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[00:00:36] DoZeR_Dude_: I've tried to delete several times within MythTV and even deleted the files from my hard drive, but I can't remove them from the Recorded section
[00:00:46] DoZeR_Dude_: also, I am unable to record new shows
[00:02:25] SirColin: have you check the file permissions
[00:02:31] DoZeR_Dude_: yes
[00:02:53] DoZeR_Dude_: the issue started after I watched live tv through Boxee
[00:03:13] SirColin: just a Guess!
[00:05:29] DoZeR_Dude_: the weird thing is that I can still watch livetv
[00:06:16] TauPan: did you click the "mark for auto-expire instead of delete" checkbox?
[00:06:37] DoZeR_Dude_: nope
[00:06:53] TauPan: and I seem to remember mythtv gets confused if you delete files it still has in its database
[00:07:48] DoZeR_Dude_: I haven't had an issue with it in the past
[00:10:27] DoZeR_Dude_: it seems to be adding all LiveTV to the recorded shows list and I can't delete any of it
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[00:15:38] skd5aner: hmmm, Graphite truncates both "store" options the same in the Custom Recording screen so I can't tell a difference between the options
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[00:20:41] skd5aner: haha — Terra does the same
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[00:58:15] SnakesAndStuff: Hello
[00:58:19] Geoff918: I just installed Mythbuntu 9.10 and can't seem to pull any signal in from my PCHDTV-5500 card. No signal, I'm not sure what's going on, exactly. Any ideas? (I've been working through the forums but nothing helpful yet).
[00:58:54] SnakesAndStuff: Thanks for the help over the last couple of days... playing around with mplayer options and disabling compiz etc has gotten playback of most movies in the 7–20% cpu usage range.
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[01:03:53] cesman: Geoff918: QAM, OTA? you need to provide more details
[01:04:38] Geoff918: QAM, OTA?
[01:05:04] cesman: you cannot get a signal...
[01:05:21] cesman: are you attempt to get a signal via OverTheAir or QAM (google it)
[01:05:24] Geoff918: Well, there's not enough information for me to diagnose the issue. The card is recognized.
[01:05:48] Geoff918: Direct cable connection, through Comcast Cable service--USA
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[01:06:46] cesman: depending on your provider, there is _no_ gaurantee that you'll get anything over QAM
[01:07:11] wagnerrp: cesman: well hes comcast, which means the US
[01:07:26] wagnerrp: which means his provider is _required_ to provide the local 'must-carry' channels
[01:07:28] cesman: you should ge the broadcast channels, however your provider may not care what the FCC states (until you complain loud enough)
[01:07:29] elmojo: anyone know the proper way to clear a seek table in the database?
[01:07:33] Geoff918: well, maybe something changed. I had researched some of that. It showed that my area has some users that are receiving channels
[01:07:53] wagnerrp: but yeah, its likely you wont receive more than those broadcast channels
[01:08:01] cesman: wagnerrp: right
[01:08:39] Geoff918: If I could get *something* that would be a good start
[01:08:40] Geoff918: As far as I know, this should not be a digital signal issue.
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[01:10:19] mchou: what's the state of of closed captioning display for atsc/dvb streams for myth? I'm getting truncated captions
[01:10:45] mchou: the mpg has full captions
[01:11:02] mchou: so it seems like only a display/decode issue
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[01:11:53] mchou: oh crap
[01:12:11] mchou: I think myth cc display doesnt like newlines
[01:12:52] mchou: that would really suck if it's really the case
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[01:31:47] jolaren: I have a Cinemaster C 3.0 card in an old computer which I use as a ubuntu server now, I wonder if that card can be used for anything. I know it's a tv-card tuner but I can't find for what..
[01:33:01] wagnerrp: its a *output* card, not a tuner
[01:33:43] wagnerrp: designed for playback of DVDs 13 years ago, back when your average computer couldnt manage SD mpeg2
[01:34:04] jolaren: then I might be typing out the wrong card
[01:34:16] jolaren: I have a "tv" thing on the backside where I can put the TV cable in
[01:34:26] jolaren: or perhaps that can be done on that same
[01:34:33] Geoff918: oh well, I got the card working, and yes, I'm able to pull in signal. I also can access channels I'm not actually subscribed to. I guess I'm in. Thanks guys.
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[01:35:05] jolaren: wagnerrp; or am I mistaking myself now?
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[01:35:47] wagnerrp: jolaren: run lspci, and pastebin the results
[01:36:45] jolaren: wagnerrp; http://paste.ubuntu.com/363578/
[01:37:16] wagnerrp: the tuner card is the bt878 card
[01:37:21] wagnerrp: a framegrabber
[01:37:28] jolaren: is it useless?
[01:37:41] wagnerrp: many in here would say so
[01:38:04] wagnerrp: some people still use framegrabbers for analog capture
[01:38:26] jolaren: What exactly is "the analog" channels?
[01:38:28] wagnerrp: but the suggested mpeg encoder cards (ivtvdriver.org) are far less painful
[01:39:29] jolaren: I see
[01:39:50] jolaren: I've purschased a phoenix reader and now I just need a dvb-t pci card then I guess
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[01:40:10] jolaren: Is it stupid to buy a second hand card?
[01:41:43] Dagmar: If it's a framegrabber
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[01:43:21] jolaren: Dagmar; ?
[01:44:14] Dagmar: If you buy a framegrabber, used or not, you probably wasted your money
[01:44:34] wagnerrp: anything more than ~$5 is too much for such a card
[01:45:14] Dagmar: They're not very useful for DVRs, they require oodles of CPU power to make sure they don't drop frames, and most of them are a little screwey as an added bonus--just to make them harder to set up
[01:45:46] jolaren: So I will have a pain to test this card out?
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[01:46:30] elmojo: sphery: any chance you command line parser changes recently broke mythtranscode?
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[01:52:08] Dagmar: jolaren: It'll be a pain to test it, it'll be a pain to use it, and when you finally obtain a decent hardware accellerated card you'll curse every day you put up with the framegrabber
[01:52:36] jolaren: Dagmar; When you put it that way I'm not really in the mood for testing ;)
[01:52:57] iamlindoro: Dagmar, Spare me the wiki rants. I'll let you edit the page again when you have proven that you can be civil both here and on the wiki. Your condescending writing there, and your behavior towards users here is deplorable.
[01:53:29] Dagmar: I was no such thing.
[01:53:46] Dagmar: You went off the deep end.
[01:53:51] iamlindoro: To be frank, and because you are obviously looking for a fight, your "help" here is more trouble than it is worth most days. When you have proven that you can be courteous and patient without fail, then you will get some wiggle room, and not a moment sooner, end of discussion
[01:53:55] Dagmar: I'm still left clueless as to why
[01:54:16] Dagmar: I was in the middle of moving the freaking text out to it's own page and you went ballistic, locked the page, and then came in here and threatened me
[01:54:29] Dagmar: I've got a better idea.
[01:54:32] Dagmar: Fuck you
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[01:54:39] iamlindoro: And to be even more clear, I am keeping you on a short leash from now on. Treat a user with even mild disrespect and you will be silenced. Use profanity and break other rules and you'll see yourself banned. The nd.
[01:54:47] iamlindoro: lovely.
[01:55:15] iamlindoro: Anyone remember my threatening him? Aside from with the enforcement of our rules?
[01:55:38] Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro
[01:56:09] Mode for #mythtv-users by iamlindoro!n=iamlindo@unaffiliated/iamlindoro : +b Dagmar!*@*
[01:56:15] jolaren: Fighting on the internet is just like special olympics, Dagmar and iamlindoro.. Even if you win your still a retard ;)
[01:56:29] Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro
[01:56:58] iamlindoro: jolaren, This has nothing to do with fighting-- this channel has rules, and Dagmar felt he was above them. That's the last of that we'll be accepting around here.
[01:57:27] iamlindoro: and has nothing to do with the present discussion, but literal *years* of abuse of new users on his part
[01:57:29] iamlindoro: the end
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[02:00:26] newbie005: greetings, I'd like to get the commericals, and categorize them. Any tips/ideas to do this?
[02:00:47] iamlindoro: newbie005, You want to capture the commercials themselves?
[02:01:06] newbie005: iamlindoro well extract them from the shows I'm watching
[02:01:29] iamlindoro: Myth is more designed for the suppression of commercials, and not for breaking out multiple files from a single recording
[02:01:47] iamlindoro: You could do commercial flagging and invert the flags, but that would just give you one giant mass of commercials
[02:01:58] newbie005: perhaps a video editor then?
[02:02:02] iamlindoro: to split out individual commercials, you will need to do manual editing
[02:02:34] newbie005: what would be nice is a set of flags, the flagging now is on of off, but a red flag/green flag system would be good for me
[02:02:46] Captain_Murdoch: newbie005, you can use the cutlist editor to create a cutlist that contains just the single commercial, then manually run mythtranscode to copy that porition out to a new file. then change the cutlist o the next commercial, rerun mythtranscode, lather, rinse, repeat. I've done similar with music videos.
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[02:03:17] newbie005: does mythtv work well with some other video editor? I think I tried avidemux before and had to covert them before using them
[02:03:37] newbie005: ah yes that would do it
[02:03:39] wagnerrp: mythtv does not work at all with some other video editor
[02:03:44] wagnerrp: they were completely independently
[02:03:47] wagnerrp: work
[02:04:04] iamlindoro: Issues in cutting recordings have little to do with myth in general and more to do with brokenness of the stream that you wouldn't notice in just watching it
[02:04:22] iamlindoro: If you've had to remux in the past, it's usually because of that, to smooth out minor broadcast glitches
[02:04:30] newbie005: really what I would like is a video editor inside of mythtv that could work (splice/insert) with flv files
[02:04:45] wagnerrp: any editor you want that can edit mpeg2 files can edit myth's recordings, and theres nothing mythtv can possibly do to block or facilitate that
[02:05:52] newbie005: are there any video editing projects on the horizon for mythtv?
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[02:06:05] newbie005: linux doesn't really video edit I guess
[02:06:13] kormoc: has nothing to do with the os
[02:06:14] wagnerrp: linux is nothing more than a kernel
[02:06:21] wagnerrp: mythtv already has a video editor
[02:06:23] kormoc: more that we're just not really a project about video editing
[02:06:27] iamlindoro: Linux also has a number of pretty high end video editors
[02:06:51] wagnerrp: its just only designed for deleting sections of an existing video
[02:06:54] newbie005: I tried the cineralla one before, it's like a sledgehammer when I'm looking for a spoon
[02:07:54] newbie005: I set all my recordings to be transcoded after they are recorded. I'm not sure what that means. Did the original file change?
