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| [00:00:20] | iamlindoro: | as if you make an A->A cable, it's not USB any more-- the whole point of USB is that the host and peripheral sides are different |
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| [00:01:03] | iamlindoro: | anyway, again, DirecTV all doable via USB.. and I am starting to feel like justinh that we are becoming your personal wiki search engine |
| [00:01:20] | iamlindoro: | IRC should be your last resort, not your first one |
| [00:01:45] | kormoc: | http://www.usb.org/about/faq/ans5 , "if you try this with an illegal A to A USB cable, you'll short the two PCs' power supplies together, possibly destroying one or both machines or causing a fire hazard." |
| [00:01:59] | iamlindoro: | heh, yup |
| [00:02:51] | iamlindoro: | The DirecTV control is done as two USB to serial adapters via null modem connection |
| [00:03:04] | kormoc: | welp, I'm out |
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| [00:25:44] | wagnerrp: | justinh: to be fair, at least one of the 'official plugins' isnt actually a plugin either |
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| [00:33:57] | kmdm: | Hi all – just wanted some quick clarification... whatever I read seems to suggest that if I have a seperate BE, the FE should be pointed at it... does this mean the FE should be pointed at itself for the local backend, or at the MBE? |
| [00:34:23] | wagnerrp: | nothing should be pointed at the BE |
| [00:34:31] | wagnerrp: | everything should be pointed at the database |
| [00:34:41] | wagnerrp: | and then from information in the database, it decides where to go from there |
| [00:36:14] | kmdm: | wagnerrp: I'm just migrating from combined FE/BE to a separate FE and BE setup... just trying to make sure I get it right ;) |
| [00:36:38] | wagnerrp: | the only information mythtv stores outside the database... is how to access the database |
| [00:37:24] | wagnerrp: | aside from that, the MBE is just selected as the machine that matches the IP of the MBE given in the database (and in the first page of mythtv-setup) |
| [00:37:51] | wagnerrp: | for most tasks, youre going to be accessing the MBE for everything |
| [00:38:04] | wagnerrp: | the only thing the frontends would connect to the SBEs for are file transfers |
| [00:39:29] | kmdm: | right |
| [00:39:52] | kmdm: | and on the frontends if i create say a recordings storage group, that FE would store its recordings there? |
| [00:40:01] | kmdm: | rather than the MBE? |
| [00:40:11] | iamlindoro: | Frontends don't perform any recording |
| [00:40:20] | iamlindoro: | and you can't create a storage group on a frontend |
| [00:40:21] | iamlindoro: | so no |
| [00:40:44] | kmdm: | sorry, I meant SBE |
| [00:40:53] | wagnerrp: | then correct |
| [00:41:04] | kmdm: | ta :) |
| [00:41:18] | wagnerrp: | however for most people, they would just be using the 'Default' group |
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| [00:41:38] | wagnerrp: | and you should not have duplicate paths in storage groups |
| [00:42:01] | wagnerrp: | if you have storage on two separate backends, mount them as separate paths |
| [00:42:48] | wagnerrp: | similarly if they are shared among each other using NFS, only create it on the BE that actually has the disks, dont create multiple SGs for the same folder |
| [00:43:19] | ** kmdm nods ... ok ** | |
| [00:43:25] | wagnerrp: | the other backends will automatically inherit those folders, and be able to record to them if that folder is found on the local file system |
| [00:44:05] | kmdm: | took me a while to work out why the FE couldn't see the videos i'd moved around, then I noticed the rename script hadn't renamed the host in the videometadata table (and I had moved the videos from the old combined FE/BE to the newly created MBE) :) |
| [00:45:14] | iamlindoro: | what rename script is that? |
| [00:45:33] | kmdm: | sorry, realised that was vague... the --change_hostname in the db restore script |
| [00:45:46] | ** wagnerrp prods sphery ** | |
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| [00:46:26] | sphery: | that was for the host column, and it's since fixed |
| [00:46:38] | sphery: | since MythVideo (and one other plugin) used host instead of hostname |
| [00:46:45] | wagnerrp: | ah, right |
| [00:46:52] | wagnerrp: | i remember something about that from a couple months back |
| [00:46:56] | sphery: | I think you might have originally told me about that |
| [00:47:45] | sphery: | but actually, you can (and, probably should) use the same paths for all hosts with storage groups |
| [00:47:56] | sphery: | you /must/ use the same paths if the path exists on all hosts |
| [00:48:29] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i mean if you have one disk on each backend, those should not be mounted in the same place |
| [00:48:59] | wagnerrp: | especially not if you intend to share them with NFS |
| [00:49:10] | sphery: | i.e. if you use /srv/mythtv/tv/recordings on the master backend and you use /srv/mythtv/tv/morerecordings on the remote backend and the remote backend also has a srv/mythtv/tv/recordings, the remote backend will use both srv/mythtv/tv/recordings /and/ /srv/mythtv/tv/morerecordings |
| [00:49:28] | sphery: | bad copy/paste on some missing / before the srv on there, but didn't feel like fixing |
| [00:50:16] | sphery: | yeah, if you use NFS, then, yeah, each file systems should appear at the same location on all backends |
| [00:50:53] | sphery: | but I have the exact same paths used on both of my backends and yet each backend has its own file systems (and can not read the file systems from the other backend) |
| [00:50:58] | wagnerrp: | additionally, you should not be recording to the root mount |
| [00:51:06] | sphery: | definitely not |
| [00:51:08] | wagnerrp: | so if for whatever reason that disk is not mounted |
| [00:51:13] | wagnerrp: | mythtv knows to simply not record there |
| [00:51:14] | sphery: | always a subdirectory of the mount point |
| [00:51:21] | sphery: | yep |
| [00:51:28] | wagnerrp: | rather than risk recording to (and possibly filling) an incorrect partition |
| [00:51:54] | sphery: | but all remote backends inherit the directory list defined for the master backend, so ideally, you define the dir list once and only once on the master backend and never even enter Storage Directories in the remote backends |
| [00:52:43] | sphery: | (only issue with that is if you do have separate file systems on the separate backends currently it will show the master backend hostname for all file systems in the status page, but it's a display issue, only--it actually sees them as separate) |
| [00:53:02] | sphery: | I plan to fix that, just haven't done it, yet |
| [00:53:51] | sphery: | with the define-once-on-mbe approach, you only have to change the dir list once when you move things around (and always on the mbe) |
| [00:53:59] | kmdm: | my last silly question of the day is with storage groups setup to be able to play the videos from MythVideo do I need nfs mounts? (I would just try it, but i'm not at home and doing things via vnc / ssh) |
| [00:54:16] | wagnerrp: | no, nfs is not needed |
| [00:54:22] | kmdm: | ok :) ta |
| [00:54:25] | ** sphery should modify the mythtv-setup program to always list (and not allow editing or deleting) the dir list from the master backend ** | |
| [00:54:40] | sphery: | (so on remote backends, you always see what you inherit) |
| [00:54:57] | sphery: | and make it editable only on the mbe |
| [00:55:23] | wagnerrp: | has anyone ever done a benchmark of mythproto vs. nfs? |
| [00:55:49] | sphery: | yep, several times |
| [00:56:13] | sphery: | If you let me know which you want to be better, I'll get you a link to the appropriate one. :) |
| [00:56:34] | sphery: | bjm swears by mythproto, danielk swears by nfs |
| [00:56:34] | ** kmdm grins ** | |
| [00:56:36] | wagnerrp: | no, just curious |
| [00:57:13] | sphery: | I use mythproto just because NFS is so temperamental |
| [00:58:16] | sphery: | (meaning that clients do not like when the server disappears for any reason--and may not recover from it properly) |
| [00:58:30] | sphery: | though that could well be my own ignorance of proper NFS config |
| [01:03:19] | kmdm: | hm – well i appear to have migrated from a combined MBE/FE to a SBE/FE without breaking anything... that'll do for tonight :) cheers for the help |
| [01:03:28] | kmdm: | MBE + SBE/FE * |
| [01:04:53] | sphery: | enjoy |
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| [01:12:23] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well a quick test, seems im getting ~50MB/s over NFS, ~40MB/s over mythproto (and python) |
| [01:12:30] | wagnerrp: | id call '40' good enough for me |
| [01:12:45] | wagnerrp: | ...put the quotes in the wrong place there |
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| [01:15:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: cool... not bad |
| [01:15:31] | wagnerrp: | thats just dumping straight to /dev/null |
| [01:16:20] | sphery: | bjm's argument is more that mythproto allows reading with knowledge of app usage whereas the generic nfs only reacts to requests |
| [01:16:28] | sphery: | so probably not so much a throughput thing |
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| [01:19:20] | jams: | mythproto always stutters for me..nfs doesn't have any of those problems |
| [01:20:24] | jamesd2: | i went with iscsi it seems must more usable for mythtv, at least with Solaris server, and linux client |
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| [01:24:14] | rimad: | hey guys, got a problem with terratec cinergy pci dvb-c card... actually i dont know if its a card but i get lots of "broken" pixels and audio is squeaking... |
| [01:24:24] | rimad: | like signal is bad but when i check its at 98% |
| [01:31:11] | rimad: | anyone? |
| [01:32:02] | wagnerrp: | signal quality is more important than signal strength |
| [01:32:15] | wagnerrp: | do you have any splitters or amps in line before your tuner card? |
| [01:32:15] | iamlindoro: | and biterror |
| [01:32:32] | rimad: | wagnerrp...hey its me from the other day ;) |
| [01:32:35] | rimad: | we talked about this |
| [01:32:46] | rimad: | i tested my "cable" and all with another box...works perfectly fine |
| [01:32:47] | wagnerrp: | then the answer is still the same |
| [01:33:13] | wagnerrp: | there may be problems with the internal LNA inside the tuner |
| [01:33:47] | rimad: | is there anything i can do about it? |
| [01:33:56] | wagnerrp: | ive heard of that being disabled, causing problems on other cards |
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| [01:42:34] | rimad: | ? |
| [01:43:09] | wagnerrp: | ive heard of poor tuning in other cards, because the driver was not properly activating the internal amp |
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| [01:43:29] | Cubber: | I updated to mythtv-0.22_p23069 on gentoo a couple of days ago, everything seems to be working fine however I just went to delete a bunch of recordings and they keep poping back up in the program list, they also are not getting deleted from the hard drive. This worked fine in the older version |
| [01:43:38] | sphery: | Cubber: do you have slow deletes enabled? |
| [01:44:03] | sphery: | if so, it's a known issue on 0.22-fixes |
| [01:44:17] | sphery: | and they'll disappear when you let the backend finish deleting them |
| [01:44:20] | Cubber: | yes I do |
| [01:44:23] | rimad: | wagnerrp, is there any DVB-C that has some native linux drivers...something that will work 100% |
| [01:44:39] | wagnerrp: | dont really know anything about dvb-c hardware |
| [01:44:41] | Cubber: | sphery should I disable the slow deletes or keep it and just check back in a hour? |
| [01:44:54] | wagnerrp: | are you using ext3? |
| [01:45:13] | Cubber: | wagnerrp yes |
| [01:46:00] | sphery: | Cubber: also, upgrade to r23604 or higher: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 2%20;#424903 |
| [01:46:09] | sphery: | you're way behind current 0.22-fixes |
| [01:46:16] | Cubber: | after the update my xbmc mythtv functionality also broke, I take it becuase it is not in sync with the backend version anymore correct? |
| [01:46:36] | sphery: | your current version will work, but you have to give it time to finish the delete (up to 7min/GiB) |
| [01:46:51] | Cubber: | sphery ok thanks, I was just using the version from portage |
| [01:46:55] | sphery: | r23604+ won't show the issue you have |
| [01:47:12] | sphery: | actually, make it less pronounced |
| [01:47:17] | Cubber: | I can hold off until it is updated on gentoo, as long as I know they will be deleted in time |
| [01:47:43] | sphery: | yeah, just don't shut down your backend when it's busy deleting stuff and they'll delete fine |
| [01:47:53] | Cubber: | df -h shows the partition went from 37 – 35 gig, you are right it is just really really slow |
| [01:48:30] | sphery: | yeah, 0.23 will delete faster (at the slowest, 2min/GiB--0.22-fixes can take up to 7min/GiB, depending on system config) |
| [01:48:38] | sphery: | that is when using slow deletes |
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| [01:48:53] | Cubber: | I was told it is best to use slow deletes with ext3 |
| [01:49:04] | sphery: | I use slow deletes and ext3 |
| [01:49:47] | Cubber: | well thanks for the info |
| [01:51:08] | sphery: | y/w |
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| [02:22:09] | benomatic: | is there a way to convert my "mp4" encoded, nuv-wrapped files into "conventional" mp4 without loss of quality? or, is there a way to transcode from my original mpeg2 into another conventional format that will still work w/ the normal tv player setup? |
| [02:22:35] | wagnerrp: | nuv is just that, a wrapper |
| [02:22:45] | wagnerrp: | you can remultiplex it into any container that supports your codec |
| [02:23:21] | wagnerrp: | if your original files are mpeg2 (mpeg encoder or digital tuner), you may want to consider doing a 'lossless transcode' |
| [02:23:22] | benomatic: | does ffmpeg or some other tool support transport the content into another wrapper? |
| [02:23:29] | wagnerrp: | which just clips commercials and leaves it an mpeg2 |
| [02:23:34] | benomatic: | i already do a lossless transcode for commercial removal |
| [02:23:45] | wagnerrp: | and you get a nuv? so you have a framegrabber |
| [02:24:02] | benomatic: | but need substantial size reduction, so i then do a mp4 transcode as well, leaving me w/ a nuv |
| [02:24:21] | wagnerrp: | if you need to transcode, you should probably consider using an outside tool like nuvexport |
| [02:24:27] | wagnerrp: | the internal transcoder is very limited |
| [02:24:30] | benomatic: | i have an hvr-1600, ftr |
| [02:25:00] | wagnerrp: | it will only encode to mpeg4 asp, which is not drastically better than mpeg2 |
| [02:25:14] | wagnerrp: | and will dump to a nuv, which is generally not very desireable |
| [02:25:29] | benomatic: | it == nuvexport? |
| [02:25:29] | wagnerrp: | if space is your only concern, you should be using h264 |
