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Monday, January 4th, 2010, 00:00 UTC

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jst_home:

jpabq: ?

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quink_:

hello

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quink_:

I'm having trouble doing a .21 to .22 upgrade and was wondering if anyone was around to help

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quink_:

the DB update is failing

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quink_:

"Error: The MythTV python interface is not installed or Cannot connect to MythTV Backend. MythTV meta data cannot be updated

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quink_:

"

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like a mythbuntu error

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quink_:

Not mythbuntu :)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv itself doesnt care about its python interface

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quink_:

gentoo + linux

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wagnerrp:

thats not an official mythtv error

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syamajala:

i made a recording but its not showing up under watch recordings

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quink_:

let me see if there is a more official error

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quink_:

that shows up as an email message.

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quink_:

Is there a manual command line way to upgrade the DB?

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iamlindoro:

no

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wagnerrp:

no first party mythtv binary will email you

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iamlindoro:

and the message you are seeing has nothing to do with myth DB upgrades

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quink_:

ok.

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iamlindoro:

That's JAMU

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quink_:

ok. So i looked at the wrong place. One sec.

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wagnerrp:

JAMU emails you on errors? man, he really went all out on that thing...

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iamlindoro:

saying that the myth python bindings aren't installed or set up properly-- but since Jamu is purely optional, that doesn't matter

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, They cron'd it and cron e-mails the errors

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wagnerrp:

well on gentoo, the default ebuild settings install jamu into cron by default

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wagnerrp:

you have to specifically disable it if you dont want it

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quink_:

2010-01–03 17:04:40.268 Upgrading.

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quink_:

2010-01–03 17:04:40.278 Newest MythTV Schema Version : 1244

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quink_:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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quink_:

2010-01–03 17:04:40.838 DB Error (Index creation failed.):

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wagnerrp:

you didnt just paste a whole bunch of crap in here did you?

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quink_:

So I guess it can't hit the DB for whatever version.

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wagnerrp:

two lines pasting max, channel rule

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quink_:

Depends on what your definition of crap is.

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quink_:

Ah. Well crap.

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quink_:

http://pastebin.ca/1736894

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iamlindoro:

so... about the plain english error message...

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quink_:

What is weird is that it makes a backup of the DB just fine.

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iamlindoro:

That's not weird

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wagnerrp:

see the link on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

gentoo has some default settings for its mysql installation

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iamlindoro:

backup up the DB is easy, converting it is hard, especially when you use Gentoo, which set defaults for MySQL that broke people's DBs

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wagnerrp:

that dont play nicely with 0.22

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quink_:

Maybe I'm misreading things but it looks to backup the db, attempt to connect to do the upgrade, fail to connect, then error out.

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wagnerrp:

that page describes the steps you need to make to migrate your old database over to the new schema

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quink_:

What page are you referring to?

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wagnerrp:

the one you referred to

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wagnerrp:

read your own pastebin

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quink_:

Oh. it was multilined link. Didn't realize it. I just saw mythtv.org

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wagnerrp:

additionally, the 'driver not loaded' stuff may mean you dont have qt4 set up, missing qt-mysql or something

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wagnerrp:

although the ebuild should automatically pick that up

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quink_:

thanks. Looks like i've got some work to do now.

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mrguitar:

is anyone around to help w/ a .22 issue?

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wagnerrp:

dont ask to ask, just ask

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mrguitar:

I'm getting a log full of these: HDHRSH(101170CE-0): RunTS(): data_length = 14476 remainder = 188

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mrguitar:

I've read it's because of signal strength

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mrguitar:

I never had this issue in .21.

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mrguitar:

Is there a way to disable this in the logs?

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quink_:

cool. fixed. Thanks

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wagnerrp:

mrguitar: you can reduce the logging level on the backend

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wagnerrp:

although its probably better to fix your signal strength issue

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wagnerrp:

also, you should be keeping your HDHR firmware up to date with the drivers used by mythtv

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wagnerrp:

end of august, i believe

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mrguitar:

I've got the latest firmware

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mrguitar:

I see in the init.d/mythbackend where the log file is set. Where do you adjust the log level? Sorry if this is a dumb question. I just need a temp fix – this is KILLING my software raid, until I can get an external antenna.

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wagnerrp:

in that command line, there should be a '-v something'

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wagnerrp:

default is '-v important,general'

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wagnerrp:

run with '-v help' to see available options

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wagnerrp:

or, you can just log to /dev/null, or disable logging all together

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wagnerrp:

how is it 'killing' your software raid?

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wagnerrp:

it your system cant handle a bit of logging, you have other problems

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mrguitar:

recordings stop after ~5 min. watching iostat -t 1 is scary. It's a beefy PC, but it's logging a ton of stuff.

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mrguitar:

that's probably only part of the problem

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mrguitar:

wagnerrp: thanks for your help. Things are working great (for now). this is a strange one.

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davez0r:

has anyone had issues with .22 and Unknown listings using Schedules Direct?

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[R]:

davez0r: "unknown listings"?

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davez0r:

yeah, my guide data has dissappeared

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davez0r:

every listing in mythfrontend shows as 'Unknown'

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davez0r:

and MythWeb shows each as "NO DATA"

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[R]:

what does the backend http status page say about the last run of mythfill?

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davez0r:

that sounds like a great place to start. I've run it a few times and it looks good but i'll check that page now

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davez0r:

whoa, wtf

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davez0r:

FAILED: xmltv returned error code 65280.

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davez0r:

initially I had used xmltv

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davez0r:

but i switched it to SD and had it working for awhile

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davez0r:

i tried deleting my input definition and completely redefined it

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davez0r:

but the problem remains

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[R]:

the grabber has nothing to do with the input

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[R]:

its the video soruce

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davez0r:

right

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davez0r:

i have one source defined- that's what I meant

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davez0r:

i deleted all my sources

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davez0r:

and recreated it

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davez0r:

(it's just called antenna)

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davez0r:

then re-linked the source to my tuners

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[R]:

ok now run mythfilldatabase

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davez0r:

yeah, i did and the problem remains. would I have to remove my tuners and redefine them as well?

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[R]:

the grabber is the video source

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davez0r:

so I thought I removed the video source correctly when I chose "Delete all video sources" from the menu in mythtv-backend

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davez0r:

is there another way to be sure I've removed it properly?

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davez0r:

i don't want it to use xmltv at all anymore

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davez0r:

but for some reason it still shows-up in that message

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[R]:

if you delete the source

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[R]:

does it still try to use xmltv?

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davez0r:

well, it's weird. when I watch the output of mythfilldatabase it appears to be doing it correctly

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davez0r:

i see connections to schedulesdirect

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[R]:

but...

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davez0r:

but the status page on mythweb says there's no guide data available

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davez0r:

and kindly reminds me to run mythfill

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[R]:

even when mythfill fully completes?

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davez0r:

yup. I just ran it, watched it go, then I can go to that status page and see the time that it ran

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davez0r:

but it has that FAILED xmltv message

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[R]:

sounds like your db is seriously screwed up

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davez0r:

yeah, almost like mythweb is pointing to different guide data than mythfill is populating

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wagnerrp:

when you deleted those sources, you deleted the channels that went along with it

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wagnerrp:

you must rescan with the new source

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[R]:

there you go

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davez0r:

yeah, i tried rescanning as well when I re-linked the input connections

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davez0r:

i think the key message here is that the backend-status page says it's using xmltv

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davez0r:

which differs from schedules direct right?

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[R]:

what time does it say it ran

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davez0r:

the timestamp is from when I ran it manually

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davez0r:

about 20 minutes ago

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davez0r:

which is 8:28pm my time

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[R]:

you've got something seroiusly screwed up

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davez0r:

heh, this i know

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iamlindoro:

http://www.geektonic.com/2010/01/silicondust- . . . blecard.html

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iamlindoro:

Not that it is likely to do us any good

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balleyne:

since upgrading to Ubuntu 9.10, I've been getting the following error from mythtvideo cron.hourly: "! Error: There must be a directory for Videos and each graphic type. The (fanartdir) directory is missing."

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balleyne:

how can I fix that?

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keith4_:

using firewire + HD cable box. after a backend restart, it seems that my LiveTV is no longer widescreen, but previously-recorded content is

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keith4_:

is this possible? or am i crazy?

