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| [00:00:07] | sphery: | perhaps "unsupported feature" at this point? |
| [00:00:30] | sphery: | it looks like it will fail the same way for slow deletes or fast, based on the fact that it's failing early |
| [00:00:57] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: If it is too difficult to fix for the release I already have my MiroBridge patch ready;) |
| [00:02:15] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: I thought there are some "rename/export" scripts up there using symlinks. Would they be effected by this situation? |
| [00:02:21] | sphery: | I think the Mirobridge patch is the way to go for the release |
| [00:02:29] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: np |
| [00:03:03] | sphery: | mythrename.pl no longer allows renaming--it only does symlinks, but they're symlinks in a totally different (not-managed-or-seen-by-Myth) directory. |
| [00:03:21] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: aah |
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| [00:03:33] | sphery: | myth.archive_job.pl does move files and create links in the recording dir to the new location, but it's not really that useful, anymore |
| [00:03:51] | sphery: | generally, when I recommend people use it, I recommend they remove the "create a symlink" line |
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| [00:06:15] | RDV_Linux: | sphery: Interesting this all occurred while I was doing my final release testing for a new Mythbuntu Control Centre plugin for MiroBridge and had to do a unusual number of add break it tests. |
| [00:07:43] | sphery: | If I ever get around to the "move a recording from SG dir to SG dir (even across hosts/SG's) in the UI" patch, we could delete myth.archive_job.pl |
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| [01:04:31] | GregFrost: | Hello. I am having problems playing a CD using mythmusic. It starts playing fine, but then the audio pauses every now and then. Looking at the DVD burner drive light, it comes on when the audio is paused and when it goes off, the audio starts again. mplayer does the same. xine plays the cd fine. Any ideas? |
| [01:06:03] | xand: | rip the cd to your harddisk |
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| [01:07:26] | wagnerrp: | xand++ |
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| [01:07:40] | xand: | I hate playing CDs/DVDs |
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| [01:09:03] | KungFuJesus: | Hello, does anybody here know why mythmusic would want to play negative cd tracks from a CD? |
| [01:09:14] | wagnerrp: | negative? |
| [01:10:24] | KungFuJesus: | yep, one sec |
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| [01:10:33] | Bagg0r1: | So I have tried to install the pinnacle 340e (2304:023d). I have hg cloned the http://kernellabs.com/hg/~dheitmueller/pctv-340e-2/ and then tried sudo modprobe cx25843. This because I think that is the correct module name..This gives me "module not found" |
| [01:10:55] | KungFuJesus: | straight from the log: 2010-02–13 17:07:13.001 Track -3 not found!! |
| [01:11:11] | KungFuJesus: | this is after it recalls the track information from freedb |
| [01:11:23] | KungFuJesus: | when I attempt to play it |
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| [01:12:25] | KungFuJesus: | for a while when it would try to lookup the track info it would crash the frontend. I removed .cdsomethingrc file and the associated directory of information with it and I can somewhat consistently get it to lookup track up on discs, but it still seems buggy |
| [01:12:32] | KungFuJesus: | what's weird is this used to work for a while |
| [01:15:19] | GregFrost: | xand: ripping works, but I want to play off the CD |
| [01:15:32] | GregFrost: | doesnt myth support that? |
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| [01:16:02] | xand: | obviously it supports it or it wouldn't work at all |
| [01:16:21] | xand: | maybe the drive is having trouble playing i |
| [01:16:22] | xand: | t |
| [01:18:25] | KungFuJesus: | perhaps, is there a way to prove it? |
| [01:19:42] | KungFuJesus: | maybe I can do some crcs or checksums on some discs. That seems weird it would try to play a negative track number, though |
| [01:20:16] | xand: | er, sorry, that was for GregFrost. |
| [01:20:36] | KungFuJesus: | the same could apply to me, though |
| [01:20:43] | xand: | but my first answer to him goes for you too... rip the CD to harddisk :P |
| [01:20:56] | KungFuJesus: | dmesg seems to have an unusual amount of these: [150461.677750] sr 6:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] |
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| [01:20:59] | KungFuJesus: | [150461.677755] sr 6:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Illegal mode for this track |
| [01:21:02] | KungFuJesus: | [150461.677762] sr 6:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 02 00 |
| [01:21:05] | KungFuJesus: | [150461.677774] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 4096 |
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| [01:25:20] | xand: | dodgy disc or drive |
| [01:28:11] | darkdrgn2k: | is there any reason some colvers go into the Storage Group folders while others into a set folder (like .posters) in the same folder? |
| [01:33:37] | KungFuJesus: | xand: probably drive |
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| [03:21:18] | JohnTed: | I'm looking for a decent speaker/receiver/woofer combo for a mythtv box I'm building, for under ~$400. Any suggestions? |
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| [03:22:42] | KungFuJesus: | JohnTed: in that price range they are all about the same |
| [03:23:00] | KungFuJesus: | don't expect to be able to passthrough digitally HD audio, though |
| [03:23:35] | KungFuJesus: | All of the HD streams have be decoded from where they're played, kind of annoying |
| [03:25:11] | KungFuJesus: | I use a yamaha set (not any HD audio codec capable, only supports 16-bit 44.1KHz audio streams). It does the job fairly well |
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| [03:26:15] | KungFuJesus: | I use a toslink cable for digital passthrough, eliminates the issues associated with unshielded audio cable |
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| [03:27:46] | KungFuJesus: | but be forewarned, in that price range most of the time the woofers are terrible. Mine does a pretty crappy job when it experiences high levels of bass (really awful ruffling) |
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| [03:28:18] | KungFuJesus: | sure it'll be plenty loud and generate a fair amount of bass, but it will be noisy distorted base when it leaves the cone |
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| [03:31:06] | KungFuJesus: | most good woofers on the market go for about the price of the entire set, though. I've learned to live with it for now, in time I may update to an HD capable receiver, although passing through the stream may require a spiders web of cables or some crappy HDMI to receiver to display configuration |
| [03:32:50] | JohnTed: | KungFuJesus: I'm just looking for 5.1 for regular standard DVDs |
| [03:33:41] | KungFuJesus: | Then you'll probably have decent luck looking in 3 or 4 year old market realm |
| [03:33:55] | KungFuJesus: | you may even be able to cut a decent deal on a used receiver |
| [03:34:35] | KungFuJesus: | there's virtually no difference between an audio receiver set manufactured in 1999 and one in 2007, except for maybe useless features |
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| [03:36:57] | KungFuJesus: | polk audio and yamaha receivers tend to have decent sounding D to A |
| [03:40:41] | KungFuJesus: | Onkyo are pretty nice, too |
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| [03:41:42] | KungFuJesus: | a lot of internet rips from blurays have compression artifacts in the audio when it's not decoded as an HD stream |
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| [04:00:00] | dmb: | hey, anyone know of any pcie card with analog and clear qam that works well with myth? |
| [04:00:04] | dmb: | finding it very hard |
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| [04:03:21] | [R]: | most analog/digital cards dont work very well on the analog side |
| [04:04:34] | KungFuJesus: | my pchdtv does a decent job, but I haven't used analog in a long long time |
| [04:04:55] | dmb: | KungFuJesus, did it work in the past? |
| [04:05:24] | KungFuJesus: | yeah, signal was spotty but if you're using it for analog cable I'm sure it will work fine |
| [04:05:29] | KungFuJesus: | that is if you have analog cable still |
| [04:06:13] | dmb: | yes, i'm in a dorm env, they don't provide qam |
| [04:06:35] | KungFuJesus: | then I'd put down the hundred bucks for a pchdtv, they've done a fine job for me |
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| [04:08:56] | dmb: | KungFuJesus, where do they sell them? |
| [04:09:00] | dmb: | newegg doesn't have any |
| [04:10:12] | KungFuJesus: | pfft, you buy them directly from their site |
| [04:10:42] | KungFuJesus: | they're a linux based small time company, selling it to newegg would cost them a fortune |
| [04:10:48] | KungFuJesus: | http://pchdtv.com/ |
| [04:11:29] | KungFuJesus: | they actually have linux compatibility as a first priority, unlike other manufacturers |
| [04:12:26] | dmb: | KungFuJesus, no pci express? |
| [04:12:45] | KungFuJesus: | nope |
| [04:12:50] | KungFuJesus: | not yet, anyway |
| [04:13:15] | KungFuJesus: | I have 3 sitting in my wolfdale based mythfrontend+backend |
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| [04:16:32] | KungFuJesus: | do you particularly need a PCI-Ex based card? |
| [04:17:01] | KungFuJesus: | PCI is plenty adequate bandwidth for a digital stream if that's what you're worried about. New boards do have annoyingly fewer PCI slots, though |
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| [04:18:49] | dmb: | yeah, i have a newer board |
| [04:19:16] | KungFuJesus: | how many PCI slots do you have? I have 3 slots and a couple PCI-Ex slots |
| [04:19:34] | KungFuJesus: | I use one of the 1x's for a gigabit NIC and the 16x for my 9600GT |
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| [04:21:16] | dmb: | i think 1 or 2 slots, and 4 pci express |
| [04:21:22] | dmb: | might be 5 if you include the 1x |
| [04:21:47] | KungFuJesus: | did you want more than two simultaneous recordings? |
| [04:22:17] | dmb: | nah |
| [04:22:21] | dmb: | just want to watch tv :) |
| [04:22:45] | KungFuJesus: | then that probably will do the job just fine until you get as addicted to mythtv as me |
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| [04:23:25] | KungFuJesus: | half of the stuff I watch isn't worth watching, I just like to grab 3 or 4 streams at once and throw them on my 2.5 TB storage groups |
| [04:23:36] | dashcloud: | how can I force the thumbnails for a recording to be re-created? |
| [04:24:02] | KungFuJesus: | dashcloud: did you try to deleting them? |
| [04:24:04] | dmb: | ah :) |
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| [04:24:20] | KungFuJesus: | dmb: I don't even have cable, lol. I use terrestrial ATSC |
| [04:24:28] | dmb: | oh |
| [04:24:35] | dmb: | my college provides free cable |
| [04:24:42] | dmb: | analog only though |
| [04:24:43] | dashcloud: | KungFuJesus: didn't think of that- so it will automatically create new thumbnails for any recording that doesn't have them? |
| [04:24:45] | KungFuJesus: | yeah, but it's probably nto in HD |
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| [04:24:54] | KungFuJesus: | dashcloud: can't hurt it |
| [04:25:10] | KungFuJesus: | try it on one, they're stored usually in the recording storage group |
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| [04:25:37] | KungFuJesus: | I kind of miss the live preview that mythtv used to do in .21 myself, but it did create problems for people |
| [04:25:42] | KungFuJesus: | and it was very resource intensive |
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| [04:31:13] | KungFuJesus: | that's an interesting bug in filezilla's latest RC... |
| [04:31:25] | KungFuJesus: | progress doesn't update, it just sits there, lol |
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| [04:37:15] | danlench: | good day all, my problem is as follows: when watching live tv i am unable to rewind without first pausing, waiting 4 or 5 seconds forwarding to the current position (when pausing it was 2 seconds behind and now it will be 5 seconds behind) then i am able to rewinding as much as i like. any ideas? can i change the buffer time? |
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| [05:10:58] | darkdrgn2k: | hi seems my database got curropt some how |
| [05:11:03] | darkdrgn2k: | i get |
| [05:11:04] | darkdrgn2k: | Error : Table 'mythconverg.weatherdatalayout' doesn't exist |
| [05:11:08] | darkdrgn2k: | how can i fix this? |
| [05:13:24] | wagnerrp: | drop all tables related to mythweather, and remove the schema value from the settings table |
| [05:14:12] | wagnerrp: | mythweather will subsequently re-create all necessary tables |
| [05:14:19] | darkdrgn2k: | that works :) thanx |
| [05:14:21] | sphery: | darkdrgn2k: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/419174#419174 |
| [05:14:33] | sphery: | details of the approach ^^^ |
| [05:14:50] | darkdrgn2k: | thanx again:) |
| [05:15:03] | darkdrgn2k: | nother quick question, where is the best place to place an indor UHF/VHF antenna |
| [05:15:04] | sphery: | then feel free to keep reading the responses to "I perhaps stupidly followed this advice as mythweather hasn't really worked for me since installing 0.22." |
| [05:15:12] | sphery: | it's a fun read :) |
| [05:15:17] | darkdrgn2k: | (lol will do) |
| [05:15:31] | sphery: | (you need to restart after the drops) |
| [05:16:03] | wagnerrp: | (myth, not the system) |
| [05:16:09] | darkdrgn2k: | understood |
| [05:16:24] | darkdrgn2k: | front end? (sincve weather is frontend plugin) |
| [05:17:20] | sphery: | technically, yeah, but it doesn't hurt to restart everything |
| [05:17:53] | darkdrgn2k: | true |
| [05:18:05] | darkdrgn2k: | ok back to UHF/VFH question, any pointers? |
| [05:18:35] | sphery: | I have mine in my attic--but it's almost 16-feet long :) |
