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| [02:22:23] | firefly2442: | What are the commandline tools to check for a signal/channels for an NTSC cable connection? I have a pcHDTV 3000 card. Details here: http://pastebin.com/d5de4a54b |
| [02:22:53] | Dagmar: | There's not any that I'm aware of |
| [02:23:14] | wagnerrp: | generally in this channel, we just tell you to give up and get an mpeg encoder |
| [02:23:19] | [R]: | lol |
| [02:23:34] | wagnerrp: | unless do you actually mean QAM? |
| [02:23:42] | Dagmar: | Mainly you set up an account with Schedules Direct and tell it to fetch channels. |
| [02:23:42] | wagnerrp: | QAM == digital, NTSC == analog |
| [02:24:08] | firefly2442: | ok, well I have basic cable, how do I figure out if I have digital or analog? |
| [02:24:25] | wagnerrp: | you have analog cable |
| [02:24:26] | Dagmar: | You call the cable company and ask them what you're paying them for. |
| [02:24:39] | Dagmar: | Trust me, it's a question they're used to answering. |
| [02:24:39] | wagnerrp: | however you can probably pick up your local broadcast channels over QAM |
| [02:24:50] | Dagmar: | The only novelty here will be your tone of voice. |
| [02:24:52] | firefly2442: | I have a couple local channels that come in HD (1080i) |
| [02:25:03] | wagnerrp: | that doesnt really get you anything, besides not needing an antenna |
| [02:26:38] | firefly2442: | so if it's analog NTSC cable, can I use the DVB drivers or do I need to use the older V4L ones? |
| [02:26:57] | wagnerrp: | the v4l ones |
| [02:29:18] | firefly2442: | hmm, I just switched to one of the HD channels and hit "info" on my remote and it says Dolby Digital, maybe they are in digital then? |
| [02:29:41] | [R]: | there is no hd analog |
| [02:29:41] | firefly2442: | dumb question: can they mix analog and digital together depending on the channel? |
| [02:29:42] | wagnerrp: | your card is a hybrid tuner |
| [02:29:44] | Dagmar: | If they're HD, they're digital. |
| [02:29:49] | Dagmar: | If they're dolby, that doesn't mean a whole lot |
| [02:29:50] | wagnerrp: | you can pick up both analog and digital with that card |
| [02:29:54] | firefly2442: | ahh ok |
| [02:29:58] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: That model picks up just about everything |
| [02:30:13] | wagnerrp: | one channel will either be analog or digital, but not both at the same time |
| [02:30:21] | wagnerrp: | however your cable co can broadcast a mix |
| [02:30:22] | Dagmar: | firefly2442: They can''t mix analog and digital, period |
| [02:30:39] | wagnerrp: | often channels under 70 or so will be analog, while above will be digital |
| [02:31:11] | Dagmar: | Anything above 132 will definitely be digital. |
| [02:31:12] | firefly2442: | so are these channels that are being picked up by my TV over the air or through my coaxial line? |
| [02:31:21] | Dagmar: | Anything with a hyphen in it will be digital. |
| [02:31:25] | wagnerrp: | do you have an antenna? |
| [02:31:28] | firefly2442: | yep, it's got a hyphen |
| [02:31:31] | firefly2442: | no antenna |
| [02:32:02] | wagnerrp: | then you cant possibly be picking up stuff from over the air |
| [02:32:08] | Dagmar: | If you're connected to coaxial cable and suspect you're picking up signals from the air, if the other end of that cable isn't plugged into an antenna, it's time to beat the pets and make them stop chewing on your cables |
| [02:32:23] | Dagmar: | The major point of coax is that it's shielded to put a stop to that |
| [02:32:45] | wagnerrp: | or the parents, for clipping that long black weed outside |
| [02:32:49] | firefly2442: | lol ok, I wasn't sure if digital was strong enough in some areas so that you wouldn't even need an antenna but it doesn't sound like it |
| [02:33:17] | Dagmar: | It's not very hard to make an antenna for ATSC. |
| [02:33:23] | wagnerrp: | some devices have built in antenna |
| [02:33:29] | wagnerrp: | but you absolutely do need one to pick up channels |
| [02:33:39] | wagnerrp: | unless youre sitting 20ft in front of the transmitter |
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| [02:33:57] | firefly2442: | do some TVs have built in antennas? it's a fairly new Samsung |
| [02:34:10] | Dagmar: | Gneerally, no |
| [02:35:04] | Dagmar: | Frankly, I'd have to take wagnerrp's word for it that a TV of any size had a built-in antenna |
| [02:35:09] | Dagmar: | I've never seen one. |
| [02:35:20] | wagnerrp: | honestly, ive never seen one |
| [02:35:32] | wagnerrp: | but i figured some smaller ones might have one built in |
| [02:35:40] | Dagmar: | little portables, sure. Big old 32" flat panels, not a chance |
| [02:35:41] | wagnerrp: | ones that are designed to be semi-mobile |
| [02:35:50] | firefly2442: | so essentially for the capture card I have, I need to decide if I want to watch digital or analog? only hybrid tuners are able to switch like that between signal types? |
| [02:36:02] | wagnerrp: | hybrid tuners can do either |
| [02:36:06] | wagnerrp: | but not both at the same time |
| [02:36:23] | wagnerrp: | you will have to tell mythtv that the two halves are on the same tuner |
| [02:36:29] | wagnerrp: | and that it cannot use both simultaneously |
| [02:36:36] | wagnerrp: | you do that by adding them to an input group |
| [02:39:18] | Dagmar: | So basically, to unconfuse that, you tell Myth you have two tuners, one digital, one analog. THen you bind them together in an input group so that it knows it's only allowed to use one of them at a time. |
| [02:39:49] | firefly2442: | so it's the same physical tuner? |
| [02:40:04] | Dagmar: | Yep |
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| [02:52:36] | quinten: | hi, i recently had to replace my motherboard |
| [02:52:52] | quinten: | i'm thinking it might be a good chance to upgrade to a quieter fan |
| [02:52:54] | quinten: | any recs? |
| [02:53:00] | quinten: | AMD X2 |
| [02:53:08] | quinten: | compact case |
| [02:53:12] | wagnerrp: | for the board? or the fan? |
| [02:55:34] | quinten: | for the fan. I just in my motherboard under warranty |
| [02:56:31] | quinten: | it's silly but i'm just thinking about it because i'll need to buy new heatsink compound :) |
| [03:03:01] | Dagmar: | silentpcreview.com |
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| [03:47:06] | doje: | hello. how can I diagnose why the program guide often freezes? |
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| [04:01:58] | Tanthrix: | Can I assume that installing the Arcsoft software for my HD-PVR, installing the updated driver, and watching some video on my windows box is sufficient to load my HD-PVR with the latest firmware? |
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| [04:18:33] | cesman: | Tanthrix: yes |
| [04:18:53] | cesman: | Tanthrix: beware, there is a new revision of the HD PVR |
| [04:19:04] | cesman: | Tanthrix: lsusb |
| [04:19:35] | Dagmar: | Eh? |
| [04:19:37] | cesman: | Tanthrix: if you see 2040:4982 Hauppauge, it won't work w/o patching and recompilation of the source |
| [04:20:25] | Dagmar: | The one I got from Hauppauge right at the start of this year was 2040:4902 |
| [04:20:29] | cesman: | spoke w/ janneg earlier and he'll upload the fixes "in a few days" |
| [04:20:35] | cesman: | Dagmar: that will work |
| [04:20:51] | Dagmar: | Considering I've been using it since then, yeah |
| [04:20:52] | cesman: | 2040:4982 is the new one |
| [04:21:52] | cesman: | at any rate... |
| [04:22:05] | cesman: | Tanthrix: query me if you need assistance |
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| [04:23:06] | Dagmar: | cesman: Could you get me the udev info for that one? |
| [04:23:29] | Tanthrix: | cesman: Thanks, it looks like mine is the old one. It appears to be working just fine right now...and man is it incredible. |
| [04:23:33] | cesman: | let me know want command you want to run and I'll pastebin the output |
| [04:23:45] | cesman: | Tanthrix: cool |
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| [04:24:06] | Dagmar: | udevadm info -a -p $(udevadm info -q path -n /dev/video9) |
| [04:24:08] | Dagmar: | I *think* |
| [04:24:18] | Dagmar: | The second form may be screwed up |
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| [04:24:25] | Tanthrix: | It's Rev: E1, 49001 LF |
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| [04:24:37] | Tanthrix: | (From the sticker on the bottom middle) |
| [04:24:47] | Dagmar: | My box has udevinfo, but the name changed and the syntax is very slightly different now |
| [04:24:51] | cesman: | Tanthrix: mine states Rev E1 as well |
| [04:25:15] | Dagmar: | Mainly udevinfo is the same as udevadm info, but I'm not sure about the sysfs path-findin subshell |
| [04:25:18] | Tanthrix: | cesman: Oh? So what problems is yours having – not working at all, or working sporatically? |
| [04:25:28] | cesman: | not working at all |
| [04:25:50] | cesman: | posted on it yesterday... |
| [04:26:01] | Tanthrix: | Well, mine is working fine on Ubuntu 9.10 stock. You might give that a try if you have the livecd available, just for testing purposes. |
| [04:26:15] | Tanthrix: | I didn't even have to do anything but plug it in. |
| [04:26:25] | Dagmar: | Oh... Does the driver recognize it? |
| [04:26:33] | Dagmar: | That could bring things to a screetching halt |
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| [04:27:05] | cesman: | Dagmar: http://pastebin.com/m705d38e6 |
| [04:27:38] | cesman: | again, I have a new revision it would work w/o making changes to the driver |
| [04:27:52] | Dagmar: | huh? |
| [04:27:55] | cesman: | working with janneg earlier, the driver has been patched and it is now working |
| [04:28:06] | cesman: | it wouldn't |
| [04:28:17] | Dagmar: | Okay that's what I figured becuase I'm looking at the list of ids in the driver right now |
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| [04:28:37] | Dagmar: | udev can be prodded to match it without changing the driver, but fixing the driver is probably less hassle |
| [04:28:49] | Tanthrix: | cesman: Oh, got it. Even though ours both say E1, my lsusb output is 2040:4902 |
| [04:29:12] | Dagmar: | Okay. Awesome. The "important stuff" I'm suggesting people match it against on the new wiki page will still work |
| [04:29:20] | Dagmar: | cesman: Thanks muchly |
| [04:29:29] | cesman: | you're welcome |
| [04:29:41] | Dagmar: | Tanthrix: Mine says E1 on the bottom as well |
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| [04:30:05] | Tanthrix: | Dagmar: Good to know. Incidentally, is there a way to tell what firmware version your box is using? |
| [04:31:06] | Dagmar: | Oh great |
| [04:31:26] | Dagmar: | Since iamlindoro wanted to be a fascist, no changes can be made to the HD-PVR page now |
| [04:32:14] | iamlindoro: | Since Dagmar wanted to unilaterally decide what people should read on the page in spite of having no authority in the project and limited experience with the hardware, I was forced to protect the page |
| [04:32:30] | iamlindoro: | feel free to push your luck again, because I am through with being patient with you |
| [04:32:31] | Dagmar: | "unilaterally" my foot. It's a wiki. Reverting it was plenty |
| [04:33:02] | Tanthrix: | Well, I think there's good reason for making the HdFury page separate – there is an awful lot of info on the HdFury on a page that is supposed to be about the HD-PVR. |
| [04:33:12] | Dagmar: | ...and I still say it would be more useful to just split that out to a page discussing nothing but how to get around such blocks |
| [04:33:31] | ** Tanthrix just hopes Comcast doesn't kill off the component output in the future ** | |
