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Wednesday, November 18th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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justinh:

what a cock

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brad2:

indeed

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brad2:

it's people like him, that make this channel bitchy

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brad2:

;)

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justinh:

oof. last time I ever enable different repos on an ubuntu box

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justinh:

now update mangler wants to dist upgrade

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justinh:

oh thats just sweet. it wants to go back to 185 nvidia drivers, reinstall pulseaudio... GRRR

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justinh:

that's a tad heavy-handed IMHO

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iamlindoro:

These "MythTVCast" guys make me insane

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iamlindoro:

If you don't know *what* the hell you are talking about, PLEASE don't release a podcast called "The MythTVCast"

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iamlindoro:

We really need an officialish news outlet

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daMaestro:

anyone know how to get to the show details menu when in the watch recordings screen with 0.22?

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daMaestro:

i used to just select right (arrow key right) but that now just takes me back to the show selection pane

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wagnerrp:

in 0.22, the arrow key accelerators have been disabled

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mangus580:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

somewhat hard to do those when you can have horizontal and vertical lists

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wagnerrp:

the relative tasks have been distributed between the 'm' and 'i' menus

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daMaestro:

ah, i was looking for i

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daMaestro:

thanks much wagnerrp

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daMaestro:

the new workflow is nice so far

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daMaestro:

oh noes.. except the 'storage location' has been removed from the program details view

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daMaestro:

is there any way to get that information anymore?

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daMaestro:

or do i have to go back to doing a rename task post-recording?

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wagnerrp:

if you want to manually access recordings in mythtv, look into mythrename.pl

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wagnerrp:

use the '--link' option

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daMaestro:

right, mythrename.pl as a task

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wagnerrp:

s/task/cronjob/

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daMaestro:

i used to run that as a job post-recording

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wagnerrp:

should not be run as a user job

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daMaestro:

k

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wagnerrp:

if you allow multiple simultaneous jobs, you risk a race condition

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wagnerrp:

better to just run at a regular interval through cron

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daMaestro:

ah yeah, that makes sense, i've only one backend so i guess i never managed to run into that

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daMaestro:

odd that i see it shipped in contrib/user_jobs however

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Dagmar:

That doesn't mean it's safe to "just run"

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Dagmar:

It's there to save people who are careful some time not having to write it themselves.

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Lexridge:

hey guys, just upgraded to 0.22, and I cannot get the frontend to connect to mysql. I get the language screen, then immediality to the cannot connect to database.

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Lexridge:

All the settings are still the same as far as the hostname, user. pw etc

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Lexridge:

any ideas?

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Dagmar:

PAstebin what the frontend is writing to stdout when it fails

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Dagmar:

Without that people can only guess

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Lexridge:

gimme a sec

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Lexridge:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1675831

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Dagmar:

You sure you JUST upgraded Myth alone?

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Dagmar:

It would appear you upgraded to Qt4 as well, right?

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Lexridge:

Well, I had to upgrade qt4.3 to qt5.4

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Lexridge:

Well, I had to upgrade qt4.3 to qt4.5

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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Lexridge:

rather

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Dagmar:

Yeah, remember the thing that would break mysql connections for people who "just" installed Qt3?

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Dagmar:

It appears the same "issue" exists with Qt4.

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Lexridge:

what is that issue?

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Dagmar:

Make certain you have the sql driver for Qt4 installed.

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Lexridge:

oh

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Dagmar:

People would install Qt3 without the sql bindings

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Dagmar:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/367053

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Lexridge:

yea, I remember that now

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Dagmar:

Yeah looks like the same thing is going on

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Dagmar:

That one error that was repeated over and over looked significant enough, so I just googled it

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Lexridge:

humm, would the sql bindings be part of the trolltech qtsdk dist?

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Dagmar:

Dunno.

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Lexridge:

because that is what I built it from

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Dagmar:

If you built it from source it probably _didn't_ pick up the mysql headers correctly and didn't build that binding

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Lexridge:

lovely!

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Dagmar:

I've alreayd been through that mess

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Dagmar:

Many people's mysql packags put the mysql.h file that it looks for in /usr/include/mysql, and Qt is still basically lookiing for it as if it were in /usr/include, so it'll miss seeing it and compile without support

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Dagmar:

It's starting to look like I should go through my Qt4 build notes and just write up a page about what to do to make certain the result will be acceptable for use with MythTV

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Lexridge:

Do ya think the configuration option for that would be in mythtv, or in QT?

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Dagmar:

Qt of course

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mangus580:

spoiled by commercial flagging already LOL

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Lexridge:

I did have to "tell" mythtv where to find qmake

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Dagmar:

Myth just has to assume Qt has support, so there's little point in it trying to check anything.

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Lexridge:

oh

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Dagmar:

Oof you need to make sure QTPATH and QTDIR are set correctly in your build environment then.

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Dagmar:

I thought they were doing away with that but it appears not.

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Lexridge:

humm

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Lexridge:

my $QTDIR is pointing to /usr/lib/qt-3.3, but I would think it should

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Dagmar:

Not if you're using Qt4.

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Lexridge:

QTPATH is null, but I did not build in this env

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Dagmar:

...unless you despise correct directory versioning

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Lexridge:

I am using both qt3 and qt4

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Lexridge:

I am still on kde3

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Lexridge:

3.5 actually

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Dagmar:

QTPATH isnt' important at runtime, but if you would like to not have to tell Myth where to find moc and friends when you compile, you'll need it set then

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Lexridge:

dagmar: it found all the mocs just fine. No errors on compile once I set the --qmake= optioin

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Dagmar:

If you have QTPATH set correctly you don't need --qmake

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Dagmar:

If you need --qmake set then things will likely fail.

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Dagmar:

God only knows what'll happen if you have it set pointing to Qt3 stuff

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Lexridge:

ok, I will rebuild mythtv with my QTPATH set correctly

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Lexridge:

hopefully that will take care of this

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Dagmar:

If you made Qt4 put it's files in the same place as Qt3, you have also failed... and it'll be time to do a mercy killing on the filesystem probably

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Dagmar:

...or at least a reinstall of both Qt3 and Qt4

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Lexridge:

QT3 is in a different directory. not a problem there

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Dagmar:

GOod.

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Lexridge:

I will let you know how this turns out.....btw, would this be necessary on the backend as well?

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Lexridge:

the frontend, while running on the backend connects just fine

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Dagmar:

If you would like things to work, then probably so.

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Dagmar:

It has to use the mysql bindings too yaknoa.

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Dagmar:

s/yaknoa/yaknow/;

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Lexridge:

okay

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Lexridge:

thanks for the tips

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Rigor_M:

Hi, Is there a way to keep the mythbackend (master) from putting the tuner in a sleep mode ?

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Dagmar:

It generally doesn't do that. External USB tuner?

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Dagmar:

Far as I know it never tries to put anything to sleep

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Rigor_M:

yeah, Skywalker card

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Rigor_M:

its an external usb connected card

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Dagmar:

Well, it's putting itself to sleep.

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Rigor_M:

its asleep as soon has the backend is alive

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Rigor_M:

ok, so you're saying that its the card and not the backend that is putting it in sleep mode ?

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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Dagmar:

Myth doesn't really try to power down anything unless you seriously go out of your way to configure it to do so

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Dagmar:

It pretty much assumes tuners are always awake and ready to rock

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Rigor_M:

ok. Could it be the USB bus that could do that ?

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Rigor_M:

because I never saw this card going to sleep

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Dagmar:

Easily

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Rigor_M:

I will look in that direction.. I must of checked something in the kernel.

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Rigor_M:

thanks for the big help

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AppleBoy:

anyone know if it's possible to adjust the output volume on the pchdtv-3000 ?

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wagnerrp:

AppleBoy: the hdtv3000 does not have an output to adjust

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Chipdancer:

can anybody tell me why my centos xen mythtv server requires the nvidia-graphics libraries and a kernel module as part of the atrpms mythtv-backend-0.22 package set?

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wagnerrp:

do you have an nvidia card?

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Chipdancer:

wagnerrp: it's a fecking xen guest

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wagnerrp:

well then its a mistake on the atrpms package manager

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wagnerrp:

a backend-only package has no need for video support

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Wicked:

the person who compiled them must have built them with VDPAU support which needs nvidia drivers

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Chipdancer:

that's what I'm wondering...

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** Chipdancer wanders off to post to atrpms-users.... **

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wagnerrp:

note that neither centos nor virtual machines are recommended for mythtv users

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Chipdancer:

wagnerrp: I've been using it like this for well over a year within my opensolaris server and it's been perfectly fine

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Chipdancer:

nfs mount storage dir to have ZFS backend, use HDHomeRun's to have tuners...