| [05:18:44] | sphery: | (and it's marketed as an indoor antenna) |
| [05:18:44] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh i know :-S |
| [05:19:07] | darkdrgn2k: | see i lived on the 10th floor about a block away... got like 10 channels with my rabit ears |
| [05:19:08] | sphery: | basically, my understanding is, "The higher the better." |
| [05:19:21] | darkdrgn2k: | i was pointed WEST and the tower is south east |
| [05:19:22] | sphery: | and now you're lower? |
| [05:19:31] | darkdrgn2k: | nwo im higher (13 floore) facing NORTH |
| [05:19:34] | darkdrgn2k: | and i cant pick up a single thing |
| [05:19:35] | sphery: | oh, wow |
| [05:19:44] | sphery: | might be a better shielded building? |
| [05:20:03] | darkdrgn2k: | wierd thig is if i put it on the balcony (which is facing NORTH) i get like 2 channels |
| [05:20:21] | darkdrgn2k: | worst part is the tower is NOT that far away |
| [05:21:03] | sphery: | sneak up to the top of the building undercover of darkness with a nice spool of RG-6U and hook it up there? :) |
| [05:21:04] | darkdrgn2k: | we are taling like 10km away |
| [05:21:14] | darkdrgn2k: | haha dont think i wasnt tempted :-P |
| [05:21:41] | darkdrgn2k: | in the old building i ran RG6 and RJ45 5 floors down to my sisters :-P |
| [05:21:52] | darkdrgn2k: | through the CATV channels |
| [05:23:01] | darkdrgn2k: | btw the old place was like 300 meters away from the new place.. so like 1/2 a click |
| [05:23:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah... because 300 meters is almost 500 meters |
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| [05:24:19] | darkdrgn2k: | meh i dought in ATSC signal fade terms 200 meters isnt that big of a differnce |
| [05:24:21] | darkdrgn2k: | (i could be wrong) |
| [05:26:02] | wagnerrp: | im saying that was a pointless statement |
| [05:26:21] | darkdrgn2k: | :-P True... |
| [05:26:23] | darkdrgn2k: | so anyway any tips ? |
| [05:27:08] | wagnerrp: | http://bash.org/?2999 |
| [05:27:31] | darkdrgn2k: | lmao |
| [05:27:35] | darkdrgn2k: | anyway does it matter if its close to walls, hight, closest to the "tower" in the location |
| [05:27:47] | darkdrgn2k: | (cant beleave you actually looked that up :-P) |
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| [05:38:59] | darkdrgn2k: | ok this is wierd |
| [05:39:03] | darkdrgn2k: | why do i get |
| [05:39:08] | darkdrgn2k: | Encoder 2 is remote on mythSRV (currently not connected). |
| [05:39:13] | darkdrgn2k: | when mythtv-setup shows its all there? |
| [05:39:28] | sphery: | because your remote backend isn't connected to the master backend |
| [05:39:59] | jamesd2: | okay the olympics is a major test of my backend.. watching HD tv, plus recording a different HD tv show, plus transcoding a 5 hour broadcast, later in the week it will be recording 2x hd feeds, plus watch hd feed, and transcoding as well. |
| [05:40:02] | sphery: | or, maybe because you're doing the auto-shutdown thing and you woke it manually and the issue someone mentioned on the list is actually real |
| [05:40:06] | ** darkdrgn2k slaps his head ** | |
| [05:40:11] | darkdrgn2k: | i thin i knwo what it is.. |
| [05:40:30] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm nop |
| [05:40:38] | darkdrgn2k: | ... oo capitalization.... |
| [05:40:57] | sphery: | for hostname? |
| [05:41:23] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh i think so |
| [05:41:40] | darkdrgn2k: | im using a restored database and i think i wasnt sopposed to capitalize the first letter lol |
| [05:42:01] | sphery: | if so, please let me know |
| [05:42:05] | sphery: | shouldn't be an issue... |
| [05:42:38] | darkdrgn2k: | rebooting right now.... telly ou in a sec |
| [05:42:39] | sphery: | unless you mean that when you ran the mythconverg_restore.pl script to change the hostname, you used the wrong capitalization--that might be a problem, but i'd have to look |
| [05:42:47] | darkdrgn2k: | nop |
| [05:42:59] | darkdrgn2k: | i ran CP old mysql database over to new harddrive |
| [05:43:54] | darkdrgn2k: | weird computer seemed to hang... |
| [05:44:23] | sphery: | the mythconverg_restore.pl hostname change would work fine even with wrong caps |
| [05:46:25] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm i wonder if my problem with the reception has somethign to do with the meta studs they used instead of wooden |
| [05:48:04] | Captain_Murdoch: | darkdrgn2k, was it a caps issue? |
| [05:48:25] | darkdrgn2k: | i donno... wiating for FSCHK to complete on teh 1.5 tb drive :'( |
| [05:48:27] | darkdrgn2k: | 41% |
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| [05:50:31] | darkdrgn2k: | yep caps issue |
| [05:51:11] | darkdrgn2k: | mythSRV vs MythSRV |
| [05:51:29] | darkdrgn2k: | mythtv-setup thought everythign was fine but mythtTV wouldnt let me use the tuners |
| [05:51:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | and you had restarted both master and slave backend processes before trying the caps change? |
| [05:52:23] | darkdrgn2k: | this was all one machine |
| [05:52:42] | Captain_Murdoch: | ah, yeah, that would make a difference. |
| [05:52:54] | darkdrgn2k: | changed the hostname of the machien to mythSRV and everythign started to work |
| [05:53:06] | darkdrgn2k: | odd part is some parts dint care about case others did |
| [05:53:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | master says "if my hostname matches the one in the DB this is a local tuner", but it doesn't lowercase them both. |
| [05:53:39] | Captain_Murdoch: | I think this is a QString comparison, the mysql comparisons in SQL won't care about case. |
| [05:54:19] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh i was thinking that too |
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| [05:54:39] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, verified by looking at the code. |
| [05:54:49] | darkdrgn2k: | :) |
| [05:55:07] | darkdrgn2k: | its not a bug its a "feature" |
| [05:56:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | and fixing it is a 'feature request without a patch' :) |
| [05:57:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | we should lower() when we read the cards hostnames from the DB, not sure off the top of my head at 1AM if we ned more than that and don't want to think about it now. :) headed offline and to bed... |
| [05:57:38] | darkdrgn2k: | nite nite |
| [05:57:39] | darkdrgn2k: | (me too) |
| [06:02:56] | wagnerrp: | ugh... aero crapped out, and im running windows at 4160x1200 in software rendering |
| [06:06:51] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: ouch....... |
| [06:07:14] | darkdrgn2k: | hey any one hear of that adapter that runs a coax signal Through a window w/ no holes? |
| [06:07:17] | wagnerrp: | graphics kicked back in on its own about 4 minutes later |
| [06:07:39] | darkdrgn2k: | i love aero.. its RANDOM |
| [06:07:40] | wagnerrp: | its called 'drill and plumber's putty |
| [06:07:53] | darkdrgn2k: | naahttp://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6941 |
| [06:08:02] | darkdrgn2k: | i cant make holes in my windows... |
| [06:08:11] | darkdrgn2k: | oops -> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6941 |
| [06:10:40] | wagnerrp: | looks like it just has a silicon gasket to seal up the hole around it |
| [06:11:13] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [06:11:15] | darkdrgn2k: | "Description: No hole feed through for coax " |
| [06:11:19] | wagnerrp: | its a panel in a pane of glass |
| [06:11:25] | wagnerrp: | pre-drilled |
| [06:11:32] | wagnerrp: | you leave your window open |
| [06:11:35] | wagnerrp: | and this fills the gap |
| [06:11:45] | darkdrgn2k: | naa it cant be... |
| [06:12:09] | darkdrgn2k: | omg i think your right :-S |
| [06:12:10] | darkdrgn2k: | @$#%#^* |
| [06:12:13] | wagnerrp: | see the fourth comment |
| [06:12:37] | darkdrgn2k: | my windows open INWARDS |
| [06:12:44] | darkdrgn2k: | /| damit |
| [06:12:51] | darkdrgn2k: | (Crank style) |
| [06:15:14] | darkdrgn2k: | i wonder.. theres an outlet outside... but that means i would have to trace it back to the electrical box.. |
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| [06:55:37] | qwandor: | hi, I have mythtv installed on a Kubuntu 9.04 box, and when I start mythtv-setup or mythfrontend it just freezes |
| [06:56:03] | qwandor: | mythtv-setup displays a grey box covering the middle of the screen, while mythfrontend displays nothing |
| [06:56:24] | qwandor: | I seem to recall having the same problem before, but cannot remember the fix |
| [06:56:25] | qwandor: | any ideas? |
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| [08:26:57] | xris: | hurray for 16G file limits |
| [08:28:38] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [08:28:48] | xris: | hmm, spoke too soon. stupid numbers making me think something was happening when it wasn't. |
| [08:29:23] | xris: | recording of the olympics got cut off before an interview with apollo ono... but I guess they pushed that interview into the news hour after the show or something. |
| [08:29:56] | xris: | file just happened to be 16G and make me think it was mythtv stopping when the file got too large |
| [08:30:03] | ** xris blames the head cold for fogging up his thoughts. ** | |
| [08:30:08] | wagnerrp: | apollo ono? is that Lennon's kid? |
| [08:30:36] | xris: | no |
| [08:30:54] | xris: | speed skater.. now tied for the most winter medals |
| [08:30:56] | wagnerrp: | some other unrelated Ono? |
| [08:31:50] | xris: | guess so |
| [08:31:54] | xris: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Ono |
| [08:32:02] | xris: | he's from seattle, so he gets a lot of press around here. |
| [08:32:56] | xris: | anyway, time to sleep and hopefully kill off this cold. |
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| [08:33:07] | wagnerrp: | heh, i had moved my UPS a bit this evening cleaning under my desk |
| [08:33:14] | wagnerrp: | the carper is completely flat |
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| [09:47:00] | rileyp: | diskless mythbuntu clients cant open mythtv as time is wrong |
| [09:47:29] | rileyp: | masterbe/server has ntp installed and working well |
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| [09:48:46] | rileyp: | I have installed ntp on client image and set up server 192.168.1.10 and settings in ntp.conf on both clients and server |
| [09:51:07] | tank-man: | was that some sort of bug report for the mythbuntu people? |
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| [09:54:02] | rileyp: | no not really but i suppose it could becoe one as when one creates a diskless image following the guide in the ubuntu wiki the clients cant open mythtv.... as the time may be wrong (it could be my fault too as I have installed ntp on the master be /server |
| [09:55:08] | rileyp: | I needed to install ntp to get time rigt for recording and not write time before shutdown else rtc will not work |
| [09:55:26] | rileyp: | else rtc alarm wont work.... |
| [09:55:34] | rileyp: | sorry |
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| [10:06:40] | Bagg0r1: | So I have tried to install the pinnacle 340e (2304:023d). I have hg cloned the http://kernellabs.com/hg/~dheitmueller/pctv-340e-2/ and then tried sudo modprobe cx25843. This because I think that is the correct module name..This gives me "module not found" |
| [10:07:05] | Bagg0r1: | How can I find out which module to modprobe? |
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| [10:07:38] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v wagnerrp | |
| [10:11:30] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: would this make a good PSU for a low powered server: http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?T . . . ;id=MTIyOQ== |
| [10:12:08] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: or this http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?T . . . ;id=MjIyNA== |
| [10:14:09] | KaZeR: | hello there. anyone here ever used mythtv with dvb and newsc ? |
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| [11:12:32] | hipitihop: | I seem to have frontend locked up... is there a way to restart it via an ssh session ? I don't want to kill the whole box sinc eI have a couple of recordings and a commflag job running |
| [11:13:00] | hipitihop: | top |
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| [11:15:50] | KaZeR: | hipitihop, killall -9 mythfrontend? |
| [11:16:43] | hipitihop: | KaZeR, strangly I don't see any frontend process in top |
| [11:17:00] | KaZeR: | then maybe the process died and your X is frozen |
| [11:17:10] | hipitihop: | KaZeR, very possible |
| [11:17:14] | KaZeR: | try to kill X, instead |
| [11:17:19] | hipitihop: | othe rbackend stuff seems to be ticking over |
| [11:18:24] | KaZeR: | ticking? |
| [11:18:51] | hipitihop: | still running and mythweb is responding too |
| [11:19:09] | hipitihop: | can't see any X process in top either |
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| [11:21:45] | hipitihop: | nope, can't see any X or xfce process at all in htop |
| [11:23:46] | KaZeR: | so X died :) |
| [11:24:18] | AndyCap: | Bagg0r1: stupid question, but you did make and install the module before modprobing right? |
| [11:25:42] | hipitihop: | kazer.. is there anyway to restart from a rmeote ssh session ? |
| [11:26:42] | AndyCap: | hipitihop: probably better if you can wait until crashing the box won't ruin your recordings |
| [11:27:36] | hipitihop: | AndyCap, suspect so .. hours from now though, have a couple of things queued up .. might try a reboot in between |
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| [11:28:24] | AndyCap: | hipitihop: how you restart X I guess depends on the distro. I would thing that xdm/gdm/kdm should restart X if it crashes though. Or do you start it manually? |
| [11:29:34] | hipitihop: | AndyCap, it's a mythbuntu distro, starts auto and logs into default user auto and kicks off frontend auto... so surprised with this sort ofr crash ... although first time I have been fiddling with MyMote iPhone app controlling it |
| [11:30:26] | AndyCap: | Don't know how that works, but I guess it would just use the telnet port for the frontend and not really mess up your X more than normal frontend use |
