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klpt:

anybody have some insight as to how to diagnose high CPU usage while playing back video with the internal player?

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[R]:

klpt: your cpu can't handle the decoding

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klpt:

well, that's certainly the easy answer

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klpt:

but it's worth noting that this machine played back video recorded by the same capture card

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jblack:

that's basically the answer.

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klpt:

with lower cpu usage

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klpt:

under my last installation

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klpt:

i decided to upgrade from myth 0.18

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klpt:

by just reinstalling my whole be/fe system

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klpt:

I figured it was... about time

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klpt:

the machine played back TV recordings at about 15–20% CPU usage before. Now it's pegged at 100%. The video plays back mostly OK though, only occasionally skipping a frame

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iamlindoro:

klpt, If you came from .18, there were no playback profiles then-- so your playback profile is the default, which is wrong for most non-beastly systems

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klpt:

and I'm trying to figure out what's different

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iamlindoro:

klpt, You want Slim

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Brad-D:

iamlindoro: how goes your QThreads deathmatch? ;)

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback

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iamlindoro:

Page Three

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klpt:

good grief, you've memorized the hideously large configuration menus??

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iamlindoro:

Switch the Playback Profile group to "Slim," then Next to the "Finish"

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iamlindoro:

yes :)

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iamlindoro:

Brad-D, it mostly works, or at least well enough that I'm working on one of the 1,000 other tasks for it

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Brad-D:

nice, glad you got it figured out

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klpt:

what's the difference between "slim" and "normal" profiles? they look absolutely identical

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iamlindoro:

klpt, deinterlace

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iamlindoro:

ie, one of the two pages of options when you "edit" the items

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iamlindoro:

use slim

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klpt:

oh wow

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klpt:

77.1% idle now

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klpt:

i would never have known the difference based on what i saw in the config menu ;)

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iamlindoro:

normal would probably work too, it's just that Slim is a near-guaranteed work

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iamlindoro:

so for our sanity we generally direct people to Slim, and then they know where to look and any further breakage is on them ;)

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klpt:

haha, I had it on normal and X was using 65% and mythfrontend the rest

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klpt:

huh, based on the docs

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klpt:

i'm guessing i should use cpu--

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klpt:

hm, that seems to work, but doesn't seem to be deinterlacing terribly well

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klpt:

but it does have extremely low CPU usage. 85% free

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klpt:

alright, so that's fixed. next issue... does anybody know how to fix multiple events per keystroke through lirc?

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klpt:

i tried using the repeat and delay keywords to modify the behavior, but when looking at irw I realized that a single button press creates multiple events with the 00 counter – as if they were distinct presses of the button

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tyce:

I've got a coverart question: It works fine on my *nix frontends, but on my frontends running under mac os x, the coverart/banners/etc.. won't show up and I get this error: Error loading image to scale, from file: myth://Coverart@...

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Callum:

Hi guys, I'm about to explode here...

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** klpt ducks **

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Callum:

=P

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Dagmar:

Point it away from everyone else

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Callum:

alright

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klpt:

oh dagnammit

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klpt:

it turned off. why did it turn off. i have at least eight lines in xorg.conf to make it not turn off

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Callum:

I'm trying to get MythTV 0.22 (on Mythbuntu 9.10) to use an external player (mplayer) for FLV videos, but it just won't run the command at all

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klpt:

is mplayer in your myth user's $path?

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Callum:

I've tried the same command I'm using in a terminal and it works fine, but MythTV doesn't want to execute anything unless its the Internal player

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Callum:

klpt: yes

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[R]:

Callum: are you using storage groups?

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Callum:

klpt: I I think

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Callum:

[R]: Nope

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[R]:

you can't use external players with storage groups

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[R]:

what does the frontend log say

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klpt:

Callum: run the frontend from the terminal as a user if you don't feel like digging for logs

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Callum:

klpt: Even when I explicity define what file to execute it doesn't do anything

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Dagmar:

What part of "can't use external players with storage groups" is confusing you

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klpt:

Dagmar: it doesn't seem like he's using storage groups?

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Dagmar:

In that case I'd make it log mplayers stdout/stderr to a file

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[R]:

myth should just "know" i have a keyboard and me hitting enter on an input field shoudln't pop up the keyboard

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klpt:

the myth UI isn't exactly the best designed thing in the world. luckily you don't really use it too often

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iamlindoro:

[R], It knows you have enter and return bound to select

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[R]:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

unbind the one you're hitting

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[R]:

but then how would i use it on buttons?

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Callum:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

[R], or turn off the setting for "use line edit virtual keyboards"

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[R]:

i dont want to turn it off though

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[R]:

for when i'm not using a keyboard

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iamlindoro:

sigh

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Callum:

I specifically ran "/usr/bin/mplayer" instead of just "mplayer" it still doesn't work...

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Callum:

looking at mythtv logs doesn't help me...*pastebins*

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Dagmar:

In that case I'd make it log mplayers stdout/stderr to a file

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Callum:

Dagmar: mplayer is fine, I tried MPlayer by itself with the same command I use in mythtv, it works fine

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Callum:

plays the video wonderfully =3

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Dagmar:

Well then clearly your problem is solved. Glad we could be of help

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Callum:

What?

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Callum:

No, its not solved

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klpt:

Callum: you really need to see what the output in the mythfrontend log is

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klpt:

without what's in there

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klpt:

neither you nor anybody else will guess what's going on

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Callum:

yeah, I'll pastebin it now

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Callum:

http://pastebin.com/d6c313792 – here, sorry that took so long

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klpt:

that doesn't seem to be the relevant bit of log data

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klpt:

does anybody know if mythvideo will follow symlinks in the library directory? I like to keep my dvd rips of tv shows and movies separated in the directory tree, and it seems lame to have to put them in the same parent directory

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[R]:

Callum: what directory is the file in?

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Callum:

[R]: /home/media/Desktop/Vids (temporary folder until I get my file server back up), this is picked up by MythTV fine

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[R]:

and you're sure you tried playing the video? cuz i see nothing in there to indicate that

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Dagmar:

So before too much time gets utterly wasted I'll try this one more time

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Dagmar:

If MPlayer can play a video from a terminal fine then MPlayer clearly works

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Dagmar:

If MythTV can play a video with it's internal player, then it probably works too

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Dagmar:

If Mplayer can't play a video when invoked by MythTV, then clearly there is a problem with Mplayer when invoked by MythTV

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Callum:

Dagmar: Yeah

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klpt:

Dagmar: logic win

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Dagmar:

Have myth the damn thing as blah 2>&1 > /tmp/logfile.txt

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Callum:

I don't use the Internal player because there is no sound from it when I try to play this flv with it...

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Dagmar:

Capture what it's saying to stderr/stdout when it fails.

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Callum:

yeah

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Callum:

unfortunately it will have to wait till commercial breaks, my father is watching his motorsport on it at the moment =)

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** Callum <3 racing in 1080i **

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[R]:

do i need to nfs my cahnnel logos?

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klpt:

[R]: as opposed to just copying them or using some other sharing mechanism...?

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[R]:

well they have to be availbale on the frontend filesystme right?

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[R]:

i guses tahts the question

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klpt:

yeah, if you care. i frankly don't remember how mine got there

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Callum:

http://pastebin.com/d372f93cd – hmm, syntax error in a shell script somewhere...

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[R]:

extreme... myth seems to copy the icons over autoamtically

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klpt:

so it just... worked?

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klpt:

nice

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benklop:

is there a way to 'pause' all jobs on a backend?

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klpt:

killlall mythbackend

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klpt:

:P

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wagnerrp:

klpt: that wont do it, the jobs run independently of the backend

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** Callum killall mythfrontend **

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Callum:

PLEASE WORK PROPERLY =<

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Callum:

man, this apple I'm eating is delicious though =O

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klpt:

wagnerrp: alright, you're right.... "reboot"

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HypNoMadic:

Hello – Every week there are a few shows that always cause a weird video/audio synch/choppy playback issue, I suspect it's either the ATSC broadcast or an issue with the HDHR. Is it possible to upload just a piece of the 4.7GB show for someone to examine?

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wagnerrp:

myth offers no place to host such files

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wagnerrp:

if you can host it yourself, post a ticket on trac and someone may get to it

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wagnerrp:

is it all on one channel?

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HypNoMadic:

I'm not asking for a place to put the file, I can hang it off my own server, just curious how I can cut just a piece of the 4.7GB file

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wagnerrp:

dd with an offset

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wilberfan:

hey, guys... anyone running the .32 kernel? my remote stopped working after upgrading this afternoon...

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wagnerrp:

its a transport stream

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wagnerrp:

you can clip it at will

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klpt:

wilberfan: yes, but mine works great

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wilberfan:

did i see something about firmware flash by...?

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wagnerrp:

and playback will start at the first detected I frame

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wilberfan:

klpt, did you have to do anything with any firmware...?

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HypNoMadic:

wagnerrp: sounds good, can you give me a real world example of the command, I've got no manpage for offset "No manual entry for offset"

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wilberfan:

maybe my lirc module didn't upgrade...?

