| Friday, January 15th, 2010, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:26] | MNIchie_: | Working with whichever version came with Ubunut Karmic, which said supported this card out of the box. |
| [00:00:32] | devinheitmueller: | MNIchie_: and are you running 0.22? Or the svn trunk? Or something else? |
| [00:00:37] | MNIchie_: | .22 |
| [00:00:59] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, that should be working fine (it was when I ran it a few weeks ago). You doing ATSC or ClearQAM? |
| [00:01:40] | MNIchie_: | ClearQAM, and ATSC, no channels have been picked up on either |
| [00:01:54] | devinheitmueller: | hmmm.... |
| [00:02:04] | devinheitmueller: | Have you tried rebooting the PC? Any errors in dmesg? |
| [00:02:44] | MNIchie_: | no errors and yes I have rebooted. I can scan and watch TV in kaffeine if that makes any difference in troubleshooting. |
| [00:02:58] | devinheitmueller: | Well, that suggest that you've basically got a valid signal. |
| [00:03:25] | devinheitmueller: | Did you try increasing the tuning timeout? |
| [00:03:34] | MNIchie_: | changed it to 6 secs |
| [00:03:41] | th1_: | J-e-f-f-A, Dagmar : Yay problem solved |
| [00:03:53] | devinheitmueller: | Sounds like you tried all the obvious stuff. :-/ |
| [00:03:54] | th1_: | now it takes 1 second to load Recordings screen |
| [00:03:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | MNIchie_: : You have the tuner setup as a DVB tuner in myth, right? ^^ and yeah, increase the timeout, like 15–20 secs... |
| [00:04:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | th1_: That's better. ;-) |
| [00:04:18] | th1_: | yes |
| [00:04:31] | th1_: | it was just wasting time looking for missing files every time |
| [00:04:34] | MNIchie_: | J-e-f-f-A: yes DVB:/dev/dvb/adaptor0/frontend0 |
| [00:04:44] | devinheitmueller: | J-e-f-f-A: shouldn't be needed. With the current code, the xc5000 has one of the fastest locks of all the ATSC/ClearQAM tuners. |
| [00:05:25] | th1_: | omg *everything* is massively faster now |
| [00:05:28] | th1_: | even live TV |
| [00:05:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | devinheitmueller: I couldn't get any 'scan' locks on the 'standard' 950 (non-Qam) without a huge timeout. |
| [00:05:59] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, the older 950 uses a totally different demod and tuner. |
| [00:06:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | devinheitmueller: It was the same story with my old HD3000 tuner too. |
| [00:06:41] | devinheitmueller: | Most of the drivers are *very* poorly optimized for lock time. |
| [00:06:54] | devinheitmueller: | (it's something I've been working on fixing) |
| [00:07:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | devinheitmueller: Ah, cool. ;-) |
| [00:07:53] | devinheitmueller: | Generally speaking, all of the tuners should lock within 1 second. |
| [00:08:00] | devinheitmueller: | (for ATSC/ClearQAM) |
| [00:08:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | devinheitmueller: Nice. ;-) |
| [00:08:18] | devinheitmueller: | Well, *many* of them are nowhere near that. |
| [00:08:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | devinheitmueller: Yeah, understood. ;-) |
| [00:09:04] | devinheitmueller: | Anyway, I don't know what MNIchie_'s issue is though. I will have to break out my 950q and see if I can reproduce it. |
| [00:09:35] | MNIchie_: | Using the mythtv version that is in the Ubuntu Repos btw |
| [00:09:41] | devinheitmueller: | understood. |
| [00:09:57] | devinheitmueller: | I built a box with that a couple of days ago, so I can use that. |
| [00:10:23] | devinheitmueller: | ... so much for me having a dedicated production system to DVR "The Office". :-( |
| [00:11:00] | MNIchie_: | I saw that LinuxTV is saying NTSC is now supported for this card. Am I suppose to set up a separate capture card for the NTSC portion? |
| [00:11:32] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, the NTSC is supported (in tvtime), and it works in MythTV, but you cannot reliably have the card setup for both digital and analog. |
| [00:11:52] | devinheitmueller: | There's some sort of timing bug that mythtv exposes when switching between modes, which locks up the demod. |
| [00:11:57] | devinheitmueller: | It's on my todo list. |
| [00:12:39] | MNIchie_: | if you happen to know off the top of your head, what is the card type suppose to be for analog? |
| [00:12:52] | devinheitmueller: | It's a standard v4l device. |
| [00:13:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | ie "lamegrabber" hehehehe... |
| [00:13:46] | devinheitmueller: | There's a bug in MythTV though so you need to go into the recording profiles and make sure the capture resolution is 720x480 for all capture modes. |
| [00:13:48] | MNIchie_: | its autofilling video device as /dev/video0, but when I use those settings, it will not even let me press the scan button(greyed out) |
| [00:14:03] | devinheitmueller: | The channel scanner for analog is disabled in MythTV. |
| [00:14:08] | devinheitmueller: | (for all cards) |
| [00:14:34] | devinheitmueller: | The channel scanner for analog is completely broken and since the developers didn't have the time to fix it they just disabled it entirely. |
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| [00:15:08] | MNIchie_: | So to add channels to it I...(sorry about all the questions btw) |
| [00:15:25] | kormoc: | MNIchie_: schedulesdirect.org |
| [00:15:40] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, the only option is a schedulesdirect.org subscription. |
| [00:15:51] | devinheitmueller: | ... and no, it's no a conspiracy... :-0 |
| [00:15:53] | devinheitmueller: | :-) |
| [00:16:15] | kormoc: | devinheitmueller: that's what they *would* say! |
| [00:16:20] | MNIchie_: | I used to have an account, just kinda nervous to reenable for a device that isn't currently working |
| [00:16:33] | devinheitmueller: | There is a two week trial. |
| [00:16:53] | devinheitmueller: | You can create a new account, get everything working, and then pay for the subscription. |
| [00:17:01] | MNIchie_: | well solves that issue. Still miss zap2it though |
| [00:17:22] | devinheitmueller: | MNIchie_: feel free to submit patches. :-) |
| [00:18:00] | MNIchie_: | if I figure it out, will do |
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| [00:22:51] | TauPan: | Hi... I'm currently having trouble getting my new hvr 1300 to work... I managed to download the firmware and figure out that I need /dev/video1 for the mpeg encoded stream with ivtv. And now I get a good picture, and can change channels, but audio (and video, I think) runs too slow and stops after a few seconds. |
| [00:27:34] | Dagmar: | Hmm... Icon importer needs a "skip ALL THESE button". Will write ticket later tonight |
| [00:27:39] | th1_: | jarle, are you still there? |
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| [01:02:33] | Dagmar: | Oh hell |
| [01:02:46] | Dagmar: | I'm going to just have to assume I have a rev c2 HDPVR |
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| [01:03:17] | abqjp: | Dagmar: there is no sticker on the bottom? |
| [01:03:44] | Dagmar: | abqjp: It's not that. It's more a matter of I can't see the bottom of the thing from ~12 miles away. |
| [01:04:02] | Dagmar: | I forgot to swap which unit the coax was plugged into before I left for work today |
| [01:04:06] | abqjp: | Since you got it recently, it is likely to be a rev E2, or some such. |
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| [01:04:30] | Dagmar: | So either I get it working remotely, more or less blind, or I don't get to watch Fringe when I get home tonight. heh |
| [01:04:42] | BobLfoot: | I am trying to configure mythweb and keep getting the Apache Test Page not mythweb – what did I mess up? Can some suggest what to check? I don't know apache that well. |
| [01:04:48] | BobLfoot: | The system is Fedora12 and everything was installed via yum not from source |
| [01:04:54] | abqjp: | Dagmar: why does the rev matter? |
| [01:05:06] | Dagmar: | BobLfoot: Did you feed Apache the configuration file for MythWEb? |
| [01:05:26] | Dagmar: | abqjp: Apparently C1 units need the firmware loaded into them initially |
| [01:05:31] | Dagmar: | ..from Windows |
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| [01:05:48] | abqjp: | Dagmar: true, but C1 units have not been shipped for well over a year. |
| [01:06:12] | Dagmar: | While I am using VirtualBox to do ssh exports here onto Windows 7, I'm not really interested in making my life hell by trying to ssh into the myth box and setting up W7 in a virtualbox just to export the screen back here, etc etc |
| [01:06:28] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: I think show, but please elaborate as to what you mean. I have an /etc/httpd/conf.d/mythweb.conf file if that's what you mean |
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| [01:06:39] | BobLfoot: | *so !show |
| [01:07:01] | Dagmar: | BobLfoot: Which distro are you using and are you SURE Apache is actually reading that? |
| [01:07:24] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: Fedora12 and myth 0.22 isntalled via yum |
| [01:07:36] | Dagmar: | ...and the second half? |
| [01:08:52] | Dagmar: | I'll take the silence to mean "I have no idea how to check that." |
| [01:08:55] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: as I said earlier I know very little of Apache. How do we verify it is reading the mythweb.conf file. It's in the proper directory. And it poisnt to the mythweb installation. |
| [01:09:08] | Dagmar: | Look in /etc/httpd/httpd.conf |
| [01:09:25] | Dagmar: | You will either see a line like this (usually at the bottom) or you won't: |
| [01:09:27] | Dagmar: | Include /etc/httpd/conf.d/*.conf |
| [01:09:41] | Dagmar: | Without it, nothing in /etc/httpd/conf.d/ will have any effect on MythTV |
| [01:09:48] | Dagmar: | If there's *not* one there, you get to add it |
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| [01:10:16] | Dagmar: | If there is one there, you need to make sure the mythweb.conf file is a) world readable and b) you set the path to where MythWeb is *correctly* |
| [01:10:38] | MNIchie_: | I just got a SD subscription and all the analog channels added, but watching live tv does not work. Is there an easy way to myth to give meaningful error message? Tried running it from the terminal, but the only errors was a non descript looking timeout |
| [01:11:27] | kormoc: | check the backend log |
| [01:11:39] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: I have an /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf file but no /etc/httpd/httpd.conf |
| [01:11:54] | Dagmar: | That'll do |
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| [01:12:21] | BobLfoot: | the/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf has a directory declaration for /var/www/html/mythweb section at the bottom |
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| [01:13:04] | Dagmar: | Being that your idewa of "directory declaration" and mine may differ, does that mean there's a line that says "include /etc/httpd/conf.d/*.conf" in there? |
| [01:13:11] | xris: | BobLfoot: sounds like it's not loading the mythweb config |
| [01:13:35] | xris: | I'd recommend reading the INSTALL and README docs that come with mythweb and acting as if you did the install manually |
| [01:13:59] | snarkster: | im trying to locate a suitable PCI video card with svideo out.. can someone give me some suggestions |
| [01:14:21] | Dagmar: | snarkster: FWIW, nVidia 5200 had a PCI model |
| [01:14:30] | Dagmar: | You'll be looking for something around that model number |
| [01:14:38] | snarkster: | awesome |
| [01:14:40] | snarkster: | thank you |
| [01:14:56] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: and xris I pasted from the conf to http://fpaste.org/N6xT/ |
| [01:15:16] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: that way you can see what I am calling a "directory declaration" |
| [01:15:39] | BobLfoot: | xris: let me do some reading |
| [01:15:49] | Dagmar: | BobLfoot: Okay for future reference when I ask a very specific question about whether or not there's an include statement in a particular file, that's what I want to know about |
| [01:15:54] | Dagmar: | Not some other nearly unrelated thing |
| [01:16:23] | Dagmar: | Where your mythweb.conf file leaves means NOTHING to apache until it's actually being read in as a config file |
| [01:16:31] | Dagmar: | s/leave/lives/; |
| [01:16:49] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: looking for your include statement now |
| [01:17:02] | Dagmar: | The stuff you pasted has almost nothing to do with myth |
| [01:19:19] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: found the line Include conf.d/*.conf in the file /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf |
| [01:22:11] | Dagmar: | So where is your mythweb.conf file at? |
| [01:22:59] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: /etc/httpd/conf.d/mythweb.conf |
| [01:23:23] | Dagmar: | It shoudl be getting read then. You will need to look in that file now |
| [01:24:01] | Dagmar: | About 30 lines from the top are some <Directory> sections |
| [01:24:12] | Dagmar: | That path MUST be correct, as stated in the README/INSTALL for Mythweb |
| [01:24:25] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: opening /etc/httpd/conf.d/mythweb.conf with editor |
| [01:29:06] | snarkster: | is this a suitable card? http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.as . . . Video%20Card |
| [01:29:20] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: I appreciate you patience – I have INSTALL from /usr/share/mythweb and /etc/httpd/conf.d/mythweb.conf files both open now. mythweb.conf has <Directory "/usr/share/mythweb"> on line 15 but INSTALL refers to a /var/www/html/data and I'm unsure where Fedora/yum put things when it installed. |
| [01:30:23] | wagnerrp: | snarkster: for what purpose? |
| [01:31:18] | wagnerrp: | specifically, for what content? |
| [01:34:01] | snarkster: | movies |
| [01:34:19] | Dagmar: | BobLfoot: Well, you're going to need to find out where the mythweb files got put then |
| [01:34:22] | wagnerrp: | let me rephrase... what resolution? |
| [01:34:38] | snarkster: | we are on satellite so the mythbox will just be used for encoding my dvd collection and playing internet radio |
| [01:34:48] | snarkster: | standard tv resolution |
| [01:35:12] | snarkster: | we dont have HD |
| [01:35:26] | wagnerrp: | your output is irrelevant, its the resolution of the content |
| [01:35:29] | snarkster: | brb |
| [01:35:32] | wagnerrp: | which DVD, will run fine over PCI |
| [01:35:34] | wagnerrp: | however |
| [01:35:59] | wagnerrp: | the svideo output on modern cards is considerably better than that of an aged one like a 5200 |
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| [01:36:28] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: locate mythweb shows classes, includes, js, modules and skins directories in /usr/share/mythweb/ is that what we're looking for? |
| [01:36:35] | wagnerrp: | and a 8400PCI is going to be insignificantly more expensive than a 5200 |
| [01:36:54] | Dagmar: | They make a PCI 8400? |
| [01:36:55] | MNIchie_: | I cannot watch liveTV I've looked through my backend log, whenever I start trying to watch, this appears in the log |
| [01:36:58] | MNIchie_: | Channel(/dev/video0) Error: InitPictureAttribute( colour): failed to query controls. |
| [01:36:58] | MNIchie_: | eno: Invalid argument (22) |
| [01:37:09] | Dagmar: | BobLfoot: Probably if it's got mythweb.pl in t |
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| [01:37:15] | Dagmar: | s/t/it/; |
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| [01:37:51] | BobLfoot: | /usr/share/mythweb/mythweb.pl located and it does exist |
| [01:37:51] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: i have an 8400 PCI |
| [01:38:22] | wagnerrp: | was like $35 |
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| [01:38:31] | Dagmar: | neat |
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| [01:51:19] | xris: | Dagmar / BobLfoot: check for mythweb.php as well as .pl (the .pl is only used for streaming files out) |
| [01:51:23] | ** xris goes home ** | |
| [01:52:06] | Dagmar: | xris: I know how it works, man |
| [01:52:13] | BobLfoot: | xris: mythweb.php is in /usr/share/mythweb/mythweb.php |
| [01:52:28] | Dagmar: | I just built the thing from scratch again yesterday and knocked two boogs out |
| [01:52:31] | BobLfoot: | xris: I am reading INSTALL and getting more confused. |
| [01:53:34] | BobLfoot: | section 4.1 talks about copying files to /var/www/html from a mythplugins/mythweb directory. |
| [01:53:45] | BobLfoot: | Can't seem to find it. |
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| [01:54:28] | BobLfoot: | MythTV is running great, but setup if MythWeb is quite confusing. |
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| [01:57:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | BobLfoot: You installing from Source? |
| [01:58:10] | Dagmar: | No he's using Fedora pakcages which apparently he needs to file bug reports on as they do not work out of hte box |
| [01:59:20] | MNIchie_: | Have a hauppauge 950Q, trying to use it to watch analog. I have it setup as a v4L device, whenever I go to watch livetv the screen says "Please Wait", then it goes back to the menu page. Anybody have any idea of whats going on? |
| [02:00:46] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: excellent idea – I'll check the Fedora rpm and see who the packager,maintainer is and file a bug |
| [02:05:15] | snarkster: | wagnerrp: true but this machine only has pci slots. |
| [02:05:51] | Dagmar: | BobLfoot: This is smarter than you think, since it means hopefully the NEXT time you upgrade maybe they'll actually check their work and ship a working package |
| [02:06:21] | Dagmar: | I mean, my mythweb-svn23095-i686–1mythtv.tgz package "just works" and it's for Slackware |
| [02:06:52] | Dagmar: | Granted I had to cut a custom apache package just for that conf.d/* thing to work, but the fedora maintainer needs a pinching if he shipped one that didn' work |
| [02:07:21] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: you may recognize the packager name jarod@wilson.net |
| [02:07:32] | Dagmar: | No idea who that is |
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| [02:07:45] | BobLfoot: | rather famous in Fedora circles |
| [02:07:58] | Dagmar: | I don't use Fedora, so... blblbt |
| [02:07:59] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [02:08:07] | kormoc: | Dagmar: aka j-rod |
| [02:08:25] | Dagmar: | So we can point and laugh at him in here later, then? |
| [02:08:26] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: blblbt ?? I don't do chat shortstuff well sorry |
| [02:08:45] | Dagmar: | BobLfoot: That's fine, it's not shorthand. It's onomatopoeia |
| [02:10:01] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: the plot thickens – mythtv and mythweb are not Fedora components they're from the rpmfusion repo. Diffeent bug reporting method, but I'lls till be doing it. |
| [02:10:11] | Dagmar: | BobLfoot: It's rahter likely that once you set the path in mythweb.conf correctly and restart apache you'll be done |
| [02:10:27] | Dagmar: | That's pretty much the only thing, and it's all on that one stanza |
| [02:10:58] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: any suggestions / guesses as to what the correct directory is? |
| [02:11:13] | Dagmar: | The place where mythweb.php and mythweb.pl wound up |
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| [02:11:49] | Dagmar: | here that would be /var/www/htdocs/mythweb, but that's because I've got other things going on there |
| [02:12:01] | snarkster: | whereis mythweb.php. |
| [02:12:35] | Dagmar: | It's all explained in MythWeb's install doc. |
| [02:12:46] | Dagmar: | ...what little there is to esplain |
| [02:12:56] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: thats /usr/share/mythweb but /usr/share/mythweb/data is an empty directory does that seem right? |
| [02:13:24] | Dagmar: | It's generally supposed to be empty |
| [02:13:32] | Dagmar: | It'll also need to be slightly writeable |
| [02:13:40] | Dagmar: | That's where mythweb sticks the thumbnails it generates |
| [02:16:06] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: ls-l shows drwxrwxr-x for /usr/share/mythweb/data that should be ok – right? |
| [02:17:23] | Dagmar: | So long as the group ownership of that directory is the same as the apache httpd you're fine |
| [02:18:22] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: It just can't be easy. Rpmfusion bugzilla needs a security cert to operate. Oh Joy |
| [02:21:27] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: just to confirm http://localhost/mythweb or http://aa.bb.cc.dd/mythweb or http://aa.bb.cc.dd:80/ should launch mythweb if configured properly and aa.bb.cc.dd is my mythbackend / mythweb box rights? |
| [02:21:42] | BobLfoot: | *right ! rights |
| [02:22:10] | Dagmar: | BobLfoot: if it's configured as the install/readme suggest so that it's basically the only thing apache cares about, you don't need the /mythweb part on the URL |
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| [02:22:36] | Dagmar: | One of the things the mythweb.conf file does is changes the default index file name from index.html to mythweb.php |
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| [02:25:51] | SnakesAndStuff: | Hello! |
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| [02:34:56] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: bug 1041 filed at bugzilla.rpmfusion.org — Thanks for all your patience. xris also |
