Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, January 19th, 2010, 00:05 UTC

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kormoc:

nutron: dd if=/dev/zero of=test.mpg; mplayer -vo null -ao null test.mpg ?

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nutron:

kormoc, I know how to actually test 'em. I was just being lazy ... didn't want to string a 50 foot cable to my switch so I can confirm that /dev/video0,..video1...video2...video3 etc actually produced usable mpg's.

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kormoc:

nutron: so why were you googling for 40 minutes then?

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nutron:

I'd have to actually install mplayer, and that would require a network :P... I know... it's ridiculous... the intarweb makes me stupid...

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** kormoc blinks **

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nutron:

kormoc: on another box :)

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superm1:

mythav_test test.mpg then

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superm1:

or whatever that binary's name is

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nutron:

Thanks for the help guys, I wasn't looking for it. Just drawing a ridiculous picture of myself, that is all. Now back to wanting to play with my neighbour.

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TauPan:

Is there an easy way to start a script from mythbackend in a way that makes sure there is no recording scheduled for the next hour or so?

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TauPan:

I just discovered that my problems with mpeg stream breaking off and corrupt picture in tvtime were caused by nxtvepg accessing the tv card.

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TauPan:

so a partial solution would be to only let nxtvepg run when there's no recording or live-tv running on analog input.

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flexy:

paul-h: did you close ticket 7413 an hour ago?

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iamlindoro:

flexy, yes, he did, but attaching another backtrace of the same exact crash won't help

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flexy:

well, if it does not, should I do something else to produce helpful info?

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iamlindoro:

flexy, With no disrespect intended, you have had like a dozen segfault tickets open in the past few months that are unreproduceable... I know we've tried to convince you of this before, but it really, really seems that you've either got a seriously broken configuration, or major hardware issues

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iamlindoro:

Mostly because in most cases, the backtraces tend to indicate spontaneous crashing/segfaulting that nobody else can manage to reproduce

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sphery:

and crashing in strange places (often outside of Myth code, too)

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flexy:

what kind of hw issues? faulty mem? faulty mobo? how to test this? I did what was first suggested (debian) as a possible fault, changed to mythbuntu. I could reproduce all but one again. I then did quite extensive stress+kernel compile runs to the extent using swap ~ around same amount that I have real ram. No crashes.

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flexy:

ok

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sphery:

flexy: the best test of your hardware is to run myth on a completely different system--using nothing from the previous system build (save, perhaps, the hard drives and capture cards)

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sphery:

unfortunately, that's not an inexpensive test, though

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iamlindoro:

The short answer is if they're unreproduceable, the backtrace doesn't immediately point at an obvious code issue, or the crash appears outside of myth code, that there is no way for us to help

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flexy:

it just seems that those crashes happen the same way every time. if hw was faulty, I would expect it to be more random. Then again, I can't read backtraces, so perhaps that's why they don't seem random to me.

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sphery:

it could be anything from overheating the chipset, causing memory corruption, to bad hardware (including bad memory), to all the gamma radiation leaking out of that nuclear power plant you built in the back yard

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sphery:

for any feds watching, the above was a joke

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flexy:

sphery: I agree, first born on the way, can't really afford another system to test...

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sphery:

flexy: and if it is always happening the same way and at the same time, it could easily be low-level system libraries having problems

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iamlindoro:

heh, was just typing exactly that

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sphery:

(which would also help to explain the crashes at weird places outside of Myth)

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flexy:

well, mythbuntu 9.10, debian unstable with multimedia repo earlier.

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flexy:

all debian based. perhaps.

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iamlindoro:

even switching to other distros, there's every possibility that whatever hardware/lib interaction you have could still be present

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flexy:

but OK, if you're convinced that my hw most likely has problems, I won't file more bugs until I've managed to test with another system

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iamlindoro:

As sphery says, the only surefire way is to do so on a fresh Myth-distro-based isntall on 100% new hardware

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flexy:

ok

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sphery:

flexy: and it's possible that it /was/ valid, but someone has fixed it in the meantime, not realizing that there was a ticket for the crash they found

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sphery:

so, it's quite possible that it will work fine in 0.23 (assuming you don't have hardware/system issues)

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flexy:

sphery: I'm on trunk now

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flexy:

updated hour ago

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flexy:

to the latest

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sphery:

ah, ok

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flexy:

if I ever find another machine to test on, a loaner or something. Can I reuse the database?

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iamlindoro:

I wouldn't

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flexy:

ok

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iamlindoro:

At that point, might as well get a totally clean setup long enough to test

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flexy:

right

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iamlindoro:

ie test with a fresh DB, then if it doesn't show up, then if you import the DB and it does, a flag will go up

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flexy:

ok

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flexy:

dvb cards, I don't think I can get those as loaners. would it suffice if I use just one of those, instead of all 3? And could try with all of them, one at a time?

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TauPan:

Ah

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Josh__:

bleh. Changed my NIC on the master backend for a gigabit, and now my frontend can't start liveTV. – 2010-01–18 18:47:50.120 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

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sphery:

new IP?

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Josh__:

Same IP. SSH'd into it and verified in mythtv-setup

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Josh__:

Playing recordings work fine.

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Josh__:

What does this mean? 2010-01–18 18:52:20.215 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 18:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo

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Josh__:

aha

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Josh__:

figured it out

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Josh__:

2010-01–18 18:52:18.524 HDHRSH(101347BE-0) Error: Get request failed

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Josh__:

eno: No such device (19)

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Josh__:

must have effed the network cable on my HDHR

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Josh__:

got it!

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jmkasunich:

yay!

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Josh__:

and better yet, no NIC errors!

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jmkasunich:

anyone have experience using an LCD TV over HDMI as the only monitor on a system? do you see boot messages (before linux starts)? do you see BIOS screens?

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Dagmar:

Probably you will not

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jmkasunich:

so for the initial system build, I should just drag out some 15-pin VGA connected monitor....

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Josh__:

jmkasunich, depends on the monitor.

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Josh__:

On my samsung LN46A850, I see BIOS messages.

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Josh__:

Likewise on my 22" LG LCD.

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jmkasunich:

I'm eagerly awaiting shipment of a Toshiba 37RV525R, need to decide what the rest of ths system will be

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jmkasunich:

no experience with TVs as monitors, build several linux systems over the years

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jmkasunich:

no experience with HDMI interface either

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Josh__:

Modern HDTVs SHOULD not give you any trouble

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jmkasunich:

cool

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Josh__:

I had a problem with my 22" LG, but I was not connecting with straight HDMI or VGA. I use a DVI > HDMI convertor, and would not transmit EDID data correctly.

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jmkasunich:

gonna be a serious learning experience I think

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Josh__:

jmkasunich, hard part in my experience is getting audio over HDMI.

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jmkasunich:

some stuff that I take for granted on a "computer" might not be so normal with the TV

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jmkasunich:

on my computer, if I walk away, the KVM switch turns off the video, the monitor detects it and goes to sleep (backlight off, etc)

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jmkasunich:

with a TV, that could be good (if I really am done using it). or bad (if I'm sitting back watching a movie)

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Josh__:

jmkasunich, all that would strictly depend on the monitor/TV

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jmkasunich:

I may or may not try sending audio over HDMI – my stereo speakers/amp will sound better than the TV's speakers

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Josh__:

Dagmar, okey dokey – replaced the NIC on the backend with a brand new gigabit, new cable from the backend NIC to the (relatively) new Netgear gigabit switch. No NIC errors reported in ifconfig, but still getting the video errors and player failures.

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Josh__:

jmkasunich, Does your hifi reciever support HDMI passthrough?

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jmkasunich:

no, plain old 2 channel analog

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jmkasunich:

I was thinking line-out of sound card to line-in of amp

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jmkasunich:

(not interested in surround sound)

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Josh__:

jmkasunich, That'll be easy then

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jmkasunich:

easy is good

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Josh__:

Ugh, this is so frustrating...

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Josh__:

So if there's no network issues, it's got to be signal quality, right? I'm on cable though, with all lines terminated professionally..

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wagnerrp:

professionally? by who?

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sircolin:

lol

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Josh__:

wagnerrp, by the cable guy. He terminated all my connections and checked signal quality with his little handheld meter thing.

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Josh__:

It's been a few months though, I guess anything could happen.

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wagnerrp:

i might trust the handheld meter, but not the cable guy

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Josh__:

wagnerrp, I understand human error could be attributed to anything. Thats why I had him hit the connections with his meter to make sure.

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Josh__:

I"m just at the end of my chain with this.

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Josh__:

I guess I could get an HDTV antenna and try it...

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sircolin:

have you not check the signal with a normal tv ?

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Josh__:

I guess it couldnt hurt. What did you have in mind, just tune to one of the afflicted channels and see if the TV can tune them? Or do you have a more in depth idea in mind?

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sircolin:

well im just throwing you the idea that it may be a tuning issue and not signal issue

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sircolin:

i guess just test with a normal tv and rule out the signal first

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Josh__:

hdhomerun test stream reports no errors though. network and signal test done

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Josh__:

i'll check it out.

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sircolin:

just a thought

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SirColin:

very busy mate what about you bud

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DjMadness:

anyone here using the TerraTec Cinergy C DVB-C with the CI/CAM module ? i am asking becuase linuxtv.org's infomation might be out of date (nov 2008) and the ci/cam section on the wiki seams to be just having an automatic date (litually changes right after midnight)

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Kernel:

hello all. Im trying to figure out what movie poster picture goes to which move. i have a couple movies that mythtv downloaded posters for..but the pictures are messed up...and id like to remove the picture it downloaded and have it redownload. i tried resetting the meta info but it seems to know the movie poster was downloaded and uses the old bad picture

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iamlindoro:

imdbnumber_coverart.ext

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Kernel:

ah

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Kernel:

that will make it easier. i was wondering the naming convention....

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Kernel:

kinda random...but mythtv downloaded a completely differnet movie poster for a movie..and after verifying that the movie poster on tmdb is right....i have no idea how mythtv dled it

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wagnerrp:

what movie?

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Kernel:

it downloaded some random movie when it was looking for "weekend at bernies 2"

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Kernel:

i just deleted the poster it downloaded...but it was not "weekend at bernies 2"

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Kernel:

ha. it did it again!

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wagnerrp:

i get nothing on that search

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Kernel:

it downloads a poster for "thin ice"

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Kernel:

wagnerrp, do "weekend at bernie's II"

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Kernel:

its weird about '

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Kernel:

/usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/tmdb.pl' -M Weekend At Bernie's II

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wagnerrp:

works for me

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Kernel:

really weird

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Kernel:

when in mythtv....i hit "w" on that movie...but it sets the poster for the movie to the poster for "thin ice"...i dont even have that movie

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Kernel:

hmm. does the poster get cached?

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wagnerrp:

only in the file you apparently just deleted

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Kernel:

well i opened mythtv...used "w" on the movie..it downloaded the wrong poster...i deleted the wrong picture from disk...reran "w" but its still showing the wrong pic in mythtv..it shows the right one on disk now.

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Kernel:

does it get cached for the whole time mythtv is open?

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wagnerrp:

oh... forgot about that

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wagnerrp:

yeah, wipe out your theme cache

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wagnerrp:

~/.mythtv/themecache

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Kernel:

just rm everything in there?

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mzb:

in joystickrc how can I specify a jump point (eg. main menu) without binding a key to that jump point?

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mzb:

s/joystickmenurc

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Kernel:

:o myth hates scrolling fast

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wagnerrp:

only the first time through after deleting the theme cache

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Kernel:

how often does the cache get wiped? only when you switch themes or manually delete it?

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Kernel:

wiping the theme cache fixed this issue also...ive got the right picture now.

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wagnerrp:

somewhere in the settings, it has a cache size

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wagnerrp:

each time you change themes, or change resolutions, it adds a new folder to the cache

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wagnerrp:

it will retain the previous X number of folders

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Kernel:

ah ok.

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Kernel:

thanks :)

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mzb:

hmm ... perhaps I'll just go to the xorg InputDevice method instead

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mzb:

fwiw, I bought one of these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . 330366173665

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mzb:

(for about au$20)

[02:59:24]

mzb:

they appear as an HID keyboard and gamepad/joystick (12 buttons)

[03:00:00]

mzb:

seems like quite a neat solution to the "keyboard is downstairs" problem ;)

[03:00:13]

mzb:

*and* gives more options than the wii-remote

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mzb:

so, I'll ask my question another way: what is a good keybinding to use for the "Main Menu" jump-point?

