Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, November 28th, 2009, 00:03 UTC

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Thom-:

sphery, i'm sorry to bother you again, but i previously asked for a debug to log file function, which you gave me. I activated the chatlogging too late and now i lost the function you wrote in here :/

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Thom-:

do you mind to show it again?

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neztiti:

Dibblah: did u see the log ?

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mzb:

-v help

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justinh:

or look in the actual channel log

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justinh:

mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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Thom-:

yeah thats a cool function

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Thom-:

thanks :d

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Thom-:

aww no logging activated in mythfrontend

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iamlindoro:

What's to activate? Run it from a terminal, there's your log

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Thom-:

mhm i found a small bug and fixed it

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Thom-:

is there a platform i can put the fix for discussion?

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[R]:

file a bug report and attach the patch

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Thom-:

[R] could you tell me how to create a patch? I once saw a file with + and – prefixes on each line, but I assume no one makes those files by hand

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[R]:

diff

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[R]:

i'm like 90% sure the instructions on fileing a bug report

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[R]:

includes it

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iamlindoro:

Thom-, wht is it you fixed?

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Thom-:

the lib wasn't loading subtitles for files with []

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Thom-:

on the other hand i more changed a piece for myself... subtitles like Dexter.S01E01.ger.srt were not loaded, because the .avi is named Dexter.S01E01.srt. Other players automatically load those subs, but mythtv does not. I changed that for me, but I don't know if thats actually wanted

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Thom-:

thats why i asked if theres a plattform for such discussions

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iamlindoro:

Thom-Player loads srts for files with brackets in them fine here

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iamlindoro:

Just renamed a file with some brackets, renamed an SRT, and it opened fine

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Thom-:

not on my system

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Thom-:

i have the latest trunk.. is there a more actual version?

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iamlindoro:

No, I'm using latest trunk, and it works just fine here

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Thom-:

hm strange

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Thom-:

tested it many times

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Thom-:

Californication.S03E01.Wish.You.Were.Here.HDTV.XviD-FQM.avi -> Californication.S03E01.Wish.You.Were.Here.HDTV.XviD-FQM.srt loads

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Thom-:

Californication.S03E01.Wish.You.Were.Here.HDTV.XviD-FQM[VTV].avi -> Californication.S03E01.Wish.You.Were.Here.HDTV.XviD-FQM[VTV].srt loads not

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iamlindoro:

Take your stolen stuff elsewhere

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[R]:

:)

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Dagmar:

God more people too cheap to buy DVDs

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iamlindoro:

Think you were told earlier today that discussion of downloaded material is off limits in this channel and in this community

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Thom-:

i don't discuss the material

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Thom-:

did i?

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Thom-:

i discussed the [] problem

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Dagmar:

We can't and won't help with anything related to warezd material

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Thom-:

maybe its related to the filename

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Thom-:

oh i can buy the series in the usa

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Thom-:

but no german subs will be on the dvd

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Thom-:

i have to download them

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Thom-:

if i want to use subs

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Dagmar:

Do I look like a f**king moron?

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iamlindoro:

Thom-, Last warning

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iamlindoro:

that's not a "bought legitimately" filename

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iamlindoro:

And what's more, I just renamed a (legit, not stolen) filename to the one above, and it and the subtitle loaded FINE

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Thom-:

would you feel better, if i call it Sarahs.Wedding.Day01.Admission[5].avi

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iamlindoro:

so yes, it's related to you being a thief, and we don't want to help you here

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iamlindoro:

It wouldn't matter, since I told you, it's not the filename that's the problem.

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iamlindoro:

It's the fact that you're a thief

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iamlindoro:

so go away

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Thom-:

you're funny... if you tell me where i can watch the 3rd season of californication legally i'll do it. I have btw all cds of my series here as soon as they get to germany

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Thom-:

but whatever, i tried other files

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Thom-:

still doesn't work

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iamlindoro:

Thom-, please listen carefully

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iamlindoro:

I took a legitimately ripped file, renamed it as per your example above

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iamlindoro:

it played fine, as did the subtitle I renamed to match your example above

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[R]:

Thom-: just because you can't legally do something, doesn't mean you can do it illegally...

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iamlindoro:

in addition to that, if you cannot legally obtain something, you are expected to WAIT FOR IT TO COME OUT

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iamlindoro:

not being able to purchase it is NOT an excuse for stealing it

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iamlindoro:

so very last warning, stop this discussion, completely, or face a ban

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Thom-:

i didn't start that discussion

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iamlindoro:

jams, ping

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** Dagmar is glad he's pro-abortion. **

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dserban:

holy crap, i love my mythical convergence box

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dserban:

now to figure out how to stream my cd collection throughout the house ...

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[R]:

mythmusic

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dserban:

Thought about putting full-size atx case with a p2/500 in each of the rooms... but it's gawdy, and ugly

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dserban:

heh

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dserban:

rather a p3/500 gah... I've looked at roku stuff.. but it wouldn't fit/work with myth

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Did someone order a full moon early

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iamlindoro:

evidently

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dserban:

:o

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Dagmar:

Some guy got all pissy just now in another channel because the subject of large neod magnets came up, and I surmised that this monster with 363 lb pull on it might well be able to trip traffic sensors on my scooter

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Dagmar:

It was sarcasm

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Dagmar:

Good lord it would, and would probably pick up manhole cover or two

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dserban:

lol!

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Dagmar:

This kid wanted to insist that it doesn't actually work

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dserban:

On traffic lights? 'course it would.

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Dagmar:

He got all pissy about it because I insisted that yes indeed it does work, and that I'm not just speaking from theory, I drive a 250lb scooter so I actually HAVE to stick a magnet in my shoe

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Dagmar:

There's three lights between the office and my apt that have no idea I'm there until I stomp on that sensor'

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dserban:

what kinda scooter?

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Dagmar:

He actually went googling around to find people saying it didn't work to argue that I might possibly be wrong

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Dagmar:

Kymco Agility 125

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Dagmar:

I'm like, "I'm not talking about theory, man!"

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dserban:

Oh, I looked at a Kymco, does it have those heat vents at the front for your legs?

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Dagmar:

Heat vents?

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Dagmar:

Hah

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Dagmar:

I'm not sure I've even heard of a scooter with heaters

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Dagmar:

They're basically open-air.

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dserban:

Yeah, I rode one for a while, but I had to get rid of it... all highway driving to work and people got pissy at me holding up traffic.

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XLV:

real men dont need heat vents

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Dagmar:

The bit in front is basically to keep the wind off your knees

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Dagmar:

dserban: You musta been on a 50cc one then

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Dagmar:

Mine'll do 65mph, not that I bother since I'm just driving surface streets with it

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dserban:

Dagmar: yeah I know, but I looked at one last year with heaters ... basically, it's the radiator and you get the added benefit of having hot air blasted on your knees

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XLV:

Dagmar, kymco released a 150cc one recently, with diskbrakes on rear wheel too

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XLV:

nice price too, 1800 euro here

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Dagmar:

Yeah, that would involve a different class of licence

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Dagmar:

125cc and below you don't have to bother with a motorcycle endorsement on your licence

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dserban:

yeah, i gave up on the search, insurance was a B**ch to get

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Dagmar:

Geico.

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dserban:

different in canada :(

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Thom-:

ok strange – i tried a neutral file with a [ and it didn't work in mythtv neither in vlc. If i choose the subfile in vlc manually it works. Maybe the problem is mythbuntu related.. or vlc uses the same algorithm like mythtv

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Dagmar:

I'm like payin $113 a year or something

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dserban:

Seriously? I was looking at a 250 and I have a 16 year clean driving record... 3 grand because It'd be my first year with a motorcycle license

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wagnerrp:

man, how did 20 minutes of this FUSE crap turn into several hours...

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Dagmar:

dserban: Freaky. Were you including THEFT insurance tho?

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dserban:

Thom-: seriously bro, give it up.

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Dagmar:

around here that _easily_ makes it prohibitively expensive for new scooters

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dserban:

hmm I don't remember, I was basically matching what I had on my car

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dserban:

the insurance was almost more than the scooter

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Dagmar:

Hilbillies like to snatch them and pop them in the back of their trucks/vans

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Dagmar:

Sounds like you were getting a quote that involved theft insurance

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Thom-:

whatever, just tried to contribute my part to the project.

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Dagmar:

Thom-: Bullshit

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Dagmar:

You want it to work with warez.

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dserban:

probably, I honestly don't remember.

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Dagmar:

We rather DON'T want it to work with warez.

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Thom-:

why? it works for me now

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wagnerrp:

we want to have no involvement in such matters

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wagnerrp:

people already think were a bunch of pirates

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Dagmar:

because the more of you IDIOTS there are around who have no problems telling strangers "HEY I PIRATE MEDIA AND I USE MYTHTV TO SEE IT" the higher the chances are the project will get sued

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Thom-:

wtf? So a working subtitle finding system is a warez only related problem?

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Dagmar:

When a tool's predominant use becomes to faciliate criminal acts, it _loses_ it's protected status as a tool

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Thom-:

i understand that thats a sensitive topic, but I don't know somehow in germany watching us tv shows is not such a big deal

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Thom-:

only a few people like the shows in english and we've build a huge subtitle community

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Dagmar:

Oh, did Germany finally repeal those pesky intellectual property laws?

