| Monday, October 26th, 2009, 00:06 UTC | ||
| [00:06:23] | squish102: | is mythfilldatabase used to update my icons for the channels? |
| [00:06:36] | wagnerrp: | no, mythtv-setup is |
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| [00:07:15] | squish102: | oh, thanks, that is why i could not find it |
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| [00:41:33] | Josh: | Anyone have any ideas why mythtv is not honoring my tv tuner card preference, even though the inputs were connected in the preferred order? |
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| [00:43:30] | Guest49744: | thanks for all of your help guys, have a great evening |
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| [01:06:07] | Josh: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1643288 |
| [01:07:09] | Josh: | does sourceid have anything to do with picking input priority |
| [01:07:17] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [01:07:40] | wagnerrp: | did you actually set up your 1600 as three separate cards? |
| [01:08:09] | wagnerrp: | 4 and 5 should be on the same cardid |
| [01:09:06] | Josh: | wagnerrp, 3 and 4 are the HVR1600, 5 is the PVR150 with the STB attached. |
| [01:09:17] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [01:09:28] | Josh: | wagnerrp, cardid 5 has a different channel lineup than the hvf-1600 |
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| [01:10:16] | xris: | anyone know specifically how "number to keep" and "record new / expire old" affects the scheduler? I want a "keep no more than" not a "keep at least this many" |
| [01:10:29] | Josh: | wagnerrp, my issue is that myth is using the STB (cardid 5) before the analog portion of the HVR-1600 (cardid 4), even though I'm tuning to a channel that's available on both. |
| [01:11:08] | Josh: | wagnerrp, the analog HVR gets a bunch of channels, the STB gets all those channels + a BUNCH more. |
| [01:11:30] | Josh: | wagnerrp, I don't want to lock up the STB when viewing a channel that's also available on the analog tuner. |
| [01:11:32] | wagnerrp: | is it possible you told the scheduler to prefer HD, and your listings data says the channel is HD? |
| [01:11:54] | Josh: | wagnerrp, I havent done any distinction at all between HD and SD. |
| [01:12:06] | Josh: | wagnerrp, it's always possible, but I wouldnt know how it got set |
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| [01:12:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | xris, the number to keep is always the max (not counting the 'preserve-ed' episodes). the 'record new/expire old' allows new episodes to be recorded so that you always have the 'X' newest episodes. if that setting is off, the we stop recording when we hit X number of episodes. |
| [01:14:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | so if you always want to keep 1 episode of the daily news, then you set max to 1 and turn on the 'record new/expire old' setting. then each day it records the new and deletes the old. with that setting off, it would stop recording new episodes until you delete manually. |
| [01:14:59] | Josh: | wagnerrp, Also, it does it on every channel I've tried that's also available on the analog tuner. I doubt that *all* the channel data is marked as SD. |
| [01:15:23] | xris: | Captain_Murdoch: I ran out of disk space the other day (very odd — backend acted like there was nothing to expire — bug may be fixed now), and was suddenly worried that the "keep 5" I had all over the place was preventing it from autoexpiring things |
| [01:16:29] | Josh: | Is there a guide out for saving metadata for recordings on 0.22 yet? I dont mind hosing the DB and starting over, but I want to keep my recordings. |
| [01:16:34] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: speaking of which, did you see the discussion in #mythtv about allow autoexpire/preserve? |
| [01:16:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | nah, the max episodes expire code is separate from the regular expire. if you have a max and also have autoexpire turned on for a show, it will auto-expire that show normally if necessary. it doesn't require it to keep 'X' episodes around and prevent them from autoexpiring. |
| [01:17:03] | xris: | ok |
| [01:17:04] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, yeah, but don't recall the details off the top of my head. |
| [01:17:08] | xris: | just an unrelated bug, then. |
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| [01:17:31] | sphery: | yeah, just thought you would be the best person to explain to them why we have/need 2 |
| [01:17:37] | xris: | wish I could spend some money on a couple new drives... can't wait for baby-related expenses to be done with |
| [01:18:31] | sphery: | xris: someone else was mentioning that he had a bunch of shows that weren't autoexpiring on 0.22-fixes or trunk |
| [01:18:48] | sphery: | does your autoexpire list show episodes? |
| [01:19:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, remember the title? I'll take another look. |
| [01:21:04] | janneg: | xris: the recent apache/mediawiki update made wiki links with index.php in it invalid. it was previously required for external links to wiki pages. Can you add a rewrite rule to unbreak the links? |
| [01:21:09] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: oh, it was stuarta and gbee in #mythtv |
| [01:21:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | oh, sorry, like I said I didn't remember details. :) I'll scroll back and look. |
| [01:21:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | was thinking it was on the -users list. |
| [01:22:08] | sphery: | by my logs, around 16:20 US Eastern yesterday (Oct 24) |
| [01:22:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | remember now, they were talking about preserve. |
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| [01:38:24] | ** sphery is glad Captain_Murdoch responded to "Master backend and slave be/fe shutdown problem" on mythtv-users list ** | |
| [01:38:46] | Captain_Murdoch: | that reminds me, I said i wrote a note in my TODO, but got interrupted and didn't finish. :) |
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| [01:39:10] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: you should put, "write a note," in your TODO |
| [01:41:39] | Captain_Murdoch: | ok, made a note to write a note... |
| [01:41:52] | mchou: | that's a meta-note |
| [01:42:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | just hope the UI thread doesn't block somewhere and I forget to write the note. |
| [01:43:46] | sphery: | heh |
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| [01:51:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | I think I see some issues in the RingBuffer that might help/solve that other ticket. for remote livetv files, it looks like we set the read timeout to .12 seconds. we also return immediately if we get no data back, we should retry for at least a short amount of time. we only retry if the initial read returned 0 bytes. if we read anything at all the first time through the loop, we immediately abort if the next read doesn |
| [01:51:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | 't return any data. I should be able to try to reproduce the issue in an hour or so and can test a couple changes then. |
| [01:51:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | the 2nd issue affects local and remote files. |
| [01:52:45] | Josh: | Can someone point me to a guide for troubleshooting DVB devices |
| [01:52:56] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, did you put that SIGUSR1 patch in -fixes? I didn't see it when I updated. |
| [01:54:31] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: no, I have it in my quilt series and was holding it 'til after release |
| [01:54:42] | sphery: | trying to keep it to the "critical" bits |
| [01:55:33] | sphery: | oh, and I /really/ hope you get #7381 figured out |
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| [02:02:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | re: sigusr1, ok. re: 7381, yeah, I'm headed upstairs when this show is over to try to debug |
| [02:02:37] | sphery: | good luck |
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| [02:22:18] | Josh: | how do I purge frontend processes that have gone defunct? |
| [02:24:06] | sphery: | Josh: I think, generally, if you shut down the parent process they'll get reaped. Out of curiosity, are you running mythwelcome? |
| [02:24:38] | Josh: | sphery, I'm not running mythwelcome, I probably should be though. |
| [02:25:01] | sphery: | can you please pastebin a ps -efw |
| [02:25:12] | wagnerrp: | unless you want a combined fe/be to be able to shutdown automatically, theres no reason to run mythwelcome |
| [02:25:31] | Josh: | wagnerrp, I dont have a combined FE/BE |
| [02:26:05] | sphery: | yeah, mythwelcome is mainly to allow the backend to shut down when not needed |
| [02:26:10] | Josh: | sphery, http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1643324 |
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| [02:26:21] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, the frontend would block shutdown |
| [02:26:25] | Josh: | sphery, I've already killed the parent process and restarted |
| [02:26:25] | sphery: | I was just asking because there 's still some confusion about whether mythwelcome is causing the issue on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7135 |
| [02:26:38] | sphery: | oh, so no defuncts |
| [02:26:44] | wagnerrp: | while a frontend-only box, you can just shutdown manually |
| [02:26:50] | sphery: | oh, they are there |
| [02:27:04] | Josh: | sphery, at the bottom. |
| [02:27:20] | Josh: | sphery, I've restarted mythfrontend, so the defuncts are gone from a ps auxw |
| [02:27:27] | sphery: | so, mythfrontend is the parent of 3 other mythfrontend |
| [02:27:51] | sphery: | yeah, cool.. that's what I meant. close mythfrontend, the kernel sees the defunct processes and reaps them |
| [02:28:11] | sphery: | (only question was who was the parent process) |
| [02:29:11] | sphery: | I was trying to reproduce that one, but couldn't |
| [02:29:39] | Josh: | now this video won't play |
| [02:30:00] | sphery: | Josh: are you a vdpau user? |
| [02:30:20] | Josh: | sphery, not on this frontend. |
| [02:30:48] | Josh: | sphery, need my config.ep? |
| [02:34:16] | Josh: | hmm. Error: Couldn't find an A/V decoder for: '/shared/BBC_Planet_Earth.avi' |
| [02:35:20] | sphery: | probably don't need the config |
| [02:35:34] | sphery: | was just trying to think of new things in Myth |
| [02:35:44] | sphery: | this is 0.22-fixes or trunk, right (not 0.21-fixes) |
| [02:36:45] | sphery: | Josh: is this mythbuntu? |
| [02:37:15] | sphery: | Josh: can you do a: file /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend |
| [02:42:05] | Josh: | sphery, this is.... mythbuntu with mythtv removed |
| [02:42:21] | Josh: | sphery, 0.22-fixes |
| [02:42:41] | Josh: | sphery, /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86–64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, not stripped |
| [02:43:23] | Josh: | Has anyone else tried to watch this BBC "Planet Earth" series and get pretty constant screen jerks and flashes in video? mplayer does not exibit the same symptoms |
| [02:44:01] | sphery: | ok, and are you /positive/ you got the *buntu "autostartup and restart mythfrontend" thing removed and replaced with one of your own that you know works or at least changed around properly to work with your new install (that's not using the mythfrontend.real thing |
| [02:44:42] | Josh: | sphery, I removed mythbuntu's entry for mythtv in the startup programs menu, and replaced it with my own, yes. |
| [02:44:58] | Josh: | sphery, in fact, I don't think mythbuntu's entry pointed to /usr/local/bin even. |
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| [02:46:47] | sphery: | hmmm... well, I guess I'll have to leave it for paulh to debug--since he can at least reproduce it |
| [02:47:10] | sphery: | anyway, you might want to leave a comment on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7135 saying you're seeing the same, but not using mythwelcome |
| [02:47:13] | sphery: | thanks |
| [02:47:43] | sphery: | and, actually, a ps excerpt would be useful... |
| [02:48:20] | Josh: | sphery, I will. |
| [02:48:25] | Josh: | sphery, ps exerpt? |
| [02:48:50] | sphery: | one sec... |
| [02:50:17] | sphery: | Josh: like paste exactly what's at http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1643342 into your comment (including the braces) |
| [02:50:39] | sphery: | scrubbed to remove any incriminating evidence, but shows the parent process |
| [02:51:43] | Josh: | sphery, *grin* "Incrimating" |
| [02:52:41] | sphery: | well, might be an overstatement, but just in case you're concerned |
| [02:55:06] | Josh: | sphery, funny thing is a long time ago, I was asked to change my nick.. |
| [02:55:26] | Josh: | Not so much asked as 'required' |
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| [02:55:37] | sphery: | heh--I wondered why it was different |
| [02:55:48] | sphery: | (as I remembered that nick from here) |
| [02:56:21] | Josh: | grin – whatever it takes to benefit the community, right? |
| [02:56:33] | sphery: | exactly... social contract and all |
| [02:56:53] | Josh: | I've outgrown that nick anyway, I just continue to use it out of habit. |
| [02:59:02] | sphery: | heh, yeah--perfect way to break a habit (when you're asked to :) |
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| [03:05:15] | Josh: | oh, and not sure if this is a big deal or not, every time I exit a GUI app (mythtv-setup, mythfrontend) I get "Error in my_thread_global_end(): 2 threads didn't exit" |
