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Sunday, January 31st, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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TauPan:

hm, is nobody using rtp streams with mythtv here?

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** TauPan deletes the second rtp input **

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** TauPan wonders if he should use trunk instead of 0.22+fixes20100105–0.4 from debian-multimedia **

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sphery:

TauPan: there's a newer one for debian multimedia

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sphery:

i.e. a newer 0.22-fixes

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TauPan:

weird, I upgraded yeserday

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sphery:

TauPan: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/420500#420500

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TauPan:

yesterday even

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TauPan:

oh, in stable

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TauPan:

I only have testing and unstable in my sources list

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sphery:

well, I'll definitely agree that the older version of 0.22-fixes is less stable than the newer one :)

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TauPan:

ok, so I should try that one

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sphery:

I don't think it will help much with RTP streams, but it will fix a lot of other things :)

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TauPan:

fixing a lot of other things is good

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TauPan:

and I can still watch stuff with vlc while mythtv is recording rtp

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sphery:

even in trunk the RTP support hasn't changed really

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sphery:

(TTBOMK)

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TauPan:

k

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sphery:

FWIW (though it doesn't really change the answer), which RTP are we talking about? Like RTSP?

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TauPan:

I have no clue.

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TauPan:

I have a playlist containing entries that look like this:

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TauPan:

#EXTINF:0,101 – Das Erste

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TauPan:

rtp://239.35.129.11:10000

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sphery:

ah, yeah, then the rtsp stuff

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TauPan:

and I uploaded it to the apache installation where my master backend runs

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sphery:

and it hasn't really changed

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sphery:

it's not used much at all

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sphery:

that's part of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-time_Transport_Protocol

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TauPan:

it's very handy in germany (and probably in france, since the configuration option uses a default setting with a french server)

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sphery:

well, if you come up with some patches to improve it, we'd greatly appreciate them :)

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TauPan:

Oh, that's good to know ;)

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TauPan:

let me finish reading that wikipedia, I'll code some kick-ass rtp reader in 10 minutes

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TauPan:

+article

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TauPan:

but first, another beer

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sphery:

heh

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TauPan:

(reading rfcs is for wimps, real men implement protocols after just reading the acronym)

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dewman:

Good evening...

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sphery:

good evening

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dewman:

i have a quick question......I am currently running the latest trunk....I needed to restart my frontend/backend, and for what ever reason it starts with Pick your language screen, once i continue it says no upnp found and then goes into the frontend. Is that a new feature of the trunk releases? =0

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TauPan:

looks like you can't reach your backend

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dewman:

Hmmm.yeah I notice that the nic card isnt up when it gets into this screen, it seems to take a little bit for the nic to connect, even though its hardcoded with a static. Could be my goofy dd-wrt router

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dewman:

I do see a bunch of cant connect to mytv in my logs...

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sphery:

dewman: it means you need to set up a $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml or a mysql.txt (that can go in any of a number of places). config.xml is preferred.

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sphery:

chances are you have one, but in the "other" user's HOME

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dewman:

sphery, thats exactly what it is..... I just looked.... =)

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dewman:

ok be back, gonna try this out now.

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dewman:

ok I'm back. that didnt work, but I think the reason is because for what ever reason the config.xml is owned by www-data and not mythtv

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dewman:

actually looks like there is sym links on config.xml and mysql.txt

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jmk-mcfaul:

does it make sense to install mythtv if I don't have any tuner cards yet? all the docs I've found assume you have tuners. right now I will only be using myth for music and local video (dvds, etc), tuner will come later

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flexy:

I've never tried that, but I would think that it is ok

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jmk-mcfaul:

to be honest, I'm not sure myth is even the right way to go for me. it seems to be _very_ TV driven, rather than a generic media center

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jmk-mcfaul:

but it also seems to be the most actively developed media center (for linux)

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pyther:

Hi

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pyther:

How can I change the audio for dtv? Some channels offer English 1 and English 2

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flexy:

jolaren: my laptop crashed...

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jolaren:

flexy; oh

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pyther:

on my dtv converter box the button is labeled "SAP"

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jolaren:

flexy; I just did sudo chmod 755 /dev/dvb

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flexy:

jolaren: I doubt that there was problem with rights. I compared those to my working setup. But who knows.

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BinaryMan:

Hrm.

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BinaryMan:

That's better.

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BinaryMan:

kept trying to talk with irc spitting back that i couldn't send to channel

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BinaryMan:

who was just asking how to switch audio tracks?

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jmk-mcfaul:

BinaryMan, thanks

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BinaryMan:

jmk-mcfaul: welcome. it'll complain a little bit while installing that you have no tuner card set up, but once you get the backend set up and the frontend configured, it won't be a problem.

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jmk-mcfaul:

is there a way to make the graphical part of mythtv-setup NOT run fullscreen? I'd like to be able to read docs, etc, while running it

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jams:

jmk-mcfaul- add --geometry

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jams:

--geometry 800x600 for example

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BinaryMan:

is it possible to pull current condiditions for mythweather from a local PWS?

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BinaryMan:

instead of the nearest airport?

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jams:

pretty sure you would have to write the script to do that for you

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BinaryMan:

i don't know how.

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jams:

The data collection is all script based. Maybe someone else will come up with one to help you out.

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BinaryMan:

how do the scripts know which data to parse?

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BinaryMan:

telling where to get it from is, for the most part, easy.

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sid3windr:

that's exactly what you need the script for

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sid3windr:

this needing to be registered bs is getting pretty annoying btw

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BinaryMan:

i know that much. it's more what do you write in the script to pull specific data.

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BinaryMan:

for example, the pws I want to pull data is here

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BinaryMan:

http://home.earthlink.net/~djacques1

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BinaryMan:

obviously, the information is there. getting the information parsed is what i don't know how to do.

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sid3windr:

you can probably take a look at how it's done for another source

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BinaryMan:

or should i say, i don't know how to code.

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sid3windr:

i've never looked at it so I don't know :)

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BinaryMan:

i would imagine the formats are going to be different.

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jams:

yep and thats where you (being the author of the script) come in.

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jams:

this isn't something your going to be able to do without putting in some time and effort.

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jams:

esp if your not a coder

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jams:

BinaryMan- might be better off just setting that page a bookmark in mythbrowser

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BinaryMan:

my programming abilities are limited, and what experience i have is in Lua and C++.

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BinaryMan:

and nothing on this kind of level.

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jams:

i suggest if you really want to start, just have a look at the exisiting scripts. Pretty sure they are in perl, but I don't think they have to be in per

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jams:

l

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BinaryMan:

oh my

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BinaryMan:

i just looked at one

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BinaryMan:

where do you learn all this.

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sid3windr:

perl = worn

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sid3windr:

Write Once, Read Never

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sid3windr:

;)

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BinaryMan:

i couldn't write something like this, or even begin to understand how to write something like this in the few languages i have a grasp on.

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jams:

my philosophy on perl is "read no evil, hear no evil, write no evil, kill evil whenever possible"

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BinaryMan:

i'm more of a hardware guy, unfortunately.

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BinaryMan:

it's not like i avoid programming, but i never seem to get into it.

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BinaryMan:

and when the time comes that i really need to know how to code, it's a project that's something beyond the realm of a beginner.

