Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, February 10th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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Beirdo:

So...

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Beirdo:

I can get 7 digital channels... on a clothes hanger :)

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Beirdo:

I need an antenna

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Beirdo:

only 2 are good enough for real reception

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Beirdo:

and they are Univision crappiness

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wagnerrp:

ah... the downside of living in a tropical paradise

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

wonder when Rat Shack closes

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wagnerrp:

you stay right there, with your spanish language channels

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Beirdo:

don't make me kick yer ass

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

the HD part...

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wagnerrp:

ive got to go dig the better part of a foot of snow out of my driveway

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Beirdo:

all stupid Spanish soap operas

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Beirdo:

what a waste of HD

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Beirdo:

the SD station... Spanish talk shows

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Beirdo:

argh

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

PBS (all 5 channels) ALMOST comes in

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Beirdo:

ah screw it

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Beirdo:

it can wait for tomorrow

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Beirdo:

there's a Walmart right by work anyways :)

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Beirdo:

oh

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Beirdo:

and this cheap little converter box... doesn't have Atlantic time

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

so all the info is off by an hour

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Beirdo:

nice 1080i crap show

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Beirdo:

hhe

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afm:

finally have everything working...mythtv, macmini, hpvr, ir-receiver, firewire channel changing, spdif passthru with pulseaudio! woot. couldn't have done it without you all. Thank You

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure neither mythtv, nor passthrough, work with pulseaudio

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afm:

http://owened.net/2009/11/03/mythbuntu-9-10-p . . . iec958-spdif

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afm:

that was a stellar google find

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wagnerrp:

so....

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wagnerrp:

its a webpage describing how to let mythtv disable pulseaudio, and then use ALSA passthrough

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afm:

ok...sorry, miss understood what i was doing at that level i suppose...but works

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wagnerrp:

dont worry, the blogger doesnt understand thats what hes describing how to do either

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afm:

heh....

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afm:

now to move on to streaming/transcoding...is it possible to use an internal streamer for the web interface, instead of m3u playlist files?

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wagnerrp:

you mean some sort of embedded flash mp3 player?

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afm:

yeah...exactly...

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afm:

nab some code from subsonic perhaps...ffmpeg based

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afm:

just found http://code.google.com/p/mythtv-for-iphone/wi . . . llationGuide

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wagnerrp:

you said m3u which is generally for music

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wagnerrp:

but do you mean mythmusic on mythweb? or all mythtv content in general?

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afm:

mythtv content in general

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wagnerrp:

music and videos just get streamed directly

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wagnerrp:

recordings do have a internal flash player

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wagnerrp:

with limited transcode capability

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afm:

music bad, but I'd like to limit the bandwidth used when watching video

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afm:

er music not bad....

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newbie005:

hi, I used nuxexport recentally, the quality was terrible. doing something stupid in ffmpeg (resize to 100x1000 then back to 720x480) would appear better

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newbie005:

perhaps I should say un-usable, even terrible would be better

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jolaren:

Can anyone recomend a neat skin for mythfrontend?

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Beirdo:

human?

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Beirdo:

I believe the term is "theme" :)

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Beirdo:

and I'm sure there are plenty to choose from

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wagnerrp:

some themers get pissed off if you equate their themes with some background you would slap on winamp with the a snapshot of the latest pre-teen singer on it

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jolaren:

Hehe

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jolaren:

I reckon the difference – my mistake

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wagnerrp:

a bit of knowledge you can have some good fun with

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Beirdo:

they can be touchy on the subject :)

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jolaren:

the human theme is a standardized one rite?

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jolaren:

I dun like the standard ones that much

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Beirdo:

no, I meant human skin :)

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jolaren:

The blue' one is quite good tho

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Beirdo:

I was bein a smartass :)

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wagnerrp:

anyway.... 0.22 got a complete UI rewrite

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wagnerrp:

meaning all the old themes got scrapped

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wagnerrp:

there are only a handful released to choose from

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Themes

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wagnerrp:

theres also a couple others that should be available shortly to go along with the theming competition

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wagnerrp:

note that some of those themes will only work in trunk

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jolaren:

yer ive seen all of em

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jolaren:

thanks tho for fixin that for me

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jolaren:

i mean

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jolaren:

educatin me

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ubun2Junky:

does anyone know if there is a something like hdhomerun that does SD and HD? Something that has two tuner and if does it over ethernet that would be bonus!

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Beirdo:

!url google

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MythLogBot:

google: http://www.google.com/

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** wagnerrp thinks that should be for lmgtfy.com instead **

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

ubun2Junky: the hdhomerun does SD and HD, and works over ethernet just fine

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ubun2Junky:

perhaps I used SD incorrectly... what I mean is analog

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wagnerrp:

right... there was some thing i saw on woot a while back, but i dont remember the name off hand

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Beirdo:

ack!

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Beirdo:

embedding perl is gonna be... fun

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wseltzer:

Does anyone have tips for debugging if previews/screenshots are no longer appearing?

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wagnerrp:

check your backend logs

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wseltzer:

it's successfully creating the images (and logging that), but not showing them

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wagnerrp:

perhaps dump your theme cache

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wseltzer:

thanks, I'll try that

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wseltzer:

no luck there, or with switching themes

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bonelifer:

not mythtv related, but hopefully someone will know. Will the X10 Firecracker work off a USB-to-Serial adapter well?