[03:01:38]

mzb:

mine is currently undefined (default?)

[03:02:52]

sphery:

I find that either the function keys (if you're not using MHEG) or Ctrl-key combos tend to be best

[03:03:00]

sphery:

most others are taken

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mzb:

many of the function keys appear to be taken (or used by OS), and I'm not sure how to specify ctrl combos in joystickmenurc

[03:05:49]

mzb:

(chord?)

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sphery:

don't know how to use them with joystick

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sphery:

with lirc, it's just Ctrl+A or whatever

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mzb:

nm, I'll use the xorg inputdevice method

[03:06:28]

sphery:

and, yeah, you need to choose ones not used by window manager

[03:06:31]

jgoulah:

wondering if anyone can help me with mythmusic... have it all compiled from newest source, i go to select music , get a black screen and mouse cursor

[03:06:39]

jgoulah:

only log is XMLParse: LoadTheme using '/usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/music-ui.xml'

[03:06:48]

mzb:

might get proper control with the joysticks that way too

[03:06:50]

jgoulah:

tried other themes too

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sphery:

jgoulah: have you tried the Terra theme?

[03:07:05]

jgoulah:

not sure, can try

[03:07:14]

sphery:

try that one--since it doesn't use default-wide

[03:07:20]

sphery:

(pretty sure it doesn't)

[03:07:46]

jgoulah:

think thats what i'm using actually by default in 0.22

[03:08:15]

sphery:

default-wide is just a bunch of definitions for old/broken themes that are missing stuff

[03:08:49]

sphery:

basically all the themes that existed in 0.21-fixes and below are using default-wide because they weren't updated for the new UI

[03:08:51]

jgoulah:

sometimes the menu will come up for a split second, then go to this black + mouse screen

[03:09:14]

sphery:

instead, we want people to create new good ones that are designed for the new UI engine

[03:09:17]

jgoulah:

i should note i had this problem in 0.21 as well, thought upgrading would fix

[03:09:31]

sphery:

that may mean you're seeing a visualizer that doesn't display right

[03:09:47]

sphery:

try going into the mythmusic settings and disabling all visualizers

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sphery:

the project-m ones, especially, are a mess

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sphery:

(meaning don't work right with Myth)

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NightMonkey:

Hey, all. I recently upgraded to 0.22 from 0.21. I have a PVR-350 remote, and want to restore the page-up/page-down list scroll functionality (aka "3" and "9").

[03:10:43]

NightMonkey:

Is there a guide for just such a task?

[03:11:30]

ahughes:

hi guyes, how can I hook up a remote upnp av SERVER (tversity, ps3, azureus, NAS) to my myth box? i.e. I want to stream TO the mythbox. :)

[03:11:38]

sphery:

NightMonkey: in the EPG?

[03:11:50]

NightMonkey:

I started to look into lirc config specs and myth key bindings, but I'm not sure which of those two directions I should start from.

[03:11:50]

sphery:

or where

[03:12:04]

NightMonkey:

sphery: Like in "Watch Recordings".

[03:12:14]

wagnerrp:

ahughes: cant be done

[03:12:19]

sphery:

NightMonkey: pretty sure that was removed

[03:12:20]

wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt have a myth client

[03:12:29]

NightMonkey:

sphery: I don't necessarily want to re-assign "3" and "9", but other buttons.

[03:12:34]

sphery:

s/myth/UPnP/ , right?

[03:12:39]

NightMonkey:

sphery: Oh.

[03:12:51]

wagnerrp:

ahughes: best you can do is use djmount to mount it as a local filesystem

[03:12:52]

sphery:

NightMonkey: I think the proper keys are now PgUp/PgDown

[03:12:59]

wagnerrp:

and run mythvideo in browse mode

[03:13:02]

jgoulah:

sphery: i can't even pick the songs, not getting to where it plays

[03:13:05]

ahughes:

you know how crap that is :'(

[03:13:22]

jgoulah:

sphery: problem is when i load up the "select music"

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sphery:

ahughes: we'd love for you to write UPnP client functionality and submit the patch to MythTV

[03:13:37]

sphery:

:)

[03:13:40]

ahughes:

in c?

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NightMonkey:

sphery: So is the assignment of remote buttons to keys then through lirc?

[03:13:48]

sphery:

C++ using Qt4

[03:14:06]

ahughes:

would be a new language for me.

[03:14:16]

sphery:

NightMonkey: right, remote buttons to "key strings" is in ~/.lircrc or ~/.mythtv/lircrc

[03:14:21]

wagnerrp:

ahughes: basically... all of the myth devs already have their content in mythtv

[03:14:28]

NightMonkey:

sphery: Great. Thank you!

[03:14:33]

sphery:

NightMonkey: mapping of key strings to actions is in mythtv (Utiltiies/Setup|Edit Keys)

[03:14:34]

wagnerrp:

theres no motivation to work on one, when theres other things to be done

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ++

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ahughes:

wagnerrp, I believe that vlc has a devel upnp plugin....

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sphery:

jgoulah: hmmm... not sure what it could be, then

[03:15:39]

sphery:

jgoulah: since you had the issue on 0.21-fixes and 0.22-fixes, it sounds almost hardware/driver related

[03:15:53]

jgoulah:

sphery: thats weird i can play movies fine

[03:16:00]

jgoulah:

both are moutned on same nfs fs

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wagnerrp:

no, vlc has a upnp client, if you compile it linked against the cyberlink upnp library

[03:16:08]

wagnerrp:

they do not internally have one

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sphery:

jgoulah: might want to try re-scanning for music

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ahughes:

djmount might be the best/only real option then.

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jgoulah:

sphery: is there a way to dump the music and restart scanning entirely? (db table?)

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sphery:

jgoulah: *first* http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore and then http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/407454#407454

[03:20:40]

sphery:

in other words, don't do that without first making a backup :)

[03:21:03]

sphery:

oh, and if it doesn't work, blame that Mike guy on the list, not me :)

[03:24:08]

keith4_:

anything magical need to be done before upgrading from .21 to .22? other than backing up database

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wagnerrp:

read the change notes, so nothing catches you off guard

[03:25:27]

wagnerrp:

specifically the ones regarding mythvideo, and the UI updates

[03:27:31]

sphery:

keith4_: I recommend setting your theme to MythCenter or MythCenter-wide before upgrading

[03:27:45]

keith4_:

wagnerrp, reading now

[03:27:52]

sphery:

keith4_: also http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/405443#405443

[03:27:55]

keith4_:

sphery, *that's* the kind of magic i'm talkin' about

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wagnerrp:

the ui-rewrite rendered all the old themes non-functional

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sphery:

keith4_: it will work otherwise, but you might be confused if you have it set to something else

[03:28:34]

wagnerrp:

if you have an old theme loaded, its *supposed* to revert back to terra

[03:28:46]

wagnerrp:

but setting it before hand will prevent issues

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sphery:

s/it will work otherwise/*if you're using 0.22-fixes*, it will work otherwise/

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wagnerrp:

mythcenter is the only one cross compatible

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keith4_:

it will be.... 0.22+fixes20100105

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sphery:

(i.e. the pre-release version in some distros may not work properly if you have specified a non-existent theme)

[03:29:38]

wagnerrp:

not sure what exactly that number means

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keith4_:

"fixes" as of january 5th

[03:30:01]

wagnerrp:

but thats meaningless

[03:30:20]

sphery:

if it is fixes as of Jan 5, it should work

[03:30:27]

sphery:

but it's less confusing if you've specified a theme that actually exists

[03:30:33]

keith4_:

sage advice

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jgoulah:

sphery: didn't fix. bummer

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sphery:

(i.e. you might think that changing themes doesn't work if you had started mythfrontend when it specified a nonexistent theme)

[03:30:59]

sphery:

jgoulah: :(

[03:31:06]

sphery:

jgoulah: packages from a distro?

[03:31:14]

wagnerrp:

seems 01/05 only saw two checkins, and both were for trunk

[03:31:25]

wagnerrp:

however a data cannot be counted on as a specific revision

[03:31:36]

wagnerrp:

usually not for -fixes, and absolutely not for trunk

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wagnerrp:

s/data/date/

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jgoulah:

sphery: i was on the ubuntu 9.04 apt packages, now i'm on compiled source

[03:31:55]

sphery:

jgoulah: I was also thinking there was some issue with taglib and network shares... thought it was only CIFS/SMB, but what happens if you move the music directory to a local disk?

[03:32:03]

jgoulah:

sphery: can i jack up debug levels on frontend

[03:32:12]

wagnerrp:

sphery: came across a bug in mythfs

[03:32:15]

sphery:

doubt there'd be much info

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jgoulah:

sphery: can try local disk

[03:32:41]

keith4_:

hmmm. this is looking less and less like something that I should do on a Monday night, this late

[03:32:49]

sphery:

jgoulah: can try with strace and/or gdb ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging ) to see if it gives more info

[03:33:08]

sphery:

wagnerrp: big one or little?

[03:33:09]

wagnerrp:

seems i never bothered to check for '/' characters

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sphery:

in the format string?

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sphery:

or the DB metadata?

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wagnerrp:

so ive got a folder here, '(2100–2200) Heroes – Pass'

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

amusingly containing the single file 'Fail.mpg'

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sphery:

lol, how apropo

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sphery:

s/apropo/apropos/

[03:35:04]

sphery:

So, I've noticed a /lot/ of very confusing typos in my e-mail messages to the list... I should really work on my typing accuracy

[03:35:28]

sphery:

thing like talking about editing and mistyping the word, "exiting" as "editing"

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jgoulah:

sphery: local disk seems the same

[03:36:32]

sphery:

jgoulah: I'm out of guesses, then

[03:37:24]

sphery:

I have to admit that I don't really use MythMusic, though. I only have about 10 CD's, and I almost never listen to them (only really when my 'net connection is down and I can't do Internet radio).

[03:37:34]

sphery:

someone else may have better ideas

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jgoulah:

sphery: hm, strace does show its a segv on the frontend

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sphery:

if it's a segfault, then a good backtrace--as at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging and http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 would be useful

[03:41:47]

sphery:

unfortunately, the plugins get stripped no matter what, so you won't be able to get good debug symbols

[03:41:51]

sphery:

but it might be nice

[03:42:06]

sphery:

if you can pastebin one, I'll take a look at it

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jgoulah:

ok

[03:42:17]

jgoulah:

why do the plugins get stripped

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sphery:

we haven't gotten around to adding --compile-type=debug support to the plugins, yet

[03:43:23]

sphery:

it's on my todo, but not high priority (as I don't do much work at all on plugins)

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** sphery should do it before 0.23, though **

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jgoulah:

you want a bt of the frontend right

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sphery:

right

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sphery:

or, specifically, of the plugin (but which is run by the frontend)

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jgoulah:

sphery: shouldn't setting ulimit create a coredump file, or do i have to recompile for that

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jgoulah:

or does it not matter since its a plugin

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clever:

plugins are within the main process, so just the normal stuff

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clever:

ulimit -c unlimited;mythfrontend

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clever:

and make sure it can write to the directory its in when it crashes

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clever:

though acording to sphery, there wont be debug symbols on the plugin files, so it wont be very usefull

[03:50:34]

sphery:

jgoulah: yeah, core dump would work mostly the same as live gdb

[03:50:38]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Using_core_files

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sphery:

though translate that for mythfrontend

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sphery:

jgoulah: btw, you said you compile yourself, right?

[03:53:17]

jgoulah:

yeah

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sphery:

jgoulah: if you happen to have the build directory still around, you can actually get the debug symbols by doing a: sudo cp mythplugins/mythmusic/mythmusic/libmythmusic.so /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythmusic.so

[03:53:49]

sphery:

or /usr/lib (if you installed to --prefix=/usr )

[03:54:11]

sphery:

that would make the backtrace 10 million times better... :D

[03:54:36]

sphery:

and you'd need to restart the frontend, too

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jgoulah:

ok, can do that

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sphery:

(probably--it might actually work if you do that after the crash and then run gdb on the mythfrontend-with-debug-enabled-mythmusic-lib--but it's safest to crash it with the debug lib and run gdb against the mythfrontend with the same lib

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wagnerrp:

they made a smoking aces 2? what, was it straight to video?

