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Wednesday, October 28th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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iamlindoro:

note to podcasters: If you want someone to listen to your inaccurate podcast about MythTV, don't make the first 75 seconds a commercial

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iamlindoro:

2:15... Myt kids are sick, it's goin around...

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iamlindoro:

2:45... when I was in grade school...

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iamlindoro:

3:13.. happy anniversary to my wife

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iamlindoro:

.22 != Twenty-two

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wagnerrp:

ecks ecks eye eye

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sphery:

ni4ni?

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Josh_:

http://thesnuggiesutra.com

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sphery:

they really need dates next to their episodes

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iamlindoro:

ARRGHHHHHHHHHH

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iamlindoro:

"You can get it's Qt based now, just, the... the interfaces look different"

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iamlindoro:

"the VDPAU stuff is turned on by default"

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

no

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wagnerrp:

can you sue someone for slander of a computer program?

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Josh_:

sphery, Are you aware if the current revision in trunk will connect to a backend running 0.22-fixes?

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iamlindoro:

It would, schemas and protocols are the same for now

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wagnerrp:

Josh_: so long as there has not been a proto bump, it will connect

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Josh_:

wagnerrp, awesome.

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Josh_:

wagnerrp, I'm gonna try trunk on that backend.

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iamlindoro:

Why? little has changed

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wagnerrp:

there will not be a bump until after 0.22 is released

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wagnerrp:

its all primarily bug fixes at this point

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Josh_:

iamlindoro, I dont know what else to do to diagnose this EPG issues.

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iamlindoro:

Nobody has touched the guidegrid

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Josh_:

iamlindoro, hmm.

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iamlindoro:

not since the branch, anyway

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wagnerrp:

WTF is a '8.0 MP (software enhanced)' webcam?

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iamlindoro:

It's the one they use on CSI

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Josh_:

iamlindoro, any suggestions? I've already set all my channel icons to "none"

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iamlindoro:

nope, no suggestions, other than running at a higher verbosity

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wagnerrp:

if the image resolution is 1280x960, how do you get 8MP out of that

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Dagmar:

"Camera math"

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Beirdo:

hmmm, seems my linode rebooted!?

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Dagmar:

Everyone's did pretty much.

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Dagmar:

Blame Shirik

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Dagmar:

Okay maybe not Shirik's fault, I've just seem him chatteering about it over the last four hours or so

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Dagmar:

They apparently had an 'oopsie' event at linode today

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

holy hell, that was a big stupid oops on their part

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Dagmar:

Yeah I watched people in four channels almost simultaneously say "wtf is ... where'd my linode go??"

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Beirdo:

now I have to check the databases for corruption

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Beirdo:

and the irclog one takes over an hour to repair if it requires it

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BitS:

so who told me I was a newbie

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BitS:

or that they've seen the newbie questions too many times

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BitS:

after renaming /etc/mythtv, it started

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BitS:

the only difference is the dbport was set to 0 in the new config.xml instead of 6543 which I added in my frustration

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BitS:

I just set that back and it still seems to work

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BitS:

it also added a mediarenderer tag to the config file

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BitS:

so the problem

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BitS:

is as you guys said

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BitS:

duh

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BitS:

I set DBPort in mysql.txt to 6543,

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BitS:

yes

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BitS:

I am a dumbass for using a mythtv port as the mysql port

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BitS:

hold your applause

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jst_home_:

anyone here know where the mythbuntu theme work is happening, i.e. an owner or mailing list or what not?

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Willy:

guys

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Willy:

i installed tv

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Willy:

*mythtv

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Willy:

but nothing happens when I click watch tv

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wagnerrp:

did you go through the setup?

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Willy:

no

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Willy:

how do i do that

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wagnerrp:

and you expect it to work?

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wagnerrp:

you do that by following the instructions

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wagnerrp:

use the documentation on the webpage

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wagnerrp:

use the manual on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

find some specific howto for your distro

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is not something you can just step into and expect to work

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wagnerrp:

you need to read

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Willy:

ok

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Willy:

i did

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Willy:

the setup

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Willy:

i remember from something i tried ealier

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Willy:

now I will try to run the front end again

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Willy:

same thing

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wagnerrp:

you ran mythtv-setup? went step by step, adding your tuner card, adding a source, connecting listings data, connecting your source to an input on a card, scanning (or pulling the channels from the listings source), setting up recording directories, making sure permissions are proper on everything...

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BitS:

wagnerrp: if you care: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7446

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BitS:

my own stupid mistake

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BitS:

sort of

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BitS:

it was my mistake, but some sort of warning/error output rather than hanging indefinitely would be better :)

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wagnerrp:

it should have reported that it could not connect to the database

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Willy:

i did

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BitS:

thanks again for your help

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Willy:

i saw the capture card on it

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BitS:

yea, that would have made my life much easier

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BitS:

thats the only reason I put in a bug report

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wagnerrp:

i mean im fairly certain it prints a lack-of-db error

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wagnerrp:

and i believe it then dumps you back to the database configuration window

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BitS:

yea, if it can't connect it does

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BitS:

yea

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wagnerrp:

or at least it used to

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BitS:

I think the problem is it can connect

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BitS:

but can't actually communicate

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BitS:

it may be a mysql library error

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BitS:

or bug rather

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wagnerrp:

you could have something there

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Willy:

wagnerrp is there something more simple to use to watch tv on computer instead of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

tvtime, xawtv, mplayer, vlc, any other v4l-capable player under linux

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BitS:

I would expect it to timeout, but I left it running last night and it appeared to be in the same state when I got home this evening, so if it was planning on timing out, the time out value is set more than a little too high

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BitS:

:)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not exist to 'watch tv on computer'

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wagnerrp:

it exists to record tv for later, so you can watch at your leisure

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Willy:

that i can connect my cable to the card?

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wagnerrp:

and as such will be far more complicated than any of those programs

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BitS:

anyway, I've I don't get to bed and make it to work on time tomorrow my boss is going to be more than slightly ignored

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BitS:

so on that note, thanks a lot, and have a good evening/afternoon/morning, depending on your time zone :)

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wagnerrp:

night

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Willy:

wagnerrp

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Willy:

tvtime

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Willy:

seems simple

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Willy:

how do i install that one from terminal

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wagnerrp:

how would i know? i dont use ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

try the proper channel, or try google

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Willy:

k

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Memphisau:

hey

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Memphisau:

on my new install, my dvico fusionmce remote is basically repeating all button presses twice

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oobe:

in mythtv or irw

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wagnerrp:

Memphisau: check out the lircrc man page

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Memphisau:

and if I check in irw it usually has 2–3 lines for each button press, however even if I am relatively quick on the press and get 1 line, mythtv will still act like i've pressed it twice

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wagnerrp:

there are functions to only use every so many keypresses

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wagnerrp:

to cut down on repeats

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Memphisau:

I have been reading much documentation, fiddling with the repeat and delay settings only seem to stop it working entirely for me

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oobe:

if its in mythtv check /etc/lirc/lircd.conf to see you havent repeated things

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oobe:

else check your lircrc and lower the number of repeat =

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Memphisau:

the lircd.conf only points to include another file which defines my remote; it's in /usr/share/lirc/remotes/dvico

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Memphisau:

and I already cleared that file of all other remote definitions except mine (figured that may have been doubling up on the remote)

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Wicked:

:o damn. lirc and pvr-150's on ubuntu 9.10 dont work currently

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Memphisau:

in ~/.mythtv/lirc the repeat and delay are 0

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Memphisau:

I tried tweaking the value for each key (find + replace), which actually made it stop working until I put the settings back (and restarted lircd again)

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sphery:

Memphisau: check you gap (in /etc/lircd.conf)... Try doubling it (i.e. from 125000 to 250000 or whatever--it should be around that order of magnitude)

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sphery:

if that helps, then play around with it to find the right value

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Memphisau:

gap is currently: 195843

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sphery:

so try up'ing it to 400000 and see if it helps

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Memphisau:

hang on, just restarting daemons now

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Memphisau:

tried 595843, but it's still doubling up on the input

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Memphisau:

actually even when it does only have 1 line in irw, it's still sending 2 presses to mythtv frontend

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oobe:

i never use the lirc setup in mythbuntu i made my own from scratch and disabled lirc generator

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sphery:

might be that it's sending both press and release events, then

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oobe:

i have no problems

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Memphisau:

I did have this remote working on a previous setup, however I don't have any of the lirc config files from that (though they were just ubuntu default, with about 1 line changes to point to the remote device)

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oobe:

Memphisau, does your remote look like this http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/dvico/FusionRemote.jpg

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Memphisau:

it's not that exact one

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oobe:

http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/Linux-DVB/DVICO/dd4-remote.PNG

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Memphisau:

it's like the one in this: http://edge101.dealsdirect.net/images/product . . . t1_18352.jpg

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Memphisau:

yeah that one

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oobe:

gee your lucky

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oobe:

i have the same remote

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oobe:

and i wrote a guide

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Memphisau:

but the receiver is a USB thing, not on the end of that 3.5" audo plug

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oobe:

oh ok

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oobe:

its the reciever that makes the difference in configuration

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oobe:

i have seen a usb reciever

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oobe:

perhaps this is why its messing up

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oobe:

i would suggest if you have the time to make your own lircd.conf using irrecord

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oobe:

and then back it up

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oobe:

so you dont need to again

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Willy_:

i did video source again

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Willy_:

when it was retreiving from direct tv

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Willy_:

for cable-us

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Willy_:

it got stock on 50%

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wagnerrp:

you were scanning analog?

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wagnerrp:

no, no, no.... you get your listings provider to give you a list of channels

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wagnerrp:

plus, you have to set up an ir blaster to work with your direct tv STB

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wagnerrp:

and in what way does 'satellite' == 'cable'?

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Willy_:

that's probably tthe error

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Willy_:

because i have timewarner

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wagnerrp:

you said direct tv

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Willy_:

yeah

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Willy_:

that's what i put

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Willy_:

to get the xmltv

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wagnerrp:

why are you using xmltv?

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wagnerrp:

you should be using schedulesdirect

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Willy_:

for video source

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wagnerrp:

schedules direct

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Willy_:

oh

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Willy_:

let me try it again

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wagnerrp:

schedulesdirect.com

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wagnerrp:

your listings provider

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Willy_:

do i have to paid for that a month?

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wagnerrp:

a year, $20

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wagnerrp:

or you can dick around with manual xmltv grabbers, that typically dont work well

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Memphisau:

my EIT grabber works pretty well

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wagnerrp:

in the US?

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Memphisau:

nah, in australia

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wagnerrp:

well there you go, our broadcasters give us crap in the US

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Willy_:

yeah in the us

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Memphisau:

the networks here generally broadcast a fortnights worth of information at regular intervals I'm led to believe

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wagnerrp:

cable providers give nothing

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Memphisau:

ouch

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wagnerrp:

and the xmltv listings are poor and unmaintained because its not worth it when you can operate hassle free for a mere $20/yr

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Willy_:

i want to try it manual first

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wagnerrp:

then get the 7-day trial

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Administrator_:

can anyone recomend an antenna to buy?

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tt884:

Yes

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Memphisau:

well I guess the one thing my government has done reasonably well is gotten people to upgrade to HDTV's and more importantly get digital tuners as a consequence

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Memphisau:

not that I agreed with giving every man and his dog $900 as a "stimulus" to the economy... I didn't receive any stimulus though :|

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wagnerrp:

well EVERYONE over here either has a digital tv, or a tuner box (since we have no more analog)

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wagnerrp:

but broadcasters still only give the current show

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wagnerrp:

or the next couple if youre lucky

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Administrator_:

so which annena to buy?

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Memphisau:

our government(s) have kept putting the switch off for several years

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Administrator_:

antenna*

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Memphisau:

it was meant to be no more analogue by 2008, now it's 2011 or 2012 I believe

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wagnerrp:

Administrator_: antennaweb.org, tvfool.com

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wagnerrp:

we cant tell you what antenna to get, because we dont know *any* details about your particular situation

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wagnerrp:

if your house is built under the tower

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Administrator_:

tvfool.com fails

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Willy_:

hey i try no grabber

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wagnerrp:

you could probably get by with just what little reception you get from the wires leading to the nub at the back of the tv

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Willy_:

would something work like that or not?

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Administrator_:

and dont ubnderstand antennaweb

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wagnerrp:

if you are several hundred miles away from civilization, youre going to need a big tower

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Administrator_:

only lists like 3 channels for my adress

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wagnerrp:

and theres a whole range in between

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Administrator_:

im in worcester mass

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Administrator_:

park hill rd to be exact

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wagnerrp:

so... plug it into antennaweb, and it gives you what channels you should get with different ratings of antenna

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wagnerrp:

im not going to do the search for you

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Willy_:

talking to me?

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wagnerrp:

Admin

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Willy_:

oh

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wagnerrp:

apparently the *second* user logged in to this server without knowing a thing about IRC

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justinh:

Willy_: mythtv with no epg data is impotent. It really needs guide data to work

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Administrator_:

wagnerrp, only lists like 3 channels

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justinh:

wagnerrp: and it's always the people with something like 'admin' or 'guru' in their nick :P

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Administrator_:

i got more that that 1 yr ago when i had crappy unidirectional annena

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Administrator_:

meh

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justinh:

omnidirectional antennas for teevee? lol

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Willy_:

wagnerrp you don't have to put a credit card to use the 7 day trial with schedules direct?

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Administrator_:

i was testing out windus 7

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Administrator_:

didnt configure irc

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wagnerrp:

Willy_: i dont know, never used their trial

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wagnerrp:

thats no excuse

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** justinh smacks KDE. stop asking for the ****ing wallet password **

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wagnerrp:

and its even worse considering youre running Administrator on an operating system specifically designed such that you wouldnt run as that user

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wagnerrp:

if you were on XP, it might be forgivable

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justinh:

so if the digital wizard websites reckon you won't be getting any reception I'd say you were boned

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justinh:

that is until they actually roll out digital services in your area

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justinh:

oh ffs we're getting *another* channel on freeview

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wagnerrp:

they had all that extra bandwidth after recompressing the program tables, they had to do something with it

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wagnerrp:

cant let that 50kbps go to waste when you can add another video channel in there

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Memphisau:

lol

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justinh:

no, that's gonna be for the 'HD' mux

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wagnerrp:

they say anything more about going through with that?

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** tjcarter smacks KDE too, just because it seems like a good idea. **

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Memphisau:

our networks here have had the regulatory noose released somewhat (it used to be that they were only allowed a second separate channel of programming if atleast some % of the programming was in HD)

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Willy_:

ok i got the trial

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justinh:

it's actually less good to smack programs 'just because' when you've met people involved in the project

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Memphisau:

now they are allowed a second channel in SD, we've already got 1 and have a couple more from the other networks coming

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Memphisau:

this is FTA though

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tjcarter:

justinh: I don't actually know if I've met people currently involved in KDE or not, I haven't kept up =)

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justinh:

heh

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Willy_:

it didn't work

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Willy_:

still i click watch tv and nothing happen

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tjcarter:

I used to know people involved

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justinh:

maybe this 'new' channel being advertised is just a rebrand of an existing one

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Willy_:

i think i am having success

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Willy_:

man this is hard work

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justinh:

ahh yes. Viva is to replace TMF

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justinh:

hard work? you don't know the meaning of it

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Willy_:

;-)

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Memphisau:

to physical and/or mentally exert alot of effort?