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afm:

hmmm i have cover art working within mythtv, but not mythweb for my videos...ideas?

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wagnerrp:

what version of mythtv/mythweb are you using?

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afm:

mythbuntu 9.10 which is 0.22 i believe

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wagnerrp:

are you using storage groups?

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afm:

not that i configured

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afm:

ahh bad symlink

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i want you to know, i caught the back end of an episode of Law and Order: SVU on one of my recordings

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wagnerrp:

two people fell off a building, and landed on a car

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iamlindoro:

haha

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iamlindoro:

nice

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wagnerrp:

sadly, it was the same car

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wagnerrp:

no two-for

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jams:

updated defaultmenu graph for anybody who wants it. http://jmeyer.us/screens/menugraph.png

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Memphis:

jams: I can't seem to find a mainmenu.xml on my mythbuntu install, trying to remove one of the icons from the main menu; 'Optical Disks'

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Memphis:

I've looked in /usr/share/mythtv and some of the sub directories

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Memphis:

actually nevermind, there are some

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Faithful:

How good can a USB HDTV Tuner be? What about picture quality?

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wagnerrp:

digital tuners all provide exactly the same quality

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wagnerrp:

if there is sufficient signal strength and quality to rebuild the stream in its entirety (somewhere around 70% of the total data)

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wagnerrp:

you get an exact copy of the original video

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, your audio and video very rapidly drops off to undecodable garbage

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Faithful:

wagnerrp, Can I ask then how my myth box looks significantly better on my LCD TV than the inbuilt HD Tuner???

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wagnerrp:

you have a very TV with poor deinterlacers and scalers

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wagnerrp:

s/very/cheap/

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wagnerrp:

with a digital signal, thats the only possibility

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Faithful:

Problem I am facing is my new GT220 card takes up 2 slot spaces so I lost a pci card

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Faithful:

wagnerrp, Yep it is a cheapy...

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Faithful:

But my mythbox with HDMI in to TV looks great.

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wagnerrp:

the mythtv box is supplanting much of the hardware that would otherwise make it a more expensive tv

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Faithful:

So with a USB stick the only 2 questions are 1. Does it work? 2. Tuner Sensitivity?

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wagnerrp:

basically

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wagnerrp:

some tuners will handle low signal better, other will handle poor quality (like echos) better

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wagnerrp:

but much of that is subjective

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wagnerrp:

and theres no real good information on that on the internet

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Faithful:

I am in a good area with good TV antenna usually 94%+ signal in myth

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Faithful:

So if these cheap usb tuners work I could run a couple of them...

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wagnerrp:

for every person who knows about the hardware, theres a thousand more who think their tuner is good just because it works for their specific case

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** wagnerrp falls in the latter group **

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Faithful:

My PCI tuner works out of the box in Linux... that makes it "good" to me.

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Faithful:

even if it is bt878

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

yeah... no one likes a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

framegrabbers are fine for viewing

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wagnerrp:

but if you actually want to record, theyre no fun to deal with

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Faithful:

But my new GT220 card... now thats nice full HD 1080p VDPAU and 8% CPU :-))

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wagnerrp:

but anything you record is only going to be 1080i

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wagnerrp:

and that 8% is probably just some bug from the UI pulse code

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wagnerrp:

if should be 0–1%

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Faithful:

It surely rox... makes that Fanless ITX Atom board for AU$85 look attractive.

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[R]:

how much is AU$85?

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Faithful:

so DVB-T HD is 1080i ???

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[R]:

Faithful: you'll have to aks your provider what they broadcast in

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wagnerrp:

no, DVB-T actually can be 1080p

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wagnerrp:

technically, ATSC supports 1080p as well, but i dont believe anyone uses it

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[R]:

wagnerrp: theres enough bandwidth?

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Faithful:

Hmmm.... half the time it looks like 576 upscaled to me.

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wagnerrp:

[R]: you can pump 1080p down dialup if you want

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[R]:

wagnerrp: yeah but you woudlnj't be watching it in real time

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[R]:

like you do over the air

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Faithful:

Hmmm... suppose I will need to buy a BluRay Drive now :-/

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wagnerrp:

[R]: no, real time

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[R]:

hwo fast is dialup?

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wagnerrp:

you can compress things as far as you want, youre just not going to get any semblance of the original video at the other end

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

you know what i mean

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wagnerrp:

which is why no one broadcasts 1080p

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[R]:

so the answer is no

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wagnerrp:

although technically 1080p24 would consume less bandwidth than 1080i60

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wagnerrp:

and nearly all pre-recorded content on TV is done at 24fps

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Faithful:

So HDTV will never rival BluRay?

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wagnerrp:

Faithful: not the current generation, no

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wagnerrp:

although the current generation may very well be the last generation for both broadcast and disk media

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Faithful:

Does BluRay decode on MythTV?

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wagnerrp:

(current being DVB-T2)

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wagnerrp:

decode, yes... decrypt, no

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wagnerrp:

you can decrypt the disk using AnyDVD HD on windows, and pull out the m2ts video

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wagnerrp:

which you can then decode (play back) with mythtv

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Faithful:

So can I watch BluRay on Myth if I by a Drive?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: seems like $74.5 US

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[R]:

thats pretty good

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wagnerrp:

Faithful: and a copy of windows, and a copy of AnyDVD HD

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[R]:

can you rip a bluray and then burn it back to a blank one?

