Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, January 13th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

from a 0.22-fixes backup you'd do: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore , specifically http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _of_a_backup

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th1_:

ok

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th1_:

but I'll go back to the old backup if I decide to do fresh 0.22

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sphery:

that's probably the best approach

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sphery:

that way, you'll know that you're not bringing over corrupt data that was corrupted by the upgrade

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sphery:

anyway, good luck

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th1_:

thans

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th1_:

by the way is it possible in the new UI to have the mouse show?

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th1_:

because when I do stuff onthe backend its over a vnc connection

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th1_:

since it's a headless server

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sphery:

I think there's a setting for it, but the mouse itself only works with some controls

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th1_:

ok

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th1_:

anyway it's much nicer already

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th1_:

boxes etc. fit on the screen

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sphery:

yeah, lots of improvements in 0.22

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th1_:

I just waited until now because I have such a complex setup and I have 2 backends and 2 frontends

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th1_:

so upgrading is a lot of work :)

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sphery:

yeah, understood

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sphery:

don't tell anyone, but I haven't upgraded my 0.21-fixes production system, yet, either.

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th1_:

hehe

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sphery:

I'm doing a distro upgrade for all computers on my network and it just wasn't worth doing until I'd finished that.

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th1_:

I will probably reinstall my frontend. its a diskless box running ubuntu 9.04 with nfsroot

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th1_:

but the backend is debian now and finally I can get rid of that nasty ubuntu chroot

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sphery:

otherwise, I upgrade Myth, then upgrade distro, then have to reinstall Myth on new distro

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th1_:

and the other backend for the dvb receivers is ubuntu now but I'll probably upgrade it to debian

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th1_:

yes...

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th1_:

the good thing with the chroot is that I could upgrade my debian several times without touching myth

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sphery:

Isn't Debian with all the non-free/patent-questionable/badly-licensed stuff required to make Myth work just Ubuntu?

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sphery:

I.e. by the time you put all that stuff on there (violating the basic principles of Debian), you've basically turned it into what Ubuntu is. :)

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th1_:

:)

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sphery:

(Though I admit that how you configure them is very different... I'm exaggerating here, but...)

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th1_:

except all the crutft like startup etc.

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sphery:

yeah

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th1_:

ubuntu has lots of things that are not useful for a server but only a desktop

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sphery:

Like NetworkMangler :)

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th1_:

I'm not using debian for religious reasons but because it's the best server OS imho

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th1_:

I use ubuntu on my desktop and laptop

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th1_:

yeah but NetMan is nice on the laptop

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th1_:

for wifi management

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sphery:

true

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syamajala:

i got fed up with mythbuntu and am switching my myth box to archlinux

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th1_:

my server runs loads of other things than myth

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sphery:

I've noticed Arch getting much more popular recently... Wonder why that is.

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th1_:

debian is the most allround server distro and now with added benefit of the nice guys at debian-multimedia.org doing mythtv in an up to date version

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wagnerrp:

arguably, your belief that debian is the 'best server OS' could be termed a religious reason

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th1_:

I think Arch is clean and simple and pretty ideal for a one-job horse like myth

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th1_:

wagnerrp, it could ;)

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sphery:

funny part is that the whole reason Debian dropped glibc is because they felt that Ulrich Drepper only cared about the server

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syamajala:

i started using arch in 2005 when 0.7 came out

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sphery:

I may have to take a look at Arch

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th1_:

the good thing about debian is that there are so many packages for it

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th1_:

and that so many people use it that it's well supported with backports etc.

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gizmobay:

Anyone know what the mythtv-status script is for in /etc/init.d?

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sphery:

it's a 3rd party script that hits the database and the backend status port and various other things and directly reads raw data and attempts to interpret it in such a way that it can put a message in your /etc/issue* that tells you what Myth is doing when you log in

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sphery:

or something like that

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gizmobay:

thanks

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sphery:

It /really/ needs to be rewritten to use the Python bindings that wagnerrp has made so nice rather than trying to do all that stuff with raw data

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wagnerrp:

whats that?

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wagnerrp:

oh, mythtv-status

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gizmobay:

I can't figure out how my BE is starting on boot automatically

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wagnerrp:

i *think* it only polls the XML data

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wagnerrp:

so arguably, it should get consumed by the python bindings (and perl for that matter)

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sphery:

I'm pretty sure there are parts doing other things--and bad things

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gizmobay:

my system OS has been upgraded and went from packages to compile

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gizmobay:

I can't figure out what/who's starting my BE

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sphery:

gizmobay: probably the left over start stuff from the previously-installed packages

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sphery:

though you probably know that and are wondering what, specifically...

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gizmobay:

yes, true LOL

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gizmobay:

I always thought it was monit

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wagnerrp:

sphery: on first glance, its not pulling in any modules that would allow it to access the database or mythproto sockets

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wagnerrp:

ah, it does access the perl/mythtv bindings

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sphery:

I don't remember the details, but I was pretty sure from descriptions and the author's comments on the list that it's doing some bad things

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sphery:

The fact that the last update was Jul 30, 2008, also speaks to its safety, IMHO... http://www.etc.gen.nz/projects/mythtv/tarballs/

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sid3windr:

sphery: only checks the xml returned by the backend

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sid3windr:

(just went over the source – again)

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wagnerrp:

http://localhost:6544/xml is just an xml version of the information on the backend status page?

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sid3windr:

that xml is huge in and by itself =)

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gizmobay:

looks like the /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf is starting the BE on boot

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wagnerrp:

sid3windr: not quite, it does poll a handful of mythproto queries

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sid3windr:

uhh

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sid3windr:

did I miss those?

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sid3windr:

or am I running a different version

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wagnerrp:

QUERY_GETALLPENDING and QUERY_RECORDINGS

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wagnerrp:

both read-only and benign

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sid3windr:

oh right

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wagnerrp:

i dont see what else it could be doing that might be 'bad'

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sid3windr:

that's using the Myth Perl bindings though

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sid3windr:

hehe

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sid3windr:

so yea, doesnt look too bad

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sid3windr:

if you don't give it perl api it only does the xml

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wagnerrp:

right

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sphery:

it's the "interpreting" of the data that's bad

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sphery:

because we change Myth

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sphery:

and anything external to myth that's interpreting data must be updated to properly interpret the data

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sphery:

if it were all done through bindings, it would be great--the bindings would be updated to properly interpret data when things changes

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sphery:

but since it's a hodge-podge of different things...

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i would consider that a ban-able offense

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iamlindoro:

wazzat?

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wagnerrp:

oh, nevermind

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wagnerrp:

i didnt see the block in recent changed

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wagnerrp:

changes

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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sphery:

heh, like the block msg

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iamlindoro:

;)

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wagnerrp:

whats amusing is he didnt even seem to know how to work mediawiki

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sphery:

would have made more sense to use an actual word as the link

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sphery:

meaning a word that makes sense in context

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sphery:

amazingly fast response, btw

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** iamlindoro is on it **

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syamajala:

woot sound works again!

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iamlindoro:

for example, I am chatting with you while pedaling ~23 MPH

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sphery:

better than the wikipedia guys

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wagnerrp:

impressive

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sphery:

heh, only 23

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wagnerrp:

you know, skd5aner's idea could be implemented fairly easily in mythvideo

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th1_:

sphery, that new channel editor gui in mythweb is almost exactly like my php script ;) only my php script is much leaner so doesn't hang firefox with my thousands of channels

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sphery:

heh, yeah, it's pretty basic in MW

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xris:

"new channel editor gui"?

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iamlindoro:

fr various values of new

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xris:

er, "new" ?

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wagnerrp:

just make the directory scanner 'ghost' videos instead of actually deleting them

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sphery:

xris: new to him :)

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sphery:

(or her?)

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th1_:

him

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wagnerrp:

and have it as another filter

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th1_:

its crashed my ffox :)

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xris:

th1_: submit a patch and wait the 9 or so months for me and/or kormoc to have time to fix it. :)

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sphery:

heh, just didn't want to be accused of being sexist

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, why not just filter by watched?

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wagnerrp:

leave it up to an external script to populate videometadata with ghost entries

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th1_:

xris, I guess I'll just use my simple phpscript

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th1_:

but I have to upgrade it to the db changes

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wagnerrp:

of course that wouldnt do much for recordings

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xris:

th1_: mythweb probably needs to be upgraded, too. kormoc and I have been too busy on non-myth stuff for way too long...

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wagnerrp:

so it would probably be of limited use in mythvideo

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th1_:

xris, ah..

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th1_:

mythweb could be the ultimate thing really

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sphery:

xris: I hope when the settings rework goes in, MW will get an immediate and 0-effort upgrade for settings (including channel scans)

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th1_:

in fact it could be a full frontend for things like netbooks if it was enhanced with flash etc.

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sphery:

as the plan that's been proposed is all HTTP-based

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** kormoc blinks **

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Dibblah:

th1_: Flash sucks for full-screen video.

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kormoc:

We have flash video now

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sphery:

agreed

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th1_:

Dibblah, yeah but the flash video is a bit broken

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wagnerrp:

s/for full-screen video.//

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sphery:

Flash needs to GDIAF

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Dibblah:

Flash sucks for scaled anything.

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th1_:

at least on my system

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Dibblah:

No, it's a limitation of flash.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: +1

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th1_:

the good thing about flash is: friend visits with laptop. connects to my wifi. types mythtv in his browser, and can watch tv in his room

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Dibblah:

It has essentially no hardware accel of scaling.

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xris:

th1_: flash video in the open source world sucks.... there are no good on-the-fly encoders that can support seeking

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Dibblah:

xris: It's not limited to Linux.

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Dibblah:

It sucks on Windows too.

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th1_:

dunno if there are any alternatives that don't require closed source plugins

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xris:

th1_: serverside, not client

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xris:

it's the encoders/streaming servers that are the problem more than the client.

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kormoc:

Aye

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kormoc:

we're sorta faking it as we're encoding on the fly

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th1_:

but the use case for a plugin-free webbased client is very compelling

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th1_:

any laptop/pc windows or linux or mac could be used

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xris:

could just use <video> and switch everything to theora

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th1_:

to connect to myth infrastructure

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kormoc:

theora isn't supported in safari or IE

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kormoc:

sadly

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sphery:

the video tag would be much better

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kormoc:

th1_: has that now...

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xris:

kormoc: neither is <video>

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sphery:

and who cares about IE/Safari :)

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xris:

since theora is part of that spec.

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kormoc:

xris: sadly, it's not part of the spec anymore

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xris:

oh, what was it replaced with?

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kormoc:

xris: they removed recommending any specific codec from the spec

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sphery:

yeah, they ripped out specific recommendations for CODEC

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xris:

oh, lovely

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sphery:

because they couldn't make everyone happy

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sphery:

so, makes it mostly useless

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wagnerrp:

then what good is the spec if theres no standard?

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sphery:

(at least for cross-browser use)

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xris:

well, that's good... since theora is a weird thing to reqire.. but no standard is even worse

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xris:

everything will end up being drm-laden wmv

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wagnerrp:

dirac!

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th1_:

beh my frontend box has to be upgraded first to jaunty and then to karmic :(

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kormoc:

Apple wanted h264, ff wanted theory, ie wants some wmv...

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sphery:

patents/royalties/... killed the standardization of a CODEC

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Dagmar:

Theora's one of the few things they could require that wouldn't immediately mean money has to change hands

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th1_:

I bet that will find a way to break over nfs

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wagnerrp:

th1_: you could start scratch

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wagnerrp:

probably in less time

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kormoc:

th1_: right now your visitors can watch via the ASX link in vlc/any asx compatable media player just fine without any plugins

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th1_:

kormoc, for some reason it hangs badly in winamp and wmp and zplayer

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you probably dont want visitors using flash

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kormoc:

I know it works perfectly fine with vlc and mplayer

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wagnerrp:

at least my web server isnt fast enough to do HD mpeg2 --> sorensen in real time

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th1_:

I'll try it with vlc right now

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kormoc:

if you can figure out why it's hanging in winamp/wmp/zplayer, we can fix it, but we're fully RFC compliant right now

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th1_:

kormoc, it works perfectly in vlc

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th1_:

then I guess I'll just use that ;)

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** wagnerrp just shares the recordings over samba **

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** xris uses mythfrontend. :) **

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th1_:

kormoc, only downside its not deinterlaced

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kormoc:

VLC has deinterlacing plugins

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th1_:

lol I use mythfrontend too but not on windows box because it craps out badly

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xris:

th1_: what's this "interlaced" thing you speak of? ;)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but its already scaled... cant really deint after that

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: the ASX streaming is a raw stream, untouched

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wagnerrp:

oh, right

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xris:

asx is just an xml file with a URL in it to download the recording

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th1_:

xris, its gone now with Deinterlace->Bob in vlc

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wagnerrp:

thought he was talking about the flash/ffmpeg

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th1_:

and it wors with seeking as well

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xris:

some players have issues if you use https and/or any form of auth on your mythweb

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th1_:

I've disabled all of that

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th1_:

but even then it doesn't work in winamp or wmp or zplayer

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th1_:

but I don't care because vlc is better than those anyway

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th1_:

at least for video

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wagnerrp:

but it looks fugly

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wagnerrp:

and the other two are only as good as their supplied codecs

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th1_:

yes

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wagnerrp:

if you dont fill out directshow (or otherwise install ffdshow), they wont do anything

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th1_:

but I have some "CCCP community codec pack" installed

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kormoc:

th1_: if you want to debug the others, just use wireshark to get the http requests/offsets/etc and see what's up

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th1_:

it plays all my video files

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wagnerrp:

CCCP is little more than ffdshow and vobsub

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th1_:

kormoc, maybe later right now I'm upgrading all my production myth infrastructure to 0.22 :)

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kormoc:

likely what's going on is they're sending a range request that returns 0 bytes and expecting one

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wagnerrp:

hardly a 'codec pack'

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th1_:

wagnerrp, I don't know much about Windows

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th1_:

only that I had to install that to watch my xvid etc... ;)

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kormoc:

I need to simply my life, reduce my expenditures and go full consulting, get some free time back again

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wagnerrp:

th1_: if you installed zoomplayer, no you didnt

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th1_:

wagnerrp, I think I installed it because I googled that it was good for playing certain streams

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th1_:

but I can't remember exactly

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th1_:

it was just associated with .asx :)

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wagnerrp:

zoomplayer will automatically download and install everything that comes with cccp and more

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th1_:

tbh I'd prefer to just get myth to work on my windows box

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th1_:

which I'll try when my other machines are working on .22

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th1_:

when I tried with .21 it was misery though

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wagnerrp:

theres a pre-compiled package for that, but ive not managed to get that to run

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th1_:

same here but that was with .21

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wagnerrp:

3rd party, nothing official

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xris:

and doubt there will ever be anything official. no $$ to buy rights to use certain codecs

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xris:

which we'd have to do in order to distribute a binary

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th1_:

it's not important as long as some people package it up

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th1_:

anyway it's less support

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th1_:

even with $$ the license terms for the codecs probably wouldn't be gpl compatible

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wagnerrp:

theyre GPL implementations of the codec

[01:15:58]

th1_:

yeah but buying the patent rights for exactly what?

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wagnerrp:

you just need a license to distribute that implementation

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th1_:

for those who download an official myth distro? or for everyone who uses the GPL code distributed with it?

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wagnerrp:

the right to produce software with that codec

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th1_:

that's the Novell issue

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th1_:

and open source people would go berserk

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wagnerrp:

currently, mythtv does not include code for any such licensed codecs

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xris:

wagnerrp: in the debian/redhat argument, some code released under the gpl is not actually compatible with the gpl due to patent issues (e.g. mp3)

[01:17:06]

wagnerrp:

it merely hooks into other dependent libraries

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wagnerrp:

xris: oh

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syamajala:

i'm having a weird problem

[01:17:39]

syamajala:

every time i reboot my capture cards switch the device they are under, under /dev

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th1_:

xris, its still compatible with the GPL as long as you distribute the source

[01:17:44]

xris:

wagnerrp: the mp3 thing is a license interpretation issue that hasn't actually been tested in law. companies like red hat have chosen to follow the side of caution.

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kormoc:

syamajala: so write a udev rule or two to fix it

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wagnerrp:

syamajala: are they identical cards?

[01:18:04]

syamajala:

no

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xris:

th1_: no. gpl has a "no patent-encumbered formats" clause in it...

[01:18:14]

th1_:

only v3

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syamajala:

one is a bttv, another ivtv, and a third something else

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wagnerrp:

then do what kormoc said

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wagnerrp:

if they were identical... theres not much you could do

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xris:

th1_: I'm not super familiar with either issue. I just know that some groups see certain codecs as potential problems.

