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freephile1: |
[R]: my q. is about mythweb not working on karmic |
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freephile1: |
Dagmar: do you have anything specific? |
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Dagmar: |
freephile: That your PHP is incompatible |
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Dagmar: |
...because of suhosin. |
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cmdln: |
mmm so what tables do i need to move between backend databases if all I want to keep is the channel lineup? |
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joesuffceren: |
dagmar: I've done plenty of reading and know enough about the superiority of component to svideo (hence my desire to get an adapter). What I don't know is the level of superiority on my particular set. Haven't found (have looked) online anyone who's done that comparison with my set. |
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joesuffceren: |
I'll just borrow a dvd player that has both outputs and see if the difference is enough (from my perspective) to warrant the additional cost |
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antgel: |
cmdln: can't you import a channels.conf or something? getting down and dirty with sql is usually frowned on here |
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cmdln: |
well I dont have a channels.conf |
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cmdln: |
i just scanned with myth |
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cmdln: |
then i fixed the channel map there |
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Dagmar: |
joesuffceren: No, I'd say from your statement that you've either spent too much time listening to salespersons, or you think you've read enough |
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Dagmar: |
Component > s-video, not because of any comparative lack of signal loss, but because component can carry higher than 480 resolution video and S-video can not. |
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antgel: |
joesuffceren: i don't know how much the converter is, but HDTVs are getting cheaper all the time, is it worth investing in a converter that will become obsolete sooner rather than later? |
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Dagmar: |
Either your set can display 720/1080, or you're basically wasting your time with component video. |
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cmdln: |
So im not seeing what the best way to move my channel data is being that its only stored int the database |
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cmdln: |
unless there is a script somewhere to generate a channels.conf from the db |
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Dagmar: |
Just dump the table that has your channel data |
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cmdln: |
which table is it |
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cmdln: |
i see several with channel in the name |
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Dagmar: |
The wiki probably knows. |
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Dagmar: |
Or dump them all |
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DaveLib: |
hello i am hera asking on behalf of my friend who is a Linux newbie. He just installed Ubuntu and in there just installed mythtv |
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DaveLib: |
he started mythtv on his pc and got a window in the upper left quarter screen with a menu watch tv shutdown etc but everything is frozen |
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AndyCap: |
video driver problems? |
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cmdln: |
kill the myth process maybe |
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DaveLib: |
his computer is locked up he can't make mouse or keyboard do anythin |
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cmdln: |
can you ssh into it? |
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DaveLib: |
yes i have been trying to giver him instructions overr the phone to kill it |
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iamlindoro: |
handling one-on-one support is hard enough, your friend should really kill the myth process or reboot, then join the channel themselves |
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DaveLib: |
we dont have ssh conifgured he only installed ubuntu 2 days ago |
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iamlindoro: |
IRC->person->phone->person is just not going to work with a program as complicated as Myth |
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cmdln: |
hard reboot then |
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cmdln: |
donst seem you have much choice |
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DaveLib: |
ok firsdt step is to kill it the process |
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DaveLib: |
he tried reboot and it just returned to mythtv |
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DaveLib: |
maybe that is gnome session management doing that |
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DaveLib: |
in top we found a process called mythbackend |
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DaveLib: |
is there a mythtv process ? |
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iamlindoro: |
mythfrontend is presumably what you are looking for |
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DaveLib: |
ah thanks |
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DaveLib: |
if we find mythfrontend should we start by killing that ? |
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iamlindoro: |
how are you managing this if the system is locked, with no SSH? |
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DaveLib: |
my friends system is locked at his house |
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DaveLib: |
i am at my house on my pc doing this irc |
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iamlindoro: |
re-reead the question |
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DaveLib: |
and i talk to him on the phone about what to type in |
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iamlindoro: |
if the system is locked, you can't do top, or anything else |
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iamlindoro: |
meaning if he's typing anything, the system isn't locked |
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DaveLib: |
ahh we could do ctrl-alt-F1 |
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DaveLib: |
that worked |
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iamlindoro: |
Then the process is hung, the system isn't locked |
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DaveLib: |
we got |
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DaveLib: |
yes ok |
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iamlindoro: |
killal mythfrontend |
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iamlindoro: |
er killall -9 mythfrontend |
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DaveLib: |
but in VT 7 keyboard and mouse are locked i meant to say |
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DaveLib: |
thanks iamlindro |
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cmdln: |
even after killing the myth process? |
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DaveLib: |
we didn't manage to kill it yet |
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iamlindoro: |
once the process is killed, your friend needs to login to the channel themselves |
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Dagmar: |
That's because your friend isn't smart enough to type what you're telling him to type. |
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DaveLib: |
we tried to kill mythbackend from inside top and from the shell with kill and kill -9 |
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Dagmar: |
Spell it out for him. Each and every keypress. |
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Dagmar: |
If you can't kill -9 the process, then you get to reboot. |
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DaveLib: |
he launched mythtv from his ordinary user account |
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cmdln: |
ps aux | awk '/myth/ {print $2}' | xargs kill -9 |
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DaveLib: |
reboots didn't stop it i wonder if gnome session management was bringing it back |
