Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, March 15th, 2010, 00:02 UTC

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

:)

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fugdnscerd:

when ripping a dvd does myth use the videos dir set in storage groups or in the fe

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mattwj2002:

anyone have a recommendation for a MCE Remote ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: What do you mean? If you mean search terms, search for "RC6 MICROSOFT REMOTE" on fleabay... should filter out most of the junk ones.

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mattwj2002:

what is rc6?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: it's the IR protocol it uses. But using that in the search term eliminates many of the 'junk' 'aftermarket' ones that are calling themselves MCE remotes.

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mattwj2002:

thanks

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mattwj2002:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: $19.99 – http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-Microsoft-Windows-Me . . . em335775e36d

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mattwj2002:

O_O

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mattwj2002:

that isn't English

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J-e-f-f-A:

it isn't?

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mattwj2002:

nope

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J-e-f-f-A:

oh, the remote itself isn't ... DOH! sorry, didn't see that!.... But now you know what you're looking for...

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mattwj2002:

I was thinking more of something like this http://amzn.com/B00224ZDFY

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mattwj2002:

I want something with a few extra buttons on it

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mattwj2002:

maybe that isn't necessary

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: That looks like a MCE remote with a 'mouse pad' added... Not sure how good the Linux support is for it though, you'd have to google.

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mattwj2002:

okay good to know

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: here's an example of one to say away from: http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-USB-Remote-Con . . . 8&sr=1-4

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mattwj2002:

ok

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: It 'looks' nice, but the 4-way pad is actually a 16-direction pad, better for a mouse than up/down/left/right.

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fugdnscerd:

have you guys seen the new tivo remotes?

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mattwj2002:

I should just order what I all ready have

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mattwj2002:

that would be the easiest

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mattwj2002:

:)

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fugdnscerd:

flips open with keyboard...

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mattwj2002:

oh yeah that say rc 6 on that back

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slickrick:

question about jamu. my interactive mode no longer works, jamu simply doesn't got to interactive mode when i run it with switches -Mi

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RDV_Linux:

slickrick: There is a chance that you do not have any videos that do NOT have reference numbers

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: If you want a few spares, here's a lot of 5 for $23.50 + 4.98 shipping: http://cgi.ebay.com/5-Lot-DELL-RC6-REMOTE-Con . . . em53dd1972e3

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slickrick:

RDV_Linux: hi RDV Linux ... can you elaborate?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: The only 'beef' I have with these is that all the keys *except* the number keys are backlit...

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mattwj2002:

nice

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mattwj2002:

:)

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slickrick:

RDV_Linux: i renamed all my files from the imdb id (ttXXXXXXXX) to the movie name (SOME_MOVIE.iso) and for the most part it worked. some obvious movies don't work, is there a way I can figure out the right name for the file using themoviedb.org api?

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RDV_Linux:

slickrick: You should be using the -MI option (capital 'I'). Interactive mode only focuses on videos that do not have refernence numbers (IMDB, TMDB or TVDB)

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mattwj2002:

what if I have a girl over and she wants to change the channel all she has to do is grab another remote O_O

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slickrick:

RDV_Linux: does this mean where the inetref column is null for that particular movie?

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RDV_Linux:

slickrick: The last question you asked there are no specific tools. This would be laborious but you could remove the inetref numbers for those specific movies and then use jamu with the -MI option.

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J-e-f-f-A:

slickrick, RDV_Linux – or within mythfrontend, reset the metadata on those movies with "I" -> "Metadata Options" -> "Reset Metadata" then run jamu again...

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slickrick:

RDV_Linux: some of my videos show null for the inetref, but still no interactive mode.

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J-e-f-f-A:

... but if you have a lot of them, that's a pin in the bleep...

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J-e-f-f-A:

pain even... hehehe

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slickrick:

J-e-f-f-A: cool, trying that.

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RDV_Linux:

J-e-f-f-A: If you use Mythvideo to clear the metadata then you might as well hit the 'w' option and let MythVideo get the metadata. In the end that would be faster.

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J-e-f-f-A:

RDV_Linux: Good point. ;-) slickrick ^^^

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J-e-f-f-A:

RDV_Linux: Although I've had cases where "W" didn't work, but Interactive mode did list tons of additional 'possibilities' that at least one of them was right...

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RDV_Linux:

slickrick: Experiment to see what works best for you

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slickrick:

RDV_Linux: for sure. i am trying out both suggestions to see what'll do the trick. thanks for the suggestions.

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mattwj2002:

sorry to be a pest

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mattwj2002:

would a remote like this work?

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mattwj2002:

http://amzn.com/B002XNQHNQ

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russell5:

i have almost that same one except the colored buttons on bottem

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mattwj2002:

and it works?

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slickrick:

RDV_Linux: the 'w' key works great, but something seems to be wrong on my system when it gets the coverart.

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: That looks like a 'standard' MCE remote.

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russell5:

yeah but was kinda a pain to get it to work. and mine is only has reciver no trnasmitter

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RDV_Linux:

slickrick: elaborate

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slickrick:

RDV_Linux: It seems to download but then I get Coverart download finished: Error: file error 'No such file or directory' for file /mnt/coverart/0362478_coverart.jpg 1

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iamlindoro:

/mnt/coverart doesn't exist, or you don't have permissions to it

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J-e-f-f-A:

^^ yep

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slickrick:

i know my user has r/w perms and it exists.

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slickrick:

i am double checking tho.

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mattwj2002:

okay maybe I should get a rc6 remote instead

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mattwj2002:

they are so easy

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mattwj2002:

I am going to use it for boxee too

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russell5:

yeha i had to edit the lirc code to get it to work. i found a great guide for it but still kinda sucked

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: that one is an rc6 remote – looks like it comes with a receiver too.

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mattwj2002:

yeah but I want something plug and play

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J-e-f-f-A:

mattwj2002: Well, make sure you get the receiver with it too then. That's what makes it 'basically' plug & play. (You'll still need to put the MCEUSB lirc files in place...)

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Beirdo:

mmm, plug n pray

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mattwj2002:

:P

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Yeah, the only thing I've ever known to be 'true' plug & Play was the Amiga – and they called it "Autoconfig" ;-)

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slickrick:

what command does it run to actually get the artwork? I'd like to run it from the command line to see what happens.

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iamlindoro:

No external process gets artwork

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slickrick:

tmdb.pl -P and -D work fine.

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RDV_Linux:

slickrick: That does not download anything

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slickrick:

no i know, i was just watching the output of mythfrontend and running the commands by hand. i take it fetch_poster does the poster grabbing goodness.

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

again, no external process does grabbing

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iamlindoro:

it is all internal

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iamlindoro:

s/grabbing/downloading

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slickrick:

iamlindoro: oh, okay.

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slickrick:

then i am stumped. the user running mythtv has r/w to the target but i get "coverart download finished: error: file error no such file or dir"

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iamlindoro:

the portion of the error message that reads "error: file error no such file or dir" doesn't even come from Myth, it comes from Qt... and it really really means that the process is being prohibited from writing that dir

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iamlindoro:

I would try setting the coverart dir to the home dir of the frontend user

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slickrick:

iamlindoro: understood. i will go double check the paths and rights. thx.

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iamlindoro:

np, good luck

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slickrick:

iamlindoro: okay ... that's what it was. my bad.

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iamlindoro:

no worries, glad you found it

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slickrick:

love the mythvideo and that 'w' key. awesome.

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slickrick:

when entering the unique id through the frontend, where can i get the unique id? can i use the imdb number?

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Beirdo:

oh nice

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Beirdo:

trying to use nuvexport (finally) on my resurrected recordings....

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Beirdo:

ffmpeg version SVN-rUNKNOWN

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Beirdo:

way to go, ubuntu, you freaks

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Beirdo:

granted it IS 8.04.4

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Beirdo:

but still

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sphery:

heh, version of SVN r UNKNOWN

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Beirdo:

of course nuvexport belches on that, looking for >= 0.5

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Beirdo:

idiotic

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Beirdo:

any ubuntu (newer than hardy) users here right now?

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russell5:

me

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Beirdo:

which version, and could you let me know the version returned by ffmpeg -version?

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iamlindoro:

yay, "The Pacific" on tonight

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russell5:

FFmpeg SVN-r19352–4:0.5+svn20090706–2ubuntu2 but i think i build it form scratch

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russell5:

but nuvexport doesnt work for me still with ffmpeg

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Beirdo:

ah. OK, that does look like an ubuntu version string

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iamlindoro:

That's because since .5 they're cahnged the API

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iamlindoro:

er they've

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Beirdo:

which version of ubuntu is that?

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iamlindoro:

!trout iamlindoro literacy

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** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a literacy trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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russell5:

mythbuntu 9.10

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russell5:

i think lol

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Beirdo:

yeah, and ubuntu's built-in version strings are not Scottish

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Beirdo:

thanks. OK, well, I'm gonna poke this with a stick for a bit until I can get it to behave, I guess

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russell5:

yeha im using custom compiled ffmpeg and nuvexport from trunk and cant get it to work :(

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Beirdo:

I have no need to keep this machine running Hardy anyways, I only did that to use xen, and then I realized my domU were all 64bit, and this is on a 32bit machine

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iamlindoro:

russell5, nuvexport was last made to conform with ffmpeg when they released .5 last year

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iamlindoro:

it's incompatible with command line arguments in versions since

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iamlindoro:

so with every update you make it work less :)

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iamlindoro:

now why ffmpeg devs change command line arguments like I change clothes is another matter

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Beirdo:

heh, but if you can let me know what the problems are, I can try to track it down

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Beirdo:

a bug in trac would be useful, or we can try to talk it through on IRC

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iamlindoro:

wonder if there's an ffmpeg perl module we can just make nuvexport depend on, then ubuntu can worry about matching that pm and ffmpeg

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Beirdo:

after 0.23, I want to start making nuvexport more and more integrated and useful, etc

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Beirdo:

without breaking it :)

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Beirdo:

possibly

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russell5:

well iget this error av_interleaved_write_frame(): Error while opening file

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Beirdo:

I kinda want to go use a wiffle-bat on the ffmpeg developers though

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Beirdo:

hmmm, that almost sounds like a permissions problem on the output dir

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russell5:

i think ive looked into it to and couldnt find anything

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russell5:

if i run nuvexport from command line as logged in user i have it writing to that users home folder

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

OK, but that does sound suspicious :)

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Beirdo:

right now I have borked ffmpeg, so I'll have to wait until I upgrade.

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Beirdo:

is 10.4 supposed to be LTS, I wonder?

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iamlindoro:

I... think?

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Beirdo:

it's at the right place in the cycle for it

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iamlindoro:

yep, looks like

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iamlindoro:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS

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Beirdo:

I kinda don't feel like upgrading hardy->intrepid->jaunty->karmic->lucid

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Beirdo:

hehe

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russell5:

but i get this when i do debug. Cannot read log file '/tmp/xvid.4134.log-0.log' for pass-2 encoding: No such file or directory

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Beirdo:

I should be able to do hardy->lucid directly

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russell5:

but i could of made it worse with all the playing i did

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iamlindoro:

Think I've got my MBE on 8.10

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Beirdo:

LTS->LTS should be able to upgrade in one shot

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iamlindoro:

I'll probably go to 10.04 when that's out... less of an issue to me because everything myth related is from source

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Beirdo:

russell5: hmmm, I don't know what custom stuff you may have done, but for sure, check the perms there too

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fugdnscerd:

beirdo: s/10.4/10.04

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russell5:

yeah im not to worried about it now gonna get suspend/resume working first thanks

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Beirdo:

and run nuvexport with --debug and run each step (I think that's mentioned on the wiki somewhere)

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Beirdo:

K

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Beirdo:

fugdnscerd: same thing

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Beirdo:

0s don't matter, it gets the idea across

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fugdnscerd:

yea close enough

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Beirdo:

my poor machine... get ready to be upgraded.