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kormoc:

th1_: not true, http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html "We wish to avoid the danger that redistributors of a free program will individually obtain patent licenses, in effect making the program proprietary. To prevent this, we have made it clear that any patent must be licensed for everyone's free use or not licensed at all."

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th1_:

xris, the main issue is that even with money to buy rights to codecs the problem wouldn't really go away

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th1_:

right kormoc

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xris:

correct

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th1_:

that's what I meant when I said any patent license myth.org might buy would probably not be gpl compatible

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th1_:

because it would not be a blanket license for anyone who uses the software..

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xris:

th1_: also means that the mp3 issue is present in v2

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kormoc:

I was just pointing out that v2 also specified the no patent-encumbered code clause

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th1_:

it would have to be like the intel firmware license http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=4

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xris:

that statement doesn't talk about licensing the use of a patent for a specific distribution. it talks about the patent itself. it's not compatible if the patent is "ok for some users and not others"

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th1_:

so the patent license would have to cover everyone who used the software

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xris:

like mp3 decoding which is free for free apps, but costs money if you charge for your app, or your app is a hardware device

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th1_:

even after modifying it or taking parts of it out

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kormoc:

th1_: for it to be gpl compliment (v2 and v3) it can't restrict at all (for your users or not)

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th1_:

kormoc, and that's why I don't think it would be possible to obtain such a license

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th1_:

unless you'd pay millions of dollars for it

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th1_:

because it'd in effect be a global patent license to use the patent with any gpl software for anyone

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kormoc:

actually

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kormoc:

it's a patent license to use it with anything for anyone, not only with gpl software

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th1_:

you might conceivably restrict it to gpl software

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th1_:

without violating the gpl

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Dagmar:

Maybe you should read that whole thing before speculating like this

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kormoc:

negative

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th1_:

but IANAL and it's complicated..

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th1_:

in the end it'd be the courts that decide and might even decide differently in different countries

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kormoc:

it's a blanket statement saying it has to be free to all regardless of the license or just not patented

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xris:

th1_: it's not about the specific patent license, it's about *how* the patent is licensed

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th1_:

only insofar as it relates to "The Program"

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th1_:

again, as I read it

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xris:

using patented code is not gpl compatible if the patent owner places *any* restrictions on the patent itself.. which might even include allowances like "this patent is free for use in open source software"

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kormoc:

Speaking of the GPL, the FSF is starting a campaign to oppose the Selective Output Control waiver soon.

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kormoc:

That's your FSF membership at work folks!

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th1_:

nice

[01:27:06]

** xris forgets what that's about **

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iamlindoro:

turning off component video at will

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xris:

oh, analog hole plugging

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iamlindoro:

yup

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th1_:

FSF does many good things

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xris:

hurray for those with no digital device.

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th1_:

DRM campaign has had an effect

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kormoc:

th1_: which is why you're a member I'm sure

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th1_:

have been since 2006

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th1_:

I even donated $1000 a few years back when they started the patent campaign after all the microsoft/novell bs

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syamajala:

hmm

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th1_:

got a nice signed letter from Peter Brown in return :)

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Dagmar:

The selectable output control thing is just retarded

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xris:

so is drm in general

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xris:

like the crap silicondust has to deal with to get cablecard support

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Dagmar:

Well, I still think the people responsible for even asking for that waiver should be flogged.

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Dagmar:

Their initial argument was that it would allow them to open up new markets, so people could watch movies sooner

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th1_:

tbh I don't care about it because I never use technology that supports DRM

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Dagmar:

...which is questionable at best. Asking a gov't agency to make new rules to _create_ a market for you is bullshit.

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th1_:

when all music was drm protected I pirated it. now that I can buy mp3's I do that legally.

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xris:

th1_: so you're still using analog tv?

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Dagmar:

But it gets _better_.

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th1_:

the same with movies

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th1_:

xris, in UK

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xris:

and vhs?

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Dagmar:

The way they worded it, analog output would be disabled until the content was available for sale on DVD

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th1_:

there is freeview and freesat

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Dagmar:

...which would mean NOT just enabling a new market of first run movies to homes like they claimed.

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xris:

th1_: "technology that supports DRM"... dvd player supports macrovision, which is drm, hdmi supports drm, etc....

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xris:

actually, vhs has macrovision, too....

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th1_:

I don't own a DVD player

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wagnerrp:

macrovision is not DRM

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Dagmar:

It would have meant just about absolutely everything would have the analog ports turned off until it was well into reruns

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xris:

wagnerrp: well, probably, true. it's copy protection.

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th1_:

sometimes I rip DVD's on my MythCenter

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Dagmar:

....because they don't start selling DVDs of a show until some time after the entire season is over with.

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xris:

depends on how you define drm

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th1_:

but that's now legal in europe

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th1_:

as long as you own the dvd and its for your own use

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xris:

th1_: was more just pointing out the grammatical error in your statement.

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th1_:

ok :)

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Dagmar:

So while they looked like they were asking for a new market that would be useful, they were really asking for the ability to disable the analog output for about 95% of the television out there.

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xris:

or playing on the varied meanings of "support"

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th1_:

either way we agree on the principles

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Dagmar:

It was almost as bad as the net neutrality bill that _wasn't_ actually net neutrality

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xris:

ok, time to go home. later.

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syamajala:

ok i think i should be good

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syamajala:

guess the only way to be sure is to reboot

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syamajala:

yeah everything looks ok

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jams:

need a fedora and debian user help: on your system where is "cat" and "more" located ?

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jams:

which cat , which more

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Dagmar:

They'll generally be in /usr/bin... Why do you ask?

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th1_:

jams, they are in /bin on debian

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jams:

because not all distros locate them in /usr/bin

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jams:

thanks th1_

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Dagmar:

It depends on how they're compiled

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jams:

pretty sure redhat/fedora is /usr/bin

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Dagmar:

If they were compiled statically, they'll be in /bin

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kormoc:

jams: /bin for fedora

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jams:

o /bin

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jams:

cool

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Dagmar:

Why does it even matter tho?

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kormoc:

or rather, Centos

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kormoc:

my mistake, I thought that box was fedora

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th1_:

the idea is that essential binaries should go in /bin because /usr might be on a separate file system that's mounted later during the boot process

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th1_:

dunno about more but cat is certainly essential to boot

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Dagmar:

THey go there not because they're "essential" but because if they're using shared libs you have a choice:

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Dagmar:

You can make /lib monstrously huge, or you can keep the option of having a remote /usr open

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jams:

just looking for a final reasonable fallback before giving up

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Dagmar:

You should not have to _search_ for them

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Dagmar:

You should rely on $PATH being set to something non-retarded.

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Dagmar:

You don't want /lib to be huge if you're trying to use an initrd

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sphery:

in some cases, they go in /bin because they're used by scripts, etc, that execute before all file systems are mounted--such as the file system containing /usr

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Dagmar:

I suppose this is a lot more obvious if one had dealt with this stuff when shared libs were still relatively new

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jams:

kormoc- same thing apply for gentoo?

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wagnerrp:

he has returned!

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jams:

lol

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Dagmar:

I'm serious. Don't search for them and then attempt to use an absolute path. That will be a waste of time.

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beata:

any guess as to why my sound would stop working after escaping out of a recording? I checked alsamixer and evrything is unmuted

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sphery:

wagnerrp: seems that what was to be proved is now proven

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Dagmar:

PATH functions as both a help to shell users, and a way for the administrator to indicate _which location for binaries should be the preferred one_

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Dagmar:

A system may well have more than one version of those around

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sphery:

and a way for a malicious person to cause a user to execute the wrong app

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Dagmar:

Solaris being a great example, because they've got their own versions of just about anything, but if you want less hassle you generally install GNU tools into a different prefix and then change the PATH

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Dagmar:

sphery: This is why protected directories that users can't tamper with always go _first_ into the PATH

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JEDIDIAH__:

Solaris also has a mixed BSD/SysV heritage and about 4 different versions of their own for core tools.

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sphery:

right... but that doesn't prevent some script or something the user executed previously in the environment from changing the PATH

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Dagmar:

If they can do that they don't really _need_ to give you malicious binaries

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sphery:

JEDIDIAH__: you mean Solaris is quad-core! Nice.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: im of the opinion you shouldnt go out of your way to help a user who is off tinkering with their PATH

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Dagmar:

If you're going to worry about the stuff in path, then you need to just cut to the chase and start checking md5sum/sha1 checksums against a database of the ones used by the distro

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wagnerrp:

jams: you can always just give up and include a static copy of busybox

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Dagmar:

jams: Are you aiming for a GNU/Linux environment?

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Dagmar:

If that's the case you want to call `less` instead of `more` anyway

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm just thinking that checking to ensure that the binary you execute is in one of the generally-safe paths is not a bad idea

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sphery:

after all, we do exactly that for a lot of things in Myth

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Dagmar:

Calling `more` may well entail the binary behaving like older non-GNU more, which doesn't generally let you do :-based regexp searches, for one thing

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Dagmar:

sphery: Not for things that are generally supposed to be on the system in the first place

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jams:

wagnerrp- yeah could use "echo" to implement all the core commands.

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Dagmar:

Particularly since a bunch of them may well be shell built-ins

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sphery:

Dagmar: so you're saying just assume PATH is good and execute gzip--wherever it happens to execute

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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Dagmar:

If something tampered with PATH, you've already lost

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jams:

Dagmar- it's not linux only, Having a path is not a sure thing. And on some systems more is less and less is more

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Dagmar:

jams: Dude you're talking to someone who writes code that he expects to work on _any_ Unix because I've frequently _had_ to run it on a bunch of different ones

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syamajala:

guess my udev rules didn't work after all

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syamajala:

they changed again

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Dagmar:

Having a PATH *is* a sure thing

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sphery:

so that when a user is running mythbackend as root and someone hacks their system to change PATH (perhaps only in the mythbackend start script) to refer to a different dir first, then root executes gzip to compress a backup and it Does Bad Things, that's not something anyone should be concerned about because a) gzip should exist on systems and b) PATH will alway be right?

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Dagmar:

Without it, you're working on basically, a broken systsem

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wagnerrp:

syamajala: generally you write a rule to symlink to some new node, one the system wouldnt normally use

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wagnerrp:

like /dev/my_crappy_framegrabber

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Dagmar:

sphery: 1. The "hacker" is an idiot

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Dagmar:

I dont' think we need a 2.

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sphery:

I fully admit that refusing to run gzip if it's not in /bin or /usr/bin is /not/ security, but...

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Dagmar:

If they managed to remotely change the PATH they could just as easily go ahead and replace whatever binary on the system they want

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sphery:

yes, because the /etc/{,rc.d/}init.d/mythbackend script /always/ uses the exact same filesystem permissions as every other file on the filesystem

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Dagmar:

There's no reason why someone who exploited mythbackend to change it's init script wouldn't be able to change any other binary on the sytsem they wanted

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sphery:

they don't have to change it

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Dagmar:

It's a lot more likely they'd just slap a new uid 0 account into the password file

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sphery:

just drop a script in $HOME/.my-bad-bin/gzip that does bad things

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Dagmar:

Init scripts don't live in areas that can be modified by uids other than root for this reason

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sphery:

Please tell all the users who have borked filesystems that are in here asking for help exactly that

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Dagmar:

To be perfectly honest, they can't afford my rates

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sphery:

What the distro gives users is /not/ necessarily what the user is using

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Dagmar:

You know I've held a CISSP right?

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sphery:

OK... I won't argue.

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Dagmar:

User accounts need to trust things that come out of root-only-modifiable space

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Dagmar:

Otherwise they might as well just bring in their own copies of every binary

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Dagmar:

...because they can't trust anything at that point, and if you can't trust anything then you probably shouldn't be running anything on that system in the first place.

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syamajala:

hmm

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syamajala:

my rules aren't working

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syamajala:

i changed it to symlink

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syamajala:

but when i restart udevd /dev isn't being updated

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sphery:

cold plugging doesn't happen on every udevd restart...

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syamajala:

oh

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syamajala:

now its working

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syamajala:

hmm

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syamajala:

i think i might need rules for vbi, and audio too though

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Josh____:

Hmm, I think I found my problem. although I'm not sure of the solution.

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wagnerrp:

VBI? you probably arent using it.... audio? only for framegrabbers

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Josh____:

If I save a stream from my HDhomerun to my backend (using hdhomerun_config). I can watch the output of the command to get realtime network data loss.

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syamajala:

actually your right

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Josh____:

If I'm saving a stream to the backend, and at the same time, send a stream (using mythtv) to any one of my remote frontends, I immediately get packet loss on the hdhomerun_config stream.

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Josh____:

it's almost as if my NIC on the backend can't keep up with simultaneously sending & recieving a video stream.

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paras:

how can i see what items are in the current playlisst ?

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Josh____:

I've got three PCI network cards, but I can't seem to find one that fixes the problem. They're all connecting at a link speed of 100 Mbit. Shouldnt 100Mbit be sufficiant to handle two TS streams simultaneously?

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tank-man:

creating a huge playlist?

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paras:

not much, but i'd like to see the order they will be played

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Josh____:

"A full channel mux runs about 25Mbit/s, depending on the country, so 4 HDHomeRun tuners running at full load would saturate a 100Mbit network."

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mynameisdeleted:

hi

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mynameisdeleted:

is ther a setting I need to record to other than the root drive

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mynameisdeleted:

or a network drive

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mynameisdeleted:

by default if I set to a mounted dir in anythign other than default file system it failes to record

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Josh____:

I've only got one HDHomerun. Is there any chance the mythtv libhdhomerun is not specifying a single channel mux and rather sending the entire transport stream?

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mynameisdeleted:

is this wrong owner of dir maybe?

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Josh____:

mynameisdeleted, file/directory permissions will have a definate impact on myth being able to use it for storage. Make sure the ownership for the directory is read/write for the user the mythbackend daemon is running as.

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elmojo:

Any ION users out there who can tell me if newer drivers since the 185 series has improved VDPAU performance?

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Josh____:

mynameisdeleted, the files need to be read/write. The directory itself (and all subdirectories) need execute permissions as well.

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mynameisdeleted:

yeah.. and needed to be owned by mythtv:mythtv as well I guess

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mynameisdeleted:

before it could write since it never gave coulnt create file error like if I denied write

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mynameisdeleted:

but with mythtv:mythtv as owner it actually records there as well

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Josh____:

What ever the user and group that the mythbackend daemon runs as.

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mynameisdeleted:

network has multi-terabyte drives that are better for recording

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mynameisdeleted:

how much space do I need for temporary files for watching?

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mynameisdeleted:

10GB good for that?

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mynameisdeleted:

its 100% dvb

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wagnerrp:

mynameisdeleted: storage groups allow you to define multiple directories to store to, and mythtv will do load balancing between them

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mynameisdeleted:

scheduled recordigns are the only files I feel like keeping after watching

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Josh____:

The average mpeg2 one-hour recording is about 2GB

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wagnerrp:

mynameisdeleted: the LiveTV storagegroup is entirely optional, and if nothing is set in it, it will default to the Default storage group

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wagnerrp:

you can define additional storage groups beyond those two, and use them with custom recording schedules

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wagnerrp:

2–3GB/hr is good for 'standard definition content'

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mynameisdeleted:

if I use a 500GB partition and a 2TB drive will it balance 4/5 of movies go to the 2TB drive?

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wagnerrp:

high definition DVB broadcasts can hit over 10GB/hr

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wagnerrp:

im not sure exactly what the algorithm would do in that scenario

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mynameisdeleted:

but if one filled up it would use the other?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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mynameisdeleted:

but it might cause a problem with the last recordign for the smal drive?

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wagnerrp:

generally you set an amount of free space to be required on each drive

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv will not start recording to that drive once you hit that

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mynameisdeleted:

ok so 50GB must be free

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Dagmar:

That's your buffer space for when two recordings might be going to the same filestore simultaneously

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mynameisdeleted:

or 20GB or whatever

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Dagmar:

50gb is probably a bit much

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wagnerrp:

see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21221

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wagnerrp:

default is 10GB

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Dagmar:

Maybe it would be what you'd want if you were planning on recording the Herringbone Fashion Show Marathon on QVC Ultra-HD

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wagnerrp:

looks like it works off free space on the disk

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wagnerrp:

so it would prefer the 2TB drive until it got to the same level of free space as the 500GB drive

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wagnerrp:

however it would schedule recordings on the 500GB drive if you were already recording multiple shows on the 2TB drive

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[R]:

i have 3 mount points for my defaul storage group

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[R]:

it puts stuff in all 3

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Dagmar:

I'm just relying on that jfs won't let me adjust the slack space for root, so whether I like it or not I'm going to be leaving 5% of that disk more or less unaccounted for

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[R]:

but i have like 500gb free on the first one

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[R]:

and i only have 2 tuners

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wagnerrp:

[R]: any digital tuners? multirec?