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jams:

hehe happens alot

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jams:

no one is interested in "hello world"

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jmk-mcfaul:

ok, getting frustrated. --add-geometry doesn't work (a window pops up and immediately vanishes, then it moves right on to "run mythfilldatabase' as if the setup part exited normally

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jmk-mcfaul:

that I can live with – went back to full screen

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jams:

jmk-mcfaul- what version? it works here

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jmk-mcfaul:

second issue: under storage groups, it already has directories listed, and I can't see how to delete them so I can other ones in

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jams:

another approach is to change the geometry in mythfrontend

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jmk-mcfaul:

0.22, on ubuntu 9.10, installed from the ubuntu repository

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BinaryMan:

jams: oh, i'll start with hello world and play with it, but that doesn't help with my immediate problem.

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jams:

mythtv-setup --geometry 500x500 <= confirmed to work with trunk.

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iamlindoro:

it's just "-geometry"

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jmk-mcfaul:

"work" meaning you get the setup menu in a 500x500 window?

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iamlindoro:

and with mythbuntu/ubuntu, since they renamed the real executables and wrapped them in scripts (sigh...), you may need "mythtv-setup.real -geometry blahxfoo

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jams:

it's either or

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jmk-mcfaul:

woot – one small victory: --geometry works, --add-geometry doesn't

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wagnerrp:

ugh... how can you use vnc and be completely unaware of vncserver?

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jmk-mcfaul:

btw, I tried "man mythtv-setup" and "mythtv-setup --help" looking for usage hints for such things, neither works

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BinaryMan:

wagnerrp: like unaware of the program?

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BinaryMan:

hrm

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wagnerrp:

like, unaware that vncserver even exists

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wagnerrp:

they just use vnc, whatever that is supposed to me

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wagnerrp:

an

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BinaryMan:

maybe newbie ubuntu users that set up vnc through system -> remote desktop

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wagnerrp:

presuambly, theyve only used realvnc4, being hooked into their existing X session automatically by ubuntu

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BinaryMan:

which is absolutely horrible because that uses vino-server and has the habit eating cpu resources at random.

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jmk-mcfaul:

having things "just work" is really nice, until they don't, and then you have no clue what is really going on under the hood

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BinaryMan:

yup

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BinaryMan:

pretty much

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BinaryMan:

is why i'll never understand the whole "i'll give you $10 if you do my homework for me" strategy.

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jmk-mcfaul:

does anybody know if the command line options for mythtv-setup are documented anywhere? If the info exists, I think I can volunteer to write up a man page that lists them

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jams:

mythtv-setup --help is a good summary

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jmk-mcfaul:

already tried that, doesn't print anything usefull

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jmk-mcfaul:

mythtv-setup --help --> http://pastebin.ca/1772681

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wagnerrp:

it prints a lot useful... what more are you looking for

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jmk-mcfaul:

see the pastebin – dunno what it prints for you, but that's what I get

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iamlindoro:

"<iamlindoro> and with mythbuntu/ubuntu, since they renamed the real executables and wrapped them in scripts (sigh...), you may need "mythtv-setup.real -geometry blahxfoo"

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wagnerrp:

jmk-mcfaul: what iamlindoro said

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jmk-mcfaul:

gotcha

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iamlindoro:

twice, even ;)

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jolaren:

flexy; Lad, you there? Great sucess!

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jmk-mcfaul:

ah – the script creates another xterm to run the real thing in – that must be the window that pops up and then vanishes, I'm sure the help was there, I just didn't read it fast enough ;-)

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jmk-mcfaul:

the script does pass thru args, so I didn't need to invoke .real to make --geometry work

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jolaren:

how is it that i redirect mythtv to annother screen? or where is thebinary located? the setup file is located here : /usr/bin/mythtv-setup

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jolaren:

but where is the mythtv located

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jams:

jolaren- is mythfrontend what your looking for?

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jolaren:

how to launch it from terminal

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jams:

try typing mythfrontend and see what happens, hopefully it's in your path

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jolaren:

will do

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jolaren:

just rebooted the serve

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jolaren:

jams; ssh -X user@adress /usr/bin/mythtvfrontend

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jolaren:

bash: /usr/bin/mythtvfrontend: No such file or directory

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jams:

mythfrontend

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jams:

really though running mythfrontend over ssh is not a good idea. sure it will work for some things, but doubtful video will play

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wagnerrp:

it should work for most things, including anything but audio or HD video

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jolaren:

wagnerrp; audio should work with alsa redirections? from what i've read but i might be misslead

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wagnerrp:

you *can* get sound working with some form of sound server

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wagnerrp:

but its not simple or automated

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jolaren:

yer

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jolaren:

2010-01–31 04:02:24.773 [mpeg2video @ 0

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jolaren:

X Error: BadShmSeg (invalid shared segm

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jolaren:

Extension: 132 (Uknown extension)

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jolaren:

Minor opcode: 19 (Unknown request)

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jolaren:

Resource id: 0x620002a

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jolaren:

2010-01–31 04:02:24.780 [mpeg2video @ 0

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jolaren:

oh sorry for the massive spam

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jolaren:

I'm not getting the picture

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jolaren:

;/

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wagnerrp:

well i said SD video *should* work

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wagnerrp:

i didnt say anyone in their right mind should actually try it

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sphery:

jolaren: that's likely because you're using ssh -X instead of ssh -Y

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sphery:

not that the picture would be very usable at all if you got it

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wagnerrp:

honestly... i cant recommend anyone use 'ssh -X/Y' for any reason

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wagnerrp:

if youre going to be running remote X frequently

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wagnerrp:

set your X server to allow remote clients

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wagnerrp:

and either use xhost, or properly hand out your MIT keys

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jolaren:

it complained about root this time, need to set the correct rights but i dont know for what

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jolaren:

is there someway to take the pressure of the server and load the information from i.e my cmoputer?

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wagnerrp:

you just have a good deal of overhead running through X because of the encryption

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sphery:

jolaren: you might also need to do: NO_XV=1 mythfrontend

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sphery:

and, really, the best way is to run mythfrontend on the machine with the display

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wagnerrp:

that command only works if youre using bash

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jolaren:

Could anyone give me hint on what files that are needed to run root?

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jolaren:

for the livetv

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wagnerrp:

root?

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jolaren:

err code: 10 (BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied))

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sphery:

jolaren: that's definitely because you're using ssh -X, not ssh -Y

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jolaren:

sphery; That was from -Y

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sphery:

oh, ok, then it's becaues you're not doing NO_XV=1 ?

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jolaren:

ssh -Y NO_XV=1 user@adress /usr/bin/mythfrontend ?

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sphery:

the NO_XV=1 has to go to mythfrontend, not to ssh

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sphery:

ssh -Y user@address

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sphery:

then when there, type in: export NO_XV=1; mythfrontend

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sphery:

(assuming bash or similar)

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sphery:

if that works, then script it or something

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sphery:

or keep working with the ssh command line to work it in there

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jolaren:

sphery; no success

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sphery:

then I'd have to recommend you run mythfrontend on the local machine

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sphery:

X forwarding won't be worthwhile even if you make it work

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jolaren:

is it possible to run the mythtv client locally and stream the data from the server to it? To release pressure from seerver

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wagnerrp:

that is one of the basic design premises to mythtv

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jolaren:

then why run it through x? i only do that cuz the tvcard / reader is in that box

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wagnerrp:

are you wanting to run the frontend to do some management tasks?

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wagnerrp:

or are you wanting to do so to play video and use it in general?