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dserban:

wow, I just deleted my long spiel, someone else can smite you.

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Dagmar:

Here I was thinking people were getting pissed at Rapidshare for handing over downloader records for nothing

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Dagmar:

...and you can stop running your mouth about the subtitles.

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Dagmar:

You showed us the filename that would mean you think we're freaking IDIOTS if we can't tell from looking at it that your avi file is warez'd

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dserban:

hah, myth should have logic to refuse to play it based on filename :P

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Thom-:

you HAVE to get those files if you want to get subs for us tv shows

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Dagmar:

No. You don't.

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[R]:

dserban: seeing as its open source... that woudln't really do much

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Dagmar:

So yeah, just keep insulting our intelligence with these claims

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Dagmar:

[R]: Note the number of people who are paralyzed by this

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[R]:

lol

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Dagmar:

It actually _would_ hinder a lot of them

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dserban:

Yep, and you could roll back the diffs when things get patched :P

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dserban:

Or just remove write access from svn

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Dagmar:

If you made the least bit attempt at obfuscation, the average user being about as bright as a squirrel, would have no way to stop it

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dserban:

Dagmar: then that would involve compiling the source etc etc... so much hassle

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Dagmar:

Yep.

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wagnerrp:

well mythvideo already fails to parse the names properly

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Dagmar:

The benefits of piracy should be reserved and limited to the dedicated few who understand discretion, moderation, and that you DO actually have to spend some money to keep that economy going

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Dagmar:

...not just any asshole who can click on a torrent link and squeal appropriately when the inevitable shakedown letter comes from shady lawyers.

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Dagmar:

Piracy _encourages_ racketeering like that.

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Thom-:

thats funny, cause if you'd knew the german subtitle community you would know, that almost everyone has a huge regal proudly filled with our loved tv shows

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Dagmar:

...and probably hard drives filled to choking with things you didn't buy.

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wagnerrp:

if youre subtitling off the DVD videos, theyre all going to be of the same length and cut, and subtitles will work just fine on everyone's personal rip

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Dagmar:

Exactly.

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dserban:

heh, security by obscurity, I like it!

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dserban:

My CEO seems to think that's the ultimate answer when writing/designing software

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wagnerrp:

dserban: theres 'obscurity' and then theres just not proclaiming 'i downloaded these files' to the internets

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Dagmar:

It's not like someone's DVD ripper is going to be running slightly slow one day

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Thom-:

yeah but no one does that – you have to wait a whole year for the next lost season... the subbers do that one day after the show is aired

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, jams, ping?

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Thom-:

the subs are mostly so bad, that the user created ones are way better

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Dagmar:

Ah yes so there's no point in trying to subscribe to the channels they're aired on

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Dagmar:

None at all

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Thom-:

you can't?

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Thom-:

how?

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Dagmar:

Obviously you can't

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Thom-:

yes it's not possible

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Thom-:

i tried to get hbo

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Thom-:

no chance

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Dagmar:

...or you wouldn't still eb running your mouth about how you didn't actually pirate that video and we're all freaking morons

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Thom-:

no you're just juging people you don't know, from other countrys where the morallity related to the us tv shows is very different to the us

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Dagmar:

Seeing also as how you clearly speak English quite well, I really find the argument that you might _need_ subtitles in German to be even more questionable

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Dagmar:

Ah now it's a morality issue

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Thom-:

oh i do not anymore

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Thom-:

i learned english

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Thom-:

with the subs

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iamlindoro:

xris, Dibblah, etc? Available for a ban?

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Dagmar:

Screw the legal issues, it's only the localized version of morality that matters.

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Thom-:

it's the best way

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Dagmar:

How about we talk about that morality

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Dagmar:

How many jews you guys got left?

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Thom-:

hah you funny

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Thom-:

i'm born in poland

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Dagmar:

clearly, localized morality does _not_ work

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Thom-:

how about that... how could the company loose any money when i watch their show? I can't watch it here and I can't buy it anywhere

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dserban:

Oh wow. Seriously?

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure HBO is available in Poland

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Thom-:

you can't get hbo in germany.

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Dagmar:

Yes, you can. And you can get it in Poland.

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Thom-:

tell me how

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Thom-:

and i will get it

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Dagmar:

http://www.hbo.pl/

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Thom-:

?

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Thom-:

do you know where germany is?

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Dagmar:

Exactly none of it matters

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Dagmar:

WE still won't care

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Dagmar:

We don't do pirated media here you moron

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Thom-:

yes and i didn't ask about pirated media

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iamlindoro:

Thom-, MythTv as a project exists in the United States. Which means the rules of the project, and its support channels are those of the United States

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iamlindoro:

So you need to cut out the argument about why you think it's okay. In THIS CHANNEL, it's not.

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Dagmar:

Claiming you're in poland one moment and then germany the next like it even matters doesn't affect that

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iamlindoro:

And even the argument is a vioaltion of our rules

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Dagmar:

Cry to mommy about it if you don't like it

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iamlindoro:

so either obey the rules, or I'll wait until the next time our ops are around and make sure you won't be around any more

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iamlindoro:

end of discussion

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dserban:

iamlindoro: hey what's the holdup with .23? =D

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** iamlindoro pushes it back another month **

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iamlindoro:

for character building

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dserban:

hehe

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** dserban has big strong character **

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flithm:

Hey everyone... I just installed 0.22 (22594) (upgraded from 0.21), and now none of the video watching stuff works? The plugin is loaded and I can see the folders and videos in there but they are just black squares (looks like a thumbnail should go there), and I can't play anything?

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flithm:

anyone know what I might be doing wrong?

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dserban:

flithm: you mean mythweb of course?

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flithm:

dserban: no, not using mythweb. I'm trying to use the mythvideo plugin to play video files like avis and stuff

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[R]:

flithm: what is the error in the log?

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dserban:

ah crap, .22 well I need to upgrade first myself before I can help :(

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flithm:

[R]: I don't see anything in the mythbackend.log, or the client's console output. I just click the select the movie I want to watch, a new window pops up that says Directed by: Unknown, etc, with a button that says...

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flithm:

LOL

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flithm:

the new theme messed me up

[02:03:51]

flithm:

the hilighted button is dark instead of light

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flithm:

I thought I needed to move over to Play, but I was switching it to Done

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[R]:

flithm: and then you hit play, then something happens...

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flithm:

lol yeah, it plays perfectly fine

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flithm:

thanks :)

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Thom-:

night

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flithm:

okay so next question, how do I get rid of all the black squares where thumbs should go. Is there any auto-thumb generator thing? can I disable all this fancy stuff and go back to the way 0.21 was?

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wagnerrp:

flithm: 'w'

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flithm:

that's it... w? :)

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flithm:

nice!

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wagnerrp:

'w' will run the respective grabber

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wagnerrp:

ttvdb for stuff with a season and episode number

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wagnerrp:

tmdb for everything else

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wagnerrp:

not that you will have to rescan your directories to get ttvdb to properly work

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flithm:

weird, it was working, but now w does nothing

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flithm:

this 'w' interface is a bit clunky

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flithm:

is there any way to do it en masse?

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flithm:

I really have to click each file?

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flithm:

almost every other media program automatically figures this stuff out for you

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flithm:

mythtv is really falling behind the times

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flithm:

the new interface is years behind where every other program is

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flithm:

that being said, myth does many things way better than others too

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flithm:

don't want to just knock it. It's still awesome. Just... the interface. is sooo bad.

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flithm:

anyway thanks for the help... appreciate it!

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dserban:

hmm nothing like kickin' people in the nuts... why don't people understand that an open source project is just that... you can contribute to make it better asswipe...

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dserban:

oh... he left

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jblack:

Does the 0.22 ui run noticeably slower than 0.21 ?

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Brad-D:

jblack: haven't noticed that, but i suppose it could depend on your theme

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jblack:

Ok.

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Brad-D:

i think as you lump on all the coverart, and fanart, and metadata it will get a little slower (as expected)

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Brad-D:

but nothing that stops me from using it :)

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jblack:

That could be.. however, I'm seeing 20 second pauses going from the main menu to the programs list.

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Brad-D:

i definitely don't experience that

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Brad-D:

does mythfrontend logs say anything odd?

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jblack:

havent' gotten that far yet.

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jblack:

I'm in the process of upgrading my other, more typical frontend.

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Brad-D:

ahh i expect you have some sort of configuration problem, you should be able to improve your performance

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jblack:

Nope, nothing in the log.

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Brad-D:

try again with mythfrontend -v all

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Brad-D:

will give you much more verbose feedback

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jblack:

That's what I figure. Just wanted to check for "obvious" here first

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jblack:

the backend seems to not have any complaints, so that's good.

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** jblack wishes he didn't have to upgrade all his machines in lockstep like this **

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Dagmar:

jblack: Make binary packages. Problem solved.

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jblack:

dagmar: I'm _using_ binary packages. official ubuntu ones.

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Dagmar:

So how's it a problem to upgrade multiple machines at once then?

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jblack:

Well, sometimes you forget yoru server doesn't automatically run update-grub, causing 3 hours of bitching because the pata cable is too short to reach the cd drive to boot a rescue cd that you had to download over the 3g network because the server isn't booting.

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Dagmar:

Oh joy

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jblack:

yeah. typical one-off crap.