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mynameisdeleted:

all drives have been benchmarked at bout 130MB/s io rate or maybe about 80 over gigabit ethernet

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mynameisdeleted:

remote

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[R]:

yes, but i've never recorded on multirec

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[R]:

the overlap sucks

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mynameisdeleted:

if I enable fast tuning then I can watch multiple channels at same frequency?

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mynameisdeleted:

with 1 tuner?

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wagnerrp:

mynameisdeleted: youre not worried about total throughput... but rather throughput when you are pushing multiple streams to disk simultaneously

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wagnerrp:

that has nothing to do with 'fast tuning'

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mynameisdeleted:

yeah... I can do 2 streams at 80 easilly

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syamajala:

so i think everything works for right now

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wagnerrp:

multirec allows you to record multiple streams from one transponder (frequency)

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wagnerrp:

you cannot do two streams to a single disk at 80MB/s, if you can only achieve 130MB/s

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mynameisdeleted:

total between both

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wagnerrp:

linear performance goes down, not up

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mynameisdeleted:

40 each

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wagnerrp:

ok, ill agree with that

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wagnerrp:

however that 130MB/s is only the outer edge of the disk, the inner edge of those disks are closer to 70MB/s

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wagnerrp:

either way, speed isnt your concern

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mynameisdeleted:

its enough

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mynameisdeleted:

space is more concern

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wagnerrp:

the issue is multiple recordings on a single disk will just cause excessive wear

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mynameisdeleted:

1 stream uses maybe 1/2 MB/s average

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wagnerrp:

since youre frequently seeking all over the place

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mynameisdeleted:

that too

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wagnerrp:

1 SD stream only uses ~4mbps

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wagnerrp:

1 HD stream may use up to 25mbps

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wagnerrp:

possibly higher

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mynameisdeleted:

25mbps = about 3MB/s

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wagnerrp:

correct, still doesnt matter for performance, rather for storage space estimates

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Dibblah:

Not this again. Seeks have no impact on longevity.

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mynameisdeleted:

depends how well drive is made too

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mynameisdeleted:

and if it fails after 10 years due to mechanical arm or due to over bearing use

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mynameisdeleted:

on spinning

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sphery:

yay, all of tonights recordings worked

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wagnerrp:

Dibblah: ok, this is just anecdotal evidence of me running drives full

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Dibblah:

Bearing quality / environment / shouting sysadmins _all_ have far, far more effect.

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sphery:

cold boot fixed my old HD-3000

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wagnerrp:

any disk ive had full (and heavily fragmented) for any length of time has died a premature death

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iamlindoro:

sphery, can't miss BoT after all

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sphery:

no joke

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iamlindoro:

apparently twice a night is a death knell

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mynameisdeleted:

its rated for so many seeks over a lifetime

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mynameisdeleted:

and so many spins

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sphery:

yeah... clear em out, then move on to something else :)

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mynameisdeleted:

the one it reaches first determiens life

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wagnerrp:

BoT is recording at 10PM?

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wagnerrp:

why so late?

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, its ending at 10PM

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mynameisdeleted:

if you do lots of seeks for 1 hour a week

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mynameisdeleted:

but its on 24/7

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mynameisdeleted:

the bearings will wear out first

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mynameisdeleted:

I have no idea how many seeks a drive can take

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mynameisdeleted:

or how much seek time it can take

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mynameisdeleted:

I assume that if a drive with 10 year mean time before failure is seekign 24/7

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mynameisdeleted:

it dies after about 2 years or so

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wagnerrp:

make that a couple months

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wagnerrp:

of course being Maxtors could have lended something to that

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mynameisdeleted:

drives are designed for virus scannign every night and defrag etc

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mynameisdeleted:

and content indexing in vista

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mynameisdeleted:

and 7

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mynameisdeleted:

most reputable new drives designed for standard windows expect lots of seeks

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wagnerrp:

this was before XP

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mynameisdeleted:

though not all may be designed properly for that

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mynameisdeleted:

1.5 TB = new drive

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Dagmar:

I think the Giant NetApp Report from a year or two ago pretty much showed that only _time_ kills drives

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mynameisdeleted:

esp if sata and reads at 130MB/s

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Dagmar:

Use and temperature (reasonable limits) didn't affect whether or not hundreds of _thousands_ of disks died early or not

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wagnerrp:

was that the thing google put out?

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mynameisdeleted:

it still depends how its made and hwo well each part is made

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Dagmar:

So consider someone talking about whether or not a certain drive was designed to handle large numbers of seeks to ba a snake-oil salesman and call it a day.

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Google and a couple of people from other ocmpanies, yea

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mynameisdeleted:

I never had a drive die

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mynameisdeleted:

and my oldest is froma computer buitl in 2001

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Dibblah:

Not only time.

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Dibblah:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/05/shouty_sun_engineer/

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mynameisdeleted:

I think its over its mean time before failure so just wait for it to die

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Dagmar:

hahhaa

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Dibblah:

(Loud)

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mynameisdeleted:

its been on 24/7

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Dagmar:

I like the URL already

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wagnerrp:

ive had a good number die, and a good number more i dont use because i no longer trust them

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Dagmar:

That's cute but I think I already know what causes the disks to react

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Dibblah:

Duuuh.

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Dibblah:

They don't like shouty sysadmins.

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Dagmar:

Well, they're throttling their speed back to reduce the amount of noise they think they've put out

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Dagmar:

The vibration he's talking aobut could be it, but there's a smart setting you can flip to turn off the noise-reduction feature

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mynameisdeleted:

early drives have been killed by spinnign excessively fast

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Dagmar:

That URL will go _far_ tho just because of the very idea of a "shouty admin" lol

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wagnerrp:

i imagine a thumper is a fair bit louder than he can shout all on its own

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mynameisdeleted:

excessive writes to a single sector have caused bad blocks too I think

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Dagmar:

So have camels but who cares about things that happened during the Gulf War

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Dagmar:

All that equipmnent has been replaced by now

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wagnerrp:

hold on... youre not a dvb user

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wagnerrp:

dvb is europe, youre a atsc/qam user

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mynameisdeleted:

yup

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wagnerrp:

you said '100% dvb'

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mynameisdeleted:

linux still calls it a dvb device

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mynameisdeleted:

100% digital video broadcast

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mynameisdeleted:

in qam format

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mynameisdeleted:

qam256 modulation

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mynameisdeleted:

but still digital and broadcast and video

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wagnerrp:

but not 'dvb'

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wagnerrp:

anyway, that just drops your peak down to around 18mbps

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wagnerrp:

i wonder how well verizon is about recompression

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mynameisdeleted:

how do you know I dont have dvb-s through satelite?

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[R]:

its possible to be "good" with r ecompression?

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wagnerrp:

because then you would be foolish

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wagnerrp:

theres nothing good for free on US satellite

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mynameisdeleted:

also some cable operators use dvb-c or opencable

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wagnerrp:

just a bunch of shopping and religious channels

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mynameisdeleted:

innorth america

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mynameisdeleted:

256-QAM is a modulation scheme for dvb-c

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mynameisdeleted:

and is used over cox and fios

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wagnerrp:

it may be qam256, but its not 'dvb-c'

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mynameisdeleted:

in my area

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wagnerrp:

anyway, verizon has the *entire* 5.5Gbps spectrum for digital cable, i wonder if they bother recompressing like other cablecos

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mynameisdeleted:

FiOS's IPTV implementation does not follow cable television formats and conventions for two way television and instead follows the DVB standard

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mynameisdeleted:

found on their website

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mynameisdeleted:

it says on the service providers page it is dvb

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mynameisdeleted:

I dont think fios recompresssssses anything

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mynameisdeleted:

oops... that was verizon_fios on en.wikipedia.org

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mynameisdeleted:

not veriziong sayign it was dvb unlike most north american cable

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mynameisdeleted:

has a decent reference for it though

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: congrats on the dev promotion :)

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skd5aner:

noticed on commits

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wagnerrp:

thanks

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skd5aner:

saw 23117 – will you put that in trunk too?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

see #7264

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skd5aner:

k – thx

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wagnerrp:

23117 was some cleanup for the old bindings, which i intend to replace

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skd5aner:

gotcha – look forward to it

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wagnerrp:

are you using the bindings currently?

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jams:

wagnerrp- i don't suppose the pybindings can tell me what plugins are installed?

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Dagmar:

Wow

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Dagmar:

So I'm wading through all the gory details of these 42" screens (the place the TV will go is only that big) and I see the Vizio

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iamlindoro:

jams, I have some code somewhere to determine that programatically

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Dagmar:

It says "1080p" in the description

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Dagmar:

I'd like to know how they're doing that with a native res of 1366x768

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[R]:

Dagmar: magic

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jams:

iamlindoro- care to share

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iamlindoro:

jams, digging up

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[R]:

Dagmar: it'll support 1080p... it'll just downscale it

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jams:

is it c++ ?

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Dagmar:

I think I'm gettin' the Sanyo and saying to hell with it

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Dagmar:

[R]: Actually their description is just screwed

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[R]:

lol

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Dagmar:

Someone apparently copypasta'd from the 32" 720 model

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[R]:

haha

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Dagmar:

http://www.walmart.com/Vizio-42-Class-Eco-1080p/ip/10993796

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Dagmar:

It's a good thing I did some thinking

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[R]:

it says it has 2 differnet resolutions

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iamlindoro:

jams: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1749179

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[R]:

The bright Eco LCD boasts a high-definition 1366 x 768 native

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[R]:

The Vizio 42" Eco LCD HDTV features a 1920 x 1080 native resolution

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Dagmar:

Yes, unless they've been using energon cubes in their manufacturing, one of those thigns is wrong

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Tanthrix:

Just got my GT 220 installed, and vdpau is working perfectly. Now to upgrade my year old version of Myth.

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jams:

iamlindoro- cool that might be useful later, right now i'm working with python

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jams:

guess I will just look at the FS

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iamlindoro:

jams, ah, ok

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Tanthrix:

Is there anything particularely cool in SVN that would make it worth my while over the latest stable? (I'll be using an HD PVR eventually, if that makes any difference)

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Dagmar:

bug fixes.

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iamlindoro:

Unless you have a specific and compelling reason to use trunk, don't

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iamlindoro:

especially as there are several breaking things going in in the near future

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: 0.22-fixes should be fine. Trunk, no.

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Tanthrix:

I think I've had nothing but SVN for the past 4 years now. It would be strange now to go stable. ;)

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Tanthrix:

Or trunk, I should say, as to not sound so newbie-esque.

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Tanthrix:

I'll do fixes then, thanks.

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Dagmar:

[R]: Not to pick on the stupid but... http://www.walmart.com/Sanyo-DP42849-42-LCD-HDTV/ip/10929990

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Dagmar:

Down at the bottom under Videos, click the "AV Connections" tab.

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: By the way, long time no speak. I remember sitting in here a year ago frothing at the mouth with you about the HD PVR. How are you liking yours nowadays?

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Dagmar:

THe video features a girl who is the daughter of some race driver

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Dagmar:

Clearly, her father being a race driver has done nothing to increase her intelligence.

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Dagmar:

It sounds like she's having to stretch her jaw to say "the big words"

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Dagmar:

I just wanted to see the back panel on the thing

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wagnerrp:

jams: ive only got what frontend information the frontend control socket gives me

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wagnerrp:

available plugins is not included in that

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Dagmar:

You might as well just peek at the Myth source and look at how it's scanning for them

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Dagmar:

It's not like it does a lot of careful vetting of what it sees

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Dagmar:

Easy to replicate in just about any language

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Tanthrix:

Hrm, I have a feeling it may be time for a fresh install. I need QT4, which needs glib2, which upgrading will probably need other things and break whole system.

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Dagmar:

You don't have glib2?

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Dagmar:

What the hell are you running?

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Dagmar:

CentOS?

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[R]:

even centos has glib2

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Tanthrix:

Arch Linux from 2 years ago. It's been working perfectly for that entirety, and haven't touched anything expect for minor updates here and there.

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Dagmar:

You must have just left glib2 out, right?

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Dagmar:

It's _way_ older than two years

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Dagmar:

Understand the reason for my shock... I run _Slackware_

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Dagmar:

Generally _we're_ the low-water mark

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Tanthrix:

Wait, I take it back.

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** Tanthrix sheepishly runs off, having assumed that when he queried glib and got glib 1.2.xx he didn't have glib2. **

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Dagmar:

heheheh

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Dagmar:

Oh by the way

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Dagmar:

If you intend to compile Qt4, expect that it will take _ages_

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Tanthrix:

I'm going to try getting the package first, but it may not be worth the effort of dealing with dependancies.

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Dagmar:

You will absolutely want to pass it -nomake demos -nomake examples as well just to try to keep it from taking so long that you need to interrupt the build to install your new 128-bit CPU

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mag0o:

lol

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Dagmar:

The few deps Qt4 has that would matter to you shouldn't be an issue

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Tanthrix:

I'm hoping that's the case, but thanks for the heads up. I've always hated waiting, having not the faintest clue how long it had to go.

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Dagmar:

"A long time" is generally the answer with Qt

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Dagmar:

You can pity me because I built it six times this weekend, fine-tuning the build harness

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Tanthrix:

Sounds like fun.

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Dagmar:

I did this from work ssh'd into my house

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Dagmar:

Friday, Saturday, and Sunday

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Dagmar:

12 hour shifts.

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Dagmar:

It takes a _while_

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[R]:

i pitty the fool who builds his own QT

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[R]:

haha

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Tanthrix:

I'm so out of date, my package manager is no longer functional. Sweet.

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Tanthrix:

(And I mean no longer capable of functioning in this world in which we live, not simply out of data with regards to mirrorlists.)

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Tanthrix:

Well, it's official – I'm screwed. And officially done, forever, with the travesty that is Arch Linux.

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Tanthrix:

How anyone could ever think that the idea of a rolling release is a good one is beyond me. Who wants to continusly be updating every single package on their system on a weekly basis, lest you fall behind and get to a point where you are stuck forever?

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tank-man:

Free Conan!

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Shadow__X:

how can i reset the metadata for shows under the the video section

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wagnerrp:

you mean stuff in MythVideo?

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wagnerrp:

under the 'i' menu, there is a 'reset metadata' option

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Shadow__X:

the issue i am having is that jamu runs and downloads the correct metadata but it isnt displayed corrrectly in mythvideo untill i reset the metadata for each video

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yes but for me to see the banners i have to reset the metadata for each video that way

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wagnerrp:

resetting the metadata will wipe it, there will be no metadata to see

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wagnerrp:

if jamu is not properly getting the banners, however mythvideo's internal scanner is, thats a bug

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: as far as i can tell jamu is working right i look at my metadata folder and there are images there

[04:50:10]

Shadow__X:

what seems to be the issue is how mythvideo updates the images it finds?

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Shadow__X:

i am not quite sure whats happening

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bobc:

is anyone able to get trunk to compile on ubuntu hardy? .22-fixes compiled fine but I'm getting an alsa error with trunk – I can't upgrade this machine to a newer version of ubuntu unfortunately.

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: run ./jamu -v and tell use which version you are running. Also are you running Mythbuntu?

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Shadow__X:

RDV_Linux: 0.6.0 and yes

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: Are you running with storage groups?

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: That version should of jamu should not be the issue I had been thinking you had,

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Shadow__X:

RDV_Linux: i do have multiple directories setup but i dont think i am using sorage groups sorry for not being able to answer that question directly

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: Use mythtvsetup to check if you have any storage groups.

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Shadow__X:

RDV_Linux: well there are things listest under the storage group option

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iamlindoro:

I have a feeling it's a lot more likely that it's just a themecache issue

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iamlindoro:

that there was some fouled up metadata that the theme caching code tried to cache

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Shadow__X:

the ones there are as follows default coverart fanart screenshots and banners

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: to fix that do i switch themes then switch back?

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iamlindoro:

depends on how many you are set to cache

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: you can also run ./jamu -MVf to check which directories jamu is using. Also iamlindoro may have the correct answer.

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: cache size is 2

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iamlindoro:

then switching and going back wouldn't work

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Shadow__X:

should i change theme cache to 1?

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iamlindoro:

no, just delete your themecache dirs

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iamlindoro:

~/.mythtv/themecache/*

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daktak:

In liveTV i can manually select and record all channels, but only a subset of them show up when I press up/down, am I missing a setting in the channel table or something?

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coffee412:

hello. does gnome have the capability to start an application on startup or should I switch to kde?

