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| [00:17:09] | hipitihop: | I can't seem to enable gallery or video plugins. control center seems to go through the motions when I ticke them, but when done the plugins are unticked and obviously no entries for them on main forntend menus. |
| [00:17:41] | antgel: | wow, with my new svn tree, when i try to go into mythweather, not only does my frontend crash, but it appears to take gdm down with it – at least xorg restarts |
| [00:19:02] | antgel: | nothing in the frontend log – nothing in the xorg log |
| [00:20:49] | antgel: | and nothing in .xsession-errors. nor a core dump. how am i going to debug this one? |
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| [00:21:59] | kisak: | hi, where's the setting for mythweb's theme stored? |
| [00:24:27] | antgel: | hmm, but i do have LCDd: sock_send: socket write error in the syslog. i wonder if that is related |
| [00:29:05] | antgel: | disabled LCDd and same result. meh, i'm tired. it can wait |
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| [00:47:59] | NineTeen67Comet: | Morning all: When I hoot my LCD TV to my Mythbox it shows Unsupported Mode; but I go in via VNC and change it to something besides 1900x? and it works .. Until reboot .. How can I make my selection stick after boot? |
| [00:49:07] | wagnerrp: | NineTeen67Comet: thats something between you and your distro |
| [00:49:10] | Tanthrix: | NineTeen67Comet: What are you changing that is reverting on reboot? |
| [00:49:20] | wagnerrp: | you need to properly configure xorg.conf |
| [00:49:34] | NineTeen67Comet: | Just the display settings via XFce .. |
| [00:49:50] | wagnerrp: | Tanthrix: hes using Xorg, with randr support |
| [00:50:01] | wagnerrp: | where you can change the resolution without actually editing the xorg.conf file |
| [00:50:03] | NineTeen67Comet: | wagnerrp: I used to be proficient at xorg.conf .. been a while .. I can google that .. thanks much .. |
| [00:50:11] | wagnerrp: | so all such changes are lost upon a restart of X |
| [00:50:15] | Tanthrix: | NineTeen67Comet: Yah, as wagnerrp said, that's the problem. You need to properly edit your xorg.conf file rather than using the graphical wizard in xfce. |
| [00:51:14] | NineTeen67Comet: | Tanthrix: no prob .. I'll hit up google for a memory jog on the Monitor, Device, Screen etc .. in xorg.conf .. |
| [00:51:29] | NineTeen67Comet: | off to work .. thanks for the direction .. |
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| [00:52:19] | Tanthrix: | So, did myth get rid of the "going all the way "left" in recordings brings up the recording options to delete, change settings, etc.." or am I just doing something wrong? |
| [00:52:39] | wagnerrp: | yes, arrow key accelerators are gone |
| [00:52:46] | wagnerrp: | you need buttons for 'm' and 'i' |
| [00:53:38] | Tanthrix: | Good to know. Know why it was gotten rid of? That was good functionality that has been that way for years. |
| [00:53:47] | wagnerrp: | the UI rewrite |
| [00:54:27] | wagnerrp: | the left/right functions dont work too well if you have a 2D table of recordings |
| [00:54:55] | Tanthrix: | I don't quite understand why not, but I'll take your word for it. |
| [00:55:08] | Tanthrix: | At least now I have a reason to use the big windows button on my MCE remote. ;) |
| [00:55:31] | wagnerrp: | the old UI mandated vertical lists |
| [00:55:44] | wagnerrp: | and with a vertical list, you can make the right button perform a function |
| [00:56:06] | Tanthrix: | Oh, right – terra. I see now. |
| [00:56:16] | wagnerrp: | if your right arrow now navigates, you cannot use it to perform anything but navigation |
| [00:56:38] | Tanthrix: | Makes perfect sense, I understand now. |
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| [00:57:11] | Tanthrix: | Now, why anyone would ever want a horizontal list or theme is beyond my comprehension, but I see why it can't coexist with the arrow key accelerators. ;) |
| [00:58:03] | wagnerrp: | horizontal lists work well if youre just giving an image |
| [00:58:11] | wagnerrp: | vertical lists work well if youre just giving text |
| [00:59:05] | Tanthrix: | I suppose that makes sense. |
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| [00:59:50] | Tanthrix: | I just don't get the direction the new theme is going...I'd much rather be able to see more information, cleanly laid out in a text list, rather than pretty graphics and changes. |
| [01:00:26] | wagnerrp: | you can do that too |
| [01:00:29] | Tanthrix: | Terra is kind of spiffy, especially the recordings screen, but I still feel I end up with less functionality at the expense of prettiness. I like to see as many recordings as I can at once |
| [01:01:01] | wagnerrp: | the whole purpose of the new UI is it makes as much as possible up to the themer |
| [01:01:29] | Tanthrix: | Yah, that is a good thing indeed. I was looking through some the wiki pages on it, seems like you get a lot more control now. |
| [01:01:39] | wagnerrp: | where before the layout was pretty well set, and the themer just got to add images, change fonts and colors, play a bit with sizing |
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| [01:05:08] | Tanthrix: | Hrm, so is the ability to display live previews of recordings (while on the recordings page) broken in 0.22-fixes? |
| [01:05:23] | wagnerrp: | no, it just doesnt exist in 0.22-fixes |
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| [01:06:04] | Tanthrix: | wagnerrp: Really? Is it coming back at some point, or is it gone forever? |
| [01:06:24] | wagnerrp: | a number of the old capabilities of mythtv (and a number of new ones) are being implemented as 'widgets' |
| [01:06:31] | wagnerrp: | the video preview is one such capability |
| [01:06:38] | wagnerrp: | that has just not been written yet |
| [01:06:59] | Tanthrix: | Ah, I see. |
| [01:07:16] | wagnerrp: | when it comes back, it will be entirely up to the themer |
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| [01:07:27] | wagnerrp: | the old option in the settings to turn that on and off is probably gone forever |
| [01:08:10] | Tanthrix: | wagnerrp: Actually, it's still very much there. At least in 0.22-fixes. |
| [01:08:20] | Tanthrix: | wagnerrp: That's why I was confused as to why it wasn't working. |
| [01:08:28] | wagnerrp: | doesnt mean its actually hooked up to anything |
| [01:08:36] | Tanthrix: | Indeed. |
| [01:08:46] | wagnerrp: | its there, but it does nothing |
| [01:08:50] | wagnerrp: | no one bothered to remove it |
| [01:09:31] | Tanthrix: | Well, the logical side of me always thought the live previews were a stupid waste of resources. But now, I slightly miss it. I can easily live without, though. |
| [01:12:29] | Tanthrix: | On the plus side of things, it seems that samba may be to blame for MythVideo loading so slowly. Previously, I thought it was some kind of change with the way metadata is dealt with (which I don't use) but doing a ls -R takes about 4–5 seconds to complete for my 3000 files. |
| [01:14:36] | ** Tanthrix is slowly getting over his upgrade-related crankiness, and is happy to find out things other than the newer version of myth are to blame for his troubles ** | |
| [01:14:47] | wagnerrp: | no, thats just a massive select and parsing of the database |
| [01:15:20] | wagnerrp: | has nothing to do with the filesystem at all |
| [01:15:43] | Tanthrix: | wagnerrp: I've got metadata turned off, so it doesn't do that actually. |
| [01:15:52] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [01:16:17] | wagnerrp: | does your content actually change that often that browse mode is worthwhile? |
| [01:16:24] | Tanthrix: | I use mythvideo has a simple file browser, not for looking at posters |
| [01:16:29] | Tanthrix: | Indeed, quite often. |
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| [01:18:03] | Tanthrix: | IE, multiple times per day. I download lots of videos, some for online classes that I have taken, for instance. |
| [01:18:42] | wagnerrp: | so spend the 5 seconds necessary to do a scan |
| [01:18:54] | wagnerrp: | or write a script to do the scanning, on a cron |
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| [01:19:21] | Tanthrix: | But why would I want to when I have everything I need in simple file browse mode? What would it get me? |
| [01:19:34] | wagnerrp: | metadata for all the relatively static files |
| [01:19:49] | Tanthrix: | But why? What concievable reason would I have for that? |
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| [01:20:25] | Tanthrix: | I know what all of my videos are. All I want is a nice file directory list that I can navigate and play at will. I don't need posters attached to some of my dvd images, or that sort of stuff. |
| [01:20:30] | wagnerrp: | it looks nicer, it lets you use filtering and sorting |
| [01:21:33] | Tanthrix: | Don't need any filtering or sorting, I keep everything organized perfectly in regular directories. As for nicer, that's a matter of opinion ;) |
| [01:22:20] | Tanthrix: | In any event, after building my new myth system and upgrading to 0.22, mythvideo went from loading in 1 second (with any new, updated files) to about 6–7. But now it seems like most of that is not myth at all, since the ls -R takes nearly the same amount of time. |
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| [01:23:03] | Tanthrix: | I ordered a gigabit switch (something I've been meaning to do for a while now) which might help, but I imagine the issue might be more related to samba tweaking. |
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| [01:23:45] | Tanthrix: | (Well, obviously it's related as such, since it worked perfectly fast on my old system that was connected via a 100mbps switch.) |
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| [01:24:30] | Tanthrix: | Anyway, I get what you're saying. If I could have meta data that was automatic and did not impact speed at all, I would do it. |
| [01:24:49] | wagnerrp: | most people would tell you you shouldnt be using samba |
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| [01:25:28] | Tanthrix: | But I've got 3000 videos of all kinds of varieties, most likely none of which would automatically be able to get data on. So I'd either have to do it myself, or deal with lots of holes. All in all, keeping things organized the old fashioned way results in a nice clean look and great speed. |
| [01:25:52] | Tanthrix: | wagnerrp: Is there a better way to share files via a windows box that I'm not aware of? Or do you just mean I shouldn't have my media on a separate machine? |
| [01:26:05] | Dagmar: | This is why I keep talking about just storing data in a plaintext XML file |
| [01:26:12] | Dagmar: | s/just/; |
| [01:26:40] | wagnerrp: | well most people would say it should be stored on your backend, or some other NAS running a slave backend |
| [01:27:05] | wagnerrp: | of course you could run a SBE under windows, and use storage groups that way |
| [01:27:08] | Dagmar: | Actually, I can probably haxor that support in, now that I think about it |
| [01:27:17] | Dagmar: | s/I think/I've thought/; |
| [01:27:25] | Tanthrix: | wagnerrp: Well, it would certainly be more ideal. But, as I've said, this has worked perfectly for 4 years now, and it's more convenient this way for me, so I don't think I'll be changing unless I had to for some reason. |
| [01:27:36] | wagnerrp: | although ideally, that code would get split off from the backend, possibly combined with in mythjobqueue |
| [01:27:49] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
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| [01:28:09] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: Capt'M has been talking about something very similar for years |
| [01:28:25] | Tanthrix: | I'm in the same way with my photographs. I'm a bit of an amateur photographer, and I've probably got 40,000 photos spanning the last 10 years. |
| [01:28:43] | wagnerrp: | some sort of portable format, that myth would read from the database if available, or otherwise pull out of a properly named text file |
| [01:28:50] | Dagmar: | It would be simple enough--If the video scanner finds a file and there's no metadata on it already, if there's an *.xml file with the same name sitting there right next to it, it would be simple to read in |
| [01:28:50] | wagnerrp: | like the current srt support |
| [01:29:01] | Tanthrix: | But instead of dealing with some database oriented setup (like an app such as Lightroom) uses I keep them all organized by date in neat directories. No fuss, no issues with upgrading, plain and simple. |
| [01:29:27] | Dagmar: | XML is less likely to fall prey to charset support issues, as XML files can have that particular bit of info in-line |
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| [01:30:25] | Dagmar: | ...and it's already got QtXML around |
| [01:30:40] | AndyCap: | sidecar files |
| [01:31:01] | Dagmar: | Pretty much |
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| [01:31:14] | AndyCap: | wonder if there's any development in available mpeg-7 tools/libraries |
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| [02:24:56] | iamlindoro: | Sigh... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8464453.stm |
| [02:25:16] | iamlindoro: | Things not to do when your Pope was a Nazi... defend the Cathloic Church's actions during WWII |
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| [02:34:08] | Tanthrix: | I'll take "Papal revisionist history" for $400, Alex! |
| [02:34:33] | EnderTheThird: | isn't there a way to keep the original file when you transcode a recording? I thought I remembered finding it once, but I can't find it anywhere in settings |
| [02:35:28] | Anduin: | EnderTheThird: There is a setting in mythtv-setup to keep the old file |
| [02:36:33] | EnderTheThird: | Anduin: thanks. Where does it put the new transcoded version then? |
| [02:37:05] | Anduin: | EnderTheThird: Same location, old is saved as .old (I believe, I don't transcode really) |
| [02:37:09] | iamlindoro: | same place, leaving ... |
| [02:37:12] | iamlindoro: | dang it ;) |
| [02:37:28] | EnderTheThird: | Awesome. Thanks |
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| [02:51:23] | br14: | hey guys, I'm looking to change the font size in the watch recordings screen. But cannot find the right place todo it. any clues? |
| [02:51:47] | br14: | ..I'm trying to make the smaller fonts larger, for my dad since he can't see well |
| [02:53:02] | iamlindoro: | Assuming you are using .22 or greater, the only way to modify font sizes on that screen is to edit the theme itself |
| [02:53:47] | br14: | I've been trying to use the appearences menu under setup with no luck |
| [02:53:55] | iamlindoro: | It's not menu-modifiable |
| [02:53:57] | br14: | iamlindoro: humm that sucks |
| [02:54:30] | kisak: | if you get your dad a tv that's twice as big ... |
| [02:55:59] | br14: | I like that, but I've shelled out enouf $ fixing up his old POS dell |
| [02:56:04] | kisak: | the font isn't scaled to the screen resolution, right? |
| [02:56:09] | kisak: | would the text look larger if the menu was shown at a lower resolution? |
| [02:56:51] | kisak: | if I recall correctly, you can set menu and playback resolution independantly |
| [02:57:17] | br14: | good idea |
| [02:58:54] | br14: | wow myth/nvidia/my tv didn't like that at all |
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| [03:06:25] | br14: | ok now I can only see the top Left corner of the screen |
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| [03:20:36] | russk: | how come I have to repair my database so much? |
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| [03:23:54] | wagnerrp: | russk: because your computer keeps crashing |
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| [03:23:59] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v iamlindoro | |
| [03:24:27] | iamlindoro: | Without standing over your shoulder 24 hours a day, it's a good guess that you shut it down improperly, crash it, or run out of space frequently |
