Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, February 16th, 2010, 00:03 UTC

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high-rez:

In the channel table, is it ok to override channel name, callsign, or both?

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dashcloud:

hi, which file contains the encoder settings for the flash video streaming in mythweb?

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xris:

stream.pl

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xris:

inside of modules/stream

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dashcloud:

thanks!

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xris:

dashcloud: what are you chanaging?

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gizmobay:

svn update not working?

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gizmobay:

for trunk?

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dashcloud:

the video quality is a little lacking for me, and since I've got a new & more powerful processor, I thought I would play around with the settings- at least increase the h263 quality, if not try to move to h264

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xris:

ah. thought I left settings for that in the mythweb config area

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dashcloud:

xris: unless there's somewhere else to look, I only saw bitrate settings for audio & video, along with changing the horizontal size of the video

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xris:

how else would you increase the quality?

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xris:

(other than switching to h.264)

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dashcloud:

xris: give me a second to dig up some settings I had before

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dashcloud:

I had used comment 9's commandline from this post before: http://trixter.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/using-a-sharper-stick/

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wagnerrp:

ugh... a bunch of reruns on tonight

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dashcloud:

xris: I talked with Dark Shikari over in the #ffmpeg channel, and he suggested adding -qscale 2 to the current commandline- it seems to generate better video (SD Olympic speed skating was watchable)

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xris:

dashcloud: can you create a patch and upload it to svn.mythtv.org/trac ?

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xris:

otherwise I'll forget. :)

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dashcloud:

I thought it might be a cpu-intensive option, and I was correct- it's maxing out 1 core on my Phenom X2. Still worth sending a patch?

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jst_:

Anyone want to recommend a nice ION-based nettop for a frontend?

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T-Co:

Hello. I'm looking for the best supported full-featured DVB-T card in the market. Does someone have a clue what that might be?

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_abbenormal:

T-Co, look at the topic and do some reading also may want to look at linuxtv site and see what they say

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prupert:

Hi, I upgraded mythtv from 0.21 to 0.22 recently (by upgrading mythbuntu from 9.04 to 9.10). Everything worked amazingly well, except now mythrename.pl no longer works. I use to use it as part of a script to rename my recordings to human readable format and it worked great under 0.21. Now, under 0.22 it fails to change the names of the recordings. From what I can see, there was no changes to mythrename.pl from 0.2

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prupert:

1 to 0.22 so I am not sure why it is no longer working. Sadly, mythrename.pl leaves no logs (unless they are in the mythtv logs??) so it is a tricky one to sort out...Any ideas??

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wagnerrp:

prupert: i hope youre using the '--link' option

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prupert:

nope, not at the mo, as my custom script pulls the recordings away from the mythtv box on to my more powerful server, that encodes and searches for adverts – I only use the mythbox to record the files...I know this means I risk loosing files, but I don't mind at the mo

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wagnerrp:

so why cant you use '--link'?

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prupert:

i am thinking it is down to the fact that mythrename.pl can't access the database – I noticed that myth.find_orphans.pl which worked fine on the old install was failing with this new one because it was using the name of the box as the hostname, and not localhost – luckily I could change this by editing the myth.find_orphans.pl, but Ican't find a simialir option in mythrename.pl

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prupert:

well, last time I tried to use it, the mv / cp command under bash didnt seem to like the symlinks that --link created for some reason....

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wagnerrp:

tools under linux should default to using the target of the link, not the link itself

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wagnerrp:

and those that dont generally have a option to force that behavior

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wagnerrp:

as for why it doesnt work at all... it needs to find a 'config.xml' to read the database information off of

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wagnerrp:

prupert: in trunk, the rename capability has been removed entirely, and it is now mythlink.pl

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prupert:

yeah, actually, I wrote the script when I knew less about bash, just doing a a quick MAN shows I need to use either the -H or -L option with cp, so I'll test that....I hafve a config.xml in the normal /etc/mythtv location, so I guess that is all fine

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wagnerrp:

the normal location is ~/.mythtv/config.xml

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prupert:

oh whoops, yeah, well, I haven't moved it from where it shoudl be, so I guess it is all fine

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wagnerrp:

the only way it would read from another location is if the mythbuntu wrappers messed with the environment prior to calling the mythtv executables

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prupert:

but you say mythrename.pl is loosing its rename capability? and mythlink.pl is replaing it?

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wagnerrp:

it got moved to....

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wagnerrp:

T-Co: why do you need a 'full-featured' card?

