Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, November 20th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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Dagmar:

...then mount their head on a pike as a warning to others.

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Dibblah:

ls -l `which mythfrontend` `which mythbackend`

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Dibblah:

Sounds like there are old binaries lying around.

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Dagmar:

Can't be old binaries lying around on a brand new clean install

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mauijoe:

http://pastebin.com/m153603ba

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Dibblah:

mauijoe: Are the packages you're installing coming from an official repository?

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mauijoe:

not opensuse but from trusted community listing

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Dagmar:

So, I reiterate my "head on a pike" position.

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wagnerrp:

run 'mythbackend --version', and 'mythfrontend --version', just for kicks

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Dagmar:

...and pastebin in

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wagnerrp:

if they do not return the same data, continue with Dagmar's plan

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mauijoe:

both say .22

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brad2:

anyone familiar with progress bars for themes? I have one that i made the layout "vertical" hoping to use it as a volume display. But it seems to fill upside down (going from top downwards, instead of bottom upwards) any idea how i can fix that?

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brad2:

i looked at the wiki, but i can't seem to find the answer

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Dagmar:

Head on a pike time then

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wagnerrp:

are you running the backend from an init script, that has the backend stored elsewhere than $PATH?

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mauijoe:

strange found another link on google to the sam repository. loaded it directly from website instead of from yast2

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mauijoe:

setup now hasw same gui as fe and not the old gnat

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wagnerrp:

because its not possible that you are running a 0.22 backend, and it is complaining about too new a database revision

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wagnerrp:

even were you running a trunk frontend, mythvideo is the only thing that has bumped revisions

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Dagmar:

mauijoe: Didn't you just say this was a new, clean fresh install

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Dagmar:

Her'es an idea.

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Dagmar:

Reboot the machine.

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mauijoe:

it was

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mauijoe:

dunno whu yast picked up different be and setup

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Dagmar:

It's not just enough that sometime in the distant past the machine was once rebooted.

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mauijoe:

all is good now

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Dagmar:

We want you to reboot it now.

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Dagmar:

Oh now it's all working fine?

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mauijoe:

after the package download/install from website

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Dagmar:

When did that happen?

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Dagmar:

Just say, a couple of minutes ago?

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Dibblah:

Gah. Listening to Dagmar is like watching someone picking a scab.

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mauijoe:

i just found another link directly to the repository website as opposed to installing via yast2 (suse's packemanager)

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Dagmar:

Dibblah: It seems he's found new failure states. You don't want to know what caused them?

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Dagmar:

'cuz they're likely to happen to other people.

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Dibblah:

Truely? No.

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Dagmar:

You realize of course this means that I'll be referring these people to you by name now, right?

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Dagmar:

;)

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Dibblah:

What I want is for my Myth touchscreen in the kitchen to magically start working (wake on touch would be nice), my central heating control software to write itsself, my whole house audio to wire itsself,...

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Dibblah:

... And world peace.

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wagnerrp:

the touchscreeen isnt just USB?

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mauijoe:

thx for all the help. gotta go to work now :( But atleast I can record tonight :)

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wagnerrp:

or PS2?

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Dibblah:

Serial.

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wagnerrp:

mmm...

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Dagmar:

egads

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Dagmar:

Well, that's nice and old then isn't it

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that doesnt do S3 wake too gracefully

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Dibblah:

Hey, it was £35 for the touchscreen + LCD.

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Dibblah:

... Which isn't too bad for a SAW screen.

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Dagmar:

Some little 15" CRT with a touchscreen then?

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Dibblah:

17"

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Dagmar:

nice

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Dibblah:

LCD, 1024x768.

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Dagmar:

Considering anything else would cost 10x that, I woudln't complain at all

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Dagmar:

Hell I wish I could score something like that here for even $50 USD

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Dibblah:

Yeah, I'm not. But it does mean I have to write some software for a uC.

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Dibblah:

Which can distinguish a specific touch.

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Dibblah:

The protocol isn't too bad, which helps.

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mangus580:

wow, I want a screen like that!

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Dibblah:

Why? It looks like a normal LCD, with a sheet of 1/4" glass in front of it.

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mangus580:

I like touch LCD's :-)

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Dagmar:

Because I'm not sh**ting you about "10x the cost"

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mangus580:

especially 'cheap' ones

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Dagmar:

There's two 40" touchscreen overlays in the back here

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Dagmar:

Someone ordered the wrong bloody size for some kiosk displays, but we made do and made 'em work

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Dibblah:

http://pendor.org/shared/kitchen-touchscreen.jpg

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wagnerrp:

well those are pricey...

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wagnerrp:

touchscreens that size are often just as much as the display itself

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Dagmar:

They've not been gotten rid of yet because said purchaser doesn't want people seeing the outgoing paperwork which would reveal how much they paid for them new

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Dibblah:

(Ignore the badly matched screen resolution – that's fixed now.

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Dagmar:

You suck, man

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Dagmar:

You suck and I hate you now.

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wagnerrp:

you want a nice brushed aluminum display in your kitchen too?

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Dibblah:

The metalwork was the hardest bit – Welding aluminium is not as easy as it should be.

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Dagmar:

No joke, you are generally not likely to find a touchscreen in the US for less than $300

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Dagmar:

Usually it's double that

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Dibblah:

... And routing it with woodworking tools was... An exercise in bowel control.

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Dibblah:

Thank goodness for cheap TCT router bits and a reasonable router table.

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wagnerrp:

im amazed that theres so little progress in touch screens

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wagnerrp:

i mean theyre small, low resolution, analog more often than not

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wagnerrp:

generally thick and bulky, with poor contrast ratio

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mangus580:

thats awesome

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wagnerrp:

i mean its like they just take all their 5yr old back stock panels, slap a touch screen on it, and sell it for 10x the price

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Dibblah:

The screens were from some sort of industrial control system that didn't sell.

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Dibblah:

So the guy had boxes and boxes of the bulky whole "display unit".

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mangus580:

I presume he doesnt have any more LOL

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Dibblah:

... Shipping was the most expensive part – So I bought 4. For £120.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: the droid is now a 3.7" 480x854 touchscreen display. it is getting better

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wagnerrp:

so tiny

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wagnerrp:

what good is that going to be from halfway across the room

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mangus580:

sounds about the same as the touch-pro-2

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kormoc:

ooh, you mean touch tv screens

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wagnerrp:

see Dibblah's photo

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kormoc:

so what's the point in a touch screen halfway across the room? ;)

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kormoc:

ahh

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** wagnerrp slaps kormoc **

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wagnerrp:

stop making me look the fool.... :P

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** kormoc laughs **

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Dibblah:

Hence why I was so excited at all of gbee's most excellent UI work.

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mangus580:

here is one of my touchscreen projects http://www.wesleyscott.com/modules.php?set_al . . . ew_album.php

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Dibblah:

It is *so* close to usable.

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Dibblah:

mangus580: Transreflective?

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mangus580:

I wish!

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wagnerrp:

mangus580: yeah, ive been meaning to do something like that to my car for a year or two

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wagnerrp:

theres just no real functional interfaces available for linux

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wagnerrp:

maybe with all this nettop stuff going around, that will change

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mangus580:

yeah.... I am using centrafuse

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mangus580:

runs on windows, but does a decent job

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wagnerrp:

the problem is that if i ever started such a project

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mangus580:

LOL

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wagnerrp:

id probably end up spending a couple grand getting the hardware to tie it into the existing databusses

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mangus580:

:-)

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mangus580:

that depends on what your car is I guess

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wagnerrp:

well youve got OBD data which is *supposed* to work on any machine

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wagnerrp:

s/machine/car/

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mangus580:

I have an OBD2 cord... to read from mine

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mangus580:

the real trick... is getting the software to work with the nice frontend

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mangus580:

I just have wrong cable

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wagnerrp:

but i was talking more voltage taps and an A/D board to read straight off the sensors

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wagnerrp:

plus tie-ins with windows, climate, ...

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mangus580:

I wouldnt bother on the sensors

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mangus580:

windows and climate... (year depending) can be easy

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mangus580:

http://www.phidgets.com/

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wagnerrp:

well climate would be difficult, its all analog (same panel as yours)

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mangus580:

ahh

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mangus580:

I fried my climate panel once :-(

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mangus580:

but phidgets even has a thermocouple input board... letting you even setup a pyrometer :-)

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mangus580:

my goal is to eventually give the wife control of interior maplights, and a backup cam, and 1–2 interior 'kid' cams

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mangus580:

I need a usb video input device though, that I can somehow interface with my software... so I gave up on the cameras

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt use the standard windows capture API?

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mangus580:

the software?

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mangus580:

dont think so

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wagnerrp:

well my whole idea for such a system was something to replace my now defunct onstar unit

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mangus580:

:-)

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wagnerrp:

stick it in the trunk hooked up to the existing cable harness

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wagnerrp:

buy a nokia tablet and use it as a networked interface to the unit

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mangus580:

what car do you have?

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wagnerrp:

grand prix

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mangus580:

year?

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wagnerrp:

'03

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mangus580:

ahh

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mangus580:

you are in the year where things start to get difficult

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mangus580:

just removing your stock radio, you lose features in the car

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wagnerrp:

well i wouldnt remove it, i would interface with it using the override capability of the onstar harness

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mangus580:

yup

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wagnerrp:

but once i discovered my onstar unit was mono... that plan died off quickly

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mangus580:

heh

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mangus580:

but, your onstar unit DOES have a GPS that you can tap

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but its a big ol' board, and i would have to solder up a serial interface to it

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mangus580:

agreed

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mangus580:

I just have a holux GPS stuffed in the dash

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wagnerrp:

besides, a modern unit would probably be more accurate and reliable, even without access to the antenna

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mangus580:

well you could always still hijack the antenna :-) or even replace it

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wagnerrp:

but then the unit still has to be in the trunk

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wagnerrp:

or i have to tear apart half the car rerouting wiress

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mangus580:

http://store.mp3car.com/Roof_top_GPS_Cellular . . . /com-008.htm

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mangus580:

just replace it :-) and run it where you want

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Essobi:

nice

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mangus580:

I will be duplicating my setup here soon

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mangus580:

as I picked up another suburban for myself

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mangus580:

(the first one is the wifes!)

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Essobi:

any big suvs are pretty cheap these days

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mangus580:

these are both diesels :-)

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mangus580:

wagnerrp: you get lost in car-pc heaven? LOL

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cba123:

I can't seem to get audio over hdmi from mythmusic. I've tried different outputs and nothing. I can get it through MythVideo though, and if I manually do "mplayer -ao alsa:device=hdmi /path/to/file" it plays, but not if I put "alsa:device=hdmi" in my general settings tab. Any ideas?

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grndslm:

you know what would be awesome...

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mangus580:

uh oh

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grndslm:

if there were a background web host preconfigured to let you select between different streaming formats, like so... http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/palm . . . -orbpre4.jpg

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grndslm:

so i could watch recordings from my pre

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grndslm:

with .3gp format

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grndslm:

or whatever format i chose

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grndslm:

choose

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roy_hobbs:

Are there drivers for this card?: ATI Theater 550 PRO PCIe [1002:4D53]

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grndslm:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Video_capture_cards

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roy_hobbs:

grndslm: so no if it's not listed there?

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grndslm:

i'm guessing no, but i don't know shit

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grndslm:

seriously tho... seeing mythtv on my phone would be amazing

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grndslm:

http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/palm . . . -orbpre6.jpg

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grndslm:

but it prolly wouldn't be able to look like that with mythtv on the pre... so even just a nicely organized page with some links to .3gp [or whatever format i choose] files would be too slick

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grndslm:

just configure the backend for which shows you want to record and have it do it automatically

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tzanger:

yeah this MG800HD is going back

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tzanger:

nice little box, but I won't put up with someone else's idea of what a media gateway should work like, especially when it's got so many limitations

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tzanger:

atom+ion I guess

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pyther:

ATOM and HD sucks

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wagnerrp:

well we could have told you that one ahead of time

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pyther:

Haha, well I found that out when I first got my feet wet with myth

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pyther:

Same really because I'd be sweet to have an atom as a frontend

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wagnerrp:

thats what the ION is for

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pyther:

*Shame

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wagnerrp:

(atom + 9400M)

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pyther:

And those puppies play HD stuff?

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wagnerrp:

9400M == VDPAU == hardware accelerated mpeg2 and h264 and vc1

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pyther:

Sweet so hopefully in 4 years they become really cheap/more powerful

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pyther:

but hopefully in 4 years I'll have a job, house, and money won't be a big issue for me ;)

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wagnerrp:

four years? why the completely arbitrary and far off point in time?

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JEDIDIAH__:

hullo

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JEDIDIAH__:

how does 0.22 do with TrueHD audio tracks in mt2s files these days?

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wagnerrp:

it can decode, yes... no bitstreaming though

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JEDIDIAH__:

my current revision of trunk just generates a lot of strange screeching.

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JEDIDIAH__:

I was hoping that was fixed in the release.

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pyther:

wagnerrp, well right now I'm in school and I have about 3 years left to go

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wagnerrp:

mythtv was never designed as the bargin DVR solution

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wagnerrp:

and an HD capable frontend is fairly cheap anyway

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pyther:

wagnerrp, well yeah of course, but small is always nice :D

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wagnerrp:

you can get a mid-range dual core micro-atx system or an ION board for ~$150

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mangus580:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500036

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wagnerrp:

tack on another $50 each for case and power supply if you dont have those already

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mangus580:

my favorite ion board (notice the PCI slot so I can get an svid port LOL)

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pyther:

But my folks don't give a crap about this stuff

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pyther:

they think its stupid

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JEDIDIAH__:

with ION frontends mythtv is oddly affordable these days if you don't go overboard...

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wagnerrp:

thats because you havent put their DVD collection on disk yet

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pyther:

wagnerrp, haha, well my biggest weak point is no money for any hardware (poor college kid right now)

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mangus580:

I need to get a dvd player to put in my front end

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mangus580:

so I can rip the rest of my dvd's

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wagnerrp:

pyther: part time job?

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JEDIDIAH__:

even that (the dvd jukebox) isn't terribly expensive anymore.

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pyther:

wagnerrp, have one of those I spend most of the money on gas, car, and books

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pyther:

And then whatever I have left over I spend on my machine (just got some bigger hard drives a month or so ago)

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JEDIDIAH__:

The cost of my first 500G myth drive would get you 4TB of disk space these days...

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wagnerrp:

ive always kept my hard drive buying to the $80-$120 range

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pyther:

I got 2x 750GB drives for about $65 a piece

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pyther:

which I thought was a hell of a deal

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wagnerrp:

nah, you can get 1TBs for around that on sale, and 1.5s for under $90

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wagnerrp:

i saw a 2TB for $115 after rebate

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wagnerrp:

its back up to $140 now

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pyther:

wagnerrp, it was $65 on the spot, no rebates, or any other crap to deal with

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pyther:

I haven't really seen anything much cheaper on newegg

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pyther:

My bad I checked and I got them for $55.99 a piece

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wagnerrp:

1.5TB barracuda for $100... $12 off what you paid

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wagnerrp:

a WD and Samsung 1.5 for $110, still cheaper

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pyther:

wagnerrp, but I got to physical drives, I have them in a RAID I so if one fails, I don't loose all the data

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pyther:

s/to/two

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wagnerrp:

its a great deal for 750s, but you generally want to stay closer to modern drives

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wagnerrp:

one or two sizes behind the largest is generally the best price

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pyther:

I'm just hoping the gps unit i brought works well. I got sick and tired of getting lost and having to ask for directions

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Cardoe_:

superm1: ping when you get a chance

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luux:

I think you meant pong

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Cardoe_:

luux: he pinged me before?

