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| [00:08:51] | Nidhoegger: | okay strange problem |
| [00:09:23] | Nidhoegger: | jamu.py says that it cant import the mythtv python bindings, but they exist under /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/MythTV/ |
| [00:09:27] | Nidhoegger: | what can the problem be? |
| [00:11:01] | RDV_Linux: | Nidhoegger: In the wiki it suggests that the problem may be your missing or mis-configured config.xml file. Look in the Jamu wiki. |
| [00:11:28] | Dagmar: | Broken install |
| [00:14:23] | Nidhoegger: | i didnt conifgure config.xml at all |
| [00:14:29] | Nidhoegger: | i thougth that portage is doing that |
| [00:18:44] | Dagmar: | That seems somewhat insane |
| [00:18:54] | Dagmar: | python has a search path just like perl does |
| [00:19:31] | Nidhoegger: | the files are in the right place |
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| [00:20:04] | Dagmar: | So either a) you're wrong and the files are in the wrong place or |
| [00:20:16] | Dagmar: | b) you're wrong and the error isn't what you say it is or |
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| [00:20:29] | Dagmar: | c) the python bindings AREN't actually installed properly |
| [00:20:53] | Dagmar: | or d) jamu is wrong and their coders can't even call in new and already installed packages properly |
| [00:20:54] | RDV_Linux: | Nidhoegger: Pastbin me two things. The full error out put and the ourput from ./jamu -v |
| [00:21:12] | Nidhoegger: | ive discovered the error only occurs as "root" |
| [00:21:20] | Nidhoegger: | as normal user it works for some reason... |
| [00:22:11] | Dagmar: | So b) it is then |
| [00:22:25] | Nidhoegger: | ;) |
| [00:23:52] | RDV_Linux: | Nidhoegger: Root has its own ~/.mythtv/config.xml file |
| [00:24:20] | pyther: | Does anyone have the HD-PVR? |
| [00:24:23] | RDV_Linux: | Just copy the working one |
| [00:24:37] | RDV_Linux: | pyther: I have one and love it. |
| [00:25:18] | pyther: | RDV_Linux, would it be possible for you to record like a 2 minute sample and send it to me? |
| [00:25:48] | pyther: | I have the device at work, but that won't do me any good |
| [00:25:59] | iamlindoro: | There are samples on the wiki page |
| [00:26:00] | RDV_Linux: | pyther: There are many sample recordings on the Internet just google. |
| [00:26:10] | pyther: | iamlindoro, those torrents don't work |
| [00:26:21] | pyther: | I get ts demux error: MPEG-4 descriptor not found when ever I try to stream the output in vlc :( |
| [00:26:31] | pyther: | however I can play from vlc just fine |
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| [00:27:45] | Dagmar: | So tell the VLC peopel |
| [00:28:25] | pyther: | Dagmar, lol, their forums are down and I think it is a packaging issue, I want to try with my version of vlc (I use a different distro) |
| [00:28:36] | pyther: | and I googled for samples and I found something |
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| [01:24:38] | achandra: | Hello, need a good recommendation for a remote.. I bought a VRC-1100 but there are numerous issues posted about it..including keymap issues. Any recommendations? |
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| [01:30:13] | Dassu: | Is there a tool for a mythtv that supports streaming youtube+rewinding and pausing the stream? |
| [01:30:42] | Dassu: | Mythstream seems to "stop recording" at certain point if I pause it |
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| [02:14:52] | clever: | *** glibc detected *** mythbackend: corrupted double-linked list: 0x081c4f18 *** |
| [02:15:06] | clever: | ah, this one might be my fault |
| [02:15:19] | clever: | i see one of my functions in the backtrace |
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| [03:07:41] | bllz: | why would the mythtv frontend interface immediately fade to black when the frontend loads? |
| [03:07:49] | achew22: | When I start mythfrontend I get a "Bus error", does anyone know how to debug that? |
| [03:10:22] | achew22: | Nevermind, aptitude removing and reinstalling it fixed it. |
| [03:12:36] | bllz: | achew22: how do you start the frontend from the command line? |
| [03:12:47] | bllz: | achew22: i figure you knwo since you're reporting an error lol |
| [03:13:01] | achew22: | Yeah, I was opening a terminal and typing "mythfrontend" |
| [03:13:27] | bllz: | achew22; well there's your problem |
| [03:13:37] | bllz: | achew22: no X server support from cli |
| [03:13:42] | bllz: | reboot and be merry =) |
| [03:13:53] | achew22: | um... it was a graphical terminal in Gnome |
| [03:13:58] | achew22: | I believe that means X support |
| [03:14:08] | achew22: | I even took the precaution of typing DISPLAY=:0 in some cases |
| [03:14:17] | bllz: | achew22: are you using opengl? |
| [03:14:32] | achew22: | isn't opengl a prereq for myth? |
| [03:14:35] | bllz: | no |
| [03:14:38] | bllz: | it's an option |
| [03:14:46] | achew22: | how do you render without opengl? |
| [03:14:48] | bllz: | but if you're using it as your paint engine taht will also cause a failure |
| [03:14:58] | bllz: | achew22: not sure, tbh. the other option is QT |
| [03:15:19] | achew22: | QT is a thin layet to OpenGL though as I understand it |
| [03:15:21] | bllz: | but I *just* had an issue with opengl in vnc |
| [03:15:32] | bllz: | achew22: hmm... i really don't konw |
| [03:15:40] | bllz: | you're probably right |
| [03:16:49] | achew22: | OpenGL is a REALLY low level thing. If you draw to the screen it is most likely going through OpenGL at some point (if you're doing moving graphics). Be it by SDL, QT, GTK, TK/TCL or any of the other billions of drawing libraries. |
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| [03:17:34] | bllz: | aah okay |
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| [04:24:19] | Hilikus: | is there any advantage on using a DM like gnome vs a lightweight one like fluxbox? |
| [04:24:26] | Hilikus: | in terms of quality or features |
| [04:24:51] | wagnerrp: | in terms of mythtv use... what could they possibly provide? |
| [04:25:09] | Hilikus: | filters, i don't know. that's why i'm asking here |
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| [04:25:19] | wagnerrp: | filters for what? |
| [04:25:21] | Hilikus: | effects in the UI |
| [04:25:23] | oobe: | if you running mythfrontend on a frontend only machine i would choose fluxbox |
| [04:25:24] | Hilikus: | for playback |
| [04:26:08] | oobe: | if you like having a desktop aswell for other tasks and actually use the same machine for email web browsing ect. then use a DE |
| [04:26:21] | Hilikus: | no, i don't. it's just a frontend |
| [04:26:31] | oobe: | your better off with fluxbox |
| [04:26:35] | Hilikus: | cool, thanks |
| [04:26:37] | wagnerrp: | fluxbox, evilwm, ratpoison, enlighenment, xfce.... just choose something small that will get out of the way |
| [04:27:22] | wagnerrp: | theres no real 'best', but theres any handful of window manager that run under 1MB of usage you can choose from |
| [04:27:48] | Hilikus: | i'll go with fluxbox then |
| [04:28:06] | oobe: | i actual use the machine im on now for several things but i have a seperate x session running fluxbox just for mythfrontend |
| [04:28:20] | oobe: | i.e kde interferes with mythfrontend |
| [04:28:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | oobe: it does? |
| [04:28:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | oobe: I run kde on most of my myth boxes and haven't noticed any issues... |
| [04:29:09] | oobe: | well it has in the past i have been doing this for a few years now |
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| [04:29:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | oobe: me too... since at least 0.17 (or was it 0.16?) ;-) |
| [04:29:37] | oobe: | J-e-f-f-A, i have messenger contacts sign alerts etc. |
| [04:29:53] | oobe: | things like that interfere with playback |
| [04:30:09] | oobe: | i just prefer having an xsession dedicated to mythfrontend |
| [04:30:20] | oobe: | and switching screens to watch video |
| [04:30:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | oobe: Ok, well, I don't generally 'do' anything else when using mythfrontend... Unless it's on my backend box, and then I usually run the frontend in a window. ;-) |
| [04:31:00] | oobe: | unfortunatly i can no longer pause playback and switch in .22 as it makes the seektable play real fast and end the video |
| [04:31:23] | oobe: | J-e-f-f-A, i know im different |
| [04:31:37] | oobe: | i cant do one thing for very long |
| [04:31:46] | oobe: | i will watch a 40 min show in 3 parts |
| [04:32:01] | oobe: | or a movie over a few days in 15 mins intervals |
| [04:33:04] | ** J-e-f-f-A once watched the first 3 seasons of 24 more-or-less straight through over 4 days... :-O ** | |
| [04:34:46] | oobe: | lol |
| [04:34:53] | oobe: | i do that somtime too |
| [04:35:33] | oobe: | anyway i love having seperate tty for myth and kde |
| [04:35:53] | oobe: | occasionally there are bugs some are not mythtv related |
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| [04:36:12] | oobe: | nvidia drivers made my DE crash every 4 or so days |
| [04:36:27] | oobe: | so now when i get a driver that works well i rarely upgrade |
| [04:37:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | I can't really say I've experienced the same issues... I've pretty much done the same thing – "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"... |
| [04:37:21] | oobe: | i remember there was a NVIDIA bug that made the screen go pink during video playback and the machine had to be hard reset |
| [04:37:52] | oobe: | that was the worst cause i didnt know it was the driver and it was when i first started experimenting with mythtv |
| [04:38:17] | oobe: | so i installed 3 different distros and used the same driver on each was driving me crazy |
| [04:38:23] | oobe: | lol |
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| [04:38:57] | oobe: | J-e-f-f-A, but does pausing playback then switching tty's cause seek problems |
| [04:39:09] | oobe: | that must be reproducable |
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| [04:39:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | oobe: I dunno – haven't experienced that myself... |
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| [04:40:20] | oobe: | try pausing somthing not recorded tv but somthing in mythvideo then switch back to F7 it should make it play really fast and run to the end of seektable |
| [04:41:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | oobe: Humm... Well, started playback of a recording, hit ctrl-alt-F2, logged in, then went back to ctrl-alt-f7, and can't even un-pause it... |
| [04:42:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | oobe: Humm... but hitting ESC a few times eventually got me the 'exit' menu, and I could resume fine. |
| [04:43:04] | oobe: | yea recordings worj fine |
| [04:43:12] | oobe: | *work |
| [04:43:23] | oobe: | but mythvideo playback causes the problem |
| [04:44:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | oobe: Ah... Well, I've gotta crash... ;-) ttyl man... |
| [04:45:04] | oobe: | ok sleep well |
| [04:45:06] | markl_: | is there any way for mythvideo 0.22 to play a VIDEO_TS dvd menu? |
| [04:45:26] | markl_: | i tried deleting all the storage groups (except the 2 you can't) but it is still hosed |
| [04:45:35] | wagnerrp: | markl_: sure, same way you did so in 0.21 |
| [04:45:52] | markl_: | it worked in 0.21, doesn't work at all in 0.22 |
| [04:46:02] | wagnerrp: | it works exactly the same in 0.22 |
| [04:46:27] | wagnerrp: | meaning if you set up mythvideo in the same manner (using local folders on each frontend), it will work just like in 0.21 |
| [04:47:12] | wagnerrp: | you do understand that you cannot flip between SGs and local folders in 0.22, correct? |
| [04:47:31] | wagnerrp: | if you do so, you have to rescan to dump all your old content, and add the 'new' content in the new path |
| [04:51:01] | markl_: | how do i disable sg's |
| [04:51:40] | wagnerrp: | you dont, you just delete the folders from the 'Videos' storage group on whatever backend you originally added them to |
| [04:52:03] | wagnerrp: | whatever you originally did to enable them, just undo |
| [04:52:26] | markl_: | i never added anything, it just seems to have unfortunately installed them when i installed 0.22 |
| [04:52:50] | wagnerrp: | well then your distro must have done that on its own |
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| [04:53:14] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo surely wont scan your machine for media folders on its own |