[05:01:45]

wagnerrp:

by default, mythtv will only change channels on the current source

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daktak:

coffee412: i beleive in the session options

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wagnerrp:

you either need to swtich to a tuner on a different source, or change the option that lets you change channels across all sources

[05:02:18]

Shadow__X:

RDV_Linux: jamu is using the right directories for metadata

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wagnerrp:

coffee412: do you need to run gnome/kde?

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daktak:

wagnerrp: so the ones not showing up mustn't be associated to the source?

[05:02:30]

daktak:

wagnerrp: where/what table is that set in?

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coffee412:

wagnerrp: not really. Just used to it.

[05:02:54]

coffee412:

wagnerrp: any suggestions?

[05:03:01]

wagnerrp:

coffee412: i mean is this a dedicated mythfrontend? or a general purpose desktop?

[05:03:16]

coffee412:

wagnerrp: FE/BE

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: With the version you are using and the directories set correctly then the solution iamlindoro suggested is likely the answer.

[05:03:34]

wagnerrp:

daktak: you really shouldnt be tinkering around in the database, and i dont know what setting the 'browse across sources' is anyway

[05:03:35]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: i did that but i am still having the same behavior

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wagnerrp:

coffee412: i mean mythfrontend is the only graphical application you will be running

[05:04:05]

iamlindoro:

need to see a videometadata record for an item that isn't loading properly, then

[05:04:07]

coffee412:

wagnerrp: yes, frontend

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daktak:

wagnerrp: i really only have one source, so these channels musn't be associated to any then...

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wagnerrp:

channels must be attached to a source, otherwise they wouldnt exist

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iamlindoro:

select * from videometadata where title = "some item which isn't loading";

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: what i did was exit the frontend remove the cache then open it again

[05:05:13]

wagnerrp:

coffee412: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Auto_Login

[05:05:47]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: the weird thing is the movies or shows that have the problem do not show up with a question mark image they just appear blank but if i choose to delete the metadata and select to download it again it instantly appears so it seems to work that way

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coffee412:

wagnerrp: THANKS! Ill bookmark. Gonna go read my brains out.

[05:05:57]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X, less narrative, more direction following

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: do what iamlindoro suggested about getting info from the data base so that we can check if jamu updated the metadata correctly.

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daktak:

wagnerrp: all my entries in channel seem to have the same source id, so i dont know why some show up and not others

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: ok i ran that how can i dump that in a file so i can paste bin it

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iamlindoro:

cut and paste

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iamlindoro:

to a pastebin

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wagnerrp:

the other possibility is that you have the channels set up as not visible

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wagnerrp:

open up the channel manager in mythtv-setup or mythweb to check

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daktak:

yep all source id 1

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: You will need to tell use an entry that jamu updated but you see no images and one that is ok

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: thanks http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1749260

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iamlindoro:

The above appears to be trying to use storage groups for the images

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RDV_Linux:

Storage groups and ISO files?

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: is that the probem i am having i just set it up incorrectly?

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iamlindoro:

the video itself isn't SG hosted

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iamlindoro:

but the images got inserted as though it was

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Shadow__X:

RDV_Linux: i am aware of that issue thats why my videos arent on storage groups

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iamlindoro:

indicates either a jamu misconfiguration or bug

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: i could of set up the configuration w rong

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: Please pastebin the results of a ./jamu -MVf

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Shadow__X:

how can i make sure its ok it seems to have been setup correctly

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iamlindoro:

It'

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iamlindoro:

Just go with RDV_Linux, he knows his software better than I

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: alright thanks

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Shadow__X:

RDV_Linux: hope this helps http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1749265

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: looking now

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iamlindoro:

SG-YES = bad for you :)

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: heh and i thought i was good in listtening to you on not using it fully

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iamlindoro:

There is no point in having image SGs without a video SG, you should dump them

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iamlindoro:

after which Jamu is likely to behave itself

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: ok so delete it in myth-setup and then put them where?

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: Basically you set up no place for Jamu to put the images.

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Shadow__X:

RDV_Linux: ah hmm but when why when i check the used directories all the proper images are present

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X, It doesn't matter, you ahven't set those directories up as *local* image folders

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: You can use those same directories but not as storage groups but as FE settings,

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iamlindoro:

if you want to use local videos, you need to set up local image folders

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iamlindoro:

it's not just going to fix itself by doing that, though, since you have befouled your metadata

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: you ever get back to try the new version?

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: Once you made the change run the same jamu command and make sure that all directories are "SG-NO"

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iamlindoro:

Jamu *might* be kind enough to do something about it, but more likely you will need to reset all your metadata and run Jamu with everything properly configured

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Shadow__X:

and here i thought it would be easier in the log run to set it up that way so i wouldnt have to pull multiple copies of images for each fe

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: If you make the changes to use only FE settings and then rerun Jamu -M it will detect bad image directories and try to update the metadata likely finding the correct images.

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iamlindoro:

and get rid of the image SGs

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iamlindoro:

without a video SG they are useless and will only serve to throw Jamu off

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: You must get rid of those image SG entries.

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Shadow__X:

ah alright i gotcha now

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Shadow__X:

its an all or nothing situation with SG as it seems

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Shadow__X:

or atleast for my setup

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Shadow__X:

or attempt of setup rather

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Shadow__X:

RDV_Linux: i reran ./jamu -MVf and now it seems to be a ok everything is SG = NO

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Shadow__X:

awesome images are starting to appear

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Shadow__X:

you guys are fantastic

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: Then try running jamu with the -MV option and hopefully things will get straightened out

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Shadow__X:

RDV_Linux: yeah images are starting to appear correctly on their own as it should

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Shadow__X:

RDV_Linux: thanks alot that really made my night. Before i was having to hit reset metadata for each movie for it to work

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: np it will be nice when storage groups are the only choice but that is some time away.

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Shadow__X:

RDV_Linux: yeah atleast i learned why it wasnt working correctly

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Shadow__X:

RDV_Linux: so it seems my movies are working correctly but my tv shows arent is there a specific reason for that or is it my doing again

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: I do not know. Does Mythvideo 'w' fix those shows?

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: Jamu is under the mercy of the quality of your file names for parsing out TV series and season/episode numbers.

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: could you use a function that walks down the storage group tree?

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wagnerrp:

thinking of moving it over from mythfs into the bindings

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: The Jamu version in trunk has been changed to use folder names to get series and season/episode number to match MythVideo. I do not know if your routines would be needed now.

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Shadow__X:

RDV_Linux: what do you mean by mythvideo w and my tv shows are as follows Fring/Season-2/Fringe_-_2x11

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RDV_Linux:

Shadow__X: the jamu version in 0.22+fixes cannot parse names like that. So it explains why they are an issue.

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wagnerrp:

well this would be for doing an external file scan across myth protocol

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wagnerrp:

right now, im just using it to get file sizes for mythvideo content

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Shadow__X:

RDV_Linux: oh ok thanks again

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: If I cannot use it I suspect someone could. It sounds valuable. If jamu had some value past 0.24 it should be changed to run on one machine but update metadata across multiple BEs and that is where it may be useful.

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: It is likely jamu will be redundant by 0.24

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wagnerrp:

once the recorded/videometadata refactor takes place?

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: once batch metadata updates are done by MythVideo in the background and the re-factoring you mentioned.

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banyan:

Hey, where does a guy set up 0.22 to automatically run mythfilldatabase? My system seems not to be running it automatically.

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wagnerrp:

banyan: thats something you never need to touch

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wagnerrp:

simply set up schedules direct as your listings provider

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv will take care of everything

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banyan:

I wouldn't have thought so but my system ran off the end of its listings yesterday and I had to run mythfilldatabase manually.

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iamlindoro:

banyan, you need to turn on the option to have the backend automatically run mythfilldatabase, which is in the general settings in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

isnt that on by default?

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banyan:

It probably had something to do with a couple of crashed tables though. maybe...

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iamlindoro:

nope, off by default

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wagnerrp:

(i admit, its been like 4 years since i looked at that stuff)

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banyan:

iamlindoro: I looked for that exact thing, but I couldn't find it anymore.

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iamlindoro:

banyan, it's there

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iamlindoro:

It used to be in the frontend, now it's in mythtv-setup

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banyan:

would you happen to remember which menu it's in?

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iamlindoro:

as above, general

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iamlindoro:

bah, looks like we moved it post-.22

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iamlindoro:

General settigs in the frontend

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iamlindoro:

globalsettings.cpp: bc->setLabel(QObject::tr("Automatically run mythfilldatabase"));

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banyan:

I still don't see that setting in the frontend. what page is it on? I'm starting to wonder if I need to run a different theme to see it.

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iamlindoro:

no. Themes don't control settings

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iamlindoro:

And there's only *one* set of overall general settings

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gothic_apoca:

present someone speaks Spanish?

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gothic_apoca:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/installation- . . . -mythtv.html

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banyan:

Is it MythFillEnabled = 1 in the settings table?

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banyan:

I'm not in front of the frontend machine so I can't run mythfrontend from where I am but I can run mysql, and I see a row in settings where Value of MythFillEnabled has data = '1' for host = 'NULL'

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banyan:

Is it unusual to see two separate instances of mythfilldatabase running at once?

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newbie005:

hi, I've always had this same problem, I can't read the text on the menus. The font is so large, the textboxes are too small

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newbie005:

I've decreased the font size, doesn't help,, any suggestions

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tank-man:

where did you make this change?

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newbie005:

under appearance

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newbie005:

it does work I guess, the problem seems to be only some of the screens,, I guess it is the theme

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Tanthrix:

newbie005: Make sure your screen DPI is set properly. If it's not, myth can do all sorts of weird stuff font size wise.

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newbie005:

Tanthrix: that might be it

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newbie005:

The font size under settings changes correctly

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newbie005:

The screen I cannot read is the schedule screen, below "Do not record this program" it says "Schedule..." or "Math duplicates using subtitle..." so I cannot see other ways to find duplicates

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newbie005:

Where do I find the DPI setting ?

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Tanthrix:

That's all done in the xorg.conf

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newbie005:

Ah, I'm using fedora I don't want to mess with the nvidia drivers there is some problem with the neauvoux drivers

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newbie005:

It's almost as if the theme is too large, changing it sorta helps

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Tanthrix:

The nvidia drivers are beautiful, and easy to install.

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newbie005:

I've had bad luck, I'm waiting for 2.6.33 before I try it again

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aputerboy:

Can someone help me understand the fixes vs. trunk numbering? According to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser it would seem that both fixes and trunk are at rev 23116 – Is that a coincidence or does that mean that trunk and fixes are now synchronized

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aputerboy:

Also is there any easy way (without downloading) to see the history of rev releases and the corresponding schema versions

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aputerboy:

I am asking that because I am trying to keep my Linux atrpms versions working in sync with the precompiled windows versions I snagged

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wagnerrp:

aputerboy: those both exist in subversion

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wagnerrp:

in subversion, there is a single unified revision for all code within the repository

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wagnerrp:

regardless of what branch/folder its located in, or when the last time it was updated

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newbie005:

I have themes in /usr/share/mythtv/themes that are not listed through the frontend

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newbie005:

is there a way to fix this?

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wagnerrp:

newbie005: did you upgrade from 0.21?

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aputerboy:

does the same revision then mean that fixes = trunk? (or am I completely misunderstanding)

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newbie005:

wagnerrp: I'm not sure what version I have, how can I tell?

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend --version

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newbie005:

I have version .22

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wagnerrp:

trunk is /trunk/, fixes is /branches/0-22-fixes/

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wagnerrp:

actually, /branches/release-0-22-fixes/

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wagnerrp:

its two completely independent folders, in the same repository

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aputerboy:

ohhh – so they are then both different spins of a "unified" 23116 master code

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wagnerrp:

correct, the revision number is just a global revision for the entire repository

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aputerboy:

Are the schemas consistent for a single revision?

[07:14:40]

aputerboy:

or for the same rev, do trunk and fixes have different schemas?

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wagnerrp:

schemas are consistent within a single revision number and branch

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aputerboy:

ok – but not across branches

[07:15:03]

wagnerrp:

there is no guarantee of any form of consistency across branches or across revision numbers

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aputerboy:

gotcha

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wagnerrp:

and i will tell you right now, if you try to run a -fixes frontend with a trunk backend, it will refuse to start

[07:16:47]

aputerboy:

has there been any thought or discussion about how best to coordinate schemas and revisions across Linux and Windows . When just running Windows, you could stick to one distro. But now with Windows there seems to be no coordination between Linux versions and the guy who is compiling Windows.

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aputerboy:

typo above – when just running linux

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wagnerrp:

the guy compiling stuff for windows is independent

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wagnerrp:

the distros compiling stuff for linux are independent

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aputerboy:

i know – that seems to be the problem for those of us too lazy to compile ourselves

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wagnerrp:

mythtv offers no binaries

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aputerboy:

i know that and understand why you don't

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aputerboy:

but still the use case exists and will become more common

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wagnerrp:

meaning any coordination will have to be done between those separate groups

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aputerboy:

i'm talking here as a user — not asking for mythtv the org to do something

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aputerboy:

it's an issue that I imagine will become more common

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wagnerrp:

however all revisions of all OS builds within a single branch should work for all others

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aputerboy:

but the schema changes

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wagnerrp:

a 0.22-fixes backend on slackware will work with a 0.22-fixes windows frontend and a 0.22-fixes mythbuntu sbe/fe, always

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wagnerrp:

the backend proto and schema revs will never change across a -fixes branch

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wagnerrp:

if they ever do for any reason, there will be a mid-cycle release (i.e. 0.20.2)

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aputerboy:

Hmmm.... because the latest fixes version posted by Mark Davidoff claim that my schema is something like 3 versions behind

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aputerboy:

and he labels it fixes — so unless he really has trunk or some other branch, I am confused

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wagnerrp:

one build or the other is not running a post-release version of 0.22-fixes

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wagnerrp:

what are the two revisions its listing?

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aputerboy:

His latest Windows build is labeled MythTvSetup_0.22-fixes_r23109.exe while my Fedora/Atrpms build is 0.22 fixes rev 23069

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wagnerrp:

no... schema revs

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wagnerrp:

the error it gives you when you try to run

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aputerboy:

frontend starts and then throws up an error message saying my schema is 3 vesions behind or something

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wagnerrp:

specifically, what version numbers

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wagnerrp:

i need the numbers so i can tell you what is ahead/behind

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aputerboy:

hmmm – atrpms which runs my backend is ('DBSchemaVer','1244',NULL)

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wagnerrp:

correct, that is -fixes

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wagnerrp:

what is the error

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aputerboy:

just a minute – i uninstalled the windows version

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aputerboy:

i will reinstall and get you the exact info

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wagnerrp:

dont worry about it

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wagnerrp:

-fixes should be running schema version 1244, and protocol version 50

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wagnerrp:

trunk is currently 1250 and 55, respectively

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newbie005:

I was able to change xml and html files in a theme to get many screens to work better for me,, the schedule screen still hasn't changed

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m:

Unsuccessful install of MythTV in Fedora 12 due to package dependency conflicts. Can anyone help with yum.repos.d when adding repositories from atrpms.net and rpmfusion.org?

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wagnerrp:

the people in #fedora will likely be of more help

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aputerboy:

Error message is: The version of MythTv requires an updated database (schema is 5 versions behind)

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aputerboy:

and the log says:

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newbie005:

m: I installed mythtv on fedora 12 today

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aputerboy:

010-01–13 02:37:09.425 Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1244

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aputerboy:

010-01–13 02:37:09.425 MythTV database schema is old. Waiting to see if DB is b

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m:

Hey good to see you here again, wagnerrp from Avery Hill, will go to #fedora

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aputerboy:

ing upgraded.

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newbie005:

I didn't use atrpms, my understanding is that most #fedora users hate it

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aputerboy:

so somehow the windows fixes-r23109 is on schema 49

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m:

newbie005 What repositorie(s) did you use?

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newbie005:

it installed just fine and every easily

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newbie005:

rpmfusion and the standard fedora with non-free enabled

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wagnerrp:

so the '0.22-fixes' windows build is actually trunk

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wagnerrp:

good to know

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aputerboy:

I've been using atrpms for years – never had problems

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m:

You must have used the burned .ISO media, right?

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aputerboy:

that's what i was thinking

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newbie005:

I think the subject easily starts a flame war, (atrpms)

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wagnerrp:

also, this '0.22-trunk' doesnt exist either

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wagnerrp:

its just 'trunk'

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wagnerrp:

it has no release version

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newbie005:

yes got a fresh fedora 12 (about 2 months ago)

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newbie005:

not a copy from a magazine or something

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** mzb pulls out a chainsaw and does some trimming **

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m:

did you do #yum install MythTV?

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newbie005:

m: yeap

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m:

cool man!

