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Friday, January 29th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

unless 10:08 was important (it shouldn't have flown that long before crashing, though...)

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sphery:

we need mkrufky for trivia

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skd5aner:

sphery: how do I check if I have those fonts installed?

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sphery:

skd5aner: don't know... deb-based or rpm-based distro?

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skd5aner:

deb

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skd5aner:

I'll see if there's anything in apt-cache related to it and see if I have it installed

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sphery:

it should be some package like msttcorefonts

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skd5aner:

ttf-mscorefonts-installer – Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts

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sphery:

installed or not?

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skd5aner:

just a sec – playing tech support for the family :-/

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sphery:

heh

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skd5aner:

sphery: sorry, back – it wasn't installed, installing now

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skd5aner:

it would be in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts

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skd5aner:

which, it is now

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skd5aner:

are they pre-reqs for the themes?

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sphery:

skd5aner: Terra uses Arial, so it's a prereq for that theme

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sphery:

Graphite was just fixed

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sphery:

does Terra work, now (after restarting mythfrontend)

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skd5aner:

wife is watching TV – let you know in about 45 mins :D

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sphery:

skd5aner: chances are that when you tried Terra, it requested Arial and your distro (*buntu?) is set up to use DejaVu Sans as a replacement for Arial. DejaVu Sans is /much/ wider than Arial, so...

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sphery:

skd5aner: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DejaVu_Sans_and_Arial.png

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sphery:

see how it would do exactly what you saw :)

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skd5aner:

yea – I use the server edition of ubuntu (read: very minimal install), so I'm not surprised it wasn't pre-loaded

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doje:

does Myth work with the Motorola DCX-3200 ?

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doje:

nm, looks like I need to upgrade to .22

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sphery:

doje: worth updating--make sure you use 0.22-fixes, though (which is what packagers package)

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crankharder:

mythrename.pl isn't automagically detectin my password (not sure how it'd do that) like it says it should... anyone know why that is?

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wagnerrp:

mythrename.pl uses the perl bindings to automagically read your password from your ~/.mythtv/config.xml file

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wagnerrp:

if you dont have that file, its hosed

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crankharder:

got it, tanx — i had changed my db password

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: jamu updates – #1, 2, 3!, 14, and 15 :)

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skd5aner:

thank you :)

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skd5aner:

and, of course for the rest of the updates as well of course

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[R]:

that's trippy

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[R]:

i have overlapping recordings

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[R]:

and multirec is taking care of it

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: You welcome, all the enhancements were from popular demand;)

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wagnerrp:

always catering to your public

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** wagnerrp just caters to the one person publicly using the bindings **

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Sucking up is my only skill.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: where did the file with the Myth DB schema version go? (MythDB.py)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: its all in bindings/python/MythTV/MythStatic.py now

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sphery:

thx

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sphery:

I'll update the commend in dbcheck.cpp (since I'm updating the db schema, anyway :)

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: I remember asking you about a "directory exclusion" feature a while back, I didn't get the feeling it was anything more than a feature request without a patch, so happy to see you considered it :)

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skd5aner:

Either way, much easier than my SQL scripts to try and populate 99999999 in any video belonging to a particular directory structure

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skd5aner:

and wagnerrp: ty too ;)

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skd5aner:

enough thanks to go around

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sphery:

skd5aner: find out if installing Arial fixed Terra?

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skd5aner:

sphery: forgot to check, been a hectic night :P

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skd5aner:

let me go restart mfe

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skd5aner:

sphery: yes, that seems to have resolved the few test cases within Terra

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skd5aner:

I'll report back on the ticket

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: I thought the "directory exclusion" was a good idea and put it on my list but did not have time until now to add features to jamu. I was too busy writing MythNetvision grabbers.

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skd5aner:

priorities, I know how that goes

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skd5aner:

anyway – just wanted to say I noticed, and to thank you, and now it's time for some sleep

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sphery:

skd5aner: thx

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grokky:

RDV_Linux: not sure if its jamu, or something awry in my DB, but since the 27th jamu is giving an error with the MW option. Occurs with latest trunk (23357). http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1770288 Any Ideas on where to look?

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grokky:

I can't find anything wrong with the DB data, and from memory I did update to trunk around the 27th, so am wondering if its a code change or bindings change.

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RDV_Linux:

grokky: Looking at the pastebin now

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RDV_Linux:

grokky: That is a bug related to the bindings change but this is a jamu issue not a bindings issue. I will fix it and send a patch sometime tomorrow. There will be a few of these popping up while jamu and the new bindings get comfortable with each other;)

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grokky:

RDV_Linux: No rush, and thanks.

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elmojo:

sphery: which MB did you get for your new backend?

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elmojo:

my backend seems to keep getting worse

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sphery:

elmojo: getting worse how?

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sphery:

My new backend hardware is not yet running the backend... I'll be swapping hardware on 2 systems when I do a distro upgrade.

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sphery:

I wanted to run the hardware for a couple months on a less-important system so I could test reliability (and haven't had any issues with it).

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sphery:

But I got a cheap ECS mobo (A780GM-A)

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sphery:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135235

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ip_goat_rodeo:

ECS is pretty much the crappiest motherboard maker in the industry

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

but when I got a name brand oft reputed to be the best in the industry for the mobo, the system crashed once every month or two because of memory corruption due to overheating chipset--and swapping out the mobo to an ECS (which wasn't designed for performance) everything worked and systems were rock-solid stable (just like with the ECS and PCChips mobos I had been using for my Myth boxes before)

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sphery:

IMHO, cheap hardware = old/well-tested components

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ip_goat_rodeo:

my ECS dual socket-370 was the worst motherboard I ever had.

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ip_goat_rodeo:

leaky caps and all

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wagnerrp:

i dont think ive ever had a crash on my current asus be/fe in the year ive had it

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sphery:

I had leaky caps on everything from ASUS to Gigabyte to PCChips

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ip_goat_rodeo:

I typically go with asus and intel now

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kormoc:

personally I only buy intel

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ip_goat_rodeo:

gigabyte running a distant third

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kormoc:

not the most features, but a solid board typically

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sphery:

the leaky caps were caused by the fact that almost all caps are manufactured by only 2 vendors, so when the one had the bad design, you either got them or didn't

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wagnerrp:

gigabyte makes full featured boards, but theyre a pain in the ass

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sphery:

(in mobos, that is)

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sphery:

I haven't found an Intel mobo for my preferred CPU's

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elmojo:

anyone using the solid cap boards?

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sphery:

elmojo: the A780GM-A is solid caps

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ip_goat_rodeo:

I've been buying a lot of intel atom mini-itx boards for near-embedded stuff lately. They're rock-solid for getting decently powerful machines where you could only get via c7 or geode before in that form factor.

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elmojo:

sphery: getting worse because I've had to lowere the FSB frequency over the past year to get the system to boot.

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elmojo:

it's an old Athlon XP base system so it's time to go

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sphery:

ah, so you don't mean that a new Regor-based system is getting bad...

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ip_goat_rodeo:

I assume that their core boards are just as good.

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sphery:

I was worrried that you bought a Regor system when I was talking about the chip and you didn't like it :)

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elmojo:

no.. I don't have a new system yet... I've been wondering what you were using to build your new backend with

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ip_goat_rodeo:

I'm probably going to go with an asus p5q pro for my next media box upgrade cycle.

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sphery:

elmojo: I wouldn't recommend ECS/PCChips to anyone. That said, my master and remote backends running ECS and PCChips, respectively, and my new system that will be the new mbe with an ECS are working great for me.

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: do you have urls/links/whatever to the themes for the contest?

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sphery:

kormoc: a couple of entries posted in http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 20511#420511 thread

[05:22:01]

kormoc:

snaz

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sphery:

ok, guess only one--other one I thought was in there is in http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 20591#420591

[05:22:54]

sphery:

kormoc: and see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 19821#419821 , too

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kormoc:

Oh wow, can we get any more geeky?!?! :)

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sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

So just two eh?

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wagnerrp:

so far

[05:25:01]

wagnerrp:

theyve got until monday

[05:25:11]

wagnerrp:

and theres at least one more putting on finishing touches

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wagnerrp:

oh, and the blue-abstract guy has a submission somewhere

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kormoc:

cool

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** wagnerrp goes back to working on... **

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sphery:

also will be childish dot lynchmv dot com

[05:25:52]

wagnerrp:

...his rubber band ball

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wagnerrp:

i found a bag of rubber bands this afternoon, i couldnt help myself

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sphery:

wagnerrp: blue-abstract was the "and see"

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wagnerrp:

ah

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sphery:

don't know how that one will turn out with the widgets...

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[R]:

EXCELLENT

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[R]:

i'm at full bitrate on my HDPVR

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[R]:

517867808 for 5 minutes

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wagnerrp:

i may have bitten off a bit much with these jobqueue changes

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sphery:

So, I really like the childish theme (not for me, but I like it)

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sphery:

it's cool to have one for kids

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, the blue-abstract theme is not eligible, so let's definitely not give the wrong idea by posting it there

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kormoc:

rgr

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, thanks for taking a look at this

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kormoc:

np

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[R]:

well, now to enable 1080i

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone else have trouble with vdpau working on SVN? I was running my compiled version of 0.22-fixes without any trouble with VDPAU, but it's not working in svn.

