Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, December 1st, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

Score... I get post #1 to Dec archive of mythtv-users ( http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-December/date.html )!

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iamlindoro:

So? I'm going to post 3400 bugs tonight and get ticket #10,000

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sphery:

Maybe you'll post 3399 tickets and I'll sneak in with 1 for #10000

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superm1:

maybe i'll sneak in 2 and throw you both off

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sphery:

heh

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clever:

iamlindoro: this isnt 4chan, stop going off topic:P

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jblack:

adc2 came in.

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jblack:

sorry. wrong channel

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linxeh:

does anyone run a backend in a VM ?

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oobe:

linxeh, of course not

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sphery:

linxeh: a backend without capture cards is basically just a job queue server

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sphery:

linxeh: so run mythjobqueue

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sphery:

it's 1/10 the resource usage and is actually a supported configuration

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oobe:

thats a smart answer

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oobe:

i assumed he didnt want to install linux

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linxeh:

oobe: why "of course not" ?

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linxeh:

and who said anything about not having capture cards ?

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oobe:

he means vms dont have hardware support for capture cards

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linxeh:

vms have USB pass through

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oobe:

look i think if you really wanted to make it work you could but it wouldnt be worth the effort

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linxeh:

other than it would keep my backend completely isolated from everything else

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oobe:

it wouldnt be very stable and like sphery said it would take up heaps of resources

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oobe:

i dont see why you would need to keep your backend isolated from everything else

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sphery:

some have played around with it

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sphery:

might be able to make it work

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sphery:

but, chances are, it's more efficient not to do a VM

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sphery:

just don't break the other things on your server and you don't need to keep myth isolated

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linxeh:

why would it not be stable ?

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iamlindoro:

Because Myth is moderately difficult to maintain on actual hardware, let alone emulated hardware

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oobe:

i run mythfrontend on a seperate x session and when i pause somthing in .22 and switch back to a different desktop the video starts playing really fast this never used to happen in .21 anyone else noticed this i was going to make a ticket but i figure no one else would notice or care

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iamlindoro:

anyway, sounds like you have your mind made up already, why bother asking opinions/experience when you're just going to argue with the ones you get?

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iamlindoro:

nobody's stopping you, go forth and virtualize

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iamlindoro:

All we're telling you is that all experiences/reports to date have been poor

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oobe:

linxeh, there are heaps of reasons not to use a vm but you havent mentioned a good reason to use a vm

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Dagmar:

CUZ IT'S LEET!

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Dagmar:

It r all virtual and stuff!

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mzb:

linxeh, I used to run a BE in a (xen) vm

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mzb:

the novelty wore off

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justinh:

next up.. mythbackend in teh cloud! Oh wait...

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mzb:

multimedia (in general) is a pain in a vm ... forget the hardware (aka: passthrough) issues

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justinh:

you need the MythFlavourOfTheMonth plugin to do whatever is 'cool' at the time

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mzb:

then, you've got the added complications of timing ... even for a BE without tuners ... and it all gets too hard

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clever:

only reason i can see a backend in a vm would be for streaming the recordings it stores

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clever:

but just a plain nfs server in vm would be a ton better for that

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oobe:

not to mention mythbackend doesnt use any system resources to run but a vm would use atleast 512 ram and keep one cpu running at around 50% at all times

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clever:

oobe: i remember task manager in qemu eating 100% of the cpu just to show the cpu graph:P

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oobe:

;p;

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oobe:

lol

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clever:

at that point i gave up trying to use qemu for a windows server in linux

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oobe:

what is qemu

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Dagmar:

Oh yeah, forgot that reason for running a VM

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Dagmar:

"Because you're clever"

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wagnerrp:

linxeh: what oobe said, there are a number of reasons to not run VMs, and very few to run VMs

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oobe:

wait google told me

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wagnerrp:

and thats for all applications, not just mythtv

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Dagmar:

It's all well and good, but it's definitely a lot more trouble for little benefit

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sphery:

I don't know. Think of the dollar savings from licensing. I heard that if you put 5 virtual instances of Ubuntu on a single piece of hardware without having to buy 5 copies of Ubuntu.

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wagnerrp:

the only reason to run a VM is full hardware abstraction so you can run multiple kernels/OSs concurrently

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clever:

Dagmar: yeah, better to just skip the vm nearly all the time

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sphery:

s/without having/you don't have to/

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sphery:

er, no, the first was right

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oobe:

i used to use vm's to play online poker but now i just use wine

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oobe:

having said that i cant use poker tracker

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oobe:

but that is way off topic

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sphery:

I prefer Scotch for poker.

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clever:

oobe: the windows services i was going to run there dont work well under wine

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Dagmar:

OMG CARD COUNTERRZ!

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wagnerrp:

if you dont need to run separate operating systems, and dont need some fancy live image migration, there are any number of security containers that will do everything you need

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clever:

but under qemu its even worse

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Dagmar:

I might actually be concerned if I weren't convinced that 95% of those poker sites are crooked as hell.

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah colinux will let you run linux under windows, but has none of the security of a VM

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[R]:

i have yet to figure out how to VPN into my work from linux... so i use windows in a VM just for that

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wagnerrp:

its also not linux under windows

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[R]:

it really sucks

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wagnerrp:

its close to WINE, except that you still have to recompile everything

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clever:

wagnerrp: colinux acts like a windows driver, and will request perms to use the ram/cpu from windows, and then abuse its kernel driver status to do linux kernel tasks

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oobe:

Dagmar, no one counts cards in poker

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clever:

wagnerrp: colinux can run native linux binarys without any changes

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clever:

its just a special kernel that shares the cpu with windows and both run as ring0

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Dagmar:

oobe: And chicks never lie to get you in bed

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** mzb counts the chicks that ... **

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mzb:

nm

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oobe:

Dagmar, really your think of blackjack

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mzb:

where card counting even works on machines ;) hehe

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oobe:

ppl track other players statistics thats not the same thing

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Dagmar:

mzb: Card counting works on machines.

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mzb:

isn't that what I said?

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mzb:

I wrote blackjack analysis software 20 years ago ... local casino no longer has those machines ;P

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Dagmar:

It always works on machines.

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Dagmar:

Oooh awesome

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oobe:

yea yea but poker isnt about cards its about ppl

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Dagmar:

People can lie. Math can't.

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oobe:

but math on ppl doesnt lie

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mzb:

to "test" the system, mates&I used to go out with $5 ea ... no more

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wagnerrp:

if you understand the math, and can track the odds, youre heads above most other players out there

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mzb:

we'd play, buy cocktails, get a taxi home ... and then order a family pizza each ;))

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oobe:

wagnerrp, most ppl now days dont need to they use software that collects stats

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mzb:

cheap entertainment for uni students :))

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mzb:

iirc, the best win rate I could average was ~48%

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mzb:

which doesn't sound that good ... but with a stand rate of about 4%, you're losing less than 50% of the time!

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mzb:

the "profit" comes from the bonuses like double downs

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oobe:

wow anyone would think poker is any gambling game

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mzb:

the trick was that the (cheaper) machines only used a single deck

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rebecca:

hello peoples

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rebecca:

just after some advice about mythtv hardware. i have checked out the website/wiki but it doesn't quite answer my concerns

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sphery:

rebecca: my recommendation is don't try to skimp--it often costs you more in the long run

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sphery:

what type of system?

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sphery:

standard def? high def? digital capture? analog capture?

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wagnerrp:

rebecca: basically, we need to know what content you intend to access before we can recommend hardware needed to do so

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rebecca:

im looking for low wattage hardware for mythtv but at the same time i would like to record/play hdtv. this looked interesting bbut not sure it has the cpu grunt for encoding or the drivers for decoding: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/embedded/Pr . . . 0&tabs=1

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wagnerrp:

you want to steer clear of Via

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sphery:

what source of HDTV?

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rebecca:

terrestrial transmissions

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Dagmar:

I get mine from gypsies

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sphery:

US OTA? Cable? DVB?

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rebecca:

im located in australia and would want to use a capture card

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oobe:

rebecca, we use dvb-t in australia you want any dvb-t capture card supported by linuxtv.org

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oobe:

basically the same as U.K

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rebecca:

oobe: oh, are there any hardware capture cards for us?

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sphery:

MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 H.264?

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oobe:

mpeg2

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sphery:

makes decoding much easier

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oobe:

yea

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** mzb waves across Bass Strait **

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oobe:

rebecca, there are plenty

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rebecca:

sweet :)

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sphery:

basically for MPEG-2 HDTV you'd probably need at least a 3GHz Pentium 4, but I would recommend a nice dual-core Core 2 or Athlon X2

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oobe:

you just want to make sure that the dvb-t tuner yuo choose is (currently* supported by linux

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rebecca:

sphery: for the HD playback or encoding?

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** mzb enjoys his s939 X2 4400+ for HD **

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sphery:

HDHR now has an Australian model, right?

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sphery:

rebecca: playback--encoding is done by the broadcaster/rebroadcaster

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mzb:

rebecca: get (at least one) Dvico Dual Digital 4 tuner

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mzb:

both revisions work

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rebecca:

there arn't hardware decoders?

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oobe:

rebecca, you might find these links interesting http://www.ozmyth.com/ http://linuxtv.org

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wagnerrp:

there are hardware decoders, they are largely unnecessary

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sphery:

closest is nvidia video cards supporting VDPAU

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Dagmar:

sphery: Meh. Anyone can buy more rubber feet to put on the top of the unit so ti can be mounted australian-style

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wagnerrp:

youll be a lot more happy if you just get enough CPU to do the job

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mzb:

err... transmission is mpeg2 ... tuner card just dumps the stream to disk (in essence)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: +1

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wagnerrp:

which means any modern processor except an Atom

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rebecca:

hmmmm

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sphery:

having sufficient CPU to do HDTV MPEG-2 software decode should be a bare minimum

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mzb:

dual-cpu with nv video ... easiest and simplest

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wagnerrp:

low power systems are overrated

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wagnerrp:

get a mid range processor

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sphery:

and a nice Core 2 Duo can be /very/ low power

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wagnerrp:

get a high efficiency power supply

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wagnerrp:

and a couple large, 5400rpm hard drives

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rebecca:

so.. i was really hoping to build a fanless HD mythtv box.. this a fools errand or possible?

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mzb:

and (at least one) BIG DRIVE ;)

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Dagmar:

45W AMD... just as soon as Sony/HP stop bogarting them

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wagnerrp:

youll end up being well under 100W under full load

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rebecca:

nice

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rebecca:

ok

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wagnerrp:

if you still want to cut power consumption

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mzb:

fanless can be a bit tricky ... but *very* quiet is fairly easy ... depends on budget

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wagnerrp:

look into the options for putting the machine into standby

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sphery:

and the best way to cut power usage is power down

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wagnerrp:

or shutting down

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wagnerrp:

with a wakeup timer

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sphery:

yeah

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mzb:

(unless you mount the computer under the floor;))

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rebecca:

nah, it'll also be a fileserver so on 24/7

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Dagmar:

It's _far_ easier to just get a silent fan and some rubber grommets than to jump through the hoops youd need to run fanless

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sphery:

Dagmar: heh, yeah... I went 65W because I couldn't wait any more

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Dagmar:

sphery: I got some of the 4850e's from last eyar

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wagnerrp:

if you absolutely want a system that will be on all the time

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Dagmar:

I was HOPEING to upgrade this year, but Sony/HP are too greedy

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wagnerrp:

see if you can fine one of those high end atoms with multiple expansion slots

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rebecca:

Dagmar: it's not just about the noise. also the annoyance of moving parts and dust

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sphery:

yeah, I almost picked up 2 extra 5050e's when they went on sale just before disappearing, but I figured, "Oh, I don't need them now, so I'll wait until I need them."

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wagnerrp:

or a very low end athlon

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wagnerrp:

one of the low power dual cores

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Dagmar:

rebecca: Dust is more easily solved by buying some cheap pantyhose at the dollar store

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Dagmar:

Not joking about that, BTW.

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wagnerrp:

give it the hard drives, give it the tuners, stick it in a closet and forget about it

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wagnerrp:

your recording device does not need much power behind it

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wagnerrp:

you want your frontend to be relatively powerful

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** mzb wonders how often Dagmar goes browsing for cheap (ladies) underwear ;) **

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wagnerrp:

and that and be put in standby at will if separated from the backend

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Dagmar:

Wrap hose around a distended coat hanger like you're making a messed up ping-pong paddle, smear crazy glue along the intake side of a cheap silent fan, stick fan to hose, wait, then trim off the excess and install

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rebecca:

i don't _need_ to have a seperate frontend/backend do i?

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rebecca:

for HD?

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Dagmar:

Nope

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thread:

Hello! Does anyone have any idea why my 6546 port might not be accessible for me? I have the remote control interface enabled, and lsof tells me mythfrontend is listening on the port...

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Dagmar:

thread: You might have forgotten how to use telnet?

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thread:

when I do nc localhost 6546, it just hangs for a second, and gives me my prompt back

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rebecca:

cool bananas, you guys have been a great help :D

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thread:

for un-spoken-for ports, it tells me the connection is refused

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rebecca:

thanks for clearing me up

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thread:

so it seems to me mythfrontend is picking up its end and disconnecting?

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thread:

Dagmar: I *think* I know what I'm doing :)

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wagnerrp:

rebecca: you dont NEED to, but if youre concerned about power consumption AND want to have a always-on server, thats a good way to accomplish it

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rebecca:

wagnerrp: hmmm, i see..

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mzb:

rebecca, you also need to ensure you have *excellent* reception ... particularly for multiple tuners

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rebecca:

so mythtv works fine doing suspend/restore quickly?

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Dagmar:

If you actually did, this problem would be solved.

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pyther:

If I stopped a recording does it get deleted?

