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Friday, October 30th, 2009, 00:03 UTC

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benklop:

sphery: so EIT data is not commonplace in the US then?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

youll get a couple hours at most

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wagnerrp:

the current show if youre lucky

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wagnerrp:

cable providers have a separate channel for that data, so they give you nothing

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benklop:

yeah, i dont do cable. its a ripoff compared to live OTA now with digital

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/usabilityplus.png

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** iamlindoro is proud of iamlindoro **

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mzb:

looks great, but would clash with my blue lcd ;)

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iamlindoro:

The point isn't the colors, the point is the simple configuration of metadata handling

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iamlindoro:

select a plain english name from a dropdown instead of a dozen command line edit boxes

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whoDat_:

cool, mythbuntu has .22 in standard release already.

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wagnerrp:

shipping at a RC version of mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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android6011:

if right now if i said i needed a card and it had to support analog, what card would you recommend

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wagnerrp:

PVR-150

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android6011:

ok and what about one that does analog AND digital

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android6011:

my bad on the caps and

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Dagmar:

We'd talk about how it would be cool if someone invented a program that allowed people to search the entirety of the interwebs at once

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whoDat_:

didn't i read somewhere that with .22 I can use my hdtv5500 in both HD and SD modes at once now?

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iamlindoro:

.22 can't turn one tuner into tow, so no

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iamlindoro:

er two

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whoDat_:

hmm thought I read something along those lines

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wagnerrp:

your hdtv5500 only has a digital mode

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whoDat_:

maybe that i can set both up as two different tuners, just not record with both at the same time.

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iamlindoro:

We haven't finished the replicator code yet

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wagnerrp:

there is no 'HD' or 'SD'

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whoDat_:

i meant analog/digital sorry

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wagnerrp:

digital... we dont speak of the analog on that card

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iamlindoro:

and even if we did, it's still just one tuner

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whoDat_:

i use it as an analog card

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iamlindoro:

meaning you would onyl ever be able to use one at a time

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whoDat_:

i have it hooked straight into my time warner cable coax so had to use analog mode on it

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iamlindoro:

erm... that doesn't make any sense

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wagnerrp:

your time warner cable MUST provide the 'must carry' stations

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iamlindoro:

you use digital straight off the coax

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wagnerrp:

that would be any broadcast stations in your area

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whoDat_:

i would only get the network stations though right?

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wagnerrp:

and possibly more

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whoDat_:

not scifi, etc

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wagnerrp:

probably not

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iamlindoro:

correct

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wagnerrp:

but have you actually checked?

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whoDat_:

so thats why i have it in analog mode

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iamlindoro:

but using that card only for analog is like buying a BMW and only storing things in the trunk

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whoDat_:

i checked like over 6 months ago

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whoDat_:

it could have changed since then

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iamlindoro:

there's no point in buying what is already an overpriced digital card to use it only for analog

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iamlindoro:

when you could have spent 1/6th the amount on a PVR-150 that would do it ten times better

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whoDat_:

i use firewire from my cable box for digital HD channels (but it only has the network channels unencrypted).. so if it only allows those 6 or so channels over firewire, i figured it would be those same 6 over coax using QAM

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wagnerrp:

not at all

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whoDat_:

iamlindoro: I already had the 5500, from when i used to use it at my apt. different situation here, but i just..already had the card.

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wagnerrp:

those are completely independent systems

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whoDat_:

once i get .22 installed i will play around with QAM on it then. see what i can get.

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whoDat_:

because firewire is very unrealiable anyway

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whoDat_:

the cable box doesnt initialize the firewire half the time

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wagnerrp:

no need to play around, silicondust maintains lists of these things

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MTughan:

What kind of CPU for Myth would we need to scale 640x480 MPG @ 5Mb/s up to about 720p HD?

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android6011:

which is the better of the hvr 1600 models?

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MTughan:

We have a 2.8GHz Celeron D ATM, wondering if that'll be sufficient.

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wagnerrp:

the same kind of CPU that myth would need to play 640x480 natively

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MTughan:

Doesn't require anything more powerful?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does no software scaling

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MTughan:

Ah, point. How about for ffmpeg then?

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wagnerrp:

either you do it in the video card with Xv, or you dont do it at all

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MTughan:

What's Xv?

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wagnerrp:

XVideo

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wagnerrp:

X11 extension for video playback

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is relatively worthless without it

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MTughan:

Ah, okay.

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MTughan:

Is there a list of what kinds of GPU power it needs?

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wagnerrp:

either its supported, or its not

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wagnerrp:

theres no 'gpu power'

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Dagmar:

Give it three more yearsa

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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Dagmar:

Three more years and they'll be PR rating video cards

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Dagmar:

Just to keep all the damn numbers straight

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MTughan:

Is there a list of supported cards per X version then?

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wagnerrp:

around the time AMD's chips cycle back to the 7000 line?

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Dagmar:

THere's a list of what nVidia cards support VDPAU on the wiki

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MTughan:

Our current card is an Intel integrated.

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Dagmar:

The "per X version" is a dead end because there will at any given time only be one version of X a sane person should be using

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MTughan:

True, but updates don't always get pushed out.

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wagnerrp:

im waiting for the first person to buy a radeon 7000 off ebay because they figure its the last of the modern cards to support AGP

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wagnerrp:

'almost as good as the radeon HD 7000'

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Dagmar:

MTughan: Whether or not updates get pushed out doesn't matter.

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Dagmar:

Unless you're the kind of person who doesn't _need_ a distribution, you use the version they most recently released.

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Eviltwin:

My upcoming recordings was fine this afternoon

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Eviltwin:

I left

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Eviltwin:

It completely disappeared

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Eviltwin:

A `mythbackend --resched` fixed it

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Eviltwin:

What could have caused this

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MTughan:

Dagmar: I'll just try it and see tomorrow.

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android6011:

does anyone have hvr 1600 1199?

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kd3:

I do... though my analog input just stopped working...

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** kd3 grrs **

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android6011:

kd3: how was the quality before it died?

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android6011:

and we are talking about the same one right? http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/electron . . . HD0-1-lg.jpg

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kd3:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600

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kd3:

fine; I've got it hooked up to a directv box and a 21" display

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android6011:

kd3: ya ive seen the wiki but I know there are a few variants of the 1600

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android6011:

some have red+white audio ports

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kd3:

ya, I've got the 1199, not the one with dual-audio

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** kd3 looks at his box **

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wagnerrp:

the 1/8" jack is the vanilla version

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wagnerrp:

dual RCA is the MCE version

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android6011:

ok

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android6011:

but the chipsets are same right?

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android6011:

so quality should be good on both?

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kd3:

speaking of my broken 1600... anyone know if there's a specific reason why it's only displaying a red screen if I try to access it? it was working earlier this week

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mchou:

android6011: what's the problem with your hvr-1600?

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android6011:

mchou: the fact that i dont have one yet? lol

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mchou:

lol

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android6011:

mchou: I am just looking for opinions first

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mchou:

android6011: avoid

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android6011:

mchou: why?

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mchou:

cause it doesnt work worth jack

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android6011:

mchou: you get a bad one too? or have you just heard bad reports?

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mchou:

android6011: I have MANY bad ones

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android6011:

mchou: the mce edition or the regular one?

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mchou:

android6011: if you look int this channel logs for kevin_heitmueller he confirms it (no underscore in the actual name to avoid alerts)

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mchou:

into*

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mchou:

android6011: all of them

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android6011:

where are the logs?

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mchou:

google

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/history

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android6011:

mchou: and what card would you recommend then? I have to have analog, and I would like it to double as a digital as well

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wagnerrp:

currently, the 1600 is the only such card

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wagnerrp:

so if not that, buy a digital tuner and a 150 of ebay

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mchou:

get separate analog and digital receivers

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mchou:

android6011: I got my hvr-1600 for $20 and I still say it's not worth that :)

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android6011:

heh

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android6011:

i see one for $60 new with remote

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mchou:

at this rate hauppauge has to pay me to debug their junk

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android6011:

mchou: so is it hardware failures that are giving you problems?

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android6011:

because I see on kernellabs one of the devs is fixing up the driver a bit

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mchou:

pci bus hogging; bad reception, dropouts in recordings, you name them

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android6011:

bad reception as in poor quality video?

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mchou:

android6011: they've been saying that shit for YEARS

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android6011:

mchou: but he has a driver for people to test in svn right now, so maybe itll help

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mchou:

android6011: yup

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

be my guest

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wagnerrp:

when using digital, bad reception means no video quality

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wagnerrp:

either you have the original lossless signal

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wagnerrp:

or you have nothing

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android6011:

i see

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android6011:

well i think thats what that dev is working on is the digiral part

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mchou:

wagnerrp: you clearly dont know what you're talking about

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android6011:

digital*

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mchou:

android6011: forget it man

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android6011:

is the pvr 150 really that good?

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mchou:

android6011: it doesnt even work right in windoze

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Dagmar:

The PVR-150 works great for analog NTSC/PAL cable

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wagnerrp:

its not a function of quality, but rather ease

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to deal with the hassle of a framegrabber

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J-e-f-f-A:

android6011: the 150 is great. I also have a 500 (dual 150 basically), 250 and 350. ;-)

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android6011:

I just want really good analog right now

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wagnerrp:

the PVR line (and a couple other IVTV cards) are mpeg encoders

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mchou:

wagnerrp: If you have poor reception in digital you get dropouts in the picture. You hardly ever get no picture

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wagnerrp:

meaning mythtv does literally nothing to the recording but copy

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wagnerrp:

you get blocks of no data

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wagnerrp:

which means no picture

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mchou:

lol

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wagnerrp:

you may only lose part of a frame, but then that part of the frame is gone until the I frame

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J-e-f-f-A:

You get 'chirping' 'blocking', and basically un-watchable video.

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A is correct

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mchou:

you get frames all right

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mchou:

even frames that are pretty complete

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mchou:

a few bit errors if not going to dissolve the whole frame

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mchou:

s/is/are

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wagnerrp:

no, but you lose the whole macroblock

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wagnerrp:

you get the whole block, or you get garbage, nothing

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mchou:

no, there's error concealment

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android6011:

the only pvr 500 i can find have non standard brackets

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wagnerrp:

depends entirely on the playback device

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benklop:

is there a place I can change that, or..

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mchou:

wagnerrp: no, the point is you don't necessarily lose the whole macroblock

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J-e-f-f-A:

android6011: People have said that Hauppauge will send you the correct bracket for free. Might be prudent to check with them before buying, but then again, it's only $39, right? ;-)

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: how much do they charge for the bracket? :)

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wagnerrp:

as he said... free

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mchou:

that includes shipping?

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android6011:

$50 with shipping

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mchou:

heh

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android6011:

mchou: wait

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android6011:

did u mean the bracket

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android6011:

or card

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mchou:

android6011: you get the point :)

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mchou:

hahah

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J-e-f-f-A:

I don't know – that's why I said that... (he meant the bracket android6011...)

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android6011:

heh well the card with ghetto bracket is $50 with shipping

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android6011:

J-e-f-f-A: where did you see if for $40?

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wagnerrp:

there was some canadian retailer who was also selling them on their US site for that much

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J-e-f-f-A:

android6011: on fleabay and/or online. the "HP Media Center" one, right?

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android6011:

ya

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android6011:

i keep seeing avermedia pvr 150 i take it those dont work?

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mchou:

those work

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wagnerrp:

if youre getting a 500, you probably want to pick up one of the daughter cards while youre at it

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mchou:

whatever the avermedia name is

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mchou:

I forget what's it's called

[02:47:22]

wagnerrp:

http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware

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J-e-f-f-A:

android6011: $39, free shipping: http://cgi.ebay.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-150-M . . . em1c0d557909

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wagnerrp:

anything on that list

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mchou:

ahh, avermedia m179

[02:47:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

oh, that's a 150. oops,

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android6011:

ya

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android6011:

wagnerrp: do all those have hardware encoders?

[02:48:24]

wagnerrp:

all ivtv cards are mpeg encoders

[02:48:52]

android6011:

ok

[02:50:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

android6011: seems the prices went 'up' a little bit – 49.99 shipped seems to be the current going price for a PVR-500 with the HP bracket...

[02:50:24]

android6011:

ya

[02:50:43]

android6011:

all the avermedia ones are single tuner only right?

[02:51:14]

mchou:

android6011: what sources are you trying to record from?

[02:51:26]

android6011:

analog cable

[02:51:42]

mchou:

android6011: forget pve-x50s

[02:51:47]

mchou:

pvr*

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mchou:

I recommend those only with svideo

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android6011:

mchou: then what should i get

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J-e-f-f-A:

android6011: Here's one with the 'regular' pci bracket, and the daughtercard with the 2nd tuner video ports – current auction is $26 1day 17hrs left... http://cgi.ebay.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-500-M . . . em4cebb965e3

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mchou:

android6011: get pvr-x50 and a vcr with svideo out :)

[02:52:52]

Loto:

damn thoes things are cheap now

[02:53:06]

mchou:

avoid pvr-x50 tuners

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android6011:

J-e-f-f-A: that does look like a good deal

[02:53:36]

mchou:

tuners on those things are virtual toys

[02:53:53]

mchou:

svideo on the other hand, perfectly fine

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J-e-f-f-A:

android6011: $8.50 shipping, and it'll probably go up close to $50... but bid what you're willing to pay, and if you win it, so be it. ;-)

[02:54:44]

** J-e-f-f-A has only used the S-video input on his PVR-xxx cards, and is still impressed with them to this day... ;-) **

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: that what I say :)

[02:56:10]

mchou:

android6011: where you live?

[02:56:17]

android6011:

mchou: US

[02:56:31]

mchou:

who is cable provider?

[02:57:55]

mchou:

android6011: who is cable provider?

[02:58:02]

android6011:

knology

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android6011:

i get a few clearqam channels but thats it

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mchou:

android6011: not familiar with them

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android6011:

ya they are pretty horrible

[02:58:48]

android6011:

but where ilive is under contract so

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J-e-f-f-A:

android6011: You could always switch to sattelite... ;-)

[02:59:18]

mchou:

android6011: you should see about firewire

[02:59:38]

mchou:

android6011: that might be better than buying pvr-x50s

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android6011:

i dont think im "allowed" to have satellite where i live either

[02:59:46]

android6011:

dont ask

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mchou:

android6011: what?

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android6011:

i doesnt fit the decour

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kd3:

you live in an apartment or a covenant-controlled community?