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wagnerrp:

svn what?

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EnderTheThird:

sorry. 23340

[05:40:04]

wagnerrp:

again, svn what

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EnderTheThird:

mythtv trunk.

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wagnerrp:

you could be running rev 23340 of branches/release-0-21-fixes

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sphery:

EnderTheThird: what nvidia driver? Use the stable release, not the new beta

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EnderTheThird:

My mistake. and FWIW I was running svn of 0.22-fixes before and vdpau was working fine. r23254 until i switched to trunk

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wagnerrp:

check your playback profiles and make sure they didnt get reset to one not using vdpau

[05:42:04]

EnderTheThird:

sphery: using the current stable, 190.53

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iamlindoro:

It's almost like trunk was some sort of unstable version of MythTV

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[R]:

how do ifind out the resolution of my hdpvr recordingds?

[05:42:55]

EnderTheThird:

Who would have thought, I know. I'm just making sure it didn't require the newer beta nvidia driver or some such.

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wagnerrp:

no, there have not been any API changes that would break such since the initial VDPAU release version

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iamlindoro:

Presumably you know what's been going on in the VDPAU code lately, so it not working should come as no surprise

[05:43:50]

iamlindoro:

Myth VDPAU code, that is

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: Thanks. I wasn't keeping up with trunk changes as much since I was using 0.22-fixes after 0.22 came out. But then you put Arclight out there and I came crawling back. Very nice theme btw.

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iamlindoro:

thanks-- you really need to be keeping up, though, as the VDPAU code has just been gutted and replaced with new code (as evidenced in commits)

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EnderTheThird:

I see. Guess I'll need to tweak the deinterlace methods. 1080i doesn't look nearly as good with CPU right now.

[05:49:43]

doje:

does this still apply to .22: "libraw1394 (version must be <=1.2.1, 1.3.0 is BROKEN!)" ?

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doje:

that's from the wiki

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wagnerrp:

i saw markk having a lot of VDPAU commits, but i hadnt really been paying attention to them

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iamlindoro:

merged all his new VDPAU code in from the libmtythui-osd branch

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wagnerrp:

ah

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[R]:

what's one of the network channels that uses 1080?

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: I'm curious, I noticed you have a twitterbutton in your watermarks for Arclight. I can't find anything about a twitter plugin being available for Myth though...?

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wagnerrp:

CBS. NBC

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wagnerrp:

FOX and ABC are both 720p

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[R]:

i knew fox

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[R]:

thought abc was 1080

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[R]:

excellent

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[R]:

my hdpvr is fully operational

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sphery:

abc = disney = 720p

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** [R] MUHAHA's **

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wagnerrp:

it isnt around me, if it is elsewhere

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wagnerrp:

its frustrating trying to get back into the habit of ending stuff with a semicolon

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[R]:

python is evil

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[R]:

but i thought the ; could still be used

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wagnerrp:

i think it can

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wagnerrp:

i just dont

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I don't know what you mean; it seems perfectly natural to me;

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wagnerrp:

any idea why mythtranscode would be set up to retry running three times in mythjobqueue?

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kormoc:

I so prefer semicolons compared to the logical conclusion of python's white space functional definition http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/index.php

[06:04:50]

wagnerrp:

would expect something like that from a haskell user

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** ip_goat_rodeo goes into involuntary spams at the mention of the H word **

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ip_goat_rodeo:

spasms too

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wagnerrp:

ive got nothing against haskell per se, to be honest, i dont really know anything about the language

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[R]:

i had to learn haskell

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[R]:

don't remember anything from it though

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wagnerrp:

it just seems to me that the people who use it in favor of something more mainstream are only doing so because they have to be different

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sphery:

I always thought that Haskell was a bit too smart-mouthed. Wally was so much more respectful.

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wagnerrp:

but haskell was always so well groomed

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sphery:

elmojo: in the patch for #7986, does it prevent creation of seektables for MKV with MPEG-4/H.264 or is it just with MPEG-2?

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elmojo:

sphery: it prevents *any* mkv seek table creation

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elmojo:

it's based on container and not codec

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elmojo:

sphery: I think I might be able to get mkv working with seek tables... probably try something tomorrow

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elmojo:

but go ahead with the patch

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sphery:

OK... Since the MKV stuff was all in MPEG2fixup, I wasn't sure (I don't know the mythtranscode design and didn't know how much was old, outdated names and how much was accurate)

[06:30:39]

sphery:

is there a benefit to using the seektables with mkv?

[06:30:53]

sphery:

does the in-container seek information work equally well?

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elmojo:

sphery: yes... it's in mpeg2fix but it is actually generic for building seek tables

[06:31:20]

sphery:

yeah, old, outdated names, it seems

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elmojo:

sphery: for the most part yes... I've got over a hundred and never seen one bad seek

[06:32:09]

sphery:

if that's the case, supporting in-db seektables may not be worthwhile

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elmojo:

sphery: the only know problem is a file Mark has and that just causes it to seek to the wrong position... nothin catastrophic

[06:32:56]

wagnerrp:

does '+=' syntax work on QStrings?

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wagnerrp:

or is there a '.append()' or something?

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wagnerrp:

the latter...

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sphery:

the seektable makes sense for VBR MPEG-2, since without we can end up jumping a very wrong amount or even the wrong direction, but if it doesn't make sense for mkv...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: both

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sphery:

http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qstring.html#operator-2b-eq and http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qstring.html#append

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elmojo:

sphery: I'm not sure about VBR seeking... that's a good question

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sphery:

are your mkv's all CBR?

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elmojo:

sphery... I'm not sure

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sphery:

oh, and really, I should have said, "VBR MPEG-2 in MPEG Systems Streams"

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sphery:

(since there's no seek info in MPEG containers, TTBOMK)

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elmojo:

you would think FFmpeg would handle that properly

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sphery:

I thought MKV had some seek info in it

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sphery:

for the MPEG-2, it doesn't do bad, but it has to have read the frames

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sphery:

so jump back is usually not bad, but jump forward can be off (or even go backwards)

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elmojo:

I dunno... it's past my bedtime anyways

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sphery:

at least, that's my experience with MPEG-2/MPEG container playback in xine and MPlayer (so it's all anecdotal, and I've never looked at the code)

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elmojo:

what produces VBR MPEG-2 for you?

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sphery:

isn't all the OTA stuff VBR?

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elmojo:

dunno... I use libav seeking for OTA stuff and it works fine

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sphery:

(in the US/ATSC)

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sphery:

even in xine/MPlayer?

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elmojo:

I use some of my recordings for testing

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elmojo:

I've never noticed an issue

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sphery:

In Myth it does because we have the nice seektable

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elmojo:

have you noticed this phenomena lately?

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sphery:

what about DVD's?

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elmojo:

I use libavf seeking using the Internal player for ATSC and have zero issues

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sphery:

I have xine-lib 1.1.7 and xine-ui 0.99.5 and saw it last week on Smallville

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sphery:

(though old episodes)

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elmojo:

and I used to use Xine as a backup in case the Internal player had any issues and it never had any problems

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sphery:

I find that small skips tend to be way off on some material

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elmojo:

wait a minute... you use xine to playback your recordings!

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sphery:

so the 7s or 15s skips might not work

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sphery:

I don't have Myth on my laptop and I take recordings to watch when I travel :)

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elmojo:

and xine uses it's on internal decoder for MPEG-2 so it's going to have different issues than mplayer or Internal

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sphery:

Myth on the laptop for traveling would be such a flamethrower/cigarette situation

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elmojo:

mythavtest works fine

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sphery:

well, if seektables are no longer required, we should dump them...

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elmojo:

sphery: we shouldn't do that at all... they will always be much faster and always key frame accurate

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sphery:

of course, that would require buy in from everyone, but if they're not helping, that's a /ton/ of code (and a ton of user maintenance) we could get rid of

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wagnerrp:

would sure fix a lot of complaints... 'why does this table have billions and billions of lines?'

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elmojo:

and for in progress recordings I'm not so sure libavf would work that well... no idea

[06:45:30]

elmojo:

it definitely needs to stay for recordings

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sphery:

well, the updates are mostly disabled/non-func for in-progress (at least some types) right now, so :)

[06:46:09]

elmojo:

and there are still containers that don't have timestamp information when you seek so you can't do exact seeks with a seek table

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sphery:

but if the libav stuff does it by actually decoding the entire stream until it finds the point you're trying to jump to (rather than estimating), we don't want that :)

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elmojo:

I haven't tried using libavf seeking on a in progress recording

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sphery:

was that supposed to be "without a seek table"?

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elmojo:

would be easy to test

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elmojo:

yes.. meant without

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sphery:

anyway, if they have benefits, it's good

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sphery:

if not, then it's not worth it

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sphery:

sounds like they do, so

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elmojo:

definitely have benefits.... a libavf seek still has to do a search which takes time plus it doesn't always return the keyframe... I believe the new seeking API is targeted to correct a lot of these problems but it's not ready yet

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sphery:

cool

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elmojo:

but it will always be slower than a pre-existing seek table

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elmojo:

the improvements I made eliminated some extremely long seek times that were caused on our end

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elmojo:

but we still can't compete with a seek table

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elmojo:

time for sleep now

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: You wouldn't happen to have the .xcf files (assuming you used GIMP?) for the watermarks you made for Arclight, would you? I'm trying to make my own watermark for the Hulu Desktop shortcut I added but the gradient angle and whatnot aren't quite matching the other ones.