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| [03:08:00] | sphery: | yeah, I've seen that a couple of times. I haven't looked into it, yet. |
| [03:08:15] | Josh__bed: | sphery, hasnt seemed to affect operation, yet. |
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| [03:17:53] | Wicked: | i also get that error Josh_Borke ....seems it does it almost everytime i close the frontend |
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| [03:33:45] | jtmoney: | is there a feature for volume normalization in 0.22? i could have sworn i enabled one, and now some of my videos sound awful during playback |
| [03:34:01] | wagnerrp: | not that i know of |
| [03:34:16] | sphery: | jtmoney: do you mean upmix? |
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| [03:35:28] | sphery: | there's Passive, Active Simple, and Active Linear. Changing that could have a big impact on audio. |
| [03:36:03] | sphery: | in trunk, there's other stuff, too, that's related to upmix and resampling that might have an impact |
| [03:36:05] | wagnerrp: | if youre upmixing the audio to channels you dont actually have, that will significantly drop the volume |
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| [04:18:40] | d3f4: | good evening folks. Can .22 do bd playback like nmt? |
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| [04:19:30] | wagnerrp: | there is no open source bd playback |
| [04:19:37] | d3f4: | K |
| [04:19:46] | d3f4: | thanks for the info |
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| [05:02:36] | _Techie_: | is anyone able to guide me through setting up the mythtv frontend to connect to a network backend properly? |
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| [05:07:12] | TM1111a: | techie – is there something specific you need help with that is not in the doc? |
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| [05:09:43] | _Techie_: | well my frontend gives me nothing but the blue menu when i start it so i thought id see if someone can guid me through it |
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| [05:13:37] | _Techie_: | i modified my /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to point to my backend with the correct password |
| [05:13:44] | _Techie_: | now i get gray menus |
| [05:13:47] | _Techie_: | no text |
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| [05:23:17] | TM1111a: | techie – are you talking about menus in the mythfrontend app? or sometihng else? |
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| [05:24:37] | _Techie_: | yes frontend |
| [05:24:55] | oobe: | are you using 21 or 22 |
| [05:25:04] | _Techie_: | no clue |
| [05:25:26] | oobe: | mythfrontend --version |
| [05:26:02] | _Techie_: | 21 |
| [05:26:24] | oobe: | try running mythfrontend -O Theme=blue |
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| [05:27:38] | _Techie_: | okay, im just gonna pull one line of output because the other 50 million are all very similar |
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| [05:28:10] | _Techie_: | http://pastebin.com/m6fd4a134 |
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| [05:29:15] | _Techie_: | then at the bottom theres this http://pastebin.com/mc037f20 |
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| [05:30:23] | oobe: | _Techie_, try this ln -s /usr/share/mythtv/themes ~/.mythtv/ |
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| [05:31:21] | _Techie_: | nothing |
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| [05:32:08] | _Techie_: | oh wait, whoops i ran the command as posted |
| [05:32:08] | oobe: | did you try mythfrontend -O Theme=blue |
| [05:32:16] | oobe: | of course |
| [05:32:24] | _Techie_: | but my mind thought ls, so i was expecting output |
| [05:32:36] | oobe: | ln -s /usr/share/mythtv/themes ~/.mythtv/ |
| [05:32:43] | oobe: | ls -l ~/.mythtv |
| [05:32:48] | oobe: | to confirm |
| [05:33:03] | oobe: | then try starting mythfrontend again |
| [05:33:45] | _Techie_: | yep the symlink is in there and points to a valid location |
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| [05:34:13] | _Techie_: | theres whole ton of badpicture otuput still |
| [05:34:37] | _Techie_: | and this, http://pastebin.com/m68870cee |
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| [05:34:50] | _Techie_: | i gotta go have tea, ill be back after |
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| [05:38:59] | marcmerlin: | howdy. The mythtv 0.21 release docs say that there is a way to undelete a freshly deleted program |
| [05:39:05] | marcmerlin: | I haven't found where |
| [05:39:13] | [R]: | where does it saay that? |
| [05:39:32] | wagnerrp: | depends on how you 'delete' something |
| [05:39:40] | wagnerrp: | by default, delete means delete, the file is gone |
| [05:39:55] | marcmerlin: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.21 "Add ability to "undelete" a recording." |
| [05:39:56] | wagnerrp: | however you can put mythtv into a mode where delete means expire |
| [05:40:02] | marcmerlin: | ah, I see |
| [05:40:04] | wagnerrp: | and it simply gets put at the top of the auto-expire list |
| [05:40:08] | marcmerlin: | I need to fix that first then :) |
| [05:40:13] | marcmerlin: | where's the setting? |
| [05:40:21] | wagnerrp: | dont know, never used it |
| [05:40:30] | wagnerrp: | i saw it as the recycle bin |
| [05:40:34] | wagnerrp: | protecting me from myself |
| [05:41:01] | marcmerlin: | Yeah, well, there is the problem that I tend to forget about my wife sometimes when I delete stuff I just watched :) |
| [05:41:19] | wagnerrp: | so never delete anything |
| [05:41:33] | wagnerrp: | get a bigger hard drive, and set your show limits low enough that they autoexpire on their own |
| [05:42:36] | marcmerlin: | maybe I should just do that |
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| [05:42:58] | marcmerlin: | thx :) |
| [05:43:21] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's what Recording Groups are for. yours, your wife's, and a common/Default one. never delete anything that's not in yours. :) |
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| [05:44:15] | marcmerlin: | I need to switch all that. I set it all up when I was single ages ago :) |
| [05:44:19] | wagnerrp: | and there i go... accidentally deleting some album art while pruning my directories |
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| [06:10:14] | _Techie_: | oobe, you still around? |
| [06:10:26] | oobe: | nope i left |
| [06:10:31] | _Techie_: | bugger |
| [06:11:11] | _Techie_: | okay we have the temes symlinked, but its still throwing errors |
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| [06:17:14] | oobe: | yeah it was a wild guess |
| [06:17:28] | oobe: | have you tested your sql connection |
| [06:17:28] | _Techie_: | well it fixed one section |
| [06:17:49] | oobe: | what distro are you using |
| [06:18:04] | _Techie_: | ubuntu for frontend, mythbuntu for backend |
| [06:18:26] | oobe: | pastebin all your frontend log |
| [06:18:34] | oobe: | not just snippets |
| [06:18:43] | _Techie_: | sql checks out okay using the test from the mythbuntu live frontend but i get no text on the menu entries |
| [06:19:35] | _Techie_: | Starting mythfrontend.real.. |
| [06:19:39] | _Techie_: | thats the entire log |
| [06:20:28] | _Techie_: | i was pasting the console output before |
| [06:21:38] | _Techie_: | man this is annoying |
| [06:21:41] | oobe: | what graphics card is on the frontend |
| [06:21:50] | _Techie_: | ATI radeon 9600XT |
| [06:22:10] | oobe: | are you using ati drivers |
| [06:22:20] | oobe: | i think your issue maybe ati related |
| [06:22:23] | _Techie_: | yes, opensource not proprietry |
| [06:22:56] | _Techie_: | and i dont really want to touch the fglrx drivers |
| [06:23:33] | oobe: | try this before starting the frontend "export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=true" |
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| [06:25:38] | _Techie_: | http://pastebin.com/m1733fed2 theres the entire buffer of my terminal |
| [06:26:00] | _Techie_: | theres quite a bit before that but its outputting so fast that its overflowing |
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| [06:27:51] | oobe: | mythfrontend -l /tmp/loggy.log |
| [06:28:04] | _Techie_: | loving the name |
| [06:28:05] | oobe: | for future reference |
| [06:28:52] | oobe: | i see what has happened |
| [06:28:56] | _Techie_: | and so you get all the output ill change that to mythfrontend -l /tmp/loggy.log >> /tmp/loggy.log |
| [06:29:04] | oobe: | you have upgraded to .22 |
| [06:29:10] | _Techie_: | really? |
| [06:29:17] | oobe: | i think so |
| [06:29:30] | oobe: | and your using .21 themes |
| [06:29:39] | oobe: | mythfrontend --version |
| [06:29:51] | oobe: | and on the backend mythbackend --version |
| [06:30:34] | _Techie_: | they both match |
| [06:30:50] | oobe: | what do they say |
| [06:31:17] | oobe: | e.g |
| [06:31:17] | oobe: | MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-22-fixes |
| [06:31:18] | oobe: | Network Protocol : 50 |
| [06:31:18] | oobe: | Library API : 0.22.20091023–1 |
| [06:32:21] | _Techie_: | http://pastebin.com/m482f9784 |
| [06:33:21] | oobe: | ok then it has to be an x configuration problem |
| [06:33:55] | oobe: | i would try using the ati drivers and reading up on getting ati to work with myth |
| [06:34:23] | _Techie_: | ati as in "ati" or ati as in "fglrx" |
| [06:38:37] | oobe: | i would try them both |
| [06:38:53] | oobe: | i cant tell you cause i been using nvidia for years |
| [06:39:01] | oobe: | since its well supported |
| [06:39:56] | _Techie_: | lucky you, i dont have ANY Nvidia cards |
| [06:41:48] | _Techie_: | brb gonna log out and in to see if i have fglrx installed |
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| [06:41:57] | oobe: | ok |
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| [06:51:41] | _Techie_: | i dont have fglrx installed nor do i want to have to install it |
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| [08:08:34] | wagnerrp: | http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=110-439 |
| [08:09:11] | wagnerrp: | thats right up there with $500 ethernet cables |
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| [08:14:16] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [08:14:22] | Dagmar: | Gold plated mounting bits |
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| [08:30:13] | _Techie_: | isnt that just a high quality wall socket? |
| [08:30:40] | Dagmar: | Probably. |
| [08:30:41] | _Techie_: | if so then why not go the whole 10 yards and replace all the cabling from the power station to your house with gold cables |
| [08:31:00] | Dagmar: | That it's brass doesn't really say whether or not it was made from recycled sleigh bells |
| [08:31:19] | _Techie_: | if it was, santas gonna be pissed |
| [08:31:30] | Dagmar: | You could get datacenter outlets for cheaper |
| [08:33:20] | _Techie_: | seriously why buy parts like that, just use consumer components |
| [08:36:26] | _Techie_: | i love the Divorced My Wife Over the Wattgate 381 review |
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| [08:56:39] | clever: | _Techie_: the cables dont have to be solid gold the whole way to the plant, just the terminals and connections between each cable |
| [08:57:12] | justinh: | wonder if there are any physicists who are also hifi nuts |
| [08:57:23] | clever: | they use gold not because it conducts well, but because its soft, and will make better contact |
| [08:58:05] | justinh: | yes because that 0.001 Ohms makes all the difference |
| [08:58:33] | clever: | depends on what your doing |
| [08:58:36] | justinh: | fools. money. parted. easily. case rested, m'lud |
| [08:58:39] | clever: | with a 120v socket, its probly useless |
| [08:58:57] | clever: | with low voltage analog signals, it may actualy help |
| [08:59:04] | clever: | but everything is going digital now:P |
| [08:59:20] | justinh: | it won't actually help on a level human beings can hear |
| [08:59:33] | justinh: | but if idiots want to believe it, leave them to it |
| [08:59:58] | justinh: | personally I think I'm just envious *I* didn't come up with any of these ways to scam fools out of their money |
| [09:00:22] | Dagmar: | Awesome |
| [09:00:25] | Dagmar: | LVM wins |
| [09:00:30] | Dagmar: | It's beaten me tonight |
| [09:01:03] | Dagmar: | Keeps showing bloody 100% use in the df output, with plenty of space free, and lets me read and write to it fine |
| [09:01:43] | _Techie_: | clever, i understand that connection points are where most losses occur, but when you think about it you can get the same if not better quality connection without paying a cent extra |
| [09:02:17] | justinh: | an electronics mag I used to read came out with some brilliant proofs of things in everybody's home which can defeat the purpose of all the magic gear. Things like flies stamping their feet, the sound of dead skin landing on things.. it's basically *all* money for old rope |
| [09:02:41] | clever: | _Techie_: soldering would probly make a better and cheaper connection, but its not as plug&play as gold platted connectors |
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| [09:03:25] | _Techie_: | clever, yeah, hard wiring would be much better, but if you have a power hifi, why in hell would you move it? |
| [09:03:51] | Floppe: | yikes, very big chan icons in mythweb when I upgraded from 0.21 to 0.22 fixes. |
| [09:03:54] | clever: | good point |
| [09:04:37] | justinh: | if you had *proper* hifi the house would be built around it. Certainly at least the listening room. Jees |
| [09:05:05] | justinh: | Anybody who doesn't design & build at least the listening room from scratch is a mere pretender! |
| [09:05:10] | _Techie_: | justinh, if you had proper hifi you would be able to afford a house with the left over money |
