoo |
| [14:52:05] | Beirdo: | fitpc does work |
| [14:52:33] | Beirdo: | grabbed some log and diagnostics, and shut it back off again (booted 9.10 livecd image off USB) |
| [14:52:52] | Beirdo: | I need to put the install CD image onto the 2G stick so I can install onto the 8G stick |
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| [14:53:03] | Beirdo: | as 9.10 won't install in 2G |
| [14:53:07] | Beirdo: | idiotic |
| [14:56:29] | justinh: | there's an argument for going with NonBuntu if ever there was one ;) |
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| [15:00:58] | justinh: | antlarr: your constant joining & quit messages are beyond a nuisance now. sort out your client |
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| [15:04:07] | highzeth: | justinh: or sort out your client, disable join/quit messages ;) |
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| [15:11:52] | sphery: | warlord2: that's different from, but similar to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7144 . In #7144, it actually ended all recordings when one ended. This one is ending one when a second starts. Would be interesting to know if you had it recording from HDHR0–1 and a recordings started on HDHR0–0 if it would end the recording on -1 (the opposite of what you saw). |
| [15:12:46] | warlord2: | Actually, it seems to happen in both directions. Going from 0–0 to 0–1 stops the recording on -0, and then going back to -0 stops the recording on -1 |
| [15:12:52] | sphery: | but it sounds a lot like a similar state issue |
| [15:12:56] | warlord2: | See #8193 |
| [15:13:29] | sphery: | Interesting. |
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| [15:13:45] | warlord2: | But.. I'm not using multirec. (at least I dont think I am) |
| [15:13:58] | sphery: | Yeah, multirec wasn't important on that last one |
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| [15:14:19] | sphery: | that was a user word before the problem wsa understood. |
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| [15:15:11] | warlord2: | I thought multirec was multiple recordings off the same HDHR tuner when the two recordings are subchannels on the same freq? |
| [15:15:18] | sphery: | yes |
| [15:15:55] | sphery: | but I think the problem existed with or without it after an hdhr lib update |
| [15:16:52] | sphery: | maybe it was a single tuner only |
| [15:16:55] | warlord2: | It does sound similar to that. |
| [15:17:10] | sphery: | anyway, it's definitely a different issue, regardless |
| [15:17:19] | warlord2: | Yes |
| [15:17:30] | sphery: | just sounded similar to something else we had seen |
| [15:17:36] | warlord2: | * nods * |
| [15:17:49] | warlord2: | Well, I think I'm going to upgrade back to 0.22... |
| [15:17:51] | sphery: | anyway, thanks for debugging it |
| [15:18:28] | warlord2: | Well, not sure I did much except find it. |
| [15:18:53] | warlord2: | I think I need to setup a secondard system for debugging that wont affect my primary system. WAF and all that. |
| [15:19:02] | sphery: | finding a reproduceable test case is always critical for getting it fixed |
| [15:19:08] | warlord2: | True.. |
| [15:19:13] | sphery: | so figuring out when it happens was important |
| [15:19:30] | warlord2: | I'm surprised it took me this long to notice. |
| [15:20:07] | sphery: | warlord2: btw, are you using the most current HDHR firmware? |
| [15:20:13] | warlord2: | Yep |
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| [15:20:33] | sphery: | OK, I think the most recent libhdhomerun update required it, so just checking |
| [15:20:42] | warlord2: | 20100213 |
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| [15:21:32] | warlord2: | NP |
| [15:21:47] | warlord2: | (I remember reading about that in the -commits log) |
| [15:22:15] | sphery: | cool... and thanks for keeping up with changes, too :) |
| [15:23:07] | warlord2: | Heh. I'm an old hat at this. |
| [15:23:35] | warlord2: | Been a myth user since around 0.11 or 0.12, helped debug some early pvr-250/350 issues. Got a few patches into the code back then, too. |
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| [15:27:27] | warlord2: | sphery: is there a good/easy way to teach my 0.22 restoration about the 3 recordings that happened in the intervening days? |
| [15:33:01] | justinh: | highzeth: whee /ignore -replies *@*.ono.com |
| [15:33:52] | justinh: | oh wait I'm still seeing join/quit messages there. damnit |
| [15:34:34] | highzeth: | good clients got the option to ignore join/leave messages |
| [15:34:36] | warlord2: | WB justinh |
| [15:34:49] | justinh: | I like seeing some join/leave messages |
| [15:35:00] | justinh: | but ignoring domains wholesale tends to be much more useful :D |
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| [15:37:41] | justinh: | and no, people having retarded clients which autojoin incessantly should be banned IMHO |
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| [15:38:38] | squish102: | should an hdhr support multicast in 0.21? |
| [15:38:59] | Beirdo: | alcohol, my permanent accessory... |
| [15:39:17] | justinh: | come to think.. might just be quicker for me to have an allow list |
| [15:39:36] | Beirdo: | justinh: have a pint :) |
| [15:40:08] | warlord2: | squish102: please define what you mean by "multicast"? |
| [15:40:10] | Beirdo: | it's good for ya |
| [15:40:23] | sphery: | warlord2: Not really. IMHO, the best approach is to put those 3 recordings into MythVideo and watch them from there. There are 2 scripts in contrib that claim to do it, but they each have their issues. (And are scheduled for destruction as soon as the functionality is moved to the frontend/backend, where it belongs.) |
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| [15:41:19] | warlord2: | sphery: I kinda figured that was the answer. Thanks. |
| [15:41:29] | squish102: | warlord2 i think what i mean is that if there are two channles, i could record both shows with one tuner |
| [15:42:18] | squish102: | i came from a different card (hdwonder) that could do it |
| [15:42:19] | warlord2: | squish102: ah. i'm pretty sure the answer is no. you can record one show on each of the two HDHR tuners. |
| [15:42:34] | squish102: | ok thx |
| [15:42:50] | warlord2: | at least in 0.21 (and 0.22, I think). I think that 0.23 might support that, once it's released. |
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| [15:44:08] | sphery: | squish102: right, no HDHR multirec in 0.21. It is in 0.22, though. |
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| [15:45:16] | squish102: | sux2bme... I have such a stable system and very very scared to touch it and upgrade |
| [15:45:21] | warlord2: | oh, it is in 0.22? neat. |
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| [16:02:06] | donEduardo: | does anybody know if the Qudro NVS X4600 is supported by VDPAU? I got both statements on the net... |
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| [16:02:39] | iamlindoro: | Just check the nVidia driver release notes, that's the one and only definitive source of that kind of information |
| [16:03:14] | donEduardo: | tnx! |
| [16:03:33] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [16:03:46] | iamlindoro: | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1 . . . edchips.html |
| [16:04:10] | iamlindoro: | That chart seems to imply not (as it doesn't show it supporting any VDPAU featureset) |
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| [16:07:09] | donEduardo: | :( I cant even find the NVS 4600... |
| [16:07:18] | donEduardo: | thanks all the same |
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| [16:22:34] | iamlindoro: | I see TrashForward is back tonight... |
| [16:24:54] | warlord2: | iamlindoro: heh. i just noticed that, too. |
| [16:28:47] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, sphery, et al: Rumor has it Lost goes six minutes late tonight. Set recorders accordingly |
| [16:31:43] | warlord2: | Hmm, looks like my system is going to go from lost to FF on the same tuner.. So worst case I have to watch the end of lost at the start of FF |
| [16:32:05] | iamlindoro: | TrashForward is a recap show tonight |
| [16:32:13] | iamlindoro: | the real episode is on Thursday |
| [16:39:06] | warlord2: | Well, that makes life easier for me ;) |
| [16:39:22] | warlord2: | is there a way to set a longer tail-record for a single showing? |