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| [03:06:49] | suprsonic: | anyone good with cable splitters? I've lost sound on several of my cable channels. |
| [03:06:59] | kormoc: | So get a signal amp? |
| [03:07:19] | suprsonic: | you recommend any particular brand? |
| [03:07:24] | kormoc: | nopers |
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| [03:07:42] | iamlindoro: | note that a splitter cannot make you lose audio on a cable channel |
| [03:07:51] | bubba_: | anyone on here that could help me with a jamu problem? |
| [03:08:17] | suprsonic: | what dB does cable tv usally need? |
| [03:08:20] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: What is the issue? |
| [03:08:31] | iamlindoro: | suprsonic, your splitter is not removing audio |
| [03:08:52] | iamlindoro: | video and audio are multiplexed together in digital cable-- you cannot get one without the other |
| [03:08:55] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux: It's having a hard time updating the database after I've moved to a new system |
| [03:09:06] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux: One sec for the exact error |
| [03:09:20] | suprsonic: | iamlindoro: its really odd, cause when I unplug the cable for a quick second and put it back in there is sound, then it goes off. |
| [03:09:44] | suprsonic: | sometimes its only the background music of a show, but no words |
| [03:09:54] | iamlindoro: | suprsonic, indicates that the audio stream is broken in some way, but the split isn't what's breaking it |
| [03:10:07] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: Along with the error (pastbin please) I wan to know 0.22 or trunk, what jamu version and if you are using Mythbuntu or not. |
| [03:10:07] | suprsonic: | tv going bad? |
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| [03:10:22] | bubba_: | RVD_Linux: sure, one sec for pastebin |
| [03:10:25] | iamlindoro: | couldn't tell you, we only deal with MythTv here |
| [03:10:31] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: np |
| [03:10:38] | suprsonic: | thanks for the help iamlindoro |
| [03:10:38] | bubba_: | RVD_Linux: do you remember, I think you helped me a month ago |
| [03:10:47] | bubba_: | RVD_Linux: and I didn't want jamu to move files |
| [03:11:00] | bubba_: | RVD_Linux: so you helped me hack the script to remove the permission check |
| [03:11:16] | bubba_: | RVD_Linux: that is the version of the script that I'm using |
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| [03:11:41] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: Not really but that permission issue was fixed in the latest jamu for even 0.22 |
| [03:11:44] | iamlindoro: | bubba_, type R, then D, then tab |
| [03:11:55] | iamlindoro: | so that it autocompletes and you don't keep mistyping his name ;) |
| [03:12:15] | bubba_: | RVD_Linux: does that mean that it does not do the permission checking anymore? |
| [03:12:21] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [03:12:27] | iamlindoro: | Arr Dee Vee |
| [03:12:42] | bubba_: | RVD_Linux: http://pastebin.com/f2685606d |
| [03:12:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | Who's RVD_Linux? |
| [03:12:50] | ** iamlindoro sighs again ** | |
| [03:13:00] | iamlindoro: | Arr Dee TAB even |
| [03:13:02] | bubba_: | ack |
| [03:13:04] | bubba_: | typo |
| [03:13:12] | BobLfoot: | The Fedora "out of box" setup for mythweb in F12 isn't working. I've pasted my /etc/httpd/conf.d/mythweb.conf file to http://fpaste.org/fhaf and the output of locate mythweb to http://fpaste.org/OU14/. I'm stumped as to where it might be broken. I've read the INSTALL and README and spent time here earlier tonight to no avail so far. |
| [03:13:14] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: What I am referring to is that jamu does only requires read-only permission to the video directories unless you are trying to move a video file. |
| [03:13:15] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux: http://pastebin.com/f2685606d |
| [03:13:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | bubba_: lots of typos – iamlindoro was trying to tell you that... |
| [03:13:44] | kormoc: | BobLfoot: and what happens when you go to the ip? |
| [03:13:47] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux: ah, perfect, maybe I should update the script |
| [03:13:48] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: looking at pastebin now be back in a bit |
| [03:14:05] | bubba_: | J-e-f-f-A, iamlindoro: thx didn't know tab-completion worked here |
| [03:14:23] | BobLfoot: | kormac : I get the Fedora Test page for apache |
| [03:14:24] | iamlindoro: | channel/network doesn't matter, it's your client that does it |
| [03:14:48] | kormoc: | BobLfoot: when you go to ip/mythweb/ ? |
| [03:14:55] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: See #1 at this link: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu#This_stupid_t . . . _not_work.21 |
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| [03:15:29] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: I'm ever amused that after correcting a user, a different user starts getting my nick wrong... |
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| [03:15:46] | kormoc: | %s/after correcting/after you corrected/ |
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| [03:16:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: hehehe, I was thinking the same thing... |
| [03:16:02] | iamlindoro: | Oh get over it kormack ;) |
| [03:16:07] | BobLfoot: | kormac : let me update that I now get "The requested URL/mythweb was not found on this server" |
| [03:16:15] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
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| [03:16:42] | kormoc: | BabLfaat: and the apache error log says? |
| [03:16:49] | iamlindoro: | Boba Fett? |
| [03:17:17] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [03:17:18] | BobLfoot: | kormoc location of the log would be? |
| [03:17:28] | kormoc: | check with your distro provider? |
| [03:17:31] | wagnerrp: | the folder where logs usually exist on linux |
| [03:17:57] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: Yes please update the script as as the persmisions change was made in v0.5.9 but you want the latest for 0.22+fixes which is v0.6.0 |
| [03:19:48] | BobLfoot: | kormoc : tail /var/log/httpd/error_log shows File does not exit /var/www/html/mythweb |
| [03:19:56] | BobLfoot: | *exist !exit |
| [03:20:26] | kormoc: | So verify that config is even being loaded? |
| [03:20:53] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, don't mean to ignore you, I've gotten past the db problem and I'm trying to get my dirs/ in order |
| [03:22:24] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: Never felt ignored I need four hand and multiple keyboards tonight;) |
| [03:22:33] | BobLfoot: | kormoc: went thru where the config is with Dagmar earlier. And from what we could tell it was in the proper folder to be loaded. Is there another way to confirm loading? |
| [03:23:03] | kormoc: | BobLfoot: I'm sure there is, but I don't know offhand what it'd be. Perhaps checking google or apache's docs |
| [03:23:43] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, OK, I think it's working now |
| [03:23:51] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: The latest version of jamu has a new display of the video and image directories it will use. Just run jamu with the -MVf option and the new display is at the very top of the output |
| [03:24:04] | BobLfoot: | kormoc: the real killer here is that mythweb.conf is pointing to /usr/share/mythweb not the /var/www/html/mythweb |
| [03:24:18] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, one other problem that I was having before is that jamu was finding everything for the TV shows, but not the movies |
| [03:24:33] | kormoc: | because the top of mythweb.conf aliases /var/www/html/mythweb to point to /user/share/mythweb |
| [03:24:33] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, I'll have to confirm that same problem when this jamu run is complete |
| [03:24:48] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, any suggestions on common reasons? |
| [03:24:50] | MNIchie_: | ok, officially lost here. I can't get mythtv to play live tv or record. I have the hauppauge 950Q (which says it is supported). If anyone has any hints on this please share |
| [03:25:22] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: That could only be one of two things the movie file naming convention cannot be parsed by jamu or TMDB was having issues. |
| [03:26:15] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: If it happens again then I would need a specific video file name to look at and/or try locally. |
| [03:26:32] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, I couldn't imagine the movie names being bad.. they're named the title of the move... |
| [03:26:39] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, yeah, this is a bad report |
| [03:26:55] | bubba_: | RDV, let me see if I can get a run with a movie file to fail and I'll get back to you |
| [03:27:01] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, , let me see if I can get a run with a movie file to fail and I'll get back to you |
| [03:27:26] | BobLfoot: | kormoc: found a patch for now: went to /var/www/html and executed command ln -s /usr/share/mythweb ./mythweb and it works. |
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| [03:27:36] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: Will be around for a few more hours. |
| [03:27:58] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, I really appreciate the help (as always).. .shouldn't take more than 10 mins |
| [03:28:47] | Dagmar: | Hmm... that recording was only 1.6Gb in size |
| [03:29:20] | ** Dagmar investigates ** | |
| [03:29:54] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: after all we went thru apache was looking in /var/www/html and not /usr/share/mythweb even though the mythweb.conf trys to point ti there. |
| [03:30:27] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar – mythweb is patched and works now. Added a cheater of a sym link. |
| [03:30:36] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, http://pastebin.com/f731bb281 |
| [03:30:48] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, I can definately see that some movies imdb number isn't found |
| [03:30:54] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: looking now |
| [03:32:08] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, I'd also like to add that I had tried to enter IMDB numbers manually and I couldn't get that working either |
| [03:32:55] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, I take back that last statement, it isn't entirely true |
| [03:33:09] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, that was only for some files, not all |
| [03:33:30] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, most files I could just do the "update metadata" menu selection and everything was fine |
| [03:33:54] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: The issue is that the video's in MythVideo do not have reference numbers, Try rerunning kamu with the -MGV options and Jamu will guess at the right movies then run with the -MIV options to interactively select the movies that jamu could not guess at. |
| [03:34:19] | RDV_Linux: | s/kamu/jamu/ |
| [03:34:33] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/imdbpy.py: not found |
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| [03:34:48] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, lemme see if it's in a different dir |
| [03:35:20] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, yeah, it's looking in /usr/local, but the script is just in /usr/ |
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| [03:35:51] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: You can set the location in the jamu.conf file |
| [03:36:42] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: Note in the next Myth release imdb.py is removed as it doers not work any more and in fact may not function for you also. |
| [03:36:44] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, under movies-secondary, tv-secondary? |
| [03:37:13] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, ack, that sucks |
| [03:37:41] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: In movies-secondary-sources |
| [03:37:50] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, I'm getting a "Traceback" looks like a stack dump |
| [03:37:56] | iamlindoro: | So back to proper Fringe tonight where the dead are dead and the living are living |
| [03:38:34] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, it's choking on file names or something |
| [03:38:39] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: I was going to ask you as I thought the one gut was dead and could not remember when he came back. |
| [03:39:21] | wagnerrp: | and the skinwalkers no longer roam the halls looking for children to exorcise |
| [03:39:23] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, Heh, he didn't, it was an unaired episode from S01 |
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| [03:39:32] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: pastebin please but it would be better that you comment out the movies-secondary-sources |
| [03:39:52] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: more fool me |
| [03:39:55] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, http://pastebin.com/f5ebf1a5c |
| [03:40:03] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: ive got a link to a blog discussing it, if you want me to dig it up |
| [03:40:09] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, will comment out movies-second now |
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| [03:41:01] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: yes it is the imdb.py issue we were just talking about |
| [03:41:16] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, is there a workaround? |
| [03:41:49] | wagnerrp: | hey look at that, i havent changed the bindings enough to break mythfs since my last mount |
| [03:41:54] | wagnerrp: | ... must not be working hard enough |
| [03:42:23] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: No. As I said that script is not supported and was removed from trunk. |
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| [03:43:48] | wagnerrp: | is that a klingon? |
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| [03:44:07] | wagnerrp: | no, just looks like one from the 'good' side |
| [03:44:35] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, does that mean that you can no longer pull movie art/info or just that the secondary sources are disabled? |
| [03:44:46] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Does that fringe epsiode have its own episode number? |
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| [03:45:18] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, nah, it's in order w/ 2x##, just that it's aired out of order |
| [03:45:30] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, I think this update run may have answered my question... it is at least claiming that it's "Updated Mythdb for video" |
| [03:46:04] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: Just that the are no secondary source scripts for movies unless someone writes one that follows the TOS of the source. |
| [03:46:05] | wagnerrp: | http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43586 |
| [03:47:27] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, this seems to be doing well.. thank you for development and support work! |
| [03:48:53] | wagnerrp: | 2.9GB tonight for fringe |
| [03:49:00] | bubba_: | unrelated question to the jamu discussion we've been having.... I have one channel out of my cable lineup that I can't get to record on my Motorolla 6200 over firewire |
| [03:49:02] | wagnerrp: | they must be improving their encoders more! |
| [03:49:12] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: np and when 0.23 is released try the new MythNetvision plugin at a special introductory price (free). |
| [03:49:29] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, for online content? |
| [03:49:36] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: yes |
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| [03:50:08] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, that is very very cool! I have tried a few times to integrate boxee or xbmc into mythtv |
| [03:50:18] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, but I've never come up with anything I really like |
| [03:50:21] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: your Motorolla 6200 question is out of my depth |
| [03:50:47] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, I welcome an integrated (plugin) online player |
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| [03:51:18] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, yeah, I have a pretty sweet mythtv setup the only caveat is that Fox (dunno where you are) doesn't come in on the HD channel |
| [03:51:37] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: You could try mirobridge which does Internet video it is in 0.22 now. See: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MiroBridge |
| [03:51:52] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, so it's SD, which is annoying since everything (5.1 surround sound aside- damn linux sound) is perfect |
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| [03:53:59] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, I believe that I've tinkered with that, but I don't remember what the outcome is... it's not installed now, so either I couldn't find content I cared about or I had a technical problem |
| [03:54:51] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, some video files were not found |
| [03:55:00] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, correction, movies |
| [03:55:17] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, is there a correct way to follow up and get them right? |
| [03:55:36] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, 'I' option? |
| [03:57:12] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: Yes run jamu -MIV to do an interactive session and clean up the last ones. It may take some time totally depended on how many are left. |
| [03:57:54] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, hmm... seems to be hung |
| [03:59:08] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: I have no idea how responsive TMDB and TVDB are so as I said it can take some time. |
| [03:59:45] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, gotcha... I don't see any children of the jamu process |
| [04:00:00] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, I will be patient |
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| [04:00:40] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: You are not using secondary sources so there is only one process. |
| [04:01:26] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, thanks for the info... didn't know if it exec'd or not |
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| [04:01:57] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: At one time it did but not for a long time now. |
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| [04:02:21] | Dagmar: | Awesome. Kernel dumps in my syslog |
| [04:02:24] | Speedy2: | What's up with the Motorola 6200 box? |
| [04:05:39] | Dagmar: | What do you mean? |
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| [04:05:55] | bubba_: | it records all channels that I pay for, except one |
| [04:06:13] | bubba_: | Speedy2, it records all channels that I pay for, except one (Fox HD) |
| [04:06:29] | bubba_: | Speedy2, is there a way to determine if the channel is encryped or not |
| [04:06:39] | Speedy2: | Does it have firewire? |
| [04:06:47] | Speedy2: | What's the model number? |
| [04:07:42] | bubba_: | yes, I'm recording over firewire |
| [04:08:00] | Dagmar: | Encryption is probably why it didn't record that then |
| [04:08:15] | bubba_: | ctb-6200, I'm not sure where it is on the stb... lemme double check |
| [04:08:15] | Speedy2: | But you can probably get FoxHD via ATSC |
| [04:08:31] | bubba_: | Speedy2, ATSC == antenna? |
| [04:08:40] | bubba_: | Speedy2, OTA |
| [04:09:10] | Speedy2: | ATSC == OTA == antenna |
| [04:09:15] | bubba_: | Speedy2, I have had limited success with antennas... I am in a condo |
| [04:09:18] | Speedy2: | hrm |
| [04:09:24] | Speedy2: | You want a great solution? |
| [04:09:36] | bubba_: | I would love a _great_ solution |
| [04:09:39] | Speedy2: | Run the center conductor to some large piece of metal and hook it with an alligator clip |
| [04:09:48] | Speedy2: | That works magically for me. |
| [04:10:21] | Speedy2: | Just make sure it's not AC |
| [04:10:23] | bubba_: | Speedy2, thanks for the tip, I will do that if I can't get FW to work |
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| [04:10:29] | Dagmar: | Weird. My httpd caused the kernel panic |
| [04:10:42] | bubba_: | Speedy2, I'm not entirely sure how to hook ATSC into my PC though |
| [04:10:49] | bubba_: | Speedy2, anyway I can find that out on my own |
| [04:10:52] | Speedy2: | bubba_: You can buy a USB/ATSC adapter for pretty cheap. |
| [04:10:57] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [04:11:02] | Dagmar: | ATSC isn't real hard |
| [04:11:19] | bubba_: | Speedy2, that would be nice too because then I could have a secondary tuner (on some channels) for free! (nearly free) |
| [04:11:29] | wagnerrp: | s/adapter/tuner/ |
| [04:11:34] | Speedy2: | bubba_: You could have several of the USB/ATSC adapters for not much $$ |
| [04:11:52] | bubba_: | Speedy2, very true, if your solution works for me :) |
