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Friday, January 8th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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TauPan:

key's 'm' in live-tv playback

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cc:

@wagnerrp: the script brings me an "SyntaxError: invalid syntax" on the rec.title line... is there a special format for the title? i change it correctly with case sensitiv

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Dagmar:

Sounds to me like you've gone and set up some playback profile which is failing utterly

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Dagmar:

LIke, if the video was recorded properly, it indicates whether or not it's interlaced or progressive content

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Dagmar:

There is nothing to detect.

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TauPan:

I record from my analog tv card.

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TauPan:

with mythtv

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Dagmar:

So you've got interlaced content and your deinterlacer choice is failing horribly

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TauPan:

ok, so what do I do?

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Dagmar:

Look into playback profiles, probably delete them all, or make one that makes some sense

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Dagmar:

Preferably one that does not rely on the functionality (or lack thereof) of the ATI video driver to do deinterlacing.

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Dagmar:

The ones that are in there by default, like CPU+ and so forth, are meant to be suggestions that most of the time work

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Dagmar:

They are generally suboptimal for everyone

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Dagmar:

s/generally/equally/;

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TauPan:

ah... typical problem...I should have known... if I use a gl renderer, it works... Xv is no good with the fglrx driver.

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TauPan:

Dagmar: thanks for your help!

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Dagmar:

Yes, the ATI driver is full of broken

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TauPan:

indeed

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TauPan:

I'm thinking of switching to the open source drivers soon, it looks like they should support all I need by now.

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cc:

@wagnerrp: i found the problem. there was a missing : after the if statement in the script

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TauPan:

is it possible to use a different renderer for fullscreen and a resized window?

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beata:

anyone know why im getting this error on jamu.py svn a couple days ago

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beata:

File "./jamu.py", line 6399, in processMythTvMetaData

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beata:

if not len(self.config['localpaths']['posters']):

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beata:

KeyError: 'posters'

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iamlindoro:

TVDB has been down for days

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beata:

works here

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RDV_Linux:

beata: Jamu has not been changed in trunk for many weeks, Check the Jamu version you using with ./jamu -v

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iamlindoro:

API has been down for like five days

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iamlindoro:

it may have come back online today, but that was not a couple days ago

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beata:

was just looking at the www site

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beata:

got ya

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iamlindoro:

the site is not the same as the API

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beata:

understandale

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wagnerrp:

cc: yeah, i always seem to be leaving those off

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: thats all CG?

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cc:

@wagnerrp: the script selects the right episodes, but something is wrong with the delete when i uncomment it

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cc:

Traceback (most recent call last):

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cc:

File "./delete.python", line 15, in <module>

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cc:

be.deleteRecording(rec)

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cc:

File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MythTV/MythTV.py", line 364, in deleteRecording

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cc:

return self.backendCommand(BACKEND_SEP.join([command,program.toString()]))

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cc:

File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MythTV/MythTV.py", line 968, in toString

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cc:

string += BACKEND_SEP + locale.format("%0.6f" %self.stars)

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cc:

TypeError: format() takes at least 2 arguments (1 given)

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wagnerrp:

heh... yeah.... youre runing a old version of the bindings

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TauPan:

Ah, I think I found a combination that works for me, now.

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wagnerrp:

that last '%' is supposed to be a ','

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wagnerrp:

grab a new copy off http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . dings/python

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wagnerrp:

then just 'python setup.py install'

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cc:

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wagnerrp:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22797

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wagnerrp:

my fault on that one

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cc:

ah ok

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cc:

File "./delete.python", line 15

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cc:

be.deleteRecording(rec)

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cc:

^

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cc:

IndentationError: unindent does not match any outer indentation level

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cc:

after patching the /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/MythTV/MythTV.py script

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wagnerrp:

python code structure is based off intents, that line must be indented to the same column as the line above it

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cc:

oh sorry, i am new in python :-/

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wagnerrp:

so in that for loop, the first line after the start of the loop must be indented past where the for loop is

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wagnerrp:

and each subsequent line in that loop must be at the same indent

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Dagmar:

Welcome to Fortran-2010

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wagnerrp:

kind of... fortran just had specific meaning for the first seven characters

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wagnerrp:

and that hasnt been required since f90

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cc:

UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xf6' in position 70: ordinal not in range(128)

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wagnerrp:

yep... unicode... you have fun with that

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cc:

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Dagmar:

Suuuure there isn't

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wagnerrp:

try item five in http://mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu#This_stupid_thing_does_not_work.21

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cc:

Titel: <<King of Queens (2009-07–16 15:06:32)>> is the output of my added print 'Titel: <<%s>>' % (rec)

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Dagmar:

rofl

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Dagmar:

I <3 that URL

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cc:

:-)

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wagnerrp:

i may need to put an '.encode("utf-8")' into that '.toString()' function

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wagnerrp:

basically, utf and python is a messy prospect at best

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: that looks too damn good to be computer generated

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wagnerrp:

of course he did screw up at 8m in, the blades are spinning backwards

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: are you starting up a schema version for NetVision?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, think I'm at 1004 right now

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iamlindoro:

so I guess that's "yes" :)

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wagnerrp:

ok, im just tweaking the various classes so you basically cannot use anything canned in the bindings without checking schema version

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wagnerrp:

what settings value is that?

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Captain_Murdoch:

Dagmar, when I download that mp4 file and play it in mplayer, it says it is in 1280x720 h264/aac, isn't that high enough?

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Captain_Murdoch:

~200 MegaBytes

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, NetvisionDBSchemaVer

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** sphery wonders if Netvision has 20/20 **

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sphery:

What's up with 4 out of 5 *buntu users getting "the file for this recording cannot be found"

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** skd5aner must be the 1/5 that doesn't **

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skd5aner:

unless my tuner goes whacky, but that's rare anymore

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sphery:

heh, that's good to hear, at least

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sphery:

are you on 9.10?

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kc:

sphery, I saw an e-mail that one of the mythbuntu maintainers opened a new ticket in myth for that segfault issue I had. 7830 is a dupe of 7779

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sphery:

kc: thanks... I close the dup

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cc:

@wagnerrp: thank you very much for your help, i will try the utf8 thing tomorrow

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wagnerrp:

what line and file was that error in?

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cc:

ciao

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wagnerrp:

was it when trying to print the title/subtitle? or was it in toString()?

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cc:

in the be.deleteRecording(rec)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that was in toString

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wagnerrp:

something *i* need to fix

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cal_:

are there more themes anywhere for mythtv .22 yet, other than the default ones?

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wagnerrp:

theres blue-abstract, there are unfinished ports of metallurgy and mepo, and then there are several other unfinished and unreleased themes

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wagnerrp:

expect several more in by the end of the month

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cal_:

yeah, from the contest

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cal_:

maybe I will just wait till then

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cal_:

where are the ones you mentioned?

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wagnerrp:

blue-abstract has a path on the wiki, the other two ive seen show up in the mailing list

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cal_:

ok

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sphery:

wagnerrp: btw, there /is/ a way to force Myth to run with wrong schema versions without any code changes/recompiling/... I want to make it work like you said it works, but someone added the code to allow people to force it to work with wrong schema version shortly after I added code to prevent that.

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sphery:

Oh, and I won't tell how to do so (as it's better if no one knows :)

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wagnerrp:

override it with '-O <whatever>'?

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cal_:

blue abstract looks pretty sweet wagner

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wagnerrp:

tell $blue_abstract_author

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cal_:

whats your theme of choice right now? ;)

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Polydwarf:

I've got a sound card question that's probably been asked/solved before, but my googlefu is weak tonight... I'm running straight ubuntu 9.10 (not mythbuntu) with myth installed via apt... mythfrontend just loves to lock the sound card (for instance, if i'm running mplayer <mp3 file>, as soon as I start mythfrontend, mplayer essentially pauses; huludesktop also will not play audio if mythfrontend is running). Any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

right now, im just using graphite (16:9) on one tv, mythcenter (4:3) on the other

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wagnerrp:

i actually havent been using my frontends directly much in the last couple months, besides commercial cutting

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wagnerrp:

Polydwarf: thats because huludesktop is designed for ubuntu, which uses pulseaudio

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sphery:

wagnerrp: no, not exactly (but it does relate to a setting)

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wagnerrp:

however pulseaudio gets disabled whenever mythfrontend is running

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sphery:

basically there's a setting that you can use to tell myth you're smarter than it is

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wagnerrp:

heh

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sphery:

though if you were smarter than Myth, you'd know to never /ever/ use that setting :)

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cal_:

wagnerrp: not using the front ends? you just play your recordings with mplayer or what? lol

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wagnerrp:

well technically, all you have to do with the bindings is change one number in one file

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Polydwarf:

hulu's just an example.. myth doesn't play nicely with mplayer and the rest. I'm pretty much an idiot when it comes to pulse; ;am I looking at a source build with some options?

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wagnerrp:

cal_: no, on windows with http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7858

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wagnerrp:

Polydwarf: mythtv and pulseaudio dont play nice

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cal_:

wagnerrp said windows

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Polydwarf:

hmm.. I'm going to be a sad panda if I have to switch distros. :(

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anenigma_:

Polydwarf: all your regular ubuntu packages use pulseaudio. myth stops/disables pulseaudio when it starts. hence all your music stops

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wagnerrp:

so until mythtv gets proper (stable) pulseaudio support, or pulseaudio gets proper (not hackish) alsa emulation, external programs are going to suffer

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Polydwarf:

hrm. I see... so, given that ubuntu is apparently a bad choice for distro, what's a better one?

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sphery:

all your music are belong to us

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Polydwarf:

lol

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wagnerrp:

ubuntu/mythbuntu work just fine if youre using mythtv

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wagnerrp:

its only a problem if you try to call external programs

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wagnerrp:

specifically, external programs designed to use pulse for output

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to using alsa

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Polydwarf:

right; but using external programs is now a household requirement. :) Hulu is one example. :)

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Polydwarf:

maybe I'll bite the bullet and try fedora if it doesn't use pulse

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wagnerrp:

so iamlindoro, how can you __know__ the cable companies wont start using AACS?

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** iamlindoro groans **

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iamlindoro:

That guy

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sphery:

How can you handle watching Hulu's poor-quality, jumpy, jerky video (due to the fact that it's built around Adobe Trash) when you're used to MythTV and all it's high-quality, smooth, easy-to-control, skips-commercials-automatically, allows-timestretch, doesn't-play-a-new-commercial-every-time-you-rewind-to-catch-what-they-just-mumb led, ... glory???

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sphery:

Polydwarf: default Fedora uses Pulse, too

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Polydwarf:

frankly, hulu has shows that aren't shown on network. Content is king and all that.

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Polydwarf:

ugh.. that makes me sad, sphery. :(

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clever:

sphery: is it posible to watch hulu without mythbrowser?

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wagnerrp:

Polydwarf: are you saying you dont have a four year backlog of recordings?

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Polydwarf:

it's only 2.5 years of backlog ;)

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Polydwarf:

I know, I'm not doing it right.

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wagnerrp:

clever: not (legally) without a partnership with Hulu

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sphery:

clever: actually, you can--just use Firefox or Konq or ...

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clever:

wagnerrp: ah, i was looking at ripping the .flv out but it refused to even play, so i had no example to go by

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sphery:

:D

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clever:

sphery: without using flash

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sphery:

not legally

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wagnerrp:

thats because there is no .flv

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clever:

sphery: even just downloading the .flv and playing it in mplayer makes it use 1% the cpu power it normaly did

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wagnerrp:

its streamed, encrypted, and only cached in memory rather than being written to disk

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wagnerrp:

theres nothing to rip out

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

i generaly see the raw .flv url right in the html

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sphery:

all of the "grab the video stream from <insert site>" stuff is in violation of ToS and in some cases may be in violation of laws

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clever:

or in my proxy logs

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wagnerrp:

see all the discussions about boxee and rtmpe

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sphery:

In the US, at least, it /is/ a violation of copyright law to grab those

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Polydwarf:

that, sphery, and it tends to break at the drop of a hat.

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clever:

sphery: some of the time, its as simple as viewing the source and doing cut/paste on the right part

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sphery:

Polydwarf: that, too

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clever:

right to wget

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clever:

is that also illegal?

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wagnerrp:

well its at least a violation of TOS

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sphery:

well, you haven't been given a license to copy it to hard disk, so...

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clever:

ah

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iamlindoro:

If only someone would write a plugin that would allow for viewing these kinds of sites within their terms of service

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iamlindoro:

alas

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Polydwarf:

last I knew, it was a legal grey area; the providers don't want you doing it, but they also essentially hand it to you on a silver platter (in the case of the easy-wget-method)

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clever:

in my case, flash makes firefox unstable and sucks so much power that the framerates suck

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sphery:

might be able to argue that if you kept it in a pipeline and it never touched the drive... but you'd have to stump up your own legal fund to make that argument :)

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wagnerrp:

s/write/release/...

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wagnerrp:

:P

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, yeah yeah, working on it

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clever:

iamlindoro: i remember there being a youtube plugin which made heavy use of the rss feeds for canned searches

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clever:

for mythtv

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, If I thought it wouldn't be a fulltime job to handle support requests if I released now, I would

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: now that the official format is out, do you want the output from those grabbers to be fully processed? or would a minidom object be sufficient?

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clever:

sphery: yeah, i could easily throw the flv url directly at mplayer, then it would only risk touching swap

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clever:

sphery: but i was a baaad boy, wget ....{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}.., ripped the entire set of videos in one batch:P

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sphery:

clever: agreed about Flash/Firefox. I don't enable Flash or Java in Firefox (and set it up so it doesn't ask me to enable them) and then I have a ~/.mozilla/home-plugins which has its own .mozilla dir with the plugins installed. Then, when I have to use Flash for something, I start up with: export HOME=${HOME}/.mozilla/home-plugins && firefox -no-remote

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anenigma_:

Polydwarf: have you tried disabling pulseaudio in ubuntu? might be easier than switching distros. i don't have an ubuntu install handy, but apparently it's via system->preferences->sound and then selecting alsa

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clever:

sphery: i just disable flash in the addons menu

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sphery:

personally, I can't wait until Hulu goes subscription only

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wagnerrp:

anenigma_: mythtv automatically disabled pulseaudio, and thats the problem

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wagnerrp:

apparently huludesktop relies on pulseaudio to output audio

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anenigma_:

wagnerrp: yes, i meant if he disables it completely, and lets everything run through alsa

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clever:

sphery: also, you dont need export there, just 'HOME=${HOME}/.mozilla/home-plugins firefox -no-remote'

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iamlindoro:

clever, You have been around way, way too long not to know better about our channel rules. So consider this your one and only warning, ever, about violating terms of service/illegitimate aqcuisition of videos

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clever:

sphery: that export will basicaly fry the shell and make it unusable for the old home

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anenigma_:

that is, assuming hulu and whatever else also works with regular alsa

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sphery:

clever: yeah, never knew whether any other processes would be started, so I figured it's just as easy

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sphery:

done in a subshell, it doesn't even affect my term :)

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Polydwarf:

anenigma, no I haven't; I'll give it a shot, though. Thanks for the idea (I honestly wouldn't have thought that you could disable it in the first place)

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clever:

sphery: ah

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sphery:

I may try it your way to see if I notice issues

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sphery:

(after all, learning is always worth the time :)

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clever:

if you give env variables as NAME=data program, then it will effect only that program

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Let me get back to you when I update jamu and mirobridge to use the new bindings. I have one more wiki page to create and then will be doing the bindings work. I may be able to give you a better reply at that point.