| [02:25:41] | wagnerrp: | it == mythtranscode |
| [02:25:49] | benomatic: | si |
| [02:25:54] | wagnerrp: | im listing issues with the internal transcoder |
| [02:26:05] | wagnerrp: | as a reason to use an external transcoder, like nuvexport |
| [02:26:06] | benomatic: | gotcha. just making sure i'm keeping up :) |
| [02:27:43] | benomatic: | as an aside, if i do setup sth like nuvexport as a transcoder, is there any reason to do a mpeg2->mpeg2 lossless->final or can i go directly mpeg2->final w/ same result? |
| [02:32:41] | wagnerrp: | if the external tool allows use of cutlists, then dont bother with mpeg2-->mpeg2 |
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| [02:43:11] | rimad: | this sucks so bad... |
| [02:43:14] | rimad: | freakin hell |
| [02:43:27] | rimad: | $1100 HTPC and it wont work properly...bleh |
| [02:43:35] | wagnerrp: | rather expensive |
| [02:43:57] | rimad: | i know..casing costed a lot |
| [02:44:29] | wagnerrp: | sounds like about half the price of the whole box |
| [02:44:39] | rimad: | almost |
| [02:44:44] | wagnerrp: | you get one of those with a full LCD on the front? |
| [02:44:52] | rimad: | yea |
| [02:45:27] | rimad: | its so strange that this flickering started happening ... |
| [02:49:49] | rimad: | wagnerrp, can i use some external LNA? |
| [02:50:28] | wagnerrp: | generally its bad to arbitrarily amplify the signal |
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| [02:52:08] | wagnerrp: | i would get on the #linuxtv channel and/or linux-dvb mailing list, see if someone on there knows more about your card |
| [02:52:26] | rimad: | excellent, thanks |
| [02:52:31] | wagnerrp: | maybe try an external player (non-mythtv) just to make sure its not a mythtv problem |
| [02:53:10] | wagnerrp: | there are occasionally problems with how mythtv handles certain dvb cards |
| [02:53:26] | wagnerrp: | and if another program works, while mythtv doesnt, it may help to expose an issue in the driver |
| [02:54:06] | rimad: | tried vdr, kaffeine... |
| [02:54:32] | rimad: | its probably driver problem or something |
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| [03:44:52] | dizzy1: | is there anyone in the channel using the ir blaster with the wintv pvr 150? |
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| [03:55:58] | GTswagger: | Any recommendations for an easy to use script to export recordings out of mythtv while respecting commercial flagging? |
| [03:56:09] | GTswagger: | Nuvexport has slowly degraded to where it's not completely unusuable for me. |
| [03:56:16] | GTswagger: | s/not/now |
| [03:56:37] | [R]: | GTswagger: i think you need to transcode first |
| [03:57:17] | wagnerrp: | GTswagger: perhaps talk to Beirdo, he's got plans for updating nuvexport |
| [03:57:36] | wagnerrp: | might be able to lend some help |
| [03:57:43] | GTswagger: | wagnerrp: I was hoping for some crude something to get me by ... I want to export something tonight. |
| [03:58:21] | wagnerrp: | 'crude to get you by' would just be calling ffmpeg, or mencoder, or even handbrake directly |
| [03:58:43] | wagnerrp: | its fairly trivial to figure out where the recording is stored |
| [03:58:43] | GTswagger: | mythnuv2mkv vomits on the MPGs produced by my tuner (autodetects 0 audio channels, then cries) |
| [03:58:43] | GTswagger: | [R]: Correct; nuvexport sets up fifos with mythtranscode to nuke commercials |
| [03:59:28] | [R]: | why not just do mythtranscode directly? |
| [03:59:51] | wagnerrp: | if youve got mpegs currently, just do a lossless transcode in mythtv, and then transcode the file externally in your program of choice |
| [03:59:56] | wagnerrp: | should be all of 10 minutes of work |
| [04:00:03] | wagnerrp: | and a bit of waiting |
| [04:00:06] | GTswagger: | ugh |
| [04:00:24] | GTswagger: | See, I can't do that, because I've had quite a bit of liquor already, and that's too obvious. :) |
| [04:00:31] | GTswagger: | ;) |
| [04:00:49] | oobe: | lol |
| [04:01:29] | GTswagger: | Beirdo: Incidentally, I'd love to help if at all possible making nuvexport not suck with near black hole calibur force. |
| [04:01:52] | oobe: | stop drinking first |
| [04:02:20] | oobe: | thats meant to be friendly advice |
| [04:02:46] | iamlindoro: | learn to use gentle, considered language in a public channel where the author of said tool resides is my advice |
| [04:02:47] | wagnerrp: | oh come on... alcohol is helpful |
| [04:03:04] | wagnerrp: | http://xkcd.com/323 |
| [04:03:27] | iamlindoro: | Love the people who wander in and bad mouth software, apparently assuming the devs don't hang out here-- Por tip, nobody wants to hear from you or work with you when you bad mouth their work |
| [04:03:36] | iamlindoro: | s/Por/Pro/ |
| [04:06:59] | GTswagger: | *facepalm* |
| [04:07:13] | GTswagger: | any honest dev knows good and well they've got some suck hanging around in software-dom |
| [04:07:49] | iamlindoro: | nuvexport works perfectly *so long as you match it to the ffmpeg revision it specifies*, as has always been the case |
| [04:07:50] | GTswagger: | And good ones aren't so ego attached that they need to be pampered and gently stroked every time their code is talked about. |
| [04:08:28] | GTswagger: | I'd recommend never submitting patch to the Linux kernel if, as a coder, you're that sensitive. |
| [04:09:25] | iamlindoro: | GTswagger, if you're interested in being a part of *this* particular group, then I suggest moderating your words about the work of the authors |
| [04:09:55] | iamlindoro: | That's just how we work, you are welcome if you can show common courtesy |
| [04:11:09] | ** GTswagger facepalm ** | |
| [04:12:47] | sphery: | Any considerate person knows that bad-mouthing his own work is /completely/ different from bad-mouthing the work of others. |
| [04:13:16] | wagnerrp: | even if its badmouthing yourself from another alias |
| [04:13:31] | sphery: | so an honest dev may know he has some unfinished code (as no code is ever finished) that needs work, but he doesn't need to hear about it from others. |
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| [04:50:32] | wagnerrp: | how do so many people make duplicate tickets? |
| [04:53:32] | sphery: | I've been wondering the same |
| [04:53:52] | ** iamlindoro just wonders when he's going to upload the script ** | |
| [04:54:22] | sphery: | I think we should svn rm contrib |
| [04:54:32] | sphery: | put all the scripts in the wiki |
| [04:54:38] | sphery: | if users want to use them, they get them from there |
| [04:54:54] | sphery: | I may seriously suggest that and see if I can convince any other devs |
| [04:55:11] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i would give you a link, but it seems the xbmc wiki is down |
| [04:55:25] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, any idea whether it uses bindings? |
| [04:55:34] | iamlindoro: | or just hacks it together itself? |
| [04:55:39] | sphery: | what's with all the xbmc guys submitting tickets all of a sudden |
| [04:55:47] | wagnerrp: | heres the next closest thing... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/general/12857 . . . testing.html |
| [04:55:48] | iamlindoro: | think he's just an XBMC user |
| [04:55:48] | sphery: | #8127 was an xbmc guy, too |
| [04:55:53] | wagnerrp: | havent bothered looking at it |
| [04:56:00] | wagnerrp: | just saw the post a couple days ago |
| [04:56:07] | sphery: | yeah, 8127 may have been a user, too |
| [04:56:17] | sphery: | but still, why not just use MythTV with, er, MythTV |
| [04:56:36] | wagnerrp: | is he claiming to rename the recordings? |
| [04:56:46] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [04:56:48] | iamlindoro: | bad bad |
| [04:56:53] | wagnerrp: | he seems to be putting them in some directory structure |
| [04:57:01] | wagnerrp: | i didnt even know directories were supported |
| [04:57:01] | sphery: | yeah, renaming is bad |
| [04:57:05] | sphery: | directory structure is bad |
| [04:57:25] | iamlindoro: | looks like he moves the original recording, and puts a symlink in the myth recording directory, where the symlinked file is in myth format |
| [04:57:45] | sphery: | any guesses how many people in non-latin-character-using-areas have tested the script? |
| [04:57:49] | iamlindoro: | also seems to make a lot of use of the TMS id |
| [04:58:01] | wagnerrp: | ah, yeah... says that in the flow-chart |
| [04:58:03] | sphery: | how do you know it's using programid? |
| [04:58:10] | sphery: | ah, didn't read that, yet |
| [04:58:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: see above link |
| [04:58:11] | iamlindoro: | flow chart :) |
| [04:58:21] | sphery: | yeah, I was hoping for source, but it's not responding |
| [04:58:31] | sphery: | maybe that's why he's not uploading the script ;) |
| [04:58:47] | sphery: | matching on SD programid is not good |
| [04:59:21] | wagnerrp: | i didnt realize thetvdb even stored TMS IDs |
| [04:59:31] | sphery: | This should be an included mythtv feature. |
| [04:59:43] | sphery: | ok, well then put it /in/ mythtv if that's the case |
| [04:59:55] | sphery: | from http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/general/12857 . . . ml#post50845 |
| [05:00:11] | sphery: | which was from the author, it seems |
| [05:01:04] | ** iamlindoro considers infoneeded'ing the ticket ** | |
| [05:01:14] | sphery: | don't do it |
| [05:01:25] | sphery: | it will get a script when it gets it |
| [05:01:29] | sphery: | then it will be handled |
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| [05:16:32] | wagnerrp: | does mythbuntu wrap mythbackend in a script? |
| [05:16:55] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [05:17:06] | iamlindoro: | (TTBOMK) |
| [05:17:45] | wagnerrp: | so this wish to 'reserve exit code 0 for a deliberate, graceful shutdown, and instead using a non-zero exit code for other, non-graceful shutdowns and crashes' |
| [05:17:52] | wagnerrp: | really has nothing to do with mythbackend at all? |
| [05:18:01] | wagnerrp: | but the mythbuntu wrapper script |
| [05:19:19] | Wicked: | hmm. looking at the roadmap for mythtv...its saying 0.23 is 12 days late? was it supposed to be released on the 1st? is it close to release? it seems like 0.22 just came out |
| [05:19:34] | iamlindoro: | yes, and yes, and yes |
| [05:19:35] | wagnerrp: | yes, we are behind the anticipated release date |
| [05:19:41] | Wicked: | damn. |
| [05:19:47] | Wicked: | not used to the quick releases hehe |
| [05:19:48] | wagnerrp: | were waiting for a couple blocker tickets on trac to be resolved |
| [05:20:01] | Wicked: | damn |
| [05:20:10] | Wicked: | it really seems like 0.22 just came out |
| [05:20:39] | wagnerrp: | there is going to be a shift toward a more frequent release schedule |
| [05:20:48] | Wicked: | i remember hearing that |
| [05:20:51] | sphery: | unfortunately the stupid blocker tickets just aren't resolving themselves |
| [05:20:52] | wagnerrp: | (hopefully not with these long freeze times in the future) |
| [05:21:02] | Wicked: | ah |
| [05:21:31] | Wicked: | anything major in 0.23? or mostly fixes |
| [05:21:33] | ** wagnerrp grumbles about having to maintain multiple branches for various things hes working on and cant commit ** | |
| [05:21:42] | sphery: | not much changed |
| [05:21:50] | sphery: | new theme |
| [05:21:57] | iamlindoro: | new plugin, new theme, many fixes, event system |
| [05:22:02] | Wicked: | nice |
| [05:22:05] | sphery: | (Arclight), new plugin (MythNetVision) |
| [05:22:09] | sphery: | other than that, not much different |
| [05:22:16] | sphery: | ah, yeah, event system |
| [05:22:20] | iamlindoro: | ffmpeg sync |
| [05:22:20] | sphery: | that counts as different |
| [05:22:21] | Wicked: | ah |
| [05:22:24] | Wicked: | killer |
| [05:22:56] | wagnerrp: | <meek>new python bindings</meek> |
| [05:23:15] | sphery: | ok, that counts, too |
| [05:23:19] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [05:23:25] | sphery: | So, I think we have the official 0.23 release notes, here |
| [05:23:37] | wagnerrp: | last i checked, they were pretty much empty |
| [05:23:39] | iamlindoro: | new bindings is a big deal |
| [05:23:56] | iamlindoro: | especially if people actually start to do something worthwhile with them |
| [05:24:11] | iamlindoro: | (now that they are so capable) |
| [05:24:27] | Wicked: | yea |
| [05:24:44] | sphery: | Why use the bindings? Why not just use direct DB access from bash using the mysql command-line tool? |
| [05:25:18] | wagnerrp: | echo and pipe man... its the wave of the future |
| [05:25:42] | Wicked: | i just pieced together a new system....one of my nas's died....so i built a whole new rig...gonna make it into my myhtvbox |
| [05:25:55] | Wicked: | cant wait for the parts to get here |
| [05:35:56] | wagnerrp: | an i7? from newegg? |
| [05:36:14] | sphery: | I hear those are heavy-duty processors |
| [05:36:20] | wagnerrp: | solid brick of plastic you say? |
| [05:36:23] | sphery: | great for radiation protection, too |
| [05:36:31] | sphery: | that would be the fan |
| [05:36:39] | sphery: | the proc is metal--looks lead like |
| [05:36:45] | sphery: | (on bottom) |
| [05:36:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: dont worry, yours is only lead lined |
| [05:37:16] | sphery: | better protection from corruption due to cosmic rays |
| [05:39:05] | Wicked: | no. its was a budger build..i had bought a premade nas from newegg a few months back and it ended up dying.....newegg refunded 300$...so i built a new rig for 350 |
| [05:39:36] | Wicked: | http://pastebin.com/6Jkn5bSE |
| [05:40:01] | Wicked: | i changed the ram to faster ram |
| [05:40:17] | sphery: | Wicked: btw, this is what wagnerrp was referring to: http://www.gearlog.com/2010/03/hands_on_fake_ . . . _i7-92_1.php |
| [05:40:22] | Wicked: | ah |
| [05:40:29] | Wicked: | right right. i had seen that on the reg |
| [05:41:04] | Wicked: | ah. that article you posted has more info though |
| [05:46:46] | sphery: | Wicked: nice system... Only real change I'd have made would have been to the PSU. I'd have gone 80 PLUS, instead |
| [05:47:23] | Wicked: | well. im strapped for cash...so in time i plan on upgrading the PSU and getting a nvidia card for VDPAU |
| [05:47:24] | wagnerrp: | i would change the whole case in general |
| [05:47:30] | Wicked: | i just couldnt afford it now |
| [05:47:39] | wagnerrp: | if youre going to spend $35 on a case + psu |
| [05:47:47] | Wicked: | wagnerrp, the case was cheap...and my main factor for buying |
| [05:47:51] | sphery: | I go for cheap cases without PSU and a separate 80 PLUS |
| [05:47:55] | wagnerrp: | youre better off just getting a couple free boxes from FedEx, and building one out of cardboard |
| [05:47:57] | sphery: | so my cases are all horribly ugly |
| [05:48:12] | wagnerrp: | then spend ~$40 on a low wattage 80+ PSU |
| [05:48:18] | Wicked: | the other cases that fit my critera.....6+ 3.5in hdd bays....where super ugly and full of leds |
| [05:48:33] | Wicked: | that one has what i want...was cheap. |