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wagnerrp:

'dd if=input.mpg of=output.mpg bs=1M skip=1000 count=100'

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wagnerrp:

that will dump 100MB of file, starting at 1GB

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wilberfan:

brb

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klpt:

wilberfan: nope, i use a simple photodiode and a serial port. no firmware involved

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benklop:

wagnerrp: I really just need to stop mythcommflag jobs without killall mythcommflag temporarily so I have enough CPU to watch hulu..

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HypNoMadic:

wagnerrp: thanks

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benklop:

that way I can restart the jobs when huludesktop exits

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wagnerrp:

benklop: just 'nice' it

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Dagmar:

`man renice`

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Dagmar:

...and USE SMALL STEPS.

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kb9vqf:

So...what does "Timed out nn possible channels" mean?

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kb9vqf:

Shouldn't I be able to receive a signal if the tuner is locked?

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kb9vqf:

err...view a signal

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benklop:

kb9vqf: i was wondering that as well

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kb9vqf:

Do I have to maybe add the channel manually to the database?

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HypNoMadic:

wagnerrp: would you mind taking a glance at this in pastebin please? http://pastebin.ca/1703828 Just to let me know if I should maybe be hitting up the silicon dust forums or the ATSC broadcasting station itself please? The first 93 lines were actually cut down from 10589 to 93 to due restrictions of pastebin and the fact that they were all repeated. I get the feeling this isn't a Myth issue.

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Dagmar:

I don't see how that could relate to myth

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HypNoMadic:

Yeah, I didn't think so, since it's just the ATSC dump from the HDHR, maybe it's an HDHR issue, but it's every program from the CBS station that I get, so I get the feeling it's the ATSC transmission perhaps?

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Dagmar:

Very likely so

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Dagmar:

This may sound like a lame solution, but you can try tell it to do an automatic transcode (lossless preferably) after each recording

[04:05:21]

Dagmar:

It might clean them up

[04:05:38]

Dagmar:

Heck pull one into the player and tell it to transcode it, then come back and try playing it again once it's completed that

[04:06:39]

wagnerrp:

65mbps recording, impressive

[04:06:55]

HypNoMadic:

ok I'll give that a try, but often times we watch survivor just 30 minutes after it starts

[04:06:59]

HypNoMadic:

I'll chat up silicon dust before I make some angry old many calling the TV station call

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** wagnerrp hates when broadcasters put completely arbitrary information in their data stream **

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wagnerrp:

HypNoMadic: you may also want to try recording something directly using the hdhomerun program on their site

[04:10:06]

wagnerrp:

either on linux or windows

[04:10:18]

wagnerrp:

that would rule out mythtv entirely

[04:10:33]

HypNoMadic:

ok, good idea, clear the innocent first, eh?

[04:10:58]

wagnerrp:

im not claiming mythtv is innocent, could be a problem with the implementation

[04:11:14]

wagnerrp:

could be a problem with the version of libhdhomerun that myth currently has

[04:11:46]

wagnerrp:

could just need a firmware bump, although you should try to keep the firmware matching what mythtv uses internally

[04:13:40]

HypNoMadic:

wagnerrp: I'm a bit of a firmware junkie, now can I tell what firmware version mythtv uses?

[04:13:40]

HypNoMadic:

*how*

[04:13:57]

wagnerrp:

through the commit logs

[04:14:20]

wagnerrp:

the firmware revs are matched against a specific library release from silicon dust

[04:14:30]

wagnerrp:

IIRC, myth is currently using a release from late august

[04:19:30]

HypNoMadic:

is it suggested NOT to install the libhdhomerun from silicondust? I usually compile and install the libhdhomerun source from silicondust that matches the firmware version I'm using

[04:20:10]

wagnerrp:

myth has its own internal version of the library, it does not use anything you may download and install

[04:21:54]

HypNoMadic:

ok, so the existance of the silicondust's version on my system shouldn't interfere with Myth?

[04:22:36]

wagnerrp:

not unless it updates the firmware on its own

[04:28:03]

Dagmar:

Wow this isn't Windows man

[04:28:20]

Dagmar:

You typically don't have to worry about new things affecting an existing binary

[04:28:32]

Dagmar:

...so long as you dont' replace anything it needed before

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rebecca_:

hey peoples, can someone please recommend a dvb-t capture card for use in australia with mythtv

[05:06:07]

rebecca_:

known to work well

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Callum:

I use a Hauppauge Nova-T 500 here in New Zealand, I assume it will work just as well in Australia

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rebecca_:

thanks Callum

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rebecca_:

im pricing up/figuring out my mythtv backend now. sofar: sempron le1100 + ga-m85m-us2h + 2gb kingston ram + 3 x 1tb samsung sata + antec earthworks 500w psu + 800VA ups

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wagnerrp:

some tips...

[05:18:21]

wagnerrp:

dont bother with a sempron, get a real processor

[05:18:41]

wagnerrp:

dual core athlon will do nicely, and is not much more expensive than a sempron

[05:19:05]

wagnerrp:

antec makes nice PSUs, and the high efficiency units are recommended

[05:19:09]

wagnerrp:

but 500W is overkill

[05:19:16]

rebecca_:

i already have the sempron and was under the impression it should be adequate for a backend system

[05:20:05]

wagnerrp:

a decent dual core, 2gb of memory, and three hard drives, is going to run you maybe ~150W under full load

[05:20:25]

wagnerrp:

well just about any P3 or better is 'adequate' for a backend

[05:20:26]

rebecca_:

im aware it's overkill but i want excess for cooling reasons.

[05:21:02]

wagnerrp:

thats no good reason, just buy a 120mm exhaust fan

[05:21:08]

rebecca_:

ill be removing the fan from the psu

[05:21:25]

wagnerrp:

that is very unadvised

[05:21:30]

rebecca_:

i know

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jblack:

keep the computer far away from combustible materials

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wagnerrp:

if you want to remove the fan from the PSU, you either need to make sure other fans are forcing sufficient airflow through the PSU, or you need to buy a fanless PSU (and still meet the previous requirement)

[05:22:28]

jblack:

Like your home

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rebecca_:

i know what im doing, don't worry. it'll have adequate airflow from convection

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wagnerrp:

no, you wont

[05:24:06]

wagnerrp:

not unless youre building your own case with that purpose in mind

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rebecca_:

i am :)

[05:25:04]

wagnerrp:

on a side note, if youre running a backend-only machine, what do you care about noise? just stick it in a closet/basement

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** jblack mumbles something to wagnerrp about unwinnable arguments. **

[05:26:11]

wagnerrp:

anyway, i just recommend against a sempron because they are almost all single core

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rebecca_:

it's going to be a chimney type convection cooled case. essentially a tube ~2m tall. with the hot components down the bottom. the rising hot air sucks in more cool air from below. i have built computers that function like this fanless before

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wagnerrp:

and i cant recommend a single core chip to anyone

[05:26:43]

wagnerrp:

not when alternatives are available anyway

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rebecca_:

i hate fans

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wagnerrp:

and instead youre running a trio of hard drives that are each louder than a decent 120mm?

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wagnerrp:

just stick a single undervolted 120+mm at the top of that stack

[05:27:47]

wagnerrp:

and it will function FAR better

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mchou:

rebecca_: is this pretty much only for myth?

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rebecca_:

it's not just the noise of fans, it's cleaning them and the chance of failure. less moving parts is ideal for me

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rebecca_:

mchou: no, both mythtv and general fileserver

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mchou:

rebecca_: you don't need much juice for fileserver

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rebecca_:

wagnerrp: what's the problem with single core? won't meet the demands of being a mythtv hd backend

[05:29:26]

rebecca_:

?

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** jblack nudges wagnerrp in the ribs **

[05:29:36]

jblack:

can't...win...

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mchou:

rebecca_: single core works fine

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wagnerrp:

it will meet the demands of a HD backend just fine

[05:30:09]

rebecca_:

ok

[05:30:11]

wagnerrp:

since there are no HD framegrabbers supported by mythtv

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mchou:

if you are interested in flagging commercials it might get just slightly annoying

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rebecca_:

ahhh

[05:30:40]

rebecca_:

why

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wagnerrp:

all HD stuff will be pre-encoded, either by a hardware encoder (HDPVR) or by your broadcaster (digital)

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rebecca_:

yup

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wagnerrp:

which is why i said any P3 or better is really all you need

[05:31:15]

wagnerrp:

and you can actually get by with less

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mchou:

rebecca_: how many HDDs are you planning to run in there?

[05:32:02]

wagnerrp:

however from a usability standpoint, i cannot recommend a UP machine

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mchou:

lol

[05:32:57]

wagnerrp:

its personal preference

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wagnerrp:

i dont like uniprocessor machines

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jblack:

if yo ustart doing commercial detect or transcoding as a habit...

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jblack:

I wish I had more than a dual core

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rebecca_:

mchou: total of 4 hdds. 2 x 1TB sata in raid0 for fileserver, 1 x 1TB sata for mythtv recording, 1 x 2GB usb external for fileserver backup.

