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Friday, November 6th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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ahughes:

hey guys... can anyone recommend a good network media player? something with a good user interface.... good menu structure to find/play audio files e.t.c.... I know it's a little off topic sorry :)

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ahughes:

also, is the Zotac GeForce 9300 the best "Myth Complient" (high spec) mATX motherboard on the market?

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ahughes:

coz that's what I think I will buy

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sphery:

I wouldn't call any atom system high-spec, but maybe that's just me

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sphery:

I'm a big fan of using a real CPU for computing

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ahughes:

no no... not an atom

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Hadaka:

well, going over the schema, it seems renumbering those inputs is trivial as they are only used in one or two tables – I'll be doing that once I confirm that the current setup works

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sphery:

Hadaka: what are you trying to do?

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sphery:

ahughes: ah, well if it's not an atom-based thing, then it's not a bad choice of GPU, at least

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sphery:

ahughes: I'm guessing an Intel Core 2 mobo, then?

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sphery:

Hadaka: likely you can do what you want in about 30 seconds with the GUI and without any of the danger of breaking things by direct DB editing

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ahughes:

havent decided... cpu's are like supermodels... some are better than others but they will all do the job! ;)

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sphery:

heh, yeah

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ahughes:

but def not (gutless) atom.

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sphery:

I've been liking the AMD 45W dual-cores, but I got sick of waiting for inventory (since they're giving all of the new ones to Sony and HP), so I bought a 65W dual-core instead

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ahughes:

is spdif /co-ax audio the same as toslink?

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sphery:

hoping it will actually run far lower than that at max

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sphery:

pretty sure it's the same signal, though done with different media

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ahughes:

I'll just buy whatever cpu is at my price point :)

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sphery:

i.e. coax = electrons and TOSLink = photons

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sphery:

yeah, price is the main reason I like AMD :)

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ahughes:

yeah, that motherboard does not have optical out :'(

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mchou:

ahughes: you consider NMT?

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ahughes:

NMT? do tell... I will consider them now.

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mchou:

ahughes: (in the generic sense)

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ahughes:

what's NMT?

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mchou:

google "upnp nmt"

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sphery:

It's like the M1 Abrams of network media

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Dagmar:

Looks like NewEgg has *one* of the nw 45w chips at least

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Dagmar:

Single core. :(

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sphery:

yeah, they've had those single cores for a while

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sphery:

I want the Regor-based dual-cores

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Dagmar:

Oh they do appear to have a little of that

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sphery:

I'm hoping my 240 was one that /could/ have been picked and marked as a 240e, but that didn't

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sphery:

:)

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mchou:

ahughes: here is one example: http://www.popcornhour.com/

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sphery:

yeah, they have the 65W ones (240, 245, 250, etc), but no 45W ones (240e, 235e, 230e)

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ahughes:

you mean popcorn hour mchou ?

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ahughes:

ahhh yep.

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ahughes:

still more expensive than a ps3 tho.

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sphery:

I bought a 65W 240 last night, so I really wasn't too surprised when you said they had one of the new 45W's--I really expect them to get it right after I gave up.

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mchou:

ahughes: no, nmts are below $100 now

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mchou:

ahughes: PCH is on the expensive side

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ahughes:

which ones, popcorn's are ~200 -> 299

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mchou:

ahughes: asus o!play (just an example)

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mchou:

ahughes: Western Digital will have their version 2 soon

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mchou:

around $130 or thereabouts

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ahughes:

yeah, they only have the hdd one now?

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sphery:

So, do you think http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/look-out-a . . . 000-2009113/ will get its fair share of "The perfect frontend" threads on the -users list?

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sphery:

The processors will be offered at several speeds between 1GHz and 2GHz (see chart below) with performance not only noticeably better than the old VIA Nano range, but as the results below suggest, is also significantly faster than the Intel Atom N270

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mchou:

ahughes: yes, version 2 will have networking :)

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ahughes:

mchou, this... http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Network . . . 4&sr=8-4

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mchou:

ahughes: yes, that's the one

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mchou:

ahughes: guess it's out already :)

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mchou:

ahughes: "Usually ships within 1 to 2 months."

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

amazon being silly

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ahughes:

I know this is going to sound fussy... but the #1 thing I hate on all of these is that you can't search for something. Like a song.... or artist... they're next to useless for audio.

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ahughes:

that is funny

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mchou:

ahughes: that's probably a valid complaint

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mchou:

ahughes: but it's not like mythmusic is any better :)

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ahughes:

songbirds good tho

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mchou:

ahughes: get a sheevaplug!

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gizmobay:

Does themoviedb have fanart as well?

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gizmobay:

okay I see it now

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ahughes:

like this mchou http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded_proc . . . italhome.jsp looks impressive.

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gizmobay:

Is the video manager gone?

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mchou:

ahughes: lol

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mchou:

ahughes: marvell folks are a bit ambitious :)

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mchou:

ahughes: dump everything and the kitchen sink in there

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iamlindoro:

gizmobay, not gone, there's just no reason to have a menu item for it-- there's nothing you can't do in all the other views, and you can go directly to it from mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

as always, this is all covered in the transition apge

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antgel:

if i don't enable AC3/DTS passthrough, does myth do the surround decoding and pass multichannel PCM to my receiver?

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sphery:

yes and no

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antgel:

ah, actually i'm not sure it matters – it says "enable atc to spdif passthrough", but i'm using hdmi, not spdif

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sphery:

does surround decoding, and might pass some channels to receiver as PCM

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antgel:

sphery: *might* pass?

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sphery:

either 2 or 6, but rumor has it 6-channel analog audio is broken

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sphery:

I can verify 2-channel works, though :)

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antgel:

what's the point of decoding a channel if it's not spitting out PCM?

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sphery:

it is spitting out PCM--it's just that 6-channel output might be broken

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sphery:

and we only supported 2 and 6 channel

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sphery:

(stereo and 5.1)

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antgel:

hmm. i used to let my receiver decode stuff, but these days it seems so many sources can do it, i never know what's the better option if any

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antgel:

sphery: well, i can try it and cross my fingers :)

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sphery:

generally the D->A in your receiver is much better than the one in your sound card

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sphery:

definitely worth a try

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sphery:

the AC-3/DTS is generally good for quality, but limits capabilities somewhat

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antgel:

sphery: interesting. does this go for blu-ray players as well?

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antgel:

also, it's not D->A, it's D->D, no?

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sphery:

the D->A from the digitally-encoded AC-3 or DTS to analog output on speaker cables to the speaker

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sphery:

or from digitally-encoded PCM to analog output on speaker cables

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sphery:

if myth is outputting PCM, the sound card converts to analog for output to speakers

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antgel:

not if i'm using hdmi *win*

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sphery:

Myth (and, really, S/PDIF and TOSLink) can't do more than 2-channel PCM output with digital audio out

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sphery:

if you're using HDMI, myth can't do multi-channel PCM

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antgel:

i'd better get the passthrough going then :-D

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sphery:

you get either AC-3 or DTS in up to 5.1 channel or 2-channel PCM via HDMI

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sphery:

same as S/PDIF and TOSLink

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sphery:

only n-channel decoded output (where n > 2) is via analog

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antgel:

it's mute at the moment, hopefully this will kick its arse

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sphery:

I'm pretty sure of this

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sphery:

but i haven't done any HDMI

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sphery:

(not saying HDMI doesn't support it--just that Myth doesn't, at least 0.22-fixes and below)

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antgel:

hmm, no sound at all from TV. i'll try a DVD

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sphery:

anyone in here running trunk or 0.22-fixes and seeing one or more <defunct> mythfrontend processes in: ps -efw | grep mythfrontend

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antgel:

(i just set the output device to alsa:hdmi)

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sphery:

if so, I'm just curious how many occurrences of a specific error you get in your log files: MMUnix::AddDevice() Error: failed to stat <something>

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sphery:

antgel: you did use ALSA:hdmi , right?

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sphery:

it's case sensitive

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antgel:

sphery: yep, chose it from the list. just disabled internal volume control, no better

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antgel:

speaker-test is FAIL, i'd better start there :(

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sphery:

that's a good place to start :)

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sphery:

IIRC, with ALSA:hdmi, you have to set up your mixer controls and switches properly in alsamixer, but with the physical hardware device name, you might be able to send a broken signal to the receiver and it will "figure it out"

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sphery:

antgel: i.e. might want to try ALSA:hw0,3 or whatever it is

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sphery:

(also in the drop down)

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sphery:

if that works, you /should/ fix your configuration, but...

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antgel:

hmm, HDMI appears in aplay -l, but not in aplay -L

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Dagmar:

This should not come as a suprise.

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sphery:

antgel: in -L you don't have a lower-case hdmi?

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antgel:

sphery: no. yet myth gave me ALSA:hdmi as an option in the list

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sphery:

Myth has hardcoded in ones

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antgel:

ah.

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sphery:

like ALSA:digital is meaningless unless you happen to define a logical device name of digital

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antgel:

just tried ALSA:plughw:0,3. mute

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sphery:

(which is done by the asoundrc that people tell me is completely unnecessary)

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sphery:

is it ALSA:plughw:0,3 or 1,3?

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antgel:

0,3

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sphery:

is there a 1,3?

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sphery:

in the list

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antgel:

nope

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sphery:

try editing it to 1,3

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antgel:

but according to aplay -l it's 0,3 anyway (HDMI that is)

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sphery:

or pastebin your aplay -l && aplay -L

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sphery:

ok, then nvm

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sphery:

mine is 1,3 (and only has a single integrated sound card)

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antgel:

might check the bios, maybe some audio settings there

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sphery:

could be

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AndrewNC:

for building a small (20ish inch) bedroom front end, standard LCD tv or an LCD computer monitor?

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AndrewNC:

pluses for PC monitor is the frontend device can turn it off, pluses for TV is built in speakers

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sphery:

good question... I've often wondered that, myself

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sphery:

I have no idea if the TV's may be better configured for video than monitors, but I have no info to lead me to believe one way or the other.

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Dagmar:

Wow

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Dagmar:

ABC is really mastering snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

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Dagmar:

When are they airing their new reshoot of "V"?

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wagnerrp:

tuesday

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Dagmar:

Well, if you're tuning ABCND over ATSC, in primetime.

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Dagmar:

If you're looking at the analog feed?

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Dagmar:

*after midnight*

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Dagmar:

That's freakin' crazy

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Dagmar:

...considering the number of analog cable channels they're running commercials on

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wagnerrp:

theyre not running at the same time?

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wagnerrp:

my cable analog feeds are just a downscale of the digital feeds

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Nope

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Dagmar:

It's madness

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Dagmar:

If you think I'm kidding, look at the listings next week for 37209

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mag0o:

wow, they have computers in tennessee? :)

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iamlindoro:

one, but they have to share, and it's a commodore 64

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mag0o:

:)

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Dagmar:

http://www.prefixmag.com/news/michael-jackson . . . -tv-s/34345/

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Dagmar:

justinh will be mollfied

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mersault:

I'm looking for some advice on antennas. I'm in Toronto and I have one outdoor UHF antenna. From where I am, the CN Tower is 3.5KM at 106 degrees, while the furthest Buffalo station (WKBW) is about 130KM at 147degrees. Is it likely that getting a second antenna, and pointing it directly at buffalo will get me much better signal? My antenna is 3 stories up, and with some work can get a pretty unmolested view.

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** sphery starts to think it might be easier to set up an e-mail address where users with upgrade problems send backups of their 1215 or lower DB's and I upgrade them and send them back **

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iamlindoro:

but MAH PUHRAVACEEE

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Captain_Murdoch:

sounds like a cgi sript. :)

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iamlindoro:

if (title.contains("-x264.l0l") { Corrupt(); }

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mag0o:

haha

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Captain_Murdoch:

need a fairly large/complex regex for that

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I got one from a user just a bit ago and found it's a modified schema (using a MusicData VIEW and some ALGORITHM thing)... It actually segfaults during the DB upgrade, so I'll look into fixing that, but I really want to know what messed with his schema

[02:50:57]

sphery:

I'm wondering if it's some kind of "integrate your mythmusic with <world's greatest network music player>"

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iamlindoro:

you mean what besides the user? :)

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iamlindoro:

all sorts of good TV tonight-- Fringe, Office, FlashForward

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sphery:

I'm guessing the user installed something or used some script or ...

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Dagmar:

Don't worry, Apple will shut it down

[02:52:03]

Dagmar:

...at least until the DOJ comes down and shrieks "WHAT PART OF

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Dagmar:

er... "WHAT PART OF 'ANTI-COMPETITIVE BEHAVIOUR' IS CONFUSING YOU PEOPLE!"

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Dagmar:

Them blocking synching with the Palm Pre? Definitely anti-competitive and uncalled-for bullshit

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iamlindoro:

Wow, so the Fort Hood shooter is alive

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Dagmar:

He's got some freakin' explaining to do

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Dagmar:

...before they shoot him.

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wagnerrp:

Fringe was tonight?

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iamlindoro:

yep

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wagnerrp:

well thats fantastic

[03:02:09]

iamlindoro:

I mentioned here and it was on the list too

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iamlindoro:

:(

[03:02:12]

iamlindoro:

sorry

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wagnerrp:

yeah i know... just saw the list

[03:05:31]

wagnerrp:

so when was it orignally supposed to air? maybe theyll rerun it

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: This is what the schedule shows for the next two episodes as well. THey're letting NTSC people begrudgingly see it sometime after midnight

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Dagmar:

JoshAshby: Looks like it works to me

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sphery:

only 5 steps... (6 if you count saving the blank DB to the home dir)

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sphery:

hope that's not too much

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iamlindoro:

SIX WHOLE STEPS?

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iamlindoro:

you myth devs are such JERKS

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iamlindoro:

I could do it in four steps in $OtherSoftware

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iamlindoro:

and the other two steps would download my torrents and connect to my neighbors wireless

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sphery:

I'm sorry... I'll see if I can do better.

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iamlindoro:

see that you do!

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wagnerrp:

what would cause a 'Manual Cancel', besides manually doing it?

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Dagmar:

Someone manually cancelling.

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sphery:

LiveTV override?

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Dagmar:

...and sometimes they cancel manually.

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sphery:

i.e. at some points the default of going with the recording if no one answers the question about what to do has been broken

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wagnerrp:

no one uses livetv

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wagnerrp:

i have three tuners, only two were in use, and they were both on the same channel

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wagnerrp:

'The Office' just arbitrarily decided to cancel itself

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: if you're bored, I have a really interesting DB backup for you to play with... :) It causes us to lose the DB (the QSqlDatabase, it seems)--similar to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 94035#394035 and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 82266#382266 . It's not segfaulting, so I haven't gotten anything useful, yet--but it does cause mythtv-setup to exit.

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** Captain_Murdoch is trying to track down a segfault that's happening converting the ProgLister class to load in the background. **

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I'm trying to find a good breakpoint... I might actually figure something out myself.

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Captain_Murdoch:

trying to determine if there might be issues with the other screens I converted, so want to figure out why this is happening.