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sphery:

clever: oh, and please no confessions in here or I may have to sic the channel police on you :)

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clever:

sphery: i know, and lets just say it was all free videos

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wagnerrp:

ok, minidom it is for now

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wagnerrp:

let me know if you change your mind

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sphery:

clever: still not licensed to own the videos... basically we don't want to know

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wagnerrp:

clever: assuming youre using bash

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, i always use bash

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clever:

if the system isnt bash by default, then i manualy run bash

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anenigma_:

whenever i get a new shell (ie at a new job) my first step is always copy over my .bashrc and my .vimrc files

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clever:

anenigma_: yeah, i often copy a few lines of my bashrc over to new installs

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clever:

vimrc is more of a black box

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clever:

still dont have it working the same everywhere

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clever:

each one indents differently

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clever:

i mainly fix it by sharing $HOME via nfs to every box in the house

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anenigma_:

that's easy at home, not so easy at work though :)

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

also not easy on a personal laptop at hotel

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clever:

nfs doesnt like dialup :P

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clever:

and that mount point is part of PATH, so that then cripples the entire box

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wagnerrp:

huh... minidom isnt like that xml example on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

complaining about the '=' in the youtube URL

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wagnerrp:

s/isnt/doesnt/

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beata:

anyway to use mythweb video w/out storage groups? I cant use sg yet, becase then i cant play them with mplayer

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, equals doesn't bother the Qt XML parser, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's right/ok either

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iamlindoro:

beata, .22 MythWeb only supports non-SG. Trunk only supports SG.

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beata:

hm so i could revert mythweb

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iamlindoro:

not without reverting all of Myth

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wagnerrp:

are you running trunk?

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beata:

yea

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beata:

hmm wonder when mplayer is gona work in trunk for sg, what is the ticket for that. I was looking for it but could not find it

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iamlindoro:

there is none

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iamlindoro:

since it's not a bug

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iamlindoro:

just a feature people want that's not implemented

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iamlindoro:

and even when ISOs work in SG, it's quite likely external players won't

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sphery:

Most annoying change from T-bird 2.x -> 3.x: when a new message comes in to a thread and your folder is in thread view sorted by date, the whole thread is moved to the most current side (top/bottom). That means for all the broken threads on -users, I read some random response from the middle before reading the real thread.

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beata:

iamlindoro hmmm

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wagnerrp:

speaking of which, #7875 should be able to handle if you can pass the URI to the command line

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wagnerrp:

although it currently wont do anything for VIDEO_TS folders

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wesw02:

I know this isn't really the topic for the channel, but there doesn't seem to be much going on in here. I'm looking for an IR remote/receiver with a small external _reciever_ (similar to IR Blaster size, but a reciever) so it isn't very noticable. Does anyone have a suggestion?

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wesw02:

Most of the ones I've found are rather large

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wagnerrp:

wesw02: the one that comes with the hauppauge cards is not much larger

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anenigma_:

beata: my solution is a wrapper script. mount your sg on whatever the local box is, and then some regex can pull out a filename, and sg, and do appropriate translations

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anenigma_:

it's nasty, but it works

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wagnerrp:

http://www.terrington.id.au/linux/my-set-top- . . . pauge-ir.jpg

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wesw02:

I actually have one of those, however the tuner card is in my backend in the basement

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wesw02:

can I buy a usb device to use it without the card?

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wagnerrp:

not that i know of

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wagnerrp:

do you have an existing ir reciver?

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anenigma_:

i wonder if you can extend those cables. as in, how long can you make the hauppauge cable before the stuff stops working

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wagnerrp:

you could cut a notch out of a 3.5" bay cover, or somewhere else on the front of your case

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wagnerrp:

and mount your receiver behind it

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beata:

anenigma_ is it online somwhere?

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wesw02:

I have one, but I broke the ir sensor it trying to unsolder it from the circuit

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[R]:

why am i not surprised?

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[R]:

Hmm, no-one popped up yet to banish this discussion to /dev/null for discussing DRM and how it could **theoretically** be circumvented ?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: no, theyve poped up several times

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wesw02:

wagnerrp that's not a bad option

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[R]:

i havent seen any yet...but i still have 100 messages

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wagnerrp:

people dont take a hint

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anenigma_:

beata: my script i can pastebin, one tic

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beata:

thx

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anenigma_:

beata: http://pastebin.org/72328

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anenigma_:

if you know perl, it's relatively straightforward

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beata:

not a huge fan, but i can muddle through. where do you put the script?

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beata:

ah

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beata:

the player

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beata:

good idea btw

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anenigma_:

regex is my hammer, i use it to fix/break everything

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wagnerrp:

anyone who calls regexs 'straightforward' should be slapped

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wagnerrp:

:)

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anenigma_:

well .. the perl part is straightforward. the regex is slightly more complex :P

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beata:

yea

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beata:

regex can hurt my head

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[R]:

i once learned the theory behind regexes

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[R]:

i wanted to gouge my eyes out

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[R]:

which is probably why i dropped out of my compilers class

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puff:

Hi, I need a little help tweaking my mythtv config.

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puff:

I was using this with a TV via S-video out, but we replaced that TV with an HD and we need to get HD out hardware.

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puff:

Meanwhile, I'd like to just watch some stuff on an LCD monitor, but X goes blank after mythtv starts up,probably switching on s-video out.

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[R]:

did you set myth to switch video modes?

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[R]:

disable that

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puff:

[R]: How do I do that iwth the screen blank? :-)

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puff:

Is there a way I can do that from a terminal console?

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puff:

Er, console terminal.

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[R]:

you can edit the database

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[R]:

although beats me if i know what all the things you need to change

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mattjackets:

anyone know why mythmusic 0.22 wouldn't be reading id3v1 tags? (ubuntu 9.10, some files only have id3v1 tags)

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r0ut3:

Is there any way to record cable Digital/HD chanles on a MythTV/Linux pc?

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mattjackets:

(looks like the ubuntu package may be from fixes r22594)

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mattjackets:

r0ut3: if your HD box has a firewire port, it may be possible

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r0ut3:

There aren't any tuner cards that I can get for my computer?

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Polydwarf:

r0ut3, you can also look at getting a hauppauge hdpvr

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wagnerrp:

r0ut3: check on silicondust.com, they have channel lineups searchable by zip code of what you can expect to get unencrypted over digital cable

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Polydwarf:

if you're talking about just over-the-air atsc signal, there are plenty of cards/usb sticks to do it

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wagnerrp:

anything encrypted, and youre going to have to use analog capture, and for HD your only option is an HDPVR

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mattjackets:

some providers may broadcast some channels in the clear via QAM as well (over cable)

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r0ut3:

Bummer, so there is nothing like this for linux yet? http://www.cetoncorp.com/products.php

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wagnerrp:

s/yet/ever/

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r0ut3:

Why never?

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wagnerrp:

cablecard requires that the content remain encrypted from the capturecard all the way to the display device

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wagnerrp:

its part of the licensing agreement

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wagnerrp:

such a thing can never happen in open source software

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wagnerrp:

DRM and open source are mutually exclusive

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r0ut3:

Bummer guess I have to look at windows media center. Thanks for the input everyone!

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clever:

wagnerrp: and no way to replay that encrypted stuff to a display device layeter?

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puff:

clever: Some cable boxes have firewire out, I plan to look into that.

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clever:

puff: yeah, i have firewire on my HD box, but so far i havent gotten a single channel out

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[R]:

firewire will get you nothing, or at the most locals

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clever:

just channel changing

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puff:

clever: In a nutshell, premium cable content is transmitted in encrypted form, to decrypt it you need the key, the key is in the cable box.

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[R]:

puff: s/premium/99%/

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clever:

puff: yeah, but shouldnt a cablecard also have the key, if your cableco offers it?

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clever:

[R]: i cant even get the tv guide channel or the other local channels for the area

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puff:

[R]: "premium" meaning "not the channels they're forced by law to provide in open format".

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[R]:

clever: why would you get the tv guide channel? tahts kind pointless

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puff:

"required" meaning "when the law is actually enforced."

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clever:

[R]: its one of the most simple channels that you would have no reason to 5c encrypt

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[R]:

clever: to use a cablecard... you need a tuner capable of using it... and there are no linux compabile tuners

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puff:

clever: A cable card offered by the cable company? I hadn't heard of that option.

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lucas007:

What is the best capture card to use with MythTV? anyone?

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[R]:

clever: they have no reason to 5c anything... that doenst stop them

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puff:

lucas007: Friends speak highly of the HD Home Run.

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[R]:

lucas007: depends on what you are capturing

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puff:

lucas007: It's basically a network appliance, captures and serves the video over ethernet.

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lucas007:

Dishnetwork.

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clever:

[R]: i'll have to check the more random channels and verify the local ones

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[R]:

do you wnt to capture sd or hd from it?

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lucas007:

sorry hd.

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[R]:

the only way to capture hd from a box is with an hdpvr

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Polydwarf:

I've heard good things about hdhomerun too, but it seems kind of expensive, compared to usb sticks/etc

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[R]:

Polydwarf: its dual tuner and you dont ahve to screw around with stupid drivers

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lucas007:

k thanks hdpvr..

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puff:

[R]: Also easier on your system load, IRRC.

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[R]:

but last i heard there was still none to be found

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[R]:

ANYWHERE

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Polydwarf:

my hauppauge usb stick worked out of the box in ubuntu, no driver fiddling needed..?

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clever:

Polydwarf: the ubuntu admins fiddled with it for you, and made the defaults sane

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clever:

but they havent done that for every card

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[R]:

puff: capturing a digital stream isn't exactly the most processor intensive action one can do

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Polydwarf:

'k, different experience based on distro, then :)

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clever:

[R]: but usb itself might be

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puff:

clever: Anyway, the general point is, you need the key to decrypt, so unless you break the law or have more money than God and Donald Trump in order to acquire the cable company, you need to use their device with the key built in, and then capture off that device's output.

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clever:

puff: yeah

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clever:

ive also noticed that the on demand channels are on clear QAM

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puff:

Really? Cool.

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clever:

and i'm not even paying for on demand

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clever:

i'm spying on the neighors:P

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[R]:

lol

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puff:

I'd had thoughts about having my mythtv record the on-demand stuff (and I *am* paying for it :-).

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clever:

with my cable co, its 93.1 thru 93.10

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[R]:

puff: well thats pretty tricky

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puff:

[R]: Dang, I was afraid you'd say that.

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clever:

with a single capture card, i could rip 10 oe

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clever:

once

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[R]:

i thought myth had a limit of like 4 or something

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clever:

[R]: its a card limit, and its 1 multiplex per tuner

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clever:

the on demand is 10 feeds of 480i

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[R]:

no... when setting up the multirec

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clever:

so it fits in a single multiplex it seems

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[R]:

i thought there was a limit of like 4

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clever:

ah

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clever:

myth probly wont like on demand anyways

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[R]:

like?

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clever:

id just capture that with an external tool

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puff:

Anybody have suggestions re: swithcing back to output to the LCD screen?

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clever:

the time the show comes on at is under your control

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clever:

no schedules to put a rule on

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[R]:

so? you can watch livetv

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[R]:

or set up a custom schedule

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puff:

I despise on-demand.

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clever:

[R]: you would have to work out how long to make the custom schedule ahead of time

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puff:

Comcast's implementation, that is. It is truly lame.

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clever:

easyer to just punch in a cli command to record

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clever:

and ctrl+c at the end

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[R]:

clever: well if you know what you are gonna watch...

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[R]:

puff: pretty sure everyone's is

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clever:

still more work id think

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** puff wishes the DRMdiots would just get over it and switch to open standards, already. **

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puff:

Or at the very least that they'd make it easier for open devices to use their services legally.

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dayer4b:

hello

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[R]:

puff: it'll never happen

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dayer4b:

i am lacking much knowledge

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dayer4b:

i am a newbie

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dayer4b:

and i need help

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[R]:

dayer4b: well step one is to tell us your problem instsed of saying "i need help"

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dayer4b:

does anybody know anything about installing the DViCO FusionHDTV7 on Fedora 10?

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clever:

puff: if an open source device can decode the file, then i can cut&paste the code and convert it to mp3

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[R]:

i'm sure google does

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clever:

puff: enless it incoperates a black box of magic, like a cable card or SIM card

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puff:

clever: See, this is why DRM is fundamentally stupid.

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dayer4b:

i've followed the directions (correctly, i think) on this page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DViCO_FusionHDTV7_Dual_Express

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clever:

something that cant be duplicated but needs to exist for all playback

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dayer4b:

but mythtv doesn't see the card

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puff:

clever: If the user can perceive the information, then the user can record the information.

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puff:

clever: Everything else is just hand-waving.

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dayer4b:

i don't think the card's installed correctly

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clever:

puff: you know how a SIM card works?

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[R]:

dayer4b: if you dont know how to put a card in your computer...

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clever:

puff: the cell tower sends you a block of random data, the SIM card encrypts it with a key you cant read, and you return the new 'random garbage'

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puff:

clever: If it were not (inappropriately, IMHO) illegal, blowing right through DRM would be a solved propblem. Instead, in order to not break laws, I have to deal with their crap.

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dayer4b:

there doesn't seem to be anything at /dev/video0

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clever:

puff: the remote end knows the key, and can verify the math your SIM card did

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clever:

and without the SIM card you cant negotiate the session

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[R]:

dayer4b: who said there was going to be a /dev/video0?

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puff:

clever: Sounds like a standard zero-knowledge-transfer authentication.

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clever:

puff: you could have a private key that you 'own' which you must have to decrypt the music files, then you have to manualy shuffle the card between the mp3 player and computers

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lucas007:

thanks for the input puff,clever and ...

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clever:

only the device with the card can play the files

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clever:

but you still have the problem of blocking capture of the output

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puff:

God, I hate it when people use DIVs to fake frames.

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clever:

.innerHTML on it?

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puff:

clever: Well that's my point, ultimately you cannot share knowledge and not share it.

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clever:

puff: the only thing i can think of, is to include the decoding and DAC in that chip

[03:36:12]

puff:

clever: It's self-contradicting. All of these schemes founder on that basic fact.

[03:36:19]

clever:

so it outputs raw analog signals

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RDV_Linux:

beata: The issue you reported with jamu is a bug. You have turned on a seldom used option in your jamu.conf file. You can stop this jamu abort by commenting out the folderart' option or setting the value to 'False'. This functionality has been made redundant by MythVideo. This code will be removed for the 0.23 release.

[03:36:32]

puff:

clever: Even then, the analog signals can be captured.

[03:36:55]

clever:

puff: yeah, but if i take your totaly closed source mp3 player, i can just hook it to 'line in' on my pc and do the same thing

[03:37:02]

puff:

clever: The legal consequences (which I believe to be unconstitutional, but...) are what stops most people from just rolling over this crap.