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adamw:

oh damn. i've stuffed up my myth database config somehow. it's rather odd, too. i can run mythtv-setup and feed it the database config info and it's happy, but then mythbackend service fails to connect to the db

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adamw:

any ideas anyone?

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adamw:

mythbackend.log shows 'Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' ; if i try and connect to the database with the correct info from the console it works, if i run mythtv-setup it connects to the database okay. but the backend won't. grr.

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sphery:

EnderTheThird: I was thinking he used Inkscape.

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sphery:

adamw: you need to fix (all) $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml files on your system (in all HOME dirs, including root's) and all mysql.txt files (use locate/find to find them as they're spread all over the filesystem)

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adamw:

sphery: ah, that's the secret sauce – thanks

[07:37:11]

sphery:

technically, config.xml could be anywhere if someone is doing something bad, so might want to locate/find them, too

[07:37:19]

sphery:

(that someone would be your packager)

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adamw:

no, it's not the packager i don't think

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adamw:

i've confused it by screwing with my mysql config

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adamw:

i'm trying to get a slightly odd setup working (mythweb running on a machine with no mythbackend of its own, connecting to a mythbackend and db running on a different machine)

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sphery:

I meant that if config.xml is somewhere that's not inside a .mythtv directory, the packager did something bad

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EnderTheThird:

sphery: Thanks, I'll give that a shot. I have makeshift icons for now, but I figured if I can get them to match the other watermarks more closely I'd throw them up on svn in case other people added the Hulu Deskotp shortcut too

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adamw:

sphery: you nailed it. thanks bunches.

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sphery:

adamw: enjoy

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adamw:

the mythweb bit still ain't working but at least my backend is up again. :)

[07:41:09]

adamw:

you have any experience trying to get a mythweb setup like that running? i'd've thought it'd be more common but it seems not

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sphery:

EnderTheThird: yeah, you should still ask him when he's around--he may well want you to make one using his original inkscape files

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sphery:

adamw: edit the mythweb.conf file (wherever your apache/lighttp keeps it)

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adamw:

sphery: yeah i've done that and fed it the right settings but it just gets 'database error'

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EnderTheThird:

sphery: Definitely. I'll check with him tomorrow before I burn away even more time tonight, heh.

[07:43:01]

adamw:

ah, got it, access to the database is still not allowed.

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sphery:

ah, yeah, need the right GRANTs in the DB

[07:43:52]

adamw:

i can't figure out how to do that for the database though. i think i stuffed it up with some bad google advice and now can't recover

[07:44:49]

adamw:

ooh, think i may have it

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EnderTheThird:

adamw: Have you tried phpmyadmin for managing the DB? Much easier to manage DBs and users with that IMO. I can never remember all of the mysql commands anyway.

[07:45:21]

adamw:

EnderTheThird: that just swaps in the problem of making phpmyadmin work :) admittedly i haven't tried that for a while but it was a pita last time i tried it

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adamw:

aha, yay! i think i made it work. well, not WORK work, because they're incompatible versions, damnit.

[07:46:21]

adamw:

but i reckon it would work if they were compatible. heh. okay, time to do a mythweb backport for the ancient distro release my webserver runs...

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EnderTheThird:

adamw: Fair enough. Mine set up with no trouble at all using apt-get, and I think you just need to enter the root/admin password for your mysql db to have it setup everything, but to each his own. :-)

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adamw:

EnderTheThird: it may well be better now, if i ever hit that pain threshold i'll probably give it a shot again; was close this time :)

[07:49:08]

EnderTheThird:

adamw: I hear that.

[07:50:53]

adamw:

thanks again for helping

[07:52:26]

adamw:

heyyy, whaddayaknow, it works.

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ivor:

yay. friday.

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lyricnz:

friday nearly gone :)

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ivor:

yeah it's lunchtime so official the weekend. :)

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lyricnz:

2306 here

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rambo3:

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justinh:

you asked that silly question yesterday

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quicksilver:

I'm still laughing from yesterday actually.

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ivor:

and if you're in the uk you need to make sure to run it on the left.

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[Peter]:

.. or ass backwards :)

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** [Peter] hides **

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sid3windr:

bass ackwards!

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ivor:

[Peter]: nah that'd be for the french.

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sid3windr:

[Peter]: isn't that more for .au?

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sid3windr:

scripts run top down in .au !

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ivor:

ta dum. tscchhh.

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sid3windr:

chuck norris doesn't run scripts, scripts run from chuck norris

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sid3windr:

etc

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sid3windr:

:>

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ivor:

in soviet russia etc

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quicksilver:

in soviet russia IRC channel makes joke in you?

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justinh:

all your base are belong to us?

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ivor:

showing your age there justinh

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justinh:

or if my recent email is to be believed, all our babes are belong to you, for right price

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** justinh starts getting ready to code mythchess **

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justinh:

I can't play chess, but I'm sure it'll be a good game plugin all the same

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sid3windr:

:D

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** justinh wonders if the -users ML is becoming sentient. Threads are appearing where people post the solution to their own problems **

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ivor:

justinh: wow. people will start using google and searching the wiki next you wait.

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mzb:

sid3windr, nope, but the water turns around the plughole the right way in .au ;)

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sid3windr:

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rambo3:

what

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rambo3:

's up

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mag0o:

heh http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/4/4a/IPadnano.png

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justinh:

MEH http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/4/4a/IPadnano.png

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justinh:

wonder when the world + dog will tire of making lame puns featuring the new thing

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mag0o:

oh c'mon, there's obviously nothing better to do

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sid3windr:

iPoo

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** mzb decides to watch mythtv instead **

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quicksilver:

one my colleagues has an iPood T-shirt

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quicksilver:

weirdly, the most fanatical apple fanboy we have

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quicksilver:

at least he can laugh at it

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justinh:

I still like my "no I will not fix your computer for free" tshirt

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tamwelg:

Hi all, sorry if this is a noob question. I've been looking everywhere for the answer before asking here. I'm having problems setting up my capture card in myth tv set up. I am unable to select my card in the card type tab. Any help would be appreciated.

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justinh:

almost as much as my "keep your sh**ty music to yourself"

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justinh:

you don't select the card in the card type tab. you only choose what *type* of card it is

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tamwelg:

the only options available to me are HDhomerun DTV tuner box and import record, which don't seem right for my card

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justinh:

uh oh

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justinh:

I have a feeling this isn't on a linux machine

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tamwelg:

yeah windows

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justinh:

bad news I'm afraid. windows backends are just a theory right now

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sid3windr:

:)

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tamwelg:

I've read through a few forums where people have got it working and I've used guides to compile the installer.

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justinh:

forums my ass

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justinh:

it's not a supported feature. nobody in official circles says it'll work, YMMV etc

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justinh:

it can't support windows capture hardware because mythbackend is mostly designed with V4L hardware in mind

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justinh:

outside of that are firewire capture & network tuner devices

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justinh:

if your capture method isn't one of those, you're boned. As simple as that

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tamwelg:

ok, thanks, people reporting it as working must only have the front end working with a linux backend

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tamwelg:

thanks for your help

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justinh:

yeah if anybody is saying they got mythbackend to work on windows, AFAIK they must be lying :-)

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justinh:

though somebody'll have to be the first to make it happen – I expect we'll all hear about it then

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tamwelg:

time to boot into my linux or osx operating system and set it up on there

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justinh:

tamwelg: assuming the card works in linux. you can only do network capture on OSX AFAIK

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justinh:

(with mythtv I mean)

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tamwelg:

ok thanks

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jst_:

tamwelg, any chance you set up a Linux backend? That's how I've got my network configured... Linux and Windows front ends, Linux backend.

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tamwelg:

Yep, that's exactly what I'm try now.

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jst_:

tamwelg, are you using the precompiled builds of MythTV for Windows?

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tamwelg:

tried both the precompiled and compiled my own

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justinh:

what precompiled builds of mythtv for windows?

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sid3windr:

jst_: there are precompiled builds?

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sid3windr:

wiki explicitly states you need to compile it yourself

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jst_:

Yeah.

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jst_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Windows# . . . s_Pre-Builds

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justinh:

oh lordy lordy lordy

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tamwelg:

The one here http://members.iinet.net.au/~davco/

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tamwelg:

justinh that is the precompile I've used

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tamwelg:

just read through the wiki again and noticed I missed this line – There is currently no support for most tuners in mythbackend.

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justinh:

and even then we don't think anybody has even made mythbackend *work* on a windows machine

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justinh:

hmm is there any chance that SVG graphic of the mythtv logo could er.. die in a fire? it's a very pale imitation of the real thing & way too many people have adopted it

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jst_:

heh

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** J-e-f-f-A suspects his router and/or switches are some how interfering with Wake-On-Lan – havent' tried it in a couple of years, and it's not working now... :-( **

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GreyFoxx:

I'm got one motherboard I wanted to use for WOL, and it's enabled in the bios, but when you shutdown the box it is not keeping power to the onboard NIC so it can never see the magic packet :)

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GreyFoxx:

I'm not sure if I've missed a jump or something :)

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GreyFoxx:

but nothing pops out in the manual :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, I'll have to check the MB manual – maybe I need to set a jumper on the MB to allow it as well as the BIOS setting...