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keith4_:

(... or is something else going on?)

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keith4_:

wait. it's.... not HD either

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wagnerrp:

anything you pull off firewire will be digital

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wagnerrp:

it will be whatever your cableco broadcasts

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: we can always dream

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[R]:

but if its still a networked product

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[R]:

what are they gonna do... encrypt the traffic?

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iamlindoro:

yes. Dump an encrypted stream.

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[R]:

how lame is that

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wagnerrp:

i believe theyre required to dump an encrypted stream by the cablelabs license

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[R]:

i'd totally be fine with a closed source decryption binary

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[R]:

but even that would never happen

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wagnerrp:

how would you pull that off?

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[R]:

well that still woudn't meet the requirements

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[R]:

cuz it needs to protect the output

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wagnerrp:

at some point it has to be pass unencrypted to mythtv

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[R]:

yeah... i'm stupid

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wagnerrp:

it has to protect all the way to the display

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wagnerrp:

meaning you have to have your program, graphics drivers, and video transmission all in on the deal

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[R]:

well

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[R]:

if the gpu did the decryption itself

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[R]:

myth could pass the encrypted data to it?

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wagnerrp:

and you would have to add a whole bunch of code to myth to allow that

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wagnerrp:

and you would have to support that in the graphics drivers

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iamlindoro:

Which breaks all the parts of myth that open the file and use it, which is a lot of them

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iamlindoro:

preview gen, commflagging, etc.

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iamlindoro:

heck, even seektable building

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wagnerrp:

and imagine the complaints of people worrying if theyre going to overload their 10/100 network when in order to play tv

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wagnerrp:

you have to pull from the HDHR, pass it back to the HDHR for decryption and re-encryption, and pull it back out

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wagnerrp:

half-duplex need not apply

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keith4_:

okay. this is confusing...

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keith4_:

my cable co recently went all-digital, and moved around all of their HD in the process. now for a given channel, the HD version is channel + 1000. when using 6200ch to change the cable box channel... without -s, it drops the first digit (so I get the non-HD)

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keith4_:

but *with* -s it works fine. once.

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keith4_:

if I'm already watching channel 1010, and 6200ch changes it to 1010 again (which is seems to, if I'm recording 2 things in a row on the same channel), then the cable box jumps to 1094

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[R]:

sounds like 6200ch isn't good for 4 digits

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[R]:

keith4_: what if you write a script that first changes to like 3... then changes to the correct channel?

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** wagnerrp is baffled how they cant get by with 999 channels **

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keith4_:

a lot of the problem is that they threw like... 100? or so "music" channels into the middle

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wagnerrp:

so

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keith4_:

[R], not a bad idea. not ideal, either

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[R]:

keith4_: you could fix 6200ch...

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keith4_:

[R], i'm looking at it now

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[R]:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.32340

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[R]:

since when do they have stuff that costs $40

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[R]:

oh... its usb 3... interesting

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keith4_:

i don't see any reason why 6200ch couldn't handle 4-digit channels

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keith4_:

the channel number is an int

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keith4_:

according to the verbose output, it's sending the identical command each time

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keith4_:

it's the stupid cable box that's wrong, i guess

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[R]:

well w/o the -s

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[R]:

its only going to get 3 digits

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keith4_:

ugh

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keith4_:

you're right

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[R]:

and with the -s... there might be too many bits

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[R]:

for the command to handle

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[R]:

although yo usaid it worked once

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keith4_:

it repeatedly works

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keith4_:

it's only in the odd case of... "changing" to the same channel

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keith4_:

the box goes screwy

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[R]:

oh...

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[R]:

well you could fix the slow command

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keith4_:

yah, i'm going to

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[R]:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.29867

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[R]:

VIA has a chip that is a hard disk controller AND a firewire?

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keith4_:

now, if i could remember how to compile this...

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clever:

[R]: my sata controler also has pata and usb 2.0, i think its only 2 chips

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[R]:

clever: yeah... 2 chips

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keith4_:

bingo

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[R]:

clever: that one only has 1

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clever:

[R]: not sure whats on what, i forget

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clever:

[R]: and its insane overkill, i have 3TB of storage and usb 2.0 on a P2 400mhz:P

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clever:

the bios cant even handle 50gig

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[R]:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26080

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[R]:

that has got to be the most extreme thing i have ever seen

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clever:

lol

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clever:

thats a pci slot!

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clever:

:O

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keith4_:

without giving this a whole lot of thought.... seems to work: http://pastebin.com/d73acaf85

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clever:

if i had a pure pci-e box, i could actualy use that

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clever:

but i dont have a single pci-e slot

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wagnerrp:

a

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clever:

[R]: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/peripherals . . . raid/vt6421/ ok it seems to do sata*2 and pata*1 on the same chip

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[R]:

clever: of course there is a chip that does sata and pata

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[R]:

clever: what do you think is on every motherboard with sata and pata

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clever:

none of my mobo's can do sata

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clever:

it must be usb 1.0 and 2.0 for the 2nd chip

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[R]:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4692

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[R]:

that'd be sweet to get

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[R]:

except its VIA

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clever:

the only problem i had with my via sata controller, was IRQ sharing

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clever:

it seems sharing IRQ with a hdd controller is a bad bad idea

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[R]:

well my onboard usb is via

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[R]:

and it sucks big time

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[R]:

so getting a pci card tghats via defeats the purpose

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clever:

the usb on my via card is turned 90 degrees

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clever:

so the metal for the pci slots is in the way

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clever:

cant even use them:P

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[R]:

http://www.meritline.com/5port-usb-pci-card---p-37960.aspx

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[R]:

that one is nec...

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clever:

yeah, the ports on that are turned the 'correct' way

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clever:

but it cant handle as many

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[R]:

well looks like ebay has usb controllers for $3.80

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[R]:

they got this swap meet here... i'll check out the prcies there and then probably just get it on ebay

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Gumby:

anyone here ever had issues with hdmi passthroug and awful noises coming through the audio?

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Gumby:

As soon as X starts the noises start but if I play something that has audio, the noises stop until whatever I am playing is stopped

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akston:

anyone know where the frontend configuration is stored? i messed up my frontend settings and now the frontend hangs/crashes and i need to start over.

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[R]:

Gumby: sounds like the chip that is doing the sound is crap

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[R]:

akston: in the databae

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[R]:

database*

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clever:

akston: if you change the hostname (either fully, or tell mythfrontend a fake one), it will think its a new box and use the defaults

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Gumby:

[R]: its nvidia audio, shouldnt be a big deal

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[R]:

that doesn't negate its crappyness

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akston:

[R], clever, thanks.

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[R]:

nothing should be going on the line if the audio is idle

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Gumby:

[R]: who is to say its the chip causing the issue? It could be something thinking it needs to send audio. It only happens when using the passthrough

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clever:

as root

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clever:

Gumby: ls -l /proc/*/fd/*|grep dev/snd

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clever:

that will list everything using the alsa dev nodes

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clever:

its a little more ugly then lsof, but you dont need lsof installed

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Gumby:

lrwx------ 1 terry terry 64 2010-01–03 22:14 /proc/3379/fd/3 -> /dev/snd/controlC0

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Gumby:

lrwx------ 1 terry terry 64 2010-01–03 22:14 /proc/4386/fd/9 -> /dev/snd/controlC0

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Gumby:

thats it when the noises occour

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clever:

ok, then pid 3379 and 4386 are doing something

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clever:

ps aux|egrep '3379|4386'

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clever:

though control sounds more like mixer controls then actual audio playback

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Gumby:

alsamixer and xfce4-volumed. I doubt its xfce4-volumed because it also happens in fluxbox

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clever:

and those are the kinds of programs that can never play audio, they only interface with the mixer controls

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[R]:

it could be that they are setting something on the mixer controls

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[R]:

that causes it to start outputting stuff

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clever:

but why is it going away when something plays

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Gumby:

I tried killing both and the sound still happens (which I assume was expected)

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[R]:

because now there is real audio going through it

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[R]:

before there was nothing going through it

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clever:

if nothing is going thru it, then nothing should be comming out

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[R]:

thats what i said

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Gumby:

if I adjust the master volume, the noise stops for exactly 10 seconds

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Gumby:

(in alsamixer)

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Gumby:

same with a few other channels

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Gumby:

even dmesg > /dev/dsp stops it

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clever:

try cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp

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Gumby:

same, stops the noise for 10 seconds

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Gumby:

after its finished or I stop it

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clever:

id expect it to cause even more 'proper' random noise

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Gumby:

well, it does

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Gumby:

I mean after it is stopped, there is 10 seconds before the other undesired noise starts

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clever:

ah

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Gumby:

could it be trying to passthrough 5.1 audio but I only have stereo and that is where the noise is coming from?

