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Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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pjcrux:

Hello, I popped in earlier asking a question about a POSIX problem the follwong error I am receiving in Fedora 11. The issue that I am see is this http://paste.amahi.org/f5e39f385

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dserban:

Okay! I'm on into my foray into setting up a back-end server.

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sphery:

pjcrux: you're missing a PHP package

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sphery:

but you're gone, so...

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wagnerrp:

one of the great things about tab completion

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wagnerrp:

if you cant complete, you dont answer

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dserban:

What's the holdup with .22? :D

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dserban:

anyway .22 scares me, so I'll wait for the wailing on the bugreport list.

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_ben:

shrug

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_ben:

i've been using 0.22 for months

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dserban:

Yeah i've heard a lot of people say np, so it's not _that_ scary. Only worried about small things, once the backend is up... i'll upgrade the works.

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jtmoney:

hey guys... i remember reading (and not bookmarking, unfortunately) an article on how you could make a few changes in mythtv's database to have it record specific shows... for example, you would select "record all" for mlb baseball, but go in and change something so that it only records games in which the yankees are playing... any ideas?

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone in the US know if cable co's are required to broadcast ClearQAM by law/FCC? I'm getting a crappy signal (blocking, audio dropping out), and they said it's because I'm not subscribed to digital service w/ converter box and that I'm getting that OTA, and they're not the ones sending it.

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jtmoney:

yes, they are required to rebroadcast OTA channels in the clear

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jtmoney:

my service provider LOVES to change the channels around, requiring a rescan

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jtmoney:

perhaps yours did the same

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EnderTheThird:

Rescanned just the other day. They're there, they just aren't very strong.

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EnderTheThird:

Cable tech said he thinks it's line attenuation from crappy cables in my apt building and that I need to call to get them to run a new line. Now they're saying I need to get a digital box, but said box would just use that same ClearQAM signal anyway, wouldn't it?

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EnderTheThird:

At least for local network channels and the like, and then just encrypted QAM for the other stuff.

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EnderTheThird:

I'm trying to search the FCC site for info so I can call them back and tell them they're full of crap.

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird, call them on what? you're getting the channels

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iamlindoro:

The quality may suck, the signal may be weak, but the cluelessness of some customer service drone aside, they are meeting their legal obligation

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EnderTheThird:

More or less. It's blocking up like crazy due to weak signal, and they're telling me I need to upgrade to get full service, but I'd be getting the same weak signal with a digital STB anyway, wouldn't I?

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iamlindoro:

yes-- but the fact remains, they're providing the required signal

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EnderTheThird:

Moving the legal obligation aside, the rep thinks that me paying an extra $50/mo. would solve it, but I'm not going to do that just to get the same blocky signal.

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iamlindoro:

so some CS person can tell you that they can come into your house and sodomize you repeatedly, but in the end they're still abiding by the law

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jtmoney:

do you have any regular TVs in which the signal is this?

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wagnerrp:

call your landlord, get them to add an amp

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jtmoney:

they often use "active splitters" in apartments which can fail

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, I hooked it up directly to my HDTV to make sure it wasn't Myth or one of my tuners.

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jtmoney:

yeah, a repeater or the splitter went bad

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jtmoney:

maybe you can request the cable company come check the signals

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EnderTheThird:

Do you think I should contact my apt or try the cable company then?

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wagnerrp:

you already tried the cableco

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wagnerrp:

who do you have left

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EnderTheThird:

And FWIW, I'm using an amp here to split it too, though that's not helping if the signal from my wall is garbage, heh.

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EnderTheThird:

Apt folks I guess now. Their maintenance is awful, heh.

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wagnerrp:

youre possibly not authorized to call the cableco to repair your cable

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wagnerrp:

it may have to be routed through your landlord

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wagnerrp:

depending on how theyre set up

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EnderTheThird:

I'll stop by there tomorrow. On the other hand, the farthest broadcast tower is 10 miles according to Antennaweb. Still wouldn't be able to get much without a rooftop antenna though huh?

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jtmoney:

i went through something similar years ago

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jtmoney:

called cable company, had them come out and check the signal

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jtmoney:

they realized it was the splitter

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jtmoney:

(which actually takes power)

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jtmoney:

had to call apartment complex to get access to the room which housed it, swapped it out, everything was fine

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jtmoney:

also, channels got progressively "more snowy" was i went up

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, I know splitters take power. Made that mistake a couple years ago when splitting my signal too much, heh.

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jtmoney:

so 2 looked better than 3 looked better than 4, tec.

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jtmoney:

etc.

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jtmoney:

no i mean the splitters they use are different from the kind we buy at radioshack often times

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EnderTheThird:

Got ya. Wonder if the analog channels are garbage too. Time to check.

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EnderTheThird:

Analog is coming through... well enough for analog at least

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EnderTheThird:

I did see some ATT flags noting "buried lines". Maybe they'll just get ATT U-Verse out here soon.

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EnderTheThird:

Could probably save quite a bit of money if they just let me plant an antenna on the roof of my building, heh

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EnderTheThird:

Hmmm, a crappy antenna I found by our dumpster pulls in better signals for everything but FOX and CW.

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EnderTheThird:

Errr, NBC and CW. Bet a stronger multi-directional antenna would be able to pull them all in.

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DjMadness_:

I've been wondering a bit the last few hours, if i was to build a backend system and a frontend system (where the frontend would just have bare essencials), where should the card that has vdpau support be, both ends or just the frontend ?

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EnderTheThird:

FE only

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DjMadness_:

okeys :)

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EnderTheThird:

At least I'm 90% sure. FE is doing all the displaying anyway. Can't imagine why the BE would need vdpau.

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DjMadness_:

backend is just pure cpu/hdd/ram power then ?

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah.

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DjMadness_:

ah okeys... what would you recomend for the backend ?

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DjMadness_:

i mean as in how powerfull (hd quality)

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wagnerrp:

the backend has no need for any output hardware

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EnderTheThird:

For HD quality, BE doesn't make much difference as long as it has enough space. For commflagging, you'll want some beef behind it though.

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wagnerrp:

and for anything but framegrabbers, it doesnt really need much power in general

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wagnerrp:

the backend's tasks are... encoding (from framegrabbers), transcoding, commercial flagging, scheduling

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EnderTheThird:

If you're in a hurry for commflagging, that is. If you don't watch anything within a few hours after broadcasting, it doesn't really matter.

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wagnerrp:

the first two are intensive

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wagnerrp:

third, not so much, and its not really time critical, and can be offloaded to the frontend if you wish

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wagnerrp:

the fourth, you just want it to stay under a couple seconds

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DjMadness_:

ah okeys... that clarifies quite a bit :)

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DjMadness_:

i am currently running back/front on same system... can feel it quite a bit on analog signals...

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, listen to wagnerrp: he knows a lot more than I do, haha

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wagnerrp:

and most people running mythtv dont have to worry about the first two

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wagnerrp:

'feel it'?

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DjMadness_:

as in its laggish now and then

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EnderTheThird:

I think he means the load on the system

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wagnerrp:

what is your current system?

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EnderTheThird:

That or he's getting some snowy midnight channels...

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wagnerrp:

it *shouldnt* have any trouble with anything standard definition

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DjMadness_:

athlon xp 2500+ overclocked 3200+ 1gig ram 3x250GB hdd in softraid.

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DjMadness_:

7800GS (agp)

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wagnerrp:

the 7800 is overkill, but incapable of VDPAU

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DjMadness_:

ye i know... but the other thing ive got is an ati... :P

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wagnerrp:

the chip should be fine for any ATSC/QAM recordings

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wagnerrp:

decoding in software

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wagnerrp:

it may give you some trouble if you try to run deinterlacers as well

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EnderTheThird:

Ugh, I might have to hate myself if I order a Monster coax cable, but it's the only 50' I'm seeing. Eek.

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wagnerrp:

and should have NO trouble with any standard definition content

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DjMadness_:

it would be fine for a backend if i got a seperate machine for the frontend ?

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wagnerrp:

perfectly fine for a backend

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wagnerrp:

what type of raid?

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DjMadness_:

mdadm

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wagnerrp:

...

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DjMadness_:

sata disks (sata1)

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wagnerrp:

type

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DjMadness_:

0

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wagnerrp:

you would be much better off splitting them, and using them independently with storage groups

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wagnerrp:

since its not like youre getting any redundancy with 0

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wagnerrp:

one drive has no problem handling several recordings (of any type)

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DjMadness_:

ah okeys

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wagnerrp:

and multiple drives lets you handle multiple recordings with minimal fragmentation

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DjMadness_:

oh i see... quite a benefit there.

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wagnerrp:

raid0 just serves to reduce overall performance, and significantly reduce reliability

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EnderTheThird:

Is coax cable = coax cable if I'm just getting a 25 ft one?

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wagnerrp:

not at all

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EnderTheThird:

Afraid so. Any recommendations?

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wagnerrp:

you can have better material, better connectors, better/more shielding

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wagnerrp:

however monster is ALWAYS a ripoff

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EnderTheThird:

Preferrably available on Amazon?

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EnderTheThird:

Heh, I know about Monster. I despise that company and it hurts my brain every time I hear a family member or friend shelled out $100 for a Monster HDMI cable.

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DjMadness_:

what are you guys using for a remote control btw ?

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wagnerrp:

mceusb2

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EnderTheThird:

I'm using a Harmony 880

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EnderTheThird:

wagnerrp: Any recommendations on Amazon then? Just need 25'

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wagnerrp:

monoprice?

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wagnerrp:

50' of quad-shield RG6 for $7.14

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DjMadness_:

EnderTheThird: that looks quite nice... quite fancy.. suitable for the livingroom

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wagnerrp:

25' for $4.28

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wagnerrp:

tack on a couple bucks for USPS shipping

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wagnerrp:

honestly, i love my harmony, but im surprised how quickly the buttons are starting to fail

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EnderTheThird:

djmadness: I love it. It's slightly slower sending commands than an original remote for a device though.

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DjMadness_:

currently using my old dvd players remote (elcheapo lumatron no buttons match what its doing) and an iguanaIR reciever/sender

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wagnerrp:

the 'activities' button is starting not to work on one

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wagnerrp:

'volume up' on the other

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, my "3" is a bit finnicky. But I rarely have to use that key. Not bad for 4.5 years old though

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wagnerrp:

these are both probably just under 3yrs

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mangus580:

how hard is keymapping with IguanaIR?

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DjMadness_:

mangus580: easy

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DjMadness_:

mangus580: irrecord

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mangus580:

k

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DjMadness_:

and basicly type it in... takes no time at all.

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mangus580:

irrecord tells you teh code for the button I presume?

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DjMadness_:

mangus580: yep

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mangus580:

cool

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mangus580:

I need to plan my remote control still

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EnderTheThird:

I've always wanted to set up a mobile device (like a nokia n800 or something) as a media remote for MythTV. Don't think that'll happen any time soon though

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mangus580:

been messing with the Wii-Mote... but the button layout isnt what I would like

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DjMadness_:

EnderTheThird: what are you using for reciever for the harmony 880 ?

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EnderTheThird:

IR Forwarding via my HDHR

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EnderTheThird:

The receiver with the Windows MCE remotes is great though. I have one for my desktop FE (which I never use anyway, heh)

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mangus580:

is the Hauppauge HD-PVR the only usb input for component video?

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EnderTheThird:

The Windows remote/receiver has some really good range. I can point that remote anywhere and the receiver picks it up.

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wagnerrp:

there are a couple of capture cards that support component

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DjMadness_:

EnderTheThird and wagnerrp thanks for your advice both of you, its gonna help me get things done :)

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wagnerrp:

the HDPVR is the only one that runs better than 480i

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wagnerrp:

DjMadness_: check out the Executive Overview on the wiki

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mangus580:

I saw a brief review that said he had to customize the channel change script to make it work right? I presume it might have been his setup...

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wagnerrp:

it will give you a better idea of how things can be layed out

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DjMadness_:

wagnerrp: thanks ill take a look in a moment... gonna disassemble the raid now :)

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wagnerrp:

all capture cards require a channel change script to change the channel on whatever device is sending the video

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EnderTheThird:

djmagdness: No problem. Glad I could offer any sort of help.

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DjMadness_:

EnderTheThird: :)

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mangus580:

wagnerrp: understood... he just talked like there were scripts available that didnt work 'right'

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wagnerrp:

there may very well be

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EnderTheThird:

I hate Amazon sometimes. I always feel like I should order a movie or 2 just because they're cheap and it's free shipping.

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wagnerrp:

monoprice

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EnderTheThird:

I'm ordering the cable there. Thanks for the link. Getting the antenna on Amazon.

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wagnerrp:

ah

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EnderTheThird:

I should be able to get all the networks plenty clear with a stronger antenna. Only one I might not get is CW, but I only watch one show on there and it's available to stream from CW if I miss it that bad.

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EnderTheThird:

I would be able to hook up a splitter and multiple tuners to an antenna just like I do my cable, right?

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EnderTheThird:

An amplified splitter, that is.

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iamlindoro:

So, AWFUL shows to never watch-- "1,000 places to see before you die"

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wagnerrp:

in theory, yes

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iamlindoro:

This american couple who are the travelers are the dumbest sacks of crap I've ever seen

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wagnerrp:

but understand amps WILL introduce additional noise in the signal

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PeaceKeeper:

uggg anyone have ttvdb.py running on CentOS?