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mzb:

a good aerial and some quad-core will help

[02:30:07]

oobe:

pyther, no

[02:30:15]

pyther:

few.... ;)

[02:30:38]

pyther:

I just though I kicked my self in the ass :P

[02:31:13]

rebecca:

im in an apartment complex and our digital reception comes via a coax.. seems flawless

[02:32:09]

thread:

Anyone have any other ideas why mythfrontend wants to immediately hang up when I telnet into 6546? ... I've even tried watching mythfrontend with -v most

[02:32:33]

Dagmar:

thread: Go look at what port you told it to use. nc (and telnet) will behave like that if you've just told it to talk to the port used for uPnP status

[02:32:51]

Dagmar:

thread: In fact, if you use telnet and type something real quick, it'll become obvious that you're talking to the uPnP port

[02:33:17]

Dagmar:

...because it'll say something like "HTTPRequest::ParseRequest – Timeout waiting for request header.

[02:33:36]

thread:

Dagmar: yea, it holds the connection for a second, then drops it... even if i stab at the keyboard first

[02:33:47]

Dagmar:

Don't just stab at it. Type something, hit enter.

[02:34:41]

thread:

Dagmar: http://snipt.org/pmog

[02:35:44]

thread:

the config setting is called "Network Remote Control Port"

[02:35:50]

thread:

and it was always set to 6546

[02:36:03]

oobe:

thread, it looks like somthing else is logging in then kicking you off

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[02:36:17]

Dagmar:

Well, it works here, and the code is so simple it's probably not safe for use on a public network, man

[02:36:22]

Dagmar:

Check the _frontend_ log output

[02:36:40]

thread:

I've got it on -v most

[02:36:50]

thread:

and I don't see anything when I try to connect

[02:37:48]

Dagmar:

You might want to contact whoever made you binary then

[02:37:50]

Dagmar:

It works here.

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oobe:

this is what appears in my frontend logs NetworkControl: New connection established

[02:38:17]

Dagmar:

s/you/your/;

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thread:

i built it in gentoo, actually :)

[02:38:36]

Dagmar:

...and perhaps next time you should try netstat, since it's meant for querying the status of network ports.

[02:38:44]

Dagmar:

thread: Then you get to keep both pieces.

[02:39:13]

Dagmar:

It *should* be saying something to stdout/stderr if it's really what's getting the connection

[02:39:41]

thread:

right...

[02:39:44]

oobe:

thread try nc localhost 6546, instead of telnet localhost 6546

[02:39:53]

thread:

oobe: same result

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sphery:

thread: that's not mythfrontend network control you're talking to

[02:40:33]

oobe:

yea i think sphery is right

[02:40:50]

oobe:

try changing the port that frontend listens on

[02:40:52]

Dagmar:

sphery: That would be the default port for it

[02:41:07]

oobe:

yea but there maybe some other process using that port

[02:41:24]

Dagmar:

oobe: He claims lsof says the frontend is what's listening on that port

[02:41:29]

mzb:

two instances of mythfrontend?

[02:41:34]

oobe:

oh true

[02:41:54]

Dagmar:

This is why I went straight to assuming he's just overlooked something simple

[02:41:56]

oobe:

just try changing the port its easiest way to check

[02:42:02]

rebecca:

oh, are there any USB options for HD capture? or is that a silly idea?

[02:42:25]

Dagmar:

rebecca: The only HD capture option for many people is only USB

[02:42:29]

oobe:

rebecca, there are but the disconnect

[02:42:42]

rebecca:

ahhh, ok

[02:42:55]

thread:

wow, dudes... it's working at 6577

[02:43:03]

oobe:

told you

[02:43:04]

thread:

I can't explain why it didn't work before

[02:43:12]

oobe:

i can

[02:43:19]

Dagmar:

because you were connecting to the wrong port seems like a good explanation

[02:43:22]

oobe:

cause you have some other process blocking that port

[02:43:39]

mzb:

rebecca, you can get cheap USB tuners at dealextreme and dealsdirect ... but seriously, PCI card is a better/neater option

[02:43:41]

thread:

and in fact, I tried changing the port before, but it didn't work (I might not have restarted the frontend, though)

[02:44:01]

thread:

BIG THANKS to Dagmar, oobe, and sphery :)

[02:44:02]

Dagmar:

I blame Gentoo.

[02:44:04]

Dagmar:

hehe

[02:44:14]

mzb:

eg: some of the cheap(er) USB tuners overheat ... designed for occasional use ... not the pounding that a mythtv system *can* give it

[02:44:19]

thread:

<-- not enough info :)

[02:44:48]

mzb:

$ cat /dev/urandom | thread

[02:45:07]

mzb:

;)

[02:45:09]

Dagmar:

That's not info, that's noise

[02:45:12]

thread:

i could do without thx

[02:45:30]

mzb:

$ cat /dev/urandominfo | thread

[02:45:37]

Dagmar:

pfft

[02:45:52]

mzb:

heh

[02:46:14]

mzb:

ah well ... perhaps my blood/caffeine ratio is all wrong

[02:46:25]

** mzb goes off to address the issue **

[02:46:28]

Dagmar:

That's a hard balance to maintain

[02:46:33]

Dagmar:

I keep winding up with blood in it

[02:46:43]

mzb:

need an IV ;)

[02:47:07]

sphery:

thread: what version of Myth?

[02:47:19]

thread:

http://snipt.org/pmog

[02:47:21]

thread:

agg

[02:47:24]

thread:

Library API : 0.21.20080304–1

[02:47:26]

sphery:

if 0.21-fixes, there are a lot of ways that the port/network control can get hung up

[02:47:35]

sphery:

branch/revision

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thread:

where do i find that? branch has nothing after the colon in my mythfrontend --version

[02:48:16]

sphery:

0.21-fixes requires that you exit properly after use and only allows a single user

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sphery:

you're 0.21 something--meaning that you're not current Myth

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thread:

oic

[02:48:46]

sphery:

so it's the buggier version

[02:48:56]

sphery:

your build wasn't build with --version support

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thread:

cool well I'll have a good reason to upgrade then :)

[02:49:03]

sphery:

(someone needs to fix the gentoo ebuild... :)

[02:49:36]

oobe:

sphery, .22 only allows a single user too

[02:49:38]

mzb:

/whois someone

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oobe:

the multi user feature came in just after feature freeze

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sphery:

So, 6546 was the right port, but it was in use when you started--probably due to improper closing

[02:50:29]

sphery:

oobe: yeah, didn't remember when--but I knew that 0.21-fixes was single user only :)

[02:51:03]

thread:

sphery: ahh... from a previous mythfrontend instance, you mean?

[02:51:07]

sphery:

yeah

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oobe:

i do cause i really wanted that feature but prefer to stay with .22 fixes

[02:51:21]

sphery:

might hang up when mythfrontend crashes

[02:51:34]

sphery:

or is killed

[02:52:49]

sphery:

can always reboot to reset :)

[02:53:31]

thread:

haha indeed

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thread:

at any rate, thanks again for the tips, sphery

[02:54:01]

sphery:

if nothing else, 0.22-fixes network control should be more stable/forgiving

[02:54:19]

thread:

i'll try it soon :)

[02:54:29]

sphery:

good luck

[02:55:01]

Dagmar:

w00... Almost forgot to download the free Windows 7

[02:56:13]

oobe:

i would forget too

[02:56:35]

Brad-D:

free windows 7?

[02:56:50]

Dagmar:

Well, this avoids me having to buy extra copies in order to run the things in a VM that I can willfully savage with whatever malware I come across just to see what happens

[02:57:20]

Brad-D:

ahh

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Dagmar:

Brad-D: Yeah, on most college campuses they had an "installfest" for W7's release, adn they ran out of copies at a lto of places. Those places they gave everyone temporary MSDNAA access

[02:57:39]

Dagmar:

...which ends Dec 1st

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[02:58:02]

Dagmar:

I already have ultimate (didn't have a choice really) but I won't turn away both a 32-bit and 64-bit version of Pro for free

[02:58:07]

sphery:

hope htat's not Dec 1st GMT

[02:58:20]

Dagmar:

How could it be

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Dagmar:

Everyone knows Microsoft doesn't know what UTC is for

[02:58:44]

sphery:

hah, true

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oobe:

lol http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux . . . null-151967/

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Brad-D:

does anyone know who is heading up mythmusic in .23?

[03:00:37]

Dagmar:

...probably Out Lord Satan.

[03:00:44]

Dagmar:

s/Out/Our/;

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oobe:

Brad-D, didnt you hear .23 is already out

[03:01:01]

** Dagmar stabs oobe **

[03:01:07]

oobe:

lol

[03:01:35]

Brad-D:

oh ya? hahaha nice luck on my part ;)

[03:02:04]

Brad-D:

just thought i might try to offer some help on it (however small that may be)

[03:02:39]

oobe:

please dont take anything i say seriously

[03:03:07]

sphery:

originally there were big plans for MythMusic for 0.23, but the guy who had those plans is a bit burned out from carrying the 0.22 release, so he'll probably take a bit of an "easy dev cycle" break and work on MythMusic hard for 0.24

[03:03:20]

sphery:

Brad-D: he /won't/ be upset if you just do all the work for him, though

[03:03:53]

sphery:

if you're serious about some real work on MythMusic, I can give you the name of the guy to talk to

[03:04:31]

Brad-D:

sphery: i'm definitely interested. just worried that i'm not up to the task of carrying the whole load, still learning the mythui and myth structure

[03:04:46]

Brad-D:

on the upside, if the dev waits until .24, it would give me some time to ramp up, so i can be useful

[03:06:18]

sphery:

Brad-D: well, if you know mythui (at all) you know the dev--gbee. He said, "if anyone is interested in helping with mythmusic, then it breaks down into two major tasks – the UI design and the new playlist code – the latter is required because the existing plugin made no effort to separate the UI from the data and I don't really see it being a simple task to surgically remove one from the other"

[03:06:48]

Brad-D:

ahhh gbee, yes he has helped me on 3–4 code occasions :)

[03:07:16]

sphery:

yeah, and he did far more than his share of work on 0.22, so he deserves a break today, so get up, get out, and spend the day...

[03:07:34]

Brad-D:

thanks sphery, i will chat with him and see if i can be useful at all

[03:08:47]

sphery:

Cool. If you're serious about getting it done--and something of a self-starter--I'm sure he'll very much appreciate the help. He has an overall plan for how it should go, but I don't think he'd be up for too much hand-holding. Best approach is to write code without fear of throwing it away.

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sphery:

(and just remember that all code you write is something learned--so throwing it away isn't a waste)

[03:09:40]

Brad-D:

excellent! I think i'm a self starter, i've been playing around with my own plugin MythXM, until stupid syrius stuck a fork in it with their TOS

[03:09:55]

Brad-D:

and i throw away tons of code (but i prefer to think of it as refactoring, hehe)

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sphery:

ah, yeah, ToS troubles. The new WWW.

[03:10:40]

Dagmar:

I would like to see the people who drafted the last ID3 spec pilloried and flogged until they get some sense.

[03:10:49]

Brad-D:

indeed

[03:11:29]

Dagmar:

If for no other reason than they failed to get the clue that must music can NOT be categoried one-dimensionally unless you're a freaking sales tool

[03:12:02]

Dagmar:

I've been giving this tagging thing some thinking over, adn basically the show-stopper is that everyone will have to retag their crap with a buncha non-standard tags

[03:12:22]

Dagmar:

...and frankly, I'd rather scrape my genitals off with a garden rake than to listen to the people complaining about that.

[03:13:08]

Dagmar:

Knowing that 95% of the people making such complaints would be doing so about stolen mp3's doesn't really do much to whet my appetite for it anyway

[03:13:29]

Brad-D:

i think i might prefer the complaining, the genitals garden rake sounds unpleasant ;)

[03:13:58]

Dagmar:

That and there's two other show stoppers...

[03:14:05]

Dagmar:

1. Qt lacks a nodal relationship widget

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Dagmar:

2. Trying to navigate such a widget with a remote would still be laughable

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sphery:

but since we're not using Qt widgets, anymore, you could make your own widget :)

[03:14:52]

Dagmar:

You hae a point

[03:14:56]

Dagmar:

Can I use librsvg?

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Dagmar:

Is that allowed?

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sphery:

(Though I have no idea how to make a good music interface that works well with remote as well as keyboard/mouse)

[03:15:31]

Dagmar:

Yeah like the best I can think of would be to number neighbor nodes 0–9 or something

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sphery:

I hope we don't have to go with those kinds of hacks, like we did with the pre-mythui stuff

[03:16:33]

sphery:

of course, I fully admit that I'm not helping to find a solution here--I'm definitely not a UI guy

[03:16:53]

Dagmar:

It does seem like it would be easier to just make a web interface for controlling MythMusic tho

[03:17:07]

Dagmar:

I can't think of any way to make selecting tracks among thousands not a massive pain in the ass

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sphery:

yeah, the MythWeb interface to MythMusic basically did that

[03:17:31]

sphery:

and takes a whole different approach to playlist management than the MythMusic UI does

[03:18:21]

sphery:

when MythMusic is integrated into mythfrontend (versus being a separate plugin), it will be easier to do that type of thing and allow mythweb and mythfrontend and other clients to reuse the same code

[03:18:54]

rebecca:

what seems to be the most popular control method (other than mouse and kbd) for the frontend? wiimote sounds funky but im new to things so no idea how practical it really is

[03:19:12]

sphery:

a huge number of people go with the MCE remotes

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sphery:

easy to connect, good LIRC support, sufficient buttons

[03:19:48]

sphery:

(and you don't whack the guy sitting next to you on the couch when you try to change the volume)

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rebecca:

hmmmm

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rebecca:

ok

[03:20:59]

sphery:

I'll admit to being very anti-WiiMote/gesture-based remotes, so you may want to ask the other side to ensure equal time :)

[03:21:17]

rebecca:

what about the java on a PDA type remotes?

