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Thursday, November 12th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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Joshhhhhh:

gbee, at least he's spouting off valid data :)

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gbee:

wazquis: may be a silly question , but you are definately using vdpau?

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gbee:

i.e. you have a recent nvidia card and you've explicitly enable the vdpau profiles or chosen vdpau as the decoder in a custom video profile?

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wazquis:

gbee: i think so

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wazquis:

gbee: not chosen vdpau as decoder?

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gbee:

it's not automatically enabled and won't ever be since some people hate it (well at least they prefer the quality of software decoding)

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gbee:

and it's premature to say it won't _ever_ be enabled automatically, since I can see there is some benefit in that

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wazquis:

i just made a new profile with VDPAU as decoder and CPU usage is still 100% and it often lags :(

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Dibblah:

wazquis: Again – What's your video card?

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wazquis:

Dibblah: sorry, didn't see that one: GeForce 8200

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Dibblah:

Have you followed the instructions at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU

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Dibblah:

If so, post to pastebin the mythfrontend -v playback log.

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wazquis:

I tought i had, but there are some steps i haven't seen before

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benklop:

is vdpau something i should even think about if the only way I can enable it is through a PCI nvidia card?

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benklop:

not PCIe, plain PCI

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wazquis:

Dibblah: oh danm, just realized my mythbox is a Ubuntu 8.10 and not 9.04 as i tought, it's scheduled for a upgrade to MythBuntu 9.10 very soon...maybe i should wait?

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wagnerrp:

ive used VDPAU with a PCI video card

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wagnerrp:

works just fine

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wagnerrp:

although dont expect to run non-VDPAU HD through it

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wagnerrp:

the bus functionally doesnt have the bandwidth to do so

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Dibblah:

8.10 won't have VDPAU capable nvidia drivers.

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wagnerrp:

theoretically it should manage 720p, but youre pushing too close to the limit

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wazquis:

Dibblah: i tried to install them manually, but well... I'll upgrade and try again :)

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benklop:

wagnerrp: that's exactly what I was wondering

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wagnerrp:

and remember, thats video resolution, not display resolution

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wagnerrp:

the video gets scaled inside the video card when using Xv

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benklop:

wagnerrp: ok. are there any gotchas using the mythtv internal player where I might experience that issue?

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wagnerrp:

any content not supported by vdpau

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wagnerrp:

anything HD mpeg4, or any non-compliant HD h264 streams that you have to decode in software

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benklop:

heh, gotcha. dang, that's really a pain. The box i've got is physically more than fast enough (athlon X2 @ 2.something ghz) but it has only VGA out and one PCI slot

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benklop:

so i'll need a different video card just to hook up to ANY tv, let alone an hdtv.

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wagnerrp:

just what do you have that restricted but with an athlon?

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wagnerrp:

an athlon64 no less

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Dagmar:

It's easy

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Rigor_M:

so for a good picture quality, is vdpau a good thing ?

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Dagmar:

JUst buy a cheap-ass Jetway or PCChips board

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benklop:

it's a really small box madeby HP

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wagnerrp:

but no AGP?

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wagnerrp:

ah

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: There's a lot of manufs who feel that the integrated video chip will always be enough

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wagnerrp:

something custom built, and never intended for upgrading

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benklop:

wagnerrp: it came with no free pci slots – the one slot is half height and had a modem in it

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Dagmar:

Rigor_M: It has nothing to do with picture quality

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benklop:

wagnerrp: exactly..

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Rigor_M:

ok, good

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Dagmar:

Please make an effort to learn about the technology without dragging us all through a pointless extended q&a remix

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wagnerrp:

Rigor_M: however i can claim that the svideo output on my VDPAU-capable 8-series looks far better than my old 6-series

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benklop:

wagnerrp: it's my desktop currently, but it at least has spdif out, so with a video card it could replace my aging athlon64 2 ghz that only keeps up with 1080 video because i've overclocked it almost 25%

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wagnerrp:

through both Xv and VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

only keeps up?

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wagnerrp:

my 1.93 AthXP can manage 1080i ATSC

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benklop:

wagnerrp: hmm... what am I doing wrong then

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Dagmar:

Nice low bitrate I suspect

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wagnerrp:

(barely, with no deint....)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i probably average around 13–14mbps

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wagnerrp:

i suppose i may be rather sub-par

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benklop:

wagnerrp: this thing is deinterlacing.. but still

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benklop:

ah.. i've got it running 32 bit code, not 64. does that make a big difference for this type of job?

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wagnerrp:

no

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benklop:

hmm. well when playing back 1080 video, X is using ~22% of the processor.. not sure if that's anomalous or not

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benklop:

my deint is just the one that drops every other line for 1080i

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sphery:

dustybin: did you get things to compile? If not, i'll start a -fixes compile to see if I see any issues

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benklop:

just fyi just a few seconds ago I finished a successful 22-fixes svn compile all modules

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bedlore_:

myth-setup is not creating a XMLTV config file for me, what would cause this problem?

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Joshhhhhh:

wow, this sytem is SLOOOOWWW

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_flindet:

is there a way to rebuild the weather tables without losing my other data? Somehow my weather tables got corrupt and now I can't back up any part of my database.

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flindet:

I'm trying mysqlcheck's autorepair, but to no avail

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Dagmar:

Try looking at the wiki

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Dagmar:

Fixing one's database is very, very documented.

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flindet:

Yeah, I've been trying

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Dagmar:

One might even say there's many thousands of web pages that state clearly how to do it.

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Joshhhhhh:

now I have to break myself of using the 'emerge' command

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Dagmar:

_thousands_

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flindet:

Well, I've been researching this for days

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flindet:

that's how I found out the mysqlcheck and such

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sphery:

and wrong channel sphery ... oops

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Joshhhhhh:

Dagmar, thousands of web pages on the specific topic of repairing one table in a database?

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Dagmar:

Then perhaps you need to learn to read or get a grown-up to help you.

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flindet:

thought someone might be able to help me refine my search

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Joshhhhhh:

Dagmar, taht seems awfully far-fetched.

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flindet:

don't be a dick, dagmar. I'm just asking if anyone can help

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Dagmar:

Well, maybe next time you'll learn that some people take it as an insult when you hand them such a flagrant lie.

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Dagmar:

I am not your mother.

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flindet:

what lie?

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sphery:

flindet: are they corrupt tables or just plain missing

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flindet:

for example, as I write this, I'm working on http://www.pantz.org/software/mysql/fixingmys . . . dtables.html

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Dagmar:

Either you did not "research this for days" or you are mentally handicapped and should get an adult to help you.

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flindet:

Sphery, yeah, seems to be the .frm files got borked somehow.

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sphery:

i.e. if you have a distro that configured MySQL to disable the InnoDB storage engine, they'll be missing

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flindet:

I'm thinking I might have to drop the tables. Others have done that, but it didn't seem like it was certainly going to be successful

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flindet:

so, I was hoping others might point me in a better direction before I try something so risky. hahah

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Joshhhhhh:

flindet, my suggestion is to at least back up your corrupt database before trying anything risky

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flindet:

seems like if I drop the tables, I might be able to go through mythtv's initialize database script to recreate them and HOPEFULLY it will recreate the .frm file correctly

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Joshhhhhh:

flindet, nothing wrong with piddling to try and fix, as long as you have a backup

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flindet:

Joshhhhhh: Yeah, that's what started all this. mysqldump refuses to work because of this problem

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sphery:

mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "DROP TABLE IF EXISTS weatherdatalayout; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS weatherscreens; DROP TABLE IF EXISTS weathersourcesettings; DELETE FROM settings WHERE value = 'WeatherDBSchemaVer';"

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flindet:

Maybe I can just backup the raw files somehow

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sphery:

flindet: ^^^

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flindet:

Thanks, sphery

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Joshhhhhh:

sphery says "go ahead and do it!"

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Joshhhhhh:

"panzy"

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flindet:

hahaha

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Dagmar:

Considering the number of times I powerkilled my server in order to deliberately corrupt the databases, I find this laughable

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sphery:

flindet: also, might want to look into http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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flindet:

I hosed my back-up of course because my regular back-up ran before I knew this problem was happening and wiped out my fails. I totally f'd myself on this one

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sphery:

really, there's nothing that useful in the weather schema

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sphery:

so dropping it and starting over isn't a bad thing

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flindet:

thanks, sphery, I'm going through it now

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flindet:

yeah, that's what I figured. I don't really care about weather at all. But it's stopping mysqldump from working

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flindet:

and that hoses mythweb... and then the computer ends up thinking all of / is filled

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flindet:

sphery: I do have a very old backup. I wonder if I can do this partial restore that they're talking about for just the weather tables. that would save me

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flindet:

seems risky due to potentially different schema versions

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sphery:

kormoc: so, to make things even more confusing, the guy is running 0.21-fixes. I reminded him of the no mix/match of versions just in case he's trying to use 0.22-fixes MythWeb with 0.21-fixes master backend. But, on the bright side, it means that the issue isn't in MythTV time zone detection or MythWeb time zone setting (which aren't in 0.21-fixes :).

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Dagmar:

Its in his cracked out timspec that has whitespace in it

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kormoc:

sphery: yay...

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sphery:

might actually be PHP's time zone detection that's failing--though he said setting php.timezone didn't help

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sphery:

er. date.timezone

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kormoc:

well, if he's not getting anything from the backend for that call, it's cause of that

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sphery:

wouldnt' setting date.timezone prevent it, though?

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kormoc:

negative, we override php's setting with the backend's

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sphery:

maybe he didn't properly restart apache and it will "fix itself" on first reboot after setting the timezone

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kormoc:

that's how we keep it in sync with the backend

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sphery:

but only on 0.22-fixes and above

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sphery:

in 0.21-fixes we didn't, did we?

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kormoc:

right

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sphery:

I'm thinking he's using MythWeb 0.22-fixes with mythbackend 0.21-fixes, but we'll find out for sure if he responds

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kormoc:

it should toss a fatal if that's the case (unless he used my magic, hidden, ignore proto mismatches option...)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

isn't that how WarGames got started?

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** wagnerrp supposes direcpc crapped out for good... **

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sphery:

what's that?

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wagnerrp:

jst_home's ISP

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flindet:

sphery: Here we go... this thread looks very promising: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/312941

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** wagnerrp points at the 'connection reset' flooding **

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flindet:

sphery: Which is what you basically said earlier, but now I understand it. hahah

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sphery:

flindet: don't do the creates

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sphery:

let MythWeather create things properly

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flindet:

yeah,... drop and kill the version like you said

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flindet:

then let the plugin do the table creates

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flindet:

got it

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** sphery hacks gossamer to take that bad info out of the archive **

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sphery:

yeah, you'll have to do the mysql command I gave you, then just restart mythfrontend and it will all work

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flindet:

awesome, thanks, sphery!

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bedlore_:

my /home/bedlore/.mythtv/HDH-source.xmltv is empty how do I make mythtv populate it?

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sphery:

myth doesn't populate that, xmltv grabbers do

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sphery:

you need to either run mythfilldatabase --manual (guessing) or just run tv_grab_whatever --configure and specify that file for output

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wagnerrp:

'cannot mix incompatible qt libraries'.... well thats an interesting snafu

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wagnerrp:

wonder how i managed that

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bedlore_:

sphery: thanks, I use sheperd

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sphery:

not building on OS X, are you?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ^

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wagnerrp:

nah, updated mythtv (and world) last night on gentoo

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wagnerrp:

must not have picked up a dependency properly

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sphery:

ah...

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sphery:

sounded similar to a problem on OS X builds

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wagnerrp:

good thing theres nothing on tonight

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ExElNeT_:

i found a file the internal player cant play. http://pastebin.com/m1785fcb6 is this just my system or is this codec missing?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not use codecs on your system, its all internal

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ExElNeT_:

wagnerrp: yes. so the player doesnt support this one?

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bedlore_:

I ran ./shepherd --configure and it completed correctly yet my HDH-source.xmltv source is still empty

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wagnerrp:

it may be some variant that decided to use its own fourcc id, and mplayer is more lenient, or runs a newer version of ffmpeg with the proper tag

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sphery:

So, while the rest of the world is being disappointed by FlashForward, I'm actually being pleasantly surprised by FlashPoint from 3 years ago. I guess I won't have to be disappointed by FlashForward for another 2yrs.

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sphery:

http://xkcd.com/606/

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wagnerrp:

i caught an episode of flashpoint a couple weeks ago

[01:14:50]

wagnerrp:

but decided it wasnt worth starting to watch something 2 years in

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sphery:

when it came out I heard it was "just another cop show", so I wasn't expecting much.

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ExElNeT_:

wagnerrp: ah ok... i ll choose mplayer for this file.

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sphery:

turns out it's not bad, and it's "light" (no heavy serial storyline, so not a lot of work to watch)

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wagnerrp:

its just some SWAT/negotiation team in LA?

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

though I hadn't figured out the LA part, yet :)

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wagnerrp:

well big city, what looked like southern, didnt look like SF or miami.... LA was the only one left

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iamlindoro:

FlashPoint is in Canada

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iamlindoro:

both the filming and the setting

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bedlore_:

does anyone know if when using HDHomerun device mythtv still needs to install a video4linux dev in /dev ?

[01:18:29]

bedlore_:

I don't seem to have one

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wagnerrp:

started last july... i thought it was a lot older than that

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wagnerrp:

bedlore_: no

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wagnerrp:

myth accesses it directly over the network

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bedlore_:

ok, back to the drawing board :(

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iamlindoro:

sphery, wagnerrp's calling you a liar ;)

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wagnerrp:

i guess even canada gets warm in the summer

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sphery:

I actually had to do a custom rule for it--so I didn't get the PBS flashPOINT

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sphery:

wagnerrp: guess they've crammed 3 seasons into 16 mos

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sphery:

(they're currently airing season 3)

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wagnerrp:

either that or wikipedia is wrong

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sphery:

but, yeah, my S1 episode that I'm watching now is from Aug 2008

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wagnerrp:

yeah... two seasons through in under a year

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wagnerrp:

one 9 episodes, one 13

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sphery:

and so is the Tracking Fay (hurricane Fay updates) :(

[01:21:20]

sphery:

and this network actually has the 24-hr weather subchannel, so they have no excuse

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sphery:

stupid broadcasters

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wagnerrp:

could be worse, my HD channels are like 13mbps because of their mosterous SD weather subchannel

[01:25:24]

** wagnerrp wonders if there has been a porn-remake of 'The Unit' **

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sphery:

I'm trying to decide if I should watch or delete the last season of the (non-porn) The Unit

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bedlore_:

grr, I delete all cards and video source and start again, I name it /home/bedlore/.mythtv/mysource.xmltv yet it won't create the dam file

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bedlore_:

Connection timed out. Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.99:6543 , You probably should modify the Master Server settings in the setup program and set the proper IP address

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bedlore_:

it is the correct IP though

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bedlore_:

I've been trying to fix this problem for over a week now

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bedlore_:

ah, it just needed the backend running

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bedlore_:

so that wasnt my problem

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bedlore_:

I'm getting Can't open DVB frontend (/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0).

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bedlore_:

with a HDHomerun device?

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wagnerrp:

you not running the backend was not your fault?

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kormoc:

Must be a ubuntu user

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wagnerrp:

bedlore_: did you create it in mythtv-setup as a dvb device? or as a hdhomerun?

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bedlore_:

hdhomerun

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wagnerrp:

they are two separate entries in the spinbox

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defaultro:

evening folks. I'm looking at a picture of hdpvr 1212. Am I correct that you capture the data via the USB 2.0 connection?

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sphery:

it captures video using component input and outputs the encoded video via usb

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defaultro:

sorry, I should have been clearer

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sphery:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html has some info

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defaultro:

so it's encoded via usb. Thanks

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defaultro:

how is the speed?

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sphery:

yeah, encoded and output via usb

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sphery:

speed?

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defaultro:

of transfer

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defaultro:

from 1212 to our machine?

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sphery:

will max out at 13Mbps, so way lower than USB

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

do you have one now?

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sphery:

i.e. the H.264 stream is going to be 13Mbps or less, IIRC

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defaultro:

k

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sphery:

no, I don't--no cable or satellite to use it with

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defaultro:

got it

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sphery:

I just have an antenna and ATSC capture cars

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sphery:

cards

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defaultro:

i was asking a sample file from here last week but got called in a meeting

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defaultro:

same here

[01:55:37]

defaultro:

i think, his name was oobe

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defaultro:

although he was playing poker :D

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defaultro:

by the way folks, I'm ready to order the new machine and other items. Do you think it's worth waiting for newegg's monday after sale?

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mchou:

defaultro: where's the shopping list?

[02:01:58]

defaultro:

hahaha :D secret

[02:02:09]

defaultro:

it's an i5, gts 250, gigabyte board, 2g

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defaultro:

xigmatek hsf

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defaultro:

antec ps

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mchou:

sounds like total overkill

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defaultro:

It'snot, it's not just for mythtv

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mchou:

ok

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defaultro:

i will use it heavy for sql learning, virtualization

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mangus580:

guys, is something wrong with tmdb tonight?

[02:06:29]

Joshhhhhh:

mangus580, they caught on to your shoeporn downloading.

[02:06:35]

wagnerrp:

the website? or the API?

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mangus580:

oh damn

[02:06:40]

mangus580:

the API

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wagnerrp:

mythtv uses the 2.0 API, which is currently offline

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wagnerrp:

theyre transitioning to the 2.1 API

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mangus580:

I see

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mangus580:

will myth have to be updated to work with 2.1?

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wagnerrp:

i assume theyre going to bring 2.0 back online eventually

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, tmdb.pl will have to be updated

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mangus580:

guess I shoulda stayed up late last night and updated all my movies LOL

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wagnerrp:

the website was taken down early last night

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wagnerrp:

wouldnt have made any difference

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mangus580:

odd... my lookups were working about 1am

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mangus580:

eastern

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wagnerrp:

well the website went down for updates early last night, the API servers may have stayed up much longer

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[yzf600]:

I've got mythtv 0.22 along with one hdhomerun tuner, tuning cable QAM channels.