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Willy_:

wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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Willy_:

i got it

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Willy_:

i see tv

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justinh:

so this 'Viva' is taking the place of TMF.. great – but the network company is offering 2 extra channel slots for when analogue is switched off. FFS they go from 6 multiplexes down to 5, slim down the bitrate of channels to make room, do away with some data services & stuff – suddenly there's room for 2 more TV channels? Grrr

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justinh:

then again with decent encoding.. watched Chuck last night & it was only about 800MiB.. no noticable motion artifacts unlike higher bitrate channels

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Willy_:

how do i change channels

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justinh:

hmmm. How do you go 'up' or 'down' channels?

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Willy_:

with the arrow?

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justinh:

have you even LOOKED at the manual yet?

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Willy_:

man i think i only got 8 an 9

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justinh:

not that you'd even need the manual to be able to work out something as basic as that

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Dagmar:

Shirik: Ahem. Older women.

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justinh:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/news/a1 . . . oom-dvr.html – bloody hell – mythical convergence? Has to be too good to be true!

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Willy_:

man i wonder why i only get 8 and 9 only

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justinh:

heh. this 'Rovi' company – the new name for Macrovision

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Willy_:

thx

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Willy_:

for the help

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Willy_:

guys

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Willy_:

i had success

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Willy_:

now i need to figure couple of more things but is on the right way

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Willy_:

thx for the help

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justinh:

Ooo – their UI doesn't look sucky at all. interesting

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justinh:

still can't believe they patented grid based TV guides though. Bastards

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justinh:

oh god. showing targeted ads alongside the EPG data. that's evil

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Dagmar:

justinh: That patent is entirely non-enforceable

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Dagmar:

_Trains_ have used grid-based schedules forever now

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justinh:

doesn't alter the fact – all it needs would be for a court to uphold it – a lunatic idea I know but stranger things have happened

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Dagmar:

A judge wouldn't have much trouble spotting prior art

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justinh:

I wouldn't bet my house on it

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Dagmar:

Yeah well, this is why we keep the EFF around

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tjcarter:

wait, who patented this?

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justinh:

it's old news now, I thought

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tjcarter:

I lived under a rock for 2.5 years.

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justinh:

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7117441.html

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tjcarter:

They patented this in 2002?

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tjcarter:

Fail.

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Dagmar:

I think this bullshit would stop if people were allowed to sue patentholders by finding and declaring prior art in the public domain

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justinh:

oo you mean if common sense prevailed? lol

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justinh:

the law is an ass, remember

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Dagmar:

No, I mean if any random person with the knowledge and literacy level requisite to do so, find documented prior art existing in the public domain, they should be able to sue the patent holder for money to pay for their time.

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justinh:

jesus they're trying to take Virgin Media on it too

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Dagmar:

It would put an end to that crap ratehr quickly as law firms begin eating each other.

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ddettman:

nice idea , sue people or companies for creating a public nuisance, or acting against the good of humanity, I wonder how that would go as a class action? someone could create the CSF common sense foundation.

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justinh:

it'll be freeview/freesat/Sky next

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justinh:

where I think a judge might have difficulty establishing prior art is that no train timetable has ever been displayed on a STB UI. it's not the actual manifestation of the grid based layout – AFAICT it's the description of how it's used. They're basically saying it's a guide grid with a highlight box around the selected item. wow, what an innovative idea!

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justinh:

oh and there's also mention of a list of recorded TV programs

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tjcarter:

idiocy

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justinh:

so any device which records TV & presents a list, where the selected item's details are displayed on a panel on the same screen – is covered too. Yay!

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tjcarter:

the patent expires in 2022 which means it was filed in 2002 which means TiVo is prior art.

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justinh:

which means tivo would have to fight it

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justinh:

tivo vs the almighty macrovision. Prace bet now!

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tjcarter:

Nope, anyone sued can cite TiVo as prior art.

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justinh:

tivo have already been sued IIRC

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tjcarter:

do they own TV Guide or something?

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justinh:

yup

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tjcarter:

Or whatever the TV listings channel was before it was bought by TV Guide

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tjcarter:

Then they're gonna claim TiVo's use of the grid stems from their channel grid on the TV listings channel

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oobe:

does anyone know if its possible to add banner art to osd.xml

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tjcarter:

and therefore is not prior art

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justinh:

oobe: nope

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justinh:

tjcarter: yup

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oobe:

ty i just tried saves me trying to force it to work

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tjcarter:

question is, did they patent the TV listings channel in the 90s?

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tjcarter:

If they didn't, that argument falls flat.

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tjcarter:

OTOH, TiVo's classic interface isn't a grid

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tjcarter:

it's a pair of lists

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justinh:

oobe: unless you meant 'possible to change the c++ code to display pointless metadata' – in which case the answer is YES

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justinh:

there are way too many cases in the OSD code now IMHO

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justinh:

so anyway, it's all just another reason we should all worry about software being seen as patentable :(

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clever:

Dagmar: america seems to think they can sue anybody over anything

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justinh:

and further muddies the water when folks argue about why mythtv doesn't allow some (potentially) illegal stuff yet so clearly violates in other areas :P

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Dagmar:

clever: No, lawyers do.

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Dagmar:

America just happens to have a lot of them at the moment

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Dagmar:

...and the Japanese ones are less public about it

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clever:

Dagmar: ive seen news articles about people sueing god and the bible:P

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justinh:

but it's OK – just pay the licensing fees & nobody gets sued!

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Dagmar:

clever: lawyers

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justinh:

when they're done with the big fish who knows who they'll go for next

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clever:

Dagmar: yep, it was a lawyer who just wanted to proove that you can sue anybody:P

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clever:

Dagmar: the suit against god fell thru because he has no fixed address to send the paper work to

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clever:

he got out on a technicality:P

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Memphisau:

seen 'the man who sued god' have you?

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tjcarter:

lol

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Memphisau:

good movie

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tjcarter:

That's more or less how a cult is defined these days: If you can serve papers on the deity, it's a cult. If not, it's a religion

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clever:

never heard of the movie, but i saw the news article

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clever:

dont think the news article was about the movie

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tjcarter:

Of course by that metric, scientology must be regarded as a religion, and not a joke.

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** tjcarter lives across the street from a church of scientology **

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tjcarter:

...

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tjcarter:

Why can't I live across the street from a masonic temple or something INTERESTING? lol

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tjcarter:

At least I could stand in front of it and heckle people with conspiracy theories

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simonckenyon:

last night i was bitten by the "why are there no channel icons on the OSD?" – had forgotten that the full path is in the channels table – is this a candidate for Storage Groups?

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tjcarter:

With scientology, the closest I could do was heckle people with what they believe ;)

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cheeseboy:

tjcarter, scientology is equally ridiculous as any other religion

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mzb:

[OT]: can anyone assist me with a kernel-module concept?

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tjcarter:

cheeseboy: You don't have writings of Moses joking about creating a religion out of his fictional novels for profit

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cheeseboy:

noth that you are aware of

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justinh:

simonckenyon: thought it already was

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cheeseboy:

anyways night

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tjcarter:

cheeseboy: Ah, but my argument is that such DOES provably exist with Hubbard.

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tjcarter:

I cannot state with 100% certainty that Moses never said something like that, but likewise there's no proof to the contrary.

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simonckenyon:

justinh: will have to check the code – no obvious place in the UI for defining the location that i can see

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tjcarter:

so an actual topical discussion... I am sitting here looking at the GUI and the external command for a channel changer

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pmhahn:

Hi. I don't have MythVideo installed (so no 'videometadata' table), but UPnP-scanning errors on "SELECT filename, title, coverfile FROM videometadata" every 10 seconds. How can I silence MythTV-0.22-svn?

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tjcarter:

I would like to specify a GUID. I can't see how to copy/paste this.

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justinh:

tjcarter: you can't

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tjcarter:

so I must painstakingly type it out? =p

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justinh:

pmhahn: you can't

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justinh:

tjcarter: you should just be able to paste into any text window with the usual keypresses ;-)

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tjcarter:

* justinh is now known as Dr_No

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pmhahn:

justinh: I'm not afraid of creating that table by hand ..., because compiling MythVideo from svn failed for me.

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tjcarter:

justinh: I'm wondering if I can just stuff it into mysqladmin or something ;)

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justinh:

pmhahn: so fix whatever is wrong in building it

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justinh:

tjcarter: course you can but it's not encouraged here

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tjcarter:

well if it's not encouraged, you're not likely to tell me how to do it that way =p

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tjcarter:

=)

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justinh:

that's a NO then :P

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justinh:

what can I say, I enjoy giving people bad nes

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justinh:

*news

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tjcarter:

hahaha

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justinh:

wtf kind of retarded tattle is on -users now? sheevaplug as a MBE. F F S !

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justinh:

I bet that new phone watch runs something linuxish like those media player watches too.. bet they could be MBEs too, networked with bluetooth!

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justinh:

and "is it just me or is mythtv.org down?". LOL

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justinh:

so they ask a question if the domain is down, emailed to the domain they think might be down. yeah

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justinh:

ucking morons

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Dibblah:

It might run a MBE quite well.

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ivor:

justinh: every thought how much cheerier you'd be if you didn't read "the internet".

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Dibblah:

For a terrestrial analogue system.

[09:02:15]

Dibblah:

If the sheeva hosts none of the tuners.

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justinh:

ivor: who says I'm not cheerful?

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Dibblah:

He likes being grumpy.

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justinh:

I do actually enjoy it

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justinh:

:)

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justinh:

imagine bottling it all up. jees.

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ivor:

:)

[09:04:09]

justinh:

well, can't seem to find any solution to kdewallet always wanting a password when I reset it to a blank one last week. grr

[09:05:14]

ivor:

oh yeah. I had that once....

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ivor:

no idea what I did to fix it mind. ;)

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simonckenyon:

having checked the code i don't think the channel icons use storage groups

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justinh:

it's bloody annoying how *buntu tries to protect users from themselves sometimes

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justinh:

simonckenyon: pretty sure I

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justinh:

duh I've seen ML traffic about it

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justinh:

apparently not. see #7247

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justinh:

couldn't sworn I saw somebody saying they'd got it working

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simonckenyon:

justinh: well the code is pretty "dense" but i see no reference to the use of sg's to retrieve the files and the absolute path name is stored in the channel table

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simonckenyon:

LOL. feature request without a patch – that really is a pretty lame response – in a past life we used to say "sad but true" in our bug tracking system

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Colani1200|work:

Hello alltogether

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Colani1200|work:

does somebody by chance have experience with ACPI wakeup on an ASUS A7v333?

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filefreak:

is the SVN down?

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filefreak:

i can't access it

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oobe:

filefreak, appears that way

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oobe:

simonckenyon, i still use nfs shares for my channel icons

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simonckenyon:

it was just that i brought up a new frontend and i had forgotten the dance that i had to do to get the icons to display – trying to work out how mythvideo does all the sg stuff to see if it is a simple job to add it

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justinh:

might be but it'll never make it into 0.22

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simonckenyon:

i always run trunk – so an arbitrary release is not much consequence

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Dibblah:

clever: I think we'd better stop the OT talk :)

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clever:

yeah

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Dibblah:

Grown ups are trying to work ;)

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justinh:

on topic talk, you mean :O

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Dibblah:

in #mythtv.

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justinh:

ahh. not setting foot in there

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justinh:

bah. I hate css mangling

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tjcarter:

okay, I have MythTV! Kind of.

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justinh:

oh cool

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tjcarter:

I'm having flickery playback and OSD. Google says this is bobx2, but I can't find that where I remember it (TV playback)

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tjcarter:

has it moved? =)

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justinh:

so you've got everything working apart from the TV part. And the myth bit

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tjcarter:

haha

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tjcarter:

I think if I change the deinterlacer I'll be fine.

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justinh:

I use greedy 2x

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tjcarter:

okay, apparently under playback profiles, but I don't see it

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Dibblah:

Playback profiles / Edit... / second page

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eFfeM:

hi, when I run mythtv-setup my mouse cursor is gone, anyone an idea what I can do to fix this?

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justinh:

you don't even need a mouse for that

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eFfeM:

justinh: then how can I select from a drop down box ?

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justinh:

erm with the arrow keys?

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eFfeM:

the arrow keys move me to the next field

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justinh:

they shouldn't do

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justinh:

left/right/up/down should do different things

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eFfeM:

hmm

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tjcarter:

fixed it

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eFfeM:

(btw this is 0.22rc1)

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tjcarter:

so there's the TV

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tjcarter:

now for the Myth

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eFfeM:

if the mouse happens to be at the right spot I can use it, but it is very hard to set it up

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justinh:

myth defaults to hiding the mouse pointer

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janneg:

eFfeM: mythtv has a setting for hiding the mouse pointer

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justinh:

which you won't see until you've got mythtv all set up – at least as far as mythtv-setup is concerned

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eFfeM:

hmm

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justinh:

try mythtv-setup -O HideMouseCursor="0"

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janneg:

bah, again to slow

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justinh:

but using the arrow keys SHOULD work

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eFfeM:

justinh: thanks, will try that and also recheck the arrows

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justinh:

ffs Mandelson is still prattling on about cutting file sharers off the internet. It's not governments responsibility to look after companies' business interests damnit

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** Dibblah just wants the media providers to sort out their act :( **

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Dibblah:

I want to watch x. I pay 10p for the right to watch x one time.

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eFfeM:

justinh: janneg, got it working with the cursor but also found out the usage of the keys; up/down moves to a different item, left/right moves value

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eFfeM:

still have some config to do (but myth website is quite slow)

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gbee:

had a CD imported from the US and I'm amused by the number/size of the FBI 'Copying is punishable under law' 'Unauthorized duplication is a violation of applicable laws' 'Death to those who copy this CD' warnings

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pat-droid:

is mythtv.org down?

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justinh:

looks like it

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pat-droid:

revamp of the site prior to 0.22? one can hope :)

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gbee:

revamp?

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pat-droid:

update

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justinh:

update?

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justinh:

you don't need to take a site down to update stuff

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pat-droid:

echo

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pat-droid:

sure

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gbee:

I'm wondering what's wrong with the site as it is now

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justinh:

and the whole domain going bonk probably indicates there's something wrong

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gbee:

arranging for a reboot now

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gbee:

but this is the third time in the last 24 hours, something's rotten

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justinh:

it's been a bit flaky for a few weeks in different ways – dunno if trac is on a different server or what

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justinh:

is it due to excessive demand or something?

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gbee:

we don't know what's wrong

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gbee:

earlier flakiness seemed to be fixed by software upgrades and configuration changes, but the recent problem is a mystery

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balachmar:

Hi, a friend of mine, has a separate backend and frontend and found out that mytharchive does not work.

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balachmar:

My question now, is what work is required to make this work? What would be the best way to get the recording from the backend to the frontend. (Afterwards the DVD creation is probably the same)

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usg990a:

I am sure this may have been asked several times before but is the mythtv.org site down? I have not been able to access since Monday

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gbee:

usg990a: sounds like you should change your ISP

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usg990a:

did the server move to a new IP? (DNS issue)?

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stuarta:

it's thrashing itself to death

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stuarta:

we're currently trying to sort it out

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usg990a:

stuarta: thanks for the info

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** stuarta admires load average of 176 **

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mag0o:

whoa

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Memphisau:

haha

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Memphisau:

I can get about 15 on one of my machines

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Memphisau:

without the cpu usage pegging above ~50%

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HypNoMadic:

Hi – I'm using trunk with the daily updates and the frontend gets VERY slow the longer it has been up. If I restart the frontend or X, it gets much better until it's been up a bit and then gets slow again, does this sound like a memory leak?