| [09:05:22] | justinh: | *what* left-over money? :P |
| [09:05:57] | justinh: | true hifi buffs don't have leftover money. the more you spend, the better it sounds! |
| [09:06:36] | _Techie_: | yeah, but the one huge thing about hifi is that its only as good as the signal you use it with |
| [09:06:50] | _Techie_: | shit in = shit out |
| [09:06:53] | justinh: | it's *all* a load of bollocks |
| [09:07:50] | _Techie_: | yeah, i gota home made 2.1 speaker system connected to my pc made from stuff ive collected and it is able to outdo our 7.1 surround sound amp |
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| [09:09:17] | Criggie: | hey all – I'm having problems making nuvexport work |
| [09:09:34] | Criggie: | it all boils down to ffmpeg whinging |
| [09:09:34] | Criggie: | Use of uninitialized value in numeric gt (>) at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/export/ffmpeg.pm line 378. |
| [09:10:12] | Criggie: | line 378 looks perfectly reasonable... so what should I do now ? |
| [09:10:19] | justinh: | there are actually reviews comparing digital cables ffs. one metre of a conductor, as long as it actually conducts reliably is not going to make a discernable difference. Nor is isolating the power supply, or putting fancy feet on the PSU or the amp. Nor will improving the frequency response of the speaker wires with OFC cable. The skin effect doesn't come into its own until you're way out of the audio range, yada yada. |
| [09:11:03] | Criggie: | justinh: yeah – that kind of thing is only an issue with radio frequencies (ie, the cable from your sat dish or your aerial/antenna) |
| [09:11:27] | justinh: | the HDMI cable reviews are very funny. Talking about extra detail, better colours/black/white .. |
| [09:11:32] | Criggie: | justinh: unless their speakers are working at speeds in the gigahertz :) |
| [09:12:03] | justinh: | then there's the actual dynamic range limitation of human hearing to consider |
| [09:12:17] | Criggie: | what? you can't whistle to a DSL signal ? |
| [09:12:22] | _Techie_: | justinh, actually isolating the PSU can make a difference depending on the system, i had to isolate mine because i was inducing a voltage in my input wires from my subs amp |
| [09:12:25] | Criggie: | you poor limted mere human being |
| [09:12:25] | justinh: | Criggie: AFAIK nuvexport is pretty reliant on having the right version of ffmpeg |
| [09:12:27] | Criggie: | :-P |
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| [09:13:24] | Criggie: | justinh: yeah – and transcode and friends |
| [09:14:27] | justinh: | _Techie_: you mean you didn't decouple the audio signals properly? Whoops |
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| [09:15:44] | _Techie_: | no justinh i didnt shield my PSU properly |
| [09:16:14] | Criggie: | techie: just get rid of it... nasty thing making all sorts of EM radiuation |
| [09:16:19] | justinh: | anyway.. before this degenerates into #electronics |
| [09:16:30] | Criggie: | its an optional part anyway |
| [09:17:01] | _Techie_: | sure, ill just run a 12v AMP on 230v RMS AC |
| [09:17:07] | Criggie: | mmmm google translate... "you recompile the debian sauce. " |
| [09:17:17] | Criggie: | _Techie_: RMS could do it |
| [09:17:20] | Criggie: | he's awesome |
| [09:17:31] | Criggie: | I met him a couple weeks back |
| [09:18:39] | justinh: | did you wear a gasmask? |
| [09:18:54] | Criggie: | heh no |
| [09:21:12] | justinh: | I saw him at LRL a while back in the UK, all pied piper like with a trail of people kissing the ground he'd walked on. Maybe it was the fans who were smelly, I was never sure |
| [09:24:38] | Criggie: | eheheh |
| [09:24:44] | Criggie: | his voice is damned annoying |
| [09:24:47] | justinh: | s/fans/worshippers |
| [09:25:06] | justinh: | I didn't go to any of his talks. I was busy |
| [09:25:08] | Criggie: | (actually I'm just avoiding the danger of #electronics) :) |
| [09:25:31] | justinh: | do any of the big names still *do* any coding? |
| [09:25:50] | justinh: | or do they just rant & pick apart other people's attempts to make things better? |
| [09:26:31] | Criggie: | I dunno – does gates to any coding? |
| [09:27:03] | Criggie: | though – who cares |
| [09:28:24] | justinh: | heh |
| [09:28:59] | justinh: | project leaders who only contribute by criticising submitted patches is bad for OSS karma IMHO |
| [09:29:41] | Dibblah: | I'm sure there have been some recentish commits here by the illustrious leader... |
| [09:29:59] | justinh: | great – you fixed it! Oh, but your code is totally retarded. I'm not committing this because it's all wrong. And now you won't listen to me because I've got your back up & the project loses |
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| [09:30:24] | Dibblah: | ... And now someone who actually did that has commit access. |
| [09:31:16] | Dibblah: | What's wrong with ##electronics? ;) |
| [09:31:32] | Dibblah: | We're not all scary. |
| [09:31:56] | justinh: | just saying there's already one #electronics, no need to turn this channel into another ;-) |
| [09:32:35] | ** Criggie is hating on nuvexport ** | |
| [09:32:55] | Criggie: | is there some other less psycho app to do a nuv to xvid export? |
| [09:33:19] | Criggie: | hah NUV2XVID |
| [09:33:35] | Dibblah: | Do you actually have nuvs? |
| [09:34:09] | Criggie: | 1008_20090821145600.nuv: MythTV NuppelVideo v0.07 (640x480),progressive,aspect:1.33,fps:25.00 |
| [09:34:12] | Criggie: | sure looks like it |
| [09:34:32] | Dibblah: | Oh, you're a funky analogue guy. |
| [09:34:43] | Criggie: | yeah – we're backwards out here in the sticks |
| [09:34:57] | Criggie: | is there something better if I didn't have analogue ? |
| [09:35:32] | Dibblah: | Apparently, I'm too far out in the sticks for ebuyer to deliver in <3 days. They won't do supersaver, saturday, etc. |
| [09:35:46] | Dibblah: | So... They lost me as a customer – Yay! |
| [09:35:49] | justinh: | somebody was thinking about adding extra codec support for lamegrabber users a while ago |
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| [09:37:21] | justinh: | still never ceases to amaze me why anybody wants to export stuff to xvid. it sucks |
| [09:37:25] | Dibblah: | I would completely understand if I was further north. But everyone delivers to Dundee. |
| [09:37:40] | justinh: | Dibblah: ah but do CityLink? |
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| [09:37:50] | Dibblah: | They don't use CL any more. |
| [09:37:56] | Dibblah: | ... Which is the issue. |
| [09:38:09] | Dibblah: | They moved to Royal Mail / UPS |
| [09:38:21] | justinh: | thought they did. a friend of mine bought a laptop from them & they said it'd come via citylink |
| [09:38:31] | justinh: | this was only last week |
| [09:39:22] | Dibblah: | For most deliveries, they've switched. |
| [09:39:39] | Dibblah: | However, a number of their products don't come from the core warehouse. |
| [09:39:51] | Dibblah: | And they can use any courier (it's dropshipping) |
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| [09:57:42] | justinh: | you still can't beat going into a shop & actually buying things :) |
| [09:58:03] | justinh: | if you can find a shop that has what you want |
| [09:58:13] | Dibblah: | Sure. Apart from on price and convenience. |
| [09:58:28] | Dibblah: | ie the likelyhood that one shop has all you need is somewhat small. |
| [09:58:36] | Dibblah: | (excepting Tesco) |
| [09:58:54] | justinh: | depends. I have a lot of choice around here. big computer parts sheds |
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| [09:59:54] | Dibblah: | So do I – Buy it online or go to PCHurled. |
| [10:01:02] | justinh: | til Linux came into my life it used to be as simple as 'go buy computer stuff' :) |
| [10:01:33] | Dibblah: | Interestingly, I just found these Edimax wireless-n adapters which are linux-supported. |
| [10:02:00] | Dibblah: | At £8.65 each... |
| [10:02:11] | Dibblah: | Edimax EW-7711UMN WiFi nLite 150Mbps Wireles USB Adapter |
| [10:02:28] | Dibblah: | Of course, they're single-antenna, but still. |
| [10:03:17] | Dibblah: | Oh, and the GF220 is _really_ nice. |
| [10:03:52] | Dibblah: | No change in suspend power, only 10w increment over i945 (GM950) graphics,... |
| [10:04:12] | Dibblah: | And supports all of the funky deinterlacers. |
| [10:04:31] | Dibblah: | @ £52 or so. |
| [10:04:48] | justinh: | nice |
| [10:05:16] | justinh: | not that I could put one in my current frontend. I don't have a PCIe riser :-\ |
| [10:05:51] | Dibblah: | Finally got Karmic netbooting, too. |
| [10:05:54] | justinh: | could save boatloads of cash by making a new box & stashing it away |
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| [10:07:15] | ** Dibblah likes his minimal visibility frontend. ** | |
| [10:07:41] | justinh: | it's not like we ever need to play old fashioned optical discs anyway |
| [10:07:47] | Dibblah: | Oooh. It also does zaphod mode multihead!!! |
| [10:07:53] | justinh: | well, maybe once in a blue moon |
| [10:08:08] | Dibblah: | So I can finally try multihead myth for the kitchen touchscreen. |
| [10:08:45] | Dibblah: | justinh: I have a USB laptop sized DVD drive for that. |
| [10:09:13] | justinh: | eew |
| [10:09:39] | Dibblah: | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USB-DVD-BURNER-WRITER-C . . . em35a3b02b08 |
| [10:09:42] | Dibblah: | Eww? |
| [10:09:46] | justinh: | though technically I still need one to update the BIOS on that Aopen motherboard |
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| [10:10:04] | Dibblah: | Update the BIOS? |
| [10:10:21] | Dibblah: | The last release was a number of years ago now. |
| [10:10:26] | Dibblah: | 1.05? 1.06? |
| [10:10:38] | justinh: | yeah it's still got the silly RML graphic etc |
| [10:11:12] | Dibblah: | I assume you don't do netbooting? |
| [10:11:22] | Dibblah: | If you do, just set up a DOS bootdisk image. |
| [10:11:23] | justinh: | yup I do |
| [10:11:34] | Dibblah: | Let me get the stanza. |
| [10:12:11] | justinh: | it netboots, when the NIC is operational after stupid *untu shuts it down |
| [10:12:23] | Dibblah: | http://pastebin.com/mfdc3848 |
| [10:12:50] | Dibblah: | 1.05 is the latest. |
| [10:13:20] | justinh: | dunno even if I *should* update the BIOS |
| [10:13:29] | Dibblah: | Nah, probably not. |
| [10:13:37] | justinh: | remember you recommending it for some reason or other |
| [10:13:38] | Dibblah: | Unless you're having suspend issues. |
| [10:13:58] | justinh: | I'm getting really tired of the boot time now |
| [10:14:10] | Dibblah: | You're netbooting what? |
| [10:14:15] | justinh: | and how sometimes lirc isn't running at boot |
| [10:14:35] | justinh: | ermm that aopen thing. ubuntu something or other |
| [10:14:41] | Dibblah: | ... Why are you concerned over actual boot time? |
| [10:14:49] | Dibblah: | STR works great on these boards. |
| [10:15:07] | justinh: | the i945GMm ? |
| [10:15:11] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
| [10:15:24] | justinh: | can't remember if I've ever tried it |
| [10:15:38] | Dibblah: | All you need to do is make sure that you have some way to wake it up ;) |
| [10:15:50] | Dibblah: | Power button or a supported USB device. |
| [10:16:01] | justinh: | power button would be fine |
| [10:16:02] | Dibblah: | (MCEUSB2 works well) |
| [10:16:30] | mzb_: | Dibblah, what's zaphod mode? |
| [10:16:30] | Dibblah: | In which case, don't shut down, just use echo mem >/sys/power/state |
| [10:16:40] | Dibblah: | Multiple screens. |
| [10:16:43] | justinh: | that easy? jees |
| [10:16:47] | Dibblah: | Rather than mergedfb. |
| [10:17:04] | Dibblah: | justinh: Yes. Even when netbooted. |
| [10:17:08] | mzb_: | how is that different to any other method? |
| [10:17:24] | mzb_: | single screen, multiple outputs? |
| [10:17:36] | justinh: | I'll give it a go tomorrow. won't get a look in tonight |
| [10:17:49] | Dibblah: | justinh: It takes 4 seconds to start up – That's including the screen waking up. |
| [10:18:06] | Dibblah: | No – truely independent screens. |
| [10:18:15] | justinh: | I mean the whole boot time is still way less than the cable STB but ffs it's doing pointless things during boot |
| [10:18:32] | mzb_: | err .. independent "screens" on a single output? |
| [10:18:35] | justinh: | ubuntu should cater for the least esoteric stuff by default |
| [10:18:44] | mzb_: | (like running 2 X servers?) |
| [10:18:52] | justinh: | wacom pads & junk.. ffs! |
| [10:19:00] | Dibblah: | I believe it's :0.0 / :0.1 |
| [10:19:09] | mzb_: | ok |
| [10:19:10] | Dibblah: | Not tried it successfully yet. |
| [10:19:21] | mzb_: | I don't really see the point |
| [10:19:33] | mzb_: | (yet;) |
| [10:19:37] | Dibblah: | I have one screen in the kitchen, one in the living room. |
| [10:19:47] | Dibblah: | And one lowish power FE |
| [10:20:16] | justinh: | so how much power does a nvidia card eat when viddypowing? |
| [10:20:57] | Dibblah: | That's a good question, which I should have checked :) |
| [10:21:11] | mzb_: | err.. so two "screens" going to two monitors? ... I'm getting lost. |
| [10:21:19] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
| [10:21:23] | justinh: | mind you that's a pointless question – my FE can't play BBC HD anymore |
| [10:21:40] | justinh: | and it only ever *just* was able to play it before |
| [10:21:49] | mzb_: | is this ATI|Intel specific? ... is there an equivalent for nv? |
| [10:21:52] | Dibblah: | justinh: 45w from the wall. |
| [10:21:59] | Dibblah: | mzb_: This is only NV. |
| [10:22:15] | justinh: | well, that's less than a C2D 2Ghz chip maxed out :) |
| [10:22:16] | mzb_: | I'm still not sure how this differs from running two separate X servers |
| [10:22:16] | Dibblah: | ATI doesn't do anything apart from mergedFB. |
| [10:22:23] | mzb_: | k |