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elmojo:

TWC in my area decided to move NBC HD within a day of my favorite TV night and not only that they put it on channel 75.2 which apparently is causing reception issues

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elmojo:

so I had the wrong channel to begin with and missed everything... then I go and set it to the correct channel and don't get a usable signal

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lwizardl:

hey guys/gals

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lwizardl:

well comcast has to switch out my cable box in the morning. i have a dct6200 with the firewire ports enabled. I am going to ask for the same box and to have the ports enabled again. but if I can't get another 6200 is there another box I should ask for

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lwizardl:

?

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Dagmar:

You can ask for something with in-the-clear analog outputs. :)

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Dagmar:

It's worth a try

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sandeen:

how does one edit menus in the new UI like Terra ... was going to follow the hulu desktop integration method but it talks about mainmenu.xml, which I think is the ... old way?

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lwizardl:

ok I'll see what they say atleast

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lwizardl:

also I was wondering if there was a way to stream/transcode/etc a stream from the comcast dvr boxes to mythtv other than watching the video again and recording from that output like a vcr?

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, ping when/if you have a sec

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iamlindoro:

(no rush)

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Captain_Murdoch:

here but not for long. was about to go offline.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, it's nothing that can't wait, implementing a hash field in MythVideo to allow renames/moves and wanted some advice help with how to get the hash back from a storage group file listing

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iamlindoro:

er advice/help

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, I'll be back online tomorrow. should have been in bed by now, but was trying to get that pulse optimization patch working. thought I had it, then realized that busy dialog wasn't working, and also mythui(text|textedit|webbrowser) also pulse so I need to handle those as well.

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iamlindoro:

no worries at all, would welcome advice on how to make it as efficient as possible since it's going to slow things down (but worth it IMO)

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iamlindoro:

will catch up with you when you can

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok

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lwizardl:

is there was a way to stream/transcode/etc a stream from the comcast hd dvr boxes to mythtv other than watching the video again and recording from that output like a vcr?

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iamlindoro:

no

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ed-211:

is MS the only company still making split keyboards?

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ed-211:

and uhh.. misschan

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strex:

Sup folks. Please help my mythfrontend logs are filled with WriteAudio: buffer underrun's I've tried everything recommended in the wiki, as well as several forums but nothing is working..

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

totally off topic

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mattwj2002:

but I am using a program called play on with my Wii to watch hulu on my tv

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mattwj2002:

:)

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iamlindoro:

Why not use Hulu Desktop and access it directly without the transcode and latency?

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iamlindoro:

Hulu Desktop on a mythbox, that is

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mattwj2002:

hulu Desktop?

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mattwj2002:

you mean in a web browser?

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iamlindoro:

yep

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iamlindoro:

no, I mean Hulu Desktop

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strex:

hulu.com works in *nix

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iamlindoro:

as does hulu desktop

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mattwj2002:

oh okay

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mattwj2002:

well this does more than just hulu

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strex:

that's what I'm saying.. goto hulu.com to get hulu desktop.

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mattwj2002:

it also does youtube, amazon vod.......netflix (not available on linux)

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mattwj2002:

it also does CNN clips too

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mattwj2002:

but right now I am using a 14 day trial

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mattwj2002:

it is $40 software

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mattwj2002:

:(

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iamlindoro:

How dare they ask you to pay for something they worked on and you find valuable

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iamlindoro:

the nerve of some people, right?

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mattwj2002:

it isn't that

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mattwj2002:

I'll probably buy it....

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mattwj2002:

it is just I am broke right now!

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mattwj2002:

I just bought a blu ray player

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mattwj2002:

:)

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strex:

why are you paying for free media?

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mattwj2002:

I am paying for the ability to stream video to my Wii not for free media

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mattwj2002:

big difference

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mattwj2002:

here is the website if anyone is interested

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mattwj2002:

http://www.playon.tv/

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strex:

iamlindoro: are you able to assist with my WriteAudio: buffer underrun's?

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iamlindoro:

strex, I'm sorry, I'm distracted with some other stuff right now

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strex:

iamlindoro: no problem, thanks. When ya can I could use it please.

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Dagmar:

Yowzqa

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Dagmar:

This AOC F22 I just got in is a lot better than I thought

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Dibblah:

WTH?

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** Dibblah votes for less ad breaks in this channel. **

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah's outburst brought to you by Trident. Trident. It's good for your breath!

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justinh:

Buy MythTV case badges

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justinh:

mmmm badgers

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sid3windr:

mushroom mushroom

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justinh:

snaaaaaaaaaaake!

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justinh:

what a crap viral video that was

[08:39:18]

Dibblah:

... Better than annoying frog.

[08:39:23]

Dibblah:

... In a blender.

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justinh:

I did the annoying frog in a microwave. brought some relief from the pain of it being on every ad break my wife refused to skip

[08:41:39]

justinh:

I was amused when I found out people have bothered to put it up on youtube too. I made it long before youtube was a glint in anyone's eye

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

weebl++

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justinh:

RIP weebl+bob

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justinh:

Mmmmmm Pie

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Dibblah:

You should market your viral video skillz.

[08:44:22]

sid3windr:

shiver me shurikens!

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sid3windr:

tis the way of the sea.

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justinh:

I don't think a couple of funny flukes qualify me as a viraler

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justinh:

hmm. ever increasing lag again :-\

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ivor:

gosh, chromeos is pretty slick.

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justinh:

what's that – some linux distro for Via systems?

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justinh:

heh. nope. the google thing. whoops

[09:10:00]

ivor:

heh. google chrome

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ivor:

:)

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ivor:

justwatched the youtube demo

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ivor:

very interesting

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lightpriest:

but i don't get it, how would people install the toolbars and spyware they love?

[09:13:20]

justinh:

Yahoo!

[09:13:42]

lightpriest:

if they didn't love spywares and malwares, then why do people use windows? :P

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[09:15:15]

justinh:

because they like *useful* apps which actually do what they're supposed to do?

[09:15:36]

lightpriest:

you mean notepad? :P

[09:15:42]

justinh:

pro audio editing on linux. Wah wahhhh. pro sequencing in linux... Wah wahhhhhh

[09:15:52]

justinh:

video editing in linux. Whoops

[09:16:34]

lightpriest:

atleast it works at the same speed after 6 months ;p

[09:16:55]

justinh:

never had those kind of problems with my windows machines

[09:17:16]

justinh:

the trick is not to install programs willy-nilly like the rest of windows users apparently do :)

[09:17:27]

lightpriest:

:)

[09:17:40]

lightpriest:

that's what I used to do

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lightpriest:

until ubuntu 9.04

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justinh:

when there are linux programs which do what I want to do *well* I'll switch

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ivor:

oh dear. what did I start? :)

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lightpriest:

bah ;p

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justinh:

MiRC crash or something?

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lightpriest:

heh ;p

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lightpriest:

accidently pressed CTRL+W

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lightpriest:

a combination that works on every app in gnome ;p

[09:19:37]

lightpriest:

because of weird thing called standards :D

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laga_:

gnome HIG++

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lightpriest:

i don't get this chromeos, is it a browser? an OS? an airplane? does it work when you're offline?

[09:21:05]

ivor:

the idea is very intersting

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justinh:

personally I don't want my docs stored in 'the cloud'

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ivor:

and if you watch the demo you'll see it's got quite a few very slick ideas

[09:21:22]

lightpriest:

you mean your pr0n ;p

[09:21:27]

justinh:

I mean my docs

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justinh:

moron

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ivor:

I assume they'll have offline mode like you have with gears

[09:22:15]

justinh:

wonder how the privacy statement for chromeos reads

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justinh:

ivor: which 'demo' video anyway? several are claiming to be demos but a load of them are just running in VMs

[09:23:42]

ivor:

ah.I followed a link from t google blog

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chainsawf:

"we shall use your personal info as we see fit"

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ivor:

via youtube and theres a chromeos channel

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ivor:

I'd paste the link... but it's on the wrong machine. :)

[09:24:14]

lightpriest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMrzw7JFz

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Dibblah:

Woo. Is there anything to do in Manchester airport that does not involve leaving?

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ivor:

youtube.com/user/googlechrome

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justinh:

Dibblah: is there anything to do in manchester that doesn't involve leaving? ;-)

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justinh:

Dibblah: if you can see the M56, time the tailbacks

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ivor:

s/manchester/t' north/

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ivor:

there fixed that for you

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justinh:

okay. now is there a video my crappy duron 900 desktop can play at full framerate?

[09:26:43]

lightpriest:

justinh: are you using mythvideo?

[09:27:20]

justinh:

no I'm at work

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justinh:

youtube doesn't work in mythvideo

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lightpriest:

i meant in general

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justinh:

none of your business

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ivor:

lol

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lightpriest:

ok

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justinh:

I'm gonna have to use a pager on my ignore list soon

[09:29:18]

ivor:

at least it's friday.

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justinh:

yeah. the day my inlaws come to stay for the weekend :-\

[09:30:02]

justinh:

there'll be LONG dog walks

[09:30:04]

ivor:

oh yuck. commiserations.

[09:30:08]

lightpriest:

well, i apologize if i insulted you

[09:30:31]

justinh:

I usually manage to find some excuse to get away for the weekend. It was my birthday last time. They came down here. I went up there.

[09:31:23]

ivor:

hide away with your computer and hack in peace

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justinh:

you think any daughter of a mother in-law would deem that acceptable? lol

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justinh:

at least we're done with the cleaning. there are 2 kinds of cleaning – 1. the normal rigorous regime and 2. OMFG THE QUEEN IS COMING

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ivor:

wow, I'm not alone.

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justinh:

stopped short of cleaning under the floors. Just

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ivor:

it;s always slightly jarring, when i've done it... then 'the boss' re-does it.

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ivor:

then her mother arrives..... and starts cleaning! :D cracks me up every time.

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justinh:

oh jesus. you know it's Children In Need today right.. there's some 'fancy dress' thing going on. One manager has excelled himself by wearing a bow tie

[09:35:45]

ivor:

oh year, forgot about that. cool an evening of debugging.

[09:35:51]

ivor:

s/year/yeah/

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justinh:

lol at least the mother inlaw can't do that

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ivor:

damned netbook keyboards.

[09:36:38]

justinh:

they're not too bad in small doses but when they come to your house...

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ivor:

we had ours for six months once. :(

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justinh:

OUCH

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justinh:

grounds for divorce, to my mind ;-)

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ivor:

precisely five months 29 and a half days too long.

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justinh:

had a nasty accident with my laptop last night. I tripped carrying it out of the kitchen. It landed, full force flat on the floor, closing as it did so, while powered on

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ivor:

ouch

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justinh:

hdd now rattles convincingly

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** ivor points at netbook SSD **

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justinh:

good job I kept the original, mirrored HDD

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justinh:

was back up & running in 10 mins

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justinh:

and the 500GB drive was a freebie anyway, so no big loss

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justinh:

HELP! I upgraded $distro and now $thingwhichdependsonKERNELVERSION doesn't work anymore! lol

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justinh:

Grrr. starting to get a little tired of having to remember so many different logins for sites

[10:00:59]

justinh:

why can't they all just use openid or something?!

[10:02:22]

Dibblah:

If it's the thing which I'm thinking of, it's fixed with a published patch.

[10:03:53]

justinh:

I mean flickr, yahoo, gmail, wikis, hotmail...

[10:04:16]

justinh:

I remember when it was possible to have a flickr account without also needing a bloody yahoo login

[10:04:39]

justinh:

that I can never recall

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justinh:

as in I can't remember the username

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Dibblah:

Uhm... Passwordsafe

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Dibblah:

Or just store it in your browser.

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justinh:

thing is I have multiple accounts on some sites

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justinh:

MPD :)

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justinh:

and getting browsers to remember passwords is great, like saving numbers in your mobile phone

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justinh:

as in – you forget what they really are

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zeltak:

hi guys. looking for the command line switch to resize a svg from 22x22 to 48x48, i there a command for that, the -l and -d swtiches dont seem to be the proper way to do it?

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justinh:

and this is the right channel for that why?

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zeltak:

oops

[10:15:35]

zeltak:

sorry wrong paste window

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zeltak:

sorry guys

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Dibblah:

So then you use passwordsafe.

[10:17:58]

justinh:

is that any good for multiple machines though?

[10:18:32]

Dibblah:

Yes, if you have a USB key...

[10:19:42]

justinh:

so that's a no then

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Dibblah:

What do you want? Some fluffy cloud solution?

[10:20:59]

justinh:

hmm maybe xmarks can do this already

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justinh:

oo it can. nifty :)

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justinh:

2009-11–20 10:37:30.139 Invalid search key in recordid 2051 – wth?!

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Dibblah:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/344931

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Dibblah:

2051...?!?!?

[10:38:55]

Dibblah:

Someone in your house is an _addict_ ;)

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justinh:

ahh 2051 is %electric%proms% (Title Search)

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justinh:

there are only 78 recording rules anyway

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laga_:

justinh: with mozilla weave, you can sync your passwords securely

[10:41:32]

justinh:

I'm not bothered about doing it securely

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justinh:

nothing in my email is crucial to my financial security

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quicksilver:

if you're not bothered abotu doing it securely, then just make them all the same?

[10:42:13]

The_Ball:

Is there a indication that mythfrontend is using vdpau when playing back?

[10:42:27]

justinh:

The_Ball: yeah it doesn't use much CPU

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quicksilver:

then you just have one to remember.

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Makere:

The_Ball: have you set it to use vdpau from the mythtv settings

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laga_:

now i just need a mozilla-ish browser on my phone so i can have my passwords there

[10:42:56]

The_Ball:

Makere, ah, no, I'll follow the guide

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justinh:

if it's eating feckloads of CPU, then vdpau isn't being used. Simples!

[10:42:57]

Makere:

The_Ball: because it will just crash or freeze if you have setup it and it wont for some reason use it

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justinh:

Makere: rubbish

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Makere:

The_Ball: see here http://avenard.com/media/MythTV_%26_VDPAU/MythTV_%26_VDPAU.html

[10:44:05]

Makere:

justinh: well it froze the whole xorg for me, had to reboot before I fixed it

[10:44:20]

justinh:

Makere: that page is OLD

[10:44:23]

justinh:

that info is OLD

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Makere:

if you have set it to use vdpau and you don't have vdpau drivers in use

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justinh:

oh sure

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The_Ball:

I'm using .22 so perhaps http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU is better?