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| [04:58:13] | markl_: | is there a way to tell for sure if it's using storage groups? |
| [04:58:29] | markl_: | like a checkbox somewhere |
| [04:58:44] | wagnerrp: | open mysql, and see if the entries in videometadata have a 'hostname' specified |
| [04:59:09] | Wicked: | does mythtv keep a list of all watched shows in the database including watched livetv? |
| [04:59:20] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: oldrecorded |
| [04:59:37] | Wicked: | so it should show up under the previously recorded screen? |
| [04:59:40] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if it does for livetv, but it certainly does so for every recording |
| [04:59:55] | Wicked: | im treying to find the name of a show i watched a long time ago |
| [05:00:04] | wagnerrp: | and those stay in there forever, even if you delete the show and tell it to re-record |
| [05:00:06] | Wicked: | yea. i think i watched it in livetv |
| [05:00:14] | markl_: | yes they have a host name |
| [05:00:29] | wagnerrp: | markl_: then theyre being picked up through storage groups |
| [05:00:31] | Wicked: | oh well. not a big deal. im sure ill find the show |
| [05:00:40] | wagnerrp: | have you deleted the folders from the Videos group on the backend? |
| [05:00:46] | wagnerrp: | have to restarted the backend? |
| [05:00:59] | wagnerrp: | have you rescanned mythvideo to flush all that old SG content out? |
| [05:01:06] | markl_: | what is the videos group on the backend, you mean in mythtv-setup? |
| [05:01:20] | wagnerrp: | correct, mythtv-setup, storage groups |
| [05:01:20] | markl_: | i did all that other stuff after deleting as many storage groups as it would let me |
| [05:01:33] | markl_: | it wouldn't let me delete default and one other |
| [05:01:38] | wagnerrp: | did you remove all the entries in the Videos group? |
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| [05:01:50] | markl_: | i'm starting it up again |
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| [05:02:59] | markl_: | there is a "Videos" entry but i can't delete it |
| [05:03:08] | wagnerrp: | so delete the folders in it |
| [05:03:28] | markl_: | you mean point it to a nonexistant directory like /tmp/foo/bar |
| [05:03:29] | markl_: | ? |
| [05:03:45] | wagnerrp: | no, i mean delete all the existing entries in the Videos storage group |
| [05:03:46] | markl_: | i'm not deleting all my videos :) |
| [05:03:55] | wagnerrp: | youre not deleting the videos |
| [05:03:56] | markl_: | how do you delete an entry |
| [05:04:05] | markl_: | i hit the delete button in mythtv-setup and nothing happens |
| [05:04:05] | wagnerrp: | youre just telling mythtv not to use that directory |
| [05:04:21] | markl_: | it let me delete livetv, db backups, trailers, etc |
| [05:04:22] | wagnerrp: | the same button you use to delete things everywhere else in mythtv... 'd' |
| [05:04:42] | markl_: | ah the d button, ok |
| [05:04:53] | markl_: | the del key worked in the other list, hmm |
| [05:05:09] | markl_: | ok only default is left, lets see if this works |
| [05:06:10] | markl_: | ah much better, thanks! |
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| [05:06:36] | markl_: | thanks for your patience |
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| [05:21:36] | Hilikus: | i seemed to have lost mythbackend when i upgraded to ubuntu 9.10. is this a know issue or i did something wrong? |
| [05:25:25] | wagnerrp: | 'lost' mythbackend? |
| [05:25:31] | wagnerrp: | as in you no longer have the executable? |
| [05:25:38] | wagnerrp: | or you physically lost the system? |
| [05:26:18] | Hilikus: | the package is not installed |
| [05:26:32] | Hilikus: | so no executable |
| [05:26:46] | Hilikus: | the frontend is there though |
| [05:27:12] | wagnerrp: | best to see the mythbuntu people about that |
| [05:27:15] | wagnerrp: | #mythbuntu |
| [05:27:45] | Hilikus: | thanks wagnerrp |
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| [07:30:48] | spinull: | you think running a mythbackend on a ps3 would be a good idea |
| [07:31:11] | spinull: | with two pvrusb2's |
| [07:31:18] | [R]: | why not |
| [07:31:23] | wagnerrp: | s/not// |
| [07:31:56] | wagnerrp: | spinull: the PS3 doesnt really have enough memory to do anything useful |
| [07:32:24] | [R]: | lol |
| [07:32:50] | spinull: | its got more than my current backend |
| [07:33:10] | wagnerrp: | your current backend has less than 180MB of memory? |
| [07:33:19] | spinull: | yes |
| [07:33:39] | wagnerrp: | so go buy a damn new backend |
| [07:34:02] | spinull: | well thats what im saying, if i could use the ps3 more reliably, i won't have to |
| [07:34:15] | wagnerrp: | a nice new backend will cost <$200 |
| [07:34:54] | wagnerrp: | new board, processor, and memory, using your existing case, PSU, and hard drives... for about $150 |
| [07:35:09] | spinull: | im using a laptop now |
| [07:35:14] | spinull: | with NAS |
| [07:35:40] | spinull: | but ok, ps3 not a great idea |
| [07:35:48] | wagnerrp: | no, not at all |
| [07:36:12] | spinull: | speaking of which, with my NAS |
| [07:37:01] | wagnerrp: | best option would be to bump that price up to $200... get a dirt cheap case, and a halfway decent powersupply |
| [07:37:43] | spinull: | i have mount the samba share specifying both uid and gid, and doing so alows mythbackend to write to the NAS, but in the mytvbackend setup it always bitches that it can't write to the directory |
| [07:38:03] | wagnerrp: | your NAS doesnt suport NFS? |
| [07:38:28] | spinull: | it might... |
| [07:38:37] | wagnerrp: | spinull: chances are youre not running mythtv-setup as the same user youre running mythbackend as |
| [07:38:46] | wagnerrp: | ideally, the should both be run as the same user |
| [07:39:03] | spinull: | right |
| [07:39:09] | spinull: | thats what i thought it was |
| [07:39:23] | wagnerrp: | aside from ensuring you pick up the proper config.xml, mythtv-setup also does various sanity checks, such as file permissions |
| [07:39:40] | spinull: | yeah, |
| [07:40:00] | spinull: | its cause i was running mythtv-setup from my user and not mythtv user |
| [07:40:21] | spinull: | but i figured that out, and then mounted the samba share with mythtv uid |
| [07:40:41] | spinull: | then it worked |
| [07:43:10] | spinull: | so, since im gonna build a new mythbackend, what kind of tuners should i use |
| [07:43:22] | wagnerrp: | what do you want to record? |
| [07:43:35] | spinull: | i have digital cable now |
| [07:43:43] | spinull: | may get dish in the future |
| [07:43:59] | wagnerrp: | with digital cable, you may get some channels over clearqam |
| [07:44:22] | wagnerrp: | silicondust maintains a database of lineups, searchable by zipcode |
| [07:44:35] | spinull: | whatever became of the whole DVR firewire thing? |
| [07:44:42] | wagnerrp: | you may get some channels over firewire capture off your STB |
| [07:44:58] | wagnerrp: | however most channels (if not all) will be marked as copy-once/copy-never |
| [07:45:12] | wagnerrp: | which means your STB will re-encrypt them, such that mythtv cannot access them |
| [07:45:21] | spinull: | gay |
| [07:45:30] | wagnerrp: | the only reliable option is analog capture |
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| [07:45:42] | wagnerrp: | the PVRUSB2s that you mentioned will work |
| [07:45:58] | wagnerrp: | but if youve got a full machine, PVR150s and PVR500s off ebay will end up being cheaper |
| [07:46:01] | spinull: | iv had good luck with it so far |
| [07:46:19] | spinull: | where does mythtv stand with HD content |
| [07:46:32] | spinull: | being that my backend is plugged into my TV |
| [07:46:38] | wagnerrp: | if you want HD analog, the only option is the HDPVR |
| [07:46:52] | Dagmar: | Well, it won't /re-encrypt/ them, but it will damn well refuse to turn them over to any firewire device that doesn't know the secret handshake |
| [07:47:02] | Dagmar: | That's only about 5% euphemism, by the way. |
| [07:47:20] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: true.... it will only re-encrypt them if it succeeds in the secret handshake |
| [07:47:26] | wagnerrp: | so it doesnt actually get that far |
| [07:49:11] | spinull: | does this thing have hardware encoders |
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| [07:49:28] | wagnerrp: | the PVR cards have hardware mpeg2 encoders |
| [07:49:35] | wagnerrp: | the HDPVR has a hardware h264 encoder |
| [07:49:45] | spinull: | hhmm |
| [07:50:17] | spinull: | well, i have two pvrusb2's, could get one HDPVR |
| [07:50:59] | spinull: | but that would only be for over the air HD channels no? |
| [07:51:10] | wagnerrp: | no, that would be for ALL channels |
| [07:51:21] | wagnerrp: | anything you can capture off the STB over its analog outputs |
| [07:51:37] | wagnerrp: | if you only want OTA channels, pick up a ATSC or QAM tuner |
| [07:51:45] | wagnerrp: | can be readily had for <$50 |
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| [07:51:48] | spinull: | no, i don't just want that |
| [07:51:59] | wagnerrp: | while the HDPVR is $200 a pop |
| [07:52:00] | spinull: | i want top notch, im gonna go all out |
| [07:52:24] | wagnerrp: | youre gonna go all out, and you were considering repurposing your PS3 as a backend? |
| [07:52:42] | spinull: | i figured it had good processing for transcoding |
| [07:52:51] | Dagmar: | Probably not a good idea |
| [07:52:58] | spinull: | wtf do i know |
| [07:53:02] | wagnerrp: | the PS3 is very powerful *if* you manage to use the SPEs |
| [07:53:10] | Dagmar: | Your own credit card number and not much else I suspect |
| [07:53:12] | spinull: | which isn't quite possible |
| [07:53:15] | wagnerrp: | the PPE on its own is rather weak |
| [07:53:23] | Dagmar: | Slooow down a bit |
| [07:53:51] | Dagmar: | If you're going to go "all out" don't cut corners and try and repurpose gaming hardware |
| [07:54:09] | wagnerrp: | already dissuaded him |
| [07:54:10] | spinull: | well why not repurpose if it will work |
| [07:54:16] | Dagmar: | It won't work well at all is the problem |
| [07:54:17] | spinull: | but yeah |
| [07:54:21] | spinull: | thats over and done with |
| [07:54:28] | spinull: | moving on |
| [07:54:29] | Dagmar: | It makes a great quick-and-dirty playback unit over uPnP tho |
| [07:54:40] | spinull: | yeah, i do like that |
| [07:54:41] | wagnerrp: | anyway, a backend with hardware tuners doesnt really need a lot of power |
| [07:54:53] | wagnerrp: | but you really want an absolute minimum of about 512MB of memory |
| [07:55:11] | wagnerrp: | more is always nice for disk cache |
| [07:55:15] | Dagmar: | Being that most of the time you need two sticks of RAM to get the proper dual-channel configuration, 1 Gb is more realistic |
| [07:55:23] | wagnerrp: | if you want to run commflagging, you need more processor and more memory |
| [07:55:25] | Dagmar: | ...and that's still cheap as hell |
| [07:55:42] | wagnerrp: | if you want to do transcoding, you need a lot of processor, and more memory |
| [07:56:00] | Dagmar: | MySQL, much like any "SQL" just loooooves the taste of your RAM, too. |
| [07:57:15] | wagnerrp: | $150 gets you a low end (but decent brand) motherboard, decent AMD dual core, and 2GB of PC6400 |
| [07:57:33] | wagnerrp: | if youre going the HDPVR route, you should probably invest in VDPAU |
| [07:57:47] | Dagmar: | small investment |
| [07:57:49] | wagnerrp: | which will end up being about $30 more, either as a better motherboard, or as a discrete card |
| [07:57:52] | Dagmar: | Not particuarly pricey at all actually |
| [07:58:19] | Dagmar: | 7050pv is out. :) |
| [07:58:32] | Dagmar: | (er, as in, out of the question) |
| [07:58:34] | wagnerrp: | hard drives? well that depends on your viewing habits |
| [07:58:57] | wagnerrp: | there are people who run mythtv on a couple hundred GB, there are people who run it on tens of TB |
| [07:59:20] | wagnerrp: | but you will probably be fine pulling the drives out of your existing NAS and using those |
| [07:59:37] | spinull: | im gonna wind up using the computer for other purposes as well |
| [07:59:37] | spinull: | so i'll get something nice |
| [07:59:37] | spinull: | im over due for a new desktop |
| [07:59:50] | wagnerrp: | just run samba and whatever else you want directly on the backend |
| [08:00:05] | wagnerrp: | using a backend as a desktop is ill advised |
| [08:00:09] | Dagmar: | If you're wanting something to "just throw money" at I'd say it would be maybe an SSD for the OS drive, a _good_ power supply (*good* _not_ "OMGLOTS OF WATTS"), good RAM (Mushkin, Corsair, somfin' like that) and a case |
| [08:00:10] | wagnerrp: | frontends, you can get by with |
| [08:00:30] | wagnerrp: | but a backend should really be running on dedicated hardware, so myth can do whatever it wants |