| [04:33:50] | Dagmar: | Tanthrix: That's kinda where I was headed. I don't have a personal problem with the hd-fury/2 |
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| [04:34:33] | Dagmar: | Being that it's been almost two years now I don't think the FCC is going to give the MPAA their waiver |
| [04:34:53] | Dagmar: | ...at least, I'd be pretty surpised if they did. Their petition was more than just a smidge self-serving |
| [04:35:02] | Tanthrix: | Dagmar: Well, it would be better to create the new page first then nuke the part on the HD-PVR, rather than the other way around. I think it is important to keep in the wiki regardless of its potential illegal uses. |
| [04:35:32] | Dagmar: | I'm still unable to find anything that would show in the UK working around the component output change would be the least bit illegal, but I can't tell if that's my unfamiliarity with their terms or what |
| [04:36:04] | Dagmar: | Tanthrix: I had it copied to a notepad document at the time, since there's no easy way to tell MW "take this bit and fork it to it's own page" |
| [04:37:31] | Tanthrix: | Well, in iamlindoro's defense, the way you presented your action was that you nuked it for good for reasons of keeping myth nice and legal, not that you were moving it. |
| [04:37:34] | Dagmar: | Geez I spent so much time beating on those templates I had to go back through the log to remember where http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Common_Problem:_na . . . e_conditions was |
| [04:38:33] | Tanthrix: | Schedules Direct is awesome for separating channels out by catagory...this is saving me so much time, easily nuking all the sports, premium, etc.. |
| [04:39:17] | Dagmar: | I wonder... |
| [04:39:51] | Dagmar: | It might be possible to hook udev to just load the hdpvr driver on the new usb id and make it load the driver anyway |
| [04:40:47] | Dagmar: | Mine's recording this very second... I'll try and remember to cheat when I get home. Hack up the driver for the newer usbid and then see if a udev hook of one typable (and requireing no recompile) line can make it work |
| [04:40:53] | clever: | Dagmar: i think its mostly up to the kernel module, as to what devices it claims |
| [04:41:03] | Dagmar: | Well, yes that is true, but... |
| [04:41:09] | Dagmar: | You can make udev change things |
| [04:41:24] | clever: | if the module is loaded when you insert the device, it should claim it, assuming you hacked the source to claim that id |
| [04:41:31] | Dagmar: | Whether or not the driver would still then give you the finger because the usbid doesn't match, I don't know |
| [04:41:38] | clever: | id think udev would only help for auto-loading the module |
| [04:41:55] | Dagmar: | No, udev is the mechanism by which the module is "auto" loaded, man |
| [04:42:08] | Dagmar: | It gets this info from the driver modules when you modprobe |
| [04:42:17] | Dagmar: | It's loaded into a nice file for speedier matching |
| [04:42:32] | clever: | isnt that depmod? |
| [04:42:49] | Dagmar: | bleh yeah |
| [04:42:57] | Dagmar: | I never depmod manually anymore |
| [04:43:26] | clever: | i still need it alot, since some of my gentoo systems still have the kernel built/installed manualy |
| [04:44:43] | Dagmar: | ATTRS{modalias}=="usb:v2040p4982*", DRIVERS="hdpvr" might well do the trick |
| [04:44:58] | Dagmar: | clever: Don' do that |
| [04:45:02] | Dagmar: | Make an installkernel script |
| [04:45:14] | clever: | yeah, thats probly better |
| [04:45:20] | clever: | less chance of forgeting a step |
| [04:45:27] | Dagmar: | http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/experimental/installkernel |
| [04:45:44] | Dagmar: | I'm not sure that one will really work on anything but Slackware, but it's generic enough |
| [04:46:26] | clever: | for me its basicaly make;cp arch/something/boot/bzImage /boot;make modules install |
| [04:46:28] | Dagmar: | Provided you're using lilo, and the necessary bits are subject to a level of indirection through symlinks in /boot, `make install` will suddenly do something more useful (and compress the kernel modules) |
| [04:46:30] | clever: | ;depmod |
| [04:47:03] | Dagmar: | You jus thave to plop it in /sbin for the kernel makefiles to see |
| [04:47:10] | clever: | i do have a makefile for my initrd, which copies some files in and builds the final file |
| [04:48:11] | clever: | which reminds me, i had fun getting firmware to load inside the initrd |
| [04:48:34] | Dagmar: | There's a reason for that |
| [04:48:38] | clever: | i basicaly made my own udev script which can only handle firmware requests, and then runs the firmware helper i stole from udev |
| [04:49:01] | Dagmar: | Yeah, see, sane people would not load firmware in an initrd because it's an initrd. |
| [04:49:16] | clever: | the plan was to use wifi to pull in my root image |
| [04:49:17] | Dagmar: | They would load their firmware from the remote-mounted / |
| [04:49:26] | Dagmar: | ouch. Okay |
| [04:49:26] | clever: | and the wifi card needed firmware |
| [04:49:41] | clever: | atleast i didnt try to use ndiswrapper |
| [04:49:57] | Dagmar: | You have far more faith in the capabilities of wifi than I do |
| [04:50:02] | clever: | i got it far enough that 'iwlist scan' actualy found something |
| [04:50:15] | clever: | but i was in a moving vehicle, so i had nothing to actualy test it on |
| [04:50:35] | clever: | it wouldnt need the wifi 24/7, just long enough to pull in ~200mb of data |
| [04:50:41] | clever: | which it unpacks to a tmpfs and uses as root |
| [04:52:51] | clever: | i need to get to bed, i'll be back later |
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| [04:54:30] | Tanthrix: | You know what would be cool? A myth video filter that can undo the crappy "super stretch" that some HD stations do to turn 4:3 content into wide screen. |
| [04:54:50] | Tanthrix: | Some crop which of course could not be undone, but I imagine the whole gradient stretching thing could. |
| [04:54:53] | wagnerrp: | there are several zoom modes |
| [04:55:52] | Tanthrix: | wagnerrp: I'm referring to stations that broadcast in HD, but stretch 4:3 content non-linearly. (ie, the sides are stretched more than the middle in order to make the distortion less apparent.) |
| [04:56:29] | wagnerrp: | not sure if non-linear stretching could be possible |
| [04:56:50] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does no scaling of its own |
| [04:57:15] | wagnerrp: | it simply tells Xv (or VDPAU, or DirectX, or the mac thing) what to do |
| [04:57:35] | Tanthrix: | wagnerrp: Ah, I see. Ah well, just a random thought anyway. |
| [04:57:50] | wagnerrp: | maybe you could do something with the opengl renderer |
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| [04:57:59] | wagnerrp: | but doubtful if you could with any of the others |
| [04:58:17] | Tanthrix: | Not worth it then, I suspect. |
| [04:59:50] | Tanthrix: | Anyone have any thoughts about whether it is better (in terms of quality) to set your cable box to output 1080i then let myth deinterlace or set the box to do 720p and forget about it? |
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| [05:00:56] | Dagmar: | That's very odd that they changed the usb product code |
| [05:01:15] | Dagmar: | Tanthrix: When in doubt, postpone deinterlacing until the last, possible second. |
| [05:01:24] | Dagmar: | The only thing you can do is _not_ screw up the video. |
| [05:01:45] | Dagmar: | If you know your box isn't going to deinterlace for crap tho, go ahead and have the cable box do it |
| [05:02:18] | [R]: | Tanthrix: well you're gona be downscaling... which is lame |
| [05:02:19] | Dagmar: | I think the word you were looking for there is "anamorphic" but I'm not sure |
| [05:03:18] | wagnerrp: | anamorphic actually implies that the content was originally widescreen |
| [05:03:47] | wagnerrp: | no, hes just talking about some non-linear scaler that keeps the aspect ratio proper in the center of the screen, and stretches it more on the edges |
| [05:04:03] | wagnerrp: | you see it somewhat often in the 'widescreen mode' in games |
| [05:04:04] | Shadow__X: | like a carnival funtime mirror |
| [05:04:13] | Dagmar: | There's a term for it. I *thought* it was anamorphic but I'l ltkae your word on it |
| [05:04:14] | Tanthrix: | Anamorphic just means stretching widescreen content onto a 4:3 frame, ie a 35mm film. And yes to what wagnerrp just said. |
| [05:04:33] | Tanthrix: | Dagmar: There are a lot of terms, mainly from TV manufacturers. ie, super stretch, super zoom etc.. |
| [05:04:37] | Dagmar: | So I've submitted both the product codes for the HD PVR at https://usb-ids.gowdy.us/read/UD/2040 which maybe will start showing up in distros six months from now |
| [05:04:55] | wagnerrp: | rather than actually render further into the periphery, the games non-linearly stretch the 4:3 render |
| [05:05:07] | Dagmar: | Tanthrix: I actually stumbled across it mentioned while I was doing research into WTF _specifically_ was supposed to be happening with overscan |
| [05:05:10] | [R]: | i hate stretch o vision |
| [05:05:13] | [R]: | when the camera pans |
| [05:05:13] | Tanthrix: | Ok, just switched the box to 1080i output, now deinterlacing with myth. Looks like it may be slightly better, so I'll keep it like that. Damn this thing is beautiful. |
| [05:05:17] | [R]: | and you can see the distortions |
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| [05:05:59] | Dagmar: | I mean, c'mon by now you gotta know scientists have a name for freaking everything, even if they don't tell anyone else |
| [05:06:48] | Shadow__X: | carnival fun time mirror not good enough? |
| [05:08:15] | Tanthrix: | I like that one. |
| [05:09:11] | Tanthrix: | Hrm. I really want to shut down my system and rip out the PVR-150, but I fear that my anger the universe and cause the HD-PVR to start misbehaving. |
| [05:09:51] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:10:13] | ip_goat_rodeo: | my pvr-150 is now sitting on top of my scanner. |
| [05:10:16] | Tanthrix: | Especially since this took me all of about 5 minutes to go from nothing to perfectly working HD-PVR. |
| [05:10:27] | ip_goat_rodeo: | sadly I have nothing that can replace it |
| [05:10:27] | Tanthrix: | I am, shall we say, dubious. |
| [05:10:59] | Shadow__X: | Tanthrix: just leave it |
| [05:11:23] | Tanthrix: | Shadow__X: I think I will, at least for a few days. |
| [05:12:16] | Speedy2: | Set box to 720p or 1080i? How are you digitizing the content? |
| [05:12:32] | wagnerrp: | with a HDPVR |
| [05:12:55] | Speedy2: | 1394 doesn't work? |
| [05:13:07] | wagnerrp: | not if its flagged for copy protection |
| [05:13:10] | Dagmar: | Tanthrix: I know the feeling. Like half the caveats on the PVR-500 page are things I hit full in the face and had to figure out |
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| [05:13:21] | Speedy2: | I meant specifically in his case. |
| [05:13:27] | Dagmar: | Like the incredibly entertaining "pre-emptive multitasking will spontaneously reboot your stuff" |
| [05:13:58] | Dagmar: | Speedy2: You can pretty much assume that unless he's living on another planet, copy-protection is enabled. |
| [05:14:34] | Tanthrix: | Speedy2: Firewire was all open for a while, then suddenly went encrypted a year or two ago. |
| [05:14:48] | Speedy2: | Did you try to call and have them change it? |
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| [05:15:15] | Tanthrix: | Speedy2: Regardless, even if it opened up today, I wouldn't use it unless I had some sort of gurantee that it would stay that way. |
| [05:15:39] | Dagmar: | Dangit I remember the image they used to illustrate the funhouse stretch, but can't find the page again |