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wagnerrp:

just informing you of all the hassle you might experience as a result... but if youve been doing it for a year, you would know that

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wagnerrp:

although you might want to consider just running it bare on solaris

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Chipdancer:

it seems somewhat ludicrous for a package maintainer to dictate the hardware requirements for something like graphics cards on a backend package

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Chipdancer:

wagnerrp: much more hassle than it's worth

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wagnerrp:

assuming you can get it to compile without issue, the hdhr would work fine with it

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Chipdancer:

wagnerrp: that's why I'm usign packages.. less hassle

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Wicked:

once you install the initial dependencies...updating and really easy

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Chipdancer:

Wicked: yep, hence why I'm using packages :)

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Chipdancer:

Wicked: I don't want to be updating hte gazillion dependencies as well

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Wicked:

hehe. to each there own!

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wagnerrp:

well generally centos is running an old kernel, with old drives.... but thats not something you would worry about running in Xen anyway

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wagnerrp:

drivers

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Chipdancer:

especially if they're not part of the OS and given osol will have different priorities to most linux os', I figured it's goign to be significantly easier to do it under linux (which it was)

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Chipdancer:

wagnerrp: atrpms has el5 packages for it...

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Wicked:

im normally like you Chipdancer ...i use my package manager for everything..but i jumped on mytv svn a while ago to get VDPAU support

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Chipdancer:

Wicked: if you are using it as a frontend.. sure...

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Chipdancer:

Wicked: my frontends are either a mac using the mythtvfrontend package or a PS3 or Beyonwiz

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Wicked:

i have fe/be combo

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mzb:

I ran a backend as a Xen domU for a while ... the novelty wore off

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wagnerrp:

mythtvfrontend is defunct, it will no longer function with mythtv 0.22

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Chipdancer:

Wicked: exactly – I like to keep them entirely separate as I tend to avoid using myth as a frontend

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wagnerrp:

thats the 3rd party windows frontend, right?

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Wicked:

what do you use as a frontend?

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wagnerrp:

im thinking of mythtvplayer

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Chipdancer:

Wicked: like I said, a PS3 or a Beyonwiz DP-P1

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Chipdancer:

I've also got a Zensonic Z400 lying around here that would suffice too

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wagnerrp:

on a mac... i should actually read....

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Chipdancer:

wagnerrp: :)

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wagnerrp:

... back to writing and imsomnia...

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AsSlowAsHell:

whoops

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AsSlowAsHell:

haha

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AsSlowAsHell:

should be in -users

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AsSlowAsHell:

not the dev channel

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AsSlowAsHell:

ok so

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AsSlowAsHell:

is there anything anyone can recommend for me

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AsSlowAsHell:

so that i can capture 5 video streams of the same game being played on 5 different consoles

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gizmobay:

Does anyone ever get blank or black recordings every so often?

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AsSlowAsHell:

so that all video recordings will all be synced together?

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AsSlowAsHell:

gizmobay, what capture card do you have?

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gizmobay:

pvr150

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AsSlowAsHell:

hmm, i dont have one of those but, sometimes my blackmagic intensity will have issues locking on to the source video, and thats my only experience with black video

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AsSlowAsHell:

how black / blank? do you get noise?

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gizmobay:

nothing

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gizmobay:

no noise or anything

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AsSlowAsHell:

hmm

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gizmobay:

would've liked to thrown the recording into VLC

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gizmobay:

didn't get a chance to

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gizmobay:

oh well, will investigate more if it happens

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AppleBoy:

wagnerrp: is the only audio out via the port in the back?

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AsSlowAsHell:

i wonder if there is a good program for manual resync of multiple videos

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wagnerrp:

AppleBoy: the 3000 is a digital tuner, and only should be used as such

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wagnerrp:

the audio output of that card is part of a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

a type of tuner not recommended, infrequently used by users in this channel, and as such most users are incapable of helping trouble shoot one

[05:56:05]

wagnerrp:

AsSlowAsHell: this is just for recording, right? youre not intending to watch the captures live?

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AsSlowAsHell:

wagnerrp, yes

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AsSlowAsHell:

errr, maybe one of the captures, but if thats a problem that can be arranged

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AppleBoy:

wagnerrp: why is it not recommended?

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wagnerrp:

AppleBoy: because of the deficiencies of dealing with framegrabbers

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AppleBoy:

is the 5500 a frame grabber too?

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wagnerrp:

they use a lot of power, they require certain real time resources, they may require a separate audio card with audio capture and all the hassles of dealing with synchronization

[05:58:04]

wagnerrp:

yes, the 5500 is a digital tuner plus cheap framegrabber

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AppleBoy:

oh joy

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Chipdancer:

well, got a response on-list about the problem: "That's because mythtv relies on libvdpau now and ATrpms doesn't package vdpau libraries outside the nvidia drivers ; which is wrong IMHO..."

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AppleBoy:

well, the 3000 has lasted me around 3 years, can still get a few more out of it

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wagnerrp:

the 3000 will work great as a digital tuner

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wagnerrp:

but the IVTV cards are the recommendation for anyone still needing analog capture

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wagnerrp:

Chipdancer: thats a perfectly fine response for a combined package

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wagnerrp:

but since its listed as a backend only package, its just plain wrong

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AppleBoy:

does the 3000 capture analog too?

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Chipdancer:

wagnerrp: yep

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** Chipdancer wonders if there are any other respectable packagers of myth for el5 **

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wagnerrp:

the ONLY reason to provide a backend only package is to do so with a reduced dependency list

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wagnerrp:

AppleBoy: if the tuner has an audio out, it almost certainly does not support audio capture

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wagnerrp:

rather relying on the line input of another sound card

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AppleBoy:

1010LT ftw :)

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AppleBoy:

I just don't have my adapter on me and the cord I was using to go directly to my speakers wasn't working too well when the volume got high

[06:02:23]

wagnerrp:

which is one of the main deficiencies of a framegrabber, you need a sound card for each tuner

[06:02:45]

wagnerrp:

cord to go directly to your speakers?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt do livetv

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wagnerrp:

if you do such a thing, you will have several seconds of latency between your audio and your video

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AppleBoy:

I was using tvtime to get it working again

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AppleBoy:

new setup, old system fried, including the HDs

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AppleBoy:

err, as a quick check to see if the card still worked

[06:04:19]

AppleBoy:

my HDs, mobo, ram, cpu, toast

[06:04:30]

AppleBoy:

but it looks like all my PCI cards still work

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AsSlowAsHell:

wagnerrp, speaking of latnecy between autio and video, lmao... is what i want to do doable if i just want to record and not watch live?

[06:06:49]

AppleBoy:

wagnerrp: should the 3000 show up as a dvb device in /proc ?

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AppleBoy:

err, /dev

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wagnerrp:

AppleBoy: /dev/dvb/adapter<n>... yes

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AppleBoy:

hrmm

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AppleBoy:

shows up in v4l but not dvb

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wagnerrp:

AsSlowAsHell: mythtv will always have a several second latency between recording and display, so if you have a framegrabber with the audio shunted directly to the speakers, the video will display several seconds after the audio

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has a 'livetv' mode, but it is still just a special type of recording, still stored to disk, and still with that delay

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AsSlowAsHell:

i see. well in that case, i am just going to be recording then, and splitting the signal before it goes into the capture card for viewing

[06:09:54]

AsSlowAsHell:

sync will still be an issue wont it?

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wagnerrp:

if you have an mpeg encoder, everything will just be taken care of automatically

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AsSlowAsHell:

hardware mpeg?

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wagnerrp:

if you have a framegrabber, you need to set up audio capture properly in mythtv, and it should sync fine

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wagnerrp:

hardware mpeg encoder card... ivtvtdriver.org

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AsSlowAsHell:

hmm. my cards don't have hardware mpeg i dont think

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AsSlowAsHell:

just raw

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wagnerrp:

if youre lucky, they have built in audio capture, if not, youll need a sound card for each

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AsSlowAsHell:

yes, they all have built in audio capture

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AsSlowAsHell:

so A-V sync on each individual card should be OK

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wagnerrp:

sync should be fine regardless... if youre actually recording the audio rather than just letting it play through

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AsSlowAsHell:

i see

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AsSlowAsHell:

what about sync betwen the individual recorded videos?

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wagnerrp:

schedule recording to start at the same time on each

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wagnerrp:

and hopefully they wont be more than a few hundred milliseconds off

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AsSlowAsHell:

what about clock skew?