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| [16:50:53] | donEduardo: | @warlord2: besides editing the mysql-db itself? :) |
| [16:51:08] | warlord2: | heh. yeah, besides that ;) |
| [16:51:59] | iamlindoro: | Editing the DB wouldn't do anything, since the current schedule is kept in memory, not the DB |
| [16:52:00] | donEduardo: | hm... good question.... |
| [16:52:22] | warlord2: | iamlindoro: there will be at least one reschedule before Lost records. |
| [16:53:06] | iamlindoro: | warlord2: Right, but the point is you can't edit one instance of a recording rule by editing the DB, as that information isnt' stored there |
| [16:53:21] | warlord2: | I know. |
| [16:53:27] | iamlindoro: | The rules themselves are in the DB, which programs are set to be recorded aren't |
| [16:53:45] | Beirdo: | yeah, sometimes I wish it was :) |
| [16:53:50] | iamlindoro: | and you can set a record-once rule for a specific instance of a show if you need it to go late |
| [16:54:31] | ** wagnerrp doesnt watch lost, sphery doesnt yet watch lost ** | |
| [16:54:39] | iamlindoro: | sphery does *record* lost |
| [16:54:43] | donEduardo: | @iamlindoro: yes, that's true. but you can do a manual entry into the record table for the episode that should be recorded longer |
| [16:55:10] | iamlindoro: | donEduardo: which is the same as setting a record-once rule properly, except more prone to breakage |
| [16:55:11] | donEduardo: | you end up with two recordings: one in the reccuring recording scheme, the other with your hand edited rule. |
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| [16:56:13] | warlord2: | I'll just reset it tomorrow. |
| [16:56:35] | donEduardo: | yes, but how can you do a record-once rule if you got already a series rule on the same show? |
| [16:57:02] | iamlindoro: | With a custom recording rule |
| [16:57:50] | donEduardo: | iamlindoro: true! i forgot about that |
| [16:57:59] | donEduardo: | :) |
| [16:58:04] | iamlindoro: | :) |
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| [17:03:40] | warlord2: | Okay, i just reverted back to 0.22 but now my frontend theme is all screwed up. The 'selected' icon is black. I cleaned out ~/.mythtv but it didn't seem to help. :( |
| [17:04:02] | kormoc: | pick a different theme |
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| [17:04:52] | iamlindoro: | and it's likely /usr/share/mythtv/themes that has trunk themes in it (usr/local as applicable) |
| [17:05:15] | warlord2: | iamlindoro: I did a "make uninstall" — there was no /usr/local/share/mythtv |
| [17:05:28] | iamlindoro: | You *do* have a share dir somewhere |
| [17:05:30] | iamlindoro: | myth can't run without it |
| [17:06:23] | iamlindoro: | /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes or /usr/share/mythtv/themes, or $PREFIX/share/mythtv/themes, dpeending on compile options |
| [17:06:41] | warlord2: | Changing theme didn't help. |
| [17:06:50] | iamlindoro: | because you changed from one trunk theme to another... |
| [17:07:04] | kormoc: | We have a make uninstall? |
| [17:07:15] | iamlindoro: | not one you can rely on to work |
| [17:07:31] | kormoc: | I thought we killed in in 0.19 cause it was so broken |
| [17:07:48] | warlord2: | Well, let me see what files it leaves behind |
| [17:08:55] | warlord2: | after make uninstall the only files left under /usr/local are lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/.. and share/applications/mimeinfo.cache |
| [17:09:22] | kormoc: | we don't create/use a mimeinfo.cache |
| [17:09:34] | kormoc: | nor install one |
| [17:09:54] | warlord2: | That's fine.. I didn't think that was from myth |
| [17:10:03] | warlord2: | but.. the themes are gone. |
| [17:10:17] | kormoc: | your error claims otherwise |
| [17:10:26] | warlord2: | Well, where else would it be stored? |
| [17:10:31] | warlord2: | On the backend? |
| [17:10:38] | iamlindoro: | iamlindoro: /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes or /usr/share/mythtv/themes, or $PREFIX/share/mythtv/themes, dpeending on compile options |
| [17:10:45] | iamlindoro: | The one and only install location for themes |
| [17:10:54] | iamlindoro: | without which myth cannot start-- so it's there. |
| [17:11:08] | iamlindoro: | $WhateverYouSetAsPrefix/share/mythtv/themes |
| [17:11:19] | warlord2: | I didn't set prefix, so it's using the default (/usr/local) |
| [17:11:33] | warlord2: | after make uninstall there is no /usr/local/share/mythtv |
| [17:11:44] | warlord2: | there is no /usr/share/mythtv |
| [17:12:01] | kormoc: | Welp |
| [17:12:04] | kormoc: | We can't help then |
| [17:12:20] | warlord2: | is there anywhere else it might be cached? |
| [17:17:18] | warlord2: | DAMMIT... Looks like my 0.22 svn checkout got broken. |
| [17:17:26] | kormoc: | language... |
| [17:17:29] | warlord2: | Sorry |
| [17:17:35] | warlord2: | darnit to heck? |
| [17:17:47] | sphery: | iamlindoro: thanks for the heads up |
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| [17:31:03] | shadash: | have you seen this system? http://www.foxconnchannel.com/product/Barebon . . . /index.html# |
| [17:31:12] | shadash: | looks amazing |
| [17:32:02] | wagnerrp: | looks like any other ION system |
| [17:32:08] | iamlindoro: | shadash: seems identical to the other ION systems? |
| [17:32:23] | shadash: | smaller and cooler |
| [17:32:51] | shadash: | has an optional plugin dvd writer drive |
| [17:33:06] | wagnerrp: | cooler how? it runs the same exact hardware, at the same exact power requirements |
| [17:33:28] | iamlindoro: | and the same size as many of the ION boxes |
| [17:33:52] | iamlindoro: | and by optional DVD writer, that's just a USB dvd writer as you can use for any ION box? |
| [17:33:54] | sid3windr: | perhaps cooler as in cooler, not as in less hot |
| [17:33:54] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [17:33:57] | shadash: | well maybe I'm behind the times. it looks neat to me |
| [17:34:15] | Beirdo: | I like my fitpc2. just wait until it works for mythfrontend :) |
| [17:34:16] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:34:20] | sid3windr: | but I don't see much extraspeshul about it indeed |
| [17:34:28] | wagnerrp: | neat? sure... but dont be fooled that its anything new |
| [17:34:30] | shadash: | does not seem to have bluetooth |
| [17:34:47] | Beirdo: | who needs bluetooth for myth? |
| [17:35:03] | wagnerrp: | maybe if you want a keyboard for web use? |
| [17:35:04] | highzeth: | keyboard |
| [17:35:12] | shadash: | wireless game controllers |
| [17:35:19] | Beirdo: | so get a USB bluetooth dongle |
| [17:35:20] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [17:35:25] | kormoc: | now getting http://www.marvell.com/platforms/ to work as a frontend would be pretty slick |
| [17:35:26] | wagnerrp: | youre not going to be doing any real gaming on this |
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| [17:36:03] | Beirdo: | kormoc: put down the bong :) |
| [17:36:07] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [17:36:10] | wagnerrp: | most recent computer games want some CPU power... and some GPU power |
| [17:36:22] | kormoc: | It's got a gigahertz class processor and no video card! We can do it! :P |
| [17:36:57] | wagnerrp: | why does it seem that the embedded market is the only one left still clammering on about clock rate? |
| [17:37:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:37:20] | wagnerrp: | 'gigahertz class' means exactly NOTHING |
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| [17:37:40] | ** kormoc waits for the ultrahertz ** | |
| [17:37:44] | Beirdo: | means it's not megahertz-class... so not a PC-AT |
| [17:37:54] | wagnerrp: | i bet those things are still outclassed by a mid-90s Alpha |
| [17:38:05] | sid3windr: | ultrahertz+1 |
| [17:38:31] | wagnerrp: | ill make you ultrahertz |
| [17:38:35] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:38:41] | Beirdo: | now what would be cool... |
| [17:38:59] | Beirdo: | http://www.marvell.com/platforms/digital_photo_frames.html |
| [17:39:06] | Beirdo: | get a frontend running on THAT :) |
| [17:39:58] | kormoc: | or even playback |
| [17:40:05] | kormoc: | toss a few up as slave displays |
| [17:40:09] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [17:40:10] | iamlindoro: | Oh french translation team... you are so not a french theming team |