| [08:00:44] | spinull: | it will be running other services as well |
| [08:00:57] | wagnerrp: | or if you are using it for other purposes, it should at least be a machine on 24/7 |
| [08:00:58] | spinull: | basically be my home server |
| [08:01:05] | spinull: | yeah |
| [08:01:16] | spinull: | i was thinking of doing mineral oil in an aquarium |
| [08:01:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah.... no |
| [08:01:28] | spinull: | eye candy |
| [08:01:31] | wagnerrp: | messy, and pointless |
| [08:01:42] | spinull: | i already have the aquarium |
| [08:01:46] | spinull: | and a place for it to sit |
| [08:02:45] | spinull: | i just need to take the old computer out and put a new one in |
| [08:03:00] | spinull: | and scoot it like 2 feet |
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| [08:22:59] | justinh: | sigh. so a bug which causes dvb-t scanning in the UK to *completely* fail in all cases is not critical. Hrmph |
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| [08:39:07] | Dibblah: | Is that the .. with some cards bug? |
| [08:39:24] | justinh: | no that's the move to 8k from 2k which is going to affect everybody in the UK at some point |
| [08:39:49] | justinh: | already in place where regions have switched to all digital |
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| [08:41:44] | Dibblah: | In the grand scheme of things, probably not critical, no. |
| [08:42:47] | justinh: | I dunno. On the one hand some people are all out trying to improve things for users.. and on the other... |
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| [08:44:40] | Dibblah: | WTH? |
| [08:45:04] | Dibblah: | Nice. On the Ubuntu live CD, it pops up with the proprietary drivers are available box. |
| [08:45:21] | Dibblah: | So, since I'm seeing screen corruption, I think "might as well". |
| [08:45:25] | justinh: | the problem doesn't affect me either way since I know how to work around it. Just thinking about the people who won't have the faintest clue they might have to do a tuned scan |
| [08:45:29] | justinh: | heh |
| [08:45:32] | Dibblah: | ... Then it prompts for a bloody reboot. |
| [08:45:47] | justinh: | lol. which is about as much use as... :-P |
| [08:45:51] | wagnerrp: | more and more like windows every day |
| [08:46:07] | Dibblah: | Cmon. Even Windows doesn't need to reboot for a graphics driver 90% of the time now... |
| [08:46:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that caught me off guard a couple months ago |
| [08:46:22] | justinh: | for driver changes I think it does. |
| [08:46:26] | Dibblah: | Nope. |
| [08:46:31] | wagnerrp: | install the nvidia drivers, and.... its done |
| [08:46:41] | wagnerrp: | wait... what? no reboot? no anything? |
| [08:46:48] | Dibblah: | Not even in XP. |
| [08:46:50] | justinh: | then again I've not used anything newer than XP since I removed Vista from my laptop |
| [08:47:18] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall being able to swap graphics drivers in XP |
| [08:47:20] | Dibblah: | And when it says "reboot" it actually means log-out and back in again. |
| [08:47:36] | Dibblah: | Except... There's no credentials provided. Arrrrgh. |
| [08:47:48] | justinh: | in linux, install driver, load modules, restart X. Tada! |
| [08:48:03] | wagnerrp: | i do remember some malicious installer that didnt even give me an option not to restart |
| [08:48:32] | wagnerrp: | i remember keeping some dialog box open, off in a secondary monitor for the better part of a week because of that |
| [08:48:34] | justinh: | I've seen programs which insist on rebooting after installation ffs |
| [08:49:02] | Dibblah: | I just drag the dialog under the taskbar. |
| [08:49:07] | justinh: | wherever possible those get uninstalled immediately |
| [08:49:12] | wagnerrp: | ended up forcefully rebooting the system somehow when i terminated it with task manager |
| [08:49:24] | wagnerrp: | not quite sure how it managed that |
| [08:49:47] | justinh: | maybe it panicked the kernel :P |
| [08:50:27] | wagnerrp: | if it were already hooked into the kernel to do such a thing, why would it need a reboot |
| [08:50:45] | wagnerrp: | that was probably Norton, back when they were actually useful |
| [08:50:47] | Dibblah: | No, it's got an onclose hook. |
| [08:50:50] | justinh: | IIRC it's not hard for any windows program to make system calls like that. dunno how many processing programs I've used where they have options to shutdown when complete etc |
| [08:50:58] | Dibblah: | ... Quite common to do it that way. |
| [08:51:06] | Dagmar: | Those kind of system calls are reserved for malware applications in Windows. |
| [08:51:14] | wagnerrp: | (like Norton) |
| [08:51:25] | Dagmar: | Pfft. Don't start |
| [08:51:39] | Dagmar: | I've spent about 20 hours in the last three days kicking some damn malware off the ex-gf's laptop and desktop |
| [08:51:43] | justinh: | careful. The OT police will come in & hav a word |
| [08:52:19] | ** clever gets out the siren! ** | |
| [08:52:27] | wagnerrp: | bah, its late night or early morning anywhere populated by myth users |
| [08:52:50] | clever: | wagnerrp: dang, its the 2nd one already |
| [08:52:58] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: I'm doing the same thing for a neighbor. This time, the bloody thing has managed to corrupt the NTFS volume so badly that it doesn't even boot or read with UBCD. |
| [08:53:02] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [08:53:10] | clever: | wagnerrp: 5am already, didnt even notice |
| [08:53:32] | Dibblah: | However, it DOES read with WinPE 7, which is very, very odd. |
| [08:53:34] | justinh: | "I heard about a glide element". Hmmm. From which planet? |
| [08:53:49] | Dibblah: | I know a glide element. |
| [08:53:52] | Dibblah: | Baconlube. |
| [08:53:58] | clever: | :D |
| [08:54:02] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: Wait, W7 ate your NTFS? |
| [08:54:07] | clever: | carefull, she might use her teeth:P |
| [08:54:28] | wagnerrp: | glide? havent heard that since 3dfx was still kicking |
| [08:54:32] | Dibblah: | No, PE7 _does_ successfully read the XP NTFS partition. |
| [08:54:44] | wagnerrp: | didnt baconlube start as an april fools joke? |
| [08:54:49] | Dibblah: | Everything else doesn't. |
| [08:54:53] | clever: | wagnerrp: yep |
| [08:54:54] | Dibblah: | Started and ended. |
| [08:54:56] | justinh: | heh maybe they misheard 'guidegrid' |
| [08:55:12] | Dibblah: | They didn't in fact do a production run. |
| [08:55:28] | Dibblah: | Not that I'm interested of course. That would just be wrong. |
| [08:55:39] | wagnerrp: | i thought i remember something about trying to put out a product due to overwhelming interest |
| [08:55:46] | ** justinh pictures a theming team who win the competition trying to share an SD Tshirt ** | |
| [08:55:46] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: Oh, okay. I thought you were yet another victim of W7's inability to notice that XP's NTFS is the "older" NTFS |
| [08:56:00] | Dagmar: | W7 will c*rnh*le your XP filesystem |
| [08:56:06] | clever: | Dagmar: sounds like anothe rreason to avoid w7 |
| [08:56:35] | Dibblah: | I don't think so. The owners of the laptop are not quite the types to install W7. |
| [08:56:44] | Dagmar: | No, W7 is at least better. There's just a few jaw-dropping issues like the way it (man)handles hives in othe NTFS filesystems |
| [08:56:51] | Dibblah: | Well, install W7 and clean it up without leaving any trace, anyway. |
| [08:57:16] | clever: | Dagmar: is 7 still able to read it after the (man)handling? |
| [08:57:24] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
| [08:57:31] | clever: | ah, so its more of a forced upgrade |
| [08:57:33] | justinh: | there's a lesson in there somewhere. back everything up first :) |
| [08:57:38] | Dibblah: | XP isn't, though. |
| [08:57:43] | clever: | yeah |
| [08:57:53] | clever: | if thats your xp boot drive, your screwed :P |
| [08:58:18] | clever: | yet another way to force you to buy more win7 copies, because xp can no longer read your damn disks :P |
| [08:58:20] | Dagmar: | clever: Yes, but that's an iffy answer |
| [08:58:22] | justinh: | I wouldn't trust any on the fly filesystem conversion tool |
| [08:58:34] | Dagmar: | It basically winds up spewing binary goop into the ACLs. |
| [08:58:52] | Dibblah: | Okay. That's just odd. I have a new gig switch here. That's reporting 1 port at 100Mbits. When... It's not. |
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| [08:59:01] | Dagmar: | ...which means large chunks of the filesystem will get more or less meaningless or randomized attributes |
| [08:59:37] | Dagmar: | I suspect it's the real reason they want everyone going from Xp to W7 to do a clean install |
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| [09:00:32] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: Wrong color LED lit or what? |
| [09:00:47] | Dibblah: | Yeah. |
| [09:00:57] | Dagmar: | Who makes it? |
| [09:01:07] | Dibblah: | d-link. |
| [09:01:08] | Dagmar: | I'm about to upgrade and I'd like to avoid "obvious" potholes |
| [09:01:12] | Dagmar: | Okay. No d-link for me then |
| [09:01:13] | Dibblah: | Let's not start the war now. |
| [09:01:24] | Dibblah: | No, I actually highly recommend it. |
| [09:01:32] | Dibblah: | DGS-1008D |
| [09:01:33] | Dagmar: | Dude I'm probably going to take a shot at Rosewill |
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| [09:01:52] | Dagmar: | I'm not getting into some "war" over which brand of cheap-ass kit is worse |
| [09:01:59] | Dibblah: | Heh. |
| [09:02:22] | Dagmar: | If it gets me GigE throughput it'll be slightly faster than my disks again, which I'm fine with |
| [09:02:23] | Dibblah: | 4.4w with all ports at gigabit. |
| [09:02:36] | Dibblah: | ... <1w with 2 ports active. |
| [09:02:41] | justinh: | think I might get me one for christmas |
| [09:02:59] | Dibblah: | I would highly recommend it before pixmania runs out ;) |
| [09:03:00] | Dagmar: | That's pretty much what I'm doing. I got a bonus at the office and so I'm spending some of it to get up to speed |
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| [09:03:16] | wagnerrp: | that reminds me, ive got a failing switch bolted to the side of the desk next to me |
| [09:03:18] | Dibblah: | Haven't found a cheaper supplier for _any_ gig 8 port switches. |
| [09:03:27] | wagnerrp: | the uplink keeps crapping out |
| [09:03:48] | Dagmar: | oi! |
| [09:03:59] | Dagmar: | Is there a bottleneck for _plain_ PCI GigE cards? |
| [09:04:09] | wagnerrp: | yes, PCI |
| [09:04:13] | Dagmar: | What I figured |
| [09:04:20] | wagnerrp: | remember gigabit is only 8MB/s slower than the PCI bus |
| [09:04:21] | justinh: | bloody hell. when did pixmania become Dixons?! |
| [09:04:33] | Dagmar: | Even the review comments on Newegg are remarkably closed-mouthed about that |
| [09:04:37] | justinh: | last time I used em they sold camera type stuff & the odd consumable |
| [09:04:38] | Dagmar: | PCIe x1 it is then |
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| [09:04:51] | wagnerrp: | are pcie cards relatively cheap now? |
| [09:05:00] | Dagmar: | I think so |
| [09:05:01] | wagnerrp: | last i checked, a decent intel card was $100 |
| [09:05:19] | Dagmar: | Those are under $50 now IMHO |
| [09:05:42] | wagnerrp: | instead, i got my (apparently counterfeit) PCI cards |
| [09:06:03] | Dagmar: | NewEgg's got one of Intel's for $30 |
| [09:06:14] | justinh: | oo better not forget my USB CUP WARMER. pfft |
| [09:06:31] | wagnerrp: | bought two of them, one failed after about a year, the other another month after that |
| [09:06:45] | wagnerrp: | i sent them in to intel, only to be notified they were being confiscated as counterfeit |
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| [09:06:54] | Dagmar: | I suspect the $30 one has not-so-jumbo frames |
| [09:07:18] | wagnerrp: | as far as i know, all intel chips support up to 16K frames |
| [09:07:18] | justinh: | who cares if it does everything else it says on the tin |
| [09:07:36] | Dibblah: | justinh: You NEED the accessories that are offered "with" it, though. |
| [09:07:46] | justinh: | I just want MOARFASTYNETWORKY |
| [09:08:03] | Dagmar: | USB cup warmers are for lamers. |
| [09:08:13] | Dagmar: | Real admins don't have coffee in the cup long enough for it to get cold. |
| [09:08:26] | wagnerrp: | not sure what you would do with a whopping 2.5W output anyway |
| [09:08:38] | Dibblah: | "D-LINK DGS-1008D 8-port Gigabit 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet Switch + Universal Cleaning Spray – 250 ml" |
| [09:08:43] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Kill the crap out of your battery life |
