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| [00:01:41] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: thanks, I think I'm going to nuke all the old stuff |
| [00:01:57] | skd5aner: | got it backed up if I really want to recover it again |
| [00:03:43] | skd5aner: | looks like I'll back up my ~/.mythtv/MythVideo directory that has all my old cover art too |
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| [00:16:23] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: guess what, just segfaulted my frontend while trying to scan the empty directory |
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| [00:24:12] | skd5aner: | It did clear out all the metadata after I restarted the frontend, but my guess is that it segfaulted after it removed all the videos/data |
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| [00:50:09] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: the ratings are often meaningless since they may only have a couple of votes |
| [00:50:18] | wagnerrp: | but other than that, the data is usually good |
| [00:50:24] | wagnerrp: | and the images are excellent |
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| [01:11:05] | momelod: | greeting channel |
| [01:11:45] | momelod: | can anyone point me to some documentation for the apple-trailer plugin. |
| [01:12:02] | momelod: | its not on the official site b/c apple had some legal issue w/ it. |
| [01:12:23] | iamlindoro: | It's not apple who had the issue with it, it's us... me are self policing |
| [01:12:26] | iamlindoro: | er we are |
| [01:12:43] | iamlindoro: | meaning it is a violation of their Terms of Service, and we will provide no support for it |
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| [01:12:51] | momelod: | oh i see. is it a support issue or legal? |
| [01:13:04] | iamlindoro: | legal/copyright |
| [01:13:21] | momelod: | understood. so no point in talking about it here. |
| [01:13:28] | iamlindoro: | pretty much |
| [01:14:08] | momelod: | no worries, i have other questions. :) |
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| [01:15:25] | momelod: | some of my avi files playback choppy in mythvideo's internal player, as well as mplayer. Is there codecs i need in addition to the default? |
| [01:16:10] | iamlindoro: | no, we don't use external codecs, and if it were a codec issue, it wouldn't play at all |
| [01:18:00] | momelod: | i keep seeing this when running the frontend from the terminal: 2009-11–20 20:17:26.779 WriteAudio: buffer underrun |
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| [01:22:07] | Dagmar: | So have you checked the things listed in the wiki as possible causes of it? Is this going over a network share? Are you trying to play it over wireless? Is the right disk controller driver running so you actually get non-suck throughput from the disk? |
| [01:22:47] | Dagmar: | There are PILES of things that could cause it |
| [01:22:48] | Dagmar: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause |
| [01:28:32] | Dagmar: | ...although if they play back choppily under MPlayer I'd say the problem is either your machine isn't fast enough, or that the file is broken |
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| [01:36:28] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, installed Fedora12 on my mythfrontend machine, and that seems to have solved the mythvideo scan wiping out metadata problem. No idea what was wacked on the Fedora9 installation. |
| [01:36:42] | forrestv: | i've been having this problem for a while – seeking in a recorded show goes right to the start, no matter what |
| [01:36:50] | forrestv: | anyone know how to fix that? |
| [01:36:50] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Very weird-- I'm glad you got it figured out, though |
| [01:37:14] | iamlindoro: | forrestv, broken seektable or crashed/corrupted db tables |
| [01:37:50] | jpabq: | forrestv, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable |
| [01:39:46] | forrestv: | hmm, that's definitely it |
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| [02:14:05] | lwizardl: | ok this rng110 box is going back to comcast in the morning |
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| [02:15:18] | lwizardl: | what hd dvr/pvr box from comcast is working with mythtv ? |
| [02:16:58] | iamlindoro: | Why would it matter? You can make any of them work with myth |
| [02:17:14] | iamlindoro: | you capture the analog outputs, just like with any set top box |
| [02:22:08] | lwizardl: | yeah but don't you lose quality doing that |
| [02:22:28] | iamlindoro: | Some, sure... but what were you hoping to have happen? |
| [02:22:39] | iamlindoro: | It's hardly a dealbreaker |
| [02:22:40] | lwizardl: | i'm wanting to stay with a box that I can use the firewire 1394 connection |
| [02:22:51] | iamlindoro: | The particular box has nothing to do with it |
| [02:23:00] | iamlindoro: | the behavior of firewire is set at the headend, not by the box |
| [02:23:17] | iamlindoro: | and on 90% of cases, you won't get much of anything from firewire |
| [02:24:48] | lwizardl: | ok because the box that i have right now is going back because i can not get it to change channels using any ir blasters |
| [02:25:21] | lwizardl: | either my mythtv setup or my replaytv so its worthless to keep this one unless I want to manually change the channels all the time |
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| [02:37:41] | tzanger: | yeah my experience with HD receivers on Rogers in the Waterloo region sucks |
| [02:37:52] | tzanger: | fuck 'em, I am pulling full HD OTA whcih is better than they could ever provide |
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| [02:45:44] | skd5aner: | Trying to run jamu for the first time, and I'm getting an error, but I don't see it referenced in the wiki |
| [02:46:41] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: Pastebin link the output |
| [02:46:42] | skd5aner: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1680406 |
| [02:46:51] | wagnerrp: | tzanger: watch the language |
| [02:47:05] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: looking now |
| [02:47:25] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux_: ty :) |
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| [02:48:37] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: What was the command line and options that you used? |
| [02:49:17] | skd5aner: | I was basically following the wiki trying to get it setup properly, here's the first command line I ran: |
| [02:49:33] | skd5aner: | ./jamu.py -Mf | less |
| [02:50:21] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: Try ./jamu.py -v |
| [02:50:38] | skd5aner: | k |
| [02:50:53] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: I want to see what version you are using |
| [02:51:05] | skd5aner: | Title: (JAMU – Just.Another.Metadata.Utility); Version: (v0.5.9); Author: (R.D.Vaughan) |
| [02:51:45] | skd5aner: | I'm running a recent (~1–2 day old version) of .22-fixes |
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| [02:52:27] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: Odd that command is working for me and I can confirm that you do have the latest Jamu release installed. |
| [02:53:03] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: Give me a few minutes I wan to look at that bug and the code a bit more. Be back in a bit. |
| [02:53:22] | skd5aner: | np |
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| [02:54:35] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: In the mean time try "./jamu -f" Leave out the "M". |
| [02:54:48] | skd5aner: | k |
| [02:55:09] | skd5aner: | dumb question, what does the "M" do? I didn't see on the wiki a good description of the flags |
| [02:56:14] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux_: it spit out a bunch of stuff, want me to pastebin? |
| [02:56:56] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: No do not pastebin anything. |
| [02:58:13] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: Ok you found a bug when jamu was trying to issue an error message. The message was trying to tell you that One of your FE image directory paths does not exist. |
| [02:59:07] | skd5aner: | OK... another quick question, not to take a down a different path, but when I ran with just -f it said "config_file (jamu-example.conf)" on one line |
| [02:59:09] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: Check your FE directory paths for a spelling mistake. Are you running a separate FE and BE or a combined FE/BE. |
| [02:59:38] | skd5aner: | shouldn't it be using the ~/.mythtv/jamu.conf I created? |
| [03:00:27] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: The -M tells jamu to get your video and image directories form the MythTV data base. It will not try to get the directory from the jamu.conf file. |
| [03:00:31] | skd5aner: | Yeah – so, I bet I know why – I made an assumption that the directory would be created because Myth created the fanart directory when I manually ran it from within myth |
| [03:00:38] | skd5aner: | I'm running it on a fe/sbe |
| [03:02:50] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: Assuming that you are running jamu on the sbe then that sbe is the host which directory settings are using. |
| [03:03:16] | skd5aner: | Yes – I'm using local storage as well, not storage groups (got lots of ISOs still) |
| [03:04:00] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: Then using the FE on the sbe fix image directories and that abort will not come into play. |
| [03:04:27] | skd5aner: | regarding the config file question above – does the output state that it's using the example.conf in the same directory rather than the jamu.conf that I placed in the location specified in the wiki |
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| [03:05:07] | skd5aner: | I just manually created the directories – let's see if the abort happens |
| [03:05:32] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: By default Jamu looks for the "~/.mythtv/jamu.conf" file. |
| [03:05:53] | skd5aner: | k – just wasn't sure why the output said "jamu-example.conf" |
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| [03:07:16] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: I suspect that you never changed the name of the file inside the jamu.conf file what you copied it from jamu-example.conf |
| [03:07:25] | EvilBob: | I recently updated my MythTV systems, Based on Fedora, version 0.22? How do I change to the highlighted channel in the guide? Also how can I delete recordings in mythfrontend? |
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| [03:08:18] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: Inside your jamu.conf see "[File jamu-maintenance.conf]". That is what you are seeing. |
| [03:08:46] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux_: ok, I just checked and the file was renamed, let me check inside |
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| [03:09:07] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: Yours still says "[File jamu-example.conf]" |
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| [03:09:50] | skd5aner: | yup – just changed it |
| [03:10:20] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: That does not really make any difference to jamu processing. I use multiple config files so I like them named for their purpose. |
| [03:10:44] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: Well does ./jamu -Mf work now? |
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| [03:11:01] | skd5aner: | it sure does :) |
| [03:11:16] | skd5aner: | I manually created the directories that were specified in the FE config |
| [03:11:27] | RDV_Linux_: | good have fun and thanks for finding the bug ;) |
| [03:11:32] | skd5aner: | again – I think I was under the assumption that it would create what it needed :) |
| [03:11:55] | skd5aner: | ty for the help (and for writing JAMU) – I LOVE it when I can find (and report) a bug |
| [03:12:13] | skd5aner: | I'm not a programmer – so it's the closest I can get to contributing :) |
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| [03:12:20] | RDV_Linux_: | I like it when it is so easy to fix. |
| [03:12:28] | skd5aner: | win win |
| [03:13:21] | skd5aner: | I added the 99999999 to a bunch of videos, but honestly it would have been easier if I could exclude directories |
| [03:13:26] | skd5aner: | is that possible? |
| [03:14:07] | skd5aner: | I used a SQL statement to do it, because it was like 700+ videos - |
| [03:14:51] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: No easy way to exclude directories at this time. |
| [03:15:10] | skd5aner: | np: feature request without a patch ;) |
| [03:15:30] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: Well phrased ;) |
| [03:15:41] | skd5aner: | I have a "home movies" dir and "music videos", "clips", etc |
| [03:15:51] | skd5aner: | I know they'll never be any meta data for those kind of categories |
| [03:16:30] | skd5aner: | anyway – let's see how the rest of this maiden voyage of JAMU works for me |
| [03:16:44] | skd5aner: | I deleted all my old IMDB based metadata and I'm starting from scratch :) |
| [03:17:43] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: When writing jamu I could not imagine all the different ways people set up their systems or organize their collections. I am constantly surprised by their various needs. |
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| [03:19:27] | skd5aner: | I can only imagine – every user has a way they think is "right" – for users, sometimes the problem is that the developer(s) think their way is more right (or the only right answer) |
| [03:20:02] | skd5aner: | Can't please everyone – thanks for the flexibility and constent updates |
| [03:20:36] | RDV_Linux_: | np |
| [03:21:59] | skd5aner: | ./jamu.py -MIV -that's where I should start right? |
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| [03:31:30] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: Yes and follow the wiki |
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| [03:45:12] | sphery: | Heh, Supernatural just explained the whole bailout thing. |
| [03:48:31] | Cardoe: | RDV_Linux_: so do you have any suggested configuration tweaks or setup that distro people could do for JAMU? |
| [03:50:35] | wagnerrp: | bailout thing? |
| [03:50:58] | RDV_Linux_: | Cardoe: Wow that can be a big subject depending on the distro. I have work the most with Mythbuntu so far. First thing that comes to mond is having the jamu dependencies installed. |
| [03:51:19] | Cardoe: | that's just Python 2.5 and IMDBpy no? |
| [03:53:07] | RDV_Linux_: | Cardoe: The second is to automatically copy the jamu-example.conf as "~/.mythtv/jamu.conf". Those are the dependency plus a xml library.t it |
| [03:53:29] | Cardoe: | which xml lib? |
| [03:53:47] | RDV_Linux_: | Cardoe: Are you looking to automatically set up jamu corn jobs like Mythbuntu did? |
| [03:53:58] | Cardoe: | potentially |
| [03:53:58] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux_: If I am going through jamu in interactive mode, can I skip an entry by using "q"? |
| [03:54:13] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: yes |
| [03:54:24] | Cardoe: | RDV_Linux_: assuming there can be no negative side effects for out of the box cronjobs |
| [03:54:34] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: It will mean that the video will lack a reference number |
| [03:54:42] | skd5aner: | thanks – the ? didn't really make that clear. Q = quit didn't necessarily mean "skip" |
| [03:55:01] | skd5aner: | If I run it again, will it try that video again? |
| [03:56:23] | RDV_Linux_: | Cardoe: I think that we should discuss this in a PM, but this is the end of the evening. Will will be around most of the day tomorrow (9am – 9pm EST) is that ok. |
| [03:56:42] | Cardoe: | RDV_Linux_: whenever you see me around feel free |
| [03:56:53] | Cardoe: | I'll msg you when I'm around as well |
| [03:57:00] | skd5aner: | How does jamu differentiate between a movie and TV show? I've exported some shows and it keeps thinking they're movies |
| [03:57:15] | skd5aner: | "Barbecue University With Steven Raichlen" |
| [03:57:28] | iamlindoro: | just like mythvideo does, with proper file formatting |
| [03:57:42] | iamlindoro: | if you want it to know it's TV, you need common season and episode values in the filename |
| [03:57:44] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: If you just run -MI the next time it will just focus on the videos with missing reference numbers. |
| [03:58:07] | RDV_Linux_: | Cardoe: ok |
| [03:58:12] | iamlindoro: | ie "barbecue blah blah s01e01.mpg" |
| [03:58:18] | Cardoe: | RDV_Linux_: its Gentoo incase you're curious |
| [03:58:22] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I see, I'm using the format that nuvexport made, so I would need to manually rename/restructure the filename/directory structure? |
| [03:58:30] | iamlindoro: | yup |
| [03:58:39] | skd5aner: | OK – I see |
| [03:59:01] | RDV_Linux_: | Cardoe: I was wondering as the CentOS folks cannot really use Jamu without a number of upgrades. |
| [03:59:17] | skd5aner: | I did read about the mythtv video naming parsing, I figured that just made it easier. But if it doesn't follow that format, it'll always assume a movie instead of TV, correct? |
| [03:59:22] | Cardoe: | RDV_Linux_: IMDBpy 4.3 work ok? |
| [03:59:43] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, If Myth can't parse a season and episode out of the file, it will always be considered a movie |
| [03:59:48] | iamlindoro: | likewise with jamu |
| [03:59:48] | Cardoe: | You give me the go and that's going to hit as our unstable version |
| [03:59:57] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, What would either of them parse to figure out it was TV otherwise? |
| [03:59:57] | RDV_Linux_: | Caliban: My brain is not working we can get into details tomorrow ;) |
| [04:00:00] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: thank you |
| [04:00:05] | Cardoe: | RDV_Linux_: sounds good |
| [04:00:50] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I guess I made the (false) assumption that some for of intelligence during lookup that would state "this is more likely to be a movie or TV" based on what was returned |
| [04:01:06] | skd5aner: | for=form |
| [04:01:32] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner, that's just impossible... or at least if one tried, the results would be exceedingly poor |
| [04:01:52] | skd5aner: | Maybe we can convience Xris to update nuvexport to export shows in the new parsable formats (that is, if nuvexport ever gets to a fully functional/maintable state again) |
| [04:01:58] | iamlindoro: | ie trying to figure out what *might* be a subtitle, which means it *might* be TV... or just a star wars movie... |
| [04:02:08] | iamlindoro: | nuvexport working great for me |