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| [03:30:09] | br14: | ok so changing the settings to use different resolutions for the theme and the video has totally hosed x11 |
| [03:33:00] | russk: | wagnerrp: my computer is stable |
| [03:33:15] | wagnerrp: | for whatever reason, mysql is not |
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| [03:33:48] | wagnerrp: | barring some unknown fault in mysql, your database is not being closed cleanly |
| [03:36:30] | russk: | seems like it's always the recoredseek table |
| [03:37:24] | tmkt: | is there some trick to ripping disney dvds? |
| [03:37:35] | tmkt: | trying to populate my Videos gallery |
| [03:37:43] | tmkt: | but Up won't rip |
| [03:38:38] | wagnerrp: | someone at disney must have a fetish for broken DVDs |
| [03:38:47] | wagnerrp: | they all seem to have problems for one program or another |
| [03:39:07] | tmkt: | yeah..tried ripping it on Mac |
| [03:39:24] | tmkt: | and the software reported that they intentionally inserted bad sectors into the VOB |
| [03:39:37] | wagnerrp: | yes... broken DVDs |
| [03:40:29] | tmkt: | annoying |
| [03:40:40] | tmkt: | looks like i can probably do it with VLC though |
| [03:57:54] | wagnerrp: | fantastic... mythtv only recorded the first half of 24 |
| [03:59:19] | tmkt: | was debating between 24 and chuck |
| [03:59:22] | tmkt: | chuck won out |
| [03:59:29] | tmkt: | i'll be dl'ing 24 tomorrow or something |
| [03:59:47] | tmkt: | seems Handbrake is the solution to disney dvds |
| [03:59:50] | wagnerrp: | chuck didnt play tonight |
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| [03:59:58] | wagnerrp: | and you cant download 24 |
| [04:00:23] | wagnerrp: | as far as i know, fox only offers it for streaming |
| [04:00:56] | tmkt: | yeah. |
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| [04:00:58] | tmkt: | and fox won't do canada |
| [04:01:02] | tmkt: | Global TV |
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| [04:17:00] | [R]: | real time comm flagging |
| [04:17:04] | [R]: | omg it makes me so happy |
| [04:17:10] | [R]: | i'm 1 minute behind the future |
| [04:17:14] | [R]: | and its already been flagged |
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| [05:03:29] | luckyone: | hello all – trying to setup a new install, wondering what to put in the Capture Card Setup for my HVR-2250. Any ideas? |
| [05:04:17] | iamlindoro: | luckyone, As the analog side of the card has no support in linux, you will want to set it up as two DVB card types |
| [05:04:48] | iamlindoro: | also, hopefully you have already made sure the card is working in linux before attempting a myth install, as that particular card requires most to compile their own driver |
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| [05:07:53] | luckyone: | iamlindoro: I did not test it... I can reconfigure this stuff after the fact though, right? |
| [05:08:14] | luckyone: | how would I determine the DVB number? |
| [05:08:23] | iamlindoro: | Is it the only tuner card in your system? |
| [05:08:28] | luckyone: | yes |
| [05:08:36] | iamlindoro: | Then it will be the only two DVB devices |
| [05:08:39] | iamlindoro: | 0 and 1, presumably |
| [05:08:48] | iamlindoro: | if it is not able to probe those devices, then your card is not set up |
| [05:08:49] | luckyone: | should it see somethign? |
| [05:09:24] | iamlindoro: | more specifically, if you did not compile your driver, find the firmware, and dump it in the right directory, there is little chance the card will be working |
| [05:09:27] | luckyone: | when I am on DVB, I don't get the failed to probe stuff |
| [05:09:33] | iamlindoro: | Then your card is not set up |
| [05:10:21] | iamlindoro: | http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?page_id=17 |
| [05:10:44] | iamlindoro: | You will likely want to follow some variation on those instructions, adjusted for your distro, until you have two DVB nodes, then you will be ready to start with Myth |
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| [05:14:22] | luckyone: | I feel foolish – I read the part on the mythtv wiki about this card 'being the gold standard' |
| [05:14:40] | iamlindoro: | Gold standard for unfinished drivers, maybe |
| [05:15:16] | luckyone: | iamlindoro: haha! so can I just not configure capture of schedules yet? do it later after I get the driver running? |
| [05:15:41] | iamlindoro: | You shouldn't attempt to go any further with myth until you have a working capture device |
| [05:16:05] | iamlindoro: | the steps in setup are numbered because they rely on all those before being completed properly to work |
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| [05:20:51] | luckyone: | I can't reconfigure after the fact? |
| [05:21:12] | iamlindoro: | Again, you can, but why intentionally create a broken configuration that you have to fix? |
| [05:21:54] | luckyone: | because I need to get out of the live cd, get my wireless working so I can download/build the driver |
| [05:22:13] | iamlindoro: | You shouldn't perform any configuration at all in a live CD |
| [05:22:18] | iamlindoro: | just do the install and do all of mythtv-setup later |
| [05:22:37] | iamlindoro: | you don't need to run it to finish the install of the distro itself |
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| [05:23:21] | luckyone: | well, for mythbuntu you do |
| [05:23:29] | iamlindoro: | that is not the case |
| [05:23:34] | luckyone: | really? |
| [05:23:42] | iamlindoro: | once the distro itself is installed, you are done |
| [05:23:59] | iamlindoro: | you can *optionally* run mythtv-setup while in the liveCD, but it is not required |
| [05:24:04] | luckyone: | it prompted me to go through myth setu |
| [05:24:13] | luckyone: | ahh – optionally |
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| [05:35:46] | luckyone: | iamlindoro: thanks for the replies. I am going to call it a night so I can hit it up tomorrow |
| [05:36:04] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [05:36:31] | luckyone: | iamlindoro: as far as that driver goes, do you know how active the development on it has been? |
| [05:37:19] | iamlindoro: | fairly active |
| [05:37:34] | iamlindoro: | though I wouldn't go expecting analog support any time soon |
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| [05:40:13] | luckyone: | should I just sell it? I think TWC only sends me 2 shopping networks and a weather channel in Clear-QAM |
| [05:40:42] | wagnerrp: | and all the local broadcast channels |
| [05:40:50] | iamlindoro: | ClearQAM is all you're going to get with it, but you should at least get network TV |
| [05:40:58] | iamlindoro: | ^^ |
| [05:41:30] | wagnerrp: | if they dont, you need to file a complaint with the FCC |
| [05:41:35] | luckyone: | ATSC – that is 'digital cable' |
| [05:41:44] | wagnerrp: | QAM == digital cable |
| [05:41:51] | wagnerrp: | ATSC == digital broadcast |
| [05:42:20] | luckyone: | I think there might be alot of that... I think the LCD tv's I have only have ATSC/QAM tuners in them |
| [05:42:45] | luckyone: | but, I dont' really know my ass from my elbow in this space... |
| [05:43:14] | luckyone: | yeah – pretty sure TWC doesn't send me ABC/CBS/NBC in clear QAM |
| [05:43:22] | wagnerrp: | they must |
| [05:43:34] | iamlindoro: | and if not, you can get the FCC to force them to |
| [05:44:16] | luckyone: | they are reall f-ers |
| [05:44:39] | luckyone: | y'all are a great group... talk to you tomorrow |
| [05:44:54] | luckyone: | thanks for all the help! |
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| [06:23:49] | zuixro: | I'm using a Hauppauge PVR-500, and all channels below 7 have terrible quality. I've tried turning up the capture resolution, but it hasn't helped. (that was a suggestion I read) I've changed out cable and it got a little better, but it's almost unwatchable. Other TV's in the house have the channel perfectly clear. Any ideas? |
| [06:28:18] | Dagmar: | That would be a thing you first hook the coax directly up to a TV for, and when you see that it's still a mess, you call the cable company and tell them |
| [06:28:45] | Dagmar: | It's generally an issue with the coax between the distribution amp and your house/apt being messed up and letting noise in |
| [06:29:09] | Dagmar: | So to reiterate, hook _that_ cable up to a TV |
| [06:30:20] | zuixro: | I have tried all different configurations of cables and stuff |
| [06:30:28] | zuixro: | I changed out the splitter too |
| [06:31:04] | zuixro: | Those channels work fine on other TV's |
| [06:31:21] | Dagmar: | So unless you've got four or more splits, your issue is weak signal |
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| [06:31:54] | zuixro: | It's just split once, to go to both inputs |
| [06:32:10] | nutron: | zuixro: you didn't state if you hauled a tv to the cable connection at your pvr 500 and tested it. |
| [06:32:57] | zuixro: | I don't have another TV handy at this moment, but I know that another TV on this same cable jack (a few weeks ago) worked fine |
| [06:33:09] | Dagmar: | I'll put it another way |
| [06:33:14] | Dagmar: | There's nothing _we_ can do about it |
| [06:33:18] | Dagmar: | It's hardware. It's on your end. |
| [06:33:32] | Dagmar: | There's nothing you can "set" or "change" in a PVR-500 to make channels 2–6 come in more clearly |
| [06:33:43] | zuixro: | Ok, I was just checking |
| [06:34:06] | Tanthrix: | zuixro: I've heard issues about PVR-500s having problems due to the internal splitter. IE, one tuner works a bit better than the other. If you were already on the edge of poor signal, that might push you over it. |
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| [06:34:16] | Dagmar: | Exactly, weak signal. |
| [06:34:38] | Dagmar: | The lowest channels generally suffer the most degradation due to noise in the line from improper shielding. |
| [06:34:50] | zuixro: | We had signal problems in this house once before, a few years ago. Cable company fixed it though |
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| [06:35:38] | Tanthrix: | zuixro: Have you tried both tuners on the 500? Are they both bad? |
| [06:36:45] | zuixro: | THey are both bad |
| [06:37:16] | Tanthrix: | zuixro: One other thing you could try as well would be to pick up a cable amp / powered splitter and install it right where the cable comes in from the street. |
| [06:37:27] | zuixro: | I just conducted a quick test, and I think it's week signal. I disconnected the splitter and connected 2 of the cables together, it looked fine |
| [06:37:30] | Tanthrix: | zuixro: I'm so far from the pole that I can't operate without one. |
| [06:37:35] | zuixro: | So It's a weak signal. |
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| [06:37:42] | Dagmar: | That's what I've been saying |
| [06:38:19] | Tanthrix: | zuixro: I'd be surprised that splitting would make it go from perfectly fine to basically unwatchable. Sure it's not a bad splitter / cable? |
| [06:38:47] | zuixro: | I've tried two different splitters tonight. I have one or two more laying around somewhere tha tI might try |
| [06:38:57] | nutron: | Dagmar: is being right all the time a curse? |
| [06:39:19] | Tanthrix: | nutron: I doubt he sleeps at night. |
| [06:39:48] | Tanthrix: | I know I don't! ;) |
| [06:39:49] | nutron: | zuixro: if you have time/funds search for an antronix splitter, you'll be happy you did. |
| [06:40:16] | zuixro: | That was my next question, if someone could recommend a splitter. Thanks |
| [06:40:52] | Tanthrix: | zuixro: I've always used the cheapie ones I got from the cable company without any sort of issue – I think a lot of that stuff is on par with audiophile level reasoning. The amped ones may be a different case entirely though.. |
| [06:41:22] | nutron: | antronix is affordable, and very good. |
| [06:41:36] | nutron: | No "monster cable" bs with that company. |
| [06:41:41] | Tanthrix: | zuixro: Do you live in the US? |
| [06:43:02] | zuixro: | Yes |
| [06:43:20] | Tanthrix: | zuixro: Last time I checked, Radioshack had a few cable amps. Not that I support shopgrifting, but you could buy one, stick it in, and see if it works then return it if it doesn't. |
| [06:43:59] | Tanthrix: | zuixro: They're probably pretty low quality, but it could help let you know if you were going in the right direction. |
| [06:45:23] | Tanthrix: | Interestingly, with my new myth system my AverTV A180 digital card is working perfectly. With my old system, I got damaged streams, audio blips, etc.. every minute or two. |
| [06:45:34] | zuixro: | I'll give it a try |
| [06:45:42] | Tanthrix: | I always figured it was because the signal strength was too low, but it may have just been a bad driver or something. |
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| [07:24:04] | wagnerrp: | this season of 24 is really going to bother me |
| [07:24:17] | wagnerrp: | its four-A-M |
| [07:24:25] | wagnerrp: | WTF are all these people doing up and around |
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| [07:26:55] | justinh: | wagnerrp: oh you'd be surprised. I got a night bus home from a nightclub once at 5am & the bus was half & half people going home & going to work |
| [07:27:20] | Casper0082: | wagnerrp: it was 4 pm, but there was enough in those two episodes to bother me |
| [07:28:01] | justinh: | I guess I won't find out til the new season hits DVD. It's on Sky over here :-( |
| [07:28:24] | justinh: | I'm not paying £30 a month just for '24' |
| [07:28:39] | justinh: | I'll pay £30 for a box set when it's all done ta |
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| [07:30:18] | wagnerrp: | i thought their clock was 24hr time |
| [07:30:47] | justinh: | I've never paid that much attention to the clock format |
| [07:32:18] | wagnerrp: | well if theyre not going to show the half, it *should* be 24 hours time |
| [07:33:27] | justinh: | I'd have assumed it was 24h format though, what with that being the format of choice for the kind of guy Jack is ;-) |
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| [07:36:56] | justinh: | I heard this season is going to be cranked back a few notches on the incredulity scale. Certainly hope so. The last couple ran away with themselves a bit |
| [07:39:10] | wagnerrp: | you mean the kind of guy who's half dead from a bio-engineered disease? |
| [07:39:29] | Dagmar: | They wont' tell you he's becoming an alien |
| [07:41:23] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, 4 *PM*-6 tonight |
| [07:41:36] | iamlindoro: | "24: Day 8: 4:00PM – 6:00PM" |
| [07:42:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, Casper0082 pointed that out |
| [07:42:05] | wagnerrp: | the clock threw me off |
| [07:42:09] | justinh: | whaaaa? Oh dear |
| [07:42:17] | wagnerrp: | i was expecting it to say 16:00, not 04:00 |
| [07:42:24] | iamlindoro: | whoops, didn't read far enough forward |
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| [07:42:57] | justinh: | right.. if something doesn't work well, rework the format, not the ideas. gerrrrr-reat |
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| [07:58:30] | hipitihop: | can someone help me enable MythGallery and MythVideo. I tick them in control center but after it goes through what appears to be an install without error, it leaves the plugins unticked and they do not appear on the frontend menu |
| [07:59:15] | wagnerrp: | 'control center' is a mythbuntu thing, you may have better luck in their channel |
| [08:00:34] | hipitihop: | wagnerrp, thanks I did try there ( a bit quiet there at the moment) but I didn't realise it was mythbuntu specific |
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| [10:04:44] | hipitihop: | wagnerrp, ok so far no answers frommythbuntu forum, so ignoring control-center, what log shoul dI check to see why the plugin activation/install is failing |
| [10:07:10] | oobe: | hipitihop, try installing them directly with apt-get |
| [10:07:14] | justinh: | it's entirely a distro related issue |