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stuarta:

possibly, try looking at frontend size in top and see if it grows

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justinh:

jees somebody pissed cardoe off http://blog.cardoe.com/archives/2009/10/24/my . . . ase-problem/

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sphery:

justinh: yeah, the "Unfortunately, the MythTV developers incorrectly use MySQL..." part is completely wrong.

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Dibblah:

"developers incorrectly use MySQL"

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ddettman:

who has he spoken to on the #mythtv-dev channel ?

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Dibblah:

Used mysql to store data which at the time it couldn't handle.

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justinh:

wonder how his fork is going

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sphery:

MythTV 0.21-fixes and before did not set the connection encoding which meant that if the MySQL server wasn't configured a specific way, data corruption resulted

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sphery:

Of course, we would have fixed it--had /anyone/ figured out what the problem was

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sphery:

but, instead, the people who were affected by the issue just did hacks like changing their DB schema and writing up wiki pages to teach others how to break their systems.

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sphery:

Sounds to me like they're forcing themselves into a smaller corner of the "market" for free PVR software.

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sphery:

heh

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Dibblah:

"I did my own thing with Ruby on Rails, Mplayer and DRb and I have never looked back. And yes, MySQL with UTF-8." heh.

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justinh:

yeah cos there are so many OSS PVRs

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stuarta:

why is it the clueless congregate on forums?

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sphery:

(that being a comment, not one of Doug's statements)

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justinh:

stuarta: blogs

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stuarta:

just as bad

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justinh:

you should see the comments folk are leaving about my nick griffin video on liveleak

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sphery:

nice... Though the Ruby on Rails, Mplayer and DRb guy really should have used perl--only takes 1731 lines to replace all of Myth

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sphery:

and a DB is just overhead--all you need is flat files

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Dibblah:

In some ways, the complaints are valid – Myth was doing it wrong.

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justinh:

the operative word being WAS

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sphery:

The only thing Myth did wrong was fail to set the connection charset

[13:53:50]

Dibblah:

But... When you correct the "wrong" and people bitch about it because their workaround has broken the DB?

[13:53:52]

sphery:

but no one realized that was a problem

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justinh:

problem is when people take what's in the wiki as official

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GreyFoxx:

dibbz: Users will bitch at anything :)

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Dibblah:

Even the wiki doc on the workaround (after a very short time) had a big warning on it.

[13:54:40]

usg990a:

despite the tone of his blog, I as a gentoo user appreciate know that I could run into an issue no matter where fault is.

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GreyFoxx:

dibbz: I use to support software that we discovered a bug in, and fixed it... turns out the customer had EXPLOITED the bug to do stuff they were not suppose to do and freaked when we fixed the bug

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** sphery should really finish the DB-charset-check-and-fix script **

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GreyFoxx:

They knew they were exploiting the bug

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sphery:

They must be mad. This prevents any chance of modifying data in the db by hand or via PHPMyAdmin. Where any sensible developer would just use UTF-8 everywhere, they seem to be taking a backwards step. Gah! Idiots.

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sphery:

nice...

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Makere:

writeaudio: buffer underrun, mythfrontend hates me

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GreyFoxx:

We should move to flat text files for the database and csv files

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: don't suppose you can offer some vague explanation of that for amusement?

[14:03:03]

GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: Because it would annoy people :)

[14:03:15]

tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: not what I meant

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: yeah, the foundation has been laid, already: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187428#187428

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: the customer exploiting a bug

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sphery:

- there is no database, only plain text files

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tmkt_:

Dargo

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tjcarter:

argh!!

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tjcarter:

razzin frazzin motherfu...! STUPID QT!

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HypNoMadic:

top

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tjcarter:

I have two STBs

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tjcarter:

channels change with 6200ch

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tjcarter:

node number changes with reboots for some reason

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tjcarter:

MUST use GUID then

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CyberKnet:

My channels change with remote.

[14:05:56]

tjcarter:

but while it works great from CLI, myth must have a typo in the GUID.

[14:06:03]

tjcarter:

....THIRD TIME I have retyped it.

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GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: oh.... they were exploiting a bug in a popup prompt to let them bypass some security mechanisms to do certain jobs. This allowed them to let all of their emplyees do certain work without given them proper security clearance

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: ahha

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: you'd think they'd WANT that fixed for security

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HypNoMadic:

oops sorry – stuarta – should the memory % in top never change, or can it change a bit? like from 5.5% to 5.6% is normal even if I'm not moving around or using the frontend at the moment?

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sphery:

it changes constantly

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stuarta:

abnormaly would be to continue going up

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sphery:

over /long/ time periods

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stuarta:

it'll go up during playback, but then come back down

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HypNoMadic:

ok thanks, I'll keep my eyes peeled for any trends

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CyberKnet:

slooooooooow. :|

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gbee:

find a faster booting distro :)

[14:12:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

or a faster CPU. ;-)

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tjcarter:

okay, THIS should work

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Memphisau:

just throw more hardware at the problem

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CyberKnet:

two guesses for what 'distro' this pc is using now ;)

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tjcarter:

I did a dump of mythconverg, edited the 6200ch lines found therein with pasted GUIDs, and restored it.

[14:13:15]

CyberKnet:

and the second one doesn't count.

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tjcarter:

and yet it still does not work =(

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tjcarter:

ahha, think I know why

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justinh:

PEBKAC

[14:23:52]

tjcarter:

probably

[14:30:24]

tjcarter:

Did you redo Project Grayhem again?

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justinh:

did I ****

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justinh:

why would I want to do that?

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** gbee officially retires from theme creation, at least I won't be releasing themes to the public **

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justinh:

dunno if saying it's a mug's game is going too far or not, but I've said it before

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tjcarter:

justinh: I just looks rather different from when I last saw it, and I saw it after you redid it and added the red

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justinh:

what red?

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tjcarter:

for highlight color

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justinh:

wtf?

[14:33:23]

tjcarter:

though, it's now blue

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justinh:

wtf?

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justinh:

screenshot please

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tjcarter:

it's the only red that shows up in the preview image for Project Grayhem

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justinh:

oh THAT

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tjcarter:

the little "light"

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justinh:

sigh. nobody ever read the f***ing README

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tjcarter:

I figured you had other color options

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tjcarter:

I was talking about the background actually

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justinh:

eh?

[14:35:01]

tjcarter:

It looked like you changed it is all

[14:35:05]

tjcarter:

then again..

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justinh:

yeah the 'button' can be one of three colours

[14:35:09]

** tjcarter is blind =D **

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justinh:

README

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justinh:

I totally forgot I'd done that. Pfft

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tjcarter:

I still remember when there was no "button"

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tjcarter:

and when you first added it

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gbee:

PG was customisable? I thought I pioneered that with metallurgy ...

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tjcarter:

(which was a total redo of the theme)

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justinh:

I still remember when I could be bothered, before users WHINGING put me off for life

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gbee:

just goes to show that nothing is original :)

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tjcarter:

haha

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justinh:

gbee: imitation, yada yada ;-)

[14:36:42]

justinh:

that must've been the only decent idea I ever had though

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justinh:

nobody ever copied anything else :P

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iamlindoro:

gbee, We can just keep the good themes traded privately amongst the dozen or so Myth users who aren't assholes

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sid3windr:

dang

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sid3windr:

no themes for me then :>

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justinh:

no themes for people who say dang, no

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justinh:

crap. I said it now

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tjcarter:

nah, when you redid it, I remember thinking the new version wasn't to my liking, but glass was lickable, so I started using that. Well, just saw PG-wide and decided it looked better than I remembered, and am now using that

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sid3windr:

hah.

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justinh:

tjcarter: and I remember crap like that was a big part of what pissed me off

[14:38:14]

justinh:

pity, I was in such a good mood for a wednesday today too :(

[14:38:16]

tjcarter:

justinh: people whining about you changing stuff or not changing stuff?

[14:38:31]

justinh:

they can all go die in a fire, anyway

[14:38:32]

iamlindoro:

Just remember, changing a font or a font size does *not* make you part of the "theming community"

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justinh:

there's a community?

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gbee:

I'm just really sorry for all the mean things I said about GANT

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iamlindoro:

nor does adding floating artwork to someone else's theme

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resno:

so editing someone's hardwork doesnt make it mine?

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** mag0o changes the font back and throws in his themeing card **

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justinh:

gbee: nah, it's hard not to be as bad as everybody else

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iamlindoro:

resno, Despite recent imflammatory threads on the users list, no :)

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mag0o:

oh wait, nm...

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sid3windr:

hardwork, artwork.. heh

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justinh:

and if me holding back on criticism has a positive effect on the number of *great* mythtv themes, I'll continue to do so

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sid3windr:

wait, what? you've been holding back?

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sid3windr:

:]

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justinh:

though if I ever see another Leafers-wide I *will* do the right thing

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tjcarter:

my favorite themes (in random order) are blootube, neon, PG, glass

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** sid3windr also still using blootube-wide :) **

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justinh:

gbee: it's not so much that GANT is bad – it uses all those default graphics – and they were always ropey as hell

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tjcarter:

sid3windr: I don't have enough RAM for blootube-wide ;)

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justinh:

not even antialiased, lumpy, jaggy.. eew

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

you need ram for that? :/

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sid3windr:

I didn't realise

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** Dibblah is also still using blootube-wide. **

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sid3windr:

1GB DDR2 is like $10

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** justinh tries to change the subject **

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gbee:

some of the complaints about Terra actually make me less motivated to finish it, negative feedback loop :/

[14:42:16]

tjcarter:

sid3windr: sure is purdy though =D

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filefreak:

im trying to build the RC 0.22 on windows, and I get EFFECT FAILED (newer -> shell): mtime of file (C:/mythtv/mythtv/libs/libmyth/libmyth-0.22.dll) should be greater than file (C:/mythtv/mythtv/last_build.txt). [0] [1256711095].

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iamlindoro:

ahem, "<iamlindoro> Check open bugs, Windows doesn't build right now"

[14:42:34]

filefreak:

but the file doesn't even exist (it doesn't build)

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iamlindoro:

meaning, you can't get there from here

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tjcarter:

0.22 builds on windows? O_o

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gbee:

it doesn't? That's not good

[14:43:03]

tjcarter:

o_O

[14:43:05]

filefreak:

no...no it doenst

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gbee:

tjcarter: so did 0.21

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iamlindoro:

no, it doesn't... and as diligent users of pre-release/development software, presumably we all knew that already

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gbee:

tjcarter: we've had OSX and Windows support for a while :)

[14:44:17]

justinh:

OSX I can understand but windows.. meh

[14:44:17]

tjcarter:

gbee: I had no end of trouble figuring out how to build it on the Mac, until someone handed me a clue in the form of telling me the script had been modified so you had to tell it what branch to use ;)

[14:44:22]

gbee:

iamlindoro: oh, umm, yeah but of course I knew ;)

[14:44:27]

iamlindoro:

heh

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filefreak:

is there any revision apart from 21995 that does build on windows? (the one in the build script)

[14:45:19]

tjcarter:

gbee: at which point I swore ten times as much as I had all the millions of times I had tried to build it (because there wasn't really any mention of this change anywhere I could find), and built a working version =D

[14:45:33]

justinh:

blame the wiki!

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** tjcarter blames the wiki **

[14:45:59]

tjcarter:

wait, why am I blaming the wiki?

[14:46:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

What's Winblows? ;-)

[14:46:04]

iamlindoro:

filefreak, none that is protocol or schema compatible with .22, no

[14:46:05]

justinh:

crap. one of my youtube vids has had over 10,000 views

[14:46:16]

Memphisau:

is that a bad thing?

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sid3windr:

no idea what winblows is, J-e-f-f-A , but windows is a popular operating system ;)

[14:46:29]

gbee:

21995? Ouch, that's old ...

[14:46:32]

justinh:

just a lot more than I thought it'd ever get

[14:46:36]

sid3windr:

often fails to operate, but still

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Memphisau:

what's the video about?

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justinh:

sid3windr: depends what you mean by 'fails'

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justinh:

Memphisau: nothing interesting. just a bit of fun

[14:47:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: not so much here... hehehehehehe ... ;-)

[14:48:14]

iamlindoro:

ahhh, I do love waking up and finding there's no fresh hell to clean up on the wiki

[14:49:09]

justinh:

lol. friend of mine says his boss wants him to do an intranet site that looks like an olde worlde bulletin (i.e. cork) board. I suggested a webcam pointed at the real thing

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sid3windr:

:D

[14:50:02]

justinh:

has to be easy for non-techies to use so why not? :P

[14:50:19]

Dibblah:

I like this. People bitch and moan that Myth is bloated and bug infested. Then bitch and moan when it's essentially entirely rewritten. :(

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justinh:

Dibblah: that's how open source works

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sid3windr:

rewritten?

[14:50:52]

justinh:

or rather, it doesn't

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sid3windr:

I hope it's in ruby

[14:51:03]

sid3windr:

and mysql with utf8

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justinh:

python!

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sid3windr:

and perl.

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Dibblah:

QT4 migration was essentially touching most code.

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justinh:

BASIC!

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sid3windr:

shouldn't be more than 60 lines, no?

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CyberKnet:

heh

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filefreak:

FORTRAN!

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justinh:

assembler!

[14:51:35]

filefreak:

punch cards and tape

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Dibblah:

Quite a bit of it isn't just mechanical rewrites – It's actually understood + rewritten.

[14:51:49]

CyberKnet:

sid3windr: 20 lines if it was ported to perl

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CyberKnet:

sid3windr: unoptimized, of course.

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justinh:

Dibblah: it's actually got to the point where it's completely demoralising

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Memphisau:

our favourite kind of optimized?

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sid3windr:

CyberKnet: but 15 of those are the gpl notice, no?

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CyberKnet:

sid3windr: and the shebang...

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gbee:

if mythtv is bloated, and I'd argue it's not, it's only because we accepted every ridiculous feature patch submitted by the users

[14:52:52]

justinh:

I mean like, not to the point where you might take a break & go back later. Like you just can't be arsed to even look at the code anymore & do the stuff you wanna do for your own benefit

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sid3windr:

:D

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Dibblah:

gbee: Exactly the problem.

[14:53:31]

CyberKnet:

aaah man. It's sad to hear you guys talk like that.

[14:53:36]

Memphisau:

can't people just afford the hardware to run it?

[14:53:41]

justinh:

when have user requests ever been accepted? seriously

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Dibblah:

I was trying to diagnose why I get (on some machines) 2fps in sticky ffwd.

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gbee:

so what you're effectively saying is that in the same breath users are complaining that it's bloated and asking why X/Y aren't included?

[14:54:17]

Dibblah:

The code is so grotesquely convoluted to cover all possible use cases. :(

[14:54:21]

Memphisau:

well that's what's currently happening I think

[14:54:39]

Memphisau:

but I think they just need more hardware to deal with the added features

[14:54:45]

justinh:

Memphisau: the ratio of ideas deemed worthy of inclusion is a small figure

[14:54:56]

justinh:

I mean VERY small

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Dibblah:

Ideas are easy.

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Memphisau:

yeah

[14:55:13]

Dibblah:

Implementations are moderately easy.

[14:55:21]

Dibblah:

Testing and debugging is _hard_.

[14:55:41]

Memphisau:

yeah, and then convincing people it's good software :p

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iamlindoro:

A feature that reads the mind of one user confuses the crap out of the next-- thus the current drive to rip out settings and settle on sensible defaults. PEople can adapt. Those that can't adapt can...