[10:44:45]

Makere:

maybe

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justinh:

definitely

[10:45:58]

Makere:

I wish myth/pulseaudio would start to work together

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Makere:

so I can watch live tv again

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justinh:

I wish pukeaudio would die in a fire

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Makere:

no clue what pukeaudio is

[10:46:45]

Makere:

but pulseaudio is great

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Dibblah:

Makere: I wish people would search or look at the code to find out the source of their problems.

[10:46:51]

justinh:

no it isn't

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Makere:

yes it iis

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justinh:

no it isn't

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Makere:

it is

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Dibblah:

Wow. Cerebral argumentation you have going there.

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justinh:

so make it work with video players & somehow manage to keep audio latency low enough so the sound stays in sync

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Makere:

everything else except myth works

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Makere:

with audio and everything

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Makere:

on sync

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justinh:

if you say so

[10:47:54]

Makere:

but mythtv just fails

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Dibblah:

Makere: Feel free to _look at the code_.

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justinh:

mythtv disables pulseaudio :)

[10:48:15]

Makere:

Dibblah: I can look the code for hours without figuring anything

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Makere:

at the code*

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Dibblah:

There is a workaround that allows you to use pulseaudio alsa emulation.

[10:48:51]

Makere:

Dibblah: I am using that workaround

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Dibblah:

Or, just fix your system so pulse suspend works.

[10:48:57]

Makere:

and it's shit

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justinh:

language

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Dibblah:

Makere: So? Fix it.

[10:49:27]

Dibblah:

Why should we _care_ about _your_ issue?

[10:49:33]

Makere:

because

[10:49:35]

Makere:

I like to bitch

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justinh:

s/to/to\ be\ a/

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Makere:

Dibblah: are you saying that pulseaudio works for others?

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Makere:

with mythtv

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Makere:

if it's only my problem

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justinh:

some people have got it to work & are happy with it

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Dibblah:

You haven't said what your problem _is_.

[10:51:41]

justinh:

Dibblah: it just sucks. WAHHHHHHHHHHH!

[10:52:05]

Makere:

I have said what my problem is earlier, in great detail, and got pretty much the same replies

[10:52:13]

Makere:

so why should I write it again with great detail

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justinh:

anyway when pulseaudio is superceded by something which *actually* *does* *the* *job* ...

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Makere:

since this chat wouldn't change

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justinh:

this guff about apps having their own volume control.. you have ot open the god-awful PA control applet anyway

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Dibblah:

Makere: You can't be bothered with a quick summary, even?

[10:53:52]

Makere:

pretty much the problem is that it either 1) clips vid/audio every minute or 2) it plays nicely for 10mins, then goes out of sync and finally audio dissappears

[10:54:03]

Makere:

depending on the position of the moon

[10:54:08]

Makere:

which one it does

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Dibblah:

Which workaround are you using?

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justinh:

sounds like what PA does

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justinh:

even outside mythtv

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Makere:

the alsa:pulse and tried alsa:default

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Makere:

using the alsa emulation of pulse

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Dibblah:

... Again, which workaround?

[10:54:52]

Dibblah:

What environment variables have you set?

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Makere:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digita . . . r_PulseAudio

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Makere:

don't know about the environment variables

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justinh:

0.21 ?

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Makere:

I'm using the avenard repository one

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justinh:

all the fuss folks made about how slow releases are & then when one comes along...

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Makere:

which is 0.22

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justinh:

people still use 0.21

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justinh:

depends

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Makere:

the instructions is just for 0.21

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justinh:

right

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justinh:

so they're invalid

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Dibblah:

If you're using 0.22, then you have also set an environment variable.

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v gbee

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Makere:

well do you have better ones?

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Makere:

alright

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Dibblah:

Otherwise, pulse is NOT USED.

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Makere:

what variable I need to set?

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Dibblah:

You don't – It's doing the right thing.

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justinh:

Makere: makes no difference. old instructions in the wiki may aswell not even be there

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justinh:

for all they're relevant

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Dibblah:

Myth disables pulse at startup.

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Makere:

justinh: well it doesn't work without anything

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Dibblah:

So your issue is an ALSA issue.

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Makere:

but pulse works when mythtv is

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Makere:

on

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Makere:

?_?

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justinh:

nah. 0.22 disables pulse if it's running

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justinh:

by default

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Makere:

no it doesn't

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gbee:

ok, so I'm changing my stance on piracy because the morons at the Radio Times used the wrong episode name for the very last Generation Kill and I've therefore missed it

[10:58:30]

Makere:

ok it doesn't for me

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justinh:

it does!

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justinh:

gbee: isn't it on again in 5 minutes? ;-)

[10:59:03]

Makere:

I can listen mpd thru pulse while mythfrontend is running

[10:59:16]

gbee:

justinh: no and they've officially stated they will never repeat it

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justinh:

mustn't be on a BBC channel then :)

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gbee:

does anyone have the last episode recorded (from Wednesday)? I can provide an ftp it can be uploaded to

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The_Ball:

sorry, does .22 support pulse or does it just disable it?

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justinh:

The_Ball: it disables it

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gbee:

justinh: C4 – but even BBC Two never really repeated The Wire (same creators)

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Dibblah:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/generation-kill/4od#3010191

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The_Ball:

ok, so same as .21 behaviour then

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Dibblah:

gbee:

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gbee:

Dibblah: yeah I'm aware, but I'd rather have the full quality FTA broadcast

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lwizardl:

is there a way to dump shows recorded on a comcast hd dvr to a mythtv computer ?

[11:01:21]

Dibblah:

Current trunk has pulseaudio output.

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The_Ball:

ah ok, that's cool

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gbee:

Dibblah: trunk is no different to 0.22, pulse is disabled, or did I miss something?

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Dibblah:

Nope.

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Dibblah:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22690

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Dibblah:

Or... Yes.

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airikka:

Hi! Does anybody know if there are any usb-dvb-s compatibility lists for mythtv-linux-users?

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gbee:

ah, forgot about that

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justinh:

airikka: same place as always. linuxtv.org's wiki

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gbee:

The_Ball: fwiw pulse is lousy so you'd still want to disable it for speed reasons

[11:04:23]

airikka:

justinh: ah, ok. nice. I found some cheap ones at dealextreme.com. I guess these doesn't work, but I have to double check that :)

[11:05:05]

justinh:

airikka: you'd be lucky if you can find any mention of the brands dealextreme sell. Anywhere

[11:05:06]

airikka:

justinh: thanks for your help.

[11:05:15]

justinh:

same goes for the cheap crap peddled on Ebay

[11:05:17]

gbee:

no-one want to upload this week's Generation Kill? :/

[11:05:48]

** gbee is so pissed about it you wouldn't believe **

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justinh:

**** once asked me if I'd recorded The Eurovision Song Contest. I hadn't

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gbee:

heh

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justinh:

his wife had heard about it & was curious as to what all the fuss was about

[11:06:55]

justinh:

I found that funny. she really had no idea.

[11:07:24]

justinh:

gbee: fwiw I often find the opposite with the dup matching

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gbee:

this might just force me to write the long talked about fixes to allow mixing of EIT + xmltv

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gbee:

RT had the first episodes title with the last episodes description

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** gbee stews **

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justinh:

for a while now I've stood by my decision to end up with more recordings than really necessary

[11:11:23]

justinh:

better than the alternative :)

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gbee:

99.9% of the time I don't have a problem, but this one time and it was something I really wanted to not just watch, but archive

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gbee:

well i've 5 days to watch the other 6 episodes then see the last on 4oD ... guess that's my only option for now, maybe the DVDs won't be overpriced (hah)

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gbee:

£18 for 7 episodes ... bah

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gbee:

heh, 18 Customer Ratings on Play, only one gives it less than 5 stars out of 5

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jduggan:

whats that?

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jduggan:

oh my god

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jduggan:

generation kill?

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jduggan:

would you adam and steve it, i upgraded ubunut to karmic, everything looked good

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jduggan:

but recordings were failing

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jduggan:

i missed it to :(

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jduggan:

it was the final episode aswell

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jduggan:

definitly worth buying the boxset though

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jduggan:

+e

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justinh:

still not impressed my karmic

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justinh:

*by karmic

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jduggan:

im not impressed because i cant get my nova-s working in it

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jduggan:

it wont scan or tune

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jduggan:

stb is fine

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jduggan:

its like there's no signal

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jduggan:

some incorrect block type error

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jduggan:

but drivers are loaded and registered, dev entries exist

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jduggan:

no errors in syslog

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jduggan:

ive been waiting for the weekend to have time to just reinstall debian on it, i tried the easy route with ubunut and its just making things harder :)

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justinh:

nothing on telly worth watching tonight – do it then :)

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justinh:

update manager was nagging me several times a day, but I'd added nvidia PPA & it fair screwed things up

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justinh:

now it wants to do a dist-upgrade & put pulseaudio back *and* roll back the nvidia driver

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jduggan:

i hate how ubunuts update manager runs in teh backgroud andn then steals focus while youre watching tv

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jduggan:

in the taskbar

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justinh:

I think what I'll actually do is roll back the whole thing. And use Gentoo

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jduggan:

mythbuntu team need to disable that

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justinh:

jduggan: but how will it grab updates that break your system when you least expect it?

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jduggan:

yea, i ran debian for about 3 years with myth with no many issues, when i upgraded to .21 about 8 months ago i took teh easy route and did mythbuntu... but it has caused me grief since really

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jduggan:

justinh: lol yea =]

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Dibblah:

You could go Gentoo. But then you'll have 3 problems.

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jduggan:

lol

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** Dibblah uses Karmic for all of his frontends AND backend. **

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justinh:

there's always ARGHHHHlinux

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Dibblah:

Of course, I don't use Gnome or KDE.

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justinh:

I need to research WMs. I need something not bloated but not as minimal as the 200 byte WMs

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Dibblah:

I use evilwm.

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Dibblah:

But then, I like the keyboard.

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Dibblah:

(debootstrap is your friend for minimal frontends)

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justinh:

all I want is a menu. I shouldn't be forced to use gnome just for that

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justinh:

or (shudder) KDE

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Dibblah:

Why do you need a menu when you have ctrl-alt-enter to start an xterm?

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Dibblah:

;)

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justinh:

over the years I've kind of got used to luxuries like dragging files across things

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justinh:

hmm xfce looks ok

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gbee:

jduggan: probably will get the boxset, but I should actually watch it before deciding that it's worth buying ;) I've been saving it for a wet winter's weekend

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jduggan:

gbee: aah, well for me personally, its been the only show ive looked forward to watching for a long time

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gbee:

still I know it has to be good from the reviews and the fact it's by the guys who did The Wire

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jduggan:

its a shame there were so few episodes

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airikka:

ok, I'm not going to buy any dvb's from dealextreme.com ;-) I need a cheep usb-dvb-s2 that works in linux. pci-variant in worst case. is there any cheep ones sold within EU?

[11:53:30]

jduggan:

and no chance of season two

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Dibblah:

Yay for killing people off! :)

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jduggan:

airikka: cheap? not really, USB? not seen any :)

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Dibblah:

Waaaay too many things drag on. And on. And on...

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jduggan:

Dibblah: true

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airikka:

jduggan: ok, i see :)

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jduggan:

airikka: nova-s2 seems a popular choice

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justinh:

2 or 3 seasons of stuff would be enough for most things

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justinh:

seems network guys have this impression it's for the best if they bring us a series which lasts our lifetime

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justinh:

whatever the cost

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justinh:

not financial cost, obviously ;)

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gbee:

I like that Amazon is trying to battle Play.com by undercutting them by 2p

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airikka:

jduggan: ok, electronics are quite expensive here in sweden.... so I'm looking for a cheaper internet-store somewhere within eu

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laga_:

dvbshop?

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justinh:

I'm gonna live to regret installing Net::Twitter

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justinh:

via CPAN an' all

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laga_:

yeah

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laga_:

i woulda used python or java ;)

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justinh:

python is evil. java is lame & evil. I dunno why, they JUST ARE, RIGHT

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justinh:

wtf? it's like this is building *everything*

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** justinh goes to buy lunch & assumes the box will be frigged when he returns **

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airikka:

73 eur + shipping for a tevii s650. maybe I have to go the "real way" and use a pci-device and create a new virtual machine with myth-tv backend

[12:02:44]

airikka:

I hope that the pci-devices are cheaper than usb :)

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airikka:

or maybe I'm too stingy ;)

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justinh:

VMs for mythtv. MEH

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justinh:

wonder how robust USB dvb-s tuners are anyway. satellite coax isn't exactly flexible. but then neither is UHF coax :)

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justinh:

jees. the dependencies of Net::Twitter are *ludicrous*

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justinh:

hacking on the wiki's twitter script to make it more useful without the hell that is Net::Twitter :)

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mzb:

I must be missing something obvious, I can't see the point in twitter (or, more correctly, it's advantage to me)

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justinh:

I use it like I use SMS

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mzb:

to yourself?

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

friends on there too

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justinh:

and there are various people's feeds which are quite interesting

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mzb:

ah, you know people that live on in the blue room ;)

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justinh:

it's a great way to keep in touch

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justinh:

as immediate (for sending) as IMing

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mzb:

and how is that better than IM? (eg. jabber)

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justinh:

you can do it from anywhere through a variety of devices without needing some crappy client

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wagnerrp:

well im a bit confused by 22866

[12:58:13]

wagnerrp:

i mean hashing the files, and not relying on filenames, is certainly worthwhile

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mzb:

heh ... in other words, you will have to use a client of some sort

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mzb:

(web, etc)

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justinh:

mzb: nobody I know uses jabber. nobody I know has even heard of jabber

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wagnerrp:

but i think being able to pull metadata/subtitles from that hash is a pipe dream

[12:59:06]

wagnerrp:

justinh: anyone you know use the chat client in gmail?

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justinh:

nope

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wagnerrp:

or google chat? or any of the other programs interfaced with it?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

wave maybe, but I can't see what all the fuss is about there

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wagnerrp:

well then... just go and make my point useless!

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mzb:

there are only two people I need to IM ... ME and "Other people" (for which I've installed IM anyway)

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mzb:

strangely enough, they're all jabber ;)

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mzb:

so I'm not particularly worried about the flavour, more the implementation

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mzb:

(my IM proxy takes care of all the rest anyway)

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wagnerrp:

anyway, gmail made jabber a halfway common client again

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justinh:

loads of people come out & say they hate twitter or whatever, but I think the majority of them have never even tried it

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wagnerrp:

easily more common than yahoo, and possibly msn

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justinh:

everybody I know is going away from MSN

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justinh:

the windows client for that is just ridiculous now

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justinh:

if they're not enlightened enough to use pidgin or whatever

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justinh:

actually some people I know refuse to use pidgin because (wait for it) they don't get all teh kewl smilees!