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wagnerrp:

could be some city ordinance against it

[03:00:06]

kd3:

lol

[03:00:08]

android6011:

both

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kd3:

ouch

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mchou:

android6011: city ordinance? since when did cities trump the feds?

[03:00:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

android6011: They do have sat dishes disguised as rocks, etc... and they're not 6' round anymore...

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android6011:

i didnt mean both two city ordinence

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android6011:

to**

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android6011:

its like an apartment complex

[03:01:06]

android6011:

but for houses

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Loto:

strata

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mchou:

android6011: that's against the federal rules afaik

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Loto:

no they can dictate that shit

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android6011:

ya

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android6011:

its in the contract too

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mchou:

android6011: anyways, try firewire first

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: if nothing else, your pointing out that site made me smile: http://us.fotolia.com/id/237555

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android6011:

i mean what are you going to say, ill pass up a place to live because of it

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mchou:

android6011: no

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android6011:

mchou: basic cable and the clearqam is "free" so i dont have a cable box atm

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mchou:

android6011: just because you sign a contract that violates federal law does not mean it's a legal contract

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android6011:

i dont think it violates federal laws though

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mchou:

android6011: you should look up the statute

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android6011:

especially when whole cities can dictate that only one provider is allowed

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sphery:

mchou: while they can't stop you, you do have to live with the other people in the apartment

[03:04:08]

** kd3 pokes the ASTA **

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mchou:

sphery: umm, I'm sure other people in the apt want competitors too

[03:04:37]

sphery:

and the apartment owners can make living there miserable if they dislike what you've done

[03:05:14]

mchou:

sphery: your making android6011 sound like he's some singular case

[03:05:37]

mchou:

sphery: it's pretty clear to me he's not a singular case

[03:05:48]

sphery:

well, even though the US Supreme Court said that my homeowner's association could not prevent my installing a large antenna for the purpose of reception of OTA broadcast TV, I put my antenna in my attic because it's a lot easier than dealing with the HOA.

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mchou:

sphery: cause plenty of apts and hoa have tried that stunt and failed

[03:06:17]

sphery:

and, now that I did, I'm /very/ happy I did it the hard way--because now I don't have to replace my antenna multiple times a year after storms.

[03:06:46]

android6011:

do they daughter boards for 150 work for 500?

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sphery:

I'm just saying that making all your neighbors (or even just the loud/annoying ones with nothing better to do than police stupid HOA/apartment rules) can make living where you live unbearable--whether you're within the bounds of the law or not.

[03:07:39]

sphery:

making them upset, that is

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J-e-f-f-A:

android6011: The a/v daughterboard, yes.

[03:07:56]

android6011:

ok

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android6011:

sphery: absolutely

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J-e-f-f-A:

android6011: mostly useless for a 150, (well, does provide additional inputs, but much more useful on a PVR-500, where it gives the 2nd tuner video inputs)

[03:09:08]

mchou:

sphery: that's fine and dandy, but rights unexercised are rights losts

[03:09:12]

mchou:

lost*

[03:09:39]

sphery:

I regret that I have but one address to risk...

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mchou:

sphery: how's that any different than living under the taliban?

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android6011:

i see the pvr 500 has 2 daughter board connectors, why?

[03:10:37]

sphery:

I'm just picking my fights.

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Dagmar:

Lord only knows

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J-e-f-f-A:

android6011: One is for the 2nd inputs for tuner #1 (useless IMHO), and the 2nd set is for the video inputs for the 2nd tuner.

[03:11:01]

Dagmar:

One of htem is for the second backplane piece htat has the second svideo and composite inputs

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android6011:

ok

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mchou:

sphery: I'm sure that's what a lot of people in the afghan villages said when the taliban started taking over

[03:12:07]

sphery:

only time will tell...

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mchou:

sphery: pretty sure aa lot of germans did that when hitler took over too

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android6011:

Final opinions before I make up my mind,PVR 500 or HVR 1600

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Seventoes:

is there a way to like.. vnc into my myth box without having to close mythfrontend?

[03:18:00]

Dagmar:

Yes.

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Seventoes:

vnc behind mythfrontend? lol

[03:18:06]

Dagmar:

...but not with VNC

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Seventoes:

ah how would i do it?

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android6011:

Seventoes: yes but i dont know how. it has something to do with separate sessions

[03:19:03]

** Seventoes begins googling **

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wagnerrp:

nearly all VNC implementations require you run a separate X session for vnc

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wagnerrp:

they do not allow attaching to an existing X session

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Seventoes:

i should prolly try connecting and see what happens before i start installing crap huh? lol

[03:20:46]

Dagmar:

Yet if you're needing to run a GUI tool, you can export the display to some other machine running X

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J-e-f-f-A:

Seventoes: I use NX (freenx on Linux, and the Free NoMachine NX Client on windoze)

[03:21:11]

Seventoes:

i'd be connecting from osx

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J-e-f-f-A:

Seventoes: I think they have a free NX client for osx too... check nomachine.com

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J-e-f-f-A:

Seventoes: Yep, they have an osx client. ;-) NX is SOOOOO much faster than VNC... ;-)

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Seventoes:

good to know :D

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Seventoes:

and this'll connect to a different session and let me do GUI stuff even if mythfrontend is running and doing stuff?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Seventoes: Yessir. You get a seperate session. ;-)

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Seventoes:

sweeet thanks :D

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J-e-f-f-A:

Seventoes: and you don't need X or anything installed on the client pc except the NX client.

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Seventoes:

nice

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J-e-f-f-A:

Seventoes: You can't watch video over it (not quite *that* fast), but it's like being on a "Remote Desktop" session on a local LAN, even across a WAN or internet link...

[03:27:59]

Seventoes:

yeah that's all i need

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Seventoes:

ah boo can't install till midnight.. recording shows lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

Seventoes: Yeah, it might take a little to get it setup and working right (the server side – freenx), but once you do, it's *awesome* – you'll never use VNC on a Linux box again... ;-) hehehehehe

[03:30:05]

Seventoes:

yeah i'll be checking it out :D

[03:30:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

Seventoes: What's your distribution?

[03:30:26]

Seventoes:

ubuntu

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Seventoes:

apt-get install freenx?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Seventoes: Probably — here's a site I found from my friend google... ;-) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=97277

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Seventoes:

2005? o.O

[03:32:20]

Seventoes:

ah ok it'll still work lol thanks

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J-e-f-f-A:

Seventoes: Looks like it's still relevant – maybe just try the apt-get without changing the repositories, and 1->3 would still have to be done. ;-)

[03:33:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

The client is just installed from nomachine.com, and you import the key from your 'client.id_dsa.key' file on your linux server. ;-)

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Seventoes:

J-e-f-f-A: Any particular reason they needed to split their NX client for OS X into 3 different apps? o.O

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J-e-f-f-A:

Seventoes: No idea...

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Seventoes:

lol :P

[03:50:34]

Seventoes:

now that it's working i don't remember what i needed to use the box for >.<

[03:51:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

Seventoes: Fast, eh? ;-)

[03:51:59]

Seventoes:

yeah it's nice!

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Seventoes:

J-e-f-f-A: And it'll be that fast even over a WAN? o.O

[03:58:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

Pretty much so... yes. ;-)

[03:59:03]

Seventoes:

nice :D thanks for showing me

[03:59:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

Seventoes: My work internet is only 1.5Mbps, and it flies there too. ;-)

[03:59:19]

Seventoes:

:D

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J-e-f-f-A:

Seventoes: I forget which of our fellow mythtv'ers told me about NX (I think it was one of our UK friends. ;-) ) – but I greatly appreciate him, and haven't looked back since... ;-)

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android6011:

anyone knew around that has hvr 1600?

[04:15:47]

android6011:

new*

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wagnerrp:

the kangaroo is back in tonights flash forward

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redparchel:

has anyone scheduled a video to play in mplayer via atd? i know this isnt the mplayer channel but they're a little quiet tonight, and i figured someone here MAY have tried it before

[04:16:08]

wagnerrp:

yet another completely arbitrary appearance

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android6011:

way to ruin it

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wagnerrp:

completely random

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wagnerrp:

i guess the kangaroo's are going to be the real cause of all this?

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android6011:

wagnerrp: on a 1 to 10 how would you rate flash forward?

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android6011:

i have them recorded just have not watched yet

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wagnerrp:

super-intelligent beings of from another dimension

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wagnerrp:

android6011: not very good yet

[04:17:15]

wagnerrp:

taking too long to have any meaningful direction

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android6011:

thats too bad

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android6011:

I love LOST

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Seventoes:

<3

[04:17:33]

Seventoes:

Lost ftw

[04:17:46]

Seventoes:

currently downloading the first 5 seasons lol

[04:18:11]

** wagnerrp points at the channel rules **

[04:18:22]

Seventoes:

uhh.. through legal channels of course

[04:18:25]

Seventoes:

paid for em all

[04:18:38]

Seventoes:

:x

[04:18:39]

wagnerrp:

itunes has them up?

[04:18:59]

wagnerrp:

or has amazon been expanding?

[04:19:02]

redparchel:

netflix perhaps?

[04:19:16]

wagnerrp:

well you dont download from netflix, streaming only

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Seventoes:

im using.. uhh.. a new service... which is in.. private beta? yeah thats it

[04:19:29]

redparchel:

touche

[04:20:04]

Seventoes:

called HuluNetTuneFlix

[04:20:09]

Seventoes:

.real

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redparchel:

oooO i'll have to try that one

[04:20:27]

Seventoes:

yeah i'll be out in a couple years

[04:20:27]

** redparchel googles HuluNetTuneFlix **

[04:20:46]

** Seventoes registers hulunettuneflix.com **

[04:20:46]

Seventoes:

lol

[04:20:55]

redparchel:

haha

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pat-:

/sb end

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** sphery is too lazy to type the nd in end **

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redparchel:

any one used mplayer via cron or atd?

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sphery:

why would you need to start a media player at a specific time?

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** wagnerrp tries to think of a scenario where one might want to run mplayer through cron **

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redparchel:

alarm clock!

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sphery:

ah... can be done

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sphery:

funny thing is I maintain a Myth box for some friends and I put a 'net radio script on there and for a while he did exactly that (but I still didn't think of that reason)

[04:29:37]

wagnerrp:

just make sure you set DISPLAY properly, and have the necessary X authentication

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sphery:

It works fine--just have to set it up right. I'm assuming you want to start music, so the easiest approach is to start mplayer in an environment with no DISPLAY

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sphery:

if there's no DISPLAY, it doesn't need X authority

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redparchel:

and if i wanted to start video?

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wagnerrp:

then you need those two things

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redparchel:

kk

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sphery:

then it's more complex--have to set the environment for DISPLAY and X auth--which is what wagnerrp said

[04:30:43]

sphery:

(2x before I said it :)

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redparchel:

ahhh i see it now!

[04:31:09]

sphery:

So, I'm guessing your video alarm clock is of a sunrise, right?

[04:31:22]

redparchel:

right

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sphery:

you could sell that thing--project it onto a nice wall in the bedroom :)

[04:31:52]

sphery:

get a USB projector for a Chumby and wow...

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wagnerrp:

need some heat lamps

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sphery:

oh, yeah.

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sphery:

and, while you're at it, might as well do some of those fluorescent tubes from a tanning bed

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redparchel:

hahaha

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sphery:

ah, there goes our millions: http://www.gadgetshack.com/light-therapy-sun- . . . t_kw=sunrise alarm http://www.amazon.com/Soleil-Sunrise-Alarm-Cl . . . p/B000T3Y2RA

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wagnerrp:

my sister has a alarm clock/lamp that does something very similar

[04:36:08]

wagnerrp:

just a bit array of white LEDs

[04:36:27]

sphery:

wow... some people are /way/ too into alarm clocks: http://www.blogcatalog.com/blog/alarm-clock-blog

[04:37:21]

wagnerrp:

i could stand to get one of those that you stick under your bed, and it starts punching you

[04:37:27]

wagnerrp:

i dont wake up

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redparchel:

thanks for the tips, i'll look into it tomorrow, looks like i'm waking up to the old alarm clock at least one more time

[04:45:48]

wagnerrp:

looks like V starts tuesday

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: The Sonic Boom? It works WELL

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wagnerrp:

i mean ill sleep through alarms, ill sleep through the radio

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wagnerrp:

i even slept through the fire klaxon right outside my dorm room a couple times

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Dagmar:

You won't sleep through the vibrator under your mattress.

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Dagmar:

That thing was making me wake up swingin

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wagnerrp:

the only thing i remember that consistently woke me up was when i had my bed lofted, with my desk underneath and rather large speakers attached to the posts

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wagnerrp:

if i forgot to turn off the subs, i was INSTANTLY up

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Dagmar:

That's pretty much how that vibrator works

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wagnerrp:

although i was also usually hit by something thrown by my roommate

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Dagmar:

If you have box springs, the whole thing starts to resonate

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Dagmar:

Plus you can change the pitch of the audible alarm so you don't wind up sleeping through something you're used to hearing

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wagnerrp:

when shows play a beatles song, why cant they just play the beatles song?

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wagnerrp:

why do they have to play a crappy cover

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crankharder:

for some reason I can't get my video collection to refresh

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crankharder:

the option is enabled in the settings to scan it w/ entering video manager, but it doesn't work

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crankharder:

can't seem to do it through mythweb either

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crankharder:

I'm using mythbuntu's nightlies, version: 22624

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wagnerrp:

theres an option to auto-scan when entering the video manager?

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, ive always used the scan option in the 'm' menu

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wagnerrp:

anyway... youre exiting mythvideo and letting it flush out of memory?

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iamlindoro:

There's no such option

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iamlindoro:

he's not running the scan at all

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iamlindoro:

he's expecting it to be as it always was

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iamlindoro:

(ie, he's entering video manager)

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wagnerrp:

well there you go... you just didnt read the migration guide

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide

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crankharder:

okay, I got it, thanx :)

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Dagmar:

I don't think it would ever be a good idea to rescan just for entering the inventory screen

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Dagmar:

Less horrifying would be to try for inotify support

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wagnerrp:

well it wasnt such a bad idea back when it still asked you before deleting stuff

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sphery:

it would definitely be annoying waiting for a scan every time you go in

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Dagmar:

Yep

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sphery:

kind of like how you wait for Windows to start every program you might possibly use in a session on every boot

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Dagmar:

MythMusic would become instantly unusable (ahaha not just that) if it did that

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sphery:

yeah, and the larger the collection, the worse the wait would be

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wagnerrp:

interesting, something has been hitting my printer at a sustained 6kbps for the last two hours

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DjMadness:

Hi, i am currently running analog tv with mythtv, however i am looking for a DVB-C card, does anyone know if theres any cards with CI/CAM support under linux ?