[14:55:49]

justinh:

nobody promoted mythtv anymore

[14:55:57]

iamlindoro:

GDIAF

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justinh:

s/promoted/promotes

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Dibblah:

iamlindoro: I'll go and grab my favorite from the code. One min...

[14:56:38]

mag0o:

you and your fire

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justinh:

muhahahhaha

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CyberKnet:

gdiaf – go die in a fire?

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iamlindoro:

justinh, and those that do have podcasts that impart gems like, and I'm quoting now, "When you start it, you can just... you can see it's now based on Qt, because the interface looks different."

[14:57:04]

justinh:

it's the greatest thing since sliced users brains

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iamlindoro:

justinh, That's from the "newly released" episode

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justinh:

Pat Davila & Co.. I'll go on record here.. can go to hell

[14:57:45]

justinh:

them & their fellow misinformation peddlers

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mag0o:

CyberKnet: i had to google it too

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justinh:

but as long as the project has no *official* news outlet...

[14:58:17]

CyberKnet:

mag0o: I didn't google ... was just curious. It was the only thing I could get that made sense.

[14:58:22]

mag0o:

heh

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Dibblah:

Right. Read this *once* only and tell me what it means:

[14:58:25]

Dibblah:

"If enabled, then immediately after rewinding, only skip forward the same amount as skipping backwards."

[14:58:31]

iamlindoro:

WOW

[14:58:32]

iamlindoro:

http://blog.cardoe.com/archives/2009/10/24/my . . . ase-problem/

[14:58:32]

justinh:

wtf?

[14:58:37]

iamlindoro:

Looks liek Cardoe is mad at us

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CyberKnet:

I use that one

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justinh:

iamlindoro: read that earlier

[14:58:47]

iamlindoro:

what a douchey douche

[14:59:03]

justinh:

it's actually being dugg too :(

[14:59:12]

justinh:

iamlindoro: ask him how his fork is going

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iamlindoro:

and getwittert

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Dibblah:

I note that he's retreated from #mythtv

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usg990a:

for as much bitching as we (users) do, the users do appreciate all the hard work that goesd into myth (at least most of us) :)

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Dibblah:

CyberKnet: Yes, but what does it mean?

[14:59:59]

justinh:

iamlindoro: do you reckon @pla1 has a ponytail?

[15:00:08]

justinh:

or would it be more likely to be a mullet?

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Dibblah:

justinh: Careful there...

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CyberKnet:

Dibblah: immediately after rewinding, don't skip forward by 30 seconds, use a smaller increment instead

[15:00:40]

CyberKnet:

which might be a better explanation than what is there, I suppose.

[15:00:42]

iamlindoro:

picture looks like a close cropped older gentleman

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justinh:

never stops it being long at the back

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Dibblah:

CyberKnet: Now try to think how to remove that setting.

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CyberKnet:

By making it the default

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justinh:

is that the 'smart rewind' feature ?

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah, Ah, yeah, that one is on my list

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justinh:

I think taking into account users' reaction time (coupled with remote latency) is a good idea

[15:02:02]

Dibblah:

Smart Forward, but yes.

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CyberKnet:

justinh: I don't know what it's called – I just know that it's what I use.

[15:02:09]

Dibblah:

justinh: It does that.

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Dibblah:

And...

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Dibblah:

You won't believe it but there's a setting for that too.

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justinh:

the amount of time, sure

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justinh:

not sure there's any point being able to configure that

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Dibblah:

The problem with all of these settings is that there is literally _no_ way to test the codebase.

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justinh:

not without the infinite improbability generator

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justinh:

plop yer remote in a nice hot cup of tea

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CyberKnet:

Does anyone actively not want to use that Smart Forward feature?

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CyberKnet:

It seems like a great feature to me.

[15:06:35]

CyberKnet:

Obviously, I use it all the time – but still.

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Dibblah:

How does it interact with sticky ffwd?

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justinh:

just works, innit

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justinh:

I use both

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justinh:

do away with having to hold the buttons down :)

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eFfeM:

trying to configure my backend, I have xmltv installed, but mythtv-setup does not find a grabber; is there something I needed to do after installing xmltv (I just got xmltv from my ubuntu feed); could not find anything on this in the doc

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justinh:

maybe restart mythtv-setup if it ws still running

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roy_hobbs:

Is there a special name for capture cards that aren't tuners? I don't need a tuner as I have a set-top-box, I just want composite/s-video and nice mpeg(-2) encoding

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Dibblah:

pvr-150s.

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eFfeM:

justinh: already tried that (that was the first I thought of myself)

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Dibblah:

eFfeM: What's displayed in the console window where you started mythtv-setup from?

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eFfeM:

actually I guess somehwere I need to select which grabber I want (or is that what happens in mythttv-setup

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eFfeM:

dibb

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eFfeM:

Dibblah: 2009-10–28 15:02:54.944 XMLTVFindGrabbers: Running 'tv_find_grabbers baseline'.

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eFfeM:

2009-10–28 15:03:19.981 XMLTVFindGrabbers: We timed out waiting

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Dibblah:

Maybe try http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe . . . &spell=1

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Dibblah:

;)

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wagnerrp:

roy_hobbs: pretty much anything you buy is going to be a tuner card

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roy_hobbs:

wagnerrp: yeah that's what i'm finding. i guess my big decision is internal vs external

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justinh:

and if the tuner has one of those metal cans, it does away with the need to wear a tinfoil hat!

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wagnerrp:

the ones that arent will be the occasional device for capturing VHS, and multi-port video security cards

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sphery:

roy_hobbs: tuners are dirt cheap, so there's no benefit to not including them

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eFfeM:

Dibblah: thanks that helped

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roy_hobbs:

Are there any models that can adjust the quality of the encoding in the hardware, so I don't have to transcode on the fly? I want to have a front-end in a remote location with only ~100kB connection. And the processor in the backend isn't extremely powerful.

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justinh:

100kbit/sec is not gonna be very good

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eFfeM:

wagnerrp: wrt your suggestions yesterday: I've moved to 0.22rc1 and that got me rolling (haven't seen video yet, but I can get into setup :-)

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wagnerrp:

kB, 800kbit/sec

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sid3windr:

they see you rollin'

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sid3windr:

they hatin'

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justinh:

looks like you need to alter your expectations of what mythtv can do

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justinh:

doubt it's 100KB/sec

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sphery:

Only analog capture cards will allow you to adjust the bitrate. Digital capture just captures whatever the broadcaster/re-broadcaster gives you.

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wagnerrp:

roy_hobbs: mythtv will currently not be capable of what you want

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sid3windr:

justinh: why not?

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roy_hobbs:

I was able to stream video pretty good up there with VLC

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sphery:

and "on the fly" changes to bitrate aren't supported by Myth

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justinh:

if you want place shifting, get one of those stupid shaped pieces of crap

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sid3windr:

at least here in Belgium 1Mbit upload is getting pretty common

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wagnerrp:

there is automated streaming with on-the-fly transcoding in mythweb through a flash player

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roy_hobbs:

96 kbit audio and 700 video

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sid3windr:

and we're a third world country concerning internets ;/

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wagnerrp:

but mythtv is not designed to do that on its own

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justinh:

sid3windr: try 128kb upload

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wagnerrp:

and the flash player is far from a real frontend

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sid3windr:

:)

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justinh:

oo sorry 256kb

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roy_hobbs:

wagnerrp: hmm, even if the quality from the capture card chances without myth knowing about it?

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justinh:

roy_hobbs: no

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justinh:

mythtv can't do what you want to do with it

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wagnerrp:

digital tuners and mpeg encoders, mythtv just gets what the card sends to it

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wagnerrp:

and mpeg encoders only work off pre-defined profiles

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sphery:

yay... "Weather is green!" I just may get to see that Ares 1X launch today.

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wagnerrp:

(and 700kbps is painfully low for mpeg2)

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roy_hobbs:

Well, I guess I can just use it as a pvr and use my own vlc commands for streaming.

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justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

stupid people always want placeshifting

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sphery:

roy_hobbs: that works well--since Myth is designed as a PVR ;)

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justinh:

I'd love to see placeshifting outlawed or something

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

roy_hobbs: might want to check out http://www.slingmedia.com/ , too

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wagnerrp:

0.23 may have restructured recording storage, which would allow multiple files attached to a single recording

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sphery:

as it's more designed for what you want

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roy_hobbs:

sphery: that's what I want, a DIY slingbox

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justinh:

why DIY?

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wagnerrp:

from that point, you could in theory run a transcoder to add a low bitrate copy, that would be played remotely

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wagnerrp:

but its not going to work in 0.22

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roy_hobbs:

justinh: more interesting that way

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justinh:

interesting? wtf point is it making it more 'interesting' to implement?

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justinh:

means it takes longer, more time == more money – unless you don't value your time :P

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sphery:

justinh: because who wouldn't want to pay 100x as much to get an extremely-powerful general-purpose CPU that can do real-time transcoding of high-bitrate/high-resolution video to low-bitrate/low-resolution video?

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sphery:

(OK, a bit of an exaggeration, but...)

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justinh:

and FWIW it's kind of 'cool' to have video streamed from home but jesus it looks awful

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sphery:

countdown resumed!

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justinh:

while it's watchable I wouldn't wanna see the majority of stuff that way

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sphery:

justinh: yeah, if it's not DVD quality or better, it's not worth the effort

[15:27:18]

justinh:

like DVD vs youtube.. hmmm

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sphery:

I mean, if you want to imagine what it should look like, just read a book.

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roy_hobbs:

100x ? all i need is the capture card

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justinh:

then there's all the electrickery costs too

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sphery:

roy_hobbs: just saying that transcoding high-bitrate/high-resolution video in real time takes a /big/ processor

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justinh:

100 or more watts vs 15 or whatever

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justinh:

plus sling have gone to great pains to make it dead easy to set up

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justinh:

and use

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roy_hobbs:

yeah but it doesn't have a digital output that i can use to save to a harddrive too

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justinh:

but hey if you like painful commandline junk, it's your funeral. I've had enough of trying to be a voice of reason around here

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wagnerrp:

do you actually want place shifting? or do you want to watch stuff remotely on your laptop?

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roy_hobbs:

I want PVR and placeshifting

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wagnerrp:

why do you want a full fledged remote frontend?

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roy_hobbs:

I thought it would make it easier to control the backend.

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wagnerrp:

assuming youre not going to watch livetv (as most of us dont), the flash streaming in mythweb works just fine for recordings

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wagnerrp:

similarly, mythweb works just fine for scheduling and managing recordings

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tmkt:

anyway to get mythweb to show up normally on iphone/safari? the new version is pretty limited

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mag0o:

change the user agent?

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tmkt:

yup..thats what i figured

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iamlindoro:

Gah, some people don't get the diff concept

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wagnerrp:

posting full files?

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iamlindoro:

if you add a new copy of your patch... don't make the diff against the file with your old patch applied

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mag0o:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: that too

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wagnerrp:

the amazing thing is it is actually *harder* to do that, than to patch against the original

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wagnerrp:

i mean 'svn diff' is dead simple

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wagnerrp:

im sure other version managers have something similar

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iamlindoro:

oof, this allocine patch is a wreck

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iamlindoro:

for some reason he decided to have it wget the poster to /tmp instead of presenting the URL

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wagnerrp:

request a 'go back and try it again'?

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iamlindoro:

given how much ticket spam he's generated thus far, I'm just going to do it properly (and convert to the new format I started working on)

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iamlindoro:

Well, as properly as I am capable of making it anyway :)

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wagnerrp:

and theyre all gzipped, so you cant look at them in trak

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wagnerrp:

trac is breaking it because it has too many links?

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iamlindoro:

yeah, trac rejects anything with URLs (or beyond a certain number) as spam

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wagnerrp:

i mean it should only have one URL

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wagnerrp:

one variable referencing the base page, and then a bunch of additions to that

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iamlindoro:

He also submitted it with it throwing at least one error on any data query

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gizmobay:

when mythfilldatabase runs, does it start two processes: mythfilldatabase; sh -c mythfilldatabase

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gizmobay:

when set to run through the FE

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iamlindoro:

yes

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gbee:

huh?

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iamlindoro:

onyl one if which is actually mythfilldatabase

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wagnerrp:

so whats going on with the wiki? someone doing database cleanup? someone else on the same vhost overrunning their CPU quota?

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sphery:

gizmobay: I saw your post on the list... It looks like it really ran at 3:11 and for some reason the frontend time reported is off by exactly 1 hour (DST or time zone issue?)

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gizmobay:

I wonder why it just keeps running and running

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sphery:

have you tried running it from the command line as the same user that runs mythbackend to see if it terminates normally?

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sphery:

(the master backend--not the frontend--runs mythfilldatabase)

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gizmobay:

yes, it terminates normally

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sphery:

In that case, I still think it's related to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7135

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gizmobay:

probably should've said I set it through the FE

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sphery:

ah, I see... I was just making sure

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gizmobay:

but I don't have any defunct fe's

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gizmobay:

guess I could set a cron to kill mythfilldb at 7AM

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gizmobay:

figure if not done by then it must be hung

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gizmobay:

will killall mythfilldatabase kill both processes?

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iamlindoro:

only one of those processes is mythfilldatabase

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iamlindoro:

but the shell process would die as a result

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gizmobay:

okay thanks

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sphery:

gizmobay: yeah, it may well be that the basis of that ticket is that myth_system() (what's also used to launch mythfilldatabase) may have issues, so the one reported symptom may not be the only symptom

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iamlindoro:

ugh, the wiki is really dogging

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wagnerrp:

yeah, mention of that on #mythtv a while back

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, saw you mention it too, it's pretty bad

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wagnerrp:

at least its just slow, and not dropping connections

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** wagnerrp wonders why hes downloading 200MB for a bluetooth driver **

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mag0o:

lots of teeth?

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squidly:

mag0o: yea lots of teeth in to his system

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ivor:

wagnerrp: yup had the same thoughts when I downloaded a bluetooth driver – how the hell do you manage to fill 200Mb.....

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wagnerrp:

i mean theres only so much room you can take up with code

[17:17:44]

wagnerrp:

and you dont need/want big flashy images in your driver GUI

[17:18:43]

ivor:

never bothered to actually look to see where all the space was though. just recall swearing at its dogawful installer...

[17:18:53]

wagnerrp:

at least when printer drivers are that large, they usually come with image editing software, and a bunch of other crap

[17:19:02]

wagnerrp:

but what can you possibly provide with bluetooth?

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wagnerrp:

looks like its really only 40MB

[17:23:35]

wagnerrp:

but comes with 32 and 64-bit, for several versions of windows

[17:23:46]

wagnerrp:

that still seems mighty large

[17:25:42]

Dagmar:

The issue with bluetooth is that the drivers generally contain WAY more than just the hardware driver

[17:26:02]

Dagmar:

They usually include the entire BT stack as well as connectors for the various sub-functions like voice, printing, PIM transfer, etc

[17:26:36]

wagnerrp:

yes, because its so much easier to rewrite an entire stack, than to just provide a driver that plugs into the existing one

[17:26:49]

Dagmar:

You make this joke, but you do not see the reality of it

[17:27:01]

Dagmar:

I have 4 different dongles for BT

[17:27:09]

wagnerrp:

i can understand for the 98SE driver where there was no stack

[17:27:12]

Dagmar:

They pretty much will eff up

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wagnerrp:

or even the XP driver where it was piss poor

[17:27:42]

wagnerrp:

but vista and certainly 7 should have a fully functional stack

[17:27:45]

Dagmar:

...and whether or not they have an impulse button on them changes whether or not they do certain things.