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jblack:

btw, ubuntu's karmic's mountall segv's on 2.6.28, but does fine on 2.6.31

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Loto:

no one has seen any gfx hardware that supports HDMI-CEC have they?

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jblack:

at least I didn't have crypto problems on my laptop this time around.

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** jblack shudders to see what happens on pluto, the tiny little eeepc **

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** jblack wtfs **

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[R]:

Loto: there is some kind of extrnal box that supports it

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wagnerrp:

[R]: yeah... starting at $100

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wagnerrp:

is CEC support even that common among AV hardware?

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jblack:

ohhh man

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[R]:

i had a sweet samsung dvd player once

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[R]:

that would automatically set the input on the tv

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[R]:

and it was an audio receiver also... so when it was turned on, doing the volume on the tv actually controleld its volume

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[R]:

and when it was off, doing the tvolume on the tv changed the tvs volume

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Brad-D:

[r] have you ever checked out harmony remotes?

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[R]:

way too expensive

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[R]:

what does that have to do with anything

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Brad-D:

just saw your comments about the dvd player controlling the tv

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Brad-D:

made me think of harmony

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Brad-D:

haha

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wagnerrp:

if youve got a harmony, you dont need CEC

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jblack:

what's a good starting debug level?

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wagnerrp:

most

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jblack:

aha

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jblack:

so, the eeepc's frontend wont' start because it doesn't like the timezone.

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jblack:

wait. so what if timezones don't match between the frontend and backend

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clever:

jblack: all hell breaks loose, and to protect you it refuses to start intead of opening the gates of hell

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jblack:

wel, maybe I can nudge the frontend into finding an est timezone

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clever:

just set TZ to the proper value

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clever:

export TZ=something;mythfrontend

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clever:

the frontend probly mentioned what zone the server is running in with the exact name you need in TZ

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jblack:

Ok, this is... huh

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jblack:

I don't think I like that theme

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jblack:

yeah, both of them have '%|SUBTITLE"... some other stuff for about 20 seconds.

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clever:

that usualy only shows up if something is wrong

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** jblack nods **

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jblack:

I'm watching the frontend trying to get previews, so I'm thinking config is no longer there

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clever:

or your hostname changed, so it cant find the config

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jblack:

it seems to think pluto is still pluto

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jblack:

yeah, use custom identifier pluto

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jblack:

Hrmmm.

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jblack:

I have "Display live preview of recordings" off, but it's still trying to do RemoteGetPreviewIfModified

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jblack:

oh, hrmmm. it's worse than that.

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wagnerrp:

youre running 0.21?

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jblack:

I was. Now I'm doing 0.22.

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jblack:

Right now I'm chasing down a nfs problem

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wagnerrp:

there is no live preview in 0.22

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jblack:

ls: cannot access 6561_20090921200000.mpg.tmp: Input/output error

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wagnerrp:

that means NFS is not mounted

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jblack:

It's more complicated than that, but that's the right ballpark

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wagnerrp:

rather, it was mounted, and has since lost connection

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wagnerrp:

stale

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jblack:

Yeah. It's stale.

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jblack:

I'm thining the nfs server on mercury is deeply confused.

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quantum_:

I almost got mythtv running again. just compiled from the source and re-installed, however, of course alsa is failing

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quantum_:

No package alsa-kmdl-2.6.27.9–159.fc10.x86_64 available.

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quantum_:

is there any way to compile it

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jblack:

I'm sorry, but I can't find the #@@#@ mythtv directory setting. Where is it?

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quantum_:

directory setting?

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quantum_:

I downloaded alsa but of course it won't compile, gives /tmp/alsa-driver-1.0.21/include/adriver.h:106: error: redefinition of typedef ‘fmode_t’

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quantum_:

what the heck is that

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jblack:

Ahh, that timezone problem seemed to have something to do with it

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jblack:

That's mostly working.

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jblack:

There's something odd going with nfs, but that's outside nfs.

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jblack:

that's outside of myth, I mean

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jblack:

Man, I can't figure out why it's taking 90 seconds to get an ls of /var/lib/myth/mythtv

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jblack:

kernel nfsd, user nfsd, unnfsd... all of 'em the same thing

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clever:

how many files in the dir?

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jblack:

about 4100. "ls | wc -l" works instantly over nfs, but "ls" takes 90 seconds.

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clever:

and dont use ls like that

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jblack:

and I wasn't aware of any problem like this before upgrading my backend box.

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clever:

ls will do alot of extra stuff you dont need

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clever:

try echo * | wc -w

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clever:

or just echo *

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clever:

it will do basicaly the same thing, with alot less wasted cpu

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clever:

and posibly less wasted bandwidth on the nfs level

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jblack:

I don't think we're on the same page.

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clever:

ls will do alot more then just list the files

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clever:

it will also stat() every file in the directory

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jblack:

at 11:50 am, no problem. at 11:50pm, problem. between the two, an upgrade of the backend box from jaunty to karmic.

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jblack:

since which, the frontend program list is sluggish.

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jblack:

echo * is practically instant.

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clever:

and the frontend doesnt get the recording list via nfs

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sphery:

though if you broke your clocks, it would affect preview gen/regen if you have NFS

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jblack:

I'm pretty sure it's doing fstats though.

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clever:

jblack: thats probly done at the backend

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jblack:

The timezones are fixed post upgrade.

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sphery:

and saying, "upgrade of the backend box from jaunty to karmic," says, "I broke my distro," as it doesn't mention any change to Myth

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jblack:

which did result in about 1/2 a dozen confused files, since resolved.

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sphery:

jblack: I said clock, not time zone

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jblack:

I have ntp on the backend an dthe frontends, and I did see the clocks syncronize. i'll double check you want

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sphery:

double check

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sphery:

and, unmount any NFS shares

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sphery:

and see if it's still slow

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jblack:

Clocks are within 1 second.

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sphery:

if not, it's preview gen

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sphery:

if so, it's something else

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jblack:

I've rebooted the test machine and backend repeatedly, between nfs server changes.

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sphery:

still unmount all nfs mounts

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sphery:

It changes how Myth accesses/uses/gens previews

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sphery:

I'm also assuming it was 0.22 before and after the upgrade

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sphery:

if not, it could be any of a number of other things

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jblack:

Ok, I'm seeing for "%|"SUBTITLE|" %STARS^ '... for about 6 seconds before I get the shows list.

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sphery:

yeah, that happens in a broken theme when there are no previews

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sphery:

er, no recordings in the list

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sphery:

(my fingers don't know what they're typing)

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jblack:

I have previews for the most recent shows

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clever:

yep i get the same thing

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sphery:

once you get recordings, that gets replaced with real info

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clever:

the backend also sometimes falsely reports no recordings and causes the same thign

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sphery:

but it's unrelated to the issue at hand

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jblack:

scrolling up and down all programs isn't so bad, an about as expected. switching bteween groups, is very painful

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sphery:

backend saying no recordings is really a socket error, which would show up in logs

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jblack:

I don't even want previews. I don't know why they're showing, as I turned them off in the menu

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sphery:

you can't turn them off in the menus--never could

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sphery:

you could turn off live previews, but they don't exist in 0.22

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jblack:

The little static picture? Yes, I had them off.

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jblack:

in 0.21, at any rate

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Captain_Murdoch:

you turned off the live preview settings (ie, the video setting). 0.22 only supports the preview image and you can't turn that off.

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sphery:

yeah, in mythui'ed playback box, you couldn't

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sphery:

you could turn off the live video (at least for a while--I think the setting is still there), but it's not hooked to anything

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sphery:

still, we need to know what happens when you disconnect nfs mounts on the frontend system

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jblack:

I unmounted it, and it remounted automatically (autofs)

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jblack:

I'll stop autofs

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jblack:

ok, with nfs unmounted, "%|"SUBTITLE|"% %STARS% %DESCRIPTION

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jblack:

and it's still there

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jblack:

ok, it finished. I'd say about 30–45 seconds of that

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jblack:

the second time was much faster.. about 6–7 seconds

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jblack:

Oh, here's something.. the drive is going crazy.

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jblack:

oh, never mind that

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sphery:

jblack: I'd guess that means that your frontend is regenerating previews every time because it and your backend disagree on time for some reason

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jblack:

or it might still be trying to generate previews?

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sphery:

does the time that the backend status page shows ( http://backendhost:6544/ --the time is in the title, which should be in the title bar of the browser) agree with the time the frontend program shows on screen

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jblack:

I have well over 1000 tv shows

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sphery:

it's possible that's it

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jblack:

like I mentioend, I run ntp, and they're synced.

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sphery:

if all your previews were invalid (from copying/bad timestamps), then they'd all need regenerating

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sphery:

still, it's the process that's important

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sphery:

thus why I wanted you to look at the backend status page (backend time) and the frontend screen (frontend time)

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jblack:

switching between groups is painful. i.e. from 20/20 to 60 minutes

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jblack:

but scrolling up and down in all programs seems ok

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jblack:

i'll poke at it for a few days and figure out a sane pattern.

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jblack:

that'll make diagnosis much easier

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wagnerrp:

sphery: so much for '20 minutes' eh?

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sphery:

20 mins?

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wagnerrp:

'i can probably whip something together with the bindings and fuse api in 20 minutes'

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sphery:

heh, still working?