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[yzf600]:

Is there a way to manually configure the channels instead of using the channel scanner? The scanner picks up a lot of crap I don't want to wade through

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wagnerrp:

no

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[yzf600]:

suck

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[yzf600]:

I was hoping to manuall insert values into channel DB table

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[yzf600]:

but I ran across the dtv_multiplex table also

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sphery:

there's a lot more to a digital channel than the channel table

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sphery:

which is why you can't manually insert digital channels

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Joshhhhhh:

[yzf600], it can be done, but it'll take knowledge of the digital frequeicnes, transports, and streams your programs are one, and then insert them into the respective tables. By the way, it's also an unsupported configuration.

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Joshhhhhh:

[yzf600], it's easier to scan once, and delete the channels you cant get

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Joshhhhhh:

then make a backup.

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wagnerrp:

although theres at least one user around here who frequently suggests it as the proper way to do things

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sphery:

/and/ it takes a detailed knowledge of the MythTV database schema and the constraints on all the data in all the fields in the tables that are used

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[yzf600]:

unless your cable operator monkies with their line up every month

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sphery:

(manually inserting does)

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sphery:

[yzf600]: which cable operator?

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[yzf600]:

Joshhhhhh: I have the freq & prog id

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Joshhhhhh:

[yzf600], you'll eventually end up with only the 'must carry' channels.

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[yzf600]:

sphery: charter

[02:27:36]

Joshhhhhh:

[yzf600], probably be easier to get a good antenna.

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sphery:

well, if they're switching to SCTE65, check out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan

[02:28:01]

[yzf600]:

Joshhhhhh: I live too far to get good reception

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sphery:

though I don't know anything about charter, so probably not relevant

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[yzf600]:

so I went through the pain of channel scan

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[yzf600]:

labeled everything nice and such

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[yzf600]:

then I accidentally deleted one of the must have channels

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[yzf600]:

suck

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[yzf600]:

gotta scan and delete all over again

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sphery:

you can mark channels you don't want coming back as not visible instead of deleting

[02:29:51]

sphery:

not visible is treated the same as deleted except that you can actually tune to it directly in LiveTV

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sphery:

which will likely be fixed

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[yzf600]:

ok

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sphery:

so not visible is the same as deleted

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[yzf600]:

so If I went the manual DB update, I would have to program the channel DB

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wagnerrp:

channel groups for filtering? like with recordings?

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[yzf600]:

and the dtv_multiplex

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[yzf600]:

would I need to do any others?

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[yzf600]:

I'm in mysql now probing around and those 2 tables don't look that hard to create by hand

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sphery:

[yzf600]: see the source code

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sphery:

remember that /all/ data integrity checks and foreign key constraints are enforced by application code and none (other than type) is enforced by the DB

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[yzf600]:

yea

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sphery:

and really, you shouldn't be doing it manually--it will be harder and less likely to work than just doing it right

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[yzf600]:

I see your poing

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[yzf600]:

point

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[yzf600]:

just the "right" way seems too hard ;)

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sphery:

you can quickly mark a bunch of channels not visible in MythWeb

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[yzf600]:

but I guess I shouldn't complain – I get it free

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sphery:

i.e. on one page, click a bunch of checkboxes and they're all gone

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[yzf600]:

ok

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wagnerrp:

whoops... was wondering why a recompile was taking so long

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wagnerrp:

since the frontend wasnt running, X kept restarting, and loaded some 85 instances of evilwm running full load each

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[yzf600]:

suck suck suck

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[yzf600]:

backend is down due to channel changes and I'm missing my shows

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[yzf600]:

I just re-scanned and it wiped out all my channel names

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[yzf600]:

fucker

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[yzf600]:

now I have to manually view each channel to figure out what the name is

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[yzf600]:

and I can't just hit 'e' on every channel as it freezes up the GUI and I can't do anything

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kormoc:

language...

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[yzf600]:

sorry

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[yzf600]:

forgot

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[yzf600]:

maybe a better way would be to fix everyting, then dump the 2 tables

[02:49:14]

[yzf600]:

when the cable op changes freq, etc, just modify the backups, then re-insert the tables

[02:49:18]

[yzf600]:

hmmm

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Dagmar:

Not that bad of an idea

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wagnerrp:

easier to edit text files than a database...

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[yzf600]:

all I have to edit is the serviceid in channel table and frequency in dtv_multiples table

[02:57:22]

[yzf600]:

and wala – channels changed

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[03:08:53]

mchou:

until myth channel scanner works reliably, manipulating th DB is the best and most reliable way to go, as you've discovered

[03:09:23]

Joshhhhhh:

what the frick.

[03:09:40]

Joshhhhhh:

mythtv@coldfire:/myth_storage/DB_Backups$ /home/mythtv/mythtv-0.22/mythtv/programs/scripts/database/mythconverg_restore.pl --filename mythconverg-1214–20091023171511.sql.gz

[03:09:40]

Joshhhhhh:

ERROR: The database does not exist.

[03:09:57]

sphery:

mchou: ]or spending the time actually fixing the parts of the channel scanner that don't reliably work with your broadcaster is a /much/ better idea

[03:10:25]

sphery:

Joshhhhhh: you have to do the mc.sql stuff first

[03:10:46]

sphery:

Joshhhhhh: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . base_Restore

[03:10:47]

mchou:

sphery: considering it's been broken for close to two years somebody should just euthanize it

[03:10:51]

Joshhhhhh:

sphery, i did. I dropped the database and reimported mc.sql.

[03:10:59]

sphery:

mchou: considering it was just rewritten from scratch

[03:11:06]

sphery:

someone should /help/ finish it

[03:11:09]

mchou:

sphery: especially sind dvbscan works 100% reliably

[03:11:19]

mchou:

since*

[03:11:26]

sphery:

and doesn't include all the information Myth needs

[03:11:51]

mchou:

doesnt include all the info myth needs?? such as?

[03:11:52]

sphery:

Joshhhhhh: run /myth_storage/DB_Backups$ /home/mythtv/mythtv-0.22/mythtv/programs/scripts/database/mythconverg_restore.pl --filename mythconverg-1214–20091023171511.sql.gz --verbose

[03:12:21]

sphery:

such as all the info that fills up all the tables that have the channel and multiplex and other info Myth uses

[03:12:23]

mchou:

sphery: it's funny every time I run dvbscan I get all the info myth needs

[03:12:25]

[yzf600]:

eh – the scanner works, just getting the scanned data mapped to proper XMLID and channel name is the problem

[03:12:39]

[yzf600]:

I could live without proper names or icons, though

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sphery:

I have a patch for the backup/restore that will allow you to pull all that from a pre-rescan backup

[03:13:29]

Joshhhhhh:

ls

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sphery:

mchou: besides, if myth kills the integrated channel scanner, shouldn't it also kill the integrated video player and the integrated music player and ...

[03:14:09]

mchou:

sphery: why?

[03:14:14]

sphery:

then we can just use dvbscan and xine and we'll wrap it all together with scripts and call it Freevo

[03:14:22]

mchou:

sphery: I'm just talking about the channel scanner

[03:14:34]

sphery:

yeah, and Myth needs an integrated channel scanner

[03:14:44]

[yzf600]:

I'll have to say that the new messages from the 0.22 channel scanner aren't quite clear – but maybe I'm just an idiot

[03:14:59]

sphery:

and people need to spend time fixing it rather than finding complex ways to work around problems they have with it

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mchou:

no, I'm saying kill it if it doesnt work reliably, aka scrap it

[03:15:25]

mchou:

workaround

[03:15:27]

mchou:

lol

[03:15:29]

sphery:

[yzf600]: no, they're not ideal since it's a complete rewrite and it needs finishing and needs more review

[03:15:38]

[yzf600]:

what is an SCTE channel? I'm in the cable business and I've never heard of that term

[03:15:51]

mchou:

considering dvbscan has workeed RELIABLY for YEARS I do see why it's so hard

[03:15:55]

sphery:

Society of Cable Telecommunications Engineers'

[03:16:08]

sphery:

http://www.etherguidesystems.com/Help/SDOs/SC . . . /SCTE65.aspx

[03:16:12]

Dagmar:

[yzf600]: "crazy talk"

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sphery:

Service Information Delivered Out-Of-Band For Digital Cable Television

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[yzf600]:

ah ha

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mchou:

clearly whoever wrote or is writing the myth channel scanner is incompetent

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sphery:

that's the problem with it--we don't currently handle th eout-of-band

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[yzf600]:

I guess I'm just stuck with in describing channels by there resolution

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sphery:

mchou: do not call him incompetent

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mchou:

sphery: that's a fact

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sphery:

mchou: he's provided a /lot/ more to Myth (and many other FOSS projects) than you ever have

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sphery:

mchou: you're saying danielk is incompetent?

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sphery:

you're wrong

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[yzf600]:

I think the scanner is good – the problem lies in the data

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wagnerrp:

s/don't currently/cant/.... because the tuners are not set up to run through that frequency

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mchou:

mchou: haha, you've got no idea what I've even done

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sphery:

mchou: I know well what you've done for Myth

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mchou:

sphery: you don't know me from jack

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sphery:

well, you obviously don't know danielk from jack

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mchou:

sphery: I was referring to this: (and many other FOSS projects)

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mchou:

sphery: results speak louder than words

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Dagmar:

mchou: ...and your results are where?

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mchou:

sphery: they fact it's been broken despite his may attempts to "fix" is revealing

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mchou:

the*

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sphery:

anyway, danielk is not incompetent, and I'm going back to ignoring the channel because it's not worth listening to you complain while never helping

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mchou:

right, I never help

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sphery:

well, I suppose if you consider bad-mouthing Hauppauge and promoting your own personal agendas and being a jerk to any new users who come in here helping, then you help a whole lot

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mchou:

daniel could have transplanted the dvbscan code wholesale and called it a day

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mangus580:

aww c'mon +sphery..... he helped me....

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mangus580:

by pointing me to countless documents... LMAO

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mangus580:

:-)

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mchou:

sphery: I dont badmouth hauppauge

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mchou:

their hvr1600 is a POS, and that's a fact

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mchou:

I dont say anything bad about their other products

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mchou:

and since you acknowledged you know what I've done for myth I find it rather disingenious that you say "I havent helped" in the next breath

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Joshhhhhh:

sphery, ERROR: Invalid database information file, stopped at ./mythconverg_restore.pl line 686.

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Joshhhhhh:

?

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Dagmar:

It's the gay aliens

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sphery:

Joshhhhhh: what was the exact command line you used?

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Dagmar:

It's all a plot to destroy our soil.

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Joshhhhhh:

sphery, I changed my .mythtv/backuprc to point to /home/mythtv; copied the backup file and the restore script to /home/mythtv, and ran the command: ./mythconverg_restore.pl /home/mythtv/mythconverg-1214–20091023171511.sql.gz

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Joshhhhhh:

Dagmar, I thought they wanted to mate with us?

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sphery:

Joshhhhhh: you have to use --filename

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sphery:

Joshhhhhh: and you want to use --verbose

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Joshhhhhh:

sphery, oh shoot.

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Dagmar:

Joshhhhhh: Nope. It's all about landing strips for gay martians.

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sphery:

./mythconverg_restore.pl --filename /home/mythtv/mythconverg-1214–20091023171511.sql.gz --verbose

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Joshhhhhh:

sphery, I had that option when I first started, I guess I got caught up in the moment, sorry.

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Joshhhhhh:

Dagmar, hah!

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sphery:

Joshhhhhh: really, though, it /should/ be: ./mythconverg_restore.pl --directory /home/mythtv --filename mythconverg-1214–20091023171511.sql.gz --verbose

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sphery:

but it will work if you use an absolute path for the filename

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Joshhhhhh:

sphery, I could use that if I didn't have the /home/mythtv/.mythtv/backuprc file?

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sphery:

yeah, I saw you had it in your original paste

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[yzf600]:

"error opening jump program file"

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[yzf600]:

I get that now when trying to view liveTV

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Joshhhhhh:

sphery, it wasnt working originally with the full pathname to the backup file

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sphery:

with the backuprc, you can just do: ./mythconverg_restore.pl --filename mythconverg-1214–20091023171511.sql.gz --verbose

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sphery:

only does if you use --filename

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sphery:

i.e. --filename /can/ be an absolute path

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Joshhhhhh:

sphery, I did..

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sphery:

but only if you don't specify --directory

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sphery:

(actually, only if you specify a blank --directory)

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Joshhhhhh:

ahh, gotcha

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Joshhhhhh:

well, it restored

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sphery:

with the backuprc, just do the ./mythconverg_restore.pl --filename mythconverg-1214–20091023171511.sql.gz --verbose

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sphery:

that's the best

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sphery:

the DB info file is what myth uses when it calls the script

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sphery:

it overrides backuprc's, etc. so that outside of myth config won't break the inside of myth backups

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[yzf600]:

well more suck

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defaultro:

hey folks, quick question re .21. Most of our hd recordings are 16:9 ratio. Can mythtv crop the top and bottom part on-the-fly so that it becomes 1920x880? It's fine if I lose some image.

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[yzf600]:

I deleted all channels, did a fresh scan, hid all the channels I don't care about

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[yzf600]:

now mythfrontend can't view any liveTV

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defaultro:

check your xmltvid something yzf

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** Joshhhhhh could have sworn he set up automatic database backups, but can't find them when he needs them! **

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not crop anything HD, there are no compatible HD framegrabbers so its all just stream copying during recording

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defaultro:

what about during playback?

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wagnerrp:

and 1920x1080 IS a 16:9 format

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defaultro:

yes wagnerp

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[yzf600]:

defaultro: I've played channels that have an empty xmltvid before

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wagnerrp:

1920x880 is something more likely to be seen in a film

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defaultro:

yep, that is correct too

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defaultro:

i'm thinking of removing 100 pixels on top and bottom

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defaultro:

so we can't set the playback like that?

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wagnerrp:

anyway, your broadcaster should be transmitting letterboxed anyway, so mythtv would just be replacing black bars with more black bars

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defaultro:

no, it's full 1920x1080

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wagnerrp:

correct

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defaultro:

for movies they show, yes, it's got top and bottom bars

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wagnerrp:

so either you have black bars on the top and bottom, or you want to crop off functional data

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defaultro:

the latter

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defaultro:

i wish I can do that

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wagnerrp:

the only reason to do so would be is if you have a rare 2.4:1 tv or projector

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defaultro:

that's what i did with myprojector. xorg currently at 1920x880

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defaultro:

here is what I did

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wagnerrp:

one of the zoom modes may do what you want

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wagnerrp:

and you can set a default

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defaultro:

here is a 1920x1080 picture displayed on a 1920x880 xorg modeline

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defaultro:

http://restricted.dyndns.org/sony1272pic1.jpg

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mchou:

defaultro: lol

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defaultro:

then from that original file, I created another file with reso of 1920x880

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mchou:

defaultro: what movie/person is that?

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defaultro:

i cropped 100px on top and bottom

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defaultro:

http://restricted.dyndns.org/sony1272pic2.jpg

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wagnerrp:

transformers 2, megan fox

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defaultro:

:)

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mchou:

transformers???

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mchou:

wow

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defaultro:

displaying a 1920x1080 on a 1920x880 added side bars which is fine with me

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defaultro:

but displaying a 1920x880 on a 1920x880 modeline is awewsome. I filled my entire sscreen

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wagnerrp:

right, cycle through the zoom modes, see if one does what you want

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mchou:

defaultro: I thought that's supposed to be a movie for kids. :)

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mersault:

What determines whether a background image will be shows in mythvideo? I have my directories arranged with Show Title/Season #/Episode, and sometimes when scrolling through the Show Titles I get background images, other times not.

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defaultro:

mchou, LOL :D

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wagnerrp:

if one does, set it as default

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defaultro:

so wagnerp, I was thinking like removing top and bottom part from shows like Heroes

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wagnerrp:

'w'

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mchou:

defaultro: I'm bein serious....Isn't it targeted at yoinger audiences?

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wagnerrp:

hit it several times

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mchou:

younger*

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defaultro:

what does w do?

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wagnerrp:

cycle through the zoom modes

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defaultro:

mchou, PG i guess

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defaultro:

zoom modes of myth?

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sphery:

mersault: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing ?

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whoDat_:

no more blue theme with .22?

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mchou:

defaultro: yeah. zoom modes of myth playback

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defaultro:

cool

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wagnerrp:

whoDat_: the UI was completely rewritten.... as such themes must be updated to follow the new UI format

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wagnerrp:

blue has not

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mchou:

[yzf600]: there is no need to do that

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defaultro:

what really happens when zoom mode is change? Does it add top/bottom bars?

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whoDat_:

wagnerrp: ok.

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wagnerrp:

it zooms, and part of the video is cropped off

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defaultro:

k

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mersault:

sphery: they're all recognized, I've Jamu'd up the whole collection. I just can't figure out why when scrolling through my list of tv shows, Battlestar Galactica both have background images when I'm at the show title level, but the boondocks and the blue planet both don't. If I scroll down to the Season level, ALL my shows have background images

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whoDat_:

wagnerrp: I got svideo working, thanks for the help earlier!

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defaultro:

i'm going to try it this weekend

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[yzf600]:

wow – I've been trying to fix my channel line up for 3 hours now

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sphery:

whoDat_: and really rather than having people waste time rewriting the old themes designed for the old theme engine, we're trying to encourage people to write new themes designed to take advantage of the new theme engine

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[yzf600]:

still no dice

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mchou:

[yzf600]: then you're doing something wrong. Who is you cable provider?

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mchou:

your*

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[yzf600]:

charter

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defaultro:

yzf, it's been a long time since I made troubleshooting on xmltvid

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mchou:

[yzf600]: zip code?