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[R]:

if nothing is playing

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[R]:

its not passing anything

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[R]:

(theoretically)

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Gumby:

it doesnt happen when I just use the regular audio output jack. I guess I'll just use thet for now

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Gumby:

that

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Gumby:

thx for the help guys

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bobobob:

anyone get directv remote to control mythtv?

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[R]:

bobobob: depending on the reciever you are using... any r emote will work

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bobobob:

I've been using a harmony, but now with the directv remote with aux1 and aux2, it seems silly to continue. Just not sure what to set the aux1 to to get the ball rolling...

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bobobob:

I am using the homemade IR reciever connected to the serial port

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[R]:

a serial receiver can work with any code

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clever:

aslong as the carrier freq is in the general area for your ir receiver chip

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cheriff:

hi, i have mythweb mostly running on lighttpd, except am getting 403's on the pl/stream/xxx/yyy.asx are there any obvious things to check?

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cheriff:

mythweb.pl and /mythtv/* are all readable by the httpd user

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cheriff:

oh my ENV isnt being set correctly for the perl scripts, causing (i think) the DB conenction to fail. does anyone know how to set that up in lighthttpd.conf?

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cheriff:

if i manually paste the SELECT into a mysql window it returns correct data

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wagnerrp:

anyone else starting to get annoyed by all this 'multicast' talk on the -users list?

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wagnerrp:

i mean they dont even understand what theyre saying

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wagnerrp:

the hardware that probably 99% of myth users have is just going to broadcast every bit of multicast traffic to the whole network, we may as well just go back to using hubs

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lozarythmic:

hooray! i love hubs. they're so.. uncomplicated!

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sid3windr:

igmp snooping ftw

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jduggan:

geek

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jduggan:

;]

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sid3windr:

:(

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** sid3windr snoops jduggan **

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Elwell:

hey folks, this isn't myth specific but you probably know more TV stuff – Recently got a samsung LED TV but it's showing blue patches where it was once black (as we watch tv – ie they move around not screen burn in or dead pixels) – see http://www.flickr.com/photos/elwell/tags/deadtv/

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Elwell:

likely to be a fault? (rather than kids selecting some wierd menu option)

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lozarythmic:

i've got a samsung LED, afaik there's no "show wierd blue patches" menu option :)

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Elwell:

damn – thats what I feared :-)

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lozarythmic:

sorry to be the bearer of bad news!

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Elwell:

I tried resetting the modes back to default – both std and dynamic

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Elwell:

related Q tho – do you have overscan with HDMI input on myth?

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lozarythmic:

alas my myth box isn't connected to the samsung telly :/

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Elwell:

np

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Elwell:

I'm using the built in DLNA client but (unsuprisingly for embedded stuff) it sucks a bit

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lozarythmic:

yup!

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Elwell:

but I discovered that renaming .mkv to .avi meant they play happily :-)

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lozarythmic:

wow, really??

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lozarythmic:

i need to try that!

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Elwell:

well, certainly for greys anatomy series 5 :-)

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MythLang:

hi

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MythLang:

a quick question

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MythLang:

how can I translate MythTV in my language?

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MythLang:

I couldn't find any info on official page

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MythLang:

nevermind that

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MythLang:

found it :)

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ope:

I started my X11 using startx and run ratpoison as WM (for my thtv box). Anyway, If I put a USB stick into it's not mounted. Isn't mount done by hal???

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Fleck:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5882 << is this patch included in mythtv 23034 ?

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Fleck:

iamlindoro ?

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sid3windr:

ope: no, it's not, afaik

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ope:

is there a way to auto mount to /media/usbdiskwirjout gnome,kde – with ratpoison? MythGallery scans inside /media/{cdrom,ubdisk} ....

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Fleck:

sid3windr ok does mythtv supports dvb-s2 ?\

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[Peter]:

Fleck: 0.22 supports dvb-s2

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Fleck:

23034 too?

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[Peter]:

is that trunk?

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sid3windr:

is that 0.22 is what you need to ask =)

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[Peter]:

it is, apparently.

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[Peter]:

so it should work

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Fleck:

well i can't find any S2 channels, and if i can then they do not work ;/

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psofa:

hello what vdpau deinterlacing does advanced 2x enable? i suppose temporal_spatial right?Im reading about the gt210 in the ml it says it can barely do advanced 2x.....If its just temporal_spatial and it can do temporal fine i got no problem with it since theres no so much of a difference

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patdk-wk:

psofa: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU

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[Peter]:

Fleck: do they work with scan-s2 and szap-s2?

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Fleck:

yeah usin scan-s2

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ober321:

hi

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zkab:

installing mythtv 0.22 from source ... have a dvb-s2 card... after ./configure I get 'DVB support yes [/usr/include]' but line after tells me 'DVB-S" support no' ... how can I get DVB-S2 support

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zkab:

sorry ... it should be 'but line after tells me 'DVB-S2 support no'

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[Peter]:

zkab: you need to provide --dvb-path to configure

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[Peter]:

zkab: should be the include dir in your S2 driver tree

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ober321:

i have a problem with my mythbuntu ... the card skystar 2.8 works with xine and a channels.conf, I can watch some channels. but when I want to tune for channels in mythtv-backend setup, it doesn't work ... I cant import a channels.conf or do a complete scan ...do you have any tips?

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ober321:

i can't find any useful in the log files ...

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zkab:

ok – i am installing it on a debian kernel 2.6.26 ... the driver is supported in 2.6.32 (on my other computer) ... can I get it from there

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[Peter]:

zkab: no, but you can get it from linuxtv.org

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iamlindoro:

zkab, S2 support in MythTV requires 2.6.31 or later

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iamlindoro:

It is not enough to build the modules, your kernel version must be new enough

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[Peter]:

iamlindoro: not if you install the drivers from linuxtv.org

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iamlindoro:

[Peter], incorrect

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zkab:

Peter: oops – then I will move the card to my 2.6.32 box – thanks

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[Peter]:

$ uname -r

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[Peter]:

2.6.29-2–686

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[Peter]:

iamlindoro: that has been running dvb-s2 for 8 months

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iamlindoro:

[Peter], Not in myth it hasn't

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[Peter]:

iamlindoro: "ok"

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[Peter]:

iamlindoro: it's running it right now?

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[Peter]:

iamlindoro: 0.22+fixes

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iamlindoro:

a) we haven't have DVB-S2 support for 8 months, b) the above information comes from the author of the support

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iamlindoro:

but sure, enjoy

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[Peter]:

iamlindoro: the patch has been in trac for 8 months

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iamlindoro:

[Peter], That patch wasn't used

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[Peter]:

iamlindoro: I know that, but I was using trunk+that patch before the official support got in there

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iamlindoro:

[Peter], Therefore that patch has no bearing on what's in .22

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[Peter]:

iamlindoro: no, but I am using 0.22+fixes right now

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[Peter]:

iamlindoro: installing the linuxtv drivers replaces the DVB subsystem in the kernel

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[Peter]:

iamlindoro: are you stubborn or what? :) it is working just finer

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patdk-wk:

heh, patching the crap out of stuff works, but isn't going be a long term solution

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patdk-wk:

expecially if they already included it, using something else

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[Peter]:

patdk-wk: I'm not using anything patched right now

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[Peter]:

patdk-wk: except for installing newer drivers in the kernel.

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Cubber:

I have one of these cards: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/AVerMedia_M150-D I have got it setup and can get video off of it in tvtime but cannot seem to get any audio from it. I have tried the xawtv mute fix and it did not work. I was trying to get the card setup right first before I install mythtv.