| [05:15:42] | Tanthrix: | Speedy2: Surely you jest...."Firewire? What the heck is firewire?" is how that call would begin. It would end with "Have a good day sir, we don't give a damn" |
| [05:16:10] | [R]: | oh i have a GREAT firewire story |
| [05:16:13] | [R]: | i called up Cox |
| [05:16:18] | [R]: | complaining about firewire |
| [05:16:24] | [R]: | and she said "oh firewall? let me transfer you" |
| [05:16:25] | ip_goat_rodeo: | we don't care, we don't have to care, we're the phone^H^H^H^H^Hcable company |
| [05:16:30] | Dagmar: | They reflashed your box and killed it? |
| [05:16:48] | [R]: | it wasn't working in the first place (although to their credit... it was... my cable was bad) |
| [05:17:37] | Dagmar: | The only thing I don't like about the firewire thing is that I've not yet found the documentation of WTF commands the 6200/pace units actually use |
| [05:17:57] | Tanthrix: | Actually, I take it back, I do use firewire – to change channels with 6200ch. |
| [05:17:57] | Dagmar: | I'd like to hack the 6200ch to send a "get that damn overlay off my screen" signal immediately following the channel change |
| [05:17:59] | [R]: | i *REALLY* want to figure out how to send an "exit" keypress to my box over firewire |
| [05:18:09] | [R]: | Dagmar: haha... tahts what i want |
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| [05:18:14] | Dagmar: | Hahahah |
| [05:18:25] | [R]: | i just put a huge sleep in my script |
| [05:18:34] | [R]: | i loose like 10 seconds off the top though |
| [05:18:47] | Dagmar: | I went all through the menus in the cable box trying to find a place to disable that overlay |
| [05:18:59] | Dagmar: | At least in part becasue I find their coarse pixels visually offensive |
| [05:19:03] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:19:07] | [R]: | well when i was using IR |
| [05:19:10] | Tanthrix: | I was just going to ask if there was a way...but I won't waste my time trying. |
| [05:19:10] | [R]: | it was easy |
| [05:19:12] | Dagmar: | I thought we were done with that kind of crappy video overlay in the 90's |
| [05:19:27] | [R]: | i keep hearing cox promise "new" boxes with an hd interface |
| [05:19:42] | Dagmar: | When you can see their crappy pixeltext showing through the background of your OSD, it's really obvious it's chep tech |
| [05:19:45] | Dagmar: | s/chep/cheap/; |
| [05:21:03] | [R]: | i actually found a windows progrtam |
| [05:21:06] | [R]: | that supposedly can send an EXIT |
| [05:21:11] | [R]: | for a bunch of kinds of cable boxes |
| [05:21:15] | [R]: | i tried emailing the author |
| [05:21:19] | [R]: | but i got no response |
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| [05:25:32] | Dagmar: | If you can get the source on it that would be something |
| [05:25:48] | Dagmar: | I just started digging and apparently ther'es a pre-defined set of commands it *should* adhere to |
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| [05:25:58] | Dagmar: | Now if I can just find that freaking list |
| [05:26:27] | Dagmar: | All I know so far is that the protocol is probably called AV/C and that the 1294 trade association site is boody nightmare to dig through |
| [05:27:47] | Dagmar: | OH for pete's sake IEEE bureacracy strikes again |
| [05:28:12] | Dagmar: | Right. So face first into libavc1394 source I go then |
| [05:28:13] | [R]: | yeah |
| [05:28:18] | [R]: | its windwos crap |
| [05:28:23] | [R]: | no soruce for you! |
| [05:28:26] | Dagmar: | No, its not |
| [05:28:33] | [R]: | no, the program i was taling about |
| [05:28:55] | [R]: | i tried so many differnet combinations of random commands to get my box to do what i wanted |
| [05:28:57] | [R]: | and i failed miserably |
| [05:28:58] | Dagmar: | IEEE has *long* since had a habit of not giving out technical documentation to really anyone who wasn't a "member", by which they mean "give us money er membership fees" |
| [05:29:09] | Dagmar: | Oh okay |
| [05:29:52] | [R]: | i forget which box type it was |
| [05:30:00] | [R]: | but i think it was an example in the avc library |
| [05:30:06] | [R]: | to send commands to something |
| [05:30:13] | [R]: | i tried it and tried hacking it up |
| [05:30:14] | [R]: | got nothing |
| [05:30:26] | Dagmar: | Oh sweet |
| [05:30:38] | Dagmar: | Looks like every defined subunit command is in the headers |
| [05:30:43] | [R]: | yeah |
| [05:30:50] | [R]: | i found a highlevel overview of the protocol |
| [05:30:52] | [R]: | once |
| [05:31:13] | Dagmar: | #define AVC1394_PANEL_OPERATION_CLEAR 0x2C |
| [05:31:25] | Dagmar: | Probably *not* the right opcode, since it's the first one I'm seeing htat looks good |
| [05:31:49] | Dagmar: | Go get the libavc1394 source tarball, and look in it for the (heh) libavc1394/libavc1394.h file |
| [05:32:02] | [R]: | yeah |
| [05:32:03] | [R]: | i've read it |
| [05:32:16] | [R]: | like i said, i tried a whole bunch of things |
| [05:32:17] | Dagmar: | Now to see if I can hedge my bets by comparing the channel change opcode 6200ch sends against the codes listed |
| [05:32:24] | [R]: | http://s2i.das.ufsc.br/docs/s2igrab/s2igrab/a . . . c1998001.pdf |
| [05:32:28] | [R]: | thats the "general" spec for AVC |
| [05:32:32] | Dagmar: | You may have picked the wrong device type (subunit) |
| [05:32:54] | [R]: | did you look in the examples in the libavc1394? |
| [05:33:32] | Dagmar: | I'm reading hte headers |
| [05:33:47] | Dagmar: | I have an idea of how the protocol works from looking at the 620ch source |
| [05:33:59] | [R]: | what kind of box do you have? |
| [05:34:17] | Dagmar: | Their new rebranded pace 110 |
| [05:34:25] | [R]: | ah |
| [05:34:30] | [R]: | i have a scientific atlanta |
| [05:34:36] | [R]: | was a real bitch getting even cahnnel changing working |
| [05:35:16] | Dagmar: | Ah. For me the thing just "speaks" the same protocol as the 6200 |
| [05:36:14] | [R]: | the panelctrl program |
| [05:36:16] | [R]: | in the test dir |
| [05:36:22] | [R]: | uses the motorola protocol |
| [05:38:15] | Dagmar: | in what package? |
| [05:39:05] | [R]: | libavc1394 |
| [05:39:24] | Dagmar: | Ah. |
| [05:40:03] | Dagmar: | Okay. So since the AVC1394_PANEL_OPERATION_POWER opcode it's sending to power the unit off is in the same block, I suspect cloning that function and replacing it with AVC1394_PANEL_OPERATION_EXIT or _CLEAR might do what we want |
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| [05:41:57] | ** Dagmar haxors ** | |
| [05:42:57] | Dagmar: | Up 'til now I never once bothered to look at what comes *in* libavc1394. I just knew it was a dependency so I packaged it and went on with the build process |
| [05:49:18] | [R]: | the scitentific atlanta boxes are all off the wall |
| [05:49:29] | [R]: | i have a program to send commands to a 3250, but i have a 4240 and it doesn't work |
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| [05:54:13] | Dagmar: | Well, I figure since the "fast" set power command is a single opcode with the usual start/stop stuff on each side, I'll try cloning that function, putting the clear/exit code in there, and trying that |
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| [05:57:26] | Speedy2: | When you use 1394, the box's overlay shows up in your video? It shouldn't. |
| [05:57:48] | [R]: | Speedy2: we use hdpvr |
| [05:57:57] | Speedy2: | ah-so |
| [06:00:39] | [R]: | omg this show is so stupidly ridiculous |
| [06:00:52] | [R]: | just when i think its topped itself... it goes and does something even more |
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| [06:08:18] | Dagmar: | Hopefully I'll have sorted something out with this tomorrow |
| [06:08:29] | Dagmar: | This is one of the more onerous things to be working on remotely |
| [06:09:34] | [R]: | yeah, gotta love undocumented things |
| [06:15:26] | Dagmar: | Well, I'm at the _office_ |
| [06:15:35] | Dagmar: | 11.7 miles away from the MythTV box. |
| [06:16:09] | Dagmar: | So like, I'm sending a few commands and then snatching some live frames |
| [06:16:13] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:16:16] | Dagmar: | ...which takes a few minutes |
| [06:16:32] | Dagmar: | I think I'm just going to wait until tomorrow morning to beat on this more. |
| [06:16:38] | Dagmar: | At least I've not locked up the whole STB |
| [06:19:32] | Dagmar: | As hacking STBs go, this is a good sign |
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| [06:39:02] | jst_home: | JoshBorke: Hey there, you're right, I'm old school, it's called just Fedora now... |
| [06:39:58] | jst_home: | JoshBorke: and I figured out what the problem was, it was a corrupt weatherscreens and weathersourcesettings db table that caused mythweb to do nothing more than load two images, ever. |
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| [06:52:41] | Tanthrix: | wagnerrp: By the way, you were right, my HD-PVR recordings skip basically instantly, and fast forward works faster with 1080i x264 than it did with 1080i MPEG2 in 0.21. I am thrilled. |
| [06:52:49] | Tanthrix: | Dagmar: See above. |
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| [07:22:33] | [Peter]: | hm, If I don't get long term EIT data any more after rescanning the channels, what could be missing? It worked with the previous channel scan. DVB-S |
| [07:22:34] | Dagmar: | How much further above? |
| [07:22:46] | [Peter]: | I only get current and next program for all channels now |
| [07:23:06] | [Peter]: | used to be a week |
| [07:23:58] | Dagmar: | They might have stopped sending data for more than just that |
| [07:24:23] | Dagmar: | The only thing I can think of to tell would be to turn up debugging and wait for it to get _any_ EIT data and see if you can tell what's going on |
| [07:24:57] | Dagmar: | If it says it's getting the shortlist and never says anything about anything else, it may be that they've just stopped sending long-term data |
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| [07:25:20] | Dagmar: | I could be more detailed *if* I had any access to anything with EIT |
| [07:25:25] | Dagmar: | ...btu I don't. |
| [07:25:52] | Dagmar: | (and no that's not a hint or a subtle request, I'd have to be using it and "living with it" to know more) |
| [07:26:20] | Dagmar: | If the thing starts getting EIT data and then quietly coughs up a hairball in the logs, that would be a sign something broke |
| [07:26:38] | Dagmar: | THe other thing I can suggest would be to dig through the bug tracker and see if anyone else has reported a similar thing in _this recent timeframe_ |
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| [07:27:05] | [Peter]: | Dagmar: it runs with -v eit now and there's some activity and not any errors |
| [07:27:08] | Dagmar: | Cuz like, people who's network connectivity silently breaks sometimes don't notice it for twelve days |
| [07:27:37] | Dagmar: | They'll never notice until one day they're looking to check that tomorrows programming is going to get recorded properly and they'll be staring at a page full of NO DATA |
| [07:28:08] | [Peter]: | I'll try to hook up a tuner box later and see what that gets. thanks |
| [07:28:16] | Dagmar: | [Peter]: COuld be they're no longer sending that anymore. Do you know anyone in your area (more or less) whose using that same provider with a device that grabs EIT data? |
| [07:28:42] | Dagmar: | There's a lot of places that don't send much EIT data beyond the next few hours |
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| [07:28:56] | wagnerrp: | pretty much everywhere in the US |
| [07:29:07] | Dagmar: | Yeah |
| [07:29:13] | [Peter]: | Dagmar: I have a tuner box that I'll try later. seems odd that it stopped in connection with my channel rescan :) |