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wagnerrp:

youre doing this on multiple recording machines?

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wagnerrp:

not just one box with a bunch of tuners?

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AsSlowAsHell:

hmm, i think just one box

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AsSlowAsHell:

im not sure yet, the stuff is in the mail

[06:16:02]

AsSlowAsHell:

just bought 11 assoreted capture cards of ebay

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AsSlowAsHell:

haha

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wagnerrp:

well that sounds like a bundle of joy

[06:16:22]

wagnerrp:

have fun with that

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AsSlowAsHell:

yeah, 2 or 3 Win TV something or other

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AsSlowAsHell:

2 or 3 ATI TV Wonders

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** wagnerrp needs to back to writing **

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AsSlowAsHell:

no breakout cables / boxes, so thatll be fun

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AsSlowAsHell:

ah i see

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AsSlowAsHell:

well see you later then wagnerrp

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AsSlowAsHell:

thanks for the tip

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AsSlowAsHell:

s

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wagnerrp:

you probably should have grabbed a couple CCTV boards

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AsSlowAsHell:

hmm

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AsSlowAsHell:

oh well, i got those 11 capture boards for 30 dollars

[06:18:24]

wagnerrp:

yeah, CCTV stuff would be considerably more expensive

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wagnerrp:

and considerably less hassle

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AsSlowAsHell:

and i already got 2 capture cards to be in perfect sync without much trouble

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AsSlowAsHell:

just with 2 virtualdubs in winDERZ, lawl

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AsSlowAsHell:

so hopefully things will go smoothly

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AsSlowAsHell:

ill try myth, and if that fails maybe rig some kind of a wierd virtualdub setup

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wagnerrp:

you do know mythtv is linux only right?

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AsSlowAsHell:

yeah, i have a few linux boxes, few windows

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AsSlowAsHell:

not a big deal

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AsSlowAsHell:

ill put it all into whatever ends up working

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AsSlowAsHell:

virtualdub just seems to ahve some voodoo sync monkey magic

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AsSlowAsHell:

i dunno, mythTV sounds really robust, so im gonna give it a spin

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AsSlowAsHell:

just gotta wait for my cards to come in

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AsSlowAsHell:

been looking into my options

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AsSlowAsHell:

planning on capturing all to huffy

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wagnerrp:

well then youre definately not doing it with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

myth only supports mjpeg/asp in a nuv container

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AsSlowAsHell:

oh really?

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AsSlowAsHell:

i see

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AsSlowAsHell:

yeah i didnt plan on using mpeg

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AsSlowAsHell:

i want to go to h264

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wagnerrp:

chosen several years ago when avi did not have needed capability

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wagnerrp:

and never updated because the devs have all moved onto digital tuners and mpeg encoders

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AsSlowAsHell:

and mpeg between raw and h264 is just antoher step hurting the quality

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AsSlowAsHell:

i see

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wagnerrp:

mjpeg, not mpeg

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AsSlowAsHell:

yeah, i used the blackmagic intensity mjpeg stuff at one point

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AsSlowAsHell:

hmm, not a big fan

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AsSlowAsHell:

i like raw -> h264

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AsSlowAsHell:

or raw -> huffy -> h264

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AsSlowAsHell:

oh well, if i have sync issues ill try mythTV

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AsSlowAsHell:

i dont think my hardware could hand encoding 4 480i30 and 1 480p60 stream for motionJPEG

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wagnerrp:

its generally estimated around 1GHz required per stream

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wagnerrp:

what do you have?

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AsSlowAsHell:

1.8Ghz core 2 duo overclocked to 2.7GHz

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wagnerrp:

so youre probably good for 4–6 streams

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AsSlowAsHell:

i see

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wagnerrp:

probably more than you can hold tuners

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AsSlowAsHell:

one of those streams is 60fps so i guess it for all intents and purposes i have 6

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wagnerrp:

you can only capture i60

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wagnerrp:

the cards dont support anything else

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AsSlowAsHell:

mine supports 480p60

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AsSlowAsHell:

one of the only ones out there that does

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AsSlowAsHell:

WinFast PxDTV2300 H

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wagnerrp:

assuming that is true, nothing supports outputting 480p60 so it doesnt matter

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AsSlowAsHell:

already tested some EDTV wii 480p and PS2 in 480p mode

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AsSlowAsHell:

wuh? yes it does

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AsSlowAsHell:

all wii games are 480p

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wagnerrp:

so its a component capture card?

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AsSlowAsHell:

and a large portion of the ps2 library support it

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AsSlowAsHell:

yes

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AsSlowAsHell:

the 480p60 one is component

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AsSlowAsHell:

and the other 4 are composite

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wagnerrp:

ok, i thought you were talking about all svideo/compsite

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AsSlowAsHell:

ah, sorry :)

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AsSlowAsHell:

it was harrrd finding one that supports capturing 480p60

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AsSlowAsHell:

that format gets very... overlooked and underloved

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wagnerrp:

for good reason

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AsSlowAsHell:

?

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wagnerrp:

if youre going to run component video, you may as well run a respectable resolution over it

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AsSlowAsHell:

yeah, i agree. but unfortunately, nintendo decided that thats all the wii will be able to do

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wagnerrp:

it was a genius marketing maneuver, but it doesnt negate the fact that their games look like ass

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wagnerrp:

when i first saw ads for Conduit, i thought it was some game for the iphone

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AsSlowAsHell:

haha. yeah the games dont look so great, but. they look completely horrible with interlacing / deinterlaced from interlaced source

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AsSlowAsHell:

and on a old tube TV wii looks pretty good, but upscaled by my HDTV

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AsSlowAsHell:

wii looks like total ASS

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AsSlowAsHell:

but anyway, yes, capturing smash bros fights in 480p60 is much nicer than 480i

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AsSlowAsHell:

which is one reason why i spent forever hunting down an elusive card that supports it

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AsSlowAsHell:

got lucky, 20 bucks on ebay

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AsSlowAsHell:

my blackmagic intensity is completely hopeless on analog streams

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AsSlowAsHell:

oh well, i got it as a HDMI capture card anyway

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wagnerrp:

for what little good it will do

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AsSlowAsHell:

the hdmi capture card?

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AsSlowAsHell:

i use it to record xbox360

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wagnerrp:

you can capture PC games, but the PS3 and xbox will be encrypted/unusable

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AsSlowAsHell:

nah, only PS3

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AsSlowAsHell:

xbox360 isn't HDCP

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wagnerrp:

oh? thats very surprising

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AsSlowAsHell:

thank goodness that people at microsoft were actually sensible

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AsSlowAsHell:

unlike the sony people, ugh

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AsSlowAsHell:

yeah i have plenty of awesome gears of war matches recorded

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AsSlowAsHell:

i record the video and audio from the intensity card, and then the headset speaker and headset microphone splied to 2 audio cards in a seperate computer

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AsSlowAsHell:

and somehow....

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AsSlowAsHell:

they all sync O_o

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AsSlowAsHell:

well i mean, i have to match the start point to the start point

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wagnerrp:

im surprised you can actually manage to record off that blackmagic card

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AsSlowAsHell:

but even with a decently long record time, the sync is still good

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jya:

AsSlowAsHell: the xbox360 is hdcp compliant when it comes to playing hd-dvd

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wagnerrp:

i figured framegrabbing at 3gbps would take a beastly machine

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jya:

mine doesn't play on an old screen non-hdcp

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AsSlowAsHell:

well, uncompressed 720p60 is 115MB/sec

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AsSlowAsHell:

jya, well, i mean, why would i want to capture hd-dvd ?

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wagnerrp:

should be closer to 190MB/s

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jya:

24bits color is 158MiB/s

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wagnerrp:

er... yeah, 160

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jya:

1280x720x3x60

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AsSlowAsHell:

it somes in as HDYC, which is YUVU in 709 color space

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AsSlowAsHell:

so 16 bit

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AsSlowAsHell:

its not RGB

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AsSlowAsHell:

even if it were 160, thats not so bad

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AsSlowAsHell:

for my capture destination i have a 4 drive raid 0 of 1.5TB drives

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AsSlowAsHell:

software

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AsSlowAsHell:

of course

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AsSlowAsHell:

cuase im cheap

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AsSlowAsHell:

works beautifully

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AsSlowAsHell:

210 MB /sec average sustained write

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AsSlowAsHell:

so no problem there

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wagnerrp:

seems rather low

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AsSlowAsHell:

im using the samsung low energy slower rpm drives

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AsSlowAsHell:

5900 rpm?

