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Thursday, February 18th, 2010, 00:02 UTC
[00:02:54] wseltzer: sounds like a permissions problem. I haven't run into that, but see others making reference to udev, e.g. http://forums.dvbowners.com/lofiversion/index.php/t8080.html
[00:06:56] john___: looks like all is good now
[00:06:58] john___: thanks
[00:07:56] wagnerrp: john___: does /dev/dvb/adapter0/ exist?
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[00:17:49] john___: yep
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[00:20:33] darkdrgn3k: hey im getting really odd errors on my pvr150
[00:20:34] darkdrgn3k: ivtv0: DMA TIMEOUT 00000001 0
[00:20:42] darkdrgn3k: the last number sometimes is a 2
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[00:31:50] utu: how can i fix my sound?
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[00:32:05] utu: i'm using kde 4.4 w\ pulseaudio and gstreamer backend
[00:32:36] utu: i have already recompiled archlinux's mythtv against pulseaudio lib
[00:32:55] Wicked: hello all i have a few questions about capture cards. i currently have a pvr-150 and i have comcast digital cable with a set top box that im using svideo out on to capture with my pvr. Im thinking of getting a new card but really am lost as to what i should get. If i get a ATSC/QAM card will i still need my stb?
[00:33:05] utu: fuckingpiece of shit mythtv
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[00:34:01] utu: my hauppa. win tvr 1800 won't decrypt any comcast channels
[00:34:31] Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro
[00:34:45] Wicked: so your using something like svideo to capture?
[00:34:58] Wicked: *from a stb
[00:35:08] utu: what's stb?
[00:35:14] Wicked: set top box. a cablebox
[00:35:18] Mode for #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@unaffiliated/iamlindoro : +q utu!*@*
[00:35:35] Wicked: :|
[00:35:43] iamlindoro: utu, I will unquiet you in a few minutes and you'll be allowed to speak again. Maybe then you'll be more civil.
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[00:36:10] iamlindoro: Until then I suggest reading the channel rules in the topic, particularly those related to language and civility.
[00:36:39] jolaren: iamlindoro, I stated a notice to you regarding what I may ask and what not
[00:36:55] iamlindoro: why did you do that?
[00:37:10] iamlindoro: If you have a question and you're not repeating yourself within five minutes or breaking a channel rule, just ask it
[00:37:34] vhann: Hi, I can't find (nor remember) which package contains the 'v4l2-ctl' program on Debian Lenny. May someone tell me please?
[00:37:44] jolaren: Is it possible to configure mythbackend to use two adresses? One local (localhost) and one external?
[00:38:07] iamlindoro: jolaren, no, just one
[00:38:22] jolaren: hm
[00:38:44] Mode for #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!~iamlindor@unaffiliated/iamlindoro : -q utu!*@*
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[00:38:49] jolaren: To bad! ;/ My laptop can't be connected via "lan" on wireless ;/
[00:38:51] iamlindoro: utu, please behave this time
[00:39:00] Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro
[00:39:09] utu: ok
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[00:39:23] jolaren: And my stationary is conencted via lan cable.. I don't want to use my entire internet connection just to watch tv.. cuz now my tv server is "online" which i dont like at all
[00:39:53] jolaren: guess I need a new router then
[00:39:55] jolaren: if it's not possible
[00:41:01] utu: what does "GetEntryAt(-1) failed. " mean? i can't get even watch livetv at all now: http://pastie.org/830008
[00:41:13] iamlindoro: It means you are reading the frontend log for a backend issue
[00:41:21] iamlindoro: ie, read the backend logs instead
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[00:42:02] jolaren: Would it not be possible to perhaps point the dns adress to localhost
[00:42:08] jolaren: and by that way make it read from localhost?
[00:42:30] iamlindoro: jolaren, Myth doesn't do name resolution
[00:42:32] iamlindoro: so no
[00:42:42] iamlindoro: the backend is bound to an IP, not a hostname
[00:42:57] jolaren: atm i've bound it to an dns
[00:43:02] jolaren: i understand
[00:43:03] jolaren: hum
[00:43:04] jolaren: ;/
[00:43:28] utu: hmm ok, so it craps out when frontend is tuned to channel11, "DVBChan(1:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: SetChannelByString(11_1): CheckChannel failed." what should i do?
[00:43:59] utu: e.g. set it to channel 5 or 7 before i start it
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[00:44:18] jolaren: But you can watch other channels?
[00:44:21] utu: yes
[00:44:24] jolaren: Channel 11 is important to you?
[00:44:35] jolaren: I had a channel like that to called "Thompsson Download" or i.e
[00:44:35] utu: it has poor reception
[00:44:45] jolaren: It crapped my server out, made it crash
[00:44:48] jolaren: I removed it
[00:44:52] jolaren: and everythin worked fine
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[00:45:34] jolaren: Do you know which channel 11 is?
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[00:46:10] utu: some local channel, i think pbs @ chicago
[00:46:27] jolaren: then I guess removing it is not really an option?
[00:46:53] utu: i'll just boot win7, it works out of the box and has sound
[00:47:06] wagnerrp: utu: mythtv does not support pulseaudio
[00:47:13] wagnerrp: that is why you have no sound
[00:47:13] jolaren: uhm
[00:47:30] jolaren: I had sound on my stationary.. was vista tho
[00:47:59] utu: pulseaudio is crap, but that's the only way i get sound in kde 4.4 using gstreamer backend
[00:48:16] wagnerrp: mythtv does not use gstreamer either
[00:48:35] wagnerrp: all you need is alsa, or oss, or jack, or i think it supports esound too
[00:49:25] utu: in theory alsa, hw:0,0 should work, i'll try it
[00:49:44] jolaren: btw iamlindoro if I want to add what I asked you about as a proposal to dev's where would I turn?
[00:50:10] wagnerrp: your backend exists on two separate networks?
[00:50:20] wagnerrp: youre using it as your router?
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[00:51:00] jolaren: wagnerrp, when I connect via wlan
[00:51:04] jolaren: i'm not in the "network"
[00:51:07] jolaren: localhost adress wont work
[00:51:09] jolaren: but an external will
[00:51:13] jolaren: if i connect with lan cable it works
[00:51:21] jolaren: prob is i dont want a cable in my bed
[00:51:29] wagnerrp: if you have a feature suggestion/request with no code to go along with it, there is a set of pages on the wiki for that
[00:51:34] wagnerrp: expect it to be ignored
[00:51:42] jolaren: expect?
[00:51:44] jolaren: oh
[00:51:45] jolaren: yeah
[00:51:54] jolaren: thought you wrote except, was going to correct you
[00:51:59] jolaren: to late in the night for me, hehe
[00:52:28] wagnerrp: if you are trying to connect to mythbackend from another network and find yourself incapable of doing so
[00:52:32] wagnerrp: you need to fix your routing
[00:52:40] jolaren: i guess
[00:52:48] jolaren: but 1 comp online would be okay
[00:52:59] jolaren: but i dont want my stationary and my laptop to go online
[00:53:37] wagnerrp: then you need to set up a VPN to put wireless machines on your local network
[00:55:02] jolaren: would that work? would not that set pressure on my srv
[00:55:27] wagnerrp: explain your network layout
[00:56:09] Wicked: anyone here have a Hauppauge HVR-2250? im looking around and that seems like a nice card.
[00:56:36] wagnerrp: Wicked: fine for digital, but it has no analog support
[00:56:37] jolaren: a switch"router" box.. a network cord between my stationary computer and the switch/router.. then wlan from my laptop to my router/switch
[00:57:19] wagnerrp: so wireless and wired are both on the same lan, on the same side of the router
[00:57:22] wagnerrp: i dont see the problem
[00:57:31] Wicked: wagnerrp, hmm. so that would need to have a stb?
[00:57:50] wagnerrp: Wicked: the 2250 works fine for digital, but it has no analog support
[00:57:58] jolaren: wagnerrp, I guess you could call it that..but wont work to connect on the localhost
[00:58:02] jolaren: when on wlan
[00:58:19] wagnerrp: of course not, you have to have your backend listen on a routable IP
[00:58:29] wagnerrp: rather than 127.0.0.1
[00:58:43] Wicked: wagnerrp, yea. i saw the 1st time..but im not entierly sure what that means. analog support would be if i wanted to directly plug the coaxial cable from the wall into the card?
[00:58:44] jolaren: well why does it work with a cord
[00:58:49] jolaren: and not without?
[00:59:20] wagnerrp: Wicked: that means you can use the digital tuner for ATSC or QAM straight off the antenna/cable
[00:59:41] wagnerrp: but cannot use analog for analog cable channels, or analog capture off a STB
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[01:00:36] wagnerrp: jolaren: either your network is not set up in the manner you think it is, or you are not explaining it properly
[01:00:37] Wicked: ok. i think i understand. i am currently capturing shows from my stb via svideo..which that seems to have.
[01:00:53] wagnerrp: Wicked: no, the 2250 does not support that
[01:01:14] utu: got everything working, seems like pulseaudio can only be used with alsa-plugins (ALSA:hw:0,0)
[01:01:22] wagnerrp: correction... the 2250 supports that form of capture just fine, the linux drives for the 2250 do not support analog of any form
[01:01:24] Wicked: i thought i saw it say it has a svideo input
[01:01:34] jolaren: wagnerrp, I don't know how I could explain it any other way.. ;/ I know my network is connected the only way possible
[01:01:38] Wicked: hmm
[01:01:50] jolaren: It's this crappy thing which came along my fiberoptical broadband connection
[01:02:05] wagnerrp: jolaren: you just have a single router, which functions as a switch and wireless AP?
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[01:02:22] jolaren: yeah i guess wagnerrp
[01:02:29] wagnerrp: meaning both wired and wireless clients are on the same subnet on the same side of the NAT?
[01:02:56] wagnerrp: then wired and wireless clients will be able to connect to mythtv just the same
[01:03:17] jolaren: I get no local IP when connectin to the wlan
[01:03:20] wagnerrp: besides the fact that wireless is an inherently poor choice for mythtv, and streaming video in general
[01:04:25] jolaren: I have three statical ip adresses out
[01:05:02] wagnerrp: so each of your machines has its own internet accessible IP?
[01:05:07] jolaren: yes
[01:05:19] wagnerrp: then set mythtv up as such, using that IP
[01:05:34] wagnerrp: and set up firewall rules to limit access
[01:05:37] wagnerrp: or...
[01:05:37] jolaren: It is atm.. via dns
[01:05:50] wagnerrp: create a new internal network alias for each machine
[01:05:56] wagnerrp: and use that for mythtv communication
[01:05:57] utu: Wicked: Did you ever were able to decrypt comcast's digital channels? e.g. watch them using mythtv?
[01:06:14] wagnerrp: utu: you cannot do that in anything but windows media center
[01:06:15] Wicked: no idea. i only have a pvr-150
[01:07:01] utu: wagnerrp: wmc only allows me to watch analog – 480p
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[01:07:08] wagnerrp: MCE is the only program which has the necessary license and DRM support for cablecard
[01:07:34] utu: hmm nummer, so there is no hacks available?
[01:07:34] jolaren: wagnerrp, I guess I'll give that a go
[01:07:42] wagnerrp: no, there are no hacks available
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[01:07:58] wagnerrp: complain to your local FCC chairperson
[01:08:24] wagnerrp: jolaren: what is done 'via dns'?
[01:08:27] utu: screw fcc :P
[01:08:44] jolaren: wagnerrp, ip adress of my 1u rack is bound to a no-ip service
[01:08:58] jolaren: I used to host servers here therfor I have 4 statical ip-adresses
[01:09:04] wagnerrp: utu: FCC has already deemed cablecard a complete failure
[01:09:26] wagnerrp: jolaren: so set up mythtv to use that IP, and be done with it
[01:10:00] jolaren: wagnerrp, that's what I've done now, tho it drains bandwitdh.. but I guess I'll have to live with it
[01:10:05] wagnerrp: as iamlindoro stated, mythtv does no form of address name resolution, and trying to have it connect to a host name _will_not_work_
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[01:10:29] wagnerrp: it will not drain bandwidth for any sane router setup
[01:10:46] wagnerrp: it should hit the router, the router will see that its a local address, and keep everything internal
[01:10:59] jolaren: uhm.. my db etc will hit an dns such as noip.noip-lol.org
[01:11:11] jolaren: but in this case "adress.se"
[01:11:14] wagnerrp: your database will... yes
[01:11:22] wagnerrp: but the backend cannot be specified by a hostname
[01:11:24] wagnerrp: it must be an IP
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[01:11:44] wagnerrp: if you want to change that, youll have to overhaul the entirety of the mythtv codebase
[01:12:01] jolaren: I guess we are talkin about different things.. All my connections point to a ".se" adress
[01:12:25] wagnerrp: the database can be specified by a hostname
[01:12:33] wagnerrp: the backend addresses must be an IP address
[01:12:44] wagnerrp: those two address fields in mythtv-setup
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[01:13:01] wagnerrp: the first page under 'general'
[01:14:46] jolaren: wagnerrp, localbackend and masterbackend points to this .se domain
[01:14:55] wagnerrp: no, they must be IP addresses
[01:15:09] wagnerrp: as stated, if you give those hostnames, mythtv _will_not_work_
[01:15:11] jolaren: the .se domains points to ip adresses
[01:15:17] utu: how can i prevent frontend from running in fullscreen? i can't find the shortcut anywhere, 'w' doesn't do what i would like
[01:15:26] wagnerrp: yes... you must specify IP addresses in those fields
[01:15:34] jolaren: But why does it work.. when I don't have that?
[01:15:37] wagnerrp: i dont care if you have a DNS address
[01:15:38] jolaren: I can print you a screen
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[01:15:50] jolaren: Cuz we might be talkin about different things..
[01:16:10] wagnerrp: no, those two fields must be IP addresses
[01:16:43] wagnerrp: if you have static IPs, specifying the IP will not be a problem
[01:16:44] jolaren: uhm..
[01:16:51] jolaren: I know it will not
[01:16:59] jolaren: A dns is basicly an IP covered with a name
[01:17:04] jolaren: and that does work proven by my setup
[01:17:15] wagnerrp: no, a DNS is a name that has to be looked up against a DNS server
[01:17:24] wagnerrp: and myth's internal communication code does not do that
[01:17:26] jolaren: correct
[01:17:41] wagnerrp: furthermore, myth relies on those IPs for internal identifiers
[01:18:05] wagnerrp: so altering myth's code to use hostnames instead of IPs would require reworking a large chunk of code
[01:18:11] jolaren: I don't want to go into a to deep discussion but when your telling me that "it wont work" and it's acctually workin just as we speak. That's like telling me the earths flat
[01:18:32] wagnerrp: im telling you its not working right now
[01:19:01] jolaren: Could you point me to the text part, instead of using mythtv-setup
[01:19:05] wagnerrp: if you have words instead of numbers in those fields, mythbackend is not functioning properly
[01:19:08] jolaren: I want to see if that perhaps it pointed to a real ip daress
[01:19:23] wagnerrp: even if it is running, it thinks it is a slave backend
[01:19:32] wagnerrp: and is trying to connect to an address it will never be able to
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[01:20:07] jolaren: I can watch/record all my channels
[01:20:10] jolaren: I don't know what I'm missing out on
[01:20:29] wagnerrp: because your frontend is locally accessing those files
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[01:20:40] wagnerrp: you get whatever behavior is possible without running the backend
[01:20:49] wagnerrp: because effectively, youre currently not doing so
[01:21:09] wagnerrp: the master backend handles all scheduling and management tasks
[01:21:41] jolaren: Basicly my server is under alot more pressure? If I' getting you right
[01:21:42] jolaren: Cuz it
[01:21:49] jolaren: Cuz it's both decoding and playing it back?