| [11:30:50] | hipitihop: | so perhaps some funny combination of events has this caused this ..btw, MyMote runs across the telnet remote if |
| [11:30:53] | AndyCap: | hipitihop: is the display manager running? |
| [11:31:20] | hipitihop: | I have a frozen image of something I was watching on live tv |
| [11:32:09] | hipitihop: | AndyCap, can't get any response to keyboard, mouse, normal IR remote or IPhone MyMote control... only response is via ssh and mythweb |
| [11:32:55] | dustybin: | ive found a really nice solution to my home setup what will allow me to run most of the popular operating systems :D |
| [11:32:58] | dustybin: | http://paste.debian.net/59798/plain/59798 |
| [11:33:12] | hipitihop: | AndyCap, all rather strange, but as you say probably best to wait until I can reboot her.... stop wasting everyone's time here and generating noise |
| [11:34:56] | AndyCap: | hipitihop: but if you look at the ps aux output, do you see xdm,gdm or kdm or whatever mythbuntu uses? you could check the Xorg log and see what happens? |
| [11:36:12] | jst_: | Anyone have a realistic time frame for cx23885 NTSC support? I'm contemplating buying a Hauppauge 1600 to replace my 1800. |
| [11:39:42] | jst_: | Or, better yet, could someone recommend a PCIe dual-tuner that supports NTSC and ClearQAM? |
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| [13:20:49] | jarle: | Is there a way to figure out (by using svn) which revision of mythtv I was running before my last 'svn up' ? |
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| [15:09:32] | csgeek: | hi all.. I'm have mythv tv setup, and I'm trying to simple add some avi videos to mythv tv. I added the files to /var/lib/mythtv/videos but it's still not showing up |
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| [15:40:06] | squish102: | csgeek are you going in the frontend setup and leting it scan the dir? |
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| [15:55:09] | iamlindoro: | scans aren't done from frontend setup... |
| [15:55:24] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo |
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| [16:12:36] | ** unixSnob bit the bullet and spent $50 on an iguanaworks IR transceiver... seems to be the only device of its kind, as a small dongle ** | |
| [16:13:02] | tank-man: | if you are not using storage groups, it is scaned from the frontend |
| [16:13:17] | iamlindoro: | tank-man, It is scanned from the frontend regardless |
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| [16:26:30] | unixSnob: | does mythrename.pl come with the libmyth-perl package? |
| [16:27:54] | unixSnob: | it's not located where the wiki says it is (/usr/share/doc/mythtv) |
| [16:28:32] | tank-man: | wihch wiki page? |
| [16:28:56] | unixSnob: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythrename.pl |
| [16:28:59] | tank-man: | bad package maintainer, hit him |
| [16:29:30] | ** unixSnob looks for Chris Peterson ** | |
| [16:29:49] | tank-man: | no, i ment whatever distro you are using |
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| [16:35:52] | unixSnob: | i just installed the mythtv-perl package, and it didn't come with it |
| [16:36:53] | tank-man: | which GNU/Linux distribution is this? |
| [16:37:23] | unixSnob: | i'm reading that folks are having problems with mythrename being dependant on missing modules.. so maybe it was deliberately excluded for that reason |
| [16:37:31] | unixSnob: | i'm using debian (etch) |
| [16:40:52] | unixSnob: | It's supposed to be stashed here: http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv/contrib/user_jobs/ (it was there at one point) |
| [16:41:09] | unixSnob: | maybe it's been dropped from the project? |
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| [16:43:39] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v gbee | |
| [16:48:38] | unixSnob: | looks like mythrename.pl has been removed... and later replaced with mythlink.pl.. debian and ubuntu users are apparently left out |
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| [16:50:30] | gbee: | ? |
| [16:50:55] | gbee: | unixSnob: you're going to have to expand on that |
| [16:51:12] | gbee: | is debian/ubuntu incapable of producing symlinks? |
| [16:51:55] | unixSnob: | gbee: the packages in debian and mythbuntu exclude the renaming script |
| [16:53:13] | gbee: | heh, wasn't even aware debian was producing trunk packages |
| [16:54:24] | unixSnob: | i installed the one for etch |
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| [16:59:18] | keith4_: | gbee, "debian" isn't. but what's-his-name Marillat is |
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| [17:02:09] | gbee: | ah, yeah, the guy distributing 'Not MythTV' |
| [17:04:22] | gbee: | suggestions around here that we force him to use another name, ala Firefox/Iceweasel |
| [17:05:11] | unixSnob: | so the opposite of MythTV would be RealTV |
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| [17:11:29] | [Peter]: | gbee: is MythTV trademarked? |
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| [17:12:22] | BaZiL: | guyes, i need to figure out a way to restart the mythtv totally .. anybody know if there is such a way |
| [17:12:38] | [R]: | BaZiL: "restart"? |
| [17:14:09] | BaZiL: | hmm . yea .. i mean .. i got a problem with my mythtv .. that i just cant solve . when i record, after a while the record is 0B large .. even though the mythtv says that is it recorded, the file is not there and the loggfile hasnt said anything about it not working . so the only way i can get around it today is to reboot the entire computer, the idea i had now is if there was a way to restart the mythtv |
| [17:14:35] | [R]: | you mean like restart the backend? |
| [17:14:54] | BaZiL: | not only .. but yes .. backend for starters .. |
| [17:15:07] | [R]: | well that's "restarting mythtv" |
| [17:15:12] | [R]: | so i dont know what else you would want |
| [17:15:44] | BaZiL: | the wierd part is that when rebooting computer, it works for maby 5 different recordings .. then its 0B files again |
| [17:15:59] | [R]: | sounds like your tuner is a piece of garbage |
| [17:16:17] | BaZiL: | it is quite old |
| [17:16:22] | BaZiL: | maby its broken ? |
| [17:16:34] | BaZiL: | how can it bee that it works after reboot .. everytime . if its broken ? |
| [17:16:51] | [R]: | because its getting a hard reset |
| [17:17:08] | BaZiL: | ah .. k |
| [17:17:19] | BaZiL: | so smartest solution would be to change it out ? |
| [17:17:34] | BaZiL: | instead of rebooting every freakin evening |
| [17:18:31] | gbee: | sounds like a driver or hardware issue with the tuner |
| [17:19:34] | BaZiL: | i got a hauppage 250 i think its called .. its atleast 6 years old |
| [17:25:04] | tank-man: | BaZiL, you can use "kill" to stop mythbackend and then restart it |
| [17:25:35] | tank-man: | i don't know if it will help with the 0byte file tho |
| [17:25:50] | BaZiL: | just wanted to try that out before buying a new card |
| [17:26:17] | tank-man: | as root user: killall mythbackend |
| [17:26:31] | BaZiL: | it hasnt helpt updating mythtv, so its probably not in the programming. |
| [17:26:32] | tank-man: | then: mythbackend -d |
| [17:26:49] | BaZiL: | ok . thanks tank-man .. ill try as soon it has fucked up again |
| [17:32:30] | dustybin: | im going to install a openfiler vm on my new esxi server, and let my zotac frontend/backend combo use it for storage :D |
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| [17:38:29] | dustybin: | is a Intel® Atom. 230 (single-core) (1.6 GHz) powerful enough to run a backend and frontend? |
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| [17:39:10] | jamesd2: | dustybin, not if you have HD tv, you will also need a good supported video card to have a chance. |
| [17:39:50] | dustybin: | i will be using one of these: http://www.zotac.com/index.php?option=com_wra . . . &lang=fr |
| [17:39:59] | dustybin: | HD is fully supported via VDPAU on the GPU |
| [17:40:46] | dustybin: | i will stick a Hauppauge USB dual dvb-t tuner into it :D |
| [17:40:54] | gbee: | might be pushing it, but doable |
| [17:41:17] | dustybin: | gbee: there is a dual core version, do you think i should opt for that intead if im using it as a combo? |
| [17:41:46] | [R]: | if you are using a digital tuner |
| [17:41:50] | [R]: | its not going to use much cpu |
| [17:41:56] | dustybin: | that will be the smallest combo box in existance :D |
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| [17:42:08] | [R]: | dustybin: but the commflagger is going to be a probelm |
| [17:42:15] | gbee: | reschedules are where the backend has the potential to hurt |
| [17:42:18] | [R]: | as well as any transcode tasks you want to use |
| [17:42:21] | jamesd2: | my dual core oteron with dual digital hd tuners, and fx1400 nvidia card is 90% busy while watching a recording and recording two tv shows and transcoding a recording. |
| [17:42:31] | gbee: | commflagger doesn't really work too well in the UK |
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| [17:42:39] | [R]: | that sucks |
| [17:42:43] | [R]: | :P |
| [17:43:01] | dustybin: | ok ill get the zotac mag with this CPU |
| [17:43:03] | dustybin: | Intel® Atom. 330 (dual-core) (1.6 GHz) |
| [17:43:08] | gbee: | transcoding is a good one, if you intend transcoding I'd personally opt for at least the dual-core |
| [17:43:31] | dustybin: | i wont transcode anything on that box, i could do that on another server |
| [17:44:04] | dustybin: | i wonder if there is a hauppauge dvb-s USB tuner |
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| [17:45:48] | dustybin: | holy lords |
| [17:45:51] | dustybin: | http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_novasusb2.html |
| [17:46:02] | ** dustybin checks linuxtv ** | |
| [17:48:21] | dustybin: | maybe my idea has failed... there isnt much point in using a hd frontend/combo is there are any HD USB tuners what work in linux |
| [17:50:30] | jamesd2: | dustybin, that looks cool i wonder how hard to find a used sat dish, and get it all alligned if you have never done any sat install work a full satelite of free content sounds very interesting |
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| [17:52:50] | gbee: | jamesd2: new dish can cost as much as used and will have a longer life, on ebay you can find dish kits (dish, cable, connectors, lnb, cable clips etc) for under £20 |
| [17:53:23] | dustybin: | i think you can use a SKY dish to pick up freesat? |
| [17:55:42] | highzeth: | you can use any dish to pick up that, size will matter if outside its main area(s) |
| [17:56:01] | gbee: | dustybin: a dish is a dish |
| [17:56:16] | dustybin: | highzeth: are you the guy what uses zotac boards? |
| [17:56:31] | dustybin: | gbee: indeed |
| [17:56:38] | highzeth: | dustybin: no, using ion boards tho(revo 3600) |
| [17:56:52] | dustybin: | highzeth: one is a combo? |
| [17:57:06] | gbee: | and a 45cm eliptical dish is more than big enough for anywhere upto ~Yorkshire, after that you might want to consider a 60cm eliptical instead |
| [17:57:14] | highzeth: | no, frontend only, got 3 be's with regular pci & pci-e tuners |
| [17:57:24] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [17:57:51] | highzeth: | gbee: yeah, or a 2meter up where I live ;) |
| [17:58:09] | gbee: | or if you are particularly worried about losing the signal in heavy rain (common with many Sky installations), then a 60cm is good anywhere in the country |
| [17:58:32] | gbee: | highzeth: :) |
| [17:59:30] | highzeth: | ideally I should have gone for a 2.5, or a newer front feed dish. Got a old prime focus dish for a decent price last year. |
| [17:59:41] | dustybin: | how many years have us UK folk got low res DVB for? |
| [18:00:15] | gbee: | old analogue signals used to require at least an 80cm round dish in most of the UK, digital makes life a little easier |
| [18:00:48] | gbee: | dustybin: 50, at a minimum |
| [18:00:53] | dustybin: | 50 years |
| [18:00:56] | dustybin: | ? |
| [18:01:34] | gbee: | yeah, SD isn't going anywhere, with all the will in the world there isn't enough bandwidth to provide HD versions of every existing channel |
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| [18:01:59] | dustybin: | my CRT stays then :D |
| [18:02:36] | gbee: | and it will take a huge leap in codec and/or broadcast technology before SD finally dies out |
| [18:03:10] | dustybin: | what about if all house holds were linked to fibre optics? |
| [18:03:21] | dustybin: | google fibre optics |
| [18:03:36] | dustybin: | then tv went throught that instead? |
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| [18:05:10] | gbee: | if google link every house in the world to their fibre optic network then I'll probably have died at the hand's of google's private army as one of the resistance fighters |
| [18:05:15] | highzeth: | ftth is a massive money drain |
| [18:05:16] | gbee: | and it will be called Skynet |
| [18:06:47] | gbee: | dustybin: google can think about doing that in the US where all the infrastructure is brand new, where they are serviced by overground power cables or at least large underground conduits, but here in the UK it will take trillions to link up every home |
| [18:07:07] | gbee: | and more importantly, it will take longer than 50 years |
| [18:09:25] | gbee: | Google are evil, you'll never catch me using their ISP |
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| [18:24:32] | Josh``: | Please excuse the dumb question, this is my first 'decent' Nvidia card. I'm used to running mythtv-0.22 from source, but am currently running from a precompiled binary. I installed the nvidia driver binary, and currently have vdpau running on debian's packaged mythtv 0.22. If I were to compile from source, how would the configure utility know where to find the nvidia dev files? |
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| [18:37:32] | jamesd2: | josh`` i would think only Xorg cares about nvidia drivers.. not mythtv |
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| [18:50:33] | lydgate: | is there a way to never record programs with subtitletypes containing SIGNED? without making every schedule a power search |
| [18:52:39] | bjd: | signzone :D |
| [18:53:39] | lydgate: | i don't really understand what it adds, surely it must be less distracting to read subtitles? |