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sphery:

yeah, this isn't that important--I've only seen a very few cases like it--and it may be due to the modified schema

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sphery:

it can definitely wait

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sphery:

heh, so gdb is segfaulting

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sphery:

yay... got a stacktrace, finally

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mersault:

is it actually safe to trust jamu to rename my files? I tried to use it to move a couple of directories, and found that it botched the operation

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wagnerrp:

mersault: run a 'dry run' to check

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mersault:

yes, I suppose that would make the most sense.

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: How did jamu "botch" the operation?

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: I reorganize/move a season of episodes into a season folder with jamu many times without issue.

[04:07:11]

mersault:

I was moving directories full of tv shows. my dir structure was: sd/television/Show Title/Season #/#x## – Episode Title.ext, or hd/television/Show Title/Season #/#x## – Episode Title.ext

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mersault:

I was trying to make it television/<sd/hd>/Show Title/Season X/#x## – Episode Title.ext

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mersault:

firstly, it only moved a few of the shows to the new directories, but it messed up both the new ones and the old ones.

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: The problem there is the episode naming convention you are using. Unlike MythVideo jamu expects the series name to be part of the video filename.

[04:08:49]

mersault:

basically, every second directories' contents ended up in the other directory

[04:09:04]

mersault:

so one directory would be empty, the next would have two sereies' worth of shows

[04:09:25]

mersault:

I realize that now, RDV_Linux, and have gone through and added the show names to all my filenames, but at the time, I hadn't

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: I personally have not seen that behaviour with moves.

[04:10:14]

mersault:

it was very odd.

[04:10:22]

mersault:

I'm hoping that won't happen again

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otwin:

will changeset 22747 (dbcheck.cpp) go into -fixes?

[04:11:50]

mersault:

what I'd really love to see at the beginning of that Jamu wiki page is a quick section along the lines of 'if you want to have a good time with jamu, structure your videos like this...'

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RDV_Linux:

I assume that by stucture you mean file names. Directory structure should not matter.

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: Good comment in any event.

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: I figured it out... It's the Qt-MySQL bug that I found a while back with I typo but haven't mentioned because it can't possibly happen. If you touch a non-existent table or column, it kills QSqlDatabase. This guy's backup is missing oldprogram.

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sphery:

so, it actually /can/ happen--but only with a broken schema

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sphery:

I wonder if all the other ones were that way

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sphery:

(other ones where we lost QSqlDatabase)

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sphery:

Guess I should put this on my Qt-bug-fix TODO list--just after the TINYINT(1) bug

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Captain_Murdoch:

odd, but glad it's figured out.

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sphery:

funny, though--Qt3 was at 3.3.8 when they moved to Qt4. They're at Qt4.5.3 with Qt4.6 in testing and still don't have the Qt-MySQL drivers working...

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Captain_Murdoch:

is it dying in the prepare?

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Dagmar:

What?

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Dagmar:

Qt4's mysql bindings don't work?

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sphery:

No, it's dying on the exec, so my DBError breakpoint tripped at dbcheck.cpp +424

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mersault:

What does prevent jamu from being able to look at the directory structure, anyway? Also, is there any way to tell jamu to work on only a specific directory?

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Dagmar:

What's jamu?

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wagnerrp:

just another metadata utility

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Dagmar:

Ohh

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Dagmar:

i.e., something for pirates to tag all their purloined goods with quickly

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sphery:

Dagmar: well, they seem to have a lot of bugs--don't reset lastError() when /they/ try a prepared query on a statement for which prepared queries aren't supported and the developer asked for a non-prepared query (they default to prepared for "speed"); the next() function fails on a result with a TINYINT(1) that contains a value < -9 or > 99, and the whole QSqlDatabase dies if you query a non-existent table or hit a non-existent ...

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sphery:

... column

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: The only thing that prevents jamu from looking at a directory structure is the directory must be in the MythTV settings and must have RW access.

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sphery:

those are just the three I've found that have been tripped by various incarnations of Myth code and corrupt user DB's

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Dagmar:

sphery: Oh, I see. The whole "qt is shit" problem again

[04:23:29]

sphery:

heh, well, the "Qt needs some work" problem

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Dagmar:

For a call to fail because the response contains more than three _digits_ is just dim

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wagnerrp:

is centos really that frequently used for mythtv?

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Dagmar:

I mean, that's seriously jacked up. It's a freaking 8-bit int

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: Until all the TVDB/IMDB numbers are added to your videos focusing on a single directory does not work that well. To focus on a single directory do ./jamu -MI "/video dir" "/video dir"

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jtmoney_:

i know commands such as =, !=, LIKE, AND, and OR are legal, but is there anything else that is legal syntax for custom records? maybe EXCEPT or UNLIKE?

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: s/mythtv/anything/;

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Dagmar:

The answer is no

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wagnerrp:

looking at some comment in the -dev list about python versions

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wagnerrp:

honestly... with the amount of time dicking around with UTF characters in the python bindings

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wagnerrp:

(and i know i dont even come close to how much RDV has struggled with them)

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wagnerrp:

ive got half a mind to just say f- the whole thing, were going to 3.0 next release

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, all my boxes except my 2 of my old old frontends are CentOS.

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Captain_Murdoch:

course I don't use the python stuff at all. :)

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wagnerrp:

and would you otherwise understand how to upgrade python if you did?

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wagnerrp:

i mean personally, ive got no problem manually updating dependencies to work with new hardware in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

had to do it for a tuner card, an IR receiver, a sound chip...

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wagnerrp:

i suppose the user was just looking for it to be listed, rather than be backward compatible

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Captain_Murdoch:

if I had to update python, I'd google for pre-built rpms or build my own from a spec if I had to.

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sphery:

Dagmar: That TINYINT(1) failure seems to be in the formatting code, not due to the value itself (which makes it that much worse :)

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Before jumping to Python v3.x be aware that I just got it today due to Centros users not being able to use any of my scripts which all require Python v2.5 and up.

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wagnerrp:

well the bindings in general probably have some things in there that require 2.5, since thats what im running on my backend

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wagnerrp:

i was just considering making two versions available

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Same way my stuff have dependencies. It was due to what my dev environment had.

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jtmoney_:

anyone know where i can find a complete list of legal syntax commands for creating a custom recording? i desperately need something like "UNLIKE"

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wagnerrp:

theres no rush to move to 3.0, since the 2.x will be around for several more years

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wagnerrp:

but no one is going to bother writing 3.x programs, until the 3.x libraries/bindings exist

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Also I do not see distros making v3.x standard yet.

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jtmoney_:

+

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wagnerrp:

not standard, but certainly available as packages

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wagnerrp:

that could be pulled in as a dependency for their respective package manager

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wagnerrp:

and i was intending to have both available

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mersault:

hmm... I have a movie that is split into two files, and so is the accompanying .srt file. anyone have an idea about how to merge the two srt and avi files so I have one avi and one srt, with the correct timings in the srt file?

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** Captain_Murdoch suggests ripping from the original DVD again **

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mersault:

heh, if I could find this on dvd, I would.

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Captain_Murdoch:

thought so.

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mersault:

early kung fu is hard to find online, much less in physical format.

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gizmobay:

I'm having a problem with playing videos. It's trying to get them from myth://Videos@I.P./var/lib/mythtv/videos

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iamlindoro:

You ran a version of Jamu that doesn't have a critical fix applied to it, which broke your local video database info

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gizmobay:

Am I hosed?

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iamlindoro:

if you are *only* using local storage for videos, it can be fixed

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gizmobay:

yes, I'm using local storage

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iamlindoro:

UPDATE videometadata set host = "";

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iamlindoro:

run that in mysql on your backend

[05:15:29]

iamlindoro:

and make sure to remove the video storage group you have defined if you want to run Jamu again

[05:17:51]

mersault:

Any chance of mythmusic getting any developer attention for the next release? it's lacking both storage groups and mythui (and I think is the only 'standard' plugin that missed out on the mythui treatment)

[05:18:01]

Wicked:

hmm any ideas why when looking up a movie it doesnt find it..but i have added the movie to themoviedb

[05:18:27]

Wicked:

well it already existed on there...i just added stuff to it...but the script doesnt even fine the movie

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iamlindoro:

mersault, it's a MASSIVE amount of work... it'll get done when someone steps up to do it, but the person most likely to get it done is probably not going to do it for .23

[05:19:15]

iamlindoro:

Wicked, did you add the IMDB number?

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iamlindoro:

Wicked, the IMDB number needs to be set at TMDB and then you need to wait for the API servers to refresh, which can be four hours or greater

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Wicked:

as in manually enter the imdb number into the video finder?...if so yes

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Wicked:

i added it to themoviedb also

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iamlindoro:

no, as in set the IMDB number in the IMDB field at TMDB

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Wicked:

so..it scrapes data from imdb?

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iamlindoro:

no

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Wicked:

yes i set that

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iamlindoro:

then you need to wait for the API servers to update

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iamlindoro:

4+ hours

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Wicked:

oh i see.

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mersault:

iamlindoro, ah, that dev interested in other stuff at the moment?

[05:21:12]

iamlindoro:

let's see what film you mean

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iamlindoro:

mersault, that dev did all the MythUI work, and is burned out

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gizmobay:

I lost all my fanart settings. Is this normal?

[05:22:02]

mersault:

iamlindoro: wait, mythui is mostly all one dev? jesus christ... what's his name, and can i buy him a beer?

[05:22:28]

iamlindoro:

gizmobay, you probably have broken paths set in your videometadata because of the above mentioned Jamu issue

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iamlindoro:

mersault, yep, Stuart Morgan

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gizmobay:

I don't have a video storage group defined

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iamlindoro:

gizmobay, You have video and/or image storage groups defined

[05:23:42]

iamlindoro:

which confused Jamu, a bug in Jamu which has since been fixed in trunk

[05:24:10]

gizmobay:

I just compiled today from a download last night

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iamlindoro:

gizmobay, if you want everything to work properly, you really need to be doing your metadata updates in MythVideo proper

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iamlindoro:

gizmobay, you didn't compile trunk

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gizmobay:

no release-fixes.022

[05:24:38]

iamlindoro:

exactly

[05:24:45]

iamlindoro:

so not trunk, where the bug is fixed

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gizmobay:

Okay, svn update trunk and compile?

[05:25:34]

iamlindoro:

no

[05:25:53]

iamlindoro:

wait a few days, and the fix will get backported when .22 is released

[05:26:11]

gizmobay:

just remove my fanart, coverart, banners storage group?

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iamlindoro:

just clear your metadata and load it through the UI if you want it to work properly every time

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iamlindoro:

If you want to use Jamu, wait for the fix to get backported, I'll get to it sometime late next week if we release by then

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rhpot1991:

I did a review on System 76's Meerkat Ion being used as a MythTV Frontend if anyone is interested: http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/2

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wagnerrp:

is it any different from the other IONs?

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wagnerrp:

ugh... i need something faster to do comm-cutting on

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wagnerrp:

a 1.9 AthXP can play ATSC just fine... but skipping around in a recording is painful

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sphery:

1.9GHz Athlon XP playing ATSC with XvMC, surely, right?

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ola__:

hi guys. quick question: I tried searching for this, but couldn't find any information — does MythTV support MIPS processors — specifically, I'm trying to install it on my Series 2 Tivo

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sphery:

heh, you found this channel just as I was getting the link... :) anyway...

[06:59:36]

sphery:

But, Myth is great if you actually give it the type of hardware it likes

[07:00:09]

ola__:

sphery: :)

[07:00:37]

ola__:

bascially i'm super surprised that tivo has this crazy notion of charging for "service"

[07:00:46]

ola__:

(well, it's not crazy)

[07:00:59]

ola__:

but i'm surprised no one has made a simple Guide hack

[07:01:06]

ola__:

so that i can pick shows and DVR them

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sphery:

yeah--guess their new notion is making money by suing Dish and soon the cable co's

[07:01:24]

sphery:

since everyone else has DVR's, now

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ola__:

technically, a curated XML file is all they're proxifding

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ola__:

expired Tivos sell for super cheap

[07:02:24]

ola__:

so if someone can just figure out a way to pick shows without having to enter explicit times

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ola__:

it would work perfectl

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sphery:

well, that curated XML costs a fortune

[07:03:02]

ola__:

how does mythtv do it?

[07:03:30]

sphery:

granted, from Schedules Direct we get the exact same data for only $20/year (per year that is, not per month--less than $0.06/day), but the data itself isn't cheap until you spread it out over a lot of users

[07:03:40]

sphery:

http://schedulesdirect.org/

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sphery:

they have a free 7-day trial and quarterly or yearly subscriptions

[07:04:10]

sphery:

and it's the best $20/yr I've ever spent

[07:04:17]

ola__:

so mythtv gets it and spreads it out for free to users?

[07:04:24]

mchou:

lol

[07:04:29]

sphery:

spreads it out for $20/year to users

[07:04:31]

mchou:

read what he wrote

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mchou:

some folks are just so task oriented

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mchou:

"freelistings!"

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ola__:

mchou: sorry i'm being a n00b

[07:05:40]

mchou:

ola__: you are allowed to be a noob

[07:05:59]

mchou:

but you should at least read the response

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sphery:

But, the data is well worth $20/yr. Compared to the amount of time that we used to spend just updating the HTML scrapers that we used to use for XMLTV, $20/yr is cheap

[07:06:44]

sphery:

and that's just the time it took users to update on every web site change

[07:06:53]

ola__:

i did. sphery used the phrase "until you spread it", i wasn't sure if he meant mythtv or scheduledirect

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sphery:

when you factor in the programmer time for fixing the scripts every time you change it

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sphery:

I meant that Schedules Direct is paying $FORTUNE for the listings, but then when you take $FORTUNE/NUM_OF_SD_SUBSCRIBERS , you get $20/yr

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sphery:

and Myth users must subscribe to SD individually

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** mchou oines for the days back when we actually did get free listings **

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mchou:

pines*

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sphery:

I would /never/ go back to "

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Dagmar:

I'm not missing having to dork with the grabber to make it work again

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sphery:

free" listings

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sphery:

where "Free" cost a fortune in my time

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sphery:

/and/ caused me to miss a lot of shows when the website changed and I wasn't around to notice/update

[07:09:02]

mchou:

sphery: what are to talking about? labs.zap2it.com

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mchou:

same stuff as schedules direct, just free

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sphery:

oh, I thought you meant the tv_grab_na before the DD stuff

[07:09:40]

sphery:

I think we're actually better off now that we're paying--when things break they actually fix it

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sphery:

we went for some 11+ days without updates a couple of times in that labs.zap2it.com period

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** ola__ wonders how tv.yahoo.com works **

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sphery:

just because they couldn't make us a priority

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mchou:

labs only broke on me once, and they were prompt about fixing

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mchou:

only once*

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sphery:

well, they were down across the board a couple of times

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ola__:

hmm, zap2it and tv.yahoo are near identical

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sphery:

you may not have noticed, though--if you didn't look out far enough in listings during the time

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sphery:

ola__: yeah, yahoo is likely paying for the listings from TMS (which is where SD gets them and the company that owns zap2it)

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mchou:

sphery: it didnt matter as long as I had accurate listings

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sphery:

ola__: but note that scraping their website will be a violation of the terms of service

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mchou:

sphery: labs never had an outtage that was longer than 2 weeks

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** ola__ is just sad right now about all the perfectly good TiVos in the world that are useless because of the lack of a single XML file **

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sphery:

mchou: right--but a couple that were /almost/ 2 weeks

[07:13:44]

mchou:

anyways, labs was a good thing

[07:14:02]

mchou:

some dorks had to go upset the apple cart

[07:14:53]

mchou:

now $20/yr as cheap as it is, is more of a nuisance than anything else

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sphery:

I disagree--it was doomed to die from the day it was dreamed up just because it was provided by a for-profit company but without any financial support

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ola__:

sphery: i take it you run schedulesdirect

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** mchou waits for the day when GEM/TVGuide starts enforcing their patents **

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sphery:

but $20/yr makes it legit and is cheap enough I don't mind

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sphery:

ola__: yeah... I love SD--the data quality is wonderful.