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Cubber:

I am able to cat /dev/video2 to an mpeg file. And view the video from /dev/video1 in tvtime. I have an old bt878 card on /dev/video0 that works perfectly in tvtime as well

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GreyFoxx:

oh joy, my master backend is starting to show signs of failing ram

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wagnerrp:

hopefully not DDR1

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GreyFoxx:

I believe it is :)

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GreyFoxx:

some ddr333 sticks in there or some such

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sid3windr:

what's wrong with DDR1?

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patdk-wk:

it's expensive :)

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devinheitmueller:

Cubber: tvtime does not support audio playback.

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devinheitmueller:

Cubber: that's why you were seeing video but no audio.

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: maybe you can fix it with multicast

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Cubber:

devinheitmueller: ahh ok my bt878 goes through the soundcard but the M150-D is mpeg

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GreyFoxx:

I can fix anything with multicast :)

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Cubber:

devinheitmueller: how do I test the sound on the blackbird device?

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devinheitmueller:

Cubber: the M150-D can do raw video too.

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Cubber:

devinheitmueller: yup it has /dev/video1 and /dev/video2

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: thats sure what the -users list seems to think

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devinheitmueller:

Cubber: ... however tvtime cannot play MPEG, nor can it do ALSA audio when doing raw video.

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Cubber:

devinheitmueller: I can test the raw video from /dev/video1 fine in tvtime but /dev/video2 as you say does not work cause of mpeg but I can record it with cat to a file

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patdk-wk:

I would say if doing a dd /dev/video2 to mpeg, and mpeg has audio, it works :)

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sid3windr:

patdk-wk: I have a lot of cheap sticks lying around! :p

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devinheitmueller:

Cubber: tvtime currently *only* does audio with devices that have a line-out connected to speakers. I'm working on that (see http://kernellabs.com/blog for more info on that)

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GreyFoxx:

multicast would help with keeping everyone in sync with a single stream. Though it will cause people who don't know better a lot of issues

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Cubber:

devinheitmueller but still no audio, so how do I get the audio working or tested so I can proceed with the mythtv install?

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GreyFoxx:

watch your wireless laptop;'s connection die when your PC's start multicasting video :)

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devinheitmueller:

Well, if you write the MPEG to a file, you should be able to play it back with mplayer and there should be audio.

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patdk-wk:

why would my wireless laptop die on multicast video?

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Cubber:

devinheitmueller: my goal is to use the bt878 in tvtime for livetv and use the M150-D for recording with mythtv

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Cubber:

devinheitmueller: just get video when I cat it to a file

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patdk-wk:

it shouldn't, as it can handle 15MB/s

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devinheitmueller:

Cubber: Well, that indeed is not good then.

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devinheitmueller:

Could be a driver problem.

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wagnerrp:

patdk-wk: because any hardware youre going to buy for under $500 is going to turn multicast right into broadcast

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GreyFoxx:

patdk-wk: Yeah, but as soon as you start watching multiple streams on your TV's thety will be sucking up the wireless BW too, and most users do NOT get great speed off wireless

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wagnerrp:

and flood the airwaves with data even if no one on wireless wants it

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patdk-wk:

ya, but HD is only 2MB/s

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Cubber:

devinheitmueller will pastebin modules and dmesg in a sec for you on the M150-D

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wagnerrp:

yeah but 2MB/s will flood G

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GreyFoxx:

and then add in the cheap wireless ap just can't handle it

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patdk-wk:

heh, probably a good thing I have my wifi on a seperate broadcast domain (network) from the others

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GreyFoxx:

Mine is physically seperated. Comes in on a different NIC in my firewall so broadcasts do not pass

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GreyFoxx:

and I can rain in the wireless users more :)

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Cubber:

devinheitmueller: dmesg http://pastebin.com/mb0a2c3c

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patdk-wk:

mine is all vlan, 7 vlans in my house

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wagnerrp:

now you might actually have the hardware to do multicast properly

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devinheitmueller:

cx88[0]/2-bb: ERROR: API Mailbox timeout cx88[0]/2-bb: ERROR: Mailbox appears to be in use (7)

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Cubber:

devinheitmueller: lsmod | grep cx http://pastebin.com/m74cacb51

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devinheitmueller:

Cubber: ^

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devinheitmueller:

Cubber: you probably need to report this to the linux-media mailing list. Looks like a driver problem.

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wagnerrp:

i dont know of any cheap hardware that does VLAN filtering either

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patdk-wk:

all my mythtv backend/frontends are on a jumbo packet network :)

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patdk-wk:

my only issue is I want to use 16k packets, but can't loate a switch that supports it

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Cubber:

devinheitmueller I saw those , could I be using the wrong firmware? The guide said to use the ones provided with ivtv-firmware

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wagnerrp:

well im using jumbo frames too, but my switches are still dirt cheap crap

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devinheitmueller:

Cubber: Oh, and you are getting an oops at the bottom. Yeah, you need to talk to linux-media.

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devinheitmueller:

Cubber: re the firmware, I could not say.

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Cubber:

devinheitmueller: where is the best place to talk to them? linux-media irc on freenode?

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devinheitmueller:

Cubber: linux-media is a mailing list. http://linuxtv.org/lists.php

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devinheitmueller:

There is also a #linuxtv channel which you might have limited luck with depending on who is on.

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patdk-wk:

wagnerrp, I guess it helps I use my house for a testbed for the company network stuff

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devinheitmueller:

I would suggest the mailing list though.

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patdk-wk:

so I have equipment to play with and support doing stuff like that

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Cubber:

devinheitmueller ok thanks, so those errors are deffinitly borking my audio then?

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devinheitmueller:

Cubber: hard to say, but it is highly likely – and you definitely need to address those before you could expect to use the board in production.

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Cubber:

devinheitmueller: ok thanks for your time and input, I will head on over to the list.

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psofa:

anyone knows if an nvidia 9500 can do spdif passthrough over dvi?Ive got a dvi->hdmi cable and my soundcard's spdif works fine

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psofa:

also if optical-analog spdif output mode matters

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wagnerrp:

does your 9500 have a SPDIF header?

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psofa:

wagnerrp, yes i already connected it

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psofa:

however i cant hear anything :(

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wagnerrp:

if it has that header, then it should be able to do passthrough

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psofa:

are all dvi-hdmi cables the same regarding audio passthrough, or some could be cutting it out or something

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wagnerrp:

additionally, there is no such thing as analog spdif

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psofa:

wagnerrp, i mean spdif over rca

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wagnerrp:

and ive never seen a video card that accepts an optical input

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wagnerrp:

as far as DVI vs. HDMI, its all just data sent in a multiplexed bitstream

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wagnerrp:

so if your cards TMDS transmitters support sending audio, thats all that matters

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wagnerrp:

the connector does not

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psofa:

wagnerrp, so theres no way that for example the video card cuts audio for dvi and not hdmi

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wagnerrp:

do you have both types of ports on that card?

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psofa:

yes

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wagnerrp:

then likely it will only work over the HDMI port

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wagnerrp:

why would you be using a DVI-HDMI adapter if you already have an HDMI port???

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psofa:

wagnerrp, the prev video card didnt have hdmi :)

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npm:

re spdif: (1) make sure pulseaudio hasn't grabbed the output (disable the HDMI port in sound preferences); (2) make sure you've selected the spdif output and not analog; (3) check your bitrate, e.g. 44.1/48K old spdif in vs. a higher sample rate being output

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npm:

for example my asus m4a78t-e has two sound channels: HDA-Intel – HDA ATI SB and HDA-Intel – HDA ATI HDMI ... so make sure pulseaudio binds only "SB" and then leave HDMI available for music and video output via ALSA or JACK

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npm:

also, i've found this helpful for making pulseaudio not step all over my high-quality audio outs (optical out-> 50 ft cable -> coax-spdif-conv -> TC electronics finalizer)

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wagnerrp:

npm: it makes no difference, because mythtv disables pulse anyway

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wagnerrp:

its not bound to any interface by the time myth gets around to using it

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npm:

yeah i've had to work around that

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npm:

since i want pulseaudio working for all my regular desktop sounds

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npm:

disabling pulse is a heavy handed approach IMHO — just because most OSs set it up wrong

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npm:

but in these days where comps have HDMI audio and regular audio, there's no reason to have to worry about confllics... just setup one output for "pulseaudio desktop sounds" and another for HDMI. e.g. http://nielsmayer.com/xwiki/bin/view/fedora10 . . . audioDefault

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DjMadness:

Is there any way to mass download meta data ? i've tried manually, however ive got over 7000 movie/series files, and it would take forever to do each one manually

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wagnerrp:

jamu in interactive mode

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RDV_Linux:

DjMadness: Please follow the jamu wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu

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DjMadness:

RDV_Linux: will do :)

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RDV_Linux:

DjMadness: That number of videos will still take a long time. Speed is depending on the ability for Jamu to parse your video file names and match them against the TMDB and TVDB metadata sources. Jamu will do its best at guessing but increased interaction happens when it cannot just guess.