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wagnerrp:

its got nothing to do with performance, its just having that other core/processor free if youre running something intensive

[05:34:02]

mchou:

then 500W PSU is OVERKILL

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rebecca_:

wagnerrp: hmmmm, i see your point. interesting

[05:35:10]

wagnerrp:

PSUs are designed to be most efficient under mid-high load

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rebecca_:

how well does the auto commercial detection actually work at present?

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mchou:

modern systems with 6 HDDs draw less than 100W from the wall

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wagnerrp:

if youre running your PSU at 10–15% load, youre going to generate more heat than a properly sized PSU

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mchou:

rebecca_: that depends on which country you are in

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wagnerrp:

it works well in the US

[05:35:59]

wagnerrp:

less so elsewhere

[05:36:10]

wagnerrp:

dont know about Australia in particular

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rebecca_:

ok :)

[05:37:10]

wagnerrp:

primarily due to the fact that most of the people working on myth (and willing to develop for the commflagger) live in the US

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** rebecca_ nods **

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rebecca_:

btw, one reason behing the antec earthworks 500w was that it's quite efficient under low load. see here: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/526/7

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rebecca_:

behind*

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mchou:

umm, what's the point? it's still overkill

[05:41:14]

wagnerrp:

those are the ratings for US 110V

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wagnerrp:

they will be different (and generally higher) for you 230V

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wagnerrp:

check out http://www.80plus.org/manu/psu/psu_join.aspx

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wagnerrp:

seasonic makes some decent lower power, efficient supplies

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Wicked:

hmm. is it anyone in here who wrote the freemoted stuff?

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Wicked:

this one http://www.accentual.com/freemote/ not the one on sf

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Shadow__X:

antec has a 380 watt earthwatts psu

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rebecca_:

Shadow__X: ahh, cool, thanks, didn't see that one

[06:04:31]

Shadow__X:

yeah but as others have said just because something is efficient at lower watts it makes more sense to get a psu closer rated to what you will actually use

[06:05:06]

wagnerrp:

well youre going to be hard pressed to find a standard PSU at under 300W

[06:05:55]

Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah i agree but still 380 is less than 500 and its still over 80 % efficient

[06:06:13]

wagnerrp:

most supplies you find under that range are going to be TFX

[06:06:24]

Shadow__X:

tfx?

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wagnerrp:

tfx and sfx, non-atx form factors

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wagnerrp:

generally narrow and longer

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Shadow__X:

ah yeah looked it up

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Shadow__X:

reminds me of the shuttle psu's

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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achandra:

hello all, thinking of buying a hdpvr for christmas and connecting to the existing cable box. Are there any limitations or issues? I've read through the mythtv website, but wanted to get some insight on people that are using it now

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wagnerrp:

achandra: really just the CPU requirements

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achandra:

wagnerrp, can you elaborate..im guessing the limitations are on backend side. What would they be? and any issues with integration on a SA7200HD?

[07:04:50]

achandra:

wagnerrp, ive waited for 2.2 to be released before asking such questions ;)

[07:04:57]

wagnerrp:

there is very little backend CPU requirement

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achandra:

woops thats .22

[07:05:16]

wagnerrp:

and the HDPVR can be integrated with any device that supports component output

[07:05:33]

wagnerrp:

so long as said device has a means of external control

[07:05:34]

achandra:

i see...the limitations then on the Frontend?

[07:05:38]

wagnerrp:

being firewire, serial, or IR

[07:05:55]

wagnerrp:

the limitations are that the HDPVR outputs single sliced h264

[07:06:03]

wagnerrp:

which means you are limited to single threaded decoding

[07:06:21]

wagnerrp:

which at its peak bitrate of 13.5 mbps means are very high end processor

[07:06:24]

wagnerrp:

or VDPAU

[07:06:38]

achandra:

wow...k sort of antithetical in that we're running multithreaded os's

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mattwj2002:

13.5 Mbps H264? O_o

[07:07:05]

wagnerrp:

achandra: its got nothing to do with the OS or the processor

[07:07:09]

wagnerrp:

just the implementation

[07:07:14]

achandra:

i see

[07:07:30]

wagnerrp:

h264 was designed for multithreaded encoding and decoding by means of 'slices'

[07:07:55]

wagnerrp:

the frame is actually subdivided into multiple independent data streams

[07:08:02]

achandra:

wagnerrp, and from a setup perspective i understand that the hpdvr is connected to backened, for output is a seperate hd card required?

[07:08:05]

wagnerrp:

that are encoded and decoded separately in parallel

[07:08:13]

wagnerrp:

however the HDPVR only outputs single-sliced

[07:08:23]

achandra:

interesting

[07:08:38]

wagnerrp:

the backend and HDPVR are both input only

[07:08:46]

wagnerrp:

and there is no 'HD card'

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mattwj2002:

so mythtv re-encode it?

[07:08:56]

wagnerrp:

you just get a standard PC video card

[07:09:00]

mattwj2002:

*does

[07:09:05]

wagnerrp:

preferably from nvidia

[07:09:13]

achandra:

with hd out?

[07:09:16]

achandra:

or not needed

[07:09:26]

achandra:

ill be displaying at 1080

[07:09:30]

achandra:

to the 56inch

[07:09:55]

achandra:

as I remember my old setup a while ago, i had trouble with a ati card with hdmi out getting it working

[07:09:59]

wagnerrp:

HD (component) outputs are getting rare in modern cards

[07:10:14]

wagnerrp:

youll either need to use VGA, or one of the digital outputs (DVI/HDMI)

[07:10:26]

achandra:

wondering if ill have such an issue again.

[07:10:41]

achandra:

yep got it

[07:10:57]

achandra:

yep got it

[07:11:05]

achandra:

sorry for double post

[07:12:47]

jblack:

is there anybody here with graphic design capability that doesn't mind a little charity work?

[07:12:48]

achandra:

wagnerrp: so im going to guess in this case with hdpvr, its a single recording at a time which ties up output..so if you are recoding though it, then you're forced to watch the show you are recording correct?

[07:13:05]

wagnerrp:

mythtv expects dedicated hardware

[07:13:15]

wagnerrp:

it expects to always have access to that tuner and that STB

[07:13:26]

achandra:

k

[07:13:38]

wagnerrp:

if you want to watch multiple things, you need multiple STBs

[07:13:54]

achandra:

wagnerrp, so in this case two hdpvrs?

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achandra:

to get access to 1080 content?

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wagnerrp:

if you want to watch/record two simultaneous shows through mythtv

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wagnerrp:

you need two STBs and two HDPVRs

[07:15:29]

wagnerrp:

check the channel lineups at silicon dust, you may be able to access some of those channels over clear qam

[07:15:35]

wagnerrp:

generally all of the local stations

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mattwj2002:

are you guys talking about the HDHomeRun?

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wagnerrp:

no

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achandra:

no

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achandra:

hauppage hdvr

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mattwj2002:

oh

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achandra:

woops hdpvr that is

[07:17:40]

mattwj2002:

oh well that is what I use it for clear QAM

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mattwj2002:

clear QAM isn't too bad :)

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achandra:

wagnerrp, thanks for the info

[07:17:57]

achandra:

wagnerrp++

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wagnerrp:

i mentioned silicon dust because they maintain a clear digital cable lineup online, searchable by postal code

[07:18:22]

mattwj2002:

oh okay

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mattwj2002:

got ya

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mattwj2002:

wagnerrp question for you

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mattwj2002:

I know it isn't offically supported but do you think the Windows frontend "MythTV Player" is safe?

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mattwj2002:

http://www.sudu.dk/mythtvplayer/

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wagnerrp:

no

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justinh:

last time I tried that it took my backend offline

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mattwj2002:

:O

[07:22:55]

mattwj2002:

it crashed it?

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justinh:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

the dev finally comes out of hiding after two years to make one update for 0.22 RC

[07:23:31]

wagnerrp:

i dont consider that as being sufficiently maintained to safely use against an ever changing schema and backend proto

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achandra:

wagnerrp, actually the hdhomerun unit is an interesting conversation....is that perhaps a better replacement for the hdpvr?

[07:24:03]

wagnerrp:

especially when the dev chose to simply ignore the lockouts on the backend to prevent communication between different backend protos

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justinh:

achandra: no, especially when it can't capture from a HD box

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wagnerrp:

achandra: check the website, see what channels you can expect to get over digital cable

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wagnerrp:

make your choice based off that

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wagnerrp:

usually clear QAM only gets you the local broadcast channels

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achandra:

wagnerrp, yeah its sort of a trade off... 2 channels, or get a hdpvr to be able to catch the encrypted channels from the cable box... sort of a trade off

[07:27:54]

wagnerrp:

well thats not really a tradeoff

[07:28:20]

wagnerrp:

one works for what you want, the other doesnt

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achandra:

wagnerrp, fair enough yes

[07:29:40]

achandra:

wagnerrp, id defenitely like to get access to the encrypted channels from the cable box. I'll have to see if can *live* without the second channel per se.

