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[00:02:22] | jolaren: | sudo iftop -BP -i eth1 |
[00:02:32] | jolaren: | I skipped that, wouldn't work.. this works |
[00:02:55] | jolaren: | It's different from channel to channel but seems to be from 400kbits up to 3000kbits |
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[00:03:29] | oobe: | so what your saying is you dont know the max throughput cause you dont understand how to use iperf |
[00:03:47] | jolaren: | basicly |
[00:03:49] | jolaren: | but this works for me |
[00:04:49] | jolaren: | but as you said, ot be on the safe side I will get a gigabite switch |
[00:04:55] | oobe: | if one channel max's out at 3000kbits and streams fine then you want to know how fast the backend can upload |
[00:05:13] | jolaren: | 100/100mbits connection |
[00:05:14] | oobe: | which is found out by doing a bw test |
[00:05:21] | jolaren: | fiberoptics |
[00:05:50] | jolaren: | I've done speedtests before |
[00:05:59] | jolaren: | and I lay around 90mbits/95mbits |
[00:06:47] | jolaren: | I'm gettin a new backend tho and I can't decide wheter I should get a used one of a brand new one |
[00:08:19] | jolaren: | What would you've done oobe |
[00:08:31] | oobe: | i told you |
[00:09:00] | jolaren: | uhm, then i've missed it.. |
[00:09:08] | jolaren: | regardin a new or a used backend that is |
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[00:10:41] | oobe: | you dont need anything special to run a backend |
[00:10:48] | oobe: | if its not playing back anything |
[00:11:17] | oobe: | you could probably use a p1 or lower as an extreme example |
[00:11:25] | oobe: | however i wouldnt try ut |
[00:12:38] | jolaren: | i ran a p3 with 128 mb ram before |
[00:12:40] | jolaren: | and it worked |
[00:12:46] | jolaren: | just ide discs are expensive |
[00:13:43] | jolaren: | but i want it to be stable aswell |
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[00:15:13] | oobe: | yea you want somthing modern enough to use sata |
[00:15:45] | oobe: | i cant tell you what to buy just letting you know that it doesnt need a lot of grunt |
[00:16:08] | oobe: | the only thing that uses a lot of resources on my box is running mythfilldatabase |
[00:16:24] | oobe: | occasionally mysqld runs a little high |
[00:16:40] | oobe: | but a p3 could handle that |
[00:16:55] | jamesd2: | oobe, dont you transcode or scan for commercials? |
[00:17:18] | oobe: | yes i do sorry that is a big factor i forgot about |
[00:17:34] | oobe: | you wouldnt want to have commflag running all the time on a p3 |
[00:17:51] | oobe: | on this box i dont even notice it |
[00:18:14] | jamesd2: | yeah try commercial scanning on the olympics... it may never finish one before it has to start the next. |
[00:18:28] | jolaren: | my box i'm running atm works just fine tho |
[00:18:39] | jolaren: | but 1u rack is expensive to have running for mythtv only |
[00:19:26] | jolaren: | and sounds alot |
[00:19:32] | jolaren: | so this box is pref barebone |
[00:19:42] | jolaren: | and quiet enough to be in the closest next to the router |
[00:20:20] | jamesd2: | 1ru has one major problem for the home users.. the fans are small thus whiney.. and make a lot of racket, wouldn't want one too close to where my family is... i would rather buy older 2 or 3ru boxes the fans are less whiney and quieter |
[00:20:30] | oobe: | if you only want it to record and stream and commflag and transcode then get somthing that suits your needs |
[00:21:17] | jolaren: | yer im just thinkin whether i should buy it second hand or new |
[00:21:19] | jamesd2: | i would toss on dns, squid proxy, and any other small tasks you can think of. |
[00:22:06] | jolaren: | i have an old p4 in my closet but i dont think it can use s-ata |
[00:22:51] | oobe: | i have a p4 that use's sata the newer p4s must do |
[00:24:34] | jolaren: | how would i know tho |
[00:24:49] | jolaren: | i mean if i could without screwin it up |
[00:24:56] | jolaren: | no tools in hand |
[00:24:58] | oobe: | check in the bios |
[00:25:27] | oobe: | or if you have linux installed /dev/sda means sata and /dev/hda means ide |
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[00:26:42] | jamesd2: | you can probably get a sata card for it, 4x hardrive cars are cheap enough and mythtv isn't too disk intensive it uses lots of storage doesn't have to be fast.. only 3MB per stream/job |
[00:26:56] | jamesd2: | s/car/cards/ |
[00:27:04] | oobe: | thats a good idea |
[00:27:20] | jolaren: | rite |
[00:27:37] | oobe: | i would just prefer to use the p4 and upgrade the storage then spend the money saved on better video cards for fe's or somthing |
[00:28:15] | jolaren: | will take a look when i have a cd-rom |