| [10:07:24] | justinh: | FA to do with mythtv itself IMHO |
| [10:07:35] | oobe: | if you get errors you will atleast find some more output that will help |
| [10:07:51] | justinh: | but fwiw, using apt directly is your best bet like oobe says |
| [10:11:26] | justinh: | might sound obvious but you'll also need to restart mythfrontend to see any changes when you install/remove plugins |
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| [10:31:50] | Tanthrix: | We need some flood protection bots in here to protect us from the GNAA trolls. |
| [10:31:59] | sid3windr: | gna |
| [10:32:00] | Tanthrix: | Just watched some in #ubuntu take out the trash! |
| [10:33:43] | hipitihop: | oobe: justinh ... strangely I ticked only MythVideo and it workd so the issue was obviously gallery related. anyway thanks for the tip re apt |
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| [10:46:15] | ** Dibblah likes the recommendation that "to prevent people from being sued for P2Ping, the authors of the apps should default to not sharing". ** | |
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| [10:46:47] | Dibblah: | Someone obviously has a cause and effect disconnect :) |
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| [12:37:02] | gbee: | just remove the sharing aspect entirely, problem solved |
| [12:38:44] | justinh: | I wish they'd come down harder on sharers but I doubt they'd ever redact the stupid DRM already in place |
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| [12:40:07] | justinh: | although the legal fees reported are way out of proportion anyway. Hey we lost $thinkofanumber because of you, give us money or else |
| [12:55:43] | justinh: | shudder. Glee enters the UK singles chart. |
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| [13:02:34] | gbee: | a bittorrent case recently collapsed in the UK, reported in The Register, the comments were pretty shocking, you'd get the impression that everyone thinks it's ok to steal (or in this case, to enable others to steal) |
| [13:03:10] | ** gbee is ashamed on behalf of his fellow man ** | |
| [13:04:20] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v GreyFoxx | |
| [13:04:22] | GreyFoxx: | What was the suit about? Someone hosting torrents or someone who was sharing the content ? |
| [13:05:41] | gbee: | someone running a torrent search site, forums etc |
| [13:06:00] | justinh: | oh yeah the bloke who was running a site to put sharers in touch with one another |
| [13:06:12] | justinh: | he offered access only to those who 'donated' |
| [13:06:18] | justinh: | i.e. donated money |
| [13:07:04] | justinh: | I know of at least one underground forum in the Uk where the admins/organisers have been put away for enabling cable theft |
| [13:07:21] | GreyFoxx: | I have no problem with the torrent sites, it's the people sharing the content that bother me :) |
| [13:07:36] | justinh: | and that, despite their cries of "this information is for educational purposes only" proving it's no defense :) |
| [13:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | If I stand on a street corner and point a sign to a drug house down the street where you can buy your drugs I don't think that should be illegal. However the dude selling the dope should be in jail :) |
| [13:08:38] | gbee: | his argument being that he wasn't actually sharing the content, so what he did wasn't illegal, in much the same way that a fence who doesn't actually steal the items or end up as the final owner isn't legally liable ... oh wait |
| [13:08:42] | GreyFoxx: | To me it's like the phone book. I tell you business names and contact info, it's not up to me to ensure they are not rotten bastards :) |
| [13:08:43] | justinh: | so using newsgroups is ok cos you're not sharing anything |
| [13:09:14] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: Yeah but the fence has to handle and sell the stolen goods |
| [13:09:20] | GreyFoxx: | not just tell you where to go buy them |
| [13:09:33] | justinh: | virginmedia are hypocritical. they're actually *hosting* the stuff on their own servers |
| [13:10:39] | bbigras: | it's weird, I'm trying to edit an episode and the final cutpoint is before the end of the video. Even if I reach it with the arrows key, it still plays past it but I can't move form frame beyond that and can't cut the useless end of the video. Any idea? |
| [13:11:25] | justinh: | bbigras: thought it should depend on the kind of movement step you have selected |
| [13:11:39] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: technically it might not be illegal to act as the middle man in illegal transactions on the internet, but it's very close to the line and morally bankrupt, akin to those people running underground forums for sharing stolen card numbers and bank details |
| [13:11:58] | justinh: | if you've set it to move to cutpoints, you can't move forwards or backwards past the start/end points :) |
| [13:12:25] | gbee: | at this point the argument that bittorrent has legal uses is moot, 99.99999% of bittorrent traffic is stolen goods |
| [13:12:30] | justinh: | gbee: wow, if the law starts going after 'immoral' we're in for a rough time |
| [13:12:58] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone notice that cut point always miss the first frame or 2 of a file? I did a cut the other day and the first 1 or 2 frames of the show were still there after being transcoded |
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| [13:13:19] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: That most is copyright material I certainly agree with |
| [13:13:20] | justinh: | I thought the cutpoints weren't inclusive |
| [13:13:32] | gbee: | justinh: hasn't the law always gone after immoral? and I don't mean immoral in the sense that the Christian right define it, but the dictionary definition |
| [13:13:53] | justinh: | yeah but it can be tenuous & could easily creep IMHO |
| [13:13:57] | antgel: | just tried to change channel from BBC HD to BBC1. logs full of "Waited too long for ringbuffer pause..", can't find any useful info on the web, how can i debug this further? sadly it's an intermittent occurrence |
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| [13:14:09] | antgel: | oh, and screen is frozen |
| [13:14:20] | gbee: | justinh: it implies otherwise, "Delete _before_ this frame", not "Delete this frame and all before it" |
| [13:14:27] | ** GreyFoxx wonders how to tell mplayer to use VDPAU for decoding this video ** | |
| [13:14:42] | bbigras: | justinh: if I use 'cut point' and move to the end and exit edit mode it still play. But I can't move forward with '1 keyframe' even if I know it's not the end |
| [13:14:50] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: knowing mplayer some long string of arguments |
| [13:14:51] | justinh: | gbee: maybe I've confused what it says & what I've experienced ;-) |
| [13:15:10] | justinh: | bbigras: maybe you found a bug |
| [13:15:16] | gbee: | bbigras: sounds like a corrupt seektable |
| [13:15:26] | justinh: | or that, which I was about to say |
| [13:15:44] | justinh: | corrupt but not so corrupt mythfrontend notices |
| [13:15:45] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: heh yeah |
| [13:16:25] | justinh: | maybe just full of junk but not actually corrupted... |
| [13:17:08] | bbigras: | justinh: gbee: thanks I'm checking http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable and I'll report back |
| [13:17:14] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh -vc ffh264vdpau |
| [13:17:16] | GreyFoxx: | much better |
| [13:17:36] | GreyFoxx: | now this ion box is using 5% of the CPU for playback rather than 100% and crying for mercy |
| [13:18:14] | gbee: | it's not uncommon in law to have a range of offences for facilitating crimes, or acting as a lookout etc, the law does recognise that it's possible to participate in a crime without being the primary offender, present at the scene |
| [13:20:50] | gbee: | arguably they never would have prosecuted the guy if he didn't charge for the service, i.e. he both facilitated and profited from crime |
| [13:26:20] | justinh: | gbee: having seen many reviews of media player junk El Reg do, it seems the site in general takes a view that downloaded media is ok |
| [13:26:30] | gbee: | if a disgruntled bank employee who unlocks the back door for robbers to enter can be prosecuted, even if he doesn't take a share of the money, then why not the guy who runs a website for the sole purpose of illegally trading in copyright material – anyway, that's my take on it |
| [13:30:34] | justinh: | they were only doing that bloke for fraud anyway, not facilitating sharing |
| [13:31:07] | gbee: | yeah, they did pick the wrong charge, fraud it was not |
| [13:31:28] | AndyCap: | at least in this country if being an accomplice is criminal it is spelled out in the law. |
| [13:31:32] | gbee: | in the early days, napster and limewire, I did download some music, not too proud of it in retrospect but then there weren't legal alternatives to buy just the good parts of a crappy album |
| [13:31:58] | justinh: | my wife's friend's kids, and plenty I know of all happily download whatever they like, as if it's perfectly reasonable |
| [13:32:13] | justinh: | to them, it's all free software, free OSes, free music, free video. Woohoo |
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| [13:32:48] | justinh: | some of them are hitting usage caps on a regular basis. That's a hell of a lot of 'dunno, just coz it's there innit' |
| [13:33:21] | gbee: | what really bothers me most is those who try to justify it, they aren't doing wrong, the evil artists/labels/MPAA deserve it |
| [13:33:43] | Dibblah: | It's not stealing, because My Dictionary Says So. |
| [13:33:44] | justinh: | yeah I agree with that |
| [13:33:52] | ivor: | justinh: I was always amazed at the attitude of some of my co-workers on the subject. |
| [13:34:08] | justinh: | even software engineers do it |
| [13:34:29] | justinh: | you'd think they'd relate to the ethic somewhere along the line |
| [13:34:30] | gbee: | some labels and representative groups may be scummy, but it's not alright to shoplift from Tesco just because I dislike their corporate machine |
| [13:34:41] | justinh: | like uh.. if people pirated our product YOU could be out of your job :D |
| [13:35:29] | justinh: | any argument *for* piracy is, by itself.. useless & completely poor |
| [13:35:52] | gbee: | the labels take too much of the artists money, therefore it's OK to deny artists any money at all ... wtf? |
| [13:35:56] | justinh: | the best they can come up with is "muh, there's no other way to get this".. and then the answer should still be "tough" |
| [13:36:29] | gbee: | point is, there is _always_ another _legal_ way in this age |
| [13:36:40] | justinh: | and fwiw I may have been tempted to grab the latest $USA_series before it airs over here but not now |
| [13:37:12] | gbee: | want to watch the latest episodes of Battlestar Galactica? Then watch it when it's shown on TV, or buy the DVD, or watch it on Hulu etc |
| [13:37:36] | justinh: | cant be bothered with online ondemand stuff yet |
| [13:38:18] | AndyCap: | gbee: no. There should always be another legal way to get it, but there isn't. |
| [13:38:27] | gbee: | I can understand being impatient, upto a point, all these things are going to end up available on TV in the UK or on DVD in a few months anyway |
| [13:38:28] | justinh: | and not even 24, which I really liked in the past, is worth paying out for a Sky sub |
| [13:38:41] | gbee: | AndyCap: example? |
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| [13:38:59] | justinh: | gbee: e.g. the new episodes of Chuck & 24 |
| [13:39:22] | AndyCap: | E-ring, Whoops Apocalypse, region controls on sale of satellite subscriptions, Two guys and a girl. |
| [13:39:23] | justinh: | no legal way for us in the UK to get Chuck Season 3 |
| [13:39:33] | stuarta: | waiting is legal :) |
| [13:39:49] | justinh: | if it's even worth waiting for |
| [13:40:08] | stuarta: | series 2 was good |
| [13:40:30] | justinh: | just need ofcom to deregulate media ownership some more & maybe we'll have more simultaneous airings |
| [13:40:47] | justinh: | series 2 was very good. hence the impatience ;-) |
| [13:40:59] | AndyCap: | gbee: satellite spans the whole of europe and has for decades yet content owners are so shortsighted as to negotiate licensing pr country instead of pr paying viewer. |
| [13:41:21] | justinh: | are subscriber models very different per company, though? |
| [13:41:55] | justinh: | I wouldn't mind, if multichannel packs gave me more choice. Like say gimme Sky One, but leave the other junk I don't want :-) |
| [13:42:10] | AndyCap: | justinh: hahah. be careful what you wish for, you might get it. |
| [13:42:17] | gbee: | http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/3321228/Whoops . . . Product.html |
| [13:42:45] | gbee: | http://www.play.com/DVD/Region_1/4-/2547713/T . . . ice&fb=0 |
| [13:43:02] | justinh: | AndyCap: oh I'm under no illusion it won't happen, to the detriment of broadcasting |
| [13:43:24] | gbee: | AndyCap: you might have me on E-Ring, apparently it performed so badly that it's not worth releasing on DVD |
| [13:43:32] | AndyCap: | gbee: haha. 20 years later |
| [13:43:58] | AndyCap: | gbee: and it's not released yet. |
| [13:44:32] | AndyCap: | Two guys and a girl was impossible to find when I was searching for it, except for some dodgy looking pirate dvd seller. |
| [13:45:13] | AndyCap: | gbee: well. or NBC co**ed it up. |
| [13:45:16] | justinh: | gbee: on the other hand, what *really* grinds my gears is the fact that what should be bloody *civil* proceedings are treated as otherwise |
| [13:47:42] | justinh: | anyhoo, it'll be nice if we could all just watch what we wanted, when we wanted, where we wanted & only have to worry about paying for what we use (if applicable) |
| [13:47:47] | AndyCap: | gbee: Hahaha, fail. wrong show. that is probably some pr0n or something. |
| [13:47:54] | AndyCap: | didn't notice until now. |
| [13:48:35] | ** justinh has not-so-high-hopes for IPTV on VirginMedia ** | |
| [13:48:44] | gbee: | AndyCap: ? http://www.play.com/DVD/Region_1/4-/11416945/ . . . ice&fb=0 |
| [13:49:01] | gbee: | or http://www.play.com/DVD/Region_1/4-/101765/Tw . . . Product.html |
| [13:49:09] | AndyCap: | or a comedy with robert downey jr. rating 5.6 on imdb. :P |
| [13:49:29] | gbee: | heh |
| [13:49:36] | bbigras: | I ran 'mythcommflag --file <filepath> --rebuild' and now the frontend crash when I try to edit the video. 'ASSERT failure in QReadWriteLock::unlock(): "Cannot unlock an unlocked lock", file /home/bruno/kdeqt/4.6/src/qt/qt/src/corelib/thread/qreadwritelock.cpp, line 405'. I wonder why it seems to use my own Qt build |
| [13:49:47] | AndyCap: | gbee: I'm meant this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Guys_and_a_Girl |
| [13:49:58] | AndyCap: | Heh: "Not to be confused with Two Girls and a Guy." |
| [13:50:02] | AndyCap: | well. I just did. :P |
| [13:50:25] | gbee: | two girls and a guy sounds more interesting |
| [13:50:36] | AndyCap: | harr harr. |
| [13:50:39] | ** stuarta chuckles ** | |
| [13:51:06] | justinh: | two girls and a ... nother girl sounds even more interesting |
| [13:51:15] | ivor: | I think I've got that here somewhere.... |
| [13:51:16] | justinh: | and so on & so on |
| [13:51:19] | AndyCap: | justinh: where does that leave you? |
| [13:51:23] | bbigras: | I thought it was 'and a cup' |
| [13:51:25] | justinh: | AndyCap: watching |
| [13:51:32] | AndyCap: | justinh: the creepy guy on the ladder? |
| [13:51:44] | justinh: | holding on with the free hand? yup |
| [13:54:22] | justinh: | anyway if it's DVDs we're talking about what would *I* be doing on a DVD? Hmmm? |
| [13:56:02] | AndyCap: | Heh, google has a warning for adult material on google groups but not search. |
| [13:56:14] | AndyCap: | the whole internet should have a warning. |
| [13:57:58] | justinh: | I thought it did, by association |