[02:08:03] mkrufky: iamlindoro: the incident with captions
[02:08:10] iamlindoro: Avidemux2 is a good light video editor, and vlmc is coming from the VLC guys
[02:08:19] mkrufky: mythtv didnt schedule it automatically ... but now i have it recording
[02:08:32] mkrufky: just letting u know, in case you dont have it recording too ;-)
[02:08:39] newbie005: yeah I'm looking forward to vlmc
[02:08:43] iamlindoro: mkrufky, heh, I sort of don't like the captioned stuff
[02:08:44] skd5aner: iamlindoro: yay for someone standing up for newb's rights :D
[02:09:06] ** mkrufky shall not miss *any* LOST footage ... and im totally buggin over the fact that there are four minutes that i missed **
[02:09:14] iamlindoro: skd5aner, had to be done. I hate to think how many worthwhile users and potential contributors have been burned over the years
[02:09:26] iamlindoro: I feel bad, but nobody can say I didn't give numerous fair warnings
[02:09:55] iamlindoro: and this community is going to become moderately friendly/welcoming if it sends me to the nuthouse
[02:10:04] skd5aner: well – I've always abstained and tried to stay out of the middle of it, but needless to say, I've been using MythTV since 2004, and I've always avoided IRC for many of those reason
[02:10:06] skd5aner: s
[02:10:17] skd5aner: newb or not
[02:10:55] iamlindoro: mkrufky, Heh, maybe I'll record it just to re-acclimate myself to LOST :)
[02:10:57] skd5aner: anyway – moving along
[02:11:00] newbie005: was captioning removed or changed? I've never used it myself
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[02:11:19] iamlindoro: newbie005, No, we're referring to LOST with the "pop up video" hints and extra info
[02:12:02] newbie005: oh I see
[02:12:56] mkrufky: have you not re-seen the finale lately?
[02:13:03] iamlindoro: mkrufky, not lately
[02:13:21] mkrufky: it gets better each time
[02:13:47] mkrufky: i saw it once recently, and not for a while... . and i guess ill start watching this popup one in a little bit
[02:13:56] ** skd5aner gets fairly frustrated that LOST's off-season is soooooo long between seasons **
[02:14:11] mkrufky: i agree, but.... this time around, i was fine with it
[02:14:15] iamlindoro: skd5aner, only one more week of the last off-season for it ever
[02:14:16] skd5aner: too easy to forget what the heck was going on
[02:14:24] skd5aner: very true
[02:14:26] mkrufky: today was the last tuesday in 2010
[02:14:46] wagnerrp: huh?
[02:15:17] mkrufky: upcoming tuesdays shall occur in 2004 or 2007 until further notice
[02:15:26] skd5aner: I feel like I need to go rent the full last season on DVD to get refamiliarized with the thousand details that have left my brain in the 8 months since it's been off-air
[02:15:29] mkrufky: im just bein silly...
[02:15:35] skd5aner: which is probably intentional on the part of ABC
[02:15:44] wagnerrp: is this some reference to how disjointed Lost's story line is?
[02:15:48] skd5aner: I bet DVD rentals/sales for LOST are strong
[02:16:11] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, nah, a reference to the "reset the timeline" plotline of last season
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[02:16:56] skd5aner: LOST has the highest priority of my recording rules – if it doesn't record, my wife might consider it grounds for divorce
[02:18:23] skd5aner: iamlindoro: the other day, I brought up some truncation items on a few screens within Graphite – I found a couple more tonight that basically make it completely impossible to determine what the setting is...
[02:18:49] iamlindoro: skd5aner, I may revisit Graphite sometime in the future, but that time is not tonight ;)
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[02:19:13] skd5aner: would it be beneficial to submit a ticket? I can understand truncating long items, but this is just standard settings
[02:19:46] skd5aner: I'd be happy to try and find the various pages/settings, at least so that when you (or someone else) gets around to it, they know where to look
[02:20:02] iamlindoro: skd5aner, you can submit a ticket, just don't know when I will look
[02:20:26] skd5aner: k – just didn't want to flood trac with something that would be flagged "invalid" or something
[02:20:46] iamlindoro: no, if the textareas are genuinely too small, it's worth a ticket
[02:20:50] skd5aner: I found the some of the same issues in Terra, so I can check across some of the newer themes
[02:21:03] skd5aner: k – I'll get something up tomorrow – thx
[02:23:22] skd5aner: while I'm at it, I've got a recording that triggers a segfault – I've submitted the ticket and backtrace, but it hasn't been triaged yet – was curious if anyone would be interested in looking at it for .23?
[02:24:18] skd5aner: #7709
[02:24:30] iamlindoro: If you've submitted the sample and backtrace, there's little more you can do-- most of the video output folks don't hang out here
[02:24:53] iamlindoro: most of the tickets will get looked at at least once before .23, I would remain patient
[02:25:26] skd5aner: yea – np, I think I know the cause and have been able to work around it
[02:26:05] iamlindoro: It's also very very possible that the new videooutput stuff will solve it, as minimally it's brand new from-scratch code
[02:26:31] skd5aner: yea – I think the recording is probably corrupted, which is triggering the segfault
[02:27:22] iamlindoro: I know that Mark is churning through most of the video playback tickets, and if he takes a look, there's a better-than average chance of it being solved properly
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[02:27:37] iamlindoro: plus, BSP coming up
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[02:27:46] skd5aner: I'd just rather see myth exit gracefully rather than it trigger the crash... but I think I've figured out why the recordings were getting corrupted, so I don't really experience the problem with the new recordings
[02:28:59] skd5aner: I believe the root cause of the corruption was that my HD-PVR would begin recording before my STB was fully tuned
[02:29:27] skd5aner: I was able to put a wait in the channel change script, since then – no problems :)
[02:30:05] iamlindoro: Generally speaking the HD-PVR is unable to begin recording without a signal from the STB, but anything's possible I suppose
[02:30:22] skd5aner: Well, what happens is that a signal starts, but then it flutters a couple times
[02:30:23] iamlindoro: and some people definitely do see less recorder failed errors with a little more sleep in their channel change scripts
[02:31:24] skd5aner: either way – I've saved the recording so I can replicate the problem and test if needed
[02:32:46] skd5aner: BSP?
[02:32:58] iamlindoro: Bug Squashing Party
[02:33:11] skd5aner: ha – nice, there's a TLA for everything
[02:33:33] wagnerrp: was wondering what a binary space partitioning file had to do with mythtv
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[02:44:14] wagnerrp: theyre going to drill into a pocket of 'energy', which will crash your plane
[02:44:31] wagnerrp: how are you going to destroy this energy? im going to detonate a hydrogen bomb
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[02:44:46] wagnerrp: .... thats whats going on in lost?
[02:45:00] wagnerrp: that is really severely whacked out?
[02:48:03]
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[02:51:57] kormoc: To destroy energy he's going to create a crap ton of it?
[02:52:28] wagnerrp: that... plus the fact that hes referring to some completely non-descript pocket of 'energy'
[02:53:11] kormoc: of course, it's the dark energy that we're searching for
[02:53:31] wagnerrp: so thats where it is! hidden deep under some tropical island
[02:54:15] mrand: Can we bottle this energy and sell it as a drink?
[02:54:31] iamlindoro: Your mom's got a pocket of energy
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[03:30:20] sphery: elmojo: shouldn't have, since mythtranscode doesn't use kCLPExtra
[03:31:20] Tanthrix: Ok, 1 day after installing my HD-PVR lirc seems to be misbehaving. My MCE remote shows one keypress with irw, then nothing until I reboot lircd. Another random, older remote works just fine.
[03:31:35] Tanthrix: (And a different but identical MCE remote does the same thing)
[03:35:05] Tanthrix: Rebooted, and now all is well. Nothing of interest in dmesg..
[03:35:21] Tanthrix: Does anyone know if there is any kind of USB power saving stuff that can be disabled?
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[03:36:57] wagnerrp: what do you mean?
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[03:38:08] Tanthrix: wagnerrp: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001BN50EQ/ref=oss_T15_product
[03:39:31] paras: is it possible to tell mythtv only to auto-transcode when it is NOT recording any shows ?
[03:39:56] wagnerrp: not directly
[03:40:01] wagnerrp: you can set time limits
[03:40:11] Tanthrix: wagnerrp: Oh, sorry, thought you asked what do I have. What I meant is are there any known USB powersaving things that can cause USB devices to misbehave.
[03:40:11] wagnerrp: only allow user jobs to operate within certain time periods
[03:40:38] wagnerrp: paras: but why would you want to do such a thing?
[03:41:14] paras: wagnerrp, because when it transcodes during recording a show the recorded show starts skipping
[03:41:35] wagnerrp: turn down the priority
[03:41:38] [R]: stop using a framegrabber?
[03:41:40] ** [R] giggles **
[03:41:45] wagnerrp: [R]+++
[03:41:56] elmojo: sphery: it's been broke for a while then
[03:42:04] [R]: hell, i'll be recording off my hdpvr with 2 comm flaggers going full steam
[03:42:05] elmojo: surprised no one has reported it
[03:42:21] sphery: any idea what's broken on it?
[03:42:29] paras: framegrabber ? you mean a non-overlay tv card ?
[03:42:34] sphery: I did some transcodes a couple of months ago just to test it
[03:42:37] wagnerrp: the only thing that may legitimately cause skipping is if youre doing lossless transcoding
[03:42:48] sphery: plan to do some when I get home (to fix #7315)
[03:42:51] wagnerrp: and youre running full tilt on the disk for long enough that the cache fills, and your drop recording data
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[03:42:58] elmojo: sphery: dunno... when I tell it to --buildindex it tries to actually transcode
[03:42:59] kormoc: paras: a frame grabber is a card that doesn't do hardware encoding
[03:43:18] wagnerrp: aside from that, just drop the priority on the transcode so your framegrabbers get all the CPU they want
[03:43:31] wagnerrp: and/or switch to a less intensive encoder, like mjpeg
[03:43:34] sphery: elmojo: heh, I thought I saw some weird log output when someone mentioned doing a --buildindex a month or 2 ago
[03:43:45] sphery: elmojo: I'd suggest using mythcommflag --rebuild for now
[03:44:02] paras: no matter the level, but the number must be higher than the recording priority ?