| [07:29:35] | Dagmar: | Yeah well two weeks ago I dropped my cell phone and thought I broke it because it wouldn't stay online for more than a few seconds |
| [07:29:45] | Dagmar: | It was just bad timing. Sprint's local repeater tower broke |
| [07:29:53] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [07:30:02] | Dagmar: | Of course, you wouldn't know this from the fact that I called them about it *twice* and no one admitted to *anything* |
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| [07:30:14] | wagnerrp: | oh these flimsy modern phones |
| [07:30:18] | Dagmar: | During my second call to them I got an email from the woman in the office who is the liason with Sprint, and she was telling us there was a tower problem |
| [07:30:29] | Dagmar: | Well, the Palm 800W isn't exactly flimsy |
| [07:30:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah... but i wouldnt trust it to come out the other end of a wash and dry cycle no worse for the wear |
| [07:31:00] | [Peter]: | because there was a week worth of data before that, I scheduled some recordings just before a few days ahead, then I fucked up when I tried to scan some additional channels, and then did a full scan. After that no long term EIT. but it could be really shitty timing |
| [07:31:02] | Dagmar: | What tipped me off was that I reactivated my Motorola Razr V3m, and the next day when I went to work, it started screwing up the _exact_ same way |
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| [07:31:16] | [R]: | i dropped my phone in the pool |
| [07:31:20] | [R]: | dried it out |
| [07:31:21] | wagnerrp: | pulled that off with an old nokia about 9 years ago |
| [07:31:22] | [R]: | was dead |
| [07:31:25] | Dagmar: | When I mentioned this the sprint support rep I might as well have been talking to a brick wall |
| [07:31:27] | [R]: | i tried it w/o the battery and it worked fine |
| [07:31:42] | [R]: | so i got a new battery, and i used it for liek 8 more months |
| [07:31:59] | [R]: | it dindt die... i just got a new one |
| [07:32:01] | Dagmar: | Yeah stuff like that is generally why on a lot of phones there's a water detector in the battery compartment |
| [07:32:11] | Dagmar: | Not inside the phone itself, but in the battery compartment |
| [07:32:16] | [R]: | there was one in it |
| [07:32:17] | [R]: | and on the battery |
| [07:33:05] | Dagmar: | During the heat wave from hell two years ago, I actually murdered my phone with sweat |
| [07:33:25] | Dagmar: | I had to take that thing rather *completely* apart and pretty much scrub it in an alcohol bath on a shaking tray |
| [07:33:44] | Dagmar: | Most people would have considered that quite insane |
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| [07:34:06] | Dagmar: | I just happen to have some very weird gear here and know how to use it |
| [07:34:25] | wagnerrp: | weve got one of those at work |
| [07:34:37] | wagnerrp: | although for our purposes, it probably would have dissolved your phone |
| [07:34:56] | Dagmar: | Yeah I was definitely not filling it with the type of solvents it would normally be laden with |
| [07:34:58] | [Peter]: | apperently the long term data is sent on a seperate stream (AEIT) when it comes to DVB-S.. I wonder if I missed the transponder with this stream.. will investigate further :) |
| [07:35:00] | Dagmar: | I didn't even put salt in it |
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| [07:35:12] | Dagmar: | [Peter]: That's a very good possibiilyt |
| [07:35:51] | Dagmar: | I originally wound up with the shaking tray because someone had it and it was broken and I helped them with some lapidary work so I took it off their hands |
| [07:35:57] | [R]: | someone told me about putting my phone in rice |
| [07:36:09] | Dagmar: | Sodium silica gel will do the same thing |
| [07:36:21] | Dagmar: | Not quite as cheap as rice tho, but it will work faster |
| [07:36:29] | [R]: | is that the stuf they put in things that the package says not to eat? |
| [07:36:32] | Dagmar: | You can get it in bulk at any marine supply store |
| [07:36:34] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [07:36:41] | Dagmar: | It's so tasty they have to put warnings on it |
| [07:36:43] | Dagmar: | ;) |
| [07:36:47] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [07:37:08] | Dagmar: | In boats you stick it under seats and stuff so the all the stuff like wood paneling and so on doesn't turn to much |
| [07:37:08] | [R]: | is it beacuse its toxic... or just what it would do to you if you injested it |
| [07:37:25] | Dagmar: | Well, it won't kill you (probably) but you'll be in the bathroom for a _while_ |
| [07:37:34] | Dagmar: | It'll make you sick as hell |
| [07:37:59] | Dagmar: | er doesn't turn to mush, not much |
| [07:38:26] | Dagmar: | It's just a hydrophilic compound in a handy particulate form |
| [07:38:41] | Dagmar: | Dried rice is also fairly water lovin' |
| [07:38:57] | Dagmar: | s'why you will find it in salt shakers at the sushi place |
| [07:39:04] | Dagmar: | ...not just because they like rice with everything. ;) |
| [07:39:18] | Dagmar: | It keeps the salt in the shaker from lumping up |
| [07:39:29] | [R]: | i've seen that before |
| [07:39:33] | [R]: | thought it was weird |
| [07:39:38] | Dagmar: | Yep. Now you know why they do it |
| [07:40:56] | Dagmar: | The girl who taught me about the rice in the salt shakers thing was asian. |
| [07:41:11] | Dagmar: | her reaction at seeing me bring a bag of sodium silica gel to her as a joke was priceless |
| [07:41:19] | [R]: | lol |
| [07:42:39] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: You would probably know if anyone else has tried to spew an exit/clear code following a firewire channel change |
| [07:42:46] | Dagmar: | Has this been done and failed? |
| [07:43:00] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [07:43:21] | wagnerrp: | oh, to get rid of the on-screen menu? |
| [07:43:23] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [07:43:25] | Dagmar: | On our cable boxes when we're changing channels with firewire, the component output still shows the OSD from the STB as if we'd used the remote |
| [07:43:30] | wagnerrp: | havent really paid attention to much firewire |
| [07:44:06] | [R]: | there was ntohing wrong with the ir... i could just switch back to using that |
| [07:44:08] | Dagmar: | Yeah [R] mentioned it earlier and we poked at some docs and some source and if the outcome it still unknown I'll take a meaningful stab at it tomorrow |
| [07:44:16] | [R]: | but that requires recompiling zilog and hdpvr every kernel update |
| [07:44:20] | Dagmar: | I thikn I know which codes to send to my box, if it'll work |
| [07:44:28] | [R]: | Dagmar: if not... def check out that panelctrl |
| [07:45:00] | Dagmar: | [r] Well, it looks like the 6200 uses at least part of that protocol, since the power function it's sending is the one from the panel controls |
| [07:45:12] | Dagmar: | It's the channel chaneg one that appears to be using an opcode that wasn't listed in that set |
| [07:45:54] | [R]: | well the "slow" channel changing |
| [07:46:01] | [R]: | should be similar to the other operations |
| [07:46:08] | Dagmar: | I should look more closely at the slow channel change function, since it's sending BCD which might well be the panel0–9 codes |
| [07:46:25] | Dagmar: | The fast one just sends a single opcode, then the channel number as an int |
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| [07:46:57] | Dagmar: | The way the panel codes are laid out makes me think it's meant to emulate buttons pushed on a control panel or remote control |
| [07:47:11] | [R]: | the front panel |
| [07:47:21] | [R]: | (if there were butttons there...) |
| [07:47:26] | Dagmar: | By the way that URL you gave had two newer copies of the spec in it (at a glance) when I looked at the directory |
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| [07:58:22] | wagnerrp: | my desktop doesnt seem to be up to the task of playing back all of tonight's recordings |
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| [08:03:52] | k2s: | I want to build htpc with mythtv to record and watch satelite programs. I have 2 prepaid cards. I would like to record and watch other program in the same time. It does not seam to be problem to have 2 DVB-S cards in HTPC, but will they be able to use the prepaid cards in the same time ? Is it possible to record undecoded stream and decode it afterwards ? |
| [08:05:11] | wagnerrp: | no, mythtv does not support time sharing, card sharing, softcams, or anything of that like |
| [08:05:29] | wagnerrp: | if you have something that needs CAMs, you will need one per simultaneous recording |
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| [08:11:42] | ip_goat_rodeo: | prepaid dvb-s? never even heard of that, and I've had dvb-s for almost 10 years. |
| [08:14:08] | k2s: | ip_goat_rodeo: most programs on Astra need prepaid card |
| [08:14:57] | ip_goat_rodeo: | skyperfectv in japan is 100% post-pay. |
| [08:15:16] | k2s: | there are some sat-tuners which are able to record and play in the same time with 1 card, so I am wondering why it is not possible with own HTPC |
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| [08:16:22] | ip_goat_rodeo: | my skyperfect has been down for a week, gotta get a repair guy on the roof to work out how much damage the high winds did to my dish and cabling. |
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| [09:31:48] | [Peter]: | Dagmar: hm, I found the stream with dvbsnoop and I do have the channels for that transponder, weird. |
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| [10:00:38] | firehorse: | hello, I'm having a bit of an issue (or 2). Is anyone available for some help please? |
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| [10:02:26] | firehorse: | hello all, does anyone have a moment to help me? |
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| [10:09:20] | firehorse: | Hi, sorry to be a pain, but is anyone here? |
| [10:09:32] | ivor: | http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/IRC.html#AEN162 |
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| [10:21:02] | firehorse: | how may I get some help please? |
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| [10:43:02] | sid3windr: | ... by asking a question |
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| [12:09:36] | Dagmar: | That right there is the problem with labels. |
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| [12:15:38] | TauPan: | Dagmar: When I read your name I always have to think of a Frank Zappa song. |
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| [12:22:52] | [Peter]: | janneg: Could you consider including http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7961 in 0.22-fixes as well? it should be harmless for streams with pts values in all frames, and if there is some case that the patch doesn't solve it wouldn't have worked earlier either due to the if-statement being wrong |
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| [12:33:29] | oobe: | [Peter], i just read that ticket what does that patch do? |
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| [12:34:33] | [Peter]: | oobe: I have some channels that doesn't set the pts field for all frames, with the current version it just stutters. |
| [12:34:53] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [12:35:09] | oobe: | i have reception issues with a couple of channels in mythtv only |
| [12:35:24] | oobe: | was hoping it could fix that but seems unlikely |