| [17:40:12] | iamlindoro: | http://www.weplug.com/images_1/5c545647213955 . . . 16165628.png |
| [17:40:15] | iamlindoro: | Looks awesome, thanks |
| [17:40:40] | iamlindoro: | these being the proposed "fixes" to Arclight from the french translator |
| [17:40:53] | kormoc: | huh |
| [17:41:10] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: they moved the text out off the side bar |
| [17:41:26] | iamlindoro: | and stretched the wigets so that they hang off like a fat girl's love handles |
| [17:41:50] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:41:55] | Beirdo: | those can be fun |
| [17:41:59] | Beirdo: | never mind. |
| [17:42:20] | sid3windr: | lol |
| [17:42:26] | warlord2: | quick mythweb question: If I click "never record" on an upcoming recording it will just never record that one episode (but will continue to record other eps), right? |
| [17:42:38] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [17:42:39] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [17:42:44] | kormoc: | in theory |
| [17:42:52] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:43:03] | shadash: | bluetooth controller howto http://www.ppl-pilot.com/ |
| [17:43:10] | Beirdo: | I can't believe I typed in that entire png address |
| [17:43:15] | shadash: | that's what I want to do |
| [17:43:24] | kormoc: | shadash: so do it? |
| [17:43:26] | Beirdo: | go for it, have fun |
| [17:43:41] | Beirdo: | we give you permission. :) |
| [17:43:46] | iamlindoro: | have fun storming the castle! |
| [17:44:34] | shadash: | I'm surprised nobody is making a bluetooth for sale solution like that |
| [17:44:42] | warlord2: | FYI, after fixing my svn checkout and rebuilding/reinstalling 0.22, themes are working again. Sheesh, I wonder how my themes dir got messed up (whereas none of my others did) |
| [17:44:51] | sid3windr: | I'm still waiting for a 10" touchscreen with displayport |
| [17:45:11] | wagnerrp: | would displayport support the touch interface directly? |
| [17:45:18] | kormoc: | nopers |
| [17:45:19] | Beirdo: | shadash: why would ANYONE waste their money trying to sell ancient technology retrofitted to bluetooth? |
| [17:45:26] | sid3windr: | err |
| [17:45:30] | shadash: | becasue it's awesome |
| [17:45:31] | sid3windr: | sorry, I did not mean displayport, but displaylink |
| [17:45:39] | Beirdo: | well, go for it. |
| [17:45:44] | Beirdo: | you might sell 2 or 3 a year |
| [17:45:45] | shadash: | my wife only like to play old nes/snes games |
| [17:45:49] | shadash: | with her friends |
| [17:46:05] | sid3windr: | displaylink can carry the touch usb |
| [17:46:05] | kormoc: | %s/friends/friend/ |
| [17:46:07] | sid3windr: | and the power |
| [17:46:12] | sid3windr: | so that's one lead to a shivaplug |
| [17:46:20] | sid3windr: | and you have home (entertainment) control center |
| [17:46:21] | sid3windr: | ;) |
| [17:47:00] | sid3windr: | someone IS selling usb nes gamepads btw |
| [17:47:01] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [17:47:08] | sid3windr: | I actually bought 2 nintendo<>usb adapters :> |
| [17:47:23] | shadash: | usb is not bluetooth |
| [17:47:30] | sid3windr: | true that |
| [17:47:33] | sid3windr: | just saying ;) |
| [17:47:49] | Beirdo: | just buy a PS3 |
| [17:47:52] | Beirdo: | bah |
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| [17:48:03] | kormoc: | the half an hour untangling the controllers is part of the experience! |
| [17:48:12] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:48:18] | Beirdo: | and the 30s retangling them |
| [17:48:25] | wagnerrp: | doesnt the wii already have wireless controllers? why do you need to build your own |
| [17:48:37] | Beirdo: | because it's "fun" |
| [17:48:50] | Beirdo: | geeks will be geeks :) |
| [17:48:55] | shadash: | I'm also looking at this... http://www.pabr.org/sixlinux/sixlinux.en.html |
| [17:49:01] | sid3windr: | different controller, wagnerrp :) |
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| [17:56:40] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: sure, but you plug the 'classic' controller into the wiimote, and then its functional and detached from the console as well |
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| [17:59:06] | sid3windr: | yup |
| [17:59:28] | sid3windr: | what I found a bit silly about the xbox360 at least |
| [17:59:38] | sid3windr: | it needs a dongle for the guitar hero guitar |
| [17:59:48] | sid3windr: | .. while the controllers themselves are wireless without dongle |
| [18:00:03] | wagnerrp: | because microsoft wont open up their wireless protocol |
| [18:00:17] | wagnerrp: | lest someone undercut their prices |
| [18:00:34] | wagnerrp: | have to keep a stranglehold on that precious accessory market |
| [18:01:34] | tank-man: | ive read logitech wanted to make a steering wheel for xbox360 but MS said no, also to the x-arcade joystick makers |
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| [18:03:33] | sid3windr: | and the wired protocol is "just usb hid" ? |
| [18:03:59] | sid3windr: | does the playstation guitar have built in wireless or also a dongle? |
| [18:04:26] | [Peter]: | dongle |
| [18:04:35] | sid3windr: | so same problem there? |
| [18:04:37] | sid3windr: | yay for nintendo then |
| [18:04:43] | sid3windr: | plug wiimote into guitar |
| [18:04:50] | [Peter]: | no, the PS3 is market is pretty open |
| [18:04:52] | sid3windr: | instant accelerometer built in |
| [18:05:03] | sid3windr: | mm :) |
| [18:05:16] | [Peter]: | but PS3 use bluetooth, I guess they wanted to use the same guitar |
| [18:05:33] | [Peter]: | as the xbox |
| [18:05:38] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [18:06:23] | Josh``: | USB bluetooth adapter. |
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| [18:10:21] | noaXess_kubuntu: | hello |
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| [18:11:40] | jolaren: | Ive activated the samba sharing in my network |
| [18:11:42] | jolaren: | but I cant see it |
| [18:11:42] | noaXess_kubuntu: | maybe someone can help.. on channel vox, superrtl i get "on known multiplex..." if i switch between this two channels in livetv |
| [18:12:03] | Beirdo: | so bored |
| [18:12:04] | kormoc: | jolaren: great, try #samba or #distro or what not |
| [18:12:13] | jolaren: | Soz =) |
| [18:12:20] | jolaren: | thought this was mythbuntu |
| [18:12:23] | jolaren: | aliases -.- |
| [18:12:37] | iamlindoro: | noaXess_kubuntu: what about it? |
| [18:13:51] | noaXess_kubuntu: | iamlindoro: the problem is not livetv.. it is sheduled recording on this channels... i can only record, if i'm on that channel in livetv an press R to record.. then it works.. but if i shedule a recording on that channel it records but i can't watch the recording.. |
| [18:14:29] | iamlindoro: | would need to see log output from an attempt to watch one of the recordings |
| [18:14:31] | tank-man: | maybe your filter view is limited to livetv |
| [18:15:09] | iamlindoro: | unless, as tank-man mentions, it's just that you're not seeing the recording in the list? |
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| [18:16:29] | noaXess_kubuntu: | i see the recording in the list.. but if i atch i get this in logs..... just a moment .) |
| [18:17:48] | noaXess_kubuntu: | on frontend: 2010-03–16 19:17:15.598 PlaybackBox::play(): Error, myth://172.16.10.208:6543/23353_20100316191700.mpg file not found |
| [18:18:26] | noaXess_kubuntu: | on backend: 2010-03–16 19:18:04.526 ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '23353_20100316191700.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found. |
| [18:18:28] | noaXess_kubuntu: | 2010-03–16 19:18:04.528 ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '23353_20100316191700.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found. |
| [18:18:50] | iamlindoro: | Excerpting lines from logs helps no-one |
| [18:18:58] | iamlindoro: | Especially as neither of those is relevant |
| [18:19:04] | noaXess_kubuntu: | and i can't find the file 23353_20100316191700.mpg in the storage where the recording should be.. |
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| [18:19:09] | iamlindoro: | exactly |
| [18:19:15] | iamlindoro: | the real errors are found at recording time |
| [18:19:18] | noaXess_kubuntu: | on all other channels i can record without problems, also sheduled recording.. |
| [18:19:21] | tank-man: | so it is confirmed you can not find the files :) |