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wagnerrp:

off and on, cant seem to send fuse the data in the manner it wants

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sphery:

:(

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sphery:

but, it's a learning exercise

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sphery:

therefore, not a waste of time :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, unless im missing something stupid simple

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sphery:

in which case, you'd learn the hard way to look for that something next time :)

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czth:

is there any reason why in my replacement for the tmdb.pl script, i couldn't pop up UI to ask the user to choose a movie poster to use?

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wagnerrp:

you didnt follow the proper grabber syntax

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czth:

would X or mythfrontend get angsty about it?

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wagnerrp:

why are you writing your own replacement?

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sphery:

the grabber should send back info to MythVideo, then MythVideo will pop up the dialog

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czth:

for one thing, to be able to pick a poster i like. for another, because sometimes i use different naming conventions.

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sphery:

yeah, tmdb.pl is internation, so why do you need another

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czth:

for a third, i want to do some syncing up with my own db

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sphery:

stolenfilenameparser.pl?

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czth:

nothing of the sort

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sphery:

anyway, you just set the title appropriately in MythVideo before searching and all works

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wagnerrp:

well anyway, mythvideo has no support for selection of imagery

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sphery:

and remember title != filename

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wagnerrp:

it just makes its own choice

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wagnerrp:

you *should* be able to pop up a selection dialog to do so

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czth:

right, but i'd like to prompt for it. tmdb.pl picks the first poster now I believe.

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wagnerrp:

but it will have to be completely independent of myth

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czth:

sure, i'd just return back the one the user chose. myth need have no idea.

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wagnerrp:

so you have to be running a window manager for focus to work properly

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wagnerrp:

and you may have to manually set the DISPLAY

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czth:

i am, i have a NES emulator that needed it a while back

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wagnerrp:

i dont know how much of the environment mythvideo sends to it

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czth:

as long as it's not a hopeless endeavor. :). i'm sure there are plenty of existing image pickers i could use from py/pl.

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jblack:

so, why is myth using up about 10% of the cpu while sitting there doing "nothing" ?

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jblack:

closer to 15%.

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sphery:

jblack: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7525

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jblack:

Ahh. That sounds reasonable

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jblack:

sphery: Thanks for all the help this evening. That was nice of you

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sphery:

I just wish we got to the bottom of the slow Watch Recordings issue :(

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jblack:

It'll pop it's head up eventually.

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jblack:

clearly the back-end is acting funny in more than one way.

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jblack:

pardon, the server the backend is on.

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jblack:

Mysql on that server is old. I think it's held at 5.0. That could do it right there.

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jblack:

etcetra etcetra.

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sphery:

might also want to run an optmize_mythdb.pl

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jblack:

That sounds promising

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jblack:

2116 programs is too many programs.

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jblack:

seriously.. why do I need 30 washington weeks...

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sphery:

Yeah, that is a lot. Might just be slow because of that

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sphery:

but I'd guess there's more--it seem too slow

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jblack:

yeah. and things were fine this morning in 0.21

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jblack:

I'd start slewing piles of stuff if I could remember which remote button I bound for tag

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jblack:

and tomorrow I'll figure out what I did to also on the frontend.

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jblack:

to alsa, that is

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justinh:

:-O 50in plasma power consumption 435Watts!

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Makere:

plasma <3

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AndyCap:

Ok. The upgrade functionality is cool. :)

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paco__:

hi all people, good morning

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paco__:

i have an issue with af9015, have this card working fine, is a dvb-t on pci slot, but, when i restart the computer, i cant watch channels, if i meed a shutdown, later i can watch all

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paco__:

* DjMadness (n=DjMadnes@pdpc/supporter/student/DjMadness) ha entrado en #v4l

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paco__:

ups xD

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paco__:

sorry

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AndyCap:

hmmm, now to find a tool to un-utf8 utf8. :P

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jasa_:

Hey, i made a svn compile on, where could i find the init script for the backend ?

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laga_:

in contrib/

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jasa_:

Yeah, seems so, thanks for quick answer.

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jasa_:

Actually now to remember i did search that previously too, just remembered from the answer. -.-

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stoth:

So I'm taking a second bite at the HVR1800 mythtv cherry. Looking at the debug logs the format is being set to 480x480, and it looks really shitty. Is that normal?

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stoth:

(tuner debug I mean)

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flithm:

Hey everyone... since upgrading to 0.22 from 0.21 every time I play a video the player resets my graphics car's "Hue" setting so that everything is blue. Is there an option for this somewhere?

[15:47:14]

justinh:

sounds like you had it adjusted in 0.21 & you need to reset it to zero

[15:47:42]

flithm:

I very well may have (although I don't remember doing that). At any rate do you know how I can reset it to zero?

[15:48:01]

flithm:

I've been poking around the settings and can't find anything

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justinh:

bring up the picture controls during playback & turn the hue down to zero again

[15:48:38]

justinh:

G if i remember right

[15:49:52]

flithm:

nice! totally did the trick thanks :)

[15:50:25]

flithm:

one final one... everytime I start myth now it asks me to select a cd drive

[15:50:30]

flithm:

is there an option for that too?

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justinh:

usually somewhere in the setup options

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justinh:

never had mythfrontend pester me for the optical drive whereabouts before

[15:59:03]

trumee:

guys, i am planning to convert my dvd iso files to mkv using makemkv, i was wondering whether mythvideo can cope with multiple audio tracks/subtitles in mkv files?

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wagnerrp:

yes

[15:59:23]

wagnerrp:

selectable via the on-screen-menu

[15:59:30]

trumee:

i want to make use of Storage groups.

[15:59:36]

wagnerrp:

subtitles.... not so much

[15:59:39]

trumee:

wagnerrp, that is good

[15:59:55]

trumee:

oh, i do need the subtitles.

[16:00:14]

wagnerrp:

the internal player at current does not support packaged mkv subtitles

[16:00:25]

wagnerrp:

but you can split it out to a .srt file if you need them

[16:00:30]

trumee:

also, is it possible to convert from dvd (mpg2) to mkv and and back to dvd.

[16:00:47]

justinh:

why? L-O

[16:00:49]

trumee:

incase i want to play them on a regular play.

[16:00:57]

trumee:

*player

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wagnerrp:

understand that makemkv will almost certainly not copy the dvd subtitles to mkv in a usable form

[16:01:11]

wagnerrp:

AFAIK, mkv only supports text-based subtitles

[16:01:32]

wagnerrp:

if you want to play them in a regular player, just use the dvd you have

[16:01:47]

justinh:

muh, but the rental shop wants them back! :-O

[16:02:00]

trumee:

i tried it on one of the iso's and played it through mplayer. i was able to see the subtitles in mplayer.

[16:02:34]

wagnerrp:

well i dont know what it does off hand, but mythtv does not understand mkv subtitles

[16:02:44]

wagnerrp:

although honestly, i have no idea why it bothers remuxing to mkv

[16:02:51]

wagnerrp:

since that script is a direct copy, it does not transcode

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trumee:

i guess i can salvage the .srt using mplayer. How should i rename them so that mythvideo can pick them up.

[16:03:45]

wagnerrp:

same title, different extension

[16:04:02]

justinh:

one thing some people can't stand is playing dvds in the original quality they came in – so to get around it they transcode the original dvd to some lossy format, then back to dvd again

[16:04:17]

trumee:

and the same srt file will have all the different languages in it?

[16:04:23]

justinh:

probably not

[16:04:30]

justinh:

stupid foreign films

[16:04:49]

wagnerrp:

nope, just one language, timestamped to the movie

[16:05:00]

wagnerrp:

mplayer will NOT generate a srt

[16:05:14]

wagnerrp:

if it does have subtitles, its somehow just using the image-based ones

[16:05:25]

justinh:

you totally need OCR to generate SRTs from DVD subs

[16:05:35]

wagnerrp:

totally

[16:05:38]

justinh:

cos they're bitmap sequences

[16:06:03]

justinh:

and it wouldn't be what you could call totally automagical either knowing how reliable OCR is

[16:06:37]

trumee:

uggh! that is not good then. mplayer can show various subtitle languages.

[16:06:44]

justinh:

so can mythtv

[16:06:58]

trumee:

this article says one can get .srt from dvd using mplayer, http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Ripping_DVD_to_Matroska_and_H.264

[16:07:12]

justinh:

that article is wrong

[16:07:53]

wagnerrp:

you MUST run OCR on the dvd subs, and mplayer will not do that

[16:07:54]

justinh:

huh? mplayer can dump streams?

[16:08:02]

justinh:

heh

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trumee:

oops, there is some other program, subtitleripper

[16:08:20]

justinh:

but no, we're certainly right about mplayer not converting subs though

[16:09:03]

justinh:

or you could just install handbrake

[16:09:33]

wagnerrp:

mount the image, and do a proper transcode

[16:10:03]

justinh:

or get more storage & just keep the whole ISO

[16:10:08]

trumee:

ok, so with mythvideo and mkv, i can only have one srt file. But what about menus, can mkv store all the menu information which mythvideo can display. my goal here is keep maximum information but change from .iso to mkv so that i can use Storage Groups.

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[16:10:16]

wagnerrp:

well he cant keep the ISO

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wagnerrp:

because he want to use SGs now

[16:10:28]

wagnerrp:

and cant wait until march or so

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justinh:

just use NFS til SGs support ISO

[16:10:34]

justinh:

sheesh

[16:11:08]

justinh:

dunno if mythvideo supports mkv fancy stuff like menus etc

[16:11:19]

trumee:

hang on, is SG support for iso being developed. my impression was that libdvdcss is holding it back.