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DjMadness:

RDV_Linux: does not matter if it takes some hours... its still faster than manually doing it :)

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DjMadness:

was starting to feel like an idiot... same commands over and over again (i've ofcource made sure filenames were nice and good)

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RDV_Linux:

DjMadness: Well I hope so or Jamu's value drops off rather rapidly;) If you have well formed name you could do your first run be letter Jamu just guess by using the options -MGV then do a second run with the options -MIV to catch the ones that could not be guessed.

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RDV_Linux:

s/be letter/by letting/

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DjMadness:

ah okeys

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RDV_Linux:

That trick is not in the wiki.

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RDV_Linux:

Jamu may make some wrong guesses that you would have to straighten out later but with such a large collection it may help you.

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DjMadness:

ah i see, thanks for your help :)

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DjMadness:

ye, does not matter with a few mistakes, that can be sorted manually :)

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DjMadness:

and ill check with interactive after

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RDV_Linux:

DjMadness: You can abort (CTRL-C a few times) Jamu at any time without fear of any database corruption. Run the -MGV option for a few minutes. Abort it and check that it is working fine then restart it again with -MGV if everything is OK.

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DjMadness:

sounds great :) guess it only updates the database at the end

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RDV_Linux:

DjMadness: No it updates the data base per processing one video file at a time. When restart Jamu it will pick up at the last un-updated video file.

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DjMadness:

ah i see... well its getting there the updates... just gonna take some time... thank you for your help :)

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RDV_Linux:

DjMadness: np, The most hassle people have is making sure their Video and image directories are set so Jamu recognizes them properly. Jamu will be reading your Myth db for those directories it will NOT use any directories set in a jamu.conf file for any MythTV options that start with the -M.

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DjMadness:

ah okeys... well i've tested it on the files its allready processed... it seams to be working fine here :)

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RDV_Linux:

DjMadness: Good hope things work out.

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iamlindoro:

The MythMusic feature requests just keep on coming

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wagnerrp:

maybe we can put some multicast in mythmusic!

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iamlindoro:

wheeee!

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iamlindoro:

It's not even that all of the feature requests are invalid-- a couple of them are okay-- it's just not what was asked for

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iamlindoro:

However, I think the idea of having to do your playlists in another program is monumentally stupid

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iamlindoro:

It's one thing to want to be able to import playlist formats, it's another to say creating playlists has no place in MythMusic, which is just silly

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wagnerrp:

can you share playlists between mythweb and mythmusic?

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wagnerrp:

i mean theres your external program right there

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iamlindoro:

TBH I'm never done a lot of MythMusi cin MythWeb

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iamlindoro:

er I've

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iamlindoro:

Sure looks like it, though

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iamlindoro:

Yep, a cursory glance seems to have created one

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wagnerrp:

genius

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gbee:

hmm, 'sacha' is being very careful not to mention softcam, but IMHO there's little reason to be using a Dreambox otherwise

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iamlindoro:

He's also being very careful not to use the "preview" button

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gbee:

fwiw, I said asking users about mythmusic was a bad idea – not only are we inundated with unwanted feature requests and mindless rubbish, even inviting debate has driven up hopes and expectations to a level that will never be met

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gbee:

people who would have been extremely happy with the port before will now be disappointed because their ideas weren't included

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iamlindoro:

Those are the same people who don't understand the difference between theme and UI, though

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gbee:

think I'll create my own personal mythmusic, never to be released

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iamlindoro:

the ones who look at the watch recordings screen in the current themes and say "Ugh, it can't show the disk space, it sucks!"

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wagnerrp:

of course if you tell users to 'fork off and write your own', theyll just get offended

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iamlindoro:

If only I understood community

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iamlindoro:

But instead I'm just a ticket locking member of the Gestapo

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kormoc:

If only I understood OSS...

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iamlindoro:

Quite the New Years gift to be called a member of the Gestapo and hateful of community if one week :)

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iamlindoro:

s/if/in/

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gbee:

you just can't ask users for their input to OSS, it never goes well

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wagnerrp:

one hour on hold with the IRS and counting...

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wagnerrp:

i wonder what their yearly toll-free bill is

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: it's free, they just threaten to audit if they get a bill

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: ;-)

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wagnerrp:

sounds like its time to get out the trench boots and stomp some people, that will teach them

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iamlindoro:

The "hates community" thing really bugged me

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** wagnerrp goes back to the elevator music **

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iamlindoro:

Not that we've turned everything around, but I've gone to serious personal effort to try to get people involved in addition to my own work on things

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Locked a thread for a "me-too" and a user sent a rant about it to all the lists

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iamlindoro:

messaged ended with "Whatever happened to 'community??'"

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iamlindoro:

FWIW I think community is supposed to be a group of people pulling together, not a small group of people dragging everyone else uphill

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iamlindoro:

Like an Amish Barnraising if you invited the cast of The Real World

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** kormoc laughs **

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wagnerrp:

'our representatives are still helping other customers, please continue to hold'.... wait a minute, who exactly are the customers of the IRS?

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: No, you are wrong. Community is "a small group of people doing all the work for the benefit of a huge community of thankless users.

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Oh! Then our community is AWESOME!

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superm1:

iamlindoro, are you trying to round up more developers, or what exactly?

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devinheitmueller:

indeed.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: the people and companies of the united states of america

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kormoc:

devinheitmueller knows the true meaning of OSS

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iamlindoro:

superm1: You mean right now, or in general?

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** devinheitmueller wonders if superm1 is a developer looking to volunteer... **

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superm1:

iamlindoro, both I suppose.

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superm1:

devinheitmueller, i've got about 3 patches that i submitted that haven't been reviewed

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iamlindoro:

Yes, in general it is my hope to bring in a rapid infusion of fresh blood/new developers, and to build a theming community that is self-sustaining

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: superml is already one of the devs on mythbuntu

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Ah. Apologies. My mistake.

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superm1:

iamlindoro, so i'd like to think the best way to encourage new blood is to have different bars of entry, and try to document what's involved for each and how to get started in that area

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iamlindoro:

Theming community is slowly but surely taking on a bit of life, but far from self-sustaining yet, the dev thing takes trust, but that means encouraging people to see their work through until they are recognized by name/work

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iamlindoro:

superm1: Well, if there were established bars for entry, they'd be a lot easier to document

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superm1:

true :)

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iamlindoro:

Right now it relies on someone to suggest a name, and for enough people to be personally familiar with their work that they can vote for them

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iamlindoro:

all of which assumes people actually take the time to vote/comment at all

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superm1:

this is what the normal ubuntu development (not mythbuntu yet) community has been doing and improving upon for a while. they're always getting new blood because of it from what i can tell

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iamlindoro:

Well, the dev community is too insular, but we also have a lot of people with unrealistic expectations (ie, they want their patches reviewed now now now)

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iamlindoro:

the only way to satisfy both is to get enough new people on the inside that we can more expeditiously review tickets

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iamlindoro:

Claviceps-- wherever you are flooding, cut it out. This is annoying.

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superm1:

does trac allow permissions sanctioned to different areas of the project?

