| Thursday, November 26th, 2009, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:59] | Josh_: | tesseract_tom: Yes, it's called "The alternate player", Google is your friend. |
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| [00:18:50] | tyce: | is mythstream no longer a plugin under .22? |
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| [00:22:25] | Dibblah: | It never was an official plugin. |
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| [00:41:21] | wagnerrp: | looks like tonight is a good night to attempt an update |
| [00:41:25] | wagnerrp: | nothing but reruns on tomorrow |
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| [01:20:11] | NineTeen67Comet: | Good day all .. I recently updated to 9.10 and updated the MySQL as it requested .. since then it's been a struggle .. What I've done now is re-installed my MySQL server (holds all the movies and the database) re-installed mythbuntu on my media client and started it all over. I did NOT install a backend on either machine (I don't watch TV through either one and only occasionally rip my dvds on the client) .. Do I need to install mythbackend o |
| [01:21:15] | NineTeen67Comet: | When I attempt to run mythfrontend.real on the client it says I need an updated schema then closes (via cli so I can see the errors) |
| [01:21:19] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [01:21:23] | wagnerrp: | you must run a frontend |
| [01:21:28] | wagnerrp: | erm... backend |
| [01:21:37] | NineTeen67Comet: | Frontend I understand .. lol .. k .. |
| [01:22:12] | NineTeen67Comet: | I'll toss a backend on my server .. it's all sninny newly rebuilt .. |
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| [01:24:05] | [R]: | can someone who has a zotac ionitx tell me how high the heat sink is? |
| [01:24:33] | Dagmar: | Damnit it told me it had sworn off that stuff |
| [01:25:21] | NineTeen67Comet: | thanks for your help wagnerrp .. I'm off to get the place cleaned up before company shows up .. hopefully the new box with a good backend will fulfill all our Movie needs today .. right on .. take care |
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| [01:50:26] | oobe: | Dagmar, is this yours http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/slackware/MythTV/ |
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| [01:50:41] | Dagmar: | Probably. Lemme look |
| [01:50:54] | Dagmar: | Wait, yeah if the URL starts with "dagmar" I uploaded it |
| [01:51:00] | Dagmar: | I think I nuked those because they were old |
| [01:51:11] | Dagmar: | I gues I didn't. |
| [01:51:52] | NineTeen67Comet: | Hi all .. I got my server stood up, ran mythtv-setup and it seems to have rebooted fine .. now however my client machine says the database is newer than the version it has .. could this be a 9.10 vs 9.04 conflict? (The client is 9.04 and the server is 9.10 Ubuntu-Server with mythbackend running) |
| [01:52:38] | wagnerrp: | im building out a new install image for my firewall, wondering if i should bother with any swap |
| [01:52:48] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall any instance when it overran the 256MB |
| [01:53:17] | wagnerrp: | NineTeen67Comet: 9.10 runs 0.22, 9.04 runs 0.21 |
| [01:53:33] | wagnerrp: | you MUST run the same version of mythtv on all connected systems |
| [01:53:46] | oobe: | Dagmar, im building slackware packages now and one day hoping to make a repo that works with slackpkg and slap-get i might want to ask you a few questions one day |
| [01:53:57] | wagnerrp: | same primary db schema, same plugin schema, same backend proto |
| [01:53:58] | Dagmar: | Any time |
| [01:54:19] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i forget... did you say you had a zotac? |
| [01:54:25] | NineTeen67Comet: | wagnerrp: gotchya .. I'll run an upgrade then .. I tried it before by my LCD TV complained about unsupported resolution .. fixed it with some xorg tweaks .. |
| [01:54:25] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [01:54:35] | [R]: | :( i need to know how high the stupid heatsink is |
| [01:54:55] | oobe: | cool im using modded slack build scripts and everything seems to be fine but if i want to make a repo i need to get my head around making tags and such |
| [01:55:00] | wagnerrp: | i dont expect it to be much taller than a standard IO panel |
| [01:55:14] | [R]: | it looks huge in the pictures |
| [01:56:07] | oobe: | also the slackbuild script im using for mythplugins puts each plugin all in one package i might want to see some samples of your old build scripts |
| [01:56:24] | NineTeen67Comet: | wagnerrp: shiiii.. lol .. My client is running Hardy and my Server is sportin' Karmic .. gonna be a minute before they match .. lol (I use the Ubuntu Minimal cd then add the good'ness I want) .. must have used an old mini.iso on the client .. |
| [01:56:29] | NineTeen67Comet: | Thanks again wagnerrp .. |
| [01:56:49] | [R]: | http://www.zotacusa.com/forum/index.php?/topi . . . u-atom-n330/ |
| [01:56:53] | [R]: | victory is mine |
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| [02:05:47] | oobe: | Dagmar, how do you make packages for each individial plugin do you have a sample build script i can look at? |
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| [02:06:22] | Dagmar: | I have an engine |
| [02:06:38] | Dagmar: | Gimme a moment and I'll tar the most recent mess up |
| [02:07:04] | oobe: | cool thanks |
| [02:17:24] | Dagmar: | oobe: yer msg window has the URL |
| [02:17:40] | Dagmar: | The qt build script is currently "in a state of flux" |
| [02:17:52] | Dagmar: | It *might* build Qt4, but in a sub-optimal manner |
| [02:18:07] | Dagmar: | Beyond that, untar that into /usr/src and then edit the .config file |
| [02:18:12] | Dagmar: | EVERYTHING is pretty hevily commented |
| [02:18:47] | Dagmar: | After that you pretty much just cd to /usr/src/dropline-build-system and then type `./build mythplugins` for example |
| [02:19:22] | Dagmar: | If you don't read the comments in the .config carefully, expect it to misbehave |
| [02:19:36] | Dagmar: | There's a few things you'll definitely want to set for your local machine |
| [02:20:23] | Dagmar: | The myth scripts I think are still the ones I have been using to build 0.21-fixes from SVN, so you'll have to do SVN grabs, tar them up yourself, and put them in your source tarballs directory for the engine to find |
| [02:20:40] | oobe: | thanks this is everything i need |
| [02:21:33] | oobe: | this in particular SCRIPTS/mythplugins/build |
| [02:21:56] | oobe: | how is the variable for $module set |
| [02:22:03] | oobe: | for module in mytharchive |
| [02:22:12] | oobe: | subpackage $module |
| [02:22:58] | Dagmar: | You just pasted it, dude. |
| [02:23:02] | Dagmar: | "for module in (list of things)" |
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| [02:23:15] | Dagmar: | the whole thing is just piles and piles and HEAPS and piles of bash script |
| [02:24:08] | Dagmar: | There's a lot of stuff that is actually not _quite_ what it at first appears to be tho |
| [02:24:16] | oobe: | all that confused me is im used to a variable being defined module= |
| [02:24:40] | oobe: | this gives me heaps to think about and work with |
| [02:24:45] | oobe: | thanks |
| [02:25:06] | Dagmar: | You might want to um... type `grep "^##" SCRIPTS/dropline-functions.sh | less` |
| [02:25:35] | Dagmar: | Almost all the "magic" comes from that file, and I comment things with double #'s starting a line to denote what amounts to API documentation |
| [02:25:55] | Dagmar: | When you see 'configure' or 'make' and very obviously 'makeinstall' they're calling functions from that script |
| [02:26:44] | Dagmar: | Those in turn do a little more magic to determine what arguments might be needed based on the global engine config, and then slap down a short one-line script to do the obvious thing |
| [02:26:57] | Dagmar: | At then end, you get a package and some nice gz'd logs of what happened |
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| [02:28:05] | oobe: | this is awesome |
| [02:28:13] | oobe: | nice work |
| [02:28:27] | Dagmar: | Thanks |
| [02:28:43] | Dagmar: | The engine's main focus is simply for rapid prototyping of new packages |
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| [03:17:37] | pyther: | Because lately I've had a strange problem, the signal strength will drop until I turn on my converter box which is hooked up through a splitter |
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| [03:26:20] | wagnerrp: | bravo iamlindoro |
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| [04:57:58] | tesseract_tom: | where can i download a copy of just the original imdb.pl from myth 21 |
| [04:59:12] | [R]: | tesseract_tom: svn |
| [05:00:00] | iamlindoro: | not that that would be very welcome |
| [05:00:15] | iamlindoro: | there's a reason we don't distribute it any more |
| [05:00:47] | iamlindoro: | because it's a violation of their copyright and they *asked* us not to.... so you aren't going to get help getting it here and you are not welcome to talk about it here |
| [05:00:51] | tesseract_tom: | just wanted to glean something from the code |
| [05:01:09] | wagnerrp: | plus it doesnt really work anymore anyway |
| [05:01:11] | tesseract_tom: | not abo9ut imdb at all |
| [05:01:21] | tesseract_tom: | im coding something related to x10 |
| [05:01:28] | tesseract_tom: | sorry.. didnt mean to break the rules. |
| [05:01:35] | iamlindoro: | What in the world could X10 have to do with IMDB? |
| [05:02:22] | tesseract_tom: | ill just code it from scratch.. no biggie |
| [05:02:44] | tesseract_tom: | lighting effects based on a movie or tv genre/category |
| [05:02:52] | tesseract_tom: | and when you check the weather |
| [05:02:58] | iamlindoro: | tmdb gives back categories.... |
| [05:03:24] | wagnerrp: | who was it that coded up some X10 pre/post-roll a couple weeks ago? |
| [05:03:29] | wagnerrp: | was that mzb? |
| [05:03:56] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [05:03:57] | tesseract_tom: | yeah? does he have a page somewhere about his x10 stuff? |
| [05:04:04] | iamlindoro: | but there's something a bit more comprehesive on the way |
| [05:04:38] | wagnerrp: | it was a fair bit of code attached to the mediahandler framework |
| [05:05:24] | wagnerrp: | by mzb? or one of the devs decided to run with it and make it an official feature? |
| [05:05:49] | iamlindoro: | not by mzb |
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| [05:07:30] | wagnerrp: | well i better start backing stuff up if im going to upgrade my server tonight... |
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| [05:10:55] | tesseract_tom: | i used to scoff at x10 which is as old as dirt, but its pretty f-all cool |
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| [05:11:17] | Dagmar: | It's even cooler once you figure out how to use the industrial variant's frequencies |
| [05:11:26] | brad3: | wagnerr: what are you upgrading to? |
| [05:11:29] | Dagmar: | You can do things like, drive by an apartment complex and turn the fountains of and on |
| [05:11:33] | Dagmar: | s/of/off/; |
| [05:11:57] | wagnerrp: | fbsd 7.2 --> 8.0 |
| [05:12:24] | brad3: | cool, i've never tried freebsd |
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| [05:40:30] | Josh_: | MFD doesnt seem to be stressing my system too much. |
| [05:40:49] | Josh_: | in the middle of a 'mythfilldatabase --refresh-all', and sitting at 40C |
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| [07:17:51] | justinh: | mythfilldatabase != cpuburn :D |
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| [07:20:36] | justinh: | if anything EPG related is gonna hurt your system;s performance it'll be the BUQ (Big Ugly Query) in the scheduler itself |
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| [07:46:04] | anenigma: | heh. 3 tuners recording + watching 1 show + 3x commercial flagging makes my server get warmish |
| [07:47:46] | anenigma: | ooh, and a virtual machine seems to be running, hogging half the ram |
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| [08:00:20] | fred188: | hey |
| [08:00:54] | fred188: | I've just noticed while watching live tv that myth changes the channel when a recording is coming up. even though I have 3 tuners not in use |
| [08:01:02] | fred188: | any ideas whats happening here? |
| [08:01:43] | Dagmar: | It's already decided what tuner to use in advance, IIRC |
| [08:01:51] | Dagmar: | There's a workaround but I can't remember what it is |
| [08:02:05] | Dagmar: | One of the other regulars is certain to remember sooner or later |
| [08:02:25] | fred188: | hmm, that sounds like whats going on! |
| [08:02:36] | Dagmar: | Something to do with making it prefer to stick live TV on the "least preferable" tuner when you're wathcing it |
| [08:02:57] | Dagmar: | I just can't remember how to do it at the moment |
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| [08:18:26] | fred188: | yay "Avoid conflicts between live TV and scheduled shows" |
| [08:19:27] | fred188: | what do you think "Allow live TV to move scheduled shows" might actually do to the recordings? |
| [08:20:27] | Dagmar: | Probably nothing fatal but its' easy enough to test |
| [08:21:27] | Dagmar: | It might just make the backend decide to record a later showing if you didn't specifically pick that very one |
| [08:25:32] | fred188: | Thanks for your help Dagmar! |
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| [08:30:38] | justinh: | great. thanks, whoever left a massive pile of crap 'to do' on my desk after I left yesterday. 'just' upgrade these to the latest.. yeah yeah. turns out all that can be reused is the ****ing cases |
| [08:33:00] | laga_: | hum |
| [08:33:03] | laga_: | get rid of desk? |
| [08:33:47] | justinh: | get rid of the person. muhahahaha |
| [08:35:16] | laga_: | PSA: trac is effing awesome. that is all. |
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| [08:40:33] | justinh: | not at my work it ain't. But they don't use it right here. Nor the wiki |
| [08:42:54] | laga_: | heh |
| [08:43:12] | laga_: | i couldn't get the admin to install the dependency graph plugin, though :( |
| [08:45:23] | justinh: | I need to set up svn on my new box to take care of concept now it's nearing some kind of readiness |
| [08:45:43] | laga_: | use git so people can easily fork it! |
| [08:45:45] | laga_: | oh, wait |
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| [08:47:06] | justinh: | might have to get to grips with quilt sooner rather than later too if all the mythui hacking I plan to do keeps up |
| [08:50:15] | justinh: | make the best use of the free time I have left :) |
| [08:53:51] | justinh: | ffs my serial terminal isn't transmitting |
| [08:55:32] | justinh: | we have ProCommPlus here but not enough licenses so I'm stuck with HyperTerminal :-\ |
| [08:55:45] | justinh: | I'd use Putty but for the fact it's crashy |
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| [09:01:50] | sid3windr: | hmh |
| [09:01:54] | sid3windr: | i've never had putty crash |
| [09:02:20] | justinh: | nor me except when it uses the serial port |