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AsSlowAsHell:

5400? dont remember now

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AsSlowAsHell:

kinda slow drives compared to the 7200pm WDs

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AsSlowAsHell:

but its not bad, i get about 5% CPU usage when capturing

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AsSlowAsHell:

maybe about 10%-20% if using huffy

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AsSlowAsHell:

and then the rate drops to 40MB/sec or so

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justdave:

I love that I can go into the browser in MythVideo now and organize by Date Added :)

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justdave:

my only peeve with it is that it does an alphabetical sort on the "folders" that creates, which are named like "Tue Nov 17"

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justdave:

so they sort by day-of-week then month instead of actually by the date

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Kunalagon:

hello, I have not yet install mythtv, but I would like to now if it is possible to watch and record tv at the same time, like with xdtv/xawtv ?

[09:11:17]

clever:

the livetv part can play files while recording

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clever:

but there will be ~30 seconds of delay between the video going in and video comming out

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Hoxzer:

Orly? 30secs. Why ?

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Kunalagon:

30 seconds ???

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clever:

various reasons adding up

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Kunalagon:

for that time, I can play it manualy

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clever:

you could get it less, but then performance may suffer

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clever:

i general dont use livetv much

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Kunalagon:

hm, and xdtv plays with no delay, but it play file /dev/video

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clever:

xawtv doesnt use any encoding/decoding

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clever:

it pumps raw video frames directly into the video card ram

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clever:

so virtualy no delays, and no ability to pause/rewind

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Kunalagon:

clever: but it can do recording while watching

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Kunalagon:

and mythtv cant ?

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clever:

the way i'm using mythtv, the pvr150 card will encode everything to mpeg2

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clever:

and mythtv will record that directly to the harddrive

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clever:

and then optionaly, a frontend (local or networked) can play that file

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clever:

but there will be a few seconds of delay

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mchou:

the delay is nowhere near 30 secs

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mchou:

probaly closer to 10

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Kunalagon:

clever: so, imagine you are watching tv, some music tv for example, and you see some nice music video, and start recording. And now...you could not know when to stop recording, because you cannot see

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clever:

all 'live tv' done in myth is recorded

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mchou:

Kunalagon: what??

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clever:

you can decide 25 minutes into the show that you want to 'record' the whole thing, and save the entire 25mins that have already gone by

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Kunalagon:

mchou: oh, it is not too complicated to explane, like old fashion vcrs

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mchou:

Kunalagon: no, it's not the explanation

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mchou:

Kunalagon: we just told you there is a slight delay

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Kunalagon:

oh, I did not understand mchou

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Kunalagon:

so, I can watch tv, and record at the same time with mythtv ?

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mchou:

you start and stop recording, what's that got to do with not to know when to stop recording?

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clever:

you must record whenever your watching

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clever:

everything viewed thru mythtv is recorded

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mchou:

clever: dude, just answer the man

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Kunalagon:

oh

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Kunalagon:

still confused

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clever:

if your watching something, then you are also recording it

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mchou:

clever: no need to clutter hthe answers with overelaborate descriptions

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mchou:

Kunalagon: it's not rocket science

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mchou:

it fucking records. PERIOD

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Kunalagon:

yes, yes, mchou I am saying that all the time

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mchou:

Kunalagon: what all the time?

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Kunalagon:

about rocket science

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mchou:

Kunalagon: formulate a coherent question

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Kunalagon:

ok

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Kunalagon:

here is a question:

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Kunalagon:

Is it posible to watch and record tv (show for example), like in any normal standard video devices, old vcrs, any MS windows apps, home theatre, etc. etc. ?

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king_tut:

Good morning everyone.

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mchou:

Kunalagon: YES

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Kunalagon:

mchou: , I mean in the same time

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king_tut:

Would this be the right place to ask about ttvdb.py issues?

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mchou:

Kunalagon: wtf is this so hard to understand??

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Kunalagon:

hahaha

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mchou:

Kunalagon: YES

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Kunalagon:

mchou: sorry, because

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Kunalagon:

I searched all internet and I found just xawtv and xawtv based apps can do that

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mchou:

Kunalagon: then you need to improve your google fu

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mchou:

Kunalagon: plenty of apps do what you are asking these days

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Kunalagon:

probably, yes, and I did, so I found mythtv, and I saw there is posibility it can do that...

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Kunalagon:

mchou: plenty ? I cant google it, just 2

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mchou:

Kunalagon: I'm not going to help you google

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mchou:

Kunalagon: if you can be competentent in that you dont deserve help

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Kunalagon:

mchou: , no problem , you helped me already

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Kunalagon:

I am going to compile mythtv and give a try

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mchou:

there is no need to compile

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mchou:

plenty of distros with precompiled pakages

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Kunalagon:

yes, but I am using Gentoo mchou

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mchou:

good luck

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king_tut:

I've an issue with ttvdb.py – some TV series (e.g. Babylon 5) aren't being found with a ./ttvdb.py -D "Bablyon 5" 1 3

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king_tut:

But a search of the thetvdb.com website finds the series.

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king_tut:

I've tried adding the series ID in ttvdb.conf, but then it whinges about there not being a matching series

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king_tut:

Actually – scrub all the above.

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king_tut:

I've just reran the commands, and it's suddenly started working. I'm guessing it must be due to the thetvdb.com website moving etc

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king_tut:

Cheers for the help :)

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brett__:

does anyone know of a simple, ie bash scriptable, way to check if myth is currently recording?

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brett__:

I need to write a script to reboot my screen once every couple of days

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brett__:

reboot my machine, not screen

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justinh:

check the http status port

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justinh:

6544 IIRC

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justinh:

http://127.0.0.1:6544/

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brett__:

thanks

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brett__:

will do nicely

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justinh:

audiooutputpulse.cpp.. wth?

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justinh:

ahh http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22690

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justinh:

LOL. Freeview HD in the UK in 6 months.

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justinh:

yeah just pop in your dvb-t2 tuner card, run mythtv-setup.. erm.. wait a minute. Whaddya mean there's no such thing as a dvb-t2 tuner card?! OH NOES!

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Chipdancer:

justinh: what's DVB-T2?

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Dibblah:

DVB-T with an additional modulation.

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Chipdancer:

great, I hope we don't get it in Australia

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justinh:

different modulation scheme altogether AFAIK

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justinh:

backwards compatible with dvb-t but dvb-t tuner chipsets are no use for dvb-t2

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Dibblah:

You hope you *don't*?

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Dibblah:

That's rather luddite.

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Dibblah:

(More channels per mux with the same quality)

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Dibblah:

Or, in the UK case, many more channels per mux with less quality, more likely.

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justinh:

358x278 anybody? :-P

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justinh:

wife asked me about the 'extra' channels she found on a freeview box at work recently. I said yeah of course we could get them but I hide the dire ones

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Dibblah:

You mean she wanted to watch Quite Variable Crap?

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

it's bad enough she watches so much firkin ITV

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** Dibblah wants a realtime renderer for http://mandelbulb.s3.amazonaws.com/q85/Power8side-small.jpg **

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justinh:

I still want a pony

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Dibblah:

Now that kind of talk will get you arrested.

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justinh:

ok then. I want livetv to be removed from mythtv

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justinh:

less arrested, more lynched

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justinh:

nuts. trunk isn't building

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justinh:

mythfilldatabase was where it failed. weird

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** mzb drops his LiveTV on justinh's foot ;p **

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schaze:

Hi all, I have a small problem with jamu.py (v0.5.5). it downloads all metadata correctly but it uses the 'parsed' filename for the movie title

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schaze:

I did check the wiki entries and read all the comments in the config file. but I could not find any setting or hint if this is a bug or just a missconfig by me

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RDV_Linux:

schaze: An example please and is this in Watch Redordings screen or MythVideo?

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schaze:

Hi RDV_Linux

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schaze:

it is MythVideo

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schaze:

in the simulation run I get the following: 1-At least (in_the_loop[cd1])'s value(title) has changed new(in the loop[cd1])(<type 'unicode'>) old(In the Loop)(<type 'unicode'>)

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justinh:

rip your DVD again. this time as one file, mr cd splitter

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schaze:

I updated that movie in MythVideo in the frontend

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schaze:

and it now has the correct title. but jamu compares the title with the filename

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RDV_Linux:

schaze: Well it says in the wiki that jamu does not handle video files of any kind that are split into multi-parts,

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justinh:

wonder which group of l337 lamers is still splitting files

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schaze:

RDV_Linux: Ok bad example. but this happens for others too. it has nothing to do with the split movie

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RDV_Linux:

schaze: and suggests programs that you can use to make multiple files into on file.