[00:28:18] | jolaren: | the drives are wiped clean |
[00:28:25] | jolaren: | i know there's 256 mb ram in it |
[00:28:35] | jamesd2: | most of the nvidia knockoffs, that have 64 or 128MB of ram, if you can find them that small these days should do fine... and are only $30 each or so. |
[00:28:39] | jolaren: | is that sufficent for a backend that will have like 4–5 frontend connected to it |
[00:29:06] | jolaren: | ddr1 256mb |
[00:30:18] | jolaren: | cuz like you said |
[00:30:26] | jolaren: | will probarbly be cheaper to upgrade the old one then to get new stuffs |
[00:30:39] | jolaren: | just need a pci gigabyte lan card |
[00:30:58] | jamesd2: | so you need 15MB/s .. plus 2x digital tv cars for another 2x 3MB/s plus another 6MB/s to transcode one stram.. so about 35MB/s of IO, should be handled easily by 4x 1.5TB drives, and another disk or two for the OS. so your os and data isn't on the same disks |
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[00:32:09] | jolaren: | 4x 1.5TB drives.. my god |
[00:32:53] | jolaren: | i was thinkin perhaps 1x 1tb drive |
[00:33:02] | jolaren: | i already have a tv card |
[00:33:04] | jolaren: | and i will get one more |
[00:33:32] | jolaren: | i have a 40 gb ide disc that i'll put "/" on |
[00:33:44] | jolaren: | and the dump i.e streams will be put on the 1tb s-ata drive |
[00:34:15] | jolaren: | does that sound like a good setup? |
[00:35:13] | jamesd2: | jolaren, you need at least... 2x.. sure its not much total IO, but if its working hard it may present a random IO pattern thus a single harddisk may not be enough for 4–5 front ends plus recording. |
[00:35:58] | russell5: | so when i set up a recording from the main menu under recordings it doesnt record. when i go to status it says neither tuner is recording. also if i go into livetv after that its on the channel it was supposed to record. when i go into livetv and either hit record or go the the program guide from livetv it records without an issue. can someone offer any insight? |
[00:37:53] | jolaren: | jamesd2; sounds like from what i need it's cheaper to just get a new second hand pc |
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[00:43:15] | jamesd2: | either that a cheap lower end self built tower... |
[00:46:10] | jamesd2: | its never cheaper to buy cheap, and end up having to buy something twice. |
[00:46:23] | jolaren: | true |
[00:47:24] | jolaren: | I really dont know what I should do tho |
[00:47:52] | jamesd2: | and you could go with a larger tower and use it as a combined front/backend so you have to by one less system to save costs, not all your frontends need to be hidden away |
[00:48:56] | jolaren: | that is totally true. Would be a good solution for my living room |
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[00:50:29] | jolaren: | but would have to be more htpc wise |
[00:50:34] | jolaren: | i already have a ion asrock 330 tho |
[00:50:49] | jamesd2: | and pay the extra cost and get a larger tower than you think you need, the $10 or $20 extra will be worth it should you start to hold old recordings or want to backup other systems to it. |
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[00:52:14] | jolaren: | just don't want a large tower standin next to the tv jamesd2 |
[00:52:54] | jamesd2: | put it behind the tv, you dont ever have to touch it really... when you need to touch the tower its usually bad news |
[00:53:49] | jolaren: | there's rly no room |
[00:54:32] | jamesd2: | okay, if you don't have room its okay.. just something to keep in mind when you size the tower, an extra drive slot is a good thing to have. |
[00:57:04] | jolaren: | hum hum hum :- ) |
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[00:59:11] | jamesd2: | i have two tuners, and two front ends, and my 250GB of storage can feel tight if people get behind watching stuff, and with 4 or 5 users you can have a lot of stuff being held.. |
[00:59:51] | jamesd2: | i really need to upgrade those harddrives, i have added 100GB from another box to deal with the olympics |
[01:00:04] | jolaren: | i see |
[01:00:11] | jolaren: | atm i'm running an external 500 gb drive |
[01:00:52] | jolaren: | works okay |
[01:01:02] | jolaren: | at my top i've only used two tvs at once |
[01:02:25] | jolaren: | gosh i'm confused on how to handle this situation |
[01:02:37] | jolaren: | i guess it depends on how much i'll get for my 1u rack aswell |
[01:05:50] | jolaren: | my current server works fine tho |
[01:06:06] | jolaren: | 2.8 ghz p4, 1024 ecc, 40 gb sata and a pci dvb-t card |
[01:06:10] | jolaren: | then an external hdd |