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iamlindoro:

Possibly with a plugin, but it's not trac you would worry about, it's SVN

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superm1:

if you can get someone who is submitting good work on a particular area, give them permissions to that area, and then work forward

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superm1:

ah right

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iamlindoro:

which does allow for permission enforcement with commit hooks

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superm1:

well that could lower the bar for entry if someone can at least prove themselves there

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iamlindoro:

That has already all been discussed and is our policy

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iamlindoro:

Still need to get people doing work and doing good enough work that they are noteworthy, then someone has to suggest them

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iamlindoro:

then, as mentioned, enough people have to have personally reviewed their work to vote for them

[18:54:08]

iamlindoro:

and even when someone is successfully voted in, motivating people to actually contact them and set up the SVN access can prove troubling

[18:54:14]

iamlindoro:

s/troubling/problematic/

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iamlindoro:

It's all a chicken or egg problem

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iamlindoro:

only way to get someone in is to have a bunch of people proactive and personally familiar enough to suggest and vote for them

[18:55:30]

iamlindoro:

only way to have enough people to vote is to get more people in

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superm1:

haha

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devinheitmueller:

The reality is I don't think this is a problem with permissions partitioning in svn. It's about finding developers you can trust. Once you find a developer you can trust, you generally let them access everything since it's not worth the cost of dealing with the permissions issues.

[18:57:15]

iamlindoro:

All that said, I take the point that it needs to be clearer how to get involved/get access

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iamlindoro:

the trouble is that personality conflicts/personal opinions/how easy someone is to work with make it not as clear cut as all that

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iamlindoro:

(for better or worse)

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sid3windr:

http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Integer-Cache.aspx

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Cubber:

whats better for a file system for my tv recording partition? ext2 or ext3?

[19:31:14]

Cubber:

basically to journal or not to journal?

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wagnerrp:

is there a third option?

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Cubber:

not on my system

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Cubber:

only set it up to use ext2 or ext3

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wagnerrp:

why not?

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Cubber:

I could add whatever

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Cubber:

whats best?

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iamlindoro:

XFS, JFS, take your pick

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Cubber:

just gotta rebuild the kenrnel

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wagnerrp:

just load a new FS module for whatever

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wagnerrp:

i use JFS, i know XFS is popular

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Cubber:

what makes those better?

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wagnerrp:

no real opinion which one is better

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Cubber:

besides opinion

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wagnerrp:

delete performance

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wagnerrp:

ext3 can take tens of seconds to delete a large multi-GB recording

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wagnerrp:

at which point the filesystem is deadlocked

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Cubber:

what about ext2

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Cubber:

since it has no journal

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wagnerrp:

ext2 has exactly the same limitations, but with no journal, and all the issues that arise from lack of consistency

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Cubber:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

if you must use one or the other, use 3, and enable 'slow deletes' in mythtv

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Cubber:

ok thanks

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wagnerrp:

it slowly truncates the file so you dont lock up the system

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wagnerrp:

i think a couple people are using ext4 now, now that ubuntu supports it by default

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know if it has any of the same issues as ext3

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Cubber:

I will just setup using ext3 for now and test other systems out later after I get mythtv up and running.

[19:35:05]

wagnerrp:

and then there are a few ignorant souls running btrfs, disregarding the repeated warnings that you will lose data

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Cubber:

any special permissions I need on the partition? Setting it up as /var/tv?

[19:36:24]

wagnerrp:

permissions to break standard convention

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Cubber:

?, I mean user permissions? I know gentoo ebuild adds a user called mythtv by default

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend needs read/write permissions

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wagnerrp:

whatever user is running mythbackend, give them to it

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Cubber:

so mythtv to own the recording folder

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wagnerrp:

the user running mythbackend to own the recording folder

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wagnerrp:

ideally, but you dont even need to own it, just have read/write permissions

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Cubber:

ebulid just finished and ended with this: Your recordings folder must be owned by the user 'mythtv' now

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Cubber:

guess that answers it hehe

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wagnerrp:

hes still at it.. eh?

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wagnerrp:

hes only in this channel

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wagnerrp:

anyway, i really dont like when people store their recordings in /var... it just seems wrong to me

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wagnerrp:

but again, thats personal preference

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Cubber:

where do you recommend

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Cubber:

I just put it there cause its variable data

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wagnerrp:

but its not

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Cubber:

but it really is its own lvm2 volume group

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wagnerrp:

its largely write ones, and store for years

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wagnerrp:

s/ones/once/

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iamlindoro:

youch lvm

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wagnerrp:

you probably shouldnt be using lvm for mythtv recordings

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Cubber:

laggy

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Cubber:

?

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wagnerrp:

no, low performance

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wagnerrp:

high fragmentation

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wagnerrp:

give mythtv the disks individually, and let it load balance on its own

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Cubber:

would if I had a system to totally dedicate to mythtv, but I need this for other things and needed to clump the drives together with lvm2

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wagnerrp:

why?

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Cubber:

I know its not an ideal setup but I am mainly just getting the feel for how it all works right now until I can afford newer hardware

[19:44:06]

wagnerrp:

until very recently, i was still running a 80GB disk on my desktop

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wagnerrp:

if youve got one or two smaller disks, give them to mythtv for recordings

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Cubber:

I do have a 160 gig usb hard drive attached that is not part of the lvm

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wagnerrp:

use the rest for bulk storage of your other data

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wagnerrp:

ive got a 5TB array for bulk storage, but just gave myth a handful of old 300GB drives for recordings

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Cubber:

so would /home/mythtv/recordings be a better place?

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wagnerrp:

i think /srv is actually the 'correct' location

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wagnerrp:

i just use /mnt for everything

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Cubber:

lol you call 300G old, I am using 3 120 gig IDE drives in LVM2 to get 300+ gig on this machine

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wagnerrp:

home is probably fine too

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Cubber:

the build made a directory called /home/mythtv

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Cubber:

since it created the user

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wagnerrp:

300GB is old, theyre pulled from my old array from 2005

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Cubber:

yah I know its old, just giving you an idea of what I am working with here.

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wagnerrp:

youll end up with significantly better performance and reliability just spending $65 or so and picking up a TB drive on sale

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Cubber:

I am sure I would, but I don't have the extra cash to get new parts right now. And when I do I am building a quad core tower to replace this aging athalon xp machine.

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patdk-wk:

heh

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patdk-wk:

I just load up 1tb and 2tb into my server

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patdk-wk:

formatted without even a partitiontable, find that a useless waste of 64 sectors

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patdk-wk:

that 32k of space can be better utilized :)

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joliver:

Hey can anyone point me to a FAQ or HOWTO that addresses building my own QAM PVR?

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wagnerrp:

you do understand that the use of QAM will likely limit you to nothing more than you would get over an antenna anyway, right?

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joliver:

Right

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joliver:

I can't use an antenna

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joliver:

I have Time warner cable and would like to timeshift HD programming

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joliver:

And yes, I know I probably can't get much more than major networks ;-)

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wagnerrp:

check silicondust.org to see what you should expect to get in your area

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wagnerrp:

they have lineups available, searchable by zip code

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wagnerrp:

aside from that, just follow the mythtv documentation on setting up mythtv with a digital tuner

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joliver:

silicondust.org isn't resolving for me...

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wagnerrp:

.com, sorry

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joliver:

Ahh, thx

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joliver:

Is there something that I can use to find out what cards are available, which I should use, other hardware considerations, etc?

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wagnerrp:

see linuxtv.org for hardware support

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gimli:

hello

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wagnerrp:

any supported 'dvb' device should work under mythtv

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wagnerrp:

see http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview for some initial hardware considerations

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wagnerrp:

and an explination how mythtv functions

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joliver:

Would KnoppMyth or something like that "just work" out-of-the-box with an HD card?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know of any distro that works 'out-of-the-box'

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dubstar_04:

does anyone use mythfrontend on a mac?

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wagnerrp:

however if all your hardware is set detected and functioning properly by your distro

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joliver:

Um, I thought there were some distros on CD that you could boot from and be off and running

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wagnerrp:

you can have mythtv up and running in under five minutes, plus whatever it takes to do a channel scan

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wagnerrp:

the frontend requires no setup

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wagnerrp:

but the backend still requires you to define your tuners, define your video sources, specify storage paths, scan for channels

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joliver:

Gotcha

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Cubber:

I am now able to watch live tv in mythtv and hear sound however the video is a bit grainy and choppy, and the audio is slow and makes people sound like deamons

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wagnerrp:

digital or analog?