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mzb:

I have various accounts with all of them, mostly because I can. I just can't see the point in twitter

[13:03:23]

mzb:

"Smiley pack"

[13:03:26]

justinh:

you either see the point or you don't

[13:03:37]

wagnerrp:

i dont doubt twitter can be a very useful tool

[13:03:43]

mzb:

I guess

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justinh:

I don't care either way. I'm not evangelising it

[13:03:51]

wagnerrp:

but the volume of just absolutely complete and utter tripe is too high

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mzb:

I just figured I was missing something essential about it

[13:04:08]

justinh:

wagnerrp: heh without a doubt

[13:04:19]

mzb:

(ie: essentially useful)

[13:04:46]

justinh:

for me, it's just another way to keep in touch

[13:04:52]

mzb:

I guess

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justinh:

a) with people I already know and b) people who know folks I know, who I have things in common with

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justinh:

hnnng. starting to get a bit tired of this 'not listed' crap when I go to record a currently showing show

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mzb:

I'm slowly reducing a) the crap I have to deal with, and b) the crappy people I have to deal with ...

[13:07:47]

wagnerrp:

i guess i just view using twitter like using 4chan to get background images

[13:08:10]

mzb:

expecting to be either a) friendless, or b) crap free, or c) .... in the near(er) future

[13:08:29]

wagnerrp:

yeah, you might get something useful out of it, but youre going to stumble across a goatse in the process

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justinh:

first thing I did was disable email notification of new followers

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mzb:

I'm not going to go looking for more ways to waste my time ... I already have enough ;)

[13:10:01]

justinh:

god help you if you mention key words & they appear in the global timeline. Like real estate, insurance, services, food, diet, shopping, clothes.. etc ;-)

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justinh:

some idiots obviously think there's a lot of money waiting to be made

[13:10:49]

justinh:

there might be, actually. duping companies/people into buying automated means of getting readers

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mzb:

heh ... a "new frontier"

[13:11:09]

justinh:

that bubble should've burst already

[13:11:11]

mzb:

same old same old

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justinh:

WTF?! single record – not listed. AGAIN

[13:11:56]

justinh:

and again. GRRRRRRRRR

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wagnerrp:

i went shopping for a new real estate, and some clothes, using all the money i saved from not purchasing food and *ahem* 'services' after loosing all that weight on this magic diet

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justinh:

and how often is the scheduler running to catch a new recording?

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wagnerrp:

i imagine any time someone runs MFD/EIT, or adds/deletes/edits a schedule

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wagnerrp:

no real reason to run it beyond those events

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justinh:

ok then so what's the delay between me pressing R on an EPG grid entry & it showing up as going to record?

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wagnerrp:

how long a delay?

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justinh:

quite a long time

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justinh:

best case > 30 secs

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wagnerrp:

so not a reasonable amount of time that its still running the queries

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justinh:

dunno

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justinh:

wonder how many records oldrecorded has

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wagnerrp:

well on an old 1.8opteron, with 100 channels, 1000 or so oldrecorded, and 40 or so schedules, its roughly a second

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wagnerrp:

meanwhile clever on an old 400GHz P2, with several hundred channel, several hundred recording schedules, and unknown oldrecorded would take 60–90s for a scheduler run

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justinh:

select title from oldrecorded; -> 13183 rows in set (0.05 sec)

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gbee:

justinh: we watch for a reschedule before the UI updates, that's something I want to address in 0.23 – it's several seconds here

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justinh:

I think I can safely clean a lot of those up

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wagnerrp:

it actually seems to be fairly linearly dependent on (channels * schedules)/cpu_power

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seppexx:

anyone got experience with a Hauppauge HVR-900 card?

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wagnerrp:

at least when i calculated it months ago from those two data points above

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seppexx:

I want to use it to watch analog TV

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justinh:

wagnerrp: and dupe matching I guess

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justinh:

seppexx: just for watching TV? don't use mythtv then

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wagnerrp:

justinh: i didnt think about dupe matching, so i didnt factor it in

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seppexx:

but I can't find any channels, not in mythtv and not in tvtime ... the kernel module is loaded correctly (em88xx), and I see the card when I do lsusb

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seppexx:

justinh: I want to watch TV remotely

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justinh:

don't use mythtv then

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seppexx:

justinh: so, tv tuner with mythtv-backend on my ubuntu machine and mythtv-frontend on my mac

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justinh:

ah. not *remotely*

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justinh:

over your LAN you mean

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seppexx:

yeah

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seppexx:

and it must work with Linux on 'backend' and OS X on 'front end'

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seppexx:

but I can't find any channels :(

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justinh:

analogue scanning no worky in 0.22

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wagnerrp:

if you just want livetv, VLC would probably be sufficient

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seppexx:

oh and it's not a Hauppauge HVR-900H but a Hauppauge HVR-900 (minus the 'H' thus), because HVR-900H is not supported in Linux but HVR-900 is

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seppexx:

wagnerrp: how can I switch channels then?

[13:23:38]

seppexx:

but anyway, I even tried with tvtime and xawtv, none of those can find any channel

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justinh:

if it won't work in those forget all about mythtv

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seppexx:

yeah, that's why I'm testing first in those others

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gbee:

seppexx: I'd start by getting the card working and #linuxtv should help with that

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seppexx:

ah thx!

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justinh:

most of these records in oldrecorded needn't even be there cos every showing is new

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** mzb notes that wiring up a D25 plug to 3 screw terminal strips with _single_core_ seemed like a good idea at the time ;) **

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justinh:

ping! peeow!

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justinh:

6942 rows in set now. better

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** gbee has no idea what mzb is talking about **

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gbee:

14154 < hah, beat justinh

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gbee:

which is actually pretty scary since I'm willing to bet his database is older than mine

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justinh:

and I periodically clean out oldrecorded

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gbee:

ah

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justinh:

nah this is still taking an AGE

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gbee:

cleaning oldrecorded shouldn't have much bearing since the records you are deleting probably don't relate to shows which are still on the air

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justinh:

> 60 secs after pressing R on the EPG, still nothing

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justinh:

it's putting entries in the record table but FA is happening

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gbee:

odd

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gbee:

well actually, the entries go in the record table before the reschedule

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justinh:

figures

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justinh:

2009-11–20 13:37:31.611 Reschedule requested for id 2150

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justinh:

now it's saying single record – not listed

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justinh:

this showing was not recorded because this rule does not match any showings in the current program listings. WTF?!

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justinh:

the listing is there damnit

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justinh:

it hasn't changed

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justinh:

I can see me having to clean out the db & start again

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Dibblah:

There's an open bug that looks like that.

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justinh:

this is bollocks. I've just added a ream of new recordings in the guide – all in progress shows. Nothing

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justinh:

and they're all in the record table

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gbee:

justinh: open a ticket with a dump of the relevant entries in program and record

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justinh:

for 0.21? nobody'll take it seriously

[13:54:08]

gbee:

nothing has really changed in the scheduler between now and then, that said, I can't reproduce here so I'm wondering if it's some sort of time or programid related bug

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gbee:

pastebin an example entry for a single program from program and record, maybe someone can spot it

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justinh:

GRRR. Stupid ****ing database

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gbee:

are other schedules working as normal? If not it might be DB corruption or something

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justinh:

mysqlcheck checks out

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justinh:

wtf? stuff is recording now

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justinh:

how the hell is the reschedule taking so long?!

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justinh:

15 tuners, less than 40 channels..

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sid3windr:

justinh: give clever his hardware back!

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

hmmm. what's this all about then? 2009-11–20 13:59:10.621 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 416 items in 270.4 = 1.27 match + 269.16 place

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justinh:

hang on is that 270.4 secs?

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justinh:

like 1.27 secs to get a match & the rest to erm.. whatever

[14:04:49]

justinh:

whoah. system is a wee bit loaded

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justinh:

load average: 3.22, 3.08, 2.91

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justinh:

2009-11–20 14:05:56.225 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 414 items in 15.9 = 0.00 match + 15.89 place is more like it. Christ on a bike

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wagnerrp:

why is the intel fortran compiler install 800MB!?!

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justinh:

so because I saw everything in slow motion, the single record – not listed.. is a red herring

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justinh:

cos that's the intermediate state

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justinh:

like normally it wouldn't be seen cos it'd be so brief

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schaze:

Hi Guys, I was just playing around with Mythtvbrowser and was wondering if it supports Flash. I search the wiki and google but nothing comes up 0.22 mythbrowser.

[14:11:20]

schaze:

Do you have any idea?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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sid3windr:

"christ on a bike" .. love that expression

[14:14:27]

wagnerrp:

im partial to 'keep f---ing that chicken'

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justinh:

FYI it was vnc server hogging the CPU btw

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justinh:

DUH

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justinh:

schaze: apparently it can support flash

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wagnerrp:

0.22 saw mythbrowser moving to webkit, offered all the capabilities that other webkit browsers have

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schaze:

justinh: yes I see that its build with qt webkit which supports extensions and the adobe flash plugin as of qt 4.5

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justinh:

LOL. soon as I type mythbrowser into the search box I see the first autocomplete option is 'mythbrowser flash'

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justinh:

smack!

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schaze:

but how do i install this extension for the mythbrowser?

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justinh:

you don't

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schaze:

it is not activated by default

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justinh:

AFAIK you just need the flash plugin installed on your system

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justinh:

has to be the 'proper' flash plugin though

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schaze:

:) ok

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schaze:

I have the flashplugin installed but how do i know it is the propor one?

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sphery:

and have to have Qt4.5, not Qt4.4

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wagnerrp:

well ive finally run out of space on this boot image.... time to bump it up from 4GB

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schaze:

I have Installed: 4.5.3really4.5.2–0ubuntu1

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schaze:

(interesting naming I just see :) )

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sulx:

wtf?

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sulx:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rbeqbj-n1Z0/Skeak1q . . . h/ubuntu.png

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gbee:

sulx: heh

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gbee:

irony is that Ubuntu in many ways fails to be user friendly

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sid3windr:

=)

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schaze:

Hm,... for firefox there needs to be a link in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins to the libflashplayer.so

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schaze:

perhaps there is a location where i have to create a link too for mythbrowser

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schaze:

where does the qt webkit search for the extensions?

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sid3windr:

I -think- ~/.mozilla/plugins or so

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sid3windr:

but probably a lot more default locations

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schaze:

why would it search under mozilla?

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wagnerrp:

because mozilla doesnt store anything outside the base install in the base install

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wagnerrp:

all addons, plugins, and other data gets stored under your user directory

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wagnerrp:

(at least its that way under windows)

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schaze:

I am aware, but what does the mythbrowser have to do with mozilla?

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quicksilver:

all browsers which support mozilla plugins look in the mozille plugins directory

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quicksilver:

so you dont' need to instaqll them twice

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wagnerrp:

the intel fortran compiler takes 800MB, the C compiler 3350MB.... seriously, WTF

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schaze:

ok. I was not aware that the adobe flash plugin is a mozilla plugin only...

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gbee:

there are two plugin formats IE and an open standard originally created for Netscape (mozilla)

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schaze:

Ah, ok. I was not aware of that.

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schaze:

hm...flash is working in FF but there is no .mozilla/plugins folder, only extensions and that is not pointing to anything related to flash

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gbee:

you can't use IE plugins in Firefox, but you can use plugins which work with firefox in Opera, Safari, Konqueror, Chrome (and pretty much any other browser)

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gbee:

schaze: look in the global plugin local, /usr/share/mozilla/plugins or similar

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schaze:

gbee: yes I just did

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schaze:

gbee: there it is

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schaze:

/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so

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schaze:

pointing to: /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so

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schaze:

(over another pointer in between but that shouldn't matter)

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gbee:

cp /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/

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schaze:

I did a ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so libflashplayer.so

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schaze:

(don't like to have it there 2wice

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schaze:

but that did not help unfortunately

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schaze:

it there any log output for the mythbrowser?

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schaze:

(nothing is in mythfrontend.log)

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gbee:

you are restarting mythbrowser/mythfrontend?

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schaze:

yes of course

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schaze:

oh wait do I also need to restart mytwelcome?

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schaze:

does not help either :(

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schaze:

It works!

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schaze:

I just rebooted the mythtv box and now it is working..

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schaze:

strange...

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justinh:

you prolly only needed to log out & back in again

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schaze:

no problem (with my new ssd the reboot just takes 8 seconds longer than login logout ;) )

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schaze:

hm.. it only seems to work on youtube though...

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justinh:

jees that's twice I've had to get this twit script working now

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ivor:

justinh: what are you up to?

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ivor:

tweeting each time you press a key?

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justinh:

ROFL

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justinh:

@juskimyth pressed CHANNEL UP

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justinh:

@juskimyth pressed CHANNEL DOWN

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justinh:

nah just tweets about recordings

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schaze:

gbee, justinh: thanks for your help

[15:21:57]

justinh:

there's a script on somebody's blog that tweets about what you watch too

[15:24:07]

gbee:

that could get a little awkward

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

@juskimyth watched ChannelX for 9.5 minutes at 23:01 on 20/11/09

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devinheitmueller:

I love users. This frigging code has been available for like a year, they never test it before it's officially released. And then they bitch and moan when they upgrade after the release and something doesn't work in their particular environment. Grrr....

[15:26:32]

devinheitmueller:

</rant mode off>

[15:27:00]

justinh:

wow. sounds just like users

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devinheitmueller:

Can't live with them. Can't bash their heads in with a baseball bat.

[15:28:49]

justinh:

course you can

[15:28:51]

justinh:

muhahaha

[15:29:07]

** devinheitmueller runs traceroute/nslookup/whois on user's source IP address. **

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justinh:

ah nuts

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ivor:

aaarggghh this code is truly WTF-worthy

[15:32:49]

ivor:

who writes shit like this

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mishehu:

devinheitmueller: <waaambulance>It doesn't work, the lousy program!</waaambulance> <-- you mean like that? :-)

[15:33:44]

devinheitmueller:

Yeah.

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iamlindoro:

justinh, devinheitmueller.... but if you do, don't move the body in your own car, don't represent youself in court, and don't tell the kids mommy went back to Russia

[15:34:11]

devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: thanks for the advice. Now you're an accessory.

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ivor:

iamlindoro: too soon? :)

[15:34:28]

iamlindoro:

Just so long as I'm a fashionable accessory

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: always.

[15:35:28]

iamlindoro:

ivor, It's never too soon for inappropriate humor, that's what makes it inappropriate! :)

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** gbee hopes Ivor isn't currently looking at libmythui **

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ivor:

its more scary than that

[15:36:54]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, So I did some more work on the hashing last night, and have it pretty much working locally and only doing hashing a) on a new insert and b) when a record is eligible for delete

[15:36:59]

gbee:

heh, so libmythui is scary ... ;)

[15:37:16]

ivor:

gbee: lets just say its code to do with trading billions of dollars worth of oil.

[15:37:31]

sid3windr:

so you're a terrorist!

[15:37:37]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Idea being to only hash when absolutely necessary-- so a "slow" method like a RemoteFile::Hash would be totally acceptable as it would only be needed in those two conditions

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Just dunno if something like the above would be something you would be amenable to

[15:38:00]

ivor:

it's a wonder there isn't some sort of major international banking crisis....

[15:38:07]

ivor:

oh wait. doh.

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gbee:

ivor: rounding down and siphoning to an offshore account?