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wagnerrp:

sure, if you want to spend the $10/disk on dual layer media

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wagnerrp:

at which point its probably the same price just to buy a second copy

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[R]:

lol

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Faithful:

So there is currently no decryption for BluRay in Linux?

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wagnerrp:

Faithful: apparently MakeMKV has some closed source implementation that works on some disks

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wagnerrp:

currently an open beta, but that portion of the code is likely to become pay only in the future

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Faithful:

So HDCP means nothing?

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wagnerrp:

bluray does not use HDCP

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Faithful:

Ok DVDs do me fine any how... so is HDTV better quality than normal DVDs?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

generally 2–3x the bitrate

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wagnerrp:

and considerably higher resolution

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[R]:

only 2.25 times higher

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hachi:

hey all, is there an alternate program from mythtv that I can use to scan for ATSC channels on an OTA card?

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wagnerrp:

you can use the official 'scan' from dvbutils

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hachi:

I'm having some pretty crappy luck with my cable company, they keep swapping the PAT indexes (don't know the terminology)

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hachi:

and then the channel tuning doesn't work... again

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hachi:

want to examine the situation :)

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hachi:

thanks

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hachi:

part of the issue for me may be that I'm still running .21, is this sort of problem handled better in .22 by chance?

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hachi:

are there docs on this problem, or anything?

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Er1K:

I saw some mention of MKV files (sorry if I'm slow)...any tips/solutions/suggestions for playing MKV files in mythvideo or mplayer reasonably? They give me all kinds of heck in both (stuttering, jittering, related), but convert them to .avi (with no change in codecs, just container) and they play as smooth as smooth could be.

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Er1K:

Running said mkv file through a shell script that the meatiest portion of which consists of >> mencoder "$IN_FILE" -oac copy -ovc copy -o "$OUT_FILE"

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Er1K:

and they play fine, fairly low cpu use (for a 'slow' box) ...seems to take around 30 seconds per half-gb, so converting them is no issue, but it would be nice if they just played smoothly to begin with :)

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Er1K:

Ditto, I seem to end up with a lot of "rmvb" files. Mythvideo will vary (sometimes for the same file at..different...moments in time) between playing them perfectly and random stuttering/sync issues, while mplayer handle them perfectly. I can't just recontainer those in less than a minute as avi like I do the mkv files.....

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Er1K:

Anybody who has experience/suggestions on what to do/set/try/experiment/measure/pray to make mythvideo play mkv and/or rmvb files nicely would be much appreciated.

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Er1K:

With how well mythvideo has suddenly gotten in .22 (THANK YOU DEVS), having to convert or use mplayer is now a big letdown :)

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Speedy1:

www.search2.net

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justinh:

rmvb files?

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justinh:

anyway the best way to guarantee your system can play files is to make them yourself

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justinh:

IMHO the majority of mkv files come from other places, which we don't condone here – and they're encoded by retards

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justinh:

anybody got a spare bullet for kulthum ? poor sap

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DixitDominus:

hi

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DixitDominus:

does mythtv support UVD2??

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justinh:

wtf is UVD2?

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justinh:

ah. no

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justinh:

that doesn't work in linux yet anyway. VDPAU is still the only way to get hardware accelerated HD decoding

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zkab:

tried to set up mythweb on my debian. according to doc 'cp -r mythplugins/mythweb/* /var/www/html/' but there is no subdir html in /var/www only an index.html file

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justinh:

where /var/www/html means the top level of where you want to copy mythweb to

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zkab:

should i mkdir /var/www/html

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justinh:

depends

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zkab:

on what

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justinh:

where you want mythweb to live

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justinh:

if you want it at the root of your web server, put it in /var/www

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justinh:

I have /var/www/mythweb

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zkab:

anywhere on my backend

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justinh:

put it wherever you want

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justinh:

you just have to make sure you change the config & interpret the installation instructions accordingly

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zkab:

i created /var/www/html and followed instructions but get 'not found' in /http://localhost/mythweb/ on my backend

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justinh:

duh

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justinh:

that's because you put everything in /var/www/html not /var/www/mythweb

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justinh:

following instructions without understanding

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zkab:

OK – i will mkdir /var/www/mythweb and go from there

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justinh:

so delete /var/www/html then

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zkab:

ok

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justinh:

or you'll have two. and FYI if your web server is open to the world you'll pretty much have to secure it QUICK

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justinh:

with .htaccess as the very minimum. unless you want random people messing with your mythtv system

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DixitDominus:

how long it'll take UVD2 to have mythtv support?

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DixitDominus:

i kinda wanna try an ATI card

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zkab:

ok – but first i try to get it working before securing it

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justinh:

DixitDominus: don't hold your breath. support has to come to linux first

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justinh:

my advice would honestly be forget all about your affiliation with ATI, get realistic & buy nvidia if you want HW accelerated playback today

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justinh:

there's literally *no* other choice

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justinh:

well possibly crystalHD but they ain't ATI either

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DixitDominus:

I have an nvidia ATM, vdpau is awesome

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justinh:

so why fuss about ATI?