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wagnerrp:

wont happen

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wagnerrp:

not unless you upgrade python anyway

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EnderTheThird:

wagnerrp: Hmmm, well we'll see how it goes. It's worth a shot and I've wasted $40 on dumber stuff, heh.

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PeaceKeeper:

OK thx

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PeaceKeeper:

I will just change distro this weekend

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PeaceKeeper:

been wanting to change anyways. thank you again

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure weve told you the issues with myth on centos before

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wagnerrp:

or at least i remember that being brought up earlier this week

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PeaceKeeper:

me?

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EnderTheThird:

PeaceKeeper: Ubuntu 9.10's been working like a champ for me. Though I did have some trouble with the nvidia 190.42 driver so I downgraded back to 185.36.18

[03:13:00]

wagnerrp:

might not have been you, dont remember the name

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PeaceKeeper:

EnderTheThird: Thx

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EnderTheThird:

Mythbuntu's always an option too if you're new to Myth

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wagnerrp:

WTF!

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EnderTheThird:

wagnerrp: ?

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wagnerrp:

someone just added their 'HD Playback Report' of playing HDPVR output

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wagnerrp:

1080i at 4.4Mbps

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wagnerrp:

why....

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iamlindoro:

hah

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wagnerrp:

i mean come on, the standard def PVRs run at that by default in mythtv

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iamlindoro:

Means someone didn't up from the default

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wagnerrp:

default on the HDPVR is 4400?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

PeaceKeeper, cool, someone will eventually take a look

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wagnerrp:

theres something to add to that list on the ML

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PeaceKeeper:

Ok no problem, just wanted to update you. I wont bother anymore :)

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wagnerrp: Good call on monoprice. $10 for a 25ft cable. Should find out how well it works out by mid next week. Yay.

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rcampbel:

clean install of 0.22-fixes from mythbuntu repo on 9.04 ... getting all sorts of dependency hell issues with package upgrades — anyone else?

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rcampbel:

just for mythtv-0.22 packages

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wagnerrp:

more likely to get an answer in #mythbuntu

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rcampbel:

thanks!

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OpenSourceBrad_:

Hello, i need help. I went out and bought a hagppage 250 pci card, got it detected by mythtv... now i am stuck, I just want to view incomming video. what should i do next

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wagnerrp:

this the first time setting up myth?

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OpenSourceBrad_:

yes

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wagnerrp:

you read through the documentation?

[03:46:37]

OpenSourceBrad_:

no, could you direct me (or link) me to it?

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wagnerrp:

actually... you 'just want to view incoming video'

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wagnerrp:

what does that mean?

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wagnerrp:

you just want livetv? no recording capacity?

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OpenSourceBrad_:

yeah, componet in. like from a dvd

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wagnerrp:

the tvtime, or one of the other V4L applications for linux is probably better suited for you

[03:47:39]

wagnerrp:

and your card does not have component, best option is svideo

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OpenSourceBrad_:

You see i have a satalight box, and i don't think this hauppage 250 can decode satalight

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wagnerrp:

no, but again, you can hook it up to one of the svideo outputs

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OpenSourceBrad_:

I am intrested in the pvr, um, the card has a svideo, a componet (yellow?) and an svideo

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wagnerrp:

however if you dont intent to do scheduled recording of tv, mythtv is overkill

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wagnerrp:

yellow = composite

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OpenSourceBrad_:

I like the frontend tobehonest

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wagnerrp:

should i presume you know nothing of mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

if thats the case, you should read through this first... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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OpenSourceBrad_:

Alright, I am looking for a multimedia frontend, one that can pvr my satalight tv, excitue mame games (mythgame) and run my dvd's

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wagnerrp:

satellite

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OpenSourceBrad_:

sorry, satellite =)

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wagnerrp:

anyway, read that page. it will give you an idea where everything fits into mythtv

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is rather complex, its not just something you can install and run

[03:53:17]

wagnerrp:

beyond that, youve got the official documentation here... http://www.mythtv.org/docs

[03:53:38]

wagnerrp:

the wiki guide here... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Index

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wagnerrp:

and there is likely going to be a howto guide available for your specific distro

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OpenSourceBrad_:

I understand that, and i am reddy to add alot of time to this. I just built a amd 4000 athalon 64x 2x 4 gig ram with a 500gig hdd, with a nvidia 7800gt, I have the resourses, i just don't understand the backend

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OpenSourceBrad_:

thank you for the users manual i will take a read =)

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wagnerrp:

a 7800 is overkill

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wagnerrp:

a faster video card gets you exactly nothing with mythtv

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OpenSourceBrad_:

this is my old desktop actully

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wagnerrp:

(VDPAU and deinterlacers not withstanding)

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wagnerrp:

and MAME is not hardware accelerated

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wagnerrp:

you may want to pick up a cheap fanless nvidia, just so you dont have a vacuum cleaner sitting next to your tv

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OpenSourceBrad_:

it was what i had with my computer, actully the antec p180 case nulls the sound

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wagnerrp:

it quiets it, it doesnt null it (ive got three)

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OpenSourceBrad_:

regardless its what i am using

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OpenSourceBrad_:

lol not looking to fight here =) just trying to see some fruit lol

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wagnerrp:

well its something to consider in the future

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OpenSourceBrad_:

noted,

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mchou:

fry's is KILLING me!

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mchou:

it's crazy

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mchou:

$50 for a c2d proc and mobo

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emma:

hello

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emma:

what's happenin here?

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DjMadness_:

emma: basicly support, questions etc.

[04:05:03]

emma:

cool

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emma:

does everyone who uses myth-tv also by default use Ubuntu?

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iamlindoro:

no, not at all

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DjMadness_:

nopes... :)

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wagnerrp:

no... but everyone who uses mythbuntu also by default uses ubuntu

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mchou:

lol

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DjMadness_:

lol

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emma:

oh i thought myth-tv was mythbuntu

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DjMadness_:

i'd stick to my gentoo with mythtv :)

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brad2:

fedora here

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emma:

myth-tv is something different than mythbuntu?

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emma:

do any of you happen to use Ubuntu?

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iamlindoro:

yes. Mythbuntu is a distro built around Mythtv, which is a suite of applications

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu is one distro-specific version of mythtv

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emma:

I see.

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wagnerrp:

like linhes or knoppmyth

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iamlindoro:

or mythdora

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DjMadness_:

emma: mythbuntu is basicly an ubuntu distro with some mythtv apps and everything focused around mythtv rather than apps etc

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wagnerrp:

i thought mythdora turned into linhes

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, knoppmyth turned into LinHES

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wagnerrp:

ah

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iamlindoro: another for the burn pile... anyone who replies without the 'Re: ' prefix

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dserban__:

hmm... other than a hauppauge (which I can't find anymore), what other cards are good for sd?

[04:34:39]

wagnerrp:

any IVTV card

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wagnerrp:

(primarily the hauppauge PVRs)

[04:35:12]

wagnerrp:

theyre still readily available on ebay

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oobe:

(the ones he cant find)

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oobe:

yes i was gonna say that ebay you can find a pvr-250 for under 50$

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dserban__:

hah, yeah I've seen some but 39+ just for shipping is extraordinarily ehhh rape-like

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wagnerrp:

150 or 500 is preferred

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oobe:

i have a pvr-150 in my old box but its in storage

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wagnerrp:

occasionally ncix.com has them in stock

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oobe:

i will probably never see it again since i joined the witness protection program

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dserban__:

yeah 104 :o... i've been waiting for the sale on them heh... just bought one, then after I paid for it I get an email asking to add 17 for shipping...

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wagnerrp:

'brand new' card, second item in search on ebay

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wagnerrp:

$25 BIN, plus $10 shipping

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dserban__:

wagnerrp, ehh, what did you search for?

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wagnerrp:

'PVR-150'

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wagnerrp:

$2.47 for a used 500, but with 2 days left, i would expect that to go up considerably

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dserban__:

doesn't come up, maybe it doesn't ship to canada?

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wagnerrp:

i thought they still sold 150s retail in canada

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dserban__:

yep, just for mega inflated prices :s... ncix had 'em on for $39 but now at 104 gah

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squish102:

where do i find out if a ATI TV Wonder HD 600 USB is supported?

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wagnerrp:

linuxtv.org

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wagnerrp:

a bit late to the woot arent you?

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squish102:

thanks

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squish102:

ya, is it sold out?

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squish102:

and did it work with mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

by the way, compatibility is mentioned in both the mailing list, and the comments on woot.com

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squish102:

ahh, but too late :(

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squish102:

and i wonder if it did qam

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wagnerrp:

no

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squish102:

oh, ok, makes me feel better that i missed it

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[R]:

:(

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[R]:

stupid piece of crap video card

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jtmoney:

hey guys... i remember reading (and not bookmarking, unfortunately) an article on how you could make a few changes in mythtv's database to have it record specific shows... for example, you would select "record all" for mlb baseball, but go in and change something so that it only records games in which the yankees are playing... any ideas?

[05:09:26]

wagnerrp:

its not directly editing the database, but adding a record rule using a custom sql query

[05:10:18]

mangus580:

spent some time messing with my minmyth install today... hooked to an actual tv

[05:11:41]

wagnerrp:

jtmoney: its the 'custom record' option under 'schedule recordings'

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mangus580:

I am excited... cant wait to get it all up and going

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mangus580:

if I set a recording to: Find and record one showing of this title.

[05:13:18]

mangus580:

it will only record on copy of each episode of a series basically, right?

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iamlindoro:

no, it will record one showing of that show, period

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mangus580:

I thought thats what : # Record only this showing. was for?

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iamlindoro:

record only this showing is record that EXACT showing

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iamlindoro:

versus one showing, as scheduling permits

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oobe:

http://theyoungones.com/mythweb

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mangus580:

hmmm

[05:24:10]

oobe:

Name: theyoungones.com

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oobe:

Address: 127.0.0.1

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iamlindoro:

you should read the scheduling section of the manual

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mangus580:

yeah, gonna have to

[05:24:35]

mangus580:

because the wording on the choices doesnt seem to match up with what they really do then :-)

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mangus580:

at least in MY way of thinking

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iamlindoro:

You will need to change your way of thinking, they make sense ;)

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mangus580:

ummm these record types dont match what I see... http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.1

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iamlindoro:

are you using mythweb, or the frontend?

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mangus580:

mythweb at the moment

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iamlindoro:

so use the frontend, mythweb wording is different

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mangus580:

but i thought hte frontend matched mythweb

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iamlindoro:

frontend came first, and no

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mangus580:

there should be a method for recording only one episode! LOL

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iamlindoro:

There are, we just discussed *two* of them...

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mangus580:

well, let me rephrase that

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mangus580:

record every episode shown... but only once each

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iamlindoro:

There is...

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iamlindoro:

multiple ways of doing it, in fact

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iamlindoro:

read the manual

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mangus580:

ok I see them now

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mangus580:

once the names didnt match up for me, I skipped over some of the description

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mangus580:

so basically you ahve to WORK hard... to do what my stupid DVR does now... (records every showing of the title no matter what)

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oobe:

http://theyoungones.com look

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oobe:

nice URL for localhost mythweb

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mangus580:

comes up blank here

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jtmoney:

wagnerrp: thank you!

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mrdek11:

Hi all!

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mrdek11:

Does anybody have any experience with getting digital channels over the air here in the US? I'm trying to get my local digital channels using a wintv hvr 1600. I had previously used it to get digital channels from comcast, so I'm not sure what frequency or modulations I should be using. It can't find any channels whenever I search.

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wagnerrp:

oobe: nice... except that 127.0.0.1 is actually FASTER to type

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oobe:

browser history

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wagnerrp:

mrdek11: 8PSK

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wagnerrp:

oobe: the ip will show up in your browser history as well

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oobe:

i leave all my tabs open anyway and it restores

[05:54:58]

oobe:

yeah its just for vanity sake

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oobe:

looks nice

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oobe:

i just wondered about theyoungones as a domain and typed it in by fluke

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oobe:

and it brought up my mythweb

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wagnerrp:

$6/yr is a rather small price for vanity's sake

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mrdek11:

wagnerrp: I don't see 8psk, should it be in the list of modulations? I've got: qam-256, qam-128, qam-64, and 8-vsb

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wagnerrp:

err... 8-vsb

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wagnerrp:

my bad

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mrdek11:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

i think thats what i pay for my domain

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wagnerrp:

you can even run a DNS server locally with an unregistered domain

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mrdek11:

Maybe my card doesn't support it, I thought it did. I'm using the wintv hvr 1600. It's got an analog and a digital tuner, I figured the digital side was the side that'd get the digital ota channels

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wagnerrp:

supports ATSC

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oobe:

wagnerrp, except i dont pay for it someone else does

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oobe:

if i did i would think of somthing more appropriate

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oobe:

brb

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mrdek11:

yeah, it does support ATSC, but it can't find any channels. I assume it should be in the "us-bcast" frequency?

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wagnerrp:

well like i said, you could run your own DNS server locally, with an unregistered domain

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wagnerrp:

you pay nothing, it just does nothing outside your network

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wagnerrp:

correct

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mrdek11:

I wonder what I'm doing wrong... I'm searching for channels on the us-bcast frequencies using 8-vsb on the atsc tuner, can't find any channels

[06:01:24]

wagnerrp:

lack of sufficient antenna?