[01:21:51] wagnerrp: no, your server is doing nothing
[01:21:59] wagnerrp: its caught in a connection loop
[01:22:02] jolaren: That's imposible, my dvb-t card is in my server
[01:22:07] vhann: Do you guys have any idea why, even though my Hauppauge PVR-150 appears in lspci and /dev/video0,24,32 are present, v4l2-ctl --get-input tells me '/dev/video0: No such device or address'?
[01:22:07] jolaren: and I'm watchin it atm
[01:22:13] jolaren: from my laptop and from my stationary
[01:23:15] jolaren: So it must be doing something wagnerrp
[01:25:20] awalls: vhann: Does v4l2-ctl --log-status work?
[01:25:39] vhann: awalls: Give me a min (server rebooting) and I'll check
[01:26:42] jolaren: Btw some channels doesn't cover the entire screen, it leaves alot black on the sites.. Is it possible to edit that?
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[01:28:48] vhann: awalls: No, v4l2-ctl --log-status doesn't work either
[01:29:13] awalls: hmmm....
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[01:29:21] awalls: Still ENODEV?
[01:30:00] vhann: ENODEV being : 'Failed to open /dev/video0: No such device or address', then yes
[01:30:09] awalls: yes.
[01:31:02] awalls: Those two calls are somewhat trivial in the ivtv driver. It's not failing there.
[01:31:22] vhann: I only paid 20$ for this card but that's still 20$ wasted if the card doesn't work :(
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[01:31:34] awalls: HAs the card ever worked?
[01:31:44] vhann: awalls: Dunno, this was the first test
[01:31:53] wagnerrp: you did buy it used.... it may be DOA
[01:32:02] vhann: I just finished installing the server's OS
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[01:32:34] vhann: wagnerrp: Yeah, I bought it from Craigslist, met the guy irl
[01:32:46] Some_Person: urgh, mythtv is just confusing the heck out of me
[01:32:56] vhann: He told me it was still working but I guess he was lying...
[01:32:58] awalls: modprobe -r ivtv; modprobe ivtv debug=1023
[01:33:17] awalls: Then check dmesg
[01:33:22] awalls: and /var/log/messages
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[01:33:29] wagnerrp: are you sure its not just a permissions issue?
[01:34:35] awalls: Do you have firmware images in /lib/firmware or wherver your distro needs them installed?
[01:34:58] vhann: wagnerrp: I tried it as a user (I checked, he's member of video (the group to which /dev/video0 belongs)
[01:35:04] vhann: then as root
[01:35:39] vhann: awalls: Wow, 90+ lines added to dmesg
[01:36:12] vhann: awalls: Nothing in /lib/firmware
[01:36:22] awalls: Well if you want more you should try debug=2047 ;)
[01:36:39] awalls: the CX23416 chip and the CX25843 need firmware images.
[01:36:50] awalls: See ivtvdriver.org for details.
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[01:37:00] vhann: awalls: Oh, /var/log/messages tells me itfailed loading firmware
[01:37:06] awalls: Most distributions should have a firmware package for you to install
[01:37:27] vhann: awalls: I am going to edit linuxtv.org wiki page about Hauppauge cards
[01:37:50] jolaren: Might not be the correct place to ask, but are there any altenatives to mythtv for viewing livetv on several computers? Then I'm talkin about for me who watch live tv 95% of the
[01:37:54] vhann: It's quite frustrating there is mostly nothing there
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[01:38:18] awalls: The MythTV wiki has a bit more when it comes to the Hauppaugue cards
[01:38:42] awalls: And the ivtvdriver.org wiki has bit when it comes to ivtv based cards.
[01:38:51] awalls: go figure. ;)
[01:39:26] jolaren: I love mythtv tho, I was just wondering cuz I like to check out altenatives cuz I'd like to know that mythtv is the best
[01:40:01] awalls: jolaren: VLC maybe.
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[01:41:19] jolaren: awalls, seems to be workin if your running the card from within ur computer
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[02:42:43] russell5: hey just wanna say just got mythtv finished setting up with mythtv and i am loving it!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[02:59:04] jolaren: yer its great russell5
[02:59:18] russell5: i knew i would like it but not this much lol
[02:59:24] russell5: it was worth all the work it took me
[03:00:07] jolaren: hehe
[03:00:13] jolaren: it's def more worth then gettin a new hd box
[03:00:17] jolaren: cuz that was the altenative for me
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[03:01:16] russell5: yeah i dont do hd. not worth paying for or gettings the atenna
[03:01:31] jolaren: we have a few free hd channels in sweden
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[03:17:30] xris: hmm, new RAM to feed to my mythbox and it's too busy recording Olympics....
[03:17:59] wagnerrp: svn could use a bump while youre around
[03:18:04] wagnerrp: xris^^^
[03:18:25] xris: bumped
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[03:19:26] xris: sourceforge offered to host stuff for us.. it's too bad their bug tracker sucks.. might be worth it for someone else to monitor servers.  :)
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[03:31:23] jamesd2: xris, not sure mythtv box needs more ram, it just loves cpu and disk space... you do have more than 2GB of ram correct?
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[03:33:43] fleers: I started to look into transcoding certain recordings to aac for ipod viewing, and see that ffmpeg needs to be recompiled in order to do that. Is anything other than mytharchive using ffmpeg?
[03:34:20] wagnerrp: mythweb uses it for flash streaming
[03:37:41] fleers: thanks wagnerrp, that must be the ASX stream button I see in mythweb, which I admit to never having used
[03:37:56] wagnerrp: no, its the flash streaming
[03:38:08] wagnerrp: the asx streaming just a straight dump of the recording
[03:41:34] fleers: okay, i see how to do that on the wiki… you still need a transcode job from what i gather
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[03:43:19] wagnerrp: fleers: no, it transcodes on the fly
[03:43:43] fleers: cool
[03:45:29] fleers: to do my aac trsanscoding, i guess i should either build aac-enabled ffmpeg with —prefix of /usr/local or some other location so it is persistent. or will it not matter if i replace ffmpeg from under myth? in /usr
[03:45:44] fleers: …or i could transcode to aac with handbrake cli
[03:46:34] fleers: or is that a swear word here ? :-)
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[03:53:10] fleers: wagnerrp: is this really outdated as it says? – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/stream_mythtv_reco . . . _flash_video
[03:53:47] wagnerrp: yes, that is outdated
[03:53:57] wagnerrp: mythweb now includes a built-in facility for flash streaming
[03:54:17] kormoc: If we're lying on the page saying it's outdated, would we tell the truth when you ask if we're lying?
[03:54:34] Chicago: jolaren, 11 is WTTW (PBS)
[03:54:54] wagnerrp: kormoc: careful there... youll put MythLogBot into a logic loop
[04:03:25] fleers: hmm, i see 'ASX stream' and 'Direct Download' in mythweb for recordings, where's the native streaming flash stuff?
[04:03:38] wagnerrp: click on one and go to the individual page
[04:10:23] keith4_: holy crap. I love mythTV
[04:10:52] fleers: with ya so far … then what? lot's of click-able links, but nothing that says 'stream me'
[04:11:11] wagnerrp: on the right side of the page will be a flash player
[04:11:24] wagnerrp: that assumes you have gone into the settings in mythweb and enabled flash streaming
[04:11:27] wagnerrp: it is disabled by default
[04:12:20] fleers: ah ok, i think that's it… i might have left it disabled :-/
[04:13:03] fleers: 'evil flash' mentality
[04:13:16] fleers: thanks
[04:13:34] wseltzer: what's the difference between video "category" and "genre"? and where do they come from?
[04:14:18] wagnerrp: that depends, where do you see those terms?
[04:15:06] wseltzer: in mythweb's video listing, for one
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[04:15:42] wagnerrp: genre is just a descriptive tag for the video, of which there can be an infinite amount per video (within reason)
[04:15:52] wagnerrp: these are generally populated by the metadata grabber
[04:16:11] wagnerrp: category is a tag that you can use for whatever you want
[04:16:18] wagnerrp: it only gets set by you
[04:16:23] wagnerrp: and there is only one category per video
[04:16:23] wseltzer: is there no UI for editing genre?
[04:17:09] wseltzer: I was initially confused because I'd set category in the metadata, then see videos put elsewhere by genre.
[04:17:56] wagnerrp: i dont believe there is anywhere in the UI to set cast, country, or genre
[04:19:21] wseltzer: thanks. I ended up just going into the db for a few edits.
[04:19:59] wseltzer: but I'm glad to know I'm not missing something.
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[04:24:17] jstenback: anyone know if there's a 0.23 branch date set yet?
[04:24:37] wagnerrp: feature freeze is in effect
[04:24:51] jstenback: ah, ok, cool
[04:24:57] wagnerrp: i believe the RC and branch is supposed to come sometime next week
[04:25:06] jstenback: awesome, thanks
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[04:30:10] Ginsu: hi
[04:31:21] Ginsu: anyone want to help me out?
[04:31:48] kormoc: edit /var/random/file and change line 82 from no to yes, restart and you should be good to go
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[04:33:08] iamlindoro: Which is a funny way of saying you should just ask a question since most of us don't volunteer for things when we don't know what we're getting into
[04:33:17] iamlindoro: that's a quick way to end up wearing a snappy uniform
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[04:34:15] Ginsu: ha ha it is probably really easy.... I installed mythtv but I have no idea how to get my usb tuner working with it
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[04:34:26] wagnerrp: digital or analog?
[04:34:30] Ginsu: digital
[04:34:38] wagnerrp: do you have a /dev/dvb/adapter0?
[04:34:43] Ginsu: avermedia volar A868
[04:34:48] keith4_: probably not really easy
[04:35:21] Ginsu: darn it
[04:36:49] Ginsu: no /dev/dvb/adapter0
[04:37:04] wagnerrp: then you need to go to http://www.linuxtv.org
[04:37:13] wagnerrp: first, check their wiki to see if your device is even supported
[04:37:22] wagnerrp: and if so, follow their instructions on getting the drivers installed
[04:38:21] Ginsu: hmm I found it was supported
[04:39:38] Ginsu: where are the instructions for getting the drivers installed
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[04:46:12] Jeffrey: good day all  :) could use some pointers on video lines 17 and 18 of http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1801090
[04:46:45] wagnerrp: dont use video24?
[04:46:45] Jeffrey: seems to error on starting the backend
[04:47:24] Jeffrey: that will fix that error swtch it back to video0
[04:47:36] wagnerrp: probably not, but you shouldnt be using video24
[04:47:50] wagnerrp: either you have far too many video devices on that system
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[04:48:02] wagnerrp: or you are foolishly trying to pull off the framegrabber on a PVR card
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[04:49:48] Jeffrey: not sure what I have done ... lol .. went all willy nilly on this system .. just can not for the life figure out the tuner 1 input or how to capure on channel 73 is my goal
[04:54:36] Jeffrey: yep same error .. not sure where to turn
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[04:57:41] keith4_: is that a Hauppauge tuner?
[04:57:50] wagnerrp: its ivtv, whatever it is
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[04:58:01] keith4_: ah, right
[04:58:58] Jeffrey: me keith I can post a dmesg
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[04:59:53] keith4_: listen to wagnerrp
[05:00:18] keith4_: if you only have one tuner, you probably want /dev/video0
[05:01:35] Jeffrey: k I ran mythtv-setup and under card selected it back but it did not make a dif when I ran the backend it still error on /dev/video0 and failed to set chan 73
[05:03:13] Jeffrey: I can run ivtv-tune -c 73 and recieved that it did it or worked
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[05:04:01] Jeffrey: if that means anything .. I am really new to linux adn do not know a lot of terms yet
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[05:05:07] keith4_: how did you install myth?
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[05:08:30] Jeffrey: had to go through debian multimedia repos and did it apt-get install
[05:08:41] Jeffrey: here is my dmesg http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1801111
[05:08:45] keith4_: ok
[05:08:49] keith4_: and how did you install ivtv?
[05:09:22] keith4_: that is not a debian kernel
[05:09:33] Jeffrey: did it the same I but had to apt-cach search and applied what was revelent
[05:10:04] keith4_: what is that, a live CD?
[05:10:10] Jeffrey: it that my problem .. due to im on a sudix
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[05:11:13] keith4_: you're trying to get mythTV working on a live CD?
[05:11:54] Jeffrey: see im not sure what to read on because im not running unbuntu or lenny .. .. it just another flavor I believe .. I do not know .. and I do not mean to offend anyone eather ..
[05:12:06] keith4_: looks like it's based on sid
[05:12:08] keith4_: seems risky
[05:12:20] keith4_: okay. pastebin the output of 'dpkg -l | grep ivtv'
[05:12:21] Jeffrey: no no .. I have my os on the hard drive install ..
[05:13:35] Jeffrey: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1801120
[05:16:56] keith4_: you don't have the ivtv kernel modules
[05:17:13] keith4_: but... then how do you have /dev/video0?
[05:17:34] keith4_: did you compile them from source?
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[05:18:51] keith4_: ah, i see. ivtv-source
[05:18:54] keith4_: how about 'lsmod | grep ivtv'?
[05:19:15] Jeffrey: keith I have done all my damage through the install in apt-get .. I do not know how to do the zip or tar files or compile from source ..
[05:21:12] Jeffrey: I have done a few make and make installs but never with success .. k here is the lsmod | grep ivtv http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1801127
[05:22:19] Jeffrey: well I also have been to about all the sites I can find on pvr 150's and how to set them up so I have bounced off them all it seems ..
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[05:22:38] icarly15: mythbusters?
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[05:23:07] kormoc: Plants vs Zombies available for iphone/ipod!
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[05:25:44] keith4_: Jeffrey, how did you build the ivtv modules? module-assistant?
[05:25:53] clever: kormoc: nice!
[05:25:53] Jeffrey: I did read where some one did a mythtv system on hp pavilion m7580n with the pvr 150 but seem incompleat .. have spent quite a few days now ... lol. .. getting rummy and dummy I would guess]
[05:26:11] keith4_: you might want to try mythbuntu
[05:26:19] Jeffrey: u I will have to go back and read up it will take me a bit
[05:27:26] Jeffrey: I read that and then got confused on what to down load .. I would love to run that on my system .. on that test system I read about .. infact its a wiki page some where .. thats when I discovered about a all in one distro ..
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[05:28:40] Jeffrey: so what you could be saying is its to my best interest to dl that and install it and be done with it all
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[05:30:06] Jeffrey: keith I believe I installed it from ivtv0.4-source
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[05:30:30] Jeffrey: that seem to be the one they said to install .. I was reading
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[05:38:11] Jeffrey: keith im not sure how i installed them but am I close to gettiing it working on this system ?
[05:39:53] Jeffrey: between installin me-tv and other programs that I thought would fire up the pvr card .. got me to mythtv ..
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[05:54:14] Jeffrey: ok .. well im dl mythbuntu-9.10-desktop-amd64.iso .. I hope that will fix me up  :) ..