| [18:54:03] | bjd: | signing? |
| [18:54:07] | lydgate: | yes |
| [18:54:08] | bjd: | it's a different language |
| [18:54:41] | lydgate: | oh, so it's for people who understand british sign language but don't read english? |
| [18:54:43] | bjd: | your spoken/written english is not the same as someone who uses sign language as a first language |
| [18:54:49] | lydgate: | i see |
| [18:55:04] | bjd: | you say, "what is your name?" |
| [18:55:15] | bjd: | a BSL user would say, "name, what?" |
| [18:55:19] | kormoc: | "What is your quest!" |
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| [18:55:23] | lydgate: | haha |
| [18:55:24] | Dibri: | Hauppauge WinTV PVR-x50 are only required if you wanna view TV on your pc right? |
| [18:55:36] | bjd: | but anyway, it's annoying for sure :p |
| [18:55:44] | dmb: | what do you guys think of WinTV HVR-1600? |
| [18:55:52] | lydgate: | bjd: do they not normally read? i am ignorant of the whole thing |
| [18:55:53] | kormoc: | Dibri: to record tv, a tv card is required, yes |
| [18:55:55] | dmb: | seems to be the best analog clearqam tuner out there |
| [18:55:56] | dmb: | am I right? |
| [18:56:18] | Dibri: | kormoc: so if I just wanna view movies on my tv I only need a video out on my vid card? |
| [18:56:20] | bjd: | lydgate: yea, but it's faster to 'read' sign language |
| [18:56:26] | Dibri: | and a lirc compat remote |
| [18:56:41] | kormoc: | Dibri: sure, you can get that to work, aye |
| [18:56:55] | lydgate: | bjd: i see. though i don't have any problems watching films in other languages with subtitles |
| [18:57:01] | lydgate: | i guess if it's faster you can give a more accurate translation |
| [18:57:24] | Dibri: | kormoc: aah great, now to find me a pc,a vid card which can run hdtv, a remote and a cd of fbsd :) |
| [18:57:42] | lydgate: | anyway, i want a way to avoid recording them, since the guy takes up like 1/6 of the screen |
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| [18:57:56] | bjd: | also, BSL doesn't contain as many words as the english language, so to someone who doesn't use spoken english as a first language the vocab. might confuzzle a BSL user |
| [18:58:26] | bjd: | anyway, i ask... what on earth is worth recording at stupid o' clock :p |
| [18:58:29] | ** Dibri wonders why mythtv is so great if it basically does the same as mplayer now :P ** | |
| [18:58:46] | lydgate: | bjd: well this weekend it was peeping tom, which i've been wanting to see for a while and wasn't aired any other time |
| [18:58:52] | Dibri: | well at least for me :P |
| [18:58:59] | lydgate: | and also american graffiti, though i'm less keen on that |
| [18:59:28] | kormoc: | Dibri: so then it's not the right solution for you, doesn't mean it's not good for the rest of us |
| [18:59:59] | Dibri: | kormoc: I'm not saying its not the right solution for me, I am just wondering what the diff is now |
| [19:00:08] | ** Dibri is still exploring the feature list ** | |
| [19:00:37] | kormoc: | Dibri: a unified and integrated interface? Features mplayer doesn't have? |
| [19:00:38] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [19:00:38] | Josh``: | Wow, room went from 0 chatter to a flushed buffer |
| [19:02:46] | Dibri: | kormoc: do you know something which is prolly more suited for someone who just wants to watch a bunch of vids stored on an nfs server on tv with a remote? |
| [19:03:06] | kormoc: | Dibri: there's xbmc which is really popular |
| [19:03:10] | Josh``: | Dibri: my suggestion is xbmc, although i've never used it |
| [19:03:27] | Dibri: | aah the xbox thingy |
| [19:03:33] | ** Dibri will look into it ** | |
| [19:03:36] | Dibri: | thanks |
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| [19:04:29] | Josh``: | Should I worry about the ./configure output "x11 support no" |
| [19:04:53] | Josh``: | I'm going to be using VDPAU on with gnome as my wm |
| [19:05:18] | Dibri: | Josh``: x11 support no sounds bad :) |
| [19:05:27] | Josh``: | It does. I'm just not sure what it really means |
| [19:05:40] | lydgate: | Dibri: might check out boxee and moovida too, haven't tried them myself though |
| [19:05:55] | Dibri: | Josh``: in fbsd we set it in /etc/make.conf |
| [19:06:19] | kormoc: | Josh``: just continue, if/when it errors out, we'll know what's going on |
| [19:06:19] | Dibri: | Josh``: X11_ENABLE="NO" |
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| [19:06:28] | Josh``: | kormoc: ok. |
| [19:06:59] | Josh``: | kormoc: and if I'm planning on using VDPAU, I shouldnt worry about the lack of directFB support either, should I? |
| [19:07:18] | kormoc: | directfb is a *old* tech that we don't support anyway, so aye, ignore that |
| [19:07:43] | Josh``: | understood. I think directfb was an older sort of hardware accelleration that VDPAU trumps |
| [19:10:20] | Josh``: | kormoc: it's angry about VDPAU now :) |
| [19:11:08] | Josh``: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1796475 |
| [19:11:08] | Dibri: | meh non are in fbsd ports |
| [19:11:45] | Josh``: | How do I get the vdpau development headers when I'm running the nvidia binary? |
| [19:12:53] | lydgate: | bjd: haha, using PIP you can at least block out the annoying guy's movements |
| [19:13:44] | bjd: | lol |
| [19:13:50] | bjd: | weird solution tho |
| [19:14:38] | kormoc: | Josh``: they ship with the binary |
| [19:15:07] | kormoc: | Josh``: but the real error is "X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory" you're missing your x11-dev(el?) package |
| [19:15:31] | Josh``: | kormoc: aha, so X11 support *is* needed! |
| [19:15:48] | kormoc: | Sure, but it's a lot of times easier to see when things fail what's going on :) |
| [19:15:56] | Josh``: | libx11-dev |
| [19:16:02] | Josh``: | for future reference |
| [19:17:09] | Josh``: | kormoc: I'm gathering a list of deps needed to get mythtv 0.22 in svn to compile in debian lenny |
| [19:17:16] | Josh``: | hopefully it'll make it on the wiki |
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| [19:21:03] | Josh``: | Is there a way to disable xinerama support? --disable-xinerama doesnt exist |
| [19:22:00] | Brad-D: | does anyone know of a good userjob/script to move movies I have recording to MythVideo? |
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| [19:23:21] | Josh``: | Brad-D: I dont belive any database metadata exists for those, so a simple bash script on a cron job should work. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though. |
| [19:24:48] | Brad-D: | josh: thanks, i will check into that |
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| [19:29:15] | Brad-D: | i think i found a script on the wiki designed specifically for this. mythvidexport.py if anyone is interested |
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| [19:29:47] | Josh``: | Brad-D: be careful with those contrib scripts, many are outdated (don't know about this particular one though) |
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| [19:30:44] | Brad-D: | thanks for the warning, i will be careful! :) |
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| [19:32:12] | Brad-D: | this will be a good excuse for me to figure out user jobs |
| [19:36:03] | Josh``: | Can anyone offer suggestions why make can't find -lGL ? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1796504 |
| [19:36:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | Brad-D, I think there's a ticket with one attached that is better than what's in contrib. |
| [19:37:13] | Brad-D: | awesome thanks CM, will go look for it |
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| [19:38:05] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6680 has a newer version that hasn't been committed yet. |
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| [19:38:39] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: eh? |
| [19:38:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | ticket is still open, has that been commited already? |
| [19:39:15] | wagnerrp: | been committed... was just leaving it open for bug reports |
| [19:39:22] | Josh``: | aha |
| [19:39:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | ah, I'll note that in the ticket since I have it open. |
| [19:39:34] | Josh``: | old nvidia libs apparently werent purged |
| [19:39:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | ticket doesn't reference the commit. |
| [19:39:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | Brad-D, wagnerrp is the author, so he knows best. :) |
| [19:40:06] | wagnerrp: | ah, the commit referenced those tickets |
| [19:40:06] | Brad-D: | wagnerrp: playing with your script, when i try to run it i get "cannot import name Video" any ideas on what i'm doing wrong? |
| [19:40:10] | wagnerrp: | i thought it worked in reverse |
| [19:40:22] | wagnerrp: | Brad-D: running 0.22-fixes? |
| [19:40:25] | Brad-D: | yes |
| [19:40:29] | wagnerrp: | ding ding |
| [19:40:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, it should if you say "Refs #6680" in your log. |
| [19:40:35] | Brad-D: | ahh, shame, hah |
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| [19:40:52] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: hold on |
| [19:41:08] | Brad-D: | wagnerrp: if you were running .22 and wanted to move a movie captured from tv into mythvideo, how would you do it? |
| [19:41:40] | Josh``: | Brad-D: that wasnt what you asked earlier.. Mabye I misread. |
| [19:41:58] | wagnerrp: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23313 |
| [19:42:11] | Josh``: | Brad-D: I thought you wanted to move a ripped video to a folder on a remote system |
| [19:42:25] | wagnerrp: | Brad-D: there is an older form of the scrip available in trac |
| [19:42:37] | Josh``: | Brad-D: metadata DEFINATELY exists for recordings. |
| [19:42:41] | wagnerrp: | one that works with the old python bindings, and old videometadata schema |
| [19:42:44] | Brad-D: | josh: oh i see, sometimes i don't say what i mean. ;) |
| [19:42:49] | Brad-D: | wagnerrp: thanks i will go look for it |
| [19:43:21] | wagnerrp: | looks like version 12 is the last that works with 0.22 (probably) |
| [19:43:32] | wagnerrp: | i was developing it on trunk, so there may be issues |
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| [19:44:06] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: did i reference the tickets improperly on the log? |
| [19:44:17] | wagnerrp: | (see above commit) |
| [19:45:20] | denken: | directv and dish network both have HD tuners that support s-video out. i have two pchdtv 5500 capture cards. either should work fine all the way up to 1080p right? am i missing something here? |
| [19:45:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, not sure if it catches the work "referencing". needs "refs" or "references" I think. neither of those tickets are connected with that commit. |
| [19:45:59] | wagnerrp: | digital tuners only capture digitally modulated signals |
| [19:46:13] | wagnerrp: | meaning the straight feed from your antenna |
| [19:46:33] | wagnerrp: | there are currently no STBs in use that output such a modulated signal |
| [19:46:42] | wagnerrp: | you have to use analog capture if you want to record from an STB |
| [19:46:51] | wagnerrp: | which means a HDPVR and component video for HD |
| [19:46:59] | wagnerrp: | or a IVTV card and svideo for SD |
| [19:47:12] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: ok, ill put a comment in each of those |
| [19:47:29] | denken: | ah ok. so a capture card that does component input is required |
| [19:47:36] | Josh``: | wow, it compiled! |
| [19:47:42] | denken: | wagnerrp: thank you |
| [19:47:43] | denken: | that helps |
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| [19:48:19] | denken: | sounds like i'd need to put an antenna on my house to do HD with these pchdtv cards then |
| [19:49:32] | wagnerrp: | correct |
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| [19:49:42] | wagnerrp: | those cards _can_ be used for analog capture, but they should not be |
| [19:51:33] | Josh``: | denken: welcome to getting screwed by the cableco's for high definition feeds. |
| [19:51:54] | wagnerrp: | s/cablecos/satellitecos/ |
| [19:52:01] | Josh``: | wagnerrp: Yeah, those too :) |
| [19:52:43] | denken: | but i can upgrade my capture card to one of these hauppague ones that support component input and capture HD off a satellite STB though it sounds like |
| [19:52:43] | Josh``: | Satellite seems to be a bit worse, In the US at least, they aren't goverened by the same laws as terrestrial cable providers. |
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| [19:52:58] | denken: | considering the cost of an antenna (and mounting it) its sort of a wash either way |
| [19:53:01] | Josh``: | denken: Correct. You'd still need to figure out how to control your STB. |
| [19:53:11] | denken: | Josh``: probably IR blaster or something |
| [19:53:17] | wagnerrp: | denken: an external box actually, but yes |
| [19:53:20] | denken: | i use a serial controller for my current directv SD tuners |
| [19:53:30] | Josh``: | denken: depending on your specific device, there's IR blasting, firewire, and RS232 serial. |
| [19:53:32] | denken: | custom made cable |
| [19:53:42] | Josh``: | denken: you're lucky then. |
| [19:53:51] | denken: | these old directv tuners have a 'low speed data port' on them |
| [19:53:57] | denken: | a serial port in reality |
| [19:53:59] | wagnerrp: | if youre fairly close to the towers (5–10mi), you shouldnt need much of an antenna |
| [19:54:11] | Brad-D: | is there a way i can promote a user job ahead of all the commercial flagging? |
| [19:54:13] | denken: | wagnerrp: nah more like 50 miles :) |
| [19:54:20] | denken: | ive looked into it |
| [19:54:20] | Josh``: | I built an antenna out of coathangers that picks up ATSC digital. |
| [19:54:31] | wagnerrp: | denken: yeah... that would be a tower and a VERY directional antenna |
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| [19:54:58] | denken: | wagnerrp: yep heh |
| [19:55:11] | denken: | so upgrading my capture cards and upgrading my sat service to HD is probably the better option |
| [19:55:15] | denken: | ill get more HD channels that way anyway |
| [19:55:31] | Josh``: | denken: MOAR tunerzz |
| [19:55:43] | denken: | Josh``: i know right? i have four already |