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wagnerrp:

if the former, it may be advantageous to run it over remote X on a machine with a keyboard

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wagnerrp:

if the latter, just run the client on whatever machine youre currently using

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jolaren:

I'm not following you.. I want to view it from my regular pc, i have the card in the server

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wagnerrp:

so you run the backend on the server

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jolaren:

how would i do that except for using ssh x

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wagnerrp:

you run the frontend where ever you please

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jolaren:

oh ok

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wagnerrp:

the only reason you *might* want to run mythfrontend remotely is if you want to do management tasks on a machine with a keyboard

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sphery:

the only video capture card that has any relevance to a frontend is the PVR-350 and only if you use the "party like it's 1999" TV out on the PVR-350 (which you shouldn't use)

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jolaren:

gonna try that now

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jolaren:

downloading the frontend atm

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jolaren:

how do I make the frontend read of my server?

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wagnerrp:

you make sure your backend has been given a routable IP to use

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wagnerrp:

and thats it

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jolaren:

oh, the backend needs my ip?

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wagnerrp:

in mythtv-setup

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jolaren:

right

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wagnerrp:

change it to a routable IP, rather than 127.0.0.1, and restart the backend

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sphery:

the frontend needs to know the backend's IP

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sphery:

so it has to be like wagnerrp says :)

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jolaren:

atm it's set to the servers ip

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jolaren:

brb need restart

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wagnerrp:

seems ive broken mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

hammering it with metadata update requests from mythvideo rapid fire

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wagnerrp:

its gotten hosed up

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jolaren:

could not find "translation?" in the network

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jolaren:

What was it that I needed to change?

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jolaren:

I've read about this

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jolaren:

wagnerrp; Do you know what I'm meaning? I got mythtv on Swedish and some words are hard to translate

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wagnerrp:

there are two 'IP address' settings

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wagnerrp:

they both need to be set to the backend IP

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** sphery can't figure out why the channel name is resolving to * in his irssi autolog_path for freenode channels since the ircd upgrade **

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sphery:

(annoyingly it causes all my channel logs to commingle into a single log called *-20100130.log :( )

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jolaren:

wagnerrp; your refering to the hostname? I can only find one place to add an ip in the frontend

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sphery:

jolaren: it's in mythtv-setup

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sphery:

for the backend machine

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wagnerrp:

there is no place to add a hostname in mythtv-setup

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jolaren:

how was it

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jolaren:

ssh -x user@user /usr/bin/mythtv-setup

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jolaren:

or?

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levander:

My Wifi driver keeps crashing so I need to write a script that reboot my Myth box occasionally. Is there a command I can run to tell if Myth is currently recording?

[04:01:52]

levander:

And ideally, it would also tell me how long till it's not recording.

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sphery:

levander: mythwelcome/mythshutdown

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wagnerrp:

both the perl and python bindings provide such information

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sphery:

just have it shut down when not in use

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jolaren:

got it workin

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wagnerrp:

and the proper solution is to buy a wired network card

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sphery:

+1

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sphery:

wired ftw

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levander:

Great, the stupid Wifi drive is down now, so I can't try it on that box...

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wagnerrp:

a bit of copper would solve all your problems

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jolaren:

wagnerrp; Now I'm in the setup on the server.. where do I add the viewer? I can only find the local server ip

[04:04:43]

jolaren:

I should have chosen an English Gui

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jolaren:

Never thought it would be this complicated

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wagnerrp:

there are two IPs, the local server IP, and the master server IP

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wagnerrp:

if you have one server (backend), set them both to be the same, set them both to be the IP of the server

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jolaren:

wagnerrp; that has been done from the beginning

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wagnerrp:

so then start up a frontend on your remote machine, and youre done

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levander:

sphery: Thanks, mythshutdown I'm thinking is what I need. Still looking at it.

[04:06:29]

jolaren:

wagnerrp; but when I start the frontend on this computer it says that the ip is out of the network

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what that means

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jolaren:

When I open frontend on this computer

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jolaren:

the first thing I see is the localdatabase bla bla bla

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sphery:

hope the irssi upgrade fixes the logging permanently (worked this time, but it worked 1 out of 5 times with the old one)

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jolaren:

It says "myth could not connect to the database"

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wagnerrp:

you do have to tell it where the database is

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wagnerrp:

and similarly, your database must be set up to allow remote connections

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wagnerrp:

and you have to grant database access to the remote machine

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sphery:

and grant permissions to a mysql user coming from the frontend host

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sphery:

too slow, again!

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jolaren:

that has all been done

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jolaren:

only thing I can think of is that the database name is incorrect

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jolaren:

but I can't find out what I named it to

[04:11:13]

jolaren:

Got any idea on how to check that out?

[04:11:18]

jolaren:

It is not listed in the myth-setup

[04:13:29]

jolaren:

I can't find any line to get what I named it

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wagnerrp:

log into your server, copy ~/.mythtv/config.xml to the respective location on the remote frontend

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jolaren:

file is empty

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wagnerrp:

file cant be empty

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wagnerrp:

check the user that runs the backend

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jolaren:

okay

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wagnerrp:

there it goes again

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wagnerrp:

hammer the backend with file transfer instances, and it siezes up

[04:20:12]

wagnerrp:

the backend continues to run, but it will no longer accept any connections

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wagnerrp:

and all existing connections start complaining about timing out

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jmk-mcfaul:

trying to get mythmusic working. I don't have any way to test mythtv itself, since I have no tuners. When I try to play something in mythmusic, I get a segfault

[04:25:12]

jmk-mcfaul:

2010-01–30 23:23:10.313 Opening ALSA audio device 'default'.

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jmk-mcfaul:

2010-01–30 23:23:10.525 Mixer unable to find control Master

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jmk-mcfaul:

2010-01–30 23:23:10.525 Mixer unable to find control Master

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jmk-mcfaul:

Segmentation fault

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jmk-mcfaul:

any suggestions for debugging sound probs?

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jolaren:

wagnerrp; It works! But lags like hell on my netbook (lg x110) probarly not that weird ;P there's fussy parts over the image aswell

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wagnerrp:

it probably lags because of the lack of power for decoding

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jolaren:

on the frontend or the backend?

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sphery:

/usr/bin/mysql -BNe "UPDATE recorded SET hostname = '' WHERE basename = '${FILE}'"

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sphery:

and users wonder why we discourage direct DB editing

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wagnerrp:

i really have no idea what would happen if you set a blank hostname

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jolaren:

I will try to use it from a more powerful computer, my stationary

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sphery:

apparently, it works in the limited circumstances the user who suggested it tried--and the similar circumstance the user to whom it was recommended has

[04:30:45]

sphery:

but, if it stops working...

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sphery:

guess then it becomes our problem

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sphery:

now I actually have to consider this when doing the frontend/backend code to replace the myth.corruptdatabase.pl and myth_make_orphans.pl scripts

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jolaren:

Just wanted to give big thanks to wagnerrp and everyone who've helped me the pass few days

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jolaren:

wagnerrp; btw, should I uninstall the frontend on my server?

[04:37:01]

jmk-mcfaul:

trying to troubleshoot a sound problem, and I can't seem to find the frontend log. /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log exists, but no frontend log in that dir (or anywhere else that I can find)

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sphery:

jolaren: no, there's no reason not to have either the frontend or backend installed on all your myth machines

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sphery:

It's a total of a few megabytes of additional HDD space

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jolaren:

yer

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jolaren:

but I guess the frontend installed gdm, that was something I didnt like

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sphery:

and it can be very nice to have both on each host

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jolaren:

I really dont want gdm to run on my server

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jolaren:

Can I remove gdm without screwin up to be able to view from another location?

