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Thursday, December 24th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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elmojo:

superm1: understood... I just don't understand the desire to be secure for the mysql installation in the first place... probably better to leave that up to the advanced user to perform post install

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elmojo:

superm1: not complaining but it just makes compatibility to some of the stock scripts problematic

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elmojo:

superm1: so if a person wants to restore a prior database they need to know the mysql root password and understand that when creating a new database it resets the mythtv user password to mythtv which leaves the mythtv configuration files with the wrong password

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den0ts_:

hey i got my guide working with schedules direct

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den0ts_:

but when i go to click "watch tv"

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den0ts_:

it turns black for a second, then kicks me back to the mythtv menu

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den0ts_:

dont i have to tune the card to the right channel first?

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den0ts_:

i have tried googling for the command to do that but cant find anything

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Dagmar:

Here's an idea. Try looking at the backend logs.

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den0ts_:

ivtv-tune -taustralia -c10 -d/dev/video1

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den0ts_:

i found that

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den0ts_:

what flag do i use for US direct tv

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wagnerrp:

what flag? for what?

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wagnerrp:

there is no 'flag' for ivtv-tune, if thats what you mean

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den0ts_:

ivtv-tune -WHATGOESHERE -c03 -d/dev/video0

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I'm not getting involved in this one.

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wagnerrp:

what goes there? nothing

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wagnerrp:

you dont tune anything

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Dagmar:

I think I've had enough specialness for one day.

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den0ts_:

really?

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wagnerrp:

because directtv is not receivable by an ivtv card

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wagnerrp:

in fact its not receivable by ANY card you can use with mythtv

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den0ts_:

well how do i get the card to the right channel?

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den0ts_:

i mean i had it working for a year

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wagnerrp:

you dont use a channel

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wagnerrp:

you dont use the tuner

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den0ts_:

i just built a new pc so im trying to get it set up again

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wagnerrp:

if youre setting a channel to use directtv with mythtv, youre doing it wrong

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wagnerrp:

you tell mythtv to use the svideo input

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den0ts_:

im not using svideo

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wagnerrp:

if you cant use svideo for whatever reason, you use composite

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den0ts_:

im using coax

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Dagmar:

"well how do i get the card to the right channel?" and "i mean i had it working for a year"

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wagnerrp:

if you cant use coax, throw away your STB and have directtv send you the new one

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Dagmar:

Something... something's amiss there.

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wagnerrp:

s/coax/omposite/

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wagnerrp:

you should never be using coaxial for analog capture

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wagnerrp:

and you really shouldnt be using composite unless youre trying to capture from a VHS tape

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wagnerrp:

at which point you should reconsider why youre trying to capture from a VHS tape in the first place

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Mandingo-Laptop:

got a question does any1 know where the documentation is for what are the veriables that are accepted in the capturecard table ie DVBinput etc....

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iamlindoro:

there is none, as the user is not meant to modify those values

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wagnerrp:

there is a page for 'capturecard table' on the wiki, but its nothing more than what you can get from 'desc capturecard;'

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pelmen:

guys having problem with my ion mythbuntu install. Output from hdmi seems to not be able to fit into plasma tv

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wagnerrp:

most of the 'table' pages on the wiki have nothing more than that information

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pelmen:

panel shows 1080p input, and resolution in nvidia config – 1920–1080

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Mandingo-Laptop:

yeh i found one some time back that also explained how the card dev/video was gonna changed to dev/adapter/ etc...

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wagnerrp:

pelmen: thats because your plasma tv is overscanning

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Mandingo-Laptop:

so i know its there

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sphery:

Mandingo-Laptop: what are you trying to do? Just use mythtv-setup to configure your card.

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pelmen:

wagnerrp: what should i do ?

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wagnerrp:

Mandingo-Laptop: no, those are dev nodes for two separate APIs

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wagnerrp:

one is for V4L cards, the other for DVB cards

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wagnerrp:

pelmen: go into the frontend settings, and the screen setup wizard

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Mandingo-Laptop:

let me check under the dev stuff

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wagnerrp:

to tell mythtv where the limits of your screen are

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pelmen:

yeah i am not able to push apply because i do not see the button :)

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pelmen:

wagnerrp: :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that seems to be a problem with that dialog

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wagnerrp:

i cant recommend anything besides open another instance of mythfrontend on a laptop next to you, so you can predict what youre clicking on

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sphery:

and click with the keyboard, not the mouse

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sphery:

i.e. left/right/up/down/space (or enter)

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wagnerrp:

besides that, that dialog needs to be reworked anyway

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wagnerrp:

bad things happen if you run it a second time without resetting it

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pelmen:

wagnerrp: if i adjust errors and then click ESC nothing happens

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wagnerrp:

thats because 'esc' cancels the settings and backs out

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pelmen:

wagnerrp: enter seems to switch between arrows

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wagnerrp:

you need to hit the proper item in the menu

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wagnerrp:

'm' brings up a menu

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pelmen:

is the an alt-LETTER combination ?

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wagnerrp:

as it does all over mythtv

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pelmen:

aha

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pelmen:

wagnerrp: interesting, now mythtv frontend is half the size of the tv

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wagnerrp:

thats the kind of things that happen if you run it a second time without resetting the values

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pelmen:

wagnerrp: ok, how do i reset values ?

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wagnerrp:

its under 'm'

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pelmen:

wagnerrp: nope: quit without saving, coarse/fine adjust, close menu

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pelmen:

uh wait

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pelmen:

got it

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pelmen:

wagnerrp: final question... a

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pelmen:

wagnerrp: although my frontend seems to be alligned to the tv... if i exit it, overal panels are missing,

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pelmen:

because they don't fit

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wagnerrp:

panels?

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pelmen:

is it normal ?

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pelmen:

well xfce

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sphery:

because your TV is overscanning :)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has no control over xfce

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wagnerrp:

the same problem that you just fixed with mythtv is going to plague every other program on that system

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sphery:

for overscan, there are 3 fixes--1) scale the image using the TV's zoom functions, 2) scale the X output using a custom modeline, or 3) use something like Myth's Appearance Wizard to scale only the one app

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sphery:

3 has the obvious downside it affects only one app

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pelmen:

wagnerrp: so let's say right now i am happy with how frontend fits......but if i exit it, and use as desctop.. i will have problems right ?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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ctmjr:

i just use nvidia settings to correct overscan

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pelmen:

ctmjr: tell me how to do that..please

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kormoc:

only works with certain nvidia cards

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kormoc:

(and outputs)

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i believe they added that back into the drivers

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wagnerrp:

but it probably only works for TV outputs

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wagnerrp:

(composite, svideo, component)

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pelmen:

wagnerrp: i see

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pelmen:

i am fine with overscanning, as long as frontend looks good.

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sphery:

pelmen: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Overscan

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wagnerrp:

your tv may be able to disable overscan

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pelmen:

also repositories seem to be very limited... i want webmin and some other stuff

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sphery:

I haven't read the page, so I can't tell you how useful that info is, but it's a start

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pelmen:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

look for something called 'pixel exact mode', or something along those lines

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wagnerrp:

pelmen: thats up to your distro

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wagnerrp:

outside of the purview of mythtv

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sphery:

kormoc: for you: http://www.gocomics.com/bc/2009/12/01/

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Dagmar:

As far as I know the nvidia-settings setting for that only works on composite or s-video outputs, and I'm doubtful about the composite output

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Dagmar:

There's little point in adjusting overscan for a VGA/DVI signal.

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sphery:

composite and S-Video are likely the same output

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sphery:

perhaps you meant Component?

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Dagmar:

No, I didn't.

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Dagmar:

Most of the cards that have an actual composite output won't work with it because they use a wholly different (and seriously ancient) driver to make it work

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Dagmar:

Looks like nVidia stopped worrying about composite output ages ago since it's trivial to convert an s-video output to that

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sphery:

don't they still output composite in a 6- or 7-pin mini-DIN (where S-Video is only 4 of those pins)

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sphery:

i.e. not converting, but just connecting the right wires

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kormoc:

sphery: ++

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sphery:

I have to admit I haven't paid attention to composite/S-Video/Component in a very long time, so I may be way out of date

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sphery:

kormoc: yeah, thought you might relate to that comic :)

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den0ts_:

ok im home now, earlier i was working remotely

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den0ts_:

so when I hit watchtv, it goes black for a sec like its about to play, and then it kicks me back to the mythtv menu

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den0ts_:

im using directtv

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den0ts_:

i have coax going from box to pvr150

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k_ross:

check the frontend and backend logs?

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wagnerrp:

it will kick you back out of livetv if the recording failed, and mythtv cannot pick up the video file

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den0ts_:

ok

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wagnerrp:

and i told you, you shouldnt be using coax to record from a device

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den0ts_:

its all i got brah

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den0ts_:

and i been doing it for a year

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wagnerrp:

thats fine, but you cant get directtv to swap you for a new STB? one manufactured in the last decade?

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den0ts_:

maybe

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den0ts_:

but i dont have time to deal with that right now

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den0ts_:

i just want to get my mythtv working so i can watch my own shows at the hospital

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wagnerrp:

you have a /dev/video0?

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den0ts_:

my mom got h1n1, pneumonia, then acute respritory distress syndrome

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den0ts_:

yes

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wagnerrp:

and you can 'cat /dev/video0 > some_file.mpg', and it plays?

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den0ts_:

actually no i dont

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den0ts_:

just checked

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den0ts_:

no /dev/video-

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den0ts_:

0*

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wagnerrp:

you have no /dev/video<anything>?

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wagnerrp:

if not, your tuner card is not installed properly

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wagnerrp:

go see your distro's installation procedure for IVTV cards

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den0ts_:

oh wia ti lied

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den0ts_:

i do

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wagnerrp:

see previous question...

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den0ts_:

sudo cat /dev/video0 > /home/hebs/Desktop/some_file.mpg

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den0ts_:

i did that

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den0ts_:

it created a file on my desktop

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den0ts_:

i clicked it, and it is a frame of "ants"/static

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wagnerrp:

then if you insist on using the tuner for input

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wagnerrp:

you must set it to default to channel 3 or 4, which ever your STB requires

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wagnerrp:

you can set that in mythtv-setup

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Dagmar:

All this is covered by the installation guide and common sense

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den0ts_:

ok i changed the channel to 3 with ivtv command

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den0ts_:

i did the cat command again

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den0ts_:

and it shows a picture

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wagnerrp:

it shows what your STB is currently outputting

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wagnerrp:

now you need to tell mythtv to force the tuner to channel 3

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wagnerrp:

and then you need to give it a channel change script

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wagnerrp:

this is all in the documentation

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den0ts_:

ok the option , is it called "preset tuner to chanel"

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den0ts_:

i have the channel change script

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wagnerrp:

something like that

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den0ts_:

shit, still nada

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den0ts_:

for input connections, i use tuner 1 right?

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wagnerrp:

you should only have one tuner listed

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den0ts_:

yea i do

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den0ts_:

it has tuner 1, svideo 1, composit 1, svideo2, and composit2

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danielk22:

Quick Q: has anyone gotten an nVidia GT220 to work for video playback? I just installed one, but I'm getting pink screens with chromakeyed playback and tearing with composite enabled.

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den0ts_:

$5 paypal to whoever helps me get this working

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Dagmar:

Money doesn't stack that high.

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k_ross:

has anyone? yes. people in the avsforum.com linux htpc forum have. i haven't myself.

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Dagmar:

http:/http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Initial_Installation <-- FREE

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Dagmar:

danielk22: I'd make sure the nVidia driver is actually working.

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wagnerrp:

danielk22: running older drivers that dont properly support the 220?

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danielk22:

k_ross: heresay. if i can't cross it doesn't count :)

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Dagmar:

...and then check the syslog to see if it had reason to complain

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Dagmar:

nVidia drivers tend to either work or spontaneously reboot

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den0ts_:

dagmar, i have gone through that

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danielk22:

Latest driver from the nvidia website. Nothing in dmesg or Xorg.0.log, it plays video when composite is enabled, but it simply suffers from the same tearing in that mode that all the other nVidia cards exhibit with composite enabled w/vdpau.

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Dagmar:

Ah well.

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Dagmar:

Reading comprehension. You should get some of that.

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den0ts_:

im not good at reading, i cant lie

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den0ts_:

but im not a tard

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den0ts_:

i have setup mythtv 3 times before this

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den0ts_:

i did everything the same,i think

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Dagmar:

You're not a good liar, either.

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den0ts_:

i have my guide working, mythweb working, etc...

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Dagmar:

I am *not* the person you want to badger.

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den0ts_:

just cant get video working

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Dagmar:

I'll hunt you down and kill your housepets when I get mad.

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den0ts_:

my iguana will fuck you up

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Dagmar:

.ignore den0ts_ all

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_abbenormal:

watch the language

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den0ts_:

sorry i forgot im on freenode

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Dagmar:

Crap that was supposed to be a slash.

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Dagmar:

Better now.

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wagnerrp:

got nothing to do with freenode, its channel rules

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kormoc:

den0ts_: I've warned you before, no swearing

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[R]:

i hate taking crappy code and trying to uncrappify it

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Dagmar:

danielk22: ...and it's _pink_ you say?

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danielk22:

pink.. i haven't tried changing the chromakey color, but i assume it's just paining that.

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danielk22:

s/paining/painting/

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Dagmar:

Sounds like a color overlay area

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Dagmar:

Normally they're green.

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Dagmar:

I dunno why it would be pink

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Dagmar:

You didn't by any chance enable the nvidia framebuffer code in the kernel did you?

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Dagmar:

...and it doesn't look like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=688778 does it?