| [09:03:58] | [Peter]: | you'd think that serial I/O would be pretty straight forward |
| [09:04:39] | justinh: | putty gives me 'putty.exe has experienced a problem & needs to close, yada yada" |
| [09:06:20] | justinh: | think we need a bunch of USB-serial thingies here & see if that helps any |
| [09:08:10] | justinh: | time to reboot & see if I get the port back :-\ |
| [09:12:47] | justinh: | erm yay :) |
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| [09:17:57] | eagle42: | hi all |
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| [09:31:28] | justinh: | hahaha couldn't ftp into the machine,so pinged it & it reset |
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| [09:58:32] | NineTeen67Comet: | good'ay all .. I've got a backend server issue. I've got my movies and the mysql server in one box and my frontends on several clients. Before I upgraded to 9.10 (mythbuntu) they worked well .. Now although I can manually watch movies via /media/myth-movies (my movie server's nfs path) and start mythfrontend.real and set it up, no videos are available and it tells me "Could not connect to the master backend server — is it running?" .. I chec |
| [09:59:26] | NineTeen67Comet: | my user is mythuser and the database is mythtv .. on the mysql server mythuser has all permissions (internal network, not too concerned with security on it) .. phpmyadmin shows all is green also .. |
| [10:00:21] | justinh: | so find out why mythbackend isn't running |
| [10:00:32] | NineTeen67Comet: | mythtv mysql database shows 89 items in its database so I know it's working'ish .. just cant figure out why no videos populate .. |
| [10:00:55] | justinh: | how *exactly* did you do the upgrade? |
| [10:00:56] | pat_: | is mythbackend running? |
| [10:01:52] | justinh: | pat_: I suspect it isn't running because the user has to interact with the system |
| [10:01:52] | NineTeen67Comet: | I did a clean install of mythbuntu 9.10 and ubuntu-server 9.10 on the media server (then installed mythtvbackend and ran it via ssh -X to get it all setup .. |
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| [10:02:32] | justinh: | so the backend is on a different box to the frontend? |
| [10:02:36] | NineTeen67Comet: | It is running .. just checked (backend) .. |
| [10:03:55] | NineTeen67Comet: | justinh: yes, I've got my movies and mysql running on one box and several mythfrontend boxes around my house .. |
| [10:04:19] | NineTeen67Comet: | I don't stream tv or anything just movies off my headless movie server in my server closet .. |
| [10:04:23] | justinh: | so you need to enable mysql working across the network,for one thing |
| [10:04:34] | justinh: | then you have to get mythbackend running on the machine's LAN IP |
| [10:04:35] | NineTeen67Comet: | did that .. |
| [10:04:42] | justinh: | rather than 127.0.0.1 which it defaults to |
| [10:04:50] | NineTeen67Comet: | yes .. did that |
| [10:04:54] | NineTeen67Comet: | 192.168.1.12 |
| [10:04:58] | justinh: | and? |
| [10:05:10] | justinh: | did you restart mythbackend after changing the address? |
| [10:05:19] | NineTeen67Comet: | I didn't really change anything when I updated all the boxes .. |
| [10:05:36] | justinh: | are they all running the same version of mythtv? |
| [10:05:51] | NineTeen67Comet: | Yeah I've restarted all of them several times .. and individually restarted the respective parts (sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart) .. |
| [10:06:42] | NineTeen67Comet: | justinh: yes, that's what brought on the upgrade actually .. I wanted one of my mostly mythtv clientes to act as a part time desktop machine so I upgraded it and that's when I found out they all needed to be the same version of mythtv (.22) |
| [10:06:48] | justinh: | and all the machine hostnames are different? |
| [10:07:29] | NineTeen67Comet: | they are .. Metope, Athena, Ares and Hecate .. the server is Triton .. (with all their /etc/hosts files reflecting) |
| [10:08:23] | NineTeen67Comet: | I didn't really change anything in how they are set up .. I mean they all mount to the server via nfs (/media/movies/movies) to /media/myth-movies .. |
| [10:09:07] | NineTeen67Comet: | I'm pretty stumped .. I'm not really all that new to mythbuntu (had a tough time with Gentoo running mythtv manually installed though0 .. |
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| [10:12:11] | NineTeen67Comet: | when I run mythbuntu control center it checks the mysql out and gives an all good too .. and since the backend shows data in the mysql tables I can only assume it's communicating .. my real concern is why the video manager shows no files found . |
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| [10:15:41] | gbee: | did you scan? |
| [10:17:20] | justinh: | if it's saying it can't connect to the master backend there's no point scanning for changes in mythvideo |
| [10:18:03] | justinh: | arghh chuffing com port has locked up again |
| [10:18:33] | NineTeen67Comet: | It's getting late here .. thanks for your time and effort justinh .. I appreciate it .. thank you .. have a good night .. |
| [10:18:38] | NineTeen67Comet: | exit |
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| [10:24:43] | justinh: | meh. this web browser based UI looks like crap on a PAL video output. But there's no flicker filter on the video encoder chip. ha |
| [10:25:27] | justinh: | not that it matters. the live video is scaled to fit with the wrong aspect ratio. so much for evidencial accuracy huh |
| [10:28:26] | gbee: | as the video clearly show m'lord, the suspect was at least 7 foot tall! |
| [10:28:37] | gbee: | or overweight ... ;) |
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| [10:50:40] | Saviq: | hello all, first of all congrats on the long-awaited release :) |
| [10:51:14] | Saviq: | I have a question – does mythvideo scan the video folders on each access? |
| [10:51:32] | Saviq: | can it be disabled? |
| [10:52:38] | Saviq: | it takes an awful lot of time to access the video list |
| [10:55:59] | eagle42: | hi Saviq. which version are you using? with the 0.22 (or 0.23) there is no automatic scan |
| [10:56:30] | justinh: | depends which theme you use too |
| [10:56:57] | Saviq: | oh |
| [10:56:59] | eagle42: | the only thing coul get slow access could be the load of metadata that you can disable in Video->settings->metada settings |
| [10:57:00] | justinh: | if the theme uses artwork a lot, images need to be cached locally but once they're cached it'll be faster |
| [10:57:08] | Saviq: | well I have "MythVideo::ScanVideoDirectory Scanning..." |
| [10:57:16] | Saviq: | for all directories in my mythvideo |
| [10:57:18] | justinh: | and if your frontend's local store is read only.. whoops |
| [10:58:05] | Saviq: | and now it also scans / and /boot :? |
| [10:58:26] | Saviq: | that's 0.22-fixes and mythbuntu thee |
| [10:58:33] | justinh: | only if you set the video root to be / |
| [10:59:12] | Saviq: | no, I think it treats / and /boot as removable media (it's a CF card) |
| [10:59:29] | justinh: | it only does what you tell it to |
| [11:02:29] | Saviq: | that's what's in my VideoStartupDir: /mnt/store/filmy:/mnt/store/seriale:/mnt/store/dokumenty:/mnt/store/kabarety:/mn t/store/krotkie:/mnt/store/pobrania/filmy:/mnt/store/muzyka:/mnt/store/dla dzieci |
| [11:03:08] | Saviq: | and http://paste2.org/p/533285 what mythvideo does when I tried to access the 'Watch Movies' entry in the Media Library menu |
| [11:03:39] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [11:03:52] | justinh: | gotta love ubuntu |
| [11:04:11] | Saviq: | that's not ubuntu, gentoo |
| [11:04:19] | Saviq: | not that it makes any differene |
| [11:04:28] | justinh: | well, what you need to do I think is tell the OS it's NOT removable media |
| [11:04:44] | Saviq: | MediaMonitor uses hal? |
| [11:04:51] | justinh: | either that or stop mythfrontend monitoring removable drives |
| [11:17:46] | justinh: | muhaha wikipedia entry for the village where I used to live describes a WW2 plane in the middle of the housing estate -apparently a big tourist attraction. LOL |
| [11:17:57] | justinh: | 'needs citation'. Yup. Sure does |
| [11:20:11] | justinh: | sigh. "WAF dropping like a rock" should mean "I'm sacked. Now she's looking for a technically competent man" |
| [11:29:41] | gbee: | BBC article this morning reckons that 49,000 wikipedia editors have jumped shipped |
| [11:31:04] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah. 10 times this same period last year |
| [11:31:26] | GreyFoxx: | They are making it too hard for many to update articles |
| [11:39:21] | justinh: | while at the same time a lot is too easily vandalised |
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| [11:49:41] | justinh: | haha there are plans to develop a HD 'Mr Benn' series |
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| [12:15:10] | Saviq: | ok I disabled removable scanning altogether – there's no way of modifying the block device's 'removable' state in sysfs |
| [12:15:36] | Saviq: | but MythVideo still scans my VideoStartupDirs on access |
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| [12:21:59] | Saviq: | ok, it does so only once every so often |
| [12:23:23] | Saviq: | I think every time some settings are changed |
| [12:25:22] | justinh: | heh seeing messages in my frontend log mentioning mythfm.. wth? |
| [12:28:15] | justinh: | rofl http://angrytechnician.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/personalisation/ |
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| [12:34:33] | justinh: | jees. somehow my upcoming recordings list is starting to look scary |
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| [12:57:58] | GreyFoxx: | Saviq: The BE will do a mythvideo scan of VideoStartupDirs 30 seconds after the BE starts and I think by default ever 30 minutes unless you change how often it does it in mythtv-setup |
| [12:58:07] | GreyFoxx: | I think the default was 30 minutes... might be an hour |
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| [12:59:03] | Saviq: | GreyFoxx: it was because File Browse Mode got enabled for some reason (a default, maybe?) |
| [12:59:13] | GreyFoxx: | no, it just does it |
| [12:59:23] | GreyFoxx: | part of the upnp stuff so it knows what files are available to serve up |
| [12:59:35] | Saviq: | but that scan was happening in the frontend |
| [12:59:47] | Saviq: | these logs were from the frontend |
| [13:00:19] | GreyFoxx: | I didn't actually look at the logs :) |
| [13:00:27] | Saviq: | nvm |
| [13:00:27] | GreyFoxx: | If you are seeing it in the FE that's different |
| [13:00:31] | GreyFoxx: | are you running 0.21 ? |
| [13:00:41] | Saviq: | 0.22-fixes |
| [13:00:45] | Saviq: | I think I have it covered – File Browse Mode was enabled |
| [13:01:06] | GreyFoxx: | I don't believe the file browse stuff actually does the live scan when openning mythvideo any more |
| [13:01:14] | GreyFoxx: | at least not last I used it. But that could have been fixed before 0.22 was released |
| [13:01:22] | Saviq: | it didn't do it every time |
| [13:01:30] | Saviq: | I think after some settings were changed |
| [13:01:41] | Saviq: | it probably caches the file list somehow |
| [13:02:06] | Saviq: | the whole mythvideo experience changed quite some bit from 0.21 so I need to get used to it, sorry for being annoying |
| [13:04:54] | GreyFoxx: | It's much improved imho |
| [13:05:58] | justinh: | and then some |
| [13:06:07] | justinh: | the list view is actually usable now :) |
| [13:08:02] | justinh: | I mean look at the state of this: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . ontend-8.png |
| [13:08:16] | justinh: | bloody awful isn't it |
| [13:08:47] | justinh: | and this: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . ontend-7.png |
| [13:08:54] | justinh: | who could use something so ugly? |
| [13:11:22] | GreyFoxx: | Heh |
| [13:12:53] | justinh: | think I'm gonna try animated backgrounds & see how it goes |
| [13:13:43] | mzb_: | not my taste, but I'm sure it would suit some |
| [13:14:27] | mzb_: | (and I'm not talking about the taste in videos;) |
| [13:15:44] | mzb_: | if anyone's been paying attention to my rants & "announcements", I've been playing more with LCD's and developed what I think is a really nice font for the big clock. |
| [13:16:20] | mzb_: | I'd like to get around to also using the LCD for callerID, and various notifications |
| [13:16:31] | mzb_: | which brings me (eventually) to my point |
| [13:17:02] | mzb_: | is it possible or likely that there be a (or a number of) user-defined screen(s) for the LCD? |
| [13:17:05] | justinh: | mzb_: 'some' might not even be able to take advantage of it ;-) |
| [13:17:19] | mzb_: | of what? |
| [13:17:49] | justinh: | the theme |
| [13:18:06] | justinh: | blah blah blah, hate freedom etc etc etc |
| [13:18:26] | ** mzb_ locks justinh in the blue room ;) ** | |
| [13:18:42] | mzb_: | hmm ... nick |
| [13:18:42] | justinh: | mzb_: LCD screen themes are an interesting idea |
| [13:18:48] | mzb_: | want a peek? |
| [13:18:58] | justinh: | but maybe of limited use because of the variation in different types folks use |
| [13:19:30] | mzb_: | true, but 20x4 is pretty common |
| [13:19:33] | mzb_: | http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . re_frame.jpg |
| [13:19:43] | justinh: | saw that the other day |
| [13:19:56] | mzb_: | cool |
| [13:20:20] | mzb_: | I think I can get 3-line "large font" + single line for detail |
| [13:20:58] | justinh: | I've toyed with using a VFD but the novelty wore off pretty quick |
| [13:21:08] | mzb_: | so I'd like "0123456789\n<Fred>" for caller ID |
| [13:21:29] | mzb_: | or .. "RAIN\n4mm/hr" |
| [13:21:52] | mzb_: | ie: "user-defined" notifications to be added to the mix |
| [13:22:01] | Saviq: | is there a 'try and match all tv shows' script somewhere? |
| [13:22:10] | justinh: | from what I've seen of the LCD code you'd have to do a fair amount of hacking |
| [13:22:14] | justinh: | Saviq: meaning? |
| [13:22:19] | mzb_: | Saviq, power search? |
| [13:23:06] | mzb_: | not a lot ... redefine the custom chars, change some (strange) bits in mythlcdserver |
| [13:23:07] | justinh: | mzb_: I think to do it properly you may have to abstract out all the LCD routines |
| [13:23:19] | mzb_: | I don't think so |
| [13:23:24] | Saviq: | justinh: meaning I have multiple tv shows' episodes |
| [13:23:36] | justinh: | Saviq: still no clearer |
| [13:23:39] | Saviq: | and I'd like myth to try and automatically find a match for them on thetvdb |
| [13:23:46] | justinh: | ah |
| [13:23:55] | Saviq: | instead of going i > metadata > search by ... |
| [13:24:00] | mzb_: | it's simply a matter of defining some custom screens at low priority, and if the client requests them then raise the priority |
| [13:24:04] | justinh: | you need JAMU |
| [13:24:34] | mzb_: | it's a simple system (and might even be able to be controlled by the mythlcdserver telnet port) |
| [13:24:44] | justinh: | mzb_: just going by what I've seen in the general code – and i thought you were talking about being able to customise the format of displayed info completely |