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justinh:

more to do with the daft filename

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schaze:

RDV_Linux:1-At least (indiana_jones_and_the_kingdom_of_the_crystal_skull)'s value(title) has changed new(indiana jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull)(<type 'unicode'>) old(Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull)(<type 'unicode'>)

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schaze:

RDV_Linux:here another example for a single movie...

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RDV_Linux:

schaze: Am not see the problem with the title. The title looks good, Is it image display that is the problem.

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RDV_Linux:

schaze: The title is a match for the one in TMDB and that is what is put in the MythVideo record

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schaze:

RDV_Linux: It updates the database with the filename NOT with the movie title downloaded from the metadata

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schaze:

It should not find anything to update for indiana jones as the title is correct.

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justinh:

still haven't managed to watch that film yet.I keep falling asleep during it

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RDV_Linux:

schaze: The MythVideo record will have a filename field with the exact name of your video file AND a title field with the Tile from TMDB. Images file use the IMDB# for the movie

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schaze:

RDV_Linux: I know, but jamu does not write the TMDB movie title in the TITLE field in the database but the filename (with stripped "_" and file-extension) – this is a fact for me as i can see it in my database

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RDV_Linux:

schaze: From the log entry "1-At least (indiana ..." the next time you run jamu that MythVideo record will not have anything more to update.

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schaze:

RDV_Linux: :) ok you do not understand what I mean

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justinh:

whee trunk finished building. all it needed was a distclean

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schaze:

RDV_Linux: lets go back to the start

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schaze:

RDV_Linux: when you use jamu to update you video metadata it should download all kinds of metadata and write it to your database. also the title of the movie. correct?

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RDV_Linux:

schaze: correct if the movie is actually on TMDB

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RDV_Linux:

schaze: And download images if they are on TMDB

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schaze:

RDV_Linux: ok. So my problem now is that all my movie files are names on lower case letters and with a "_" instead of a space

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schaze:

RDV_Linux: that is now problem for jamu as it parses this filename and still knows what movie I mean as it finds all the other metadata e.g. the plot, all the images and so on

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schaze:

RDV_Linux: however when it comes to the movie title there seems to be a bug in jamu, because it does not use the movie title from the TMDB and write it in my database but it takes the filename of my movie without the "_" and the ".avi" and writes this in the title field in the database

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quicksilver:

so, "freeview HD" available from crystal palace from early december, but no freeview hd STBs or capture cards yet available?

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schaze:

RDV_Linux: the correct behaviour would be to use the title from TMDB with uppercase namings and so on...

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RDV_Linux:

schaze: Interesting I will try that on my own system later today to see what happens. You are right as I would expect the TMDB title to be used.

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schaze:

RDV_Linux: ok, thanks for checking. Just as side info – the manual update of the metadata in the Mythfrontend does it correctly

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schaze:

RDV_Linux: funny thing is as you can see in the above example jamu even tries to reverse the correct name again afterwards to replace it with the lowercase one

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RDV_Linux:

schaze: I need to go for a while before I can try this out to see what is happening.

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schaze:

RDV_Linux: no problem. I am on CET timezone and in the channel for the next 6hs ;)

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schaze:

RDV_Linux: and thanks!

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justinh:

quicksilver: exactly

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justinh:

HD freeview is pie in the sky

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quicksilver:

justinh: strange to have it live with no device availability at all. I'd expect there to be at least a few expensive early adopter boxes around for the initial launch

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justinh:

only R&D kit exists AFAIK

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justinh:

at least the chipsets are being produced now

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justinh:

telnet 172.17.36.48

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justinh:

oops

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jduggan:

oppsie

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defaultro:

anyone here uses Motorola DCH 6200?

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mchou:

defaultro: used to

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mchou:

defaultro: good unit if you can still find it

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Dibblah:

... telnet? ;)

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RDV_Linux:

schaze: Are you around? I PMed you with information on the jamu question you asked.

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justinh:

Dibblah: sure. no SSH in ECOS :-\

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rooter7:

Anyone know theming?

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Dibblah:

Is this the "how to increase number of rows / columns in the guide" question again?

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Dibblah:

;)

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rooter7:

Yep.

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rooter7:

Some things just do not work as advertised.

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rooter7:

For example in the Program Guide, you can not set the channellist to be one line. <multiline>false</multiline> is ignored.

[15:05:01]

wagnerrp:

2TB 7200rpm hitachi for $115

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mangus580__:

wagnerrp: where?

[15:05:25]

wagnerrp:

top of the page on slickdeals

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wagnerrp:

after $30 MIR

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mangus580__:

k

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wagnerrp:

rooter7: youre going to have a lot more luck in #mythtv-theming

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rooter7:

wagnerrp: Ah, thank you.

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cba123:

I can't seem to get mplayer to play videos through myth. I can get them to play through terminal, with the same command I put in the settings page though. I also changed the filetypes to play with mplayer, I think, any ideas?

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Dibblah:

cba123: Use internal

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Dibblah:

Rather than mplayer.

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wagnerrp:

cba123: is this 0.22?

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cba123:

Dibblah, Can't get that to use vdpau, and I much prefer mplayer's commands to the internal's

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Dibblah:

Internal uses vdpau just fine.

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cba123:

wagnerrp, Yeah, not using a storage group afaik

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wagnerrp:

if you never defined the SGs, it wont be using them

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wagnerrp:

and just pick one of the VDPAU playback profiles

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wagnerrp:

if mplayer works, mythtv should work

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GreyFoxx:

vdpau playback is not affected by using SG's or not :)

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wagnerrp:

no, but mplayer support is

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cba123:

wagnerrp, Yes, but can the internal player use mplayer's commands, as in, up goes ahead, down goes back, etc

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GreyFoxx:

cba123: Using mythcontrols you can map most keys/functions

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wagnerrp:

Internal uses whatever commands you have bound to it

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GreyFoxx:

but it doesn't try to emulate whatever commands mplayer happens to use

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Dibblah:

That sounds like a weird remote layout to me :)

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wagnerrp:

and as such provides a seemless experience with recording playback

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GreyFoxx:

for exmaple up/down for me jump sback and forward by 10 minutes, left/right smal jumps

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wagnerrp:

you dont have to learn multiple control schemes for multiple programs

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cba123:

Dibblah, Just as up to go back sounds weird to me, to each his/her own.

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cba123:

I'd prefer not to have to remap everything though, I had mplayer working on my other .22 mythbox, can't remember what I did though.

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GreyFoxx:

Are you using a remote or a keyboard ?

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cba123:

Keyboard

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GreyFoxx:

ok if it's wasa remote it would be a matter of rejigging your lircrc file, for a keyboard if you want myth to be different you need to edit the key bindings

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mchou:

anybody try the western digital live yet?

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cba123:

wagnerrp, GreyFoxx, The issue seems to be I can't press play, not mplayer/mythtv internal player, you hear of anything like that?

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cba123:

wagnerrp, GreyFoxx, If I put the same command in the "unique player command" after selecting a video and pressing 'e' I can play the video. Could it be a setting somewhere?

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wagnerrp:

what specifically are you doing that is not working?

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cba123:

Trying to play a movie from MythVideo or whatever it is called now.

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wagnerrp:

no, what are you doing, what buttons

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wagnerrp:

generally, you hit 'enter' to bring up the info dialog, and 'enter' again to play

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wagnerrp:

or possibly just once, depending on the view mode

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mangus580:

has anyone gotten mythweb – video to work on 0.22?

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cba123:

Selecting it by pressing enter, to bring up the dialog, then enter on play doesn't work for hidef recordings, I just got a standard def to work, and the one hidef works since I added a custom command to the playback option

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wagnerrp:

mangus580: works just fine with the old direct file access

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wagnerrp:

mythweb has no support for storage groups

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mangus580:

its not storage group complaint eh?

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wagnerrp:

not for mythvideo, and only partially for recordings

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mangus580:

I presume thats being worked on?

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt presume that

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mangus580:

oh

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wagnerrp:

its probably on the mythweb dev's list, but i dont know if hes actively doing anything about it

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mangus580:

ahh

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mangus580:

ok

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cba123:

wagnerrp, And I couldn't find the profiles for myth's internal player

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cba123:

I was going to try it

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wagnerrp:

options -> setup -> tv settings -> playback

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wagnerrp:

third page in

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cba123:

I don't use mythtv to record anything with TV actually, I have uverse and it doesn't work afaik

[15:49:03]

wagnerrp:

it works just as well as any other provider

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wagnerrp:

you get a STB, an ir blaster, and an analog capture card

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justinh:

not using mythtv for teevee is like... a wasted effort IMHO

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cba123:

justinh, maybe for you

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cba123:

wagnerrp, Got vdpau, but where would I change the controls to match mplayer?