[17:28:02]

Dagmar:

Xp is the reason these things come with a massive collection of drivers

[17:29:03]

Dagmar:

What little XP ships with doesn't work for crap

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Dagmar:

^imho

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wagnerrp:

well thats interesting... task manager just let me kill a program run by a different user without popping up that UAC stuff

[17:31:30]

wagnerrp:

i guess it tracks that i was the one who initially started it?

[17:32:26]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Or you authenticated in the last five minutes as root

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Dagmar:

There's some cases in which it'll use cached credentials like PAM can, but I'm still working out the details of udner what conditions that hapepns

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wagnerrp:

the really troubling thing is that the dongle actually works without drivers (or seems to), and picks up my headset

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wagnerrp:

but it wont use the headset

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wagnerrp:

there should be no drivers for the headset, its just suppose to connect

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wagnerrp:

and use the existing services provided by the stack

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wagnerrp:

its like the generic stack in 7 is still broken

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Dagmar:

It's probably not switching on it's own

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Dagmar:

It'll be funny if that's broken because it means either Microsoft gets that fixed by SP2 or ALSA will actually show them up

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Dagmar:

There's an ugly issue with changing the destination of an audio stream output

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Dagmar:

ALSA cant' do it at all at the moment

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Dagmar:

...but the devs appear to be aware of it and I've seen chatter about fixing it

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Dagmar:

Prolly won't happen until ALSA 2 tho

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Not only does MythVideo have watched, but I added the "added date" to videometadata a few months ago

[17:57:27]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: and a browse mode to view by it, too

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wagnerrp:

well then.... FRWEC

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wagnerrp:

feature-request-with-existing-capability

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

Only thing in his request I don't do is allow him to filter by his own arbitrary date ranges

[18:00:15]

iamlindoro:

It would be a fairly easy addition, though I am loath to parse user language and would prefer a spinbox for # of days

[18:00:23]

iamlindoro:

I'll get around to that before .23, probably

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wagnerrp:

seems the broadcom drivers do the same thing as the trendnet drivers, sit there with the same 'preparing to install...' window

[18:01:38]

wagnerrp:

i think ill let it sit there for a couple hours and see what happens

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sphery:

"Act Now to Take Advantage of MySQL's Low CY09 Prices!" — regardless of what Sun may think, it's been low-priced as long as I've used it.

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Dagmar:

I would like to know why people who are running a company think that twelve billion dollars isn't enough

[18:06:33]

Dagmar:

I think it's time to tell GM "Tough luck. You're being dissolved"

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sphery:

maybe they should act now to take advantage of MySQL's Low CY09 Prices

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sphery:

$12B is a lot, though

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Dibblah:

Why should people care if "this message was composed on a mobile phone"?

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wagnerrp:

explain why it may have been terse, or in shorthand

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iamlindoro:

and as a followup, does that somehow make it okay to ALWAYS TOP POST

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iamlindoro:

jam your pudgy fingers onto the screen and scroll down

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wagnerrp:

theyre texting on a mobile phone, they have no choice but to be an ass

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Dibblah:

mythtv-users -> SMS gateway?

[19:00:57]

Dibblah:

Now that's bordering on pathological :)

[19:01:27]

sphery:

Dibblah: and worse, why is it that the mobile phones that send out completely broken e-mails are /proud/ to say, "This was sent from my <name redacted to protect the guilty>."

[19:01:34]

wagnerrp:

on an unrelated note, the argument about video game violence is that virtual violence causes real world violence

[19:02:01]

wagnerrp:

what happens now that a kid was beaten three times in a row by his brother playing FIFA

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wagnerrp:

and decided to run around the neighborhood brandishing an axe, before breaking into the of of and chopping up an old woman

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Dibblah:

Being *bored out of their trees* is what causes violence.

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wagnerrp:

do we realize that these people are just whackjobs, and games merely happened to be the thing that triggered them?

[19:03:03]

Dibblah:

Some people need someone else to devise their entertainment.

[19:03:08]

wagnerrp:

or do we ban all games because 'oversimulation causes violence!'

[19:03:35]

Dibblah:

Again – the problem (with younger people) is understimulation.

[19:03:42]

sphery:

wagnerrp: if you don't consider Soccer a violent sport, you obviously don't care about children!

[19:03:53]

sphery:

do you know what a header does to a kid's brain?

[19:04:10]

Dibblah:

A properly executed one? Not a lot.

[19:04:20]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i played soccer for 10 years, didnt affect me much

[19:04:21]

sphery:

(I don't really believe it's violent...)

[19:04:28]

Zero-P:

How do you get a mouse to work with MythTV Setup?

[19:04:54]

Dibblah:

You need to train it to use a remote control first.

[19:04:55]

wagnerrp:

by using the keyboard

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iamlindoro:

by submitting numerous patches for mouse support

[19:05:28]

wagnerrp:

(theres actually a setting in the frontend once you get mythtv running that causes the mouse cursor to be visible)

[19:05:35]

Zero-P:

OK, so how do I get the drop-down menus to work without a mouse?

[19:05:47]

Dibblah:

Wow. We're in a time warp.

[19:05:48]

Zero-P:

I'm still on setup

[19:05:51]

sphery:

Zero-P: a) make sure you're using 0.22-fixes or trunk, b) disable the setting, "Hide Mouse Cursor in MythTV", c) use it enough to realize that you'll probably be better off finding some control mechanism that doesn't require a mouse (like a remote)

[19:05:58]

wagnerrp:

left and right arrows

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Dibblah:

Zero-P: Left / right / up / down.

[19:06:05]

Dibblah:

Each does a different thing.

[19:06:23]

Dibblah:

See the logs of this channel from this morning.

[19:06:53]

Dibblah:

stinh: try mythtv-setup -O HideMouseCursor="0"

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wagnerrp:

mythtv was designed such that you should never need (nor want for) a mouse

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Zero-P:

Left/right/up/down doesn't pull down the drop down menu.

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Dibblah:

No, it changes the values.

[19:07:24]

wagnerrp:

left and right cycle through the options

[19:07:40]

Zero-P:

OK, but I want to see the options.

[19:07:51]

Dibblah:

The suggestion that mouse cursor is active while moving was made recently.

[19:07:58]

Dibblah:

But it's not in trunk yet.

[19:08:03]

wagnerrp:

do those menus actually drop down? ive never actually tried

[19:08:05]

Dibblah:

Zero-P: Then scroll through them.

[19:08:12]

Dibblah:

If you have a mouse, yes.

[19:08:40]

sphery:

anyone have any ideas how 2 different processes on the same system could get different system times (not talking about localized time specs, but actual system time)

[19:08:49]

sphery:

i.e. mythfrontend and mythbackend

[19:08:54]

iamlindoro:

They're spinboxes, not dropdowns

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Zero-P:

Lol, if I move xchat over next to the drop-down control, I can find it blind. The mouse works. It's just hidden.

[19:09:15]

wagnerrp:

Zero-P: thats what weve been saying

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wagnerrp:

(the option that toggles cursor visibility)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: the ones in mythtv-setup drop down because they're Qt drop downs (but you have to know how to do it and it causes/makes obvious some issues with our settings code)

[19:10:25]

Dibblah:

sphery: Different TZ setting?

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sphery:

both reported Europe/Warsaw

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Dibblah:

ie run by different users / differing environment.

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Zero-P:

OK, so I need to run mythfrontend, enable the mouse, then run setup?

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Dibblah:

Zero-P:

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Dibblah:

mythtv-setup -O HideMouseCursor="0"

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Dibblah:

As above.

[19:11:12]

Dibblah:

As I said before.

[19:11:18]

Dibblah:

As justin said earlier.

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Zero-P:

Ah, Dibblah Thanks, lost it in the noise.

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Zero-P:

Ah, much better. :)

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sphery:

Dibblah: maybe a better question is, "Is there some way to change the time zone in use in an environment other than using the system time zone settings or using a TZ environment variable?"

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sphery:

Zero-P: and don't report a bug for the extra garbage in editable combo boxes--we already have one

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Dibblah:

Not that I can think of.

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Dibblah:

Unless the user doesn't have access to /etc...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ha – this is good – I just saw this in a signature in a msg I read online... "#include <disclaimer.h>" hehehehehe...

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sphery:

so I can't figure out how both frontend and backend could get Europe/Warsaw and have a different UTC offset when we just calc UTC offset by getting the number of seconds between QDateTime::currentDateTime().toUTC() and QDateTime::currentDateTime()

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sphery:

if it's different time zones, it means that the mechanism we're using to determine the time zone is broken

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sphery:

(i.e. one process was in an environment with a different time zone but we didn't detect it)

[19:24:28]

sphery:

if they were on different hosts, it could easily be different definitions of Europe/Warsaw, but they were the same host

[19:31:15]

gbee:

sphery: yeah but the time files are regularly updated for changes to things like summer time dates, so he could easily be running the same time zone on both but have one old version which has the +1 change on another day?

[19:31:34]

Dagmar:

You shoudln't have to determine the time zone from userspace

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Dagmar:

gbee: That's pretty much what would have to happen

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Dagmar:

glibc should be doing the conversions for everything that wasn't written by a madman with a taste for failure

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sphery:

gbee: on the same host?

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Dagmar:

If someone started their backend, then updated to the new glibc with more recent legistative activity on DST changes without restarting things which used it, in theory it could fail

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Dagmar:

sphery: There's a SLIM chance of a race condition in what you posted

[19:33:49]

** gbee was going to say the same **

[19:34:10]

Dagmar:

You should grab the current epoch second and explicitly pass it to both calls

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sphery:

but it persisted for the entire hour

[19:34:37]

Dagmar:

Then their system is messed up

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sphery:

I realize that calc_utc_offset() is broken, but danielk ported it to Qt4 (using the broken/Qt3 approach) before he saw my patch for it

[19:35:24]

gbee:

I'd not loose sleep over a system being non-functional for an hour at 2am in the morning twice a year

[19:35:42]

sphery:

that may be the best plan, gbee

[19:35:42]

gbee:

lose

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sphery:

Dagmar: as far as "shoudln't have to determine the time zone from userspace", patches greatly appreciated at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7418 . Please make it a series of patches as the changes are /far/ too invasive for a single patch.

[19:36:20]

gbee:

at least in the UK there isn't anything worth recording at that time in the morning on a Sunday

[19:36:21]

sphery:

:)

[19:36:54]

Dagmar:

sphery: Considering I went through this madness for a medical web app I'll look into it

[19:37:07]

sphery:

gbee: yeah, what really got me was that 2 different users saw it--and the /only/ effect was an inability to start mythfrontend during that one hour

[19:37:16]

sphery:

I can't reproduce it, though

[19:37:33]

Dagmar:

That guy's system is broken

[19:37:35]

gbee:

vampires?

[19:37:47]

sphery:

I just trashed my filesystem timestamps--I mean tested it on my dev box

[19:37:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: do both have the same code to retrieve the time?

[19:37:59]

Eviltwin:

I occasionally have an issue with scheduling in MythTV where the show appears immediately in the schedule but not in the upcoming recordings

[19:38:08]

Eviltwin:

Or if I make a change, it's not reflected in upcoming recordings

[19:38:13]

Eviltwin:

Seems to correct itself overnight

[19:38:18]

Eviltwin:

I'm trying to figure out what corrects it

[19:38:23]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, exactly the same--same calc_utc_offset() and same mechanism for determining time zone

[19:38:46]

sphery:

Eviltwin: using MythWeb?

[19:38:56]

Eviltwin:

Sometimes, yeah

[19:39:05]

sphery:

do you see the issue with mythfrontend, too?

[19:39:06]

Dagmar:

That dude's system _has_ to be broken or he's found some bug in At

[19:39:08]

Dagmar:

er Qt

[19:39:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: strange... was thinking maybe one read the hardware RTC, the other read the system RTC, I dunno...

[19:39:12]

Eviltwin:

sphery: No

[19:39:27]

Dagmar:

The only thing that reads the hardware RTC is hwclock

[19:39:45]

Dagmar:

The clock the kernel uses (and everything else) is entirely software

[19:40:12]

sphery:

Eviltwin: does it really take that long to "correct itself"? Have you tried looking 20 minutes later?

[19:40:26]

Eviltwin:

Pretty sure I did

[19:40:45]

sphery:

Eviltwin: I'm thinking your system just takes forever to reschedule, so you don't see changes in upcoming recordings for a while

[19:40:45]

Eviltwin:

I didn't see the corrected version till I refreshed the next morning

[19:40:53]

Eviltwin:

Is there a way to trigger a rescheduling?

[19:40:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: yeah, That's what I thought was/should be happening... just kinda 'brainstorming'...

[19:41:34]

Eviltwin:

I was trying to use mythbackend --resched

[19:41:39]

Eviltwin:

Didn't seem to do anything

[19:41:55]

Eviltwin:

--testsched and --printsched both showed the same, incomplete schedule

[19:42:08]

sphery:

Dagmar: yeah, the hardware clock thing was my addition--only because I have no idea how a system that stores local time in the hw clock would know which occurrence of 2:00am to 3:00am it's in if the system rebooted

[19:42:13]

sphery:

Dagmar: thoughts?

[19:42:35]

Dagmar:

That would be exactly why system clocks are kept in UTC

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Dagmar:

You can't reliably convert from one time to another accurately using local time because of DST changce

[19:42:57]

Dagmar:

s/changce/changes/;

[19:43:07]

sphery:

Eviltwin: mythbackend --resched requests a reschedule, but it can take /much/ longer to run than the "mythbackend --resched" takes to run (as "mythbackend --resched" simply sends a message to the backend)

[19:43:09]

Dagmar:

You've no idea which pass through the 2–3am hour you're on

[19:43:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... I wonder if he's one of those users that keeps his system clock in Local time – that's possible, right?

[19:43:33]

Dagmar:

Looking at some Qt docs it appears maybe things shuold be calling Qt::UTC

[19:43:37]

wagnerrp:

wouldnt matter to this case

[19:43:51]

sphery:

Dagmar: right, so if you store your local time in hw clock, then reboot after 2:00am but before 3:00am, it would be confused about whether DST is in effect?

[19:44:19]

Dagmar:

It would have no idea which end of that change it's on, exactly.

[19:44:42]

Dagmar:

but most notably, if you try adding 3600 seconds to the local time, you can't be sure you have the correct answer

[19:44:57]

sphery:

but, in theory, the kernel would pick one when it reads in the time, then return unix time to libc, which would do local time conversions as requested?

[19:45:15]

Dagmar:

Yep. This is why there's TZ

[19:45:48]

Dagmar:

Apps are supposed to get epochtime and then convert it to local time via glibc (or some wrapper to that for the given framework) before displaying it if they're _ever_ to perform any operations on that time

[19:46:35]

Dagmar:

The glibc calls look at TZ in the environment (then globally) and convert based on that when the appropriate function is called

[19:47:44]

Dagmar:

Looks like 3.3 and 4.2 versions of Qt use the same functions. That's good

[19:48:23]

Dagmar:

I'll grab the 0.22-rc and rifle through the code for an hour or two once I'm done checking out the cabling for this firewall changeover here at work

[19:49:01]

sphery:

note that converting Myth to use UTC is a /huge/ job

[19:50:19]

sphery:

it requires converting every timestamp/date/time in the DB as well as converting the protocol and all server/client code (including MythWeb) as well as adding in local time conversion for all UI display and ...

[19:50:22]

Dagmar:

Oh ho!

[19:50:23]

Dagmar:

http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2008-04/msg00223.html

[19:50:28]

Dagmar:

Who

[19:50:37]

Dagmar:

Whoa... Stuff is stored in the DB in local time?