[06:01:53]

mrdek11:

Could be. I haven't checked it since I switched to comcast a few years ago. I'm going to feel really dumb if that's the problem ;)

[06:01:55]

mrdek11:

but it likely is :P

[06:01:59]

mrdek11:

Thanks for your help, I appreciate it!

[06:02:09]

wagnerrp:

its a rooftop yagi?

[06:02:58]

mrdek11:

I'm sort of an antenna noob. It's in the attic, judging by the pictures on google images, I think it's a "yagi"

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wagnerrp:

the triangle shaped thing

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mrdek11:

yup

[06:03:41]

wagnerrp:

anyway, one of those in the attic or roof should pick up anything in a decent range

[06:03:45]

mrdek11:

Could very likely be a bad connection between here and there since the switch to cable. I'll go check things out, and hopefully it'll work!

[06:03:54]

mrdek11:

Yeah, must just be a bad connection then.

[06:03:55]

wagnerrp:

assuming youre not in a hole

[06:04:06]

mrdek11:

Thanks again for your help! I'll come back and let you know what I find out

[06:04:27]

mrdek11:

It worked great before, and I assume digital channels come in clearer than analog

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oobe:

wagnerrp, good point you could make mythweb anything inside /etc/hosts

[06:04:52]

oobe:

i just was surprised to find a registered domain pointing at loopback

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justinh:

_ben: no I'm not picking up two transmitters. Apparently some areas are going to have duplicate BBC multiplexes until the actual analogue switchoff date or when HD tests begin :-\

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justinh:

ignore signal timeout – there's another one that could be enabled by default

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mrdek111:

Hey guys thanks for the help

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mrdek111:

Turns out it was the antenna. The line had a short near the end, so it was a simple fix, works perfectly now!

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oobe:

what do ppl think about this http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/ . . . /View/GE6426

[06:42:18]

oobe:

i think the price is awesome for full HD i cant see what would be wrong with it

[06:45:30]

[R]:

that seems very expensive

[06:45:37]

[R]:

oh... thats not USD

[06:45:39]

[R]:

what is that in USD?

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pat-:

yeah, that's pretty cheap for what they normally go for

[06:45:51]

oobe:

about $550

[06:46:13]

oobe:

the USD has gone down in value

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[R]:

yeah

[06:46:31]

[R]:

tahts pretty expensive

[06:46:45]

oobe:

hmm

[06:46:52]

oobe:

not here

[06:47:30]

pat-:

[R]: you have to have a local feel, usually 32" 1080 screens have gone for AU$1k in recent months and they've only started to come back down

[06:47:43]

[R]:

wow, thats insane

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oobe:

[R], you have any local store sites that can illistrate cheap

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[R]:

walmart.com

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[R]:

frys.com

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pat-:

oobe: from what I recall kogan.com.au was always very competitive

[06:49:11]

sid3windr:

:)

[06:49:25]

oobe:

pat-, no i meant USA local to him

[06:49:30]

** sid3windr paid 600 for a 40" 1080 9 months or so ago **

[06:49:38]

sid3windr:

EUR

[06:49:40]

sid3windr:

that is

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oobe:

thats 900 USD roughly

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oobe:

pat-, you an aussie

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oobe:

aussie aussie aussie

[06:54:49]

sid3windr:

let's throw some shrimp on the barbie! :>

[06:55:01]

pat-:

firstly, we don't call prawns shrimp

[06:55:10]

pat-:

and secondly we hardly ever bbq them

[06:57:30]

oobe:

yea but we could if we wanted

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pat-:

yeah, we could speak with american accents too if we wanted but it wouldn't make us smarter

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sid3windr:

I know, I know ;)

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sid3windr:

blame mick dundee ;)

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pat-:

before he became famous he worked as a painter painting the sydney harbour bridge

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pat-:

(which is a full time job, they finish then start at the beginning again)

[07:00:24]

oobe:

only cause the P.M keeps changing his mind about what color to make it

[07:00:25]

pat-:

truth is we do say g'day a lot, a fact I didn't realise until I first went overseas

[07:00:40]

oobe:

and we say bugger

[07:00:44]

oobe:

and mate

[07:00:56]

oobe:

gday me bugger mate

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pat-:

oobe: the paint colour is a listed as "sydney harbour bridge grey" in the paint catalogues

[07:01:12]

sid3windr:

and struh? :>

[07:01:16]

sid3windr:

*struth

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oobe:

pat-, im concerned that you know that

[07:01:31]

oobe:

sid3windr, ppl dont say strooth anymore

[07:01:38]

oobe:

im sure some do

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oobe:

crikey

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ddettman:

you guys are showing your age by blaming mick dundee, it's more steve irwin for the younger generation.

[07:02:11]

pat-:

nah, struth is only for foreigners to think we say, along with cobber

[07:02:11]

sid3windr:

oobe: lou in neighbours sure does!

[07:02:36]

oobe:

sid3windr, yeah but his character reflects a much older generation

[07:02:41]

sid3windr:

:)

[07:02:48]

oobe:

one that never watched american tv

[07:02:55]

oobe:

young ppl here say bro

[07:02:59]

oobe:

which shits me too

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sid3windr:

I used to watch neighbours when I was a kid

[07:03:08]

sid3windr:

its how I learned english!

[07:03:16]

sid3windr:

so I spoke australian when I was 8 :>

[07:03:19]

oobe:

where are you from sid3windr

[07:03:22]

sid3windr:

belgium

[07:03:30]

oobe:

nice

[07:03:49]

oobe:

http://theyoungones.com/mythweb/status

[07:04:29]

pat-:

I think the last time I watched neighbours scott and charlene were getting married

[07:05:02]

sid3windr:

woah

[07:05:13]

sid3windr:

that's about when I started to watch I think

[07:05:14]

sid3windr:

:p

[07:05:26]

sid3windr:

you're old :>

[07:05:50]

oobe:

i was about 8 years old then

[07:05:58]

oobe:

i do recall it

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sid3windr:

hehe

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sid3windr:

they moved to brisbane!

[07:06:09]

sid3windr:

I think.

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sid3windr:

see

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sid3windr:

I knew more about australian cities than belgian when I was 8 :>

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oobe:

lol

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pat-:

pat

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pat-:

good thing that was just the login name, not the password...

[07:15:06]

justinh:

heh. just found the packaging for my USB dvb-t tuner on my desk while I was having a tidyup. I'd totally forgotten it's a dual tuner model

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Memphisau:

so there's a few australians in here I take it

[07:16:13]

justinh:

oh yeah. can't get rid of them

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justinh:

;)

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Memphisau:

haha,

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Memphisau:

well I guess it will please you to know that just the other week I did "throw another prawn on the barbie" :P

[07:17:34]

justinh:

did it not fall through the grille? Oh wait no, all the radiation from UK nuclear tests makes all your seafood super-sized – I forgot :P

[07:17:45]

Memphisau:

and I have seen Steve Irwin a few times myself

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Memphisau:

lol yeah, you seen king tiger prawns?

[07:18:17]

justinh:

yes I have :)

[07:18:22]

justinh:

nomiliscious

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Memphisau:

indeed, best seafood in the world we have

[07:18:46]

justinh:

ugh. starting to read up on mysql joins

[07:18:47]

Memphisau:

though the kind crabs I had in japan weren't bad either

[07:18:59]

oobe:

justinh, how could you not make good use of a dual tuner?

[07:19:20]

justinh:

oobe: 1. it's USB

[07:19:24]

justinh:

2. It's USB

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justinh:

3. I only bought it to use with my dev box

[07:19:39]

Memphisau:

what's wrong with USB tuners?

[07:19:58]

justinh:

USB disconnects, that's what's wrong with USB tuners

[07:20:04]

justinh:

going missing unexpectedly

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Memphisau:

hasn't been much of an issue in my experience

[07:20:40]

oobe:

OH ITS USB

[07:20:45]

justinh:

no, but it can be an issue – and a very bothersome one for those who fall victim to it

[07:21:29]

Memphisau:

what are the chances of 2 raid1 drives failing in the same week? how about same day... I had 5 out of 6 drives die in one of my computers a few days back... seems to be more of an issue than USB tuners to me

[07:21:49]

justinh:

never seen the point in RAID for a DVR box

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Memphisau:

but I have theory to why that may have happened

[07:22:13]

Memphisau:

nah it was a workstation that dad uses... i've honestly never had 5 drives die in such quick succession

[07:22:22]

justinh:

HDD sizes have reached the point now where rebuilding the array takes so long that another HDD is likely to fail in the meantime

[07:22:42]

justinh:

speeds need to catch up again :)

[07:22:58]

Memphisau:

I think 1 drive died, probably shorted out the 5 or 12v rails to the 3.3V wire on the sata power cable, as all drives on that cable died

[07:23:06]

justinh:

heh

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Memphisau:

yeah I agree, speed needs to increase a bit

[07:23:51]

Memphisau:

but I'm still happy with ever increasing capacities and raid0/raid5 to increase speed where needed

[07:23:55]

** justinh polishes his imaginary storage crystal to improve throughput **

[07:24:28]

justinh:

oh, in the vast majority of scenarios you're unlikely to run into speed issues with single drives, even dealing with HDTV

[07:24:55]

justinh:

even the highest bitrate HD material could only touch 50Mbits/sec

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pat-:

king tiger prawns? we've got king prawns and tiger prawns, both are big.

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justinh:

*consumer* HD I mean. Cases where professionals use HD – e.g. editing & authoring.. they'll likely be using uncompressed HD so need > 1Gb/sec

[07:27:32]

justinh:

hmmm. I want to pull chanid, channum, name, xmltvid & mplexid from the channel table (easy) but reference it to dtv_multiplex to get the frequency out in the same line

[07:28:45]

justinh:

ahhh

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wagnerrp:

justinh, should be very easy to do

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justinh:

SELECT channel.chanid, channel.channum, channel.name, channel.xmltvid, dtv_multiplex.mplexid from channel, dtv_multiplex;

[07:30:03]

wagnerrp:

just list both tables, and add a cross reference like 'where channel.mplexid=dtv_multiplex.mplexid'

[07:30:25]

wagnerrp:

you only need to specify the table if there is such a column in both tables

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justinh:

ahh

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justinh:

SELECT chanid, channum, name, xmltvid, channel.mplexid, frequency from channel, dtv_multiplex where channel.mplexid=dtv_multiplex.mplexid; works nicely thanks :)

[07:33:13]

wagnerrp:

or you can do something like 'FROM channel JOIN dtv_multiplex ON channel.mplex=dtv_multiplex.mplex' if you only want to use the latter table in the where clause, rather than return data

[07:33:49]

wagnerrp:

im not sure the purpose of that in a select, maybe some form of optimization

[07:33:57]

Memphisau:

Pat-: Hmm, I was under the impression they were King tigers when they were large tiger prawns :p

[07:34:00]

wagnerrp:

but it lets you reference other tables in a delete, without deleting them

[07:34:28]

wagnerrp:

if you list them both on the FROM, the respective lines from both get deleted

[07:34:37]

Hideki:

Hi, Not used MytvTV before, How do I get mythtv to listen on port 6546 for wireless remote connections? it's a fresh mythbuntu install and seems to be listening only on 6543 and 6544, I have an Android MID with a mythtv remote app but it's wanting to connect to port 6546, tried looking through the docs/ml archive but can only seem to find IR remote related information...

[07:34:47]

justinh:

wagnerrp: trying to come up with script ideas to help sort out the mess caused by our dvb-t restructuring here

[07:35:18]

justinh:

port 6546 is the telnet interface

[07:35:20]

wagnerrp:

Hideki: port 6546 is the frontend control socket, if you want to use it, you have to enable it in the frontend

[07:35:29]

justinh:

you need to spe.. what wagnerrp said :)

[07:35:48]

justinh:

enable it, and *restart* mythfrontend

[07:35:56]

Hideki:

ahh, thanks, I'll have a look now

[07:36:06]

justinh:

utils/setup > general .. somewhere

[07:36:53]

wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html@ss11.6

[07:36:58]

wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.6

[07:37:56]

Hideki:

ahh, working now, ty

[07:38:09]

justinh:

waste of a good phone, using it as a remote :P

[07:38:38]

Hideki:

it's not a phone, it's a MID

[07:38:53]

Hideki:

I have a media center remote but being a bad chinese copy it hardly works

[07:38:54]

pat-:

Memphisau: sometimes they get mixed together when they are caught, but the tiger ones are stripey (suprisingly) and the king ones are just pink. And they taste best when they've just come off the trawler and have been cooked in seawater on the way in

[07:39:01]

justinh:

same diff

[07:39:11]

wagnerrp:

they make android devices for not-telephony?

[07:39:23]

Memphisau:

ah that's probably it, it was probably king/tiger prawns at the places we went

[07:39:23]

Hideki:

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Hideki:

well, as long as you don't mind ordering it from china

[07:39:39]

wagnerrp:

you dont otherwise have a real remote?

[07:39:43]

Memphisau:

yeah freshest is best in the case of seafood

[07:40:01]

Hideki:

I have a media center remote but it's a clone and doesn't seem to want to work properly

[07:40:11]

wagnerrp:

what version of LIRC?