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newbie005:

m: I kept a list of every command

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m:

That involved? More than just the one yum install command?

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newbie005:

setup mysql, setup a user, stopped mysqld service, set mysqld to auto on, yum installed mytharchive mythtv mythtv-backend mythtv-base-themes mythtv-docs mythtv-frontend mythtv-setup mythtv-themes ...

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aputerboy:

in general, there isn't a problem with any Fedora repo as long as you stay consistent – problems occur mostly when trying to use multiple repositories that might have subtel incompatibilities in their packages

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aputerboy:

there are some good howtos out there

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newbie005:

might be some issues with the themes (more are showing in /usr/share than appear in gui)

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aputerboy:

I don't think i even needed to do much if anything on mysql – at least as long as I wanted frontend and backend on sae machine

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newbie005:

dealt with my firmware issues, I had a 16kb firmware issue

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mzb:

imo it's better to install mythtv from source

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newbie005:

set mythbackend to auto on; started mysqld, ran db script, set mysqld user's permissions, then ran mythtvsetup

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newbie005:

now I'm dealing with some theme and font size issues

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mzb:

*and* once you get used to it it's dead easy to script an uninstall/update/compile/install script

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bobc:

what version of alsa is required for trunk?

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mzb:

the theory being that your distro does the work of keeping your system stable, but mythtv-devs do a better job of keeping mythtv stable/updated than your distro (or dodgy repo) will

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mzb:

bobc, no idea, some of my systems (running mythtv trunk) are still running lenny

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bobc:

I'm trying to compile trunk on a ubuntu hardy system and I'm getting an error on alsa when I didn't have any problem with .22-fixes

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aputerboy:

wagner — one more question — even when using a windows version of fixes with same schema, I get a non-fatal warning when launching mythfrontend saying that: "Warning" MythTV wants to upgrade your database, for the Video schema from 1011 to 1028" So far I have always declined for fear that it would make my Linux frontend incompatible

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wagnerrp:

your linux frontend should be complaining about the same thing

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aputerboy:

But I'm now realizing that my linux version is higher than the windows version — so maybe I don't have the "video schema" installed on linux — is that posibble?

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wagnerrp:

1011 is very old

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wagnerrp:

s/video schema/MythVideo/

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wagnerrp:

DBSchemaVer is the primary mythtv schema

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aputerboy:

Linux frontend isn't --- could it be that I don't have the video installed on the linux FE — is it a plugin or something?

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wagnerrp:

and then each plugin will optionally have its own schema rev

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aputerboy:

i seem to remember once installing mythvideo or something but I don't believe I have it on my linux system now – though not sure what to look for to confirm

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aputerboy:

ok — so it is the mythvideo plugin

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wagnerrp:

that is correct

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aputerboy:

and then i can upgrade without fear... thanks

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wagnerrp:

no

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aputerboy:

uhoh – why not if I don't have mythvideo installed on linux?

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wagnerrp:

dont update that unless you intend to upgrade your entire system to trunk

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wagnerrp:

because you wont be using the windows frontend anyway

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aputerboy:

i'm back to a fixes versions

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aputerboy:

which is 1244 schema

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wagnerrp:

oh, right.... mythvideo is 103something now

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wagnerrp:

1028 was -fixes

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aputerboy:

i'm definitely in fixes and since i only have mythvideo on windows and even if i installed mythvideo on linux it would be at least as recent – so I'm assuming no danger here

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aputerboy:

correct?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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aputerboy:

tu

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aputerboy:

ty

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wagnerrp:

the warning is just that you can only upgrade, not downgrade

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wagnerrp:

so you NEVER want to upgrade past the version you actually intend to run

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aputerboy:

true – but if i install mythvideo again it would be from atrpms which is more up to date than the windows guy — plus as you pointed out my version is from 0.21 if not before

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aputerboy:

and it's not like i ever really used it to store data there anyway

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wagnerrp:

if its 0.22, it will be the same schema rev

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aputerboy:

thanks for the help — you cleared up a lot of my confusion around the schema/rev/fixes/trunk stuff

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m:

newbie005 AND mzb Thanks for your input, it was helpful.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: don't you realize that when you send a message to the list with a correct answer to a question, you're supposed to say, "This answer applies only to the current version of MythTV and does not apply to the following old versions of MythTV: 0.21-fixes, ..."?

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justinh:

every bit of advice should be supremely & ultimately qualified. I mean, what if somebody sues?

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Dagmar:

Annoying. CPAN doesn't seem to know about Net::UPnP

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I suggest you just throw in a secret bonus with your disclaimers

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justinh:

saw a funny tweet last night. "Mythtv is installed on old laptop and I'm ripping a stack of DVDs from Netflix that I haven't watched yet"

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Dagmar:

Like, if after taking your advice should they find themselves being suddenly incredibly attractive to the opposite sex, they should seek medical attention immediately.

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justinh:

or indeed the same sex.

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Dagmar:

I mean it worked for those penis pill people

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Dagmar:

Oof

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Dagmar:

Found another bug

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Dagmar:

This I Don't get tho...

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Dagmar:

if ($end < 1 || $end > $size) {

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Dagmar:

Somehow, _that_ is causing the following...

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Dagmar:

[Wed Jan 13 03:16:12 2010] [error] [client 10.3.1.2] Argument "" isn't numeric in numeric lt (<) at modules/stream/stream_raw.pl line 86.

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Dagmar:

It looks _valid_ to me, and I know pelr

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Dagmar:

Oh wait nevermind

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Dagmar:

Now I know what's wrong with that

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Dagmar:

Ugly fix: Add $end += 0; before that

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justinh:

hahaha now there's an attention grabbing thread title. "Lirc is making me suicidal"

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justinh:

and the priceless "most people restrict their usage to two or four channels". REALLY? lol

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Dagmar:

fa if I can figure out why MythWeb is causing "Net::UPnP::QueryResponse is not installed!"

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Dagmar:

By the way, that Google announcement today...

[09:55:30]

Dagmar:

BEAUTIFUL

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Dagmar:

"China, we've notice that you're evil. We've told everyone what we know, and from now on, we do Internet in your country *our* way, or we *will* take our toys and leave you."

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justinh:

WTF? Sources for google chrome are over 820MB !

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justinh:

the browser, not the OS

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Dagmar:

THey have a third of the IQ points of the planet involved there

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justinh:

I can only assume they're shipping every dependency with it

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Dagmar:

Well, yeah

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justinh:

but yeah, good of google to take a stand on the china issue

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Dagmar:

Seriously tho

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justinh:

finally

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Dagmar:

China screwed around, stole tech from Google, and Google caught them at it

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Dagmar:

...and Google is _pissed_

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Dagmar:

I can't *wait* to see what China will say about it

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Dagmar:

...because now basically, the mother of all bureaucracies will look like they're responding to a *blog post*

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sphery:

Dagmar: on the Net::UPnP, you have to do: install Net::UPnP::ControlPoint (and might have to--depending on whether things all work right--also do: install Net::UPnP::QueryResponse )

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sphery:

i.e. there's no bundle of all of Net::UPnP

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I noticed. So I went and got the 1.4.2 tarball and installed it

[10:02:33]

Dagmar:

QueryResponse is definitely installed

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Dagmar:

That's what kills me

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sphery:

yeah, with some versions of Net::UPnP::ControlPoint, at least, Net::UPnP::QueryResponse wasn't installed, though it's a prereq for Net::UPnP::ControlPoint

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Dagmar:

I'm going to try the Net::UPnP::ControlPoint bundle tho and see what changes it makes

[10:03:30]

sphery:

that is, through CPAN it wasn't

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sphery:

if you get the tarball, I'm sure it always works

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justinh:

it's funny, this chrome thing. source is bigger than the last whole distro I built on my machine

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Dagmar:

Hmm... Didn't do a thing

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Dagmar:

It's definitely there at /usr/lib/perl6/site_perl/5.8.8/Net/UPnP/QueryResponse.pm

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Dagmar:

I don't think it's MythWeb screwing up tho

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Dagmar:

grep -iR QueryResponse * in it's source directory returns nothing

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justinh:

hmm. gonna have to renice my ffmpeg dvb radio export script. it's hogging too much cpu

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justinh:

oh ffs. it's not an svn export of chrome. they just tarred up a directory. lol

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justinh:

as I unpack it seeing a load of .svn dirs go by

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Dagmar:

//www.mailinglistarchive.com/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/msg63289.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mailinglistarchive.com/mythtv-user . . . sg63289.html

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Dagmar:

Not sure that guy is right

[10:26:03]

Dagmar:

If it's the lack of $HOME being set that's causing the message to come out of MythWeb, then the problem is in the bindings

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Dagmar:

THere isn't going to be a $HOME under any freakin web script

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sphery:

Dagmar: that was for the non-web stuff

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sphery:

what message are you getting with MythWeb?

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sphery:

ah, you're getting, "Net::UPnP::QueryResponse is not installed!"

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sphery:

Dagmar: see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/343456#343456 (that's what I meant by "might have to--depending on whether things all work right--also do: install Net::UPnP::QueryResponse")

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sphery:

Sounds like Beirdo may have some work to do--with freenode's switch from hyperion to ircd-seven (verifying MythLogBot works properly/updating it)

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sid3windr:

ircd-seven sounds very microsofty

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sid3windr:

for an open source network :>

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justinh:

hmmm. trying out midori, a webkit browser. it's nippy but by heck it's useless

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justinh:

open a link in a new tab & it just brings up an about:blank page

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Beirdo:

sphery: I doubt much will change, actually

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Beirdo:

may need to tweak the anti-flood settings, but beyond that, IRC is IRC, really

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Beirdo:

and that's a server setting in the db, not a code change

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Beirdo:

it's been extensively tested against ircd-hybrid and whatever version it is that OFTC uses as well

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Beirdo:

heya, stuarta

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pascalou:

hi here

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pascalou:

i ahve a friend who has a problem with a buggy channel, we did hide the chennel in the osd view, but myth starts on this chennel when we start watching tv and then freeze on his system

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pascalou:

how do i change the channel that starts when live tv starts ?

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paras:

what would happen if i stop the backend while it's commflagging ? will it resume the commflagging after restarting it or will it restart the commflagging ?

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pascalou:

i tried to get him to not use live tv but his new to the multimedia center concept so he abolutly want that for th emoment, i think he l switch to recored shows later

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pascalou:

as i remmeber it will restart it

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pascalou:

either this or transcoding will restart

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gbee:

pascalou: change the starting channel for that Input in mythtv-setup

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pascalou:

i think i tried that i, i ll try again

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justinh:

AFAIK it should remember the last tuned channel anyway, not always go back to the starting channel

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patdk-wk:

justinh, only if that option is turned on

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pascalou:

thanks

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patdk-wk:

and if he has more than one tuner, it would be good to go in mythtv-setup and change them all manually anyways

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justinh:

there's a setting for it?!

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patdk-wk:

yep

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patdk-wk:

remember last tuned channel, or something like that

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justinh:

can't find it on my 0.21 box. hey ho

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patdk-wk:

it was on my .21 box

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patdk-wk:

I can't remember if it was in myth-setup or not though

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bitchkat:

I just installed mythtv on fedora 12 primarily as a video library manager at this. I've ripped a bunch of dvd's and the internal player is having some issues playing them. It seems like every minute of so the video playback speed goes really fast for a few seconds and eventually the audio sync gets way behind (several seconds)

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bitchkat:

I'm running this on an old lenovo T60 with radeon driver and the system is using pulseaudio

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justinh:

heh still ripping those rented dvds huh

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bitchkat:

getting around to watching them actually

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Dagmar:

He should juuuuust gtfo then

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justinh:

not the kind of thing I'd admit to on a very public medium :-)

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Dagmar:

For some reason people think that no one would ever get pissed off about them working hard to give a piece of software they use as something preferred by jackass pirates

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Dagmar:

Sadly, even with the guns firing god only knows where in FoM, it's combat was LESS irksome

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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bitchkat:

no pirating going on, i paid to rent the dvd's and am just format shifting like recording tv programs

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** justinh facepalms **

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Dagmar:

I'm sorry, did I give you the impression that I was mentally retarded somehow?

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justinh:

so you won't mind me retweeting your tweet to @MPAA

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Dagmar:

I know you seem to be doing a good job of making me think _you're_ a moron if you think I'm going to believe that.

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bitchkat:

dagmar, believe what you what. but I can assure you that I legally rented the dvd's and am the only one who will watch them

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Dagmar:

Making copies of rented DVDs to keep is PIRACY dumbass

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patdk-wk:

that still isnt very legal

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patdk-wk:

it doesn't matter when you watch it

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justinh:

point is, it's only on the cusp of being fair use even when you own the damn things

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patdk-wk:

if you copy it, it's illegal

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Dagmar:

You're not even smart enough to know that "format shifting" is utter bullshit and has no bearing on this use-case.

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Dagmar:

Words have meaning! You can't just stick them together any which way and decide they suddenly mean something you made up on the post.

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** stuarta sighs **

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bitchkat:

So what is the point of "Import DVD" under "Optical Discs" if its not to import DVD's. Also by your definition, "Play DVD" on mythtv would be illegal also?

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patdk-wk:

bitchkat, yes, those are illegal for rented dvd's

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patdk-wk:

and for friends dvd's

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Dagmar:

It's for _things you own_ dumbass

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Dagmar:

Have you seen this thing called Ubuntu?

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justinh:

and then only when you live in places where it's not illegal

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Dagmar:

Apparently it was a Linux distro that got bought out

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justinh:

pretty sure netflix would be a bit miffed too

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Dagmar:

That means the people who were working on it for free got corporate backing

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bitchkat:

Well, the same problem happens for the DVD's that I purchased.

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Dagmar:

THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN WITH MYTH

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Dagmar:

...because every little twit out there thinks it's fine to use it for pirating stuff and to watch their pirated stuff and no company in their right mind will EVER go near that

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justinh:

and all because some folks aren't savvy enough to keep how they use it under their hat

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Dagmar:

If you can't handle the complexities of knowing right from wrong, find a grown-up to explain it to you

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Dagmar:

Most people have that stuff figured out by the time they're about five or six years old

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justinh:

wouldn't care so much if everything on the internet didn't wind up stored in perpetuity ffs

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syamajala:

anyone setup mythexport on a distro other than mythbuntu

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justinh:

it's just a perl script isn't it?

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justinh:

just meet the perl dependencies & you should be good, I'd think

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syamajala:

there is a web gui

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justinh:

heh

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syamajala:

i haven't tried setting it up yet

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justinh:

been a while since I kept tabs on that

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justinh:

wow. when did ubuntu take out aac from ffmpeg but leave in mp3?

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justinh:

or is it more that ffmpeg lost aac encoding?

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justinh:

I doubt it'd be the latter but y'never know

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patdk-wk:

hmm, aac was a lib

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patdk-wk:

maybe the licensing changed on the lib

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patdk-wk:

so ubuntu removed it

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justinh:

so since when has ubuntu allowed mp3 encoding?

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patdk-wk:

mine didn't

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Dagmar:

Probably since someone got some cojones

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justinh:

previously the ffmpeg packages didn't have it, or xvid, yada yada

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justinh:

actually maybe with mythbuntu they always did

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Dagmar:

Either that or someone didn't make it a QA item to check on the packages when they rebuild them

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syamajala:

this is probably more trouble than its worth

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justinh:

syamajala: AFAICT the web thing is just for config anyway

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patdk-wk:

just use mediabuntu :)

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justinh:

it's still doing stuff as a user job by the looks of it

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Dagmar:

While it might be really incompatible with the GPL, the way the patent holder treats the thing is if you're not asking for money for it, they dont' care if you use it

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Dagmar:

It just means more market penetration for them

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loki_666:

wow i've just read the reactions on bitchkat

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Dagmar:

It's a sore point.

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loki_666:

justinh, Dagmar, would have you guys helped him if he told you i was trying to rip owned DVD?

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loki_666:

he was...

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bitchkat:

she not he actually

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patdk-wk:

only after flatty saying rented first

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justinh:

loki_666: point being, they tweeted about ripping rented DVDs & it showed up in my search column

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justinh:

I remembered the nick, and the rest is recent history

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Dagmar:

We wouldn't have to go through half the BS we do just to accomplish fair use things with legitimately obtained media if the idiot pirate-everything-and-it's-dog crowd had enough sense to get in out of the rain and not crow to the world about it

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justinh:

Dagmar: not to mention kept it to themselves physically ;-)

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Dagmar:

So yes, we tend to be kinda bitter towards people who are actively doing things that make our lives significantly more hassle-laden

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loki_666:

mmmh, so you dont help thieves, but you could have helped a smart liar

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justinh:

loki_666: wait til somebody appears saying they have problems with files in mythvideo & the names are like 1337.cam.gr0upn@m3.xvid.avi

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Dagmar:

loki_666: If they were actually _smart_ they would know how to use a search engine to figure things out for themselves.