[03:44:19] sphery: (if you have some seektables you need to build--if you're just fixing things, though, continue on :)
[03:44:23] elmojo: oh... didn't know that worked... which is the preferred method and can you use mythcommflag for a file
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[03:44:52] elmojo: I need to build seek tables to work on a ticket
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[03:46:26] sphery: I think it's mythcommflag --rebuild --video for MythVideo stuff
[03:47:02] sphery: and, in theory (though I haven't tested it, and I'm not so sure that I've edited the wiki page), both should now work equally well on all supported video types
[03:47:38] sphery: If you find out for sure, feel free to take all the "only for mpeg-2" etc disclaimers out of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable
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[03:49:44] elmojo: sphery: I like that disclaimer ;)
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[04:12:48] sphery: So, I got ArcLight installed, and I can't figure out why iamlindoro chose to use Poster Bodoni for the font. It's completely unreadable...
[04:12:56] iamlindoro: heh
[04:13:25] sphery: (that's a joke referring to the X font substitution that would occur if one were to fail to install the fonts for the theme)
[04:13:37] sphery: not that it would actually choose Poster Bodoni, but...
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[04:16:15] Captain_Murdoch: wingdings
[04:16:43] sphery: heh, that would look nice :)
[04:20:21] iamlindoro: If only there had been a readme, which users are well known for reading
[04:23:34] sphery: Captain_Murdoch: fwiw, I'm all for letting MFSW replace Media Monitor and requiring users who want media monitoring to use system-provided automounting capabilitites. If nothing else, it means we can rip out the broken HAL/udev code. And, IIRC, we've had quite a few users who had problems when installing Myth because both their system and MythTV were trying to automount stuff.
[04:23:42] sphery: refs #7135
[04:24:18] Captain_Murdoch: having never seen the code, but having seen the amount of traffic it generates, it may make sense to replace it.
[04:24:24] sphery: Yeah.
[04:25:01] iamlindoro: I'm all for that
[04:25:11] iamlindoro: would make some of my plans for mythvideo soooo much easier, too
[04:25:33] sphery: Speaking of #7135, think it's reasonable to close it wontfix with a ref to #6137 and QTBUG-5990
[04:25:51] [R]: why does myth need to mount a dvd?
[04:25:59] sphery: to find out what's on it
[04:26:09] Captain_Murdoch: I've been working tonight on implementing what gbee was talking about earlier. instead of broadcasting events everywhere, I've hooked it up so that you do gContext->GetMFSW()->addMonitor(this, "/nas/video1/mythtv/recordings"); and addMonitor is just like addListener except in this case it registers you to receive MFSW events.
[04:26:13] [R]: like what?
[04:26:14] sphery: so it knows it's a video DVD so it can unmount it so it can play it as a DVD?
[04:26:21] [R]: hrm
[04:26:25] [R]: makes esnse i guess
[04:26:26] sphery: just in case it has pictures on it
[04:26:45] [R]: but can't it just try plaing it, and if it fails, try somethign else?
[04:26:59] sphery: I don't use the Media Monitor stuff, so I may be off on that, but it's my understanding based on comments I've heard
[04:27:48] sphery: Captain_Murdoch: nice... I appreciate the reasoning behind his approach--and appreciate the extra work it's probably costing you :)
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[04:29:38] wagnerrp: heh... more subtle ads from Ford in White Collar
[04:30:04] wagnerrp: at least its not so overt as Viper
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[04:30:45] ** sphery hopes those are shows on cable since he didn't make rules to record them **
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[04:33:59] Captain_Murdoch: "make rules"? you mean you don't have a "record any new first episode" rule? :)
[04:35:02] wagnerrp: what good would that do?
[04:35:17] wagnerrp: a year later, he watches the show, and gets pissed off he only has the first episode
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[04:40:28] Captain_Murdoch: :) my "(Pilot Episodes)" custom rule appears right below 'All Programs' in the list, so we scroll past it all the time.
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[04:42:04] sphery: Captain_Murdoch: I do have a "First Episodes" rule, but I leave it inactive and then when I see a first ep on the "Upcoming Recordings" page (marked as inactive), I create a real "any/all" rule for it.
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[04:42:36] sphery: However, this mid-season, most of the pilot episodes are showing up with SD programid's like <whatever>007
[04:42:49] sphery: so my rule isn't hitting on all the new ones
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[04:42:58] Captain_Murdoch: I think my rule also looks for subtitle = 'pilot'
[04:43:09] sphery: I should add that in
[04:43:18] Captain_Murdoch: and I only look on certain channels.
[04:43:29] sphery: I went with the "canned" one from customedit.cpp (or wherever)
[04:43:46] sphery: the one that came up in the editor in the frontend when you scroll through the examples
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[04:44:52] sphery: Since "Tales of the Golden Monkey" is no longer airing, I won't get tons of hits on that show (since the main character is a pilot :). Same for Wings.  :)
[04:45:29] Captain_Murdoch: I think I have = "pilot" just to catch where it exactly equals pilot.
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[04:47:18] sphery: I guess 7+ he had to quit?
[04:48:29] [R]: lol
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[04:55:13] SnakesAndStuff: Hello...
[04:55:35] SnakesAndStuff: Is there a way to look up the info for a digital channel and manually put it into the channels.conf and then test the antenna to see if you get reception?
[04:55:44] SnakesAndStuff: when I use scan, I don't pick up one of the channels that I should get here.
[04:55:49] SnakesAndStuff: It is digital 8–1
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[04:57:03] [R]: are you scanning QAM or over the air?
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[04:57:18] [R]: oh antenna
[04:57:19] [R]: lol
[04:57:32] [R]: SnakesAndStuff: what does silicon dust's website say about the channel?
[04:57:47] SnakesAndStuff: Unfamiliar with the website.
[04:57:56] [R]: its got a list of channels by zipcode
[04:57:59] [R]: and what their info is
[04:58:06] SnakesAndStuff: URL?
[04:58:18] [R]: google.com
[04:58:34] SnakesAndStuff: Just got it
[04:58:41] SnakesAndStuff: Looked odd tho as it is a product website.
[04:59:05] [R]: its a company website
[04:59:37] SnakesAndStuff: It is an OTA channel.. when I search my zipcode it doesn't come up... I get info for the next state over actually
[05:00:06] [R]: are you sure you pick it up?
[05:00:23] SnakesAndStuff: Well, it broadcasts just a few miles away... and I get it at other houses in town
[05:00:26] [R]: is the antenna pointed in the right direction?
[05:00:31] [R]: is your atenna good?
[05:00:34] [R]: is your tuner good?
[05:00:54] SnakesAndStuff: Tuner works
[05:01:03] SnakesAndStuff: Antenna is just rabbit ears, but it works at other locations...
[05:01:17] SnakesAndStuff: I've used the scan util several times, with different antenna orientations.
[05:01:20] SnakesAndStuff: it picks up the other stations
[05:01:26] [R]: does your tv have a tuner?
[05:01:34] SnakesAndStuff: I was hoping I could manually put it in channels.conf
[05:01:37] SnakesAndStuff: no digital tuner on TV
[05:01:50] SnakesAndStuff: and then do a tzap -r CHANNEL and then use that readout to get my antenna setup
[05:01:57] [R]: well to put it in channels.lconf
[05:01:59] [R]: you need to know the frreq
[05:02:22] [R]: have you tried the dvb scan utils?
[05:03:18] SnakesAndStuff: dvbscan doesn't run
[05:03:29] [R]: what do you mean it "doesn't run"
[05:03:31] SnakesAndStuff: dvbscan can't connect to adapter
[05:03:38] SnakesAndStuff: I'll go run it and get the error message for you real quick
[05:05:15] SnakesAndStuff: dvbscan spits out cannot quiery frontend status
[05:05:42] [R]: thats all it says?
[05:05:50] [R]: "cannot quiery frontend status"
[05:05:55] SnakesAndStuff: Yup
[05:06:09] [R]: and the backend isnt' running?
[05:06:09] SnakesAndStuff: dvbscan /usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-ATSC......
[05:06:13] SnakesAndStuff: nope
[05:06:13] [R]: and you have permissions to the /dev nodes?
[05:06:17] SnakesAndStuff: yes
[05:06:20] SnakesAndStuff: and scan works
[05:06:28] [R]: you just said it didnt work
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[05:08:07] SnakesAndStuff: No, I said scan works
[05:08:09] SnakesAndStuff: dvbscan doesn't
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[05:09:38] [R]: dunno what to tell you
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[05:12:22] SnakesAndStuff: running it with strace complains about not finding libdvbconfig and libdvbapi and libdvbsec
[05:12:43] [R]: sounds like your stuff isn't installed properly
[05:13:14] SnakesAndStuff: gonna install libdvb-dev and see if it helps
[05:14:07] SnakesAndStuff: Ah...
[05:14:18] SnakesAndStuff: well, the stuff exists... but not where dvbscan is looking for it
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[05:14:44] SnakesAndStuff: So whatever provides dvbscan in the distro might not have been compiled correctly against everything else?
[05:15:23] [R]: guess not
[05:15:31] SnakesAndStuff: Hmmm.
[05:17:10] SnakesAndStuff: looking for files such as /usr/lib/i686/cmov/....
[05:17:14] SnakesAndStuff: instead of /usr/lib
[05:18:53] SnakesAndStuff: I think it is a bit funky that "scan" runs and "dvbscan" doesn't
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[06:11:26] xris: hmm.. scte data I'm getting is wrong....
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[06:21:57] xris: iamlindoro: what do you do with scte65scan when you know it's wrong?
[06:22:38] iamlindoro: xris, Thankfully I haven't run into that yet-- wrong in what way?
[06:23:24] xris: well, maybe not the case.. supposedly removed all of the analog channels to make room for digital. I guess I'm confusing things.
[06:23:45] xris: I just have a lot of lower-spectrum channels (e.g. channel 39) that scte65scan says are in the clear, but which I can't tune
[06:24:04] xris: but I'm definitely mixing up analog and digital stuff
[06:24:13] iamlindoro: hmmm, yeah, haven't had to rescan with it in a long while, so to be honest I'm not sure what might be up
[06:24:23] iamlindoro: Sorry not to be more help :(
[06:24:34] xris: get someone to fix the zero-byte-recording issue for me.  :)
[06:24:44] iamlindoro: heh
[06:25:36] xris: heck, for all I know it's just a firmware issue with the hdhomerun
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[06:26:02] xris: well, new hdhomerun firmware from 5 days ago. might as well upgrade
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[06:36:18] jafa: hdhomerun firmware... anything I can help with?