| [05:48:53] | wagnerrp: | youre probably less likely to get your hands cut up building one out of FedEx cardboard boxes |
| [05:49:12] | Wicked: | hehe |
| [05:49:28] | Wicked: | im psyched though...mythtv has always run on my desktop.... |
| [05:49:28] | wagnerrp: | is this a backend-only system? |
| [05:49:41] | Wicked: | i dont know how many times mythcommflag has bogged me down hehe |
| [05:49:54] | Wicked: | um. i hope to be be/fe |
| [05:50:06] | Wicked: | but right now i only have one sound system |
| [05:50:13] | Wicked: | and its on my main computer |
| [05:50:19] | wagnerrp: | most people want something smaller, and nvidia, hooked up to their TV |
| [05:50:28] | Wicked: | yup |
| [05:50:40] | Wicked: | but...i really need room for hdd's |
| [05:50:55] | Wicked: | plan on setting up raid5 once i get money for disks |
| [05:50:57] | wagnerrp: | size is more personal preference than anything else |
| [05:51:00] | Wicked: | yea |
| [05:51:01] | wagnerrp: | but good luck with the video |
| [05:51:12] | Wicked: | i can deal with big ugly box next to my tv |
| [05:51:41] | Wicked: | well right now im out putting to my projector |
| [05:51:49] | Wicked: | so hopefully the new setup will be nice and smooth |
| [05:52:12] | Wicked: | hooks up via umm...vga?...what ever the old blue monitor connector is |
| [05:52:40] | wagnerrp: | well just video playback on ATI in linux in general has never been ideal |
| [05:52:51] | Wicked: | does ati even have video processing apis? |
| [05:52:53] | wagnerrp: | but theyre getting better |
| [05:52:55] | Wicked: | something like VDPAU |
| [05:53:02] | wagnerrp: | certainly, in windows... |
| [05:53:16] | Wicked: | yea. my old old old ati used to cause kp's when using ati's official driver |
| [05:53:17] | wagnerrp: | the 4000-series cards recently got support in linux |
| [05:53:21] | wagnerrp: | last december i believe |
| [05:53:24] | Wicked: | nice |
| [05:53:41] | Wicked: | i have heard ati has opened up a bit to oss stuff and that ati drivers should improve in time |
| [05:53:43] | sphery: | putting the computer in another room and running cables through/around walls makes the case/size irrelevant |
| [05:53:46] | wagnerrp: | after they announced support a year and a half ago before people knew of VDPAU |
| [05:53:53] | sphery: | (and loudness) |
| [05:54:03] | Wicked: | very true sphery |
| [05:54:20] | Wicked: | but unfortunatly for me....it will be in the same room..most likely right next to my cable box hehe |
| [05:54:21] | wagnerrp: | s/walls/floors/ |
| [05:54:31] | Wicked: | will be a eye sore....but...its for myself..in my room |
| [05:54:34] | Wicked: | so i can deal |
| [05:54:45] | ** sphery hasn't tried putting the computer on the other side of his floor ** | |
| [05:55:04] | sphery: | something about the Florida-style concrete slab construction with no basements |
| [05:55:06] | ** wagnerrp has decided he cant even look at the backend wishlist to fix it ** | |
| [05:55:12] | wagnerrp: | theres just too much.... wrong, on there |
| [05:55:14] | Wicked: | well. maybe if im lucky 0.23 will drop as im building my new rig :) |
| [05:56:01] | sphery: | on the bright side, I think the fglrx drivers support 790GX still |
| [05:56:20] | sphery: | note, though, that fglrx are 32-bit only |
| [05:56:24] | Wicked: | ah. ill just be happy if it doesnt kp the machine |
| [05:56:27] | Wicked: | ;o |
| [05:56:30] | wagnerrp: | what? |
| [05:56:32] | sphery: | (they'll work on multilib 64-bit systems) |
| [05:56:34] | Wicked: | oh damn. they are? |
| [05:56:37] | sphery: | yeah |
| [05:56:38] | Wicked: | clowntown |
| [05:57:00] | sphery: | the FOSS drivers can be compiled 64-bit, but I don't know how good the 790GX support is |
| [05:57:01] | wagnerrp: | its a completely user-space hardware driver? |
| [05:57:29] | sphery: | well, user-space stuff in addition to the driver "glue" layer |
| [05:57:39] | wagnerrp: | did someone just copy that huge block of UPnP crap to all the wishlists? |
| [05:57:41] | Wicked: | i might just avoid it |
| [05:57:42] | Wicked: | lol |
| [05:57:52] | Wicked: | if it will output to my projector without it...i wont use it |
| [05:58:08] | sphery: | upnp stuff? |
| [05:58:33] | sphery: | yeah, the problem with new ati cards is that Xv is done with 3D hardware, which means they have to run before they walk |
| [05:58:44] | sphery: | 3D being the hardest part of the card to get working right |
| [05:58:58] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Feature_Wishlist_(Frontend_Addons) |
| [05:58:58] | Wicked: | ah |
| [05:59:18] | sphery: | that said, I love the ATI chipsets on AMD systems |
| [05:59:33] | wagnerrp: | that same block is there, is on the backend_addons page, i just deleted it from the new_plugins page |
| [05:59:38] | ** sphery guesses that 790GX is Evergreen: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature ** | |
| [06:00:44] | sphery: | maybe not... maybe it's still R700 |
| [06:01:53] | sphery: | evergreen is RV870, it seems |
| [06:02:10] | Wicked: | hm. |
| [06:03:13] | Wicked: | bah. its already 1am. |
| [06:03:22] | Wicked: | im off to watch tv before bed. cya! |
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| [06:16:20] | hipitihop: | along with myth on my mythbuntu setup, I'm also running an asterisk server...I'd like to organise for some pop-up/overlay similar to what myth does with channel osd etc ... is there something in myth that will help me or should I be looking at more standard stuff |
| [06:18:00] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Little_Gems#mythtvosd |
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| [06:20:55] | sphery: | hmmm... looks like there are 64-bit drivers for x.org 6.9 in there. 7.4 is 32-bit only. |
| [06:21:06] | sphery: | ls |
| [06:21:13] | sphery: | oops, wrong window |
| [06:21:46] | sphery: | like the "anything" you want in mythtvosd |
| [06:22:28] | sphery: | hipitihop: and there are plans to extend the notification support to work outside of playbakc |
| [06:24:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: other than the 690 drivers, the only 64-bit apps in there are fgl_glxgears, atieventsd, and amdnotifyui (of which there also exist 32-bit versions) |
| [06:26:22] | sphery: | total of 8 64-bit binaries (5 of which are X 6.9 drivers) and 45 32-bit binaries |
| [06:26:43] | hipitihop: | wagnerrp, sounds perfect, thanks ... sphery when is that planned for |
| [06:26:55] | sphery: | when someone gets time to write the code :) |
| [06:27:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah... was planned to be written already |
| [06:27:05] | sphery: | won't be in 0.23, quite possibly not in 0.24 :) |
| [06:27:07] | wagnerrp: | but you know how that goes |
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| [06:27:52] | sphery: | feel free to take on the task :) If interested (and self-motivated), let me know and I'll let you know who to talk to for direction. |
| [06:28:03] | hipitihop: | sphery, what language are these things in ? |
| [06:28:21] | sphery: | C++ using the Qt framework |
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| [06:33:51] | hipitihop: | sphery, motivated and interested and would love to pitch in, I dev for a living, but sorry don't do c++ or Qt |
| [06:35:56] | sphery: | yeah, between C++ and Qt and MythTV, there's quite a learning curve, so if you are interesting in working on MythTV, you'd be better off starting with a smaller project. |
| [06:36:19] | sphery: | but thanks for considering it :) |
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| [07:19:38] | oobe: | more and more people are using ipv6 |
| [07:19:49] | [R]: | it's the future |
| [07:19:58] | oobe: | yea |
| [07:20:05] | oobe: | im just surprised anyway |
| [07:20:23] | wagnerrp: | well... except for the fact that no one has ipv6 |
| [07:20:34] | wagnerrp: | maybe a couple resnet users |
| [07:21:27] | oobe: | i wouldnt know i just mean i noticed ipv6 ips a lot now on irc |
| [07:21:42] | wagnerrp: | its all people using tunnels |
| [07:22:01] | wagnerrp: | there may be a couple small ISPs doing IPv6 |
| [07:22:05] | wagnerrp: | but none of the majors |
| [07:22:25] | wagnerrp: | comcast is supposed to be the first big provider to start a trial in a couple months |
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| [07:22:33] | oobe: | that makes more sense |
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| [07:24:00] | [R]: | this is like the only time i ever wish i had comcrap |
| [07:24:42] | [R]: | has anyone here ever heard of a single city have multiple cable providers? |
| [07:24:52] | wagnerrp: | i kinda sorta do |
| [07:25:13] | wagnerrp: | im on the boundary between two providers |
| [07:25:23] | wagnerrp: | we used to have a good dozen providers around here |
| [07:25:36] | wagnerrp: | and there actually was some overlap in some areas |
| [07:25:45] | wagnerrp: | but they all either got bought up by one or the other |
| [07:25:54] | [R]: | in 1 city? |
| [07:26:11] | wagnerrp: | one company took north of the river, the other south |
| [07:26:22] | [R]: | ah |
| [07:26:36] | [R]: | tehres 2 in tucson... and i always thought it was odd |
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| [08:02:18] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro, sphery: seems hes got he script up on google code, and its a big 'ol bash script |
| [08:04:25] | wagnerrp: | rather, its several big 'ol bash scripts |
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| [08:07:33] | wagnerrp: | http://mythicallibrarian.googlecode.com/files/mythicalLibrarian seems to be the primary file |
| [08:08:14] | wagnerrp: | 85.5KB of bash.... thats just too much bash |
| [08:20:22] | wagnerrp: | seems it will actually work both ways |
| [08:20:32] | wagnerrp: | move the content to the new path and link back in |
| [08:20:38] | wagnerrp: | or link the content to the new path |
| [08:21:19] | [R]: | if I want to rename a directory in my mythvideo w/o losing the metadata... |
| [08:21:32] | wagnerrp: | what version of myth are you running? |
| [08:23:00] | [R]: | 22 fixes |
| [08:23:20] | wagnerrp: | then you will have to go into the database, and manually alter the paths for all the videos you are moving |
| [08:23:42] | [R]: | i guess a well placed sql satatement should work |
| [08:23:55] | [R]: | can i do regexes with update? |
| [08:24:27] | wagnerrp: | string processing in SQL exists, but is limited |
| [08:24:55] | wagnerrp: | its not using mythtv's API key |
| [08:25:01] | wagnerrp: | probably using XBMC's |
| [08:25:09] | wagnerrp: | (for thetvdb.com) |
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| [08:27:29] | wagnerrp: | aside from the ability to rename recordings (no no), i don't actually see anything else bad that its doing |
| [08:28:02] | wagnerrp: | aside from being 1800 lines of bash i have no desire to get stuck maintaining |
| [08:28:41] | Beirdo: | blah |
| [08:28:49] | Beirdo: | !help |
| [08:29:09] | Beirdo: | OK, so it's just something retarded with the hotel's internet connection |
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| [08:29:21] | wagnerrp: | maybe you should bash it |
| [08:29:23] | Beirdo: | I can't access my linode directly tonight |
| [08:29:25] | [R]: | well i suppose i could write a php script to do the updates |
| [08:29:40] | Beirdo: | had to login to the linode host and hit the console |
| [08:29:55] | wagnerrp: | [R]: you could probably manage it in SQL |
| [08:30:41] | wagnerrp: | i was somehow able to manually populate the title/series/episode/subtitle from the filenames when first switching to 0.22 |
| [08:30:50] | wagnerrp: | cant recall at all how i did it |
| [08:31:01] | [R]: | i could probably use REPLACE() |
| [08:31:02] | wagnerrp: | [R]: or if you can wait a few weeks and upgrade to 0.23 |
| [08:31:06] | [R]: | i just want to rename "Season 1" to "Season 01" |
| [08:31:13] | wagnerrp: | everything will just happen automagically |
| [08:31:16] | [R]: | lol |
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| [08:31:28] | wagnerrp: | (with a considerable wait as it hashes _all_ of your files) |
| [08:31:50] | wagnerrp: | and then goes back through and hashes them all again because you moved them |
| [08:32:03] | Beirdo: | mmmm. beer |
| [08:36:39] | Beirdo: | there it goes |
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| [08:56:01] | ** cesman is reminded of The Simpsons by Beirdo's last two comments ** | |
| [08:56:31] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:57:04] | Beirdo: | Seattle has good brewpubs, and microbreweries :) |
| [08:57:48] | Beirdo: | Ah screw YOU, American Airlines |
| [08:58:13] | Beirdo: | they won't let me checkin online because the first flight is operated by Alaska Airlines |
| [08:58:39] | Beirdo: | and THEY won't let me check in online because the confirmation is from SABRE not Alaska Airlines |
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| [09:03:38] | justinh: | good god. some retard has made a script to rename & move mythtv recordings, replacing actual files with symlinks. That's got FAIL written all over it |
| [09:03:53] | wagnerrp: | see backlog |
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| [09:04:52] | justinh: | almost everybody on mythtvtalk.com needs a good hard smack |
| [09:05:13] | justinh: | well apart from the 3 or 4 people who still answer questions there |
| [09:05:25] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [09:06:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah... i would say in order to even be considered for contrib |
| [09:06:34] | wagnerrp: | it would have to remove the ability to rename recordings |
| [09:06:49] | wagnerrp: | and it would have to pull information out of the existing ttvdb.py grabber |
| [09:07:05] | wagnerrp: | rather than rewrite it all in so many lines of bash |
| [09:07:24] | justinh: | I hope it stays an 'unofficial plugin' :D |
| [09:07:36] | justinh: | best possible ending |
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| [09:09:02] | justinh: | LOL a Lib Dem MP used to be play a Cyberman in Dr Who |
| [09:09:06] | wagnerrp: | sphery floated an interesting idea... delete contrib, and shuffle all that stuff onto the wiki |
| [09:09:09] | justinh: | s/be// |
| [09:10:01] | justinh: | wagnerrp: not a bad plan IMHO. people seem to get the impression everything in contrib is a) official and b) maintained |
| [09:10:30] | justinh: | oh not only that, people think they're a good idea.. which ain't necessarily so (mythrename.pl ?) |
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| [09:10:45] | wagnerrp: | mythrename.pl? whats that? |
| [09:11:08] | justinh: | you know what I mean. that vandal script had far too long a life IMHO ;) |
| [09:11:15] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [09:11:43] | justinh: | am I right in thinking sphery tamed it & made mythlink.pl ? |
| [09:12:02] | wagnerrp: | the only problem with moving stuff onto the wiki is that mediawiki complains when pages get over 32KB |
| [09:12:19] | wagnerrp: | but then that probably just excludes IE6 users from editing it |