[07:40:26]

Hideki:

the problem is the remote itself, I've had difficulties with it before in other things

[07:40:53]

Hideki:

cursors work but almost nothing else does

[07:41:06]

wagnerrp:

cursors? what cursors?

[07:41:15]

justinh:

the arrow buttons you mean?

[07:41:16]

Hideki:

directional controls?

[07:41:21]

justinh:

should be easy to sort out

[07:41:40]

Hideki:

speed link it says on it

[07:41:51]

justinh:

another case where predefined config files can't be relied on for all remotes

[07:41:53]

Hideki:

but if that can be made to wrok, I'm all for it, one sec while I ssh in

[07:42:15]

wagnerrp:

well the MCE stuff is supposed to be hard-coded in the driver

[07:42:17]

justinh:

Hideki: with lircd running, run irw in a terminal & press buttons on the remote

[07:42:58]

justinh:

wagnerrp: that doesn't account for people making their own 'special' files with renamed functions & putting them online ;)

[07:43:24]

mchou:

no, the MCE remotes are mapped to xevents

[07:43:37]

Hideki:

a lot of nothing happening there

[07:43:41]

mchou:

just like a USB keyboard

[07:43:49]

justinh:

Hideki: try all the buttons. if all work, then the definitions in ~/.mythtv/lircrc and/or ~/.lircrc are screwy

[07:43:54]

wagnerrp:

could have fooled me

[07:43:59]

mchou:

Hideki: the is a MCE USB receiver?

[07:44:00]

Hideki:

no output from irw at all when pressing buttons

[07:44:09]

mchou:

this*

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justinh:

not even the ones that work in mythtv?

[07:44:23]

Hideki:

no, it's a cheap chinese clone as I mentioned, name on it is speedlink, supposed to be microsoft compatible but only seems to work in windows

[07:44:36]

Hideki:

doesn't require drivers in windows mind so you'd think it was fairly near

[07:44:41]

justinh:

I thought you said the directional stuff worked

[07:44:44]

wagnerrp:

my mce remotes work just like any other LIRC device

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mchou:

Hideki: run xev

[07:44:54]

Hideki:

yes, but I think it sends keyboard presses for the directional controls

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wagnerrp:

maybe the mceusb2 stuff works differently from the older remotes...

[07:45:08]

justinh:

ok then. stop lirc & run mode2

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mchou:

Hideki: MCE-type remotes dont need to go thru lirc

[07:45:36]

mchou:

Hideki: cause they generate kb events

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justinh:

if mode2 works you can probably try using irrecord to build a good lircd.conf file

[07:45:51]

Hideki:

xev is giving output on buttons

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justinh:

lircd.conf is the file which defines which 'presses' are relayed from lirc for a given button code

[07:46:17]

wagnerrp:

then you have to go through and remap myth's keyboard bindings

[07:46:26]

mchou:

Hideki: there you go. STop messing with lirc

[07:46:32]

wagnerrp:

do match what you want your remote buttons to do

[07:46:38]

justinh:

or you can do some funky stuff with lirc :)

[07:47:00]

Hideki:

oh I see, this remote is just sending keycodes

[07:47:04]

mchou:

Hideki: if they generate xevents theres no need to go thru lirc layer

[07:47:19]

justinh:

lots do

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mchou:

Hideki: afaik that how ALL MCE remotes work

[07:47:28]

justinh:

but lirc can still use them too

[07:47:33]

justinh:

saves remapping keys

[07:48:05]

wagnerrp:

well you otherwise have to remap the lircrc

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mchou:

you keystone kops dont know what you're doing

[07:48:26]

justinh:

I'd sooner mess with lircrc than xev crap

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mchou:

lol

[07:48:52]

justinh:

like, it'll bugger things up if you want to be able to use a real keyboard too, no?

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justinh:

or can you remap keys per device?

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mchou:

justinh: you just dont know when to quit, do you?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: If you're still interested in a 240e 45W dual-core, newegg should have them tomorrow--because I'm giving up and order the 65W 240 tonight.

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wagnerrp:

i probably will be in a month or so

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justinh:

lol @ google's banner today

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wagnerrp:

they had big bird up yesterday

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justinh:

just as well my wife didn't see it then

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justinh:

she has a mortal fear of big bird

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wagnerrp:

well, just the legs

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justinh:

that'd be enough

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wagnerrp:

she could have imagined he was lopped off at the knees

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justinh:

some repressed memory, I figure

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justinh:

just reminded me of a family guy episode where bert & ernie are featured. bert is an alcoholic. lol

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wagnerrp:

maybe something like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH53ofk5ESk

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Gumby:

is there somewhere I can look to figure out why mythfilldatabase isnt filling the database with data?

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justinh:

lol no. I figure maybe something happened while big bird was on TV at home – along those kind of lines. I don't dig

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justinh:

Gumby: backend log?

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justinh:

run mythfilldatabase from a terminal ?

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justinh:

look at the status page in mythweb & see if there's an error code returned?

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sphery:

and note that if it's a new setup, it may well be filling the DB, but if those channels aren't properly hooked up to inputs, you won't see the data through the EPG

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Gumby:

hrmmm... here is what shows in mythbackend log when I try to view the guide http://pastebin.ca/1658056

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wagnerrp:

this is 0.21?

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Gumby:

yes

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wagnerrp:

looks like its trying to open the file for live-preview, and failing

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wagnerrp:

preventing the rest of the guide from displaying

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wagnerrp:

are you sure there is otherwise no guide data?

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Gumby:

I checked the program db. last data was from oct 31 I believe

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wagnerrp:

apparently the files it is trying to open are on a backend that do not exist

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wagnerrp:

like you have recently changed hostnames

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wagnerrp:

you moved the hostname in the settings table

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wagnerrp:

but did not migrate the recordings as well

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justinh:

ffs. that Vivanco 'DVB-T2' tuner should be renamed

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Gumby:

hrm.. I havent migrated anything nor have I changed hostnames

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wagnerrp:

ever?

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justinh:

arghh. a card manufacturer has said of dvb-t2: "Unfortunately DVB-T2 is a peculiarly UK rollout. The UK is currently the only place worldwide with near term plans to use T2. This means that there is no worldwide drive for chipset manufacturers to provide DVB-T2 solutions and none are currently available for the PC arena."

[08:04:55]

wagnerrp:

do you have some very old recordings from before storage groups?

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Gumby:

wagnerrp: not that I can remember on this box.

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Gumby:

let me check

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justinh:

so, no freeview HD on PCs for a considerable amount of time

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wagnerrp:

anyway, you should be checking your backend logs as to why mfd has been failing

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Gumby:

ah shoot

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Gumby:

my dns was set wrong :(

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Gumby:

yet another user error :)

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oobe:

jamu

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justinh:

wonder why the icon downloader is having problems with channel names containing spaces

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justinh:

and if it's possible to have a "hey, I've seen the icon I want in the list already, stop downloading more choices"

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justinh:

select count(distinct frequency) as frequency from dtv_multiplex; reveals we have *seven* muxes in the Granada region now

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justinh:

god, I just can't get used to terra having a darker font to indicate the selected item

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justinh:

it's completely the opposite to the way my brain is wired up

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justinh:

just been told off for labelling my desk-side bin "suggestion box"

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ja1981:

one

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justinh:

two

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ja1981:

four

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justinh:

eight

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justinh:

that's numberwang!

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ja1981:

Sixteen

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justinh:

that's wangernumb!

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ja1981:

What do you guys think of Mediaportal? Iknow its not for linux but still.

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justinh:

what difference does it make what we think of MediaPortal?

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justinh:

I've tried it in the past. I found it very slow, resource hungry and was a bitch to get working

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justinh:

and yes, that's even compared to mythtv

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justinh:

it might be the best thing going on windows for DVR software but that ain't saying much

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ja1981:

im running MP now but i used to run Myth, i really liked myth but it was auful to set up

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justinh:

so ...?

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sid3windr:

auful!

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Dibblah:

100 mails on the "proposed settings rework" thread :)

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justinh:

arghh. have to try to find an alternative supplier for our slimline sata power connector.

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justinh:

****ing Molex & their stupid lead times!

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justinh:

hang on isn't this the job of the *purchasing& dept?!

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bsusa:

hello all

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bsusa:

im having a recent issue with tuning my tv cards, when i tune the channel i get a high signal strength but no signal/noise, same for both cards

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bsusa:

when its connected to my Set Top Box channels are all good so it cant be an issue with the connection,cables antenna etc

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bsusa:

any reccommendations please?

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oobe:

what type of tuner are you using

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bsusa:

I have a Twinhan DVB-T and a ASUS U3000 Mini

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bsusa:

The twinhan has been working well before, i just connected the Asus one to test if something was wrong with the twinhan but same problem with both

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oobe:

yes its most likely not the tuner was wondering what you were using i.e digital or analogue or other

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oobe:

snr woops

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oobe:

have you tried tuning with scan or tzap

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oobe:

22 has issues with channel scanning you have to add the transports manually

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oobe:

anyway a good way to diagnose problems is using dvb-apps to checking scanning and tuning

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justinh:

a good way.. the *best* way :)

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bsusa:

i havnt used those two

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justinh:

not even to confirm the hardware works first?

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oobe:

bsusa, if your using ubuntu you can install the package using sudo apt-get install dvb-apps

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oobe:

bsusa, http://turtlespond.net/scripts/dvb-t.html

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oobe:

justinh, somthing blah blah

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bsusa:

justinh: they worked fine before

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bsusa:

i have dvb-apps but im not sure how to run it, is it command line based

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justinh:

so? you might've upgraded distro since then

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bsusa:

nope

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laga:

bsusa: they come with a manual

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bsusa:

nothing has been changed

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oobe:

bsusa, i know exactly why you dont know how to run it

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oobe:

cause you didnt read the web page i gave you

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bsusa:

the only thing that i can think of is that 4 way splitter in the wall

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oobe:

bsusa, i would try removing that

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oobe:

as a test

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bsusa:

tru, thing is the STB is connected to it and it gets all the channels

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bsusa:

its weird

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oobe:

you might need a signal splitter and amplifier if it works when you remove it

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bsusa:

have an amp on it as well

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oobe:

pc tuners are slightly harder to tune

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bsusa:

maybe, i didnt change the software side that the thing

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oobe:

well do the tests i told you about

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oobe:

by reading that page for about 2 mins

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pat-:

ok, so for a user like me who has all the features they require with 0.21 the upgrade to 0.22 will just provide a fancier UI. Is this worth it for the sake of an upgrade? (what I've got never crashes or has any bugs with how I use it)

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mchou:

pat-: no

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mchou:

pat-: resist the temptation

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mchou:

pat-: dont mess with it

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mchou:

not to mention I never understand the logic of upgrading during the fall TV season

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mchou:

makes no sense whatsoever

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bsusa:

i get No such file or directory Cannot open capture device /dev/video0 when i open a tv channel scanner

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pat-:

mchou, australia doesn't have a fall tv season as such

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mchou:

best time to upgrade is during summer when it's all repeats

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mchou:

pat-: yeah, you aussies a going down with global warming

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mchou:

s/a/are

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pat-:

yeah

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mchou:

can you say parched and hungry?

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pat-:

actually it is getting near the time when .au tv is all repeats

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pat-:

(we just had a storm, and it is raining gently at the moment)

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mchou:

bah

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pat-:

there's still a heck of a lightning show out the back

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mchou:

run off

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mchou:

at the rate you guys are going you gonna have to grow wheat in greenhouses

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mchou:

water conservation

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justinh:

aliens, being zapped down in their pods!

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pat-:

bah, we had a good rain season last year

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pat-:

and our dams in brisbane are mostly full again

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pat-:

droughts and flooding rain, that's the typical pattern

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bsusa:

thanks guys gtg ill look into it

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bsusa:

niight

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BlueSteel_:

tried turning it off and on again?

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BlueSteel_:

hmm, nevermind.. was a few pages up and forgot to scroll down

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_ben:

is it possible to get iplayer working with myth?

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justinh:

nope

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_ben:

http://code.google.com/p/mythvodka/issues/detail?id=7#c0

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_ben:

heh

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justinh:

messy though

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justinh:

and not at all what I'd call 'with'

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_ben:

yeah

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justinh:

it transcodes the streams to mpeg2 despite the fact myth can play them directly AFAIK

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oobe:

rofl @ <_ben> http://code.google.com/p/mythvodka/issues/detail?id=7#c0

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oobe:

i think i have seen other wierd messages mentioned

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jarle:

Is 0.22 now considered stable? In other words, is it time to upgrade from 0.21?

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_ben:

i consider it stable, but .22 is still at RC stage

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jarle:

_ben: has a 0.23 dev branch been started yet?

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oobe:

trunk is always the branch of the next release

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oobe:

i.e 22 branch only just got created

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oobe:

and .23 branch wont exist until unknown amount of time

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antgel:

for those of you following my woes, have plugged in a sky box and was same situation – no low band (astra 2d)

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antgel:

have been downstairs and plugged my flat's (mislabeled) cables into another multiswitch, and we're go go go

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antgel:

so now to do a channel scan, configure the display and remote on this antec fusion black, then maybe actually watch some tv!