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[06:42:17] xris: jafa: oh, just trying to figure out why I can't tune some channels
[06:42:32] xris: scte65scan says they should work, but mythtv gets nothing
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[06:44:41] xris: "physical channel" is mplexid, right?
[06:45:26] [R]: mplexid is the id into the multiplex table
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[06:54:00] xris: yeah.. trying to check station integrity in the hdhomerun gui util
[06:54:17] xris: this mplex has like 9 channels on it
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[06:55:54] [R]: thats a lot of channels
[06:55:55] [R]: i tell you what
[06:57:35] xris: yup, lots of SD channels
[07:02:57] xris: yeah, I think I've figured this out. scte65scan seems to list encrypted stations as if they weren't
[07:03:32] xris: and there's the answer: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1386046
[07:07:24] xris: which makes my HDHR much less useful now. lame.
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[07:08:05] [R]: the cable companies need to stop sucking so much
[07:08:40] xris: yeah.
[07:09:17] xris: not that I can record any of the nice non-broadcast HD stuff with my hdhr, but it was nice to get SD stuff when I didn't care too much about quality
[07:09:23] xris: at least I should stop completely missing recordings now
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[07:12:12] xris: at least firewire still seems to work
[07:12:21] [R]: lucky
[07:12:38] wagnerrp: so apparently after the first DVD ripping ticket was so harshly closed, the problem got more severe
[07:13:02] wagnerrp: good thing the ticket only affects 0.21, so 0.22 and trunk can ignore the problem
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[07:13:42] wagnerrp: trac is an endless source of amusement
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[07:19:14] Shiba: I'm seeing a split screen somehow, where the same program is displayed twice while watching TV
[07:19:19] iamlindoro: awww, it wasn't harsh
[07:19:23] Shiba: I must have hit a hotkey to do it, but I can't figure out for the life of me what it was
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[07:19:52] Shiba: two horizontal pictures with weird aspect ratio are displayed
[07:20:03] Shiba: the video is there, but shows up teice :(
[07:20:08] iamlindoro: Not a hotkey, you're using Bob 2X deinterlacer with an ATI card
[07:20:16] Shiba: uh oh
[07:20:26] Shiba: how do I fix it?
[07:20:27] iamlindoro: change your deinterlacer or playback profile and it'll solve itself
[07:20:40] iamlindoro: You should almost definitely be using "Slim"
[07:22:02] Shiba: that setting is in mythtv-setup?
[07:22:06] iamlindoro: Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, Page Three, change to "Slim"
[07:22:08] iamlindoro: no, frontend
[07:25:55] Shiba: I'm using 0.22; I don't see an option for deinterlacer on page 3
[07:26:06] Shiba: CPU+ or CPU++ or ...
[07:26:11] iamlindoro: or SLIM
[07:27:04] iamlindoro: note I said change your deinterlacer *or* playback profile, which is a series of settings which encompasses deinterlacer, among other things
[07:27:16] iamlindoro: so switch to slim
[07:30:21] Shiba: thanks
[07:30:29] Shiba: sorry, I'm new to mythtv
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[07:31:10] Shiba: just got through the backend setup and was wanting to try itout :)
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[08:35:11] loki_666: hi
[08:36:32] loki_666: where to define new transcoding profile?
[08:36:53] loki_666: creating one in recording profiles -> transcoders doesnt works
[08:37:08] [R]: what do you mean it "doesnt work"
[08:37:17] wagnerrp: that is a known deficiency
[08:37:24] wagnerrp: you can only alter the existing profiles
[08:37:30] wagnerrp: you cannot use any new ones you make
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[08:42:44] loki_666: well it deosn appears when i want to transcode a recording
[08:43:11] loki_666: i'm stuck with the "default" "hight quality" "medium quality" and "low quaility"
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[08:43:32] wagnerrp: and autodetect
[08:43:41] loki_666: yep
[08:43:49] wagnerrp: to be honest, you probably dont want to be using the mythtv internal transcoder
[08:44:11] loki_666: if i rename a existing one it doesnt even change in the transcoding job choice
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[10:00:26] pheld: trunk rev 23321 gets stuck on exit. Does it have anything to do with the recent signalling changes (cs23304)?
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[11:13:27] pheld: it doesn't get stuck every time on exit. the frontend must at least have been running for some time. when it happens there are 3 defunct frontend threads in the ps-list, and the last debug message written is "SendReceiveStringList(QUERY_IS_ACTIVE_BACKEND,mc) called from UI thread"
[11:19:55] pheld: gdb backtrace is at http://pastebin.ca/1767844
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[11:28:03] justinh: there's an echo in here again
[11:33:18] justinh: hmm. I really shouldn't have disabled commflagging. got jobs stuck in the queue now :-(
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[11:43:06] ahughes: hi guys, can I use a GeForce(R) GT220 to get vid+audio hdmi output with myth?
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[11:55:48] justinh: I dunno. are you capable of installing closed source drivers & configuring stuff? ;-)
[11:56:57] ahughes: kinda... I have to bail on the idea... soooo bloody hard to find an onboard GF m'board :'(
[11:58:28] justinh: so much effort going into ion stuff lately it's no surprise
[11:59:09] justinh: so you want microatx so you can use a real CPU and have gt220 gpu?
[12:00:25] ahughes: micro.
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[12:00:53] ahughes: what is the deal with ION?
[12:01:09] justinh: low power cpu, that's the deal
[12:01:12] ahughes: and wtf is nForce?
[12:01:53] ahughes: I dont give too whoot's about the power... just needs to play 1080p :)
[12:01:59] justinh: if you want a beefy CPU so you can decide between software decoding & VDPAU, your options are going to be limited in terms of SFF
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[12:02:11] justinh: '1080P'. MEH
[12:02:20] justinh: 1080p what?
[12:02:56] justinh: 1080P != 1080P != 1080P
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[12:03:08] ahughes: I don't determine what... other people do that for me don't they :)
[12:03:25] ahughes: not games tho.
[12:03:31] justinh: yeah but there's a variety of content.. different codecs & whatnot
[12:03:49] justinh: bitrates, encoding complexity... all variables needing consideration
[12:03:51] ahughes: h264, divx, xvid would be the primary formates.
[12:03:58] ahughes: true.
[12:04:26] justinh: no legit HD comes in xvid or divx :) Or indeed mkv
[12:04:48] justinh: not unless you come by it from material you already own
[12:05:11] justinh: so the question is... do you wanna decode it in software or in hardware?
[12:05:30] justinh: bearing in mind that hardware decoding isn't the solution to everything
[12:05:35] ahughes: home video's and free to air recordings.
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[12:06:04] justinh: nothing FTA is 1080P
[12:06:17] ahughes: I c. so 8200 with beefy CPU could out perform 9300 with a slow cpu?
[12:06:34] justinh: sheesh
[12:06:52] ahughes: P vs I is irrellevant... my eye's aren't that good :)
[12:06:53] justinh: if you're not doing any decoding aided by the GPU, then the GPU is immaterial
[12:07:33] ahughes: yeah, but 8200 has vdpau right? so why should I care about the 9300?
[12:07:56] justinh: different cards have different capabilities
[12:08:07] justinh: AFAIK the GT220 will do a lot more for you
[12:08:38] justinh: but if you're just gunning to decode everything in software & use the GPU for output... then there's no need busting yourself getting a GT220
[12:09:46] justinh: a few people have tried relying on hardware decoding on the GPU & they've not been especially impressed, but lots have
[12:10:40] [Peter]: VDPAU works really nice with myth nowadays. Haven't seen any issues in a long time now
[12:10:44] justinh: FWIW in your position I'd probably opt for something that can do both then at least if there's something the GPU spits out you can still play it
[12:11:05] justinh: I've been stuck in a position where I absolutely relied on HW decoding before & it SUCKED
[12:11:17] justinh: when it worked it was brilliant but when it didn't it was a pain
[12:12:01] justinh: see it's ok for STB producers & people who make bluray players etc.. they know what they're gonna get at the other end. We don't always
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[12:12:54] ivor: justinh: "sucked" bit strong there. :)
[12:13:00] justinh: having a system which can decode HD in all its forms in both software *and* hardware would be best
[12:13:07] justinh: hedge those bets
[12:13:27] justinh: ivor: when it didn't, it was on stuff *I* had recorded. V. annoying
[12:14:03] justinh: was ok with the shite my wife records :-(
[12:14:18] ivor: snort.
[12:14:31] justinh: i.e ITV
[12:14:35] ivor: yeah ok, that sucked.
[12:15:09] justinh: there might even still be that buffering snafu in myth I dunno. I got rid of that frontend :)
[12:16:01] ivor: justinh: if it makes you feel any better the drivers getting better at the moment.
[12:16:23] justinh: the driver was absolutely tickety-boo for a long time & I was a very happy bunny
[12:17:12] ivor: trying to get h264 going, now cx700/vx800 is working.
[12:17:15] justinh: when it worked on a stream it was really smooth, but anything with AD inside it really messed things up
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[12:18:22] justinh: if anybody asked which way I'd go in future..prolly get a woofing great powerful box & hide it outside the livingroom
[12:18:42] ivor: aye. a lot to be said for raw horsepower.
[12:18:58] ivor: but still low power dedicated decoding is cute.
[12:19:01] justinh: I'd love to get a teensy tiny atom box with nvidia GPU stuff inside but even if there was one recording it wouldn't play it'd bug the hell out of me
[12:21:30] justinh: couldn't care less about the wife's recordings though. they can go to hell in a handcart :)
[12:21:53] justinh: she had to watch everything live last night when the frontend went wonky
[12:22:27] justinh: not being able to skip ads & having no timestretch sucks :)
[12:23:02] [Peter]: what's the point with timestretch?
[12:23:33] justinh: watching a half hour show in 20 minutes
[12:23:47] justinh: or 15 minutes if you can hack it that fast
[12:24:22] justinh: 30 mins of soap opera distills down to 15 with timestretch & ad skipping
[12:24:43] justinh: saves her hours a week :)
[12:24:57] [Peter]: doesn't it make all the motion look funny?
[12:25:02] justinh: nope
[12:25:13] justinh: sure I'd prefer it if she just didn't watch the crap... but...
[12:25:16] [Peter]: :D
[12:25:47] justinh: if I had my way I'd delete ITV1
[12:26:31] justinh: home of the shows which have competition questions like "What colour was the red bus? A) Red, B) Gold, C)Blue"
[12:27:02] justinh: & braindead crap like "X Factor". grrr
[12:27:37] ** justinh deletes all channels except BBC Two & BBC Four. Muhahahaha **
[12:29:14] justinh: btw anybody happen to know if/when Chuck is coming to Virgin1 ?