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wagnerrp:

i would try at linuxtv.org

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Makere:

I like my terratec cinergy, but the CI isn't supported on it

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DjMadness:

ye ive been looking at that card

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Makere:

I never got the remote to work neither

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DjMadness:

i am using a iguanaIR remote receiver. never been able to get a tv card's remote to work under linux.

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Seventoes:

J-e-f-f-A: /join #nx

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Seventoes:

oops >.<

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LonEagle:

anyone ever run into a situation where you try to delete a file at the frontend but it just won't delete?

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DjMadness:

LonEagle: sure it aint put in a queue ? (slow delete)

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LonEagle:

i don't have slow delete enabled

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LonEagle:

also, i tried deleting this same program at least 24 hours ago

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LonEagle:

and i don't think it's the particular one, i think there's others

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LonEagle:

it seems to be related to things i recorded when the file and its db entry were on a different system

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DjMadness:

LonEagle: cant think of a direct solution, but a workaround would be to manually delete the file and remove the database infomation about the file (doubt its the recomended fix)

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LonEagle:

yeah, i suppose i could do that.

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LonEagle:

is there any way to see the autoexpire list in mythweb?

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DjMadness:

Makere: ill just go for the terratec cinergy, at least atm i am on unencrypted cable.

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DjMadness:

LonEagle: sorry, i dont know, never used mythweb...

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DjMadness:

well i am gonna hit the sack now... need some sleep g'nite all

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LonEagle:

oh it was a stupid permissions problem from copying them over – wrong user

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linagee6:

is there some kind of TV thing going on right now? :( no new episodes of anything

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linagee6:

sports or something? argh

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eFfeM:

hi, i'm having trouble with mythweb (from yesterday svn): time is one hour off, and although i specified 24hr format some of the times remain in 12hr format

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eFfeM:

anyone an idea how to fix this?

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janneg:

eFfeM: the time settings in mythweb are a convoluted and not effected by the 12/24h setting, change the translation to english uk or the individuell time strings

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justdave:

hmm, Ubuntu Karmic appears to have mythtv 0.22rc1 in it.

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justdave:

which means if I'm going to upgrade I have to upgrade every machine in my house at once. lovely.

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justinh:

heh. I'm still on erm... 8.10 I think

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justinh:

no rush to upgrade distro

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eFfeM:

janneg, ok, will do, any idea on why the clock is one hour off (backend is ok, I also already changged php.ini)

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justdave:

oh, jya has 0.21 built against karmic in his repo actually.

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justdave:

just no themes

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justdave:

themes are easy to install manually though

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janneg:

eFfeM: is the time zone correct? is the displayed time utc?

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justinh:

justdave: there are only 3 themes for 0.22 as of now

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justdave:

mythbuntu has 6 in their repo

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justdave:

I had to uninstall them to get 0.21 to not crash :)

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justdave:

I meant 0.21 themes though (since I can install 0.21 from jya to buy me some upgrade time)

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justdave:

actually, had to uninstall them to get the 0.21 mythtv-common package to install

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justinh:

wtf? lol

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justdave:

they only actually crashed if I tried to select one of them :)

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justinh:

when the version checking comes in, the older themes really will be dead. Muhahaha

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justinh:

that really shouldn't happen

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eFfeM:

janneg: the time I get is gmt, i've set the timezone in php.ini

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eFfeM:

and switching language indeed changed the time format

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janneg:

eFfeM: I suspect it's problem with the time zone

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eFfeM:

janneg: is there another way to set it (apart from php.ini)

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eFfeM:

will be diving into the php code later today (multitasking atm)

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janneg:

eFfeM: no idea, I'm just a mythweb user and no php developer

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simonckenyon:

i just set the timezone once for the OS and then it all just worked

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justinh:

that's how it should be

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Dibblah:

Yeah. Modifying php.ini seems... Unnecessary.

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** justinh smacks ubuntu over the head repeatedly **

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eFfeM:

Dibblah: php has its own notion of timezones and dst etc. there is a var in php.ini called date.timezone; various google posts point to that

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Dibblah:

Yes. Never found it necessary.

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Dibblah:

So it seems likely that hacking there is incorrect.

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eFfeM:

simonckenyon: the time I get under linux is correct

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Dibblah:

... Running as what user?

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eFfeM:

Dibblah: without modding php.ini it was also wrong

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Dibblah:

There are two users involved in the Myth side – mythtv and the web server user (http, etc)

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eFfeM:

dibblah, i am running a remote backend; the time on the backend is correct; the time on the system on which i run the browser is also ok

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Dibblah:

"time" is variable.

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Dibblah:

The offset is in the TZ environment variable.

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Dibblah:

Again, hacking around in the php.ini is incorrect.

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Dibblah:

Myth handles (ish) DST.

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Dibblah:

If you are getting incorrect times, fix it at the source.

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eFfeM:

ok, will look at TZ actually it is not set, but date gives me the correct time

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eFfeM:

Dibblah: thought php.ini was the solution several solutions in myth fora point to it

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simonckenyon:

that is what i have here also – correct time and no TZ var set

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simonckenyon:

i do have a correct /etc/localtime

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eFfeM:

simonckenyon: what timezone are you in? I am in CET, /etc/localtime is ok here too

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simonckenyon:

i am in GMT

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eFfeM:

simonckenyon: ah, but GMT is easy, I have GMT time too (but I am in CET)

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eFfeM:

no need for offsetting for GMT

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Dibblah:

You have CET time.

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eFfeM:

yes

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Dibblah:

Which is one hour ahead of GMT.

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eFfeM:

yes and the time in mythweb is one hour too early so GMT

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eFfeM:

date says: Fri Oct 30 11:56:37 CET 2009

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Dibblah:

Again. Myth and mythweb handle DST correctly, as long as the OS is not misconfigured.

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simonckenyon:

you have restarted apache each time you've made a change?

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eFfeM:

mythweb says 10.57

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eFfeM:

simonckenyon: yes

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Dibblah:

Hacking around in random configuration files which are not /etc/timezone is not the right way to do it.

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eFfeM:

Dibblah: you already told that

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Dibblah:

/etc/localtime, even.

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Dibblah:

Try running mythfilldatabase.

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eFfeM:

Dibblah: filling the database again will not help, the database is ok, the backend is ok and record at the right time, the schedules are there etc. it is the time in the web page that is off.

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eFfeM:

Dibblah: this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeb#Time_Stamp_is_off_by_an_hour came up with the php.ini suggestion

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eFfeM:

yeah, I know it is a wiki but it is on mythtv.org so it has some authority for me and this one definitely talks about php.ini

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eFfeM:

see also the remark that php has its own timezone info

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eFfeM:

i do *NOT* consider editing php.ini according to the instructions in the wiki as "hacking random configuration files" ....

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Dibblah:

Instructions in the wiki are written by random people and audited very, very seldom.

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Dibblah:

CET does not have the issue described by that section.

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eFfeM:

i know, but it is better than nothing and since it is the mythtv.org wiki i would give it some credit

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luke_:

hello, i installed 0.22 but now i cannot access mythweb?

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justinh:

you mean 0.22RC1

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** stuarta wonders if we got around to cutting rc2 last night **

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luke_:

yes sorry

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luke_:

is there documentation somewhere for installing / using 0.22?

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eFfeM:

btw wrt my mythweb problem, I've written a small php file which echoes the time and that one gives the proper time (of course running on the same server and viewed in the same browser)

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justinh:

luke_: course there is

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justinh:

first port of call should be the mythtv.org website documentation section

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justinh:

the source also contains docs, so should any packages you installed

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justinh:

for mythweb install instructions you should read the provided INSTALL & README files

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justinh:

though I'd expect any packaging to do everything for you

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daubers:

Hey all, can I schedule playback of certain channels/inputs at certain times using mythtv? (Thats at say 2pm change from watching a composite input on a capture card to a file on the local disk)

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

least not without scripting externally

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justinh:

making use of the telnet control interface

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** justinh smacks ubuntu over the head repeatedly AGAIN **

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stuarta:

what has it done to you this time?

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justinh:

just being crap as usual

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justinh:

apps are taking longer & longer to start up, close, work...

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** stuarta builds mysql-workbench for fun and profit **

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justinh:

a simple ps to find out wtf is going on is taking yonks too

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justinh:

might change to mandriva just out of sheer spite

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justinh:

wtf? load average: 1.20, 4.63, 3.95

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justinh:

ouch

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eFfeM:

Dibblah: still struggling with my problem but found this in the INSTALL of mythweb:

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eFfeM:

PHP tries to determine the system's local timezone settings automatically

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eFfeM:

but may not be successful on every distribution. To ensure that PHP uses

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eFfeM:

the correct timezone, edit php.ini and configure the date.timezone variable

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eFfeM:

to your local timezone.

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eFfeM:

still I am seeing that strftime in mythweb returns a different value than in my app

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benklop:

hmm.. somehow my database contains records for current recordings for every show recorded november 23–24 2006.. those shows are long LONG gone

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wagnerrp:

oldrecorded

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wagnerrp:

keeps a record of every show you have ever recorded

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wagnerrp:

so it knows not to record it again

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benklop:

no, these are in recorded

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wagnerrp:

then you have orphaned recordings, there is a script in contrib to clean those up

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benklop:

yeah.. a few of them are messing up jamu

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benklop:

it doesn't know what to do with the accented e in pokemon, although i'm sure _I_ never recorded that....

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benklop:

and so jamu crashes

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iamlindoro:

jamu is fine with that accent

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iamlindoro:

read the jamu page

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iamlindoro:

your locale is broken

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wagnerrp:

you need to set up 'LANG'

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wagnerrp:

yes... UTF is a bitch

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benklop:

either that or the database is wrong

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wagnerrp:

its what iamlindoro said, do that

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wagnerrp:

if youre still having problems, then we can try to diagnose

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benklop:

since I had some partial corruption thing..

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benklop:

ok, i don't think it'll be an issue after i get rid of these orphans though

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iamlindoro:

it'll be an issue in the future-- you need to fix your core problem

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wagnerrp:

if the database is wrong, JAMU just wont find any images for the recording and will continue silently

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wagnerrp:

the fact that it crashed means either your environment is wrong, or there is something to fix in JAMU

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RDV_Linux:

benklop: see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu#This_stupid_t . . . _not_work.21 #5

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wagnerrp:

crashes are bad, and must always be fixed

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benklop:

alright.. just FYI the exact error is UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe9' in position 26: ordinal not in range(128)

[15:24:58]

iamlindoro:

Yes, that's the "user hasn't read the wiki page" error

[15:25:12]

wagnerrp:

PEBKAC

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benklop:

lol, oki read it... just decided to see what it would do out of the box first

[15:25:31]

benklop:

and perhaps not the whole thing

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RDV_Linux:

benklop: Do the locale environment fix then retry. If Jamu still crashes then report back in this channel.

[15:26:14]

benklop:

ok. still, it made me aware of an orphan problem

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RDV_Linux:

benklop: Fixing the orphans will cut down on unnecessary downloads.

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eFfeM:

for all those who were bothered with my timezone problem: I found the cause. apparently mythweb looks at /etc/timezone before looking at /etc/localtime and /etc/timezone had wrong info; removing /etc/timezone did not help; mythweb caches and the test to update the cache daily is wrong

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eFfeM:

after fixing that my time is ok :-)

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benklop:

i've fixed my locale and gotten rid of orphans.. no crashes now.

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benklop:

would it be a good idea to make jamu exit with an error rather than a crash if it notices something like that?

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RDV_Linux:

benklop: You had not configured your environment properly (as specified in the wiki). Unfortunately a weakness of python versions less than 3.x id the handling of unicode strings. Jamu is getting the data from a number of sources e.g. file names and the web dealing with unicode is like plugging a dike with your fingers.

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RDV_Linux:

benklop: Just configure your environment correctly and the the dike will hold.

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justinh:

I put my fing.. nah, better keep that to myself

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benklop:

yeah.. sorry about that. I'm starting to wish I hadn't built my backend on gentoo

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justinh:

yeah I wish you hadn't too

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benklop:

i didn't know better 4 years ago

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justinh:

neither did I :)

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justinh:

and I'm starting to tire of ubuntu's constant protecting me from myself

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benklop:

yeah.. that tired me too

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benklop:

the coverart usage in graphite is amazing, but I wish it wasn't so cluttered

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wagnerrp:

youre perfectly free to change it, space the entries out, lower the count, enlarge the images, ...

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benklop:

wagnerrp: and i might. I've yet to look at the other themes though

[15:49:49]

benklop:

does terra use coverart?

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justinh:

nope

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wagnerrp:

yes, they all use coverart

[15:50:21]

justinh:

poop thought you meant fan art

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benklop:

does terra use it for recordings, or just videos?

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justinh:

just videos AFAIK

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wagnerrp:

somewhere on trac, theres a couple changes to a couple lines that adds fanart to terra

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if it still works

[15:51:07]

wagnerrp:

and yes, mythvideo only

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benklop:

that might be cool

[15:51:13]

justinh:

it's like a 3 line change ffs

[15:51:19]

wagnerrp:

yeah

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benklop:

would it be a theme change, or a mythtv change in order to get fanart to transition smoothly? ie fade from black or between covers

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wagnerrp:

the latter

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benklop:

it certainly would make things feel smoother

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iamlindoro:

patchy patchy

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justinh:

wow. nobody else has even thought of that one :-\

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justinh:

for me it's a case of no transition, no fanart

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benklop:

what do you mean?

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justinh:

changing backgrounds like that is way too jarring

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benklop:

yeah.. that was my thought too

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benklop:

iamlindoro: i'll put it on my list of patches to make... i'm gonna have to take a weekend and look into the code eventually here

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benklop:

:-P

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justinh:

heh, good luck with that

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wagnerrp:

its very likely already on someone elses (long) list

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wagnerrp:

but if you get it out first, more power to you

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wagnerrp:

im sure the other person wont mind

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benklop:

well I at least am familiar with Qt 4, so that should help..

[15:57:05]

benklop:

but I don't actually know anything about how to program Qt to fade an image in or out

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justinh:

nope

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benklop:

lol, why not?