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justinh:

loki_666: so you're saying we should suspect everybody instead?

[14:43:32]

loki_666:

true

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loki_666:

justinh, maybe

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Dagmar:

THey would have some idea of discretion, and very possibly _self-restraint_

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justinh:

thing is, this is a logged channel

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bitchkat:

actually I have googled and read the myth documentaiton and wiki on this issue

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justinh:

associating with people who are doing naughty things & admitting it in public is bad PR

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Dagmar:

Just because you *can* clone a rented DVD easily isntead of buying it doesn't mean you _should_

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Dagmar:

...and "easily" is definitely a relative term

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justinh:

lessons to learn here. 1. don't use pulseaudio if you can avoid it

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AndyCap:

"for the foreseeable future, it remains unlawful in the United States to market devices that copy DVDs. " http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/01/judg . . . allegations/

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** patdk-wk has had no issues with pulseaudio :) **

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Dagmar:

The lawyers filing suits against Real wouldn't have nearly so much ammunition if every twit on the planet weren't frantically pirating everything they can

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justinh:

patdk-wk: bully for you. I was seeing sync slide around like something not right

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bitchkat:

justinh, that is what I was wondering. Pulse is default on fedora but I am happy to rip it out if possible on a dedicated myth box

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Dagmar:

It doesn't even matter that Real put more than enough stuff in there to keep cloning under control

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justinh:

for the time being, pulseaudio is very much a case of YMMV w.r.t. mythtv

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justinh:

if you get nice insync non-laggy audio,yay. if not, rip it out

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AndyCap:

removed it from my fedora machine since it doesn't do dolby digital passthrough

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justinh:

it also pays to look at the mythtv bug tracker which IIRC mentions a very similar problem

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justinh:

AndyCap: honestly?!

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justinh:

wtf use is that then?

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[Peter]:

justinh: nope

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[Peter]:

for most people it is the most useless app ever. it only introduces problems without any real gains

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AndyCap:

http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/167

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loki_666:

[Peter], for using it because it's default in ubuntu, i was two use of pulseaudio

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justinh:

Why I oughtta...

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sid3windr:

WHY YOU LITTLE

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loki_666:

1. be able to set different input level for different apps

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sid3windr:

(why do those sentences start with why?)

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loki_666:

2. it should be able to reroute easly audio with bluetooth devices

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loki_666:

but it didnt worked

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justinh:

sid3windr: because the word 'why' needn't always imply a question ;)

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justinh:

bluetooth audio. meh

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justinh:

so we can Skype our friendz0r5

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sid3windr:

justinh: yea, obviously, but still – a little weird to me :P

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[Peter]:

software volume levels suck anyway, they kill resolution

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** sid3windr is using bt audio over pulse in development, works berry nicely **

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justinh:

[Peter]: right on :-)

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justinh:

likewise software samplerate conversion.

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justinh:

on the fly. bleugh

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Dagmar:

loki_666: Unfortunately ALSA just isn't built for hot-plugging

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Dagmar:

It'll get there eventually, but from what the ALSA devs have said, not before a major rewrite of parts of it

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loki_666:

Dagmar, right, isn't what pulseadio is for?

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justinh:

they all have their failings, but FWIW there's only one with bad latency issues

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Dagmar:

loki_666: If it didn't result in trading a few minor issues for a whole pile of newer, even more gnomic ones?

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AndyCap:

2nd zistem<!

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justinh:

this is all cos of windows vista anyway. if vista didn't have it, nobody would want induhvidual vol. controls

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Dagmar:

You can do the individual volume controls in ALSA

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Dagmar:

It just requires you to put the wiring into it's config file

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AndyCap:

I thought I had induhvidual volume controls. in the bloody app that makes the noise.

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justinh:

and you know what.. if your hardware is so crap it doesn't support even just a little bit of hardware mixing.. go to hell :)

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Dagmar:

Which requires you to be a freaking super-genius or super-masochist to figure out how to do

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AndyCap:

set ring volume, set music volume, set effects volume.

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justinh:

Dagmar: that covers anything but the bog standard 'ooh it works, let's not mess with it then' approach :)

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justinh:

anyway from what I've seen, even when you *do* use pulse for the 'convenience' of individual vol. controls where the hell is the convenience in their control applet?!

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AndyCap:

justinh: in version n+1

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justinh:

whatever happened to getting it right first time around? rather than complete pig toss & putting folks off it for life?

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AndyCap:

release early, release often..

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AndyCap:

no abstinence there

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justinh:

it'll pass me by. Nobody's loss but hey

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AndyCap:

abstention...

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AndyCap:

hmm, what is the right term.

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justinh:

getting things right wins you fans?

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justinh:

sucking like a pig's ass makes people not like things?

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_ben:

they could submit patches then :p

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justinh:

I only do that when I have no other real choice :)

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justinh:

but when it's as easy as bypass it.. ummm....

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justinh:

starting to tire of all these products with 'Vu' in their name. Wonder if anybody in the marketing dept. has a real qualification

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** sid3windr builds a VuTV **

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sid3windr:

mm, TVu

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justinh:

one of our ranges is (ahem) Vu Connected. some folks replace 'connected' with 'infected'

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justinh:

the logo is great for leaving cards though. you can say 'sorry you're leaVing' where the letter V is from the 'Vu' part of the logo

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justinh:

doubly ironic usually, since the reason for the people leaving has a lot to do with said logo

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AndyCap:

PowerVu

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orly_owl:

audio over HDMI on jaunty?

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orly_owl:

card is ATI RV370

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orly_owl:

05:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Radeon X300SE]

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justinh:

orly_owl: more of a #ubuntu question I'd have thought...

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orly_owl:

probably

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AndyCap:

did ubuntu get word of the day toilet paper or something?

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orly_owl:

eh?

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justinh:

I think it's how they come up with names for releases

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sid3windr:

lol

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AndyCap:

(and a very weak Friends reference) :P

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justinh:

ahh Friends. my favourite episode is the one where Ross whines a lot.

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AndyCap:

all of them?

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xaxes:

hey there.. how can I go fast backward in live-tv mode?

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xaxes:

the steps are very little

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xaxes:

small*

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GreyFoxx:

depends on how far back you want to go

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GreyFoxx:

you can configure myth for how far your just forward and backwards go

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xaxes:

greater steps would be nice, lets say 3x

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GreyFoxx:

I have mine set to 5 seconds back, 30 seconds forward

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GreyFoxx:

If you want to jump back by 1 minute just hit 1 and left arrow

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GreyFoxx:

it will move back 1 minute

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xaxes:

okay thanks.. but atm I have other problems.. your tip doesnt work.. neither the "normal left" .. pictures "shaking", but it doenst get backwards

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GreyFoxx:

no idea

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xaxes:

okay, but thanks :)

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xaxes:

restarting live-tv fixed it ^^

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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xaxes:

the 1 left tip is very nice :) thank yoou! see ya

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gizmobay:

okay myth is using upstart to start the BE. How can I create a pid file that I need for monit?

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GreyFoxx:

mythbackend --help

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GreyFoxx:

ther eis a flag to specify a pid file

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gizmobay:

awesome thanks

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superm1:

gizmobay, you dont need monit when using upstart

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superm1:

they do the same thing...

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superm1:

upstart will automatically restart the backend when it crashes too

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gizmobay:

oh, I didn't know that

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gizmobay:

thanks, save me some time

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: you ever get that fusefs thing working?

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gizmobay:

Is there a way to view the uptime with upstart?

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FredYerkes:

gizmobay: why would you want to use upstart when you can just use "uptime"

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jams:

i think he means the uptime of a daemon controlled by upstart

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gizmobay:

I was wondering id there's a way to see the uptime of mythbackend

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gizmobay:

just so you know if it crashed

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GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: Got it all last night but I needed to update myth (wsa a couple weeks behind). I have that done this morning but haven't touched it since :)

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GreyFoxx:

should be able to try it later today :)

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jams:

gizmobay- your probably better off asking in a buntucentric channel

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jams:

or the manpage for upstart might help

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aliby:

I have two monitors, my main one on my desk (VGA), and a LCD HDTV (connected with HDMI) next to it that I would like to output my MythTV screen onto. Currently to do this I'm running mythfrontend in Windowed mode and just moving it over onto the second monitor. Is there a better way to do this? All I use the tv for is MythTV...

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jams:

aliby- under the appearance settings you can tell it which screen to use

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gizmobay:

guess I could sift through the logs

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jams:

gizmobay- could look at the creation time of the pid file

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patdk-wk:

jams, I like to read it from /proc/pid/status

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patdk-wk:

actually: `stat -t /proc/${PID} | awk '{ print $12; }'`

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superm1:

gizmobay, "status job"

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superm1:

will tell you if the job is up and running or not

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superm1:

if the pid changed from last time you ran it, then it crashed :)

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Cubber:

My mythtv setup consists of a backend server that also runs a frontend. 2 laptops that run frontends, and 3 xboxes that connect to the backend through xbmc. All of the frontends see all of the recordings in the "All Recordings" list except for the frontend that is on the backend server. That one only sees the recordings that I setup on that particular front end. The rest see them all. How can I make the frontend on the backend

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: there shouldnt be any recent proto/schema updates that affect the bindings

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wagnerrp:

just change the values in MythStatic.py to what you need

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wagnerrp:

and to be honest, i believe theyre both one or two versions behind

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wagnerrp:

so youll have to hit those files if you update anyway

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dubstar_04_:

heroes is on the BBC iplayer and its decent quality too!!

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gbee:

better quality on terrestrial, even better still on BBC HD

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** gbee doesn't get iplayer unless it's a question of catching something you forget/failed to record **

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patdk-wk:

heh?

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patdk-wk:

I thought iplayer was so when your friends tell you it's a good tv series

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patdk-wk:

you can watch what you already missed :)

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mjj29:

gbee: or if you have no reception for digital )-:

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mjj29:

speaking of which I should chase the councel

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gbee:

well there is dvb-s in that case

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gbee:

patdk-wk: generally I record everything that looks remotely interesting and if it's no good I cancel the schedule :) A lot of people seem to like using iplayer all the time though and that's what I don't understand, the quality/resolution is inferior to broadcast, you have to watch it on a computer monitor etc

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coffee412:

fc11 – rpmfusion mythtv install. Where does mythweb store its files so I can set it up?

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patdk-wk:

isn't mythtv on a computer monitor? :)

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gbee:

then again, I'm forgetting that these are probably the same people who watch appauling quality pirated mkvs of US shows the day after they are broadcast over there, in comparison I can see iplayer appearing to be great

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_ben:

heh

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mjj29:

gbee: and you're in a rented house you can't put a satellite dish on

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gbee:

patdk-wk: normally a TV of 36" or greater, not a monitor of 15–21" sitting on a desk somewhere

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coffee412:

Ive just installed mythtv from rpmfusion and cannot figure out how to get mythweb setup. I read the readme but seems Im missing some mythweb files. I do see mythweb running on port 6543 but no connects to port. Help?

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gbee:

mjj29: heh, point it out the window ;)

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coffee412:

No firewall, iptables off.

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mjj29:

gbee: glass in not being transparent to satellite signals

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coffee412:

I have no mythweb files in /var/www/html

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patdk-wk:

gbee, I have a 26" monitor mounted on the wall in my bedroom

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patdk-wk:

works great

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Cubber:

anyone have any idea how I can fix my recording list issue?

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gbee:

patdk-wk: not saying it wouldn't, but the experience doesn't quite compare to a proper sized tv

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clever:

gbee: http://privatepaste.com/5a9b62b3b3

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wagnerrp:

coffee412: mythweb better not be running on port 6543

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iamlindoro:

clever: If you believe you have found a bug, file a bug report WITH A PROPER BACKTRACE AN UNMODIFIED CODE like every other is required to

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iamlindoro:

clever: You do not get special treatment, and you are not exempt to the rules of what is development talk. And please *don't* single out individuals to troubleshoot your issue in real time

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clever:

iamlindoro: the only modification i did was an assert, and if i remove that it will just segfault

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iamlindoro:

then file a bug with a backtrace as described in the manual

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clever:

and i was talking to stuarta/gbee last night about this problem

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iamlindoro:

gbee is not your personal developer

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iamlindoro:

file a bug, and wait for it to be addressed like everyone else. Enough is enough.

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clever:

ah, on closer inspecting i see that the latest version of mpegrecorder.cpp was slightly modified

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah attempted to set you straight last time, and you saw fit to ignore him too. Cut it the hell out.

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wagnerrp:

'this is better, because a laser is the most efficient optical device known to mankind'.... wha?

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wagnerrp:

i thought lasers were horribly inefficient

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clever:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22502/tr . . . recorder.cpp seems somebody already fixed my segfault, so now the assert i added is just making it worse

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unixSnob:

does pal vs. ntsc make a differnece on the composite signal that leaves a cable box?

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patdk-wk:

unixSnob, completely

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unixSnob:

bummer! I have an ntsc capture card, and might try to use it in europe.. guess it won't work

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patdk-wk:

why?

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patdk-wk:

most capture cards do both

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unixSnob:

patdk-wk: well the plextor convertx seems to have both an NA version, and a EUR version

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patdk-wk:

so do my cards

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unixSnob:

so if there are two different model numbers, probably means i'll have trouble

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patdk-wk:

but the difference is the clock on them

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patdk-wk:

if you select pal on an ntsc card, it just calcs the diff inside the chip

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unixSnob:

strange.. why would the hardware differ, if it's a difference in software?

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patdk-wk:

depends on your card though

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patdk-wk:

I dunno, probably the pal card, with a pal clock will be more accurate?

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unixSnob:

the driver has settings for both, but i figured that was just so the driver would be universal.. otherwise, why would there be two different models?

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patdk-wk:

well, only one way to know for sure

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unixSnob:

yeah, i'll have to try it

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iamlindoro:

only the tuner in most recent cards is one or the other

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iamlindoro:

composite/s-vid should do both in most cards, PVR-x50 included

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patdk-wk:

ya

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patdk-wk:

unixSnob, ya, I was sure ntsc/pal wouldn't matter at all till I read this about the clocks, still doesn't matter much :)

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patdk-wk:

http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_ImpactVCB

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patdk-wk:

and I doubt you are using that with mythtv atleast :)

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wagnerrp:

isnt that a security capture card?

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patdk-wk:

yep

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wagnerrp:

with no audio?

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patdk-wk:

but still same hardware, btb capture

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patdk-wk:

do any btb's have audio? :)

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wagnerrp:

well i mean youve got like four inputs with no audio

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patdk-wk:

I said it wasn't for mythtv

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patdk-wk:

but the hardware is similar

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wagnerrp:

ah, didnt catch that

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patdk-wk:

I wonder why 35mhz for pal though

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patdk-wk:

pal is 50hz and ntsc is 60hz (approx)

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wagnerrp:

thats the signal rate, not the refresh rate

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aliby:

jams — thanks! that worked!

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aliby:

(second screen setup)

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fastie81:

hi all

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fastie81:

I have updated myth to 0.22 about 2 months ago and I have a problem with my 4 HDHomerun DVB-t

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fastie81:

I found a ticket that was open with the problem I have http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7624#comment:8

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fastie81:

how can I add this pach to mytv? I have never recompile myth

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fastie81:

patch even

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wagnerrp:

just follow standard conventions for patching and compiling

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fastie81:

do I recompile everything or just on bit of it??

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wagnerrp:

all of it

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fastie81:

I have been using Jya repo

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fastie81:

see that there is a lot of files..

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fastie81:

dam..

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fastie81:

ok well then I would need to go dig..

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fastie81:

thansk

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dubstar_04_:

iamlindoro: can i log through std::cerr with a MNV grabber?

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dubstar_04_:

or is it better to log to a file?

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iamlindoro:

any way you like is fine, only stdout is parsed by mnv

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wagnerrp:

likely any text to stderr is going to fault the plugin

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iamlindoro:

nah, it's just ignored

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iamlindoro:

I only read the StdOut stream

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dubstar_04_:

ive made some progress with my iplayer grabber its writing almost the whole rss feed to stdout now just need to work out how to make the feed more usable

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sphery:

Beirdo: Glad it won't require lots of work--the log bot is definitely appreciated here. And good to know you're on top of it, already.

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Beirdo:

I will look into it in detail tonight though

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Beirdo:

just to make sure they didn't do something retarded :)

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Beirdo:

I'm glad it's useful to more than just me :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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gbee:

it's immensely useful for preserving my stupid comments for all to see till the end of time

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Beirdo:

heh. How true

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Beirdo:

great way to have our boneheaded days show up on google. Doh!