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[01:18:14] | Guest78602: | someone could set the remote control of the plate "PixelView PlayTV Xtreme" |
[01:20:19] | jolaren: | jamesd2; what would be required for a frontend/backend? 256 ram ? |
[01:21:11] | jamesd2: | i would just add 1GB, its not worth saving $5 to go smaller, and if someone wants to do more than watch tv or the next version may need more. |
[01:22:52] | jamesd2: | Xorg on my box alone reports 512 and frontend reports 827MB with 160MB resident... |
[01:23:24] | jolaren: | well i have a speedy box but it's running windows |
[01:23:26] | jolaren: | it's a fulltower |
[01:23:38] | jolaren: | could i hook up a mythtv backend in let's say vmware or virutalbox? |
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[01:24:15] | jolaren: | that would solve my problems |
[01:24:18] | jamesd2: | the problem with that is, the guests probably wont be able to see the video card.. not sure if how well they support usb tuners |
[01:24:55] | jamesd2: | er wont be able to see the tuner card |
[01:26:13] | jolaren: | I see |
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[01:30:19] | bsdfox: | I'm trying to move my backend to one of my frontend machines but mythconverg_restore.pl complains when I use: ./mythconverg_restore.pl --change_hostname --old_hostname="gameinwatch" --new_hostname="bowser" |
[01:30:29] | bsdfox: | Unable to update hostname in table: keybindings |
[01:30:30] | bsdfox: | Duplicate entry 'Global-UP-bowser' for key 1 |
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[01:31:00] | bsdfox: | the website says to use an intermediate hostname but I'm not sure how to swap things back when I'm finished |
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[01:34:35] | jolaren: | dno |
[01:36:01] | jolaren: | jamesd2; I'm leanin on keepin my 1u and just store it in a closet with a brickdoor or something |
[01:37:09] | jamesd2: | jolaren, you can try... but how loud is it? will you have to turn up tv's anywhere near that closet... every 1ru server i have been around was whiney and loud not something that goes well with watching quiet tv shows |
[01:37:44] | jolaren: | it's very loud.. but I dont know if it will sound thro a closet |
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[01:38:30] | jamesd2: | give it a try... and you probably need a way to vent closet to outside or put in air intakes in that closet... x86 cpus generate a lot of heat |
[01:39:00] | jolaren: | i dont think it gets that hot tho |
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[01:39:19] | jolaren: | it's a dell poweredge 750 btw if it says you anythin |
[01:42:06] | jamesd2: | how many pci slots? |
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[01:42:18] | jamesd2: | and are they full height |
[01:43:12] | jolaren: | two half length |
[01:43:16] | jolaren: | i have a pci card in one of them |
[01:43:19] | jolaren: | the other one is pci-x |
[01:43:26] | jolaren: | which I couldnt get the card into |
[01:43:30] | jolaren: | or it kinda fits |
[01:43:37] | jolaren: | i didnt rly try cuz it fitted like a glow in the other one |
[01:44:00] | jolaren: | i got get 2x usb tuners cuz then i'd have 4 tuners and it's all I need |
[01:44:45] | jolaren: | i have 2x tuners atm on the hauppage card |
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[01:47:53] | jamesd2: | its fine for now, since you own it you can use it... i wouldn't of recomended you buy it for this purpose. |
[01:49:04] | jolaren: | I'm just curious about the heat |
[01:49:10] | jolaren: | Cuz if it doesn't produce that much heat |
[01:49:15] | jolaren: | I could just semi block it with stuffs |
[01:49:58] | jolaren: | and btw, sometimes when I watch it just kicks back to the beginning |
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[01:51:08] | jamesd2: | jolaren, its the equivalent of 3x 100watt lightbulbs sitting in a closet.. the easy bake oven was 1x 40watt light bulb enough to bake a cake in 20 minutes... |
[01:52:00] | wagnerrp: | one could just say its 300W |
[01:53:29] | jamesd2: | wagnerrp, yes but most people don't know how hot a 300watt bulb is but 100watt light bulbs are, |
[01:53:40] | jamesd2: | er are common |
[01:54:27] | wagnerrp: | one could stand in front of a halogen worklamp for a few seconds |
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[01:58:21] | jolaren: | jamesd2; are you sayin that cuz in case of a fire? |
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[01:58:44] | wagnerrp: | jolaren: no, were saying that because if you stick it somewhere without proper ventilation, it will overheat and shutdown |
[01:59:03] | wagnerrp: | you only need to worry about fire if you decide to insulate it with oil soaked rags |