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Dibblah:

A multiswitch will not truly help you unless you have a quattro.

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Dibblah:

There's 4 possible states – Hi / Low + H / V.

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antgel:

Dibblah: i don't think you've been following. this is a new-build block of flats with a faulty multiswitch and mis-labelled cables leading into it *sigh*

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Dibblah:

The multiswitch is attached to the dish by 4 cables?

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Dibblah:

If not – it's been missold.

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antgel:

don't know. there are 4 cables out of it that lead *somewhere* :D

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Dibblah:

... A guess would be to a dish ;)

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antgel:

they've gotten so much else wrong, who knows. i mean when you buy a new flat, you don't expect to have to debug the installation

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Dibblah:

Heh. Not bought much new property before? ;)

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antgel:

no :D

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antgel:

but yes, there are 4 cables running out, VL, VH, HL, HH

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Dibblah:

If they're connected to a quattro, they need to be the right way round – Each element is distinct.

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antgel:

hmm, that's weird. at the end of my channel scan it's not asking me if i want to save the channels. any clues?

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SubSpawn:

are there ppl here using the new ION boards with VPDAU for 1080p? if so what are your experiences? I'm intrested too :)à

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mchou:

SubSpawn: what kind of "new?" New as in Via?

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SubSpawn:

I mean the Intel Atom + Nvidia ION Combo

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SubSpawn:

is it coming to Via too? I read the new Nano is going to be faster and less power consuming than Atom

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mchou:

Via has been rumoured in the works

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mchou:

but reall all this stuff is obsolete even before they come out

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mchou:

really*

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mchou:

cause for $100 you get a NMT with a bluray player chip inside

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SubSpawn:

probably, I do have a bit more faith in intel for these things too, as motherboards using c3 and epia had a bad history of leaky condensators

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SubSpawn:

nmt's don't run mythtv yet (afaik) :(

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mchou:

they dont need to if they do upnp

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mchou:

and it's pretty easy to add skip commercial functionality to mythbackend for upnp

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SubSpawn:

mmm stream from backend to the player you mean?

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mchou:

skip to next track :)

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mchou:

SubSpawn: yup

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SubSpawn:

didn't really look into that yet, maybe there's actually a good use for upnp then :)

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mchou:

hell ya

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SubSpawn:

didn't really like the protocol as it was well ehm.. linked to a various load of insecurities

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SubSpawn:

but thanks, I'll have a look at it :)

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mchou:

umm, this is only on you LAN

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mchou:

your*

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mchou:

if you have insecurities there you have other issues :)

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mchou:

it's not like you enable upnp on your router/firewall

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SubSpawn:

exactly that :) don't like it on my router

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mchou:

NMTs are coming down in price even as we speak

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mchou:

Via/ION is still vaporware

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SubSpawn:

mm yea there was a new israeli company developing an nmt as well

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SubSpawn:

will be intresting, as many good code comes from israel

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SubSpawn:

Dune HD I think it is

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GreyFoxx:

Any Zota ION users here ?

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mchou:

are ions on sale today? :)

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GreyFoxx:

No idea, but I have to get a lot of them for a work project :)

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GreyFoxx:

mostly wanted to talk to people using them before I commit to buying more than a couple for testing :)

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Dibblah:

Do you need a specific ion?

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Dibblah:

H+ is quite easy to generate. ;)

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laga:

Dibblah: argh

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Dibblah:

The old ones are the... oldest.

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: seriously, if this is for work why not just try one out

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: I mean work should foot the bill for that, right?

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GreyFoxx:

yeah but onlya fool doesn't research his hardware choices first by talking to someone who currently uses it :)

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GreyFoxx:

I don't like wasting my time if the hardware was a bad choice :)

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GreyFoxx:

regardless of who pays :)

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GreyFoxx:

And you can't trust vendors since according to them their products are all rainbows and kittens

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mchou:

I dunno if newegg censors reviews

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GreyFoxx:

This project will be using VDPAU, and the onboard wireless (if I go with that board) and I just want to find out what if any problems users have had with them

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mchou:

it's possible, but judging by the vendor presence on the board wheneve a scathing user review comes along, I'm inclined to give newegg reviews the benefit of doubt

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** GreyFoxx wonders if they support custom boot bmp's even during the bios post **

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laga:

you surely have interesting projects for someone working at an ISP ;)

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GreyFoxx:

laga: A colo/webhost/wireless+fibre ISP + Voip Telephone company :)

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justinh:

who in the hell decided we should have slimline optical drives in a 2U high product

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GreyFoxx:

We do a large variety of stuff :) and the project I have infront of me now is potentionally very large and something I would actually enjoy :)

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justinh:

told them the slimline sata power connectors were on > 4 month lead times but no

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justinh:

aunting morons

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: seriously, for work $200 is petty cash

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GreyFoxx:

and would make some sales guys day at whatever place I order the hardware from

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laga:

it does sound like i would enjoy it as well :)

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: if you're really contemplating that large an order I'm sure you could get samples

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GreyFoxx:

mchou: I don't see how my wanting to ask a current Zotac ION user some questions about their usages of the boards is more than a few hours delay. I have a unit ordered already

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ExElNeT:

heya. i bought a technotrend 1600 budget and am now trying to scan for channels using mythtv 22 rc2. but somehow i wont get any channel. the log: http://pastebin.com/m1ba27409 the card is connected to a multiswitch with hotbird and astra

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justinh:

ExElNeT: try using dvb-utils scan first

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brad3:

greyfoxx: once you start testing, i would love to hear your feedback on that board. I was pondering buying one myself, but havne't found anyone who uses it yet

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ExElNeT:

justinh: dvbscan /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/Hotbird-13.0E works fine

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justinh:

ExElNeT: you need to enter an initial transponder to tune to

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justinh:

ExElNeT: your switch & LNBs must also be configured in the capture cards section of mythtv-setup

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ExElNeT:

i tried the first one in cat /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/Hot..

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ExElNeT:

justinh: maybe my problem lays there... i am not 100% sure what to use there... i have diseqc 2.0 switch 9/8

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ExElNeT:

s/lays/lies/ :=)

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GreyFoxx:

brad3: Sure :)

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brad3:

grey: can you tell us a bit more about your project? It sounds interesting :>

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GreyFoxx:

not really at the moment, other than it require lots of them. playing h264 720p content

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GreyFoxx:

Doh, gotta run to a meeting

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ExElNeT:

hmm dvbscan works fine with both diseqc switch positions... hostbird (0) and astra(1)

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ExElNeT:

and another thing... how can i change the language of mythtv-setup? german output wont help much when debugging ^^

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ExElNeT:

ok i found the language thing in the database...

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ExElNeT:

here is the new english output: http://pastebin.com/mfebf6dc

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jams:

well that stinks..nvidia drivers 1.9 do not work with my multimonitor setup

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jams:

likes to crash a lot & refuses to allow the mouse to work in some screens

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laga:

1.9? they have different version numbers now?

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jams:

ooph meant 190

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mersault:

So, just so I don't waste my time re-doing a bunch of jamu mass imports: jamu only operates based on files already scanned into the mythvideo db, and only operates on the filenames and the existing db metadata, correct? It will ignore the directory structure. However, mythvideo itself DOES consider the directory structure when scanning in new files. So the best bets are to either include all the data necessary for jamu in the f

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mersault:

ilename, or to scan the file first with mythvideo, correct?

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: Jamu will add non-scanned file. Jamu's ability to add the correct metadata is facilitated by what it can parse from the filenames,

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: Both Jamu and MythVideo require a reference number from either TMDB or TVDB to actually download the metadata and graphics. Jamu uses the -MI option (interactive mode) to select the correct reference number.

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mersault:

Okay. I've found Jamu was about 75% successful with movies, so it's just TV shows that I'm trying to get imported cleanly

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mersault:

if I add the show name to the start of each filename, then Jamu should be significantly more successful, correct?

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: MythVideo will parse information from the directory structure while Jamu only uses the filename.

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: correct

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mersault:

previously I'd used a directory structure like: Show Name/Season #/#x## – Episode Name

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mersault:

Which mythvideo was fine with, but did not work with Jamu

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: For jamu that will not work.

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mersault:

But a simple 'for i in *; do mv "$i" "Show Name – $i"; done' done in each directory should make them jamu compliant, so to say

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: I am curious what you meant by Jamu being 75% successful for movies.

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brad3:

hey rdv, any chance you are on rogers cable?

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: Just renaming one and try

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RDV_Linux:

brad3: yes on Rogers

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brad3:

RDV: last time we talked, you mention you force your STB to output 720p into of 1080i, how do you do that?

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mersault:

RDV_Linux, it got about 75% of them right without my intervention or where the first option was right. The rest required me to surf IMDB myself and grab the IMDB number

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mersault:

How do I get Jamu to run on just a single directory or file? I haven't seen those options

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RDV_Linux:

brad3: From the STB menu itself "Settings->Picture Format" set to 720p

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brad3:

thanks, hoping this will help with my avide-mux woes :)

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** mersault is thinking it might be good to light up a second mythbackend VM and give it just a few files to play around with, rather than working on the 'production' myth system **

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: Once you have all your IMDB/TVDB for all your videos set then use jamu like: ./jamu -MI "self.ovr_title" "self.ovr_title"

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: Or you can add the -S (simulation) option, but a separate test environment is always good.

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RDV_Linux:

brad3: What version of avidemux are you using. I have a self compiled 2.4 SVN which works but the v2.5 that came with Ubuntu Karmic did not work. It is missing some audio codec.

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brad3:

hmm that's a good tip

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brad3:

i'm using 2.5 the newest version from their trunk

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brad3:

it seems to segfault when i do that AVI copy for on 1080p recordings

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brad3:

err 1080i, 1080something

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brad3:

so going to try your 720p approach

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RDV_Linux:

brad3: I never for avidemux working with any 1080(i/p) videos period.

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brad3:

so i just checked my cable box

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brad3:

on picture format i have

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brad3:

fixed, pass-through, upconvert1,upconvert2

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brad3:

but no 720p

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brad3:

do you know which rogers box you have?

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brad3:

hmm google says upconvert2 is 720p

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brad3:

will give it a shot

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RDV_Linux:

brad3: Did you go into the "Settings" ONLY one jet press. Then scroll down 5 to "Picture Format" right under "Parent Control". I think you hot the Settings button twice to get advanced Settings.

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brad3:

oh i did

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RDV_Linux:

s/jet/hit/

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brad3:

good call

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brad3:

let me go look again

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brad3:

so under the advanced settings that i just changed, what do you have it is? Fixed?

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RDV_Linux:

brad3: Which setting?

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brad3:

advanced settings — picture format (options are fixed, pass-through, upconvert1,upconvert2)

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RDV_Linux:

Just a second and I will check.

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RDV_Linux:

brad3: Fixed

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brad3:

hmmm under parentl control, i only have "Picture Size"

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brad3:

no picture format

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brad3:

and my options are normal, stretched, zoom

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brad3:

i woner if i have a diff box than you?

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RDV_Linux:

What model do you have?

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RDV_Linux:

brad3: For me "Picture Format" is right between "Parental Control" and "Picture Size"

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brad3:

hmmm yeah i don't have that, for some odd reason

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brad3:

i do have picture format in advanced settings, but no 720p option

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brad3:

which bos do you have, if you dont mind me asking?

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brad3:

box even

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RDV_Linux:

brad3: You do have an STB model starting with "HD"?

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brad3:

explorer 4250HD

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RDV_Linux:

brad3: Different model then mine. I suspect you could find the guide (pdf) on the net and see if that has better details.

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brad3:

thanks, will try that

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brad3:

appreciate your help

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RDV_Linux:

brad3: I thought the 4250HD has HDMI out and it cut off component if used. Could be wrong.

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brad3:

it has both

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brad3:

i remember being worried when i left the store

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brad3:

that it wouldn't work with hdpvr

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brad3:

but it works good (aside from this 720p) thing

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brad3:

so i checked my other rogers box 3250HD, and it doesn't have the setting you are describing either

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brad3:

what box do you have?

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brad3:

hmmm

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brad3:

google says again the upconvert2 is 720p

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brad3:

could i be doing something wrong with the hdpvr? outputing a 720p signal, but my hd pvr records it at 1080i (and adds a bunch of useless crap to it?)

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iamlindoro:

no, the HD-PVR can only record at input resolution

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brad3:

hmmm

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brad3:

stupid rogers box!

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brad3:

piece o' crap

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brad3:

how are you doing today iamlindoro?

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smithzv:

I have been having this issue of offset channels since day light savings time. Not sure what to do, any thoughts?

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smithzv:

all of my channels are off by one hour, but only on the current day. One day ahead, things are right

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trumee:

anybody knows when 0.22 final will be released?

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GreyFoxx:

No, but it will be soon

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iamlindoro:

The Myth devs don't, so the odds of anyone else knowing are 0

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brad3:

.22 will probably be released sometime before 2020, anything else is just a sneakpreview

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brad3:

;)

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superm1:

janneg, do you have any ideas on 7493? it's really making a bad experience unfortunately, or should I check with mark_k?

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sphery:

superm1: Last I remember markk had done some testing and found that after system memory was used to a certain point, all VDPAU init would fail. Graphics memory may also come into play. He could definitely give more/better info.