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Beirdo:

sigh

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fugdnscerd:

confused me for a sec tho, all .04 release are LTS correct?

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Beirdo:

oh screw it, I'll do it release by release

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

every 2 years

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Beirdo:

6.06 (which was supposed to be 6.04), then 8.04, then 10.04

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fugdnscerd:

ahh

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Beirdo:

and at this point, if you are on 6.06, your only upgrade path is directly to 8.04

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Beirdo:

1181 upgraded, 147 newly installed, 24 to remove and 1 not upgraded.

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Beirdo:

Need to get 875MB of archives.

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Beirdo:

ughhh.

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fugdnscerd:

most ppl run LTS for a reason tho right? If your upgrading you should go to another LTS no?

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Beirdo:

that's just the first one :)

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Beirdo:

well, typically, if you chose LTS it was for a reason, yeah

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Beirdo:

but in this case, it was just the newest version that had working xen support :)

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Beirdo:

which I no longer care about

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fugdnscerd:

i understand

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Beirdo:

so, in just over an hour, it should be intrepid

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Beirdo:

I don't have the guts to jump it straight to lucid tonight :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, you around?

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Beirdo:

heya Captain_Murdoch :)

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, yup

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Captain_Murdoch:

hey Beirdo

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, I'm putting in a simple cache for the findArtworkFile to cut down on the backend queries. there shouldn't be much updating/adding new files while we're in PBB, so I was thinking of like a 15 or 30 second timeout. do you see any issues with something like that?

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iamlindoro:

none at all

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok. I'm thinking of going with 30 for now, we can bump down easily enough if there are issues, but I think the only thing that it might have issues with is mirobridge if that downloads artwork for the items it inserts.

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Captain_Murdoch:

actually, could use 60 or more in that case I guess.

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iamlindoro:

Mirobridge leaves the artwork pulling ot Jamu

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iamlindoro:

er to Jamu

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok.

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iamlindoro:

Seems like a good idea to me, thanks for looking at that

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iamlindoro:

I have taken a half-hearted trial run at the generic metadata handling stuff, a draft has been open on my desktop for a week

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Beirdo:

heeh

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Captain_Murdoch:

what do you think on the expiration time, would 60 be too much?

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iamlindoro:

hopefully when we reorg the DB we can put image fields in for recordings

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, it doesn't seem like too much to me, but doubtless you've thought it through better than I

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iamlindoro:

Anyone updating more frequently than that deserves to have to wiat a minute ;)

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Captain_Murdoch:

I figured you'd know what was going on outside PBB than me, that's why I asked. I thought about just setting no expire time since anything puting in artwork would be external to the frontend.

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Captain_Murdoch:

worst case is they don't see artwork for something new unless they reenter the screen.

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I think that would be a perfectly acceptable limitation, personally

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iamlindoro:

especially in light of my simmering desire to "do it right" while we do the DB merge

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** Beirdo waits to hear luser complaints **

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, I'm going to make it permanent then, it won't expire/clear unless you reenter the screen.

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iamlindoro:

cool

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Captain_Murdoch:

that makes it consistent.

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iamlindoro:

btw, by do it right I mean fix my own broken code, not to imply that your approach isn't right :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

my head is so screwed up with all the time changes :)

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iamlindoro:

You know, you'd think PulseAudio would have a simple function to return the output devices connected at a given moment in time, instead of having to set up some giant asynchronous monstrosity...

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Beirdo:

quit being sensible :)

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iamlindoro:

I totally respect their goal of being able to plug in a given device and switch to it, so I totally "get" why they want it to be async

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iamlindoro:

but c'mon

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iamlindoro:

Not everybody wants to run some pulse listener at all times

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Beirdo:

true nuff

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iamlindoro:

They do have a "simple" API but it's way, way less than what's needed: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/pulse . . . -source.html

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Beirdo:

I still need to rememeber to buy some speakers for this PC so I can LISTEN to shows too :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, didn't even see that comment, so no worry. I'm about to test my change as soon as my dev database finishes it's weekly upgrade.

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iamlindoro:

Cool

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iamlindoro:

Ugh, installing pulseaudio, no amount of showers will make me feel clean

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** Beirdo sendse the SVU over to take samples **

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Beirdo:

hheeh

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Beirdo:

mythbackend did not react nicely to my dist-upgrade while it was running

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Beirdo:

poor thing

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Beirdo:

I did only rip out qt4 and replace it :)

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Beirdo:

nothing of consequence.. hehe

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justinh:

bah. at 6.20pm on Friday some git emailed me asking if I could make a metal bracket to hold some boxes down to a base for a customer demo. Yeah I'm good like that, bending metal to an acceptable standard without having access to a bending jig :-\

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justinh:

I know we work miracles here but I think that's taking the wee a bit

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hachi:

well, this has me a little confused

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hachi:

the audio from mythtv

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hachi:

appears to be coming out my onboard beeper speaker now

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justinh:

heh. congratulations!

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hachi:

apparently alsa has gained drivers for that concept, and they've become my default driver now :\

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justinh:

could be worse... using pulseaudio you might have sound coming from there but it wouldn't be in sync :D

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justinh:

you could use aplay to find out what the various audio devices on your system are – but last time I tried it on a recent install it wasn't hot at actually producing useful output

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justinh:

IIRC aplay -L was what you'd need but they went & castrated it

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hachi:

I just blacklisted the module

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sid3windr:

the sweet technical fact that one of my first cracktro's I saw played its .mod through my pc speaker is what got me hooked to the demoscene in the first place

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sid3windr:

I like that alsa now has it, >15 years after the fact :P

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highzeth:

.mod? nm, .sid ftw ;)

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sid3windr:

yeh, but .sid through pc speaker isnt that much of a feat imo compared to .mod :P

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highzeth:

still have the breadbox I bought in 83, I dust it off a couple times a year to look at old demos & see how many times I can round Bruce Lee

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highzeth:

that might be, I must admit I havent listened to sid's on a pc in many years, it just feels wrong =)

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justinh:

there's a pic-based SID player now. How humanity has progressed

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toeb:

hi in the theming contest: more points are better?

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toeb:

1 = bad, 5= awesome ?

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justinh:

bigger number = better, I'd have thought

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gbee:

unless you're playing Golf

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justinh:

might partake in the voting myself. got trunk on my dev box somewhere still

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justinh:

clearing out the computer room is still taking too long though. took 4 binbags full of junk to the tip yesterday & it's made no noticable difference

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justinh:

heh those IT contractors convicted of scamming a casino.. printed fake slips detailing a £600 win from a £10 bet at 35 to 1. DUHHHHH

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gbee:

wow

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swerve:

in mythweb, on the search page, searches keep defaulting to "Dec 3 to now." how can I change that?

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swerve:

i'm trying between "now and two weeks" and it keeps timing out with a memory error

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wagnerrp:

even were it doing that, mythbackend should be flushing any content older than about a week

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wagnerrp:

you should only be returning results from ~3wks instead of 2

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** iamlindoro proposes that MythTV .23 be codenamed "Asymptotic Artichoke," since that's the way we seem to be approaching it ;) **

[15:16:25]

iamlindoro:

the feewer tickets there are, the more their resolution time approaches infinity

[15:17:02]

justinh:

just jump to 0.24 :)#

[15:17:24]

iamlindoro:

Why didn't I think of that!

[15:17:34]

wagnerrp:

sounds like a winamp solution

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iamlindoro:

We'll need at least that long for people to figure out the theme voting scale, apparently

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justinh:

never underestimate people's ability to choose different logic to your own ;)

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iamlindoro:

committed a little clarification to the page once xr is has a chance to approve it

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iamlindoro:

Of course the only responses to the competition on the users list so far have been "Waahhhhhh, I don't want to have to run trunk!"

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justinh:

in places where printed text goes RLT, is left arrow taken as meaning forwards or backwards?

[15:23:19]

iamlindoro:

Apparently it would be better for the .23 theming competition themes to be incompatible with .23 :)

[15:23:31]

iamlindoro:

ooh, good question

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iamlindoro:

I suspect the logic is inverted

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iamlindoro:

[mythtv-users] VDPAU woos

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** iamlindoro takes VDPAU out for a dinner and a movie **

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wagnerrp:

maybe hes cheering it on... like 'woo!'

[15:26:12]

wagnerrp:

but he has to do it multiple times

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justinh:

making multiple passes?

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devinheitmueller:

Are we on Arsenio Hall?

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devinheitmueller:

woo woo woo woo?

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** wagnerrp fist pumps **

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justinh:

mythwooflagger – can skip the audience noises during the Daily Show

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justinh:

they really should give that crowd downers before the recording

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iamlindoro:

TDS audience noises are usually an exact 40 second skip from credits starting :)

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gbee:

or stop giving them uppers

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iamlindoro:

(them being calmed, that is)

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justinh:

it's made all the more saddening by sounding so real too

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iamlindoro:

I'm missing something-- why is it sad?

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iamlindoro:

TDS is really popular, it's not surprising the audience would be genuinely excited

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justinh:

because people can be so enthusiastic about being in the audience. it's not *that* enthralling or funny

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** iamlindoro shrugs **

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iamlindoro:

I'd be excited to be there

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justinh:

the sound mixer could turn them down a smidge ;)

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justinh:

oo neat. hometime :-)

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** iamlindoro wonders what would happen if he took all the tickets that were arbitrarily assigned to .22 and bumped them back to unknown **

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iamlindoro:

er /23

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iamlindoro:

Bet I could get us under 10 then ;)

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Dibblah:

I don't think any of the stuff I've done so far is too arbitrary. Some would disagree, of course.

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah: You didn't make any of these assignments

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iamlindoro:

stuarta made most/all of them

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Dibblah:

Sure. All I'm doing is getting them out of the needing triage view.

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Dibblah:

Because according to Trac, 80% of the tickets need initial triage.

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wagnerrp:

is there anything like the '<pre>' tag in trac?

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wagnerrp:

looks like {{{ }}} does it

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iamlindoro:

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iamlindoro:

no, trac

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iamlindoro:

er oh, tra

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iamlindoro:

c

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iamlindoro:

sorry, was thinking in mediawiki

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** sphery begins digging through his tickets e-mail :) **

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wagnerrp:

why is udo complaining about bugs on 0.21?

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sphery:

Dibblah: FWIW, I also think #8148 is a bad idea. If a system doesn't have libmp3lame, it shouldn't be able to run MythTV. And, if a distro uses this as a workaround for "(distro name) is so pure we don't allow license-/patent-questionable packages! <small>Oh, but users can just enable other repo's to get them and completely violate all the principles on which (distro) is based.</small>" then the distro shouldn't make MythTV ...

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sphery:

... available--it should only be in the "other repo's" or--even better--users should just use a distro where using MythTV doesn't violate all the principles on which the distro is based.

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sphery:

wow, that was longer than I thought

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sphery:

wagnerrp: well, he's upgrading to 0.22-fixes

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sphery:

he now has an Athlon II 240. It opens up the possibility of using new features--commflagging, etc.

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sphery:

and he should be able to run valgrind

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sphery:

of course, he can't set it up with 0.22-fixes. He has to get it working with his current 0.21-fixes, /then/ upgrade to 0.22-fixes.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: but hes complaining about not having menu text on 0.21

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sphery:

yeah, because he think's is safer to make it work with his current 0.21-fixes, then upgrade

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wagnerrp:

anyway, what is lame used for? framegrabbers and transcoding?