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prupert:

I will have a further bash about and see if my version has mythlink.pl and see if I can use the --link function, I guess that is the reason it isn't renaming, since that feature is no longer available!! failing that, I'll try a fresh install of mythbuntu and see what the state is then

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prupert:

cheers for your input it has got me thinking about ways to fix it ;)

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prupert:

byeee!

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wagnerrp:

prupert: thats trunk, not 0.22

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wagnerrp:

additionally, a stock 9.10 install is not running 0.22

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PeaceKeeper:

I am ordering my hvr-2250, any reason I should not order this card (it is replacing my hdhomerun so I do nto need ananlog).

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wagnerrp:

its running a pre-release version of the 0.22-fixes branch

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wagnerrp:

you should update if you have not already done so

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prupert:

oh, bummer, I am so barking up the wrong the tree then :(

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wagnerrp:

PeaceKeeper: HDHR fail or something?

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prupert:

ok, I'll have a further look into where I am – and have a dig around with --link then

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PeaceKeeper:

yes :(

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PeaceKeeper:

wagnerrp: I get very poor signal but by hd-5000 gets great signal

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PeaceKeeper:

I have tried new and old firmware

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wagnerrp:

PeaceKeeper: do you have an amp?

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PeaceKeeper:

No.

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wagnerrp:

remember, youre trying to drive two tuners off the same signal

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PeaceKeeper:

Should I?

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PeaceKeeper:

Humm

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wagnerrp:

try a bigger antenna, or an amp

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wagnerrp:

or... just plug in one of the tuners

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PeaceKeeper:

Antenna takes up my whole attic :)

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PeaceKeeper:

Not a large house, but the best antenna I can get up there. So AMP = good

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wagnerrp:

take out the splitter

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wagnerrp:

and just plug into one of the tuners on the HDHR

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wagnerrp:

see if it works better

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PeaceKeeper:

Oh, I did that, no better :(

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PeaceKeeper:

One of the tuners (tuner 1) does a little better but not much

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PeaceKeeper:

of course this is unscientific, just me watching the signal strenght on a windows box.

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PeaceKeeper:

So the hvr-2250 not a plan?

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wagnerrp:

no sense spending $130 on a new tuner, if you can get the old one working

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PeaceKeeper:

Oh, I agree :)

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fbnts:

Hi, Is there a way to get the metadata gabber to use imdb.com instead of themoviedb.org?

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iamlindoro:

Nope

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iamlindoro:

IMDB has asked that nobody scrape their site, they don't provide an online API to get the info, thus TMDB is the best available source that does

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iamlindoro:

If something is missing at TMDB, you can improve the quality of the information there and everyone wins

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fbnts:

ah ok, I have just searched tmdb and found the title of the dvd. Can I use the 5 digit number in the URL to manually specify the video?

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wagnerrp:

in trunk, yes

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wagnerrp:

in 0.22, you use the old IMDB id number

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fbnts:

tried that – the imdb is 1433549 and the tmdb is 23270

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wagnerrp:

the IMDB number will work, if TMDB knows what the IMDB number is

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fbnts:

if I run /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/tmdb.pl -D 1433549 it doesnt return any results

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iamlindoro:

then you should go to the page at TMDB, edit the movie details, and add the IMDB number in the IMDB number box

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iamlindoro:

then when their caching server clears in a few days, it'll work with the grabber

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fbnts:

ah ok just registering on tmdb now

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RDV_Linux:

fbnts: Be aware due to TMDB caching servers your changes will take up to a day or so to propagate out so the grabber search will work.

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iamlindoro:

"iamlindoro: then when their caching server clears in a few days, it'll work with the grabber" ;)

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: And why would I be reading your posts;)

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iamlindoro:

because they make you smart ;)

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Do not mess with my ego as it can very mad at the both of us ;)

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cipher42:

anyone here have video working over firewire?

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fleers:

cipher42: lord knows i tried … both SA4240HDC and SA 3250HD … but I couldn't get either to record reliably

[19:10:57]

cipher42:

yea can get some video until i change the channel

[19:11:10]

cipher42:

and i haven't been able to get that in a week or so

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fleers:

i _am_ using f/w for channel changing on an hd-pvr though, works a treat

[19:12:04]

cipher42:

yea that's what i'm gonna do

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cipher42:

hauppauge 1212?

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fleers:

maybe others here have had better luck, there are tales of success out there

[19:13:26]

fleers:

yep

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cipher42:

do you have to have a tuner preset to a channel with the 1212?