| [09:12:38] | justinh: | lol |
| [09:12:52] | justinh: | BONG! MythTV wiki stops supporting IE6 |
| [09:13:19] | wagnerrp: | you get some warning... 'this page is over 32KB, and some clients may be unable to edit it. consider splitting it up.' |
| [09:13:23] | justinh: | hey that might do the wiki a lot of good long term. Stop it working with IE :D |
| [09:14:09] | justinh: | another thing though.. anything that isn't a helper script for official plugins shouldn't really be that big |
| [09:14:09] | wagnerrp: | ah, 'some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb.' |
| [09:14:13] | oobe: | apparently 90% of people only use IE to download FF anyway |
| [09:14:33] | justinh: | oobe: pfft. My parents still use it. Hell even people I work with still do too |
| [09:14:57] | justinh: | I found IE7 on a work laptop I had to use the other week. Sheesh. How does anybody put up with it? |
| [09:15:01] | oobe: | yes was a joke i saw they made a graph and all but i dont have the link |
| [09:15:11] | wagnerrp: | its still listed at ~10% usage |
| [09:15:26] | wagnerrp: | usage actually went UP in november |
| [09:15:50] | justinh: | I might just ban IE from my site |
| [09:18:15] | justinh: | even FF is only 9.77% usage on my own site, and that's #1 in the table |
| [09:18:38] | wagnerrp: | whats amusing is that in a couple months, IE7 will probably drop below IE6 in usage |
| [09:19:10] | oobe: | well ie8 is out now |
| [09:19:37] | wagnerrp: | has been for over a year |
| [09:19:56] | justinh: | wth? people still use AOL in the UK? LOL |
| [09:20:00] | wagnerrp: | hmm... conflicting numbers on browser usage |
| [09:20:21] | wagnerrp: | AOL still exists? |
| [09:20:36] | wagnerrp: | i thought time warner shed them some time back |
| [09:22:21] | justinh: | I dunno. just keep popping up in my web stats |
| [09:22:40] | justinh: | wish my host would get a proper stats package in. webalizer steenks |
| [09:23:04] | justinh: | or at least configure it better to filter out spiders, or whatever is interfering |
| [09:30:19] | Beirdo: | IE can eat me |
| [09:30:25] | Beirdo: | there, I said it |
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| [09:36:06] | kmdm: | Morning all :) Last night I migrated a combined FE/MBE to a SBE/FE + MBE ... now my rip/transcode dialog is missing the "Good" quality setting – what did I break? ;-) |
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| [11:59:21] | justinh: | just adding a backend to a myth system shouldn't involve any migration. pfft |
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| [12:04:12] | jduggan: | justinh: did you see the itvhd news |
| [12:07:52] | justinh: | they're binning it cos broadcasing 2 hrs of hd per day isn't worth it? |
| [12:16:08] | jduggan: | theyre launchig it as a simulcast rather than red button |
| [12:16:11] | justinh: | meh. launching in April, moving to a 'proper' channel. |
| [12:16:13] | jduggan: | on freeview/sky/vm |
| [12:16:19] | jduggan: | er |
| [12:16:21] | jduggan: | freesat |
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| [12:16:40] | justinh: | great, I'll be able to not watch the world cup of soccer in HD too :) |
| [12:17:19] | jduggan: | lol |
| [12:18:03] | justinh: | the last thing I watched on ITV was a thing about dogs with Martin Clunes |
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| [12:18:34] | jduggan: | heh |
| [12:18:42] | jduggan: | i watch champions league football :D |
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| [14:15:00] | fukdnscerd: | as far as functionality do you guys recommend gnash or adobe flash player |
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| [14:59:28] | justinh: | whichever works, I'd say. |
| [15:06:08] | fukdnscerd: | lol neither right now |
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| [15:10:53] | fukdnscerd: | ok now i got it working in google chrome, but not in mythweb |
| [15:10:56] | fukdnscerd: | any ideas |
| [15:15:37] | justinh: | suspect you mean mythbrowser. but no, no idea. I don't use web anything on my tv |
| [15:18:37] | fukdnscerd: | yes i did mean mythbrowser. and i only need it because mythnetvision so far refuses to download internet video, instead it opens in mythbrowser and mythbrowser seems to become unresponsive when trying to play flash vid. It wont let me exit either, I have to kill the frontend. |
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| [15:20:25] | justinh: | what *has* to be opened in a browser can only be used in a browser with MNV |
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| [15:21:10] | justinh: | if you have qt > 4.5 apparently plugins like flash should just work |
| [15:21:18] | justinh: | dunno where they need to be installed though |
| [15:22:21] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: A couple of things read the MythNetvision wiki on the unresponsive issue with flash and how to work around it. Second most sites do not allow their videos to be downloaded but there are a few and the grabbers properly allow those to be downloaded. Blip.tv being one of them. |
| [15:24:40] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: When a video can be downloaded the download option will appear in the menu ("m" key) |
| [15:24:52] | fukdnscerd: | i read the wiki, and it suggested using the mouse to fix the focus issue, but it doesnt seem to matter where i click, it just doesnt respond. I set up a couple of rss feeds that I used to use in mythnettv and it forced me to mythbrowser instead of downloading these videos. |
| [15:25:16] | fukdnscerd: | ok, Ill check out the download option |
| [15:26:48] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: While still in the MNV menu move the mouse to the very top of the screen then hit enter this will not allow flas to grab the mouse focus so esc will get you out of the video and back to MNV |
| [15:27:07] | RDV_Linux: | s/flas/flash/ |
| [15:28:21] | fukdnscerd: | still the same, |
| [15:29:59] | fukdnscerd: | ok, it worked the second time. Is that something on the buglist, or something we just have to deal with |
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| [15:33:36] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: From what I understand unwanted flash focus capture is an issue beyond MythTV. I do not believe MythBrowser can do much about it. It drove me crazy when I started using MNV but once I got used to how to get around it it became a minor issue. |
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| [15:36:19] | fukdnscerd: | well i would agree, only my frontend does not have a mouse! |
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| [15:38:48] | fukdnscerd: | has anyone found a way to cure the focus issue without a mouse |
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| [15:41:23] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: Believe me we asked the dev you supports MythBrowser if anything could be done. We are hoping to added playback for some video formats through the Internal and/or external players. It is in the MNV spec but not implemented yet. MNV is a beta plug-in, |
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| [15:44:04] | fukdnscerd: | thanks, i apologize if i seem pushy. Kids can drive you nuts sometimes lol |
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| [15:45:13] | fukdnscerd: | i wonder if anyone has gotten the wii mote to work as a mouse... |
| [15:46:10] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: np as I am sure the focus issue will be a constant complaints. I definitely saw the Wii mote mentioned on the mailing list not long ago. |
| [15:46:44] | fukdnscerd: | cool |
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| [15:57:34] | tgm4883: | Which mailing list should people subscribe to if they are running trunk? |
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| [16:05:07] | fukdnscerd: | mythtv-dev@mythtv.org |
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| [16:05:24] | tgm4883: | fukdnscerd, ok thanks |
| [16:05:54] | fukdnscerd: | np heres the subscription link http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-dev |
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| [16:17:52] | fukdnscerd: | in mythnetvision, is the "Save this video" option the one to use to download the video? |
| [16:19:41] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: I am not sure if that functionality is fully implemented so give it a try but do not complain if it does not work. |
| [16:20:17] | Dibblah: | WAnd commits, really. |
| [16:20:21] | Dibblah: | And, even. |
| [16:21:25] | fukdnscerd: | ok. I was thinking maybe it was an issue with my rss feed. Not very educated with rss feeds. Is there a certain type of video rss feeds that are supported? i cant find much info on this |
| [16:22:54] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: Try the RSS feeds from Rev3 they are varied and some of the best. |
| [16:25:08] | fukdnscerd: | ok, thats mostly what i watch. Guess I'll just have to watch in flash for now |
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| [16:35:11] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: You could try Mirobridge (see the wiki) that will do the downloads and use the regular MythTV interface. The Rev3 videos are in Miro. You have choices. |
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| [16:38:46] | antlarr: | hi |
| [16:39:14] | antlarr: | anybody knows how can I reorder the tv channels? |
| [16:39:42] | fukdnscerd: | does mirobridge do auto downloading? |
| [16:40:06] | tgm4883: | fukdnscerd, I believe there is as cron job for it |
| [16:40:24] | fukdnscerd: | ok |
| [16:40:39] | fukdnscerd: | thanks checking it out now |
| [16:40:50] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: You add a mirobridge cron job and that will do the autodownloads and integration with MythTV |
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| [16:43:03] | fukdnscerd: | Miro bridge looks pretty sweet, everything mythnettv should have done. Is this an official plugin? |
| [16:44:11] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: It is included in 0.22 as a contrib script. MNV is an official plugin that when completed will replace Mirobridge. |
| [16:45:23] | fukdnscerd: | ok, I like the way it used the view recordings screen and moves watched vids to mythvideo |
| [16:46:53] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: There are changes planned for the Myth db that will better integrate the recordings and mythvideo tables that will open up new possibilities for MNV. |
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| [16:52:32] | fukdnscerd: | sounds great, i cant wait |
| [16:54:11] | tmkt: | anyone know the new package for powersave in lucid to setup mythtv auto powerdown/up? |
| [16:54:28] | tmkt: | also..any idea what the solution is to aac/passthrough in lucid? |
| [16:54:48] | wagnerrp: | there is no aac passthrough in mythtv at the moment |
| [16:55:01] | tmkt: | ah |
| [16:55:07] | Beirdo: | oh crap |
| [16:55:14] | tmkt: | so a .23 thing? |
| [16:55:25] | Beirdo: | I forgot to grab socks from my suitcase before packing it |
| [16:55:26] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:55:27] | tmkt: | sorry about those questions anyhow..meant to ask them in ubuntu-mythtv |
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| [16:55:53] | tmkt: | yeah...in 22 all my ac3 videos passthroughed nicely |
| [16:56:01] | wagnerrp: | tmkt: there is no aac passthrough in trunk either |
| [16:56:25] | wagnerrp: | does anything even support aac over hdmi? |
| [16:56:37] | wagnerrp: | because certainly SPDIF doesnt |
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| [17:01:49] | tmkt: | i guess i mean ac3 |
| [17:02:34] | tmkt: | all my dvd's i ripped with handbrake and played w/.22 reported/played on my receiver as 5.1 |
| [17:02:43] | tmkt: | now they are all playing at dolby 2.0 |
| [17:02:57] | tmkt: | i'm guessing it probably is more related to the lucid upgrade then the 0.23 upgrade |
| [17:03:04] | wagnerrp: | go into the general playback settings |
| [17:03:13] | wagnerrp: | see if you set mythtv to '2.0' mode |
| [17:03:19] | wagnerrp: | causing it to downmix all content |
| [17:03:22] | tmkt: | but then again..when i use mplayer it plays the same file as 5.1 |
| [17:03:24] | tmkt: | ok..one sec |
| [17:03:25] | tmkt: | checking |
| [17:04:16] | tmkt: | yeah..I have ALSA:Default/5.1/Audio Processing Capabalitlies DD, DTS |
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| [17:04:36] | tmkt: | Upconvert is disabled |
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| [17:08:07] | fukdnscerd: | when mythtv is set up for 5.1, will that passthrough the 5.1 through line output or only digital? I had mine set up for 5.1 connected to my reciever through line output and i couldnt get the any vocals from the movie only ambience |
| [17:08:27] | wagnerrp: | it should pass through the 5.1 |
| [17:09:14] | Dibblah: | fukdnscerd: Do you have a center speaker? |
| [17:09:39] | fukdnscerd: | yes, I watch dvds in surround sound just fine with my wii |
| [17:09:45] | tmkt: | My Recordings and live tv play 5.1 np |
| [17:09:51] | wagnerrp: | the wii plays dvds? |
| [17:09:53] | fukdnscerd: | so im sure its not with my rcvr |
| [17:10:05] | fukdnscerd: | if you really want it too :-D |
| [17:10:12] | tmkt: | frontend logs mention unknown codec |
| [17:10:23] | tmkt: | 10-03–13 12:09:13.163 AFD: Opened codec 0x7f80bcaf17a0, id(H264) type(Video) |
| [17:10:26] | tmkt: | 2010-03–13 12:09:13.164 AFD: codec AC3 has 2 channels |
| [17:10:29] | tmkt: | 2010-03–13 12:09:13.164 AFD: Opened codec 0x7f80bc2aa280, id(AC3) type(Audio) |
| [17:10:32] | fukdnscerd: | btw speaking of which, when are we gonna get a mythfrontend for the wii lol |
| [17:10:32] | tmkt: | 2010-03–13 12:09:13.164 AFD Error: Could not find decoder for codec (Unknown Codec ID), ignoring. |
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| [17:10:35] | tmkt: | 2010-03–13 12:09:13.180 Opening audio device 'default'. ch 2(2) sr 48000 (reenc 1) |
| [17:10:38] | tmkt: | 2010-03–13 12:09:13.180 Opening ALSA audio device 'default'. |
| [17:10:57] | wagnerrp: | tmkt: frontend logs also mention 2-channel audio |
| [17:13:13] | tmkt: | yeah...i noticed that |
| [17:13:19] | justinh: | a frontend on the wii is somewhat optimistic isn't it? what with its virtually non-existent means of playing video |
| [17:13:29] | fukdnscerd: | there is even an mplayer for wii |
| [17:13:40] | justinh: | yeah but it's not very high performing |
| [17:13:46] | wagnerrp: | so no, the wii doesnt play dvds |
| [17:13:48] | fukdnscerd: | i play video just fine, xbmc has a port as well |
| [17:13:55] | wagnerrp: | the wii + homebrew plays dvds |
| [17:13:58] | tmkt: | mplayer plays it has 5.1 when i do passthrough, and the settings in handbrake are all to record as AC3 Dolby Digital 5.1 passthrough |
| [17:14:05] | tmkt: | Hmm |
| [17:14:18] | justinh: | anyway the wii's ui sucks |
| [17:14:24] | fukdnscerd: | wagnerrp exactly, which may i add, is perfectly legal |