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sphery:

mersault: sorry, I don't know details. I don't really use MythVideo because I'm years behind on my MythTV TV viewing, so I don't really need other video to watch :)

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[yzf600]:

30518

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mchou:

[yzf600]: you any good at parsing xml? :)

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whoDat_:

sphery: yeah. the new mythbuntu default theme main menu kind looks like it could have been done even with the old engine.

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[yzf600]:

mchou: I've done it once with perl

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whoDat_:

so looking forward to some new themes yet.

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[yzf600]:

but my brain parser is ok

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mchou:

[yzf600]: nah, once doesnt qualify

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mersault:

sphery: no worries. only broadcast here, so mythvideo is where I spend most of my time (except for daily show/colbert)

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mchou:

[yzf600]: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . neup_1082625

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sphery:

whoDat_: yeah, it's amazing how much more flexible it is (and getting more so as time goes by)... It will be nice to see all the new and different themes.

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wagnerrp:

mersault: mythvideo will only grab a folder image from a file directly in the folder

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sphery:

and, for anyone who's been thinking of theming, note that there /is/ a theming contest on...

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wagnerrp:

it will not go seeking multiple folders down for one

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sphery:

with great prizes

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mchou:

[yzf600]: if you can parse xml that site has pretty much everything you need

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/theming-competition

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wagnerrp:

you will have to manually add a 'folder.jpg' if you want one

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mersault:

whoDat_: I highly recommend trying out graphite, especially with after playing with jamu. It's not the best theme, but as an example of what's possible now it's pretty impressive.

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[yzf600]:

mchou: right – I've got freqid, progid and channel name

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Joshhhhhh:

I've got a stupid question – if I don't have a recent database backup, but I have the physical disk the database was stored on, is there a way to pull a backup out of it?

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mchou:

[yzf600]: you can use xml parser to import it directly into mythdb

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[yzf600]:

just don't know how to get that into myth correctly

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: Is the difference between showing and not showing related to the number of levels sub-directories? O a, asking for your own observations.

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wagnerrp:

Joshhhhhh: unless your filesystem does snapshotting, no

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[yzf600]:

I'm thinking manually making channel & dtv_multiplex

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whoDat_:

mersault: I don't know. I see how *different* things can be by seeing that theme, your right. but it's ugly to me for some reason.

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mersault:

ALL of my shows are organized as Show Title/Season #/Episode.ext

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mchou:

[yzf600]: you also need dvt_mplex or whatever it's called

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: Ok then rule that out ;)

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mersault:

exactly.

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wagnerrp:

mersault: then yes, you will need to add a folder.jpg for the 'Show Title' level

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mchou:

[yzf600]: there is no need to do that

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mersault:

I have all the xmas specials and whatnot under a Specials subfolder as well

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mchou:

[yzf600]: in your dtv_mplex table you should have a list of ALL frequencies

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mersault:

wagnerrp, this is all storage groups as well, no local access.

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defaultro:

mchou, are you using .22 now?

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mchou:

defaultro: yup

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wagnerrp:

mersault: makes exactly zero difference

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defaultro:

mchou, what do you think about it as compared to .21?

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mchou:

[yzf600]: once you do that, the rest becomes easy

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[yzf600]:

mchou: perhaps that is my problem – that dtv_multiplex does not have all freq

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[yzf600]:

I figured the channel scanner filled it out

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mersault:

okay, just checking. I'm just curious as to why some shows have an image at the Show Title level and others don't. I don't mind one way or the other, except that my anal retentive side wants to make it consistant

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: You say you used Jamu but jamu cannot parse the required info out out "Show Title/Season #/Episode.ext" only MythVideo can do that.

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mchou:

[yzf600]: no, channel scanner on fills out channles it finds (i.e. sparse population)

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[yzf600]:

mchou: and I did something apparently bad, I deleted all rows out of the dtv_multiplex table

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wagnerrp:

the channel scanner will fill that out for every frequency it actually has a channel on, and then will cross reference the entry

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mchou:

[yzf600]: lol. then all bets are off :)

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[yzf600]:

damn

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mchou:

defaultro: it's OK. I on use dvr and tv playback functions though

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mersault:

RDV_Linux, true. for brevity sake I didn't include that all filenames have are now Show Title – S0#E0# – Episode Title.ext. In fact, jamu is responsible for renaming all my video files.

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whoDat_:

"Mythvideo now has season/episode support, fanart, banners..." hmm.. so.. if I only download .avi files for videos, none of that is supported, right? it cant pull season/episode from the avi I doubt... ;)

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defaultro:

k

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: Ok that clarifies thanks

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Dagmar:

whoDat_: Right. Yer pirated anime porn is not suppoerted

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mchou:

defaultro: for that it hasn't behaved too erratically so far (ungraded last week)

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defaultro:

oh, glad i remembered this. Is there a youtube or hulu plugin for mythtv? Or is it forbidden?

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defaultro:

great to hear

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Dagmar:

YouTube, maybe.

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[yzf600]:

oh hey

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whoDat_:

dagmar: lol. so, its for... what? DVD's off the shelf?

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Dagmar:

Hulu... If you've actually read their site agreement you would not even be asking that question

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[yzf600]:

I found my database backup from May this year

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defaultro:

got it

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Dagmar:

whoDat_: And people exporting their recordings

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wagnerrp:

defaultro: there is mythbrowser, and you can access the sites directly and stream with the internal flash player

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mersault:

whoDat_, as long as all the info jamu or mythvideo needs is present in the filename, it can find all the banners and stuff for you.

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defaultro:

this is for .22 right wagnerp?

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wagnerrp:

there is a mythtube, for streaming from youtube, but it is currently abandoned, and no longer compiles against 0.22

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defaultro:

oh

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Dagmar:

Hulu has had marketing people take over

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mchou:

[yzf600]: If your cable provider revamped their channel lineup backup isnt much good

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Dagmar:

So, it's effecively on it's way out.

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mersault:

I'm surprised by the lack of streaming video plugins for mythtv, honestly.

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whoDat_:

mersault: yeah i just dont know what sources to get videos like that from

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wagnerrp:

and hulu, not a chance of complying with any TOS and having direct access in mythtv

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Dagmar:

They don't allow any external interfaces at all because they've got their own Hulu Desktop software now (which is actually quite nice) and everyone else can go bugger off for all tehy care.

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Dagmar:

Oh, and they're going to start charging for subscriptions in 2010.

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Dagmar:

So... dead.

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RDV_Linux:

whoDat_: Record them

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mchou:

good luck playing hulu anyways w/o bringing you machine to a grind

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whoDat_:

yeah. really a shame with hulu. I thought it would take over the dvr world. not anymore.

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mchou:

your*

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Dagmar:

whoDat_: That was while reasonable people were still in charge of it

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whoDat_:

yeah

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sphery:

didn't hulu announce that they were going to a subscription model?

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mersault:

I can't get behind a site that uses geographical boundaries to deny content online. It's just futile and stupid.

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Dagmar:

The moment it started gaining serious mindshare it was apparently deemed too valuable to allow the lunatics to keep running it in a reasonable fashion.

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Dagmar:

sphery: They did.

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Dagmar:

...and they will.

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sphery:

yeah, I'm kind of glad

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whoDat_:

dagmar: at least on my part, i have really slacked off with using my dvr after hulu came about. don't know about others. how about you?

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wagnerrp:

mersault: what you dont understand is that all these websites have local mirrors

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Dagmar:

The over-arching theme here is that there will be NO (as in zero, none, nada) new markets opened up from that sector that do not also involve higher, more profitable charge models.

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to be streaming large volumes of video across the intercontinental links

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Dagmar:

...which means if you want to keep Hulu, you will soon have to pay them money up front and STILL watch commercials.

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mersault:

wagnerrp: hulu doesn't. I'm in Canada, there is no hulu here.

[03:57:00]

wagnerrp:

(beyond the fact that they do not hold the licenses for broadcasting in other countries)

[03:57:16]

mersault:

I'm not talking from a load balancing the network perspective, I'm talking from a licensing perspective

[03:57:32]

whoDat_:

mersault: what happends when you go to hulu.com from canada.. they give a denial message? lol

[03:57:45]

mersault:

whoDat_: yup.

[03:57:57]

mersault:

Sorry, this video cannot be played outside of the US.

[03:58:02]

mchou:

404 :)

[03:58:02]

mersault:

or something to that effect.

[03:58:11]

whoDat_:

mersault: i am sure you can get around that with a proxy or what not

[03:58:11]

mchou:

file not found

[03:58:33]

mersault:

not a 404, the flash player loads even, it just gives you nothing.

[03:58:36]

Joshhhhhh:

Can someone share the mythbackend init script packaged in the ubuntu package?

[03:58:46]

defaultro:

mersault, setup an netcat in xinetd here in u.s. :)

[03:58:49]

mchou:

mersault: I was just joking around

[03:59:20]

sphery:

I went to last.fm and got a denial message--even though they suported usage from the US and I was connecting from my home in the US

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wagnerrp:

Joshhhhhh: did they switch to using upstart scipts?

[03:59:34]

sphery:

so for 2 years after that, I thought last.fm was UK only :)

[03:59:35]

mersault:

Of course I could bounce of my colo in North Carolina, but if they don't want to legitimately sell my eyeballs to their advertisers, why should I go through hoops to make it happen?

[03:59:43]

Joshhhhhh:

wagnerrp, no idea, I'm building from source.

[04:00:14]

sphery:

Joshhhhhh: isn't there a *buntu one in contrib?

[04:00:42]

sphery:

maybe not... was thinking in contrib/Linux/init_scripts

[04:00:53]

Joshhhhhh:

sphery, I heard once that legitimate users not being able to access services is an accepted friendly fire casualty of this new DRM legislation.

[04:01:03]

Joshhhhhh:

sphery, no, I see debian, fedora, and something called.....

[04:01:05]

sphery:

Joshhhhhh: see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7297

[04:01:13]

Joshhhhhh:

lsb

[04:01:17]

sphery:

LSB = Linux Standards Base :)

[04:01:39]

mchou:

all your base are belong to us!

[04:01:47]

sphery:

but the ticket I linked has what I think is the script used for upstarted *buntu

[04:03:10]

superm1:

it expects that you are defining the mythtv user as USER in /etc/default/mythtv-backend

[04:03:15]

superm1:

probably should have mentioned that on the ticket

[04:03:37]

Joshhhhhh:

superm1, ooh, thanks for mentioning that.

[04:03:57]

superm1:

Joshhhhhh, if you can, you'r better off just using packages tbh

[04:03:59]

sphery:

superm1: wanna add a comment to the ticket?

[04:03:59]

Joshhhhhh:

superm1, got an example /etc/default/mythtv-backend file for me?

[04:04:03]

superm1:

sphery, will do

[04:04:14]

superm1:

Joshhhhhh, packages are avaialble for the latest -fixes and -trunk

[04:04:20]

superm1:

(mythbuntu.org/auto-builds)

[04:04:21]

BlueCamel:

for all the key names/jump points found in Settings -> Edit Keys, are they documented in the wiki what they do actually?

[04:04:23]

sphery:

superm1: I'll look at committing that to th econtrib section... Should I put your instructions in comments at the top?

[04:04:34]

sphery:

or would you like to do so?

[04:05:16]

superm1:

sphery, how about i'll just post one that doesn't depend on an external file in /etc/default, that's probably just easier

[04:05:56]

sphery:

ok... I don't know anything about upstart, so I'll leave all the decisions about the best approach to you

[04:06:43]

sphery:

superm1: oh, and btw, thanks for providing it--I've already linked a few users to it :)

[04:07:02]

[yzf600]:

can anyone tell me what fills out the dtv_multiplex table?

[04:07:27]

wagnerrp:

information about the physical channel

[04:07:29]

[yzf600]:

dumbass me went and deleted all the contents of that table, now I can't tune a single channel

[04:07:52]

[yzf600]:

wagnerrp: right, but what action actually puts data into that table?

[04:08:02]

wagnerrp:

there is a lot of extra data in there you are probably never going to use, stuff related to DVB-S

[04:08:07]

wagnerrp:

the channel scanner

[04:08:14]

sphery:

now my only question is whether superm1 actually has watches set for all his ticket numbers or something--since he seems to know every time I mention the script :)

[04:08:33]

[yzf600]:

damn – I just deleted all channels, did a fresh scan

[04:08:40]

[yzf600]:

and I can't view any of the newly added channels

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superm1:

sphery, np haha, i just happen to be glancing at IRC at the right times :)

[04:08:59]

robbiet480:

hey if i do a dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-backend can i enable access from remote hosts to the backend?

[04:09:20]

robbiet480:

or mythtv-database

[04:09:31]

sphery:

superm1: maybe your brain is just hooked into the 'net...

[04:11:22]

superm1:

sphery, hehe. okay well i attached an updated one. sometime between now and 0.23 i'll try to figure out if there is a good way to determine during ./configure if upstart is in use, and if so try to add a patch to install the upstart script instead

[04:12:09]

sphery:

right now--at least in vanilla myth--we leave it up to the user to create or choose the right init script

[04:12:14]

sphery:

we don't install any

[04:12:34]

superm1:

oh i didn't realize that

[04:12:38]

sphery:

so, I plan to just add it to contrib/Linux/init_scripts/ as mythtv-backend-upstart.conf or something

[04:12:38]

[yzf600]:

ok – I'm getting desperate

[04:12:47]

sphery:

think that's a good name for it?

[04:12:56]

[yzf600]:

can someone please help me fix my disaster of a channel lineup change?

[04:12:57]

sphery:

or should it say something about Ubuntu?

[04:13:01]

superm1:

no, then the job gets called mythtv-backend-upstart.conf

[04:13:04]

Joshhhhhh:

superm1, can you also post a copy of /etc/default/mythtv-backend please?

[04:13:15]

superm1:

Joshhhhhh, just use the updated script i just posted in the bug

[04:13:23]

Joshhhhhh:

superm1, okay

[04:13:32]

Joshhhhhh:

I hope I did it right, *crosses fingers*

[04:13:43]

mchou:

[yzf600]: http://pastebin.com/d431e23fc

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superm1:

sphery, and i wouldnt say something about ubuntu – fedora picked it up, and debian is picking it up for their next release

[04:14:07]

sphery:

superm1: yeah, this is what we have: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . init_scripts , so it looks like, maybe: upstart.init.mythtv-backend ?

[04:14:07]

Joshhhhhh:

root@coldfire:/etc/default# service start mythtv-backend

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Joshhhhhh:

start: unrecognized service

[04:14:09]

superm1:

just mythtv-backend.conf with some extra comments near the top about what it is for would probably be sufficient

[04:14:13]

mchou:

[yzf600]: that's ALL frequencies for US cable

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sphery:

superm1: then the user renames it

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[yzf600]:

awesome

[04:14:25]

[yzf600]:

thanks

[04:14:30]

superm1:

sphery, yeah that sounds good. then

[04:14:32]

sphery:

(or upstart.init.mythtv-backend.conf , then)

[04:14:37]

mchou:

[yzf600]: you need to change sourceid for your own use

[04:14:43]

[yzf600]:

mchou: ok

[04:14:50]

superm1:

upstart.mythtv-backend.conf probably

[04:14:50]

sphery:

ok, cool... thanks for the info and the update

[04:14:52]

[yzf600]:

mchou: then do I just run a normal channel scan?

[04:14:55]

Joshhhhhh:

I made a symlink from /lib/init/upstart-job to /etc/init.d/mythtv/backend as per the bug instructions.

[04:15:02]

Joshhhhhh:

Was that correct?

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sphery:

ok... didn't know if the init made sense for upstart

[04:15:19]

mchou:

I dont know what you mean by a "normal channel scan"

[04:15:32]

mchou:

[yzf600]: ^^^

[04:15:37]

superm1:

Joshhhhhh, not sure if that part is actually necessary. i think it's just for compatibility purposes

[04:15:44]

superm1:

but it wont harm things

[04:15:52]

Joshhhhhh:

superdump, well, "service start mythtv-backend" doesnt work

[04:15:52]

[yzf600]:

after inserting that data into the dtv_multiplex table, do I just use mythtv-setup to run a channel scan?

[04:15:56]

mchou:

[yzf600]: I avoid myth internal channel scannel like the plague

[04:15:56]

sphery:

superm1: if you like, I can put a special note in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ripts/README about the upstart one

[04:16:08]

mchou:

[yzf600]: no

[04:16:29]

[yzf600]:

oic – parse XML file you pointed me to and insert into channel table?

[04:16:31]

mchou:

you use that link from silicondust I gave you earlier

[04:16:42]

mchou:

yup

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superm1:

sphery, yeah that's probably a good idea. somethign about how to make that symlink and where it gets installed

[04:17:03]

mchou:

and you still need to do a bit of merging after that

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sphery:

superm1: ok, I think I understand... they're rename it from upstart.mythtv-backend.conf to /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf and make a symlink at /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend that points to /lib/init/upstart-job ?

[04:18:56]

superm1:

Yes

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sphery:

s/they're/they would/

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[yzf600]:

mchou: how come no one has made a XML -> channel table insert script?

[04:19:10]

sphery:

great... I'll get that committed (probably tomorrow) to trunk

[04:19:24]

sphery:

and thanks for walking me through the details/teaching me about it :)

[04:19:31]

mchou:

[yzf600]: because it's not "approved"

[04:19:45]

[yzf600]:

mchou: would you perhaps, have one :)

[04:20:06]

mchou:

[yzf600]: there is a channels.conf import, but last I checked even that's broken too in myth

[04:20:19]

[yzf600]:

I'm being lazy over here and don't want to make a script

[04:20:27]

mchou:

[yzf600]: well, too bad

[04:20:42]

mchou:

[yzf600]: I led you to water

[04:20:51]

[yzf600]:

but that's not so much lazy as investing 4 hours and still broken

[04:21:03]

[yzf600]:

hey – I figured I'd ask

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mchou:

[yzf600]: it's up to you whether to drink or not

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[yzf600]:

when I make one, where could I post it so others could use it?

[04:21:37]

mchou:

anywhere

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[yzf600]:

and not have to suffer like I did tonight?