| [04:02:38] | iamlindoro: | and wagnerrp already has a script that does tvdb/tmdb lookups on the way out of watch recordings and puts them in MythVideo |
| [04:02:46] | skd5aner: | hmmm – I haven't tried it in about a year, but it didn't work for me since about 2006/2007 (relably) and didn't see a lot of commits going towards it |
| [04:02:47] | iamlindoro: | in a properly parseable format |
| [04:02:52] | iamlindoro: | just doesn't do any transcoding |
| [04:03:21] | pedro: | my backend just aborted and my wife isn't happy because it didn't record Medium. There were 14 mythbackend --generate-preview 0x0 processes running. I've had this problem repeatedly since upgrading to .22-fixes. can anyone help me figure out why I am having this issue? |
| [04:03:24] | skd5aner: | yea – I saw the export ticket – I think I asked at the time if it transcoded and the answer was that it was basically a raw export |
| [04:04:11] | skd5aner: | do you use nuvexport frequently now? |
| [04:04:32] | iamlindoro: | Not all thatfrequently |
| [04:04:44] | iamlindoro: | but have an nuvexport job running right now, working fine |
| [04:05:13] | skd5aner: | hmmm, I'll have to try it again then – I really just gave up after so many years of it not really working properly |
| [04:05:40] | skd5aner: | I'm curious, how do you run it and what format do you frequently transcode to? |
| [04:05:46] | iamlindoro: | It's *always* worked, but it's always been the case that it needs to be matched against the ffmpeg of the moment it was last touched |
| [04:06:05] | iamlindoro: | Like I said, I don't run it frequently, and when I do it's to H264 in MP4 |
| [04:06:05] | skd5aner: | yea, I know that ffmpeg has a bad habit of changing their flags without much of a warning |
| [04:06:07] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: not 'basically', it *is* a raw export, direct copy from one to the other |
| [04:06:20] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, I know :) |
| [04:06:47] | truxartis: | Cardoe: what are you using to install IMDbPy in gentoo ? sources ? |
| [04:07:28] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I think it's a great feature, I just prefer to transcode if possible and I don't use the built in transcode jobs on recordings |
| [04:07:49] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [04:08:22] | iamlindoro: | so transcode with ffmpeg and export with the script |
| [04:08:24] | iamlindoro: | easy peasy |
| [04:08:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i dont really want to bother transcoding stuff until i can find something which will do ivtc in an automated manner from the command line |
| [04:08:54] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: when you export your recordings to "videos" what's your preferred method? |
| [04:09:19] | iamlindoro: | cut commercials, copy, done |
| [04:10:03] | Cardoe: | truxartis: I'm adding an ebuild. why? |
| [04:11:03] | truxartis: | Cardoe: I didn't see any ebuilds in portage, so I was wondering what people were using to get jamu going in gentoo |
| [04:11:26] | Cardoe: | truxartis: well I'm working on making it happen right now |
| [04:11:30] | Cardoe: | so any feedback is appreciated |
| [04:11:32] | skd5aner: | so, when you edit the recording and put in the cuts, do you do any kind of lossless transcoding to permanently take out the cuts? |
| [04:12:04] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: mythtranscode will do that for mpeg2s |
| [04:12:33] | iamlindoro: | ^^^ yes, that |
| [04:12:36] | truxartis: | Cardoe: Thats awesome, hope I didn't distract |
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| [04:12:39] | skd5aner: | thanks guys |
| [04:12:55] | wagnerrp: | so digital captures and mpeg encoders are lossless |
| [04:13:06] | wagnerrp: | HDPVR stuff... no automated solution as of yet |
| [04:13:23] | skd5aner: | yea, I've got all 3 |
| [04:13:48] | Cardoe: | truxartis: nah I'm actually glad when there's people interested |
| [04:14:18] | wagnerrp: | us gentoo users do still exist |
| [04:14:24] | josh_: | I'm pondering if there's a way I could set up my laptop as a slave backend, and throw my "portable" stuff on it's filesystem, that way it's still available when I leave the house/network. |
| [04:14:51] | josh_: | I've never had a backend set up as slave, I'm not sure if a slave is even capable of running on it's own. |
| [04:15:09] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: well feel free to give feedback on the ebuilds |
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| [04:20:20] | clever: | josh_: the slave must always be connected to the master when running |
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| [04:20:32] | josh_: | clever, ahh. |
| [04:20:33] | clever: | josh_: ive done that (and mysql) over vpn (thru the whole internet) before |
| [04:20:44] | clever: | while it does work, the lag sucks alot |
| [04:21:13] | Cardoe: | hey kormoc |
| [04:21:25] | josh_: | clever, but that requires internet. I was hoping for something that could be disconnected and run as a "local master BE" when the actual master couldnt be found. |
| [04:21:43] | clever: | josh_: id use mythrename in symlink mode, so you have readable filenames on the local disk |
| [04:21:44] | kormoc: | Mornin' Mr. Cardoe |
| [04:21:55] | clever: | then play those in a normal player |
| [04:21:59] | Cardoe: | josh_: you're talking high availability |
| [04:22:26] | skd5aner: | OK – I'm running /jamu.py -MIV, and based on the wiki article, it sounds like it should just be populating the IMDB information |
| [04:22:30] | clever: | ive thought of how this would work before, for a myth box in the van |
| [04:22:43] | clever: | when you park it at home, sync via wifi |
| [04:23:26] | skd5aner: | but I see it says it's downloading poster art, fan art, and metadata... is that what's supposed to occur? |
| [04:24:16] | wagnerrp: | you dont want it downloading that stuff? |
| [04:25:07] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I guess i'm just a little confused, since the article says to run in interactive mode for a few, test it out in simulation mode, then complete interactive mode – then do the mass update |
| [04:26:38] | wagnerrp: | the interactive session will question you about movies that have multiple responses and no existing metadata id |
| [04:26:57] | wagnerrp: | the verbose has it spit out ever image download it does to the terminal |
| [04:28:06] | wagnerrp: | and you very likely want to be running jamu with a config file |
| [04:28:20] | skd5aner: | So – if I continue to do as the wiki article says, running until completion in interactive mode, then what does the "mass update" mode do? |
| [04:28:38] | skd5aner: | I am running with a config file per the wiki instructions |
| [04:28:46] | skd5aner: | ~/.mythtv/jamu.conf |
| [04:28:52] | wagnerrp: | 'mass update' is just '-M' |
| [04:29:04] | wagnerrp: | meaning, do a full update of anything that is missing |
| [04:29:39] | wagnerrp: | interactive only has to be done once, to take care of any videos jamu cannot immediately recognize |
| [04:29:39] | skd5aner: | OK – I guess I just don't understand the flow of the wiki article, the interactive mode that they say to complete will actually do "everything" |
| [04:30:49] | wagnerrp: | lets say jamu runs over a file, 'Star Wars' |
| [04:30:59] | wagnerrp: | it will return with at least six, maybe more possible matches |
| [04:31:05] | wagnerrp: | in interactive mode, it will ask you which one |
| [04:31:12] | wagnerrp: | in non-interactive mode, it will just leave it blank |
| [04:31:29] | wagnerrp: | so interactive mode lets you do everything in one sweep |
| [04:31:46] | wagnerrp: | and then normal operation picks up new content as it is scanned into mythtv |
| [04:32:14] | wagnerrp: | then you just need to go back occasionally and fill in whatever was missed because jamu will not make a decision without user input |
| [04:33:16] | wagnerrp: | so run '-MI' for the first manual fill, and then run '-MW' for periodic updates |
| [04:33:37] | skd5aner: | k – I was just going to ask what you just stated... |
| [04:34:07] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux_: feel free to pipe up if i got something wrong there |
| [04:34:22] | skd5aner: | So, in reality, you've got to do -MI completely for the first run, and then you would run non-interactive mode for maintenance on all your existing videos |
| [04:34:51] | wagnerrp: | in reality -M will be sufficient for most stuff |
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| [04:35:00] | wagnerrp: | -I is just needed for things like that star wars example |
| [04:35:04] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: in all honesty, I think it's just the flow of the wiki artcle that's confusing |
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| [04:35:36] | skd5aner: | I understand that when there's conflicts, that the interactive mode is the only way it'll get the data because you thave to tell it what is correct (unless you manually enter an IMDB/TMDB#) |
| [04:35:56] | wagnerrp: | as a cron job, you just run -M to continue getting the most of the new stuff that the title matches up 1:1 |
| [04:36:07] | skd5aner: | I guess my question is, why not run '-M' first, then come back with '-MI' second to fill in the gaps? |
| [04:36:08] | RDV_Linux_: | wagnerrp: I am suppose to be sleeping ;) Jamu does have an option to guess at your videos and add them to MythVideo without interaction. Use -MG option. Other than that you where right on. |
| [04:36:11] | wagnerrp: | and then its simple enough to just patch up whatever you need to in the GUI |
| [04:36:44] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux_: sorry for coming off bone headed, usually I'm not, I probably need sleep too :) |
| [04:36:49] | wagnerrp: | does -I prompt you as soon as it gets to a conflict? or does it stack them all up and wait until the end? |
| [04:36:56] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: -M will skip any video that does not have a reference number from TMDB or TVDB |
| [04:37:48] | skd5aner: | Wiki says 1) Run a few through "-MI" to get the IMDB # populated, 2) Stop and run in simulation mode, 3) Complete "-MI" 4) Run "-M" |
| [04:37:52] | wagnerrp: | so then whats the point of running it in that manner? just to pick up any new images that may have been empty on the last run? |
| [04:37:53] | RDV_Linux_: | wagnerrp: -I limits Jamu to only videos from your collection that do NOT have reference numbers |
| [04:38:10] | skd5aner: | guess I was getting confused as to what running "-M" after running through all the videos with "-MI" buys you? |
| [04:38:38] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux_: I think your last statement might have answered that question |
| [04:39:20] | skd5aner: | Since I have 0 videos with a reference number, MI is really the only option |
| [04:39:22] | RDV_Linux_: | wagnerrp: -M (maintenance) looks for missing metadata that may now be available |
| [04:40:14] | wagnerrp: | ok, so just to fill in stuff as it gets added by other users |
| [04:40:20] | skd5aner: | -M will not do ANYTHING for me, (until I run through all of them with -MI first) but it would if I wouldn't have cleared out the old reference numbers |
| [04:41:14] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: Often with new shows there is no banner but a series poster. later there is season and banners images. A -M run picks up that new data when it is available. |
| [04:42:29] | skd5aner: | yup – I get it now – your clarification on what -M and what -MI do differently (beyond simply being interactive mode) really helped |
| [04:42:33] | RDV_Linux_: | skd5aner: After you get all the reference numbers with -MI set you a once a week -M cron job. |
| [04:43:31] | skd5aner: | 10–4 |
| [04:43:42] | RDV_Linux_: | Now really going to sleep. bye |
| [04:43:52] | skd5aner: | K – well, I think I'm getting a little too tired to go through all the movies tonight |
| [04:44:04] | skd5aner: | thanks RDV_Linux_ and wagnerrp |
| [04:44:07] | wagnerrp: | hahahahaha |
| [04:44:23] | wagnerrp: | that was some very subtle advertising in White Collar |
| [04:44:35] | skd5aner: | ? |
| [04:44:44] | wagnerrp: | two guys arguing in a car |
| [04:44:51] | wagnerrp: | traffic stops in front of them |
| [04:45:01] | wagnerrp: | collision warning goes off, they hit the brakes |
| [04:45:08] | wagnerrp: | 'you want to watch the road?' |
| [04:45:21] | wagnerrp: | 'nah, this is a taurus, it can take care of itself' |
| [04:46:00] | skd5aner: | ha |
| [04:46:12] | skd5aner: | stupid taurus |
| [04:46:29] | skd5aner: | product placement is getting fairly rampant anymore |
| [04:46:36] | wagnerrp: | i can tell if hes braking, or if the car is doing it for him |
| [04:46:59] | wagnerrp: | that kind of placement, i can appreciate |
| [04:47:18] | wagnerrp: | its subtle, it doesnt get in the way, you dont even notice it if youre not paying attention |
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| [04:47:35] | wagnerrp: | but you might think, hey, thats a cool feature, i should look into that |
| [04:47:54] | wagnerrp: | .... now Heroes, with the Versa, and that god awful Cube |
| [04:47:58] | wagnerrp: | thats bad placement |
| [04:47:59] | skd5aner: | lol |
| [04:48:03] | skd5aner: | "VERSA!" |
| [04:48:32] | skd5aner: | yea – we get it, you rented a Versa Hero |
| [04:48:59] | skd5aner: | alright – good night, thanks again for the clarification |
| [04:51:13] | Dagmar: | "Yes sirree folks, this phone right here provided by Sprint brought us a pretty girl of our very own to the big top!" |
| [04:51:46] | Dagmar: | It's only a matter of time before a f**king cell phone is the star of some movie |
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| [04:53:47] | EvilBob: | I recently updated my MythTV systems, Based on Fedora, version 0.22? How do I change to the highlighted channel in the guide? Also how can I delete recordings in mythfrontend? |
| [04:54:37] | iamlindoro: | Were all these people confused about deleting seriously going all the way to the delete recordings screen to do it? |
| [04:54:56] | iamlindoro: | EvilBob, In "Watch Recordings," press I with an item selected |
| [04:55:05] | iamlindoro: | scroll to the end of the list, select delete |
| [04:55:36] | EvilBob: | iamlindoro: I actually used the "delete recordings" list a lot |
| [04:55:39] | iamlindoro: | (FWIW Delete has always been in the context menu on that screen) |
| [04:55:58] | iamlindoro: | Well there's nothing that screen did that watch recordings doesn't do, so it was taken out |
| [04:56:32] | iamlindoro: | just seems the delete screen is a very inconvenient way to do it, given you coudl always delete straight from the list |
| [04:57:21] | EvilBob: | iamlindoro: fair enough, I am sure 99% of my frustration this past week can be answered and resolved if I can just find key maps and docs. |
| [04:57:46] | EvilBob: | iamlindoro: what about the change channel in the guide? |
| [04:58:32] | iamlindoro: | EvilBob, in the OSD settings, "select changes channel in guide" |
| [04:58:59] | EvilBob: | iamlindoro: OK, that has been frustrating my 4 year old a lot |
| [04:59:07] | EvilBob: | damn kids |
| [04:59:14] | EvilBob: | thanks for your time |
| [04:59:24] | iamlindoro: | dan't live with 'em, can't send them into a lake in your car and claim they were kidnapped |
| [04:59:30] | iamlindoro: | np ;) |
| [04:59:37] | Dagmar: | Who says |
| [05:01:49] | pedro: | does anyone have any idea why my backends would have --generate-preview processes that don't complete? I never see a show that doesn't have a preview in the frontend either. |
| [05:03:13] | pedro: | I think it is causing my backend to abort and my slave backend to disconnect |
| [05:04:03] | Cardoe: | now if I could only figure out why VDPAU fails to initialize sometimes (ticket #7493) the WAF would improve greatly |
| [05:04:35] | EvilBob: | iamlindoro: the change channel in guide is not exactly what I was looking for, in the past version I would "m" from livetv, find a program and "m" again to tune to it. I use the "Select" for scheduling recordings normally in the past. |
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| [05:08:32] | jpabq: | sphery, he didn't mention the load on his machine, but in my experience, when the preview-generator processes run away, they drive the load so high, that mythbackend (proper) can no longer function properly. |
| [05:09:33] | EvilBob: | iamlindoro: OK, I sorted it out, thanks again. Good thing the boy is trainable. ;^) |
| [05:11:44] | EvilBob: | Hopefully he can remind me of the changes, I am not as trainable. |
| [05:12:11] | sphery: | jpabq: yeah, that would make sense--especially if it's HD-PVR recordings |
| [05:12:54] | sphery: | though the mpeg2 errors in the backend log seem to imply it's not |
| [05:13:12] | sphery: | but maybe "properly corrupted" mpeg-2 can cause the preview gen to spin |
| [05:13:53] | Cardoe: | iamlindoro: the OSD settings... I can't find that... |
| [05:14:19] | sphery: | Cardoe: it's been removed |
| [05:14:34] | sphery: | if you have an early version of 0.22-fixes, it's there and must be enabled to change channels in EPG |
| [05:14:50] | sphery: | if you have a current version of -fixes (or trunk), it's all set up for you |
| [05:15:37] | sphery: | EvilBob: in current 0.22-fixes, it's been fixed so that the buttons do what they should and keys.txt was updated |
| [05:15:41] | sphery: | I recommend upgrading |
| [05:16:11] | Cardoe: | sphery: so what's the default now? |
| [05:16:30] | EvilBob: | sphery: been trying to stick with j-rod's packages, I will file a bug for him |
| [05:16:53] | sphery: | select changes channel if in LiveTV and the show is airing or the starttime is within 15 minutes |
| [05:17:10] | sphery: | info brings up the schedule editor |
| [05:17:39] | sphery: | select brings up the "fix conflicts and overrides" screen if on a show that matches a recording rule or does the same as info otherwise |
| [05:18:15] | sphery: | all functionality--including change channel, edit schedule, fix conflicts/overrides--is available through the menu when it should be |
| [05:18:21] | Cardoe: | cool |
| [05:18:40] | Cardoe: | now wanna figure out why my Samsung TV horribly overscans the settings menus? |
| [05:18:44] | Cardoe: | :-D |
| [05:18:50] | sphery: | oh, and most importantly, menu brings up the, er, menu |
| [05:18:53] | sphery: | (imagine that :) |
| [05:19:19] | Dagmar: | Cardoe: Because no maniacs have busted into the Samsung offices and made a big stink about a panel doing overscan that it doesn't need to |
| [05:19:21] | sphery: | settings screens aren't really designed for screens with overscan |
| [05:19:41] | sphery: | so you may have to use a smaller -geometry or a "real monitor" |
| [05:19:52] | Dagmar: | Just one fat guy, reeking of alcohol, armed with a Louisville Slugger ought to do it |
| [05:19:52] | Cardoe: | Dagmar: so you see it too on Samsung screens? |