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I thought #7393 was marked as never delete

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iamlindoro:

sphery: If I never deleted it, I would have missed another chance to write trac Haikus

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sphery:

true

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sphery:

and we need our Tracus

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sphery:

anyone else have a problem with iamlindoro's squashing bugs /before/ the party?

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sphery:

we'll all get to the party and find that he drank all the soda and ate all the chips.

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Beirdo:

Be sure to use Raid... Kills bugs dead.

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sphery:

heh

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gbee:

oh, did no-one tell sphery that we moved the party forward to today? This is a little awkward ...

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sphery:

this is just like junior high school... :(

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devinheitmueller:

I'm trying to figure out what part of this makes it a "party". I spent *every* weekend on IRC squashing bugs and drinking soda alone in my apartment.

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jams:

it's your own house party

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devinheitmueller:

I see.

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sphery:

I think we're all supposed to go out and buy balloons for this one. That's the difference.

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devinheitmueller:

OH!

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devinheitmueller:

Ok then.

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sphery:

I'm getting custom ballons that say, "MythTV rocks and bugs roll away!"

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: It's just like that, but you do it drunk

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devinheitmueller:

Ah.

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iamlindoro:

just like *I* do every weekend

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Beirdo:

unless we can convince sphery to ship us kegs o' beer :)

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iamlindoro:

Closed=> DFALKHGASH

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iamlindoro:

resolution=> gsiiejhfhgg

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devinheitmueller:

These are the disadvantages of having a geographically dispersed development team.

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sphery:

resolution => stopdrinkingsomuchbeforenoon

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antgel:

are there any known memory leaks in 0.22-fixes mythfrontend? mine has gone from 24 to 53%MEM in top

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gbee:

none

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wagnerrp:

of how much memory total?

[20:00:30]

wagnerrp:

have you been looking at fanart?

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iamlindoro:

My mother used to ask me that same question

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wagnerrp:

that tends to fill up consumption, but its not a 'leak' per se

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kormoc:

what's the unit of measurement for the 24, is it 24 gigs? 24k? 24 bytes?

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iamlindoro:

"No mom, never!"

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: percent

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antgel:

of 2GB (actually 1.5 as 0.5 is shared with the onboard video)

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antgel:

wagnerrp: no fanart

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wagnerrp:

yeah, 770MB of memory consumption is not unheard of for mythfrontend, when you start caching all sorts of images

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wagnerrp:

especially at 1080p

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antgel:

i think this is 1080i

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wagnerrp:

p

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wagnerrp:

stills cannot be interlaced

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gbee:

/shared with/total ownership given to/

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antgel:

*nod*

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wagnerrp:

and youre almost certainly outputting progressive

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antgel:

indeed

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sphery:

iamlindoro: sorry--I probably should have closed #7604 after http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/409088#409088

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antgel:

first time i've watched ITV HD for a long time, there is the odd jerk that i brought up here a while ago, now at least i can have a look in the logs

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iamlindoro:

sphery: no worries

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wagnerrp:

#7604 is an absolutely huge query

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gbee:

you've not see the BUQ then

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iamlindoro:

That's life in the big city

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** CyberKnet still has nightmares about a 1500 line sproc he inherited at his last job **

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CyberKnet:

*shudder*

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sphery:

iamlindoro: so #7526 becomes, "myth.rebuilddatabase.pl should GDIAF"

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Yeah, that's all on you, though, I've drawn enough fire for one day :)

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sphery:

I think #7604 /is/ the BUSQ

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sphery:

yeah, I need to get the auto-import into mythbackend, then I'll close all rebuilddb tickets with a vengeance

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sphery:

(with help from Bruce Willis, of course)

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: You made hackaday.com :)

[20:20:48]

iamlindoro:

I did?

[20:20:51]

GreyFoxx:

currently the most recent article :)

[20:20:53]

GreyFoxx:

yeah :)

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** iamlindoro goes to find out what hackaday.com is **

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iamlindoro:

haha

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GreyFoxx:

heh It's a great site for findout out nifty hardware hacks people are doing

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GreyFoxx:

usually with a review and links to the stuff to do it yourself or ge tinvolved

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GreyFoxx:

I've been following it daily for what seems like years :)

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iamlindoro:

Wow, neat to get press for it

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iamlindoro:

gadgetwisdom did a writeup a few weeks back too

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** iamlindoro gulps **

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iamlindoro:

beter get it working, then...

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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** iamlindoro encourages GreyFoxx to support its inclusion for .23 ;) **

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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iamlindoro:

If we make it official and I can get a bit of a hand on it in the next six weeks, I think it could be pretty cool indeed

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iamlindoro:

right now it has four or so known issues that vary from trivial/ugly to one ugly crash

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iamlindoro:

But I got my first unsolicited grabber script in e-mail last night

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iamlindoro:

someone wrote a grabber for Swedish national TV's (SVT) VOD service

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iamlindoro:

guess the grabber documentation must be okay, because it worked, too

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mag0o:

ok, so i installed mythbuntu on a laptop to hook to my new tv via vga and the nvidia quadro nvs 135m outputs 1920x1080 ever so nicely. the problem i've run into is that playback in myth has black bars on top and bottom, not filling the screen. this is a new frontend with no changes made to the settings. any ideas?

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GreyFoxx:

I was thinking of getting a bluetooth bracelet and hack something up so that myth will only allow access to certain stuff if I am in the room :) Or some sort of rfid tag for it. Just to annoy everyone in my house :)

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GreyFoxx:

if exists /tmp/gregishere then letfreedomereign else sosoupforyou

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GreyFoxx:

err no

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mag0o:

ah! the xinerama screen setting!

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mag0o:

ratio

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iamlindoro:

Your mom's a ratio

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mag0o:

hey!

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mag0o:

I'm telling!

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iamlindoro:

nuh-uh you're not

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mag0o:

nice, c2d laptop w/ 3gb ram and that nvidia quadro 135M plays back hd content nicely

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clever:

GreyFoxx: i have a link for exactly what your thinking

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iamlindoro:

mag0o: well is *that* all it took ;)

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clever:

GreyFoxx: http://hackaday.com/2009/12/18/bluetooth-bracelet-hacked/

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mag0o:

hehe

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mag0o:

considering i was trying to push it with an intel onboard, 512mb and a celeron...

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robertj:

dear-lazyweb, should I bother to put a patch panel in my home wiring closet?

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GreyFoxx:

clever: Yeah, that'st the one that gave me the idea :)

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clever:

GreyFoxx: another idea you could do is to put more bluetooth sticks around the house, and display the mythtv status up

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clever:

GreyFoxx: maybe beep when the kids try to play your pron

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GreyFoxx:

Well that's too easy

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GreyFoxx:

I could simple sms my phone if someone tried to play something I didn't want

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GreyFoxx:

I'm trying to think of something that acts differently because I'm nearby

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GreyFoxx:

house/room lights coming on

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clever:

it would be very easy to detect the bluetooth on the phone

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clever:

but the range is fairly limited

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GreyFoxx:

tv going into sleep iof I'm away for more than 30 mintues , etc

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jduggan:

watching tv with the wife, you go upstairs for a monsterous turd leaving her to watch the season finale of lost, you go away and the tv turns off, she's gonna love that

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jduggan:

=]

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clever:

program it to also check for her phone

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GreyFoxx:

jduggan: It would only do it if playback wasn't in progress and the remote had otherwise been untouched :)

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iamlindoro:

Ain't nothin' gettin' watched in this house without papa bear

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iamlindoro:

nah, I like the "walk away and unbreakable pause" idea ;)

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GreyFoxx:

so if I run upstairs for a "minute" but end up being there for a couple hours it auto goes into screensaver

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GreyFoxx:

but if I'm nearby it wont

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GreyFoxx:

I like the turn on/off lights

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skd5aner:

http://hackaday.com/2010/01/13/mythnetvision- . . . ythtv-hacks/ – I could be late, but did anyone see that?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: new event system makes what you want to do simple as pie

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GreyFoxx:

skd5aner: yeah :)

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skd5aner:

doh – of course they did

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clever:

skd5aner: i just saw it

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, I got to learn what that web site is ;)

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** skd5aner was too lazy to scroll up 10 lines :P **

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iamlindoro:

pressure's on now

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: It's been around for a while now, pretty cool site

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skd5aner:

kinda like MAKE I guess

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Yeah, if I was single then I'd never hit pause again... if I want out of the room it just auto pauses heh

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iamlindoro:

Wish he'd chosen Arclight screenshots instead of default, but you can;t have everything :)

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iamlindoro:

My own fault for not spending more time on the default theme

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skd5aner:

who is the Mike that posted it?

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clever:

skd5aner: not the same mike as me

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Thanks for the link I had not seen that yet. At least they are somewhat positive.

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skd5aner:

yea – simple and to the point, nice to show how it surpassess all previous attempts at a solution :)

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: It also hit the nail on the head stating the plugin will be successful when there are many grabbers scripts contributed.

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antgel:

right, watching live ITV HD, all is good, then suddenly there's lots of http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1750161 and it stays messed up for a good... 10–20 seconds? what's strange is that at the time, the hard disk light is going mad, but top doesn't show much taking up CPU time

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antgel:

any clues?

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antgel:

interestingly, the 54%MEM on top is now down to 32, and we're doing the same task

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antgel:

don't know if that's related

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coffee412:

Im trying to setup 2 pvr-150s with serial to usb to 2 directv boxes in fc11. Is there some guild for this that is uptodate with fc11?? Im kinda lost here.

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gbee:

devinheitmueller: were you the one recently talking about fixing driver bugs that we'd worked around in mythtv? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7227 is one that we're again being asked to work around, but this time we've declined

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** devinheitmueller looks **

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fig:

alquien habla español?

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antgel:

okay, changing channels from ITV HD to normal ITV, been sitting here for a good five minutes staring at a blank screen, lots of hard drive activity and pretty much nothing else

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antgel:

oh man, then i get video frame buffering failed, back at the start. then go into live tv again, and frontend crashed

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devinheitmueller:

gbee: how do I tell who opened this ticket?

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antgel:

and WHERE IS MY FRICKING CORE DUMP

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gbee:

devinheitmueller: as only devs can see the email I've PMd it

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devinheitmueller:

ok.

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devinheitmueller:

I was just trying to figure out what card was involved so I was trying to determine if it was the user who was on the cc and added comments.

[21:42:45]

devinheitmueller:

I would have to look at the source to get more context for the patch, but I don't think this patch is right – in fact I believe it can interfere with cards that are hybrids (support both analog and digital).

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antgel:

ah, does ulimit -c unlimited work on a per-process basis? i have it in my mythbackend startup script, but not in my mythfrontend script

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devinheitmueller:

The whole thing with devices losing their context is a bug in the driver. It typically happens because we're doing a better job of power management (powering down the chips when not in use), but a side-effect of this is they lose their register state.

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devinheitmueller:

... in fact, I've actually caused a few of these issues I'm sure over the years...

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devinheitmueller:

The real problem is that it would add a ton of code to each driver in order to reliably keep track of the state as it changes, and then restore the state after the chip gets powered back up.

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devinheitmueller:

The "safe" approach for applications is to never assume that state persists after the close of the v4l device, which means whenever opening the v4l device to resend the calls that set the video standard, format, etc. And what I just described would definitely be the safer approach then deferring the close operation.

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devinheitmueller:

gnome42: ping

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antgel:

is there a way to get mythfrontend to create a new log on startup (apart from using rm in my startup script)?

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wagnerrp:

no, why do you ask?

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sphery:

use mv in your startup script to move the old one to a different file name?

[22:03:10]

wagnerrp:

dont tell mythfrontend to log to a file, rather redirect it to a file with '>', overwriting the original contents

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sphery:

you could also use a redirect--i.e. "> /path/to/log/file", which (in bash) will trunc the file

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sphery:

or if you do it as part of the mythfrontend start, then it replaces the file, as wagnerrp mentioned

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sphery:

what exactly are you trying to avoid

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wagnerrp:

if you just dont want an endlessly filling file

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wagnerrp:

use some sort of logrotate program

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wagnerrp:

after you swap log files, a '-HUP' tells mythfrontend to re-open the log file'

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wagnerrp:

ugh... 15 minutes figuring out why some socket code wasnt working, i was listening on the wrong port

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antgel:

only 15 minutes? that's nothing in the "land of obvious fail" :)

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wagnerrp:

you should have seen some issue i was having working on the python bindings

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antgel:

sphery: just don't want the file to grow ever-larger

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sphery:

ah, yeah, wagnerrp's suggestion is the best--a log rotator

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wagnerrp:

spent two hours trying to figure out why i couldnt parse some XML on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

turns out some escaped ampersand was getting unescaped by the wiki

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iamlindoro:

To those who were interested, MythNetvision now in trunk, gulp

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wagnerrp:

everyone on the ark, the email flood is starting

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sphery:

everyone on the Ark(light)?

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iamlindoro:

It *is* the best way to experience MythNetvision ;)

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gbee:

there is a Terra version?

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iamlindoro:

Now if only gbee would commit that buttonlist patch... ;)

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mzb:

hmm netvision ... nice 1 iamlindoro ;) Might have to get around to updating ;)

[22:46:01]

iamlindoro:

set expectations to low, Mr. Sulu

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: when I open the site manager in MNV should there already be some default sites?

[22:47:18]

elmojo:

I'm not seeing anything

[22:47:26]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: no-- see the documentation on the wiki

[22:47:33]

iamlindoro:

you need to subscribe to those you would like to see

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elmojo:

ah... ok

[22:47:43]

iamlindoro:

you will need to subscribe, then refresh sites

[22:47:55]

iamlindoro:

Menu->RSS/Site blah blah->Manage Site Subscriptions

[22:48:08]

iamlindoro:

then finish that and do Menu->RSS/Site blah blah/Update Sites

[22:48:23]

iamlindoro:

then get a beer

[22:48:24]

elmojo:

right... I went to Manage Site Subscriptions and nothing was there

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iamlindoro:

ah, that means you have python bindingprerequisite issues

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elmojo:

I checked that the scripts existed at /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythnetvision/scripts

[22:49:00]

iamlindoro:

yeah, try running one

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iamlindoro:

./scriptname -v

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elmojo:

ok

[22:49:13]

iamlindoro:

it'll give a python error

[22:49:27]

iamlindoro:

either the bindings are not installed, or you're missing a pre-req

[22:49:36]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux will be able to give details based on the message

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wagnerrp:

the bindings shouldnt be needed should they?

[22:49:48]

iamlindoro:

They are

[22:49:57]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: is there any reason the MythNetVision wiki page doesn't have a list of content providers that are known to work?

[22:50:00]

mzb:

iamlindoro, I've bought a new RF remote with a slide-out keyboard ... so should be able to give this a good test

[22:50:25]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: I don't understand the question-- provision of content is by script

[22:50:44]

devinheitmueller:

Oh, so is there a batch of scripts out there for MythNetVision?

[22:50:44]

iamlindoro:

so you get content from those scripts which you have installed

[22:50:50]

iamlindoro:

yeah, they're in the source

[22:51:01]

devinheitmueller:

Any reason to perhaps not have the list of current scripts in there?

[22:51:05]

iamlindoro:

(with three more on the way from third parties)

[22:51:15]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: the current scripts are all listed on the grabber script format page for it

[22:51:16]

devinheitmueller:

It would be helpful for people who are wondering, "gee, what services will this give me access to right now?"

[22:51:18]

RDV_Linux:

elmojo: Pastebin the output as suggested ./scriptname -v

[22:51:29]

devinheitmueller:

ah, ok.

[22:51:31]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythNetvision_Grabber_Script_Format

[22:51:45]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: in theory those wondering that should have read the commit :)

[22:51:53]

iamlindoro:

I listed them there

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devinheitmueller:

Uh, I hope you're kidding.

[22:52:11]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: If they're using the development code, they're expected to read commits

[22:52:21]

devinheitmueller:

I'm thinking from the perspective of "stupid user" (something from which I am not that far).

[22:52:30]

iamlindoro:

see above link :)

[22:52:35]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, I see it now.

[22:52:57]

mzb:

title of the commit? ;)

[22:52:58]

devinheitmueller:

I'm guessing that Hulu's TOS prevents this?

[22:53:01]

iamlindoro:

But you're right, we could probably be more explicit about linking that page

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gnome42:

devinheitmueller: pong

[22:53:13]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: right

[22:53:29]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: not that we can stop an enterprising third party from writing a hulu grabber

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: The MNV grabbers so use the bindings as they need to find the icon directory.