| [18:19:25] | noaXess_kubuntu: | iamlindoro: ok... wait |
| [18:19:32] | iamlindoro: | please don't excerpt |
| [18:19:42] | iamlindoro: | pastebin the whole backend log, including an attempt to record from the channel |
| [18:23:44] | noaXess_kubuntu: | iamlindoro: trying..but now on that show i have an S, and nothing happends if i press R... |
| [18:27:05] | noaXess_kubuntu: | iamlindoro: so http://paste.ubuntu.com/396296/ thats are backend and frontend logs, if i start a record on that channel.. |
| [18:28:30] | noaXess_kubuntu: | iamlindoro: and that are the logs if i want watch it.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/396300/ |
| [18:31:09] | noaXess_kubuntu: | iamlindoro: if found this about multiplexing.. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/record_multiple_ch . . . multiplex... need i really delete all cards an reconfigure them? |
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| [19:03:30] | Josh``: | What is cannot find -lGLU |
| [19:03:43] | Josh``: | Not sure what it's referring to. |
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| [19:04:53] | Josh``: | ahh, apparently GLU isnt supplied by the nvidia drivers |
| [19:06:19] | wagnerrp: | GLU? |
| [19:06:44] | Josh``: | Yeah, make is failing with: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGLU |
| [19:07:17] | wagnerrp: | that should be provided by any proper Xorg install |
| [19:07:41] | Josh``: | I'm reading it's supplied by mesa |
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| [19:10:04] | Josh``: | doing some checking |
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| [19:12:50] | Josh``: | Think I found the problem with the GLU, but now have a bigger problem.. pastebinning |
| [19:13:22] | Josh``: | http://pastebin.ca/1842692 |
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| [19:21:08] | Beirdo: | too bad mplayer doesn't present an API |
| [19:25:15] | kormoc: | Josh``: your QT was compiled without opengl support |
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| [19:25:30] | Josh``: | kormoc, hmm. |
| [19:25:42] | Josh``: | kormoc, it's a debian package, I'll check with their maintainer |
| [19:25:57] | Beirdo: | ummm |
| [19:26:10] | Beirdo: | apt-cache search opengl | grep qt |
| [19:26:14] | Beirdo: | start with that |
| [19:27:56] | Beirdo: | hmmm.. libqt4-opengl-dev and libqt4-opengl |
| [19:28:26] | ** Beirdo reaches for the trout ** | |
| [19:28:36] | ** Josh`` hides ** | |
| [19:28:51] | Beirdo: | !trout Josh`` apt is your friend |
| [19:28:51] | ** MythLogBot slaps Josh`` with a apt is your friend trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [19:28:56] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:29:31] | Beirdo: | seriously though, apt-search will find you lots of cool stuff. Granted, I did that on ubuntu, but I'm sure debian will be the same |
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| [19:29:47] | Josh``: | I think debian's version is apt-cache |
| [19:29:54] | Josh``: | and I feel apt-cache iis lacking some "features" |
| [19:30:17] | Beirdo: | argh, yeah apt-cache. read the command line above, not my brain fart |
| [19:30:18] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [19:31:31] | Beirdo: | mmm, Starbucks French Roast |
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| [19:40:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:40:45] | Beirdo: | frig. |
| [19:41:00] | wagnerrp: | frig? |
| [19:41:13] | Beirdo: | so it looks like my perl-wrapped mplayer is STILL the best way to be capturing my audio streams |
| [19:41:30] | wagnerrp: | mplayer will capture to files? |
| [19:41:31] | Beirdo: | yeah, like a big ship :) |
| [19:41:37] | Beirdo: | um, yes :) |
| [19:41:39] | Beirdo: | in PCM |
| [19:41:52] | Beirdo: | which I then encode with LAME |
| [19:41:54] | wagnerrp: | some 'audio output' method? dump to disk |
| [19:41:59] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [19:42:10] | wagnerrp: | i knew mencoder would do that, didnt think mplayer would |
| [19:42:27] | Beirdo: | it does :) I've been doing it for years :) |
| [19:42:46] | wagnerrp: | anyway, capturing from what? |
| [19:42:51] | Beirdo: | good for timeshifting radio off radio streaming sites |
| [19:42:57] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [19:43:03] | Beirdo: | to listen on my iPhone/iPod while commuting |
| [19:43:35] | Beirdo: | was hoping that there'd be a more elegant way by now |
| [19:43:49] | Beirdo: | but no :) My 5 year old solution still seems to be the best |
| [19:44:04] | wagnerrp: | so sphery, cant bring yourself to put huge amounts of bash in contrib? |
| [19:44:16] | ** Beirdo bashes contrib ** | |
| [19:44:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: have you seen the script? |
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| [19:45:11] | wagnerrp: | i linked you to a copy a couple nights back |
| [19:45:16] | sphery: | regardless, I'd have given the same answer for anything that was proposed for inclusion in contrib |
| [19:45:21] | Beirdo: | just tell the author you will *consider* it... after 0.23 |
| [19:45:26] | Beirdo: | and then leave it |
| [19:45:34] | Hiisty: | damn that "kill dash nine" song was good |
| [19:45:35] | sphery: | I just closed it and recommended the wiki |
| [19:45:41] | sphery: | that's my new response for contrib |
| [19:45:43] | Beirdo: | that works too :) |
| [19:45:45] | Hiisty: | i had already forgot it |
| [19:45:59] | sphery: | once things go in contrib, users expect it to work--and we have plenty that doesn't in there |
| [19:46:08] | sphery: | so, I'd rather keep stuff out--especially hacks |
| [19:46:16] | Beirdo: | having contrib scripts is fine, but having it in the official repo makes us maintain it |
| [19:46:23] | Beirdo: | which is not so fine |
| [19:46:37] | sphery: | and if something provides useful functionality, it can be vetted in the wiki, the--ideally--implemented properly in MythTV proper, or at the worst case, stuck in contrib |
| [19:46:37] | wagnerrp: | here we go... http://code.google.com/p/mythicallibrarian/downloads/list |
| [19:46:49] | sphery: | Beirdo: exactly |
| [19:47:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, iamlindoro quoted some lines for me |
| [19:47:23] | Beirdo: | we have enough dead code to fix already, thanks |
| [19:47:43] | sphery: | it's all Schedules-Direct centric code |
| [19:47:57] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:48:06] | Beirdo: | Another thing I wish... |
| [19:48:23] | Beirdo: | wish publicradiofan.com had an API so I wouldn't have to scrape it |
| [19:48:45] | Beirdo: | I *might* just propose to the owner that I'll make him one at some point |
| [19:48:53] | sphery: | nice |
| [19:48:57] | Beirdo: | present me XML or JSON, thanks. |
| [19:49:00] | sphery: | that's a /great/ way of getting things done |
| [19:49:07] | wagnerrp: | sphery: actually, the only site it accesses directly is thetvdb.com |
| [19:49:11] | Beirdo: | yeah, it usually is :) |
| [19:49:29] | Beirdo: | that's where I get scheduling and channel info for my streaming radio stuff |
| [19:49:31] | wagnerrp: | the only things 'bad' it does is renaming recordings, and not reading the config.xml |
| [19:49:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but it decides if something is a TV show or movie or whatever based on the format of the programid |
| [19:49:52] | sphery: | which works for SD, but not necessarily elsewhere |
| [19:49:53] | kmdm: | Hey all :) Don't suppose when ripping a dvd on a FE there's a way to get mythtv to "upload" it to the MBE's (Video) storage group ? At the moment it sits in mythdvd.LocalRipDirectory (it wouldn't rip at all without defining that...) |
| [19:49:59] | wagnerrp: | ah, right |
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| [19:50:19] | Beirdo: | kmdm. NFS |
| [19:50:27] | sphery: | kmdm: set your rip directory to an NFS-mounted dir from the backend |
| [19:50:32] | wagnerrp: | kmdm: at the moment, you can only upload to the root path of a storage group |
| [19:50:35] | sphery: | which is to say: kmdm: NFS |
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| [19:50:37] | Beirdo: | and I don't mean Need For Speed, which is also cool |
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| [19:50:45] | kmdm: | hehe |
| [19:51:01] | wagnerrp: | so no one has bothered rewriting the dvd ripping code to use that capacity |