| [05:20:12] | Dagmar: | Cardoe: No, because a) I don't have one and b) I checked thigns out before I bought my TV |
| [05:20:33] | Dagmar: | I was NOT going to spend the money on a 16:9 35" LCD panel and have it freaking overscan |
| [05:20:42] | Dagmar: | I use VGA. |
| [05:21:24] | Dagmar: | Seriously, there's absolutely no good reason for a 16:9/16:10 display to do overscan. |
| [05:21:36] | Dagmar: | Not with any 16:9/16:10 source media. |
| [05:23:20] | clever: | if the screen has 1080 pixels and the video is 1080, then just display the damn thing 1:1 |
| [05:23:24] | Cardoe: | so I guess all Samsung's do it then |
| [05:25:25] | Dagmar: | That's what they _should_ be doing. |
| [05:25:31] | Dagmar: | I'd call them up and report it as a defect |
| [05:26:08] | sphery: | of course, some of them do exactly that and it results in overscan |
| [05:26:20] | Dagmar: | huh? |
| [05:26:32] | sphery: | on some monitors, there are pixels behind the bezel |
| [05:26:40] | Dagmar: | Is someone shipping out video with 1124 scan lines or something? |
| [05:26:48] | Dagmar: | That's crazy |
| [05:26:59] | wagnerrp: | 'dual XGA' |
| [05:27:06] | sphery: | yeah, not common, anymore, but there are some |
| [05:27:18] | clever: | ive only seen that with CRT displays |
| [05:27:23] | Dagmar: | Pixels cost money damnit |
| [05:27:51] | sphery: | yeah, but it's you paying that money, so why should the manufacturer care :) |
| [05:28:11] | Dagmar: | ...becaause my relatives might buy one by accident and I *will* call to complain |
| [05:28:13] | sphery: | they still call it a 1920x1080 or 1280x720 TV |
| [05:28:49] | sphery: | or, more likely, call it "HDTV, supporting 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 720i, 480p, 480i" |
| [05:29:12] | sphery: | oops, minus 720i |
| [05:29:24] | Dagmar: | Crazy |
| [05:29:49] | Dagmar: | ...and to think they thought it odd when I bought my laptop into Best Buy to connect to displays to test before I bought one. |
| [05:30:05] | Dagmar: | I did find one of the four doing overscan |
| [05:30:12] | clever: | ive done that at a used tech store, but they didnt think it was odd |
| [05:30:23] | Dagmar: | Luckily none of the blueshirts were stupid enough to say "Oh but ther'es nothing wrong with that" |
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| [07:39:58] | lightpriest: | i'm getting a segmentation fault at the very end of every mythfilldatabase run, right after "DataDirect: Deleting temporary files" |
| [07:41:08] | lightpriest: | i've tried fixing tables as suggested on some forum thread (though i don't think it's related), and the last thing similar to this (from the mailing lists) is from 2007 |
| [07:41:17] | Dagmar: | Just report it as a bug |
| [07:41:42] | Dagmar: | If the tables are all passing sanity checks and the data is being updated, at least it's not a seriosu defect. |
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| [07:49:18] | GTswagger: | I have successfully converted database to latin1 ... but it seems MythTV is unable to save *ANY* setting what-so-ever. Mythbackend overflowing with these errors: http://pastebin.org/55715 |
| [07:50:03] | GTswagger: | Though most of them are from mythvideo related stuff... I uninstalled that plugin since Arch only has 0.21 in repos. But the backend still bitterly complains about every file that was in mythvideo previously. |
| [07:50:35] | Dagmar: | Right. |
| [07:50:43] | Dagmar: | That'll be the last time I ever pull up pastebin.org. |
| [07:50:55] | Dagmar: | popups with audio are not welcome here. |
| [07:51:15] | ** GTswagger is running adblock and was unaware of such ** | |
| [07:51:29] | Dagmar: | I don't run it because I want to know when people do such onerous things. |
| [07:51:39] | Dagmar: | Looks like you're not the only person with this error |
| [07:51:44] | Dagmar: | Digging further... |
| [07:51:56] | Dagmar: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 82?page=last |
| [07:52:03] | Dagmar: | They're saying it's a distro/packaging bug. |
| [07:52:23] | Dagmar: | Any of the details in that look familiar? |
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| [07:52:48] | GTswagger: | yes |
| [07:53:05] | GTswagger: | I updated to a new release of mysql (just a few hrs old) which Arch claims fixes mysql on their end. |
| [07:53:08] | GTswagger: | ..... evidently not |
| [07:53:38] | ** GTswagger is incredibly pissed at the lack of even a tiny microscopic nodule of quality control in Arch Linux lately ... so I'll just leave it at that ** | |
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| [07:54:22] | Dagmar: | Could be worse |
| [07:54:34] | Dagmar: | The Win32 build of MySQL has a strict mode enabled by default that also borks things up |
| [07:54:55] | Dagmar: | It can be easily disabled, but you have to know the cause before you'll ever find it |
| [07:55:54] | Dagmar: | GTswagger: You might consider taking the approach that your mythtv box is now "production" |
| [07:56:05] | Dagmar: | Meaning you don't upgrade things just because newer ones are available |
| [07:56:27] | GTswagger: | Dagmar: Mehhh I dunno. About 10 days ago simply updating bricked 2 of 3 of my machines (Xorg 1.7 ultra fail) ... and now mysql and mythtv are in flaming ruin |
| [07:56:30] | Dagmar: | You only change things when you have encountered a specific bug, excepting cases of "complete rebuild" |
| [07:56:45] | GTswagger: | Well I'm sorta between a rock and a hard place |
| [07:56:48] | Dagmar: | It reduces the number of little suprises like this that you'll hit |
| [07:57:03] | GTswagger: | Arch offers the best combination of things I want .. and previously I was hard up enough to use Gentoo to get what I wanted. |
| [07:57:19] | Dagmar: | If this is a dedicated Myth box you could always just switch to MythBuntu |
| [07:57:29] | GTswagger: | The problem is Arch doesn't do highly granular dependencies |
| [07:57:35] | GTswagger: | they only support upgrading EVERYTHING |
| [07:57:36] | GTswagger: | period |
| [07:57:37] | Dagmar: | I use Slackware. |
| [07:57:53] | GTswagger: | Never tried it ... but no package manager makes me frown. |
| [07:57:53] | Dagmar: | We're just expected to know what we're doing. ;) |
| [07:58:04] | Dagmar: | Slackware tracks exactly zero dependencies. |
| [07:58:19] | Dagmar: | I somewhat agree with Pat about that, too. |
| [07:58:35] | GTswagger: | If Arch would just pump the damn brakes on shoveling upstream into repos it'd be great |
| [07:58:41] | Dagmar: | I've yet to see a package manager some jackass won't pass --override or --force to at the drop of a hat. |
| [07:58:52] | GTswagger: | Xorg 1.7? Brick all GUI for all nVidia users? We don't care! *push to repo* |
| [07:59:13] | GTswagger: | MythTV 0.22? Complicated upgrade? No plugins made yet? We don't care! *push to repo w/o explanation* |
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| [07:59:17] | GTswagger: | etc |
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| [07:59:58] | GTswagger: | I just want the OS to get out of the way and let me enjoy my computter ... not fight with it. |
| [08:00:04] | GTswagger: | I promise I'm not a Mac user. lol |
| [08:00:20] | Dagmar: | Didn't the Xorg guys switch to using odd numbered minors as "devel"? |
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| [08:00:52] | Dagmar: | Either way, X is one of those things I simply _don't_ do big upgrades on unless it's needed for a bugfix |
| [08:00:59] | Dagmar: | Too much stuff breaks unless you recompile yer everything |
| [08:01:13] | GTswagger: | There's no choice in the rolling release without good dependencies that is Arch |
| [08:01:23] | GTswagger: | everything else will be built upon the new X |
| [08:01:30] | GTswagger: | you'll be frozen in time before long |
| [08:01:43] | Dagmar: | Well, like I hinted at earlier, you could always declare your own little freeze and simply *not* upgrade things |
| [08:02:03] | Dagmar: | Honestly this is how professional production systems work. |
| [08:02:08] | GTswagger: | Security break creep. |
| [08:02:15] | Dagmar: | Nothing is ever changed on a "production" system. |
| [08:02:16] | lightpriest: | i'm using ubuntu and i had no trouble with upgrading from 21 to 22 |
| [08:02:35] | Dagmar: | All changes happen on a "devel" system, and when it's stable and all the deliverables are accounted for, it's imaged over the top of the old "production" system. |
| [08:02:52] | GTswagger: | That's why I used Gentoo for the LONGEST time ... I could reach out and get whatever that new cool app was I wanted to try |
| [08:02:57] | GTswagger: | and leave everything else along |
| [08:03:04] | GTswagger: | and even have slotted versions for when upstream effed up |
| [08:03:05] | Dagmar: | lightpriest: That would probably be because they follow Debian a bit closely and don't fall prey to cutting edges as often |
| [08:03:19] | GTswagger: | But it became too much work just to get a good desktop in Gentoo with all the devs leaving. |
| [08:03:26] | Dagmar: | gah |
| [08:03:29] | Dagmar: | Don't wanna hear it |
| [08:03:34] | lightpriest: | Dagmar: i know, but is still 0.22 is the latest stable mythtv – so i'm not really old ;p |
| [08:03:41] | Dagmar: | Hopefully before Tuesday I'll have finished a Dropline build. |
| [08:03:57] | GTswagger: | It took them THREE YEARS to get Miro in the main trees in Gentoo. Three ... effing ... years. |
| [08:04:00] | lightpriest: | besides, i believe that if you're not missing a feature... you shouldn't really upgrade anything (except for security updates) |
| [08:04:10] | GTswagger: | They just put Miro in the tree literally 3 weeks ago |
| [08:04:14] | Dagmar: | lightpriest: You will go far thinking like that |
| [08:05:19] | Dagmar: | I've spent my spare time the last three days mired in sorting out differences between Slackware64 and Slackware (32-bit) |
| [08:05:46] | Dagmar: | I *think* I've spotted enough stuff that I can somewhat expect the build engine to behave on both using the same scripts for both |
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| [08:06:32] | Dagmar: | I'm seriously tempted to just use my fileserver to compile the 64-bit stuff and my desktop to compile the 32-bit stuff. |
| [08:07:02] | Dagmar: | ...since after compiling I can just reboot the desktop over to 64-bit and install those binary packages |
| [08:07:14] | Dagmar: | That way I could compile on both at the same time |
| [08:08:13] | Dagmar: | Somewhere I've misplaced a bit of code that would take a package and dump me a list of required and provided shared object names. |
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| [08:08:26] | Dagmar: | I would LIKE to start using it to build some package dependency chekcing. |
| [08:08:44] | Dagmar: | HOwever, if/when mainline Slackware users hear of this, I might as well just go outside and set myself on fire. |
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| [08:09:17] | Dagmar: | At least that way I'd only hear my own agonized screams for a few minutes. |
| [08:09:50] | Dagmar: | ...not some demon chorus of "OH GODS YOU'VE TURNED IT INTO REDHATDEPENDENCYHELLOMGOMGOMGWHYDOYOUHATEEVERYONE!" |
| [08:10:46] | lightpriest: | i'm sorry, but i'm not familiar at all with Slackware. Slackware doesn't have a package manager? |
| [08:10:56] | Dagmar: | It has a package manager. |
| [08:11:07] | lightpriest: | no dependency requirements? |
| [08:11:15] | Dagmar: | It's package manager keeps a list of what you've installed, and what files belonged to each package... |
| [08:11:17] | Dagmar: | ...and that's it. |
| [08:11:17] | lightpriest: | you have to figure them out yourself? |
| [08:11:24] | Dagmar: | You're expected to know what you're doing. |
| [08:11:30] | Dagmar: | You are, after all, the system administrator. |
| [08:11:43] | lightpriest: | ohh, you mean you have to install from source everything? |
| [08:11:49] | Dagmar: | I, on the other hand, take a _slightly_ different view. |
| [08:11:55] | lightpriest: | :) |
| [08:12:13] | Dagmar: | I would like to KNOW if something started looking for a new shared object name, which would indicate that there's a good chance it'll break |
| [08:12:47] | Dagmar: | One day something might be looking for libglib-1 and in the next libglib-1.2 |
| [08:12:47] | lightpriest: | isn't that the whole point of dependencies? save you the trouble of doing that yourself.. |
| [08:13:16] | Dagmar: | Well, like I said earlier... People will --force/--override at the drop of a hat. |
| [08:14:05] | Dagmar: | I also got _really_ tired of people trying to do "partial" installs, or replacing/hybridizing from somewhere else, and then reporting the resulting "bugs" to us and demanding that it's our stuff that broke. |
| [08:14:16] | Dagmar: | Like, homocidally-inclined kind of tired. |
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| [08:17:27] | lightpriest: | heh |
| [08:18:07] | lightpriest: | the way I see it, if an author or a maintainer decided that something is a dependency, then it IS a dependency |
| [08:18:58] | lightpriest: | i never '--force'd an installation, that's like compiling while commenting out lines of code |
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| [08:21:38] | GTswagger: | The solution (IMO) is Arch with slot version installs like Gentoo, and rigid and accurately dependency listings. |
| [08:21:44] | GTswagger: | It doesn't depend on "pythong" |
| [08:21:47] | GTswagger: | lol pythong |
| [08:21:48] | GTswagger: | python |
| [08:22:04] | GTswagger: | it depends on exactly python-xx.yy.zz to python-xx.yy.zz |
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| [10:23:03] | foo8ar: | hi all, someone in here that could shed some light in the utf8 latin1 confusion? i have a 0.21 that have been running for a couple of years. when i now move to a new platform with 0.22 i'd like to keep my recording history and shows. exporting from the 0.21 and importing to the new box gives me messed up international characters :( |
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| [10:31:49] | jarle: | foo8ar: maybe have a look at this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding |
| [10:34:06] | foo8ar: | jarle: i did look at the writing, but is more to the situation where you build the stuff via gentoo portage system. my situation is that i only want to import a couple of tables. it seems that you could run in either utf8 OR latin1that doesnt matter. the problem arises when you try to mix settings. and it seems that something has changed in the 0.21 to 0.22 ubuntu versions |
| [10:35:17] | foo8ar: | maybe i have to move the whole database, upgrade it and then drop some tables that i need to start clean with |
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| [10:43:38] | Dibblah: | If you've just been running Ubuntu and have NOT fiddled with your database encoding, then it should work. |
| [10:43:54] | Dibblah: | If you have fiddled with your encoding, you need to fix that. |
| [10:44:18] | Dibblah: | I would suggest just upgrading. |
| [10:51:20] | foo8ar: | only ubuntu but still the recording descriptions get messed up |
| [10:51:29] | foo8ar: | i will try upgrading |
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| [10:53:47] | foo8ar: | still one general question what should be the default character set for mythconverg? |
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| [11:03:36] | janneg: | foo8ar: depends on the version. for 0.21* and below latin1, for 0.22 and up utf8 |
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| [11:04:48] | foo8ar: | ok thanks |
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| [11:16:09] | akv: | i'm about to upgrade from 0.21 to 0.22. Are there anything i should keep in mind – can i copy my entire database and use it with 0.22? |
| [11:17:19] | rooaus: | heh, an indication of how bad Australian networks are regarding starting on time... I was watching a show I recorded and when it started on time (after padding) I thought "lucky" and double checked time on the backend. |
| [11:20:28] | Dibblah: | Is now / next data valid in au? |
| [11:20:35] | justinh: | over here even channels which show NO live material are starting to slip :-/ |
| [11:20:39] | Dibblah: | ie does it get updated with timeslips? |
| [11:21:25] | justinh: | do Freeview EIT timings get updated quickly enough to actually work? If so it might be worth ditching uk_rt |
| [11:24:03] | justinh: | and OMG my next frontend needs viddypow, if only for the quality of video & OSD rendering. It really *is* all that |
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| [11:27:44] | rooaus: | Dibblah: apparently not, we often have networks change programs with no notice to outwit the other networks. I haven't checked it recently though. |
| [11:28:18] | justinh: | hmm test backend has been using EIT exclusively & all the shows start bang on time |
| [11:28:39] | justinh: | having to pad saturday night showings by half an hour is silly |
| [11:28:57] | justinh: | and that's *with* time set by NTP |
| [11:29:45] | justinh: | BBC1 – my wife watches Casualty & I've had to progressively increase the end padding to 20 mins just so the end is never missed |
| [11:29:45] | ** rooaus is jealous ** | |
| [11:30:24] | justinh: | rooaus: no, on my production backend I've got ludicrous padding either way to catch the start & ends properly |
| [11:30:39] | justinh: | that's not using EIT though, and with time set with NTP |
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| [11:31:48] | justinh: | offset 0.012612 sec |
| [11:32:25] | justinh: | time was when myth would start recording just before the titles began, absolutely bang on |
| [11:32:45] | justinh: | since Red Bee Media took over the BBC's playout it's all over the place |
| [11:33:24] | rooaus: | hopefully when the broadcast licenses are next renegotiated it will change, tivo has been in Aus for a little while now and I am hoping that will force their hand. Unlike myth tivo users can't worka round the problem with extra storage and tuners and excessive padding. :) |
| [11:33:33] | justinh: | I wonder how automated it was before compared to how it is now |
| [11:34:07] | justinh: | rooaus: one of the reasons cited for tivo failing in the UK was the sloppy broadcast timing |
| [11:34:45] | justinh: | that & the fact they were *way* ahead of their time of course |
| [11:34:54] | rooaus: | yeah, nothing worse than missing the end of a show. And if you pad enough then tivo is essentially single tuner. |
| [11:35:28] | justinh: | I've seen tivo vid quality too – it was sure better than VHS but not even a patch on a PVR150 |
| [11:35:58] | justinh: | and the tivo recordings I've seen were using its RGB input. Heh |
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| [11:39:59] | Chicago: | ...just re-upped my schedules direct subscription for another year. |
| [11:41:02] | clever: | ive been having mild trouble with mine |