[01:59:16] | jamesd2: | jolaren, i'm saying that box will heat up your typical non vented closet in a few hours to over 100F so unless you found a way to vent it... your box will die prematurely |
[01:59:50] | wagnerrp: | id say it would get much hotter than that |
[01:59:51] | jolaren: | I've made a hole in the wall for the lan cables |
[01:59:53] | jolaren: | dno if that is enough |
[02:00:02] | wagnerrp: | it will just keep going until the processor goes into thermal shutdown |
[02:00:05] | jolaren: | and dno if the sound will be to high |
[02:01:00] | jolaren: | btw, do you guys have problems with channel changing? Takes aprox 2–4 seconds for me |
[02:01:02] | jamesd2: | nope not even close... a typical datacenter that is much larger gets to over 120F in 30 minutes if the AC goes out... sure it has more servers, but a much larger space and you are talking about something that will be hot 24/7 without AC |
[02:02:11] | jamesd2: | jolaren, for me its caused by poor tv signal some channels take some time to settle if the signal isn't good. |
[02:02:38] | jolaren: | yer must be it |
[02:03:54] | jolaren: | i've put my srv up to a swedish sell site |
[02:04:04] | jolaren: | i'll take whatever few bucks i can get for it and buy somethin else |
[02:04:10] | jolaren: | fanless would be great ^^ |
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[02:10:53] | jolaren: | I don't get it! It jumps back at times |
[02:10:56] | jolaren: | My tv |
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[02:43:32] | jolaren: | What are the drawbacks of running a combined frontend/backend? |
[02:44:08] | [R]: | you need somethign that can handle the tasks of both programs? |
[02:44:34] | wagnerrp: | you need additional memory and video that a backend wouldnt otherwise need |
[02:44:35] | jamesd__: | the cpus have to do double duty... and need more ram, but if you combine the specs of both and have it in the box shouldn't be much of an issue. |
[02:44:46] | wagnerrp: | you need hard drives and tuner cards in a frontend that could otherwise be small |
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[02:47:14] | jolaren: | I see. I'm dividing with myself on how to do |
[02:47:15] | jolaren: | :- ) |
[02:48:59] | jolaren: | 1tb hdd, 1gig ram, 1gigabyte lan.. what more is needed for my backend |
[02:49:39] | wagnerrp: | more memory is always better |
[02:49:58] | wagnerrp: | but anything 512MB probably will just get used for disk cache |
[02:50:21] | wagnerrp: | more disk space is always better, but thats up to you |
[02:50:28] | [R]: | i was swapping on my backend with only 1gb |
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[02:51:38] | wagnerrp: | right now, im using some 80MB between my backend and sql server |
[02:51:50] | wagnerrp: | or around 310MB if you count all shared memory |
[02:52:00] | jstenback: | anyone here see a blue line at the bottom of the video during playback of HD-PVR recordings? Mostly noticeable on 1080i material it seems... |
[02:52:05] | wagnerrp: | the system will run on an extra 50MB |
[02:52:34] | wagnerrp: | so beyond that, any consumption would be for external tasks, or disk cache |
[02:52:40] | [R]: | jstenback: yes |
[02:52:49] | [R]: | jstenback: i just do 2% overscan from within myth |
[02:53:30] | jstenback: | [R]: ah, that solves it even when you get black borders top/bottom due to widescreen etc? |
[02:53:40] | jolaren: | So having 2 x 500gb discs are better than a 1tb disc? |
[02:53:54] | wagnerrp: | if youre doing multiple recordings, yes |
[02:54:14] | wagnerrp: | however it will be more expensive, and those are older disks so they may not last as long |
[02:54:27] | wagnerrp: | although the latter is probably not a real issue |
[02:54:33] | [R]: | jstenback: well 2% isn't very much |
[02:55:08] | jolaren: | I really don't care much for recordings. I just want to be able to watch from 4 comps/tvs |
[02:55:09] | jstenback: | [R]: true, thanks, I'll play around with that! |
[02:55:20] | hachi: | I'm a little confused, I'm importing my dvb channel list from channels.conf, but mythtv appears to be skipping a lot of lines in my channels.conf file |
[02:55:27] | hachi: | has anyone had this happen? |
[02:55:37] | wagnerrp: | jolaren: one disk is plenty fast for ~8MB/s usage |
[02:56:09] | jolaren: | i mean i record 2 shows a week perhaps |
[02:56:35] | jolaren: | ok |
[02:57:59] | hachi: | has anyone written a guide that describes how one can configure a dvb card with mythtv to help counter the fact that mythtv likes to crash and halt on some channels? |
[02:58:16] | hachi: | cause I've been at this since thursday, and I'm going in circles |
[02:58:19] | kormoc: | the guide for that is the bug reporting section |