| [19:51:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and only by writing code to do so, right (granted, not much if you use the Python bindings, but still...) |
| [19:51:28] | Beirdo: | heh, another thing for the long todo list? |
| [19:51:51] | ** wagnerrp waits excitedly for transcoding and SBEs to no longer need NFS access ** | |
| [19:52:56] | kmdm: | ah ok, fair enough :) was thinking there might be a cleverer way than NFS :) |
| [19:53:06] | wagnerrp: | not at current, no |
| [19:53:33] | kmdm: | btw does myth support m4v files (non-drm'd ones)? jamu ignores them as being invalid video files and scan for changes doesn't see them so I'm guessing not ;) |
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| [19:54:14] | wagnerrp: | there is no such thing as 'm4v' |
| [19:54:45] | wagnerrp: | 'm4v' is just a standard mpeg4 container, renamed from the proper 'mp4' extension |
| [19:54:59] | kmdm: | aha |
| [19:55:01] | wagnerrp: | the standard does not specify any 'm4v' or 'm4a' extensions, those are just things apple uses |
| [19:55:18] | Beirdo: | apple, schmapple |
| [19:55:24] | ** kmdm grins ** | |
| [19:55:30] | kmdm: | Got them from an Apple user |
| [19:55:32] | wagnerrp: | if mythvideo currently does not recognize them, either rename them to mp4, or add a new extension to the file types in the mythvideo setup |
| [19:55:47] | wagnerrp: | after which both mythvideo and jamu will pick them up in scans |
| [19:56:33] | sphery: | "proper" extension? Extensions are a hold-back from broken OSs. |
| [19:57:03] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: Yeah, because on Unix we have the brilliance that was "file". ;-) |
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| [19:57:14] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: heh |
| [19:58:03] | devinheitmueller: | Not quite as cracked as the Macintosh resource fork, but almost as basd. |
| [19:58:05] | devinheitmueller: | bad. |
| [19:58:38] | kmdm: | annoyingly my brain engaged AFTER I asked that m4v question and I switched terminals to run file *sigh* ;) |
| [19:58:51] | wagnerrp: | i imagine its a lot faster to just get an extension out of the file system tables, than read the first couple bytes of each file |
| [19:59:04] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: uh, yeah. |
| [19:59:23] | devinheitmueller: | It's almost like they separated out the metadata for a reason. |
| [20:00:51] | wagnerrp: | shame none of the 'database file systems' ever took off |
| [20:01:37] | kormoc: | just get folks to agree to use extended attributes and all will be ell |
| [20:01:40] | kormoc: | *well |
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| [20:03:48] | sphery: | why use extended attributes when we can continue using the anachronistic approach that made sense in 1980? |
| [20:05:23] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [20:05:30] | Josh``: | Call it a throwback to the gates generation |
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| [20:07:48] | antlarr: | justinh: sorry, I was away, and I just saw it now |
| [20:14:09] | hpeter: | hi |
| [20:14:46] | hpeter: | mythtv wants to upgrade my database for the video schematas from 1014 to 1028 |
| [20:15:07] | wagnerrp: | upgrading to 0.22? |
| [20:15:09] | hpeter: | anyone get past this message? its shown over and over |
| [20:15:23] | hpeter: | i'm already on 0.22 |
| [20:15:34] | wagnerrp: | not if youre running 1014 |
| [20:15:48] | wagnerrp: | you _just_ upgraded to 0.22 |
| [20:16:00] | hpeter: | nope upgraded months ago |
| [20:16:02] | wagnerrp: | and you have not yet successfully run the frontend to upgrade mythvideo |
| [20:16:33] | hpeter: | it ran for months now, live-tv, videos everything |
| [20:16:55] | hpeter: | could an old client produces this? |
| [20:17:10] | wagnerrp: | you cant run old clients |
| [20:17:17] | wagnerrp: | the backend will refuse to let them connect |
| [20:17:27] | wagnerrp: | and they should refuse to use a database newer than itself |
| [20:17:39] | hpeter: | ok, so any way to reenforce the update? |
| [20:17:57] | wagnerrp: | should be figuring out what caused the update first |
| [20:18:49] | hpeter: | hmm live-tv works but videos aren't displayed at all |
| [20:19:12] | wagnerrp: | because mythvideo was not initialized, because youre running an old database that could not be updated due to bad data |
| [20:20:07] | hpeter: | yeah seems to be the case, but upgrade doesn't do anything – watching the backend-log |
| [20:20:16] | wagnerrp: | frontend log |
| [20:20:25] | wagnerrp: | its the frontend that is failing to upgrade the database |
| [20:20:37] | wagnerrp: | frontend plugins manage their own tables |
| [20:20:40] | hpeter: | checking |
| [20:20:48] | wagnerrp: | the backend only manages the primary mythtv schema |
| [20:23:30] | hpeter: | getting closer... |
| [20:23:32] | hpeter: | Driver error was [2/1050]: QMYSQL3: Unable to execute statement, Database error was: Table 'videocast' already exists |
| [20:23:46] | hpeter: | but wasn't videocast introduced with 0.22? |
| [20:24:13] | wagnerrp: | not that i recall |
| [20:26:18] | hpeter: | so videocast already exists with about 5500 entries |
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| [20:26:28] | wagnerrp: | a list of actors |
| [20:26:37] | hpeter: | is there a was to force the upgrade without removing the table? |
| [20:26:58] | hpeter: | way |
| [20:27:05] | crzwll: | Is anyone from Canada that can help me out? |
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| [20:27:11] | wagnerrp: | are you positive youve used mythvideo in 0.22 before? |
| [20:27:36] | Beirdo: | crzwll: what does it matter where we are from? |
| [20:27:39] | kormoc: | crzwll: I don't think anyone is a Canadian Psychic in here |
| [20:27:55] | hpeter: | pretty sure i know the protocol warnings quite good |
| [20:28:13] | wagnerrp: | what is the value of 'mythvideo.DBSchemaVer' in the settings table? |
| [20:29:55] | hpeter: | wagnerrp: 1014 |
| [20:30:14] | hpeter: | could the mythbuntu auto-builds messed this up? |
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| [20:34:12] | hpeter: | hmm changed to 1028 everything back to normal(?) |
| [20:34:56] | hpeter: | wagnerrp: thanx for pointing out |
| [20:36:35] | RDV_Linux: | crzwll: Why do not just ask your question? |
| [20:36:55] | sphery: | hpeter: you can't just change DB schema ver variables |
| [20:37:00] | sphery: | you just created a time bomb |
| [20:37:06] | sphery: | next upgrade will almost definitely fail |
| [20:37:21] | sphery: | not to mention all the things in MV that rely on the upgrades between 1014 and 1028 |
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| [20:38:08] | wagnerrp: | hpeter: if your schema is actually at 1014, that means you have not run mythvideo under 0.22 |
| [20:38:14] | hpeter: | sphery: so is there a way to force an upgrade, even when Database error was: Table 'videocast' already exists |
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| [20:38:47] | sphery: | hpeter: the best thing to do is: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407793#407793 |
| [20:38:54] | sphery: | i.e. your schema was already broken |
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| [20:38:57] | hpeter: | i upgrade the whole machine to mythbuntu 9.10 when it came out |
| [20:39:03] | sphery: | so don't trust it or any of its data |
| [20:39:17] | sphery: | and with the tools in 0.22--like Jamu--you can easily recreate all the metadata |
| [20:39:41] | sphery: | any other solution and you're likely to have a broken DB/MythVideo |
| [20:40:31] | hpeter: | sphery: so you'r advice is to delete table 'videocasts' to make sure the upgrade will work? |
| [20:40:45] | wagnerrp: | no, the advice is to delete ALL mythvideo tables |
| [20:40:48] | wagnerrp: | and start from scratch |
| [20:40:48] | sphery: | hpeter: no, my advice is to do exactly as I posted on that link |
| [20:40:54] | sphery: | delete the entire MythVideo schema |
| [20:41:40] | sphery: | if you copy/paste from that post, you may have to remove the space that the stupid HTML will likely put in after EOF |
| [20:41:50] | sphery: | otherwise it won't submit the here doc |
| [20:41:59] | hpeter: | so the reason for this is that the upgrade didn't run in the first place when i upgraded to 0.22? |
