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defaultro:

did you guys see the bluray patch for mplayer? That would be cool if it can be used in mythtv as well

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manpoole_:

hi can anyone help me out with lirc and getting the mceusb to transmit?

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manpoole_:

it is a version 1 remote

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manpoole_:

i"rsend: hardware does not support sending" that is the error i recive

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sphery:

manpoole_: this is still the right channel, but I don't anything about that remote (and know basicaly nothing about LIRC). sorry

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manpoole_:

ah

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mag0o:

any idea why mytharchive is erroring out? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1684622

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wagnerrp:

well i figured out why my parents computer was crashing

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wagnerrp:

i had an old APC UPS whose battery was insufficient to run two servers, a firewall, a couple switches, access point, HDHR, POTS ATA for sufficient time to shut down

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wagnerrp:

so i pulled it, and stuck it on their desktop

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wagnerrp:

apparently now it has insufficient power to run a ~100W desktop, and the system hard resets when the UPS cycles the battery

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clever:

wagnerrp: my new UPS is a massive beast

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clever:

its meant to be rack mounted

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clever:

ive got 2 desktops and a monitor on it, and the front panel says ~20% load

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clever:

so i could get maybe 7–10 computers on the damn thing

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wagnerrp:

well this is no slouch, 850VA (510W)

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wagnerrp:

it should be able to handle one lousy desktop and LCD monitor

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groogs:

I have a problem with aspect ratios, looking for some guidance. it *was* working okay, and then I had a monitor connected, had to mess with amdcccle (using fglrx driver) to get my hdmi-connected TV working as primary again, and since then, menus are fine, but video all plays squished horizontally. as in, all content is about 3/4 the width it normally would be (height is fine):16:9 content...

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groogs:

...is about the same screen area/shape as 4:3 would be normally, 4:3 is probably 1/3 the width of the TV

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groogs:

and like an idiot, i forgot to make a backup of xorg.conf when it was actually working. really, i have no clue what is different, i didn't change anything in myth, and like i said, menus are totally fine and fill the full screen. any idea on a fix?

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jasa:

groogs, you could try to see if you set those ratios manually on that "W" hotkey.

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jasa:

groogs, also there were some settings on the frontend that could help like on my case of nvidia that allowed the choosing of vdpau acceleration, i think it was some screen that first show some "CPU+" and if you check the other options you get other choices for that."

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groogs:

jasa: doesn't help. with 'off', it is 1/3 the screen width, full height (testing 4:3 content). with full, it fills the screen, but actually looks all stretched and distorted, and goes bigger than the screen size

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groogs:

i'm using ati (hd 3200) but I'll take a look there again

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jasa:

groogs, i had same issue when i tries to set some ratios with "W", but i think you might have somewhere on the thing that of that is that even correctly in begin with 16:9 or 4:3 ... -.-

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jasa:

Like i have this monitor that isn't 16:9 but then again there is projector that is, so it also depens on that of where im watching it at.

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groogs:

there's an aspect ratio override, but it doesn't help, off/16:9/4:3, all basically same. i think 4:3 makes it even smaller

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groogs:

jasa: those settings should be per-frontend,.. do you have both hooked up to the same frontend?

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jasa:

groogs, i would claim they are all for just frontend, settings seemingly goes into that of database.

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jasa:

groogs, Yes there are some cases that some things around are shown bit wrongly too, or could show better, like there are somethings around that aren't completely in the full-screen mode, i think it could have something to do with codecs but im not too sure of that either.

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jasa:

groogs, but if i set that some things around to smaller size on screen than it would supposed to be it is the correct one from my view.

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jasa:

groogs, as others then are displayed correctly.

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groogs:

well, i know it works, it was working until last night. :)

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groogs:

4:3 content is not shown full-screen, but it has black bars. that's fine.. (just right now, the black bars are 2/3 the screen, which isn't right)

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jasa:

groogs, = ) actually i have seen same issue on those of Windows side players too with the codec choosing for mpeg2.

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groogs:

i have a mix of frontends, one lcd tv that is true 16:9, a 4:3 CRT tv, and a 14:9 (i think? its just a bit off from 16:9, IIRC) widescreen LCD monitor

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groogs:

the other two are fine, it's just my LCD TV thats messed up suddenly

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jasa:

groogs, are you tinkering with from the display settings of that what is master to use mythtv show there or using that of mythtv frontent to choose that what is the display it goes into ?

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groogs:

jasa: erm.. not sure i quite understand. my LCD TV/frontend in question happens to also be the master mythtv backend..

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groogs:

the other frontends have their own settings/etc

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jasa:

groogs, so you have multiple of those then one for every display or ? Not too familiar setting those around.

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groogs:

yeah, i have two other physical PC's running the other frontends

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wagnerrp:

sphery: you around? im looking for that mythxml link you gave me a while back

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, ive found the chunk of code that lists the available pages

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Cardoe_:

so anyone know if its possible to error back to the main screen from the VideoOuput::Init() call?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: remember to check out the MythXMLTest "application", too

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sphery:

nice way to test out the different things you can do with MythXML

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wagnerrp:

well ive got a basic class that returns a DOM structure

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wagnerrp:

just looking to fill it out with a couple functions to actually use it

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Cardoe_:

sphery: any idea if it'd be possible to somehow make VideoOutput::Init() failures return to the previous screen

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Cardoe_:

I'm failing to see the glue

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sphery:

I am probably about the worst person to ask about that.

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sphery:

I really don't know anything about the video side of Myth

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sphery:

sorry... :(

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justinh:

grr why must Adobe Air be such a stubbornly crap piece of crap?!

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wagnerrp:

its based on flash?

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justinh:

that isn't a valid reason but I'll settle for 'because it's by Adobe'

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sphery:

could always use SilverLight

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justinh:

not for tweetdeck

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sphery:

JavaFX ? ;)

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justinh:

sigh

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sphery:

just had to mention the competitor that no one has ever heard of

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justinh:

I dunno wtf the point in all these frameworks vying for usage is. It's not like they make any money out of them, surely

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mzb:

fwiw, and mostly for J-e-f-f-A : http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . re_frame.jpg

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mzb:

<insert picture here> ;)

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mzb:

hmm .. no dots in that pic

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clever:

mzb: nice

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mzb:

thanks clever

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clever:

ive got a laptop that would go nicely in a pic frame

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clever:

if i can solve the image going nuts

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mzb:

clever, slightly ot except it's related to "notifications" (OSD|LCD), but I guess you'd appreciate it: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/RainTipper/

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mzb:

I can measure up to 55mm/hr (bigger than "Extreme Rain" as defined by wikipedia) at a resolution of about 0.09mm

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clever:

nice

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mzb:

total cost = $3 for the funnel (tried >6 times to make my own but failed ;))

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mzb:

oh ... and 4x $1.50 for the screw terminal strips ;)

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mzb:

everything else was scrp

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mzb:

everything else was scrap

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mzb:

had to write a kernel module for the parallel IO board which was an interesting exercise

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mzb:

time to get on with complete rewire of mantel gadgets (LCD, LCD, USB, IR, wii, etc)

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mzb:

(had to cut the power plug off my Sony receiver! *sob* ;))

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clever:

mzb: PM

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mzb:

ah, blind

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justinh:

gah. linux on the desktop. just not happening here. PoS

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pac0:

hi all, good morning

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pac0:

a little question, if i have two tuners, i have to set 2 captures cards, and 2 inputs? or connect the two cards to the same input?

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pac0:

i use a split on cable for connect the two cards

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jya:

hi guys ; where is the screen to configure when mythfilldatabase is going to run ? I can't find it in 0.22

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rooaus1:

didn't it get moved to the mythtv-setup... although I haven't looked for it for ages.

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jya:

that could be ; I can't find it in the frontend

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jya:

suddenly mythfilldatabase isn't being run ; found out the hard way when none of my recordings occured

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jarle:

does mythtv-setup still need to be run with taskset, or has this been fixed in 0.22?

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MaxeyPad:

is anyone here using hardware decoding for x264 using the nividia graphics cards

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justinh:

x264 is a codec not a format

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justinh:

encoder I mean

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justinh:

x264 is an encoder, not a format

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justinh:

so, guess who's been downloading illegally shared videos. heh

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ddettman:

people in New Zealand and Norway, and possibly others now, use H.264

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ddettman:

it's our DVB-T format.

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justinh:

h.264 != x264

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justinh:

files with x264 in their filename are generally erm.. naughty

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ddettman:

ahh, you were suspecting him of piracy, I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. ;)

[11:32:57]

justinh:

give nobody the benefit of the doubt

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justinh:

the MPAA don't

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MaxeyPad:

my family home videos are encoded in x264 format :)

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justinh:

yeah right

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MaxeyPad:

basically i'm trying to build a cheap box that I can play video on.

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justinh:

VDPAU *should* work

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justinh:

if the files have been properly encoded there should be no problems

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jarle:

channel scanner says "found 36 new DVB channels that are in conflict", what does this mean?

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justinh:

it means they need to resolve their differences

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MaxeyPad:

justinh: vdpau can leverage the nvidia gpu? Does it work well for even say 1080p content?

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[Peter]:

MaxeyPad: it does

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justinh:

VDPAU *does* use the GPU of nvidia hardware. > GF8200 etc. See the wiki

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justinh:

infact it doesn't work with any other hardware. Nvidia only!

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jarle:

justinh: seems like the channel scanner has been quite a bit improved in 0.22 (except that it still crashes if run without taskset), guess I should delete all my old channels and do a complete re-scan one of these days....

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justinh:

and the resolution is a factor, certainly but not the only factor

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justinh:

jarle: FWIW I don't know wth the messages mean either. 'conflicting channels'.. WTH?

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justinh:

I *think* it means it found new channels which are already present in the database

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jarle:

justinh: as far as I could tell it means it found channels with channel *numbers* that was already taken (so I had to supply new chan nums..)

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justinh:

sigh. it's all as clear as mud

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mzb:

latest update (mostly for J-e-f-f-A): http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . loungetv.jpg

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mzb:

yes, need to clean up... and yes, need a bigger screen ( to match the wall, at least;))

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mzb:

prob needs orig. res

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frk9999:

hi there! my problem: mythtv backend (windows build): is there only ONE tv-card implemented or is it my dumbness? :)

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mzb:

frk9999, before you get abuse, I think you'll find that the general attitude in this # is "windows is not my|our problem" ... ymmv

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justinh:

windows backend? ROFLMAO

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mzb:

(I don't speak for others;)

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justinh:

FWIW it wouldn't support any tuner CARD

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justinh:

only network tuners

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frk9999:

why did i just expect this :)

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justinh:

IF you can even get it to work at all

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mzb:

frk9999, I tried to warn you ;)

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frk9999:

ah ok, that's what i'd like to knew...at least it's not my dumbness :)

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justinh:

frk9999: because mythtv was originally designed for linux and the windows port is still new & in need of loads of attention.. ? MAYBE

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frk9999:

calm down, i know that it's origins are not windows, but linux is not the answer to ALL problems ,-)

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justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

just stating the facts

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mzb:

(the most vocal ppl in this # live on the edge of sanity;))

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** mzb included ;) **

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justinh:

you have to be nuts to use IRC end of story :)

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frk9999:

that's the way irc been from the very first day B-]

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mzb:

hehe

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justinh:

anyway, YMMV yada yada yada. It's not exactly supported or encouraged, so good luck & all that

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justinh:

you'd prolly have more luck running myth in a VM of some sort. Not that I'd go there either

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frk9999:

thought about it before, but that's just plain stupid i think...so i have to stick with mediaportal as it seems :(

[12:11:40]

justinh:

if mythtv ever works as well on windows I might dump linux altogether. I'm no fan

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mzb:

err ... yes, ok for playback, but don't expect good editing

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mzb:

btw, better image for the fanatics http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . etv_full.jpg

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justinh:

but then booting windows disklessly is tricky

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justinh:

and making windows slim & efficient is erm.. hmm.. heh

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mzb:

pita

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frk9999:

have no probs at all with win, except it's price :)

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justinh:

I just hate computers really. What I really want is a box that can do what mythtv does as well as mythtv does

[12:13:28]

justinh:

s/computers/PCs

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frk9999:

that'll be nice, but i woudln't want to miss things like ZoomPlayer ontop of xbmc...just tv is missing bigtime there :(

[12:14:22]

mzb:

I am a fan, and I avoid windows at any opportunity (I only have it because I have a couple of machines with stickers on them ... but I almost never use it) ... M$ free for 5 years!

[12:15:02]

mzb:

free*ish ;) ... ie: reboot to see if it works and then reboot back to Linux ;)

[12:15:17]

frk9999:

got that attitude until xp came out...from then on windows been ok. and at least i'd rather suck bills d*ck than get an apple for free B-]

[12:16:28]

mzb:

I've used/developed/educated for all of them... still prefer Linux (99% of the time)

[12:17:21]

mzb:

mythtv is a wonder of modern science ;))

[12:17:32]

frk9999:

only advantage i see for linux is it's price. hardware- and softwarewise :-Q

[12:17:50]

frk9999:

it is, that's why i'm hungry for a working win port :)

[12:18:13]

mzb:

then you've only glanced at it

[12:18:53]

mzb:

a longer look will show it's power and convenience

[12:18:59]

frk9999:

u may be right, but win sucks enough time out of me...for linux i would have to offer even more B]

[12:19:12]

xand:

the only reason I can see for a windows port is to run mythtv and games on the same machine without dual booting

[12:19:47]

frk9999:

i couldn't code .net for linux .-)

[12:20:07]

mzb:

I don't have to spend all my time looking for hotfixes and re-writing vba mistakes

[12:20:44]

frk9999:

games beside, i'd like xbmc+zoomplayer+corecodec+ffdshow running flawlessly ...at least zp offers no linux port so...

[12:21:09]

frk9999:

never installed any hotfix since sp2 :)

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mzb:

I have a _complete_ network run by *nix ... openwrt, Debian, Ubuntu, netbsd ... etc. I run my environment with heyu (X10), asterisk, znc, baraza, mythtv, .... and so on.

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mzb:

I want for nothing M$ related

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frk9999:

what about logitech harmonoys? do they work?

[12:24:28]

mzb:

I use and contribute ... as much as I am capable, and in the true sense of contribution

[12:24:55]

mzb:

finding out if harmony's work is as simple as google

[12:25:30]

frk9999:

u avoid M$ but give buxx to G$ :-)

[12:25:44]

mzb:

but, tbh ... it's probably better to find a remote you like and write an lircrc to suit ;)

[12:25:58]

mzb:

G$?

[12:26:05]

frk9999:

that's linux..."and write" :)

[12:26:06]

frk9999:

google

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mzb:

s/google/search engine of your choice/

[12:26:39]

frk9999:

that's the spirit!

[12:27:49]

mzb:

eg: I usually equate an example tv show as "Doctor Who" ... because most know it ... but s/Doctor Who/your fav prog/

[12:28:04]

frk9999:

of course, the last time i REALLY tested linux was....well...15 years ago or such. things like ubuntu & co are maybe a lot more user-friendly than they have been

[12:28:34]

frk9999:

err...i dont know doc who ,-)

[12:28:39]

mzb:

certainly .. and there are a lot of choices these days

[12:29:21]

frk9999:

but in the end, everything i want (except mythtv *g*) works flawlessly on win, what should i do with linux? i wouldnt want to miss photoshop e.g.

[12:29:36]

mzb:

http://thetvdb.com/index.php?tab=series&id=76107&lid=7

[12:29:48]

mzb:

hehe

[12:30:04]

frk9999:

thx, but i'm not watching tv at all :)

[12:30:11]

mzb:

you might be surprised by "The GIMP"

[12:30:43]

mzb:

the link was to explain "Doctor Who"

[12:30:58]

justinh:

frk9999: I have a harmony 515. Put it this way, if you want a *device* based universal remote, AVOID it

[12:31:02]

mzb:

what do you want mythtv for if you don't watch TV ?