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danielk22:

Dagmar: normally blue actually, and nope no other drivers running on the same hw — this was working earlier with a 8xxx series card, just upgraded to see if i could do timestretch with a better card.

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Dagmar:

No seriously it's normally green

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wagnerrp:

decoding performance should be equivalent across cards

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Dagmar:

Like, if nvidiafb is loaded, the nVidia X driver can't work properly, and people get this fun green box that is one solid color and quite large

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wagnerrp:

so unless you were only marginally capable running the deint, i doubt it would make any difference to timestretch

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Dagmar:

There's rather a lot of people reporting "mostly" pink blocks for playback tho

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danielk22:

Dagmar: It's blue on all nvidia drivers except some of the latest ones which use nvidia green. Most other vendors use blue by default. MythTV will accept all chromakey colors except 0,0,0.

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Dagmar:

I've found no sign of fixes beyond people upgrading drivers

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Dagmar:

danielk22: You can keep talking about blue all you like. It won't change a thing.

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Dagmar:

If you want to see the GREEN BOX I'm talking about, enable nvidiafb in your kernel and find out.

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Dagmar:

It's not a chromakey error

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danielk22:

wagnerrp: incorrect.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, they revamped the decoder in the GT line, but i dont see why they would bump up the decoding speed

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wagnerrp:

i thought that was just to add new formats and scalers

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ctmjr:

danielk22: can i ask what driver you are using?

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danielk22:

190.53

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Dagmar:

Well, that is the latest version then.

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danielk22:

wagnerrp: i figure that it's just the underlying hw being more capable. i wasn't sure the GT220 would have more decode speed, because it is near the bottom of it's line, but it is capable of decoding pretty quickly. It is just the V-Sync I can't get it to do..

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Dagmar:

I'm going to go with "that functionality is broken" after something mentioned in the notes for that release and a set of changes they made around 180.29

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Dagmar:

"Fixed a problem in VDPAU that prevented the overlay-based presentation queue from being used on displays connected by component video."

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Dagmar:

That was in the notes for 180.29

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Dagmar:

I'm guessing they've got a regression of some kind

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danielk22:

It works with other HW 180.29, 180.44 works very well with overlays. If there is a software regression it is later than 180.29.

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Dagmar:

No, really?

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Dagmar:

Drop back and punt to 180.29 then and call it a day

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Dagmar:

Report the bug to nvidia for bonus points.

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danielk22:

heh, well i'll pink markk first.

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Dagmar:

s/stars/starts/;

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Dagmar:

Now i'm going to have to drink to forget about all the crazy ubuntu user postings I just read through

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Dagmar:

Grrr... Just checked my email. Seagate clearly knows something more about the 7200.11 drives they're not saying

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Dagmar:

It's a shame they probably won't be interested in shipping me Western Digital drives to replace the three I'm RMAing

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Dagmar:

I'm still going to ask them about it. :)

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endeavormac:

running mythbuntu with the backend and frontend on the same machine. I have my tv card working now in tvtime. When I am in the mythbuntu frontend and select Watch TV, it *seems* as if it attempts to load the tv for a couple of seconds, then I get dropped back out to the main menu

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endeavormac:

does anyone have any suggestions/can point me in the right direction?

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Dagmar:

Look at the backend log.

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Dagmar:

Honestly we need a bot to say that

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endeavormac:

hah, ok

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endeavormac:

hah, this log grabber is great

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endeavormac:

i'm going to read through them first

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Dagmar:

Generally there's like 3–4 causes for that behaviour, almsot all of which show something pretty noisily in the backend log

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Dagmar:

Things that amount to "OMG I can't find a tuner!"

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endeavormac:

http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f3841268e

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endeavormac:

line 166 is one attempt to start the watchingtv

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Dagmar:

Line 59.

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endeavormac:

ok

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Dagmar:

Actually 58 and 59.

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Dagmar:

Go into mythtv-setup and make sure the card is actually setup correctly.

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Dagmar:

...and then tell us what you have and what you set it up as so we can tell you what you should ahve set it up as. ;)

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endeavormac:

ok i'll be back in a few

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Dagmar:

it's probably something minor, which means once it's been isolated it'll be easy to fix

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endeavormac:

i need to reboot, did something bad. i'll be back in 5

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bllz:

I found a script that imports videos into recordings and scrapes tvrage for metadata, but I can't find any indication of whether or not it works under mythtv .22. Is there any reason it wouldn't?

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bllz:

script is here: http://www.jobs-khakis-chicks.com/MythTV/TVRa . . . vgrab-0.7.pl

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wagnerrp:

no, because its using a different schema format

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bllz:

haha i knew it couldn't be that easy...

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bllz:

oh well

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bllz:

thanks, wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

actually, i thought it updated the database directly

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wagnerrp:

yeah, there it is... 'use DBI'

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bllz:

wagnerrp: what does taht mean?

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Dagmar:

It's perl.

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wagnerrp:

it means its loading the perl database module

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wagnerrp:

i didnt see it on first glance

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Dagmar:

it doesn't "mean" much of anything other than it's loading up some routines used to talk directly to a database.

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bllz:

Dagmar, wagnerrp: but the point remains the same, right? namely it won't work in .22?

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wagnerrp:

for the reason i mentioned

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bllz:

right, okay

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wagnerrp:

they also seem to be painfully slow

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Dagmar:

Stuff like that will remain fragile until someone sits down and tapes together something that can read a sane XML file containing the data and then punt it into Myth's database

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endeavormac:

whatever i did took me a step closer. i now get video, i just can't change the channel. I'm going to keep messing around with this thing

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Dagmar:

endeavormac: What tuner card

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wagnerrp:

stuff like that will remain fragile until someone sits down and has it output in the official MythVideo grabber format, so MythVideo will use it directly

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Dagmar:

Seems to me that it would be saner to use a blisteringly obvious generic container format

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bllz:

Dagmar, wagnerrp: they have another script that uses tvgrabber instead and I see a line that says "use XML::simple;" , but I also see "use DBI:" ... so that one probably has the same problem, right?

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Dagmar:

bllz: Yes

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wagnerrp:

if you have a grabber script that has 'use DBI', it is almost certainly adding the data directly into the database

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Dagmar:

Unless it says up front "works with 0.22" just assume it's broken

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wagnerrp:

at which point it is almost certainly not compatible with 0.22

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bllz:

Dagmar: that's what I feared

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bllz:

hmm so it looks like I really am stuck learning bash

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Dagmar:

This is the hazard of dorking around directly with the DB

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bllz:

bashscripting, even

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wagnerrp:

bllz: better option would be to learn perl

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Dagmar:

bllz: Dude there's fourteen-year-old kids writing bash code

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wagnerrp:

and have it output in the proper MythVideo grabber format, rather than to the db

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Dagmar:

It ain't hard.

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wagnerrp:

in which point you can submit it, and probably get it shipped with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

tvrage offers a freely usable API

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wagnerrp:

so theres nothing blocking it from being included as an official grabber

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endeavormac:

dagmar SBT_TVFM, by sabrentk

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endeavormac:

i can change channels in tvtime

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endeavormac:

just have to figure out what's going on with mythtv and i'm good

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Dagmar:

So what type of card did you tell MythTV it was?

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bllz:

wagnerrp: why do you suggest perl?

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Dagmar:

bllz: because bash causes brain damage

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wagnerrp:

because the script is already written in perl

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wagnerrp:

all you have to do is strip out all the DB stuff

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Dagmar:

It's an easy language to learn, but it's also quite horrible.

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bllz:

Dagmar: haha i might already have that in my programming lobe

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wagnerrp:

and add a couple print statements

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Dagmar:

Perl is an easy language to learn, without being as horrible.

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wagnerrp:

or you might be able to prod steve adeff to update it, hes in here occasionally

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bllz:

yeah it sounds like the easiest thing will still be to learn a bit of bash and to get myth.rebuilddatabase and jamu to play nice

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wagnerrp:

or maybe on he mailing list, i know ive seen that name around

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wagnerrp:

the only reason they possibly wouldnt play nice is if it doesnt fill out *any* information into the database

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wagnerrp:

and jamu doesnt know what to do with a completely empty recording

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bllz:

wagnerrp: do you mean to say that jamu requires a file to be included in the database? I had always (probably stupidly) assumed that it wrote metadata to the file, not to the database

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endeavormac:

damgar i was just using "modprobe saa7134 card=2" because it worked, but really i should be card=42

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endeavormac:

however, card=42 gives me issues. searching for the right tuner for card=42 now

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endeavormac:

though i have no idea what a tuner is

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wagnerrp:

bllz: no, i mean to say that jamu probably expects at least the title of 'Unknown', since that is myth's default if there is no data

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Dagmar:

It's the chip that makes sure the signal reciever is listening to the right part of the EM spectrum, and not say, the PPV porn channel.

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bllz:

wagnerrp: ah okay. this does not bode well for me lol =)

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endeavormac:

well i'm iterating through all of the tuner possiblities now

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endeavormac:

i get a couple that come through on composite 1, but i need one that comes through on TV

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endeavormac:

unless mythtv would be able to deal with it coming over composite 1 and still change the channel

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wagnerrp:

bllz: im saying that script would only cause problems if you have jamu grabbing data for recordings as well, and its completely broken in how it functions

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wagnerrp:

but the easier option would probably be to just dump all those old recordings into mythvideo, and be done with it

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RDV_Linux:

bllz: I do not know what you trying to do with Jamu but for tv shows jamu can write out metadata files instead of writing to the MythTV data base.

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: myth.rebuilddatabase.pl is a script that finds files in your recording paths but not listed in the recorded table, and adds them

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bllz:

RDV_Linux: I frequently have new tv shows appear on my harddrive that are not the result of my recording them from livetv, and I was hoping to somehow integrate them into my recordings with myth.rebuilldatabase.pl and use jamu (or similar) for the metadata

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bllz:

RDV_Linux: and I was hoping to do that in an automated manner rather than run myth.rebuilddatabase.pl manually each time

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bllz:

but it sounds like it may just be easier to stick them in mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

bllz: jamu will not add files to recorded, nor will it add files to videometadata

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RDV_Linux:

bllz: Must those video file be viewed as a recording rather than as a MythVideo file?

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bllz:

RDV_Linux: it's preferable, althought not strictly necessary

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wagnerrp:

and yes, it will be FAR easier to just add them to mythvideo

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bllz:

wagnerrp: I realize this, i was mentioning jamu as a means to scrape metadata... or did I miss your point?

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wagnerrp:

JAMU only pulls metadata for mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

for recordings, it only pulls images

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bllz:

wagnerrp: ah okay. i see

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wagnerrp:

and only if the title is one it can match to tmdb/ttvdb

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RDV_Linux:

bllz: You could create a Mythvideo directory specifically for these files the call it recorded. I do that for myself after I did a lossless edit of a recorded file.

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bllz:

RDV_Linux: yeah i've done that before, but it's not as sexy as having it in recordings =) It's fine though, if it's going to be this difficult to do, i'll just ues mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

bllz: so write your own script to add the files into recordings

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RDV_Linux:

bllz: File names will be important to give Jamu a chance to guess the TV series/episode name or movie name correctly.

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wagnerrp:

and pull data from the shipped mythvideo scrapers

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bllz:

wagnerrp: yeah maybe someday when I get around to learning scripts

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bllz:

In the meantime I have an unrelated question...

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Dagmar:

Dude, honestly if you'd read the tutorial I pointed to you the other night you'd already know how to write bash scripts

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RDV_Linux:

bllz: To correct something Jamu can create videometadata records.

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wagnerrp:

waiting on that question...

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bllz:

My sound works except that i can't control the volume/mute functions in myth. when I use the corresponding button on the remote, I do see the overlay show up (i.e. the volume slider), but there's no change in the sound... my audio output devicd is ALSA:default and I've tried changing the mixer controls from PCM to master, but there's no change

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: oh? thought i remember you saying a while back it would only work on entries in videometadata

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bllz:

i've also tried every mixer device available to no avail

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wagnerrp:

bllz: are you using digital audio?

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Dagmar:

bllz: So start playback and then ssh into the machine, run alsamixer from the command line, and run sliders up and down until you find the one that controls the sound. Then tell Myth to use it

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bllz:

Dagmar: that's the other thing... alsamixer fails from the command line

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bllz:

Dagmar: I get an "invalid arguments" error

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Dagmar:

It really should not fail as root.

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Dagmar:

You don't need to ass any arguments to it

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bllz:

Dagmar: and yet...

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bllz:

alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: It is only valuable for jamu to create videometadata records when it can find the reference number for the video file.

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wagnerrp:

will alsamixer fail if youre running pulseaudio?

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Dagmar:

Do you have more than one ALSA device perhaps?

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Dagmar:

Like, does your tuner card have an audio device that ALSA can see? Some Bt8x8 cards do

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bllz:

wagnerrp: as far as digital audio... I don't know much about audio. I have an onboard sound card and I run a headphone-jack-looking-plug into composite audio

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Dagmar:

...and ALSA f**ks up on that almost every time.

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wagnerrp:

that would be... RCA audio, composite is a video format

[04:29:17]

wagnerrp:

the red-white jacks right?

[04:29:18]

bllz:

Dagmar: I'm not sure how to check for multiple alsa devices

[04:29:28]

bllz:

wagnerrp: yes. and I should mention that the sound works

[04:29:34]

Dagmar:

There's a command to make alsa tell you how many devices it sees

[04:29:36]

bllz:

the sound controls do not

[04:29:48]

wagnerrp:

the point being that you cannot change the volume or mute digital audio

[04:29:56]

bllz:

wagnerrp: correct

[04:30:25]

wagnerrp:

when you start mythfrontend, do the logs mention anything about pulseaudio?