| [10:22:31] | Dibblah: | Oh, it's down to 38w... |
| [10:22:45] | justinh: | fanless? |
| [10:22:46] | Dibblah: | (after playing for a few secs) |
| [10:23:03] | Dibblah: | No, but fanspeed is controllable by the nvidia kernel module. |
| [10:23:36] | justinh: | hmmm? Heh about bloody time graphics cards didn't go helter skelter all the time |
| [10:24:02] | justinh: | they prolly had speed control for ages, just shows how long it is since I bought a 'modern' card |
| [10:24:35] | justinh: | last card I bought was a 5200MX & it was £25 |
| [10:24:58] | Dibblah: | 44.4w playing BBC HD recording with no seektable. |
| [10:25:04] | Dibblah: | Oh, no. |
| [10:25:12] | Dibblah: | It dropped to 38.5 as well. |
| [10:25:58] | Dibblah: | (That's the h264 version from satellite some time ago) |
| [10:26:23] | Dibblah: | The mpeg2 version of HD also plays at 38.5w after ~15 seconds. |
| [10:26:41] | mzb_: | sounds nice & low :) |
| [10:27:15] | justinh: | need a more efficient PSU for my FE too |
| [10:27:28] | justinh: | the one which came with the LC02 case is shite |
| [10:27:41] | Dibblah: | Ah, damn. Wrong recording – One sec :) |
| [10:28:53] | mzb_: | I've got a power meter, but I really don't want to know what my MBE+FE costs ... fear prevents me ;) |
| [10:29:09] | justinh: | damn, those boards from spiredream are shipping with 2GB ram these days for £50 |
| [10:29:20] | mzb_: | ... or should I say, I don't think SHE would want to know ... so I don't either ;) |
| [10:29:35] | justinh: | bugger, and they even come with the heatsink |
| [10:30:17] | mzb_: | s939 w/ X2 4400+, 3 PCI tuners, 1 USB tuner, 3x IDE hdd, 4x SATA hdd ... I can only imagine |
| [10:30:33] | Dibblah: | Okay – With true BBC HD, the power consumption stays at 45w. |
| [10:30:44] | mzb_: | still sounds low |
| [10:31:09] | justinh: | current BBC HD you mean? |
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| [10:31:59] | Dibblah: | 4400 – ~70w, assuming the tuners are not dvb-s 7w total, 7*8w for the HDs. |
| [10:32:20] | Dibblah: | So probably 140w. |
| [10:32:50] | Dibblah: | It's not current – It's an old recording. I don't have a dvb-s card connected any more. |
| [10:33:06] | Dibblah: | Which in the UK is approx £140 / year. |
| [10:34:33] | justinh: | hmm not getting enough views on my youtube vid |
| [10:35:54] | Dibblah: | Interesting. Power consumption is the same on an mpeg2 or h.264 version of BBC HD. |
| [10:36:28] | justinh: | OMG. CassetteBoy complimented it. I'm flattered |
| [10:38:00] | Dibblah: | Bah. You think you can get away with that? |
| [10:38:03] | Dibblah: | Linky? |
| [10:39:21] | sid3windr: | ARE WE THERE YET |
| [10:40:02] | justinh: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb0panCwX8 |
| [10:40:30] | justinh: | a total waste of 3 hours' work on Saturday :) |
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| [10:41:16] | justinh: | oh I should add NSFW before it's too late |
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| [10:41:43] | justinh: | more to the point N F S F W |
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| [10:52:48] | justinh: | Estetic. lol |
| [10:58:40] | sid3windr: | ass-thetic. |
| [11:03:52] | justinh: | ahh I can show the guys at work the video, getting round the youtube filtering :) |
| [11:04:09] | justinh: | download the mp4 to the linux machine, ssh file xfer |
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| [11:23:32] | justinh: | Heh. "If you love the Muslims so much, please feel free to leave the country at your earliest convenience.". Thanks for that comment, liveleak user |
| [11:25:29] | Dibblah: | I think we should export all fundies to another country. Preferably one with no internet connection and really high walls. |
| [11:26:09] | Dibblah: | NorKo would do. |
| [11:26:42] | Dibblah: | (that includes all of the BNP people) |
| [11:27:01] | justinh: | talk about thread hijacking http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3d8_1256461063&c=1#comments Last time I ever post anything to that site |
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| [11:32:51] | justinh: | just had the idea of finding all Griffin's contradictions & cutting them together. He denies saying X, insert clip of him saying X, etc. Like the Daily Show does |
| [11:33:07] | justinh: | mind, if we did that for every politician... |
| [11:33:48] | ** Dibblah wants to see the welcome their first ethnic member gets :) ** | |
| [11:36:38] | justinh: | I want my vid to become more watched than my original Crazy Frog in a microwave vid |
| [11:37:44] | justinh: | although criticising the BNP so publically might have its drawbacks |
| [11:38:10] | Dibblah: | Esp. where you are. |
| [11:38:17] | Dibblah: | They're raving loonies. |
| [11:38:54] | justinh: | thank God I did this after Google had got rid of its cached docs containing my home address eh |
| [11:40:21] | justinh: | here's hoping I don't ever meet a fire started by people in white pointy hats |
| [11:41:33] | Dibblah: | Even that's not safe, if you're using your real name. |
| [11:42:22] | Dibblah: | Electoral register, etc. |
| [11:42:33] | justinh: | well, thanks to a certain Jono Bacon my psuedonym didn't remain so. Bastard, forgot about that |
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| [11:43:28] | sid3windr: | sounds like linux format |
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| [11:45:16] | justinh: | ah well, what will be will be :) |
| [11:46:30] | justinh: | sure there are plenty of other people in the queue for goons to hit before me anyway :D |
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| [11:59:03] | mzb_: | ot |
| [11:59:47] | justinh: | it's mythtv related. I recorded the original video with mythtv P |
| [12:00:13] | mzb_: | wanna see the pornos I've done with mythtv then? |
| [12:00:32] | justinh: | ffs |
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| [12:01:12] | ** mzb_ would like to add that he doesn't have any pornos ** | |
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| [12:08:33] | justinh: | anyway if you're gonna pull everybody who goes OT in here good luck |
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| [12:08:48] | justinh: | bugger who waffle on about RAID & crap for hours on end do my head in |
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| [12:11:15] | mzb: | hardware issues _are_ related to the use & performance of mythtv |
| [12:11:25] | justinh: | yawn |
| [12:11:42] | jduggan_: | ya |
| [12:11:45] | jduggan_: | same |
| [12:11:48] | jduggan_: | yawn |
| [12:12:06] | jduggan_: | :) |
| [12:12:20] | mzb: | http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#offtopic |
| [12:12:21] | justinh: | OMG. mythsqueezebox2 needs help with the graphics |
| [12:12:37] | justinh: | that's being exceedingly nice about it |
| [12:13:37] | justinh: | oh FFS. they've gone & done a coverflow style widget in the plugin. This is precisely the kind of thing mythui was intended to avoid |
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| [12:14:23] | justinh: | new ui features, kept within plugins == BAD |
| [12:16:08] | Dibblah: | Uhm... |
| [12:16:28] | Dibblah: | Coverflow wouldn't be easy to implement properly at the moment, as far as I understand. |
| [12:16:52] | justinh: | so just hack around it & make a widget nothing else can use? Hmmmph |
| [12:18:03] | justinh: | we could've had my rotation etc ui stuff in 0.22 if I hadn't 2nd guessed the fact it'd have to be done 'properly' |
| [12:19:08] | justinh: | actually no, the feature freeze was announced the day after I started playing with it. heh |
| [12:22:21] | Dibblah: | I'm second guessing the implementation here, but I don't think that it could really be described as a widget. |
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| [12:22:44] | justinh: | oh man, the plugin is all using qt drawing routines too – for the vol. display & stuff |
| [12:22:56] | justinh: | and the progress bar |
| [12:23:12] | justinh: | and text |
| [12:23:28] | justinh: | it's like mythui never happened |
| [12:25:42] | Dibblah: | ... That'd be the reason for it not being an official plugin, then... |
| [12:25:56] | justinh: | technically, UI shapes & stuff are drawn by qt anyway but that's not the point |
| [12:26:48] | justinh: | there has to be a way to convince people *nicely* to be more amenable to do things the 'right' way |
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| [12:28:26] | Dibblah: | Sure there is. Offer an incentive to getting in trunk. |
| [12:28:33] | justinh: | that it? |
| [12:28:35] | Dibblah: | Rather than getting bitchslapped on first approach. |
| [12:30:02] | justinh: | might help if the style guide mentioned how to maximise code's chances too |
| [12:30:57] | justinh: | then again some people will be perfectly happy keeping their own code out of tree |
| [12:31:46] | justinh: | mythtube died through not having anybody with the time or inclination to do it 'right' |
| [12:32:37] | justinh: | see if folks actually talked about the development process of new stuff on the -dev list.. |
| [12:33:11] | justinh: | exchanging tips, helping out.. oh wait that's actually unrealistic |
| [12:33:30] | mzb: | and there was a separation between #-dev and #-users that made sense? |
| [12:33:31] | Dibblah: | It's easier in IRC, usually. |
| [12:34:15] | Dibblah: | But that then leads to the frustration of people asking the same questions over and over. |
| [12:34:15] | justinh: | more immediate. not necessarily a wide audience though |
| [12:34:54] | justinh: | yeah different people asking the same questions and the same people having to give them answers |
| [12:35:05] | Dibblah: | The work that iamlindoro is doing really does help, though. |
| [12:35:07] | Dibblah: | (with the documentation) |
| [12:35:13] | justinh: | definitely |
| [12:36:10] | justinh: | just makes me sad that some good & useful ideas end up staying out of tree & they end up dying |
| [12:37:51] | ** mzb knights justinh as Sir Youhad Goodideabut ** | |
| [12:38:16] | justinh: | mzb: I've never killed a plugin at birth |
| [12:38:28] | ** mzb knights justinh as Sir Youhad Goodidea ** | |
| [12:38:37] | mzb: | better? :) |
| [12:39:11] | justinh: | then again inclusion in the project officially doesn't mean they'll be around forever :P |
| [12:39:18] | justinh: | or even that they're a good idea |
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| [12:40:00] | Dibblah: | Mythmybooktwit! |
| [12:40:25] | Dibblah: | MythTwitMyBookFace! |
| [12:40:28] | justinh: | damnit. Went to take the vid down off liveleak & they have to moderate my decision. Hope they cite 'cold feet, having read the comments' as a good enough reason to remove it |
| [12:40:42] | Josh: | Dibblah: we dont take kindly to name-callin around these parts |
| [12:40:51] | Dibblah: | ? |
| [12:41:06] | Josh: | Dibblah: :) |
| [12:41:15] | mzb: | *cackle* |
| [12:41:31] | justinh: | MythConstantUpdateNotificationTool |
| [12:41:39] | Dibblah: | Personally, I just want myth's OSD to... work :( |
| [12:41:51] | Dibblah: | ie if I send a notify, I want it to appear at any time. |
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| [12:41:59] | Dibblah: | Not just in playback. |
| [12:42:01] | justinh: | heh |
| [12:42:03] | Dibblah: | But... I'm lazy. |
| [12:42:11] | Dibblah: | Unbelievably lazy. |
| [12:42:18] | justinh: | I have too many ideas, too little time & even less motivation |
| [12:42:42] | justinh: | Dibblah: port the osd to mythui, sorted |
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| [12:42:55] | Josh: | Dibblah: I found out yesterday that the default for mythtvosd is to broadcast across the network. Not funny if you have 5 frontends all sharing volume notifies :( |
| [12:42:57] | ** Dibblah really should look at why the DVD code exits out (or at least doesn't recover) when it gets a single read error. ** | |
| [12:43:13] | mzb: | irc does take a bit out of your day |
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| [12:43:33] | justinh: | mzb: I can't write mythtv code at work |
| [12:43:45] | Dibblah: | Does anyone here see the zombie process issue? |
| [12:43:47] | Josh: | sphery: you up yet? |
| [12:43:49] | gbee: | xkcd – beautiful |
| [12:44:01] | mzb: | ah yeah, the liberal British employment system |
| [12:44:07] | ** mzb uses his broomstick to disappear in a cloud of noxious gasses ** | |
| [12:44:07] | justinh: | at least not on my dev laptop.. not without making it freaking obvious I'm not working |
| [12:44:07] | gbee: | (and not the comic which I've yet to read) |
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| [12:44:47] | Josh: | Dibblah: that's what I wanted to talk to sphery about. My quad core frontend doesnt show symptoms *too* much, but yesterday evening the bedroom P4 was doing it a LOT |
| [12:44:55] | Dibblah: | Oooh. |
| [12:45:00] | Dibblah: | You see it, then? |
| [12:45:01] | gbee: | Dibblah: yeah, right now I've four zombie backends and one zombie frontend |
| [12:45:13] | Josh: | Dibblah: Yep. I dont' use mythwelcome either. |
| [12:45:17] | Dibblah: | What's your -v level? |
| [12:45:28] | Dibblah: | (09:18:11) Dibblah: Umm, I could be wrong, but I don't see how myth_system is meant to work with overlapping calls to it (ie child doesn't die before another one is executed) |
| [12:45:29] | Dibblah: | (09:18:31) Dibblah: It doesn't appear to thread off the waitpid call? |
| [12:45:32] | justinh: | whatever xkcd have done to their website it's made my desktop even slower than usual |
| [12:45:45] | ** justinh blames flash ** | |
| [12:46:00] | Josh: | Dibblah: havent specified a logfile on the fronteds yet, I was going to do that this morning. |
| [12:46:03] | gbee: | it's not flash ... it's retro ;) |