[12:31:26]

frk9999:

tested the gimp, but that'll be the same if i'd say "hey, i know u like cars, but check out this supercool mountainbike with motor attached" :)

[12:31:49]

frk9999:

good question, my wife wants to watch tv, i hate it like rats biting my balls

[12:32:07]

justinh:

depends how you watch, though

[12:32:09]

mzb:

get a nice remote you (and your partner!) like and write and lircrc for it (assuming you're running Linux!!!;))

[12:32:59]

frk9999:

with eventghost i have no problems at all, it does even more i could ever use.

[12:33:15]

justinh:

virtually everything a lot of people in this channel watches is not 'live'. We have better things to do with our time than sit around waiting for something good to come on. Like IRC#

[12:33:26]

mzb:

frk9999, looks innocent enough, right? (if not a little small) : http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . etv_full.jpg

[12:35:04]

frk9999:

cute, but xbmc looks wayyyyyy crispier, but in the end it's a matter of taste i guess

[12:35:09]

mzb:

and "ppl" can actually watch ("Live") TV on it ... contrary to justinh's wishes

[12:35:33]

mzb:

I don't need "crisp" ... I need something that works

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frk9999:

er...what is that thing between the boxes?!

[12:36:03]

frk9999:

besides tv it works...under linux it works with mythtv, so...

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justinh:

frk9999: I see XBMC with all its blingy animations & gently weep that mythtv can't do it – but at the same time I wonder whether I'd not get bored of the animation & whether it'd just get in the way

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frk9999:

depends on the theme mostly. there're blingy ones and clean,fast,clutterless ones

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justinh:

frk9999: and the same is true of mythtv themes now too. if you don't use the crappy old ones

[12:38:14]

frk9999:

dunno, didn't have the time to test them all, coz i can't use them anyway :-)

[12:39:07]

justinh:

I'

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justinh:

duh I've yet to get xbmc to do much on a PC. just won't work & I haven't got the motivation to find out why

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mzb:

frk9999, by working I mean: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/mythtv/ . . . 4/stats.html

[12:40:27]

frk9999:

oh? works without any problem out-of-the-box on all my machines yet? maybe you got a broken version

[12:40:37]

justinh:

as for mediaportal, people say mythtv is hard to install but MAN..

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justinh:

frk9999: tried a good few different versions now

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frk9999:

holy ....u record like crazy :)

[12:41:59]

mzb:

BECAUSE I CAN!

[12:42:02]

frk9999:

mp sucks, but at least the tv-server+frontend are ok. My wife doesnt't give a shi* anyway :)

[12:42:04]

frk9999:

lol

[12:42:04]

justinh:

most of the time it'll run (sometimes it won't even start ffs) but I've yet to see it play anything. Even mpeg2

[12:42:33]

frk9999:

i didn't even know what crap i should record :-)

[12:43:05]

frk9999:

i'm using zoomplayer instead the internal player. it simply rocks.

[12:43:10]

justinh:

HDD space is so cheap it's easy to find out

[12:43:20]

mzb:

I record stuff I don't even watch ... just in case I might want to ... if the system's capable of it ... who cares?

[12:43:52]

justinh:

frk9999: why though?

[12:44:09]

justinh:

what does zoomplayer do that their internal player doesn't?

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frk9999:

sure, but i dig out 1tb each month with hd-films, i can't even watch them all, that's enough :))

[12:44:17]

mzb:

I have 3.75TB on 2x raid5 arrays .... I've worked hard for my mythtv system and I'll BL00DY DEFEND IT !!!

[12:44:43]

** mzb apologises to the easily influenced ! **

[12:44:47]

justinh:

ahh a file squirrel filesharer. Naughty

[12:45:24]

frk9999:

it allows for coreavc+ffdshow, that means a) sound normalisation and b) better performance and c) millions of micromanagement :)

[12:45:41]

mzb:

yes ... justinh warned me years ago about being a file squirrel, but it couldn't be avoided, I'm afraid

[12:45:57]

frk9999:

not only sharing, i rip them myself coz i hate these stupid discs and changing them and such

[12:46:04]

justinh:

mzb: there's a big difference between being one who records & one who steals ;-)

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frk9999:

i dont really steal a lot, i PREVIEW.

[12:46:39]

mzb:

oh ... I don't steal

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frk9999:

besides, most crap today isn't even worth stealing B-]

[12:47:44]

mzb:

I used to do bad stuff in the previous millenium ... but this is one of the reasons I moved away from M$ .. long story

[12:48:19]

mzb:

(along with reading 6 months of my own conversations in print ... VERY long story)

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mzb:

when DVB-T is available for free (here) ... why bother stealing? ... we don't rent DVD's and we only go to the movies for a special treat

[12:50:02]

mzb:

we've saved a FORTUNE .... AND we don't watch advertisments ... EVER!!!

[12:50:46]

mzb:

ps: we don't have|need paytv either ... although we *could* handle (ie: record) that too!

[12:51:06]

mzb:

so why would I return to the dark side?

[12:52:03]

frk9999:

dunno where u live, but ripping tv-streams is as illegal as downloading a movie here :)

[12:52:46]

mzb:

I'm not ripping ... I'm recording free-to-air programmes for my own use

[12:53:29]

mzb:

and that is my right by law

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frk9999:

so it would be if you d/l whatever whoever ripped from a bluray?

[12:54:11]

mzb:

english?

[12:55:26]

** mzb notes that we've diverted a long way from the mythtvONwindows vs mythtvONlinux conversation a long time ago **

[12:55:57]

mzb:

\mzb also notes that ...

[12:56:19]

mzb:

*sigh*

[12:57:02]

** mzb gets some fresh air **

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justinh:

I'd have thought that with VDPAU support being everywhere now there'd be no need of silly things like coreavc & ffdshow

[12:58:23]

justinh:

ahh.. maybe the windows xbmc can't leverage hardware decoding yet

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mzb:

heh

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** mzb withdraws into his hutch **

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frk9999:

re...one note: talking with linux-users is quite like talking with apple-gurus. At least the linux ones at least sometimes know what they're talking about B-)

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mzb:

frk9999, I hardly ever know ... or remember ... so you're safe here! :)

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** mzb goes off to demolish the dregs of a cask of red wine and a packet of mini Cheesels while he watches "something of interest" (yet to be determined) on mythtv **

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mzb:

(being >midnight and all;))

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justinh:

WTF planet are some people on? MythCloud. PER-LEASE

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sid3windr:

THE CAKE IS A MYTH

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Captain_Murdoch:

justinh, look on the bright side, at least he's got his own mailing list for it instead of spamming ours.

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mzb:

make that cheezels

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mzb:

(as opposed to spam;)

[14:10:35]

DeriConS:

Hi,

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DeriConS:

is here anybody who have setted up lirc with IR receiver through serial port on the Ubuntu karmic ?

[14:10:35]

DeriConS:

The guide on the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Serial_Lirc_Install doesn't work for me.

[14:10:35]

DeriConS:

Configs files have other format, there isn't any file with name /etc/lirc/lirc-modules-source.conf

[14:10:35]

DeriConS:

Variables in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf have different names

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DeriConS:

If is anybody here pls send me lirc config files on the snop3@seznam.cz

[14:10:38]

DeriConS:

Thank you

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Josh__:

I'm trying to download metadata, etc for my shows in MythVideo. Even though I have storage groups configured, it's still looking in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/MythVideo/Fanart/ ?

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justinh:

don't think that's the default. could be wrong of course

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justinh:

killall firefox

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justinh:

oops

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mag0o:

that's firefox-bin ;)

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justinh:

firefox (doesn't) work just the same

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Josh__:

The same goes for Fanart/Screenshots/Banners/Artwork

[14:28:19]

Josh__:

justinh: What should the local screenshots/banners/artwork/fanart settings be to use the Storage groups setting?

[14:28:35]

justinh:

Josh__: since it's a backend setting those prolly need a restart to take effect

[14:28:43]

justinh:

a backend restart I mean

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justinh:

Josh__: local != SGs

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justinh:

Josh__: you never need configure anything on a frontend for SGs to just work

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Josh__:

justinh: I have never configured these directories.

[14:29:49]

Josh__:

this is what came out of a svn branches/release-0-22-fixes [22834]

[14:29:52]

justinh:

so they ARE the defaults then

[14:30:16]

justinh:

pretty sure this is all covered in the wiki docs

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Josh__:

justinh: I havent found it yet..

[14:30:37]

Josh__:

let me check the transition guide.

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superm1:

Cardoe_, yeah this is a mythbuntu box

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superm1:

Cardoe_, at this point i've still got a few more things to try (triplebuffering in xorg.conf and vdpaubuffers=6)

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Josh__:

I found a blurb regarding SG configuration, all it mentions is to set up SG's in mythtv-setup, and then on the local FE's "If you would like to use a combination of Storage Group and locally hosted video" change a setting on the frontend that is a different location than the BE SG.

[14:37:48]

justinh:

yeah

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justinh:

why do you want to mix content?

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justinh:

it's very simple anyway

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justinh:

configure SGs on the backend K?

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justinh:

then on each frontend you want to have local content just define the local paths in mythvideo's setup options like in the olden days

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wagnerrp:

Josh__: images for local content gets store in the local directories... images for the SG content gets stored in the SG directories

[14:39:21]

wagnerrp:

and like justinh said, you *can* but you really shouldnt be mixing content

[14:39:47]

wagnerrp:

if you have ISOs that need local access, just keep everything local because youre running NFS anyway

[14:39:51]

justinh:

entirely different files & paths. no subdirs of existing SGs, for example

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Josh__:

wagnerrp: I dont want anything stored locally. Is it safe to just blank out those settings on the FE's?

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Josh__:

On the frontends, go to Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->General. Change "Directories that hold videos"

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Cardoe_:

I haven't messed with it much at all

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Cardoe_:

but SGs make MythVideo default to the top level /

[14:58:28]

Cardoe_:

and I need to click my way in from there

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wagnerrp:

Josh__: if you dont store anything locally, you dont need any paths set

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Josh__:

Okay, I'll just blank all those fields out, and see how it goes.

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mishehu:

grrr I wonder when the drivers for the hauppage hvr 2250 will be more complete.... they always seem to crap out on me after about 2–3 days, and then syslog/klog flood my partition with a crapload of errors about the device...

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devinheitmueller:

mishehu: are you running the latest code?

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devinheitmueller:

mishehu: pardon, I mean are you running the current v4l-dvb trunk?

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** devinheitmueller 's ears perk up when people raise issues with tuner products his company did the support for.... **

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mishehu:

devinheitmueller: I did an mercurial checkout about a week after 9.10 was released. I tried the development branch because this was the problem I was having with the stable branch before on 9.04.

[15:09:24]

mishehu:

it's garbage like: saa7164_cmd_send() No free sequences; saa7164_api_i2c_read() error, ret(1) = 0xc

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devinheitmueller:

Pretty much everybody using the current dev tree are reporting it to be quite stable, with the exception of a reception quality problem on tuner #2 (which is being investigated). You should update to the latest code at http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb, and if you are still having problems, report it to Steven Toth.

[15:09:35]

mishehu:

that floods my logs.

[15:10:11]

mishehu:

I'm installing some updates right now for mythbuntu (sorry, forgot to say that 9.04 and 9.10 was mythbuntu verisons)

[15:10:36]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, the hvr-2250 driver won't be in the latest Ubuntu. You need to install the v4l-dvb tree manually.

[15:10:37]

mishehu:

and then see if I can figure out how to use hg to update the branch and then rebuild the modules.

[15:10:45]

devinheitmueller:

See http://linuxtv.org/repo for instructions.

[15:11:06]

devinheitmueller:

Somebody did report that problem around October 30th, and I think Steven might have already addressed it.

[15:11:18]

mishehu:

I followed the instructions from whatever is linked on the mythtv wiki (same site as you posted, I believe)

[15:11:58]

devinheitmueller:

I usually don't trust the MythTV Wiki when it comes to tuner cards. Better to use the LinuxTV wiki.

[15:12:07]

** devinheitmueller looks at the MythTV wiki 2250 article. **

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** Josh__ wishes he could find a linuxtv driver for his AverMedia USB tuner. **

[15:13:18]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, the MythTV Wiki isn't too far off in this particular case.

[15:13:42]

devinheitmueller:

mishehu: but I would still try out the current code and see if it improves for you. If not, email Steven.

[15:14:42]

devinheitmueller:

Josh__: Yeah, Avermedia is not very helpful to the community. They have a closed-source binary driver you can probably try out.

[15:15:02]

devinheitmueller:

Josh__: You can find it on their support site.

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Josh__:

devinheitmueller: oh, awesome, I'll check it out. I'm not sure if this card is even on avermedia's site, it's an Avermedia box rebranded Toshiba.

[15:16:14]

devinheitmueller:

Josh__: Yeah, but the rebranded devices still keep the Avermedia USB IDs, so the drivers will still work.

[15:16:28]

justinh:

I'm getting too damn old to be modifying boards with 0402 SMT devices

[15:16:40]

devinheitmueller:

Good luck getting it to work with MythTV though. From what I hear, the Avermedia closed source drivers work in the simple cases, but not the more complex apps like MythTV.

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devinheitmueller:

Avermedia is a bit of a frustrating situation, because the products that are supported in open source are only supported because they leveraged work done by the Hauppauge engineers (a competitor), but then they decided to roll a closed source driver (a GPL violation, by the way) and chose to give nothing back to the community.

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devinheitmueller:

... hence why I do not recommend their products...

[15:18:43]

justinh:

got one of their tuners IIRC

[15:18:51]

justinh:

works fine with OSS drivers

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** devinheitmueller will stop ranting now since he has gone off-topic for the mythtv-users group. **

[15:19:29]

justinh:

nah a good rant is good for the soul

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devinheitmueller:

Most of the cases where they work in open source is because it's a reference design and only needed a board profile to be added (leveraging the existing drivers written by others).

[15:20:48]

justinh:

you could accuse leadtek of doing exactly the same

[15:20:59]

justinh:

why spend money reinventing the wheel?

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devinheitmueller:

Leadtek does do the same thing.

[15:21:53]

justinh:

I think only Hauppauge actively take part in OSS driver development

[15:21:54]

devinheitmueller:

It's not about reinventing the wheel – it's about leveraging other people's work and contributing *nothing* back.

[15:22:10]

devinheitmueller:

justinh: for the US market, you would be correct.

[15:22:10]

justinh:

like *users* *using* mythtv?

[15:22:43]

justinh:

and like suppliers shipping boxes with mythtv installed for money & giving nothing back? It's all allowed

[15:23:23]

sid3windr:

you mean, like just about ALL the manufacturers of bluetooth usb sticks in the world?

[15:23:30]

devinheitmueller:

Sure, it's allowed. However, it does leave a bit of a bad taste in my mouth when those parties do not contribute changes/fixes/improvements back. And when a company then turns around and does a closed-source-driver, it's an extra slap in the face.

[15:23:33]

sid3windr:

working with just about the same drivers :)

[15:23:59]

justinh:

devinheitmueller: well sure the last bit is naughty.. but the rest is just... from their own perspective why bother?

[15:24:32]

sid3windr:

"from their own perspective: works under Windows just fine"

[15:24:46]

** sid3windr moves that first quote up a few words **

[15:24:49]

devinheitmueller:

justinh: exactly. Because they don't actually give a crap about the community. Good citizens go the extra mile to contribute back to the community.

[15:24:59]

justinh:

I don't

[15:25:04]

** sid3windr neither **

[15:25:09]

justinh:

the community left a bad taste in my mouth

[15:25:14]

** sid3windr = lazy **

[15:25:20]

justinh:

ungrateful ****s

[15:25:35]

justinh:

no wait. ungrateful, petty, whiny, demanding

[15:25:48]

devinheitmueller:

justinh: If you have nothing to contribute, then fine. But if you are a commercial party who leverages somebody else's work, and then doesn't make your fixes available... Well, that's kind of a crappy thing to do.

[15:25:55]

sid3windr:

so how's that blootube version for mythUI coming along!

[15:26:13]

justinh:

sid3windr: it's moving skipwards as we speak

[15:26:23]

mishehu:

devinheitmueller: some companies seem to feel that the community is simply their source of free labor to profit off of.