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mattwj2002:

hi guys I have another question

[07:30:37]

wagnerrp:

personally, if youre just going to have one tuner, you may as well just rent the cableco's DVR

[07:30:37]

mattwj2002:

anyone play around with Mythtv on Windows

[07:30:50]

mattwj2002:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Windows

[07:30:57]

wagnerrp:

i tried compiling it myself, couldnt get it to work

[07:31:15]

mattwj2002:

you can download it precompiled now

[07:31:15]

mattwj2002:

:)

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wagnerrp:

i tried the pre-compiled binaries, still couldnt get it to work

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mattwj2002:

o_O

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achandra:

wagnerrp, i have the cable''s 7200HD and the hdd went out on it..hence im thinking of building something myself. Im thinking of replacing with a 3800 which is simply an hd cable box......trying to think this through and architecting a good solution.

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achandra:

wagnerrp, based on what i've posed...how might you do it?

[07:34:06]

achandra:

wagnerrp, trying to get a fix on the setup

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Callum:

<mchou> rebecca_: you don't need much juice for fileserver – I know this was a long time ago, but still, I use a 2x dual-core Xeon machine as my fileserver, hey I don't need much of that at all but it sure does give me bragging rights =)

[07:49:04]

mattwj2002:

hehe

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Callum:

And I didn't pay anything for it...

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mattwj2002:

I wish I had a 6 core system!

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

right now you have to buy a server class system though to get it

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justinh:

no! they sacked Malcolm Tucker! shame

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** mattwj2002 doesn't follow football **

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justinh:

The Thick Of It. Political comedy. Not football

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mattwj2002:

oh

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justinh:

like Curb but actually funny and way, way more sweary

[08:04:04]

mattwj2002:

oh okay

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hpbox:

Hi, I've got a HaughPagh 2250, I believe it is set up correct (compiled drivers checked dmesg) however I find bad channels and the frontend crashes (in live tv mode)

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hpbox:

I'm trying to use scan to insert the correct frequencies

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hpbox:

however, I think I need this file and cannot find it us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256

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hpbox:

could someone tell me where to get this, and if my troubleshoot process is sane ?

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Gumby:

Anyone here been watching the new series (remake) V?

[10:10:37]

Gumby:

Is it true Episode5 wont be until march

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Gumby:

wow, apparently it is

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rebecca_:

anyone tried one of these capture cards with myth? http://www.avermedia.com/avertv/product/Produ . . . .aspx?Id=470

[10:57:05]

rebecca_:

AVerTV TwinStar PCI-E

[10:57:07]

rebecca_:

A188

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mzb:

Gumby, having watched the original V series I'm interested to see the new one ... Dianna (?) was (strangely) hot for the 80's ;))

[10:59:18]

mzb:

is that rebecca_ the aussie? No, sorry, very little support for PCI-E tuners (aka: I don't know)

[10:59:47]

rebecca_:

mzb: ok, thanks :)

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rebecca_:

and yes, im aussie :)

[11:00:01]

mzb:

have a look at linuxtv.org

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rebecca_:

ok

[11:00:36]

mzb:

I'm from *cough* (way) south of the border ;)) (.au)

[11:00:47]

rebecca_:

tassie>

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rebecca_:

?

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mzb:

:)

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rebecca_:

or aust antarctic territory? hehe

[11:01:13]

** mzb and his 2nd head nod **

[11:01:24]

mzb:

(to the former;)

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rebecca_:

i was down in tassie recently. spent 2.5 weeks driving around the place, doing the tourist thing

[11:02:19]

mzb:

probably missed all the good stuff :) ... but nice to see ppl going around :)

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rebecca_:

beautiful state, so much to do. we were busy having adventures the whole time

[11:02:58]

rebecca_:

and everyone was very nice and helpful :D

[11:03:04]

mzb:

there are some *really* special (hidden) places if you ever need to know

[11:04:05]

rebecca_:

oh? like what?

[11:04:42]

mzb:

eg: if you get tides right, there's a "n-shaped" lagoon (shaped by sand dunes) you can jump into (27+ degrees) and it drags you around faster than you can walk ... and dumps you under the waves at the end

[11:05:22]

mzb:

high temp + salt water = very buoyant TOO!

[11:05:36]

mzb:

um what else

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rebecca_:

hah, cool :)

[11:06:32]

mzb:

small river going over hot rocks into a large pool ... excellent for diving (aka big jump off cliff)

[11:06:53]

mzb:

both of those spots are only known by the locals for that region

[11:07:20]

mzb:

ask anyone around the state and you'll probably find they don't know about them

[11:07:45]

mzb:

(2nd one involves going through a barbed-wire fence ;))

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rebecca_:

where are they located?\

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mzb:

*secret* ;)

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rebecca_:

baawwww

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mzb:

but I'll say: Orford and Swansea (you'll still never find them;))

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mzb:

all the locals (to Swansea) know about the 2nd one, but I've only ever met 1 person who knew about the 1st

[11:10:14]

mzb:

timing the tides is critical

[11:10:44]

mzb:

ie: lunch + wine on beach ... jump into water ... lie back and enjoy the ride

[11:11:32]

mzb:

(swimming ability not required due to buoyancy ... until you get the waves ;))

[11:11:32]

laga:

and you won't drown due to the tide?

[11:11:45]

mzb:

lagoon

[11:11:50]

laga:

ah

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mzb:

not in the sea

[11:12:05]

mzb:

no rips or nasties

[11:12:27]

mzb:

clear as ... sandy and clear ... 2m deep at full?

[11:12:41]

mzb:

special place

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rebecca_:

mzb: ahhh, orford was nice, spent a couple of nights there

[11:13:02]

mzb:

resort?

[11:13:15]

rebecca_:

nope, a B&B

[11:13:20]

mzb:

nice(r)

[11:13:31]

mzb:

went to Port Arthur too?

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rebecca_:

yup

[11:13:51]

rebecca_:

and got a photo next to the Pirates Bay sign, lol

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mzb:

${WOMAN}'s uncle has a shack (Tasmanian phenomenon) down there ... we go down for Christmas

[11:14:32]

rebecca_:

cool

[11:14:37]

mzb:

(bay next to Port Arthur)

[11:14:53]

rebecca_:

well, bedtime for me, seeya mzb

[11:15:02]

mzb:

by coincidence (!;)) their family all have indigenous fishing licences

[11:15:15]

mzb:

which means crayfish breakfast lunch and tea ;)

[11:15:17]

mzb:

but anway ... how's your mythtv experience going?

[11:15:36]

mzb:

ah, ok ... gnite

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hpbox:

Hi, I've got a HaughPagh 2250, I believe it is set up correct (compiled drivers checked dmesg) however I find bad channels and the frontend crashes (in live tv mode)

[11:22:14]

hpbox:

I'm trying to use "scan" to insert the correct frequencies

[11:22:48]

hpbox:

I might be using the card wrong, looking for analog channels when there are none to be found

[11:23:49]

hpbox:

but I do find 3 hd channels, however I cannot tune to them because the frontend will crash before I can send the command

[11:24:33]

hpbox:

I updated my graphics card, and increased the timeout

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hpbox:

I think if I could just get the correct transmitter file I could have it working

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hpbox:

this file us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256

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SIM_EU:

anyone has the schematic to connect PC to TV ?

[11:27:55]

hpbox:

to build a usb like device ?

[11:28:35]

hpbox:

I think ivtv is more likely

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trumee:

i am trying to setup mythtv to talk to an stb via composite and channel chaging script. However, i was wondering how to get EPG into myth.

[11:36:29]

trumee:

i can get epg from an external source in xmltv format. but how do i link this to channels in myth since there are no channels defined (because input is via composite)

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trumee:

how can i manullay add channel numbers and link them to xmltv?

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hpbox:

trumee do you have a file,, wait let me get the name

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hpbox:

us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256

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GlemSom:

My gf has some old xmas mp3s she wants to play on our mythtv setup. Sadly the mp3tags are ansii encoded, where the rest of the collection has utf8 encoded tags... (And mythtv can only handle one type of encodings)... Does anyone know of a commandline utility to re-encode all the mp3tags to either ansii or utf8?

[11:47:15]

hpbox:

GlemSom: change the type at the database level?

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trumee:

hpbox, i feed is via composite. i know what channel no in stb corresponds to what channel name. i.e No 1 is BBC, No 2 is MTV. How can manually feed this into myth?

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GlemSom:

hpbox, I cannot see how that could work? mythtv is unable to add the files to the database – if it cannot correctly read the tags (which it cannot if the tag is encoded with something else)... And my problem is I have a collection with mixed encodings.

[11:49:12]

hpbox:

trumee: there is a database table and column for it

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antgel:

hpbox: i thought manual database-munging was frowned upon

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trumee:

hbox, so simply edit the table using phpMyAdmin?

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hpbox:

GlemSom if the database handed back utf8-bin, if you needed the script to insert the records, I would do one of each and merge them manually

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GlemSom:

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antgel:

GlemSom: can't you retag them with picard or easytag?

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hpbox:

antgel: I'm in no way associated with mythtv other than as a end-user

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GlemSom:

antgel, afaik easytag is a gui application... I haven't heard of picard though

[11:51:09]

antgel:

hpbox: well, it's frowned on from a support point of view AIUI

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hpbox:

trumee: what are you trying to do, change the name or the frequency,, or add a new one but you already know the frequency?