[04:21:44]

[yzf600]:

ok

[04:21:55]

wagnerrp:

if nothing else, put it under your user page on the wiki

[04:22:55]

Joshhhhhh:

Ohh, backend segfault, nice.

[04:22:56]

Dagmar:

Then in a few weeks we'll see if anyone's actually read the wiki

[04:22:58]

Dagmar:

At all

[04:23:06]

** Dagmar despairs. **

[04:23:20]

wagnerrp:

but it will very likely get closed on track if you put it there

[04:23:55]

sphery:

wagnerrp: So, now I'm seeing the Canadian slant on the show/setting--and it explains why the police uniforms look like rent-a-cop uni's.

[04:23:58]

[yzf600]:

well I got data into the dtv_multiplex table now

[04:24:57]

wagnerrp:

i should get my HDHR scanner cleaned up and working properly, so i can shove it in a nightly cron

[04:25:01]

[yzf600]:

so I have to parse XML, but still look up frequency in dtv_multiplex table to find correct mplexid, right?

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wagnerrp:

just something to watch and correct for moved QAM channels

[04:27:07]

[yzf600]:

thanks for the help, everyone

[04:27:38]

[yzf600]:

sorry to be a whining pia

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Dagmar:

No need to be sorry

[04:29:48]

Dagmar:

Unlike a lot of the prats who come through here, you're clearly actually trying to solve the problem

[04:30:22]

robbiet480:

so is there a way to enable connections from other hosts to a backend from a remote frontend

[04:30:31]

robbiet480:

when i installed mythtv i said no i dont want that but i have changed my mind

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sphery:

superm1: is it actually /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf or /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend.conf (i.e. is the ".d" in there)?

[04:30:59]

superm1:

sphery, no .d

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wagnerrp:

robbiet480: myth has no such setting, per se

[04:31:10]

robbiet480:

hmm

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mchou:

robbiet480: yeah, it's called ssh :)

[04:31:22]

robbiet480:

wagnerrp: no i mean the address. i set it to 127.0.0.1

[04:31:30]

wagnerrp:

in order to allow remote frontends, you have to make sure the backend is told to use not-127.0.0.1

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sphery:

ok, and it's still /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend for the symlink , right?

[04:31:34]

robbiet480:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

thats all there is to it

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robbiet480:

i need to change that

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robbiet480:

how can i change it

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wagnerrp:

just change that, and your set

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robbiet480:

mythtv-setup?

[04:31:43]

wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup

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superm1:

Yeah sphery

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robbiet480:

thanks much

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sphery:

thx

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wagnerrp:

is there any sense upgrading the HDHR firmware beyond the libraries in libmythhdhomerun?

[04:33:04]

[yzf600]:

I just relaized that channel scanner will ask you to "delete transports" if you only scan a narrow set of channels

[04:33:29]

[yzf600]:

delete transports apparently means remove data from dtv_multiplex table

[04:33:44]

[yzf600]:

no wonder I can't get stuff to work

[04:33:45]

[yzf600]:

sheehs

[04:35:12]

mchou:

[yzf600]: I told ya. AVOID

[04:35:28]

[yzf600]:

no kidding

[04:35:36]

mchou:

[yzf600]: the whole thing is such a cluster****

[04:36:12]

mchou:

creates way more problems than it solves

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sphery:

superm1: last question--you wouldn't happen to know if the /etc/rc.d/init.d using distros also use /etc/init for the upstart config files?

[04:37:05]

[yzf600]:

mchou: and dumbass me didn't backup the database before messing around with this stuff

[04:37:12]

superm1:

sphery, well so /etc/rc.d and /etc/init.d don't go away with upstart

[04:37:25]

superm1:

you can still use old sysvinit scripts, all the compatibility is in place

[04:37:32]

superm1:

you just have a better experience with upstart

[04:37:35]

superm1:

and you get process monitoring

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mchou:

[yzf600]: dude, if it makes you feel any better, it happened to me too

[04:38:12]

[yzf600]:

mchou: thankx

[04:38:40]

[yzf600]:

mchou: I just hate it when a simple thing turns into a 4 hour nightmare

[04:38:47]

sphery:

superm1: so how's this for the upstart addition to the README? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1667581

[04:39:04]

[yzf600]:

but there's more to life than TV as my wife just told me

[04:39:13]

mchou:

[yzf600]: tell that to danielk and sphery :)

[04:39:14]

sphery:

the example ln -s gets the *buntu slant since you provided the file :)

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[yzf600]:

all righty all

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superm1:

sphery, yeah that sounds good

[04:39:57]

sphery:

great. thanks

[04:39:58]

[yzf600]:

I'm throwing in the towel and calling it a night

[04:40:02]

superm1:

hopefully that should be clear to most people reading it too

[04:40:03]

mchou:

[yzf600]: especially sphery since he doesn't approve of "workarounds"

[04:40:10]

[yzf600]:

thanks again for the help everyone

[04:40:40]

sphery:

I feel that spending 4 hrs working around issues with the code is 4 hrs that could have been spent improving the code for everyone

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mchou:

sphery: no, my point is just let someone else take over the responsibility of channel scanner

[04:41:42]

[yzf600]:

my issue with that is I only know my issues with digital cable – I'd end up fixing the scanner for it, but blow everone else away (DVB, over the air, etc)

[04:41:46]

mchou:

2+ years and it's even more broken than before

[04:42:07]

mchou:

at least channels.conf important used to work

[04:42:16]

mchou:

import*

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[yzf600]:

mchou: tomorrow I'll try to hack a script together to take the XML data and import it into sql table

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sphery:

superm1: ok, really this is the last question--since I know nothing of upstart--are the tabs on 2 of 4 lines at the bottom of the script (following the word script) important or can I replace them with spaces? (And, I'm assuming the end-of-line tab after the word script is unnecessary)

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mchou:

[yzf600]: cool, but that would only work in US :)

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superm1:

sphery, there does need to be an indentation, and comparing to other upstart scripts, it looks like spaces are socially acceptable

[04:46:07]

sphery:

superm1: great... I just wanted the 4 lines to use the same--don't care whether tab or spaces

[04:46:10]

superm1:

and yeah that whitespace after the word script is unnecessary

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sphery:

and no need for --daemon or anything?

[04:46:26]

superm1:

no, --daemon will break things badly

[04:46:29]

sphery:

or great

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sphery:

will commit in moments

[04:46:45]

superm1:

upstart expects processes to not daemonize so that it can supervise them

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sphery:

don't you love how the "quick and easy" ones end up taking up more of your time than the rest... Sorry for my ignorance, but thanks for the help with it.

[04:47:07]

superm1:

ah the tabs/spaces was a bad quick copy/paste job, appologies there

[04:47:27]

sphery:

no problem... I just have my editor showing tabs and spaces and stuff, so they stand out :)

[04:47:37]

** sphery is a bit OCD **

[04:47:46]

superm1:

normally geany does for me too. i just was using nano over ssh

[04:47:53]

superm1:

i wonder if nano has a nice setting to show that too

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight.ogg

[05:04:04]

iamlindoro:

Little video preview of Arclight for those interested

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wagnerrp:

ooh... view homepage

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iamlindoro:

yup :)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: That's might be worse than Graphite... Just watching the video of it killed my X

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iamlindoro:

Hehe... and it's hard to top the sheer awfulness of Graphite, the mailing list told me so

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sphery:

(which, incidentally, has nothing to do with your theme or xine, but has everything to do with X and my GPU and the proprietary drivers for it not getting along--but why should that stop me from blaming your theme)

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sphery:

I'll have to watch the video on my Myth frontend, where it will actuall work without killing X

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iamlindoro:

No, it's surely the theme

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iamlindoro:

reaching across formats, and the internet to kill your system

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sphery:

I still like how you've hidden SkyNet inside the XML for Graphite...

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sphery:

Sarah will /never/ think to look there.

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sphery:

ooops... unless she reads the channel logs.

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iamlindoro:

She'll never know, Slashdot told me everyone stopped using myth years ago

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sphery:

that is true

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Wicked:

looks awesome iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

thanks

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sphery:

woah... that was so worth the death of an X

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sphery:

that's really nice

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sphery:

only suggestion is maybe you should use a multi-line text edit for the Plot in Edit Metadata

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sphery:

:)

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iamlindoro:

haha

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iamlindoro:

I probably ought to animate the buttonlists too, right? :)

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

could use some lens flare

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sphery:

oooh... and animated fire

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wagnerrp:

you could rename it firelight

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/107500/saturday-nig . . . rt-firelight

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Wicked:

lol

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iamlindoro:

For someone who hates hulu, you sure link it a lot

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sphery:

heh... well I watched it on my recording, but that's the only legit way I know of to let you see :)

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dudaduda:

what is a good tv tuner card to use?

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mchou:

that depends on where you live

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wagnerrp:

and what form of service you want to capture

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dudaduda:

i want to hook up my sat to it

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wagnerrp:

cable? terrestrial? satellite? encrypted?

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dudaduda:

directtv

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wagnerrp:

so youre stuck with analog capture

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sphery:

standard def or high def?

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wagnerrp:

either standard def through svideo to a PVR card

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dudaduda:

can i do high def?

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sphery:

if standard def, PVR-150 or PVR-500 if high-def HD-PVR

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wagnerrp:

or high def through component to a HDPVR

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wagnerrp:

along with some form of IR blaster to control the STB

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dudaduda:

were can i find a good ir blaster?

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mchou:

Avatar colors look all wrong

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sphery:

does the one in the hd-pvr work, yet

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[R]:

the hdpvr comes with a blaster

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[R]:

sphery: its worked for a while

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wagnerrp:

is it usable yet?

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wagnerrp:

ahy

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dudaduda:

cool thanks guyz

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[R]:

although last i've seen... unless you're on fedora it requires manual effort to make it work

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mchou:

they're really pimping the avatar trailer

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mchou:

looks like they recycled the props from "Aliens"

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defecatn:

hi. can anyone point me where to adjust the time between consecutive if it's possible to adjust

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defecatn:

i went from a ubuntu 8.04 mythtv .21 setup and it had a 8 second pause. a 9.04/.22 now has a 12

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wagnerrp:

what pause?

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defecatn:

it will wait a bit before it starts the next recording

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defecatn:

I remember older versions use to have a option where i set it to 2

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defecatn:

seconds

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defecatn:

i can't remember where i found it though

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defecatn:

so if there are two recordings in a row on teh same channel it will now have a 12 second gap between em

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defecatn:

i could just record the whole block at once in one recording but then it won't have the show title/description etc

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tank-man:

defaultro, I dont think its done on purpose

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defecatn:

okay. i guess it's just the way it is. I was hoping that I could slice it down back to at least 8

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Dibblah:

There is no setting.

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Dibblah:

Are you using an analogue card?

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Dibblah:

(with a channel change script)

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defecatn:

yeah

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defecatn:

that must be it

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Dibblah:

Right. Make sure it's spawning that off.

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defecatn:

how do i go about that?

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Dibblah:

Go to where you set the channel change script...

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defecatn:

okay, it's python channel.py there

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defecatn:

for some reason it didn't work right iwthout pyhton in front

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Dibblah:

Add an & to the end, might work.

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defecatn:

okay thanks.

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Dibblah:

You may have to edit your script, though – Not too convinced that works as-is.

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defecatn:

i'm using the one on here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Motorola_DC . . . e4188be5b4aa

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defecatn:

first one under Create a change channel script

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defecatn:

what would you add to it if anything?

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defecatn:

if & doesn't work

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Dibblah:

That script (and therefore box) is NASTY :(

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Dibblah:

Adding & should work, I think.

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defecatn:

bummer

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defecatn:

i don't know even slightly how to do it myself

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Dibblah:

However, all it means is that you'll get the bit where the box is switching madly between channels.

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Dibblah:

... The recording won't be uninterrupted.

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defecatn:

"

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defecatn:

The one annoyance of the DCT700, as you mentioned, is the inability to

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defecatn:

send it a '0' (zero). For that, a script work-around is needed,

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defecatn:

unless someone out there has found a working lirc configuration.

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defecatn:

i wonder if that got fixed

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justinh:

heh yet more complaints about the arrow key accelerators going byebyes

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defecatn:

dibblah does this script look any better? http://pdavila.homelinux.org:8080/change-channel.py

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justinh:

well, mythvideo's INFO & MENU menus don't seem to have *that* many options – certainly about the same as the PBB does so maybe they can be tickled into being more A) contextual and B) integrated

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justinh:

and for those who complain about too many menus.. just let them use keybindings. And if they have 6 button remotes they can go to hell

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laga:

hell++

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defecatn:

aka /null

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defecatn:

:)

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justinh:

well there's one INFO menu use for mythvideo for starters. Info :)

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justinh:

so one less to put into the MENU menu :)

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Dibblah:

defecatn: Your nick is disturbing.

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Dibblah:

Anyway, the issue is that the box doesn't do 0s.

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defecatn:

sorry. i meant it to be funny

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Dibblah:

... So the channel change script is getting "close" to the target channel, then doing +-

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defec:

ohh i see

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Dibblah:

Please get the image of someone on the toilet trying to debug tuning issues out of my head.

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defec:

so if it's like channel 02 it has to go back from 10?

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Dibblah:

Depends on how the script is written, but essentially yes.

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defec:

i wonder if the later lirc's fixed that

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defec:

the box takes 0 with a real remote

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Dibblah:

justinh: Finally finished my enhanced logging patch and submitted it to Trac, where it should sit and linger for a few years.

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justinh:

Dibblah: you need commitz ;-)

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Dibblah:

No, I so don't.

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Dibblah:

I don't understand inheritance well enough OR thread safety.

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justinh:

never stopped me, but then xml is pretty safe ;-)

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justinh:

anyway, shouldn't be hard to rejig my menu integration patch to include mythvideo & other things that might need it but... the new layout is probably going to be a point of contention

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justinh:

like, the order to place items, which things are submenus etc

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defec:

is there any way to easily change the description of a recorded program?

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defec:

btw

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justinh:

can't remember if there's a multiline editor for recordings metadata

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justinh:

I think there is but I'm not sure

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justinh:

nope.

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justinh:

it was waiting for a multiline text editor widget in mythui – which I think is there in trunk now

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defec:

i have a ton of old recordings on a new setup due to crash and they just have to date as a scription

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defec:

description sorry

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defec:

way it goes I guess

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defec:

i tried to enter new ones while recording something with mythweb and manual but it always just displays the date/time in the end.

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OmniCitadel:

Looking on the wiki it says an xbox can be used as a frontend but the processor and ram causes slowdowns and is inable to decode HD. Does this also apply to the 360?

[12:03:36]

justinh:

OmniCitadel: xbox 360 cannot run non approved apps. end of story

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OmniCitadel:

so the only way to play nice with myth is upnp egh

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justinh:

who'd want a frontend as noisy as an xbox 360 anyway

[12:04:36]

OmniCitadel:

justinh: you should see how noisy my back end is...

[12:04:59]

OmniCitadel:

me thinks the 1000w PS and quad core were a bit over kill in hindsight

[12:05:01]

justinh:

sure but I wouldn't want a backend in my livingroom either

[12:05:22]

OmniCitadel:

justinh: what do you use for your front end?

[12:05:46]

justinh:

c2d mobile T5600, yada yada

[12:05:54]

justinh:

next to no fan

[12:06:23]

OmniCitadel:

on a micro atx board?

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

not much use for h.264 broadcast HD though

[12:08:28]

OmniCitadel:

yea I am doing HD... I would love to use my PS3 but the lack of ram seems like it is a bit of an issue so I read

[12:08:56]

justinh:

ok for mpeg2 HD though

[12:09:17]

justinh:

not that we have any of that here

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OmniCitadel:

if the ps3 was used as upnp what are the limitations?

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justinh:

prolly whatever limitations the ps3 has as a media player

[12:13:42]

ivor:

OmniCitadel: lack of decent navigation structure with upnp.

[12:13:53]

justinh:

that & upnp is hardly really universal

[12:14:30]

ivor:

no thumbnails. otherwise quite handy to have available.

[12:14:41]

justinh:

thumbnails ain't all that

[12:15:17]

ivor:

justinh: indeed, but the simple fact of having tem hakes it easier to visually scan whats on the screen.

[12:15:42]

justinh:

I'm taking them out of the new theme I'm working on

[12:15:57]

justinh:

so there goes any universal appeal :D

[12:16:03]

ivor:

:)

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justinh:

we have to pad recordings so much the preview is hardly ever representative

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ivor:

true, it's not such an issue with myth since the display has more context, with the summary at the bottom and time/channel info

[12:18:06]

justinh:

once I hack the channel icon back into the PBB

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ivor:

on the upnp list on the ps3 once you navigate in to recordings you just get a long text list

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justinh:

eew

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ivor:

there are a couple of alternate groupings to go in via, by date/by name etc

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justinh:

without the groups groupings.. it'd be pretty useless

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ivor:

just having channel logos would make it simpler to quickly scan

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justinh:

no channel logos in 0.22

[12:20:02]

justinh:

not in the recordings list anyway

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OmniCitadel:

so a PS3 is currently too restrictive to linux to serve as a frontend?

[12:29:21]

justinh:

totally

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justinh:

and likely will stay that way

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justinh:

no video acceleration, yada yada yada

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OmniCitadel:

man I dont want to build a new box...

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OmniCitadel:

lol

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styelz:

all my problems seem to have gone away after reinstalling the db

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jeffjeffdejeff:

need some assistance. trying to connect to backend (which has updates switched off cos it buggered up last time it was updated) have installed ubuntu onto flashkey to be used on laptop. the flashkey installed version is obviously newer than backend and i'm getting a message to update the database schema as it's 30 versions old. is there a simple way to just update the schema on the backend? i want to avoid the problems i had

[13:42:30]

Dibblah:

The versions of all components (backend, frontend) must match.

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jeffjeffdejeff:

thank you dibblah. ALL components? is there a way of just selecting only database updates and installing them on the backend?

[13:44:43]

Dibblah:

No.