| [20:42:07] | sphery: | or just copy everything but the EOF, then on the next blank line, type EOF<Enter> |
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| [20:42:25] | wagnerrp: | hpeter: for some reason, you are caught in a middle ground |
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| [20:42:34] | sphery: | Each plugin has its own DB schema upgrade, which can succeed or fail independently of all other schema upgrades |
| [20:42:40] | sphery: | so MythTV upgrade succeeded. |
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| [20:42:43] | wagnerrp: | the table has been created, but the schema version was not updated to match |
| [20:42:50] | wagnerrp: | so we have no idea in what state your database is |
| [20:43:00] | sphery: | Other plugin upgrades likely succeeded (including, probably, MythMusic--the only other one that prompts for the upgrade) |
| [20:43:10] | sphery: | but MythVideo upgrade failed because your schema was broken |
| [20:43:29] | wagnerrp: | and unless you are skilled in sql, and can walk through the database update code to figure out where you are, and then walk your database forward manually |
| [20:43:40] | wagnerrp: | the only way to ensure consistency is to flush and restart |
| [20:43:43] | sphery: | because it's broken--and we don't know all the ways it's broken, how long it's been broken, how much of the data in it is broken, ...--the best thing to do is to start over |
| [20:43:53] | Beirdo: | OK, what the heck? |
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| [20:44:00] | sphery: | even walking DB forward manually, you likely have tons of broken data |
| [20:44:01] | Beirdo: | my mouse stopped working. |
| [20:44:16] | sphery: | because you've been using a broken schema with 0.21-fixes |
| [20:44:28] | Beirdo: | the light is on, but the computer ignores it... tried replugging, still doing nothing... but the trackpad is OK |
| [20:44:33] | sphery: | Beirdo: guess that means you're stuck just talking in here (assuming mouse focus :) |
| [20:44:36] | Beirdo: | stupid MS optical mouse |
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| [20:44:48] | hpeter: | wagnerrp, sphery thanx for the advice |
| [20:44:49] | sphery: | My MS optical mice all send random wheel events |
| [20:45:07] | hpeter: | i think i'll know what i do next weekend ... |
| [20:45:09] | sphery: | hpeter: if you do the drops in that post to reset your schema, all will work |
| [20:45:16] | Beirdo: | friggin Windoze |
| [20:45:20] | sphery: | it won't have any effects outside of MythVideo |
| [20:45:25] | sphery: | and MythVideo data is easy to recreate |
| [20:45:32] | sphery: | there's nothing in the DB that's not recreatable |
| [20:45:51] | wagnerrp: | hpeter: check out jamu, you do a non-interactive update to grab whatever data it can find on its own |
| [20:45:52] | sphery: | hpeter: if you do anything else, please don't ever report any bugs in MythVideo |
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| [20:46:12] | wagnerrp: | and then you do an interactive update, to fill in the blanks on videos it either couldnt find, or had multiple responses to the search |
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| [20:46:32] | wagnerrp: | or just use the 'w' key in mythfrontend and do it manually |
| [20:46:37] | hpeter: | i already played with jamu, did work for me |
| [20:47:01] | wagnerrp: | either way, it shouldnt take more than an hour to refresh your entire database |
| [20:47:03] | hpeter: | i will only report bugs that i'm sure of :) that's why i came here |
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| [20:47:39] | wagnerrp: | did jamu even work with the base 0.21 schema? |
| [20:48:05] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think that got released until iamlindoro had made a number of changes in mythvideo |
| [20:48:06] | hpeter: | in 0.21 i think there was just the imdb-script |
| [20:48:19] | hpeter: | i haven't seen it before |
| [20:48:42] | wagnerrp: | im pretty sure i added in schema checks into the python bindings for 0.22 |
| [20:48:57] | wagnerrp: | such that the bindings (and subsequently jamu) would not work without a properly updated schema |
| [20:50:18] | Beirdo: | binding a python is a good idea. sneaky snakes. |
| [20:50:23] | hpeter: | jamu did seem to work when/after i upgraded |
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| [20:54:25] | Beirdo: | unplug the USB, replug... now it likes me |
| [20:54:29] | Beirdo: | stupid mouse |
| [20:54:32] | sphery: | hpeter: I just meant that any bugs you see if you don't let MythVideo recreate the entire schema are likely due to the fact that you have a borked schema |
| [20:55:05] | sphery: | hpeter: asking in here about this was good (and appreciated)... Just emphasising just how important it is to have your DB in the right shape... :) |
| [20:55:18] | sphery: | If it's not, MythVideo won't work properly |
| [20:59:24] | wagnerrp: | has the register been known to fabricate articles? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/16/jobcentre_jedi/ |
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| [21:01:15] | hpeter: | sphery: ... you guys convinced me to fix it now :) |
| [21:04:42] | sphery: | hpeter: good. it's worth the effort in the end |
| [21:11:05] | wagnerrp: | hpeter: honestly, your mythvideo database should probably be flushed anyway for 0.22 |
| [21:11:23] | wagnerrp: | it lets the scanner properly parse out filename, and allow tv show metadata to work |
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| [21:11:47] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v gbee | |
| [21:12:38] | hpeter: | wagnerrp: i'm curious for the result ... jamu already running |
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| [21:15:10] | wagnerrp: | wow |
| [21:15:21] | wagnerrp: | 2TB WD Green for $125 after rebate |
| [21:15:54] | Beirdo: | too bad it's WD |
| [21:16:00] | Beirdo: | and a rebate :) |
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| [21:16:11] | wagnerrp: | well, its $140 pre-rebate |
| [21:16:15] | wagnerrp: | still a good price |
| [21:16:25] | wagnerrp: | whats wrong with WD? |
| [21:16:44] | hpeter: | yes whats wrong with wd? |
| [21:16:52] | gbee: | heh, I really don't get why bittorrent is even used for legal stuff, every single time I've tried downloading something it's much slower than a direct download from a local mirror and the transfer constantly dies until I restart the client |
| [21:17:00] | gbee: | wagnerrp: it's not Samsung? |
| [21:17:28] | wagnerrp: | gbee: its cheaper to provide a bittorrent tracker than an official download |
| [21:18:23] | wagnerrp: | and for large things like ISOs, or widely distributed things like popular game patches, it makes a big difference |
| [21:18:25] | gbee: | sure, but many provide both e.g. distros, so why does anyone choose the slower and unstable option? |
| [21:19:22] | wagnerrp: | ive seen distros that offer basic CDs direct, but make their bootable DVDs, with a complete package tree, only available over bittorrent |
| [21:19:51] | gbee: | I'm trying to grab a 3.6GB archive (SXSW free tracks), started it early this morning, and it's not even 30% complete, by comparison that's a ~2hr download from a stable mirror |
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| [21:23:06] | ** wagnerrp watches as the torrent hits his self imposed bandwidth caps (400KBps) ** | |
| [21:23:21] | wagnerrp: | 3 hours to download |
| [21:23:45] | gbee: | theoretically it's actually under a 1hr download ... but real world conditions etc |
| [21:24:13] | ** gbee tries to find the original mirror url ** | |
| [21:24:23] | clever: | gbee: ive found ubuntu cd images always download insanely fast on torrents |
| [21:25:33] | wagnerrp: | damn flaky modem |
| [21:25:34] | ** wagnerrp reboots modem, and resets self imposed cap to 325KBps ** | |
| [21:25:36] | wagnerrp: | i can download full speed off direct sites |
| [21:25:50] | wagnerrp: | but for some reason, bittorrent always kills my modem |
| [21:26:17] | clever: | wagnerrp: could be the conntrack table, but thats nat not modem |
| [21:26:27] | wagnerrp: | full speed being ~550KBps |
| [21:26:43] | wagnerrp: | clever: i need to actually reboot the modem, just a basic retrain doesnt fix things |
| [21:26:54] | wagnerrp: | and rebooting it instantly fixes the problem |