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Cubber:

using mpeg M150-D

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Cubber:

Avermedia

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wagnerrp:

try going into the video profiles and cranking up the bitrate

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wagnerrp:

also, audio problems are usually the result of not recording at 48khz

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Cubber:

ok will check that in a few, gotta step away a sec someone just showed up at my house

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martin__:

has anyone had success with mythVodka and the bbc iplayer....

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Cubber:

wagnerrp where do I set those options I just went through the frontend and backend settings and did not find them

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wagnerrp:

frontend options, dont remember where

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iamlindoro:

martin__: MythVodka won't even compile against current MythTV so it's sort of a moot point

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** patdk-wk does mythvodka every night **

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patdk-wk:

cubber, settings, tv settings, recording profiles, each profile, adjust bitrates :)

[20:59:34]

patdk-wk:

I'm lazy, and use 8mbit video, 16mbit video burst, and 48khz audio at 320kbit

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wagnerrp:

for your mpeg tuners?

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patdk-wk:

for mpeg sd tuners

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wagnerrp:

i didnt think the PVRs ran up to 16mbps

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wagnerrp:

i thought they peaked at 12mbps or something

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patdk-wk:

you have two scales, avg bitrate, and max bitrate

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patdk-wk:

mine go up to 16mbit, always have since .19

[21:00:58]

patdk-wk:

I think in .15 also, not sure

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patdk-wk:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Parameters

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Cubber:

patdk-wk thanks I found those options

[21:03:16]

Cubber:

patdk-wk right now the livetv setting is 4500 and 6000 respectivly, I have only tested watch tv at the moment and am getting the issue there.

[21:03:26]

Cubber:

patdk-wk should I bump these up and how much?

[21:03:34]

patdk-wk:

I noticed a large quality difference between 5mbit and 8mbit

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patdk-wk:

I run max, cause I transcode most things down

[21:03:50]

patdk-wk:

and if you record crappy, the resulting transcode is horrid

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patdk-wk:

where if you record the best you can, the resulting transcode is good, and even smaller

[21:04:24]

patdk-wk:

plus, having disk space to burn helps

[21:04:53]

patdk-wk:

I found 3mbit to be usable, and slightly blocky

[21:05:01]

patdk-wk:

5mbit to be good for watching

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patdk-wk:

8bit to be better than 5bit only if you do a side be side compare

[21:05:18]

patdk-wk:

but just transcoding made the difference then

[21:05:42]

patdk-wk:

but that is testing using a pvr-350 and hvr-1600

[21:06:10]

patdk-wk:

my recording are about 8.6mbit, including audio

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Claviceps:

http://www.hauppauge.com/

[21:06:11]

Claviceps:

http://www.hauppauge.com/

[21:06:11]

Claviceps:

http://www.hauppauge.com/

[21:06:12]

Claviceps:

http://www.hauppauge.com/

[21:06:12]

Claviceps:

http://www.hauppauge.com/

[21:06:13]

Claviceps:

http://www.hauppauge.com/

[21:06:13]

Claviceps:

http://www.hauppauge.com/

[21:06:15]

Claviceps:

http://www.hauppauge.com/

[21:06:17]

Claviceps:

http://www.hauppauge.com/

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Claviceps:

http://www.hauppauge.com/

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Cubber:

patdk-wk oddly adjusting the bitrate helped my audio but not video

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Cubber:

patdk-wk audio was already set to 48k/384 no change there

[21:06:59]

Cubber:

patdk-wk bumped video up to 8 and 16

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jst:

Does anyone know if hybrid tuners (ex: Hauppauge 1600) can record two signals at the same time?

[21:07:06]

iamlindoro:

Claviceps: You have got to learn how to use IRC, you are pretty close to getting a temporary ban

[21:07:10]

patdk-wk:

jst, mine does

[21:07:29]

jst:

patdk-wk, cool, thanks.

[21:07:35]

patdk-wk:

jst, now it can only do 1sd and 1hd at the same time

[21:07:38]

jst:

patdk-wk, what cards do you have?

[21:07:52]

patdk-wk:

1 pvr-350, 1 hvr-1600, 1 hvr-2200

[21:08:02]

jst:

Right... I have a 1600 and 1800... Looks like the ATSC crapped out on the 1600 and NTSC never worked right on the 1800. :(

[21:08:20]

patdk-wk:

ya, I don't think drivers where ever made for the 1800

[21:08:31]

patdk-wk:

I get good atsc on the 1600

[21:08:47]

patdk-wk:

but I do know it required me to use my cable, before the amp

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jst:

Before the amp?

[21:09:53]

patdk-wk:

yep

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devinheitmueller:

The 1800 does have issues with analog. The 1600 works fine for both analog and ATSC/QAM, and in fact can record both at the same time.

[21:10:09]

jst:

What do you mean by amp?

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patdk-wk:

http://www.amazon.com/DIGITAL-AMPLIFIER-INTER . . . p/B000F291V2

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jst:

devinheitmueller, I'm thinking about buying another 1600, but I only have 2 PCI slots and a wireless (I know, I know) card is in one already... I'd have to use a USB wireless card or something.

[21:11:09]

jst:

patdk-wk, thanks, I should probably buy one of those anyways.

[21:11:10]

wagnerrp:

wait.... why do you have a 1600 and a 2200?

[21:11:22]

patdk-wk:

me?

[21:11:25]

wagnerrp:

yeah

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patdk-wk:

well, to record 3 channels at the same time :)

[21:11:37]

patdk-wk:

how else would I?

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wagnerrp:

one is NTSC/ATSC, the other is PAL/DVBT

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devinheitmueller:

One thing to bear in mind. If you're trying to use the 1600 for ClearQAM, make sure you get the current code for v4l-dvb, since there are fixes that significantly improve the tuning performance.

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patdk-wk:

heh?

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patdk-wk:

the 2250?

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devinheitmueller:

The 2200 is a DVB-T card. You want the 2250.

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jst:

patdk-wk, that's what I'm reading too.

[21:12:05]

patdk-wk:

ya, 2250 is what it is :)

[21:12:26]

jst:

Does MythTV support 2250 NTSC?

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patdk-wk:

only hd, not sd

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wagnerrp:

not under linux, no

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jst:

:(

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iamlindoro:

you mean "only digital, not analog"

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wagnerrp:

s/hd/digital/

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patdk-wk:

only atsc/qam :)

[21:13:18]

devinheitmueller:

Correct. The 2250 Linux driver supports ATSC/QAM, but not analog.

[21:13:30]

jst:

I'm getting ready to move and I'm thinking about buying an HD-PVR and additional cable box... but all the expenses (both initial investment and monthly rental) are adding up.

[21:13:51]

iamlindoro:

HD-PVRs well worth it

[21:14:00]

iamlindoro:

Now I can record all the low grade softcore pornography I want

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iamlindoro:

in HD!

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** patdk-wk watching iamlindoro connect his cd-i player to his hd-pvr :) **

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iamlindoro:

Not to mention Colbert and TDS in HD starting tonight, huzzah

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Lt_Dan:

i remember hearing talk of scarcity of hd-pvr... did the person that ordered from hauppauge directly get theirs yet?

[21:17:58]

iamlindoro:

I believe so

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patdk-wk:

newegg claims to have them in stock again

[21:18:11]

jst:

iamlindoro, I love MythTV and all, but if I'm going to be paying for a box (in order to use HD-PVR), it kind of begs the question... Why wouldn't I just order a PVR box?

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Lt_Dan:

aah newegg.. once you know... you know... :)

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GreyFoxx:

myth isn't about cheap

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GreyFoxx:

it's about control

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iamlindoro:

jst: Because I want to be able to watch my content wherever and whenever I want, transcode it, archive it, commercial skip, etc?>

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patdk-wk:

pvr boxs are so limited

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jst:

Yeah, I agree... Commercial skip is a godsend.

[21:19:22]

Lt_Dan:

to be able to archive aforementioned softcore....... ;)

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patdk-wk:

heh, to be able to use a usb webcam in pip mode to watch the baby's room :)

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jst:

patdk-wk, is there a plugin for that?

[21:23:21]

flexy:

I've got a problem with fanart/coverart pictures. Actually just those ones that have () in the name. They are not shown. Pics without brackets in the name work fine. Bug? PEBKAC?