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sphery:

which patents would that be

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mchou:

no grid EPG display

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mchou:

you have one, you pay royalties

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mchou:

applies to myth too, if I'm not mistaken

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sphery:

because they were the first company to think of presenting a schedule in a table format?

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mchou:

sphery: no, cause they were the first to patent it

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sphery:

patents are for inventions... that's not an inventions.

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mchou:

table formats have been around for ages :)

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sid3windr:

ahh, but then the patent can be invalidated... if there's prior art ;)

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sphery:

not to say it's not patented--just that it's stupid if it was allowed to be patented

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sid3windr:

sphery: lol

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ola__:

fine, i wont have a grig

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ola__:

grid

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sid3windr:

was it cozy under that rock? :>

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ola__:

i'll have *rounded corners*

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ola__:

"TV Schedule with Rounded Corners", USPTO #212342312

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mchou:

sphery: you should look through the history of GEM. Ruthless when it comes to enforcing their patents

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sphery:

yeah, I don't doubt it

[07:24:09]

sphery:

most companies with patents and money are

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mchou:

http://www.mckoolsmith.com/assets/attachments/16.pdf

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mchou:

search for "gemstar"

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sphery:

if there's an actual patent or patent description in there, I won't touch it.

[07:27:00]

mchou:

nope

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mchou:

one liner

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sphery:

I don't knowingly violate any patents--and a large part of that is making sure I never read any

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sphery:

not that I"m attempting to violate them--just don't have time to become my own patent attorney

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mchou:

not knowing is not an excuse

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sphery:

no, but not knowing means I don't have to try to find a way to not violate a patent

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mchou:

that's fine

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sphery:

if any patent holder tells me I'm in violation of their patent, I'm happy to change my code

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mchou:

by myth is most likely violating gemstar patents

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sphery:

but, I'm not going to spend my life trying to weave my way around all those useless/bogus/stupid patens

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mchou:

at least the epg

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sphery:

when I get notification from a patent holder, I'll make sure that Myth is fixed

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mchou:

ha!

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sphery:

until then, I'm clinging to the "patents aren't valid unless they're aggressively enforced" rule

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sphery:

and the YANAL assumption

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mchou:

that article I linked shows gemstar is being aggressive in enforcement

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sphery:

(which may be not be the case, but is what I"m assuming)

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sphery:

when they're aggressive enough to approach us...

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mchou:

I have no doubt that they will

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mchou:

it's just a matter of time

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sphery:

and when the time comes, I'll ensure it's fixed

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sphery:

a lot of users want the single-channel columnar EPG's, anyway

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sphery:

or "vertical epg" or whatever it is

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mchou:

hah

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sphery:

and, one of the mythui goals is to completely change the EPG so it's 100% themer designed

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sphery:

meaning each theme could do it differently--and we wouldn't be stuck with a grid

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mchou:

that still is in the four corners of the gemstar patent

[07:35:20]

mchou:

http://www.cedmagazine.com/gemstar-echostar-settle-up.aspx

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mchou:

if it were so easy other companies would have come up with it instead paying the highwayman

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sphery:

so basically they own a patent on displaying program guide information?

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mchou:

well, let me put it this way

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mchou:

they own a piece of every STB ever manufactured

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mchou:

that has a guide

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sid3windr:

I wonder if my cale co is paying them :p

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mchou:

nobody has been able to escape so far

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sid3windr:

*cable

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Dagmar:

Interesting.

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mchou:

sid3windr: probably

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mchou:

sid3windr: and STB manufacturers

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mchou:

motorola, Sci ATL, etc

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sid3windr:

cableco is using ADB STB

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Dagmar:

Well, I guess I can't trust Microsoft anymore

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Dagmar:

Freakin' ssdpsrv is sitting here phoning out to random places on the 'net over port 50443

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justinh:

ugh that was 'fun'. Found my Sansa Fuze bricked this morning, so set out to fix it. Tricky little bastard to get back together

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Dibblah:

No jtag?

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justinh:

it was only a battery related thing

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justinh:

gave it a jump start :)

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Dibblah:

"press and hold the select button with your thumb as though you are using it with your LEFT HAND!"

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Dibblah:

Heh. That whole page sounds _painful_.

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Dibblah:

http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22253

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justinh:

when I've got it in the car it's hooked up to my stereo via the USB connection. When the USB is disconnected it stays powered on

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justinh:

yeah I dunno who writes the instructions on there but I'm guessing they're not all there

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justinh:

think I might save my music player & just use USB sticks from now on in the car

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justinh:

taking those screwless enclosures apart is a frickin nightmare

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mycosys:

anybody know the peak bandwidth of a DVB-T transport stream?

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justinh:

somewhere about 36Mbits/sec IIRC

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mycosys:

no prob with 3 on a single USB host then :)

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justinh:

but it depends on the transmission mode & RF bandwidth

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justinh:

AUS uses 7MHz channels, so it could be less than 36Mbits/sec

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mycosys:

meh – 36*3 = 108, a LONG way from 480

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justinh:

480 is only theoretical

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mycosys:

yep, but it is 4 times what i need, plenty of protocol and error headroom, and room for negotiations etc

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justinh:

actually the max bitrate is 32Mbit/sec apparently, and that's based on an 8Mhz channel at 64QAM

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justinh:

should be fine

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justinh:

god, my head hurts after fixing that fuze

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mycosys:

having dib0700 issues, gonna put all my tuners on the via card i think

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justinh:

hmmm. the more I see of concept-wide the more I likes it :)

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mycosys:

grrr – why would my machine be using 2 tuners for 1 channel?????????????

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Hiisty:

other is recording and other one is watching?

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mycosys:

nup, both recording sequential shows – normally it has the naus to use 1 for that

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justinh:

hard padding?

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justinh:

or more likely soft padding – i.e. you manually selected shows to start recording early / end recording late

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mycosys:

doesnt make sense why it woudl not use 1 tuner :S

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mycosys:

which paddin is set where?

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mycosys:

and has that changed since @ 20847 lol

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mycosys:

(will be building 0.22 as soon as it I finish Finals for the year)

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grrr aunting inkscrape with its inconsistent size rounding issues

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oobe:

trac is down more than it is up

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sid3windr:

are we there yet?

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oobe:

just a little further

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justinh:

whee one new animated egg timer icon :)

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oobe:

justinh, you made an animated egg timer?

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xaxes:

hey there.. whats the easiest and fastes way to remove temporary cached videos from mythtv? exist there a script or something like that?

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GreyFoxx:

what cached videos?

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justinh:

oobe: icon :)

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justinh:

making animated icons again

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xaxes:

GreyFoxx: videos Id seen without "recording" them.. they stay on my hdd till mythtv needs more space

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xaxes:

Or am I wrong?

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GreyFoxx:

You mean LiveTV ?

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xaxes:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

Those are automatically removed after 24 hours

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GreyFoxx:

and If myth needs space before then it will remove them sooner

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ExElNeT:

where can i change the folder where icons get stored?

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xaxes:

okay, thanks :)

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ExElNeT:

sql would be fine ^^

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xaxes:

GreyFoxx: anyway to "clean up" it earlier?

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GreyFoxx:

ExElNeT: Channel icons? I think it was in mythtv-setup last I looked for it

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GreyFoxx:

but it's been a while since I looked for it

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GreyFoxx:

xaxes: only manual removal of files and deletion of all sql entries referring to it

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xaxes:

okay, thanks GreyFoxx :)

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xaxes:

bye

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ExElNeT:

GreyFoxx: havent found it there...

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ExElNeT:

omg each channel with an icon has an absolute link to channelicons dir... this sucks

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justinh:

yeah people were too busy making mythvideo have storage groups for silly fan art :P

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_abbenormal:

its all about eye candy justinh

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justinh:

sadly, yes it is

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_abbenormal:

i just want it to work and be simple

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justinh:

works fine here :)

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_abbenormal:

im not that lucky yet

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justinh:

luck doesn't come into it

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_abbenormal:

but i dont give up easy

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justinh:

that's the problem most people have

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_abbenormal:

i dont but ive been around a long time and hope to be around longer so if it dont work start over fresh and try again

[14:04:45]

_abbenormal:

that i know how to do very well

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_abbenormal:

nice side to that is i know more ways to screwup myth than i know how to fix it so i just format and reload then start all over

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justinh:

changing hostnames on a whim seems to do a good job of it

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justinh:

so does going into the db & directly mangling stuff

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_abbenormal:

oh ya dont that one also mysql can be fun

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_abbenormal:

dont = done

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_abbenormal:

my issues have all been in playback and its because i dont understand some of it yet thats where the luck comes in try something and see if it works better or worse

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justinh:

ahh using underpowered hardware. roger

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justinh:

and/or inferior video hardware

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_abbenormal:

well im following the guide lines of what ive seen out here so shouldnt have

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_abbenormal:

that maybe but didnt think it was

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justinh:

speaking of things that aren't a good idea... I have to send a unit which has been vibration tested to UL approval

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_abbenormal:

nice

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justinh:

so it'll already be nigh on goosed

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ExElNeT:

is it possible to change the chmod/chown settings which are used to store the downloaded coverarts?

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mag0o:

vibration tested? heh...

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justinh:

ExElNeT: only mythbackend need have permission to read/write them

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justinh:

i.e.the user mythbackend runs as

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justinh:

no need to change anything

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ExElNeT:

justinh: and what about mythweb?=

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justinh:

mythweb won't work with storage groups

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ExElNeT:

ok... ;/

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ExElNeT:

hmm i activated the mythvideo "save last position" feature. how does this work? shouldnt this point to the last watched video? im using the overview mode

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justinh:

no it saves a 'bookmark' in otherwords it keeps the point in each video where you stopped it

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justinh:

it doesn't remember which video you watched last

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justinh:

that would be silly

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ExElNeT:

thats not silly. it makes perfectly sense when watching series

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justinh:

perfectly sense huh

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GreyFoxx:

There was a setting which would remember where you were in the directories when you exited mythvideo

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GreyFoxx:

but that doesn't function anymore

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GreyFoxx:

I found it very handy myself

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justinh:

how long ago was that?

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GreyFoxx:

It stopped when mythvideo was converted to mythui

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GreyFoxx:

stopped working

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GreyFoxx:

I used it for years

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justinh:

wonder how hard it'd be to fix it

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GreyFoxx:

If it was fixed I would certainly use it again. I just haven't been motivated enough to look at it :)

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yfaykya:

iamlindoro: ping

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ExElNeT:

well about 7 years ago... i wrote my own video manager just for this feature... i wonder why i didnt patch mythtv... hmm stupid

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: was it broken or just that somebody forgot to put it in again?

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DjMadness:

anyone here using yousee (denmark) and knows where i should put the network number for dvb-c ?

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: All I know is it just stopped functioning after the switchover. not sure why

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justinh:

gah our products & their aunting useless unlock codes

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GreyFoxx:

the setting was still in the menus but it might have been removed by iamlindoro

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justinh:

we need to unlock a frickin unit before it'll do *anything* :-\

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janneg:

DjMadness: hopefully you don't have to if you use 0.22rc2

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janneg:

for 0.21* you have to patch the source

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DjMadness:

janneg: i am using 0.21 :S

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justinh:

DjMadness: good excuse to upgrade then isn't it

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justinh:

:S

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DjMadness:

justinh: true, but even with dvbscan the channels are encrypted (should not be if i supply network number), just dont know where lol

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ExElNeT:

GreyFoxx: my videomanager had this functionality in a recursive manner... it saved the last position for each folder. the was extremely usefull for me since im watching quite a lot of anime with many eps. the feature helped me to keep track of my watching progress

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justinh:

I'd better leave

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janneg:

DjMadness: either they transmit bogus service information or they are lying. I don't see how the correct network id could magically decrypt the channels

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janneg:

dvbscan should generate a correct channels.conf

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DjMadness:

ye, working on it... they might be sending multiple signals... where some might be scrambled.

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DjMadness:

doing a long scan... hopefully it will have some more "fruit"

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ExElNeT:

i added a feature request... :=)

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DjMadness:

janneg: would 0.22_rc22588 be good enough ? (only one portage has)

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wagnerrp:

good enough for what?

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DjMadness:

wagnerrp: selecting a networks id for dvb-c (some cable compony's require it)

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wagnerrp:

0.21 should be good enough for that

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wagnerrp:

there havent been any significant changes in dvb-c for a long time

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wagnerrp:

and the channel scanner hasnt changed much in the last couple months

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DjMadness:

was told not long ago "<janneg> DjMadness: hopefully you don't have to if you use 0.22rc2"

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wagnerrp:

because the scanner was rewritten almost from scratch between 0.21 and 0.22

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wagnerrp:

and you shouldnt be using 0.22rc1 if 0.22rc2 is already out

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall what revision rc2 was off hand, and trac search is disabled

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wagnerrp:

however you can easily bump up to the latest revision

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wagnerrp:

just change the rev number in the filename, and digest

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sphery:

r22660

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sphery:

(visible in Browse Source and then tags)

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Ryushin:

I have something weird going on with my backend. It's only occurring with my OTA HD recorders. It seems that after a few days, all recordings are empty. But if I go to live TV, I can switch all the channels through both tuners and they both work fine. They just stop recording after a few days. If I reboot the machine, it's fixed for a few more days. I'm running .22-fixes right now.

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no, not using xvmc... hardware is marginally good enough to manage without

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Dibblah:

wagnerrp: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/query?status=accep . . . der=priority

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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wagnerrp:

so not disabled, just hidden...

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Dibblah:

It's different functionality.

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Dibblah:

The main search box is a fulltext search over the entirety of Trac.

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wagnerrp:

ah

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Dibblah:

Which is... Fairly resource intensive.

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Dibblah:

Especially on a box with 2G RAM.

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wagnerrp:

s/box/shared VM/

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sphery:

wagnerrp: Impressive. I've got an Athlon XP 2400+ (2GHz) and assumed it wouldn't be able to handle it.

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sphery:

I know when it's busy with other things, it can slow down to taking about 2x real time to just commflag

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DjMadness:

sphery and wagnerrp thx, now compiling the correct version :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: this is with no deint and its actually a 2600 (lower speed, more cache)

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wagnerrp:

and my local stations are generally pretty poor bitrae

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wagnerrp:

best i see is maybe 14mbps

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sphery:

still surprising.

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sphery:

I may have to try it on mine someday

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wagnerrp:

turning xvmc on made no difference... i assume since it probably didnt work

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sphery:

heh, not too surprising with XvMC

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sphery:

(not a fan)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i just saw something far worse than any of your weather tickers

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sphery:

what's that?