| [17:14:33] | justinh: | at least for grown-ups it does ;) |
| [17:14:46] | fukdnscerd: | justinh: cant argue, i was only half serious anyway |
| [17:15:05] | fukdnscerd: | does mythtv implement a upnp server? |
| [17:15:13] | justinh: | yes |
| [17:15:13] | wagnerrp: | fukdnscerd: as much as unlicensed dvd decryption is anyway |
| [17:15:27] | wagnerrp: | fukdnscerd: but... it is rather limited |
| [17:15:30] | justinh: | but FWIW the U in Upnp should NOT stand for Universal |
| [17:15:38] | wagnerrp: | it will serve recordings, videos, and music |
| [17:15:44] | wagnerrp: | but it will not transcode any of them |
| [17:15:56] | wagnerrp: | so if its in a format your playback device does not support, too bad |
| [17:15:58] | justinh: | DNLA stands for "fat chance, you muppet" |
| [17:16:06] | fukdnscerd: | i see... |
| [17:16:18] | wagnerrp: | also, it runs its own scan for videos and music, rather than using their respective database tables |
| [17:16:48] | wagnerrp: | and IIRC, does not support storage groups for videos |
| [17:16:50] | justinh: | other upnp servers are available |
| [17:16:53] | justinh: | ;) |
| [17:17:09] | justinh: | and it's not as if any of the others are exactly heavy on resources |
| [17:17:29] | wagnerrp: | i believe one of the devs is currently working on an overhaul |
| [17:17:32] | fukdnscerd: | yeah i used to use one, pretty simple too, just point it to the media directory. cant remember what th name was tho |
| [17:17:45] | fukdnscerd: | just curious |
| [17:17:49] | tmkt: | vlc A\ Bugs\ Life.m4v |
| [17:17:49] | tmkt: | VLC media player 1.0.5 Goldeneye |
| [17:17:49] | tmkt: | [0xd6b888] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface. |
| [17:17:52] | tmkt: | [0x20564f8] a52 decoder: A/52 channels:6 samplerate:48000 bitrate:384000 |
| [17:18:03] | justinh: | hey if only there was a common API for really rich frontends over home networks |
| [17:18:20] | tmkt: | 6 channels |
| [17:18:33] | wagnerrp: | justinh: sounds like a job for Java! |
| [17:18:46] | justinh: | with hooks for video decoding :) |
| [17:18:57] | justinh: | oops. there I go, day dreaming again |
| [17:19:33] | justinh: | seen some of the UIs on new TVs & media players.. god they suck |
| [17:19:53] | justinh: | there's not a single appliance out there with a friendly UI |
| [17:20:30] | fukdnscerd: | except mythtv :), tho not exactly an appliance |
| [17:20:33] | justinh: | oh wait.. people still have vested interests in live media & what gets sold on discs |
| [17:20:39] | justinh: | mythtv is not an appliance. |
| [17:20:56] | justinh: | you can't buy a device with anything like mythtv embedded within it |
| [17:21:05] | justinh: | and don't say the boxee box because that also sucks |
| [17:21:14] | fukdnscerd: | lol, i got nothing |
| [17:21:37] | wagnerrp: | justinh: well people have tried, and devs even |
| [17:21:56] | justinh: | mythtv devs have tried to get mythtv onto appliances? |
| [17:22:13] | fukdnscerd: | doesnt sound like a bad idea to me |
| [17:22:16] | justinh: | I read about one philips engineer who looked at it about 8 years ago |
| [17:22:42] | wagnerrp: | didnt xris try to start up some company selling pre-installed myth systems? |
| [17:22:51] | justinh: | it doesn't have to be mythtv. just something nice |
| [17:22:55] | tmkt: | boxee box – bad design, looks pretty but doesn't fit in home theatre installs |
| [17:22:56] | fukdnscerd: | i have seriously thought about doing the same |
| [17:22:57] | wagnerrp: | or are you saying that doesnt count as an appliance |
| [17:23:05] | justinh: | something that isn't a jerky unresponsive file-browser |
| [17:24:02] | justinh: | I mean it still sucks we all have to put PCs on our teevees to get our media the way we want it |
| [17:24:41] | justinh: | or am I wrong? ;) |
| [17:25:26] | fukdnscerd: | i cant disagree |
| [17:25:34] | wagnerrp: | id love a nice socket 775 or am3 board with a CF or SD card slot |
| [17:26:23] | wagnerrp: | along with a rather spartan 1U case |
| [17:26:45] | wagnerrp: | just a power button and light, maybe a VFD |
| [17:26:54] | justinh: | 1U cases are rare. nice looking ones even more so |
| [17:27:08] | wagnerrp: | because theyre all for server hardware |
| [17:27:25] | justinh: | even rack mount project boxes generally look like ass |
| [17:27:49] | justinh: | and for the same cash you can get a pretty nice ordinary case |
| [17:27:50] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt take much, just a cheap plastic bezel on the front |
| [17:28:09] | fukdnscerd: | nothing a little modding can't take care of |
| [17:28:16] | justinh: | I liked the look of my S100 boxes |
| [17:28:22] | justinh: | pity the hardware was sub-par |
| [17:28:31] | wagnerrp: | i dont care it to be rackmount, just short, and the standard AV-unit width |
| [17:28:58] | wagnerrp: | my receiver, stereo, dvd player, cd player, theyre all the same width |
| [17:29:00] | fukdnscerd: | i have seen a few A/V style cases |
| [17:29:00] | justinh: | fukdnscerd: yeah but good looking mods are damn hard |
| [17:29:17] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand why everyone is making these shuttle and wii shaped boxes |
| [17:29:34] | wagnerrp: | i dont want something like that in front of my tv |
| [17:29:42] | justinh: | the majority of 'HTPC' boxes make a great reason to hide the device |
| [17:29:44] | wagnerrp: | i dont want it to stand out as 'different' |
| [17:29:59] | fukdnscerd: | justinh: well now that just depends on how bad you want it. With the right materials and tools, its actually pretty simple and only limited by your artistic abilities |
| [17:30:25] | justinh: | you're stuffed if you want curves |
| [17:30:27] | justinh: | :D |
| [17:30:27] | wagnerrp: | fukdnscerd: its the tools that are the problem |
| [17:30:58] | wagnerrp: | any tinkerer with a dremel can do wonders with plastics or composites |
| [17:31:06] | wagnerrp: | but if you want metal, that gets expensive |
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| [17:31:33] | justinh: | oh I dunno, I cut interesting shapes out of 2mm steel with a dremel at work |
| [17:32:02] | fukdnscerd: | true, but whats wrong with plastics or composites... i mean i can't remember the last time i seen an appliance with a metal bezel since like early 90s |
| [17:32:06] | justinh: | for about $200 you could get a custom steel case made from scratch |
| [17:32:15] | justinh: | including tooling |
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| [17:32:25] | justinh: | but that'd just be a plain box |
| [17:32:41] | fukdnscerd: | only if you make it plain |
| [17:32:50] | wagnerrp: | why wouldnt you want it plain? |
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| [17:33:12] | fukdnscerd: | as wagnerrp said "any tinkerer with a dremel can do wonders with plastics or composites" |
| [17:33:52] | justinh: | when my MBE moves to the cupboard under the stairs it'll only be a short jump to that being the frontend aswell |
| [17:34:41] | fukdnscerd: | idk maybe this is too big a task for many, I deal with fabrication in robotics quite a bit so it seems to me a small hurdle |
| [17:34:43] | justinh: | need a new teevee for that last bit to happen though.. and a long HDMI cable |
| [17:35:16] | justinh: | doing a job good enough, that you won't mind looking at every day.. is hard |
| [17:35:37] | wagnerrp: | the only problem with something like 1U is how do you cool it |
| [17:35:49] | justinh: | few people are born with natual crafting skills, so you need practice |
| [17:35:52] | wagnerrp: | youve only got room for 40mm fans |
| [17:36:06] | justinh: | heatpipes & heatsink fins |
| [17:36:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but you still need some airflow |
| [17:36:33] | wagnerrp: | especially if you want to run proper processors |
| [17:36:41] | fukdnscerd: | i have always wondered why not use a peltier junction to assist with cooling, maybe condensation tho |
| [17:36:44] | justinh: | look at tranquilpc stuff for ideas |
| [17:36:51] | Jay2k1: | water cooling |
| [17:37:05] | wagnerrp: | Jay2k1: you _still_need_airflow_ |
| [17:37:19] | justinh: | yeah look at my 1U box... and the 4 foot tower attached to the back with water pipes! |
| [17:37:19] | wagnerrp: | water cooling and heatpipes do nothing more than shift the heat to somewhere else |
| [17:37:22] | fukdnscerd: | i dont think i would want a bulky water cooling system next to my av equip |
| [17:37:41] | justinh: | wagnerrp: so then, hardware decoding it is then |
| [17:37:44] | wagnerrp: | anyway, i was thinking this out a while back |
| [17:38:01] | wagnerrp: | and was intending to have just a mini-itx board and power supply on one side |
| [17:38:21] | wagnerrp: | with the whole other half just being a big heatsink duct from from to back |
| [17:38:28] | wagnerrp: | connected by heatpipes |
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| [17:38:43] | justinh: | look at STB designs too |
| [17:38:51] | Jay2k1: | of course you're shifting, but its useful when you don't have enough space to silently cool your components in place, transfer the heat to somewhere else where you have the space |
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| [17:39:17] | wagnerrp: | i guess you could just line the front with 40mm fans, and drop them to 3krpm or so |
| [17:39:23] | justinh: | it's high time there was a reasonable hardware platform with video decoding chips capable of running OSS gear |
| [17:39:37] | justinh: | and no, not the neuros because they're still too young |
| [17:40:02] | justinh: | I guess not enough people want this enough |
| [17:40:18] | wagnerrp: | well youve got ION stuff, or maybe VIA stuff with a CHD card |
| [17:40:31] | justinh: | never touching via again |
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| [17:41:03] | justinh: | also be nice if stuff didn't rely on a whole OS booting up too :) |
| [17:41:13] | justinh: | see, I want the moon on a stick! |
| [17:41:40] | justinh: | hell even appliances today don't come up right away. look at bluray players.. yikes |
| [17:41:43] | wagnerrp: | hell... your 'embedded' systems are already requiring a whole OS to boot up |
| [17:41:55] | wagnerrp: | my TV takes 6–8 seconds to come online |
| [17:42:02] | justinh: | I miss instant on |
| [17:42:03] | wagnerrp: | my dvd players take at least as long |
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| [17:42:34] | justinh: | read a review of a NMT which apparently takes over a minute to come up |
| [17:42:40] | justinh: | who'd put up with that?! |
| [17:42:40] | wagnerrp: | if you define the hardware and strip out most of the boot checks, you can get linux to come on faster than that |
| [17:42:48] | fukdnscerd: | how does mac osx do the "nearly instant on" thing |
| [17:43:00] | wagnerrp: | fukdnscerd: standby? |
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| [17:44:18] | fukdnscerd: | hmm... thought maybe it was a hardware thing, but i seen them put osx leopard i think on a pc and it did it too. Your probably right, tho even from absolutely no power to fully on, my old imac takes about 5–10 seconds |
| [17:44:35] | Jay2k1: | its a mixture between standby and hibernation, at least on the notebooks |
| [17:44:48] | wagnerrp: | ive never actually booted a mac to see that |
| [17:45:10] | wagnerrp: | nor have i heard of any such spectacular boot performance |
| [17:45:54] | Jay2k1: | its going to standby, but still writes the memory contents to the harddisk incase the battery goes empty while it's in standby |
| [17:46:25] | Jay2k1: | this is the only way to get it turn on that quickly – normal boot as well as resuming from hibernation are comparable with a pc |
| [17:46:46] | fukdnscerd: | the first time i used it, the only mac machine i have btw, i was amazed that i never heard of it either. |
| [17:47:40] | kormoc: | late 2008 mac pro takes ~ 45 seconds to cold boot and ~5 for standby and about ~30 for hibernate wakeup |
| [17:48:06] | wagnerrp: | so about the same as a windows/linux machine |
| [17:48:06] | fukdnscerd: | Jay2k1: I have never waited more than 10 seconds for my imac to boot, even after letting it sit in a closet for over 6 months. |
| [17:48:11] | kormoc: | early 2009 macbook pro takes ~ 60 to cold boot, ~10 standby and ~45 or hibernate |
| [17:48:33] | kormoc: | early 2009 mac mini matches macbook pro |
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| [17:48:37] | Jay2k1: | umm.... |
| [17:49:00] | Jay2k1: | well hibernation will strongly depend on the amount of RAM and the hdd speed i guess |
| [17:49:16] | fukdnscerd: | it is kinda old.... OS9 |
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| [17:49:30] | fukdnscerd: | not sure about the specs |
| [17:49:39] | Jay2k1: | thats weird |
| [17:49:46] | kormoc: | pre osx is a entirely different beast and design, they don't do a lot of hardware checks or initialization |
| [17:49:48] | Jay2k1: | i've never seen os9 boot natively |
| [17:50:23] | Jay2k1: | was it unix based? |
| [17:50:28] | kormoc: | no |
| [17:50:38] | wagnerrp: | osx was the start of being unix based |
| [17:50:42] | wagnerrp: | 9 was its own breed |
| [17:51:08] | kormoc: | apple wrote the board firmware all the way upto the os, hence it being extremely streamlined |
| [17:51:20] | fukdnscerd: | thats what i was just thinking |
| [17:51:41] | Jay2k1: | well, they till write pretty much stuff themselves |
| [17:51:52] | Jay2k1: | still* |
| [17:52:09] | kormoc: | not really |
| [17:52:35] | kormoc: | The board bios is EFI now, which is a generic tech that has a fair bit of overhead on bootup |
| [17:52:52] | kormoc: | the firmware is all done by intel |
| [17:52:58] | fukdnscerd: | also the same issue with the new appliance turn on time i assume... every one is going to development platforms to speed development |
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| [17:53:38] | fukdnscerd: | *standardized development platforms |
| [17:53:53] | kormoc: | standby wakeup is fast enough, so who cares if the main bootup takes 4x as long, I it's rare I actually boot up |
| [17:54:08] | Jay2k1: | i thought they still customised all that |
| [17:54:16] | kormoc: | not really |
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| [17:54:40] | kormoc: | it's a pretty vanilla intel hardware platform |
| [17:55:01] | fukdnscerd: | Someone used to tell me turning on/off your computer is one of the worst things you can do to it. |
| [17:55:12] | Jay2k1: | haha |
| [17:55:16] | Jay2k1: | depends on the OS |
| [17:55:58] | kormoc: | how's that depend on the os? |
| [17:56:00] | fukdnscerd: | it was more a hardware issue, and im not talking about rebooting. They say the surge of power to the ics provides increased wear |
| [17:56:14] | kormoc: | it's all about the power 'surge' and how it can reduce component life spans |
| [17:56:33] | fukdnscerd: | exactly |
| [17:56:39] | kormoc: | that said, there's a ton more power filtering now, much stricter tolerances, etc |
| [17:56:46] | kormoc: | I doubt it's anything to worry bout |