| [21:27:14] | clever: | my own modem randomly fails and looses all upload bandwidth for ~20 seconds at a time |
| [21:27:30] | wagnerrp: | this is permanent |
| [21:27:33] | clever: | generaly, linux doesnt notice the packet loss and recovers after a delay |
| [21:27:46] | clever: | windows drops every connection, the instant things recover!! |
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| [21:31:38] | clever: | wagnerrp: do you know much about the ATM interface? |
| [21:31:48] | jolaren: | What are like the minimum requirments for a frontend? |
| [21:32:19] | clever: | jolaren: ive run it before on a 400mhz P2, but it all depends on if you want HD or SD and some other things |
| [21:32:38] | wagnerrp: | not really |
| [21:32:39] | jolaren: | clever, SD |
| [21:32:54] | wagnerrp: | specifically what SD? |
| [21:33:03] | jolaren: | I found an old P3 800 mhz and 256 mb ram |
| [21:33:07] | jolaren: | just wondered if it'd do |
| [21:33:19] | clever: | sounds like its got double the power i used |
| [21:33:24] | wagnerrp: | mjpeg? encoded mpeg2? digital mpeg2? mpeg4? h264? |
| [21:33:39] | jolaren: | it''s dvb-t so i guess digital mpeg2 |
| [21:33:44] | clever: | mpeg2 pvr150 is what i used |
| [21:33:56] | wagnerrp: | and probably fairly low bitrate, you should be fine |
| [21:34:04] | wagnerrp: | assuming you can get Xv working on whatever video card it has |
| [21:34:32] | clever: | my P2 has working xv, and the damn sound card is isa, lol |
| [21:34:41] | gbee: | ahh forget it, who actually has time to listen to over 1000 mp3s? It's not like I'm going to like the vast majority anyway ... |
| [21:35:50] | kormoc: | is there a way to force "deleted" recordings to expire? I seem to recall there was |
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| [21:36:23] | gbee: | run out of space? |
| [21:36:30] | kormoc: | heh |
| [21:37:07] | clever: | kormoc: switch the playback box to that rec group and start hitting delete |
| [21:37:10] | gbee: | kormoc: I'm not sure if you can force them to expire, but iirc deleting them again removes them completely |
| [21:37:19] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [21:37:28] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [21:37:54] | gbee: | don't hold me to that, I don't use the feature and I wasn't involved in writing it |
| [21:38:18] | sphery: | kormoc: yes |
| [21:38:21] | clever: | gbee: thats exactly what i do and it works fine for me |
| [21:38:53] | sphery: | kormoc: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . _recgroup.pl |
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| [21:38:58] | kormoc: | there we go! |
| [21:39:09] | kormoc: | Thanks Mr. sphery |
| [21:39:16] | sphery: | kormoc: there's a --force flag for delete even if the file's missing |
| [21:39:35] | sphery: | (nice way to delete a bunch of non-existent recordings at a time--just throw them all in Deleted and then use that) |
| [21:39:46] | sphery: | but if you have files, just run without the arg |
| [21:39:53] | Josh``: | What should my /proc/sys/dev/hpet/max-user-freq preferably be set to? |
| [21:39:57] | sphery: | gbee's approach works, too |
| [21:40:03] | kormoc: | Josh``: default |
| [21:40:13] | sphery: | if you have the frontend, just add all of Deleted to the playlist, then Delete |
| [21:40:28] | Josh``: | kormoc, default is 64, I was reading on a -users post that it should be more like 1024 |
| [21:40:34] | sphery: | (and don't worry about Delete + Re-record or Delete--it keeps whatever you used originally when you deleted it to Deleted) |
| [21:40:46] | iamlindoro: | Your first mistake was reading anything in a -users post |
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| [21:40:53] | iamlindoro: | at least, and trusting it |
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| [21:41:42] | sphery: | I seldom need to switch users more than 64 times per second |
| [21:42:11] | Josh``: | kormoc, also made mention of /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq, but apparently that was dropped a few kernel revisions ago |
| [21:42:59] | Josh``: | 1) cat /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq. If you get 64, then bad. It |
| [21:42:59] | Josh``: | needs to be 1024 or the audio/video timing gets wrong because the |
| [21:42:59] | Josh``: | frontend cannot use the rtc for timing. |
| [21:43:05] | gbee: | Josh``: that's the first time I've ever heard anyone talk about the timers at all in relation to MythTV, IMHO you should just ignore whatever you read on the list, it's crap |
| [21:43:49] | clever: | Josh``: mplayer used to warn about that being wrong on startup, but its gone silent lately |
| [21:43:51] | Josh``: | gbee just trying to diagnose. I've been experiencing this problem for a long time now with no usable debugging assistance. |
| [21:43:52] | wagnerrp: | especially if it has to deal with tinkering with kernel internals |
| [21:44:16] | sphery: | in theory, if you're using a proper Myth config (i.e. as set up by a Myth-centric distro), it's all worked out for you properly |
| [21:44:22] | clever: | gbee: i think the kernel limits /dev/rtc to 64hz by default to prevent IRQ abuse, but 64hz isnt enough for video to be perfect |
| [21:44:38] | sphery: | clever: only for unprivileged users |
| [21:44:41] | wagnerrp: | is this a framegrabber? |
| [21:44:54] | sphery: | until you know how mythfrontend is run, that knowledge is meaningless |
| [21:45:05] | Josh``: | wagnerrp, hdhomerun |
| [21:45:12] | sphery: | i.e. my configuration does not necessarily equal yours |
| [21:45:28] | clever: | sphery: mythtv doesnt normaly run as root |
| [21:47:16] | kormoc: | Josh``: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.2 under "Enabling real-time scheduling of the display thread" |
| [21:47:21] | kormoc: | follow the rlimit's option |
| [21:47:35] | kormoc: | messing with timers directly is not the recommended way for a long time |
| [21:48:12] | sphery: | clever: don't need root, just CAP_SYS_RESOURCE |
| [21:48:15] | Josh``: | kormoc, I'm not even sure if it's a problem, since I use VDPAU. However, I'm up for any suggestion to fix this prebuffering pause stuff. |
| [21:48:55] | gbee: | Josh``: how much video ram, which deinterlacer? |
| [21:49:30] | Josh``: | gbee, it's a GTX285 OC. 1GB vRam, not sure off hand which deinterlacer, it's been a while since I've fought with it. |
| [21:50:07] | Josh``: | I don't think it's frontend related. |
| [21:50:24] | gbee: | hmm, most likely to be audio related then |
| [21:50:47] | kormoc: | Josh``: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Pr . . . Audio_Issues |
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| [21:54:21] | gbee: | Josh``: oh, forgot the obvious – what CPU? AMD or Intel? |
| [21:54:38] | Josh``: | I run strictly intel |
| [21:54:53] | Josh``: | the backend is a Q6600, the frontend is a P4 Northwood @ 2.8 |
| [21:54:58] | Josh``: | erp |
| [21:55:01] | Josh``: | backwardds :p |
| [21:55:35] | Josh``: | frontend is the quad core |
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| [21:56:09] | gbee: | try disabling cpu frequency scaling to see if it makes any difference, at least with AMD cpus at the lowest frequency setting the bus speed is also reduced which causes vdpau to choke |
| [21:56:33] | Josh``: | disabling cpu freq on the FE? |
| [21:56:43] | gbee: | 'strictly intel' – you work for Intel huh? ;) |
| [21:56:45] | gbee: | Josh``: yeah |
| [21:57:47] | Beirdo: | blah! |
| [21:57:52] | Josh``: | I get a lot of equipment from work, their vendors only use Intel in their buisness machines. |
| [21:57:53] | Beirdo: | stupid internet |
| [21:58:14] | Beirdo: | why must you tempt me with sweet old classic cars!? |
| [21:59:13] | Josh``: | afk |
| [21:59:56] | gbee: | Beirdo: cars? I only get offers of cheap prescription drugs, large amounts of cash from Nigerian princes or hot stock tips :/ |
| [22:00:05] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:00:11] | Beirdo: | well, I went looking |
| [22:00:15] | Beirdo: | but ARGH |
| [22:00:49] | Beirdo: | if any Swedes are on.... I want a Volvo P1800. :) Yes, a 50ish-year old car |
| [22:01:22] | Beirdo: | my dad had one (in ugly mustard yellow) |
| [22:01:48] | Beirdo: | He sold it when I was 15. blast it, I never got to drive it on the road |
| [22:10:49] | Beirdo: | ok, home time |
| [22:13:33] | natanojl: | It's a nice car |