[15:26:30]

justinh:

concept is maturing well though :)

[15:26:44]

devinheitmueller:

mishehu: yes.

[15:26:45]

mishehu:

I'd love to see what the statistics are for where their cards are used the most – linux or windows or mac

[15:26:47]

justinh:

mishehu: the pure spirit of open sores!

[15:26:47]

sid3windr:

justinh: cool, I'll be expecting it around lunch tomorrow then.

[15:26:49]

sid3windr:

:>

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** Josh__ wishes this remote X session was a *little bit* faster **

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devinheitmueller:

mishehu: Almost all of the cards are used for Windows. Linux/MythTV users are an *extreme* minority.

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** sid3windr is working on $ubuntubasedhardware and will contribute or at least publish all patches done **

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justinh:

I only ended up using linux cos my ****ing tuner wouldn't work in windows without GPFing every 5 minutes

[15:28:00]

mishehu:

justinh: funny, I could swear somebody just tried to sell me cream for Open Sores in my e-mail...

[15:28:42]

mishehu:

devinheitmueller: most for Windows Media Crap Central Command and Conquer?

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** iamlindoro sets the MythClods on fire **

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sid3windr:

you insensitive mythclod.

[15:31:03]

** justinh wants SGs to become cloud-enabled **

[15:31:38]

** justinh is secretly a MediaPortal double-agent. Muhahaha. MUhahahahahaha. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA **

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justinh:

http://i.imgur.com/WGSDC.jpg

[15:32:46]

iamlindoro:

I really struggle to understand how anyone could defend that BS as legal/ethical

[15:33:00]

iamlindoro:

"Oh, I should get to use *anyone's* cable subscription!!"

[15:33:05]

justinh:

or even mildly *possible* given today's upload pipe width

[15:33:23]

sid3windr:

I can almost do placeshifting

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sid3windr:

1.25Mbit up

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sid3windr:

now if only I could do that with HD.. ;>

[15:33:54]

justinh:

1.25Mbit HDTV. Mmmmmmmm

[15:33:57]

justinh:

digital quality

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jduggan:

sounds like itvhd hahah

[15:34:18]

justinh:

FULL DIGITAL QUALITY!

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devinheitmueller:

Well, if that's MPEG2, then you probably wouldnt' be very happy with only 10Mb.

[15:34:35]

devinheitmueller:

(since the average ATSC HD channel is around 12Mbps)

[15:34:36]

iamlindoro:

justinh, Yeah, you get one zero *and* one one!

[15:34:38]

sid3windr:

:)

[15:35:13]

skd5aner:

hey – has anyone thought about what the "cloud" can offer us myth users?

[15:35:20]

skd5aner:

I've been thinking about it lately

[15:35:21]

skd5aner:

;)

[15:35:28]

** iamlindoro looses the hounds **

[15:35:32]

skd5aner:

lol

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** Josh__ continues watching 'True Blood" **

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justinh:

the only cloud those people should *really* thinking about is the one floating around the insides of that glass pipe

[15:37:09]

Josh__:

justinh: that cloud is my friend. I named him Fred.

[15:37:14]

justinh:

we need a ML thread generator script

[15:37:23]

justinh:

Mythtv $flavourofmonthsubject

[15:37:32]

justinh:

so far Mythttv virtualisation

[15:37:36]

justinh:

now mythtv cloud

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justinh:

oo mythtv on windows

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mishehu:

skd5aner: the cloud has only one purpose – to rain on you

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skd5aner:

I was joking, given the ML discussion, of course

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Josh__:

Mythtv on Cobalt Qube2.

[15:38:57]

mishehu:

and maybe zap you in the a** with a big bolt of lightning

[15:39:15]

skd5aner:

however – your statement isn't that far off, I have to deal with cloud computing at work on nearly a daily basis right now

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justinh:

we'd have more luck joining the servers at work together with fresh air

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devinheitmueller:

Josh__: I *loved* the Cobalt Qube2!

[15:40:23]

skd5aner:

turmultuous storms in them there clouds!

[15:40:48]

** mishehu hates this term "cloud" which just is some keetchy (sp?) word for a well known concept... **

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Josh__:

devinheitmueller: I still use mine, sits on the other side of my couch as the sub :)

[15:41:39]

devinheitmueller:

The MIPS processor was a bit slow, but I really liked the hardware design. Too bad they got bought by Sun.

[15:42:13]

skd5aner:

catchy

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justinh:

heh too bad Integrated Micro Products got bought by Sun too

[15:42:48]

justinh:

I worked for them. Made a killing with our share options though

[15:43:03]

Josh__:

GOOD GOD this frontend is slow.

[15:43:15]

justinh:

oo it's that mid-afternoon thing again

[15:43:17]

skd5aner:

Any early submissions for the themeing contest yet?

[15:43:18]

** devinheitmueller is looking for a wealthy benefactor to fund LinuxTV development.... **

[15:43:48]

Josh__:

PuTTY/Xming environment over 1.5/764k cable.

[15:44:29]

skd5aner:

I find when i have to remote X, that the OpenGL painter is very unfriendly to me

[15:52:04]

mishehu:

skd5aner: nah, "keetchy" (however it spelled) doesn't mean "catchy"

[15:52:19]

mishehu:

it's probably more so british english than american english.

[15:54:41]

skd5aner:

maybe, but MW defines it that way: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/catchy ?

[15:54:56]

skd5aner:

like "that's a catchy song"? right?

[15:55:59]

skd5aner:

maybe slightly different in british, far be it from me to know the subtleties :)

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mishehu:

skd5aner: nope

[15:57:09]

mishehu:

doesn't mean the same as "catchy"

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manpoole:

for lirc trasnmitters i have 1 .conf file that works and the other that doesnt can someone tell me whats wrong with the conf of the second?

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manpoole:

i have them both on pastebin if anyone can help

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skd5aner:

mishehu: I'll take your word for it ;)

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mishehu:

damn oed.com isn't free to use

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mishehu:

skd5aner: I was going to find it in oxford, but they charge

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skd5aner:

mishehu: no worries :)

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Dubstar_04:

I have been having problems with coverart disappearing from within mythvideo. is this a common issue?

[16:30:48]

iamlindoro:

If you are running something like mythbuntu, yes

[16:31:52]

iamlindoro:

Or running Jamu automatically on any distro, it can get removed from Video_TS directories

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Dubstar_04:

iamlindoro: i am running mythbuntu. do you know what the issue is?

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iamlindoro:

But mythvideo itself won't ever just remove artwork, every known cause of that is the running (usually automated) of external scripts

[16:33:07]

iamlindoro:

Yes, they set up a default Jamu cronjob weekly... and they released a version of .22 that was not the release

[16:33:38]

iamlindoro:

so a) make sure you have their nightly build repository enabled and are running the absolute latest fixes, which should solve most issues, and will get you the fixes for everything moving forward

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Dubstar_04:

I have always used the upto date fixes branch

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iamlindoro:

You can disable the weekly jamu cronjob if you like

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Dubstar_04:

I wonder if this relates to folder.* files not showing?

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iamlindoro:

no

[16:34:48]

iamlindoro:

folder.jpg is done on the fly, and works fine

[16:35:37]

iamlindoro:

suppose it's possible that the coverart hasn't disappeared, but is instead invalid, in which case mythvideo is trying to load now-invalid paths for artwork

[16:35:53]

iamlindoro:

But that shouldn't happen if you are running absolute up-to-date fixes as you say

[16:36:42]

iamlindoro:

anyway, one way or another the answer is you have incorrect DB metadata due to having run a broken pre-release copy of Jamu on it all

[16:36:50]

iamlindoro:

which isn't your fault, but probably something you want to get fixed

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RDV_Linux:

Dubstar_04: One thing you should do is make sure that Mythbuntu is up to date with 0.22+fixes in that way you will get any fixes to jamu and Myth as a whole. See: http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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Dubstar_04:

I have now removed the cron job and I updated to the latest build last night

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manpoole:

anyone with lirc transmitter knowledge?

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Josh__:

manpoole: are they identical transmitters?

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manpoole:

well i have one transmitter a mceusb i am trying to trasnmit to a tv with an existing .conf file however it will not work

[16:41:06]

manpoole:

however when i try to transmit with a lirc supplied .conf file it works

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Josh__:

Then use the lirc supplied file?

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Josh__:

and change your lircrc to match?

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manpoole:

lirc will not even recognize there is a transmitter configured with the second .conf

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Josh__:

manpoole: you using ubuntu?

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manpoole:

well the .conf file i want to use there are a list of raw signals i want to send the tv

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manpoole:

and yes

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manpoole:

http://pastebin.com/m4044c4

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Josh__:

you said earlier you had them pastebinned

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Josh__:

aha

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manpoole:

that is the .conf i wish to use

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Josh__:

That was pulled from lirc.org/remotes /

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Josh__:

?

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manpoole:

no that was made by someone else

[16:45:42]

manpoole:

lirc refuses to even acknoledge the the .conf file

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Josh__:

What's the error message when you start lircd?

[16:46:21]

manpoole:

when i use this .conf for the transmitter http://pastebin.com/m58b3cf25 it works fine

[16:47:13]

manpoole:

oh i was just using irsend SEND_ONCE lg IN_START

[16:47:53]

Josh__:

unless you specify a config file on irsend's command line, it still uses the default at /etc/lirc/lircd.conf

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manpoole:

i changed the lircd.conf file accordingly

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Josh__:

You know you can append the remote config for the LG into the existing lircd.conf, right?

[16:49:49]

Josh__:

I dont see anything wrong with the lircd.conf with the raw codes though...

[16:49:52]

manpoole:

yea i don't know how exactly but would that fix it?

[16:51:07]

manpoole:

im aware you can do that

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manpoole:

when i use the lg.conf file and i type irsend list "" "" nothing shows up

[16:52:39]

manpoole:

the name of the remote should show up

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gbee:

is it just me, or are there an increasing number of 'dumb' tickets being opened?

[16:56:09]

jarle:

Does mythgallery still let you pause/restart a slideshow by pressing 'P'? The information at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythGallery seems to be a bit outdated...

[16:56:58]

devinheitmueller:

gbee: 0.22 just came out and has been bundled by the distros (and is now being used by less experienced users). Are you really surprised to see a bunch of new tickets?

[16:57:00]

wagnerrp:

gbee: i cant actually seem to access trac

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skd5aner:

gbee: New release, more users, (and new users) – don't expect it to get "better" any time soon

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gbee:

devinheitmueller: new tickets no, but these are generally of poorer quality than I seem to remember with past releases

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iamlindoro:

Which can only mean one thing

[16:58:25]

iamlindoro:

Myth setup has become to easy, time to make it harder again

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devinheitmueller:

gbee: Yeah, I haven't been around long enough to compare it to the quality of tickets right after previous releases.

[16:58:28]

iamlindoro:

MOAR SETTINGS

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iamlindoro:

s/to/too/

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skd5aner:

as myth expands out of the niche of technically oriented people, expect the user base to "dumb down" a bit

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gbee:

wonder if RDV_Linux would be interested in applying some python fu to my old trac registration plugin so we can finally deploy it

[17:00:07]

skd5aner:

luckily – the windows port isn't really promoted/done/easy, so at least you ahve someone who is "smart" enough to use *nix

[17:00:34]

skd5aner:

just wait till myth on windows "just works" ;)

[17:00:58]

** iamlindoro thinks we should revisit the list of people doing really helpful work now that the release is past **

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: what would the point of that list be? Just a thank you and acknowledgement of contribution?

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** devinheitmueller didn't know such a list existed. Where is this list, so I know who to complain to? **

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iamlindoro:

The point of the list would be to continue the influx of motivated hard working contributors as developers

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iamlindoro:

to avoid stagnation

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: you mean all the people who will download and try to run mythtv on windows, not understanding there is no tuner supprot?

[17:03:13]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: cool, just curious what your thoughts were behind the statement

[17:04:06]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: yup

[17:04:16]

skd5aner:

and more

[17:04:29]

wagnerrp:

so crapcast finally got their crypto waiver?

[17:04:36]

iamlindoro:

They got it a few months ago

[17:04:41]

skd5aner:

just a numbers game – people running linux (or willing to run it) versus people running windows

[17:04:44]

iamlindoro:

they're just finally doing something about it

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wagnerrp:

s/got/started using/

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wagnerrp:

fun...

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devinheitmueller:

They got their waiver back on August. They are just starting to act on it now.

[17:05:31]

iamlindoro:

!trout devinheitmueller department of redundancy department

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** MythLogBot slaps devinheitmueller with a department of redundancy department trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

[17:06:02]

laga_:

iamlindoro: rotfl

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laga_:

iamlindoro: i just got out of a 4 hour meeting and that MMD

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** devinheitmueller was running 35 seconds behind iamlindoro... **

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iamlindoro:

laga_: heh

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elmojo:

devinheitmueller: this seems like a good deal -> http://cgi.ebay.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-HVR-1800- . . . em56375923d6

[17:09:23]

gbee:

don't worry, I tend to run several minutes behind conversations in IRC, I can't keep up and get work done at the same time ;)

[17:09:52]

elmojo:

devinheitmueller: you seen these stripped down 1800 cards before? should they work with linux drivers?

[17:10:00]

devinheitmueller:

elmojo: hmm... Wow, no aux analog inputs.

[17:10:11]

devinheitmueller:

I actually hadn't seen one like that before.

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Josh__:

Sigh.

[17:10:24]

Josh__:

"to the extent... that subscribers' television sets have no CableCard slot, that is no reason to stop Cablevision from modernizing its cable systems so that its subscribers can enjoy the full benefits of an encrypted, all-digital cable system."

[17:10:28]

devinheitmueller:

... and the aux header isn't even populated.

[17:10:29]

Josh__:

Money talks, I guess.

[17:10:51]

devinheitmueller:

I probably wouldn't recommend the HVR-1800 if you want analog support in MythTV, since there is a known issue that prevents it from working.

[17:11:00]

wagnerrp:

that doesnt look like a 1800

[17:11:02]

Josh__:

cableco's are scared TO DEATH that people will steal cable they already pay for.

[17:11:32]

devinheitmueller:

It's an OEM SKU of the 1800.

[17:11:42]

elmojo:

devinheitmueller: thought it might interest you :) ..... needing to upgrade from a pure PCI backend to a PCI/PCIe backend so I saw those 1800 for cheap and wondered what you thought

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devinheitmueller:

It looks legit, although until that bug gets fixed, I probably wouldn't go for it.

[17:12:16]

iamlindoro:

Office starting to get very quiet with the holiday coming up... maybe I should skip work tomorrow

[17:12:21]

wagnerrp:

label taken off the tuner, memory chip for the encoder moved, input header removed,

[17:12:33]

wagnerrp:

speaking of the 1800, when did hauppauge discontinue that card?

[17:12:51]

elmojo:

I want them for ATSC and QAM tuning only

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devinheitmueller:

It's been replaced by the 1850. There are probably still some 1800s in the supply chain though.

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devinheitmueller:

elmojo: well, for ATSC and QAM it should be fie.

[17:13:06]

devinheitmueller:

s/fie/fine/

[17:13:12]

wagnerrp:

right, i just went on their site and was surprised to find the 1850

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elmojo:

hard to beat the price too :)

[17:13:23]

iamlindoro:

jpabq: What's the warranty on the HD-PVR again? Had one of two die on me last night... won't power on

[17:13:59]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: did you have it inside the case again :)

[17:14:09]

iamlindoro:

not anymore ;)

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wagnerrp:

the 1800 didnt come with an IR port?

[17:16:27]

elmojo:

devinheitmueller: so do you have a preference on the silicon tuners: xc, nxp or microtune?

[17:17:11]

devinheitmueller:

elmojo: I don't have much experience with the Microtune stuff. I have considerable experience with the xceive parts and some with the tda18271.

[17:17:40]

devinheitmueller:

I like the xc5000 because it's relatively easy to program, but it requires firmware.