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superm1:

sphery, hmm, well that's really odd then. i can definitely kill mythfrontend and restart it and get things working

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superm1:

so perhaps something isn't properly being cleaned up after

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sphery:

more that something is in use after using mfe for a while and not yet in use when it's just restarted

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sphery:

though he and others are looking for leaks

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sphery:

there are no huge/obvious leaks that were noticed in initial testing

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superm1:

i'll ask him if he's got some more insight and/or needs some more data to help figure out what's going on

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gizmobay:

When I first start LiveTV on a multi-tuner system, the first channel doesn't display any listings for the channel. Anyone else see this?

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sphery:

gizmobay: that means you have disconnected channels--broken Input Connections configuration. Easiest fix is to Delete all video sources and then reconfigure (yes, it's easiest to redo that from scratch than to find out what specific piece of data is broken and then try to fix it). http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (Just the video sources portion.)

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scootyinor:

I'm having an issue where everytime I run mythfilldatabase it seems to "crash" my program table in the DB and the programs do not update. I repair the table and try again and the same thing happens. I can do an insert manually into the table after the repair myself it just seems to be something funky once I run mythfilldatabse, any thoughts?

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Dagmar:

If it's trashing the database you have a mysql problem

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Dagmar:

...an extreme one

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gizmobay:

thanks sphery, I just did all this last week and I still have the problem. I've notice this since day one of me using mythtv. Once I tune the second channel I'll always get popup info on a channel change

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scootyinor:

I was thinking about dropping the programs table and re-creating it.

[19:31:05]

scootyinor:

it jsut seems to be that table only

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OpenSourceBrad:

Hello, I got a quick question, I don't have cable, i have satelite so I can really only get one channel at a time, (based on what the satellite sends) Im just wondering if there is a better way i can set up my desktop or myth tv settings to get the most out of having to use a seprate satellite?

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scootyinor:

I;m using the 0.22 RC I've been using the beta code for VDPAU for awhile now an dit's happened off and on, this time it's just not getting corrected

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sphery:

gizmobay: that would indicate that you've always misconfigured your Input Connections. :)

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sphery:

gizmobay: you could get this, for example, by scanning analog channels or by running a scan for digital channels and then no properly setting xmltvid for all channels before running mythfilldatabase

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sphery:

scootyinor: A better approach is to repair your tables, then immediately (with no applications running against the mythconverg database--i.e. make sure you shut down all backends and frontends and don't hit any MythWeb pages) do a full database backup, then drop the database, then do a full restore. It will recreate all the DB tables with all the data. See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore .

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sphery:

scootyinor: also, might be worth running a file system check after doing the backup and before doing the restore

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scootyinor:

I'll give it a shot, thanks

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sphery:

good luck--hope it fixes the issue

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gizmobay:

I use fetch listings from channel source

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gizmobay:

I never set xmltvid so this must be my problem

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gizmobay:

How do I do it correctly?

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sphery:

if doing fetch listings, you don't need to set xmltvid

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sphery:

if you do a scan, though, you may need to

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gizmobay:

On my OTA, I scanned for channels

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sphery:

if you just do fetch listings and never scan, then it may be as simple as having a card configuration problem on the card with the highest- or lowest-numbered input

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sphery:

(i.e. the one you connected first if "Avoid conflicts between LiveTV and recordings" is disabled or the one you connected last if it's enabled)

[19:43:46]

sphery:

though it really sounds like having extra channels or extra video sources

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gizmobay:

But I don't get why just for the first channel tune I don't get any guide info.

[19:44:04]

sphery:

but it may just be having the wrong input set as the default input

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sphery:

try going into LiveTV an getting the initial no-data situation

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sphery:

then use MENU to switch inputs (on the same card)

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sphery:

then if you have info and are on the same card, exit LiveTV

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sphery:

then see what happens

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gizmobay:

I don't have the same tuner as an option under menu

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gizmobay:

under switch inputs

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iamlindoro:

http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=143 . . . cid=29997728

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iamlindoro:

Some people will find a forum to complain anywhere

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iamlindoro:

Funny thing is I remember this guy and it *was* his fault

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7446

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janneg:

iamlindoro: don't be rude, he doesn't even has a skin ;)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I remember that

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OpenSourceBrad:

how easy is it to use a 1/8" mono ir blaster with mythtv?

[19:59:44]

GreyFoxx:

I think I was the guy who bugged him over and over for debug output

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: hehe

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GreyFoxx:

and he kept refusing to give it until finally I said I wouldn't help if he wouldn't provide it

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iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2009-10-28

[20:00:29]

iamlindoro:

Very top of that day

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iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2009-10-27

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iamlindoro:

very bottom of that one

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iamlindoro:

BitS: I am a dumbass for using a mythtv port as the mysql port

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janneg:

and telling someone that it's his own fault is apparrently rude

[20:01:13]

GreyFoxx:

Ok, I'm thinking of someone else

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iamlindoro:

So he acknowledges he was a dumbass, waits 9 days, and bitches on /.

[20:02:51]

GreyFoxx:

I'm tempted to reply to him on slashdot :)

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_ben:

i wouldn't tbh

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_ben:

it's not like he'll read and comprehend it

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GreyFoxx:

It's not for his benefit

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GreyFoxx:

But if you are going to shit on someone or group publically then expect them to point out "facts" that show that your current story doesn't match the original events

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dmz:

anyone here using minimyth with backend enabled?

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iamlindoro:

Heh, so turns out the abusive behavior in question happened *exactly* when the logbot was down

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iamlindoro:

though I have my own logs ;)

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Same here

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iamlindoro:

He didn't even get treated that badly, outside of being initially pointed at wiki/docs

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iamlindoro:

I've seen much, much worse treatment of people

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Afterbang:

So I'm planning on building my own HTPC, and I considering using mythTV to handle the TV playing and recording. I've been doing some research and one thing that I want to know is if MythTV is a standalone application such as WMC. For example- can I install MythTV on my HTPC and use it as a computer and just start MythTV and watch TV?

[20:20:59]

GreyFoxx:

Well poo it looks like I wasn't logging that day so I didn't get it

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iamlindoro:

Haha, I just get an e-mail from Wlfram, subject "Mathematica makes a great gift"

[20:21:19]

iamlindoro:

I would personally punch anyone who gave me Mathematica as a gift

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: I'll pastebin

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Dagmar:

Not a wholly irrational response

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iamlindoro:

http://pastebin.com/m2cfd19dd

[20:23:00]

iamlindoro:

Sorry for the formatting, Bip creates ugly logs

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_ben:

Afterbang: yes, why not? :)

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: not to play devil's advocate, but there is an argument to be made that the mythfrontend could have done a better job telling the user that it couldn't connect to the frontend at the given IP and port number, rather than hanging indefinitely.

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Completely agree-- my argument is that he arrived, got a *tiny* bit of guff compared to many, got a resolution, found that it was his fault, and left happy

[20:24:03]

devinheitmueller:

oops. Sorry. I'm about half an hour behind in the conversation, as I just realized Pidgin wasn't scrolling.

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: only to write a rant days later on /.

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iamlindoro:

and from my reading, people (wagnerrp specifically) devoted a fair amount of time to patiently helping him

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devinheitmueller:

I've certainly had my share of headaches with MythTV where the underlying problem was misconfiguration but it was *really* hard to figure that out without digging into the source.

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devinheitmueller:

... hence I can sympathize with people who try out MythTV for the first time and give up after a bit of wrangling.

[20:25:37]

iamlindoro:

That's not at issue here, though

[20:25:48]

iamlindoro:

the issue is the guy was pissed off about the free support he got

[20:26:07]

iamlindoro:

when the logs show that he was given pretty patient support, with minimal abuse

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devinheitmueller:

Well, that's true. I am well aware of people who expect "let me drop everything and work on your problem", even though the developers are unpaid.

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_ben:

you should paste that log then on /.org :P

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Dagmar:

Amazing how he lied about just about everything

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Dagmar:

Paste it

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iamlindoro:

nah, but feel free

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Dagmar:

I'll go see if I can ferret up some mod points

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iamlindoro:

hahaha, where's moodboom?

[20:29:30]

iamlindoro:

quoth /.: You need thicker skin, too, my friend. It's not THAT hard to get help in #mythtv-users, they've helped me plenty. iamlindoro is sort of the gatekeeper screening out people who haven't done their homework. Kind of a necessary evil. But he's smart and often helpful at times too, along with many others.

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devinheitmueller:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Hey, come on, I'm not even in the top five gatekeepers

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iamlindoro:

if someone asks something retarded, I answer, or just ignore the channel for a while more often than not

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Dagmar:

I'd say his main problem was that he refused the _correct_ answer

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iamlindoro:

Guess we'll never get those WMC extensions we've been lusting after

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Dagmar:

bits is also a cock

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Dagmar:

I just dug through my old usernores

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Dagmar:

s/nores/notes/;

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laga:

you have user notes?

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iamlindoro:

and charts, and venn diagrams

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Dagmar:

laga: I actually keep a lot of notes about users on IRC

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Dagmar:

I do not refer to them often because generally the "memorable" thing that will make me write a note about someone is if they're a dick

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Dibblah:

... So why bother with the notes? ;)

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Dagmar:

'cuz I dont' want to get them mixed up with nice people, and because it's more effective to shut people up if they make some bogus claims about "last time I was in here" and so on

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_ben:

thats weird :)

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Dibblah:

Ugh. I just tried going through setup as if I was starting from scratch, without knowing what was going on.

[20:44:34]

Dibblah:

Ugh.

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iamlindoro:

agree

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iamlindoro:

Think a mythtv-setup rewrite should be a priority-- and I'm thinking about giving it a shot myself, as a wizard

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Dibblah:

Do you have DVB?

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Dibblah:

Or ATSC / ...

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iamlindoro:

ATSC, QAM, and DVB-S

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iamlindoro:

(though the DVB-S doesn't get used, but could be set up to work on it)

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ExElNeT_:

hmm i dont get any eit information with dvb-s (s2) ... is there a known bug in 22?

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Dibblah:

How do you "wear a newbie"?

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Dibblah:

ExElNeT_: New install?

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GreyFoxx:

very carefully ?

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ExElNeT_:

Dibblah: yes

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Dibblah:

You need to tick the 3 (ISTR) seperate "Use EIT" tickboxes.

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GreyFoxx:

That's just silly

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Dibblah:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/EIT

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Dibblah:

Indeed it is.

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GreyFoxx:

last I looked I thought it was just 1 on the video sources or something

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Dibblah:

It has to be enabled (again, ISTR) on the card, the source and the channel.

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GreyFoxx:

Wow

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Dibblah:

Recorder options / Use DVB Card for active scan

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AndrewNC:

I have found that some themes make mythtv-setup unusable over remote X, even with NX

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Dibblah:

And Channel options – Common – Use on air guide

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ExElNeT_:

ok... lemme try it... maybe i missed some click ^^

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Dibblah:

AndrewNC: You are aware (from an earlier conversation) that dbus is essentially designed for single-host?

[20:54:27]

AndrewNC:

yes, the initial design was for single host IPC, however it does support RPC

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AndrewNC:

the main drawbacks are authentication and security

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AndrewNC:

but I'm not sure running an internet exposed backend or frontend is a mythtv design goal ;-)

[20:55:36]

AndrewNC:

there seems to be some dbus for everything/anything camps out there, I'm still researching it

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Dibblah:

It doesn't (in 99% of deployements) support RPC.

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Dibblah:

It's specifically disabled.

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Dibblah:

deployements? Sheesh. You know what I mean, though :)

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AndrewNC:

there is also xml-rpc

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gizmobay:

how do you get the jamu.py to work for fanart?

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Dibblah:

gizmobay: Google for jamu mythtv migration, ISTR

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AndrewNC:

I'll put together a test setup to compare them for speed, and a table comparing attributes

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RDV_Linux:

gizmobay: Did you follow the wiki

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Dibblah:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu

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gizmobay:

yes

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RDV_Linux:

gizmobay: What is not working?

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brad3:

Dagmar keeps usernotes? hahaha

[20:59:22]

brad3:

he's like J edgar hoover, keeping blackmail notes on everyone :)

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Dagmar:

brad3: I have for um, over fifteen years now

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gizmobay:

If I run in simulate mode, I get the first choice to dl and it says simulate dl of URL

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Dagmar:

No, I've been VERY careful to keep things like that out

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gizmobay:

Then onto the next choice and so forth

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Dagmar:

I have always been very aware of my elevated risk of equipment confiscation

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gizmobay:

when I go out of simulate mode it just hangs

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Dibblah:

Because you're "special"?

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brad3:

dagmar: why would you have an elevated risk of equip confiscation?

[21:00:57]

brad3:

i didn't think linux was illegal, despite the MS marketing

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Dagmar:

cuz I'm a HACKER

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Dagmar:

dur

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brad3:

ahh

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gizmobay:

did I miss a setting in jamu.conf?

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AndrewNC:

what do these user notes constitute? howard hughes type stuff?