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justinh:

and there is no inbuilt class to fade images in & out

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iamlindoro:

because myth's UI code is home grown, not Qt

[15:58:07]

justinh:

it just happens to use some qt image classes

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benklop:

well so if Qt's image classes can be made to fade, then mythUI can fade right?

[15:58:52]

justinh:

nope

[15:59:03]

benklop:

lol, you're full of positive answers today

[15:59:09]

wagnerrp:

nope

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justinh:

qt4.5 doesn't have any means to do it

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justinh:

it'll also mean a major change to the UI code

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iamlindoro:

it's not a matter of positive or negative answers-- it's statements of fact

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benklop:

yeah, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to subclass QImage to QFadeImage and implement it there...

[16:00:23]

wagnerrp:

http://gizmodo.com/5372927/friday-is-the-perf . . . -office-riot

[16:00:30]

justinh:

it'll have to be threaded too

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justinh:

unless you want users to be happy to wait

[16:00:39]

benklop:

does mythUI just change the image in a single QImage on each change, or does it create and destroy a QImage every time?

[16:00:49]

iamlindoro:

If you want to contribute to Myth UI code — and by all means, please do, it would be great to have more people working on it-- that means taking a careful learning look at MythUI

[16:00:53]

justinh:

the latter I think

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justinh:

oops more likely to be the first out of those

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benklop:

ok, actually that would probably make things a lot easier

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benklop:

still, i think it could be implemented as a subclass of QImage, then that QFadingImage would be a drop-in replacement in mythui wherever an image should fade

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benklop:

justinh: what were you talking about users being happy to wait?

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justinh:

it'd have to be timed & threaded

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justinh:

so the user doesn't have to wait for the transition to finish

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justinh:

and AFAIK there's no QFadingImage in 4.5

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benklop:

no, there isn't

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benklop:

I just made tat name up as it seemed fitting

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justinh:

4.6 has loads of inbuilt animation classes

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justinh:

no point reinventing the wheel

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benklop:

but since 4.6 isn't out, can't really depend on it

[16:10:56]

justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

so we get stuck with another shoehorned in feature

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justinh:

it'll be out by the end of the year they say, and distros shouldn't be far behind that I'd hope

[16:13:03]

benklop:

yeah..

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benklop:

on the other hand you could use the alphablending feature of QImage.. fade to black on each one

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justinh:

fade to transparent

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justinh:

and fade the other image's opacity up

[16:14:22]

justinh:

or have a choice

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justinh:

fade to $colour

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justinh:

make it themable

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justinh:

maybe make the transition class more universal, not just applying to images – everything in mythui instead

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iamlindoro:

It would likely have to be

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justinh:

since every element can have alpha :)

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benklop:

that's true

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iamlindoro:

remember the "everything belongs in the painters" debacle of '08

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benklop:

is there a link? I wasn't paying attention most of that year

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justinh:

and rather than the 'amount' based xfades of screenstack, have a fade *timed*

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iamlindoro:

No, it's nothing that went on anywehre on a list or logged

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justinh:

so it'll take 50msec or whatever

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justinh:

not 100 x 1% alpha changes at $speed-of-your-box

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justinh:

so much of the original mythui stuff is hard-wired it hurts

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Dibblah:

Less than the original UI ;)

[16:20:34]

justinh:

nope. screenstack transitions. you have them with gl, or don't have them with qt. :-(

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justinh:

just because I got a frontend where they became tolerable doesn't mean I like them :P

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justinh:

did somebody already put a delay on loading fanart images ?

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iamlindoro:

yep

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justinh:

that'd lessen the jarring effect – not changing it immediately when flicking through

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justinh:

might not be too hard to put a timed alpha fade on any of the UI components

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justinh:

look at alphapulse, e.g.

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justinh:

xfading.. harder

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benklop:

fading from one image to the next would be a little harde tho

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justinh:

though you could always eat up a bit more RAM having lastimage=currentimage; loadnextimage; fadeOUTlastimage; fadeINnextimage

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benklop:

i assume that's what you meant

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justinh:

yeah

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justinh:

where fadeOUT and fadeIN reduce & increase alpha respectively

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justinh:

but that'd end up being hard-wired

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justinh:

go see how xbmc does it :P

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justinh:

fading out, then fading in separately would still be better than a jump though

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benklop:

justinh: maybe that logic you just described could be put in a separate UI element and the theme could choose whether it wants to use that or not

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benklop:

not sure how mythUI is on that..

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justinh:

but ffs put it on a <speed> tag, not <delay> and <amount> tag

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benklop:

i havn't looked yet

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justinh:

I mean a definite timer, not bound to the gfx speed

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justinh:

then again I'm not sure if I'd rather a smooth slow effect or a fast but jerky one

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justinh:

maybe doing stuff on timers would let you do 'easing' too

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benklop:

easing?

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quicksilver:

if you give it a total time (i.e. allow 1 second for effect)

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justinh:

i.e. slow down something like a movement as it gets to the finish point

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quicksilver:

then it can use as many frames as your card permits

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quicksilver:

(or as few as it allows)

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justinh:

yeah exactly

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quicksilver:

and always run at the same speed.

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quicksilver:

(in one sense of the word 'speed')

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justinh:

rather than saying 255 iterations of 1 unit change

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justinh:

which might take 20 mins on an Ion box :P

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quicksilver:

the standard easing is an S-shaped curve, tends to make things look rather nice

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justinh:

4.6 has all this stuff already

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quicksilver:

but not if you chain two together to make one long effect, then you get a weird slow-down in the middle :)

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justinh:

might save a hell of a lot of work

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justinh:

quicksilver: heh

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justinh:

it's sure a lot more flexible to do everything yourself but by God...

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justinh:

as opposed to import libclutter;

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justinh:

there's a heck of a price tag

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benklop:

heh

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justinh:

I was gunning for all kinds of improvements til I learned about qt 4.6

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justinh:

well that & the helpful suggestion themes take on scripting capacity

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justinh:

4.6 fun stuff might be as simple as bolting on a couple of things & reading some xml in

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justinh:

since it's all nicely keyed into how qt graphics stuff works already

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justinh:

benklop: maybe. UI elements could have a <fadein> and a <fadeout> tag

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benklop:

justinh: that would be convenient.

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justinh:

entirely depends how the ui is drawn like you asked earlier

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justinh:

food for thought anyway I hope

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justinh:

time to go home

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benklop:

yeah.. i've got actual work to do

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jduggan:

actual what?

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benklop:

oh, sorry, I meant .. um.. stuff.

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tenky:

hi, i'm trying to find some support for hauppauge 2250.. when recording.. i'm getting these messages from the kernel (dmesg's output) http://pastebin.org/49556

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tenky:

it seems it is working alright, even recording 2 channels at the same time

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tenky:

but when i try to view a recording, on a remote frontend

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tenky:

the backend starts doing these errors

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iamlindoro:

You should seek help in #linuxtv, and those errors pertain to it, not myth

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iamlindoro:

s/and/as/

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benklop:

i'm seeing the wrong info with the wrong videos for some videos in my collection... jamu may be doing something silly

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RDV_Linux:

benklop: An example file name please.

[17:06:53]

RDV_Linux:

benklop: At times you need to use the jamu.conf file to add entries that will override the title parsed from the file name.

[17:07:32]

RDV_Linux:

benklop: To correct issues with already updated metadata use MythVideo to reset and then download the metadata.

[17:07:46]

benklop:

well running through jamu looked okay. filename "national treasure.avi", however national treasure's info is on the video named "monty python and the holy grail.avi" and the info from "the italian job.avi" is on National Treasure. Italian Job's info is blank.

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benklop:

it's finding the right info but putting it in the wrong place

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iamlindoro:

sounds like broken database

[17:08:44]

benklop:

all these videos are new in the database

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iamlindoro:

or possibly a very out of date copy of bindings, I suppose

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RDV_Linux:

benklop: I have never seen that one nor has anyone ever reported such an issue.

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benklop:

RDV_Linux: okay, well, i'd like to just wipe the mythvideo portion of my database and try again...

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benklop:

what tables do I clear? just everything video* ?

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RDV_Linux:

benklop: You can just configure MythVideo (SG's or FE video dir) to point to a dir with no videos and then rescan in MythVideo.

[17:14:05]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: interesting thread here...http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.ffmpeg.devel/97440

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elmojo:

would be nice to have support for that eventually

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RDV_Linux:

benklop: You will loose ALL your metadata including intref numbers which will needed to be added back in

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RDV_Linux:

benklop: After rescanning change your SG or FE video settings back and go to it.

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: Have been following, we should pick it up in the next sync

[17:16:12]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: AFAICT it should be transparent as far as myth is concerned

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elmojo:

yep, it will be nice for us using spdif

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: Well... you know that not all TrueHD is muxed w/ AC3, right?

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iamlindoro:

in fact, almost none of it is

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iamlindoro:

There are about a half dozen Blu rays out there that do that

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elmojo:

true, but AC3 is required for Bluray, right?

[17:17:35]

iamlindoro:

At least a stereo track, sure-- but the above patch doesn't really pertain to that

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elmojo:

it's the only mandatory audio codec

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iamlindoro:

it just allows playbackof those couple of blu rays that use the bizarre THD/AC3 combined mux

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elmojo:

heh, yes I guess they could create a Bluray with a "poor" AC3 track

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iamlindoro:

for a long, long time there was only one Blu ray that did it, but the number that does is still ~ a half dozen

[17:19:08]

elmojo:

sure, but I usually like solutions to work for "everything" :0

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iamlindoro:

As do I

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iamlindoro:

just wasn't quite sure about the "us using spdif" comment, wanted to make sure you didn't think they all did that

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elmojo:

didn't know it was a rarity so thanks for that info

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elmojo:

I just hope some of my patches get backported eventually

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iamlindoro:

hope so :)

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iamlindoro:

have not seen a lot of janneg lately but I'm sure he wouldn't mind a friendly ping at least on the AVFD ones

[17:21:57]

elmojo:

I've been playing with new libav seek API...

[17:23:01]

elmojo:

noticed it was a GSOC item too but didn't see much at all from that effort

[17:23:37]

Dibblah:

Does anything useful ever get committed from GSOC, I wonder :(

[17:23:51]

iamlindoro:

the ffmpeg guys definitely seem to get the best results of anyone

[17:23:56]

iamlindoro:

though they still have their failures

[17:24:16]

iamlindoro:

but still, TrueHD decode, ffmpeg-mt, SPDIF muxing, MPEG-TS muxing... all were GSoC projects

[17:24:17]

elmojo:

didn't the wmapro decoder get developed under GSOC

[17:24:23]

iamlindoro:

yep, that too

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elmojo:

that's some good stuff

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iamlindoro:

Think the qualification task they do is very smart

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Dibblah:

Hmm. ffmpeg has TS muxing now?

[17:25:38]

iamlindoro:

that way you meet a certain bar even to apply

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** Dibblah seems to recall there was some reason why Myth wanted that... **

[17:26:01]

iamlindoro:

Dibblah: yeah, though I think it's still a work in progress

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: it doesn't seem many people use the Internal player yet

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elmojo:

if so I'm sure I wouldn't have ran into so many issues

[17:28:44]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: Any new install from .22 on will default everything possible to Internal

[17:29:05]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: a lot of people use mplayer out of ignorance (because mplayer was the default video player setting until a few months ago)

[17:29:07]

elmojo:

maybe 0.22 can change that... which is why I'd like the fixes to get backported

[17:29:28]

elmojo:

if they run into some of the issues I've hit most will just revert back

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: We're not applying anything but crash fixes and image additions for Terra until the release (which ought to be soon) so it's not as though anyone is stonewalling on backports

[17:30:20]

elmojo:

understood, and not complaining

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iamlindoro:

if you're anxious, ping Janne or maybe Daniel

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elmojo:

no rush here... I'm aware of the pending release

[17:31:23]

elmojo:

I imagine everyone will move to 0.22-fixes at some point anyways

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elmojo:

does most of the distros push out a periodic -fixes release?

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MTughan:

sphery: Just got Myth set up using VGA now, and while I can't quite get the proper resolution, it is looking quite nice.

[17:34:09]

wagnerrp:

big step up from your 350?

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MTughan:

At least with the OSD, yes.

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: Mythbuntu has their nightly fixes builds, I'm not sure on the others

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wagnerrp:

probably good to change sooner rather than later

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wagnerrp:

i imagine if anything ever changes that breaks playback on it, it will just get dropped rather than fixed

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benklop:

RDV_Linux: i'm not sure what happened last time, but a re-scan as you suggested made it work correctly

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RDV_Linux:

benklop: Glad to read it. Enjoy

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wagnerrp:

you may have had bad characters left over in the database (due to using gentoo/latin-1 mysql), and jamu was using the database record rather than the filename

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wagnerrp:

although usually those kinds of things would block a schema upgrade

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simonckenyon:

would be nice to have a button on each settings page which reverts to the defaults – i sometimes make a change and it can be weeks before it bites me

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wagnerrp:

well you can wipe the whole lot, but thats not really ideal either

[17:41:15]

sphery:

MTughan: Good. I think you'll like it much better than the PVR-350 TV out--you get a /lot/ more capability. And, the higher resolution is extremely useful (and square pixels--once you get the resolution set up).

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simonckenyon:

don't want to wipe all the settings – just the current page or so

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simonckenyon:

like what is the default renderer – i have no idea – i've tricked around so much – would have to look at the code to know

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MTughan:

sphery: What more capabilities?

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MTughan:

Also, I can't get the resolution right because dpkg-configure doesn't have widescreen resolutions.

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wagnerrp:

MTughan: youre no longer restricted to what the 350 framebuffer supports

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MTughan:

Er, dpkg-reconfigure.

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wagnerrp:

namely, support for higher resultions, better painters, and the ability to play back HD content

[17:45:05]

MTughan:

Well, we'll need a different tuner for HD content first. ;)

[17:46:11]

sphery:

MTughan: OpenGL painter (which is required for some themes), ffwd > 3x, resolution > 720x480, ability to play back any kind of video your system can decode (I think even if you use PVR-350 TV out Xv support, the scaling is /very/ limited, so high-def stuff doesn't work)

[17:46:18]

sphery:

and many more

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sphery:

basically, the PVR-350 TV out is unloved and bitrotting (because the hardware is far less capable than any video card you can buy today)

[17:47:06]

MTughan:

Well, we're cheap. ;)

[17:47:07]

iamlindoro:

and will be gone baby gone shortly

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eFfeM:

wagnerrp: all, wanted to let you know that after a lot of hassle my mythtv backend and mythweb are working; discovered and fixed a bug on the way :-) thanks for all your help; (and will probably get back to you when I start playing with it or start with the frontend)

[17:52:33]

wagnerrp:

why cant the phoneco just tell me their schedule for my street...