| [13:58:44] | justinh: | people talk about the net being like the Wild West in the past.. heh IMHO it's more like the Wild West now than any other time in history |
| [13:59:02] | justinh: | only with less law enforcement |
| [13:59:21] | justinh: | maybe the high seas would be a better analogy |
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| [14:02:39] | AndyCap: | Aden? |
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| [14:46:37] | dherde_: | I am experiencing that when I try to play a dvd in mythTV that the opening green screen clip will play then it ends and I can't get anything else to play. Can someone help me out? |
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| [14:54:14] | dherde_: | Oh well. guess not.. have a good day.. |
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| [15:02:59] | ivor: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . rch_type=AND |
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| [15:50:52] | TauPan: | hi |
| [15:51:36] | TauPan: | I wonder if I should send my hvr-1300 back... it doesn't look like it will work soon |
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| [15:56:32] | gbee: | heh, France has followed Germany, MS Europe must be having fits |
| [16:00:45] | stuarta: | eh? |
| [16:00:58] | stuarta: | someone start WW3 while i wasn't looking? |
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| [16:07:22] | gbee: | stuarta: both countries have told their citizens to stop using Internet Explorer |
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| [16:08:37] | stuarta: | \o/ |
| [16:09:34] | TauPan: | well, the german institution told the citizens to temporarily use a different browser until the hole is closed |
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| [16:10:38] | TauPan: | but guess how many will stay with firefox or opera after trying it out ;) |
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| [17:37:19] | drocd: | wondering if anyone has used myth tv with bell-expressvu in canada |
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| [17:47:49] | orogor: | hi here |
| [17:48:01] | orogor: | anyone has any experience with tmdb.pl ? |
| [17:48:14] | orogor: | i remember using it to get the poster, but i can t get it do do anything now |
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| [18:13:40] | wagnerrp: | orogor: what specifically is the problem? |
| [18:14:11] | wagnerrp: | and what movie are you searching for? |
| [18:15:03] | orogor: | haa, wel i did resinstall mythtv a few months ago , and i cant remember how i did to get dvd covers, casts, abd stuff like that |
| [18:15:30] | orogor: | as i remember there were a sscript that could pull everything from imdb or tmdb , even with very badly named video files |
| [18:15:43] | wagnerrp: | press 'w' |
| [18:16:01] | orogor: | well for all of them at once ? |
| [18:16:03] | iamlindoro: | though files will still need to be named sanely |
| [18:16:32] | wagnerrp: | how many do you need to pull? |
| [18:16:48] | orogor: | maybe 300 |
| [18:17:15] | wagnerrp: | probably faster to just hit 'w' on all of them |
| [18:17:40] | wagnerrp: | once the status bar is done, you can move onto the next |
| [18:17:41] | orogor: | well 500 something |
| [18:17:46] | wagnerrp: | you dont have to wait for it to refresh |
| [18:17:58] | wagnerrp: | bulk updating is done through JAMU |
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| [18:18:09] | wagnerrp: | and takes a bit of time to set up and figure out if youve never used it before |
| [18:18:25] | orogor: | yeah , i am reading about jamu right now |
| [18:19:06] | orogor: | sounds stupid, but does it create a cover.jpg file with the dvd cover in each movie folder? |
| [18:19:18] | wagnerrp: | those are stored separately |
| [18:19:22] | wagnerrp: | in a folder you define |
| [18:19:25] | orogor: | :/ |
| [18:20:34] | wagnerrp: | defined by the 'VideoArtworkDir' setting for local videos, or the Coverart storage group for SG videos |
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| [18:34:34] | iamlindoro: | great |
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| [18:36:42] | wagnerrp: | guess that means we cant go to him for help |
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| [18:37:01] | iamlindoro: | guess not, but at least we know exactly why he's not answering our pleas |
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| [18:43:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Gee, I'm just getting caught up on the -users list... seems like I've got to fire up my trunk box and bring it up-to-date to see all the awesome work you guys have been doing on MNV... ;-) |
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| [18:44:01] | okolsi: | iamlindoro: i'd need to 'fixup' URLs that a RSS feed returns to MNV.. are you planning any such feature or should RSS feeds work as is? |
| [18:44:25] | iamlindoro: | The grabber should return usable data according to the grabber spec |
| [18:44:45] | iamlindoro: | meaning I won't ever have the plugin doing data fixup |
| [18:45:16] | okolsi: | okay.. so the 'right' way to fixup RSS feed.. is to fetch it through a grabber script which would do the fixup? |
| [18:45:58] | iamlindoro: | If it's just one RSS feed, you can simply subscribe to the feed in the plugin-- if you are stitching many together/reorganizing them, yes, you'd write a grabber script that formatted and massaged the data as necessary |
| [18:46:57] | okolsi: | k.. one of the local national tv sites just returns the URLs in RSS feed as a link to the page, not to a full screen player.. it would be an easy 'static' fixup to all of the urls |
| [18:47:13] | okolsi: | have to do that when i'll have more time.. |
| [18:47:47] | iamlindoro: | yeah, sounds a lot like some of what we do in other grabbers |
| [18:47:54] | okolsi: | okay :) |
| [18:49:10] | stuartm: | to do fixups in the plugin itself would be unmanageable, keeping that sort of thing in the grabbers is really why we have grabber _scripts_ in the first place, they can be updated regularly without recompiling or new releases of myth |
| [18:50:17] | okolsi: | that's true.. although for me in the short term it would probably be quicker to hack an update SQL command into the plugin and not to lear Python :D (but I really get the point) |
| [18:50:28] | stuartm: | if I can ever get it organised, we'll eventually allow those scripts to be hosted on mythtv.org, with the ability to search, download, install and auto-update to the latest versions |
| [18:51:09] | okolsi: | this gets even better and better all the time.. at least there are lots of nice possibilities! |
| [18:51:34] | stuartm: | script for superdupertude becomes available after 0.23 and 0.24 months away? No problem, since you'll be able to select/install it with a couple of button presses |
| [18:52:09] | stuartm: | tude was supposed to be tube, but since I made up the name it's probably not important |
| [18:53:15] | wagnerrp: | im waiting to see how long it takes for someone to write grabbers for the various youtube porn clones |
| [18:53:35] | iamlindoro: | To be perfectly honest, I would be happy to see said grabbers |
| [18:53:58] | iamlindoro: | not because of any porn addiction, but because I think the more diverse the "programming," the more people will work on the plugin/improve it/expand it |
| [18:54:28] | iamlindoro: | I want to see children's programming grabbers (Does nickeloadeon/PBS has something we could use?), adult stuff, Comedy Central, etc. |
| [18:54:30] | AndyCap: | Hmm, time to whip the national broadcaster until they finish up their api |
| [18:54:33] | iamlindoro: | er Nickelodeon |
| [18:54:54] | okolsi: | if no one beats me.. once our home repairings are done (some months), I'll write the Finnish national tv grabber script |
| [18:55:07] | iamlindoro: | We already have someone nearly done with Swedish National TV |
| [18:55:08] | stuartm: | and lots of multi-national stuff |
| [18:55:33] | okolsi: | the RSS method works.. but with the full screen player it would be much better |
| [18:55:41] | iamlindoro: | In fact, his grabber already works great, and their "iPlayer-like" service is quite good, just needs a couple tweaks |
| [18:55:59] | iamlindoro: | and same situation, just needs some minor URL massaging to return fullscreen playback |
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| [18:56:24] | stuartm: | that's given me an idea, iamlindoro can the scripts report the countries that the services are restricted to? That would let us auto-hide those which simply won't work |
| [18:56:34] | okolsi: | Finnish national stuff is limited to local users, at least something like that is mentioned in the web-site. the quality is good |
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| [18:56:44] | iamlindoro: | At some point I'd also like to do something similar to what boxee does, which is to serve up a javascript wrapper to wrap the individual player controls in global bindings |
| [18:57:10] | stuartm: | save hundreds of "Hulu isn't working for me in Germany" type posts |
| [18:57:19] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Could expands what's returned by the capability query, right now it just returns the views it's capable of producing and the name |
| [18:57:25] | iamlindoro: | s/expands/expand/ |
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| [18:58:34] | stuartm: | I think it would be good idea, if I pull my finger out and re-write the language selection stuff into a locale selection instead then we'll know where a user is situated and can tailor the list accordingly |
| [18:58:50] | stuartm: | location/language would both be useful |
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| [18:59:15] | iamlindoro: | I already support the language tag in the grabber specs, though I'm not really doing anything besides parsing it |
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| [18:59:57] | iamlindoro: | There's literally dozens of tags that parse properly now but I was too lazy to work into the ResultVideo object, figuring I could add critical ones as I exposed the functionality |
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| [19:00:08] | AndyCap: | as long as you know why you have location/language and don't confound them |
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| [19:00:27] | stuartm: | right, thinking youtube, so instead of youtube in english you get it in German, Spanish if available (maybe even different source sites based on location, youtube.de instead of .com) |
| [19:00:33] | iamlindoro: | location wouldn't be a function of the returned results, it would be returned by the grabber capability check |
| [19:00:56] | iamlindoro: | hmm, yeah, that would probably be doable |
| [19:01:42] | iamlindoro: | Realistically there is just a ton more it could be doing, I just wanted to get something working and out there |
| [19:02:11] | stuartm: | you've achieved loads :) |
| [19:02:15] | iamlindoro: | Also, there's something to be said for gradually working as much of this as possible into the core rather than a plugin, both for convenience and functionality |
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| [19:02:59] | iamlindoro: | thanks :) |
| [19:03:07] | wagnerrp: | any idea what this '0.22.2' is under the 'Question about /storage' on -users? |
| [19:03:24] | iamlindoro: | It's easy having spent a few months looking at it to only see the parts I consider major flaws |
| [19:03:48] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Suspect it's a minor number appended by packager |
| [19:03:56] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Fedora/Mythdora maybe? |
| [19:04:02] | stuartm: | give them a slap |
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| [19:05:50] | kormoc: | or rather, he's just so used to running a point release, he invents them? |
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| [19:08:30] | ** iamlindoro fires up MythTV 0.23.eleventymillion ** | |
| [19:09:15] | superm1: | iamlindoro, we don't append anything for mythbuntu builds |
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| [19:09:49] | iamlindoro: | superm1: Wasn't casting aspersions, I just happened to recalle that some RPM-based distro uses single-number minor version numbers on our stuff |
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| [19:10:09] | iamlindoro: | s/recalle/recall/ |
| [19:10:20] | iamlindoro: | Might even be SuSE |
| [19:10:39] | superm1: | that sounds very fishy. i think that packager needs a firm kick to stop doing that if so |
| [19:10:44] | superm1: | it just causes more confusion |
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| [19:11:02] | kormoc: | "I'm running 0.22.0.0.2" |
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| [19:11:17] | iamlindoro: | Well as random, angry, rude private e-mails from last night proves, SuSE is calling something that is most definitely .21 "0.22" |
| [19:11:50] | iamlindoro: | And that was after I actually responded to the guy's discussion on the ticket once! |
| [19:12:12] | iamlindoro: | then he writes another novel to the ticket, I lock it, ask politely for him to ask on the users list, and I get the angry e-mails... |
| [19:12:25] | wagnerrp: | well of course |
| [19:12:27] | kormoc: | Yeah? Don't you understand OSS yet? |
| [19:12:27] | wagnerrp: | the ticket was locked |
| [19:12:28] | newbie005: | hi, I've resized the screen using the two little white corners in mythfrontend, it worked the screen is smaller. However now I'd like it to go back to the original full screen, How can I do this? |
| [19:12:31] | wagnerrp: | he couldnt rant on trac |
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| [19:12:47] | iamlindoro: | yup, think that's what set him off |
| [19:12:54] | stuartm: | newbie005: Menu > Reset |
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| [19:13:42] | newbie005: | stuartm: if I hit m I get a menu but there is no reset option |
| [19:13:46] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: anything amusing or just twiddle? |
| [19:13:49] | wagnerrp: | im wondering whats with the guy excited over moving his backend to a quad P4 Xeon |
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| [19:14:13] | stuartm: | newbie005: it's there somewhere, but I can't check where just now |
| [19:14:17] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: I responded to the users list: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /278351.html |
| [19:14:35] | wagnerrp: | outclassed by any cheapo $400 C2D system |
| [19:14:39] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: And after further examining the ticket, he's not even running .22 as he claims |
| [19:14:46] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: His private e-mail is quoted there |
| [19:14:50] | ** stuartm just started the MNV initial fetch, forgetting that it takes ages ** | |
| [19:15:11] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: You can set mythnetvision.backgroundfetch to 1 if you like |
| [19:15:27] | iamlindoro: | No setting for it yet, but it will work a la MythWeather, 24 hours by default |
| [19:15:38] | iamlindoro: | (and on frontend startup) |
| [19:16:12] | wagnerrp: | you just have a default poll time for that? |
| [19:16:13] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: thanks, killed the frontend and restarted with that |
| [19:16:25] | ** iamlindoro hopes he got the setting name right ** | |
| [19:16:42] | wagnerrp: | i know mythweather has a separate command to ask the grabber how often to poll |
| [19:16:47] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: It's on a QTimer-- pretty much set up almost exactly like MythWeather's equivalent |
| [19:16:57] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, with MNV it's just one global timer |
| [19:17:21] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Just check logs to make sure it's doing upates, but that should be it |
| [19:17:55] | stuartm: | newbie005: "Reset Changes and Quit" |