[02:58:27] | wagnerrp: | the backend crashes? or playback exits? |
[02:58:36] | hachi: | playback exits |
[02:58:44] | hachi: | and tells me there was an 'error' |
[02:58:54] | wagnerrp: | will it play at all on those channels? |
[02:58:58] | hachi: | I can't even use the live tv interface because it tells me there are errors on channels that are perfectly fine |
[02:58:58] | wagnerrp: | or do they just not work at all? |
[02:59:03] | hachi: | sometimes |
[02:59:08] | hachi: | it seems like it's a timing thing |
[02:59:11] | hachi: | mythtv gives up too soon |
[02:59:45] | hachi: | mplayer can tune the channels just fine... I'm actually able to get a good 170 channels with mplayer |
[03:00:19] | hachi: | mythtv will scan an pick up about 1/3 of them, and when I try to import channels.conf that I crafted using mplayer it somehow skips some of the lines |
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[03:14:07] | beamten: | so im sorry... but i cant figure this out.. i upgraded from 0.21 to 0.22, backends and frontends.. my desktop frontend cant play any records/watch livetv... when i play to play them, audio plays but video stays at "please wait"... i dont get any errors |
[03:14:23] | beamten: | ran through all the setup menus, everything looks good.. any idea what i might check? |
[03:14:44] | beamten: | tried siwtching play back groups to normal/cpu+/cpu++/etc different playback modes didnt seem to make a difference |
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[03:37:48] | [R]: | 2010-02–14T11-34–31.279 |
[03:37:52] | [R]: | what's the name of that date format? |
[03:37:59] | wagnerrp: | ISO? |
[03:38:05] | [R]: | iso what |
[03:38:31] | [R]: | 8601 |
[03:38:32] | [R]: | ah |
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[03:45:48] | utu: | will the interface be ever made user friendly |
[03:46:01] | utu: | right now it's hard to even scan for the channels |
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[05:32:14] | achandra: | hello, im having some issues resolving an issue with mythtv where I am able to import a dvd as file, but upon play back the sound just comes out as a series of choppy white-noise. Can someone aid me in resolving this? |
[05:32:39] | achandra: | otherwise, the sound on tv playback is fine, or recorded shows is also fine |
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[05:39:11] | sphery: | s/b c |
[05:41:25] | wagnerrp: | achandra: sounds like issues with digital passthrough |
[05:43:00] | achandra: | wagnerrp, can you assist me the proper stetting to make this work properly? — The iso content format i used earlier is rather unreliable and wanted to move to the "perfect" format instead. |
[05:43:22] | wagnerrp: | TBH, i gave up and turned off passthrough |
[05:43:30] | wagnerrp: | i just feed decoded PCM |
[05:44:27] | achandra: | where is that "setting" ? |
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[05:44:41] | wagnerrp: | playback settings, somewhere in the frontend |
[05:44:43] | wagnerrp: | dont remember off hand |
[05:44:56] | achandra: | okay will hunt for it.... |
[05:45:19] | wagnerrp: | its the same dialog where you adjust playback profiles |
[05:51:26] | achandra: | wagnerrp, is it the extra audio buffering setting or? ---im in playback hunting for it ;) |
[05:54:41] | wagnerrp: | my bad... its just in General --> Settings |
[05:55:08] | wagnerrp: | erm... the other way around |
[05:55:39] | wagnerrp: | seems that stuff has changed |
[05:55:43] | wagnerrp: | dont know what to tell you |
[05:57:00] | achandra: | pass through output device? or ? – think i found it. |
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[07:04:29] | oobe: | does anyone know if qt 4.6.1 has issues with building mythtv fixes or trunk |
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[12:41:48] | oobe: | does anyone know if 60p is not support but 60i is supported and plain 60 which is better interlaced or non interlaced |
[12:42:46] | [Peter]: | that's just a lot of words |
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[12:45:33] | artus36: | Hi all |
[12:45:41] | artus36: | hope you do good |
[12:45:55] | oobe: | [Peter], you were very brief but your point remains a mystery |
[12:47:07] | [Peter]: | oobe: what you wrote was not a sentence, just a collection of words without meaning. |
[12:47:47] | oobe: | shit i didnt read what i wrote u are right sorry |
[12:48:19] | oobe: | im asking if 60i is better than just non interlaced 60Hz |
[12:48:48] | [Peter]: | no |
[12:48:53] | [Peter]: | interlacing is a compromise |
[12:51:36] | oobe: | ok |
[12:51:40] | oobe: | thanks |