| [17:57:03] | fukdnscerd: | and computers are so damn cheap these days!! |
| [17:57:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah, those rumors are from 20+ years ago |
| [17:57:57] | Jay2k1: | well, hardware wise it might have been different earlier |
| [17:57:59] | fukdnscerd: | being an electronics developer, I would have to argue that those are rumors!! We actually covered this issue in basic electronics class |
| [17:58:16] | fukdnscerd: | tho i do agree its not so much an issue anymore |
| [17:58:18] | Jay2k1: | i meant the reboot component, speaking of software rather :) |
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| [17:59:37] | Jay2k1: | so how would you combine standby wakeup with scheduled recording jobs |
| [18:00:25] | kormoc: | scheduled standby wakeup |
| [18:00:34] | Jay2k1: | not using boards that need a reboot for activating changes to the RTC time i guess |
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| [18:04:30] | Jay2k1: | so, is it possible to change the name of the encoders? |
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| [18:04:57] | frederik1986: | hi all |
| [18:05:08] | fukdnscerd: | ok, mirobridge.py says it cant import MythTV python bindings. I can import them from python prompt, and mythnetvision works so I know they are there |
| [18:06:22] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: Are you running Mirobridge on a BE machine that you also have other MythTV python scripts running on? |
| [18:07:09] | frederik1986: | anyone know what the problem could be : when i do pm-suspend ,the system goes to sleep and doesn't wakup as normal. but when i resume the system and do pm-suspend again the system automatic wakes up after 2 sec |
| [18:07:11] | fukdnscerd: | its a combined MBE/FE. not that i run manually, I just know that mythnetvision uses them |
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| [18:08:20] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: Did you add the MiroBridge pre-req python libraries |
| [18:08:38] | fukdnscerd: | i think, let me double check |
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| [18:09:41] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: Also pastbin the error output please |
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| [18:12:08] | chris__: | Hello all. Need help setting up a remote with my Hauppauge 1600 card |
| [18:12:40] | fukdnscerd: | this is from ./mirobridge.py -v http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1837662 |
| [18:12:54] | RDV_Linux: | looking |
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| [18:15:10] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: Without a doubt this is a python bindings related issue. I synced up yesterday so will check my logs. wagnerrp please check the pastebin above and comment. thanks |
| [18:15:25] | wagnerrp: | where are those logs coming from? |
| [18:15:34] | wagnerrp: | the timestamping looks like the new bindings |
| [18:15:38] | fukdnscerd: | stdout |
| [18:15:43] | wagnerrp: | specifically that the new bindings are already loaded |
| [18:15:56] | chris__: | I am very much a beginner, but would be glad to provide you with any logs or outputs. cat /proc/bus/input/devices yields nothing that looks like an IR receiver? |
| [18:16:15] | wagnerrp: | chris__: have you installed/setup LIRC? |
| [18:16:31] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not interface with IR receivers on its own |
| [18:16:37] | wagnerrp: | it simply hooks into LIRC |
| [18:16:51] | chris__: | LIRC is installed, but I'm not sure if I have everything configured correctly |
| [18:17:15] | chris__: | running IRW, I get no input using my remote buttons at all |
| [18:17:41] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: All he is doing is trying a new mirobridge install. He has MNV grabbers working so it would seem that his bindings are installed properly. I am just wondering if this could be related to the latest bindings updates. |
| [18:18:30] | wagnerrp: | i dont think ive changed anything that would have broken anything |
| [18:18:38] | wagnerrp: | looking through the code currently |
| [18:20:11] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: My last resync of trunk was to r23717 and Mirobridge is working for me. His issue could be unrelated to anything you changed. |
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| [18:20:25] | wagnerrp: | ah, youve got your own internal logger youre using |
| [18:21:03] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: I am going to give you a few python statements to try which may reveal the issue. Give me a few minutes. |
| [18:21:11] | fukdnscerd: | k |
| [18:21:26] | wagnerrp: | you said you have MNV running on this specific machine that is giving you this error? |
| [18:21:50] | fukdnscerd: | yes |
| [18:22:09] | wagnerrp: | open python, and run 'from MythTV import OldRecorded' |
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| [18:23:47] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: He beat me to the test. |
| [18:23:50] | fukdnscerd: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1837686 |
| [18:24:20] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: is it possible the old bindings would work with MNV? |
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| [18:24:44] | wagnerrp: | i mean MythDB still exists largely the same |
| [18:24:53] | fukdnscerd: | ok, i take that back, my mnv doesnt work anymore |
| [18:24:55] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: It may be possible as they only get a setting |
| [18:24:57] | wagnerrp: | if you use direct db calls for the values you look up |
| [18:25:19] | fukdnscerd: | damn, just got that going yesterday |
| [18:26:02] | wagnerrp: | how about 'import MythTV; print MythTV.PROTO_VERSION' |
| [18:26:31] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: The MNV grabbers only get MNV setting for the icon directory nothing else. |
| [18:27:05] | fukdnscerd: | 50 |
| [18:27:17] | fukdnscerd: | shouldnt it be 56 now |
| [18:27:21] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [18:27:44] | wagnerrp: | youve still got the old 0.22 bindings installed |
| [18:27:57] | fukdnscerd: | hmm.... i had a couple of errors the first run saying protocol mismatch, but i completely removed everything with rm -r and then installed trunk |
| [18:28:10] | wagnerrp: | what all did you remove? |
| [18:28:25] | fukdnscerd: | my FEs are all running trunk and they all talk to the backend with no prob |
| [18:28:29] | fukdnscerd: | hang on |
| [18:28:34] | wagnerrp: | dont bother |
| [18:29:00] | wagnerrp: | run 'ls /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/ | grep MythTV' |
| [18:29:19] | fukdnscerd: | ok |
| [18:29:57] | fukdnscerd: | so such file |
| [18:30:03] | wagnerrp: | im guessing you just have the single file 'MythTV-0.22-py2.6.egg-info' |
| [18:30:15] | wagnerrp: | what version of python do you have installed? |
| [18:30:58] | fukdnscerd: | 2.6 |
| [18:31:05] | fukdnscerd: | where would that file be |
| [18:31:14] | wagnerrp: | try /usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages |
| [18:32:00] | fukdnscerd: | nope.. the /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages dir i there just not that file |
| [18:32:14] | wagnerrp: | is there any thing MythTV? |
| [18:32:40] | fukdnscerd: | there is nothing there |
| [18:33:00] | wagnerrp: | well then i have no idea where they are |
| [18:33:03] | wagnerrp: | how did you install mythtv |
| [18:33:17] | fukdnscerd: | svn trunk |
| [18:33:24] | wagnerrp: | just go into your source tree, in mythtv/bindings/python |
| [18:33:29] | wagnerrp: | and run 'python setup.py install' |
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| [18:35:17] | fukdnscerd: | ok it installed |
| [18:35:58] | fukdnscerd: | still nothing in that directory tho |
| [18:36:24] | fukdnscerd: | it looks like it put it in dist-packages |
| [18:36:59] | wagnerrp: | running that directly will put it in site-packages |
| [18:37:16] | wagnerrp: | unless your distro has done something funky with the stock python modules |
| [18:38:35] | fukdnscerd: | i run the .egg-info file? |
| [18:38:40] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [18:38:45] | wagnerrp: | 'python setup.py install' |
| [18:39:34] | fukdnscerd: | oh, yeah it put the .egg-info files and a MythTV directory in dist-packages but nothing in site-packages |
| [18:39:52] | wagnerrp: | and what number is it? |
| [18:40:11] | wagnerrp: | should be 0.23.0 |
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| [18:40:13] | fukdnscerd: | its got one for 0.22 and 0.23 |
| [18:40:24] | wagnerrp: | the newer one should override the older one |
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| [18:45:01] | fukdnscerd: | now proto version is 56 |
| [18:47:58] | fukdnscerd: | from MythTV import OldRecorded now works in python, but still the same error in mirobridge.py |
| [18:48:07] | wagnerrp: | same exact error? |
| [18:48:13] | fukdnscerd: | yep |
| [18:48:21] | fukdnscerd: | and mnv search still doesnt work |
| [18:49:45] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Do you think it has something to do with the location of the bindings. It seemed you did not expect them to be indist-packages |
| [18:50:06] | wagnerrp: | the setup module should not put them in dist-packages |
| [18:50:10] | RDV_Linux: | s/indist-packages/in dist-packages/ |
| [18:50:35] | wagnerrp: | thats supposed to be something specifically for distros to use in their own packagers |
| [18:50:45] | wagnerrp: | and you have to specifically force the installer to place stuff there |
| [18:50:52] | fukdnscerd: | can i cp them to site-packages |
| [18:51:09] | wagnerrp: | that shouldnt matter if you loading from the command line interpreter works fine |
| [18:51:37] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea why the interpreter would work but miro/mnv would not |
| [18:52:54] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp and fukdnscerd: At this point I am not ready to blame MB or MNV as this still seems to be a install issue. I do not know what else to try. |
| [18:53:12] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea who/what to blame |
| [18:53:17] | wagnerrp: | as it just doesnt make sense to me |
| [18:53:20] | fukdnscerd: | ok now im so confused... I closed python to try the mirobridge script, re entered the python cli and now it doesnt work |
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| [18:53:35] | wagnerrp: | what distro are you running? |
| [18:53:39] | RDV_Linux: | hmm |
| [18:54:01] | fukdnscerd: | mythbuntu 9.10 i believe.... all mythbuntu myth packages removed and now using svn |
| [18:54:36] | wagnerrp: | if it were an ubuntu problem, someone would have spoken up by now |
| [18:54:49] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: Your going to be sick as you could have easily installed the 0.23 Mythbuntu build in place. |
| [18:55:15] | fukdnscerd: | I did and i had mixed lib issues |
| [18:55:48] | fukdnscerd: | had to remove all myth stuff in /usr/local/lib /usr/lib etc.. and then reinstall |
| [18:56:10] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: On my test systems I install Karmic Mythbuntu then use the daily builds 0,23 and upgrade and it has never failed. |
| [18:56:32] | fukdnscerd: | hmm... I think i am bad luck lol |
| [18:56:54] | wagnerrp: | does anyone know if mythmusic still needs qt3support? |
| [18:58:13] | fukdnscerd: | lmao, now it works, and I did nothing but exit python and re-enter |
| [18:58:25] | fukdnscerd: | the import OldRecorded i mean |
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| [18:59:34] | fukdnscerd: | but mirobridge still fails |
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| [19:01:03] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: Just for the hell of it reboot and then see if MB works run ./mirobridge.py -t |
| [19:01:20] | fukdnscerd: | ok i figured out that if i run python from the contrib/imports/mirobridge/ i can import it, but in any other dir it cant find it |
| [19:02:16] | fukdnscerd: | s/'contrib/imports/mirobridge/'/'bindings/python/' |
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| [19:02:55] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: You can run MB from there with no issue. |
| [19:03:21] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: That was a statement not a question. |
| [19:03:30] | fukdnscerd: | no doesnt work |
| [19:03:51] | wagnerrp: | you havent rebooted |
| [19:04:51] | fukdnscerd: | eeeeeek!!! windows flashbacks lol |
| [19:05:02] | fukdnscerd: | don't hear that too often in linux |
| [19:05:22] | fukdnscerd: | rebooting now |
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| [19:08:21] | fukdnscerd: | still the same |
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| [19:09:53] | RDV_Linux: | fukdnscerd: Does the import test work still? |
| [19:10:23] | fukdnscerd: | yes as long as im in the bindings/python dir |
| [19:10:51] | wagnerrp: | so its still not installed properly |
| [19:11:15] | wagnerrp: | its installing to a directory that is not in its module search path |
| [19:11:20] | fukdnscerd: | is there an environment variable that may affect where its installed |
| [19:11:32] | wagnerrp: | or at least to one that is at a lower priority to the ones installed by your distro |
| [19:11:48] | fukdnscerd: | so if i cp them to sites-packages maybe? |
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| [19:13:44] | fukdnscerd: | or could this cause trouble? |
| [19:18:16] | fukdnscerd: | well i did it and still no |
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| [19:30:02] | fukdnscerd: | any ideas on this. mysql.txt is good. new SBE trying to run mythtv-setup. QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded |
| [19:31:33] | fukdnscerd: | i guess i shouldnt say new, upgrading from repo to svn-trunk |
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| [19:36:42] | wagnerrp: | nothing reads mysql.txt for you to care about it |
| [19:37:08] | wagnerrp: | and if QMYSQL3 is not loaded, that means you rebuilt qt without mysql support |
| [19:37:28] | wagnerrp: | thats going to be several hours lost, recompiling |
| [19:37:43] | fukdnscerd: | i never compiled qt, it was installed from repo |
| [19:37:51] | fukdnscerd: | or is that comiled with mythtv |
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| [19:38:33] | fukdnscerd: | and i had to ensure the mysql.txt file was correct or mythtv-setup failed. couldnt initiate db connection or something |
| [19:38:53] | kormoc: | so qtmysql support is missing... or something |
| [19:38:59] | Beirdo2: | Install the qt-mysql extension |
| [19:39:02] | wagnerrp: | it only uses that file, if config.xml does not exist |
| [19:39:14] | wagnerrp: | and neither the perl or python bindings use that file at all |
| [19:39:20] | Beirdo2: | Morning kormoc :) |
| [19:39:32] | kormoc: | Mornin' Mr. Beirdo2 :) |
| [19:39:47] | kormoc: | I'm not entirely hung over! Yay! |