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wagnerrp:

sorry, took me a bit to figure out how to re-encode it when the original clip was 30MB

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wagnerrp:

http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/bewildered_reporter.avi

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, that's funny

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stevieman:

how stable is the current .22 RC?

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clever:

wagnerrp: looks like they switched the feed by mistake:P

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gizmobay:

can you adjust the default fill per tuner card?

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wagnerrp:

default setting only

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wagnerrp:

you can bind a key to the aspect button... w?

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sphery:

stevieman: best answer is probably: YMMV

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stevieman:

YMMV?

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wagnerrp:

your mileage may vary

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stevieman:

ah

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stevieman:

I'm not one to jump on RC's but since I'm rebuilding my box I was curious

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu final has already switched, so...

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stevieman:

of course my last installed was using apt-get....

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stevieman:

I haven't had much luck with Mythbuntu in the past :( which is a great same because it was so easy

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stevieman:

shame that should read not same

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superm1:

you get a much better experience installing from live media than from apt-get

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wagnerrp:

'which is a great not same because it was so easy'?

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superm1:

in theory the same end results, but it works out more smoothly from live media

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stevieman:

is a great shame because it was so easy

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stevieman:

superm1: I'm starting to wonder about that right now

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stevieman:

getting everything going is taking forever

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superm1:

i can do a fully set up frontend install in about 15 min from a usb key, and 30 min (including configuration time) for a back/front...

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stevieman:

and I haven't gotten to the point of making the machines boot directly into myth yet

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elmojo:

iamlindoro, sphery: what do you guys use to manage your patches?

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wagnerrp:

trac

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: I've fixed a bunch of issues with Internal player's REW/FF, Frame-by-Frame seeking, etc

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sphery:

elmojo: quilt rocks — xpdf /usr/share/doc/quilt*/quilt.pdf

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elmojo:

sphery: ah, awesome – I'll give it a try

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sphery:

for theming, iamlindoro set up his own SVN repo

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dustybin:

thats a good idea

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elmojo:

sphery: do you use the Internal player for much?

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sphery:

for everything--but for me everything is recorded TV

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sphery:

(i.e. I don't really do MythVideo stuff)

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elmojo:

ok, cool

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sphery:

Don't do DVD's through Myth and my only source of non-TV video is DVD's.

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stevieman:

I was just reading about Mythbuntu and .22 and it states that PVR-150 blaster does not work. Does the receiver portion still work?

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sphery:

pretty sure it does, but I also think you can actually get the blaster to work using some of j-r od's patches for LIRC

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wagnerrp:

if it doesnt work, thats a LIRC/mythbuntu issue

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not internally use ir blasters

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sphery:

though I don't use either MythBuntu or PVR-150 (but I'm still pretty sure)

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wagnerrp:

but rather just provides points where you can call scripts to send commands to blasters

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brad3:

superm1: what do you use to get a frontend installed in 15 mins off a usb key? impressive! I would take me 2 days :>

[17:50:26]

stevieman:

ah I see, I've never gotten the blaster to work in the past so maybe they are just noting it now

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superm1:

brad3, usb-creator and the gold iso for mythbuntu 9.10

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elmojo:

sphery: what do you use for DVD playback... if you are willing to disclose :)

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sphery:

just a DVD player

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wagnerrp:

brad3: you just have a functional installed image on the flash drive, loaded up with enough kernel modules that it should work for nearly any system

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wagnerrp:

copy it over to the local disk, do some configuration based off the installed hardware, and youre done

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sphery:

after all, the MPAA, the DMCA, et. al. say it's illegal to do it otherwise.

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superm1:

which is what ubiquity (the ubuntu and mythbuntu installer) essentially does

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elmojo:

sphery: as many problems that I've had with a variety of players a stand alone is a great solution :)

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sphery:

(and I almost never watch my DVD's--I only really have the Stargate collection on DVD)

[17:52:18]

sphery:

and Red vs Blue, of course

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sphery:

wonder if it's even encrypted...

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sphery:

oh, and Firefly/Serenity

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brad3:

superm: thanks i will check it out!

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sphery:

and /that/ is my entire collection

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brad3:

wagnerr: when you say functional installed image, do you mean set it up manually to work, and then clonezilla (or similar software) it?

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wagnerrp:

i mean its a full install, on the flash drive, at which point 'installation' is merely a file copy

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wagnerrp:

(at least thats how i would do it, i dont know what mythbuntu does)

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brad3:

ahh i think i see

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brad3:

so basically treat it like i normally set it up, but install it to a usb key instead of the harddrive, and then when i want to run it out.. boot into some kind of safe mode, copy the files from the usb to the hard drive, and then grub it to make sure it boots properly?

[17:56:56]

wagnerrp:

and you need some script or GUI to run to pull up hostname, mysql settings, and such

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wagnerrp:

ive got something very similar to that at home

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brad3:

if you don't mind, could you send me your script? I would love to see it

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wagnerrp:

wouldnt do you any good

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wagnerrp:

ive got one boot image i use to keep things updated

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** sphery starts the long re-compile of myth to get a Qt4.4 build **

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wagnerrp:

when i want to update my machines, i delete their respective images, clone them off the master, and then pull additional config information off an NFS share

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sphery:

(had Qt4.5 built/ccache'ed)

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brad3:

hmmm

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brad3:

okay :)

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wagnerrp:

similar process, but i dont have local disks to dump to, its just 4GB disk images over iscsi

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wagnerrp:

network boot, rather than a separate USB stic

[18:02:36]

brad3:

your setup sounds very cool, one day i will get there :)

[18:03:29]

wagnerrp:

i wouldnt do it with linux, not until they get a native COW file system

[18:04:15]

wagnerrp:

carrying around several disk images is rather cumbersome if you actually have to use whole files

[18:04:35]

wagnerrp:

nfs and aufs ends up being a better approach

[18:04:49]

sphery:

cow?

[18:04:54]

wagnerrp:

copy-on-write

[18:04:58]

laga:

copy-o.. moooo

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sphery:

ahh

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sphery:

I was stuck on the moo concept

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wagnerrp:

i think btrfs is supposed to do that

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive seen mention of a hacked together COW fs using hard links in vserver

[18:09:51]

wagnerrp:

clever: but thats at the file level, not the block level

[18:10:04]

clever:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

so youre still hauling around complete multi-GB disk images

[18:10:11]

clever:

if you edit even 1 byte, you copy the entire file

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

yeah, your not sharing at the file level

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clever:

your sharing at the image level

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clever:

so as soon as you even mount it rw, the entire image gets cloned

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clever:

nfs+aufs does sound better

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clever:

and aufs would solve many of the hacks ive had to throw in

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sphery:

Hmmm... Logitech Harmony 880 for $149 – $30 with promo code EMCMMLT36 and free shipping (total $119) at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880111029

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wagnerrp:

could use an 890...

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justinh:

wouldn't wish a harmony on any of my neighbours let alone my household

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sphery:

if only it was designed to talk to a computer instead of to talk to an IR blaster

[18:13:07]

wagnerrp:

talk to an ir blaster?

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justinh:

if only they'd have a proper 'devices' option

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sphery:

yeah, it's an RF remote that sends a signal to an RF reciever that then sends IR signals to components

[18:14:34]

sphery:

I wan RF that goes direct to a receiver that sends a signal to my computer

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wagnerrp:

sphery: thats the 890, not 880

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sphery:

i.e. the IR is useless

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sphery:

what's that mean? the 880 is not the RF one?

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wagnerrp:

890 is the RF version of the 880

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wagnerrp:

they look identical otherwise

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wagnerrp:

but the 880 is IR only

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sphery:

ah, so, 880 is totally useless and 890 has useless IR

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sphery:

(and no direct to computer component)

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wagnerrp:

the IR blaster/RF base actually has a USB port

[18:18:17]

wagnerrp:

but i think thats for remote sync, rather than remote control

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clever:

and maybe firmware updates

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wagnerrp:

(remote sync)

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sphery:

yeah, unless they've added new functionality, they don't have any direct-to-computer signalling

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sphery:

so the 900 basically becomes the 890 + touch screen?

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justinh:

wish there was a hack to ditch the activity modes

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wagnerrp:

the 900 is the RF version of the 'one'?

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[n0b0dy]:

link?

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/remotes/uni . . . amp;cl=us,en ?

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wagnerrp:

justinh: you see the 'devices' button on the remote?

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AndyCap:

justinh: or you could get a normal stupid universal remote

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[n0b0dy]:

nice

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wagnerrp:

the whole point of the harmony is the 'activities' button

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wagnerrp:

if you dont use that, whats the point?

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wagnerrp:

just get that 'normal stupid universal remote'

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justinh:

wagnerrp: I mean proper devices buttons

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justinh:

uni remotes with enough buttons are rare

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sphery:

I actually want a stupid remote (i.e. all smarts in my Myth box)--I just want a stupid RF remote (and my ATI RW is that, but has signal/reception issues)

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** AndyCap hugs his gyration. **

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sphery:

I don't like the idea of flailing around to control my tv :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well then you have to hook ir blasters into all your other devices

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justinh:

if the activities stuff actually did what it was supposed to do *this* *week* as opposed to being frustratingly hit&miss AND slow..

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: *cough*rs232*cough*

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: if youre lucky

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justinh:

think I'll start looking for a proper 'stupid' remote again

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justinh:

hopefully JP1

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wagnerrp:

the only devices i have that support that is my sony DVD changer

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: or if you, as myth and linux users often advocate, plan ahead

[18:23:21]

wagnerrp:

and then its not rs232, its their crappy proprietary s-link

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clever:

wagnerrp: i think i just have that on my tv and STB

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dustybin:

we need jono bacon and crew in this channel :D

[18:23:31]

clever:

and havent gotten either to actualy work yet

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justinh:

dustybin: wtf?

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dustybin:

justinh: they are fun

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AndyCap:

dustybin: you'll do fine.

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justinh:

they are c*cks

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dustybin:

LOL

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wagnerrp:

no idea who they are

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: some posting about myth usability or something?

[18:24:37]

dustybin:

clever: am i right in thinking, that the closest you have come to a female is a .jpg ?

[18:24:51]

clever:

dustybin: no, your wrong:P

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[n0b0dy]:

TIF

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clever:

and i prefer .png :P

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dustybin:

heh

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AndyCap:

pcx!

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[n0b0dy]:

lossy vs lossless

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dustybin:

new issue of linux journal is out :D

[18:26:02]

[n0b0dy]:

so does mythtv support touchscreens & multitouch?

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justinh:

[n0b0dy]: no

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[n0b0dy]:

soon?

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[n0b0dy]:

:D

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justinh:

NO

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justinh:

not til we've got your patches

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devinheitmueller:

Hell, mythtv doesn't even really work with a mouse!

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[n0b0dy]:

roger that

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[n0b0dy]:

sweet

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[n0b0dy]:

lol

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justinh:

wth point is there in mythtv having multitouch anyway? for zooming into the EPG? turning the EPG upside down? ROFL

[18:27:14]

mag0o:

sphery: i have this one (aroun $20 iirc) and it's got a nice assortment of buttons http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/File:Urc6131nb00.jpg

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dustybin:

#7503 SELinux is preventing mythtv from launching

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wagnerrp:

touchscreen, i could understand... multitouch, no

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dustybin:

solution: dont use SELinux

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clever:

justinh: zooming in on the pron you recorded:P

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[n0b0dy]:

im interesting it using it as a touchscreen wall monitor for a linux server

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justinh:

[n0b0dy]: pick something else & move on :)

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive seen some faint signs it used to work with touch screens

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[n0b0dy]:

so is this a good dvr though?

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dustybin:

#5949 Cannot tune some DVB-Tchannels

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clever:

wagnerrp: i could click menu items and get the expected responce

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dustybin:

solution: use the same code what is in .21

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wagnerrp:

it works with touchscreens as well as it worked with a mouse

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clever:

wagnerrp: but since the mythui stuff, that has broken

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justinh:

#7601 MythTV is attracting the wrong kind of users :P

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AndyCap:

justinh: multitouch? so people don't have to fight over the remote, but can just zap back and forth so fast that nothing gets shown on the screen?

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wagnerrp:

the only use i could see for a touchscreen would be a small screen in the kitchen

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AndyCap:

moar smartfridges.

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clever:

wagnerrp: the only thing missing there, is some kind of on screen keyboard you can get in non-text interfaces

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clever:

wagnerrp: for dailing in channels on livetv and stuff

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wagnerrp:

that could be added as a UI widget without too much effort

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clever:

tap in a corner to bring it up, then tap away at the keys

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gbee:

heh, old project of mine needed some updates, but I can't find the backups containing the svn repo :( I have a working copy but the revision history is gone :/

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[n0b0dy]:

:|

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gbee:

lesson learnt, if you go to the trouble of making backups, archive them properly in a memorable location

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AndyCap:

gbee: time to switch to git or hg? :P

[18:33:19]

AndyCap:

gbee: or as someone mentioned in a discussion about version control. test the *

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AndyCap:

*restore* functionality..

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AndyCap:

lest one end up as the elbonians in dilbert "Writing is easy, one day we hope to learn how to read"

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gbee:

AndyCap: nah, that would mean learning a new system all over and git isn't the easiest one to deal with, really it's overkill considering there is just one person working on it and version management is useful but not essential

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AndyCap:

gbee: heh, if there's only one working on it I guess distributed vcs wouldn't get you any extra backups

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gbee:

well I've always kept the repo on a seperate disk to the working copy, but in the event of a fire etc, no, it wouldn't help

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gbee:

I did keep regular backups, archived to CDs, but I can't find them, at least not past 2006 and I stopped work in 2007

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AndyCap:

yeah, I'm trying to move away from removable media.

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wagnerrp:

depends on what you consider removable media

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wagnerrp:

ive been moving away from optical disks, but going to removable hard drives

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AndyCap:

floppies, cdroms, dvds, qic-80 tapes, anything I can backup to and forget about.

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gbee:

a few of the CDs I tried weren't readable anymore, so I've lost faith in them as a long term backup, haven't decided what I'll use instead, probably SD cards or USB flash drives

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clever:

ive had a dvd or 2 become unreadable

[18:39:44]

clever:

and some of the cheap mini-cd's go bad after just a year

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AndyCap:

I would still have to have a removable harddrive to keep them from intentional destruction though. :/

[18:39:54]

clever:

i can actualy see defects in the cd

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive lost a couple dozen CDs, and a handful of DVDs

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clever:

if i look at the reflection of light on the disk, i can see spots in the coating

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josh_:

I havent had a change to try it yet. Does anyone know if the ID3v2 coverart is accessable with mythmusic?

[18:41:15]

josh_:

clever, get you one of those disc sanding things

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sphery:

I thought CD's and DVD's had a 100-yr life expectancy... I read that on the box, so it must be true.