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Dibblah:

The running version must be the same.

[13:45:08]

Dibblah:

If the backend is 0.22, the frontend must be as well.

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Dibblah:

... And there's only one database – Which will be updated when you say 'yes'.

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jeffjeffdejeff:

last time i did updates it included a kernel upgrade that the stopped my remote from working. :( reluctant to do this. not very experienced with this whole thing.

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mchou:

jeffjeffdejeff: sink or swim

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jeffjeffdejeff:

certainly seems to be that way. just downloading 9.04 to install on the flashkey instead.

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jeffjeffdejeff:

if i were to upgrade to a new dist, would that include kernel upgrades as well?

[14:06:09]

jeffjeffdejeff:

as in from 9.04 – 9.10

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justinh:

generally, yeah

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jeffjeffdejeff:

cheers for the info. looks like i'm gonna be sticking with 9.04 for a little while yet then.

[14:09:43]

jeffjeffdejeff:

on all pcs in the house.

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Dibblah:

If it works... Why upgrade?

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jeffjeffdejeff:

exactly – learnt that the hard way.

[14:10:26]

Dibblah:

You're not exposing it to the internet at wide (that would be unwise), so why put yourself through problems?

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jeffjeffdejeff:

even if i was, there's nothing but hard work gone into setting it up, so wouldn't lose anything of value.

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SnafuFlux:

anyone around?

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justinh:

there ain't nobody here but us chickens

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SnafuFlux:

ha

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SnafuFlux:

howdie

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SnafuFlux:

can I ask questions about mythvideo here?

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justinh:

yes, and don't ask if you can ask

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SnafuFlux:

k

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SnafuFlux:

I'm going to ask

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SnafuFlux:

so listen up

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SnafuFlux:

has anyone else been having issues with mythvideo meta grabber for movies (themoviedb.org)?

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justinh:

it's been a bit down lately yes

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SnafuFlux:

any status on what/why?

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justinh:

they need help with hosting & bandwidth costs

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SnafuFlux:

heh

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justinh:

'free' to end users doesn't come cheap

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SnafuFlux:

since .22 they've been getting hammered?

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justinh:

mythtv is probably a contributing factor

[14:43:06]

SnafuFlux:

is there a "fix" in the works?

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justinh:

ask them

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SnafuFlux:

who, tmdb? They probably don't care if myth works

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justinh:

myth uses their 2.0 API which is where the problem you're seeing comes from AFAIK

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justinh:

so anything else using that API would also fail

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SnafuFlux:

oh, awesome. Thanks for the info.

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justinh:

we can only hope that they get enough contributions to fund better/faster hosting in future

[14:46:22]

SnafuFlux:

yah, that would really be the only way to get these that grabber working again. I miss it

[14:46:29]

justinh:

http://www.themoviedb.org/content/Donate

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SnafuFlux:

excellent. I will post this information in the Ubuntu thread I created.

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SnafuFlux:

I appreciate your help.

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BlueCamel:

jya: is your myth release repo following trunk or release-0.22-fixes?

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jya:

release

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BlueCamel:

I was suprised to see svn 22801 packages. I think 22801 is trunk only?

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jya:

that's why it's called ... release

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jya:

???

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BlueCamel:

that's why I'm surprised :)

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jya:

do you know how svn works?

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BlueCamel:

yes, but maybe I'm not clear on what track is showing me?

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BlueCamel:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/release-0-22-fixes

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jya:

i think would be worth reading about the most trivial feature of what svn does and how it works

[14:53:28]

jya:

you check out 0.21-release today, and it would be SVN#22803

[14:53:45]

jya:

could check out SVN#22803 of 0.17 for all it matters

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BlueCamel:

22797 is the latest there? 22801 rev is in trunk?

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jya:

sigh...

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BlueCamel:

sigh...

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SnafuFlux:

fyi: info regarding tmdb api 2.0

[14:55:13]

BlueCamel:

I'm tired too :)

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SnafuFlux:

OK, I think everything's working again but records that were accessed in the weird zone were cached as such. I have no easy way of clearing those records so we'll just have to wait the ~20 hours for the records to purge.

[14:55:15]

SnafuFlux:

[14:55:20]

SnafuFlux:

http://forums.themoviedb.org/post/3169/#p3169

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jya:

BlueCamel: read my previous 3 lines.. if you still don't understand, read them again

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gbee:

BlueCamel: the revision number increases no matter what branch it's tracking

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BlueCamel:

Yes, I get that. I didn't think the same rev number was synced across branches

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gbee:

since there is a 1:1 relationship between commits and the version number

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gbee:

it is

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gbee:

a new and unique revision number is assigned for every commit, no matter which branch

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gbee:

and when I say unique, I mean if 22803 was the last trunk commit then no-other branch can also have a commit with that number, the next commit to -fixes would be 22804

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gbee:

and if you check out -fixes now you get the overal repo revision number, not that of the last commit to the branch

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gbee:

which is why --version specifies the branch, if it didn't then the information (all of it) given by --version would be useless

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jya:

BlueCamel: as gbee explained (with much more patience than I coud ever show), the 0.22-fixes packages in my repo are built everyday at 6AM GMT, it checks out 0.22-fixes at that time. so if 22803 is what it was at 6AM GMT, this is what you get

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BlueCamel:

thanks gbee, I was confused by what track was showing me

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BlueCamel:

co of 0.22-fixes @ 22801 and svn diff to 22797 shows not difference as expected

[15:05:58]

BlueCamel:

seing as how 22797 was the last commited chgset to that branch

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BlueCamel:

seeing 22801 on the package and not as a change set in track confused me when I went to check for changes.

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BlueCamel:

jya: it's good to know the build time. and I'm still appreicative of the great patience you put into maintaining it. :)

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pak0_:

hi all people good afternoon

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jya:

yes... that's why previously 0.21-fixes only tracked if there was actual changes... i didn't bother doing that with 0.22-fixes yet because there were quite a few changes

[15:09:02]

jya:

and i have plenty of disk space

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pak0_:

anyone remember my problem with my dvb/t card? the problem with signal strenght?

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jya:

i'll be changing that so while it will still build at 6AM, it will only do so if there has been actual changes

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BlueCamel:

that's fair. In the past I was used to seeing the pkg version sync with the last chgset in the branch. when it didn't any more it made me think.

[15:10:16]

pak0_:

my dvb-t card, kworld pc160, have affatech chipset, and uses af9015firmware, on myth have a little lost of signal, and now, just test under windows an work fine

[15:10:43]

pak0_:

i cant do nothing for that really? only wait for better support under mythtv?

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jya:

BlueCamel: the svn version you saw has always been the svn revision at the time it was compiled

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gbee:

pak0_: linux not mythtv

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pak0_:

i know

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pak0_:

is better to search info under v4l web really?

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pak0_:

i dont like to use windows >P

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gbee:

#linuxtv

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pak0_:

i think the best way is sell it, my card

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defaultro:

need some ir remote recommendation for my new box since the one I built previously uses serial port. The new machine I am building doesn't have serial ports.

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justinh:

mce remote kit ?

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defaultro:

k

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justinh:

about the cheapest way, too

[15:31:03]

defaultro:

cool

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jams:

streamzap is also a good choice

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defaultro:

do you have other suggestions so I can look at them

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defaultro:

cool

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pak0_:

i,m looking the requiremens, and i see ... one usb free required.. but is a pci card, on mythbuntu is recognized under lsusb

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pak0_:

excuseme bad channel xD

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defaultro:

oh, I remember my friend gave me an ati ir. It's in the basement and just collecting dust. Is it supported? I remember the kernel detected it as Philips(I think) but wasn't responding to irw.

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jya:

BlueCamel: allright, not the revision number of the packaes for 0.22-fixes will always match the revision of the latest change

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justinh:

depends what kind of card it is. some tuners are actually USB devices attached to a USB interface chip on the PCI bus

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BlueCamel:

thanks jya.

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justinh:

defaultro: for anything to work in irw the codes for it have to be present in lircd.conf, silly

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jya:

s/not/now

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justinh:

defaultro: see if you can learn it (with lirc stopped) with irrecord

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** BlueCamel reads typoise **

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mchou:

defaultro: ati should be supported

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mchou:

defaultro: ati remote has been suported for ages

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mchou:

supported*

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defaultro:

yes, the remote control works on the homebrew ir I built but the ati ir receiver isn't responding. I'll try it first

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** jya going to be **

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** jya in bed that is **

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defaultro:

are there any newer ways to capture keys or do we still use irw?

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BlueCamel:

irw for monitoring. irrecord for creating a lircd.conf

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defaultro:

oops, sorry, it's been 5 years :D

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defaultro:

yep, irrecord. So are there any other?

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BlueCamel:

that's still the way

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mchou:

xev might work

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mchou:

it might even be a usb hid device

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BlueCamel:

if the device shows up as a USB HID then yeah, xev is the way to go

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mchou:

I dont recall

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BlueCamel:

and at that point lircd isn't needed at all

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defaultro:

k

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mchou:

usb HID = WIN!

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qwertyasdf:

hi

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qwertyasdf:

where can i find the old version (pre-0.22) of the html documentation?

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qwertyasdf:

n/m

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qwertyasdf:

(it's in the source)

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pak0:

i have to wait for finished myfilldatabase before test one channels?

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iamlindoro:

Hmmm... wonder if I should delete the wiki page for this third party script which scrapes IMDB

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fbnts:

Hi, I have recently upgraded to 0.22 but having issues with my video library

[17:00:38]

fbnts:

it has cleared all my images and metadata

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wagnerrp:

the Broadcom Crystal HD has linux support now?

[17:00:56]

fbnts:

When I goto the menu and search, it can't find any of the titles

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gbee:

wagnerrp: yes

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wagnerrp:

fbnts: did you switch to using storage groups for mythvideo?

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gbee:

thanks to j-rod and friends

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fbnts:

Looking at the log, its says its using /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/ttvdb.py

[17:01:36]

fbnts:

which I think it needs to be using imdb?

[17:01:49]

wagnerrp:

if you have any TV content, you should really wipe all that and rescan

[17:01:51]

fbnts:

Wagnerrp: Not as far as I aware

[17:02:00]

wagnerrp:

so that mythvideo can properly detect season and episode numbers

[17:02:16]

wagnerrp:

otherwise, you should be using tmdb.py... is that still broken?

[17:02:18]

iamlindoro:

sounds like naughty filenames

[17:02:20]

fbnts:

ah, its my video library as in DVD films (mainly ISO)

[17:02:30]

fbnts:

not my tv recordings

[17:02:31]

wagnerrp:

are you using storage groups?

[17:02:39]

wagnerrp:

or are you using the old direct file access?

[17:02:46]

fbnts:

I have not set any up?

[17:03:02]

fbnts:

They are all stored on my backend, I then have a nfs share to each frontend

[17:03:04]

wagnerrp:

if you havent changed any settings, then it should continue to just work

[17:03:29]

RDV_Linux:

fbnts: It is almost certainly your file naming convention.

[17:03:54]

j-rod:

things have been a bit silent on the Crystal HD front of late...

[17:04:43]

j-rod:

but yes, there's a linux driver and interface library for it

[17:04:59]

fbnts:

hmm, I have not changed the file names and the search worked with them before

[17:05:03]

j-rod:

to be released Real Soon Now. not sure wtf the latest holdup is...

[17:05:45]

fbnts:

for example I have Casino Royale

[17:05:59]

RDV_Linux:

fbnts: If before was 0.21 then there was no TV series grabber with that release.

[17:06:13]

fbnts:

They are films not TV series

[17:06:21]

RDV_Linux:

fbnts: Give the exact full file name please

[17:06:31]

fbnts:

Do I need to set mythtv to use imdb?

[17:06:37]

fbnts:

the file is "Casino Royale.iso"

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wagnerrp:

the only reason it should be using ttvdb is if you wiped, rescanned, and have a bunch of garbage in the filename that mythvideo detected as season and episode number

[17:07:29]

fbnts:

I have just tested with the film Crank – the filename is "Crank.iso"

[17:07:42]

fbnts:

but still get "No matches were found."

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RDV_Linux:

fbnts: That file name should trigger the movie tmdb.pl

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iamlindoro:

Likely just more of the tmdb connectivity/caching issues

[17:08:11]

iamlindoro:

That name will parse fine

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wagnerrp:

the 2.0 API page is back up?

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fbnts:

just looked at the log and it shows: Video Search: Executing "'/usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/ttvdb.py' -N Crank "

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iamlindoro:

the 2.0 API is back up, but *anything* that was queried in the 20 hour period it was down is cached as broken

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iamlindoro:

fbnts: Go to the edit metadata screen and see if somehow you have ended up with season or episode > 0

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RDV_Linux:

fbnts: Is there a chance you modified the grabber settings in MythTV. There is a page for movies and a difference page for TV.

[17:09:31]

iamlindoro:

otherwise, yes, as RDV_Linux says, you have modified your grabber settings and your movie grabber setting is broken

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fbnts:

The season is 0 and episode is 0

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fbnts:

Not changed any grabber settings that I am aware of

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iamlindoro:

Then yes, your grabber settings are broken

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RDV_Linux:

fbnts: Please double check the movie grabber is tmdb.pl while the the TV grabber is ttvdb.py

[17:11:10]

iamlindoro:

the TV grabber cannot run unless season/episode is > 0, or unless you/someone has put the TV grabber in as the movie grabber

[17:12:14]

wagnerrp:

why is Up available as a 4-disk combo

[17:12:28]

wagnerrp:

WTF are they possibly going to put in some 200GB of space?

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fbnts:

in the general settings, "command to search for movie listings: /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/tmdb.pl -M"

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iamlindoro:

I just don't see how that can be possible

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iamlindoro:

the code path to run the TV grabber cannot be triggered unless season or episode are > 0

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fbnts:

All four options are the same script just with a difference option

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iamlindoro:

Video Search: Executing "'/usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/ttvdb.py' -N Crank "

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iamlindoro:

That's a Title/Subtitle search

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iamlindoro:

is that what you're choosing?

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iamlindoro:

That's wrong, if so

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RDV_Linux:

fbnts: In MythVideo try resetting the metadata the re-grabbing with MythVideo

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

hang on

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iamlindoro:

fbnts: answer my question please

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iamlindoro:

are you choosing "Search TV by Title/Subtitle"

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iamlindoro:

emphasis on *TV*

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fbnts:

yep

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fbnts:

oh let me check

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iamlindoro:

well.... duh

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RDV_Linux:

fbnts: Do what iamlindoro is saying

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iamlindoro:

You need to be choosing "Download Metadata"... if you are choosing anything else, it's wrong

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fbnts:

ah I see, my bad, I didnt even realise that was there

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fbnts:

I was so used to in the old version to use search button#

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fbnts:

thanks for that – sorry to have cause so much pain lol

[17:18:13]

wagnerrp:

not to be outdone by ATIs new video cards, Matrox has started shipping a card capable of pushing *eight* WQXGA screens

[17:18:13]

iamlindoro:

Better that than a bug

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fbnts:

is there a 'bulk download' script that will go through my video library and download all the metadata it can?

[17:18:41]

wagnerrp:

although likely with marginal 3D capability

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wagnerrp:

fbnts: you can just press 'w' on each, or you can use JAMU

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wagnerrp:

instructions on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

if you only have a handful of films, the former will be faster

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fbnts:

ah great will look at that now – I use a remote control so might have to map that onto the remote

[17:20:07]

wagnerrp:

if you have a button for aspect/zoom, its the same one

[17:20:48]

fbnts:

ah, just hit a problem – when I click download, it finds two different titles, I select the correct one and I get: "Video data query failed syntax error at line 1, column 49, byte 49 at"

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iamlindoro:

There are several small but notable advantages to using the UI to grab metadata, I suggest doing it manually if at all possible

[17:21:11]

wagnerrp:

possibly that caching issue mentioned

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iamlindoro:

fbnts: Yes, as wagnerrp mentioned, TMDB has been having issues

[17:21:26]

iamlindoro:

and that's one of them

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wagnerrp:

wait a couple hours, and it should work

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iamlindoro:

http://www.themoviedb.org/content/Donate

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wagnerrp:

cached results get flushed after four hours

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iamlindoro:

If you'd like to avoid these kinds of issues in the future

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fbnts:

ah ok thats great – have just donated

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iamlindoro:

Awesome, thanks a lot-- We're trying to expand and improve upon our use of the grabber sources, but that relies on them staying in business :)

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** wagnerrp envisions iamlindoro going door to door... **

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iamlindoro:

s/business/existence/ (since they're not for profit)

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fbnts:

I appreciate the work people do and don't mind showing my gratitude

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fbnts:

I will donate more to these kind of projects that buy software outright

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fbnts:

s/that/than

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iamlindoro:

It's nice to see people with that kind of perspective-- I feel the same way

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iamlindoro:

Especially as the TVDB/TMDB guys have paid out of pocket to keep the sites open-- there's a depressingly sad number of people who feel that everything should be free, even when it causes harm to the person providing it

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** Lt_Dan_ catching up a bit **

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Lt_Dan_:

i see there was an issue with tmdb.. i also see that i can donate (which i'll do shortly)

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iamlindoro:

Lt_Dan_: Yeah, they moved to new hardware and hosting over the past few days, but the transition caused some issues with the version of the API we use

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iamlindoro:

The good news is that This should make them more robust, but I'm hoping that as the Myth community starts to use them, that we can help out a bit with their hosting/hardware costs

[17:39:20]

Lt_Dan_:

aah, 'splains it then--trying to refresh some old stuff in mythvideo (to get fanart, mostly) and was getting errors.

[17:39:32]

iamlindoro:

There's also http://www.thetvdb.com/?tab=donation for the TV grabber source

[17:39:39]

Lt_Dan_:

i'll donate to help out a bit, too.