[05:54:31] Jeffrey: is that a live cd install ?
[05:58:28] Jeffrey: not sure I believe the lag is terrable .. thanks again for the help tommorow will be better .. :) again thank you
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[06:20:35] artus36: Hi all
[06:20:47] artus36: anybody using mythtv with vdpau and German HD channels?
[06:21:07] artus36: I have a problem that the picture is stuttering
[06:21:21] artus36: I read that it should be fixed in 0.23 but it isnt
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[06:21:37] artus36: I installed 0.23-svn-r23479
[06:21:44] artus36: and it is still in there :(
[06:21:53] [R]: artus36: whats your cpu usage like?
[06:22:07] [R]: artus36: what codec are they using?
[06:22:08] artus36: almost 0
[06:22:09] [R]: artus36: what card do you have?
[06:22:17] [R]: artus36: what does the frontend log say?
[06:22:21] artus36: Nvidia 9500GT
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[06:23:36] artus36: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/409429
[06:23:42] artus36: this is the thing I guess
[06:23:55] artus36: prebuffering pauses
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[07:41:34] clever: [vdpau] Failed creating VDPAU decoder: The system does not have enough resources to complete the requested operation at this time.
[07:41:46] clever: this is a new one, cant do openGL and vdpau at once i think
[07:42:30] [R]: how much ram do yo uhave?
[07:42:46] clever: 3gig, but its nearly all used
[07:42:53] [R]: video ram...
[07:42:58] clever: i cant even open 3 tabs in firefox before it gets OOM killed
[07:43:10] clever: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1)
[07:43:13] clever: laptop
[07:43:18] clever: let me check lspci -vvv
[07:43:33] clever: Region 1: Memory at e0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
[07:43:37] clever: i think thats the main video ram
[07:43:58] [R]: well you think wrong
[07:44:10] clever: its not 16mb and its probly not 32mb
[07:44:19] clever: those are the only other ranges shown by lspci
[07:45:38] clever: [R]: i dont have swap, so that might be it
[07:45:55] [R]: vdpau is 100% on the video card
[07:45:59] [R]: it has nothing to do with system ram
[07:46:17] clever: ah, then it might be the ton of texture data in the GPU
[07:47:48] clever: its a fairly low quality video, xv seems to work fine
[07:48:36] [R]: ...
[07:48:53] clever: ?
[07:48:58] [R]: and?
[07:49:08] clever: just saying its nothing major
[07:49:15] [R]: and?
[07:49:24] clever: dont go out of your way to fix it
[07:49:30] [R]: fix what
[07:49:46] clever: something thats probly not even broken
[07:49:57] [R]: whatever
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[08:20:58] toeb: artus36: you need this patch http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . vformat.diff
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[08:55:39] toeb: does anyone know why this patch is not applied to mythtv?
[08:56:04] toeb: without this patch myth is virtually useless for german users...
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[09:08:27] stoffel: no, but it's 'only' affecting german HD users
[09:09:28] stoffel: and it's in current trunk, so will be part of 0.23
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[09:15:01] joel_: What are the minimal requirments for a backend? I don't want to live on the edge tho, a little play room needed
[09:15:40] clever: ive got a 400mhz P2 for my backend
[09:16:01] clever: ~256mb ram
[09:16:29] clever: it works, but the more scheduling rules i put in, the more time (~30 seconds atm) it takes to reschedule everything
[09:17:08] joel_: ok
[09:17:17] joel_: how many frontends do you have watchin it?
[09:17:34] clever: only 1, but its got plenty of room
[09:17:54] clever: it doesnt take very much CPU to stream tv
[09:17:57] joel_: using an external drive for storeage?
[09:18:08] joel_: thinking p2 doesnt support s-ata.. ide is expensive as shit
[09:18:26] clever: pci sata board
[09:18:30] clever: with 2 drives, 1tb and 1.5tb
[09:18:47] clever: the onboard ide cant even handle 100gig, bios is too old
[09:18:47] joel_: i have an older computer
[09:18:57] clever: anything with PCI could do this
[09:19:01] joel_: is there any easy way to check if my computer handles s-ata?
[09:19:03] joel_: my old one
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[09:20:52] clever: anything with PCI could do this, just get a PCI board with sata ports
[09:21:32] joel_: i will take a look inside the box
[09:21:37] joel_: there's 4 pci slots and 3 x ram slots
[09:22:08] clever: my board happened to have 2 sata, 1 ide, and 4 to 6 USB 2.0
[09:23:10] joel_: wait
[09:23:17] joel_: im going over to that box now
[09:23:35] joel_: to see if i can see a sata connection, dno rly how that looks like tho (except for the cording on the motherboard)
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[09:24:24] toeb: stoffel: i missed this change.. i'm still on 23440. thanks for the clarification
[09:26:02] joel_: couldnt rly find any cords clever.. guess that box is not an option for me
[09:28:35] joel_: gonna run a live cd and try to determine what's supported
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[09:45:15] joel_: amd athlon 1250 mhz processor is more than enough right clever
[09:46:46] clever: yeah, plenty
[09:47:17] joel_: only 256 mb ram but i will improve that
[09:47:24] joel_: just need to know if it supports -sata disc
[09:47:35] clever: anything with PCI can support sat
[09:47:36] clever: a
[09:48:19] clever: i'm off to bed now, later
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[10:07:52] joel_: clever, no sata on my motherboard ( http://www.overclockers.ru/images/news/januar . . . 745ultra.jpg )
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[10:20:10] justinh: exit
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[10:57:50] joel_: whats best? 2x 1tb discs or 1x 2tb disc
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[11:09:54] Dibblah: joel_: Yes.
[11:10:12] Dibblah: (It's a question that doesn't make sense)
[11:10:16] joel_: Okay
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[11:10:26] joel_: Someone said earlier that splitting the loads would be better
[11:10:28] joel_: therefor my question
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[11:11:20] Dibblah: In reality, you're very unlikely to see limitations caused by seek time or transfer speed.
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[11:18:25] joel_: Could you take a look at this list Dibblah and tell me what you think
[11:18:25] joel_: http://www.komplett.se/k/shoplist.aspx?mode=r . . . 3256B9972106
[11:18:33] joel_: I plan on running it as a pure backend
[11:20:42] joel_: is 2ghz ram overkill?
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[11:27:01] Dibblah: Yes.
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[11:28:07] joel_: Dibblah, You recomend 1024 ram instead?
[11:28:13] Dibblah: Personally, I've gone with a Intel 661, Intel DH55tc motherboard, etc.
[11:28:39] Dibblah: My system is also overkill.
[11:29:02] Dibblah: However, if you have the money... ;)
[11:30:01] joel_: Apart from what you've stated, does it look good?
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[11:30:59] Dibblah: I wouldn't go with AMD purely on power consumption, but... It's your choice :)
[11:31:34] Dibblah: And it's an ATI video solution.
[11:32:18] Dibblah: Check that the board has Linux drivers for the network / etc too.
[11:33:05] joel_: I see
[11:34:12] joel_: tho you dont like amd is AMD Athlon II X3 435 / 2.9 GHz processor better?
[11:34:17] joel_: or should i stick to a intel processor
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[11:45:46] kaktuspalme: Does Anyone know, how good the processer must be to record DVB-S2 1080p?
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[12:15:10] gbee: kaktuspalme: any processor will do for _recording_, watching is another matter entirely
[12:17:35] gbee: recording DVB involves little/no cpu at all, we just stream the mpeg straight to disk
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[12:19:27] gbee: but playback requires actually decoding the video and for AVC 1080i (no such thing as broadcast 1080p) that requires at least a 2.5Ghz dual core, potentially more depending on the methods used for encoding
[12:19:29] kaktuspalme: gbee: ok that's fine
[12:20:35] kaktuspalme: gbee: but i can put in a nvidia card and use vdpau?
[12:20:37] gbee: optionally you can use hardware decoding, couple of options there – recent nvidia graphics card, or very soon now the Broadcom Crystal based cards
[12:20:51] gbee: kaktuspalme: sure
[12:21:03] kaktuspalme: gbee: Broadcom Crystal based cards, never heard of that
[12:21:11] kaktuspalme: gbee: what's with intel, va-api?
[12:22:19] gbee: neither, pci/pci-e/mini pci-e card which provides hardware decoding, drivers are now in upstream kernels and support in myth should follow very soon
[12:24:11] kaktuspalme: gbee: hmm ok Broadcom Crystal looks very promising
[12:24:29] AndyCap: to me it looks like another PVR-350
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[12:30:51] kaktuspalme: hmm coprocessors are coming up some years ago the device was one cpu to rule them all
[12:31:58] AndyCap: it may solve your immediate problem, but don't grow attached to it
[12:35:42] gbee: I expect the Crystal HD support to last longer than the PVR-350 did
[12:37:20] gbee: for a start the driver was written by a mythtv developer and the PVR-350 was SD only so it was never going to have a long lifespan, plus they canned the PVR-350 hardware pretty quickly
[12:39:47] gbee: and the PVR-350s hardware decoding capabilities were connected to it's lousy video output, so it was never really a very useful device – no opengl rendering etc
[12:41:08] gbee: just wish my netbook had a mini PCIe slot :(
[12:41:56] kaktuspalme: just wish i would find a shop which sells these chips in switzerland
[12:41:59] kaktuspalme: :)
[12:44:14] AndyCap: well, to me this looks like a dead end. It has a proprietary api so it needs application support. it's not really meant for endusers so uptake will be limited and competes with integrated solutions from nvidia etc. h.264 decoding is not going away so it will be integrated in mainstream graphics hardware at some point
[12:44:21] gbee: kaktuspalme: as I said earlier, mythtv support hasn't been added _yet_, but expect it for 0.24 in June
[12:45:19] gbee: vdpau has a proprietary API and needs application support, not to mention an nvidia graphics card ...
[12:46:10] gbee: not to mention you can't swap out the GPU on things like laptops or existing small form factor frontends
[12:47:39] AndyCap: those things aren't likely to have a spare mini-pci-e slot either, but you could sacrifice wwan or wlan on netbooks I guess. :)
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[12:49:22] gbee: actually many netbooks do have a spare slot, the wlan is either integrated or in another slot, my Aspire One actually has the compartment and solder points for it but being a first gen it lacks the actual thing
[12:49:41] justinh: grr where's my stick of smiting? Stupid -users trying to defeat the 'DRM' on BBC HD
[12:49:56] AndyCap: drm?
[12:50:16] justinh: actually huffman encoding of the EPG data like they do on freesat
[12:50:20] justinh: not DRM
[12:50:33] AndyCap: ah.
[12:50:35] justinh: but some freetards have got their knickers in a twist about it
[12:51:13] justinh: where actually it's not likely going to make much difference. I'd liken it to an ant trying to stop a train
[12:51:21] gbee: eh? They can't even receive it yet, since there are no DVB-T2 cards on the market!
[12:51:48] justinh: I know that. you know that. they know that, even
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[12:52:04] justinh: but MUH, open source!
[12:52:58] justinh: from what I gather all the 'drm' is gonna be is a very slight obsfurcation it won't take long to figure out – and it's only being done to placate certain content sources
[12:55:02] AndyCap: I don't get it, Looks like they're talking about both conditional access and using protocols that would require some sort of licensing?
[12:56:14] justinh: no they ain't talking about conditional access
[12:56:29] gbee: it's all very simple and nothing to get excited about,
[12:57:00] justinh: they're talking about fiddling with some tables & only telling partners how to decode em
[12:57:11] justinh: no big stick or anything
[12:57:19] gbee: and it's just the EIT
[12:57:27] justinh: the beeb should be allowed to go ahead with it, end of :)
[12:57:35] justinh: then the status quo will remain :-)
[12:57:55] AndyCap: so you're not going to get fraunhofer or something running after you
[12:58:01] justinh: none of this 'muh muh muh it should all be free' BS
[12:58:05] gbee: I swear those who are fighting this don't have a brain cell to share between them
[12:58:22] justinh: I blame El Reg
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[12:58:28] gbee: it's good for everyone
[12:58:39] justinh: it's been talked up as if it's the end of the world
[12:58:56] AndyCap: ah, it's bbc that's going to license the huffman tables.
[12:58:59] justinh: gbee: yeah, cuts out rogue manufacturers of junk STBs for one
[12:59:23] gbee: as proposed everyone wins, fight it and everyone loses – MythTV users most of all
[12:59:55] justinh: fight it, win & the content providers either pull out or insist on something far more stringent
[13:00:23] justinh: wonder how much of el reg is owned by newscorp... hmmm
[13:00:43] AndyCap: I don't get how they got the content providers to go along with this, but well, best not to tell them.
[13:02:05] justinh: nor me but hey...
[13:02:24] justinh: I wouldn't put it past any content provider knowing the SP
[13:02:31] justinh: or rather not knowing it
[13:02:46] justinh: hey if you dunno what's on & when you can't record it right? RIGHT!
[13:03:19] gbee: IMHO the content providers have never wanted more than the suggestion of security, it's more a legal concern than a physical security one
[13:03:24] AndyCap: maybe you have to implement do-not-copy bits to get the magic table.
[13:03:38] justinh: AndyCap: that's in the spec
[13:03:51] justinh: which are meaningless to anybody with a PC-based tuner anyway
[13:04:16] justinh: they could just prevent dvb-t2 tuners coming to PCs. That oughtta do it
[13:04:31] AndyCap: unless you're running windows media center
[13:04:34] justinh: but then, that won't stop anybody taking a HDD out of a DVR
[13:04:47] justinh: grep around all the files for TS structures...
[13:04:49] justinh: bingo
[13:05:09] gbee: if I sue you for pirating a film off BBC HD, you can't claim ignorance since you had to circumvent their weak copy protection – it's the same principle as breaking and entering, if you leave a door wide open it's a lesser charge of trespass
[13:05:20] justinh: fair point
[13:05:28] justinh: I wish they would go after the sharers harder
[13:06:22] Dibblah: I wish they would bloody well provide the content at reasonable rates for download.
[13:06:40] AndyCap: Dibblah: now we're talking.
[13:06:43] Dibblah: ie season dvd – 25%/
[13:06:47] justinh: in reasonable quality you mean?
[13:07:01] Dibblah: No, at reasonable prices.
[13:07:07] justinh: i.e. not relying on a crappy flash player which is incapable of syncing to refresh rates
[13:07:26] justinh: Dibblah: for money I want quality aswell :)
[13:07:36] Dibblah: Or funky new hardware tricks. Like XV scaling.
[13:07:58] justinh: I had a big to-do with somebody from seesaw about how shite their player is
[13:08:18] Dibblah: We don't believe in all that newfangled stuff! Scaling is done in software, as God intended.
[13:08:19] justinh: it's not just them though..pretty much anything using flash
[13:08:29] gbee: Dibblah: ah, but before or after it's shown in the UK? Allow people to purchase material before it's broadcast in their country of residence and the local broadcasters aren't going to pay what they pay now for the exclusive rights, end of the day that means less income
[13:09:05] justinh: gbee: and if that means they have togo back & concentrate on making quality product.... :-O
[13:09:23] Dibblah: Meh. I understand the reasoning behind that, but I don't really like it.