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| [19:39:54] | Beirdo2: | Starbucks in pioneer square right now |
| [19:40:01] | Beirdo2: | Hehe. Me niether |
| [19:40:44] | fukdnscerd: | libqt4-sql-mysql is installed.... no package exist in the repo called qt-mysql or anything close |
| [19:41:04] | kormoc: | well |
| [19:41:09] | Beirdo2: | Dragging around luggage really slows ya down. Got myself an orca card this morn |
| [19:41:31] | kormoc: | Beirdo2: snazzy. You're a block away from joe's and my work :) |
| [19:41:48] | Beirdo2: | Cool. |
| [19:41:50] | kormoc: | fukdnscerd: so it's the 'or something part', real error messages tend to help things out |
| [19:41:50] | wagnerrp: | orca? |
| [19:42:05] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: One Regional Card for All (unified transit card) |
| [19:42:22] | wagnerrp: | so it lets you ride around in the city whales? |
| [19:42:27] | Beirdo2: | Also a killer whale of course |
| [19:42:33] | Beirdo2: | Yup |
| [19:42:42] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: works on all the busses, light rail, street cars, ferries, etc in two counties |
| [19:42:45] | ** wagnerrp thinks a lot more people would use public transportation if it let them ride a whale to work ** | |
| [19:42:50] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [19:42:50] | Beirdo2: | They have wheels and look like biases |
| [19:43:00] | Beirdo2: | Busses rather |
| [19:43:06] | Beirdo2: | Stupid iPhone |
| [19:43:33] | wagnerrp: | 'excuse me for my brevity, this was composed on a phone...' |
| [19:43:36] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: well, it would make things exciting with the whole risk of being eaten bit |
| [19:43:51] | fukdnscerd: | the error no longer applies as i corrected the mysql.txt file i posted the only real error message the missing mysql driver |
| [19:43:55] | wagnerrp: | those people on the list need a stabbing |
| [19:43:57] | Beirdo2: | Walked down to the ferry docks and next would be safeco :) |
| [19:43:58] | wagnerrp: | apparently one with fire |
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| [19:44:05] | fukdnscerd: | oh well, i gotta go.. I'll mess with it again later |
| [19:44:07] | sphery: | fukdnscerd: post the full logs |
| [19:44:27] | sphery: | fukdnscerd: that error message can show up wrongly even with the drivers installed |
| [19:44:32] | kormoc: | fukdnscerd> and i had to ensure the mysql.txt file was correct or mythtv-setup failed. couldnt initiate db connection or something |
| [19:44:35] | sphery: | but the real problem is shown earlier in the log |
| [19:45:03] | kormoc: | a grep for "couldnt initiate db connection or something" in the source gives zero matches |
| [19:45:16] | sphery: | right, it's a Qt issue |
| [19:45:40] | Beirdo2: | Isn't it usually? :) |
| [19:45:44] | sphery: | does "< fukdnscerd> the error no longer applies as i corrected the mysql.txt file i posted the only real error message the missing mysql driver" mean you fixed the real problem |
| [19:45:48] | fukdnscerd: | lol, i can't remember what the exact error message was and since its not an issue anymore i no longer get the msg |
| [19:45:57] | sphery: | if it's fixed, then no worries |
| [19:46:26] | fukdnscerd: | lol, no, the MYSQL driver issue still exists, but anyway maybe another time |
| [19:46:36] | sphery: | you get that bad error from Qt when you rip the working DB connections out from under Myth |
| [19:46:44] | sphery: | which can happen if you have bad info in the mysql.txt |
| [19:47:11] | Beirdo2: | kormoc: Pretty sure I'm gonna have to add a "beer" line item to the budget |
| [19:47:44] | kormoc: | Beirdo2: ooh? Enjoying the local offerings that much eh? :) |
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| [19:48:10] | Beirdo2: | Too much good stuff to choose from. Hehe |
| [19:48:14] | fukdnscerd: | nvm i fixed it... purged libqt4-sql-mysql and reinstalled it |
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| [19:51:09] | iridium: | <-- re |
| [19:51:28] | iridium: | I still have problems with mythtv svn and DVB-S2 |
| [19:52:10] | iridium: | (mythtv svn from trunk, kernel 2.6.32, v4l-dvb from mercurial, mantis chipset, stb0899 demod) |
| [19:52:44] | iridium: | if i try to compile without any extra parameters to configure, mythtv doesn't use the new v4l-dvb headers and thus compiles without DVB-S2 support |
| [19:52:49] | iridium: | and everything works fine |
| [19:52:59] | iridium: | (channel search works, watching TV works) |
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| [19:53:38] | iridium: | if i pass the --dvb-path parameter to configure (set to the v4l-dvb-checkout), it doesn't work |
| [19:53:43] | iridium: | http://pastebin.com/DzWp2WLj |
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| [19:53:58] | iridium: | this is the output if i start mythtv and try to do a channel scan |
| [19:54:35] | iridium: | DVB-S2 works when using scan-s2 and szap-s2 from the linuxtv project |
| [19:55:23] | iridium: | mythtv correctly detects the card as being DVB-S2 capable, according to mythtv-setup |
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| [20:32:51] | justinh: | mmm cachaca |
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| [20:36:18] | dustybin: | will rhel 6 / centos 6 work ok with mythtv? |
| [20:36:23] | justinh: | oh shut up |
| [20:36:29] | dustybin: | jeeze |
| [20:36:30] | bjd: | :D |
| [20:36:33] | justinh: | no. not with you at the helm |
| [20:36:38] | bjd: | what a troll :D |
| [20:36:56] | justinh: | muh will $distro work with mythtv? :-O |
| [20:37:09] | dustybin: | mythtv doesnt like centos 5 |
| [20:37:12] | dustybin: | thats why i asked |
| [20:37:23] | justinh: | well, who in their right mind switches distro on a whim? |
| [20:37:30] | dustybin: | ? |
| [20:37:37] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt like the very concept of centos |
| [20:37:45] | wagnerrp: | its not that it doesnt like centos 5 in particular |
| [20:37:52] | justinh: | mister 'I'm happy as Larry with Debian, me' |
| [20:37:55] | dustybin: | <-- cyber bully victim |
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| [20:38:13] | wagnerrp: | so centos 6 will be no better a solution than 5 |
| [20:38:19] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [20:38:38] | wagnerrp: | the purpose of centos is to remain a stable platform for several years |
| [20:38:41] | wagnerrp: | and that means no updates |
| [20:38:44] | wagnerrp: | no kernel updates |
| [20:38:47] | wagnerrp: | no new kernel drivers |
| [20:38:52] | wagnerrp: | no library updates |
| [20:39:00] | dustybin: | ok |
| [20:39:02] | wagnerrp: | you only get security and bug fixes |
| [20:39:44] | justinh: | the centos advocates I met once put me right off it |
| [20:39:46] | wagnerrp: | so if you want new tuner drivers, new video drivers, new Qt libraries, new versions of python, etc.... |
| [20:39:56] | wagnerrp: | ... youve got to do that yourself |
| [20:40:00] | dustybin: | justinh: what were they like? |
| [20:40:22] | dustybin: | right i see |
| [20:40:28] | justinh: | I can't say here since they changed the rules ;) |
| [20:40:29] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: but centos 6 should have all that already? |
| [20:40:48] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: until a year or two later, when they no longer do |
| [20:40:52] | justinh: | why run a distro designed for enterprise in the home if you're not retarded? |
| [20:40:54] | wagnerrp: | and you either have to patch everything yourself |
| [20:40:59] | wagnerrp: | or switch back to another distro |
| [20:41:06] | dustybin: | right ok |
| [20:41:27] | dustybin: | ill stick with debian then |
| [20:42:00] | justinh: | no, why don't you switch to arch. all the cool kids on the block use arch now |
| [20:42:22] | justinh: | or just SAY you use $distro, where $distro is $flavour_of_the_month |
| [20:42:25] | dustybin: | i like the sound of arch, its a bit like slackware, everything is vanilla, but it has a nice package manager |
| [20:42:52] | justinh: | I hate ubuntu, but I know it quite well now so am reluctant to switch |
| [20:42:52] | wagnerrp: | hasnt someone forked off arch yet, because it wasnt archie enough? |
| [20:43:01] | dustybin: | :o |
| [20:43:35] | wagnerrp: | its not a true distro until someone gets pissed off at it and forks it |
| [20:43:35] | dustybin: | if i used ubuntu, i would stay 6 months behind, then what your using will be a bit more stable? |
| [20:43:37] | justinh: | dustybin: I had 3 zillion odd updates wanting to be installed so you know – I relented & installed them |
| [20:43:44] | justinh: | 4 hours later it wanted me to install more |
| [20:43:57] | justinh: | and this was 8.10 whatever |
| [20:44:05] | dustybin: | oh |
| [20:44:27] | kormoc: | Ubuntu – The Windows of LInux |
| [20:44:47] | dustybin: | i like keeping my base stable so i use debian lenny stable, then just compile new stuff if required |
| [20:44:54] | wagnerrp: | windows keeps notifying me of all these optional updates for language support |
| [20:44:59] | justinh: | I'm really no fan of the later ones either. they really ground my gears putting pulseaudio on there |
| [20:45:08] | wagnerrp: | because you know, i want to be able to switch my computer over to cantonese |
| [20:45:18] | ** cesman sees he is a "cool kid" ** | |
| [20:45:24] | cesman: | thanks justinh |
| [20:45:51] | justinh: | cesman: hey nothing wrong with making an informed choice, but many users don't :) |
| [20:45:58] | dustybin: | my box has been on everyday this year :D |
| [20:46:02] | dustybin: | 20:46:01 up 78 days, 8:11, 2 users, load average: 0.71, 0.75, 0.74 |
| [20:46:18] | justinh: | put it away |
| [20:46:22] | wagnerrp: | so then why do you need a 'more reliable Centos'? |
| [20:46:35] | justinh: | don't ever start a wang measuring contest you can't win |
| [20:46:41] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: its more of a education thing, i have never used a redhat distro before |
| [20:46:49] | kormoc: | justinh++ |
| [20:47:03] | justinh: | I used a redhat distro before. It very nearly put me off linux for life |
| [20:47:09] | dustybin: | eek :( |
| [20:47:22] | justinh: | 4.0 IIRC |
| [20:47:23] | highzeth: | dustybin: 21:46:54 up 473 days, 15:10, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.03, 0.01 (yeah, I dont change much on the MBE) |
| [20:47:37] | dustybin: | highzeth: you must be running a insecure kernel? |
| [20:47:41] | justinh: | but that's what you get for being a noob & trying to install mythtv from a howto for $anotherdistro |
| [20:47:58] | justinh: | I figured "it's linux innit". LOL |
| [20:48:07] | highzeth: | dustybin: so? its not open to the world in any way |
| [20:48:12] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [20:48:51] | kormoc: | 2.0.40 was released 2-08–2004 |
| [20:49:12] | justinh: | ah maybe it was 2 I ran back then. |
| [20:49:29] | justinh: | anyway it was RH & I broke it by changing the screen res & couldn't change it back |
| [20:49:47] | kormoc: | so someone running the latest 2.0 kernel could have a uptime of 2225 days |
| [20:49:49] | justinh: | but then any distro back then would've beat me the same way |
| [20:50:18] | highzeth: | 2.6.25 on that one fyi |
| [20:50:33] | justinh: | dustybin: ok, thought of a way to tell you what those centos guys were like |
| [20:50:52] | dustybin: | justinh: like j***bacon? |
| [20:50:59] | justinh: | you know when you quote a number at somebody off the top of your head & round it a bit for convenience cos you're talking to a human being? |
| [20:51:14] | justinh: | well they corrected that. seriously boiled my wee, that |
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| [20:51:51] | dustybin: | jeeeze |
| [20:51:52] | justinh: | they're standing there working out how much recording time a 500GB disk would have taking into account sector sizes & all that stuff |
| [20:52:31] | justinh: | next to the guy who introduced himself with "why does mythtv SUCK?" they're the only people I've ever met who I wanted to hit with a hammer |
| [20:52:33] | dustybin: | ultra computer nerdy purists |
| [20:53:14] | wagnerrp: | theyre not 'purists', theyre caught up spending too much time with trivialities |
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| [20:53:37] | justinh: | anyway, I found the conversation too tiring |
| [20:53:53] | justinh: | and therefore decided to hate their distro :) |
| [20:53:54] | wagnerrp: | who cares the difference between 475hrs and 478.259hrs of recording space |
| [20:54:01] | dustybin: | gentoo ricers |
| [20:54:20] | highzeth: | notn wrong with gentoo, if you got enough time to spare |
| [20:54:21] | [R]: | wagnerrp: thats like 4 more shows |
| [20:54:26] | justinh: | you know what, I've never met a gentoo ricer in my life, in real life or online |
| [20:54:41] | justinh: | people who use gentoo for sure. not ricers by any stretch |
| [20:55:01] | wagnerrp: | i proudly run gentoo, but thats so i can do things like not get caught in the whole pulseaudio debacle, not because of any performance misconceptions |
| [20:55:04] | justinh: | but pedants who jump up & down on my wabs.. oh yeah |
| [20:56:04] | highzeth: | wagnerrp: the above uptime is from one of my gentoo boxes. I love the concept of it, but I must admit debian based distros has taken over many of the vps's over the years |
| [20:56:05] | justinh: | with today's cpus I might find gentoo preferable to UH BUTNU |
| [20:56:12] | dustybin: | im in the process of deciding what bits to buy for a new server / backend box, the only reason why i need PCI card slots is for mythtv tuners, its a pity because i like the idea of building a atom based server |
| [20:56:38] | justinh: | hmm. those words don't sit together too well |
| [20:56:39] | [R]: | dustybin: atom for a backend is the suckage |
| [20:56:41] | justinh: | atom. server |
| [20:56:56] | justinh: | file server, maybe |
| [20:56:58] | wagnerrp: | justinh: yeah, i spend about 4hrs a month building updates on my 5050e (2.6GHz dual core AMD) |
| [20:57:17] | wagnerrp: | i do the updates on one machine, push the new image out to all my frontends, and reboot |
| [20:57:31] | highzeth: | wagnerrp: not using icecream? |
| [20:57:43] | justinh: | icecream? lol |
| [20:57:44] | wagnerrp: | icecream? |
| [20:57:50] | highzeth: | newborn distcc |
| [20:57:56] | wagnerrp: | ah, no |
| [20:58:11] | justinh: | ahhh |
| [20:58:18] | wagnerrp: | the other machines dont really have enough power to be worthwhile |
| [20:58:19] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: how many watts does your CPU use? 65 ? |
| [20:58:20] | highzeth: | I have that on all my boxes, helps the gentoo boxes out. its a brilliant thing |
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| [20:58:36] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: maybe about that under full load |
| [20:58:45] | justinh: | dustybin: it's not bout wattage. it's about having the performance you need |
| [20:58:47] | highzeth: | I even had gentoo on one of my netbooks because of this |