| [12:35:55] | [Peter]: | no, this only fixes the timing of frames to be displayed |
| [12:36:19] | oobe: | [Peter], you could patch it yourself and build your own packages |
| [12:36:52] | [Peter]: | oobe: I know, but it'd be nicer if I didn't have to :) |
| [12:37:16] | oobe: | wont argue about that |
| [12:37:19] | [Peter]: | oobe: and it might be useful for other people trying to view the same channels |
| [12:39:27] | oobe: | i build my own packages |
| [12:39:32] | oobe: | anyway |
| [12:40:01] | oobe: | there was a fix i waited ages for that didnt make it into 22-fixes so i add it to my script that auto builds |
| [12:40:23] | justinh: | heh @ firehorse. Poor chap |
| [12:40:48] | [Peter]: | justinh: his reading skills were a bit lacking, but at least he was polite :) |
| [12:40:48] | justinh: | the epitome of politeness.. sadly not of patience. lol |
| [12:41:47] | oobe: | how can one be polite if they are telling you to hurry up |
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| [13:10:27] | ZxoR: | Hey |
| [13:10:31] | ZxoR: | Need help :] |
| [13:10:55] | ZxoR: | I trying to install MythTV but, when i used the commands that i found in the wiki |
| [13:11:25] | ZxoR: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Ibex_Installation |
| [13:11:40] | ZxoR: | They said to use the commands: |
| [13:11:49] | ZxoR: | sudo apt-get install build-essential liblircclient-dev libasound2-dev libdts-dev libdvdnav-dev \ |
| [13:11:49] | ZxoR: | libxv-dev libxxf86vm-dev transcode libmp3lame-dev subversion qt4-dev-tools libqt4-dev libsamplerate0 \ |
| [13:11:49] | ZxoR: | libxvidcore4 liba52–0.7.4-dev libfame-dev libcdio-dev msttcorefonts libasound2-doc libmad0-dev |
| [13:12:00] | ZxoR: | but, when i put the command (the 1st) |
| [13:12:13] | ZxoR: | its respond: |
| [13:12:13] | ZxoR: | Reading package lists... Done |
| [13:12:14] | ZxoR: | Building dependency tree |
| [13:12:14] | ZxoR: | Reading state information... Done |
| [13:12:14] | ZxoR: | E: Couldn't find package libdts-dev |
| [13:14:22] | [Peter]: | ZxoR: that's only for building mythtv from source, get prebuilt packages instead |
| [13:14:38] | ZxoR: | Oh, Now i see.. Lemme try |
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| [13:16:08] | ZxoR: | Im here: http://www.mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu |
| [13:16:25] | ZxoR: | I click on the image ( Install mythbuntu |
| [13:16:33] | ZxoR: | ) |
| [13:16:42] | ZxoR: | and choose APTURL |
| [13:16:47] | ZxoR: | and its faild :X |
| [13:17:41] | ZxoR: | its says: Could not find package: 'mythbuntu-control-centre'. |
| [13:20:36] | justinh: | that's because you've not enabled the mythbuntu repos |
| [13:20:58] | justinh: | find some instructions for plain ubuntu unless you want to change distro flavour to mythbuntu |
| [13:21:27] | ** justinh always recommends searching for the ubuntu community mythtv install docs ** | |
| [13:23:26] | ZxoR: | kk, open the Control Centre and click on "Click to install mythtvbuntu common" |
| [13:23:38] | ZxoR: | just wait now ? |
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| [13:51:00] | justinh: | heh youtube is now able to crash firefox on demand. or flash is.. whatever |
| [13:51:13] | justinh: | or maybe it's the flash blocker addon. meh |
| [13:51:39] | [Peter]: | justinh: once every 15 minutes sounds good, to free up the leaked memory |
| [13:51:48] | justinh: | heh |
| [13:52:23] | justinh: | with all this I'm not gonna hold my breath about html5 |
| [13:53:35] | [Peter]: | firefox won't support h264 anyway |
| [13:53:43] | [Peter]: | so it won't be usable for youtube |
| [13:53:52] | justinh: | yeah I read that |
| [13:54:04] | justinh: | muh, licensing, yada yada |
| [13:54:26] | justinh: | somebody should cotton on & make proper licensed codec plugin type thingies |
| [13:54:46] | justinh: | well, for those of us who hate freedom anyway |
| [13:55:25] | [Peter]: | considering mozilla's stance on this, isn't mythtv's h264 support questionable? |
| [13:55:43] | justinh: | technically yes, but no more than ffmpeg |
| [13:55:48] | justinh: | or VLC |
| [13:55:50] | justinh: | etc |
| [14:02:57] | justinh: | WTf?! there's now a library for linux enabling minidisc to PC transfer via a NetMD... |
| [14:03:43] | justinh: | ah but only via one player.. which I don't own. bah |
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| [14:33:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: minidisc? That's so... like... 90's... ;-) |
| [14:34:28] | j-rod: | amusing. stupid, but amusing: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136075 |
| [14:34:51] | justinh: | yeah I've got loads of stuff on MD (my DJ gigs) I need to transfer & wouldn't mind be able to do it faster than realtime ;) |
| [14:35:53] | justinh: | j-rod: nice! It takes C2 CPUs as well as having an Atom aboard :D |
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| [14:37:05] | j-rod: | I'm failing to understand why the hell bolting an atom system onto another system would be worth doing though. |
| [14:37:26] | j-rod: | the point of atom (to me) is low-power, low-noise, small size |
| [14:37:41] | justinh: | takes the hassle out of virtualising stuff :D |
| [14:38:06] | j-rod: | yeah, I suppose it'd be useful that way, but then, why ion? |
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| [14:38:16] | j-rod: | its just odd |
| [14:38:41] | justinh: | is the board perforated? :-P |
| [14:38:47] | justinh: | snap off here.... |
| [14:38:53] | sid3windr: | justinh: that 4 tuner pinnacle board we talked about a bit earlier, the person doing the 7162 chipset support that you linked, actually received one of these boards and full docs from pinnacle, but it will take quite a while for it to get fully working due to complexity :) |
| [14:38:57] | j-rod: | haha |
| [14:39:33] | j-rod: | is said person steven toth? |
| [14:39:59] | sid3windr: | manu abraham |
| [14:40:04] | j-rod: | aha |
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| [14:42:57] | justinh: | sid3windr: coolness |
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| [14:50:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: Of course, that board would make it easier to make a high-performance frontend in a small package... (minus the 300W power supply needed for the CPU I suppose... hehehe) |
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| [15:02:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: PS: On a non-related note, my next-door neighbor has HD FiOS TV now... I've already talked to him about bringing over my 'test' system to check out what's available on FW... ;-) |
| [15:02:51] | j-rod: | heh |
| [15:03:20] | j-rod: | also, I have a new theory about people experiencing firewire cap failures... |
| [15:03:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: Any changes to your config? |
| [15:03:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | What's that? |
| [15:03:35] | j-rod: | dual-buffer isochronous receive is fucked up |
| [15:03:52] | j-rod: | (that's an official theory) |
| [15:04:14] | j-rod: | all ohci 1.1-compliant adapters are supposed to support dual-buffer iso receive |
| [15:04:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah. ;-) Is there a workaround? |
| [15:04:34] | j-rod: | however, there seem to be more adapters that do it WRONG than there are ones that do it right |
| [15:04:59] | j-rod: | couple that with the fact that the new linux firewire driver stack is the only stack (that I'm aware of) that actually tries to use dual-buffer iso receive |
| [15:05:17] | j-rod: | everyone else just uses the ohci 1.0 methods, buffer-fill and packet-per-buffer |
| [15:05:24] | j-rod: | and yes, there's a work-around |
| [15:05:53] | j-rod: | in 2.6.33, dual-buffer mode is simply going to be disabled by default, and all controllers will use packet-per-buffer |
| [15:06:03] | j-rod: | its proven far more reliable |
| [15:06:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^^ Cool, thanks. I'll keep that in mind when I setup my test box to try at his house. ;-) |
| [15:06:41] | j-rod: | and as it happens, all my recordings have been done with a controller, than while ohci 1.1-capable, had its firmware programmed to report ohci 1.0, and thus has only been running ohci 1.0 |
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| [15:06:49] | j-rod: | er, packet-per-buffer |
| [15:07:08] | j-rod: | so w/existing kernels, you can recompile firewire drivers, commenting out a single line |
| [15:07:28] | j-rod: | (the one that sets iso receive mode to dual-buffer if ohci 1.1) |
| [15:08:08] | j-rod: | I'm wondering if that one little change won't help a tonne of people's firewire work bettah |
| [15:08:51] | ** j-rod mixes in a little british english and boston english for flavo{,u}r ** | |
| [15:09:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Awesome. Is there a list compiled [yet?] as to which firewire cards/chipsets are actually properly 1.1 compliant? |
| [15:09:30] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs. ;-) ** | |
| [15:10:11] | j-rod: | most of the known-faulty 1.1 implementations have been blacklisted by now |
| [15:10:29] | j-rod: | but its entirely possible there are heaps more out there we just don't know about |
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| [15:11:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah, ok. So the safest bet, is just to re-compile the driver with 1.1 features disabled. gotcha. ;-) |
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| [15:22:00] | j-rod: | ah, did a bit of 'exact same system and display' testing of vdpau vs. crystalhd decoding on h.264 1080p last night... |
| [15:22:40] | j-rod: | nVidia Quadro FX 1700 video card, pcie x1 crystalhd |
| [15:22:49] | j-rod: | its pretty much a toss-up |
| [15:23:27] | [Peter]: | what kind of differences where you expecting? :) |
| [15:23:49] | j-rod: | not all decoders are created equal |
| [15:24:23] | j-rod: | especially when they're running under linux |
| [15:25:19] | ** devinheitmueller finally got the stock remote control that was bundled with his tuner working under Linux. Only took three hours! ** | |
| [15:25:21] | j-rod: | some less-than-compliant streams are still handled very poorly by the crystalhd support in xbmc |
| [15:26:06] | j-rod: | devinheitmueller: see, now, xbmc has full-fledged linux input layer support from the get-go... was rather nice seeing all the keys on my imon remote Just Work w/zero config work |
| [15:26:13] | devinheitmueller: | oh? |
| [15:26:14] | devinheitmueller: | Nice. |
| [15:26:16] | [Peter]: | the VDPAU support in xbmc seems flakey as well. I get stuttering with it, myth with VDPAU works fine on the same system |
| [15:26:40] | devinheitmueller: | j-rod: I'm thinking about doing the same for tvtime (which should be much simpler than the work required for MythTV) |
| [15:28:14] | j-rod: | I still haven't got back to working on input stuff for myth |
| [15:28:20] | j-rod: | :( |
| [15:28:26] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, it's on my list too, but *very* low. |
| [15:28:38] | GreyFoxx: | no more need for lirc ? |
| [15:28:46] | GreyFoxx: | Or something more integrated with it ? |
| [15:28:55] | j-rod: | no need for lirc |
| [15:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | nice |
| [15:29:00] | devinheitmueller: | My basic assumption is there is plenty of people who could work on that in theory, hence my time is better spent on the areas I specialize in. |
| [15:29:15] | j-rod: | *nod* |
| [15:29:17] | ** justinh rubs his eyes. did he just see somebody say something not fine in xbmc is great in mythtv? :-O ** | |
| [15:29:26] | j-rod: | haha |