| [19:18:06] | stuartm: | it's there, top menu option |
| [19:18:22] | kisak: | mythbackend has been screaming "No more queue slots!" about 800 times a second into the log for the last 14 hours |
| [19:18:43] | iamlindoro: | kisak: killall mythtranscode |
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| [19:19:13] | wagnerrp: | must be a massive log file |
| [19:19:16] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o iamlindoro | |
| [19:19:20] | wagnerrp: | hope you have rotation on that |
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| [19:19:34] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: nothing in the logs |
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| [19:19:55] | kisak: | wagnerrp: it'll compress well |
| [19:20:50] | newbie005: | I guess the real problem is that, the GNOME menus are still showing |
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| [19:21:12] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: anything? |
| [19:21:20] | newbie005: | I can resize it to be a good fix, but i always see the Application menu at the top and taskbar at the bottom |
| [19:21:32] | newbie005: | *good fit |
| [19:21:40] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: aww, he was just being a twat |
| [19:21:43] | Dibblah: | skd5aner: Are you registered with nickserv? |
| [19:22:02] | newbie005: | it's not On-Top or it's not hiding gnome |
| [19:22:07] | stuartm: | ah, guess someone toggled +R |
| [19:22:12] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o janneg_ | |
| [19:22:15] | stuartm: | skd5aner: register with nickserv |
| [19:22:33] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o stuartm | |
| [19:22:34] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, think I recall a global message that everyone should set +R (though I did not) |
| [19:22:43] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o iamlindoro | |
| [19:22:52] | janneg_: | maybe freenode staff due to the javascript spam |
| [19:22:54] | stuartm: | we talked about it yesterday, but I didn't do it in the end, I guess someone else did |
| [19:23:16] | kormoc: | Channel #mythtv-users modes: +tncR |
| [19:23:17] | stuartm: | janneg_: if that were the case it would have been set on #mythtv too |
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| [19:23:30] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Heh, I wasn't banning him, just toggling quiet to see if it helped |
| [19:23:58] | kormoc: | stuartm: so just turn it off |
| [19:24:13] | Dibblah: | I wouldn't do that :) |
| [19:24:25] | stuartm: | kormoc: I will just as soon as I've read the documentation and know how :) |
| [19:24:25] | wagnerrp: | here we go... 'Mode for #mythtv-users by kloeri: +R' |
| [19:24:27] | Dibblah: | There is quite a volume of the spam going on in non +R channels. |
| [19:24:38] | Mode for #mythtv-users by stuartm!n=gbee@cpc1-derb9-0-0-cust657.leic.cable.ntl.com : -R | |
| [19:24:44] | wagnerrp: | last night at 23:01, beirdo time |
| [19:24:45] | skd5aner: | test |
| [19:24:50] | stuartm: | or I could just do it the old fashioned way |
| [19:24:51] | iamlindoro: | icles |
| [19:25:04] | kormoc: | ies |
| [19:25:05] | skd5aner: | <verizon guy voice>Can you hear me now?</verizon guy voice> |
| [19:25:15] | kormoc: | skd5aner: nope |
| [19:25:18] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [19:25:21] | ** wagnerrp gets a knife ** | |
| [19:25:25] | stuartm: | in that case I'll re-instate it |
| [19:25:34] | Mode for #mythtv-users by stuartm!n=gbee@cpc1-derb9-0-0-cust657.leic.cable.ntl.com : +R | |
| [19:25:48] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:26:00] | Beirdo: | good thing I registered the bot |
| [19:27:15] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: 23155 added the threaded/background update in, and the setting is mythnetvision.backgroundFetch |
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| [19:27:46] | iamlindoro: | I tested it at home, but have the setting off right now |
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| [19:28:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | hey Beirdo ... ;-) |
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| [19:31:15] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: well still not doing anything, at least not at my current logging level, I'll investigate later if I have time |
| [19:31:25] | stuartm: | I see to be saying that a lot lately |
| [19:31:29] | stuartm: | seem |
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| [19:32:27] | iamlindoro: | heh... Think it's set to "important" for at least the start/stop of grabbing |
| [19:32:31] | iamlindoro: | so you ought to see it |
| [19:32:47] | iamlindoro: | but you can also just do a ps aux |grep python |
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| [19:34:28] | skd5aner: | ok – looks like I'm registered now, should be kosher |
| [19:34:42] | skd5aner: | coming through ok now? |
| [19:35:11] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [19:35:35] | skd5aner: | alright – thanks again for the pointers :) |
| [19:36:19] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: one of the Qs I was trying to ask earlier, was if there were any capabilities (or plans) to support parental controls for sources within MNV? |
| [19:36:42] | iamlindoro: | No plans thus far |
| [19:36:52] | skd5aner: | this was during the "kids streams vs porn streams" conversation earlier :) |
| [19:37:02] | iamlindoro: | That's a luxury feature, and if it comes, it's way, way off |
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| [19:37:27] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: just delete those grabbers if they ever become available |
| [19:37:39] | skd5aner: | yea |
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| [19:38:08] | wagnerrp: | make the directory read-only if stuartm's plan for auto-downloading grabbers becomes reality |
| [19:39:03] | wagnerrp: | although looking through the tables, it seems the scans are available globally? |
| [19:39:08] | wagnerrp: | so if any machine has access, they all do |
| [19:39:23] | iamlindoro: | scans? |
| [19:39:29] | wagnerrp: | tree indexing |
| [19:39:46] | iamlindoro: | the items themselves are available globally, but you'd still have to subscribe to the tree on a per-frontend basis |
| [19:40:05] | wagnerrp: | ah, which is only available if the grabber is available on that machine |
| [19:40:11] | iamlindoro: | meaning you could have "dads big tree of porn" on the bedroom computer, and not on the kid's |
| [19:40:30] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [19:41:44] | stuartm: | be nice in future for it to be per-user, so your selection follows you around from one frontend to another |
| [19:42:10] | stuartm: | of course that involves the fabled multi-user support |
| [19:42:15] | iamlindoro: | When we have any concept of users, sure :) |
| [19:42:33] | stuartm: | which would be so easy to implement, but never seems to happen :( |
| [19:42:35] | wagnerrp: | been cooking for almost four years now |
| [19:43:09] | stuartm: | CREATE TABLE users ... and you are on the way |
| [19:43:20] | iamlindoro: | hahaha |
| [19:43:31] | iamlindoro: | that's like saying #include <QString> and you're on your way to a plugin |
| [19:43:33] | wagnerrp: | should apply for a GSoC grant |
| [19:44:09] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: Been there, done that, didn't even get a lousy tshirt |
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| [19:48:23] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: it actually isn't much more difficult than that to put in place the architecture upon which everything else hangs, you create a globally available user class reading/writing into that table, create a permissions table linking the user to screen/plugin defined categories, each screen which leverages it queries the object for the current permission/username and sets new permission via that |
| [19:49:12] | stuartm: | it shouldn't have to be completed overnight, e.g. the first hurdle is just to write that part, then gradually hook in things to use it |
| [19:49:21] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [19:49:52] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, weather.com is using flash just to display an animated weather icon |
| [19:49:57] | wagnerrp: | might be a good time to do such a thing during the recording structure rewrite |
| [19:49:58] | stuartm: | hell, I'll do it sometime in the next 6 months |
| [19:50:20] | iamlindoro: | that would make a ton of people happy |
| [19:51:31] | stuartm: | the mistake of the GSoC project, or most other attempts is to complete the move to multi-user in one go, in reality I expect it would occur in a dozen or more small steps, on a component by component basis |
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| [20:02:13] | klk: | so i have an old fe/be combo running Fedora 7 and myth 0.20. |
| [20:02:24] | klk: | i'm planning to upgrade to Fedora 12 and myth 0.22-fixes. |
| [20:02:33] | klk: | any big gotchas I should be aware of? |
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| [20:02:46] | kisak: | thank you iamlindoro for the quick help 40 minutes ago |
| [20:03:25] | stuartm: | klk: just backup your database because stuff happens, everything should go smoothly but murphy's law |
| [20:03:42] | kisak: | I wonder if I should bother xris with a mythweb issue |
| [20:03:53] | kisak: | (in my setup) |
| [20:04:20] | stuartm: | klk: oh, might be worth nothing now that the UI has changed, some things may be different and you may not like the changes because generally people don't like change, even when it's for the better |
| [20:04:37] | klk: | stuartm: do you think an in-place upgrade would be OK or should I do a complete reformat/reinstall of the OS partition |
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| [20:12:38] | kisak: | does anybody know if an enhancement ticket was made along the lines of a non-admin user privledge for mythweb? |
| [20:13:18] | iamlindoro: | don't think enhancement means what you think it means |
| [20:13:31] | kisak: | in other words, so that some mythweb users can log in and use mythweb, but they can't shot themselves in the foot |
| [20:13:38] | iamlindoro: | sounds like you are asking about a feature request, which we don't do-- enhancement tickets are for attached patches |
| [20:13:51] | kisak: | ah, I mispoke |
| [20:13:55] | iamlindoro: | However, if you have a patch to do so, feel free to open an enhancement ticket ;) |
| [20:14:03] | xris: | kisak: enhancement tickets without patches are closed. |
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| [20:14:53] | xris: | kisak: but since mythweb doesn't do its own authentication, it likely won't happen until the devs (me and/or kormoc) have time to design an entire auth system, which is unlikely in the forseeable future |
| [20:15:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | klk: I updated my frontends from FC8, and basically did a wipe on them. Otherwise it's a FC8->FC9 upgrade, then 9->10, etc... Can't jump directly to the latest with an upgrade unfortunately. |
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| [20:17:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | klk: I'm still running FC8 on my backend with 0.22-fixes. I will update to the latest FC when I buy new backend hardware. ;-) |
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| [20:18:33] | klk: | I'll probably just make a new partition to install F12 on so I can go back if I need to. |
| [20:20:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | klk: The way I 'like' to do my upgrades of my backend is to install the OS from scratch on a new HDD, then restore my DB to the new environment. (And moving the video drives over to the new system). I didn't do that this time as I didn't have the time and $$$ to buy new hardware. |
| [20:21:30] | ** iamlindoro got a rash of Russian mail order bride spam this weekend... weird ** | |
| [20:22:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: did you place an order? ;-) hehehehe |
| [20:22:34] | th1_: | iamlindoro, they stop bothering you when you bought a couple ;) |
| [20:22:50] | iamlindoro: | I have a strict no-moustache rule for my wives |
| [20:22:59] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs! ** | |
| [20:23:29] | kisak: | iamlindoro, xris: the take home message I should take away from that is that mythtv's trac is not used to chart long-term planning, just the tangible tasks that can be addressed (more or less) |
| [20:24:02] | iamlindoro: | kisak: That's more or less correct. We have tracking tickets that we open for ourselves on long-term projects, but generally don't accept "assignments" |
| [20:24:58] | stuartm: | xris: I'd not bother with a mythweb specific auth, at least if we implement multi-user stuff for mythtv then mythweb should use that |
| [20:24:58] | iamlindoro: | That doesn't prevent an enterprising user from coming up with a patch themselves-- it's quite encouraged, in fact |
| [20:27:29] | iamlindoro: | Starz has a Spartacus television series coming... could be really good, or horribly bad |
| [20:27:37] | iamlindoro: | I have a bad feeling it's going to be like a ROME knockoff |
| [20:28:44] | elg: | so when connecting an input to a video source, if I scan for channels and then fetch channels from listings, I seem to get channels added that I don't receive. In fact, the scan hung after channel 23 (some ivtv problem, seems to be a known issue) and yet I get channels all the way up including digital channels my pvr-150 has no hope of ever tuning. |
| [20:29:07] | elg: | should I not do the "fetch channels from listing source" thing? |
| [20:29:19] | iamlindoro: | elg: you scan (for digital sources) or fetch channels from listings (for analog), but not both |
| [20:29:40] | iamlindoro: | If you are doing analog/fetch channels, you should have pruned the lineup down to what you receive at schedules direct already |
| [20:31:20] | elg: | ok, cool. I also take it that I should keep a separate video source for digital (hdhomerun) and analog (pvr-150) although they are both comcast |
| [20:31:49] | iamlindoro: | Yes, two video sources should be fine for that |
| [20:32:13] | kisak: | odd ... it's possible I'm being affected by a ticket that was closed 3 months ago |
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| [20:35:34] | stuartm: | not that odd, unless you are using a version newer than that |
| [20:36:03] | kisak: | the problem was reported back with 0.20 |
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| [20:38:23] | sphery: | Heh, there's Trac hooks in our SVN repo to help with closing tickets, etc., and there's iamlindoro to help us /remember/ to close tickets, etc. :) |
| [20:38:45] | iamlindoro: | Gotta earn my keep somehow |
| [20:39:55] | stuartm: | I keep forgetting :( |
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| [20:40:57] | ** sphery sees that stuarta thinks I need to get busy on #7436 ** | |
| [20:41:37] | stuartm: | reverse cutdown next, just need to understand the existing logic and then flip it |
| [20:41:40] | sphery: | perhaps a job for today... and 2 completely non-functional DB schema updates |
| [20:42:14] | iamlindoro: | I had a reverse cutdown patch a few months ago, but I blew away the code accidentally somewhere in there... |
| [20:42:17] | iamlindoro: | :( |
| [20:43:00] | kisak: | anyway, it's occuring with (at least 2) recordings that mythtv 0.21 had recorded and mythtranscode --mpeg2 was used on them. These files are known to have broken indexes from this process and I'm seeing if 0.22 can heal the index, allowing for seeking to work reliably on these files |
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| [20:44:36] | kisak: | I don't intend to pursue reopening that ticket unless a new recording from 0.22 exhibits the same behavior |
| [20:44:42] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: no worries, it's not difficult, just requires me to engage brain and that's something I've not had to do for a while ;) |