[03:21:36]

iamlindoro:

not much fun to have to look down at your remote to figure out what to do

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sphery:

I like a remote that can be used without looking

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Dagmar:

I dont' want to hear a *thing* from all the entitled jerks who will refuse to so much as read a line of documentation about making their Wiimote work

[03:21:50]

iamlindoro:

the MCE remote rocks, is well supported, and is controllable by feel alone

[03:22:03]

rebecca:

okay, cool

[03:22:11]

rebecca:

sorry for the noob questions

[03:23:15]

Dagmar:

I use the older version of this without the little buttons along the top edge http://www.logicsupply.com/products/k3ntu

[03:23:26]

Dagmar:

It also has a playstation-style stick instead of trackball

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sphery:

no apologies necessary--if there were a need for apologies, we'd make sure you knew it :)

[03:23:53]

rebecca:

till now i just used an old lappy running ubuntu for my 'media centre' which consisted of it playing downloaded stuff on my server over wifi/sshfs automount. decided it was time to get serious. :)

[03:23:54]

Dagmar:

I've also got an all4one remote but the keyboard is more useful for me since I tend to only sit in front of the actual frontend about twice a month

[03:24:06]

Dagmar:

...so I generally have to start the new build of the frontend each time. ;)

[03:24:32]

** rebecca nods **

[03:24:33]

sphery:

it's actually refreshing to see someone who's planning their purchase/system-design rather than complaining that their 1996 Pentium 100/MMX isn't working well for HDTV playback

[03:24:45]

rebecca:

hehe

[03:24:56]

Dagmar:

sphery++

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mangus580:

wagnerrp: you around?

[03:25:31]

Dagmar:

Ah here we go, but mine's black http://www.ione.com.tw/2005/products/media/htm/sc-p20.htm

[03:25:41]

Dagmar:

RF keyboard interfaces are goooood

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rebecca:

well, it'll be a reasonable investment and should last a long time.. so i would like to get it right first go and avoid expensive mistakes

[03:26:07]

Dagmar:

It does however, bend wireless over a barrel and have it's way with it unless you change your base freq

[03:26:18]

rebecca:

are there any well supported RF remotes?

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Dagmar:

Considering almost no one makes them at all?

[03:26:40]

sphery:

I have an ATI Remote Wonder, which works, but it leaves something to be desired in terms of reliability.

[03:26:48]

rebecca:

ahhh, ok

[03:26:53]

Brad-D:

if i was trying to run mplayer through a call to myth_system(), what would be the best way to capture the status of mplayer? Pipe it's output to a file, and read the file?

[03:27:16]

sphery:

The more people (a.k.a. antennas) you have in the room, the more the signal suffers

[03:27:35]

Dagmar:

Brad-D: I'd just pillage gmplayer and find out what it's doing

[03:27:48]

sphery:

I've been searching for the ideal RF remote since I started with Myth in Feb 2004. Haven't found it, yet.

[03:27:55]

rebecca:

i guess i could make one with a couple of arduinos + rf modules.. heh. but probably better that i don't fork this project into unmanagable multiples

[03:27:55]

Dagmar:

sphery: People are antennas?

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Brad-D:

dagmar: thanks i will look at that

[03:28:08]

sphery:

they sure soak up the signal from my remote a lot

[03:28:18]

Dagmar:

Ah

[03:29:05]

Dagmar:

Oh, for those of you who were all excited baout The Secret Of Monkey Island being redone, it's on sale for less than three bucks through Steam righ tnow

[03:29:08]

sphery:

haven't yet figured out whether I need to decrease their iron content or water content or what to make them have less effect on my viewing

[03:30:14]

rebecca:

sphery: wrap them in RF reflective fabric.. at least then they don't absorb the signals, they just scatter them a bit ;)

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Dagmar:

...because signal ghosting is what all the cool kids are into

[03:31:13]

rebecca:

haha

[03:31:13]

sphery:

Oh, so maybe an outfit to match my tin-foil hat...

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[03:34:26]

wagnerrp:

mangus580: what do you need?

[03:36:07]

mangus580:

wagnerrp: just wanted to tell you, I got the new vid card in

[03:36:16]

mangus580:

direct s-video looks MUCH better :-)

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rebecca:

so, a while back i was collecting components for a low power server. never got around to building it.. so i have a Sempron LE-1100 i could use in a myth backend.. does that have enough power to function as a HD recording backend?

[03:42:26]

Dagmar:

You are still missing the point, rebecca.

[03:42:32]

Dagmar:

CPU power isn't used to record HD.

[03:42:41]

rebecca:

oh, i get that

[03:42:44]

Dagmar:

They don't make CPUs that powerful that dont' cost a bloody mint.

[03:43:22]

Dagmar:

If it can do a full-speed USB 2.0 transfer, then it's got enough oomph to catch what a USB HD encoder/tuner is throwing at it

[03:43:35]

rebecca:

okay.

[03:44:15]

Dagmar:

commflagging on that would probably be more readily measured in geologic times tho

[03:44:32]

rebecca:

for the record i do 'get' that the backend is mainly just recording a stream to disk.. but i have never actually played with it.. i didn't know if some functions like skipping ads or something needed a certain spec CPU.

[03:44:52]

Dagmar:

Skipping doesn't. Finding happens as fast as you can throw CPU power at it

[03:45:02]

Dagmar:

Finding seldom happens in realtime without a lot of CPU

[03:45:21]

Dagmar:

...and even that only happens when you're watching things a bit lagged

[03:45:47]

Dagmar:

...for um, slightly obvious reasons. :)

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rebecca:

what is 'finding'?

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rebecca:

automatic end-of-ads detection?

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Dagmar:

Finding just the ends isn't going to be very useful

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rebecca:

true

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Dagmar:

The commflagger crawls all over a recording marking which parts it think are commercial and which parts it thinks are show

[03:49:50]

rebecca:

ahhhhh

[03:49:54]

sphery:

I use an Athlon XP 2400+ and 2000+ for my 2 backends--each having 2 US ATSC (OTA) digital capture cards and doing almost completely HDTV recordings. They can't play back the recordings in real time, but do commflagging in 2:1 or less time.

[03:50:01]

sphery:

the LE-1100 would be faster than both of them, likely

[03:50:19]

sphery:

(much newer arch and the 2400+ is only a 2GHz, anyway)

[03:50:35]

Dagmar:

I doub tit

[03:50:42]

Dagmar:

1.9Ghz core

[03:50:46]

rebecca:

sweet. okay, thanks for the comparison sphery

[03:50:55]

Dagmar:

.. .and 256k cache. It's literally the celeron of the line

[03:51:03]

rebecca:

yeah

[03:51:20]

Dagmar:

I woudln't count on it being able to do anything especially math-intensive faster than other chips with a higher clock speed

[03:51:41]

Dagmar:

They're nice 45w models tho. ;)

[03:52:31]

rebecca:

cool, well, a mobo for that old cpu should be cheap. i think seperate specialised back/front end will be cheaper than me trying to build a low power stand alone myth setup

[03:52:59]

rebecca:

and more energy efficient, yay :)

[03:54:29]

Dagmar:

Well, a motherboard for that will still be relatively common thankfully.

[03:54:34]

Dagmar:

It's AM2, right?

[03:54:39]

rebecca:

yup

[03:55:01]

rebecca:

my partner is very 'green conscious' so i get in trouble for using too much power, lol

[03:56:10]

rebecca:

front/backend works out okay, because i need a new fileserver anyway. should be able to combine them

[03:56:37]

sphery:

alright, my XP 2400+ gives a bogomips of 4001.29 and my 2000+ gives 3334.52 and http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/index.php?topic=312907.msg2358595 shows 3620.29 for a Sempron LE-1100 . So, it's basically the same.

[03:56:43]

sphery:

(granted, that's bogo, but...)

[03:56:53]

** rebecca nods **

[03:56:53]

Dagmar:

Yep. Bogo.

[03:57:05]

Dagmar:

Definitely not meant as an indicator of actual performance.

[03:57:10]

sphery:

I'll also admit that my 2000+ is generally about 10–15fps faster than my 2400+ at commflagging

[03:57:14]

sphery:

(don't know why for sure)

[03:57:44]

Dagmar:

Could be a lot of things, least of which cache size

[03:57:45]

sphery:

still, it's about the same, so it wouldn't be too bad. Especially if you record and watch stuff later.

[03:58:06]

sphery:

and the 2400+ is the mbe and mysql server, so that may affect it, too

[03:58:47]

sphery:

plenty of possiblities, but it's all close enough that it's not that important.

[03:58:58]

sphery:

both procs have 256KB cache

[03:59:24]

sphery:

anyway, the LE-1100 would be fine for a dedicated backend--even for HDTV

[03:59:25]

rebecca:

cool

[03:59:43]

sphery:

just don't transcode a bunch (which is a waste of power, anyway--especially with 2TB HDD selling for $139.99 US)

[04:00:19]

sphery:

and the 45W CPU makes me jealous (since I couldn't find one when I got my new CPU, so I'm stuck with a 65W)

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rebecca:

out of curiosity, approx how much space does 1hr of HD video consume?

[04:02:35]

Dagmar:

~4–5Gb?

[04:02:47]

sphery:

for MPEG-2, it's in the 4–8GB range for me.

[04:03:02]

sphery:

generally averaging around 5 or at most 6

[04:03:24]

rebecca:

oh, ok. that's not too bad.

[04:03:28]

sphery:

2TB HDD would give you several hundred hours of recordings

[04:03:45]

rebecca:

i think ill need at least 4tb then

[04:03:51]

rebecca:

TB*

[04:03:57]

sphery:

I wouldn't do an HDTV Myth box with less than 1TB.

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_abbenormal-:

lol

[04:04:05]

sphery:

I currently have 6.5 and on Wed will have 8.5 :)

[04:04:15]

** iamlindoro snickers **

[04:04:18]

iamlindoro:

;)

[04:04:19]

Dagmar:

I dunno about 4, but I'd start with the largest _single_ unit you can get your hands on

[04:04:40]

rebecca:

my fileserver is 1.2TB and full... once a time it was massive.. now not so much.. heh

[04:04:43]

sphery:

iamlindoro: of course, that's with a new Seagate 2TB--which I ordered last week, before this week's sale on the 2TB WD Green

[04:04:47]

_abbenormal-:

hi iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

hi _abbenormal-

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Dagmar:

You'll know really quick if you need to run out and grab a second one, or just wait until thsi one's close to full

[04:05:27]

_abbenormal-:

add them as you need then buy on sale

[04:05:35]

Dagmar:

Pretty much

[04:05:40]

sphery:

yeah, sales are good

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Dagmar:

HD prices go up and down a bit but generally trend downwards pretty rapidly

[04:06:17]

Dagmar:

You can easily lop 30–40% off the cost of the new drive just by stalking websites for a month waiting for a sale

[04:06:24]

sphery:

speaking of which, for our US listeners: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136344 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148413 (2TB HDD's for $139.99 shipped)

[04:06:30]

mangus580:

anyone in here use mythexport?

[04:06:35]

rebecca:

yeah.. trouble is though.. making my backend also my fileserver means i also need redundency. so off the bat ill be getting multiple drives. that requires some planning

[04:06:43]

Dagmar:

Ah

[04:06:57]

Dagmar:

Okay, so then you'd want two of the biggest

[04:06:59]

tgm4883:

I've heard bad things about the green drives

[04:07:08]

sphery:

IMHO, you should do a non-RAID filesystem for Myth recordings

[04:07:12]

Dagmar:

Buying less than that will put you in the spot i'm in right now.

[04:07:13]

tgm4883:

mangus580, whats the question?

[04:07:13]

sphery:

use RAID for the fileserver stuff

[04:07:35]

Dagmar:

1 1.5Tb drive, 3 250Gb drives, 2 500Gb drives.

[04:07:37]

sphery:

TV isn't worth the cost of RAID (it's just TV)

[04:07:57]

mangus580:

tgm4883: I only use mythbuntu for my frontend... my backend resides on a fedora machine.... will mythexport still work when setup via the mythbuntu frontend?

[04:08:04]

rebecca:

sphery: that's what im thinking.. a single drive for normal mythtv recordings.. and the array for fileserver/stuff i wanna keep permanently

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sphery:

also allows you to make a much smaller RAID array (as chances are your Myth backend will consume /much/ more storage space than your other files)

[04:08:27]

sphery:

that works.

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sphery:

Though I love the "at least as many filesystems as capture cards" approach for Myth.

[04:08:58]

rebecca:

sphery: umm, wouldn't be sure of that.. i can easily download 150GB/mo hehe

[04:09:03]

sphery:

then each filesystem is only writing one recording at a time

[04:09:25]

sphery:

that's a lot of FOSS source code to download

[04:09:46]

rebecca:

heh

[04:09:46]

sphery:

(as we don't want any talk of downloading copyrighted material in here, I'm assuming that's what you're talking about)

[04:10:05]

rhpot1991:

mangus580: in theory that could work, if you lay out the config.xml that is used to point at the propper backend

[04:10:06]

rebecca:

nooooo, just misc bits :)

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tgm4883:

mangus580, hmm. Let me ping the dev on that

[04:11:02]

rebecca:

anyway, sorry, ill keep myself on topic

[04:11:14]

mangus580:

tgm4883: thanks... I love the concept of mythexport... its exactly what i need...

[04:11:26]

mangus580:

I wonder if I just need to setup the frontend only machine as a 'slave backend' to handle it?

[04:12:46]

rhpot1991:

mangus580: its really built to just run on the backend which recorded the recording, but its not limited to that, with some careful work with nfs shares it should work just fine

[04:13:26]

mangus580:

hmmm is it possible to install it on a fedora setup?

[04:13:50]

rebecca:

what kind of bandwidth will be consumed by a back/frontend system while watching recorded HD video?

[04:13:59]

rhpot1991:

mangus580: the source is available, I'm not sure how hard it is to port debian packages to fedora

[04:14:20]

[R]:

rebecca: depends on the bitrate

[04:14:39]

rebecca:

[R]: ok

[04:14:42]

sphery:

at least in the US max bitrate is around 19Mbps, but few go that high

[04:14:50]

sphery:

note that's bits, not bytes

[04:15:23]

sphery:

technically cable systems could use twice that, but, IME, they tend to use less than the OTA equivalent channels

[04:15:42]

rebecca:

interesting. less than i thought.. cool

[04:15:46]

sphery:

don't know about bitrate in Australia

[04:15:56]

rebecca:

but a bit much for my old wifi router hehe

[04:16:06]

sphery:

Yeah, wired is best for HDTV

[04:16:20]

rebecca:

yup

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mangus580:

rhpot1991: where might I find the source code?

[04:19:32]

rhpot1991:

mangus580: https://code.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythexport/karmic

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mangus580:

hmm

[04:29:39]

Brad-D:

does anyone know of a simple example of when threads are used in a mythplugin?