[04:30:40]

bllz:

wagnerrp: let me check

[04:30:44]

[R]:

why do so many companies suck at making good documentation... all i want to know is how to send an "exit" key to my STB via firewire... is that so hard to ask?

[04:31:14]

wagnerrp:

[R]: yes

[04:31:17]

bllz:

[R]: but then they'd have no way of locking you into their shitty contracts and sub-par hardware, communist!

[04:31:22]

[R]:

haha

[04:31:26]

wagnerrp:

why would any consumer need such information?

[04:31:35]

wagnerrp:

surely they would only be using it for nefarious goals

[04:31:40]

bllz:

why would a consumer need anything more than a long rape of rapes?

[04:31:54]

[R]:

i got my channel changing program working great and 10x simpler than most of the crap i found online

[04:32:00]

[R]:

i just want to send EXIT to clear the osd faster

[04:32:00]

Dagmar:

If you _deserved_ that information, you'd be writing them a check to rent one of their engineers from them for a few weeks to help you develop your product.

[04:32:18]

[R]:

Dagmar: i dont need help... i just want to read the stupid spec

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wagnerrp:

heres hoping CEC is a more open standard

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bllz:

wagnerrp; stupid question, but I should just look at the logs from the mythbuntu log grabber, right? or should i start the frontend at the command line and see if pulseaudio shows up?

[04:33:06]

bllz:

or third option?

[04:33:19]

wagnerrp:

well ubuntu uses pulseaudio

[04:33:25]

wagnerrp:

i dont know what mythbuntu does to it

[04:33:35]

wagnerrp:

it may just use myth's built in capability to disable pulseaudio

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bllz:

wagnerrp: argh... i always forget this is not a mythbuntu specific channel... forgive me lol

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bllz:

wagnerrp: in that case, what log should I be looking at?

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wagnerrp:

which means when the frontend is not working, and possibly any time youre not actively playing back something, pulseaudio will be active

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wagnerrp:

which may be causing alsamixer to fail

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bllz:

wagnerrp: aptitude show pulseaudio reports that it's not installed on my system

[04:35:40]

Dagmar:

Basically, pulseaudio is as bad as communism, satanism, and homosexuality, all rolled into one, with republican party sprinkles on top.

[04:35:52]

Dagmar:

I'm not judging by the way, just using it as an illustration.

[04:35:57]

Dagmar:

It's not your friend.

[04:36:19]

bllz:

Dagmar: I've heard such things before... thankfully it's not installed

[04:36:34]

Dagmar:

bllz: Check /etc/asound.conf

[04:37:02]

bllz:

Dagmar: ok. that's the ALSA device configuration, right?

[04:37:12]

Dagmar:

I'm still trying to pound the stupid out of grub2, but that's where their documentation said they hooked it into ALSA

[04:37:23]

Dagmar:

Generally, you can get by with no asound.conf at all

[04:37:48]

bllz:

Dagmar: /etc/asound.conf doesn't exist

[04:37:55]

bllz:

the plot thickens...

[04:37:56]

Dagmar:

That's good. That pretty much rules out pulse.

[04:38:07]

bllz:

oh haha hooray then!

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Dagmar:

run `asound names` and then look in /etc/asound.names

[04:40:24]

Dagmar:

Technically that command is deprecated, but it will mostly get the information you need

[04:41:26]

bllz:

Dagmar: 'asound names' seems to have succeeded silently, but there's apparently no file called asound.names in /etc

[04:42:35]

Dagmar:

Well, for one, I'm an idiot.

[04:42:40]

Dagmar:

s/asound/alsactl/;

[04:42:45]

Dagmar:

as in `alsactl names`

[04:42:50]

Dagmar:

Then the filename is the same as before

[04:43:41]

bllz:

Dagmar: pardon my ignorance, but s/asound/alsactl; is a command?

[04:44:03]

Dagmar:

Yes. It's "seddish"

[04:44:17]

Dagmar:

It means substitute the first part with the second part.

[04:45:16]

bllz:

Dagmar: I assume that's not something I was supposed to type directly into the terminal then (I got a no such file/directory error)

[04:45:27]

bllz:

sorry, i'm just not clear on what I need to do with that

[04:45:39]

Dagmar:

There's no alsactl binary?

[04:45:57]

Dagmar:

it's _not_ going to be in the joe user accounts' paths man

[04:46:16]

Dagmar:

it should be in /usr/sbin

[04:46:47]

bllz:

Dagmar: so "/usr/bin/s/asound/alsactl/;" ?

[04:46:49]

Dagmar:

Sorry I figured you'd know to run it as admin

[04:46:56]

bllz:

oh, i did

[04:46:59]

Dagmar:

no.

[04:47:03]

bllz:

i ran it as sudo

[04:47:08]

Dagmar:

forget about seddish, it's beyond you.

[04:47:09]

bllz:

or did you mean something diffferent?

[04:47:13]

Dagmar:

/usr/sbin/alsactl names

[04:47:18]

bllz:

yes, apparently it is lol sorry

[04:47:57]

bllz:

Dagmar: hmm that gives me a "command not found" error

[04:48:06]

Dagmar:

Then I've got nothing

[04:48:13]

Dagmar:

Enjoy reading the alsa documentation

[04:48:24]

bllz:

sigh...

[04:48:30]

Dagmar:

Know ye well that some people pay a lot of money at bondage clubs for that kind of self abuse

[04:48:55]

bllz:

haha yeah although at least you get a sweet leather suit

[04:49:01]

bllz:

usually...

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[R]:

i'm trying to set up a recording schedule

[04:50:03]

Dagmar:

Ah wait... `amixer` should tell you something

[04:50:05]

[R]:

and in mythweb its not showing up as "upcoming recordings"... how do i figure out why myth isn't recording it?

[04:50:18]

Dagmar:

I finally just looked at the package inventory for the alsa-utils package here

[04:51:08]

bllz:

Dagmar: 'amixer' gave me another invalid arguments error

[04:51:44]

Dagmar:

Dude your alsa is broke

[04:51:56]

Dagmar:

Get ahold of someone familiar with your distro

[04:52:02]

Dagmar:

They've done something weird.

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bllz:

Dagmar: okay thanks for your help though

[04:52:14]

Dagmar:

Those commands should run fine with no arguments at all

[04:52:47]

bllz:

Dagmar: yeah you're not the first to tell me that lol. I'm going to go punch a wall real quick

[04:52:58]

** bllz excuses himself for a few moments **

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** bllz returns with a bandaged hand **

[04:55:59]

Dagmar:

You're doing that wrong.

[04:56:08]

Dagmar:

heh

[04:57:06]

bllz:

On an unrelated note, the old 80's "hercules" is on...

[04:57:12]

bllz:

and my day was just made worse

[04:57:23]

Dagmar:

Only if you can't get it off that channel.

[04:57:39]

bllz:

too late, my myth server has been contaminated

[04:59:50]

den0ts_:

ok if i get my frontend log will you guys help me figure this out?

[05:00:33]

den0ts_:

http://pastebin.com/m3f496154

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Dagmar:

just on a hunch, what does `amixer info` say?

[05:02:04]

bllz:

Dagmar: me?

[05:02:07]

Dagmar:

yes.

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bllz:

Dagmar: succeeds silently

[05:02:34]

Dagmar:

...and you're not typing the ` s are you?

[05:02:44]

bllz:

... oh god...

[05:02:49]

Dagmar:

o.O

[05:02:59]

bllz:

oh man... and I know better too...

[05:03:00]

Dagmar:

*groan*

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bllz:

I'm seriously embarassed

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bllz:

and indeed... here's the result: Card default 'Intel'/'HDA Intel at 0xfbffc000 irq 16'

[05:03:40]

bllz:

Mixer name : 'VIA VT1708B 8-Ch'

[05:03:40]

bllz:

Components : 'HDA:1106e721,10192690,00100100'

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bllz:

Controls : 26

[05:03:40]

bllz:

amixer: Mixer load default error: Invalid argument

[05:03:43]

Dagmar:

Yeah well, just be glad you're dealing with neurotic supergeniuses in here

[05:03:54]

bllz:

yeah no kidding

[05:04:09]

Dagmar:

okay, well at least we've something to go ono

[05:04:11]

den0ts_:

http://pastebin.com/m472925d0

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Dagmar:

Specifically, I'm pasting that last line you pasted into Googlel

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bllz:

i'll do the same

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den0ts_:

oh you were talking to bllz

[05:05:18]

Dagmar:

Is there more than one thing showing in /proc/asound/cards?

[05:05:20]

Dagmar:

I'm guessing there is

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Dagmar:

I'll try to explain what I *suspect* is happening

[05:05:45]

Dagmar:

Alsa loooooves ordinal numbers.

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Dagmar:

I assigns the first whatever to zero, the second to one, the third to two, and so on

[05:06:04]

kormoc:

den0ts_: it happens when you've been ignored by the man

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Dagmar:

The important thing being it never _skips_ a number

[05:06:14]

bllz:

Dagmar: yeah I got what ooks like a sound card or something

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Dagmar:

It also apparently assumes that each device will have a full set of controls

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bllz:

okay

[05:07:01]

Dagmar:

So what I had happening to me back in um, 2001 when I was trying to use a bttv card and ran into this was pretty irksome

[05:07:09]

bllz:

btw here's the contents of /proc/asound/cards: 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel – HDA Intel

[05:07:09]

bllz:

HDA Intel at 0xfbffc000 irq 16

[05:07:13]

Dagmar:

It would see the bttv devices, and load them in as card 0

[05:07:41]

Dagmar:

Then it would see my sound blaster card, and start filling in it's devices, but it would senselessly kind stack them on top

[05:08:02]

Dagmar:

parts of the sound blaster wound up being treated as the bttv card for all I could tell

[05:08:21]

Dagmar:

Hmm... Jus the one device? That's both bad and good.

[05:08:36]

Dagmar:

it's good because it means there's no extra/spurious mixer devices screwing things up

[05:08:40]

bllz:

Dagmar: yeah hard to put one device out of order

[05:08:46]

Dagmar:

It's bad because the HDA intel driver is probably the most chaotic driver they have

[05:09:00]

bllz:

oh boy lol

[05:09:14]

Dagmar:

It's probably just screwing up entirely and misdetecting your chipset variant

[05:10:02]

Dagmar:

The fix is likely going to be to set a kernel module option to override it's failed attempt at detecting your hardware correctly.

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bllz:

Dagmar: sounds daunting

[05:10:37]

Dagmar:

Not really.

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Dagmar:

If the machine was rebooted anytime today, type this... (without typing backticks) `dmesg | grep hda`

[05:11:12]

Dagmar:

well, hda_codec instead of hda

[05:11:23]

Dagmar:

Hopefully it's chattered something to the syslog about it not being entirely sure of itself

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Dagmar:

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bllz:

Dagmar: let me restart it real quick

[05:11:44]

Dagmar:

You don't need to restart it

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Dagmar:

dmesg outputs a _ring buffer_ so if tehre's a bunch of crap that's been written to the syslog, the stuff from bootup will be lost

[05:12:20]

Dagmar:

HOWEVER, it's generally also written to /var/log/syslog and or /var/log/messages

[05:12:50]

Dagmar:

The ringbuffer is used because the kernel needs to be able to write important stuff _somewhere_ before a disk is available to store it more permanently

[05:12:58]

Dagmar:

It's also about 8k in length IIRC

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bllz:

so /var/log/messages | grep hda?

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clever:

Dagmar: that size can be changed at compile file

[05:13:17]

Dagmar:

hda_codec

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Dagmar:

...but since you're dealing with a file you can just `grep hda_codec /var/log/blablab"

[05:13:30]

bllz:

okay hang on

[05:13:59]

clever:

ive found that things like apparmor are very spammy and overflow the ring buffer before the tools can get the info they need

[05:14:08]

bllz:

christ that's a lot of output

[05:14:10]

bllz:

okay let me pastebin that

[05:14:12]

Dagmar:

The first invocation calls dmesg, which makes it spool the ringbuffer to standard output... the pipe (|) makes that output go through grep, which when not given a filename, listens to standard input

[05:14:50]

Dagmar:

Since /var/log/messages is a file you don't need to cat it out or anything, you can just tell grep to look in it

[05:15:23]

bllz:

http://pastebin.com/m704f1fce

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Dagmar:

They should make it more clear that that's basically an error

[05:16:47]

bllz:

certainly looks like we're sniffing in the right direction

[05:17:43]

Dagmar:

bllz: Now comes the fun stuff. look at http://pastebin.com/meea0608

[05:18:00]

Dagmar:

That's the output of two commands. lspci -v and lspci -n. lspci lives in /sbin generally

[05:18:00]

bllz:

what's that?

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Dagmar:

It's the same information, represented different ways.

[05:18:22]

bllz:

okay

[05:18:47]

Dagmar:

Note down the leftmost side it shows devices based on their numbering (which is mostly made up, but consistent between boots which is all we care about)

[05:19:00]

clever:

the numbers in -n are directly from the card, while the names are from a text file and are likely to change or refer to many cards

[05:19:15]

bllz:

okay

[05:19:20]

clever:

the numbers are generaly better, but dont mean much on there own

[05:19:21]

Dagmar:

The /sbin/lspci command by itself gives information meant for humans to read

[05:19:23]

Dagmar:

We want more than that

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clever:

yeah

[05:19:36]

Dagmar:

Irritatingly, the damn thing doesn't make it EASY To associate the two (that I've found)

[05:19:37]

Dagmar:

So...

[05:19:51]

Dagmar:

Run /sbin/lspci. Look for the entry that is (apparently) your sound card.

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Dagmar:

Make a note of it's bus id (the 00:0d.0 part on the left)

[05:20:21]

bllz:

okay

[05:20:26]

Dagmar:

Then run lspci -n and match that number against that list to find out it's product and vendor codes.