| [09:08:44] | justinh: | I got one for xmas a couple of years ago. It's as lame as any 500mA heater could possibly be |
| [09:08:54] | wagnerrp: | my cheepo soldering iron is 12, and it still takes a couple minutes to warm up |
| [09:09:11] | Dibblah: | Uhhh... Yes, because *everyone* always needs to clean their switch down when they buy it. |
| [09:09:30] | justinh: | you'd need to start using copper cups to get *any* benefit |
| [09:09:31] | justinh: | :P |
| [09:09:39] | Dagmar: | WEll, odds are they'll probably do some cleaning while they're back there. |
| [09:09:46] | wagnerrp: | Dibblah: depends on if you get baconlube all over it |
| [09:09:54] | Dagmar: | Nevermind that compressed air is a huge mistake |
| [09:10:07] | Dibblah: | Compressed air is great. |
| [09:10:13] | Dagmar: | It's great if you just want to get that dust up in the air so you can inhale it |
| [09:10:23] | Dibblah: | ... If you want a traceless warranty return. |
| [09:10:33] | Dibblah: | All of that wonderful distributed static. |
| [09:10:38] | justinh: | ROFL. They sell *jewellery* now too! |
| [09:10:43] | wagnerrp: | 'the fan doesnt work, i dont know what happened' |
| [09:10:59] | Dagmar: | Go to the dept store, get a hand vacuum meant for removing pet hair or something. Fashion a smaller nozzle from spare bits of plastic, duct tape, and a soda straw |
| [09:11:06] | Dagmar: | Infinitely more effective. |
| [09:12:34] | Dagmar: | Ummm... fray the end of the straw, by the way. |
| [09:12:49] | Dagmar: | it's quite possible to engineer a solution capable of sucking SMT components right off a board |
| [09:13:27] | Dagmar: | NEVER do that with a full-sized house vacuum, or you can add "whole caps" to that list |
| [09:15:17] | clever: | ive used 150PSI of compressed air before for cleaning the fan blades |
| [09:15:34] | clever: | though its likely to wear the bearings out if i do it too much |
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| [09:15:51] | clever: | the thing probly spins 10x the normal RPM |
| [09:15:53] | mgisbers_away is now known as mgisbers | |
| [09:15:56] | wagnerrp: | usually one jams something into the fan prior to doing that |
| [09:15:59] | Dagmar: | It's _likely_ to fry stuff |
| [09:16:16] | Dagmar: | You forget that anything with a motor is capable of _producing_ current if you drive it manually |
| [09:16:21] | clever: | wagnerrp: then it will overheat |
| [09:16:28] | clever: | o crap... |
| [09:16:28] | wagnerrp: | and if you spun that thing at 10x its normal rate, the blades would probably sheer off |
| [09:16:31] | clever: | you have a point |
| [09:16:58] | clever: | wagnerrp: i didnt measure the exact speed, but it sounded like a jet takking off:P |
| [09:17:08] | clever: | i should turn on the fan monitor next time |
| [09:17:21] | justinh: | sounds like a job for mythbusters |
| [09:17:21] | Dagmar: | You should put your finger on it so it can't spin is what you should do |
| [09:17:25] | Dibblah: | clever: When it explodes, prepare to lose an eye. |
| [09:17:45] | wagnerrp: | youre pumping supercooled fluid over it, theres no way it could possibly overheat |
| [09:18:03] | clever: | Dibblah: its still behind the protective METAL grill |
| [09:18:13] | Dagmar: | justinh: It would be short work. You can hook a fan up to a DMM and see it generating volts |
| [09:18:22] | Dibblah: | Which protects you from fragments how? |
| [09:18:40] | justinh: | Dagmar: some fans don't |
| [09:18:41] | ** wagnerrp pulls out his gas dynamics boot ** | |
| [09:18:44] | clever: | Dagmar: the fragments are probly too sbig to fit thru |
| [09:18:46] | wagnerrp: | book |
| [09:19:24] | justinh: | sure they *will* generate a voltage somewhere when spun round by an external force but whether that ends up on the wires is down to the driver electronics |
| [09:20:00] | MilkBoy: | mm.. I've fried a motherboard by accidentally vacuuming a fan =D |
| [09:20:12] | MilkBoy: | oh, and the fan broke also |
| [09:20:23] | Dagmar: | I've replaced a number of fans with sensors in them that were damaged ratehr quickly by someone enjoying that "jet engine" sound clever mentioned |
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| [09:20:51] | Dibblah: | clever – Sometimes a bit of a misnomer :( |
| [09:20:52] | wagnerrp: | well that air should be -120C, but then it should also be going mach 2.2.... so thats not quite right |
| [09:21:06] | clever: | Dibblah: yeah, we all make mistakes some times |
| [09:21:12] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Couldn't it strip paint at that speed? |
| [09:21:15] | ** wagnerrp puts the book back on the shelf ** | |
| [09:21:25] | justinh: | wagnerrp: Kirby vacuums only *sound* like the motors are doing > mach 1 |
| [09:21:32] | Dagmar: | hhehehe |
| [09:21:57] | justinh: | ironic how badly Kirby stuff sucks huh |
| [09:22:13] | justinh: | but at least the kit looks like it 'should look' :D |
| [09:22:16] | Dagmar: | I buy dirt devil. |
| [09:22:26] | Dagmar: | ...because if your'e going to buy cheap plastic, it should at least be cheap. |
| [09:22:33] | wagnerrp: | but Kirby gets the power of whatever it sucks |
| [09:22:37] | clever: | wagnerrp: if i fill a X gallon tank with air to 2 PSI, will the volume of air (at 1psi) be X*2? |
| [09:22:40] | ** Dibblah wonders how much of the new dyson motor is marketing. ** | |
| [09:22:51] | achew22: | ... is this #mythtv-users? |
| [09:22:57] | ** Dagmar stares at clever ** | |
| [09:22:57] | clever: | achew22: i think it is |
| [09:23:00] | wagnerrp: | achew22: no, this is random crap |
| [09:23:05] | wagnerrp: | #random_crap |
| [09:23:06] | achew22: | hrm... just checking. Carry on |
| [09:23:16] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: My mom likes their balls. |
| [09:23:17] | Dagmar: | hah |
| [09:23:21] | sid3windr: | haha |
| [09:23:32] | justinh: | oh ffs FO with your ****ing registration to buy stuff, you ****ers |
| [09:23:36] | sid3windr: | last screenful of conversation is excellent entertainment =) |
| [09:23:41] | achew22: | I'm totally going to read this tomorrow when I wake up |
| [09:23:46] | wagnerrp: | i look at that ball with its ability to move around round objects |
| [09:23:52] | wagnerrp: | then i look at my square walls |
| [09:24:04] | Dagmar: | What YOU need is a Roomba |
| [09:24:07] | wagnerrp: | and relatively square furniture |
| [09:24:14] | sid3windr: | what you need is a maid. |
| [09:24:19] | Dibblah: | Bah. You need one of these: http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=121460 |
| [09:24:21] | Dagmar: | I'm so probably going to turn one of mine into a replica of 1812 at some point |
| [09:24:35] | Dagmar: | My house _needs_ DRDs |
| [09:24:39] | wagnerrp: | put a big shell over it, and some eyes |
| [09:24:44] | Dagmar: | Damn right |
| [09:24:45] | Dibblah: | http://www.dibblah.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Cyclo . . . 34-small.jpg even. |
| [09:24:49] | Dagmar: | It already sings little songs |
| [09:24:49] | wagnerrp: | make it play an overture |
| [09:24:50] | justinh: | name address, postcode, phone no... weight, height, blood type... JUST LET ME BUY SOMETHING! |
| [09:25:11] | wagnerrp: | man... i got that reference too quickly |
| [09:25:17] | Dagmar: | The older one I have has a great sense of humor |
| [09:25:32] | Dagmar: | It's programmed to go to the middle of the room when it's done if it can't find a charging station |
| [09:25:45] | Dagmar: | ...which means it hides as far under my bed as it can |
| [09:26:14] | clever: | lol |
| [09:26:23] | wagnerrp: | we were considering getting one of those things for my grandma |
| [09:26:47] | wagnerrp: | shes losing it, mentally.... so a roomba should be more entertaining than a pet, and you wouldnt have to feed it |
| [09:27:00] | Dagmar: | About the only problem with them is that you do need to occasioanlly practically field strip them to get all the hair and so forth off the beater bars |
| [09:27:26] | justinh: | and they can FO with the 'extras' the automagically add onto the order too. Scheisters |
| [09:27:27] | wagnerrp: | blindfolded in under 45 seconds... go! |
| [09:28:14] | justinh: | £33 not so cheap once they add delivery fees. They can go to hell |
| [09:28:36] | achew22: | Has myth switched to time based release instead of feature based? |
| [09:28:44] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Thankfully they're _very_ easy to work on |
| [09:28:50] | wagnerrp: | achew22: no |
| [09:28:55] | justinh: | achew22: it'll still be ready when it's ready |
| [09:29:01] | Dagmar: | achew22: I like to think of it as a "whim-based" release system |
| [09:29:56] | Dagmar: | ...or, more accurately, triggered by my personal workload. |
| [09:30:02] | achew22: | why does http://www.mythtv.org/ say "feature freeze for 0.23, on approximately February 1st, 2010"? |
| [09:30:15] | wagnerrp: | because it was scheduled ahead of time |
| [09:30:24] | achew22: | so, isn't that a time release? |
| [09:30:32] | justinh: | because there was never a plan to NEVER release 0.22 |
| [09:30:39] | wagnerrp: | that has no indication that it will occur in a periodic fashion in the future |
| [09:30:56] | sid3windr: | :] |
| [09:31:01] | justinh: | is it bad to AIM for a shorter release cycle? |
| [09:31:08] | achew22: | Okay, I was just curious if I had missed an announcement. I've never seen a comment like that on the myth site before. |
| [09:31:12] | ** justinh throws achew22 a clue ** | |
| [09:31:30] | wagnerrp: | 0.23 is basically the stuff that was intended to go into 0.22, but didnt get a chance because people felt that it had been too long since a release |
| [09:31:42] | Dagmar: | Set up a line of PHP that always gives a date 120 days in the future |
| [09:31:55] | wagnerrp: | consider 0.22 and 0.23 to be one giant long development cycle |
| [09:32:06] | wagnerrp: | with a strange island of stability in the latter half |
| [09:32:15] | achew22: | Interesting. What are some of the .23 features? |
| [09:32:29] | wagnerrp: | finishing the mythui transition |
| [09:32:36] | achew22: | is #7 going to get closed?! |
| [09:32:41] | wagnerrp: | finishing the mythvideo storagegroup transition |
| [09:32:51] | wagnerrp: | cleaning up a bunch of stuff from the qt4 transition |
| [09:33:53] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt #7 be closed right now? |
| [09:33:55] | Dibblah: | ... Better support for digital output, full upmixer, ... |
| [09:34:20] | achew22: | wagnerrp: they pushed it to .23 so I assume that there is some menu that is 12 layers deep that is not converted (or something) |
| [09:34:42] | justinh: | achew22: you think sitting there criticising is moving the release date any closer? |
| [09:34:51] | wagnerrp: | im looking at #7, 'add schedule user job support to mythweb' |
| [09:34:59] | wagnerrp: | thats been in mythweb as long as i can remember |
| [09:35:01] | justinh: | maybe you mean #12 |
| [09:35:01] | Dibblah: | Yeah. "some" menu. Like the entirety of the settings stuff, most of the plugins, ... |
| [09:35:09] | achew22: | justinh: please show my criticism |
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| [09:35:32] | wagnerrp: | its certainly in mythweb currently |
| [09:35:37] | justinh: | jees. WTF have *we* done wrong. Company has switched brand of coffee to Maxwell House |
| [09:35:53] | Dibblah: | Could be worse, could be nescafe. |
| [09:36:12] | ** wagnerrp motions kormoc towards #7, only to find he doesnt idle in here like the rest of us degenerates ** | |
| [09:36:17] | ** Dibblah enjoys supping down his nice, freshly ground-from-beans coffee. ** | |
| [09:36:22] | ** justinh still remembers those ads with Mr Rhyming Slang (Gareth Hunt) ** | |
| [09:36:57] | wagnerrp: | hey, wait... #7 is closed |
| [09:37:04] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean its not closed? |
| [09:37:04] | justinh: | achew22: tell you what, myth could move to weekly releases instead. give the illusion of progress! |
| [09:37:16] | wagnerrp: | what #7 are you referring to? |
| [09:37:30] | achew22: | I screwed up, I was referring to #12 but forgot the number |
| [09:38:10] | justinh: | in the meantime just use XBMC & wait for them to be able to list mythtv recordings as more than a flat list ;-) |
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| [09:39:14] | wagnerrp: | justinh: and support proper protocol/schema version checking |
| [09:39:25] | justinh: | heh |
| [09:39:28] | achew22: | justinh: it is obvious you want to try and crucify me here. I have done nothing wrong. I asked if Myth had switched to a time based release. That is not a statement, I wanted to know if it was the case. Then I wanted to know what features were coming in .23. After that I asked (incorrectly) if #7 would be closed. I meant to say #12 but I simply forgot the number. I'm not interested in any more or less frequent releases. I'm hap |