[19:20:13]

cipher42:

and will it scan the channels or do you have to manually put them all there?

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abqjp:

cipher42, is grabs the channel line up from SchedulesDirect (or whatever your listing provider is).

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abqjp:

s/is/it/

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cipher42:

schedulesDirect cost money...

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cipher42:

is there a free way to get them?

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abqjp:

schedulesdirect costs less than a penny a day.

[19:24:34]

abqjp:

Okay, sorry, it costs 5 cents/day.

[19:26:33]

devinheitmueller:

Give me a f**king break. It's $20 a *YEAR*. Given that the content has to be licensed anyway, that's a steal (compared to Tivo which charges $17.95 a *MONTH* for the same content)

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wagnerrp:

yeah... just skip out on your cup of coffee once every couple months, and its paid for

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mag0o:

SD costs money? Oh wait, I already paid and forgot about it :)

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cipher42:

will it scan channels over firewire?

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wagnerrp:

will what?

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cipher42:

mythtv with schedulesdirect

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wagnerrp:

you should just be able to download the lineup straight from SD

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cipher42:

doesn't matter if i'm using firewire, coaxal, or component?

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wagnerrp:

i believe it works for any input where tuning only requires a single number

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wagnerrp:

meaning anything besides straight digital

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cipher42:

how come i can't find a hauppauge 1212 anywhere?

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cipher42:

they stopped making them?

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wagnerrp:

no, just in short supply

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wagnerrp:

youll be better off searching for a 'HDPVR'

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abqjp:

http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1212-Definiti . . . p/B0018LX0DY

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cipher42:

yea that's where i bought it from but it says it won't ship till march 2

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cipher42:

or march 5

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dustybin:

i have finally come up with a nice home server solution, i wont be going HD yet but this will give me access to some nice OS

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dustybin:

http://paste.debian.net/60083/plain/60083

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wagnerrp:

why would you want vmware?

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wagnerrp:

why would you want windows server 2008?

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dustybin:

education

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dustybin:

i might move into IT support role

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dustybin:

thats why my setup contains some of the most popular OS :D

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cipher42:

windows servers are the worst

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cipher42:

why not linux?

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dustybin:

cipher42: for me to move into IT, i will first need to learn win$hit

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dustybin:

windows >> redhat/centos

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cipher42:

windows = lame for servers

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dustybin:

very true, but its always handy to know how windows boxes work

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dustybin:

considering just about every office block uses them..

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jamesd2:

windows == larger amounts of money if you do oncall and are hourly...

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cipher42:

not for servers

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dustybin:

windows severs are office servers

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dustybin:

for office stuff

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cipher42:

if you want to impress an employer learn linux

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cipher42:

and if you want a reliable, secure, fast server

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wagnerrp:

if you want server hardware, dont bother with a 3400

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason to spend the markup unless youre looking for dual processor or better

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jamiem:

!seen kormoc

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MythLogBot:

kormoc was last seen 6 hours 10 minutes 2 seconds ago

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frojnd:

Hello tehre

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frojnd:

:)

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frojnd:

I don't know know how to watch TV while on another computer. I've setup mythtv on my server but how do I watch TV on my laptop?

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wagnerrp:

is the backend running? have you installed mythtv on your laptop?

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frojnd:

wagnerrp: no I have not installed mythtv on my laptop

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frojnd:

wagnerrp: the backend is running on server though

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wagnerrp:

how were you intending to watch tv without a frontend?

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frojnd:

wagnerrp: vlc

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frojnd:

wagnerrp: or mplayer...

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wagnerrp:

neither of which speak mythproto

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wagnerrp:

you can watch recording files directly, if you mount them to the local file system

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frojnd:

ok I've installed mythtv on laptop how do I connect to backend? Or do I have t osetup something first?

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wagnerrp:

but neither have the capability to trigger a livetv session

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wagnerrp:

its all covered in the documentation

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frojnd:

wagnerrp: what topic?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html

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frojnd:

thanx

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wagnerrp:

you may also want to check out http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.3

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frojnd:

huh

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wagnerrp:

it says you may have to make changes in your mysql and mythbackend setups to allow outside connections

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frojnd:

I did installed mythtv package but when trying to run it I only have options mythtranscode mythtvosd mythtv-setup to run

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wagnerrp:

i.e.: connections from a second host

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PeaceKeeper:

Ok, I am going to buy a new card. After trying an amp in my hdhomerun there is no differ.