[05:20:44]

Dagmar:

The product and vendor codes are, in my example, the parts that say "10d3:055e"

[05:21:03]

Dagmar:

These vendor and product codes are supposed to uniquely identify every piece of PCI hardware you can possibly plug in

[05:21:24]

Dagmar:

10d3 being the vendor, 055e being the product in my example

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Dagmar:

NORMALLY this would indicate to the kernel exactly what driver needs to be loaded.

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bllz:

okay so...

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Dagmar:

It's the entire reason automagical kernel module detection and loading works with USB and PCI devices

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bllz:

i run lspci and identify my sound card

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Dagmar:

UNFORTUNATELY, theres' two MORE numbers which aren't all that accessible which indicate submodels and variants

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bllz:

then i run lspci -n and match the corresponding device number

[05:22:31]

Dagmar:

'cuz some manufacturers just HAVE to make things hard

[05:23:02]

Dagmar:

yeah generally if you paste the vendor/product codes into Google you can find more or less immediately what something is

[05:23:04]

bllz:

this seems relevant: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)

[05:23:29]

Dagmar:

...and if it doesn't find it for you, there's also acually charts out there.

[05:23:36]

bllz:

00:1b.0 0403: 8086:27d8 (rev 01)

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bllz:

that's the lspci -n line

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Dagmar:

Yep. Okay. so you've got that part then

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wagnerrp:

ICH7, thats an old one

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** bllz pats himself on the back for not f*cking up simple instructions **

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Dagmar:

Now I'm going to take a moment to hate on jackasses like driverbyte.com for deliberately cluttering search results with their crap

[05:24:35]

wagnerrp:

is that an 865?

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bllz:

wagnerrp: couldn't tell you... it's an onboard audio chipset... the board was cheap lol

[05:25:08]

Dagmar:

VIA

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bllz:

(first time buildinga computer)

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wagnerrp:

looks like the earlier 900 series boards

[05:25:39]

Dagmar:

Oh look. Someone else with a problem with that http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/archive-seventh/msg00191.html

[05:25:52]

Dagmar:

Nevermind for the moment that we've not even matched the subsystem id

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bllz:

lol oh google

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Dagmar:

Dangit.

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Dagmar:

I hate it when I stumble on something like this.

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Dagmar:

Try `lspci -nn`

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bllz:

gah

[05:26:54]

Dagmar:

I *think* it might just show _all_ the numbers we need without having to do any bs cross-referencing

[05:26:54]

bllz:

okay

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bllz:

i'm going by the same number, I assume

[05:27:32]

bllz:

00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 01)

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Dagmar:

Oh you havent' need anything yet

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wagnerrp:

man... all these people on slashdot trying to claim there is some manner in which you can make open source software that complies with DRM

[05:28:08]

Dagmar:

Keep that *short* string in mind.

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bllz:

short string = 00:1b.0 ?

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Dagmar:

You're going to want to look for the subsystem numeber (yet antoehr pair of hexadecimal numbers) in the output of `lspci -nnvv`. This output WILL span pages and pages. Pipe it through less

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Dagmar:

No that whole line you pasted was the "short" string.

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Dagmar:

-nnvv is OMGVERBOSE

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Dagmar:

You're probably going to need all four numbers before this is over

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bllz:

Dagmar: oh wow... if *that* is short...

[05:29:49]

bllz:

haha okay

[05:30:03]

Dagmar:

It's 474 lines of output here.

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bllz:

so you want me to run -nnvv now?

[05:31:02]

Dagmar:

yes. Look at this first http://pastebin.com/d6abf8b2a

[05:31:14]

bllz:

okay

[05:31:15]

Dagmar:

That's the section for JUST one of the tuners on my PVR-500 card.

[05:31:22]

Dagmar:

...so you'll know what you're looking for.

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wagnerrp:

such a shame... i cant use modpoints and mock people in the same article

[05:32:01]

Dagmar:

See in the first line it shows 4444:0016 which are the vendor and product codes

[05:32:14]

Dagmar:

...on the second line, at the end, there's 0070:e817

[05:32:27]

Dagmar:

You'll want to find both sets of those

[05:32:34]

bllz:

uh...

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bllz:

hang on

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Dagmar:

...cuz the first two basically only get you as far as knowing it's going to need hda_intel. The latter two are what variant of that that it is.

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Dagmar:

ALSA is clearly getting it wrong.

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bllz:

Dagmar: http://pastebin.com/m1a7ba227

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bllz:

i think i got it

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Dagmar:

Ugh you bought an ECS board

[05:36:17]

Dagmar:

anyway, 1019:2690 is the subsystem

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bllz:

Dagmar: what's the issue with ECS boards?

[05:36:56]

Dagmar:

They're so cheaply made

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Dagmar:

They're made by chinese schoolchildren out of recycled sake tabs or something

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Dagmar:

You'll wanna bookmark https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto and I'm looking for more

[05:37:44]

bllz:

Dagmar: haha yeah i actually had to replace a few chips with grains of rice

[05:39:00]

Dagmar:

I'm going to flat out suggest using a combination of 8086:27d8, "ECS" and "ALSA" as search terms

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Dagmar:

The best I can find so far for a list of module options to try passing is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1043568

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Dagmar:

...but you may wind up virtually spelunking in the kernel source before this is over

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bllz:

yikes

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wagnerrp:

great, theres some mad flasher running around campus

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Dagmar:

Or taking the easy way out, looking to see if there's a craigslist site in your city or checking eBay for an SBLive! emu10k1 card which will not be such a pain in the butt

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Just yell "I've seen bigger"

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wagnerrp:

you know... i really dont understand why such things happen

[05:41:56]

wagnerrp:

i mean first, i dont know why you would be offended

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wagnerrp:

its not like they touched you or anything

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wagnerrp:

and second, if you just laugh, it will be the last time they ever do it

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bllz:

wagnerrp: as a man who streaked down the campus green his senior year... it's not about offending people

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bllz:

it's about offending christians

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wagnerrp:

there will be no repeat offenders

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why it would offend christians

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wagnerrp:

i mean everyone's got one, who cares

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bllz:

wagnerrp: I don't know why it offends them either

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Dagmar:

bllz: I'm pretty sure at this point that alsa has just utterly misdetected your mixer devices on the card, or the thing it broke

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bllz:

but then again there's a lot about christians I don't understand

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Dagmar:

er is broke

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bllz:

Dagmar: so the non-masochistic solution is to buy a pcie sound card

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wagnerrp:

i dont know of any decently supported pcie cards off hand

[05:45:14]

Dagmar:

bllz: No, it's to buy a PCI sound card actually

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Dagmar:

//www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg24288.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.s . . . sg24288.html

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bllz:

FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

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bllz:

i only have pcie slots open

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wagnerrp:

got an old computer laying around?

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wagnerrp:

throw the tuner cards in there, and toss it in a closet

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Dagmar:

voodoo -> http://www.google.com/search?q=8086%3A27d8+ec . . . rd+alsa+1019

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bllz:

wagnerrp: unfortunately I don't...

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wagnerrp:

werent there some USB sblive variants?

[05:47:05]

wagnerrp:

i know there were USB audigy1/2 variants, and my A2 works well enough for me

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Dagmar:

bllz: basically, your options are either a) a lot of jiggery pokery with module options or b) ordering something that doesn't suck

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bllz:

or c) using the volume controls on the stereo system

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Dagmar:

A basic SBLive! card should cost maybe $25 if that much if you can even find one used

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Dagmar:

bllz: That works too!

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Dagmar:

:)

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bllz:

=)

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bllz:

well again, thanks for all the help

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bllz:

i'll probably end up buying a card when i get a few bucks

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superm1:

elmojo, the ideal is that you dont leave a potential for a totally unsecured installation (eg if you pick to enable mysql on the enet interface and no root password). how do you propose it be presented to the user? i'd like to think that's a pretty low use case, and most people who try to do it will find hmm it doesn't work, so lets try the "only" password i gave it during install

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wagnerrp:

superm1: give it a randomized password, stored in some root-readable-only file?

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** wagnerrp is scrolling back to see what the complaint was **

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bllz:

Next question of the night... Has anybody ever gotten On Demand to work under myth?

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wagnerrp:

bllz: such a thing will never work well with mythtv

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bllz:

wagnerrp: hmm that's too bad

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wagnerrp:

doing so would require you to run a screen reader to parse out the available content, and then a complex IR script to control it

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wagnerrp:

both of which would have to be tailored to each specific installation

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bllz:

wagnerrp: really? I thought it was just a matter of tuning to channel 0 and passing certain IR functions off to irsend while tuned to 0

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bllz:

namely the up, down, left, right and OK buttons

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wagnerrp:

you *can* set up a manual record, and manually control your STB

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bllz:

wagnerrp: what do you mean by manual record?

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wagnerrp:

you *can* set up a dummy channel to use for livetv, after which you would manually control your STB

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wagnerrp:

i mean a manual record

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wagnerrp:

VCR-style

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to the listings based automatic records

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wagnerrp:

but even if you did either of those two options, it would be a pain to manage

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wagnerrp:

due to the 2–4s lag between output from your STB, and output by mythtv

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wagnerrp:

something which will not likely ever go away

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bllz:

wagnerrp: maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but if I tune to channel zero, I can use the irsend command to navigate the on demand menu without a problem... so it sounds like it's just a question of passing on those commands to irsend while on channel 0. I don't realy care about doing anything fancy like pausing or rewinding On Demand (which i could do from the frontend anyway)

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wagnerrp:

bllz: mythtv does not know what is on those channels

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wagnerrp:

so you would have no metadata to go along with the recording

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wagnerrp:

and you would have to manually schedule the start and end time

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wagnerrp:

and the aforementioned lag would make navigating the STB's menu system painful at best

[06:02:24]

wagnerrp:

it *can* be done, but there is no good way to do it

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wagnerrp:

and thats besides the point that there is no system in place to send IR commands to the backend

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wagnerrp:

you would have to set that up all on your own

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wagnerrp:

or would have to have the STB in the same room that you were viewing in

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wagnerrp:

and fantastic

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bllzz:

wagnerrp: sorry i might have missed your last couple of responses

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wagnerrp:

i probably said that all to someone who is going to time out in a few minutes

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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bllzz:

wagnerrp: no i accidentally pulled the wrong plug from my wall =/

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bllzz:

wagnerrp: aah i think I wasn't too clear with my intentions

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bllzz:

wagnerrp: i don't necessarily care about scheduling recordings or even keeping them after the fact

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bllzz:

wagnerrp: i was hoping there was a way to just watch them

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bllzz:

nothing else

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wagnerrp:

you *can* do it, but it would be exactly like trying to record that content to a VCR

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wagnerrp:

youre going to have to manage multiple systems independently

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wagnerrp:

plus you have the lag issue

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wagnerrp:

if you want VOD content, just get another STB and use that directly

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wagnerrp:

or do without

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bllzz:

hmm okay

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wagnerrp:

so researchers show off a functional molecular transistor, and moores law just keeps on going....

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bllzz:

damn..

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bllzz:

and I just drank a whole gallon of milk today

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bllzz:

the world truly is an amazing place

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats probably 20–25 years from commercial use... which at a gate size of roughly half a nanometer, puts it right on schedule

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bllzz:

question: my pvr-150 lists composite 1 and composite 2 in the backend setup, but the card itself only has one set of composite jacks

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bllzz:

should I just pick composite 1?

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wagnerrp:

im thinking those are alternate inputs for the little white header

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wagnerrp:

but i have nothing to back that up

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bllzz:

wagnerrp: alternate inputs for what?

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wagnerrp:

to the encoder chip

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bllzz:

wagnerrp: i'll pretend I undesrstand =) In any case, I should just use composite 1 right?

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wagnerrp:

http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/im . . . able_big.gif

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wagnerrp:

yes, composite 1 is probably what you want

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wagnerrp:

svideo 1 would be better

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bllzz:

wagnerrp: no svideo out on my display adapter, unfortunately

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bllzz:

also, is there any way to remove a channel from the channel editor?

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wagnerrp:

display adapter, eh?

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wagnerrp:

why would you be capturing the output of your computer?

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bllzz:

wagnerrp: video card

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wagnerrp:

'd'

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bllzz:

wagerrp: also, no svideou out on the STB

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bllzz:

=/

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bllzz:

shitty stb is shitty

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wagnerrp:

the question still stands

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kormoc:

obvious fact is obvious

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bllzz:

then I don't understand the question

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wagnerrp:

why would you be capturing the output of your computer?

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bllzz:

wagnerrp: i'm not

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bllzz:

wagnerrp: i was simply stating that I have no way to get svideo from the computer to the tv

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wagnerrp:

then why did you say your video card had no svideo, when i said you should be capturing using svideo?

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bllzz:

wagnerrp: because i'm not sure I see the point in capturing svideo if the quality is going to be downgraded to composite anyway

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kormoc:

svideo is typically better then composite

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bllzz:

right

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wagnerrp:

no sense degrading it more than needs be

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bllzz:

capture in composite and output via composite

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kormoc:

double degrading!

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bllzz:

in the final analysis, isn't that the same as caputring in svideo and outputting via compoiste?

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kormoc:

nopers

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bllzz:

aah

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bllzz:

it would seem I don't understand how these things work =)

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kormoc:

you degrade it with every conversion

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bllzz:

interesting

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bllzz:

well unfortunately, the issue remains... no svideo in the stb

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: some cheapo games on steam

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: Aye, but I already own most of them :(

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wagnerrp:

heh, figured as much

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bllzz:

wagnerrp, kormoc: is this kind of signal degradation noticable on an SDTV?