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justinh:

I say forget em til they're a going concern :-)

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DixitDominus:

they are open source

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justinh:

no they ain't. they still ahve binary blobs

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justinh:

some of the ATI stuff is supported in the open source drivers, not all

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TauPan:

they have open specs, so ultimately all of it can be supported

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justinh:

open specs != working driver

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justinh:

call me back when everything just works in the open source driver, k?

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DixitDominus:

mm.. currently I have a pinnacle HDTV 800i, but is feeling somewhat old.

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DixitDominus:

which is a recent model, affordable, listed on newegg supported by mythtv?

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DixitDominus:

I want more than one tuner card on my box

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DixitDominus:

one doesn't cut it.

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justinh:

mythtv doesn't 'support' tuners as such

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justinh:

1. you need a card which works in linux & whose driver is V4L compliant

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DixitDominus:

uh?? mine works fine with mythtv

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justinh:

2. if it works in linux & is v4l compliant, it'll work in mythtv

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justinh:

so mythtv does NOT 'support' tuners per se

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DixitDominus:

alright, so any reccomendations+

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DixitDominus:

?

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justinh:

look in the linuxtv.org wiki

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DixitDominus:

also a TN panel doesn't look ideal for a TV.

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DixitDominus:

because the angle problems

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DixitDominus:

I need an extra monitor.

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justinh:

I need a break from this channel again

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zkab:

justinh: thanks – it works !!!

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zkab:

logout

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DixitDominus:

:(

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DixitDominus:

what's USA cable ATSC/ClearQAM or DVB-S??

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DixitDominus:

for digital only

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zkab:

tried to replace plugin browser with firefox – according to doc 'Simply replace /usr/bin/mythbrowser with /usr/bin/firefox in Configuration: Web Settings' ... cant find mythbrowser anywhere

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Faithful:

Anyone got a RTL2832u working?

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Faithful:

so a USB Tuners is as good as USB as long as it works?

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TauPan:

to continue: I also get very nice hardware accelerated video with the binary ati driver (fglrx) and mplayer. If I watch the same videos with mythtv, I get lots of shearing and flicker.

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stuartm:

choose another deinterlacer

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TauPan:

why doesn't mplayer require me to do this?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mplayer != mythtv

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stuartm:

TauPan: mplayer doesn't do any deinterlacing by default

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stuartm:

or at least it picks another deint

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TauPan:

also this is not the kind of "shearing" you get with interlaced content

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stuartm:

just try it ffs

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TauPan:

I'm talking about one or two "cut lines" in the middle of the picture

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TauPan:

I can't try it now.

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TauPan:

and only with mythvideo, not mythtv

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TauPan:

and there's no need to use any kind of swear words, I'd say

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Beirdo:

there's always some need for them :)

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs... I gues "FPS" would be confused with 'frames per second'... ;-) **

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mrand:

Anyone know if Mythweb works with php 5.3 ? Appears Ubuntu is considering moving to that for the 10.04. I'm guessing one desire for this is because 10.04 is a Long term support release.

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stuartm:

minor version changes in php generally don't break anything, and since Mandriva has been shipping 5.3 for a while without any reported issues you should be fine

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stuartm:

Ubuntu ain't a bleeding edge distro :)

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dashcloud:

I recently got a new system to replace my old backend, and after reading the backup & restore page on the wiki, I think I have everything I need- my most recent backup file, the config.xml, mysql.txt, and the old hostname (which will have to be changed on the new system before I can restore the backup)- did I miss anything?

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mrand:

stuartm: I assume you're mostly joking since php 5.3 has been out for 8 months, and 5.3.1 for 3 months ;-)

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stuartm:

no ...

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stuartm:

5.3.1 shipped with Mandriva 2010 (Nov)

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mrand:

wow. that was when 5.3.1 was HOT off the press.

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stuartm:

but out of beta ...

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ivor:

stuartm: it's a bleeding something though.

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stuartm:

ivor: aye ;)

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jolaren:

Is there a mythtv-lite version or smth?

[17:24:47]

jolaren:

Feels like there's alot of uneeded things their (for me)

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stuartm:

because the entire mythtv packages consumes hundreds of megabytes ...

[17:26:31]

jolaren:

Not about the space

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jolaren:

:P

[17:26:40]

jolaren:

more about the gui on the site

[17:28:02]

jolaren:

there's to much stuff

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jolaren:

everywhere

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stuartm:

only options for installed plugins are displayed and menus are entirely customisable, but without a more specific question I'm not sure if that answers anything

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jolaren:

I'll take a look

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jolaren:

Thanks

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stuartm:

and again what is displayed depends on themes

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jolaren:

Only thing I'd like is the record program thing from the web basicly

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stuartm:

then you don't need to even use the frontend ...

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jolaren:

well

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jolaren:

I do

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jolaren:

But from i.e my job

[17:30:51]

jolaren:

I'd like to be able to schedule recordings

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jolaren:

I know I can do that now, but I'd like to restrain alot of the functions available

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** stuartm isn't following so he goes to watch tv **

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Thank you very much for [23523]... We really needed that (but I figured no one would ever get motivated to go through and update all the existing "old style" checks).

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zkab:

how can i replace mythbrowser with firefox in mythtv 0.22 ?

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sphery:

zkab: same as in 0.21-fixes?

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zkab:

how was that done ?

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sphery:

zkab: there should be a setting for web browser command somewhere in the settings

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sphery:

I think it needs to be something like: firefox %s

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jolaren:

htdigest or htpassword for password protecting mythweb?