[17:17:52]

elmojo:

I got a couple 800i PCI cards with xc5000 and they work awesome

[17:17:54]

devinheitmueller:

The tda18271 doesn't require firmware, but is *much* harder to program.

[17:18:21]

devinheitmueller:

elmojo: hope you're using a recent v4l-dvb build. The performance got *much* better as a result of a series of patches I sent a few months back.

[17:18:41]

elmojo:

I'm running 2.6.27 kernel so quite old

[17:19:04]

devinheitmueller:

elmojo: Oh, you should definitely update then. The tuning time went from 3000ms down to 300ms for both analog and digital.

[17:19:14]

devinheitmueller:

I've got an 800i. It's a pretty good board.

[17:19:27]

elmojo:

were those patches the ones related to the 1600 card I read about on your blog?

[17:19:40]

devinheitmueller:

The only problem with the 800i I've seen is a board layout issue that prevented me from powering down the chip when not in use.

[17:19:49]

devinheitmueller:

No, completely unrelated to the HVR-1600 work.

[17:20:08]

elmojo:

cool

[17:20:17]

devinheitmueller:

If you read further back in the blog, I'm sure I did a post about the xc5000 improvements.

[17:20:25]

devinheitmueller:

I believe it was around April or May.

[17:21:06]

elmojo:

I'll have a read then... I really enjoy reading your blog entries... just found them yesterday

[17:21:14]

CoreDump|home:

do you guys know of a good forum to get up to speed on LCD Full HD flatscreens?

[17:21:32]

wagnerrp:

CoreDump|home: what is there to set up?

[17:21:35]

devinheitmueller:

elmojo: Well, thank you. Always good to get feedback.

[17:21:46]

wagnerrp:

or are you looking for opinions and such?

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devinheitmueller:

elmojo: ah, here we go: http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=113

[17:21:54]

CoreDump|home:

wagnerrp: not setup, reviews, tests, user feedback etc

[17:22:12]

wagnerrp:

you might want to try avsforum.com

[17:22:37]

CoreDump|home:

I will, thank you

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manpoole:

josh i fixed it

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manpoole:

i found a different .conf file on an italian site

[17:23:23]

manpoole:

something was wrong with the format of the .conf file

[17:23:51]

manpoole:

not sure what but now lets see if it will actually control the tv

[17:24:29]

RDV_Linux:

gbee: More info please ;)

[17:24:55]

iamlindoro:

he gonnnne

[17:25:13]

iamlindoro:

(but still in #mythtv)

[17:26:19]

RDV_Linux:

I pmed him thanks

[17:26:53]

wagnerrp:

seagate 2TB for $140 on newegg

[17:27:33]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I hope the price continues to fall as I will need more space in 4–5 months.

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gizmobay:

for OTA HD, is it better to scan for the channels to have the found channels use a . or – or _ or does it really matter?

[17:30:12]

elmojo:

devinheitmueller: I just performed an ATSC scan using an 800i card the other night and didn't get any signals... wondering if it was due to the long tuning delay which you've fixed

[17:30:27]

iamlindoro:

Heh, awesome: http://alifewellwasted.com/wp-content/uploads . . . p5teaser.jpg

[17:32:44]

jpabq:

iamlindoro: 2 years

[17:33:00]

iamlindoro:

jpabq: cool, should still be covered then

[17:33:31]

iamlindoro:

Disappointed to lose another, but with the spare and if it's covered, not that big a deal.

[17:34:07]

devinheitmueller:

elmojo: possibly.

[17:34:25]

jpabq:

It is nice to have a spare

[17:35:33]

devinheitmueller:

elmojo: also, there were fixes I did to the s5h1409 driver which significantly improved the ability to achieve lock, which are almost certainly not in 2.6.27.

[17:35:42]

** iamlindoro wonders if he has any easy fun tasks to do with MythVideo today **

[17:35:55]

iamlindoro:

I'm running out of easy wins, going to have to do automatic metadata handling eventually

[17:36:13]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: stripping out the names of release groups during filename parsing?

[17:36:51]

** wagnerrp ducks **

[17:37:02]

iamlindoro:

BURN

[17:38:44]

elmojo:

devinheitmueller: you've convinced me to install the latest v4l-dvb drivers now... hope this doesn't break anything :)

[17:38:53]

sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, I was afraid to mention the $140 Seagate yesterday for fear of (more) public ridicule.

[17:38:54]

Hoxzer:

iamlindoro: I will not burn Lol ^_^. I'm fireproof for below 900c just like steel so burning kerosene wouldn't affect me at all

[17:38:56]

devinheitmueller:

elmojo: just make sure you get the latest firmware.

[17:39:14]

devinheitmueller:

elmojo: https://www.kernellabs.com/firmware/xc5000/

[17:39:19]

iamlindoro:

Everything burns if the fire is hot enough

[17:39:21]

iamlindoro:

everything

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elmojo:

cool

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wagnerrp:

whoops, it helps to be running the correct version of the bindings when trying to run a script

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elmojo:

devinheitmueller: is installing the latest v4l-dvb drivers considered safe practice?

[17:43:19]

devinheitmueller:

elmojo: generally, yes.

[17:43:41]

devinheitmueller:

elmojo: you're not needing any bleeding-edge functionality.

[17:44:00]

devinheitmueller:

In fact, all of the changes have made it into the mainline distros (such as Ubuntu Karmic)

[17:44:39]

elmojo:

only bleeding-edge stuff is possibly support for the 2250 card if I decide to get one

[17:45:19]

devinheitmueller:

elmojo: Of course, there is always *some* risk in installing the trunk, so you always have to accept the risk that you might need to reinstall your kernel RPM if you get hosed.

[17:45:47]

elmojo:

was going to install the latest drivers on Ubuntu 8.10...

[17:46:14]

elmojo:

I don't want to upgrade my distro just for driver updates :)

[17:47:09]

devinheitmueller:

elmojo: well, if you don't upgrade regularly, then you don't get the benefits of upgrading regularly. ;-)

[17:48:01]

elmojo:

and I also don't get the headaches caused by upgrading :)

[17:48:20]

devinheitmueller:

elmojo: yup, life if full of choices depending on your level of risk-aversion.

[17:49:50]

devinheitmueller:

It's right up there with "how come I cannot install MythTV 0.22 on my six year old PC?"

[17:50:31]

elmojo:

devinheitmueller: my current backend is an Athlon XP based system... so I'm behind the times

[17:51:29]

elmojo:

I've recently had to clock the FSB down to 100MHz for it to boot which I'm taking as a hint that I need to replace it

[17:51:33]

devinheitmueller:

In fairness, the only reason I really track the bleeding edge is so I can spot bugs before users do.

[17:52:31]

devinheitmueller:

... which happens more often them I might like...

[17:52:48]

elmojo:

of course it has 5 PCI slots which I've populated over time with tuners and newer motherboards typically only have 2 to 3 PCI slots so that's why I'm looking at PCIe cards

[17:53:21]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah, the 2250 is a pretty good card as long as you don't need analog.

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sphery:

RDV_Linux: Thank you /very/ much for your post to the "[mythtv-users] For HD Myth users, what is/was your cost?" thread.

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iamlindoro:

wrong doug

[18:02:48]

iamlindoro:

The guy in the thread was Doug Haber

[18:03:18]

RDV_Linux:

sphery: Sorry to disappoint you ;)

[18:03:54]

sphery:

sorry... I got confused

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[18:03:58]

sphery:

anyway, thank whoever

[18:07:49]

wagnerrp:

just think of how much we can save on costs if we put mythtv on the cloud

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wagnerrp:

do people not understand what 'cloud' even means?

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iamlindoro:

It means I get to use your tuner and cable, right? And it's okay because I only keep 30 seconds on each machine? That's what I heard on the list.

[18:09:21]

iamlindoro:

;)

[18:09:30]

markl_:

does ubuntu 9.10 have 0.22 in the standard repository?

[18:09:31]

iamlindoro:

That thread *really* irritated me

[18:09:36]

iamlindoro:

like, more than any in a while

[18:10:04]

iamlindoro:

markl_: yes

[18:10:05]

markl_:

sure looks like it, cool

[18:10:18]

iamlindoro:

though you want their nightly repository as the version they distribute is a pre-release

[18:10:28]

iamlindoro:

ie install it, but then enable their nightly repository and get all the updates

[18:10:33]

markl_:

whose nightly repository?

[18:10:36]

iamlindoro:

so that you are running the actual release

[18:10:38]

iamlindoro:

mythbuntu's

[18:10:43]

markl_:

ah ok cool

[18:10:45]

wagnerrp:

well the whole distributed storage garbage aside, people dont understand just how expensive the cloud is

[18:11:00]

iamlindoro:

I'm half tempted to go read their mailing list insanity

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wagnerrp:

i mean on most of those services, the break even point at which you should just buy and maintain your own hardware is under two months

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Captain_Murdoch:

surely it has to work like a torrent, if 5000 people have the same episode of House that I want to watch, I can download it at a kazillion bytes per second and watch it at 3x timestretch in HD 2160p.

[18:13:17]

iamlindoro:

Shiny!

[18:13:49]

Captain_Murdoch:

WAF will go through the roof (or something/someone will) when the guy who has the last 30 seconds of desparate housewives decides to turn his computer off for the evening 2 minutes before that spot is about to be played.

[18:14:14]

wagnerrp:

s/WAF/wife/

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mag0o:

will she come back?

[18:14:38]

wagnerrp:

probably with a blunt object

[18:14:38]

devinheitmueller:

mag0o: Of course – it's the law of gravity.

[18:14:45]

mag0o:

doh!

[18:15:00]

devinheitmueller:

Well, unless she exceeds escape velocity.

[18:15:28]

Captain_Murdoch:

velocity depends on what was going on in the scene 30 seconds prior.

[18:15:34]

devinheitmueller:

And if she goes through the roof faster than the speed of light, she will have returned before she left.

[18:17:24]

sphery:

hey, the list just found the wand remote ( http://thewandcompany.com/ )--only 2 months (?) after it was mentioned here

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I don't know. There's something to be said about this whole cloud thing. I could let someone else pay for the $50 ATSC capture card and then I could download their HDTV version of a 1 hour show and it would only take me about 2 days to download it--and it would be pre-commflagged, so we wouldn't need to distribute commflag markings using NNTP. That seems like it's worth it to me.

[18:28:17]

justinh:

just reading the scrollback. dunno wth people think brits speak like but keetchy is no word I've ever heard

[18:28:53]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, that's the beauty of it, if 5000 people record just 30 seconds each, I can download 5000 of those 30-second clips in parallel.

[18:29:15]

justinh:

then all the MPAA have to do is ban internet access

[18:29:21]

justinh:

result!

[18:29:45]

Captain_Murdoch:

that will also make it easy for that persistent user who keeps wanting to insert his own commercials. :)

[18:29:46]

justinh:

I mean, it's all been downhill since it was opened to the public

[18:32:18]

Captain_Murdoch:

and every 30 seconds, the stream's parameters change, 720p, 540i, analog 320x240, 1080i, 540p, etc.. that helps keep you awake. the nice thing is since the clocks on these 5000 computers are all out of sync because the users don't know what ntp is, then you'll get to watch some 30-second clips multiple times over and over downloaded from multiple out-of-sync sources just in case you missed someting.

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iamlindoro:

I was sleepless at 3 AM writing my response to that threading, knowing that I would wake to an army of people telling me what a douchebag I am

[18:33:17]

iamlindoro:

er thread

[18:33:57]

iamlindoro:

"How DARE you tell me I can't share cable with my anonymous friend who I've never met who lives in a different country! NAZI!"

[18:34:01]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: not to mention the broadcasters and re-broadcasters being out of sync plus delays incorporated due to STB's--so even with NTP, you'd be off by seconds at a time

[18:34:02]

skd5aner:

eh – let it go, doesn't matter anyway

[18:35:16]

Captain_Murdoch:

:) it's the same arguments (and more) for the people who bring up distributed commercial flagging every 6–8 months.

[18:35:33]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: BTW, is there an "approved" solution for: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/409445#409445

[18:35:50]

skd5aner:

Captain_Murdoch: I think I was one who brought that idea up – like 4 years ago :D

[18:36:23]

skd5aner:

but it was more of fixing improper commercial flagging, pipe dream none-the-less

[18:38:02]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Which thread was that ?

[18:38:05]

Captain_Murdoch:

it works well enough for me to not spend time on it. everyone who has come along the line in the past 6+ years with ideas about enhancing it has drifted away after experimenting or maybe providing a semi-working patch or two. it's nowhere near as easy as people think. it's not an exact science, that went away when blank-frame detection by itself quit working as an acceptable flagging method.

[18:38:13]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: The "Mythcloud" thread

[18:39:10]

skd5aner:

yea – I only have 1 or 2 programs where commflagging just doesn't work effectively and I have to turn it off

[18:39:11]

AndyCap:

Captain_Murdoch: flagging@home!

[18:39:29]

skd5aner:

beyond that, it's almost always close to perfect

[18:39:58]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/410014#410014 (original) + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/410092#410092 (new thread started because people told him it was illegal in the first thread :)

[18:40:08]

skd5aner:

My wife complains that she has to turn off comm skip when she watches "Intervention" – lots of black screens and stuff

[18:40:27]

sphery:

must be one of those guys who has started 200 different ebay accounts--goes to a new one as soon as he gets any negative feedback

[18:40:28]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, it is always OK to just nuke the contents of the jobqueue table. there is probably some checking we could put to check for a non-existent file (if that was the case and I'm skimming that thread correctly)

[18:41:04]

sphery:

yeah, was just wondering if there was a good UI way of doing it

[18:41:12]

sphery:

doesn't happen often at all, so probably not a big deal

[18:41:27]

skd5aner:

Also, I've noticed that NBC has started to show 30 seconds at the VERY end of the show for their sitcoms (on Thursday), right before they show the next show. It skips the end EVERYTIME, and goes to the begining of the next show

[18:42:26]

sphery:

skd5aner: yeah, they actually did that because they realized that the comm break between shows allowed/encouraged viewers to surf to other stations

[18:42:44]

skd5aner:

sphery: yup, it's obvious that was their intention

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, if we knew what the error was, we could make sure it displayed in the status screen. I thought I had it setup so that all errored jobs showed up there, maybe that got broken along the way.

[18:43:27]

sphery:

some of the producers got very upset with the changed commercial break schedules

[18:43:49]

sphery:

networks wanted more shorter breaks and at different points (that made telling a story more difficult)

[18:44:19]

skd5aner:

now – if we could only figure out how to make commercial flagging smart enough to account for cases like that – happens on other networks too, CBS for example

[18:44:30]

Captain_Murdoch:

skd5aner, they're doing that just like they do Leno. he supposedly has show leading right up to the news. NBC recommended that local stations not put commercials after that, but instead jump right into the news so they kept more viewers.

[18:44:36]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah, probably not worth worrying about, at this point. I may put it into my TODO list (down low)

[18:44:49]

skd5aner:

always have to rewind for the last 20–30 seconds of most of the sitcoms that record

[18:46:23]

sphery:

speaking of Leno, I find the flagger often misses the 30 seconds of Leno introducing the next "act" and then cuts to right before sending out the guest comic

[18:46:24]

skd5aner:

but – beyond those cases, and the random show with weird edits/cuts/dark scenes/flashbacks, comm flagging rarely causes me too many headaches

[18:46:44]

sphery:

yeah, it's /very/ accurate for me

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sphery:

and nothing that a quick skip back or two can't handle

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skd5aner:

sometimes the skip back at the end of a recording is a bit more of a pain though it seems

[18:48:29]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, I've seen several shows where it seems they actually time a blank frame or scene change 30-seconds in to mess up commercial flaggers.

[18:48:42]

Captain_Murdoch:

law & order was one but I rarely watch that now.

[18:48:47]

sphery:

yeah, though I find that usually it prevents the commercial jump for me--since it goes to end of show

[18:49:06]

sphery:

then I skip forward or use "1 <" (to go to 1 minute before end of recording)

[18:49:33]

sphery:

^^^ being in response to skd5aner

[18:50:49]

sphery:

Wow... Fair Use gets me around copyright. All I have to do is break up any recording into 30-second chunks and it's legal to copy 100% of it.