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sphery:

jolaren: I don't know about that. You'd have to check with someone who knows your distro/package manager

[04:43:07]

jolaren:

regular ubuntu server

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jolaren:

okay

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sphery:

in theory, though, you can just tell your server not to start gdm

[04:43:26]

sphery:

probably as simple as changing default runlevel from 5 to 3

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sphery:

^^^ spoken by a guy who knows absolutely nothing about how your distro works

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jolaren:

hehe yer I guess sphery

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jolaren:

gdm is needed during the installation but I can't beat myself to remove it

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jolaren:

cuz you know what they say

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jolaren:

why change a winning concept

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sphery:

yeah, not really a big deal to have it installed

[04:45:25]

sphery:

but, like you said, it doesn't make a lot of sense to run it on a server

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sphery:

so I vote just don't run it

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jmk-mcfaul:

anybody here know anything about troubleshooting sound issues? installing myth seems to have broken ALL sound on my PC

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wagnerrp:

are you using ubuntu?

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jmk-mcfaul:

ubuntu 9.10, alsa 1.0.20

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wagnerrp:

and pulse version?

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jmk-mcfaul:

dunno, how do you check pulse version?

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wagnerrp:

dunno, dont use it

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wagnerrp:

but if youre running ubuntu, youre running pulse

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wagnerrp:

pulse emulates alsa... poorly

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wagnerrp:

so when myth tries to use alsa through pulse

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jmk-mcfaul:

pulse is listed as one of many PCMs by aplay

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wagnerrp:

it causes all sorts of A/V sync issues

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wagnerrp:

so... myth disables pulse when it starts the frontend

[05:00:30]

wagnerrp:

so it can access alsa directly

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jmk-mcfaul:

yeah, I read bad things about pulse here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digital_Sound

[05:00:55]

jmk-mcfaul:

ah, so it probably isn't getting re-enabled

[05:01:05]

jmk-mcfaul:

especially since the front end is exiting with a segfault

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wagnerrp:

it should be

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wagnerrp:

in that case... possibly not

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sphery:

if it's re-enabled, then Myth sound won't work

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sphery:

so if you use Pulse, you can either have sound in Myth or in other apps

[05:01:24]

sphery:

not both

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jmk-mcfaul:

Myth sound has never worked

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jmk-mcfaul:

let me try entering frontend and then exiting normally, to see if normal sound (non myth) comes back

[05:03:00]

jmk-mcfaul:

ok, that works – on exit, myth turned pulse back on

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sphery:

yeah, it should put it back in the state it found it

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simcop2387-lap:

is there any way to have mythvideo's automatically update the database of videos in the background? (i don't care if its cron, or anything)

[05:04:06]

wagnerrp:

simcop2387-lap: see JAMU

[05:04:11]

simcop2387-lap:

jamu?

[05:04:14]

wagnerrp:

jamu

[05:04:18]

simcop2387-lap:

googling

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wagnerrp:

google away

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jmk-mcfaul:

I think I need to specify the proper (non-pulse) PCM device for myth to use

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simcop2387-lap:

unless you've got a better link right away that is :)

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wagnerrp:

jmk-mcfaul: no, if pulse is active, all access to ALSA is forced through pulse

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wagnerrp:

the only way to access alsa directly is to disable pulse

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wagnerrp:

at which point you just set up mythtv as you would normally with alsa

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jmk-mcfaul:

but I thought you said myth does exactly that?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

so just tell mythtv to use 'alsa:default' and you should be done

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simcop2387-lap:

certainly looks like what i'm after i'll have to get it going

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jmk-mcfaul:

trying that (but I think that's what I did the first time)

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jmk-mcfaul:

hmm, working now

[05:08:32]

jmk-mcfaul:

still get the same messages from myth:

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jmk-mcfaul:

2010-01–31 00:07:42.359 Opening audio device 'default'. ch 2(2) sr 44100

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jmk-mcfaul:

2010-01–31 00:07:42.359 Opening ALSA audio device 'default'.

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jmk-mcfaul:

2010-01–31 00:07:42.551 Mixer unable to find control Master

[05:08:42]

jmk-mcfaul:

2010-01–31 00:07:42.551 Mixer unable to find control Maste

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jmk-mcfaul:

but no segfault this time

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jmk-mcfaul:

something still isn't right with the mixer part I think

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simcop2387-lap:

wagnerrp: thanks i'll play with that later this coming week

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wagnerrp:

mixer only matters if you have to change the volume

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jmk-mcfaul:

so that comes down to whether I want to use a remote for volume – if I just use the knob on the power amp all is well, if I want to use the remote then it is more complex

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sphery:

s/mixer only matters/Master only matters/

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sphery:

the Master missing message is because Myth's audio code makes the assumption that all PC sound cards have a PCM and a Master control--which held true until the abomination that's Intel HDA

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sphery:

so, now our code is out of date and we give a meaningless warning when we don't find one of them

[05:12:15]

sphery:

but you /must/ have a valid mixer specified or audio won't work. If you set mixer to ALSA:default, you'll be good

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jmk-mcfaul:

00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) <-- you mean this abomination? :-/

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sphery:

even though you'll get the errors

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sphery:

yep, that abomination

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sphery:

not specifically ATI's version of it, but the whole specification

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jolaren:

Can't find the config.xml file in windows for mythtv-

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jolaren:

Anyone know where that file is located?

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jmk-mcfaul:

01:00.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation Device 0be2 (rev a1) <-- I also have this abomination, which from what I read can't properly send sound out the HDMI port

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jmk-mcfaul:

(GT-220 graphics card)

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sphery:

jmk-mcfaul: on the bright side, Intel's next spec will do things right. So, USB 3.0 finally gets things right. Intel's follow-on to Intel HDA finally gets things right.

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sphery:

they just needed some practice

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jmk-mcfaul:

heh

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sphery:

(strange part, though, is that Intel AC'97, which preceded Intel HDA, was better than HDA...)

[05:16:23]

jmk-mcfaul:

that isn't strange at all, happens all the time

[05:16:27]

** wagnerrp will continue to consider them all pathetically awful until they get some electronic isolation **

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sphery:

The Azalia sound card itself won't be an issue. I'm speaking more in philosophical terms than anything.

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jmk-mcfaul:

as in opto-couplers, etc?

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sphery:

It should do what you want for Myth.

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wagnerrp:

no, as in i dont hear my drives spin up, or my windows get dragged across the screen through my headphones

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jmk-mcfaul:

now I just need to figure out how to import my sound collection

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wagnerrp:

ive never seen an onboard sound chip that wasnt very noisy

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wagnerrp:

granted, that matters less and less with audio going digital

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jmk-mcfaul:

I have a dir tree of .ogg files stored in one place, and want myth to store music in another place: /mnt/drive2/mythtv/music

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jolaren:

oh now I get why it doesnt work :P

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jolaren:

other version in the windows client

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jmk-mcfaul:

analog (esp audio) and digital don't mix

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jolaren:

Running ubuntu from a live-cd now to test from there

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ripperda:

mythweb runs on the backend, right? when I edit keybindings, are those set in the database? will they affect all frontends?

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jolaren:

can't remember if I have to reboot after frontend installation

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jmk-mcfaul:

time to call it a night – thanks for the help

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sphery:

ripperda: MythWeb can run on any host with a (compatible) web server

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Gumby:

hi all, when using mythtv with satellite and using 3lnb's does each lnb/satellite have to have its own unique source defined?