[03:37:15]

clever:

analog capture cant be stopped as easily, but comes at the cost of quality

[03:37:31]

clever:

most of this is to stop you from getting a clean digital copy

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puff:

Anybody know *anything* about mythtv command line interface?

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[R]:

puff: what command line interface

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clever:

puff: telnet?

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puff:

[R]: Shell commands.

[03:38:37]

puff:

non-X.

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[R]:

puff: huh?

[03:38:55]

clever:

puff: myth cant really be configured from cli

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clever:

mythweb is about the closest you can get, and it cant do everything

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puff:

My basic problem is that it boots up, runs mythtv, then switches to S-video out mode. I no longer have an s-video out device.

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clever:

thats not myth

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clever:

thats Xorg problems

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puff:

Is there some way to interrupt the mythtv startup so it odesn't go into s-video out?

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Dagmar:

It's not Myth. It's how you've set up your video card.

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[R]:

clever: btw... it looks like i get the tv guide channel on unencrypted qam

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iamlindoro:

puff, Myth doesn't have any control of which video output is used

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puff:

To rephrase... it boots up, displays the mythtv splash/loading screen, then goes blank.

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clever:

[R]: mine is NTSC and multicast in 480i digital (encrypted)

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iamlindoro:

MythTV splash, or *mythbuntu* splash?

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iamlindoro:

ie the progress bar, or *actual* MythTV?

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[R]:

mythbuntu doesnt have a progress bar

[03:42:48]

iamlindoro:

[R], The boot process does

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puff:

Ah,mythbuntu. Okay.

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[R]:

iamlindoro: not in 9.10

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iamlindoro:

puff, So which screen are you seeing? The boot process, or do you actually see Myth proper start and then it blanks out?

[03:43:55]

puff:

I see the mythbuntu splash screen.

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iamlindoro:

Then as Dagmar and I mentioned, it's an X configuration issue

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iamlindoro:

puff, nVidia drivers?

[03:45:06]

puff:

Yup.

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iamlindoro:

puff, if so, ssh in and do the following

[03:45:16]

puff:

I'm in.

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iamlindoro:

cd /etc/X11/

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iamlindoro:

sudo mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.backup

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iamlindoro:

make sure only the DVI or HDMI is plugged in, then

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iamlindoro:

sudo nvidia-xconfig

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puff:

Okay.

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iamlindoro:

then reboot

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puff:

Says "WARNING: Unable to locate/open X configuraoitn file.

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iamlindoro:

that's fine, it should write a "fresh" one

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clever:

yeah, you hid the file

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puff:

"sh: pkg-config not found\nNew X configuraiton file written to /etc/X11/xorg.conf"

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iamlindoro:

puff, which if you ls you shoudl now see

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puff:

Cool.

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puff:

Yay, it appeared to reboot twice, the second time it didn't shut off the LCD screen.

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puff:

Muchos grassyass.

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iamlindoro:

you are welcome

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puff:

I feel like there's some doc, somewhere, that I have missed reading. Is there a book or something that people recommend?

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iamlindoro:

The wiki and the official docs are the best and most accurate resource

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[R]:

3.2gb for 31 minutes

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[R]:

i didn't think QAM had that high of a bitrate

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iamlindoro:

yep, and that's not even max

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[R]:

25.8mbits

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[R]:

wow

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puff:

Hm, there's no audio on the headphone jack.

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[R]:

whats full bitrate over ATSC?

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iamlindoro:

Well, 3.2 for 30 Minutes isn't 25.8 Mbit

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iamlindoro:

not even close

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[R]:

did i do the math right?

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[R]:

not right*

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iamlindoro:

nope

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iamlindoro:

3.2 is about 13–14

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[R]:

3388598668 * 8

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[R]:

no?

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[R]:

oh wait... i forgot to figure in the time

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[R]:

14.5

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[R]:

that's better

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[R]:

13.8...

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k_ross:

so is it a known limitation of the HD-PVR that VBR doesn't really work as advertised?

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[R]:

how do you think its working... and how do you think its supposed to work?

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k_ross:

pushing all the controls to the right should result in 13.5 Mbps average VBR, but really results in a little more than 7 Mbps

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wagnerrp:

thats because its just using some quantizer that the firmware thinks will result in 13.5mbps

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k_ross:

moving the right slider to below 13.5 results in 13.5 Mbps CBR, and my file sizes results in something like 14.1 Mbps

[04:24:11]

wagnerrp:

thats 13.5mbps h264, plus your audio track, and whatever overhead the TS container has

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k_ross:

moving the max bitrate below the avg bitrate results in CBR just like it should, and quite counter-intuitively, results in better video quality

[04:25:40]

[R]:

why would you think CBR should be less quality?

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k_ross:

i'm happy for the boost in video quality i got, but it just seems when you ask for 13.5 Mbps avg VBR, that's what you should get, not 7 Mbps

[04:26:03]

wagnerrp:

well for a given average bitrate, it will be

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k_ross:

[R]: moving the bitrate sliders lower would make one think it will result in less quality :)

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[R]:

k_ross: except the max it can do is 13.5

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[R]:

and when you are doing vbr

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[R]:

you're not getting a constant 13

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k_ross:

then why does the max bitrate go up to 20.2?

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[R]:

with cbr 13, you are getting constant

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k_ross:

regardless, i'm happier than i was yesterday :)

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[R]:

someone tried explaining that to me

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[R]:

i dindt really absorb it

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[R]:

because i know constant 13.5 is better than average 13

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[R]:

.5

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k_ross:

except now my file sizes are just about double what they were before

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[R]:

and this surprises you?

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wagnerrp:

k_ross: so buy more hard drives, or re-encode

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wagnerrp:

going to cost you about the same either way

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wagnerrp:

(actually the hard drives will be roughly twice as much, but neither will be cheap)

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k_ross:

i plan on buying more drives. currently have 5 x 1TB in raid 5

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wagnerrp:

hopefully not for recording

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k_ross:

recording, live tv, myth video, everything

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k_ross:

but not the mysql database

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wagnerrp:

recordings generally do better on independent drives

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k_ross:

haven't noticed any problems related to drive throughput yet

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wagnerrp:

well the problem is that mythtv frequently flushes data to disk

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wagnerrp:

so with multiple recordings, you get a ton of 1–2MB fragments

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k_ross:

i read about an XFS mount option that lets it allocate files 500 MB at a time, which i use

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wagnerrp:

although to be honest, that should be made optional

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k_ross:

i also run xfs_fsr nightly on cron

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clever:

k_ross: yeah i tried to use that mount option, but i didnt format the disk right so it didnt work

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wagnerrp:

it only existed so that frontends which accessed recordings over NFS would have recent files, without worrying about memory cache on the backend

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wagnerrp:

but with mythproto, thats a non-issue

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k_ross:

i access recordings over NFS

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wagnerrp:

what for?

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clever:

wagnerrp: streaming a live file over nfs causes many problems

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clever:

each time you update the last-mod stamp, the client side cache is cleared

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k_ross:

that's just how i set it up before i knew different

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clever:

causing the read-ahead buffer to go to waste and consume more bandwidth/cpu to recover

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wagnerrp:

you just unmount the recordings, and myth continues on like nothing ever happened

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k_ross:

plus i have a slave backend that writes its recordings over NFS to the master backend where all the storage is

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clever:

ive only noticed it on systems that can bearly handle playback, but it is there

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k_ross:

hmm, i'll try that.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you cant record to storage group

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wagnerrp:

all the code is there, it just needs some glue

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clever:

k_ross: there is a option in mythtv-setup, always stream from backend

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clever:

that has the same effect as umount

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wagnerrp:

the device selection code needs to be added to mythproto writes, and the recording routines need to be tweaked

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cal_:

in mythbrowser, f1 doesn't seem to work for me.. doesn't give full control to the web page. any ideas?

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k_ross:

wagnerrp and clever: setting it to stream from backend is working well so far :)

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k_ross:

often, bringing up the guide while watching live tv would cause the video to stutter or pause, seems smooth now

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k_ross:

oops never mind, on the 10th try it got the pause again

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k_ross:

clever: your comment about that mount option not working had me worried, so i went and checked two recordings that were recording at the same time. using xfs_bmap, it shows 6 extents on the 1st recording and 7 on the 2nd, so it seems to be working

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clever:

k_ross: by not working, i mean you cant write to the files at all

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k_ross:

oh!

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clever:

they are permantly stuck at 0 bytes in size

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k_ross:

i thought you just meant it ignored the option

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clever:

you need to allocate part of the filesystem for use with those fat blocks

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clever:

and if you didnt do that at format time, the special area is already out of space

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clever:

so you cant ever write to the files

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k_ross:

i didn't

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k_ross:

didn't know about it until a couple weeks ago

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clever:

maybe i did something wrong with the options

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k_ross:

but i formatted six months ago

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k_ross:

actually closer to a year, now that i think about it

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k_ross:

sheesh time flies

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro, RDV_Linux: i figured out why minidom was choking on the XML on the wiki.... see http://www.microshell.com/programming/php/xml-and-ampersand/

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k_ross:

since we mentioned more hard drives, i'm looking at a new case to hold everything. i currently have a regular tower case, with a 3-in-5 drive cage, which i really like. i'm thinking of getting a second one of those, and a case with enough 5.25" spots to hold it

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k_ross:

it looks like Cooler Master makes good, inexpensive cases that fit the bill

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wagnerrp:

k_ross: if youre buying another box, why not grab a rackmount

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k_ross:

thought about that

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k_ross:

not that i have a rack to mount it into. i could just set it on top of a desk...

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wagnerrp:

theres no difference between a tower and a 4U chassis

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wagnerrp:

let me find the case...

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k_ross:

i thought about those supermicro chassis that have something like 20 hot swappable drive bays

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wagnerrp:

here we go... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219031

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k_ross:

those look nice

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wagnerrp:

same thing as the supermicro stuff, but a lot cheaper

[05:00:01]

wagnerrp:

a couple people in here have those norco boxes

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wagnerrp:

i would only suggest that if youve got somewhere out of the way to shove it, it wont be quiet

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Maybe I am not getting your point but as it says in the MNV grabber wiki page all '&' characters must be changed to '&' strings.

[05:01:39]

wagnerrp:

well crap... thats two hours wasted

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k_ross:

right, very similar. but for a lot less money i can get a second 3-in-5 cage, and a cheap tower case to shove it in

[05:01:51]

wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: see the first XML example, the youtube one

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, He's complaining because your script isn't doing so :)

[05:02:07]

k_ross:

but i keep looking at those supermicro and norco cases, mostly for the cool factor :)

[05:02:52]

k_ross:

hmm, how much you think i could get on ebay for my 3-in-5 cage to offset the price of the norco?

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, we're getting away with it right now because I'm doing a double-check conversion in the code

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wagnerrp:

they usually sell for ~$100 new, not sure what ebay prices would be

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cal_:

this is still an issue? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7363 I am experiencing it on my system

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wagnerrp:

yeah, all the examples on that page have un-escaped ampersands

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iamlindoro:

cal_, is the ticket closed? If not, then yes

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cal_:

:)

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I am confused as all the grabbers change '&' characters '&' for at least titles, descriptions and URLs. Did some field slip through and in which grabber?

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, URL, youtube

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: all the examples on the MNV grabber format page have un-escaped ampersands

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iamlindoro:

HAHAHA

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iamlindoro:

it's the wiki

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iamlindoro:

wiki translated it back

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iamlindoro:

look at the source

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wagnerrp:

bugger...

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wagnerrp:

two hours... COMPLETELY wasted

[05:07:59]

wagnerrp:

ignore my complaints, nothing to see here, move along

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Right here is a real URL "http://www.youtube.com/v/R_7GVIDcOMs?f=videos . . . play=1"

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, see above

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wagnerrp:

its in a 'pre' tag, that means NO FORMATTING, why is it formatting?

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iamlindoro:

dunno, tried to fix it with a <code> tag and it still formatted

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wagnerrp:

unless is it the browser that is doing so?

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achandra:

Hi guys, im seeing a very strange issue when using iso's for video. I dont have any video groups set as recommended, and i rip a dvd into myth. In non file browse mode, I cant play the iso's but can play the most recent one i ripped. Otherwise, if i do enable browse mode, all the metadata related background and info disappears with a "?" and I can play the file. Any ideas?

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RDV_Linux:

RDV_Linux: I had assumed that anything a code block would not change it back

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wagnerrp:

talking to yourself now?

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mag0o:

at least he's not responding

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RDV_Linux:

It reduces arguments and I get more compliments;)

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wagnerrp:

achandra: in browse mode, its working directly off the file system... no database, no metadata

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k_ross:

it's okay to talk to yourself. it's even okay to answer. just don't talk to yourself and then say "huh?"

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achandra:

wagnrerp, i see. It complains in non-browse mode about /dev/dvd not being found...except for most recent ripped iso. Any ideas whats going on there?

[05:13:49]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I should have known as I had to add "<code>&amp;</code>" to get the '&' to display properly.

[05:14:09]

wagnerrp:

thats just not right...

[05:14:15]

wagnerrp:

you shouldnt have to do that

[05:15:04]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: How did this issue get you to waste 2 hrs?

[05:15:26]

wagnerrp:

trying to figure out a way i could process that xml

[05:15:37]

wagnerrp:

python was choking on it

[05:15:46]

RDV_Linux:

aah

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, FWIW I spent more time than that figuring out that we needed to escape them in the first place when writing the grabber spec

[05:16:00]

wagnerrp:

but since it was indexing off the start of the text, rather than the start of the line

[05:16:08]

wagnerrp:

it just magically fell on a '='

[05:16:23]

wagnerrp:

so i was tracking down the wrong problem

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: if i process this, would you prefer it be some structured format similar to the XML file? or would you rather have something flat like they would be in the database?

[05:41:36]

RDV_Linux:

Probably flat like in the data base. All I was going to do was sort/filter on specific fields like title and description. Then I would recreate RSS video "item" metadata with the sorted or filtered records to out put to MVN.

[05:43:06]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: There may be some slight advantage in getting a structure for the final output but I do not see a large advantage.

[05:44:34]

wagnerrp:

well im thinking i just give you DBDataWrite objects that you can decide whether or not you want to push them into the database

[05:45:06]

wagnerrp:

or you want this to function as a aggregator that gets called like normal?

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wagnerrp:

ill just leave it as a minidom for now

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wagnerrp:

anenigma_: looking at this script, it looks like its returning a URI for SG videos?

[06:01:03]

wagnerrp:

(the one you pastebinned)

[06:03:19]

wagnerrp:

anyway, RDV_Linux... i just put up another copy of the bindings on trac

[06:03:51]

wagnerrp:

it has searchXML and searchTree, which return minidom objects

[06:04:21]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Ok will start using them in a day or two. thanks

[06:04:28]

wagnerrp:

and theres also a grabberList staticmethod in the class, which returns a list of all available grabbers in the database

[06:04:55]

wagnerrp:

staticmethod means you would call it directly like NetVisionGrabber.grabberList()

[06:05:10]

wagnerrp:

it just returns a list of NetVisionGrabber objects

[06:05:22]

wagnerrp:

or tuple of, rather

[06:05:33]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: cool

[06:11:24]

anenigma_:

wagnerrp: it's basically returning the lsat part of the URI for SG videos. iirc (been a while since i wrote that script), it takes anything of the form [word]://[word]@[wordorIPaddress]/file/path and just returns the "/file/path" bit

[06:11:50]

metalac:

how does one add channel information to ATSC channels if over the air stuff is very poor or non-existant?