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DaveLib: |
thanks cmdln |
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cmdln: |
didnt stop what? |
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cmdln: |
mythfrontend is launching every time he reboots? |
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DaveLib: |
when he rebooted he returned tyo the stuck mythtv window |
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DaveLib: |
or so he told me over the phone |
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Dagmar: |
Yeah you need to go find the people responsible for that distro. |
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cmdln: |
he prolly has mythfrontend set to start on boot |
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cmdln: |
gonna have to stop that |
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DaveLib: |
it is ubuntu |
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Dagmar: |
Right, so perhaps they'll be interested in helping you sort this out over the phone |
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DaveLib: |
and he just installed mythtv today from synaptiv or add and remove software |
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Dagmar: |
What he did to his install is not a mythtv problem |
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DaveLib: |
when he launches mythtv as ordinary user will those processes be owned by his user account or something else ? |
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DaveLib: |
we had trouble killing mythbackend so i was wondering if something else owned them |
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Dagmar: |
I'm sure the #Ubuntu people will be very happy to help. |
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DaveLib: |
thanks Dagmar |
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DaveLib: |
is mythtv intended to be used to watch tv on the cpmputer monitor or just on main tv screens atached to the computer ? |
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iamlindoro: |
DaveLib, Myth isn't a "watching TV" software, it's a full DVR and media system |
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iamlindoro: |
meanind while it is possible to watch television with it, if all your friend wants to do is watch live TV, it is absolutely the wrong choice |
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DaveLib: |
thanks iamlindoro |
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Dagmar: |
MythTV is bad for you |
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DaveLib: |
:) |
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Dagmar: |
I could be doing something useful for society right now, but instead I'm watching Qt compile. |
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anenigma_: |
that is useful for society :P |
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Dagmar: |
...because society desperately needs more electricity converted into heat? |
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Dagmar: |
I don't think the Athlon 64 4600+ is going to help measurably against the cold snap. |
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Dagmar: |
o.O -DWTF_USE_JIT_STUB_ARGUMENT_VA_LIST |
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wagnerrp: |
any suggestion on channel i could get some help on multicast? blind '/join'ing doesnt seem to be working |
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Dagmar: |
huh? |
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wagnerrp: |
basically, im trying to have two applications listen to the same multicast address and port... that should be possible right? |
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Dagmar: |
Yeah as far as I know |
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wagnerrp: |
im just getting errors... 'address already in use' |
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Dagmar: |
Oohhh doh |
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Dagmar: |
It may not be possible to do on one machine |
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wagnerrp: |
im writing something in python, but i cant very well ask in #python since ill just get reamed for not using Twisted |
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wagnerrp: |
why even have this perfectly nice socket library if no one is supposed to use it... |
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Dagmar: |
Yeah I'm pretty sure there's something of broader scope I'm overlooking |
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wagnerrp: |
so you can only have one UPNP server active on a given machine? |
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wagnerrp: |
rather, client |
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wagnerrp: |
that doesnt seem right |
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Dagmar: |
Ther emight be a clue here http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0108.3/0803.html |
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Dagmar: |
There's either a socket option for this, or there's osme wholly different way of going about it I've forgotten |
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Dagmar: |
I think it's the former |
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wagnerrp: |
searching around, ive been getting conflicting answers |
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Dagmar: |
I did some screwing aorund with multicast back like, 15+ years ago |
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wagnerrp: |
either, 'no, only one application per port', or 'youre wrong, thats only for tcp traffic' |
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Dagmar: |
No I'm pretty sure there's going to be a way to get around it for UDP |
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Dagmar: |
THat page I linked is from 2001. It's the guy who did a lot of the PCMCIA/wireless stuff, banging on a similar recalcitrant multicast problem |
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tariq: |
hi all, what does "error opening jump program file" indicate, what should i be looking for |
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Dagmar: |
Oh heh. Ther'es also this http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Multicast-HOWTO-6.html |
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wagnerrp: |
tariq: seems to indicate that the file youre trying to open does not exist |
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wagnerrp: |
or otherwise cannot be accessed by your current user or current machine |
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wagnerrp: |
check to see if the recording actually exists |
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wagnerrp: |
if not, check your backend logs to see why the recording failed |
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Dagmar: |
insufficient video signal |
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Dagmar: |
wagnerrp: Yeah, section 6 & 6.1 explains it |
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wagnerrp: |
ok, thanks |
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wagnerrp: |
yeah, the socket syntax in python is almost a complete copy of that in C |
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Dagmar: |
'cuz there's nothing you can do that would ever make that any more (or less) human-readable |
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AndyCap: |
any language which isn't? :P |
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wagnerrp: |
well im sure the idea is that people already know C, why not make the API something that looks familiar |
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Dagmar: |
Because there's very little there that isn't hte name of the option, which is simply an abstraction from an enumerated list, and parens |
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AndyCap: |
s/people/the guy writing the API/ |
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Dagmar: |
It's up to other coders to "extend" things so you wind up with more palatable expressions like "openmydamnsocket(to_that_site, nao_damnit) |
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wagnerrp: |
well thats the idea behind Twisted |
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Dagmar: |
http://code.activestate.com/recipes/425975/ |
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wagnerrp: |
but then you end up with an elephant of a library just to access some simple functions |
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Dagmar: |
Of course |