| [04:12:05] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: My first HD-PVR recording, one hour, 1.6Gb. Welll... I *tried* to get it to work in a hurry. heh |
| [04:12:40] | bubba_: | Speedy2, where the heck is this model number on the 6200? |
| [04:12:42] | Speedy2: | bubba_: Try to clip to something like a window frame (as an example) |
| [04:12:46] | Speedy2: | bubba_: Try the bottom |
| [04:12:50] | Speedy2: | Is it cable or verizon? |
| [04:12:55] | bubba_: | Cable |
| [04:12:59] | Speedy2: | DCT6200 |
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| [04:13:07] | bubba_: | yeah, I'm 99% sure that's it |
| [04:13:32] | bubba_: | Speedy2, can I determine if the channel is encrypted? |
| [04:13:43] | Speedy2: | The cable company can mark certain channels " high value" so it won't send it across Firewire without encryption (5C) |
| [04:13:45] | Dagmar: | yep. hit up the wiki for "5c" |
| [04:13:50] | Dagmar: | There's a way to tell |
| [04:14:00] | bubba_: | Speedy2, I had problems with other channels before and I changed the speed of the FW port |
| [04:14:10] | Dagmar: | ...and it's not a "high value" thing. |
| [04:14:14] | bubba_: | now everything is rocking except that one channel |
| [04:14:16] | Speedy2: | Are you using a VIA IEEE-1394? |
| [04:14:29] | Speedy2: | Dagmar: That's the name cable companies use. |
| [04:14:30] | bubba_: | how would I check |
| [04:14:31] | Speedy2: | phrase. |
| [04:14:35] | Dagmar: | It's flat out a matter of "This channel is broadcast by someone who is a member of the Five Company Copyright Cartel" |
| [04:14:37] | Speedy2: | bubba_: lspci |
| [04:14:58] | Speedy2: | Dagmar: 5C inclues people like Intel . 5C is the encryption standard, not broadcasters. |
| [04:15:05] | Dagmar: | Speedy2: Yes, well, if I believed everything the cable company people say, I'd be in line for a lobotomy |
| [04:15:20] | Speedy2: | I'm not talking about their customer service people. |
| [04:15:29] | bubba_: | 07:00.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Agere Systems FW322/323 (rev 61) |
| [04:15:29] | bubba_: | 07:03.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB22/A IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link) |
| [04:15:38] | Dagmar: | Speedy2: I'm not joking baout the "Five Company" thing. |
| [04:15:39] | Dagmar: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Transmis . . . t_Protection |
| [04:15:46] | Speedy2: | Dagmar: I know more about it than you might think. |
| [04:15:54] | hipitihop: | Is backend-frontend compatible with the nvidia 195 driver ? I just switched from 185 and now no backend or frontend starts up |
| [04:16:00] | bubba_: | I had to call my cable company to get them to enable the FW port |
| [04:16:01] | Speedy2: | 5C is the encryption standard. |
| [04:16:08] | Speedy2: | But Comcast is not part of 5C. |
| [04:16:13] | Speedy2: | (for example) |
| [04:16:24] | bubba_: | really? |
| [04:16:29] | bubba_: | Comcast is my provider |
| [04:16:32] | Speedy2: | I know |
| [04:16:45] | Speedy2: | Comcast is not a company involved in the development of 5C. But they use it. |
| [04:16:50] | Speedy2: | (on your firewire link) |
| [04:17:21] | bubba_: | hipitihop, the nvidia driver and the mythtv startup scripts would be unrelated |
| [04:17:38] | bubba_: | hipitihop, what distro are you using? |
| [04:18:57] | hipitihop: | bubba_, that would make sense, but why suddenly after last update-manager update/upgrade and then disable of nvidia 185 and enable of nvidia 195, is ther enow no backend or frontend starting up and conctrol center complains about dependencies ? |
| [04:19:27] | [R]: | hipitihop: what does the log say? |
| [04:19:30] | Speedy2: | bubba_: The TI IC might be the one inside the STB. Sounds like Agere is your IEEE controller. |
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| [04:19:51] | bubba_: | hipitihop, it's likely the update-manager upgrade did something and not the graphics driver update |
| [04:20:04] | bubba_: | hipitihop, which version of Linux are you running? |
| [04:20:21] | hipitihop: | ubuntu 9.10 |
| [04:20:40] | hipitihop: | checking mythbackend.log |
| [04:21:53] | hipitihop: | hmm nothing really there |
| [04:21:53] | bubba_: | hipitihop, ugh... I'm not sure what ubuntu uses for "services" |
| [04:22:07] | bubba_: | hipitihop, can you start them manually? |
| [04:22:33] | bubba_: | hipitihop, is it just that you can't start them on boot |
| [04:22:59] | bubba_: | hipitihop, what is the dependency that is complained about? |
| [04:23:28] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, 10 minutes+ in interactive mode with no prompt |
| [04:23:33] | hipitihop: | bubba_, after the first reboot and noticing frontend didn't start I went to menus and it wasn't there either... control center still there and when I checked it had "no back end" and "no frontend" and complained about dependencies when I tried to enable both |
| [04:24:00] | hipitihop: | wasn't specific about dependencies |
| [04:24:28] | bubba_: | hipitihop, I would probably suggest re-installing mythfrontend and backend... I'm really not an expert though so I wouldn't know exactly how to do that cleanly |
| [04:24:45] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: Kill jamu with a few ctrl+c's in a row. The see is the tvdb and tmdb web sites are responsive. |
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| [04:25:10] | bubba_: | hipitihop, I could probably help you get it going if they just weren't starting at boot, but if the install is borked, I'm probably not qualified |
| [04:25:15] | hipitihop: | bubba_, eek, I trust that means my existing re recordings are safe |
| [04:25:45] | bubba_: | hipitihop, that you can check with 'ls /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/' |
| [04:26:11] | hipitihop: | bubba_, just in the middle of switching from the 195 to 190 and if that doesn't work then I switch back to 185 and then see what I can enable |
| [04:26:18] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: The responsive test is not always a perfect indicator as there are caching sites but it may reveal something. Try the -MIV at a later time. |
| [04:26:49] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, site loads in browser |
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| [04:27:50] | hipitihop: | what log should I look at to see what happened in the last update-manager run ? |
| [04:28:06] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: both sites are also good for me. So I really can add not more assuming you actually got updates on the -MGV run as it is really the same code. |
| [04:28:38] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, hmm... I can update them through the mythvideo UI |
| [04:28:50] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, does it use the same backend as the script? |
| [04:29:41] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: I am not sure what you are referring to with the "backend" question. Jamu only runs on a backend. |
| [04:30:34] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, what I mean is whatever code is used behind the mythvideo UI |
| [04:30:35] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: If you have multiple myth BE's you need to run Jamu on each of them that have video files. |
| [04:30:45] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, single backend |
| [04:31:05] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, What I'm asking is- Does mythvideo's UI use jamu? |
| [04:31:18] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, or do they share some code that pulls the info/art? |
| [04:31:29] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, or are they independent? |
| [04:31:39] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: No Jamu is seperate code then what MythVideo uses. Although the grabber some of the grabber code is shared. |
| [04:31:57] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, gotcha, because the UI works, but jamu is hanging |
| [04:32:36] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, was just curious |
| [04:32:54] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: If -MGV worked then I have no idea what the issue may be. The issue you describe is a first for me. |
| [04:33:20] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: Are you running jamu remotely? |
| [04:33:26] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, interesting |
| [04:33:43] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, the ^C commands never succeeded |
| [04:33:52] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, yes, I'm generally sshing into the system |
| [04:34:06] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, I could try through VNC |
| [04:34:29] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, nevermind, last ^C did cancel now |
| [04:35:00] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: I only ask as the issue seems seems to be an interface one rather than a processing issue. I may be you are not seeing the interface displayed and it is waiting for a response from you. |
| [04:35:36] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, that is a good lead, but usually scripts don't have that type of behavior from my experiece |
| [04:35:48] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: I am not familiar enough with ssh to help you on this one. |
| [04:35:51] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, also, ssh is pretty solid |
| [04:36:00] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, I will try from VNC anyway |
| [04:36:08] | Dagmar: | huh? |
| [04:36:11] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: good luck |
| [04:36:14] | hipitihop: | bubba_, please see http://paste.ubuntu.com/356881/ around line 529 it seems to start to remove packages |
| [04:36:30] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, thank you again |
| [04:36:35] | hipitihop: | bubba_, this is todays extract from dpkg.log |
| [04:36:38] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: np |
| [04:37:27] | Dagmar: | Ahah... 1280x720 and h.264 might explain the file size |
| [04:37:58] | bubba_: | hipitihop, I'm no expert |
| [04:38:08] | bubba_: | hipitihop, but this looks bad: 2010-01–15 13:09:56 remove mythtv-backend-master 0.22.0+fixes22594–0ubuntu1 0.22.0+fixes22594–0ubuntu1 |
| [04:38:21] | Dagmar: | ssh should behave no differently from telnet |
| [04:38:47] | bubba_: | VNC->open terminal seems hung on jamu MIV too |
| [04:39:02] | bubba_: | hipitihop, this looks really bad too: 2010-01–15 13:09:56 remove mythtv 0.22.0+fixes22594–0ubuntu1 0.22.0+fixes22594–0ubuntu1 |
| [04:40:33] | hipitihop: | bubba_, indeed |
| [04:40:35] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: The only jamu ssh related comment on the wiki probably does not have any bearing but here is is "One user pointed out that the utility 'PuTTY' (a Telnet and SSH client) was defaulting to 'latin-1' and therefore converting the TV series title so that TV series searches never found a result." |
| [04:40:51] | bubba_: | hipitihop, when I search that file for 'mythtv' I only see "remove" and "status" lines and never "installed" |
| [04:41:12] | bubba_: | hipitihop, how is your hard drive partitioned? |
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| [04:42:10] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, that is interesting... I use putty regularly... but neither of my recent failed attempts were using it |
| [04:42:29] | hipitihop: | bubba_, I'd have to check, I istalled strieght from mythbuntu live cd so it did the rest. |
| [04:42:53] | bubba_: | hipitihop, you probably have an LVM and it's getting out of my depth |
| [04:43:04] | bubba_: | hipitihop, I can tell you how I partition my HDD |
| [04:43:15] | hipitihop: | bubba_, btw, va/lib/mythv/recordings seems to have everything |
| [04:43:27] | bubba_: | hipitihop, I have a partition for the OS and then one for recordings |
| [04:43:47] | bubba_: | hipitihop, so if I need to re-install the OS it doesn't impact the recordings |
| [04:43:59] | bubba_: | hipitihop, anyway, that's not the situation you're in |
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| [04:44:13] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: The jamu interface only uses stdout and stdin cannot get simpler then that so I have nothing more to suggest. |
| [04:44:19] | bubba_: | hipitihop, I'm not an expert enough to tell you how to backup stuff and reinstall |
| [04:44:37] | hipitihop: | bubba_, makes good sense. I was really just experimenting, first time mythtv user on a brand new ion pc I put together and been running live since :-) |
| [04:44:37] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, I don't mean to drag you on on this... don't worry abou that |
| [04:44:53] | hipitihop: | bubba_, np, thanks for your help |
| [04:45:06] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, I can play around with it and I'm not on the latest verison of jamu anyway |
| [04:45:15] | bubba_: | hipitihop, you can try to re-install mythtv |
| [04:45:19] | RDV_Linux: | bubba_: If you find the answer then it would be nice to add it to the wiki |
| [04:45:35] | bubba_: | hipitihop, if it were me... |
| [04:45:43] | bubba_: | hipitihop, I would backup the database |
| [04:45:48] | bubba_: | hipitihop, and then try to re-install |
| [04:46:08] | bubba_: | hipitihop, it's possible that the "remove" operation wiped out your database (I really don't know) |
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| [04:46:31] | bubba_: | hipitihop, I mean, re-install mythtv, not the whole OS yet |
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| [04:46:54] | bubba_: | RDV_Linux, I'd be glad to add it to the wiki if I figure it out |
| [04:47:13] | bubba_: | I have a random usage question about remote controlls too |
| [04:47:36] | bubba_: | what do you map the directional keys (pad) to? |
| [04:47:54] | bubba_: | I have up for big fast forwards and right for little ones |
| [04:48:11] | bubba_: | but that doesn't work when you're browsing the channels |
| [04:48:18] | bubba_: | (sorry my terminology is terrible) |
| [04:48:50] | Dagmar: | *facepalm* |
| [04:48:56] | Dagmar: | Now I know why I'm having ALSA problems |
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| [04:49:14] | Dagmar: | I forgot to reenable the onboard sound chipset when I took out the SoundBlaster |
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| [04:55:53] | jst: | I'm trying to do a custom record, and I'd like programs to record whenever the subtitle or description of a program contains certain words. (program.subtitle OR program.description REGEXP '(DC|Washington|Maryland)') is not working, but (program.subtitle REGEXP '(DC|Washington|Maryland)' OR program.description REGEXP '(DC|Washington|Maryland)') does work. Is there a better way to write this rule? |
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| [04:57:19] | Dagmar: | Yes, you wrote it |
| [04:57:31] | jst: | That's the most precise way of doing it? |
| [04:57:42] | Dagmar: | The first version you wrote was just broken, afaict |
| [04:58:09] | jst: | Okay, is there a way to copy/paste when writing custom records? I read that it uses emacs shortcuts, but ^K doesn't do crap. |
| [04:58:10] | kormoc: | well, you *could* do CONCAT(program.subtitle, ' ', program.description) REGEXP '(DC|Washington|Maryland)' |
| [04:58:21] | Dagmar: | It winds up trying to OR program.subtitle and program.description together as far as I know |
| [04:58:30] | kormoc: | but it'll break all sorts of index joy |
| [04:59:21] | Dagmar: | justinh: With pattern matching, the least visually verbose is not necessarily the fastest-executing |
| [04:59:34] | ** Dagmar stabs nickcomplete in it's stupid face. ** | |
| [04:59:57] | jst: | haha |
| [05:00:40] | jst: | So no way to copy/paste into custom recordings rules? |
| [05:00:46] | Dagmar: | I so seldom kill my BitchX client I go through hell for a week afterwards because all the binds and so forth that I disabled and unset get turned back on. I never remember to put them in the rc file, but this time I'm adding each one as I go |
| [05:04:57] | Dagmar: | I feel cheated |
| [05:05:04] | hipitihop: | bubba_, ok trying now, had to switch back to the 185 nvidia and reboot and then could follow the trail of dependencies back to nvidia 185 pau packages, once I idecided to add that it is now allowing me to install mythtv again so fingers crossed |
| [05:05:12] | Dagmar: | No one told me that occasionally HD-PVR recordings can come out _smaller_ than PVR-500 recordings |
| [05:05:39] | wagnerrp: | if you run it VBR |
| [05:05:49] | wagnerrp: | apparently its recommended to run CBR at a high bitrate |
| [05:06:08] | [R]: | apparently? |
| [05:06:26] | wagnerrp: | speaking from no personal experience |
| [05:06:32] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Honestly I didn't change much |
| [05:06:59] | Dagmar: | Literally I got to the office, realized I forgot to move the coax back to the PVR-500, and said "Oh crap! I have to make that record Fringe!" |
| [05:07:16] | Dagmar: | I ran mythtv-setup over an ssh tunnel into a VM |
| [05:07:52] | Dagmar: | I'm just letting flowplayer play it back now to see if it's actually all there |
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| [05:14:35] | abqjp: | Dagmar: at default bit-rates, it will come out smaller. H.264 is a much more efficient than mpeg2. I use max bitrate VBR which produces around 2.6GB/hr for 720p and around 3.4GB/hr for 1080i. If you go max bitrate CBR, those sizes can double. I only CBR for fast-action (sporting events). |
| [05:15:35] | [R]: | space is free... as soon as i fix my usb... im gonna do everything at max cbr |
| [05:15:35] | abqjp: | Dagmar: unless you change it, the default bit rate is only half of what the device is capable of. |
| [05:15:37] | Dagmar: | I was in a hurry but I didn't veen see a place to set that |
| [05:15:47] | abqjp: | recording profiles. |
| [05:16:02] | Dagmar: | Well, yeah, but I just picked High Quality in a bit of a panic |
| [05:16:13] | Dagmar: | I'll poke at it more when I get hom |
| [05:16:30] | Dagmar: | Moving around the frontend setup menus over a distant ssh tunnel is a serious pain in the ass |
| [05:16:42] | abqjp: | Been using my HD-PVR since before official support was put in, so I have no idea what High Quality defaults to. |
| [05:17:01] | Dagmar: | Usually it means "As large as you can get" |
| [05:17:19] | bubba_: | hipitihop, I don't really know what your problem is... I must say that I am surprised there is an inter-dependency between your graphic driver and mythtv |
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| [05:18:07] | Dagmar: | Someone broke their dependency data |
| [05:18:38] | Dagmar: | abqjp: ooh! You wouldn't happen to know a more "meaningful" translation of 0xf firmware would you? |
| [05:20:41] | abqjp: | Dagmar: you have the latest firmware. |
| [05:21:59] | abqjp: | Dagmar: woops, no you don't. The latest firmware shows up as 0x12. |
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| [05:24:37] | MNIchie_: | Can somebody go through their mythbackend log and tell me if this is normal, the channel this was actually on was channel 2. No idea why it is saying 1002(livetv/recording is also not working). "Finished recording Jimmy Kimmel Live: channel 1002" |
| [05:25:07] | Dagmar: | abqjp: Yeah but I'm just going to have to load the software on my W7 box and upgrade blindly at the rate things are doing |
| [05:25:23] | Dagmar: | er going. I've found no correlation to actual decimal versions |
| [05:25:34] | [R]: | MNIchie_: 1002 is the channel id in the database |
| [05:25:46] | abqjp: | MNIchie_: the 1000 part is the "line up". |
| [05:26:35] | MNIchie_: | hoped I had found my error, back the drawing board |
| [05:26:38] | abqjp: | MNIchie_: if you had two schedule direct line-ups (OTA, and Satellite for example), you could have 1002 and 2002 to represent channel two on the different soruces. |
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| [05:27:52] | abqjp: | Dagmar: I ran 0xf for a LONG time without any problems. 0x12 is suppose to fix a rare lock-up, and improve AV sync. |
| [05:28:28] | abqjp: | Dagmar: however, that rare lock-up can brick the HD-PVR, so don't wait too long to update. |
| [05:28:55] | Dagmar: | Yeah I'll be doing an update to it tonight |
| [05:29:24] | Dagmar: | Especially after hearing that |
| [05:29:52] | Dagmar: | I just lost a 500Gb Seagate because of an "eventual self-destruct firmware bug" that gave me JUST enough warning to backup my data |
| [05:32:16] | abqjp: | Dagmar: I have never actually talked to anyone that had that lock up happen to them, but Hauppauge said that was one of the things fixed, so.... |
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| [07:39:49] | iamlindoro: | I disagree |
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| [08:02:02] | Tanthrix: | Hrm. Why the hell am I getting video tearing when I've got V-sync turned on... |
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| [08:02:16] | justinh: | Tanthrix: is it enabled in nvidia settings? |
| [08:02:32] | justinh: | Tanthrix: I found I had to restart mythfrontend after changing the nvidia setting |
| [08:02:57] | Tanthrix: | justinh: Aye. Both for GL and Xv. I'm actually just testing in mplayer right now – haven't gotten to installing myth yet. |
| [08:03:07] | Tanthrix: | Even does it if I use vdpau, too. |
| [08:03:14] | justinh: | you may even have to restart X |
| [08:03:29] | justinh: | though AFAIK nvidia settings says you only need restart the app |
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| [08:04:31] | Tanthrix: | No dice either. Very weird. |
| [08:04:34] | justinh: | so, you need to enable vsync in both mythfrontend *and* nvidia-settings |