[18:41:24]

wagnerrp:

but then again, ive accidentally cracked the sata L connector off a hard drive

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clever:

josh_: na, its below the surface, a problem with the delicate coating on the top side

[18:41:57]

josh_:

clever, oh, the top side film is messed up. You're screwed then :)

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clever:

sphery: depends on the quality of the disk, the set i had is crappy

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wagnerrp:

still works just fine, if you can manage a proper connection with the free-hanging pins

[18:42:20]

clever:

josh_: its more between the top protection layer and the disk itself, the coating is crappy quality

[18:42:21]

josh_:

wagnerrp, need a bad sata drive to replace the connector on?

[18:42:36]

josh_:

Or mabye try soldering a cable directory to the PCB

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josh_:

s/directory/directly

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clever:

josh_: reminds me of when i replaced the entire PCB on a harddrive

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clever:

the controler board easily seperated from the drive itself

[18:43:21]

josh_:

clever, yeah, that's a neat trick, but you've got to find an /identical/ drive

[18:43:30]

clever:

yeah, it was virtual identical

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clever:

and it didnt have any effect

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AndyCap:

josh_: and have the right drive in the first place.

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clever:

the good drive (with the other board) still worked fine

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clever:

and the bad drive was still bad

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josh_:

AndyCap, ?

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clever:

josh_: the only thing id have to worry about, is how SMART may re-allocate blocks

[18:44:39]

clever:

does it store that in flash or the platter

[18:44:55]

josh_:

clever, not sure, I'd assume on the lash

[18:44:59]

AndyCap:

josh_: a drive that doesn't keep any critical information on the board

[18:45:05]

josh_:

AndyCap, will one of these work? http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=213& . . . 000491400402

[18:45:05]

josh_:

Create an Ad

[18:45:05]

josh_:

Facebook Ads

[18:45:05]

josh_:

Reach your audience with an ad on Facebook.

[18:45:05]

josh_:

LikeUnlike

[18:45:07]

josh_:

You like this.

[18:45:09]

clever:

josh_: in that case though, it didnt matter, pre-smart days

[18:45:09]

josh_:

XSearch Yourself

[18:45:11]

AndyCap:

O_o

[18:45:11]

josh_:

Who's been searching you? Run your name at mylife, find out now!

[18:45:13]

josh_:

LikeUnlike

[18:45:15]

josh_:

You like this.

[18:45:19]

josh_:

More Ads

[18:45:21]

josh_:

erp

[18:45:23]

josh_:

shoot

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AndyCap:

josh_: first time using X? :>

[18:45:33]

josh_:

stupid facebok and 'hidden' text

[18:46:11]

AndyCap:

hehe. moar ads.

[18:46:11]

josh_:

Anyway, that link should be valid.

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josh_:

BTW, I freaking *love* that PC case.

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clever:

josh_: whoa, lots of drives:)

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clever:

ummm, i dont see a mobo

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AndyCap:

josh_: hmm, yeongyang bb031 or something?

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AndyCap:

clever: other side

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josh_:

AndyCap, hmm, I looked it up one time, but can't remember who the manufacturer is

[18:47:39]

clever:

the best i can get, is 8 drives without using sata multiplyers

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AndyCap:

josh_: got one myself

[18:47:50]

clever:

and 4 of those would have to be very small (useless bios)

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superm1:

brad3, no script is necessary for this kind of stuff. that's some of what ubiquity does for mythbuntu

[18:48:11]

josh_:

AndyCap, the majority of those are IDE drives, grin

[18:48:25]

superm1:

grab a mythbuntu image and use usb-creator to write it to a key and then boot off the key and you'll understand better

[18:48:30]

AndyCap:

josh_: http://www.yeongyang.com/yy-0221.htm

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AndyCap:

josh_: and yes, it's very nice for the size. :)

[18:49:01]

josh_:

AndyCap, yep that's it

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josh_:

And4713, I dont like the placement of the access hole from one side to the other

[18:49:27]

josh_:

it's tucked behind the 5.25" cage

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AndyCap:

josh_: a couple of more holes would have been nice, and even with only sata its a little crowded with a full complement of drives

[18:50:02]

And4713:

what?

[18:50:11]

josh_:

And4713, sorry, t

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josh_:

m/t

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wagnerrp:

josh_: i only use it for backup, and its an old 300GB anyway

[18:50:39]

wagnerrp:

it works just fine in my vertical hot-swap dock

[18:50:46]

wagnerrp:

i just cant connect a proper cable to it

[18:51:01]

And4713:

I was like "access hole, ... huh" heheh

[18:51:01]

josh_:

AndyCap, that case was given to me, so I decided the best use for it was to find out how much storage I could get with as many spare drives I could find

[18:51:06]

josh_:

And4713, haha

[18:51:19]

AndyCap:

josh_: use it for my fileserver.

[18:51:52]

josh_:

AndyCap, that's what it turned into., it's also my LAMP server, mythtv backend, etc.

[18:52:38]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: i was considering getting that case a couple years ago

[18:52:56]

AndyCap:

"Steel chassis (Kobe Steel) t1.2mm" does this have the same reputation as Kobe Beef?

[18:52:59]

anykey_:

is someone else having troubles with the channel scanner? It doesn't find all channels it's supposed to here because it doesn't pick up all transports...

[18:53:14]

clever:

josh_: my mythbackend is network booting and only contains data storage and capture hardware

[18:53:17]

josh_:

wagnerrp, I had a spare even. Ended up throwing it out because I couldnt get rid of it

[18:53:34]

AndyCap:

ohno

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clever:

i got tired of having to reboot the main file server because of capture driver problems

[18:53:52]

wagnerrp:

josh_: i actually did swap boards on it...

[18:53:58]

josh_:

clever, ahh, gotcha

[18:54:06]

wagnerrp:

the board broke on a drive that i actually had data i wanted off of it

[18:54:10]

josh_:

wagnerrp, talking about having a spare case :)

[18:54:16]

josh_:

wagnerrp, *had* rather

[18:54:21]

clever:

josh_: now that its on its own box, i can shut it down with minimal side-effects

[18:54:26]

wagnerrp:

i had identical drives, so i flipped them

[18:54:43]

josh_:

clever, gotcha. Luclily I havent had a problem with system drivers, etc.

[18:55:04]

clever:

josh_: every dist-upgrade i did to ubuntu made the lirc support worse and worse

[18:55:13]

clever:

first i lost receiving

[18:55:17]

clever:

then blasting

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josh_:

clever, I don't like ubuntu's lirc implementation at all

[18:55:32]

clever:

so i had to hack together the old kernel and module with the new version of the distro

[18:55:47]

clever:

josh_: i cant even compile a svn checkout of lirc, it either fails or doesnt blast

[18:57:06]

Dagmar:

So haxor it into working already

[18:57:07]

Dagmar:

It's just C

[18:57:25]

clever:

in the 2nd case, the led blinks but nothing registers

[18:57:36]

clever:

so id need to get out the oscope and figure out whats wrong with the wave form

[18:57:45]

clever:

and last time i tried that, i had too much 60hz to see anything

[18:58:04]

Dagmar:

*sigh*

[18:58:21]

Dagmar:

Mainly you just need a second serial port and a reciverd

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Dagmar:

s/

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clever:

the receiver is part of the pvr150

[18:58:38]

Dagmar:

s/reciverd/reciver/;

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clever:

and lirc_i2c began causing kernel OOP's after a dist-upgrade

[18:59:13]

clever:

and the pvr150 is in the closet now, so receiving would be useless

[18:59:17]

clever:

no point in fixing it

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josh_:

clever, that's something I've been putting off, I need to rearrange my closet

[19:00:03]

josh_:

got cables and STB's and 24 port switches and UPS's everywhere

[19:00:08]

clever:

lol

[19:00:16]

clever:

mine only has a desktop and an stb

[19:00:20]

Dagmar:

So go ahead and deal with the complexity of an oscilliscope, or continue to fail.

[19:00:21]

josh_:

Just a second

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clever:

the UPS's and switches are in the furnace room

[19:00:47]

clever:

Dagmar: i have an old kernel and .ko module (that i compiled) which can still serialy blast

[19:00:56]

clever:

they work, so i'm just going to avoid upgrading

[19:02:35]

clever:

stop messing with it and it will keep working!

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josh_:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=193& . . . l=eb13508567

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josh_:

clever, ^^

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clever:

lol

[19:07:03]

clever:

mines a bit more tidy then that

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josh_:

Yeah, I know it's horrible, every time I add something I have to rearrange the whole mess

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clever:

cant find the images

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** sphery just failed another CAPTCHA trying to sign up for Qt's bug database **

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Makere:

why is bug reporting made so hard

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Makere:

I tried submitting a bug today but launchpad was too confusing so I gave up

[19:12:57]

Makere:

why couldn't it just have "report bug" button

[19:12:58]

Makere:

ffs

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laga:

because there's about a gazillion projects in there a nd a few distros as well

[19:13:48]

laga:

try reporting a bug against ffmpeg in their bugtracker...

[19:13:49]

Dagmar:

Perhaps next time you'll get an grown-up to help you.

[19:13:56]

Dagmar:

s/an/a/;

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justinh:

arghh bloody inkscape & its silly features

[19:14:53]

justinh:

seems it doesn't support all the fonts on my machine :-\

[19:14:59]

Dagmar:

...because if there were a simple "report bug" button, it would quickly be pounded into uselessness by people too lazy to think about whether they're reporting an actual bug, of whether or not they're just complete idiots

[19:15:19]

Dagmar:

justinh: You grabbed the latest version?

[19:15:48]

devinheitmueller:

Have the channel switched to "bitch about random apps" mode? If so, then great, because I tried Dia last night to build a simple flowchart and found it had fewer symbols to choose from than Visio did in 1994.

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Dagmar:

justinh: Before 0.47 pre3 I was having serious issues with it not allowing me to select well, _any_ fonts properly

[19:16:15]

devinheitmueller:

;-)

[19:16:28]

Dagmar:

devinheitmueller: When was the last time someone used dia for something important?

[19:16:54]

devinheitmueller:

Dagmar: I'm all ears for alternatives to use when trying to do a basic flowchart under Linux.

[19:17:11]

Dagmar:

For a flowchart...

[19:17:14]

devinheitmueller:

I tried OpenOffice Draw, and it was even worse than Dia.

[19:17:19]

Dagmar:

Is it that hard to make 10–12 custom symbols on your own?

[19:17:43]

devinheitmueller:

Sure, I can make my own symbols, but my goal is to make a flowchart, not to contribute symbols to Dia.

[19:17:58]

devinheitmueller:

I wasn't looking for obscure custom symbols.

[19:18:03]

Dagmar:

Yeah, so fuck spending five minutes drawing circles and squares then

[19:18:44]

devinheitmueller:

Oh, as far as I know, Dia doesn't let you create symbols within the application itself.

[19:18:57]

Dagmar:

Then screw it and use Inkscape.

[19:19:22]

dustybin:

Adobe Illustrator ftw :D

[19:19:37]

justinh:

!trout dustybin

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** MythLogBot slaps dustybin with a trout on behalf of justinh... **

[19:19:46]

devinheitmueller:

Hey, Visio works great under Windows for the task at hand. Hell, it did the job great in 1994.

[19:20:05]

justinh:

Dagmar: trying to get the windows version now. 0.46 has that font selection problem

[19:20:08]

devinheitmueller:

Anyway, I'll quit bitching now.

[19:20:12]

mag0o:

gliffy.com – yay for google search

[19:20:27]

Dagmar:

justinh: Yeah pre4 seems to work okay

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justinh:

what's the new preoccupation with 7zip?

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gbee:

it's super-dooper compression?

[19:21:55]

gbee:

with fast decompress

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sphery:

xz ft(non-Windows)w

[19:22:31]

gbee:

but extra slow compression – thus useful for distribution but not day to day compression

[19:22:35]

Dagmar:

It works on Win32 without doing a lot of stupid shit or nagging you about a licence, etc etc

[19:22:35]

sphery:

http://tukaani.org/xz/

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sphery:

it's the same algorithm that 7z uses, but designed/implemented for *nix

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sphery:

(and without all the Windows UI stuff)

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Dagmar:

More correct to say it shares an algorithm with it, I think

[19:23:20]

gbee:

sphery: yeah, one of the distros is switching to it for their packages

[19:23:27]

sphery:

justinh: see http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/DatabaseB . . . ression.html for some time comparisons when used on a MythTV backup

[19:23:58]

sphery:

yeah, Red Hat's using it--they've got more tons of CPU and tons of users downloading, so it works much better

[19:24:33]

sphery:

basically, for the same backup, 14s for gzip, 2m1s for bzip2, and 8m59s for xz

[19:24:33]

Dagmar:

THe more important consideration is "how many times will this be transmitted, compressed"

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sphery:

yeah, but they compress their packages once, then they're downloaded by a ton of people

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Dagmar:

For your own backups, compressing with slow compression just to _maybe_ uncompress it later without really ssending it anywhere doesn't make sense. You're right

[19:25:11]

sphery:

agreed

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sphery:

drive space is cheap enough that it's irrelevant space savings for me

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blendmaster1024:

hello all, i'm trying to use mythtv but it keeps giving me "can't log into database", i'm on opensuse 11 and the mysql server is on locahost and the default port, and the user name and password are both mysql.

[19:26:17]

blendmaster1024:

everything looks to me like the defaults should agree but it won't connect.

[19:26:18]

sphery:

(whether it's myth db backups or even the couple of gigs of source code packages I have

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Dagmar:

blendmaster1024: Connect to from where

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blendmaster1024:

localhost

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blendmaster1024:

everything is on the same machine

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sphery:

blendmaster1024: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html likely has info you need (especially 6.2)

[19:27:30]

sphery:

blendmaster1024: but could be anything from disabled network binding on MySQL to the password issue mentioned in 6.2

[19:27:33]

justinh:

nope, even 0.47 is putting serifs on gill sans

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Die_Hard_Linux:

Hi

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Die_Hard_Linux:

I was looking for help with my tv card

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gbee:

justinh: change the fonts through the menu, not the edit bar thingy

[19:28:41]

Die_Hard_Linux:

I have a Kworld SAA7133

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Dagmar:

Not sure if it's actually using gill sans if it's showing you serifs

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Die_Hard_Linux:

How would I get this to work with mythtv

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Dagmar:

Die_Hard_Linux: You start by looking for documentation, generally

[19:29:45]

Die_Hard_Linux:

gee thanks dag

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Dagmar:

Things like going to google and typing in 'kworld', 'saa7133', and 'linux driver' make for a good start.

[19:30:05]

Die_Hard_Linux:

well if i thought that woulda helped i would not have cam ehere

[19:30:37]

Dagmar:

Well, I'm saying it'll help because it always helps.

[19:31:29]

justinh:

gbee: seems ok now. hrmpg

[19:31:33]

mag0o:

on the wiki, kworld or saa7133

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mag0o:

both turn up useful results

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blendmaster1024:

where is mc.sql in opensuse? any idea?

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Die_Hard_Linux:

according to lspci | grep Multimedia

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Die_Hard_Linux:

05:02.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7131/SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 10)

[19:33:32]

Dagmar:

According to ddate, today is Setting Orange, the 18th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3175

[19:37:17]

sphery:

OK, gotta say that Nokia did at least one good thing for Qt--they've improved the bug tracker significantly.

[19:37:47]

Dagmar:

sphery: Yes, but that I think fails to make up for the fact that the source package is now excessively ginormous

[19:37:56]

sphery:

You can now make comments /after/ initial submission.