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[R]:

metalac: channel information?

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metalac:

[R]: program description and such

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[R]:

schedules direct

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squidly:

what does MediaRenderer::HttpServer Create Error

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squidly:

mean

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squidly:

and why does it cause my frontend to hang

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[R]:

whenb does it sy that?

[06:13:08]

squidly:

when I start up mythfrontend

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[R]:

is another one running?

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squidly:

that would be it

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wagnerrp:

anenigma_: ok, ive got a fusefs program that takes the URI, and mounts it as a single file in a folder

[06:13:59]

squidly:

thanks

[06:14:05]

wagnerrp:

so basically, that could be dropped in place

[06:15:55]

metalac:

[R]: schedules direct doesn't pickup all digital streams though

[06:16:26]

[R]:

metalac: well tahts what your option is... no data or what sd has

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metalac:

damn

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anenigma_:

wagnerrp: neat. yeah this hack was written in like 5minutes, just a quick "fuck gotta fix it fast or get yelled at" approach

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iamlindoro:

anenigma_, channel is a profanity-free-zone

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metalac:

[R]: nevermind looks like SC has my antenna broadcast as lineup as well :)

[06:21:19]

metalac:

thanks

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[R]:

lol

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jst_home:

jpabq: yt?

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jpabq:

jst_home, yeah?

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jst_home:

jpabq: hey there, and happy new year!

[06:27:59]

jpabq:

Thanks!

[06:28:27]

jpabq:

Ready for Christmas yet?

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jst_home:

jpabq: yeah, right! :)

[06:30:07]

jst_home:

I've been seeing this audio oddness with my HDPVR recordings and I was wondering if you've seen anything similar, given our similar setups...

[06:30:43]

jst_home:

jpabq: I basically get audio glitches, short pauses, once every maybe 15 minutes or so

[06:30:57]

jst_home:

doesn't seem to be at a regular interval, but something like that...

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jst_home:

jpabq: sound familiar?

[06:31:26]

jpabq:

I have rare audio-drop outs, with 1080i material, but otherwise it is solid. If I stick to 720p I don't seem to have any at all.

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jst_home:

jpabq: hmm, ok... I think I see them mostly with 720p, but I think I've seen them with 1080 as well...

[06:32:19]

jst_home:

maybe my particular rev of the HDPVR then...

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jpabq:

David Engel, however, has pretty much concluded that 99% of his HD-PVR problems are because of audio glitches from his STB.

[06:32:51]

jst_home:

oh, interesting...

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jpabq:

David ended up ditching the S/PDIF and going RCA to make his HD-PVR usable. He is willing to give up DD5.1 to get stability.

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jst_home:

jpabq: so I never used to watch tv here before I started playing with myth... but my wife says she never heard them with our DirecTV DVR, but that doesn't mean they weren't there I guess

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jst_home:

I may ditch 5.1 for a while then too to test out that theory...

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jpabq:

My H20 and H21 don't seem to cause me any problems. But, David also concluded that certain channels were more likely to cause a problem than others. David is on Dish.

[06:35:33]

jst_home:

jpabq: I'll also be buying one more HDPVR here sometime, maybe I'll have better luck with that one

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wagnerrp:

anenigma_: also, please dont use pastebin.org, lots 'o popups

[06:35:45]

wagnerrp:

they even manage to get them through on firefox

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jst_home:

heh, that's funny, I wrote that popup blocker years and years ago :)

[06:37:04]

jst_home:

it needs updating :)

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wagnerrp:

full screen crap, with rewritten 'close' functions

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wagnerrp:

i need to install noscript

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jst_home:

that'll do it

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jst_home:

kindof a big hammer tho

[06:37:41]

jpabq:

jst_home, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/409442

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jst_home:

jpabq: hmm, odd... I'm subscribed to mythtv-users, but I've totally never seen that thread

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anenigma_:

wagnerrp: oh. didn't realise, nothing popped up for me.

[06:40:30]

jpabq:

jst_home, may not be your problem, but it is probably worth reading.

[06:40:41]

jst_home:

yeah, for sure

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wagnerrp:

pastebin.com, pastebin.ca, mythtv.pastebin.ca, the python guys like paste.pacoo.org for some reason

[06:41:05]

wagnerrp:

paste.pocoo.org

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jpabq:

jst_home, good luck. I am off to bed. I will check back log in the morning.

[06:42:28]

jst_home:

jpabq: ok, thanks, gives me something to experiment with next time I tear my entertainment center into pieces :) Might be a little while

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jst_home:

jpabq: at least I know I'm not alone

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jst_home:

jpabq: have a good night

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jpabq:

jst_home, I seem to be blessed with my HD-PVR setup. If I had the problems others report, I would be very irritated.

[06:44:39]

jst_home:

jpabq: good for you! I'm generally happy too, but some times this audio thing gets to be annoying

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Gumby:

hi all, I was hoping someone in here might have a clue.. I am trying to setup mythtv to use lirc and it keeps giving me a connection refused error. Anyone have any idea what I might have done wrong? Permissions on /dev/lircd are the same as the user who is running mythtv

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octavsly:

Gumby: After starting irw, do you see any codes after pressing the remote keys?

[08:42:38]

Gumby:

octavsly: yes. irw works. just mythtv says connection refused

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octavsly:

did you try running the mythtv as a different user>

[08:43:27]

Gumby:

I have no different use but I can try sudo.. one sec

[08:43:30]

octavsly:

Gumby: and in the lates version of mythtv 0.22 you can select the lirc device. Did you check is that's correct?

[08:43:47]

Gumby:

octavsly: I checked the DB and made a change

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Gumby:

before that it wasnt even detecting it

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Gumby:

even as sudo it fails

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octavsly:

what is teh error?

[08:45:13]

octavsly:

BTW, in my case /dev/lirc0 is the device and not /dev/lircd

[08:45:24]

octavsly:

it might also be /dev/lirc/<something>

[08:47:16]

Gumby:

what is in your DB for your remote?

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octavsly:

let me check

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Gumby:

select * from settings where value like '%lirc%';

[08:48:41]

Gumby:

ah, I think I got it

[08:49:01]

Gumby:

the howto I read said to chmod 666

[08:49:07]

Gumby:

I decided to just chmod 777

[08:49:12]

Gumby:

seems to have worked

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octavsly:

Gumby: OK

[08:52:41]

puff:

Hm, I'm having a problem getting sound.

[08:53:03]

puff:

I'm using mythbuntu, but nobody's awake on #ubuntu-mythtv. Any suggestions?

[08:53:53]

Gumby:

puff: you can try removing pulseaudio thats caused a lot of people a lot of issues but I dont know how it is currently. Also, perhaps check alsamixer

[08:54:06]

octavsly:

Gumby: mines are rw-rw-rw

[08:55:12]

Gumby:

octavsly: weird, just changed mine back to 666 and it works now

[08:55:14]

Gumby:

hrm..

[08:55:54]

puff:

I get system beeps (e.g. ctrl-G) from the onboard speaker, but nothing through the headphone jack.

[08:56:34]

octavsly:

puff: does you sound works in other applications?

[08:56:38]

puff:

I checked alsamixer and it seemed several channels were MM, which I believe means muted. Changed them and also upped the volume.

[08:57:04]

puff:

octavsly: I don't have any other apps on this machine... I guess I could try installing amarok, or something.

[08:57:06]

octavsly:

puff: like mplayer

[09:00:32]

puff:

hm, how about vlc?

[09:00:39]

puff:

Oh, there's mplayer, one sec.

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superm1:

Gumby, what makes you think pulseaudio is even on the system?

[09:01:56]

superm1:

it's not in mythbuntu installs. it's only in installs of ubuntu that people add myth* onto

[09:02:21]

superm1:

puff, it's possible that your card simply has a bug

[09:02:53]

superm1:

puff, if after unmuting all mixers it still doesn't work, try installing the linux-backports package for alsa

[09:03:01]

superm1:

i forget it's exact name, but you should be able to find it in synaptic

[09:03:16]

superm1:

it contains an updated ALSA so it may help your bug

[09:03:36]

puff:

Okay, tried mplayer, it said "AO [pulse] Failed to connect to server: internal error"

[09:03:41]

Gumby:

superm1: oh right, you said you were using mythbuntu. You are correct, mythbuntu doesnt use pulseaudio. Vanilla Ubuntu however does

[09:04:11]

superm1:

Gumby, i dont have the problem, puff does. i just wanted to make sure you were aware that mythbuntu doesn't use pulse

[09:04:12]

Gumby:

orr sorry.. puff said he was using mythbuntu

[09:04:14]

superm1:

yeah

[09:04:36]

superm1:

puff, mplayer tries pulse and falls back to alsa with the default config from the repos

[09:04:50]

superm1:

your best test tool is really something like aplay

[09:05:01]

superm1:

aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav

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Gumby:

hehe, my mce remote turns on my electric fireplace if I press buttons fast enough

[09:05:37]

puff:

Oksy,will try aplay.

[09:07:00]

puff:

aplay runs, no sound on any of the three jacks.

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octavsly:

puff: then it is time to look in /var/log/messages

[09:09:46]

octavsly:

puff: I am not sure anymore but you may try alsaconf to configure your sound device

[09:11:19]

puff:

fgrep shows now occurrence of "sound" or "audio" or "alsa" in /var/log/messages. Tailing /var/log/messages and running "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav" causes no output to /var/log/messages. dmesg also has no occurrence of sound, alsa or audio.

[09:12:36]

puff:

No alsaconf... /usr/bin/alsamixer and /sbin/alsactl.

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octavsly:

puff: try $> lsmod | grep snd

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octavsly:

puff: what does it say?

[09:14:31]

puff:

Typing "$> lsmod | grep snd" and "sudo $> lsmod | grep snd" both say permission denied.

[09:14:40]

puff:

sudo lsmod | grep snd Gives me about 20 lines of output.

[09:15:04]

octavsly:

looks like the sound card is there but not configured, or the levels are muted

[09:15:11]

puff:

is $> supposed to be the shell prompt, or some sort of STDERR redirect?

[09:15:15]

octavsly:

yes

[09:15:21]

octavsly:

sory for the confusion

[09:16:31]

puff:

there are no volume controls (that I can find) on the desktop.

[09:16:32]

superm1:

dude honestly if it's a bug with the driver, try the new version before you go through much other trouble

[09:16:39]

superm1:

that's why the new version is available in the repos

[09:16:41]

puff:

superm1: Yeah.... sigh.

[09:17:52]

superm1:

puff, not sigh, "apt-get install linux-backports-modules-alsa-karmic-generic", reboot try it again

[09:18:07]

superm1:

if it doesn't work, then you at least have tried the latest version and can file a bug indicating so

[09:18:13]

superm1:

that's the first thing that upstream ALSA would ask for anyway

[09:21:23]

puff:

Okay, well first thing I gotta do is find a cat5 cable so I can get this box connected

[09:21:33]

puff:

And then try installing the backports.

[09:21:49]

puff:

Thanks for the help. I'll check in tomorrow with a report on how it turns out.

[09:21:53]

superm1:

k good luck

[09:22:02]

puff:

G'night.

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Dubstar_04:

iamlindoro: I have just seen the mythnetvision wiki, tres bon!! have you released the plugin yet?

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Dubstar_04:

iamlindoro: never mind i just read the mailing list! sorry!!

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justinh:

think I'll be popping to B&Q at lunchtime. Plan to buy materials to build a sledge :-)

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Dubstar_04:

justinh: where are you going sledging?

[10:37:47]

justinh:

we have a very steep hill very close to where I live

[10:37:55]

justinh:

already well compacted & icy

[10:38:28]

justinh:

plus there are loads of parks with good hills nearby too :)

[10:38:31]

Dubstar_04:

plus theres more snow on the way!!

[10:38:44]

justinh:

doesn't need to be. this stuff ain't going anywhere fast

[10:39:01]

Dubstar_04:

are you still at daresbury?

[10:39:12]

justinh:

yeah there's not much here but at home.. whew

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Dubstar_04:

im starting my new job just down the express way soon!!

[10:40:01]

justinh:

cool

[10:40:22]

Dubstar_04:

not sledging related but now you know.

[10:40:26]

justinh:

http://tweetphoto.com/8057630 :D

[10:40:58]

Dubstar_04:

i saw that the other day

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justinh:

made that on Tuesday with what the BBC weather site called 'light snow'

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Dubstar_04:

that must of tahen ages

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justinh:

4 inches light?!

[10:41:25]

justinh:

nah a couple of hours

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justinh:

20 mins of that was getting the main snowball back into the garden

[10:41:49]

justinh:

it wouldn't fit through the gate lol

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Dubstar_04:

a load of chavs down the road built a 10' monster, its a shame thats the most productive thing they will do all year!

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justinh:

heheh

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justinh:

I was looking online for sledges last night. Everywhere that normally sells em are out of stock, even up to the models costing hundreds of quid

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Dubstar_04:

just push a kid if theirs...

[10:45:10]

Dubstar_04:

of theirs?

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justinh:

I remember when I was a kid we all had those crap plastic ones. My dad found an old wooden one somewhere. Its runners were rusted but once we cleaned them up it *flew* compared to the plastic ones

[10:46:36]

justinh:

must be the difference in the contact surface area or something

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ivor:

indeed the runners work more like ice skates

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justinh:

pity we don't yet have a kid I can use as an excuse :D

[10:47:37]

justinh:

so I'll have to just admit it's for me

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Dubstar_04:

it all depends on the density of the snow for which type is best

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justinh:

proper runners work well on all kinds

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Dubstar_04:

not if the snow is too light

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justinh:

true but it's at least 2 inch thick packed snow now

[10:52:32]

justinh:

anyway, it's something to do innit

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ivor:

surely its the time of year to be inside in the warmth coding....

[10:53:29]

justinh:

with the right clothing it needn't be cold outside :)

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Dubstar_04:

I am doing house work waiting for my new dvd drive to come then i can actually watch my lovefilm rentals

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ivor:

justinh: spent the night wrangling with ffmpeg but still couldnt sort out the HD soundtrack.

[10:58:26]

ivor:

googling seems like a common problem with lots of suggested fixes. none of which seemed to work.

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Gumby:

Hi all. I am using a Genpix Skywalker to get 8psk channels. I get a bit of stuttering and some motion blur even when using vdpau. Could changing to a different deinterlacer help this? I do see a fair amount of "NVP(2): prebuffering pause" in the mythfrontend log.

[11:02:26]

justinh:

ivor: which stream is the real audio track according to ffmpeg -i ?

[11:02:44]

ivor:

0.19 is the ac3

[11:02:58]

justinh:

is that the first audio stream?