[22:53:32]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: RDV_Linux: I didn't have the python_feedparser package installed on my Ubuntu system... it's working now

[22:53:34]

elmojo:

thanks

[22:53:38]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: great

[22:53:38]

gbee:

devinheitmueller: expect to see lots of unofficial scripts for those services

[22:54:13]

devinheitmueller:

gnome42: regarding ticket 7227, can you confirm whether you were actually having a problem *before* applying the patch? Or were you just trying to confirm that it didn't break anything?

[22:54:20]

devinheitmueller:

gbee: great.

[22:54:22]

RDV_Linux:

elmojo: I will need to add that to the wiki. Also the vimeo grabber may require python 2.6

[22:54:25]

gbee:

I'm still curious to know how boxee, as a company and therefore a target, work around the limitation

[22:54:26]

wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: ah

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: added to the wiki page, thanks

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gnome42:

devinheitmueller: the later

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gnome42:

didn't break anything here, but that was a while back so can't say the same for current trunk or anything

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devinheitmueller:

gnome42: ok. I was trying to figure out whether you were suggesting that you had actually seen the original problem with your PVR-250 and bttv.

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iamlindoro:

gbee: From the limited inspection/reading of their code, it seems they are scraping it at Boxee HQ, and all the info is fed to boxes after they log in, so the boxes themselves don't have to do any parsing

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devinheitmueller:

gnome42: sorry, I'm actually talking about ticke t5744.

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gnome42:

yeah, I was only confirming it didn't break things here. But as I recall it did break something for someone else.

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iamlindoro:

so basically they connect to the boxee servers, and the trees are fed on-demand to the box, then when you choose to play something, they do some browser magic on a per-site basis to wrap their player around the flash player

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mzb:

so if I wanted to write a grabber for ABC's iView (.au) how do I find/check the TOS?

[22:56:30]

devinheitmueller:

gnome42: I can actually think of at least one case where it would cause breakage – I'm just trying to gauge how many cards it supposedly fixed a problem for.

[22:56:35]

mzb:

(I've tried to find it previously)

[22:56:45]

gnome42:

devinheitmueller: heh, that was the one I was referring to as well :)

[22:56:47]

iamlindoro:

I freely admit that they do multiple things better than I do so far, but that doesn't mean we can't learn/improve/steal some tricks

[22:56:48]

devinheitmueller:

gnome42: since I would probably rather see the driver fixed assuming it's a problem with only one card.

[22:57:01]

iamlindoro:

mzb: Dunno, contact them, hunt down a terms of use page, etc.

[22:57:07]

mzb:

k

[22:57:23]

iamlindoro:

mzb: Wish I were more helpful in that regard, but I'm just doing plumbing ATM

[22:57:26]

elmojo:

RDV_Linux, iamlindoro: The"Updating Trees. This could take a while..." is taking a long while :)

[22:57:34]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: yes :)

[22:57:38]

RDV_Linux:

elmojo: yes

[22:57:39]

iamlindoro:

see the commit

[22:57:50]

iamlindoro:

It's more or less similar to running a mythfilldatabase

[22:57:53]

iamlindoro:

go get a drink

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gbee:

iamlindoro: interesting, I still can't see how they avoid violating the TOS – in fact re-distribution of that form probably violates even more terms, wonder if they ended up making a deal with Hulu

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gnome42:

I have forgotten most of my MythTV knowledge but it looked like one driver workaround (closing the fd) was maybe the root driver problem and if that was fixed it might make this other issue moot.

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: The goal/hope is to have all that backgrounded and just have a signal bounced to the actual UI to refresh when it's done

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wagnerrp:

gbee: they *did* have some deal with Hulu way back last year, befor Hulu's content providers made them pull out

[22:58:50]

gbee:

it was Hulu that originally shut them down

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gnome42:

But like I said I have forgotten most stuff.

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devinheitmueller:

gnome42: yeah, seems like the only card this works around for is the HVR-4000.

[22:59:12]

iamlindoro:

gbee: yeah.. when they were "at war" with hulu, and they worked around it, their argument was "we're just using a browser now"

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gbee:

wagnerrp: I wasn't aware they had a deal before that happened, I did know that it was the content providers and not Hulu that orchestrated the move

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iamlindoro:

gbee: but the parsing/redistribution appears to be the real issue, and possibly actionable, as you mention

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iamlindoro:

at least with our approach if someone writes a hulu script and the user does their own parsing, we're clear of it so long as we distance ourselves from those scripts

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gnome42:

I thought it was a pita when yesterday my hard drive failed on my master BE , but today my furnace kacked out. Nipple spikes tonite! :))

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gbee:

the content providers naturally don't want to see Hulu eroding their traditional channels, they especially don't want to see Hulu on a TV, so something must be going on behind the scenes

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wagnerrp:

well this looks interesting... http://gizmodo.com/5447362/

[23:03:49]

devinheitmueller:

Hey, do we have any idea how many subscribers are on mythtv-users?

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** iamlindoro shrugs **

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iamlindoro:

I'd guess easily in the thousands, if not many more

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devinheitmueller:

I'm thinking of putting together a survey to try to get some idea what cards are being used.

[23:05:01]

devinheitmueller:

(tuner cards, specifically)

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wagnerrp:

hopefully not through the list, just referenced on it

[23:05:41]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: yes, of course.

[23:05:48]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: there would be a link to a survey page.

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skd5aner:

devinheitmueller: would the mythsmolt info help?

[23:06:24]

devinheitmueller:

mythsmolt? I'm not familiar with that.

[23:06:29]

iamlindoro:

Heh, that smolt output is kinda funny

[23:06:38]

iamlindoro:

1st place manufacturer: Device Manufacturer

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iamlindoro:

2nd Place: Unknown

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skd5aner:

digging up link

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devinheitmueller:

skd5aner: thanks.

[23:07:27]

iamlindoro:

jams would be able to tell you a lot, he wrote it

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skd5aner:

]http://smolt.mythvantage.com/static/stats/devices.html

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skd5aner:

and http://smolt.mythvantage.com/static/stats/stats.html

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jams:

compared to smolts.org is just a tiny sample

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skd5aner:

or, butter yet: http://smolt.mythvantage.com/

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skd5aner:

s/butter/better

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skd5aner:

mmmmmm butter

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devinheitmueller:

hmmm....

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skd5aner:

just knew it existed, can't speak to the sample/quality of the data :)

[23:09:14]

skd5aner:

it's an interesting concept though

[23:09:15]

wagnerrp:

does that data ever get recycled?

[23:09:24]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, this is a *really* small sample size: http://smolt.mythvantage.com/static/stats/by_class_CAPTURE.html

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: Update finish up yet?

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devinheitmueller:

I've got almost as many tuners sitting on a shelf in my apartment. ;-)

[23:09:39]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: It's about half and half downloading and parsing

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jams:

devinheitmueller- go to smolts.org it's a much larger sample

[23:10:06]

devinheitmueller:

... also it won't really tell me about things like the HDHomeRun.

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jams:

devinheitmueller- not yet it won't, still working on it

[23:10:33]

jams:

wagnerrp- yes the machines checkin once in awhile with updates

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devinheitmueller:

Also, I worry a bit that this survey is not really of MythTV users, so much as everybody in the world who knew it existed bothered to answer.

[23:11:32]

wagnerrp:

looks like its primarily linHES users

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jams:

devinheitmueller- smolts.org is not. hopefully more people pickup mythsmolt and report back to smolt.mythvantage.com (only myth users)

[23:11:39]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Think the output is automated with a software tool?

[23:11:49]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: I would assume so.

[23:11:51]

devinheitmueller:

http://smolts.org/static/stats/by_class_CAPTURE.html

[23:12:07]

devinheitmueller:

Not particularly helpful since it basically tells me what PCI bridge was used (and not what product)

[23:12:07]

jams:

of course it's automated (except for the rating)

[23:12:09]

devinheitmueller:

hmmm....

[23:12:10]

iamlindoro:

jams: What reason to folks like MythBuntu give for not using it?

[23:12:21]

iamlindoro:

s/to/do/

[23:12:22]

devinheitmueller:

Oh wait, the devices tab is a bit better.

[23:12:52]

jams:

j-rod said he was going to add it to mythdora but it keeps slipping past the release date

[23:13:08]

jams:

mythbuntu..well i doin't know I asked and didn't really get an answer

[23:13:21]

devinheitmueller:

Is the raw smolt data available?

[23:13:38]

devinheitmueller:

I think I might be able to get *some* of what I need if I could get past the web gui.

[23:13:40]

** j-rod keeps not having time to work on mythdora at all **

[23:13:53]

wagnerrp:

so many ext3 users with frighteningly little storage space

[23:13:54]

jams:

devinheitmueller- with smolts.org yes you can d/l it

[23:14:02]

devinheitmueller:

jams: ok. thanks.

[23:14:09]

jams:

smolt.mythvantage.com..I would have to create the extract

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jams:

iamlindoro- Asked Chutt about a year ago for a cname to smolt.mythtv.org he is still thinking aobut it =)

[23:15:01]

devinheitmueller:

Ok, this is weird. Look at the following:

[23:15:02]

iamlindoro:

Wouldn't want to rush into these things

[23:15:03]

devinheitmueller:

http://smolt.mythvantage.com/static/stats/by_class_CAPTURE.html

[23:15:13]

jams:

heh

[23:15:20]

devinheitmueller:

It says there are 947 devices of which 63% had capture. But there are only about 100 cards by vendor.

[23:15:26]

sphery:

jams: I've always wondered--where did the name smolt come from?

[23:15:48]

sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smolt_(Linux) , heh

[23:16:00]

sphery:

and here I thought you were hard core Arch :)

[23:16:23]

jams:

who do you think added the arch support for smolt =)

[23:16:40]

sphery:

heh--not you just need to update the wikipedia page to say it's available on Arch

[23:16:45]

sphery:

s/not/now/

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skd5aner:

Smolt is a baby fish, I know that much – lol

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sphery:

"Employees must now use offensive or insulting language in the workplace"

[23:17:13]

iamlindoro:

that's a smelt

[23:17:24]

sphery:

I completely understand how it happened.

[23:17:36]

iamlindoro:

ah, I take that back

[23:17:44]

iamlindoro:

it *is* a juvenile fish

[23:18:08]

skd5aner:

it's both: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spawn_(biology)#Smolt

[23:19:55]

sphery:

guess I'll have to ask j-rod where the name came from

[23:20:17]

j-rod:

the hell if I know

[23:20:25]

jams:

used to know but forgot

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j-rod:

someone not in the wesfid office wrote/named it

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iamlindoro:

hahaha

[23:20:47]

j-rod:

if they were in this office, it'd be named after a nearby town

[23:20:50]

iamlindoro:

typed townie accent

[23:21:01]

j-rod:

:D

[23:21:01]

sphery:

heh

[23:21:02]

** iamlindoro used to live is Nahwid **

[23:21:09]

iamlindoro:

and mehfud

[23:21:17]

iamlindoro:

s/is/in/

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j-rod:

b'ricker is still one of my faves

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sphery:

would this be the Northeast language?

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j-rod:

yeah

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jams:

sphery- just asked the lead dev, but he may be busy now as fedorahosted is down

[23:22:11]

sphery:

jams: nice--a man with contacts :)

[23:22:13]

j-rod:

our real estate agent had a hard-core accent. we had no idea billerica was only 2 syllables

[23:22:28]

j-rod:

with no letter l in it actually pronounced

[23:22:36]

iamlindoro:

ah, bill-ricka

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: yes... it finished... got distracted watching stuff :)

[23:22:47]

sphery:

I was kind of disappointed in Rhode Island last week--didn't notice any really pronounced accents. :(

[23:22:47]

j-rod:

yeah, she dropped the ill hto

[23:22:49]

j-rod:

tho

[23:22:55]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: cool, more or less working for you?

[23:23:17]

elmojo:

iamlindoro, RDV_Linux: have you guys successfully added Hulu RSS feeds?

[23:23:21]

jams:

sphrey "well, a blacksmith smelts, so the past tense of that (once it's been built and cataloged) I guessed was smolt"

[23:23:23]

** iamlindoro taught at Nahwid High School for two years **

[23:23:24]

elmojo:

I'm trying but no luck yet

[23:23:30]

skd5aner:

my boss is Bostonian – I laughed today when he said "someone will just put file that away in some drah"

[23:23:40]

skd5aner:

I think he meant drawer, but I'll never know

[23:23:41]

sphery:

jams: cool... very interesting

[23:23:47]

sphery:

like smote and smite

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: haven't tried, they would need to use the mediaRSS tag types for it to work

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jams:

the server is called smoon

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: can you give an RSS example?

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iamlindoro:

a link to a feed?

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: ah, looks like they all redirect

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j-rod:

dracut, wayland, crap, what other crappy MA towns have we named things after lately?...

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RDV_Linux:

elmojo: No hula yet. There are Hula links in the Dailymotion tree view but they do not play properly.

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: have you tried the redirected url? http://rss.hulu.com/HuluRecentlyAddedVideos?format=xml

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elmojo:

iamlindoro, RDV_Linux: ok... cool

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iamlindoro:

that looks like it should be in a format that ought to work

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elmojo:

no not yet

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elmojo:

I'll give it a try

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elmojo:

I wish copy/paste worked with MythTV

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: you and me both

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gbee:

on my list

[23:26:07]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: I'll take a look and see how hard it would be to handle redirects in RSS subscriptions

[23:26:17]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: should be doable, I'm already handling them elsewhere

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RDV_Linux:

elmojo: I am in Canada so without a proxy cannot be tested by me.

[23:27:14]

elmojo:

RDV_Linux: you mean Hulu blocks non-US IP addresses?

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: yeah, I'm rereading my code in that spot, I should be able to fix redirect fairly easily

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elmojo:

awesome

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RDV_Linux:

elmojo: It does for Canada at least/

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sphery:

elmojo: of course, we couldn't let something as wonderful as Hulu outside the US

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: for now just entering the redirected URL should work, let me know

[23:28:12]

sphery:

(for those of you who aren't in the US, that was sarcasm--Hulu is far from wonderful)

[23:28:19]

elmojo:

trying now

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RDV_Linux:

elmojo: A lot of the MTV videos are blocked from their web page but many work through the grabber due to inconsistency in their identification of the video file itself.

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: and remember when adding an RSS feed, after you update, you'll either need to update a second time, or leave and re-enter the plugin-- a minor bug I'll fix soon

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: Hulu is working great!

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: awesome

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elmojo:

and it's a treat getting to use MNV with ArcLight :)

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RDV_Linux:

elmojo: Fullscreen or through a web page?

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: heh, yeah, it's a nicer interface than default (IMO) :)

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elmojo:

RDV_Linux: webpage

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elmojo:

kinda small but it works

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: clicking the fullscreen link ought to be doable

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iamlindoro:

ie the button in the player

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RDV_Linux:

elmojo: I had to massage a number of the URLs to get them to play full screen right away.

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skd5aner:

does MNV have any "download and save" options, or is that too risky given ToS requirements?

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: make sure to check the troubleshooting portion of the MNV wiki page, there's still some naughty focus-stealing the flash widget does that you have to get fancy to escape from

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: If the grabber output indicates the file is downloadable, and gives a proper download path to it, you can save a file

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iamlindoro:

ie, regular video RSS, or a grabber which is written to provide a downloadable link

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skd5aner:

I like my music video collection, which is a pain-in-the-butt to do by recording several hours of videos, then trying to edit it down to each video you want to keep

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skd5aner:

would be nice if you could download good quality music videos

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iamlindoro:

for example, if you subscribe to a revision3 show, selecting the button item takes you to their web player, but you can also open the menu and choose to save it

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iamlindoro:

Well, with MTV that won't be possible, there's no downloable file

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iamlindoro:

and it would be a violation of their ToS anyway

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skd5aner:

yea – not shocked

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: The grabber author has to inspect the TOS and then figure our how down loadable files are reflected in the data they get from the source site.

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iamlindoro:

I rather suspect that someone will "cook" the youtube grabber to provide download links in short order

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skd5aner:

I wish there was an easy way to export shows with cutlists that would create a new clip for each section of video, that would make it 100x easier

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Some sites have a mixture of downloads and non-downloads. It can get tricky.

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skd5aner:

Yea, I experiemented about 3 years ago, before youtube offered HD versions, of trying to download videos, but it was basically worthless – I think after 3 clips I just gave up

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: yeah... flash is a bit stingy with focus... difficult to get back sometimes

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: I think paul-h may look at mythbrowser to see if we can intercept the escape, though, which would make using the plugin a boatload nicer

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skd5aner:

I was missing some dependencies for mythbrowser which caused it not to work, I suprised it built without those depends in place

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JEDIDIAH__:

which branch is the new plugin in

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JEDIDIAH__:

nm, I think I see where it is...

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