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Dibblah:

Maybe, for people that pay for content. ;)

[15:51:41]

justinh:

needs a backend, yada yada. just for videos & music. beh

[15:51:53]

wagnerrp:

should be in setup somewhere

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wagnerrp:

controls used to be a separate plugin, but i believe it got brought into main mythtv in 0.22

[15:52:23]

** Dibblah hopes not to kick off the "stealing stuff is not theft" or whatever argument again. **

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cba123:

Dibblah, I actually do pay for my content thank you. Don't want to get into this either, as I can see you don't.

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Dibblah:

However, I can seriously recommend Myth for recording TV.

[15:53:27]

Dibblah:

Even if your provider only gives you one STB.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, uverse doesnt have the bandwidth for several simultaneous recordings

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cba123:

It does, I get 1 HD and 3 SD's, all can record at the same time, 4 people in the house so it works.

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wagnerrp:

just 1 HD stream at a time?

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** wagnerrp wonders why people keep clamoring for IPTV support in mythtv **

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mchou:

it's been a while, but I think the limit is 3 HD streams/household

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cba123:

1 HD TV in the house, and I'm 3200 feet from the box and they aren't supposed to go past 3000

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Dibblah:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/351104

[15:56:06]

Josh_Borke:

that's a lot of feet

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mchou:

tell them to install another dslam

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justinh:

wagnerrp: becuzz! Internets teevees over the intertubes will always be frees!

[15:56:57]

justinh:

and teh OPENZ0R

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Dibblah:

Heh. http://hackaday.com/2006/08/09/hacking-u-verse-set-top-boxes/

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justinh:

meanwhile back on planet Earth...

[15:57:36]

Dibblah:

(Hacking as in "reenabling" PVR functionality)

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mangus580:

hmmmm why doesnt the tmdb lookup not grab the rating? (G, PG, etc)

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Dibblah:

... Because Myth has no rating field.

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defaultro:

mchou, just got back. That's great to hear. I contacted them last night and they said, they still have it. The one I had a year ago was DCT 6200

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mangus580:

it doesnt??? then why do all my movies say "Rating: NR"

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cba123:

Dibblah, They only give you 1 dvr that 4 boxes can record to/play off, this simply re-enabled it on each individual box. Mine doesn't have that though, the article is 3+ years old.

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Dibblah:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 24?page=last

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Dibblah:

mangus580: Okay, I'm wrong. Ish.

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Dibblah:

As usual :)

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justinh:

mangus580: that's the great thing about user-contributed data!

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justinh:

s/great/crappy

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mangus580:

well its not like its random... NOTHING has listed a rating that I have

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justinh:

maybe tmdb doesn't do ratings, I dunno

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mangus580:

yeah, looking at that now

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mangus580:

doesnt look like it... (which really doesnt make sense to me)

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mangus580:

ahh, here we go

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mangus580:

http://forums.themoviedb.org/topic/698/tmdb-v2/

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mangus580:

its upcoming :-)

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mangus580:

of course, the myth script will probably have to be updated :-/

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justinh:

jees it's way past my hometime

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wagnerrp:

that mid afternoon really sneaks up on you

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justinh:

hmm. rumours about us using ffmpeg code are true

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justinh:

just sifted through some binaries here. whoops

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wagnerrp:

the internal decoding/encoding libraries are just a snapshot of ffmpeg's libav

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justinh:

no by 'our'I didn't mean mythtv

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wagnerrp:

you meant stuff at your work?

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justinh:

myers

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cba123:

wagnerrp, I selected a mythtv vdpau profile, and it stutters, mplayer doesn't. Any other ideas as to what this could be? It seems to ignore me pressing enter to play

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wagnerrp:

which one did you select? which video card do you have?

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iamlindoro:

You selected a profile with deinterlacers that are too much for your GPU

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cba123:

wagnerrp, I selected both high and normal, I have an nvidia ionle

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cba123:

Trying slim as we speak

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iamlindoro:

an ION is very low end, slim at best

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wagnerrp:

looks like the last round of recording exports dropped me to 72GB free (1.4%)

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iamlindoro:

Especially an LE

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wagnerrp:

i thought the LE was just the same chip, software locked to DX9 operation

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iamlindoro:

Also, if you don't have adequate memory allocated to video and it's forced to use system memory, bad times

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: pretty much, but it tends to be put on the lowest end ION hardware (worse Atom, low shared memory limitations, etc)

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cba123:

I have 2 gig ram, 512 to video

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wagnerrp:

why were the mythvideo SGs dropped from the backend status page?

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wagnerrp:

i mean i understand them not factoring into free space calculations for recordings

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wagnerrp:

but not why they were dropped outright

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Think folks decided they didn't want them there unless they could be reckoned seperate from recording storage

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iamlindoro:

because AIUI breaking them out was not a simple task

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wagnerrp:

ah

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iamlindoro:

so until that's done, they were removed instead

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cba123:

wagnerrp, Actually I remember mplayer had an issue like this, until I told it to pass dts and ac3 straight though to my receiver, any way to do that here?

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wagnerrp:

passthrough options in the settings

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cba123:

wagnerrp, I turned those both on already, guess I'll look around on google more until I can get mplayer working...

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rooter7:

How to get Job Otions in 0.22?

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rooter7:

Tried 'O', and 'M', and '>', but none work.

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justinh:

O ?

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justinh:

INFO

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justinh:

rooter7: so if your screen is 11 feet wide, even at 1080P how big is one pixel?

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rooter7:

Small enough. rez is fantastic. Planar PD8150.

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justinh:

that doesn't answer my question

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rooter7:

I haven't measured them, but I'm 8' away and can see the hairs on their head.

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justinh:

8 feet away from a screen 11 feet across? jees

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rooter7:

That's how I roll...

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justinh:

how you roll. lol. just for that you made the list

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rooter7:

Made the screen myself. Could have made it biggier, but 12' was all I could manhandle

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rooter7:

Instructions on HomeTheaterShack, "Mega Screen.

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rooter7:

I guess justin's in a bad mood...

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quicksilver:

funny that

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quicksilver:

google sez, (11 feet) / 1920 = 1.74625 millimetres

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quicksilver:

so assuming 1080p is 1920x1080, your pixels are about 1.7mm across

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quicksilver:

which is quite small from 8' away, in my opinion.

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rooter7:

Seems right.

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wagnerrp:

bleh, thats HUGE at 8'

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rooter7:

You'd have to see it.

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quicksilver:

subjective ;)

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quicksilver:

we use a screen which is, I suppose, about 8' across at about 8–10' away

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quicksilver:

not very different.

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quicksilver:

and none of my content is HD anyway (except PS3 games)

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wagnerrp:

the screen im on right now is about .24mm/px, at 3.5'

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wagnerrp:

and i have absolutely no trouble distinguishing individual pixels

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quicksilver:

I can't do the math to work out angle subtended at the eye in my head

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wagnerrp:

its linear

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quicksilver:

ok

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quicksilver:

well I believe you

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rooter7:

If the pixels are not dithered and you can see screendoor, you need a different projector.

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wagnerrp:

that would be equivalent to a 0.5mm pixel at 8'

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quicksilver:

but "no trouble distinguishing" doesn't mean "looks bad", necessarily.

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paco_:

hi all, good afternoon

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paco_:

i have select opengl under aspect section, and now i cant enter, how can i revert this changed from any config file?

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wagnerrp:

when your pixels are now roughly 10x the area, theyre going to look like big blobs

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rooter7:

Think so, hm?

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wagnerrp:

your average (big) HDTV is going to be somewhere around 0.6mm/px

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wagnerrp:

thats the 50–55" size

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** quicksilver nods **

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rooter7:

How /bout I'll be happy with mine, and you be happy with your'n.

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quicksilver:

With SD content projected large, if it's "blocky", like computer graphics, then yes, the pixels are indeed huge

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paco_:

solved from terminal :)

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quicksilver:

but when you're watching films/TV its absolutely fine because of the natural blending

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quicksilver:

is my subjective (obviously) opinion

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wagnerrp:

paco_: make sure to change that setting in the settings menu

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rooter7:

Not if they're dithered. But ya SD looks horrible at this size. But then I record almost exclusively Dish HD pure transport stream.