[13:09:30] gbee: alternately each local broadcaster would get the distribution rights for their region, and that would be a mess
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[13:11:45] gbee: Dibblah: no-one likes it, but it's the reality of market economics etc, the moment the music/video industry decide to start selling direct to customers via the internet, hundreds of thousands of people lose their jobs and dozens of broadcasters/labels go under
[13:12:02] justinh: oh noes!
[13:12:24] justinh: then who will buy all the fish eggs, personal jet planes & cocaine?!
[13:12:55] gbee: justinh: heh, well they'll be less choice and probably higher prices for end consumers which is always a bad thing
[13:13:14] justinh: way I look at it is..I don't get to have a say if the company I work for gets bought out & my job is sold off
[13:13:28] gbee: it will take years, maybe decades, to dismantle the existing distribution channels and regional restrictions
[13:13:45] phonk: Hello, is it right here to place a question about mythtv and two tuner cards ?
[13:13:46] justinh: gbee: every new format comes with more restrictions
[13:14:02] ** justinh goes for lunchies **
[13:14:05] gbee: phonk: yes, but I can understand why you might think otherwise ;)
[13:14:36] phonk: hehe
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[13:15:11] gbee: justinh: because many of the content producers can't see how to bridge the gap between the old and new revenue models, so they'd rather cling to the old models that they know work
[13:15:14] AndyCap: gbee: nah, more choice but lesser quality. look at youtube.
[13:15:40] phonk: okay : I want to use one card for LiveTV an onewhich should make recordings an PIP how do setup this ?
[13:18:15] gbee: lets face it, many of the new business models which were touted as the way of the future have either failed or are on the brink of failing – last.fm or spotify (can't remember which) revealed that they make just 18p per registered member per month, and each of those members can listen to as much music as they want, it has no future, you can't even pay the leccy bills on that
[13:20:53] AndyCap: then again. if they don't have crazy money to spend on buying premiere league rights any more I'd be happy.
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[13:29:46] gbee: AndyCap: you and me both
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[13:57:27] simon3z: hi all, what hardware do you suggested me for analog tv recording? (with hw compression)
[13:58:58] wagnerrp: PVR-150
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[14:01:08] phonk: I want to use one card for LiveTV an onewhich should make recordings an PIP how do I setup this ?
[14:01:14] simon3z: wagnerrp: thank you
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[14:04:32] oobe: phonk, that sounds unecessary
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[14:05:29] oobe: wagnerrp, tell us more about ur system u upgraded for $200
[14:05:51] oobe: was it a barebone or did u just swap out the mobo and cpu ram
[14:05:59] wagnerrp: oobe: just the bare essentials, mobo, processor, and ram
[14:07:00] wagnerrp: it was actually $160, plus another $40 for a PSU for another machine
[14:07:01] oobe: ok cause i have a sff p4 it plays all hd streams i use fine but it can get a little noisy also its a bit slugish with themes and generating fanart image cache
[14:07:48] wagnerrp: this got me a 2.7GHz AMD dual core
[14:07:48] oobe: remember i wanted the dvi to agp converter
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[14:07:58] oobe: nice
[14:08:04] oobe: thats overkill but nice
[14:08:05] wagnerrp: and a microatx board with nvidia 8200
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[14:08:16] oobe: but for that price
[14:08:35] wagnerrp: overkill? hard to get a lower clocked dual core these days
[14:08:44] oobe: im thinking about getting a board or card that supports hdmi and sound
[14:08:50] wagnerrp: aside from some junky atom
[14:08:58] oobe: yeah true
[14:09:04] wagnerrp: any of the nvidia 8 or 9 series will do that
[14:09:08] oobe: but a sempron single core would suffice
[14:09:16] wagnerrp: no it wouldnt
[14:09:24] oobe: really?
[14:09:25] wagnerrp: i refuse to ever buy a single core processor
[14:09:36] oobe: for a frontend only machine
[14:09:52] wagnerrp: cant bring myself to do it
[14:09:55] oobe: i mean no commflagging or transcoding playback only
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[14:10:54] phonk: oobe: why ? If I use only one capturecard PIP works only on the transponder which ist selected It is DVB-S
[14:12:35] oobe: oh ok so you only have 1 tuner and ur using the multiplex multistream thing
[14:12:52] oobe: yea you are limited to only using the same multiplex with that feature
[14:13:30] oobe: all you need to do is buy another card i thought you wanted to specify which card can record and which card is for livetv
[14:14:01] oobe: thats why i thought it was unecessary as mythtv can schedule around available tuners
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[14:21:10] kaktuspalme: what's with xvba support in mythtv?
[14:21:28] wagnerrp: what support?
[14:22:36] gbee: xvba is a closed API, it's not used by anything yet
[14:23:35] wagnerrp: even the stuff that ATI eventually released to support it really uses VAAPI
[14:23:48] gbee: there is supposedly support through a closed source va-api plugin
[14:24:24] wagnerrp: too little too late, IMHO
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[14:26:29] gbee: I'd rather choice over vendor-lockin
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[14:28:49] kaktuspalme: hmm, ok
[14:29:18] kaktuspalme: because ati graphic cards are the only cards which supports 5.1 over hdmi
[14:29:56] phonk: oobe: yes I already installed the second card, then I connected both cards to the same video source where do I find the bindings to which crad schould do livetv and which do record ?
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[14:30:22] wagnerrp: kaktuspalme: eh?
[14:30:32] oobe: phonk, make a video source for each card
[14:30:58] kaktuspalme: wagnerrp: ATI Graphiccards support 5.1 sound
[14:31:06] oobe: there are no bindings if you mean key bindings for specifying which card does what
[14:31:35] wagnerrp: nvidia graphics cards support 5.1 passthrough
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[14:31:57] oobe: phonk, but in setup / utils /tv settings / general "i think" somewhere there you can specifying which card is used for livetv
[14:32:01] wagnerrp: when youre doing digital, theres no need for a sound card
[14:32:20] phonk: oobe ok, i ill have a look
[14:34:32] oobe: wait had to check its first page "avoid conflict between livetv and scheduled shows"
[14:34:53] oobe: phonk, but make sure you have a seperate video source for each tuner
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[14:39:04] phonk: is it really to have 2 sources I read about they should be one an mythtv takes the input autmaticly
[14:40:20] shadash: has anyone else been watching the ps3 developments wondering how good of a myth system it will make if 3d becomes available?
[14:40:36] wagnerrp: shadash: mythtv does not use any 3d capacity
[14:41:44] shadash: fine ability to to do 1080p
[14:41:48] wagnerrp: and considering sony has dropped linux support all together, its unlikely that interconnect will ever be opened up
[14:42:01] wagnerrp: shadash: in that case, its still lacking in sufficient memory to make a decent frontend
[14:42:10] shadash: ahhh
[14:42:40] wagnerrp: and thats assuming the decoders written in SPEs ever become worthwhile
[14:42:57] oobe: does anyone know if and where tmdb.pl stores its cache?
[14:43:14] wagnerrp: i dont think it does
[14:43:21] shadash: there's always a catch
[14:44:17] wagnerrp: shadash: basically... the that machine will never run under 120W
[14:44:30] wagnerrp: and there are better, smaller, more economic solutions available
[14:44:31] shadash: why can't someone make a resaonably priced quiet frontend/backend system
[14:44:43] wagnerrp: they do, check out the ION systems
[14:44:54] wagnerrp: or build a fairly comparably priced dual core athlon
[14:45:04] shadash: I've been watching them I thought prices would go down after xmas
[14:45:09] RDV_Linux: oobe: Neither tmdb.pl and tmdb.py cache the results of a call to TMDB. While tvdb.py caches the results as a user may want information for a number of episodes.
[14:45:29] oobe: ok thanks RDV_Linux
[14:45:35] wagnerrp: shadash: sadly were in a bit of an interim period
[14:45:47] oobe: must be the actual cache on server side
[14:45:57] wagnerrp: where ddr2 has been coming up in price significantly, and ddr3 hasnt hit bargin bulk yet
[14:45:57] gbee: games consoles make very poor frontends, they lack the resources to do anything useful, games etc are written to take advantage of the unique hardware of those platforms but general purpose computing is out of the question
[14:46:30] RDV_Linux: oobe: That would be correct TMDB and TVDB both have caching servers which can confuse users at times,
[14:46:32] gbee: and no-one is about to completely re-write mythtv so that it works on a console (but nowhere else)
[14:46:49] wagnerrp: gbee: there was some project with the intent of writing Xv and XvMC libraries using the SPEs on the cell
[14:47:05] wagnerrp: last i heard, they had scaling, colorspace conversion, and some limited form of offload of mpeg2
[14:48:15] gbee: wagnerrp: there will always be compromises though, video acceleration is fine, but you'd still need to rethink the UI around the memory constraints
[14:48:37] wagnerrp: right... i mentioned that above
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[14:49:04] wagnerrp: its really a shame sony didnt stuff 2–4GB of DDR2 on that system
[14:49:57] wagnerrp: i would paid an extra $100 for the complete removal of any mid-level loading screens
[14:50:42] oobe: anyone know how to make xorg.conf allow me to use either hdmi or vga from the same tv i have both vga and hdmi plugged into the same card
[14:50:44] phonk: oobe: if I create to sources , do I have to tune my channels on the second source to ?
[14:50:58] oobe: phonk, yes
[14:51:15] wagnerrp: oobe: why would you want to swap between them?
[14:51:36] shadash: ps3 = 256MB GDDR3 RAM clocked at 550 MHz
[14:51:49] shadash: sux
[14:51:51] oobe: reason is i am using vga looks ok i would prefer hdmi but it doesnt output the sound to the speakers plugged into the tv
[14:51:55] XLV: wagnerrp, how about those NMTs like egreathd? they got like 256MB dram
[14:52:08] oobe: the sound outputs to pc which is vga
[14:52:08] phonk: oobe: and the channels numbers should be identical on both sources ?
[14:52:17] wagnerrp: shadash: however linux is run through a hypervisor, which means you really only get ~180MB of that
[14:52:24] oobe: but from time to time i would like to use hdmi and the built in tv sound
[14:52:42] oobe: phonk, makes it easier
[14:52:45] XLV: arm cpu, the sigma or realtek decoding is ready.. usb tv tuners support could be added
[14:53:01] oobe: assuming both tuners are getting the same channels
[14:53:06] shadash: supposidally no you can get around the hypervisor but it's still 256
[14:53:09] shadash: now
[14:53:17] wagnerrp: XLV: mythtv does not support sigma or realtek decoding
[14:53:38] oobe: so thats my answer wagnerrp
[14:53:48] phonk: oobe yes it is, I will test it later, thx
[14:54:01] wagnerrp: shadash: expect rambus to pound whoever figures out how to bypass the hypervisor
[14:54:25] wagnerrp: oobe: i still dont understand why you cant just use hdmi and leave it
[14:54:36] gbee: I remember reading a blog posting by the guys at BIS about how they had to come up with some very clever solutions to port Operation Flashpoint to the Xbox, they had to start over on some aspects and one of the real neat things that came out of it was a new terrain streaming idea, they only loaded into memory the area within 500m of the player and constantly streamed in/out new terrain data as you moved, avoided them having to
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[14:54:38] gbee: implement loading pauses which would have destroyed the game
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[14:54:56] XLV: wagnerrp, so mythtv is unable whatsoever to use different codecs than the ones built in? sure a major patch would be required, but the underlying base is there
[14:55:12] oobe: wagnerrp, cause it doesnt have sound out of the speakers the speaker sound comes out of the pc input
[14:55:31] oobe: which means i have to use the built in speakers which dont sound as good
[14:56:24] wagnerrp: so you send video to the tv over hdmi, and audio to the receiver through some other connection.... still dont see the problem
[14:56:35] wagnerrp: XLV: correct
[14:56:53] wagnerrp: mythtv can only used built in methods
[14:57:09] gbee: oobe: just use the other audio device connected to the speakers for audio, hdmi for video
[14:57:10] oobe: the problem is that doesnt work i cant hear sound from the external speakers using hdmi
[14:57:42] oobe: gbee, i cant specify that for mythtv can i ?
[14:58:08] gbee: I wouldn't have suggested it if you couldn't
[14:58:16] wagnerrp: yes, you can specify which audio output you use in mythtv
[14:59:03] oobe: damn i wasted my time getting a dvi > vga adapter
[14:59:33] wagnerrp: aside from such a thing coming with your video card anyway
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[15:00:52] oobe: gbee, do you mean in utils setup / general / page 4
[15:02:19] XLV: wagnerrp, then how vdpau support was added?
[15:02:43] wagnerrp: XLV: someone wrote in internal support for it
[15:03:20] wagnerrp: same as would need to happen for support for one of the sigma chipa
[15:03:26] XLV: wagnerrp, yeah, so a major patch would be required to pass decoding to the sigma or realtek
[15:07:01] oobe: do you mean alsa:HDMI
[15:07:26] oobe: cause that wouldnt work with dvi > hdmi cable
[15:07:49] wagnerrp: oobe: depends on whether your board is capable of outputting sound over DVI
[15:08:08] oobe: i dont think it would be but i never heard of that
[15:08:18] oobe: its a fx5200
[15:08:24] wagnerrp: then no, it cannot
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[15:09:59] oobe: but is that the section you mean to change the audio output in mythtv
[15:10:34] gbee: I assumed we were talking about native hdmi output
[15:10:58] wagnerrp: oobe: you only have analog, and possibly spdif output
[15:11:07] wagnerrp: what would you have to change?
[15:11:27] wagnerrp: just plug your output into your receiver, and be done with it
[15:12:22] oobe: yea but then the tv can only use the speakers from the pc
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[15:12:42] oobe: i want it to beable to use tv with the speaks with built in tuner and such
[15:12:46] wagnerrp: i thought thats what you wanted, because the tv did not have decent speakers
[15:13:01] wagnerrp: you are making no sense
[15:13:23] andreas_dk: Greetings all, i have a question about hauppauge wintv pvr2 on myth 0.22 on Ubuntu 9.10
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[15:14:02] gbee: wagnerrp: I'm following him now, he has external speakers attached to the TV
[15:14:20] oobe: wagnerrp, yes i do i mean the tv needs to be plugged into the speakers so it can use them when im not using mythtv
[15:14:27] andreas_dk: I'm pretty damn sure that the driver is setup ok, i can get snow when using: cat /dev/video0 >> test.mpeg
[15:14:30] oobe: i sont want the speakers plugged into the pc
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[15:15:03] wagnerrp: so these are basic computer speakers? not a traditional av receiver
[15:15:10] oobe: tes
[15:15:14] oobe: yes
[15:15:26] wagnerrp: your tv doesnt support audio pass through?
[15:15:27] gbee: it's a little odd that the external speakers aren't used when the sound is supplied via HDMI, have you played with the audio settings of the TV?
[15:15:30] andreas_dk: Would anybody know anything about wintv pvr usb2 ??
[15:16:05] oobe: wagnerrp, i dont know about audio pass through what is it
[15:16:28] wagnerrp: it means your tv will pass audio on its input directly to the external speakers
[15:17:17] oobe: yes it does but it thinks the audio is going to the pc / vga line when im using hdmi
[15:17:29] oobe: so thats why im using vga
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[15:20:10] andreas_dk: any pointers on wintv pvr usb2. I've googled EVERYTHING and still no cigar. I'm not a total linux rookie but i could really need a pointer
[15:20:35] oobe: does that make sense now wagnerrp
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[15:21:47] wagnerrp: andreas_dk: what are you trying to record from?