| [11:41:10] | clever: | ive deleted channel 333 but i'm still getting data for it |
| [11:41:26] | Chicago: | clever, do you wait 1 day to see the changes take effect? |
| [11:41:33] | clever: | ive waited months |
| [11:41:46] | clever: | the data keeps showing up in myth |
| [11:42:28] | clever: | every now and then i get fed up and 'delete from program where chanid = 1333;' and its 'solved' until the next grab |
| [11:42:36] | Chicago: | ah |
| [11:42:55] | clever: | the cable box wont even accept 333 as a valid channel |
| [11:43:05] | clever: | which screws with my ir blaster checking scripts |
| [11:43:08] | Chicago: | So you're saying you would prefer to have the channel removed from the listing data at schedules direct? |
| [11:43:22] | clever: | ive gone into the config on SD and unchecked that channel |
| [11:43:28] | clever: | and im still getting data for it |
| [11:44:19] | Chicago: | In your channel editor, do your XMLID's for the channels all match up 1:1 in schedules direct? |
| [11:44:26] | clever: | let me look |
| [11:44:48] | clever: | xmltvid is 11474 |
| [11:45:47] | Chicago: | I found the callsign was used to match against a schedules direct channel... when I set the XMLID explicitly, the darn thing just works. |
| [11:46:07] | clever: | 333 on SD is 27125 |
| [11:46:16] | clever: | | chanid | channum | callsign | name | xmltvid | |
| [11:46:18] | clever: | | 1333 | 333 | WGN | WGN (Local Chicago) | 11474 | |
| [11:46:34] | clever: | SD claims 333 is MTIME with xmltvid 27125 |
| [11:46:40] | clever: | so nothing is matching up |
| [11:47:01] | clever: | WGN is 345 on SD (11474) and that is also unchecked |
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| [11:47:41] | foo8ar: | hi all, trying to upgrade from 0.21 to 0.22. initial database schema version 1214. database upgrade partial to 1230 then exits with error: 009-11–21 12:44:50.156 DB Error (Performing database upgrade): Query was: ALTER TABLE dtv_multiplex ADD COLUMN default_authority varchar(32) CHARACTER SET utf8 NOT NULL default '';Error was: Driver error was [2/1060]: |
| [11:47:41] | foo8ar: | QMYSQL3: Unable to execute statement Database error was:Duplicate column name 'default_authority' new version: 1231:( |
| [11:47:44] | clever: | it looks like 333 got moved to 345, but i have both unchecked |
| [11:47:50] | justinh: | hehehe I found I have loads of mythtv cas ebadges left |
| [11:48:42] | Chicago: | clever, after your last channel scan, when all of the detected signals were mapped to a channel number, did you go through one by one to map them to the appropriate channel number and XMLID? |
| [11:49:01] | clever: | Chicago: never scanned with this card, using an ir blaster and STB |
| [11:49:01] | foo8ar: | should i try to drop 'default_authority' or what? |
| [11:49:02] | Chicago: | It's excessive, but the onlyway I got mine up and running with sd. |
| [11:49:48] | Chicago: | clever, so which channel do you pick in mythtv to have the ir blaster tune the STB on channel 333? |
| [11:50:05] | clever: | none, its wired via s-video |
| [11:50:22] | clever: | and i dont want 333 to ever be used, the STB cant even accept it |
| [11:50:53] | clever: | if i blast (or manualy punch it in) the thing just flashes --- and stays on whatever channel its on |
| [11:51:07] | clever: | but myth keeps getting data about it, and tryes to record it |
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| [11:52:49] | Chicago: | clever, am still trying to understand completely. What is the literal channel you can receive WGN (Local Chicago) on? |
| [11:53:03] | clever: | i dont think i'm even paying for that channel |
| [11:54:44] | clever: | i just want myth to stop using the channel all together |
| [11:54:46] | justinh: | heh 162 case badges to be exact :) |
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| [11:56:25] | Chicago: | justinh, are these bezel stickers? |
| [11:56:41] | justinh: | huh? |
| [11:56:55] | justinh: | standard domed PC case badges |
| [11:57:10] | Chicago: | awe dang, I don't know what case badge means. |
| [11:57:25] | Chicago: | Is it the sticker about thumb sized? or much bigger... |
| [11:57:36] | justinh: | I don't have big hands... |
| [11:57:53] | justinh: | about an inch square |
| [11:58:18] | Chicago: | are you selling them on e-bay or something? |
| [11:58:26] | justinh: | I used to |
| [12:00:09] | justinh: | be a shame to just throw them away |
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| [12:01:08] | Chicago: | give them away in a contest :) |
| [12:01:11] | foo8ar: | it seems that schema update is broken is there a way to do uit manually |
| [12:01:35] | justinh: | Chicago: I can't afford to *give* them away. Stamps are expensive |
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| [12:02:03] | Chicago: | oh, btw... I just switched to v.22 for the first time this month. What an impressive piece of software compared to the previous version! |
| [12:02:24] | justinh: | you think? |
| [12:02:39] | justinh: | http://imagebin.ca/img/ddtigHOF.jpg |
| [12:02:40] | Chicago: | I especially like the auto scale/resize of a letterboxed program in4/3 to fullscreen 16/9. |
| [12:02:43] | Chicago: | It's very nice. |
| [12:03:04] | justinh: | those ones need dusted off a bit |
| [12:03:24] | justinh: | and my camera is crap. They look better in real life |
| [12:03:56] | clever: | Chicago: no idea what to try next? |
| [12:04:17] | Chicago: | One of those would look nice on a remote control, just like they would on a chassis. |
| [12:04:33] | justinh: | if the remote had a 1" square recess in it sure |
| [12:05:10] | Chicago: | clever, You're being very clear. But I am still unable to understand what is going on for you. Does WGN exist for you as a visible channel? (yes/NO)? |
| [12:05:28] | clever: | Chicago: it might exist, but i dont want to record the damn thing |
| [12:06:04] | Chicago: | clever, Okay... lets go at this another way. Which recording rule results in recording WGN? |
| [12:06:14] | clever: | record on all channels |
| [12:06:46] | Chicago: | And when the record on all channels rule does record WGN, is the listing data correct? |
| [12:07:10] | clever: | the cable box wont even accept 333 |
| [12:07:20] | clever: | so it winds up recording whatever channel it was on last |
| [12:07:24] | Chicago: | yeah thats not computing with me |
| [12:07:37] | clever: | if you punch in a bad channel, the box wont change |
| [12:07:44] | Chicago: | Either you have a 1:1 mapping of channels and XMLIDs, or your channel "list" has extra entries. |
| [12:07:46] | clever: | if i'm on 11 and i punch in 333 |
| [12:07:48] | clever: | i get 11 |
| [12:08:34] | Chicago: | 333 isn't being used because you're saying record on all channels does result in WGN being recorded. |
| [12:08:49] | Chicago: | So another channel other than 333 must be mapped to the same physical channel. |
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| [12:09:16] | clever: | the upcoming recordings screen claims 333, and the channel change script is given 333 |
| [12:09:34] | clever: | and the cable box refuses it, causing mythtv to record whatever it was already on |
| [12:09:39] | Chicago: | yeah |
| [12:09:40] | Chicago: | I see |
| [12:10:05] | Chicago: | In mythtv-setup can you go through them one by one and detect the channel which gives 333 to your external channel change script? |
| [12:10:41] | clever: | just checked the db, there is only ONE(1) channel with channum = 333 |
| [12:11:09] | clever: | and freqid and atsc_major_chan |
| [12:11:33] | jarle: | mythweb complains: SQL Error: Table 'mythconverg.favorites' doesn't exist [#1146] |
| [12:11:47] | jarle: | is this table used in mythtv 0.22? |
| [12:12:31] | Chicago: | clever, not to be sarcastic or anything.... but if that's an invalid channel you can just delete it. |
| [12:12:53] | Chicago: | clever, rather then using SD to fetch my channels, I scan for them and map them to the XMLID. |
| [12:13:15] | clever: | lets run mythfilldatabase and see if the dumb thing re-adds the channel |
| [12:13:43] | clever: | it has been properly deleted from within mythtv-setup |
| [12:14:38] | Chicago: | So are you saying after mythfilldatabase runs you end up with channels being added to your channel list for you? |
| [12:15:15] | clever: | i havent tried actualy deleting the whole channel yet |
| [12:15:32] | clever: | but i'm expecting it to re-add the channel |
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| [12:15:58] | clever: | usualy it auto-adds any channel that appears on SD |
| [12:16:50] | Chicago: | Yeah, hopefully it works this time. |
| [12:17:13] | clever: | ok, i told it to refresh today to make it fast |
| [12:17:18] | clever: | its now updating the 23rd... |
| [12:17:31] | Chicago: | clever, take your time I've got all day |
| [12:17:48] | clever: | i'll watch some stargate while i wait |
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| [12:32:10] | justinh: | hahahaha http://www.pop.is/k29 |
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| [12:32:52] | Chicago: | lol |
| [12:32:56] | ** sid3windr registers pen.is ** | |
| [12:33:09] | sid3windr: | oops, someone seems to have beaten me to it ;) |
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| [12:36:27] | clever: | Chicago: mfdb done |
| [12:36:51] | clever: | channel isnt in the channel table anymore |
| [12:36:53] | clever: | might have worked |
| [12:37:05] | Chicago: | kewl |
| [12:38:09] | clever: | now to kill 669 |
| [12:38:12] | clever: | damn french channel:P |
| [12:38:29] | Chicago: | haha |
| [12:38:32] | justinh: | freedom channel! |
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| [12:38:41] | clever: | it keeps trying to record CSI in french |
| [12:38:58] | justinh: | it might be better. give it a chance |
| [12:39:22] | clever: | ive already forgoten most of the french i learned |
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| [12:42:23] | foo8ar: | it seems that schema update is broken. is there a way to do the upgrade manually? |
| [12:42:57] | justinh: | nope |
| [12:43:30] | justinh: | now then. did you back up your database before trying the update? |
| [12:43:43] | foo8ar: | yes i did |
| [12:43:50] | justinh: | the update itself should have done it too but... |
| [12:44:00] | justinh: | are you on gentoo by any chance? |
| [12:44:07] | foo8ar: | it starts with version 1214 and breaks at 1230 |
| [12:44:10] | foo8ar: | no ubuntu |
| [12:44:14] | justinh: | okay |
| [12:44:44] | Chicago: | foo8ar, I ended up dumping my old 'latin1' db and starting fresh for v22 with the UTF8 defaults. |
| [12:45:18] | foo8ar: | mm i have tons of recordings and recording history that i would like to keep |
| [12:45:31] | foo8ar: | started by dumping only those tables but |
| [12:45:50] | foo8ar: | when importing the international characters went boom |
| [12:46:01] | foo8ar: | i guess it has to do with utf latin1 .... |
| [12:46:03] | justinh: | were you running straight 0.21 packages before, or from a different repo? |
| [12:46:49] | foo8ar: | 0.21 was ubuntu with installed std 0.21 new is mythbuntu with0.22 |
| [12:47:04] | clever: | you should be able to manualy update the schema if you wanted to |
| [12:47:21] | justinh: | clever: don't even go there |
| [12:47:29] | clever: | just dig out the changes from the source, manualy apply them and deal (or ignore) errors, and then fudge the db schema version |
| [12:47:35] | justinh: | it'd bve a lot of work & plenty of scope for things to go badly wrong |
| [12:47:39] | justinh: | NO |
| [12:47:41] | clever: | if he already has a backup of the db it cant hurt |
| [12:47:47] | justinh: | oh it can |
| [12:47:55] | clever: | how? |
| [12:48:08] | foo8ar: | clever: where is the schema version stored? |
| [12:48:10] | justinh: | very easily |
| [12:48:17] | clever: | foo8ar: in the settings table |
| [12:48:25] | justinh: | contents of tables change between schema versions |
| [12:48:42] | clever: | justinh: read the code to see what changes/fixes it does, and do them manualy |
| [12:48:45] | foo8ar: | so upgrade doesnt work |
| [12:48:46] | justinh: | no way |
| [12:48:56] | foo8ar: | the next best is to import the old recording history |
| [12:49:01] | justinh: | yup |
| [12:49:07] | foo8ar: | that probably is latin1 form some reason |
| [12:49:20] | foo8ar: | how could I convert that? |
| [12:54:00] | foo8ar: | .... |
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| [12:54:47] | KjetilK: | I have a problem: If we pause a program, which is something we often do if there is something that pops up that looks interesting, and we let it stay that way for the entire length of the show, it is sometimes gone when we want to watch it... :-( |
| [12:55:00] | KjetilK: | I figured, since DirectTV is always expired first, what may happen, is that it expires the show that we put on pause. |
| [12:55:10] | KjetilK: | Is there some way I can tell MythTV to not expire DirectTV before it has reached a certain age? |
| [12:56:34] | clever: | KjetilK: it will never delete something that is open |
| [12:56:42] | clever: | which includes something 'playing' but paused |
| [12:57:43] | clever: | but if for any reason the playback stops (mine often times out and returns the the menu) |
| [12:57:50] | clever: | then it will become free for automatic deletion |
| [12:58:20] | KjetilK: | clever, it seems to delete something once the next show runs |
| [12:58:32] | KjetilK: | or next-next |
| [12:58:53] | KjetilK: | I guess that means it may not then have status "playing" anymore? |
| [12:58:56] | clever: | livetv or recordings? |
| [12:59:01] | KjetilK: | livetv |
| [12:59:07] | clever: | ah |
| [12:59:11] | clever: | i never use livetv |
| [12:59:20] | clever: | and pausing it for 5 hours will cause all hell to break out |
| [12:59:33] | clever: | it keeps recording the whole 5 hours in the background |
| [12:59:47] | KjetilK: | yeah |
| [13:00:09] | clever: | hit the button to record the whole thing (r i think) and then switch over to the watch recordings page and mark it as dont expire |
| [13:00:13] | KjetilK: | I've actually done that often |
| [13:00:33] | clever: | once you hit r, it will continue to record after you exit livetv |
| [13:01:11] | KjetilK: | ok, I'll try that |
| [13:03:24] | KjetilK: | Things have often been left on pause overnight by accident here... |
| [13:04:57] | KjetilK: | I still think it would be nice if I could tell it to let DirectTV live at least 12 hours (there are plenty of old recordings that should be expired instead...) |
| [13:06:00] | clever: | there is an option to make it stop after being inactive for a while |
| [13:06:12] | clever: | so if you leave it alone for an hour it stops |
| [13:06:23] | clever: | but then your no longer playing the file, and its free to expire (delete) |
| [13:10:08] | KjetilK: | yup |
| [13:10:53] | clever: | ive completely removed the livetv option from the menu |
| [13:10:56] | KjetilK: | but what I'm talking about is the opposite, that livetv should be allowed to live longer than a recording in some cases, but just a few hours |
| [13:11:03] | KjetilK: | oh, really |
| [13:11:35] | clever: | somewhere in the options you can set how many hours livetv lives |
| [13:11:43] | clever: | but it will also expire if your low on disk space |
| [13:13:04] | justdave: | I think I have mine set so livetv lives forever, but it's the first thing to get nuked when it's low on space |
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| [13:13:28] | justdave: | but my kids record a lot of stuff, so it essentially never lasts more than half a day anyway |
| [13:13:40] | clever: | i just mark what i want to see as record and sometimes watch it while it records |
| [13:13:43] | justdave: | because it's always freeing up disk space |
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| [13:15:54] | KjetilK: | I'm in the weird situation that I often have to delete old series my wife have recorded and watched months ago, while stuff we just pause to watch the next two hours gets deleted... |
| [13:16:10] | KjetilK: | delete manually, that is |
| [13:19:49] | clever: | KjetilK: mythbackend --printexpire |
| [13:20:14] | clever: | those old shows may be at a prio that makes them kept longer |
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| [13:24:21] | KjetilK: | yeah |
| [13:24:32] | KjetilK: | so I guess I should also create more recording groups... |
| [13:24:54] | KjetilK: | but I'm not sure that will help, if is hardcoded that livetv always goes first... |
| [13:25:02] | clever: | the prio of a scheduling rule effects what expires first |
| [13:25:12] | clever: | and those thigns can be tuned on one of the setting pages |
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| [13:45:45] | Cyber-Dogg: | howdy, I'm still having some firewire issues I was hoping someone could me resolve |
| [13:45:54] | Cyber-Dogg: | I have 2 boxes setup and they are daisy chained |
| [13:46:03] | Cyber-Dogg: | when I am only running one of them, it works fine |
| [13:46:29] | Cyber-Dogg: | but when I try to use them simultaneously, both feeds fail |
| [13:46:44] | Cyber-Dogg: | I think it has to do with the channels that it is using |
| [13:46:57] | Cyber-Dogg: | I have ran plugctl is accordance with the wiki |
| [13:47:22] | Cyber-Dogg: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire#Daisy_chain_setup |
| [13:47:32] | Cyber-Dogg: | when I do that, then it will work the next time I try it |
| [13:47:46] | Cyber-Dogg: | but then the following use fails again |
| [13:48:06] | Cyber-Dogg: | and when I check plugreport, things have changed back to their previous state |
| [13:48:30] | Cyber-Dogg: | so I'm wondering if mythtv is not handling it properly and if it is actually changing the channels back |
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| [14:13:23] | mchou: | Cyber-Dogg: you dont even say what exactly the problem is |
| [14:13:51] | mchou: | how are people supposed to help you without know exactly what the problem is |
| [14:14:03] | tank-man: | he can't watch tv :) |
| [14:14:19] | mchou: | tank-man: maybe his TV is broken |
| [14:14:59] | tank-man: | I stopped reading when I saw firewire, I have no experience with it |
| [14:15:37] | mchou: | firewire used to work great |
| [14:15:47] | mchou: | dunno what the status on it now is |
| [14:17:11] | mchou: | Cyber-Dogg: "feeds fail" reveal no USEFUL information |
| [14:18:06] | mchou: | Cyber-Dogg: you'd get much better mileageif you posted before and after plugreport output |
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| [14:22:23] | dk: | hey! I am looking forward to buying my first TV tuner.. and I want one that works under linux... I want to be able to watch HD channels on my laptop |
| [14:22:44] | dk: | any recommendations? |
| [14:24:13] | mchou: | w/o knowing what modulation and transmission standards are used in your area, no one is going to bother giving you a rec |
| [14:24:58] | dk: | and I have no idea what those are |