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kormoc:

Yes, it can

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bllzz:

because i've actually been running coax capture and coax output and i haven't noticed antyhing

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kormoc:

but doesn't mean it will always ttho

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bllzz:

maybe i'm just lucky

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bllzz:

or blind

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wagnerrp:

not if you dont know any better

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bllzz:

that might be it =)

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wagnerrp:

cant know what youre missing until you actually see it

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bllzz:

wagnerrp: i meant as compared to plugging the cable into the tv directly

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wagnerrp:

i updated from a 6200 to an 8400, and switched from composite to svideo

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wagnerrp:

somewhere in there, my recordings looked immensely better

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bllzz:

maybe I should call failcast and demand a stb with svideo out

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bllzz:

and firewire

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bllzz:

and a pony

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wagnerrp:

firewire probably wont get you much

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wagnerrp:

but at least they tend to be more reliable than an ir blaster

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bllzz:

wagnerrp: right, i meant for channel changes

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[R]:

i got my firewire working great today

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[R]:

still no EXIT key though

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[R]:

i don't udnerestand why no one else thinks thats a good idea

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wagnerrp:

should i pick up jedi knight 1? ive got the other two but never played the first

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wagnerrp:

1998, its going to look like ass

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[R]:

dude ass or chick ass?

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

oh wow, it looks worse than ass

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wagnerrp:

thats like quake 1 fugliness

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bllzz:

haha oh quake

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bllzz:

i was always a duke nukem 3d fan

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bllzz:

note that this was when they had to specify 3d

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wagnerrp:

makes me appreciate the original half-life more

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bllzz:

or else you'd assume a 2d scroller platform game

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bllzz:

oh for fuck's sake! why isn't my channel chaning script working anymore...

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bllzz:

looks like all I had to do was drop an f-bomb

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wagnerrp:

grey's anatomy: the video game..... why?

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bllzz:

wat

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bllzz:

wagnerrp: I helped devellop that game... you got something to say?

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wagnerrp:

yes.... why?

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wagnerrp:

why would such a thing exist

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bllzz:

well

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bllzz:

because...

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bllzz:

we hate the world

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wagnerrp:

nevermind what anyone thinks of a show... how are you going to translate a tv drama into a video game

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wagnerrp:

it just makes no sense

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wagnerrp:

im completely baffled

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bllzz:

again

[06:43:06]

bllzz:

we hate the world

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bllzz:

back on the topic of mythtv, however, is there a way to permanently disable fill settings?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: man... you managed to be in the only state that gets charges sales tax for this stuff

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[R]:

why does wake on lan hate me

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** [R] gets all sad **

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wagnerrp:

dont worry, it hates everyone

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[R]:

but the computer is drawing 70 watts

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[R]:

i need to be able to shut it down

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wagnerrp:

i have only ever gotten it to work on one single system at work

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[R]:

it was working on my desktop

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wagnerrp:

(technically 165 identical systems)

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[R]:

i'd just use my desktop for my backend... except i have no ram for it

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wagnerrp:

but thats out of some 700, of 5 different varients

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wagnerrp:

no ram at all? or what you would consider insufficient?

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[R]:

i only ahve 2gb of ddr2

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[R]:

and thats in my ion

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[R]:

i had to pull that from my desktop

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wagnerrp:

why do you need 2GB in an ion

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[R]:

everywhere i've read says you can't allocated 512 for the video

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[R]:

unless you have 2gb

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wagnerrp:

oh? well thats annoying

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wagnerrp:

spend $30 and get some more memory

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[R]:

tell me where i can buy ram for $30

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[R]:

and i'll do it

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wagnerrp:

newegg

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wagnerrp:

wow, its gone up considerably

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[R]:

yeah

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[R]:

so when i shutdown the lights on the nic are off

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[R]:

but the light on the router is on

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[R]:

what does that mean

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wagnerrp:

i bought a new machine back in may, and 2GB of crucial DDR2–800 was $25

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wagnerrp:

and that was average

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[R]:

yeah, they've gone up a lot

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[R]:

and its funny

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[R]:

because i tried googling 'why is ram so expensive?' today at work and i was joking around with this guy taht i coudn't find anyone talking about it

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wagnerrp:

thats low $40s now

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[R]:

and its got to be some kind of conspiracy

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wagnerrp:

what hapened?

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wagnerrp:

high $40s rather

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[R]:

some people said its because windows 7 was relesaed... which is nonsense

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[R]:

some people said its because everyone is putting their resources into ddr3

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats what im reading

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wagnerrp:

2 is being phased out in favor of 3

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wagnerrp:

so 3 is plummeting, but 2 is rising

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wagnerrp:

same thing happened with 1

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wagnerrp:

and SDR before that

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wagnerrp:

yeah, 2GB of midrange name brand ddr3 is only mid $50s

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wagnerrp:

2GB chips seem to be no more expensive per-capacity than 1GB chips now

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: yeah, but no state income tax :)

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bllz:

does mythnettv work under myth .22?

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wagnerrp:

not an official plugin, dont know

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bllz:

gotcha ok

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wagnerrp:

the recorded table hasnt changed much, if any, so it will probably work

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[R]:

why does my electricity provider suck so much

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[R]:

i know somewhere they say what the price per kwh is

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[R]:

but i cna't find it

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wagnerrp:

[R]: average comes out to be somewhere under $0.10/kwh

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wagnerrp:

or roughly $1/W/yr

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[R]:

well i did some math from my bill and it looked like .08

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_angst_:

does anyone have a fixed imdb.pl?

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_angst_:

for 0.21

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sid3windr:

no

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_angst_:

k

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sid3windr:

it's against their tos anyway

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henrik__:

Hello! anyone here who could make a script for downloading data to mythweather from a service called yr.no.

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henrik__:

?

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henrik__:

http://www.yr.no/verdata/1.6810075

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oobe:

you could

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henrik__:

oobe, sory I don't have the coding skills...

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henrik__:

I wish I could

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oobe:

you could

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henrik__:

I don't know xml nor scripting.

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oobe:

you could

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oobe:

henrik__, anyway have a look at this page it has links to other script you might enjoy

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henrik__:

page?

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** wagnerrp prods oobe **

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wagnerrp:

henrik__: the primary difference between a dev and a user is a bit of motivation at some point in the past

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wagnerrp:

and the requirement of a norwegian language programmer is likely going to significantly limit the pool of people who could do the work for you

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wagnerrp:

take a look into perl and python

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wagnerrp:

both are fairly simple to learn, very powerful, and have parser objects for XML files

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henrik__:

I could translate the page.

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wagnerrp:

that would not end up being a fun experience for either party

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henrik__:

well. I guess my only choice then is to remove the plugin and hope for BBC to pick up some more citys..

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henrik__:

in the future..

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wagnerrp:

and its of limited use for anyone who doesnt speak norwegian

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wagnerrp:

you can get some numerical data, but any text would be worthless

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wagnerrp:

you could probably pick up enough python in a weekend to write the thing on your own

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oobe:

henrik__, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeather woops

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henrik__:

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oobe:

that was funny i forgot to post the link and then went AFK

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henrik__:

well I would not want it in norwegian

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henrik__:

but they have it in english, I have found that yr.no is better at predicting weather then my national hydrolodgic institute

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henrik__:

and ours is not open/free

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wagnerrp:

no, they dont have it in english

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wagnerrp:

the page you linked specifically said that it is norwegian only

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wagnerrp:

even though they have cities worldwide

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wagnerrp:

'The information is only available in Norwegian.... We are sorry that this information is not available in English'

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wagnerrp:

best you can hope for is to pipe it through google translate or some such

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wagnerrp:

it will make weather more amusing

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henrik__:

okej..

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wagnerrp:

looks like they have similar stipulations to BBC

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wagnerrp:

you just have to credit the source

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wagnerrp:

henrik__: i could probably put together the grabber in a couple hours

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wagnerrp:

the problem is the search

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wagnerrp:

search would require html parsing

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wagnerrp:

not fun

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wagnerrp:

although to be honest, this is some fairly nice looking html

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** stuarta snores quietly **

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt be much trouble running a DOM parser through it

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wagnerrp:

assuming they dont frequently change the page

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oobe:

or you could just look out the window :P

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Finswimmer:

Hello, tzap -r ProSieben and "cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0" is working fine. w_scan (wirbel from VDR) is finding all 23 DVB-T programs. But mythtv-setup gives me always "timeout"

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Finswimmer:

I am using: 0.22_p22860

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oobe:

create a channels.conf and get mythtv-setup to import that

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Finswimmer:

oobe: Not working "Error parsing"

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Finswimmer:

It must be a channels.conf that is working with tzap, right?

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oobe:

you can also tell it which transports to scan

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oobe:

its a bit tedious

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stuarta:

oobe: the right answer is to work out why its not finding channels

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stuarta:

not use the bodge solution of importing channel.conf

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Finswimmer:

I tried that too, but alwas the same. It gets Signal Strength around 60%, sometimes a "Lock", but still finds no channels.

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stuarta:

Finswimmer: have you tried increasing the timeouts on the card config

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stuarta:

they can be a bit short by default

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Finswimmer:

Ive increased the timeouts, but even then there is immediatly a "Timeout Scanning offset 1 – no signal".

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Finswimmer:

2009-12–24 12:34:43.668 SIScan(0): Tuning to mplexid(0)

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Finswimmer:

2009-12–24 12:34:43.668 DVBChan(1:0): Old Params: 818000000 auto 0 auto auto 8 a auto n v

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Finswimmer:

DVBChan(1:0): New Params: 826000000 auto 0 auto auto 8 a auto n v

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Finswimmer:

2009-12–24 12:34:43.668 DVBChan(1:0): Tune(): Tuning to 826000000Hz

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Finswimmer:

2009-12–24 12:34:43.668 dvbchannel.cpp:wait_for_backend: Status:

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Finswimmer:

2009-12–24 12:34:43.668 DVBChan(1:0): Tune(): Frequency tuning successful.

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Finswimmer:

2009-12–24 12:34:43.668 DTVSM(0)::SetChannel(-1, -1):

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Finswimmer:

2009-12–24 12:34:44.172 SIScan(0): Timeout Scanning — no signal

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Finswimmer:

In just half an second it gets the Timeout. But i have set a timeout of 3000ms...

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Dibblah:

Finswimmer: PASTEBIN.

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Finswimmer:

Dibblah: Sorry :/

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CShadowRun:

Are there any simple step by step guides for configuring the new version of mythtv with sky? I'm very new to mythtv, and i havn't found any step by step guides that arn't outdated / don't work

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CShadowRun:

either that or anyone willing to talk me through it

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waxhead_:

evening all

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waxhead_:

I've just upgraded to the latest mythbuntu..

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waxhead_:

wasn't too painful.. everything appears to be working again...

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waxhead_:

quick question though, what's needed to get the visualizations working in the music player?

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MartinJT:

anyone know anywhere that sells a PCI (not express) graphics card capable of running vdpau... need it in the UK and can't seem to find anywhere...

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mchou:

MartinJT: what top res and codecs you gonna use?

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pelmen:

guys how do i compile lirc_mceusb2 ?

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pelmen:

i downloaded sources

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pelmen:

but not sure where to put them for dkms ?

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Aval0n:

have they made any progress with blu-ray playback from disc in linux as of yet?

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mchou:

Aval0n: sure, on embedded devices

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mchou:

Aval0n: closed source

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Aval0n:

but if you have a drive and a blu-ray disc you are screwed still?

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CShadowRun:

why is it so difficult to get mythtv to tune? I've been trying for like 3 hours now

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mchou:

Aval0n: there is no bluray playback on la linux PC

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mchou:

s/la/a

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Aval0n:

cool thanks

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mchou:

CShadowRun: mythtv tunes fine

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CShadowRun:

mchou: i've been trying for 3 hours, :(

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mchou:

CShadowRun: chances are the mythtv scanning function is the culprit

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CShadowRun:

the errors are useless too, it says things like "Failed to find any channels."

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CShadowRun:

mchou: i see

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mchou:

CShadowRun: use *zap

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CShadowRun:

mchou: *zap?

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mchou:

* depends on your locale

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CShadowRun:

Astra.28E is the satellite i'm pointed at

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mchou:

[ast]zap

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CShadowRun:

Europe, UK

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mchou:

I dont live in UK so you have to read appropriate docs

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CShadowRun:

can't find much in the way of docs that arn't very outdated

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mchou:

stop complaining

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mchou:

zap is absolutely up to dtae

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mchou:

date*

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mchou:

RTFM

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CShadowRun:

telling people to RTFM is never useful, you need to point at the correct part.

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mchou:

CShadowRun: the fact you even had to question me about zap tells me you havent read the relevant docs

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CShadowRun:

also just telling me to use zap over and over again is rather useless too

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mchou:

omg

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mchou:

buzz off then

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CShadowRun:

mchou: you need to point me at which docs your talking about for a start off

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CShadowRun:

and preferably the correct section

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mchou:

read the docs associated with zap

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mchou:

wtf is your problem?

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CShadowRun:

It seems your the one with the problem, this is a support channel, i'm asking for help, and your shouting at me.

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mchou:

no, I told you to buzz off, I'm hardly shouting

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CShadowRun:

mchou: same deal, didn't your mother teach you that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all?

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mchou:

and I gave you help

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CShadowRun:

chanting zap at someone repeatidly really isn't help

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CShadowRun:

i'm a beginner, i've never done this before, it's a steep learning curve

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mchou:

CShadowRun: so?

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CShadowRun:

cut me some slack, link me to the section of documentation i need to read, that's all i'm asking

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mchou:

buzz off

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CShadowRun:

if you don't wanna do that, your clearly not interested in helping anyone, go away.