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mangus580:

rhpot1991: what are the chances that if I download the source files, and place them on the fedora machine in the proper directory structure... it will work?

[04:37:27]

rhpot1991:

mangus580: pretty good as long as all the pre-requisites are met

[04:37:44]

rhpot1991:

mainly ffmpeg and the mythtv perl bindings

[04:38:11]

mangus580:

how is the web interface hosted?

[04:38:22]

mangus580:

is it part of mythweb?

[04:38:25]

rhpot1991:

apache

[04:38:35]

rhpot1991:

its separate

[04:38:43]

mangus580:

are they the files in /usr/share/mythtv/mythexport ?

[04:41:24]

rhpot1991:

yes, thats where all the web files are

[04:41:57]

mangus580:

mythexport.sql is obvious... sets up the database for mythexport use

[04:42:05]

mangus580:

what is the mythimport.xslt file?

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Dagmar:

It's an xslt file.

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Dagmar:

Read it.

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rhpot1991:

mangus580: its used for the lightweight mythimport config

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mangus580:

Dagmar: thanks pal :-)

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Dagmar:

You like the parallelism there? :)

[04:47:39]

terinjokes:

hey guys... i just need to record something coming in my tuner's S-Video input this one time... is this something MythTV can do (or is there something better?)

[04:47:57]

Dagmar:

Yes, but you dont' need it for that

[04:48:17]

Dagmar:

MythTV is overkill for that

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mangus580:

rhpot1991: are the mythexport.1 and mythimport.1 files of any importance?

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clever:

mangus580: the .1 files are usualy man pages which contain manuals

[04:48:57]

Dagmar:

terinjokes: If you have an ivtv card you can pretty much record with a shell script and ivtv-tune

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mangus580:

clever: thanks

[04:49:06]

Dagmar:

er v4l2ctl or whatever it is

[04:49:12]

clever:

mangus580: they generaly arent needed for things to work, but you may want to read them yourself at a later time

[04:49:27]

mangus580:

I looked at them... there is hardly anything in them

[04:49:40]

mangus580:

formatting was just a little odd for me, so I was wondering

[04:49:55]

clever:

just run the man program on it, man ./mythexport.1

[04:50:20]

mangus580:

well... dont chastise me, but I am reviewing the files in winbloze at the moment

[04:50:21]

mangus580:

LOL

[04:50:28]

clever:

ah

[04:51:07]

terinjokes:

Dagmar: Conexant 2388x Video Capture

[04:51:35]

Dagmar:

OKay so you would REALLY be lovingly shoving your face into a cheese grater with that then

[04:51:56]

mangus580:

Dagmar: its a good thing I wasnt drinking anything when I read that!!

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mangus580:

otherwise I would be cleaning my monitors off

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Dagmar:

Framegrabber cards are a big enough pain in the ass to use without becoming entangled in the complexities of PVR software.

[04:53:23]

[R]:

my first card was a bttv

[04:53:25]

[R]:

got me through college

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rhpot1991:

mangus580: yep they are the man pages, not crucial

[04:53:52]

rhpot1991:

mangus580: I'm looking for an email right now where I described what files lived where, that might be helpful to you

[04:54:05]

mangus580:

that would be GREAT

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mangus580:

granted, I think I have it 'mostly' figured out (pretty easy since the bulk of the files are web based )

[04:55:33]

mangus580:

only flaky thing I have is my webserver locations, but I can get around that :-)

[04:55:42]

mangus580:

be back in a couple, need to go outside and milk the goat

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rhpot1991:

mangus580: see if this helps at all: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m7bfa16d2

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terinjokes:

Dagmar: think i got it with VirtualDub on Windows

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mangus580:

rhpot1991: looking now

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mangus580:

looks really straightforward

[05:12:01]

mangus580:

granted there are a couple things in this, that I didnt know before (creating the init.d and the cron)

[05:13:15]

mangus580:

I think the only thing that might give me any trouble at all is the init.d script... is that going to be different for fedora?

[05:14:32]

luk1:

I have a motorola STB from charter connected through firewire, but I'm having issues with the sound capture. The levels keep flucuating. The bass is usually fine, but the treble is distorted and echos. Is there a way to capture the firewire output in a rawer form to see if the STB is giving me bad audio as opposed to mythtv playing it badly? hulu, youtube, and rhythmbox all play fine, so I don't think it's a general sound output

[05:15:19]

[R]:

it laready is raw mpeg2 from the fw

[05:15:55]

luk1:

so does that mean the audio is messed up from the box or just that the decode library is decoding it wrong?

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[R]:

i doubt its being decoded wrong

[05:16:15]

luk1:

the hdmi from the box directly to the TV is fine

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luk1:

I tried playing the capture streams in other media player, vlc, for instance, and they wouldn't even play. They were just froze at the first frame. I was hoping to get FW working so I don;t need to spend $200 on a hauppage HD-PVR

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luk1:

maybe it is the box being wonky. I did notice when I tried taping Sesame Street (since it was on the default chan 2) that the audio quality varied between different scenes in the show.

[05:19:54]

[R]:

maybe your box is broken

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luk1:

can I capture the audio on a different card and integrate it with the firewire video?

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luk1:

when I hit '-' it says the audio is 'Undetermined AC3 2ch'

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luk1:

do I need to switch the on pass-thru or something similar?

[05:25:17]

wilberfan:

i just upgraded to 0.22 (woo-hoo!), but i can't find the option to update my video collection...

[05:25:27]

wilberfan:

(add and remove .avi's, etc...)

[05:25:53]

wilberfan:

it used to be under "Utilities"...but i don't see it there anymore...

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[R]:

luk1: what kind of a differnet card?

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Wicked:

wilberfan, just got the videos part. hit m

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wilberfan:

"Edit Keys" and "Setup" are the only two options now, under "Utilities/Setup"...

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Wicked:

yea. wilberfan that screen no longer exists. its all done through the video browser part

[05:28:11]

wilberfan:

ohhhhhhhh! cool!

[05:28:20]

wilberfan:

is there a button on the remote that will do that...?

[05:28:24]

Wicked:

i did the same thing as you hehe

[05:28:32]

wilberfan:

the tv and the keyboard are in different rooms...

[05:28:35]

Wicked:

um. maby menu?

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Wicked:

i binded mine to "Menu" button

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wilberfan:

Yeppers: "menu" button brings up that same screen...

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wilberfan:

:D

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Wicked:

:)

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wilberfan:

0.22 was announced on Nov 9, I think, but it only made it to the debian multimedia repo within the last few days? is that about average??

[05:30:25]

wilberfan:

three weeks?

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luk1:

hauppage WinTV-PVR 150 MCE

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Wicked:

if you have videos in there....and there named correctly you can hit "w" and it will find info for your..along with some nice artwork(dvd covers,backgrounds)

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Wicked:

wilberfan, sounds about right. ive been building myth from svn for a while now.....i had 0.22 the day before it came out ;o

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kb9vqf:

Anyone here have experience with MTD? When I pop in a DVD I get this: http://pastebin.com/d9f6b297 :-(

[05:31:57]

kb9vqf:

It worked just find in 0.21, now it is borken in 0.22

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mangus580:

rhpot1991: you still here?

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wilberfan:

Wicked, wow...three weeks just sounds like a long time to me... an amarok upgrade was announced a week or so ago, and it was avail the next day...

[05:32:49]

wilberfan:

what screen do you hit the 'w' on...?

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Wicked:

all depends on the maintainer and the reason for the update...security updates should be asap.....while minor upgrades might not make it in for weeks

[05:33:39]

Wicked:

in the video manager....on the video you want to get info for

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wilberfan:

hmm. didn't know that.. i consider a mythtv upgrade to be CRITICAL! ;)

[05:34:38]

Wicked:

it works best if the files are like "Movie.Name.avi" or "TV.Show-S01E01.avi"

[05:34:43]

wilberfan:

ah: "no matches were found" on my Daily Show episode...

[05:34:50]

wilberfan:

lemme try californication...

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luk1:

[R]: Ok, so right now I have mythtv on comedy central. It's the puppet guy's show. I can hear the audience reaction in the rear speakers, but the dialogue is muted. The front speakers do work outside of mythtv.

[05:35:20]

wilberfan:

nope...that didn't work either...

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Wicked:

i dont think it works on recorded shows....but for shows you have archived yourself that are in the video section...not the recorded section

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wilberfan:

thanks for the tips, boys! :D

[05:35:58]

Wicked:

np. :)

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[R]:

luk1: outside?

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luk1:

vlc, rhythmbox and hulu in firefox can produce sound from the front speakers

[05:37:00]

luk1:

so it's not a speaker issue

[05:37:19]

Dagmar:

Make sure you are not trying to remap the speaker output

[05:37:45]

luk1:

not on purpose, how do I make sure that I didn't do that accidentally?

[05:37:53]

Dagmar:

Dialog being almost muted out is kinda a known issue with alsa screwups

[05:38:06]

Dagmar:

I'm trying to google for an explanation of the fix

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luk1:

o, I just noticed that pulseaudio doesn't show mythtv as an application source in Sound Preferences. Could that be the problem? That mythtv isn't using pulse and all that stuff I mentioned that does work is?

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Dagmar:

Could be. That and we hate pulse because it fails in a lot of ways

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Dagmar:

Have you done a basic speaker test with speaker-test?

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luk1:

see, that's the weird thing, speaker-test doesn't play sound from all the speakers

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luk1:

but pulse apps do

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Dagmar:

Right, so you're probably selecting the wrong output profile then

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luk1:

I haven't found a pulse-based speaker test to actually figure out if pulse is just faking the 5.1 tho

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Dagmar:

You passed -Dsurround51 to speaker-test?

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luk1:

it should be 5.1, I have 2 rear, 2 front, 1 center, 1 woof

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Dagmar:

"surround51" also comes into play for configuring sound in the frontend as wel

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luk1:

speaker-test -Dsurround51 -t wav -c6

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Dagmar:

...specifically ALSA:surround51 should work as your default audio output device without pulse being in any way involveed.

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luk1:

'front left' comes from front left speaker, 'front right' comes from rear right speaker

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luk1:

I hear no sound for the rest of the speakers

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Dagmar:

Okay, so assuming you have the things plugged in correctly, your sound chipset has a programmable output stack doesn't it

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Dagmar:

ie., it's got six different colored plugs back there

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luk1:

the jacks and wires are color coded and it matches the windows box that has the same i/o panel

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Dagmar:

So go into alsa-mixer and look around until you find the selector that changes it to the config you want that actually works

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luk1:

the only non-volume selector in alsamixer is the channel one, where I can choose is 6 or 8ch

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Dagmar:

Meh. Flip it to 8

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Dagmar:

ALSA screws up on a lot of these things because the maintainers are in denial about how badly the detection works

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Dagmar:

I'll make this very simple tho...

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luk1:

switching to 8 ch didn't help with either -c6 or -c8 for speaker-test

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luk1:

still only got 2 speakers to product sound

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Dagmar:

Until ALSA can auccessfully announce all four/five speakers (don't expect the subwoofer to be even remotely intelligible) you are just plain getting LUCKY you're getting as much sound as you are with pulse

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Dagmar:

Pulse works _through_ ALSA

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luk1:

yeah, which is why this is so confusing

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Dagmar:

For all I know your stereo might only be seeing two speaker signals and faking the rest

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Dagmar:

Ther's also the possiblity you can pass some module options to the alsa driver to make ti pick the right type of six stack config

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Dagmar:

s/ti/to/;

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Dagmar:

But seriously, you might be getting teh wild idea that pulse is doing something that's making it work

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Dagmar:

It's not

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Dagmar:

Pulse audio's purpose is to facilitate playing multiple sound streams at once.

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Dagmar:

It has nothing to do with driver-level stuff that you need to sort out first

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Dagmar:

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luk1:

I haven't thought of the woofer faking it

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Dagmar:

It talks to drivers, it does not take the place of them

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luk1:

but that is an option

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Dagmar:

the _woofer_ faking it?

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luk1:

the woofer is the amp

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Dagmar:

Most subwoofers have a crossover that filters out things they shouldnt' even try

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luk1:

so the 3 jacks are wired to the back of the woofer

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Dagmar:

...so all you get to hear is *murphlemuphmuphwuffle*

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luk1:

no

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Dagmar:

Oh I see

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luk1:

it's a logitech set of speakers

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Dagmar:

Yeah it's going to want a very specific configuration there

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Dagmar:

IIRC the first will be front speakers (green) the second will be rear speakers, and the third will expect center/sub

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Dagmar:

Cheat it

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Dagmar:

Take the front speaker connector and plug it into each port in turn as you run speaker-test

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Dagmar:

...since it'll nicely announce the name of each output as it plays.

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luk1:

I can't even get two supposed pairs of speakers to both talk at once

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luk1:

I got 1 front and 1 rear

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Dagmar:

This is why you want to "explore" until you know how they map

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luk1:

ack! I switched it back to 6ch and now I lost all sound from speaker-test

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luk1:

this bugger is touchy

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luk1:

Dagmar: The center is still quiet, but it does say 'rear center' when LFE is the output in speaker-test. The problem was that the subwoofer/amp had a switch on it and it got hit to 2ch instead of 5.1ch. Flicked the switch and front and rear speakers identify at full volume

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luk1:

just have to get firewire audio to work now and I'm set

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luk1:

The thing that was distorting the sound was the upmix setting. Anything besides Passive screws up the sound, I do lose the rear speakers with just Passive since the FW stream is just 2ch

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[R]:

i get that too... excpet my reciever upmixes it

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d3f4ultr0:

good evening folks, I can't get audio out of the digital interface. Not sure what I am missing. http://www.pastebin.org/59052

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[R]:

try playing 44.1k sound

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[R]:

i know mine doenst like 11k

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d3f4ultr0:

k

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floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

I use mythtv in my living room, and sometimes the display goes to sleep

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floppyears:

I can still hear the sound of the video playing, but I have a dark screen

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[R]:

sound like the screensaver turning on

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d3f4ultr0:

hey R, how do I set the sample rate?