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

but we need mp3 support in ffmpeg

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wagnerrp:

so something most users arent going to need anyway?

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sphery:

for playback of mp3

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wagnerrp:

oh, i thought lame was an encoder only

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sphery:

but when a user sets up a system without libmp3lame and then does a transcode, then they get a audio-removed video

[16:39:47]

sphery:

yeah, it is, but MP3 is patent-questionable whether for playback or encoding

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sphery:

Just ask Sisvel

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sphery:

so if we make it so they can choose to make a broken mythtv that has no libmp3lame, we're just going down the road toward distros using broken/modified libav* and everything else

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sphery:

since it doesn't /fix/ the problem that MythTV is not Debian-pure

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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sphery:

My opinion, though

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sphery:

others may disagree

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** wagnerrp heads off to lunch **

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sphery:

IMHO, a user who takes Debian and adds all the stuff that Debian can't distribute to make MythTV work has just invented Ubuntu.

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randomuser:

can i run a headless mythtv server with an hvr1600 and only onboard video?

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sphery:

randomuser: yes (a mythbackend server)

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devinheitmueller:

I don't see why not.

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sphery:

randomuser: depending on onboard video, you might even be able to run mythfrontend on it, too

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randomuser:

cool

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randomuser:

the capture card specs say 64mb video ram; would this be for livetv?

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randomuser:

say, as in ask for

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devinheitmueller:

randomuser: those are *Windows* specs.

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devinheitmueller:

and they are primarily for the WinTV application that ships with the card.

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sphery:

I guess, though, I should say that you might be able to run mythfrontend--in a non-headless config

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sphery:

just to be clear :)

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randomuser:

all good to know

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randomuser:

i want to be able to config the server locally, of course, but i dont need playback there

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sphery:

if the onboard video card's driver has Xv support, playback will work fine (to the extent that your CPU can decode the video it's recording)

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sphery:

but setup stuff will work without problem even if you can't get Xv working

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randomuser:

what sort of format does myth store with? will pulling shows out for archive be a hassle?

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randomuser:

and, since i'm clearly a little ignorant, can anyone reccomend info besides mythtv.org?

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gbee:

randomuser: that all depends what you are recording, what source, what type of card you use, if you even use a card etc

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sphery:

for the digital part, you'd get what's broadcast--I'm supposing you're US ATSC since you're using HVR-1600, so that would be MPEG-2 in MPEG Systems Stream. For the analog part, you'll get MPEG-2 in MPEG Systems Stream.

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J-e-f-f-A:

randomuser: The 1600 is Analog and Digital – on Analog it'll encode to MPEG2 – for Digital, it just dumps the stream to disk – Which in the US, ATSC is MPEG2. I believe QAM cable is still MPEG2 also, if you're lucky enough to get anything.

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gbee:

Digital or analogue, hardware encoder or framegrabber, HD in europe or the US

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Hehehe... your turn to be 1st today. ;-)

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, one of those rare days :)

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randomuser:

so one stream, one file

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devinheitmueller:

Yup, ClearQAM is MPEG2.

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randomuser:

not one program, one file

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gbee:

randomuser: no, one file per program, mythtv slices at the program boundaries if you like and excludes the other programs at the same frequency from the stream

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gbee:

to answer your ultimate question, you'll have no problems at all exporting the recordings for viewing on another device, or archiving to DVD etc

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randomuser:

that's a relief; i was afraid it would end up like some freakish reel-to-reel

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gbee:

the stream itself is infinite, but if you ask MythTV to record a program it just starts dumps the section between the start and end times you (or the guide data) specifies, for livetv it's doing the same thing but seamlessly transitions you from one file to the next so that you'd never even notice

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randomuser:

huh.

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randomuser:

so i can use a mythtv-centric distro, or add mythtv to a nonspecialized install, right?

[17:10:09]

randomuser:

any pros or cons you guys can share on that

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justinh:

depends on how easy you want it to be. few people here have any affiliation

[17:11:24]

iamlindoro:

Correct, and for the myth beginner, a myth distro is strongly, strongly recommended

[17:11:36]

justinh:

FWIW if it's just gonna be a mythtv box, maybe with a few extra addons go for a mythtv-based distro

[17:11:48]

iamlindoro:

since I can't recall the last time anyone actually read the manual from front to back before attempting to do it themselves and rolling in here asking us to guide them through it

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randomuser:

haha

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randomuser:

i dont plan on that

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justinh:

what reading the fine manual? then you will fail :)

[17:12:36]

randomuser:

smartass

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iamlindoro:

Whereas a Myth distro makes it considerably more difficult to foul up-- make no mistake, Myth is *not* a "apt-get and done" piece of software. If you don't read the docs, you will fail at it

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justinh:

fwiw you should RTFM even with myth distros

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justinh:

specifically their own docs

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randomuser:

yeah, im reading the manual, thanks

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justinh:

and if there's stuff in the docs you struggle with, don't hesitate to ask for clarification here :)

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justinh:

though I've yet to meet anyone with questions about the docs in here :P

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randomuser:

will myth export/serve to non-myth clients?

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justinh:

it has a UPNP server.. but whether it works with X client is up for discovery

[17:16:48]

randomuser:

sure

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justinh:

some apps claim to work with a mythtv backend natively but YMMV

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dougt_:

i never was able to get myth working with my xbox360. maybe it uses some silly ms extension or something.

[17:17:32]

randomuser:

the 360 is quirky

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justinh:

I doubt my TV goes loud enough to drown out the fans :P

[17:17:50]

randomuser:

fuppes works, twonkymedia works

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iamlindoro:

If you were attempting to watch recordings on the 360, that won't happen

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randomuser:

one other i cant recall works, but has no categories

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dougt_:

iamlindoro: why?

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iamlindoro:

as Myth does framegrabber recordings in NUV container (which the 360 can't handle) and digital and hardware encoded recordings to MPEG-ts (which the 360 refuses to handle)

[17:18:49]

iamlindoro:

that is to say, the 360 won't do TS via uPnP

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justinh:

the 'universal' bit of 'upnp' really stands for 'u might get lucky'

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iamlindoro:

it'll happily do it using their proprietary media center extender stuff

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randomuser:

fuppes also transcodes on the fly

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gbee:

upnp is anything but universal, although there is a standard, some clients don't adhere to the standards, others only implement part of that standard and even two standards compliant apps can behave differently

[17:22:03]

gbee:

and as iamlindoro notes, even when clients support upnp it doesn't mean that can play all the common codecs, the consoles in particular have real trouble with that

[17:22:09]

justinh:

it should really be put down.. that was what DLNA was supposed to be about but even that's a mess already

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sphery:

randomuser: You can set up a Windows box with Windows Media Player having a Samba share of the recordings directory(ies) mounted. Then have Windows Media Player serve the MythTV recordings to the XBox 360. WMP will then transcode on the fly to a "Microsoft-approved" container complete with the "Blessed by Microsoft WMP" bits the XBox 360 requires to use "external" video.

[17:22:23]

sphery:

randomuser: then it only takes 3 computers to watch a TV show

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gbee:

heh

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sphery:

or, you could--and this is really a crazy idea--use mythfrontend to watch it with only one computer

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justinh:

but then nothing else is as capable of playing mythtv files as mythtv is

[17:22:56]

justinh:

certainly not as fully featured

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sphery:

definitely

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sphery:

If you don't use mythfrontend, you lose commercial skipping, the OSD with mythtv-specific TV show metadata, (usually) timestretch, and basically everything that makes MythTV the best DVR application in existence!

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randomuser:

like i was saying, there are open source upnp servers that the xbox360 will use

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sphery:

randomuser: but the XBox 360 only plays MS-blessed formats

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justinh:

though (cough) other 'media center' apps are working on adding proper native mythtv support

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sphery:

MPEG-2 isn't one of them

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randomuser:

the only formats i have had trouble with are mkvs

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justinh:

arrrrrr emmm kay veeee

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sphery:

randomuser: http://blogs.msdn.com/xboxteam/archive/2007/1 . . . ack-faq.aspx

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sphery:

try MPEG-2 video

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sphery:

doesn't work

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sphery:

read the blog entry--it says what works

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iamlindoro:

MPEG-TS is actually the real sticking point

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iamlindoro:

it won't do that, which invalidates most people's recordings

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justinh:

wonder why in the world MS didn't bother with it. not like they can't afford the royalties

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iamlindoro:

They paid the royalties

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iamlindoro:

it'll handle TS fine... if you use MCE

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sphery:

randomuser: you can /only/ get MPEG2 with a WMV protected container From Windows Media Center to Xbox Media Center Extender

[17:26:12]

iamlindoro:

ie, via their media center extender software

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justinh:

ugh

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sphery:

ah, so it doesn't have to change the container on it...

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sphery:

I see

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sphery:

but still only from WMC

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GreyFoxx:

MCE stores them in a drm filled container

[17:27:06]

GreyFoxx:

dvr-ms or some such

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justinh:

mind you my sister uses MCE & times I've visited her stuff like music serving doesn't work to the 360 til everything has been rebooted half a dozen times

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: yeah, that's the WMV protected container

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justinh:

keep pointing out to her it's faster to find the CD

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randomuser:

i don't know what to say; i've been streaming to my 360 for years

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sphery:

justinh: reminds me of the Win 98 and prior days

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: the drvms extension is just asf, and can be DRM or non

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GreyFoxx:

iaml: Cool

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iamlindoro:

I have toyed with the idea of looking at going NUV->MKV after the release

[17:28:56]

iamlindoro:

Could do some neat tricks like add chapter markers at commercial points when transcoding, etc.

[17:29:10]

GreyFoxx:

Support for the embedded subtitles in mkv's might be nice

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iamlindoro:

since we now support MKV chapters :)

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justinh:

btw is there any more menu button rationalising needed around the place? been a while since I ran trunk

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justinh:

ridiculous that the most code I've even hacked on has pretty much been committed & I've not even had it for a test drive yet

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gbee:

mythvideo

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justinh:

need to remember to make my dev box WoL so I can fiddle with it during the day

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mag0o:

/path/to/VirtualBox --startvm vm-guid

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mag0o:

that should do the trick justinh :)

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justinh:

pfft. not on my current backend machine

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justinh:

it's enough of a dog as it is

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mag0o:

hehe

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justinh:

plus when I'm hacking on UI code, specifically painters I want to see what it's really doing

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sphery:

justinh: wol saves me a ton of trips to the other room to start my dev box

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** sphery loves wol **

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justinh:

I'd leave the dev box powered on all the time but for the noise it makes. still not got round to buying auto fan controllers yet

[17:41:06]

sphery:

yeah, it's not worth the cost of the electricity for me to run it all the time

[17:41:28]

sphery:

since it's not doing anything useful for me when I"m not directly using it

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justinh:

there's always CETI@Home for helping me find my parents

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: for recordings? or some external transcoder?

[17:44:17]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: ?

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sphery:

I think the 7 computers (10 cores) on which I run SETI@home is enough of a contribution from me :)

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wagnerrp:

'iamlindoro> I have toyed with the idea of looking at going NUV->MKV after the release'

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sphery:

03.15 13:29:12 <+iamlindoro> since we now support MKV chapters :)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: referring to changing our default container to MKV

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wagnerrp:

ah, for basic recordings

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justinh:

oh Udo :-(

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iamlindoro:

for recordings and mythtranscode output

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Beirdo:

!trout

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** MythLogBot dumps a bucket of trout onto Beirdo **

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Dibblah:

WTF?

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Dibblah:

Is he using .21 fixes or trunk?

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Dibblah:

Can he please make up his mind?

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wagnerrp:

did he ever say he was on trunk?

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Dibblah:

I thought he did.

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Dibblah:

Maybe I misread.