[19:38:25]

sphery:

hey, the way I see it is that's 121MB of compressed code that I don't have to write. :)

[19:38:43]

Dagmar:

It turns into an over seven hundred megabyte installation

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sphery:

wow

[19:38:52]

Dagmar:

Not even glibc is that gigantic

[19:39:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

[ot] Anyone got the Verizon Droid (Google Android phone) yet and tried it with mythweb? ;-)

[19:41:25]

sphery:

Dagmar: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1659896

[19:41:55]

Dagmar:

Yep

[19:42:01]

sphery:

My Qt installs are completely independent of anything else, so that's just Qt

[19:42:16]

Dagmar:

When I built it the first time a few days ago, I thought something was wrong with my build script

[19:42:18]

sphery:

I did install all the examples and stuff--but not the dev kit

[19:42:39]

Dagmar:

I've found a way to get it much smaller

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blendmaster1024:

okey-dokey, it's logging into the database, but now what!? where to next???

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justinh:

wheee! spin my pretty icons. spin! :)

[19:43:16]

Dagmar:

blendmaster1024: Now you paintstakingly enter all the information about your comic books and spaghetti recipes

[19:43:26]

blendmaster1024:

Dagmar: ....

[19:43:40]

Dagmar:

Like anyone here has a clue what you're talking about, man.

[19:43:58]

Dagmar:

If you're gone for more than five minutes, you have to provide context

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sphery:

blendmaster1024: now setup... that would be step 7, then 8, then 9, then ... of the HOWTO

[19:44:53]

Dagmar:

There's like a million apps people have written for storing information about comic books and recipes into mysql. I'm just guessin' here

[19:45:28]

Dagmar:

...and you know, wondering why there's so many apps for keeping track of comic books.

[19:46:16]

Essobi:

http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2009/11/ . . . -the-way.ars

[19:46:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

"There's an app for that!" hehehe

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Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: I'm sooo sure there's one for iPhones

[19:47:05]

Dagmar:

Partly because i know who wrote one, and it was one of the first apps to use the barcode indentifier lib

[19:47:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: no doubt!

[19:47:22]

Dagmar:

You point it at the comic's UPC code and it just figures it out

[19:47:35]

Dagmar:

It would do the same for vinyls, but only seldom do the damn things have one

[19:51:07]

Parallx:

I just entered bad metadata on a film, and i don't know how to change it

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mag0o:

i > metadata > reset metadata

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Parallx:

thanks

[19:56:31]

Die_Hard_Linux:

...

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wagnerrp:

Die_Hard_Linux: mythtv does not support your card, mythtv supports the DVB api

[20:02:03]

wagnerrp:

you *can* search on the wiki, but your best option would be to go to the people who actually write the drivers

[20:02:09]

wagnerrp:

linuxtv.org, #linuxtv

[20:02:27]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: what are you talking about? MythtTV supports the V4L API as well (for cards like saa7133)

[20:03:10]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: he didnt say analog, so im assuming he wanted help with digital

[20:03:18]

wagnerrp:

but either way... its the same website/channel

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blendmaster1024:

i can't find any channels because it's only using the old analog system – how do i make it use the digital tv system instead??

[20:03:57]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Yes, I understand it's the same channel. I'm questioning your assertion that MythTV doesn't support the saa7133 because it "supports the DVB API"

[20:04:25]

wagnerrp:

ok.... mythtv does not support your card, mythtv supports the DVB and V4L apis

[20:04:49]

devinheitmueller:

(also, it's worth mentioning that the saa7133 can operate in digital or analog mode, depending on the product)

[20:04:50]

wagnerrp:

blendmaster1024: if you have a hybrid or dual tuner, your card should show up as two separate cards in mythtv

[20:04:56]

Dagmar:

devinheitmueller: Does your car support Michelin?

[20:05:17]

Die_Hard_Linux:

idk i wasnt able to configure it

[20:05:47]

Dagmar:

Die_Hard_Linux: without any specific details, you'll pardon if we interpret that as "i coudn't be bothered to try to configure it myself"

[20:06:08]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: Oh, you're suggesting that MythTV doesn't support cards in particular, but rather that it supports the API (and expects cards to conform to the API). That's generally true, but not particularly helpful to the user just trying to make his setup work.

[20:06:46]

wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller: sure, but directing him to the linuxtv website, where they will describe the kernel modules needed to make his card work, will

[20:07:01]

blendmaster1024:

argh....... so, anybody know how to do digital??

[20:07:34]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: I agree that's generally a good place to start, assuming he hasn't already verified his card outside of MythTV but was having trouble getting it to work with mythtv.

[20:07:52]

Die_Hard_Linux:

si

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blendmaster1024:

......???

[20:10:10]

Die_Hard_Linux:

short for yes

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devinheitmueller:

I'm just saying that the statement "mythtv does not support your card" could be misleading if he/she was unable to distinguish between supporting a particular card versus supporting all cards that conform to an API.

[20:11:12]

blendmaster1024:

wagnerrp: but it doesn't

[20:11:19]

wagnerrp:

blendmaster1024, and Die_Hard_Linux (if you already have your card working in linux): if set up properly, your card should show up under /dev/dvb/adaptor<n>

[20:11:58]

Die_Hard_Linux:

video0 and video1 ?

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blendmaster1024:

i only see one there

[20:12:09]

blendmaster1024:

adapter0

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wagnerrp:

once you get to that point, go into mythtv-setup, and add a new DVB card (second item), add a source to match it (third item), bind the source to the digital tuner (fourth item) and do a channel scan

[20:12:36]

wagnerrp:

video0 and video1 are the old analog V4L interface

[20:12:55]

blendmaster1024:

dvr0?

[20:13:00]

blendmaster1024:

frontend0?

[20:13:19]

blendmaster1024:

or net0 or demux0. which one is the tuner interface?

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wagnerrp:

you dont need the path, just hit up/down to cycle through what mythtv has autodetected

[20:13:30]

devinheitmueller:

Die_Hard_Linux: exactly what model card do you have?

[20:13:31]

wagnerrp:

if that folder exists, mythtv will know how to use it

[20:13:52]

blendmaster1024:

ok, whatever

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wagnerrp:

blendmaster1024: also, mythtv cannot find channels using analog because you are not supposed to scan analog

[20:14:35]

wagnerrp:

you are supposed to get a channel lineup from your listings provider

[20:14:50]

Die_Hard_Linux:

Philips Semiconductors SAA7131/SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 10) ?

[20:15:05]

wagnerrp:

Die_Hard_Linux: we dont care what chipset, specifically what card?

[20:15:16]

wagnerrp:

the model name

[20:15:22]

Die_Hard_Linux:

it is a Kworld card I believe

[20:15:32]

wagnerrp:

110? 115? 120?

[20:15:38]

Die_Hard_Linux:

I honestly dont remember the model number

[20:15:43]

wagnerrp:

some older non-digital card?

[20:16:08]

Die_Hard_Linux:

it has a composite input

[20:16:10]

devinheitmueller:

Die_Hard_Linux: come back when you have figured out the model number. You might have to pull the card out of the machine.

[20:16:25]

mag0o:

Die_Hard_Linux: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Compro_VideoMate_TV_Gold_Plus matches the rev and chipset (mostly)

[20:16:26]

devinheitmueller:

Die_Hard_Linux: if you cannot tell us the model number, we cannot really help you.

[20:16:47]

devinheitmueller:

mag0o: there are a variety of kworld cards that have the saa7133, so we need to know exactly which one it is.

[20:16:50]

mag0o:

lspci -v would help more

[20:17:03]

mag0o:

maybe even mention the name

[20:17:22]

devinheitmueller:

mag0o: lspci -v won't help in this case (and he already provided the lspci output). It will just say that it's a saa7133 card.

[20:17:43]

Die_Hard_Linux:

Philips Semiconductors SAA7131/SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 10)

[20:17:44]

Die_Hard_Linux:

Subsystem: Philips Semiconductors Device 0000

[20:17:44]

Die_Hard_Linux:

Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 23

[20:17:44]

Die_Hard_Linux:

Memory at febff800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=2K]

[20:17:44]

Die_Hard_Linux:

Capabilities: <access denied>

[20:17:44]

mag0o:

the -v on my compro card (that link) tells me the model/mfg

[20:17:44]

Die_Hard_Linux:

Kernel driver in use: saa7134

[20:17:46]

Die_Hard_Linux:

Kernel modules: saa7134

[20:17:53]

wagnerrp:

and there goes the paste....

[20:17:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

ouch

[20:18:08]

wagnerrp:

Die_Hard_Linux: read the topic, use pastebin

[20:18:10]

devinheitmueller:

Die_Hard_Linux: STOP. Do not *ever* paste output from a command into the irc window.

[20:18:10]

** mag0o chuckles and goes back to -themeing **

[20:18:26]

devinheitmueller:

Die_Hard_Linux: use http://pastebin.com/ instead

[20:18:30]

Die_Hard_Linux:

k

[20:19:24]

Dagmar:

Maybe its' time he got an adult to help him

[20:19:51]

Dagmar:

..instead of just limply spamming us with various pieces of information and refusing to even lift a finger to help himeself by thinking about it first.

[20:20:03]

devinheitmueller:

Die_Hard_Linux: unfortunately, lspci is not going to be enough help to tell us the model number. You need to take the card out of the machine and figure out what model you have. It's usually printed on the card.

[20:21:50]

wagnerrp:

generally, if you intend to actually manage a computer, instead of just use one, you need to know what hardware you have

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wagnerrp:

you *should* be able to recall all of the parts, or at least have it written down somewhere

[20:22:25]

Die_Hard_Linux:

you got it

[20:22:27]

Die_Hard_Linux:

gotta go

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Die_Hard_Linux:

peace

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: give the guy a break. Not everybody is as experienced a user as you are.

[20:25:35]

wagnerrp:

im not expecting him to be an experienced user, im expecting him to remember what tuner card he bought

[20:26:06]

wagnerrp:

you cant very well go about installing drivers if you dont know what it is you have to install drivers for

[20:26:13]

devinheitmueller:

Most people cannot distinguish between a tuner card and flux capacitor.

[20:26:52]

devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: he's probably a Windows user, in which case he can install drivers without knowing what hardware he has. He just sticks the disk in that came with the thing.

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blendmaster1024:

that's because you can use tuner cards to travel time!!

[20:27:22]

mag0o:

s/can/can't/ FTFY

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blendmaster1024:

uhm, how do i start the backend? (stupid laugh)

[20:27:44]

wagnerrp:

depends on your distro

[20:27:51]

wagnerrp:

very basically, you just run 'mythbackend'

[20:27:56]

blendmaster1024:

yeah stupid q, i just found the answer :)

[20:28:02]

wagnerrp:

however most distros have provided some form of init script

[20:28:25]

wagnerrp:

and then you have others like ubuntu where mythbackend is just a wrapper script pointing to mythbackend.real

[20:28:58]

blendmaster1024:

and how do i start the frontend?

[20:29:04]

wagnerrp:

'mythfrontend'

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blendmaster1024:

i would have thought the entry in the menus but it doesn't work

[20:29:29]

wagnerrp:

again, a distro thing

[20:29:40]

wagnerrp:

you can check to see if there are logs, usually in /var/log/mythtv/

[20:29:55]

wagnerrp:

or you can run mythfrontend from a terminal, in which case it will log directly to the terminal

[20:30:22]

blendmaster1024:

ok, fix for "http://www.pasteall.org/8900"?

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blendmaster1024:

about to have to go

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wagnerrp:

well then error is exactly what it says

[20:31:11]

wagnerrp:

pulse audio is running

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blendmaster1024:

so... fix!?

[20:31:24]

wagnerrp:

mythtv has some problems using pulseaudio

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blendmaster1024:

then how do i make it not use audio?

[20:31:43]

blendmaster1024:

i just wanna see if the tunerness is working

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wagnerrp:

namely, that the a/v sync tends to get way out of whack when using pulseaudio

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wagnerrp:

so mythtv tries to disable it, if possible

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wagnerrp:

and errors, if it cant

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wagnerrp:

theres some environmental variable that tells myth to continue on and use pulse, but i dont remember it off hand

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blendmaster1024:

:(

[20:33:07]

wagnerrp:

run 'EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSE_AUDIO=1 mythfrontend' from a terminal

[20:33:26]

wagnerrp:

it should start up, but understand that is only for testing, that is not a fix

[20:33:47]

wagnerrp:

you will probably notice the audio and video getting out of sync within a few minutes

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blendmaster1024:

oh well. i killed pulseaudio and it worked :)

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Dagmar:

Thats the smart thing to do

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wagnerrp:

understand that on distros that use pulseaudio by default, a lot of the apps are compiled with the expectation pulse will be running

[20:34:46]

wagnerrp:

some things may no longer work with it shut down

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wagnerrp:

not a problem if this is a dedicated box

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wagnerrp:

but if youre using this as a desktop, you may have issues

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Dagmar:

Those people will give up on pulse soon once it's fad status wears off

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mersault:

Is there any documentation or does anyone have a list of ways to name files so that they're jamu friendly?

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: Do you already know what a jamu "friendly" name looks like?

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jjosk:

Anyone have idea why I have chessboard like pattern near sharp lines in videos? Possible deinterlacing problem?

[20:59:00]

Randune:

hi all..I'm having an issue with mythtv which I cannot seem to find the solution for..I've created the mythconverg database and setup the appropriate user and group..but mythtv says "cannot login to database?"

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Randune:

not sure where to go from here

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wagnerrp:

Randune: is this all on one machine? or across the network?

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Randune:

one machine wagnerrp

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Randune:

I can login to mysql via the mythtv user and it works fine

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wagnerrp:

just make sure you typed your user/pass correctly

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Randune:

I did that

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Randune:

everything is fine

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: Assuming you are referring to TV Episodes then Jamu can parse any file names that the script tvnamer.py can handle. It would be a good test program. http://wiki.github.com/dbr/tvdb_api/tvnamer

[21:00:30]

Randune:

I'm running ArchLinux

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Randune:

mythtv 0.21–2

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wagnerrp:

try deleting ~/.mythtv/config.xml and ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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Randune:

k..

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mersault:

RDV_Linux, now it's the odd stuff, like the movie of the weeks that some series' will do in between seasons, for instance. xmas specials are another example.

[21:01:01]

wagnerrp:

reset the current login info, and enter it back into the GUI when it prompts

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frode:

When the scanner says "found 21 probable channels" (for dvb-t), but no channels seems to register anywhere, what does that mean?

[21:01:32]

mersault:

RDV_Linux, oh, and anthologies and collections of shorts that appeared on one disc, but where I have them as individual files.

[21:02:02]

RDV_Linux:

mersault: I will help you but on a private channel so we do not clutter up this one. Contact you in a second

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frode:

there is indeed supposed to be 21 channels there, but I can't seem to convince mythtv to notice them, let alone watch.

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Wicked:

so lastnight i added 2 movies to themoviedb...i can see they have synced.....but mythtv is still saying no matches found

[21:12:58]

Wicked:

any ideas why they are not being found? if i search from the website they are found.