| [08:04:54] | justinh: | does mplayer have a commandline option for it? I'd have thought it did |
| [08:05:06] | Tanthrix: | Well, as I said, haven't gotten to myth yet. I'm a few hours into a fresh install with Ubuntu, which I've never used before. |
| [08:05:20] | Tanthrix: | On my previous system I never had any tearing, nor did I have to pass anything with mplayer. |
| [08:05:38] | Tanthrix: | If mplayer was using Xv as its video output, and it was set in nvidia-settings, you were golden. (Or gl respectively) |
| [08:05:49] | justinh: | figures |
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| [08:06:02] | justinh: | I've not played with mplayer lately |
| [08:06:18] | Tanthrix: | Any chance it could be gnome? I've never been a fan of these big WMs... |
| [08:06:30] | justinh: | don't think so |
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| [08:12:37] | justinh: | really helps us help you get to the nub of the problem |
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| [08:13:41] | justinh: | Tanthrix: I was gonna ask if you were entirely sure the drivers were installed ok, but nvidia-settings works |
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| [08:14:26] | ** justinh wonders in which cases people wouldn't want video frame drawing to be synced to the vertical interval, anyway ** | |
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| [08:14:58] | justinh: | duh, I want my video playback all laggy & torn :D |
| [08:15:49] | Tanthrix: | justinh: I was thinking that myself, but nvidia-settings works, and moving the video brightness controls up and down while video is playing does what it's supposed to. |
| [08:17:34] | justinh: | aye if nvidia-settings doesn't complain when you open it, it should all be fine |
| [08:17:40] | Tanthrix: | Now I feel bad for mocking everyone that comes in here with video card problems. This is the first time I've had issues with an nvidia card in 5 years. |
| [08:17:57] | justinh: | I wouldn't feel too bad. I naively assumed it' |
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| [08:18:05] | k_ross: | did you turn off compositing in xorg.conf? |
| [08:18:09] | justinh: | it'd just be fine when I first tried out my 8400 |
| [08:18:16] | justinh: | I think I did actually ^^ |
| [08:18:48] | justinh: | or rather I used dpkg-xorg-reconfigure IIRC |
| [08:18:51] | Tanthrix: | k_ross: No mention of compositing in my xorg..do you recall what to add to disable it? |
| [08:19:37] | k_ross: | Section "Extensions" |
| [08:19:45] | k_ross: | Option "Composite" "Disable" |
| [08:19:52] | k_ross: | EndSection |
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| [08:21:29] | Tanthrix: | k_ross: One sec, I'll try it. |
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| [08:24:31] | Tanthrix: | k_ross: You're my hero. |
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| [08:24:32] | k_ross: | cash will do, thanks :) |
| [08:24:43] | k_ross: | i'm pretty sure it's in the myth wiki |
| [08:24:43] | justinh: | heh I did the same but with a commandline tool |
| [08:24:44] | Tanthrix: | The check's in the mail. Thanks ;) |
| [08:25:09] | justinh: | apparently there's now a compiz setting for that aswell |
| [08:25:09] | justinh: | well compiz-fusion or whatever junk they call it |
| [08:25:34] | k_ross: | if you run nvidia-settings with a special command line argument it will add that to the xorg.conf for you |
| [08:25:41] | k_ross: | yeah compiz-fusion won't work without it |
| [08:26:27] | Tanthrix: | So why isn't this composite thing disabled by default? Or does it not always cause issues with tearing? |
| [08:26:46] | k_ross: | i don't know, i didn't create the mythbuntu distro |
| [08:26:57] | Tanthrix: | This is plane jane Ubuntu. |
| [08:27:00] | justinh: | ah |
| [08:27:10] | justinh: | mythbuntu doesn't come with silly junk enabled |
| [08:27:32] | Tanthrix: | I considered going that route, but I like to setup everything myself. Possibly a mistake. |
| [08:27:32] | justinh: | they figure most people using mythbuntu won't want to spin mythfrontend around on the faces of a cube :D |
| [08:27:32] | k_ross: | sorry, bad assumption on my part. i don't use mythbuntu or ubuntu |
| [08:28:17] | justinh: | see after all the fuss made about compiz etc, linux desktop environments still mostly hurt |
| [08:29:08] | Tanthrix: | k_ross: It's new to me as well. I've been using Arch for my myth box for 3 years now. |
| [08:29:24] | justinh: | what makes people change distro I wonder? |
| [08:29:38] | k_ross: | the gnome/metacity/nautilus combo does seem fairly 90's compared to modern commercial OS's |
| [08:29:43] | Tanthrix: | For me, it was Arch's rolling release. You basically had to update weekly, or you'd get left behind and be screwed. |
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| [08:30:01] | justinh: | I've been going off ubuntu for ages, but then I'm not exactly a fan of linux. Or computers |
| [08:30:05] | Tanthrix: | My myth box has worked more or less perfectly for 3 years now, and it was precisely because I never touched it. |
| [08:30:17] | k_ross: | long time debian user here. going on 10 years. didn't want to switch just for mythtv |
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| [08:30:29] | Tanthrix: | Finally went to upgrade myth so I could get an HD-PVR, needed qt4, but I couldn't install it due to the fact I was so out of date. |
| [08:31:47] | justinh: | yeah if I want qt4 on my current backend I'll have to build it myself |
| [08:31:51] | justinh: | by that rationale I might aswell be on slack or gentoo |
| [08:31:53] | justinh: | either that or dist-upgrade :-\ |
| [08:31:56] | justinh: | change the whole distro just for some packages? MEH |
| [08:32:15] | k_ross: | debian is pretty lean, pulse audio hasn't infected it yet. |
| [08:32:47] | justinh: | that's another annoyance. the kernel changes when you upgrade too, which on a perfectly working system can be a worry |
| [08:33:23] | justinh: | then pulseaudio GRRR, stuff being moved around.. show me an incentive to upgrade :) |
| [08:33:29] | k_ross: | well glad you got your video tear-free. good night all |
| [08:33:34] | justinh: | nn |
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| [08:33:41] | Tanthrix: | k_ross: Thanks again, g'night. |
| [08:33:42] | Tanthrix: | Damn! |
| [08:34:16] | Tanthrix: | Is Ubuntu using pulse these days? |
| [08:34:21] | justinh: | totally |
| [08:34:34] | justinh: | they're 100% behind it |
| [08:35:05] | Tanthrix: | I wonder why I get no audio with mplayer then using -ao pulse. And if I don't do that, I get access denied for accesing /dev/dsp. |
| [08:35:12] | justinh: | I think part of the reasoning is, get it in front of as many users as possible, have many bugs reports & squished |
| [08:35:23] | Tanthrix: | Makes sense, to some extent. |
| [08:35:33] | justinh: | not from a user's PoV ;-) |
| [08:35:41] | Tanthrix: | True enough.. |
| [08:36:17] | justinh: | I found it 'works' out of the box & mythfrontend just suspended it when it was open. fair enough |
| [08:36:38] | justinh: | but generally audio playback was very laggy using pA |
| [08:39:00] | justinh: | flash games & system sounds coming out half a second late, that sort of thing |
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| [08:39:01] | justinh: | so it had to go in the end. back to asla. we know where we're at with alsa (up shit creek without a paddle when it comes to configuring it) |
| [08:39:01] | justinh: | *alsa, even :) |
| [08:39:10] | Tanthrix: | It's always worked fine for me, thankfully. |
| [08:39:19] | Tanthrix: | This is funny: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/fix-for-all-pulseau . . . -issues.html |
| [08:39:29] | justinh: | yeah I know that one |
| [08:39:35] | justinh: | fix for all PA issues.. DISABLE IT :D |
| [08:40:28] | justinh: | I've only ever run into alsa problems on my via frontend. it seemed to alternate between digital output working & not working, depending which way the wind was blowing |
| [08:40:53] | justinh: | I like to have analogue and digital audio output working for straight stereo, see |
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| [08:40:58] | Tanthrix: | Luckily, while I am a stickler for video quality, I could care less about digital audio / surround sound. That makes things easy |
| [08:41:27] | justinh: | I literally spent all night fiddling with it, all for nothing :-\ |
| [08:41:41] | justinh: | was I bitter though? YES! |
| [08:41:50] | Tanthrix: | Understandably! |
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| [08:43:26] | justinh: | I was already bitter because minimyth was undergoing so many changes at the time too |
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| [08:53:18] | Tanthrix: | justinh: You want to know bitterness? 8 hours yesterday after installing my new GT 220 in my 3 year old, perfectly working myth system the motherboard died. |
| [08:53:37] | Speedy2: | How'd the MB die? |
| [08:54:22] | Tanthrix: | Don't know. I was watching Conan live ish and the signal appeared to have serious issues. All kinds of errors, damaged stream, etc.. |
| [08:54:35] | Speedy2: | Did you run memtest86+ on it? |
| [08:54:48] | Speedy2: | That's a positive indicator of CPU/chipset/voltage regulation |
| [08:55:11] | Tanthrix: | Figured I had a bad cable from all that moving the system around, but that wasn't it. So I shut the system down, rebooted, no luck. I then removed my AverTV card, reseated it, booted up, and I haven't been able to get it to stay up for more than 5 minutes since then. |
| [08:55:27] | justinh: | ow |
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| [08:55:53] | justinh: | didn't realise the Barbarian had a chat show ;-) |
| [08:55:56] | Speedy2: | CPU fan loose? |
| [08:55:57] | Tanthrix: | When it's cold, it runs for about 5 minutes. Strangly though, if I try and go into the bios, it says it's password protected. This is despite my resetting the BIOS and flashing it with the latest update. |
| [08:55:59] | hipitihop: | Any aussie users here that have ABC iView intergated ? |
| [08:56:22] | Tanthrix: | But after 5 minutes, it will die. Then if I turn it back on, it quits immediately after 5–10 seconds until it cools down again. |
| [08:56:40] | Speedy2: | What CPU? |
| [08:56:45] | Tanthrix: | Tried every conceivable hail mary thing I could to get it up and running, stripped it down to nothing but the PSU / mobo, tried swapping the PSU |
| [08:57:01] | Tanthrix: | E4400 Core 2 Duo. But that's not it, since I have that in my new system now and it's working fine. |
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| [08:57:09] | justinh: | caps all look ok? |
| [08:58:15] | Tanthrix: | Not a crusty one among them. |
| [08:58:15] | Tanthrix: | Or bulging. |
| [08:58:15] | justinh: | weird |
| [08:58:17] | Speedy2: | What brand MB? |
| [08:58:17] | justinh: | I had a bunch of bad issues with my current backend before christmas. turned out to be crud on the ram contacts |
| [08:58:17] | Speedy2: | Any loose pieces of metal? |
| [08:58:41] | Tanthrix: | Indeed. It almost seems like a thermal sensor got fried, so it's killing it off to "save" it. But that doesn't explain the BIOS password, which I have never in my life set, and even if I had, which should have been killed off with the numerous bios resets and the two flashing. |
| [08:58:41] | Tanthrix: | MSI brand. |
| [08:58:46] | Tanthrix: | No loose metal, checked very carefully. |
| [08:59:16] | Speedy2: | Video card is PCI-E? |
| [08:59:30] | Tanthrix: | Oh! The one strange thing that happened was the system came on for a second while I was reinserting the AverTV card, way back before this issue occured. I am certain I did not push the power button. |
| [08:59:47] | Tanthrix: | Yes, but I also tried a PCI video card. Same deal. |
| [09:00:27] | justinh: | I unplug the PSU while I'm doing stuff like that |
| [09:00:28] | Tanthrix: | justinh: I also moved the ram from their current slots to the two opposing slots. And I reseated the CPU |
| [09:00:46] | justinh: | got a special grounding plug :) |
| [09:00:47] | Speedy2: | Yes |
| [09:00:52] | Speedy2: | PCI is always powered on |
| [09:00:56] | Speedy2: | ALWAYS UNPLUG POWER |
| [09:01:37] | Tanthrix: | Never done that in 10 years of being a computer tech without any issues occuring, but I'm willing to change my ways. |
| [09:01:40] | justinh: | that it caused the damage you've seen is unlikely but possible |
| [09:01:49] | Tanthrix: | Aye. |
| [09:02:10] | Speedy2: | PCI 2.2+ has pins routed to it allowing wake-on-lan |
| [09:02:17] | Speedy2: | Pulling the PCI card or inserting one simulates this |
| [09:02:20] | justinh: | like the guys who never take ESD precautions never run into any problems. Until they do ;-) |
| [09:02:30] | Speedy2: | Also to support WoL it provides power to PCI devices |
| [09:02:31] | Speedy2: | (sometimes) |
| [09:02:43] | Tanthrix: | justinh: Hehe. Well, that's part of the reason I kept plugged in so the system was still grounded. But really, just laziness. |
| [09:03:17] | justinh: | I've been lazy before too. shortened the life of many a HDD probably by just letting stuff dangle by their cables |
| [09:03:34] | justinh: | bah I'll mount them properly when it's all installed :D |
| [09:03:38] | Tanthrix: | hehe |
| [09:05:07] | Tanthrix: | In any event, I'm thinking about buying another mobo once I get my new myth box setup. Cold spare. |
| [09:05:07] | justinh: | course since SATA I'm more likely to do a proper job since those connectors will barely support the weight of a drive |
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| [09:05:28] | Tanthrix: | It's just so weird...the bios password thing. Especially since I flashed the bios, and watched it go through rewriting every block, and then finally destroying the cmos checksum. |
| [09:06:02] | Speedy2: | Downgrade to a much older vesion |
| [09:06:03] | Speedy2: | version |
| [09:06:05] | Speedy2: | see if it takes |
| [09:06:05] | Tanthrix: | But it's clearly thermally related too, since it runs for 5 minutes cold, and 5–10 seconds hot. Repeatable. |
| [09:06:18] | Speedy2: | Did you try touching to chips? |
| [09:06:26] | Speedy2: | To see if anything was absurdly hot? |
| [09:06:32] | Speedy2: | Do it when you're grounded, it's safe. |
| [09:06:34] | Tanthrix: | Speedy2: Aye, and everything felt good. |
| [09:06:39] | justinh: | there's not really any point in that |
| [09:06:45] | Speedy2: | ? |
| [09:07:03] | justinh: | unless you've got some serious contacts in component sourcing you won't be able to replace much |
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| [09:07:31] | Speedy2: | It'll give you an idea if a particular part is very jacked up. |
| [09:07:36] | Tanthrix: | If only it were bad caps...I've replaced the caps on 5 boards now with full success. |
| [09:07:51] | justinh: | could be a dodgy vcore regulator I guess |
| [09:07:56] | justinh: | those aren't too hard to get hold of |
| [09:08:09] | Speedy2: | Tanthrix: I'd suggest putting a really old BIOS in. Also check the BIOS's fan/temp numbers to see if anything is out of whack |
| [09:08:11] | Speedy2: | leave it there the entire time. |
| [09:08:15] | Tanthrix: | I've already spent so much time on it, I'm done. Too much woe and bitterness in my heart. |
| [09:08:16] | justinh: | or a PSU supervisor chip.. |
| [09:08:18] | Speedy2: | watch it. |
| [09:08:29] | Tanthrix: | Speedy2: The issue is that I can't get into the BIOS, because of the password. |
| [09:08:49] | Speedy2: | Is the BIOS socketed? |
| [09:08:59] | justinh: | they never are these days |
| [09:09:11] | justinh: | not in the last 10 years or so AFAIK |
| [09:09:21] | Tanthrix: | Speedy2: I could try downgrading, but I can't see why that would do any good. And no, it's not I'm afraid. |
| [09:09:26] | justinh: | they never have the room for a PLCC socket anyways |
| [09:10:15] | Speedy2: | Tanthrix: There are other programs you can try to re-write the bIOS flash |
| [09:10:17] | Speedy2: | I used one the other night |
| [09:10:18] | Speedy2: | one sec |
| [09:11:25] | Speedy2: | Uniflash |
| [09:12:32] | Tanthrix: | Speedy2: After spending so many hours on this, doing so many hail mary things, I am done. Too much woe and bitterness in my heart to every look at it again. I think I can say with 99 percent certainty that it is dead. |
| [09:12:36] | Tanthrix: | Well, I flashed it twice with the provided utility – each time it went though and did everything without issue, as near as I can tell. |
| [09:12:46] | Speedy2: | Tanthrix: Send the MB to me :) |
| [09:13:56] | Tanthrix: | Speedy2: Hehe...I could have used you the other night. You've got the same spunk that I *had* before the woe set in. |
| [09:15:56] | Speedy2: | I can understand |
| [09:16:39] | Speedy2: | I recently got an ITE PCI-IDE card. I tried to update it's BIOS. It took quite a bit of work for me to figure out what was wrong, but finally I got it. |
| [09:17:56] | justinh: | reminds me I should put a bootable USB stick together with something DOS-like on it |
| [09:18:16] | justinh: | I chucked my last floppy drive out a *long* time ago |
| [09:18:24] | Speedy2: | Floppies rule. |
| [09:19:38] | Speedy2: | Not really, but in a pinch they still work. |
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| [09:31:49] | Tanthrix: | Blah. I'm getting too old to be doing this. |
| [09:31:55] | Speedy2: | what happened? |
| [09:31:57] | Speedy2: | staying up late? |
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| [09:32:27] | Tanthrix: | Working on getting a myth box setup for 5 hours straight. Used to be no problem, but now it doesn't quite have the fun it used to have. |
| [09:33:05] | Dibblah: | Tanthrix: What's taking the time? |
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| [09:35:58] | Tanthrix: | Oh, not one thing in particular. Just all the tons of things I need to setup...nvidia drivers, samba shares, network mounts, lirc, all my custom scripts, etc.. |
| [09:36:00] | Tanthrix: | Getting derailed on issues like video tearing, and other wastes of time. But, there's still a certain amount of fun to it. |
| [09:36:01] | Speedy2: | Using vdpaud? |
| [09:36:03] | Speedy2: | vdpau. |
| [09:36:20] | Tanthrix: | To be fair, I guess I've only been at this for a solid 3 hours, since I took a break to do some other things. It's just that a few years ago I could do a solid 5 straight and not blink an eye. Suppose it's for the best! |
| [09:36:43] | Tanthrix: | Speedy2: Aye. Just got a GT 220...absolutely loving it. 2–5 percent CPU usage doing 720p x264. |
| [09:37:08] | hipitihop: | anyone know if the MythVodka plugin will work with Australian iView. afaik it is similar/same to UK BBC iPlay |
| [09:37:14] | Speedy2: | What's the lowest power consuming nvidia card that has ALL the video decoding support? |
| [09:37:22] | justinh: | hipitihop: more than likely not |
| [09:37:31] | Speedy2: | Seems like ATI is beating nVidia in power consuption, but no VDPAU :( |
| [09:37:38] | Speedy2: | consumption. |
| [09:37:41] | hipitihop: | justinh, different formats ? |
| [09:37:44] | Tanthrix: | Speedy2: Not sure, but wikipedia has a great chart on which cards support what. That could get you started. |
| [09:37:56] | justinh: | hipitihop: whether or not it stands a chance on ever being integrated into mythtv depends on the T&Cs of their service anyway |
| [09:38:15] | justinh: | hipitihop: different everything apart from the concept of streaming video online |
| [09:38:39] | Speedy2: | Tanthrix: Yeah I periodically check it. Just wondering if anything new popped up that you were aware of. |
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| [09:39:06] | hipitihop: | justinh, I see, you're obviously up to speed with it, thanks |
| [09:39:18] | Speedy2: | I think the newest macmini is probably a really good FE save the absurd cost. |
| [09:39:22] | Speedy2: | The slot-loading DVD is nice. |
| [09:41:04] | justinh: | everything apple make is really great til you see the price |
| [09:41:07] | hipitihop: | I think this look really promising for frontend applications http://www.liliputing.com/2010/01/mystery-mar . . . o.html/ebox1 |
| [09:41:09] | justinh: | but they're not aimed at working class people :D |
| [09:41:12] | Dibblah: | GT220 is pretty much the lowest power. |
| [09:41:27] | Speedy2: | Dibblah: Do you know the power numbers at idle ? |
| [09:41:33] | justinh: | I think relying on hardware accelerated playback is ultimately going to disappoint ;-) |
| [09:44:57] | Tanthrix: | Jesus. lirc took about 1 minute to install and have working perfectly. Score 1 for Ubuntu. |
| [09:45:43] | Dibblah: | Speedy2: 8w. |
| [09:45:52] | Speedy2: | That's a bit high :/ |
| [09:47:45] | justinh: | a bit high?! |
| [09:47:45] | Tanthrix: | Newegg sucks. The very day I recieve my GT 220 with 512MB of memory, they offer the same card with 1GB for the same price I paid for half. |
| [09:47:50] | Speedy2: | Did you contact them? |
| [09:47:55] | Speedy2: | Sometimes they will fix it for you. |
| [09:48:13] | Speedy2: | justinh: You think 8W is good? At idle? |
| [09:48:38] | justinh: | IIRC that's system idle not just GPU |
| [09:48:52] | Tanthrix: | Newegg? They're no Amazon.com. I think they'd tell me to fuck off. |
| [09:48:58] | Speedy2: | Dibblah: Were you talking total system consumption at idle or just GPU at idle? |
| [09:49:03] | Speedy2: | Tanthrix: Sometimes they are decent. |
| [09:49:29] | justinh: | Speedy2: take an fx5200 at idle – bet it's way more than 8W anyway |
| [09:49:30] | Dibblah: | You're kidding, right? |
| [09:49:41] | Tanthrix: | I suppose it couldn't hurt to try, though I don't think having 1GB vs 512MB will make any difference for myth and vdpau. |
| [09:49:42] | Dibblah: | GPU. |
| [09:49:51] | Speedy2: | <justinh> IIRC that's system idle not just GPU |