| [15:29:39] | ** justinh frames the comment for posterity ** | |
| [15:30:05] | GreyFoxx: | j-rod: Does xmbc just keep a database of remotes/remote codes ? Something must be telling it "he pressed play" |
| [15:30:06] | j-rod: | mythfrontend definitely seems to handle my 1080i mpeg2 stuff better |
| [15:30:25] | j-rod: | GreyFoxx: see /usr/include/linux/input.h :) |
| [15:30:29] | devinheitmueller: | GreyFoxx: it uses the in-kernel database of remotes associated with certain devices. |
| [15:30:38] | GreyFoxx: | cool |
| [15:30:43] | j-rod: | it requires remotes that send input layer events |
| [15:30:47] | j-rod: | like KEY_PLAY |
| [15:30:52] | j-rod: | KEY_VOLUMEUP, etc |
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| [15:31:13] | j-rod: | so if your device sends those keys, it Just Works right out of the box |
| [15:31:15] | GreyFoxx: | devinheitmueller: I didn't realize there was such a mapping in the kernel anywhere |
| [15:31:16] | devinheitmueller: | GreyFoxx: many devices come with a remote control, and the kernel knows what remote comes with the tuner. Hence, the bundled remote should "just work" out of the box. |
| [15:31:31] | devinheitmueller: | GreyFoxx: Yup. |
| [15:31:31] | j-rod: | lircd can be configured to reinject input keys |
| [15:31:49] | devinheitmueller: | It's not as extensive as the lirc database by any means, but it targets the remotes that commonly come with tuner products. |
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| [15:31:59] | j-rod: | so you could also have an mce remote with an lircd.conf that uses input layer key names |
| [15:31:59] | devinheitmueller: | ... and there is a way to redefine which remote is used from userland. |
| [15:32:06] | j-rod: | and run lircd with --uinput |
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| [15:33:04] | GreyFoxx: | cool stuff |
| [15:33:14] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah. |
| [15:33:45] | devinheitmueller: | It's really targeted at modern remotes that all support standard protocols like NEC, RC5, RC6. It's not really designed for wacky remotes and serial IR receivers. |
| [15:34:10] | devinheitmueller: | ... but the goal generally is that you install the tuner, and the remote that comes with it "just works". |
| [15:34:22] | devinheitmueller: | (with no mucking with lirc or RC configuration profiles) |
| [15:34:47] | justinh: | can't lirc just be forced to send input layer stuff instead then? |
| [15:35:02] | [Peter]: | justinh: pay attention ;) |
| [15:35:35] | justinh: | meh |
| [15:35:38] | j-rod: | justinh: see comment just a few lines back where I covered that part. :) |
| [15:35:45] | j-rod: | lircd --uinput |
| [15:35:54] | j-rod: | with an appropriate lircd.conf |
| [15:35:59] | justinh: | obviously :) |
| [15:36:11] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: lirc *can* be configured that way. The big issues is that lirc is the "everything and the kitchen sink" solution, whereas most people only need an extremely small subset of that functionality. This is what results in it taking three hours for users to get their remote control working. |
| [15:36:11] | justinh: | then 'all' we need is for myth to work with that |
| [15:36:33] | justinh: | ah but what fun those three hours are :D |
| [15:37:16] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: In theory yes. J-rod and I have been discussing adding the missing input mappings to MythTV, at which point that entire class of devices would start working out of the box. |
| [15:37:35] | [Peter]: | three hours.. my HTPC case came with a combined VFD and IR-receiver. which needs some shitty german server to work (which emulates lirc). Took a week to get it to work properly |
| [15:37:39] | devinheitmueller: | ... and if you need to remap a key, you can use the MythTV GUi, select the binding and whack the button on the remote and it will work. |
| [15:38:34] | devinheitmueller: | j-rod: it is good to hear that XBMC successfully got that model working. It suggests that there are not unforeseen problems with that approach. |
| [15:39:22] | j-rod: | yeah, I think the significant fun is figuring out how the hell to shoehorn it in with Qt... which I know squat about... |
| [15:39:36] | devinheitmueller: | j-rod: agreed, and I'm in the same boat. |
| [15:41:37] | devinheitmueller: | brb |
| [15:41:43] | j-rod: | hm. my 25Mbps still doesn't seem to have kicked in yet. |
| [15:41:48] | j-rod: | liars. |
| [15:42:00] | j-rod: | (though I guess its still "tomorrow morning") |
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| [15:46:51] | devinheitmueller: | back |
| [15:51:21] | ** skd5aner has a nevo q50 remote just sitting in a box waiting to be programmed ** | |
| [15:51:44] | skd5aner: | now if I can ever get any motivation... |
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| [15:53:48] | devinheitmueller: | j-rod: the phone company lied to you about when they would deliver new service?!? I've never heard of that happening before! |
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| [15:54:07] | skd5aner: | what is this "phone company" you speak of? |
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| [15:54:09] | j-rod: | heh, true |
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| [15:54:30] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [15:54:44] | j-rod: | guy I talked to yesterday said "it'll be upgraded tomorrow morning"... 1:05 left of "morning" |
| [15:54:56] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: "phone company" – a corporate entity that uses it's monopoly power to extort ridiculous fees out of you in exchange for poor service. |
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| [15:55:35] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: of course, your mileage may vary depending on what country you are in. |
| [15:56:08] | bonelifer: | sd5aner: remember they do that to entire cities now when they try to do their own fiber lines |
| [15:57:30] | j-rod: | I've actually been quite happy w/my services, the fiber cut on sunday was the first significant outage in ~3 years |
| [15:57:53] | j-rod: | and $105/mo for 25/25 and 5 static IP is about as good as it gets (in the US) |
| [15:58:02] | bonelifer: | Well they don't even have DSL here only cable. AT&T sucks. |
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| [15:58:18] | ** J-e-f-f-A agrees with bonelifer ;-) ** | |
| [15:58:30] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: I thought that was all supposed to dissapear with the break up of "Ma Bell" ;-) |
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| [15:58:46] | bonelifer: | I'm sure if they hadn't bought out the local Bell South, that BS would of had DSL. |
| [15:58:54] | bonelifer: | by now |
| [15:59:00] | ** J-e-f-f-A has FiOS too, but hasn't upgraded yet from is 15/2 contract that he started with a few years ago when he got it... ** | |
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| [15:59:36] | bonelifer: | The sad thing is Ma Bell is reconstituting itself |
| [15:59:43] | bonelifer: | slowly they buy out each other |
| [15:59:57] | devinheitmueller: | Ma Bell is like that liquid metal terminator. |
| [16:00:06] | skd5aner: | I'm not lucky enough to be in the FIOS/Fiber areas of the country, but I'm way luckier than my folks who still had dial-up through 2008, and now only have a WiMax option |
| [16:00:18] | bonelifer: | We don't the politicians we once had that had the balls to break the freakin idiots up and work for the people. |
| [16:00:50] | bonelifer: | No WiMax here either. And the wireless provider doesn't cover this side of town |
| [16:00:56] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: haha |
| [16:01:13] | bonelifer: | I'm currently using Netscape ISP(read 56k) :( |
| [16:01:26] | devinheitmueller: | I'm relatively fortunate because I have multiple options in New York City. |
| [16:01:38] | skd5aner: | bonelifer: only reason they have a WiMax option is because someone was sick of it an dset up their own small, independant ISP and put up sseveral towers and repeaters in the county |
| [16:01:39] | devinheitmueller: | (fortunate as far as options go in the United States) |
| [16:01:51] | skd5aner: | it's not one of the big wirless providers |
| [16:02:13] | wombo: | Ahh Aus. Very very high ASDL coverage, extremely high 3G coverage and fibre on the way |
| [16:02:36] | wombo: | my ADSL is 24Mbps |
| [16:03:06] | skd5aner: | I'm currently cable, and it works fine, but is not ideal |
| [16:03:53] | bonelifer: | I'm just glad that AOL finally allowed the Netscape users to connect without using the Netscape Dialer. I hated that "You've been on for an extended amount of time Do you want to stay connected message" |
| [16:03:55] | skd5aner: | Need to get business class, but don't want to fork out the cash for it |
| [16:04:24] | devinheitmueller: | It's pretty painful to look at a chart like this. http://static.arstechnica.com/2009/10/15/high . . . w_speeds.png |
| [16:04:33] | devinheitmueller: | (from Ars Technica: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/ . . . s-proof.ars) |
| [16:06:13] | skd5aner: | looks good to be in Sweden about now |
| [16:07:15] | bonelifer: | Looks good to be were the corporate overlords have no control. |
| [16:07:37] | devinheitmueller: | looks good to be one of the corporate overlords. |
| [16:07:48] | devinheitmueller: | :-p |
| [16:09:44] | bonelifer: | hopes the last four piece of the HTPC come soon. |
| [16:09:49] | bonelifer: | :( |
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| [16:11:28] | bonelifer: | anyone here used the NCID package(network caller id), any specific modem? |
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| [16:12:12] | patdk-wk: | bonelifer, heh, if that worked for me cellphone :( |
| [16:12:19] | patdk-wk: | I guess it could, using bluetooth :) |
| [16:12:58] | patdk-wk: | nothing like having "Mistress is calling" on the screen while watching a movie with the wife :) |
| [16:13:03] | bonelifer: | actually has two landline phone numbers. One is a striped down, $10 a month local only one for dialup. |
| [16:13:23] | patdk-wk: | I have no landlines |
| [16:14:32] | patdk-wk: | I don't think the modem much matters, dont they all support callerid these days? |
| [16:14:46] | bonelifer: | not all. |
| [16:15:04] | bonelifer: | remember support means more functionality, which means more money to make |
| [16:15:15] | patdk-wk: | na |
| [16:15:26] | bonelifer: | they are already charging to much for 56k modems in DSL/Cable world |
| [16:15:29] | patdk-wk: | they dopped hardware modems a long time ago |
| [16:15:35] | devinheitmueller: | In the case of caller ID, the incremental cost is pretty much nonexistent. It's all done in software. |
| [16:15:35] | patdk-wk: | everything is a soundcard now |
| [16:15:43] | patdk-wk: | so it's just driver update :) |
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| [16:16:07] | devinheitmueller: | The key thing is that the modem has to be able to parse the signal while it is still in the "on-hook" state. |
| [16:16:25] | bonelifer: | then the wiki pages must be Wrong? |
| [16:16:26] | devinheitmueller: | (in the interest of full disclosure, I used to design modems) |
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| [16:17:56] | patdk-wk: | bonelifer, it looks accurate |
| [16:18:10] | patdk-wk: | that is the issue, no one has cared to add callerid support to the linux drivers |
| [16:18:15] | patdk-wk: | for the *soft* modems |
| [16:18:26] | patdk-wk: | so get a nice rs232 one :) |