| [19:55:46] | denken: | so a total of six streams |
| [19:55:48] | sphery: | but if you upgrade your sat service, won't you lose the STB that does RS-232 channel changes? |
| [19:55:49] | wagnerrp: | at a not-insignificant price |
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| [19:56:07] | wagnerrp: | HDPVRs usually go for $200+ |
| [19:56:13] | Josh``: | denken: I'm up to 5 myself. |
| [19:56:14] | wagnerrp: | cheapest ive seen is $150 |
| [19:56:18] | denken: | sphery: yes. that will need to be investigated. |
| [19:56:40] | wagnerrp: | and then you have to have a pretty beefy processor for decoding (although significantly less so in upcoming trunk) |
| [19:56:41] | sphery: | if so, IR works... |
| [19:57:08] | denken: | wagnerrp: all three of my frontends are min. athlon x2 5500 |
| [19:57:11] | denken: | they can do HD just fine |
| [19:57:23] | wagnerrp: | denken: what speed is the 5500? |
| [19:57:28] | denken: | lemme check |
| [19:57:51] | denken: | 2.6Ghz |
| [19:58:33] | denken: | ive done HD on them already. i am able to get one or two OTA HD channels with this crappy antenna i have now. |
| [19:58:37] | denken: | and the PCHDTV cards |
| [19:59:01] | wagnerrp: | denken: thats probably a bit underpowered for a HDPVR |
| [19:59:15] | denken: | ok ill upgrade then if need be |
| [19:59:26] | wagnerrp: | you would probably peak out at 10–11mbps on trunk, or maybe 8–9mbps on 0.22 |
| [19:59:45] | wagnerrp: | the peak bitrate is only 13.5mbps |
| [20:00:23] | wagnerrp: | so you can either be satisfied with whatever the maximum bitrate you can handle, upgrade the processor, or pick up an nvidia graphics card and use VDPAU |
| [20:00:42] | denken: | its gots nvidia on board so yeah, i do need to look into that |
| [20:00:51] | denken: | i forget what the min. chipset is for vdpau |
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| [20:01:19] | wagnerrp: | (almost) anything 8-series or better |
| [20:01:34] | denken: | are you using some forumla to figure out what the max bitrate supported on an athlon x2 is? |
| [20:01:44] | denken: | or is that just based on experience? |
| [20:02:04] | wagnerrp: | rough guess |
| [20:02:16] | denken: | gotcha |
| [20:02:28] | wagnerrp: | my 2GHz peaks out somewhere around 7mbps with the old code |
| [20:02:32] | wagnerrp: | havent tested it with the new code |
| [20:02:41] | denken: | ah thats good to know |
| [20:02:50] | denken: | yeah upgrading the frontends isnt too big a deal |
| [20:03:07] | denken: | the master and slave backends have most ofhte gear local anyway |
| [20:03:11] | denken: | the frontends boot diskless |
| [20:03:56] | denken: | guess i just need to find out if todays STBs use IR or not |
| [20:04:05] | denken: | if they are RF or something crazy im might have a problem |
| [20:04:43] | wagnerrp: | should be IR |
| [20:05:26] | denken: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116010 |
| [20:05:30] | denken: | 100 bucks for that one |
| [20:05:47] | denken: | dur. no component input |
| [20:06:04] | denken: | what model were you mentioning that was $150? |
| [20:06:29] | wagnerrp: | the HDPVR |
| [20:07:09] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116030 |
| [20:09:11] | denken: | mythtv is able to get the stream via usb then i take it? |
| [20:09:12] | denken: | interesting |
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| [20:09:42] | wagnerrp: | its a pre-compressed h264/ts stream up to 13.5mbps |
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| [20:14:51] | denken: | hmm thats a pretty slick little device |
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| [20:17:52] | sphery: | Your upgrading your satellite service to HDTV, getting/renting HDTV STB's, getting multiple HD-PVR's, and upgrading all your frontends to handle HD-PVR playback is really making me appreciate my OTA-only setup. :) |
| [20:18:25] | sphery: | I wonder how many DVD's/Blu-Ray's of the shows you like all that money (plus increased subscription cost for the HDTV satellite) would get you. |
| [20:18:57] | sphery: | though if you watch a lot of cable-/satellite-only sports, it's a moot point |
| [20:19:27] | sphery: | it's really too bad that cable and satellite are so locked up :( |
| [20:20:24] | ** kormoc sniffles the loss of his fios ** | |
| [20:20:53] | wagnerrp: | i thought you had moved TO a fios area |
| [20:21:02] | denken: | sphery: im weighing all those considerations at the moment :) |
| [20:21:06] | kormoc: | Yeah, and now I'm moving out of a fios area :( |
| [20:21:32] | kormoc: | amazing deal for an apartment downtown, but I'm now stuck with DSL and DirectTV |
| [20:21:42] | sphery: | kormoc: you'll have to get GiOS |
| [20:21:57] | kormoc: | heh, first in line for sure if we get it |
| [20:22:05] | sphery: | (Google's fibre-to-the-home)... Start the new city's letter-writing campaign today |
| [20:22:14] | sphery: | btw, that's not it's real name |
| [20:22:21] | kormoc: | Seattle's already sent in it's letter |
| [20:22:45] | wagnerrp: | didnt googlt already try that once years ago? |
| [20:22:54] | sphery: | they did a wifi thing |
| [20:23:07] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: they claim the wifi thing was successful |
| [20:23:13] | wagnerrp: | yeah... http://www.google.com/tisp/install.html |
| [20:23:23] | denken: | sphery: i already have SD sat service... so upgrading will probably end up saving me money with the newer rate plans. the frontends... its questionable if they need to upgraded or not. i need some hardware to colo at work anyway so meh. that could work out well. just need to weigh the cost of an HDPVR vs an antenna and the amount of messing i might have to do getting the HDPVR all working properly. |
| [20:23:25] | kormoc: | It's also gonna be fun to fit from a ~2600 sqft house into a ~650 sqft apartment, wheee! |
| [20:23:56] | Josh``: | Wish I had a shell at a colo :) |
| [20:23:57] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh |
| [20:24:06] | kormoc: | Josh``: linode.com |
| [20:24:20] | Josh``: | kormoc: a root shell... |
| [20:24:23] | kormoc: | Josh``: linode.com |
| [20:24:31] | Josh``: | HMM. |
| [20:24:39] | denken: | Josh``: or stormondemand.com :) |
| [20:24:41] | denken: | but im biased |
| [20:25:34] | sphery: | denken: yeah, IMHO, if an antenna would be able to receive the signals from your local broadcasters, the only thing you have to decide is whether local-only TV is enough for you. |
| [20:26:10] | sphery: | A $100 TV antenna (which would be one of the most expensive ones you can buy) is cheaper than even one HD-PVR |
| [20:26:19] | kormoc: | denken: a bit more pricy then linode too :P |
| [20:26:34] | denken: | kormoc: truth |
| [20:26:43] | denken: | its a better product though imho |
| [20:26:52] | sphery: | You could get a $100 TV antenna and a $50 HVR-1250 for the cost of an HD-PVR (and 3 extra HVR-1250's for the cost of another HD-PVR) |
| [20:26:52] | denken: | depending on what youre after, of course |
| [20:27:05] | kormoc: | denken: seems a very similar feature set |
| [20:27:16] | denken: | kormoc: performance |
| [20:27:21] | sphery: | though that doesn't take into account the work to install it |
| [20:27:35] | denken: | sphery: yep exactly. all good points. |
| [20:27:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im sure aiming a $100 antenna for stations 50mi out is not trivial |
| [20:27:49] | kormoc: | denken: meh, that all depends who else is on your node, no matter what service |
| [20:28:21] | denken: | kormoc: ive tested horizontal and vertical scaling on both vendors |
| [20:28:32] | denken: | but again, i work for stormondemand.com so im biased |
| [20:28:37] | denken: | if you just need a simple shell, go with linode |
| [20:30:05] | gbee: | wagnerrp: would depend on the power of the transmitter, the transmitter I'm pointed at is 40 miles away and it covers a radius of more than 60 miles |
| [20:30:15] | gbee: | aiming was trivial |
| [20:30:20] | kormoc: | denken: you should post up something showing the difference |
| [20:30:27] | sphery: | wagnerrp: mine are about 50 miles away, and I was able to aim it fine--inside my attic, in spite of all the trusses--with a $0.50 compass that I got with my DISH network install kit that I used back in the day of analog TV (when I couldn't receive anywhere near usable analog transmissions) |
| [20:30:40] | denken: | kormoc: yeah im working on that with marketing actually |
| [20:30:51] | denken: | im on the syseng team |
| [20:31:37] | Josh``: | denken: I want an IP bridge to somewhere publicly accessable :) |
| [20:31:54] | Josh``: | that can keep up with my work's latency |
| [20:32:02] | kormoc: | denken: first thing that stands out to me about your service is the fact that it's only one datacenter, I can toss up linodes in multiple datacenters including ones overseas, planning on expanding from your current one? |
| [20:32:14] | denken: | sphery: well, i do watch a fair amount of sat only programming... so even if i went with an antenna i would still have to retain my sat service |
| [20:32:29] | denken: | kormoc: actually we have three datacenters we just dont advertise that fact |
| [20:32:34] | denken: | they are very local to eachother |
| [20:32:53] | denken: | we will be going for advertised geographic diversity very soon |
| [20:34:18] | denken: | i do like linodes service by the way |
| [20:34:19] | kormoc: | overseas is a big deal for a lot of folks |
| [20:34:22] | denken: | im not trying to knock it |
| [20:34:30] | denken: | it can be, yes |
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| [20:40:49] | jolaren: | I'm running the windows frontend.. It keeps saying "Can't find databasehostcomputer adress in network" |
| [20:40:55] | jolaren: | but works fine from my unix comps |
| [20:42:47] | wagnerrp: | did you create /etc/host values for those computers, rather than running a full domain server? |
| [20:43:11] | jolaren: | In the cmd prompt it says MythMainWindow::attach old: none, new: DB connect failure, thread 2952 |
| [20:43:31] | wagnerrp: | did you give that machine mysql permissions? |
| [20:43:54] | jolaren: | all lines are identical to i.e this laptop |
| [20:43:55] | jolaren: | that works |
| [20:44:09] | jolaren: | I can't find any information regarding thread 2952 |
| [20:44:21] | wagnerrp: | there is none |
| [20:44:27] | wagnerrp: | thats just the system threadid |
| [20:44:32] | wagnerrp: | specific to that specific instance |
| [20:44:58] | jolaren: | I see |
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| [20:45:05] | jolaren: | I wonder what could be wrong |
| [20:46:44] | sphery: | change the DB hostname to an IP and set proper GRANTs in MySQL for it? |
| [20:47:02] | jolaren: | it's a dns a no-ip adress |
| [20:47:24] | jolaren: | the information applied in the windows machine is identical to this computer |
| [20:47:26] | jolaren: | and this works |
| [20:49:27] | jolaren: | Where is in the config.xml file located in Windows? |
| [20:49:34] | jolaren: | I've found mysql.txt |
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| [20:52:17] | hansaplast: | I'm trying to start mythtv-backend (mythtv-backend.conf) AFTER (both) v4l drivers are loaded and need some help with it. |
| [20:52:29] | jolaren: | Cannot find (ping) database host "adress" on the network |
| [20:54:18] | hansaplast: | type: ifconfig |
| [20:54:29] | kormoc: | jolaren: we don't support non-LAN setups |
| [20:54:32] | hansaplast: | and look for inet addr |
| [20:54:37] | jolaren: | okay kormoc |
| [20:54:45] | jolaren: | it's still within the household |
| [20:54:51] | jolaren: | but i understand |
| [20:55:24] | hansaplast: | ah. thouhgt he didn't knew how to find IP |
| [20:56:06] | hansaplast: | I need some help with mythtv-backend during boot |
| [20:57:33] | hansaplast: | nobody? |
| [20:57:54] | jolaren: | well state your question |
| [21:00:52] | hansaplast: | :) I have a PVR 500 with two tuners. When mythtv-backend starts during boot. Its started to soon. Using the solution stated here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1345079 |
| [21:00:52] | hansaplast: | I've modified /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf to include both video devices (/dev/video0, /dev/video1). For some reason the backend is still started after the drivers are loaded |
| [21:03:55] | hansaplast: | any idea? |
| [21:04:20] | wagnerrp: | started before? |
| [21:04:41] | hansaplast: | nope.. Fresh installation. |
| [21:04:55] | wagnerrp: | you said the backend has started after the drivers are loaded |
| [21:05:22] | hansaplast: | yep.. If I start the backend after drivers are loaded. All is fine. |
| [21:05:45] | wagnerrp: | "For some reason the backend is still started after the drivers are loaded" |
| [21:06:09] | hansaplast: | Ow sorry. Before :S |
| [21:06:37] | wagnerrp: | you may want to try in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [21:06:42] | wagnerrp: | thats not directly a mythtv issue |
| [21:07:54] | hansaplast: | Oke.. I'll try there. btw the error I get in mythtv is: Error: MytTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings. |
| [21:08:29] | wagnerrp: | correct, because you started myth before you had any tuner cards |
| [21:08:37] | hansaplast: | after a restart of mythtv-backend all works fine. So I guess your right. Its not a mythtv bug |
| [21:09:01] | wagnerrp: | some users in here run ubuntu, but a lot of us dont |
| [21:09:20] | hansaplast: | indeed. I'll try the #ubuntu or #ubuntu-mythtv chan. tnx for yr help. |
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| [21:09:31] | wagnerrp: | so youll likely have more luck finding someone who understands ubuntu's init scripts in there |
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| [21:12:04] | jolaren: | QString::arg: Argument missing: Windows 6.6. 0 |
| [21:13:55] | jolaren: | got it working now |
| [21:13:56] | jolaren: | great |
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| [21:18:11] | jolaren: | But I can't access the setup menu |
| [21:19:32] | jolaren: | Nobody who've had the same problem? |
| [21:20:19] | jolaren: | CreateFontIndirect faile <> |
| [21:21:28] | jolaren: | Is it possible to edit the changes text wise? |
| [21:22:58] | wagnerrp: | sure, if you know what all the settings do |
| [21:23:16] | jolaren: | Okay |