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ripperda:

sphery, I guess what I'm wondering is whether keybindings are per frontend (and need to be configured on each frontend), or if they're shared via a backend

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ripperda:

~/backend/database/

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sphery:

ripperda: key bindings are host-specific, so you'll need to edit them for all hosts. You should /really/ use MythControls (Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys in the frontend) to edit key bindings because it checks for conflicts. MythWeb's keybinding editor lets you put in anything--and destroy your keybindings

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ripperda:

sphery, ok, I'll focus on that then

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ripperda:

thanks for the help

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sphery:

i.e. you can set up the same key to be used for different actions in the same context, which will then cause "irregular" results

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ripperda:

got it

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sphery:

such as the pause button also exiting playback or ...

[05:43:41]

ripperda:

I do have a related question; I have one of those gyration remotes

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sphery:

jolaren: depending on how it got installed/what's installed, you may not need to, but a 60-second reboot shouldn't hurt--and can be a lot quicker than minutes/hours/days of trying to figure out why things aren't working right :)

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ripperda:

it has some funny keys, things like XF86AudioRewind, SunProps, etc

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sphery:

Gumby: I /think/ so, but I'm not sure... Best info I can give is http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S

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ripperda:

I've tried binding some of the keys within mythtv, but mythtv doesn't seem to get the key strokes

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Gumby:

sphery: cool thanks. I will have a look. From my tests it is true, which makes it kind of hard to use SD (the EIT data isnt always pulled down for some reason) since SD only allows 3 lineups and I already have my cable as 1.

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ripperda:

I've used 'xev' to identify the keys coming in, but having trouble binding them within mythtv

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ripperda:

I don't recall the details beyond that (which obviously isn't helpful). I'll play around with things after my wife goes to bed shortly and ask more specific questions then

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jolaren:

sphery; I think it has to do with versions

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jolaren:

sphery; but I'm installing linux as a dualboot now

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jolaren:

just to check it out

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jolaren:

cuz if everything works I'm moving the server to it's final destination tomorrow

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sphery:

Gumby: if you can get a "unified" lineup at SD, you can then share that one lineup with multiple video sources in Myth

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Gumby:

sphery: ok. something else I need to look into to fully understand. hehe. thanks for your input

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sphery:

Gumby: though if you're using SD, are you using DISH or DirecTV? If so, your STB should take care of everything for you, right?

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sphery:

ripperda: Myth only supports some keyboard keys (based on what Qt supports)

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Gumby:

sphery: not exactly, but I wont go into more than that.

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autojack:

I recently upgraded to 0.22, and now mythvideo seems to be showing a very old list of video files on my system, instead of the current stuff. it used to scan the videos directory automatically when I opened it. it doesn't seem to do that anymore, and I can't find any option to enable/disable that OR to manually scan the videos dir. what am I missing?

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ripperda:

sphery, ah ok, so I should research qt keybindings then?

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autojack:

I'm referring to local AVI type videos, not stuff recorded off the TV.

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sphery:

autojack: M

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autojack:

aha, yeah I _just_ found that.

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sphery:

autojack: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide

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** autojack reads **

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autojack:

sorry, I had tried a few searches and didn't get what I was looking for.

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autojack:

but now I have to manually scan for videos each time? that's a bit annoying.

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sphery:

autojack: well, how often do you buy DVD's? Shouldn'

[05:53:51]

sphery:

t be that much effort

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autojack:

it's not for DVDs. I download all my TV off torrents.

[05:54:10]

autojack:

so new stuff is showing up all the time.

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sphery:

autojack: please don't talk about that here

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sphery:

in a publically-archived channel

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autojack:

oh. it's all broadcast stuff.

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wagnerrp:

autojack: it never scanned directories automatically

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sphery:

we don't condone copyright theft

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wagnerrp:

it used to scan when you entered the video manager

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wagnerrp:

however that does not exist any longer

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autojack:

wagnerrp: yes. that's what I'm referring to.

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jolaren:

After installing Ubuntu from live-cd I get "GRUB LOADING. error: unknown filesystem grub recue >

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jolaren:

Great

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autojack:

ok so basically I have to press M every time I want it to update. oh well.

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sphery:

jolaren: take out the CD?

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autojack:

thanks :)

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jolaren:

sphery; already did

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sphery:

which is actually easier than going into Video Manager, waiting for it to update, then exiting Video Manager, then going into MythVideo

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wagnerrp:

autojack: its hoped that will change by 0.24

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sphery:

jolaren: ah, ok, just a guess... I'll leave you to someone who knows *buntu better, then

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jolaren:

lol i figured it out

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jolaren:

it almost gave me an heartattack

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jolaren:

I'm a pretty experienced linux-user – don't get me wrong.. but grub errors are the worse kind

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sphery:

what wsa it?

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jolaren:

I mixed with the bootorder so my external hdd came 1 step up.. and I used to have a minimal debian installation there but I removed it (still grub part is impossible to remove almost) and it booted from it

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sphery:

heh, I see

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sphery:

glad you got it fixed

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jolaren:

The picture is wacked even on my stationary htpc sphery

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jolaren:

What could be wrong?

[06:43:47]

jolaren:

Perhaps an old graphic card?

[06:45:42]

jolaren:

Or anyone have a clue?

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wagnerrp:

ATI card?

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jolaren:

dno.. some old card

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jolaren:

I have annother one laying around

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jolaren:

taht I could put into it

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jolaren:

it looks like shit and there's like bars all over the screen

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jolaren:

and it lags

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jolaren:

I'm guessing this is caused by the backend

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jolaren:

I'm running a recently installed ion asrock 330 system

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jolaren:

with vdpau

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jolaren:

wagnerrp; Even If I skip back in time the pictures just equally bad

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sphery:

playback profile, Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen

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jolaren:

backend or frontend

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sphery:

you're probably using CPU+ and you shouldn't. Either Slim or, if you want VDPAU, then one of the VDPAU ones (I'd guess VDPAU Slim)

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sphery:

mythfrontend

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sphery:

that's my best guess... good luck--bed time for me.

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jolaren:

is the graphiccard used even from the backend?

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sphery:

I'm guessing it's playback problem (so frontend), not a recording problem (which would be backend)

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sphery:

play the recording in some othe video player (mplayer, xine, Windows Media Player, ...) to verify that the recording/backend is good

[06:54:14]

sphery:

If it's not, then it's your recording profile (assuming you're using a cheap framegrabber card

[06:54:46]

sphery:

well, it's your recording profile + the fact that analog standard definition TV is a 60-year old technology and is garbage quality :)

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jolaren:

changed to vdpau now

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jolaren:

you were right, it was set to processor

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sphery:

it was CPU+

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jolaren:

I'm guessing I need to reconfigure my drivers for nvidia

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sphery:

ah, translations...

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sphery:

nvm...

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sphery:

anyway, good luck

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jolaren:

yer cpu

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jolaren:

same-o

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jolaren:

rebooting now

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jolaren:

I'm so thrilled to see if this works

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jolaren:

if it works it's gods gift to mankind

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jolaren:

honestly

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jolaren:

should be possible to share this via wlan, right?

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jolaren:

perfect for my country house

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jolaren:

hmm sphery

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jolaren:

now it looks like the war of the ants on the tv

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jolaren:

but iwth green and black and in the top it looks semi good

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wagnerrp:

my sister works at a restaurant in a casino

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wagnerrp:

apparently they were swamped, and understaffed

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wagnerrp:

so the customers started making side bets on who would get their food first

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jolaren:

hehe

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jolaren:

hmm rly strange abuot my picture

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jolaren:

i've installed the mythubuntu automatical installer

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jolaren:

but the controlcenter doesnt pop up

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jolaren:

oh

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jolaren:

their ppa is down

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jolaren:

how convienient

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jolaren:

sphery; when I choosed small thiyght it's watchable but it's not perfect

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jolaren:

i'm still so gazed over this

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jolaren:

truly amazing

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BinaryMan:

is there a reason deleting mythmusic playlists crashes the frontend

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jolaren:

strange

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jolaren:

Whenever trying to install i.e mplayer in ubuntu it removed myth-frontend etc.. how do resolve this? The screen is all green without vdpau

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noaXess_kubuntu:

hi all

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noaXess_kubuntu:

need i sudo permissions to run mythtv-setup?