[15:39:38]

jduggan:

one barrel for you, two for me

[15:40:26]

iamlindoro:

See you all in FPMITAP

[15:40:33]

gbee:

sid3windr: those speculating on oil right now are quickly becoming more unpopular than terrorists over here, they are withholding oil to drive the price skyward

[15:40:54]

justinh:

what they don't know is, their oil will be worthless on the surface of the sea

[15:40:58]

justinh:

muhahahaha

[15:41:05]

justinh:

fire missils!

[15:41:07]

gbee:

heh

[15:41:50]

** justinh wonders if a dinghy from Argos will be enough to reach one of those tankers **

[15:41:53]

** gbee imagines piracy taking off in the seas off Cornwall **

[15:42:17]

sid3windr:

hey I need oil for my gas guzzler!

[15:42:25]

ivor:

hmmm, we're going to look interesting in some word scans.... terrorists, oil, murder, body, missiles.

[15:42:52]

gbee:

we'll be fine so long as no-one mentions Osama

[15:42:59]

gbee:

oops

[15:44:14]

gbee:

it's a wonder that withholding a vital resource from a nation in return for £££ isn't considered extortion ...

[15:47:42]

wagnerrp:

your car runs on oil?

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sid3windr:

wagnerrp: yes. doesn't yours?

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Cardoe:

gbee: ping

[15:51:33]

Cardoe:

sid3windr: his runs on ground up baby seals

[15:52:04]

gbee:

Cardoe: ?

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wagnerrp:

mine runs on gasoline

[15:54:33]

wagnerrp:

i would expect it to gurgle and die if i poured oil or crude (or anything other than gasoline) into the tank

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sid3windr:

where do you dig up gasoline? :)

[15:55:12]

wagnerrp:

sid3windr: out of this big tank, conveniently buried, under the nearest station

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sid3windr:

cool

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iamlindoro:

yonder, past the baby blood fountain, next to the unicorn tear spring and behind the water fountain that grants wishes

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sid3windr:

:>

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sid3windr:

Gasoline is produced in oil refineries. Material that is separated from crude oil via distillation, called virgin or straight-run gasoline, does not meet the required specifications for modern engines (in particular octane rating; see below), but will form part of the blend.

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sid3windr:

fwiw :)

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sid3windr:

but obviously you knew that!

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wagnerrp:

just commenting on uses of generic words, rather than something more specific

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wagnerrp:

unless you actually meant it burns through oil

[15:58:30]

wagnerrp:

ive got a couple friends whose cars do that

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sid3windr:

it doesn't

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sid3windr:

but I need oil to be cheap. Not to pour it into the car ;)

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wagnerrp:

has to dump in a quart a week or so

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gbee:

iamlindoro: what's the deal with the certification/rating in the tmdb api? Is it available yet or still to come?

[16:01:03]

RDV_Linux_:

gbee: That data is not being returned from TMDB yet.

[16:01:05]

iamlindoro:

gbee, coming as part of the new API

[16:01:26]

wagnerrp:

not going to be in 2.1? or 2.1 is not yet finalized?

[16:01:32]

iamlindoro:

the latter

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iamlindoro:

So the new grabber, in addition to its many present advantages, will have access to all the new info that tmdb.pl never will

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RDV_Linux_:

gbee: Also TVDB will be adding similar rating info and I asked the developer of the tvdb_api to add that data when it is available and he accepted the enhancement request.

[16:03:52]

JEDIDIAH__:

hello ial... what do you use to watch BD disks with truehd tracks?

[16:04:07]

iamlindoro:

JEDIDIAH__, Just Myth's internal player

[16:04:15]

gbee:

heh, so tmdb.pl is dead? shame, I like perl

[16:04:26]

iamlindoro:

though on 8 channel files it can be a bit hit or miss

[16:04:40]

gbee:

RDV_Linux_: their rating is going to be locale based like TMDB?

[16:05:01]

JEDIDIAH__:

I've been seeing nothing but misses lately. Although I probably need to update to the release version...

[16:05:13]

iamlindoro:

gbee, outside of writing it again from scratch to support the new API... and RDV_Linux_ does python and was willing to do the work :)

[16:05:45]

gbee:

iamlindoro: sure :(

[16:05:49]

iamlindoro:

JEDIDIAH__, TBH it worked a lot better before ffmepg split MLP and TrueHD decoders from one another, I think it may be another ffmpeg sync before things get better again

[16:05:58]

iamlindoro:

gbee, awwww

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jarle:

problem upgrading to 0.22: http://pastebin.ca/1679502 could I fix this by fixing the encoding of the mythtv db that is now installed, or should I revert to the original db before fixing encoding??

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gbee:

duh, duh, duh ... another bites the dust

[16:07:24]

gbee:

one

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gbee:

bah

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wagnerrp:

man, that was a fantastic ad

[16:07:54]

gbee:

ad?

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wagnerrp:

of course the Queen music didnt burt

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RDV_Linux_:

gbee: I cannot remember if they will just go with their own format which can be translated to the local country or will handle both country specific and general. They definitely discussed country differences.

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wagnerrp:

some young guy is driving down the road with an old man in the passenger seat

[16:08:57]

wagnerrp:

pops a queen cd into the aiwa player, starts the song, starts dancing, starts waving to other people on the road

[16:09:10]

wagnerrp:

you pan out and hes driving a hearse

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iamlindoro:

IMHO making the person inserting the film set a standardized rating would be much cleaner

[16:09:37]

iamlindoro:

It's what TVDB is going to do

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gbee:

RDV_Linux_: at least they are aware of a need for different ratings in different locales, different cultures and levels of repression lead to very different ideas of what is fine for the kids etc

[16:10:35]

iamlindoro:

heh

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RDV_Linux_:

gbee: For details see: http://forums.thetvdb.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2112

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iamlindoro:

2009-11–20 08:11:37.937 Hash 61bcf1573e907f92 already exists in the database, updating record: 1876

[16:12:12]

iamlindoro:

Success!

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RDV_Linux_:

iamlindoro: Show off

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iamlindoro:

Hey, we all benefit from this :)

[16:12:50]

iamlindoro:

It's just one of the majorish annoyances of MythVideo I've always wanted to do something about

[16:12:56]

gbee:

there is no such thing as a standardised rating – the Americans (at a national level) for example have really bizarre moral values – nudity/sex is a mortal sin, but carving someone up with a chainsaw ...

[16:13:12]

iamlindoro:

gbee, depends on what part of America :)

[16:13:36]

** iamlindoro grew up in the liberal San Francisco area and saw tons of nudity but had parents who wouldn't let him go to any horror films **

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gbee:

rest of the world tends to take the opposite view, nudity is far from banned in films for the under-18s, but horror films on the other hand

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iamlindoro:

I saw my first pair of real-life breasts on stage at a play with my mother sitting directly next to me... awwwkwaaard

[16:14:43]

GreyFoxx:

I assume first pair OTHER than your moms ;)

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jduggan:

haha

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, thankfully at that point I didn't remember those :)

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wagnerrp:

ive got no problem with horror films in general, but i do not understand the fascination with brutal, gory films

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wagnerrp:

horror is supposed to be psychologically intense, not just throw body parts at you

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wagnerrp:

well... not unless your Throma

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** J-e-f-f-A cheers as the HP Mini he won at a user group conference s ION based... ;-) **

[16:30:05]

iamlindoro:

jeez, nice prize

[16:31:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Yeah, that's what I thought too... ;-) And it's got a 250GB drive too... ;-) 11.6" screen... it's VERY nice... 311 series.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: HP shows it as "Starting from $399.99" – But it's not the 'baseline' model, so I'd guess $450 or 500... (VERY nice!!!)

[16:33:39]

sid3windr:

neat

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iamlindoro:

Slick

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J-e-f-f-A:

I was *SO* happy when my name was drawn... ;-)

[16:37:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

And even happier when it arrived at home a I discovered it was an ION! ;-)

[16:37:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

(I think I almost had an accident...)

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iamlindoro:

Good thing you were at home

[16:37:48]

iamlindoro:

easy access to new pants

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Yeah, no kidding, eh? ;-) hehehehe

[16:39:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

The Atom processor isn't as 'bad' as I thought it would be, granted it is 'underpowered', but the ION chipset makes up for it. ;-)

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sid3windr:

and I ... jizzed in my pants?

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sid3windr:

:p

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, yeah, hash code should exist in a libmyth probably and it makes sense to have a backend command to get a file's hash, like RF::Exists() essentially. not sure how to handle multiple files by the same name in the same SG but different dirs.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Cool... have it all basically working with local storage right now, was just holding off until I had a chance to talk to you about the remote implementation

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iamlindoro:

Right now the code just ignores anything in an SG so it's transparent, if you'd like I can just commit that and we can plug in a remote implementation when we have a chance to look at it together

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** gbee prefers an SSD over a HDD for a netbook/notebook **

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** laga_ has a huge crush on SSDs **

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** iamlindoro had an SSD, but his doctor prescribed a topical ointment **

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kieran491:

i have just found out that my hostname has changed on my machine is it possible to get mythtv to load the old settings back?

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iamlindoro:

sure, change your hostname back

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kieran491:

and if thats not possible?

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iamlindoro:

Then you'd need to manually update the settings table records

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kieran491:

ok where and how?

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sid3windr:

---------------> there

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iamlindoro:

Personal policy is to not give any advice on manual database fudging, though, so someone else would have to answer on that

[16:59:48]

kieran491:

so in the sql database then

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wagnerrp:

is this a frontend only? or does it have a backend as well?

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iamlindoro:

As there are more things that can go wrong than right when advising people who don't know SQL to perform mass updates

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kieran491:

iamlindoro: which tables?

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iamlindoro:

kieran491, I'm sorry, I just *really* don't feel comfortable advising people on how to hack the database if they're not MySQL proficient

[17:02:41]

kieran491:

i am proficent in mysql

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wagnerrp:

kieran491: is this a frontend only? or does it have a backend as well?

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kieran491:

the backend will not start at all

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wagnerrp:

so this is a backend as well...

[17:03:20]

kieran491:

I'm using mythweb as a front end

[17:03:23]

kieran491:

it just backend

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wagnerrp:

there are hostname references all over the database

[17:03:51]

kieran491:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP. Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page of the general settings.

[17:03:53]

gbee:

don't hack the database at all, just specify override the hostname in mysql.txt or whatever it is

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wagnerrp:

config.xml, and does that still work?

[17:04:29]

kieran491:

wagnerrp: wherer can i locate it?

[17:04:36]

wagnerrp:

~/.mythtv/

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gbee:

no reason it shouldn't, I've never had to do it though so I'm not going to be of much use

[17:05:09]

wagnerrp:

i mean i dont know what the syntax in the new xml file would be

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kieran491:

wagnerrp: im running it as a deamon in mandriva so i dont know what users its using

[17:06:11]

wagnerrp:

probably /home/mythtv/.mythtv/

[17:06:18]

kieran491:

no such user

[17:06:31]

wagnerrp:

maybe root then?

[17:06:42]

kieran491:

ill give that a looks at

[17:07:13]

kieran491:

doesn't seem to even have a .mythtv folder

[17:08:04]

kieran491:

ahh found it

[17:08:33]

kieran491:

no wait that was bogus

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sphery:

kieran491: best approach is to shut down all system, use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend to change from --old_hostname="goodhostname" to --new_hostname="garbage" then use --old_hostname="oldonewithgoodsettings" to --new_hostname="goodhostname"

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sphery:

kieran491: i.e. change the new hostname stuff to something else, then change the old hostname with the right settings to the new hostname that your machine is using

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gbee:

sphery: sure changing the config.xml hostname isn't a much, much easier approach?

[17:15:41]

sphery:

that works, too

[17:16:26]

gbee:

not sure what it's called in config.xml, but in the old mysql.txt it was "LocalHostName"

[17:16:43]

sphery:

as long as you change the LocalHostName in every single config.xml and mysql.txt on the system /and/ you never, ever, execute any mythtv program or script in an improper environment (one without a $HOME/.mythtv/config.xml or whatever)

[17:17:30]

sphery:

basically, because config.xml and mysql.txt is such a broken mess, it's easy for users to fix it in one place on the system and not fix it in another

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sphery:

so they're running mythbackend with one localhostname and running mythfrontend with another

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laga_:

sphery: ++

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sphery:

or whatever

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gbee:

for most people that would be one place because they always run mythfrontend/mythbackend with the same user (or should)

[17:20:23]

laga_:

they do? :)

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kieran491:

hm chaning all the hostnames to the computers hostname didn't seem to do anything

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iamlindoro:

because you did it by hacking the DB and not using the script method that was suggested to you

[17:21:11]

iamlindoro:

Which is exactly why I won't cousel people on hacking the DB ;)

[17:21:14]

iamlindoro:

er counsel

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kieran491:

il just change it back then

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sphery:

kieran491: if you hand edited the db, it will almost definitely break things

[17:25:36]

sphery:

there are a lot of things that need to be fixed

[17:25:55]

sphery:

kieran491: go back to the backup you made before you started editing the db

[17:25:58]

wagnerrp:

as i mentioned, hostname is used as an index all over the database, not just the settings table

[17:26:07]

sphery:

and then use either the approach I mentioned or the one gbee mentioned

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kieran491:

sphery: nahh i did a simple UPDATE query

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wagnerrp:

if you were running a frontend only, you could edit the db without much breakage

[17:26:31]

wagnerrp:

but theres too much you have to do for a backend, youll end up missing something

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iamlindoro:

an UPDATE query *is* hand editing the DB

[17:27:22]

kieran491:

a simple UPDATE `settings` SET `hostname` = 'mythtv' WHERE `hostname` = 'localhost' is hardly going to break it

[17:27:30]

sid3windr:

haha

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sid3windr:

it definitely will :)

[17:27:41]

justinh:

arghh blimmin twit script. something is messing up the starttime variable

[17:27:43]

wagnerrp:

kieran491: a frontend no... a backend, it absolutely will

[17:28:15]

justinh:

I can vouch for a manual db update screwing up a backend

[17:28:19]

wagnerrp:

quoting myself from just two minutes back... 'as i mentioned, hostname is used as an index all over the database, not just the settings table'

[17:28:26]

sphery:

kieran491: remember, also, that regardless of how much of an expert you are with SQL, you have to understand all of the data constraints for the data in the database on which you're running those SQL statements. And, since /all/ of the data integrity checking in MythTV is in the application--not the database--that means no one is verifying your changes.

[17:29:01]

** sphery would have thought that a SQL expert would know the need to understand the data constraints... ;) **

[17:29:06]

justinh:

yeah if you don't know what the db structure is & how mythtv uses it you can't even do your own sanity checking

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justinh:

see if SQLguru nick is taken eh

[17:29:29]

wagnerrp:

if you want to go through each of the hundred or so tables in mythconverg, individually checking for a hostname column, and updating if present.... go for it

[17:29:58]

justinh:

I ended up saving the day by using a script from the wiki :)

[17:30:47]

justinh:

which actually only does a regex search & replace but.. it did the job

[17:30:50]

sphery:

wagnerrp: note, also, that's what the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend does--plus it changes the hostname when that hostname is not in a hostname column

[17:31:06]

kieran491:

im using it now

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sphery:

(I know you knew that, but just finishing your thought about re-inventing the wheel)

[17:31:29]

wagnerrp:

sphery: well he seemed intent to do so

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

kieran491: did you do a backup before editing the data in the database? If so, you should really restore that backup

[17:32:09]

wagnerrp:

what happens when you have duplicate data in the settings table?