| [20:44:50] | kisak: | (which is why I haven't linked the ticket) |
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| [20:48:55] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone ever have one of your PVR250's have no audio ? |
| [20:49:39] | GreyFoxx: | I've got 5 tuners in this machine (2 pvr250s, 2 pvr150's and 1 pvr350) and 1 of the 250's has stopped having any audio in the stream at all |
| [20:50:18] | klk: | GreyFoxx: do you get no audio at all or static |
| [20:50:30] | GreyFoxx: | no audio, just silence from the one card |
| [20:51:07] | klk: | I have 2 avermedia M179's that I have to set the audio input by hand on every time I reboot |
| [20:51:27] | GreyFoxx: | I had no problem with them when I had the 250's in a seperate box |
| [20:51:34] | GreyFoxx: | just since I merged them all into a single box |
| [20:51:41] | antgel: | anyone got a NOVA HD S2 that they want to sell me? |
| [20:51:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: Not 'no audio' but 'scratchy' audio, ye. |
| [20:52:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: PVR-500 and PVR-250 in my box – all 3 tuners would get 'scratchy' audio about 20% of the time. |
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| [20:53:47] | GreyFoxx: | hmm wonder if the audio volume is set too low |
| [20:53:59] | GreyFoxx: | I know you use to be able to manipulate that with ivtvctl |
| [20:54:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: If it'll help any, I used v4l2-ctl to 'fix' my audio – my channel change scripts and 'fix audio' scripts can be found here: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/ivtv_audio_issue/ |
| [20:54:43] | kisak: | iamlindoro: the third file with an error is the one that dumped all those "No more queue slots!" into mythbackend.log, it appears that mythcommflag ended prematurely at 25% (with a success message) |
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| [20:57:31] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, I thin kI see the problem |
| [20:57:40] | GreyFoxx: | msp3400 doesn't seem to see the card |
| [20:57:50] | GreyFoxx: | weird since it sees the other 4 cards |
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| [20:59:30] | janneg_: | GreyFoxx: try reloading the msp3400 module, it might be an device initialization race |
| [21:00:10] | williammanda: | Will mkv files work with video storage groups? |
| [21:00:16] | GreyFoxx: | williammanda: yup |
| [21:00:25] | williammanda: | great ty |
| [21:00:50] | GreyFoxx: | janneg_: No luck, same thing. It's seeing all the other cards but video3 http://www.pastebin.ca/1756563 |
| [21:01:01] | williammanda: | does anyone know of the easiest way to convert iso & vob files to mkv format? |
| [21:01:02] | GreyFoxx: | I think I might update the kernel on this machine, see if a newer kernel loads it |
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| [21:04:39] | nutron: | williammanda: handbrake |
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| [21:06:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | humm... "aquired" videos? Yuck... |
| [21:06:34] | iamlindoro: | yeah, and no taste |
| [21:06:39] | iamlindoro: | an entire folder for "Seagal" |
| [21:06:44] | williammanda: | nutron, ty |
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| [21:06:48] | natanojl: | GreyFoxx: I also use something similar to J-e-f-f-A for my PVR-500: sleep 5; v4l2-ctl -d 0 --set-audio-input=1; v4l2-ctl -d 0 -c audio_emphasis=0 |
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| [21:07:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah, I noticed that too... ;-) |
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| [21:09:14] | williammanda: | does anyone if there are any disadvantages of using mkv format in mythtv? |
| [21:09:46] | mkrufky1: | hey, williammanda |
| [21:10:04] | mkrufky1: | i use mythtv to play mkv sownloads, all the time |
| [21:10:27] | GreyFoxx: | natanojl: before I put in the new kernel I'll try that but since the audio module isn't logging anything about the card I think that;s the heart of my problem |
| [21:10:28] | williammanda: | mkrufky1, hello back ...been awhile |
| [21:11:06] | williammanda: | I was want to enable storage groups...and this seems a possible avenue |
| [21:12:07] | natanojl: | GreyFoxx: which kernel version are you using? |
| [21:12:10] | mkrufky1: | mkv and storage groups dont really have anything to do with one another |
| [21:12:27] | GreyFoxx: | currently 2.6.27.7 . Going to try 2.6.32.3 |
| [21:12:32] | williammanda: | I have all iso & vob video files |
| [21:12:57] | williammanda: | my understanding is that they won't work using storage groups |
| [21:13:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: that's correct. |
| [21:13:40] | williammanda: | so I was looking for a possible work around |
| [21:14:01] | williammanda: | either change the video format or something |
| [21:14:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: but you can still share the directories via NFS, storage groups and 'traditional' video directories can co-exist. |
| [21:14:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | (just don't overlap them) |
| [21:14:49] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: fyi, Armoured isn't out on DVD yet :) |
| [21:14:58] | iamlindoro: | sigh |
| [21:14:59] | natanojl: | GreyFoxx: Ok, I'm on 2.6.26. |
| [21:15:13] | williammanda: | I using nfs now |
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| [21:15:50] | stuartm: | it was only released to cinemas on 9th Dec according to IMDB |
| [21:15:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: Then you should be fine, as long as the mount points on your frontends are the same. |
| [21:16:00] | stuartm: | er, 4th |
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| [21:16:23] | stuartm: | hasn't even been released in the UK |
| [21:16:38] | williammanda: | yes it all works presently.... |
| [21:16:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: don't add your nfs mount dirs to your Videos storage group. List them in the video directories only. |
| [21:17:15] | williammanda: | I was looking into the streaming function of SG since I have a wireless FE |
| [21:17:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: I'm not sure that would help much (if at all) – it's still sending the same amount of data over the link... |
| [21:18:12] | williammanda: | oh...it does buffer? |
| [21:19:29] | williammanda: | I have a roku box...and I thought the streaming of SG might function the same way |
| [21:20:01] | williammanda: | oh...it doesn't buffer? |
| [21:20:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: It probably does, but I don't think it would be able to compensate for the latency/retries of a wireless link. (Most who have tried a wireless link with Myth have given up and gone wireless... I know I have...) |
| [21:22:16] | williammanda: | yes I understand about the frustration with wireless....been playing with it for several months... |
| [21:22:24] | stuartm: | J-e-f-f-A: you mean 'gone wired'? |
| [21:22:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | stuartm: yeah, woops. ;-) williammanda ^^ |
| [21:23:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | (sorry, in a boring company meeting that I should be paying attention to instead of chatting in irc... hehehehe) |
| [21:23:47] | stuartm: | the situation with wireless is only going to get worse, not better, as all your neighbours buy wireless devices and other hardware which produces interference |
| [21:24:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: Maybe find a "Wireless A" access point and card for your frontend? That might work better than "G"... (less interference perhaps?) |
| [21:24:51] | Dagmar: | The key is to buy something with as many antennas on it as possible |
| [21:25:08] | williammanda: | yes I know....I do that in my own house...I have a 2.4G n router and also have a wireless G AP....they have problems |
| [21:25:21] | stuartm: | 6 months ago, even with half a dozen wireless networks around me, I was still able to reliably watch SD over wifi, but now it's hit and miss, there are dozen wireless networks in bad weather and on a good day I can see almost 20 |
| [21:26:14] | stuartm: | and I don't live in a city centre, I can't even see that many houses looking out the window |
| [21:26:16] | williammanda: | I am using the N for FE now and about 80 – 85 % of the time it works great on everything |
| [21:26:21] | Dagmar: | stuarta: You need to spoil the milk a bit |
| [21:26:32] | Dagmar: | Getcha one of those spark-gap generators |
| [21:27:07] | stuartm: | if N doesn't work 100% of the time then it's time to call it a day and lay in the cable |
| [21:27:17] | Dagmar: | Nevermind, that was evil... Don't do that. |
| [21:27:25] | stuartm: | Dagmar: heh |
| [21:27:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: There are sites that have plans for a tin-foil antenna reflector that seems to work well – you could try that... |
| [21:27:38] | Dagmar: | I keep forgetting those can sometimes trigger pacemakers, too. |
| [21:27:46] | Dagmar: | That's true. |
| [21:27:47] | williammanda: | well I'm going to use cable from all the FE but one is going to be a bitch to wire |
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| [21:27:59] | Dagmar: | parametric reflectors are easy to build and can generally boost signal by 200% |
| [21:28:16] | Dagmar: | doesn't even matter if you use cheap tinfoil and funky soft cardboard from China |
| [21:28:26] | williammanda: | yes I found a site to make a home made reflector |
| [21:28:35] | Dagmar: | You just have to have a good eye, a steady hand, and a sharp knife |
| [21:29:08] | Dagmar: | williammanda: So if your access point has two or more antennas on it, get cracking on building that |
| [21:29:15] | Dagmar: | It really does help |
| [21:29:27] | Dagmar: | especially if your primary use of wireless is point-to-point |
| [21:29:54] | Dagmar: | My apartment is long, I have the study with my AP in the middle |
| [21:30:05] | Dagmar: | I have two parametric reflectors on it. |
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| [21:30:23] | Dagmar: | If I go outside 90 degrees perpendicular to that line, I can barely pick up it's signal |
| [21:30:35] | Dagmar: | Inside the apartment at both ends I'm booming. |
| [21:30:44] | Dagmar: | The kitchen is another matter, but I don't need 802.11 in there. |
| [21:30:46] | stuartm: | williammanda: I'm planning to wire one of mine that will mean laying cable through the bathroom (under the bath) up into the loft, across to the rear of the house, down the exterior wall and back in on the ground floor :D |
| [21:30:49] | ** J-e-f-f-A knows a guy that used a rooftop Yagi antenna to reliably connect to a 802.11B network a mile away in the not-so-distant past... ;-) ** | |
| [21:31:24] | Dagmar: | The condoplex I live in has a lot of retirees, so I definitely have competition from all sorts of 2.4Ghz cordless phones and microwave ovens |
| [21:32:23] | stuartm: | I might try the reflector before crawling all over the house, can't hurt |
| [21:33:14] | Dagmar: | It's easy and relatively amazing |
| [21:33:27] | Dagmar: | If your house isn't filled with sheet rock or steel I-beams it'll help a ton |
| [21:34:31] | Dagmar: | I wanted to be super-fancy about mine so instead of cardboard I used some thick transparent plastic from some school-supply binder, then spray glued tinfoil to that |
| [21:34:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dagmar: even worse is Horse-Hair plaster, it's horrible – blocks wireless much more than sheetrock... |
| [21:34:46] | williammanda: | J-e-f-f-A, williammanda: don't add your nfs mount dirs to your Videos storage group. List them in the video directories only.....I'm not sure I follow this? |
| [21:34:52] | Dagmar: | Shaped it while it was still slippy |
| [21:35:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: In the Media Settings, Video directories, just like pre-storage-group configuration. |
| [21:36:43] | williammanda: | J-e-f-f-A, In the Media Settings, Video directories.....I name the directory of the directory that has the iso & vob video files? |
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| [21:37:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: Yes. |
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| [21:38:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: And if you added those directories in as 'Video Storage Group" directories via mythtv-setup, delete them from there. |
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| [21:39:28] | williammanda: | ok .....so the BE setup should only have the standard /var/lib/mythtv/videos path? |
| [21:39:40] | Dagmar: | theorbtwo: Not when you spend 12 hours a day in a building that only has PCS coverage because the place is crawling with signal amps |
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| [21:41:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: yes, and if you have more than one directory, seperate them with colons. |
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| [21:44:34] | williammanda: | ok ty |
| [21:45:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Then, as long as you have /var/lib/mythtv/videos mounted on your frontend(s) to the same location as your backend, all should be well... |
| [21:47:35] | williammanda: | ok...so I make a new video directory for the iso & vob videos at /var/lib/mythtv/videos1 and enter that in the video setup on the frontend...then enable SG with the path of /var/lib/mythtv/videos...correct? |
| [21:48:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: if you want to use SG, yes. You just cant stream ISO or VOB files with SG's... |
| [21:49:01] | williammanda: | ok...so with that setup I need to keep my nfs mounts? |
| [21:49:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: at least of /var/lib/mythtv/videos1 – yes. |
| [21:49:42] | williammanda: | ok great I think I got it |
| [21:49:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: but not for the SG directories, if you start to use them. ;-) |
| [21:50:12] | williammanda: | I have one other question concerning jamu.... |
| [21:50:32] | williammanda: | as you know I'm not using SG for video now.... |
| [21:50:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: I can't help with that... I don't use it yet... But someone else can probably answer your question. ;-) |
| [21:50:52] | williammanda: | After the metadata is setup for the videos.... |
| [21:51:00] | williammanda: | ok |
| [21:51:49] | williammanda: | when jamu runs it edits the path for the artwork so that the artwork doesn't show.... |
| [21:52:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: Jamu will use storage groups for the artwork – you're just not using a storage group for some of your videos. |
| [21:52:54] | williammanda: | example...the path for coverart should be /var/lib/mythtv/fanart/star trek_fanart.jpg.... |
| [21:53:22] | williammanda: | well after jamu runs the path becomes star trek_fanart.jpg.... |
| [21:53:50] | williammanda: | it remove the first part of the path |
| [21:54:00] | iamlindoro: | If you are not using storage groups, you need to remove the artwork SGs too |
| [21:54:18] | williammanda: | it either all or none then |
| [21:54:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^^ ah, /me didn't know that. doh! |
| [21:54:26] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [21:54:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: is that only as far as Jamu is concerned? |
| [21:54:55] | iamlindoro: | Yes |
| [21:55:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok. ;-) |
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| [21:55:25] | iamlindoro: | though regardless of how you get your metadata, image SGs do nothing without a Video SG |
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| [21:56:06] | williammanda: | yep thats the only one I don't have..video SG |