[17:52:46]

eFfeM:

btw is ther an easy way to delete things from the recording scheme ?

[17:52:51]

wagnerrp:

im just a couple blocks from the DSLAM and want my precious fiber

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wagnerrp:

'd'

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wagnerrp:

or 'm' --> delete

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eFfeM:

wagnerrp: they want to let you feel that they are in charge ; monopoly ....

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benklop:

is there a way to make mythtv NOT suspend pulseaudio?

[17:53:42]

wagnerrp:

apparently theyre hitting apartment buildings and complexes first

[17:53:55]

eFfeM:

yup, larger volume = more revenue

[17:53:55]

benklop:

i know nobody will understand, but I need mythtv running through it

[17:54:01]

wagnerrp:

which would explain why they were hitting a couple buildings on the avenue, and on the other side of town

[17:54:23]

wagnerrp:

benklop: yes, there is a env flag you can set to force mythtv to use pulse audio

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall what it is offhand

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benklop:

any idea where I can locate that?

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wagnerrp:

understand that it will almost certainly be broken (bad a/v sync)

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wagnerrp:

its listed somewhere in the ticket for the pulseaudio output driver

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squidly:

why do people insist on using pulseaudio?

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squidly:

or ESD or things like that?

[17:56:10]

wagnerrp:

they do have their place, but they are not needed for nearly all users

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eFfeM:

wagnerrp: d and m do not work, I'm in the recording scheme screen, have two entries, they are done, not planned or so, I can only select by title then get a popup but d does not work, i have click on the title link to actually delete

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wagnerrp:

i do not know what the 'recording scheme' screen is

[17:57:03]

wagnerrp:

you mean the recording rule list?

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squidly:

wagnerrp: what place. I dont really know what it does, other then break my sound for me, and makes me remove it

[17:57:35]

wagnerrp:

squidly: as a sound server, pumping sound to remote machines

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eFfeM:

wagnerp sorry meant recording schedules, translated improperly

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wagnerrp:

yeah, there is no way to easily delete multiples

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wagnerrp:

you just have to go in to each one and cycle them to 'do not record'

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benklop:

wagnerrp: i had it working well with pulse in .21

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eFfeM:

wagnerrp: ok, understood

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eFfeM:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

benklop: you watched video for more than a couple minutes straight?

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benklop:

wagnerrp: used it for most of last year with pulse underneath

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wagnerrp:

then you are the rare user that did not have problems

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benklop:

up until just recently when I enabled spdif output, but I still use pulse in-between for mythmusic and mythvideo when there aren't AC3 tracks

[18:00:19]

benklop:

wagnerrp: that's because I was very careful in how I set it up

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benklop:

but it allowed myth to play music throughout my house

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squidly:

wagnerrp: I cant really think of a need to pump sound to a remote machine. Save for pushing it to some kind of player

[18:01:08]

wagnerrp:

squidly: see benklop's example above

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benklop:

squidly: i have a few netbooting boxes that all they do is start up pulseaudio in recieving mode and hook to speakers

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wagnerrp:

other examples would be a thin client

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clever:

benklop: but how do you get audio going to several receivers?

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benklop:

that's how I get sound in my garage, my basement, and my bedroom

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wagnerrp:

where your local machine is nothing more than an X server

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wagnerrp:

and you run all programs remotely

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squidly:

ahh ok

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benklop:

clever: pulseaudio can broadcast multicast RTP audio.. so anybody on the network can play it

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clever:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

the problem with such a distribution system is syncing it

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wagnerrp:

chances are your playback was off by several tens of ms between systems

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clever:

the digital STB has the same problem

[18:02:55]

clever:

the STB is several seconds late

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benklop:

wagnerrp: it's a few milliseconds off, but you don't notice it unless you listen carefully.

[18:02:56]

wagnerrp:

which means if your zones are too close together, it sounds bad

[18:03:11]

clever:

so if you can hear a plain old analog tv, you get major desync between the rooms

[18:03:48]

clever:

the STB is several whole words behinds the plain analog tv

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benklop:

clever: the fact that my amplifier in the living room has a few ms of lag anyway helps even out things between the remote stations and it

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benklop:

I don't actually have any analog TVs, and i'm running OTA so there's no way an analog TV would recieve anythnig anymore anyway

[18:04:48]

clever:

ah

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clever:

i think my problem is from the digital part of the STB

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clever:

the remote end has to encode everything

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benklop:

wagnerrp: FYI the variable is EXPERIMENTALLY_ALLOW_PULSE_AUDIO

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wagnerrp:

thats the one...

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benklop:

wagnerrp: also FYI it appears to work acceptably on my system running fedora 12

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benklop:

with the ALSA driver, not the experimental pulse one

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wagnerrp:

give it some time to run, see if the audio stays in sync

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benklop:

will do

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gbee:

what's the difference between the Caviar Green/Blue apart from cache? Suitable for system drives?

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wagnerrp:

green is low rpm, blue only exists in 2.5" anymore

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iamlindoro:

The caviar green is the low power/variable speed drive tuned for lower power consumption and noise

[18:52:20]

iamlindoro:

All my drives are greens, I'm very very happy with them

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gbee:

500GB I'm looking at is 7200rpm for both the green and blue, only thing that immediately jumps out from the description on Ebuyer is the difference in cache

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iamlindoro:

the 7200 quote on the green is max speed, but it is in actuality variable

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iamlindoro:

the blue runs at a fixed 7200

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gbee:

I'd be happy with 5400rpm if it performed decently, my latest Samsung _claims_ to be faster than a 7200rpm but spins at just 5400

[18:54:05]

gbee:

iamlindoro: ok, that's interesting, I like the sound of that

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iamlindoro:

gbee: manage to salvage anything?

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wagnerrp:

you get a 1.5–2tb drive, the areal density on there is so high that it outperforms a 300gb velociraptor for most of the disk

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wagnerrp:

at least for linear throughput

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gbee:

iamlindoro: quite a lot it seems, but I won't really know until I get the machine back to working order and see whether the files are corruption free

[18:55:57]

iamlindoro:

will send happy thoughts

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jduggan:

what happened?

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gbee:

even if the PSU was the cause I'm not risking the drive again, it was old anyway, so new drive and new PSU

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wagnerrp:

oh, you are looking at laptop drives

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wagnerrp:

what for?

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gbee:

wagnerrp: no, 3.5"

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wagnerrp:

a 500GB one?

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gbee:

yeah, it's a system/home drive, never ever going to fill 500GB, current one is barely 50% full and it's just 120GB ... or 160GB

[18:58:18]

gbee:

yes the 1TB+ drives are better value, but if I'm not going to use 2/3s of the space, is it really worth spending an additional £20?

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iamlindoro:

I have *one* non-green drive in my system, it's a 10,000 RPM 74 GB... I've almost become accustomed to its horrible racket

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gbee:

if I could get a 250GB for £20–25 I'd would, but they just don't exist, so 500GB it is ... ~£36

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jduggan:

i have a pretty limitless supply of 250gbs

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gbee:

ok, I'll go with the WD green ... since I can't get a Samsung under 1TB from Ebuyer (and I've two of those already)

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gbee:

green theme to this unexpected spending spree, opted for an Antec 80%+ PSU

[19:01:32]

jduggan:

nice

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gbee:

well there goes the beer money

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jduggan:

i need a decent PSU

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wagnerrp:

looks like theyre up to 500GB on the single-platter drives

[19:02:52]

wagnerrp:

im surprised they never sold any 375GB disks

[19:03:31]

wagnerrp:

they expect people wont understand not-round numbers?

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gbee:

+next day delivery, total £90 .... ouch

[19:04:28]

jduggan:

the samsung 1tb are 55 on ebuyer, quite cheap

[19:04:41]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Lucky you, that would be the shipment cost alone here

[19:04:51]

iamlindoro:

gbee: guess the small geographic distribution helps :)

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gbee:

heh yeah

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gbee:

jduggan: aye they aren't bad, but don't start putting doubts into my mind, I normally take days/weeks to settle on new hardware purchases and I always opt for the cheapest(free) delivery

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jduggan:

:)

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wagnerrp:

for £90, you could probably go to a store now and pick one up

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gbee:

making decisions in minutes and ordering next-day .... I hate this, but needs must

[19:07:13]

wagnerrp:

got anything that stays open that late?

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gbee:

wagnerrp: PC World maybe, but they wouldn't have the choice/stock

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gbee:

and they are consistently over-priced on most things

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wagnerrp:

actually, its only what... 8pm over there?

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gbee:

7pm

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gbee:

it's on the other side of the city, not really a trip I want to make tonight

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wagnerrp:

i mean even best buy has a couple drives for ~$60

[19:08:55]

wagnerrp:

and theyre always overpriced

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gbee:

tomorrow maybe ... lets have a look at what their selection

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gbee:

heh that settles it, only 3.5" drives they are now stocking are unbranded

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** wagnerrp has never seen an unbranded hard drive **

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gbee:

well one WD 1TB for ... drum roll ... £100 (sale price)

[19:11:40]

gbee:

wagnerrp: well they've branded it with their in-house name 'TheTechGuys'

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iamlindoro:

"I never thought I'd like TiVo much. It turns out it can do most of what I've always used MythTV for, and the price isn't bad."

[19:12:54]

iamlindoro:

Someone's clearly not paying attention

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gbee:

nah, nothing decent on the PSU side either, price is higher too even taking the lack of a delivery charge into account

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** gbee takes his lumps **

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jduggan:

you can pay for next day delivery with ebuyer

[19:15:06]

jduggan:

even now

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jduggan:

for saturday

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awalls:

paying attention can simply ruin rationalizations

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iamlindoro:

awalls: indeed!

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jduggan:

gbee: damn you for getting me browsing ebuyer, looks like i might have to order that new gfx card ive been trying not to buy!

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gbee:

jduggan: yeah I know, I'm paying for Saturday delivery already

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** awalls thinks parting with money unnecessarily is today's theme **

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gbee:

just against my nature to pay more for delivery, but then I'm not normally in a hurry

[19:18:27]

jduggan:

and i bet paying for saturday+nextday delivery is still cheaper by far than driving to pcworld :)

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gbee:

still this is cheaper than that hotel room I had to book for one night at the last minute on holiday and there I managed to talk the price down ...

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jduggan:

why did you have to book a hotel room last minute?

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gbee:

jduggan: even if pcworld stocked something acceptable, the prices were definitely not acceptable and even ignoring the marginal cost of going over there I'm coming out ahead by buying online

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gbee:

jduggan: problem with the planned accomodation

[19:21:58]

jduggan:

ah

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Captain_Murdoch:

gbee, I have to run out now for a while, but here's some updated pics for your opinions: http://www.bc2va.org/chris/tmp/terra/

[19:23:36]

gbee:

well done and done, just need to wait for it to be delivered now

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: Ha! I like them all

[19:24:43]

Captain_Murdoch:

also, if you have access to the www vserver, daniel was looking for someone to copy the rc2 files over.

[19:24:58]

Captain_Murdoch:

those came from commons.wikimedia.org. must better selection there than I've seen elsewhere.

[19:25:16]

iamlindoro:

That Zenith remote is SHINY

[19:25:19]

Captain_Murdoch:

well, all except for the program finder one which is mine.

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iamlindoro:

There are bound to be people who think that should be the maximum number of buttons needed for myth

[19:26:24]

wagnerrp:

like the person wanting mouse support, because he hates remotes with more than 5 buttons?

[19:26:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Zenith . . . nder_600.jpg

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gbee:

Captain_Murdoch: all fine by me

[19:27:31]

gbee:

stuck on the tiny netbook tonight, so I'm not going to be getting a whole lot done

[19:27:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

gbee, ok, I'll keep looking some more tonight to fill in the rest and see if I see anything else that fits better.

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gbee:

it's not possible to create new recgroups with mythweb in 0.21?

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peoples:

hey guys

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peoples:

can someone tell me if there is nativ pulseaudio support in mythtv 0.22 ?

[19:54:31]

iamlindoro:

no, there is not

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stevieman:

IS anyone here using zoneminder?

[19:56:17]

squidly:

stevieman: not yet

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squidly:

I may later on

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peoples:

k thanks . so the only way to get sound via hdmi and pulseaudio in mythtv is lipao-pulse ?

[19:56:54]

stevieman:

I'm having problems getting zoneminder to see my webcam. Thier support channel is so very quiet

[19:57:05]

gbee:

or disable pulse, win win

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iamlindoro:

peoples: We don't support having myth running with pulseaudio at all. The way to get your audio out HDMI is to remove or disable pulseaudio and run it through ALSA

[19:57:37]

gbee:

stevieman: paul-h might be able to help

[19:58:07]

stevieman:

gbee: thanks

[19:59:18]

** gbee goes to find a good book to read **

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peoples:

+iamlindoro: ah oke .. tanks . is there any other suggestion of distribution to run mythtv ?

[20:00:04]

iamlindoro:

mythbuntu/mythdora/linHES, whichever tickles your fancy, all are excellent

[20:00:42]

squidly:

peoples: anything linux can run myth

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squidly:

there just may not be a package for it

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gbee:

or windows or osx

[20:01:21]

squidly:

gbee: lol

[20:01:30]

iamlindoro:

squidly: Why laugh? Myth runs on those

[20:01:31]

peoples:

;D yes i know ... but not every distri has good multimedia support

[20:01:42]

squidly:

iamlindoro: that is why I'm laughing

[20:01:48]

squidly:

i forgot but them.

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iamlindoro:

ook

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** squidly needs my brain to stay active at work (god i'm bored) **

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PeaceKeeper:

Wow... reading about how to make a theme :) I think I need to just start trying some of the examples on the wiki page

[20:03:11]

iamlindoro:

Yep

[20:03:21]

iamlindoro:

Doing is learning, especially as regards theming

[20:03:49]

iamlindoro:

You can even join our theming mailing list or IRC channel

[20:04:18]

PeaceKeeper:

I not NOT recommend CentOS for the Distro (I have it but cant get some stuff IE: Jamu working right on it).