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ivor:

nope. thats the problem. the first audio stream is the mp3 narrative track.

[11:03:35]

justinh:

IIRC stuarta was thinking about better PID filtering at one point so we could strip the crap out as we record

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ivor:

http://pastebin.com/m4dee7928

[11:04:28]

ivor:

pid filtering would be cool.

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justinh:

is that what myth is recording?

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ivor:

yup. thats HD DVB-S

[11:05:12]

justinh:

that's a lot of junk :)

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justinh:

the AD stream is stereo? eeew

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ivor:

thanks. :)

[11:06:07]

justinh:

complicates my idea of filtering AD out on the fly

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justinh:

I've ocnsidered hacking the existing filtering to strip out mono audio & subtitles. they just waste space here

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justinh:

but having seen that ffmpeg output it's clear that it'll take a lot more thinking about to do it right

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ivor:

havent found any tools that'll manipulate it either. ffmpeg is producing crap. and all the dvb tools choke on the h264 stream.

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justinh:

wonder if freesat are doing anything fancy to identify the streams. IIRC the spec stipulates the streams be marked

[11:11:02]

justinh:

using ffmpeg from their trunk?

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ivor:

yup

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ivor:

naturally. :)

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justinh:

figured you might be :)

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justinh:

is that BBC HD btw?

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ivor:

yup.

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justinh:

ahh NAR is 'narration' not AD

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ivor:

I've got a growing collection of recordings with narrative audio. :)

[11:16:07]

ivor:

"interesting" but not ideal. :)

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justinh:

seen a digitalspy post which says mencoder might do it

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ivor:

it didnt

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ivor:

:)

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justinh:

so is ffmpeg producing complete garbage or just something the ps3 can't play?

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ivor:

its refusing to produce a usable file.

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ivor:

creating a ts, its marking the video as mpeg2.

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justinh:

hex editor? ;-)

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justinh:

wonder if you need to specifically tell it to make h.264

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ivor:

indeed. I was hoping to find a simple incantation to run to fix them, without spending days hacking.

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justinh:

-vcodec h264 ?

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Gumby:

hrm, oddly enough I found less jitteryness and motion blur when using ffmpeg as compared to vdpau. Is this common?

[11:28:34]

justinh:

ivor: maybe -vtag options would help

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justinh:

you seen http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/376832 no doubt...

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AndyCap:

ivor: tsmuxer?

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GreyFoxx:

[6~

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** justinh waves to GreyFoxx's cat **

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Easy_Rider9999:

Hallo has anybody succeded in repairde MythtV Idle detection with these scripts: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/150732 I alway get Errors when running these scripts....

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justinh:

uhhhhh whut?

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justinh:

ohhhh

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justinh:

no, I'm not a tree hugger :)

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rambo3:

Hey-a-hey-a-hey-a-hey-a

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rambo3:

I am looking for native american translation for mythtv

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bergqvistjl:

hi

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bergqvistjl:

has anybody been having problems playing 720 HD mp4 files using the internal player, specifically slowed down (unlistenbale) audio?

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bergqvistjl:

if so, is there a solution to it, apart from playing in another player (im using the video storage group as it helps keep my metadata more organised)

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bergqvistjl:

im using mythbuntu x64 9.10 with the .23 build

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amidaniel:

Do they play fine in other players? (e.g., mplayer, vlc, ..)

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bergqvistjl:

yes, but as ive switched to using storage groups, they wont play at all in other players.

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bergqvistjl:

be right back

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Spida:

I just upgraded to 0.22-fixes (from 20090105), mythfrontend works, but I get "MasterServerIP or MasterServerPort not found! You mayneed to check your settings.php file or re-run mythtv-setup" in mythweb. the apache-config still has the correct setenv-statements. what else can I do?

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rambo3:

Hey-a-hey-a-hey-a-hey-a

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rambo3:

I am looking for native american translation for mythtv

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Dibblah:

Which native american?

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Dibblah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_Nahuatl?

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Dibblah:

None exists at this time and I would doubt any will.

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justinh:

rambo3: you're always coming in here asking without doubt the most ridiculous questions

[13:22:39]

mzb:

how?

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justinh:

the most frequent one was about a chess plugin

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** mzb goes back to his peace pipe **

[13:24:39]

justinh:

anyway, I got me some nice sturdy plywood & 2 metres of 2mm steel :)

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rambo3:

hi

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ivor:

justinh: wooo. cant wait for the action pics.

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jduggan:

justinh: i went to the darkside, ordered v+ :p

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justinh:

hope it works. then all the kids' laughing at it will be proven wrong ;-)

[13:29:25]

justinh:

jduggan: hope it works :-)

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ivor:

justinh: they;re probably laughing at you not it. :)

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justinh:

heh

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ivor:

"look at grandad and his sledge"

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justinh:

if I finish it tonight & the paint dries in time for tomorrow morning I'll go out early & test it

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ivor:

you;'re going to build something *AND* paint it! wow. I tend to get over excited straight after the build phase. :)

[13:32:27]

justinh:

I probably will too

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justinh:

picture me testing it in the dark & breaking both legs

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jduggan:

justinh: and me, ive done it for sport :|, will let you know how it is when its installed on 21st. Have you ever seen it in action?

[13:33:04]

justinh:

jduggan: no, but I've not heard anything good about it

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jduggan:

justinh: heard bad about it? :D

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justinh:

crashy

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justinh:

it's been a long time since I read much about it but having said that there've not been many software updates since then either

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justinh:

it couldn't be any worse than Sky + I bet

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jduggan:

ive read a few reports of v+ missing recordings

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jduggan:

its scheduler must suck

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jduggan:

:P

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jduggan:

ive never heard of sky+ missing recordings, but ive seen the boxes crash/die and theyre also quite noisey imo

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justinh:

give em their dues the boxes don't have enough RAM for a proper mysql server :D

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justinh:

I used Sky+ at a mate's house a while back. I got up hours before him & wanted to watch something. Couldn't figure out where the hell the recordings were kept for the life of me

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justinh:

turned out they're in the guide. WTF?

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justinh:

guide/planner. ridiculous

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justinh:

btw Dibblah you've no doubt seen this.. any thoughts? http://www.omnima.co.uk/store/catalog/Embedde . . . p-16140.html

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Dibblah:

It doesn't look too bad. Depends what you want it for.

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justinh:

I dunno yet

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Dibblah:

No hardware floating point, so not particularly good for audio.

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Dibblah:

+ you'd have to make the output device.

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justinh:

USB audio devices are dirt cheap

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Dibblah:

Oh, forgot it had USB :)

[13:47:43]

justinh:

could make a cheap network audio thingy

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justinh:

turns out a guy I work with is *heavily* into all this embedded stuff

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justinh:

it's always the quiet ones, it seems

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Dibblah:

Don't expect that CPU to do any more than stereo audio, though.

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justinh:

that'd suit me

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justinh:

heheh http://www.omnima.co.uk/store/catalog/Aviosys . . . p-16150.html

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patdk-wk:

wish it did h264

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patdk-wk:

so I wouldn't have to keep everything in two formats

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justinh:

you don't keep everything :-)

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justinh:

that's the beauty of a DVR. Maybe you have the terms 'DVR' and 'TV archival system' confuzzled ;-)

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patdk-wk:

I keep everything :)

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patdk-wk:

na, I use mythtv as a dvr

[14:11:22]

patdk-wk:

then after a few months they get transcoded and moved to mythvideo :)

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justinh:

god, if we kept everything at home.. we'd have petabytes of soap operas bynow

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patdk-wk:

I have 6tb right now

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AndyCap:

justinh: hence the PVR!

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justinh:

60TB in a year or two

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justinh:

10PB in 5 years

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patdk-wk:

hehe

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justinh:

10000PB in 10 years

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patdk-wk:

I don't watch much tv

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justinh:

it'll never end

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AndyCap:

archiving stuff isn't a huge problem if you don't record crap you don't watch. :)

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zarth:

greetings

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justinh:

it's enough of a time vampire to watch a few shows a week once let alone bother them ever again

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zarth:

can I ask what do the panel think of this: http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=11471 for a myth front end box?

[14:14:16]

AndyCap:

zarth: fail?

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justinh:

FAIL

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justinh:

don't even go there

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zarth:

ahh – why so bad?

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justinh:

if you seriously want SFF, go for ION

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AndyCap:

zarth: via is underpowerd, drivers for the video part are a nightmare?

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justinh:

zarth: because it'll barely be able to decode SDT with its CPU

[14:15:07]

justinh:

SDTV I mean

[14:15:30]

justinh:

I had an epia m10k & even with xvmc it sucked

[14:15:30]

zarth:

so why do these things get sold?

[14:15:40]

justinh:

zarth: for chumps to buy

[14:15:44]

zarth:

there seems to be a 1.5GHz one as well

[14:15:49]

ivor:

justinh: tsk. :)

[14:15:52]

justinh:

forget all about them

[14:15:58]

zarth:

all about what?

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ivor:

you just need to write the drivers.

[14:16:08]

justinh:

for the money you'd be better off with ION

[14:16:16]

zarth:

ok I will look at those, thanks

[14:16:25]

justinh:

epia stuff isn't bad if you can put the time in but for what they cost they're a rip off

[14:16:36]

AndyCap:

zarth: because people get a hardon for tiny computers.

[14:16:42]

ivor:

a fun hobby though.

[14:17:04]

justinh:

ivor: yeah but not when you need a working, reliable frontend for minimal effort

[14:17:28]

** AndyCap is happy with his intel DG45FC. **

[14:17:28]

ivor:

true. is that a consideration for anyone? weird.

[14:17:49]

ivor:

will rock if I can get the h264 stuff going though.

[14:18:09]

justinh:

give my old m10k board its due, it was okay for a good while. but with newer releases of myth it just was unable to play a lot of my recordings without stuttering

[14:18:43]

AndyCap:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . ap&num=1

[14:18:52]

justinh:

if I hadn't become so reliant on minimyth it'd have been a different story but ubuntu had its faults on that system too

[14:19:07]

octavsly:

I agree with the VIA comments

[14:19:18]

octavsly:

I was experiencing with those for 3 years

[14:19:32]

octavsly:

the graphic drivers are not as good with the new xorg

[14:19:50]

octavsly:

I was busy with the fanless one EIPA EN12000

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zarth:

ok, so starting again, is there a good UK supplier of cases that will support my choice of nvidia card and be fairly silent?

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octavsly:

EN12000E ( E fron Eden I think)

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justinh:

mini-itx.com ?

[14:20:35]

AndyCap:

zarth: or seriously consider hiding it somewhere?

[14:20:36]

octavsly:

DO you need TV ? PCI ?

[14:20:43]

justinh:

zarth: if you're planning for forego the optical drive, just hide it :)

[14:20:53]

AndyCap:

USB optical. :P

[14:21:01]

zarth:

justinh I was thinking that very thing

[14:21:07]

justinh:

but then if you're gonna hide it, save your money & just have a big fugly noisy box outside the room

[14:21:27]

AndyCap:

and if you build it right it's probably not that noisy either.

[14:21:31]

octavsly:

VIS was good at one thing... POWER

[14:21:36]

zarth:

I have a secret panel under the hifi cupboard, but it needs a fairly slimline case

[14:21:44]

octavsly:

I have never seen anything at that computing power consuming so less

[14:21:45]

AndyCap:

octavsly: as in very little power. :P

[14:21:58]

justinh:

well obviously if the CPU only sucks 2W it's gonna SUCK

[14:22:05]

AndyCap:

octavsly: no case at all? :P

[14:22:11]

sudo_technician:

good for a UPS

[14:22:15]

octavsly:

I had a mythtv running on it for over one year

[14:22:24]

octavsly:

fanless

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justinh:

most wall warts pull more than that with no load

[14:22:27]

AndyCap:

if you call that running.. :P

[14:22:30]

octavsly:

I could hear only the hard-disk

[14:22:41]

AndyCap:

octavsly: heh, pxe boot

[14:22:42]

patdk-wk:

I kind of like my ssf optiplex frontends

[14:22:47]

ivor:

hard disk? crazy. pxe.

[14:22:58]

justinh:

anything that relies on hardware acceleration is only ever gonna be as useful as the driver allows it

[14:23:04]

ivor:

cough.

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** patdk-wk is getting tired of ltsp pxe, and thinking of doing iscsi pxe **

[14:23:09]

AndyCap:

*cough*broadcom*cough*

[14:23:25]

zarth:

so all the linux unichrome stuff is, erm, shite?

[14:23:26]

ivor:

justinh: indeed. but still. good fun. :)

[14:23:30]

justinh:

that applies to xvmc and vdpau

[14:23:46]

justinh:

zarth: for your money you'd be better going with ion

[14:23:48]

AndyCap:

va-api, whatever-new-api-broadcom-is-pushing

[14:24:03]

ivor:

vaapi is quite nice to work with.

[14:24:03]

patdk-wk:

va-api is vdpau really

[14:24:07]

patdk-wk:

they are compatable

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ivor:

no it isn't

[14:24:27]

justinh:

thought they were similar enough to be inter-pluggable to a degree

[14:24:36]

AndyCap:

but I've seen mention of a vdpau interface to va-api and possibly vice versa

[14:24:38]

ivor:

very different design, goal and structure.

[14:24:52]

patdk-wk:

I though vdpau does va-api plus more

[14:24:55]

ivor:

there is a vdpau wrapper for vaapi so in that sense they interoperate

[14:25:18]

octavsly:

SOme links I was looking at in the past. http://www.asrock.com/nettop/index.asp But they do not have PCI, so I cannot put a TV card in

[14:25:46]

justinh:

octavsly: most tuners won't happily live in a small box anyway

[14:26:02]

octavsly:

justinh: why?

[14:26:03]

AndyCap:

and you only get one or two

[14:26:06]

patdk-wk:

justinh, oh, that was a video server thing, I was thinking client

[14:26:22]

justinh:

octavsly: ummm, power consumption == heat

[14:26:24]

ivor:

justinh: but everyone puts the tuners in the big server in the datacentre?

[14:26:41]

AndyCap:

s/datacentre/closet/ but yes

[14:26:42]

octavsly:

justinh: the problem is the processor

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justinh:

tuner cards generate a significant amount of heat by themselves

[14:27:18]

justinh:

not quite comparable to a CPU but still worth noting

[14:27:19]

octavsly:

in my opinion. The ATOM is not the best but is better, so there some PCI devices might be in

[14:28:01]

octavsly:

justinh: I will search for some power specs of some tuners I have DVB-S/T

[14:28:05]

AndyCap:

zarth: so what do you need in a frontend?

[14:28:27]

justinh:

even 5W in a box with bad airflow is going to cause problems

[14:28:51]

octavsly:

justinh: what temp du you have in mind?

[14:29:06]

octavsly:

nowadys the HD/processors

[14:29:11]

octavsly:

can handle higher temps

[14:29:22]

octavsly:

a HD can go as high as 55

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Dibblah:

Why do you need to

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justinh:

consumer ICs generally don't like high temps

[14:29:35]

Dibblah:

split up your sentences?