| [13:25:16] | mzb_: | no, predefined format (mostly) |
| [13:25:16] | mzb_: | but customised content |
| [13:25:19] | mzb_: | (and different "screens") |
| [13:25:29] | mzb_: | ie: "custom/user notifications" |
| [13:25:49] | justinh: | might not be too hard I dunno. Never looked at mythlcdserver |
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| [13:26:04] | mzb_: | I guess I'd better come up with some patches |
| [13:26:16] | justinh: | mzb_: you're not thick, you'll figure it out :) |
| [13:26:24] | mzb_: | um |
| [13:26:35] | mzb_: | I'll have to think about that ;) |
| [13:27:14] | mzb_: | I'm currently doing some work with the guy who sells the lcd2usb modules on eBay (lcdmodkit) as he's got a|some errors in his firmware ... etc |
| [13:27:44] | mzb_: | once I get that out of the way I'll get back to my mythtv+LCD stuff and see what I can come up with |
| [13:29:08] | justinh: | guy I used to work with had an LCD module attached to a home PC via a stupidly long parallel port cable |
| [13:29:32] | mzb_: | yeah ... got sick of that, and better things to do with parallel |
| [13:29:39] | justinh: | scrolling the display slowed down the response time of his software controlled light switches |
| [13:29:40] | mzb_: | usb is much nicer |
| [13:29:46] | mzb_: | hehe |
| [13:30:17] | justinh: | he was crazy. Took a mains light switch, used an optoisolator run from the switched mains feed to a PC input |
| [13:30:19] | mzb_: | ECP+EPP makes that a bit better ;) |
| [13:30:36] | mzb_: | um ... |
| [13:30:54] | justinh: | sometimes there was +10sec of latency if the machine was busy. his wife was not happy |
| [13:31:19] | mzb_: | not wired to mains, but ... http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/RainTip . . . on_board.jpg |
| [13:31:20] | justinh: | not even X10 is that crap :) |
| [13:31:30] | justinh: | saw that too. not bad |
| [13:32:12] | mzb_: | X10 is ... tricky ... if you've got (at least) one device without collision detection |
| [13:32:30] | mzb_: | gets a little painful |
| [13:32:35] | justinh: | personally if I ever do HA I'll prolly go with DMX |
| [13:32:53] | mzb_: | if I had $ .. :) |
| [13:32:56] | justinh: | it's more hassle in the long run but *way* cheaper |
| [13:33:12] | justinh: | X10 kit is way too expensive over here still |
| [13:33:32] | mzb_: | the system I've got is DEAD cheap ... and *mostly* works |
| [13:33:32] | justinh: | like £15 per switch/dimmer |
| [13:33:46] | justinh: | and those are just the appliance modules not the actual switch fittings |
| [13:33:51] | mzb_: | uhuh ... we run same voltage etc here ... even more expensive |
| [13:34:24] | mzb_: | there was a clearance recently of one brand from a nationwide retailer ... I cleared out all 3 stores |
| [13:34:30] | justinh: | the benefit of X10 though is no rewiring (in theory) |
| [13:34:41] | justinh: | no wall digging – has to be a bonus |
| [13:34:45] | mzb_: | since then I've accumulated various bits and pieces on ebay |
| [13:35:04] | mzb_: | _and_ bought some stuff from the States and modified them |
| [13:35:13] | justinh: | and since we're in Europe we look fwd to CFLs buggering it all up |
| [13:35:27] | justinh: | non-dimmable 'bulbs' too. Grr |
| [13:35:45] | mzb_: | in general it all works pretty well ... although there are a few exceptions (my programming and the collision detection) |
| [13:35:49] | justinh: | then there's the static power consumption of the X10 kit itself |
| [13:35:54] | mzb_: | meh |
| [13:36:31] | justinh: | mate here has X10 & huge bills. we found out one X10 appliance module was eating 2W the whole time |
| [13:36:32] | mzb_: | I've got CFL's _and_ normal bulbs |
| [13:36:51] | mzb_: | also control irrigation, heating, fan ... etc |
| [13:36:56] | justinh: | 50 X10 modules.. it adds up |
| [13:37:28] | mzb_: | yeah, but if you're paying <$5 ea it gets interesting ;) |
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| [13:37:47] | justinh: | yeah if you're smart you could aggregate the savings |
| [13:37:49] | mzb_: | and you don't need that many to make life (even) more interesting ;) |
| [13:38:07] | neztiti: | guys why i cant find any ch. – i cant scan |
| [13:38:25] | justinh: | said friend of mine ended up putting another X10 controller ahead of a whole block of them to turn them off en-mass |
| [13:38:32] | justinh: | neztiti: analogue scanning is broken in 0.22 |
| [13:38:54] | neztiti: | its 21 |
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| [13:38:56] | neztiti: | ubuntu 9.04 |
| [13:39:04] | justinh: | so then tell us what tuner card, transmission type, yada yada |
| [13:39:15] | justinh: | whether or not the card works outside mythtv... |
| [13:39:31] | neztiti: | twinhan card – dst |
| [13:39:31] | mzb_: | turns out I've had an alarm system (given to me) for 5 years that's X10 capable ... only the X10 transformer was never made|released in .au ... so I bought the real thing from .us and modified it ... works perfectly .. and gives me an extra 3 motion sensors in the mix (for a total of 9) |
| [13:39:33] | justinh: | you know. all the important stuff so we don't have to torture you asking endless questions |
| [13:39:49] | justinh: | so digital? ATSC/DVB/Que ? |
| [13:40:11] | Dibblah: | Alarm system over X10? |
| [13:40:11] | ** mzb_ plugs his soldering iron in ** | |
| [13:40:24] | Dibblah: | No, I can't see _anything_ that could go wrong there. |
| [13:40:34] | justinh: | prolly more for controlling lights through the alarm sensors |
| [13:40:39] | justinh: | that kind of thing |
| [13:40:39] | Saviq: | what about .txt subtitles in the internal player? I saw a 'encoding' selection in the configs, but can't find a way to enable them in the player? |
| [13:40:45] | mzb_: | no, notifications from the alarm system over X10 ... eg "chime" |
| [13:41:03] | mzb_: | (aka: movement) |
| [13:41:12] | justinh: | mzb_: cool feature to have |
| [13:41:16] | mzb_: | and lights, etc |
| [13:41:21] | mzb_: | yeah, I think so |
| [13:41:39] | justinh: | not something you couldn't add outside the box.. but still.. |
| [13:41:42] | justinh: | hassle saving |
| [13:41:42] | mzb_: | didn't quite realise the significance until it was all plugged in and working |
| [13:41:52] | neztiti: | where is mythtv channels |
| [13:42:08] | GreyFoxx: | the internal player supports .txt subtitles? Cool. I guess I only ever thing of .srt and the embedded type without the video itself |
| [13:42:11] | mzb_: | turns out I've even got some buttons that do X10 "things" on the alarm remote ... go figure ;) |
| [13:42:11] | justinh: | Saviq: what about them? thought they had to be at least .srt files & the same name (e.g. video.avi and video.srt) |
| [13:42:43] | Saviq: | justinh: so no support for MicroDVD and other .txt (.sub) formats? |
| [13:42:52] | justinh: | Saviq: no idea |
| [13:42:57] | ** mzb_ trots off to see if he's still capable of soldering post midnight ** | |
| [13:43:11] | justinh: | Saviq: also there's a bug that if the filename has multiple dots..they won't work |
| [13:43:25] | justinh: | e.g. video.file.one.srt |
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| [13:43:51] | ** justinh doesn't care about subtitles one teensy bit. Sorry ** | |
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| [13:45:14] | yunosh: | hi, am i still misunderstanding how jamu -MW works? shouldn't it automatically search tmdb vs. tvdb depending on whether the recording is a movie or a series? |
| [13:45:39] | justinh: | doesn't the wiki page give all that kind of info? |
| [13:46:18] | yunosh: | no |
| [13:47:30] | justinh: | "As of change set [21897] the Jamu option -MW will attempt to find and download graphics from TVDB and TMDB for Miro videos." Seems damn clear to me |
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| [13:48:47] | justinh: | it'll probably get confused if TV shows have the same name as movies (as in tv shows, not movies shown on teevee) |
| [13:48:51] | yunosh: | no, because 1) this is referring to miro, and 2) it doesn't answer whether it always tries both or depending on the recording type |
| [13:49:15] | justinh: | I assume it makes an educated guess |
| [13:49:33] | justinh: | that'd be logical, no? |
| [13:49:59] | yunosh: | logical? not at all |
| [13:50:20] | justinh: | why not? |
| [13:50:26] | yunosh: | how does it make a guess? because when i run it with -V i only see messages about "tv series" |
| [13:50:43] | justinh: | sigh |
| [13:51:08] | yunosh: | no reason to sigh, it's a simple, straight forward question |
| [13:51:48] | justinh: | sigh |
| [13:52:15] | yunosh: | thanks, you're very helpful. better don't answer if you don't care to. |
| [13:52:25] | justinh: | no, it's LOGICAL to assume that the script will try to determine if the recording is a movie from the category info |
| [13:52:38] | justinh: | and if so, would then use tmdb |
| [13:52:51] | justinh: | but I don't know the script innards so I can't say for sure |
| [13:52:54] | ** mzb_ has -MW running daily as a cron job ** | |
| [13:53:07] | mzb_: | (seems to work) |
| [13:54:09] | justinh: | so hey, let's open JAMU's code & see what it actually does huh |
| [13:54:22] | yunosh: | mzb_: it *does* work, but only partially, and i'm trying to find out why |
| [13:54:27] | justinh: | and then we'll know |
| [13:54:42] | mzb_: | verified by the background image on the lcd here: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . etv_full.jpg |
| [13:54:44] | yunosh: | justinh: the pointer to the category info is helpful, i'm gonna check that |
| [13:54:55] | justinh: | like I said, logical :) |
| [13:55:05] | justinh: | how else would it be able to tell? ;) |
| [13:55:14] | mzb_: | yunosh, have you found what it _doesn't_ work for? |
| [13:55:27] | justinh: | if it's getting confuzzled with some recordings, maybe your EPG category info is wrong in places |
| [13:56:12] | yunosh: | justinh: that's well possible, no SD here |
| [13:56:48] | yunosh: | mzb_: just an example that's probably good, because it's the same in all languages: citizen kane |
| [13:57:02] | mzb_: | hmm |
| [13:57:17] | yunosh: | it didn't find it until i explicitly specified the id in the jamu config |
| [13:57:18] | mzb_: | most of my misses seem to be local (.au) shows |
| [13:57:30] | mzb_: | ah |
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| [13:57:45] | yunosh: | mzb_: yeah, i don't expect any results from local one-time shows :) |
| [13:57:57] | yunosh: | that's why i picked citizen kane |
| [13:58:18] | mzb_: | not talking about one-timers ;) |
| [13:58:49] | mzb_: | I'd like to see fanart for PLAY-SCHOOL! ;)) |
| [13:59:13] | yunosh: | whatever that is :) yeah, but i got you |
| [13:59:24] | mzb_: | (or at least my 4yo would;)) |
| [14:00:01] | mzb_: | I grew up with PlaySchool (on ABC in .au) ... so it's got to be ~40 yo show |
| [14:00:27] | yunosh: | justinh: no, category_type is correctly set to "movie" for citizen kane |
| [14:00:43] | ** mzb_ drops his glasses and then can't find his walking frame ** | |
| [14:00:50] | justinh: | is citizen kane on tmdb? ;-) |
| [14:01:10] | yunosh: | heh, yeah |
| [14:01:43] | justinh: | so it's going for tvdb.com on that title immediately with the -MW option? |
| [14:01:45] | yunosh: | and it *did* pick the fanart after i specified the imdb id manually |
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| [14:03:45] | ** mzb_ would trade a beer for a _working_ fine-point felt-tip marker! ** | |
| [14:04:08] | ** ivor has one in his desk. ** | |
| [14:04:14] | ivor: | :) |
| [14:04:16] | justinh: | muhhhh python sucks |
| [14:04:45] | ** mzb_ beers ivor ** | |
| [14:05:58] | yunosh: | justinh: i can't test for citizen kane anymore, because this is loaded now, but for others it either says "no movie inetref", even though i can find them on tmdb, or "tv series – no ..." without the inetref message |
| [14:08:32] | mzb_: | ooh, add a "currently playing <insert my music video>" to the LCD screen wishlist |
| [14:08:38] | ** mzb_ is currently watching Powderfinger ** | |
| [14:09:43] | mzb_: | has to be through the telnet interface for mythlcdserver, I reckon |
| [14:10:24] | ** mzb_ continues his search for a felt-tip ** | |
| [14:10:31] | gbee: | yunosh: probably a TMDB site problem |
| [14:10:51] | yunosh: | another question: is there a movie equivalent to series_name_override? because it seems to ignore my movie overrides i put there |
| [14:11:19] | yunosh: | gbee: given the constant overload on that site, that would be an option too, i guess |
| [14:11:55] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: I wrote Jamu and can tell you the search sequence. If there is no subtitle (episode) then find on TMDB. If not found on TVDB then try on TVDB. Of course a jamu.config file overrides changes those dynamics. |
| [14:12:30] | justinh: | RDV_Linux: stupid question but could it not try on the category field 'film' or 'movie' ? |
| [14:12:45] | yunosh: | the 2nd sentence should read: if not found on tmdb then try on tvdb? or vice versa? |
| [14:13:07] | justinh: | just over here us uk_rt xmltv users get really bitty subtitles nowadays |
| [14:14:09] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Yes the second sentence should be reversed. Also the EPG data for category was less reliable then subtitle. It depends on the country. |
| [14:14:09] | justinh: | heh |
| [14:14:09] | justinh: | go figure |
| [14:14:40] | yunosh: | okay, that's a complete new thing to watch out for :) |
| [14:14:52] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Jamu -MW is a best guess situation heavily dependant on the quality of the EPG data. |
| [14:14:55] | justinh: | not that I want fanart in my watch recordings screen :) |
| [14:15:12] | yunosh: | e.g. my eit epg puts the first line of the description into the subtitle – very useful |
| [14:15:23] | yunosh: | good luck i get most of the epg from xmltv |
| [14:15:36] | justinh: | yunosh: then the EIT parsing needs a fixup |
| [14:16:03] | gbee: | which reminds me, I need to keep up the pressure on the xmltv lads to implement my genre suggestion so that more grabbers will use standard values which we can use for this sort of thing |
| [14:16:04] | yunosh: | justinh: not, it's the f***d up cable company, not the parser's fault |
| [14:16:05] | justinh: | actually we keep getting 1st lines of descriptions as subtitles here on EIT too |
| [14:16:25] | justinh: | yunosh: yeah but the parser has workarounds coded in |
| [14:16:30] | yunosh: | ah |
| [14:16:48] | gbee: | justinh: in that case it's _because_ of the fixups on UK eit ;) |
| [14:17:00] | gbee: | they commonly stick the subtitle in the description :) |
| [14:17:04] | justinh: | if you ever get bored, read the source :) |
| [14:17:07] | yunosh: | well the information is crap compared to my xmltv provider anyway, so i prefer that. but it doesn't provide information for all channels |
| [14:17:28] | justinh: | gbee: it's worst on radio channels IME |
| [14:17:49] | justinh: | bloody xmltv & EIT monkeys |
| [14:17:52] | justinh: | they all want sacked |
| [14:18:08] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: how about the series_name_override for movies? |