[19:50:39]

Dagmar:

OUch

[19:51:05]

sphery:

thus one part of the reason no one wants to convert Myth to use UTC

[19:51:11]

sphery:

big job, little benefit

[19:51:40]

Dagmar:

Yep. Might be worth mentioning to the other devs to start using UTC for things whenever they can

[19:51:46]

Dagmar:

s/UTC/epoch seconds/;

[19:52:06]

Dagmar:

It's definitely easier to parse a big int than it is a datestring

[19:52:28]

Dagmar:

...in part because you don't have to give a damn about whether months comes first, or what the day of the week is called

[19:52:47]

Captain_Murdoch:

mixed would be worse. don't want to have to tell my mind to convert in some cases, not convert in others, write SQL that converts one var when doing a compare/join, etc..

[19:52:54]

Dagmar:

The thing we used to convert date strings to UTC was several hundred lines of code full of regexps and it wasn't guaranteed to work

[19:52:56]

wagnerrp:

do you actually have to parse the datestring though? or does it come out as some struct?

[19:53:10]

sphery:

"That would mean, QDateTime cannot be used for DateTimes before Epoche??" -> "QDateTime can. The timezone database it uses can't."

[19:53:21]

Captain_Murdoch:

toSTring(Qt::ISO_Date); fromSTring(Qt::ISO_Date);

[19:53:24]

wagnerrp:

at least in python, pulling a date out of mysql returns a fully parsed class object

[19:53:30]

Dagmar:

sphery: I don't think that's what's going on here since that guy isn't running his machine in 1969

[19:53:34]

sphery:

there goes my plan to take my Myth box back to 1921 on my upcoming time travel trip...

[19:53:38]

Dagmar:

...but it's got to be similar

[19:53:46]

sphery:

Dagmar: yeah.. just thought it was funny :)

[19:53:54]

Dagmar:

Negative epoch times make code go nuts sometimes

[19:54:33]

Dagmar:

We *always* made any people's birthdays that were input, or anything that looked like it was even close to 1970 go through the converter and back out again to be verified by the user for that reason

[19:55:28]

xris:

sphery: what about converting everything to just use unix timestamps?

[19:55:42]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, we get a QDateTime or a Q?String which we can pass to QDateTime::fromString() and let Qt handle parsing.

[19:55:43]

xris:

store things as ints, let the client (or mysql) convert on the way out?

[19:55:52]

Dagmar:

xris: You mean epoch time, right?

[19:56:02]

xris:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

but what will we do 27 years from now????

[19:56:18]

Dagmar:

That's pretty much what I've been saying is the only way to be sure timezone conversions won't eff up

[19:56:19]

sphery:

xris: that would be ideal--but I had other things to do for the next 10 years :)

[19:56:30]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: We ask the Cybertronic Overmind what to do.

[19:56:35]

xris:

heh

[19:56:59]

Dagmar:

That is, if the Intertubulon Mastertron hasn't already demanded we begin using Swatch beats

[19:57:19]

wagnerrp:

can mythbrowser still use an external browser? or is it all the internal one now?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: it can use external

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Rigor_M:

hi

[19:58:14]

sphery:

but only mythbrowser--won't help for things like the program details screen

[19:58:21]

Rigor_M:

the site it still down ?

[19:58:26]

Rigor_M:

is*

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wagnerrp:

the site is up

[19:58:29]

iamlindoro:

and you lose the remote navigation stuff

[19:58:35]

sphery:

so you still want to compile support for QtWebKit (which you now /have/ to do)

[19:58:47]

Rigor_M:

hum.. I cant go on it.. www.mythtv.org I mean

[19:58:47]

wagnerrp:

was just 'random page'ing through the wiki

[19:58:57]

wagnerrp:

and was wondering if i should make the 'firefox' page as outdated

[19:59:04]

wagnerrp:

s/make/mark/

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sphery:

iamlindoro: but since the World Wide Web is dead--long live the World Wide Flash--you lose remote support, anyway :)

[19:59:23]

iamlindoro:

heh

[19:59:43]

iamlindoro:

But I can just use Hulabaloo Desktop!

[20:00:23]

sphery:

yes, and restart lircd before and after each time, then restart all lirc clients after lircd restart

[20:00:27]

sphery:

???

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wagnerrp:

eh?

[20:00:55]

sphery:

the --release thing?

[20:00:57]

wagnerrp:

it kills lirc?

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sphery:

no, it requires a specific LIRC configuration that tells about button press and release events--generating them if the remote doesn't support them

[20:02:02]

sphery:

so if you have a lircrc set up for a remote without separate press and release events, you get duplicate events in other clients

[20:02:10]

sphery:

I think... or something...

[20:02:55]

Eviltwin:

So is there a way to force a scheduling/rescheduling?

[20:03:03]

Eviltwin:

Or is it something I have to wait for?

[20:03:14]

wagnerrp:

yeah, theres a flag you can pass to mythbackend

[20:03:26]

wagnerrp:

or you can alter a schedule, or you can just wait

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sphery:

Eviltwin: mythbackend --resched (which you've been doing) is the only way to request a resched

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sphery:

Eviltwin: but how long it takes is up to a) your system resources, b) your mysql configuration/performance, c) the number of recording rules you have, d) the number of channels and programs you have, e) the number of tuners (and virtual tuners) you have, f) system I/O, and g) how much processor time the involved processes get

[20:05:14]

sphery:

possibly a few others I've forgotten... the moral of the story--it might take a while

[20:05:30]

sphery:

some users have systems where reschedules take many minutes

[20:06:04]

simonckenyon:

is it possible to drive myth complete with a remote? and if so, what is the minimum number of keys that need to be mapped?

[20:06:15]

sphery:

I don't remember hearing of any where it takes more than 5, but (especially with the "who needs power--I'll just get a toy instead of a CPU" change) I could see it taking up to 10mins

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janneg:

104

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wagnerrp:

typically users with hundreds of channels, hundreds of scheduling rules, and a painfully slow system running their sql server

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simonckenyon:

tres droll

[20:07:09]

simonckenyon:

i have this really rather cute sony bd remote which is not working just ever so well

[20:07:13]

sphery:

Eviltwin: also, the type of recording rule has an impact ("this channel" rules kill the scheduler)

[20:07:18]

wagnerrp:

i mean even clever was running <2min scheduling on a very large lineup and an old P2

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simonckenyon:

s/not/now/

[20:07:21]

sphery:

kill being a relative term

[20:08:31]

wagnerrp:

simonckenyon: most mythtv users only use a remote

[20:08:35]

janneg:

sphery: I can bring the scheduler down with one recording rule and 4 tuner + 16 virtuals

[20:08:55]

** J-e-f-f-A has no idea how long a reschedule takes on his system... **

[20:09:31]

wagnerrp:

the only things you absolutely need are a 4-way and an enter/ok

[20:09:31]

simonckenyon:

but the number of keys is mind boggling. i once did a mapping of keys vs. modes and it put me off the whole process for months

[20:09:51]

wagnerrp:

you also should have buttons for both menu and info

[20:10:16]

simonckenyon:

is that just mythtv or do you include video/music in that?

[20:10:21]

Dibblah:

Menu, info, UDLR, select, exit.

[20:10:25]

Dibblah:

That's all you need.

[20:10:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

ESC ?

[20:10:40]

iamlindoro:

That's "exit"

[20:10:41]

Dibblah:

"exit"

[20:10:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

oops!

[20:11:12]

Dibblah:

Menu / info are annoying and it's possible to do *most* things without them.

[20:11:12]

simonckenyon:

i will try with that and see how far i get

[20:11:41]

Dibblah:

And there are plans to consolidate everything properly so they make sense, rather than a bit of a random split as it is currently.

[20:11:55]

simonckenyon:

oh yes please

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Dibblah:

(between info / menu)

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simonckenyon:

oh well

[20:12:58]

Dibblah:

If you don't like the menu layout, create your own theme.

[20:13:16]

Dibblah:

Or alter one of the three existing ones.

[20:13:27]

sphery:

janneg: wow... That guy who's trying to do 12 physical tuners with 96 virtual tuners (after hacking the code to increase the max virtual encoders per card setting) is gonna have issues. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/402911#402911 :)

[20:13:33]

iamlindoro:

Four now :)

[20:13:42]

Dibblah:

SIMPLIFY!!!

[20:13:45]

Dibblah:

REMOVE!!!

[20:13:52]

Dibblah:

Less settings is good! :)

[20:14:04]

simonckenyon:

it is not the menu layout that it is problem – it is all the keys: E M I O [ | ] W and god knows how many others

[20:14:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

Dibblah: do you have one of those microwaves from a convience store with just 8 buttons for different times? ;-)

[20:14:25]

Dibblah:

You don't _have_ to use _any_ of those?

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simonckenyon:

i agree with less settings – they are tons which i have no idea what they do and i've been using myth for several years now

[20:15:04]

sphery:

janneg: only reason I can see for /anyone/ to have 120 tuners is if they're trying to make some kind of company that sells TV...

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Maybe he's trying to make a system for a hotel/motel?

[20:15:45]

sphery:

(and if that's what he's doing, why does he have to be so cheap as to need to up the virtual tuner limit rather than buying a few more $50 capture cards)

[20:15:59]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: but recording 120 channels at once?

[20:16:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: 120 rooms? ;-) hehehe

[20:16:15]

sphery:

I guess if he does LiveTV for 120 rooms...

[20:16:24]

sphery:

but still, but a few more cards...

[20:16:32]

sphery:

and just do separate systems

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simonckenyon:

todays programme is brought to you by the words disk and bandwidth

[20:16:39]

sphery:

or buy a hotel TV system

[20:16:59]

sphery:

s/but a few more cards/buy a few more cards/

[20:17:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Maybe he *thinks* he can do it all cheaper...

[20:17:25]

sphery:

heh, yeah, because Free and Open Source Software means $0

[20:18:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

Hehehe...

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simonckenyon:

if anyone is interested the sony bd remote code at http://code.google.com/p/bdremote-ng/ is working well now

[20:18:22]

sphery:

simonckenyon: are those the bluetooth ones?

[20:18:26]

simonckenyon:

yes

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sphery:

what kind of range do you get?

[20:18:36]

mag0o:

maybe he works at buckingham palace or something – one tv per room perhaps

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simonckenyon:

20 euro a pop (plus the receiver for you PC)

[20:19:09]

simonckenyon:

no line of sight

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sphery:

mag0o: oh, yeah, I forgot to consider that one...

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simonckenyon:

i will check now

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sphery:

my next question will be what kind of battery life

[20:20:04]

sphery:

because, after all, it's not greentooth

[20:20:38]

sphery:

there should really be a law against making software called <whatever>-ng, though

[20:21:28]

simonckenyon:

sphery: i suppose about 30 feet. had to go out of the office and halfway down the stairs

[20:21:35]

sphery:

nice

[20:22:00]

sphery:

I have an ATI AIW and it's great--good range--but the problem is that button presses can get missed

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simonckenyon:

the old software just plain did not work – this does now – but only recently

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sphery:

(especially if I have people who are good antennas sitting next to me)

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simonckenyon:

i've been trying to get it to work for so long – just pleased to finally get it working – will have to go and buy some more (one per frontend) – consistency

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sphery:

my complaint about the -ng is not so much about forking as being more akin to calling USB 1.1 "Full Speed USB"--because all the faster versions since them are no longer "Full Speed"

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sphery:

so, which would you like, "Full speed", "Hi-Speed" or "SuperSpeed"?

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simonckenyon:

the chap who wrote the original now points to the version on code.google.com – so not really a fork

[20:24:30]

sphery:

if I knew nothing of the tech, I'd think full speed was the best...

[20:25:02]

sphery:

simonckenyon: so, any ideas on battery life?

[20:25:34]

simonckenyon:

not really – but new battaries in a couple of weeks ago – wil let you know

[20:25:59]

simonckenyon:

it does have disconnect code in there – so maybe we might be lucky

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sphery:

cool... thanks for the info

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RyeBrye:

so does bdremote work with lirc or what?

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wagnerrp:

no

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simonckenyon:

it works with lirc – it is a daemon that prods stuff into lircd

[20:27:08]

wagnerrp:

it interfaces with the frontend's socket interface

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wagnerrp:

or was that the wii remote?

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simonckenyon:

the code i'm using uses lirc

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RyeBrye:

I think it is lirc based on simonckenyon and the page I see herehttp://code.google.com/p/bdremote-ng/wiki/README

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simonckenyon:

i'm just not a big fan of the supplied lircrc and was looking for suggestions

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simonckenyon:

answers on a postcard please

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simonckenyon:

or does that translate?

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RyeBrye:

Yeah the bluray remote is definitely a sweet deal... $20 for a wireless remote = win

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wagnerrp:

unless you want to use a universal remote

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RyeBrye:

Well, yeah

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RyeBrye:

but you could still do that... with a lot of irblasters :)

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wagnerrp:

looks like the wiimote stuff hooks into the X server, to send events to mythtv that way

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wagnerrp:

i dont remember what it was that accessed the socket

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messerting:

Guys – did svn.mythtv.org just go down?

[20:45:56]

messerting:

I was just trying to pull release-0-22-fixes, but got "nothing"

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messerting:

Can anyone confirm, or is it something wrong semi-locally..

[20:46:48]

wagnerrp:

messerting: its been up and down for a couple weeks now

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wagnerrp:

but its been really bad the last day or two

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wagnerrp:

theres discussion on #mythtv currently trying to solve it

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messerting:

ok, it's not only me then, tahnks

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wagnerrp:

it was down for the better part of yesterday evening

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wagnerrp:

the mailing list was so calm... it was nice

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_ben:

Yo, got a weird issue where if i reboot and then go to watch tv i get no sound, then go back to the menu and then back to TV again sound works

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_ben:

can't really put my finger on what might be the issue?

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messerting:

_ben: pulseaudio?

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wagnerrp:

check your volume levels after boot?

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wagnerrp:

dont reboot?

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rwat:

am I right in thinking that mythmusic can't use an itunes back end yet or did I miss something?

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_ben:

messerting: I assume so – can see pulseaudio in the process list

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wagnerrp:

that is correct

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wagnerrp:

mythmusic is incapable of using anything but direct file access

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wagnerrp:

however they are some 3rd party helper programs that will provide itunes and upnp as a filesystem

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wagnerrp:

_ben: mythtv does not work properly with pulseaudio

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rwat:

I wonder why nobody has utilised the same stuff that helps rhythmbox and friends use it

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wagnerrp:

however that is one behavior that is not typical with the normal problems

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** rwat is happily using mythtv with pulseaudio **

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_ben:

it sounds fine now, just after the second time of starting tv

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_ben:

i'll go digging in the logs methinks

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wagnerrp:

rwat: mythmusic wont get updated unless someone takes the time for a rewrite (which it could stand to use), and all the devs have been busy working on other things they wanted to do

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wagnerrp:

while that stuff would be nice, mythtv is really intended to be the base of all this content, rather than pull it from some other server

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sphery:

rwat: there's no problem with pulseaudio in mythmusic--A/V sync isn't an issue there

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wagnerrp:

most people are going to be running their backend as a file server, and store their music there

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sphery:

it's just that mythmusic uses the same audio stuff that mythtv uses (where there is a problem)

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wagnerrp:

rather than stream it from some apple/windows box

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messerting:

_ben: on my laptop, that I use as an extra frontend, I run pulseaudio. There I usually start by "pulseaudio -k; pulseaudio -D; mythfrontend"

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_ben:

messerting: cheers, i'll have a play around with that

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wagnerrp:

dont get too attached to that, 0.22 will not function if it finds pulseaudio running and cannot kill it

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messerting:

_ben: but for something more reliable, I'd simply uninstall pulseaudio

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_ben:

Yeah, I have no real need for it

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** messerting just realise that I've got pulseaudio installed on my main frontend... hm **

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_ben:

messerting: altho that pulseaudio -k... stuff did the trick

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_ben:

that'll do me fine =)

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messerting:

_ben: good :)

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_ben:

Kinda brings me to the next issue I have. My combined front/backend shutsdown when not in action. If it powers itself up and the TV is not on I don't get audio via HDMI – I'm guessing there's not a lot I can do about this?