| [09:50:00] | Dibblah: | Tanthrix: It can with the hungrier themes. |
| [09:50:12] | Dibblah: | Speedy2: You need to measure some. |
| [09:50:27] | Dibblah: | 8w for full system is not going to happen on anything x86 based. |
| [09:50:49] | Dibblah: | Even ION based systems are ~20w. |
| [09:50:59] | Tanthrix: | Dibblah: Hrm. I just use the default – think it would matter then? |
| [09:52:29] | Speedy2: | Dibblah: One can always dream . |
| [09:52:29] | Dibblah: | Try it with the theme you use. |
| [09:52:31] | justinh: | 8 Watts is bugger all anyway |
| [09:52:31] | Dibblah: | Speedy2: Most standard frontends will be about 60w from the wall. |
| [09:52:31] | justinh: | considering what they can pull full tilt |
| [09:54:24] | Speedy2: | 60W sounds right. Just wondering why at idle the GPU is blowing 8W, it should be able to bring all the clocks way down at idle. Most STB SoCs don't even use 8W full-tilt. But they are not x86 or GPU shader architecture. |
| [09:54:30] | justinh: | Tanthrix: with any theme using fanart etc, budget way more than 1GB RAM |
| [09:54:32] | Dibblah: | £8 / year. |
| [09:54:32] | Dibblah: | Probably £12 by now :( |
| [09:55:03] | Tanthrix: | justinh: Fanart? You just mean custom themes? |
| [09:55:09] | justinh: | no I mean fan art |
| [09:55:15] | justinh: | the pwetty pictuwes |
| [09:55:25] | justinh: | artwork associated with metadata |
| [09:55:34] | justinh: | pointwess pwetty pictuwes |
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| [09:56:44] | Speedy2: | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthpicture . . . springs.html |
| [09:56:52] | Speedy2: | completely off topic |
| [09:57:31] | Dibblah: | For the gt220, full tilt isn't in fact very angled. |
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| [10:04:45] | Tanthrix: | justinh: Gotcha. I use MythVideo purely as a list file browser with no metadata. I don't get pretty film posters, but it's fast and works well with no setup. |
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| [10:06:48] | justinh: | posters, banners.. still makes me feel meh |
| [10:06:52] | justinh: | bloody hell why is my net connection being battered from outside? |
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| [10:13:21] | Tanthrix: | Unbelievable, my PVR-150 is working out of the box without me doing a damn thing. |
| [10:13:32] | Tanthrix: | This is way, way easier than it was 3 years ago. |
| [10:13:41] | ** Tanthrix watches his computer burst into flames 10 seconds after saying that ** | |
| [10:13:45] | justinh: | apart from it taking more time :P |
| [10:14:12] | Tanthrix: | That's the ironic thing, it's much less time, but it feels like more since I'm not used to it these days ;) |
| [10:14:30] | justinh: | ubuntu now displays the splash screen much more quickly than ever before but just sits there apparently doing nothing for what seems like forever |
| [10:14:41] | Tanthrix: | Oh, gotcha. |
| [10:15:04] | justinh: | I hate what they've done with grub |
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| [10:16:25] | Dibblah: | STB SoCs are custom designed for only video decoding. |
| [10:16:25] | Dibblah: | So are a completely different animal. |
| [10:16:56] | Dibblah: | They don't use grub. |
| [10:16:58] | justinh: | prolly have way less gates too |
| [10:17:25] | Dibblah: | (grub2 is essentially a complete rewrite) |
| [10:17:26] | justinh: | not many STB SoCs need massive heatsinks either :) |
| [10:17:35] | Speedy2: | I'm comparing a modern SoC with everything and the kitchen-sink vs. nVidia GPU that has dedicated video decode circutry wondering why nVidia can't bring the same features with much less power |
| [10:17:39] | justinh: | well whatever, I hate that they use grub2 |
| [10:17:57] | Speedy2: | SInce the video decode logic is theoretically done in hardware. But maybe it's macro-coded to use shaders and what not. |
| [10:18:00] | Dibblah: | Speedy2: It also has dedicated 3d hardware. |
| [10:18:14] | Dibblah: | But most of the decode is _not_ in custom hardware. |
| [10:18:36] | Dibblah: | Anyway, the power consumption comes from the number of ungated gates. |
| [10:18:54] | Speedy2: | I was under the impression they had dedicated logic to do it, but it would make perfect sense if they used 3D hardware to do it |
| [10:18:59] | Dibblah: | ie the gates that are always powered. |
| [10:19:17] | Speedy2: | Well power consumption is related to many things, including capacitance, switching frequency, leakage |
| [10:19:22] | Dibblah: | AFAIK, there is a very small amount of silicon dedicated to video decode. |
| [10:19:22] | Speedy2: | voltage |
| [10:19:51] | justinh: | for the price of the hardware I don't think we should grumble much |
| [10:19:54] | Dibblah: | You're talking primarily about leakage in a idle GPU. |
| [10:20:18] | Dibblah: | Yup. For general purpose hardware, 8w is insanely low. |
| [10:20:25] | justinh: | considering we aren't exactly tripping over hardware video decoding devices |
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| [10:20:42] | Dibblah: | There is that pcie thing, |
| [10:20:52] | Dibblah: | that everyone got excited about. |
| [10:20:56] | justinh: | so that's 2 means of getting hardware decode |
| [10:21:07] | justinh: | like I said. not exactly tripping over solutions :) |
| [10:21:42] | justinh: | now there IS a low power hardware decoder, that mini PCIe effort |
| [10:21:57] | Speedy2: | Whose miniPCI effort? |
| [10:22:00] | justinh: | well lower power than a GPU |
| [10:22:13] | sid3windr: | the broadcom thingy? |
| [10:22:17] | justinh: | yeah that |
| [10:22:20] | Speedy2: | ewww. |
| [10:22:27] | sid3windr: | wot eww |
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| [10:22:32] | Speedy2: | Broadcom. |
| [10:22:38] | justinh: | muh broadcom,open source haters, yada yada |
| [10:22:40] | sid3windr: | what's wrong with broadcom? =) |
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| [10:22:46] | Dibblah: | Speedy2: Just feel free to be quiet now. |
| [10:22:51] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [10:23:11] | justinh: | in this instance they're really on the ball, got a real OSS developer to help with the driver & they've actually GPL'd it |
| [10:23:49] | justinh: | still relies on a binary blob of firmware but you can't have the moon on a stick |
| [10:24:18] | Dibblah: | There are far, far worse companies than broadcom. |
| [10:24:22] | ** sid3windr has the moon on a stick – why do you think it stays so close to the earth?! there's no other reason to be sticking around! ** | |
| [10:24:36] | Speedy2: | Dibblah: Such as? |
| [10:24:38] | justinh: | sid3windr: you call that close? |
| [10:25:01] | sid3windr: | closer than pluto! |
| [10:25:04] | justinh: | anyway like I said, we ain't exactly spoilt for choice when it comes to hardware decoding. Take yer pick |
| [10:25:22] | justinh: | sid3windr: man, just think of all the money you could make from surfers |
| [10:25:23] | sid3windr: | Speedy2: ati :> |
| [10:25:30] | justinh: | if you control the tides!,uhahahaha |
| [10:25:33] | sid3windr: | lol |
| [10:25:34] | Speedy2: | ATI's not bad, they're just stupid. |
| [10:25:47] | justinh: | they're just not producing usable stuff yet that's all |
| [10:25:55] | sid3windr: | justinh: could also just kill surfing alltogether and have people do something useful... =) |
| [10:26:12] | justinh: | it's like saying here's the specs, all 500000000 pages of them. get on with it now. Oh wait... |
| [10:27:18] | justinh: | rather than actually bring something usable to the table they made gestures which haven't really resulted in anything |
| [10:27:34] | ivor: | justinh: s/specs/register dumps/ |
| [10:27:45] | justinh: | but i guess how you read that depends on your stance |
| [10:28:24] | justinh: | if you pose around & whine how you won't use anything but the most open stuff so help you God.. you may be left in the dark for a very long time :-) |
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| [10:29:52] | justinh: | I keep saying that if DRM gets too much of a a pain I'll just abstain from using media.. it's real easy to *say* it. stay tuned to see if I can resist & *do* it :) |
| [10:30:31] | Speedy2: | BluRay DRM is some shit right now. |
| [10:30:49] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o stuarta | |
| [10:30:55] | stuarta!n=stuarta@unaffiliated/stuarta changes topic to .:. Welcome to the official user-to-user support channel. .:. Play Nice .:. http://mythtv.org/ .:. Latest stable release: 0.22 .:. Channel FAQ at http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC .:. MythTV Wiki http://mythtv.org/wiki/ .:. Use http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/ .:. US/Canada Listings: http://schedulesdirect.org/ .:. Bug Squashing Party Jan 30th & 31st 2010 | |
| [10:31:01] | Mode for #mythtv-users by stuarta!n=stuarta@unaffiliated/stuarta : -o stuarta | |
| [10:31:02] | ** justinh waves at stuarta ** | |
| [10:31:05] | ** stuarta waves back ** | |
| [10:31:22] | ivor: | party? heh. |
| [10:31:37] | stuarta: | yup. nicked the concept from debian |
| [10:31:59] | stuarta: | sadly no cake |
| [10:32:18] | justinh: | cake is bad. I saw a documentary about it |
| [10:32:31] | ivor: | ah indeed. awesome. |
| [10:32:44] | stuarta: | air is bad. everyone who has ever breathed it, has died. ergo. air = bad |
| [10:33:03] | Tanthrix: | So, how easy is it to extract a mysql database from the raw files, rather than a proper dump? |
| [10:33:03] | justinh: | same guy made a doccy about "the gush"..been too scared to have sex ever since I saw it |
| [10:33:21] | stuarta: | Tanthrix: "it depends" |
| [10:33:22] | justinh: | Tanthrix: oof, good luck with that in the next life ;-) |
| [10:33:42] | stuarta: | what are you actually trying to accomplish |
| [10:34:18] | Tanthrix: | Well, I've got a few databases that I need to get at from a system that no longer boots. |
| [10:35:07] | justinh: | chroot? |
| [10:35:13] | Tanthrix: | May god have mercy on my soul if Myth is one of them... |
| [10:35:41] | ivor: | copy the database onto another machine and run mysql there? |
| [10:36:05] | justinh: | where 'another machine' could even be a VM. Wow ma! I found a use for a VM! |
| [10:36:08] | Tanthrix: | That's more or less what I was asking – is it possible to do without much pain? |
| [10:36:29] | justinh: | so long as the mysql is the same version I'd think it'd be ok. if not, YMMV |
| [10:36:59] | stuarta: | myisam copies better than innodb |
| [10:37:04] | stuarta: | but it is still doable |
| [10:37:17] | ** stuarta loves vm's ** | |
| [10:37:24] | ** stuarta runs 250+ ** | |
| [10:37:58] | Abo: | Hi All, my frontends wouldn't connect. looked at frontend log (/var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log) found error: MythSocket readStripList: Error, timed out after 7000ms. I googled it and found a solution to find and delete all mysql.txt files except /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and restart backend. Remote frontend can now play music but crashes on the loading videos dialogue. Both the remote FE and BE/FE pop an error startup "cannot connect to |
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| [10:39:26] | Tanthrix: | justinh: Yah, it won't be. |
| [10:39:46] | stuarta: | same architecture at least? |
| [10:39:49] | Tanthrix: | But, because I am awesome, I have a .sql dump of the database from yesterday morning. I knew that cron job backup might come in handy some day... |
| [10:40:03] | Tanthrix: | For Myth, that is. My other databases...not so much. |
| [10:40:05] | Abo: | Hi All, my frontends wouldn't connect. looked at frontend log (/var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log) found error: MythSocket readStripList: Error, timed out after 7000ms. I googled it and found a solution to find and delete all mysql.txt files except /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and restart backend. Remote frontend can now play music but crashes on the loading videos dialogue. Both the remote FE and BE/FE pop an error startup "cannot connect to |
| [10:40:06] | Tanthrix: | stuarta: Aye. |
| [10:40:22] | stuarta: | Abo: we heard the first time |
| [10:40:27] | justinh: | Abo: pasting the same (clipped) message every couple of minutes is no use |
| [10:40:46] | stuarta: | Tanthrix: all you can do is try |
| [10:41:51] | Abo: | sorry! Can you help me? |
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| [10:43:26] | Speedy2: | abo: Can you log in manually? |
| [10:43:41] | justinh: | start by un clipping 'cannot connect to' |
| [10:43:50] | justinh: | connect to what? mysql server? master backend? |
| [10:44:40] | Tanthrix: | By the way, my new GT 220 only has the DVI live at boot. Is this normal nowadays? My older GF 7300 had cloned on VGA and DVI at boot. |
| [10:44:46] | Abo: | Speedy2: Yes, I can it just says it can't don't know why because all the media is accessible and playable on BE/FE and music is playable fomr remote FE. |
| [10:45:03] | Speedy2: | huh |
| [10:45:12] | Abo: | Speedy2: connection to master B/E |
| [10:45:20] | justinh: | for a while now myth has used config.xml files rather than mysql.txt files |
| [10:45:41] | justinh: | if a mysql.txt file is there it'll use it, but if not it looks for config.xml |
| [10:47:18] | Abo: | Speedy2: The message comes up, but I seem to connected. What I need to know is how to stop the remote FE crashing on video load dialoge and the figureout why the message is coming up. |
| [10:48:01] | Abo: | jutsinh: I am new to linux and mythtv and have never visisted the file config.xml or what it's relation is to mysql.txt. |
| [10:49:27] | Abo: | justinh: Did a whereis for config.xml and the only return seems to be in manual pages i.e. /usr/share/man/etc |
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| [10:51:25] | Abo: | justinh: sorry that's et cetera on the end and not /etc |
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| [10:54:59] | Abo: | I don't know if it is rellevant but dmesg | tail mythbackend.log: Would you like to configure the database connection now? [no] |
| [10:54:59] | Abo: | [console is not interactive, using default 'no'] |
| [10:54:59] | Abo: | 2010-01–15 12:52:40.693 Deleting UPnP client... |
| [10:54:59] | Abo: | 2010-01–15 12:52:41.228 Failed to init MythContext, exiting. |
| [10:54:59] | Abo: | 2010-01–15 12:52:41.479 mythbackend version: branches/release-0-22-fixes [22594] www.mythtv.org |
| [10:55:01] | Abo: | 2010-01–15 12:52:41.551 Using runtime prefix = /usr |
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| [10:56:21] | th1_: | Abo, that's relevant. are you running mythfilldatabase as a user who is member of the mythtv group? it looks like it can't read the db settings. |
| [10:57:01] | th1_: | check if 'cat /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt' gives permission denied |
| [10:57:04] | th1_: | as that user |
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| [11:04:20] | Abo: | th1: no I don't run mythfill at all, I say cancel, am I looking to a line mysql.txt that says "permission denied"? |
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| [11:05:55] | Abo: | eth1: I can access it i.e. read it with the cat command. |
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| [11:07:44] | loki_666: | hi |
| [11:08:35] | loki_666: | how to "transcode" a recording to just honor the cut list but keep the original mpeg stream (i mean no re-crompression)? |
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| [11:14:02] | justinh: | loki_666: you can't |
| [11:14:08] | justinh: | not within mythtv anyway |
| [11:14:38] | justinh: | even 'lossless' transcode/cutting loses anything but the primary video & audio streams |
| [11:15:12] | loki_666: | mmhh |
| [11:16:02] | justinh: | you can't have it all ways |
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| [11:20:02] | loki_666: | i dont understand, is there any mpeg limitations to do that or it's just not implemented in mythtv? |
| [11:20:45] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: follow up to the Fedora12 mythweb "bug" Operator Error was the root cause. http://localhost/mythweb and http://localhost/mythweb/ produce significantly different results from apache. the later works while the former is "broken". |
| [11:21:27] | BobLfoot: | Dagmar: thanks again for your patience |
| [11:21:27] | justinh: | loki_666: cutting multiple mpeg streams with different timestamp alignments & putting them back together.. fine. YOU do it then |
| [11:21:28] | Tanthrix: | loki_666: What's your angle? If you just want to cut commercials without losing quality, a lossless transcode will work just fine in myth. |
| [11:21:47] | justinh: | but if you wanna keep subs & secondary audio...oof |
| [11:22:36] | Abo: | I think I found something that might help in dmesg | tail /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log, I swa somebody being yelled at for pasting long logs how much can I paste? 10 lines? or how do I use pastebin? |
| [11:22:51] | loki_666: | lossless transcode is fine, but i didn't saw that profile |
| [11:23:10] | justinh: | Abo: how do you use pastebin? Oh come now |
| [11:23:14] | Tanthrix: | justinh: Ok, what the hell does oof mean. I can't find it on any internet acronym lists. |
| [11:23:25] | justinh: | go to www.pastebin.com, paste into the nice window there |
| [11:23:31] | Tanthrix: | Or is that "oof" as in the sound a person makes when getting punched in the gut? ;) |
| [11:23:40] | justinh: | if you paste 10 lines here you'll get a smack in the chops |
| [11:24:13] | justinh: | 3 lines is the accepted limit here |
| [11:24:25] | Abo: | justinh: ok thanks, heading to pastebin |
| [11:24:38] | justinh: | and no, not 3 lines, wait a sec, then another 3 lines, repeat 1000 times |
| [11:25:01] | justinh: | Tanthrix: think 'oof' just means the latter ;) |
| [11:26:17] | Tanthrix: | justinh: Fair enough! |
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| [11:30:23] | Abo: | justinh: Have pasted in paste bin, didn't get a url or anything, The log show unable to connect yet I am connected both BE/FE and remote F/E. |
| [11:32:53] | justinh: | it redirects you to a page with the URL |
| [11:33:44] | justinh: | once you submit the entry |
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| [11:33:57] | Abo: | justinh: just took this one off the address bar: http://pastebin.com/d32c4a76d |
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| [11:35:04] | Abo: | justonh: just saw this line in the log: Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt, earlier I deleted all instances of the file i.e sudo rm filename except for mysql.txt. |
| [11:35:29] | Tanthrix: | Abo: He got disconnected, he's gone. |
| [11:35:47] | Tanthrix: | Abo: What user are you running mythbackend and mythfrontend as? |
| [11:36:50] | Tanthrix: | Whatever user that is, it needs to have a proper mysql.txt file in its home directory in a .mythtv folder |
| [11:37:26] | Tanthrix: | That file contains the address for the sql server (most likely localhost for you) and the login, password, and database name for myth. |
| [11:38:13] | Tanthrix: | It should look like this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Initia . . . tabase_setup |
| [11:39:06] | Abo: | Tanthrix: as mythtv I think. |
| [11:39:07] | Tanthrix: | So, if you run mythbackend/mythfrontend from a user called Abo, you need to copy and paste the info from that wiki into /home/abo/.mythtv/mysql.txt and modify the login/password etc.. accordingly. |
| [11:40:40] | Tanthrix: | Abo: mythtv looks right, that's what it's saying in the pastebin. So follow the steps in that wiki there to create a /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt file, make the database, etc.. |
| [11:40:48] | Tanthrix: | Abo: I've got to run, but best of luck to you. |
| [11:41:06] | Abo: | Tanthrix: I deleted the mysql.txt file in my home folder earlier as solution to get media to load and play on remote F/E's |
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| [11:42:06] | Abo: | Tamthrix: Thank you! |
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| [11:46:52] | superdump: | quick question – can audio stream sample rate change mid-stream in dvb streams? |
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| [12:01:47] | stuartm: | anything is possible, whether it's valid in the spec is another matter |
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| [12:04:22] | superdump: | well, that was my concern |
| [12:04:33] | superdump: | is it valid...? :) |
| [12:06:34] | gbee: | suspect that would be covered by the mpeg specs and I don't have a copy |
| [12:09:19] | AndyCap: | Another question is. does it matter what the spec says if the broadcasters just do it. :P |
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| [12:53:29] | janneg: | superdump: have you asked mru? I suspect mpeg spec doesn't care. if it's valid for the audio codec we might see it |
| [12:53:46] | superdump: | i shall |
| [12:55:33] | janneg: | but honestly I suspect there's no one doing it. broadcast is 48k, some radio channels might do it |
| [13:12:38] | AndyCap: | is there any tool one could run on a multiplex to log this? |
| [13:12:52] | AndyCap: | dvbsnoop perhaps? |
| [13:16:25] | janneg: | the sample rate might be in a PMT descriptor. then dvbsnoop and a script to detect changes in the PMT would be enough |
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| [13:40:36] | th1_: | on BBC HD from FreeSat when they are showing that "test picture" thing it says it's testing DTS but my surround receiver says Dolby Digital, even though I have enabled DTS + AC3 passthrough (and it works with DVD's etc). Am I doing something wrong? |