[17:39:44]

Lt_Dan_:

the TV one is killer

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, they're both awesome

[17:40:11]

Lt_Dan_:

i used it to update the episode of V on Tuesday night.. mere hours after it aired.. there was data for it

[17:40:15]

Lt_Dan_:

amazing

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iamlindoro:

And it'll only get better for .23 :)

[17:40:28]

iamlindoro:

There was info for the second episode when the first aired :)

[17:40:42]

iamlindoro:

(I was using it as a test case for some work on the grabbers around that time)

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Lt_Dan_:

LOL wow.

[17:41:06]

iamlindoro:

For the "major" shows it's not uncommon for it to be there weeks in advance... it's really an awesome (Open!) source

[17:42:00]

Lt_Dan_:

i'll have to hit both those up with a donation.

[17:42:05]

iamlindoro:

Nice, thanks

[17:42:28]

iamlindoro:

(I don't benefit at all from it, I just appreciate what they provide and want to go on using them/improving our use of them)

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wagnerrp:

BBC has an article up interviewing one of the xbox pirates who got banned from Live

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wagnerrp:

claiming he saved some $600 from around 40 games

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Lt_Dan_:

BTW, love the new look of myth with the new fanart and themes. congrats to the devs

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wagnerrp:

now those chips have only been around for maybe two years, and he has 40 games

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wagnerrp:

looking back at my shelf of CDs and newer from the mid 90s, ive got maybe 70 games total

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iamlindoro:

Lt_Dan_: Thanks, glad you like it :) It's nice to hear someone say something nice... we tend to only hear the immediate complaining around here sometimes

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wagnerrp:

not to mention the guy cant count since 360 games rarely go below $30

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Lt_Dan_:

yeah.. usually good time == no news

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iamlindoro:

especially for this release, where it tends to boil down to "MWahhhhhhh it's too different"

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wagnerrp:

hes easily talking over a grand

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Lt_Dan_:

bad times = FAIL FAIL myth sux0rs.. etc.

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iamlindoro:

heh, yeah

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wagnerrp:

Lt_Dan_: you should have read through last week's slashdot post

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Cyber-Dogg:

I have 2 DCh3200's connected by firewire

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gbee:

wagnerrp: he said £600 not $

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Cyber-Dogg:

each box works fine on their own and my channels are all open

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Cyber-Dogg:

but when I daisy chain then and I'm trying to record from both at the same time... it doesn't work right

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wagnerrp:

gbee: yeah well i dont know the alt-combo for pound, and he also said the games started at 50–60 (same as us)

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Cyber-Dogg:

my recordings are choppy

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Cyber-Dogg:

and sometimes one of the STBs will reset

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gbee:

and "roughly 30 or 40"

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Cyber-Dogg:

anyone have any insight?

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wagnerrp:

even assuming he waited two years for the prices to drop, and only bought 30 games, hes still talking over a thousand pounds

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gbee:

wagnerrp: heh, figures, you get them at nearly 50% the price paid over here :) (at least by 2007 exchange rates)

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wagnerrp:

hahahaha!

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wagnerrp:

best buy has Halo3 ODST for $60

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gbee:

anyway, I'm enjoying reading the coverage immensely, I'm perversely pleased that MS cut 600,000 people off with no warning and no chance of reprieve ;)

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wagnerrp:

or Halo3 ODST (spanish edition) for $40

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gbee:

60.00 USD = 36.2422 GBP

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gbee:

now that just sucks (for a UK xbox owner)

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Lt_Dan_:

wagnerrp: what did I miss (slashdot post)?

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Lt_Dan_:

link possibly?

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gbee:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8354166.stm

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gbee:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8356621.stm

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wagnerrp:

http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/11/09/03522 . . . 022-Released

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Hoxzer:

:,(

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gbee:

oh that old news

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** Josh__ has an idea **

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Josh__:

mabye he can mount his old drive in a chroot to get a working database backup

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Lt_Dan_:

aah boy.. not very far into that post and it's full of cr*p (comments)

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Lt_Dan_:

are these TiVo employees or members of the Windows MCE group posting comments?

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Lt_Dan_:

... sorry. i'm sure that has been hashed out already here--I won't bring up those old wounds

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iamlindoro:

Lt_Dan_: Nobody is more aware of where Myth falls short than the devs... and this release goes a LONG way towards trying to fix common complaints (with a long way yet to go), but hearing the semi-cruel talk sort of demotivates one

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wagnerrp:

is there any possibility that the frontend in use could affect livetv recording on a remote backend?

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wagnerrp:

by everything i know about myth, that should not be possible

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wagnerrp:

however last night, i tried switching my HDHR over to my freebsd MBE again

[18:03:36]

wagnerrp:

everything seemed to work, but i got all sort of reception errors (on digital cable)

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Lt_Dan_:

iamlindoro: so true that a product that is free (US listings discussion aside) could result in such meanness...

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wagnerrp:

bad playback, hundreds of mpeg2 errors in the logs on all channels

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wagnerrp:

i just try it on a separate frontend this afternoon, and it works fine

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wagnerrp:

no errors

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Josh__:

wagnerrp, did you use the same coax on the first BE than you used with the freebsd backend?

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Lt_Dan_:

..also open--if something is broken in your edge-case scenario-- download the sourse and roll your sleeves up

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wagnerrp:

Josh__: HDHR, network attached

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Lt_Dan_:

post a proper ticket, or SHUT UP

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wagnerrp:

i just flushed the tuners, and added it on the other PC

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Josh__:

wagnerrp, so you didn't disconnect the HDHR from the coax?

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wagnerrp:

why would i? i didnt even go down to the basement to touch it

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wagnerrp:

it is designed to swap between multiple machines

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iamlindoro:

Lt_Dan_: Anyway, one of the primary focuses over the next release or two is going to be setup simplification and a massive removal of settings, as well as continued improvements to the UI... people will come around. And if they don't we'll get new users

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Josh__:

wagnerrp, oh, bah, you're right. I'll be quiet

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defaultro:

good morning folks. My friend is planning to give me a HD 4670 1GB. It's a video card. Will it work in mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

network attached, its not some PCI card i have plugged into one machine or the other

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Josh__:

defaultro, Video Cards work in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

defaultro: it *should* support Xv just fine right now with the fglrx

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wagnerrp:

it *may* support hardware decoding by the end of the 0.23 dev cycle

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wagnerrp:

but ATI's linux drivers have always been lacking

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defaultro:

will i be able to do 1920x1080 24bit?

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wagnerrp:

24bit?

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defaultro:

yep

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defaultro:

xorg 24-bit depth

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Josh__:

Who knew a reboot command ran from a chroot would actually reboot the machine?

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wagnerrp:

certainly

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defaultro:

or 32-bit, Ihave to check my xorg.conf

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wagnerrp:

32-bit just means you have an alpha channel

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wagnerrp:

and video is usually only 12-bit anyway

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defaultro:

oh

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devinheitmueller:

Josh__: if you are root, it is pretty trivial to break out of a chroot jail. chroot is definitely not appropriate for root users.

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wagnerrp:

chroot was never intended as a security mechanism anyway

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wagnerrp:

i dont get it... not getting those errors now

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wagnerrp:

i guess it was a transmission issue from the cableco last night

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wagnerrp:

woohoo! my MBE is a real BE now

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wagnerrp:

now if only i could get those PVRs working again...

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defaultro:

WBE?

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wagnerrp:

WBE?

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defaultro:

yeah, what is MBE?

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defaultro:

oops, typo :)

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wagnerrp:

master backend

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wagnerrp:

BEs are all supposed to have tuner cards

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wagnerrp:

it only makes sense to have my file/sql server be the MBE, but since it runs freebsd with marginal tuner support, ive had no tuners

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Josh__:

I'm trying to ressurect a database backup from an old hard drive, that will *hopefully* work if I mount the old drive in a chroot, and run mysqld, then do a dump. However, I had to install the drive in a different location, /dev/sdc instead of /dev/sdb, How can I get the chroot's mtab to reflect the new location of / ?

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wagnerrp:

i should be able to use my HDHR with it, but for whatever reason, every time i had tried for the last year, it didnt work for one reason or another

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wagnerrp:

grep -v rootfs /proc/mounts > /etc/mtab

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wagnerrp:

why would you even need a proper mtab?

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Josh__:

wagnerrp, dunno, the mysql init script complained about /dev/sdb1 not being the right partition, and rebooted the system

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Josh__:

I guess I could run it by hand

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wagnerrp:

the mysql init script rebooted the system????

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like a world of fail right there

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Josh__:

no, no.

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wagnerrp:

and perfectly good reason to switch to a new distro

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Josh__:

wagnerrp, oh, distro's already switched :)

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Josh__:

It did the whole kernel thing of root fs not available, press Ctrl+d for maintenance

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defaultr0:

wagnerp, will opengl work in ati?

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defaultr0:

someone in ati told me that tearing might happen in ati cards

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defaultr0:

due to lacking of vsycn

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wagnerrp:

defaultr0: with the fglrx drivers, yes

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wagnerrp:

there is also some issue where most of the image is mangled, there is a fix but i dont recall what off hand

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Josh__:

WOOT!

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Josh__:

I'm IN~

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defaultr0:

k

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defaultr0:

so wagnerrp, even with fglrx, I'll see tearing?

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wagnerrp:

honestly i dont know... never used fglrx

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defaultr0:

k

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Josh__:

wtf

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Josh__:

this is all read-only

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wagnerrp:

and why is my backend trying to connect to itself...

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Josh__:

I mounted all this crap "rw", but when I get in the chroot, I can't write to anything?

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wagnerrp:

any idea why i would get a 'ERROR: Master backend tried to connect back to itself!' whenever my slave backend is online?

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wagnerrp:

without the SBE, it works fine

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Same hostname/identifier?

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iamlindoro:

(shot in the dark)

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wagnerrp:

not even close

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wagnerrp:

different IPs, different hostnames

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wagnerrp:

the tuners on the MBE are the first two listed

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wagnerrp:

so even when the SBE is connected, livetv goes to the MBE tuners

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wagnerrp:

google only turns up a single outdated pastebin

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wagnerrp:

and... the tuner goes back to the SBE

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wagnerrp:

and again, it fails to work for one reason or another

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iamlindoro:

There we go, MythVideo wiki page now up do date, if still a little rough

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Dibblah:

Heh. iamlindoro: Improving the end user experience since... Quite recently, actually.

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clever:

wagnerrp: my master would do that a few months ago until i patched it to not be stupid

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clever:

wagnerrp: it would lead to an inf loop with those broadcast msgs

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iamlindoro:

Soon the weather will go cold, as will the black recesses of my heart

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iamlindoro:

and I can start adding settings like "Enable the disabling of setting for file management on remote backends"

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Josh__:

Where's the mythtv-users IRC chatlog

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iamlindoro:

and "Save tree position when vector boolean value is true. Tuesdays Only."

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iamlindoro:

"Word sound playbackbox ox moose engender pop"

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

Josh__: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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justinh:

reminds me I was gonna fix the user jobs page

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iamlindoro:

Boo hoo mah blue feem is gooonnneee

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justinh:

well, if the links get broked...

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iamlindoro:

gbee got to it first, hah

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iamlindoro:

Wish there was a better way to prevent a large wiki page from becoming a massive wall of text

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justinh:

there we go. one less wiki page with manual DB manipulation

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iamlindoro:

sweet

[19:23:06]

justinh:

left the mention of mythweb table edits – at least that's semi sensible

[19:23:26]

iamlindoro:

got most of the references to IMDB out now, too

[19:24:08]

iamlindoro:

really really want to just delete the page for the fill_mythvideo_metadataa script because of how badly broken it is, plus ToS violations, but I'll give him a chance to fix it first

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Wicked:

quick question. now that 0.22-fixes is officially out...will most the developing efforts be put into refining 0.22-fixes or put into trunk for 0.23?

[19:24:50]

Wicked:

or is there seperate developers who work on one and the others work the other?

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gbee:

we never look back

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iamlindoro:

Wicked: The only effort that will be put into .22 will be whatever bug fixes make sense to backport

[19:25:20]

Wicked:

ok. was just curios of how much action i will see in 0.22-fixes.

[19:25:42]

iamlindoro:

probably less than normal on a fixes branch since we plan to have .23 out by March

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Wicked:

i had been putting of recompinging svn for a major update. but seems a good as time as ever to do it

[19:26:06]

Wicked:

orly

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Wicked:

damn

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Wicked:

guess im used to one release lasting for a long long time :)

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gbee:

sorry, but there just aren't enough developers – if you want real honesty, we work on MythTV for ourselves and non-contributors should just be grateful that we're happy to share ;)

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Wicked:

hehe :)

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Wicked:

i wish i knew c or c++ or perl...or anything that can help lol

[19:27:05]

Wicked:

i only know java

[19:27:21]

justinh:

Wicked: not knowing anything never stopped anybody starting to learn

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kslater:

Wicked: java knowledge is a fine starting point

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iamlindoro:

I know nothing, I got commit acces, god help us all

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justinh:

well, apart from the people who just moan that they don't know anything I mean

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Wicked:

i know. i just dont have the time or passion to learn another language at this time in my life

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justinh:

you don't have to know c++ inside out for most stuff

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Wicked:

and i know that you guys hate adding extra requirements for mythtv..or else id say lets throw some java in the mix!

[19:28:35]

justinh:

the piddlingly small things I've managed to accomplish have helped, and I don't know much at all

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** justinh hates java. have to endure it at work **

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iamlindoro:

So anyway, I'm considering hashing movies as they go into videometadata to allow them to move around/be renamed/etc. without losing metadata

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Wicked:

hehe. i hated it at first...just cuz it gets so much crap from everyone...but now i love it. i can write one app on my os of choice(linux) and pass it out to all my windows/mac useing friends

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justinh:

Wicked: problem is, I've not encountered many well-written java apps

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Wicked:

i had wondered why myth hasnt done that yet iamlindoro

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justinh:

and the worst of all is the ones I have to use at work :)

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: That would be nice, for TV shows too

[19:30:33]

iamlindoro:

Because every time someone says something like that, I am filled with white hot fury?

[19:30:39]

GreyFoxx:

has the name/size/timestamp ?

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Wicked:

justinh, ah. well i dont have any to show you either ;o....my code shows im new at programming.

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GreyFoxx:

hash

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iamlindoro:

"why haven't you done that yet"

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: first and last 64k

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Wicked:

i didnt mean it ina bad way iamlindoro :)

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: cool

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justinh:

Wicked: you'd be surprised how many new ideas take aeons for people to get round to implementing

[19:31:59]

Wicked:

hehe yea.

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devinheitmueller:

In most cases things like that don't get done because the person who cares about it isn't the one who is expected to do the work to make it happen.

[19:32:30]

Wicked:

but i suppose theres a good reason why it has not been implemented.'

[19:32:33]

devinheitmueller:

I can sit here all day and suggest ways that MythTV can be improved. But who the hell am I to tell the devs what to work on.

[19:32:41]

iamlindoro:

yeah, because nobody has gotten off their fat useless ass to do it

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iamlindoro:

they'd rather ask why it isn't done yet

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iamlindoro:

</fury>

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devinheitmueller:

If it matters enough to you, then just do it and submit the patches.

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devinheitmueller:

otherwise, STFU.

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GreyFoxx:

the mythtv-users list would be a ghosttown if everyone thought that

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** devinheitmueller also turns off </fury> mode. **

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justinh:

wow. if only that'd filter down into the people who make the majority of feature request edits in the wiki

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GreyFoxx:

man, I've been stuck in my house for almost 4 days now and it's driving me nuts

[19:34:35]

Wicked:

cabin fever!

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Wicked:

;o

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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justinh:

I can't wait to get back to work. had a bad cold last few days

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devinheitmueller:

The world is full of people with "good ideas". Only an extreme subset are willing to actually roll up their sleeves and do something about it.

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GreyFoxx:

except we literally have fevers :)

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GreyFoxx:

yay for h1n1

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laga:

GreyFoxx: ouch

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laga:

GreyFoxx: can't go out for a walk?

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GreyFoxx:

my daughter had it worse than my wife and I

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justinh:

I allegedly had that. Was never tested so I dunno

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Wicked:

idk. if i wanted to get involved with myth....what would be the best language to try and learn? perl? c? c++? please no "all 3" or anything like that. im talking realistic...for a noob programmer who only knows some java

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GreyFoxx:

laga: don't want to take the change and spread it. So we're keeping to the house and the backyard :)

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iamlindoro:

Wicked: C++

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: got antivirals? Made me feel worse

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laga:

GreyFoxx: ah, backyard. not so bad

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iamlindoro:

but "learn" is subservient to "open the code and poke at it to make it do something" which is far more useful/informative

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Wicked:

i head c++ is deficult to lean

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: my daughter was given tamiflu and it's made a huge difference in her

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Wicked:

*hear

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GreyFoxx:

to be honest I was becoming very worried

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iamlindoro:

IMO, learn by doing

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iamlindoro:

and it's not *that* hard

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GreyFoxx:

her fever was crazy and she had started hallucinating

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GreyFoxx:

wouldn't eat for days

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justinh:

ow

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GreyFoxx:

very harsh breathing

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GreyFoxx:

even now she's almost back to normal but has a slight wheeze

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justinh:

over the worst by the sounds of it though :)

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GreyFoxx:

not sure if it was the tamiflu or just her body finally getting rid of it. But after getting the meds she turn a noticable upturn

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

now it's my wife and I going trhough some of it :)

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justinh:

when I got it I figured I'd had worse man-flu

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gbee:

Wicked: I wouldn't say C++ is difficult, but then some people say that playing the piano isn't difficult or drawing isn't difficult and I couldn't do either to save my life

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GreyFoxx:

but not even close to what she had

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justinh:

I still can't get my head around inheritance type stuff, but you'd be surprised what you can get away with :)

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GreyFoxx:

so, my wifes desktop machine got infected with some assortment of virii today

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Wicked:

gbee, ah yea. guess it all depends on the person.