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high-rez:

I'm getting NVP(1): prebuffering pause every once in whilke with vdpau. It doesn't seem to matter what profile I use – every 10 seconds or so I get that a real fast audio/video blip. Are there tuning params I should be trying ? The card is an 8600GT – which I understand is supposed to be plenty fast (faster than the ionitx I was using before...)

[04:00:24]

squidly:

wagnerrp: yea direct to vhs

[04:00:42]

wagnerrp:

well now i dont believe that either

[04:00:46]

wagnerrp:

they still make VHS?

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[R]:

high-rez: aside from deinterlacing... the "speed" of the card is irrlevent

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[R]:

high-rez: my ion plays perfectly

[04:01:39]

high-rez:

Yeah I've had no problems with my ion, but my 8600GT is having occassional pauses :/

[04:01:40]

squidly:

wagnerrp: i think in some 3rd world countries

[04:01:54]

jgoulah:

sphery: seems something aint right http://scsys.co.uk:8001/38287

[04:02:05]

wagnerrp:

sphery: no, i was wrong... bindings problem.... i forgot i moved that formatting code into the bindings

[04:02:06]

[R]:

are you playing the exact same content? what is it?

[04:02:11]

sphery:

high-rez: I'd guess audio config issues

[04:02:13]

wagnerrp:

mythfs itself is perfectly functional... :P

[04:02:33]

sphery:

wagnerrp: ah... cool. working out the issues

[04:02:39]

squidly:

mythfs?

[04:02:45]

** squidly googles **

[04:03:30]

wagnerrp:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7858

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sphery:

jgoulah: try: gdb mythfrontend -c /tmp/core.1263873497.1000.17797.mythfrontend

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sphery:

squidly: mythfs is what people who currently use mythrename to rename files will be using in the future :)

[04:05:13]

high-rez:

sphery: Any pointers on how to validate ?

[04:05:20]

sphery:

(because mythrename.pl is going to become mythlink.pl :)

[04:05:51]

sphery:

high-rez: it's very difficult to guess... best I can do is mention http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause

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jgoulah:

sphery: better http://scsys.co.uk:8001/38288

[04:06:46]

sphery:

(what I'm trying to say is that what you need to do outside Myth is very much system-dependent. at least the page I linked gives good advice for configuring myth)

[04:06:48]

NightMonkey:

sphery: It's strange. When I edit keys in Setup/Edit Keys, "3" and "9" are apparently already bound to pgup and pgdown.

[04:07:01]

NightMonkey:

But it seems to have no effect.

[04:07:25]

NightMonkey:

(Oh, under "TV Frontend" key section)

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high-rez:

Interesting, it seems to be worse when I use 1x vs 2x.

[04:07:30]

sphery:

jgoulah: that's great--except you seem to have cut it off right when it was getting interest--right at the point where it segfaulted...)

[04:07:45]

** sphery goes to fix the wiki instructions **

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jgoulah:

sphery: thats literally the end

[04:09:21]

jgoulah:

the ( completes to gdb)

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sphery:

jgoulah: can you try this for me, too: sudo gdb mythfrontend -c /tmp/core.1263873497.1000.17797.mythfrontend 2>&1 | tee mythtv_backtrace.txt

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sphery:

jgoulah: *and* do set pagination off in gdb before the "thread apply all bt"

[04:10:03]

sphery:

jgoulah: see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Using_core_files (I updated it)

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jgoulah:

ok

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sphery:

did that create a log file called: mythtv_backtrace.txt ?

[04:11:30]

sphery:

if so, I'll put the tee into the wiki

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jgoulah:

don't think you'll find this much different http://scsys.co.uk:8001/38289

[04:13:54]

jgoulah:

yes the tee worked

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sphery:

hmmm... OK, I guess that's all there is

[04:15:13]

sphery:

so, anyway, fwiw, that's the /best/ plugin-related backtrace I have ever seen in my life--good job on doing it with the symbols

[04:15:37]

sphery:

seems we have an invalid pointer in CdDecoder::getNumCDAudioTracks()

[04:15:58]

clever:

i'm thinking its more likely a function called by that

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sphery:

ok, "problem" in

[04:17:56]

sphery:

jgoulah: do you have a CD in the tray?

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clever:

sphery: if we get an strace log, we would know exactly what is going from kernel->userspace, which could let you reproduce it if you edit your copy to fake those replies

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sphery:

I think he did an strace first...

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sphery:

jgoulah: can you pastebin the strace output?

[04:19:50]

sphery:

I'm wondering if there's a non-music CD in the drive and it's not handling that properly

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sphery:

jgoulah: In MythMusic General Settings , check your CD Device...

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high-rez:

Hmmf, I think it is my soundcard. It's onboard nvidia with ALC888

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squidly:

ok anyone here good with setting up a usb/serial adapter?

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high-rez:

Setting to alsa:default everything is fine. alsa:surround51 i get pauses.

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high-rez:

:/

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sphery:

high-rez: what rate is the audio?

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sphery:

32kHz?

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high-rez:

Hmmf, not sure. Is there a way to get myth to tell me ?

[04:35:11]

sphery:

I think ffmpeg will with : ffmpeg -i /path/to/file

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jgoulah:

sphery: sorry popped away, want strace?

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high-rez:

Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5:1, s16, 384 kb/s

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sphery:

jgoulah: first check your CD Device setting in MythMusic General Settings

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sphery:

high-rez: hmmm... I don't have any guesses, then

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high-rez:

Perhaps I'll give my alsa source a bump seewhat happens. Or try a soundblaster card next :/

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jgoulah:

sphery: /dev/cdrom

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sphery:

does that exist?

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sphery:

is it correct

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jgoulah:

it exists

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jgoulah:

i could try cdrom1 , i have two

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sphery:

are the 2 cd drives empty?

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jgoulah:

sphery: cdrom1 worked

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jgoulah:

wtf

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sphery:

probably worth trying cdrom1

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

strange

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sphery:

is there anything in cdrom0

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jgoulah:

don't think

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jgoulah:

i'd have to look

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sphery:

if there is something in there, I'd be interested to know if it works with /dev/cdrom with nothing in the drive

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sphery:

and if so, if it works with a music CD in the drive

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jgoulah:

i dont even know if i own a music cd :) but let me see if anything is in there

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jgoulah:

sphery: yeah, it appears the cdrom is heavily affecting mythmusic... it does seem something might be in one of the drives (light is blinking like busy, it wont open), the other- when I opened it the music stopped

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sphery:

jgoulah: can you eject the cd in the first drive when you exit mythfrontend?

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sphery:

it might be locking the drive

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jgoulah:

sphery: nope, not sure what its doing.. no worries though, at least mythmusic works now

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sphery:

Woah... Changing channel priorities changes which shows are recorded. If only there were someone who kept saying over and over that people shouldn't change channel and input priorities unless they read and understand all of section 12 of the HOWTO...

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sphery:

jgoulah: OK. Glad we got it working. And, unless we can get more info on what may be messed up, we'll have to assume it's a non-Myth problem.

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jgoulah:

sphery: so ejecting your drive doesn't control your music? :)

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sphery:

(Seems to be in the libs reading the CD device, anyway)

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jgoulah:

sphery: fair enough..

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sphery:

jgoulah: I'm wondering if your drive may be non-functional (or plugged in wrong or something)

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jgoulah:

honestly its totally possible, i rarely use optical media

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jgoulah:

thats why the drive affecting my music doesn't bother me

[05:02:16]

jgoulah:

now that I can actually select it :)

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jgoulah:

sphery: on that note, bedtime, but thank you much for the help, im happy to have gotten it working

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sphery:

enjoy, I hope the new-found functionality is music to your ears

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** RyeBrye admits to changing input priorities **

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RyeBrye:

I'm not sure if the HD priority was inplace when I did it though. I could probably set them back to normal and use that (since I just made my HD tuners a higher priority I think) – although I haven't had any problems with it in my setup

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squidly:

how can I kill a frontend's use of an input..

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wagnerrp:

why do cops on tv always test for drugs by tasting them?

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squidly:

wagnerrp: because actors are stupid

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wagnerrp:

i mean that seems like a singularly bad idea

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squidly:

wagnerrp: yea it is.. what if that "coke" turned out to be cynaide

[05:20:13]

wagnerrp:

what if that white powder is actually anthax

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wagnerrp:

wouldnt feel so impressed with yourself then

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Loto:

cause they're checking if its good enough to keep

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Loto:

jeeze

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Loto:

dont you know anything???

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Loto:

oh wait thats RL not TV haha

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sphery:

RyeBrye: even HDTV priority affects which shows you record--basically the same as channel priorities, but only for shows marked as HDTV in listings

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RyeBrye:

right

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sphery:

IMHO, all priroties save rule priorities are evil

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sphery:

most people don't notice when they cause issues, but when they do, they talk like Myth is broken, but it's doing exactly what they've said

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Dagmar:

Argh.

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Dagmar:

Looks like I'll have to remove the channels which have non-HD duplicates from my lineup

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[R]:

huh?

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Dagmar:

It's picking stupid channels

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Dagmar:

For example, Comedy Central HD is on 260

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[R]:

what?

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Dagmar:

Going through MythWeb (or the console) to tell it to record one show per day, by clicking on the one for that channel, it'll record on channel 60 every time.

[06:36:04]

Dagmar:

Channel 60, the SD version.

[06:36:10]

Dagmar:

It knows they're the same show.

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clever:

isnt there an hdtv only flag in the rule?

[06:36:39]

Dagmar:

I thought I remember hearing something about that

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clever:

and the hdtv prio that sphery mentioned just an hour ago

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Dagmar:

clever: Have you seen an HDTV-only rule anywhere?

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[R]:

i dont have any non-hd channels that are duplicates of my hd channels unless the timezone is differnet

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clever:

i thought i saw one somewhere, dont remember exactly

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Dagmar:

Here they're still shipping out analog

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Dagmar:

So if you get the extended digital, the same STB also gets you all the analogs as well

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clever:

lots of 480i digital channels here also, and i cant capture digital yet anyways

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Dagmar:

Once I've nuked the analog channels from the digital lineup, it should behave correctly by falling back to the PVR-500 if it needs to

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clever:

ah

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Dagmar:

...because the rule telling it to prefer that tuner, OR the fact that I've downranked both the pvr-500 inputs should sort it

[06:39:30]

clever:

yeah

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Dagmar:

I'm just a little irked that I can set up that rule and it'll pick channel 60 instead of 260

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Dagmar:

Trying to figure out what's up with the passthru SPDIF

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Dagmar:

Either it's not working or my TV is expecting the SPDIF input will be shared with HDMI or something

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Dagmar:

I've got plastic fiber connecting the STB to the HD-PVR, and the HD-PVR to the TV

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Dagmar:

I thought at first it wasn't getting audio, but no... when I open the captured files in WMP it definitely shows the little logo in the corner saying "fancy audio found"

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Dagmar:

clever: The fun thing is that this box definitely needs an 8400 stuck in it

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Dagmar:

I can play the files on my PC, but they won't play on the frontend withou VDPAU heh

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Dagmar:

It tries "valiantly" and fails

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clever:

ive got a few blu-ray samples that just cripple both vdpau and software decoding

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[R]:

vdpau is made for bluray

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[R]:

so you're doing something wrong

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Dagmar:

No, I'm not.

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Dagmar:

h.264 decoding needs it.

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clever:

[vdpau] Error when calling vdp_video_mixer_render: An invalid handle value was provided.

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Dagmar:

I figured I'd have this issue going into it

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clever:

[vdpau] Failed VDPAU decoder rendering: An invalid handle value was provided.

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clever:

200 times over

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[R]:

Dagmar: not you

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Dagmar:

clever: which codec are they using?

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clever:

Selected video codec: [ffh264vdpau] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg H.264 (VDPAU))

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clever:

VDec: vo config request – 1920 x 1080 (preferred colorspace: H.264 VDPAU acceleration)

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clever:

VO: [vdpau] 1920x1080 => 1920x1080 H.264 VDPAU acceleration

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Dagmar:

Weird.

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Dagmar:

I thought it might be VC-1

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Dagmar:

What video card are you using?

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clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1)

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Dagmar:

That doesn't support VDPAU apparently.

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Dagmar:

No wait, I see it lower in the list

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clever:

yet vdpau works just fine on most files

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Dagmar:

Hmm... feature set A. It should work.