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PeaceKeeper:

I might play with theming this weekend

[20:04:41]

PeaceKeeper:

I read most of the wiki last night

[20:04:50]

iamlindoro:

Heh... just don't go expecting to have anything you are happy with after a weekend

[20:04:53]

iamlindoro:

or a month

[20:05:02]

skd5aner:

regarding .23, I've seen some word that it'll be a fairly "quick" release following .22's release... I know things are flexible, but what does "quick" mean in this context?

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PeaceKeeper:

trying to wrap my mind around what I can do and what I want it to look like.

[20:05:19]

iamlindoro:

But points to you for reading the docs, many won't :)

[20:05:32]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: three months until freeze, release a month later

[20:05:39]

iamlindoro:

tentatively March 1

[20:06:01]

PeaceKeeper:

iamlindoro: I like the wiki. That is a nicly written page.

[20:06:08]

skd5aner:

thanks – appreciate the context... the reason I'm asking is because I follow commits and have been watching some of the things going into post .22

[20:06:19]

iamlindoro:

PeaceKeeper: Thank, I accept full credit. :)

[20:06:45]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: What about them in particular?

[20:06:46]

skd5aner:

prior to .21 I used to run trunk and update every 6–12 weeks or so, but now I'm in the habbit of running a bit more stable using -fixes...

[20:07:09]

PeaceKeeper:

iamlindoro: Then credit is given where credit is due. ;p Where is the best place to ask questions about theming (IRC or Mail list?)

[20:07:22]

skd5aner:

so, I'm debating if I want to run .22-fixes and simply hold off on the additional items if .23 is going to be released relatively "soon"

[20:07:25]

iamlindoro:

PeaceKeeper: Either is fine, most of the same suspects are present on both

[20:07:41]

PeaceKeeper:

Is there a theme irc channel?

[20:07:47]

iamlindoro:

yes, #mythtv-theming

[20:07:56]

PeaceKeeper:

cool thx!

[20:08:01]

iamlindoro:

np

[20:08:34]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner: Depends on how important stability is to you, I can thinkof three invasive changes that are hopefully planned for this cycle

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: some of the audio changes that just didn't make it, and potential support for .iso in SGs (if it's not backported to -fixes) when it comes

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iamlindoro:

it definitely won't be backported

[20:09:17]

iamlindoro:

those changes will be very invasive indeed

[20:09:28]

iamlindoro:

well, not *that* bad, but bad enough that they won't get backported

[20:09:45]

iamlindoro:

and will likely require some polish even once they're committed

[20:10:00]

skd5aner:

I was assuming it wouoldn't be, but that majority of my library is in .iso and I really want to utilize some of the cool new stuff you've been working on (Robert right?)

[20:10:11]

iamlindoro:

That's me :)

[20:10:37]

iamlindoro:

There's a lot to come, I'm sort of tearing out some of the more aggravating parts of the code right now to cimplify my life for the upcoming stuff

[20:10:41]

skd5aner:

yea – I typically don't do bleeding edge updates of trunk, but usually wait for something to "stabilize" a few weeks or so

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iamlindoro:

er simplify

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skd5aner:

HEAD rarely stabilized the entire .22 cycle enough for me to be satisfied to make the leap :)

[20:11:27]

skd5aner:

yea – I've seen you cleaning up the settings in the last couple of days

[20:11:34]

skd5aner:

congrats on that btw

[20:11:36]

skd5aner:

:)

[20:11:46]

iamlindoro:

thanks, it's quite a bit cleaner already, with hopefully more to come

[20:12:19]

gbee:

agh, no computer == no music, might have to go old skool and turn on the radio :/

[20:12:33]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Ew, let someone else pick the music *for* you?

[20:12:43]

]Oscar:

hi, i'm having some trouble connecting a remote frontend (diskless) to the backend

[20:12:45]

skd5aner:

speaking of which – sometimes I wish mythfm was working again

[20:13:06]

iamlindoro:

maybe gbee can just add last.fm support for you when he works on MythMusic ;)

[20:13:27]

skd5aner:

you know, I do use last.fm :)

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gbee:

hmm, I have the netbook so I suppose last.fm is an option and better than commercial radio

[20:14:40]

gbee:

thanks for the reminder

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iamlindoro:

;)

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skd5aner:

but, not really for the streaming part. Whatever happened to Eskil's streaming work?

[20:15:50]

skd5aner:

http://www.eskil.org/mythtv/http://www.eskil.org/mythtv/

[20:15:58]

skd5aner:

oops, doubled up there

[20:16:17]

gbee:

right, settled on the bed with book, netbook + headphones and beer ... might salvage this night after all

[20:17:29]

skd5aner:

iamlindoro: what were the 3 invasive changes you are aware of for the .23 cycle?

[20:17:42]

skd5aner:

complete storage group support?

[20:17:48]

skd5aner:

MythUI completion?

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gbee:

probable merge of mythvideo and mythmusic into mythfrontend, uhh, feel like there should be something else

[20:20:09]

iamlindoro:

MythMusic, and the multiple file changes

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skd5aner:

oh man – I'll love a refreshed mythmusic

[20:20:33]

iamlindoro:

and yeah, the mythvideo merge-in

[20:21:06]

elmojo:

so merging PBB and mythvideo is targeted for 0.23?

[20:21:21]

skd5aner:

speaking of last.fm gbee, I frequently use iTunes because it integrates my playcounts into last.fm. Would be great if mythmusic could be a last.fm client for submitting plays

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skd5aner:

but – obviously a secondary request to simply making mythmusic "better"

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: not the interfaces, the underlying DB stuff

[20:22:25]

elmojo:

oh, cool

[20:22:28]

iamlindoro:

elmojo: Namely allowing recordings and videos to share a common DB table/structure

[20:22:47]

elmojo:

nice, I kept thinking merging the UI side

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gbee:

I'll keep that in mind, right now I'm not certain I'll even get mythmusic ported to mythui in time for 0.23, it's a pretty large change and I'm a little tired of spending all my spare time on myth

[20:23:34]

gbee:

you can't practically merge the UI of video + recordings, most people want very different things from them both

[20:23:53]

elmojo:

agreed

[20:24:25]

gbee:

I know some people would be happy to browse their videos and recordings mixed together, but they are by far the minority

[20:25:12]

elmojo:

doesn't make sense to me

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elmojo:

gbee: I use mythmusic and think it's just fine

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: really? ive been using it as my primary since last december without much issue

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peoples:

maybe someone has an idea: i followed http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_Digita . . . r_PulseAudio

[20:30:43]

peoples:

has someone running karmic with mythtv 0.22 ?

[20:31:29]

peoples:

can't get any sound from mythtv

[20:32:03]

highzeth:

run it fine with karmic, but had to revert to 2.6.30 kernel to avoid the mythsocket time-outs between the MBE & SBE's

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: primary music player? I'm assuming you mean without last.fm support, but yea – I use mythmusic sporadically

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peoples:

highzeth: runs you sound over hdmi

[20:34:20]

peoples:

?

[20:34:37]

highzeth:

yes

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wagnerrp:

i mean ive been using trunk since last december, without much issue

[20:34:51]

skd5aner:

I do have some bugs that I can reproduce in .21-fixes within mythmusic, but want to wait until I test out .22 to see if they still exist

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wagnerrp:

i dont use mythmusic

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: ah – gotcha

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peoples:

highzeth: strange , and it runs out of the box ?

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skd5aner:

I was waiting for VDPAU and HD-PVR support to mature as much as possible, and I also wanted to wait for mythui and QT4 migrations to die down as much as possible

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highzeth:

peoples: yessir

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skd5aner:

obviously – there really was never a "die down" period for some of those items :)

[20:37:11]

peoples:

highzeth: how is it possible when mythtv has no support for pulseaudio ?

[20:37:21]

highzeth:

it gets disabled upon run

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peoples:

u disabled pulseaudio ?

[20:38:14]

highzeth:

*it*

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skd5aner:

I just felt that the dev lifecylce between .21 and .22 was too long and unstable for a daily used box which I have a huge WAF factor

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peoples:

tell me more .. :D

[20:39:24]

GreyFoxx:

too long maybe, but my boxes always run trunk (updated bi weekly if not more so) and it's rarely unstable

[20:39:49]

GreyFoxx:

my wife and daughter have had maybe 1 or 2 complaints about segfaults but that's about it

[20:40:17]

skd5aner:

well – like I said, I used to run a fairly current trunk for a while, even after .21 release for a while

[20:41:02]

skd5aner:

I follow commits, so I can usually tell when it feels safe for me (a non-dev) to jump into the trunk pool, just never had anything forcing me to do it this time

[20:41:21]

GreyFoxx:

hrm, I better pick up some halloween candy on the way home

[20:41:37]

skd5aner:

however – this conversation started with me considering to go to trunk and skip .22-fixes

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peoples:

highzeth: can you tell me what u mean with it gets disabled ? :)

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peoples:

highzeth: did u install mythtv from repos or source ?

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stevieman:

is there a fix for the no director, no cover, no plot in mythvideo? The google seach I did returned stuff from 2007 which I don't think is current anymore

[20:50:17]

highzeth:

upon running frontend it disables pulse, unless I need new glasses, check your logs

[20:52:24]

iamlindoro:

stevieman: That doesn't sound like a bug, it sounds like you haven't downloaded or edited metadata...

[20:53:40]

stevieman:

iamlindoro: Well I do the search, it connects to IMDB, says it's grabbing the data. Changes the title, the year, I have seen content warnings but no director and no cover data.

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iamlindoro:

stevieman: if you are running .21, we don't use imdb any more

[20:54:12]

iamlindoro:

see the wiki tmdb.pl page

[20:54:20]

stevieman:

iamlindoro: thanks

[20:54:32]

iamlindoro:

np

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justinh:

wth? backend machine fell over (hung) & the last thing in the syslog was about bind

[20:56:29]

justinh:

oops. tftpd

[20:59:30]

justinh:

bang went 6 months of uptime

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stevieman:

is there a problem with svn.mythtv.org? I'm following the tmdb.pl steps and I am getting a 404 not found

[21:11:02]

iamlindoro:

You should probably just wait for another couple of days and install .22

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iamlindoro:

since metadata handling changes significantly

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gbee:

stevieman: a little slow, but working fine here

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stevieman:

it seems it can't find the tmdb.pl file

[21:13:40]

EnderTheThird:

I'm getting "No Recordings Present..." in Watch Recordings. But I've tried changing the "Group Filter" several times (per FAQ) but still no recordings being shown. Any ideas?

[21:13:47]

sphery:

stevieman: try again

[21:13:57]

stevieman:

k

[21:13:58]

sphery:

stevieman: refresh the tmdb.pl page in the wiki

[21:14:23]

stevieman:

hey it changed ;)

[21:14:33]

sphery:

hold on still have a typo

[21:14:38]

stevieman:

and it worked

[21:14:40]

stevieman:

oh

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** skd5aner just started upgrading his MBE and Frontend to ubuntu 9.10 **

[21:15:11]

sphery:

stevieman: re-refresh, please

[21:15:18]

stevieman:

ok

[21:16:14]

sphery:

should work fine, now

[21:16:24]

EnderTheThird:

It's really getting annoying. I have a ton of recordings I want to watch this weekend since I have time for once, but I can't view them in the frontend.

[21:16:32]

sphery:

thanks for mentioning that it needed update after some of today's changes

[21:16:49]

EnderTheThird:

I've checked Settings --> TV Settings --> Playback and couldn't find anything either

[21:16:59]

sphery:

EnderTheThird: Change Group View

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stevieman:

spery: thanks for fixing it. Everything seemed to go just fine

[21:17:04]

sphery:

EnderTheThird: as well as group filter

[21:17:08]

sphery:

stevieman: enjoy

[21:17:18]

stevieman:

sphery: I will

[21:17:32]

EnderTheThird:

sphery: Tried both. No dice.

[21:18:04]

Dibblah:

Do you actually have recordings?

[21:18:07]

sphery:

EnderTheThird: does MythWeb show recordings?

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, tons of recordings in MythWeb.

[21:18:16]

Dibblah:

Is there any chance that you filled up a disk?

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EnderTheThird:

50GB free.

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Dibblah:

mythfrontend -v all output to pastebin, please.

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EnderTheThird:

Perhaps unrelated, I do have one recording that keeps showing up in Mythweb list even though I keep deleting it. Just a 75MB news clip that I recorded from "Watch TV" to see if it would show up.

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sphery:

then you either a) have a filter/view or b) have a broken/corrupt DB or c) have mythfrontend configured to talk to the wrong database

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sphery:

EnderTheThird: if it keeps showing up after deleting, you have storage group directory permissions problems

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sphery:

backend needs access to storage group dirs/files as well as frontend

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sphery:

backend does the deleting

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Dibblah:

Or the SGs aren't set up on the backend.

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]Oscar:

something about DVB-s Twinhan AD-SP300(1034)? It's listed with lspci but in mythtv-setup I cannot found it

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EnderTheThird:

Let me go into the MBE/FE and make sure it's still happening there. I'll paste info from that instead of desktop FE

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Dibblah:

]Oscar: It'll be listed in mythtv-setup if it's a dvb-s supported card.

[21:22:58]

]Oscar:

there is a supported list?

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Dibblah:

ie if Linux supports it, you have all firmware in the right places, etc.

[21:23:32]

Dibblah:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S_PCI_Cards

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]Oscar:

in past it needs a mantis driver, now driver is within standard kernel,.. it's not enough?

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Dibblah:

If it needs firmware, you also need to do that.

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]Oscar:

uhm,.. it's the first of the unsupported list, but talks about the mantis driver....

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luke_:

how do i get movies, photos, etc to show up in the mythtv menu like in all the screenshots? its 0.22

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iamlindoro:

huh?

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luke_:

how do i browse all my media through mythtv

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iamlindoro:

by reading the manual, and following it

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luke_:

thanks mate

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luke_:

ur awesome

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iamlindoro:

is you are using .22, which is pre-release, you are relied upon to be an experienced myth user

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luke_:

yep cool

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sphery:

or at least willing to read the entries on the wiki

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iamlindoro:

meaning you really ought to know this stuff already-- so if you want to use development software, you get to read the manual/wiki

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luke_:

i alredy followed the transition guide in wiki

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luke_:

all i get i watch recordings in my menu

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iamlindoro:

The transition guide is for existing users

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luke_:

but its ok, ill keep reading

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iamlindoro:

thus, transition

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo

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justinh:

so you need to install mythvideo & mythmusic & mythgallery

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justinh:

sheesh

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sphery:

heh, yeah, that too

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EnderTheThird_:

Get a "length mismatch between programinfo" in terminal for mythfrontend. DB version mismatch or something?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

and possibly, myth version mismatch

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peoples:

is it possible to deactivate the pulseaudio suspend in 0.22 ?