| [09:39:45] | justinh: | I dunno what difference it would make to anybody if it did |
| [09:40:04] | justinh: | so it was kind of an irrelevant question really :) |
| [09:40:20] | Dagmar: | I'm not making any kind of value judgements here, but I can possibly make it clearer |
| [09:40:36] | Dagmar: | Myth is simply _not_ on any kind of rigorous schedule or formalized timeline of any sort |
| [09:40:56] | justinh: | it doesn't get anything like enough help for that to happen, anyway |
| [09:41:08] | Dagmar: | Yeah there's simply no time |
| [09:41:23] | justinh: | not when people have lives aswell |
| [09:43:05] | justinh: | the *aim* is to squish a number of issues ahead of February & pop out another release. If that goal is reached yay |
| [09:43:55] | wagnerrp: | and there will be cake |
| [09:44:02] | wagnerrp: | delicious cake |
| [09:44:13] | Dagmar: | Uh huh. |
| [09:44:19] | wagnerrp: | all of your friends will be invited |
| [09:44:20] | Dagmar: | Where have I heard that one before |
| [09:44:29] | justinh: | there's nothing wrong with saying you *hope* to get another release out soon. I don't think anyone ever intended mythtv to go out on an 18 month cycle it just happened |
| [09:44:45] | Dibblah: | There's what – less than 10 active committers? |
| [09:44:53] | justinh: | but most of the developers use trunk all the time anyway so... |
| [09:44:59] | justinh: | who really cares ;-) |
| [09:45:01] | Dibblah: | I'm frankly amazed at what _does_ get done. |
| [09:45:40] | justinh: | yeah well, some new patches from me coming in the next couple of weeks or so. and if those get kicked back that'll be it |
| [09:45:40] | Dagmar: | I'm trying real hard to stop sucking at C++ |
| [09:45:50] | Dagmar: | I just keep having to do work-related things at work. |
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| [09:48:25] | justinh: | Dagmar: me too. might've finished 'concept' by now if it wasn't for work |
| [09:49:30] | Dagmar: | I may have to "fix" the office a little first, too. |
| [09:49:37] | Dagmar: | Our trouble ticket system sucks |
| [09:49:44] | Dagmar: | I am pretty sure I could replace it in a month |
| [09:50:01] | Dagmar: | I don't want people at the office getting ideas that I'm capable of that, tho'. |
| [09:50:03] | justinh: | still, since we had a round of redundancies this year I think it's not unreasonable to have to lift a finger once in a while |
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| [12:19:45] | justinh: | another govvy job out of the way. repaired a Sony 'xplod' car audio amp |
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| [12:20:16] | justinh: | earning me a subwoofer as payment. heh |
| [12:21:57] | justinh: | oo ooo OOOOO will this be any good as a myth frontend? :-O http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/18/norhtec_keyboard_pc/ |
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| [12:36:09] | Dibblah: | Did it live up to it's name? |
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| [12:44:57] | clever: | justinh: looks like they are going backwards with tech |
| [12:45:29] | clever: | justinh: and that is basicaly what i just did for my current frontend, i tore the LCD off an old laptop |
| [12:46:15] | justinh: | nah. 2 power FETs were short. Replaced em, adjusted the bias & it's all good :) |
| [12:49:39] | justinh: | the real shock was finding the service manual on sony's own site |
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| [12:50:49] | Dibblah: | Wow. |
| [12:52:41] | justinh: | googled "xm-754sx filetype:pdf" |
| [13:01:33] | justinh: | grrr. PRS don't have the 2010 podcast licence terms & fee list available yet |
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| [13:07:26] | FR^2: | o |
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| [15:37:42] | justinh: | oh classic. customer bug report saying the time keeps resetting to 1965 |
| [15:39:46] | justinh: | it really does too, since the time is used in signed form. In places. heh |
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| [17:03:37] | stevieman: | I'm getting this error message when I try to watch TV after a synaptic install of myth .21 on ubuntu "Could not connect to the master backend server — is it running .... check that the IP is correct" The backend in running and in setup it is set to localhost, I even tried 127.0.0.1 |
| [17:05:27] | stevieman: | I installed mythtv-backend and not mythtv-backend-master from synaptic |
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| [17:09:51] | meshe: | stevieman: you need to configure myth |
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| [17:10:29] | meshe: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/ |
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| [17:13:43] | wagnerrp: | stevieman: any reason youre not installing 0.22? |
| [17:14:52] | stevieman: | meshe: um yah, I've done that and read those docs |
| [17:15:58] | stevieman: | wagnerrp: Just trying to test my tvtuner card on another machine for the linux-media mailing list guys |
| [17:16:24] | stevieman: | I need to figure out if it's a linux or a computer problem |
| [17:16:55] | wagnerrp: | easier to use tvtime (for framegrabbers), cat (for mpeg tuners), or something else (for digital tuners) |
| [17:17:34] | stevieman: | I need to specify which channel to record and I don't know how to do that with cat |
| [17:17:51] | wagnerrp: | ivtv-tune.pl |
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| [17:23:22] | stevieman: | wagnerrp: thanks, that worked perfectly, unfortunately it looks like it is a myth .22 or a computer problem now. |
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| [19:05:52] | Dagmar: | Apartment dwellers who are only dealing in standard definition content might be interested in today's Woot |
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| [19:07:00] | dan__t: | 'afternoon. |
| [19:07:20] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: the sold out powerline networking kit? |
| [19:07:27] | wagnerrp: | bit late for suggestions on that |
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| [19:08:10] | Dagmar: | Ah well |
| [19:08:16] | Dagmar: | I said they might be interested. |
| [19:08:21] | Dagmar: | I didn't say it would do them any good. |
| [19:08:34] | dan__t: | Doing due diligence but can't find what I'm looking for, probably because I'm not using the right terminology. Does MythTV play well with any HDMI capture cards (if they exist), and if so, would I have to worry about any kind of encryption preventing MythTV from displaying that video, this all assuming it comes right from my cable STB? |
| [19:09:54] | dan__t: | From wht I understand, HDCP comes in to play somewhere in there. |
| [19:10:15] | wagnerrp: | there are no HDMI capture cards openly supported in linux |
| [19:10:27] | dan__t: | Oh ok. |
| [19:10:29] | wagnerrp: | similarly, there are no HDMI capture cards that support HDCP |
| [19:10:36] | dan__t: | Ok. Understood. |
| [19:10:37] | wagnerrp: | so on both ends, its completely moot |
| [19:10:54] | dan__t: | So even from a STB, HDCP would still come in to play. Does HDMI always imply HDCP? |
| [19:11:07] | wagnerrp: | if you have to capture from an STB and you want HD, your only option currently is an HDPVR |
| [19:11:26] | wagnerrp: | even from an STB, anything over HDMI will be encrypted with HDCP |
| [19:11:41] | wagnerrp: | the cable co wouldnt put out a digital output on a device they couldnt control |
| [19:12:08] | dan__t: | Ok, that makes sense. |
| [19:12:18] | dan__t: | I'm all new to this, sorry. In fact, got my first HDTV a few days ago haha. |
| [19:12:44] | dan__t: | The goal is to stay digital as much as I can. |
| [19:13:06] | wagnerrp: | if you want digital, youre either going to have to use QAM or firewire, and hope for the best |
| [19:13:34] | wagnerrp: | or you go with cablecard or the cableco's STB and lose all control over recorded content |
| [19:13:46] | iamlindoro: | Whereas if you actually want to have any chance at all of recording all of your channels, including those in HD, then your only option is the Hauppauge HD-PVR |
| [19:14:19] | iamlindoro: | Which records the component outputs of your set top box. Yes, there's an analog conversion. No, you are unlikely to ever notice. |
| [19:14:37] | dan__t: | Ok. Does component video use HDCP at all, and if so, how about a component video capture card? |
| [19:14:41] | dan__t: | Hey, I don't know if I'd notice or not. |
| [19:14:46] | Defense|Twin: | Hi, can someone please tell me how i can use XMLTV in germany? i installed xmltv with yum (fedora) but i can only select countries like sweden, denmark, ireland, swiss.. .but not germany :-/ |
| [19:14:48] | dan__t: | That's what I'm ultimately trying to figure out. |
| [19:15:02] | wagnerrp: | its analog, you cannot encrypt analog communication |
| [19:15:08] | dan__t: | Right. |
| [19:15:10] | dan__t: | Ok. |
| [19:15:13] | iamlindoro: | The Hauppauge HD-PVr *is* a (the, actually) component capture device... not a card, USB |
| [19:15:28] | dan__t: | So for that I might as well stick with something like coax even. |
| [19:15:42] | iamlindoro: | ?? |
| [19:16:00] | Dagmar: | Well, you actually can |
| [19:16:04] | Dagmar: | It's just not done anymore. |
| [19:16:04] | dan__t: | Nevermind. Tangent. |
| [19:16:07] | iamlindoro: | no. Your only option with the HD-PVR is component output from your set top box |
| [19:16:14] | wagnerrp: | if you stick with coax, youre either using what limited standard-def channels you get over analog cable |
| [19:16:24] | dan__t: | Oh, right, sorry. |
| [19:16:27] | wagnerrp: | or youre going to be using clearqam, which is likely only your local channels |
| [19:16:32] | iamlindoro: | The HD-PVr, in turn, is your only guaranteed option to get a) all your channels and b) in their original resolutions |
| [19:16:39] | dan__t: | Ok. |
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| [19:17:53] | dan__t: | I appreciat ethe help, thanks. I'll look in to a an HD-PVR |
| [19:18:10] | iamlindoro: | Defense|Twin: You can subscribe to EPGData and use the epgdata grabber |
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| [19:19:09] | dan__t: | Kewl, I can get one for $205 locally. |
| [19:19:20] | dan__t: | I'd pay $10 shipping anyway if I got it online, so whatever |
| [19:19:31] | Defense|Twin: | iamlindoro: i read something about tvmovie and xmltv.info or so which should work without subscribtion doesn't it? |
| [19:20:06] | wagnerrp: | if you are in the US, there are no worthwhile xmltv scrapers |
| [19:20:24] | iamlindoro: | Defense|Twin: You tell me-- the only legit option in Germany I know of is the epgdata one |
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| [19:21:12] | Defense|Twin: | hm ok thx |
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| [19:29:28] | ctmjr: | look what i can watch with my great cable company http://imagebin.ca/view/6L1jhrNA.html. |
| [19:30:58] | wagnerrp: | they dropping the second half of the analog lineup now? |
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| [19:31:15] | ctmjr: | wagnerrp: yep |
| [19:31:30] | wagnerrp: | fantastic |
| [19:32:06] | wagnerrp: | well think of it this way... maybe with all that extra bandwidth, theyll crank up the bitrate |
| [19:32:11] | wagnerrp: | *snicker* |
| [19:32:23] | Dagmar: | hahaa |
| [19:32:27] | Dagmar: | Not bloody likely |
| [19:33:05] | wagnerrp: | i mean thats like 2.5gbps, what could they have planned for that much throughput |
| [19:33:25] | wagnerrp: | certainly not to give it to their internet subscribers |
| [19:33:43] | iamlindoro: | They added ~90 new HD channels here a month or so ago |
| [19:35:13] | iamlindoro: | If Comedy Central would just start filming Colbert and TDS in HD I'd be able to watch 100% of my programming in HD at least |
| [19:35:22] | iamlindoro: | But they should be earlyish next year, too |
| [19:35:53] | iamlindoro: | Actually... 1/4/10, yay! |
| [19:36:16] | iamlindoro: | Guess I need to update my recording rule to point at CCHD |
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| [19:48:01] | trumee: | anybody has update on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6622 |
| [19:49:38] | araldit: | I have a seperate backend which is set to turn off when no frontend is attached. The frontend wakes the backend with a wakeonlan request. This works flawless. Does anyone know how i can show a box on the screen counting down till the backend is up. This way the user wont wonder why the frontend does not start right away. |