| [12:46:15] | Dibblah: | Everything (or most) was switched across to use myth_system, right? |
| [12:46:22] | Dibblah: | fairly recently. |
| [12:46:31] | justinh: | I dunno, I can't flipping see it because my crappy 900Mhz Duron box is stalled |
| [12:46:33] | Josh: | Dibblah: On the bedroom (P4 2.8Ghz HT) It usually goes haywire when I bring up the Program Guide. |
| [12:46:36] | gbee: | beautiful satirical retro |
| [12:46:49] | justinh: | three finger salute time |
| [12:46:51] | Dibblah: | Josh: That's the preview process fork. |
| [12:47:01] | Dibblah: | gbee: Thoughts on above? |
| [12:47:33] | justinh: | ffs that's better |
| [12:47:41] | Josh: | I've got actual paid work to finish, when I get done I'll set loglevels, etc |
| [12:47:46] | justinh: | firefox sucks nowadays :( |
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| [12:48:14] | Dibblah: | Josh: Sure. I'm not sure it'll help much, though. myth_system is not highly instrumented. |
| [12:48:46] | gbee: | Dibblah: no, no thoughts |
| [12:49:06] | Dibblah: | The _only_ thing that I can find that the FE forks for is the screensaver stopper. |
| [12:49:09] | Josh: | Dibblah: I've got a system here that doesnt use mythwelcome, and seems to be easily reproducable. Hopefully it will help with debugging. |
| [12:49:28] | ** justinh sets fire to mythwelcome ** | |
| [12:49:35] | gbee: | xkcd has so perfectly recreated a site of the late nineties that I'm actually feeling nostalgic |
| [12:49:52] | gbee: | FWIW it's got nothing to do with mythwelcome |
| [12:50:00] | Dibblah: | It's myth_system. |
| [12:50:04] | justinh: | nope, FF on my linux box doesn't like it either. BAH |
| [12:50:10] | gbee: | yeah, I'm sure you are right about that |
| [12:50:11] | Dibblah: | Did my paste from above not come through? |
| [12:50:31] | justinh: | I set fire to mythwelcome just for fun. no particular reason |
| [12:50:41] | Dibblah: | waitpid is definitely not being executed for the child process. |
| [12:50:56] | gbee: | no, I saw it, just conveying to others that it's already very clear that mythwelcome isn't related |
| [12:50:56] | Dibblah: | But I don't see the issue here, so can't debug. |
| [12:51:21] | justinh: | gbee: so xkcd has succeeded in making a 1990s tribute website a computer from the 1990s can't display :P |
| [12:51:24] | Dibblah: | mythwelcome may show the same symptoms, though. |
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| [12:53:20] | gbee: | justinh: the way it should be ;) |
| [12:53:46] | ** Dibblah made a bootsector virus this weekend. ** | |
| [12:53:59] | Dibblah: | Or at least, that's what the AV said it was :( |
| [12:54:28] | justinh: | I asked for a RAM upgrade for this box at work, and was given 2GB. Great, I mused. I can finally be less frustrated with slowness. WRONG |
| [12:54:39] | gbee: | even the source is chock full of in-jokes – "<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="QBASIC">IF $BROWSER = "IE" THEN GOTO 50</SCRIPT>" |
| [12:54:46] | Dibblah: | Can anyone guess what this does: |
| [12:54:46] | Dibblah: | http://www.pastebin.ca/1642081 |
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| [12:55:32] | gbee: | missing one very obvious joke though – no metadata header revealing that it was created in frontpage |
| [12:55:39] | Josh: | Dibblah: chmods user:us /dev/all/your/base |
| [12:55:44] | justinh: | no rotating ie icon either |
| [12:55:46] | Josh: | Dibblah: chown rather. |
| [12:55:54] | justinh: | is there MIDI musak too? |
| [12:56:00] | Dibblah: | Josh: It's useful, not malicious. |
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| [12:56:35] | Dibblah: | The hint is MSR, 0x3A :) |
| [12:56:43] | justinh: | going for broke. try it in IE |
| [12:56:55] | justinh: | ROFLMAO |
| [12:56:59] | gbee: | <HTML WEB="2.0"> |
| [12:57:03] | justinh: | page renders fast, machine still responsive |
| [12:57:07] | justinh: | eat that firefox |
| [12:57:27] | justinh: | heh and the email icon is rotating. |
| [12:57:45] | justinh: | wonder why it sucks so bad in firefox |
| [12:58:33] | Josh: | justinh: apparently the site uses 'extensions" to HTML that is non-standard. |
| [12:58:51] | justinh: | it's the difference between havign a usable machine & not |
| [12:58:52] | Dibblah: | It's taking the piss. |
| [12:59:04] | Dibblah: | It's _meant_ to be broken. |
| [12:59:18] | Dibblah: | Since 90% of the web was in geocities hayday. |
| [12:59:25] | Dibblah: | heyday? |
| [12:59:28] | Dibblah: | Whatever. |
| [12:59:46] | justinh: | being broken in firefox is one thing. turning your machine into a steaming heap is another |
| [13:00:00] | Josh: | Anyone know if mythweb was upgraded to use SG's? When I navigate to Videos without a VideoStartupDir set, I just get an error complaining about changing settings to set one. |
| [13:00:10] | justinh: | Josh: no it wasn't |
| [13:01:19] | justinh: | I'd also find it disconcerting that a mere website can reduce a 'competent' browser to a gibbering wreck |
| [13:01:45] | GreyFoxx: | Josh: I don't think it has been |
| [13:01:47] | Josh: | justinh: maybe firefox is still dealing with emotional issues of it's past? |
| [13:01:57] | justinh: | oh wait that's the RS components site too |
| [13:02:44] | Josh: | I hate Radio Shack's component pricing. I used to work there, something like 900% markup. |
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| [13:05:05] | clever: | Dibblah: lol, it even has blink |
| [13:05:15] | clever: | and alot of html tags are half showing |
| [13:05:31] | Dibblah: | It's what's known as a parody. |
| [13:07:12] | clever: | the brokem image images are different also:P |
| [13:07:31] | clever: | lol, one of them is 404 |
| [13:07:53] | clever: | wtf, c++ code |
| [13:08:11] | clever: | goto 10...... |
| [13:08:43] | Josh: | Weird. Mythweb – Videos, datadir set to /dev/null, I still return some videos |
| [13:08:49] | Josh: | some of the links are broken though. |
| [13:09:05] | clever: | Dibblah: and yes, it is pegging my cpu, but i can still use it |
| [13:09:29] | Dibblah: | goto 10 is not c++. |
| [13:09:38] | Dibblah: | Unless you're _really_ nasty. |
| [13:09:51] | Josh: | clever: BASIC |
| [13:09:52] | clever: | no, at the top |
| [13:10:05] | clever: | it has cout << \" |
| [13:10:09] | clever: | there is c++ and basic |
| [13:11:09] | clever: | i dont think 'VOID MAIN(VOID)' is valid..... |
| [13:13:51] | Dibblah: | You don't? |
| [13:14:04] | Dibblah: | ... That's good. because it's int. |
| [13:14:37] | clever: | and i think its case-sensitive |
| [13:15:18] | clever: | lol, oh god |
| [13:15:32] | clever: | they are saying to ctrl+s every page you want to save and move to a new hosting site...... |
| [13:15:47] | clever: | that tends to screw up the file layout:P |
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| [13:22:01] | gbee: | Dibblah: parody ... the word I was searching for ... do I feel stupid? |
| [13:22:44] | Dibblah: | Let me see. You've done pretty much all the work on MythUI. I'd guess... No? |
| [13:23:00] | justinh: | anyway I don't think completely pegging a machine deliberately is funny, parody or not |
| [13:23:50] | gbee: | Dibblah: rhetorical ;) I really was searching for the word earlier, mind was a complete blank :) |
| [13:25:55] | Dibblah: | Woo – My mini2440s arrived :) |
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| [13:27:52] | gbee: | Dibblah: unlocks the bios? |
| [13:28:02] | Dibblah: | Eh? |
| [13:28:20] | gbee: | nm |
| [13:29:20] | Dibblah: | They're little ARM boards. Very cute. |
| [13:30:10] | gbee: | I was thinking of something else entirely ;) |
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| [13:47:19] | Josh: | Is there a way to change mythbackend log verbosity without shutting it down? An -HUP of some kind mabye? |
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| [14:00:08] | Echelon: | hey guys, got a bit of an issue here. Just upgraded to karmic on a mythbuntu box here, and now there seems to be a strange interaction between mplayer and mythfrontend. Whenever mythfrontend, and I try and watch a video using mplayer, it only plays 1–2 frames at a time and it 's like it wants to stay paused |
| [14:00:13] | Echelon: | has anyone had that issue before? |
| [14:00:37] | Echelon: | and well, more importantly: knows how to fix it? |
| [14:01:57] | gbee: | apt-get remove mplayer |
| [14:02:06] | Echelon: | tried that already |
| [14:02:16] | Echelon: | and clear ~/.mplayer |
| [14:02:23] | Echelon: | *cleared |
| [14:03:56] | Echelon: | actually I just tried it then, I had a video in mplayer, which was stuck in this semi-paused mode, as soon as mythfrontend was closed the video started playing |
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| [14:06:29] | Josh: | Echelon: gbee never mentioned reinstalling mplayer :) |
| [14:06:43] | Echelon: | lol |
| [14:07:17] | Echelon: | yes, however I would prefer to keep using mplayer, as it was working reasonably well within mythtv and with this remote via LIRCD |
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| [14:07:58] | gbee: | whereas the internal player would probably work very well, and we can't have that ;) |
| [14:08:19] | ** gbee wonders if 0.23 will be the version where we finally drop support for external players ** | |
| [14:08:32] | Echelon: | oh, I meant the mplayer being used for mythvideo plugin |
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| [14:09:07] | gbee: | so did we |
| [14:09:46] | gbee: | use of external players has been deprecated in mythvideo for at least 3/4 years now |
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| [14:11:27] | Echelon: | hmm, just realized it had changed a few things in my xorg config (man.. linux turns one into a geek fairly fast) |
| [14:11:38] | Echelon: | going to reset the machine and see if that fixes mplayers issues |
| [14:11:57] | gbee: | unfortunately once a feature is added, no matter how silly it is, getting rid of it is always an uphill battle |
| [14:12:04] | Echelon: | indeed |
| [14:12:35] | Echelon: | actually I might try the internal player as the setting for mythvideo if this doesn't work |
| [14:12:37] | Echelon: | give it a go atleast |
| [14:13:01] | Echelon: | I presume it can play back, xvid/divx AVI's and x264 mkv's correctly? |
| [14:13:18] | justinh: | mkv's what? |
| [14:13:24] | justinh: | and AVI's what? |
| [14:13:30] | gbee: | x264 – aww bless |
| [14:13:34] | gbee: | you mean H.264 |
| [14:13:44] | gbee: | yes, it can play back anything that mplayer can |
| [14:13:52] | justinh: | whatever the torrent site called em |
| [14:13:52] | gbee: | since they are both based on ffmpeg |
| [14:14:08] | gbee: | and the internal player can do a hundred other tricks besides |
| [14:14:10] | Essobi: | Good morning. |
| [14:15:05] | Echelon: | I'm not exactly knew around computers, I was under the impression that x264 encompasses all the *264 variants |
| [14:15:32] | gbee: | x264 is the name of an encoder, not a codec |
| [14:15:38] | Echelon: | alright |
| [14:15:52] | gbee: | x264 encodes to H.264 |
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| [14:16:03] | justinh: | anyway, stop snooping on my internet traffic! |
| [14:17:16] | gbee: | justinh: don't worry, lots of people are into stuff just as kinky ... *snigger* |
| [14:17:44] | henkpoley: | Archive files "doesn't work", can anybody help me with that? |
| [14:17:51] | henkpoley: | Primarily, when I open it it opens in the logbook |
| [14:18:00] | henkpoley: | How can I delete the previous job – from 2008 ? |
| [14:18:11] | Echelon: | anyway seems to be working with internal |
| [14:18:23] | Echelon: | i'll hope no issues crop up with this |
| [14:18:46] | Echelon: | next point of order, and equally important is me getting this darn remote working again |
| [14:19:11] | justinh: | tried replacing the batteries? |
| [14:19:25] | Echelon: | nah it's working I meant working with my mythtv setup |
| [14:19:57] | Echelon: | I can check it's working by viewing the output of /dev/usb/hiddev0 or something like that with cat |
| [14:20:00] | Josh: | Echelon: irw + press keys on remote |
| [14:20:34] | justinh: | hahaha my old flatmate is on facebook. last status update he talks about getting an email saying he's entitlted to $6.2 Million. Has anybody else ever had such a mail? Blimmin numpty |
| [14:21:08] | Josh: | justinh: is your old flatmate an idiot? |
| [14:21:31] | gbee: | Echelon: if you run into problems with the Internal player then file a ticket, some people who resist the idea of dropping support for external players cite problems with the Internal player as the reason, but they often fail/refuse to file bugs so they are never going to get fixed |
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| [14:21:56] | justinh: | Josh: yup, and then some |
| [14:22:30] | Echelon: | well I will if any issues come up |
| [14:22:54] | Echelon: | `irw` isn't doing much |
| [14:24:58] | Echelon: | I think the issue resides in /etc/lirc |
| [14:25:12] | Echelon: | i'm looking for what may have changed in those config files |
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| [14:28:58] | Josh: | Echelon: ubuntu, right? |
| [14:29:47] | Josh: | Echelon: check out 'mode2' and press some buttons, any output? |
| [14:30:14] | Echelon: | yeah mine is ubuntu |
| [14:30:51] | Echelon: | mode2: could not get file information for /dev/lirc |
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| [14:31:43] | Josh: | Echelon: I dont like that about ubuntu. 'mode2 -d /dev/lirc0' |
| [14:32:33] | Echelon: | there isn't an lirc0, but there is a /dev/lircd |
| [14:34:05] | Josh: | Echelon: /dev/lircd is what lircd uses as control device |
| [14:34:15] | Josh: | Echelon: ls -alh /dev/lirc/* ? |
| [14:34:40] | _abbenormal: | hey iamlindoro you up and around |
| [14:34:47] | Echelon: | ls: cannot access /dev/lirc/*: No such file or directory |