| [14:25:08] | dk: | I live in the US |
| [14:30:37] | dk: | great |
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| [14:34:05] | justinh: | another one we'll be better off without |
| [14:35:22] | Cyber-Dogg: | lol.... ok |
| [14:41:05] | Cyber-Dogg: | putting together a pastebin now |
| [14:41:07] | mchou: | "I live in the US" |
| [14:41:18] | mchou: | that's real "specific" |
| [14:41:43] | mchou: | not to mention that wasn't exactly the question that was asked |
| [14:50:36] | Cyber-Dogg: | ok, so in the process of making that pastebin i decided to try something |
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| [14:50:49] | Cyber-Dogg: | I added the script from that firewire wiki to the startup of the backend |
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| [14:53:48] | Cyber-Dogg: | which worked exactly the same as my other situation has... except also added an additional interesting issue... I can't seem to change channels after I have ran that |
| [14:54:01] | Cyber-Dogg: | the box will change channels but mythtv won't get a lock on it again |
| [14:55:02] | Cyber-Dogg: | so I looked at the plugreports |
| [14:55:38] | Cyber-Dogg: | it looks like what is happening is that if I don't run that script |
| [14:56:06] | Cyber-Dogg: | and don't set p2p_connections = 1 before running mythtv, then mythtv uses channel 63 on both of the connections |
| [14:56:23] | Cyber-Dogg: | so the two boxes are getting the same channel and clearly, that's not going to work |
| [14:56:52] | Cyber-Dogg: | however... if I do use the script from the wiki before running myth, then I can't get the channels to change properly |
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| [14:57:27] | Cyber-Dogg: | seems that the optimal solution would be for the 6200ch to set the p2p channel for me |
| [14:57:32] | mchou: | Cyber-Dogg: dude, stop overcomplicating the issue |
| [14:57:51] | mchou: | load up 6200ch |
| [14:58:19] | mchou: | 6200ch -g, if I recall the syntax ride |
| [14:58:24] | mchou: | right* |
| [14:58:46] | mchou: | tey to change channels using UUID |
| [14:58:55] | mchou: | not node |
| [14:59:17] | mchou: | cause nodes by definition will switch under a lot of circumstances |
| [14:59:30] | Cyber-Dogg: | I actually don't know where the binary is located on the mythbuntu install |
| [14:59:36] | Cyber-Dogg: | finding it :-) |
| [14:59:53] | mchou: | if you try that and it STILL doesn't work then we'll look at the output |
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| [15:02:21] | mchou: | gbee: you still with mandriva? |
| [15:02:30] | gbee: | yes |
| [15:02:54] | mchou: | gbee: haha, just windering why you tried ubuntu or whatever |
| [15:03:01] | mchou: | wondering* |
| [15:03:27] | Cyber-Dogg: | mchou: where should I be able to find the changer in the default install?" |
| [15:03:38] | mchou: | Cyber-Dogg: I dont know |
| [15:03:53] | mchou: | Cyber-Dogg: compile it yourself from source if necessary |
| [15:04:39] | gbee: | mchou: 'with mandriva', or 'use mandriva'? |
| [15:04:49] | mchou: | gbee: use* |
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| [15:05:12] | mchou: | gbee: I'm assuming you arent an employee of mdv |
| [15:05:17] | gbee: | heh, no |
| [15:05:56] | mchou: | gbee: seriously what prompted you to try some other distro? |
| [15:07:29] | gbee: | I've tried and am using Ubuntu for the following reasons a) Hype, wanted to see what everyone was talking about b) when I needed to get my production be/fe up and running after a disk crash mythbuntu seemed like it should be faster c) Mandriva don't do a tailored netbook version and I needed something more capable than Xandros on my netbook |
| [15:08:30] | mchou: | so your be/fe is now *buntu? |
| [15:08:51] | gbee: | but I'm not really happy with Ubuntu in either case, just waiting for something better to come along (like a mandriva based myth distro and a _free_ mandriva netbook release*) |
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| [15:09:18] | gbee: | my production one aye, not my development fe/be which right now is the one that I use more often |
| [15:09:44] | mchou: | hold on |
| [15:09:58] | mchou: | the production is mdv or ubuntu? |
| [15:10:15] | gbee: | mythbuntu |
| [15:10:41] | gbee: | 0.21 |
| [15:11:43] | Cyber-Dogg: | so... I still haven't found the binary yet... |
| [15:11:56] | Cyber-Dogg: | is it built into mythtv by chance? |
| [15:12:22] | mchou: | Cyber-Dogg: dude, that all depends on you distrp |
| [15:12:46] | gbee: | mchou: don't get me wrong, if I had the time I'd probably have switched it back to mandriva, but I'm just too busy to mess with something that mostly works |
| [15:13:04] | mchou: | Cyber-Dogg: I dont understand why this is so difficult |
| [15:13:24] | mchou: | gbee: fair enough |
| [15:14:14] | mchou: | Cyber-Dogg: a locate command or a simple compilation isnt difficult |
| [15:14:41] | Cyber-Dogg: | mchou: chill out... yeah I know... I can go compile it... but it wouldn't be a very good test unless I'm using what is currently being used by mythtv |
| [15:14:47] | Cyber-Dogg: | I did a locate |
| [15:14:51] | Cyber-Dogg: | can't find a binary of it |
| [15:15:10] | mchou: | mythtv doesnt use 6200ch |
| [15:15:17] | mchou: | that's the whole point |
| [15:15:48] | Cyber-Dogg: | well telling me that well above would have been useful :-) |
| [15:16:25] | mchou: | Cyber-Dogg: why? 6200ch is in the myth source repos |
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| [15:16:50] | mchou: | 6200ch is not the internal myth channel chanel is all I'm saying |
| [15:16:51] | Cyber-Dogg: | yes... but that doesn't tell me that myth isn't using it |
| [15:17:01] | mchou: | changer* |
| [15:17:37] | mchou: | Cyber-Dogg: and that info ould have helped you out how? |
| [15:17:42] | mchou: | would* |
| [15:18:01] | Cyber-Dogg: | I wouldn't have been looking for an existing binary of 6200ch |
| [15:18:08] | mchou: | what?? |
| [15:18:18] | Cyber-Dogg: | I would have just went and built the thing |
| [15:18:45] | mchou: | [07:03:27] <Cyber-Dogg> mchou: where should I be able to find the changer in the default install?" |
| [15:18:45] | mchou: | [07:03:38] <mchou> Cyber-Dogg: I dont know |
| [15:18:45] | mchou: | [07:03:53] <mchou> Cyber-Dogg: compile it yourself from source if necessary |
| [15:19:11] | mchou: | [07:11:56] <Cyber-Dogg> is it built into mythtv by chance? |
| [15:19:11] | mchou: | [07:12:21] <mchou> Cyber-Dogg: dude, that all depends on you distrp |
| [15:19:30] | Cyber-Dogg: | yeah... if necessary... which I ignored because if it was already using one (which it wasn't as you later told me) then it wouldn't hav ebeen a good test to make a new one |
| [15:19:33] | mchou: | seems like those questions were asked and answered |
| [15:20:14] | mchou: | Cyber-Dogg: go damn |
| [15:20:20] | mchou: | god* |
| [15:20:39] | mchou: | myth internal channel changer doesnt use 6200ch |
| [15:20:50] | Cyber-Dogg: | yeah we've cleared that up already nowl... |
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| [15:21:27] | mchou: | it does NOT MEAN 6200ch binary is (or is not) necessarily included |
| [15:21:47] | Cyber-Dogg: | yeah... but if it's not using it, then I don't care about which binary I use then |
| [15:22:17] | ** mchou headbangs ** | |
| [15:22:32] | Cyber-Dogg: | the feeling is mutual... let me tell you |
| [15:23:03] | mchou: | Cyber-Dogg: mutual my ass |
| [15:23:28] | mchou: | you dont even know why I asked you to use 6200ch |
| [15:26:53] | Cyber-Dogg: | actually... it appears that mythbuntu uses 6200ch internally |
| [15:26:59] | Cyber-Dogg: | according to their wiki anyway |
| [15:27:04] | mchou: | oh god |
| [15:27:23] | mchou: | NO it does NOT |
| [15:27:41] | mchou: | 6200ch is the EXTERNAL channel changer |
| [15:27:44] | Cyber-Dogg: | NOTE: The 6200.ch changer is included in the Ubuntu MythTV packages and is no longer needed for the Motorola 62xx STBs. |
| [15:27:57] | mchou: | oh lord |
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| [15:28:19] | mchou: | that's saying exactly the same thing I'm saying |
| [15:28:54] | mchou: | no longer needed because myth INTERNAL changer has it's own logic for changing channels |
| [15:29:01] | mchou: | wtf |
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| [15:30:31] | mchou: | Cyber-Dogg: since you think all the answers lie within wikis perhaps you should just use that to solve all your firewire issues |
| [15:36:44] | Cyber-Dogg: | ok... I finally got 6200 compiled (had dependencies to get) |
| [15:37:36] | Cyber-Dogg: | when using 6200ch and -g it worked |
| [15:37:48] | mchou: | well there you go |
| [15:38:02] | mchou: | that ought to tell you something |
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| [15:38:41] | mchou: | your problems have nothing to do with p2p settings |
| [15:38:42] | Cyber-Dogg: | ok, so I need to use that external changer... how do I use the UUID in the parameters |
| [15:39:40] | mchou: | |
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| [15:46:35] | gbee: | we need another Geoffrey, someone willing to endure the pain of writing a lossless transcoder for AVC |
| [15:46:44] | akv: | Just installed mythbuntu 9.10 with mythtv 0.22 – trying to watch a mkv video with embedded subs, but the menu only allows me to enable teletext subs...where do i find the subs? |
| [15:47:27] | akv: | gbee: regarding my questions about vdpau the other day – everything works like a charm now :) |
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| [15:50:36] | Thom-: | hello guys, i have a strange problem.. when i'm watching tv and it gets to the end of the show mythtv zapps back to the beginning of the show... i can't get to the next show automaticaly, but only if i reselect ("reload?") the channel. I have the same problem with the ads |
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| [16:04:07] | waterfoul: | where is the mysql setting in fedora? I looked and there is no /usr/local/share/mythtv folder |
| [16:08:07] | Cyber-Dogg: | mchou: thanks for your help |
| [16:08:09] | Cyber-Dogg: | it's working now |
| [16:08:33] | waterfoul: | found it! it was in /var/lib/mythtv |
| [16:09:04] | Cyber-Dogg: | is there a way to have plugctl use guids? or some other program that will do that? |
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| [16:11:34] | Cyber-Dogg: | and actually... it's not working now... |
| [16:11:45] | Cyber-Dogg: | after a couple of uses the plugctl settings dropped off again |
| [16:11:51] | Cyber-Dogg: | my p2p_connections is back at 0 |
| [16:12:13] | Cyber-Dogg: | channels went back to 63 too |
| [16:13:49] | Cyber-Dogg: | hmm... perhaps myth is sending a reset to the bus or something...? |
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| [16:19:51] | akv: | are there any easy way of using dvb channels from 0.21 in 0.22? |
| [16:20:17] | waterfoul: | how do I tell mythtv setup to look at a different directory |
| [16:20:27] | wagnerrp: | erm.... just use them? |
| [16:20:44] | wagnerrp: | the schema should update itself on first run, and your own channel tables should just work |
| [16:21:08] | wagnerrp: | waterfoul: look at a different directory for what? |
| [16:21:15] | waterfoul: | for its settings |
| [16:21:46] | wagnerrp: | you dont... all settings will always be stored in ~/..mythtv/config.xml |
| [16:22:03] | wagnerrp: | if you want a different location, change your $HOME variable |
| [16:22:04] | waterfoul: | it currently looks at /root/.mythtv but the daemon pulls its settings from /var/lib/mythtv |
| [16:23:01] | wagnerrp: | if your backend pulls from such a radically different location, youre probably not running mythtv-setup as the correct user |
| [16:23:23] | wagnerrp: | under most distros, you do not want to run mythtv-setup as root |
| [16:23:25] | waterfoul: | what user should I run it from? I thought I was supposed to run it as root |
| [16:23:35] | waterfoul: | I am running as root |
| [16:23:42] | wagnerrp: | you always want to run mythtv-setup from the same user as is running mythbackend |
| [16:25:37] | waterfoul: | I got it to work by doing export MYTHCONFDIR="/var/lib/mythtv" first |
| [16:26:58] | wagnerrp: | MYTHCONFDIR is one of those hidden settings used for development/debugging that the end user isnt supposed to know about or use |
| [16:27:12] | waterfoul: | I found it in the init script |
| [16:27:52] | wagnerrp: | its not supposed to be used because it ends up with the config files being located in arbitrary positions all over the file system |
| [16:28:00] | wagnerrp: | and end users not being able to find them |
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| [16:28:12] | wagnerrp: | what distro? |
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| [16:28:29] | waterfoul: | fedora |
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| [16:30:15] | PinkFreud: | hey, folks. trying to track down a bit of an issue with mythmusic. |
| [16:30:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: any comment on the fedora init script? (you were the one who told me MYTHCONFDIR wasnt to be used) |
| [16:31:04] | PinkFreud: | playing random tracks from an artist utilizing the Shuffle: Artist feature. |
| [16:31:32] | PinkFreud: | at some point, mythmusic decides that artist $B is the same as artist $A and jumps to it. |
| [16:32:25] | PinkFreud: | while I won't claim to know everything about these bands, I'm reasonably certain that neither shares a single member. They're most definitely not the same artist. :) |
| [16:32:28] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: not sure if you're around, but this video hashing thing you committed this week looks pretty sweet! |
| [16:33:09] | skd5aner: | oops, he's not even in channel :) |
| [16:33:20] | skd5aner: | oh, nm – yes he is |
| [16:34:07] | skd5aner: | I'm trying to use jamu in interactive mode – and man, it's super slow |
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| [16:34:27] | PinkFreud: | any ideas why mythmusic goes brain-dead on the Shuffle: Artist feature? |
| [16:34:33] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: imagine it usually takes a couple seconds per lookup |
| [16:34:50] | skd5aner: | PinkFreud: no idea, I don't typically do random for only an artist |
| [16:34:58] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: See if the source web sites are slow. They are often slow during the weekends. |
| [16:35:00] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: it's taking like 2 minutes per lookup |
| [16:35:04] | PinkFreud: | It's consistently on this same track, too. |
| [16:35:28] | wagnerrp: | well it is the weekend, tmdb/ttvdb are just under heavy load |
| [16:35:31] | skd5aner: | RDV_Linux: I'll see if tmdb is slow via the browser |
| [16:35:56] | wagnerrp: | but 2 minutes seems a bit much |
| [16:36:02] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I know they typicall don't handle load too well, just didn't expect it on a Saturday before noon (EST) :) |
| [16:36:19] | skd5aner: | Yea, I've been able to get through 3 movies in about 10 mins :( |
| [16:37:14] | wagnerrp: | does JAMU do anything where it queues up items that need a response, and asks them all at the end? |
| [16:37:17] | skd5aner: | themoviedb.org doesn't seem to slow via the browser |
| [16:37:34] | skd5aner: | *too |
| [16:37:40] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: Jamu has an almost ridiculous time out length due to this issue. Unfortunately the solution is restricted to python v2.6 and above. |
| [16:38:10] | wagnerrp: | well the web server and the API are completely independent |
| [16:38:16] | wagnerrp: | and will experience different loading |
| [16:38:40] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: No jamu does everything sequentially no multiple connect/download logic at all. |
| [16:38:54] | wagnerrp: | although i dont know if entries are maintained in the cache, or if they are only retrieved from the main site when used |
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| [16:40:34] | RDV_Linux: | skd5aner: Basically if jamu worked ok last night then and you did not change the code then it is your bandwidth or more likely the web sources. |
| [16:40:58] | PinkFreud: | any ideas on what I can do to figure this issue out? I've looked at the track entries in the db and nothing obvious jumps out at me. |
| [16:41:38] | PinkFreud: | Artist id is definitely different, so it's somewhat bizarre that mythmusic should decide that artist $B is the same as artist $A. |
| [16:41:41] | skd5aner: | Yea, I figured it had to be most likley the source |
| [16:42:08] | skd5aner: | I'm in no rush to get it done, just was kinda surprised how slow it is this morning |
| [16:43:19] | PinkFreud: | I've confirmed that it happens with multiple artists, too. |
| [16:44:18] | justinh: | mythmusic is in need of a lot of TLC. we know that already |
| [16:44:39] | skd5aner: | what justinh said |
| [16:44:44] | PinkFreud: | ick. |
| [16:45:11] | skd5aner: | sorry PingFreud, no ideas from me – mythmusic is "usable", but it sure isn't winning any contests |
| [16:45:25] | skd5aner: | I believe they plan on basically re-writing it *sometime* |
| [16:45:35] | PinkFreud: | it's that bad off, eh? |
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| [16:45:49] | justinh: | hey but if somebody else leaps in first... |
| [16:45:59] | skd5aner: | It's really not received much attention in several revisions, and hasn't even been ported to mythui |
| [16:46:35] | skd5aner: | the last discussion I recall hearing was a debate over wether it was worth the effort to port to mythui, or just to rewrite it |
| [16:46:56] | justinh: | the plan is to rewrite it AFAIK |
| [16:47:04] | PinkFreud: | ok. I'll either deal with it or find an alternative. :) |
| [16:47:26] | Greek-Boy: | I can't get VDPAU to work with Ubuntu 9.10 and 0.22, using the 185 nvidia drivers on a acer revo. I have installed the vdpau nvidia lib |
| [16:47:26] | skd5aner: | yea – try asking the question maybe another time on here – or better yet, send something to the mailing list |
| [16:47:28] | Greek-Boy: | :( |
| [16:47:28] | justinh: | there's not really a linux alternative that can be used with a remote |
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| [16:47:50] | justinh: | Greek-Boy: adjusted the video playback profile accordingly |
| [16:47:52] | justinh: | ? |
| [16:48:03] | PinkFreud: | justinh: yeah. that's a bit of an issue. :( |
| [16:48:11] | Greek-Boy: | justinh, yeah I tried all three VDPAU profiles... |
| [16:48:45] | Greek-Boy: | justinh: I even tried to install from a repository that had the nvidia 190 drivers but that broke my mythtv installation |
| [16:48:57] | Greek-Boy: | I think I'm just gonna start from scratch again, ubuntu 9.10 out of the box |
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| [16:56:24] | gbee: | mythmusic will be partially re-written, there is nothing really wrong with the playback or metadata code, but the UI and playlist code is basically a write off |