[21:13:07]

wagnerrp:

the name may not match close enough

[21:13:20]

wagnerrp:

the website does a much different search algorithm than the API

[21:13:49]

wagnerrp:

what filenames, specifically?

[21:13:58]

Wicked:

they are being spelled the same way

[21:14:19]

Wicked:

one is "jackass the lost tapes" both do NOT have a : after jackass

[21:14:25]

Wicked:

the other is "homegrown"

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Wicked:

no space inbetween

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Wicked:

*in between

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wagnerrp:

looks like the graber script is broken

[21:15:40]

Wicked:

i also noticed on the movie "the ring" the grabber script fails

[21:15:47]

wagnerrp:

yep, definitely broken

[21:15:51]

Wicked:

let me see if i can get the error for the "the ring"

[21:16:09]

wagnerrp:

specifically, the problem is that myth still uses the IMDB id for the TMDB grabber

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Wicked:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

so if the movie does not have an imdb id listed, the tmdb grabber will fail

[21:16:47]

wagnerrp:

add it to the site, wait for another refresh cycle

[21:17:20]

Wicked:

ha. no way. of course when i goto look up the ring today...it worked. but i tried at least 5 times in the last week and half and it failed each time...not a "not found" but it failed with a error.

[21:17:25]

Wicked:

now i cant find the error

[21:17:42]

Wicked:

wagnerrp, i added the imdb # to both movies last night

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Wicked:

or at least i did with homegrown

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wagnerrp:

well they dont come up through the API search

[21:17:59]

wagnerrp:

that field is empty

[21:18:09]

wagnerrp:

run the script manually using '-r'

[21:18:30]

wagnerrp:

the 'imdb' field is empty

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Wicked:

wait. i did not add one to jackass the lost tapes. i could not find one lastnight

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Wicked:

but the homegrown one def has it

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wagnerrp:

not through the API

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Wicked:

hmm. well i added it over 12 hours ago. no idea why its not showing up

[21:21:55]

Wicked:

so tmdb.pl really gets info from imdb? it just gets the imdb # from tmdb?

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wagnerrp:

no, tmdb.pl gets information from themoviedb.org

[21:22:31]

wagnerrp:

but it was written to be a drop-in replacement for imdb.pl

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Wicked:

then why does it fail if theres no imdb #?

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wagnerrp:

meaning it had to continue to use the imdb numbers, or else it would fail if you tried to re-scrape any existing movies

[21:24:10]

Wicked:

hmm

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defaultro:

sorry folks for bringing this up again. I couldn't find the notes I kept in regards to the new machine I will build. I wasn't sure which machine I used last time. :)

[21:45:48]

defaultro:

I would like build a machine with an nvidia card with vdpau support. I still would like to stick with gigabyte mobos since my old one never gave me headaches. I'm not sure which cpu I should buy but would like something powerful enough but not expensive.

[21:46:05]

defaultro:

can anyone help me again with the items please?

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Dagmar:

NewEgg can help you.

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

that's where I bought my stuff back in 2005

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Dagmar:

I doubt they will have more than three motherboards matching your criteria

[21:47:17]

Dagmar:

...and that will include all of Gigabyte's offerings.

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defaultro:

i think, I should look for it first then post it here later

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defaultro:

ok

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Dagmar:

Ding!

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Dagmar:

You defined a pretty narrow range of hardware.

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Dagmar:

It should be pretty easy to pick

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

what type of cpu slot should I be looking for?

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Dagmar:

Way better criteria than "i don' have much munny and i'm lazy"

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Dagmar:

defaultro: No idea what intels is called, AMDs is am2+

[21:48:35]

defaultro:

my limit would be $500-$600

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sphery:

Heh, ordered all the parts for a replacement computer yesterday from newegg--CPU, mobo, RAM, and (since my old one is a micro-atx) mini-atx case without PSU. I have a good 80 PLUS PSU that's one of the 6 80 PLUS PSU's I've bought from newegg in the last year, so I didn't need a PSU. Today I got an e-mail from newegg, "Shopping Helper: A few good accessories for your recent purchase," full of 80 PLUS PSU's--so they noticed I ...

[21:48:41]

Dagmar:

...but like I said, I doubt more than three things will come up

[21:48:43]

sphery:

... got everything but a PSU. :)

[21:49:06]

Dagmar:

It's not like Gigabyte or anyone else is making more than a small number of variations for each socket type

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defaultro:

k

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Dagmar:

Go prod NewEgg with your criteria, including the manufacturer restriction, and see what comes up

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

i also couldn't decide if i should go intel or amd. My current system is amd. Am not sure if I should stick with amd

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defaultro:

an on newegg site now

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defaultro:

wow, confusing. :) hehehe, I only had agp and pci slots. New terminologies :)

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Dagmar:

It's pretty much PCI Express and plain PCI slots now

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defaultro:

thanks

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Dagmar:

...and we don't use plain PCI for our video cards.

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Dagmar:

heh

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defaultro:

is PCIE the same as PCIX? So looks like the latter would be older technology

[21:53:18]

defaultro:

i'll buy a pcie video card then

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Dagmar:

The latter probably is

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Dagmar:

You'll be hard pressed to NOT buy a PCI-e video card

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

what cpu do you use right now?

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Dagmar:

AMD 4250e

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defaultro:

ok

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Dagmar:

At the moment, Sony and HP are bogarting all the new 45w chips

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Dagmar:

Selfish *bastards* they are

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defaultro:

found a good mobo because i want to have firewire and spdif like my existing. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128392

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gizmobay:

Is there a way to force fanart downlad for movies with jamu?

[21:56:54]

defaultro:

but confused why there are 2 types of pci express slots

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mag0o:

sphery: replacement computer, or new frontend you've been talking of?

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defaultro:

x1 and x16

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RDV_Linux:

gizmobay: Force? Jamu will always try to download any graphics that a has not already been downloaded for a video.

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defaultro:

would it be a problem if there is a built in ATI video card and I'm planning to use nvidia external card?

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gizmobay:

I see the problem. Jamu didn't add the path to the fanart 120999_fanart.jpg instead of /home/mythtv/Fanart/120999_fanart.jpg

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Nallic:

hi. Running release-0-22-fixes from svn – im having some small troubles when scanning DVB-T multiplexes. It will find all channels except for some specific channels. These are reported in the console output of mythtv-setup and also in the gui as "probable channels". I have pasted the debug output here: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1660102

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Nallic:

The missing channels are MPEG4 channels – thats the only thing I know could seperate them

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Nallic:

its a brand new MUX since 1/11 here in Denmark

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Nallic:

does anyone know how i can determine why a channels was left out of a scan ?

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dan4dm:

join #puredyne

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dan4dm:

oops

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sphery:

mag0o: for now it's a replacement computer--it will be used to set everything up for a major network upgrade--then as part of the upgrade, it will replace a dedicated Myth backend (which is what I was looking to replace, not the dedicated frontend) and the old backend will replace the other computer

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pete_^:

does anyone have a particular dvb-t card that works well? I have 3x Hauppauge nova-t's which cause myth to crash so frequently I just run it in a loop, I also know someone with issues with the nova t 500, so just looking for particular recommendations

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_ben:

i'm using nova t-500's and it's rock solid

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_ben:

pete_^: what firmware are you using?

[22:29:54]

pete_^:

_ben: if you warm reboot do you not get problems with the t-500's not initializing?

[22:30:06]

_ben:

Nope

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_ben:

i'm using an older firmware tho

[22:30:32]

_ben:

1.10 iirc

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_ben:

1.20 is broken

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pete_^:

I remember dealing with firmware back with an older board revision of the nova-t but since the 3rd (I think) edition I just plugged it in and it worked so I don't actually know which firmware version is in use

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_ben:

check /lib/firmware

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_ben:

you probably have dvb-usb-dib0700–1.20.fw

[22:36:28]

pete_^:

there is nothing in /lib/firmware, and infact no .fw files anywhere apparently

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Nallic:

nevermind.. found the issue: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7449

[22:36:39]

_ben:

pete_^: interesting

[22:37:17]

pete_^:

I have a feeling you don't need to do that with the newer nova cards (I may be wrong, it might have just been doing it for me all this time)

[22:37:23]

pete_^:

nova-t* cards

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_ben:

mmm

[22:37:48]

_ben:

the problem i have found is the newer firmware and support just doesn't work

[22:38:43]

_ben:

the system expects to find 1.20.fw on my setup but that file is actually 1.10 renamed to 1.20 :p

[22:38:49]

pete_^:

I mean mythbackend will die on an almost daily basis, sometimes taking the whole system down when it does (presumably it's the actual driver code in the kernel, but mythtv is the only thing using it)

[22:38:57]

pete_^:

_ben: handy that works!

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: fwiw, I liked the idea about the theme. :) Did you notice http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/406234#406234 ? Possibly cache-related and caused by missing graphics files?

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pete_^:

_ben: Sorry if I confused you, I'm not running the nova t 500 (so not the dvb-usb-* firmware in any case)

[22:41:19]

_ben:

ah, ok

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pete_^:

that was someone else I just know also having slight trouble with them

[22:43:31]

pete_^:

_ben: so with firmware 1.10 you don't get the 'random' disconnects described here : http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards#Hauppauge ?

[22:43:57]

_ben:

correct

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pete_^:

_ben: I just don't want to get more card(s) to find they just start a new set of problems!

[22:44:32]

_ben:

heh

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, saw that, but didn't look into it. what might be the issue would depend on what removing them from the control center actually does I guess.

[22:44:44]

_ben:

where are you btw?

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_ben:

UK?

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pete_^:

_ben: yes

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_ben:

Yeah, I think there's quite a large number of nova-t 500 users here

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, does it remove the .so, edit the menu, remove the graphic, etc.? only way to make it not appear on the menu is to edit the menu or to move the plugin's .so.

[22:45:43]

_ben:

pete_^: read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_500_PCI

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pete_^:

Then again the nova-t 500 page talks about ", 2008 – New firmware file fixing the last cause for i2c errors and disconnects and providing a new, more modular i2c request formatting."

[22:45:55]

** Captain_Murdoch has to head out/home. be back in a while. **

[22:46:03]

oobe:

i have a dvico dual and was thinking of switching to nova-t 500 after some problems do you guys have issues with it of late

[22:46:28]

pete_^:

oobe: I'm basically where you are, looking for a new card

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oobe:

pete_^, the card i have i have used and trusted for years but i have noticed the support is getting messed with with later kernel builds and v4l-dvb code

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pete_^:

oobe: Oh, my cards have always been trouble, caused me to write a wrapper for mythbackend to (mostly) avoid the problem

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: good questions... I don't know *buntu, either. I'll check with some of the users.

[22:49:25]

oobe:

pete_^, if dual is not important there are loads of much cheaper cards around that work great

[22:50:27]

pete_^:

oobe: I've currently got 3 dvb-t tuners and one dvb-s tuner, the backend could also do with an upgrade, finding motherboards with >3 pci slots isn't all that easy so a dual duner is ideal

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dan4dm:

we've got nova-t 500. not had myth long enough to know how good or bad it is, but we're happy with the box overall...

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pete_^:

dan4dm: and you don't get the random programs not recorded? Which firmware are you using?

[22:52:46]

pete_^:

It may well be the least worst solution by the looks of it

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dan4dm:

actually, yes, we do get random programs not recorded sometimes. as i say, we haven't had myth long – not sure whether to blame the card or sth else – common reprted problem with those cards is it?

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pete_^:

dan4dm: it seems to be yes, according to the wiki pages at least.

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dougtopp:

hi alhi all, I'm trying to compile RC2 on an 32-bit linux box, and I can't seem to prevent it from building with PIC (even though I know after ticket irc://irc.freenode.net/#6859 that I need to disable PIC)

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dan4dm:

how to find what version of firmware we've got?

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sphery:

dougtopp: not really a bother--just that here is a much better place for the discussion

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pete_^:

dan4dm: as _ben suggested have a look in /lib/firmware/

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sphery:

dougtopp: my understanding is that the "official" build script for gentoo is broken and various users have their own modified scripts that work fine

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dan4dm:

thanks – i see dvb-usb-dib0700–1.10.fw and dvb-usb-dib0700–1.20.fw

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sphery:

so, any gentoo users with working build script (emerge thingies?--whatever they're called) who can help dougtopp ?

[22:59:55]

sphery:

dougtopp: also, I've heard that the script used by the guy I'd trust has been rejected upstream

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pete_^:

dan4dm: can you see if either of them is a link to the other? "ls -l /lib/firmware"

[23:00:19]

dougtopp:

sphery: really? Who would that be?

[23:00:22]

Dagmar:

dougtopp: I'll be shocked if disabling PIC is actually the answer to anything.

[23:00:27]

sphery:

kormoc's script

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dougtopp:

sphery: there's nothing in bugs.gentoo.org

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sphery:

dougtopp: what does gentoo call those things?

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Dagmar:

...and "irc://irc.freenode.net/#6859" does not refer to any bug tracker, that's a URI for a channel

[23:00:58]

sphery:

I can probably get you a link with the right word

[23:01:06]

oobe:

pete_^, i just bought a new mobo with 4 pci slots

[23:01:13]

dan4dm:

pete_^: no, they're independent files, different

[23:01:17]

oobe:

that was one of the reasons i chose it

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sphery:

Dagmar: I'm guessing it's an auto-edit in his IRC client :)

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oobe:

plus its really cheap and can unlock cores

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dougtopp:

sphery: ebuilods

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sphery:

that's it

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Dagmar:

sphery: More than that since irc.freenode.net doesn't actually run a webserver

[23:02:10]

pete_^:

oobe: which motherboard is it? Then again which dvb-t card would I go for instead..

[23:02:11]

dougtopp:

sphery: kormoc doesn't have anything for RC2

[23:02:45]

Dagmar:

Seriously tho, disabling PIC is almost never the answer.

[23:02:46]

sphery:

looking at http://www.kormoc.com/ebuilds/ ?

[23:03:03]

pete_^:

dan4dm: Presumably it's taking the latest version then, you could probably see which is being loaded by running "dmesg |grep fw"

[23:03:24]

sphery:

I think he said something about just needing to edit the branch or something

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dan4dm:

pete_^: you're right. thanks

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pete_^:

_ben: what issues were you experiencing with 1.20? The recording not happening bug?

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sphery:

dougtopp: basically, though, anything that can build trunk can build rc2, so if nothing else, starting with his trunk one should get you close

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dougtopp:

sphery: I'm looking at http://www.kormoc.com/subversion/portage/media-tv/mythtv/

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dougtopp:

sphery: linked to from his ebuilds section

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oobe:

pete_^, my problem is getting decent reception using a splitter and multiple cards but i have a pinnacle 310i that cost less than 40 AUD that works well there are loads of dirt cheap dvb-t cards that work well under linux check whirlpool.net.au forums and my mobo is http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboa . . . oductID=3006 cost about 80 aud if i remember

[23:05:39]

sphery:

yeah, the 22414 one should work fine after modifying it to use the right source

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dougtopp:

sphery: I think I see the one change that isnt in the gentoo ebuild

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dougtopp:

sphery: append-flags "-DBROKEN_RELOCATIONS"

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dougtopp:

if x86

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josh_:

sphery, Do you know if any more feedback is needed with the "slow program guide" and "defunct processes" bugs?