[16:11:32]

justinh:

it might, if the ffmpeg libs incorporated into mythtv last sync support it

[16:11:34]

wagnerrp:

you are correct

[16:11:54]

wagnerrp:

libdvdcss wants block access to the data

[16:11:58]

justinh:

heh

[16:12:01]

justinh:

NFS ftw then

[16:12:07]

justinh:

it's not that big a hassle

[16:12:13]

trumee:

i dont like NFS :(

[16:12:29]

justinh:

awww

[16:12:34]

iamlindoro:

<wagnerrp> the internal player at current does not support packaged mkv subtitles

[16:12:36]

wagnerrp:

however the intent is to encapsulate the libraries and overload the file access routines with ones that support storage groups

[16:12:37]

iamlindoro:

Yes it does

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wagnerrp:

oh? when did you add that?

[16:12:58]

iamlindoro:

I didn't, it's been there for ages

[16:13:15]

trumee:

ah, some light here.

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justinh:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway

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iamlindoro:

Granted, I think it only parses some types of them ATM

[16:16:29]

stoth:

iamlindoro: a question

[16:16:34]

iamlindoro:

sure

[16:16:45]

stoth:

iamlindoro: (working on the hvr1800 support again)

[16:16:50]

trumee:

i need to try that then. what about menus. does mkv retain menus from dvd's?

[16:16:56]

iamlindoro:

no

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wagnerrp:

i thought i recalled a bunch of people complaining that there was no mkv subtitle support back in the 0.22 dev cycle

[16:17:04]

stoth:

when selecting a card type from the myth setup menu, the closest thing is the ivtv, right?

[16:17:12]

iamlindoro:

stoth, correct

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stoth:

yet it stops and starts the encoder between channel changes.

[16:17:47]

trumee:

so mkv is not a good file format to retain menus. too bad.

[16:17:59]

iamlindoro:

stoth, right, does so to create a new recording file for each channel change

[16:18:12]

stoth:

Oh, that's the only reason?

[16:18:37]

iamlindoro:

stoth, presumably also to account for the fact that we also allow different video and audio settings per channel too

[16:18:45]

stoth:

I'm also finding that the app is calling for 480x480 resolution and 32000khz audio. I'm wondering why?

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iamlindoro:

stoth, That's the default recording profile, you're meant to change it

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wagnerrp:

mp4 supports menus, but i do not believe mythtv supports them (i dont think nearly anyone supports them)

[16:19:14]

stoth:

oh... can I specify diff audio freq per chanenel? If so, where, I don't seem to see it.

[16:19:25]

stoth:

ahh.... grr, thanks.

[16:19:34]

stoth:

iamlindoro: let me go through the menus again and try to find that.

[16:19:41]

iamlindoro:

stoth, not different audio frequency per channel, but different hue, color, contrast, brightness, etc.

[16:19:42]

stoth:

backend or frontend?

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iamlindoro:

stoth, frontend, you're looking for "recording profiles"

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wagnerrp:

the XML structure of mkv will support menus, but ive not actually heard of anyone implementing it

[16:20:27]

iamlindoro:

Util/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Recording Profiles

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trumee:

wagnerrp, thanks.

[16:24:41]

wagnerrp:

ugh... forgot to plug in the mouse last night again

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stoth:

iamlindoro: thx

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trumee:

so, the best option for now is to stick with ISOs. There is no fileformat which can display dvd-menu, multiple subtitles in mythvideo?

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wagnerrp:

menu's no... if Internal does support mkv subtitles, it should support multiples

[16:29:30]

trumee:

wagnerrp, i am going to test that out. any idea when ISOs will be supported by Storage Groups? assuming that it is possible.

[16:30:23]

wagnerrp:

some time before the expected 0.23 freeze in february

[16:31:47]

trumee:

cool. one of the problems i have found in 0.22 is that if i fast forward an iso and play it,the video/audio gets out of sync. I have to rewind it a for a second for the sync to get ok.

[16:33:52]

wagnerrp:

see if its listed under trac, if not, add it

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trumee:

wagnerrp, it might be my network, i use an homeplug. how can i get a log, do i need to check the mythbackend log?

[16:37:37]

wagnerrp:

frontend

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wagnerrp:

playback is all done on the frontend

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XLV:

anyone knows of any internal sata 2 port to 5 sata2 ports port multiplier? i can only find esata to 5 sata2, or sata1 internal

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trumee:

oh ok, that is better than. i will create a log for frontend.

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XLV:

this is the esata to five sata 2

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XLV:

http://www.addonics.com/products/host_controller/ad5sapm-e.asp

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XLV:

this is the sata1 to five sata1 internal http://www.addonics.com/products/host_controller/AD5HPMSXA.asp

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wagnerrp:

where does it say its only sata 1.0?

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XLV:

wagnerrp, nowhere, i just assume it..

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XLV:

wagnerrp, nope you are right

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wagnerrp:

everything at the bottom seems to indicate its 2.0

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XLV:

Auto-negotiation support for 1.5Gbps and 3.0Gbps SATA

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XLV:

yeap, a closer look was needed

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XLV:

jmicron chip though.. how well it would work with a sil 3124 4port sata2 controller?

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wagnerrp:

does it support port expanders? a lot of controllers dont

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wagnerrp:

XLV: depending on how much expansion capability you want, something like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816151061 may be better than a bunch of +4 extenders

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wagnerrp:

although now that i think about it, four extenders will actually have more (theoretical) bandwidth than this

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DjMadness:

What size should the channel icons be ? i seam to have squashed icons in the EPG and the channel info. its vertical size thats the issue (i am using screen resolution 1024*768)

[17:23:04]

quantum_:

I am trying to get alsay running not sure what to do...it sounds like alsa is part of the kernel, it stoped working again when I did some upgrades. Not sure what to do now. I tried to find kerenl sournce. that is not available. Tried to download and compile alsa-drivers, that does not compile. try aplay and it says no such file or directory

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DjMadness:

quantum_: you need alsa-utils package for the aplay etc

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quantum_:

yeah alsa-utils is installed, the command exists, but it just won't run

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quantum_:

[root@charity sounds]# aplay strom.wav

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quantum_:

aplay: main:583: audio open error: No such file or directory

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DjMadness:

quantum_: ah, loaded your drivers ? (simple alsaconf could do it for you), (however the init script should be run)

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quantum_:

service alsa start ?

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DjMadness:

quantum_: yes

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quantum_:

alsaconf does not exist, service alsa start failes with alsa: unrecognized service

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DjMadness:

quantum_: but really alsa related problems should be asked in #alsa (or your distro's channel) its not exactly mythtv related.

[17:28:58]

quantum_:

yeah I hear you, but no one seems alive there, I think this is probably a simple problem since it was working, just not sure what else to try, I have kind of reached a dead end

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DjMadness:

quantum_: true... sorry however i aint that good with alsa issues... i allways seam to have them my self ;)

[17:30:53]

quantum_:

yeah no problem. what does dmesg show about alsa for you. If I do lsmod I don't see alsa there

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quantum_:

any idea what the alsa module the kernel loads is called? I could try to load that and see if it fails

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DjMadness:

my stuff is in kernel (not as module)

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DjMadness:

[ 0.923645] ALSA device list:

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DjMadness:

[ 0.923649] #0: SB Audigy 2 Value [SB0400] (rev.0, serial:0x10011102) at 0x9400, irq 3

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quantum_:

lsmod |grep -i alsa

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DjMadness:

however the above is what i get

[17:33:02]

DjMadness:

i wont get anything from ismod... its builtin on my kernel. i hate modules :P

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quantum_:

I think alsa might be built on my kernel also, but I only see cx2388x alsa driver version 0.0.6 loaded

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quantum_:

is there a history of dmesg kept anyway I could look back at an old load that was successful or something

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[R]:

i still haven't figured out the "correct" way to do this... i have 1 hdpvr and 1 QAM tuner... the QAM tuner has a subset of the channels on the hdpvr... do i use 1 video source or 2? how do i name/number the channels on the QAM tuner so they properly shadow the ones on the hdpvr?

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DjMadness:

quantum_: not really

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DjMadness:

unless you have some service witch does it

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quantum_:

yeah it feels like a problem with init somehow

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quantum_:

nothing works because the devices for alsa don't exist

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sphery:

ThisOneGuy: If you have some free time and would like to take http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22912 as a template and make a similar patch for MythWelcome, it would be very much appreciated. Thanks. :)

[17:58:29]

wagnerrp:

damnit!

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wagnerrp:

all day, ive been dicking around with this FUSE thing

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sphery:

and now you've got a short FUSE?

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wagnerrp:

it hasnt been working, because the file transfer wasnt opening, because i was feeding it a unicode string instead of an ascii string

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wagnerrp:

damn you non-latin-1 users!!!

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laga_:

unicode is teh shit

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wagnerrp:

you can take your umlauts and get out

[18:01:31]

wagnerrp:

actually, doesnt extended ascii have all your characters?