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mchou:

zap documentation in the Readme is one freaking page

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CShadowRun:

you keep on telling me about the documentation but i havn't seen one link yet

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mchou:

no good deed goes unpunished

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mchou:

CShadowRun: that's why you use google

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CShadowRun:

you havn't done any good deeds so far, you've just told me to RTFM

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CShadowRun:

mchou: already have "zap docmuntation" turns up a bunch of development pages, and some mysql

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mchou:

lol

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CShadowRun:

the terms you are using are far too generic for me to google

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mchou:

go away

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mchou:

I don't need to deal with crybabies

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CShadowRun:

mchou: other way around, this is a support channel, if you don't want to help, leave.

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sid3windr:

zap zap zap

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mchou:

bzap!

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sid3windr:

mzap.

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tank-man:

pew pew

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mchou:

pepe le pew

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elmojo:

superm1: I believe for the mysql root password it would be sufficient if it was mentioned somewhere on the screen that this password will also be used for the mysql root password. And, no, I don't believe everyone will guess to use their personal password for this cause in my case I didn't

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elmojo:

superm1: but I'm sure you have a much better perspective of what is needed to be presented to a user than myself. so if you think mentioning this would confuse people then so be it

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elmojo:

superm1: it was easy enough for me to reinstall/reconfigure mysql-server-5.1 when I ran into so no biggie

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superm1:

elmojo, yeah that's what one of the usability guys who works on the general ubuntu installer was saying to us, to not try to present anything the user won't need to know during install

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superm1:

if it's absolutely necessary, it's better for a first boot welcome guide

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superm1:

as soon as we have our documentation sorted out better on the new site, it should be more google-able too

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elmojo:

superm1: understood... overall the installation is awesome... I'm sure it's helped the adoption rate a great deal

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superm1:

yeah, it's brought people who would usually avoid getting involved into using the project (for better or worse)

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Seeker`:

I have a problem deleteing recordings, I get the error Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1020_20090824145700.mpg' should be local, but it can not be

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Seeker`:

found

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Finswimmer:

I cannot use a tv cart, because it is not free, but not used: GET_FREE_RECORDER_COUNT = 0 and QUERY_RECORDINGS Recording 0. ??

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sid3windr:

hahaha

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sid3windr:

linux format january 2010: "can't be bothered with mythtv? write your own dvb recorder in perl" article

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sphery:

sid3windr: Let me guess... It's 1731 lines of Perl, right? ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187428#187428 )

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sphery:

KISS to all you MythTV developers.

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sid3windr:

:>

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sid3windr:

I haven't read it yet

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sid3windr:

:]

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sid3windr:

the actual name is "record freeview tv with perl"

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sid3windr:

but +- what I quoted above is on the index page ;)

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sphery:

ah, yeah, I see it (though I'm not a subscriber, so I can't read it)

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sphery:

I'll just have to imagine what it says.

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syamajala:

i'm thinking about getting a second capture card

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syamajala:

maybe a hvr-2250

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** sphery wonders why someone would choose the HVR-2250 over the HVR-1800 **

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wagnerrp:

two tuners?

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sphery:

with only digital support

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sphery:

are there 2 digital + 2 analog?

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wagnerrp:

well that, and you cant buy an 1800

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sphery:

ahyh

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wagnerrp:

sphery: its 2x hybrid tuners

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wagnerrp:

with mpeg encoders

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wagnerrp:

instead of 1x digital + 1x analog

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sphery:

I guess if he's comfortable with DVB Hg, he'll be fine

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sphery:

I see.

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sphery:

I was basing my statement on http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCIe_C . . . _PCIe_Cards:

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wagnerrp:

so if some site makes weather freely available over xml

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wagnerrp:

and tells you you can use it so long as you list their name

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wagnerrp:

you think its alright to scrape their website for a location search?

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** wagnerrp directs sphery to about 5am **

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sphery:

I think that's what the BBC ToS says... And we have a scraper for it

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sphery:

And we do show the source on screen. So that (in and of itself) isn't a stopper (though other parts might be).

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sphery:

Ah, yeah... I see. Though, as you said, he could easily follow the examples of the other scripts.

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borei:

hi all

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borei:

quick question

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borei:

can i stream video (different format) from myth to PS3 through network ?

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wagnerrp:

depends on the video

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wagnerrp:

the PS3 has a rather limited list of codecs it supports

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borei:

mkv, dvd iso

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv has no ability to transcode over UPNP

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wagnerrp:

neither of which will work

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borei:

so it's not possible to configure myth in the same way like say PS3 media server ?

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wagnerrp:

yes, it certainly is

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wagnerrp:

not with your content

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borei:

but PMS is a transcode server

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea what PMS is

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borei:

PS3 media server

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borei:

hmm, confused completly

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wagnerrp:

then no, you cannot configure mythtv to transcode in the manner that PMS does

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borei:

and what type of video can i stream ?

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borei:

so PS3 will understand it

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wagnerrp:

that information is on the PS3 website

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wagnerrp:

either you drop everything back to mpeg2 and ac3

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wagnerrp:

or you remux it to mp4, and possibly transcode the audio to aac if it isnt already

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wagnerrp:

you will have to make sure whatever h264 content you have follows some strict guidelines

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borei:

hmm, need to read something

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clever:

wagnerrp: wasnt there a patch Captain_Murdoch was working on to have the backend transcode on the fly and store multiple versions?

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sphery:

it was more a transcode before hand to any ffmpeg-supported CODEC/container

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sphery:

but it still needs work

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sphery:

and, yeah, it would allow keeping multiple versions

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clever:

is there any public version that somebody else could beta/improve?

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wagnerrp:

i didnt know he had even started on it

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wagnerrp:

last i heard was some preliminary discussion

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wagnerrp:

considering it would restructure the entire recorded table and programinfo struct

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sphery:

he has the transcode to other formats stuff in a proof-of-concept version

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sphery:

and has much work to do on the restructure of recorded/programinfo

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wagnerrp:

theres no documented grabber format for mythweather anywhere is there?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I think the existing scripts are the closest we have to documentation

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wagnerrp:

sounds good, ill put up something on the wiki when im done

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sphery:

that would be wonderful

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sphery:

not really much at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeather

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

just a list more than anything else

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wagnerrp:

list of scripts, that is

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sphery:

yeah, and most seem to be out of date ones we don't have now

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sphery:

(some because of ToS violations)

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sphery:

Weather.com's Map Room (both static and animated images) specifically

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wagnerrp:

fancy, python getopts is almost identical to perl getopt

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sphery:

you can use python for a weather script, too

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sphery:

no need to use perl\

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but i have to read perl to figure out what the hell to do

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sphery:

(and python may have benefits for users running mfe as root--no Perl taint mode)

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sphery:

ah, yeah

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sphery:

so, weather.com isn't forbidding use?

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sphery:

all I can find is http://www.weather.com/common/home/legal.html?from=footer

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sphery:

seems accuweather does ( http://www.accuweather.com/termsofusage.asp?p . . . p;traveler=0 section 3 and http://www.accuweather.com/termsofusage.asp?p . . . p;traveler=0 ("may not...utilize bots, agents, auction crawlers and other computer-based crawling programs on the Site"))

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wagnerrp:

well there has to be some API available

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wagnerrp:

there are programs that use it

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Hilikus:

is there a movies grabber for canada to use in mythmovies?

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sphery:

Yeah, I guess no one out there would ignore ToS...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: they themselves have a program that uses it

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sphery:

I think they could give themselves express written permission

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wagnerrp:

i doubt their own in-house program would be a simple scraper

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sphery:

I'm pretty sure Myth doesn't have it

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wagnerrp:

but yeah, that doesnt mean myth has the authority to use whatever interface they do have

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sphery:

and the linked perl script is a web scraper, so it's not using any api

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sphery:

actually, it's using xml

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sphery:

I don't like the "$ua->agent('Mozilla/5.0');"

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wagnerrp:

mythweather is asking for a '-d' for directory

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sphery:

who knows

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wagnerrp:

and the BBC grabber is just giving it the current

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wagnerrp:

not sure what the purpose of that is

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wagnerrp:

but... when in rome

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sphery:

work directory?

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sphery:

temp space?

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wagnerrp:

maybe the grabber pulls images directly, and puts them in that directory

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sphery:

could be

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sphery:

I don't know anything about MythWeather

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sphery:

strange... I can't get to Google, anymore.

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sphery:

ping works, but http doesn't

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sphery:

guess there's always Bing

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wagnerrp:

works here

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sphery:

OK, it's my stupid ISP. No HTTP is working now

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wagnerrp:

on a side note, santa is four minutes out of turkmenistan

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sphery:

must be doing proxy things

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awalls:

Would your ISP pay anyone to do work on Dec 24?

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wagnerrp:

there have to be people there

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wagnerrp:

for maintenance

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sphery:

seems whatever it was, they have it fixed/updated, now

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sphery:

it's working again

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wagnerrp:

huh... this site doesnt actually carry current conditions

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wagnerrp:

forecasts only

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sphery:

you're doing the norway one?

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sphery:

you are far too kind

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wagnerrp:

well it does carry my city

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wagnerrp:

and they seem to be giving some weird spline curve fitting for the data to get hour-by-hour from a 6-hr block

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sphery:

and they're messing with things, again

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wagnerrp:

?

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sphery:

gonna make it extremely difficult to do the project I was planning to do today

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sphery:

ISP--no HTTP

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wagnerrp:

TOP?

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wagnerrp:

TOR

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wagnerrp:

or too much effort

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sphery:

might have to do that if it doesn't clear up... I'll do some non-computer stuff for now, though

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clever:

sphery: could have been dns

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Hilikus:

i see in the mythvideo settings an option to grab movie trailers. how do i access that in mythfrontend?

[19:55:48]

Hilikus:

actually in video settings, it might not be mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

there is no option to grab movie trailers

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iamlindoro:

you can add trailers yourself, and associate them with a video, no grabbing or downloading is done

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Hilikus:

oh

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Hilikus:

but to add them i have to have them locally right? theres no streaming

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iamlindoro:

correct

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Hilikus:

might be interesting to allow mythbrowser to go to the right page in moviedb for a movie search query

[19:58:35]

Hilikus:

the other problem i'm having is i configured mythbrowser and can use it fine but mythnews says its not installed

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iamlindoro:

MythVideo already does allow one to visit the TMDB page for a film in trunk

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Hilikus:

but only for local videos? IIAC mythvideo is all for local videos, it won't let you do a search on something you don't have

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iamlindoro:

Why would you do a search in MythVideo for a film you don't ahve?

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Hilikus:

that what i'm saying. for mythvideo it doesn't make sense, but it is still useful to see trailers of a movie you want to see on a theater

[20:01:59]

Hilikus:

maybe its better suited for mythMovies

[20:02:03]

iamlindoro:

MytyhNetvision allows one to search TMDB for trailers

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iamlindoro:

er MythNetvision

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Hilikus:

hmm never heard of that. im gonna look it up

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iamlindoro:

not released yet

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pelmen:

guys, i need some help with remote. It's windows mce remote, RC6. I created config using irrecord. but when i relod lirc nothing happens. what should i do ?

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Hilikus:

why did you use irrecord?

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Hilikus:

there must be some profile for that RC, no?

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pelmen:

Hilikus: i have no idea... what should i do next with the profile ? when i add it in hardware.conf and reload lirc.. it still does not react

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Hilikus:

pelmen: what distro are you using

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pelmen:

mythbuntu

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Hilikus:

did you configure lirc from the menu ?

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Hilikus:

installation menu that is

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Hilikus:

is your RC not there??

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pelmen:

yes i did

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Hilikus:

was it there?

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pelmen:

nope, i chose windows mce (all)

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Hilikus:

why did you use irrecord then??

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Hilikus:

AFAIK irrecord is for unknown remotes

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pelmen:

Hilikus: i did not have to ? ok what should i do... irrecord and mode2 see the commands, irw give me – connection refused

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Hilikus:

what did your hardware.conf look like after the automatic setup and what did you change it to

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pelmen:

it had /mceusb.conf i changed it to my.conf

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Hilikus:

iamlindoro: MNV looks awesome!

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pelmen:

it did not work after automatic either

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Hilikus:

is it USB??

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pelmen:

yep

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Hilikus:

ok, put it back to wjat it was

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iamlindoro:

Hilikus, That's because it is ;)

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Hilikus:

or run dpkg-reconfigure lirc

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pelmen:

ok a sec

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pelmen:

done

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pelmen:

Hilikus: what next ?

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Hilikus:

what module is hardware.conf showing?

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pelmen:

lircd.conf.mceusb

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pelmen:

ups

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pelmen:

i meant lirc_dev and lirc_mceusb

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Hilikus:

are those 2 loaded?

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pelmen:

yes

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Hilikus:

ls /dev/lir*

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Hilikus:

what do you get

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pelmen:

/dev/lirc0 and /dev/lircd

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Hilikus:

restart lirc with sudo service lirc restart

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pelmen:

done

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Hilikus:

dmesg | tail

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Hilikus:

any errors?

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pelmen:

nope

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Hilikus:

ok, so irw

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pelmen:

it opens and receives nothing

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pelmen:

but if i do irw /dev/lirc0

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pelmen:

it tells me connection refused

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Hilikus:

ls /var/run/lirc

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pelmen:

lircd lircd.pid

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Hilikus:

when you do irw it just waits?

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pelmen:

yep

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pelmen:

with blank string

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Hilikus:

and you press a key and nothing?

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Hilikus:

RC key

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pelmen:

yep

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pelmen:

zilch

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Hilikus:

after irw, check your syslog

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Hilikus:

does it say it accepted the client?