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floppyears:

ps aux | grep screen doesn't return anything

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floppyears:

I'm also using blackbox instead of a regular desktop environment

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wagnerrp:

for whatever reason, mythtv is failing to disable DPMS when watching video

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wagnerrp:

disable it manually in your init script

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wagnerrp:

.xinitrc, rather

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[R]:

d3f4ultr0: you dont set it... you use an audio file that uses the correct rate

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floppyears:

thanks wagnerrp

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d3f4ultr0:

k

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d3f4ultr0:

even this fails, cat /dev/urandom | aplay -Diec958:CARD=Intel,DEV=0

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[R]:

thats because its still not 44.1k audio

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floppyears:

hmm, my script that starts mythwelcome already has: /usr/bin/xset -dpms

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d3f4ultr0:

k

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floppyears:

is there anything else that I need to set?

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[R]:

there is another xset command

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[R]:

fro the screen ssaver

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floppyears:

my script also has: /usr/bin/xset s off

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[R]:

then it shodult' be blanking

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floppyears:

yeah, I just removed a dpms option from my xorg config. I'm going to see if that fixes the problem

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floppyears:

the next thing to check is the bios settings

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wagnerrp:

nothing in the BIOS for that

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d3f4ultr0:

R, it's weird that the gui player is able to play cd properly.

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d3f4ultr0:

i'm glad that digital out is working on this board

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floppyears:

if the problem still persits, is it possible to do something so that whenever a button in the remote is clicked, it could wake up the screen ?

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d3f4ultr0:

R, just got aplay working using a diff file. http://www.sr.se/laddahem/MultiKanal/DD/SURROUNDTEST_DD_640.zip

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oobe:

i watched livetv a few weeks ago and now the channels i briefly watched keep appearing in my job queue as being commflaged but the livetv recordings no longer exist

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oobe:

http://pastebin.ca/1696003

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuarta

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Dagmar:

RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!

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Dagmar:

IAMLINDORO'S GOT OPS!

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stuarta:

:-p

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Dagmar:

C'mon, even iamlindoro would be saying that if he'd seen you do it

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mzb:

I've got my FE doing sound to alsa default nicely

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mzb:

on the side, I've got a script that outputs announcements to the same device

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mzb:

what's the best way for me to be able to achieve BOTH simultaneously?

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mzb:

(script is actually to a copy device because of the mono input, but that's another matter)

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mzb:

I *do* have a 2nd sound card output available (USB) if necessary, but I don't want to waste YET ANOTHER usb port just to power an "announcement" speaker

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mzb:

is dmix what I'm looking for?

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mzb:

(the USB sound card is only intended for input ... long(er) story)

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justinh:

just looking at the band plan for post switchover in the Winterhill transmitter area. Apparently there are gonna be 9 muxes according to http://www.ukfree.tv/txdetail.php?a=SD660144

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justinh:

this is all as clear as mud. again

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justinh:

there are gonna have to be changes to myth's scanning

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justinh:

default scan mode instigated by selecting UK dvb-t is 2k transmission mode & it's gonna be 8k everywhere post switchover

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justinh:

I didn't realise that until I went a-foraging in the code last week

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** stuarta thought it defaulted to auto **

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

defaults to 2k, 1/32 guard interval, everything else auto & then has the offset definitions

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justinh:

& that was trunk as of a few days ago

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justinh:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1696287 outta do it :)

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justinh:

I could put it on a ticket if you like

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justinh:

it works fine with everything as auto with one of my tuners, but not my crappy one – but full scanning has rarely worked on that beast anyway for some reason (think it's getting buggered up because of the offsets)

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justinh:

I dunno why the offsets are messing it up – maybe myth needs to cycle something on the troublesome tuner before changing freqs. It just works (tm) on my really cheapo USB tuner. Ironic. Might be a 'broken' driver

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justinh:

doing a tuned scan works on the bothersome tuner without any hassle at all – even with default timeout values – only the full scan fails

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justinh:

heh. we're gonna get Channel M on freeview. The Manchester Evening News have got their own mux

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justinh:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7688

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Dibblah:

Nice one, hnitsuj!

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justinh:

mailing -users about it now

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justinh:

before the brown stuff hits the whirly thing

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stuarta:

don't think the hierarchy change is required. only the 2k -> auto

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** stuarta consults his DB **

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justinh:

would having it set to auto harm any? one of my tuners – can't remember which didn't like it not set to auto – said it wasn't supported

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Dibblah:

justinh: How long ago, in terms of kernel versions?

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justinh:

very recent AFAIK

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stuarta:

that's justification in itself

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Dibblah:

Bugger. I thought that had been resolved.

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Dibblah:

ie 'auto' actually meant try all values, in the API.

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justinh:

stuarta: I mean it likes auto – doesn't like anything else

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stuarta:

hmmm, my DB has 5 mplex's with NULL modulation. and one QAM_16

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** Dibblah wonders if stuarta ever watches his Myth recordings ;) **

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stuarta:

justinh: aye, might be wise to put that in as a comment on the ticket for daniel's benefit

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stuarta:

:-0

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stuarta:

Dibblah: yes, and they seem to work

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** stuarta shrugs **

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justinh:

Dibblah: it's not just a recent kernel – drivers built out of the hg tree

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justinh:

if I remember right I didn't revert them

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** Dibblah wonders if we're doing something wrong again. **

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justinh:

Dibblah: vermagic: 2.6.31-14-generic

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justinh:

I can rebuild the driver from the hg tree & try scanning again

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justinh:

full scanning is really badly borked with that tuner

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justinh:

had me tearing what's left of my hair out

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justinh:

it's the offsets what done it guv. feed it frequencies & it's sweeeet

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justinh:

wtf? apparently I don't even have git installed

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stuarta:

what, it doesn't cope with attempting to tune to the offset freq's when the mux is on the main freq?

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justinh:

I think it's more that it doesn't find anything when the mux is on an offset freq

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stuarta:

well thats just shit

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justinh:

I had some debug from the scanner (-v channel) where some things didn't quite seem to make sense

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stuarta:

i'll take a look if you have it lying around

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justinh:

when the tuner gets a lock it's pretty near instant

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justinh:

http://pastebin.ca/1689580 is a bit from not locking onto a known good tunable mux

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justinh:

and this is a tuned scan http://pastebin.ca/1689642

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stuarta:

New Params: 754166670 auto 0 auto auto 8 2 1/32 n v fec: auto msys: UNDEFINED rolloff: 0.35

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stuarta:

New Params: 754166670 auto a auto auto a a auto a v fec: auto msys: UNDEFINED rolloff: 0.35

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stuarta:

so the failing one, defines all the params

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stuarta:

the working one leaves them all as auto

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justinh:

which the driver seems not to like (the failing one)

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justinh:

what's the n after 1/32 mean then?

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stuarta:

which is a driver bug if what we are passing the correct params for the mux

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justinh:

yeah they're right up until 12am tomorrow :)

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stuarta:

probably the hierarchy

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stuarta:

i'd have to check the source to confirm

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justinh:

stuarta: FYI changing that in my patch didn't help the full scan so I figured it's got to be something else

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justinh:

I changed them all to auto first, then was gonna work my way back if it started working

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** stuarta fishs out what they actually are **

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justinh:

heirarchy is NONE. I entered it enough times in 0.17 :)

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justinh:

I don't see any harm in leaving it as auto, but what do I know. Honestly, don't trust me :)

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justinh:

thing is I dunno what freeview are changing to – I know for sure they move to 8k transmission mode & 64QAM but nothing else is clear yet

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justinh:

*could* be safest to assume auto if it's not gonna hurt anybody but I know in theory that using proper parameters SHOULD work. It's a tough call dealing with 'broken' drivers but at the end of the day it's users who suffer

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justinh:

jees. what do I sound like? Like I care about users. Thin end of the wedge, that ;-)

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stuarta:

yes it's hierarchy

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justinh:

anyhow, with everything set as auto in a full scan it still fails with that tuner, so I drew a blank & decided to try my other spare one

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justinh:

I tried having a dig to find out if there's anything myth could do between changing freqs that it's not doing.. but I couldnae make anything out

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justinh:

but since it works with one tuner not the other I assumed the driver is to blame

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justinh:

even with stupid long tuning delays & timeout increases

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fixxxermet:

Any thoughts on using a Creative X-Fi 5.1 SB1090 (USB) for sound on a frontend?

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fixxxermet:

I need the optical out for for receiver

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jduggan:

if it works fine with alsa then it should work fine in myth afaik

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fixxxermet:

That is what I figured.

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fixxxermet:

Tired of messing with my xbox and ffmpeg to stream my videos!

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Sephen:

Does anyone have some recommendations for recording and transcoding shows? I have a Hauppauge PVR-250 card, which records about 2G an hour. I've played with my settings trying to get a good quality compressed video, but the best compromise I could reach was 700M/hr. That just seems excessively high. I've seen rips online of shows I've recorded, which are far better quality, and usually much smaller. Most cable supplied DVRs have a 250G drive in

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Sephen:

them, but they far exceed the recording quality and hours on disk that I'm able to achieve. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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justinh:

I have a recommendation. Don't bother transcoding. get bigger HDDs

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justinh:

and we don't talk about 'rips online' in here

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justinh:

FWIW by deinterlacing when you transcode you can safely do away with half the vertical resolution meaning you can get away with a lower bitrate – meaning smaller filesizes

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ivor:

on the other hand... you could interpolate up to a higher res and make bigger sizes. :)

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justinh:

or just make it look crapper :)

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ivor:

best option. indeed bigger hard drives.

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justinh:

the (cough) rips I've heard about are never full D1 res anyway

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justinh:

which is what yer recordings from pvr cards tend to be

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Sephen:

justinh: I do have deinterlacing turned on. Since the jobs are batched on my fileserver, I never really cared about how long it took, so I turned on most of the recommended 'quality' settings for transcoding.

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justinh:

you can prolly get away with reducing them to 352x288 or something, at 700kbits/sec

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Sephen:

I'm just frustrated that throwing 1.2T of space at this still has me watching my space closely to make sure I don't fill it up every week.

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justinh:

so use autoexpiry

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mzb:

Sephen, justinh is right, there's no substitute for hdd ....

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mzb:

_however_

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justinh:

watch more. keep less :)

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ivor:

1Tb ~ 512 hours. how much are yur watching each week! :)

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Sephen:

Yeah... I have kids... Keeping their shows around means a lot to them.

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justinh:

bah

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mzb:

you *can* reduce recordings using a number of methods

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justinh:

they CANNOT keep everything & have to learn

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justinh:

think in terms of video tapes. remember them?

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mzb:

a) trim pre/post show (assuming your guide _AND_ the channel are not accurate;)

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justinh:

hell even if you've got enough storage for 1000 hours a week you'll run out before long

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mzb:

b) reduce the recording down to a (for eg) 640x480 resolution

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justinh:

because everything+everything+everything adds up fast

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Sephen:

mzb: I usually strip commercials from the shows before transcoding. So your average 30 minute show ends up being 20min.

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iamlindoro:

700 MB/hr is insanely low and would look like holy hell even using a non-crap codec

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justinh:

iamlindoro: for SDTV? nah

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iamlindoro:

Oh yeah

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iamlindoro:

even for SDTV IMO

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justinh:

nah

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iamlindoro:

your opinion, my opinion ;)

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justinh:

depends on yer screensize probably

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mzb:

Sephen, keep in mind that justinh refers to me as a "file squirrel" ;)

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justinh:

32" screen, about 8' viewing distance.. they get away with stupidly lower bitrates before it starts to look like Lego

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justinh:

but they're better encoders than what you get in software

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Sephen:

I could never get the DVI to aling properly on my TV, so I ended up using SVideo out... No biggy though, since I'm using a PVR-250, I don't have a high def signal anyhow.

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mzb:

Sephen, for "kids cartoons", etc, I usually reduce resolution and bandwidth

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mzb:

(auto)

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mzb:

I cut ads out later (if I can be bothered)

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justinh:

all I ever mean is – it's fine to be a file squirrel but there must surely come a point where you can't afford to keep *every* *damn* *thing* anymore

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justinh:

you just can't

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mzb:

2true

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justinh:

it's one thing to keep every digital photo you take – even every home video. great. but not every TV show you've ever watched. Just not realistic

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ivor:

justinh: or do you just think I'll let hard disk technology keep me ahead and keep buying the newest biggest drive....

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justinh:

well yeah but it's gonna be a constant arms race

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mzb:

shoot wife, or buy more hard drives ... it's a hard choice ;))

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ivor:

justinh: that's the game we're in. :)

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Sephen:

mzb: How good lookin is the wife? :)

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ivor:

(on the other hand I can't talk I just delete recordings, it's only TV.)

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justinh:

it's less a case of how good looking she is – it's what shows she watches :P

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** Sephen thinks its maybe not a hard choice after all **

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mzb:

err... more concerned about the attractive kids we make ;)

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justinh:

ivor: yeah I fail to see how much is even worth keeping ;-)

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justinh:

you guys never heard of *repeats* ? ;-)

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justinh:

jees the way UK TV is going we won't even *need* PVRs

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mzb:

bottom line is ... get BUCKET LOADS OF HARD DRIVES ... and educate wife later

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justinh:

10pm $SHOW on $channel. 11pm $SHOW on $channel+1

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ivor:

then if it's any good there'll be two repeats on BBC HD the following week

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justinh:

ivor: followed by another 2 repeats before they show this weeks' repeats

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ivor:

besides... who has time to watch TV when there's code to write...

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Sephen:

ivor: Less sleep, thats my MO.

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mzb:

Sephen, she's not bad ;) .. and both kids are pretty gorgeous

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justinh:

in my TV utopia (which will never exist IMHO) everything will be stored on t'tinternet & we can watch $whatever $whenever

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ivor:

Sephen: yeah well I did squeeze in 45 minutes of hacking between 5.45 and 6.15 before work this morning....

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justinh:

mzb: anyway, I'm a little bit of a file squirrel. At my wife's request

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mzb:

ps: I'm a cradle snatcher ;)

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justinh:

mzb: definition, in years?

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ivor:

s/5.45/5.30/ doh.

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justinh:

I'm my wife's senior by 7 years. I feel older sometimes

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Sephen:

justinh: In my world (definitely not utopia), I'm at the end of the pole for my Comcast feed, and my signal is "the best its gonna get", which kinda sucks.