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[16:26:25] | Brad-D: | morning wagnerrp |
[16:29:22] | wagnerrp: | difficult morning... woke up to try to figure out why my server was unresponsive and internet was offline |
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[16:37:30] | Josh``: | DOes this mean anything to you guys? *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/mythfrontend: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x98ab61f0 *** |
[16:38:35] | wagnerrp: | faulty hardware |
[16:39:10] | Brad-D: | eeek that does sound like a difficult morning |
[16:39:20] | Josh``: | you think RAM? I ran a memtest86+ for 26 hours with 0 errors. |
[16:39:24] | Brad-D: | i had a hard drive go on one of my front ends last week |
[16:39:46] | Brad-D: | but i'm taking it as a positive, as it will eitehr allow me to experiment with diskless frontend, or upgrade to better hardware :) |
[16:40:00] | Josh``: | And it only happens when I try to use VDPAU. |
[16:41:24] | ** wagnerrp runs diskless ** | |
[16:41:40] | Brad-D: | yeah wag, you were definitely the person who got me first thinking about it! |
[16:41:56] | Brad-D: | i want to try it out on one of my bigger boxes, and then if it works |
[16:42:04] | wagnerrp: | it started out me just being cheap |
[16:42:07] | Brad-D: | maybe get one of those nvidia ion systems and try to use that for my living room |
[16:42:16] | wagnerrp: | but it ended up being a lot easier to manage multiple systems |
[16:42:33] | Brad-D: | yeah it sounds sweet once you get past the initial learning curve |
[16:43:27] | Brad-D: | on a side note, i'm playing around with your mythvideo (move recordings to videos) script, but when i try to run it, it gets stuck behind 8000 commercial detection jobs. Is there a way to change the job queue order, or make that job take precedence? |
[16:44:25] | wagnerrp: | mythweb queues stuff to the top somehow, but ive never paid close enough attention to figure out what its doing |
[16:44:59] | Brad-D: | thanks i will check that out |
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[16:59:53] | Josh``: | I have a stale link in /usr/lib. I can fix the stale link, but next reboot, it comes back with the old stale one again. How can I make this change permanent? |
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[17:00:35] | wagnerrp: | is this a diskless frontend? |
[17:01:10] | Josh``: | No. |
[17:01:40] | wagnerrp: | the only reason it should come back is if you were running a AUFS/UnionFS overlay from a ramdisk |
[17:01:47] | Josh``: | hmm |
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[17:33:10] | tmkt: | Hey Hey...I installed mpd...and it screwed up my mythtv audio..guesisng it had to do with pulseaudio..since that is what mplayer is trying to use now |
[17:33:20] | tmkt: | can't figure out how to make my system default alsa again |
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[18:13:35] | stevi: | hi. i have two dvb-s cards. the first one (tt 3650) is able to encrypt pay-tv. both use the same channel list. is it possible to tell mythtv to only use paytv channels with the tt-3650? |
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[18:22:25] | lurker: | what's the expected response time for the mythweb listings page? is ~8 seconds normal for only a dozen channels? (fast machine, localhost access) |
[18:23:32] | lurker: | i've tracked it down to the call to queryProgramRows in MythBackend.php which introduces a second of delay each call |
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[18:24:14] | highzeth: | doesnt sound right, its loaded in ~5sec here over wifi. 200+ channels |
[18:24:20] | LabMonkey: | anyone have any idea why my LCDd does not display the GoodBye message from /etc/LCDd.conf when I stop LCDd? |
[18:26:09] | lurker: | according to the mythbackend log, it appears mythsocketthread.cpp is the source of the delay based on the "Waiting on select..." message |
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[18:27:56] | lurker: | i've tweaked mysql and run profiling, none of the queries are taking more than a few hundredths of a second, it just seems the backend is waiting too long on communication with mythweb |
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[18:35:09] | fleers: | lurker: i think i'm seeing the same delay after updating to trunk [23525] |
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[18:36:03] | lurker: | fleers: that's where i'm at..hmm |
[18:36:47] | fleers: | was fine before the update (last week), but i don't recall which build i was on prior |
[18:47:19] | AndyCap: | stevi: I could be wrong, but I think you would need two separate video sources for that. |
[18:49:33] | wagnerrp: | agreed with AndyCap |