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clever:

the only problem ive been having with vdpau

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clever:

if it cant handle the codec, it will software decode, then vdpau render

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clever:

causing it to use double the cpu power

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clever:

so i have to give mplayer an override to force xv and software decode

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Dagmar:

If it were actually VC-1 somehow, that would fail

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clever:

ID_VIDEO_FORMAT=avc1

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clever:

VIDEO: [avc1] 1920x1080 24bpp 23.976 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)

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Dagmar:

Weird.

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clever:

ID_VIDEO_CODEC=ffh264

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Dagmar:

That card only supports _partial_ decel of vc-1

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clever:

its both vc-1 and h264 :S

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Dagmar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU#Table_of_NVIDIA_GPUs

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Dagmar:

I didnt' know that was even possible

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clever:

acording to -identify on mplayer, they are seperate areas of the compression:S

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clever:

i'll just go with the 720 version, the laptop cant even handle 1080 without downscalling it

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alakhia:

hi

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alakhia:

i've built a settop box and having random grey screens

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alakhia:

the screen becomes completely grey (no cursor, task bar, etc)

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alakhia:

typing Ctrl+Alt+F1 doesn't take me to console either

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Dagmar:

Sounds like it's just crashing the whole machine to me

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Dagmar:

Can you ssh back into it when this happens?

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alakhia:

since this is a new machine, is it hardware related or software?

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alakhia:

i haven't tried ssh

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Dagmar:

That'll let you know if the whole machine crashed, or just X

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alakhia:

will have to wait until the next time it turns grey

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clever:

another crash ive seen is where ping works and it answers the SYN for ssh, but ssh itself never connects

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alakhia:

i tried myth, chakra live cd

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alakhia:

both use nvidia driver

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alakhia:

i tried two different versions of driver but that didn't help

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alakhia:

ok, i'll wait until it grey's out again and find out if i can ping and/or ssh to it or not

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alakhia:

i also ran memtest on it and that passed

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alakhia:

one cycle

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alakhia:

ok, thanks guys for the ideas

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alakhia:

i'll be back

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alakhia:

bye

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Tanthrix:

I don't suppose anyone in here is an expert on the samba / CIFS client for mounting windows shares...

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justinh:

Tanthrix: I thought the whole point is that you don't need to be an expert ;-)

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[09:01:31]

Tanthrix:

justinh: True enough. I've got some weird issues going on though, things at a level low enough that I'm not not quite sure how to proceed.

[09:01:53]

Tanthrix:

justinh: http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux-cifs-cli . . . /005512.html (If you're bored and curious...)

[09:03:31]

justinh:

I stopped using samba from windows to linux.. my server was hanging when the samba share became unavailable :-\

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[09:04:01]

justinh:

opted just to bosh all the stuff onto the linux box instead. much more reliable that way

[09:04:29]

justinh:

I've never really understood SMB btw, I just smack it with my hammer til it sort of works

[09:04:52]

Tanthrix:

I may end up just doing that, especially since I've got a gigabit switch coming on Wednesday.

[09:05:46]

justinh:

CUPS does my frickin head in. all our windows machines can see the printer, print to it.. but can we hell check the status. needs admin privs to see your own print status ffs

[09:06:10]

Tanthrix:

Linux printing is luckily something I've never had the need or want to get into. I can imagine it's fun.

[09:06:26]

justinh:

and I'm pretty sure my samba network stuff is dangerous or ill-advised but it 'just works' so I don't peek into it very deeply

[09:06:40]

Tanthrix:

Do not ever look behind the curtain.

[09:08:09]

justinh:

Tanthrix: heh that's a bit of a weird issue but I suspect it'll turn out to be samba version differences or something

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justinh:

I wouldn't mind knowing WTH ubuntu's 'share this folder' actually does, cos it doesn't set up NFS or SMB exports

[09:09:15]

Tanthrix:

justinh: Yah, that's what I'm b beginning to think. I just hope there is a way around it, because it is seriously slowing down MythVideo.

[09:09:38]

justinh:

FWIW I'd just bosh it on the head & go with NFS throughout

[09:10:02]

octavsly:

NFS and autofs

[09:10:05]

justinh:

I think samba produces a lot of traffic on its own even when you're not doing anything with it

[09:10:20]

Tanthrix:

I don't suppose there is some nice OSS nfs file server for Windows...

[09:10:59]

Tanthrix:

All my media is on my windows machine, and the drive is currently intertwined enough that I could not just yank it out and stick it in my be/fe. That would require purchasing a new drive, and I've already spent enough lately.

[09:11:15]

justinh:

there's Windows For Unix services but you can bet they're not OSS ;)

[09:12:09]

Tanthrix:

Can you setup an NFS share with that?

[09:12:47]

justinh:

apparently

[09:12:59]

justinh:

I've no idea if they include it these days though

[09:13:20]

stuarta:

i think you have to download it as an addon

[09:13:26]

stuarta:

and they hide it pretty well

[09:13:53]

justinh:

looks like they stopped updating it in 2006

[09:13:58]

justinh:

they support up to XP

[09:14:57]

Tanthrix:

I'm running 7 x64, so I suppose I'm out of luck.

[09:15:09]

stuarta:

you'll just have to go digging

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justinh:

there might even be a sshfs server available at a push

[09:16:50]

justinh:

but that's more overhead you don't want

[09:17:13]

Tanthrix:

Sounds messy. I think if I end up being pressed, I'd rather just buy a new 2TB drive and get everything on the myth box.

[09:17:59]

Tanthrix:

Hopefully the cifs guys will come through on the mailinglist, now that I've given them a bit more info to work with.

[09:18:57]

justinh:

one day, when I become a programming wiz I'll be able to dump windows.. all I really need is something that does what Ableton Live can do.. oh and a totally non-sucky multitrack audio/video editor. And the moon. On a stick

[09:19:28]

Tanthrix:

Just use wine! It works great for low latency audio apps of severe complexity.

[09:19:47]

justinh:

ableton in wine?

[09:20:02]

justinh:

with ASIO? I doubt it

[09:20:12]

Tanthrix:

Oh c'mon, you didn't notice that dripping sarcasm?

[09:20:14]

Tanthrix:

;)

[09:20:39]

justinh:

heheh

[09:21:07]

justinh:

ok then all I need is an *affordable* macbook that'll run Ableton without any trouble :D

[09:21:18]

justinh:

macs can mount nfs right?

[09:21:56]

justinh:

maybe the only thing holding linux audio apps back for me is the lack of an engine better than libsoundtouch

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AndyCap:

justinh: wait and see if they roll out any new hotness soon?

[09:37:15]

AndyCap:

justinh: then get the previous model

[09:38:55]

AndyCap:

and SMB won't generate much traffic, but NMBD will hold regular elections and all that crap.

[09:39:19]

AndyCap:

since netbios over tcp works as a dysfunctional democracy.

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ivor:

Tanthrix: just make a cifs mount to a share on the windows machine.

[09:40:35]

Tanthrix:

ivor: Hrm?

[09:41:26]

AndyCap:

man mount.cifs

[09:41:42]

ivor:

didn't read all the backlog. but you mentio having media on the windows machine you want to access from linux.

[09:42:03]

ivor:

just share from windows and "mount -t cifs" to the share.

[09:42:05]

Tanthrix:

Aye, but the problem I'm having is one of traversal time. The mount works fine otherwise.

[09:42:16]

AndyCap:

But if you let it talk to a samba server instead of a windows server it all goes down the tubes. Since the samba smb unix extensions gives you the worst of nfs and smb.

[09:42:23]

Tanthrix:

Have a look at this: http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux-cifs-cli . . . /005512.html

[09:42:35]

Tanthrix:

Quite the conundrum.

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ivor:

clearly the ubuntu machine is doing something silly. :)

[09:44:00]

Tanthrix:

Hehe, so I noticed.

[09:44:21]

Tanthrix:

Tried it on two different machines, so it's definately not a hardware issue. Could just be something with the newer cifs client.

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ivor_:

Tanthrix: guess the samba guys will solve it for you but clearly the difference there is that the archlinux client it processing each directory at a tie with a single call

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ivor_:

whereas the ubuntu one it processing each file separately.

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Tanthrix:

ivor_: The question is why. I wondering if it's just a difference between the older client version and the newer client, which might mean that I'm screwed/

[10:30:00]

Fleck:

can mythtv change monitors refresh rate by played content fps

[10:30:01]

Fleck:

?

[10:30:36]

Fleck:

for example – bbc planet earth is in 23.9 fps, so i need to set my tv refresh rate to 23Hz and it plays OK then

[10:31:09]

Fleck:

but, SAT tv here are 25fps, so i need 25Hz or 50Hz

[10:31:41]

Fleck:

NTSC movies – 30Hz or 60Hz etc etc

[10:32:23]

justinh:

23 Hz? thought it was 24

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Fleck:

nah, when i set to 24Hz – i get stuttering

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Fleck:

when to 23 – perfect ;)

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justinh:

weird

[10:33:02]

Tanthrix:

Define stuttering.

[10:33:16]

Fleck:

no, when i view refresh rate – i can see it's 23.9 :)

[10:33:30]

justinh:

IMHO, 24FPS is a regression, not progress in technology :D

[10:35:25]

Fleck:

justinh anyway – whatever i set i get unsmooth video... only 23Hz works OK

[10:36:00]

Fleck:

tried 24, 25, 29, 30, 50, 59, 60Hz – noone is OK with BBC planet earth

[10:36:39]

Fleck:

but i switch to SAT tv, there are 25fps... so i need to switch to 25Hz or 50Hz

[10:36:43]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: Are you referring to that nearly imperceptible judder that you get from watching 24 fps material on a non-24fps divisible refresh rate, or like major stuttering of the picture?

[10:37:26]

Fleck:

Tanthrix maybe dunno how to define

[10:37:48]

justinh:

slight jerky motion seen on slow pan shots etyc

[10:37:54]

Fleck:

yes

[10:38:18]

justinh:

but the video otherwise looks smooth, that's a FPS rounding issue

[10:38:35]

justinh:

.. which is why I detest 24P

[10:38:36]

Tanthrix:

Like, so slight that anyone but a compulsive geeky person like most of us here wouldn't ever notice in a million years? Or slight that most people would notice?

[10:39:25]

Fleck:

Tanthrix as my dad said to me – noone will notice this :) so i guess first variant ;)

[10:39:31]

Fleck:

first case

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justinh:

why on earth they didn't move film to higher rates years ago.. 25fps would've been better.. maybe less likely to have 3 hour long movies too :D

[10:40:12]

Tanthrix:

K, that is what I was referring to then. I thought the standard rule in PAL areas was to just playback 4 percent faster to get even 25 percent, thereby avoiding judder?

[10:40:15]

justinh:

for film it's prolly a framerate to footage tradeoff

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Tanthrix:

er, even 25 fps

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justinh:

Tanthrix: some people are really anal about musical pitch ;)

[10:41:01]

Fleck:

Tanthrix well yes, but this doesn't help in 60Hz

[10:41:09]

Tanthrix:

Well, only the 0.001 percent of the population that has perfect bitch. Everyone else should be OK. ;)

[10:41:15]

Fleck:

and yes this incrase tone

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Tanthrix:

Er, perfect pitch.

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justinh:

Tanthrix: AFAIK I don't have perfect pitch either but I can tell when music is the wrong speed

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Fleck:

sadly i am sound engineer ;(

[10:41:58]

justinh:

even 2% either way

[10:42:04]

Tanthrix:

I can too, though I can live with it much better than judder.

[10:42:27]

justinh:

heh I'd rather it be too high/low pitch than timestretched with libsoundtouch

[10:42:30]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: Anyway, as far as I know, myth cannot change refresh rates. You might be able to hack something together with mythvideo though.

[10:42:48]

justinh:

AFAIK there are patches for trunk to support this

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Fleck:

Tanthrix anyway – xorg doesn't seems to understand my TV refresh rates and i cannot set it to 50hz even

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Fleck:

something hacked in xorg.conf – now i got 50Hz but then again – cannot set 23 ;P_

[10:43:38]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: If you can find a way to change refresh rates on the fly, you could create arbitrary file types in mythvideo that excute the proper command to change the refresh, playback your video with mplayer, then change it back when you're done.