[14:29:36]

octavsly:

and VIA can be 70C without a problem

[14:29:52]

AndyCap:

and who cares about the hd or cpu since it is the tunercard that is actually doing useful work.

[14:29:58]

ivor:

Dibblah: very nar

[14:30:02]

octavsly:

correct but PC market is different

[14:30:06]

ivor:

Dibblah: row screen?

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ivor:

IRC as haiku?

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** patdk-wk just like to use cases with 120mm fans at 800rpm or so, nice, quiet, and cools great **

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justinh:

the problem with a lot of tuner cards is they use an analogue capture chip as the PCI interface. those contain thirsty analogue circuitry generally

[14:31:32]

justinh:

a brooktree type video decoder, even doing nothing pulls a bit of power

[14:31:44]

AndyCap:

I see one tuner card specifies 0–35 degrees for operating temperature.

[14:31:49]

AndyCap:

so it doesn't like it hot

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ivor:

justinh: as I discovered building my 16 input cctv capture pc. :)

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justinh:

heh

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octavsly:

justinh: agree but I have not seen problems untill now

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ivor:

on third PSU now.

[14:32:22]

justinh:

nobody ever sees any problems. Until they do :D

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octavsly:

I have a HP D530 I think and I have two TV cards in

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octavsly:

justinh: I am monitoring the temperature and I see no issue

[14:32:50]

justinh:

why do you think I always go for motherboards with 5 PCI slots to house my 3 dvb-t tuner cards?

[14:32:53]

justinh:

;-)

[14:33:07]

justinh:

cuz when they're in adjacent slots.. whoah baby

[14:33:08]

AndyCap:

and linux drivers don't always power stuff down either, from what I saw the kernellabs blog.

[14:33:29]

justinh:

AndyCap: that might be more to do with them never waking up properly again ;-)

[14:33:30]

patdk-wk:

justinh, get a wide case, and install fans in the side :) over the pci/pcie slots

[14:33:51]

AndyCap:

justinh: or not knowing where the switch is since nobody bothered to write it down. :P

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justinh:

I modified the case to have fans in the right place ;-)

[14:34:54]

justinh:

AND space the cards out

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justinh:

no point otherwise

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octavsly:

justinh: how old is your now

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octavsly:

?

[14:35:26]

justinh:

current backend is more than 8 years old

[14:35:37]

octavsly:

justinh: OK quite old

[14:35:39]

patdk-wk:

I just upgraded mine last month

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octavsly:

justinh: mine is 2 yers only

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patdk-wk:

as my last one was 3 years old, and needed rebooting ever 2 weeks :(

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sudo_technician:

Friend wants me to setup security camera's up in a bar

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justinh:

it had a spat where it looked like it was dying, but cleaning the ram contacts has brought it back to life

[14:36:18]

justinh:

sudo_technician: so don't use mythtv. get ZONEMINDER

[14:36:30]

sudo_technician:

will check it out

[14:36:36]

AndyCap:

justinh: but zoneminder doesn't have commercial flagging.

[14:36:43]

justinh:

I went out & bought replacement hardware for it which is currently my (inactive) dev box :)

[14:36:47]

sudo_technician:

no commercials here

[14:36:51]

justinh:

but mythtv isn't a CCTV app

[14:36:55]

justinh:

not even remotely like one

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justinh:

zoneminder IS

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sudo_technician:

need a multi-camera(5–10)

[14:37:20]

patdk-wk:

the only cctv like ability mythtv has is pip

[14:37:23]

justinh:

sudo_technician: ZONEMINDER

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AndyCap:

justinh: it was a joke.

[14:37:50]

justinh:

AndyCap: never underestimate people who venture into this channel ;-)

[14:37:52]

sudo_technician:

wanted to use RG6 instead of cat5e transfer to server

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justinh:

sudo_technician: cat5 is cheaper. use baluns for the analogue video

[14:38:16]

sudo_technician:

any suggestions on a decent Video input card

[14:38:24]

justinh:

sudo_technician: see the ZONEMINDER website

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sudo_technician:

thanks justinh

[14:38:40]

justinh:

there are specialised cards for multiple channel video capture

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sudo_technician:

cool, will check out

[14:39:21]

justinh:

if you want full res full framerate recording across all inputs it might get expensive

[14:39:31]

justinh:

might be cheaper to just buy a box from Taiwan

[14:40:37]

justinh:

FWIW though, CCTV worth having is *expensive*

[14:40:56]

patdk-wk:

cctv with audio is defently nice though

[14:41:18]

justinh:

in terms of evidence & actual usability you need very good quality cameras, very well lit

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patdk-wk:

and I would say atleast 10–15fps

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sudo_technician:

wow, nice suggestion...will most likely be headed in that direction...a motion detection variable is a great feature

[14:41:58]

patdk-wk:

I really hate these 1fps cctv things

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justinh:

patdk-wk: a customer of ours installed a system at a money handling depot. it got raided & we sent a techie down to help extract evidence. Turned out the cash counting area cameras were on 1fps

[14:43:13]

justinh:

and the loading bay cameras had very wide angle lenses which meant nobody could read the vehicle number plates

[14:43:15]

sudo_technician:

if using for a business, any idea on a price for a license

[14:43:18]

patdk-wk:

hardly usable video?

[14:43:24]

patdk-wk:

like only 2 or 3 usable frames?

[14:43:29]

justinh:

patdk-wk: precisely

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justinh:

sudo_technician: zoneminder is GPL

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justinh:

you could even sell boxes using it & not have any fees to pay

[14:44:10]

AndyCap:

sudo_technician: I'm sure they'd appreciate a donation though.

[14:44:24]

sudo_technician:

so no need for a license, just give what you want

[14:44:32]

ivor:

justinh: numptyville cctv installation. when a PC visited to check my cctv once his jaw dropped. :)

[14:44:52]

justinh:

ivor: jaws drop when they see mine too & it's just thrown together

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ivor:

justinh: mutting something unprintable about the systems in the high-street.

[14:45:23]

justinh:

they look puzzled when you tell them they won't be able to see an event from 2 months ago when the cameras were looking the wrong way

[14:45:45]

justinh:

ivor: oh gawd, the one I have would cost the best part of a grand for the DVR alone

[14:46:11]

justinh:

it's not great either but miles ahead of the boxes from Taiwan

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patdk-wk:

how much bitrate does yours record?

[14:46:47]

justinh:

the majority of those record quads to disk. which is to say, they split 4 cameras onto the screen & record that image to disk. to look at a single camera they zoom into a quadrant

[14:46:51]

justinh:

patdk-wk: 50k jpeg

[14:46:54]

ivor:

justinh: running zoneminder?

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patdk-wk:

I mean, how many megs per second or whatever

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justinh:

mpeg is NOT a good idea for CCTV

[14:47:37]

justinh:

50KB x 4 * 25

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patdk-wk:

I'm more thinking for offsite backup

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AndyCap:

justinh: what's wrong with mpeg?

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justinh:

AndyCap: motion artifacts

[14:48:25]

justinh:

think about it. you want loads of storage time so they crank the bitrate down

[14:48:35]

justinh:

aaand the majority of events cctv capture happen pretty damn quickly

[14:48:53]

justinh:

like the ones you're interested in ;-)

[14:49:17]

AndyCap:

so nothing wrong with mpeg as such, just people doing it wrong?

[14:49:45]

justinh:

yeah. customers want ever increasing storage times

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justinh:

mostly to protect them from false litigation

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patdk-wk:

40mbit :( for justinh

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justinh:

e.g. old dear says she slipped in a shopping centre on $date. centre looks up CCTV records for $date & disproves the fact she fell ;-)

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justinh:

so yeah they prevent crime alright ;-)

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justinh:

but they don't stop 2 guys breaking into your house AFTER they both look directly into the cameras & making off with valuables & one of your cars. I know :-(

[14:52:20]

ivor:

justinh: and I can check on the state of the snow at home from work... :)

[14:52:21]

AndyCap:

nah, why would that stop them?

[14:52:22]

ivor:

justinh: ouch.

[14:52:31]

AndyCap:

any more than longer prison sentences.

[14:52:40]

AndyCap:

all for nothing if nobody bothers to look for you

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justinh:

ivor: yeah mine is handy for that too

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atmos4:

hi

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justinh:

AndyCap: they took 3 mobile phones too, all active. cops coulda traced them in next to no time

[14:53:34]

justinh:

friend of my wife was going out with a cop. happened to them & they had a helicopter after em

[14:53:35]

AndyCap:

justinh: on the other side I'm sure your cctv will provide the cops with enough rope to hang you should they feel like it

[14:53:53]

justinh:

AndyCap: they'd never recover the data from the HDD, I'd make sure of it

[14:54:14]

AndyCap:

if you see them coming.

[14:54:22]

atmos4:

someone can recommend an USB DVB-C adapter with ci-slot that works with mythtv?

[14:54:28]

ivor:

AndyCap: of course he would! he's got cameras. :)

[14:54:34]

justinh:

atmos4: the question is more whether or not it works in linux

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ivor:

atmos4: an dfor that... the linuxtv.org wiki

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AndyCap:

justinh: and if you destroy the data, claim it's encrypted and lock you up until you prduce the key.

[14:55:03]

atmos4:

thx I'll take a look

[14:55:33]

atmos4:

sadly pci is not an option with my nvidia ion system

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AndyCap:

atmos4: answer: none. :P or possibly technotrend CT-3650 CI, but haven't heard anything about the driver since november 2009

[14:56:01]

AndyCap:

atmos4: apart from DVB-T worked, DVB-C and CI did not

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justinh:

atmos4: maybe think about assembling a cheap & dirty backend machine then :-)

[14:56:20]

atmos4:

AndyCap: yea, I found that card, but no clear statements on linux support

[14:56:28]

atmos4:

naa

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justinh:

one of mythtv's greatest strengths is its architecture

[14:56:42]

atmos4:

I could use a riser card and drill a holeinto the case for the antenna

[14:56:47]

justinh:

FWIW with only ONE tuner you might as well have NO tuner IME

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atmos4:

but it be very little space

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atmos4:

have to find a very flat riser card

[14:57:24]

justinh:

or make a proper combined FE & BE system, then hide it :-)

[14:57:36]

atmos4:

actually I'm mostly looking to be able to occasionally watch the dvb-c I have anyways

[14:57:46]

atmos4:

because my receiver can't connect via hdmi

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AndyCap:

atmos4: not clear enough? http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /032464.html

[14:57:55]

atmos4:

so no go with my projector

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justinh:

ivor: yeah we got burgled. CCTV images were useless cos a) it was dark and b) the IR illumination produces such a fake image

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atmos4:

dvb-c without ci won't help much, because I can only receive channels with the card

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ivor:

I've got some big IR lamps on order. was hoping fit them this weekend butI think the snow's put paid to that.

[15:00:18]

justinh:

ivor: I'd go with visible light

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justinh:

no false colours

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justinh:

you can't even tell skin colour with IR

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AndyCap:

Calling all cars, 4 glowing men wanted for burglary.

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justinh:

is that guys coat red, grey or black? I dunno, they all look the same on those night mode cameras!

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ivor:

nah don't want big floodlamps going off at the front. I might put some around the inside of the property though.

[15:01:40]

ivor:

besides I reckon there's a bit of a detterrent to a big red IR lamp glowing. :)

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AndyCap:

floodlamps are excellent. they put a scare into you

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justinh:

all CCTV is really good for is proving something happened. not that a particular person did it

[15:01:51]

AndyCap:

or so I'v heard...

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patdk-wk:

huge floods going on scare the crap out of people

[15:02:06]

patdk-wk:

besides blinding them for a few seconds

[15:02:16]

justinh:

unless you absolutely go nuts with camera with narrow fields of view

[15:02:43]

patdk-wk:

heh, can't locate any nice hd cctv's? :)

[15:02:59]

justinh:

not at a price I can afford, no

[15:03:10]

justinh:

we make a 2 megapixel network camera

[15:03:16]

justinh:

no use in low light, and about 2 grand a pop

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justinh:

stunning in daylight though

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justinh:

samsung are doing a 5 megapixel IP cam now. won an award for it at IFSEC last year

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justinh:

ahh more 'light snow' forecast for 9pm tonight

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ivor:

is that where light== 6 inches?

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justinh:

apparently

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rambo3:

ниггер

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ivor:

its an ongoing meme.

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rambo3:

јес

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justinh:

"light snow shower" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOwEGyNXsXw

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** ivor waits for the flames from canadians/alaskans/siberians/eskimos... **

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justinh:

heh

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Elwell:

trouble with cctv systems is you need badged ones to keep in sewer ants happy :-(

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Elwell:

certainly for commercial

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justinh:

ivor: or merkins even ;-)

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justinh:

Elwell: more so for evidencial purposes

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Elwell:

even if the ones that 'certain large vendor' (name rhymes with flubb) rebadges are sh*t cos they expect to be able to run 4*4 camera cards onto a PCI bus...

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justinh:

our stuff watermarks every recorded image

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Elwell:

and wonder why it has crappy IO

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justinh:

yeah it's best when the compression is on the card

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justinh:

our stuff has video decoders going direct into codecs

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justinh:

one box we make has 32 codecs. one codec per camera input. it's not cheap :)

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justinh:

each codec can do mjpeg (for disk recording) and mpeg4 (for network streaming/remote monitoring) at the same time

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** Elwell really liked one make of kit – can't remember who it was now. Miles better than the chubb crap **

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octavsly:

what would be the bit rate?

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octavsly:

for both mpeg and mpeg4

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justinh:

up to 2Mbps for the mpeg4

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octavsly:

VGA resolution?

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justinh:

& I think the jpeg goes up to 75k

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justinh:

2CIF

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justinh:

oops 4CIF

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octavsly:

and the 2Mbps is for all camera

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octavsly:

cameras

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justinh:

no per camera if you want it that high

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octavsly:

isn't that a bit high?

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octavsly:

especially for mpeg4

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justinh:

I just said UP TO. I didn't say anybody recommends people use that

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octavsly:

aa... commercial presentation :-)

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justinh:

as I said earlier customers go for storage time

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justinh:

unlike casino clients. who want full frame rate AND long retention time ;-)

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octavsly:

:-)

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octavsly:

maximum fps is 30?

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Elwell:

'digital sprite 2'

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Elwell:

foundit :-)

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justinh:

no, they're the way old stuff#

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justinh:

digital sprite 2 was new when I started here 8 years ago

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Elwell:

Query failed: Table './thetvdb/tvepisodes' is marked as crashed and last (automatic?) repair failed

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Elwell:

'wasn't me!'

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Elwell:

justinh: yeah I've not had to touch CCTV for 4 years

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justinh:

Elwell: mysqlcheck ?

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justinh:

killall firefox

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justinh:

d'oh

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ivor:

justinh: a reasonable sentiment.

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justinh:

it's the least sucky of all the browsers I've used on linux so far though :)

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justinh:

in terms of displaying websites reasonably I mean

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Elwell:

justinh: 's not here – thetvdb appears to have fallen over again

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justinh:

ah

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justinh:

got pretty popular pretty quickly, they did

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** justinh blames the eye emm dee bee **

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justinh:

more specifically, Amazon

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AndyCap:

so, is there any country that's not prone to moral-panic attacks?