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wagnerrp:

'one-off' settings done on the command line are not permanent

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paco_:

just done

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paco_:

thank you wagnerrp

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paco_:

i`m looking any wiki for the best way to install ati drivers for watch myth

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paco_:

i using now privative drivers, and have direct rendering

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paco_:

using mythfrontend on imac connecting to a lan backend, but is a little slow

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paco_:

ubuntu 9.10 and mythfrontend

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paco_:

looking for how to add opengl to this driver, i think is something to load on modules from xprg really?

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paco_:

lol i hate my english, apologyze

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MaxeyPad:

I have a mythtv setup based on the new mythbuntu install; however I can't get the sound to work properly. I'm using the onboard nvidia sound chipset over optical connections. Anyone have any insight on where I should start with configuring this

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MaxeyPad:

Also, anyone have harwdware recommendations for a small form factor frontend system that will be connected over wireless? I want to be able to watch hi def in another room and would like for the box to be small.

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wagnerrp:

MaxeyPad: for your audio problem, try in #mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

MaxeyPad: for your wireless HD frontend, dont bother

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wagnerrp:

you can get an ION system which will handle the playback just fine, in a very small form factor

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wagnerrp:

but wireless has unreliable throughput, and random outages, that will frustrate you to the point of just running wires anyway

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dustybin:

life without truncated fonts is like heaven

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** wagnerrp seems to have higher standards **

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dustybin:

my favourite theme at the moment is Blue Abstract

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rooter7:

I just went through the laborious process of downloading channel icons ansd assigning, but it didn't save a single one.

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rooter7:

I stopped the backend and ran mythtv-setup as my user, and did this. But nothing in /home/{user}/.mythtv/channels, and none in the Program Guide.

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j-rod:

hm... all those people reporting 100% cpu usage...

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j-rod:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.ph . . . t=100%25+cpu

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S2:

hi all! can someone recomend a pcie card that supports fullhd output and works without hassle on linux and with myth?

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j-rod:

S2: atsc? dvb? something else?

[18:46:53]

S2:

j-rod, a graphics card

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j-rod:

oh, haha

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S2:

a nvidia card, or an ati, or intel?

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j-rod:

nvidia

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S2:

something that works :)

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S2:

i have an integrated card now, but hd video is not smooth

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j-rod:

nvidia 9xxx series work great here

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wagnerrp:

S2: what card? what processor?

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wagnerrp:

what video?

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S2:

wagnerrp, i have an integrated GeForce 6100 nForce 430. 1080p video skipps frames and cpu goes to 100%

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wagnerrp:

what processor? what video?

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S2:

wagnerrp, AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+

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S2:

wagnerrp, the video is a dvb-t stream

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wagnerrp:

well that chip should handle any dvb mpeg2 thrown at it

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wagnerrp:

so i can only assume its some h264 stream

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wagnerrp:

either way, nvidia with VDPAU can handle it

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S2:

wagnerrp, mythbackand says it's mpeg2: AFD: Opened codec 0x827e280, id(MPEG2VIDEO) type(Video)

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S2:

wagnerrp & j-rod, thanks. any specific model that is known to work well? something i can just plug in and good to go?

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wagnerrp:

S2: check the wiki page about VDPAU

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S2:

wagnerrp, great. thanks.

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** j-rod has 9400M and 9500GT, as well as a Quadro FX 1700, all of which work just fine **

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j-rod:

haven't tried the laptop w/9400M and 9600M GT yet, should work equally well tho

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wagnerrp:

the only difference being a 9500GT or better is really needed for the 'advanced 2x' deint at 1080i

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j-rod:

(haven't tried w/myth under linux, that is — gpu decode of 1080p h.264 looks outstanding using quicktime)

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j-rod:

(with marginally more than 0% cpu utilization)

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GreyFoxx:

Apparently multi stream decoding is coming to VDPAU soon

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GreyFoxx:

so you can decode several items at once

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GreyFoxx:

That should be interesting :)

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S2:

GreyFoxx, i don't use pip very much

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GreyFoxx:

What would rock would be to have the decoded data written back to a ram buffer rather than the screen for hw assisted commercial flagging

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GreyFoxx:

and if you can do more than 1 stream at a time multiple show flagging at once with 0% cpu used

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mag0o:

hehe

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mag0o:

ambitious

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: i thought there was some facility to access the decoded 'textures'

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GreyFoxx:

wagnerrp: I'm sure there is

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GreyFoxx:

which makes hardware assisted commflagging a good possibility

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GreyFoxx:

and then flag multiple shows at once would be nifty

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wagnerrp:

personally, id like to see some attempt to implement the ffmpeg code base in CUDA/OpenCL

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wagnerrp:

i have to imagine the result would be far more powerful

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trumee:

guys, can mythtv be used in an environment where there are erratic power cuts?

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wagnerrp:

trumee: sure, thats what UPSs are for

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trumee:

oh, yes UPS only work for say maybe 20 minutes, not for a powert cut of 2 hours

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wagnerrp:

UPS + generator

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wagnerrp:

---or---

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wagnerrp:

bigger UPS

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mag0o:

solarpanels!!!

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gizmobay:

windmill

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trumee:

can the filesystem be on a readonly mode most of the time and rw when writing a tv program to disk.

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wagnerrp:

you can shut down mythtv mid-recording, and it will boot up and continue recording late if a show has already started

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wagnerrp:

you can use a journalling file system, in which a power outage will only cause the loss of in-flight data

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wagnerrp:

although its very possible your database would be damaged in such a scenario

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wagnerrp:

better to just get a UPS and allow auto-shutdon

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trumee:

yes, i suppose ext3 will be best in that case. so mysql cannot deal in these sort of conditions.

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trumee:

ah, auto shutdown with a ups is a good idea.

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wagnerrp:

ext3, reiser, jfs, xfs... theyre all journalling file systems

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wagnerrp:

the only *bad* choice would be ext2

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trumee:

but a big battery setup next to a TV doesnt look very good :(

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wagnerrp:

big battery setup behind the tv?

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wagnerrp:

perhaps move your backend elsewhere, and just have a relatively dumb frontend?

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iamlindoro:

My folks have a big ol' Rear Projection TV that likes to go completely out of alignment if it loses power

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iamlindoro:

Always fun times-- they keep it on a hefty UPS these days

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trumee:

also, what about the bootup time of mythbackend. does it take long to bootup a machine with only ssh and mythbackend.

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wagnerrp:

depends entirely on the distro, and how much other stuff you have running

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wagnerrp:

from power-on to fully functional is somewhere around 40 seconds for me

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wagnerrp:

take a stopwatch and figure it out

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, some distros for a lot of extra crap during bootup

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GreyFoxx:

from autodetecting hardware to starting various daemons whether you need them or not

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trumee:

i will probably use gentoo so can finetune whatever i install

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GreyFoxx:

my boxes spent a lot more time doing the BIOD post than starting the distro

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GreyFoxx:

BIOS

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** wagnerrp is using gentoo **

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wagnerrp:

yeah, a good 15–20 seconds of that process is going through the BIOS and PXE

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GreyFoxx:

I've seen some distros (using local hd based installs) that take up to 2 freaking minutes

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GreyFoxx:

crazy

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trumee:

any idea what interface is between UPS and PC for automatic shutdown. are there special drivers required?

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GreyFoxx:

most use usb or serial

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wagnerrp:

USB, serial, or SNMP

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wagnerrp:

just install NUT, and find some UPS compatible with it

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GreyFoxx:

even the generic costco ups's come with usb

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm costco.... I feel like a costco trip now

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wagnerrp:

you know you want the big trampoline hanging on the wall

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antgel:

trying to play a dvd for the first time on this mythbox – getting error "libdvdnav: ifoRead_TITLE_VOBU_ADMAP vtsi failed". google suggests i set the region of the DVD-RW drive. is this really necessary? i'm of course using libdvdcss

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antgel:

ah, that was unhelpful. i set the region with regionset, and it still failed with the same error. any clues?

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wagnerrp:

the other recommendation was an improperly set DMA mode on the drive

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antgel:

wagnerrp: it's a SATA drive – don't think DMA mode comes into play?

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antgel:

do i need to recompile myth to use libdvdcss?

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antgel:

which i forgot to install, originally

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antgel:

okay, it's playing in totem FWIW

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oys:

my dvb-c provider has a channel called "EPG DL HD". I suspeict this is where EIT is transmitted. is there a way to force mythtv to listen on this channel to pick up the EPG?