| [14:18:28] | justinh: | it'd be really nice if they could get together & use common series ID & programme IDs too |
| [14:18:40] | justinh: | then it'd be super-easy to mix EIT with xmltv |
| [14:18:43] | gbee: | justinh: well like I said, that's probably our fault and not theirs, EIT doesn't have 'subtitles', we have to try and pull that info from the description but it's no foolproof |
| [14:18:53] | yunosh: | ah, no wait. these are old recording that still have eit info |
| [14:18:58] | yunosh: | and thus subtitles |
| [14:19:02] | justinh: | eit doesn't? sure I've seen it on STBs |
| [14:19:08] | gbee: | justinh: nope |
| [14:19:09] | yunosh: | let's see how that works if i wipe them out |
| [14:19:15] | gbee: | title + description |
| [14:19:33] | justinh: | eew |
| [14:19:51] | gbee: | but the EIT monkeys put what we'd called the subtitle at the beginning of the description |
| [14:20:15] | gbee: | at least in the UK and for those programs that have titles |
| [14:20:27] | gbee: | err, episodes that have titles |
| [14:20:55] | yunosh: | can someone explain me the differences between the record, recorded, and recordedprogram tables? |
| [14:20:57] | gbee: | so we look for a short sentence at the start of the description |
| [14:21:16] | gbee: | record – To be recorded, the schedules |
| [14:21:42] | gbee: | recorded – Programs which have been recorded and still exist (haven't been deleted) |
| [14:22:02] | gbee: | recordedprogram – Additional information about the programs in the recorded table |
| [14:22:33] | gbee: | recorded + recordedprogram are two halves of the same information |
| [14:22:33] | justinh: | heh didn't know about recordedprogram |
| [14:22:43] | Dibblah: | It's a newish split. |
| [14:23:00] | justinh: | my 0.21 backend has it too |
| [14:23:24] | justinh: | hey did ITV get rid of the adverts in their uk_rt data? when did that happen? |
| [14:23:29] | yunosh: | okay, thanks. follow-up question: shouldn't recorded and recordedprogram contain the same number of rows then? and should record not only contain future recordings? |
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| [14:24:09] | justinh: | yunosh: record will contain all recording rules you ever set up AFAIK |
| [14:24:31] | gbee: | justinh: don't remember ever seeing that |
| [14:24:38] | yunosh: | ah, so it's the rules storage, not for upcoming recordings |
| [14:25:19] | gbee: | but if it did happen then a) RT probably wouldn't have stood for it for long b) Nick would have figured out a way of filtering it out in the grabber |
| [14:25:33] | justinh: | gbee: yeah they used to be a line or 2 of summary & about 3 lines of advert for a premium rate catchup service |
| [14:25:38] | yunosh: | there's still a lot of redundant data and a row number mismatch in recorded and recordedprogram though |
| [14:25:54] | justinh: | yunosh: if it's working, don't mess with it |
| [14:26:06] | justinh: | if it's not working right, don't mess with it. Fix it |
| [14:26:15] | justinh: | bottom line – don't mess with the DB yourself :) |
| [14:26:29] | yunosh: | it isn't :) i want to nuke the broken subtitles from eit |
| [14:26:33] | justinh: | and certainly without having a recent backup |
| [14:27:17] | justinh: | *not* without, I mean :) |
| [14:27:55] | ** mzb_ undeletes 2 years of database backups ** | |
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| [14:28:13] | justinh: | jesus. I only have 10GB free in my recordings SG |
| [14:28:45] | mzb_: | *cackle* |
| [14:29:17] | yunosh: | that's what i have most of the time :) |
| [14:29:20] | ** mzb_ chokes on something ** | |
| [14:30:17] | justinh: | I think I'm gonna switch to autoexpiring stuff with the watched flag |
| [14:30:29] | justinh: | my wife CBA to delete anything |
| [14:30:39] | yunosh: | for the record :) the subtitles actually bein used are the ones from "recorded" |
| [14:30:40] | mzb_: | good luck with that setting |
| [14:31:08] | mzb_: | (sounds good in theory) |
| [14:32:10] | justinh: | and a cron job to automagically delete Ugly Better |
| [14:32:14] | justinh: | *Betty |
| [14:32:20] | mzb_: | but once the squirrel takes chunks out of your storage some of these "nice" settings don't seem to work as advertised (or quite as intended) |
| [14:33:13] | mzb_: | how about a cron job to delete any rule to record Ugly %Anything% ? ... that'd solve the problem, right? ;) |
| [14:34:57] | mzb_: | I've spent the last year explaining auto-expire ... think I've finally got the point through => buy me another few 1TB drives + a new mobo/cpu/mem/psu/etc and _then_ you can save whatever you like |
| [14:35:55] | mzb_: | until then _everything_ is autoexpire (not _such_ an issue with 3.75TB, right?) |
| [14:36:23] | mzb_: | [except for what _I_ want, of course']] |
| [14:36:38] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Actually the series_name_override works on title matching and you can put a IMDB# or TVDB# as the override. The hole for -MW is if the title is a TV series and there is no subtitle the override is assumed to be a TMDB#. TMDB#s and TVDB#s overlap. |
| [14:37:21] | yunosh: | tmdb# are the same like imdb#? |
| [14:39:10] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: No TMDB# are 1 to 6 digits with no zero padding while TVDB#s are always 5 or 6 digits. They overlap. |
| [14:40:25] | yunosh: | okay. i thought tmdb was re-using imdb ids |
| [14:41:03] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: 0.22+fixes uses IMDB# to look up movies on TMDB this is a legacy situation. In the future MythTV will migrate to TMDB#s |
| [14:41:17] | yunosh: | ah |
| [14:42:09] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: A hassle with using IMDB#s for TMDB movies is that people do not always input the IMDB# for a movie so MythTV cannot find all the available movies. |
| [14:42:48] | mzb_: | hmm, Play School is on tvdb. Perhaps I'd better recheck ... |
| [14:42:53] | mzb_: | later |
| [14:43:29] | yunosh: | no kidding. it's even worse for me, because tvdb only has english data at the moment, so i still use ofdb for german data in mythvideo |
| [14:43:29] | ** mzb_ can't take another late nite ** | |
| [14:43:33] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Jamu had made the switch to TMDB#s and now supports TMDB and IMDB for movies and TVDB for TV Series. |
| [14:44:32] | yunosh: | originally i wanted metadata from ofdb and fanart from tmdb, but i gave up on that one :) |
| [14:45:55] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: There may be a way around your dilemma. I was conversing with a fellow from Finland and he had the same issue. What he did was add to TVDB the Finish series titles and Jamu will fins the series bit get the English (fallback) graphics. |
| [14:46:32] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: His series titles in Finish matches his EPG data. |
| [14:48:25] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: oh, that's not the problem, a lot of german titles and data are already in tmdb. but there's no way to retrieve them |
| [14:48:37] | yunosh: | i want the german description |
| [14:49:49] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Ok he did not care about English descriptions. You do know that Jamu has a language option and will use that option to try to find metadata on TVDB? |
| [14:50:27] | yunosh: | yes, sure. doesn't help with tmdb though. but i don't have much in video anyway, so i can live with not having fanart for those |
| [14:50:43] | yunosh: | i still get the covers, even if with a bad resolution |
| [14:51:35] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: TMDB has not as yet enabled mutli-languages on their new 2,1 API |
| [14:51:59] | yunosh: | yep |
| [14:52:06] | justinh: | whee 211GB free now |
| [14:52:39] | yunosh: | btw, works much better after nuking the subtitles of movies |
| [14:52:57] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: MythTV's next release will support the TMDB 2.1 api and language selection. |
| [14:53:19] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Your movies had subtitles? |
| [14:53:21] | justinh: | ah but will tmdb still work then? donate now! |
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| [14:53:57] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: yes, what we discussed earlier here, broken eit parsing |
| [14:54:35] | RDV_Linux: | justinh: Decent enough question. They did get some corporate money and upgraded their hardware a few weeks ago. |
| [14:54:55] | justinh: | corporate money? |
| [14:55:20] | yunosh: | ah, if i have remove fanart (because it was fetched for the wrong movie/series) i still have to remove it from the themcache, right? |
| [14:55:53] | RDV_Linux: | justinh: I think they only got a one time $15K but I am working from memory and 3rd hand rumor. |
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| [14:56:44] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: The only time I remember the cache getting in the way was with the posters. |
| [14:57:10] | yunosh: | hm, okay |
| [14:58:51] | yunosh: | it's still loading Ali G. fanart instead of Ali (the boxer) :) got to fiddle with overrides again |
| [14:59:06] | mzb_: | hehe |
| [15:01:06] | ** mzb_ mourns the loss of Isla to Ali* ... but moves on ... to bed ** | |
| [15:07:59] | yunosh: | does anybody know how to add aliases on tvdb? |
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| [15:11:07] | fred1_: | im running a split fe/be system. sometimes, when playing video, the video 'pauses' every few seconds, like its waiting for more video data.. it seems like its not pre-buffering enough and keeps catching the end.. ive looked and I can seem to find no way to tell the frontend to use a larger buffer.. is this possible? |
| [15:14:12] | justinh: | ENOTENOUGHNETWORKBANDWIDTH? |
| [15:15:55] | fred1_: | It only happens sometimes. |
| [15:16:05] | fred1_: | nothing else is using bandwidth |
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| [15:16:36] | fred1_: | it seems like if myth would just buffer a bit further ahead before starting to play, it would solve the problem |
| [15:17:10] | Saviq: | how does jamu distinguish movies from tv series? I have multiple series files that have series and episode defined but jamu still tries to find the data on imdb |
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| [15:19:04] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: ist there some issue with searching tmdb for non-ascii titles? |
| [15:19:29] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: If your EPG data has no subtitle (episode) then find on TMDB. If not found on TMDB then try on TVDB. Of course a jamu.config file overrides changes those dynamics. |
| [15:19:40] | fred1_: | for instance, i had playback paused for a minute or so.. I unpaused it, and it played less than a second before 'sticking'.. how can it possibly not have at least a few seconds of video buffered, ready to go? |
| [15:20:01] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: I mean that for mythvideo files, not recorded ones |
| [15:20:33] | justinh: | fred1_: wireless huh |
| [15:20:36] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: No multi langauge character set work but they must match the source's title exactly (TMDB or TVDB) |
| [15:20:38] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: nevermind, looks like the issue is with the api. tmdb.pl doesn't work with non-ascii either |
| [15:22:09] | fred1_: | so how can I tell the FE to buffer more of the stream.. so that its always has several seconds ahead of where its playing buffered in ram at the FE |
| [15:22:13] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: For MythVideo files the file name is parsed for TV series, season and episode numbers. If they are not found then a movie is assumed. |
| [15:22:18] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: is jamu using tmdb.pl or the api directly? |
| [15:23:00] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Jamu uses the api directly but TMDB v2.0. |
| [15:23:11] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: yeah that's what I thought, it fails for me because I have Series/S00/00. Episode naming scheme |
| [15:23:19] | Saviq: | and it only considers 00. Episode |
| [15:24:05] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: tmdb.pl too |
| [15:24:11] | justinh: | 3 digit episode numbers? heh |
| [15:24:39] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: A user supplied a patch so that Jamu will also parse the directory for info. I will start to test it in the next few days. Assuming it works then it will only be added to trunk. |
| [15:24:56] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: ok thanks |
| [15:29:33] | JREwing: | Hello ppl. Iam coming just to ask for your experience. I have just setted up a solition with MythTV (and few others utilites) to allow MythTV broadcast and record whole DVB transponder using one card per transponder. Iam not limited by "5" recorders per card with all other disadvantages. And I want to write shord article describing setup. I want to ask where is the best place to place the article. Into mythtv talk forum? MythTV wiki (I |
| [15:30:30] | yunosh: | yeah, looks like the tmdb api doesn't support unicde, while the website search does. that's a bummer |
| [15:30:59] | justinh: | you need the USA to come & bring ascii-baseddemocracy |
| [15:31:14] | yunosh: | :) |
| [15:31:25] | justinh: | just discover oil & you'll be democratized (sic) in no time |
| [15:31:49] | justinh: | oops. not today though. they're busy |
| [15:32:54] | yunosh: | not even latin1 works |
| [15:32:59] | justinh: | homeytimey |
| [15:34:13] | yunosh: | heh, utf-8 is explicitely mentioned to be supported in 2.1 but it still doesn't work |
| [15:34:17] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: I was reading the back log and saw your "instead of going i > metadata > search by ..." statement. Did you know in MythVideo you only need to press "w" for metadata retrieval rather than go through the menu? |
| [15:34:39] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: yes I noticed that later |
| [15:34:49] | Saviq: | and I'll do that just now |
| [15:35:00] | Saviq: | after I fix some of my series' data |
| [15:35:06] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: It is very fast using "w" |
| [15:35:29] | Saviq: | yep |
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| [15:42:14] | fred1_: | even more screwy, sometimes it will play for ten or fifteen minutes without the jerkiness. then it starts jerking again. i can even let it play (jerkily) for a bit, and then rewing it over _what it just played_, and should still be in the buffer, and it still jerks when it pays it again.. |
| [15:42:29] | fred1_: | is there no one that has any idea how to tell the FE to BUFFER MORE DATA when playing a video stream? |
| [15:43:03] | fred1_: | its almost like its buffering nothing. like it was written back before anyone had a concept of buffering data when transferring it over a network |