[10:44:02]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: You'd have to rename your files based on their FPS though, which could be annoying.\

[10:44:05]

justinh:

if playback profiles can operate on framerate that'd be the way to go too

[10:44:08]

Fleck:

ohh sounds difficult ;)

[10:44:33]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: Just get yourself a set that can do 120 hz native, and you'll be set for life. ;)

[10:44:44]

Fleck:

hehe

[10:45:18]

Tanthrix:

Don't know if any of those actually exist though..I seem to recall reading that all the sets that say 120hz do some sort of trickery to obtain it

[10:45:20]

Fleck:

on 120Hz there is no FPS problems?

[10:46:03]

justinh:

http://www.avenard.org/media/Patches_%26_Add- . . . pdate_2.html

[10:46:03]

Tanthrix:

Well, 120hz is evenly divisible by 24, 30, and 60 so you can watch all film content without the judder.

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Fleck:

Tanthrix moustly here are 23.9 and 25

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Tanthrix:

23.9 = 24

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justinh:

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Tanthrix:

As for pal content, then you're screwed I suppose.

[10:47:27]

Fleck:

Tanthrix as i said before – i have to set my TV to 23Hz for 23.9

[10:47:46]

Tanthrix:

And as justinh said, that's weird.

[10:48:27]

justinh:

and as I said previously see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5643#comment:5

[10:48:37]

justinh:

so it's not yet in mythtv but might make it soon

[10:48:42]

Tanthrix:

Spiffy.

[10:48:51]

justinh:

couldn't care either way TBH

[10:49:16]

justinh:

"now you can watch movies with movement as jerky as in the cinema" YAY :-\

[10:49:42]

justinh:

takes me ages to get used to 24fps

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Tanthrix:

justinh: Watching a film on a 50/60hz tv does nothing to make it more jerky. All it introduces is judder.

[10:50:11]

justinh:

no I mean when I go see a 24FPS movie at a cinema it looks jerky to me

[10:50:18]

Tanthrix:

Better to watch it natively to avoid that. But I agree, everything ought to be 60fps

[10:50:19]

Tanthrix:

Oh, gotcha.

[10:50:35]

justinh:

that is, once my eyes get used to the shutter flicker

[10:50:56]

justinh:

it's not *that* noticable but once you do...

[10:51:44]

Tanthrix:

Glad I've never been able to spot that ;)

[10:51:49]

justinh:

just a shame the majority of everything digitally shot at > 24FPS is utter crap

[10:51:55]

Tanthrix:

Then again, I loath theaters nowadays, so it's a non-issue.

[10:52:07]

justinh:

Tanthrix: the flicker tends to wear off after a couple of minutes

[10:52:34]

justinh:

but pans etc always look slightly less than fluid

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Fleck:

ok seems that xbmc is able to automatically adjust refresh rate

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justinh:

groan

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Fleck:

and it's 23 not 24...

[10:53:29]

Fleck:

i am not the only one who says so ;)

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justinh:

it's 24

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justinh:

24fps (23.9something)

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Fleck:

nope ;)

[10:53:51]

justinh:

it fricking IS

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Tanthrix:

Seriously, go read wikipedia.

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Fleck:

when set to 24Hz, refreshrate is 24+ Hz

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Fleck:

Tanthrix what is wiki? who wrote it? nobody knows

[10:54:32]

justinh:

23.976Hz actually

[10:54:42]

Fleck:

maybe someone like you :)

[10:54:45]

justinh:

not just on wikipedia

[10:55:01]

Fleck:

who THINKS it's 24Hz, i tested it, i have facts ;)

[10:55:08]

justinh:

you're WRONG

[10:55:22]

justinh:

not by much but still

[10:55:35]

justinh:

and the longer you go on insisting it... the less likely I am to contest it

[10:55:37]

Fleck:

maybe, but this is reality, you have only words :/

[10:55:42]

justinh:

MUH

[10:56:08]

justinh:

ok then Einstein. Where did you get your info?

[10:56:26]

Fleck:

justinh i did experiment by my self ;)

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justinh:

riiiight

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Fleck:

tried "on my own skin" :P

[10:56:44]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: Your weird monitor and some pirated rip you have does not an experiment make.

[10:56:54]

Fleck:

justinh, Tanthrix ok forget, never mind ;)

[10:56:56]

justinh:

go edit wikipedia then :D

[10:57:03]

justinh:

put them right!

[10:57:23]

Fleck:

Tanthrix well, i have original BBC BD disk ;)

[10:58:03]

justinh:

not like any media investigation tools have ever been prone to rounding errors eh

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Tanthrix:

Fleck: 35mm film is filmed at 23.976 frames per second, commonly referred to as 24 fps, and it has been for ages now. You can verify this pretty much anywhere.

[10:58:37]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: And all the newer digital cams that do 24 fps mode match this old standard as well.

[10:58:53]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: Why your montor looks better at 23 hz rather than 24 hz does not change this.

[10:59:01]

Fleck:

Tanthrix ok but when i set TV to 24Hz, refreshe rate displays 24+ Hz... when i set it to 23 i get 23.9Hz

[10:59:36]

justinh:

so something is screwed up there, who knows what

[10:59:36]

justinh:

but hey if it works don't split hairs

[10:59:36]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: And as we've said, that is a weird quirk of your monitor or video card. Nothing more.

[10:59:44]

justinh:

it doesn't mean the content IS 23fps :)

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Tanthrix:

Precisely.

[11:00:00]

justinh:

just that "it looks best when your teevee reports it's working at 23FPS"

[11:00:01]

Fleck:

it's not, it's 23.9fps :D

[11:00:15]

justinh:

whatever

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Fleck:

justinh no, my tv stills says it's 24Hz, control panel says 23, when i view real time refresh rate when playing BBC PE video – it says 23.9Hz :)

[11:01:30]

justinh:

so *something* is reporting *something* *WRONGLY* somewhere

[11:01:42]

Tanthrix:

Fleck: Bottom line, back to your issue, you have two options: Get svn and get the patch working that justinh linked you to, or setup your own filetypes in mythvideo to do it for you.

[11:01:59]

justinh:

or just begger orf & use XBMC. Have a nice day

[11:03:59]

Tanthrix:

justinh: What we really need are 600hz sets. They could do film, pal, and ntsc natively! ;)

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justinh:

I wish we lived in a world where there were maybe two framerates

[11:06:37]

justinh:

moving to digital & HD was the *ideal* opportunity to standardise framerates & resolutions. Whoops

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Fleck:

justinh, Tanthrix don't be angry at me, i just say what i have tested, and i am not the only one who says that 23Hz works smoother... nothing more... sorry guys

[11:07:17]

Tanthrix:

I have a dream...that one day, we will have only 2 standard frame rates, metric/SI units of measurement, and the elimination of all philips screwdrivers from existence!

[11:07:26]

justinh:

Fleck: we keep saying that it's NOT 23HZ – it's just *reported* as that

[11:07:39]

justinh:

or whatever

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Fleck:

ok :) it's not ;)

[11:07:52]

justinh:

it doesn't mean the *content* is 23FPS

[11:07:55]

justinh:

not by any stretch

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Tanthrix:

justinh: Yah, that was a serious screw up. I really wish they would have done away with interlacing, for instance.

[11:08:15]

justinh:

you can't come into an IRC channel & start arguing that black is white

[11:08:39]

justinh:

Tanthrix: oh and y'know.. like a *world* TV standard.. stuff like that

[11:09:02]

justinh:

part of the reason analogue HD never happened was that nobody could agree on any aspect of it

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Tanthrix:

justinh: Pretty typical of just about anything involving standards, unfortunately.

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Fleck:

justinh btw, where did i say it's 23fps?

[11:12:08]

Fleck:

i mean where did i say that white is black

[11:12:15]

Fleck:

or vice versa

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justinh:

you said it only looks fine at 23 so therefore must be

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Fleck:

i did not say second part...

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Fleck:

only first

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justinh:

you blimmin did

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Fleck:

where? :)

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justinh:

"10:53 < Fleck> and it's 23 not 24..."

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justinh:

anyhow, I'm out of this discussion. It's genuinely not going anywhere

[11:13:58]

Tanthrix:

Well, I'm off to bed. Later justinh. Don't fleck around too much on here, it's not good for your blood pressure

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** Tanthrix tips his hat **

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justinh:

laters, Tanthrix

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Fleck:

:)

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Fleck:

bye Tanthrix_AFK

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justinh:

bye Fleck KTHXBAI

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sid3windr:

anyone know if Pinnacle 7010iX is a useful card?

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sid3windr:

2x analog/dvb-t + 2x dvb-s :o

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justinh:

maybe not, noting who it's made by

[11:27:08]

justinh:

what does the linuxtv wiki say?

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sid3windr:

now now

[11:27:29]

sid3windr:

you know I was being lazy

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justinh:

and?

[11:27:38]

sid3windr:

so you know I was still on my way to opening it!

[11:27:48]

justinh:

and?

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sid3windr:

my current dvb-t card is from pinnacle and works fine in linux/myth btw ;)

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justinh:

the v4l dvb wiki doesn't list that card

[11:28:27]

justinh:

so next it's a case of seach their mailing lists

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sid3windr:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle_PCTV_7010iX&nb sp;;/

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justinh:

OK SMARTASS

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justinh:

!trout sid3windr

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** MythLogBot slaps sid3windr with a trout on behalf of justinh... **

[11:29:07]

sid3windr:

:-)

[11:29:40]

justinh:

actually that page says nothing about it working

[11:29:43]

sid3windr:

indeed

[11:29:48]

sid3windr:

nothing about it not working either

[11:29:58]

sid3windr:

I'm looking at the individual chips mentioned there

[11:30:03]

sid3windr:

to see if they are somehow supported

[11:30:07]

sid3windr:

but I think it's going to be nada ;)

[11:30:16]

justinh:

you could prolly assume that since it's only an lspci listing... that it doesn't work yet

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sid3windr:

yea

[11:30:41]

justinh:

but it might, if it's been worked on off-wiki (always likely) & is in Hg

[11:30:42]

sid3windr:

and "software analog" sounds suspiciously like framegrabber to me somehow :)

[11:31:29]

justinh:

still though, dual dvb-t/ dvb-s would come in handy

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sid3windr:

yup

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sid3windr:

still 4 tuners on one pci slot :)

[11:32:37]

sid3windr:

hmm

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sid3windr:

4x 8x multirec

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sid3windr:

= pci exlodes? ;)

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sid3windr:

+p somewhere

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sid3windr:

oh hmm it's pci express even

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justinh:

might be worth looking in linuxtv Hg.. found a couple of mailing list messages saying there was experimental support for the chips used

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sid3windr:

:-)

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sid3windr:

yeah I'll look around some more

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sid3windr:

I see it on ebay for 74 pounds but also for 39 eur

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sid3windr:

so if you or anyone might be interested, go for the 39 eur one :p

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sid3windr:

that's my ebay disease, was buying 2 new x10 remotes for my frontends and clicked "view more from seller"

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sid3windr:

;/

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justinh:

not named in http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb/file/cdcf089168 . . . vb/cards.txt

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sid3windr:

TDA10046A is supported by tda1004x but SAA7162E/R5/G might be a problem

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sid3windr:

however I guess there should be a chance to get this going

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sid3windr:

with perhaps some help from #linuxtv :)

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sid3windr:

*ponder*

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justinh:

sid3windr: it'll certainly make a nice card if it ever works :-)

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Fleck:

justinh btw, how to get ridge of that judder when refreshrate matches fps ?

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justinh:

that NXP have some stuff available without NDA leads me to think they're outsourcing design

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justinh:

hang on... saa7162 you say...

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justinh:

rings a bell in this place

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sid3windr:

it does? :)

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justinh:

yeah but even if we do use it here & I was able to lay hands on the docs...

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sid3windr:

well there is a 716x driver for linux

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sid3windr:

and it should support it

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sid3windr:

according to google

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sid3windr:

but it likely "just" needs a definition for that board

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sid3windr:

"or something"

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justinh:

the other dual hybrid card of theirs uses the same chip

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justinh:

that doesn't work in linux either AFAICT

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justinh:

ahh some posts say it works now, saa7162

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justinh:

searching those lists is a frickin nightmare

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sid3windr:

:-)

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sid3windr:

I think I'll buy it :]

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sid3windr:

though it's not supported yet, it may be easy to fix that

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justinh:

looks like development is ongoing though

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justinh:

37 hours ago: http://jusst.de/hg/saa716x/rev/e5e7e2f8cfb7

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sid3windr:

:)

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justinh:

I still think it's weird how tuners don't have any IF cans onboard these days

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justinh:

Oh man, how could I have overlooked this gem? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/12/avatar_blues/

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sid3windr:

IF cans?