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| [13:48:53] | ivor: | th1_: this may be unrelated, but the AC3 track isn't the default audio stream on BBC HD, the stereo narrative track is. causes me grief playing them on the PS3. not sure about mythfrontend though, mines not running atm. |
| [13:55:34] | Abo: | Hi Again All, need help, my remote frontend crashes when I go into the videos menu. Video load dialogue appears on screen and then it crashes. I looked at the frontend log there's an error: unable to find image file: gallery-folder-reg.png |
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| [14:24:32] | Abo: | just checked if I could play the video files directly from the mount point on the remote frontend. Movie player launches but then does play the video I can still skip through the video like stills. Could this be a rights/permissions thing? |
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| [14:31:44] | gbee: | Abo: that missing image error isn't related to the crash |
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| [14:34:06] | gbee: | Abo: see http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [14:34:33] | gbee: | ivor: mythfrontend plays the correct track on BBC HD |
| [14:34:52] | ivor: | gbee: cool. ta, wasn't sure having not done it! |
| [14:35:32] | Abo: | gbee: I am not sure what I am looking at on the page, I am newbie so need a some guiding. |
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| [14:40:14] | Abo: | gbee: tried to look a little closer and seems to be a full-on code debugging exercise. My system is working. The BE/FE is working fine. The FE only crashes when I try to watch videos, it gives the loading videos dialogue and then crashes. |
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| [14:40:42] | justinh: | Abo: I saw that in the channel log (of this channel). could be something wrong with the theme you're using |
| [14:41:03] | justinh: | it shouldn't crash if something is wrong with the theme but...stuff happens |
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| [14:42:43] | Abo: | justinh: welcome back, ok changing themes now. By theme I understand this to be the "look" so I change it in setup/utilities/appearances? |
| [14:43:25] | justinh: | yup |
| [14:43:31] | gbee: | it's not the theme ... but without a backtrace this discussion is pointless |
| [14:43:51] | justinh: | the error I saw him talk about was it not being able to find a theme image |
| [14:43:58] | gbee: | not really prepared to help people avoid segfaults, that's selfish, fixing them is more important |
| [14:44:07] | gbee: | justinh: yeah, won't cause a crash |
| [14:44:11] | gbee: | ever |
| [14:44:33] | justinh: | like I said, shouldn't – but it could indicate another problem |
| [14:44:36] | gbee: | and I see the same error all the time because it's missing from Terra |
| [14:44:39] | Abo: | justinh: does the same thing with two other themes. |
| [14:45:01] | justinh: | Abo: so you need to get into debugging mode then |
| [14:45:19] | justinh: | either grab a package of mythtv built for debugging support, or build it yourself |
| [14:45:29] | justinh: | this kind of stuff needs to be reported & looked into |
| [14:45:30] | Abo: | justinh: how do I that? get into debugging mode? |
| [14:45:56] | ivor: | Abo: you've really got to devote a bit of time to reading through the docs linked earlier. |
| [14:46:01] | ivor: | it'll help you out a lot. |
| [14:46:13] | Abo: | gbee: was the page you pointed me to the "build-it-yourself?" |
| [14:46:32] | justinh: | it's a PITA for new users (or indeed anybody) to have to do this but it'll benefit everybody |
| [14:47:05] | ivor: | Abo: also worth getting a coffee and a snack and reading through http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging |
| [14:47:30] | justinh: | you wouldn't have to worry about understanding the contents of a backtrace.. that'd be a bit much :-) |
| [14:47:44] | j-rod: | I need 10GbE at home. It takes way too long to rsync 500GB of data over GbE. |
| [14:47:53] | justinh: | lol |
| [14:48:16] | justinh: | it'll take too long over 10GbE before too long aswell |
| [14:48:22] | justinh: | skip to 100GbE |
| [14:48:24] | j-rod: | true |
| [14:48:30] | ivor: | screwdriver. remove drive. carry to other machine. |
| [14:48:44] | j-rod: | but I actually *have* a pair of 10GbE NICs floating around here in the office... |
| [14:48:52] | _ben: | j-rod: etherchannel might be channel if you have cisco toys :) |
| [14:49:00] | ivor: | j-rod: ah well. in that case it'd be silly not to! |
| [14:49:02] | Abo: | ivor: what docs, I have been googling and following all the help I was pointed to, i.e. reading the forums and links sent. I am newibie the page you just pointed me to I can't make sense of without some help. I don't understand what I looking at. |
| [14:49:07] | j-rod: | :) |
| [14:49:14] | _ben: | er |
| [14:49:16] | wagnerrp: | 100GbE doesnt even exist as a standard yet does it? |
| [14:49:17] | justinh: | Abo: mythtv.org, in the documentation is a section on fault finding |
| [14:49:19] | _ben: | s/channel/cheaper |
| [14:49:38] | j-rod: | no 100GbE yet, no |
| [14:49:47] | justinh: | Abo: some distros helpfully package mythtv with debugging enabled, all ready to go |
| [14:49:55] | j-rod: | at least, I ain't seen any drivers for any 100GbE NICs yet... |
| [14:50:02] | justinh: | no idea if those are actually any use though... |
| [14:50:11] | wagnerrp: | you could do 8x infiniband though... 40Gbps |
| [14:50:11] | j-rod: | have seen way too many 10GbE ones though |
| [14:50:30] | j-rod: | true, and ipoib |
| [14:50:36] | wagnerrp: | or is it 4x QDR thats 40gbps |
| [14:50:58] | justinh: | you might also need faster HDDs ;-) |
| [14:51:00] | j-rod: | I used to have to care about infiniband and myrinet. quite happy being ignorant of it now. |
| [14:51:31] | wagnerrp: | was looking through that a bit yesterday, looking for hardware upgrades at work |
| [14:51:47] | j-rod: | ah memories. had a 256-port myrinet switch overnighted to my house, arriving black friday one year |
| [14:51:50] | Abo: | justinh: I am looking http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 which gbee pointed me to and the one ivor just sent this pages are confusing to me. I wouldn't know what I am doing and that can't be a good thing, actually not that know now but I am trying to learn, those pages are intimidating. |
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| [14:52:04] | j-rod: | had to go into the office and swap it in for a seemingly failing one |
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| [14:52:07] | wagnerrp: | we were doing fine for single gigabit uplinks between compute nodes, back when we still ran P4s |
| [14:52:22] | j-rod: | turned out to be a software problem in the switch firmware |
| [14:52:22] | justinh: | Abo: which distro are you running? I think there are debug packages for mythtv for ubuntu |
| [14:52:25] | wagnerrp: | but switching to i7s, and possible multi-proc i7s.... gigabit just wont cut it |
| [14:52:34] | Abo: | justinh: isn't there a apt-get install kind of thing and then I can have compiler like app that can step through problem? |
| [14:52:54] | Abo: | justinh: Ubuntu Karmic (9.10) |
| [14:53:09] | justinh: | Abo: if you can get packages built with debug support as far as I know you just then need to run mythfrontend through gdb like the howto describes |
| [14:53:42] | justinh: | but then, compiling mythtv & the plugins isn't that hard |
| [14:54:30] | Abo: | justinh: don't understand the last get packages with gdb support. How would I know if the packages have it or not? |
| [14:54:43] | justinh: | I think they're listed in apt |
| [14:54:51] | justinh: | maybe not in the standard repos though |
| [14:55:00] | j-rod: | note to fios users: apparently, its bad if your ONT isn't powered... |
| [14:55:08] | ivor: | apt-get install mythtv-dbg mythplugins-dbg |
| [14:55:39] | ** j-rod missed a couple of recordings, due to accidentally disconnecting power to the ONT, which has an end result of there being no video signal on your coax ** | |
| [14:56:05] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: sounds distinctively unpleasant |
| [14:56:41] | j-rod: | even more amusing, it actually happened about 10 minutes into a pair of recordings |
| [14:57:06] | j-rod: | so I first noticed the problem as I was watching one of those, which ended a wee bit early |
| [14:57:13] | wagnerrp: | so im guessing on this MNV thing, i set it to update, and come back hours later? |
| [14:57:32] | Abo: | ivor: package not found. Do I need to do something in repositories/software sources? |
| [14:57:46] | justinh: | Abo: looks like you need to add a repo |
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| [14:57:52] | ivor: | its in multiverse |
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| [14:58:20] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Not hours but it will take some time depending on how many grabber tree views you have turned on. |
| [14:58:42] | gbee: | wagnerrp: I expect the goal is for it to update automatically, overnight for example, much like mythfilldatabase and mythweather |
| [14:59:14] | Abo: | ivor: multiverse is checked in software sources |
| [14:59:31] | justinh: | ivor: not sure they're in the standard ubuntu repos |
| [14:59:48] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: gbee is correct. iamlindoro was just asking me why some of the grabbers take so long. It come down to how many web reads it takes to collect the info and how fast the site is. |
| [15:00:00] | ** CyberKnet ponders the MNV acronymn ** | |
| [15:00:04] | CyberKnet: | MythNerf, Vulcan edition... |
| [15:00:06] | justinh: | heh http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=mythtv-dbg says otherwise |
| [15:00:11] | justinh: | CyberKnet: MythNetVideo |
| [15:00:12] | CyberKnet: | MythNerdVideo |
| [15:00:40] | CyberKnet: | justinh: Aaah. I was looking forward to MythNerf |
| [15:00:55] | justinh: | MythNerf will come after MythChess |
| [15:01:03] | ivor: | justinh: yeah that's all I did. but that's as far as I can go, I'm not an ubuntu person. |
| [15:01:12] | justinh: | which will come after hell freezes over. tell rambo3 that |
| [15:01:15] | CyberKnet: | The Vulcan is tripod mounted you know... I was thinking about the servo connections, and a webcam hookup... then someone comes along to touch the remote and KABLAMO! |
| [15:01:49] | justinh: | ivor: the wiki pages you linked points to a mythbuntu page which in turn has a deb |
| [15:01:54] | ivor: | justinh: ah, that's in "lucid lynx" didn't see that. |
| [15:02:11] | CyberKnet: | Did I mention that the Vulcan is also chain fed? You can bet they wouldn't be after that remote again. |
| [15:02:16] | justinh: | we used to have a saying at school. Lynx stinks |
| [15:02:16] | CyberKnet: | At least for the next 30 seconds. |
| [15:02:36] | gbee: | I still want to create some basic little games with mythui, sudoku and chess (with an external engine) will probably be easiest |
| [15:02:41] | justinh: | obviously we meant the cheap chavvy body spray stuff |
| [15:03:56] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: well its not listing off any sites to scubscribe to |
| [15:04:02] | wagnerrp: | just a blank page |
| [15:04:16] | wagnerrp: | with the text 'Manage Site Subscriptions' at the top |
| [15:05:33] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Then there is something wrong with the set up. Please try in a terminal a grabber with the -v options or see if you have any grabbers in the search window. |
| [15:06:02] | wagnerrp: | search window is just the single text entry at the top |
| [15:06:10] | wagnerrp: | although the grabbers seem to work fine from the command line |
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| [15:06:46] | wagnerrp: | there are no 'exec' permissions, if that might be a problem |
| [15:07:48] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Both the search and Manage subscriptions window are populated through MNV running a grabber with the -v option and seeing what options they support. |
| [15:08:17] | wagnerrp: | that works fine... going to +x all of these and see what happens |
| [15:08:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that was it |
| [15:09:40] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Strange I have not heard that anyone else had that issue or need to change permissions, |
| [15:13:17] | justinh: | shouldn't the install have put the proper perms in place? |
| [15:13:43] | wagnerrp: | maybe something funky happened since i wrote an ebuild for it |
| [15:14:06] | wagnerrp: | although i cant imagine portage would intentionally strip those permissions from a package |
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| [15:15:34] | gbee: | ... |
| [15:16:48] | iamlindoro: | Installed it on a fresh system last night without issue from SVN, so I'm fairly certain that the permissions are correct in the repository |
| [15:18:03] | gbee: | RDV_Linux: I'd check that the executable flag has been set for those files in svn, svn will strip it from files for security reasons, "svn proplist path/to/script" |
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| [15:18:37] | gbee: | if svn:executable is missing then it needs to be set with "svn propset" |
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| [15:18:44] | wagnerrp: | they have execute set in my local repository in the version im running |
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| [15:18:58] | RDV_Linux: | gbee thanks |
| [15:19:37] | gbee: | actually I figured I could do it, they do all have the executable flag, so I'm guessing portage is at fault |
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| [15:20:37] | wagnerrp: | no, trac is at fault |
| [15:20:50] | wagnerrp: | when trac zips up the archive, it strips execute permissions |
| [15:21:29] | wagnerrp: | the ebuilds on gentoo are set up to use the zip files from trac, so they can serve the archives straight from the portage servers |
| [15:21:39] | wagnerrp: | and not put any load on mythtv.org |
| [15:22:09] | iamlindoro: | So what are they doing about the many other things that need +x? MythVideo scripts, MythWeather, etc? |
| [15:22:11] | gbee: | it can't do an svn checkout instead? |
| [15:23:37] | wagnerrp: | gbee: well the intent is that users dont hit trac or svn |
| [15:23:58] | wagnerrp: | they grab an archive matching the revision of the ebuild off the gentoo servers |
| [15:24:32] | wagnerrp: | it used to maintain a local svn tree, but that changed a year or so ago |
| [15:25:01] | wagnerrp: | looks like mythvideo has the same issue |
| [15:25:28] | wagnerrp: | but its executable when installed |
| [15:25:44] | gbee: | wagnerrp: but what I'm suggesting is that instead of grabbing a zip via trac, it grabs a checkout and zips that |
| [15:26:39] | wagnerrp: | gbee: it just has a file name... tries to pull it off the gentoo servers first, falling back to the trac link |
| [15:26:53] | wagnerrp: | theres no reason why it couldnt do that, just means considerably more code |
| [15:28:02] | wagnerrp: | seems the mythvideo ebuild has some code to specifically mark that stuff executable, ill have to do that on this one too |
| [15:28:25] | gbee: | I'm willing to bet that pulling via trac is worse for the servers, I doubt trac caches the archive – this might even explain the recent problems with trac crippling the server and/or freezing up |
| [15:29:44] | wagnerrp: | gbee: only if gentoo users are running custom ebuilds |
| [15:30:36] | wagnerrp: | im not to say they arent... i have no idea |
| [15:31:44] | gbee: | don't gentoo users lose their club membership unless they tinker with everything? |
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| [15:35:00] | justinh: | heh. I seem to remember messing up my gentoo system cos I left it alone for too long & got caught in reams of changes I couldn't make head nor tail of when I went to update it |
| [15:35:26] | justinh: | but that said, sometimes ubuntu makes me want to go back |
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| [15:41:32] | gbee: | I'm probably too harsh on Gentoo |
| [15:41:48] | ivor: | pfffttt |
| [15:41:59] | ivor: | sorry. tea everywhere. |
| [15:42:13] | justinh: | I was an utter noob & found it easier to grasp than (cough) others, but to each their own |
| [15:42:25] | justinh: | you learn hard lessons fast :) |
| [15:43:43] | justinh: | but just cos I *can* (sort of) configure stuff on my own it doesn't mean I always wanna |
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| [16:20:10] | MNichie: | devinheitmueller: I saw your blog posts about the hauppauge 950Q, do you know analog would not be working on Ubuntu 9.10? LiveTV does not work. |
| [16:20:43] | devinheitmueller: | MNichie: it does work, although there is a timing bug switching back and forth from analog to digital. |
| [16:20:59] | devinheitmueller: | .... and you have to make sure that the no_poweroff is set. |
| [16:21:11] | devinheitmueller: | .... and you have to set the capture resolution to 720x480 to work around a mythtv bug. |
| [16:21:24] | MNichie: | ah I have not changed the res |
| [16:21:27] | devinheitmueller: | What behavior are you seeing? |
| [16:21:44] | devinheitmueller: | If you don't fix the resolution, the picture will show up be appear vertically stretched. |
| [16:21:49] | MNichie: | when I click on liveTV it says please wait, then exits back to the menu |
| [16:22:21] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, that usually means that the no_poweroff field is missing. |
| [16:22:23] | mynameisdeleted: | join #iphone-devel |
| [16:22:25] | mynameisdeleted: | oops |
| [16:22:48] | MNichie: | I set the no-poweroff in xc5000.conf |
| [16:22:58] | MNichie: | and the firmware is not constantly reloading |
| [16:23:22] | MNichie: | forum post with all of my logs, http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/hardware/1264 . . . nt-work.html |
| [16:23:29] | devinheitmueller: | Crap. Support issue. I cannot look now. Bug me later today. |
| [16:23:35] | MNichie: | ok |
| [16:23:42] | devinheitmueller: | sorry |
| [16:23:45] | MNichie: | np |
| [16:40:37] | ** ivor looks at the clock and drums fingers. ** | |
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| [16:57:57] | kisak: | hello |
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| [17:00:27] | kisak: | is anyone on who can give me some extra insight into http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding |
| [17:01:52] | dmz: | no but good luck :) |
| [17:02:15] | kisak: | I'm running mythtv 0.21-fixes p20877 and I don't want to whole heartedly shove my head into a hole |
| [17:02:41] | kisak: | so no harm has been done yet |
| [17:03:25] | ivor: | well you'll be backing up your database between upgrades anyway so no danger anyway. |
| [17:04:43] | kisak: | does a straight install of mythtv 0.22 use utf8 or latin1 encoding? |
| [17:04:55] | kisak: | for the database |
| [17:07:06] | kisak: | this is true ivor |
| [17:07:41] | clever: | this is weird |
| [17:07:55] | clever: | i restarted the master backend and it seems mythwelcome crippled my other system |
| [17:08:12] | clever: | and when i did kill mythwelcome, over half my swap free'd up |
| [17:08:19] | ivor: | kisak: that page looks pretty comprehensive to me. |
| [17:08:25] | ivor: | kisak: step 1 – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Dat . . . isconfigured |
| [17:08:42] | ivor: | step 2 – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Dat . . . e_corruption |
| [17:10:38] | kisak: | OH ... I just found why I was confused |
| [17:11:24] | ivor: | holding the page upside down? |
| [17:11:56] | kisak: | I had read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Dat . . . trunk.2F0.22 and interprited "the old mysql configuration file" as the backup of mythconverg, not my.cnf |
| [17:12:42] | kisak: | ok, good to go |
| [17:14:05] | skd5aner: | Does anyone know if VDPAU would perform better with 1GB of GDDR3 Memory, or 512MB of GDDR5 memory? I'm looking at the GT240, which comes in both varieties |
| [17:14:20] | skd5aner: | would speed of memory, or quantity of memory play a bigger impact? |
| [17:16:23] | iamlindoro: | Neither, when dealing with those quantities |
| [17:17:18] | iamlindoro: | and neither memory speed is likely to be a bottleneck either |
| [17:18:05] | kisak: | indeed, both are above and beyond sufficient |
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| [17:18:42] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: thanks – my assumption would be that they are fairly equal, but I know from early reports with VDPAU that memory size >512MB was recommended |
| [17:18:47] | skd5aner: | if I recall correctly |
| [17:19:03] | skd5aner: | I really should say, >256MB |
| [17:19:04] | gbee: | vdpau lives and dies on video memory |
| [17:19:15] | gbee: | skd5aner: 512MB |
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| [17:19:39] | skd5aner: | gbee: right, maybe I should say >=512MB ;) |
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| [17:19:45] | skd5aner: | that's kinda what I meant to begin with |
| [17:19:51] | gbee: | 512MB seems to be sufficient for everything I've tried |
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| [17:20:30] | gbee: | 256MB wasn't, at least not with earlier drivers (could have changed, but I doubt it) |
| [17:20:38] | skd5aner: | so, for "future proofing" – do you think it would make any difference, not just in memory clock speed, but quanitity to have a card with > 512MB? |
| [17:21:25] | kisak: | to think that within the next 5 years, an opensource equivilent to vdpau probably will be started |
| [17:22:28] | iamlindoro: | Only it'll do half as much, require a card twice as expensive, only support JPEG2000, and flicker madly, causing seizures |
| [17:22:32] | gbee: | even if it is (and I doubt it would compare), it's still going to need a large amount of video memory |