| [15:43:53] | fred1_: | i could understand with watching live tv, since maybe you want to change the channel and not have to wait, but for playback of a recording, there is no reason it shouldnt be buffering |
| [15:43:55] | gbee: | ubuntu has no gui for setting up mounts, particularly nfs? |
| [15:44:19] | fred1_: | if you need a gui to setup nfs mounts, you probably shouldnt be doing it |
| [15:44:36] | gbee: | of course I don't *&&^ |
| [15:44:43] | fred1_: | :P |
| [15:45:08] | gbee: | but Ubuntu is supposed to be the newbie distro so where are the tools that other distros have had for years? |
| [15:45:26] | fred1_: | of course, ubuntu tends to be used by the lowest common denominator of non-windows os's... so I wouldnbt be surprised if it had |
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| [15:46:25] | fred1_: | something else has a gui for setting up fns mounts? heck, why not make a two-button gui for targeting and launching nuclear weapons.. or building them.. |
| [15:47:08] | fred1_: | or wait nuke power plants.. sure.. why not put a gui on running one of those, so even someone that knows nothing about it can do it. nfs mounts arent nearly dangerous enough |
| [15:49:07] | gbee: | point being that with a GUI it takes a few seconds and doesn't require you to remember the paths between machines – but that's really beside the point, the attitude is one which I'll never understand, it's quite sad really |
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| [15:50:17] | gbee: | one wonders why I bothered wasting the last 2 years writing a new GUI for myth when some people would rather do everything from a command line (probably with video rendered with ASCII) |
| [15:52:44] | sid3windr: | aalib! |
| [15:52:48] | sid3windr: | \o/ |
| [15:53:33] | Dibblah: | ... A text painter! ;) |
| [15:54:18] | gbee: | if anyone ever calls Ubuntu a user friendly distro again I'll have to slap them ;) |
| [15:54:25] | yunosh: | no kidding, i was trying to test a video with vlc over x11 forwarding and got ascii art rendered movie on the console :) |
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| [15:55:45] | Saviq: | gbee: IMO nfs support should land in GIO/GVFS, so that you can simply put 'nfs://serwer/path' and get on with it |
| [15:56:15] | gbee: | Saviq: yeah, that's something that KDE has allowed for years (as well) |
| [15:56:33] | gbee: | nfs, smb, sftp, scp etc |
| [15:57:02] | yunosh: | where is inetref stored for a recording? or is it always requested on-the-fly? |
| [15:59:45] | gbee: | it's not stored for recordings, only videos |
| [16:01:07] | gbee: | I'm definitely have to write a playlist transfer/export feature into mythmusic, manually selecting and copying over tracks to my mp3 player is painful |
| [16:02:32] | fred1_: | to be perfectly honest, I *wish* I could configure a myth backend without needing its gui. I wish there was a plain ascii tet config file, that I could ssh in, and edit with a plain text editor.. but no, you *have* to have X up, and you have to run the gui |
| [16:03:03] | fred1_: | there is no reason something that functions as a 'server' like a mythbackend should require a gui to setup, install, or operate |
| [16:03:42] | gbee: | yes there is – no-one has written an alternative, welcome to OSS, get off your arse |
| [16:04:03] | fred1_: | gui's shuld be written *on top* of a non-gui system |
| [16:04:26] | fred1_: | look how k3b works.. it exec outs and calls wodim, or growisofs.. which are completely function tools that work without a gui |
| [16:04:55] | fred1_: | you'd have to completely rewrite mythbackend for it to load its config from a text file |
| [16:05:26] | yunosh: | fred1_: stop telling people how they should spend their free time |
| [16:05:28] | fred1_: | instead of seperate well-functioning individual pieces, none dependent on the other, its all one monolithic 'thing' |
| [16:06:01] | fred1_: | it works more like a windows program |
| [16:06:05] | fred1_: | than a *nix program |
| [16:06:37] | iamlindoro: | wake me when you've done one iota of work on it |
| [16:06:41] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: Ali is still loading Ali G., though it's detected as a movie now, and i added the tmdb id to the overwrites |
| [16:06:46] | iamlindoro: | until then, your opinion is useless |
| [16:07:02] | fred1_: | Ah but I have. |
| [16:07:09] | fred1_: | I wont bother telling you which bit. |
| [16:07:14] | iamlindoro: | and if everyone wanted a batch of "seperate command line programs," they'd all be using Freevo |
| [16:07:22] | iamlindoro: | oh no, please, enlighten me |
| [16:07:31] | iamlindoro: | tell me what herculean task you've taken on for myth |
| [16:07:39] | fred1_: | you just keep guessing |
| [16:07:44] | fred1_: | while I ignore you |
| [16:07:47] | iamlindoro: | That's what I thought |
| [16:07:56] | fred1_: | you think whatever you want |
| [16:07:59] | fred1_: | as will I |
| [16:08:03] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Did you try adding the IMDB# instead of the TMDB#? |
| [16:08:40] | yunosh: | that's what i did first before you told me it was wrong :) but this was also before i removed the subtitle |
| [16:09:09] | fred1_: | just like the mytharchive 'module' that is incapable of working with the backend and frontend on different systems, with the storage being on the remote, headless, backend |
| [16:09:30] | fred1_: | not capable of using the existing functions in the backend to access files to write to dvd |
| [16:10:02] | iamlindoro: | wake me when your name is on some non-imaginary patches |
| [16:10:04] | yunosh: | fred1_: feel free to fix it. if not, stop whining |
| [16:10:14] | iamlindoro: | until then those of us pulling the weight around here have real work to do |
| [16:10:16] | fred1_: | sadly, nthing else does it better.. but many people think that about MS word, too |
| [16:10:20] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: It is not wrong just complicated as you and jamu are caught in the transition from movies using IMDB#s to TMDB#s. |
| [16:10:39] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: so, should it try that again? |
| [16:10:46] | fred1_: | 'fix' is far too small a word.. it would need a rewrite from the ground up |
| [16:10:56] | iamlindoro: | fork and enjoy |
| [16:11:04] | yunosh: | fred1_: so? do it |
| [16:11:06] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Try again but with a IMDB# |
| [16:11:55] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: use 0248667 and it should work |
| [16:12:04] | fred1_: | I simply dont have the time. |
| [16:12:14] | fred1_: | And no, that doesn't mean I can't call attention to its problems |
| [16:12:48] | yunosh: | fred1_: you should spent your spare free time on improving your social skills then :) |
| [16:12:52] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: I double checked that TMDB has Ali search able through IMDB 0248667 |
| [16:13:05] | Saviq: | fred1 well if you don't have the time, don't watch tv nor movies, you'll have much more free times and you won't be bothered by mythtv |
| [16:13:59] | fred1_: | Nope, I'll continue trying to work around its problems as best I can.. And if and when I feel like it, I will point out its shortcomings |
| [16:14:13] | fred1_: | perhaps someone that does have the time, who feels the same way, will take it up |
| [16:14:16] | fred1_: | or perhaps not |
| [16:14:19] | Saviq: | what you're doing now is not 'point out' |
| [16:14:27] | fred1_: | sure it is |
| [16:14:29] | Josh_: | "feature request without a patch" – ticket closed. |
| [16:14:38] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: yep works. so i 1) have to make sure the recordings are detected as movies and 2) use imdb# in the overrides |
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| [16:15:05] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Sound like a plan ;) |
| [16:15:07] | fred1_: | i'm pretty certain the 'fix' would be far beyond a 'patch' |
| [16:15:14] | fred1_: | its a core design flaw |
| [16:15:35] | Saviq: | so do something about it if you can do better |
| [16:15:53] | fred1_: | seems like we are recursing here.. "I simply dont have the time" |
| [16:16:06] | Saviq: | you think any of us do? |
| [16:16:14] | Josh_: | It seems you have plenty of time to troll IRC and whine about it! |
| [16:16:14] | fred1_: | I don't recall suggesting that |
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| [16:16:53] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: now, if only tmdb's api would work like the website search, i would have to make far fewer overrides |
| [16:16:54] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Just be aware that TMDB does not have a search able IMDB# for all of its movies. When you find gaps please fix them on TMDB for all of our benifit. |
| [16:17:02] | fred1_: | I suspect it would take a lot longer than the hour or so I've been here to completely write a better system from scratch |
| [16:17:03] | iamlindoro: | as always, it amounts to "mehhh, fix it for me" |
| [16:17:09] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: will do |
| [16:17:24] | fred1_: | feel free to point out where I specifically asked anyone to do anything? |
| [16:17:35] | iamlindoro: | thought I was on ignore, eh? |
| [16:17:51] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Give me an example for the tmdb api comment please. I am testing a new tmdb grabbers. |
| [16:17:57] | iamlindoro: | If you don't want to do it, and you're not asking anyone else to do it, what point in being a little petulant bitch about it? |
| [16:17:58] | fred1_: | I meant 'ignore' in the ordinary sense, not the irc setting sense |
| [16:18:30] | iamlindoro: | Welcome to linux. You do it. You wait for someone to do it. There is no option three. |
| [16:18:34] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: it's not the grabber, it doesn't work either if do the query directly over https |
| [16:18:37] | yunosh: | http |
| [16:18:40] | fred1_: | Well now that we've come to this point, I'm simply enjoying pissing you off |
| [16:18:50] | iamlindoro: | Well, actually, option three is be a complainy vagina on IRC about it and do neither A nor B |
| [16:18:52] | fred1_: | I'm ticked pink that you are so upset |
| [16:18:57] | yunosh: | iamlindoro: there is: you pay someone to do it |
| [16:19:04] | iamlindoro: | yunosh, True |
| [16:19:23] | iamlindoro: | I'm amused you think enough of yourself to think you're upsetting me |
| [16:19:42] | iamlindoro: | When you're just like every other windows user who gets an Ubuntu CD over a long holiday |
| [16:19:48] | fred1_: | Apparently enough for you to toss lame insults at me |
| [16:19:54] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: I am referring to a NEW replacement grabber for the 0.22 tmdb.pl. Your example may help be find a bug. |
| [16:19:55] | fred1_: | Ubuntu is crap |
| [16:20:07] | ** iamlindoro yawns ** | |
| [16:20:35] | fred1_: | The last time I had 'windows' installed on any system I use, you were probably still in diapers. |
| [16:21:02] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: i lost you. are you talking about the queries not giving a result on the api that work on the website, or something else? |
| [16:21:39] | iamlindoro: | So back to the core point-- you're not willing to "fix" it, you allegedly don't want anyone else to do it for you, so... ? |
| [16:21:39] | sid3windr: | lolol |
| [16:21:39] | sid3windr: | DIAPERS! |
| [16:22:07] | fred1_: | So.. ? what? |
| [16:22:11] | fred1_: | So nothing |
| [16:22:31] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: You seem to have examples of movies that the current grabber (tmdb.pl) cannot locate movies that actually exist on TMDB. I would like to find if my new grabber can find those movies. |
| [16:22:48] | yunosh: | uh, wtf? ali g. is back. without me doing another jamu run |
| [16:23:01] | fred1_: | So "I'll continue to muddle along with this poorly designed tool, until something better comes along. But I reserve the right to gripe about it anywhere and anyway I like" |
| [16:23:34] | iamlindoro: | And that differentiates you from the average helpless user how? |
| [16:23:35] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: as long as you use the same api, it won't make a difference, because the api is broken, not the grabber |
| [16:23:42] | sid3windr: | "opinions are like assholes, #mythtv-users is full of them" |
| [16:23:54] | fred1_: | And if someone gets the back up when I do, and wants to call me names, then I'll toss it right back at them |
| [16:24:21] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Did you delete the ali g images from your image directories? Try that. |
| [16:24:30] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: "Tim Burton's Corpse Bride – Hochzeit mit einer Leiche" or "Die Frau des Leuchtturmwärters" |
| [16:24:41] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: yes, before the last jamu run |
| [16:24:44] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: I also wrote replacement tmdb_api routines. |
| [16:24:54] | yunosh: | and then i had the correct fanart |
| [16:25:04] | yunosh: | now it's back to ali g. automagically |
| [16:25:23] | yunosh: | heh |
| [16:25:41] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Thanks for the examples. I do not have an answer for the ali g issue. |
| [16:25:43] | yunosh: | mythbuntu has an hourly cronjob of jamu running |
| [16:25:58] | yunosh: | that doesn't use my config file (yet) :) |
| [16:26:41] | yunosh: | that's actually a bad idea of the myhthbuntu folks. no wonder that tmdb goes to its limits |
| [16:27:09] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: For Mythbuntu the cron job uses the config in "/home/mythtv/.mythtv/jamu.conf" |
| [16:27:25] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: You could symlink the two files. |
| [16:27:55] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: not explicitely. does it load that file from $HOME automatically if none is specified? |
| [16:28:44] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: I do not know the answer to that one. |
| [16:29:05] | yunosh: | k, i will check that |
| [16:29:18] | yunosh: | it still shouldn't run hourly though. daily should be fine |
| [16:30:20] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: the patch you were talking about, does it also take movides' folder names into consideration or just tv shows? |
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| [16:31:12] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Actually some people run the -MW every 30 minutes. It only impacts the sources when there are missing graphics. |
| [16:32:31] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: it still requests ids for every recording that has missing graphics, that could be a lot |
| [16:32:47] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: I have not started testing the patch but it may only be for TV Series. What would your directory and video file name be for a movie? |
| [16:33:28] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: something along the lines of 'Movie.Title.some.crap.here/more-crap-here.avi' |