[18:51:32]

iamlindoro:

yeah, that... FDKGAHFGHAFD:LKGSF

[18:52:04]

iamlindoro:

The notion that fair use is a set of "gotchas" to get around being guilty of theft

[18:52:56]

sphery:

I'm just glad we have such a huge army of non-Lawyers who are putting others at risk rather than putting up the cash/time to prove themselves right.

[18:53:19]

sphery:

/are/are willing to/

[18:53:55]

skd5aner:

Captain_Murdoch: Yea, forgot about that one – Law and order anymore seems to frequently skip past the first commercial break and start playback from that point and miss the whole intro :(

[18:54:11]

sphery:

and it seems that doing something that has no legal use is perfectly fine since it's the /user/ that breaks the law.

[18:54:22]

sphery:

too bad Napster couldn't come up with that novel argument

[18:55:16]

AndyCap:

sphery: if only there was a name for this torrent of 30-second movie pieces tracking technology

[18:55:40]

Captain_Murdoch:

skd5aner, that's why we have Z and Q :)

[18:55:48]

skd5aner:

:)

[18:56:24]

Captain_Murdoch:

AndyCap, 'cloud', this isn't your father's torrent.

[18:56:33]

skd5aner:

yup – I'm just waiting for the day where I can control the playback with my mind. Feature Request without a Patch? ;)

[18:56:46]

sphery:

AndyCap: Agreed. I'm sure someone in the mIRC-y depths of the Internet might be able to come up with a name for it.

[18:56:58]

** Captain_Murdoch pictures the wand stuck to skd5aner's head with a big rubber band **

[18:57:11]

sphery:

Though if you ask on the Internet, you might get a Torrent of answers.

[18:57:40]

skd5aner:

I'll resell it as the "unicorn"

[18:58:24]

AndyCap:

sphery: you'd be on the fasttrack before you can say mpaa.

[18:58:33]

** devinheitmueller is just now catching up on the thread "[mythtv-users] mythfrontend 0.22 with PulseAudio". Grrrr.... **

[18:58:57]

sphery:

Someone really needs to do a video of a group of friends watching TV while using the wand (or a WiiMote) as a remote control and the guy with the remote beats up the other viewers while controlling the video.

[18:59:13]

sphery:

AndyCap: heh... :)

[18:59:53]

sphery:

devinheitmueller: "I am talking about solving the problem now, not when some developer shooses to change something."

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justinh:

sphery: like the windows 7 ads only honest?

[19:00:26]

devinheitmueller:

sphery: he is welcome to submit a patch!

[19:00:28]

sphery:

Yeah, it's those devs just /refusing/ to fix the problem because they don't care that distros have Pulse and they want to force users to not use Pulse

[19:00:48]

sphery:

justinh: exactly

[19:01:15]

devinheitmueller:

ll

[19:01:20]

devinheitmueller:

sorry, wrong window.

[19:01:22]

** AndyCap will get back to mythtv and pulseaudio, when I can actually put dolby-digital through pulseaudio **

[19:02:01]

skd5aner:

devinheitmueller: I'm sorry, the answer was 42, try again

[19:02:01]

devinheitmueller:

Out of curiosity, has anyone actually dug into the problem yet?

[19:02:04]

sphery:

AndyCap: ooh, and then you could have PulseAudio automatically switch that AC-3 stream to go to your bluetooth headset when you connect it

[19:02:23]

devinheitmueller:

From what I gather, it's some sort of propagation delay through pulse.

[19:03:16]

AndyCap:

I'll settle for being able to run mpd, flashvideo and mythfrontend without a lot of voodoo

[19:03:53]

AndyCap:

on hdmi out. :P

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justinh:

pulse sucks even without mythfrontend stopping it

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simcop2387:

anyone know if there's a repo out there for ubuntu 8.10 for 0.22?

[19:30:58]

justinh:

heh scared of karmic huh

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: You're not allowed to talk any more when I'm just on the verge of figuring out how to do something ;)

[19:31:22]

iamlindoro:

(unless you've going to help me do it, in which case talk away ;) )

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iamlindoro:

er you're

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, right now I'm just going to hack up a watcher for the video SGs

[19:32:18]

iamlindoro:

And see where it goes

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simcop2387:

ah nevermind i found the autobuild repo thingy

[19:33:04]

errr-or:

hi, i have some trouble getting my remote control to work. if i start lirc manually i can see input from my remote but it doesnt work in mythtv. keys i get shown are the right ones on the remote

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justinh:

errr-or: button names in the lircrc or .lircrc file need to match up with those in lircd.conf

[19:35:01]

justinh:

that's ~/.mythtv/lircrc or ~/.lircrc that is

[19:35:53]

justinh:

and when you say you can see input from your remote I assume you mean from irw

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errr-or:

yes, sorry irw is the tool :)

[19:36:44]

errr-or:

i have a ~/.lirrc which has some includes and i got ~/.mythtv/lircrc also set up for my remote

[19:36:54]

errr-or:

the includes are looking fine too

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justinh:

didn't know those could use includes

[19:37:19]

justinh:

the button names have to match. case & all

[19:37:38]

errr-or:

i could post my files on pastebin if you like

[19:37:50]

justinh:

CBA to look

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justinh:

btw no use starting lircd after mythfrontend has started either

[19:38:41]

errr-or:

i have mythfrontend on manual start

[19:40:48]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, you get things working with QFileSystemWatcher and it's easy to convert it to use a shared global instance. :) just requires wrapping QFileSystemWatcher and instantiating one inside the backend and frontend and hooking up some events.

[19:41:16]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: Well, I was actually working on creating the instance within the backend

[19:41:36]

iamlindoro:

And monitoring that backend's video SG dirs, with come backend metadata adding/handling code

[19:42:40]

iamlindoro:

I've actually got the QFileSystemWatcher hooked up right now, just outside my score to make it as general as #mythtv was talking about

[19:42:45]

iamlindoro:

er my scope

[19:43:01]

iamlindoro:

Just wanna see if I can maybe make it work and maybe some of the code will be useful

[19:43:29]

Captain_Murdoch:

the instance in this case would be a MFileSystemWatcher declared in main.cpp of the BE and FE. those would listen for "FILESYSTEM_WATCHER ADDDIR /mnt/cdrom" type events and send out "FILESYSTEMWATCHER DIRCHANGED /mnt/cdrom" events. your code would just have a customEVent() that listened for events it wanted to monitor.

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Josh__:

Oooh I pissed it off.

[19:43:59]

Captain_Murdoch:

s/events it wanted to monitor/dirs it wanted to monitor/

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Captain_Murdoch:

I could code up the global stuff since I want to use that for my .xml off-line recordings patch.

[19:46:16]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: if you want to set out the structure for it, I can probably figure out hooking into it

[19:46:53]

Josh__:

This storage group configuration has me completely baffled.

[19:47:48]

justinh:

Josh__: you config directories to share globally with SGs in mythtv-setup

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sphery:

Oh, wow. The problem with Pulse only exists for the first 2 seconds of playback--so says the list. Too bad no one thought to let a recording play for > 2s before writing code to disable Pulse in Myth...

[19:48:07]

justinh:

Josh__: any local dirs you wanna specify for mythvideo are done on each frontend like the old way

[19:48:24]

justinh:

ie configure the dir(s) in mythvideo settings

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justinh:

but don't let the dirs cross paths with the SGs. e.g. if /myth/videos is a SG, don't make mythvideo on a frontend use /myth/videos/isos

[19:49:35]

justinh:

there's bog all else to it

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Josh__:

justinh: that's the thing – I configured SG's when I set up this backend a few weeks ago. jamu was complaining about a video dir not being set, so I set one (on the backend's mythfrontend config)

[19:50:27]

justinh:

oops

[19:50:54]

Josh__:

None of that metadata would translate to any of the other frontends, so I wiped the frontend folder settings, (keeping the original SG's set with mythtv-setup), and now MythVideo says "no files found"

[19:51:30]

RDV_Linux:

Josh__: Are you using Mythbuntu?

[19:51:47]

Josh__:

RDV_Linux: backend is debian lenny.

[19:51:58]

Josh__:

frontend in the living room is mythbuntu running svn.

[19:52:12]

Josh__:

I think I found the problem

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RDV_Linux:

Josh__: Ok my suggestion is invalid

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errr-or:

justinh: where do i set the startup options for lircd?

[19:53:11]

justinh:

Josh__: mixing versions?

[19:53:20]

Josh__:

hmm, let's see if SG's follow symlinks :p

[19:53:23]

justinh:

errr-or: I don't know what you mean

[19:53:35]

skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: Still having a REAL slow response with jamu retrieving movie data, not sure how to diagnose. Any ideas?

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justinh:

errr-or: if you mean daemon config options lircd.conf, hardware.conf. RTFM on lirc

[19:54:19]

** iamlindoro wonders if RDV_Linux would prefer he just svn rm'd jamu to keep people wanting his personal service off his back **

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errr-or:

justinh: thanks. i'll read

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: not really looking for support, just advice – he's free to not give it to me

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skd5aner:

I had already been talking to him about it over the weekend

[19:55:23]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Jamu is just a script-- if it's slow, it's the APIs

[19:55:28]

iamlindoro:

not much to it besides that

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iamlindoro:

there's no choke point besides the web services

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: I checked a maintenance run of jamu with over 2000 of metadata download (8 image) of a mix of TV and Movies in 36 minutes. I think the issue is on your end.

[19:55:53]

iamlindoro:

since other than that, Jamu is just some scripted logic and DB handling

[19:56:04]

skd5aner:

understood, just wanted help tracking down the bottleneck – I do figure it's gotta be something, because what I'm seeing is probably abnormal

[19:56:31]

skd5aner:

it could be slow calls to/from the DB, it could be the grabbers, etc

[19:56:41]

laga_:

hook up a profiler and find out.

[19:56:45]

Josh__:

bwahaha

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Josh__:

SG's can follow symlinks, woot.

[19:57:13]

RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: I am currently testing a jamu patch. Is there a chance you are using secondary sources. If you are then turn that off to see if it makes a difference.

[19:57:30]

skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: yea, I think the issue is on my end somewhere, just want to narrow it down

[19:57:35]

wagnerrp:

Josh__: miro is set up that way, it records to where miro wants to record it, and then is linked into the SG for mythtv to use

[19:58:00]

skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: I don't belive I am using secondary sources, how would I check? within the frontend settings?

[19:58:17]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: You can rm my scripts? ;)

[19:58:31]

iamlindoro:

Just waiting on your word

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justinh:

you're not a dev til you regret contributing something

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wagnerrp:

shift it over to contrib or something

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: When testing this patch I thought that the secondary source was slow.

[19:59:14]

justinh:

wagnerrp: hahaha scripts graveyard

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** wagnerrp still uses mythrename.pl **

[19:59:47]

RDV_Linux:

justinh: Thanks for the definition ;)

[20:00:25]

justinh:

guaranteed way to make sure a script gets no audience :)

[20:00:38]

justinh:

oo a google wave invite. deleted

[20:00:43]

sphery:

I use mythrename.pl (and plan to change it to not allow rename :)

[20:00:45]

skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: looking in my frontend settings, under the General Video settings, all of my commands for tmdb.pl are default

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justinh:

sphery: I use dvbradioexport.pl

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justinh:

at least once per day

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justinh:

just thinking I should submit a twitter user job script which doesn't include the #mythtv hashtag

[20:01:49]

sphery:

yeah, feel free to do that

[20:01:52]

wagnerrp:

mythsymlink.pl

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sphery:

wagnerrp: or, full circle back to mythlink.pl

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wagnerrp:

well you probably dont want to hardlink

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sphery:

(technically, /full/ circle would go back to mythlink.sh, but mythlink.pl existed for a couple months)

[20:02:30]

justinh:

sphery: remove the symlink feature & call it mythscrewupyourdatabasebeyondrepair.pl

[20:02:36]

sphery:

yeah, I have to close that hard link ticket

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sphery:

though I really wanted xr is to do so so it didn't seem like I was being unreasonable after my post to the list about why it's a bad idea

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justinh:

actually myth_find_orphans.pl wasted my db a while ago

[20:03:32]

RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Have you tried using the tmdb.pl and ttvdb.py script to see how long they take to respond? It may help you see where the bottle neck is.

[20:03:33]

justinh:

totally shouldn't run it without the test/preview option first time

[20:03:38]

sphery:

yeah, I'm putting all the orphaned metadata and orphaned file handling into the backend

[20:03:48]

skd5aner:

RDV_Linux: I'm going to try that next

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sphery:

and then will rewrite the orphans and rebuild database scripts to just send a command to the backend

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sphery:

(i.e. they'll be mostly useless at that point)

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justinh:

I'm on icon scribbling duty tonight. yay

[20:04:31]

RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Basically Jamu is emulating those two scripts but in a batch mode.

[20:04:44]

sphery:

as /both/ mythfrontend and MythWeb will have support for all the functionality they previously provided

[20:05:10]

skd5aner:

what is the proper command line I should execute for a movie with ./tmdb.py?

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gbee:

how is bluray playback progressing?

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: run ttvdb.py -h

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: trunk or 0.22?

[20:05:35]

Dagmar:

loil

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Dagmar:

er lol

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Josh__:

"'/usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/ttvdb.py' -M True Blood"

[20:05:44]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Slowly. A new group has started work on a BD+ implementation and it's looking more like "the one"

[20:05:50]

skd5aner:

wagnerrp: .22-fixes, a few days old

[20:05:53]

Dagmar:

gbee: You should know we're probably never getting that legally

[20:05:58]

justinh:

works great on standalone players, I heard

[20:06:03]

iamlindoro:

gbee: as in more of a libdvdcss/libdvdnav analogue

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Only need -M and -D from either script

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: then all the commands it will run are listed in the settings table

[20:06:18]

gbee:

Dagmar: well neither is the dvd playback ;)

[20:06:33]

skd5aner:

k, yup – I see now, so I pass it an IMDB OR TMDB #?

[20:06:38]

justinh:

gbee: ah but the libs came before the DMCA

[20:06:51]

RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: IMDB

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Specifically targeting mplayer integration. It's slightly complicated by needed a Java VM for a lot of the features, but the guys working on it seem to actually know what they are doing

[20:07:00]

justinh:

infact IIRC DMCA was a result of libdvdcss

[20:07:03]

skd5aner:

thanks

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sphery:

justinh: I've heard it works great on standalone players until they change the encryption format, then you have to wait for your vendor to release a firmware update

[20:07:09]

gbee:

justinh: DCMA is an American law ;)

[20:07:11]

skd5aner:

I used -M to find the numbers, I'll do it that way

[20:07:15]

Dagmar:

gbee: Yah so we're probably about another year away from having it be "reasonably working" by the same timeline then

[20:07:17]

Josh__:

"'/usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/ttvdb.py' -D 82283 1 1"

[20:07:23]

justinh:

gbee: we have a version of it here too :\

[20:07:31]

Dagmar:

...what's DCMA? Oh wait you mean DMCA

[20:07:57]

justinh:

and if Mandelson has his way....

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devinheitmueller:

Just wait, with ACTA being drafted, we'll jam DMCA like rules down all your throats yet!

[20:08:22]

AndyCap:

devinheitmueller: be careful or it could get bitten off

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RDV_Linux:

I thought DMCA was a dysfunctional version of the YMCA

[20:08:34]

justinh:

hopw hm govt doesn't ignore the online petition to tell Mandy to naff off

[20:08:44]

devinheitmueller:

AndyCap: Goodness I hope so!