[18:02:08]

wagnerrp:

blargh... onto the next issue... why is it reporting 0byte file sizes

[18:02:16]

** laga_ is not going to debate the usefulness of unicode ;) **

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wagnerrp:

im also discovering i really didnt do much testing at all on the bindings

[18:04:13]

wagnerrp:

ill have to fix that for 0.23

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wagnerrp:

theres a lot of stuff in there only marginally functional

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wagnerrp:

and i need to get rid of ALL the 'sys.exit()'s

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wagnerrp:

there were a couple in there already, and i just continued using them

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wagnerrp:

but theres nothing more annoying than being in the interpreter debugging something, and have it arbitrarily terminate taking your entire workspace with it

[18:10:48]

wagnerrp:

aside from the fact its not giving programs the chance to except an error

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wagnerrp:

success! now i just have to figure out this permissions issue

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wagnerrp:

and figure out how to close out files

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stoth:

iamlindoro: I think I need to grab the myth 021+fixes build and look at the ivtv channel change code. Something isn't working right. Is their a specific file or function you'd like to point me at .... I'm totally unware how the app is structured.

[18:25:33]

iamlindoro:

stoth, It would probably be better to ask someone like danielk in #mythtv, that's not really the part of the app I know well

[18:25:39]

iamlindoro:

(and probably better to work with .22-fixes)

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stoth:

iamlindoro: ok, thx

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Clif:

hi @ all

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]Oscar:

I got the same error as ticket #7146 (about mythweb)

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Dagmar:

Isn't that nice.

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wagnerrp:

whoops, not quite working (just caused a kernel panic)

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sphery:

]Oscar: what version of PHP?

[18:57:32]

]Oscar:

sphery: php5, from Ubuntu 9.10

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sphery:

what version of PHP5

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]Oscar:

I haven't the cli,... dpkg say libapache2-mod-php5 – 5.2.6.dfsg.1–3ubuntu4.2

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sphery:

assuming that's 5.2.6, it should be good

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Clif:

i've problems to scan for channels in mythtv-setup :-/ on "full scan" it says failed to find any channels

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trumee:

is it possible to copy metadata for an iso to a mkv in mythvideo. i dont want to download the metadata again.

[18:59:30]

wagnerrp:

change the referenced filename

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wagnerrp:

only option is DB tinkering

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sphery:

or downloading the metadata again

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sphery:

(preferred option)

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Clif:

same if is import from a channels.conf

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wagnerrp:

sphery: but tinkering is so fun!

[19:00:47]

trumee:

i will check if i can find the entry in the database

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squish102:

how well does the hdhomerun work with mythtv?

[19:01:05]

wagnerrp:

squish102: great

[19:01:13]

squish102:

both tuners?

[19:01:26]

wagnerrp:

as two separate devices, yes

[19:01:39]

squish102:

great thanks. just bought one

[19:01:48]

wagnerrp:

the $120 one off newegg?

[19:01:56]

sphery:

wagnerrp: but it makes me send out rants like the one I did last night

[19:01:58]

squish102:

anyone else in the US, can pick it up for $90 for tax

[19:02:12]

wagnerrp:

oh?

[19:02:36]

wagnerrp:

i may have to grab a second

[19:02:49]

trumee:

does hdhomerun only work for HD video. what about SD does it work with it also?

[19:02:49]

squish102:

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1705631

[19:02:54]

iamlindoro:

Sure you didn't buy the new single tuner HDHomeRun?

[19:02:58]

iamlindoro:

That one's $90

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squish102:

^^ radioshack

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wagnerrp:

trumee: the HDHR does not work with HD or SD

[19:03:18]

squish102:

is that the new one?

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trumee:

wagnerrp, what is it for then?

[19:03:41]

wagnerrp:

digital

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sphery:

wagnerrp: So what's this Bing 10% Cashback thing people talk about?

[19:04:01]

wagnerrp:

sphery: remember google checkout? same thing

[19:04:13]

sphery:

and they give 10% cashback on all purchases?

[19:04:29]

sphery:

or just first

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wagnerrp:

with any participating retailer

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wagnerrp:

not sure on that one

[19:04:43]

wagnerrp:

google was a 1-time-only thing

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wagnerrp:

one time per gmail account rather

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sphery:

yeah, that's why I haven't done anything with Bing--figured it was a one-time thing

[19:05:17]

sphery:

only MS could afford to make it "always" (at least for a while) to gain market share

[19:06:10]

wagnerrp:

seems the single tuner is blue

[19:06:59]

wagnerrp:

sale ends today

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trumee:

wagnerrp, ok i tried to play an mkv with an embedded subtitle. mythvideo doesnt show the subtitle. mediainfo reports it as Format: UTF_8, CODEC_ID:S_TEXT/UTF8

[19:11:51]

GreyFoxx:

eah the internal player doesn't currently support those

[19:11:53]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

should work with bitmapped subtitles, however

[19:13:43]

sphery:

OK, so it's always (up to $2500 cashback per year), but for example, the 2TB HDD I just bought for $139.99 including shipping is available from Tiger Direct or CompUSA or CircuitCity.com for $149.99 – 8% cash back + $9.02 S&H, so I pay $149.99 + $9.02 now, MS keeps my money until I request a refund, then I get $11.92 back (maybe only in increments of $5, meaning they keep my $1.92 until I buy more). Overall, I pay $146.10 ...

[19:13:49]

sphery:

... /and/ jump through hoops compared to paying $139.99 directly.

[19:14:24]

sphery:

So, it's only worthwhile is something you're buying anyway is available through it and for a price that makes it cheaper all said and done.

[19:14:35]

sphery:

which means you have to do a lot of homework to check.

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wagnerrp:

unlike google which just took $10 off up front

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

I'll keep it in mind, but it looks like it may not be worth the effort--I'll check it on my next few purchases.

[19:17:02]

trumee:

GreyFoxx, what about Format:VobSub, Codec ID:S_VOBSUB, is it supported by Internal player?

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sphery:

Oh, and newegg (where I got my 2TB for $139.99) wasn't a participating retailer for that particular hard drive

[19:18:20]

sphery:

and bing lists prices after cashback and rounded (or truncated?) to dollar amounts

[19:18:37]

sphery:

and the cashback varies by item

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GreyFoxx:

trumee: I believe those are

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trumee:

GreyFoxx, cool

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sphery:

are those DVD subtitles? If so, they may only work in DVD playback mode (ISO/VIDEO_TS/or physical DVD media)

[19:20:01]

GreyFoxx:

Ahhh ok

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sphery:

that's a guess, though--I trust your knowledge on the matter more than mine

[19:20:30]

iamlindoro:

VOB format subtitles will work even with the bare file

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sphery:

cool

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: I'

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GreyFoxx:

've never actually tried them on anything but DVD's I just assumed it one worked the other would

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sphery:

I just happened to know we have a lot of isDVD code in the player, so I thought it might be different code paths

[19:21:31]

sphery:

never traced it or tried it, though

[19:21:50]

sphery:

but, fortunately, I'm wrong

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/evobsubbies.png

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iamlindoro:

That's straight from an .EVO

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iamlindoro:

same format, though

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

I believed you--didn't need the screenie

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trumee:

ok checked an mkv file containing, Format:VobSub, Codec ID:S_VOBSUB, the subtitles are displayed fine

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wagnerrp:

so im now at a minimal level of functionality with this fusefs thing, but its all for naught because i cant seem to share it over samba

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trumee:

is there any reason why S_Text/UTF_8 subtitle dont work in internal player.

[19:27:55]

wagnerrp:

no one has programmed it to

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trumee:

i see.

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trumee:

is there a way to search trac. i couldnt find a search box on the website.

[19:28:48]

wagnerrp:

it has been disabled due to overuse during the release

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sphery:

wagnerrp: perhaps you could write a script that creates pretty, formatted links to recording files... ;)

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sphery:

trumee: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv and change Search: to "Commits"

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well links arent going to do much good unless you use NFS

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sphery:

it has many benefits over the Trac search, anyway (as you can do quotes and plus and minus and ...)

[19:30:07]

sphery:

links are fine with Samba if you tell the Samber server to resolve links

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wagnerrp:

well it always does so with windows users, but i was referring more to multiple backends

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sphery:

though it /is/ "local" files only (i.e. the machine on which mythrename.pl --link is run must have all drives mounted)

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wagnerrp:

right

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sphery:

agreed on that oen

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sphery:

so, yeah, NFS for the extra drives

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sphery:

or just multiple samba servers :)

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wagnerrp:

i just think something through fuse would be a cleaner solution

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wagnerrp:

especially if everything is going to get shifted over to storage groups

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trumee:

ok, i extract the srt from the MKV using mkvextract and renamed it to a .srt. Mythvideo sint showing it still. The file type is UTF8

[19:54:12]

trumee:

a snippet of the .srt looks like this http://pastebin.com/m5998252f

[19:54:26]

trumee:

any reason why mythvideo is not picking it up?

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laga_:

what's the file name?

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wagnerrp:

theyre the exact same file name? (except the extension)

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laga_:

hum

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trumee:

yes, it is the exact file name.

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laga_:

are you using storage groups?

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trumee:

however, its file type is UTF-8, does that matter?

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trumee:

no i am not.

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trumee:

is there a way to convert utf8 to a iso88599 file?

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xris:

wow, hdhomerun for $90...

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trumee:

will that make a difference

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laga_:

trumee: iconv.. but i'd suggest you look at the mythvideo code

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DjMadness:

is it possable to use another computer (linux box ofc) to do all the transcoding and comflag stuff ?