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kieran491:

nah this is just a test server

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sphery:

then use the script to fix it

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wagnerrp:

this is just a test server?

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sid3windr:

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wagnerrp:

so you have no real data of any worth?

[17:32:33]

sphery:

wagnerrp: if there's a duplicate the change hostname will fail

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kieran491:

not really

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sphery:

wagnerrp: which is why I suggested he change currenthostname to garbage, then change oldhostname to currenthostname

[17:32:54]

wagnerrp:

so why are you bothering with any of this

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sphery:

otherwise, you'd have dups/failure

[17:33:05]

wagnerrp:

it takes all of 5 minutes to set the backend back up from scratch

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kieran491:

well i need to understand why the problem occured i think i got that now but i also need to know how to fix the problem in the future if it ever arises again

[17:34:07]

kieran491:

and there we go

[17:34:07]

justinh:

it should never arise again

[17:34:09]

kieran491:

all better

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sid3windr:

lol

[17:35:24]

kieran491:

no big drama :) but it nice to not have to run the tvguide grabber

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kieran491:

well thanks for your time :)

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justinh:

jees. from looking in my backend log & saw I had an extra capture card defined somehow. a V4L card of all things. wasn't bound to an input of course. sheesh

[17:40:04]

justinh:

must've been from when I was looking something up

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iamlindoro:

So now that I've got the hashing working, I was thinking about a function that would (totally optionally) reformat a user's video filenames in a clean, consistent manner. thoughts?

[17:47:56]

gbee:

just name them logically as they are ripped/exported to mythvideo?

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** iamlindoro shrugs **

[17:50:03]

iamlindoro:

I guess

[17:50:40]

iamlindoro:

I like to think I'm fairly fastidious about my file naming, but even I probably have some minor inconsistencies that it would be nice to have cleaned up by the (accurate) metadata

[17:50:49]

gbee:

just playing the devil's advocate

[17:51:03]

wagnerrp:

well would it be some static format under the assumption people were only going to use mythtv? or some user-definable string like in your/my export patches?

[17:51:58]

iamlindoro:

I would probably use a buttonlist that allowed for each of the parsed file formats in the file parsing wiki page

[17:52:18]

iamlindoro:

ie select from any of the ~15 or so properly parsed formats

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gbee:

still playing the part, I wonder if it's not just another setting/menu entry to clutter things up for a handful of users?

[17:52:54]

iamlindoro:

I suppose so

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wagnerrp:

there would also be a problem with duplicates

[17:53:04]

iamlindoro:

you know, it's probably a better job for the binding/a script anyway

[17:53:08]

iamlindoro:

bindings

[17:53:24]

wagnerrp:

tvdb keeps shows with the same name separate by their year

[17:53:37]

wagnerrp:

but tmdb is perfectly happy to return the same title for multiple movies

[17:53:51]

iamlindoro:

That would be easily handleable

[17:54:03]

gbee:

fwiw, mythmusic's import feature does rename (using the id3 tags etc) and it's something I find invaluable since the sites I download from have inconsistant formats which don't match my existing collection

[17:54:07]

iamlindoro:

(by appending the year when multiple movies of the same title exist)

[17:54:36]

iamlindoro:

Meh, just brainstorming new features I guess

[17:54:41]

wagnerrp:

but then it falls outside the parsed formats

[17:54:47]

iamlindoro:

probably trying to avoid tackling mass metadata handling which is half done

[17:54:58]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Now, it'll parse a movie fine with the year

[17:55:01]

iamlindoro:

er Nah

[17:56:02]

iamlindoro:

movie parsing is easy, it's television parsing that's hard

[17:56:23]

iamlindoro:

/usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/Movie/tmdb.py -M "Heat 1995"

[17:56:23]

iamlindoro:

949:Heat (1995)

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gbee:

might I suggest a feature for mythvideo – metadata from tags?

[17:56:43]

wagnerrp:

oh, the API just handles it automatically?

[17:56:50]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, yeah

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iamlindoro:

gbee, libav* tags?

[17:57:07]

iamlindoro:

or matroska encosures?

[17:57:11]

gbee:

not that difficult and with ffmpeg's new metadata handling you might get pretty good results (where tags exist)

[17:57:24]

iamlindoro:

Hmm... Not unreasonable

[17:57:33]

gbee:

ffmpeg is supposed to be able to read a variety of tags

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iamlindoro:

I can try to read up on that

[17:57:58]

gbee:

we're using it for some formats in mythmusic

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justinh:

wonder if ffmpeg can seek in flacs yet

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iamlindoro:

Wonder how to handle it-- it's probably not a quick parsing process, and you'd want to prefer the grabber info when available

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justinh:

wooo the twitter script works at last

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iamlindoro:

so the file metadata tags occupy some odd middle ground-- not sure you'd want to open every file as you scanned it, but not sure you'd want the file metadata tags over the grabber ones

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kieran491:

HI again

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kieran491:

what would cause mythtv before to be recording shows that would play in vlc but now appears to recording shows that wont play in vlc? but the recording will play in windows media player?

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gbee:

kieran491: analog or digital?

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gbee:

and if analog, framegrabber or hardware encoder?

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gbee:

zzz

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iamlindoro:

Obviously rhetorical questions ;)

[18:18:15]

sphery:

trying to decide if I should respond to "[mythtv-users] Key mappings for EPG"

[18:18:29]

sphery:

as I'm pretty sure I know the answer to the question

[18:18:36]

sphery:

even though he hasn't yet asked the question

[18:18:57]

sphery:

heh

[18:19:28]

iamlindoro:

So helpful to have our own in-house psychic available

[18:19:45]

sphery:

oh, the guy sent an HTML e-mail to the list in a multipart/mixed message, but the plain text alternative is blank

[18:19:54]

sphery:

if I view it in HTML, it has a question

[18:20:18]

wagnerrp:

remove his subscription to the mailing list

[18:20:20]

wagnerrp:

firebomb the house

[18:21:33]

sphery:

nice... has 4 different formats/versions: text/plain as quoted printable, and text/plain, and multipart/alternative, and text/html. Only the text/html one has anything in it

[18:21:53]

sphery:

X-Mailer: GMX.com Web Mailer

[18:22:12]

sphery:

^^^ fail

[18:22:23]

sphery:

To take full advantage of GMX we recommend dowloading Internet Explorer 7, Firefox 3 or Safari 3.

[18:22:32]

sphery:

Guess Minefield isn't good enough for them

[18:22:52]

wagnerrp:

add directives to ML to bounce mail from gmx.com

[18:23:03]

sphery:

(even though it's > 3.x version--just FF with a non-trademarked name)

[18:26:39]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp clearly in a scorched earth sort of mood today

[18:27:29]

wagnerrp:

no, just angry because i got back from chipotle with a burrito bursting out the side

[18:27:35]

wagnerrp:

i didnt want to eat fork food today

[18:28:55]

wagnerrp:

sphery: id say just reply with a link to gossamer-threads, saying 'this is what everyone else sees when your mail client does not produce a plaintext copy, please choose another mail client'

[18:29:08]

wagnerrp:

(i would do it myself, but i dont seem to have received that email)

[18:29:12]

sphery:

wait... Fork food? I didn't even realize... I have never fed my utensils since I bought them in 1994. They must be starving by now.

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iamlindoro:

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wagnerrp:

ive got the one before, and the one after... but im missing that one

[18:31:44]

justinh:

nothing in the archive. what a doof

[18:31:48]

sphery:

wagnerrp: great idea

[18:33:38]

justinh:

who are these a-holes without menu buttons on their remotes?!

[18:33:55]

wagnerrp:

appletv users

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justinh:

let them eat battery acid

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iamlindoro:

Has a menu button too

[18:34:24]

iamlindoro:

up/down/left/right/select/menu

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iamlindoro:

and back

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wagnerrp:

heh... one of its three buttons is menu

[18:34:51]

iamlindoro:

So that tells you how poor a remote that really doesn't have one is :)

[18:35:01]

wagnerrp:

is that actually a clickwheel? or just a 4-way?

[18:35:13]

iamlindoro:

four way

[18:35:29]

iamlindoro:

I guess most people are probably using "Menu" as "Back"

[18:35:44]

iamlindoro:

(As I was mistaken, no back key)

[18:37:53]

justinh:

there is no back!

[18:38:07]

Dagmar:

...which means there can be no back and to the left.

[18:38:10]

justinh:

no looking back, no turning back

[18:38:55]

justinh:

heh there's this twitter user who does nothing but bitch about the mythtv system her husband set up

[18:39:33]

Dagmar:

I know how to fix that problem.

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mangus580:

Dagmar: do tell!

[18:40:08]

Dagmar:

You simply tell her about her husband's german donkey porn collection.

[18:40:17]

Dagmar:

It's encrypted.

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wagnerrp:

because german donkeys can give it harder than mexican donkeys?

[18:42:02]

Dagmar:

She'll either leave the husband, or refuse to even touch or think about his PVR again.

[18:42:07]

Dagmar:

Either way, _our_ end of the problem is solved.

[18:42:18]

Elwell:

wagnerrp: I _hope_ thats not from personal knowledge

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wagnerrp:

Elwell: thats why i was asking, not telling

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sphery:

iamlindoro: btw, turns out I wasn't psychic--it was a different question from the one I thought it would be

[18:45:14]

iamlindoro:

heh

[18:45:29]

iamlindoro:

You know what I hate on the list? posts which are, directly or indirectly, polls

[18:45:44]

iamlindoro:

"What distro do you use?"

[18:45:53]

iamlindoro:

"Does anyone NOT get > 10% CPU use in the menus?"

[18:46:51]

justinh:

"Which theme are you guys using & why?" GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[18:47:09]

justinh:

"which brand toilet paper do you use & why?"

[18:47:18]

iamlindoro:

Hmm...

[18:47:24]

wagnerrp:

what about the 14 different 'is this video card good enough for HD'

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brad2:

hey guys

[18:47:33]

iamlindoro:

I think the Template:News page on the wiki really shouldn't be user editable

[18:47:51]

jarle:

justinh: installing mythtv 0.22, and blutoobe-wide from svn. Will the theme overwrite the old theme just fine running make install, or will I have to delete the old theme first?

[18:48:01]

justinh:

jarle: don't

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wagnerrp:

blutoobe-wide doesnt work on 0.22

[18:48:10]

justinh:

don't don't don't don't don't don't

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justinh:

all you get is the crappy customised menus & a lame mythmusic screen with that theme

[18:48:37]

jarle:

so which theme should I use then?

[18:48:43]

brad2:

i noticed my mythvideo was loading slowly recently, so i did a "mythfrontend -v all" and loaded up mythvideo, i saw that I am getting hundreds of the following line:

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brad2:

2009-11–20 13:44:25.896 MSqlQuery::exec() "SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'BackendServerPort' AND hostname = 'naruto' ;"

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wagnerrp:

any of the half dozen that have come out for 0.22

[18:48:58]

brad2:

that can't be normal?

[18:48:58]

justinh:

whatever. anything but blootube*, neon-wide, projectGrayhem*

[18:49:42]

justinh:

brad2: storage groups? course

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jarle:

justinh: too bad, I have come to love blutoobe, but I'll see if I fancy any of the others then..

[18:49:59]

justinh:

blootube sucks donkeys

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brad2:

justinh: yes i am using storage groups. if i see the same query 100 times in a row, wouldn't it just be repeatedly querying the same data? I feel like i have something configured incorrectly

[18:51:05]

iamlindoro:

Even with storage group, that query should only appear once

[18:51:21]

iamlindoro:

sounds like a DB problem

[18:51:26]

brad2:

should the backendserverport be filled with an actual value?

[18:51:34]

wagnerrp:

it must

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wagnerrp:

although if you have ever run mythbackend, it will be populated with the default

[18:51:47]

iamlindoro:

The query above is as it should be

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brad2:

that's the other thing, randomly mythfrontend will stop connecting to mysql, and if i reload mythfrontend a couple of times, it starts working again

[18:52:06]

iamlindoro:

It should be the text "BackendServerPort"

[18:52:14]

iamlindoro:

So that's your issue

[18:52:18]

iamlindoro:

mysql connection issues

[18:52:21]

justinh:

could be a mysql problem

[18:52:23]

iamlindoro:

(or database corruption)

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brad2:

okay, going to search the wiki and mailing list for those topics :)

[18:52:44]

justinh:

or that thing between the chair & the keyboard

[18:53:03]

brad2:

justinh: wholeheartedly agree, likely me.. just want to figure out how to fix me!

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sphery:

check all mysql.txt and config.xml files, too

[18:53:18]

** iamlindoro immediately has more respect for people assume it is them before the software **

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iamlindoro:

All too uncommon, that approach

[18:54:24]

sphery:

and note that the value should be cached, so it's only looked up once ever--unless it's overridden (i.e. because you didn't run mythtv-setup and set the local backend IP Address and Server Port

[18:56:46]

brad2:

oooh this could be it, i don't have a mysql.txt for some reason

[18:56:47]

wagnerrp:

how would you get the column names from a 'joined' query in mysql?

[18:56:57]

brad2:

but i know i ran mythtv-setup and set those values (i thought)

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wagnerrp:

normally, you could run 'desc', but that only works on single tables

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sphery:

brad2: no mysql.txt isn't bad--it's actually a good thing--if you have a config.xml

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brad2:

okay i have config.xml, and it seems to be set up properly

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brad2:

i do get this message, before it goes buck wild with those sql statements: 2009-11–20 14:01:30.671 Warning: container 'mythvideo' is missing child 'coverart'

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justinh:

bad theme

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justinh:

mythbuntu theme IIRC

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justinh:

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Sedorox:

bottom

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gbee:

no it's not a bad theme, coverart is not required

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gbee:

it's a warning with extra verbose, not an error

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gbee:

hence 'warning'

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gbee:

and even then, it's mis-leading, it should be 'Notice' or maybe shouldn't even report anything

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** gbee leans to the latter **

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justinh:

think I remember seeing actual errors from one of the new themes

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iamlindoro:

There's an open ticket that cleans up some of the <value>s that should be <template>s... I ought to look at it

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justinh:

hahaha it was an errant edit

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justinh:

accidentally pasted a URL into a theme file. sheesh man

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gbee:

"Virgin Media will soon launch the entire Generation Kill mini-series on its on-demand platform." < Well now I just need to find a machine to put the PVR-150 in

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gbee:

still, it will be better watching it on there than in a web browser

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gbee:

and less time pressure to watch the first six

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jarle:

in 0.22, when editing a recording and jumping by 20 seconds (or more), the picture of the new frame just flickers for a short moment, and then the original frame is displayed. jumping less than 20 seconds works just fine. Anybody else see this? A known bug?

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luux:

that don't look like a bug

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jarle:

luux: really???