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wagnerrp:

all i see is mentioned of 0.21, backed up by rather old schema versions

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Dibblah:

Wiw. MediaMVPs are still for sale.

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Dibblah:

Wow, even.

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dougt_:

Dibblah: is that good?

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Dibblah:

No, not really. Hardware wise, they suck.

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devinheitmueller:

The MediaMvp is one of the few boxes that ran Linux and was extensible (for example, people wrote a MythTV frontend for it). But it is limited to standard definition only (no HD support)

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justinh:

pity none of the current NMTs are truly customisable

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dewman:

I have a question..... Couple of weeks ago I posted a question on the mailing list about channel scanning..... My cable company uses all qams, 64,128,256. From what I was told I should only scan for digital and when i pull in the channels from Sd the analog will come in as well. I am assuming that I will need to go through and fix up my channel listings because the xmltv-id probally wont be 100% correct. Is that a true statemen

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dewman:

t?

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devinheitmueller:

There are varying levels of customization across different products. Some of the issues involve IP protection of the core hardware design. Others involve DRM issues.

[18:09:32]

devinheitmueller:

Also, building a customizable framework costs real money, and only provides a small increase in value to the *vast* majority of users.

[18:10:02]

devinheitmueller:

i.e. you spend tens of thousands in developing a feature only useful to hobbyists, while nobody else gives a crap.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Just got to Udo's 0.21-fixes post. He would have had the same problem with 0.22-fixes, at least. (It's the Mesa/ATI video driver issue that requires LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT.)

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EbiDK:

I forgot my password for the setup part of mythtv, is there some way to reset it?

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sphery:

EbiDK: what's asking for the password?

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sphery:

is it part of Myth or is it something in your distro?

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EbiDK:

Mythtv, when I try to enter setup.

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kormoc:

EbiDK: mythtv-setup or mythfrontend -> setup or ?

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sphery:

Sounds like you're talking about the "Setup Pin Code: This PIN is used to control access to the setup menus. If you want to use this feature, then setting the value to all numbers will make your life much easier. Set it to blank to disable."

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EbiDK:

The latter

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EbiDK:

Yup

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sphery:

If so, then shut down mythfrontend and restart it with: mythfrontend -O SetupPinCode='1234'

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sphery:

then use 1234 for the PIN

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EbiDK:

Thanks

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sphery:

might be able to do mythfrontend -O SetupPinCode= , but I would guess the arg parsing code will choke on empty value

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gbee:

''

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EbiDK:

It worked, thanks.

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jolaren:

I'm running windows mythtvfrontend on one of my netbooks

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jolaren:

Problem is it can't load all parts of the defaulted profile (terra?) greyish

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jolaren:

Can I change the defauled theme somehow

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Beirdo:

any Aussies on?

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Beirdo:

jsut looking for when DST starts/ends here?

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Beirdo:

there rather

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gbee:

jolaren: if it can't load all the images then changing the theme won't help, it's either a windows bug or a problem with the installation

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gbee:

jolaren: try looking at the logs

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Beirdo:

superdump? heheh. That's like after eating Taco Bell.

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Beirdo:

sorry :)

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justinh:

yay seems I was right about the cmos battery on that dud laptop :-) Maxell ML1220 with solder tags. 0V at the terminals

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jolaren:

How do I know which channels that are on the same mux? and what are the drawbacks on setting the cards to be able to record several programs om same mux?

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justinh:

you have to interrogate the channel table to find that out

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justinh:

or look at a site like lyngsat

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justinh:

muhahaha Digikey want £15 shipping

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Jester05:

ello Govner

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Beirdo:

justinh: sucky to be in the UK when ordering from Digikey, I guess

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Jester05:

anyone here have an FTA setup w/ myth?

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Jester05:

I think I want to create my own but I want to use a receiver box so I could use it with just a TV for whenever I cannot use myth

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kormoc:

you mean OTA?

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Jester05:

no FTA sat..

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Jester05:

Free To Air.. depending where you are in the world you can get free sat

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kormoc:

That's *Extremely* limited in the US, which I seem to recall is where you're at

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Jester05:

yeah I know.. I just want to have a project really lol

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Jester05:

plus I'm looking at jobs outside the US

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kormoc:

Welp, we're unlikely to be able to help you much until you get the dish + cams + etc all figured out

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Jester05:

yeah.. thats what I'm trying to figure out

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Jester05:

I have a 33~36" dish sat that I could use

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Jester05:

but I've heard you really want 48"+

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kormoc:

you'll need to find out which birds you want to get data from, that will give you dish specs required

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Jester05:

well I'm looking at sticking within the Ku band

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Jester05:

C band just requires far too large of a dish for me currently

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** gbee has FTA Satellite and Terrestrial **

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Beirdo:

I got a nice antenna near me here you could try

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** gbee rubs it in **

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Beirdo:

Arecibo Radio Observatory :)

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Jester05:

lol

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Beirdo:

if that ain't big enough...

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kormoc:

Beirdo: ET Phone Home

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Beirdo:

yup

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Jester05:

I have a OTA setup but its got an internal antenna so..

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Jester05:

once I stop renting and buy my own house I'm def setting up an external broadcast ant.

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** Beirdo has NO idea what he will use once he actually ends up moving **

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kormoc:

Beirdo: DirectTV or Millennium likely

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Jester05:

I'm not sure what to do grrr

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kormoc:

and Millennium is worthless

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Beirdo:

maybe Dish, depending on location, I'd think

[20:26:32]

kormoc:

I haven't found a single place that offers Dish in seattle city limits

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Beirdo:

Millennium being craptacular cable?

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kormoc:

yup

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Beirdo:

K.

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Jester05:

I've got 2 analog tuners, 1 tuning analog cable and the other capturing the cable box... also 1 digital tuning OTA

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Beirdo:

Well, if they let me mount a dish... :)

[20:26:59]

Beirdo:

even on a post

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Jester05:

I have another digital tuner but don't know what to do w/ it.. I'd like to try to tune unencrypted digital cable but I can't seem to get it to work right

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Beirdo:

but yeah, we'll see :)

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justinh:

bah nothing even on ebay. might have to do a sneaky mod

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Beirdo:

kormoc: just HOW craptacular is Millennium?

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Jester05:

its tempting to try and "test" with a FTA receiver lol

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kormoc:

Beirdo: http://www.broadstripe.com/dcable-packages.php

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kormoc:

Beirdo: and of course things like http://www.broadstripe.com/dcable-channelineup.php

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Jester05:

too bad I'd jeopardize the ability to gain a top secret security clearance doing so lol

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** kormoc blinks **

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Beirdo:

how would using an FTA receiver possibly affect security clearance?

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mag0o:

see 5 lines up

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Jester05:

no.. "testing" with it

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wagnerrp:

yeah... i dont get it either

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Jester05:

thats the term people who put hacked firmware on them and use them to receive Dish or any other Ku band signal call it

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Beirdo:

Oh

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Beirdo:

that crap

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Jester05:

minus DirecTV.. hear its pretty impossible to get them..

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Beirdo:

well "test" using FTA

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Jester05:

lol

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Jester05:

I'm an electrical engineer.. I just want to get it to work simply to prove I can do it lol

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Jester05:

after I get it working I'll go back to normal FTA

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Jester05:

lol

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Beirdo:

well, move to Canada first, for starters, and we don't discuss such "testing" here

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Beirdo:

I'm EE too :) fun things are often limited by stupid laws

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Jester05:

in canada isn't OTA pretty decent? .. or is it that they don't encrypt digital cable?

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Beirdo:

kormoc: nice channel list

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Jester05:

Beirdo, what do you do?

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kormoc:

Beirdo: yup, and the prices are horrible

[20:36:27]

Beirdo:

Jester05: in Canada there is no DMCA. Apparently they have other draconian crap coming in though

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Beirdo:

Jester05: as little as I can right now...

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Beirdo:

heh

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kormoc:

%s/coming/passed/

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Jester05:

I'm 4 days away from graduating and trying to figure out what to do w/ my life lol

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Beirdo:

doing control system software for jet engines

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Jester05:

I've worked for a building design firm for the past 3 yrs but haven't worked for a while now .. took the last quarter of school off

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Beirdo:

kormoc: well, I'll see once things settle anyways

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Jester05:

Beirdo, thats cool.. is it for the military or commercial.. I live right beside WPAFB

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Beirdo:

there was one building right at the Pioneer Square link rail exit that's renting

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Beirdo:

Jester05: currently commercial

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Jester05:

Beirdo, oh.. you guys wouldn't happen to need another EE would you? ;)

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kormoc:

weird, can't find if c-61 passed or not ( http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publ . . . 3&file=4 )

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Beirdo:

hehe. My employer always needs more slaves

[20:39:16]

Beirdo:

err. employees

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Jester05:

Beirdo, where are you located?

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Beirdo:

Isabela, Puerto Rico

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kormoc:

Beirdo: there's a fair number of buildings in the Pioneer square area for rent, and they're fairly affordable

[20:39:34]

Beirdo:

for now.

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Beirdo:

kormoc: yeah, it was $862 for 1 BR (on the sign)... and link rail/bus to core downtown right there. It's doable

[20:40:16]

Jester05:

I want a job that will get me out and traveling lol.. Looked at a job in Antarctica

[20:40:42]

** Beirdo is trying to move to Seattle, in case you hadn't figured it out **

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kormoc:

Beirdo: 3rd ave is a major bus route, almost always a bus running

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Beirdo:

yup

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Jester05:

Beirdo, does your company have an office in Seattle?

[20:41:19]

Beirdo:

this was at 3rd and whatever the heck that street is... Yesler?

[20:41:23]

Beirdo:

no

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** kormoc nods **

[20:41:26]

Beirdo:

only in PR

[20:42:00]

Beirdo:

you can do way better pay-wise. Let's just leave it at that :)

[20:42:05]

kormoc:

Beirdo: a lot of those also do month to month if you wanted to try it out before really deciding

[20:42:09]

Jester05:

haha alright

[20:42:25]

Beirdo:

kormoc: cool. that's useful when moving 4000+ miles :)

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Jester05:

I'm also master/rescue diver certified.. I just need to find a job that will combine: EE, scuba, linux, backpacking, and possibly flying lol

[20:43:43]

Beirdo:

good luck with that

[20:43:44]

mag0o:

how about a microcontroller that regulates oxygen while diving, so, when the tank is low, is slows the flow of oxygen

[20:43:47]

mag0o:

:)

[20:43:51]

Beirdo:

just join the air force

[20:43:59]

Beirdo:

or the marines

[20:44:05]

kormoc:

mag0o: great, so you slowly die from lack of o2 rather then notice!

[20:44:11]

mag0o:

yes!

[20:44:23]

Jester05:

Beirdo, I've really considered that.. I think I'd fit in that type of setting best

[20:44:36]

kormoc:

Nothing like causing more deaths then the sport already has

[20:44:42]

Jester05:

mag0o, why not just get some form of low flow value?

[20:44:57]

** kormoc blinks **

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Beirdo:

kormoc: hehe. I might be game to try that sometime... but not immediately

[20:45:17]

mag0o:

next time i guess i need to use the <jest> tags

[20:45:23]

Beirdo:

with proper tanks and airflow of course :)

[20:45:31]

kormoc:

Beirdo: It's pretty awesome out here :)

[20:45:39]

Beirdo:

but cold :)

[20:45:40]

Beirdo:

hehe

[20:45:47]

kormoc:

we have pacific giant octopus!

[20:45:50]

kormoc:

It's really not that bad

[20:45:57]

kormoc:

a steady 50ish all year round

[20:45:58]

Beirdo:

it's quite awesome HERE for that :)

[20:46:10]

kormoc:

oh right, that whole tropical thing :P

[20:46:13]

Jester05:

psh Antarctica!