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noaXess_kubuntu:

i can wath live tv, but can't scan channels on my dvb-c if i open mythtv-setup in usermode

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noaXess_kubuntu:

watch ^

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noaXess_kubuntu:

or need i just be in group mythtv?

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BinaryMan:

if i manually changed the directory structure for my movies, will know that the files are the same, but the location has been changed slightly, or will i have to manually change the path on each video?

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BinaryMan:

erm, will mythtv know that

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TauPan:

Hi

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TauPan:

I'm just standing on the edge of writing a small python script to schedule mythtv recordings from an external program. I've searched the web for something like this, but it doesn't seem somebody has posted a result somewhere, even though it seems a very simple task.

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TauPan:

(the problem is, that I have a program with very extensive epg data (tvbrowser) which can't be exported (due to licensing problems), so I want to be able to schedule recordings from that program, instead of myth's program browser)

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Jonny0stars:

Hello

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Jonny0stars:

Just a quick question – Whats the best way to export a recording from mythtv using the cutlist without "transcoding"

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Jonny0stars:

Or rather transcoding to another format/bitrat

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TauPan:

hmpf, it seems the python api doesn't *have* a method for scheduling recordings :-\

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TauPan:

can anyone point me at documentation for backend commands?

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sid3windr:

wiki+sourcecode ;/

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sid3windr:

but I wonder if scheduling isnt done by going into the mysql db, adding something, then having the backend do a reschedule

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TauPan:

I've looked over the wiki and couldn't find anything, looks like I have RTFS

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TauPan:

+to

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sid3windr:

couldnt find anything.. for that command? or any command? because there is a command list (outdated methinks) with a few pointers.. :)

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** TauPan does git svn clone -s http://svn.mythtv.org/svn mythtv and starts to read some news **

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TauPan:

I failed to find the backend command list on the wiki

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sid3windr:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_Protocol/Commands

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sid3windr:

not really hard.. :P

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TauPan:

lack of coffee maybe

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TauPan:

ah, but I found the database schema at least

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TauPan:

hm, this looks like a little more trouble (i.e. learning curve) than I thought... I expected that the api bindings would provide a command to schedule recordings.

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sid3windr:

I actually think what you want to do isn't possible

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sid3windr:

just setting start and end time/date?

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sid3windr:

backend needs to know what program that is..

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sid3windr:

or do you also have epg in myth

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TauPan:

no, the parameters would be: channel, starttime, endtime, title, subtitle

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sid3windr:

that would mean you have to fill the myth epg first with that info me thinks

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sid3windr:

then just tell it to record that program

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TauPan:

mythtv lacks program information for some channels, but I can still schedule recordings e.g. from mythweb like that

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sid3windr:

but I'm by no means an expert :)

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sid3windr:

oh

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sid3windr:

ok :)

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TauPan:

so I know for a fact that it is possible

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sid3windr:

excellent

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TauPan:

I could be supremely lazy and just use mythweb.

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sid3windr:

best take a peek in mythweb to see how it s done I guess

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TauPan:

hm, you have a very sharp point here, mister ;)

[13:27:19]

** lyricnz idly wonders why his nuvexport is coming up with "disabled" on all output types. Hmm.... **

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TauPan:

ah, it's in modules/tv/schedules_manual.php

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Zdeno:

hi guys

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Zdeno:

great registration worked...

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Zdeno:

can any1 help me with problem iptv and recording?

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Zdeno:

dont have problem with space on hdd but with cpu load

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Zdeno:

1 core is used by mythfrontend over 100% and second using X about 20%

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Zdeno:

can i disable recording for iptv ? i read wiki etc.. but there is info u cant disable it

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Zdeno:

using msi media live barebone with 2.6.31-gentoo-r6 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

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TauPan:

sid3windr: as you thought, the php code directly does REPLACE the new schedule INTO the db

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TauPan:

and then tells the backend to reschedule..

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TauPan:

(tv/classes/Schedule.php::function save)

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Zdeno:

my second problem is with playing movies from hdd... mythtv dont see any movies in the folder, dont see any probs in console and rights to the directory are correct

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TauPan:

Zdeno: are you sure the permissions are correct?

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TauPan:

Zdeno: if you want to disable recording for iptv you can simply delete the tuner card

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Zdeno:

TauPan: problem with directories solved.. there is magic key "M" when u can refresh content

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Zdeno:

TauPan: ehm so i just import the m3u list.. then will set up the channels and will delete the network tuner?

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TauPan:

if you delete the network "tuner" you won't be able to "watch" iptv any more, of course... there's no way of "just watching" stuff in mythtv... everything gets recorded

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TauPan:

does it work with vlc?

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Zdeno:

what do you think work with vlc? probably problem is the encoding and saving data to hdd to much using the cpu... ofc when i use mplayer/vlc without mythtv everything is fine...

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Zdeno:

with mythtv got every 1 sec message in console and problem with sound and picture

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TauPan:

I'm sorry, I can't help you.

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Zdeno:

So there isnt chance to set up timeshifting for iptv right? :(

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TauPan:

it works for me

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Zdeno:

problem is probably with performance coz i get uncompressed stream from network and only cpu can do sth with that... if i had tv card every those isues will be solved ...

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Zdeno:

whats you cpu/linux distribution?

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TauPan:

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+

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TauPan:

(single core)

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TauPan:

debian testing/unstable with mythtv from debian-multimedia

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TauPan:

ext3 filesystem, and I don't reencode the iptv stream

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TauPan:

I doubt you get an uncompressed stream, btw. that would be a *lot* of data

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Zdeno:

maybe there is problem with the stream :( coz as i sayd everything is fine when the stream isnt stored to hdd... btw 15min is about 500MB

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Zdeno:

im using ext3 for system and xfs for data

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MTughan:

Is there a way I can add a button through lircd to change the playback fill? I see W can do it on a keyboard, but can lircd pass that through?

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Zdeno:

well my problem is solved... 4400+ got low power...

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Zdeno:

everything is ok with non hd channels...

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jolaren:

Mine is far from it, I can't install mythfrontend without nvidia drivers uninstalling it

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dewman:

good morning everyone...

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dewman:

at least good morning in north america. =)

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dewman:

I am a little perplexed at mysql.txt I am trying to figure out why there is three entries for dbhostname.

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dewman:

Are all 3 required?

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dewman:

the other thing that I found is that there is 4 of these files, /home/myhome /home/mythtv /etc/mythtv and /usr/share/mythtv

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jolaren:

Only me with a nviida card that cant use mythtv?

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dewman:

I think I really whacked out a few things now. My encoder shows the following Encoder 3 is remote on dell (currently not connected).

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verb3k:

What format does MythTV record video to? does it rip MPEG-2 to disk as is or does it encode it to something else?

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wagnerrp:

mpeg and digital tuners, mpeg2 straight to disk

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wagnerrp:

framegrabbers are mjpeg or mpeg4asp, whatever you have set in your recording profile

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verb3k:

wagnerrp, I see, thanks

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dewman:

is there a reason for 4 mysql.txt files and 3 entires for dbhostname in each file?