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GreyFoxx:

and now it blue screens at boot. And if I power it off.... it turns itself back on after 30 seconds :)

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GreyFoxx:

it did it 4 times in a row before I would believe it :)

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justinh:

people say python is easy. I think not, when spaces = syntax :P

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Wicked:

hehe

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Wicked:

i heard python isnt to far from java for syntax and stuff

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wagnerrp:

justinh: you dont write clean indented code in C?

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justinh:

depends. I sometimes let my changes hang out to make them easy to find

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gbee:

I'd say that C++ once you learn the basic syntax/conventions is just simple logic, especially when you are working with a toolkit like QT which hides a lot of the crap

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gbee:

unless you want to dive straight into complex code like the video decoding etc, it's not too hard to get involved in mythtv development, you don't really even have to understand all the pieces to see the overall picture and work by example

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iamlindoro:

and it's a snowball effect... you learna little part, which necessitates learning one more part, and within a short while you know a fair bit

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gbee:

95% of code in mythtv is simple if (A) { do X } else { do Y }

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iamlindoro:

and not in a bad way, you can do pretty fun stuff even with a small bit of knowledge picked up about a specific piece

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justinh:

it can be fun even when it doesn't work as intended ;-)

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justinh:

I had tears in my eyes seeing the UI all messed up on different 3D planes when I was meddling with the GL painter.

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laga:

yeah

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laga:

debugging is fun

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justinh:

up to a point it can be :)

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justinh:

when you get to the 3rd week into staring at the same code..

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iamlindoro:

Meh, just write it correctly the first time instead

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iamlindoro:

<ducks>

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justinh:

yeah yeah

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iamlindoro:

If my post-commit commits tell you anything, it's that I don't follow that advice ;)

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justinh:

anyway the great part is, knowing you've been a contributeh helping teh communiteh

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justinh:

</canonicalmode>

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iamlindoro:

ARBEIT MACHT FREI

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iamlindoro:

justinh: and then you're just one step away from a *shudder* "Code of Conduct"

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MaxeyPad:

I have a mythtv setup based on the new mythbuntu install; however I can't get the sound to work properly. I'm using the onboard nvidia sound chipset over optical connections. Anyone have any insight on where I should start with configuring this

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wagnerrp:

its just that time of the month for myth not to do anything want, and be a general annoyance

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wagnerrp:

try it again in a couple days

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iamlindoro:

OHYAYE

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iamlindoro:

New Pulseaudio is out!

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wagnerrp:

someone on the mailing list claiming the 350 video output still outperforms modern video cards

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justinh:

but does it work?

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Let's not ask silly questions like that, I hear you can use bluetooth headphones!!!!!!!!!111111one

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wagnerrp:

because i know i certainly want to use headphones when watching tv

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iamlindoro:

I choose that argument because it seems to be one of the two or so arguments pulse adherents seem to have

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iamlindoro:

"But I can has bluetoof headphones" and "I can has multiroom audio!"

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sphery:

bluetooth headphones relate to PVR-350 how?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: They don't, they relate to pulseaudio

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sphery:

ah, I missed the (lack of) transition after wagnerrp's comment

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iamlindoro:

My comment predated his :)

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sphery:

I do understand the desire for networked audio on a Myth system, though

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wagnerrp:

you do?

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sphery:

I mean, I often play back my video on my TV in my viewing room, but have the audio output to my desktop speakers in my office

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sphery:

it just makes more sense than using the speakers in the viewing room

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sphery:

and it's not like audio is line-of-sight only...

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sphery:

</sarcasm>

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wagnerrp:

the only thing i could see it used for is mythmusic

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wagnerrp:

but then youre still going to run into sync issues with playing on multiple machines

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sphery:

besides, if someone wants to output audio on some combination of various sets of speakers, they make these things called, Audio/Video receivers that often have speakers A/B/C...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: exactly--which is why they should just get a receiver

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sphery:

you could even plug in those wireless transmitters to the receiver (and break sync even worse :)

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justinh:

why have only one encoding latency ;-)

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sphery:

justinh: yeah, if you have speakers in different rooms outputting the audio slightly offset, isn't that the same as enabling "Grand Hall" or "Ballroom" or "Orchestra" mode on your receiver? :)

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sphery:

(where, IMHO, all of the above should be called, "Head buried in the mud" mode)

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iamlindoro:

It's a curious sort of irony that their alleged strength is multiroom audio, but they can't maintain audio sync on a single box

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justinh:

oh I dunno. my receiver has 'the bottom line' which adds an awesome flange effect to the bass

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clever:

my box has a mic input, so it can detect the actual delay from each speaker to the main chair

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justinh:

now there's a word I don't use often enough. FLANGE

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clever:

and adapt its own output sync and volume

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jduggan:

justinh: haha

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justinh:

in a former life I used to maintain test systems on a production line. we made echo cancellation gear for lucent. like whole 21" racks full of stuff. and now soundcards can do it in one teeny DSP

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jduggan:

that word cant be said seriously any more

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justinh:

jduggan: musicians & music producers say you can't beat a nice fat & wet flange

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jduggan:

:D

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: the grabber scripts are now 'mythvideo.TVGrabber' and 'mythvideo.MovieGrabber'?

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justinh:

wonder when I'm gonna receive a nail bomb for defacing erm.. editing the wiki

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wagnerrp:

looks like its per-host now as well, instead of a global setting

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justinh:

hrm. where's the xinerama aspect ratio setting in 0.22?

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justinh:

anybody done a walkthrough screenshot bash of 0.22 yet?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: yeah

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justinh:

arghh. is it just me or do you have to actually be running with xinearama for the setting to appear?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Obviously because we now only put in the command line the grabber scripts need to conform tightly to the command line options, but I've been documenting those

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iamlindoro:

and they all already did anyway

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sphery:

justinh: yeah, you have to be running with >1 xinerama screen for the xinerama settings to appear

[20:37:49]

wagnerrp:

looking through the export script, looks like i need to update more than i expected

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justinh:

bugger. won't be editing the monitoraspect wiki page after all then

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio

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sphery:

hmmm.... I thought it was "aspect ration"

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justinh:

I'll go find some other victims

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: does ttvdb no longer support search with title and subtitle?

[20:39:53]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: it still does

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Did you just sync up? Please give an example.

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wagnerrp:

looking at the wiki, theres no reference on how to pull that off

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xris:

http://www.clicker.com/

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xris:

looks like they're pulling some of the info TMS is trying to sell to SD

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sphery:

justinh: you should buy a cinema-aspect TV to show 16:9 and 4:3 on 21:9

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sphery:

xris: pulling as in they're buying it?

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justinh:

sphery: yeah I know. I should also be like a millionaire or something

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sphery:

exactly

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: still -N

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: just not documented yet

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wagnerrp:

is that going to be a standard command?

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iamlindoro:

well, it'll be standard for TV grabbers, if we ever have more than one

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wagnerrp:

thats what i mean

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xris:

sphery: TMS has a product that lists all of the video available online, with URLs

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iamlindoro:

so yes, mythvideo.TVGrabber -N

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: ./ttvdb -N "Sanctuary" "Pavor Nocturnus"

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RDV_Linux:

S02E05

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iamlindoro:

-N $TITLE $SUBTITLE, that is

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justinh:

ffs http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Running_MythTV_Dual_Headed that kind of madness has to end NOW

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Think he's just trying to figure out how to wrap his export script around it, think he knows that it works

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: i remember what it was, just commenting that it was not documented in the 'MythVideo_Grabber_Script_Format' on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

i.e.: not a standard function

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Scared me after the new commit just hours ago

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iamlindoro:

I'll get it documented later, figured since we lived without documentation of grabbers to date, nobody was looking at it but me :)

[20:44:58]

wagnerrp:

just making sure it was going to continue being a standard function

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sphery:

xris: yeah, just wondered whether you thought they were buying it from TMS or getting it elsewhere

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xris:

probably a bit of both

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wagnerrp:

i also need to start transitioning stuff over to subprocess, looks like the 'os.popen' command is getting obsoleted

[20:46:55]

xris:

for some videos.. could pull hulu from rss, and abc links from TMS

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xris:

or all from TMS.

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xris:

but they're also aggregating web videos, etc (like pigeon impossible on the homepage)

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Yes I have also tried to get rid of any os.system() in my scripts.

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wagnerrp:

i dont think i have any external function calls in the bindings, ill have to check

[20:48:20]

wagnerrp:

dont know what they would be used for if i do

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Yeah, it'll go on living, and there will probably/possibly be *one* more query type

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wagnerrp:

stuff that returns multiple images, mythvideo just pulls the first?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Depends

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iamlindoro:

For television, MV will pull the image from the position = Season number

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iamlindoro:

For fanart, anyway

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iamlindoro:

for banners and coverart, they're season specific, so it just takes the first

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iamlindoro:

for Movies, always the first

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wagnerrp:

position = season number?

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wagnerrp:

its listing 9 files for fanart on a series with two seasons

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iamlindoro:

right, so myth would pull in the first position for season 1, and the second for season 2

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nobel:

alguien que hable español

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Since fanart is not season specific, and since you get a large list, if the # of items in the list is >= the season being queried, it takes the URL at the position equal to the season #

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wagnerrp:

just to have different images for each season? not that they are in any way season specific

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wagnerrp:

ok

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iamlindoro:

right, to have different images per season

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wagnerrp:

nobel: english only here

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wagnerrp:

got it, thanks

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nobel:

ok

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wagnerrp:

and the series id gets stored for inetref?

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iamlindoro:

exactly

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iamlindoro:

in the case of TVDB, anyway

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iamlindoro:

xris: cool link-- hope someone takes them up on it

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iamlindoro:

A lot of neat applications for that

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: "homepage" too to that table, but I can add that if you like

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iamlindoro:

(after inetref if you're keeping the order intact)

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wagnerrp:

ah, forgot about that one

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wagnerrp:

any idea on youtube scraping?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: do you have code to set/get settings values in the bindings?

[21:17:09]

wagnerrp:

i would just say its not worth the effort to download, nevermind whether its TOS compliant

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sphery:

agreed on the uselesstube

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wagnerrp:

but it might be worthwhile to allow mythbrowser to pull up a page if the trailer is a URL

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yes, get and set are both available

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sphery:

how does it do the get/set? direct db access?

[21:18:53]

sphery:

just wondering

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wagnerrp:

for now, yes

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wagnerrp:

if its better, i could set it up to route through the backend

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sphery:

with direct edits, it would be necessary to send out a clearcache message to all clients

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wagnerrp:

and through the DB?

[21:19:40]

sphery:

but there's the MythXML approach that handles it all for you

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wagnerrp:

err... through the BE

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sphery:

mythxml--through the backend--it sends out the message for you

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wagnerrp:

using the webserver, rather than the backend socket?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: used kind of like: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/404164#404164

[21:20:49]

sphery:

that shows setting a global setting (blank value for HostName). for local settings, you'd specify a hostname value

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sphery:

don't know how easy that would be with python, but it would be going in the same direction all the settings access will likely be going

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wagnerrp:

aww... but the DB call is so easy

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sphery:

heh, yeah'

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sphery:

for now

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: We could probably pull the youtube link from TMDB but TBH I'm not sold on the value of that

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** sphery is considering starting on embedded mysql and mythdataserver **

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iamlindoro:

versus our built in trailer-from-file handling

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: yeah, but for files that have no specified trailer...

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wagnerrp:

anyway, im just rambling, trying to find uses for the data it gives us

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: If people really want that they can put it in as the homepage IMO

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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iamlindoro:

I am happy with the homepage thing, though, gives people a quick route to fix/improve the data, even if they have to wait for the API to refresh

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wagnerrp:

sphery: does that automatically notify all backends/frontends?

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wagnerrp:

i just call the MBE, and it handles everything from there?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, it will send out a CLEAR_SETTINGS_CACHE message to all connected frontends and backends

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wagnerrp:

is there any reference for what can be pulled over that? or would i just have to go off the code?

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sphery:

code

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sphery:

there's also MythXMLTest app

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sphery:

contrib/development/MythXMLTest/

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sphery:

it's a "web app"

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sphery:

basically, you can dump it on a web server and test out all of the MythXML stuff

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wagnerrp:

love them unions... the guys down the road had to call in UC Maintenance, and bring half a dozen people out here

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wagnerrp:

all for about 10 minutes of rough tack welding of sheet metal for an exhaust hood for an experiment

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well thats something to do for the rewrite with 0.23

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wagnerrp:

its been a direct DB call since before i started tinkering with it

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, just trying to lessen the amount of direct-db-access code... :)

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sphery:

I'm really wanting to get embedded mysql in a usable state

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sphery:

and it will prevent all direct db access

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iamlindoro:

sphery: how long do you think it would take you, conservatively, to get it to work?

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iamlindoro:

I'm not even sure how the conversion would go, so I'm curious

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wagnerrp:

sounds almost as break-everything-able as the QT4 rewrite

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, would be alot of work

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sphery:

iamlindoro: based on past history?

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iamlindoro:

heh, no, do better than that ;)

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sphery:

getting it to work on a single backend shouldn't be that tough

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sphery:

it's all the out-of-process access that will take time

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wagnerrp:

easiest option would probably be to write some QT DB module that would use all the existing DB code, and spit queries across the backend socket

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wagnerrp:

then its just cleanup on a bunch of external scripts

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wagnerrp:

minimal amount of work to get it running

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wagnerrp:

and then you could replace the existing DB calls with something else as you pleased

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sphery:

I think we'd spend more time writing that (to handle caching and navigating) than it would be worth

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sphery:

but then again, I haven't done the initial work to see just how much breaks :)

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clever:

and the current system needs the DB to find the backend

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sphery:

I still haven't decided how best to a) handle the actual data access requests and b) pass the data

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clever:

and that new patch needs the backend to access the DB!

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well you would just tell it where the backend was, rather than the db

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sphery:

clever: fortunately the whole autodetection stuff is so far broken, we can just throw away the current stufff for that :)

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sphery:

s/autodetection/autodiscovery/

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mattwynne:

folks, am I right in thinking my nebula digitv PCI card will not work with Ubuntu 9.10?

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mattwynne:

I have seen bug reports for 9.04 but I'm not really clear whether it's been fixed in 9.10

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Makere:

google it + ubuntu as keywords

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Makere:

wow does pulseaudio actually work

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Makere:

have yet to go badly out of sync

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mattwynne:

Makere thanks, I have tried that but I'm quite new to this stuff and not quite understanding what I'm reading!

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Makere:

and then pulse goes actually out of sync

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mattwynne:

e.g. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=112800 – does this mean I need to downgrade my kernel?!

[21:45:32]

Makere:

read as = dies

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sphery:

dies or just mutes?

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Makere:

mutes

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Makere:

I can't quit playback for some reason now neither

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sphery:

yeah, that's known to happen when using ALSA in such a way that Pulse re-enables

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sphery:

I don't know if it happens, also, when using the Pulse output

[21:46:55]

sphery:

but the a/v sync is an issue

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Makere:

will my recordings fuck up if I killall mythfrontend while watching it recording

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sphery:

not necessarily immediately on playback, but it will diverge over the course of playback--especially when skipping/jumping

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justinh:

language Makere

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Makere:

sorry I've learned english in a bad company

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sphery:

Makere: you can kill mythfrontend without issues

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sphery:

only possible issue is that if using LiveTV, it may leave livetv running

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Makere:

livetv running on background

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Makere:

?

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Makere:

hrr

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Makere:

I love my dinovo mini

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Makere:

I should setup the sensitivy of touchpad higher thou

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EvilBob:

should a frontend with no tuners need a myth-backend package installed?

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wagnerrp:

you know, you start getting warm, you think something is wrong with the AC, you go back to check on the cluster... then you remember youre surrounded by a trio of 120W monitors

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wagnerrp:

EvilBob: in most distros, there are no separate frontend/backend packages

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wagnerrp:

since the only thing youre going to save is a couple MB worth of binaries

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EvilBob:

where would said frontend keep a config telling it to look at 127.0.0.1 for livetv rather than looking at the masterbackend?

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wagnerrp:

the only reason to do so would be to allow a smaller set of dependencies

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wagnerrp:

the database

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wagnerrp:

go to mythtv-setup on the backend, make sure you give it a routable IP to use

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mattwynne:

I'm a first-time mythtv user and I think I've hit this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/366606

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mattwynne:

need to boot into a different kernel then?

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wagnerrp:

is that the error youre getting?

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: the "Host Address Backend Setup" screen shows the correct address, 192.168.7.2, in both IP Address Fields

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wagnerrp:

EvilBob: then you have managed to set up two separate databases

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wagnerrp:

mattwynne: very likely, you will have to.... the people in #ubuntu would probably be able to help you better

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: I simply updated the installed packages, will have to bug j-rod when I have more time I guess

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wagnerrp:

you might want to update to 9.10, the newer kernel used there may have the problem fixes already

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: thanks for your time

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wagnerrp:

EvilBob: open up ~/.mythtv/config.xml, make sure it references the correct database on the backend server

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: it does, what was where I checked first

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: all other functions see fine, example playing recordings, just livetv craps

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wagnerrp:

do you have the recording folders mounted over NFS?

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EvilBob:

yes

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wagnerrp:

probably why recordings work but livetv doesnt

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EvilBob:

oh no, sorry

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EvilBob:

not with this frontend, the other combination front/backends do

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: http://fpaste.org/akso/ is the output to the terminal when trying to watch live tv

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wagnerrp:

damnit iamlindoro... had to append 'coverart' instead of 'coverfile'...

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iamlindoro:

?

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wagnerrp:

youve got Coverart/coverart/coverfile/VideoArtworkDir, Banner/Banners/banner/mythvideo.bannerDir, ....

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iamlindoro:

What are we talking about?

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wagnerrp:

just all the different names in the database, and videometadata, and storagegroups, and in the grabbers, and...

[22:13:36]

iamlindoro:

VideoArtworkdir is a legacy item, as is the term coverfile

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iamlindoro:

every single time I have come something cover related it has been "Coverart"

[22:13:52]

wagnerrp:

but its coverfile in videometadata

[22:14:05]

iamlindoro:

Right, which is broken and wasn't implemented by me

[22:14:09]

wagnerrp:

and then theres caps and no caps

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iamlindoro:

Where? And who cares?