[12:33:55] justinh: ooo,apparently it is...in 'summer'. Yay
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[12:47:03] quicksilver: justinh: NOOOOO! Dancing on Ice! ;P
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[13:03:33] justinh: quicksilver: if it was more about falling over on ice & getting cut up by skates on ice I might be interested ;-)
[13:03:44] quicksilver: :)
[13:04:46] justinh: oh and ban their use of the word 'celebrity', making them replace it with "somebody who was on telly a while ago before their career bombed" :)
[13:08:20] quicksilver: yes it would be just as good – or better – without celebrities
[13:17:40] ivor: justinh: you're ranting again. :)
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[13:24:13] justinh: am I? OMHG
[13:24:28] justinh: and there was I, having said I'd never rant again. LOL
[13:26:37] quicksilver: if a justinh doesn't rant, is it still a justinh ?
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[14:56:42] Lt_Dan: iamlindoro: did you acquire/play Mass Effect 2 yet?
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[15:24:11] oobe: Lt_Dan, what are you doing here?
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[15:25:19] Hiisty: can someone tell me why i can't go to channel 5 if i browse channels with arrows it jumps from 4 to 6, but if i press 5 and enter i can see it
[15:25:56] Hiisty: i've gone trough the database and settings, and channel 5 is configured similar to other channels
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[15:30:51] oobe: Hiisty, it is possible that it is hidden?
[15:31:00] oobe: you can make channels hidden in mythweb
[15:31:45] Hiisty: hmm where i can unhide it
[15:32:02] oobe: http://localhost/mythweb/settings/tv/channels
[15:33:10] Hiisty: it is visible
[15:33:22] oobe: hmm i dont know then
[15:33:31] oobe: do you have more than one tuner
[15:33:39] Hiisty: no just one
[15:35:13] oobe: i cant see why then
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[15:39:09] Lt_Dan: oobe just following up on a way off topic discussion held here about gaming a few days ago
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[15:39:59] Lt_Dan: no harm meant
[15:40:25] oobe: i recognise you nick from #betas
[15:40:35] oobe: unless this is a different Lt_Dan
[15:41:39] Lt_Dan: i haven't been in betas, so someone must've usurped my nick (even though its reg'd)
[15:41:49] Lt_Dan: wonder if there is a LtDan or similar....
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[15:44:33] oobe: its on a different network
[15:44:52] oobe: plus he has had that nick for 8 or so years so i guess you would be using his nick :P
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[15:46:05] oobe: same capitilisation and everything though kinda wierd
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[15:52:49] Lt_Dan: fan of the movie or a real Lt named Dan?
[15:53:35] oobe: what movie
[15:53:45] Lt_Dan: ForsGump (my other nick)
[15:54:00] Lt_Dan: "Forrest Gump"
[15:54:06] oobe: oh ok goole told me
[15:54:10] oobe: google even
[15:54:18] oobe: yea that must be it why
[15:54:40] Lt_Dan: just curious.
[15:55:05] oobe: i have no idea
[15:55:16] oobe: i never thought about why ppl have nicks
[15:55:27] oobe: think rather
[15:55:39] oobe: ppl ask me about mine
[15:55:45] Lt_Dan: and?! ;)
[15:55:49] oobe: i dont really have a reason
[15:56:07] oobe: it can mean out of box experience or out of body experience
[15:56:10] oobe: or just oobe
[15:56:21] anykey_: j-rod: just ouf of interest, what cards are you talking about in -dev? ;)
[15:56:27] Lt_Dan: yeah. names don't have to have a reason.
[15:57:12] oobe: one reason would be its easy to type and its original
[15:57:20] oobe: i have never had a nick collision
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[15:58:28] j-rod: anykey_: http://wilsonet.com/?cat=10
[15:59:08] oobe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lt._Dan_Band
[16:00:41] j-rod: devinheitmueller: you might actually be a good victim^wcandidate to send a crystal hd card to...
[16:01:15] devinheitmueller: hey j-rod
[16:01:22] devinheitmueller: Hmmm....
[16:01:25] anykey_: j-rod: nice
[16:01:33] Lt_Dan: oobe: cool
[16:02:13] anykey_: j-rod: what is the price of these cards?
[16:02:20] j-rod: devinheitmueller: I can't remember... does tvtime do analog-only?
[16:02:34] oobe: yea it does only analogue
[16:02:51] j-rod: so there goes that angle
[16:03:07] devinheitmueller: I actually do have a box with Intel video, so it would be nice. Not sure whether I would be able to use it though, depending on the form factor.
[16:03:09] j-rod: anykey_: depends
[16:03:14] devinheitmueller: Yeah, tvtime does analog only.
[16:03:35] devinheitmueller: I'm a pretty regular user of Kaffeine and Myth though. There's Xine support in progress, right?
[16:03:43] devinheitmueller: s/Xine/libxine/
[16:03:46] anykey_: j-rod: rough estimation? 20$, 50$, 150$?
[16:03:46] j-rod: anykey_: anywhere from $20-ish on ebay to $69 through official channels (but likely to drop in price real soon now)
[16:03:54] anykey_: oh, cool :)
[16:04:02] j-rod: logicsupply.com has them for $69 atm
[16:04:15] j-rod: listed as out of stock, but they've got a batch of 100 arriving shortly
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[16:04:45] j-rod: and are now in direct contact with broadcom, who is going to hook them up, so the price will probably come down over the next few weeks
[16:04:57] j-rod: otherworld computing is also going to be carrying them soon, apparently
[16:05:05] anykey_: j-rod: but the card will just decode the stream, video output is still going to be over the normal gpu?
[16:05:17] j-rod: as well as offering services to retrofit your mac mini or appletv with one for you
[16:05:21] oobe: does myth already support these broadcom decoders?
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[16:05:40] j-rod: anykey_: correct, its a decoder only, you still need a video card
[16:05:43] j-rod: oobe: no, not yet
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[16:06:04] oobe: they sound interesting anyhow
[16:06:09] anykey_: yeah
[16:06:19] j-rod: they work fantastically well too
[16:08:16] devinheitmueller: j-rod: at this point I've got more hardware than I know what to do with. I will probably wait until I have some time to dig into it (assuming that ever happens), and then just order one online.
[16:08:48] j-rod: heh, I know the feeling...
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[16:21:59] jams: woohoo reporting on installed plugins is working! http://jmeyer.us/screens/mythsmolt_plugins.png
[16:24:16] iamlindoro: nice
[16:24:31] iamlindoro: Though you're missing all the good ones ;)
[16:24:39] jams: haha
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[16:24:45] jams: what i have mythtest1 and mythtest2
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[16:24:49] jams: what else do you need
[16:25:39] jams: # of tuners will be very interesting data (at least to me)
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[16:27:40] iamlindoro: With no disrespect at all intended to you, I think smolt is a great example of silly linux app naming
[16:28:10] jams: heh i agree
[16:28:11] iamlindoro: And I know it wasn't your idea, just an example of developers doing their own marketing
[16:28:41] thisotherguy: hi all
[16:29:47] thisotherguy: j-rod: I saw your posts about the crystalhd and I was wondering if there was any chance of crystalhd support in .23?
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[16:32:04] jams: iamlindoro- I love the fact the smolt server is named smoon.
[16:35:00] j-rod: thisotherguy: nope, not likely to be done in time for 0.23
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[16:37:15] thisotherguy: bummer – I've been playing with it in XBMC and it's pretty cool – but I can't get it to work with my myth recordings which is what makes my world go round
[16:37:39] thisotherguy: ... other than wife/kid/blah/blah – glad they don't read this
[16:37:53] j-rod: mpeg2 support hasn't got much love just yet
[16:38:04] j-rod: and xbmc's mythtv support is kinda flakey for me too
[16:38:13] iamlindoro: jams: Snorting Milk Out Of Nose?  ;)
[16:40:34] thisotherguy: k – I'm a programmer (though I have no video processing experience) so if there's anything I can do to help I'd love to try
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[16:43:36] iamlindoro: thisotherguy: the "right" way for us to get CrystalHD support is for it to come to the HWAccel API in ffmpeg. Since it's a decoder and not a video output module, it would be trivial to add to myth at that point
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[16:45:10] thisotherguy: iamlindoro: does that mean badger the ffmpeg folks?
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[16:45:23] iamlindoro: No, it means write a patch for ffmpeg and get it through their review process :)
[16:45:48] wagnerrp: and then there would still have to be another ffmpeg sync
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[16:50:01] thisotherguy: hmm – would that be a good project to learn about video decoding or is that like learning to drive by building an engine?
[16:51:06] iamlindoro: ffmpeg is *the* project to learn about decode and encode of video. Contributing does imply a very high proficiency with C, however
[16:51:25] iamlindoro: as their review process is notoriously strict, and thin-skinned people tend to run screaming away
[16:53:27] devinheitmueller: Yeah, I cannot imagine why those guys might be a little sensitive to performance issues....  ;-)
[16:54:18] wagnerrp: as an example, their founder has done things such as build a DVB-T transmitter using a radeon 9250, and claim the world record calculation of Pi on his desktop computer
[16:54:54] wagnerrp: genius levels bordering on madness
[16:54:57] iamlindoro: devinheitmueller: not saying it's not appropriate, I think it's very much so
[16:55:13] thisotherguy: hmmm – I would not describe my C talents as very highly proficient
[16:55:17] iamlindoro: devinheitmueller: just that it takes a thick skin and a willingness to rewrite a couple times to "live" in their review process
[16:55:27] devinheitmueller: yup. I've certainly been there.
[16:55:48] thisotherguy: does that mean that j-rod is working on a temporary solution?
[16:56:03] iamlindoro: I wouldn't say that j-rod is working on any solution at all at the moment
[16:56:17] iamlindoro: As of last check, it was on the list, but not close to the top
[16:56:29] j-rod: yup.
[16:56:39] jams: hmm..would it be better to report total number of tuners per setup, or tuners per machine
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[16:56:44] iamlindoro: and if there's even an inkling that it'll make it to ffmpeg, I wouldn't expect he'd want to waste his time
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[16:59:29] jams: think per setup is the best approach for now
[17:01:18] thisotherguy: I getcha – I guess this means there hasn't been much discussion on ffmpeg lists? Do you guys follow those?