[20:08:51]

justinh:

RDV_Linux: yeah but in the DMCA they have more of a sauna than communal showers

[20:09:03]

gbee:

just trying to decide if now is the time to buy discs/players or if I hold out, haven't ruled out a standalone player but it does spoil the 'one box for everything'

[20:09:34]

iamlindoro:

gbee: AnyDVD HD + the movies in MythVideo works really nicely, though roundabout

[20:09:38]

RDV_Linux:

justinh: The more I see what you write the smarter I get ;)

[20:09:55]

justinh:

lol

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Josh__:

gbee: just throw it on an HD-PVR :)

[20:10:30]

gbee:

iamlindoro: a little too roundabout for me, especially since it means buying a copy of windows ;)

[20:10:37]

iamlindoro:

understandable

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justinh:

Josh__: needs an IR blaster to control the player though

[20:11:26]

gbee:

I can wait, pretty much everything I'm interested in watching in HD I've already recorded from broadcast anyway

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skd5aner:

out of curiosity, would someone mind running this as a comparison for me? time ./tmdb.pl -D 0118688

[20:11:39]

Josh__:

I need to learn how to hardwire a connection in replacement of a blaster.

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skd5aner:

for me real time was 38.995 seconds

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: It ran for me in less than 2 seconds

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Josh__:

realI0m2.923s

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gbee:

0:01.34elapsed

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skd5aner:

ding ding ding, we have a winner! :D

[20:12:43]

gbee:

or 1.34 seconds

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justinh:

real 0m2.461s

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skd5aner:

thanks everyone!

[20:13:13]

gbee:

eww, Batman and Robin?

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sphery:

skd5aner: for me 10s with a name-resolution error, then 1s

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner: 1.6

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skd5aner:

picked a RANDOM movie when I did ./tmdb.pl -M batman

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iamlindoro:

sure ya did

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sphery:

(name-resolution timeout that is)

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justinh:

gbee: well somebody did just point out YMCA & saunas :P

[20:13:58]

RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Sure you did ... ;)

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Did you take up speed typing in the cradle?

[20:14:43]

skd5aner:

haha, I know there's only one batman movie I hadn't seen – that's the one with Arnold

[20:14:49]

skd5aner:

was that batman and robin?

[20:14:54]

iamlindoro:

East German typing school

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kormoc:

Baman piderman

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justinh:

Josh__: optoisolator. connect the transistor end across the ir receiver data line. wire up the led end to your PC port. tada

[20:16:51]

skd5aner:

sphery: how did you determine the name resolution error? Did the script spew that out?

[20:17:23]

justinh:

hmm gonna have to schedule a backend restart later. need to change my commflagging settings. apparently UK commflagging works better than my experience shows

[20:17:44]

justinh:

then again, believing what I read on -users could lead to trouble

[20:17:57]

gbee:

skd5aner: Batman & Robin is not only the worst film of the franchise it's up there with some of the worst films ever made

[20:18:10]

justinh:

worse than Starship Troopers?

[20:18:29]

sphery:

skd5aner: Unable to contact themoviedb.org while retrieving movie data, stopped at line 123...

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justinh:

the only double sided dvd I've ever seen, and I couldn't be arsed to get up & turn it over

[20:18:36]

gbee:

Starship Troopers is one of the best films ever made ....

[20:18:45]

AndyCap:

gbee: can't say I see it here http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom

[20:18:49]

Dagmar:

Nah

[20:18:57]

AndyCap:

The Wild World of Batwoman is the closest you get

[20:19:00]

Dagmar:

What you wanna see is "Quest For The Egg Salad"

[20:19:03]

justinh:

AndyCap: people who vote on imdb have no taste

[20:19:08]

Dagmar:

It's an experience that will be with you always.

[20:19:13]

Josh__:

"Danny Deckchair"

[20:19:26]

skd5aner:

gbee: I'm with you on the "batman & robin" comment, sorry – I'll be more selective in my random IMDB number pickings in the future ;)

[20:19:27]

justinh:

I wanted to get my money back when I went to see Spiderman

[20:19:27]

gbee:

ok exaggeration, but Starship Troopers knows exactly what it is, the whole thing is satire

[20:19:40]

wagnerrp:

the only true double sided dvd ive seen is Gods and Generals

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justinh:

hahaha that was totally lost on me

[20:19:48]

wagnerrp:

and thats only because it was like 4 hours long

[20:20:03]

justinh:

ST was one of the 1st discs I ever rented

[20:20:26]

justinh:

watching it while drunk helped

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sphery:

skd5aner: I know it's a name-resolution error because I've previously investigated it. I can't reproduce it now for about a week (even though the api.themoviedb.org record TTD is 1 day)

[20:20:43]

gbee:

I don't get most of the comic book films, they are based on what to me at least is a very American culture

[20:21:07]

sphery:

and dnsmadeeasy.com TTL is 8hrs

[20:21:08]

wagnerrp:

not sure how you could miss that, i mean they all lathered down with fake propaganda

[20:21:08]

AndyCap:

you can't beat stuff like http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0196181/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0196219/ for sucky sucky movies

[20:21:22]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: Do you want to know more?

[20:21:34]

skd5aner:

sphery: gotcha, thx

[20:21:51]

sphery:

heh, TTL, not TTD

[20:21:57]

wagnerrp:

'they will fight, and they will win!'

[20:22:12]

skd5aner:

gbee: I don't get a lot of references in movies like "snatch", but I still love 'em :)

[20:22:16]

gbee:

I saw ST at the on-base cinema at RAF Waddington ... I least it began with a W ...

[20:22:23]

justinh:

snatch was dross

[20:22:27]

sphery:

no telecommunications devices for the hearing impaired involved...

[20:22:40]

justinh:

typical Brit flick

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gbee:

it's not really the language or even the references to things which don't exist outside America, but the whole super hero concept (guys with super powers who think every day of the year is halloween etc)

[20:24:45]

brad3:

hey guys, is there a document anywhere describing how to set up storage groups on multiple backends (1 master, and 1 slave?)

[20:25:02]

wagnerrp:

you just set up a SG on the machine that holds the storage

[20:25:06]

wagnerrp:

and mythbackend handles the rest

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justinh:

wagnerrp: nah that can't be right. that sounds easy :D

[20:26:04]

brad3:

haha that does sound too easy

[20:26:28]

wagnerrp:

well you do have to worry about file permissions

[20:26:33]

justinh:

brad3: if you feel the need you can still go ahead & sacrifice that goat you brought home

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wagnerrp:

and you do have to restart the backend after you change the SGs

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brad3:

;)

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brad3:

great, looking forward to trying it

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gbee:

those few Brit comics that exist (and I never read any) instead revolved either around comic (no pun intended) characters or ordinary people who did heroic things ( e.g. Dan Dare ) super powers don't come into it

[20:27:57]

skd5aner:

found the problem that was just killing my tmdb fetches – my firewall :P

[20:27:57]

brad3:

is there any special requirements for setting up a slave backend? Or just install everything, point it at the master backend ip, and configure everything else normally?

[20:28:27]

RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: Nice

[20:28:46]

skd5aner:

I had a web proxy enabled – last run before disableing the proxy: 1m14s

[20:29:02]

skd5aner:

after disabling the proxy: 1.3seconds ;)

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justinh:

brad3: yeah otherwise the same as any other backend

[20:29:44]

skd5aner:

now – why is that that I've never had trouble with the proxy slowing things up like that over the past 5 years, but this one thing practically falls over trying to get through it?

[20:29:52]

brad3:

damn this is going to be too easy.. send the goat home!

[20:30:14]

skd5aner:

brad3: maybe if you stare at it long enough you can make it's heart burst

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justinh:

brad3: anyway you don't set a BE up as a slave. just the fact it doesn't have the same IP address/hostname as the master is enough

[20:30:37]

justinh:

it's clever like that

[20:30:50]

brad3:

excellent, thanks guys

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skd5aner:

RDV_Linux, iamlindoro, sphery, others: thanks for the help in troubleshooting with me

[20:31:23]

wagnerrp:

justinh: now your the one speaking madness

[20:31:25]

skd5aner:

I just knew whatever the heck was going on was something to do with me

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skd5aner:

now to test via jamu

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justinh:

well bang goes my night of catching up on telly

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justinh:

f***ing parents phoning again

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Dagmar:

Just get a neighbor girl to pick up the phone and say "He'll answer the phone when I untie his bitch ass" and then hang up

[20:42:24]

Dagmar:

That'll cut down on those unexpected calls.

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justinh:

all old people round here

[20:42:37]

Dagmar:

Even better.

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Dagmar:

Heh

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skd5aner:

that'll make it even kinkier

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laga_:

"he's changing my diaper"

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justinh:

this is the UK. we don't talk to people who live next door :)

[20:43:41]

Dagmar:

How do you expect to have afternoon trysts with the girl from upstairs if you never talk to your neighbors?

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laga_:

the couple upstairs is, well, a couple

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justinh:

like I said, all old people round here

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justinh:

well there's a 'dolly bird' lives down the road but she never even smiles let alone speaks. moody bitch

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justinh:

they're a stand-offish bunch down here. day I got the keys to this place I went next door both ways to introduce myself, all friendly neighbourlike. SO? Yeah nice to meet you too mate. D*ckheads

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justinh:

reliably informed it's a manchester thing

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Josh__:

justinh: tell them you're scoping the neighbors to find out if their TV needs two people to load in the back of a van.

[20:49:46]

justinh:

so Dagmar it's more the other way around. hell we got burgled last year & the neighbour conversation went like "so, heard you got burgled the other night". That was it! bunch of c***s. Any wonder I'm looking for jobs back where I grew up?

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justinh:

lol. ubuntu inside me is now following me on twitter. that's made my day

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wopi345:

Hi all.

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iamlindoro:

filthy

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Josh__:

inorite?

[21:15:17]

justinh:

wth? http://www.realdigitaltv.com/

[21:16:38]

CoreDump|home:

um guys, if I want to drive a Full HD Tv with my DVI mythbox, does it matter if I use a DVI -> Component or a DVI -> HDMI cable?

[21:16:54]

sid3windr:

dvi-hdmi will be cheaper afaik

[21:16:58]

sid3windr:

as dvi=hdmi

[21:17:01]

sid3windr:

(+-)

[21:17:09]

Josh__:

CoreDump|home: I bought a DVI-HDMI adapter for 3 bucks.

[21:17:12]

sid3windr:

if you want sound with that that may be another matter :)

[21:17:23]

CoreDump|home:

nah, don't need sound

[21:17:34]

CoreDump|home:

thank you, HDMI it is =)

[21:17:35]

Josh__:

and I've heard (not certain though) that the red-blue-green component cables can only do 720p

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iamlindoro:

Josh__: component will do 1080p

[21:17:58]

Josh__:

iamlindoro: hmm, IBD.

[21:18:17]

iamlindoro:

Inflammatory bowel disease?

[21:18:23]

Josh__:

hah

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Josh__:

I'll be Damned.

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iamlindoro:

indeed

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CoreDump|home:

iamlindoro: not funny, I have that =\ And let me tell you it sucks

[21:18:58]

iamlindoro:

Thus "CoreDump"

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iamlindoro:

and staying at home

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CoreDump|home:

yeah, gave my nick a hole new meaning

[21:19:21]

iamlindoro:

"hole"

[21:19:28]

CoreDump|home:

heh

[21:19:30]

justinh:

typo

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sid3windr:

lol

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Josh__:

Writing SOP's is a PITA.

[21:20:50]

CoreDump|home:

note to future self: Learn how to write "I don't speak English" in Chinese

[21:21:06]

Josh__:

CoreDump|home: oh, holy hell

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CoreDump|home:

yeah, spanish would be easier I guess

[21:21:27]

Josh__:

CoreDump|home: reminds me of a resteraunt I saw on the road. "Captain Charlies Vietnamese Buffet"

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sid3windr:

boofay

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Josh__:

Guess you guys aren't old enough for that one :)

[21:22:18]

CoreDump|home:

now that's a dark humor I can appreciate

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khunt:

upon editing my lircrc file in home/.mythtv do i need to restart anything to make it work

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sphery:

khunt: yes, you need to restart any LIRC clients to pick up changes to your lircrc. That means you need to restart mythfrontend.

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khunt:

i exited my frontend and opened in again but it doesnt work

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khunt:

in irw i get all my buttons with the correct names

[21:29:32]

khunt:

so i edited lircrc to match

[21:29:43]

khunt:

the button names in lircd.conf

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khunt:

think i firgured it

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khunt:

remote name doesnt match

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devinheitmueller:

"...But it may break even fb usage of 350's under Myth, not just MPEG2 output." For Christ's sake, just go out and buy a damn $20 video card that has an s-video out and STFU.

[21:33:41]

devinheitmueller:

</rant mode off>

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iamlindoro:

If you're new to f-m-u, prepare to always be astonished/irritated

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Dagmar:

'cept the 350 has an X driver now

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Dagmar:

So f**k using frameebugger outputs

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CoreDump|home:

god I hate this crap. Apparently there are HDMI -> DVI cables which have either 18+1 or 24+1 contacts. What's the difference?

[21:36:28]

Dagmar:

"We're sorry. We no longer support you using that obsolete hardware in every irresponsibly jacked-up configuration you can think of."

[21:36:32]

iamlindoro:

Dual Link versus not

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Dagmar:

"In the future, you will be forced to select from a few supportedly jacked-up configurations."

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CoreDump|home:

iamlindoro: hmm?

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sphery:

is there more from him on that subject?

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sphery:

or is devinheitmueller just catching up?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: ~5 minutes

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CoreDump|home:

can't hurt to buy the 24+1 one I guess

[21:37:57]

iamlindoro:

CoreDump|home: http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/5/84663.html

[21:38:00]

** devinheitmueller thinks maybe it would be better for his blood pressure if he unsubscribed from mythtv-users... **

[21:38:16]

sphery:

it's new...

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sphery:

it's new because danielk just closed http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6366

[21:38:44]

sphery:

and, of course, we can't close a bug related to PVR-350 without him complaining

[21:39:18]

sphery:

I should /really/ respond, "Don't worry. We didn't remove PVR-350 support from MythTV 0.18.1, so you can keep using your preferred version of Myth /and/ your PVR-350 TV out." :)

[21:39:31]

Dagmar:

That sounds like a plan.

[21:39:38]

sphery:

(he really was using 0.18.1 at least a couple months ago

[21:39:50]

sphery:

he has said he plans to upgrade to 0.22, but I don't know that he's done it, yet)

[21:40:19]

devinheitmueller:

Give me his damn address and I'll dig around one of my boxes for a four year old video card to mail him.

[21:40:28]

devinheitmueller:

:-/

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CoreDump|home:

I guess I won't be needing 2560x1600 anytime soon =)

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devinheitmueller:

I'm sure I have an old nvidia 4200 or something kicking around.

[21:41:39]

devinheitmueller:

CoreDump|home: I *love* my 2560x1600!

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sphery:

devinheitmueller: look at the date on this on: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/321979#321979

[21:44:20]

sphery:

and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/397758#397758 (though he doesn't explicitly say he's using 0.18.1 on that one)

[21:45:28]

devinheitmueller:

lord. You would think somebody steamrolled his puppy.

[21:46:49]

Dagmar:

What have I been saying about why all things should be done using epoch seconds and only converted to "real"/local time when being shown to the user?

[21:46:53]

Dagmar:

I mean, technically he's right

[21:47:19]

Dagmar:

The bit about NFS tho, fuck him

[21:47:21]

sphery:

What I have been saying since everyone started whining about it is: patches accepted

[21:47:24]

Dagmar:

He needs to learn about xntp

[21:47:33]

sphery:

if it's your itch, scratch it

[21:47:51]

sphery:

I personally couldn't care less

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sphery:

because it works for me

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Dagmar:

But you know, if his email alias is going to be "f-myth-users" and he expects anyone to give a crap about him, he's off his meds

[21:48:21]

sphery:

definitely true

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devinheitmueller:

Indeed, I'm quite confident that if he wanted to become a MythtTV developer, his contributions would be welcomed...

[21:48:43]

gbee:

devinheitmueller: I don't think I'm the only dev who isn't subscribed to -users (and I haven't for the last 2–3 years)

[21:48:44]

Dagmar:

Seriously tho that NFS complaint is an NFS problem, not a Myth problem

[21:48:56]

Dagmar:

At the very least it's an OS-level problem

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sphery:

For anyone who really thinks the use of local time is a problem: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5853

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devinheitmueller:

gbee: I figured it would be a good exercise so I can easier keep tabs on people complaining about tuner problems.