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RDV_Linux:

gizmobay: Pastebin the output until it hangs. ctrl+C to exit Jamu

[21:02:27]

RDV_Linux:

gizmobay: The conf file is optional

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Dagmar:

AndrewNC: Almost exclusively disposition stuff. User is baptist, user is hard-headed, user is a BSD zealot, etc

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RDV_Linux:

gizmobay: Most of the jamu.conf settings should not be changed when used with MythTV (-M options)

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AndrewNC:

do you read through them in a Martin Sheen voice? :P

[21:04:13]

brad3:

hey RDV, by any chance do you live in the Toronto area?

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sphery:

gizmobay: how about pastebin'ing the output of: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT * FROM capturecard; SELECT * FROM cardinput; SELECT sourceid, name, xmltvgrabber FROM videosource; SELECT chanid, channum, freqid, sourceid, xmltvid FROM channel;"

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gizmobay:

http://pastebin.com/d3e5ed811

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sphery:

wow, that was fast

[21:06:32]

sphery:

oh, that's something else :)

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RDV_Linux:

gizmobay: Looking at the pastebin now

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sphery:

and here I was wondering how you did that

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iamlindoro:

sphery: by piping all sql commands directly to mysql... "for convenience" ;)

[21:07:49]

sphery:

with a script to automatically pastebin them

[21:07:58]

iamlindoro:

sphery: what, your IRC client doesn't take any SQL that appears and automatically run it? What could possibly go wrong?

[21:07:59]

dmz:

quick question...i just got 2 more tuners activated and want to be sure that some specific recordings are recorded on the hd tuner vs the analog tuner; any way to specify a recording to use a specific tuner?

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gizmobay:

sphery, http://pastebin.com/d5112d7eb

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Dagmar:

dnz: Not really

[21:08:19]

dmz:

naturally :)

[21:08:23]

Dagmar:

First created tuner will generally get used first

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dmz:

well that's something

[21:08:43]

RDV_Linux:

gizmobay: First off you are mixing two mutually exclusive options. The -MW option does not have an interactive mode. Try again with (-MWV).

[21:08:56]

dmz:

how can i determine out of 3 recordings which one is "1st" (all @ 8pm tonight)

[21:09:10]

Dagmar:

Look at Upcoming Recordings

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dmz:

that's the order then?

[21:09:22]

dmz:

cool

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sphery:

gizmobay: what about the rest? that's only the channel info--use > sqlout.log if you lose the output in scrollback

[21:10:26]

gizmobay:

okay

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sphery:

dmz: and the backend status page (through mythweb or http://masterbackendhostname:6544/

[21:11:28]

RDV_Linux:

gizmobay: Other then that you where actually waiting on a response from thetvdb.com web site which may be very slow right now.

[21:11:42]

sphery:

the order listed may not be the priority order, though--look at cardid's to find priority order

[21:11:51]

sphery:

or use mythbackend --printsched

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dmz:

sphery, thanks thats perfect, now i also see in the upcoming that it shows the tuner it's using

[21:13:39]

dmz:

now if i can only figure out how to reorder tonights schedule (probably have to delete one recording then reschedule)

[21:13:51]

gizmobay:

sphery, http://pastebin.com/d1586ff14

[21:15:07]

gizmobay:

RDV_Linux, I think it was slow but I still get an error. Graphics failed to download. A file issue or a corrupt (HTML) file

[21:15:17]

sphery:

dmz: use an override rule

[21:15:36]

sphery:

dmz: that's what they're meant for--either tell it "Don't Record" or "Record This" or ...

[21:16:04]

dmz:

yeah but i want to change the order they are in

[21:16:13]

dmz:

3 shows @ once, and 3rd in list is the one i want to be on the 1st tuner :)

[21:16:40]

gizmobay:

hmm, I just went to the URL it tried downloading from and it gave me a timeout

[21:16:46]

sphery:

gizmobay: are you putting /all/ of those SQL commands in there? It's still only the output of the last one.

[21:16:50]

RDV_Linux:

gizmobay: I would bet that the TV series graphic you are trying to download is a new series. thetvdb.com graphics mirror web site has a number of missing graphics.

[21:17:05]

sphery:

SELECT * FROM capturecard; SELECT * FROM cardinput; SELECT sourceid, name, xmltvgrabber FROM videosource; SELECT chanid, channum, freqid, sourceid, xmltvid FROM channel;

[21:18:01]

sphery:

dmz: then either edit the recording rule priority if you want it always that way or do a single override rule that sets a different priority for tonight's episode only

[21:18:49]

RDV_Linux:

gizmobay: Series like FlashForward. MythVideo will not have this issue as right now it gets the graphics from the Web site rather than the mirror. But jamu puts more stress on a site so uses the mirror as is policy.

[21:19:06]

gizmobay:

sphery, yes I put the whole command in the CLI

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ExElNeT_:

Dibblah: all 3 ticks enabled ... the source is eit only. any idea?

[21:19:34]

gizmobay:

The one it's having a hard time is I SHouldn't be Alive

[21:19:36]

Dibblah:

You may have no EIT data.

[21:20:02]

Dibblah:

ExElNeT_: mythbackend -v eit

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sphery:

gizmobay: then can you run the first 3 one by one so I can see all the info, please?

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gizmobay:

mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT * FROM capturecard; SELECT * FROM cardinput; SELECT sourceid, name, xmltvgrabber FROM videosource; SELECT chanid, channum, freqid FROM channel;"

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ExElNeT_:

Dibblah: yeah enabled it already... hmm looks nice there... maybe it took him a while...009-11–05 22:20:35.020 EITHelper: Added 20 events

[21:21:02]

gizmobay:

like this?

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sphery:

that should work

[21:21:14]

gizmobay:

okay

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Dibblah:

20 events is rather low.

[21:21:36]

sphery:

or you can do whatever you did (use some other client?) and just do each of the first 3 selects individually

[21:21:54]

Dibblah:

You'll probably either have to wait for a full EIT scan (active) to complete, or configure a guide channel, which I'm not sure how to do.

[21:23:51]

ExElNeT_:

Dibblah: this message repeats a few times... well is it possible to schedule a full scan?

[21:23:52]

sphery:

Dibblah: did you do any work on debugging myth_system()?

[21:24:03]

Dibblah:

Very little.

[21:24:13]

sphery:

I'm about to look at it hoping to find something to help #7135 (though I can't reproduce it)

[21:24:20]

sphery:

OK.

[21:24:22]

Dibblah:

I looked through the code, it looked like it wasn't propely reentrant, I left it.

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sphery:

yeah, the LIRC and joystick blocking stuff isn't

[21:24:45]

Dibblah:

I see the bug on Karmic.

[21:24:57]

sphery:

might be more, too

[21:25:06]

gizmobay:

okay sphery, I was still clipping the last files. This one looks good

[21:25:09]

gizmobay:

http://pastebin.com/d7b42eda7

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sphery:

thx... looks better

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gizmobay:

RDV_Linux, how do you tell jamu to skip stuff it can't find?

[21:26:51]

RDV_Linux:

gizmobay: An example please

[21:27:30]

gizmobay:

like the I SHouldn't be Alive series. It just says bad file and it just keeps trying and trying

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RDV_Linux:

gizmobay: What jamu options are you using for this skip example

[21:27:38]

gizmobay:

for fanart that is

[21:28:04]

gizmobay:

-l en -MWV

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RDV_Linux:

gizmobay: There will be a timeout after a LONG time and then it will move to the next file. But if one graphic takes that long it is likely they all will take too long.

[21:29:32]

iamlindoro:

Which is to say, go get a beer and don't watch that pot

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RDV_Linux:

gizmobay: It may just be that the site is too slow to bother with right not.

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gizmobay:

okay

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sphery:

gizmobay: looks pretty much right--are you sure you're not just entering LiveTV on a channel for which there's no guide data--i.e. 44-(1 through 4) or 40–1 or 43–2 or 38–1?

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gizmobay:

my main tuner is the PVR150. I have it set to a channel that has guide data

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Dibblah:

PVR150 doesn't do EIT.

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Dibblah:

EIT is DVB-s/ATSC/ ...

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Dibblah:

Not analogue.

[21:32:48]

sphery:

gizmobay: do you have Avoid conflicts set?

[21:33:01]

Dibblah:

sphery: ...

[21:33:13]

Dibblah:

Err... Am I confusing two issues?

[21:33:18]

Dibblah:

oh, I am.

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Dibblah:

Sorry – Ignore me :)

[21:33:39]

sphery:

heh... lots of conversations here--and he's in a couple of them

[21:33:54]

sphery:

easy to mix up the convo's

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AndyCap:

Dibblah: I also read it as "getting guide data from PVR150"

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gizmobay:

sphery, it's not set

[21:35:42]

sphery:

so when you start LiveTV, you're using "Tuner 1" input on "Analog Tuner"?

[21:37:03]

sphery:

gizmobay: are you really using RF-modulated output of some external tuner to your PVR-150 using channel 4?

[21:37:42]

sphery:

gizmobay: there have been reports that tunechan/"Preset tuner to channel" does not work.

[21:38:15]

sphery:

you really want to use a) S-Video or Composite input to your PVR-150, b) set "Preset tuner to channel" to "" (blank)

[21:38:15]

gizmobay:

sphery, Tuner 1 has the name of Analog Tuner

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sphery:

Tuner 1 is an input enumerated by ivtv that's associated with the cardinputid whose display name is "Analog Tuner"

[21:39:26]

gizmobay:

you mean svideo from my cablebox to my PVR150?

[21:39:37]

sphery:

but, yeah, just making sure that's the one you get when you initially start LiveTV

[21:40:33]

sphery:

If so, I think you need to fix the "Preset tuner to channel"--it should not be set on any of your cards, with the exception that is might be used on an analog tuner if you're really using RF modulated output from a cable box or whatever, but that's rumored to not work

[21:40:56]

sphery:

so you /really/ want the much better-quality S-Video or Composite output from your cable box to your PVR-150

[21:41:13]

sphery:

"should not be set" means make it blank

[21:41:40]

sphery:

i.e. "Leave this blank unless you have an external tuner that is connected to the tuner input of your card. If so, you will need to specify the preset channel for the signal (normally 3 or 4)."

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sphery:

but I think the "If so..." doesn't work

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gizmobay:

hmm, so the video quality is better out of svideo than the cat cable?

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iamlindoro:

much

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fabio_27:

hi, i'm using ubuntu 9.10 with mythtv 0.22. my question is about the screen resize wizard. when i use it to make the gui smaller because of the overscan on my tv, the gui is not fullscreen anymore. and i don't just mean the panels are showing (i know this is to be expected with xfce) no the myhtv gui is now only about half of the picture, allthough i resized it to perfectly match the tv screen. any help?

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gizmobay:

okay, I'm going to give it a whirl

[21:45:20]

squidly:

or Overbite

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ExElNeT_:

hmm ok the next problem... if i watch hd im getting a bad picture. the picture gets worse the higher the resolution is

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Dagmar:

Stop watching bad B movies?

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ExElNeT_:

well its dvb-s2... i wonder what might be the problem... the client cant be the problem... (3+ quad with gtx 260) ... maybe its the server? the cpu usage is quite low but the disks might get a bottleneck... hmm

[21:56:09]

Dagmar:

What's your display resolution?

[21:56:16]

Dagmar:

...as in what res is X set to output?

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sphery:

gizmobay: even if it doesn't fix your "no data when I first enter LiveTV" issue, at least you'll end up with better quality recordings. :) Oh, and make sure you unset Preset tuner to channel for all your cards.

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ExElNeT_:

Dagmar: 1600x1200 on the display... thats how it ends up: http://img5.imageshack.us/i/bildschirmfoto1n.png/

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gizmobay:

no sound with s-video?

[21:59:24]

iamlindoro:

Are you trying to use VDPAU?

[21:59:38]

iamlindoro:

if so, you probably have a damaged stream and VDPAU not dealing with it well

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Dagmar:

ExElNeT_: That's not an X problem

[22:00:08]

Dagmar:

Something is severely frelled with your tuner

[22:00:30]

Dagmar:

You're getting a LOT of garbage data in the stream

[22:00:43]

Dagmar:

Here I was originally thinking you were dealing with some artifacting based on repeated rescales

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ExElNeT_:

hmm so its the tuner or the cable or source?

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ExElNeT_:

hmm maybe its the driver...

[22:01:19]

Dagmar:

It probably is the driver, actually.

[22:01:36]

Dagmar:

With that much crap I'd normally think the tuner card would be seeing so many errors that it would just pretend it wasn't getting a lock

[22:02:23]

ExElNeT_:

im using those drivers... http://mercurial.intuxication.org/hg/s2-liplianin maybe i ll try the "offical" v4l ones...

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dustybin:

at last i have found my future display http://www.hitechreview.com/gallery/nec-multi . . . 31wmi_10.jpg

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Dagmar:

WHy would you not have been using the drivers from the kernel to begin with

[22:03:58]

xand:

hello mr dustybin

[22:04:14]

dustybin:

xand: your name rings a bell :D

[22:04:19]

ExElNeT_:

ill reinstall the driver...

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xand:

:o

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Memphisau:

xand would be an oxymoron right?

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xand:

how dare you

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sphery:

gizmobay: use the RCA audio connectors for sound with S-Video. So, S-video (video) output and RCA "red" and "white" audio output

[22:07:23]

dmz:

:( pvr500 backup tuner went in great; video works but no sound; any suggestions? (and i believe i am using latest firmware)

[22:07:24]

Memphisau:

AND by itself would do, it already is exclusive :P

[22:08:37]

sphery:

dmz: what input?