| [19:49:44] | trumee: | i am trying to fast forward an mpeg2 file hosted on nfs. two key presses of fast forward, and i get a "restarting readhead" message. myth freezes up and i need to restart it. |
| [19:50:24] | Dagmar: | araldit: There's an on-screen popup widget in the mythtv package, but it only works when you're actually watching TV, so no, you basically can't do that with anything currently existing. |
| [19:50:28] | Dagmar: | Have fun coding it |
| [19:50:56] | araldit: | Dagmar, that was what i thought |
| [19:50:58] | trumee: | araldit, mythvosd i think it is called |
| [19:52:09] | araldit: | Think i will make a qt box counting down. I already made a bash script doing what i want, but it only shows the count down in a terminal |
| [19:53:28] | araldit: | What does mythwelcome do? Can i use this for anything. |
| [19:53:36] | trumee: | i wonder my problem is that nfs over wifi doesnt work very well. |
| [19:53:40] | Dagmar: | araldit: Makes some silly people happy |
| [19:53:53] | Dagmar: | It doesn't really do much of anything beyond simply _not_ being mythfrontend |
| [19:54:50] | justinh: | trumee: my laptop manages about 64kB/sec in NFS. Wireless sucks in linux unless you're lucky. Same hardware in the same location is great in Windows |
| [19:56:08] | trumee: | justinh, how can i measure the NFS speed? |
| [19:56:37] | Dagmar: | bonnie++ |
| [19:57:26] | trumee: | i get couple of "RingBuf Taking too long to be allowed to read" before the "readahead thread" message. |
| [19:58:28] | justinh: | trumee: can't remember how I measured it. Might've been with a verbose rsync |
| [20:00:55] | trumee: | would samba be better to use than nfs? |
| [20:01:03] | Dagmar: | For what |
| [20:01:12] | Dagmar: | Unix to unix NFS is your best option |
| [20:01:25] | Dagmar: | Samba should generally only figure in if you have Windows machines about that need that kind of access |
| [20:03:11] | trumee: | i basically want to seek to the end of the video. if i keep pressing FF button i get the "readahead thread" restart error. is it possible to seek to a certain time by entering time while using mythvideo. |
| [20:03:16] | justinh: | yeah I've compared samba to nfs. NFS just about maxes out the network whereas SMB.. erm.. hmmm. Sucks by comparison |
| [20:03:35] | justinh: | trumee: you can seek to relative times only |
| [20:03:36] | araldit: | You could test the NFS speed with the dd command |
| [20:04:19] | Dagmar: | bonnie++ for network mount testing |
| [20:04:39] | justinh: | if you want to seek to absolute times use something else.. though who knows why anybody'd want to seek to absolute times in real life |
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| [20:04:46] | trumee: | justinh, how can i seek to say 50% of the time using single keypress? |
| [20:07:09] | GreyFoxx: | trumee: With a single key? No |
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| [20:07:18] | GreyFoxx: | but you can jump forward specific amounts |
| [20:07:25] | GreyFoxx: | so if you want to jump by 57 minutes |
| [20:07:41] | GreyFoxx: | pres 5 7 forward (inmycase right arrow) |
| [20:07:51] | GreyFoxx: | same for jumping back |
| [20:07:51] | justinh: | I told you you can't seek to absolute times. Only relative |
| [20:07:54] | justinh: | sheesh |
| [20:08:27] | justinh: | it might be handy at some point to be able to do that but not if we lost relative seeking :) |
| [20:10:03] | trumee: | GreyFoxx, i tried here. it works fine. But after two 2 0 right, i get the "restart readahead thread" message again. i am starting to hate this now |
| [20:10:21] | trumee: | i dnt know if this is a 0.22 problem, never had this in 0.21 |
| [20:11:03] | justinh: | how's it with wired ethernet? |
| [20:11:19] | GreyFoxx: | I have no idea what that message is |
| [20:11:23] | GreyFoxx: | never seen it before |
| [20:11:53] | trumee: | the backend is on downstair, i dont have a wire running to it. |
| [20:12:11] | justinh: | so you'll never know if the fault is the wireless I guess |
| [20:12:39] | justinh: | but by speccing out the network connection you'll get a better idea |
| [20:13:01] | iamlindoro: | oof, so NFS *and* wireless? |
| [20:13:04] | iamlindoro: | bad times |
| [20:13:11] | trumee: | this is the log http://pastebin.ca/1719736 |
| [20:13:27] | GreyFoxx: | NFS is fine... never used it over wireless however |
| [20:13:29] | justinh: | trumee: we don't really need know any more honestly. |
| [20:13:39] | justinh: | sort out your wireless speed |
| [20:13:53] | justinh: | NFS is fantastic over wires |
| [20:13:56] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Versus just using the myth protocol, though, NFS is at a disadvantage |
| [20:14:16] | iamlindoro: | (IMHOYMMVIANAL) |
| [20:15:17] | justinh: | iamlindoro: possibly because of the myth protocol being aware files aren't local & taking it into account. Whereas with an NFS mount myth will think it's local |
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| [20:15:31] | justinh: | maybe, I dunno |
| [20:15:40] | justinh: | anyway.. teh wireless is teh suckz0r |
| [20:15:53] | iamlindoro: | yarr |
| [20:16:39] | trumee: | i just tried playing the using mplayer. the FF is brilliant, the response time is pretty good. |
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| [20:18:02] | justinh: | sigh |
| [20:18:08] | justinh: | so use mplayer then. Solved |
| [20:18:22] | iamlindoro: | mplayer and myth are distantly related cousins, not siblings |
| [20:18:30] | trumee: | yup, i think i will stick to mplayer. |
| [20:18:35] | iamlindoro: | and definitely not identical twins |
| [20:18:52] | iamlindoro: | ri-god-damn-donkulous |
| [20:18:58] | justinh: | love to know where the myth comes from that myth uses mplayer as its internal mech |
| [20:19:11] | ** iamlindoro removes external player capability in MythVideo ** | |
| [20:19:21] | justinh: | heh |
| [20:19:34] | justinh: | might get the last dregs of problems reported & squished at last |
| [20:19:35] | trumee: | can i invoke mplayer from within mythvideo. i know how to do it in 0.21, is it the same in 0.22? |
| [20:19:56] | justinh: | see for yourself |
| [20:20:02] | trumee: | ok. |
| [20:20:10] | iamlindoro: | Greyfoxx: http://www.fecitfacta.com/MNV_views.ogg |
| [20:20:33] | iamlindoro: | ignore the load times, the XML is being parsed in real time right now, won't be the case upon release |
| [20:22:36] | trumee: | mplayer within mythvideo is working fantastic. something is crap about Internal player. |
| [20:22:48] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: cool |
| [20:23:04] | justinh: | trumee: some people don't report problems they find so they never get fixed! |
| [20:23:43] | justinh: | BTW coming in here saying stuff doesn't work isn't reporting it |
| [20:24:01] | justinh: | iamlindoro: anybody told you lately that you fricking rock? |
| [20:24:08] | trumee: | the bug is reported here http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6622 |
| [20:24:12] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Can't wait to try it out :) |
| [20:24:16] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Heh, kind of you say, however untrue :) |
| [20:24:26] | sid3windr: | iamlindoro: you rule instead? ;) |
| [20:24:31] | GreyFoxx: | damn it's cold in here. |
| [20:24:39] | GreyFoxx: | *goes looking for the thermostat* |
| [20:24:43] | sid3windr: | (cf. http://7.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kozhspFmN51qz5o09o1_500.gif) |
| [20:24:57] | justinh: | iamlindoro: BS. 1 – you bother. 2 – you actually DO stuff. Same goes for everybody who does deeds for mythtv :) |
| [20:24:58] | sid3windr: | GreyFoxx: what, you don't have usb/ethernet thermometer wired into myth?! |
| [20:25:19] | GreyFoxx: | heh the ones I looked at were too expensive :) |
| [20:25:22] | justinh: | minus four C outside. Need to walk the dog |
| [20:25:26] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Inching closer to being ready-- need to get the records into the database instead of regularly re-parsing the XML, and clean up download handling, and test my code for external players and downloaders |
| [20:25:33] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Well thanks :) |
| [20:25:34] | GreyFoxx: | It's -10 c here., -19 with the windchill |
| [20:26:29] | justinh: | wow that made me feel better too. got some spare nothing time coming up so I can start ripping on those menus again :) |
| [20:27:23] | justinh: | so when's the PBB getting different views too? :-D |
| [20:27:50] | iamlindoro: | Heh... from implementing them in MNV, it probably wouldn't actually be hard at all |
| [20:28:10] | iamlindoro: | After I figured out how it all fit together, it took me about 30 minutes to add two more views |
| [20:28:15] | justinh: | it's on my list but let's be realistic, knowing me it'll never happen |
| [20:28:18] | iamlindoro: | including theming |
| [20:31:10] | sid3windr: | mnv? pbb? I'm definitely missing something ;/ |
| [20:31:38] | iamlindoro: | MythNetvision, Playbackbox (Which most people call "Watch Recordings") |
| [20:32:33] | sid3windr: | o_O |
| [20:32:44] | sid3windr: | thanks ;) |
| [20:37:29] | iamlindoro: | trumee: No "me toos" in tickets, please |
| [20:37:44] | iamlindoro: | This is how tickets end up locaked |
| [20:37:48] | iamlindoro: | er locked |
| [20:38:01] | squish102: | what is the website to see if a tuner is supported? or maybe someone here knows? Diamond TVW 650 PCI-E |
| [20:38:07] | iamlindoro: | linuxtv.org |
| [20:38:11] | squish102: | thx |
| [20:38:44] | squish102: | they going for $30 at frys.com |
| [20:40:36] | henrik__: | I have a small problem with the channel icon since one channel changed icon, the new .png file was updated thru the xml service and it was exchanged in mythweb and in the epg in mythtv, however when using the remote to change channel it uses the wrong icon. When I removed all icons in the ~/.mythtv/channels directory and then did a mythfilldatabase all icons was successfully downloaded again but now the icon was remove |
| [20:40:36] | henrik__: | d from the osd when changing channels. How do I fix this problem? It seems like the osd is trying to access the old link. I have also deleted the files that begins with /.mythtv/osdcache/cache+nick+mythtv+channels+* |
| [20:40:58] | wagnerrp: | justinh: s/walk the dog/get a treadmill/ |
| [20:41:31] | trumee: | iamlindoro, do i need to give a debug trace or anything. any howto on that? |
| [20:41:41] | iamlindoro: | trumee: no |
| [20:42:01] | iamlindoro: | trumee: If the ticket owner needs more info, they will request it. |
| [20:42:56] | henrik__: | I'm using .22 and I've got frontend and backend on the same computer |
| [20:43:11] | justinh: | wagnerrp: nah it's fun. specially when there's snow. constant source of amusement :) his rolling around in the street to get covered always makes me & random passers by laugh |
| [20:45:45] | justinh: | $30 for a tuner? Heh never paid that much for a tuner ever :D |
| [20:45:59] | wagnerrp: | really? ive never paid that little for a tuner ever |
| [20:46:03] | justinh: | I'm deliberately forgetting the ATI AiW I bought 12 years ago |
| [20:46:14] | justinh: | stinking piece of poo that it was |
| [20:46:47] | justinh: | wagnerrp: got all my DVB-T tuners on the cheap & got lucky |
| [20:47:27] | justinh: | 3x LR6650 tuners, some terratec junk dual USB thing & some lame pci thing |
| [20:49:48] | justinh: | the terratec USB thing isn't actually too bad. Works well in mythtv |
| [20:53:17] | henrik__: | it's cold outside, I got -24 degrees C right now.. |
| [20:53:53] | wagnerrp: | its about 5C around here |
| [20:54:27] | henrik__: | thats nice! |
| [20:54:58] | henrik__: | damn, today during the day it was only -18.. |
| [20:55:05] | henrik__: | but now it has been going down.... |
| [20:55:27] | iamlindoro: | A chilly 19C here |
| [20:55:43] | henrik__: | iamlindoro, lol |
| [20:55:57] | justinh: | be nice to get used to a bit of cold. when I go 'home' I have to wear 2 coats |
| [20:56:39] | henrik__: | justinh, well I would trade you any day! ;) |
| [20:57:01] | henrik__: | Need to go out and fill up the heater for the night to! |
| [20:58:25] | henrik__: | it's eating thru my pellets! |
| [20:59:55] | henrik__: | and no one has seen my problem before?? |
| [21:00:01] | henrik__: | about the icons? |
| [21:00:17] | justinh: | you know icons aren't streamed right? |
| [21:00:48] | henrik__: | they are streamed from the epg grabber |
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| [21:01:07] | justinh: | is this all on one box I mean? |
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| [21:01:28] | henrik__: | yes backend and frontend is the same box |