| [16:57:32] | wagnerrp: | Greek-Boy: you need to READ, not just come across something and blindly jump into it |
| [16:57:51] | wagnerrp: | you have installed the 185.x drivers AND the vdpau lib |
| [16:58:11] | wagnerrp: | the library is included in the 185 drives, and the separate library is for the 190.x family |
| [16:58:16] | wagnerrp: | meaning you just broke everything |
| [17:00:07] | PinkFreud: | gbee: would Shuffle: Artist count under playlist? |
| [17:00:33] | Greek-Boy: | wagnerrp: The 185 drivers were not working |
| [17:00:44] | Greek-Boy: | wagnerrp: I read on some blog that 190 drivers take care of the problem |
| [17:01:36] | gbee: | possibly, wasn't my attention to touch the shuffle modes since no-one has reported problems with them, but if there is an obvious bug I'd fix it |
| [17:01:40] | wagnerrp: | so you read that you should use the 190 drivers, and then went and did something else? |
| [17:02:39] | Greek-Boy: | i installed the 190 drivers which took away 185 and mythtv |
| [17:02:53] | Greek-Boy: | then I couldn't reinstall mythtv |
| [17:03:01] | waterfoul: | ok, so we finally got the slave backend connected to the master but when it connects the master switches to slave mode (so both backends are then slaves with no master) and the frontend reports "Protocol version check failure. The response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty." and that all the tuners are busy |
| [17:03:35] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU works just fine with 185, it works just fine with 190 |
| [17:03:43] | Greek-Boy: | googled around and found an article that suggested I install mythbuntu |
| [17:04:06] | wagnerrp: | you need a supported card (do you have one?) and you need to tell mythtv to use VDPAU in the playback profiles |
| [17:04:13] | wagnerrp: | that is it... thats all you need to do |
| [17:04:34] | Greek-Boy: | then my machine started using the ugly xfce interface |
| [17:04:37] | waterfoul: | ok, so we finally got the slave backend connected to the master but when it connects the master switches to slave mode (so both backends are then slaves with no master) and the frontend reports "Protocol version check failure. The response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty." and that all the tuners are busy. any idea on what we did wrong? |
| [17:04:40] | Greek-Boy: | things just brok from there on |
| [17:04:41] | Greek-Boy: | anyway |
| [17:04:47] | Greek-Boy: | i'll start from scratch and let u know how it goes |
| [17:04:49] | wagnerrp: | and under 0.22, there are now VDPAU playback profiles made up for you, all you need to do is choose one |
| [17:04:58] | Greek-Boy: | i tried those profiles |
| [17:05:09] | wagnerrp: | what card do you have? |
| [17:05:09] | Greek-Boy: | when it starts playback mythtv just freezes under any VDPAU profile |
| [17:05:16] | Greek-Boy: | nvidia ION |
| [17:05:21] | Greek-Boy: | using Acer Revo Aspire |
| [17:05:24] | wagnerrp: | did you check the frontend logs? |
| [17:05:49] | wagnerrp: | was this freezing when you had the 185 drivers installed along side the 190 vdpau libs? |
| [17:06:00] | Greek-Boy: | no, it was when i had just the 185 |
| [17:06:08] | Greek-Boy: | no i did not check the logs |
| [17:06:14] | ** Greek-Boy is guilty of not checking the logs. :P ** | |
| [17:06:22] | Greek-Boy: | but lemme give it another shot |
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| [17:11:35] | PinkFreud: | gbee: d'oh, sorry. was reading something elsewhere. |
| [17:12:07] | PinkFreud: | gbee: in any case, yeah, there does appear to be an issue with the Artist shuffle mode. At some point, it appears to jump artists. |
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| [17:14:43] | gbee: | I'm not sure how that shuffle mode is designed to work |
| [17:14:47] | PinkFreud: | I'm not sure how mythmusic is implementing shuffle, but as one of the artists I have here only has 10 tracks, I've noticed something interesting: after playing all 10 tracks in shuffle, it jumps to the next artist. |
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| [17:15:12] | gbee: | I think that's how it's supposed to work |
| [17:15:16] | PinkFreud: | one would think it'd just pick another track by that same artist. |
| [17:15:49] | gbee: | PinkFreud: but you just said it had played them all, why repeat? |
| [17:16:15] | PinkFreud: | because that's what the mode does: Shuffle Artist |
| [17:17:03] | gbee: | yeah, but the playlist contains more than that artist, seems logical behaviour to me |
| [17:17:13] | PinkFreud: | in the former case, the artist I was playing has quite a few tracks. I'm not certain it played through all of them. |
| [17:17:19] | PinkFreud: | it might have. |
| [17:17:54] | gbee: | it's not a filter, it's just a way of determining the order in which a playlist is played, in this case grouping by artist |
| [17:18:38] | gbee: | "Menu > Tracks by Current Artist" + Replace would restrict the playlist to a single artist |
| [17:18:53] | PinkFreud: | gbee: so why do Repeat: All vs Repeat: None appear to have no effect while shuffling artist? |
| [17:19:55] | gbee: | determines if it repeats the entire playlist (not whatever artist/album it's currently playing) |
| [17:20:10] | PinkFreud: | hmm. |
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| [17:21:54] | gbee: | it sounds like you are populating the playlist with a lot of tracks then expecting it to only play a subset, that's not the way playlists work in any application I've seen (not saying that one or two don't exist) |
| [17:22:46] | PinkFreud: | in general, I have all of my tracks there. on occasion, it'll play an artist that I've decided I want to hear, so I'll switch to Shuffle Artist. |
| [17:22:53] | gbee: | the UI isn't great so I appreciate that most people fail to understand that the list shown in the main playback screen _is_ the current playlist and not a track browser |
| [17:24:46] | ** PinkFreud nods ** | |
| [17:25:08] | mangus580: | hmmm commercial skipping doesnt like South Park |
| [17:25:34] | gbee: | gets even more confusing because behaviour varies based on settings used etc |
| [17:26:45] | gbee: | PinkFreud: in the event you want to just listen to a particular artist then I suggest hitting MENU and 'Tracks by this artist' then select Replace |
| [17:28:40] | gbee: | heh, messing with mythmusic I mis-read a track title as "I just peed myself" |
| [17:29:37] | gbee: | did a triple take before I realised that pulled the P from the line above |
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| [17:31:24] | PinkFreud: | lol |
| [17:31:31] | PinkFreud: | gbee: hmm. that utterly failed. |
| [17:31:45] | PinkFreud: | it did nuke my playlist, though. :) |
| [17:31:46] | wagnerrp: | its nothing to be ashamed of... just something that happens when you get old |
| [17:32:00] | PinkFreud: | wagnerrp: lol |
| [17:32:06] | Thom-: | is there a how-to-add-video-folders-to-mythtv ? |
| [17:32:18] | wagnerrp: | Thom-: see 'MythVideo' on the wiki |
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| [17:32:42] | Thom-: | wagnerrp, thank you |
| [17:32:49] | gbee: | PinkFreud: I use it all the time, never had a problem with it |
| [17:33:48] | PinkFreud: | there we go. had remove duplicates checked. |
| [17:33:56] | PinkFreud: | ... it duly removed everything. |
| [17:34:48] | gbee: | odd |
| [17:35:23] | PinkFreud: | that was my line of thought. :P |
| [17:36:53] | gbee: | well anyway, hopefully the UI re-write will either fix these issues or raise interest in working on mythmusic generally, for the last 4 years or so it's just been occasional work by Paul and I, no-one has really shown interest in making the necessary changes |
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| [17:41:49] | PinkFreud: | gbee: glad to hear it. it'd be nice to see mythmusic improve. |
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| [17:56:22] | Cardoe: | Dagmar: disabling overscan is actually pretty easy on the Samsungs |
| [17:59:35] | Dagmar: | Handy to know |
| [18:02:25] | wagnerrp: | maybe the higher end ones? i dont recall any such feature on mine |
| [18:04:25] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: I've got a LNxxB750 |
| [18:04:41] | Cardoe: | Iv'e also got an older one that I can't remember the model number.. But I can check |
| [18:04:47] | wagnerrp: | yeah, mines a 4-series or something |
| [18:04:57] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: If you rename HDMI 1 to one of the PC or PC DVI settings that'll do it |
| [18:05:05] | Cardoe: | wagnerrp: or.. if you change from 16:9 to Screen Fit |
| [18:05:40] | Dagmar: | Renaming the input is a rather unintuitive way of making a change to the behaviour |
| [18:05:51] | wagnerrp: | well theres almost no chance of 1:1 operation on a 720p panel |
| [18:06:03] | wagnerrp: | theyre almost always 1366x768 or some such |
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| [18:06:13] | Dagmar: | Eh? Mine's 1366x728 |
| [18:06:16] | wagnerrp: | and rarely support input on their native resolution |
| [18:06:19] | Dagmar: | er yeah 768. |
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| [18:06:35] | Dagmar: | You won't get 1:1 out of 720 on it, but it'll do 768 fine |
| [18:06:58] | Dagmar: | Oh, some of our ND&E guys now know I'm seriously OCD about some stuff. Heh |
| [18:07:02] | wagnerrp: | can you feed HDMI audio without an EDID packet? |
| [18:07:13] | spiderworm: | hi, when I start mythfrontend, it immediately jumps into Live TV mode.... is there a config setting somewhere so i can turn that off? |
| [18:07:15] | Dagmar: | The Zap2it channel listings machine crashed at the office, and it's background is NTSC test bars. |
| [18:07:30] | Dagmar: | I took one look at it and told them the video card output was not properly configured for NTSC. |
| [18:07:35] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [18:07:54] | wagnerrp: | as far as i know, there is no setting to turn that on |
| [18:07:59] | wagnerrp: | it shouldnt do that |
| [18:08:13] | spiderworm: | heh greeaaaaat :) |
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| [18:09:01] | spiderworm: | there MUST be a setting |
| [18:09:06] | spiderworm: | somewhere |
| [18:12:11] | wagnerrp: | i would say youre hitting enter as soon as you start the frontend, and triggering livetv |
| [18:12:18] | wagnerrp: | but livetv is no longer the first option |
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| [18:12:46] | spiderworm: | yeah, thats not it |
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| [18:13:42] | foo8ar: | hi all is it possible to have different "media" like dvb-t and dvb-c installed on the same system? |
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| [18:14:13] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [18:17:34] | foo8ar: | my problem is that the same channels exists on both dvb-c and dvb-t although with different channel number. when i try to schedule a recording the backend schedules the first available adapter |
| [18:17:56] | foo8ar: | and that channel doesnt exist on the first available frontend |
| [18:18:16] | foo8ar: | that channel number that is |
| [18:20:41] | Thom-: | is it possible to activate subtitles in the video mode? |
| [18:20:45] | Thom-: | .srt subs |
| [18:20:50] | justinh: | so make the channel numbers the same |
| [18:21:17] | justinh: | Thom-: the docs (remember them?) say to press T or enable subs via the onscreen menu |
| [18:21:49] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will automatically use any subtitle of the same filename as the movie |
| [18:21:49] | justinh: | well no going back now. flattened the new machine. starting again on NOTbuntu |
| [18:21:58] | wagnerrp: | it currently does not support subtitles inside the container |
| [18:22:43] | Thom-: | justinh, i'm pushing t, but nothing happens... |
| [18:23:43] | Thom-: | i almost think my shortcut configuration is somehow not normal. most of the shortcuts just won't work |
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| [18:25:26] | S2: | Thom-, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6869 |
| [18:27:54] | justinh: | and now just for the hell of it, sudo rm -rf / |
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| [18:30:13] | foo8ar: | dagmar: do you have a pointer where i could find hints for such a setup? |
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| [18:36:33] | tank-man: | string* setup |
| [18:36:49] | PinkFreud: | justinh: hate when that happens |
| [18:38:07] | justinh: | when what happens? a distro pees you off too many times with its incessant autopiloting of everything? |
| [18:40:35] | tank-man: | clippy? |
| [18:41:23] | justinh: | all ubuntu seems to need is a paperclip |
| [18:41:34] | justinh: | what with its pulseaudio & nagging update manager |
| [18:44:52] | Thom-: | so i've checked the shortcuts again and it should be the right button.. pressing T gives me only a "?" or sometimes a "Text 888 activated", but there are still no subs. Is it possible, that the internal player does not support .srt subtitles? |
| [18:45:36] | justinh: | it *does* support SRTs |
| [18:45:48] | justinh: | but they have to be the same filename as the original video |
| [18:45:57] | justinh: | e.g. Video.avi and Video.srt |
| [18:46:04] | justinh: | character for character |
| [18:46:27] | S2: | Thom-, did you read the link i posted? |
| [18:46:29] | Thom-: | they have the same filename... a.avi, a.srt case sensitive |
| [18:46:36] | S2: | Thom-, what's the filename of your subs? |
| [18:46:43] | Thom-: | S2, the link does not load |
| [18:47:51] | Thom-: | :( |
| [18:47:51] | Thom-: | justdave, vlc opens the sub |
| [18:47:52] | Thom-: | oh sorry, i mean justinh |
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| [18:47:55] | S2: | Thom-, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/392910 |
| [18:47:56] | Thom-: | a.srt |
| [18:48:11] | Thom-: | oh |
| [18:48:16] | Thom-: | no |
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| [18:48:52] | S2: | Thom-, there is a patch in that ticket. fixes the problem on 0.22 for me. |
| [18:49:39] | Thom-: | a.srt does not load in vlc either... maybe i'll try to change the greys.anatomy.s05e03.srt to a sub without dots |
| [18:49:48] | Thom-: | this one loads in vlc |
| [18:50:01] | S2: | Thom-, READ THE LINK |
| [18:50:03] | Thom-: | S2, thanks for the info |
| [18:50:13] | S2: | ... :) |
| [18:50:15] | Thom-: | :P |
| [18:50:16] | Thom-: | ;I |
| [18:50:17] | Thom-: | ;) |
| [18:50:34] | ** justinh calls the trout ** | |
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| [19:11:35] | gbee: | iamlindoro: "greys.anatomy.s05e03.srt" you arranged that, didn't you? |
| [19:12:09] | ** gbee still wonder's where people are getting external subtitle files for recording from ** | |
| [19:12:24] | ** gbee is obviously being deliberately obtuse ** | |
| [19:14:28] | PinkFreud: | gbee: clearly, they're transcribing the show themselves. :) |
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| [19:14:33] | ** PinkFreud coughs ** | |
| [19:15:50] | justinh: | sure you can turn digital broadcast subs into srt files. with erm.. tools. N stuff |
| [19:16:51] | gbee: | ohh, of course, and there I was thinking they were dirty thieving pirates, well I apologise for that |
| [19:18:28] | luux: | I ain't payin for nuthin |
| [19:18:36] | justinh: | sshh |
| [19:19:02] | luux: | scept for Scheddirect. |
| [19:19:14] | justinh: | neither am I. well apart from the stuff I buy, food, gas, electricity... |
| [19:20:10] | luux: | that's how awosem is linux :D |
| [19:20:39] | luux: | anybody else using brfs for mythtv stuff? |
| [19:21:15] | luux: | I am setting it up. |
| [19:21:26] | luux: | I wanted to know from others. |
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| [19:22:09] | luux: | lol, I guess no one |
| [19:22:24] | justinh: | their own wiki says "Btrfs is under heavy development, and is not suitable for any uses other than benchmarking and review" |
| [19:22:33] | justinh: | so I'd take your decision as pretty unwise |
| [19:22:36] | luux: | I don't care. |
| [19:23:14] | justinh: | that makes both of us then :) |
| [19:23:25] | luux: | I ded the raid 0 built in feature with two drives. 'bout to add a third. and i let the back up take care of things. |
| [19:23:59] | [Peter]: | eh? raid won't save you from filesystem fuckups |
| [19:23:59] | justinh: | only stuff I back up is the database. only thing worth keeping |
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| [19:24:24] | luux: | I don't like raid backup on the same mobo, seems dumb. |
| [19:24:34] | justinh: | and raid for stuff like media files is just stupid unless you're a producer/editor |
| [19:24:51] | justinh: | no need for it, not for speed anyway |
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| [19:25:08] | luux: | well, is not just mythtv. I want faster, better, stronger, harder. |
| [19:25:26] | justinh: | you should do less meth |
| [19:25:55] | luux: | I am natural born trippy. |
| [19:26:10] | luux: | no need for drugz |
| [19:28:03] | luux: | btrfs save my day. I was trying to use ZFS by way of gentoo/bsd |
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| [19:30:21] | ed-211: | I don't quite understand this HDHomeRun http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Silicondust_HDHomeRun |
| [19:30:46] | ed-211: | I just have my Dish Network tuner -> HDHomeRun -> LAN? |
| [19:38:45] | justinh: | nope |
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| [19:39:04] | justinh: | Antenna/QAM Cable -> HDHomeRun ->LAN |
| [19:39:18] | foo8ar: | anyone here with experience in system setup with multiple dvb media (eg dvb-t, dvb-c, dvb-s)? |
| [19:39:37] | justinh: | ed-211: HDHR can't capture output from a STB |
| [19:40:11] | justinh: | ed-211: for that you need the Hauppauge HD-PVR. Component & audio to h.264 over USB |
| [19:40:16] | justinh: | up to 1080i |
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| [19:51:15] | kcim: | hi everyone |
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| [19:54:58] | wagnerrp: | fantastic! the 'think of the children' foundation has been closed due to lack of funding |
| [19:57:08] | wagnerrp: | i never did understand the purpose of gentoo/bsd.... if youre going to run the freebsd kernel, why not just run... freebsd |
| [19:57:34] | wagnerrp: | either way, youre still running around with near completely lack of tuner card support |
| [19:58:46] | wagnerrp: | but you know... harder, better, faster, crashier and all |
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| [20:04:51] | DjMadness: | Hi, i've been trying for some time to make heads and tails of this issue, livetv and recorded tv seams to be getting a loud high pitch sound that lasts mayme 0.5 secs. every now and again. i can watch those same channels in mplayer without this issue. so i cant really say its a problem with the card. the closest to any infomation regarding the problem has been pasted to: http://pastebin.ca/1681309 and i am using mythtv 0.22, |