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sid3windr:

yea that was a hilarious post ;)

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justinh:

sid3windr: aye, big bulky metal canned inductors & stuff

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sid3windr:

oh :)

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sid3windr:

as found on some video cards?

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sid3windr:

or something else

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** sid3windr not very electrotechnical **

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justinh:

as in the tuners of the olden days

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justinh:

when everything was analogue

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sid3windr:

hmm

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justinh:

before DSPs were in everything

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sid3windr:

so older than my wintv pci ;)

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justinh:

nah, the metal can of your wintv tuner card will have IF cans inside it

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sid3windr:

ah

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

haven't opened it :)

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sid3windr:

it was still in use until a few months ago

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justinh:

you mean you've never had one apart & you call yourself a geek? ;-)

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sid3windr:

10 y + old

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sid3windr:

:p

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sid3windr:

I only open stuff that's broken

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justinh:

so do I. I'll leave you to guess which order it happens ;-)

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jlanzac:

hi

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jlanzac:

I would like to make a couple of questions

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jlanzac:

I have some videos in hard drvies and I plug and mount them into my linux machine

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jlanzac:

the issue is, is it possible to include /media/disk as an storage group? Is there any big problem?

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justinh:

depends how you plan to access those videos

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_abbenormal:

no

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justinh:

you can't just stuff them into your 'recordings' list

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justinh:

but if you use mythvideo which is designed for the job...

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jlanzac:

justinh it is just for movies and series I have stored in external hard drives

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jlanzac:

the recordings will be always done in the main disk... and after a while is I want to, moved to another external HD

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justinh:

so you need mythvideo then. and yes it's easy to just assign the drive mount point to a storage group

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justinh:

but remember you can't play ISO images over storage groups

[14:12:47]

BobLfoot_:

I am getting the error "location not found" from mplayer when trying to watch streaming asx from upstream of my router {WAN side}. Everything works on the LAN side and I'm getting into the mythweb box and getting the management webpage. Just a problem when I try to view a video. Thoughts?

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jlanzac:

yes I know that

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jlanzac:

the issue is that right now I don't know how to play anything else out of the storage groups

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jlanzac:

is it possible with mythvide?

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justinh:

huh?

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jlanzac:

I mean.. now I have all my files in directories under storages groups

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justinh:

you set a storage group (or groups) to use with mythvideo, scan for changes.. bada bing

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jlanzac:

yes...

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justinh:

then they magically appear & you can play them

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jlanzac:

but is it possible to play videos not defined under the storage groups directories?

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justinh:

course it isn't

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justinh:

why would it be?

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justinh:

you can define a storage group to contain more than one directory I think

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jlanzac:

if you look at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo

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jlanzac:

in local video storage section they claim it is possible

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justinh:

so why the hell did you ask?

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justinh:

fair play I guess.. you did read it in a wiki...

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jlanzac:

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jlanzac:

this is why I ask...

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justinh:

but if you ONLY define a storage group then you CANNOT read stuff outside of the group

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justinh:

didn't manage to make it working? what does that mean?

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justinh:

does it mean you saw files there but they would not play?

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justinh:

or does it mean that it saw no files?

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justinh:

que?

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jlanzac:

spanish?

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justinh:

explain what you mean by "it doesn't work"

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jlanzac:

I don't get to see the files in the Local Video Storage

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jlanzac:

I have an storage group under /var/lib/mythtv/videos

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jlanzac:

and then I want to include a local video stroage under /home/username

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jlanzac:

and I want to play files in both places

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jlanzac:

and get the remote info -pictures, info,...- (when you press 'w')

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jlanzac:

but I guess if you have storage groups you cannot have local?

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jlanzac:

am I right?

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ivor:

hmmm, wonder if my severs are ok at home.... main machine dropped off the network twice this morning and cctv box is rebooting every 10 minutes. :( very odd.

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ivor:

probably get home and find them in 2 inches of water.

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j-rod:

I wonder... could commflagging be adapted to only show me the actual ACTION parts of a football game?

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j-rod:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274 . . . 5561406.html

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j-rod:

oh wait. I don't really give a damn about nfl football anyway.

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AndyCap:

j-rod: haha, and I thought soccer was boring.

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Fleck:

justinh how do you know clock frequency?

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j-rod:

AndyCap: see, I find quite the opposite, I really like watching EPL games

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j-rod:

Chelsea v. Sunderland this past weekend was fantastic

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j-rod:

(unless you support Sunderland, in which case, it was probably rather depressing)

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j-rod:

I actually play a LOT of soccer myself, which makes the games more interesting

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wagnerrp:

Fleck: if for some reason you dont know what your processor is, you can 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'

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Fleck:

wagnerrp thanks, it's modeline i need to generate ;)

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Fleck:

xrandr doesn't show me 1980x1080@24Hz

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wagnerrp:

you dont use CPU speed for modelines

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Fleck:

so i need cutom modeline o guess

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Fleck:

*i guess

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Fleck:

wagnerrp no it's a pixel clock :)

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keith4:

are there any extremely-compelling reasons to upgrade to .22?

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keith4:

i just got my .21 setup working smoothly again, after my cable co went digital-only and moved all of their channels again

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stuartm:

keith4: that's a judgement call that only you can make

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keith4:

if there were one new feature that qualifies as "you NEED this"... what would it be? i'm looking over the new features list, and nothing really jumps out at me

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wagnerrp:

new ui, significantly improved mythvideo

[18:03:40]

wagnerrp:

but there arent many themes for the new ui

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wagnerrp:

and 0.23 is due out at the end of february

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wagnerrp:

if you havent transitioned yet, you may just want to wait

[18:04:05]

keith4:

hmmm. excellent point

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stuartm:

if you don't want the new UI, vdpau, hdpvr support, improved player code etc then no – and I'd rather you stuck with 0.21 if it makes you happy than upgrade to 0.22 only to complain about it (as some have done)

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keith4:

complain about the upgrade process? or about the end result?

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keith4:

yah... vdpau will be amazing, next time i need a new frontend

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wagnerrp:

yeah, if your cableco moved to digital, HDPVR support may be very compelling

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stuartm:

there were improvements in 0.22 that not everyone was happy with, they wanted new features but didn't want change

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keith4:

at this point, i'm able to get amazing results with firewire. but yes, they may crank up their jerk-o-meter again and break that

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keith4:

i think the woman is finally not annoyed at quirkiness, too. (i had to patch 6200ch to allow 4-digit channels) i guess i shouldn't discount that factor

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: Nice patch, compelling title

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iamlindoro:

;)

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stuartm:

am I the only one who thought of a patch which increased max seek speed to 60x?

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iamlindoro:

I guess it made sense right off the bad to me because I had talked to him about it

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iamlindoro:

er right off the bat

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keith4:

alright, i'll hold off. thanks wagnerrp and stuartm

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elmojo:

I thought the subject for the ticket sounded ok

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iamlindoro:

I think it's fine

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wagnerrp:

nah, a 'compelling title' would have been something like '[PATCH] Improve MPEG-TS seeking performance for great justice'

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elmojo:

Wrong "English" I guess ;)

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CyberKnet:

does anyone remember the name of the website that polls svn for projects and calculates the 'cost' / 'value' of the code/markup in the project? I can't remember it for the life of me for some reason...

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iamlindoro:

ohloh

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CyberKnet:

aah!

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CyberKnet:

thanks iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

np

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CyberKnet:

No idea why I couldn't remember that.

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iamlindoro:

horrible site, though

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iamlindoro:

svnsearch is a much better view of who is actually doing work/what they're doing/etc.

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kormoc:

CyberKnet: Did you get my message the other week about getting the box of stuff?

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Dibblah:

Oh, goodness. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 35?page=last

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wagnerrp:

brian is my hero

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sphery:

3M lines of "Temp too high"

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sphery:

wonder what it's trying to say...

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devinheitmueller:

sphery: it's too cold in his chassis.

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sphery:

ah, I see...

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sphery:

these kernel messages sure are confusing

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iamlindoro:

math is hard!

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iamlindoro:

Don't ask me, I'm just a girl!

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sphery:

Someone should tell him that he should switch his dual-core system for a single-core. It would halve the number of log messages.

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rowinggolfer:

I bought a hauppauge 2200 dual DVB tuner, and have mangaged to get it recognised by my mythbuntu 9.10 machine (after building the driver from sources, and copying firmware over). I have 2 other tuner cards in the box. My Issue is the card can't acquire a lock, despite claiming a 95% signal strength. I have played around with the time out settings, and am using the EIT grabbed by the existing (working) cards. Can a

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: try using the command line scan and zap tool, so you can identify whether this is a mythtv issue or a general tuner problem.

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rowinggolfer:

devinheitmueller: ok. I will do that. Seriously I don't think mythtv is at fault here. I thought the card was well supported by linux, I was wrong :(

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devinheitmueller:

The DVB-T side of the card works quite well.

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rowinggolfer:

are you in the UK?

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devinheitmueller:

... and that series of cards is used quite frequently under MythTV.

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: no, I am in the United States.

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rowinggolfer:

ok. I have seen sucess posted, but not here in the uk.

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rowinggolfer:

I wonder if it could be a frequency issue.

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rowinggolfer:

tzap will diagnose I hope.

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devinheitmueller:

Well, try out the command line tools, and that will help narrow down whether you can tune to the frequency at all.

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rowinggolfer:

devinheitmueller: many thanks.

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devinheitmueller:

np

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aggitan:

in 0.22 where are the deinterlacing options?

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wagnerrp:

same place they were under 0.21

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aggitan:

Where is that?

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wagnerrp:

playback profiles, frontend settings

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aggitan:

How do I get to playback profiles?

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall the exact position off hand... http://mythtv.com/wiki/Playback_profiles

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justinh:

utils/setup > setup > tv > tv playback – in there somewhere

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stuartm:

anyone using MNV? Is the youtube search working?

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justinh:

lord help us when things move in the settings revamp

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justinh:

s/us/me/

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: whats your error?

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iamlindoro:

Works for me ;)

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wagnerrp:

so the search from the command line

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iamlindoro:

youtube.py -S "Search Term"

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aggitan:

thanks.

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wagnerrp:

ive been getting some generic 'i dont know what happened' from the grabber, something it was not designed to handle

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iamlindoro:

stuartm: Actually, I have a feeling about that one

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wagnerrp:

going in and adding some commentary into the code, from what i can tell, im having problems with UTF-16 text

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wagnerrp:

i try to print the failing string to the screen, and im just getting garbage

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: "! Error: Unknown error during a Video search"

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iamlindoro:

Meh, I think I know what it is, programmer error

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iamlindoro:

possibly, anyway

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iamlindoro:

probably

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wagnerrp:

yeah, same thing im getting

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iamlindoro:

I blame svn add

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stuartm:

for any search text

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iamlindoro:

it didn't add .pyc files...?

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: Give me the search term you are using and I will check it here.

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stuartm:

RDV_Linux: any search term I can possibly imagine is returning the same error

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stuartm:

'mythtv'

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iamlindoro:

No, cease the troubleshooting, it really is my fault

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iamlindoro:

no need to waste all your own time

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RDV_Linux:

ok

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stuartm:

hmm, I can see some of the problems with flash, volume was too low with youtube and you can only fix that with a mouse

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: which grabbers have .pyc files? Youtube, vimeo, and...?

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Vimeo is the ONLY grabber that has to have a pyc distributed.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: youtube has three in my code

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stuartm:

seems youtube have a Dublin special? 'All videos within 500km of Dublin' (there was just one)

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wagnerrp:

python should generate any of those things on-demand

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iamlindoro:

three .pycs

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: and that is just one file.

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wagnerrp:

i dont think you should need any of them

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, them never mind, back to troubleshooting with RDV_Linux

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iamlindoro:

er then

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stuartm:

bah, now I'm stuck in mythbrowser, Escape isn't working

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iamlindoro:

stuartm: click the history widget at the top

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wagnerrp:

'pyc' files are just a serialized version of the code for faster loading

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iamlindoro:

stuartm: puts focus back on mythUI widgets and you can get out

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: we need at least one where to comply with the API terms we have to hide the key

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iamlindoro:

so in our case, it's not *just* for that

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats what doug just said

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: hmm any search. Please do a search from the command line and pastebin the results.