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GreyFoxx:

I've encountered boards that required both

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: But I swear I had it working ~2 years ago, more-or-less just tinkering with it, since i didn't reall have a 'need' for it then. ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

but I haven't wanted to take this one apart to find it :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: I've got a new cell phone, and was experimenting with a WOL app from it to turn on my frontend without having to push the 'power' button on the front of the 'puter'... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: I ran a packet sniffer on my wintel box on the network, and see the WOL packet getting broadcast, it just doesn't wake up the box... DOH! ;-)

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Dibblah:

J-e-f-f-A: What does ethtool say?

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sid3windr:

dude: what does mine say?

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Dibblah:

ethtool eth0

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Dibblah:

Should say Wake-on: g

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Dibblah:

There may also be some magic you need to do with /proc/acpi/wakeup

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GreyFoxx:

echo enabled > /sys/class/net/eth1/power/wakeup

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GreyFoxx:

bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument

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GreyFoxx:

*sniff*

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GreyFoxx:

It doesn't love me

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GreyFoxx:

In fact the doesn't work on any of my boxes, but supposedly is something I'm suppose to be able to do

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Dibblah:

/proc/acpi/wakeup

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wagnerrp:

why not use ethtool?

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Dibblah:

The wakeup node isn't what you think it is.

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GreyFoxx:

ethtool tells the nic to list, the acpi bit tells the board to keep the nick powered

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GreyFoxx:

dibbz: That's the next bit I plan to mess with, but I've found tons of places where people use the same echo I did above to enable it for them

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GreyFoxx:

ahhhh I see why

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GreyFoxx:

I had the path wrong. I used /sys/class/net/eth1/power/wakeup when I should have used /sys/class/net/eth1/device/power/wakeup

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GreyFoxx:

:q

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iamlindoro:

:wq!

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sid3windr:

:q!

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sid3windr:

no need for override if you already wrote ;)

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ivor:

unless it's readonly and you want to force it

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GreyFoxx:

Sweeet, got it working

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dibblah: Sorry, @ work – will have to check later tonight when I'm home. ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

for me I just have 3 commands in an initscript that sets the values eahc boot and it seems to work just fine

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jst_:

Hey, all. I was on here a week or so ago asking about the possibility of using a buffer to stream TV to frontends. Someone told me there is a patch which can enable this functionality. Does anyone know which patch does it?

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ivor:

oh what the hell is pulseaudio doing. ffs.

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** J-e-f-f-A would jsut remove pulseaudio... ;-) **

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J-e-f-f-A:

'just' even...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dibblah: Ah, did some reading up on ethtool – looking at the output from the two Linux boxes currently on (My backend and one frontend), they both support WOL, but aren't enabled. I'll have to experiment w/ it when I get home on the 2 frontends I want to be able to control via WOL. (both are off right now)

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, ethtool, mii-tool, and mii-diag are fun stuff

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dibblah: Actually, I just determined that my wife left the Living Room myth box on, and tested WOL remotely with it... works great... Just have to google some more to find out how to make it 'persistent'... ;-)

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: the mii-* programs can basicaly read (or forcibly blink) the link LED

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clever:

so you can know when a cable is inserted

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J-e-f-f-A:

... and setup the other frontends the same way.

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clever:

or see which card eth0 is

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: you probly want ethtool in rc.local

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clever:

ive also run into problems where win XP will turn it back off, so its useless on my dual booting boxes

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clever:

bios might be able to force it on, i think ive done that with the d630 laptop

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: I'll try that. Turning it on in the Bios didn't do anything unfortunately...

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clever:

another good place would be the shutdown prep script

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clever:

so when myth turns itself off, it fixes wol

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: I've just got my shutdown script set to "poweroff' ... I could setup a script that calls ethtool to set the WOL first, then does a poweroff if rc.local doesn't work... (testing now)

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clever:

i was trying to be extra safe when i played with it, so all of my scripts did nothing but echo to a log

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clever:

i then discovered that when it goes to sleep, it shuts down the whole bloody network P

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clever:

that has since been fixed, but i havent bothered to set it up

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GreyFoxx:

J-e-f-f-A: I added a script to my init process (rc.local) which sets up the wakeonlan stuff at every boot

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, I just added that to my Living Room frontend, set it manually and powered it off. I just issued a WOL, waiting for it to finish booting to confirm that worked for me.. ;-) (I don't see why it won't, just want to check...)

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: Yep, that did the trick. Takes 68 seconds from WOL until IP is up on that frontend... seems slow IMHO.

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clever:

how are you checking that the ip is up?

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patdk-wk:

68sec?

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GreyFoxx:

Depends on if you suspended/hibrnated or for a full shutdown

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clever:

arping would be the first to come up, maybe at the same time as ping

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J-e-f-f-A:

But then again, it's just an Athlon 64 3200+ system...

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GreyFoxx:

if your distro takes that long to boot from a full shutdown I would expect that

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J-e-f-f-A:

Full shutdown. — clever: Ping of the IP

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clever:

ah

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patdk-wk:

hmm, a full boot for me, from wol, takes 48seconds, till mythfrontend is usable

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clever:

most of my own stuff is network booting, so the IP comes up very early

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GreyFoxx:

Takes about 20 or so for me to having myth on the screen, and the IP is up long before that

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patdk-wk:

I did find boot from network to boot tons faster than local

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clever:

and i can pick it up alot sooner because of that, dhcp and tftp logs

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clever:

followed by nfs logs

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clever:

patdk-wk: yeah, the server can cache those files in ram, and that cache wont be lost on shutdown

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patdk-wk:

yep

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clever:

but if you dont reboot often, some of those files will fade from the cache

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J-e-f-f-A:

Well, this frontend is by no means 'optimized' for boot time – it's a full install of Fedora 11, with svn 0.22-fixes on top of it.

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clever:

and then it will go back more to normal

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patdk-wk:

na, if I reboot it like once a week

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: bootchart should help to optomize it

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patdk-wk:

it always clocks in around 50sec

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J-e-f-f-A:

IIRC, it's ready to use in about 80–90 seconds. My bedroom box is faster, and is ready to use in about 60 seconds from a cold boot.

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GreyFoxx:

imho that's an incredibly long time

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clever:

~35 seconds from grub->rc.local for this laptop

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clever:

my rc.local logs /proc/uptime

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sphery:

I'd suffer withdrawal if my system was out for 80seconds

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs **

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clever:

but this laptop doesnt load X by default

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patdk-wk:

when I upgraded my laptop to ubuntu 9.10, it took >90seconds, from it's normal 55sec boot times

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patdk-wk:

dumping sreadahead fixed that

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** J-e-f-f-A takes notes **

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clever:

patdk-wk: yeah, i noticed preload caused a massive spike of IO initialy (enough to lag the pw login by 30 seconds)

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patdk-wk:

ubuntu pushed that modification out to everyone, a month or so ago

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clever:

but if the theory is right, everything after that would be faster

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patdk-wk:

clever, yes, as long as your not on ssd :)

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patdk-wk:

sreadahead was made for ssd

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J-e-f-f-A:

... Would 'noatime' help too?

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patdk-wk:

yep

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patdk-wk:

I use noatime and nodirtime

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clever:

/dev/mapper/oldghost-gentoo on / type reiserfs (rw,noatime)

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clever:

seems i have one of those already

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sphery:

ah, the Microsoft approach--rather than let the user wait 1 second extra when they try to start a program that they may or may not run every time they boot the system, let's preload everything on bootup so that it takes 45min to boot, but we save 1/4 second of I/O when starting up programs. (However, we'll highly optimize Office and IE to take advantage of the preloading so that they start up 10's of seconds faster.)

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sphery:

After all, who wouldn't want MS Office always resident in memory on their systems?

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patdk-wk:

hell, office is always in my ram, in ubuntu :)

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clever:

/dev/mapper/oldghost-gentoo on / type reiserfs (rw,noatime,nodiratime)

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sphery:

I do my best to stay away from any office-automation software

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patdk-wk:

sphery, I have to admin an exchange server :(

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patdk-wk:

so I need it to test user issues

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clever:

sphery: reminds me of a hack i saw somewhere in the myth ML i think, md5sum /var/lib/mythconverg/* in crontab

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sphery:

heh, yeah, you would need it for that

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clever:

sphery: it basicaly forced the system to keep the DB cached in ram

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sphery:

heh, that's pretty crazy

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sphery:

doesn't MySQL have options for how much it keeps resident?

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clever:

then somebody else pointed out preload:P

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patdk-wk:

mysql only keeps indexs in ram

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patdk-wk:

it depends on the os to keep the data

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patdk-wk:

unless your using innodb

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patdk-wk:

preload is the same thing, only preload indexs

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sphery:

in that case, just create your DB filesystem on a ram drive

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clever:

ive found that if i enable profiling (set profiling=1;), certain querys will cause it to eat 100's of mb of ram

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clever:

it practicaly doubles my swap usage in 30 seconds

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gee, does 'noatime' also apply for my NFS mounts?