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| [16:21:51] | devinheitmueller: | I cannot say I'm surprised. So few people use modems to terminate analog calls, it probably was just never worth it to them. Almost all the usage for modems is outbound, and supporting caller-id on traditional modems is trivial. |
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| [16:58:56] | javatexan: | wow, what happened to the VNC server on 9.10? It was so much smoother in 8.10 |
| [16:59:08] | javatexan: | are there some settings that I am missing? |
| [16:59:24] | iamlindoro: | s/9.10/Ubuntu 9.10/ Turns out they make non-Ubuntu linuxes too |
| [17:00:13] | iamlindoro: | Asking in an Ubuntu channel would probably be a good start, btw |
| [17:00:16] | javatexan: | yep s/9.10/Ubuntu 9.10. Mine is just Mythbuntu 9.10 though, not that it makes that big a difference |
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| [17:48:46] | hackman: | how are people running mythfrontend as well as other apps (like huludesktop) on the same box? |
| [17:50:05] | GreyFoxx: | I think most who do that just add a menu item to the frontend to launch the other app when required |
| [17:50:59] | hackman: | does this require a code patch, or is it configurable? |
| [17:51:08] | GreyFoxx: | edit the xml for the menu |
| [17:51:13] | GreyFoxx: | no code changes needed |
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| [17:52:22] | hackman: | GreyFoxx: thanks. I currently do it by way of python-gtk top level menu that launches mythfrontend, huludesktop, or boxee, but I thought I saw evidence on the list other solutions. |
| [17:52:56] | hackman: | I would like to leave the apps running, and just switch between them instead of exiting/launching them. Maybe I'll see if I can convince irxevent to do that... |
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| [18:00:22] | j-rod: | zoom zoom |
| [18:00:56] | j-rod: | just pulled a file from home to the office at 3.2MB/s. |
| [18:01:08] | clever: | hackman: if you add it to a menu in mythfrontend, then mythfrontend will still be running |
| [18:01:17] | j-rod: | wonder how well trying to play back hdtv recordings from home to the office would work... :) |
| [18:02:20] | anykey_: | why is the channel group selection not shown in LiveTV? I toggled it in the OSD menu editor and created two channel groups... |
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| [18:54:29] | sphery: | Woah, is that a tumbleweed that just blew across the mythtv-users mailing list? Only about 30 new messages since last night. It's like a ghost town. |
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| [18:57:16] | iamlindoro: | well now you've done it |
| [18:57:43] | iamlindoro: | back to voting for a new default theme or asking why the devs haven't fixed the OBVIOUS memory leak in mythbackend because it doesn't run on one guy's VIA box |
| [18:58:53] | iamlindoro: | where said guy records all multiplexes 24/7/365 |
| [18:59:01] | wagnerrp: | on a VIA... |
| [18:59:25] | wagnerrp: | thats just slightly ambitious |
| [19:00:14] | j-rod: | s/ambitious/insane/ |
| [19:01:14] | sphery: | iamlindoro: or requests to backport fixes |
| [19:01:20] | iamlindoro: | that too |
| [19:01:40] | wagnerrp: | but... but... -fixes is for fixes! |
| [19:01:40] | sphery: | Oh, and I still think it should be 24/7/52 |
| [19:01:46] | sphery: | or maybe 24/7/4/12 |
| [19:01:55] | kormoc: | but... but... sanity is for humans! |
| [19:02:07] | sphery: | and Trix are for kids! |
| [19:02:22] | wagnerrp: | silly sphery |
| [19:02:26] | sphery: | heh... |
| [19:02:34] | devinheitmueller: | Well, if he has got the resources to record multiplexes 24/7, then he should be happy to pay some developer to figure out the problem. |
| [19:02:38] | sphery: | I really need to set up a web site to promote my 24/7 agenda |
| [19:03:18] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Numerous (and I mean MANY) offers have been made, but he refuses to run valgrind |
| [19:03:28] | iamlindoro: | to the point where we have all basically written him off |
| [19:03:33] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: well, he can go suck it then. |
| [19:03:41] | iamlindoro: | yup |
| [19:04:01] | sphery: | but he's planning on upgrading to a CPU made this millenium, so there's hope |
| [19:04:27] | iamlindoro: | He argues that his setup would be "easy" to replicate and the problem should be obvious, and that we/anyone should just set up a config like his and that it will magically appear to us |
| [19:04:32] | sphery: | though he's wanting to run the (production) backend under valgrind 24/7 for several weeks (since his "leak" doesn't appear in short term) |
| [19:04:49] | wagnerrp: | be nice sphery.... its a new CPU, it just performs as one made last millenium |
| [19:04:59] | sphery: | heh, true |
| [19:05:02] | iamlindoro: | and any time one suggests that a) his setup is nuts or b) that he meet us halfway, he gets downright offensive |
| [19:05:04] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . er%27s+posts |
| [19:05:08] | sphery: | his history |
| [19:05:35] | devinheitmueller: | Oh wait, this is the guy with the descriptor leak? |
| [19:06:39] | devinheitmueller: | I think I might have worked with this guy a bit. |
| [19:06:48] | sphery: | don't know... |
| [19:06:52] | sphery: | might be the same |
| [19:07:15] | devinheitmueller: | In fact, if this is the same guy, then I can confirm that he definitely did have a descriptor leak, since I diagnosed it for him |
| [19:07:29] | sphery: | his "proof" of a memory leak is basically, "When I look at free and ps, sometimes mythbackend is using more memory than other times" |
| [19:07:52] | sphery: | he's not taking into account what it's doing at the time or whether that memory is released again when done or ... |
| [19:09:18] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, also under Linux figuring out how much memory is *actually* in use is a bit of a black art. |
| [19:11:01] | sphery: | looks like that was HypNoMadic: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2009-11-23 (around 18:00) |
| [19:11:14] | sphery: | (the one with the descriptor leak) |
| [19:11:27] | devinheitmueller: | Wow, you managed to find that faster than I did. |
| [19:11:32] | sphery: | based on his writing style, it's a different guy |
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| [19:11:37] | sphery: | heh, I have a good archive of logs |
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| [19:12:04] | sphery: | hard part was guessing what else you'd say instead of descriptor (I went with fd) |
| [19:12:06] | devinheitmueller: | Also, that descriptor leak was on the frontend. |
| [19:12:12] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [19:14:03] | sphery: | gotta go... anyway, I'll have to look into that descriptor leak (assuming no one else has). If it's a myth_system() related thing, it's "semi-known" (but not fixed/not heavily investigated). Or, if someone else fixed it, please let me know. :) |
| [19:14:31] | devinheitmueller: | I'm really tempted to install the trunk and debug some stuff people keep complaining to me about. OTOH, I finally got my box working so I almost don't want to touch anything. |
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| [19:21:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee, no wonder outluuukk non-express was so slow/not downloading my news group msgs... Despite having it set to delete anything older than 7 days from my mailserver, it had > 18 MONTHS of msgs on my server... |
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| [19:22:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | There were commit messages on my mailserver as old as #5168 – from 4/6/08 !!!! > 12,000 messages! |
| [19:24:46] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [19:25:36] | wagnerrp: | thunderbird usually starts to get slow around 3000 entries |
| [19:27:10] | ** patdk-wk introduces J-e-f-f-A to the rm command ** | |
| [19:27:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, switched my Myth subs to a gmail acct. ;-) |
| [19:28:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee, the Verizon webmail interface was very slow when I started with 12,000+ msgs, it's quite snappy down that I'm down to 3,000... ;-) |
| [19:29:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | er... "now that I'm down to"... |
| [19:29:21] | wagnerrp: | you had gigs of data in your ISPs webmail? |
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| [19:29:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Well, according to their online stats, I was only using 20% of 250MB allowed... |
| [19:30:09] | patdk-wk: | well, aren't commit emails like 8k? at the max |
| [19:30:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: 18 months of commits, -users and -dev msgs. |
| [19:31:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | patdk-wk: Yeah, 4 or 5k seems to be the norm, with an occasional 6,7 or 8k. ;-) |
| [19:32:13] | patdk-wk: | I hate email uses like you :) |
| [19:32:25] | patdk-wk: | not cause of how you use it |
| [19:32:31] | patdk-wk: | but cause of all the freaking inodes it uses |
| [19:32:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | patdk-wk: whatha mean? I had it configured to delete anything > 7 days, but it apparently wasn't working... |
| [19:33:04] | patdk-wk: | and mbox is just not reliable enough |
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| [19:33:26] | patdk-wk: | ya, outlook randomly breaks that option, if there gets to be too many emails at once |
| [19:33:33] | patdk-wk: | one connection issue, and it gets confused |
| [19:33:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | patdk-wk: Yeah, my fault for trusting anything "M$"... |
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| [19:34:49] | ** J-e-f-f-A should start using Linux for his mail too... ;-) ** | |
| [19:35:33] | wagnerrp: | looks like my commits/dev/users archive from back in mid-2008 is taking all of 1GB of space |
| [19:36:20] | wagnerrp: | for some roughly 60k messages |
| [19:36:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I was suprised to see mine only taking 50MB for that long... but perhaps I had deleted many -dev or -users msgs since then... |
| [19:37:06] | patdk-wk: | or got them marked as spam :) |
| [19:37:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... although mine was 'only' 12,000 msgs, so maybe it wasn't that long. |
| [19:37:58] | wagnerrp: | OH! |
| [19:38:08] | wagnerrp: | 12000 messages, i read that as 12000megs |
| [19:38:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehehe |
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| [19:38:52] | wagnerrp: | wait a minute... 12GB of usage in only 250MB of space?? what are you doing there?? |
| [19:39:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: No.... 12,000+ messages was using 20% of 250MB allowed. |
| [19:39:28] | rockhound: | hi everyone ... just updated to jva's release of 0.23-trunk ... yes, I know, its trunk and therefore not stable but the only thing that is not working is sound from radio (audio-only) channels... |
| [19:39:32] | rockhound: | does anyone have a hint? |
| [19:39:55] | wagnerrp: | its also not 0.23-trunk |
| [19:40:06] | rockhound: | ^^? |
| [19:40:10] | rockhound: | its not? |
| [19:40:13] | wagnerrp: | no such thing exists |
| [19:40:18] | rockhound: | ehm |
| [19:40:19] | rockhound: | hold |
| [19:40:20] | wagnerrp: | there is no 0.23, and trunk does not get numbered |
| [19:41:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | IE: Trunk is what will become 0.23, when a line is drawn in the sand, but it's still just 'trunk' until 0.23 is branched off... |