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Dagmar: |
That's the whole point of python |
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Dagmar: |
All the complexity and overhead of C, without the loathesomely small resource allocation of a compiled app |
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Dagmar: |
Damn Qt is still compiling |
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AndyCap: |
you were saying? :P |
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Dagmar: |
No you don't know the half of it man |
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Dagmar: |
Once this test run is done, I have to take apart the package, look for anything amiss, and then do it all over again. |
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wagnerrp: |
yeah, Qt takes a good couple hours to build on my systems |
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Dagmar: |
Somehow I don't think I'm getting the new Myth binaries up and running tonight |
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wagnerrp: |
-fixes or trunk? |
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Raygu: |
does the mythtv-frontend really need an mysql database? cause i won't install the mysql server on my notebook |
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cmdln: |
Raygu: it needs to connect to a database |
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wagnerrp: |
Raygu: mythtv runs one single database |
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wagnerrp: |
used for all frontends, backends, jobqueues, transcodes, commflags, etc.... |
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cmdln: |
Raygu: you can install a backend on another box |
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Raygu: |
yes |
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Dagmar: |
wagnerrp: Doens't really matter which branch until Qt is done cooking, but you know I don't run trunk |
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wagnerrp: |
only one machine needs to install and run the database |
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Raygu: |
the backend is on another box |
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Raygu: |
with an mysql database |
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AndyCap: |
Raygu: and the frontend needs to talk to the same database. |
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Raygu: |
ahh |
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cmdln: |
Raygu: then just install the frontend |
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Raygu: |
thanks :) |
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Dagmar: |
Raygu: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
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wagnerrp: |
Dagmar: well if you were running trunk, i was going to suggest holding off for a couple days, since the OSD branch just got merged in |
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iamlindoro: |
wagnerrp, not merged |
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iamlindoro: |
he resynced with trunk |
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wagnerrp: |
oh, nevermind then |
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Dagmar: |
wagnerrp: Considering that I broke my TV last night it matters even less. |
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wagnerrp: |
Raygu: technically, there is no 'frontend only' build for mythtv, so if youre running a frontend-only package, thats something your distro has cooked up |
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wagnerrp: |
and the only reason to do such a thing is to remove dependencies such as the mysql server |
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Dagmar: |
...and to make problems for other people. |
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AndyCap: |
wagnerrp: I thought Raygu was done 3 minutes ago and problem solved. |
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tariq: |
Dagmar: if i wasnt trying to play a recording and trying to watch tv, then what would that error indicate? |
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wagnerrp: |
tariq: watching livetv is nothing more than watching a recording happening right now |
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wagnerrp: |
either way, you end up with a big file on the hard drive |
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tariq: |
aha so thats the concept |
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tariq: |
ok so how could that file not exist? |
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wagnerrp: |
because the recording has failed |
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wagnerrp: |
you failed to tune to the channel, your tuner card is broken, the drivers are messed up, you misconfigured something in mythtv, the list of reasons goes on |
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wagnerrp: |
check your backend logs at the time of failure for more information |
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tariq: |
ok will do |
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syamajala: |
got my pvr-150 in the mail yesterday |
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robbins61: |
Any lirc geniuses around? |
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[R]: |
do you have an actual question? |
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robbins61: |
oh you! |
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robbins61: |
yeah, i do. I can't get my remote working in karmic |
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[R]: |
lol |
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[R]: |
very descriptive |
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robbins61: |
it goes through and recognizes everything |
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[R]: |
"it"? |
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robbins61: |
my remote lights up, as does the receiver, but i get nothing in IRW |
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robbins61: |
ummm it = the lirc setup tool in ubuntu |
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[R]: |
and if you run lircd with the no daemon option and look at its output when you use irw... |
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robbins61: |
how do i run lircd with no daemon? |
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[R]: |
you could start by reading its man page |
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[R]: |
i know... its a crazy idea |
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robbins61: |
-n |
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robbins61: |
[R], you want to see this pastebin? |
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[R]: |
no... let me guess it |
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** Dagmar puts five bucks on "no" ** |
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** [R] puts his tv on espn ** |
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[R]: |
oh wait... thats not gonna help me figure out what it said |
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robbins61: |
http://pastebin.ca/1744897 |
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[R]: |
and you wonder why it doesn't work |
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robbins61: |
yes...that's why i'm here. |
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[R]: |
well you could... you know... fix your broken config |
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robbins61: |
i saw that |
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robbins61: |
is there a generic one that i can grab or something? |
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[R]: |
there is no such thing as a generic config |
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[R]: |
thats why you had to make one |
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robbins61: |
i did no such thing |
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robbins61: |
not by hand anyway |
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robbins61: |
one may have been generated |
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[R]: |
s/may/was/ |
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robbins61: |
alright, i'm passed the config problem now |
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robbins61: |
still getting that could not get file information for /dev/lirc |
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