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EnderTheThird_:

Using r22656 right now.

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justinh:

peoples: nope

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peoples:

damn .. :)

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sphery:

peoples: why do you /need/ pulseaudio?

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luke_:

justinh: thanks, working now

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sphery:

just get rid of pulse

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peoples:

some idea why i have no volume slider on my iec985 device ?

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EnderTheThird_:

iamlindoro: Any suggestions on how to remedy said mismatch? Aside from trying a crapload of SVN co's?

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squidly:

sphery: I feel ya there

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sphery:

peoples: because the /receiver/ should do volume control

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird_: Just check revisions on your systems and make them match (and make sure your DB isnt' crashed)

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justinh:

peoples: it's generally not even a volume control anyway

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EnderTheThird_:

I don't think the DB is crashed. New recordings have gone fine and Mythweb works like a champ

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sphery:

EnderTheThird: "crashed DB" usually means one or more tables

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sphery:

i.e. can affect different parts of Myth

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EnderTheThird_:

Ah, got ya.

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Dibblah:

EnderTheThird: Have you considered the pastebin I asked for earlier?...

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peoples:

sphery: ok , an how i'm able do control the volume ?

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peoples:

alsamixer also shows one entry on my hdmi device

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sphery:

peoples: with the remote for your audio/video receiver

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EnderTheThird_:

Dibblah: file was 500kB. Sorry, forgot to tell you. Trying to find a pastebin that will let me load such a big file.

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sphery:

peoples: or a nice universal remote with volume buttons properly mapped

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justinh:

if you use a digital output chances are you're doing so because you like the fidelity of the audio to be maintained throughout the system, right?

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peoples:

sphery: better , but mapped to what ? alsamixer shows no volume slider for my hdmi device ?

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EnderTheThird_:

http://pastebin.com/m52d649b1

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sphery:

peoples: or don't use IEC958 or S/PDIF output... If you use analog, Myth does volume control

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justinh:

and if you want fidelity to be retained you do NOT mash the volume up with quick & dirty software

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peoples:

sphery: analog ? what is that ;D

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sphery:

peoples: mapped to the signal that's sent by the remote for your a/v receiver--has /nothing/ to do with LIRC. The universal remote will send the signal which will be picked up directly by the a/v receiver

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EnderTheThird_:

iamlindoro: mythtv and mythplugins are both 22656. What other revision would I need to track down?

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peoples:

sphery: no realy i don't want to install a analog cable

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peoples:

:)

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EnderTheThird_:

Oh, and themes/myththemes are both 22600.

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sphery:

Basically, it's impossible to do volume control with digital output without resorting to broken tricks like softvol and re-encoding streams--and if you're so concerned about getting the quality benefit of digital, you do /not/ want to do that. You want to do volume control the way it was intended--using the A/V receiver.

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EnderTheThird_:

Dibblah: Posted the pastebin link above. http://pastebin.com/m52d649b1 Sorry for delay. Let me know if you see anything.

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sphery:

peoples: that's 2 separate options a) analog, b) universal remote talking directly to the receiver

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sphery:

"but digital is better"

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sphery:

I hate that

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Dibblah:

Uhm... Softvol is now in trunk ;)

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justinh:

sphery: it generally is when we're talking about onboard audio

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sphery:

Dibblah: yeah, broken tricks :)

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justinh:

me, I like my sound without noise from the screen being updated :D

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[Peter]:

justinh: now you are just being picky

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sphery:

justinh: no, digital isn't better--but the PC audio D->A is worse

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EnderTheThird_:

iamlindoro: Do I need to check the database revision itself or something too? Not sure how to do that.

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Dibblah:

Digital over optical is great for removing one possibility of a ground loop.

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justinh:

well, saying "digital is better than cheap analogue" is ok :)

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sphery:

I'm not saying that digital is bad--just saying that people who refuse to use anything analog because "it's analog" are over-simplifying things

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sphery:

I can set up a digital link to give worse quality than an analog one

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sphery:

after all, once you send that digital signal to the A/V receiver, how does it get from there to the speakers?

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EnderTheThird_:

cd ..

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EnderTheThird_:

ls

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EnderTheThird_:

Haha, oops, wrong window. I'm an idiot.

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Dibblah:

EnderTheThird: You definitely have recordings and you definitely have a filter set.

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[Peter]:

sphery: I guess most people like to think that their receivers has better DACs than their soundcards

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EnderTheThird_:

Dibblah: I'm not sure where the filter is set incorrectly though. I've checked from "watch Recordings" and from "Playback" settings in TV Settings. Both are set to All Programs.

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sphery:

yeah: 10.30 17:39:17 <+sphery> justinh: no, digital isn't better--but the PC audio D->A is worse

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sphery:

but basically, if you have to use digital, then you have to understand its limitations

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[Peter]:

sure, keep the volume at 100% at all times.

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sphery:

and the person I was trying to help was focused on the word analog and completely missed the point of my either/or

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Dibblah:

EnderTheThird: Press m.

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Dibblah:

Then select change group filter.

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Dibblah:

Select "All programs"

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Dibblah:

Then:

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EnderTheThird_:

Done

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Dibblah:

M – Change group view

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Dibblah:

Tick all the tickboxes you want.

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EnderTheThird_:

Tried that. Still nothing.

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Dibblah:

Probably show titles, show watched, ...

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EnderTheThird_:

Tried various group filters too. It has the # of recordings with each filter, it just won't show the actual recordings.

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sphery:

if you're still getting a programinfo length mismatch, you also need to fix your myth install

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EnderTheThird_:

sphery: go on, please :-)

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Dibblah:

EnderTheThird: When did this stop working? And what changed?

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EnderTheThird_:

It happened after a restart when I removed a tuner. I think it wasn't that, but probably that I had co'd a new svn and installed that, but it just didn't start the new backend version until i restarted

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EnderTheThird_:

I'm not sure of the specific version I used to have or anything though. Might just go back to 22500, 22400, etc until I get it to work.

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Dibblah:

Are you running trunk?

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EnderTheThird_:

Yes. 22656 at the moment

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Dibblah:

... I would have stuck with -fixes.

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Dibblah:

There's hardly anything worth having in trunk at this time.

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EnderTheThird_:

Probably right :-) It's an unhealthy addiction to update too quickly/often

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sphery:

EnderTheThird_: and you can switch your trunk checkout to -fixes easily enough

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sphery:

and the DB's are compatible at this point

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EnderTheThird_:

I'm going back to r22300 right now, as I'm almost sure it was working until 22400–22500. If still no luck, I might go to fixes or something

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Dibblah:

...

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Dibblah:

You have updated and installed the theme changes as well...?

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EnderTheThird_:

I do trunk svn for mythtv, mythplugins, themes, and myththemes

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sphery:

EnderTheThird_: to switch: do a "make distclean" in each directory (mythtv, mythplugins, and all the themes dirs), then, assuming you checked out trunk (versus checking out trunk/mythtv, trunk/mythplugins, etc. separately), cd to the trunk directory and: svn switch http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-22-fixes/ && rm mythtv/version.pro && find . -name 'Makefile' -delete && svn revert -R .

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sphery:

if you checked out individual dirs, do the svn switch in each and rm version.pro only in mythtv and do the find and svn revert in each

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EnderTheThird_:

sphery: thanks. It's making r22300 now. I'll do that if this fails. I co'd trunk as one directory

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brad2:

what nvidia drivers are most people using? I'm still on 180.6. Does anyone use the newer versions?

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EnderTheThird_:

185.18.36 here

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EnderTheThird_:

Dibblah: Is there anything I need to know about the theme changes as well?

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Dibblah:

Themes change with trunk.

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rwat:

is there somewhere to set the default audio sync? I can set it while watching recordings but I can't see where to set it permanently

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Dibblah:

You need a theme checkout / install that matches.

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Dibblah:

rwat: Pulseaudio?

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EnderTheThird_:

Dibblah: Alright. Yeah, I usually update themes and myththemes as well whenever I redo mythtv/mythplugins. Themes are a little behind right now because nothing was working anyway so I didn't bother with themes

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gbee:

rm -rf /usr/{local/}share/mythtv/themes

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rwat:

Dibblah: surely there's somewhere in mythtv if I can tweak it while watching

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Dibblah:

No, I'm asking if you use pulseaudio.

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Dibblah:

And no, there is currently no global setting.

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EnderTheThird_:

rwat: Pulse can be a pain in the butt. I don't have any problems if I use alsa spdif output directly from within myth though. I think that bypasses pulse entirely, though I'm not sure on the specifics

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gbee:

you shouldn't really be having consistent issues with audio sync unless you are using pulseaudio, or are using a framegrabber and have routed audio incorrectly

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EnderTheThird_:

Either way, I know I don't have any sync issues except for occasionally with .mkv if I do too much fast forwarding or something

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rwat:

well I don't mind using pulseaudio, I've been round the houses trying to avoid it, I just want to add a bit of delay in (about 150ms)

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rwat:

EnderTheThird_ I use USB audio with an optical output

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justinh:

150ms?

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rwat:

yeah about that

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rwat:

if I tweak the audio sync about +150ms it looks about right

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Dibblah:

gbee: There's also the case where the LCD / Plasma scaler does some "processing".

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Dibblah:

And can induce about that latency.

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Dibblah:

rwat: What's the display?

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gbee:

isn't audio sync one of those things that playback groups can control

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EnderTheThird_:

rwat: resolution of the display and how you're outputting to it as well

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gbee:

playback groups are one of those features that was criminally incomplete, there are lots of settings that should have been made part of it but iirc there are just 3 or 4

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sphery:

gbee: no, audio sync is only on a per-playback basis

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gbee:

Dibblah: sound routed to other speakers? I'd assume most LCD/Plasma would skew the audio to keep it in sync with the processing

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luke_:

i installed mythweb through apt-get and specified to protect with password during install however I can now access the page with no password?

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sphery:

I agree, though, it should be there

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Dibblah:

Heh. They don't always.

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gbee:

Dibblah: eww

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EnderTheThird_:

"rm" completely bypasses .trash, right?

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rwat:

Dibblah: EnderTheThird: I'm outputting svideo to an AV amp at 852x480 and from there to a plasma screen

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rwat:

I think the AV amp could have sync in it somewhere

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rwat:

but I though myth might have it

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Dibblah:

Generally, the amp can only delay audio.

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Dibblah:

And only by a small amount (the buffer is tiny)

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EnderTheThird:

rwat: what resolution is your TV?

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rwat:

852x480

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justinh:

what you need is a global a/v delay setting in mythtv, which there ain't

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justinh:

whee almost finished editing this month's podcast :)

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justinh:

starting to feel like work, that

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luke_:

i setup mythvideo and selected my storage directory however when i select watch videos it says it could not find anything? I setup mythgallery the same way for my photos and it worked fine

[22:49:51]

elmojo:

iamlindoro: it took you a whopping 6 minutes to close #7458... you can do better ;)

[22:51:14]

** elmojo offers iamlindoro a redbull **

[22:55:02]

iamlindoro:

But only five to respond to your comment about it ;

[22:55:04]

iamlindoro:

;)

[22:55:14]

elmojo:

you're getting better

[22:55:38]

iamlindoro:

Just remember that next time someone bitches about how long the myth devs take to handle tickets

[22:56:13]

elmojo:

just give all users commit access

[22:56:35]

iamlindoro:

terrifying

[22:57:02]

elmojo:

hehe

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benklop:

does mythmovies store any of its info in the database?

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iamlindoro:

that day's movie listings, yes

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benklop:

hmm.. does jamu already interface with that to pull up trailers?

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RDV_Linux:

benklop: No

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RDV_Linux:

benklop: You could try MiroBridge

[23:06:44]

RDV_Linux:

benklop: See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MiroBridge

[23:07:08]

benklop:

but jamu CAN pull in trailers, right?

[23:07:14]

iamlindoro:

no

[23:07:23]

benklop:

oh, i thought i saw that option

[23:07:43]

iamlindoro:

Jamu is strictly on the up and up

[23:07:45]

benklop:

okay. then getting trailers actually into mythmovies would be harder

[23:07:50]

iamlindoro:

and there is no legal place to pull in trailers from

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benklop:

iamlindoro: i thought there were several legal places they could at least be streamed from

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iamlindoro:

streaming isn't "pulling in"

[23:08:39]

benklop:

ok, that's true

[23:08:46]

benklop:

an jamu wouldn't be any use

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xaxes:

hey.. how can I fill the EPG-data?

[23:10:58]

meshe:

run mythfilldatabase after configuring your video source

[23:11:07]

benklop:

would it be legal for mythmovies to stream trailers into it automatically?

[23:11:10]

chris_:

Anybody by chance using a Motorola DCH3200 STB w/ FW?

[23:11:54]

xaxes:

meshe: it seems not to work.. did this yesterday, but till now no epg-data

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meshe:

if you're not in north america, i'm not sure how to set it up, if you are let me know, Schedules Direct is really easy

[23:14:50]

xaxes:

meshe: I had several times no epg-data.. tried it with mythfilldatabase and mostly after some time I had epg again .. but today..

[23:15:17]

skd5aner:

re: trailers – I think I saw someone submitted a patch one time that would allow a use to view a trailer of a movie IF they had that trailer stored locally – would something like that still be up for consideration?

[23:15:50]

skd5aner:

it would be nice to preview movies in your collection if you HAD the trailers. I know several movies include them as extras, so you could rip the trailer title

[23:16:33]

skd5aner:

that would be "legit" I would think

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skd5aner:

Iamlindoro: don't you think?

[23:17:34]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, I wrote that patch ;)

[23:17:36]

iamlindoro:

it's part of myth

[23:17:39]

iamlindoro:

(.22)

[23:17:51]

skd5aner:

ah, nice! Of course – I think that was one of your earlier works right?

[23:17:58]

iamlindoro:

you can associate trailers with your films from mythvideo's edit metadata screen

[23:18:03]

skd5aner:

pre-dev promotion

[23:18:11]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, well, it was about a year ago, but one of the earlier things I submitted, yeah

[23:18:43]

skd5aner:

cool, I think that could really be a neat feature – I remember asking about it at the time

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iamlindoro:

yeah, it's nice--- will be of more use once we have a video widget, I plan to add it as a UI element for themers

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iamlindoro:

ie just by having the item selected, you can have the trailer preview play in the UI

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skd5aner:

I think you could really do some cool things with trailers: preview selected movies, watch random trailers/trailer cinema, use the trailer as the preview for a movie like the recording preview

[23:20:22]

sphery:

iamlindoro: sweet!