[21:49:35]

sphery:

only reason it's not closed as a FRWOP is because too many people whine, so with that ticket, we can just link them and (for most) get them to quit complaining

[21:50:12]

khunt:

I created a dir /Movies then sudo chmod 0777 /Movies then i did sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb1 /Movies

[21:50:21]

khunt:

that seemed to work

[21:50:25]

khunt:

but cannot create files in movies

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khunt:

permission denied

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iamlindoro:

because you modified permissions on the mount point, not the folder you mounted there...

[21:51:18]

Dagmar:

congraulations, you fail at file permissions

[21:51:27]

devinheitmueller:

khunt: do an "ls -l /Movies" and you should see the permissions now being whatever they are in the mount.

[21:52:00]

devinheitmueller:

khunt: Doing a mount on a directory replaces the permissions with whatever the mounted filesystem provides.

[21:52:36]

khunt:

permissions are for root only

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khunt:

so

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khunt:

if i chmod /dev/sdb1

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khunt:

that will solve the issue

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devinheitmueller:

khunt: You would have to do the chmod *after* the mount.

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Dagmar:

You _desperately_ need to make an attempt to learn what those commands do, man.

[21:53:12]

Dagmar:

There is no "root only" where 0777 is involved.

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khunt:

dagmar

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Dagmar:

That you're even typing the zero says something about your knowledge level

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khunt:

the drive is root only

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khunt:

the mount point is 0777

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iamlindoro:

khunt: /dev/sdb is a device node, not a filesystem

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wagnerrp:

no, the permissions code is 777

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wagnerrp:

the mountpoint is the folder you mounted it to

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Dagmar:

Like has already been said, the permissions on a MOUNT POINT are pretty meaningless.

[21:53:56]

iamlindoro:

that's one level of abstraction *further* from what you want

[21:53:58]

devinheitmueller:

Hey, in fairness, I always use the leading zero. It means that the value is on octal notation.

[21:54:12]

khunt:

Dagmar i came for help not a flame war

[21:54:28]

devinheitmueller:

Dagmar: which to me says something about how well *you* understand file permissions. ;-)

[21:54:28]

iamlindoro:

a) mount the device in the folder, b) modify permissions to suit, c) ???, d) profit

[21:54:36]

Dagmar:

Well, if you want to take "you don't know what you're doing" as an argument, feel free

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Dagmar:

It's your _actual_ problem

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elec:

hey guys im having a problem with mythtv->xmbc integration using the myth:// handler.. i get guide info but no live tv lisitings, i've tried droping the database uninstalling/reinstalling everything nothing works.. it used to work in the past.. see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1336497 for log files

[21:56:15]

justinh:

elec: prolly more an xbmc problem. see them

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iamlindoro:

Which is to say we don't provide support for xbmc as a frontend here

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sphery:

justinh: great, now they're going to come in here and ask us to quit bad-mouthing their program

[21:56:49]

elec:

can you give any insight into this: 2009-11–24 15:30:39.516 MainServer::HandleVersion – Client speaks protocol version 8 but we speak 50!

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iamlindoro:

as the one we write works fine

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wagnerrp:

VERSION 8!?!?!

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sphery:

s/ask/demand/

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gbee:

elec: xmbc seems broken from that error

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justinh:

elec: yeah XBMC problem right there

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iamlindoro:

elec: It means your client is using a version of the protocol which is out of date and thus unusable

[21:57:21]

elec:

lol, thanks guys

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wagnerrp:

i dont even think i was around for version 8

[21:57:29]

gbee:

out of date by about 7 years

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iamlindoro:

they use libcmyth to access myth, which starts at 8 and spoofs until if finds one the BE will accept

[21:57:41]

iamlindoro:

which is suuuuuuuuper

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elec:

..i have to use xmbc since it supported on windows...

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justinh:

it's what happens when a client just makes up the protocol as they go along

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sphery:

wagnerrp: that's the "I'll pretend that I have understand and translate all possible versions of the Myth protocol since version 8" core design of the XBMC mythtv integration

[21:57:57]

wagnerrp:

well mythfrontend will run under windows

[21:57:57]

iamlindoro:

elec: We sympathize, but we still don't provide support for it here

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gbee:

elec: ... so is MythTV ...

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wagnerrp:

and is at least as well supported in here as the xbmc frontend

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sphery:

i.e. it sends a request with proto 8, gets the error, parses it, and sends a new request and lies about it speaking the version that Myth said we speak

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elec:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Windows --c'mon not offically supported = sucky

[21:58:29]

khunt:

iamlindoro, Thanks for you help mate worked a treat. Nice to come to these support forums and get good advice and not abuse ;-p

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iamlindoro:

sphery: yup

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iamlindoro:

khunt: np

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elec:

i'll go bother them, thanks guys

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justinh:

I'm honestly appalled at the nicks these days

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sphery:

elec: or try out mythfrontend!!!

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gbee:

where does it say not officially supported?

[21:59:18]

gbee:

it says no binary is distributed, it does not say it isn't supported

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wagnerrp:

may '04.... a year and a half before i started using

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Packages

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iamlindoro:

at the veeeeery bottom

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khunt:

iamlindoro, so if I add "/dev/sdb1 /Movies ext4 defaults 0 2" to fstab that will mount it on boot?

[22:01:06]

iamlindoro:

looks reasonable to me

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justinh:

if the fs is actually ext4 :)

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khunt:

yes it is

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wagnerrp:

although generally one would mount to /mnt/<something> or /media/<something>, rather than directly to root

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** iamlindoro mounts all sorts of stuff directly off of root **

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khunt:

i have a /Recordings dir for myth

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khunt:

i added another disk and this will be for /Movies

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wagnerrp:

well im certainly more comfortable putting it there than /var/lib/

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sphery:

The FHS would be so disappointed in you people

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: better /var/lib than /lib...

[22:04:02]

sphery:

heh, that's true

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Dagmar:

khunt: You do realize now that the permissions for the root of a given filesystem are _part_ of that filesystem and not it's parent, right?

[22:04:14]

Dagmar:

Otherwise, you shoudl be asking yourself where does / get it's permissions from

[22:04:21]

justinh:

oh FHS – those people who believe every dir structure should be in Klingon?

[22:04:52]

iamlindoro:

mv /gort /klatoo && cp /barata /home/nikto

[22:04:54]

sphery:

hey, I completely agree with their /srv structure (versus /var/lib/mythtv , etc)

[22:05:12]

Dagmar:

...an how about we use "1 2" and not "0 2" until we've read the man pages for fstab and mount

[22:05:28]

Dagmar:

There's no sense in incurring additional fail-overhead

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devinheitmueller:

I think we all need to adopt djb's filesystem layout semantics immediately!

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khunt:

Dagmar have a chill pill man

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khunt:

if it works

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khunt:

..

[22:06:02]

Dagmar:

Then stop posting the crazy wrongness that you're doing

[22:06:06]

Dagmar:

it MIGHT NOT work

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Dagmar:

That's my point

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khunt:

it does! work

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khunt:

its worked on my recordings for years

[22:06:32]

wagnerrp:

until you have a mangled file system that needs fscking

[22:06:44]

Dagmar:

If you were mounting say, something at /var/mysql, and /var was a filesystem on it's own separate from /, and you used 0 as the next to last argument, IT WILL FAIL

[22:06:46]

dustybin:

khunt: change your nick, i find it deeply offensive

[22:07:00]

justinh:

dustybin: ...... no, wait. I have my list

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dustybin:

?

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khunt:

dustybin its my name

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Dagmar:

That argument is what "round" of mounting a filesystem should be mounted during

[22:07:28]

khunt:

Karl

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Dagmar:

You _really_ only want important stuff and things directly attached to / needed for possibly doing other things in the first (0th) pass

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: Those of us who don't sound out the long words had it all figured out

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Dagmar:

So like, extra disks which are unimportant for getting the system booted up and working should be mounted in the second (1th) pass

[22:08:34]

iamlindoro:

And you should stop moving your lips while reading the channel

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khunt:

dustybin, should i also change my name by deed poll so as not to upset irc user

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khunt:

:-p

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** justinh ponders changing his name to Terrance Watt **

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wagnerrp:

Witt would be better

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justinh:

less offensive but not better

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khunt:

lol @justinh

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khunt:

Sadly my name really is Karl Hunt

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jduggan:

better than Mike i suppose

[22:12:53]

justinh:

look on the bright side. Your first name is spelled with a K not C, and Hunt doesn't have a silent H

[22:13:06]

dustybin:

if your name really is Karl Hunt then you surely dont need to advertise it on a IRC channel

[22:13:07]

devinheitmueller:

Per dustybin's request, Connie Lingus changes her name to Dick Hertz...

[22:13:09]

Dagmar:

What if he's secretly a messican?

[22:13:25]

justinh:

could be much worse. I mean your parents might've called you justin ffs

[22:13:37]

Dagmar:

...and they could have been british

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iamlindoro:

Hewood Jhublomi?

[22:13:42]

iamlindoro:

er Heywood

[22:14:22]

justinh:

Dagmar: xenophobia aside, rather be brit than a merkin :)

[22:14:37]

mangus580:

any idea why when I start a video playback I lose keyboard control of the machine?

[22:14:39]

wagnerrp:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1205061football1.html

[22:14:52]

Dagmar:

justinh: Well, the 'h' would be silent if he were messican

[22:15:01]

justinh:

mangus580: does your keyboard use pulseaudio?

[22:15:19]

Dagmar:

justinh: That would be a new and interesting development.

[22:15:26]

mangus580:

justinh: I dont think so... and it WAS fine

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Dagmar:

Pulse audio takes over keyboards in an effort to emulate "Type M" click amplification speakers

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mangus580:

done it twice in the same movie though

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justinh:

mangus580: possibly a focus problem

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mangus580:

this is a minimyth install

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sphery:

mangus580: focus issues--don't set bookmarks in your mythvideo videos

[22:16:08]

sphery:

(or clear the ones that exist)

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mangus580:

ahh

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justinh:

how the ...?

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mangus580:

that would be it, I bookmarked it in the other room, to come watch it here

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elec:

doh.. so mythtv for win is working great with my linux backend.. BUT i had to upgrade the db schema and now i cant use myth frontend locally on the backend.. looks like another upgrade

[22:16:50]

mangus580:

how would I clear it now that its playing?

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elec:

btw myth frontend on win is 1000 times faster then xbmc <3

[22:17:09]

justinh:

elec: you do know all myth versions have to be the same

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mangus580:

or do I just need to wait until the movie finishses now?

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sphery:

mangus580: SELECT

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justinh:

or things will break. really badly

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sphery:

space/enter

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elec:

didnt know that until like 2 seconds ago.. :)

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sphery:

though if you have no control, you may have to let it end

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mangus580:

yeah, that didnt work :-(

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mangus580:

figures... now I gotta wait for this movie to finish to use the bahtroom!! LMAO

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sphery:

might be able to use network control to clear it

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sphery:

then kill mythfrontend

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sphery:

then restart and all is good

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mangus580:

so rule of thumb, is never use bookmarks in video's?

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sphery:

until someone has identified what causes the focus issue and fixed it

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justinh:

how does having bookmarks affect focus?

[22:18:57]

sphery:

only in mythvideo

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6815\

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justinh:

wow.

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sphery:

without final trailing \

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sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6815

[22:19:27]

justinh:

madly apparently unconnected features there

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sphery:

removing the popup then completely breaks videos (versus breaking focus--which is fixable)

[22:19:56]

sphery:

so, rock/hard place

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mangus580:

sphery: does it help to not use Qt?

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sphery:

Qt is the foundation on which Myth is built

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mangus580:

ah

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mangus580:

pulling bad things from memory then

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Dagmar:

If you can get Qt out of the picture successfully tho, I imagine Myth will be much easier to deal with

[22:22:05]

sphery:

we can't change that popup to a mythui popup (and avoid using Qt widgets) until some other stuff is fixed

[22:22:20]

mangus580:

so basically sit back and suffer for a bit :-)

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sphery:

so that popup won't change until at least 0.23

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sphery:

don't suffer--just don't bookmark videos

[22:22:46]

mangus580:

well... :-)

[22:22:46]

justinh:

meh. commflagging settings are in mythfrontend after all

[22:22:50]

mangus580:

that makes it hard to change rooms!

[22:22:53]

Dagmar:

You will have to find the shower scenes manually like everyone else

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sphery:

after all, you can easily do things like 2-0-SELECT to jump to the 20-min point in the video

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sphery:

or 3-0-< to go to 30mins from end

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sphery:

assuming you have a seekable video, that is

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mangus580:

sphery: did not know that

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justinh:

unlike some other players where you can only enter absolute times. yuck

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sphery:

bookmarks in TV are fine, though

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sphery:

so, I just use TV and don't use non-TV videos :)

[22:24:34]

sphery:

(though bookmarks in TV shows recorded by MythTV then moved to MythVideo so they're played back through MythVideo are bad...)

[22:25:09]

justinh:

heh. good ole twitter. Charlie Brooker giving new BBC show 'Paradox' a fine drubbing

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justinh:

his comments almost make me wish I watched it as it went out. Whoah. I said *almost*

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dan4dm:

sphery: on our machine (quick test) 5-< goes to 5mins from beginning, not from end

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sphery:

don't know why, but it /really/ grates on my nerves when people say, "File size is B"

[22:27:57]

sphery:

dan4dm: might be > (one is end one is beginning)

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sphery:

It's this button, right here, on my remote. See?

[22:28:12]

dan4dm:

oh yeah

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iamlindoro:

Just like my name is spelled 174623?

[22:28:34]

dan4dm:

your remote is wicked

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sphery:

thanks

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sphery:

gotta work on the reception, though

[22:28:51]

sphery:

seems I'm recharging batteries way too often

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sphery:

(doesn't help that I have a big 24" LCD monitor blocking the RF when I'm on the couch)

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Dagmar:

how long are you leaving them in the charger?

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sphery:

until it says, "Done" on the LCD screen

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Dagmar:

okay, good.

[22:29:50]

Dagmar:

There's some folks using chargers that _never stop charging_

[22:29:57]

Dagmar:

Those will murder rechargeables over time

[22:30:04]

sphery:

they're AAA's, and it's an RF remote, so it does drink the juice

[22:30:06]

gbee:

RT reviewer liked it, but then this particular reviewer mentioned other things in the review that revealed their taste is somewhat questionable anyway

[22:30:14]

gbee:

justinh: ^^

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wagnerrp:

sphery: just tack on a bit of php to change it say 'missing'

[22:30:41]

sphery:

I'd be better off with a newer version of it (ATI Remote Wonder, so upgrade to RW Plus), but I can't find a way to buy one without buying the ATI All-in-Wonder(fully useless in Linux) card.

[22:30:48]

justinh:

gbee: HDD is cheap. I'll give it a go. I'm sticking with FlashForward for now

[22:30:56]

justinh:

can't be much worse

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sphery:

btw, the logic to that statement was that the RW Plus uses AA's instead of AAA's :)

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gbee:

Dagmar: in fairness, the chargers I own are all supposed to stop charging (and indicate full charge with a little led) but none of them actually switch off

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justinh:

watched precisely 0 hours of teevee today

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dan4dm:

justinh: congrats

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sphery:

oh, and I don't consider ebay a safe bet for buying a RW Plus

[22:32:15]

Dagmar:

gbee: The one I have just has some LEDs to indicate ti's charging, but at least I know it stops pushing current once the batteries reach a certain point

[22:32:43]

sphery:

actually... "Only two AAA batteries" --> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ATI_Remote_Wonder_Plus

[22:32:52]

Dagmar:

I used to have a recharger that could slowly destroy a dozen AA batteries simultaneousl

[22:32:53]

Dagmar:

y

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justinh:

smart chargers. they're smarter than your average sink current from a rectifier into the cells charger

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sphery:

I have a great charger ( http://www.thomasdistributing.com/shop/maha-m . . . cf9ikhbatek3 ) and good batteries (Powerex/Maja)

[22:34:47]

sphery:

It's just that a 900mAh AAA is a lot less useful than a 2700mAh AA... :(

[22:35:01]

** skd5aner hasn't committed to the rechargable battery route, yet **

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Dagmar:

What you need is a beer can, a good strong pair of scissors, and some electical tape

[22:35:35]

Dagmar:

Then you can convert the remote to using D cells.