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jolaren:

Is it that much of a difference

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natanojl:

zkab: I tried that recently, think it is: firefox %URL%

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sphery:

natanojl: thanks... I don't browser on my TV, so I never set it up either way (with Internal or otherwise) :)

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sphery:

jolaren: both are equally insecure, so as long as you're using HTTPS, it doesn't matter

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jolaren:

sphery; i just want to be prompted with a login screen

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jolaren:

okay dockey thanks

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sphery:

jolaren: only real difference is that if someone gets the digest, they can't can't as easily determine the actual password, so if you used the same password for MythWeb and your online banking, it's a little more work for someone to use the value they saw to get into your banking site

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jolaren:

Okay, thanks

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jolaren:

I really don't care in that way, I just want a prompt really

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zkab:

sphery: cant find it in the setting

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sphery:

but really, you need to use HTTPS any time you send any password, so...

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jolaren:

To stop friends or smth to mess with my shows

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jolaren:

If some hacker really wants to get in and manages I'll give him an account ^^

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sphery:

zkab: just a second... Just finished compiling, so let me go find it for you

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sphery:

ok, forgot I destroyed my DB last time i was working... gotta put it back

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jolaren:

sphery; I'ma setup mythweb again now ^^

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jolaren:

I jsut wonder why there's no "mythweb lite" or something simular.. with just the record program bar

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sphery:

could probably do that with a skin/template/...

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jolaren:

i'll take a deeper look into that

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natanojl:

zkab, sphery: It's under Utilities/Setup->Setup->Info Center Settings->Web Settings

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sphery:

zkab: http://www.google.com/

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sphery:

oops, wrong paste buffer...

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sphery:

that was supposed to be what natanojl said

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natanojl:

:)

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sphery:

hmmm.... that's new

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sphery:

in Fluxbox 1.1, when you highlight something in a desktop, then switch to another desktop where you have something highlighted, it overwrites what you just put in the mouse copy/paste buffer with whatever's highlighted on the new desktop

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jolaren:

sphery; What do I have to do to make it go over https instead of the regular http?

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** sphery is just glad that he didn't have anything embarrassing highlighted **

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sphery:

jolaren: you'd need to configure Apache to use SSL/TLS

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wagnerrp:

dont worry, we already know about your granny-horse porn

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sphery:

best way to find out how is to check out the fora/wikis/... for your distro

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, but didn't want you to find out that I've been browsing the xbmc website...

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natanojl:

I don't =)

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wagnerrp:

oops

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natanojl:

sphery: I mostly use mythbrowser to read xkcd.com and the slashdot RSS. Other stuff is read on my desktop computer

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sphery:

natanojl: yeah, I find a desktop is much easier for web browsing... I don't mind that others may want to use a browser on TV, but I don't need to--as I have a desktop with a 24" monitor in my living room with my TV).

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natanojl:

same here, except mine is 22" :-)

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** natanojl time to eat **

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sphery:

Yeah... I can't watch TV without a computer to look up info. Always have to look up info on everything from actors to topics on the shows to obscure references... If I tried to do that on the TV (where I'm watching the show), it would be extremely annoying.

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streeter:

anybody using the Hauppauge HD PVR? And Fedora 12? It keeps locking up. Even cuts off the video passthrough

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, yeah, I was surprised how many places we directly accessed print_verbose_messages, but it didn't take that long to update.

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wagnerrp:

has anyone tried using mythmusic streaming recently in trunk?

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Captain_Murdoch:

probably should have made a VERBOSE_LEVEL_SET to use as well so we could use that rather than "print_verbose_messages = blah" in all the main.cpp's, but my mind was only on checking the var not setting the var.

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, based on the number of files changed, it seemed it was a lot of places.

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sphery:

that would be nice, too :)

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: so, on the font thing... attempt to load it from system-installed fonts, then only try to load from ttf file if the font we get back is not the one we asked for and XML specifies a <filename> ?

[19:34:53]

Captain_Murdoch:

note in my TODO about it.

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sphery:

:)

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Captain_Murdoch:

it == macro

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, makes sense. we shouldn't use addappfont if we don't need to. also, are there any effects from not calling the remove?

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sphery:

I don't know...

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sphery:

I wondered the same

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sphery:

as I don't have any idea why anyone would ever do the remove...

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wagnerrp:

is there any way to check for certain text in subversion checkins?

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sphery:

I suppose it would be a memory leak, but I think that's about all...

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sphery:

and only a leak if the user actually changed to a theme that didn't need that font

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sphery:

wagnerrp: you mean in the code itself?

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sphery:

if so, a local grep is probably your best bet

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sphery:

using something like wcgrep (or my much-improved version of it called svngrep :)

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wagnerrp:

i mean mythweb is set up to stream music through the XML server if it cant find the file locally

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wagnerrp:

however it gets the address for the master backend through some global '$Master_Host'

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wagnerrp:

which doesnt seem to be defined anywhere else in mythweb

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sphery:

agreed... only exists in modules/music/stream.php

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wagnerrp:

so when trying to stream, im getting some error 'readfile(http://:6544/Myth/GetMusic?Id=29)'

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wagnerrp:

its failing because of an invalid URL, because of a blank variable

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wagnerrp:

im wondering if thats the cause of #7370

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sphery:

heh, the "after release remove deprecated channel.commfree column" went in: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8014

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sphery:

wagnerrp: see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7531 (especially last comment)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: may also be related to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7561 , which seems to be a hostname/IP address issue... I don't know if kormoc was in the middle of some major changes to hostname/IP address management when the last release was made, but it seems there are a lot of related issues.