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wagnerrp:

_ben: use an nvidia card?

[21:08:21]

_ben:

Nope, this is an onboard HDMI output (intel g33 iirc)

[21:08:30]

_ben:

Asus P5E-VM HDMI

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wagnerrp:

the nvidia drivers have a mechanism grab an edid file, and subsequently force-feed it to the driver

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wagnerrp:

dont know if such capability exists for the intel ones

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messerting:

_ben: oh, the very same motherboard I have – nice ;)

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rwat:

it just seems to me that if you can be bothered to stream video from a server surely streaming audio must be possible

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_ben:

Yeah, it's not too shabby

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wagnerrp:

rwat: possible? sure... but it takes time and desire to code

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rwat:

I'm not sure what I'm missing, the functionality is already there

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wagnerrp:

what functionality?

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rwat:

what's the difference between streaming some audio-only content recorded with the mythtv backend and some music?

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iamlindoro:

myth doesn't stream music

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wagnerrp:

nothing, the backend can stream arbitrary files now, including music

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rwat:

I guess that the audio-only channels are still mpegs

[21:13:25]

wagnerrp:

however mythmusic is not programmed to receive such streams

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rwat:

whereas music could be ogg, flac etc

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messerting:

_ben: I've got my xorg.conf here, giving true 1366x768 if that would be of interest http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HTPC

[21:13:39]

wagnerrp:

not is it programmed to receive any streams, besides those straight from the file system

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messerting:

but, I gotta go, see you all

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rwat:

I'm thinking of starting from the other end

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wagnerrp:

as i explained, the code isnt there

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rwat:

wagnerrp: it seems to make more sense to me to actually start from the TV end

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rwat:

and adapt it to serve music locations

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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rwat:

instead of using mythmusic as a starting point use "Watch Recordings"

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wagnerrp:

it makes more sense to start with the backend, and have the backend server music elsewhere

[21:15:38]

wagnerrp:

which will probably end up happening with 0.23

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gbee:

but I wouldn't want to do that ... music isn't recordings ...

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wagnerrp:

but that has absolutely nothing to do with being able to receive stuff from upnp/itunes

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rwat:

well it's only a question of what you call something

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rwat:

I'm not wedded to itunes if there's another way to get music around the house

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wagnerrp:

right now, you can use upnp

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rwat:

how do I do that?

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wagnerrp:

the backend will scan for music available in the directories listed for mythmusic

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wagnerrp:

(assuming you have set up mythmusic on the system running the master backend)

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rwat:

ahh ok

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wagnerrp:

and any upnp client in the house will be able to stream music from the backend

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rwat:

but mythtv itself doesn't have a upnp frontend?

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wagnerrp:

not at current, no

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_ben:

mmm, myth site down?

[21:18:19]

wagnerrp:

for some time now

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_ben:

k, ta

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rwat:

it just seems to me that if you were to create a second "Watch Recordings" which looked at the backend for music, then the front end code is there already

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rwat:

the backend just needs to organise things so that each section is an album and each "program" is a track

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wagnerrp:

but the watch recordings screen is in no way conducive to listening to music

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rwat:

wagnerrp: what would you need to see there?

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gbee:

requirements for browsing music and recordings are pretty different IMHO

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wagnerrp:

and beyond that, music and recordings use entirely different data structures in the database and in mythtv

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rwat:

sure there's a different SQL query to return each section, but that's fairly easy to tweak

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rwat:

says he knowing nothing about mythtv's codebase :)

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wagnerrp:

even recordings and mythvideo have wildly different information stored about them

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rwat:

I don't think the database structure would need to change

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rwat:

the mythmusic database tables would be fine

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rwat:

I'm just talking about the streaming mechanism

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wagnerrp:

basically, it would not take a significant change to switch mythmusic over to storage groups

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wagnerrp:

probably a couple hours by some dev who knows what theyre doing

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rwat:

remind me which language mythtv is written in

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rwat:

c++?

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wagnerrp:

C++, with Qt libraries

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_ben:

c++ i expect mostly

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rwat:

been a while since I wrote any c++

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rwat:

mainly python these days

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wagnerrp:

the qt stuff makes it look a lot different from standard c++

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wagnerrp:

the syntax is all the same, but there are special function calls for a LOT of stuff

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rwat:

yeah I know the sort of thing, it's like writing in a whole new language

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rwat:

ok so for now I need to export a filesystem share

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rwat:

is there a preferred type to use?

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wagnerrp:

nfs

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rwat:

I suppose that works

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wagnerrp:

anyway, mythmusic is due for a big overhaul to bring it up to the new ui

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wagnerrp:

i would expect it gets SG support at the same time, probably in time for 0.23

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rwat:

so about this time next year then

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CyberKnet:

heh

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wagnerrp:

think early next year

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rwat:

well that would be very nice

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wagnerrp:

no one (devs included) are interested in another long cycle like 0.22 was

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rwat:

I think the devs shold just call the next release 1.0

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wagnerrp:

but that cycle was understandable considering what all was redone

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CyberKnet:

rewrites take time

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rwat:

0.22 is running very nicely for me ATM

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wagnerrp:

yeah, it almost was a rewrite

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rwat:

much more reliable than 0.21

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iamlindoro:

I think someone should give me a pony and a set of concubines

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wagnerrp:

looking to start your own horseback harem?

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iamlindoro:

1.0 means nothing, your children are likely to be old and grey before Myth gets a 1.0

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android6011_:

ha

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iamlindoro:

the "1.0 means it's stable" is just buying in to the "version numbers mean something" BS-- they don't.

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CyberKnet:

iamlindoro: If you get those concubines and start now, yours also will be :)

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iamlindoro:

I'm willing to dies trying

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iamlindoro:

er die

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iamlindoro:

(but what a way to go)

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rwat:

if 1.0 doesn't mean anything then why not use it?

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** J-e-f-f-A can hear it now "I sad CONCUBINES, not PORCUPINES! AHHHHhhhhhh....." ;-) **

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skd5aner:

Hi all

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rwat:

IME mythtv is very reliable

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Dagmar:

rwat: Because you don

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Dagmar:

rwat: Because you don't understand software version numbers.

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rwat:

maybe not easy to setup always, but then neither is apache

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rwat:

Dagmar: so enlighten me – what should happen before we see mythtv 1.0 ?

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skd5aner:

I'm sure this has been asked a ton today – but what's up with mythtv.org, seems very sporadic since yesterday, and either down or just flat unusable

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Dagmar:

rwat: No.

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Dagmar:

If you _really_ needed to know, you'd have Googled and learned by now.

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wagnerrp:

basically, 1.0 shouldnt happen until youve got enough machine intelligence that mythtv sets itself up on its own

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iamlindoro:

rwat: Nothing. Because 1.0 means nothing.

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rwat:

wagnerrp: nothing ever sets itself up

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iamlindoro:

and "if it means nothing then why not use it" is not a valid argument for using it

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Dagmar:

rwat: Try Ubuntu sometime

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J-e-f-f-A:

rwat: LMC did (according to their videos!!!)

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** rwat has been using ubuntu since Hoary **

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rwat:

iamlindoro: all I'm saying is that if there's no reason to use one number more than another, how would anyone get to 1.0 if they start on 0.1 ?

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sphery:

I thought SkyNet set itself up???

[21:34:41]

iamlindoro:

rwat: Myth will *always* have releases of greater and lesser reliability. Going to a whole number scheme just means trading major minor cycling for major number cycling--- and without a more compelling reason than that, there's no reason to do it at all.

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Dagmar:

The numbers only have meaning relative to each other.

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Dagmar:

This is why "1.0" by itself means not a damn thing.

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iamlindoro:

rwat: Lots of closed source companies just arbitrarily declare the first public release as 1.0-- it doesn't mean anything oto*them*, either.

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sphery:

kind of like the Signal Strength numbers reported by capture cards...

[21:36:06]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Yeah internally they're going by build "7100" and half the staff is saying "I'm faxing my resume otu if we actually release next week"

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Dagmar:

;)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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wagnerrp:

winamp had no version 4, many buildings have no floor 13

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rwat:

having a 0.x version never put me off using something, but seeing a number greater than 1 gives you at least some feeling that a lot has gone into it

[21:36:27]

iamlindoro:

Leisure Suit Larry had no #3

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wagnerrp:

i myself have never actually found a first floor in any building at my university

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wagnerrp:

lowest ive ever been to was the second floor

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J-e-f-f-A:

MQ had no version 2.3 -> 4.9 – jumped right to 5.0 ...

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sphery:

rwat: that's a perfect reason to keep it <1.0

[21:36:58]

wagnerrp:

they have a couple clean rooms down there

[21:36:59]

iamlindoro:

rwat: Well, you know a lot has gone into Myth. Now you don't need us to call it 1.0 to give you a fuzzy feeling any more! Yay!

[21:36:59]

Dagmar:

No one really gives a damn about this

[21:37:06]

sphery:

rwat: it's called, "Managing expectations."

[21:37:20]

rwat:

as a very longstanding mythtv user I think it deserves to feel bigger than a 0.22

[21:37:43]

rwat:

but hey it's only my opinion, I"m not going to shoot anyone over it :)

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iamlindoro:

Seriously, you need to bring a much better case than "it makes people feel better," or "it makes people feel more confident," because, and I hate to sound callous here-- we don't *care* how you feel

[21:38:02]

iamlindoro:

Use it, like it, hate it, don't use it, it's all the same to us

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sphery:

and, if you approach it with caution, your results will likely be much better, anyway :)

[21:38:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

"MythTV 2009?" *NOT!*

[21:38:34]

Dagmar:

"TWO POINT OH!"

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rwat:

I"m sure you secretly like it if other people love it

[21:38:44]

iamlindoro:

Glad you like it if you do, sorry you don't if you don't, but if a silly number is what you need to get the warm fuzzies, then we're fine if you use Sage, too

[21:39:06]

wagnerrp:

Dagmar: at least its not 'two dot oh'

[21:39:23]

skd5aner:

rwat: probably best to give up and drop it – some topics are just sacred in this community

[21:39:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: reminds me of when VW came out with the new Beetle, and called it "Beetle 2.0" on billboards...

[21:39:46]

rwat:

like I say it's no big deal, it just amuses me when (as has been pointed out) so much work goes into a rewrite which takes about a year, and the thing goes from 0.21 to 0.22

[21:39:47]

iamlindoro:

Well there come my commit messages from 6 hours ago...

[21:40:10]

iamlindoro:

rwat: It amuses us that people think that version numbers are a metric of distance

[21:40:27]

iamlindoro:

"How many did we come this time, guys?" "Seven. Definitely seven."

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Wicked:

hello all. on the pvr-150 i suffer from the tinny audio problem...which on the wiki page(which i gotta access through google cache) it mentions adding a line to the end of the channel changing script...but the script i use is a perl script and the wiki provides a bash snippet to fix the code. Is there a better/different channel changing script i should be using?

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skd5aner:

if you really need a number to judge "progress" – just use release/commit #s

[21:41:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

Wicked: I can point you to the one I use... give me a sec.

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skd5aner:

they're reported in --version

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Wicked:

J-e-f-f-A, ok awesome. :)

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rwat:

next time I have to release a product I will call it version 0.0.0.1 in honour of you guys

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iamlindoro:

Next time we release something we'll call it MythTV eleventy billion in honor of you

[21:43:55]

rwat:

I'll look out for that

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iamlindoro:

see that you do

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eFfeM:

hi, i just installed mythweb from the ubuntu feed but if I go to the page I get a message about installation and the password, but ch 14 of the install doc does not mention any passwd setting for the database, what is the step I should take ?

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wagnerrp:

you should be following a mythbuntu install guide

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jams:

Wicked- are you using a really old version of ivtv?

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wagnerrp:

not anything on the mythtv website

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Wicked:

jams, i dont think so. im using the one provided in ubuntu 9.10

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jams:

that was supposed to have been fixed some time ago

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu may have automatically set up a database password that uses

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wagnerrp:

or, it could be using the defaults... 'mythtv:mythtv'

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J-e-f-f-A:

Wicked: take a peek at http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/ivtv_audio_issue and ChanChangeDISH_1.sh and whichever fix_video*_audio.sh script I call from it... ;-)

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eFfeM:

wagnerrp: it came with a password but it needs to be set somewhere

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Wicked:

ok J-e-f-f-A thanks

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skd5aner:

Does Mark Kendall frequent the IRC channels much? If so, what's his handle?

[21:46:14]

wagnerrp:

mythweb comes with a custom includable httpd.conf

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wagnerrp:

you set those values there, where ever ubuntu puts its apache stuff

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eFfeM:

ah ok

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J-e-f-f-A:

Wicked: Adding the 'launch' of the fix_video... scripts fixed my audio issues 100%. All I see on the recording is a 1/4sec blip of it switching audio inputs, but 99.9% of the time, that's before anything relevant in the program anyways... ;-)

[21:48:31]

eFfeM:

wagnerp, that did it, thanks alot (again :-) )

[21:48:52]

Wicked:

J-e-f-f-A, ok cool. im gonna try to see if i can get that working for me

[21:51:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

Wicked: note that the v4l2-ctl that I had on my system initially (I think from a package install) didn't work – I had to d/l the ivtv tools and compile them myself – (FC8 system) – But try your installed v4l2-ctl first – if it works, no need to go through that trouble.

[21:51:31]

Wicked:

yea

[21:52:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

Wicked: When you switch the input to "0", the video will get a bit distorted, then back to 1, and it's clear, and the audio is perfect. I put a 2nd one in after 2 seconds for 'good measure'... ;-)

[21:52:56]

Wicked:

ah

[21:53:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

Wicked: And the reason I put it in a seperate script is that I didn't wait on the channel-change script to complete – and didn't want to extend my channel-change script by 3.75 seconds per channel change! ;-)

[21:54:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

Wicked: So Myth happily starts recording from the PVR, and about 1 sec into the recording the video is distorted for 1/4 a sec, but the audio is perfect every time now.

[21:55:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

Wicked: Before this 'fix' (workaround) – I would get 'scratchy' audio on about 30% of my recordings.

[21:55:44]

Wicked:

yea

[21:55:47]

Wicked:

awesome.

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Wicked:

i hate when i go lay down at the end of the day to watch one of my shows and the audio is all distorted

[21:56:14]

Wicked:

...i just delete it

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J-e-f-f-A:

Wicked: I was really flustrated when all the things I found didn't help, but it was just a 'bogus' version of v4l2-ctl (or outdated I should say...)