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ivor:

i think you're confusing "country" with "media"

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iamlindoro:

TVDB is fragile right now because it's running on skeleton hardware while they attempt to bring up the new hardware/API/architecture this weekend

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Beirdo:

!list

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iamlindoro:

Needs more attack verbs

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iamlindoro:

;)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

maybe later. I've been working on redoing the fulltext search using CLucene

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Beirdo:

almost ready to deploy it :)

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Beirdo:

fulltext searching in mysql is slow, and the index takes nearly an hour to rebuild

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iamlindoro:

very cool

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Beirdo:

it is roughly 3.8M entries

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Beirdo:

but first I need to implement an importer that will pull the data from mysql

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Beirdo:

and then I need to get it working from PHP too :)

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Beirdo:

fun times

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iamlindoro:

Nice to see progress on it, though

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Beirdo:

Three Kings Day was productive :)

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iamlindoro:

Now we just need an action to build a google query for someone ;)

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Beirdo:

also want to embed ruby so we can use ruby scripts instead of or as well as lua

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iamlindoro:

!googleItYourDamnSelf Search Term

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Beirdo:

and I have someone who wants to help me abstract the database interface to allow for use of postgres

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Beirdo:

hehe. Hi, googlebot!

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Beirdo:

can you believe I wrote most of the bot back in 2006!?

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Beirdo:

how time flies

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wagnerrp:

so python has depreciated their mutex lock calls, and when asked what to use when sharing between threads, youre yelled at for trying to use threading

[18:21:42]

Beirdo:

that's OK, I'll yell at you for using python, so all is good :)

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Beirdo:

!url google

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MythLogBot:

google: http://www.google.com/

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Beirdo:

nice, that works

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Beirdo:

muhahaha

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Beirdo:

I had forgotten about that plugin

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wagnerrp:

does text after the google get shoved into a search?

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Beirdo:

nope

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jams:

wagnerrp- lets face it python threading always seemed like an after thought

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Beirdo:

I may add that sometime though

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jams:

i have found threading using pyqt to be a bit more sane

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Beirdo:

pthreads in C works great for me :)

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** Beirdo pats MythLogBot **

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wagnerrp:

mythlogbot is written in C?

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** wagnerrp shudders at his last experience in attempting full text processing in C **

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

all C. Except the LUA scripts (which are disabled here)

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Beirdo:

and the new CLucene interface (which is one file of C++ and needs some testing)

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Beirdo:

C is my friend :)

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Beirdo:

not sure how many threads are in it as running here... something like 10

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wagnerrp:

i prefer C myself, but im just using it for number crunching

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Beirdo:

I could have used lex/yacc but I decided against it :)

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wagnerrp:

and even then i dont write my own threading, MPI handles all that for me

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Beirdo:

well, I wrote my own queues, binary trees, etc all using pthreads

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Beirdo:

about 2003\

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Beirdo:

actually wrote them for use in a traffic generator pumping close to 1Gbit/s of traffic through the queues, so I'm sure they are working perfectly :)

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mishehu:

Beirdo: you weirdo, stop molestering the bot :-)

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Beirdo:

heya...

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mishehu:

these days you can't make physical contact, or even pseudo physical contact :-)

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** Beirdo kicks MythLogBot square in the nuts **

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Beirdo:

good bot.

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mishehu:

that's assault

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Beirdo:

it likes it

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wagnerrp:

no, thats battery

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wagnerrp:

assault is just threatening someone

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mishehu:

I'm sure it's got a terrible pain in all its groin diodes now.

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Beirdo:

for the bot, it's foreplay

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Beirdo:

hehe

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mishehu:

wagnerrp: ah yeah, but battery is how it is powered too

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mishehu:

unless it's a bender unit

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Beirdo:

anyways, I'm gonna be transferring the fulltext indexing from mysql to clucene tonight if all goes well

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Beirdo:

and if it works right, removing the 480MB fulltext index from mysql so I don't have to keep repairing the dang thing

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Beirdo:

so this bot will be getting an upgrade soon :)

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amidaniel:

Is there anyway to leave a channel paused / continue watching a channel while switching back to the main menu? That is, without escaping out of it

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wagnerrp:

you can hit 'r', and then go back to it in watch recordings

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patdk-wk:

use a second frontend?

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wagnerrp:

but no, there is currently no way to leave livetv without terminating the livetv session

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** patdk-wk will have to remember r :) **

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wagnerrp:

and there is no way to migrate a livetv session to a second frontend

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patdk-wk:

I normally go into the guide and click record there

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amidaniel:

Aha, that'll do it

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amidaniel:

Thx :)

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wagnerrp:

hitting 'r' has the advantage of keeping all your existing livetv buffer

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wagnerrp:

where if you record from the guide, you start a new recording

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patdk-wk:

ya, I don't do it very often, maybe *once* a year

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patdk-wk:

I only watch livetv if I'm home sick for a few days

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amidaniel:

... brings me to a new question. My remote maps the record button as Ctl+R, and I can't find anyway to change it to just r (e.g., through xmodmap). Can I change the record key to Ctl+R (which I can't find anywhere in this lengthy edit keys list)

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amidaniel:

Wee ... found it. Togglerecord under TV playback.

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olejl:

Is there an easy way to delete all program info in the database?

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olejl:

(epg)

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trumee:

guys, how can i scan channels for PVR 250? i tried mplayer -vo /dev/video and it produces a noise.

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wagnerrp:

you cant scan analog

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trumee:

i want to scan channels outside myth 0.22 since analog is broken in 0.22

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patdk-wk:

heh?

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wagnerrp:

you cant import analog channels scanned externally either

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patdk-wk:

isn't that is what schedules direct is for? :)

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wagnerrp:

currently the only two options are SD (which doesnt work since youre in india) or manual entry

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trumee:

i tried various channels numbers using, ivtv-tune -c xx -d /dev/video0 but all of them give noise

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kormoc:

trumee: so you're asking us to google and give you urls?

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iamlindoro:

not unless they open a branch in India where he lives

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patdk-wk:

kormoc, that would be nice :)

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wagnerrp:

trumee: you may be trying to use the wrong frequency map

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trumee:

do i need to change the frequency type somewhere?

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trumee:

wagnerrp, yes that might be the case.

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trumee:

http://ivtvdriver.org seems to be down at the moment :(

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karl_k:

hi all ! i have a problem with mythtv, it records programs with a title search rule that does not exist any more.

[19:21:18]

wagnerrp:

the rule must exist, or else mythtv wouldnt be using it

[19:21:19]

karl_k:

its recording smallville all the time whenever it finds it, but in the title search page i have long ago removed the rule

[19:21:37]

karl_k:

its not in the database

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wagnerrp:

it has to be

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wagnerrp:

is it actually recording it? or is it just saying 'youve already recorded this episode once'?

[19:23:18]

trumee:

ivtv-tune -t europe-west doesnt seem to do anything. is it the correct way to chaneg frequency map?

[19:23:19]

karl_k:

its recording every screening, but mythconverg=>keyword does not contain the keyword any more

[19:24:19]

wagnerrp:

but do you have a recording rule set for that show?

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wagnerrp:

recording rules are stored in 'record' and shouldnt be edited manually anyway

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karl_k:

you are right, i have a rule in there

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karl_k:

where can i delete that in the gui ?

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wagnerrp:

in 'manage recordings'

[19:27:09]

trumee:

neither does ivtv-tune --freqtable="europe-west". Both display the options again. and ivtv-tune -l always shows us-cable.

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wagnerrp:

under upcoming recordings, just edit one instance of the show, and disable the rule

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karl_k:

i am looking into manage recordings=>fulltextsearch=>title

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karl_k:

there i have all my other rules, but this one is not shown there

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trumee:

wagnerrp, any idea how to change the frequency map using ivtv-tune?

[19:28:33]

wagnerrp:

nope

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wagnerrp:

karl_k: do you have mythweb installed?

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karl_k:

yes

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wagnerrp:

theres a page that gives you a big list of all recording rules

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trumee:

anybody else knows about ivtv-tune?

[19:29:27]

wagnerrp:

just select the one in question, and mark it 'dont record'

[19:29:56]

wagnerrp:

make that 'cancel this schedule'

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karl_k:

its listed in there as a title search, even though its not shown in the gui like all the other title searches

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karl_k:

weird

[19:31:33]

anykey_:

Any idea why my some keys on my remote (especially Up/Down/Left/Right) are not working in the database configuration screen of mythfrontend? 'ircat mythtv' captures them fine (as Up/Down/Left/Right that is)

[19:31:49]

karl_k:

i will remove it with mythweb, but i dont understand it

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karl_k:

thanks wagnerrp

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trumee:

nobody has used pvr-xx before?

[19:33:25]

karl_k:

thanks a lot wagnerrp, that has worked, you solved a mystery ! Cheers !

[19:33:55]

kormoc:

trumee: sure, lots have, but noone has scanned

[19:34:22]

trumee:

kormoc, i am struggling on how to change the frequency map.

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trumee:

kormoc, also i want to change video standard to Pal-BG

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kormoc:

trumee: ivtvctl or similar might be of help

[19:36:33]

trumee:

i dont have ivtvctl, only ivtv-ctl which seems to be different

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trumee:

xawtv doesnt even show any noise. i tried to change to Pal and Europe-west in xawtv. But dont know if it actually changed anything

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wagnerrp:

but youre not in western europe

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trumee:

wagnerrp, couple of years ago, i tried a pinnacle tv tuner and i think it worked with europe-west frequencies. But whether xawtv is actually changing the frequency map i am still not sure off.

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trumee:

aha!, i tried v4l2-ctl -s pal and now mplayer is showing a video feed

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trumee:

now is there a way to scan for channels on all frequencies?

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wagnerrp:

not through mythtv currently... externally? ive never used anything to scan analog

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trumee:

yes i want to scan externally. since i am on myth 0.22

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trumee:

wagnerrp, if i install myth 0.21, will i be able to scan channels? i can then do an upgrade to mytht 0.22.

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wagnerrp:

i believe so

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trumee:

tvtime-scanner doesnt work. Gives an error "videoinput: Card failed to allocate capture buffers: Invalid argument"

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trumee:

wagnerrp, ok installing mythtv 0.21 now.

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devinheitmueller:

trumee: tvtime does not work with boards that don't support the V4L2 MMAP method for accessing the video buffers.

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devinheitmueller:

(that's what that error means)

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trumee:

devinheitmueller, thanks. i am going to give a shot to myth 0.21

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devinheitmueller:

ok

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gizmobay:

In mythmovie times, I'm getting a failed to process the grabber data error.

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gizmobay:

Am I missing a dependency

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wagnerrp:

gizmobay: apparently the site that provided data is no longer providing data

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gizmobay:

Aww thanks, I screwed up my system and thought I was missing a dep

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gizmobay:

when I try to play a CD, I'm getting skips and buffer underrun. What could cause this?

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trumee:

ok, i downgraed to myth 0.21 and scanned all the channels. The video is working fine but there is no audio.

[21:03:55]

trumee:

any idea what might be wrong. For broadcast standard i tried both Pal and Pal BG. But no luck.

[21:05:37]

trumee:

The logs shows : AFD: Opened codec 0x833b5e0, id(MPEG2VIDEO) type(Video)

[21:05:47]

trumee:

AFD: codec MP2 has 2 channels

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trumee:

AFD: Opened codec 0x837f4f0, id(MP2) type(Audio)

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trumee:

Opening audio device 'default'. ch 2(2) sr 48000

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trumee:

Opening ALSA audio device 'default'.

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trumee:

mixer unable to find control Master 1

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trumee:

VideoOutputXv: Desired video renderer '' not available. codec 'MPEG2' makes 'opengl,xv-blit,xshm,vdpau,xlib,' available, using 'opengl' instead.

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trumee:

is mixer1 unavilability an issue?

[21:07:32]

amidaniel:

Man, this channel icon search interface sucks

[21:08:03]

amidaniel:

trumee: Do you get sound from other things, or is it just myth that's lacking audio?

[21:08:39]

trumee:

amidaniel, i am getting audio out with mplayer.

[21:08:59]

trumee:

amidaniel, i tried play an mp3 with mplayer and sound is there.

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amidaniel:

Have you tried playing the video from your tuner card through an external player? (e.g., vlc /dev/video0)

[21:12:21]

amidaniel:

Or playing videos recorded by myth with an external player

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trumee:

mplyaer /dev/video0 also doesnt produce any sound. although it also says that 2 channel audio present.

[21:13:52]

trumee:

could this be an ivtv setting as well?

[21:16:04]

trumee:

kormoc, any idea?

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devinheitmueller:

trumee: try: /usr/bin/v412-ctl -d /dev/video0 --set-audio-input=0

[21:19:38]

trumee:

devinheitmueller, still no audio. i tried playing with mplayer /dev/video0

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devinheitmueller:

try: /usr/bin/v412-ctl -d /dev/video0 --set-audio-input=1

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amidaniel:

trumee: Have you tried changing channels?

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amidaniel:

ivtv-tune -c 2 or something

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dherde:

Good afternoon. I am trying to get a pinnacle HDpro stick running and I understand that I have to give scan a frequency parameter for it to start scanning for ATSC channels. (I think the program is actually 'scan' not inside mythtv) Does anyone know what I need to provide to the program?

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devinheitmueller:

dherde: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Scan

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dherde:

Thanks..

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trumee:

amidaniel, yes channel changig woks

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devinheitmueller:

dherde: you probably need something like this: scan /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/atsc/us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB

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trumee:

devinheitmueller, no luck with audio-input=1 either

[21:24:20]

devinheitmueller:

(although the exact location of the frequencies file may differ depending on your distro)

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devinheitmueller:

trumee: I'm not sure then. I would probably have to play with my card to debug the issue.

[21:26:18]

amidaniel:

trumee: And do you get sound after changing channels? The Google informs me that this was an issue with the 250 cards.

[21:26:21]

devinheitmueller:

Also, did you set the standard correctly? On many of those cards, you cannot just say "PAL". You need to specify the exact standard if you want audio to work.

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amidaniel:

trumee: Also, dunno if it may be relevant: //www.opensubscriber.com/message/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/1263150.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/mythtv- . . . 1263150.html

[21:26:54]

devinheitmueller:

trumee: Yeah, you may wish to try the non-tuner input and see if the problem is specific to the coax input.

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trumee:

amidaniel, devinheitmueller, ok there is an improvement. i have two pvr 250 cards. and i am getting audio on one of the cards. i tried audio-input=0

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trumee:

the cards are different revisions of pvr 250.

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devinheitmueller:

Are they both for your region? I know there were different versions of the card which only worked with their respective standards.

[21:36:23]

devinheitmueller:

... unlike nowadays where most devices work in either NTSC or all variants of PAL (or both).

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trumee:

yes, they are both for BG standard (tuner label says that). is there any way to query this using software?

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devinheitmueller:

Well, if it's printed on the label, then I don't think there's much value in querying the software.

[21:41:11]

devinheitmueller:

If it's not working in mplayer either, then it's not a MythTV issue, so all I can suggest is you report it to the linux-media mailing list and hope a developer has the time/interest to debug it.