| [17:22:32] | skd5aner: | Also, the cards I'm looking at are the feature set "c" cards, so they have the ability for MPEG4 acceleration and some advanced scaling abilities, I know Mark has started working on putting these into myth |
| [17:22:58] | iamlindoro: | Divx/xvid acceleration is a joke |
| [17:23:08] | skd5aner: | simply because the CPU can handle it? |
| [17:23:23] | iamlindoro: | any system capable of using a Feature Set C VDPAU card is drastically overpowered for any such content |
| [17:23:54] | kisak: | I remember wanting/needed a mpeg2 accelerator card but I was too poor to actually consider getting one |
| [17:24:27] | skd5aner: | maybe – but still nice, could it impact video quality though? |
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| [17:24:46] | kisak: | anyway, sorry for derailing the topic |
| [17:25:22] | skd5aner: | kisak – I got a PII-450 back in ~96, it had a DVD-Rom with an MPEG2 decoder card – haha |
| [17:25:46] | skd5aner: | still sucked |
| [17:25:50] | clever: | skd5aner: my P2 400mhz can handle mpeg2 from the pvr-150 :P |
| [17:26:09] | kisak: | so there's no manual instructions for backing up mythconverg at this point, just those perl scripts |
| [17:26:14] | skd5aner: | clever: but at what bitrate? :) |
| [17:26:19] | clever: | skd5aner: ~1gig/hour |
| [17:26:33] | clever: | but just bearly, if nfs is buggering around, it cant handle it |
| [17:26:35] | skd5aner: | do you actually use a P2 400 for that? |
| [17:26:46] | clever: | skd5aner: not anymore, its just a headless master backend |
| [17:26:49] | meshe: | that and a space heater |
| [17:26:50] | skd5aner: | I mean, it probably *can* – but... |
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| [17:27:07] | kisak: | I think I'm packing at 2.2 gig/hr with the current setup |
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| [17:27:09] | clever: | meshe: yeah, it does keep the closet toasty warm |
| [17:27:10] | gbee: | I don't think there is a desktop processor launched in the last ten years which can't adequately handle mpeg2, and anything in the last 6 can probably do HD mpeg2 standing on it's head |
| [17:27:38] | skd5aner: | my P2 is now my router :) |
| [17:27:54] | clever: | skd5aner: my router is a P1 200mhz :P |
| [17:27:55] | gbee: | vdpau etc only make sense for H.264 and VLC |
| [17:28:06] | iamlindoro: | s/VLC/VC-1/ |
| [17:28:25] | skd5aner: | clever: lol – some serious one-ups-manship going on here this morning I guess |
| [17:28:49] | clever: | my bigest problem is the 30 second reschedule times |
| [17:29:24] | skd5aner: | gbee: ignorant question here, but wouldn't the efficiency used to decode MPEG2 have improved in the last 10 years too? |
| [17:29:53] | devinheitmueller: | gbee: vdpau works for MPEG2 I believe as well. |
| [17:29:56] | kisak: | I'm just waiting to see multi-thousand AI battle each other on a mid-evil field on the gpu |
| [17:30:22] | skd5aner: | Feature Set "c" VDPAU cards "Complete acceleration for MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4 Part 2 (a.k.a MPEG-4 ASP), VC-1/WMV9 and H.264." |
| [17:30:27] | devinheitmueller: | Yup. |
| [17:31:13] | devinheitmueller: | I personally prefer to see my main CPU at 20% instead of 80% (and with the deinterlacing it can be even worse) |
| [17:31:23] | devinheitmueller: | (this is with 1080i MPEG2) |
| [17:31:53] | iamlindoro: | There's another amusing one, MPEG-1 acceleration |
| [17:32:39] | iamlindoro: | Just in case I want to accelerate a 120x80 clip I downloaded in the 90s |
| [17:32:42] | skd5aner: | it was probably fairly trivial for them to accomplish and it's something they can use to market the solution |
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| [17:33:22] | iamlindoro: | You're missing the point-- which is that it's a joke |
| [17:33:49] | iamlindoro: | It's *obviously* marketing, since anyone who knows beter knows that their 486 was capable of playing pretty much any MPEG-1 ever produced |
| [17:33:52] | skd5aner: | nope, I got that it's fairly pointless... |
| [17:34:40] | Josh_Borke: | iamlindoro: unfortunately not many people know better ;-) |
| [17:35:28] | kisak: | I think the greater value of having vdpau some of the codecs that don't need the support is so that you don't have to switch away from using vdpau whenever you tell it to play that older file |
| [17:36:01] | ** devinheitmueller breaks out his old 3DO... ** | |
| [17:36:07] | iamlindoro: | kisak: You don't have to anyway |
| [17:36:21] | iamlindoro: | kisak: all the players that support VDPAU fall back to software decode when it's not supported |
| [17:36:29] | gbee: | devinheitmueller: vdpau does support mpeg2, but you're just shifting load from one processor to another, for a dedicated frontend box that doesn't gain you much tangible – maybe it's slightly lower power, although I've seen no benchmarks to prove it |
| [17:36:54] | kisak: | I do not have a media player setup yet that will fall back on software decoding |
| [17:36:58] | devinheitmueller: | I haven't done any analysis of the power usage, although I do have the equipment here. |
| [17:37:06] | GreyFoxx: | kisak: Myth will |
| [17:37:12] | iamlindoro: | kisak: Myth, xine, mplayer, XBMC |
| [17:37:28] | devinheitmueller: | I don't think the xine vdpau support has been merged yet. |
| [17:37:37] | skd5aner: | gbee: maybe so, but the CPU is general purpose, whereas the GPU is not – so shift the load off the CPU which could be doing other tasks (commflag, etc) and let the GPU take the heat (dumb pun intended) |
| [17:37:55] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: well, granted, I meant their VDPAU branch |
| [17:37:56] | gbee: | skd5aner: which is why I was careful to say "dedicated frontend" |
| [17:38:04] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: ah, gotcha. |
| [17:38:18] | skd5aner: | gbee: yup – your point is still valid, I doubt you are really gaining any power saves, etc |
| [17:38:23] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: I just keep an eye on it because it would be nice to see Kaffeine pick up vdpau. |
| [17:38:25] | gbee: | sure, if you are using the machine for other CPU intensive tasks then vdpau comes into it's own |
| [17:38:54] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: I believe the power savings is actually considerable – I just haven't measured it. |
| [17:39:00] | kisak: | myth is in the works to be upgraded today. Last I heard, xine has large unaddressed security issues, mplayer is the only setup I've used vdpau on so far, and I haven't experimented with XBMC yet |
| [17:39:32] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: I believe phoernix did an analysis of the power consumption at one point, and it was really promising. |
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| [17:40:02] | skd5aner: | I have not played with or seen the results of vdpau, but I've also heard that quality wise, it produces a better PQ – I'm assuming due to the deinterlacing ability – versus software decoding |
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| [17:40:52] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: I have kept quiet about this, but to be quite frank, I think the people arguing VDPAU produces markedly better PQ are delusional, defensive people who see the need to justify their expense/devotion to it |
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| [17:41:06] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: well, I know the new GT 2*0 series is their 40nm production, which cuts the power requirements in half from the 9*00 series |
| [17:41:22] | skd5aner: | which is a nice win |
| [17:41:49] | abqjp: | VDPAU: what, exactly, is the advanced deinterlacer supposed to do better than the temporal deinterlacer? |
| [17:41:50] | iamlindoro: | As someone with what I think are fairly discerning tastes, the best VDPAU deinterlacers are comparable to the best software ones, but not markedly better-- but tell that to a VDPAU devotee and they turn nasty, fast |
| [17:42:15] | iamlindoro: | s/the best/I think the best/ |
| [17:42:25] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: interesting, in the eye of the beholder I suppose – and money sometimes makes everything look better, right? (HDMI monster cables anyone?) |
| [17:42:27] | gbee: | skd5aner: a few of us disagree with that, some of the deinterlacers are very good, but most of the improvement is in the minds a vocal few, is vdpau deinterlacing better than kernel/linear/bob ... well of course, does that mean it beats all software decoding, no |
| [17:42:43] | iamlindoro: | Everyone is so desperate for a panacea that they're willing to ignore the flaws that stare then in the face |
| [17:43:03] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: I can tell you that without a doubt playback of my ripped DVD's looks visually better using the VDPAU renderer than they do with XVideo |
| [17:43:04] | iamlindoro: | s/then/them/ |
| [17:43:08] | devinheitmueller: | The cost issue has mostly gone away though, since you can buy vdpau-enabled cards for $25. |
| [17:43:23] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: to your eyes... personally I don't feel that way |
| [17:43:36] | GreyFoxx: | My wife noticed with and asked if I had done anything |
| [17:43:40] | gbee: | and vdpau does not handle stream errors well, software (ffmpeg) can hide a multitude of errors so that you'd never even know they were there but VDPAU turns it into a blocky mess |
| [17:43:48] | GreyFoxx: | and she would have no idea what xvideo or vdpau is :) |
| [17:43:55] | meshe: | is it really a cost issue, when you spend a couple hundred on a processor capable doing software decode of HD |
| [17:44:11] | gbee: | and that's actually quite an important distinction for terrestrial/satellite broadcasts |
| [17:44:28] | skd5aner: | gbee: that's one thing I was concerned about, in a way, is how resilient VDPAU is compared to software |
| [17:44:44] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: It's all anecdotal, though-- I have had to turn VDPAU off on at least one occasion because the GF wondered why the picture kept breaking up and because she thought something looked "Wrong" with the motion on 1080i channels |
| [17:44:50] | GreyFoxx: | Software is better at handling srteam glitches |
| [17:45:06] | kisak: | gbee: that's not particularly fair, ffmpeg is a fairly mature pipeline at this point, compared to vdpau which just hit the radar not too long ago |
| [17:45:06] | abqjp: | In a way, it would be nice to choose the video renderer based on stream type. In other words, VDPAU for H.264 and software for mpeg2. |
| [17:45:24] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: The only time I've seen a problem with the VDPAU renderer was on h264 videos with too many reference frames for our implementation |
| [17:45:34] | GreyFoxx: | which when moved back to xvideo looked fine |
| [17:45:39] | gbee: | skd5aner: I use vdpau all the time, but it has it's faults which is something that many vdpau zealots refuse to accept |
| [17:45:40] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Then you must have a particularly clean cable signal :) |
| [17:45:53] | GreyFoxx: | actually it is :) |
| [17:46:12] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: anyway, I'm not saying it's *bad*-- VDPAU is great-- it's just not perfect/a panacea/better in all the ways some people like to claim it is |
| [17:46:22] | GreyFoxx: | somepeople are fools :) |
| [17:46:35] | iamlindoro: | you're telling me |
| [17:46:50] | nutron: | silly intel... wth, they expect my usb sticks to use FAT? Damned noobs. |
| [17:46:53] | devinheitmueller: | abqjp: I believe you actually can choose the renderer, but not based on stream type – you can do it by resolution though, which may be good enough if all your mpeg2 is one resolution but all your vdpau is another. |
| [17:47:33] | gbee: | I'm currently leaning towards using software for SD and vdpau for HD, but only because this is my dev machine and I'm often watching a recording while waiting for something to compile |
| [17:48:15] | skd5aner: | well, I'm definitely ready to give VPDAU a shot, to me it still seems like a Beta quality product (which is really what I've always considered the *nix nvidia drivers to be anyway), but the potential is there |
| [17:48:18] | abqjp: | devinheitmueller: unfortunately, I have 720p/1080i via OTA, and via my HD-PVR (Directv). |
| [17:48:31] | devinheitmueller: | abqjp: ah, ok then. |
| [17:49:31] | skd5aner: | I've got to admit, the way I have mythtv setup now when playing MPEG2 SD conent, leaves something to be desired in the PQ department, but I'm so used to it now it doesn't bother me |
| [17:49:59] | skd5aner: | It's not bad, but it's just not quite as good as if I watched it directly from the cable |
| [17:50:57] | skd5aner: | HD, on the other hand, looks great |
| [17:50:58] | meshe: | that's probably your tuner card |
| [17:51:12] | skd5aner: | PVR-250s and PVR-500s |
| [17:51:14] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: which card? |
| [17:51:18] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: ah, ok. |
| [17:51:22] | ** meshe nods ** | |
| [17:51:32] | skd5aner: | IVTV |
| [17:51:33] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: are you coming through the tuner, or the s-video/composite? |
| [17:51:36] | skd5aner: | tuner |
| [17:51:39] | devinheitmueller: | ok. |
| [17:51:41] | meshe: | they are good cards, but the PQ does leave something to be desired |
| [17:52:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: My PQ is excellent through my 250 and 500, but I feed them S-Video from Dish STBs... |
| [17:52:11] | skd5aner: | any advice? anything I can do/check/change? |
| [17:52:21] | devinheitmueller: | I'm hoping to take a harder look at some of the analog quality for some of the newer cards in the next few weeks. |
| [17:52:25] | GreyFoxx: | I should put my QAM cards back in and do a scan, see what's available these days |
| [17:52:26] | nutron: | s-video/composite is really decent quality on my pvr-150's and 500's imho. |
| [17:52:32] | GreyFoxx: | I've got 3 of them sitting there doing nothing :) |
| [17:52:36] | skd5aner: | J-e-f-f-A: my STB feeds my HD-PVR, I know I could do a recording group, but... |
| [17:53:53] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: seeing's how the 250s/500s aren't even close to being considered newer, what's the prognosis on any PQ improvements in that department? |
| [17:54:35] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: probably pretty low, unless I uncover a bug in the same video decoder that happens to be used by those boards. |
| [17:54:57] | skd5aner: | fair enough |
| [17:54:58] | skd5aner: | and honestly – they've "just worked" for me for so long, I haven't even thought about replacing them. What analog cards are still out there today that are worthwhile? |
| [17:55:09] | skd5aner: | US – NTSC |
| [17:55:15] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: one thing you might want to try is comparing the quality of the tuner input versus the s-video, which will let you gauge whether the quality if a product of the can tuner or the video decoder. |
| [17:55:41] | meshe: | i don't think you can buy analog tuners new in the US anymore |
| [17:56:01] | skd5aner: | meshe: yea, I heard Hauppauge was asked to stop making them like 3 years ago |
| [17:56:02] | devinheitmueller: | meshe: not dedicated tuners, but you can certainly buy hybrids that do both analog and digital. |
| [17:56:19] | devinheitmueller: | (in fact, pretty much all of their tuners support both) |
| [17:56:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: I also find that viewing the same recording on my backend, which has an older card (Nvidia 5600) is not as nice looking as on my frontends (Nvidia 8600s) – the SD video seems to be scaled better on the nerwer cards. [just my perception, may or may not be true...] ;-) |
| [17:57:37] | skd5aner: | My tuner situation is evolutional – 4 PVR-250s, then a PVR-500 (replacing 2 of the 250s), then an Airstair Air2PC gen 3 I think (HD5000), then an HDHR, then an HD-PVR |
| [17:59:06] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: you seem to be "the guy" to ask, so which hybrid tuners would be good for me to consider? |
| [17:59:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: devinheitmueller 's recommendation about trying the s-video input and comparing the quality is a great one – if it's better via s-video, then it's probably an issue with the Analog TV tuner on the card, and not the mpeg encoder or your settings. |
| [17:59:30] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: depends on what functionality you need. |
| [17:59:45] | skd5aner: | jeffa: I agree, and I'm happy to try that out |
| [18:00:21] | devinheitmueller: | I wrote an article on why "which tuner should I go with" is a really hard question to answer: http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=1123 |
| [18:00:23] | skd5aner: | but, I have 4 cards, and 1 STB, and I don't want to rent 3 more STBs just for that – so I can test it out to help determine the problem, but in the long run I can't set it up that way |
| [18:00:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: There have been 'mixed' reports of the quality of the TV tuners in the PVR-150/250/350/500 cards – some say they're fine, many others complain about them. I've never used the Analog tuner myself, just the S-Video inputs. |
| [18:01:00] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: so, in my situation... given the tuners I've listed above, I record all analog content via Cable, and HD content via QAM |
| [18:01:03] | devinheitmueller: | just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting switching between s-video and the tuner input as any sort of long-term solution. I was suggesting it would help debug the source of the problem. |
| [18:01:16] | nutron: | skd5aner: can you not purchase the stb's? I've been buying my digital boxes locally for $20 – $30 each. I have 5, just need to find the sixth. |
| [18:01:19] | skd5aner: | I'm considering setting up an antenna for OTA ATSC |
| [18:01:43] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: I've been pretty happy with the HVR-1600, as long as you run the latest v4l-dvb code. |
| [18:01:45] | skd5aner: | nutron: no, here you can only rent them |
| [18:01:57] | devinheitmueller: | ... and in fact it can capture both analog and digital at the same time... |
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| [18:02:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: I have 3 Dish receivers feeding PVR-500 and PVR-250, and a HDHR for OTA ATSC. |
| [18:02:24] | clever: | skd5aner: up here its maybe 20$ a month to rent or 200$ to buy |
| [18:02:49] | skd5aner: | clever: it's only $5 a month to rent an additional STB, and I plan to get at least one more because I have 2 HD-PVRs |
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| [18:03:03] | devinheitmueller: | The 1250/1800/1850 all have various driver issues with analog, so I would stay away from them. And the 2250 doesn't have analog support at all in the Linux diver. |
| [18:03:07] | nutron: | skd5aner: ouch, yuck |
| [18:03:10] | TauPan: | hi... can anybody spot the problem here? http://pastebin.com/m6e51e0a9 live tv on hvr 1300 stops after a few seconds or minutes with these errors, the same happens when I try to switch channels. |
| [18:03:50] | devinheitmueller: | TauPan: any errors in the dmesg output? |
| [18:03:55] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: I really appreciate it, I'll do a bit of research on the 1600 – any other I should compare against that would also record analog? |
| [18:03:58] | nutron: | devinheitmueller: doesn't that then just leave the 1600? :) |
| [18:04:25] | TauPan: | not sure if those are errors: |
| [18:04:25] | TauPan: | 919.629455] cx88[0]/2-bb: VIDIOC_S_FMT: w: 720, h: 576, f: 4 |
| [18:04:29] | devinheitmueller: | nutron: well, in terms of PCI/PCIe hauppauge cards that are currently available, pretty much. |
| [18:04:43] | skd5aner: | I wouldn't mind poping out my old Airstar HD5000s and PVR-250s to get a single card that'll do what both of those do indpendantly |
| [18:04:55] | devinheitmueller: | nutron: I've heard really good things about the HVR-1950, but it's USB so some people aren't interested in that. |
| [18:05:05] | skd5aner: | oh – great question – is the 1600 available in PCI? |
| [18:05:12] | TauPan: | in mythbackend.log I get: 2010-01–15 19:04:37.853 ERROR when trying to delete file: /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/abrasax/1007_20100115005449.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed. |
| [18:05:13] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: Yes, the 1600 is a PCI design. |
| [18:05:18] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: the 1250/1800/1850 are all PCIe. |
| [18:05:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: It's *only* pci. ;-) hehe |
| [18:05:25] | skd5aner: | sweet – cause the backend is still PCI :) |
| [18:05:38] | TauPan: | however I'm sure I've set my directories correctly and the have the correct permissions |
| [18:05:44] | devinheitmueller: | TauPan: can you please pastebin your dmesg so I can get some more context? |
| [18:06:01] | TauPan: | devinheitmueller: ok |
| [18:07:03] | TauPan: | ah, mplayer also stops after aw hile |
| [18:07:31] | devinheitmueller: | J-e-f-f-A: the 1600 is the only one that has an encoder. There is another PCI hauppauge hybrid card, but it only has a framegrabber for analog. |
| [18:07:38] | devinheitmueller: | lunch just arrived, bbiab. |
| [18:09:01] | TauPan: | devinheitmueller: http://pastebin.com/m325a4d4 |
| [18:09:07] | TauPan: | (full dmesg output) |