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oys:

right now, there's no epg. and before you ask, there's no video/audio stream on the channel I just mentioned.

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oys:

(and yes I tuned with mythtv and did not use a pregenerated channels.conf)

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antgel:

hmm, another dvd works just fine. i guess it's some bug in libdvdnav

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dscoular:

Does mythvideo 0.22 honour the browsable "browse" flag in the videometadata table ? Doesn't seem to for me, non-browsable videos are listed. Any thoughts ?

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iamlindoro:

Same is an every other version of myth, the filter defaults to showing all

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wagnerrp:

completely off topic... whats the program interface concept where you have multiple sub-windows in each window

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wagnerrp:

i.e.: Excel

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iamlindoro:

If you want to view only browseable, set the browse filter to "yes"

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clever:

wagnerrp: MDI is generaly what ive seen it called on windows

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wagnerrp:

MDI, thats it... for some reason i was thinking GDI

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dscoular:

iamlindoro: ah thankyou... I never had to do that in 0.21... good

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iamlindoro:

dscoular: Was exactly the same in .21

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clever:

multiple document interface

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iamlindoro:

and .20

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iamlindoro:

and .19

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dscoular:

iamlindoro: so I upgraded from 0.21 and my filter settings can't have made I guess

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wagnerrp:

no, TDI

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iamlindoro:

Yes, the reckoning of settings this release has changed somewhat

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wagnerrp:

your right, MDI

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dscoular:

iamlindoro: cool, I'll look for the setting when I get home tonight

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wagnerrp:

acrobat has an EVIL MDI interface

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wagnerrp:

you cant open up multiple documents in multiple windows

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wagnerrp:

and you can only switch between them through the 'window' tab

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wagnerrp:

adobe should go in the burn pile

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wagnerrp:

[/rant]

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clever:

excel has been leaning away from MDI lately

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clever:

it actualy functions as seperate windows

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clever:

but you still have a 2nd x, which will close the document without closing all of excel

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jduggan:

gah, mythbuntu upgrade has killed my two nova-s's

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jduggan:

cant figure out wtf theyre not working

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jduggan:

anyone happen to be using nova-s in mythbuntu backend? :D

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gizmobay:

I have PVR150 and now I'm starting to get black recordings. No sound nothing

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gizmobay:

ran it through vlc and mplayer also black

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wagnerrp:

youre likely caught on the wrong input

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gizmobay:

oh, I think your right. I had svideo set along with tuner

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wagnerrp:

the video inputs produce a blank, dark gray video in the event of no signal

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gizmobay:

Couldn't use Svideo since i didn't have the audio cable

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gizmobay:

ah you're right I plugged the svideo in and presto

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hachi:

for the filter 'record only new episodes

[23:06:46]

hachi:

does mythtv assume a new episode must be in the schedule somewhere?

[23:07:18]

hachi:

and so it looks at the programID and looks for the largest contiguous set of program IDs, and then starts with the smallest one?

[23:07:27]

hachi:

or is the algorithm something different?

[23:08:29]

hachi:

largest by number, and then the smallest one of that set

[23:09:23]

hachi:

ugh, english fails at this concept

[23:10:32]

hachi:

largest set, not by quantity of items in the set... largest set by the portion of the program IDs 'episode' bits... or figures

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wagnerrp:

hachi: a 'new episode' implies that the episode have a first-air date == today's date

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hachi:

hmm

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hachi:

then I've got a bit of an issue

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hachi:

I tried to pick that filter, and it picked the newest rerun episode and decided it would record it

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wagnerrp:

it would seem im trapped at work

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hachi:

do you need some help?

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wagnerrp:

you have hazmat training?

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hachi:

not really, damn

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wagnerrp:

chemical spill shut down the highway

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wagnerrp:

not even the one i use

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wagnerrp:

but its backed up for six miles northbound

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wagnerrp:

and then for several miles back southbound on the highway i use

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paco_:

recording unavailable!! i hate that xDD

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wagnerrp:

mythweb streaming?

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paco_:

on local frontend

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paco_:

=(

[23:31:00]

paco_:

on mythweb i can see that recording size B

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paco_:

i think is a problem of my tuner, sometimes meet locked or something, i dunno

[23:32:31]

paco_:

maybe a problem or error on my mythbackend config

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paco_:

on inputs maybe?

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wagnerrp:

check your backend logs

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paco_:

and what i have to find? some error in hour of recording really?

[23:34:06]

wagnerrp:

you werent recording for an hour

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wagnerrp:

the failure happened right as you started

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wagnerrp:

check at the top/bottom of the hour

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wagnerrp:

there will be a flurry of activity

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paco_:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute statement

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wagnerrp:

but shouldnt be more than a couple dozen lines to look through

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wagnerrp:

pastebin the whole chunk surrounding it

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paco_:

http://pastebin.com/m29adebd8

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paco_:

the scheduled recording is on 21:30

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paco_:

is very important for my children "patito feo" hehe

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sphery:

paco_: you have garbage EIT data

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paco_:

garbage?

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sphery:

that's causing the "QMYSQL3: Unable to execute statement"

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paco_:

i have to change the eit from another source?

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sphery:

meaning that the provider scheduled something, then changed it in such a way that it's causing a duplicate entry

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sphery:

you need to clear the offending (old) EIT listings data and then it will work fine

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paco_:

but is recommended to change the eit from another?

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sphery:

simplest way to clear it is: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "TRUNCATE TABLE program;"

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sphery:

for EIT, you get what your provider gives you

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paco_:

is recommended then to activate explore eit option too?

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sphery:

your only choices are a) use EIT and /only/ EIT on the channel, or b) use xmltv or Schedules Direct and /only/ xmltv or Schedules Direct on the channel

[23:41:33]

sphery:

so if xmltv/Schedules Direct isn't an option for you, you have to go with EIT and might get errors if your provider reschedules things like that.

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paco_:

bad =(

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paco_:

laguiatv is broked, and miguiatv too =/

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sphery:

I'm guessing that they've moved the starttime of a show by a second or 2 and in so doing caused duplicates

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sphery:

:NEWSTART=2009-11–19T23:55:15

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sphery:

or, by 15sec, perhaps :)

[23:44:14]

sphery:

actually, looking at it, there's probably more to it than that...

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paco_:

thank you to much for your support

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paco_:

and...

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paco_:

is recommended to use opengl under restricted driver of ati?

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paco_:

on backend have nvidia with opengl and works very fine

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paco_:

but on remote frontend have ati, and using restricted drivers dont work fine, and need to use qt painter

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wagnerrp:

if you have a newer ATI card, properly supported by the proprietary drivers, opengl should work fine

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wagnerrp:

what card?

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paco_:

Hd 2600 XT

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paco_:

on imac

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paco_:

with ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

might be too old, you might want to see if they have a legacy drivers available

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wagnerrp:

ATI tends to drop support for cards much faster than nvidia

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paco_:

too old that card? really?

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paco_:

i only have 1 year this mac

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wagnerrp:

i believe that card is around 3 years old

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paco_:

i have to sell it then... do you like imac 24"? cheap cheap xD

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sphery:

ok, back to thinking there's not more to it

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sphery:

anyway, I mentioned it to our EIT expert, we'll see if he finds an issue

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wagnerrp:

is the graphics card onboard? can you swap it with another?

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paco_:

the laguiatv.xml report to me an error on line 707

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paco_:

yes wagnerrp

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paco_:

swap it with another? i dont understod

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wagnerrp:

is the graphics card built into the motherboard

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wagnerrp:

or is it a discrete PCIE board that can be swapped

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paco_:

i think so, but is an imac, wait i can find more info

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wagnerrp:

since its a built in display, it is probably an onboard chip

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paco_:

VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M76XT [Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT]

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paco_:

thats report on lspci

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wagnerrp:

yeah, mobility, onboard

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paco_:

=/

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paco_:

i think my friend is a great scammer (he sell me that )

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paco_:

is my fault, for dont find more info about that product first

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wagnerrp:

its an otherwise decent computer

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wagnerrp:

ATI support in linux is just generally poor

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wagnerrp:

more so in the older stuff

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paco_:

yes

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wagnerrp:

if this is a frontend-only machine

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wagnerrp:

there is an OSX frontend

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paco_:

works with myth 0.22?

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paco_:

i have the normal install on backend, just last mythbuntu 0.22

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paco_:

then is the problem of the driver under linux ok

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paco_:

but i have installed macosx and windows on this machine

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paco_:

is better way to install mythfrontend under mac or win really?

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paco_:

but i think for windows dont have support for mythfrontend 0.22

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