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mzb:

justinh, I'm disturbed to hear that

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mzb:

err ... 14 years

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justinh:

disturbed to hear what?

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justinh:

that even I'm a bit of a file squirrel? lol

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justinh:

besides, for all you lot know, the reason I don't have room for archiving every TV show is because of my vast collection of train photos

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mzb:

your squirrel problem ;)

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justinh:

now that *would* be disturbing

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ivor:

justinh: we probably suspected it.

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ivor:

either that or pictures of uk power distribution substations.

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justinh:

well she's coming round to the idea she's probably never going to watch those Bad Girls episodes again (and bloody well SHOULD never watch em)

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justinh:

and I point out regularly that they're not backed up (they are actually), so in that event they'd be gone anyway – so MIGHT AS WELL...

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justinh:

;-)

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** mzb hides his pics of 70's "micro" computers **

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justinh:

heheh

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justinh:

might cut out the middleman tonight & just go to sleep before watching Top Gear

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justinh:

more HDD space saving

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mzb:

I tell "$HER" that "something must have happened" ... usually by "best guess" is that she's set her shows to "never auto expire"

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mzb:

s/by/my

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ivor:

http://www.chilton-computing.org.uk/acd/jpgs/fig3p2_78.jpg

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justinh:

ivor: is that your frontend?

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tzanger:

ivor: that's a hell of a mythtv backend

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mzb:

getting more interesting now ... two more channels this week

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justinh:

we get more muxes tomorrow :D

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justinh:

fecknows what's on em. Channel M is on one, I know for sure. ISH#

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ivor:

more4+2 and more4+3 ?

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mzb:

her parents must be starting to regret satellite tv ... and her uncle

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mzb:

they both rely on me to provide them with copies of shows they miss

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justinh:

ivor: maybe Dave Ja Vu Ja Vu & Dave Ja Vu Ja Vu Ja Vu

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mzb:

... I can imahine getting to the point where I say "hmm ... nope ... too hard .. but you can pay me to make your OWN mythtv system!" ffs!

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mzb:

s/speeling errors

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mzb:

;)

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justinh:

mzb: nah what you need is MythCloud

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mzb:

they can blow that cloud out there ...

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justinh:

I believe it's some kind of network bounced off things in the sky using a 'l-a-z-e-r'

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mzb:

s/their

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mzb:

s/f** it

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mzb:

oh

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mzb:

I was thinking cricket bat

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mzb:

s/MythBat ?

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mzb:

hmm ... maybe not

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ivor:

who's got the clue bat this week? is justinh looking after it?

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ivor:

still

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justinh:

MY cluebat :)

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** mzb wonders if the red wine make him a target for the cluebat **

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** mzb knocks himself unconscious with his own cluebat **

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** mzb ... crawls ... to ... bed ... [hoping the dragon therein is already asleep] ;) **

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mzb:

gnite all

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justinh:

heh night

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** mzb hopes to dream of MythClouds **

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justinh:

bloody dog woke me up in the middle of the night with his dreaming yelps

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justinh:

and growls. never heard the like

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Sephen:

I think its funny when they run in their sleep.

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justinh:

yeah he does that

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justinh:

and growls, yelps & barks

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justinh:

sometimes wakes himself up

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stuarta:

ho hum.

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ivor:

quack quack

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stuarta:

i just noticed my muxes are changing 2mro as well

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justinh:

think I'll try & stay up late to f1xx0r teh ch@nn3l5

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justinh:

might hook up my old mpeg2 encoding card to record the PSCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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justinh:

I can't wait to find out WTH the thre extra muxes are

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stevieman:

is the current release of mythbuntu the RC release or the official release of .22 I ask because I grabbed the RC release weeks ago and I'm having some issues I didn't have with .21

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justinh:

issues?

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stevieman:

yah, I still have the video sync issues, when I delete a recorded show it stays listed in the recorded shows

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oobe:

when mythbuntu was released rc1 was newest so thats what they packed it with just enable the fixes repo to get the latest mythtv

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justinh:

ahh these 'new' muxes are mere speculation on the ukfreetv site. BAH

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stevieman:

oobe: Where do I enable the fixes repo, I see main, universe, restricted and multiverse

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oobe:

go to the mythbuntu.org site and look for daily builds or somthing

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oobe:

they have a deb that sets up the repo

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luk1:

I can't get the telnet remote to work. I keep getting connection refused, but I can't figure out whether the frontend can't open the port or if something else is blocking the connection. There was no log message in mythfrontend.log mentioning 6546.

[17:11:18]

stevieman:

luk1: firewall?

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luk1:

I have moblock/blockcontrol, but i stopped that, and i still got refused

[17:12:22]

luk1:

yeah, with it stoped my iptables is ACCEPT for everything

[17:13:18]

luk1:

wait... I got it working on my laptop, but MyMote is still getting refused

[17:13:26]

luk1:

maybe that's a DNS issue?

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stevieman:

luk1: Are you connecting using URL or IP

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luk1:

MyMote auto-detects the backend as an IP

[17:18:46]

luk1:

and then select that and got a list of frontends, which had just a hostname

[17:20:10]

luk1:

but the frontend's hostname might not be resolvable, since the laptop and the backend (which is the frontend) just have entries for the frontend in /etc/hosts

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luk1:

there's no DNS resolution for those names

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stevieman:

could be

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oobe:

luk1, to trouble shoot try connecting on the local machine "nc localhost 6546,"

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wagnerrp:

luk1: it is disabled by default, you have to enable it

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luk1:

o, I got it working. I had to add 5353 as the WHITELIST_UDP_IN|OUT for blockcontrol

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luk1:

the reason why it looked like it was allowing it is avahi caches the foo.local entries

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luk1:

so it was persisting on my laptop

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luk1:

added avahi and turned off the blocking of its ports and it all works now

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luk1:

MyMote is much easier than trying to remember all the keybindings

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wagnerrp:

not sure why they would have to hack in avahi, rather than just detect the frontend over upnp directly

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wagnerrp:

frontend broadcast themselves as AV Renderers

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luk1:

it's what the mymote wiki said to do

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luk1:

it autodetects the backend just fine

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i know thats what mymote does

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luk1:

but it couldn't resolve the name the backend gave for the frontend without opening 5353

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wagnerrp:

im questioning their logic

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luk1:

maybe they don't know?

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borei:

hi all

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borei:

i have question about mythtv and xvmc

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borei:

how can i verify that mythtv uses xvmc from nvidia but not standard from X11 ?

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borei:

i'm getting

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borei:

Desired video renderer 'xvmc-blit' not available

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wagnerrp:

there is no xvmc from x11

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wagnerrp:

only available in the proprietary drivers

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wagnerrp:

and make sure youre loading the 'nvidia' driver, rather than 'nv'

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wagnerrp:

furthermore, xvmc is rather antiquated

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wagnerrp:

a modern processor will do anything xvmc is capable of

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wagnerrp:

any processor in the last 4 years will do anything xvmc is capable of

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borei:

agree, but from my understanding i can unload cpu using xvmc

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borei:

is it correct

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wagnerrp:

partially

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wagnerrp:

xvmc was only ever a partial offload

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borei:

yup

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wagnerrp:

if you have enough processor to handle decoding completely in software, theres no purpose to a partial offload

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borei:

but at this moment i dont have vdpau card

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sphery:

xvmc has more limitations than benefits

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sphery:

and only works on MPEG-2

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borei:

i have 2Ghs opteron 246 + 6600 Nvidia

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sphery:

and MPEG-2 decoding is easy

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borei:

1080 is really choppy

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sphery:

(granted, Via went down a path where they intended to support MPEG-4 and some other iDCT-using CODECs in XvMC, but I don't know if they actually got to a point where it was useful)

[18:50:18]

sphery:

both of those are overkill for 1080i MPEG-2

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devinheitmueller:

borei: most of the cards that do support XvMC don't do 1080i. The older Intel cards only did up to 720x480.

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sphery:

which means you just need to fix your playback profile

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borei:

here i need some headsup

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sphery:

change the playback profile group to the default definition of Slim and I htink you'll be happy

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borei:

let me try

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sphery:

Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback on screen 3

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you wouldnt happen to know of any mythevent documentation would you?

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borei:

i have CPU+

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sphery:

none at all--don't even know where specifically to find it in the code

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sphery:

yeah, CPU+ is garbage

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sphery:

use Slim

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sphery:

that should work. Then if you want to play, you can try Normal and/or High Quality. Those may not work--depending on system resources.

[18:53:12]

sphery:

But try Slim to start with

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sphery:

CPU+ is the one that's chosen by default due to a bug in the settings (which, I hope to throw away with the rest of the settings code when we redo the settings in mythui).

[18:54:15]

sphery:

I started to fix it, but it was ugly, and since we're redoing all of setup...

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justinh:

methinks it might be cool to have a 'reset to default' button for some settings

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justinh:

esp. in the profile type stuff

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borei:

choppy

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borei:

i'm getting

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borei:

X Error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) 11

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borei:

does it mean that video card doesn't has resources ?

[18:57:42]

borei:

RAM

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borei:

i have only 128

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wagnerrp:

128mb is more than enough for anything Xv wants to do

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mag0o:

i do cpu-- for hd playback on an sd tv with mx440

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mag0o:

(if that makes sense)

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mag0o:

hd content for playback on sd tv

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justinh:

hmmm

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justinh:

well, if xv is to scale HD resolutions it'd need enough ram to do that

[19:00:57]

justinh:

but.. even 128MB RAM is well within that I'd think

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justinh:

1920x1080x32 is about 8 megabytes, give or take

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mag0o:

and well, actually i tried this weekend and the mx4000 (sorry, not a mx440) actually played back 720p and 1080i just fine using cpu-- to a 1900x1080 set

[19:04:35]

borei:

after i changed configuration will it be activated automatically or i need to reload it somehow ?

[19:04:51]

justinh:

should be if you went all the way to FINISH

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borei:

ok

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borei:

tried CPU-- – the same

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borei:

choppy

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mag0o:

nvidia driver blob?

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borei:

what is the typicla bottle-necks

[19:07:25]

borei:

nvidia

[19:07:29]

borei:

190.42

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justinh:

does that driver even support stuff that old?

[19:07:59]

mag0o:

dunno, im outta 'works for me' ideas

[19:08:09]

borei:

xwindows works fine

[19:08:20]

justinh:

X will work on a wet paper towel

[19:08:20]

mag0o:

try running nvidia-settings

[19:08:26]

borei:

LOL

[19:08:43]

borei:

can it be an issue with composite option

[19:08:48]

justinh:

which still puts wet paper towels on a level somewhere about SiS chipsets...

[19:08:52]

GlemSom:

For some odd reason, the font used for the clock is too big on my setup. I haven't touch the default font settings... and I'm wondering if anyone lese has this problem... pictures: http://glemsom.anapnea.net/IMAGE_002.jpg and http://glemsom.anapnea.net/IMAGE_003.jpg (sorry for the poor quality, it's from my mobile phone)

[19:08:55]

justinh:

*above*

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mag0o:

borei: can you run nvidia-settings?

[19:09:18]

justinh:

GlemSom: you can take actual screenshots ya know.. like directly

[19:09:20]

sphery:

video cards are designed to do well as upscaling, but many of them do poorly at downscaling

[19:09:36]

GlemSom:

justinh, I don't have a keyboard attached to my mediecenter...

[19:09:36]

sphery:

borei: the problem may be that you're downscaling from 1080i to 800x600

[19:10:09]

sphery:

borei: I recommend running your GF4MX440 at 1024x768

[19:10:28]

borei:

i have 1680x1050

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sphery:

and, no, 190.42 doesn't support the MX440

[19:10:32]

mag0o:

sphery: thats me with the 440, GlemSom had something else

[19:10:34]

sphery:

ah, that will be fine

[19:10:51]

mag0o:

doh

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mag0o:

borei had something else

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mag0o:

sorry GlemSom

[19:11:16]

sphery:

I think the MX440 requires 71.86.11

[19:11:32]

wagnerrp:

it requires one of the legacy blends

[19:11:51]

wagnerrp:

although i thought i was running 93.something

[19:11:59]

mag0o:

my mx4000 is running NVIDIA-Linux-x86–96.43.13-pkg1.run fyi

[19:12:13]

sphery:

The 96.43.xx driver supports the following set of GPUs: GeForce4 MX 440

[19:12:26]

sphery:

so 96.43.14

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sphery:

(that from http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-a.html )

[19:13:33]

GlemSom:

ohh odd, if I run the mythfrontend in a nxclient window, I do NOT have the fontissue with the clock.... So, it must be related to my xserver then... Maybe mythtv is a little sensitive to DPI or something? (Well, the other fonts are fine... But the clock is waaaaay to big)

[19:13:35]

sphery:

or http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-a.html

[19:13:58]

sphery:

GlemSom: MythTV can only use system-installed fonts in the UI

[19:14:02]

iamlindoro:

So looks like Comcast will be buying NBC with some certainty

[19:14:09]

sphery:

GlemSom: meaning you have different fonts available with the different X servers

[19:14:24]

iamlindoro:

Fitting that the people who brought you totally broken cable service will purchase the people who bring you Heroes

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sphery:

GlemSom: or you have font replacement rules that change, i.e. Arial to free "equivalents" like DejaVu Sans

[19:14:46]

sphery:

(which are /much/ wider fonts)

[19:15:14]

justinh:

FFS the level of clue regarding the analogue switchoff tomorrow morning is way low

[19:15:21]

sphery:

or, of course, you can just throw a copy of Arial.ttf into the theme directory for the theme you're using

[19:15:35]

GlemSom:

Well, it's not wider – it's just like when I run it in a nxclient – it has the exact same size as the rest of the text. On my mediecenter, it is like 3 times larger (in height)

[19:15:39]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Is this switch something just sprung on you guys? Seemed to pop up out of nowhere

[19:15:44]

justinh:

people thinking they won't need to retune anything despite all the billboards, newspaper ads, flyers, radio ads, TV ads...