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[17:18:57] trumee: i am trying to build mythstream on my box. but getting an error /usr/local/include/mythtv/mythdialogs.h:46:28: error: mythmainwindow.h: No such file or directory
[17:19:07] trumee: the myth version was installed from svn. mythstream is for 0.22
[17:20:26] trumee: the complete log is at http://pastebin.com/m1c6799bd
[17:22:24] wagnerrp: mythstream has never been an official plugin, and is due for obsolescence
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[17:28:19] trumee: the funny thing is for my gentoo box with myth installed from portage, it compiles fine. However, it doesnt build on a opensuse system on which i have compiled myth 0.22-fixes from svn.
[17:29:56] trumee: the file /usr/local/include/mythtv/mythdialogs.h contains #include "mythmainwindow.h" which is only in the folder /usr/local/include/mythtv/libmythui/mythmainwindow.h. isnt that wrong?
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[17:30:49] trumee: why isnt mythdialogs.h referring to it as #include "libmythui/mythmainwindow.h" rather than "mythmainwindow.h"
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[17:31:22] trumee: or am i getting this all wrong
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[17:49:02] trumee: uggh!, seems to pe problem in the Makefile, the c++ calls refs to /ur/include/mythtv rather than /usr/local/include/mythtv
[17:49:42] wagnerrp: this is your source compile?
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[17:52:00] trumee: wagnerrp: yes
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[17:52:15] wagnerrp: then YOU have not set the --prefix properly
[17:52:25] wagnerrp: the Makefile is not shipped with mythtv
[17:52:34] wagnerrp: rather autogenerated when you run configure
[17:52:49] iamlindoro: and since it's not even a compile of a supported plugin, there's even less we can do about it
[17:53:30] iamlindoro: work should be devoted to the *official* internet playback plugin IMHO
[17:53:45] wagnerrp: right, check out MythNetVision in trunk
[17:53:49] trumee: wagnerrp: i was referring to mythstream. i do a qmake mythstream.pro, and a make and it tries to compile against /usr/include/myth rathe rather than /use/local/include/myth
[17:54:02] wagnerrp: if theres some content you want to access that is available in mythstream and not in the new official plugin
[17:54:07] wagnerrp: consider writing a grabber for it
[17:55:57] trumee: wagnerrp: i want to watch streamed video http://blah:1080 which is streamed from vlc
[17:56:36] wagnerrp: trumee: so adjust your VLC server such that it uses RTSP, and add it as a proper capture device in mythtv
[17:56:54] trumee: wagnerrp: ah that is an idea.
[17:57:36] trumee: wagnerrp: the stream is from a remote server. with myth be able to watch it?
[17:58:31] wagnerrp: mythtv can use RTSP as a tuner, for the purpose of access to certain forms of IPTV
[17:58:43] wagnerrp: VLC can stream using RTSP
[17:58:52] wagnerrp: outside of that is of your concern
[17:59:13] trumee: what happens if the rtsp stream is un-available. when vlc is not streaming
[17:59:53] wagnerrp: then the recording fails, and mythbackend reports it in the logs
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[18:23:45] iamlindoro: So does mythfrontend run on iPad yet? Anyone tried yet?
[18:24:00] kormoc: Do not want
[18:25:18] iamlindoro: heh
[18:25:36] wagnerrp: is that the yet unreleased apple tablet?
[18:26:29] iamlindoro: announced and being demoed presently
[18:26:44] iamlindoro: great big iPhone so far
[18:26:57] iamlindoro: waiting to see what makes it special, though
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[18:27:02] wagnerrp: thats the actual name? i thought you were talking about someone on the users list asking about their misspelled iPod
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[18:27:22] ** mag0o thought it was some sort of new maxi pad from Apple **
[18:27:59] iamlindoro: yes, it's actually called the iPad
[18:28:18] wagnerrp: with new vibrate feature to let you know when your iphone is ringing
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[18:30:26] wagnerrp: that is a ginormous bezel
[18:30:29] wagnerrp: shame on you apple
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[18:33:21] iamlindoro: Yeah, I'm sure they'll cry their way all the way to the bank
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[18:35:07] kormoc: I donno
[18:35:13] kormoc: this strikes me as nothing special
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[18:48:11] oobe: iamlindoro, how long has your Arclight been in trunk?
[18:48:31] oobe: i just tested it in 22 works fine as fair as i can tell
[18:48:49] iamlindoro: It have been there for several days, and it does *not* work fine in .22
[18:49:16] iamlindoro: multiple of the important buttonlists will be completely broken as .22 lacks the UI code to draw them properly
[18:49:38] wagnerrp: it doesnt even work fine in trunk until a couple days ago with the last of the necessary UI patches were added
[18:49:45] high-rez: The wiki isn't entirely clear – is the broadcom crystal HD supported by myth ?
[18:49:52] iamlindoro: high-rez: no
[18:50:02] high-rez: Thanks for the quick answer.  ;)
[18:50:04] iamlindoro: np
[18:50:39] high-rez: I'm quite happy with my VDPAU but I was thinking of getting one of the minipcie version to give it a try if it was supported.  ;)
[18:52:27] oobe: oh ok well it still looks good to me in .22 nice work
[18:53:45] thisotherguy: iamlindro: I just tried out Arclight and I really like it; I was wondering if the side images are supposed to appear abstract and pixelated
[18:54:11] high-rez: Is there anyone that worked with the crystal hd/played with it that has opinions on it? E.g. does it look like a pretty good device (specifically i'm interested in interlaced h264 hd)
[18:54:15] wagnerrp: high-rez: fixed that for you
[18:54:24] iamlindoro: No idea what you mean by "side images"
[18:55:01] wagnerrp: thisotherguy: by coverart and such, is it possible your source images themselves are just very low rez and pixelated?
[18:55:12] high-rez: wagnerrp: Hah, just refreshed, thanks.  :)
[18:55:27] wagnerrp: for instance... did you pull them from IMDB back when IMDB was handing out poor, low quality images?
[18:55:52] high-rez: wagnerrp: I was confused becayse there was a section in the index "MythTV Crystal HD Support" which is totally blank ;)
[18:56:07] iamlindoro: Don't think he's referring to media artwork
[18:56:11] thisotherguy: on the first screen I see media library, manage recordings, etc on left – they look great with images of tickets, etc – on the right there's a pixelated blue green image
[18:56:26] iamlindoro: So... the background?
[18:56:37] iamlindoro: in which case, yes, it's supposed to look like that
[18:57:15] thisotherguy: ah – that's the word
[18:57:21] thisotherguy: thanks :-)
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[19:00:24] wagnerrp: high-rez: additionally, since the crystalhd stuff is a decoder, rather than an output device
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[19:01:05] wagnerrp: the current consensus seems to be to push for support in ffmpeg/libavcodec, and have support happen almost seamlessly during the next ffmpeg sync
[19:02:35] high-rez: wagnerrp: Interesting. ffmpeg/libavcodec also has support for vdpau, correct? Is there a reason why NVP uses its own implementation of VDPAU vs the ffmpeg/libavc version? (asking purely out of curiosity)
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[19:02:54] AnNahar: hi friends
[19:02:56] AnNahar: for some reason my mythweb page is blank now
[19:03:01] iamlindoro: high-rez: It doesn't
[19:03:02] wagnerrp: i do not believe ffmpeg has any support for such
[19:03:16] iamlindoro: ffmpeg provides an API for vdpau *decode*... ffmpeg has nothing to do with video output
[19:03:16] wagnerrp: as VDPAU is intended as an output device, rather than a straight decoder
[19:03:59] wagnerrp: AnNahar: has mythweb ever worked?
[19:04:24] wagnerrp: did you recently make changes to apache and/or php?
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[19:05:44] AnNahar: wagnerrp: yes
[19:05:52] AnNahar: wagnerrp: all i can assume is something from a yum upgrade
[19:06:32] wagnerrp: if the mythbackend or mysql is not running, mythweb would report an error as such
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[19:07:01] wagnerrp: if youre getting nothing, the problem is likely due to your web server installation
[19:07:21] wagnerrp: perhaps your webroot got moved or removed
[19:07:29] wagnerrp: and youre looking at an empty directory
[19:07:38] AnNahar: mythbackend is running
[19:07:44] high-rez: Ahh, I guess I'm wrong on that. I thought I saw some vdpau hooks in ffmpeg last time I pulled it down. Either way, all of the hardware decoding options are great.  :)
[19:10:14] iamlindoro: high-rez: Again, ffmpeg handled ffmpeg *decode* and that's how we do it-- but we still have to provide a VDPAU video output, which is totally divorced from what ffmpeg does
[19:10:20] iamlindoro: er ffmpeg handles vdpau
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[19:11:17] wagnerrp: trying to use ffmpeg to decode the video, pull it back over the bus, and then push it back once again over Xv would just be a foolish waste of resources
[19:11:34] wagnerrp: and would be much to the ire of the users of PCI cards
[19:12:10] xaxes: hey there.. excuse me, asking this stuff about three times, but Im not very happy with the "fast forward / backward" while wathcing live tv/recordings .. isnt it able to set the time-diff from few seconds to minutes by default?
[19:12:47] wagnerrp: what specifically is the problem?
[19:13:34] iamlindoro: yes, you can change the skip amounts
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[19:13:46] iamlindoro: in one of the TV settings submenus
[19:13:57] iamlindoro: playback profiles, I believe
[19:14:00] iamlindoro: er sory
[19:14:02] iamlindoro: sorry
[19:14:16] iamlindoro: not playback profiles, but... the other one.
[19:14:26] xaxes: pressing left/right it sometimes doesnt jump forward/backward, it take "a hop" between 1 second,... somebody told me to type "10 right" to jump 10 minutes foward.. sometimes this works.. but not always .. so sometimes Im forced to leave live tv and enter it again to be able to skip amounts
[19:15:00] wagnerrp: the '<number><direction>' should always work unless there is not sufficient video left
[19:15:15] xaxes: wagnerrp: it doesnt sometimes =\
[19:15:22] xaxes: excuse my bad english please
[19:18:45] AnNahar: wagnerrp: plz help sir
[19:19:15] AnNahar: all i get is "mythtv" in the top left
[19:19:19] AnNahar: and the blue background page
[19:19:58] wagnerrp: AnNahar: then theres some fault in generating the page, check your apache logs to see if its reporting something
[19:23:17] keith4: not that it's anywhere near possible, but it would be incredible to use this new iPad as a Myth frontend
[19:24:14] wagnerrp: keith4: it likely doesnt have the memory or CPU to run the stock frontend
[19:24:31] wagnerrp: better to write a new one from scratch specifically for that platform
[19:24:36] keith4: truth
[19:26:12] xaxes: an example: Im watching live-tv.. now I want to skip back and halding left pressed.. but it doesnt pass the "3 second behind" state
[19:26:39] xaxes: pressing "5 left" also ends in the 3-sec behind state
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[19:34:25] AnNahar: [Wed Jan 27 13:34:11 2010] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function disable_fatal_errors() on a non-object in /usr/share/mythweb/modules/tv/init.php on line 16
[19:36:02] GreyFoxx: Can't wait to get myth running on an ipad! :)
[19:38:39] AnNahar: wagnerrp: ?