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iamlindoro:

Guess you don't know what a bug is, then

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iamlindoro:

jarle, that guy has been periodically trolling for two days, ignore

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jarle:

iamlindoro: :)

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iamlindoro:

jarle, There was a similar problem with the Xv renderer in standard def material just before the release, is that the case here?

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brad2:

anyone seen an error like this before: MythSocket(a869398:-1): writeStringList: Error, No data written on writeBlock (1 errors)

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iamlindoro:

If it is, and you could try another rendering method like VDPAU or OpenGL and confirm it goes away then, and give me your revision and version numbers, I'll see about reopening the ticket

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jarle:

iamlindoro: might be, but I'm using 0.22-fixes from svn as a couple of days ago..

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iamlindoro:

brad2, that's usually when the backend is overwhelmed with I/O... possibly the case for you right now?

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iamlindoro:

jarle, Check your renderer and confirm it's Xv... change, and if it goes away, I'll reopen

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luux:

ok, that's not nice. I am haven't trolled here.

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luux:

I am a mythtv user

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jarle:

iamlindoro: will run upstairs and check right now...

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iamlindoro:

luux, If you are going to speak, make it worthwhile, or at least accurate

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brad2:

iamlindoro: hmmm i don't think it should be overwhelmed, but i get a bunch of those right before my frontend can't connect anymore... i wait a few mins and it starts working again.. will go check other logs to see if anything funny going on with machine

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jarle:

iamlindoro: I can't seem to find the correct place to change the renderer?

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iamlindoro:

playback profiles

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justinh:

video playback profiles

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justinh:

tv settings > playback

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iamlindoro:

(page 3)

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jarle:

thnx...

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msphobia:

I am having a very strange problem on a new frontend, all of the other frontends are working fine, but most of the SQL commands seem to be silently failing, SELECTS and UPDATES. For instance in the log I see:

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msphobia:

2009-11–20 15:01:51.695 MSqlQuery::exec() "SELECT basename FROM recorded WHERE chanid = '2111' AND starttime = '2009-11–20T12:29:00';"

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msphobia:

2009-11–20 15:01:51.695 GetRecordBasename found no entry for 2111 @ 2009-11–20T12:29:00

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msphobia:

but when I run that same select statement from the mysql CLI it returns a row. This is just one example, all sorts of things are broken because of this, like none of the config options being settable. Does anyone have an idea of what could be causing this?

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iamlindoro:

Man, bitrate for FlashForward here is just plain embarassing

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iamlindoro:

1.7 GB for the whole show in 720p Smell-o-vision MPEG-2

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wagnerrp:

wow... and here i complain about my 3GB (after clipping) recordings

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iamlindoro:

it's funny because there are definitely channels whose bitrate is ginourmous

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iamlindoro:

But now that I think about it, I think they started muxing in an HD subchannel for the local ABC affiliate

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iamlindoro:

.2 is the weather, and .3 is "Living Well HD"

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jarle:

iamlindoro: I can confirm that changing the rendrer from xv-blit to opengl removed the problem...

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justinh:

heh my last FF recording in 576i SD was just over 1.2GB

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iamlindoro:

jarle, okay, I'll reopen the ticket, #7055

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iamlindoro:

jarle, can you get me your revision please?

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JREwing:

hello everyone, do anyone have an expirience, if is possible (maybe in later development versions in SVN) with MythTV to decode EPG information from network Mpeg stream?

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jarle:

iamlindoro: Revisjon: 22858

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wagnerrp:

yeah, most of my stuff is 3.5–4GB

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wagnerrp:

i get some small stuff at 3GB

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iamlindoro:

jarle, okay, ticket reopened

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wagnerrp:

and looking back, it seems Chuck recorded at ~5.5GB

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justinh:

JREwing: EIT data you mean? sure it works in Europe

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if i forgot to clip those...

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JREwing:

Thanks for replay justinh, yes, I mean EIT, but not from DVB card, but from network stream

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gbee:

5.5Gb is pretty high for SD

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wagnerrp:

no, 2537 seconds... 5.5GB for just the show itself

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justinh:

JREwing: from IPTV? Eeek no

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justinh:

wasn't aware they even put that stuff in the streams

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gbee:

as for 1.7GB HD ... my average SD recording is 2GB

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JREwing:

justinh: yes, kind of IPTV, Iam capturing DVB-T stream and sending it to MythTV box, including EPG information

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justinh:

ouch

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iamlindoro:

sounds dodgy

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justinh:

talk about an edge case

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wagnerrp:

why would you do such a thing? tuner card on a windows box due to lack of linux drivers?

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gbee:

corner at best

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JREwing:

yes, I know, my solutions are always complicated :-D justinh

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iamlindoro:

I think we should have the courage to say "Sorry, we can't support insane stuff."

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iamlindoro:

of course, there's always MOARSETTINZ

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wagnerrp:

s/insane/ludicrous/

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wagnerrp:

JREwing: whats with all the plaid?

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justinh:

OI! JREwing NO unsolicited MSGs

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justinh:

****head

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JREwing:

Sorry justinh, Iam kinda new here. Iam little lost in the everyone chat

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wagnerrp:

oh, but you seem so willing to help

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iamlindoro:

You guys are friends now, sorry

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iamlindoro:

Since you spoke to him

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JREwing:

wagnerrp: I dont understand.. :-/

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wagnerrp:

youre doing ludicrous stuff, youre working in plaid..... ludicrous speed, plaid, bleh...

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sid3windr:

ludicrous speed :D

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justinh:

speed/crack

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wagnerrp:

seems youtube is shutting down their backend (non-flash) api

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gbee:

no more sugar for you lot

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wagnerrp:

i guess that means no more youtube on the iphone

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wagnerrp:

i wonder what that will do for android sales

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justinh:

nothing makes my blood boil faster than unsolicted MSGs

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justinh:

call it petty if you want :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, real salt or bust

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justinh:

heh did the release notes not include what was removed? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/409286

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JREwing:

heh wagnerrp :-D my situation is simple :-D have a server with DVB cards on the roof, it has no storage, only 100Mb line, but powerfull enought to transport streams from air to network. And have a powerfull server runing in my ESX infrastructure with huge storage. And I want to have one to capture, and the powerfull one to serve clients (computres and STBs) holding recordings and so.. I havet found any solution to realize it

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wagnerrp:

JREwing: does the server on the roof run linux?

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JREwing:

yes

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wagnerrp:

does it have >256MB of memory?

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JREwing:

as same as the storage one

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justinh:

anyone ever been tempted to send Richard Morton's mobile number to a cold calling company?

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jduggan:

who? =]

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justinh:

"Please excuse brevity and mistakes, this email was composed on a mobile phone"

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wagnerrp:

so run a mythbackend slave on it, have it save to an NFS share, and set mythtv up to always stream from the master

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wagnerrp:

in other news... teen lists 'killing people' as hobby on facebook, subsequently get arrested by the police

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justinh:

wagnerrp: you know that's not the way the tech leet do things

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JREwing:

wagnerrp: I have tryed it, BUT.. live TV for one client maybe, if I try to watch TV from two places (different channels) and record two program from one transponder, it was not possible. But DVB solved for example by VLC can stream and record whole transponder. Switching cards by user was also confusing. I tried to solve it little simplier way.

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wagnerrp:

and.... a man gets married to a character in 'Love Plus'

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justinh:

the best way would be to receive the stream, turn it into a pulse modulated optical stream & direct the beams into a master backend running on a nvidia ion system

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wagnerrp:

he even carried his DS down the aisle in a church in Guam

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justinh:

and rather than hard disk storage, store the pulses in a flux capacitor & travel back in time to when the show was actually on]

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wagnerrp:

JREwing; mythtv can handle multirec on DVB just fine

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wagnerrp:

go back and try it again

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JREwing:

wagnerrp: you mean "recording" option? it can be set to 5 max

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

why ever would you want to record more than that... you actually get more streams than that over DVB-T?

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wagnerrp:

more than five on a single multiplex worth watching?

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JREwing:

there is 4 TV and 5 radios

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wagnerrp:

and you want to record on more than five of those at once?

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justinh:

hack the code to allow more than five

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wagnerrp:

or, buy another tuner

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justinh:

people have tested more than ten

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justinh:

it's a one line change

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wagnerrp:

chances are there are going to be shows on other tuners you may want to record

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wagnerrp:

if you have half a dozen frontends

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JREwing:

sorry wagnerrp, DC :-) I told only what I have tried and what was not going.. I only want to have a bucket of programs, no meter on which card it is tuned, the user dont need to know it, all awailable for record at one time

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idd003:

i am using KnoppMyth. does anyone know how to use VNC on it?

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JREwing:

the controling the "digital" system which can record and broadcast whole transponder at once

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JREwing:

ops.. sorry

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JREwing:

the "digital" system which can record and broadcast whole transponder at once, can multiplaing the same stream must be controled to choose which tuner to use?

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idd003__:

i am using KnoppMyth. Does anybody know how i can connect through VNC?

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wagnerrp:

idd003__: you dont need to repeatedly connect and ask the same question

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idd003__:

sorry, my computer is messed up...

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idd003__:

:/

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iamlindoro:

You should ask in #linhes

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iamlindoro:

We're really more here for myth support, not distro support

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purefusion:

has anyone here gotten netflix working with ubuntu?

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wagnerrp:

netflix has no linux client

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** justinh waves byebye to mythflix **

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wagnerrp:

theyre dropping it?

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iamlindoro:

it's been dropped already

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iamlindoro:

last week

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sphery:

along with PVR-350 TV out :)

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wagnerrp:

ah, didnt even notice

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wagnerrp:

i did see the latter

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wagnerrp:

although with complaints about it

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sphery:

and there was much rejoicing!

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sphery:

one complaint, right?

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sphery:

or were there more in here?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but he hates us anyway

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** iamlindoro just wishes there was another plugin waiting in the wings to bring excitement to the masses **

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sphery:

f-pvr-350-tv-out

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** mag0o searches for a little birdie that would know anything about cool plugins **

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Twitter is just a fad--kind of like that "Internet" thing

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wagnerrp:

mythcoffee

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sphery:

I'm still waiting on MythNNTP

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devinheitmueller:

But without the PVR-350 TV out, how am I going to use the latest and greatest version of MythTV on my seven year old computer?????

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wagnerrp:

it acts as a replacement for the sleep timer, instead interfacing with existing X10 systems in your home to operate your coffee maker

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mag0o:

MythSandwich

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purefusion:

I don't think I can use MythTV then, if I have to run windows to watch netflix

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wagnerrp:

when the sleep timer goes off, it triggers a popup to remind you to drink another pot

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purefusion:

dual booting an HTPC sucks

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wagnerrp:

dont watch netflix?

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sphery:

devinheitmueller: oh, and no offense to the vendors of the PVR-350--just that the TV out support on it is an anachonism (as you implied :)

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purefusion:

that and virtualization alike

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devinheitmueller:

purefusion: you, complain to Microsoft and Netflix. It's their fault they built in DRM that makes it illegal to support under Linux.

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purefusion:

wagnerrp: that's what I do now, but I'm missing out

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sphery:

vendor/manufacturer/whatever

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wagnerrp:

purefusion: are you?

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purefusion:

sure

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devinheitmueller:

sphery: I will be glad to see it gone. One less thing to complicate the code (and one less screen in mythtv-setup to confuse users as to what the hell it does).

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justinh:

I have mythsudoku here

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sphery:

yeah... and now, since there's Xv support in the ivtvfb driver and since decoding 720x480 MPEG-2 @ 9.8Mbps is a walk in the park, there's really no reason to use the decoder, anyway

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wagnerrp:

sphery: oh, im sure that the makers of the pvr350 dont care what you say about it any longer, considering they havent sold it in a long time

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justinh:

currently just a sudoku puzzle on a piece of paper stuck to the monitor attached to my backend but hey

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sphery:

heh, true

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purefusion:

how about MythDolphin ?

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wagnerrp:

something to alert you of impending highway construction?

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justinh:

and then there's MythRambo3 which autogenerates plugins whenever rambo3 comes in asking about them

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purefusion:

lol, nah

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laga_:

justinh: LOL

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wagnerrp:

i havent seen him in ages

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wagnerrp:

!seen rambo3

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MythLogBot:

rambo3 was last seen 20 days 4 hours 19 minutes 54 seconds ago

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justinh:

and mythclever, which simulates never ending high load scenarios for stress testing

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purefusion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_(emulator)

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purefusion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_%28emulator%29 even

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justinh:

mythdustybin.. that's just annoying

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iamlindoro:

purefusion, we already have a emulator launcher

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wagnerrp:

purefusion: well we have mythgame for that

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laga_:

justinh: on an i386

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purefusion:

hmmm, cool

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iamlindoro:

!seen joomlafan

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MythLogBot:

joomlafan has not been seen here

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justinh:

laga_: with or without the turbo button pressed?

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iamlindoro:

WTF was is other name?

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sphery:

purefusion: wouldn't that be MythGame?

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purefusion:

sphery: apparently so

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wagnerrp:

sphery: always so slow on the uptake

[21:14:52]

laga_:

justinh: w/o the turbo button, the nfs root will become stale

[21:14:57]

sphery:

ah, I'm too slow?

[21:15:09]

sphery:

I've even been practicing my speed reeding

[21:15:10]

justinh:

I'm still waiting for a plugin to let me organise & play my video collection

[21:15:17]

sphery:

up to 3 baskets per hour, now

[21:15:23]

iamlindoro:

!seen joomla_user

[21:15:23]

MythLogBot:

joomla_user was last seen 397 days 3 hours 40 minutes 12 seconds ago

[21:15:27]

iamlindoro:

there we go

[21:15:32]

wagnerrp:

i wasnt even the first to respond, iamlindoro beat me

[21:15:40]

sphery:

wow

[21:16:49]

devinheitmueller:

How about MythWatchMythtv-users-irc? That way I can have the running IRC channel in a PIP window on my television!

[21:16:54]

purefusion:

sphery: define "baskets" :P

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: there actually is a request on the wiki for a 'VNC virtual tuner'

[21:18:00]

purefusion:

my TV isn't even clear enough to browse the web, let alone deal with VNC

[21:18:05]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Yeah, I assume that's to add support for the VNC network protocol for remote tuning/viewing.

[21:18:09]

purefusion:

but otherwise it sounds nice

[21:18:30]

wagnerrp:

yeah, so you could pull up a 'channel' of VNC, running an IRC client

[21:18:41]

devinheitmueller:

purefusion: well, then you are stuck on 0.21 then. Nobody ever guaranteed that the latest and greatest MythTV features wouldn't require you to have reasonably new hardware.

[21:18:59]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Ah. Sorry, I misread "VNC" as "VLC"

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justinh:

MythCrack – like mythvodka but more extreme

[21:20:18]

purefusion:

devinheitmueller: I think you're confusing me with devinheitmueller

[21:20:41]

iamlindoro:

justinh, Myth users are already up all night keeping their backends up, Crack unneeded

[21:20:44]

purefusion:

<devinheitmueller> But without the PVR-350 TV out, how am I going to use the latest and greatest version of MythTV on my seven year old computer?????