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pelmen:

nope

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Hilikus:

what do you get>

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pelmen:

could not open /dev/lirc0

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Hilikus:

Dec 24 15:30:29 mazinger lircd-0.8.6[1529]: accepted new client on /var/run/lirc/lircd

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pelmen:

device or resource busy

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pelmen:

failed to initiate hardware

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Hilikus:

but just run irw

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pelmen:

removed client

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Hilikus:

don't use lirc0

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pelmen:

i did

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pelmen:

i run "irw"

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clever:

/dev/lirc0 is made by the kernel, and only used by the lircd program

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clever:

/dev/lircd is made by the lircd program, and used by irq and mythtv (amoung others)

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pelmen:

ok once again just running irw

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clever:

irw wont work until lircd is started

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Hilikus:

paste your hardware.conf somewhere

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Hilikus:

clever: he has it running

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pelmen:

accepted new client on /var/run/lirc/lircd

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Hilikus:

there you go

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pelmen:

and then :)

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Hilikus:

so the problem is the mapping

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pelmen:

could not open /dev/lirc0

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pelmen:

:)

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pelmen:

device busy

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pelmen:

Dec 24 15:29:37 m-server lircd-0.8.6[4195]: Failed to initialize hardware

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pelmen:

Dec 24 15:30:17 m-server lircd-0.8.6[4195]: removed client

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pelmen:

Dec 24 15:30:18 m-server wpa_supplicant[974]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS

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pelmen:

Dec 24 15:31:18 m-server wpa_supplicant[974]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS

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pelmen:

Dec 24 15:32:18 m-server wpa_supplicant[974]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS

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pelmen:

Dec 24 15:32:55 m-server lircd-0.8.6[4195]: accepted new client on /var/run/lirc/lircd

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pelmen:

Dec 24 15:32:55 m-server lircd-0.8.6[4195]: could not open /dev/lirc0

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pelmen:

Dec 24 15:32:55 m-server lircd-0.8.6[4195]: default_init(): Device or resource busy

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Hilikus:

not here

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pelmen:

Dec 24 15:32:55 m-server lircd-0.8.6[4195]: Failed to initialize hardware

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pelmen:

Dec 24 15:33:18 m-server wpa_supplicant[974]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS

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pelmen:

yeah sorry :)(

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Hilikus:

pelmen: try rebooting and testing again. that helped me

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pelmen:

http://pastebin.com/m5c8be43e

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pelmen:

Hilikus: done than many times :)

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Hilikus:

reboot and do irw and check if syslog has that same error could not open /dev/lirc0

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pelmen:

ok

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pelmen:

Hilikus: what about permissions on /dev/lirc ?

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Hilikus:

mine are root and they work fine

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Hilikus:

i guess it doesnt matter

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pelmen:

Hilikus: ok now it just says accepted new client and nothing about could not open

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Hilikus:

ok

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Hilikus:

but still no message when you press a key in the RC?

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pelmen:

yep

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Hilikus:

ok, so the mapping is wrong. i had that same problem originally

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Hilikus:

mceusb/lircd.conf.mceusb

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pelmen:

please :) help me :) 2nd day struggling :)

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Hilikus:

check that fike

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pelmen:

ok where is it lying ?

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Hilikus:

i dont remember, try locate lircd.conf.mceusb

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pelmen:

ok do you need it's output ?

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Hilikus:

ok, its in /usr/share/lirc/remotes

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pelmen:

yeah found it

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Hilikus:

paste the content

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Hilikus:

not here!

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pelmen:

:)

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pelmen:

a second

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pelmen:

http://pastebin.com/d6e8531ec

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pelmen:

mine config, generated by irremote is a little different

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Hilikus:

do you recognize the RC from all those?

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pelmen:

yeah i think

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Hilikus:

what did it for me was removing all the wrong ones. try commenting out all except one, if it doesnt work try the next one etc

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Hilikus:

you need to restart lirc every time

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pelmen:

i see, so if irw is not recongnising keys, it means- mappings are wrong

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Hilikus:

yes

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Hilikus:

the module seems fine

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pelmen:

ok i'll start woring on that :) thanks

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Hilikus:

its the mapping

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wagnerrp:

wow... youtube just completely altered their site mid-way through searching for something

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Hilikus:

pelmen: did it work?

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pelmen:

nope

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pelmen:

no idea

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gbee:

I've lost all faith in wifi, it's a friggin' arms race and I'm tired of fighting my neighbours

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mzb:

semaphore?

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wagnerrp:

drop the nuke!

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kormoc:

time to upgrade to explosives

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wagnerrp:

(put an unshielded magnatron from a microwave in your attic)

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wagnerrp:

fire it up for a few seconds every minute or two

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mzb:

spark-gap transmitter :)

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gbee:

heh

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wagnerrp:

uh, sir? were receiving complaints that youre running an unlicensed microwave transmitter at upwards of 1kW

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mzb:

they'd track you down pretty quick

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iamlindoro:

But on the plus side, no need to worry about birth control from that point

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mzb:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

nah, the power density would be sufficiently low inside the house that it wouldnt cause problems

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wagnerrp:

not at those low frequencies anyway

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temo:

hi

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wagnerrp:

although i did have an uncle that used to work on radar equipment in the military

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wagnerrp:

people he worked with would go into the transmitter and dose themselves before a night on the town

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mzb:

so they'd glow in the dark?

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mzb:

(might have made getting home easier;)

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wagnerrp:

i never understood why people associated glowing with radiation

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Hilikus:

if i rename a channel or change its callsign, will recording schedules get screwed up?

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mzb:

movies

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wagnerrp:

yeah, where did movies get it from

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mzb:

what was the point of the dose?

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wagnerrp:

Hilikus: if you have schedules set to only record on a specific channel, yes

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wagnerrp:

mzb: sterilization

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mzb:

(the easiest effect to do in the 50's?)

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wagnerrp:

they would be shooting blanks for days afterwords

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mzb:

wow ... seems a bit extreme

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, because... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation ?

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temo:

Hi all

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mzb:

*cackle*

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Hilikus:

wagnerrp: is there a safe way to do it so that the record table gets updated accordingly?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: but thats only when youre immersed in water

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wagnerrp:

or in some other medium with a significantly reduced speed of light

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, so?

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iamlindoro:

"<wagnerrp> i never understood why people associated glowing with radiation"

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iamlindoro:

is what you said

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wagnerrp:

so it only occurs in heavy water reactors

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iamlindoro:

and they associate it because... in common instances of radiation... it does

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wagnerrp:

and besides, its a bluish glow, rather than the pale green

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, so? Again?

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iamlindoro:

nobody said green

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iamlindoro:

you asid you didn't understand why people associate glowing with radiation... except a common radiation-filled environment *does* include glowing

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mzb:

this is very entertaining for Christmas morning ;)

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** mzb lives in the future ;) **

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justinh:

whee

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justinh:

season's greetz

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pelmen:

Hilikus: ok i got irw working, I had firstly to record all the keys using irrecord, then replaced mceconfig with mine

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pelmen:

Hilikus: so how do i know make mythtv to be controllable ?

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justinh:

pelmen: you have to make mythtv's ~/.mythtv/lircrc button definitions agree with the names in lircd.conf

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justinh:

easy peasy. you've done the hard bit

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pelmen:

justinh: aha...

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pelmen:

thanks....

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pelmen:

justinh: because now my key names are like key_pause, key_record

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justinh:

e.g. if a button is called FOOBAR in lircd.conf, call it FOOBAR in the lircrc file (text sensitive)

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pelmen:

can i auto regenerate lircrc ?

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justinh:

dunno. maybe mythbuntu's lirc wizardry thing can

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wagnerrp:

no, but you may be able to find one on the internet

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justinh:

plenty on the interwebs. their button names likely won't match yours though :P

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pelmen:

justinh: hmm, can i do simpler and rename buttons in lircd.conf ?

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wagnerrp:

you can, but you shouldnt

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wagnerrp:

thats absolutely the wrong way to do it

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pelmen:

i see

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wagnerrp:

lircd exists to define the buttons on a remote

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wagnerrp:

lircd.conf that is

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pelmen:

ok fine, i'll do it the hard way :)

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wagnerrp:

lircrc exists to map buttons to a program

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wagnerrp:

that is the *easy* way

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pelmen:

wagnerrp: could you explain me, in lircrc there are two buttons "button" and "config" which one shoul i rename ?

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pelmen:

i think button

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justinh:

config is the line which says which key to send mythtv

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justinh:

e.g. config = P would send P

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pelmen:

aha thanks

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pelmen:

in order for new bindings to work, how do i restart lircrc ?

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justinh:

you only need to restart mythfrontend

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pelmen:

gotvha

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wagnerrp:

right, lircrc is a file read in by any application that wants to interface with lircd

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wagnerrp:

and myth interfaces directly

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wagnerrp:

rather than relying on something like irxevent to send key codes

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pizzledizzle:

i just connected a new tv to my mythtv and all the sudden i got this weird blue line on all recordings and livetv

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pizzledizzle:

there's supposedly some 'fix' involving xvattr, but when i use it, it gives me an error, saying invalid parameters

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MartinJT:

anyone know of a reason why a location search in MythWeather wouldn't return any results?

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MartinJT:

tried searching for London and New York and not getting anything...

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iamlindoro:

likely because you are using a grabber which either doesn't cover those locales, or whose search term is not city

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justinh:

wow yet another very descriptive report

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justinh:

'this weird blue line'

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pizzledizzle:

it's a line, it's blue, and since it's out of place, it's weird

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justinh:

where?

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pizzledizzle:

top of the screen

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justinh:

sounds like another of those things you need to overscan offscreen

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MartinJT:

pizzledizzle, you using xvmc?

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pizzledizzle:

what's that

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MartinJT:

it's a video thing...

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pizzledizzle:

im just using mythbuntu

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justinh:

if you have to ask, you prolly ain't

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MartinJT:

does it only appear when watching things, ie. not when you're navigating the menus...

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pizzledizzle:

this command (xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 0) is supposed to fix it but my ssytem doesnt have XV_COLORKEY attribute for some reason

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pizzledizzle:

it only appears when watching stuff. it doesnt matter anywhere else

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MartinJT:

yes that's correct... it's an xvmc thing... you just need to run that command in a terminal window... and then find a way to make it run at startup...

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MartinJT:

it can't be run via ssh...

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pizzledizzle:

i did run it, it told me badmatch invalid parameters

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clever:

MartinJT: DISPLAY=:0.0 xvattr .....

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clever:

MartinJT: now it works in ssh

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MartinJT:

clever... aren't you just...

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clever:

yes i am

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justinh:

it's NOT an xvmc thing. jees

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justinh:

Xv maybe

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MartinJT:

now, could you tell me where to add it in startup...

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pizzledizzle:

sec, ill paste the error from xvattr somewhere

[22:02:58]

justinh:

try xvattr --help

[22:03:14]

clever:

MartinJT: setting DISPLAY in .bashrc would work, but it causes alot of problems also

[22:04:00]

pizzledizzle:

http://pastebin.com/m3710834d

[22:04:12]

pizzledizzle:

here's he error

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justinh:

does your video driver even provide Xv ?

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MartinJT:

that's where I got from... it's in the XvMC wiki article...

[22:06:59]

clever:

i'm getting the exact same error here

[22:07:08]

clever:

with my xvmc capable system (but i only ever use xv)

[22:07:18]

justinh:

it's to do with Xv, not xvmc

[22:08:24]

[R]:

does anyone know of an external hardware solution for wake-on-lan?

[22:10:51]

justinh:

uncle Bub's external hardware WoL box thingy gubbins, only tenny dollar

[22:11:26]

justinh:

by external do you mean something which does away with needing to take the box to bits?

[22:11:41]

pelmen:

guys why would i have no sound over hdmi cable using nvidioa ion ?

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justinh:

anyway I thought it was supposed to be Christmas. wtf are people messing with computers for?

[22:12:24]

Hilikus:

i'm getting errors from cron

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MartinJT:

justinh, are you alone for christmas or something?

[22:12:25]

Hilikus:

/etc/cron.hourly/mythvideo exited with return code 1

[22:12:34]

MartinJT:

you seem very bitter....

[22:12:37]

Hilikus:

its something to do with jamu

[22:12:42]

justinh:

MartinJT: far from it

[22:12:49]

Hilikus:

any idea what could be wrong?

[22:13:08]

justinh:

MartinJT: just every question in here is pretty much always something people could sort by reading :)

[22:13:34]

justinh:

anyway it's the internets. sorry for not being all huggy. this isn't #canonical

[22:14:26]

pizzledizzle:

looks like it's a problem that only i have. cant find anything on google about it

[22:14:30]

justinh:

spend long enough in this channel, you do get bitter, or silent :D

[22:14:58]

RDV_Linux:

Hilikus: From a terminal session run the command ./jamu v and then ./jamu -MVf and pastebin the full output from both runs.

[22:15:04]

justinh:

anyway, time to eff off. Have a good one folks

[22:15:16]

RDV_Linux:

s/jamu v/jamu -v/

[22:15:17]

MartinJT:

ok... where do I specify which grabber mythweather uses...

[22:15:32]

Hilikus:

mmm nm, its a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythvideo/+bug/485538

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Hilikus:

thanks RDV_Linux

[22:17:01]

RDV_Linux:

Hilikus: As it says in the bug report it has been fixed for a while. Update you install from http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

[22:19:46]

MartinJT:

anyone know where I specify the grabber for mythweather?

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pizzledizzle:

the video card i have is nvidia 440mx... couldnt it be why xvattr can't change colorkey on it?

[22:20:26]

MartinJT:

mine is a 7300gt and it doesn't seem to work on that either...