| [19:41:37] | rockhound: | wagnerrp: ok |
| [19:41:38] | rockhound: | deal |
| [19:42:00] | rockhound: | nevertheless, is anyone else using this? |
| [19:42:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | not me. 0.22-fixes here. |
| [19:42:47] | iamlindoro: | Lots of people are using trunk-- anyone using it is expected to be following the commit log, which means you should have the answer to your question already |
| [19:43:05] | iamlindoro: | s/commit log/dev lists and commit log/ |
| [19:43:25] | rockhound: | iamlindoro: if I had the answer, would I ask it? |
| [19:43:50] | iamlindoro: | If you were following the lists you are obliged to follow when you are running development code, you wouldn't need to ask |
| [19:43:53] | kormoc: | rockhound: he basically just told you where to look to find your snwer... |
| [19:44:16] | rockhound: | ah, misinterpreted ... my bad |
| [19:45:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | rockhound: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ for searchable archives – and you shoud subscribe to the -dev and -commits lists if you want to continue running Trunk. |
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| [19:48:36] | rockhound: | I will just go back to 0.22-fixes ... on the edge does not have a high WAF |
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| [19:54:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | ooh squashing this weekend? ;-) |
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| [19:56:35] | skd5aner: | squash, squash, squash, all day long! squash, squash, squash, while you sing this song! |
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| [19:56:51] | rockhound: | skd5aner: lol |
| [19:57:17] | skd5aner: | </adam sandler voice> |
| [19:57:48] | mag0o: | gonna squash the bugs, gonna make them whine, gonna get rid of the last one in time |
| [19:59:20] | ** J-e-f-f-A just thought of the scene in "Men In Black" — *squish* "Oops, was that your cousin?" [or similar...] hehehe ** | |
| [20:00:31] | wagnerrp: | i was thinking about kids in the hall... |
| [20:00:55] | ** J-e-f-f-A hopes wagnerrp isn't a school teacher... ;-) ** | |
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| [20:01:45] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: which skit? |
| [20:02:16] | wagnerrp: | the 'im squishing your head' one |
| [20:02:55] | CyberKnet: | sounds like a teenage acne skit. |
| [20:02:56] | skd5aner: | oh, between the finger and the thumb? |
| [20:03:24] | skd5aner: | haha – it's been well over 8 years since I think I watched the kids in the hall, classic |
| [20:04:59] | ** CyberKnet sets up his laptop in front of the wifi antenna ** | |
| [20:05:27] | CyberKnet: | wow. nice strong signal. Hope nobody else was using this. ;) |
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| [20:21:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | What the hell happened to my wireless signal? Ugh... |
| [20:23:01] | rockhound: | I know this is not an ubuntu / debian channel, but does anyone else still have an older release (ex. intrepid 8.10) installed and suddenly have trunk builds available? |
| [20:23:19] | rockhound: | I am trying to find the most elegant way of downgrading back to jya's |
| [20:24:05] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: I finally decided that it was worth setting up trunk Myth on a separate system just so I never messed up my production box while working/debuging/testing. (Took a few accidental installs on the production system in the middle of recordings, etc., for me to truly appreciate the benefit of a separate dev system). |
| [20:26:37] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I actually bought the box I have so it could be a "production box", but I ended up repurposing the dev box for other things. |
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| [20:35:29] | ** J-e-f-f-A had bought an Antec Fusion Black 430 for a 'prod' box a couple of years ago (When Comp USA went belly-up), but has just used it as a Dev box – it's too big for a 'nice' frontend, and too small to make a decent backend (not enough slots, uAtx)... so that's my test/dev box. ** | |
| [20:36:17] | justinh: | well that was an interesting half hour. blummin battery failed in my frontend |
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| [20:36:32] | justinh: | never a spare 2032 around when you need one |
| [20:36:43] | devinheitmueller: | I was generally happy even with an entry-level Dell PC, which was whisper quiet, until the fan in the power supply started to grind. |
| [20:36:43] | wagnerrp: | battery? the cmos battery? |
| [20:36:48] | justinh: | yup |
| [20:37:05] | justinh: | first time the box has been properly powered down in all its life |
| [20:37:39] | justinh: | been running off +5VSB for the vast majority of its down time |
| [20:38:02] | justinh: | never known one fail though. heard about it, but never known it happen here |
| [20:38:38] | wagnerrp: | i had one fail in an old P1 125 a decade ago |
| [20:38:45] | wagnerrp: | clock would have to be reset on every reboot |
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| [20:38:59] | justinh: | it'd forgot all its settings so figured that was it |
| [20:39:29] | justinh: | defaults to lan disabled, halt on all errors.. so with no keyboard just hung at the logo screen |
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| [21:29:20] | afm: | afternoon all. I'm close to a wonderful set up. I have a macmini(intel) running mythdora, spdif passthru is working, live tv is working. i can change channels via firewire to my qip7100(hd version of the dct6200) |
| [21:29:34] | afm: | and an hdpvr... |
| [21:30:11] | afm: | do i need to do all the compiling according to the wiki for the ir-receiver to work and pass to the firewire script? |
| [21:30:32] | afm: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR ir transmitter wiki link |
| [21:31:23] | afm: | i can see a lirc_dev in dmesg, but could be the mac's or the hdpvr's i think |
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| [21:42:35] | ** J-e-f-f-A chants MNV! MNV! MNV! ;-) (and has to get his test box updated to Trunk this week to play with the latest features...;-) ) ** | |
| [21:43:08] | skd5aner: | afm: if you can change channels via firewire, you don't have to worry about the IR stuff on the HD-PVR (I do it that way) |
| [21:44:03] | skd5aner: | just use the appropriate channel change script when you setup the tuner |
| [21:44:29] | skd5aner: | ah – and he's gone anyway :P |
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| [21:47:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod is smart. ;-) |
| [21:47:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | (of course, I knew that years ago when following his guides... hehehehe) |
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| [21:53:31] | ** J-e-f-f-A shakes his fist towards rwhiteman ... ** | |
| [21:55:36] | ** devinheitmueller traceroute's rwhiteman's IP address via his last email and nukes his host. ** | |
| [21:56:23] | ** devinheitmueller realizes that doesn't really stop him from receiving mail delivery errors, but he feels better anyways.... ** | |
| [21:56:29] | clever: | devinheitmueller: wont that make things worse? |
| [21:56:53] | wagnerrp: | well you can wipe out his entire carrier |
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| [21:57:40] | clever: | that might work, and would be easyer, since that ip is in the err emails |
| [21:57:47] | wagnerrp: | get on 4chan, and repeatedly post that address as someone who hates the internet, and the theatens therein |
| [21:58:08] | devinheitmueller: | X-AOL-SENDER: ray.whiteman@consultant.com |
| [21:58:10] | clever: | lol, easyer:P |
| [21:58:51] | clever: | when in doubt, let 4chan do it:P |
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| [22:02:30] | wagnerrp: | does the mailing list support the method of automatic unsubscribing if you send an email with that topic in the list? |
| [22:02:49] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: probably requires confirmation. |
| [22:03:00] | devinheitmueller: | (in other words, you cannot forge an email from that address) |
| [22:03:05] | wagnerrp: | bleh |
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| [22:15:34] | clever: | wagnerrp: it seemed to boot me just fine when my box overflowed |
| [22:15:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | our lists do require confirmation, as I just switched my accts to use gmail instead... and un-subbed the old acct. ;-) |
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| [22:17:48] | tmiw: | hey all |
| [22:18:06] | tmiw: | so my PS3 no longer plays recorded content correctly (over UPnP) |
| [22:18:18] | tmiw: | but plays fine streaming (haven't tried mythfrontend yet) |
| [22:18:45] | tmiw: | basically all I hear is loud static (like what you'd hear if there's no reception) and the video plays much faster than 1.0x |
| [22:18:58] | tmiw: | already restarted mythbackend with no success |
| [22:19:03] | tmiw: | anything else i can try? |
| [22:19:12] | Dibblah: | What changed? |
| [22:19:27] | wagnerrp: | what type of tuner? |
| [22:19:28] | tmiw: | nothing in the config changed |
| [22:19:45] | tmiw: | wagnerrp: pinnacle 800i |
| [22:19:50] | wagnerrp: | so digital |
| [22:19:58] | wagnerrp: | meaning mythtv is just directly streaming the raw recording |
| [22:20:00] | devinheitmueller: | 800i is a hybrid tuner. |
| [22:20:12] | wagnerrp: | well i presume hes not using the analog side |
| [22:20:19] | wagnerrp: | since th PS3 cannot play nuvs at all |
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| [22:21:14] | tmiw: | I'm not sure it's a tuner problem; I can stream the video via mythweb and VLC fine. |
| [22:21:37] | wagnerrp: | neither of which use upnp |
| [22:21:44] | tmiw: | right |
| [22:22:33] | tmiw: | when I get home I'll see if it's all recordings or just some of them |
| [22:22:50] | tmiw: | (I'm recording a few different HD channels and some SD channels on another tuner) |
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| [22:31:36] | iamlindoro: | Some people filing bugs have some interesting ideas of dub titles |
| [22:31:37] | iamlindoro: | er bug |
| [22:31:44] | iamlindoro: | "Video Playback" |
| [22:31:48] | iamlindoro: | what the? |
| [22:31:56] | iamlindoro: | "Headers already sent" |
| [22:32:14] | iamlindoro: | "Mythweb cover_images" |
| [22:32:49] | clever: | Headers already sent is a php error |
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| [22:33:35] | iamlindoro: | It is not, however, an acceptable bug title |
| [22:34:25] | clever: | should atleast mention the file thats causing it |
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| [22:38:21] | clever: | Scheduled 666 items in 62.4 = 0.43 match + 61.98 place |
| [22:38:21] | clever: | i wonder, has this become possessed by the devil? :P |
| [22:41:37] | Tanthrix: | So, is it standard for GT 220 cards to output only on DVI at boot if two inputs are used? My old 7300 cloned to both. |
| [22:41:48] | Tanthrix: | (Rather, outputs.) |
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| [23:53:50] | firefly2442: | I tried using tvtime – (tvtime -d /dev/video1) to test and I can get TV but the picture is fairly poor, the color and contrast is quite bad and there is a lot of wavy static, is there any way to fix this? |
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| [23:59:16] | DoZeR_Dude_: | does anyone know what would cause the inability to delete some recordings? |
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