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stuartm:

needs a default-wide theme, wonder if we can find a volunteer

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iamlindoro:

stuartm: The youtube grabber does an approximate geolocation and gives you local results... guess it's VERY approximate for you

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iamlindoro:

(the dublin part of the tree view)

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stuartm:

./youtube.py -S "mythtv"<newline>! Error: Unknown error during a Video search (mythtv)

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stuartm:

no point in a pastebin for two lines :)

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iamlindoro:

same search works here, hmm :(

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stuartm:

as in another country ;)

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, yeah

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: Was expecting something more complicated.

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: thats only because when i was pasting stuff, i had added print lines

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** iamlindoro wonders if stuartm complains about the frosting flavor when he gets free cake too ;) **

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stuartm:

iamlindoro: right below the Dublin entry there is one for nearest city

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wagnerrp:

remember, you 'except' everything, and return that string if its an unknown error

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stuartm:

RDV_Linux: as I mentioned, any search term :)

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: sure I am suppose to gracefully exit and cannot account for all errors.

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: nv_python_libs/youtube/youtube_api.py, add the single word 'raise' to line 641

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: im just saying as a result, there is little to no debugging capacity

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wagnerrp:

add the '-d' flag on the command line as well

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: please run the same query with an additional -d option like ./youtube.py -d -S "mythtv" and pastebin the results.

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RDV_Linux:

-d is for debug

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stuartm:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1757953

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RDV_Linux:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

That's interesting, it starts to get back results

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iamlindoro:

The one that *should* come right after that is http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/api/videos/876jZuLhsbU

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stuartm:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1757963

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LtChambers:

Hi, I tried to setup MythTV on Windows with HDHomeRun and I get channels detected when scanning in MythTV's channel editor but the channels never get added. I "add automatically" the new channels and then it says it detected unused transports and no matter what I selected (delete, ignore, can't remember the other), the channels list stayed empty.

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stuartm:

if it makes any difference, I have a router level block on google-analytics (and a few common ad purveyors)

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iamlindoro:

LtChambers: Running the backend with tuner devices on Windows is not yet supported

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iamlindoro:

Nor, in fact, is running the backend in general on windows

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LtChambers:

iamlindoro: I thought that was for TV cards...damn

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iamlindoro:

Nope. *once* it's supported the only one we'll support to start will be the HDHR, but we're not there yet

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stuartm:

LtChambers: that's not to say it won't or shouldn't work, but it's not officially confirmed to work to my knowledge

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justinh:

be a good test case though.. then we'll finally know why windows DVRs suck. Is it cos of the underlying OS or the software? ;)

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LtChambers:

what's the platform dependence bit? MySQL is cross-platform and the HDHR is a network API, right?

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stuartm:

LtChambers: maybe you can work with one of the windows devs to figure out why it's not working

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iamlindoro:

stuartm: And a whole bunch of Jeff Lu tickets open regarding making the backend work

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justinh:

LtChambers: mythtv was initially developed on linux & was never intended to run on anything else

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justinh:

AFAIK

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iamlindoro:

I know Mark plans to get to them, but that they weren't immediately appliable for various reasons

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devinheitmueller:

I have to wonder whether it's worth the energy. There are so many better things the developers could be focusing their attention on.

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justinh:

LtChambers: platform dependence mostly sprung out of windows not having anything like V4L

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stuartm:

devinheitmueller: oh I agree, I really don't see any point in a windows port, especially not the backend – aside from bragging rights

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LtChambers:

Windows has a lot of usability still for newbie users compared to Linux. Plus Skype, hmm

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justinh:

people skype on linux

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LtChambers:

yeah that client was last updated when? :P

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justinh:

as for usability, that doesn't wash

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stuartm:

for a dedicated backend I really can't begin to understand why anyone would want to use Windows ... or maybe I meant to say, I can't understand why anyone would use Windows

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devinheitmueller:

I don't doubt that is someone cared enough, they could certainly make it work. But I also think that developer's energy could be put to much better use working on other things.

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: run the same search with http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1757969

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justinh:

vista & w7 are just as windowsey as windows ever was & still flummox the uninitiated. Computers is computers :)

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devinheitmueller:

... and the increased matrix of "supported configurations' is certain to increase support overhead, something which is also in short supply.

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LtChambers:

devinheitmueller: windows support would indeed be a flood of support requests

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stuartm:

devinheitmueller: generally the core devs don't care about the Windows port, commiting a change which breaks linux support is a sin, but breaking windows support doesn't raise an eyebrow

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devinheitmueller:

But hell, don't get me wrong. If someone ponies up fifty grand, I'll do it.

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justinh:

is that all? :-O

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iamlindoro:

Well, it raises eyebrows and loud complaining from two or three users who seem to think it's a supported platform

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justinh:

really not being sarcastic there

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iamlindoro:

And who think we should all hop to to fix Windows

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LtChambers:

does mythtv have continuous integration?

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devinheitmueller:

justinh: well, we would have to very strictly come to a definition of the word "support"

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justinh:

look no further than XBMC for multiplatform headache blues

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wagnerrp:

LtChambers: i have no idea what that even means

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LtChambers:

er, well XBMC has been working quite well on Windows, and they originally started on XBox, can't imagine the platform crap they were stuck with there

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justinh:

LtChambers: stuff gets brought to linux mythtv first. if windows stuff gets broken, people who generally aren't core devs try & fix it up to 'work' again

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justinh:

and all that without breaking linux operation

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justinh:

it's like oil on water IMHO

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LtChambers:

continuous integration is god's gift to collaborative, cross-platform development ;)

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justinh:

like creationism you mean?

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1757978

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devinheitmueller:

The backend isn't rocket science, and it's built on QT so it's already pretty portable. It would just need a ton of TLC to work through the edge cases (assuming that it would just be support for something like the HDHR that doesn't need V4L).

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LtChambers:

yeah, I can accept MythTV not supporting Windows-centric hardware

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justinh:

from what I hear the frontend 'pretty much just works on windows' whatever the heck that means

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iamlindoro:

stuartm: RDV_Linux: wagnerrp: So locale issue?

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iamlindoro:

Yay Python + Unicode!

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: The one the grabber died on is 'http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/api/videos/b-yNCqj_MXs' The urls are printed before the call to the url is made. I checked the data and cannot see any problems. What is your locale?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i hashed it out with RDV_Linux a few days ago, and we couldnt fine any locale issues with my system

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justinh:

I wouldn't wanna built a windows frontend just for fun. I'd sooner stick to SMB & explorer :P

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wagnerrp:

and thats the same error i had been getting

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stuartm:

RDV_Linux: en_GB.UTF-8

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devinheitmueller:

justinh: that's really why it isn't supported today. Nobody really wants to do it "just for fun", and nobody is doing it for profit/compensation, so it won't get done at all.

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devinheitmueller:

(not that I see a problem with that)

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: This should be ok. wagnerrp is the only one I have seen have an issue even with utf8 locale set properly.

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justinh:

I'd much rather see people help polish myth before porting it, that's my only beef with the windows work

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justinh:

I'm not against mythtv on windows as such

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LtChambers:

justinh: cross-platform is best done from the ground-up

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justinh:

true, and it's a wee bit late for that now

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LtChambers:

hehe

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: I may get you a special version which would allow the actual backtrace to be displayed which may give me more info.

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stuartm:

RDV_Linux: ok

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justinh:

though you could reasonably argue that very little of mythtv is the same code it was 4 years ago ;)

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: Do other grabbers work for you both search and tree view?

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stuartm:

right, I'm bored with internet tv already, guess I'm not the target audience :)

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LtChambers:

Usenet is my internet TV

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stuartm:

RDV_Linux: the three feeds I have subscribed in tree view work, all the searches work except for youtube

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RDV_Linux:

ok then I will try to make a debug version for you of the youtibe search

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justinh:

LtChambers: porn spam & trolls as entertainment? lol

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iamlindoro:

LtChambers: Talk of theft is against channel rules, consider that your warning please

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stuartm:

user-generated content doesn't really interest me, and low quality video watched via mythbrowser isn't going to endear me to things like Hulu/iplayer :/ I'm happy with my recordings

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iamlindoro:

and no, I don't want to hear any attempts to cast Usenet as legit, don't want to hear about how you're donwloading linux ISO, or anything else

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iamlindoro:

Because I'm the mean op who shoots first and asks questions later

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LtChambers:

iamlindoro: rules can be read where?

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stuartm:

or bittorrent for that matter, no bittorrent really doesn't have any notable legal uses

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iamlindoro:

They're linked in the topic...

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: i think the problem is in that second to last URL

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LtChambers:

FAQ?

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wagnerrp:

its a bunch of binary data

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iamlindoro:

*in the topic still*

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GreyFoxx:

Hey, I DO download my slackware dvd isos via bittorrent ;)

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GreyFoxx:

but yeah, the vast majority of it's use is not legit :)

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justinh:

the stats speak for themselves

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stuartm:

GreyFoxx: aye, as do a few thouand users of several distros, but that amounts to probably less than 0.0001% of all bittorrent traffic :)

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wagnerrp:

ive heard blizzard does updates through bittorrent

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GreyFoxx:

I loved it, downloaded the slackware 13 dvd at around 55megabit :)

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stuartm:

GreyFoxx: heh, what's your connection?

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wagnerrp:

thats well over 10M customers, and a several billion dollar product, run through bittorrent

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GreyFoxx:

a combination 5 fibre connections, some 100Megabit, some multigigabit

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GreyFoxx:

(my office) :)

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: As far as I remember all processing is done before the next URL is processed so an abort should not happen on a previous URL. Anything is possible.

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GreyFoxx:

home is just 15megabit :)

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justinh:

all I seem to get here is 1MB/sec on 20mb

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justinh:

DNS is still shockingly slow sometimes though

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stuartm:

if I pick the right mirror I can get 10mbit/s (my connection limit) through http, and that's what I prefer to do since I've found bittorrent can be slow to seed and thus isn't much good in the first couple of days after a release

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GreyFoxx:

the slackware downloads are usually very very fast

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wagnerrp:

all i seem to get here is 350KB/s, because if i unlimit my connection, my 10yr old modem craps out

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justinh:

think we might downgrade our broadband

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LtChambers:

hmm, bittorrent is mentioned specifically in the rules but usenet isn't :P

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wagnerrp:

were talking about linux ISOs

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LtChambers:

oh me too

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GreyFoxx:

my work is also peered with my cable isp, so I get that full 15megabit from my office which is handy

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iamlindoro:

LtChambers: I'm not splitting hairs with you, I'm *telling* you it's offlimits

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iamlindoro:

feel free to mention it again and find out if I'm serious

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justinh:

how do trawlers catch fish then?

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** justinh runs away **

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iamlindoro:

besides, the rules forbid *any* legally dubious content

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** dustybin catches justinh **

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LtChambers:

yes, I can't blame mythtv for being careful, DMCA is ridiculous (is criticizing constitutionally dubious laws legally dubious? hrm)

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LtChambers:

do commercial DVR makers pay a levee to TV content owners like Canadian CD-R sellers do to music owners? (IIRC)

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LtChambers:

er, levy

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iamlindoro:

You can criticize any law you like-- you cannot use your esteemed legal opinion as a basis for arguing that breaking the rules is okay, however

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GreyFoxx:

LtChambers: No, you have everyright to record your own stuff for your own uses. They pay licenses for the technology (mpeg decoding, audio decoding and so on)

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: In file youtube_api.py line 622 remove the '#' character save and retry the ./youtube.py -d -S "mythtv" and pastebin the results.

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GreyFoxx:

commercial DVR's that download crap from usenet or let yo ushare via bittorrent are just as bad :)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Hey, I wouldn't have pushed send, but you said Trac, and it's more than just Trac. :)

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sphery:

Just trying to clarify/add info.

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iamlindoro:

pllllbbbbbtbttbtbttb

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** sphery really needs an svn ann **

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: if this helps, here is the 'item' it is churning through when it fails.... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1758017

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Are you getting the same youtube search error or is this the UTF16 issue?

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wagnerrp:

heres the traceback... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1758021

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wagnerrp:

and when it fails, its trying to process key 'title'

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wagnerrp:

so line 170 of the first pastebin

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GreyFoxx:

hrm, I think it's hometime

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: That line 442 is replacing '&' with '&' but it needs to account for test which already contains a '&'. All the strings are set as unicode so I do not know what the issue is.

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RDV_Linux:

s/test/text/

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: put a print text and print type(text) right before line 442 so was can see the specific string that is aborting.