| [21:01:36] | henrik__: | in this case |
| [21:01:44] | henrik__: | but it also applies to another frontend |
| [21:02:04] | justinh: | maybe they're in the themecache? |
| [21:04:20] | henrik__: | in that folder I only have pictures related to the theme itself |
| [21:04:45] | justinh: | dunno then |
| [21:04:59] | henrik__: | but since it is correctly linked and I can se the right pic in mythweb and in epg. I figure it must be somwhere it's linked wrong. |
| [21:05:15] | henrik__: | when it comes to osd |
| [21:06:31] | henrik__: | file a bug? |
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| [21:07:11] | justinh: | I'd try a backend restart before that I think |
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| [21:07:26] | henrik__: | I've done that, also a reboot of the computer |
| [21:07:29] | henrik__: | does not help.. |
| [21:07:50] | justinh: | rebooting linux seldom helps :) |
| [21:07:54] | henrik__: | I know... |
| [21:08:14] | henrik__: | It was only 7 years since I left ms, it's till in my bone marrow |
| [21:08:49] | henrik__: | after doing it 4000 times aday it becomes like the last resort before asking for help.. reboot the computer ;) |
| [21:10:03] | iamlindoro: | henrik__: Have you rm -rf'd your themecache dir, not just cleared out the images you *think* it is? |
| [21:10:14] | iamlindoro: | i mean nuke the *whole thing* |
| [21:10:52] | iamlindoro: | because data doesn't randomly assemble itself into images, that image is *somewhere*, and the cache dir is about the only place it could be |
| [21:11:14] | henrik__: | iamlindoro, I have not dared to remove the info in themecache it seemed to be only related to the theme itself. |
| [21:11:22] | henrik__: | but it's safe to just remove it all? |
| [21:11:25] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [21:11:26] | iamlindoro: | remove it all |
| [21:11:36] | iamlindoro: | it'll just get recreated when you next start the frontend |
| [21:11:37] | wagnerrp: | if its not there, the UI libraries will regenerate it as needed |
| [21:11:50] | iamlindoro: | rm -rf ~/.mythtv/themecache/* |
| [21:12:00] | wagnerrp: | it only exist because it is several dozen times faster to load an existing file, than rescale a new one |
| [21:12:04] | henrik__: | now its done.. I'll restart the front end.. |
| [21:12:20] | iamlindoro: | close the frontend, then remove it, then restart it |
| [21:15:23] | justinh: | maybe qt4.6 will do away with the need to cache scaled images, once we burn all the people who use old hardware |
| [21:15:35] | justinh: | crap did I actually type that? heh |
| [21:15:47] | iamlindoro: | justinh: You mean in 2–3 years when we're actually permited to require it? |
| [21:15:55] | iamlindoro: | er permitted |
| [21:16:12] | justinh: | reckon it's that far away? |
| [21:16:21] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt opengl readily go that right now? |
| [21:16:48] | wagnerrp: | i mean even lowly intel graphics should have enough power for rapid image scaling |
| [21:17:04] | henrik__: | iamlindoro, you solved the problem! |
| [21:17:08] | iamlindoro: | We use far less of OpenGL than we should |
| [21:17:16] | iamlindoro: | henrik__: ;) |
| [21:17:27] | wagnerrp: | of course it would block people from using framebuffers and similar outpus, for better (not worse) |
| [21:17:32] | henrik__: | how do you do it?? |
| [21:18:13] | iamlindoro: | the image was still in your themecache, it was the only place it could have been |
| [21:18:46] | henrik__: | I'm amazed, I would like to make you dinner, but I guess waking around in 1 yard snow and -26 dgreens are not to tempting |
| [21:19:21] | wagnerrp: | henrik__: probably comes from months of tinkering around with themes and having to deal with exactly the same problem |
| [21:19:29] | henrik__: | I shoot an elk last weekend, so I got about 200kg of elk meat in my freezer :) |
| [21:19:30] | iamlindoro: | ^^^ That too |
| [21:19:57] | iamlindoro: | I guess I'll just have to somehow survive here at 19C |
| [21:20:04] | iamlindoro: | With my plain ol' cow meat |
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| [21:20:31] | wagnerrp: | i think its supposed to snow tonight, theyve got the brine sprayed over the roads already |
| [21:20:35] | sid3windr: | heheh |
| [21:20:36] | justinh: | I said the themecache |
| [21:20:55] | wagnerrp: | in justinh's case, it would be years |
| [21:21:04] | henrik__: | iamlindoro, so I guess your from the states.. |
| [21:21:12] | iamlindoro: | Yep |
| [21:21:17] | iamlindoro: | Nobody's perfect |
| [21:21:24] | iamlindoro: | justinh: There there, I listen to you |
| [21:21:38] | henrik__: | well I'm from sweden.. one or two miles away.. ;) |
| [21:21:40] | justinh: | sob. LOL |
| [21:22:09] | iamlindoro: | tell you what, you just send me an Inga, or some other Svenska Flicka and we'll call it even |
| [21:23:17] | henrik__: | he, tiger woods swedish girl is soon free.. |
| [21:23:31] | henrik__: | however, damaged goods.. |
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| [21:23:56] | henrik__: | but she will problebly come with a $200 000 000 setlement.. |
| [21:23:59] | iamlindoro: | I want one that hasn't been americanized |
| [21:24:08] | iamlindoro: | Loose nordic morals, that's what I'm looking for |
| [21:24:24] | henrik__: | I've got two kids.. and is not married.. |
| [21:24:32] | henrik__: | we have been dating for 14 years.. |
| [21:24:40] | henrik__: | been living together for 12 |
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| [21:26:53] | wagnerrp: | ive heard of that before.... some uncle of one of my german friends has had a 'girlfriend' for 25 years |
| [21:27:16] | wagnerrp: | theres no tax or otherwise monetary benefit from getting a marital license? |
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| [21:27:47] | highzeth: | http://www.carbonmountain.com/opensource/kaos/ interesting |
| [21:28:22] | justinh: | http://www.gigapixel-dresden.de/dresden26GP |
| [21:29:53] | henrik__: | wagnerrp, no benefit.. |
| [21:30:13] | henrik__: | as long as your not married, you still have a gf who tries to please you.. |
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| [21:30:27] | henrik__: | when the ring is on the finger...... |
| [21:30:39] | justinh: | that's rubbish :) |
| [21:31:00] | wagnerrp: | i mean over here, you get reduced tax rates, insurance goes down because actuarials say you dont want to kill yourself, etc.... |
| [21:32:27] | henrik__: | lol no we don't have any + if we get married... same tax, same insurance... |
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| [21:35:15] | xris: | wagnerrp: used to cost *more* on taxes to get married |
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| [21:36:45] | justinh: | I keep hearing tales from married folk complaining they don't 'get it' anymore, their mrs takes all their money. Sometimes I wonder if they're just making it up |
| [21:38:44] | kormoc: | justinh: nah, they just hate each other and won't give up the 'relationship', so they're stuck in a loveless relationship that has no possible good end |
| [21:39:11] | henrik__: | iamlindoro, now, lets say you have another frontend that is not the same computer as your backend. |
| [21:39:29] | iamlindoro: | mmhmmm |
| [21:39:30] | henrik__: | how do you get it do update chanels? |
| [21:39:38] | iamlindoro: | you mean the icons? |
| [21:39:38] | henrik__: | icons |
| [21:39:40] | henrik__: | yes |
| [21:39:41] | justinh: | henrik__: same way |
| [21:39:56] | iamlindoro: | just clear your themecache there, and make sure the new ones are mounted in the same location as on the backend |
| [21:40:02] | henrik__: | I did that, but it did not work the same way |
| [21:40:06] | justinh: | kormoc: sounds like a lot of people I know feel trapped then :D |
| [21:40:30] | henrik__: | do I manually need to copy from the channels directory the icons? |
| [21:40:38] | iamlindoro: | no |
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| [21:40:51] | iamlindoro: | But on the remote frontend, the icons must be network mounted, and at the same path as on the backend |
| [21:41:27] | wagnerrp: | oh? i thought someone said there was a capacity to pull them over mythproto from the backend |
| [21:41:28] | henrik__: | I think the icons have been downloaded when it was setup |
| [21:41:53] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Part of the frontend does, part of it doesn't |
| [21:42:07] | iamlindoro: | henrik__: there's no "download" between frontends |
| [21:42:26] | henrik__: | cause i got icons in that directory |
| [21:42:32] | iamlindoro: | wherever they were downloaded on the backend, that same path must exist on the frontend, and you need to network mount them there |
| [21:42:54] | iamlindoro: | I really hope I don't need to say the same exact thing a fourth time, though.... |
| [21:43:12] | wagnerrp: | or take the easy route and just copy them manually |
| [21:43:17] | wagnerrp: | considering its a one-time thing |
| [21:43:25] | henrik__: | yes.. |
| [21:43:39] | henrik__: | however looking in that directory I got the right images |
| [21:43:49] | skd5aner: | henrik: put it this way, myth says "icons exist in this directory" – if the directory doesn't exist in the exact same spot on the frontends you want, with the icons in there, then you aren't going to have icons |
| [21:43:52] | henrik__: | but when I'm looking at tv4 it shows the symbol for tv400 |
| [21:44:22] | dan__t: | Looks like there's quite a few HTPCs out there huh |
| [21:44:34] | skd5aner: | henrik: if you retrieved the icons using mythtv-setup, it can sometimes pick the wrong icons... gotta go back through manually and clean it up |
| [21:44:40] | justinh: | vot ees dees htpc ? |
| [21:45:14] | henrik__: | ohh okej I'll use a usb memory and get the icons to my other computer.. |
| [21:45:23] | dan__t: | home theater PC |
| [21:45:50] | iamlindoro: | dan__t: HTPC is just a generic term... the point was it's like saying "there sure are a lot of blades of grass out there" |
| [21:46:06] | dan__t: | Er, I know. |
| [21:46:14] | dan__t: | Yet compared to normal cases, I didn't know so many of these existed. |
| [21:46:19] | wagnerrp: | dan__t: you can even claim there are dozens of models of tvs with HTPCs built in |
| [21:46:22] | iamlindoro: | So you mean HTPC *cases* |
| [21:46:23] | henrik__: | there are alot of ppl using mythtv cause imho it's the best |
| [21:46:27] | dan__t: | Yes, sorry. |
| [21:46:37] | iamlindoro: | ergo the fun at your expense |
| [21:47:29] | dan__t: | Looking for one similar to the Hiper HMC-2K53A |
| [21:47:47] | iamlindoro: | So one that sounds like a jet engine taking off, then? |
| [21:48:21] | dan__t: | ...without a few similarities. |
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| [21:49:04] | wagnerrp: | isnt hiper's stuff painfully expensive too? |
| [21:49:05] | iamlindoro: | There are few that have the DVD player like form factor. You can find many that are larger (reciever size) and many that are smaller (ION systems) |
| [21:49:59] | justinh: | the only hiper one I've seen looked like a plastic PoS |
| [21:50:05] | justinh: | a noisy one about an inch high |
| [21:50:13] | wagnerrp: | thats the one |
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| [21:50:33] | wagnerrp: | although i dont understand why it would have to be noisy |
| [21:50:37] | justinh: | not expensive |
| [21:50:44] | iamlindoro: | it doesn't have to be, they just put cheap crap in |
| [21:50:47] | justinh: | wagnerrp: 300W PSU in a box that size? LOL |
| [21:51:00] | justinh: | better with a pico PSU with external brick |
| [21:51:19] | wagnerrp: | just strap a big flat 1U sink, and a centrifugal fan on it |
| [21:51:43] | wagnerrp: | should be damn near silent |
| [21:51:46] | justinh: | cpu cooling can be quiet. I know that. I was talking PSU |
| [21:52:06] | justinh: | that case costs about £50 here, no way is that a good PSU |
| [21:52:28] | dan__t: | I'd love to find one with about the same form factor as that Hiper machine |
| [21:52:45] | wagnerrp: | dan__t: silverstone makes a couple like that |
| [21:52:50] | justinh: | if it's just a frontend, go Ion or so |
| [21:53:09] | iamlindoro: | asus too-- but nobody makes a *good* one in that form factor |
| [21:53:26] | wagnerrp: | lian-li makes a couple about 1.5x that height |
| [21:53:29] | iamlindoro: | and yeah, just get a tiny ion box, mount it on the back of the TV, and you'll never see it period (and it'll be quieter) |
| [21:53:31] | justinh: | that HD decoder on mini PCI in an appletv would be fun |
| [21:53:45] | iamlindoro: | hisssssssss, booooo appletv |