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kormoc:

wasn't in the middle of, I have no idea why it wouldnt' work with a valid setup

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sphery:

hmmm...

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sphery:

don't know what's up, then--might well be config issues

[19:50:28]

wagnerrp:

honestly, 7561 looks more like a user configuration error

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sphery:

(except for the stream.php one, which seems to be a var name change)

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wagnerrp:

now i just have to find a player than can handle http logins

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wagnerrp:

since totem seems to fail

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tjw:

so i got this ION machine as a new frontend in my bedroom

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tjw:

using vdpau

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tjw:

all videos play fine with vdpau until i suspend to ram and wake it up again

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tjw:

then if i go to livetv it works

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tjw:

but if i try to watch a mythtv, video locks up completely

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wagnerrp:

'watch a mythtv'?

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tjw:

if i watch live tv, then go to watch a recording it's fine

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tjw:

sorry a mythtv recording

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wagnerrp:

but a recording fails...

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tjw:

pretty strange

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wagnerrp:

that makes no sense.... its the same exact playback code

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tjw:

ya

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt make any difference

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tjw:

shouldn't

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tjw:

the error that mythfrontend gives is that vdpau can't be initialized

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tjw:

when it locks up

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tjw:

however, if i suspend again and go to live tv it works again

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tjw:

suspend and resume that is

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wagnerrp:

maybe try different suspend options

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wagnerrp:

http://en.opensuse.org/Suspend_to_RAM#Background

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tjw:

hmm, i wonder if it was just that livetv was in a different video mode than the recordings i was testing

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tjw:

i'll try those boot options, thanks

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wagnerrp:

resume options

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wagnerrp:

thats stuff you run after coming out of suspend, to reset the video card

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tjw:

oh i thought i had to set them at boot time, but i see i can change them in /proc while running now

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tjw:

/proc/sys/kernel/acpi_video_flags

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kormoc:

Captain Phil died :(

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wagnerrp:

dont know who that is

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GreyFoxx:

Captain of a boat on "deadliest catch"

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wagnerrp:

does the XML interface only support a single stream at a time?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: ive got some little patch for 7531, and possibly 7370

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kormoc:

snaz

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wagnerrp:

but you seem to have some script that you use that fills in a header on your files?

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wagnerrp:

no, i guess thats something subversion adds

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kormoc:

Aye, SVN does it automatically based on certain keywords

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zkab:

natanojl: where do i find 'Utilities/Setup->Setup->Info Center Settings->Web Settings' ... mythtv-setup don't have it

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wagnerrp:

zkab: the frontend

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natanojl:

zkab: it's in mythfrontend

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jeffjeffdejeff:

.

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wagnerrp:

well played good man

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zkab:

natanojl: mythfrontend 0.22 have 'Advanced/Setup/General-Screen setup Wiz-Media settings-appeance-TV settings' ... no Info Center

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jeffjeffdejeff:

hi all. having problems. running myth9.04 with a hauppage t-500. it seems that my dual tuner card will not record anything off of one of the tuners. both tuners are set to record up to 5 channels at once. i have not changed anything i'm aware of, but after scanning channels on both cards, it appears i'm unable watch recordings that have been recorded on inputs 6–10. sometimes when re-scanning for channels, the first input w

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wagnerrp:

jeffjeffdejeff: you have these hooked up to separate directional antennas?

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natanojl:

zkab: hm, have you installed mythbrowser?

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jeffjeffdejeff:

wagnerrp: no. one antenna going into "ant1" on the back of the card. always worked fine before. :s do i need an antenna going into each input then? (possibly the silliest question ever asked)

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wagnerrp:

then why did you scan on both tuners?

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zkab:

natanojl: yes

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jeffjeffdejeff:

do i only have to do it for the one tuner then? will it use the channels it finds on one scan for both tuners?

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wagnerrp:

you set up one 'source', which in your case would be 'local broadcast'

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wagnerrp:

that source contains your list of channels, and your grabber script

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wagnerrp:

then you bind that source to any tuner card you have which would be using it

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wagnerrp:

as such, you only have to scan that source once

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wagnerrp:

if you have set up two independent sources

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wagnerrp:

and are using 'record only on this channel' type rules

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wagnerrp:

it will only ever record on one of the tuners

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jeffjeffdejeff:

so my card has dvb0 and dvb1 – i just do a scan for channels on one of those?

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wagnerrp:

you add both as two independent tuners in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

create one single source

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wagnerrp:

and bind both tuner inputs to that one source

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Zathraz:

hi. On Debian Lenny using alsa and mythtv 0.22 I get regardless the config "Error opening audio device " when using mythmusic so it seems. Any pointers appreciated. I am looking for spdif out with DTS and AC3 support

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MartinJT:

anyone know if Jamu is supposed to download the Episode names?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

jamu will download any information used by mythvideo and provided by thetvdb.com

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MartinJT:

hmm... it doesn't appear to be working...

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RDV_Linux:

MartinJT: The only exception is that Jamu does not download screen images.

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MartinJT:

I get everything else, but it seems that it's not been downloading the episode names...