[19:15:53]

justinh:

iamlindoro: we've known about it for more than 12 months

[19:15:53]

sphery:

I've been told it works, and even though there's not a line of code in Myth or Qt that would make it work, it /must/ work--because someone said it does

[19:16:09]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Ah... I must have missed chatter about it in the past I guess

[19:16:23]

justinh:

iamlindoro: what the public have been lacking is exact tech details – which fair enough the majority of people don't need BUT...

[19:16:34]

wagnerrp:

what about people over here who were caught off guard

[19:16:35]

sphery:

GlemSom: regardless, it's a missing and/or replaced font issue

[19:16:41]

sphery:

what theme?

[19:16:44]

GlemSom:

Actually, when I look at it... in the nxclient -> clock-font is SMALLER then the rest of the text... On my mediecenter -> it's bigger then the rest of the text.... seems a bit odd :/

[19:16:58]

wagnerrp:

after years of warning, and two postponements

[19:17:03]

GlemSom:

sphery, It's ron from from the same machine – with the same fonts.

[19:17:14]

sphery:

different X servers, though

[19:17:17]

sphery:

right?

[19:17:23]

GlemSom:

nxclient used the server fonts (which in this case, is my mediecenter)

[19:17:25]

justinh:

iamlindoro: it's been blanket coverage for the last few months, messages on analogue tv – and people are still asking where their BBC2 went :P

[19:17:33]

sphery:

what theme?

[19:17:36]

iamlindoro:

justinh: I see

[19:17:40]

GlemSom:

Yes, different X servers...

[19:17:43]

justinh:

sphery: one of them is lame-wide wot I did

[19:17:53]

borei:

with out composite – the same – choppy

[19:17:56]

borei:

hmm

[19:18:02]

justinh:

prodgefect-blameheck or something

[19:18:21]

sphery:

don't remember what font that one uses...

[19:18:32]

justinh:

nor do I. and I made the ball of spit

[19:18:38]

GlemSom:

Theme is ProjectGreyhem (wide)

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sphery:

(even though I'm still using neon-wide on my system--which is still 0.21-fixes because I'm still working on upgrading my whole network of computers--I still don't know what fonts they use)

[19:19:26]

justinh:

bitstream Vera. (puke)

[19:20:11]

justinh:

originally used a different one but last rev I have uses Bitstream Vera

[19:20:35]

sphery:

GlemSom: can you isntall Bitstream Vera fonts?

[19:20:49]

GlemSom:

Ohh, just tryed "mythbunto" theme instead, that one does not have the issue....

[19:20:54]

sphery:

it may just be that you don't have it installed and the 2 different X servers are choosing different replacments

[19:21:08]

justinh:

who the hell is still shipping those crap themes?

[19:21:19]

sphery:

i.e. if you don't have the font installed, you get $RANDOM garbage

[19:21:45]

justinh:

crap themes wot I spend weeks poring over, swearing, sweating blood & tears.. but hey

[19:21:52]

justinh:

;-)

[19:21:53]

sphery:

justinh: I hear there's a push to get Blue and other legacy themes "ported" to mythui

[19:22:07]

** iamlindoro vomits violently **

[19:22:08]

justinh:

sphery: I hear there's gonna be burnins

[19:22:16]

GlemSom:

sphery, Just checked, those fonts are installed (package called "ttf-bitstream-vera" unde Gentoo though)

[19:22:23]

sphery:

after all, /all/ the good ideas for Myth themes have already been invented

[19:22:25]

justinh:

I'm a gonna go a-burnin' tonite paw

[19:22:42]

sphery:

so it's not like you /could/ make a different theme

[19:22:47]

sphery:

even with a whole new theme engine

[19:22:59]

justinh:

what's the best way to pour petrol in through a letterbox again?

[19:23:25]

** justinh is tempted to go on record & implore people to reject the old junk **

[19:23:26]

sphery:

unless, of course, you made one called Graphite that requires a quad-core CPU with 16GB RAM and still overheats the CPU/chipset and crashes the network switch

[19:23:51]

sphery:

but who in their right mind would want that theme?

[19:23:54]

justinh:

clinging to the original layouts I can understand

[19:23:57]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Think it'll handle itself once there are a few more choices out there

[19:24:13]

sphery:

yeah, MythBuntu was different, but kept a lot of the old style

[19:24:17]

sphery:

er, Mythbuntu

[19:24:22]

sphery:

I always capitalize that wrong

[19:24:31]

justinh:

staying attached to themes which use *nasty* graphics on the other hand..

[19:24:42]

sphery:

G.A.N.T

[19:24:48]

justinh:

sphery: it's ok. caps don't matter in real life :)

[19:24:49]

sphery:

could do a new -wide version

[19:25:10]

iamlindoro:

sphery: and call it G.A.A.A.A.A.N.N.N.N.N.T?

[19:25:21]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

we could do a non-Windows version called G.A.N.T.

[19:25:50]

justinh:

I don't mind the idea of doing a theme 'in the style of' an old one, taking the taste (or lack thereof) & transporting it to new areas.. but.. reusing.. bleh doesn't bear thinking about

[19:26:20]

sphery:

(stupid MS Windows with stupid filename tricks that are based around a 1980's file system design)

[19:26:44]

justinh:

maybe concept would be well received. it's nowhere near as adventurous as other mythui themes (for that read wacky – my wife's words)

[19:26:52]

sphery:

yeah, and since most of the reuse is basically just reusing the default theme, now, what's the point?

[19:27:09]

sphery:

i.e. G.A.N.T isn't G.A.N.T anymore

[19:27:17]

sphery:

Retro isn't Retro anymore...

[19:27:19]

sphery:

and so on\

[19:27:25]

justinh:

the default theme files are mostly hastily boshed together placeholders innit?

[19:27:40]

iamlindoro:

I'm nearing fully themed on Arclight and I can still stand it, that speaks well of it

[19:28:37]

justinh:

I think that when I look at concept now

[19:28:43]

justinh:

and I've been looking at it a long time

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I heard that you plan to charge people $50 for a 30-day trial license on that one?

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sphery:

is it per machine or per household?

[19:29:22]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Yeah, just putting the finishing touches on the theme compiler

[19:29:23]

justinh:

I'd love to try really new ideas & stuff but it's not just me who uses myth in this house

[19:29:27]

iamlindoro:

per pair of eyes

[19:29:30]

sphery:

wow

[19:29:42]

iamlindoro:

If you watch with your family, group licenses are available

[19:29:59]

sphery:

"OK, everyone in the room, please close your eyes while I turn on the TV and change the theme to one that's not so expensive."

[19:30:11]

sphery:

what about a group of friends?

[19:30:21]

iamlindoro:

see the rental schedule

[19:30:24]

mag0o:

that'd be the p2p license

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havane2036:

hi

[19:30:46]

sphery:

do you at least have auto-bill-pay options for us?

[19:31:07]

sphery:

where I just give you my bank account number and routing info?

[19:31:29]

iamlindoro:

sphery: For that I'm have to refer you to my CFO, Nigerian Prince Khalid Ahmed

[19:31:56]

sphery:

heh

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justinh:

hmm interesting point mister -users user. what about 0.21-fixes? heheh

[19:34:46]

justinh:

then I remember I still run 0.21 on my production boxes

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justinh:

time to have a dig in -fixes code & see what it does

[19:38:53]

squish102:

could someone suggest a good easy app that will convert one of my dvd's (already ripped) to a zune format?

[19:39:27]

iamlindoro:

Ah, you need MythZune

[19:40:07]

justinh:

ooo 0.21 is f***ed with the new 8k transmission mode too

[19:40:25]

squish102:

there is such a thing? i have not upgraded yet :(

[19:40:43]

iamlindoro:

No. At least, I desperately hope not

[19:40:51]

iamlindoro:

Myth users and Zune users tend not to be the same people.

[19:41:06]

squish102:

i'm one of the unfortunate ones

[19:41:13]

iamlindoro:

Nobody's perfect

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sphery:

I'm guessing with some small changes one of the user job scripts on the wiki for one of the other devices (ipod or what have you) will work for you

[19:42:54]

justinh:

Whatever happened to MythStupidIdea ? :D

[19:43:13]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Don't be silly, I wrote two of them in the month of November! ;)

[19:43:29]

justinh:

iamlindoro: not by any sane person's yardstick ;-)

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mangus580:

what about mythexport for mtyhbuntu? that will do exactly what he is asking

[19:43:44]

justinh:

mythwhatnow?

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iamlindoro:

mangus580: Unless it's got a Zune-specific output profile, that's unlikely

[19:44:23]

justinh:

oh that script they made & kept to themselves out of the official wiki. :)

[19:44:37]

iamlindoro:

And if it doesn't, might as well just set up an ffmpeg user job

[19:45:24]

justinh:

WTF?! "ffmpeg no longer supports AAC encoding"

[19:45:28]

justinh:

!!!

[19:45:46]

iamlindoro:

http://zune.tigercore.net/

[19:45:48]

justinh:

I hope they mean 'In ubuntu, ffmpeg is even more castrated than it was ever before'

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iamlindoro:

ffmpeg.exe -i star.trek.ds9.04x18.rules.of.engagement.xvid.avi -vcodec wmv2 -acodec wmav2 -s 320x240 -b 640000 -maxrate 1350000 -bufsize 2048000 -ab 128000 -ac 2 star.trek.ds9.04x18.rules.of.engagement.xvid.wmv -title "Star Trek DS9 – 04x18 – Rules of Engagement"

[19:45:58]

iamlindoro:

the end

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justinh:

heh mythexport has a zune profile

[19:46:56]

squish102:

it does.. ok, my bad, asking before looking

[19:47:21]

justinh:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythExport

[19:47:31]

iamlindoro:

depressing

[19:47:52]

squish102:

i wonder if it does my videos, or only recordings

[19:48:06]

justinh:

you can only run user jobs on recordings

[19:48:32]

** iamlindoro points at the ffmpeg command line above **

[19:49:04]

justinh:

iamlindoro: it's ok. people ignore help here. it's nearly Christmas. actually following advice sought here takes time

[19:49:07]

justinh:

valuable time

[19:49:42]

iamlindoro:

Well, we're on freenode, my time is clearly worthless :)

[19:50:08]

justinh:

see, it balances out :D

[19:54:52]

justinh:

ducking -users ML. I spell something out clear as day & some c*** says "as I read it..." then repeats what I ****ing said. Strewth

[19:56:22]

justinh:

sorry, I got two things confused for a sec. Mailing lists & sentient beings

[19:59:02]

dserban:

I need advice.

[19:59:30]

justinh:

I need a strong drink

[19:59:47]

mag0o:

I need a shoebox full of $50's

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dserban:

I need a mistress ... for christmas.

[20:00:50]

sphery:

"Certainly cheaper than a new frontend!"

[20:00:51]

justinh:

just a shoebox full?

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sphery:

I beg to differ. Writing code isn't cheap.

[20:01:01]

mangus580:

justinh: what do you mean, I have the source code for it? he gave it to me last night

[20:01:10]

sphery:

(from "Re: [mythtv-users] Hide certain channels from certain frontends"

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mangus580:

iamlindoro: yes it does have a specific zune profile

[20:01:12]

justinh:

sphery: less high maintenance too :P

[20:01:27]

sphery:

this is all in a user's quest to use an incapable frontend

[20:01:31]

sphery:

why not just buy a system that works?

[20:01:33]

iamlindoro:

mangus580: Not going to help him with his videos/DVD rips

[20:01:41]

justinh:

mangus580: wth are you referring to?

[20:01:43]

mattwynne:

guys something crazy has happened to my directories setup: I can see live tv (and nothing else) in my 'play recordings' menu

[20:01:55]

mattwynne:

any idea how I can fix my configuration?

[20:01:57]

justinh:

mattwynne: change your group filter

[20:02:03]

mangus580:

iamlindoro: understood... I brought it up mostly because I would love to see it more widely used... (ie, I need to move it to fedora)

[20:02:09]

justinh:

press MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmenu in 'watch recordings'

[20:02:10]

mattwynne:

I can see the recordings in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings

[20:02:25]

mattwynne:

but it shows me what's in /var/lib/mythtv/livetv

[20:02:27]

justinh:

press MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmenu in 'watch recordings'

[20:02:29]

sphery:

mattwynne: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F

[20:02:42]

mattwynne:

sphery ha ha thanks :)

[20:02:43]

mangus580:

justinh: you said "oh that script they made & kept to themselves out of the official wiki. " I presumed you were referring to mythexport?

[20:02:52]

sphery:

mattwynne: and justinh, thanks

[20:03:05]

sphery:

(same answer--he just read it for you)

[20:03:10]

mattwynne:

indeed, thanks justinh too :)

[20:03:12]

justinh:

I keep typing advice for people in #mythtv-users but people I'm trying to help aren't paying ANY ****ING ATTENTION. Anybody know what the problem might be?

[20:03:33]

sphery:

what was that

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mattwynne:

who said that?

[20:03:42]

laga:

justinh: can you be more specific?

[20:03:47]

sphery:

my IRC client just jumped up a couple lines, but I didn't see anything?

[20:03:48]

justinh:

mattwynne: yes I was referring to that

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dserban:

justinh: Hit me up with advice, I'll listen

[20:04:03]

sphery:

Look both ways before crossing the road.

[20:04:14]

sphery:

(Especially when you go from the US to London)

[20:04:19]

laga:

use rubbers

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dserban:

LOL!!!

[20:04:27]

laga:

to suspend your hard disks.

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sphery:

laga: yeah, rubbers--the best way to erase mistakes in your writing

[20:04:43]

mattwynne:

okay guys another question – my shiny new Hauppage DVB card does not get great reception... in central London.

[20:04:54]

justinh:

mattwynne: try attaching an aerial

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justinh:

with real coax cable & everything

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laga:

hum. i find rubbers great at preventing reception, too

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mattwynne:

*slaps forehead

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mattwynne:

justinh genius.

[20:05:31]

justinh:

string works best when wet, and it can be tricky to keep it so

[20:05:52]

mattwynne:

am I right in thinking these PCI cards get weaker reception than set-top boxes?

[20:05:59]

justinh:

generally yes

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dserban:

not if you overclock them

[20:06:15]

mattwynne:

have I bought a particularly bad one?

[20:06:33]

mattwynne:

dserban how the hell do you do that?