[11:51:48]

antgel:

GlemSom: both gui, but both operate on large collections – does it make any difference? not like you're going to script it

[11:51:49]

trumee:

hpbox, since the feed is via composite. there is no frequency, is it?

[11:52:16]

GlemSom:

hpbox, That would break compatibility with mythfrontend. Currently mythfrontend is unable to insert the data into the mysql database, NOT because of the database – but because it's unable to properply read the mp3tags

[11:52:17]

hpbox:

trumee: I have no idea

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GlemSom:

antgel, Well, I would like to script it – since she's constantly adding more mp3s to the collection

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hpbox:

I'm just throwing it out there, I myself would at least give it a shot

[11:53:38]

trumee:

hpbox, cant find this info anywhere. i wonder how people get their epg when they let myth talk to stb.

[11:54:34]

hpbox:

trumee: the correct way would be to use the mythtvsetup tool

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hpbox:

I assume you tried and are having a problem with it

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trumee:

hpbox, i cant find any way to manually add a channel number in mythsetup.

[11:57:00]

hpbox:

do either of you have a file simialr to the following? /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/us*

[11:57:05]

mzb:

SIM_EU, what do you think of your chances setting up mythtv if you can't connect your own gear/

[11:57:10]

mzb:

?

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hpbox:

trumee: there are 2 ways of doing it, I think you want option 5

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SIM_EU:

mzb i just need some help to start with

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hpbox:

I'll look up the exact steps if you'd like

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trumee:

hpbox, Option 5, doesnt let me add a channel.

[11:58:49]

trumee:

hpbox, uggh! saw it

[11:59:18]

trumee:

hpbox, it is channel box. i was expecting a button or something

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hpbox:

mythtvsetp > channel editor > channel editor > channel scan

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hpbox:

could you please tell me if you have that file?

[11:59:49]

hpbox:

I need that file

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mzb:

SIM_EU, I suggest you provide more detail about what you have and what you need

[12:00:34]

hpbox:

I've got teh new 2250 HP card, it sucks, it crashes frequently and cannot tune

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trumee:

hpbox, what file do you need?

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hpbox:

/usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/us*

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hpbox:

any file starting with us

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hpbox:

specifically us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256

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trumee:

hpbox, nothing with us here

[12:02:01]

SIM_EU:

mzb nvidia s-video out to connect to scart

[12:02:19]

mzb:

GlemSom, there are numerous (batch) utilities for changing/converting mp3tags (including GUI-based ones)

[12:02:19]

hpbox:

/usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/us

[12:02:24]

hpbox:

thanks for looking

[12:02:46]

hpbox:

yeah this really isn't the room for that

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GlemSom:

mzb, one you can recommend?

[12:02:55]

mzb:

SIM_EU, so you need an s-video to SCART adapter?

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SIM_EU:

yes

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hpbox:

this is the most dead channel in existance, so anywhere else would be better

[12:03:19]

SIM_EU:

but i want to do it myself

[12:03:34]

hpbox:

ubuntu probally

[12:03:47]

mzb:

someone mentioned easytag, which rings a bell ... try googling for "{YOUR DISTRO} mp3 tag edit"

[12:04:14]

mzb:

SIM_EU, build your own adaptor?

[12:04:34]

mzb:

google

[12:04:50]

hpbox:

the 2250 is a POS I'm going to return this back to best buy

[12:05:07]

mzb:

ie: I don't know how to build s-video to SCART

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mzb:

if not *easy* you might find it easier to do composite to SCART (iirc)

[12:07:16]

mzb:

SIM_EU, google tells me: http://www.cicoandcico.com/articles_doc/svideo-scart.php

[12:07:48]

antgel:

hpbox – what a muppet

[12:07:48]

antgel:

12:03 hpbox> this is the most dead channel in existance

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SIM_EU:

thats it mzb thank you very much

[12:09:13]

mzb:

SIM_EU, I googled "build s-video SCART"

[12:09:20]

antgel:

*snort*

[12:09:22]

mzb:

first result ;)

[12:10:27]

** mzb is concerned for his and antgel's sanity after such a scathing comment from hpbox **

[12:14:14]

mzb:

for those interested, I've got a picture in my "LCD picture frame" ... looks great

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mzb:

corrected (most of) the problems with the contrast/backlight issues I was having by removing the seller's (Windows-based) standby code

[12:16:45]

mzb:

(suspect I introduced one more flicker during debug but haven't found it yet;))

[12:18:26]

mzb:

re: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . re_frame.jpg

[12:18:39]

mzb:

(pic now inserted and year added)

[12:19:14]

mzb:

while I was there I reprogrammed the splash: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . b_splash.jpg

[12:19:37]

mzb:

(not technically correct but makes sense to the in-laws)

[12:20:28]

mzb:

suggestions (re: layout and char format) welcome ;)

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SIM_EU:

mzb theres 2 chematics there

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SIM_EU:

im not shure what to choose

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mzb:

I can't tell you ... although I (used to) have stuff with SCART I don't use it

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[12:27:27]

mzb:

... got to the stage of digital-only in the lounge now ;)

[12:27:28]

mzb:

sorry

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SIM_EU:

i'de like to go that stage

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mzb:

*google more*

[12:28:05]

SIM_EU:

but im still poor :(

[12:28:05]

mzb:

(in the meantime)

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SIM_EU:

ok

[12:28:22]

mzb:

yes, so am I ... been there, done that

[12:28:27]

mzb:

work on it

[12:28:37]

mzb:

... and I can't do that for you

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SIM_EU:

ill searh a little more

[12:28:51]

mzb:

ok, good

[12:30:53]

mzb:

native English speaker?

[12:31:32]

SIM_EU:

no

[12:31:37]

SIM_EU:

i think i got it

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SIM_EU:

gona build one tomorow

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SIM_EU:

mzb about the remote do you use lirc ?

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justinh:

I honestly dunno what the ****ing point in improving mythtv's UI is. People just want the old ****ing themes

[12:42:46]

justinh:

even the ones which look like crap

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mzb:

SIM_EU, err ... among other things, yes I use lirc (for remote control of mythtv)

[12:43:49]

mzb:

I also use X10 remotes (for music videos) and a wii-remote (operates through the telnet socket)

[12:45:03]

SIM_EU:

i've only seen lirc for controlling the computer

[12:45:29]

SIM_EU:

gona check that X10 remote

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SIM_EU:

s

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mzb:

lirc receiver I use is a USB streamzap, and (I'm working on) a lirc transmitter from an openwrt device using it's DMZ LED as a transmitter (want to port the code from 2.4 to 2.6)

[12:46:21]

SIM_EU:

doesnt the serial port receiver circuit on the website work fine ?

[12:46:29]

mzb:

the X10 remote uses a cm19a receiver ... which is a custom built module (the author has a couple of errors in his code)

[12:47:21]

SIM_EU:

does the circuit with the TSOP 1738 works fine ?

[12:47:44]

mzb:

if you didn't have anything else using the telnet socket for mythtvfrontend you could write a script to convert the output from the cm19a receiver to "mythtv telnet instructions"

[12:48:03]

mzb:

SIM_EU, link?

[12:48:24]

SIM_EU:

http://www.lirc.org/receivers.html

[12:48:32]

mzb:

meh

[12:48:40]

mzb:

specific circuit

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justinh:

SIM_EU: yes. I use one

[12:49:09]

justinh:

dead easy to make. and I'm assuming you don't cock it up with ham-fisted soldering :D

[12:49:13]

mzb:

serial port homebrews are cool ... however they take a little bit of work to build and configure

[12:49:25]

SIM_EU:

its ok

[12:49:30]

SIM_EU:

its my work

[12:49:33]

mzb:

once up and running they give excellent reception and work well

[12:49:40]

SIM_EU:

its really easy for me

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SIM_EU:

justinh what ir receiver did you use ?

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mzb:

build it into a D9 or D25 backshell and you're good to go

[12:50:25]

SIM_EU:

thats what i pretend to do

[12:50:29]

justinh:

just something we have lying round at work

[12:51:11]

SIM_EU:

ok

[12:51:32]

SIM_EU:

i think this is more simple than mzb telnet stuff

[12:51:47]

mzb:

yes

[12:52:08]

mzb:

depends what you have to control it with ;)

[12:52:22]

mzb:

an IR remote is cheap

[12:52:37]

mzb:

do you have WAF to consider? :)

[12:53:01]

SIM_EU:

whats that ?

[12:53:02]

justinh:

tbh if a remote has to have a display on it, it's too complex for this house

[12:53:11]

justinh:

wife acceptance factor

[12:53:17]

mzb:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wife_acceptance_factor

[12:53:40]

justinh:

like does it need its operator to have a PhD ?

[12:53:40]

SIM_EU:

lolol

[12:53:42]

SIM_EU:

ok

[12:53:46]

mzb:

simplest and nicest remote in this room is the wii-remote

[12:54:07]

justinh:

I hate those things

[12:54:10]

SIM_EU:

i just need it to control mythtv

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SIM_EU:

and nothing else

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mzb:

don't have a wii ... just the remote ;)

[12:54:26]

SIM_EU:

just up, down, play, stop

[12:54:35]

justinh:

wonder how much a wii uses on standby

[12:54:51]

mzb:

remote or device itself?