[21:24:27]

patdk-wk:

jst, no plugin needed :)

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patdk-wk:

usb webcam is just another mythtv video source :)

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wagnerrp:

flexy: more likely problem with content provider

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wagnerrp:

they should be flogged for using images with parentheses in the name

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patdk-wk:

heh, I use [] in the names all the time :)

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iamlindoro:

if you mean parenthesis and not brackets, they work fine here

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flexy:

wagnerrp: those images are fetched with jamu. and the problem is with those shows that have age limit in brackets... (epg comes with tv_grab_fi

[21:26:27]

wagnerrp:

flexy: do the files actually exist where mythvideo is looking for them?

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iamlindoro:

Example: Battlestar Galactica (2003) Season 1_fanart.jpg

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flexy:

iamlindoro: (K15) as in suggested age limit 15 in the file name

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flexy:

odd...

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iamlindoro:

flexy: Like I said, parenthesis fine here

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flexy:

iamlindoro: right. How can I debug the error on this end?

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wagnerrp:

flexy: do the files actually exist where mythvideo is looking for them?

[21:27:44]

flexy:

yes

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iamlindoro:

turn up the verbosity on your backend and frontend logs and start reading them, presumably

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flexy:

iamlindoro: right.

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iamlindoro:

9 out of 10 issues like this are due to misconfigured locale settings

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iamlindoro:

though a parenthesis should theoretically be fine anywhere

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flexy:

I have en_US.UTF-8 on everything but LC_ALL (which is empty) in locale commands output

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flexy:

is that ok?

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Cubber:

after a reboot I did not need to unmute the card again, seems mythtv took care of it when I went to watch live tv. Sound seems ok now after bitrate adjustments and the only issue i have on the video now is some black on the top and sides that looks like it has some static rolling around in it. Almost like the picture is off center a bit.

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wagnerrp:

Cubber: no, your also settings get stored and reapplied after a reboot

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Cubber:

wagnerrp good to know thanks

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: That should be correct. Although you will want to make sure that it is true for the user account you are running both Jamu and MythVideo.

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: yeah, I checked that it is.

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Can you give an exact video file name example of where you experience that problem. I would test that locally to see if I also get the problem.

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: ok, one moment.

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Molch_:

hi i m using mythtv the first time. i just installed it from the ubuntu 9.10 repos and i m at the channel scanning point now. i m using dvb-s and created a channels.conf with w-scan. when i try to import it i get a error msg : "failed to parse '%1'". i know the vdr confs wont work but the w-scan should...

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: the filename is:Kova laki: Erikoisyksikkö (K15)_fanart.jpg and Kova laki: Erikoisyksikkö (K15)_coverart.jpg and the program name is the same without the _fanart.jpg ending

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jst:

What's the name of the script to automatically download fanart?

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Did you need to specify a language code to get the TV series? (e.g. -l de)

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: -l fi

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flexy:

I'm just in the process of testing with -v important

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Thanks I am checking it out now.

[21:51:25]

RDV_Linux:

flexy: This may take a while as it looks like the TVDB site is either down or very slow right now.

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: jamu has fetched the images, they are just not shown with fe if the image/file name has () in it

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: What iamlindoro told you about brackets not being an issue is correct. I need TVDB access as I want to emulate what you have experienced just to see if I also get a problem.

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iamlindoro:

parenthesis!!!

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sid3windr:

haakskes.

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: yeah, but what ever is causing this, it shows up in a way that file names with () signs don't show up in fanart, coverart

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iamlindoro:

gesundheit

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: I will try it myself when TVDB is available. Right now the site is timing out.

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sid3windr:

:)

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: as I said, jamu gets the pics, they are just not shown on my box. others show, but not the ones with ()

[21:59:34]

RDV_Linux:

flexy: I still need to download the images and have a MythVideo record so I can emulate your experience,

[22:00:52]

flexy:

right

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: Mentalist (K13) behaves the same

[22:04:47]

flexy:

I'll cook up a log to pastebin... takes few minutes

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: As I cannot check for myself at the moment, does TVDB TV Series title in Finish include the (K13)?

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Think he's doing an -MW

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flexy:

yes

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flexy:

to both

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Cubber:

wagnerrp I msg'd you a link to a test recording I did can you look at it and tell me if there is a way to get rid of the black lines that seem to inch their way into the picture from the top and side?

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Well if you are using the -MW option I may have a way to cheat the proper emulation, Be back in a bit.

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: right

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: daily cron has -M, so does weekly cron. hourly cron has -MW.

[22:17:38]

RDV_Linux:

flexy: Weekly has the -MJ options each cron job does different things.

[22:18:03]

iamlindoro:

flexy: what version of Jamu are you using?

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iamlindoro:

./jamu -v

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iamlindoro:

and what filesystem are your images hosted on?

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flexy:

v0.6.2

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flexy:

xfs

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flexy:

I have ~30kB of log (FE and BE) when this happens.

[22:26:25]

flexy:

dcc? pastebin?

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wagnerrp:

always pastebin, no one wants a dcc

[22:27:38]

flexy:

preferred pastebin site?

[22:27:42]

wagnerrp:

see topic

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flexy:

ah, ok. console client does not show that long topic. :)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv.pastebin.ca

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wagnerrp:

oh linux, you and your trickery.... claiming 80MB/s file copies, when the USB drive can only do 1/3 that

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flexy:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1738009

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flexy:

it deleted ~40 characters... did not show what characters they were...

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wagnerrp:

could have deleted all of that scd0 crap too

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flexy:

yeah. it seems they were the scandinavic letters ö and ä that were deleted

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wagnerrp:

wait, is this for videos or recordings?

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flexy:

recordings

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wagnerrp:

well thats probably the problem

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flexy:

?

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wagnerrp:

jamu is storing the name as found on ttvdb/tmdb, while the theme is looking for the name as found in the guide data

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Jamu -MW uses the guide info

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iamlindoro:

it'll name the file appropriately for the upcoming recording

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wagnerrp:

ok... scratch that

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flexy:

right

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i see the '(K15)_fanart.jpg'...

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wagnerrp:

seems ive filled the memory buffer, back down to 30MB/s transfer

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: I am not getting any luck emulating your situation. I will retry when TVDB is available again.

[22:40:11]

flexy:

iamlindoro: and check, I can see Battlestar Galactica (2003)_coverart.jpg

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: check out my logs?

[22:40:44]

flexy:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1738009

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RDV_Linux:

Not yet was just about to look

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flexy:

I just noticed that I can see some of the *art pics, for example that battlestar galactica in mythvideo. But so far I have not seen any picture with () signs in recordings. there is not so many of them...

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: I am not as adapt at reading those logs as others but I did see image files like "Kova laki: Erikoisyksikk (K15)_fanart.jpg" referenced although I do not know why you are seeing them.

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RDV_Linux:

s/are/are not/

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flexy:

yeah. pastebin removed ö -letter from the name, but names are right in the filesystem

[22:47:35]

flexy:

and the logs

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: could it be that ) can't be the last sign in the program name?

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flexy:

I have videos in mythvideo which has () in the name and they show up the pictures. () are in the middle of the name. on recordings I have just 2 or 3 shows that has () in the program name, but in all of them the program name ends in )

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: I could send you those *art files you are trying to get from db?

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: Should not be an issue to the best of my knowledge

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: just trying to think the differences in cases where pics are shown and not

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wagnerrp:

heh... this machine has sufficient memory that the files are hitting the cache about 10 minutes before they get cached to dick

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wagnerrp:

disk

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RDV_Linux:

flexy: I created my own files and just changed their names.

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flexy:

rigth

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flexy:

RDV_Linux: it happens with filenames: Kova laki: Erikoisyksikkö (K15)_coverart.jpg and Mentalist (K13)_coverart.jpg

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jst:

is there a way to run mythtv-setup from a frontend?

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flexy:

from mythwelcome there is

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flexy:

f10 f11 or f12, can't remember which

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paul-h:

!seen justinh

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psofa_:

do i need to pass any option to the nvidia driver itself to enable hdmi passthrough of audio via internal header or it is supposed to work automatically?

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jst:

ssh -X works too, thanks. :)

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psofa_:

damn brb

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