| [18:09:09] | skd5aner: | hmmm, now I have to decide if it's worth it to spend money on a new card that does the same thing my old cards already do (only with a chance that it does it slightly better) |
| [18:12:31] | TauPan: | hm, mplayer simply says "end of file" |
| [18:12:43] | ** TauPan looksk at his interrupts. ** | |
| [18:14:08] | ** iamlindoro strongly suspects very broken cable stream/signal ** | |
| [18:14:08] | TauPan: | hm, three times cx88[0] on interrupt 18 |
| [18:14:31] | TauPan: | it's analog tv, encoded with the card's on-board encoder |
| [18:14:42] | Dagmar: | TauPan: So when you see those things, as sad as this sounds, sometimes you can get rid of them by going and _touching_ that file (`touch filename`) to create it so that the backend has something to delete, and then nukes that entry from the db |
| [18:14:44] | TauPan: | watching from framegrabber works |
| [18:15:53] | iamlindoro: | Ah, if an analog signal then yeah, devinheitmueller is probably right an possible driver issue |
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| [18:19:00] | TauPan: | also when I try to switch from 720x568 (the default setting) to 768x568 (full PAL), I can not only not watch any video any more, also resetting it to 720 doesn't help and I have to reboot |
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| [18:19:29] | Dagmar: | That would almost certainly be a driver issue |
| [18:19:46] | TauPan: | sounds likely |
| [18:23:21] | ** TauPan looks on http://ivtvdriver.org ** | |
| [18:26:21] | TauPan: | hm, looks like I might need to try a newer kernel first |
| [18:26:43] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [18:27:01] | Dagmar: | Second thing to do would be to double-check any applicable firmware |
| [18:27:32] | TauPan: | which means I *have* to switch to the radeon driver, since the old fglrx driver I have to use won't compile with newer kernels. |
| [18:28:00] | dmz: | :( i want my myth-hulu to work on my via frontends :( |
| [18:28:06] | TauPan: | hm, I think I'll try to find a newer firmware first, that seems less hassle at the moment |
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| [18:29:13] | TauPan: | hm, have to cook dinner... I'll be back at the keyboard later |
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| [19:09:22] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: back from lunch yet? |
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| [19:11:14] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: yeah, just got back. |
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| [19:11:31] | skd5aner: | ahh, hope it was as good as my leftovers :) |
| [19:11:48] | skd5aner: | anyway – had a couple quick follow up Qs for you... |
| [19:11:58] | devinheitmueller: | shoot. |
| [19:12:14] | skd5aner: | 1) you mentioned you were going to work on some of the "newer" cards re: analog PQ, which cards were you referring to? was the 1600 one of them? |
| [19:12:33] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, the 1600 is definitely on my list of cards to look at. |
| [19:12:58] | Dagmar: | grrr i hate lm_sensors |
| [19:13:00] | skd5aner: | is there a noticable difference in PQ on that card within linux vs Windows? |
| [19:13:14] | devinheitmueller: | Bear in mind that some of the cards are already pretty good. My first step is to try to evaluate the relative quality of the cards. The second step is to identify *why* the ones that are worse are like that. |
| [19:13:41] | devinheitmueller: | I'm not really at a point where I can comment on which cards are good/bad at this stage. |
| [19:13:46] | skd5aner: | i see, yea – was curious your reasoning behind it |
| [19:14:11] | skd5aner: | er, curious about |
| [19:14:27] | devinheitmueller: | I've looked at a couple of boards in particular that I use regularly for testing, and I hooked one of them up to the analog generator and said, "wow, that is f**k'ed up." |
| [19:14:36] | skd5aner: | ha – nice |
| [19:14:54] | devinheitmueller: | Now that I have the tools necessary to better evaluate the actual quality of the decoders, I will be doing testing to see where they are each at. |
| [19:15:09] | skd5aner: | I look forward to see the output! |
| [19:15:15] | devinheitmueller: | Would recommend you keep an eye on the blog, since that is where I usually talk about such topics. |
| [19:15:20] | skd5aner: | I'll probably hold off and see where things go... |
| [19:15:33] | skd5aner: | I JUST found your blog about 20 mins ago, on kernallabs? |
| [19:15:40] | devinheitmueller: | yeah, it's kernellabs.com |
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| [19:16:04] | skd5aner: | yea – was reading about how you worked on some of the QAM capabilities for the 1600 recently |
| [19:16:25] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, it is *MUCH* better now. |
| [19:16:30] | skd5aner: | and the ALSA stuff – didn't get that at first, but reading through some of the comments it was interesting |
| [19:16:56] | devinheitmueller: | Well, the ALSA stuff is all about being able to listen to analog audio in cases where you're using raw video capture (as opposed to using the MPEG encoder). |
| [19:17:06] | devinheitmueller: | For example, if you use tvtime, you're not using the MPEG encoder. |
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| [19:17:32] | devinheitmueller: | ... these things are less critical to people using the card for DVR, but more valuable for people who want to watch live TV with low latency. |
| [19:17:40] | skd5aner: | well, anyway, I guess my other question is that there appears to be different models and/or revisions of the 1600, anything to look out for there or are they all functionally the same in linux? |
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| [19:18:05] | devinheitmueller: | .... for example, you could never play your PS3 if you're using the MPEG encoder. |
| [19:18:29] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: yup, the comments helped clarify, but I can remember the discussions 6 years ago when people were asking if they could play their gamecubes through myth ;) |
| [19:18:30] | devinheitmueller: | There are only a few variants of the 1600, depending on whether you need IR and/or FM support. |
| [19:18:43] | Dagmar: | Wait, what? |
| [19:18:47] | Dagmar: | Never play your PS2? |
| [19:18:50] | Dagmar: | er PS3? |
| [19:19:08] | Dagmar: | Did you mean "never play the video files on your PS3?" |
| [19:19:24] | devinheitmueller: | I honestly couldn't say whether the FM works on the 1600 under Linux since the board I happened to have doesn't have it – but the IR should work fine if you get a board that includes the support. |
| [19:19:59] | skd5aner: | Dagmar: he means, play a PS3 (or realtime system) through a capture card, the latency would kill you |
| [19:20:15] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: I mean you could never play a video console on a feed that goes through a TV tuner if it uses the MPEG encoder. The latency is high enough that by the time you saw the fireball come at you, you would be dead. |
| [19:21:05] | devinheitmueller: | With an application like tvtime and raw video capture, the latency is actually low enough that you can use it to play video games. |
| [19:21:15] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: good deal, just was browsing around and saw a few different options for the 1600 |
| [19:21:26] | skd5aner: | thx |
| [19:21:29] | devinheitmueller: | np |
| [19:22:09] | skd5aner: | I might hold off and see the output of your tests for the analog stuff, I've been living with the PVR-250 quality since 2004, I can wait a little longer |
| [19:22:10] | Dagmar: | Oh god yeah |
| [19:22:40] | Dagmar: | Hell half the time you have to give LCD TVs the evil eye about it because they'll engage a rescaler or somesuch that adds a nice 75ms lag |
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| [19:23:04] | Dagmar: | Suddenly, Guitar Hero becomes the Bob Dylan Singalong |
| [19:23:19] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: much of it also depends on how sensitive you are to such things. The cards basically work, it's just a question of how well optimized/fine tuned they are. |
| [19:24:20] | skd5aner: | well, I'm sensitive enough to think that I've suffered for a long time with what I've got ;) |
| [19:24:42] | Dagmar: | ...and since you're actually here to be able to casually confirm/deny this, the deal with TVTime is such because the tuner card just paints the video into a window of video RAM, right? |
| [19:25:59] | devinheitmueller: | Dagmar: Well, no. Tvtime still reads the video like any other application, but then it turns around and immediately outputs it to XVideo. So there is no MPEG encoding or on-disk buffering, or network I/O between a backend/frontend. |
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| [19:27:13] | Dagmar: | okay. I thought they were still just copying what they tuned straight into the video card's memory, but that was like 10 years ago when I looked into it |
| [19:27:31] | Dagmar: | handing it to xvideo is close enough |
| [19:27:32] | devinheitmueller: | There is hardware that does that, but it tends to be quite specialized. |
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| [19:27:49] | devinheitmueller: | Some of the SOC embedded designs do it (and provide the ability to do overlays, etc) |
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| [19:29:18] | AndyCap: | VGA Feature connector! |
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| [19:35:52] | TauPan: | devinheitmueller: any additional remarks to the info I pasted? |
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| [19:48:57] | devinheitmueller: | TauPan: my guess is that the driver doesn't properly handle the case where you're not allowed to change the video standard after streaming is started. On those devices, once the encoder is running you cannot change the video standard or capture resolution without stopping the encoder, and then restarting it after the change. Perhaps the driver doesn't deny the request like it should. |
| [19:49:29] | devinheitmueller: | ... and then when the encoder receives the command while the stream is running it puts the chip into an unknown state. |
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| [19:52:34] | TauPan: | hm, sounds like my plan is then: 1. try firmware update just because it's simpler, 2. try new driver with radeon vga (because of untainted kernel) 3. maybe report bug with new driver |
| [19:55:29] | TauPan: | (and since I'm sick atm and just want to watch tv, I'll do that next weekend) |
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| [19:59:38] | devinheitmueller: | TauPan: yeah, your best bet is to come up with the simplest case which demonstrates the problem, and then report it to linux-media. |
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| [20:08:04] | kisak: | I have a frontend with a radeon 9250 SE in it that only has to deal with SD mpeg2 video, when I start a show, it plays fine, but if I pause it, it will stutter from then on |
| [20:08:35] | kisak: | it didn't use to have that behavior a good while back |
| [20:09:09] | Dagmar: | So revert your ATI driver changes |
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| [20:10:54] | kisak: | the known good driver package is long gone at this point |
| [20:11:12] | kisak: | this is an issue from over 6 months ago |
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| [20:35:16] | TauPan: | ok, thanks |
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| [21:09:52] | TauPan: | kisak: which distro? on debian you could get every possible package version from svn |
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| [21:16:49] | gbee: | kisak: which driver, official or oss? |
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| [21:53:48] | songer: | hello |
| [21:54:35] | songer: | i've just installed mythtv. how can i add movies? |
| [21:54:49] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo |
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| [21:56:04] | gbee: | songer: sounds like you need to install mythvideo and then point it at your video collection |
| [21:56:49] | gbee: | assuming you didn't mean, "How can I record movies" |
| [21:58:02] | songer: | i wanna watch movies on mythtv |
| [22:00:14] | wagnerrp: | you install mythvideo, you give it the directory that contains your movies, you scan for content, and then you select what you want from the list |
| [22:01:50] | skd5aner: | songer: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo |
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| [22:07:44] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Am I misreading something or is it actually rescanning every 30 minutes or so on it's own now? |
| [22:08:33] | Dagmar: | ...or is the UPnPMedia log message just the UPnP stuff in Myth doing scanning |
| [22:09:07] | gbee: | that's upnp independent of mythvideo |
| [22:09:22] | gbee: | it does it's own scan for some reason |
| [22:09:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, upnp maintains its own separate cache of files |
| [22:09:28] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt use videometadata |
| [22:09:53] | wagnerrp: | that could be changed now that content is available over SGs, but no one has yet bothered to |
| [22:11:28] | Dagmar: | Hmm... I'm not so sure it's a good thing it's doing that unless it's required to by the UPnP spec or something |
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| [22:11:50] | Dagmar: | It's likely to prevent drives from going into a power-down state, wake up drives that are asleep, and needlessly increment atimes |
| [22:12:25] | wagnerrp: | as far as i know, its always worked that way |
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| [22:14:34] | Dagmar: | Yeah well, I'm now getting around to setting up log filtering/monitoring, so it was actually able to catch my attention |
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| [22:14:56] | iamlindoro: | We'll be adding a Myth FilesystemWatcher before .24, at which point whomever is interested in uPnP can feel free to adapt it to use that |
| [22:15:37] | iamlindoro: | or even better change uPnP to use videometadata, which will also ideally be merged with the frontend and using the filesystemwatcher for scanning |
| [22:16:25] | songer: | i set the directories that hold videos how can I save the changes |
| [22:16:43] | wagnerrp: | where did you set them? |
| [22:16:56] | iamlindoro: | read the above documentation |
| [22:17:03] | iamlindoro: | it is not enough to simply set the directories |
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| [22:20:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, or even better wait until the new file schema is in place and use that in combination with MFileSystemWatcher. :) |
| [22:20:52] | iamlindoro: | ^^^ + |
| [22:22:01] | gbee: | the file system watcher can't come soon enough, a lot of things would benefit from that |
| [22:22:05] | superm1: | MFileSystemWatcher = inotify on the directory? |
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| [22:22:19] | iamlindoro: | in linux, yes |
| [22:22:50] | iamlindoro: | MFileSystemWatcher is a wrapper for QFileSystemWatcher, which is the Qt functionality that wraps the various platform filesystem watchers |
| [22:23:02] | gbee: | superm1: platform independent, but yes it will use the best tool on each system, wrapper for QT's stuff |
| [22:23:23] | superm1: | so what does thw wrapper add then that's not in QFileSystemWatcher? |
| [22:23:23] | gbee: | iamlindoro managed to explain that better |
| [22:23:52] | iamlindoro: | Myth message/event sending and handling |
| [22:24:48] | iamlindoro: | ie translating an updateevent into a Myth event that we can propagate to frontends, multiple backends, etc. |
| [22:25:00] | superm1: | Right |
| [22:25:15] | gbee: | superm1: it will deal with storage groups and myth's event system, simplify things at the point where it's actually called upon as well as sharing a single instance between multiple plugins |
| [22:27:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | and MFileSystemWatcher will maintain a cache of all files found on all systems. new backend starts up, it sends out notifications messages to other MFileSystemWatchers about what files it has available. If the local FE has a MFileSystemWatcher, then it doesn't have to ask the BE if a file exists, because it already knows. |
| [22:28:45] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: I finally figured out why MPEG-TS seeking is so slow in MythTV |
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| [22:29:08] | ** sphery waits anxiously ** | |
| [22:29:09] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Is it because I hate community? |
| [22:29:16] | iamlindoro: | because that tends to be a good reason |
| [22:29:34] | sphery: | I'm assuming this is the without-seektable seeking, right? |
| [22:29:39] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: yes... please stop hating community |
| [22:29:56] | elmojo: | sphery: correct... using libavf seeking |
| [22:29:56] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Last I heard you mentioned differences between linear read and using a ringbuffer, but do tell |
| [22:30:12] | sphery: | elmojo: cool... Would be great to fix that |
| [22:30:30] | sphery: | the suspense is killing me |
| [22:30:42] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: it has to do with how MPEG-TS performs seeks and how our RingBuffer code handles EOF seeks |
| [22:31:24] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: any viable solution/improvement? |
| [22:31:46] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: yes... it's easy to improve dramatically |
| [22:31:56] | sphery: | sweet! |
| [22:32:03] | elmojo: | I've got seek times down from 1 second to about 0.25 seconds |
| [22:32:13] | ** iamlindoro really needs to start working harder, as elmojo keeps putting him to shame ** | |
| [22:32:25] | elmojo: | yeah right |
| [22:32:34] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Oh, pfft, just 75% better, I thought you were going to quote a big improvement |
| [22:32:43] | elmojo: | I'm probably going to just file a bug and wait for the BSP to release the patch :) |
| [22:32:57] | iamlindoro: | awww |
| [22:33:01] | elmojo: | 4x better |
| [22:33:07] | iamlindoro: | If it's about getting us to notice you, we notice you :) |
| [22:33:25] | ** elmojo waves both hands in the air ** | |
| [22:33:41] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: So what's the method for the magic improvement? |
| [22:34:11] | iamlindoro: | You know, so I can create a patch and see what it is to feel like elmojo for a day |
| [22:34:13] | elmojo: | the EOF handling in the RingBuffer safe_read function just needs optimizing |
| [22:34:26] | elmojo: | right now we implement delays and retries when we shouldn't |
| [22:35:07] | elmojo: | not much you can do if it's the EOF... we shouldn't wait and retry... the file isn't going to start growing magically |
| [22:35:36] | elmojo: | I'm going to but some debug in ffplay and see how it handles the EOF situation compared to us |
| [22:35:46] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [22:35:50] | iamlindoro: | ncie work, though |
| [22:36:03] | iamlindoro: | er nice |
| [22:36:12] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: would you prefer to not have to create seek tables for your Bluray stuff? |
| [22:38:37] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: I prefer *any* improvements, regardless of whether they have direct application to me, but it is a rhetorical question I hope :) |
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| [22:41:06] | elmojo: | iamlindoro, sphery: this will improve seek timing but still doesn't address some accuracy issues... but that only matters for frame-by-frame seeking |
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| [22:41:09] | elmojo: | and I'm still not sure if the speed increase will make FF and REW fast enough |
| [22:41:09] | elmojo: | if all you want to do is skip around then you'll be very happy |
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| [22:54:51] | kisak: | TauPan, gbee: sorry for the delay, It's a gentoo system with xf86-video-ati |
| [22:54:51] | kisak: | gbee: there's no chance that official radeon drivers for a 9250 would work with a recent kernel |
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| [22:56:38] | kisak: | TauPan, gbee: and to save you the need to backscroll to understand what I'm talking about, my issue is that the video playback stutters after it has been paused |
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| [22:57:54] | gbee: | kisak: I know, but you didn't say which kernel you were using, so I had to ask all the same |
| [22:57:58] | gbee: | saw that |
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| [23:00:00] | kisak: | gbee: I've been distracted updating the herd of computers here and upgrading to mythtv 0.22 |
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| [23:11:11] | th_: | wtf |
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| [23:51:08] | MNIchie: | I'm having problems getting my Hauppauge 950Q working. Is anybody familiar with this card? |
| [23:56:38] | MNIchie: | or does anyone know of a TV card that works with mythtv? |
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| [23:59:03] | kisak: | is there an upgrade procedure for mythtv 0.22 or does the backend detect that the database is an old schema and convert it to conform to 0.22 automagicly? |
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| [23:59:16] | mjj29: | usually |
| [23:59:19] | mjj29: | MNIchie: most hauppages |
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