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wagnerrp:

MartinJT: do the videos have season and episode numbers?

[21:00:17]

MartinJT:

yeah... it gets the plot...

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wagnerrp:

you have to have imported them under 0.22 for the filename to be parsed properly

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RDV_Linux:

MartinJT: Give me and example video file name

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RDV_Linux:

s/and/an/

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zkab:

natanojl: can't find 'Info Center Settings' in mythbrowser

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wagnerrp:

zkab: its not in mythbrowser

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wagnerrp:

its in the path natanojl gave you

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wagnerrp:

in mythfrontend

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MartinJT:

the.big.bang.theory.s03e15.720p.hdtv.x264-ctu.mkv

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wagnerrp:

ooooh..

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** wagnerrp glances around for approaching hammers **

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RDV_Linux:

MartinJT: I cannot help with those kind of files.

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natanojl:

zkab: what menu theme are you using?

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MartinJT:

ok... renamed it.... the.big.bang.theory.s03e15.mkv..... still not working

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iamlindoro:

do go on

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iamlindoro:

In fact, I'm pretty sure you've been warned about such matters before

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** iamlindoro goes to check if a ban is warranted **

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zkab:

natanojl: metallurgy (Widescreen)

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MartinJT:

your probably right...

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natanojl:

zkab: ok. I'll try that

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iamlindoro:

don't let it happen again. I would cut your losses for now and seek help elsewhere. Nobody wants to help thieves in here

[21:09:13]

zkab:

natanojl: what theme are you using since you can see some menu options that i can't

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wagnerrp:

zkab: i believe that menu folder should always be there

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jeffjeffdejeff:

wagnerrp: so i add my capture card as 2 seperate capture cards, use one input source for both, but don't do a scan for channels on both?

[21:10:00]

wagnerrp:

the only reason it possibly wouldnt be is if you didnt have any info center plugins installed

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wagnerrp:

jeffjeffdejeff: correct, you can scan on any tuner card attached to that source

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wagnerrp:

but you dont need to scan more than once

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wagnerrp:

channels are stored on the source, not the input

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natanojl:

zkab: it works for me with metallurgy so I'd say the installation isn't complete

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jeffjeffdejeff:

i'll give it a go. thanks very much for your time.

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zkab:

wagnerrp: Eureka

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sphery:

zkab must be taking a bath

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zkab:

spery: yes in myt(h)tub

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sphery:

heh

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natanojl:

zkab: Do you have /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythbrowser.so or /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythbrowser.so?

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zkab:

natanojl: yes – ii have '/usr/local/lib/ mythtv/plugins/libmythbrowser.so

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natanojl:

zkab: The menu should appear in that case

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natanojl:

zkab: and the browser works?

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zkab:

natanojl: i am confused ... do you mean MythWeb or MythBrowser

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natanojl:

zkab: MythBrowser =)

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zkab:

natanojl: yes it works ... but MythBrowser gives me onlt bookmarks for WWW

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natanojl:

zkab: what menu theme are you using, DVR, classic, Default, etc?

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wagnerrp:

the setup menu should be the same regardless

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natanojl:

it seems to be a bit different between them

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natanojl:

There is no "Info Center Settings" in DVR for example

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zkab:

natanojl: I switch to UI=MythCenter (Widescreen) ... still I don't see 'Info Center'

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natanojl:

zkab: on the same page that you select the UI theme there should also be a "Menu theme" choice available, that's what I asked you about

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zkab:

natanojl: Sorry – my fault ... you were right all the time ... when I swithed to menu theme = default then Utilities/Setup came forward ... looks like a MythBug to me

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zkab:

natanojl: Information Center is also there ... GREAT

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natanojl:

zkab: which menu theme did you switch from?

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natanojl:

zkab: good =)

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zkab:

natanojl: When I go 'Utilities/Setup->Setup->General-Appearance-Screen setup Wiz-TV settings-Media settings' ... but no Information Center

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zkab:

natanojl: when I go 'Information Center -> there are: Web – System Status ... hmmm

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natanojl:

zkab: if you have mythnews installed that should also be there, at least if you have som sites configured.

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j-rod:

nb: crystalhd cards down to $55 at logicsupply, and there's a $10 off coupon you can throw on top of that to get it down to $45

[22:02:20]

j-rod:

coupon code XBMC10

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natanojl:

zkab: if you said anything between "Information Center is also there ... GREAT" and " When I go 'Utilities/Setup->Setup..." I must have missed it

[22:03:59]

natanojl:

zkab: did you switch back to another menu theme there?

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natanojl:

anyway I should get some sleep now

[22:04:34]

zkab:

natanojl: Menu theme=classic gave me at last 'Web Settings' ... thanks for your patience

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wagnerrp:

j-rod: are you hinting that they may be of use in the near future?

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zkab:

natanojl: good night

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zkab:

I will logout

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natanojl:

zkab: you're welcome. I am probably here tomorrow as well if you haven't figured it out by then

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j-rod:

wagnerrp: fsvo "near", definitely :)

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j-rod:

man. I'm actually slightly tempted by moxi.

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wagnerrp:

hopefully thats not on the geological or astronomical time scales

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wagnerrp:

:P

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j-rod:

"TBD"

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wagnerrp:

last i heard it was going to get applied to ffmpeg, and myth would basically just inherit support?