| [14:35:29] | Josh: | Echelon: sorry, typo – ls -alh /dev/lirc* |
| [14:35:46] | Echelon: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 2009-10–27 00:31 /dev/lircd -> /var/run/lirc/lircd |
| [14:35:51] | Echelon: | that's the only entry |
| [14:36:03] | Josh: | Echelon: so your reciever is not being set up |
| [14:36:26] | Josh: | Echelon: pastebin the results of 'dmesg | grep lirc' |
| [14:36:32] | Josh: | What is your ir reciever? |
| [14:37:03] | Echelon: | it's a USB thing, a dvico fusionremote |
| [14:37:16] | Echelon: | it seems to be attached to /dev/usb/hiddev0 |
| [14:37:25] | Echelon: | as when I run: cat hiddev0 |
| [14:37:38] | Echelon: | it will show characters when I press buttons on the remote |
| [14:38:04] | Josh: | Echelon: that means it's being set up as an HID device, which may or may not be good |
| [14:38:09] | Echelon: | 'dmesg | grep lirc' came up empty |
| [14:38:32] | Echelon: | I remember getting it to work previously, but specifying that as the device in some config file in /etc |
| [14:38:37] | Echelon: | I think it was in /etc/lircd |
| [14:38:50] | Echelon: | */etc/lirc |
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| [14:52:07] | henkpoley: | Grr.. mytharchive is being stubborn -as always- it has never worked for me since ca. 2004 |
| [14:52:41] | henkpoley: | Currently mytharchivehelper seems to error out on a database connection |
| [14:53:28] | henkpoley: | "QSqlDatabasePrivate::removeDatabase: connection 'DBManager0' is still in use, all queries will cease to work." |
| [14:53:36] | henkpoley: | Also for DBManager1 |
| [14:54:09] | henkpoley: | Then: "ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 10037, errno = 32" |
| [14:55:50] | Josh: | Is there a way to change my mythbackend log settings without killing it? |
| [14:56:31] | henkpoley: | Josh: it might listen to kill -HUP |
| [14:56:48] | sid3windr: | or it might not :> |
| [14:56:50] | henkpoley: | That's the usual message to 'reload gracefully' |
| [14:57:11] | henkpoley: | Hey, at least a pointer that might help the huy |
| [14:57:20] | henkpoley: | ..guy / gal even ;-) |
| [14:59:12] | Josh: | an -HUP is usually used to rotate logfiles, I'm just not sure if I change log settings -v whatever if it will honor those. |
| [14:59:33] | Josh: | Or even if there is an active recording if it will be split up |
| [15:00:42] | Echelon: | alright, got the remote working |
| [15:03:20] | Josh: | looks as though when mythtv first came out, SIGHUP handling was designed so that it would *not* interrupt recordings |
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| [15:03:36] | Josh: | but I'm not sure if you can change settings with an -HUP |
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| [15:06:00] | Echelon: | did mythtv have some kind of regression with regards to theming in .22? |
| [15:06:24] | Echelon: | because currently the only themes that load for me are metallurgy or terra |
| [15:08:00] | henkpoley: | Echelon: yes, the themeing engine changed for the recent beta, for me the old themes still work, though I was running SVN trunk at the time of the switch |
| [15:08:02] | Josh: | Echelon: not regression, progression. There has been a complete theme engine rewrite |
| [15:08:25] | henkpoley: | so my 'old' ones may have had some patch ups but were ultimately dropped |
| [15:08:42] | Josh: | Echelon: dont forget to enter the themes/ directory and install those as well. |
| [15:08:53] | henkpoley: | Like Titivilus doesn't seem to be in myththemes anymore |
| [15:09:47] | henkpoley: | It's OSD is again there, though |
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| [15:10:03] | henkpoley: | The theming people are obviously working on it |
| [15:10:49] | gbee: | heh, not really, no-one has currently shown any interest in reviving the old themes |
| [15:10:58] | Echelon: | how do I go about installing them? I though their presence in /usr/share/mythtv/themes was enough |
| [15:10:59] | henkpoley: | Echelon: metallurgy is in myththemes, Terra is the default theme I believe, it ought to work |
| [15:11:09] | gbee: | but a competition is schedule to be run over the next four months to create all new themes |
| [15:11:16] | Echelon: | yeah, but terra doesn't work that well for what I need |
| [15:11:32] | gbee: | both Terra and Metallurgy are unfinished, time pressures |
| [15:11:38] | henkpoley: | I don't like Terra either.. no overview at all :P |
| [15:12:01] | Echelon: | I prefer a blue/dark/black'ish look, and I need to be able to browse with mythvideo easily |
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| [15:12:22] | Echelon: | terra seems to have the icons too small, I can only see the names when I hover over an icon |
| [15:13:08] | gbee: | Echelon: which view? |
| [15:13:24] | henkpoley: | Echelon: I'm not good at hovering over my TV ;-) Anyways, in Terra the menu icons ought to be really big. |
| [15:13:27] | Echelon: | Media Library -> Watch Videos |
| [15:13:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | Echelon: So write a theme: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development |
| [15:13:40] | Echelon: | damn it, it read my mind |
| [15:13:54] | gbee: | ok, try another – What does it say top left? |
| [15:13:59] | Echelon: | something I had done must have changed the fontsize, I swear the files were smaller a minute ago :S |
| [15:14:23] | gbee: | there are four 'views' possible in mythvideo, Menu > Change View |
| [15:14:46] | Echelon: | ah that must have been it |
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| [15:14:47] | gbee: | Tree/List view is currently unthemed, Gallery view needs work |
| [15:15:04] | Echelon: | but yeah, I would prefer not to be using terra |
| [15:15:52] | justinh: | titivillus is for people with like 1k of ram |
| [15:15:58] | henkpoley: | Yay, the .ICEauthority miving trick seems to work for MythArchive, apparently nobody knows how to fix that since 2007 |
| [15:16:33] | Echelon: | wow, yeah theme aren't that well done yet. Just went to load metallurgy (nothing happened, it stayed as terra), then on restart it was like a mix of terra/metallurgy, metallic background with all the icons from terra |
| [15:16:38] | Echelon: | lets try that again... |
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| [15:17:46] | ** justinh raises a toast to the death of all 4:3 themes, and all the ones he ever did ** | |
| [15:17:48] | Echelon: | titvilus isn't loading for me |
| [15:18:25] | ** J-e-f-f-A mourns for justinh's themes. ** | |
| [15:18:41] | Echelon: | this is wierd, now I can't even get it to go back into metallurgy |
| [15:18:42] | gbee: | Echelon: rm -rf /usr/share/mythtv/themes |
| [15:18:47] | gbee: | then reinstall |
| [15:18:55] | Echelon: | reinstall myththemes? |
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| [15:19:33] | gbee: | reinstall mythtv and myththemes – you've got old themes left over from a previous install that won't work |
| [15:19:41] | Echelon: | ah ok |
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| [15:20:04] | gbee: | maybe I should implement version theming for 0.22 because the second RC |
| [15:20:48] | justinh: | a 2nd RC? |
| [15:21:19] | gbee: | that's was the plan |
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| [15:22:23] | ** gbee re-reads what he typed ** | |
| [15:22:26] | gbee: | whoops |
| [15:22:40] | gbee: | 'for 0.22 _before_ the second RC' |
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| [15:23:12] | justinh: | more the '2nd RC' I'm puzzled about |
| [15:23:30] | gbee: | release candidate |
| [15:24:05] | gbee: | we've released one and the plan is to release a second, before the final release a few days later |
| [15:25:13] | sid3windr: | the race is on |
| [15:25:20] | sid3windr: | myth .22 vs karmic disaster^Wkoala |
| [15:26:51] | ** gbee goes to buy spring onions ... in Winter ** | |
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| [15:36:34] | Ryushin: | Are the hauppauge cards the only cards that have a built in encoder? |
| [15:37:13] | henkpoley: | Ryushin: ehh... what is it used to receive for ? |
| [15:37:28] | Ryushin: | Analog. |
| [15:37:31] | Ryushin: | ntsc. |
| [15:37:54] | iamlindoro: | There are some clones that used to be made by avermedia, and a few random knock-offs, but no current cards that I am aware of |
| [15:38:20] | Ryushin: | Okay, so hauppauge and then everything else. |
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| [15:39:28] | Ryushin: | I wonder how much juice it takes to encode analog. Does anyone know if the encoding looks better if you have the proc encode it then if you have the hauppauge do it? |
| [15:39:56] | wagnerrp: | its got less to do with the 'required juice', and more to do with the lack of pain |
| [15:40:01] | justinh: | Ryushin: it's not so much that – it's more that the tuner on framegrabber cards leaves a lot to be desired |
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| [15:40:21] | wagnerrp: | hang around next time you see someone in here struggling to get a framegrabber to work |
| [15:40:22] | justinh: | and more to do with the fact there's seldom any audio capture on framegrabbers either |
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| [15:40:39] | justinh: | wagnerrp: most people have problems because they're retards who don't read the FM |
| [15:40:41] | wagnerrp: | aside from the huge IO consumption by the video, audio is a real pain |
| [15:40:42] | Ryushin: | It's just I'm really not that impressed with the encoding of the PVR-150/350 cards that I have. I read that the newer USB look better though. |
| [15:41:06] | wagnerrp: | like justinh mentioned, you often need a separate sound card |
| [15:41:07] | justinh: | Ryushin: no tuners on analogue cards have ever impressed me |
| [15:41:17] | wagnerrp: | which means one sound card per tuner |
| [15:41:22] | justinh: | direct video capture was fantastic on the 150 card I had |
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| [15:41:30] | justinh: | but the tuner ate donkey nuts |
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| [15:41:36] | wagnerrp: | and then you have sync issues, and problems with non-duplex sound cards |
| [15:41:42] | wagnerrp: | and all sorts of badness |
| [15:41:47] | iamlindoro: | On that note, analog sucks |
| [15:41:52] | iamlindoro: | suck sucks |
| [15:41:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ryushin: What bitrate/resoution are you capturing in... mine look great. |
| [15:42:11] | Ryushin: | Well, looking at video recorded and then played back from the built in tuner with the Mitsubishi TV doesn't much compare. A lot of reasons why I don't use MythTV for Live TV. |
| [15:42:12] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: tuner, or video capture? |
| [15:42:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ryushin: (IE: S-Video in) |
| [15:42:33] | devinheitmueller: | Also bear in mind, that MythTV is often configure by default to capture at 480x480 instead of 720x480, so just by tweaking that one field you can get significantly better results. |
| [15:42:39] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats the comment, the encoders look great, but the tuner sucks |
| [15:42:53] | justinh: | 480x480 looked more like VHS than even VHS IIRC |
| [15:43:15] | Ryushin: | J-e-f-f-A: 4800. At 720x480. |
| [15:43:16] | justinh: | the res won't save you space on a pvr card anyway |
| [15:43:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | 4800 seems a bit low... I think I've got mine set higher. (/me checks) |
| [15:43:41] | ** devinheitmueller thinks that's all the more reason that 480x480 probably shouldn't be the default for livetv. ** | |
| [15:44:01] | Ryushin: | Well, I've encoded 9600 too. Pretty much the same quality. |
| [15:44:06] | justinh: | thought all the defaults were changed to 720x480 & 720x576 for NTSC & PAL respectively |
| [15:44:18] | justinh: | like before 0.21 even |
| [15:44:37] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: I did a clean install from trunk last week and it was 480x480 for all defaults. |
| [15:44:49] | justinh: | ouch |
| [15:44:52] | Ryushin: | I thought the new capture cards like the HVR-850/950 have drivers that can encode the audio and video together. Or is that just a windows thing? |
| [15:45:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ryushin: I use 4500–6000 |
| [15:45:16] | devinheitmueller: | Ryushin: the 850 and 950 don't have hardware encoders at all. |
| [15:45:43] | devinheitmueller: | All they support is raw video capture. And support for the 950q wasn't there until a couple of weeks ago. |
| [15:45:45] | justinh: | hometime! |
| [15:45:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^^ yeah, they're framegrabbers (or LAMEgrabbers as we like to call them here) |
| [15:46:17] | Ryushin: | I know. I was wondering if there was some kind of myth driver to encode the video and audio strem from them into ffmpeg or something to that affect. |
| [15:46:22] | devinheitmueller: | ... or you could refer to them as lower cost alternatives for people who use rarely need analog. |
| [15:46:41] | wagnerrp: | encode the a/v into ffmpeg? what does that even mean? |
| [15:46:46] | devinheitmueller: | Ryushin: if you use a product the the 850 or 950, MythTV will automatically encode to mpeg in software. |
| [15:47:40] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: last i checked, myth is still limited to mpeg4-asp or mjpeg |
| [15:47:44] | Ryushin: | devinheitmueller: How well does the encoding looking? |
| [15:47:46] | wagnerrp: | no mpeg2 encoding |
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| [15:48:00] | tmkt: | anyone else experiencing a 2–3 minute delay before remote begins to work? |