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: its the 'title' string, line 170

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stuartm:

LtChambers: there are some of us who enforce the rules not just to keep mythtv out of trouble, but because actually believe stealing is wrong ...

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stuartm:

yes, we're probably a minority and we suffer mockery for our sense of right and wrong, but we still won't abandon our morals just because everyone else has :)

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Noe that is a messy title. ')\xe9\xc1\x96\x87$\xdbM=\x1e(!\x96(!\xb6\xc4\xa5\xa0\xca\x07\x887\x9f'

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wagnerrp:

right, i can only imagine it came from that binary URL file

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wagnerrp:

because if you 'print' it, you just get gibberish

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Try creating a trap on the return and if it aborts just return u'' see if that is better.

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: If it helps I may add it as a general fix

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stuartm:

truthfully I could have cared less until I encountered more and more users who simply refused to show even the tiniest level of shame – I'm not a saint, but I'm willing to admit that, whereas many try to justify it

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: Did you see my suggestion for tracking down the youtube grabber issue at 16:19? I know you are busy.

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stuartm:

and arguing that because you can't legitimately watch something on a computer, you have no choice but to steal it is not a valid argument, it's against the law to defecate in the street – I don't do it anyway and claim the law is stupid

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux, stuartm: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1758046 fixes my issues

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wagnerrp:

although now i end up with a title-less entry

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wagnerrp:

which should probably be filtered out higher up

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stuartm:

you can buy DVDs, Bluray, go to the cinema, watch it on TV, stream it via services such as Hulu – even if they gave you what you wanted you'd still try to find some way of justifying stealing the content (it costs too much!, it's in 1080i not 1080p!, they make me watch a 30 second advert!)

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stuartm:

RDV_Linux: busy ranting you mean ;) I was out of the room for a while, so I missed it, let me scroll back

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: If that works for then it would need to be added to all grabbers as that code is common to all of them both for searches and tree views.

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stuartm:

RDV_Linux: still want me to do that debugging?

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: Yes please as wagnerrp had an entirely different issue or at least I assume.

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stuartm:

hmm, line 622 is empty here

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: look for "print self.searchTitle(title, pagenumber, self.page_limit)" and uncomment the line

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stuartm:

right, figured it was one of those three commented lines

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: I do not like to that the line number is off... but.

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stuartm:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1758056

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stuartm:

622 is three lines lower, below the commented block

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: the line numbers are different because you added the two print lines and the raise i posted

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wagnerrp:

it should be three lines off

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: three lines off counting from that line

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: I reverted that patch though

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: Well it is the same line that wagnerrp was having issue with. Look like I will need to trap for bad data but I would rather figure out what is going on first. I think I have an idea.

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stuartm:

it's still off in a completely unmodified copy

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wagnerrp:

heh... i saw some mention of 'zilog' when skimming the users list, and thought someone was wondering about running myth on their Z80 powered computer

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: Some of us do, you insensitive clod! Err... I mean CowboyNeal! uhh ... never mind.

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wagnerrp:

i know at least one dev wants to run mythtv on their 4-color casio calculator

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stuartm:

RDV_Linux: thanks for looking into it

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stuartm:

and wagnerrp too

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: that joke still goes over a few heads :)

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: np As now to users have had issues around the same code I cannot just blame wagnerrp any more;)

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wagnerrp:

woo! not mah fault

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stuartm:

there is _nothing_ on TV, at this rate I'll have worked through my backlog of recordings and then I'll have to break out the Generation Kill boxset :/

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russk:

When I use Windows 7 and Windows Media Player to stream from my mythtv box, I can hear the audio ..... but when I use Vista I cannot hear the audio ... why can't I hear the audio on Vista ? (of course the audio works for other things in general)

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wagnerrp:

lack of audio codecs

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wagnerrp:

mythtv sends the same exact stream to both

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wagnerrp:

thats a windows/WMP/directshow issue

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russk:

so I just need a codec that Windows 7 has ?

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wagnerrp:

what is your source?

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russk:

a FIOS STB recorded through a WinTV-USB-PVR2

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RDV_Linux:

stuartm: FYI: I know why my line numbers were off I was looking at altered source when I first tried to help wagnerrp. So the code you are using is correct.

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wagnerrp:

so your source audio will be mpeg 1 layer 2

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russk:

right, i think

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rowinggolfer:

devinheitmueller: further to your suggestions earlier, I can confirm that the card (indeed all four receivers) locks on beautifully with tzap. http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1758127

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russk:

so i need the WMP codec for that i guess, right ?

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rowinggolfer:

yet still no lock with mythtv itself.

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: ah, good to know.

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stuartm:

RDV_Linux: good to know

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: within mythtv, are you attempting a channel scan, or do you already have a channels.conf and the tune is failing?

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rowinggolfer:

devinheitmueller: I have tried several times.

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rowinggolfer:

and several ways.

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stuartm:

russk: or you could use VLC, mythfrontend or another media player instead of WMP

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: I'm sorry, I mean *which* method have you tried? I am trying to determine whether this is a bug with the channel scanner, or with tuning in general.

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: for example, have you tried importing a channels.conf and seeing if tuning works (without using the MythTV channel scanner)?

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russk:

ok, thanks stuartm

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rowinggolfer:

devinheitmueller: not exactly. I have entered the location of the channels.conf in and rescanned.

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wagnerrp:

russk: you need the directshow codec for that

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wagnerrp:

WMP does not internally use codecs

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wagnerrp:

they just interface with directshow

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: I would suggest importing the channels.conf, and then just see if you can watch Live TV.

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devinheitmueller:

That will help narrow down whether MythTV tuning in general works, or whether it's an issue specific to the channel scanner.

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wagnerrp:

as does just about every other media player designed for windows

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russk:

thanks wagnerrp, i'm reading the wiki about it now

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rowinggolfer:

devinheitmueller: I can watch live tv with both other cards.

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rowinggolfer:

devinheitmueller: have imported the channels.conf file (myth-setup), but it still proceeds to scan – is this correct?

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sphery:

Dibblah: btw, I have a plan for giving you what you want (sticky ffwd/rew + incremental seek), but it will require some work--I have to refactor a bunch of code so that it's actually reducing code/complexity rather than just another "as bad as the setting" hack

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sphery:

I have a couple other things ahead of that on the TODO, but I should get to it soon

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: I don't doubt that it might work with the other cards. I'm trying to determine though whether it's a general mythtv tuning issue with this card or whether it's a mythtv scanning issue with this card.

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: if you import the channels.conf file, you shouldn't need to do a channel scan at all.

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rowinggolfer:

devinheitmueller: that would make sense, but I import the channels.conf, click "next" and it scans.

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: well, perhaps one of the mythtv people here can offer you some advice there (since I don't play with mythtv-setup enough to tell you what to do without seeing the UI myself)

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rowinggolfer:

devinheitmueller: thanks anyways.

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: I don't remember – which card are we talking about?

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rowinggolfer:

hauppauge 2200

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devinheitmueller:

ah, ok. Are you using tuner 0 or tuner 1?

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rowinggolfer:

I've tried both

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rowinggolfer:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1758127 shows all four adapters I have all working IIUC

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devinheitmueller:

ok.

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rowinggolfer:

I wonder if I have a permissions issue with the channels.conf?

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devinheitmueller:

rowinggolfer: beats me. Chmod it 644 and see if that helps.

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rowinggolfer:

When I did the scan (for channels.conf), it would use the default adapter, correct?

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rowinggolfer:

should I force adapter 2?

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rowinggolfer:

or would I get the exact same file from both?

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devinheitmueller:

You can try. I'm not confident it will help.

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oobe:

rowinggolfer, you dont need to force adapter 2 for livetv just hit the M key to switch tuners

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rowinggolfer:

oobe: yes I can do that, but I would like to have 4 working tuners.

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oobe:

also try checking your frontend logs to see what happens when you end up using the 2200

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russk:

sphery & wagnerrp, btw, I installed ffdshow like the wiki says (which is awesome) and audio is working with WMP now

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rowinggolfer:

oobe – ah ok. I had only checked the backend logs. will run it again.

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oobe:

try mythfrontend -v all

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oobe:

hit livetv asap cause -v all logs so much irrelevant stuff

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sphery:

russk: what kind of video are you playing back? NUV?

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russk:

no, mpg

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sphery:

what source?

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russk:

'file' command says: 3900_20091225234500.mpg: MPEG sequence, v2, program multiplex

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sphery:

what audio?

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russk:

Hauppauge WinTV-USB-PVR2

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sphery:

so, probably MP2 audio

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sphery:

cool... I didn't realize ffdshow stuff still worked, even

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russk:

is there a command that will give me more details ?

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stuartm:

if you had ffmpeg installed, ffmpeg -i <filename>

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stuartm:

but you probably don't

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russk:

Stream #0.1[0x1c0]: Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, 2 channels, s16, 384 kb/s

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russk:

(I do)

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sphery:

nice

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russk:

I'm using ffmpeg to export with a user job

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oobe:

rowinggolfer, also try tzap -r -a 2 "BBC ONE Scot" in one console and mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter2/dvr0 in another assuming adapter 2 is one of the tuners with the problem

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rowinggolfer:

oobe: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1758127

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oobe:

rowinggolfer, yes i know

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rowinggolfer:

the tuners work fine, except with myth it appears.

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oobe:

i saw that already

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oobe:

i added the -r option and suggested you actually play it back using mplayer

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rowinggolfer:

ah, ok.

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rowinggolfer:

oobe: can't see anything of note in the frontend log :(

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rowinggolfer:

and it was too big for pastebin

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rowinggolfer:

oobe: I did your tzap/mplayer combo, and the picture is superb.

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oobe:

and how did playing back in mplayer go?

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rowinggolfer:

fine.

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rowinggolfer:

oobe: thanks for your help. I've set the box to record now, so I'll need to try again tomorrow it seems.

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oobe:

did you set the 2200 tuners up correctly in mythtv-setup ?

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rowinggolfer:

I believe so. I followed the howto.

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rowinggolfer:

drivers not in the 2.6.31 kernel as yet

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Dibblah:

sphery: Thanks. I am absolutely aware that it's not trivial.

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oobe:

rowinggolfer, thats not the issue as you have already proven it now works under linux

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oobe:

so the only thing that could be the problem is misconfiguration in mythtv

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rowinggolfer:

that makes sense, but I have tried every which way to get the damn thing working.

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rowinggolfer:

I've never had trouble before adding/removing cards.

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oobe:

perhaps not adding a video source

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oobe:

or sharing the video source with more than one tuner

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rowinggolfer:

oobe: ah. video source.

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rowinggolfer:

I bet that's it.

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rowinggolfer:

damn.

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rowinggolfer:

and thanks!

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rowinggolfer:

BTW – I took a screenshot with a live "picture in picture" to demo the problem which hopefully you just fixed.

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rowinggolfer:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1989100/myth-picture_in_picture.png

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rowinggolfer:

ok, goodnight folks

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sphery:

simonckenyon: did you notice the patch from danielk in #mythtv to fix the compile error

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wagnerrp:

you know youre not doing enough work when the load on the cluster goes down and the room gets cold

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sphery:

heh

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simonckenyon:

sphery: no i did not – thanks for the pointer – will build now

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sphery:

wagnerrp: try running mythfrontend with Graphite for a theme

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wagnerrp:

'go put a couple more simulations on the furnace'

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sphery:

that should warm it right back up

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wagnerrp:

actually, im thinking of moving to the 3-monitor workstation

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iamlindoro:

He's trying to warm up the room, not turn all that hardware into a pile of slag

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wagnerrp:

at 120W apiece, it gets a bit toasty over in that corner

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sphery:

iamlindoro: good point... I forgot

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sphery:

Now I know where all those slag deposits in Starcraft came from--mythfrontend machines that tried Graphite

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sphery:

simonckenyon: better plan... Just svn up to r23214

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simonckenyon:

sphery: just aborted and started again – should know in a few minutes

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sphery:

cool... it worked for me, so I'm assuming it will work for you, too.

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sphery:

btw, thanks for posting the error to the list--made it much easier when danielk asked for the errors. :)

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simonckenyon:

no prob – didn't think it warrented a bug report – enough of them floating around

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simonckenyon:

been hacking on mythweb – have it using the storage group table for coverart – following on from you hint i'm now looking at mythxml

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sphery:

yeah, something like that typically gets noticed (and, therefore, handled) quickly because it's pretty noticeable

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