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| [21:57:19] | williammanda: | it sounds like the easiest thing for me to do is convert the iso & vob videos to mkv format and use SG across the board |
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| [21:58:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: As long as you don't care about menus and special features of ISOs, sure. [not the 'easiest' IMHO] |
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| [21:59:39] | williammanda: | I don't...it was just easier to create the iso at the time |
| [22:00:07] | williammanda: | I'm trying out the mkvmerge program now on a vob file |
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| [22:10:08] | williammanda: | ok ty for all your help |
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| [22:12:12] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: im surprised you didnt make some comment about him being coy with his 'acquired' videos |
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| [22:14:45] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: TBH I am a little burnt out on being the onyl guy towing the party line sometimes |
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| [22:15:10] | iamlindoro: | Every time I try to stand up for the official "project" ethos I am jumped by a half-dozen people who don't like it, and it's exhausting |
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| [22:17:38] | ruesseltier: | i have a master and a slavebackend on 2 diffrent pc's. is it possible to recording and watching livetv with the slavebackend recorder on the masterbackend ? |
| [22:17:51] | iamlindoro: | It would be a lot different if there were any penalties for violating the theft portions of the list rules, but there aren't |
| [22:17:53] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will use the first available tuner |
| [22:17:57] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt care where that tuner is |
| [22:18:14] | iamlindoro: | and by now all the people who want to flout the rules do so knowing they won't ever be penalized |
| [22:18:19] | wagnerrp: | there is no prioritization of local tuners |
| [22:19:41] | ruesseltier: | @wagnerrp: but where i can setup this ? |
| [22:20:11] | wagnerrp: | ruesseltier: theres nothing to set up, outside the standard card definition in mythtv-setup |
| [22:20:15] | skd5aner: | ruesseltier: there's a GREAT posting on how this works in the archives, let me dig it up |
| [22:20:24] | wagnerrp: | all frontend have all access to all tuners on all connected backends |
| [22:20:49] | ruesseltier: | @skd5aner: ok i wait... |
| [22:21:26] | ruesseltier: | @ wagnerrp is it also possible between mythtv 0.21 and 0.22 ? |
| [22:21:31] | skd5aner: | ruessseltier: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/165477#165477 |
| [22:22:09] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: there is prioritization of LiveTV selecting a local tuner for a FE/BE combo in certain circumstances... |
| [22:22:13] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: doug says hes got jamu working with the new bindings, i expect miro will probably be ready some time this weekend |
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| [22:22:29] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: yeah, he mentioned to me, sounds good |
| [22:22:36] | wagnerrp: | do you want to retain control of jamu and mythvidexport? or do you want me to take care of those |
| [22:23:00] | skd5aner: | that is, if "avoid conflicts" is unchecked, then a FE will look for a tuner on the same device first |
| [22:23:01] | wagnerrp: | ruesseltier: no, you must run the same version of mythtv on all connected systems |
| [22:23:20] | iamlindoro: | I don't care to have any strict control over any of it, I am happy to apply any fixes, and have no problem with you doing so to either of them |
| [22:23:23] | wagnerrp: | oh? i thought that just meant to pull from the bottom of the list, instead of the top |
| [22:23:25] | skd5aner: | otherwise, if it is checked, it'll go in tuner priority (highest numbered card available) |
| [22:23:38] | wagnerrp: | ok, sounds good |
| [22:23:59] | sphery: | rebuild is taking a while... lots of header changes. |
| [22:24:15] | iamlindoro: | I blame the MythNetvision guy |
| [22:24:16] | stuartm: | <Dagmar> If your house isn't filled with sheet rock or steel I-beams it'll help a ton << 1920s, wood beams and solid brick internal walls |
| [22:25:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | stuartm: hahaha... reflectors *might* help.... ;-) No wonder wireless doesn't work that well for you. |
| [22:25:23] | sphery: | iamlindoro: haven't started building plugins |
| [22:25:28] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yes, that's the primary side affect (pulling from the bottom of the list), the second side affect is that it doesn't care about local/remote tuners anymore – per BJM |
| [22:25:32] | sphery: | iamlindoro: though I /am/ running Graphite on the machine, so... |
| [22:25:37] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I still blame him, I just can't trust that guy |
| [22:25:39] | sphery: | probably that broken theme |
| [22:25:46] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:26:40] | ruesseltier: | wagnerrp, skd5aner thank you for your help. |
| [22:26:51] | skd5aner: | sorry – effect, not affect :P |
| [22:27:03] | skd5aner: | ruesseltier: np, good luck |
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| [22:27:12] | wagnerrp: | ruesseltier: to be honest, if youre worried about your network having the capacity to pull from remote tuners, you need to upgrade your network |
| [22:27:15] | iamlindoro: | sphery: What's worse, I heard the guy has a for-pay theme coming out where you have to sign a restrictive EULA and order a hardware key |
| [22:27:55] | wagnerrp: | do people still do hardware keys? |
| [22:28:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yep. The Swift does – of course, they're USB nowadays... |
| [22:28:34] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: my use case why that really mattered to me is that my fe/sbe is where my HD-PVR is attached. It's the only tuner on that device, so without that box checked, it always wanted to use my HD-PVR for live TV and I definitely didn't want that – just on example :) |
| [22:28:36] | wagnerrp: | ive honestly never even seen one |
| [22:28:37] | iamlindoro: | Well, it's that or the Internet activation |
| [22:28:46] | iamlindoro: | oh yeah, still lots of hardware keys out there |
| [22:28:49] | wagnerrp: | everything ive ever used has been network license servers |
| [22:28:53] | iamlindoro: | particularly CAD and design software |
| [22:29:06] | iamlindoro: | Mentor Graphics Stuff, Solidworks, etc. |
| [22:29:16] | wagnerrp: | that get tied to a local network card, or the hash of some local hardware |
| [22:29:22] | iamlindoro: | You can do network licensing on some of that stuff, but the license cost doubles |
| [22:29:29] | skd5aner: | sphery/iamlindoro: what "guy" are you talking about, something on the lists? |
| [22:29:31] | wagnerrp: | Solidworks doesnt use dongles |
| [22:29:37] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: yes, it does |
| [22:29:40] | ruesseltier: | @wagnerrp my network is no problem... if i stream LIVETV with MSWindows mythTVplayer i hav a good quality. |
| [22:29:42] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yes, I have a piece of software that requires a hardware dongle still |
| [22:29:46] | ** iamlindoro points at the solidworks dongle sitting in front of him ** | |
| [22:29:54] | skd5aner: | 3d modeling software |
| [22:29:55] | wagnerrp: | ok, then apparently weve just paid the extra for license servers |
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| [22:30:02] | iamlindoro: | Solidworks *can* be network licensed, for way, way more money |
| [22:31:09] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: hes talking about himself |
| [22:32:40] | skd5aner: | oh – Arclight? |
| [22:32:58] | skd5aner: | the font thing people were throwing a fit about? |
| [22:33:27] | wagnerrp: | yes, arclight requires a for-pay font, and the license is set up that the theme is free to use, but not free to be modified |
| [22:34:18] | wagnerrp: | so several months ago, everyone on the mailing list was complaining first that they couldnt use it because they wouldnt be willing to purchase the fone |
| [22:34:29] | wagnerrp: | and second that such a theme would be the only one available for use with mythtv |
| [22:34:29] | iamlindoro: | anyway, we are just joking about people's overreaction and blowing the facts out of proportion |
| [22:34:30] | skd5aner: | yea- I remember that |
| [22:34:51] | skd5aner: | yea – was late to joke, my bad |
| [22:34:52] | iamlindoro: | like the guy on the MythBuntu forums saying I was getting $20/head for it |
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| [22:35:31] | ** skd5aner rarely reads the users list, mythtvtalk, mythbuntu forums, etc – sticks to -commits and sometimes -dev to follow progress ** | |
| [22:35:52] | wagnerrp: | the latter complaint was very amusing, considering at that point there were three themes available in mythtv, along with a fourth on the forum and a fifth from mythbuntu |
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| [22:36:25] | stuartm: | I'm glad that people can still joke :) My own sense of humour has been worn very thin |
| [22:36:38] | skd5aner: | Well – how is the themeing comp coming along? Do we expect to get some good additions out of that? |
| [22:36:48] | iamlindoro: | Won't know until we see them |
| [22:36:53] | wagnerrp: | just under two weeks left |
| [22:36:59] | iamlindoro: | may only be a few entries, but more choice is always good, regardless |
| [22:37:01] | skd5aner: | wasn't sure if anyone had shown some previews |
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| [22:37:24] | wagnerrp: | theres been half a dozen users asking various questions in the -theming list |
| [22:37:26] | iamlindoro: | Yes, we have seen several that are supposed to be for the contest |
| [22:37:35] | wagnerrp: | i know at least two are near finished |
| [22:37:44] | iamlindoro: | not a whole bunch, but a few, and there might be one or two stealth entires, you never know |
| [22:38:11] | iamlindoro: | And at least one non-competition theme coming, so there will be more choice, though how much more is anyone's guess |
| [22:38:48] | iamlindoro: | And probably three themes that I have heard of that are not intended for the competition/not expected to be done by them |
| [22:38:55] | skd5aner: | well – I missed the contest, the real world is really pulling me in all directions, but maybe I'll get around to doing something sometime |
| [22:39:01] | iamlindoro: | So I'd expect ~12 MythUI themes by .24 |
| [22:39:20] | stuartm: | I'm still hoping to see variety and at least one theme that is capable of blowing people away visually |
| [22:39:39] | stuartm: | aside from Arclight that is ;) |
| [22:39:47] | th1_: | the new standard theme is quite nice, but I miss the projectGrayhem theme I used in .21 especially for my netbook, it was more lightweight |
| [22:39:50] | iamlindoro: | heh, no need to spare my feelings ;) |
| [22:40:20] | th1_: | on my main tv the new default theme is better |
| [22:40:24] | skd5aner: | yea, I used Project Grayhem forever |
| [22:40:25] | iamlindoro: | th1_: So write a new lightweight theme |
| [22:40:36] | th1_: | iamlindoro, I can't do gfx :) |
| [22:40:40] | wagnerrp: | th1_: take a look at mythcenter |
| [22:40:40] | th1_: | even if someone held a gun to my head |
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| [22:40:47] | wagnerrp: | theres not a whole lot two it |
| [22:40:48] | skd5aner: | alright – time to head out |
| [22:40:54] | wagnerrp: | a bit of graphics on top of the base defaults |
| [22:41:01] | iamlindoro: | nothing stopping one from writing a light theme in MythUI, just that none of us who have worked with/learned the new theming style have any interest in doing straight ports of someone else's creative works |
| [22:41:46] | stuartm: | th1_: it's amazing what you can achieve with something like Inkscape, 'shape maths' and absolutely no artistic talent – just look at me |
| [22:41:49] | th1_: | I just said I liked that theme onthe netbook |
| [22:42:03] | th1_: | stuartm, did you make one of the themes? |
| [22:42:20] | iamlindoro: | th1_: And that's a reasonable thing to say, I'm just saying that one shouldn't expect the old themes to turn up again, but that shouldn't stop one from working on a new lightweight theme |
| [22:42:21] | wagnerrp: | several, and the UI |
| [22:42:22] | stuartm: | two in 0.22 and at least three in progress |
| [22:42:30] | th1_: | ok nice |
| [22:42:58] | iamlindoro: | one can write a phone theme for MythUI if one were so inclined |
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| [22:43:16] | iamlindoro: | heck, if I had a portable device that ran the frontend I'd probably write a phone/PDA theme just to show how to do so |
| [22:43:19] | th1_: | I use the Graphite theme on my netbook now, it's also quite nice but still updates a bit slower than 0.21 with grayhem. I don't know if it's the theme or the engine though. |
| [22:43:41] | iamlindoro: | Graphite is a medium-heavyweight theme (IMO) |
| [22:43:53] | th1_: | compared to Terra it renderrs a lot faster on my netbook |
| [22:44:22] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, medium-heavyweight, like Mike Tyson |
| [22:44:40] | th1_: | but the terra theme looks awesome on my 46" tv :) |
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| [22:48:04] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: I might design a small-screen theme, maybe throw touchscreen in there just because, because I think that it's one of the less touted features of mythui |
| [22:48:25] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [22:48:31] | stuartm: | E_NEEDSLEEP |
| [22:48:35] | wagnerrp: | touchscreen support is something that has to be managed by the theme? |
| [22:48:44] | kormoc: | once the iTablet is out, it'll be a much requested feature :) |
| [22:49:06] | wagnerrp: | depends on how powerful it is |
| [22:49:18] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: no, although there are obvious things that a theme can do to enhance touchscreen support, e.g. large finger friendly buttons, layouts |
| [22:49:26] | mkrufky1: | that will be handy, for people that want to mount a mythfrontend on their bathroom wall :-P |
| [22:49:33] | iamlindoro: | I think with a) some simple animation effects and b) a few more theme generations, we could produce things as good as or better than most of the other media center softwares |
| [22:49:41] | wagnerrp: | mkrufky1: i was more thinking kitchen |
| [22:50:04] | mkrufky1: | kitchen, too ... better to smudge the touchscreen with GREASE rather than... .. . ... . . . . |
| [22:50:25] | stuartm: | there is still a fair amount that needs doing on the code side for touchscreen support, but even in 0.22 mythfrontend is mostly usable with nothing but a mouse |
| [22:50:27] | wagnerrp: | youre dribbling there |
| [22:51:49] | stuartm: | animation was the biggy for mythui, but it's technically challenging and the least important addition so it's coming, just slowly |
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| [22:52:27] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Even when it's all in, I expect 90% of uses will break down to a) flying in a <group> and b) buttonlist transitions |
| [22:52:39] | iamlindoro: | Personally I'd be thrilled with just b) |
| [22:52:50] | stuartm: | that's something users never appreciated, you can't write this stuff overnight, it takes time to do it correctly |
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| [22:53:15] | iamlindoro: | They all think you can just include some lib and it's magically all there |