| [20:04:51] | DjMadness: | anyone else experianceing this issue, or someone know any workaround, or something that needs to be changed ? |
| [20:06:14] | wagnerrp: | that high pitch sound is just the noise a digital signal makes when its missing data |
| [20:06:37] | wagnerrp: | as seen in the logs, your signal is too low for the card to properly reconstruct the original transmission |
| [20:07:07] | wagnerrp: | producing a corrupt recording in the process |
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| [20:07:54] | kcim: | i am having an issue with getting headache's while watching tv through mythtv at first i thought it was the graphics driver but i can watch other media fine in other players i have also tried all the video profiles but none seem to work for me does anyone know how i can fix this |
| [20:09:22] | DjMadness: | wagnerrp: i was guessing it was signal related (however i have about 84% signal) it seams mplayer is reconstructing it better, witch is why i am asking. its happening many times a minute. |
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| [20:26:00] | ed-211: | justinh: thanks |
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| [20:48:18] | justinh: | so here I am like some kind of lemming back with *buntu. And now the middle mouse button is working. Which it never has before. Which is very annoying because it's helped me completely screw an xml file. Cheers |
| [20:49:02] | justinh: | and the mouse preferences applet doesn't actually let you adjust how many active buttons the mouse has. or anything useful like that. Yay |
| [20:49:15] | ** justinh goes to dig in xorg.conf then ** | |
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| [20:49:58] | justinh: | |
| [20:50:02] | justinh: | [#mythtv-theming] |
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| [20:50:12] | justinh: | whee look at that middle button paste go |
| [20:50:19] | justinh: | when I use the scrollwheel# |
| [20:53:48] | justinh: | oh jesus. talk about no easy solution |
| [20:57:16] | justinh: | now to restart X. Cheers |
| [20:58:30] | justinh: | nope. that didn't work. I ducking hate aunty ubuntu |
| [20:58:47] | spiderworm: | is there a way to start mythfrontend from the command line and force it to a specific display? |
| [20:59:01] | justinh: | DISPLAY=:$display mythfrontend |
| [20:59:05] | justinh: | or something |
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| [21:00:07] | spiderworm: | k, let me try that out |
| [21:00:21] | gbee: | from the command line, -O XineramaScreen={0,1,2,n} |
| [21:00:49] | gbee: | but if it's a permanent thing, then just set it in the settings |
| [21:01:40] | justinh: | grr. I've been a very happy non-middle clicker all my life & now this. |
| [21:02:19] | justinh: | why does simple stuff like this have to be so fricking *hard* in linux still? |
| [21:02:50] | gbee: | s/linux/ubuntu/ |
| [21:02:56] | wagnerrp: | DjMadness: mplayer should be no better/worse at reconstructing it, it uses the exact same decoding libraries |
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| [21:03:17] | wagnerrp: | unless youre using some version of mplayer newer than the last ffmpeg sync a couple months ago |
| [21:03:19] | justinh: | gbee: does the distro you use have a nice mouse config app which lets you map buttons & stuff? |
| [21:04:10] | justinh: | let's see what this gpointing-device-settings effort does |
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| [21:09:37] | justinh: | that's a big fat nope |
| [21:10:02] | Wicked: | justinh, you check out any of the community doc pages for mouses? |
| [21:10:03] | Wicked: | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto |
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| [21:14:41] | justinh: | that's about as clear as mud but thanks |
| [21:15:19] | justinh: | use xinput list to find out the device name then use xinput -set-blah bloah <devicename> where <devicename> is one super-long FO string |
| [21:15:55] | gbee: | heh yeah |
| [21:17:10] | justinh: | I wouldn't care but this has completely frigged my base.xml file beyond recognition |
| [21:17:24] | justinh: | so it's past being a slight annoyance |
| [21:17:49] | justinh: | my editor has hopefully saved a backup |
| [21:18:15] | justinh: | so many posts on getting a mouse working with all its buttons |
| [21:18:41] | gbee: | doesn't look like Mandriva has a great mouse config, you've got a basic thing in the control panel which lets you pick the type of mouse (theoretically picking the right option there would disable middle click but it's not obvious) and then the mouse settings within kde which allow swapping buttons (left/right), speed and some other behaviour but not button mapping |
| [21:18:47] | justinh: | and no, using a <1 1 2 4 5> buttonmap didn't work |
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| [21:20:50] | justinh: | ahh |
| [21:21:16] | justinh: | xinput set-button-map "Microsoft Microsoft 3-Button Mouse with IntelliEye(TM)" 1 1 3 4 5 |
| [21:21:36] | justinh: | sheesh |
| [21:26:10] | Thom-: | guys, when i push D for delete in the recordings window and choose yes, it should remove the chosen recording from my "my recordings" list, am i right? |
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| [21:30:58] | Lexridge: | did something drastic change from .21 to .22 as far as the search forward (right cursor key) goes? I used to be able to just hold it down and search through the program, now it stops after about 2 minutes |
| [21:31:17] | Lexridge: | and I have to keep hitting it to go forward. |
| [21:32:24] | justinh: | Thom-: never seen it called 'my recordings' before |
| [21:33:32] | justinh: | arghhh! putting Option "ButtonMapping" "1 1 3 4 5" in my xorg.conf mouse section isn't working. Bloody beardy people with their perculiar preferences. GRR |
| [21:34:14] | justinh: | so either xorg is being overruled by something, or something has replaced it |
| [21:34:42] | justinh: | I've a mind to open a bug on this |
| [21:35:45] | justinh: | anyway Thom- yes it should delete both the file and the preview file, also the database entry |
| [21:36:44] | Thom-: | sorry justinh, i'm using the german version – i just assumed its named my recordings in the english version |
| [21:37:15] | Thom-: | justinh, any idea why that function would do ... nothing? |
| [21:38:16] | justinh: | I bet it's doing *something* |
| [21:38:22] | justinh: | look in your backend log |
| [21:41:33] | Thom-: | the log is pretty full, do you know a keyword i have to look for? (delete, remove or something.. there is no keyword delete and remove appears only with some network device information) |
| [21:42:20] | justinh: | tail the log & try more delete actions |
| [21:42:53] | justinh: | arghh WT Fuse is there having an xorg.conf file if the OS just ignores it?! |
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| [21:50:23] | justinh: | whee fixed it. the xml not the mouse config |
| [21:51:56] | Elv13_: | Hi, I just installed mythbuntu and I got some problems. First, when I enable the TV-out on my radeon 9200, it work, but the video freeze every second and go double speed the next second. It go smoothly on my 1280x1024 CRT monitor |
| [21:52:36] | wagnerrp: | likely issues with a 2x deint, and a tv running at <2x the video framerate |
| [21:52:52] | justinh: | i.e. you need to overclock your teevee |
| [21:53:08] | Elv13_: | or downclock my card, but how? |
| [21:53:19] | wagnerrp: | likely, mythtv is trying to play at 2x30fps, but failing to do so on a TV running at 59.97fps |
| [21:53:30] | justinh: | if cooling is a problem, run a hosepipe in & just spray water into the back continuously |
| [21:53:30] | Elv13_: | 29.97 |
| [21:54:35] | justinh: | don't use bob 2x deinterlacing |
| [21:54:50] | justinh: | or greedy 2x deinterlacing |
| [21:54:50] | wagnerrp: | switch to any of the 1x filters, and see what happens |
| [21:55:02] | Elv13_: | how |
| [21:55:07] | justinh: | utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback |
| [21:55:08] | Elv13_: | (i am new to mythtv) |
| [21:55:23] | justinh: | you could always read the manual in the wiki. dunno how up to date it is though |
| [21:55:28] | wagnerrp: | it will be 3 pages in, you have to edit one of the fields, and its on the second page |
| [21:56:02] | Elv13_: | it is not possible to force the TV card to use 30fps? |
| [21:56:28] | wagnerrp: | well thats the other problem |
| [21:56:49] | wagnerrp: | any TV out (svideo/composite) will be running at 30fps |
| [21:56:57] | wagnerrp: | rather than the 60fps needed to use a 2x deint |
| [21:57:04] | wagnerrp: | so its outright impossible to do so |
| [21:57:51] | Thom-: | justinh, ok tried some tests -> when i push the button "yes, please delete" i get nothing in my mythbackend.log |
| [21:57:55] | Elv13_: | look like my v-video out go at 60fps, even if its too much |
| [21:58:07] | wagnerrp: | 60 fields/second, 30 frames/second |
| [21:58:25] | wagnerrp: | the 2x deint filters need to run at 60 frames/second |
| [21:58:40] | wagnerrp: | (or 25/50 depending on your locale) |
| [21:59:04] | Elv13_: | Ok, I will try that in a min, but before I got a second question. Does someone here use MyMote iPhone remote for Mythtv? |
| [21:59:26] | wagnerrp: | i use the telnet interface, but not the mymote program specifically |
| [21:59:36] | Elv13_: | telnet work |
| [21:59:48] | Chicago: | speaking of telnet... |
| [21:59:55] | Elv13_: | but myMote is a real frontend, it display channal list, programming and details |
| [22:00:01] | Elv13_: | it would be much better |
| [22:00:24] | Elv13_: | I can't get it to work. I made the database public (not 127.0.0.1), opened all port (6540–6549) and enabled lirc |
| [22:00:34] | Chicago: | How do I use KDE's konsole like an ANSI-BBS ascii terminal? |
| [22:00:44] | wagnerrp: | lirc has nothing to do with mymote |
| [22:00:52] | wagnerrp: | it uses the telnet interface to connect to the frontend |
| [22:00:59] | Elv13_: | but it does not work. If someone got an iPhone or ipod touch here, can you test it, its free |
| [22:01:06] | wagnerrp: | as for why its not accessing the database... i dont know |
| [22:01:14] | wagnerrp: | likely a mysql permissions issue |
| [22:02:24] | Elv13_: | wagnerrp: I granted every possible privilieges |
| [22:02:47] | Elv13_: | I can connect remotly using the command line |
| [22:03:04] | Elv13_: | mysql -u mythtv2 -p -h 192.168.2.238 work |
| [22:03:15] | wagnerrp: | you did a "grant all on mythconverg.* to 'user'@'iphoneip' identified by 'pass';"? |
| [22:03:38] | Elv13_: | if I execute that command, the backend does not load anymore |
| [22:03:53] | Elv13_: | but the host is set to % in phpmyadmin |
| [22:04:38] | wagnerrp: | so you just granted access carte blanch to the whole network |
| [22:04:47] | wagnerrp: | i surely hope you dont have port 3306 open to the internet |
| [22:05:25] | Elv13_: | no, its fine, I have a NAT |
| [22:05:57] | Elv13_: | but with that command, it should work, right? |
| [22:06:13] | wagnerrp: | your iphone is using the local WIFI, rather than trying to use its cell modem? |
| [22:06:45] | Elv13_: | its an ipod touch |
| [22:06:59] | Elv13_: | telnet work |
| [22:07:18] | Elv13_: | the RRgh remote too |
| [22:07:25] | Elv13_: | its just mymote |
| [22:07:39] | wagnerrp: | do you specify a machine to connect to? or does it provide a list of available frontends? |
| [22:07:41] | Elv13_: | but as it is a much more complex apps, I think its normal |
| [22:08:07] | Elv13_: | I have specified the backend adress and it autodetected my frontend using avahi |
| [22:08:14] | Elv13_: | but it may be the problem |
| [22:08:27] | Elv13_: | avahi is not well configured in my network |
| [22:08:43] | wagnerrp: | no, you have it backwards |
| [22:08:59] | wagnerrp: | avahi is an implementation of mDNS, while mythtv uses upnp |
| [22:09:09] | Elv13_: | http://mymote.wikispot.org/Manual/Requirements |
| [22:09:15] | Elv13_: | I followed that |
| [22:09:27] | wagnerrp: | you should have used upnp to find the backend, asked the database settings from the backend to connect to the database, and used the information in the database to connect to the frontend |
| [22:09:58] | Greek-Boy: | wagnerrp: I got VDPAU working |
| [22:10:04] | Greek-Boy: | wagnerrp: I just need to test it with HD content now |
| [22:10:46] | Elv13_: | wagnerrp: MyMote does not have that much config field |
| [22:10:56] | wagnerrp: | its not using avahi for any sort of auto-discovery |
| [22:10:56] | Elv13_: | I can only enter IP and port |
| [22:11:01] | wagnerrp: | it simply uses it for name resolution |
| [22:11:08] | wagnerrp: | in lieu of a proper DNS server |
| [22:11:15] | Elv13_: | according the the mymote wiki, it does |
| [22:11:50] | Elv13_: | but how can I get MyMote to work, what can I do? |
| [22:11:52] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend does not speak mdns, so it would not be able to broadcast to mymote |
| [22:11:53] | Greek-Boy: | i dont get it, my mythfrontend only connects to my remote back end if it is run as root |
| [22:12:11] | Elv13_: | how can I fix that |
| [22:12:18] | wagnerrp: | Greek-Boy: because mythfrontend needs to know where the database is located |
| [22:12:29] | Elv13_: | MyMote see the frontend |
| [22:12:30] | wagnerrp: | and it does so by reading a file that apparently only exists under your root home |
| [22:12:44] | Greek-Boy: | hmmm |
| [22:12:48] | Greek-Boy: | ok |
| [22:12:49] | wagnerrp: | mymote would only be able to see the frontend if it were able to access the database |
| [22:12:55] | Greek-Boy: | i'll try copy the file to my user home |
| [22:13:17] | Elv13_: | wagnerrp: so it can see the database? |
| [22:13:33] | wagnerrp: | if it can find frontends, it can access the database |
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| [22:14:34] | Elv13_: | but can't connect |
| [22:14:43] | wagnerrp: | the only way to do so is to list off what hostnames have the 'NetworkControlEnabled' value set in the database |
| [22:15:00] | Elv13_: | wait, I got it |
| [22:15:08] | rooter7: | I find that WatchRecordings|RecordingOptions no longer identifies the filename of the recording! Who's bright idea was this? How do you know which file to copy over into the archive? |
| [22:15:12] | Elv13_: | I needed to override the adress |
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| [22:15:18] | orogor: | hi here |
| [22:15:27] | orogor: | can i get myth to disable the screen saver? |
| [22:15:29] | Elv13_: | the broken avahi settings send the wrong IP |
| [22:15:32] | wagnerrp: | rooter7: by running mythrename.pl to create symlinks to sensible names |
| [22:15:39] | Elv13_: | focing it worked! |
| [22:15:52] | wagnerrp: | rooter7: by simply understanding what those names mean, and being able to find your recording directly |
| [22:15:57] | orogor: | or control dpms , i have my screen going black after 10 min |
| [22:16:23] | wagnerrp: | rooter7: by running nuvexport, mythvidexport, or any of the other user made scripts that understand what those names mean |
| [22:16:25] | rooter7: | Thanks wagnerrp, but how is it that after years there is no sensible way to simply move a recording into Archive? This is astounding. |
| [22:16:39] | wagnerrp: | what is 'Archive'? |
| [22:16:57] | rooter7: | Permanent video storage, where Videos looks. |
| [22:17:10] | rooter7: | Where recordings won't expire. |
| [22:17:11] | wagnerrp: | there are several plugins that will burn recordings off to archival DVDs |
| [22:17:29] | rooter7: | Nah, I only store on harddisk. |
| [22:17:59] | rooter7: | Astounding. |
| [22:18:06] | wagnerrp: | if you mean 'MythVideo'... try http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6680 |
| [22:18:17] | justinh: | rooter7: disable autoexpire on a recording |
| [22:18:25] | justinh: | it's not hard |
| [22:18:50] | justinh: | and you can still find out the filename of a recording |
| [22:19:01] | rooter7: | Well the way I use it is Watch Recordings is transient, and I watch oldet first, deleting most. |
| [22:19:20] | rooter7: | And a few Imove to Archive. (Videos) |
| [22:19:53] | justinh: | the DETAILS button brings up program details directly |
| [22:20:12] | rooter7: | Archive has subdirectories called Movies, Series, Specials, Pr0n, etc. |
| [22:20:31] | justinh: | and the programme details option is still available from the INFO menu |
| [22:20:48] | justinh: | when in the prog details screen press INFO to access the more detailed view |
| [22:20:52] | rooter7: | I don't know what corresponds to Details button on keyboard. |
| [22:20:55] | justinh: | U |
| [22:21:07] | justinh: | the manual says so |
| [22:21:30] | justinh: | my patience for people who can't be bothered to RTFM is at an all-time low |
| [22:21:37] | rooter7: | Don't know how to get Prog Details either. |
| [22:21:56] | justinh: | same way as always |
| [22:22:05] | justinh: | press INFO with a recording selected |
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| [22:22:14] | justinh: | select the recording options menu item |
| [22:22:19] | justinh: | programme details is in there |
| [22:22:23] | rooter7: | OK, so U-I gets it. Thanks. |
| [22:22:52] | justinh: | somebody (not me) decided it'd be nice to have 2 views there |
| [22:22:57] | rooter7: | I've read the whole manual, but have forgotten it over time and only remember what I regularly use. |
| [22:23:29] | justinh: | god help me when I get round to rejigging the menus |
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| [22:25:13] | wagnerrp: | you think he actually looked at that ticket? the one that does EXACTLY what hes looking to do |
| [22:25:47] | justinh: | nope. they never ****ing look |
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| [22:30:15] | trumee: | on my FE i get the following message when quiting mythtv, Error in my_thread_global_end(): 2 threads didn't exit |
| [22:30:23] | trumee: | any idea what the issue might be? |
| [22:30:44] | wagnerrp: | not one you have to worry about |
| [22:30:54] | wagnerrp: | hanging threads will get reaped by the kernel soon enough anyway |
| [22:31:27] | trumee: | sounds good to me. |
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| [22:36:03] | dustybin: | justinh: i gave up on the 1024 x 576 mode, all the text goes far too small for a CRT |
| [22:36:23] | dustybin: | im back to 720 x 576 and using Mythcentre theme, which looks really nice |
| [22:37:06] | dustybin: | I always turned my nose away from mythcentre, but it is infact a nice complete theme |
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| [22:37:10] | justinh: | dunno how anybody can say themes which fall back to default ui.xml files look 'nice'. Functional maybe |
| [22:37:18] | justinh: | which is all they were ever intended to be |