[12:55:03]

justinh:

the wii itself

[12:55:13]

mzb:

don't have one, no idea

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SIM_EU:

sorry my ignorance but i dont know what a wii-remote is

[12:56:10]

mzb:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Remote

[12:56:22]

justinh:

wah?

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justinh:

which planet have you been on? ;-)

[12:56:40]

mzb:

bluetooth remote with some special abilities

[12:57:06]

mzb:

(I don't use the IR camera stuff0

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SIM_EU:

HAA

[12:57:16]

mzb:

(I don't use the IR camera stuff)

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SIM_EU:

ok

[12:58:15]

justinh:

jesus! 15W in one of the standby modes

[12:58:27]

justinh:

that's got to go

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SIM_EU:

wow

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mzb:

but imagine "twist right + buttonA" to fast forward (at a rate determined by how much you twist)

[12:59:26]

mzb:

(3x-180x)

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mzb:

[fast machine needed to make it really usable]

[13:00:47]

mzb:

*just* enough buttons for normal use ... very high WAF and MoWAF

[13:01:36]

mzb:

need *real* remote (IR?) for other stuff (which can probably be done from the keyboard of another frontend;))

[13:02:47]

mzb:

MoWAF = Mother-of-Wife .... (not sure if that's term yet;))

[13:02:59]

mzb:

(but it should be if it isn't0

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mzb:

*bloody right shift key*!!!

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mzb:

SIM_EU, that being said, homebrew IR *is* cheap, has high sensitivity and (depending on your version of lirc) can learn any remote (IR frequency dependent)

[13:07:59]

mzb:

also easy to fit a transmitter (as well) in the same backshell (if D25)

[13:08:14]

mzb:

(which comes in handy)

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SIM_EU:

yes

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SIM_EU:

but at least for mythtv i dont need a transmitter

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mzb:

only real issue is length of serial cable ... iirc I've gone to 3–4m without problems

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SIM_EU:

i think 1 meter for me is enought

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mzb:

for 50cents in same backshell it almost makes sense ;0

[13:11:53]

mzb:

(for transmitter)

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mzb:

*but* need transistor-switched version ... plain version on lirc website is poor|bad

[13:13:55]

SIM_EU:

justinh said is using it

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SIM_EU:

with no problems

[13:14:11]

SIM_EU:

but you are right

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mzb:

transmit or receive?

[13:14:37]

SIM_EU:

receive

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SIM_EU:

this one http://www.lirc.org/receivers.html

[13:15:09]

SIM_EU:

maybe just one transistor on the data leg is enouth

[13:15:16]

mzb:

_transmit_ needs transistor-switched design

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SIM_EU:

ok

[13:16:07]

SIM_EU:

duno about that

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SIM_EU:

its there

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mzb:

you won't get enough power&range from the "poor-man's-version" ... aka: right out of the port

[13:18:13]

mzb:

(depending on your use)

[13:18:29]

mzb:

but as you say ... you only need receive

[13:20:42]

mzb:

(transistor-transmit also allows for >1 LED transmitter)

[13:22:03]

mzb:

ie: "FLOODS" normal-sized lounge with signal

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mzb:

which tends to compensate for "moving bodies" ;)

[13:24:53]

mzb:

for TCO I still recommend the StreamZap receiver, however

[13:25:08]

mzb:

(get it cheap on eBay)

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mzb:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_cost_of_ownership

[13:25:50]

mzb:

;)

[13:26:58]

mzb:

hint: not often listed as "streamzap receiver"

[13:28:27]

mzb:

probably comes down to what your time is worth ... both now (initial setup), and in the future (maintenance)

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Dibblah:

For me, the MCEUSB is really nice.

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GlemSom:

I've noticed since mythtv 0.22. The OSD now uses the same resolution as the video being displayed...This looks a bit ugly on SD channels... So, is there a way to get the old one back? (where the OSD was drawn using the screen resolution)

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Artus36:

good day all

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Artus36:

I have a strange error

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Artus36:

I cannot delete channels after channelscan on 0.22

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Artus36:

I dont see an error either :(

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Artus36:

also I have the problem that I cannot use live tv but I can record

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Kunalagon:

I cant use live tv

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GlemSom:

I've noticed since mythtv 0.22. The OSD now uses the same resolution as the video being displayed...This looks a bit ugly on SD channels... So, is there a way to get the old one back? (where the OSD was drawn using the screen resolution)

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Brad-D:

artus: did you try getting more verbose messages from mythfrontend? mythfrontend -v all it might give you more insight into what the problem is

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Brad-D:

kunalagon: do you get any errors?

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SIM_EU:

can i use the remote from my video capturing card to control mythtv

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Brad-D:

glemsom: this is a complete shot in the dark, but have you changed your "Paint engine" to opengl instead of qt?

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Brad-D:

sim_eu: you should be able to, what capture card do you have?

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justinh:

Brad-D: that won't affect the OSD rendering. However the OSD rendering settings do

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GlemSom:

Brad-D, Yes, I have

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Kunalagon:

Brad-D I have this errors: http://nopaste.ns-linux.org/?OGRiNz

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justinh:

aaaaaaaaaand livetv IS a recording, FYI

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Brad-D:

justinh: ah.. i guess it really was a shot in the dark :) this is what happens when people who don't know what they are doing, try to help. lol

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justinh:

anyway, the osd rendering has *always* been at the video resolution IME

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justinh:

unless you used the opengl video renderer

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Brad-D:

kuna: do recordings work for you?

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justinh:

Artus36: for channel deletions to work you'd have to select the video source to delete channels from

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SIM_EU:

Brad – D i dont have any capturing card yet, thats why i'm asking to see if i have to build an IR receiver or not

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justinh:

SIM_EU: obviously if your tuner comes with a remote you could conceivably use that

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SIM_EU:

then problem solved

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SIM_EU:

i dont need to be building anything

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SIM_EU:

ill just buy a tuner with remote

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Brad-D:

the other option to look into as well is the microsoft MCE remotes

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Brad-D:

they aren't too expensive, and are made extremely well

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Brad-D:

i love mine

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SIM_EU:

how does that work

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SIM_EU:

does it work on linux

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SIM_EU:

with lirc ?

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Brad-D:

yes

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Brad-D:

easy as pie

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Brad-D:

let me get you a link

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Brad-D:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote

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SIM_EU:

is that expensive ?

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Brad-D:

i don't know about in the EU. But in north america, I think you can get one for about 15–20 bucks on ebay

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Brad-D:

transmitter and remote

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SIM_EU:

ok

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araldut:

anyone know of a program which I can try to scan for a dvb-s2 channel. Doesn't seem to work in myth, so I wil try it elsewhere

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jarle:

araldut: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/LinuxTV_dvb-apps

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jarle:

araldut: however I have never used any of them myself...

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araldut:

oh thx

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klpt:

is anybody around who might be willing to help me diagnose why lirc suddenly stopped controlling mythtv? irw still registered button presses, and mythfrontend says it successful initialized lirc

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klpt:

and lirc starts controlling myth after i VNC in and do something by hand

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klpt:

which seems... odd

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skd5aner:

Hey, getting ready to run gdb to get a backtrace on a segfault, which verbose option should I run when the fe crashes instantly on the playback of a recording? just -v playback? Any others?

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clop2:

hi, i have a mythtv box in the living room (frontend+backend); i use an HDHomeRun to get the signals. I'm thinking about adding a frontend in the bedroom and buying a TV+computer for it. Any idea what class of processor/graphics card I need to support it in a frontend-only role? I have a 2.0 GHz Pentium 4 laying around if that would be fast enough, else i'll have to buy something new

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Artus36:

anybody using Fedora 12 and mythtv?

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Artus36:

sound does not work for me :(

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[R]:

its that pulse audio crap

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justinh:

heheh no love for pulseaudio here

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toma:

where in the settings do i set the video scan setting, you know where you can set the deinterlacing method.

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toma:

i cant find it

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justinh:

then you not look hard enough

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Brad-D:

artus: i use fedora 11 and mythtv.. in the immortal words of [R].. i had to remove that pulse audio crap

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Brad-D:

;)

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toma:

justinh: sure, i know that

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Brad-D:

toma: deinterlacing is in the tv playback settings

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justinh:

what? settings which define how tv playback behaves is in the tv playback settings section? WTF kind of logic is that?!

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toma:

can you act normal?

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justinh:

Brad-D: btw, amen to removing pulseaudio. I hated it even without how it messed things up for mythfrontend

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justinh:

toma: I normally AM this sarcastic. get used to it

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dustybin:

toma: there is no normal in this channel :D

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Brad-D:

justinh: yeah, i really had no idea what pulseaudio even did.. so when someone says it messes with my mythtv, it was removed in the blink of an eye. ;)

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toma:

and i still can not find it

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justinh:

toma: it's in there

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Artus36:

Brad-D: how?

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justinh:

probably under video playback profiles

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Artus36:

rpm -e ?