[15:22:25] shadash: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_WinTV-PVR-USB2
[15:22:42] wagnerrp: no.... what, not what with
[15:23:52] justinh: what? what country you from? they speak english in what?
[15:24:34] oobe: he is from denmark
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[15:24:42] andreas_dk: wagnerrp: Thanks for getting back!. My card works (cat /dev/video0 >> test.mpeg shows snow) but getting the card reckognized in myth is quite a challenge for me. I understand that analogue channel scan is broken so im kinda stuck now
[15:25:06] andreas_dk: wagnerrp: Any pointers on how to move forward??
[15:25:17] wagnerrp: then just add it as an mpeg encoder, and manually add the channels you need
[15:25:42] andreas_dk: wagnerrp: ok got it. Would that be the mjpeg type ??
[15:25:51] wagnerrp: no, mpeg encoder
[15:27:08] andreas_dk: wagnerrp: Not in front of the myth box right now (at work) but i will try it asap
[15:27:23] wagnerrp: open up mythtv-setup in vnc
[15:27:35] justinh: I'll send a patch to rename all the tuner types to flugelhoffer#1 flugelhoffer#2 etc..make it MUCH clearer for everybody
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[15:41:51] vanksi: what argument?
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[15:44:32] vanksi: ah, the -i switch doesnt seem to work
[15:45:15] j-rod: devinheitmueller: ping. need to pick your brain...
[15:45:22] devinheitmueller: go ahead.
[15:45:49] j-rod: got mail from someone @sagetv.com a day or three ago about the kworld stcik
[15:45:59] devinheitmueller: the 435?
[15:46:06] j-rod: yeah, ub435-q
[15:46:09] devinheitmueller: ok.
[15:46:23] j-rod: hrm, this is probably #linuxtv material
[15:46:25] j-rod: oh well
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[15:46:49] devinheitmueller: Well, do you *want* to deal with it?
[15:47:02] j-rod: anywho… says if he inverts the i2c gate enable/disable bits in the tda18271 driver, it fixes the tunlng recal delay issue
[15:47:31] devinheitmueller: If not, then Sage is a commercial company, so just refer them to KL.
[15:47:44] j-rod: wondering if that makes you go "oh, here's your problem with your gpio reset sequence"
[15:47:46] devinheitmueller: Well, the 18271 doesn't have a gate. It's behind the gate.
[15:48:45] j-rod: tda18271_read_regs() in tda18271-common.c
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[15:49:05] j-rod: if the calls to tda18271_i2c_gate_ctrl() are inverted, life is good
[15:49:12] datagen24: Question regarding firewire cable boxes, I currently have working an sa4250hdc, Comcast just gave me a new box to replace it made by cisco an rng150, does anyone know anything about this beast I can find anything about the 1394 on it?
[15:49:19] ** devinheitmueller looks at the code. **
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[15:51:04] devinheitmueller: j-rod: which demod was that?
[15:51:06] devinheitmueller: 3304?
[15:51:09] j-rod: yeah
[15:51:15] devinheitmueller: And which driver was he using?
[15:51:37] devinheitmueller: The in-kernel 3304, or your 3304/3305 hybrid?
[15:51:38] j-rod: em28xx-dvb from the tree mkrufky stashed my patches in ages and ages ago
[15:51:52] j-rod: so my hybrid 3304-in-3305
[15:51:56] devinheitmueller: hmmm...
[15:52:08] devinheitmueller: let me look.
[15:52:19] streeter: I updated mythtv from rpmfusion last night, and had to go through various setups and put some things back like I had them. Don't know what happened, not everything got reset.
[15:52:32] j-rod: I suppose I should actually confirm that the same works here
[15:52:56] devinheitmueller: ugh. He's got about fifty trees – do you know exactly which tree we're talking about?
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[15:53:07] devinheitmueller: lgdt3304–3?
[15:54:00] j-rod: yeah, that sounds right
[15:54:04] ** devinheitmueller looks **
[15:54:20] j-rod: top two patches in it should be mine
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[15:56:24] devinheitmueller: ugh, the in-kernel 3304 doesn't even *have* a i2c_gate_ctrl function.
[15:56:34] gbee: streeter: was that the only thing you updated? Is it possible that your hostname changed?
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[15:58:07] devinheitmueller: j-rod: is this a sandwich design (two PCBs back to back) or is it a single PCB?
[15:59:32] j-rod: I believe its a single, but I'm not certain… how would I tell?
[15:59:38] devinheitmueller: You would have to open it up.
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[16:00:13] j-rod: also, how the hell do you fix merge errors in hg?...
[16:00:26] devinheitmueller: j-rod: good question. I usually rebase by hand,.
[16:00:38] j-rod: I fix it, run hg resolve like it told me to, and it winds up back at the failed merged version
[16:00:43] j-rod: le sigh.
[16:01:18] devinheitmueller: You can ask in #linuxtv. If Krufky is there, that's the sort of question he can answer in eight seconds.
[16:01:50] devinheitmueller: doh, no he isn't. nevermind.  :-/
[16:02:14] devinheitmueller: Well, if you haven't opened up the board yet, I'm going to assume that you don't have a scope or logic analyzer.
[16:03:51] j-rod: heh. I don't. I can crack the case open tho. was trying to figure out how to resolve this. time for teh googlez
[16:04:27] streeter: gbee: I didn't change the hostname. It wasn't the same symptoms I see when mythtv can't connect to the database.
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[16:05:31] devinheitmueller: j-rod: there isn't much point in opening it up if you don't have a scope to poke around.
[16:06:11] j-rod: ah
[16:06:30] j-rod: figured out the merge fun at least
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[16:34:34] j-rod: devinheitmueller: confirmed. inverting the gate enable/disable bits does make the stick behave better
[16:34:47] devinheitmueller: really?
[16:34:48] devinheitmueller: weird.
[16:35:14] devinheitmueller: Maybe the tuner isn't behind a gate at all, and asserting the gate is wedging the bus.
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[16:37:13] devinheitmueller: Yeah, I'm not sure. I would probably need to poke around at the board with a scope.
[16:38:36] j-rod: I'm tempted to send one to you
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[16:39:00] j-rod: I do have two of the c2 variant now
[16:39:48] devinheitmueller: I'm not sure I have the cycles to work on it at this point.
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[16:40:28] j-rod: and then there's that :)
[16:40:35] devinheitmueller: If Sage had a commercial interest in seeing it working, that would be one thing. But it's a crappy design and my time would probably be better focused on other products.
[16:40:55] j-rod: ah, hm, right...
[16:41:04] devinheitmueller: You can tell I don't have a particularly high opinion of KWorld hardware.
[16:41:15] j-rod: oh, I don't either
[16:41:46] devinheitmueller: ... and it's not like KWorld developers are actively contributing drivers to the community.
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[16:47:11] j-rod: devinheitmueller: ah well, was mostly hoping that bit of info about the gate inversion would make you say "oh, its this, you moron". Don't give it another thought (unless sage dude wants to pay for your time)
[16:47:24] j-rod: this is hard. I'm going to go play soccer.
[16:47:35] devinheitmueller: Yeah, I suspect that it's not something so obvious.
[16:47:48] devinheitmueller: Getting i2c gate logic correct is surprisingly nontrivial.
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[17:51:46] toeb: what setting do i need to see all my frontends in http://localhost/mythweb/remote ?
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[17:52:18] wagnerrp: you need to enable the remote control port
[17:52:28] toeb: i think i did
[17:52:35] wagnerrp: and restart the frontend
[17:56:09] toeb: NetworkControlEnabled is set to 1
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[17:59:17] toeb: maybe it is an issue with minimyth?
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[18:10:52] jolaren: I don't have any recordings worth keeping on my server and I will wipe the HDD clean now
[18:10:56] jolaren: Is there anything I should save?
[18:11:35] wagnerrp: aside from recordings and mythvideo, theres not much in mythtv that cant be readily recreated
[18:11:48] jolaren: Aight
[18:11:55] wagnerrp: myth just has that steep learning curve for your first one or two installs
[18:11:57] jolaren: Do you have any opinions on my new setup? http://www.komplett.se/k/shoplist.aspx?mode=r . . . 3256B9972106
[18:12:08] jolaren: I have a 1tb disc at home btw so the 500gb disc is just bonus
[18:12:13] jolaren: will act as backend
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[18:13:31] wagnerrp: way over spec on the power supply, nvidia is recommended over ati
[18:13:46] wagnerrp: i would expect that machine to be ~$330 if you built it yourself
[18:13:59] wagnerrp: so however the conversion works...
[18:14:19] jolaren: i am building it myself
[18:15:39] wagnerrp: anyway, youre paying about 25% more than i would expect, based of those prices
[18:15:52] wagnerrp: but that stuff may just be cheaper over here
[18:16:09] jolaren: this is sweden wagnerrp
[18:16:10] jolaren: :P
[18:16:16] jolaren: We're expensive on electronics
[18:16:26] wagnerrp: right, i have no idea how prices are over there
[18:16:27] jolaren: what i listed is around 400 usd
[18:16:38] wagnerrp: right
[18:16:52] wagnerrp: i would pay ~2400Ko for that
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[18:16:58] jolaren: so you recomend a chassi with less psu
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[18:17:03] jolaren: anything else?
[18:17:21] wagnerrp: you will NEVER see anything like 500W
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[18:17:42] jolaren: if I show you a chassi, will you say good or anus?
[18:17:58] Pianoman13: where do i go to find help on the configuration of a wireless for ubuntu 9.10
[18:18:10] iamlindoro: #ubuntu
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[18:19:13] jolaren: ./
[18:19:24] wagnerrp: as one data point... ive got a dual core opteron, and dual core athlon, two boards, one video card, one hardware raid card, 4GB of memory, 14 hard drives, five tuners, two gigabit switches, a DSL modem, a geode-based firewall, and a POTS ATA, all running off one UPS
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[18:19:54] wagnerrp: its currently registering some 325W power consumption, and thats AFTER the inefficiencies of their respective power supplies
[18:20:04] clever: wagnerrp: ive got 2 desktop towers and a monitor running on a UPS, i think its about 25% loaded
[18:20:11] wagnerrp: ive got one thats about 82%, and one in the mid 70s
[18:20:21] jolaren: wagnerrp, what's wrong with the 500W, cuz it drains alot of power or soundlevel?
[18:20:46] wagnerrp: the problem is that power supplies are build for efficiency between about 20–80%
[18:20:58] wagnerrp: youre going to be using a 500W power supply on a machine that idles around 50W
[18:21:37] jolaren: What W level is recomended? lower the better?
[18:22:00] wagnerrp: generally, the lowest youll find a decent supply is in the 300–350W range
[18:22:24] wagnerrp: silverstone and antec both make a nice 80plus rated supply in that range
[18:24:47] jolaren: I'm lookin now just as we speak
[18:25:04] jolaren: Would it affect the performance of the computer if I ran it as let's say a frontend also?
[18:25:11] jolaren: I mean it would be more worth to spend money on
[18:25:32] wagnerrp: not considerably, digital tuners require almost no CPU
[18:25:41] wagnerrp: however it will mean your frontend has to be considerably larger and louder
[18:25:47] wagnerrp: to hold the tuners and hard drives
[18:25:49] jolaren: I see
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[18:26:09] jolaren: Only reason I picked that chassi with the 500w psu was cuz its cheap
[18:26:11] bonelifer: Do you have a recommendation for a certain brand of UPS?
[18:26:41] wagnerrp: see above
[18:27:02] andreas_dk: Hey All, I need a few pointers on setting up a wintv pvr usb2 device on a running myth install
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[18:29:05] andreas_dk: wagnerrp: Thanks for the pointers earlier. I tried setting the card up as a MPEG device and i manually added a channel but when the frontend starts the log says "TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started"
[18:31:25] Stevieman: Does anyone know if I can run coax and rca inputs on a PVR-150 at the same time? Well not at the same time but myth flip back and forth between them? I got an old FTA receiver and I can access NASA and ION tv now and I'd like to add them to my channel list along with my cable channels but do I need another card or can I use the 150 and when I'm watching ION Myth would know to use the RCA inputs. Is my thinking correct?
[18:31:48] devinheitmueller: Stevieman: yeah, you can do that.
[18:32:05] wagnerrp: you can connect the rf, composite, and svideo connectors all at the same time
[18:32:09] devinheitmueller: Just define both inputs (the s-video and the tuner input), and make sure you put both inputs into the same input group so that MythTV doesn't try to use them both at the same time.
[18:32:18] wagnerrp: (although there is only the one audio input shared between svideo and composite)
[18:32:25] Stevieman: I thought I could but I wanted to make sure before I invested the time.
[18:32:50] wagnerrp: you can even get the daughter card to have an additional switchable svideo and composite input
[18:33:09] devinheitmueller: Oh, what wagnerrp said is true – you would have to use the svideo or composite with the tuner, but not the svideo *and* composite because there is only one audio input.
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[18:33:26] Stevieman: I think the next card I get wil be an ATSC card then a DVB-S card
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[18:33:43] wagnerrp: DVB-S will do you very little good
[18:33:45] devinheitmueller: Not sure how useful a DVB-S card would be to you.
[18:33:49] devinheitmueller: (in the United States)
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[18:34:06] wagnerrp: there are broadcasts you can
[18:34:08] Stevieman: there is lots of free tv on C-band
[18:34:20] wagnerrp: but the majority of it will be religious or alternate language broadcasts
[18:34:31] wagnerrp: or will be shows you otherwise get over ATSC
[18:34:54] Stevieman: my DTV options where I am are limited
[18:34:55] devinheitmueller: That was my understanding – there wasn't much of value for free on dvb-s that you couldn't already get via ATSC.
[18:35:02] wagnerrp: also... i would highly recommend just buying an ATSC tuner, rather than dealing with a PVR-150 and a DTA box
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[18:36:01] andreas_dk: Any pointers on "Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(471.25): Error, failed to find channel." when using wintv pvr usb2
[18:36:06] Beirdo: anyone here use a video card with HDMI output for myth? Is it easy to get the audio integrated over HDMI?
[18:36:10] Stevieman: absolutely, I might keep the 150 card and use the fta receiver t power the motor and LNB. I haven't read much encouraging news on DVB-S cards and controlling a motor
[18:36:19] wagnerrp: Beirdo: depends on the card
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[18:36:49] Beirdo: wagnerrp: K, well, I'm thinking of rebuilding in a few months, and I want to go that route if possible
[18:37:06] Beirdo: preferrably with a vdpau-capable nvidia card :)
[18:37:17] wagnerrp: the onboard 8/9 series nvidia, the GT series, and some of the AMD cards all have built in audio support
[18:37:26] wagnerrp: the older nvidia cards had to use a spdif passthrough
[18:37:32] Beirdo: K
[18:37:33] Stevieman: Is pastebin good for showing problems I am having with nuvexport?
[18:37:46] Beirdo: well, I'd want newer nvidia anyways
[18:37:57] Beirdo: Stevieman: yeah, usually the best bet
[18:38:08] wagnerrp: ive got a 8200 hooked up that way currently, just hdmi and usb being run up through the floor
[18:38:11] bonelifer: I thought thet GT series didn't have the audio working through HDMI yet.