| [20:58:54] | kormoc: | highzeth: meh, I don't think it gives anything over distcc unless you have some huge generational gaps |
| [20:58:57] | justinh: | sheesh if you wanna save power leave it off all the time |
| [20:59:18] | wagnerrp: | highzeth: ive been meaning to set up distcc on my laptop (p3 1ghz) for some time to help keep it up to date |
| [20:59:26] | wagnerrp: | but i could never manage the crosscompilers properly |
| [20:59:32] | justinh: | running 4 machines in this room right now to rip all these cd singles :) |
| [20:59:37] | highzeth: | kormoc its not so anal on versions, thats the biggest pros in a mixed distro enviro |
| [20:59:46] | justinh: | and later it'll be back down to one machine ;) |
| [20:59:54] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [21:00:26] | justinh: | btw anybody near manchester wanna whole binbag full of cd jewel cases? |
| [21:00:26] | highzeth: | as long as you got the same icecream version, its not bothered if gcc versions differ a bit. distcc aint that easy going |
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| [21:00:59] | justinh: | cleared out a cupboard today & found all these empty CD cases lol |
| [21:02:00] | dustybin: | this would make a nice backend mobo, they are pretty cheap too |
| [21:02:02] | dustybin: | http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboar . . . 45/C2SEA.cfm |
| [21:02:17] | wagnerrp: | stop that |
| [21:03:35] | wagnerrp: | ive told you repeatedly before, stop trying to pay the overhead of buying from a server manufacturer, when youre just going to buy desktop grade parts |
| [21:04:05] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: there isnt much difference in price between that and a gigabyte board |
| [21:04:21] | bjd: | can't believe a supermicro board would have a realtek chip |
| [21:04:21] | bjd: | wtf |
| [21:04:32] | wagnerrp: | bjd: because its a crappy desktop board |
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| [21:07:54] | wagnerrp: | if youre going to buy server grade intel hardware, by all means purchase supermicro |
| [21:08:00] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, stick with the consumer brands |
| [21:08:30] | wagnerrp: | anything single socket need not apply |
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| [21:10:14] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: ok, i will stick with gigabyte |
| [21:12:30] | justinh: | hmm wonder how much I can get a pci-e card with svideo out for |
| [21:12:55] | wagnerrp: | $25 around here |
| [21:13:26] | dustybin: | you can pick up socket am2 / socket 775 boards pretty darn cheap these days |
| [21:14:19] | dustybin: | ebuyers fine selection of tv cards http://www.ebuyer.com/store/Components/cat/TV . . . ideo-Editing |
| [21:18:30] | Beirdo2: | Have mariner tix :) |
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| [21:24:00] | Beirdo2: | Get to see the tigers and the jays |
| [21:25:04] | kormoc: | Beirdo2: yeah? Tonight? |
| [21:25:35] | Beirdo2: | Heh no. Apr 17 and may 19 |
| [21:25:48] | dougt: | is there a wiki doc that talks about the recommended cablecard PCI cards? |
| [21:26:05] | kormoc: | ahh, nice |
| [21:26:15] | Beirdo2: | If I can't use em I can sell em later |
| [21:26:17] | wagnerrp: | dougt: you cannot use cablecard PCI cards |
| [21:26:18] | kormoc: | dougt: there are no recommended cablecard pci cards |
| [21:26:39] | dougt: | is there a technical reason, or is it some legal reason? |
| [21:26:44] | wagnerrp: | both |
| [21:27:17] | dougt: | |
| [21:27:26] | wagnerrp: | in order to use them, you need to license the interface, and pay for an access key |
| [21:27:34] | dougt: | oic. |
| [21:27:46] | wagnerrp: | in return, you have to guarantee that you will maintain encryption all the way from the input line to the TV |
| [21:27:58] | wagnerrp: | which is something an open source project _can_not_do_ |
| [21:28:08] | dougt: | i am not sure anyone can make that assertion. |
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| [21:28:25] | wagnerrp: | microsoft spent a ton of development money doing so |
| [21:28:57] | wagnerrp: | and while it certainly can be cracked, that could be prosecuted |
| [21:29:15] | wagnerrp: | open source applications, on the other hand, merely need to be recompiled with that code turned off |
| [21:29:23] | wagnerrp: | and instant fair use! |
| [21:29:38] | wagnerrp: | erm... my bad.... instant piracy! |
| [21:29:56] | wagnerrp: | forgot to turn on my propaganda filter |
| [21:30:07] | dougt: | that is a matter of point of view. :-) |
| [21:30:13] | dougt: | but i hear ya. |
| [21:30:32] | dougt: | so, i bought a hvr1950 and get basic cable from my local provider (comcast cable in san jose). is the best thing to do is just get a cable box that has fw coming out of it? |
| [21:30:55] | dougt: | right not, i only can see channels 2–17 or so. |
| [21:30:56] | wagnerrp: | you have a digital tuner, so you can pick up whatever your cableco broadcasts in the clear |
| [21:30:58] | dougt: | s/not/now |
| [21:31:02] | wagnerrp: | (usually not much) |
| [21:31:16] | dougt: | the 1950 is a digital tuner, right? |
| [21:31:19] | wagnerrp: | you can try a cablebox and firewire to see what you get, again in the clear |
| [21:31:23] | wagnerrp: | (and again, usually not much) |
| [21:31:30] | wagnerrp: | your only real options are to use analog |
| [21:31:41] | wagnerrp: | either the standard def capture on your 1950 |
| [21:31:46] | wagnerrp: | or the high def capture on a HDPVR |
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| [21:31:58] | wagnerrp: | either way, youre going to be capturing the output of a cable box |
| [21:32:08] | dougt: | gotcha. |
| [21:33:04] | Beirdo2: | Where the BLEEP is this light rail station? |
| [21:33:48] | wagnerrp: | i guess youll have to quit out of irc to open a map program? |
| [21:34:05] | dougt: | heh. |
| [21:34:09] | wagnerrp: | multitasking phones are for losers |
| [21:34:43] | sid3windr: | hah |
| [21:34:46] | kormoc: | Beirdo2: pioneer square? |
| [21:34:53] | Beirdo2: | Well I just need to find the station entrance. I'm right here |
| [21:34:59] | Beirdo2: | Nah. Stadiu |
| [21:35:01] | Beirdo2: | M |
| [21:35:02] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [21:35:04] | Beirdo2: | Heh |
| [21:35:50] | bjd: | =) |
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| [21:36:04] | Beirdo2: | Got it |
| [21:36:32] | Beirdo2: | Time to use the orca card again |
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| [21:44:41] | Beirdo2: | So. kormoc, hopefully seeya in a few weeks :) |
| [21:46:18] | kormoc: | Indeed! Have a great flight back! |
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| [21:46:53] | Beirdo2: | Thanks. |
| [21:47:31] | Beirdo2: | Got some time yet before flying but I'm on my way to seatac now |
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| [21:51:55] | Beirdo2: | Ain't got no 3g underground |
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| [22:32:09] | dustybin: | i could easily plug in a dual nova-t usb tuner into one of these and use it as a backend |
| [22:32:12] | dustybin: | http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-guru . . . .aspx#extern |
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| [22:34:30] | wagnerrp: | you could.... |
| [22:34:40] | wagnerrp: | but with that anemic processor, and relatively little ram |
| [22:34:45] | wagnerrp: | dont expect to be too happy with it |
| [22:35:20] | wagnerrp: | 512MB of flash is hardly enough for a fill install with mythtv |
| [22:35:50] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: it would be ok for SD ? |
| [22:36:18] | wagnerrp: | well youre not going to be running a transcoder or commflagger on there, period |
| [22:36:21] | wagnerrp: | it would take too long |
| [22:36:31] | wagnerrp: | but im talking about the database and scheduler |
| [22:36:36] | dustybin: | ok |
| [22:36:46] | wagnerrp: | the scheduler is going to take so long to run |
| [22:36:56] | wagnerrp: | it will cause noticeable lag on anything you do on the frontend |
| [22:37:39] | dustybin: | i would be better off building a frontend/backend combo using a zotac mag box |
| [22:39:53] | bjd: | what are you trying to do? |
| [22:41:34] | xand: | dustybin haven't you built your supercomputer yet? |
| [22:42:40] | dustybin: | xand: choosing hardware is a nightmare, there are too many options |
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| [22:43:03] | xand: | lol |
| [22:43:07] | dustybin: | i have now found out that HT is a waste of time. HT = a hack designed by intel |
| [22:43:10] | xand: | just pick something |
| [22:43:28] | wagnerrp: | no its not, and no its not |
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| [22:44:00] | bjd: | i was thinking for my new flat: a new backend with a 35w cpu or something |
| [22:44:07] | dustybin: | 'you're basically telling the OS that you have two CPUs .. when you don't' |
| [22:44:17] | bjd: | my backend doesn't do much tbh, so trying to make it as energy efficient as possible |
| [22:44:43] | bjd: | but then i may as well just use mythshutdown as i do now :o |
| [22:44:45] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: so what, intel isnt the only one to do so |
| [22:44:54] | dustybin: | ok |
| [22:45:02] | wagnerrp: | look at the niagra and power chips, they do 4+ threads per core |
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| [22:46:01] | dustybin: | 'it's been proven that HT is detrimental to performance .. multiple times' |
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| [22:48:06] | wagnerrp: | no, its been proven the HT is detrimental to performance in some scenarios |
| [22:48:14] | wagnerrp: | its beneficial to performance in other scenarios |
| [22:48:22] | wagnerrp: | and it does nothing in yet more scenarios |
| [22:48:22] | dustybin: | aye ok |
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| [22:56:37] | Dibblah: | HT is also allegedly far, far better in the i3/5/7 series than it was in P4 days. |
| [22:57:03] | wagnerrp: | theyve also had most of a decade to improve their implementation |
| [22:57:31] | Dibblah: | Yes. And? |
| [22:57:44] | wagnerrp: | nothing, just agreeing |
| [22:58:08] | Dibblah: | :) |
| [22:59:59] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: basically, good HT requires a good branch predictor and dispatcher to properly handle multiple loads |
| [23:00:18] | wagnerrp: | and intel has a lot more transistors to throw at the problem than they did in the P4 days |
| [23:00:44] | Dibblah: | And the pipeline depth on the P4 was a killer anyway. |
| [23:01:32] | hipitihop: | is there a way to control frontend via mythweb ? I let the front endin live tv mode and I would like to exit that without going to the frontend machine |
| [23:01:44] | dustybin: | can there be a situation when HT will degrade performance, even on the latest i range |
| [23:01:55] | wagnerrp: | yes, mythweb provides a telnet client for controlling the frontend |
| [23:02:18] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: sure, if youre doing data crunching in well tuned code |
| [23:02:21] | Dibblah: | ... But you have to have the telnet option enabled in the frontend. It's not enabled by default. |
| [23:02:34] | dustybin: | ok |
| [23:02:39] | wagnerrp: | it will always be more efficient to have a single thread take the entire execute pipeline |
| [23:02:53] | wagnerrp: | than divide it up amongst multiple tasks |
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| [23:03:10] | hipitihop: | Dibblah, yes it is enabled because I'm also using the mymote on the iphone |
| [23:03:29] | wagnerrp: | hipitihop: on the front page, there should be a 'remote' item |
| [23:03:56] | wagnerrp: | click on that, and wait a few seconds for it to enumerate all available frontends |
| [23:04:29] | wagnerrp: | it gets a list of available frontends from the database |
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| [23:04:43] | wagnerrp: | and it has to try to connect (and possibly time out) to each to figure out which ones are online |
| [23:06:49] | hipitihop: | wagnerrp, yep, I only have one frontend at the moment... that was just what I wanted, thanks that worked |
| [23:08:54] | hipitihop: | next problem, what format does the standard transcode produce and where is the output placed .. I'd better go check docs |
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| [23:19:34] | antlarr: | I have a new installation, I've been doing some tests with different xmltv grabbers, and now I'd like to clean the database and start again, should I remove the programs from the database directly? or is there any application to clean the database? |
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| [23:22:35] | hipitihop: | I want to run mythtv-setup via my remote ssh session and it wants to shut down current mythbackend processes, will that include any current transcode jobs ? |
| [23:22:57] | [R]: | it shoudln't |
| [23:23:02] | [R]: | it just stops the backend |
| [23:23:07] | [R]: | but transcode might need to talk to the backend |
| [23:23:11] | [R]: | in which case... it'd be bad |
| [23:24:52] | clever: | and when you do restart mythbackend, it will spawn new jobs |
| [23:24:58] | clever: | causing each job to be running twice |
| [23:25:24] | hipitihop: | yep, it killed /restarted the transcode ahwell .. I'm trying to workout what the transcode setup is anyway so no big issue |
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| [23:43:08] | wagnerrp: | hipitihop: you dont have to close the backend, but changes generally wont take effect until you restart it |
| [23:43:32] | wagnerrp: | hipitihop: the internal transcoder will produce nuvs when youre doing anything but commercial clipping of mpeg2 content |
| [23:43:46] | hipitihop: | wagnerrp, ok, although it does not seem to give oyu that option, simply ok or cancel. |
| [23:45:13] | hipitihop: | looks like I need the frontend setup anyway ... lots transcode tips about on the web for all sorts of myth versions |
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| [23:54:48] | binarybob_: | hey guys, I am having trouble with DVDs, they seem really jittery and skippy...right now I am using internal player |
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| [23:55:38] | binarybob_: | i have dual core proc, 4 GB ram and a 8500GT nvidia |
| [23:55:51] | Beirdo2: | Waiting at the gate. Fun times. Book time |
| [23:55:52] | justinh: | and open source video driver? |
| [23:56:04] | binarybob_: | nope....nvidia 195 |
| [23:56:09] | binarybob_: | 185...ssorry |
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| [23:56:55] | [R]: | binarybob_: what errors are in the log |
| [23:57:40] | binarybob_: | which log you want |
| [23:58:21] | [R]: | backend and frontened |
| [23:58:26] | wagnerrp: | the ones from playback (frontend) |
| [23:58:31] | wagnerrp: | backend never touches dvds |
| [23:59:22] | [R]: | nothing wrong with being complete |
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