| [15:48:08] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: oh, is it encoding it to mpeg4? I never looked that close at what it encoded it to. |
| [15:48:17] | Ryushin: | So maybe it's the HVR-1950 the one to go with now. |
| [15:48:21] | devinheitmueller: | Ryushin: not bad. |
| [15:48:34] | devinheitmueller: | Ryushin: The 1950 *does* have an onboard encoder. |
| [15:48:58] | Ryushin: | Any idea what would look better? The 1950 or software encoded 850/950? |
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| [15:49:07] | devinheitmueller: | Ryushin: the picture is not bad, but it ends up being more expensive on the CPU since the host CPU does encoding. |
| [15:49:18] | devinheitmueller: | Ryushin: I haven't done a side-by-side comparison. |
| [15:49:35] | Ryushin: | Hmmm.... |
| [15:50:08] | Ryushin: | I have a 850 that I use for ATSC recordings. That just dumps to disk and is just what I want. |
| [15:50:37] | devinheitmueller: | Ryushin: for ATSC, the stream is already digital, so there is no encoder involved, regardless of what product you use. |
| [15:50:37] | Ryushin: | So if I tell my friend he can get a cheap 850/950 and the cpu will do the encoding then he can make that choice. |
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| [15:50:58] | devinheitmueller: | Ryushin: do you have a board where you *are* happy with the quality? It is entirely possible that your quality problem is a MythTV configuration issue. |
| [15:51:07] | Ryushin: | Is there any problems with it encoding the audio from the 850/950? |
| [15:51:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ryushin: I'm really surprised your 150/350 are so 'bad'... what's your display device? If it's a 1080p set, then virtually any SD you throw at it is is going to look poor... |
| [15:51:29] | Ryushin: | 73" 1080p. |
| [15:51:39] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, you can't really compare ATSC quality against analog. |
| [15:51:42] | Ryushin: | Still, the Mistubishi tuner looks better than the 350/150 encodings. |
| [15:51:47] | devinheitmueller: | It's an apples-to-oranges comparison. |
| [15:52:17] | devinheitmueller: | Ryushin: that may not be the tuner at all – that could be MythTV causing the problems. |
| [15:52:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ryushin: Well, yeah... SD is going to look like crap on that. Unless you push the bitrate on the HVR WAY up. |
| [15:52:41] | wagnerrp: | i was never impressed by those big Mitsubishi RPs |
| [15:52:52] | Ryushin: | Well, not when I'm viewer the same analog signal. One with the built in tuner in the Mitsubishi TV and the other in the Hauupauge card. The Mitsubishi looks better. Not by a dramatic amount, but you can tell the difference. |
| [15:52:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ryushin: Your video card could be a big factor too – deinterlacing method, etc... lots of factors. |
| [15:53:06] | wagnerrp: | of course that could be chalked up to Best Buy's techs not knowing how to tune anything properly |
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| [15:53:52] | Ryushin: | Well, the 73" 1080p Diamond Mitsubishi is sitting in my loft along with a frontend. I tuned it so I have it right. |
| [15:54:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ryushin: What's the video card in that frontend? |
| [15:54:30] | Ryushin: | It would be nice if Comcast's SDTV didn't look worse then their analog signal. They just compress the piss out of it and it's all blocky. |
| [15:54:42] | Ryushin: | Nividia 6500. |
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| [15:54:57] | tmkt: | after starting the front end remote doesn't work for a good 2 minutes – guess i'll check bugzilla |
| [15:55:00] | wagnerrp: | output type? |
| [15:55:02] | Ryushin: | HD looks perfect though it. |
| [15:55:11] | devinheitmueller: | Ryushin: you might want to check your CPU utilization. If you are doing deinterlacing in software, you might be using all the available CPU. |
| [15:55:14] | Ryushin: | DVI. |
| [15:55:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ryushin: Well, the 6500 should be decent — but -10 for C*mcast... :-( |
| [15:56:01] | Ryushin: | Have lots of spare cpu on the dual core. Even playing back 1080i with de-interlacing and such turned on. |
| [15:56:05] | ** J-e-f-f-A replaces the 1st "O" with a "U" – due to 7 years of torture with them... ** | |
| [15:56:40] | Ryushin: | Who has the best picture right now for HD? Comcast, Dish, or DirectTV? |
| [15:56:51] | Ryushin: | Better not be Comcast as it's piss poor. |
| [15:56:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ryushin: Verizon FiOS |
| [15:56:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [15:57:01] | wagnerrp: | ive heard verizon pumps very good rates |
| [15:57:03] | mchou: | It sure is not comcast |
| [15:57:10] | Ryushin: | I use my 96" OTA antenna for all my common HD. |
| [15:57:24] | mchou: | OTA might actually be best |
| [15:57:46] | Ryushin: | Verizon has the bandwith for that. Jelous. |
| [15:57:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | I've seen C*mcast's "HD" here at pizza shops, etc... looks good for slow-motion, but rapid motion produces lots of compression artifacts... yuck... |
| [15:57:48] | devinheitmueller: | mchou: OTA is almost certainly better than all the cable providers. |
| [15:58:05] | Ryushin: | Yea, comcast is just awful. |
| [15:58:17] | wagnerrp: | Verizon has exactly the same amount of bandwidth as comcast |
| [15:58:17] | mchou: | devinheitmueller: I include fios in "cable providers" :) |
| [15:58:28] | Ryushin: | And that's why I have my antenna on my roof. Sometimes I can pick up the rover on mars. :) |
| [15:58:38] | wagnerrp: | verizon IS a qam provider |
| [15:58:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ryushin: I only have ATSC for my HD source thus far. |
| [15:59:08] | devinheitmueller: | mchou: I've been tempted to turn on the cable support for my FIOS, just so I can play with it (I don't really watch much TV). |
| [15:59:29] | wagnerrp: | they pump a QAM modulated signal down their line, and use a transceiver to convert it to standard digital cable running on your existing coaxial lines |
| [15:59:35] | Ryushin: | wagnerrp: That can't be. Verizon has fiber. Their bandwidth is pretty much unlimited. They don't have to compress the signal at all if they don't want to. |
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| [16:00:08] | wagnerrp: | Ryushin: with unlimited bandwidth comes unlimited cost |
| [16:00:13] | mchou: | Ryushin: haha, what a joke |
| [16:00:22] | wagnerrp: | theyre trying to do this in a manner inexpensive enough to actually sell to the general public |
| [16:00:36] | devinheitmueller: | It's not *really* unlimited. They have the same challenges that cable providers have. |
| [16:01:07] | devinheitmueller: | That said, they do have less incentive to remultiplex the OTA transmissions at a lower bitrate. |
| [16:01:37] | Ryushin: | wagnerrp: I understand that for their Internet service. But their TV portion, they should be able to deliver the full encoded signal without extra compression. |
| [16:01:52] | wagnerrp: | realistically, they have about 5gbps to use for video |
| [16:02:06] | mchou: | Ryushin: which planet are you from? |
| [16:02:30] | wagnerrp: | the difference being they can actually carry all 5gbps of digital video, rather than use a large chunk of it for standard definition analog |
| [16:02:36] | Ryushin: | mchou: this one. But I'm a network engineer. I work with fiber all the time. |
| [16:02:53] | mchou: | Ryushin: that's pathetic |
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| [16:03:14] | devinheitmueller: | Ryushin: So, then I suspect the network you manage has unlimited bandwidth too, because it's on fiber? |
| [16:03:16] | devinheitmueller: | ;-) |
| [16:03:26] | mchou: | Ryushin: cause you're clearly missing out on some basic facts |
| [16:04:07] | Ryushin: | Well, I run 10Gb mostly. But I've also delt with OC192's, etc. |
| [16:04:30] | wagnerrp: | which is... less than 10gbps |
| [16:04:40] | devinheitmueller: | Ryushin: doesn't sound unlimited to me. :-) |
| [16:05:39] | gbee: | I'd guess what people are driving at is that it's a question of recouping their higher costs, higher compression/lower quality means they can cram in more channels, what remains of the analogue spectrum they are obligated to carry, VoD services and IP etc |
| [16:05:52] | wagnerrp: | Ryushin: when you consider their full QAM bandwidth, plus the full network bandwidth of the 32 clients they put on a single strand of single-mode, youre already pushing 7gbps |
| [16:06:24] | Ryushin: | mchou: What I'm saying is that fiber is basicly unlimited. They can push whatever they want thought he same fiber using different frequencies. One frequency for analog, another for digtial tv, and another for internet. All sent through the same strand. |
| [16:06:35] | gbee: | what's painfully obvious from looking at the broadcasters over here is that they will squeeze every last inch out of the available bandwidth by compressing until viewers scream (which they rarely do) |
| [16:06:45] | mchou: | Ryushin: you sound like some clueless windows user |
| [16:07:37] | wagnerrp: | yes, and each new carrier frequency they add results in a huge cost to their headend equipment, and a moderate cost to each client unit |
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| [16:07:55] | gbee: | BBC are the only ones not purely motivated by financial constraints, as a result the bandwidth of their channels is markedly higher and in some cases 3–4x other channels |
| [16:07:59] | wagnerrp: | not to mention users would need two separate coaxial lines to each box |
| [16:09:01] | gbee: | do US cable providers charge broadcasters relative to the bandwidth they use? |
| [16:09:03] | Ryushin: | mchou: Look, I'm not clueless. I know what I'm talking about. Probably the big limit is going to be what they can install at the client end. |
| [16:09:20] | mchou: | Ryushin: wrong again |
| [16:09:45] | mchou: | Ryushin: wagnerrp just told you what's up at the headend |
| [16:10:22] | iamlindoro: | gbee: No, but sometimes (HBO comes to mind) the content provider places limits on how far the provider can compress the signal in the carriage agreement |
| [16:10:30] | mchou: | Ryushin: there's no way you're a 'network engineer' if you persist on being dense |
| [16:10:44] | Ryushin: | Look, it's fiber to the home, yes. Then it hits a box that converts the signal to QAM and probably Ethernet. Right? |
| [16:10:53] | gbee: | Ryushin: mchou likes to wind people up, so continuing to engage him just drags this out |
| [16:11:01] | wagnerrp: | the box splits out several carrier waves |
| [16:11:19] | wagnerrp: | one gets converted directly into broadcast QAM, the other two are upstream and downstream |
| [16:12:26] | wagnerrp: | so right now, some 5.5gbps is all they can carry for tv and remain compatible with existing hardware |
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| [16:14:08] | wagnerrp: | consuming some 1.5gbps PER CHANNEL for uncompressed video, adding all that broadcast equipment, replacing all the STBs with hardware designed to use uncompressed video |
| [16:14:17] | wagnerrp: | its a HUGE expense |
| [16:14:41] | Ryushin: | wagnerrp: I thought a 1080i signal was 19.2Mbs. |
| [16:14:45] | gbee: | iamlindoro: interesting, over here, at least on Satellite, OTA and probably cable channels pay for bandwidth and so are motivated to reduce their usage as much as possible without compromising quality to the point where viewers stop watching |
| [16:14:46] | iamlindoro: | I think Ryushin was implying that it was un-recompressed, not taht it was raw uncompressed video (at least, that's how I took it) |
| [16:14:48] | wagnerrp: | compressed |
| [16:14:59] | wagnerrp: | ATSC peaks at 19.2mbps mpeg2 |
| [16:15:36] | Ryushin: | iamlindoro: correct. |
| [16:15:48] | iamlindoro: | Which is, in teh case of Verizon, true |
| [16:15:52] | gbee: | yeah, I didn't see him talking about sending uncompressed video |
| [16:15:53] | wagnerrp: | the reason they can carry that is because they have no analog lineup |
| [16:16:00] | iamlindoro: | They don't recompress the feed they receive from the content provider |
| [16:16:04] | wagnerrp: | so they have the full 5.5gbps available for digital tv |
| [16:16:37] | wagnerrp: | which means almost 300 channels of full bitrate video |
| [16:16:42] | Ryushin: | Unlike comcast who recompresses the piss out of everything so their analog feed looks better than their SD feed. |
| [16:17:31] | wagnerrp: | compared to most cableco's which have somewhere less than half that |
| [16:18:10] | Ryushin: | How much bandwidth is available for the satellite providers? |
| [16:18:21] | wagnerrp: | the purpose of comcast clearing out half their analog channels was to free up another 1.5gbps of bandwidth to use for digital |
| [16:19:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ryushin: Much less. They use MPEG4 to get good quality video – much better than Comcast IMHO. |
| [16:19:19] | Ryushin: | wagnerrp: Well, to be perfectly frank, I'm not so happy about going to digital with my cable. They are trying to close the analog hole and prevent me from recording anything unless I use their PVR. |
| [16:19:51] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, they also use IPTV for their on-demand stuff, so they dont have to keep a dozen or so channels allocated for that use |
| [16:20:11] | sphery: | Dibblah: your zombie processes are mythbackend, right (based on your comment about preview generation)? Josh_'s are mythfrontend, as http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7135 |
| [16:20:23] | Ryushin: | Were are we at with the HD-PVR? |
| [16:20:24] | Dibblah: | I don't have any. |