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clever:

and doesnt go away

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patdk-wk:

J-e-f-f-A, yes :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wohoo...

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: ive found my server seems to never update atimes

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clever:

i sometimes rely on it to see what vid files ive watched, yet they dont update

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clever:

sphery: NDB is your answer!

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clever:

sphery: NDB is a DB storage engine for storing the table on a cluster of networked nodes, which keep it in ram

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J-e-f-f-A:

does "ro" imply "noatime", since it's mounted read-only?

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patdk-wk:

yep

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clever:

it also aligns every cell in the table to 16 bits, so the tables massively inflate and can easily eat gigs of ram

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, so no need to change my NFS mounts. ;-)

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patdk-wk:

atimeo?

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patdk-wk:

actimeo

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: 'man 5 nfs'

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patdk-wk:

actimeo will make nfs cache the crap out of it :)

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patdk-wk:

but also assumes changes don't happen

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patdk-wk:

for read-only, that should be fine :)

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patdk-wk:

actimeo=120 :)

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patdk-wk:

maybe larger

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clever:

patdk-wk: ive noticed a problem with nfs, if your reading a file thats being writen to (active myth recording), the client keeps throwing out its read-ahead cache

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sphery:

rumors suggest that can make things slow if you use that for your mythvideo filesystem or, worse, for your $HOME filesystem

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clever:

and then re-reading it

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clever:

using extra bandwidth&cpu

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patdk-wk:

ya

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clever:

and on a 300kb/sec 802.11b link, it cripples

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sphery:

(the image cache in the $HOME/.mythtv directory relies on speedy access to file info, including mod times)

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clever:

same on a 400mhz P2 frontend

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patdk-wk:

hmm, I'm only running nfs over gigabit

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clever:

yeah, if your on good stuff, you wont notice the problem as much

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clever:

actimeo=120 might effect it some

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... is there an equivalent for cifs mounts?

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clever:

it may take longer to notice that the last-mod has changed, and throw the cache out less often

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clever:

i just forced streaming from mythbackend

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patdk-wk:

hmm, I'm using these for webhosting: rw,noatime,bg,noacl,actimeo=60,nfsvers=3,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,hard,intr,udp,l ock

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patdk-wk:

I had to force streaming fro mthe backend for my system

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patdk-wk:

cause actimeo makes it not notice new files quick enough :)

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clever:

ah, intr could be usefull

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clever:

another nfs problem ive had

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clever:

if the server is shut down wrong, the client will generaly refuse to disconnect

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clever:

so any other mount to that ip, tries to reuse the socket

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clever:

and fails

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clever:

so the box is pretty much toast until i fully reboot it

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patdk-wk:

yep

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clever:

which is a pain, because that box is the server for nfs booting

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clever:

so i have to shut off pretty much every system in the whole LAN

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patdk-wk:

what is fun, nbd :)

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patdk-wk:

my nbd host reboots

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patdk-wk:

my ltsp diskless stations just hang

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clever:

i dont think nbd can reconnect

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patdk-wk:

normally at full cpu power

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patdk-wk:

fans going nuts :)

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clever:

could be worse

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clever:

the fan might have been in control of a userspace app

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clever:

and stuck at 0% :P

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patdk-wk:

no, I wouldn't get a computer that did that

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: you around?

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clever:

patdk-wk: its more of a software problem

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever, patdk-wk – How's this look: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1771097

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skd5aner:

was it you who worked on "mythfs"?

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: 2/3 pastebin sites fail to load for me 90% of the time

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patdk-wk:

are you sure you want your rsize so small?

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: yes

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clever:

pb.ca seems to be one of them

[19:29:26]

wagnerrp:

'works for me'

[19:29:42]

clever:

my ISP seems to hate them:P

[19:29:43]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I was curious if you wouldn't mind kind of explaining the 10,000ft view of what that exactly is and what it does?

[19:29:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

patdk-wk: I dunno – should it be 8k?

[19:29:52]

patdk-wk:

default is 8k

[19:30:02]

patdk-wk:

but with readahead in the kernel and everything

[19:30:02]

wagnerrp:

skd5aner: its an alternative to mythrename.pl

[19:30:13]

patdk-wk:

normally getting 32k chunks is good

[19:30:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: you're in Canada and can't access a Canadian pastebin site? Lame!

[19:30:17]

skd5aner:

what does it do differently/better?

[19:30:20]

patdk-wk:

and with video I can't see that being an issue :)

[19:30:24]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, thats the weird thing

[19:30:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

patdk-wk: So, 32767?

[19:30:34]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: it also seems to run better via my squid proxy

[19:30:47]

patdk-wk:

j-e-f-f-a, ya, I would always do 32k

[19:30:54]

patdk-wk:

unless you attempting to run a database over nfs :)

[19:31:02]

patdk-wk:

or maybe, email

[19:31:17]

wagnerrp:

basically, you run "mythfs Recorded,'some formatting string' /some/mount/path"

[19:31:17]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: ok, with squid enabled, it loads

[19:31:23]

clever:

wtf

[19:31:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

patdk-wk: Nope. ;-) Just the video shares that aren't on Storage Groups

[19:31:36]

wagnerrp:

instead of running periodically on a cronjob and creating symlinks to local files

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patdk-wk:

heh, I just do one nfs export

[19:31:53]

patdk-wk:

I nfs mount /share

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wagnerrp:

it updates itself on a fairly short interval

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patdk-wk:

then I just mount all my drives under /share :)

[19:32:06]

wagnerrp:

and will pull content over mythprotocol if needed

[19:32:17]

clever:

patdk-wk: basicaly the same thing here, similar to J-e-f-f-A's paste

[19:32:18]

wagnerrp:

no local file access to files needed

[19:32:23]

clever:

a bunch of nfs mounts for each disk

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patdk-wk:

I used to do that, caused me too much pain

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J-e-f-f-A:

patdk-wk: Well, I run individual disks, and had to mount them seperately. When I tried to mount them on the backend, then share the 'parent' directory via NFS, it didn't work...

[19:32:57]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: cool, was just curious – thx

[19:32:57]

clever:

patdk-wk: yeah, i need to prepare for any shutdown carefully

[19:33:20]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: nfs can only share 1 filesystem

[19:33:32]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: the server cant see any mounts below the point its sharing

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patdk-wk:

it can share more

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patdk-wk:

if you put the crossmnt option

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clever:

but then the inode#'s could colide

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patdk-wk:

/share *(ro,no_subtree_check,async,crossmnt)

[19:34:20]

patdk-wk:

dunno, haven't had issues that I know about

[19:34:34]

clever:

use 'stat' to check the lost+found in each filesystem

[19:34:52]

clever:

its normaly at the same inode for every system, 11 on my end

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patdk-wk:

yep, #11 on all my 6 disks

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clever:

there are a few inode's that are generaly static, / /lost+found, the bad block list, and the journal

[19:35:58]

clever:

patdk-wk: how about via the nfs share, does the client see 11 all around?

[19:36:01]

patdk-wk:

let me check vis the nfs mount

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patdk-wk:

they all report #11

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patdk-wk:

and the correct time stamps

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dustybin:

clever: is your room still full of computer junk?

[19:36:51]

clever:

weird

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patdk-wk:

not the same timestamps for all

[19:37:09]

patdk-wk:

I think crossmnt renumbers the inodes

[19:37:17]

patdk-wk:

not sure

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clever:

dustybin: at the moment, the living room has 3 computers (2 desktop), a monitor strewn acorss half the furniture, and an AVR spiting the temp out over 2.4ghz

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dustybin:

o_0

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clever:

i'm reading this string from /dev/ttyUSB0

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clever:

20 + (07/16)

[19:38:02]

clever:

it repeats every 8 seconds

[19:39:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... making those changes only shaved 3 seconds off the WOL -> Ping reply time...

[19:39:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

and woops, now I can't connect via SSH to that box. (DOH!)

[19:39:37]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, you would need to install bootchart to get a better idea

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J-e-f-f-A:

Looks like I'll have to wait until I get home to work on this more... ;-)

[19:42:19]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: now if you used nfsroot, you could edit the filesystem even with it being toast

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clever:

then you just need a way to hard reset it remotely

[19:42:49]

clever:

and ive seen hacks that use the LPT port to prod the mobo's reset button

[19:43:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Hehehe... ;-) Yeah, it's not a big deal. I can fix it when I get home. Probably hung on one of the mounts. It's only the Living Room frontend – which my wife uses most of the time, and she's at work too.

[19:44:17]

clever:

ah, so you cant call her and yell 'push reset!'

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J-e-f-f-A:

Nope. probably wouldn't do any good anyways, as I need to access the shell locally to fix whatever it didn't like in the fstab...

[19:45:24]

clever:

which is where my nfsroot can come in handy

[19:45:33]

patdk-wk:

you don't run the computer on a networked ups? :)

[19:45:34]

clever:

though my serial console would also do

[19:45:49]

clever:

my main server pipes printk/dmesg out com2

[19:45:56]

clever:

and runs a getty on there

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clever:

so even without lan, i can get in and fix shit

[19:46:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

patdk-wk: hehe... nope. The frontends don't have UPSs... ;-) Just the important one – the backend and the Sat STB's...