[20:46:18]

wagnerrp:

im really surprised re-breathers have never taken off

[20:46:26]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: there's a very good reason for that

[20:46:38]

wagnerrp:

well sure... if the scrubber gets wet, youre dead

[20:46:42]

kormoc:

yup

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Jester05:

I've considered making my own rebreather

[20:46:46]

kormoc:

in a very horrible way

[20:46:54]

kormoc:

and it's extremely easy to screw that up

[20:47:19]

wagnerrp:

but it gets around that whole duration at depth thing

[20:47:21]

Jester05:

you could add a pony bottle to the system as a fallback though

[20:47:24]

wagnerrp:

aside from decompression anyway...

[20:47:30]

Beirdo:

but anyways, I'll consider being in colder water (I grew up on the Muskoka Lakes, they do stay fairly cold)

[20:47:48]

kormoc:

Jester05: a little late if you already have a lung full of corrosive liquid

[20:48:11]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: meh, it's still limited and you can't go that deep with a straight mix

[20:48:17]

Jester05:

kormoc, you could have sensors that'd eliminate that risk

[20:48:29]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: to get really down you want to do mix gasses, which is fairly technical

[20:48:32]

Jester05:

Nitrox

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Beirdo:

beer

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Jester05:

any of you do any wreck diving?

[20:48:49]

kormoc:

Jester05: why don't you invent the system to do it and sell it off, cause no one has so far...

[20:49:11]

Jester05:

kormoc, I honestly may have to create my own re-breater

[20:49:13]

skd5aner:

mythscuba?

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Jester05:

haha

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Jester05:

MythTank

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Jester05:

its a myth.. you don't need a scuba tank

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sphery:

[mythtv-users] TV listings off by 1 hour after switch to USDaylight Savings Time

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devinheitmueller:

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/4502 . . . Set_Tops.php

[20:58:28]

sphery:

ah, finally... It just wouldn't be a DST change without someone complaining.

[20:58:30]

devinheitmueller:

Reasonable recommendations, but enough loopholes to drive a truck through....

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** skd5aner reads **

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Beirdo:

oooh, loopholes are fun

[20:59:31]

Beirdo:

gives the liars.. er lawyers something to work with

[20:59:36]

skd5aner:

wow... by EOY 2012... good luck!

[20:59:49]

devinheitmueller:

yeah.

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sphery:

devinheitmueller: even if that plan is successful, it would have no effect on MythTV or Myth's ability to access content, right? (I'm terrible at reading--even translated by a journalist--beaurocracy speak.)

[21:03:26]

devinheitmueller:

Well, the "network gateway" stuff might *in theory* make it a little easier for third party solutions to access the streams, depending on how much DRM gets jammed into there.

[21:03:52]

devinheitmueller:

For example, if it ends up being the same level of enforcement as traditional Macrovision, then it would be pretty easy to support.

[21:03:53]

Beirdo:

devinheitmueller: I think that amount will be approximately "up the wazoo"

[21:04:02]

sphery:

Ah. I was basing that assumption on the "device will also need to pass through content protection flags from cable operators" and the inability to get such protection in a GNU/Linux system with FOSS.

[21:04:44]

devinheitmueller:

"Content protection flags" is pretty ambigious.

[21:04:47]

sphery:

anyway, it's unlikely to make things worse--unless they successfully kill off Component :)

[21:04:55]

sphery:

true

[21:06:01]

skd5aner:

sphery: from article: The FCC says it should be cheap and allow consumer electronics companies to sell network-neutral devices that can access content independent of any particular MVPD or third party, allowing those consumer electronics companies to design to a common interface, and to open standards. The device will also need to pass through content protection flags from cable operators.

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skd5aner:

still could mean anything – but, doesn't explicitely look like a step in the wrong direction

[21:07:08]

skd5aner:

and – why do you always have to bring up my least fav. topic sphery :'(

[21:16:31]

sphery:

Right, but the "pass ... content protection flags" part seems to indicate it needs to support things like HDCP and/or "copy freely/copy once/copy never" flags or, at minimum, ICT, which--as I see it--would indicate that support from devices with Linux drivers is unlikely. Or, the device would only work on some stuff with Linux (where there were no flags).

[21:17:07]

sphery:

the latter would be worse than the current--as MythTV and the scheduler would have no way of knowing if it would be able to record any program (unless SD starts including "protection flags" data in its listings data)

[21:17:29]

devinheitmueller:

It's all about how it's defined. For example, Macrovision basically works like that, but there is pretty much zero support for Macrovision in any of the Linux drivers (and nobody seems to care)

[21:23:08]

jolaren:

Seems mythfrontend stopped responding on my server

[21:23:17]

jolaren:

How can I restore the session using the terminal?

[21:23:19]

kormoc:

jolaren: it must not like you

[21:23:34]

jolaren:

/usr/bin/mythfrontend gives me (zenity:4873): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:

[21:23:40]

jolaren:

access from ssh

[21:23:56]

skd5aner:

what distro are you using?

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jolaren:

Mythbuntu

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jolaren:

I could reboot I guess but I have a lot of recordings scheduled

[21:25:05]

skd5aner:

you can't use ssh because it's not connected to the X session

[21:25:40]

skd5aner:

I don't use mythbuntu, but you could either reset (big hammer) or try something like service gdm restart – not sure if gdm is used on mythbuntu

[21:25:46]

sphery:

you could--as the user who's supposed to run mythfrontend, and the user who's currently running the X server--do: export DISPLAY=:0 && mythfrontend

[21:25:59]

skd5aner:

or that

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sphery:

reset/reboot makes sense, too

[21:26:20]

jolaren:

sphery: It does but I have a lot of recordings active

[21:26:38]

skd5aner:

jolaren – when you start up, does it automatically log you in?

[21:26:46]

sphery:

restarting X/GDM/whatever wouldn't affect them

[21:27:01]

jolaren:

skd5aner: it does

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skd5aner:

sphery: in mythbuntu when it starts the wm, doesn't it launch mythfrontend automatically?

[21:27:56]

jolaren:

export DISPLAY=:0 && mythfrontend

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jolaren:

did the trick

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jolaren:

thanks lad

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sphery:

something does

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sphery:

I don't know which level of the many layers is doing the actual starting, though

[21:28:23]

skd5aner:

sphery's technique is technically the "rigt" way

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sphery:

I wouldn't say that...

[21:29:33]

sphery:

depending on many distro-specific configuration things (i.e. who/what normally starts thing), it may have left stuff running or whatever

[21:29:33]

skd5aner:

I use an .xsession file, so if mythfrontend kicks the bucket, my xsession restarts, and automatically restarts gdm, my wm, and mfe

[21:30:08]

sphery:

yeah, mine is similar (though a slightly different implementation)

[21:30:23]

skd5aner:

so, if something happens else happens, and it doesn't end the session, I can usually do a "service gdm restart" to get it back to normal pretty easily from ssh

[21:30:42]

skd5aner:

need to look at using some lirc macro or something down the road to make it wife-friendly to restart the frontend

[21:31:10]

sphery:

Ctrl-Alt-Backspace ?

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skd5aner:

well, I literrally mean mapping that (or something) to a button on a remote

[21:32:01]

skd5aner:

"push the green button honey"

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jolaren:

I dont know why the frontend keeps freezing

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jolaren:

I've changed the recording rules for the cards so it uses 5x if on same mux

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sphery:

Yeah, I wouldn't want to waste a remote button on that

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jolaren:

works fine for all computers on the network except for teh server

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skd5aner:

sphery: my remote has logical buttons

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sphery:

at least not without using LIRC modes (which are plenty confusing for everyone)

[21:32:56]

sphery:

ah, like a Harmony?

[21:32:59]

sphery:

with LCD

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skd5aner:

well, I had a harmony – worked nice for a while, but then kicked the bucket, and I upgraded to this: http://www.mynevo.com/html.php?page_id=345

[21:33:39]

jolaren:

do you guys think that has anything to do with it? the recoridng thingy

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sphery:

skd5aner: cool. hadn't seen that one before

[21:35:25]

skd5aner:

that being said, I've yet to program it yet because I've got too much on my plate and there's a bit of a learning curve, so I've been using an IR keyboard and a logitech di novo mini BT keyboard for about a year

[21:35:36]

sphery:

if someone builds an RF one that just sends an RF signal to the computer (versus the Harmony's RF to an IR repeater approach), I'd be very interested in it.

[21:36:24]

skd5aner:

yea – the cool thing about it is it has RF extender, that allos me to put 7-IR blasters to it

[21:36:42]

skd5aner:

I got it because when I built my house, I wired it entirely for distributed video

[21:36:54]

** sphery would call those IR transmitters **

[21:37:14]

skd5aner:

and I wired so I can either directly extend IR to my wiring room, or use the connect to do it for me

[21:37:38]

skd5aner:

yea, blasters/transmitters – tomato/tomato (proceed to sing song)

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sphery:

since a blaster implies that it blasts a signal strong enough to reach any device in the area by bouncing off walls in the room (or at least blasts a signal strong enough to reach any devices with a line of sight to the transmitter from a reasonable range)

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sphery:

I'm very pedantic about that term, though

[21:38:08]

kormoc:

sphery: you haven't watched starwars have you? A blaster has no accuracy!

[21:38:13]

sphery:

all blasters are transmitters, but some transmitters aren't blasters

[21:38:25]

sphery:

kormoc: heh, didn't know about that

[21:38:37]

skd5aner:

vendor uses term "blaster" – eh, either way – you get the point: http://www.mynevo.com/html.php?page_id=347

[21:38:48]

sphery:

right, I was calling the vendor wrong--not you

[21:38:52]

kormoc:

sphery: blaster's are what the storm troopers use :)

[21:39:13]

skd5aner:

kormoc: I love all the blaster accuracy jokes/memes :D

[21:39:14]

sphery:

but since 99% of people always say blaster, I'm on the losing side of the battle

[21:39:19]

sphery:

kormoc: heh, cool

[21:39:34]

sphery:

I'll have to use that to support my argument

[21:40:16]

skd5aner:

sphery: truth be told, I guess I almost always say "transmitter" – just was reading the page, and the fingers typed what they say this go around, so now you can say 98% ;)

[21:40:27]

iamlindoro:

Han Solo has a blaster too

[21:40:35]

iamlindoro:

And he shot first

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sphery:

heh, I just found http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Welcome,_newcomers

[21:40:37]

kormoc:

that's true

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sphery:

"Wookiepedia"

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sphery:

skd5aner: welcome to the cause!

[21:41:09]

** kormoc wonders if it talks about the wookie jesus **

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sphery:

wow, they have a wiki for everything

[21:41:47]

iamlindoro:

still partial to lostpedia :)

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sphery:

yeah, that one I use a lot

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iamlindoro:

It's always good to have an army of rabid lost fans to connect the dots for you

[21:43:51]

jolaren:

Why should I activate the codecs provided in mythbuntu control center?

[21:44:03]

sphery:

yeah, I don't want to make the time to do it myself

[21:44:40]

iamlindoro:

Unless you use some external player, you shouldn't, since they have nothing to do with myth

[21:46:20]

Jester05:

hello gentlemen and possibly ladies

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jolaren:

iamlindoro: thanks for the clarifications

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jolaren:

There's no Swedish user here with Boxer perhaps? =) Was thinkin if anyone knew in their head what channels that are sent on the same mux

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gbee:

Jester05: there _are_ ladies present

[21:52:34]

bjd:

jolaren: how did you get on with your remote?