| [21:53:53] | justinh: | once there's a driver in open source, and myth supports it |
| [21:54:08] | justinh: | iamlindoro: yeah but with hd acceleration it could be viable :) |
| [21:54:17] | justinh: | not the ugliest of boxes either |
| [21:54:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, everyone wanting for myth support of it because xbmc supports it |
| [21:54:28] | iamlindoro: | justinh: problem wasn't the video playback, it was UI responsiveness |
| [21:54:35] | justinh: | really? |
| [21:54:44] | wagnerrp: | nevermind the only linux support is from some leaked 8.10 kernel module |
| [21:54:45] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Waiting several seconds to change menu items is not my idea of a good time |
| [21:55:03] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [21:55:20] | iamlindoro: | and yeah, BCom *still* hasn't officially released the linux drivers J-rod worked on |
| [21:55:26] | justinh: | never seen *anything* be that slow |
| [21:55:36] | justinh: | hell not even my fleapea aye ay was |
| [21:55:43] | iamlindoro: | the XBMC people are (shock of shocks) working against a copy of the driver leaked on a chinese web site |
| [21:55:54] | iamlindoro: | which according the j-rod precedes most of the necessary fixes |
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| [21:57:42] | iamlindoro: | s/precedes/predates/ |
| [21:58:30] | justinh: | heh |
| [21:59:06] | justinh: | load of tosh if they never release it though. big bums |
| [21:59:34] | iamlindoro: | last I heard they were stonewalling/person responsible had dropped off the face of the earth |
| [21:59:42] | iamlindoro: | funny how that works |
| [21:59:52] | dan__t: | Silverstone, I'll take a look. |
| [21:59:54] | dan__t: | THanks for the tips. |
| [22:00:07] | iamlindoro: | spend weeks writing them a driver only to have them become mysteriously silent upon delivery |
| [22:00:41] | justinh: | they need some fire |
| [22:00:57] | iamlindoro: | many people do |
| [22:01:21] | iamlindoro: | so many people in need of fire, so little chemical propellant |
| [22:01:27] | justinh: | I mean not open sourcing stuff is their perogative but not when people work on it on their behalf |
| [22:01:33] | justinh: | ffs |
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| [22:03:28] | wagnerrp: | or even do something like nvidia, where they open source a kernel interface, to allow people to use it globally |
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| [22:04:16] | iamlindoro: | Which is pretty much what I understand this is |
| [22:04:16] | dan__t: | Ok, those Ion machines look kind of rad, but still twice the height of the Hiper machine I was looking at. |
| [22:04:26] | iamlindoro: | dan__t: Not at all |
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| [22:04:37] | iamlindoro: | they're *less* height if you choose the right one |
| [22:04:38] | dan__t: | They have lots of pics but nothing to use as a reference. |
| [22:04:38] | wagnerrp: | dan__t: look at something like the Aspire Revos |
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| [22:04:55] | iamlindoro: | ^^ yup |
| [22:05:29] | dan__t: | awesome |
| [22:06:59] | dan__t: | I like that Silverstone ML02 |
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| [22:08:11] | iamlindoro: | Anything you buy fro silverstone you should insist on seeing in person first |
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| [22:08:24] | iamlindoro: | as I have yet to see a case from them that doesn't look like plastic garbage in person |
| [22:08:25] | justinh: | definitely |
| [22:08:32] | justinh: | learned from the LC02 I bought |
| [22:09:16] | iamlindoro: | They make everything they sell look metallic and sleek in their promotional stuff, and then you end up with cheap, breakable plastic |
| [22:09:48] | iamlindoro: | nothing wrong with plastic in and of itself, I guess, but plastic made in "metallic style" is pretty awful |
| [22:10:08] | dan__t: | haha |
| [22:10:17] | dan__t: | understood. |
| [22:10:50] | dan__t: | I'll stop by Fry's for shits and giggles to see what they've got. |
| [22:11:32] | kormoc: | Lian Li for the win |
| [22:11:36] | dan__t: | Ok, its 3PM, I've been here since like 11 with a hour and a half lunch. Its been a long day. |
| [22:11:56] | dan__t: | Thanks for the help, I appreciate it. |
| [22:12:11] | wagnerrp: | yeah, those .75hrs of actual work are killer |
| [22:12:16] | dan__t: | Fact. |
| [22:12:47] | iamlindoro: | kormoc+++++++++++ |
| [22:13:06] | iamlindoro: | If can find a Lian Li in the form factor I'm looking for, I would buy it sight unseen |
| [22:13:18] | wagnerrp: | which one is that? |
| [22:13:27] | iamlindoro: | Any lian li |
| [22:13:44] | wagnerrp: | ... form factor |
| [22:13:51] | iamlindoro: | any form factor :) |
| [22:14:04] | wagnerrp: | so youre just going to buy every single case you can get your hands on? |
| [22:14:15] | wagnerrp: | start making living room furniture out of it |
| [22:14:21] | xris: | looking for a media case? |
| [22:14:26] | wagnerrp: | who needs a new table leg when youve got a good computer case |
| [22:14:37] | wagnerrp: | night stand? computer case |
| [22:14:43] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: It was a "If I had a choice between any manufacturer and lian li, regardless of form factor, it's always the Lian Li" |
| [22:15:06] | iamlindoro: | I am not in the market, but if I were, that's what I always look at first |
| [22:15:08] | wagnerrp: | ok, that makes more sense |
| [22:15:38] | wagnerrp: | i thought you meant you were specifically looking for one currently |
| [22:15:43] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [22:17:54] | ** xris likes his http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129030 case ** | |
| [22:18:34] | ** kormoc likes his http://www.apple.com/macmini ** | |
| [22:19:16] | iamlindoro: | http://www.page3.com/ |
| [22:19:22] | iamlindoro: | Oh, wait, that's not a computer case |
| [22:19:35] | iamlindoro: | and hopefully you're all at home... |
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| [22:22:40] | justinh: | nice jubs? :-O |
| [22:22:42] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: actually, the main xbmc guy working on this does have the same driver source I do, he just can't release it either |
| [22:23:06] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: Yeah, I understand he does, but their users are using the "leaked" driver |
| [22:23:10] | j-rod: | so they can move forward on ubuntu 8.04, then port to the proper libs when they're released |
| [22:23:11] | j-rod: | yeah |
| [22:23:35] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: And there's a little cottage industry in "XBMC and crystal HD" howtos on the web having people download the chinese leak |
| [22:23:37] | j-rod: | the interface lib is mostly the same, interface-wise |
| [22:23:46] | j-rod: | yeah, I've seen a few of 'em now |
| [22:24:32] | justinh: | in fairness the LC02 I've got is actually aloominumm, only plastic bits are the feet & LED clips |
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| [22:24:53] | justinh: | but it's just *flat* & has useless airflow |
| [22:26:54] | ** j-rod has about 20 different projects he wants to work on while off work the latter half of next week and the week after... ** | |
| [22:27:10] | ** j-rod doubts more than 2 will get much love though ** | |
| [22:27:34] | iamlindoro: | so which two? ;) |
| [22:27:49] | iamlindoro: | And don't say internet video for myth, because that one's taken ;) |
| [22:27:51] | j-rod: | gotta finish getting lirc_dev into the kernel |
| [22:27:57] | j-rod: | that's prio #1 |
| [22:28:19] | j-rod: | also need to finish up some bits in my new stand-alone pure input imon driver and get that submitted |
| [22:28:52] | j-rod: | want to get native input support into mythtv too |
| [22:29:04] | j-rod: | and work on the crystalhd bits |
| [22:29:14] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: I've lurked around those discussions, but what benefit does getting it into myth offer? |
| [22:29:36] | justinh: | users not having to mess about with lirc so much I imagine |
| [22:29:37] | j-rod: | native input layer support? |
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| [22:29:39] | justinh: | big win |
| [22:29:40] | j-rod: | yeah, no lirc |
| [22:29:51] | iamlindoro: | slick |
| [22:29:58] | j-rod: | can still *use* lirc, but in theory, things could work right out of the box w/o it |
| [22:30:14] | iamlindoro: | since LIRC is the one and only topic I refuse to troubleshoot, you can imagine my feelings about it :) |
| [22:30:27] | justinh: | we don't see so much of it here these days but it's still a bugbear & prolly a big source of criticism people lump in with mythtv being the cause of |
| [22:30:35] | iamlindoro: | My knowledge of LIRC is good, but hard won, and it's not the getting things to work I hate about it, it's trying to make others understand how it works |
| [22:30:39] | j-rod: | so with this pure input layer imon driver, the play button would be KEY_PLAY in input layer parlance, and that would automatically Just Work as if you hit "p" on a keyboard |
| [22:30:58] | iamlindoro: | That would be a big win |
| [22:31:13] | justinh: | lirc had me stumped for a few hours but once you connect lircd.conf button names with entries in lircrc you can laugh about it |
| [22:31:27] | justinh: | it's more making the driver do stuff where you can fall hard |
| [22:32:01] | justinh: | and folks run into the config file issues all the time cos they use unclued Bub's blog entries |
| [22:32:12] | justinh: | *still* grrr |
| [22:32:27] | iamlindoro: | we still see tons of people using parker.co.uk |
| [22:32:50] | justinh: | at one point his guides were right on the money |
| [22:32:58] | justinh: | real get you going quick stuff |
| [22:33:13] | justinh: | horrendously outdated now though |
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| [22:34:14] | iamlindoro: | Hmm... j-rod, the Dell Mini has *two* Mini-PCIe slots, right? |
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| [22:34:19] | iamlindoro: | or is it just one? |
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| [22:34:29] | justinh: | I stand corrected. updated! |
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| [22:34:47] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: assuming you mean the dell studio hybrid, two |
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| [22:34:51] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: dont you have one you could pop open? |
| [22:34:51] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [22:34:52] | iamlindoro: | slick |
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| [22:35:09] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: yeah, I do, it's at home, I'm here, and thinking of grabbing a couple cards to play with on the weekend |
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| [22:35:17] | j-rod: | one for wifi, one for the "Broadcom BD Accelerator" card |
| [22:35:25] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: yeah, that's what I thought |
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| [22:35:39] | iamlindoro: | think I might try to rig that up in the kitchen this weekend |
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| [22:35:58] | ** j-rod emails iamlindoro one of his ~6 crystalhd cards... ** | |
| [22:36:20] | wagnerrp: | oh for a universal constructor.... |
| [22:36:46] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: well I wouldn't *stop* you ;) |
| [22:37:35] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: The one thing I am concerned about is an antenna for wireless, though... not sure if there's one in there when it didn't come with the card? |
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| [22:37:49] | j-rod: | that I don't know, mine came w/a wifi card |
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| [22:38:10] | iamlindoro: | oh well, will figure it out |
| [22:38:11] | j-rod: | (which was also bcm) |
| [22:38:24] | iamlindoro: | definitely not running ethernet to the kitchen, it's slab underneath |
| [22:38:54] | iamlindoro: | s/ethernet/cat5/ |
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| [22:42:40] | sid3windr: | iamlindoro: normally they always prewire the antenna.. as long as the slot was meant in their design for a wifi card |
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| [23:52:00] | bllzz: | I'm using the OpenGL painter in myth .22, but every time the frontend starts, the menu shows for a few seconds and then fades to black. how can I preven this from happening? |
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