| [16:33:35] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: It really one gets a text response so the overhead is slight. |
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| [16:34:53] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: I guess I so not understand why the movie would be named like that and wonder how the Movie title could even be parsed out of the directory name. |
| [16:35:27] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: I doubt very much that the patch covers that example. |
| [16:36:08] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: yeah that's not a good naming scheme, I know |
| [16:36:16] | Saviq: | I should probably drop it altogether |
| [16:36:36] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: O may have got lost here but I assume you are referring to the -MW option. There should not be any interactive mode used with the -MW option. |
| [16:36:38] | Saviq: | they're just scene folder and file names |
| [16:37:18] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: uhm, yes. what are you referring to? :) |
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| [16:38:46] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: I was referring to "it still requests ids for every recording ..." to me that implies interactive mode. I could easily be wrong ;) |
| [16:40:18] | Saviq: | and RDV_Linux the file name could be dropped just as well, the folder name cleaned out of standard DVDRip etc. cruft, it can work quite well without renaming anything – just drop everything after a hyphen and clean out the standard tags |
| [16:40:22] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: heh, no, i assumed it works this way: check if a recording has graphics. if not, query tmdb or tvdb for the title. get back an id (or not) to continue querying graphics |
| [16:41:03] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: if that's correct, than it's sending a query for the tmdb/tvdb id for each recording without art |
| [16:41:04] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: You are right that is how the -MW option works. |
| [16:41:18] | yunosh: | k |
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| [16:42:50] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: hm there are still some recordings not loading for me. there is a movie that has been broadcasted in two parts, thus it has subtitles. if i understood you correctly, jamu would first search tvdb in that case. if it doesn't return any results (which is the case here) it should try tmdb, right? |
| [16:43:52] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: I will invite a patch for that enhancement ;) Please be aware that much to all if Jamu's functionality will eventually be absorbed into MythVideo itself. Jamu is a stop gap. |
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| [16:44:29] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: That makes both the MythVideo developer and myself reluctant to add features to Jamu. |
| [16:46:28] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: yeah I can imagine |
| [16:46:29] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Unfortunitely not. Jamu will check for TMDB for a subtitle-less "movie" and then check TVDB if nothing is found. It does not work in reverse. |
| [16:46:49] | yunosh: | ah, okay, i misunderstood then |
| [16:46:51] | yunosh: | too bad |
| [16:48:11] | yunosh: | btw, did anybody notice that "Scan Collection" in mythweb/video is deleting *all* meta data from mythvideo? nice one :) |
| [16:48:57] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh and Saviq: I can tell you that when you write something you have no idea how people will use it. The major issue I found is the variation between EPG, sources and people's video file naming conventions. They seem to have endless variations. |
| [16:49:16] | yunosh: | heh, i bet |
| [16:49:27] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: like I don't know that ;) |
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| [16:49:43] | Saviq: | that's like throwing a newbie onto vim and telling him to quit |
| [16:51:06] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: ;) |
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| [17:02:43] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: here i got one that's only doesn't work with jamu: "Cinema Paradiso" works fine through tmdb.pl but jamu says "No movie inetref [Cinema Paradiso (1988)]" |
| [17:03:55] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: I tested the "Tim Burton's Corpse Bride – Hochzeit mit einer Leiche" and your other example with the new TMDB grabber and it cannot find the TMDB movies either. Hopefully when TMDB properly supports multi-languages that can be fixed. |
| [17:04:38] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: https://meticulo.lighthouseapp.com/projects/1 . . . tle-problems |
| [17:04:39] | wagnerrp____: | yunosh: the mythvideo scan in mythweb works just fine |
| [17:04:51] | wagnerrp____: | it has just never been updated to support scanning of storage groups |
| [17:05:08] | yunosh: | wagnerrp____: ah, that's probably why. i use SGs |
| [17:05:16] | wagnerrp____: | so it will wipe out any SG content you have |
| [17:05:26] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Assuming you are a Mythbuntu user what jamu version are you using? |
| [17:05:39] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Just ./jamu -v |
| [17:06:09] | yunosh: | 0.5.9 |
| [17:06:17] | yunosh: | wagnerrp____: yeah |
| [17:07:37] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: and if you are interested, there is some problem with the xml library version detection. doesn't cause any problems thoughs |
| [17:07:48] | yunosh: | Warning – The module xml (v41660 or greater) must be installed. Your version is different (v0.8.4) than what Jamu was tested with. |
| [17:08:22] | wagnerrp____: | yeah, that has been poping up for a while now |
| [17:08:36] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: That should be fine. An updated Jamu v0.6.0 was released yesterday. Just a note the TMDB title for "Cinema Paradiso" is "Nuovo Cinema Paradiso" |
| [17:08:41] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: "Die Blechtrommel" is another one that jamu doesn't find but tmdb does |
| [17:09:03] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: re cinema paradiso, yeah, i noticed |
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| [17:14:18] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: The xml version has been mentioned before. Someone wrote that the base xml library is version-ed like what Jamu checks but when some additional library is added the version changes to your example. |
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| [17:20:59] | yunosh: | they should have done tmdb in php, not rails :) |
| [17:21:29] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: I do not know enough about either to add comment |
| [17:22:25] | laga_: | shoulda use java |
| [17:22:28] | ** laga_ is such a whore ** | |
| [17:22:34] | wagnerrp____: | i dont know anything about rails but i do tend to see a lot more rails errors than php errors |
| [17:23:15] | wagnerrp____: | you can always demand they rewrite it in php, because thats just how open source works |
| [17:23:44] | Dagmar: | dear Developers, |
| [17:23:49] | Dagmar: | NOT GOOD ENOUGH! YOU DO OVER! |
| [17:23:52] | Dagmar: | Sincerely, |
| [17:23:54] | Dagmar: | Your Users. |
| [17:24:14] | yunosh: | ah right, the website source is open. or was that tvdb? |
| [17:24:18] | sphery: | but if you do that, you demand they write it in Python |
| [17:24:35] | sphery: | (or whatever language you've just started to learn--as obviously that's the best language ever) |
| [17:24:49] | wagnerrp____: | sphery: see comment about $20 80plus Antecs at frys? |
| [17:24:53] | Dagmar: | Even if it's syntax is schizphrenic. |
| [17:24:53] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:25:03] | yunosh: | heh, i knew i would start a flamewar :) |
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| [17:25:11] | wagnerrp____: | i was confused as to why there was absolutely no traffic in the channel |
| [17:25:16] | sphery: | Unfortunately, it's a long drive. |
| [17:25:16] | wagnerrp____: | didnt even realize i was in the wrong one |
| [17:25:21] | Dagmar: | That would probably be netsplits |
| [17:25:27] | sphery: | Heh, yeah, I saw your comments and figured you were lost. |
| [17:25:30] | wagnerrp____: | yeah, closest one here is 2hrs away |
| [17:25:34] | Dagmar: | By the way, your underscores are showing. |
| [17:25:38] | wagnerrp____: | shame they sold out online so fast |
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| [17:25:40] | sphery: | Maybe too much Thanksgiving Eve booze? |
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| [17:25:56] | wagnerrp____: | Dagmar: yeah... rebuilding my file server, and i dont know my auth password |
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| [17:28:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp____: anyway, thanks for the comment on the PSU. I'm actually one short, but the system is one that almost never runs, so it's not a big deal. |
| [17:29:57] | wagnerrp____: | i got a couple machines that could stand to use new PSUs |
| [17:30:29] | wagnerrp____: | either because im using a 20--24 pin adapter, or because i shoehorned a bigger fan in to quiet it |
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| [17:31:24] | sphery: | I've been pleased with how quiet the fans on the 80 PLUS tend to be. |
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| [17:33:24] | Saviq: | guys, ttvdb.py does not fall back to english for fanart, is that a known / fixable issue? |
| [17:34:26] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: Do you have language explicitly set? |
| [17:34:33] | Saviq: | RDV_Linux: yes |
| [17:34:40] | Saviq: | should I not? |
| [17:34:54] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: Try without |
| [17:35:16] | Saviq: | but then I won't get them if they are available localized ;) |
| [17:35:29] | Saviq: | I'm not sure if fanart can be localized anyway... |
| [17:35:58] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: I only programed Jamu with fall back for images not ttvdb.py |
| [17:36:23] | RDV_Linux: | Saviq: All art work can be localized in TVDB |
| [17:38:13] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: have you been able to spot why those movies don't work with jamu? |
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| [17:38:56] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: The issues is with trying to match movie titles that are not matchable. |
| [17:39:28] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: sorry? :) |
| [17:40:18] | Josh_: | I have a TV show that seems to be named correctly, but the imdb metadata grabber won't work. I found the video on imdb's website, and entered the IMDB number manually, but it still won't download the metadata – what am I missing? |
| [17:41:19] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: The movie examples you gave have different tieles on TMDB therefore Jamu is not finding a match. |
| [17:41:57] | RDV_Linux: | Josh_: IMDB numbers are not used with TV shows. |
| [17:42:21] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: but if you query the tmdb api for those titles it returns matches |
| [17:42:46] | Josh_: | RDV_Linux, it's a 'made-for-tv" documentary – Would the IMDB number still not be used? |
| [17:43:54] | Josh_: | How does MythVideo know if a program is a Movie or a TV program? |
| [17:43:56] | RDV_Linux: | Josh_: Manually enter the TVDB number and you should have more luck. TVDB does not support a IMDB search. |
| [17:45:14] | RDV_Linux: | Josh_: By parsing the file name for season/episode number if it does not already have a inetref number on the data base. |
| [17:46:56] | Josh_: | RDV_Linux, there is no season/episode number in this filename. On another note, I can't find the program on TVDB, it only seems to be available on IMDB. |
| [17:47:34] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: TMDB has "alternate" titles which may not have been checked. |
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| [17:48:49] | RDV_Linux: | Josh_: In that case you are SOL for that video and would either have to add it to TVDB or manually enter the metadata in MythVideo. Try the latter and help us all. |
| [17:49:03] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: sorry, i don't follow. if the api returns a result with a title exactly matching the query, and i can retrieve metadata and graphics using the returned id, shouldn't jamu be able to do so too? |
| [17:49:23] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: "Die Blechtrommel" is such a case |
| [17:49:59] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Ok give me a chance to do a test or to. I will be back. |
| [17:50:10] | yunosh: | sure |
| [17:50:38] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: I assume you are using a -l de language code with jamu? |
| [17:51:10] | yunosh: | i specified the language in the config, yes |
| [17:51:49] | RDV_Linux: | ok be back soon |
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| [17:55:51] | [R]: | MUHAHA |
| [17:55:57] | [R]: | my plans for world domination are coming to fruition |
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| [17:58:11] | swerve: | why is mythtv messing up the audio sync on recordings? |
| [17:58:29] | swerve: | sometimes it's off by as much as -1005ms |
| [17:59:33] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: It worked for me see http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1688407 |
| [18:00:05] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: No movie selection was even required. |
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| [18:11:49] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: this is -MW fwiw |
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| [18:15:14] | Dagmar: | swerve: You failed to enable the aggressive audio buffering option, or... |
| [18:15:18] | Dagmar: | ...my personal favorite... |
| [18:15:30] | Dagmar: | ...stop pirating movies from people who can't encode them properly. |
| [18:15:58] | [R]: | rofl |
| [18:16:11] | [R]: | yes... you should only pirate movies from people who know what they are doing |
| [18:16:18] | Dagmar: | Too right |
| [18:19:44] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: Worked with -MW also, I faked a recorded record with the title "Die Blechtrommel" and an empty subtitle, See: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1688433 |
| [18:20:06] | swerve: | no, this is from tv. where is the "aggressive audio buffering" option? |
| [18:20:14] | swerve: | i don't see that anywhere |
| [18:22:09] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: And before you ask I retied with the ./jamu -l de -MWVs and it also worked |
| [18:24:38] | yunosh: | that's weird |
| [18:26:18] | yunosh: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1688443 is what i got |