[18:52:02] | stevi: | okay, thx. so is it possible to export the data from one source and import it to the new video source? |
[18:52:51] | wagnerrp: | you could manually, but the recommended method would just be to rescan on the second card |
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[18:53:13] | tmkt: | what is the best ota card? I have a hvr-1600, but the tuner doesn't work as well as the one in the samsung tv i have.. i can watch channels on their with no noise.. can't say the same about the hvr-1600 |
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[18:54:51] | stevi: | rescan would take a lot of time. because i would have to rescan, rename, renumber 80 channels :( |
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[19:02:27] | jams: | wagnerrp- thank you for redoing the python bindings, they are working much better now. Starting to feel like they an be trusted :) |
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[19:08:07] | jams: | so far they have been working well, don't seem to have to worry about the telnet connectin failing like it used to |
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[19:18:19] | jolaren: | Does anyone of you have experience of using mythtv on a dreambox or smth? |
[19:18:24] | jolaren: | Thinkin it will be cheaper then a backend |
[19:18:27] | jolaren: | i mean |
[19:18:28] | jolaren: | frontend |
[19:24:10] | jstenback: | jolaren: I don't, but is it cheaper than a $160 Zotac IONITX, 2gigs of ram, plus a $30 case, network booting off of your backend? |
[19:24:43] | jolaren: | that's 250 dollars, that's more expensive then a cheap dreambox tho |
[19:24:54] | jstenback: | ok |
[19:25:07] | jolaren: | but still, ur idea was good |
[19:25:11] | jolaren: | i am taking it into consideration |
[19:25:11] | jstenback: | dunno if the dreambox does any HD tho, in case that matters |
[19:25:21] | jolaren: | yeah, ive seen |
[19:25:29] | jolaren: | i mean the dreambox does, but then you need an expensive one |
[19:25:36] | jolaren: | and then your proposal was alot better to start with |
[19:26:03] | high-rez: | jstenback: Am I to read correctly that you're netbooting an ionitx? |
[19:26:05] | jstenback: | jolaren: I've got two of those IONITX fronends running here, fanless, diskless, works great FWIW |
[19:26:20] | jstenback: | high-rez: yes, two of them, in fact |
[19:26:31] | jstenback: | using minimyth |
[19:26:37] | high-rez: | jstenback: I think I remember seeing PXE boot options in the bios. Is that what you're using ? |
[19:26:37] | jolaren: | netbootin works just fine |
[19:26:46] | jstenback: | high-rez: yeah |
[19:27:10] | high-rez: | Nice. I'm gonna have to give that a go. Right now I have it booting off of a usb thumb drive. |
[19:27:20] | jstenback: | high-rez: just need a dhcp server and tftp server, both of which can run on your backend |
[19:27:54] | jstenback: | oh, and an nfs server |
[19:27:56] | high-rez: | Is your root FS nfs, or iscsi ? |
[19:28:01] | high-rez: | Ahh nfs. |
[19:28:02] | jstenback: | nfs |
[19:28:14] | jstenback: | mostly because it's trivial |
[19:28:21] | high-rez: | I think I'd just export an lvm volume as iscsi. :) THe one minor change from what you're doing. |
[19:28:24] | jstenback: | and seems to work really well here |
[19:28:35] | high-rez: | (i like being able to do live volume snapshots of iscsi targets) |
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[19:30:58] | dustybin: | high-rez: do you use zotac boards? |
[19:31:00] | high-rez: | All that said, the HD capable dreamboxes are super expensive – and their CPUs are low powered – which means you'd have to get myth to support their hardware accelerated decoding processors, which would be a huge undertaking. |
[19:31:15] | high-rez: | dustybin: Just my ionitx. |
[19:31:22] | dustybin: | ok its not you then |
[19:31:28] | high-rez: | Guess not ;) |
[19:31:30] | jolaren: | high-rez; if your lazy.. and dont wanna setup something serious there's a great "live-cd" pxe boot ... I can try to find that for you |
[19:31:38] | jolaren: | I mean if your just intressted in havin a go |
[19:32:43] | high-rez: | Nah, that's ok. For one, my ionitx doesn't have a cd drive. It's in the super tiny yet super cute m350 case (which is PERFECT for the ionitx which uses an external power brick as you can relocate the power plug off of the L bracket and right onto the case itself) |
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[19:33:54] | high-rez: | If the GPU was just a little more powerful, they'd be the perfect setup. |
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[20:06:45] | jamesd__: | i wonder if any of this is supported by mythtv, if it is, it wouldn't be a great starter package http://www.meritline.com/mygica-usb-atsc-tune . . . v=34034d0f1a |