[22:20:13]

skd5aner:

any word on progress around getting block level playback (DVD) working over Storage Groups? Haven't checked in a few months, was curious if anyone was taking the challenge?

[22:20:28]

PeaceKeeper:

wagnerrp: thank you for the tip :)

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PeaceKeeper:

Now I just need to decide on the new card...

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: you can write a small wrapper around mythfs in contrib

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wagnerrp:

but i havent heard anything recent about the native support

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: hmmm, well – that's why I asked what MythFS was a few weeks back – was hoping it was releated, but didn't think so (and you confirmed) :D

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wagnerrp:

that was not its intended purpose

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wagnerrp:

but it was a fairly simple addition to make it do so

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skd5aner:

yea – hoping for the native support sooner or later, would like to do away with the video structure I have now and migrate to SGs for videos

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PeaceKeeper:

I am trying to find the kernel that supports the hvr-2250 on kernellabs but cant find it :(

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devinheitmueller:

PeaceKeeper: it's not a kernel. It's just a v4l-dvb tree.

[22:27:53]

PeaceKeeper:

ahhh

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devinheitmueller:

PeaceKeeper: and pretty much all the patches were merged upstream, so you should just install the current v4l-dvb tree via the instructions at http://linuxtv.org/repo

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PeaceKeeper:

that would explain it. I am looking for the wrong thing

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devinheitmueller:

PeaceKeeper: but to answer your question, the current KernelLabs tree is at: http://kernellabs.com/hg/saa7164-stable/

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PeaceKeeper:

I wonder if i can get this off atrpms. I am pretty new to this

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devinheitmueller:

Probably not.

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devinheitmueller:

You will probably need to build from source.

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devinheitmueller:

.... since it's a kernel module, you need the version that exactly matches your kernel.

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PeaceKeeper:

ok :) time to learn how to do this them

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PeaceKeeper:

Thank you for the links!

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devinheitmueller:

Build instructions can be found here: http://linuxtv.org/repo/

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devinheitmueller:

np

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PeaceKeeper:

Reading that site now :)

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PeaceKeeper:

Is there a site that explains about the firmware loading?

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frojnd:

how do I start backend on my laptop usually?

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devinheitmueller:

PeaceKeeper: you will just need to copy the files to /lib/firmware.

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PeaceKeeper:

ok I can do that

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wagnerrp:

frojnd: do you have a tuner on your laptop?

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PeaceKeeper:

thx again!

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devinheitmueller:

PeaceKeeper: http://www.steventoth.net/linux/hvr22xx/

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devinheitmueller:

PeaceKeeper: the firmware ^

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frojnd:

how do I start FRONTEND on my laptop usually?

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frojnd:

typo :S

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wagnerrp:

'mythfrontend'

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frojnd:

hm

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frojnd:

I type in IP 192.168.1.45 leave port blank

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frojnd:

and finish

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frojnd:

but I get message cannot login to database?

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elmojo:

sphery: any ideas why mythconverg_restore.pl is "Unable to connect to database."

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frojnd:

do I also have to put in port? and forward it? I haven't change ports while seting up backend on server

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elmojo:

sphery: I can log in with mysql -umythtv -p and show DATABASES; has mythconverg

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wagnerrp:

frojnd: those options are to tell the frontend where the database is

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elmojo:

sphery: I've also check /home/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml and the username and password are correct

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wagnerrp:

you have to give it the IP, login, and password for the sql server

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wagnerrp:

you also have to make sure the sql server has been set up to allow remote access

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wagnerrp:

and have granted access to the IP or hostname you are connecting from

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frojnd:

wagnerrp: I haven't setup mysql for mythtv

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elmojo:

localhost and correct login and password

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wagnerrp:

have you read the documentation?

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frojnd:

wagnerrp: no, I have just followed wiki for arch linux

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wagnerrp:

then it should have described how to set up the sql server for mythtv

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wagnerrp:

or it is a woefully incomplete howto

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SirColin:

evening all

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elmojo:

sphery: I figure it out... when I recreated the database I forgot to grant privileges to the mythtv user from any host

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frojnd:

I think I have set up mysql # mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/mc.sql

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frojnd:

for mythtv

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frojnd:

but still can't connect to backend

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frojnd:

WHat I don't know there is user and password, while seting up backend I haven't set any user or password for mythtv

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frojnd:

also when starting up mythfrontedn I get message: no upnp frontends found

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frojnd:

cannot login to database :S

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frojnd:

I've created user with password that can use mysql

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frojnd:

but dunno where did I make it wornf

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frojnd:

wrong

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