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wagnerrp:

run mythjobqueue on any machine you want to do such things

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laga_:

yes

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DjMadness:

okeys, sounds great :) saves processing power :D

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tyce:

does myth's internal player have a codec available for wmv audio?

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iamlindoro:

no. Myth's codecs are all pulled in from ffmpeg, who only began to add wmapro support very recently

[20:07:54]

iamlindoro:

we will pick up some WMA Pro support with the next ffmpeg sync, to whatever extent they have it implemented so far

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tyce:

so, I can't just drop a codec somewhere like I could with mplayer in the past then?

[20:08:41]

iamlindoro:

no

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tyce:

alright, dang... I'll wait.

[20:08:58]

tyce:

thanks for the info

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iamlindoro:

np

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Saviq:

hello again, guys can anyone please point me how to properly play a VideoCD? AFAIK Internal player does not support it, mplayer, however, only plays one title / chapter out of many, and often the wrong one (piracy warning, for example)

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Dagmar:

WHat kind of VideoCD is this?

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Saviq:

Dagmar: children's animations

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Dagmar:

Comes in a box with black and white striping down one side?

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wagnerrp:

what is the meaning of the reference count for a directory?

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Dagmar:

Like a movie set clapper?

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wagnerrp:

file size is the number of files within the directory, but ref count?

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: When refcounts = 0 the dir doesn't go anywhere

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Saviq:

Dagmar: track 1 is piracy warning, tracks 2..n are episodes

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Dagmar:

Saviq: That's not what I asked

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Saviq:

this one's in a paper sleeve, so no

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: well none of my directories are hardlinked, but they all have >1 ref

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dan4dm:

hi, sorry for fool question but do i need to tick "Record new and expire old:

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dan4dm:

" before "no of recordings to keep kicks in?

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Dagmar:

Saviq: Hmm... Looks like you'l have to come up with the type of codec it's using on your own then

[20:26:34]

Dagmar:

If it's the type I think it might be it'll never be playable

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** dan4dm is bad at punctuation today **

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Saviq:

Dagmar: it plays fine, only there are 10 tracks

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Dagmar:

dan4dm: The order you click them doesn't matter

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Saviq:

and it plays only the first one, then exits

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Saviq:

instead of playing them all

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Dagmar:

Saviq: Great, glad the problem's solved now then

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dan4dm:

Dagmar: :) thanks, i suppose I don't mean "before" I mean "in order for 'num recordings to keep' to kick in"

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Dagmar:

dan4dm: That depends

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Dagmar:

Do you want it to record n shows and then start telling you "NOpe. Not recording that. Already got n of them"

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dan4dm:

Dagmar: my aim is to always keep the most recent N episodes, discarding old ones even if not watched

[20:29:37]

Dagmar:

My aim is to not do people's thinking for them.

[20:30:03]

Dagmar:

ANy of that say a thing about whether or not the episode was watched? No.

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dan4dm:

Dagmar: I appreciate that, but there are lots of options in myth and it's often hard to understand them when not so familiar

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DjMadness:

wagnerrp: its enough to setup the other box as a secondary mythbackend and then run mythjobqueue on the secondary machine ? (thats what i've done, just making sure)

[20:30:35]

Dagmar:

Well, reading carefully is a good start.

[20:30:41]

Dagmar:

Those options are perfectly clear as to what they do

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dan4dm:

Dagmar: yes but the relationship *between* them is not made explicit by their individual descriptions

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dan4dm:

which is understandable

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Dagmar:

There's no relationship between them.

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Dagmar:

...other than they might be talking about the same schedule, which should be perfectly obvious.

[20:32:14]

Dagmar:

If you want everything to carefully explain how it relates to every other option on the screen submit some patches

[20:33:02]

Dagmar:

It'll make the screens a nightmare to wade through

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dan4dm:

No, that's not what I want. I'd just like to understand how this system works; understanding a complex system is often made easier by talking to people who understand it better

[20:35:11]

Dagmar:

This isn't that complex.

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dan4dm:

ok, good, thanks

[20:35:38]

Dagmar:

MythWeb is probably the simpler of your interface options actually

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dan4dm:

yes MythWeb is nice

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dustybin:

I have a idea for mythtv, how about a mythweb plugin what will search tv listings and automatically setup a weekly schedule of tv what is rated 'pick of the days' / 'worth watching' shows

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wagnerrp:

came up with that one all on your own?

[21:45:10]

dustybin:

yes

[21:46:29]

wagnerrp:

something like has been requested several times on the various wishlists, mailing lists, and in here

[21:46:35]

dustybin:

aye ok

[21:46:57]

wagnerrp:

some collaborative suggestions like iamlindoro is currently trying to get set up through twitter

[21:47:07]

dustybin:

ok

[21:55:29]

Dagmar:

How about we just ban him and get it over with

[21:55:37]

highzeth:

wagnerrp: which of the McNamara's/other should one follow to keep track of that? =)

[21:55:40]

Dagmar:

He can act up for attention in some other channel

[21:55:47]

wagnerrp:

rest assured that there are very few genuinely new 'ideas' for mythtv

[21:56:21]

wagnerrp:

its all just new implementations of old ideas (or ones not previously implemented)

[21:56:39]

wagnerrp:

there have always been a lot of people thinking up new ideas

[21:56:47]

wagnerrp:

but few actually doing anything about them

[21:58:59]

wagnerrp:

highzeth: not sure how far he is along with it

[21:59:10]

wagnerrp:

he posted a bit to the mailing list about two weeks ago

[21:59:11]

dustybin:

jeeze sorry for breathing

[21:59:46]

highzeth:

wagnerrp: ok, thanx, will look

[22:00:16]

wagnerrp:

dustybin: simply repeating what has been said frequently in here

[22:00:34]

wagnerrp:

theres very little need for new ideas

[22:00:36]

dustybin:

i have never seen anyone mention that before in my life

[22:00:59]

wagnerrp:

i know ive seen it mentioned in here several dozen times

[22:01:04]

wagnerrp:

and on the mailing list a handful of times

[22:01:15]

dustybin:

well i dont spend all my time in here like you guys

[22:01:17]

wagnerrp:

and it wasnt even new then

[22:01:31]

wagnerrp:

it was based off the tivo feature where it analyzes your existing recordings

[22:01:34]

wagnerrp:

and recommends new ones

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dustybin:

ok

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trumee:

how can i sort video in Mythvideo in alphabetical order?

[22:07:29]

wagnerrp:

it should be alphabetical

[22:07:35]

wagnerrp:

at least it is for me

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trumee:

ah, my bad. folders come first followed by iso files.

[22:08:54]

trumee:

is there a way to re-arrange this so that folders sit in between iso files.

[22:09:17]

trumee:

i sound confusing :)

[22:09:35]

Dagmar:

Yes.

[22:09:35]

wagnerrp:

you can see if theres anything for that in the 'm' menu, i dont recall off hand

[22:10:21]

trumee:

Enable flat view ?

[22:10:51]

wagnerrp:

you probably dont want that

[22:10:59]

wagnerrp:

that simply gets rid of all the folders

[22:11:17]

trumee:

Dagmar, i dont want folders to bunch up together.

[22:11:27]

trumee:

wagnerrp, yup not good

[22:13:37]

trumee:

wagnerrp, cant find anything to do that.

[22:14:09]

wagnerrp:

not surprised

[22:14:17]

wagnerrp:

why wouldnt everything be in folders?

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trumee:

i have a iso's and folders together. iso's need not be in folders.

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wagnerrp:

but then what are the folders for?

[22:15:21]

trumee:

Folders have movies which are split into two avi files.

[22:15:37]

iamlindoro:

Aaaaaand there went my desire to help

[22:16:16]

wagnerrp:

so merge them (assuming they are compatible), or use the 'next video' or whatever feature to bind the first to the second and set the second hidden

[22:16:43]

trumee:

The avi files have their own srt. I will have to merge the set as well. dont know how though.

[22:17:05]

trumee:

Yes, hiding might be an option. never tried that before.

[22:19:22]

KjetilK:

Hey folks! I've seen a lot of changelogs saying things about merging into v4l-dvb at http://mercurial.intuxication.org/hg/s2-liplianin/ lately. Does that mean this driver is nearing the mainline kernel?

[22:19:38]

trumee:

I set the Part B of the movie to "Include while Browsing" off in metadata options. it still is showing up in mythvideo.

[22:20:12]

wagnerrp:

KjetilK: the #linuxtv people would probably know more about that

[22:20:50]

trumee:

Do i need to do a scan for change after editing metadata.

[22:21:13]

KjetilK:

wagnerrp, yup, but there is very little activity there these days

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trumee:

ok, i cant hide the file. so guess the only option left is merging the files.

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AndyCap:

haha, i see sundtek has spammed the mythtv wiki as well

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_wily_sal_:

Hi, I can't seem to figure out what my problem is, but tv has stopped working in my mythbuntu install. It still sees the channels when it performs a scan, but i get nothing when I try to watch tv

[22:48:32]

_wily_sal_:

any ideas? i've never been able to get mythtv to work properly, I'm thinking of throwing in the towel to be honest

[22:49:50]

_wily_sal_:

i can provide my logs

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mchou:

_wily_sal_: provide logs

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_wily_sal_:

would anyone take a look at my logs and point me in the right direction? I'm stumped and not even sure what to google for

[22:55:10]

_wily_sal_:

ok

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mchou:

_wily_sal_: nobody is clairevoyant

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_wily_sal_:

http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f4074f8b9

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mchou:

you have directory perms issues, just like the logs say

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mchou:

correct them

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henrik_:

hello! I have a problem with hauppauge hvr 1300. anyone who can help?