| [18:28:07] | Josh_: | The Internal player uses ffmpeg libs, right? What other playback engines does it use? |
| [18:28:51] | Josh_: | My episodes of "Planet Earth" flash brightly and have lots of corruption, but when played in mplayer, are played perfectly. |
| [18:30:55] | wagnerrp____: | swerve: alternatively, youre running a recent version of trunk, with pulseaudio |
| [18:31:22] | wagnerrp____: | or youve set the env flag to force use of it on 0.22 |
| [18:31:27] | swerve: | lol – don't get me started on pulseaudio. no, this is not recent version, and with alsa |
| [18:31:48] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: "Bones – Die Knochenjägerin" is not "Die Knochenjägerin" you will need an override TVDB# for this show. |
| [18:32:28] | wagnerrp____: | Josh_: its all libavcodec (ffmpeg's stuff) |
| [18:32:33] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: yeah, i know :) i'm still referring to Die Blechtrommel. trying to debug this down |
| [18:32:54] | wagnerrp____: | is mythtv possibly running vdpau, while mplayer is doing software decoding and xv? |
| [18:33:06] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: oops sorry trying to eat lunch and got messed up |
| [18:33:11] | Josh_: | wagnerrp____, This machine is vdpau capable, but I have vdpau disabled. |
| [18:33:16] | swerve: | MythTV Version: Unknown |
| [18:33:33] | swerve: | Library API: 0.21.200080304–1 |
| [18:33:39] | wagnerrp____: | because if you encoded them improperly, too many reference frames and things such as that |
| [18:33:42] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: My German sucks (non existent) |
| [18:33:44] | wagnerrp____: | vdpau will barf |
| [18:33:57] | wagnerrp____: | swerve: you should probably consider updating to 0.22-fixes |
| [18:34:06] | Josh_: | wagnerrp____, that should not be an issue on my systems. |
| [18:34:30] | swerve: | the backend in debian is not updated and my frontends don't work with it then |
| [18:34:58] | wagnerrp____: | im surprised theres no 0.22 package for debian |
| [18:34:59] | swerve: | i would like to keep this version, because it was working before |
| [18:35:20] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: That is weird it tried the title as a movie bit could not find it so then tried the title as a TV show. I have no idea as it is working for me, |
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| [18:37:13] | notnerb: | Good afternoon and Happy Thanksgiving from WI, US |
| [18:37:48] | notnerb: | anybody sucessfully running HD content on their mythfrontends on a high-end P3? |
| [18:42:12] | [R]: | notnerb: you want to VIEW hd? |
| [18:42:23] | [R]: | what is a "high end" p3? |
| [18:42:23] | [R]: | lol |
| [18:42:39] | sid3windr: | lol. |
| [18:42:42] | notnerb: | well, actually I'd prefer if I could dumb it down to SD |
| [18:42:51] | sid3windr: | Pentium-M is a high end P3, isn't it |
| [18:43:03] | [R]: | i think the backend can automatically transcode |
| [18:43:05] | notnerb: | high-end = 1.2 Ghz |
| [18:43:13] | [R]: | 1.2 ghz isn't high end anything |
| [18:43:20] | notnerb: | indeed it is sid3windr |
| [18:43:43] | notnerb: | lol [R] i agree, but it's what i got! |
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| [18:44:10] | notnerb: | the 720p digital channels seem to work fine, with about 50% cpu |
| [18:44:44] | notnerb: | but once I pull in a 1080i channel, it "fails to reinit video" and if I re-open livetv it's really choppy |
| [18:44:46] | [R]: | so whats the problem |
| [18:44:59] | [R]: | you can try to use a pci nvidia 8400 |
| [18:45:58] | notnerb: | yeah, i'll have to check if i can solder in a new chip pin-compatible with the onboard sis 630 graphics :P |
| [18:46:10] | notnerb: | cause it's actually a laptop, but not a laptop |
| [18:46:26] | notnerb: | one of those "I only work on AC power" dealies |
| [18:47:04] | notnerb: | so nobody has heard of a "high-end" p3 huh? |
| [18:47:10] | notnerb: | lol |
| [18:47:23] | [R]: | sounds like a lost cause |
| [18:47:33] | [R]: | i had a lost cause |
| [18:47:39] | [R]: | and i just gave up and bought a new mb |
| [18:48:06] | notnerb: | yeah, that's the route i'm going to need to go i think... just wanted to make sure there was nothing else i can tweak... |
| [18:48:33] | notnerb: | is there any way to "live transcode" at the backend these 1080i signals to 720p so that the load is not put on the front end? |
| [18:48:56] | notnerb: | i would have a lot better luck plugging a PCI card into my backend in the basement... |
| [18:48:58] | [R]: | there is a transcode job |
| [18:49:04] | [R]: | not sure how it works though |
| [18:49:06] | [R]: | its in the documentation |
| [18:49:29] | notnerb: | alright :shrugs: |
| [18:49:46] | notnerb: | thanks for the vote of confidence on my high-end p3 though :) |
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| [18:50:24] | [R]: | there is no such thing as a high end p3 |
| [18:50:28] | [R]: | i thought we explained that to you |
| [18:50:41] | notnerb: | yeah i got it lol |
| [18:51:50] | notnerb: | thanks for your help, i'll start by holding out one of those red buckets i guess – tis the season (jk) |
| [18:55:11] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: i'll dig deeper,but it's dinner time now. talk to you later if i find something |
| [18:55:31] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: enjoy |
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| [19:03:41] | yunosh: | actually got a minute and found it: _getTmdbIMDB is getting more than one result from imdb_access.search_movie(). and since this is a non-interactive session, it returns false |
| [19:03:46] | yunosh: | but now i really have to go :) |
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| [19:04:31] | Saviq: | guys, is there no way to clear artwork for wrongly selected videos? |
| [19:04:40] | Saviq: | resetting metadata doesn't seem to do it |
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| [19:14:04] | xris: | hmm, 1T drive for $70 at tigerdirect.... mythbox could use an upgrade.... |
| [19:16:06] | notnerb: | thanks for the tip +xris |
| [19:21:26] | xris: | notnerb: link on hotdealsclub.com |
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| [20:00:05] | kinneh: | hi anybody know how to troubleshoot if all my recoding-rules wanised and I cant add new rules and cant view LiveTV but old recordings are ok |
| [20:00:12] | kinneh: | (debian lenny) |
| [20:00:27] | kinneh: | with mythtv from debian-multimedia.org |
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| [20:07:51] | antgel: | the mythbox i setup for my parents is a bit unreliable. they called me just now to say the screen had gone black and it wasn't responding to any buttons, when watching live tv. the log is here http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1688552 – just wondering if anyone can assist – i haven't restarted the frontend yet |
| [20:08:15] | antgel: | i'd like to try and fix problems and report bugs rather than just shrug my shoulders and restart the frontend |
| [20:08:42] | antgel: | i have to say i never had these issues with my 0.21 box – i don't know if it's 0.22 playing up, or VDPAU being crap |
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| [20:11:12] | antgel: | oh shite |
| [20:11:57] | justinh: | kinneh: first check the database integrity |
| [20:12:22] | justinh: | antgel: you're using vdpau for just lil' ole mpeg2 sdtv? |
| [20:12:34] | justinh: | just how lame is the frontend ? ;-) |
| [20:12:59] | antgel: | justinh: dunno, it's set to use the vdpau slim profile, not sure what it was using in this case. however, see http://pastebin.ca/1688557. am worried that disk is failing |
| [20:12:59] | justinh: | vdpau *rendering* sure.. not needed for acceleration shurelee |
| [20:13:55] | justinh: | ouch. nasty pastie |
| [20:14:06] | justinh: | I'd be worried the disk is failing too |
| [20:14:21] | justinh: | or maybe the a bus has just clogged up |
| [20:14:28] | justinh: | s/the// |
| [20:15:03] | antgel: | i thought the drive was maybe making weird noises the other day. i might run some low-level tool, is it better to run the manufacturer's tool from a boot disk, or badblocks, or something else? |
| [20:15:59] | justinh: | better to stop using it, replace it ASAP & get everything off it you can NOW |
| [20:16:20] | wagnerrp: | then send in for warranty for good measure |
| [20:16:26] | justinh: | kinda conflicts with 'stop using it' but you get my drift |
| [20:16:41] | wagnerrp: | honestly, if a drive is beyond warranty, its not really worth having around any longer |
| [20:16:53] | justinh: | funny noises are a sure sign it's teetering |
| [20:16:59] | justinh: | no utility will ever help it |
| [20:17:10] | antgel: | it's a fricking month old! WTF IS MODERN HARDWARE SO ***&$(#!& #$(@ |
| [20:17:31] | justinh: | antgel: no accounting for its life before you got it |
| [20:17:34] | wagnerrp: | if its a month old, send it in for replacement and be done with it |
| [20:17:48] | wagnerrp: | if you look at hardware faults |
| [20:17:56] | justinh: | ever moved the machine slightly while it's powered on? |
| [20:17:56] | wagnerrp: | you see a peak at a couple weeks, and a peak at a couple years |
| [20:18:11] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yup. it's called the bath curve |
| [20:18:27] | justinh: | because it looks like a cross section of a bath :) |
| [20:18:30] | wagnerrp: | you just happened to be the unlucky one who got hit in the first couple weeks |
| [20:18:31] | antgel: | RMA in the hizouse |
| [20:18:52] | wagnerrp: | (four hours later and qt is finally finished building) |
| [20:19:06] | justinh: | wagnerrp: told you not to go with that epia frontend man |
| [20:19:07] | antgel: | luckily i have another identical drive here (probably from the same batch), that's waiting to go in the slave backend that FAILED because of the DODGY motherboard |
| [20:19:19] | antgel: | s/luckily/dodgily/ |
| [20:19:36] | justinh: | antgel: wherever you buy your bits from, I'd shop somewhere else ;-) |
| [20:19:42] | antgel: | ebuyer *shrug* |
| [20:19:43] | wagnerrp: | well its all of qt, plus all of the dependencies the package manager picked up |
| [20:19:52] | wagnerrp: | building on an aged 1.8 ath64 |
| [20:20:03] | justinh: | antgel: yeah they're crap |
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| [20:20:27] | antgel: | justinh: they are *great* for returning stuff |
| [20:20:33] | justinh: | bought a UPS from there a while back. junk. had to fight to get my laptop off citylink when they delivered it |
| [20:20:55] | justinh: | antgel: point is, you shouldn't fscking HAVE to return stuff |
| [20:21:15] | antgel: | i feel that buying a new samsung hard drive from any vendor is much of a muchness, i mean it's not like they're building it for me |
| [20:21:23] | antgel: | justinh: indeed. missed smiley |
| [20:21:32] | antgel: | i'm going to get this other disk and attempt an rsync |
| [20:22:01] | justinh: | antgel: you seen the way sh1ttylink kick boxes around? ;-) |
| [20:22:18] | kinneh: | justinh: well how do I do that (running on mysql, the mysql log says nothing about any problem)? |
| [20:22:19] | justinh: | infact any courier |
| [20:22:27] | justinh: | kinneh: it wouldn't |
| [20:22:35] | justinh: | run mysqlcheck |
| [20:23:39] | justinh: | remember getting stuck behind a proper nerd when I went to return a CF card once. Had to wait over an hour while the bastard argued the toss over 0.5FPS on a timed demo his new rig was missing compared to a website reckoning. Grrr |
| [20:23:56] | justinh: | what I woulda done for a 2x4 |
| [20:24:36] | wagnerrp: | justin should have choked a bitch |
| [20:25:13] | justinh: | it would've been funny had it been somebody else's time the t**t was wasting |
| [20:25:30] | kinneh: | justinh: only error is on Error : Table 'mythconverg.weatherdatalayout' doesn't exist |
| [20:25:41] | justinh: | weird |
| [20:26:19] | justinh: | kinneh: nothing you can do really, other than stop the backend & run mythtv-setup to make sure everything is still set right |
| [20:28:03] | kinneh: | well that's a problem since I got some problems with tthe x-toolkit on the mythtv-backkend so I cand see anything in mythtv-setup :-( |
| [20:28:36] | justinh: | wonder what it is about you guys who want headless backends. Oh wait I wouldn't mind either but I prefer an easy life |
| [20:28:57] | wagnerrp: | whats wrong with a headless backend? |
| [20:29:32] | justinh: | nothing apart from I never got x forwarding etc to work |
| [20:29:42] | wagnerrp: | ah, i just use VNC for everything |
| [20:30:19] | justinh: | yeah I would now |
| [20:30:29] | justinh: | save some watts too |
| [20:30:59] | justinh: | bit of a sod come reboot time though :-\ |
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| [20:31:13] | stevieman: | is anyone here using myth with OTA? |
| [20:31:15] | wagnerrp: | nah, just standby |
| [20:31:18] | justinh: | now there's a use for VFD/LCD |
| [20:31:22] | wagnerrp: | all of a couple seconds for a boot |
| [20:31:30] | wagnerrp: | and a couple watts extra when off |
| [20:31:35] | antgel: | stevieman: best to ask a proper question |
| [20:31:44] | justinh: | wagnerrp: not so much since I got a UPS.. never got around to sorting fsck arrangements |
| [20:31:56] | dustybin: | .22 doesnt have that little handy option to instantly delete a recording from the watch recordings menu, one has to add recording to playlist, etc.. |
| [20:32:10] | stevieman: | antgel: I'm just looking into it so I don't really know what all is involed |
| [20:32:11] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: eh? |
| [20:32:21] | justinh: | dustybin: BS |
| [20:32:39] | justinh: | retarded BS at that |
| [20:32:42] | wagnerrp: | you mean that 'i', 'pgdn', 'enter' combo for delete on the watch recording screen? |
| [20:32:45] | dustybin: | in .21, i could hover other a recording, press arrow right on my remote, and a option would appear for me to delete it |
| [20:32:56] | ** justinh smacks dustybin with a 2x4 ** | |
| [20:33:03] | justinh: | press INFO |
| [20:33:25] | dustybin: | if i press i on my remote, i get the 'Recording List Menu' |
| [20:33:31] | dustybin: | there is no option to delete anything |
| [20:33:36] | justinh: | yes there is |
| [20:33:44] | dustybin: | i only have |
| [20:33:46] | justinh: | move down the menu |
| [20:34:01] | justinh: | see how there's a down arrow which looks highlighted compared to the up arrow> |
| [20:34:02] | dustybin: | still not there |
| [20:34:04] | justinh: | ? |
| [20:34:09] | justinh: | it BLOODY IS |
| [20:34:23] | iamlindoro: | he's pressing the Menu binding, not the info binding... |
| [20:34:28] | iamlindoro: | because he's shittarded |
| [20:34:35] | iamlindoro: | and I'm bloody sick of it |
| [20:34:43] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: see the buttons i told you to press? |
| [20:34:48] | dustybin: | jeeze :( |
| [20:34:50] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: press the buttons i told you to press |
| [20:34:57] | dustybin: | i need to remap then |