| [21:23:26] | jolaren: | Really strange that I can't open the setup |
| [21:23:40] | jolaren: | Can't change the theme or anything |
| [21:23:40] | wagnerrp: | is that mythcenter? |
| [21:23:48] | jolaren: | the frontend on windows |
| [21:23:53] | wagnerrp: | the theme |
| [21:24:00] | jolaren: | no i dont believe it is |
| [21:24:05] | jolaren: | terra |
| [21:27:39] | jolaren: | i dont even know where to start digging |
| [21:31:51] | jolaren: | mythtv rly isnt windows buisness |
| [21:32:31] | jolaren: | :( |
| [21:33:32] | jolaren: | What's the name of the first skin that comes along |
| [21:33:36] | jolaren: | The default one |
| [21:33:39] | jolaren: | Which is quite ugly |
| [21:34:36] | wagnerrp: | thats a very meaningless description |
| [21:34:37] | wagnerrp: | what color |
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| [21:34:46] | jolaren: | brownish but less brown |
| [21:34:56] | jolaren: | or |
| [21:34:57] | jolaren: | grey |
| [21:35:00] | jolaren: | it's quite grey |
| [21:35:33] | jolaren: | I dont know why it matters.. I thought perhaps I could switch all files in that dir to files in annother dir |
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| [21:35:49] | gbee: | jolaren: thanks |
| [21:35:57] | jolaren: | gbee; for what? |
| [21:36:06] | gbee: | actually, you know what, just fuck off |
| [21:36:10] | wagnerrp: | the commentary |
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| [21:36:39] | jolaren: | gbee; sorry, I did not mean to offend your work! just pissed I can't get it to work, but that's my mistake not yours |
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| [21:37:27] | iamlindoro: | jolaren, nobody wants your opinion on the themes-- you foolishly assumed that the person who wrote it wouldn't be here-- now that dev (and anyone who empathizes with him) is uninterested in helping you |
| [21:37:56] | gbee: | "Which is quite ugly" < Try not taking offence, in future try a simple "I don't like it" instead |
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| [21:38:20] | jolaren: | It was idiotic, I sincerly apologize. |
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| [21:40:38] | gbee: | the stupid thing is that I'm not even fond of Terra, I wrote it as a demonstration of mythui capabilities and for that reason designed it to be as radically different from existing themes as possible (which included the colour scheme), I was asked to make it the default theme and if that hadn't happened I probably would have left it to die |
| [21:41:51] | jolaren: | I just wondered bout its name.. I can't get pass the setup screen |
| [21:42:10] | gbee: | last time I allow my themes to be put in SVN, it's like asking for a kicking |
| [21:42:32] | gbee: | I'm truly sorry that I ever said a word about GANT |
| [21:42:34] | jolaren: | Well, I enjoy all themes and my girlfriend likes the Terra theme |
| [21:44:40] | my007ms: | can i use MythTV as STB ? |
| [21:45:37] | wagnerrp: | my007ms: currently, youre probably looking for a ION system, preferably with 1GB or more of memory |
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| [21:46:03] | jolaren: | gbee; I reckon it was foolish of me to formulate myself the way I did, my intention of the statement was not to offend you but to give wagnerrp a describition of what theme I meant |
| [21:46:03] | my007ms: | wagnerrp ION system ? |
| [21:46:09] | wagnerrp: | maybe 6mo from now, you might be able to use some crystalhd decoder |
| [21:46:10] | gbee: | iamlindoro: you might appreciate this, if you only make a theme available unofficially you'll get people giving generous donations and grateful emails, the minute you make them official everyone is a critic :) |
| [21:46:14] | my007ms: | my007ms i am newbies :) |
| [21:46:35] | wagnerrp: | both of which could be set up fanless if designed properly |
| [21:46:40] | gbee: | jolaren: apology accepted, sorry for snapping at you |
| [21:47:10] | wagnerrp: | youre the guy from egypt wanting to roll out mythtv for a cable system, arent you? |
| [21:47:18] | iamlindoro: | gbee, heh... I think I am just about at the end of my "build the myth theming community goodwill tour" anyway |
| [21:47:41] | wagnerrp: | currently the ION (Atom + nvidia 9400M) is the only worthwhile form of hardware acceleration supported by mythtv |
| [21:47:44] | my007ms: | wagnerrp yes i am |
| [21:47:55] | jolaren: | gbee; Is it computer related or Terra related when you can't get into the setup menu? |
| [21:48:01] | wagnerrp: | and if youre looking to provide a very low power box for use as a frontend, thats likely your best option |
| [21:48:18] | gbee: | jolaren: it's not the theme, I'm not sure why you are having trouble |
| [21:48:44] | my007ms: | wagnerrp can i pm you pleas ? |
| [21:48:53] | wagnerrp: | with an ION, youre looking at maybe 20W for a frontend only machine |
| [21:49:02] | wagnerrp: | i would prefer not |
| [21:49:03] | my007ms: | wagnerrp no support for free if this what you think in :D |
| [21:49:12] | wagnerrp: | im not too experienced with those systems |
| [21:49:14] | wagnerrp: | never owned one |
| [21:49:32] | jolaren: | the ion asrock 330 has an ion board and works fine with mythtv hd material |
| [21:49:34] | jolaren: | i run it myself |
| [21:49:37] | my007ms: | ION have remote interface ? |
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| [21:49:53] | jolaren: | ion asrock 330pro has I believe |
| [21:50:02] | wagnerrp: | an ION is simply an Intel Atom with an nVidia 9400M |
| [21:50:17] | wagnerrp: | its up to the board manufacturer whether they provide some included LIRC capable device |
| [21:50:53] | jolaren: | I know the one provided with the stationary I recomended is in lirc (or not in lirc but lirc files posted online) |
| [21:51:25] | wagnerrp: | the asrock 330 is not an ION board, but rather a full system |
| [21:51:26] | gbee: | iamlindoro: without wanting to seem overly sensitive, I'm now wondering whether my recent apathy with regards to myth is just burnout as I first thought, or whether it's a reaction on a sub-concious level to the constant whining and complaining which met 0.22 on release |
| [21:52:01] | my007ms: | but in short i can do this use whatever hardware and mythTV and i will have full feature STB ? |
| [21:52:38] | wagnerrp: | my007ms: mythtv wants to run on PC hardware, using linux driver support |
| [21:52:45] | wagnerrp: | 1GB+ of memory is preferred |
| [21:52:52] | wagnerrp: | as is a decent processor and opengl support |
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| [21:53:59] | my007ms: | and what is A1 vendor do this away from price comparison |
| [21:54:23] | gbee: | I've been a dev for multiple releases now, but 0.22 was the one I invested most of my free time in, I genuinely thought it might put an end to some of the moaning but instead everyone found new things to dislike :/ |
| [21:54:32] | jolaren: | wagnerrp; oh he was only after the board |
| [21:54:33] | jolaren: | my mistake |
| [21:55:25] | gbee: | really pretty disappointed in myself, I thought I was above this crap |
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| [21:57:54] | my007ms: | any feed back about "Practical MythTV Building a PVR and Media Center" book ? |
| [21:58:44] | wagnerrp: | what exactly do you want this box to do? |
| [21:58:55] | wagnerrp: | being a 'STB replacement' isnt really what mythtv is designed for |
| [21:59:20] | my007ms: | ok here is what i am up to |
| [21:59:57] | my007ms: | i have customer need full solution in hotel to replace analog TV with IPTV system |
| [22:00:26] | my007ms: | he already use amino STB |
| [22:00:35] | my007ms: | and stream server |
| [22:00:39] | my007ms: | but this not working fine |
| [22:00:42] | my007ms: | amino is suxx |
| [22:00:44] | wagnerrp: | youve got a couple options for this |
| [22:00:59] | wagnerrp: | the simplest is just going to have a single massive mythtv setup |
| [22:01:12] | wagnerrp: | one or more backend servers, connected to a very large storage server |
| [22:01:19] | wagnerrp: | and you just record all of a month or two of TV |
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| [22:01:38] | wagnerrp: | and let the customers play back any of it |
| [22:01:52] | my007ms: | this will not be live ? |
| [22:02:09] | wagnerrp: | mythtv isnt really intended for livetv |
| [22:02:32] | my007ms: | :( and the other option ? |
| [22:02:32] | wagnerrp: | it can do it |
| [22:02:44] | dustybin: | i use mythtv for livetv all the time |
| [22:02:45] | wagnerrp: | but youre going to have to support a lot more hardware to do livetv for each room |
| [22:03:07] | my007ms: | can i direct stream from VLC to all network ? |
| [22:03:18] | dustybin: | what clever guy decided to move 'Watch TV' menu option down the screen? |
| [22:03:30] | my007ms: | and there will be as many VLC servers as number of channel |
| [22:03:31] | wagnerrp: | my007ms: thats really your easiest option right now, and probably the only one you can implement without significant additional code |
| [22:03:31] | bjd: | gonna need some serious storage for live stuff |
| [22:03:43] | bjd: | how many rooms are there? |
| [22:03:58] | my007ms: | almost 1000 |
| [22:03:58] | wagnerrp: | bjd: if you simply record everything, that doesnt matter |
| [22:04:18] | my007ms: | wagnerrp and the other option that need developing ? |
| [22:04:19] | wagnerrp: | if you want to do livetv, youre going to have to scale the system based off some estimate of how many users will want to watch livetv simultaneously |
| [22:04:41] | bjd: | wagnerrp: obviously, but tv on demand/live is a slightly different affair |
| [22:04:47] | my007ms: | everyone enter his room open the TV no matter he will watch or not :) |
| [22:05:00] | wagnerrp: | my007ms: the 'easy' solution would just involve the single huge mythtv installation |
| [22:05:18] | wagnerrp: | additional develoment would be if you were going to add user accounts to the system |
| [22:05:25] | wagnerrp: | for instance to access pay content |
| [22:05:30] | wagnerrp: | or in-room services |
| [22:05:36] | bjd: | you could sponsor multicast support or something :p |
| [22:05:53] | wagnerrp: | bjd: not something likely to get integrated into mythtv |
| [22:06:02] | wagnerrp: | mythtv works just fine with independent unicast streams |
| [22:06:07] | my007ms: | and how many developer i will need in this project ? |
| [22:06:36] | my007ms: | i need to have in the same box "STB" VoD |
| [22:06:48] | my007ms: | yes payed per movie |
| [22:06:52] | wagnerrp: | trying to implement anything with multicast would be a serious limiter on myth's capability |
| [22:07:09] | bjd: | huh? |
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| [22:07:22] | wagnerrp: | the whole idea of mythtv is independent frontends |
| [22:07:33] | wagnerrp: | if you use multicast, the frontends are no longer independent |
| [22:07:42] | wagnerrp: | meaning they all will watch exactly the same thing |
| [22:07:53] | wagnerrp: | rather than being able to seek back and forth through the recording at will |
| [22:07:55] | bjd: | thats kinda the point of livetv |
| [22:08:17] | wagnerrp: | multicast completely defeats the entire concept of a DVR |
| [22:08:34] | my007ms: | wagnerrp so what you advice ? |
| [22:08:49] | my007ms: | if easy solution will not working with me |
| [22:09:08] | jolaren: | The picture goes all green at some points |
| [22:09:13] | jolaren: | and I can't enter the setup menu |
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| [22:09:19] | jolaren: | Except from that everythign works kinda great.. |
| [22:10:01] | wagnerrp: | if you need pay content, that may be something that could be handled if someone ever implemented user mode in mythtv |
| [22:10:21] | wagnerrp: | there was a GSoC project for individual users way back in 2006, but nothing ever came of it |
| [22:11:20] | dustybin: | will .23 really be released in 2 weeks? :O |
| [22:11:25] | my007ms: | # Pause, skip, and rewind live TV shows. |
| [22:11:38] | wagnerrp: | the feature freeze is supposed to be in a day or two |
| [22:11:48] | jolaren: | Is it possible to make mythtv openup in a secondary display? |
| [22:11:56] | dustybin: | jeezus lord, mythtv releases are usually years apart :P |
| [22:12:11] | wagnerrp: | you can add 'EXEC' calls to the menu XML to open outside programs |
| [22:12:14] | bjd: | lol, that can't be right |
| [22:12:24] | bjd: | (wrt to 0.23) |
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| [22:13:08] | dustybin: | i already think mythtv is finished, what can possibly change? |
| [22:13:28] | jolaren: | Few things, like beein able to enter the "Setup" menu in windows ;) |
| [22:13:34] | jolaren: | Naw, jokin |
| [22:13:35] | jolaren: | I agree with you |
| [22:13:48] | hachi: | I'm starting to think that my dvb card is slow to tune to channels and mythtv interprets this as an error |
| [22:13:53] | hachi: | are there timeouts that I can increase? |
| [22:14:14] | hachi: | oof, where's my manners |
| [22:14:23] | hachi: | hello folks, have a question, but I aleady asked it out of order |
| [22:14:43] | wagnerrp: | no, you did it right the first time |
| [22:16:29] | jolaren: | I wonder where the config files executed by the setup menu is located (I'm thinkin about editing those from my linux machine) and then saving them over the curren settings |
| [22:16:44] | jolaren: | I can't play the HD contents because wrong playback device is in use @ windows |
| [22:17:01] | wagnerrp: | the wrong playback device cant be in use |
| [22:17:12] | wagnerrp: | either it uses directshow, or it outright fails |
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| [22:17:37] | jolaren: | uhm |
| [22:17:37] | jolaren: | i mean |
| [22:17:44] | jolaren: | like on my other box i can chose from vdpau normal etc etc |
| [22:17:57] | jolaren: | on my regular box playin with the CPU works but vdpau is required for hd |
| [22:18:04] | wagnerrp: | correct... the only available output in windows is directshow |
| [22:18:13] | jolaren: | My mistake |
| [22:18:20] | wagnerrp: | aside from that, you only have deinterlace options |
| [22:18:24] | jolaren: | Is it possible to atleast change themes? (for windows) |
| [22:18:34] | jolaren: | Without entering the setup menu that is |
| [22:18:40] | wagnerrp: | through the setup menu, or the command line |