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| [22:16:01] | Hiisty: | my father had also p1800 |
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| [22:19:43] | euphoria: | hi all |
| [22:20:43] | euphoria: | im have one question, if somebody can help me |
| [22:20:51] | euphoria: | im have mandriva 2010 |
| [22:21:28] | euphoria: | have instaled and configured the tv card and finde some channels |
| [22:22:17] | euphoria: | im made in my euphoria user a .mythtv folder with livetv folder and configure him in the mythtv-setup |
| [22:22:34] | euphoria: | when im want to see tv have this error: |
| [22:22:34] | euphoria: | TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started |
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| [22:23:23] | euphoria: | im need to made a mythtv user with permission in the livetv folder or im can use euphoria user? |
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| [22:38:49] | wagnerrp: | the backend handles all recordings |
| [22:39:03] | wagnerrp: | so the backend must be run as a user that has write access to your recordings directory |
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| [22:39:21] | wagnerrp: | in this case, your distro is probably running your backend as user 'mythtv' |
| [22:39:39] | wagnerrp: | so user 'mythtv' would need write acccess to that path in your user folder |
| [22:41:46] | euphoria: | im only have euphoria user and root user |
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| [22:41:56] | sid3windr: | doesnt sound like a lot |
| [22:42:05] | sid3windr: | no nobody, no www-data, no nothing? |
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| [22:42:54] | euphoria: | im install the mythtv from my user, made a folder for euphoria permission and start mythfrontend from euphoria user |
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| [22:43:44] | euphoria: | im need to create a mythtv and made this user livetv permission? |
| [22:44:13] | sid3windr: | how are you starting mythtv backend? |
| [22:45:48] | euphoria: | whyyes |
| [22:45:49] | euphoria: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1842965 |
| [22:46:07] | euphoria: | my frontend log when im start from konsole |
| [22:46:51] | sid3windr: | did I really type frontend instead of backend? |
| [22:46:58] | sid3windr: | it seems my screen here is still saying backend |
| [22:47:04] | ** sid3windr checks for spyware ** | |
| [22:48:06] | euphoria: | mythbackend (pid 25068) is active... |
| [22:48:27] | jduggan: | sid3windr: pebkac |
| [22:48:42] | sid3windr: | :> |
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| [22:49:37] | euphoria: | the backend are started like etc/init.d/mythbackend start |
| [22:49:50] | sid3windr: | what user is it running as |
| [22:50:07] | euphoria: | im thing root user |
| [22:50:52] | euphoria: | nono |
| [22:51:06] | euphoria: | sorry mythtv user but im dont have this user in my system! |
| [22:51:23] | sid3windr: | that's.... impossible |
| [22:51:45] | sid3windr: | what does "getent passwd |wc -l" say |
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| [22:52:13] | euphoria: | in my system monitor from kde say mythtv |
| [22:52:33] | euphoria: | getent passwd |wc -l: 33 ¿? |
| [22:52:43] | sid3windr: | there are 33 users on your system then |
| [22:52:47] | sid3windr: | not 2, like you say |
| [22:52:47] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [22:53:02] | sid3windr: | so user mythtv needs write access to the recordings path |
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| [22:53:35] | euphoria: | very strange! im made a new install of mandriva and made only euphoria user |
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| [22:54:20] | euphoria: | sorry, how im can list the user? |
| [22:54:42] | clever: | getent passwd|grep mythtv |
| [22:54:55] | euphoria: | thx |
| [22:55:17] | clever: | 'getent passwd mythtv' also seems to work |
| [23:02:59] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v MythLogBot | |
| [23:04:30] | ** Beirdo pokes MythLogBot ** | |
| [23:04:38] | Beirdo: | what's up with you, bot? |
| [23:04:45] | Beirdo: | !trout MythLogBot |
| [23:04:45] | ** MythLogBot slaps MythLogBot with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [23:05:06] | iamlindoro: | That runs afoul of his self preservation subroutines |
| [23:05:09] | Beirdo: | it will get there eventually |
| [23:05:12] | iamlindoro: | now he'll destroy us all |
| [23:05:15] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:05:34] | Beirdo: | it's backed up with hundreds of notifications (anti-flood control is in place) |
| [23:06:12] | Beirdo: | my mythbox is converting me a video with nuvexport... 102fps |
| [23:06:14] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [23:06:33] | Beirdo: | going from MPEG2->VCD, just wanted to see if I could get ANYTHING out of it yet |
| [23:06:54] | Beirdo: | there it goes |
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| [23:14:08] | ** sphery just transcoded a video to RTJPEG in NUV to fix http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8076 , but can't reproduce the problem ** | |
| [23:17:43] | Beirdo: | OMG, this audio sounds like crap |
| [23:18:03] | Beirdo: | wonder if that's the encoding or the laptop or the audio device |
| [23:18:32] | iamlindoro: | sphery, fixed by sync? |
| [23:18:52] | sphery: | potentially |
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| [23:19:01] | jamiem: | hello :) |
| [23:19:08] | sphery: | Beirdo: you did use 48kHz, right? |
| [23:19:09] | Beirdo: | audio device |
| [23:19:14] | sphery: | 32kHz will sound bad |
| [23:19:33] | Beirdo: | it's not the encoding ;) |
| [23:20:02] | Beirdo: | stupid USB headset |
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| [23:21:36] | jamiem: | has the NOVA T-500 firmware not been upgraded since dvb-usb-dib0700–1.20.fw ? |
| [23:21:36] | Beirdo: | well, I will say... nuvexport still works in this particular test case |
| [23:21:38] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [23:22:26] | Beirdo: | and WMP sucks majorly |
| [23:23:01] | Beirdo: | as Butthead would say... it sucks more than anything has ever sucked before. |
| [23:23:22] | wagnerrp: | was he the blond or dark hair'd? |
| [23:23:33] | Beirdo: | dark hair with braces |
| [23:23:39] | Beirdo: | blond was Beavis |
| [23:23:41] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [23:24:02] | wagnerrp: | what do you call a dark haired male? you cant call them a brunette |
| [23:24:13] | Beirdo: | and the fact that I know that off the top of my head... is just bad |
| [23:24:17] | Beirdo: | hehe, dunno |
| [23:24:20] | Beirdo: | bruno? |
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| [23:24:28] | sid3windr: | bruno was my guess too |
| [23:24:29] | sid3windr: | :D |
| [23:24:44] | wagnerrp: | yeah... but people wouldnt know what you were talking about |
| [23:25:13] | wagnerrp: | bruno? but neither of them could lift much more than themselves |
| [23:25:22] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:25:29] | Beirdo: | but they could couch fish |
| [23:25:32] | iamlindoro: | Brunet |
| [23:25:40] | iamlindoro: | (is masculine Brunette) |
| [23:25:48] | Beirdo: | "brown haired dued" |
| [23:25:52] | Beirdo: | dude rather |
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| [23:31:42] | euphoria: | hi again |
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| [23:32:59] | euphoria: | clever, sid3windr, wagnerrp, im finaly found the solution. Im add a mythtv group into my euphoria groupand now is work :D |
| [23:33:10] | euphoria: | thx soo much fr the help |
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| [23:33:49] | euphoria: | have a nice day all :) |
| [23:36:11] | Beirdo: | what if we wanna have a rotten day? :) |
| [23:37:44] | iamlindoro: | there's an app^H^H^H channel resident for that |
| [23:37:54] | iamlindoro: | I'll just perform some unbans |
| [23:38:01] | Beirdo: | oooh, going to the app store to install him |
| [23:38:02] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [23:59:19] | mfg: | I have a n00b question: Is anyone using a ZOTAC ION board (like the IONITX-F-E) with a PCI-E capture card (like the HVR-2250)? I heard a rumor that the PCI-E slot on boards like this didn't work with non-graphics cards. |
| [23:59:46] | wagnerrp: | ive not heard of any such issue |
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