[22:10:56]

sphery:

gizmobay: oh, you might need an RCA to mini-jack "Y" cable for the audio (been a long time since I used a PVR-x50)

[22:11:53]

Dagmar:

dmz: Double check your sound then

[22:12:22]

Dagmar:

dmz: Although if you're not using the coax RF input, you probably have something connected wrong

[22:12:36]

sphery:

domething like: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . amp;format=2

[22:12:48]

sphery:

gizmobay: er, something like ^^^

[22:13:48]

sphery:

unless it needs 2.5mm like http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . amp;format=2

[22:15:37]

dmz:

Dagmar i'm using cable tv input

[22:15:51]

dmz:

the pvr500 has the 2 tuner connections

[22:15:57]

dmz:

it "should" just work

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Dagmar:

hahah

[22:17:36]

Dagmar:

Okay, so you're using the one RF cable then

[22:17:43]

Dagmar:

That eliminates a number of issues.

[22:18:02]

Dagmar:

All you do is configure Myth as if you had two, entirely separate PVR-150 cards.

[22:18:24]

Dagmar:

If audio isnt' working on the second one, and you have configured Myth as I say, then you have a firmware problem or a hardware problem

[22:18:50]

Dagmar:

Most likely it's a firmware problem

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gizmobay:

sphery, I didn't see a RCA jack on the cable box

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dmz:

Dagmar audio isn't working on either of them

[22:21:22]

sphery:

dmz: then it might be a TV Format issue

[22:21:25]

dmz:

Dagmar it sees the video fine on both /dev/video0 & /dev/video1

[22:21:47]

sphery:

gizmobay: if it has S-Video out, it has to have something for audio

[22:21:59]

Dagmar:

So, copy one of your recording files to something else that you KNOW can play files correctly and verify there's audio in the stream or not

[22:22:06]

Dagmar:

Otherwise you have a firmware problem

[22:22:07]

dmz:

this is just on a slave backend

[22:22:07]

sphery:

I /hope/ it's not so brain dead as to have S-Video out and S/PDIF only

[22:22:13]

dmz:

i have the latest firmware

[22:22:19]

Dagmar:

Good for you

[22:22:33]

sphery:

dmz: recording profiles have volume set too low

[22:22:33]

Dagmar:

Firmware is not a magic trinket that makes everything work

[22:22:33]

dmz:

who is the good for you for?

[22:22:41]

Dagmar:

Check your logs, check your config

[22:22:51]

sphery:

logs are a /great/ idea

[22:22:52]

Dagmar:

You.

[22:23:03]

Dagmar:

You say "I have the latest firmware" like it matters.

[22:23:17]

dmz:

well the firmware version does matter

[22:23:21]

dmz:

some versions are broken

[22:23:23]

Dagmar:

Check dmesg and your logs on the machine running the tuner card that's _apparently_ not getting audio

[22:23:24]

dmz:

some have other issues

[22:24:04]

dmz:

i've been playing with myth for several years, and i come here to bounce ideas off folks who are generally friendly. and yes i check logs first; sometimes it's good to bounce ideas off others and be social; after all isn't that the purpose of irc

[22:24:23]

iamlindoro:

I'm here to pick up chicks

[22:24:26]

Dagmar:

No, IRC is for realtime griefing.

[22:24:28]

iamlindoro:

it's not going well

[22:24:35]

dmz:

and 99% of the time the 1st quetsion people ask is what firmware are you on

[22:24:38]

Dagmar:

Now check your logs.

[22:24:48]

Dagmar:

I wait until the logs SAY the firmware is bad.

[22:25:08]

Dagmar:

You have streams which aren't coming out correctly, but you appear to want to argue that everything is fine

[22:25:12]

Dagmar:

This, to me, smacks of insanity.

[22:25:37]

Dagmar:

Just because it's the latest firmware doesn't mean something didn't go wrong.

[22:26:10]

Dagmar:

_Generally_ the box will tell you exactly what in syslog

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Dagmar:

Quite frequently we find people "updated" their firmware by putting the new firmware in a completely unrelated directoty

[22:27:20]

Dagmar:

s/oty/ory/;

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Dagmar:

<-- has a PVR-500.

[22:27:48]

Dagmar:

...so, not just guessing about how it works.

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Dibblah:

Err... Actually, firmware IS exactly a magic trinket that makes everything work ;)

[22:28:53]

dmz:

The logs don't report any problems

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Dagmar:

Were it not for that the PVR-500 is EOL, I wouldn't even rule out an unexpected change to the audio tuner chip, considering that's been done before.

[22:29:27]

dmz:

and the card is an older card; wife just had an extra recording she wanted me to get tonight so i setup a quick slave to record it

[22:29:33]

dmz:

but she won't be happy if i can't get audio

[22:29:34]

Dagmar:

dmz: Then that leaves that you've possibly configured the card to record at a volume level of zero

[22:29:48]

Dagmar:

Copy a test recording from LiveTV or whatever over to some otehr machine

[22:29:52]

Dagmar:

Play it back there

[22:30:23]

Dagmar:

Personally, I think the firmware is broken.

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dmz:

i have other tuners available and they are playing fine so the frontend would play it if it had sound; other tuners sound is fine

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dmz:

i also agree with you but the quetsion is which firmware "should" i use?

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dmz:

which version do you use?

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Dagmar:

I can make it easy

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dmz:

since you have a working 500

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dmz:

i like easy; thats why i'm on irc

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Dagmar:

Waitin' on pastebin.ca

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Dagmar:

http://pastebin.ca/1658831

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yfaykya:

Is there a problem with latest mythvideo on trunk? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1658832

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yfaykya:

metadata lookups are broken

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dmz:

only 1 that is different: b3704908fd058485f3ef136941b2e513 v4l-cx25840.fw

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dmz:

the rest are all identical

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ExElNeT:

Dagmar: works better but still not perfect.. now its lagging a bit... some frames flicker

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iamlindoro:

yfaykya: Metadata lookups are not broken, go and re-set your metadata grabber in the new settings

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iamlindoro:

and please follow commits

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iamlindoro:

yfaykya: Actually, that looks right... hmm, works here

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Dagmar:

ExElNeT: So clearly there's a driver problem. Why were you using the other out-of-tree driver in the first place?

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iamlindoro:

I'll look later

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mersault:

Quick question: Will Jamu and MythVideo cope well with the fact that lots of my movie filenames take form of 'Five Venoms, The.avi'

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ExElNeT:

Dagmar: i thought it was the only one with dvb-s2 support. :=)

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iamlindoro:

mersault: Try it and see. Probably will not work, though

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: Not that well for Jamu. You would need to use Interactive more (-MI).

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Dagmar:

ExElNeT: Well, about all I can suggest is to check the syslog and hope that driver is saying something about dropped frames or lock problems, and then see about contacting the developers

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mersault:

Boo. Lexigraphical fail.

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RDV_Linux:

s/more/mode/

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Dagmar:

ExElNeT: We can't really do much about misbehaving cards/drivers, which is what it looks like your problem is

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mersault:

hmmm.... it'll probably be easier to code up a quick script to rename them all to put the The at the front.

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RDV_Linux:

mersault: and get rid of the comma

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mersault:

of course

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Dagmar:

dmz: That one that's different, if I'm not mistaken, handles the audip tuner chip

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ExElNeT:

Dagmar: yes. the question was what it is... :=)

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Dagmar:

ExElNeT: New drivers being buggy isn't a new thing, alas

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yfaykya:

iamlindoro : Ahh. did not there was manual setting to be done. Any pointer? Thanks

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iamlindoro:

yfaykya: There's not, you're fine, I'll look at the code issue later

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iamlindoro:

have a fix already written, but need to check it

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Dagmar:

dmz: I can't really be more specific than this because it was _ages_ ago, but I got mine from the beta driver for Windows

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dmz:

i think i got it

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dmz:

cx25840 1–0044: unable to open firmware v4l-cx25840.fw

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dmz:

that's the one firmware file that doesn't match md5sum

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Dagmar:

It said this in the logs?

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dmz:

in a different place; i was looking on wrong slave earlier; too many servers

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** dmz goes to look for firmware again **

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Dagmar:

...and what did we tell you a half hour ago? Hehe

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yfaykya:

iamlindoro: I follow commits. That what I meant by did not know I had to do any steps. Anyways I checked metadata settings and looks good.

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yfaykya:

Oh oops..

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Dagmar:

But hey, as long as you don't go and bitch about it on Slashdot we're cool

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yfaykya:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

yfaykya: np-- have you seen the new settings? I think they are much improved simplicitywise

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devinheitmueller:

It's tempting to change the driver to checksum the firmware, so that you have to have the exact firmware. The only downside is you wouldn't be able to upgrade the firmware without a driver upgrade, but I have doubts that that occurs very often.

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Dagmar:

Well, in this case I suspect there's actually two firmwares which aren't either going to work on everything

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dustybin:

check this tune out, a friend of mine sang it: http://drinkwithrandall.com/tinyircer.mp3

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laga:

is it about drinking IRCers?

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yfaykya:

iamlindoro: Big time. Great work. Much much appreciated. (I am a big MV fan!)

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sphery:

yfaykya: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6166 one (Seg fault playing videos in mythgallery)?

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dmz:

yeah got it; dagmar thanks it was that one firmware not copying over to minimyth box when it did net boot; fixed it & it's all happy

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Dibblah:

Ahh... The "ideas people" are letting their ideas flow in the settings rework thread.

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Dagmar:

Lemme know when they get to venn diagrams

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** Dibblah was thinking the other day about audio offset. **

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Dibblah:

That could be added as a global setting just by adding a "set default" layer in the OSD for that option.

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Dibblah:

... Then, why couldn't that be done for most of these settings?

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Dibblah:

ie essentially move the "dynamic" setup stuff – which needs tweaking to change – into a custom OSD?

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Dibblah:

(yes, I know – I'm being an ideas guy. Sue me.)

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Dagmar:

This could and probably should be managed by XML now

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Dagmar:

... since there's really nothing you can't define as an XML structure, including defaults

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iamlindoro:

hmm, looks like US Fringe/Bones fans should run mythfilldatase --refresh-today

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iamlindoro:

as apparently there may be Fringe tonight

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Dagmar:

cripes!

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iamlindoro:

not a moment too soon, eh? :)

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gizmobay:

can I switch between Tuner1 and S-Video? Both are setup in mythtv-setup on a PVR150. I did a search and it said "C" but this didn't work.

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Dagmar:

Awesome. It segfaults

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Dagmar:

gizmobay: Prolly 't'

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Dagmar:

I might be wrong tho

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gizmobay:

that does CC

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Dagmar:

Check the actual keybind list

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gizmobay:

oh yeah, good idea

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Dagmar:

I'll be damned, there *is* a Fringe tonight then

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Dagmar:

I double checked that two days ago

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Dagmar:

Thanks for the tip off, lindoro

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Dagmar:

;)

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jtmoney:

hey guys, i have a number of ATSC and a number of NTSC channels... without renumbering them, is there a way (perhaps by creating groups) to play the ATSC channels at the top of the guide?

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iamlindoro:

no worries

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Hiisty:

i've updgraded to 0.22 and before (in 0.21) loads where around 1.00 while watching tv, now loads are >3.00

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Hiisty:

will threre be some optimation when 0.22 final is out?

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iamlindoro:

pretty much nothing more will be done to .22

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Hiisty:

damn

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Hadaka:

a silly thing that's bothering me – I've added a few capture cards, removed them, added new, removed them, etc. a few times over

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Hiisty:

so new cpu or back to 0.21?

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Hadaka:

and now my "card inputs" are nasty numbers like card input 17 etc.

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iamlindoro:

Hiisty, why should either be necessary? If it still plays fine...

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Dagmar:

Hadaka: So erase the database and start oevr

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Hiisty:

iamlindoro: well it seems to be choppy when lot of movement in the picture

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iamlindoro:

Hiisty, Have you tried tuning your playback profile?

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Hadaka:

I didn't find a straightforward way to reset those, but... the cardinputid column of the cardinput table in sql seems to be that – and I'm wondering what all would break, if I should just manually renumber those

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Hadaka:

Dagmar: I don't want to lose all the other stuff in the database

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Hiisty:

iamlindoro: yes i did try with cpu-- profile, but didn't notice any difference

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Dagmar:

Hadaka: Then it looks like you have to live with the terrible high numbers you never actually have to see

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iamlindoro:

Hiisty, Did you try slim?

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Hiisty:

iamlindoro: but i am currently watching, and it seems to play ~fine

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Hiisty:

iamlindoro: i think that it was the default option, so i am running now with slim

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Hadaka:

Dagmar: except when switching inputs from the menu in live tv?

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Hadaka:

and I think those were listed in upcoming recordings, or the web ui

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Dagmar:

Hadaka: The only way to fix that is to wipe out the DB and start over, or manually change the table and _every entry referring to the card_ in them

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Dagmar:

Can you guess what the odds are of someone wanting to help you form that SQL query are?

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Hiisty:

0:1 :)

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iamlindoro:

yfaykya, Should be fixed in r22746

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squidly:

ok wow. I just lost all my video setting and movie clips

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squidly:

well movie posters

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