[21:52:34]

Jester05:

haha good to know

[21:52:34]

jolaren:

gbee: that's the only reason I spend my ass infront of the irc

[21:52:41]

Jester05:

haha

[21:52:54]

Jester05:

being an engineer I'm used to only being surrounded by men

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jolaren:

bjd: remote is useless.. can't haev it plugged in even.. have to disable it in options.conf

[21:53:02]

Jester05:

men and smelly indian woman..

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Jester05:

:-x

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jolaren:

bjd: causes the entire system to mailfunction

[21:53:15]

bjd:

:/

[21:53:24]

jolaren:

malfunction*

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bjd:

Hm, waht firmware are you using?

[21:53:33]

bjd:

what even

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jolaren:

The one included in the kernel I guess

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Jester05:

I need to build a new frontend .. I want to dual boot into mythbuntu/dora and windows

[21:53:45]

jolaren:

1.20 i preume tho

[21:53:47]

bjd:

1.20 i guess – it's broken -

[21:53:53]

bjd:

replace it with 1.10

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bjd:

find a 1.10 and rename it to 1.20 ;p

[21:55:01]

jolaren:

I ordered a remote from China last week

[21:55:02]

natanojl:

jolaren: I am, but I'm also off to get some sleep :). Anyway, see http://teracom.se/Sandarinformation/Frekvenstabeller/ for your location

[21:55:03]

jolaren:

I'm waiting for it now

[21:55:15]

jolaren:

natanojl: Thank you sir

[21:55:18]

Beirdo:

bork bork bork

[21:55:44]

natanojl:

=)

[21:55:57]

Beirdo:

I miss the muppets

[21:56:26]

Beirdo:

and yes, I know, it's likely slightly offensive to true Swedes, but the Swedish Chef is funny

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jolaren:

Oh, he was a Swede?

[21:57:10]

jolaren:

I totally missed out on that

[21:57:16]

natanojl:

I don't mind

[21:57:19]

** iamlindoro is one of three people capable of watching Swerdish TV in MythNetvision **

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Beirdo:

heh.

[21:57:27]

natanojl:

Yeah, sure I am

[21:57:39]

jolaren:

I was raised in the US tho and I watched the muppetshow all the time

[21:57:44]

jolaren:

even went out on their waterpark thingy

[21:57:54]

jolaren:

I guess there's plenty of em in the US but I remember it like it was yesterday

[21:57:56]

Beirdo:

and you don't remember the Swedish Chef?

[21:58:01]

Beirdo:

bork bork bork

[21:58:02]

Beirdo:

:)

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jolaren:

I can't recall him beein Swedish but I remember the character indeed

[21:58:24]

jolaren:

btw I just laughed my ass off

[21:58:28]

jolaren:

I'm watchin television yeah..

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natanojl:

iamlindoro: I haven't heard anything from them yet, maybe I should try and call them

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Beirdo:

of course, he was actually speaking gibberish mostly

[21:58:42]

natanojl:

Any, I must get some sleep now

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jolaren:

and I'm watchin this sex-ed kinda show where they go out on the streets askin ppl ackward questions

[21:58:51]

iamlindoro:

natanojl: Maybe so-- it would be nice to be able to include that, the content is quite good

[21:58:51]

natanojl:

s/Any/Anyway/

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jolaren:

and a guy who has his kid on my workplace got intervjued

[21:59:19]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: cute scandinavian women galore?

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jolaren:

iamlindoro: what channels can you see on that thingy?

[21:59:33]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: I've seen a few :)

[21:59:52]

** natanojl gets some sleep **

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Beirdo:

nice

[22:00:18]

Beirdo:

Viking decendant women FTW :)

[22:00:46]

kormoc:

In soviet Scandinavia, Viking women pillage you!

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Beirdo:

kormoc: yeah, and we enjoy it.

[22:01:07]

Beirdo:

heh

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jolaren:

Tho I'm Swedish and all.. I dislike Swedish gals

[22:02:31]

jolaren:

I prefer exotics gals from the middle-east

[22:02:31]

Beirdo:

well, I hope you aren't married to one then

[22:02:37]

kormoc:

That's okay, ship them all to Rob Smith, 1234 1st Ave, Seattle, Wa...

[22:02:44]

Beirdo:

hehehe

[22:02:52]

iamlindoro:

Girls with loose sexual morals apply within

[22:03:23]

kormoc:

The application is hard and fulfilling

[22:03:39]

Beirdo:

OK, down boys :)

[22:04:11]

jolaren:

I can't decided if I should fry some bacons

[22:04:16]

jolaren:

It's quite late but I'm hungry n sick

[22:04:31]

Beirdo:

Mmmm, fried pig :)

[22:05:01]

Hymie:

iamlindoro: hey dude .. so, I've sort of completed my investigation into what was causing my slowdown. Some of it was on my end, some of it is just the way myth works now, do you want a list of what I found, as a FYI?

[22:05:02]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Speaking of bacon, my friends bought me a case of... bacon chocolate bars

[22:05:08]

kormoc:

Yum!

[22:05:11]

jolaren:

I remember watchin television when I lived in Dubai

[22:05:13]

jolaren:

That was sick

[22:05:37]

jolaren:

Had all channels in the livin room.. CSI Miami was sweet-as-hell.. Black squares over every piece of skin while walkin down the beach

[22:06:00]

Beirdo:

bacon... chocolate bars?!

[22:06:09]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: They're delicious!

[22:06:15]

iamlindoro:

Little hunks

[22:06:17]

Beirdo:

OK.

[22:06:19]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:06:19]

iamlindoro:

salty and sweet

[22:06:34]

Beirdo:

and I get called odd for liking PB & bacon sandwiches

[22:06:58]

Beirdo:

bacon's good with anything ;)

[22:07:04]

kormoc:

especially bacon!

[22:07:14]

Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

pb & cheddar is pretty good too, BTW

[22:07:35]

Beirdo:

oh oh...

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jolaren:

I remember eatin philly cheese steaks everyday when livin in the US

[22:07:44]

** Beirdo is showing his French Canadian side **

[22:07:49]

jolaren:

I still miss the taSte of that

[22:08:32]

Beirdo:

toast with PB & cheddar. yum

[22:08:33]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:08:36]

iamlindoro:

#8187 is a slippery slope

[22:08:36]

jolaren:

Don't you guys love philly cheese steaks?

[22:08:50]

iamlindoro:

especially since a big hunk of the code is mine and I don't care to be there

[22:08:53]

Beirdo:

they are OK, but I'm not near Philly

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Beirdo:

iamlindoro: why would we need credits, exactly?

[22:09:44]

kormoc:

jolaren: Pat's or Geno's?

[22:09:52]

iamlindoro:

Don't know... I for one don't care about being credited, at least not in a file

[22:10:07]

Beirdo:

some people want the "glory" I guess

[22:10:19]

Beirdo:

and the associated potential lawsuits?

[22:10:20]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:10:40]

jolaren:

kormoc: both i guess :P

[22:11:16]

kormoc:

jolaren: If you don't know, you haven't had a real Philadelphia cheese steak.

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jolaren:

kormoc: I was little tho.. there was this food court

[22:11:35]

Beirdo:

kormoc: or you've forgotten since :)

[22:11:37]

jolaren:

I can't for the life of me rememer the name fo the place

[22:11:40]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: Closed it wontfix, not because I don't appreciate it, but simply because I don't want to maintain it going forward

[22:11:47]

kormoc:

oh lord, food court is bad

[22:11:52]

Beirdo:

yeah, good choice, iamlindoro

[22:12:07]

jolaren:

they were totally great tho kormoc

[22:12:25]

kormoc:

Nope! Can't compare!

[22:12:36]

Beirdo:

kormoc: sometime I'll go to Philly and have the real thing(s)

[22:12:37]

Beirdo:

:)

[22:12:42]

Beirdo:

not this week though

[22:12:56]

kormoc:

Beirdo: I prefer Geno's FYI, cheese wiz + ketchup and stinkers

[22:13:13]

jolaren:

I just really can't decided now whether I should fry some baacon

[22:13:19]

iamlindoro:

I went to grad school in Boston, where they also lay claim to the "Philly Cheese Steak"

[22:13:20]

jolaren:

I have nothin to make to em.. I mean I have to eat only bacon

[22:13:22]

jolaren:

+ diet coke that is

[22:13:26]

iamlindoro:

which you're not allowed to call that-- it's a "steak and Cheese"

[22:13:30]

Beirdo:

I'll try all types once :)

[22:13:50]

justinh:

mm steakandcheese.com

[22:13:51]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: they have the "Boston Cheese Steak" :)

[22:13:54]

gbee:

eww, fake cheese

[22:14:06]

jolaren:

There's no such thing as a Philly Cheese Steak here in Sweden...

[22:14:11]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: Heh, don't remember anyone calling it that there :)

[22:14:18]

kormoc:

jolaren: you have cheese and beef and rolls, no?

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Beirdo:

and fried onions (in some recipes)

[22:14:35]

iamlindoro:

Ah, you mean a Fromage and Reindeer

[22:14:37]

iamlindoro:

;P)

[22:14:45]

jolaren:

kormoc: I haven't seen any restaurant who'm serve something that can even bee refered to as a cheese steak

[22:14:54]

jolaren:

haha

[22:15:01]

Beirdo:

restaurant? Get out the frying pan :)

[22:15:04]

jolaren:

Polarbear kebab

[22:15:25]

Beirdo:

I bet reindeer is actually quite good eats

[22:15:33]

Beirdo:

similar to other venisons

[22:15:40]

gbee:

read a while ago that the original "Cheese Steak" is actually made with real cheese

[22:15:42]

iamlindoro:

I would lose a lot of respect for swedes if they hurt Polar Bears

[22:15:47]

iamlindoro:

poor bears have it bad enough as is

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Beirdo:

just don't tell the kids at Christmas

[22:16:05]

iamlindoro:

gbee: it is :)

[22:16:06]

jolaren:

Beirdo: If you ever come to Sweden I'll let you follow me n me lads huntin

[22:16:11]

jolaren:

We shoot reindeers n eat them

[22:16:14]

Beirdo:

"have a Rudolph Burger"

[22:16:43]

Beirdo:

or a Blitzen Steak

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Beirdo:

hehe

[22:16:59]

jolaren:

Hehe

[22:17:10]

jolaren:

Acctually I've only eaten reindeer a few times

[22:17:12]

gbee:

it's amusing that there is apparently such a battle over who 'invented' a cheese and steak sandwich ... two common ingredients, not exactly the discovery of the century

[22:17:34]

jolaren:

gbee: I still love it tho so I'd say I have disagree

[22:17:37]

Beirdo:

gbee: yeah, leave it to the Americans to fight over something so... simple :)

[22:17:39]

jolaren:

It's the greatest sandwich there is

[22:17:39]

kormoc:

gbee: the main places in philly are across the street from each other, it's amusing to see the folks get in fights over it

[22:18:03]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Think it's the association with a staple food that they're after :)

[22:18:13]

jolaren:

I really shouldn't be dicussion food :P I guess I'll have to fry the bacon now

[22:18:17]

Beirdo:

I dunno, jolaren...

[22:18:18]

jolaren:

Gonna check to see if I have some eggs

[22:18:23]

jolaren:

scsrambled eggs + bacon

[22:18:24]

jolaren:

mmmh

[22:18:28]

Beirdo:

a good meatball sub's pretty sweet too

[22:18:37]

jolaren:

yer so common in sweden tho

[22:18:49]

Beirdo:

heh, true.

[22:18:49]

jolaren:

if you havent' tasted swedish meatballs then you haven't really eaten meatballs at all

[22:19:19]

Beirdo:

Oh, I have

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kormoc:

at ikea!