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wagnerrp:

just trying not to carry around several hash tables for various things

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iamlindoro:

Storage Group names get capitalized

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iamlindoro:

UI elements don't

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justinh:

gah damn inkscape & its random bloody rounding

[22:15:06]

iamlindoro:

mythvideo DB values are mythvideo.lowercaseUppercase

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wagnerrp:

some are plural, some are not

[22:15:41]

iamlindoro:

Some refer to many of a thing, some refer to one of a thing

[22:15:54]

iamlindoro:

Is there a point to this?

[22:16:00]

iamlindoro:

besides irritating the shit out of me?

[22:16:01]

wagnerrp:

no, just a rant

[22:16:06]

justinh:

iamlindoro: ever run into issues in inkscape where you edit a size field & it immediately changes to something near what you just typed but not the actual thing?

[22:16:17]

wagnerrp:

i mean it makes sense to a person, but not to code

[22:16:42]

iamlindoro:

justinh: yes, I've seen that... dunno what the logic is

[22:16:54]

justinh:

wagnerrp: it's a feature in the code too – method names, variables etc

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wagnerrp:

just trying to write a loop to handle all of this in a couple lines, and its proving difficult to do it cleanly

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iamlindoro:

Everything I've written that's meant to be human readable uses normal language conventions, ie a SG to contain many banners is "Banners"

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justinh:

iamlindoro: thought it was just me. it's bledddy annoying :)

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wagnerrp:

i know, i just want to be lazy about things

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iamlindoro:

everything internal to the code follows pre-existing code to remain consistent

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iamlindoro:

Banner SG = Banners. banner imagetype, for a single banner = banner. Local banner directory = mythvideo.bannerDir, etc.

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mangus580:

question: will any MCE compatible remote work with LIRC?

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wagnerrp:

mangus580: some do, some dont

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wagnerrp:

there is a specific tranceiver used for the mceusb driver

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mangus580:

looking at this one http://www.circuitcity.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=1430

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wagnerrp:

while there are some MCE branded remotes that do not work with it

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wagnerrp:

typically the ones with that box and the two IRblaster leads work with the mceusb2 drivers

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iamlindoro:

the Pinnacle mce reciever will work, yes

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mangus580:

cool

[22:22:01]

iamlindoro:

though requires semi-recent LIRC

[22:22:04]

mangus580:

I will prolly hit circuit city and get one then :-)

[22:22:20]

mangus580:

might be worthy of 2... and use one for the blaster :-)

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iamlindoro:

They still ahve a retail presence?

[22:22:22]

wagnerrp:

one of the later versions of 0.8.4 i think

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mangus580:

ummm last I knew they did here

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iamlindoro:

Thought the people who bought them in bankruptcy were making them an online-only presence

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iamlindoro:

find me a "store locator" if you think they are there :)

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mangus580:

looking LOL

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skd5aner:

yes, all Circuit City physical stores closed over a year ago

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mangus580:

hmmm

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mangus580:

maybe it was best buy my friend was at

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wagnerrp:

that was over a year ago? doesnt seem like it has been that long

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mangus580:

trying to figure out where he was...

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mangus580:

as he was pretty specific to say it wasnt best buy

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mangus580:

but it was one of them 'big stores'

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wagnerrp:

compusa?

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mangus580:

compusa is LONG gone

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mangus580:

thats been like 2 years i think

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wagnerrp:

you did say 'was'

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mangus580:

he was just there last week ;-)

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wagnerrp:

mediaplay?

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mangus580:

hmmm possibly

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wagnerrp:

(gone for the better part of a decade)

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mangus580:

when he said it wasnt best buy, I said circuit city... and he said yeah

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mangus580:

oh... LOL

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justinh:

wonder when adblock plus is gonna add those flat belly adverts to the blacklist :-\

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wagnerrp:

who knows, they could be adding them themselves

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wagnerrp:

didnt one of those ad blockers get into a big stink a while back because they were adding their own ads?

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justinh:

probably

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dustybin:

i didnt realise one is meant to turn off EIT from ones tuners before you do a channel scan!

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wagnerrp:

one is meant to turn off the backend before one starts up a channel scan

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wagnerrp:

no backend means no EIT

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dustybin:

right i see

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wagnerrp:

often, the backend has the tuner locked so you cant do anything anyway

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dustybin:

Once a channel scan is complete, go back to one of the capture cards and enable EIT and add a tuning delay of 500ms. Edit the second tuning card and add a delay of 1000ms to the tuning options. this should prevent lockups and both cards attempting to download the EIT listings data.

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wagnerrp:

thats actually default behavior

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justinh:

iamlindoro: you next mission should you choose to accept it. Make the backend running warning MUCH bigger in mythtv-setup. dustybin missed it

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iamlindoro:

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wagnerrp:

turning off EIT in mythtv-setup makes no difference until you restart the backend

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wagnerrp:

so turning it off and then back on is an exercise in futility

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: this is wrong http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_500_PCI

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wagnerrp:

apparently

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justinh:

dustybin: did you know that anybody can edit wiki pages?

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dustybin:

i thought only ops can

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justinh:

they let anyone have an account these days

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iamlindoro:

although for all our sanity, we'd prefer you didn't

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iamlindoro:

I'd rather the info be wrong than have dustybin mucking about n the wiki

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wagnerrp:

yes, Giac0m0 is wrong

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dustybin:

mythtv is running rock solid, no error messages in logs at all, no segfaults

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dustybin:

and having no de-interlacing has made my picture look excellent

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sphery:

turn off the backend before running mythtv-setup, even

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dustybin:

i was in a UK department store, John Lewis earlier today, LED TVs look excellent, at last TVs are starting to look really good

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justinh:

dustybin: they call em LED but they're lying

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sphery:

I hate that they call them "LED TV's"

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dustybin:

what are they ?

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justinh:

they use LED alright. LED BACKLIGHT

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: specifically which part of Giac0m0's changes are you asserting is incorrect.

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sphery:

They don't call other LCD TV's "cold-cathode tube TV's"

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dustybin:

when compared to normal LCDs, they really do look good

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dustybin:

black blacks, and bright

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justinh:

debatable

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wagnerrp:

the fact that you should turn off EIT before doing a channel scan

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devinheitmueller:

ah, ok.

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sphery:

you should shut down mythbackend before running mythtv-setup

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sphery:

(even command-line channel scan with mythtv-setup)

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justinh:

dustybin: ones which use a matrix of LEDs in the backlight maybe

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dustybin:

justinh: go to john lewis and take a look, you will be impressed

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wagnerrp:

they can still only adjust the brightness of areas of the screen

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** justinh isn't easily impressed **

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wagnerrp:

so its still not a true contrast ratio

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sphery:

SED ftw!

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dustybin:

the only downside is the price of those TVs, ill wait until they come down

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jams:

AWK feels left out

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

get a grep, man

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: sed who?

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wagnerrp:

already been used, doesnt count

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sphery:

even NED or any other kind of FED is a winner IMHO

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dustybin:

oh yeah

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sphery:

just expect to see SED first

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wagnerrp:

oh how quickly we forget

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** dustybin dreams of a new home server box, a small nvidia based frontend box and a LED TV **

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iamlindoro:

Me too! Unfortunately these days I seldom settle on the couch to watch, always end up watching on the TV in the bedroom while working on the other monitor

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iamlindoro:

Still great for parties/"event" television

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wagnerrp:

oof... computer in the bedroom

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iamlindoro:

or movie/date night

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Meh, I own a one bedroom house, I don't have a lot of options

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iamlindoro:

bedroom becomes de facto office

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wagnerrp:

my last apartment, there was a little alcove behind the stairs

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wagnerrp:

i used to have the big noisy computer in my bedroom, but i quickly grew to enjoy the silence

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wagnerrp:

took a bit though, i remember at least one occasion where i woke up in the middle of the night because the power went out, and my big noisy computer went silent

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justinh:

:-O http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-hn0ZIL-lg&am . . . yer_embedded :-( :-(

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand what any of those icons are for

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wagnerrp:

im also interested about those 720p films with the bluray logo

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justinh:

myers

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iamlindoro:

I sure would love some animation, but since I'm not equipped to write it, I keep it to myself

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wagnerrp:

nice image gallery concept (not just the images)

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wagnerrp:

are they storing the location within the module when backing out to the main menu?

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justinh:

gonna have to rip up concept again then. meh

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iamlindoro:

In truth, there's *very* little in there you can't do with myth aside form the animations/transitions

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wagnerrp:

when they went into the music menu, it seems they were already several levels down

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iamlindoro:

they are very, very good designwise, though

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wagnerrp:

that would be a nice feature in the media plugins, storing the last position if a jumppoint was used to exit

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Josh__:

What does "error opening Jump program file" mean?

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cityLights2:

hi all

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cityLights2:

sphery: congrats for releasing 0.22

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cityLights2:

sphery: can you now address the rtl issue I asked about?

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wagnerrp:

ooh! hitachi 7200RPM 2TB for $145

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skd5aner:

when running the channel icon downloader, where is it pulling those icons from? from services.mythtv.org? are they hosted there?

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wagnerrp:

apparently with a discover card, you can get 10% for $131

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justinh:

skd5aner: IIRC lynsat.org or whatever

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: services.mythtv.org just lets you share your choices for the best icon for a channel

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poodyp:

I just bought some 1.5TB seagates for $90

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wagnerrp:

but these are 2TB, thats 0.5TB moar betters

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poodyp:

but 1.5/90 = bettar ratio

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wagnerrp:

yeah... yeah...

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poodyp:

though I wouldn't mind 2TB per drive

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wagnerrp:

and seagate has had their reputation soiled far more recently than hitachi

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poodyp:

then i'd get 4tb in a 3 drive raid

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poodyp:

yeah, i found out about that after i bought them =\

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skd5aner:

yea, I used to use the master_iconmap.xml which was a lot more reliable. I was curious how "smart" the built-in icon downloader is and if it's cappable of learning

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defaultr0:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/12/comcast-tv . . . for-existin/

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wagnerrp:

thats what services is for

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: how can you share those choices to say "this is the right one, use it"?

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wagnerrp:

does it automatically FWIU

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skd5aner:

hmmm, any manual intervention/validation options?

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wagnerrp:

defaultr0: so thats 'anywhere, in your own home'

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skd5aner:

hmmmm, not a lot of documentation on it that I can find :(

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wagnerrp:

oh, guess it logs your bandwidth usage based off your account, rather than just track internet usage as normal

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defaultr0:

just got it from my friend, I'm still watchin it

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defaultr0:

i remember hearing her that you'll just have to login to comcast.net and it will know

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defaultr0:

does anyone know here how to find the stream from silverlight?

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skd5aner:

I'm getting the channel icon downloader chosing sirrius and xm icons for my TV channels :P

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wagnerrp:

chances are its encrypted in a similar manner to RTMPe/flash

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skd5aner:

xm_cnn_espanol.jpg, xm_fox_news_channel.jpg

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skd5aner:

sirius_cnn.jpg

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defaultr0:

oh

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defaultr0:

i tried decoding it last week and can't find where it was

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wagnerrp:

probably something it generates as needed, and stores in memory

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iamlindoro:

cityLights2, why don't *you* upgrade to .22 and see if the issue still exists?

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sphery:

cityLights2: do you still /see/ the issue in 0.22

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cityLights2:

I think it is fixed in 22772

[23:34:56]

cityLights2:

did you change the way you query mysql?

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cityLights2:

can you backport it to 0.21?

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sphery:

we changed the way we deal with character encoding

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defaultr0:

k

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sphery:

we can't backport those changes to 0.21

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wagnerrp:

0.21 is closed

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wagnerrp:

there will be no more changes to it

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sphery:

but on the bright side, 0.22 is released and you can upgrade :)

[23:35:48]

sphery:

I'm just glad we don't have any MythTV LTS

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cityLights2:

0.22 has a limit that I need

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cityLights2:

it doesnt support analong channel scanning

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iamlindoro:

so scan on .21 and upgrade to .22...

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skd5aner:

sphery: haha, LTS -

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sphery:

yeah, that would be a nightmare

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brad2:

iamlindoro, do you have any experience with QNetworkAccessManager?

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cityLights2:

I am just asking because there was a theroy that there was a char mising at the end of a RTL line

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skd5aner:

I figured myth basically has NO support structure, let along a "long term one"

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iamlindoro:

brad2, nope, sorry, I don't

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skd5aner:

I treat bug fixes as gifts :D

[23:37:36]

iamlindoro:

cityLights2, nothing will be done with .21... /21 is now unsupported so it's upgrade to .22 or wait for .23

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sphery:

cityLights2: yeah, I remember the theory, but haven't found the time to investigate what /might/ be an issue in the current code without having a report of it actually being an issue in the current code

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cityLights2:

and I reme,ber spgery suggesting that once this is established we can get a patch for 0.21

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antgel:

according to the docs, pressing M in the programme guide, chooses that channel. but on my system, it brings up a sub-menu. i haven't changed any settings yet. what changed?

[23:37:57]

antgel:

0.22-fixes by the way

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skd5aner:

m has always been mapped to "menu"

[23:38:25]

skd5aner:

not sure why the docs would say that it choose the channel?

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sphery:

cityLights2: so until someone can test the custom rule creation with RTL and MythTV 0.22, I probably won't get the motivation to look into it too deeply

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cityLights2:

ok ok

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brad2:

on a side note, do you know how http post requests work? I need to send a website a username=bleh and password=blahblah, but this post function wants me to do it with a qbytearray, so i'm not sure how to aggregate that data together, i'm assuming a comma won't work :)

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cityLights2:

I will do it

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iamlindoro:

and I will never, ever let him create a patch for .21

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iamlindoro:

ever

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iamlindoro:

ever

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sphery:

cityLights2: yeah, what I need is to establish whether it's a bug that was already fixed by other changes that went into 0.22

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antgel:

skd5aner: er, i don't think so. i remember on my old box, pressing menu in the programme guide changed the channel to that channel

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wagnerrp:

hell fly cross country and take the keyboard out of sphery's hands

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skd5aner:

antgel, for me it was always space or enter/return

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sphery:

if not, I'll fix it in 0.22, if so... I'll recommend users who want RTL custom queries use 0.22 or higher :)

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skd5aner:

antgel: what doc are you referring to?

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antgel:

skd5aner: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Electronic_Program_Guide for starters

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sphery:

antgel: set "Select Changes Channel"

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skd5aner:

hmmm, I see

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sphery:

antgel: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7406 — I'm was waiting for some info before backporting to -fixes, but I may just do it

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skd5aner:

maybe it's because of the settings I have

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sphery:

skd5aner: see the ticket/commit message I linked

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sphery:

I will backport this change to 0.22-fixes after 0.22 is released. Until then users should enable the setting, "Use select to change the channel in the program guide" or use the CHANUPDATE keybinding (by default, 'X') to change the channel and then dismiss the EPG with ESCAPE.

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skd5aner:

I see

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antgel:

sphery: okay – so i'll change the setting. i didn't understand the bug report. ;) actually, i always found use of menu in this context arcane

[23:44:29]

sphery:

agreed

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sphery:

that's why we're just changing it

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skd5aner:

Is the old channel icon import method via mythfilldatabase/master_iconmap.xml still supported?

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skd5aner:

or is it deprecated based on the UI based channel importer?

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sphery:

paul was right to make menu show the menu, but it had an unintended side effect for users with different settings--another "infinite combinations to test" nightmare

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sphery:

skd5aner: the best approach is probably channel_icons.pl

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sphery:

the master_iconmap.xml is disfavored

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skd5aner:

sphery: yea, that's kinda what I meant – sorry

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sphery:

the UI-based one may not work, so channel_icons.pl is the best

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skd5aner:

I'm playing with the channel icon downloader, and I'm not too satisfied with the results

[23:47:05]

skd5aner:

I wish it would just let me manually chose all of them this way

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sphery:

yeah, wasn't sure which you meant--as channel_icon.pl is in a master_iconmap dir in contrib

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sphery:

probably needs to be renamed

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sphery:

you can manually choose all of them: http://lyngsat.com/

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sphery:

as a matter of fact, manually choosing them allows you to get the ones with alpha/transparency

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pak0:

hi there, i`m looking for a guide to watch hdtv with ac3 and 5.1 sound, but i cant find it over wiki or google

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skd5aner:

yea – I did that way back in ~2004

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pak0:

good night :)

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sphery:

with channel_icons.pl, you won't get the transparency

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justinh:

so many of the UK ones simply suck

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iamlindoro:

I spent like four hours getting all the transparent PNg icons for all my channels a few months back

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iamlindoro:

so worth it, so painful

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justinh:

AFAIK all the UK ones are jpg

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iamlindoro:

will be more worth it if we ever get a MythUI OSD

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: on lyngsat, manually?

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iamlindoro:

skd5aner, yup, and for a few odd ones, wikipedia

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skd5aner:

yea, I remember spending a few days doing it for mine WAY back in the day, but need to redo it

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Josh__:

Is there a guide somewhere documenting the difference between ATSC, DVB, and MPEG channels all found with a channel scan from an ATSC tuner over terrestrial cable?

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skd5aner:

I remember contributing to the icon script so that it'd pick the best icon, that's why I was asking if it was still supported

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iamlindoro:

for the few spots outside of the EPG that use them, they look great, they also look awesome in mythweb... but I'm waiting on the MythUI OSD and some rework of the EPG to really make it worth it

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skd5aner:

I'd be happy to update the file to manually pick the "best" files for the networks I get, but don't want to go through such an effort if it won't be considered

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seanius:

has anyone heard about any problems with latest mythtv/kernel and TT Budget c-1501 cards?

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justinh:

the icon downloader seems to have an issue with channel names containing spaces

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justinh:

makes downloading UK channel icons a complete pig

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justinh:

actually come to think about it, not many uk channel logos lend themselves to transparency anyway :)

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