[19:46:24]

patdk-wk:

my backend has a 3hour ups currently

[19:46:31]

patdk-wk:

frontents have 15min

[19:46:34]

clever:

my backend isnt on a ups atm, but the main nfs boot server does

[19:46:38]

clever:

and so does the router

[19:46:41]

patdk-wk:

the wifes has 1hour, she requires tv when the power is out

[19:46:47]

clever:

though one of the main switches doesnt

[19:47:12]

patdk-wk:

I have had the wife call me before that the tv went out and wouldn't come on

[19:47:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

patdk-wk: Nice... I've got a 1400VA ups, only good for about 20 mins with my backend (8hdds) – but also has my router, switches and sat receivers on it.

[19:47:23]

patdk-wk:

and I told her that the power has been out for over an hour at that point

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/hardy-2 . . . 1.png/_full_

[19:48:07]

clever:

patdk-wk: when i first tested my UPS, i put a massive and old TV on it

[19:48:17]

clever:

and wired about 10 12v batterys in parallel

[19:48:42]

patdk-wk:

I have 4 golfcart batterys, the ups wanted 24v

[19:48:49]

clever:

when the voltage got lower, it kicked into some secondary system, and pulled over 10 amps to try and maintain the 120vac

[19:48:54]

clever:

and made alot more noise

[19:49:15]

clever:

at that point, my multimeter leads started to get warm

[19:49:30]

clever:

thought the flimlsy jumper wires that where going everywhere didnt

[19:49:39]

** patdk-wk so can't connect to gallery.earthtools.ca **

[19:49:45]

clever:

atleast one of them had to have the full 10 amps

[19:49:49]

clever:

patdk-wk try again

[19:49:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: That can't be one of your machines – it's got a Core2 Duo processor!!!!

[19:50:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

[19:50:07]

patdk-wk:

clever, I am

[19:50:11]

patdk-wk:

no http, no ping, ...

[19:50:26]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: its dads work laptop

[19:50:32]

clever:

patdk-wk: ping is blocked

[19:50:36]

clever:

and dsl just cut out

[19:50:45]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: but you can clearly see which programs are slowing it down

[19:50:47]

clever:

and dsl is back

[19:50:57]

patdk-wk:

yuk, I hate sites hosted at home, never mind :)

[19:51:26]

clever:

we have called the isp to complain many times

[19:51:34]

clever:

'is the name/pw entered correctly'.....

[19:51:40]

clever:

'is the modem turned on'.....

[19:51:44]

patdk-wk:

that your hosting on dsl?

[19:51:52]

clever:

uhhh, it was working fine a minute ago, none of that is wrong:P

[19:52:07]

patdk-wk:

I have issues with latency, I can't stand it :)

[19:52:09]

clever:

no, that it constantly cuts out (for ~20 sec) and ocasions fails all together

[19:52:20]

** patdk-wk still can't connect **

[19:52:22]

clever:

the last time, one of there servers was down

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clever:

Jan 29 15:50:33 localhost kernel: FW: ping drop IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=74.95.90.234 DST=142.167.121.99 LEN=84 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x20 TTL=47 ID=0 DF PROTO=ICMP TYPE

[19:53:09]

clever:

i see you!

[19:53:15]

patdk-wk:

and http?

[19:53:29]

clever:

ok, try again

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clever:

root@newrouter:~# tcpdump -i ppp0 -n -p src 74.95.90.234

[19:54:01]

patdk-wk:

hmm, firefox must hate you

[19:54:04]

patdk-wk:

wget worked :)

[19:54:08]

clever:

i saw a push packet

[19:54:24]

clever:

maybe its similar to my pastebin.ca problems

[19:54:33]

clever:

firefox thru squid has no trouble

[19:54:39]

clever:

firefox alone cant load it

[19:54:43]

clever:

chrome alone cant load it

[19:55:39]

patdk-wk:

firefox though squid, hmm, not working

[19:56:21]

clever:

i'm not even seeing a SYN packet

[19:56:41]

clever:

ah yes, maybe its ipv6

[19:56:50]

patdk-wk:

I have ipv6 on and working :)

[19:56:58]

clever:

but my end hasnt been working lately

[19:57:10]

patdk-wk:

heh, well :)

[19:57:12]

clever:

let me see whats wrong with the utnnel

[19:57:21]

patdk-wk:

don't push out AAAA records then

[19:57:28]

clever:

it was working

[19:57:35]

clever:

then the DSL failed last week and my ip changed:P

[19:57:36]

patdk-wk:

:)

[19:57:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: dyndns?

[19:58:01]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: ipv6 doesnt rely on dns

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patdk-wk:

j-e-f-f-a, that won't work for a tunnel

[19:58:08]

clever:

i have to login to the tunnel and update my ip

[19:59:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

I go through a tunnel when I go to Logan Airport... ;-) (hehehe...)

[20:00:15]

clever:

Your tunnel endpoint has been updated to: 142.167.121.99

[20:00:27]

patdk-wk:

whoa, it worked

[20:00:59]

clever:

i guess the automatic IP update ppp connect failed

[20:01:37]

clever:

id check them, but updating it overwrote the files

[20:02:06]

clever:

the log files

[20:03:22]

clever:

patdk-wk: the last time i had ipv6 problems, the guy was using a MAC and it thought (wrongly) that ipv6 was working

[20:03:27]

clever:

so his end was wrong

[20:03:40]

patdk-wk:

hehe :)

[20:03:59]

patdk-wk:

I am a network admin, my network better be working :)

[20:04:12]

clever:

ive done some funky stuff with my own lan

[20:04:27]

clever:

i switched from 192.168.0.x to 10.0.0.0/25 without breaking a single tcp connection

[20:04:29]

patdk-wk:

http://www.maneshi.com/gallery/v/Users/sysadm . . . 7-3.png.html

[20:04:35]

patdk-wk:

that is this machine

[20:05:04]

clever:

basicaly, i set things up to allow both subnets to exist at once

[20:05:08]

clever:

and talk to eachother

[20:05:18]

clever:

so every system had 2 IP's

[20:05:33]

clever:

then i had iptables log everything on the 'wrong' ip, and weeded it out one by one

[20:05:59]

clever:

one day, the redhat9 rebooted (months later) and i discovered the all the ip config on the hdd wasnt changed:P

[20:07:33]

clever:

i see a slow fsck in there

[20:07:37]

clever:

but i also see heavy parallelism

[20:08:13]

clever:

last time i enabled that on gentoo, it broke everything

[20:09:03]

clever:

one of my bigest slowdowns on bootup is bootchart itself

[20:09:09]

clever:

it tries to render the .png

[20:09:21]

clever:

need to switch the dumb thing back to .svg

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patdk-wk:

well, I don't do bootchart on every boot

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patdk-wk:

only when I tell it to

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clever:

better to leave it in svg mode

[20:16:22]

clever:

then its alot faster

[20:16:39]

patdk-wk:

system booted in 25s

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clever:

though on gentoo i dont even have that, it just gives a .tar and doesnt even render it

[20:16:47]

patdk-wk:

38s for my to be logged in

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Der-Tim:

i heard, that analog cable scanning has been disabled as of mythtv version 0.22, is this correct?

[20:17:03]

patdk-wk:

yep

[20:17:10]

wagnerrp:

not exactly

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wagnerrp:

the channel scanner was rewritten in 0.22

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Der-Tim:

what can i do to reenable it? i just got a hauppauge pvr-500 and i'd like to use it

[20:17:54]

wagnerrp:

and the analog scanner was never re-implemented

[20:17:59]

clever:

Der-Tim: are you using an STB?

[20:18:02]

wagnerrp:

not so much disabled, as not yet written

[20:18:25]

Der-Tim:

wagnerrp: so, what can i do? only using an older version?

[20:18:41]

clever:

Der-Tim: an external tuner would work just fine without a scanner

[20:18:46]

Der-Tim:

clever: sorry for my maybe stupid question... but what is a STB?

[20:18:54]

wagnerrp:

set-top-box

[20:18:54]

clever:

set top box

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Der-Tim:

clever: yes, got it... ;-) sorry... no, i'm using a pvr-500 manufactured by hauppauge

[20:19:34]

clever:

you would use the stb AND the pvr-500

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wagnerrp:

he means are you using it as a tuner? or as video capture from another device

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Der-Tim:

as a tuner

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wagnerrp:

either way, it makes no difference to scanning

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clever:

wagnerrp: does QT have a SOAP interface?

[20:21:02]

wagnerrp:

you still have to provide a channel lineup to mythtv

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wagnerrp:

clever: i have no idea

[20:21:41]

wagnerrp:

cant claim to know much about QT, SOAP, or serialization methods in general

[20:22:00]

clever:

SOAP is basicaly RPC over XML over HTTP over TCP

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clever:

wrap it to death and you waste about 80% of your bandwidth :P

[20:22:19]

patdk-wk:

over ip, over ethernet, over ....

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mrand:

wagnerrp: how does a user provide an analog channel lineup to myth without scanning within myth? Are there external programs that will scan and feed to myth?

[20:22:33]

Der-Tim:

wagnerrp: channel lineup shouldn't be a problam, as i have all frequencies here

[20:22:42]

mrand:

Just a lot of typing?