| [20:35:20] | justinh: | and HOW ducking long has it taken you to find out this little gem? |
| [20:35:23] | justinh: | jesus man |
| [20:35:35] | justinh: | and you wonder why people are so aunting rude |
| [20:36:33] | justinh: | if I didn't know better you're just trolling because you've seen people moan about the folks moaning about this subject appearing on the mailing list |
| [20:36:41] | dustybin: | im not trolling |
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| [20:36:52] | dustybin: | i just VNC'd in and pressed 'i' |
| [20:36:56] | dustybin: | now i have the new menu |
| [20:37:02] | justinh: | amazing! |
| [20:37:06] | justinh: | I said INFO |
| [20:37:11] | dustybin: | aye |
| [20:37:15] | justinh: | which is bound to 'i' by default. aunting awesome |
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| [20:37:38] | dustybin: | i need to check my lirc setup for my remote |
| [20:38:00] | justinh: | I turned off those bloody annoying things in 0.21 |
| [20:38:21] | stevieman: | Is anyone using myth with OTA using a rotor? |
| [20:38:52] | justinh: | only the insane? talk about long channel change times :P |
| [20:39:44] | justinh: | stevieman: problem is, you'd likely need to use an external channel change command to tell the rotor to move – and you can't do that with digital tuners in mythtv |
| [20:40:02] | justinh: | so erm.. no |
| [20:40:41] | dustybin: | heres the problems: |
| [20:40:42] | dustybin: | button = Menu |
| [20:40:42] | dustybin: | config = m |
| [20:41:00] | justinh: | here's the problem: dustybin :) |
| [20:41:27] | stevieman: | justinh: curses, |
| [20:41:33] | justinh: | stevieman: a possible way around it would be to monitor the recording schedules with some kind of external script, which could then control the rotor |
| [20:41:52] | justinh: | assuming it can be computer controlled |
| [20:42:10] | justinh: | messy though |
| [20:42:12] | dustybin: | now i have no button left to map 'm' incase i need it |
| [20:42:42] | justinh: | dustybin: my OFA remote only has one menu button too. so I used '10' for INFO |
| [20:42:52] | justinh: | use your imagination. if you have one |
| [20:43:01] | dustybin: | ok |
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| [20:44:43] | stevieman: | justinh: that is not cool, Hopefully someone has worked this out already, I can't be the first one to want this ;) |
| [20:45:20] | justinh: | stevieman: it's open source.. probably easy enough to modify that part of the code |
| [20:45:44] | justinh: | you'd have to lose multirec capability to do it though |
| [20:46:09] | kinneh: | justinh: could you have alook at http://filebin.gazonk.se/thebin/DgRSBhCilIoYF . . . tv-setup.txt |
| [20:46:16] | Dibblah: | Uhm... If you're meaning a DVB-s dish rotor, it already supports it. |
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| [20:47:15] | kinneh: | If I reinstall mythtv is there any way of restoring the recordings? |
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| [20:48:07] | stevieman: | justinh: I don't use multirec now so I won't be loosing anything :) |
| [20:48:14] | gt: | hi, newbie here.... is this the right place to come if i need advice on building a mythtv front and backend htpc? |
| [20:49:39] | antgel: | gt: yes (/topic) |
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| [20:51:12] | gt: | I've got a skyHD box which is in the process of dying, and I'm about to take the plunge and replace it :-) I've just ordered a TBS6980 as I'm intending to use it primarily for BBC HD, but Russian TV might be coming in the near future via a dish pointing at hotbird. |
| [20:53:05] | gt: | If I can find one, am I going to be able to get away with a DFI LP JR GF9400-T2RS (with integrated nvidia gpu), or should I go for something more recent and something like a GTS250? |
| [20:54:19] | antgel: | i can give you a generic answer. it would be a good idea to make sure that your gpu supports VDPAU if you want to watch HD. more info on the myth wiki |
| [20:56:40] | gt: | I've seen that... there's a nice little page on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU and, from that, it's looking like the 9400M ain't up to it for HD if I wanted to experiment with the Advanced (2x) deinterlacing. |
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| [21:03:22] | gt: | thanks :-i guess my only other question for now is what sort of CPU I'll need...? Any minimum requirements, considering it'll be 1080i content I'll be watching, possibly 1080p? |
| [21:06:52] | gt: | from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HD_Playback_Reports I suspect an Intel Q8400 would be plenty? |
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| [21:22:07] | antgel: | gt: i can't add anything to what's there :). i can however report good results from VDPAU Slim profile (bob 2x IIRC) on my geforce 8300 on a 60" plasma |
| [21:22:30] | tzanger: | I gotta find a pciex16 riser soI can fit the damned video card in the LC19 :-) |
| [21:22:37] | antgel: | swapped the hard disk out, the entire system seems more responsive. hmm. shame justinh isn't here to rant ;) |
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| [21:23:05] | ChoHag: | How can I restore imdb.pl to mythvideo? |
| [21:23:19] | ChoHag: | It has this huge advantage over tmdb.pl of actually working, which can be helpful at times. |
| [21:23:50] | tzanger: | lawl |
| [21:25:58] | ChoHag: | I notice there's an imdbpy.py script included in the package. How can I get mtv to use that? |
| [21:26:11] | ChoHag: | Maybe, to keep the lawyers happy, only after tmdb fails. |
| [21:26:32] | ChoHag: | Although as I'm not American I really don't give a toss about the lawyers. |
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| [21:28:35] | iamlindoro: | You can't. There is no imdb script which will work properly within current MythVideo. You can attempt to explain what at TMDB isn't working for you, or alternately, fix whatever issue you've found |
| [21:28:44] | iamlindoro: | if it's a missing movie, you can add it and then everyone benefits |
| [21:29:03] | iamlindoro: | But thos are the only options for which you will get any help here |
| [21:29:04] | ChoHag: | Mostly the fact that its (tmdb's) database is pathetically small. |
| [21:29:23] | iamlindoro: | K, Then add what movies are missing, and if everyone does that, it'll rival IMDB |
| [21:29:50] | iamlindoro: | You got all the software for free, this is a great way that anyone can give back and support our (free, open API) data sources |
| [21:30:24] | ChoHag: | What about the old imdb.pl script? |
| [21:30:39] | ChoHag: | I have it somewhere. Can't it be jury-rigged into 0.22? |
| [21:30:54] | iamlindoro: | Nope |
| [21:31:03] | RDV_Linux: | Dead and no one is supporting it. RIP |
| [21:31:11] | iamlindoro: | It'll run, it just won't give you the info you need, nor any graphics |
| [21:31:30] | ChoHag: | It didn't give me graphics before. |
| [21:31:58] | iamlindoro: | ChoHag, The fact of the matter is IMDB asked us not to scrape, explicitly, and thus as a violation of terms of service, it's not open for discussion here |
| [21:32:04] | iamlindoro: | (in addition to just plain not working) |
| [21:32:53] | iamlindoro: | Again, we now have an open community site that offers better graphics and an open API, we should all be doing what we can to improve that data |
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| [21:38:32] | ChoHag: | But you're not. I am. |
| [21:39:17] | tank-man: | ... |
| [21:39:17] | ChoHag: | Though I'm glad that's the reason and not just some hippy 'freedom' nonsense. |
| [21:39:45] | ChoHag: | I was worried RMS had started coding. |
| [21:39:54] | ChoHag: | Anyway. Dinner. |
| [21:40:32] | laga_: | do we need a whambulance? |
| [21:41:13] | tank-man: | "plonk" |
| [21:41:48] | iamlindoro: | Oh well, fact of life. Old script doesn't work, channel rules prohibit discussion of making it do so, and the new source freely offers bandwidth and an open exchange for said data. Use it, don't use it, but that's the way the cookie crumbles |
| [21:42:36] | iamlindoro: | emphasis on "further discussion is in violation of channel rules, take it elsewhere" |
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| [21:49:04] | yunosh: | RDV_Linux: is there any reason why -MW should not be run interactive? it works perfectly fine and fixed my problems. I still wonder why you didn't have to run it interactively though |
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| [22:00:08] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: The way people mainly use the -MW option is through a cronjob so it was never developed to support an interactive session. |
| [22:00:30] | yunosh: | but it does, congrats :) |
| [22:00:53] | RDV_Linux: | yunosh: then that is a fluke ;) |
| [22:01:37] | yunosh: | well, i don't mind. i wouldn't get most of my fanart otherwise |
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| [22:03:30] | jst_home: | anyone here know where in the db the commercial skipping info ends up when mythcommflag? |
| [22:03:33] | jst_home: | runs |
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| [22:07:19] | tank-man: | jst_home, you can access that info indirectly with mythcommflag |
| [22:07:50] | jst_home: | tank-man: good to know, but I'm curious where in the db it lives... |
| [22:08:48] | tank-man: | I dont know and most people shouldnt have to know |
| [22:09:20] | jst_home: | yeah, I'd totally agree that most people wouldn't have to know :) |
| [22:10:23] | tank-man: | naw, i mean shouldnt have to know. like in object oriented programming, don't let the user have direct acces to the info, just a method to access/set it |
| [22:10:52] | jst_home: | well, sure |
| [22:10:59] | mchou: | that's a pile of crap |
| [22:11:29] | mchou: | pedal to the metal all the way |
| [22:12:24] | tank-man: | I figure it would be easier for someone to make probelsm if they directly access it |
| [22:12:36] | mchou: | jst_home: recordedseek & recordedmarkup |
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| [22:13:10] | mchou: | tank-man: so? it's the user's responsibility to back up before messing |
| [22:13:37] | jst_home: | mchou: ah, missed recordedmarkup. Thanks! |
| [22:14:20] | mchou: | tank-man: you clearly haven't encountered "issues" where myth screws up tables badly |
| [22:14:42] | mchou: | tank-man: and where direct user intervention is REQUIRED |
| [22:15:04] | mchou: | tank-man: channel scanning comes to mind, as one example |
| [22:15:48] | mchou: | tank-man: let's just say you'd be sol without a paddle if all data was encapsulated |
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| [22:58:39] | JREwing: | Hello people. Iam coming just to ask for your experience. I have just setted up a solition with MythTV (and few others utilites) to allow MythTV broadcast and record whole DVB transponder using one card per transponder. Iam not limited by "5" recorders per card with all other disadvantages. And I want to write shord article describing setup. I want to ask where is the best place to place the article. Into mythtv talk forum? MythTV wiki (I dont know this, |
| [22:59:13] | [R]: | the wiki |
| [23:00:48] | JREwing: | :) yes, there will be easily awailable, but there is no place for feedback :-) both have + and – ... thanks |
| [23:01:04] | Josh_: | I hope his grammer in the article is better than his grammer in IRC. |
| [23:01:31] | iamlindoro: | his grammar, too |
| [23:02:01] | JREwing: | :-P Iam not native english speaker.. I will try to check :-( |
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| [23:02:54] | Josh_: | JREwing, Oh, I apologize then. |
| [23:03:36] | [R]: | JREwing: there is a "discussion" page for every article on the wiki |
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| [23:05:10] | JREwing: | really? I haven't found out. Its + for wiki :-). After I collect some critics for my solution from our language forum, I will write it to wiki. |
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| [23:08:15] | Dibblah: | JREwing: Aren't you dead? |
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| [23:08:42] | JREwing: | blah.. why shoud I might be? |
| [23:10:24] | Dibblah: | Not a Dynasty fan, then. |
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| [23:10:47] | JREwing: | Ah.. Now I understand :-D Dallas, the soap opera |
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| [23:11:06] | Dibblah: | Oh, it was Dallas. |
| [23:11:07] | Dibblah: | Sorry. |
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| [23:11:35] | JREwing: | No, trully I hate this kind of shows |
| [23:12:00] | lozarythmic: | Dibblah : Aren't you dead? |
| [23:12:11] | lozarythmic: | Oh, it was Dibnah. Sorry! :) |
| [23:12:16] | Dibblah: | I don't believe so... |
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| [23:12:31] | Dibblah: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._Ewing |
| [23:12:38] | Dibblah: | Hence the confusion. |
| [23:12:56] | lozarythmic: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Dibnah |
| [23:13:04] | lozarythmic: | Hence the poor joke. |
| [23:13:33] | Dibblah: | I am aware of the master of big bangs. |
| [23:13:37] | JREwing: | I know the character :-D My grandmother have been watching it :-D but my nickname comes from my real name, and there is no other connections |
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| [23:16:04] | [R]: | how do most people run mythtv-setup on a headless backend? |
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| [23:16:12] | JREwing: | thanks for response :-) I wish my solution will help others |
| [23:16:39] | JREwing: | [R]: simply over network |
| [23:16:59] | honk: | using X forwarding obviously |
| [23:16:59] | [R]: | "over network" doesnt' tell me anything |
| [23:17:00] | [R]: | ah... x forwarding... thats a good idea |
| [23:17:06] | honk: | windows user.. ;P |
| [23:17:14] | [R]: | honk: ? |
| [23:17:19] | honk: | never mind ;) |
| [23:17:21] | JREwing: | [R]: use Linux computer with instaled Xserver. connect to server by "ssh root@server -X |
| [23:17:33] | [R]: | who ssh's as root? |
| [23:18:07] | JREwing: | than you can run mythtv-setup and the graphics open on you local computer |
| [23:18:21] | [R]: | you dont need root for that... |
| [23:18:57] | JREwing: | I know, I am usualy conection as root to my servers |
| [23:19:07] | JREwing: | so I type it like that |
| [23:19:15] | JREwing: | connecting |
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| [23:21:33] | JREwing: | bye |
| [23:21:34] | syamajala: | newegg seems to be having a sale on the hauppauge 2250 |
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| [23:21:43] | syamajala: | i'm thinking about picking one up |
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| [23:58:21] | syamajala: | i'm a little confused how this would all work if i were to get one of those cards though |
| [23:58:45] | [R]: | syamajala: how what would work |
| [23:59:35] | Josh_: | syamajala, the current driver only supports Digital capture from this card. |
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