| [22:19:03] | jolaren: | setup menu does not work, and command line will be hard for windows ;/ |
| [22:19:15] | wagnerrp: | start --> run --> cmd |
| [22:19:36] | wagnerrp: | or you can use win+r directly |
| [22:20:11] | jolaren: | oh, rite.. commando prompt |
| [22:20:35] | jolaren: | how would I go on with changin themes from the commando prompt? I never use windows barely |
| [22:20:49] | wagnerrp: | same way you would do so from linux |
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| [22:23:23] | my007ms: | wagnerrp do i have chance to get reply from mythTV developer ? |
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| [22:23:34] | jolaren: | I cannot find any information regardign it but I'm searchin atm |
| [22:24:27] | dustybin: | gordon brown is on tv :-S |
| [22:24:37] | wagnerrp: | jolaren: '-O Theme=whatever |
| [22:25:21] | wagnerrp: | my007ms: basically, the problem is that mythtv has very little concept of access control |
| [22:25:41] | wagnerrp: | the only thing it does have is parental levels, which is not at all suited for your use |
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| [22:26:26] | my007ms: | wagnerrp so away from VoD mythTV can do the other part ? |
| [22:26:38] | jolaren: | wagnerrp; cd prog..files..mythtv..themes..mythcenter.. |
| [22:26:39] | jolaren: | then |
| [22:26:44] | my007ms: | watching channel live in all room |
| [22:27:04] | jolaren: | -0 Theme=MythCenter |
| [22:27:22] | wagnerrp: | my007ms: as stated, you dont want to do livetv |
| [22:27:35] | jolaren: | '-0' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. |
| [22:27:39] | wagnerrp: | each instance of livetv requires its own tuner, which will not be cheap for a large hotel like that |
| [22:28:00] | wagnerrp: | just record everything, all the time |
| [22:28:09] | jolaren: | Would take a huge hdd to |
| [22:28:10] | wagnerrp: | and then users can pick up watching an in-progress recording |
| [22:28:29] | wagnerrp: | jolaren: thats not a problem when youre talking a commercial installation |
| [22:28:31] | my007ms: | wagnerrp yes but thy are ready to pay and thy already use 10 server and 30 tuner |
| [22:28:46] | wagnerrp: | how many channels do you receive? |
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| [22:28:58] | my007ms: | wagnerrp 30 |
| [22:29:36] | wagnerrp: | are those analog or digital? standard or high definition? |
| [22:29:51] | jolaren: | I really don't manage to change theme, I'm doing something basic wrong wagnerrp but i dont know what |
| [22:30:03] | my007ms: | wagnerrp yes i can make them use SAN storage even, how minute sec will be the delay between my recording and thy watching ? |
| [22:30:28] | wagnerrp: | my007ms: same delay as if they were actually using livetv in mythtv, a couple seconds |
| [22:30:52] | my007ms: | wagnerrp all room have samsong with HDMI interface connected to the amino STB |
| [22:30:55] | jolaren: | mythfrontend -0 ThemePainter=qt |
| [22:31:00] | jolaren: | rly dont get why it wont work |
| [22:31:31] | my007ms: | couple of seconds not an issue at all |
| [22:31:44] | my007ms: | if i will have all feature this will be great |
| [22:31:55] | my007ms: | like pause ... etc |
| [22:32:18] | jolaren: | wagnerrp; invalid arguments -0 |
| [22:33:00] | wagnerrp: | look what i typed, and look what you typed |
| [22:33:55] | wagnerrp: | my007ms: 30 SD channels is going to run about 10MB/s, while that many HD will be closer to 60MB/s |
| [22:34:43] | wagnerrp: | thats roughly between 1–5TB/day depending on how many channels are SD and HD |
| [22:35:36] | my007ms: | wagnerrp ~ 30TB per week |
| [22:35:57] | wagnerrp: | or about $2500/week of storage |
| [22:36:08] | my007ms: | wagnerrp this will be very impressive and in this case he can run show 5 days ago :) |
| [22:36:23] | jolaren: | wagnerrp; got it working |
| [22:36:34] | jolaren: | btw, so dxva is not supported in linux at this stage? |
| [22:36:58] | wagnerrp: | dxva does not exist in linux, and neither does does directx |
| [22:37:03] | my007ms: | wagnerrp and how many SD i will need to recored this 30 channel ? |
| [22:37:38] | wagnerrp: | my007ms: standard def channels are about 1/6th the size of high def |
| [22:37:56] | wagnerrp: | jolaren: instead, we get XvMC, VDPAU, XvBA, and VAAPI |
| [22:39:01] | my007ms: | wagnerrp so one SAN storage 50TB will be sufficient |
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| [22:41:49] | jolaren: | wagnerrp; so a dualboot is needed for me |
| [22:41:56] | jolaren: | cuz without beein able to playback the HD channels |
| [22:42:02] | jolaren: | mythtv is useless (to me) |
| [22:42:09] | jolaren: | ya understand rite |
| [22:46:04] | my007ms: | wagnerrp Each frontend communicates with one or more backend servers so i have have more then one server |
| [22:46:26] | wagnerrp: | my007ms: you need to have as many servers as you need to hold all your tuner cards |
| [22:46:44] | jolaren: | my007ms; are you trying to do this to save money? |
| [22:47:02] | my007ms: | jolaren no i need more feature |
| [22:47:26] | my007ms: | jolaren amino is very cheap compare with thin-client which i like to use |
| [22:48:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, youre looking at a minimum of around $200 per frontend |
| [22:48:45] | jolaren: | I see |
| [22:48:46] | wagnerrp: | for an ion system, a gb of memory, IR device, case, and power supply |
| [22:48:57] | wagnerrp: | assuming they all run off a network boot |
| [22:49:10] | jolaren: | well yeah, pxe would be the way to go |
| [22:49:17] | jolaren: | to keep costs down |
| [22:49:38] | bjd: | not so much costs but management for sure |
| [22:49:50] | bjd: | sod maintaining 1k frontends :p |
| [22:49:57] | jolaren: | heh |
| [22:49:59] | my007ms: | wagnerrp and how many server you estimate to have 30 channel available for frontend |
| [22:50:41] | jolaren: | how many frontends? |
| [22:50:48] | bjd: | 1k |
| [22:50:57] | my007ms: | yes max |
| [22:51:03] | jolaren: | 1000 frontends? |
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| [22:51:22] | my007ms: | yes |
| [22:51:22] | jolaren: | I'm sorry if I'm echoing what has alerady been said |
| [22:51:35] | bjd: | hotel with ~1k rooms |
| [22:51:42] | bjd: | so yes, worst case scenario |
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| [22:52:04] | Wicked: | hello all. this may not be the right place to ask but does anyone here have experience with making a xbox1 running xbmc work with a mythtv backend? i have a chance to get a xbox1 for free have been wanting to try xbmc on it..and it would be freaking awesome if it could integrate with mythtv |
| [22:52:11] | wagnerrp: | my007ms: it just depends on how many tuners you need |
| [22:52:23] | bjd: | Wicked: it sucked |
| [22:52:28] | wagnerrp: | with dual tuner cards, youre probably looking at 4 boxes |
| [22:52:39] | Wicked: | bjd, yea? what sucked?.. |
| [22:52:41] | kormoc: | to be fair, streaming to 1k frontends, you're gonna have issues with network and io |
| [22:52:46] | bjd: | Wicked: it works, just not great |
| [22:52:48] | jolaren: | He'd probarbly need 1000 tuners, really.. If your in a hotel.. and someone switches the channel when yor watchin |
| [22:52:54] | jolaren: | I don't know about you wagnerrp but that would annoy me |
| [22:53:06] | bjd: | Wicked: the xbox is quite an underpowered system |
| [22:53:07] | wagnerrp: | jolaren: thats why you record everything, and have everyone play back recordings |
| [22:53:19] | kormoc: | jolaren: he's talking about recording all 30 of his channels 24x7 |
| [22:53:23] | Wicked: | bjd, yea i know. but ive heard its ok for SD |
| [22:53:50] | my007ms: | wagnerrp 4 box can serve 1000 room ? |
| [22:53:53] | kormoc: | Wicked: they don't really work with us, so we don't really know what they do |
| [22:53:59] | wagnerrp: | my007ms: what kormoc said, your SAN is going to have to push ~2GB/s if every room is watching in HD |
| [22:54:12] | kormoc: | + network |
| [22:54:28] | wagnerrp: | myth's network protocol isnt really designed to take that |
| [22:54:33] | Wicked: | kormoc, ah. thats a shame. i have a feeling if the two of you teamed up you could make something really awesome |
| [22:54:38] | wagnerrp: | so youre going to have to have the frontends pull directly off NFS |
| [22:54:45] | bjd: | Wicked: i was asking about this the other night actually, so i thought i'd try it – like i said it works but not greatly. would be worth spending$200 on a system that can actualyl utilise teh mythfroned imo |
| [22:55:07] | bjd: | -typos |
| [22:55:22] | Wicked: | bjd, yea. right now i have a fe/be system that works really well for me. im just curious to try other things. |
| [22:55:26] | kormoc: | Wicked: different ideologies at play, we stay away from any legally grey content, they encourage it, etc |
| [22:55:32] | kormoc: | Wicked: makes it fairly tough to work together |
| [22:55:38] | Wicked: | xbmc does look kinda cool and its all shiny and stuff hehe |
| [22:55:44] | bjd: | yup |
| [22:56:02] | Wicked: | ah. |
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| [22:56:52] | Wicked: | maby ill just install xbmc on here tonight and play around with it...if i like it enough ill get the xbox1 and try it on there. |
| [22:57:10] | bjd: | =) |
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| [22:57:12] | my007ms: | wagnerrp what about maintenance 2 network each 500 |
| [22:57:13] | Wicked: | chances are ill get bored after a while and just stick with mythfrontend :) |
| [22:57:25] | my007ms: | wagnerrp is this solve the problem ? |
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| [22:57:46] | oobe: | i have recently expirimented with xbmc as a frontend |
| [22:58:02] | bjd: | on an xbox? |
| [22:58:26] | oobe: | it takes a bit to get used to if you use myth but the main problems were certain video plays back buggy particuarly my recordings |
| [22:58:36] | oobe: | no on pc |
| [22:58:42] | bjd: | ah |
| [22:58:48] | bjd: | i had playback issues |
| [22:58:54] | oobe: | i still prefer mythfrontend |
| [22:58:58] | bjd: | couldn't put it down to the software or hardware |
| [22:59:01] | jolaren: | Bootin off the mythtbuntu live-cd didn't really work the way I've planed |
| [22:59:08] | oobe: | but thats no surprise since i been using that for so long |
| [22:59:14] | Wicked: | ah |
| [22:59:15] | jolaren: | There's strange colors all over the screen |
| [22:59:40] | Wicked: | well. i had looked at xbmc a while back but never really used it...i think ill give it a shot tonight |
| [22:59:43] | oobe: | jolaren, are you tring to install with the live cd or just test a frontend |
| [22:59:53] | jolaren: | just test as frontend |
| [23:00:00] | jolaren: | cuz windows wont playback the hd channels i have |
| [23:00:24] | oobe: | you might need to load the graphics drivers and restart x server before it plays well |
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| [23:01:39] | jolaren: | oobe; How would I do that? :/ |
| [23:02:01] | oobe: | i dont know what card you are using |
| [23:02:21] | oobe: | but you need to edit xorg.conf to load the driver or even install the driver first |
| [23:02:24] | jolaren: | neither do I really, I guess I could take a look |
| [23:02:26] | oobe: | then edit |
| [23:03:00] | oobe: | lspci | grep VGA might help |
| [23:03:17] | my007ms: | kormoc what max number of frontend i can stream to without problem ? |
| [23:03:46] | jolaren: | btw do you guys have any tips.. I'm tired of running my 1u rack as a backend (sounds to much and is to expensive to run).. |
| [23:03:48] | kormoc: | my007ms: there's no simple answer to that, it depends on a lot of factors (Network, IO, etc) |
| [23:03:50] | oobe: | my007ms, that is more a network latency limitation |
| [23:03:58] | jolaren: | I'm thinkin about |
| [23:04:06] | jolaren: | What should I need to get mythbackend work flawlessly |
| [23:04:13] | jolaren: | with like 5–6 frontends |
| [23:04:14] | kormoc: | and honestly, the backend's never (afaik) had to deal with having hundreds of clients at once |
| [23:04:35] | kormoc: | it might scale well enough, it might not |
| [23:04:56] | oobe: | it depends more on your network upstream than anything else |
| [23:05:02] | my007ms: | kormoc so what ISP use to provide like this services |
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| [23:05:16] | oobe: | install iperf on 2 machines on your network to do bw tests |
| [23:05:27] | kormoc: | my007ms: you're talking about streaming to 1000 HD clients over a internet connection? |
| [23:05:49] | kormoc: | oobe: he's talking about doing 30 channels recording 24x7 streaming to 1000 frontends with HD capabilities |
| [23:05:58] | bjd: | was it HD? |
| [23:06:20] | bjd: | it was to 1000 rooms so one would assume 100 megglebits connectivity |
| [23:06:23] | my007ms: | kormoc no it's over LAN in hotel, but if i face all this problem in LAN so how ISP solve this and sell IPTV service to 100 of 1000 |
| [23:06:26] | JohnTed: | http://www.amazon.com/Sony-DAV-IS10-5-1-Chann . . . p/B000ROQ0YO |
| [23:06:35] | JohnTed: | Is that a decent sound system that would work well with MythTV? |
| [23:06:52] | kormoc: | my007ms: by having very nice network hardware (I'd recommend using some hp procurve core switches, they run around 10k per) |
| [23:06:54] | my007ms: | kormoc most of channel not HD |
| [23:07:15] | bjd: | kormoc: poocurves :( |
| [23:07:26] | kormoc: | but some are and given you don't know if they're watching HD or not, you have to plan for max capacity |
| [23:07:29] | jolaren: | How do I make this symbol on a US keyboard? " | " |
| [23:07:39] | kormoc: | bjd: they're extremely solid for the price |
| [23:07:42] | jolaren: | In Sweden we do "alt gr + <" |
| [23:07:44] | kormoc: | jolaren: shift + \ |
| [23:08:37] | jolaren: | kormoc; gives me an & |
| [23:08:51] | kormoc: | That's a shift + 7 on a us keyboard |
| [23:08:58] | oobe: | oh lol i didnt know that well thats impossible |
| [23:09:01] | kormoc: | it must not be mapped correctly |
| [23:09:07] | jolaren: | kormoc; i see |
| [23:09:09] | kormoc: | oobe: it's not impossible, it's just not simple |
| [23:09:15] | jolaren: | kormoc; thats what im hittin shift plus 7 |
| [23:09:18] | oobe: | yea agreed |
| [23:09:33] | kormoc: | jolaren: I said shift + \ (slash) |
| [23:09:36] | my007ms: | kormoc i was think if i can use mulicast it will sove Network problem |