| [22:37:26] | Cardoe: | Need to solve #7493 |
| [22:37:29] | Cardoe: | the wife is getting angry |
| [22:37:42] | dustybin: | Cardoe: we have heard that one before.. |
| [22:38:07] | Cardoe: | yeah |
| [22:38:08] | dustybin: | Cardoe: fire up C++ and get cracking ! |
| [22:38:09] | Cardoe: | Im working on it |
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| [22:38:17] | justinh: | Cardoe: I've seen that on my new machine |
| [22:38:27] | justinh: | 2/3 of the time it starts playback just fine |
| [22:38:41] | Cardoe: | dustybin: if it was a matter of coding something, it'd be super easy |
| [22:39:09] | justinh: | of the rest, it either fails to initialise the hardware or manages to & plays back half speed buffer underrunning as it goes |
| [22:39:30] | Cardoe: | justinh: I've seen that before as well |
| [22:39:31] | dustybin: | im using the bluetube osd, that goes well with mythcentre |
| [22:39:47] | justinh: | and FWIW that's with the latest 'stable' driver |
| [22:39:48] | Cardoe: | justinh: what distro? |
| [22:39:53] | justinh: | buntu |
| [22:40:01] | justinh: | built trunk from source |
| [22:40:16] | Cardoe: | I'm starting to wonder if its their configuration of CPU groups and power management |
| [22:40:19] | Cardoe: | or something like that |
| [22:40:25] | Cardoe: | cause I can't make it happen on Gentoo |
| [22:40:44] | Elv13_: | wagnerrp: I setted desintralacing to none on a new profile called "TV" and its even worst, now I have a slideshow of picture every 3 second instead of freezing video. On the CRT, it still work fine |
| [22:40:44] | Cardoe: | but this box is an ASRock ION 330 with Mythbuntu on it |
| [22:40:57] | justinh: | Cardoe: yeah I've found the CPU freq monitoring util & it was stepping all over the place in normal use |
| [22:41:08] | justinh: | I've not tried playback since fettling it |
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| [22:41:12] | wagnerrp: | Elv13_: set it to 'Slim' |
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| [22:41:50] | justinh: | Cardoe: I need to find out how to set it permanently |
| [22:42:14] | justinh: | this kind of stuff should be *disabled* on everything but laptops/netbooks |
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| [22:42:17] | justinh: | by default |
| [22:42:18] | Elv13_: | wagnerrp: I have no "slim" in the list |
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| [22:42:41] | Cardoe: | justinh: lemme know if you do. |
| [22:42:47] | Cardoe: | and it works :-D |
| [22:42:49] | wagnerrp: | you should have a Slim unless you deleted it |
| [22:43:05] | Elv13_: | one field, linear, kernel, greedy, yadif, intrelaced, none and bob, all in 1x or 2x |
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| [22:43:28] | Greek-Boy: | wagnerrp: My VDPAU is working very good except for the fact that i'm getting some tearing :( |
| [22:43:30] | wagnerrp: | not a deint, a playback profile |
| [22:43:35] | justinh: | Cardoe: found this: http://www.webupd8.org/2009/10/how-to-disable . . . equency.html |
| [22:43:54] | justinh: | Cardoe: looks messy for a mythbuntu setup, but I bet they know over in their channel |
| [22:44:47] | justinh: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1282999 might be of use |
| [22:45:11] | Greek-Boy: | wagnerrp: i still can't run my mythfrontend as the user because it asks for the database but it can't find it. i fi run it as root it finds it. does it sound like a permissions issue? |
| [22:45:29] | trumee: | is it possible to get audio of the second program in PIP? |
| [22:45:45] | wagnerrp: | no, it sounds like a 'you dont have the file mythfrontend wants' issue |
| [22:45:54] | wagnerrp: | that file is ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [22:46:08] | wagnerrp: | so copy it from your root's home, to the home of whatever user you want to run mythfrontend as |
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| [22:46:29] | justinh: | Cardoe: looks like hand editing the /etc/init.d/ondemand script would do it :) |
| [22:46:31] | Greek-Boy: | ok |
| [22:46:40] | Elv13_: | wagnerrp: Slim did not help, its a slideshow too (a frame every 3 second) |
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| [22:47:34] | messerting: | Hi, does anyone have experience in scanning for HD channels (DVB-C, free-to-air channels)? |
| [22:47:52] | messerting: | I've read that the program w_scan doesnt support HD channels |
| [22:48:31] | Elv13_: | wagnerrp: A detail that I forgot to tell, the sound freeze too, not only the image |
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| [22:48:41] | messerting: | The reason I ask, is that I think my cable company have some FTA channels in HD for testing, but my w_scan haven't found them... |
| [22:49:12] | Greek-Boy: | justinh: Which CPU monitoring util are u using? |
| [22:52:18] | justinh: | CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor |
| [22:52:28] | Chicago: | messerting, do you choose QAM-256 when you're scanning for the unencrypted FTA channels from the cable company? |
| [22:53:13] | messerting: | Chicago: yes |
| [22:53:16] | justinh: | get the audio of the program in the PiP?! WTF planet are these aunts on?! |
| [22:53:45] | Chicago: | messerting, do you find any? |
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| [22:55:15] | messerting: | Chicago: hm, well, actually I can see a couple of crypted HD channels in the list. So I guess it means there are no FTA channels right now :( |
| [22:55:34] | wagnerrp: | messerting: i sure hope youre not scanning 'QAM-256' |
| [22:55:41] | justinh: | Cardoe: dunno if it's just the recent reinstall or the fact I've changed the cpu freq governing but I can't make the playback fail to start anymore |
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| [22:55:55] | messerting: | wagnerrp: why? |
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| [22:55:57] | justinh: | and it's coping just fine with everything I can throw at it |
| [22:55:58] | Chicago: | wagnerrp, why shouldn't he be scanning QAM-256? |
| [22:56:17] | wagnerrp: | because hes from norway |
| [22:56:22] | Chicago: | lol |
| [22:56:23] | Chicago: | okay |
| [22:56:24] | Chicago: | :) |
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| [22:57:51] | ** messerting not following... :$ ** | |
| [22:58:40] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, it seems DVB-C does use QAM, its only ATSC that does not |
| [22:58:45] | Chicago: | messerting, I guess I am not sure how your cable company multiplexes the signal on the wire. Here is the US, QAM-256 is good. and 8VSB or OTA... but I don't know what you use. |
| [23:00:16] | messerting: | All my DVB-C channels are QAM_256 as far as I can see |
| [23:00:37] | justinh: | DVB uses QAM |
| [23:01:38] | justinh: | it wouldn't be DVB if it wasn't Quadrature Amplitude Modulated ;-) |
| [23:02:04] | Elv13_: | wagnerrp: I tried all default profiles (CPU+, ++, --) and all of the fail to provide smooth TV. The sound and video just lagg |
| [23:02:27] | wagnerrp: | i was thinking of COFDM, but thats something completely different |
| [23:02:32] | Chicago: | Elv13, do you have AGP video with MTRRs not set to write-caching? |
| [23:02:41] | justinh: | wagnerrp: that's for DAB over here |
| [23:02:59] | justinh: | I thought it was CODFM.. hrm |
| [23:03:04] | Greek-Boy: | justinh: In which version of ubuntu are u running that util? |
| [23:03:21] | Elv13_: | Chicago: I have AGP, it use the default settings. The video is smooth, but only on the CRT, not the TV |
| [23:03:27] | justinh: | nope. cofdm. CODFM is a radio station for fishies |
| [23:03:40] | justinh: | Greek-Boy: Karmic pain in the rectum |
| [23:03:52] | wagnerrp: | justinh: well its used for all DVB-T |
| [23:04:12] | justinh: | the one that won't let me remap my middle mouse button to *nothing* |
| [23:04:27] | Greek-Boy: | lol |
| [23:04:38] | Elv13_: | Chicago: Can it be the problem? My audio lagg too if I use TV-OUT |
| [23:04:41] | justinh: | I might have to get the big guns out |
| [23:04:54] | wagnerrp: | although im at a loss to how it can run COFDM and 64QAM at the same time |
| [23:05:09] | Chicago: | Elv13_, On AGP video, MTRRs make a huge impact on performance. |
| [23:05:47] | Elv13_: | Chicago: But wouldn't it affect VGA-0 too? Not just s-vid? |
| [23:05:51] | Chicago: | Elv13, plus if the capabilities of your motherboard support fast writes and side band addressing, you'l want to use them too. |
| [23:06:04] | Chicago: | Elv13_, I don't know why you don't see the same thing on s-vid as you do on VGA> |
| [23:06:11] | justinh: | wagnerrp: COFDM is only used on VHF apparently |
| [23:06:58] | Elv13_: | Chicago: Because a TV can only display 29.97 FPS (NTSC), so mythtv or my TV get crazy |
| [23:07:01] | mzb: | Elv13_, if using nv try disabling deinterlace for TV out (not required) |
| [23:07:02] | wagnerrp: | 174–230 and 470–862 |
| [23:07:08] | wagnerrp: | its used for the full range |
| [23:08:08] | Elv13_: | mzb: I tryied to create a TV profile in MythTV without deinterlacing, it was worst |
| [23:08:22] | mzb: | use "Slim" but disable deinterlace |
| [23:08:27] | Chicago: | Elv13_, so are you on nvidia? If you are there is a VSYNC option to specify which twinview display to sync to. |
| [23:08:45] | bobgill: | Just did update and having some MySQL errors: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1681549 |
| [23:08:58] | Elv13_: | mzb: it does not work |
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| [23:09:23] | Elv13_: | Chicago: I am on ATI, an old 9200 |
| [23:09:39] | Elv13_: | I use xrandrt |
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| [23:09:45] | Elv13_: | xrandr* |
| [23:10:17] | wagnerrp: | bobgill: you would have to ask your distro about that one |
| [23:10:21] | wagnerrp: | thats not a mythtv error |
| [23:10:44] | bobgill: | oh ok |
| [23:11:21] | wagnerrp: | thats some script provided by your distro trying to run mysql_check, but not properly providing the root password |
| [23:12:08] | Elv13_: | Chicago, mzb: any idea? |
| [23:12:39] | JohnP789: | Hot dog! My HD HomeRun has shipped! |
| [23:12:49] | wagnerrp: | the best 'idea' would be to grab an old nvidia 6200 or 7300 |
| [23:13:04] | wagnerrp: | that card is in a very bad middle ground |
| [23:13:11] | wagnerrp: | too old to be supported by ATI |
| [23:13:17] | wagnerrp: | too new for decent support by the OSS drivers |
| [23:15:01] | tzanger: | I just picked up an nvidia 8500gs |
| [23:15:05] | tzanger: | or 8400, I can't remember |
| [23:15:20] | wagnerrp: | PCIe... not relevant to the conversation |
| [23:15:24] | tzanger: | gotta get a damned right-angle riser though |
| [23:15:58] | tzanger: | I wouldn't mind supporting ATI, I've worked with them in the past and they're local, but it seems they're worse than nvidia |
| [23:16:20] | wagnerrp: | its a shame theres not more riser supporting cases |
| [23:16:47] | tzanger: | indeed |
| [23:16:57] | tzanger: | I have an LC19, that was even tricky to get |
| [23:17:00] | wagnerrp: | you cant make a modern machine for use with an analog TV without a discrete card |
| [23:17:17] | wagnerrp: | no one supports svideo/composite any longer |
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| [23:17:33] | tzanger: | I have an M2NPV-VM, which was great but the damned nvidia in there is just shy of vdpau |
| [23:17:49] | wagnerrp: | 7150? |
| [23:17:53] | tzanger: | yeah I think so |
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| [23:18:04] | tzanger: | 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] (rev a2) |
| [23:18:07] | tzanger: | 6150 |
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| [23:19:35] | leebier: | there we go :) |
| [23:20:37] | leebier: | ok, my question: is there an apt-get package still available anywhere for .21? i want to set up a front-end and the .22 won't read my old mythconverg, not really ready to upgrade the backend yet |
| [23:21:32] | wagnerrp: | honestly, the backend has been perfectly usable for the last year |
| [23:21:38] | wagnerrp: | its the frontend that has been finicky |
| [23:22:02] | leebier: | is that a response to me? or someone who asked something before i came in? |
| [23:22:08] | wagnerrp: | you |
| [23:22:21] | wagnerrp: | dont know anything about the debian/ubuntu packages |
| [23:22:36] | leebier: | that is all a fair point, and maybe i didn't sufficiently research, but i have a perfectly working set-top front-end/bandend combo working great |
| [23:22:49] | leebier: | and am not really looking to do an upgrade project at the moment |
| [23:23:01] | wagnerrp: | you are wanting to set up a second frontend? |
| [23:23:01] | Elv13_: | I just made few test, I can play Movie in VLC just fine on my TV and I can't play TV in myth |
| [23:23:23] | leebier: | yep, and i got a message that the .22 frontend can't read the .21 backend db (on the 1st ox) |
| [23:23:26] | Elv13_: | So its really some kind of computed video problem |
| [23:23:31] | Elv13_: | badly out of sync |
| [23:23:43] | wagnerrp: | the frontend will not update the backend unless you force it to |
| [23:23:53] | wagnerrp: | however if you do, then your 0.21 backend will cease to function |
| [23:24:09] | leebier: | all i want is .21 frontend to put on the 2nd box |
| [23:24:18] | leebier: | in which case everything will talk to each other |
| [23:24:31] | wagnerrp: | if nothing else, you can always grab the source and compile yourself |
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| [23:24:46] | wagnerrp: | but 0.22 is only a couple weeks old |
| [23:24:55] | wagnerrp: | the old 0.21 packages should not have been flushed already |
| [23:24:55] | leebier: | i was hoping to avoid compiling |
| [23:25:18] | highzeth: | leebier: checked in /var/cache/apt/archive on your working 0.21? |
| [23:25:58] | highzeth: | if you havent apt-get clean'd you might find the packages you need there, and just dpkg -i 'package' them |
| [23:26:53] | leebier: | to make sure i understand, i can cp the deb from the first box to the 2nd box and then use it/ |
| [23:27:24] | highzeth: | sure, it will be a manual install, but unless you're looking to upgrade, its perfectly ok solution |
| [23:28:14] | leebier: | alas, i'm not seeing any mythtv debs in there |
| [23:28:23] | leebier: | (or anywhere) |
| [23:29:24] | highzeth: | *shrugs* check mythbuntu's repos then, might be they havent flushed their old .21 yet |
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| [23:31:49] | highzeth: | that said, Im with wagnerrp regarding stability on 0.22 |
| [23:33:20] | leebier: | i have no objection to .22, but converting everything and the like, just sounds like something that's an afternoon-long exercise |
| [23:33:30] | leebier: | and this isn't the weekend i have the afternoon to do it |
| [23:33:38] | wagnerrp: | if all goes well, its 10 minutes |
| [23:33:44] | leebier: | i did have 5 minutes to install a deb on my other box ;) |
| [23:33:50] | highzeth: | the db upgrade might take a lil while depending on your hw, but not a long time |
| [23:33:54] | leebier: | ah, right, if all goes well, and things ALWAYS doo :) |
| [23:34:03] | wagnerrp: | and assuming you dont have corruption in your database, all should go well |
| [23:34:37] | leebier: | anyway, the attitude of the channel is normally, if it isn't broken, don't fix it :) |
| [23:35:53] | highzeth: | http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/fixes-0.21 . . . in/m/mythtv/ |
| [23:35:56] | EvilBob: | Where is the best place to find information on the 0.22 release, I am wanting to tune/adjust how the guide is displayed. |
| [23:35:56] | highzeth: | there you go |
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| [23:36:25] | leebier: | thanks highzeth, i've been googling uncessfully for that for a bit |
| [23:36:46] | highzeth: | dont google, go straight to the source |
| [23:38:21] | highzeth: | you could also use their repo installer and choose fixes(unless they have removed that option) |
| [23:40:01] | EvilBob: | Seems to me in the past I could adjust the number of rows, columns and font in the guide from the UI. Is this no longer the case? Do I have to tweak it some other way now? |
| [23:40:14] | leebier: | thanks ;0 |
| [23:41:51] | bobgill: | I'm getting this from be.log file when trying to launch my FE: > 2009-11–21 18:34:29.557 MainServer::HandleVersion – Client speaks protocol version 40 but we speak 50! |
| [23:41:59] | bobgill: | but i just upgraded both boxes to same version |
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| [23:42:55] | neon_: | need some help have an usb tv tuner, i get channels but no sound, it is an avermedia volar mx hybrid, i get channels with tvtime also but no sound, if i use an OTA antenna with digital signal i get pictures and sound, any suggestions thx |
| [23:45:14] | bobgill: | oops nevermind that's mythweb i just have to update it |
| [23:45:39] | Wicked: | hmm. any ideas when i search from themoviedb(using the web) it finds the movie im looking for.....but there is no poster or description written....but interestingly enough a search on google turns up a themoviedb page for the movie with full poster,description,backdrop....but i cannot find the movie through themoviedb |
| [23:46:39] | Wicked: | the movie is "The Aristocrats" the movie is http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/25127 but if you look on http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/ . . . /images%3Fq% |
| [23:46:39] | Wicked: | 3DThe%2BAristocrats%2Bposter%26imgsz%3Dxga%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26um%3D1 its the full movie description and everything |
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| [23:46:51] | Wicked: | oh wow. that didnt paste write lol |
| [23:47:22] | Wicked: | the tinyurl of that long one is http://tinyurl.com/ykeoqpu |
| [23:48:00] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: there may be multiple entries for the same movie |
| [23:48:18] | wagnerrp: | that could have been updated in the last several hours, and not hit the API servers yet |
| [23:48:20] | Wicked: | i thought that too. but through the web search there are only 2 matches |
| [23:48:41] | Wicked: | im just gonna edit the one that the themoviedb finds |
| [23:48:42] | wagnerrp: | the API servers could have bad data due to the site being under heavy load and the query timing out |
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| [23:48:54] | Wicked: | im not using the api's to do this. |
| [23:49:05] | Wicked: | im using themoviedb web search |
| [23:49:17] | Wicked: | ie goto themoviedb website and search there. |
| [23:51:24] | Wicked: | oh well no harm to foul. ive gone and changed the entry to match the one google found |
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| [23:55:29] | wagnerrp: | better to merge the data into one, and request a deletion of the other on the forum |
| [23:57:03] | superm1: | Cardoe, pong |
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