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j-rod:

that's the current modus operandi

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wseltzer:

are the python bindings in flux in current trunk? neither jamu nor the netvision scripts is working for me

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iamlindoro:

The bindings and all their reliant scripts are all in sync and operational

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iamlindoro:

if one or the other is not working, it means your install of one or the other is broken

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wseltzer:

hm, I wonder how I broke it

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wseltzer:

"

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wseltzer:

! Warning – MythTV python bindings could not be imported, error(cannot import name DBData)

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janneg:

committed ffmpeg sync to trunk, enjoy the 15% faster h264 decoder. in case of problems ping me

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RDV_Linux:

wseltzer: From that error message I do not think the python bindings are installed properly. The message is specifically about the bindings not about the script using the bindings.

[23:08:51]

wseltzer:

RDV_Linux: I'm only a python newbie — any suggestions?

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RDV_Linux:

wseltzer: I assume you installed trunk yourself. If not then the packages you are using are likely the issue.

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wseltzer:

RDV_Linux: built and installed from source

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jolaren:

Do you guys skip commercials btw?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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RDV_Linux:

wseltzer: Change to your source director ".../mythtv/mythtv/bindings/python" then type on a command line "sudo python setup.py install" See if you get an error message.

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jolaren:

wagnerrp; I'm thinkin about doin that ^^ but sometimes I like the commercials

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wseltzer:

RDV_Linux: no errors

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wagnerrp:

wseltzer: so try JAMU again

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RDV_Linux:

wseltzer: Then give the script another try.

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wagnerrp:

if not, ill pastebin a patch to get a full traceback

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wseltzer:

same result

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wagnerrp:

what revision are you running?

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RDV_Linux:

wseltzer: I will be back with something to try in a few

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sark666:

with .22 i can't seem to find where to change the font size for media library --> watch recordings.

[23:17:25]

sark666:

i see the font selection for small/med/large but which one (or other font setting) affects that?

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wagnerrp:

wseltzer: can you open 'python' in a terminal and type 'from MythTV import DBData'

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wseltzer:

wagnerrp: running trunk from this morning. In python interactive, it gives the same ImportError

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wagnerrp:

can you go into that directory RDV_Linux gave you, and list off the files contained in the MythTV folder?

[23:21:36]

sark666:

is it still by modifying the xml files to change the font there?

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iamlindoro:

sark666: You don't have any control over that in .22-- it's all themer controlled

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wseltzer:

wagnerrp: it looks right, http://pastebin.ca/1793216

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wagnerrp:

that does look right....

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sark666:

well now that i recall, i don't think you could ever modify that font through the gui

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sark666:

so where are the themes xml files stored by default?

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iamlindoro:

In your myth share dir, under the directory thmes

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iamlindoro:

where the share dir is will vary by how you installed myth/your packager/etc.

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sark666:

true. ok found it. maybe i should have asked which xml file affects where you select to watch recordings?

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RDV_Linux:

wseltzer: See this pastebin to see what bindings are installed: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1793220

[23:26:54]

RDV_Linux:

wseltzer: You need to type in the commands you see in the pastebin

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wseltzer:

RDV_Linux: Thanks, mine has fewer elements listed. An old module clogging the works?

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wagnerrp:

the new version should override the older

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RDV_Linux:

wseltzer: pastebin your results so others can look

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wseltzer:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1793225

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Looks like the old bindings to me. What do you think

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wagnerrp:

please check what files are in /usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MythTV/

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wseltzer:

aha, found an old install in /usr/lib instead of /usr/local/lib

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wseltzer:

thanks RDV_Linux and wagnerrp!

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RDV_Linux:

np

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wagnerrp:

the old install will remain

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wagnerrp:

but the new install should supersede the old

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wseltzer:

it works after a rm -rf /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MythTV

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wagnerrp:

dist-packages? not site-packages?

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wagnerrp:

i dont actually have one of those

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wagnerrp:

i think this is a case of python supporting multiple directories that it will draw on for packages

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wagnerrp:

and your distro put them in a higher priority directory than myth's installer does

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wseltzer:

I've been installing from source, but might at some point have forgotten to configure with --prefix=/usr/local

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wagnerrp:

anyway, ive got a patch in to ignore prefix all together, and let python install the bindings where it wants them

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wseltzer:

and now I know more about how python uses modules, so I can root them out if it happens again :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: this one? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/23526 (from 5 minutes ago)

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sphery:

jan neg is quick

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wagnerrp:

that would be the one...

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sphery:

so now wseltzer can just svn up and things should work?

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wagnerrp:

well its been there for almost a week, he was just waiting for after the ffmpeg sync (and subsequent configure rewrite)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: now it doesnt matter, since hes already deleted the offending files

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sphery:

ah, cool

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sphery:

s/he/she/ though, I think

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sphery:

(our eff friend)

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wagnerrp:

damn the language and it's lack of a neuter singular pronoun

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wagnerrp:

s/language/english language/

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sphery:

heh, yeah, I'm just guessing based on posts to the mailing list

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wagnerrp:

i suppose there is 'it', but thats generally more offensive than mistakenly using 'he'/'she'

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sphery:

agreed :)

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wagnerrp:

reserved for some androgynous creature named Pat

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Zathraz:

when using spdif out what does " mixer unable to find control Master 1" imply?

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