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[20:07:21] | wagnerrp: | jamesd__: none of that is supported by mythtv |
[20:07:42] | wagnerrp: | however it may be supported by the DVB API and/or LIRC |
[20:07:58] | jamesd__: | oh well.. nice idea anyway... i have enough gear currently |
[20:08:20] | wagnerrp: | meaning, check on those respective projects to see if they support that hardware |
[20:08:25] | wagnerrp: | and if they do, mythtv can use them |
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[21:00:16] | dj_segfault: | Hey. I am experiencing some small problems on my Ubuntu (NOTE NOT Mythbuntu) Karmic, and on a previous visit here someone told me they were all problems fixed in Mythtv, but Ubuntu repos doesn't have them, so I should set up autobuilds (http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds) even though I'm not using Mythbuntu. I'm trying to do that, but my server wants to do a partial upgrade, whatever that is. When it does, it |
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[21:11:42] | hansaplast: | Mythshutdow -q sometimes doesn't shut down :( |
[21:12:21] | hansaplast: | Hi btw |
[21:13:42] | hansaplast: | hlo? |
[21:13:48] | hansaplast: | smoeone here? |
[21:13:54] | dj_segfault: | hansaplast: have you tried the -v verbose option? |
[21:14:27] | hansaplast: | err... Nope.. waite a sec :S |
[21:15:17] | hansaplast: | you want the whole output?? |
[21:15:30] | hansaplast: | The next wakeup time is less than 15 mins away, not shutting down |
[21:15:48] | hansaplast: | 1 sec I'll change schedule |
[21:15:52] | dj_segfault: | K |
[21:17:01] | hansaplast: | I'm idle now... shutdown will occur in 10 seconds. |
[21:17:34] | hansaplast: | The next wakeup time is less than 15 mins away, not shutting down |
[21:17:34] | hansaplast: | Have set schedule 20 minutes after now |
[21:17:58] | dj_segfault: | hansaplast: OK, let's see if it does. I never ran that program before so I don't know what the output is supposed to be. I just looked at the man page and saw that option. |
[21:19:36] | hansaplast: | schedule = 22:50, current time=22:19 |
[21:19:41] | dj_segfault: | I usually just service mythtv-backend stop. Not sure what mythshutdown does that this doesn't. |
[21:20:00] | dj_segfault: | Is it shutting down? |
[21:20:08] | hansaplast: | nope |
[21:20:52] | hansaplast: | Huh??? Now it sudenly shuts down :??? |
[21:21:30] | hansaplast: | This is bizar.. |
[21:21:32] | dj_segfault: | Why are you trying to shut it down with a wakeup time instead of just shutting it down and starting it up again later? |
[21:21:54] | dj_segfault: | Computers can sense fear. You showed it whose root. |
[21:22:06] | hansaplast: | Since I want to wake up the PC if I'm not here. |
[21:22:16] | hansaplast: | :D |
[21:22:36] | dj_segfault: | Ah, I see. I'm running on a server up 24/7, so I never shut it down. |
[21:23:13] | hansaplast: | Would like that 2 but I'm running FreeBSD (6.2) here and that doesn't work with mythtv |
[21:23:34] | dj_segfault: | Really? Why not? |
[21:23:59] | hansaplast: | ivtv probs. |
[21:24:15] | wagnerrp: | yeah.... ive never managed to get the pvrxxx port compiled under freebse |
[21:24:49] | hansaplast: | and kernel stuff. It should work in v7+ but I havn'ty found the time to install that. It's a kinda production server |
[21:25:07] | dj_segfault: | Got it. OK, well glad it worked. I just did an upgrade and need to reboot. Good luck. |
[21:25:26] | hansaplast: | tnx. cye |
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[21:27:02] | Tanthrix: | Blah at memory prices going up. |
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[22:30:11] | AndyCap: | Hmm, is there any way to see recordings that are set for non existing channels. not sure if I got everything after my last rescan |
[22:31:45] | hansaplast: | use mysql |
[22:31:56] | hansaplast: | and check the record table |
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[22:33:45] | hansaplast: | Sorry logged out incedently |
[22:34:36] | hansaplast: | do you know how to run mysql queries? |
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[22:41:10] | AndyCap: | hansaplast: me? sure. |
[22:42:16] | AndyCap: | But I found an old browser tab with the previous channellisting from mythweb so I'm good for now. |
[22:42:33] | hansaplast: | K m8 |
[22:42:45] | hansaplast: | no need for mysql then ;) |
[22:42:48] | AndyCap: | next time I'll make a backup before venturing into channel scanning again |
[22:43:11] | hansaplast: | Best to make backups on a regular basis |
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