[23:20:26]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, the first two are already options

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chris_:

Anybody here by chance using a Motorola DCH3200 box via firewire?

[23:20:35]

iamlindoro:

the third is just waiting on the video widget

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benklop:

iamlindoro: ah.. so that doesn't mean you can watch the trailers from mythmovies

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: we think alike :)

[23:20:49]

sphery:

now all we have to do is make it a law that /all/ DVD's and Blu-Rays sold must contain at least one trailer

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xaxes:

thanks meshe .. cya all ;)

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iamlindoro:

chris_, Even if they were, firewire behavior varies from headend to headend-- meaning they would need that box, on your headend, in your city

[23:21:10]

iamlindoro:

benklop, right

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chris_:

Just looking for some help with changing channels on it.

[23:21:38]

iamlindoro:

chris_, which will vary in exactly the way I mentioned

[23:21:56]

iamlindoro:

what works for one person will not for the next, etc.

[23:22:17]

chris_:

Wow...

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skd5aner:

iamlindoro: I know they disabled search in trac – do you happen to know which ticket it was that included the patch for trailers?

[23:22:39]

iamlindoro:

that said, channel changing usually works for more people than actual video capture does

[23:23:25]

iamlindoro:

skd5aner, 5920

[23:23:46]

chris_:

Well video capture is fine. The problem seems to be specific to the DCH3200 boxes. majoridiot is no longer supporting mythchanger, but he said he had received several emails from people about the DCH3200 boxes.

[23:23:57]

chris_:

Channels can be changed just fine from the command line.

[23:24:01]

sphery:

Woah... 0.21's DB Schema Version was 1214. 0.22's is 1244. What are the chances that they'd both end with a 4. o.O

[23:24:07]

chris_:

But it absolutely refuses to from within mythtv.

[23:24:13]

iamlindoro:

sphery, one in ten

[23:24:17]

sphery:

heh

[23:24:24]

benklop:

iamlindoro: any idea of the legalities of youtube videos within a non-youtube UI?

[23:25:01]

iamlindoro:

benklop, It's almost certainly a violation of their terms of service, so it's probably nothing we can really integrate

[23:25:18]

meshe:

http://www.youtube.com/t/terms

[23:25:32]

iamlindoro:

benklop, That said, it might be possible/plausible to use our embedded browser widget to get creative about web video

[23:26:02]

iamlindoro:

ie write our own parsing/menuing interface, and when it comes time to play the item, pop up a web browser widget of the actual page

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benklop:

iamlindoro: that seems plausible, and we could also probably trick it into fullscreen mode..

[23:26:50]

skd5aner:

I always wanted to see the mythtube patch integrated, but I know the primary reason was that it wasn't written for mythui

[23:26:53]

benklop:

but within a window or something

[23:26:55]

iamlindoro:

yep, browser widget works well at full screen

[23:26:55]

meshe:

http://code.google.com/apis/youtube/overview.html &mdash ; The Custom Player takes you a step beyond just pasting a video into your site. Anyone can easily configure the custom player to show playlists, favorites, or their own videos.

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benklop:

meshe: hum!

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meshe:

The Data API lets you incorporate YouTube functionality into your own application or website. You can perform searches, upload videos, create playlists, and more.

[23:27:40]

meshe:

it's google now :)

[23:28:27]

sphery:

iamlindoro: the big problem with doing Trash--I mean Flash--through the integrated web browser is that you completely lose "mouse" control over the Flash widget.

[23:29:19]

iamlindoro:

sphery, yup, glad I don't have to make it work :)

[23:29:58]

justinh:

I thought mythtube used mythui – it was more that it was still in a very early stage of gestation

[23:30:12]

justinh:

and as ui code was updated it got ever more broken

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benklop:

meshe: that data API could be used in mythmovies then.. I noticed the trailers from movies.google.com are located in youtube

[23:30:16]

iamlindoro:

justinh, yup

[23:30:27]

iamlindoro:

justinh, and I got tired of fixing it when the author disappeared :)

[23:30:48]

meshe:

so you broke it?

[23:30:56]

iamlindoro:

no I stopped fixing it :)

[23:30:59]

iamlindoro:

er so I

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meshe:

hehe

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justinh:

it def. showed a lot of promise. the guy doing it even seemed keen to play ball with our protestations of how to keep it in with a chance of being official

[23:31:30]

skd5aner:

justinh: maybe so, I know the first revision wasn't – maybe it got semi-translated to a preliminary mythui compatible version, but yea – support from the author was lacking

[23:31:52]

skd5aner:

was hoping it'd get to a stage where it'd be integrated and maintained by "the devs" haha

[23:31:53]

justinh:

it's always sad when plugin authors stick to their guns or give up arguing their case

[23:31:55]

iamlindoro:

It was always MythUI

[23:32:09]

iamlindoro:

but what MythUI was was in a major state of flux

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justinh:

unless you're thinking of the Israeli effort

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sphery:

but it was MythNews MythUI before gb ee's 2nd pass through MythNews, right?

[23:32:25]

skd5aner:

you know, I think it's kinda funny how long .22 took (understandably so) and we are actually coming out with no new plugins, and in fact – LESS plugins than .21

[23:32:26]

iamlindoro:

yup

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justinh:

sudo wget $video && sudo mplayer $video.. blech

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sphery:

skd5aner: less is more

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justinh:

yes but look at all the cool stuff 0.22 will be able to do compared to 0.21

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justinh:

the times we've had people asking for mythphone support were few & far between compared to mythvideo, mythmusic etc

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meshe:

is 0.22 out yet?

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sphery:

justinh: I think anyone who wants YouTube should just switch to http://heliocreek.sourceforge.net/

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justinh:

that alone says enough

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sphery:

:)

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skd5aner:

not complaining guys – just funny :)

[23:33:52]

justinh:

heliocreek that was it. sheesh kebabs

[23:34:06]

sphery:

meshe: 0.22rc2 is kind-of out

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tmkt:

22 is great

[23:34:15]

tmkt:

just small issues

[23:34:17]

meshe:

ahh, rc2, nice

[23:34:29]

_ben:

how many RC's are planned?

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skd5aner:

I was going to ask about the mythphone – cool concept, never used it – however, why did someone delete the wiki article for it? Shouldn't it be left there for archival sake?

[23:34:35]

meshe:

17

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justinh:

RC2 will be the last before the proper release

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_ben:

Cool

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justinh:

or is planned to be at any rate

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sphery:

actually, 22, for 0.23, we plan to have 23 rc's

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benklop:

I actually finally set up asterisk in my house.. I could theoretically use mythphone I think...

[23:35:14]

meshe:

right, sorry, forgot the numbering scheme

[23:35:25]

benklop:

not that I have any real desire to...

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sphery:

I would have preferred having 0.22 rc's for 0.22

[23:35:27]

iamlindoro:

heh, if mythphone still existed

[23:35:51]

justinh:

if a video player widget existed in time..

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skd5aner:

I ran asterisk for a small business – would be cool to use in an integrated manner with myth

[23:36:02]

justinh:

somebody could've made mythphone not suck in time

[23:36:06]

meshe:

mythphone doesn't exist anymore? dammit, i'm staying with 0.21, 0.22 sucks!!! ;)

[23:36:25]

sphery:

meshe: everyone knows that 0.18 is the only stable version of myth

[23:36:31]

skd5aner:

lol

[23:36:34]

meshe:

hehe

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sphery:

and f-myth-users

[23:36:38]

sphery:

will tell you so

[23:36:39]

benklop:

sphery: that's the version I started with...

[23:36:48]

meshe:

yah, i like that guy, he knows everything

[23:36:55]

justinh:

personally I dunno why anybody would want phone calls interrupting their enjoyment of teevee & movies

[23:37:09]

justinh:

especially if it was to tie up the frontend. yikes

[23:37:20]

tmkt:

pip

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justinh:

blech

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benklop:

I don't mind having the caller ID display on the screen

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tmkt:

have a mythphone going with webcam

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meshe:

i haven't had a landline in about 5 years and my cell phones have unlimited minutes, why would i want it to go through myth

[23:37:36]

skd5aner:

but – seriously, anyone know why the mythphone wiki article was removed entirely instead of updated to indicate it's no longer supported?

[23:37:36]

tmkt:

while watching sopranos

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benklop:

but that can still be done pretty easily

[23:37:58]

sphery:

I started with 0.13

[23:38:06]

justinh:

I still like my idea about a new notification gadget

[23:38:29]

benklop:

meshe: so you don't have to pick up the phone to know whos calling

[23:38:38]

skd5aner:

I had a script that worked on my ipcop box which pulled the CID info out of the vonage SIP info and sent it to mythosd, but it's been broke for over a year for me

[23:38:46]

justinh:

people don't call our landline anyway

[23:38:47]

skd5aner:

anyone know if mythosd has been fixed in .22?

[23:38:54]

tmkt:

i wanna get stattracker running in PBP so i can watch my fantasy football scores changed while watching the game

[23:38:55]

sphery:

skd5aner: because the only thing worse than no information is old/outdated information cluttering up searches for information?

[23:39:01]

meshe:

wouldn't do much good unless i could get my cell provider to talk to myth

[23:39:01]

justinh:

was it broken in 0.21? works fine here

[23:39:17]

skd5aner:

yea – it was broke for a while I believe

[23:39:30]

justinh:

mythtvosd would be ace if it was mythui'd

[23:39:31]

sphery:

IIRC it's fixed in 0.22

[23:39:41]

sphery:

in the works

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justinh:

making it so might be quite simple, but pointless until the osd is mythui'd

[23:40:01]

meshe:

i have custom ring tomes for anyone i care to talk to, if i'm watching tv then i can tell by the sound if i care who's calling, all else go to voice mail

[23:40:07]

sphery:

(both OSD going mythui and notifications going mythui in OSD and GUI)

[23:40:40]

justinh:

our parents are the only ones who call us on the landline, and I never want to speak to mine

[23:40:58]

meshe:

justinh: sounds like a good reason to get rid of the land line ;)

[23:41:04]

justinh:

always when I've sat down to watch something

[23:41:10]

justinh:

then they'll ring the mobile

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skd5aner:

sphery: fair enough – but still, would be nice to remember it – it's still referenced in older versions and other articles, fair enough though

[23:41:37]

meshe:

justinh: my parents live 15 feet from me, they call my cell phone before coming over thankfully ;)

[23:41:38]

justinh:

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justinh:

gawd. mine live 150 miles away :D

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sphery:

skd5aner: mythphone is referenced or the page is referenced?

[23:42:30]

skd5aner:

both sphery

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meshe:

i see them about twice a week, and i like my parents, and they understand the words "talk to you later"

[23:43:00]

skd5aner:

justinh: what was your new widget notification idea

[23:43:11]

benklop:

skd5aner: I used it one time in .21.. frreaked out my wife. I remoted in and said hello i love you on it.

[23:43:17]

benklop:

she had no idea it even existed

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benklop:

mythosd that is

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justinh:

skd5aner: just a general info display gadget. feed it xml containing info, graphics etc... kinda like the music miniplayer thing

[23:44:56]

jduggan:

my rents are also 150miles away

[23:44:59]

jduggan:

\o/

[23:45:17]

skd5aner:

haha, yea back in like .18 days I manually sent a message to the TV while my wife was watching TV and I was travelling

[23:45:18]

justinh:

gonna be a bugger if/when we need a babysitter though

[23:45:19]

meshe:

my inlaws are 500miles away :)

[23:46:09]

skd5aner:

she called asking why the TV was harrasing her

[23:46:21]

skd5aner:

I told her it was the new mythbot, and it could learn :)

[23:46:23]

jduggan:

did you draw an ascii penis

[23:47:45]

skd5aner:

justinh: I'm sure people (not me) would appreciate something like that for facebook/twitter updates

[23:48:06]

justinh:

skd5aner: and weather/news/etc ;-)

[23:48:08]

skd5aner:

I would like it if myth would notify me of conflicts like that

[23:48:19]

justinh:

and anything else you can think of

[23:48:36]

skd5aner:

yup – I'm in, too bad I don't know C++/QT

[23:48:46]

justinh:

more c++ than qt

[23:48:51]

justinh:

way more

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skd5aner:

doesn't matter – none is none :)

[23:50:16]

skd5aner:

justin – you're the creator of project greyhem (sp?) right?

[23:53:26]

justinh:

for my sins, yeah

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justinh:

and the answer is no. I won't be maintaining it

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_ben:

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justinh:

I have some ideas for a new theme which I may or may not unleash on the public at some point but I will NOT be listening to 'user input'

[23:54:46]

justinh:

_ben: because all my old themes bite donkeys arses

[23:55:18]

justinh:

in hindsight all were rushed, slapdash efforts

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_ben:

i dunno

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_ben:

i like greyhem :)

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android6011:

ok well the hard drive died in my frontend

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justinh:

I spread myself way too thin, pandering to what I perceived people might like

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iamlindoro:

I am very very happy to have a basically done theme in the pipe, with a whole release cycle to tweak it

[23:55:49]

android6011:

anyone do pxe booting for their frontend

[23:56:19]

justinh:

so the next one won't have mythgallery themed, and quite a lot of other things will be unthemed too – i.e. stuff I never use

[23:56:24]

justinh:

android6011: yes thanks

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android6011:

justinh: is there a certain guide you followed or anything? also, i read one place with pxe, all the hard work is done on the server and not the local client

[23:57:10]

android6011:

you know if thats true?

[23:57:29]

justinh:

what?

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android6011:

justinh: i kinda figured you were talking to the wrong person when you said thanks

[23:57:55]

justinh:

it doesn't necessarily make the client a dumb terminal if that's what you mean

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android6011:

ya

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android6011:

thats what i meant

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justinh:

nah, all it means is that it boots from a network share & treats a nfs mount as local storage generally

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android6011:

ok

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skd5aner:

justinh: yea – was gonna ask about a conversion to .22, I've used this theme for like 2 years now, love it

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android6011:

i installed mythbuntu-diskless-server on my backend but now im stuck because a link in the wiki is dead

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skd5aner:

that's fine – appreciated the effort and theme while it lasted

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justinh:

as of 0.22 the majority if not all themes should 'work' for the time being

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_ben:

whats teh default theme atm?

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