[22:20:44]

MartinJT:

I think the command has probably changed in karmic...

[22:21:04]

pizzledizzle:

how do you change the color of the overlay then?

[22:22:23]

MartinJT:

not the right person I'm afraid... I'd suggest looking at the xvattr command and how it works...

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justinh:

like I said xvattr --help might help there

[22:39:44]

justinh:

and if that isn't any help maybe start looking at why not – like say your video driver doesn't support Xv out of the box

[22:40:04]

justinh:

cos Xv attributes won't be any use if there's no Xv ;)

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justinh:

like if you have a nvidia card but aren't using the closed source driver.. AFAIK there's no Xv in the open source nv driver

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pizzledizzle:

im using geforce 440mx with proprietary driver

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justinh:

does xvattr --help give you anything of use?

[22:44:13]

pizzledizzle:

For this program to work, you must have a version of X11 with the

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pizzledizzle:

XVideo extension and a graphics card that has Xv graphics acceleration.

[22:44:39]

justinh:

is that it?

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pizzledizzle:

guess i have to figure out if my gfx card supports xv graphics acceleration

[22:45:04]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: any chance that 7741 will make it into 0.22-fixes?

[22:45:22]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, probably not

[22:45:30]

justinh:

pizzledizzle: should be fine with the right driver

[22:45:42]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, not with freeze for .23 coming in 30ish days

[22:45:49]

justinh:

pizzledizzle: I think you need the nvidia legacy driver

[22:46:00]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: freeze it that soon!

[22:46:07]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, Yep, 2/1/10

[22:46:09]

justinh:

jees

[22:46:33]

iamlindoro:

and then 6/1/10, 10/1/10, etc.

[22:46:36]

justinh:

I'll give up all hope of rejigging the menus in time for 0.23 then

[22:46:53]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: so if my patches don't get committed in the next 30 days they will be pushed out?

[22:47:01]

iamlindoro:

oh sure, now complain that the project is releasing *too* fast ;)

[22:47:16]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, I don't think so, all yours are bugfixes and not new features IMHO

[22:47:17]

justinh:

hey I never moaned the releases were too far apart

[22:47:25]

iamlindoro:

so they can go in right up to the line IMO

[22:47:27]

justinh:

;)

[22:47:45]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: ok, sounds good

[22:48:42]

justinh:

ach well. least if I get something done while I'm off work & manage to get it committed it'll make it into trunk & then I'll just use trunk from then on

[22:49:18]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: since nothing that disruptive has been committed to trunk I'll probably just up all my boxes to it

[22:49:29]

justinh:

these things will be worth waiting for, after all :)

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iamlindoro:

think .23 is very much an incremental release, .24 should get more new features

[22:51:04]

justinh:

IIRC the odd numbered releases have always been better for some reason

[22:51:18]

justinh:

duh even, even

[22:51:44]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: I think a lot of users are wondering why the delay on backport to -fixes and the devs don't see the point with 0.23 so close

[22:52:03]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, Wondering why on the bookmark dialog?

[22:52:09]

justinh:

elmojo: let them eat cake :)

[22:52:15]

justinh:

everybody!

[22:52:18]

elmojo:

hehe

[22:52:24]

iamlindoro:

pretty much all the bugfixes for .23 have been backported

[22:52:25]

gbee:

how would average Cat 5/6 fair outdoors? Think the only way I can realistically route cable in this place is to run it along an exterior wall

[22:52:26]

superm1:

iamlindoro, who should i be bugging about my patches? they've not even gotten commented on yet..

[22:52:34]

gbee:

conduit is an option

[22:52:50]

iamlindoro:

superm1, If they're less than a year old, it's still too soon ;)

[22:53:15]

superm1:

iamlindoro, haha. well i would much rather see them land in 0.23 than sit there turn stale and irrelevant...

[22:53:32]

iamlindoro:

If you're talking about the shutdown stuff, I don't know-- that kind of thing will likely need someone to take an interest in them

[22:53:35]

justinh:

gbee: not well. it won't like the cold

[22:53:42]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: for users who use a keyboard, aka me, the bookmark dialog causes the focus to be lost

[22:53:50]

superm1:

iamlindoro, yeah its all the shutdown stuff

[22:54:07]

justinh:

gbee: that said, it never gets *that* cold in the uk. it'll just get a bit stiff is all

[22:54:12]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, I know, but it hasn't even been tested or applied to trunk yet

[22:54:20]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, so a backport at the moment would be out of the question

[22:54:33]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: sure... just want it to be in 0.23

[22:54:40]

iamlindoro:

superm1, Suspect you'll need to find someone who uses/is interested in said stuff, then

[22:54:41]

elmojo:

and I've tested it and it works great

[22:54:47]

justinh:

gbee: fwiw, plastic conduit should be ok :)

[22:54:55]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, It will likely be in .23

[22:55:00]

iamlindoro:

I will take a look at it before then

[22:55:04]

elmojo:

thanks

[22:55:18]

justinh:

the rounded stuff, not the crappy clip together rectangular section junk

[22:55:29]

gbee:

yeah

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superm1:

iamlindoro, /shrug. i am suspecting i wrote them for no reason then if no one is interested in better integrating with standard systems

[22:55:50]

gbee:

ok, might be the first project of the new year then

[22:56:04]

_abbenormal:

hey all have a safe and fun holiday

[22:56:05]

justinh:

I've pondered doing exactly the same since I realised the leccy cable to my shower goes up the conduit leading upstairs

[22:56:18]

elmojo:

seems like the ffmpeg sync will be much better this time since a lot of the activity appears to be bugfixes

[22:56:24]

justinh:

_abbenormal: the fun starts tomorrow when we escape the inlaws' ! :D

[22:56:27]

_abbenormal:

hey iamlindoro you and your family have a good christmas

[22:56:40]

justinh:

_abbenormal: anyway, you too

[22:56:44]

iamlindoro:

superm1, *lots* of patches sit around before someone looks at them, particularly so for feature patches, it's not as though it's personal

[22:56:47]

iamlindoro:

_abbenormal, likewise! :)

[22:57:19]

iamlindoro:

superm1, Since IIRC those were submitted this month, if they had been looked at yet it would be extraodrinarily above average

[22:57:58]

superm1:

guess i'm used to how things work in gnome world and other projects then that you get at least some feedback before they even get a chance to turn stale

[22:58:03]

iamlindoro:

That's not to asy it's the way it should be, just that 30 days is expecting a bit much given recent history

[22:58:09]

_abbenormal:

thank you guys

[22:58:51]

elmojo:

I'm just going to start categorizing all my patches as fixes for DVD playback problems

[22:58:53]

iamlindoro:

It also doesn't hurt that a lot of the workhorses on the project burnt themselves out last cycle and received nothing but grief from users and patch submitters alike for their efforts

[22:59:06]

justinh:

just when we thought the little animated bugger had croaked...

[22:59:23]

elmojo:

lots of bravado applied to those types of problems

[22:59:28]

iamlindoro:

ie, rewrite huge chunks of the code from scratch, and get berated nonstop about how the old code was better because the right arrow brought up the menu

[23:00:01]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, heh

[23:00:11]

justinh:

cojonoes!

[23:00:16]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: just having fun :)

[23:00:21]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, I know

[23:00:21]

justinh:

you gotta break a few eggs ...

[23:00:31]

superm1:

i can empathize with those types of problems with burning out working something to death

[23:00:33]

justinh:

s/eggs/legs

[23:01:00]

iamlindoro:

just like themes

[23:01:10]

_abbenormal:

lol legs

[23:01:17]

iamlindoro:

lose users caterwauling about how flashy media centers are better...

[23:01:29]

iamlindoro:

but when you try to improve it, everyone just wants to use GANT

[23:01:47]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: more importantly... do you think ArcLight will have a chance to be ready by .23 release?

[23:01:48]

justinh:

IMHO some things can be handled a little better in terms of informing people about functional changes but people only have so many pairs of hands

[23:01:57]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, Arclight will be out for sure

[23:02:35]

iamlindoro:

elmojo, It's ready-ish right now, really only waiting on one patch to be committed and to see if any other UI fanciness appears in time

[23:02:46]

sphery:

question is whether any other themes will be done by then--like themes for the contest

[23:02:55]

justinh:

I can wait to see the caterwalling about the stuff I've got on my list ;)

[23:03:30]

elmojo:

cool... I can handle my patches not getting committed but will unlikely be able to hack into your system so steal ArcLight

[23:03:50]

iamlindoro:

heh

[23:04:06]

iamlindoro:

There are a few things to finish up with it, but nothing I can't get done in a weekend

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justinh:

got concept pretty tidy now. might want to revisit all the popups though. and it wont pass many folks definition of 'complete' :)

[23:10:12]

justinh:

I don't tink anything has ever taken me this long to get to where it is

[23:12:00]

pizzledizzle:

aaahh this blue line is driving me nuts

[23:12:18]

[R]:

wtf mate... why were people saying you can't allocate 512mb for the GPU on an ion system w/o 2gb of ram... its working fine for me

[23:12:39]

antgel:

[R]: people say all kinds of shizzle

[23:12:42]

[R]:

lol

[23:12:47]

clever:

pizzledizzle: step 1, get some duct tape, step2, cut a peice, step3, place it over the blue line

[23:13:11]

justinh:

on the internets anything & everything can be 'true'

[23:13:14]

[R]:

i can't get wake on lan to work on my backend... so i was gonna swap it out with anotehr motherboard... but i have no ram for that motherboard... but if i can' pull 1gb from my ion... then its all good

[23:13:33]

antgel:

surely it's easier to leave it switched on *cough*

[23:13:39]

clever:

[R]: what if you add an old cheap 100mbit card

[23:13:44]

clever:

and use its WOL

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[R]:

clever: i've tried 2

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[R]:

the motherboard i ahve is complete crap

[23:14:00]

pizzledizzle:

if i overscan in nvidia-settings, it cuts off 5% of bottom portion of the screen before it even removes the blue line on top

[23:14:16]

clever:

[R]: does the link LED come on when the motherboard is off?

[23:14:31]

[R]:

so when using the onboard lan... the leds aren't on... but the led on the switch is on

[23:14:33]

justinh:

pizzledizzle: another way is to go into the tv settings playback settings page & set it to overscan a tad

[23:14:38]

[R]:

with both of the 2 pci cards i tried... netiher leds were on

[23:14:59]

clever:

[R]: ok, then the standby power on the PCI isnt there, or its disabled, so the pci cards wont work at all

[23:15:12]

pizzledizzle:

hm gonna try that

[23:15:33]

justinh:

cant remember exactly where the settings is, sorry

[23:15:42]

clever:

[R]: this reminds me of the day the tech dude at school was changing pci boards, with the power still connected, and standby power still live:P

[23:15:57]

[R]:

i always unplug the cord from the computer

[23:16:08]

justinh:

mmm drool. xmas lunch at my parents' place tomorrow

[23:16:30]

antgel:

went to toby carvery for dad's 75th tonight. it was, um, cheap

[23:17:04]

antgel:

justinh: where you based? how's snow where you are?

[23:17:23]

justinh:

Blyth in Northumberland

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xand:

ah, snow... we had some of that last week

[23:17:37]

justinh:

UK. they had snow when we arrived. now mostly ice

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antgel:

eek, sounds like a cold part of the world ;)

[23:18:02]

antgel:

justinh: i knew it was .uk due to your bitching whenever i mention ITV HD

[23:18:11]

justinh:

heh

[23:18:44]

antgel:

which i am about to try to get working with manual trickery, not for the first time in my life

[23:18:53]

justinh:

Down to Co. Durham tomorrow & home to Manchester the day after. back to work on the 7th :D

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justinh:

inlaws have another new telly. £800 at the Sony shop & it sucks

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clever:

justinh: whats wrong/bad with it?

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antgel:

who buys anything at the sony shop

[23:19:51]

justinh:

inlaws ;)

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justinh:

told em to shop around & get John Lewis to price match

[23:20:14]

antgel:

i always wonder what sort of crint goes in there :D

[23:20:33]

justinh:

at least with JL they'd get free delivery, free 5 year warranty...

[23:20:38]

antgel:

i like the north-east actually, as a londoner i find it much more amenable than the north west

[23:20:56]

justinh:

yeah the people are well friendlier here

[23:20:58]

antgel:

although maybe i need to go further up the M6 than manchester

[23:21:12]

justinh:

had the dog out for a walk & random people were coming over for a chat

[23:21:38]

justinh:

never happens in manchester. its head is stuck up its...

[23:21:41]

antgel:

i like newcastle. i would particularly like to go for a night out there, the ladies look like fun

[23:22:04]

justinh:

antgel: the ironic thing is that it isn't just the locals ;)

[23:22:24]

justinh:

the place seems to have that effect on everybody

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pizzledizzle:

justinh, that did it. i got rid of it.

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pizzledizzle:

thx for help guys

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justinh:

must be xmas. somebody saying that. awww :)

[23:24:40]

iamlindoro:

yeah, see you with 2010's thanks in 364 days

[23:24:46]

[R]:

is this an accident waiting to happen? on my frontend i have 512MB of RAM, theres like 15mb free and 128mb cached...

[23:27:50]

Dagmar:

So where's the rest of it

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gbee:

512MB is an awfully small amount of RAM

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clever:

[R]: cached is basicaly free, and if you have swap then it will be alot more stable

[23:37:40]

[R]:

no swap

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[R]:

Dagmar: used

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antgel:

gbee: ping?

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** antgel reads up **

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antgel:

i'm looking at your pastebin from 11th dec – http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1711197 and your frequency 11426H for itv hd. but see the last comment at http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1711197. i don't understand how some people get it at 10510 and some at 11426

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