[18:38:17] Beirdo: nice :)
[18:38:40] wagnerrp: bonelifer: dont know for certain, the mailing list seemed to indicate they did
[18:38:56] Beirdo: using as few cables as possible... and easy connection to an HDTV...
[18:38:57] Beirdo: yay
[18:38:58] Jeffrey: ok well took the advise yesterday and install mythbuntu and it all went ok but im still not able to view live tv .. was hoping some one could point me in the correct direction please
[18:39:04] bonelifer: hrmrm, just saw some stuff that said otherwise on the GT-2XX series at least
[18:39:14] bonelifer: Would be great to be wrong
[18:39:15] wagnerrp: if only this CEC stuff became standard practice, i wouldnt need the USB
[18:40:50] andreas_dk: wagnerrp: Sorry to keep bothering you but is there any chance you could throw a few more bones at me regarding the hauppauge wintv pvr usb2 device ??
[18:41:01] Jeffrey: i get snow from cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg
[18:41:02] Stevieman: So I tried using NUVexport to make a xvid of shows I've recorded for my son to save space and it's stops early and tells me to run with the --debug option to find out what went wrong. I can's find the problem as I don't know what I should be looking for. Any help would be appreciated here is the output. I used all defaults for this attempt. http://pastebin.com/m71185ab5
[18:41:58] andreas_dk: Jeffrey: You are pretty much where i am...
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[18:42:46] Beirdo: Stevieman: define "stops early" :)
[18:43:05] wagnerrp: andreas_dk: check your backend logs to see why livetv is failing
[18:43:18] Beirdo: heheh
[18:43:28] wagnerrp: if youre getting an mpeg stream out of the card, mythtv should work just fine
[18:43:29] Beirdo: "backend logs"... shouldn't you flush & wipe? :)
[18:43:47] wagnerrp: its probably failing to tune
[18:43:59] Beirdo: sorry... I'm in an infantile mood today. Must be the stress
[18:44:34] Stevieman: Beirdo: nuvexport reports that transcode died early
[18:44:37] wagnerrp: some might call that 'getting a fax'
[18:44:45] Beirdo: Stevieman: PL
[18:44:48] Beirdo: OK even
[18:44:55] wagnerrp: hehe... i hate that
[18:45:02] Stevieman: PL?
[18:45:07] Beirdo: hmm.
[18:45:10] Jeffrey: andreas_dk well im not alone ...lol ..i was sure of that ..
[18:45:10] Beirdo: typo
[18:45:11] wagnerrp: one key off OK
[18:45:16] Stevieman: :)
[18:45:16] andreas_dk: wagnerrp: Only relevant mesage seems to be "Channel(/dev/video0) Error: GetCurrentChannelNum(471.25): Failed to find Channel"
[18:45:34] Beirdo: I would suggest running each of the forked commands in turn
[18:45:37] wagnerrp: andreas_dk: then you have a default channel set that does not exist
[18:45:55] Beirdo: don't forget the mkdir system call :)
[18:46:11] Beirdo: see where it's dying
[18:46:13] Stevieman: Beirdo: just copy and paste and see what happens?
[18:46:27] Beirdo: pretty sure you need to put mythtranscode one in the background though
[18:46:32] Jeffrey: so how does one set the channel to 73 I believe that is what I have to do as that is how i set the tv to watch tv2
[18:46:34] Beirdo: yup
[18:46:51] Stevieman: alrighty, this will take a few mins :)
[18:46:56] andreas_dk: wagnerrp: Does not exists as in. That frequency is empty or as in That channel doesnt exist in mythtv. I created the channel manually
[18:46:59] Beirdo: at least you'll see what is causing transcode to barf, we hope
[18:47:20] Jeffrey: ah I will be still untill andreas_dk is done ... sorry
[18:47:27] wagnerrp: andreas_dk: each tuner card is set with a default channel
[18:47:32] Beirdo: it's been YEARS since I worked on nuvexport with xris, so I'm refreshing my brain as we go along
[18:47:37] wagnerrp: thats the last channel that you have tuned to in mythtv
[18:47:50] wagnerrp: after adding the channel through the channel manager
[18:48:01] wagnerrp: you have to go back into the input setup, and set a default channel
[18:48:07] wagnerrp: or mythtv will fail to start livetv
[18:48:15] wagnerrp: you should be able to record off it however
[18:48:28] Jeffrey: ah .. :) and i do that under mythtv-setup ?
[18:48:31] wagnerrp: you just cant do livetv, since it doesnt know where to start
[18:48:59] andreas_dk: wagnerrp: Got it. In my case i have two cards One DVB (working fine) and the pvr usb2 card with problems. Each card has its own input source. I have set the start channel for the pvr usb2 card to the channel i manually created
[18:49:39] andreas_dk: Jeffrey: No worries. I suspect we may have similar problems
[18:51:09] Stevieman: Beirdo: so the first command sets up transcode if I am not mistaken, I open a new terminal and run the second fork and I get this error, [transcode] critical: bad argument for -V/--video_format, should be one of: yuv420p (default), yuv422p, rgb24
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[18:56:01] andreas_dk: wagerrp: i did setup the start channel in the channel manager. Its really strange
[19:00:35] andreas_dk: wagnerrp: could i have made an error when creating the channel?? Do i need to enter anything besides a frequency ??
[19:05:10] Beirdo: Stevieman: ahhh
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[19:05:24] Beirdo: the -V in that command line was for verbose
[19:05:31] andreas_dk: wagerrp:Let me just sum up the situation so you know exactly what i've got.
[19:05:39] Beirdo: it looks like transcode changed their command line args
[19:05:49] andreas_dk: wagnerrp:The device is an Hauppauge Wintv pvr USB2.
[19:05:54] Beirdo: does --verbose exist?
[19:05:57] andreas_dk: wagnerrp:The device seems to be regocknized and judging by the syslog the driver loads without problems
[19:06:05] andreas_dk: wagnerrp:There seems to be input from the /dev/video0 device when i do cat /dev/video0 >> test.mpeg
[19:06:14] andreas_dk: wagnerrp:In other words, the device loos like it is working
[19:06:21] andreas_dk: wagnerrp:In Mythtv i have created a new input source
[19:06:27] andreas_dk: wagnerrp:I have created a new channel and assigned it to the new input source
[19:06:32] andreas_dk: wagnerrp:I have set the start channel for the input source to the newly created channel
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[19:08:49] andreas_dk: wagnerrp:As far as i can tell everything should work but it doesnt
[19:08:58] andreas_dk: wagnerrp:Any pointers on how to debug this, im pretty lost and fear that the problem may be located between the chair and the screen
[19:10:37] Jeffrey: ok andreas
[19:10:55] Jeffrey: I just go it to show live tv from the cat option ..
[19:11:14] andreas_dk: Jefrrey:Awesome, what did you do ?
[19:11:21] Jeffrey: I had to use the ivtv-utils ... command was ivtv-tune -c 73 for me
[19:11:34] andreas_dk: what device are you using ?
[19:11:52] Jeffrey: I installed ivtv-utils and set the channel to see the singel on chan 73 /dev/video0
[19:12:26] Jeffrey: so all that I know is working is my tuner card to capture the signel on chan 73....
[19:12:58] andreas_dk: Jeffrey:Thats a substantial move forwards. What device are you using ??
[19:13:14] Jeffrey: so when i run cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg then use vlc media to play the file I see live tv right now  !!
[19:13:29] Jeffrey: dvr 1600 hauppauge
[19:13:43] andreas_dk: ok, probably fairly similar
[19:14:03] andreas_dk: Jeffrey: Im installing ivtv utils now
[19:14:08] Jeffrey: I have a pvr 150 up stairs but wanted to test the mythbuntu first with out wipen out my upstairs computer
[19:14:09] Jeffrey: k ..
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[19:15:51] Jeffrey2: damn thats at least nice to seee .. don't want to stop the view its very nice
[19:18:35] andreas_dk: Jeffrey:Whooohoo!! Got live tv when catting to mpeg file
[19:19:10] andreas_dk: Jeffrey: Doesnt that suggest that the ivtv card type should be selected in Myth
[19:19:40] andreas_dk: Jeffrey: damn it already was
[19:20:15] Jeffrey2: well I found this to set up myth with the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600
[19:21:06] Jeffrey2: about 1/2 way down it gave step by step to configure mythtv-setup
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[19:22:01] andreas_dk: Jeffrey: Thanks, i think i've pretty much done the same
[19:22:40] andreas_dk: Jeffrey: I think wagnerrp may just have been right when he said it was a channel setup problem. Im gonna go through my myth setup again
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[19:26:57] vanksi: are there channels for transcode or mencoder? i can't for the life of me figure out the settings to transcode a recording so that 1. it would crop 1 pixel from the top 2. rezise to 640xHHH 3. output size would be 175MB xvid in avi container 4. use 2 pass
[19:27:23] wagnerrp: why avi?
[19:27:28] wagnerrp: why 2 pass?
[19:28:03] Beirdo: because that's what he wants :)
[19:28:26] Beirdo: vanksi: use nuvexport
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[19:28:42] wagnerrp: i mean there are better options than avi, especially if you want to have VBR audio
[19:28:49] Beirdo: pretty sure it does all or nearly all of that
[19:29:10] wagnerrp: a lot of stuff you probably want to do with avi is additional functionality hacked on, which was never originally intended
[19:29:16] wagnerrp: so there are bugs associated with it
[19:29:34] Beirdo: meh
[19:29:56] vanksi: Beirdo, it doesn't work, just dies prematurely
[19:30:00] wagnerrp: 2-pass encoding takes considerable extra time, and the only thing it gets you is a precise output size
[19:30:06] Beirdo: xvid/avi is a fairly well known output format, and doing two-pass is just for quality
[19:30:07] wagnerrp: if you dont need exactly 175MB files
[19:30:24] Beirdo: vanksi: well, Stevieman JUST reported the same thing
[19:30:38] wagnerrp: just set a quantizer youre happy with that will make approximately that size
[19:30:43] Beirdo: it seems transcode changed the command line options
[19:31:01] Beirdo: we have -V as verbose, and it is now for videotype
[19:31:23] Beirdo: can one of you please find out if transcode has --verbose?
[19:32:10] Beirdo: either way, someone should raise a bug for nuvexport... looks like I have a bug to squash, unless xris has time
[19:33:05] Beirdo: I have no devel machine at the moment, but I can certainly point you to what to hand-edit until I can patch it, etc
[19:33:36] Jeffrey2: I am still not able to view live tv in myth
[19:33:39] Jeffrey2: hrmmm ..
[19:33:45] Beirdo: my devel machine blew its power supply... my RAID card is dead (ebayed a replacement last night)... not a good time :)
[19:34:17] wagnerrp: was that one event? or multiple?
[19:34:27] Beirdo: several... two different boxes
[19:34:30] andreas_dk: Jeffrey2: Im with you. Got the exact same prob
[19:34:31] wagnerrp: ah
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[19:34:36] Beirdo: gotta love third-world power grids
[19:34:46] wagnerrp: was wondering if the power supply took the raid card with it
[19:35:04] Beirdo: nope.  :)
[19:35:15] Jeffrey2: andreas_dk, so what is next I wonder
[19:35:32] Beirdo: I was trying to empty the RAID last night... just couldn't get the controller to respond. tis fubar
[19:35:58] andreas_dk: Jeffrey2: Im convinced its a tuning problem. Did you check your backend log ?
[19:36:06] Beirdo: Adaptec 2410SA.
[19:36:08] Beirdo: anyways
[19:36:31] Jeffrey2: andreas_dk, how if you could be so kind ..im very new here
[19:36:47] Beirdo: I'll try to get a devel environment up tonight on the last PC I have standing, so hopefully I can fix that nuvexport bug
[19:36:56] wagnerrp: worth investing in a big power conditioner?
[19:37:10] andreas_dk: Jeffrey2: My first day here too
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[19:37:34] Beirdo: worth buying a generator if I had the money and inclination
[19:37:41] andreas_dk: Jeffrey2: in a console type: tail -f /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[19:37:52] Beirdo: the bad power has fried thousands of dollars worth of computer stuff already
[19:37:57] Beirdo: even with UPS
[19:37:57] andreas_dk: Jeffrey2: Assuming you running on some kind of ubuntu
[19:38:01] wagnerrp: generator wont do anything for unclean power
[19:38:07] Beirdo: sure it will
[19:38:13] Beirdo: go off-grid
[19:38:14] Beirdo: :)
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[19:38:31] wagnerrp: and a UPS wont do anything unless it has a build in conditioner, or is always active
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[19:38:34] Beirdo: big mofo diesel generator pissing off the neighbors
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[19:38:57] wagnerrp: you only see those in 1kVA+ units
[19:39:07] Beirdo: yup
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[19:40:16] Beirdo: anyways... I'm in the process of consolidating a bunch of busted boxes into one
[19:40:25] Jeffrey2: andreas_dk, here is my log of the backend http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1801877
[19:40:27] Beirdo: onto a 2TB external drive
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[19:41:04] Beirdo: the AMD X2 box is the one with dead powersupply. bah :)
[19:41:17] Jeffrey2: wagnerrp is this solvable http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1801877 .. its the print out of the backend.log
[19:41:19] Beirdo: All I have left is a Xeon based Dell
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[19:42:03] andreas_dk: Jeffrey2:Look at lines 8 and 9. are you sure you have setup channels in the backend and are you sure that you've setup a startup channel foir the inout source ??
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[19:42:38] Jeffrey2: no i am not sure .. will look right now k .
[19:43:15] wagnerrp: i love those plain english error codes... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8089
[19:43:43] wagnerrp: BTW iamlindoro, thats got to be some sort of record for response time
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[19:44:28] iamlindoro: totally blows my ability to pretend I'm not at the computer, though ;)
[19:46:04] Beirdo: nice closure on that one :)
[19:46:53] kormoc: "I won't repair my database. Why did you crash it!?!?1? Do you just hate me?!?!?!?!!"
[19:47:01] Beirdo: heh
[19:47:03] Beirdo: hrrrrm.
[19:47:19] Beirdo: don't remember my login/password
[19:47:21] Beirdo: heh
[19:47:35] wagnerrp: anyone else just read that with the voice from Portal?
[19:47:35] bonelifer: lol, somebody actually said that?
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[19:48:01] jamiem: !seen kormoc
[19:48:01] MythLogBot: kormoc is here and has been idle for 1 minute 8 seconds
[19:48:14] gbee: bonelifer: no, but it wouldn't be the silliest thing posted to trac
[19:48:16] ** kormoc hides **
[19:48:17] jamiem: oh; +v
[19:48:18] Beirdo: run away!
[19:48:28] jamiem: that's why I didn't see you in amongst the k's
[19:48:39] ** wagnerrp catapults a cow **
[19:48:44] jamiem: kormoc: I would like to thank you for putting the close button on listings popups in mythweb
[19:48:46] bonelifer: ah, well I thought we had the Uber Nubs over at phpBB.com apparently they are everywhere.
[19:48:55] jamiem: kormoc: I came here just to say this. It was on my TODO list for ages but I never got round to it :/
[19:50:16] andreas_dk: Jeffrey2: Major breakthrough. Got snow in myth. If i enter a channel name from "ivtv-tune --freqtable=europe-west -l" in the myth channel setup it actually works. Only problem is that my channels arent located where they should be
[19:50:18] kormoc: You're quite welcome
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[19:52:03] andreas_dk: Can anybody help me figure out how to enter a frequency instead of a channel number in the channel setup ??