[22:19:29]

Beirdo:

of course :)

[22:19:30]

jolaren:

Yeah

[22:19:30]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:19:31]

jolaren:

that's a hot tip

[22:19:34]

Beirdo:

and elsewhere

[22:19:40]

Beirdo:

but definitely at Ikea

[22:19:41]

iamlindoro:

So anyone catch "The Pacific" last night? Series gonna be *Good*

[22:19:49]

jolaren:

Last time I visited Miami you could acctually buy meatballs there (to take home) not from the cafeteria that is

[22:19:58]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: nah, back in *no TV* land

[22:19:59]

jolaren:

from ikea

[22:20:06]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: Boo!

[22:20:13]

Beirdo:

stupid crappy OTA bleh

[22:20:20]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Think you will like it when it makes it over there (I recall you liked Band of Brothers)

[22:20:37]

Beirdo:

and I don't wanna pay to hookup cable when I hope to move in a month or less

[22:20:54]

Beirdo:

but I will add that to my "you should watch" list

[22:21:16]

gbee:

iamlindoro: ooh, just hope it airs on one of the FTA channels and it's not locked up by Sky

[22:21:43]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: plus, will still be going for ten weeks so you could probably catch the whole thing by the time you got cable hooked up

[22:22:00]

Beirdo:

cool

[22:22:12]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Yeah, *very* similar formula... sort of a slow start like the first episode of BoB, but overall very enjoyable

[22:22:13]

jolaren:

btw one thing I do miss bout the US

[22:22:19]

jolaren:

is beein able to buy kegs

[22:22:26]

Beirdo:

?!?!

[22:22:32]

jolaren:

kegs with beer?

[22:22:35]

Beirdo:

no kegs in Sweden?

[22:22:38]

jolaren:

no

[22:22:41]

iamlindoro:

Because you never know when you'll need 150 servings of beer

[22:22:43]

Beirdo:

they don't fit in the Volvo?

[22:22:49]

gbee:

bought Generation Kill on DVD back around Christmas, purely based on 'The Wire' connection, I've yet to watch it

[22:23:00]

iamlindoro:

gbee: I'm told that's very good, haven't seen it either

[22:23:07]

jolaren:

iamlindoro: if your havin a party or w/e :P tho i'd keep a keg in me house if there were kegs available

[22:23:18]

Beirdo:

but why aren't they available?

[22:23:22]

Beirdo:

makes no sense to me

[22:24:02]

Beirdo:

Mmmmm, beer

[22:24:16]

iamlindoro:

I have 24 Stella in the kitchen I need to burn through

[22:24:26]

gbee:

saving it for a rainy day when I've nothing else to watch, it's only a 7 ep mini-series

[22:24:27]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:24:32]

jolaren:

Beirdo: the state has monopoly on the alchol distrubution

[22:24:35]

jolaren:

distribution

[22:24:38]

Beirdo:

and?

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gbee:

eww, Stella

[22:24:57]

Beirdo:

it does in other places too (like in most if not all of Canada)

[22:25:37]

iamlindoro:

yay, stella!

[22:25:40]

Beirdo:

Stella's not bad, gbee... iamlindoro IS American, at least it's not Bud :)

[22:25:58]

kormoc:

most of the US as well

[22:26:08]

kormoc:

Yengling!

[22:26:12]

gbee:

I've become a beer (ale) snob, there was once a time when I'd have rated Stella above most everything else normally found on tap

[22:26:12]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:26:15]

** kormoc weeps for his missing beer **

[22:26:31]

Beirdo:

gbee: yeah, but for swill, it's a pretty good swill

[22:26:49]

Beirdo:

or something like that

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gbee:

Stella is indeed a better lager than any of the major US ones, so I can see the appeal

[22:27:12]

iamlindoro:

My Triathlong team has a camping trip this coming weekend-- a good chance to burn off excess beer

[22:27:20]

iamlindoro:

s/Triathlonh/Triathlon/

[22:27:24]

iamlindoro:

s/h/g/

[22:27:33]

Beirdo:

camping + beer + cigars + scotch

[22:27:34]

Beirdo:

:)

[22:27:38]

Beirdo:

that's a good time

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iamlindoro:

mmm, scotchy scotch scotch

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Beirdo:

booze + fire = fun

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skd5aner:

You know you're a die hard camper when you've used cheap ass vodka in place of lighter fluid

[22:28:15]

Beirdo:

I wish I could find single malt here... ANY single malt

[22:28:15]

iamlindoro:

Still have several bottles of Scotch Whisky I brought back from Scotlan a few years ago, too

[22:28:26]

iamlindoro:

but that's for a special occasion

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Beirdo:

ooooh, yum. cask strength?

[22:28:43]

iamlindoro:

yep

[22:28:50]

Beirdo:

cool

[22:29:01]

Beirdo:

the best you can find here is blended...

[22:29:09]

jolaren:

Beirdo: and? well they decide what licor taht is bought in

[22:29:10]

skd5aner:

where is "here"?

[22:29:15]

iamlindoro:

Not that there's anything wrong with a good blend

[22:29:24]

jolaren:

in the US wallmart can sell alcoholic beverages

[22:29:24]

Beirdo:

it's basically Johnny Walker or nothing... Blue is OK, but way overpriced

[22:29:28]

jolaren:

and control their own merchandise

[22:29:30]

skd5aner:

single malt isn't *that* hard to find

[22:29:33]

Beirdo:

skd5aner: Puert Rico

[22:29:35]

kormoc:

jolaren: depends on the state, most states that's not true

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skd5aner:

oh... well, maybe there – I guess EVERYTHING is imported :)

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** gbee did the obligatory distillery tours in Scotland last year, Glenlivet and .. damn forgotten the other, one of the little indies though **

[22:29:54]

kormoc:

jolaren: and you're saying, in Sweden, there's no kegs for sale for personal usage?

[22:30:00]

Beirdo:

well, all Scotch is imported or it ain't worth drinking

[22:30:21]

Beirdo:

because that's one time when "if it ain't Scottish, it's CRRRAP" is true :)

[22:30:24]

jolaren:

kormoc: thats what I'm sayin.. I mean if your a restaurant you can order kegs for ue in the bar

[22:30:35]

kormoc:

that's absurd

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Beirdo:

so get licensed :)

[22:30:51]

iamlindoro:

Aw c'mon, some of the bourbon whiskey's aren't bad at all

[22:31:08]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: true, but they are NOT scotch :)

[22:31:15]

Beirdo:

completely different flavor

[22:31:15]

iamlindoro:

snobby ;)

[22:31:21]

gbee:

kormoc: not all that surprising, his part of the world like most that far north with long dark nights (and days) has a high rate of alcohol abuse – jolaren correct me if I'm wrong

[22:31:22]

iamlindoro:

yes, different flavor

[22:31:25]

iamlindoro:

but still nummy

[22:31:26]

Beirdo:

they are still good, but not the same thing

[22:31:44]

iamlindoro:

For my money, and bearing in mind that I'm Irish, I prefer Irish Whiskey

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skd5aner:

this is starting to remind me of my college roomate – what a snobby "whiskey" drinker he was – "scotch is what normal people call it" :P

[22:32:02]

jolaren:

gbee: true

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Beirdo:

hehe. fair enough, iamlindoro. Be true to yer roots.

[22:32:13]

iamlindoro:

Smeels like Grandma

[22:32:15]

jolaren:

gbee: the state controls everythin due to the risc of abuse etc

[22:32:19]

iamlindoro:

s/Smeels/Smells/

[22:32:22]

gbee:

skd5aner: well which was it, Whiskey or Scotch ... :p

[22:32:31]

Beirdo:

hehehe

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I didn't know the Irish were picky ;)

[22:33:00]

Beirdo:

OMG

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skd5aner:

I kid, I kid

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iamlindoro:

You don't have to be picky when everything you produce is awesome ;)

[22:33:26]

gbee:

nope, you've done it now skd5aner

[22:33:27]

Beirdo:

don't say that within swinging distance. :) Especially after they've had their whiskey

[22:33:50]

Beirdo:

honestly, Irish Whiskey's good stuff too

[22:33:52]

iamlindoro:

especially redheaded women...

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skd5aner:

gbee: I would call it scotch, but I was never a "scotch" man, I preferred spirits

[22:34:07]

gbee:

Beirdo: so .... that would be any time of day then?

[22:34:24]

iamlindoro:

Racists! ;)

[22:34:32]

Beirdo:

gbee: hehe. quite possibly :) Canadians ain't much better on that one

[22:34:38]

jolaren:

btw for you guys who r intressted.. i fried a package of bacon and i'm consumin it now

[22:34:45]

skd5aner:

hey – love me the redheads... I will drink to that!

[22:35:00]

gbee:

skd5aner: I was teasing, Whiskey with an e is Irish, Whisky is Scottish (scotch)

[22:35:01]

Beirdo:

iamlindoro: don't worry, we're just jealous

[22:35:13]

iamlindoro:

It's not easy being God's chosen people

[22:35:27]

Beirdo:

gbee: ahhh, I knew it was one way or the other, forgot which

[22:35:30]

skd5aner:

My wife knows that if she had an irish accent, then she could be called "perfect" ;) hehe

[22:35:33]

iamlindoro:

I grew up with my father constantly preaching that there were two types of people in the world, those who are Irish, and those who wish they were

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jolaren:

the Boondock Saints soundtrack is quite a drinkin song aswell

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Beirdo:

heheh

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skd5aner:

gbee: lol – exactly, are you sure your name isn't "Clint"? lol

[22:36:44]

Beirdo:

OK, now I want scotch. Bah

[22:37:08]

Beirdo:

Guinness would do too, but I'm not paying the exhorbitant prices here

[22:37:09]

iamlindoro:

Beirdo: I have a GIANT bottle of JW black on my counter that's been sitting for ages

[22:37:15]

iamlindoro:

have a sip

[22:37:21]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:37:29]

Beirdo:

JW Black is tolerable... barely

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skd5aner:

Honestly, I thought it was cool how much he knew, but talk about becoming a snobby drinker – speaking of camping and drinking, he had to bring his crystal snifter he got in Scotland camping so he could properly enjoy his $150 single malt

[22:37:42]

Beirdo:

Red is best used as cleaning solution

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iamlindoro:

My ex was a Scotch addict

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skd5aner:

no other glass would do! In the middle of a national forest

[22:38:02]

iamlindoro:

Having a big bottle kept things working smoothly

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Beirdo:

skd5aner: OMG, crazy person

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Beirdo:

when camping, I'd use ANY container to drink scotch

[22:38:33]

Beirdo:

as long as it ain't the one with my cigar ash in it

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kormoc:

$150 single malt!?!?! That's just irish dribble, not a proper scotch!

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Beirdo:

same goes for rum, vodka... :)

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** iamlindoro glares at kormoc **

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skd5aner:

Meanwhile, I was pouring dark eyes vodka to get the fire going for the brats ;) (of course, that was not for drinking)

[22:39:20]

iamlindoro:

That's just the kind of thing I'd expect froma filthy Smith!