[21:56:48]

Wicked:

ah

[21:57:15]

Wicked:

well i found one work aaround from the knopmyth wiki...but even with that....some recordings would be crap audio

[21:58:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

Wicked: Well, the way I have it implemented now works 100% – I've had it in place since at least 9/15... ;-)

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Wicked:

sweet man

[22:00:23]

Wicked:

it should be all set up now. gonna go test it a few times

[22:00:29]

Wicked:

thanks again for hooking me up :)

[22:00:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

Wicked: No problemo. ;-)

[22:02:53]

Eviltwin:

Turns out my problem earlier resulted from changing the callsigns in mythconverg.channel

[22:05:54]

Eviltwin:

You'd think I'd've learned my lesson by now about modifying the DB

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Eviltwin:

But I think to myself "Nothing could possibly depend on this."

[22:06:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

Eviltwin: Umm... yeah, all 'record on this channel' rules are based on the callsign...

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Eviltwin:

Yet they also have a reference to chanid, don't they?

[22:07:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

Wicked: How's it looking? (getting ready to head home... ;-) )

[22:08:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

Eviltwin: I'm not 100% TBQH – but do know the 'record on this channel' rules are based on the callsign, so changing them 'manually' is not a good idea. ;-)

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Wicked:

J-e-f-f-A, perfect so far :)

[22:13:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

Wicked: Awesome. ;-) I'm heading home – back in ~60 mins...

[22:14:53]

Wicked:

ok thanks again :)

[22:15:21]

Wicked:

hmm i just noticed i cant seem to rewind live tv...i hit the rewind button and it kinda makes the video skip..but it doesnt actually rewind

[22:16:11]

Dibblah:

If you want sticky rewind / ffwd, you need to either use those keys or set the option in the playback settings.

[22:16:33]

Wicked:

whats sticky mean?

[22:16:46]

** sphery want to kill the sticky rewind setting **

[22:17:04]

sphery:

after all why have both a setting and specific sticky keys

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Wicked:

on 0.21-fixes hitting the left arrow button on my remote made it jump back XX seconds

[22:17:31]

Wicked:

and the right arrow just ahead xx seconds

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sphery:

hit < and > for sticky rew/ffwd

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sphery:

Wicked: or are you talking about skip forward/skip back?

[22:19:07]

Wicked:

skip

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sphery:

if skipping aren't working, you're likely using HD-PVR or other H.264 material?

[22:19:25]

Wicked:

nah. just mpg from my pvr-150

[22:19:57]

sphery:

hmmm... that should work--presuming you're getting seek table updates from the recorder

[22:20:38]

Wicked:

hmm. interesting. i closed mythfronend then reopened it and went to live tv...now it seems to be skipping

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sphery:

yeah, you'll get a seektable update that way

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** Dibblah finds it amusing that the mythperl guy went back to using Myth :) **

[22:22:21]

sphery:

let it play for another 10–20mins and try again

[22:22:28]

sphery:

Dibblah: is he back on the lists?

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Dibblah:

Looks like he never really left.

[22:24:23]

Dibblah:

Argh. No – I got the wrong user :(

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sphery:

heh, oh

[22:24:43]

sphery:

I was going to say, I don't see any new emails from http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187428#187428 guy

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** sphery just did the patch to remove StickyKeys thanks to the reminder from Dibblah **

[22:29:38]

]Oscar:

I'm still havingproblem connecting a remote frontend (diskless) to a master backend: http://pastebin.com/m368b9e43

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** Dibblah uses stickykeys and can see a use case that I can't get round. **

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Wicked:

sphery, oh hmm. ok.

[22:30:41]

Wicked:

i dont watch a awful lot of live tv...so its not a big issue...and skipping forward seems to work

[22:31:04]

Dibblah:

(Basically, jump doesn't work too well in the UK – different ad timings are common)

[22:32:04]

sphery:

Dibblah: if you have REW/FFWDSTICKY key bindings, you can just use them instead of using SEEKFFWD/REW + StickyKeys to make SEEKFFWD/REW = FFWD/REWSTICKY , right?

[22:32:33]

Dibblah:

Yes, but the bindings by default are left / right as well.

[22:32:44]

Dibblah:

Means having less of the remote to learn.

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sphery:

left/right are SEEKREW/FFWD, so just remap SEEKREW/FFWD in TV Playback and then map left/right to REW/FFWDSTICKY

[22:33:52]

sphery:

(or delete binding for SEEKREW/FFWD)

[22:34:00]

Dibblah:

How is that easier for the end-user than a tickbox? ;)

[22:34:08]

sphery:

it's not easier

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sphery:

but if we have a setting for every remapping of the keys...

[22:34:29]

sphery:

we have /way/ too many useless/redundant settings

[22:34:38]

Dibblah:

I agree with the principle, of course :)

[22:34:53]

Josh__:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1647128 – can anyone offer some suggestions as to why myth refuses to use the analog tuner first, on channels both available on the analog tuner and the STB?

[22:34:54]

sphery:

so, maybe we just need "keybinding themes" so to speak

[22:35:29]

sphery:

Josh__: do you have any channel and/or input priorities defined? if so, that's likely why

[22:35:41]

sphery:

channel and input priorities are evi;l

[22:35:47]

Josh__:

sphery, AFAIK, I have not set any channel or input priorities.

[22:35:56]

Dibblah:

Or if you have "avoid conflicts between liveTV and recordings" set.

[22:36:08]

sphery:

Josh__: and you have your digital tuner connected first?

[22:36:14]

Dibblah:

It'll use the last tuner preferentially for live.

[22:36:27]

sphery:

i.e. when you set up, you went into "Connect Inputs" and did the digital tuner, then did the analog tuner?

[22:36:36]

Josh__:

Dibblah, hmm, is there a way to check for that via SQL?

[22:36:52]

Josh__:

sphery, I set them up in the order I wished for them to be used, reference the pastebin.

[22:37:14]

Josh__:

sphery, the STB is has the highest cardinputid, however, it shows 4th on the list?

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sphery:

what list?

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[22:38:01]

Josh__:

sphery, http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1647128

[22:38:40]

sphery:

on that, HVR-1600 (Analog) is 6 and Set-Top Box is 7

[22:39:12]

Josh__:

sphery, correct. I want the Analog tuner to have priorotiy over the STB, on channels that are available on both.

[22:39:16]

sphery:

the order mysql outputs them is irrelevant without an ORDER BY

[22:39:31]

Josh__:

hmm.

[22:39:32]

sphery:

select * from cardinput order by cardinputid;

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Josh__:

I thought SQL output by the primary key?

[22:40:10]

sphery:

TTBOMK, no defined order without an ORDER BY clause

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Josh__:

sphery, TTBOMK?

[22:40:41]

Josh__:

oh, nvm

[22:40:43]

Josh__:

got it

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Josh__:

Dibblah, just checed "avoid conflicts" is unchecked.

[22:42:52]

sphery:

and you've actually tested what's being used?

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sphery:

did you test with LiveTV or recordings?

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sphery:

LiveTV without avoid conflicts uses the most-preferred local tuner first

[22:43:40]

Josh__:

sphery, I've been checking with livetv, because if livetv takes the STB, then the only channel available for recordings (without interrupting livtv) is the analog tuner.

[22:44:17]

sphery:

are all the inputs on the same host?

[22:44:23]

Josh__:

sphery, correct.

[22:45:35]

sphery:

then it should be using HD-Homerun (0) first

[22:45:48]

Josh__:

sphery, it does.

[22:45:52]

sphery:

if you want it to use Set-Top Box first, set "avoid conflicts"

[22:46:19]

Josh__:

sphery, I do not want livetv to use the set top box unless there is not a channel available on any other source.

[22:46:24]

sphery:

if you want it to use something else first (for LiveTV), reconnect inputs in a different order

[22:46:38]

Josh__:

sphery, recordings too, for that matter.

[22:46:44]

sphery:

do you want recordings to use Set-Top Box?

[22:47:01]

sphery:

ok, so you need to stick STB in the middle

[22:47:05]

Josh__:

sphery, only if the channel being recorded is not available on any other input

[22:47:25]

Josh__:

sphery, taht will put the analog tuner last?

[22:47:52]

sphery:

because with recordings you always get the best (lowest cardinputid). With LiveTV you always get the best (lowest cardinputid) local /or/ with avoid conflicts, the last (highest cardinputid)

[22:48:36]

sphery:

yeah, basically, delete card 5 and card 4, then recreate them and connect Set-Top Box first, then HVR-1600 (Analog) second

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sphery:

and then mark "avoid conflicts" and then it will use HVR-1600 (Analog) first for LiveTV and HD-Homerun (0) first for recordings

[22:49:17]

Josh__:

sphery, but then recordings will use the STB first, regardless of channel.

[22:49:41]

Josh__:

sphery, I'm trying to keep the STB free for livetv if needed.

[22:49:47]

Josh__:

but *only* if needed

[22:49:55]

sphery:

no, recordings will use HD-Homerun (0), then HD-Homerun (1), then HVR-1600 (Digital), then Set-Top Box (and, finally) HVR-1600 (Analog)

[22:50:36]

sphery:

Josh__: if you want LiveTV to prefer the STB, then you've got it set up right--except check "avoid conflicts"

[22:50:41]

Josh__:

sphery, exactly. All the channels available on HVR-1600 (analog) are also available on the Set-Top box. It'll hit the STB, find the channel, and lock that up so that none of those channels are available for livetv

[22:51:03]

Josh__:

sphery, I don't want *anything* to prefer the stb.

[22:51:24]

Josh__:

nothing should touch the STB unless the channel is not availble on any other input.

[22:51:33]

sphery:

myth doesn't do that

[22:52:15]

Josh__:

sphery, the way I've got it now *should* do that. 'avoid conflicts' unchecked.

[22:52:31]

sphery:

basically, you have access to either end of the list for "choose this one first", but you can't say, "choose this one last"

[22:53:28]

Josh__:

livetv starts on the HDHomerun. Channel is changed , and if the next channel tuned is availble on the HVR1600 (analog) but not availble on any of the digital tuners, it should hit the analog before the STB

[22:53:35]

sphery:

right, without "avoid conflicts", it will use HD-Homerun (0), then HD-Homerun (1), then HVR-1600 (Digital), then HVR-1600 (Analog), then Set-Top Box for recordings and livetv

[22:53:44]

Josh__:

sphery, but it's not.

[22:53:45]

** iamlindoro rips out two more settings **

[22:53:47]

iamlindoro:

yeeeeehhaaaaaa!

[22:53:53]

** iamlindoro ets the settings on fire **

[22:53:54]

sphery:

so what's it doing?

[22:53:55]

iamlindoro:

sets

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Josh__:

sphery, hit "LiveTV", the HDHR(0) is used.

[22:54:23]

sphery:

ok, great

[22:54:39]

Josh__:

change channel to something availble on both the analog HVR1600 and also the STB, it's using the STB

[22:55:23]

sphery:

ah, yeah, that's because when LiveTV switches channels automatically, it grabs the first thing it finds (for which order isn't guaranteed)

[22:55:44]

Josh__:

sphery, oh, ew.

[22:55:46]

sphery:

you'd need to change to the input you want and /then/ change channel

[22:55:55]

sphery:

sorry, I was missing the crux of the problem

[22:56:05]

sphery:

but thanks for re-re-re-explaining it so I'd get it

[22:56:29]

Josh__:

sphery, I guess playing with card priorities will only mux things up more?

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** Josh__ wishes he could code. **

[23:00:08]

sphery:

Josh__: definitely read http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.6 (really, all of Section 12) before doing so

[23:00:43]

sphery:

in there, you'll learn that input priorities are not "where to record" priorities, they're "what to record" priorities

[23:01:03]

sphery:

and there /is/ a difference--which can mean missing recordings that you really want

[23:01:38]

Josh__:

sphery, let me install latest -fixes update, and I'll start reading, thanks.

[23:02:32]

sphery:

]Oscar: 2009-10–28 23:22:50.146 MythContext: Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 1)

[23:02:43]

sphery:

]Oscar: can't do 127.0.0.1 with multiple hosts

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sphery:

]Oscar: which means that your (Master Backend) "IP Address" setting is set wrong, which--based on your having "a remote frontend (diskless)" may mean that you're using dhcp on that remote diskless frontend and getting a different hostname every time, so any ip address setting you set isn't getting reused

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clever:

the 'master backend ip' is a global option, not a per host one

[23:06:24]

sphery:

ah, true

[23:06:42]

clever:

in the past, ive broken that rule to trick some frontends to go over vpn

[23:06:48]

clever:

it worked, but it was painfully slow

[23:06:52]

sphery:

so, it just means that the real master backend machine ismisconfigured

[23:07:11]

clever:

yep

[23:07:29]

clever:

run mythtv-setup on the master and fix it

[23:14:58]

Josh__:

sphery, http://www.trustedreviews.com/peripherals/rev . . . d-PC-Case/p1

[23:15:14]

Josh__:

sphery, taht case is about 5 years old but still freaking awesome.

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sphery:

Josh__: so how much extra electricity/$ does running a fridge for your computer cost?

[23:18:28]

Josh__:

I'd be afraid to look at my energy bill :)

[23:18:39]

sphery:

heh

[23:20:12]

sphery:

Yeah, I'm getting all upset that I can't find an AMD 240e 45W TDP CPU available anywhere and I'll be stuck getting an AMD 240 65W TDP CPU, instead (which may or may not run at less power than the 240e)... I definitely wouldn't want to consider running another refrigerator in my house. :)

[23:20:55]

Josh__:

sphery, funny thing is that when that case came out, noone considered the implications of running your CPU at sub-arctic temperatures.

[23:21:18]

sphery:

heh, yeah

[23:21:27]

Josh__:

people started getting nervous when ice began forming around their CPU area

[23:21:46]

sphery:

it's amazing how much the focus of computing shifted in the last 5 years--from pure power to energy-efficient power

[23:22:07]

sphery:

wow... ice + electronics don't sound like a good mix

[23:23:23]

Josh__:

sphery, a core2quad can do make -j 5 or make -j 9?

[23:24:34]

sphery:

I generally use # physical cores x 2

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Rigor_M:

hi, when a do a "mythtv-setup" i see squares for fonts. could someone tell me what i'm I missing ?

[23:33:47]

sphery:

a font?

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sphery:

Rigor_M: what theme?

[23:34:10]

sphery:

and what version of Myth? (0.21-fixes or trunk/0.22-fixes)

[23:34:19]

Rigor_M:

hum.. what theme is int the mythtv-setup ?

[23:34:26]

Rigor_M:

trunk

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Dagmar:

Nothing but whatever you told Qt to be using

[23:34:41]

Rigor_M:

i'm at the first page, brand new setup

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sphery:

by default, Myth will use Terra, which uses Arial font

[23:34:54]

Dagmar:

Instal msttwebfonts maybe

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sphery:

so you need ^^^

[23:35:07]

Dagmar:

...or a distro that doesnt suck

[23:35:14]

Dagmar:

...or someone to install it who knows what they're doing.

[23:35:29]

Dagmar:

Errors were made if the font fallbacks for that dont' wory

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Rigor_M:

I don use X as muth

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sphery:

Rigor_M: and make sure you're running /current/ trunk (as you may experience theme/GUI issues with one even a week old)

[23:36:03]

Rigor_M:

yeah, its today's svn checkout

[23:36:06]

wagnerrp:

seems sometime in the last 7 hrs, the bluetooth drivers actually finished installing

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sphery:

perfect

[23:36:30]

sphery:

wagnerrp: well, it takes a while to install a 240MB bluetooth driver

[23:36:50]

wagnerrp:

it was really only 40MB for each individual version

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sphery:

Still much larger than the 8–18KiB bluetooth modules for my Linux kernel. :)

[23:44:32]

Rigor_M:

I installed the ms corefonts and it works now, thanks ! ;-)

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