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[19:53:52] Jeffrey2: andreas_dk, i do not get it .. where do Is that done
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[19:54:17] andreas_dk: Jeffrey2: Go into mythtv backend setup, you there?
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[19:54:38] Jeffrey2: i do not knwo how to go there and be here ..
[19:55:22] andreas_dk: Jeffrey2: Ok, sou you have a video srouce in there right ??
[19:55:36] Jeffrey2: andreas_dk, is the from a term type mythtv-setup or mythbackend ?
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[19:56:39] andreas_dk: mythtv-setup.real will do
[19:58:55] Jeffrey2: k got it ..alt+tab got me back to here
[19:58:57] Jeffrey2: :)
[19:58:58] wagnerrp: andreas_dk: only in ubuntu/mythbuntu, and then only if you understand the difference between mythtv-setup and mythtv-setup.real
[19:59:34] Jeffrey2: opps I do not know the diff .. will run mythtv-setup
[19:59:52] Stevieman: Beirdo: sorry man I had to run, my daughter needed to be fed and my son is sick :) Happy house
[20:00:15] Beirdo: these things happen
[20:00:30] Stevieman: I did a transcode --verbose and it said an argument was required
[20:00:47] Beirdo: if you or vanksi could open a ticket (if one doesn't exist yet) I'll try to fix this tonight
[20:00:54] Stevieman: I don't feel like fighting with it right now ;)
[20:01:03] Beirdo: understandable
[20:01:09] wagnerrp: Jeffrey2: mythbuntu replaced the original binary with a wrapper script, which works with their init script to perform various tasks in addition to what mythtv-setup normally does
[20:01:12] Stevieman: Ok where do I open the ticket
[20:01:27] Stevieman: I'll have to do it later, got some messy laundry to do
[20:01:27] Beirdo: svn.mythtv.org/trac
[20:01:57] andreas_dk: wagnerrp: Thanks for correcting me, been playing with myth for a week so im hardly in a position to help :)
[20:02:10] Stevieman: I'll open a ticket once my wife gets up, I've got to run for now, Thanks for the help
[20:02:21] Beirdo: not a problem
[20:02:38] wagnerrp: andreas_dk: to be honest, i dont know off hand what all it does either, ive not used mythbuntu
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[20:03:26] j-rod: devinheitmueller: so if I make tda18271_i2c_gate_ctrl do nada (just return 0 immediately), the stick works perfectly
[20:03:59] j-rod: I see a number of other devices where part of their device config struct includes a .disable_i2c_gate_ctrl
[20:04:17] devinheitmueller: hmmm....
[20:04:20] j-rod: darn, still no mkrufky
[20:04:38] andreas_dk: wagnerrp: I've got myth to show snow which is great news. Im strugling with entering frequencies in the channel setup. If i enter a channel it works (but shows snow), if i enter a frequency it doesnt work (got the wont change channel error). I've tried: 210.25, 210,25 210.25kHz ....
[20:04:49] Beirdo: no but I'm here :)
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[20:04:54] devinheitmueller: Ok, here's something to try: in em28xx-dvb.c, set the i2c_gate_ctrl member of the dvb struct to be NULL.
[20:04:56] Beirdo: hehe
[20:05:13] devinheitmueller: j-rod: (I mean after the two dvb_attach calls)
[20:05:38] devinheitmueller: hmmm... better yet, put it between the two calls (after the lgdt3305 attact and before the tda18271 attach)
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[20:06:54] j-rod: ok, trying that out now...
[20:07:14] devinheitmueller: I cannot really tell you whether that board doesn't have a gate at all or not. Many of the em28xx designs did not.
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[20:09:24] j-rod: no i2c_gate_ctrl member in struct em28xx_dvb
[20:10:07] ** j-rod hunts around... **
[20:11:12] j-rod: trying dvb->frontend ->opt.i2c_gate_ctrl = NULL;
[20:11:16] andreas_dk: wagnerrp: Got it: how hard can converting mHz to kHz be. Quite hard :)
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[20:11:51] devinheitmueller: Well, there are 1024 KHz in a MHz, right?  ;-)
[20:12:04] Some_Person: I managed to get MythTV to scan for analog channels with my card, and it finds 2–19 OK, but then stops on 20 (which doesn't exist on my cable system)
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[20:12:29] devinheitmueller: Some_Person: with 0.22? The analog channel scanner is known to be completely hosed in 0.22.
[20:12:38] devinheitmueller: I'm impressed it didn't lock up on channel 4.
[20:13:25] Some_Person: Is there any way to tell it to just skip 20 (I'm assuming it stopped because there is no channel 20)?
[20:13:41] devinheitmueller: The analog channel scanner is *supposed* to be disabled, in 0.22, but there is at least one way to get to it anyway (as I stumbled across it by accident once)
[20:13:57] Some_Person: I'm not sure which version I have
[20:14:02] devinheitmueller: It's not really because of channel 20. If you ran it again, it could just as easily fail at channel 7, or 12, or any other channel.
[20:14:15] Some_Person: No, I ran it 4 times. It stopped on 20 every time
[20:14:23] devinheitmueller: There's a timing bug in there, so it could fail at any point.
[20:14:52] Some_Person: It says "No Lock" for 20, and it doesn't do anything else
[20:15:05] j-rod: devinheitmueller: that also works… (channel scan works, anyway) though it looks like rf tracking filter calibration never got done.
[20:15:06] devinheitmueller: Yup, that's the symptom people see when they hit the bug.
[20:15:22] devinheitmueller: j-rod: the calibration should get done at the first tuning attempt.
[20:15:33] devinheitmueller: it never gets done at all?
[20:15:34] devinheitmueller: :-/
[20:15:37] j-rod: yeah, didn't get done this time
[20:15:48] devinheitmueller: Did it actually find any channels?
[20:15:50] j-rod: was getting done with the early ret in the tda18271 function
[20:15:53] j-rod: it did
[20:15:56] devinheitmueller: weird.
[20:16:07] devinheitmueller: j-rod: Oh, are you doing an analog or digital scan
[20:16:11] Some_Person: It should have no lock for 20 anyway, because there is no analog 20 on my cable system
[20:16:27] j-rod: digital scan
[20:16:35] devinheitmueller: j-rod: ok.
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[20:17:10] devinheitmueller: Some_Person: if you're using 0.22, then all bets are off. The channel scanner is completely unsupported and you would need to use SchedulesDirect or add the channels manually.
[20:17:27] devinheitmueller: The fact that you were able to invoke the analog scanner *at all* is a bug.
[20:17:44] Some_Person: Another problem: I go to "Watch TV" in the frontend, and it says "Please wait...." for a few seconds, then chucks me back to the main menu
[20:17:58] devinheitmueller: Some_Person: which tuner is this with?
[20:18:09] Some_Person: Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1950
[20:18:19] devinheitmueller: hmm...
[20:18:21] j-rod: devinheitmueller: ok, it *did* do rf tracking cal after a full unplug/replug the hardware
[20:19:02] devinheitmueller: j-rod: ok. It could be that if you did not unplug/plug the last time you updated the driver, the tda18271 state may have persisted across the driver shutdown/reinitialization.
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[20:19:16] j-rod: yep, that's what I was thinking
[20:19:19] devinheitmueller: ok, great.
[20:19:40] devinheitmueller: Some_Person: take a look at the mythbackend.log and see if it indicates the cause of failure.
[20:19:55] Some_Person: Where is that file located?
[20:20:12] devinheitmueller: Some_Person: Depends on your distro. Try /var/log/mythtv
[20:20:31] j-rod: without the recal every time, this stick actually scans quite quickly
[20:20:37] henkpoley: Is it possible to restore 0.21 behaviour of the "view recordings" menu where you could get it to show a menu where you can delete a show (without having a delete button on your remote) ?
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[20:21:11] devinheitmueller: j-rod: I think the lock time should be around a second (assuming no calibration).
[20:21:28] Some_Person: Could this be the problem? From the log: 2010-02–18 14:17:06.705 Channel(/dev/video1)::Open(): Can't open video device, error "Operation not permitted"
[20:21:29] devinheitmueller: It pales in comparison to the 300ms I can get with some of the xc5000 based devices, but still not bad.
[20:21:45] devinheitmueller: Some_Person: Yeah, that would be a problem.  :-)
[20:22:08] devinheitmueller: check your permissions and make sure that whatever user the mythtv backend runs as has rights to that device node.
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[20:23:57] Some_Person: What should I specfically do? I hate permissions
[20:24:14] devinheitmueller: ls -l /dev/video1
[20:24:35] devinheitmueller: ps auxw | grep myth
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[20:24:57] j-rod: devinheitmueller: lock time feels like a lot less than a second, actually
[20:25:23] j-rod: and I have a new idea...
[20:25:50] Some_Person: http://paste.ubuntu.com/379303/
[20:26:17] devinheitmueller: Some_Person: Ok, is the "mythtv" user in the "video" group according to the /etc/groups file?
[20:26:32] gpd: how can i fix my 'many channels' duplicates, some distorting problem?
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[20:26:58] Some_Person: /etc/groups: No such file or directory
[20:27:04] devinheitmueller: Some_Person: run: grep video /etc/group
[20:27:11] devinheitmueller: Sorry, I typo'd the filename.
[20:27:26] Some_Person: video:x:44:mythtv
[20:27:34] devinheitmueller: hmm, looks ok.
[20:27:37] j-rod: didn't pan out, darn
[20:28:02] devinheitmueller: j-rod: what was your idea? It sounds like you have it working.
[20:28:29] devinheitmueller: Some_Person: Yeah, maybe someone else can provide some insight as to other causes for that error.
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[20:35:15] j-rod: devinheitmueller: working with a few of the other tda18271_config options right now
[20:35:27] j-rod: particularly the i2c and gate related ones
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[20:38:20] brad2: hey guys, what do you think of 5900rpm drives? I was thinking of buying a couple of seagate 2tb drives, but worried about the 5900rpm speed for myth
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[20:39:41] Jeffrey2: going to try and reboot .. it will now at least scan for channels so that more then before ..brb
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[20:42:34] gpd: i seem to have 7 tranports — i this usual for UK?
[20:42:53] gpd: anyone else having problems scanning for channels recently?
[20:43:14] gpd: i get 52 new channel and 80 conflictig and 4 unusetransports
[20:43:18] Some_Person: I did a quick google search and nothing seemed to come up for my error
[20:43:23] gpd: *unused
[20:43:53] justinh: gpd: no, most you should have is 6. if analogue has been switched off you'll have 5
[20:44:06] justinh: gpd: this all assumes you can only receive one transmitter site
[20:44:30] justinh: I don't understand all that new scan stuff :-(
[20:45:44] gpd: justinh: we live next to each other — have you got any idea which transport to scan on – or are you doing full scan ok?
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[20:46:12] justinh: next to?
[20:46:36] justinh: depending on which part of mancyland you live you might be picking up the welsh masts too
[20:46:40] j-rod: devinheitmueller: I take it back, its probably around a second for a lock
[20:46:58] j-rod: I have a minimally invasive workaround that makes things function
[20:47:26] gpd: justinh: south manc. near stockport
[20:47:46] j-rod: tda18271_config has a .gate option, which is currently _AUTO, _DIGITAL or _ANALOG. If I simply extend it a bit to support _NONE, this stick works quite well
[20:47:50] devinheitmueller: j-rod: yeah,the only way to get an actual timing is to add some code to either the frontend driver or one of the apps.
[20:47:58] devinheitmueller: hmmm....
[20:48:21] devinheitmueller: I'm not sure what gate that is. I would be quite surprised to find the 18271 has an i2c gate of its own.
[20:48:45] j-rod: i.e., in the device-specific config, set .gate = _NONE, then in tda18271_i2c_gate_ctrl, if _NONE, just return
[20:48:47] devinheitmueller: Do those fields effect the register programming of the 18271? Or do they effect the logic of whether to call the i2c gate in the frontend?
[20:49:17] justinh: gpd: maybe you're getting the welshies too then
[20:49:26] j-rod: only affects the tda18271_i2c_gate_ctrl function, I think, lemme double-check that though
[20:49:56] justinh: gpd: there *are* only five active muxes from Winter Hill though. technically six but you can't receive dvb-t2 yet :D
[20:50:09] gpd: i have 49x 80x 66x 47x 77x 79x 74x Hz
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[20:51:04] gpd: 49x and 80x both havev tid 4168 -maybe the problem?
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[20:51:24] gpd: guess i should seek out the manual on this :(
[20:51:29] j-rod: devinheitmueller: yep, that's the only function that actually acts on it
[20:51:35] high-rez: Man, haven't seen many checkins on trunk. Has feature development been frozen for a new release? :D
[20:51:44] j-rod: high-rez: yes
[20:52:00] devinheitmueller: j-rod: interesting.
[20:52:37] devinheitmueller: j-rod: I assume that is a field you can specify in the tda18271_config at board initialization?
[20:52:42] j-rod: yep
[20:52:46] devinheitmueller: cool
[20:52:58] high-rez: Neato burrito. Its been really really stable for me as of late.
[20:53:26] j-rod: so this becomes a 3-part patch… 1 to add 3304 support to the 3305 driver, 2 to add the NONE option for gate in tda18271, and 3, add the bits for the card to em28xx
[20:53:48] devinheitmueller: Yeah, you will definitely need to get mkrufky's signoff on the second patch.
[20:53:53] devinheitmueller: He is *very* protective of that driver.
[20:55:50] j-rod: yep, I know — and of the 3305, actually :)
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[21:00:04] justinh: gpd: got a pastebin coming for yer
[21:00:33] justinh: gpd: http://pastebin.com/m7fe1d9d1
[21:02:56] gpd: justinh: lovely jubley – ta :
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[21:04:29] justinh: gpd: thinking about it, two muxes of 9018 transportid must mean 2 of the same thing. so you's getting welshies
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[21:04:49] justinh: or maybe a weaker local relay
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[21:05:47] gpd: Yes — it seems to be the evil 49xxx Hz that i need to get rid of
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[21:09:25] Some_Person: Does anyone know how to solve my "operation not permitted"?
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[21:12:00] iamlindoro: You're trying to scan with a tuner without creating a Video source and associating it with that input
[21:12:20] iamlindoro: the steps in mythtv-setup re numbered because they are all required, and all must be done in order
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[21:12:27] iamlindoro: suggest reading the manual about setup carefully
[21:12:56] j-rod: devinheitmueller: I take back my take back. On freqs where there's actually something there, it locks in easily under a second
[21:14:33] mkrufky: j-rod: i cant chat on facebook — its killing me
[21:14:35] mkrufky: i have been here all day
[21:14:45] mkrufky: just didnt sign into #mythtv-users till just now
[21:14:52] j-rod: d'oh.
[21:14:53] mkrufky: but ping (actual ping) works :-P
[21:15:20] j-rod: was primarily looking for you in #linuxtv, didn't see you there, assumed you weren't on
[21:15:31] mkrufky: it happens to everyone ... once you get hired by a company that likes you for linux reasons, eventually your time online dwindles and dwindles
[21:15:50] j-rod: haha, I know all too well how that goes, especially right now...