| [22:53:26] | iamlindoro: | thus the suggestions to "switch to" $SomeCrapEffectsLib |
| [22:53:32] | stuartm: | a) is there already, but has no associated xml and I've never actually tested it so there may be bugs |
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| [22:54:35] | sphery: | is there any reason that we would need a named MySQL index that's identical to the index for the primary key? |
| [22:54:48] | stuartm: | in fact the code for movement animation has existed for years, Isaac wrote it as one of the first things for mythui, it's languished there ever since almost forgotten |
| [22:55:03] | stuartm: | sphery: I can't think of one |
| [22:55:13] | sphery: | thx... just verifying before I cut it out |
| [22:55:42] | sphery: | not often used table, so if I break something, we might not know for a /long/ time :) |
| [22:55:50] | stuartm: | might run it past a DBA first |
| [22:55:51] | sphery: | (and tiny table, where index probably doesn't help much) |
| [22:55:59] | ** sphery wonders if kormoc is around ** | |
| [22:56:10] | ** kormoc wonders if he should hide ** | |
| [22:56:16] | TauPan: | interesting... dvb-t works nicely on the hvr-1300, but not with mythtv... |
| [22:56:19] | sphery: | (though I don't know his title, he knows DB's way better than me :) |
| [22:56:33] | stuartm: | kormoc: better to be safe |
| [22:56:48] | sphery: | kormoc: Any ideas on any reasons why we would need a named MySQL index that's identical to the index for the primary key? Or is it just an oversight/redundant index? |
| [22:56:58] | kormoc: | sphery: nope, there's no reason to duplicate an index |
| [22:57:02] | kormoc: | which table? |
| [22:57:10] | sphery: | recgrouppassword |
| [22:57:22] | sphery: | (tiny table where the index probably isn't even that useful :) |
| [22:57:56] | kormoc: | yeah, there's no need, the primary is unique already |
| [22:58:00] | stuartm: | can anyone tell me if there is a particular reason why the majority of doors in Sweden open outwards? Not into the room/building as they do elsewhere in the world? |
| [22:58:01] | sphery: | thx |
| [22:58:10] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: fire code |
| [22:58:18] | sphery: | I'm still looking for a DROP INDEX IF EXISTS... |
| [22:58:34] | kormoc: | sphery: you'll look forever, it doesn't exist sadly |
| [22:58:49] | kormoc: | stuartm: lots of doors in the US open outward in commercial buildings |
| [22:58:49] | sphery: | Found "ALTER IGNORE TABLE recgrouppassword DROP INDEX indexthatdoesnotexist;" but it doesn't seem to ignore |
| [22:58:58] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: When escaping a burning building an outward-opening door is the path of least resistance/is less likely to be a choke point |
| [22:59:07] | sphery: | without it, it goes form a 5-line DB update to about 50 lines of code. :( |
| [22:59:11] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, public buildings in the US for the same reason |
| [22:59:29] | sphery: | (that I have to do 2x because mythvideo also has a dup index (this one title_2 --it's really a dup :) |
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| [22:59:59] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: you'd think it would be worse in a fire, open a hotel/apartment door in Sweden and it blocks the corridor, some poor sap probably ends up with a concussion by running headlong into a door suddenly flung into his/her path |
| [23:00:20] | kormoc: | hrm |
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| [23:00:36] | kormoc: | in the US, internal doors tend to open in and outer doors open out |
| [23:00:42] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Heh, I guess there's a way to spin it one way or another |
| [23:00:45] | kisak: | the only doors that reall need to open inward is low traffic security doors, to protect the hinges (like doors to the outside of a residence) |
| [23:01:01] | stuartm: | watching Wallander (Swedish cop drama) 95% of doors, internal and external open outwards |
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| [23:01:10] | sphery: | kormoc: in FL, building code now says that outer doors must open out--hurricane code |
| [23:01:15] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Soon you can watch it in MNV ;) |
| [23:01:19] | iamlindoro: | In the original Swedish |
| [23:01:38] | ** sphery happened to find a door that's an inswing because an outswing won't work with the screen enclosure on my front porch ** | |
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| [23:02:00] | stuartm: | sphery: well that prevents them blowing in I guess, but if debris lands in front of the door you are then trapped inside? :) |
| [23:02:23] | sphery: | stuartm: yeah, it blows them closed so they don't leak water |
| [23:02:28] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: it's in Swedish, but with subtitles thankfully ;) |
| [23:02:54] | sphery: | just annoying that it's on both commercial and residential, now |
| [23:03:10] | iamlindoro: | <description>Ola Rapace och Noomi Rapace pratar om Wallander respektive Salander i Babels studio.</description> |
| [23:03:11] | sphery: | I hate hitting people with my front door when I open it |
| [23:03:20] | iamlindoro: | <title>Skådespelarna Ola och Noomi Rapace gästar Babel</title> |
| [23:03:21] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [23:03:30] | sphery: | not to mention the idea of the hinges being on the outside of the door--where just popping the pin allows removal of the door |
| [23:03:39] | stuartm: | heh |
| [23:03:45] | kisak: | sphery: so you're saying you can use your front door for self defense? |
| [23:03:58] | stuartm: | in the UK, many public buildings open both ways (if I think about it) |
| [23:04:05] | sphery: | heh, I can't because I got an old-style inswing even though it's not up to current code :) |
| [23:04:20] | sphery: | stuartm: that's the best approach |
| [23:05:12] | iamlindoro: | Makes serving a warrant tougher |
| [23:05:45] | stuartm: | the possibility of it being a fire reg crossed my mind, but as in the hotel example it seemed more of a hindrance, you'll often see scenes in Wallander where they stand for several minutes talking to a resident at a apartment block and it's not possible for anyone to pass because the open door blocks the way |
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| [23:06:28] | iamlindoro: | Don't be silly, everyone knows the swedes don't have apartments |
| [23:06:28] | kisak: | skinny hallways? |
| [23:06:32] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: heh, yeah, in this series they don't use the battering rams you see in the US, UK etc, they carry crowbars to lever it out of the frame |
| [23:06:46] | iamlindoro: | They have beautiful, open houses with IKEA furniture, where they enjoy consequence free sex with many partners |
| [23:07:06] | iamlindoro: | Don't go telling me all that I know about Sweden is a lie! |
| [23:07:18] | stuartm: | :p |
| [23:07:30] | ** iamlindoro cancels his vacation plans ** | |
| [23:07:52] | ** stuartm hasn't seen a single sauna filled with blondes ** | |
| [23:08:13] | sphery: | kormoc: seems you're right... I just need to write the code |
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| [23:08:27] | iamlindoro: | I must say, even though I respect the culture, and especially nordic women, swedish sounds like a bad case of tongue paralysis to me |
| [23:09:20] | iamlindoro: | And I'm more partial to the Redheads, which they seem to have in ample supply |
| [23:09:43] | ** sphery thinks iamlindoro has been watching too much Swedish TV on MythNetVision ** | |
| [23:09:50] | iamlindoro: | What's too much? |
| [23:10:14] | sphery: | however much it took to give you your current view of the culture :) |
| [23:10:24] | Coded1: | i wanted to try out myth on my parents box. its an amd 3500+x2 w/ a radeon 3200hd integrated gpu, sata, 2gb ram. how will it hold out for 1080p rips? |
| [23:10:46] | iamlindoro: | I'm just saying maybe they could use a Mediterranean looking triathlete instead of a wispy looking english professor type they seem to have ;) |
| [23:11:07] | iamlindoro: | Jus' Sayin' |
| [23:13:11] | kisak: | is this normal for a transcode section of the log? http://pastebin.ca/1756735 |
| [23:14:04] | stuartm: | if Wallander is anything to go by, depressing country, one of the main characters just killed himself and I happen to know the lead actress committed suicide |
| [23:14:24] | iamlindoro: | Seasonal Affective Disorder |
| [23:14:34] | stuartm: | aye, in a big way |
| [23:14:42] | iamlindoro: | When it's dark half the time, that apparently has a major impact |
| [23:14:56] | sphery: | Coded1: since I'm assuming you mean Blu-Ray rips when you say "1080p rips", I'm assuming you mean, "How will it hold out for high-bitrate MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) video decoding?" I'd guess you should be able to get a few frames per second that way. :) |
| [23:14:56] | iamlindoro: | My Uncle married a swede-- they live in Chicago, but at least you still get sun year-round |
| [23:14:59] | kormoc: | it's not dark half the time everywhere? |
| [23:15:16] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Heh, good point, make that 75% of the time ;) |
| [23:15:25] | sphery: | Coded1: in other words, the resolution is far less important than the bitrate and CODEC involved. |
| [23:15:30] | iamlindoro: | dark all the time, half the time ;) |
| [23:15:39] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [23:15:47] | iamlindoro: | 60 percent of the time, it works... every time |
| [23:16:03] | Coded1: | few meaning over 60 or a few meaning it looks like a slide show? |
| [23:16:18] | stuartm: | the whole tone of the series is enough to make me (more) depressed, but it makes a nice change from the endless US imports |
| [23:17:23] | Coded1: | its smooth on win 7 and runs using no more than about 40% cpu i know about history with amd and linux though |
| [23:17:28] | sphery: | Coded1: decoding high-bitrate H.264 in real time is very challenging |
| [23:17:38] | sphery: | on Windows, you're likely using your GPU to do some of the work |
| [23:18:10] | sphery: | and you may have multithreaded decoding (meaning using both cores). In *nix, we have single-threaded decode |
| [23:18:20] | sphery: | and you can only really get GPU help with nvidia VDPAU |
| [23:18:36] | sphery: | but the best way to find out for sure is to try it |
| [23:18:41] | kisak: | unless you bash your head against ffmpeg-mt |
| [23:19:39] | Coded1: | i c. just keep on hearing about amd gpu driver improvements just never actually see anything though |
| [23:20:10] | sphery: | kisak: which won't work in Myth (i.e. Myth doesn't use the system ffmpeg) |
| [23:20:45] | sphery: | Coded1: I think they now have some support for DxVA (or whatever it's called), but Myth has none. |
| [23:20:50] | kisak: | sphery: you can't tell Myth to use mplayer? |
| [23:21:04] | sphery: | kisak: you could tell MythVideo to, but not MythTV |
| [23:21:12] | sphery: | for blu-ray rips, though, you'd be using MythVideo |
| [23:21:17] | sphery: | so you could do that |
| [23:21:28] | sphery: | but like you said, ffmpeg-mt isn't really "ready" yet |
| [23:21:36] | kisak: | indeed |
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| [23:22:14] | kisak: | ffmpeg is a better choice then being stuck in a corner with hounds on your tail |
| [23:22:16] | stuartm: | until it's merged into the main branch it's not going to land in mythtv |
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| [23:22:35] | sphery: | kisak: heh, good way of putting it |
| [23:22:37] | kisak: | s/ffmpeg/ffmpeg-mt |
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| [23:25:51] | kisak: | I'm wondering if lines like "2010-01–18 18:24:59.053 -0.0% complete" indicate a race condition |
| [23:26:55] | highzeth: | iamlindoro: Wallander "land" is in the southern parts of Sweden, try the northern parts during winter. That is a real tool. |
| [23:27:24] | iamlindoro: | highzeth: I've never even seen it, I'm happy living in my fantasy land of bikini teams |
| [23:28:24] | highzeth: | As you should, there is very little to see, being dark 19 hours of the day(at best) ;) |
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| [23:29:09] | kisak: | swedish batman gets extended hours of operation |
| [23:29:18] | ** iamlindoro lives in California, which is proof that no matter how good someone's situation, they're always wondering about the grass on the other side ** | |
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| [23:29:44] | Dagmar: | The grass is a lie. |
| [23:29:53] | kisak: | iamlindoro: it's not really greener, but gas is cheaper |
| [23:29:54] | highzeth: | on the plus side, we got summers with day light 24/7, thats always something hehe |
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| [23:32:31] | stuartm: | well here the grass really is greener, but it only gets that way because of the rain |
| [23:32:41] | stuartm: | but that's ok, I like rain |
| [23:34:26] | iamlindoro: | I like rain too, and I'm in the tiny pocket of CA that gets both ample rain and has sun 300 days a year, plus great beaches |
| [23:34:46] | iamlindoro: | so green, beaches, attractive people... Why am I in front of the computer again? |
| [23:34:50] | stuartm: | any Englishman, Welshman, Scotsman or Irishman who doesn't like the rain is ... odd, without it we'd be living in a desert and then they'd hate the sand |
| [23:36:47] | dustybin: | rain is fail boat |
| [23:36:49] | kisak: | it's all about extremes, too much of any good thing is bad for you |
| [23:37:00] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: you should go outside |
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| [23:37:18] | kisak: | except for documenting code |
| [23:37:47] | dustybin: | who needs weather conditions when you have irc :D |
| [23:38:25] | ** dustybin awaits foul abuse ** | |
| [23:38:30] | stuartm: | truth is that rain doesn't fall all the time in England, in fact the last couple of summers we've been begging for it, weeks without rain |
| [23:38:58] | kisak: | just setup an alarm for when hurricane-force winds penetrate the neighbors |
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| [23:40:15] | Dagmar: | If hurricane-force winds actually _penetrate_ the neighbors, there's little hope for you unless you live in an underground bunker. |
| [23:40:31] | Dagmar: | ...and you're going to need a sponge-mop. |
| [23:40:38] | kisak: | what? you don't live in a basement? |
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| [23:42:04] | nutron: | I'd like to penetrate my neighbour. Although an entirely different matter, I thought I'd put it out there. Discuss. |
| [23:42:39] | kisak: | nutron: welcome to mythtv's end user support channel |
| [23:42:43] | Dagmar: | nutron: As to your comment yesterday about always being right... one gets used to it after awhile. |
| [23:43:21] | Dagmar: | Some problems people have are laughably simple, and they'd see it themselves if it didn't mean that the solution involves them actually doing some work. |
| [23:43:50] | nutron: | Dagmar: I figured, though after a while I can imagine that it'd be getting pretty old. |
| [23:44:02] | Dagmar: | It got old around 1998 |
| [23:44:10] | Dagmar: | Actually, probably 1990 |
| [23:44:32] | nutron: | Dagmar: I know, I find that I'm turning into one of those people sadly. Too many projects on the go, and there's so much internets to browse before I get to the end. |
| [23:46:10] | Dagmar: | I play video games so I hate computers less. |
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| [23:47:09] | nutron: | I actually spent 40 or so minutes researching how to test my new pvr tuners sans X, sans eth0, to ensure I didn't get screwed on eBay. If I'd pick up my ass and connect the computer to my switch, it'd be easy, but noooo... Google can find it for me. And y'know what? I _still_ have to connect the machine to the network. |
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