[20:06:38]

justinh:

mattwynne: your aerial/downlead might be sub-optimal

[20:06:59]

mattwynne:

justinh yeah that's what I figure – I'm going to climb on the roof tomorrow and take a look

[20:07:09]

laga:

dserban: overclock?

[20:07:13]

justinh:

just don't follow in Rod Hull's footsteps

[20:07:24]

dserban:

mattwynne: I was going to go and be cheeky, but really you didn't ask for it. And I have no energy to type that much.

[20:07:56]

** dserban parts and does some work with his hot'n'seksi 8 core 48 gig server **

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mattwynne:

justinh what do you mean by 'download' – the length/quality of the coax cable from the aerial?

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justinh:

48Gigs? that's gonna wipe out those transmissons I'm getting from Alpha Centuari

[20:08:57]

justinh:

down LEAD

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mattwynne:

ha

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dserban:

yeah, the machine is so... empty. Too much ram, too much storage... I don't know what to do with it. Bought it on a whim... then I got 2 more because I couldn't believe the price

[20:11:01]

dserban:

setting up xen currently... that's a bag full of excitement

[20:11:27]

mattwynne:

so basically I should just google 'improve digital tv reception' – there's no magic bullet?

[20:11:38]

mattwynne:

and nothing specially mythtv-related I can do?

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justinh:

mattwynne: how new is the aerial? how new is the coax cable? how many ways is it split to other receivers? ETC

[20:13:57]

mattwynne:

justinh rented house and I've never had to care before so not entirely sure, but... seems pretty simple – single cable comes into living room through window frame

[20:14:06]

mattwynne:

so I presume that comes straight from the aerial

[20:14:07]

justinh:

could be right

[20:14:19]

mattwynne:

I've fitted a booster as it comes into the living room

[20:14:29]

mattwynne:

then the myth box is plugged into the booser

[20:14:29]

justinh:

boosters don't always help

[20:14:34]

mattwynne:

really?

[20:14:40]

justinh:

try without & see

[20:14:45]

mattwynne:

bloody thing gives me a shock every time I touch the cable

[20:14:58]

mattwynne:

not a big one, but a bit of a surprise, if you know what I mean

[20:15:03]

clever:

my STB does the same thing

[20:15:06]

justinh:

amplifiers amplify signal. Oh and they also amplify NOISE

[20:15:11]

mattwynne:

can it actually make it worse?

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clever:

the whole box is HOT at all times

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justinh:

and introduce noise

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mattwynne:

right

[20:15:22]

justinh:

mattwynne: yup

[20:15:31]

justinh:

depends on the original signal

[20:15:34]

justinh:

crap in, crap out

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mattwynne:

am I right in thinking it's a better design to put the booster near the aerial then?

[20:15:51]

mattwynne:

less noise at that point?

[20:15:52]

justinh:

if the signal is just low, but nice.. an amplifier can help

[20:15:56]

justinh:

in theory but not always

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mattwynne:

where does the noise come from?

[20:16:32]

justinh:

electrical interference, yada yada yada

[20:16:35]

mattwynne:

from my own cabling or into the aerial (e.g. nearby pylons etc)

[20:16:40]

justinh:

anywhere

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dan4dm:

re booster, yes we found a poorer signal when adding a cheapo booster – wasn't surprised, but worth testing

[20:16:51]

justinh:

if the cable is shite, it can get in there

[20:17:15]

justinh:

if the aerial isn't aimed quite the right way...

[20:17:20]

justinh:

or noise sources in the way..

[20:18:05]

mattwynne:

justinh how do you decide which way to aim the aerial?

[20:18:31]

justinh:

in my case you pay a nice man to do it

[20:18:41]

justinh:

or if it's the one in the attic you do it yerself

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justinh:

find out where yer local mast is, establish which way to point aerial. Bing!

[20:20:24]

justinh:

anyway time to walk t' doggy

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borei:

hi all

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borei:

still fighting against chopping

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borei:

got the following output from myth

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borei:

NVP(0): prebuffering pause

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borei:

what does it mean

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floppyears:

what kinds of things do you use to watch content in mythtv besides tv?

[20:50:19]

borei:

only mkv and iso

[20:50:28]

justinh:

videos, galleries, musics.. intertubes

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floppyears:

justinh: what do you use in the intertubes?

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justinh:

foxy fires n ting

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floppyears:

what's that?

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justinh:

this is like asking what tv shows people like ffs

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borei:

where is sound configuration ?

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floppyears:

justinh: I know, I'm just trying to expand the content that I watch in mythtv. I tried looking into huludesktop and boxee, but they currently do not have versions for ubuntu karmic

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justinh:

fwiw nothing online offers really watchable quality

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sphery:

borei: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause

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borei:

sphery: thanks a lot

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justinh:

sphery: that the one which is #1 google result for "prebuffering pause mythtv" ?

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justinh:

</smug mode>

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dan4dm:

floppyears: maybe ted.com ? not up everyone's street but it's an intertubular source of vid

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floppyears:

dan4dm: thanks. I'll try that

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floppyears:

I love ted

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justinh:

ted.com have the strapline "remarkable talks by remarkable people". and a vid of gordon brown. GRRRRRRRRRRR

[21:18:07]

dan4dm:

looool

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justinh:

oops. riveting talks. Sorry.

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dan4dm:

sorry i didn't check the current lineup before recommending <blushes>

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justinh:

time we didn't have an obese half blind Scot we didn't elect leading us here in UK land

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justinh:

anyway, not *all* intertubes video is junk not worth watching.. just don't expect broadcast quality ;)

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justinh:

and now youtube is considering paid for content you can't keep? hahaha fail

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Dibblah:

ted is cool :)

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wagnerrp:

ted?

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Dibblah:

You don't know ted?

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Dibblah:

ted.com

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wagnerrp:

i dont know ted

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Dibblah:

You should know ted.

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wagnerrp:

i know is brother, jack

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Dibblah:

http://pendor.org/shared/crapatrouting.png

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wagnerrp:

*his

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Dibblah:

Err... Wrong clipboard – Sorry.

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dan4dm:

still, great pic

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Dibblah:

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/robert_neuw . . . _cities.html

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justinh:

oo a PSU of some kind

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Dibblah:

And would you have guessed that without the labels? ;)

[21:39:10]

Dibblah:

It's a dual 1.4Mhz out of phase 1.2 / 3.3v from 5v psu.

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justinh:

the inductors are a giveaway

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Dibblah:

Should be about 75% efficient.

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Dibblah:

... Assuming my routing doesn't completely screw it up.

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justinh:

not bad for a buck converter

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justinh:

tracks under the IC look a bit close for a DIY board

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Dibblah:

Waaay big enough.

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Dibblah:

It's only a QSOP.

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justinh:

I should pick up my whole house audio stuff again before it rots away

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Dibblah:

e is .635mm.

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Dibblah:

(pitch)

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Dibblah:

I only have real trouble past .4mm.

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dustybin:

is there a such thing as a soft remote control? if your on your laptop and watching tv at the same time, it would be nice to click a button on a soft remote whats on my desktop to change the channel

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Dibblah:

If you're planning to add mythmusic to the telnet interface... :)

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Dibblah:

dustybin: Yes.

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Dibblah:

There's the telnet interface.

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dustybin:

aye there is

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Dibblah:

There's also mythremote, or whatever it's called. And an iphone app.

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justinh:

mythmote

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justinh:

or mythmope

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dustybin:

telnet is nice, i have opened a dedicated screen session for it :D

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iamlindoro:

MythMoth

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iamlindoro:

Attracted to the light of the screen

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** Dibblah would like MythMithter. **

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Dibblah:

(Mythterhouse?)

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justinh:

mythterhouth

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Dibblah:

Although I don't yet have a misterhouse implementation

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Dibblah:

Heh.

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: if youre using it from the command line, check out mythremctl in contrib

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devinheitmueller:

I keep thinking about writing a MythTux plugin to control my Tux Droid: http://www.kysoh.com/tux-droid/who-is-tux-droid/robot

[21:58:19]

wagnerrp:

i forget... did the multiple connection stuff go into -fixes? or is that only trunk?

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dustybin:

aye ok thanks

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Dibblah:

Multiple connection to...?

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wagnerrp:

frontend telnet socket

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wagnerrp:

until very recently, it only supported one simultaneous connection

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justinh:

only one simultaneous one?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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wagnerrp:

if you opened a second, it would terminate the first

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wagnerrp:

and half the time, the second didnt really work either

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oobe:

no its not in fixes

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dustybin:

ive found a way to change the channel straight from irssi, change the server and key:

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dustybin:

/exec -o expect -c 'spawn telnet mythfrontend.net 6546; expect ""; send "key 1\n"; interact' >> /dev/null

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yfaykya:

Anybody running trunk noticed fast playback in last 2–3 days? Just wondering was it a known issue

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justinh:

anybody running trunk actually following the -dev and -commits mailing lists where they might stay up to date with possible issues? Hmm?

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yfaykya:

justinh : Is that a dig? I read it all the time.

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yfaykya:

-v playback full of " Video is 3.13306 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up."

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yfaykya:

Audio is chipmunesque!

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yfaykya:

er chipmunk

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justinh:

well, it might help if you say it was alright until you updated something – or if you've not touched it & it just started happening

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yfaykya:

I said last 3 days

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justinh:

oh you know.. general info

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justinh:

did you update?

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yfaykya:

Implies I updated it since ?

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justinh:

nope

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yfaykya:

I update daily

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justinh:

you never said

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yfaykya:

Sorry – Thought it was implied but you assumed too :-)

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yfaykya:

anyways – Anyone else seeing it?

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justinh:

probably not if there are no open tickets on it

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yfaykya:

I tried diff playback profiles and toggling vsync but no difference.

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justinh:

sure the code is all that changed?

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yfaykya:

I will disect changesets to figure a version

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yfaykya:

I don't see any commits that should impact it

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justinh:

plan :)

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yfaykya:

justinh: r22933 looks like a canidate

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yfaykya:

Anyone know svn command to revert to a particular version?

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justinh:

svn revert?

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devinheitmueller:

yfaykya: svn update -r <target_version>

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Dagmar:

You should be able to just pull with -r

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yfaykya:

devin... : Thanks

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justinh:

oops svn revert is just for reversing local changes

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Dagmar:

I keep meaning to write a module for dbs that'll pull SVN sources but I keep putting it off

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yfaykya:

hope DB is not affected. HOT got an update today

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justinh:

HOT?

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yfaykya:

Head of tree

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yfaykya:

Compiling r22932 now and see if playback is ok.

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trumee:

anybody using a hauppage mce remote, http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productd . . . sku=A1225095

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trumee:

does anybody knows whether the irblaster on it would work?

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trumee:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote seems to suggest that on Version 1 mceusb irblaster doesnt work

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justinh:

well, good luck with the Freeview re-ballsup early tomorrow morning folks. I'm offski

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justinh:

FYI full scans won't work with trunk, 0.22 or 0.21.

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dserban:

trumee: that's a version 2, it works fine

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dserban:

oh wait

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dserban:

scratch that, I thought you were talking about the HP usb ir blaster

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trumee:

no it is a hauppauge ir blaster

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dserban:

trumee: is it the black remote/irblaster?

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yfaykya:

r22932 same issue. Will try further back tomorrow

[22:47:19]

trumee:

no it is white, third last on this page http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote

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trumee:

dserban, Hauppauge PVR- kit

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trumee:

dserban, silver rather

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yfaykya:

Ah crap – I need 22931

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dserban:

trumee: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote

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dserban:

lol!

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trumee:

dserban, ?

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trumee:

dserban, :)

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dserban:

trumee: sorry didn't realize you had typed that already heh

[22:49:19]

trumee:

dserban, ok, so how do i find out which is version 1 and which is version 2

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dserban:

trumee: how many ir devices are you trying to control?

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trumee:

dserban, at the moment a single one. but might increase to 2 in the future

[22:50:57]

dserban:

In reading the changelogs for lirc, 0.8.6 now supports port two of the ir send on version 1, so it'll work regardless. I'm not sure how you can tell what version it is.

[22:51:06]

dserban:

Other than having it there and testing it with lirc.

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trumee:

dserban, i think i will buy it. but how do i get hold an extra ir transmitter for the second port?

[22:54:12]

dserban:

trumee: on the wiki page it does state below the image, what version it is, unless I misunderstood which one you are referring to on that page.

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dserban:

trumee: do a search for "ir blaster" or "ir emitter" as long as it has a mini jack on it (like a mono headphone jack) it should just work.

[22:54:54]

trumee:

dserban, uh oh! i missed it.

[22:55:37]

trumee:

dserban, thanks for showing that. any idea how do i get an extra transmitter for the second port.

[22:55:54]

dserban:

do a search on ebay for "ir blaster" or "ir emitter"

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trumee:

dserban, yup i see the HP ones.

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dserban:

compatible

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dserban:

where are you? in the uk?

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trumee:

dserban, yes.

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trumee:

dserban, are these HP ones version 2 of mce?

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dserban:

yep

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trumee:

dserban, do you have any? They are quite cheap.

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dserban:

I have a hauppauge (black version), and a commandir ... waiting for the hp one to arrive still

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dserban:

they conform to RC6 which is a vista standard... which works with the newer versions of lirc

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trumee:

dserban, ok so we are not sure then whether they are indeed version 2?

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dserban:

I read online they are, though I couldn't tell you where

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dserban:

I'm still waiting for mine

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dserban:

cost me $9 CAD, couldn't go wrong with trying it

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dserban:

figure if it doesn't work, I'll let people know and sell it to some dumb-ass windows user :P

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trumee:

dserban, yup, not a bad idea. when do you expect it to arrive?

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dserban:

trumee: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VISIBLE-IR-Emitter-blas . . . t_1601wt_941

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dserban:

that's an ir emitter which would work with both I'd assume

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justinh:

visible IR? lol

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dserban:

it worked with my mce hauppauge setup

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trumee:

dserban, ah! i can live that.

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dserban:

oh .. yeah they blinky blinky

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dserban:

it's thupar.

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dserban:

knowing canada post, it'll be a while... shipped last week from hong kong :o so .. after christmas? :)

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