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dmfrey:

Hey everyone...I have an issue displaying video

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Brad-D:

artus: yum remove pulseaduio

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justinh:

toma: you choose the deinterlacing method in the video playback profile settings

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dmfrey:

I am running mythbuntu 9.10

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justinh:

dmfrey: wow. what 'issue' ?

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dmfrey:

the card is a GeForce 8400

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justinh:

dmfrey: what issue?

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justinh:

somebody get the information forceps

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dmfrey:

it is connected to 56 in Toshiba DLP at 1920x1080

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justinh:

dmfrey: WHAT ISSUE

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Artus36:

Brad-D: then you use /dev/dsp?

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dmfrey:

the myth menus display fine

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Artus36:

or alsa ?

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justinh:

dmfrey: spit it out man

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Brad-D:

toma: TV Playback Settings --> next --> next --> hit edit on the playback profiles --> next (and you will see the deinterlace stuff)

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dmfrey:

i'm getting there :)

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justinh:

dmfrey: today would be good

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dmfrey:

HD Video is letterboxed, looks like it has dropped down to 720p

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justinh:

don't tell me you're using an iPhone :P

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Brad-D:

artus36: for mythtv i use alsa.. it just sorta worked for me, so i didn't mess with it

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dmfrey:

SD aspect looks fine, but is spans the whole display with only about 2 inch pillarbox on either side

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justinh:

dmfrey: ah, so what video mode are you actually using?

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Artus36:

Brad-D I will try also

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justinh:

1920x1080?

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Artus36:

pulseaudio has gone now

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toma:

Brad-D: Aha, i see it. thanks

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dmfrey:

justinh: yes, 1920x1080

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dmfrey:

nvidia-settings sees it as that

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Brad-D:

toma: no problem. Good luck!

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dmfrey:

mythfronent log shows it as 1920x1080

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justinh:

dmfrey: and you're not doing anything silly like telling mythtv to use different video modes for different resolution video etc?

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dustybin:

justinh: do you still smoke cigs?

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dmfrey:

justinh: nope, all overscan is disabled as well as separate modes

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dmfrey:

i am running vdpau normal as the profile

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justinh:

weird then

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dmfrey:

justinh: this has only appeard since installing mythbuntu 9.10, 9.04 and previous were fine

[19:02:47]

justinh:

stranger still

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justinh:

but then that was before mythtv 0.22 right?

[19:03:14]

justinh:

plenty has changed since then

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dmfrey:

justinh: i installed nvidia 190 from the ppa, hoping it would have fixed this problem

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dmfrey:

justinh: yes

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justinh:

and without vdpau?

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dmfrey:

haven't tried that yet...one sec, i will switch it

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justinh:

I mean how does it play without vdpau?

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iamlindoro:

dmfrey, The next time you guys record a podcast, remember: the new Myth UI is *not* Qt4, it's MythUI, a homegrown UI by Myth devs ;)

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iamlindoro:

</petpeeve> ;)

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dmfrey:

justinh: same happens with profile cpu+

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dmfrey:

iamlindoro: is it not based on qt4?

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justinh:

no it's not based on qt4

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justinh:

all the widgets are home made

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iamlindoro:

^^

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dmfrey:

thanks, i will be sure to make a correction in the next show

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justinh:

it still uses qt the same way the rest of mythtv does, but qt is only putting stuff onscreen

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justinh:

i.e. when the UI gets fancy effects & stuff, that'll be mythtv wot does it not qt

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justinh:

unless qt animation classes are used. heh

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dmfrey:

gotcha, thanks

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justinh:

maybe next time run the facts past the press office ;-)

[19:10:10]

justinh:

umm. hmm.. what press office. Hahaha

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dmfrey:

will do :)

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dmfrey:

if we make a mistake like that, send me an email

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Brad-D:

dmfrey: what's your show?

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dmfrey:

justinh: i do see something in my logs

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justinh:

mythcast ?

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dmfrey:

Brad-D: http://www.mythtvcast.com

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dmfrey:

justinh: OSD Theme Dimensions W: 1280 H: 720

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justinh:

ffs thetrainline.com want £10 for me changing a booking. That's IF it can be changed.

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iamlindoro:

That's normal, dmfrey

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iamlindoro:

Because the OSD theme dimensions are 1280x720 (even when you're playing back at a higher resolution)

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dmfrey:

looks like the osd is thinking it is 1280x720 instead of the native res of 1920x1080

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Brad-D:

dmfrey: ah cool, didn't know this existed. will check it out

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justinh:

dmfrey: nah

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iamlindoro:

the OSD theme itself is 1280x720, then it gets scaled to your display resolution

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dmfrey:

ok, looked like a discrepency

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justinh:

dmfrey: you using autozoom or something?

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iamlindoro:

dmfrey, And in Utilities/Setup->Setup->Appearance, Page 3, the only thing on the apge is an unchecked checkbox?

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iamlindoro:

"Seperate video modes for gui and tv playback"

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dmfrey:

justinh: no, i have all those settings turned off

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dmfrey:

iamlindoro: yes, i have separate video modes turned off

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iamlindoro:

dmfrey, what manner of video output are you using?

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iamlindoro:

as in, what cable?

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dmfrey:

dvi->hdmi

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toma:

ok, thanks for the help guys, I will leave you to your 'normal' doings

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iamlindoro:

Some televisions do odd stuff with HDMI, I am tempted to cast the blame there, but it's tougher to troubleshoot

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iamlindoro:

do you have another television you could try the same video output on?

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dmfrey:

iamlindoro: I used this same setup with mythbuntu 9.04 and before...this has only been since 9.10

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iamlindoro:

Suspect drivers, then

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dmfrey:

iamlindoro: unfortunately, no, i don't have another HD set in the house with hdmi

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dmfrey:

iamlindoro: i was originally using the 185 driver, but i upgraded to the ubuntu nvidia ppa for 190

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dmfrey:

iamlindoro: same result

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iamlindoro:

not the particular driver revision, but the configuration thereof

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iamlindoro:

dmfrey, looked at scaling settings in nvidia-settings?

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iamlindoro:

(you would probably need to sudo that)

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iamlindoro:

probably something under GPU 0->Whatever your display is

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dmfrey:

iamlindoro: it was set to streched

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dmfrey:

iamlindoro: i set it to centered

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dmfrey:

iamlindoro: is centered correct, or would aspect ratio scaled be better?

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iamlindoro:

dmfrey, Dunno, try them :)

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dmfrey:

or should i turn off scaling altogether, since i am running at the native res?

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Guest81693:

Hi, Does anyone have any experience of using a mythtv backend in one country and a front in another?

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justinh:

Guest81693: oh the one in fantasy land where people have upload capacies measured in megabits/second ?

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[R]:

haha

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adac:

Has anyone experience with mythv and ltsp (thin clients)?

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laga:

i guess i live in fanatasy land!

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justinh:

and the one where a normal user is clued up enough to set up secure tunneling for mysql & mythtv protcol connections?

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Guest81693:

I was thinking of having it record in one country upload to the other overnoght

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justinh:

adac: no such. a frontend needs horsepower to play media

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[R]:

adac: mythbuntu loosely uses ltsp

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alan`:

can I run MythTV off of slackware? MythBuntu will not install on one of my machines

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[R]:

alan`: myth runs on linux... it doesnt matter what dist it iis

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dan4dm:

alan`: yes

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adac:

justinh, [R] Well I was just wondering if there would be any chance that a fat ltsp server could open the possibility for cheap clients

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adac:

in terms of mythtv

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[R]:

ltsp confused me

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[R]:

because it appeareed that programs ran on the server

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[R]:

adac: but i'm using mythbuntu which is sort of a hybrid ltsp... and it works just fine

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adac:

[R], Yes. mythv client and server would run on the ltsp server

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[R]:

but the frontend runs on my frontend computer

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adac:

* frontend and backend

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[R]:

adac: i dont think you can do video transfer that way

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[R]:

the frontend must run locally i think

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adac:

[R], Hmm but why?

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dmfrey:

iamlindoro: tried all those settings, still the same

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[R]:

adac: try doing X11 forwarding with a frontend across boxes and try to watch the video

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adac:

[R], So your point is that the connection would be to slow? Do I understand you right?

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[R]:

you can't do xv over that type of connection

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[R]:

so it would use x11 rendering

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[R]:

adac: you can't do video over x11 forwarding

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adac:

[R], I see

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[R]:

if you are using hardware decoding

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[R]:

the frontend doesnt really require that much power

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[R]:

if you are playing SD... the frontend doesnt really require that muych power

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adac:

[R], hardware decoding where?

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[R]:

huh?

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justinh:

if you'd be looking at transferring *uncompressed* video onto a 'thin' client.. you do the sums

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justinh:

say sdtv 720x576 24 bit colour.. 720x576x24 bits per second. wheee. starts to look decidedly unrealistic

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dmfrey:

iamlindoro: this is interesting...the osd appears to be scaled correctly to 1920x1080, only the video appears to be affected by this

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adac:

[R], Well basically I wanted to have all tv cards on the backend. Is it possible to built a cheap full hd capable frontend machine?

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[R]:

adac: thats the point of the backend...