[21:21:17]

justinh:

7 year old? my current backend is a 2000XP thing

[21:21:52]

wagnerrp:

backend... so you wouldnt be using it for video out?

[21:22:07]

justinh:

it has a nvidia fx5200 inside

[21:22:32]

Dagmar:

Good enough for s-video/scart output of SD, definitely

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justinh:

no need to deinterlace with its patented quick & dirty flicker filter too :)

[21:23:30]

SirThomas_Home:

Running 0.21 on my fedora-8 backend. I want to setup a new front end, and I can't remember what stupid password I used for the mysql database. Also, I cannot find where mythtv stores that info on the server. Any ideas? There is no /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[21:25:17]

devinheitmueller:

purefusion: Yeah, this is me only half-paying-attention. Somehow I transposed your being a Netflix user with your being a PVR-350 user.

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purefusion:

devinheitmueller: I forgive you :P

[21:26:10]

devinheitmueller:

purefusion: well, I wasn't apologizing. Just stating a fact. :-p

[21:26:16]

purefusion:

I actually have a Haupauge something or other

[21:26:26]

devinheitmueller:

purefusion: yeah, me too.

[21:26:47]

purefusion:

can never remember what it is, it came with this machine

[21:26:53]

iamlindoro:

ah, the SOO-150

[21:27:26]

purefusion:

Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1800

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purefusion:

ATSC/QAM support ftw

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devinheitmueller:

purefusion: I assume you're doing digital only then, because the last I heard the 1800 had problems with analog.

[21:28:59]

purefusion:

actually I'm doing nothing atm :/

[21:29:37]

purefusion:

all I know is my HTPC has no room for anything non-USB, as far as capture cards

[21:30:18]

devinheitmueller:

purefusion: that's a shame, since the PCI/PCIe cards tend to be *much* better suited for HTPC use. The USB devices just aren't as durable for 24x7 use.

[21:30:49]

devinheitmueller:

(and most don't have an onboard MPEG encoder for analog, hence if you need analog it works but is much more expensive on the host CPU)

[21:30:59]

purefusion:

I only have one mini PCIe, and it's used by a wireless N which I'm reluctant to drop

[21:31:44]

devinheitmueller:

purefusion: Wow, you bought a PC with no one available slot? That doesn't sound like very good foresight.

[21:31:55]

devinheitmueller:

s/no/only/

[21:31:59]

justinh:

devinheitmueller: took the words right out of my mouth

[21:32:01]

SirThomas_Home:

apparently, mythtv stores info somewhere... but not anywhere I can find. This is annoying.

[21:32:09]

justinh:

SirThomas_Home: in the database!

[21:32:16]

purefusion:

devinheitmueller: other than that lacking, it's a really great board

[21:32:47]

purefusion:

but I wasn't going to get anything bigger than micro itx, and it seems that flaw exists with just about each board

[21:32:48]

devinheitmueller:

purefusion: that's a pretty huge deficiency.

[21:33:03]

devinheitmueller:

Oh, it's one of *those* systems. Ok.

[21:33:16]

purefusion:

I was gonna get a HDHomeRun, but I am on analog :/

[21:33:30]

devinheitmueller:

The HVR-1950 is pretty good.

[21:33:40]

purefusion:

so if you're right about the 1800 not supporting analog, I may be SOL

[21:33:46]

devinheitmueller:

It's USB and has an MPEG encoder, so it doesn't have the issues found with most USB devices.

[21:33:59]

purefusion:

hmmm

[21:34:12]

devinheitmueller:

The 1800 does support analog, although there is a bug in its dealing with MythTV that hasn't been debugged.

[21:34:50]

purefusion:

oh, yeah I remember hearing something about that

[21:35:18]

purefusion:

ouch, $137

[21:35:18]

devinheitmueller:

The 1950 is probably the only USB device I would recommend for a real HTPC. Sure, I did some work to make some other devices work under Myth (like the HVR-950Q), but I still wouldn't recommend it except for light use.

[21:36:05]

devinheitmueller:

Yup, it's pricey – it's an exotic configuration.

[21:36:10]

purefusion:

define 'light use'

[21:36:22]

purefusion:

we watch maybe 2 hours per day

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SirThomas_Home:

justinh: lol

[21:36:56]

devinheitmueller:

Well, I probably wouldn't use it 24x7. Also, it will put considerable load on your PC since without the MPEG encoder, your host CPU has to do the MPEG compression to store the raw video on disk.

[21:37:37]

Wicked:

hmm any ideas why my backend logs ares being flooded by http://pastebin.com/m2002935f

[21:38:44]

devinheitmueller:

Most of the USB based devices are geared for "let's watch a bit of TV on my laptop". They are designed as robustly as a product designed to run 24x7 in an HTPC.

[21:38:58]

justinh:

someone hacked your backend & replaced all the mythbackend log entries with a pastebin URL? :-O

[21:39:13]

devinheitmueller:

justinh: :-p

[21:39:34]

Wicked:

hehe yea. thats the issue.

[21:39:41]

Wicked:

so why did mythtv let that happen?

[21:39:44]

Wicked:

;o

[21:40:17]

justinh:

Wicked: you're using the backend machine as an internet facing router

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purefusion:

hmmm, this is intriguing: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Y8K8U0?i . . . N=B000Y8K8U0

[21:40:45]

mag0o:

hehe – "Anyone know if I can accomplish that in Vista?"

[21:41:17]

justinh:

mag0o: open the networking control panel & select 'internet connection sharing'

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devinheitmueller:

purefusion: It's analog only, and it doesn't have an MPEG encoder, and I doubt it is supported under Linux.

[21:41:27]

SirThomas_Home:

I just created a new mysql user with a password I know... yay.

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purefusion:

devinheitmueller: I guess I should just pony up for the 1950 then

[21:43:00]

devinheitmueller:

Weird. I've never even heard of TERRESTBIAL.

[21:45:33]

Dagmar:

It's a lard-based transmission

[21:45:42]

devinheitmueller:

Dagmar: heh.

[21:45:53]

justinh:

wonder when we're gonna see DVB-ET tuners

[21:46:04]

purefusion:

Terrestbial... swedish for Terrible?

[21:46:42]

justinh:

bork bork bork

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devinheitmueller:

I'm just saying, if you want some confidence that it works with Linux, it helps to not choose a product from a company that nobody has ever heard of.

[21:47:42]

devinheitmueller:

It's bad enough that I go out of my way to make K-World's really crappy products work.

[21:48:49]

justinh:

oh dear. I really should practise what I preach

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tjw:

i'm using mythtv 0.22-fixes (mythbuntu) using hdmi for audio. everything works fine except when i'm in the mythtv menus i get strange audio static after the menus are up for about 5 seconds and it continues until audio starts to play again

[21:58:19]

tjw:

does anyone know what could cause this?

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iamlindoro:

Yay, Black Mesa Project updated their web site, coming out sooooooooon

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laga_:

iamlindoro: nice

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wagnerrp:

well theyve been saying out by the end of the year

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iamlindoro:

yeah, but now they've actually put that on the front page, sounds like it means they're confident about it

[22:04:57]

wagnerrp:

their site has looked that way for a couple months

[22:05:08]

iamlindoro:

their trailers and screenshots are sick

[22:05:09]

Dagmar:

NightHawkTheSane: Is that SFW?

[22:05:17]

iamlindoro:

ah, maybe so, I only look when it occurs to me

[22:05:32]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i thought to check in on it a month or so ago

[22:05:33]

Dagmar:

You think maybe we'll finally see an EP3?

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laga_:

their twitter feed hasn't updated in a while etc

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speedbacon:

is anyone around that can help me with a mythweb issue?

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iamlindoro:

You'll never know unless you ask your question

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speedbacon:

hehe, ok — I'm trying to get remote working and I get 401 errors in my apache logs

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speedbacon:

the rest of mythweb works great

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speedbacon:

"POST /mythweb/remote/keys HTTP/1.1" 401

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Dagmar:

speedbacon: look carefully at the comments in the config fragment you imported to Apache for MythWeb to work

[22:43:30]

Dagmar:

It drops very unsubtle hints about what you had to do to make streaming work

[22:43:30]

lwizardl:

hey does anyone know where the ir reader are on the comcast samsung rng110 boxes ?

[22:43:39]

Dagmar:

Same thing applies to this other thing you're trying

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justinh:

lwizardl: prolly behind the plastic front. you need a hammer

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speedbacon:

ok, thanks Dagmar. I'll look into that.

[22:44:36]

justinh:

or a chainsaw. whatever's closer to hand

[22:46:22]

lwizardl:

well crapcast is here right now to switch out my dct6200 and they are giving me this new rng110 samsung cable box and i'm not liking this box so far

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justinh:

a bright torch will help you locate the IR receiver

[22:47:58]

brad2:

hey guys, is it possible to use GDB on mythfrontend to see where this call GetSettingOnHost in mythvideo that is thrashing my db is coming from?

[22:48:39]

devinheitmueller:

brad2: sure. Just open a terminal window and run "gdb /usr/bin/mythtv-frontend"

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brad2:

thanks, do you have any advice about how to set the breakpoint? I can't seem to get it to recognize this function "GetSettingOnHost(const QString &, const QString &, const QString &)"

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sphery:

line numbers rule

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devinheitmueller:

I don't know the mythtv codebase that well, but I would assume that is probably a class method.

[22:50:35]

brad2:

yeah it's a function in the mythdb class lib

[22:50:41]

devinheitmueller:

(so you would either need to use file/line number, or specify the full name of the method) e.g. "b FooClass::GetSettingOnHost"

[22:50:46]

brad2:

sphery: can i just use the mythdb.cpp filename and a line number?

[22:50:52]

sphery:

yeah

[22:51:08]

sphery:

break filename:linenum

[22:51:40]

sphery:

but basically, that is the function that's called to retrieve most every setting in myth, so it gets called a lot

[22:52:01]

sphery:

when is it thrashing your DB?

[22:54:20]

sphery:

brad2: there's a good chance that something like http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7616 would limit the number of calls to that function, but it shouldn't be thrashing the DB. In his testing, danielk found that with many hundred DB hits before playback, it was adding about 0.2s to initialization.

[22:54:35]

pedro:

My slave backend is disconnecting after a couple recording – consistently, with processes for preview generation and commflagging being left around. mythbackend process is still there too, but nothing more is written in the log. anyone else had this problem?

[22:54:46]

sphery:

so "thrashing" from a "lots of hits" it may do, but from a "causes performance issues" it shouldn't

[22:54:55]

brad2:

basically when i load mythvideo, it seems to call this SQL call repeatedly: MSqlQuery::exec() "SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'BackendServerIP' AND hostname = 'naruto' ;"

[22:55:07]

brad2:

it almost seems to be directly related to how many files i have in mythvideo

[22:55:27]

brad2:

sphery: sorry thrashing was a bad choice of words, it seems to slow my mythvideo load by about 3 seconds or so

[22:57:21]

sphery:

as we mentioned earlier, BackendServerIP should be cached. However, it's only cached in-process, so if a new process is spawned (such as the preview generator processes--one per preview--that may be spawned when entering Watch Recordings), it may look like "mythbackend is constantly asking for that setting's value" when really it's, "the hundreds of mythbackend processes each ask for that value once"

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brad2:

ahhh i see

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sphery:

I don't think mythvideo is doing any preview gen, though, so I don't know why you'd see it a lot in mythvideo

[22:58:24]

brad2:

yeah i'm at my wits end, it's not a huge problem

[22:58:28]

brad2:

just something that is purplexing me

[22:58:36]

brad2:

although i should probably leave it for the pofessionals ;)

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devinheitmueller:

The pofessionals? Is that like the po-lice?

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sphery:

purlexing is like what Barnie does to people?

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sphery:

(I hope I got the children-oriented purple dinosaur's name correct, there)

[23:00:08]

brad2:

hahaha

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brad2:

curse my lack of spelling

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brad2:

;)

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brad2:

hmmm, interestingly, if i switch to graphite, my delay is much much shorter

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iamlindoro:

What you're seeing is what we in the biz call "The Inverse Graphite Effect"

[23:10:39]

iamlindoro:

as we know, Graphite brings powerful systems to their knees, crashes backends, ruins the environment, and gets your teen daughter pregnant

[23:10:51]

brad2:

hahaha

[23:10:57]

iamlindoro:

So when something works while using Graphite, that's the Inverse Graphite Effect

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wagnerrp:

were through the looking glass people

[23:13:09]

brad2:

hey iamlindoro, what is the link to your new theme preview? The one after graphite?

[23:13:35]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight/Welcome.html

[23:13:40]

wagnerrp:

staples and office depot both have lower end UPSs on black friday, if anyone is looking

[23:13:45]

wagnerrp:

450VA and 550VA

[23:13:49]

wagnerrp:

both APC

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Dagmar:

So that probably means that they'll have like, two per store

[23:14:57]

brad2:

mmm looks so nice

[23:15:03]

iamlindoro:

thanks :)

[23:15:03]

wagnerrp:

dont know... $20 and $25, respectively

[23:15:17]

iamlindoro:

It looks a fair bit different now, but same basic idea

[23:15:39]

wagnerrp:

either way, most people wont be rushing to buy the big ugly heavy brick

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skd5aner:

Good evening everyone!

[23:23:01]

skd5aner:

I was reading through this post: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/408896&nbs p;– regarding fan art for tv recordings within graphite

[23:23:42]

skd5aner:

is there any way within the UI to instantiate the metadata retrieval for a show or is jamu the only way (at the moment) within .22?

[23:24:06]

iamlindoro:

Jamu is the only automated way presently

[23:24:09]

skd5aner:

to clarify – within the watch recordings menu, not within video

[23:24:21]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: that's what I thought, thanks.

[23:24:24]

iamlindoro:

np

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skd5aner:

I haven't tried jamu yet – I don't have storage groups for mythvideo yet, just recordings

[23:24:57]

iamlindoro:

You don't need Storage Groups to use Jamu

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iamlindoro:

it'll work with either

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skd5aner:

and I have about 50% of my movies already populated with data from IMDB from a few years ago, does Jamu skip those, or overwrite with "new" data?

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: yea, I wasn't sure if it really mattered too much to do it sans storage groups or not

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skd5aner:

eventually I'll move there, but got too many ISOs right now

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RDV_Linux_:

Jamu will try to fill in any missing metadata for those videos that already have metadata. Please do a backup of your db before using jamu.

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skd5aner:

haha – oblig "backup the db first" line ;)

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skd5aner:

so, I'm assuming that if some of the metadata fields are populated, jamu will ignore, but fill in the missing info (and artwork)

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RDV_Linux_:

skd5aner: THat is suppose to be how it works

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skd5aner:

gotcha – what if you want to refresh/update existing metadata?

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skd5aner:

I'm debating if it's worth it to just trash the old IMDB grabbed info, and just populate from scratch with TMBD

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lwizardl:

anyone here using a rng110 digital cable box ?

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skd5aner:

what's the easiest way to reset ALL metadata within mythvideo? I see on the wiki that you can go file by file and reset it

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iamlindoro:

point it at an empty dir, scan, point it back at the dir dir, rescan

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iamlindoro:

er the right dir

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