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[19:50:01] keith4: it supports 720p H.264, so I guess that integrated GPU is decent
[19:50:10] wagnerrp: no
[19:50:19] wagnerrp: video decoding does not imply a GPU
[19:50:43] wagnerrp: even VDPAU does not run on the GPU
[19:50:50] AnNahar: wagnerrp: did you see the error?
[19:50:51] wagnerrp: but rather its own custom circuitry
[19:51:03] AnNahar: error_log:[Wed Jan 27 13:34:11 2010] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function disable_fatal_errors() on a non-object in /usr/share/mythweb/modules/tv/init.php on line 16
[19:51:03] wagnerrp: AnNahar: yes, i dont know what to tell you
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[19:52:13] sphery: oooh, goody... I can't wait. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1589 . . . -televisions
[19:52:39] iamlindoro: There goes sphery shoving 3D TV down our throats again
[19:52:41] iamlindoro: what a shill
[19:54:54] sphery: I just need to get you all to buy new HDTV's... How else am I going to get the world to replace the HDTV's they've just purchased?
[19:55:18] iamlindoro: just imagine the environmental impact if every consumer decides they now need a 3D TV
[19:55:54] sphery: Imagine how much better The Office will be when it looks like Steve Carell's nose is 2 inches away from yours...
[19:56:37] ivor: pah. Ricky Gervais surely. :)
[19:56:53] sphery: yeah, a new 3D TV and 1 to 6 pairs of active glasses--that will only work with sets manufactured by the same OEM
[19:57:13] iamlindoro: home theater buffs don't have six friends
[19:57:17] clever: sphery: ive seen 3d tv's that dont need glasses, let me find the link
[19:57:18] ivor: lol
[19:57:27] sphery: and require Li ion batteries--where we're seriously running out of Li
[19:57:42] wagnerrp: sphery: we are, but china isnt
[19:57:43] sphery: (not to mention the environmental impact of processing the Li)
[19:58:01] wagnerrp: it just means we will be at their mercy in the future
[19:58:05] clever: sphery: http://hackaday.com/2010/01/09/ces-3d-tv-without-glasses/
[19:58:20] clever: 'It appears to be some type of lens that works similar to those little printed holograms. '
[19:58:42] keith4: wagnerrp: okay. how about... "it seems to do smooth, fullscreen, 3D gaming, so I guess that integrated GPU is decent"?
[19:59:22] iamlindoro: @ 1024x768
[19:59:26] sphery: clever: circular polarization, perhaps?
[19:59:29] wagnerrp: that depends on what you consider to be '3d gaming'
[19:59:30] sphery: like IMAX, et al?
[19:59:46] wagnerrp: sphery: no, glasses-less
[19:59:56] clever: sphery: there are other articles on the site on how to make your own 3d display without glasses
[20:00:10] sphery: I think 3D TV is a waste
[20:00:17] clever: sphery: they basicaly use a lense or transparent grid so that you only see every 5th pixel
[20:00:18] wagnerrp: it uses a diffraction filter on the front, which causes an interference pattern in the viewing area
[20:00:28] clever: and as you move, the set of pixels you see will change
[20:00:35] iamlindoro: which wrecks the *non*-3D viewing AIUI
[20:00:39] sphery: 3D is fun for a 2-hr movie, but otherwise, it's a waste for video
[20:00:42] wagnerrp: at certain angles, only certain pixels will be viewable
[20:00:50] clever: wagnerrp: exactly
[20:00:51] wagnerrp: and theyre shifted at two inches
[20:00:51] sphery: (not so much for video games, perhaps, but for TV in general, it is)
[20:01:00] iamlindoro: "Here, let's go into the other room when I keep my second TV for 3D viewing"
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[20:01:05] wagnerrp: so you have to be in a specific position at a specific distance to see the effect
[20:01:17] iamlindoro: "You know, the one I can't watch normal content on"
[20:01:19] wagnerrp: Sharp put out a monitor that did this several years ago
[20:01:22] wagnerrp: we have one at work
[20:02:42] wagnerrp: sphery: it actually works better than any polarized/shutter display ive ever used
[20:02:43] clever: wagnerrp: one thing those 3d monitors could be used with, is 3d games
[20:02:50] wagnerrp: the only problem is the lack of resolution
[20:03:00] wagnerrp: its a 15" display running at 1024x768
[20:03:07] clever: the game engine is already providing 3d models for everything, just modify the GPU some to output 3d and your done for most games
[20:03:10] wagnerrp: and the horizontal res gets halved for 3D
[20:03:28] wagnerrp: clever: you dont have to do anything
[20:03:40] wagnerrp: for most games, its nothing more than the flick of a switch in the nvidia driver to support 3D
[20:03:51] clever: wagnerrp: yeah, for pc games
[20:03:57] clever: but on console's...
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[20:04:27] wagnerrp: on consoles, its a moot point because they dont have the interface bandwidth to support 3D
[20:04:48] sphery: s/moot point/the only reason they'll be able to sell next gen/
[20:04:57] wagnerrp: not to mention the cards themselves arent properly buffered to support 3D
[20:05:12] iamlindoro: PS3 purports to support 3D with a firmware upgrade
[20:05:33] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: yeah, but youre going to be sacrificing something
[20:05:38] wagnerrp: either resolution or framerate
[20:05:44] xaxes: thanks folks.. see ya
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[20:05:47] clever: wagnerrp: yeah, you would need to modify the gpu system to do the 3d right, but it could be done without an api change
[20:06:23] wagnerrp: you *can* do it on the existing GPUs
[20:06:27] wagnerrp: but probably not without flickering
[20:06:58] wagnerrp: either that or youre dropping the resolution and reallocating the frame buffer
[20:08:02] clever: your loosing half the resolution anyways because of how the 3d works
[20:08:15] clever: just render 2 smaller frames
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[20:14:20] watson540: been setting up mythbackend for a while..set up some recordings yesterday, but it was still set to transcode to rtjpeg..which is a codec ive never heard of..let alone have...so is there anyway to go through and select all these shows that errored out and select them for transcoding again..without having to manually run mythtranscode?
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[20:16:05] wagnerrp: what type of tuner do you have?
[20:16:58] RyeBrye: When things like avatar come out on bluray anyone know if they are planning to release in a format that works with existing 3d tv's? (like http://pages.samsung.com/us/dlp3d/ samsung ones)? Or is that dlp3d tech never going to actually be used in mainstream?
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[20:17:35] iamlindoro: It is highly unlikely they will be released in any format other than the new BluRay3d format
[20:17:39] wagnerrp: there are intents to update the firmware on capable bluray to support 3D
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[20:17:41] iamlindoro: and 3D format, that is
[20:17:47] iamlindoro: er any
[20:18:04] RyeBrye: I wonder if bluray3d will work with the existing DLP tv's
[20:18:09] iamlindoro: Something as big as Avatr might see a stereoscopic version, I guess, but yuck
[20:18:20] iamlindoro: RyeBrye: Probably not
[20:19:01] wagnerrp: you either need a very fast display for shutter glasses, or filters for polarization
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[20:19:36] wagnerrp: only 120Hz and better tvs may be able to be retrofitted for the former, and nothing will work with the latter
[20:22:12] watson540: wgnif you were referring to me..it's an ivtv-compatible..hauppage wintv-pvrusb2
[20:22:21] watson540: outputs straight mpeg2
[20:22:49] wagnerrp: watson540: in which case you are using mpeg2, and myth's transcoder will not provide any significant advantage to you
[20:23:11] watson540: wagnerrp: how could you say that?? those program streams are HUGE
[20:23:15] wagnerrp: you can losslessly clip commercials with it
[20:23:18] watson540: mp4 provides a HUGE gain is spoace
[20:23:28] wagnerrp: or you can get moderate additional compression using mp4
[20:23:51] watson540: i know its 2010, but I sitll have less tan 500gb in hd space :(
[20:23:56] wagnerrp: myth's mp4 implementation is part 2, or asp, advanced simple profile
[20:24:04] watson540: with really only 10gig allocated for myth
[20:24:19] watson540: err..100gug
[20:24:25] wagnerrp: h264/avc is only rated for double the efficiency of mpeg2
[20:24:30] wagnerrp: asp is something far less
[20:24:34] iamlindoro: And if you really want to save space in the first place, just bump down your capture bitrate
[20:25:12] watson540: good idea iamlindoro ..i know how to do that through the sysfs interface..but i imagine ill have to hunt down the option inn...myfrontend..or mythtv-setup?
[20:25:18] wagnerrp: sure, you can use asp to drop a 5GB mpeg2 dvd to a 700MB cd
[20:25:24] iamlindoro: mythfrontend, recording profiles
[20:25:32] wagnerrp: but youre incurring a huge loss in quality in the process
[20:25:47] watson540: about the same as transcoing right?? only saving time
[20:26:02] watson540: i don't mind really..mpeg2 is too good for analog tv anyway
[20:26:11] wagnerrp: too good?
[20:26:24] watson540: as in..bitrates exceed analog tv
[20:26:38] wagnerrp: then drop your recording profile to 2mbps or so
[20:26:51] watson540: I'll give it a try...i suppose..
[20:26:57] wagnerrp: should get you around 100hrs on that amount of space
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[20:27:05] iamlindoro: setting your capture bitrate to equal what you would like and leaving it at that will be much nicer looking than capturing at higher bitrate and doing a lossy transcode to an inferior codec at that bitrate
[20:27:13] watson540: is there a way to select all these older mpeg2 files..without manualkly running mythtranscode?