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wagnerrp:

nothing mythtv would have done

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dewman:

so I should only need 1 mysql file in /etc/mythtv and one dbhostname in the mysql.txt?

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wagnerrp:

you shouldnt need any

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will only fall back to mysql.txt if it cant find a config.xml

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sid3windr:

jolaren: I can use it fine with my nvidia cards.. :P

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dewman:

ok there is 6 of the config.xml files

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dewman:

I know I didnt create 6 of them. mythbuntu must have made all of those.

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sid3windr:

where are they located then?

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wagnerrp:

you should have _one_ for each user which has started mythtv, in ~/.mythtv/config.xml

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sid3windr:

because obviously there can only be one in one directory ;)

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jolaren:

sid3windr; really? with what repos?

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sid3windr:

uhh

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sid3windr:

debian-multimedia

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jolaren:

how do I update my database from mythtv-setup?

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jolaren:

my stationary says my backend is 7 versions behind

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jolaren:

any idea?

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dewman:

/etc/mythtv/ /home/mythtv/.mythtv /home/rob/.mthtv/ /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/config_files/

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dewman:

/usr/share/mythtv /var/www/.mythtv

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dewman:

thats all the locations....

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wagnerrp:

so you have a default one that ships with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

ones in two separate user directories

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wagnerrp:

one for some web application, although thats not mythweb, since it doesnt use that file

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wagnerrp:

then /etc/mythtv and /usr/share/mythtv are some locations mythbuntu decided to shove in for good measure

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dewman:

good measure causes great confusion for me. =)

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gratuit:

Is there a way to change the tuner that liveTV uses without actually getting into liveTV? I had a tuner setup that I then deleted, and now every time I select watch TV it fails on me

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dewman:

the problem originally started when a reboot would occur it would take me into a language setup screen. sphery suggested that one of my files was out of place. So I started to look at each one and now I think I really borked it

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gratuit:

I think it is trying to open the tuner that is no longer there

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will use the first available tuner

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wagnerrp:

if you have removed it from mythtv in mythtv-setup, mythtv will no longer try to use it

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gratuit:

wagnerrp, ok, is there some way to specify which tuner it should use?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will use the first available tune

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wagnerrp:

r

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gratuit:

so it doesn't just use the first available?

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wagnerrp:

if you want a different order, delete them all and change your order

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wagnerrp:

wont take more than a couple minutes to do

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jolaren:

2010-01–31 18:15:42.863 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Error: Failed to open DVB frontend device due to fatal error or too many attempts.

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jolaren:

Is there not a smart way to update server?

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jolaren:

I need a newer version of backend

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wagnerrp:

smart way?

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jolaren:

like

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jolaren:

mythbackend -update

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jolaren:

or whatever

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jolaren:

I find no options in mythtv-setup or by running the backend

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not provide binary packages

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wagnerrp:

nor could they attempt to do so for the dozens of different distros users run mythtv on

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jolaren:

"This version of MythTV requires an updated database. (scheme is seven versions behind). Run mythtv-setup or mythbackend to upgrade your database

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jolaren:

I've run both

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jolaren:

But it's not updating

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wagnerrp:

then its hitting a fault, and exiting

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wagnerrp:

check your logs to see why

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plut0:

i setup firewire for the first time and I have no sound, i believe my passthrough output device is wrong

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MartinJT:

anyone know of a reason why "play with trailers" would be trying to use the frontend's trailer directory instead of the Storage Group one?

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MartinJT:

I've removed it completely, and now the log says "ScanDirectory()"

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noaXess_kubuntu:

i can watch live tv, can record shows.. but can't scan for new channels in mythtv-setup.. anyidea why?

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wagnerrp:

analog tuner?

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noaXess_kubuntu:

wagnerrp: now.. dvb-c.. thre cards..

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noaXess_kubuntu:

Can't open DVB frontend (/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) for /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0.

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noaXess_kubuntu:

is that, cause i login to my backend over ssh -x and start mythtv-setup?

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wagnerrp:

if your backend is running, your backend will have the tuner card locked

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wagnerrp:

so mythtv-setup cannot access it to scan

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wagnerrp:

thats why mythtv-setup warned you that your backend was running, and that you should probably close it

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noaXess_kubuntu:

wagnerrp: if i start mythtv-setup over ssh then i ask about stopping mythbackend jobs and they are stopped.. i controlled it with another ssh session

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wagnerrp:

not 'jobs' as in stuff running in the jobqueue

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wagnerrp:

you actually need to stop the mythbackend executable

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noaXess_kubuntu:

if mythtv-setup is running.. no mythbacked process is running..

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wagnerrp:

only if youre running mythbuntu with their wrapper scripts

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noaXess_kubuntu:

ok.. so.. you mean i should manually stop mythbackend and then start mythtv-setup?

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wagnerrp:

yes!

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noaXess_kubuntu:

same problem.. can's access the cards'

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noaXess_kubuntu:

can't ^

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noaXess_kubuntu:

can i really access the dvb-c cards if i login to the backend over ssh?

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wagnerrp:

an ssh terminal is (almost) no different from a local terminal

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wagnerrp:

what difference would it make?

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noaXess_kubuntu:

ok..

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noaXess_kubuntu:

hm..

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noaXess_kubuntu:

what command line tools can i try to test, if i can access the cards?

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noaXess_kubuntu:

w_scan?

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wagnerrp:

ive heard it called scan or dvbscan... w_scan is probably something different

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noaXess_kubuntu:

ok.. dvbscan: Failed to open frontend

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wagnerrp:

because something has your tuner locked

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sid3windr:

or the permissions are wrong

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noaXess_kubuntu:

it seams so...

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noaXess_kubuntu:

mythtv-status says all encoders are idle..

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noaXess_kubuntu:

will eboot my backend and test after fresh boot..

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noaXess_kubuntu:

same problem after reboot.. i can't access my cards for scanning channels.. but recording and watching live tv is stil fine..??

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sid3windr:

uhh

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sid3windr:

mythtv-status shouldn't be able to say anything

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sid3windr:

afaik

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sid3windr:

otherwise it means it could connect to your backend.. :)

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noaXess_kubuntu:

??

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noaXess_kubuntu:

sid3windr: how should the permissions be?.. the user which run's mythtv-setup is in mythtv group

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noaXess_kubuntu:

thast from /dev/dvb/adapter0: crw-rw---- 1 root video 212, 1 2010-01–31 19:51 dvr0

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noaXess_kubuntu:

seams there is a group video. .but the user isn't in this group...

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sid3windr:

then it should be in the video group...

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noaXess_kubuntu:

i see..

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noaXess_kubuntu:

bull shi...

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noaXess_kubuntu:

mistake.. grrr.

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Hilikus:

how do i install flash player for mythbrowser?

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wagnerrp:

just use whatever generic flash player your distro privides

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Hilikus:

ok, and the browser will detect it or i need to configure it?

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wagnerrp:

basically, everything but IE will use the same flash player in the same location on your system

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wagnerrp:

its almost a standard

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Hoxzer:

1111111111

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wagnerrp:

partying like its 1999

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TauPan:

interesting... does anybody here know anything about sql? I get an sql syntax error when I pass an empty subtitle in my query.

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** TauPan has no clue about (my)sql. **

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mag0o:

why would you pass an empty subtitle?

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TauPan:

because I'm stupid

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TauPan:

let me rephrase that, because I'm lazy

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TauPan:

that's better

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mag0o:

:)

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TauPan:

let me pastebin the python-foo I've come up with so far

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TauPan:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1773585

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jolaren:

Can anyone make sense out of this?