[20:22:53]

wagnerrp:

mrand: for now... pretty much

[20:22:53]

clever:

ive had to use soap before for an old project, and it looks like a usefull way to share functions in bulk

[20:23:10]

Der-Tim:

not even typing, i have a frequencies list here

[20:23:17]

wagnerrp:

US users never did scan, as schedulesdirect (and formerly zap2it) provide a lineup

[20:23:28]

Der-Tim:

wagnerrp: so, what do i have to do right noe?

[20:23:29]

Der-Tim:

now?

[20:23:48]

wagnerrp:

other users, you either need to manually add the channels, or scan with 0.21 and then upgrade

[20:24:09]

wagnerrp:

you dont need the frequencies, just the channel numbers

[20:24:45]

Der-Tim:

those like SE05 and so on?

[20:25:02]

wagnerrp:

should just be an integer

[20:25:24]

wagnerrp:

mythtv should have some channel map between an integer value and a frequency

[20:25:31]

wagnerrp:

for analog channels, mythtv only takes the integer

[20:26:04]

AndyCap_:

iirc there was characters for S-channels earlier at least.

[20:26:13]

patdk-wk:

heh? myth can't do quarter hz? :)

[20:26:16]

Der-Tim:

mmh, ok, but how do i get an integer out of the frequencies?

[20:26:20]

AndyCap_:

but since my cable-co had frequencies I just stuffed freq into it.

[20:27:55]

Der-Tim:

AndyCap_: and where did you put those frequencies?

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AndyCap_:

Der-Tim: umm, not quite sure now. Maybe I did something evil and manipulated the database table.

[20:30:55]

Der-Tim:

mmh, ok, i see

[20:31:17]

Der-Tim:

wagnerrp: what can i do for now, if i don't want to reinstall with 0.21?

[20:31:27]

AndyCap_:

Der-Tim: I guess these are some of the ones you were thinking of names http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperband

[20:32:08]

AndyCap_:

does entering a frequency in Hz into freqid in mythweb work?

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high-rez:

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Der-Tim:

is analog scanning available in 0.21

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Der-Tim:

?

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high-rez:

I think so.

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high-rez:

Is analog still available?

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devinheitmueller:

Der-Tim: yes.

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devinheitmueller:

The analog scanning support was not reimplemented in 0.22.

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SnakesAndStuff:

Anyone here use a homemade antenna? Or know if they work at all?

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high-rez:

I built one and it worked better than a more expensive store bought antenna

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high-rez:

but not nicer than a really nice professional antenna

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clever:

high-rez: who cares how it looks, just hide it up a tree or in the attic :P

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high-rez:

clever: I think you misread. I didn't say anything about how it looked. :)

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clever:

it worked better but not nicer?

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high-rez:

Right, it works better than a $30 store bought antenna (which is more expensive than what it cost to make) but not better than a higher end professional antenna that I replaced it with.

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high-rez:

So I had a cheap $30 yaggi. It worked, but not well. Just not enough surface area. I replaced it with a home-made antenna. This worked better than the small yaggi

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high-rez:

But the deisgn lacked a rear reflector

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clever:

ah

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SnakesAndStuff:

high-rez: But better than just rabbit ears?

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high-rez:

Yes, much better.

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SnakesAndStuff:

K, I'm getting skips etc in stations that are nearby.... just using rabbit ears though

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SnakesAndStuff:

maybe I'll build one and it'll be better.

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J-e-f-f-A:

high-rez: I've got a large yagi... 75mile range... ;-) $30 at Rat Shack when i bought it... ;-)

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high-rez:

Yeah, the problem with the huge yaggis is that they are huge ;)

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high-rez:

And seem to work better outdoors than indoors.

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mag0o:

2x4 + romex cable and i get about a 60 mile radius

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high-rez:

which is true of all antennas i'm sure

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J-e-f-f-A:

Something like 40" ... IIRC. Doesn't matter to me, it's on the roof. ;-)

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high-rez:

I have my channel master in the attic ;)

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high-rez:

Works excellent

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high-rez:

it's connected to a HDHR.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Mine too.

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high-rez:

The HDHR is a great device.

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high-rez:

Have you experimented with cable length with the HDHR ?

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Der-Tim:

anyone knows, which mythtv version is used in mythbuntu 9.04?

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** J-e-f-f-A agrees **

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doje:

.21 probably

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high-rez:

I've got a long coax run to it, was thinking about puting it in the attic too

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doje:

Der-Tim: ^^

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J-e-f-f-A:

high-rez: No – but I've got about 70' of cable between my Antenna on the roof to my basement, then a 2-way splitter into the HDHR.

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patdk-wk:

9.04 is 0.21, 9.10 is 0.22

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J-e-f-f-A:

high-rez: My cable is overkill – RG6-QS

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doje:

Der-Tim: do you know how to tell what version of mythbuntu you're running?

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doje:

Der-Tim: I could look on mine

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high-rez:

Yeah I'm considerably shorther than that. I think I'm about 20'

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high-rez:

To be honest, I barely ever use the atsc anymore. So little on network tv.

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J-e-f-f-A:

high-rez: If I put mine in the attic, it would be about a 30 or 40' run if I put it at my access point to the Attic...

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J-e-f-f-A:

high-rez: I'd be concerned about the effects of the temp ranges here in the northeast... Right now it's below freezing, and in the summer the attic can be > 100 degrees...

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Der-Tim:

doje: i installed a fresh 9.10... 9.10's using mythtv 0.22

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J-e-f-f-A:

Der-Tim: Then why are you asking about 9.04?

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doje:

looks like I'm running 8.10 anyways

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Der-Tim:

J-e-f-f-A: cause i'd like to know if mythtv is still on 0.21 in 9.04... i need analog scanning

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high-rez:

Yeah pacific northwest stays the same temperature pretty much the entire year ;)

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doje:

Der-Tim: let me know if you have any issues; I'll be installed that once I get the backend working with the new cable boxes

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doje:

*installing*

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sphery:

my 1300+ recording backlog from OTA ATSC makes me wonder whether high-rez or I is wrong about how much is on network TV... :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Der-Tim: Ah, well, I don't know then. I've been running myth for years, but never with Analog tuners, always with external STB's...

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doje:

J-e-f-f-A: firewire ?

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high-rez:

sphery: Sorry, there's not much on that I am interested in. I get the usualys, fox,cbs,abc,nbc,pbs, and a ton of jesus tv.

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high-rez:

sperhy: My favorite shows are pretty much all on premium channels though.

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doje:

I just installed openSUSE 11.2 for my backend and I can't get Myth working with firewire

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J-e-f-f-A:

doje: Not yet... ;-) But I'll be switching to FiOS TV soon (HD), so I'll cross that bridge when I get there. So far I've been using 3 Hauppauge tuners with S-Video and Analog audio from Dish STB's, plus a HDHR for ATSC HD.

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high-rez:

What happens when the hdhr gets cable card? Will you be able to record premium channels in HD? E.g. HBO?

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doje:

J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, that was my setup (minus HD) until about a year ago Dish and PVR150's (which I still have if anyone wants em)

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J-e-f-f-A:

doje: Check the message archives – there's been a bit of traffic about firewire issues, and Jarod has offered a possible workaround.

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doje:

J-e-f-f-A: awesome, do you have a url per chance ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

high-rez: No, as the DRM crap is nasty – it still records to disk encrypted from what I understand...

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J-e-f-f-A:

doje: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/

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high-rez:

That's so lame. It seems devices like the HDPVR has killed their ability to really control that stuff, they're just making it more difficult.

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doje:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks! :-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

high-rez: It's the nature of the 'cablecard' beast... :-(

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high-rez:

If you have a subscription you should be able to recordx.

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J-e-f-f-A:

high-rez: My understanding is that in MCE, it records, but encrypted. And if I'm not mistaken, it's passed on to the video device encrypted... And the chipset in the display decodes it. So no commercial detection, etc. either.

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high-rez:

But how does the chipset get the key ?

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high-rez:

Does it ask the cable card for the decryption key/

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high-rez:

At some point you need to get the key – so the hdhr would have a mechanism where you can request it to ask the card for the key no?

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J-e-f-f-A:

high-rez: I don't really know the specific details – but it was discussed on the mailing list in recent past (and/or IRC?)

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J-e-f-f-A:

high-rez: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . card;#416777

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high-rez:

jeff see my msg ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

actually, I think that's the wrong one ... humm.

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high-rez:

no it has the pertinant info in it

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SnakesAndStuff:

If I want to use mplayer to play back .iso files in mythvideo, how do I pass the .iso to the mplayer command line?

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SnakesAndStuff:

in the file type menu... does %s pass the filename? or is it like %1 or something else?

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doje:

so I installed myth-0_22-backend from packman and it was missing /etc/sysconfig/mythbackend — where should I report that ?

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iamlindoro:

to whomever your packager is

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doje:

thanks, that's kind of what i was trying to figure out – I found it

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skd5aner:

when's BSP start?

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jams:

kormoc- you here?

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kormoc:

Yes I am

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jams:

awesome. know of any good tools to profile the loading of a webpage.

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kormoc:

Aye, client or server site?