[22:58:06]

mchou:

they need to have rwx for whatever user mythbackend runs as

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_wily_sal_:

i'm not sure how to fix that

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_wily_sal_:

I understand what you're saying

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_wily_sal_:

what do I need to change the permissions of?

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mchou:

the directories /tv

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mchou:

wtf

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mchou:

why is thi so difficult?

[23:01:25]

mchou:

this*

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mchou:

you change perms recursively on that dir

[23:02:32]

_wily_sal_:

oh

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_wily_sal_:

just realised I added a subdir that wasn't rwx

[23:04:23]

_wily_sal_:

thanks mchou

[23:04:25]

henrik_:

please use -R while your chmoding and your all set..

[23:04:58]

henrik_:

mchou, you seem to be the man with the plan are you up for my problem?

[23:05:11]

mchou:

no

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mchou:

i have no experience with hvr1300

[23:05:36]

henrik_:

okej. to bad..

[23:05:54]

henrik_:

It's a signal problem so I don't know if it is specific..

[23:06:55]

henrik_:

there was a bug in ubuntu 9.10 when it came to drivers for this card. So i pulled down the latest v4l drivers and recompiled the kernel, so the card can now find chanels when scaning.

[23:07:19]

mchou:

scanning how?

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Led-Hed:

I have quite a few HD channels available as subchannels from my Cable Co., but schedules direct doesn't list the sub channels. Is there a way to map one channel to a sub-channel?

[23:07:36]

henrik_:

scaning the dvb-t chanels from the muxes

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mchou:

henrik_: using what to scan?

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henrik_:

well I entered manualu the transponders and added all 5 muxes.. and then I asked the backend to scan thouse I had addad

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mchou:

screw that

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henrik_:

Whell I got all chanels added

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mchou:

you dont use backend to scan

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henrik_:

so it worked

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mchou:

it's borked

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henrik_:

okej.. what do you use?

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mchou:

scan from dvb-tools

[23:09:22]

mchou:

or dvb-utils

[23:09:29]

mchou:

whatever it's called

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henrik_:

well I got that part working however..

[23:10:02]

mchou:

I doubt it works at all

[23:10:16]

henrik_:

the only problem i now have is that mythtv only tells me that I have 39% of signal when I'm watching a show.

[23:10:19]

mchou:

it'd be the 2nd coming of Christ

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henrik_:

Well I can se the programs..

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mchou:

a busted clock is right 2x a day

[23:11:18]

mchou:

doesn't mean it's working

[23:11:47]

henrik_:

I used a signal meeter and saw That the signal is very good.. about 75% of signal and strenght 90% of quality

[23:12:23]

henrik_:

so you use the dvb-utils to scan the chanels and then create a chanel.conf

[23:12:31]

henrik_:

and then import it?

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mchou:

the import utility is borked too in myth

[23:13:07]

mchou:

at least last time I checked

[23:13:25]

henrik_:

okej so how to you add the chanels in myth?

[23:13:39]

mchou:

pedal to metal using the DB

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squish102:

for those interested, radioshack has HDhomeRun for $90 today only: http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1705631

[23:14:03]

mchou:

and the info from channels.conf

[23:14:19]

mchou:

squish102: heh, nice deal

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henrik_:

okej.. that's a bit hardcore for me ;) but it has been working very good with adding the transponders and then scan thouse muxes

[23:14:34]

mchou:

squish102: that's the dual tuner version, right?

[23:15:01]

leprechau:

I haven't looked into it very deeply yet but does anyone know if there is a 'proper' way to trigger an event when xorg sends a dpms suspend...ie, like a hook or something you can bind to?

[23:15:11]

mchou:

squish102: cause HDHR has single tuner version too

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mchou:

the down side to having such energy efficient computers is that my room needs heat now in winter

[23:21:00]

mchou:

you just can't win

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Dagmar:

leprechau: Not without writing code that monitors for that afaict

[23:26:02]

leprechau:

Dagmar, hrm...see I have a vizio TV that I have connected via DVI->HDMI and it works great beautiful 1080p ... but when xorg does a DPMS standby the vizio set just goes bluescreen with 'no input' ... I would like to be able to somehow make it execute a script that would do irsend to power the set off when DPMS kicks in

[23:30:00]

leprechau:

I've never had a problem scanning from the backend...it always picks up all my channels

[23:30:57]

Led-Hed:

squish102, DAMN! I just ordered one from newegg for $118 yesterday!

[23:31:15]

Dagmar:

That's nice. Doesn't change anything.

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Dagmar:

You *might* be able to find out something useful by contacting some people involved with Xorg development

[23:32:04]

Dagmar:

I've yet to come across any documentation relating to hooking DPMS events through some simple user-space thing

[23:32:20]

Dagmar:

ACPI events can be hooked that way, but I know of no comparable facility for DPMS events.

[23:33:16]

dan4dm:

i suspect the same as Dagmar – i was poking around with acpi and dpms this week, don't see any comparable hooks

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Led-Hed:

squish102, Radio Shack reports them as In Stock, but when you add them to the cart, it says the number selected exceeds their stock that is available for shipment.

[23:35:16]

Led-Hed:

Bastards!

[23:35:40]

mchou:

Led-Hed: dont be such a lazy bum

[23:35:48]

Led-Hed:

mchou, ??

[23:35:49]

mchou:

Led-Hed: call your local shack

[23:35:54]

Led-Hed:

ahh

[23:35:59]

Led-Hed:

says Web ONly

[23:36:00]

mchou:

ask if it's in stock

[23:36:14]

Dibblah:

Call? How do you do that over the internet?

[23:36:15]

Dibblah:

;)

[23:36:23]

Led-Hed:

lol

[23:36:28]

Dagmar:

With Google Voice or Skype

[23:36:34]

Dibblah:

I can't find the call button on my keyboard.

[23:37:00]

Dagmar:

You need to getcha one o' them fancy roosky keyboards with the littls screens on each key

[23:37:08]

Dagmar:

...or you know, some white tape and a sharipe

[23:37:14]

Dagmar:

s/sharipe/sharpie/;

[23:39:15]

mchou:

Led-Hed: just tell the shack employee you're want to place a ship to store order and you are having difficulty

[23:39:32]

Led-Hed:

mchou, will try that next.

[23:40:39]

mchou:

Led-Hed: not to mention the "Need Assitance" 800 # at the bottom

[23:40:48]

mchou:

Assistance*

[23:42:28]

mchou:

"Other ways to get it By phone:call 1-800-843–7422"

[23:42:36]

Led-Hed:

mchou, STOP

[23:42:41]

Led-Hed:

I get the picture.

[23:42:56]

** Led-Hed is on the phone now. **

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Dagmar:

I'm giving Tower.com one last chance to take their heads out of their asses

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Dagmar:

I suspect they might be worse than Radio Shack about online orders

[23:43:43]

Dagmar:

I've been waiting a month and a half for a CD they _claim_ to have in stock

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Led-Hed:

No Stock!

[23:50:02]

** Dibblah remembers the days when the only choice was to go into A Shop. **

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mchou:

ask for raincheck

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Led-Hed:

me to, what a pain

[23:50:39]

Led-Hed:

mchou, rshack: "we dont do rainchecks"

[23:50:51]

mchou:

heh

[23:51:06]

Led-Hed:

oh well, $118 isnt a bad price

[23:51:09]

mchou:

the say "maybe yo do lawyers"

[23:51:23]

mchou:

then say "maybe you do lawyers"

[23:51:36]

Led-Hed:

lol, not worth $18 to hastle them

[23:52:02]

mchou:

yeah well

[23:52:28]

mchou:

nowhere does it say limited quantities on hand

[23:53:24]

mchou:

it's not crazy to expect a backorder

[23:54:07]

Led-Hed:

agreed

[23:54:57]

Led-Hed:

Is there a way to map subchannels in the channel ediror?

[23:56:41]

Led-Hed:

When I scan for Digital channels on my HDTV, it finds them on 74–1, 101–5, etc... I cant find a linup on Schedules Direct that match the subchannels. What can I do?

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Led-Hed:

They are Cable subchannels (clear QAM), not OTA

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mchou:

Led-Hed: your question doesn't even mke sense

[23:57:37]

mchou:

make*

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Led-Hed:

ok, what doesnt make sense about it, I will clairify

[23:58:02]

mchou:

if you're saying SD doesnt have your local lineup, complain to SD

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Led-Hed:

they have the Cable Co's HD Lineup

[23:58:38]

mchou:

cause SD better have at least 90% of the subchannels

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Led-Hed:

only the Cable Co maps the Subchannels, for example. 761 maps to 74–1

[23:59:02]

mchou:

sigh

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mchou:

Led-Hed: put you brain on for just one minute

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Led-Hed:

lol

[23:59:43]

mchou:

perhaps the subchas arent HD

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Led-Hed:

they are

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mchou:

subchans*

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