| [23:09:42] | oobe: | need to do a bunch of stuff that has never been tried before |
| [23:09:54] | kormoc: | my007ms: doubtful, as the whole point is to give units individual control, no? |
| [23:10:02] | jolaren: | kormoc; gives me and underline |
| [23:10:15] | jolaren: | i'll just create a ubuntu bootin disc and try off that |
| [23:10:24] | kormoc: | cause if you're just sending a feed, you might as well skip the whole pvr concept and just get a rf modulator and do it that way |
| [23:11:02] | wagnerrp: | my007ms: as i tried to explain earlier, if you use multicast, everyone has to watch exactly the same thing |
| [23:11:11] | wagnerrp: | meaning you are no longer running a DVR |
| [23:11:23] | wagnerrp: | you cannot pause/rewind/whatever |
| [23:11:39] | oobe: | are you setting up mythtv for a bunch of hotel rooms or somthing? |
| [23:11:44] | wagnerrp: | oobe: yes |
| [23:11:50] | oobe: | wow |
| [23:11:58] | oobe: | would be exciting to see that |
| [23:11:58] | jolaren: | How does your backend look? And how many comp/tvs are watchin from it? |
| [23:12:12] | jolaren: | I'm thinking what I need for 5–6 tvs, my 1u rack works fine atm.. |
| [23:12:15] | kormoc: | jolaren: given this is all theory, it looks like nothing and undefined |
| [23:12:15] | my007ms: | wagnerrp but in multicast each user do listen to only channel he like to watch and stream not go all over the network all the time at least this what i understand |
| [23:12:32] | kormoc: | my007ms: yes, but you can't control that stream without controlling it for everyone |
| [23:12:43] | jolaren: | kormoc; but my 1u rack sounds alot and costs alot in drift |
| [23:12:49] | jolaren: | so I'm thinkin about gettin a barebone or smth |
| [23:12:51] | jolaren: | quit |
| [23:12:55] | jolaren: | I just need to know what prestanda I need |
| [23:12:59] | wagnerrp: | which means all these users requesting multicast support in mythtv are clueless |
| [23:13:14] | my007ms: | kormoc ok then i will give up and make no one can control the stream only he can watch it |
| [23:13:17] | bjd: | not really |
| [23:13:27] | wagnerrp: | my007ms: then theres no purpose in running mythtv |
| [23:13:46] | wagnerrp: | stick with your existing service which already provides that |
| [23:13:53] | bjd: | if you just want to broadcast one stream that no one should manipulate (yes, defeats the point of a PVR) multicast would be ideal |
| [23:15:03] | my007ms: | like VLC i think |
| [23:15:09] | bjd: | let face it... average joe who stays in a hotel won't give a shit if the room has a pvr system or not :p |
| [23:15:31] | kormoc: | my007ms: why? If you're just going to send them feeds to view, a select number of feeds, why bother migrating away from what you have now? |
| [23:16:30] | my007ms: | kormoc amino is very slow and i need to have things in frontend like full browther |
| [23:16:53] | kormoc: | browther? |
| [23:16:57] | bjd: | browser |
| [23:16:57] | wagnerrp: | browser |
| [23:16:59] | my007ms: | also i was think i can make user recorder show thy want in server and play it from there |
| [23:17:11] | wagnerrp: | if you are not going to provide DVR capability, you do not want mythtv |
| [23:17:17] | kormoc: | why not just get tivo's for each room |
| [23:17:25] | ** bjd wonders if my007ms is trying to over-engineer this ** | |
| [23:17:36] | kormoc: | and web browsers on a tv is horrible when you only have a remote |
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| [23:18:07] | my007ms: | i am system engineer and i have customer working in hospitality like to do this |
| [23:18:33] | my007ms: | kormoc he give every room wireless keyboard/mouse |
| [23:18:50] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
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| [23:19:53] | my007ms: | what max number frontend you see one backend serve |
| [23:20:05] | wagnerrp: | that depends entirely on the hardware |
| [23:20:23] | my007ms: | with most power hardware in market today |
| [23:20:39] | hipitihop: | you can also have 'n' backends setup as slaves |
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| [23:20:42] | my007ms: | else super computer :D |
| [23:21:00] | wagnerrp: | hipitihop: yes, but there is no logic to load-balance playback |
| [23:21:32] | oobe: | you could run 6 1 GB network cards on the backend and have some machines using each however i dont know how you would make the backend listen on seperate addresses i dont think that is possible |
| [23:21:34] | oobe: | or multiple storage groups on multiple slave backends with 1GB network cards to share the load |
| [23:21:39] | hipitihop: | wagnerrp, quite correct |
| [23:22:39] | wagnerrp: | oobe: mythtv is not designed for the case where one machine would be unable to serve all connected frontends |
| [23:22:40] | bjd: | oobe: could aggregate teh network interfaces |
| [23:23:02] | wagnerrp: | each slave backend could serve the content it had recorded |
| [23:23:15] | wagnerrp: | but if youve got a hundred users all hitting the same backend, youre swamped |
| [23:23:16] | jolaren: | I dont understand, mythbuntu and ubuntu loads the same kernels rite? Why does ubuntu start fluently and not mythbuntu from live cd? |
| [23:23:20] | oobe: | yea i dont know about aggregating but i was thinking there might be somthing like that |
| [23:23:49] | bjd: | oobe: lacp might be a good place to start reading if you're interested |
| [23:24:13] | oobe: | yea jolaren should be reading it |
| [23:24:33] | bjd: | anyway, sleepytime |
| [23:24:33] | wagnerrp: | for one machine to serve all that, youre looking at bonded 10gbps ethernet, or some form of infiniband |
| [23:24:34] | bjd: | nn! |
| [23:24:43] | wagnerrp: | gigabit will never push that much |
| [23:25:24] | wagnerrp: | and i dont know if the backend is even up to that kind of scalability |
| [23:25:25] | jolaren: | oobe; should be readin what? |
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| [23:25:36] | wagnerrp: | youre better off having the clients hit the storage server directly |
| [23:26:03] | wagnerrp: | and youre still going to have massive problems getting your mysql server to scale to that size |
| [23:26:20] | bjd: | hardly |
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| [23:26:59] | wagnerrp: | if you get a bunch of people hitting the EPG, youre talking tens of thousands of queries per second |
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| [23:27:28] | iamlindoro: | and seektables, and scheduler overhead in livetv |
| [23:27:29] | my007ms: | so am totally stranded |
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| [23:28:14] | oobe: | jolaren, somthing like this as an idea http://www.michaelbrumm.com/how-to-aggregate-bandwidth.html |
| [23:28:18] | wagnerrp: | its probably doable, but far beyond anything we have the experience to support in any manner |
| [23:28:57] | jolaren: | oobe; I have 100/100 connection |
| [23:29:00] | jolaren: | and a switch |
| [23:29:11] | oobe: | you would need to upgrade everything |
| [23:29:16] | wagnerrp: | oobe: more like this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.3ad |
| [23:29:29] | my007ms: | wagnerrp what if divided them 100 to 10 group |
| [23:29:39] | oobe: | you would want a gigabit switch and gigabit nic's |
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| [23:30:00] | wagnerrp: | oobe: only the backend and switch would need to support gigabit, clients could be 100mbps |
| [23:30:08] | jolaren: | oobe; so 100 mbits is not sufficent? I need a gigabyte switch? |
| [23:30:13] | oobe: | yea true wagnerrp |
| [23:30:19] | my007ms: | wagnerrp each group have it's own network |
| [23:30:34] | wagnerrp: | jolaren: a single HD stream will be upwards of 20mbps |
| [23:30:51] | wagnerrp: | if you want five frontends, youre exceeding the limits of 100mbps ethernet |
| [23:31:02] | oobe: | jolaren, yea otherwise the server will be stuck at 100 up which would not work for more than 1 or 2 fe's |
| [23:31:03] | jolaren: | But four would be okay, np.. |
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| [23:31:32] | jolaren: | uhm if a hd stream does 20 mbps and I have 100 mbps 4 x 20 equals 80, rite? |
| [23:31:33] | jolaren: | or am I doin it all wrong |
| [23:31:50] | wagnerrp: | thats correct, but youre probably better off with gigabit to be on the safe side |
| [23:32:00] | wagnerrp: | nearly any system board you buy will come with gigabit |
| [23:32:08] | wagnerrp: | and gigabit switches are not very expensive these days |
| [23:32:25] | oobe: | but how many clients are we talking about |
| [23:32:35] | oobe: | clients = fe's |
| [23:32:54] | jolaren: | my netbook, my htpc, my bedroom tv and my bathroom tv |
| [23:33:00] | jolaren: | and my gfs comp |
| [23:33:02] | jolaren: | laptop |
| [23:33:10] | jolaren: | but their almsot never runnin at the same time |
| [23:33:15] | jolaren: | but I could get a gigabyte switch, np |
| [23:33:25] | jolaren: | if its within my budget that is |
| [23:33:31] | oobe: | oh i didnt relise i thought you wanted heaps |
| [23:33:36] | oobe: | like in a hotel room |
| [23:33:49] | my007ms: | wagnerrp 100 frontend = 100x20 so even group with 100 user each can not be done right ? |
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| [23:34:20] | jolaren: | oobe; so I dont need a gigabyte switch? the fudge haha |
| [23:34:26] | oobe: | jolaren, just try using the hardware you have and upgrade the backend to gigabit and a gigabit switch if needed |
| [23:34:51] | jolaren: | oobe; the backend has a gigabit slot.. but I'm gonna change the backend |
| [23:34:54] | oobe: | jolaren, i mentioned using iperf earlier |
| [23:35:01] | oobe: | its a good way to find out right now |
| [23:36:44] | jolaren: | installin it atm |
| [23:36:53] | jolaren: | ssh jolaren@jolaren.no-ip.org |
| [23:37:13] | AndyCap: | jolaren: Password: |
| [23:37:32] | jolaren: | lol |
| [23:37:38] | jolaren: | comp froze |
| [23:37:39] | AndyCap: | dang. :) |
| [23:37:49] | jolaren: | haha |
| [23:37:59] | jolaren: | if you wouldn't have highlighted me |
| [23:38:04] | jolaren: | i would have prompted the password |
| [23:38:40] | AndyCap: | would have been hassle to change it |
| [23:39:44] | jolaren: | yer |
| [23:40:30] | my007ms: | kormoc wagnerrp before i go to sleep :) " do what what i plan to do i need to have something like my current multi-cast system and above this MythTV" |
| [23:40:44] | my007ms: | do i understand right ? |
| [23:40:57] | jolaren: | sudo iperf -s |
| [23:40:59] | jolaren: | it loads |
| [23:41:19] | jolaren: | I'm watchin TV but it does not give me an output about how much bandwidth is beein consumed |
| [23:41:50] | kormoc: | use iptraf |
| [23:43:47] | oobe: | iperf -s then iperf -c host |
| [23:43:52] | oobe: | and dont watch tv |
| [23:44:11] | oobe: | iptraf is what you would use while watching tv |
| [23:44:25] | oobe: | iperf is testing the max bw usage |
| [23:44:36] | oobe: | iptraf is monitoring the actual bw usage |
| [23:44:44] | my007ms: | kormoc can i have something like virtual tuner that convert received multi-cast to the backend of mythTV "i will have backend&frontend in the thin-client in each room |
| [23:45:17] | my007ms: | so now i have PVR in each room and over all i use multi-cast |
| [23:45:40] | kormoc: | you'd need local storage to hold it all |
| [23:45:45] | kormoc: | but yes, you can do that |
| [23:46:05] | my007ms: | and what will do the virtual tuner job ? |
| [23:46:21] | kormoc: | something that streams via iptv |
| [23:46:33] | jolaren: | oobe; I'm gettin no output from the way you listed. Iptraf works tho |
| [23:46:45] | my007ms: | kormoc any example ? |
| [23:46:52] | oobe: | iperf needs to be run as server anc client from 2 machines |
| [23:47:10] | oobe: | i am thinking you are trying to run it from one machine |
| [23:47:17] | kormoc: | my007ms: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Multiple_Recordings_with_VLC |
| [23:48:32] | my007ms: | kormoc and you think it's good idea to do this ? |
| [23:48:49] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [23:48:55] | kormoc: | it's worth a shot, but no idea how it'll end |
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| [23:49:38] | jolaren: | 2142 kbits/s is the highest listed object |
| [23:49:48] | jolaren: | all – all would be something like 2300 kbits |
| [23:50:16] | oobe: | that is enough to stream HD to one client or SD to 4 clients |
| [23:50:38] | jolaren: | that's what its streaming atm to one client tho |
| [23:50:46] | oobe: | assuming you ran iperf -s on the client and iperf -c host on the server |
| [23:50:57] | jolaren: | nono oobe this is iptraf |
| [23:51:04] | danielk22 (danielk22!~danielk@96.57.9.142) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | |
| [23:51:13] | oobe: | then its not testing the max throughput |
| [23:51:23] | oobe: | its just giving you results of current usage |
| [23:51:27] | my007ms: | SD channel generate ?M/s |
| [23:51:29] | jolaren: | i'd like to start all comps n set em up |
| [23:51:43] | jolaren: | but my baby girl is sleeping |
| [23:51:48] | kormoc: | my007ms: depends on the capture type/options |
| [23:52:06] | jolaren: | one of my tvs is sending 3000kbits atm |
| [23:52:09] | jolaren: | and its regular tv |
| [23:52:12] | oobe: | jolaren, i told you how to test it properly without starting all clients |
| [23:52:20] | my007ms: | :) streaming have many variable |
| [23:53:14] | jolaren: | iperf -s then iperf -c |
| [23:53:24] | oobe: | just read the man page |
| [23:53:26] | oobe: | its simple |
| [23:53:29] | jolaren: | iperf -s gives me no output except from the Server listening on port... |
| [23:53:33] | jolaren: | and iperf -c is not recognized |
| [23:54:07] | my007ms: | to output video to HDMI is there any problem as long as i have dhmi interface ? |
| [23:54:29] | my007ms: | *hdmi |
| [23:55:13] | dmb is now known as dmbq | |
| [23:55:20] | dmbq is now known as dmb | |
| [23:55:32] | jolaren: | sudo iperf -c 77.110.61.151 |
| [23:56:20] | oobe: | iperf -s is a server |
| [23:56:28] | oobe: | iperf -c host is a client |
| [23:57:38] | oobe: | you obviously wouldnt run it from the same machine |
| [23:57:56] | oobe: | nor would you run it while the machines are streaming |
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