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iamlindoro:

Heh, guy in #mythtv that shouldn't be in #mythtv posted a youtube video showing off Myth running on an AppleTV... with *27* seconds to start liveTV

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iamlindoro:

only confirming what I have long said, that the AppleTV is a horrible, horrible frontend

[21:42:10]

iamlindoro:

note that's 27 seconds from *click* on WatchTV to a picture appearing

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: I cannot imagine why it would possibly take that long, even on an AppleTV platform. It's got to be some sort of bug or timing race in Myth.

[21:42:24]

devinheitmueller:

(that only manifests itself on that hardware)

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Having set up the frontend on ATV four or so times, it's just woefully inadequate for pretty much everything

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trumee:

devinheitmueller, i am going to open the case to verify that again. But was wondering why does mplayer detect audio if the standard is wrong.

[21:43:21]

iamlindoro:

even toggling menu items is measured in seconds

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devinheitmueller:

trumee: mplayer is just querying the v4l2 controls, which says that audio is an option.

[21:43:42]

trumee:

devinheitmueller, i see.

[21:43:54]

devinheitmueller:

Whenever mplayer connects to the device, it querys for the device capabilities, and the card advertises that it supports audio.

[21:44:02]

devinheitmueller:

(regardless of whether it is actually working)

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: once the livetv is loaded, does the video playback actually work in realtime?

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: depending on the content it can, but generally speaking requires XvMC to be working

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devinheitmueller:

fair enough. I was just wondering if the 3d layer was working at all. If not, *that* could definitely slow down the UI.

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devinheitmueller:

Also, is this the OSX mythfrontend running on the appletv, or a Linux distro running on the hardware?

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: I had consulting work for a guy who wanted a whole-home system installed, and though I cautioned him against the ATVs, he insisted on it-- He has his expectations set *way* too high for that hardware

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iamlindoro:

we went back through and replaced them all with AsRock ION boxes and how he's very happy

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jp--:

hi guys. I'm new to mythtv... how's that Live TV, does it use video streaming, like using the mms protocol or something? Because I saw it working on an apple tv and the apple tv didn't have any tv cards attached... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHP0Llu1AH0 thank you guys for clarifying me this! :)

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: In the above, in OS X (which surely adds to the slowness)

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devinheitmueller:

Like most software that isn't burnt in on a given hardware platform, it's probably just poorly optimized. Somebody would probably have to spend the time to gprof it and figure out where all the time is spent.

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: admittedly native linux as I did it performs better

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iamlindoro:

though the ~1.5 second pause between buttonpresses was/is still present

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: that's got to be some sort of bug.

[21:49:06]

iamlindoro:

I expect it may be, though I'm not convinced it's in Myth

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devinheitmueller:

(for example a difference in POSIX versus BSD semantics for select() )

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Even on linux on it, it was just awful

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iamlindoro:

Were looking at 10–12 seconds for a liveTV start

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jp--:

:)

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: weird.

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jp--:

iamlindoro, this was the right channel right?

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iamlindoro:

those were some awkward seconds when I went to "demonstrate"

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jp--:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

jp--: correct

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trumee:

devinheitmueller, i am going to try one card at a time to check which one works.

[21:50:30]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: the hardware isn't *that* slow though, so it's got to be some sort of bug.

[21:50:34]

jp--:

so, do you know the answer? :S

[21:50:43]

iamlindoro:

MythTv uses its own native streaming protocol, and has a client/server architecture

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jp--:

^^

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jp--:

does it support mms?

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iamlindoro:

therefore you can do all the recording on one system, distribute it among many, etc.

[21:51:00]

iamlindoro:

No, we don't use MMS

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trumee:

devinheitmueller, thanks for your inputs today. will get back on this later.

[21:51:21]

devinheitmueller:

trumee: ok, good luck.

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jp--:

so the guy in the video had a server running mythtv to make live tv, right?

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: yeah, it *should* have about as much power as a single core Atom

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jp--:

and the apple tv was the client

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iamlindoro:

jp--: correct

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: I suspect this is a case where nobody has ever run a profiler against it. You would be amazed the crap you can find when you actually take the time to profile the code.

[21:52:41]

jp--:

iamlindoro, do you know if there's a way to modify the mythtv client system to load mms urls and then stream them?

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devinheitmueller:

Show me a gprof report, and *then* let's talk about why it's so damn slow.

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iamlindoro:

None of the devs is insane enough to want to use an AppleTV, and nobody Insane enough to use an AppleTV is knowledgeable enough to profile it ;)

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: I believe that is exactly the problem.

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wagnerrp:

cant say ive ever profiled 'real' code, but i know ive stripped down some matlab routines from 25min to about 15sec by tinkering around in the profiler and restructuring the code

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: Well, perhaps "situation" would be a better term than "problem", since I'm not sure I want to call it a problem.

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iamlindoro:

jp--: Again, no, we don't do MMS. You *might* be able to use VLC to build an MMS playlist and act like an IPTV "tuner" but that's absolutely not guaranteed/supported/even likely to work for sure

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: a simple misalignment between the people who care about that case working well and the people qualified to figure out why it is slow.

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jp--:

thanks iamlindoro :)

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iamlindoro:

jp--: np

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jp--:

the thing is that I wanted to build 10 foot user interface, and I really liked the mythtv interface

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iamlindoro:

jp--: The "right" way to solve it is to push for the patches for mms support to be included in ffmpeg, at which point adding support in Myth would be extremely trivial

[21:55:47]

wagnerrp:

mms? microsoft media server?

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iamlindoro:

There were patches for such support several years ago, though they have not been applied

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devinheitmueller:

jp--: rather than asking the MythTV developers why they don't support MMS, how about you go to Microsoft and ask them why they don't support the MythTV protocol? It's about the same level of reasonableness.

[21:56:10]

wagnerrp:

we were around first

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jp--:

devinheitmueller, I understand your concern and I support it too.

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devinheitmueller:

Probably also worth mentioning that MMS is deprecated. Nowadays Microsoft is doing RTSP.

[21:56:49]

devinheitmueller:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Media_Server

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wagnerrp:

nevermind... seems the NetShow stuff has been around since NT4

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jp--:

thanks iamlindoro, that gives me more clue about it

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iamlindoro:

np

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jp--:

iamlindoro, http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/streamtuned.html

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jp--:

an unofficial MythTv plugin that plays Internet audio and video streams :)

[22:01:48]

iamlindoro:

That's just a frontend to mplayer, which does not work with any curent Myth code

[22:02:26]

jp--:

oh ok, but it gives me some idea that I could use Mythtv interface to stream those videos using mplayer, right?

[22:02:52]

wagnerrp:

does a 2GHz AMD64 playing back 40mbps mpeg2 seem possible?

[22:03:01]

iamlindoro:

If you wrote a plugin to wrap it, which is a non-trivial undertaking

[22:03:17]

iamlindoro:

It would be much, much easier just to dust off the old ffmpeg mms patches and get them accepted

[22:03:20]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: You've got a 40Mbps mpeg2 stream?

[22:03:41]

jp--:

iamlindoro, thanks! :)

[22:04:04]

iamlindoro:

not to mention it actually benefits others

[22:04:05]

wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HD_Playback_Reports#AMD_Processors , top item

[22:04:06]

iamlindoro:

np

[22:04:19]

devinheitmueller:

wtf

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: its a bluray-rip, not digital tv

[22:04:50]

devinheitmueller:

Did they transcode it from h.264?

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wagnerrp:

some bluray use mpeg2

[22:05:13]

wagnerrp:

ive got at least one thats mpeg2

[22:05:21]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: really? I thought BluRay didn't support MPEG2 as a codec.

[22:05:24]

iamlindoro:

Ugh, someone cleaned out a ton of the examples a while back

[22:05:35]

wagnerrp:

mpeg2, h264, and vc-1

[22:05:38]

iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: naw, many of the early ones used it-- h.264, MPEG-2, and VC1

[22:05:59]

iamlindoro:

I had a ~41 Mbit MPEG-2 example in there before someone decided to "clean up"

[22:06:02]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, I knew about H.264 and VC1. Didn't realize they required MPEG2 as well.

[22:06:11]

iamlindoro:

"Click" on Bluy-ray

[22:06:16]

iamlindoro:

right around 41

[22:06:24]

devinheitmueller:

Ick.

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devinheitmueller:

Weird. Given how new the BluRay spec is, I had assumed everyone would be doing AVC.

[22:07:45]

jp--:

iamlindoro, do you know how can I get the rev 21640 of MythTv?

[22:07:51]

devinheitmueller:

(with perhaps using MPEG2 occasionally on SD content like behind the scenes reals etc)

[22:08:07]

devinheitmueller:

(or legacy DVD content)

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iamlindoro:

jp--: check it out from SVN

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: gbee cleared out all the mplayer examples back in april

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jp--:

ok :)

[22:08:49]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: yeah, I know, just had forgotten and never bothered to re-add them

[22:09:34]

iamlindoro:

I remember being pretty irked about it at the time

[22:10:08]

iamlindoro:

Then again, page started before you could just magically drop an nVidia card in to accomplish most content, so it's less of a useful tool any more

[22:10:17]

wagnerrp:

why would you post your own example to that page, and mark it red for incorrect processor speed

[22:10:30]

wagnerrp:

its *your* processor, you should know what speed it is

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jp--:

iamlindoro, i don't know how to get an specific rev of mythtv, do you know if it's possible to get that specific one

[22:11:53]

jp--:

?

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iamlindoro:

jp--: Yes, you should look up how to use subversion

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jp--:

key thanks!

[22:13:26]

iamlindoro:

jp--: It's important to note that you are note going to be able to get any support for a version that ancient

[22:13:58]

jp--:

it's ok, I just wanna play with it, nothing serious :)

[22:14:10]

jp--:

if I can't make it work, I'll try another option

[22:14:13]

jp--:

thanks !

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wagnerrp:

Zut is a tool...

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iamlindoro:

Zut is an exclamation like "Crap!" in French

[22:20:15]

iamlindoro:

or "Rats!" is how they put it in textbooks, heh

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Dagmar:

Awesome. UPS says they delivered my package to someone who signed for it.

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Dagmar:

THey say they delivered it to a woman.

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Dagmar:

I am not a woman.

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devinheitmueller:

Dagmar: are you sure? Have you taken a blood test?

[22:36:41]

devinheitmueller:

:-p

[22:36:46]

Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure the penis gives it away

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wagnerrp:

not always

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wagnerrp:

will they let you see the signature?

[22:37:55]

wagnerrp:

or is it gibberish

[22:38:05]

Dagmar:

I could care less.

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Dagmar:

I want them to make the driver go back to wherever he thought he was, and get my damn boxes

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Dagmar:

"Lan" from NewEgg was not trained well enough.

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sid3windr:

:-)

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sid3windr:

I had that too once

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sid3windr:

turns out driver went to a street that had the same first 5 letters

[22:43:28]

sid3windr:

ours wasn't in his gps

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sid3windr:

so he took a best match.

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sid3windr:

:|

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nemith:

what frequencies do i need for over-the-air ATSC splitter?

[22:50:49]

nemith:

I have some 5–1000mhz but i notice some going to 2400mhz

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iamlindoro:

850 is the top end of ATSC IIRC

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nemith:

we'll i'll give it shot

[22:53:01]

nemith:

thanks iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

np

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wagnerrp:

i believe 2400MHz is only for satellites

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wagnerrp:

5–1000 is standard cable band

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devinheitmueller:

ATSC is 54–860 MHz.

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** iamlindoro was close **

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iamlindoro:

darn me for not putting a tilde in front of it and claiming victory

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nemith:

hah

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nemith:

i just wanted to know if my 5–1000mhz would work and it looks good :)

[23:01:09]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, just watch out for how many dB you are going to lose because of the splitter.

[23:01:44]

wagnerrp:

theoretical minimum is 3, cheap units will drop considerably more

[23:02:09]

nemith:

i have one that lists 4db drop and the other is unknown

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devinheitmueller:

I actually typically chain together splitters in a series when I am doing testing because I am too cheap to buy an attenuator.

[23:02:50]

jp--:

iamlindoro, i found out you can watch iptv channels, which is what I want, so mythtv can do what I want

[23:02:58]

jp--:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /192587.html

[23:03:27]

iamlindoro:

jp--: That is not support for mms streams

[23:03:37]

jp--:

hmm ok

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jp--:

:/

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nemith:

the other is 3.3 to 3.8 depending on the frequence

[23:03:53]

nemith:

y

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jp--:

iamlindoro, what would you recommend me to play mms urls on an 10 foot user interface on linux? program an interface similar to mythtv using what language and toolkit...?

[23:05:58]

iamlindoro:

jp--: Couldn't tell you

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jp--:

:(

[23:08:18]

jp--:

off topic: is it right to say in english "family makes me getting feet back on the ground"? is the grammar ok?

[23:08:42]

iamlindoro:

No, don't know what that means :)

[23:08:54]

iamlindoro:

what is your native language, and what is it in that language?

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jp--:

like get feet back on the ground, get you to your real life, what you really have

[23:09:15]

jp--:

my native language is spanish

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iamlindoro:

to paraphrase, "My family is calling me back to real life"

[23:10:09]

jp--:

hmm something like that, but i've read a lot this "get my feet back on the ground"

[23:10:19]

jp--:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=" . . . aq=f&oq=

[23:10:22]

jp--:

i think it's correct

[23:10:24]

iamlindoro:

to get your feet back on the ground in english is to become financially stable

[23:10:27]

jp--:

do you think so?

[23:10:31]

jp--:

ohhh

[23:10:33]

jp--:

i get it!

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jp--:

thanks :)

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iamlindoro:

np

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jp--:

bye ! :) thanks for all. have a nice weekend.

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]Oscar:

I'm getting a lot of segmentation fault from frontend. Last lines in log are about "Failed to approve 'bobdeint'". Version is 23084 (from mythbuntu)

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pyther:

Hi

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pyther:

A 1.4Ghz celeron wouldn't be able to play hd files, could it?

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nemith:

pyther: maybe with a nvidia card offloading some of the decoding

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Dagmar:

Finally. The woman across the breezeway did sign for the things

[23:38:46]

Dagmar:

UPS are still clueless

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pyther:

nemith, ok thanks

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pyther:

unfortunately this has an ati card :-/

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Dagmar:

There's no PCIe or AGP port you could stick a real video card in?

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pyther:

Dagmar, no its an old laptop

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Dagmar:

Ah then it's not playin' HD mostly

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pyther:

ya probably not, just figured it'd be nice

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Dagmar:

It'll probably play MPEG video of just about any resolution fine tho

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Dagmar:

h.264 streams, you can forget

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pyther:

All I get is OTA HD :-/

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cal_:

what steps would it take to enable this in mythbrowser? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7363http:// . . . /ticket/7363 i've never tried to compile mythtv.. could i just download the mythbrowser source only, and compile it?

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Dagmar:

pyther: So unless you really need to watch it live, you can always transcode the video down to a more manageable format

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Dagmar:

cal_: You *might*. Whether or not you can is anyone's guess

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