[22:35:41]

justinh:

rofl

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sphery:

IMHO, the most important thing is a good charger. Many chargers destroy batteries by overheating them (charging them too quickly). You can get any 2 of: fast charges, full charges, or gentle charges. Can't get all 3.

[22:37:03]

Dagmar:

just keeping the current going into them 24/7 will destroy 'em pretty thoroughtly

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sphery:

heh, sharky tells me my remote takes 4 AA's: http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/videoca . . . 1_1013941__3

[22:37:47]

sphery:

strange, then, that they don't fit in it :)

[22:37:48]

Dagmar:

The charger I mentioned earlier was slow, and it _ate_ batteries

[22:37:57]

sphery:

wow... that's not cool

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justinh:

thing is, charging ICs which convert mains to charging current are now cheaper than the old transformer/rectifier combo of old

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Dagmar:

The only reason I put up with it was that even if I could only swap 'em out five or six times before they started sucking, it was at least a little cheaper than buying new non-rechargeable AA's that often

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Dagmar:

No joke, after five or six charges the batteries would have maybe a quarter of their capacity

[22:39:22]

sphery:

and, it's easier to find a place to recycle NiMH rechargeables than Alkaline non-rechargeables

[22:39:44]

justinh:

you have places to recycle batteries?!

[22:39:53]

Dagmar:

Just toss the latter straight into the nearest waterway. Heh

[22:40:00]

justinh:

only ever seen them on holiday in $otherEuropeanCountries

[22:40:01]

sphery:

yeah, Staples, Best Buy, Office Depot, ...

[22:40:11]

wagnerrp:

really... never knew they did that

[22:40:23]

Dagmar:

Although, hahahah... Most of the time the recycle bin there gets emptied right into the trash

[22:40:28]

sphery:

yeah--most have a bin inside the airlock where you can leave them

[22:40:33]

sphery:

some only take Li-Ion

[22:40:34]

skd5aner:

some batteries MUST be recycled, some are optional, and some are even "recommended for thowing away"

[22:40:38]

Dagmar:

...but at least you _feel_ like you did something for the environment.

[22:40:41]

sphery:

some only take NiMH and Li-Ion

[22:40:43]

wagnerrp:

'MUST'

[22:40:49]

justinh:

the packaging & the body printing says not to put them in ordinary rubbish but we don't have anywhere to put em here

[22:41:29]

sphery:

justinh: here, I'd guess that the vast majority of the ones that are "recycled" actually get shipped overseas and dumped.

[22:42:00]

sphery:

but, hey, it makes me feel like I'm doing my part

[22:42:47]

skd5aner:

This is a very interesting article about how to dispose/recycle various batteries according to law(US Centric): http://www.atbatt.com/blog/41.asp

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justinh:

omg no wife. not ****ing I'm a celeb. not again

[22:43:32]

sphery:

and I actually feel that most of what we recycle is a complete waste of time/money--newsprint, plastic, glass shouldn't be recycled, and if we spent 1/2 the money we spend on recycling them on educating people about actually using trash bins/enforcing littering laws/making it easier to find trash bins, we'd do /far/ more good for the environment.

[22:43:46]

justinh:

sigh. if only they did a version based at Black Mesa, post accident. A la Half Life

[22:43:56]

skd5aner:

sphery: my state just made throwing away plastic bottles illegal :P

[22:44:05]

sphery:

But Fluorescent bulbs and CFL's and batteries and ... /should/ be recycled

[22:44:10]

sphery:

skd5aner: wow... what state?

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justinh:

the state knee deep in plastic bottles of course!

[22:44:29]

wagnerrp:

im amazed how much people around me throw away

[22:44:35]

skd5aner:

but I'm with you, there are many things that actually cause more engery, resources, money, and waste to recycle than to make new

[22:44:49]

justinh:

skd5aner: ffs you miss the point! recycle!

[22:45:03]

justinh:

recycling is good no matter *what* the cost to the environment!

[22:45:06]

wagnerrp:

i mean on garbage day, we fill a recycling bin, and we might spill over into a second garbage can

[22:45:12]

wagnerrp:

but we usually just have the one can out

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wagnerrp:

i have neighbors who fill 3–4 cans every week

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Dagmar:

Well, a lot of the problem is the recyclers

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justinh:

industries depend on people recycling. I mean the chemical industry would suffer irreparably if we stopped recycing paper

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justinh:

(as paper I mean)

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Dagmar:

I'm sorry, I have a real hard time believing that it's harder to get aluminum out of SODA CANS MADE OF ALUMINUM than it is to get it out of rocks.

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Dagmar:

We tried can recycling in high school to raise money for the marching band.

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skd5aner:

I'm not saying "don't recycle" – what I am saying is that a lot of people blindly think recycling is the magic answer, as they look at the impacts of not recycling, but not the impacts of recycling itself

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justinh:

skd5aner: we know :)

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sphery:

I went to a job site and saw a sign above each of their plastic recycling bins saying, "Each hour, 2.5M plastic bottles are thrown away instead of recycled," and I thought, "Wow, that's a lot." Then I did the math, and realized that if you assume just the 300M population of the US, 2.5M/hr * 24hr = 60M / day. So, that means 1 in 5 US citizens throws away a single plastic bottle each day. /That/ seemed way low. So, I did ...

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sphery:

... some looking and found that same statistic being quoted back in the 1980's.

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Dagmar:

Complete waste of time it was. We _filled_ a 10x14 UHaul truck with cans.

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skd5aner:

:)

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Dagmar:

The profit after the truck rental was about $130

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justinh:

like the stupid move to lead free electronic production to 'save the planet'. now we can die of climate change (extra 25% energy to melt lead-free solder) rather than lead poisoning

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Dagmar:

Enough cans to pretty much build a second truck, and they give us that little for it

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Dagmar:

...because it's "expensive" to recycle the cans into usable aluminum somehow

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justinh:

Dagmar: but didn't it feel good to help teh planet?

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skd5aner:

Dagmar: you are correct, any metal it is more efficient to recycle than to harvest

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sphery:

Dagmar: Aluminum is one of the things that /should/ be recycled

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skd5aner:

not so with plastics, etc

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justinh:

nor paper

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: any metal?

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sphery:

the energy cost of purifying aluminum from bauxite is /huge/

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: ok, not an expert – but I know aluminum for sure

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wagnerrp:

obviously youve not dealt with some of the more exotic russian varieties

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Dagmar:

justinh: It felt like I should have been beating someone's ass for making sure it's only marginally less expensive to get aluminum from him than it is to dig it out of the earth

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skd5aner:

I remember having to sit through a couple presentations on this stuff about 8 years ago

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Dagmar:

Recycling will mainly fail until someone starts beating the crap out of managment at recycling companies

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justinh:

and there's still a hellish scary amount of 'recycling' stuff sent abroad for 'processing'

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wagnerrp:

a lot of the high temperature alloys use insanely expensive metals, thousands of dollars per kilo

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Dagmar:

justinh: Read "dropping off in the middle of the ocean"

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justinh:

electronic reclaim where 5 year old kids dunk old boards into vats of acid in their yard

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skd5aner:

you know one thing that I found to be sort of funny, the county that I moved to started "manditory" recycling programs with trash pickup (raised taxes to do it)...

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sphery:

Dagmar: or the rivers/streams next to villages in China

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skd5aner:

they send around 2 trash trucks now, 1 for trash, and 1 for recycling

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skd5aner:

so on any given day, they are wasting twice as much gas and burning twice as much fuel :P

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keith4:

Dagmar: you need to do that in a state that has deposit

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sphery:

we actually get a little bit of a refund from recycling each year. I"m sure I'm paying a few bucks per month for the recycling, but at least they give me that $1.50 in "profit" back.

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Dagmar:

skd5aner: So... if you'd like to find the core of corruption and nepotism in your local gov't, look into who is doing the collecting on the recycled materials

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justinh:

skd5aner: but on the bright side they're not putting plastic & metal into the ground near you

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skd5aner:

ha ha

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Dagmar:

There's _no_ reason it should require an extra municipal fee to do that

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: except they can run longer routes now, instead of having to go back to the depot to dump their load

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skd5aner:

dagmar: as much as I agree with you, it's not just my county – i'd be willing to wager that it's common elsewhere too (maybe not prolific, but still)

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Dagmar:

Well, like I said, beat management senseless and with great abandon

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justinh:

skd5aner: they're looking to start charging us by weight of our bins. With 'smart bins'

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Dagmar:

Your municipality was told a load of bullshit

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skd5aner:

justinh: wow, interesting (and frightening concept)

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Dagmar:

There's a good chance that the "recycler" is being paid by both the gov't just to pick the stuff up, and by the people they're selling the stuff to

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justinh:

Dagmar: and maybe the council people have shares in the 'recycler' and/or transport company

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skd5aner:

well – I should add a couple things, if you are in city limits, trash/recycling pickup is "free" (read: included in taxes)

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justinh:

(!)

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Dagmar:

If you want to see some elected officials get funny looks on their faces, start asking questions publicly about how much money that firm is returning to the city's coffers from the recycled goods.

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Dagmar:

The key word there being "publicly".

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justinh:

Dagmar: and then watch your back

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justinh:

;-)

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dserban:

I was told that there's a "****"-load of money in running a waste management company for the recycling side of things.

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Dagmar:

People who ask questions like that in private, as in, without a lot of witnesses around, tend to get "disappeared"

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justinh:

Dagmar: what would stop them offing somebody at a later date?

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Dagmar:

just that everyone knows who had a motive

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skd5aner:

if you are rural/unincorporated, then you have to pay the trashman directly, and the county govt controls the price, so for those people, when they added the recycling, they lifted the price

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justinh:

might be why our police video all demos & stuff here now

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Dagmar:

Personally, I'm offended when my elected officials can't even keep a straight face when confronted about their under-the-table dealings

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Dagmar:

Like that guy who got busted with ninety so odd thousand dollars in his freezer.

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skd5aner:

hang on, someone just rang my doorbell, I'll be *NO CARRIER*

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skd5aner:

;)

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Dagmar:

I was offended he couldn't come up with a decent explanation as to why there's almost a year and a half of his salary stuffed into his freezer

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dserban:

NO CARRIER is so... like 1993

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Dagmar:

In his freezer and in his bank account at the same time, no less

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dserban:

Dagmar municipal level?

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Dagmar:

State representative

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skd5aner:

dserban: some memes never get old

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dserban:

skd5aner: heh true enough

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Dagmar:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/13/jeffer . . . =mpstoryview

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Dagmar:

We also busted I think five or six people in TN in the last few years

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Dagmar:

One of them had also opted to "hide" his cash in his freezer

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dserban:

us canucks are too placid and quiet.. everyone likes to bend over up here

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justinh:

well, no point moaning any more. We'd all like to think there are enough right thinking people around to stop this crap ever happening again but...

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skd5aner:

I think a new mythtv meme will probably be "hey, how about using the cloud for mythtv?" ;)

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Dagmar:

justinh: I just like making "rich" people terrified

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skd5aner:

or "if you just break it up into 30 second junks, it doesn't violate DMCA"

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justinh:

how about stop breathing in the clouds from that awfully fat cigarette

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skd5aner:

too many to choose from

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Dagmar:

skd5aner: Those people will get their soon

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skd5aner:

I just find it funny more than anything Dagmar

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Dagmar:

They've gotten so litigious they're starting to destroy their own arguments now

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dserban:

I've spent the last two weeks trying to explain that myth is a solution to a problem you didn't know you had. but... that's a a pointless argument when Bluray and 1080p and all the latest buzz have people excited... iptv looks kinda cool, but I'm worried about the possible rape to the wallet

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skd5aner:

talk is cheap, let them talk all they want, heck let them play – no one can stop them, and it doesn't matter since it'll never be a part of myth

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justinh:

I'm depressed now. David Icke will cheer me up. he's funny

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Dagmar:

Like, works from the late 70's will be expiring soon, and artists will be taking their copyrights back in droves

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Dagmar:

The RIAA just successfully shot themselves in the foot this last month in a BIG way

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Dagmar:

This business of "digitally remastering" a recording as a way of "refreshing" a copyright will no longer hold water

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dustybin:

Will mythtv frontend one day work on Chrome OS?

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justinh:

dustybin: with your hard work & sheer determination. OF COURSE

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dustybin:

http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromiumo . . . ity-overview

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dustybin:

i like the sound of chrome, a interesting approach to a os

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skd5aner:

I thought chrome OS was just basically a browser built at the kernel level

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justinh:

I like the sound of chrome crushing skulls

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skd5aner:

from the way I read it, it's sole purpose is to run web delivered apps

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dustybin:

skd5aner: aye it is, its not a os for anything else

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** justinh wonders if dustybin is *ever* gonna stop asking ****ing dumbass questions **

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skd5aner:

then I would have to say that myth would have to undergo a huge platform transition before it would even be feasible to port to Chrome

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justinh:

and don't forget UK folks.. BIG retune in most areas on 2nd Dec again. Bye bye analogue

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dustybin:

another retune?

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justinh:

in most areas yeah

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dustybin:

eeek

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skd5aner:

justinh: UK completely turning off analog on that date?

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justinh:

Granada region loses analogue on the 2nd. Forever

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dustybin:

justinh: UK has been selling HDTVs for a about 3/4/5 years now? where is the HD?

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justinh:

skd5aner: region by region

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skd5aner:

justinh: ah, ok – interesting approahc

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justinh:

dustybin: coming next year to an as-yet unseen HD STB

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skd5aner:

approach

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justinh:

skd5aner: govt. is clearing the UHF band, moving to single frequency networks for a lot if not all of it

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dustybin:

there still is no point in me changing my CRT

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justinh:

has to be stages

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justinh:

*staged

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skd5aner:

gotcha: I had followed the US migration to digital only, but hadn't seen the UK's plans

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skd5aner:

All I knew as they were doing it sometime in the next couple of years

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skd5aner:

man, I'm loving jamu now that I figured out why my data grabs were running at a snail's pace

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RDV_Linux:

skd5aner: good, enjoy

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skd5aner:

haha, RDV_Linux – always lurking, waiting for compliments :)

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skd5aner:

anways – appreciate the help earlier

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sphery:

Ah, Chromium OS. After all, what could possibly be more secure than an OS that delivers all applications/functionality using JavaScript.

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kormoc:

sphery: don't forget lightning fast!

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sphery:

(Now a Java or .NET based OS, I could understand, but JavaScript? Really?)

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sphery:

kormoc: true... as my experience bears out

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kormoc:

sphery: to be fair, there's not /that/ much that JS doesn't have over other languages

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** sphery should go to one of the pages with way too much JS that cause the key release events to be delayed by several seconds, so that I can type words like, "Whatttttttttttttttt is happppppppppppppppppening to my computeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer?" **

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sphery:

kormoc: I'd prefer a strongly-typed language as the basis.

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sphery:

after all, if you don't care about types, just use assembly :)

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sphery:

(of course, that does mean if you choose .NET, you have to forbid unmanaged mode--but then again, if you want security, you'd do that, anyway)

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sphery:

trying to decide if I should watch the first 26-mins of The Mentalist from January after a 34-minute football run over

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iamlindoro:

I'd be much more concerned with whether you should watch... The Mentalist

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sphery:

It's actually not bad.

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wagnerrp:

whoops

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sphery:

Kind of like a Monk for people without cable

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sphery:

(minus the OCD, of course)

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wagnerrp:

i bumped my network boot boxes from a 4GB image to a 6GB image

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wagnerrp:

but forgot to set the new size in iscsi

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wagnerrp:

JFS didnt like that too much

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