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[20:27:36] iamlindoro: depends on what you mean by manually-- you can go into Watch Recordings, choose job options, and kick off the transcode from there
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[20:27:45] wagnerrp: you either have to run it through the menus in the GUI for each individually
[20:27:46] watson540: iamlindoro: exactly..thanks
[20:27:54] watson540: thanks ..bnoth of you
[20:27:57] wagnerrp: or you have to write a script to add the jobs into the database
[20:28:13] wagnerrp: i wouldnt suggest running mythtranscode manually from the command line
[20:29:07] iamlindoro: We got a whole slough of totally ignorant feature requests this AM
[20:29:43] watson540: yeah i didnt want to do the cmd line mythtranscode when i saw all the options it required
[20:29:47] wagnerrp: the suggestion to move to gstreamer was genius
[20:29:55] watson540: so..2MBPS is how many kbps?? 2000?
[20:30:17] wagnerrp: watson540: 2000kbps or 2048kbps... you never can tell which these days
[20:31:13] watson540: do you think i should scale the res down to 480x480 as well?
[20:31:32] wagnerrp: no, you should keep the resolution on those cards to 720x480
[20:31:38] wagnerrp: you get weird artifacts otherwise
[20:31:52] watson540: okay..thanks
[20:32:46] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: any idea if the freeze and release is still on schedule?
[20:33:06] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: Nothing set in stone, but until I hear otherwise I'm assuming we're still on schedule
[20:33:23] oobe: iamlindoro, is arclight still non-free I'm asking cause its in trunk and doesnt seem to require any special font as you said it would earlier
[20:33:30] wagnerrp: i told the mythbuntu guys i would backport the upnp stuff in the bindings if it slipped too far and they ended up sticking with 0.22
[20:33:51] iamlindoro: oobe: If you are experimenting with trunk code, you are expected to be reading commits, and that's all I will say on that
[20:34:08] wagnerrp: the commit message explains all
[20:34:34] oobe: iamlindoro, im not really expirimenting with trunk at the moment im just using fixes
[20:34:51] iamlindoro: oobe: Arclight is trunk code-- so you are
[20:34:55] wagnerrp: Mallick on the -users list needs a burning...
[20:35:02] oobe: however i get the impression the answer is in commits
[20:35:18] iamlindoro: and trying to use development code in some wacky, unapproved way is one thing-- but please don't speak to me about it at all
[20:35:40] iamlindoro: ie, don't waste my time when you're doing something nuts with my code, I don't have the patience to spare and I have real work to do
[20:37:22] oobe: i was only asking about the license
[20:37:30] oobe: im not asking for support
[20:38:03] iamlindoro: oobe: You are asking questions covered by information you are required to read if you are using it
[20:38:14] iamlindoro: thus, please don't contact me about it
[20:40:54] oobe: ok found it
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[20:41:16] oobe: dont know why you didnt want to answer my question
[20:42:27] iamlindoro: why should I be obliged to, when you don't feel obliged to read commits, but still want answers about development code?
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[20:43:03] oobe: i wasnt asking a technical question
[20:44:01] iamlindoro: But you were asking a question answered in the commit-- which you are expected to read when using code, which you admit you are
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[20:45:19] elmojo: iamlindoro: thanks for the bumping the patch on the ML :)
[20:45:39] iamlindoro: elmojo: np :)
[20:45:50] elmojo: actually got a dev to respond
[20:46:10] iamlindoro: yeah, I saw
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[21:02:46] elmojo: iamlindoro: I thought I recall you mentioning you had 22TB of storage.. is this true?
[21:02:52] iamlindoro: elmojo: yeah
[21:02:58] iamlindoro: 11 x 2TB
[21:03:12] elmojo: at your home?
[21:03:18] iamlindoro: yeah
[21:03:27] GlemSom: 22TB?!?! Who really needs THAT much p0rn?
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[21:03:44] elmojo: that probably makes sphery jealous
[21:04:14] iamlindoro: amusingly, I usually have ~10 items in my PBB while he has > 1000
[21:05:15] elmojo: I guess you make very good use of storage groups ;)
[21:05:32] iamlindoro: Heh, it's mostly MythVideo, and the portion of it that is is RAID 6
[21:06:34] elmojo: I felt like I was splurging when I bought a 1TB drive after the prices dropped
[21:06:39] sphery: some disk errors on my mythbackend root drive (a 750GB) may mean I get some another and a quarter TB
[21:07:33] elmojo: sphery: do you think you'll ever get caught up on all your shows?
[21:07:39] sphery: good question
[21:08:07] elmojo: it'll be the year 2024 and you'll be still be in 2016
[21:08:13] sphery: I think I'll permanently be way behind, but will delete many series without watching
[21:08:52] elmojo: that's actually pretty smart... record all the new series and if you find out they are bombs or the networks are going to drop them then don't bother wasting your time
[21:08:52] sphery: being way behind is nice in that I can watch a whole season at a time (basically, I pick a show and watch it until I've finished the season), which is much easier than the wait 1–4 weeks for the next episode approach
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[21:09:03] sphery: exactly... that's what I do
[21:09:15] sphery: should be able to delete a bunch before long as things are cancelled
[21:09:33] iamlindoro: and given the disarray of American Television, they will be
[21:09:35] sphery: currently have 1233 outstanding
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[21:10:33] sphery: (thought I'd guess that only a small fraction of those are really outstanding shows :)
[21:12:29] elmojo: sphery: did you ever get your Regor-based backend going... was wondering how the power-usage is
[21:12:40] elmojo: I'm in the process of making a decision
[21:13:02] sphery: I got a 65W one
[21:13:27] sphery: it's not yet running as the backend, but will be in a month or 2
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[21:15:12] AnNahar: anyone familiar with this mythweb error?
[21:15:14] AnNahar: error_log:[Wed Jan 27 13:34:11 2010] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function disable_fatal_errors() on a non-object in /usr/share/mythweb/modules/tv/init.php on line 16
[21:16:47] sphery: elmojo: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/408237#408237 , though the numbers for the 45W TDP 5050e are really for a 65W Sempron 3300+ (I hadn't run the 45W on the Kill-a-Watt and confused older records for the host from before switching hardware)
[21:16:59] sphery: the Regor 240 numbers are good, though
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[21:18:06] sphery: AnNahar: what PHP version?
[21:18:23] AnNahar: php-common-5.3.1–1.fc12.i686
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[21:19:00] sphery: hmmm... no guesses, then. sorry
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[21:30:53] messerting: Hi, not long ago I popped in and bragged about how MythTV UPnP "just worked" with my new internet radio
[21:31:10] messerting: well, now it doesn't work that well anymore..
[21:31:26] iamlindoro: That'll teah you to brag I guess
[21:31:28] iamlindoro: teach
[21:31:50] messerting: I couldn't find much info about what ports I need to open in my firewall, but have opened port 1900 for udp
[21:31:53] messerting: yep
[21:32:18] wagnerrp: why are you running a firewall?
[21:32:49] messerting: well, I don't trust wireless encryption I guess...
[21:33:06] messerting: or rather – in order to make my life miserable? :)
[21:33:44] messerting: thing is – it works "sometimes" and then my radio just shows an empty list
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[21:34:27] messerting: oh, just saw the "--upnprebuild" option, nice will try
[21:35:31] wagnerrp: well WEP is wholly insecure
[21:35:45] wagnerrp: however WPA was only recently cracked
[21:35:45] wagnerrp: and WPA2 is still perfectly fine
[21:35:57] messerting: it seems upnpmedia is just reporting building of the VIDEO group (not music)
[21:36:23] messerting: well, I do use WPA2
[21:36:24] wagnerrp: is this a backend-only machine?
[21:37:08] messerting: it is a combined FE/BE
[21:37:14] ** messerting have turned off the firewall now **
[21:37:25] wagnerrp: ok, because mythmusic needs to be set up on each individual machine
[21:37:45] wagnerrp: including the backend that is serving UPNP
[21:38:02] messerting: ok, I see.
[21:38:48] messerting: but it is set up. Should I see a mention of music when I do "mythbackend -v media,upnp --upnprebuild"?
[21:39:00] wagnerrp: dont know off hand
[21:40:35] messerting: This is what I see: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1768534
[21:40:52] messerting: Maybe "MCP::DefaultUPnP() – No default UPnP backend" is the problem?
[21:42:13] messerting: I'll try to look around in the sources
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[22:15:29] mishehu: I've been recording off of my hvr-2250, so I end up with mpeg2ts files. I'd like to edit out the commercials, and then use external applications to transcode my recordings. it is possible to mark cut points in myth and then that it recopy the file (without transcoding) ?
[22:15:58] mishehu: I've used avidemux2 in the past for this, but as the audio in the mpeg2ts files is ac3, I lose synchronization after the first cut point
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[22:18:08] mishehu: what I did like about avidemux2 is that as long as you line up your cut points with I-frames, you can do a lossless and quick copy of the file.
[22:18:24] wagnerrp: mishehu: yes, use 'lossless' transcoding within mythtranscode
[22:18:31] wagnerrp: it will clip out the cutpoints
[22:18:56] wagnerrp: and restructure the mpeg2 around those points to fill in with I frames
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[22:20:47] mishehu: wagnerrp: might you have a link to how to mark the cut points?
[22:20:53] mishehu: not finding it in the wiki
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[22:21:29] wagnerrp: edit mode
[22:21:56] wagnerrp: either hit 'e', or go into 'edit recording' in the 'm' menu while watching a recording
[22:26:25] mishehu: ah ok
[22:26:42] mishehu: and I'm looking at mythtranscode right now, seems the optino is --mpeg2
[22:27:06] mishehu: and --honorcutlist as well
[22:27:43] mishehu: will this replace the existing file though?
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[22:34:08] wagnerrp: yes it will
[22:34:33] wagnerrp: it transcodes to a temp file, and replaces the new with the old upon successful completinon
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[22:35:57] mishehu: so the only way to make a backup of the original is to manually copy it
[22:36:16] wagnerrp: i believe there is some 'nooverwrite' option, but ive never used it
[22:36:34] wagnerrp: anyway yes... you currently cannot have multiple files bound to a single recording in mythtv
[22:36:43] wagnerrp: this is something that may change in 0.24
[22:37:00] mishehu: I don't see --no-overwrite, but I do see --infiile and --outfile
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[22:48:52] clever: mishehu: under mythtv-setup you can tell mythtranscode to keep the old copy
[22:49:07] clever: but mythtv wont know about that old copy, so it will never be deleted
[22:50:38] mishehu: ok
[22:50:51] mishehu: so it's probably still best just to manually copy it for my trial run
[22:51:15] mishehu: since if it works fine, there's really no need to keep the originals.
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[22:53:24] mishehu: thanks for the tips folks
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