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[R]:

adac: you can use an ion... some people like em... i lke it

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adac:

[R], Mean the problem is that I still need good cpu, nice graficard and enough memory. That justs costs a lot

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adac:

in frontend

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[R]:

well with an ion... that takes care of cpu and graphics card

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adac:

[R], can you link me to that ion?

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[R]:

the mailing list

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[R]:

they talk about it a lot

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adac:

[R], ahh its nvidia

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adac:

[R], are there any boxes available with that ion inside?

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[R]:

how many times do i have to tell you

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[R]:

that the ytalk about it on the mailnig list?

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adac:

[R], already googleing it.

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Essobi:

Got I hate these bt878s.

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Saviq:

hi guys, any idea why a HD channel play fine through VDPAU when recorded but stutter when live?

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Makere:

Saviq: just checking, you got pulseaudio?

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Makere:

in use with myth

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Saviq:

Makere: I do have pulse but it's suspended by mythfrontend on start

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Makere:

ok

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Saviq:

and I'm using passthrough for that channel

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Makere:

what graphics card you got?

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Makere:

and what vdpau profile you using?

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Wicked:

w00t. i just got the freemoted working on with mythtv...i must say it works quite good!

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Saviq:

Makere: it's a 8400GS, stutters on all profiles

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Saviq:

if recorded – plays fine on Normal

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Makere:

well dunno then

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Makere:

what logs say?

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Makere:

do you have extra audio buffering enabled?

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Saviq:

Makere: 2009-12–06 22:18:00.528 [h264_vdpau @ 0x7fcdd440b9e0]mmco: unref short failure

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Saviq:

and 2009-12–06 22:18:26.090 NVP(1): Video is 3.0836 frames behind audio (too slow),

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Saviq:

and yes, I have extra buffering enabled

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Saviq:

no 'frames behind audio' errors when playing back a recording

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Saviq:

nor the vdpau errors

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Makere:

unreferenced short failure

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Makere:

ugh

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Saviq:

but it stutters also without these errors

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Saviq:

it's enough if I play a second or two behind live and it plays fine

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Saviq:

as soon as I ffwd to 'now', stuttering starts

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gbee:

anyone else think that Top Gear is past it? I started to get that impression with the last series, the start of the current series really confirmed it for me and I've had two people tell me that they switched off half way into tonights ...

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Brad-D:

gbee: i'm afraid I haven't seen it. I'm much more into mind destroying candy like Heroes, etc.

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Brad-D:

haha

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justinh:

gbee: IMHO Top Gear isn't a patch on how it used to be. Last series was crap but this one is ridiculously dull

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justinh:

who cares if it's in aitch dee?

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DarK``:

justinh: I agree...

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DarK``:

I've been a fan of Top Gear since day 1 but this last series isnt worth watching any more

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gbee:

dull was one of the adjectives I heard earlier

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henrik__:

I've got two questions, one regarding mythweb and one mythvideo. I'll start with mythweb, when searching for a epg program in free search I get hits. The hits are sorted by date, but I would like it to also be day, ie. sun december 6:th, this was the way in .21. Now in .22 it's replaced with only date.

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henrik__:

mythvideo, when I have grabbed the available backgrounds and posters for my movies it looks really good. However after about 1 day they just disapear and even if I press "w" or asks to update meta data, it does not show again.

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DarK``:

justinh: then again, the car industry is doing very bad the last year. Lots of cars, concepts or ideas are kept in the fridge until the economy is doing better. There is simply less to talk about for Top Gear. I think thats also a reason why they are doing all this rediculous stuff...

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justinh:

DarK``: I watch it for the ridiculous stuff

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dserban:

can i have a slave backend that's dedicated to only running mythcommflag jobs?

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justinh:

I hate car bores

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[R]:

dserban: thats what mythjobqueue is for

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justinh:

the challenges are now dull, hackneyed & predictable

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dserban:

[R]: oh.. I'll go read up on it :)

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justinh:

seeing people test cars I can't possibly afford in my whole life doesn't appeal :)

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dserban:

[R]: hmm the wiki just explains what it does, not how to set a slave up with no tuners, just commflagging

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DarK``:

justinh: if you are into the none-boring stuff, you should check out the Top Gear Specials: winter olympics, race to the north pole, ...

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[R]:

dserban: nothing to set up... you just run it

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dserban:

oh? wth, that's too easy

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[R]:

sorry?

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dserban:

heh

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gbee:

hasn't everyone seen every single Top Gear thanks to constant Dave and BBC Two repeats?

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justinh:

DarK``: nothing in the last 2 series can hold a candle to the specials

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DarK``:

justinh: I agree...

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justinh:

anyway, it's been cancelled

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justinh:

from my upcoming recordings list :D

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DarK``:

haha, its still in my recording list :)

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henrik__:

anyone who got answeres to one or both of my questions?

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justinh:

there were questions?

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henrik__:

yes, how to fix these problems

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klpt:

is there some reason why it takes about a minute or two after mythfrontend starts up for it to start responding to lirc events?

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[R]:

someone else ahd that problem

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[R]:

somethign was screwy with something

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[R]:

i.e. thats not normal behavior

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klpt:

so it didn't do that earlier this morning, and I was messing with things in the mean time... maybe I can help isolate it

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klpt:

in particular, I added udev+hal automount of removable media, as well as cd/dvd monitoring

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klpt:

the other thing I did was automatically start vnc on myth user login (login was previously automatic, but with no vnc)

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[R]:

does the kyboard work?

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klpt:

when I VNC in, the keyboard works fine before the lirc events cause any response from myth

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klpt:

i have no physical keyboard plugged into the computer, though I could go try that too

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[R]:

i'd say try turning on debug

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[R]:

verbose output

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klpt:

alright, i'll see if it says anything in the log

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Brad-D:

has anyone had a case where mythvideo mistakes a tv show for a movie? any way to fix it? I tried resetting the metadata

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klpt:

iirc, that's mythfrontend -v all right?

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wagnerrp:

ugh

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wagnerrp:

kde gets some new capability that fluxbox has had since its creation

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wagnerrp:

and suddenly, this 'great new invention' is something that should get picked up by all window manager

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klpt:

wagnerrp: what's that? tabs?

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klpt:

wagnerrp: i saw that on /.

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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klpt:

i never used it on fluxbox either though :P

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klpt:

mostly because i didn't know it existed

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klpt:

and i don't use fluxbox as my day-to-day wm

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wagnerrp:

you just right-click on the title bar, and drag it into another window... instant tab

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wagnerrp:

exceedingly simple, surprisingly powerful

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klpt:

that's kindof cool. if i end up with fluxbox on my UI computer again, i'll be sure to make more use of it

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wagnerrp:

and im amazed it only recently is being picked up by one of the big projects

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klpt:

as it is, I live in windows land for computers I sit in front of

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wagnerrp:

but claiming the 'next big thing' will be a design concept from last decade...

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wagnerrp:

for all i know, its probably something that has been around since before fluxbox started using it

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klpt:

haha, i hear you

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klpt:

but most articles these days aren't well researched

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klpt:

[R]: so i'm watching the real time output of mythfrontend in -v all mode

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klpt:

and there's... quite a huge huge amount of it, but I think I can see what's going on

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klpt:

but it's trying to mount things automatically

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that not something you should try watching in real time

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wagnerrp:

just remember what you did, and go through the log later

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benklop:

wagnerrp: kde 3 had a theme that did that

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klpt:

it's trying to mount /dev/sde which doesn't exist, and then it goes to try to mount /dev/sr0 where there's no disc

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klpt:

and until it goes through all of the hard drives and fails a couple of times

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klpt:

lirc doesn't work

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klpt:

LOL – it was up for about four minutes and generated half a megabyte of log data

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klpt:

yeah, so I think I found the key point in the log

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klpt:

it's actually 30 seconds in, not a minute or two (my bad)

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klpt:

right at startup it tries to mount all of my /dev/sd? drives

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klpt:

and cycles through them and fails on all of them

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klpt:

and then tries again exactly 30 seconds later

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klpt:

when that fails and it switches over to constant monitor mode, then lirc works just fine

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klpt:

and just tested, physical keyboard works the whole time

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henrik__:

wagnerrp, you could have talken a run in to the hospital

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wagnerrp:

henrik__: eh?

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klpt:

bingo. disabling "monitor cd/dvd and other removable devices" in the general mythtv configuration fixes that behavior. to be honest, this seems like a bug.

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henrik__:

wagnerrp, what was that..

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henrik__:

wagnerrp, I did not write that

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wagnerrp:

well i didnt write it

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henrik__:

I have been watching tv the last 30 min..

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henrik__:

I can se I wrote it bu i have been afk... hmmmm...

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henrik__:

sorry wagnerrp but It freaks me out, but I did not write that..

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klpt:

is there any particular reason why mythtv consumes 5% of my CPU when it's just idling at the main menu?

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Shadow__X:

its telling you that you need a 5% better cpu

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dserban:

apart from commandir, is there a usb device available that will control up to 4 devices?

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wagnerrp:

any USB device should control up to 127 devices

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wagnerrp:

(device limit per hub)

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dserban:

wagnerrp: :P no, ir devices

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wagnerrp:

do you mean... 'is there a single USB device that has ports for four IR blasters?'

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