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jams:

things like total loadtime, load time for external queries

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kormoc:

*side

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jams:

both actually

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jams:

right now i'm concerned about client side

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clever:

jams: xdebug is nice for php

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kormoc:

Client side, firebug + google's pagespeed or yslow are the best

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clever:

for sql, i just replaced every mysql_query with mmysql_query

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stuarta:

skd5aner: whenever you fancy -> #mythtv-bsp

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clever:

my custom function then logs anything thats slow and some session stuff so i know what it was doing

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: its listed for saturday and sunday

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kormoc:

server side, depends on the language of the engine, php has xdebug that will do a cachegrind profile that you can view with kcachegrind or similar and get full profile of that load

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wagnerrp:

but like stuarta said, whenever you want to start

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jams:

it's jsp

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kormoc:

jams, http://code.google.com/speed/page-speed/ http://developer.yahoo.com/yslow/

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jams:

thanks

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clever:

kormoc: yeah, xdebug helped me find a exec() i was abusing and forgot about

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kormoc:

yeah, donno what profilers are available for jsp, but I'm sure there's one or two

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jams:

i need to convince the powers that be, that adding every known tracking thing out there is a bad idea and hurts us

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: It's Saturday somewhere :D

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jams:

they started adding that stuff and now our website is noticable slower

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kormoc:

Ahh, yeah, the firebug network panel might just be enough, it'll show a break down of load times, execute times, time when domready fires, etc

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jams:

that should work

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kormoc:

http://getfirebug.com/

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clever:

jams: yeah, ive found that certain SQL querys will cripple the server if SQL profiling is on

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dustybin:

clever: are you a PC, was Windows 7 your idea?

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clever:

dustybin: i think the blame goes to one of my SQL functions, it accesses alot of rows in a table, many times

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clever:

which seems to make 1000's of entrys in the profile log

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clever:

consuming over 200mb of mysql memory

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tank-man:

my idea

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tank-man:

MS never thought about making programs not crash, that was the blond in the coffee shop's idea

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jams:

haha Grade F for http request

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jams:

make fewer http requests

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doje:

iamlindoro: actually it looks like the file is there, it just didn't get copied from /var/adm/fillup-template for some reason

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J-e-f-f-A:

stuarta: Nice touch: "Play Nice" ;-)

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: thats been there for a while now

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Ah, so he just added the Bug Squishing part. ;-)

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c4t3l:

does anyone here have any success stories concerning STB's and serial connectivity controlled by mythtv?

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J-e-f-f-A:

c4t3l: that would probably only be older DirecTV users... [sorry, I'm not one of them... IR changing here]

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c4t3l:

its cool

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c4t3l:

i was hoping to avoid using an IR blaster but it seems thats impossible with charter

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c4t3l:

the tech support told me that the serial port was not even wired up, but I have captured data from the port that proves otherwise

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c4t3l:

meh

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J-e-f-f-A:

'Human readabe' data, or binary data? Any luck w/Google?

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c4t3l:

its binary

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c4t3l:

I've managed to get my hands on the tech manual for the STB, but the cable co has deliberately diabled a "listner"

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c4t3l:

disabled**

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c4t3l:

i tried the dct channel changing scripts bundled with mythtv, but they all failed

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c4t3l:

so I hooked up minicom to the port and captured the stream

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c4t3l:

its basically all the data you get from viewing the diagnostic screen

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J-e-f-f-A:

Well, ir blasters aren't all that bad... It's all I've been able to use since "day one" of my MythTV days using Dish Network receivers.

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c4t3l:

an IR blaster would be the easier solution at this point, but I'm interested in what I can do the dct via serial interface :P

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c4t3l:

J-e-f-f-A: any ir blaster you could reccomend?

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clever:

c4t3l: if enabled, the serial is basicaly the same as ir blasting

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clever:

just a diff protocol

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clever:

atleast thats what i understand from reading it over

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clever:

mine has never worked

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c4t3l:

clever: i've been struggling with it for almost a week. I couldnt get the python channel changing script to work so I did some digging

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clever:

is the serial port enabled?

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stuarta:

J-e-f-f-A: that's been there a while

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wagnerrp:

almost my exact words

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c4t3l:

clever: according to charter, it isn't wired up. That's bs cuz I got a data dump from the serial port

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stuarta:

i noticed after i wrote it :)

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clever:

c4t3l: i also got garbage from mine one day, but then it just stopped working and the channel changer never worked

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c4t3l:

clever: there is a listener missing from the STB side called app_if enable

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c4t3l:

clever: who is your cable provider?

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clever:

rogers

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c4t3l:

charter here

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c4t3l:

i even found the tech support telephone number for motorola, but they declined to help me

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clever:

yeah, you have to call the provider up and have them enable it

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clever:

assuming the firmware is new enough

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J-e-f-f-A:

c4t3l I use a buffered serial blaster myself.

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c4t3l:

I'm not gonna give up on it just yet. I figure I'll keep calling until I get a rep with some smarts

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: got more info on how those work?

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: i could probly make one with the uC's ive been playing with lately

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c4t3l:

couldn't you conceivably use an arduino to make one?

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clever:

c4t3l: thats overkill, ive already got a bare AVR chip

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clever:

it runs fine on its own

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c4t3l:

ah cool

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TauPan:

weird... I wonder why my audio sync is exactly -400ms off

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Serial blaster? It's basically 'bit-banging' the serial port to generate the ir waveform.

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, but bit banging 40khz isnt easy for the pc and it seems to screw up alot

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: which is why i was looking into a more buffer one which has external components to offload the work

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c4t3l:

oh guys btw... don't while loop a bunch of 1's to a dct2000. :(

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clever:

?

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c4t3l:

it'll crash faster than the hindenburg

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clever:

lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

Clever mine has been ok... but I'm running an amd 64 6000+ too... (but was fine even on my 4200+)

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: 400mhz P2 here

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c4t3l:

amd 64 3200

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J-e-f-f-A:

I threw out some old p3 an d p4's recently...

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dherde:

Hi.. If I am compiling mythtv v 0.22, which file do I manipulate to specify the options I want to inclde (or exclude) before I ./configure?

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: i was using a P4, but the lirc drivers began to act up and i couldnt afford constantly rebooting

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wagnerrp:

dherde: have you ever compiled code before?

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clever:

and i had moved framegrabber->pvr, so i didnt need the cpu power anymore

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TauPan:

the point of using configure is that you can give all options as switches to configure

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TauPan:

dherde: try ./configure --help for a list

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dherde:

I am learning.. I compiled em28xx drivers, nvidia 190 drivers. etc.. But I am still new

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wagnerrp:

like TauPan stated, configure IS the file you use to include or exclude options

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c4t3l:

clever: nice.

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wagnerrp:

you run configure with a number of options

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wagnerrp:

and it sets up your Makefiles to compile with your options

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Der-Tim:

i'm finally back, scanned all analog frequencies, found some, added some manually

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c4t3l:

do the mythtv developers develop mainly on debain?

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c4t3l:

debian** ouch :(

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dherde:

Do I have to add the options after the ./configure command, or can I specify them correctly in the configure script file?

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Der-Tim:

in my list, there are channel identifiers like E10 ... i remember, that they have to be changed in a special way... anyone knows how?

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wagnerrp:

c4t3l: the devs use a wide variety of distros

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wagnerrp:

there is no one more common than another

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wagnerrp:

dherde: its a command... you add options on the command line

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wagnerrp:

something such as './configure --enable-ivtv --disable-firewire --enable-proc-opts'

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wagnerrp:

note that you probably shouldnt be setting any options

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wagnerrp:

as the defaults should be sufficient for most users

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dherde:

I understand.. I was hoping to do it from wwithn the script so I could repeat the process easilly if I messed up.

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clever:

i generaly disable things i know i will never need

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clever:

dherde: you can just make a 2nd script

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wagnerrp:

dherde: myth's configure logs itself to config.log

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wagnerrp:

as long as you dont delete that file

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clever:

or read that log

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c4t3l:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

it will store a history all compile lines

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wagnerrp:

just tail it, and grab the last line

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clever:

`tail -n1 config.log` is what i used to use

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Der-Tim:

wagnerrp: do you know how to translate those channel identifiers like E10, S<whatever> to channel identifiers which mythtv does understand?

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wagnerrp:

Der-Tim: i have no idea what those are, i have never heard of channels being anything other than a simple integer

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** J-e-f-f-A uses "./configure --previous" alot... ;-) **

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TauPan:

mythtv understands E10

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TauPan:

you just have to use europe-west (or similar) as frequency table

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dherde:

Actually, I have come to understand that I need to change a bunch of options like enabling pulse audio, dbv, v4l,

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dherde:

the deeper I get into it, the more I find that the 0.22 configure isn't right for me.

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kormoc:

enabling pulse audio just enables the frontend to kill/suspend pulse audio, it's not really support for using pulse

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wagnerrp:

dherde: dvb and v4l are enabled by default

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J-e-f-f-A:

dherde – What??? I've never had a problem w/fedora unless I was missing a dependency.

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wagnerrp:

dherde: its unlikely you will have to set any configure options to get mythtv running

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dherde:

Dependecies and dvpau was where it started.

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wagnerrp:

dependencies have nothing to do with configure, unless youre forcing them into some non-standard location

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wagnerrp:

and vdpau is enabled by default

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