[21:15:50] mkrufky: generally, i sign into #those when i need somethign for my ADD to chew on
[21:16:02] mkrufky: today for example.......
[21:16:13] mkrufky: i have nothing to say about LOST, because i feel like the storyline is clean-cut (now)
[21:16:19] mkrufky: so... no reason to hop into irc rooms :-P
[21:16:23] ** j-rod has a lot less time for fedora right now, for example... **
[21:16:24] mkrufky: im just being silly
[21:16:25] mkrufky: anyway
[21:16:33] Some_Person: I don't know what to do. Every permissions thing I check seems fine, but when it comes to the damn thing actually working, "Operation not permitted"
[21:16:41] mkrufky: i saw the guy's email about the i2c gate thing being wired backwards
[21:16:53] mkrufky: in the end, it translates to gpios being wrong in the empia driver
[21:17:00] mkrufky: (like i originally said)
[21:17:46] devinheitmueller: mkrufky: what would it have to do with the GPIO?
[21:17:51] j-rod: I can't figure out for the life of me which gpio setting needs changing to what, have tried damned near everything
[21:17:53] devinheitmueller: The i2c gate is not tied to the GPIOs.
[21:18:17] j-rod: but simply not doing anything in tda18271_i2c_gate_ctrl (just return 0) makes the stick behave quite well
[21:18:24] devinheitmueller: It seems like the thing is not wired to an i2c gate at all.
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[21:19:18] mkrufky: tda18271_i2c_gate_ctrl shall not be touched
[21:19:32] mkrufky: it means that it's calling into the lgdt3304 code that you wrote
[21:19:36] mkrufky: and its breaking something
[21:19:38] mkrufky: *or*
[21:19:46] devinheitmueller: mkrufky: I actually proposed having him set the i2c_gate_ctrl func to NULL after the dvb_attach().
[21:19:49] mkrufky: you maybe didnt write an i2c gate crtrl handler for the 3304
[21:19:54] mkrufky: and maybe you're relying on my 3305 code
[21:20:13] mkrufky: im sorry, this sounds like a mess to me
[21:20:23] mkrufky: the lgdt3305 driver rocks, i dont want it to become unstable
[21:20:53] devinheitmueller: mkrufky: he's using your 3305 driver (with the 3304 patches). The mrec 3304 driver didn't have an i2c gate ctrl call implemented at all.
[21:21:03] ** mkrufky knows **
[21:21:05] j-rod: http://wilsonet.com/jarod/junk/kworld-with-tda-hack.patch
[21:21:29] Beirdo: junk.. heheh
[21:22:03] devinheitmueller: I share mkrufky's doubts that this should be a 18271 change. I think the bridge should be saying there is no gate, since it's a board profile thing (leaving the 18271 driver as-is).
[21:22:09] mkrufky: its no doubt
[21:22:09] Beirdo: I likely woulda made a "crap" directory, so not much different
[21:22:12] mkrufky: its a NO
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[21:22:42] devinheitmueller: mkrufky: well, thank you for asserting yourself as being God amongst all of us idiots.
[21:22:48] mkrufky: great
[21:22:49] mkrufky: heh
[21:22:52] mkrufky: i have to run
[21:22:57] mkrufky: let me know when u have something, j-rod
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[21:23:12] high-rez: *blink*
[21:23:43] Beirdo: hmmm
[21:24:10] high-rez: that was like a nasty lkml thread in real time.
[21:24:24] devinheitmueller: sorry mythtv-user guys. That conversation probably should have gone on over at #linuxtv.
[21:24:56] ** j-rod chuckles **
[21:25:13] Beirdo: we'll survive :)
[21:25:23] Beirdo: not much else going on it seemse
[21:25:37] high-rez: I for one enjoyed the exchange.  :D
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[21:26:17] devinheitmueller: Well, I hope that give you userland people some insight into how kernel linuxtv developers arrive at decisions.  :-)
[21:26:35] j-rod: I think I see a new fix...
[21:26:41] Beirdo: :)
[21:26:45] j-rod: er, way to config this to the same end
[21:27:00] devinheitmueller: Hard to imagine why we still don't have SNR/strength counters with this bunch of personalities.
[21:27:15] Beirdo: hehe
[21:27:17] devinheitmueller: j-rod: Yeah, I think you can just set the gate ctrl to null and be done with it. We do that in other cases as well.
[21:27:25] high-rez: I still don't understand what was trying to be accomplished.
[21:27:34] Beirdo: we are all personalities in a way, though ;)
[21:27:50] devinheitmueller: j-rod: or a more appropriate change might be to have a field in the lgdt3305 config which indicates whether the gate is present.
[21:27:52] Beirdo: as long as we try not to take everything personally, life is good
[21:27:55] ** high-rez thinks the dvb api is missing a couple of useful features too **
[21:28:30] devinheitmueller: (as we have done with other demods)
[21:28:36] j-rod: devinheitmueller: .deny_i2c_rptr for this device looks like it might be the ticket
[21:28:42] j-rod: trying that now
[21:29:42] devinheitmueller: j-rod: yeah, that should do it.
[21:29:52] j-rod: boo and yah.
[21:29:58] j-rod: perfecto
[21:30:00] devinheitmueller: heh.
[21:30:02] devinheitmueller: You win!
[21:30:12] Beirdo: and no nasty patch?
[21:30:20] j-rod: a freakin' one-line config option addition for the demod
[21:30:20] Beirdo: yay
[21:30:31] j-rod: yeah, don't have to touch tda18271
[21:30:42] Beirdo: wunderbar :)
[21:30:45] devinheitmueller: The upside is that this is why we have peer review. If we had just taken that change from the sagetv guy, it would have broken a dozen or so other products.
[21:31:04] Beirdo: :)
[21:31:07] devinheitmueller: .... including some that I actually care about...
[21:31:08] j-rod: oh, he knew it wasn't a solution
[21:31:32] j-rod: was just pointing out that it got things working, hoping it might shed some more light for someone else to come up with a proper fix
[21:32:01] devinheitmueller: j-rod: well, be sure you try switching back and forth between the analog/digital modes a couple of times. Sometimes there are bugs where the board loads, you try analog, switch to digital and see that it works, then never switch back to analog so you miss an edge case.
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[21:32:50] j-rod: devinheitmueller: there is no analog mode on this stick :)
[21:32:55] devinheitmueller: Also, try multiple tuning digital requests. Don't just do one azap and assume digital works.
[21:33:05] devinheitmueller: Oh, that's right. This was a digital only.
[21:33:10] devinheitmueller: It's em2870, right?
[21:33:20] j-rod: but yeah, I'll do a bit more beating on it
[21:33:34] j-rod: em2870, correct. with tda18271hd and lgdt3304
[21:33:37] devinheitmueller: I really need to add that code which prevents the /dev/video0 from being created in that case.
[21:34:15] devinheitmueller: I haven't added it at this point because there is a high risk of it causing regressions if I don't test it with pretty much *all* of the digital boards.
[21:35:11] high-rez: ?
[21:35:21] Beirdo: yuck
[21:35:55] devinheitmueller: Well, all of the em28xx boards that have digital support (I own seven or eight of them)
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[21:39:18] Some_Person: I rebooted
[21:39:35] j-rod: I yawned.
[21:39:43] Some_Person: The permissions problem seems to have disappeared
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[21:39:49] Some_Person: But I'm not out of the woods
[21:41:05] Some_Person: "MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?"
[21:42:02] Some_Person: what the heck does that mean?
[21:42:26] bjd: it's doing 'stuff' but not recording :p
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[21:42:34] devinheitmueller: Some_Person: turn off the eit scanner.
[21:42:58] Some_Person: What is the "eit scanner" and how do I turn it off?
[21:43:15] devinheitmueller: It's in the card profile configuration under MythTV setup.
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[21:48:45] Some_Person: the permissions problem is back
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[21:50:01] Some_Person: I guess I need to reboot again
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[21:51:04] j-rod: "reboot" is not the answer. this isn't windows.
[21:51:12] j-rod: but never mind, you already left
[21:51:30] iamlindoro: gave him the right answer last time he asked
[21:51:32] iamlindoro: he ignored it
[21:52:33] iamlindoro: he thinks it's a permissions problem, when it is in fact a "not setting up myth properly" problem
[21:52:50] iamlindoro: ie "some of these setup steps must be totally optional even though they are numbered and ordered, right?"
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[21:54:32] Some_Person: darnit
[21:55:02] Some_Person: still using all inputs but there are no active recordings
[21:55:28] wagnerrp: j-rod: ive had problems with network cards where i had to shutdown, and pull the power, before they fixed themselves
[21:56:08] j-rod: that's a driver or firmware bug though, not a permissions thing
[21:56:24] j-rod: but, point taken
[21:56:24] wagnerrp: yeah, but its not a 'windows' thing
[21:56:32] wagnerrp: im leading more toward firmware
[21:59:54] Some_Person: I am currently able to watch an analog channel with mplayer, but i want mythtv to work
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[22:06:20] dustybin: http://i.imgur.com/GxzeV.jpg
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[22:08:01] devinheitmueller: dustybin: awesome.
[22:09:13] wagnerrp: ive always wondered why the interpol warning shows up on region 1 dvds
[22:09:48] devinheitmueller: wagnerrp: so that tourists coming to region 1 don't take the DVDs home and argue that they have no liability because there was no warning.
[22:10:10] devinheitmueller: "oooh, the FBI isn't going to come get me *here* in Europe if I copy this DVD!"
[22:10:47] wagnerrp: thats just retarded
[22:14:25] devinheitmueller: Yeah, but laws can be quite quirky in different countries.
[22:14:51] devinheitmueller: There was no warning on the label that said "if I drink this bottle of drain cleaner, it will be bad for me!"
[22:15:02] wagnerrp: the fact that they have to use an imported or hacked ROM to even read that disk isnt enough of a warning?
[22:15:56] wagnerrp: theyve already gone that far, but maybe if we tell them not to make additional copies for others, theyll listen to anything we have to say
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[22:16:58] wagnerrp: its like all these gun laws
[22:17:30] wagnerrp: maybe if we tack on a couple months each for several gun violations, it will dissuade a potential bank robber more than the exiting 20yr penalty
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[22:25:12] Jeffrey2: I was able to see static for a sec under the frontend ... I soon lost that .. just installed mythbuntu and can view live capture from /dev/video0, but still can not use mythtv to view live tv
[22:25:34] Jeffrey2: is their somthing im missing here as for help locations ...?
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[22:27:23] Jeffrey2: andreas_dk, are you still here ?
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[22:30:41] jolaren: Btw guys, I run mythbuntu + kubuntu packages on my laptop
[22:30:43] jolaren: It's great
[22:31:23] Some_Person: "Error: MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?"
[22:33:25] jolaren: I had that to before but it just went away after rebooting server
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[22:33:40] Jeffrey2: kinda quite in here today ..or how does one get help
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[22:34:33] Jeffrey2: I was just needing some advise or where to go from where im stuck at
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[22:38:54] Some_Person: thanks. I killed mythbackend and now it works!
[22:48:08] j-rod: though I was going nuts for a sec. tms currently having issues.
[22:50:08] Jeffrey2: hrmm
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[23:13:02] Lt_Dan: j-rod did you say tms is having issues currently?
[23:13:11] Lt_Dan: or was a while ago?
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[23:15:26] j-rod: there was a notice at the top of the SD site, gone now
[23:15:43] j-rod: looks to be resolved
[23:15:51] Lt_Dan: ah. thx friend of mine just setting up her myth system and didn't have listings
[23:16:02] Lt_Dan: must've been during the brief outage/issue.
[23:16:33] Lt_Dan: thx
[23:16:44] j-rod: auth was failing, I couldn't even get a listing of my lineups
[23:20:07] Lt_Dan: yeah, she said mythfilldatabase finished awfully quickly before (compared to now).
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[23:31:08] j-rod: devinheitmueller: what all sort of stress-testing were you recommending again? its working quite nicely w/mythtv and the antenna feed here in the office
[23:31:25] j-rod: changing channels left and right, no problems at all
[23:31:51] devinheitmueller: Did you try a channel scan?
[23:32:00] j-rod: both with scandvb and mythtv
[23:32:06] j-rod: also worked
[23:32:08] devinheitmueller: Channel scanning via scan, w_scan, and mythtv expose all sorts of edge cases.
[23:32:10] devinheitmueller: good.
[23:32:15] j-rod: (this laptop had no mythtv set up on it yet)
[23:32:20] devinheitmueller: Are you doing QAM, or just ATSC?
[23:32:26] j-rod: just ATSC atm
[23:32:31] j-rod: will try QAM at home tonight
[23:32:56] devinheitmueller: Ok, well testing QAM would be good. And run dvbtraffic to make sure you're getting the full 38Mbps of traffic.
[23:33:29] devinheitmueller: Did you do any power management testing?
[23:33:50] j-rod: I just assume all power management under linux is fail
[23:33:52] j-rod: :D
[23:33:59] devinheitmueller: heh.
[23:34:06] devinheitmueller: You wouldn't be *too* far off.
[23:34:18] ** j-rod has constant issues with suspend and resume breaking one way or another with both thinkpads... **
[23:34:30] devinheitmueller: Well, without special hardware you won't be able to test much anyway.
[23:34:41] j-rod: was gonna ask, what all can I try?
[23:35:07] devinheitmueller: If you run azap multiple times, does it redo calibration each time?
[23:35:38] j-rod: nope
[23:35:45] devinheitmueller: Then power management is probably broken.
[23:35:49] j-rod: heh
[23:35:58] ** j-rod double-checks... **
[23:36:54] j-rod: wait, I thought the idea was for it to NOT recalibrate every tune?
[23:37:17] j-rod: or do you mean "leave it unused for a while, then try a new tune"
[23:37:28] j-rod: i.e., let it sleep
[23:39:12] devinheitmueller: Oh wait, I don't know if recalibration is required after waking up if you just poked the sleep regsiter.
[23:39:20] devinheitmueller: I would have to check the spec.
[23:39:50] devinheitmueller: Well, bear in mind that almost none of the drivers exercise power management after some idle period. The drivers that do power stuff down do it immediately after closing the DVB device.
[23:40:09] devinheitmueller: ... something which exposes all sorts of annoyances when it takes a while to initialize the hardware.
[23:40:58] devinheitmueller: That's why channel scanning used to take so long in the old Kaffeine on some tuners – between every tuning attempt it would close the DVB device, so you would have to reload the firmware on every tuning attempt.
[23:41:26] j-rod: yeowch
[23:41:40] devinheitmueller: Yeah, and on the 950q it takes seven second to load the firmware. Quite painful.
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[23:43:18] j-rod: that's slightly terrible
[23:43:21] j-rod: ah well
[23:43:37] devinheitmueller: Yeah, it's a hardware bug.
[23:43:50] devinheitmueller: a very annoying one at that.
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[23:44:13] j-rod: blah. I should go home.
[23:44:17] devinheitmueller: ttyl
[23:44:23] j-rod: ttfn
[23:44:31] j-rod: will definitely get in some qam testing tonight
[23:44:35] devinheitmueller: cool.
[23:44:40] devinheitmueller: good luck.
[23:44:41] j-rod: then feed patches to mike (his request)
[23:44:57] devinheitmueller: Yeah, makes sense for the patches to go through him, as he's the maintainer for the 3305.
[23:45:14] j-rod: *nod*
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