[23:09:07]

sphery:

josh_: would you like to try a patch?

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josh_:

sphery, sure

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josh_:

sphery, for which one?

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pete_^:

oobe: that looks like a good motherboard except I'd like a dual NIC one. Thing is, my dvb-t card is marked as 'good' in the wiki, I wanted a recommendation to have someone to blame when it didn't work ;)

[23:10:51]

dougtopp:

vy

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dougtopp:

sorry.... wrong window

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sphery:

josh_: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-71 . . . cesses.patch for the defunct processes

[23:12:31]

sphery:

if it works, feel free to post it to the ticket or just let me know

[23:12:37]

josh_:

sphery, what revision should that be applied to?

[23:12:47]

sphery:

any

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josh_:

ok

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Dagmar:

dougtopp: This would be because relocation isn't broken on x86 generally

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sphery:

-fixes or trunk anything reasonably current

[23:13:13]

sphery:

don't worry about offsets and there shouldn't be fuzz

[23:13:20]

Dagmar:

This will be the last time I'm going to waste my time typing, and the most extreme... If you have to disable PIC on x86, you have done something VERY WRONG

[23:13:45]

sphery:

Dagmar: something like having BROKEN_RELOCATIONS ? :)

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wagnerrp:

theres very little purpose to a dual NIC motherboard unless you intend to use it as a firewall

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sphery:

i.e. it sounds like that is admitting to brokenness

[23:14:21]

wagnerrp:

and you really shouldnt run all sorts of crap plus mythbackend and mysql on your firewall

[23:14:35]

Die_Hard_Linux:

I found my model number

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Dagmar:

sphery: I'd kinda like to see which configure test is setting that

[23:14:47]

oobe:

pete_^, join the v4l-dvb mailing list and dont try to blame people just post questions regaurding your device support chances are it is fixable if attention is brought to it

[23:14:50]

wagnerrp:

*drumroll*

[23:14:52]

Dagmar:

http://people.redhat.com/drepper/dsohowto.pdf

[23:14:57]

Die_Hard_Linux:

VS-TV7133 3DYC

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sphery:

Dagmar: I think it's brokenness in the distro, not in Myth

[23:15:03]

wagnerrp:

*high hat*

[23:15:07]

Dagmar:

position independent code has worked correctly on common INtel and AMD chips for bloody ages now

[23:15:12]

pete_^:

oobe: that was a joke!

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sphery:

i.e. everything works fine for me on my system with my system build

[23:15:21]

Dagmar:

sphery; Might be because of the OMGOPTIMIZATIONS

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pete_^:

wagnerrp: it's an internal router for segregating some people, nothing security wise, externally it's a different machine

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sphery:

yep

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oobe:

pete_^, i know but i wasnt joking really you might get somewhere

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Dagmar:

I have had to disable PIC maybe 10 or 15 times in the last age

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dougtopp:

Dagmar: well, I'm trying to figure what is being done wrong so it can be fixed

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Dagmar:

Most of the time that was on HP/UX or IRIX and when I was building static libs

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wagnerrp:

Die_Hard_Linux: that sounds more like a another chip on the board, rather than your tuner card model

[23:16:02]

Dagmar:

...because their linker sucks

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Dagmar:

dougtopp: Well, if you

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Dagmar:

dougtopp: Well, if you'd actually coughed up some detail maybe someone who knows something could look at it

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wagnerrp:

ah

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Die_Hard_Linux:

this site says it is: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100146

[23:16:37]

wagnerrp:

its the very specific model number for the 'Expert PVR-TV'

[23:16:38]

Dagmar:

Otherwise this is a matter of shoving a sharp stick up your nose.

[23:16:47]

wagnerrp:

that 'Expert PVR-TV' is what we were looking for

[23:16:50]

josh_:

sph patch applied, it'll take a few minuites on this old P4

[23:16:51]

Dagmar:

You MIGHT have a deadly spider in there that needs to die, but mostly, it's just a stupid thing to do

[23:17:00]

dougtopp:

Dagmar: i'm in the middle of loading pastie for the config, and compiling outside of screen so I have enough scrollback to show the problem ;-)

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sphery:

dougtopp: I should say that my system isn't a gentoo one--but you probably figured that out from my ignorance of gentoo stuff--so I was comparing apples and oranges

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Dagmar:

dougtopp: `man tee`. <-- this helps

[23:17:41]

Die_Hard_Linux:

thats what it is

[23:17:56]

Die_Hard_Linux:

KWORLD TV Tuner Expert PVR-TV Card VS-TV7133 3DYC

[23:18:13]

Die_Hard_Linux:

surprised they still sell this card

[23:18:27]

Dagmar:

Id' think this means yuo managed to buy an SAA7133 off some auction site

[23:18:42]

Dagmar:

Kworld cards do not all work under Linux.

[23:18:49]

Dagmar:

...due to a lack of support from v4l.

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wagnerrp:

looks like it is an analog only card

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wagnerrp:

and as such has not been available for retail purchase for the last several years

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Die_Hard_Linux:

yes

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wagnerrp:

aside from it being a framegrabber

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Die_Hard_Linux:

i got it a couple years ago

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Die_Hard_Linux:

2007 i would guess

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wagnerrp:

generally, framegrabbers are recommended against for mythtv

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sphery:

PVR-x50 ftw!

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sphery:

(or HVR-1600)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i see very little mention of it on the internet

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wagnerrp:

and the only mention related to linux says it doesnt work

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dougtopp:

Dagmar: the config: http://pastie.org/687253

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wagnerrp:

nothing on the V4L wiki

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sphery:

wagnerrp: do you still do gentoo?

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josh_:

The FCC isnt allowing happauge to sell PVR-X50's anymore either

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wagnerrp:

yeah, what do you need?

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dougtopp:

Dagmar: ignor that, I'm building the wrong version

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sphery:

josh_: that's what e-bay's for :)

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josh_:

the distributors can still sell their stock

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wagnerrp:

josh_: yes, only available used on ebay anymore

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sphery:

wagnerrp: dougtopp is looking for a working e-build/info on the PIC thing

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wagnerrp:

although there are a couple canadian retailers that have then, and will ship to the US

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** wagnerrp had no idea what PIC means, much less how to fix such an issue **

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Die_Hard_Linux:

figured I might run into that problem

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josh_:

wagnerrp, PIC == "Person In Charge" == "The Wife"

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wagnerrp:

so you have to disable 'the wife' to compile mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

somehow that joke just fits...

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sphery:

position-independent code --having to do with the BROKEN_RELOCATION thing that kormoc seems to be doing

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wagnerrp:

anyway, yes... i have not gotten mythtv to compile on 32-bit gentoo using the ebuilds for some time

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wagnerrp:

but it works just fine compiling from source

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sphery:

didn't you try kormoc's ebuild (at least back in Sep :)

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dougtopp:

wagnerrp: I'm trying to figure outh what the ebuilds are doing wrong

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wagnerrp:

yeah, didnt work back then either

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dougtopp:

sphery: Dagmar the actual configure of RC2 http://pastie.org/687259

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Die_Hard_Linux:

thanks for the info, I'm off to get this thing working on windows

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Die_Hard_Linux:

ciao

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sphery:

hope he didn't mean get Myth working on Windows :)

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wagnerrp:

dougtopp: try compiling manually, rather than through the ebuild, and see what you get

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dougtopp:

wagnerrp: yes, but if that works, I get a working, unmanaged package, and I haven't helped anyone besides me... If I can fix it now, it will work for me, everyone else, it will be managed, and then when the next version comes out, I won't have to manually handle the upgrade

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sphery:

josh_: Have you finished testing that patch, yet? You're holding up the release, ya know. ;)

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wagnerrp:

dougtopp: ah, so you actually know your way around portage and are trying to fix it

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josh_:

sphery, hahah

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sphery:

(Just joking--I explained the patch was a guess and completely untested.)

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josh_:

sphery, it's compiled, need to run to the bedroom :)

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sphery:

how long does it normally take to see the defunct processes reappear? I know you all mentioned sometimes they come right back other times they don't seem to...

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dougtopp:

wagnerrp: i'm an occasional contributer to gentoo... never enough time to become an official dev, but I use it enough to have a couple of ebuilds in the official tree...

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josh_:

I havent looked in a while, but when I was paying attention, they *always* immediately appeared on startup

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Dagmar:

sphery; Considering in the last three hours he apparently spent only five minutes thinking? It's probably a windows install

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i just remember it always errors in some ASM code

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josh_:

shutdown -r now

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josh_:

frick, wrong window...

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sphery:

at least in here, it doesn't shut down the wrong computer :)

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dougtopp:

gah.... it's working now... and I know why....

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sphery:

got a 32-bit build working?

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Dagmar:

So... the broken_reloc thing only appears in the libavutil code

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sphery:

yeah, the libav* code has a lot of assumptions that require specific build options

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sphery:

so overriding with global -O or whatever breaks things

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Dagmar:

...and amazingly it ONLY gets set for x86_64

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Dagmar:

Not 32-bit.

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dougtopp:

sphery: it's not done compiling yet, but the build is sucessfully compiling

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Dagmar:

I'm willing to bet they knew what they were doing there.

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sphery:

progress, then

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dougtopp:

the gentoo ebuilds strip CFLAGS to prevent CFLAGS from screwing with mythtv

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Dagmar:

sphery: Were you asking if I have a 32-bit build working?

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Dagmar:

THe answer would be "probably"

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Dagmar:

I compiled it. Haven't been able to actually upgrade to it yet

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dougtopp:

without realizing it, I stopped stripping the CFLAGS, and things work properly

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Dagmar:

stripping CFLAGS how

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Dagmar:

There's very little you actually ever want to set in CFLAGS

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josh_:

sphery, Still have my normal two <defunct> processes.

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dougtopp:

Dagmar: << CFLAGS="" >>

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dougtopp:

Dagmar: by default, CFLAGS contains architecture and things like -O2 or -fomit-frame-pointer in gentoo

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sphery:

josh_: :( well, was worth a try

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Dagmar:

Well, tnat's part of your problem

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Dagmar:

That's _dumb_

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Dagmar:

One of the bigger criticizms of "Gentoo people" is the tendency to just throw a bunch of pointless options into CFLAGS as if they were some kind of all-spice.

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dougtopp:

Dagmar: actually, the problem seems to be that the configure option --cpu=prescott generates -march=pentiumpro

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Dagmar:

There's no reason to throw -fomit-frame-pointer into every build unless you have a _specific reason to do so_.

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Dagmar:

-O2 is fine because it's practically the gcc default

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Dagmar:

dougtopp: Iv'e said many times that THAT code is insane

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Dagmar:

You can only set that in very specific ways or it'll screw up because some of the ffmpeg tests are deranged

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josh_:

reboot

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dougtopp:

Dagmar: meaning the configure script for --cpu= ??

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Dagmar:

Over here I long ago got used to setting *just* --cpu=k8 and nothing else pertaining to arch optimizations

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Dagmar:

Otherwise you risk things going insane

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Dagmar:

If you're having issues with prescott opts, set --cpu to i686 or don't set it at all and examine the output from the build very carefully for weirdness in the libav*/ffmpeg stuff

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sphery:

Dagmar: yeah, -O2 will break a Myth build since the libav* code won't all work with that (needs registers that get wasted with wrong -O)

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Dagmar:

sphery: This is why I stopped setting CFLAGS at all for 0.21-fixes

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Dagmar:

I could dig through the bowels of the build and find where it just plain effed up in the imported codec libs

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Dagmar:

over and over

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Dagmar:

I could hack it in so CFLAGS would get filtered out before reaching that point, but screw it. Too much trouble

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sphery:

yeah, generally, the build system takes care of it for us

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sphery:

the ffmpeg guys set it up so that it used what they needed/wanted

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dougtopp:

Dagmar: but it seems that when gentoo is giving an empty CFLAGS variable to myth, the build dies... if we leave it configured, it works...

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sphery:

dougtopp: unset CFLAGS

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Dagmar:

dougtopp: How about it not being set at all, not just set to null

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strtok_:

Hello. Anyone know if anyone has successfully installed mythtv (or some equivilant) on a vudu ?

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Dagmar:

Liike sphery says

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strtok_:

:D

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strtok_:

i type fast

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Dibblah:

omit-frame-pointer has some sensible uses. If you're low on registers...

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

what's a vudu?

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Dibblah:

Which is pretty much true in vanilla x86.

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sphery:

would that be one of these: http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-media-receive . . . 2589079.html

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strtok_:

sphery: it's a set-top box for video treaming

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strtok_:

streaming

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Dagmar:

sphery: A _rented_ appliance box

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Dibblah:

And is a damn good reason why people should switch to x64. One of the very, very few reasons.

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strtok_:

i didn't buy one, but i happen to have one

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sphery:

I'm guessing (though I know nothing of it) that the answer that applies to TiVo/ReplayTV applies to that: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.16

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Dagmar:

They're going to want it back

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Dibblah:

And they're probably going to want it to work for the next person.

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strtok_:

sphery: it's possible the vudu is x86

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Dibblah:

Woo.

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strtok_:

it's possible it also has a general purpose graphics chipset

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strtok_:

i have no idea

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Dibblah:

It's very unlikely that it would.

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strtok_:

sadly

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Dagmar:

I'll be damned if I'll go do a bunch of Googling

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Dibblah:

GP graphics is insanely expensive for embedded equipment.

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strtok_:

Dagmar: the appliances are not rented, they're paid for

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Dibblah:

strtok_: You could try doing a bunch of Googling...

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strtok_:

Dibblah: i have, i came here as a last resort

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Dagmar:

strtok_: The only places I've heard of it was with Comcast offering it as a service

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strtok_:

and now my question is answered

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Dibblah:

So open the damn box.

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Dibblah:

;)

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Dibblah:

Few people put kill switches in these days.

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strtok_:

Dagmar: nah, you can buy the boxes in bestbuy

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brad3:

does anyone know if it is possible to add a textEditBox to a mythdialogbox? Or do i need a full blown mythscreen for that?

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Dagmar:

Generally they just build hardware with esoteric chipsets third parties will never be able to reuse effectively

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Dibblah:

You make it sound purposeful.

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Dagmar:

You appear to be listening to me carefully. :)

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sphery:

strtok_: You'd probably be best served to use a "more traditional" computer for Myth

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Dibblah:

It's more that the esoteric chipsets are cheaper per unit for a specific task.

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strtok_:

sphery: figured

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Dagmar:

I'd think it would be cheaper to go with quantity of scale and get something with more mass-market chips

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Dibblah:

Nope.

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Dibblah:

There was a HD-DVD player that did that.

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Dibblah:

P4 motherboard.

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Dagmar:

Either way< i can count the appliances that work as well once their custom software has been blown away without changing the expression of how I feel about that on one hand

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Dibblah:

... Even they used a video decode frontend, not a video card as such.

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** Dibblah considers removing the fsync in Myth again. **

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Dagmar:

There shouold be more fsycning

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Dagmar:

Nine times a second.

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Dagmar:

People could lose data if hte power goes out!

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clever:

sql is likely to get buggered up anyways:P

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clever:

which means no seek table for that extra 1/10th a second you managed to keep

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