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jolaren:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/366452/

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TauPan:

I might add that I suck at python as well ;)

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mag0o:

do an if/then based on subtitle == ""

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TauPan:

for some reason, tvbrowser passes in " " but the string formatting in python makes "" out of it

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jolaren:

Everything worked fine yesterday

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jolaren:

but then this happend today

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jolaren:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/366452/

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jolaren:

DVBChan(1:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: Failed to open DVB frontend device due to fatal error or too many attempts.

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jolaren:

2010-01–31 23:26:38.547 DVBChan(1:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.

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jolaren:

eno: Permission denied (13)

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jolaren:

2010-01–31 23:26:38.548 DVBChan(1:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: Failed to open DVB frontend device due to fatal error or too many attempts.

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jolaren:

2010-01–31 23:26:38.554 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed.

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jolaren:

eno: Permission denied (13)

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jolaren:

2010-01–31 23:26:38.554 DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0) Error: Failed to open DVB frontend device due to fatal error or too many attempts.

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jolaren:

2010-01–31 23:26:38.554 MythBackend, Error: No valid capture cards are defined in the database.

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jolaren:

Perhaps you should re-read the installation instructions?

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jolaren:

Sorry

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wagnerrp:

TauPan: you shouldnt be using 'query' directly

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wagnerrp:

you should generate a 'cursor', and then use cursor.execute, and cursor.fetchone or cursor.fetchall

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Casper0082:

jolaren: Are you running mythbackend as a user who is a member of the video group?

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wagnerrp:

TauPan: are you running 0.22 or trunk?

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jolaren:

Casper0082; It autostarts on startup.. I will try to look that up

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jolaren:

Casper0082; when I restart it with a user who is in the group same error occurs

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Tanthrix:

jolaren: What if you run it as root, just for fun?

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Casper0082:

jolaren: ls -l /dev/dvb/adapter* | grep frontend0

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Tanthrix:

jolaren: If that works, you've got a permissions problem. If it doesn't, look elsewhere.

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jolaren:

Casper0082; crw-rw----+ 1 root video 212, 3 2010-01–31 23:23 frontend0

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jolaren:

crw-rw----+ 1 root video 212, 7 2010-01–31 23:23 frontend0

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Casper0082:

jolaren: Do you know what user is running mythbackend?

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jolaren:

Casper0082; prob mythtv or superm1 or jolaren

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Casper0082:

You can find out with ps aux | grep mythbackend

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Casper0082:

And make sure that the user is listed in the output of "cat /etc/group | grep video"

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jolaren:

I'm trying to run mythbackend as root now

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jolaren:

You were right

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jolaren:

No errors

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TauPan:

wagnerrp: I'm running 0.22 fixes

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jolaren:

I used chmod but perhaps taht wasnt enough

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TauPan:

wagnerrp: and I stole that query from mythweb, more or less

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TauPan:

updated version: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1773635

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jolaren:

root@c-0bf2e555:~# ps aux | grep mythbackend

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jolaren:

superm1 1715 0.0 14.4 180256 17460 ? Ssl 23:26 0:00 /usr/bin/mythbackend

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jolaren:

root 1911 0.0 0.6 3036 772 pts/2 R+ 23:40 0:00 grep mythbackend

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Casper0082:

Ok, now run the other command and make sure superm1 is listed in the video group

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Casper0082:

cat /etc/group | grep video

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jolaren:

He is not, but mythtv user is, how do I add a user to that group?

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Casper0082:

useradd <group> <username>

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Casper0082:

err

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Casper0082:

useradd -g <group> <username>

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hednod:

Your database must be fixed before you can upgrade beyond 0.21-fixes.

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hednod:

the wiki article linked to fix this, is a bit confusing... does it need to be latin1, or utf8, for 0.22+

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wagnerrp:

TauPan: these inputs youre giving, what format are they?

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wagnerrp:

the times, rather

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TauPan:

unix seconds since epoch

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TauPan:

because it was simpler from the calling side (tvbrowser) to set up this way

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TauPan:

argv looks like this

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TauPan:

record "EinsFestival" 1264977900 1264983300 "Tatort: Vergessene Erinnerung" " "

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TauPan:

(btw. the last version I pasted pretty much works)

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jolaren:

Casper0082; I really don't know what's wrong.. I even added superm1 to the root group but still can't open the file without the errors

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Casper0082:

jolaren: add him to the video group

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wagnerrp:

TauPan: this is somewhat better syntax... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1773660

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** iamlindoro is very curious to know how one IRC user ended up with another IRC user's nick running his backend **

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** Casper0082 creates imlindoro user to run his backend **

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iamlindoro:

heh

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TauPan:

wagnerrp: so quotes aren't needed? And what's the problem with using query directly?

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wagnerrp:

TauPan: standard database syntax in python opens up a cursor and performs actions on that cursor

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wagnerrp:

mysql doesnt support cursors

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wagnerrp:

however the mysqldb module emulates that capacity

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jolaren:

Casper0082; a simple reboot did the trick ;p

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wagnerrp:

basically, youre conforming to standard python database syntax, rather than using some special ability particular to mysql

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wagnerrp:

you dont need the quotes because the cursor is designed to automatically process and format any data you give it in the execute() call

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wagnerrp:

better to let it do things properly, than you to try to do it on your own

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TauPan:

would that make it unnecessary to set subtitle to "()" if it's empty?

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wagnerrp:

if its empty, set it to None

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wagnerrp:

which would translate into a NULL in mysql

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wagnerrp:

if that violates schema, set it to an empty string, ""

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** TauPan tries that. **

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wagnerrp:

so better 'record' management would be useful to you?

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TauPan:

MythLogBot: starttime = datetime.fromtimestamp(sys.argv[3]) give me 'TypeError: a float is required'

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mag0o:

quit trying to swim without a float!

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Casper0082:

I don't think MythLogBot is going to reply

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TauPan:

:)

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wagnerrp:

TauPan: so give it a float

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wagnerrp:

datetime.fromtimestamp(float(sys.argv[3]))

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TauPan:

works nicely and gives lots of warnings

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jolaren:

My audio doesn't work but everything else is flawless

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TauPan:

wagnerrp: what did you mean by "better 'record' management"?

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wagnerrp:

i mean... see the objects i have set up in the new bindings

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wagnerrp:

you would do something like "newrec = Record(); newrec.chanid=whatever; newrec.starttime=whatever; newrec.create()"

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TauPan:

ah, yeah, that looks nice

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TauPan:

but I'm not sure it would convince me to use trunk

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wagnerrp:

no, but it would be in 0.23 in a month

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TauPan:

sweet ;)

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wagnerrp:

i might be 20 minutes to put in such management for records, i just hadnt even thought of it

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wagnerrp:

honestly, the only difficulty of setting these up in the new bindings is figuring out default settings to use

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jolaren:

If anyone is intressted how my mythtv server project has looked like the past few days

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jolaren:

take alook here : http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3891/meckye.jpg

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jduggan:

it looks like mess on the floor

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jduggan:

;p

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jolaren:

Hehe

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jolaren:

It's two servers

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wagnerrp:

whats that cable coming off the Live card?

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iamlindoro:

mess on the floor, mess on the floor, whatcha gonna do with the mess on the floor

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sid3windr:

myth teevee. myth teevee.. what are they feeding you

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sid3windr:

myth teevee. myth teevee.. it's not your fault!

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jolaren:

Casper0082; Works fine! Thank you alot :P My only question is now, I've added it to autorun somehow and I need to close it down and reopen it with the correct user for everything to work – how do I correct that?

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