[22:39:25]

gbee:

kormoc: well he did say they were students :)

[22:39:31]

** kormoc laughs **

[22:39:36]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:39:46]

jolaren:

iamlindoro: scoth addict.. my god :P I get soo baked from scotch

[22:39:52]

Beirdo:

I'd make do with $150 bottle

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kormoc:

I'm totally not a scotch drinker, I have no idea what a good scotch is worth

[22:40:05]

Beirdo:

the decent ones started around there (in Ontario)

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skd5aner:

I tend to drink top-shelf too, but for me – I can get a great vodka for $30–50 and be perfectly satisfied. It's like a scotch is only as good as it's price tag and there's always a "more expensive" one out there

[22:40:28]

Beirdo:

and Ontario had slightly lower prices than WA at the time

[22:40:57]

Beirdo:

Scotch is only as good as its flavor, and your preference of said flavor

[22:41:31]

Beirdo:

the $40 bottles were just booze

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skd5aner:

I didn't say we were students when this happened, but I guess you infered by "roomate" I must have meant students – in which case, yes he *was* my college roomate, but this was years later

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Beirdo:

:)

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gbee:

skd5aner: ahh

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skd5aner:

well, I guess at the time he was going back to grad school – see, he's meeting all snob profiles ;)

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kormoc:

We barely afforded Yuengling when I was in college

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Beirdo:

in college, I drank Labatt 50

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Beirdo:

any Canadians in the crowd may now make fun :)

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** kormoc points and HaHas **

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jolaren:

btw, I guess none of you lads use dvb-t.. but I bought a 15 usd usb card from dealextreme (from china free shipping) that had support in kernel

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skd5aner:

why limit it to Canadians?

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Beirdo:

hehe, yer not QUITE Canadian, kormoc

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Beirdo:

have you ever tried 50? :)

[22:43:32]

** kormoc laughs **

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skd5aner:

Of course, I know of lots of people who made due with Natty Ice ::shivver::

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sphery:

iamlindoro: nice work on the new/updated Arclight. Love it. The watermarks pop!

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kormoc:

Beirdo: Aye, I've sampled many of your fine canadian offerings over the years

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sphery:

(but my background seems to be corrupt... I'll figure that one out later)

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Beirdo:

50 was known for being drunk by.... old people... rugby players... and University of Waterloo Engineers

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Beirdo:

kormoc: I figured you had :)

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Beirdo:

I was the third of those

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Beirdo:

lukewarm 50 was the beer of choice for boatracing, BTW

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sphery:

iamlindoro: really, though, I love the updates. (Took me a while to get around to updating my dev box.)

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Beirdo:

and RDV didn't comment on our beer of choice.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

but we've come a long way since then...

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gbee:

jolaren: some of us do

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Beirdo:

as kormoc can attest :)

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** kormoc laughs **

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** Beirdo likes hoppy beers now. **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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skd5aner:

lately, I've been enjoying Fat Tire

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Beirdo:

MMM, IPA :)

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Beirdo:

anyways

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jolaren:

gbee: just wanted to tip :P

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Beirdo:

I should actually leave work.

[22:51:13]

jolaren:

gbee: cuz it's really cheap

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jolaren:

I wonder tho how many card I can have with a splitter without screwin up the channels

[22:51:55]

skd5aner:

That's a completely "it depends" answer

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jolaren:

yer ofcourse

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jolaren:

I only have like max 5% signal strenght with 1 card

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jolaren:

50

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jolaren:

:P

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jolaren:

Only havin two tuners really suck

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jolaren:

Specially when you have four tvs and the kids got a netbook each

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jolaren:

Constantly havin to view shit on tv

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jolaren:

tryin to record stuff durin the night

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jolaren:

so I can view it without usin the tuners

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kormoc:

kick the kids out to play

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** skd5aner sings "I want my MythTV (.23)" to the tune of "Money for Nothing" **

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jolaren:

kormoc: Heh :-)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, haha, thanks, glad you like it, I think I like it better than way too

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jolaren:

3g mobile connection + mythtv equals love for me :-) Beein able to view tv @ work and when traveling is the best thing ever =D

[23:02:37]

jolaren:

btw does anyone know if there's any real difference between Hauppauge WinTV NOVA-T 500 and the Hauppauge WinTV NOVA-T 500-HD.. I know both play HD equally as good but the HD version can be purscahed for 20 euros less

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jolaren:

I have a Hauppauge WinTV NOVA-T 500 atm

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jolaren:

oh my mistake

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jolaren:

I read on about it now

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jolaren:

the only difference is that you get a CD with the HD codecs

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jolaren:

lol

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jolaren:

just dno what to do with all of em remotes :D

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gbee:

ebay

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jolaren:

yer not what i meant

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jolaren:

i meant all the remotes from the hauppage wintv nova t cards

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kormoc:

ebay

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iamlindoro:

ebay.se!

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jolaren:

Oh, think people will buy the remotes ? You have to have a hauppage card to use em

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jolaren:

iamlindoro: :P you know ebay.se was a huge flop in Sweden so ebay bought a swedihs site called tradera.se (I know the creator of that site very well) I work with him nowadays on a side-project

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jolaren:

:P

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iamlindoro:

I did not know, but definitely could have gone on not knowing

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jolaren:

knowin is everythin

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gbee:

jolaren: you don't need a Hauppauge remote to use the cards, they use standard RC5 IR codes/frequencies so you can use them with any IR receiver

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sphery:

I thought knowing was only /half/ the battle...

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gbee:

and yes, people will buy them on ebay

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iamlindoro:

the rest is shooting people

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jolaren:

gbee: oh really?

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jolaren:

wonder where you can buy a RC5 ir receiver in sweden

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sphery:

jolaren: a homemade IR receiver works fine

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sphery:

jolaren: http://lirc.org/receivers.html

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jolaren:

buildin me own would be fun as hell

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jolaren:

but i have no spare time for that :(

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iamlindoro:

Where does all the time commenting for hours a day in IRC come from?

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jolaren:

work

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iamlindoro:

an IRC receiver is about 10 minutes work

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kormoc:

build the receiver at work

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sphery:

much harder to minimize the soldering iron when the boss walks by

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jolaren:

hehe so true sphery

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sphery:

Do you smell burning resin?

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jolaren:

but I guess I could

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jolaren:

atm I maintain a website / work in a kindergarten

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jolaren:

so I guess that would be a fun project for the kindergarten

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jolaren:

8 years old would go crazy bout some ironing

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kormoc:

"Here you go little johnny, smell that lead? That's the smell of brain damage!"

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jolaren:

haha

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sphery:

Today in art class, we're going to build an infrared receiver!

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sphery:

Everyone take out your soldering irons and turn them to high.

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jolaren:

Heh, we have this american football game

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jolaren:

I fixed that with a saw and some spikes

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jolaren:

they were totally amazed

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iamlindoro:

sphery, nice, then only one of them needs to succeed

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sphery:

lol

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kormoc:

Johnny was a chemist's son, but Johnny is not more. What Johnny thought was H2O was H2SO4

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sphery:

that's the first chemistry poem/joke I've ever found funny

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jolaren:

I'm thinkin more like Dexters Laboratorium

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kormoc:

Heh, my grandpa used to say that all the time

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jolaren:

btw got tips on a good netbook dist? ubuntu unr/ubuntu persay really doesnt work well with my lg x110 (a wind u100) clone

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Coded1:

hello all

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jolaren:

hello Coded1

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Coded1:

I have an amd 4000+x2 cpu and an integrated ATI 3200HD GPU I am currently running win 7 because last years drivers were so bad I couldn't get it to load a desktop, its for my parents HTPC and just really need video acceleration for downloaded movies and ripped 1080p content, will the 3200hd cut it?

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Beirdo:

Arrrr, matey

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Coded1:

It doesn't really matter if most of the heavy lifting is done by the cpu just as long as the content is smooth, I have various rips from raw vc-1 to h.264 and they all need to run nice :)

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kormoc:

Coded1: please read the channel rules in the topic, we don't support pirated content

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Coded1:

just because its downloaded does not mean it is pirated ;) but how about all my media *less* any possible questionable content?

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Coded1:

will a machine with these specs be able to handle 720p – 1080p content encoded in vc-1 or MPEG4 format?

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** Beirdo hands kormoc the ceremonial trout **

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Coded1:

*running linux – myth of course :)

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oobe:

Coded1, do you mean in mythtv or in win 7

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k-man:

is there a "myth radio"? module for mythtv?

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kormoc:

k-man: nope

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Beirdo:

k-man: not last I heard

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Coded1:

i dont think I would have the balls to ask win7 questions here ;)

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oobe:

ok then that should work without using video acceleration

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Beirdo:

you wanna write it? :)

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k-man:

Beirdo: i actually wouldn't mind giving it a go – it might not be too difficult maybe?

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iamlindoro:

oobe, uh, no

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oobe:

i playback HD on a P4 using no xvmc or vdpau

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kormoc:

oobe: not h264

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Beirdo:

k-man: it might not be, I haven't looked into it though

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k-man:

Beirdo: i was thinking more along the lines of listening to streamed radio stations rather than over the air radio

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iamlindoro:

at bitrates of approximately nothing, perhaps

[23:47:05]

Beirdo:

ooooh, that's different

[23:47:20]

iamlindoro:

That system with an ATI GPU won't manage high bitrate content well at all

[23:47:25]

k-man:

Beirdo: i fiddled around with asterisk for a while and managed to set up music on hold using streamed audio from the nets

[23:47:27]

Beirdo:

not sure, but I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard

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iamlindoro:

but an nVidia GPU and get HW accel, or give up

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iamlindoro:

s/but/buy/

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Coded1:

iamlindoro, cool thanks for the heads up

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iamlindoro:

np

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k-man:

the trickyest part is working out how to stream your favourite radio station using ffmpeg or similar

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Beirdo:

mplayer does a decent job of almost every stream I've thrown at it

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iamlindoro:

Micah Galizia has shoutcast/net radio patches for MythMusic-- most of the code is changes to libavcodec and libavformat, which he is working to get in upstream

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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iamlindoro:

also, an MMS implementation is one of the ffmpeg GSoC projects for this year-- so between those two and the MythMusic rewrite, streaming radio should be easily doable six months or so down the line

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Beirdo:

how about realplayer streams :)

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k-man:

Beirdo: oh maybe i used mplayer – i forget now ;)

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iamlindoro:

what streaming protocol do they use?

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Beirdo:

rtsp, I think, not sure

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k-man:

mythmusic is too complex for listening to raido imho, i mean the ui is. with radio you just want to hit a few buttons and get your favourite station to start playing

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iamlindoro:

someone is working on an RTSP implementation in ffmpeg ATM too

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sdf45_roc:

you all live in a freakin' WORLD OF YOUR OWN, in your OWN FREAKIN' PARADISE! IT"S REALPLAYER GUYS — IT USES THE DEVIL TO STREAM!!!!!!OM

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sdf45_roc:

THE R#_)@#$)@# DEVIL

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iamlindoro:

k-man, as previously mentioned, Mythmusic is being rewritten from scratch

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Beirdo:

I'd like to see a MythRadio that would do both streaming and tuned, personally :)

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kormoc:

was he waiting for days to say that?

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Coded1:

out of these cards which one is the best deal? http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/catego . . . &Recs=10

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Beirdo:

but however it fits in would be good

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Beirdo:

kormoc: what a strange character

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k-man:

iamlindoro: that was not a criticism of myth music, only a comment that imho, it would be nice to have a very simple quick way to play predefined stations, and mythmusic's ui does not lend itself to that approach

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k-man:

iamlindoro: but i hear what your saying

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iamlindoro:

k-man, I'm just saying that making a determination based on a UI that is unwritten yet is a bit hasty ;)

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Beirdo:

:)

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oobe:

Coded1, http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . p;CatId=3585 i didnt look at all of them but this looks reasonable

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k-man:

iamlindoro: you might be right there :)

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oobe:

that will be more than enough

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Beirdo:

make it look like an audio amp with a CD changer and radio, etc :)

[23:54:51]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

complete with a volume knob that goes to 11

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oobe:

i would look for hdmi support too if you have a tv with hdmi

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Coded1:

oobe, ya just though of that, its running via hdmi right now

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Coded1:

would need to buy more wires and converters if I went with the cheap cards so maybe its worth the extra couple bucks

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