| [16:20:34] | wagnerrp: | Ryushin: it works just fine |
| [16:20:41] | Dibblah: | I'm just trying to understand the bug :) |
| [16:20:45] | wagnerrp: | and if they do happen to close the analog hole, we have that covered as well |
| [16:21:06] | Ryushin: | wagnerrp: Really? Do tell. |
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| [16:21:32] | gbee: | Dollhouse really as flawed as everyone says? Premieres over here tonight |
| [16:21:32] | sphery: | did you ask if Josh_ is running xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver ? |
| [16:21:51] | gbee: | meh, doesn't hurt to record it |
| [16:21:51] | wagnerrp: | http://www.curtpalme.com/HDFury2.shtm |
| [16:21:52] | sphery: | I've heard season 2 is better than 1 (though I haven't started either, yet) |
| [16:22:01] | iamlindoro: | gbee: I like it a lot-- but if they air it in the order Fox did, it'll be 5 episodes in before it gets really good |
| [16:22:17] | iamlindoro: | maybe six, actually |
| [16:22:18] | Ryushin: | So every part of the HD-PVR works now and works reliably? Also is it still signal stream H.264 so only one core can decode it and not multi core? |
| [16:22:30] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [16:22:51] | gbee: | haven't watched either Generation Kill or Flash Forward yet, saving those for later |
| [16:22:56] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Depends how much you like Whedon, really-- the show gets a lot more "Whedonesque" at about that point |
| [16:23:06] | iamlindoro: | FlashForward has been a disappointment so far |
| [16:23:08] | iamlindoro: | (to me) |
| [16:23:33] | sphery: | that's what everyone seems to say |
| [16:23:40] | sphery: | (haven't started it, either, though) |
| [16:24:05] | iamlindoro: | It seems like they *might* be going somewhere now, but they're going to have to do a lot to reel me back in |
| [16:24:06] | gbee: | iamlindoro: the jury is out on Whedon, I thought Firefly was overrated and had it not been cancelled it probably wouldn't have been nearly as popular (one man's opinion, don't shoot me) |
| [16:24:07] | Ryushin: | wagnerrp: Awesome! When did that come out? |
| [16:24:12] | iamlindoro: | I'm looking forward to "V" though |
| [16:24:18] | wagnerrp: | a long time ago |
| [16:25:27] | Ryushin: | Okay, so now it's time to start buying HD-PVR's. How much proc is needed to decode 1080i H.264? |
| [16:25:30] | squidly: | iamlindoro: I wonder if it will be worth while. The Original was good though |
| [16:25:33] | gbee: | even Serenity could have used one more re-write, lose the 'Reivers' and it would have been a tighter film |
| [16:25:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: But that would still require a HD-PVR to record the video – so your per-tuner cost goes up by $200... yuck. |
| [16:25:42] | Ryushin: | Is 2.8Ghz good enough? |
| [16:25:44] | wagnerrp: | its not so much the resolution as the bitrate |
| [16:25:52] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah, thats the problem |
| [16:25:56] | wagnerrp: | Ryushin: 2.8 what? |
| [16:26:08] | gbee: | "V"? ... /me googles |
| [16:26:16] | wagnerrp: | core2duo, probably |
| [16:26:21] | Ryushin: | 2.8Ghz cpu core? |
| [16:26:25] | wagnerrp: | ath64, no |
| [16:26:30] | wagnerrp: | phenom2, maybe a bit lacking |
| [16:26:48] | sphery: | gbee: they had to include the Reavers, because it was one of the great open questions in the universe that had to be closed |
| [16:26:52] | Ryushin: | So Phenom2 3.2 then? |
| [16:26:55] | wagnerrp: | thats lacking for the full 13.5mbps out of a hdpvr |
| [16:27:02] | sphery: | gbee: http://www.tv.com/v/show/76298/summary.html |
| [16:27:03] | iamlindoro: | gbee: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_(2009_TV_series) |
| [16:27:08] | wagnerrp: | you can drop the bitrate, or overclock a bit, and it will probably be fine |
| [16:27:16] | gbee: | thanks, looking at the wikipedia entry now |
| [16:27:52] | Ryushin: | Well, I'm looking next spring to pretty much replace most of my current myth hardware. So hopefully 3.6Ghz will be doable by then. |
| [16:28:22] | wagnerrp: | hopefully by that time, ffmpeg-mt will be available and it wont matter |
| [16:28:30] | gbee: | sphery: see I didn't remember them introducing the reavers (no relation to the Scottish/Northumberland Reivers then?) in the series, but I did watch it just the once |
| [16:28:36] | wagnerrp: | and you always have the option of VDPAU for decoding |
| [16:28:49] | Ryushin: | Though I think I'll purchase a single HD PVR to start playing with it. |
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| [16:29:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ryushin: Buy two, and send one to me. ;-) Hehehehe |
| [16:29:29] | Ryushin: | And now with 802.11n in full swing, there is enough bandwidth for wireless for HD. |
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| [16:30:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ryushin: Bandwidth-wise, yes, but latency and reliability – not typically. |
| [16:30:03] | Ryushin: | J-e-f-f-A: Sure, here is my credit card number. Knock yourself out. :) |
| [16:30:09] | j-rod: | big fat asterisk on 802.11n for wireless HD |
| [16:30:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ryushin: Let me guess: 1234-5678-9012–3456 ??? ;-) |
| [16:30:51] | Ryushin: | Well, I was doing HD without a problem a couple of years ago with 5.8Ghz and 108mbs D-Link cards. |
| [16:31:11] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: so you're saying I should just delete all the flashforward episodes I've got recorded so far? :) |
| [16:31:20] | j-rod: | haven't watched a second of them yet |
| [16:31:29] | Ryushin: | I'm seeing sustained 4.6 MB/s though 5.8 8002.11n now. |
| [16:31:30] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: It *could* get good |
| [16:31:32] | j-rod: | V does look kind of interesting, maybe |
| [16:31:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ryushin: Oh, I almost forgot, you've won 1.5M USD – send me all your personal information, including your social security, bank acct, home address, etc, and I'll make sure it's transferred into your account asap. ;-) |
| [16:32:03] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: Most disappointing thing to me is that they've got a great cast, and it's written by David Goyer (Who wrote The Dark Knight) and have managed to not be stellar, which really takes some work |
| [16:32:18] | gbee: | I do get a sense that FlashForward could be just a little too much like a re-hash of The 4400 |
| [16:32:31] | iamlindoro: | FlashForward's pacing is just way, way too slow |
| [16:32:33] | j-rod: | I still have all of last season of Lost to watch. And Private Practice and Grey's Anatomy (which I'd just assume nuke, but my wife likes them) |
| [16:32:51] | Ryushin: | So if someone had to choose: Comcast, DirectTV, or Dish? HD and signal quality being desired needs? |
| [16:32:54] | iamlindoro: | There's an entire episode that culminates in a discovery that at the moment of the FlashForward, some crows died. |
| [16:32:56] | iamlindoro: | So effing what? |
| [16:32:59] | gbee: | but that's from 5 excerpts of the various trailers I catch before/after ad breaks |
| [16:33:04] | sphery: | j-rod: Lost S5 actually made Lost seasons 2–4 worthwhile |
| [16:33:11] | iamlindoro: | I mean, likely to be very relevant later, but not a very worthwhile payoff for an hour of TV time |
| [16:33:44] | j-rod: | I finally watched the S4 recap preview thing from just before the start of S5. Forgot half the stuff that happened at the end of 4... |
| [16:34:48] | sphery: | j-rod: this season, I'm actually running 2 rules to record Lost. The first will pick up the first showing (sans popups) and the second will pick up the popup video one. |
| [16:34:59] | j-rod: | anyone w/an lwn sub, the "how google uses linux" article is well worth the read |
| [16:35:18] | j-rod: | heh |
| [16:35:21] | gbee: | iamlindoro: yeah, if you are going to have an arching storyline then those things need to be incidental to the plot of the episode, done best the user should remember them but no see it as significant until much later in the season/series |
| [16:35:47] | sphery: | gbee: the Reavers only really factored into episodes 2 and 12 of serenity |
| [16:35:51] | sphery: | er, firefly |
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| [16:39:24] | Echelon: | hey |
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| [16:40:58] | iamlindoro: | Heh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Christmas_s . . . (Doctor_Who) Check out "Guest Stars" on the right panel |
| [16:41:05] | iamlindoro: | They're really trotting out the whole gang |
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| [16:41:35] | ** wagnerrp wonders if people actually aspire to become airport security guards ** | |
| [16:43:20] | wagnerrp: | a male companion? is that allowed? |
| [16:44:04] | iamlindoro: | Well, he's popped in and out for multiple seasons |
| [16:44:10] | iamlindoro: | So he's a familiar character |
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| [16:44:58] | iamlindoro: | I was more referring to the fact that all the companions show back up, as do multiple enemies |
| [16:45:02] | wagnerrp: | and i dont like matt smith either |
| [16:45:10] | wagnerrp: | that haircut, and a smile? its just wrong |
| [16:45:16] | Echelon: | lol yeah, was thinking that myself |
| [16:45:29] | wagnerrp: | he needs to be morose and contemplating death |
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| [16:46:49] | Echelon: | lol |
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| [16:49:17] | wagnerrp: | 'Smith was a relatively unknown actor compared to the actors speculated to take on the role, who included..... Billie Piper' |
| [16:49:33] | wagnerrp: | people speculated they would reincarnate the doctor as one of the former companions? |
| [16:49:43] | wagnerrp: | just how in the hell would they have explained that one |
| [16:51:38] | Echelon: | that could be awkward if he/she ever bumped into them again |
| [16:52:07] | Echelon: | but no the doctor couldn't be a woman on an ongoing basis |
| [16:52:12] | wagnerrp: | well she got her own doctor and was sealed off in some parallel universe |
| [16:52:40] | Echelon: | perhaps as a story arc, where he turns into a woman, but it's not right etc.. and he eventually changes back |
| [16:53:02] | Echelon: | like those fish that can change gender to suit their conditions |
| [16:53:30] | wagnerrp: | they could have him played by Scott Bakula during those episodes |
| [16:53:31] | Echelon: | interesting they say john sims would be in the christmas one |
| [16:53:54] | Echelon: | lol the guy from enterprise right? |
| [16:54:24] | iamlindoro: | Erm, no |
| [16:54:28] | wagnerrp: | no, the guy from Quantum Leap |
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| [16:54:30] | iamlindoro: | John Simms was The Master |
| [16:54:38] | iamlindoro: | oh, Bakula |
| [16:54:40] | Echelon: | no I meant scot bakula was the guy from enterprise |
| [16:54:48] | wagnerrp: | it was a reoccurring theme that he would 'leap' back into a woman |
| [16:54:51] | henkpoley: | Yay, it's burning.. lets hope it doesn't error out, and plays back correctly |
| [16:54:54] | Echelon: | yea I know who John Simms was |
| [16:55:08] | wagnerrp: | same guy, but wrong reference |
| [16:55:19] | Echelon: | ah, never saw quantum leap |
| [16:55:59] | Echelon: | soo, it seems I only have 2 issues to sought out now (w.r.t. mythtv) |
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| [16:56:17] | icehawk78: | What's the difference between programs like Boxee, XBMC and MythTV? Are they all essentially different media-center programs, or are some better for certain things than others? |
| [16:56:44] | iamlindoro: | MythTV is a DVR, the others are not |
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| [16:56:49] | Echelon: | They're all different |
| [16:56:52] | gbee: | Boxee/XBMC don't record tv, they just play back videos and music |
| [16:57:11] | gbee: | Boxee == commercial XBMC port |
| [16:57:55] | gbee: | Boxee == The reason Hulu nearly failed |
| [16:57:56] | icehawk78: | gbee: Well, that's a good distinction, although it probably puts MythTV out of the range of what I need, since I'm not recording anything |
| [16:58:29] | gbee: | icehawk78: yeah, then mythtv is probably overkill if you are just looking for a simple media player |
| [16:59:15] | icehawk78: | gbee: That's what I was thinking. I'm mostly just looking for a media center to hook up to my TV and run on the same linux box as my web server. |
| [17:00:32] | wagnerrp: | this may be different now with 0.22, but generally if you dont want to record tv, mythtv isnt for you |
| [17:01:08] | wagnerrp: | general media playback worked, but it wasnt pretty |
| [17:01:08] | gbee: | MythTV is significantly more feature-rich but focused around the recording capability, the others focus around imported content (which for many people is a euphemism for stolen content) |
| [17:01:34] | Echelon: | this is news to me? :P |
| [17:01:53] | wagnerrp: | what is? |
| [17:01:59] | Echelon: | stolen content |
| [17:02:12] | gbee: | Boxee is XMBC but with a focus on internet content, Youtube, Hulu etc |
| [17:02:39] | Echelon: | ie. those 10–50TB servers my mates put together are actually using stolen content :P... they didn't purchase those thousands of albums + TV shows legitimately |
| [17:02:46] | wagnerrp: | you think most people running xbmc actually have large collections of DVDs? (or really even mythvideo users for that matter) |
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| [17:03:00] | Echelon: | hmm |
| [17:03:34] | gbee: | Echelon: sad fact is that many people don't aquire content legally, e.g. from DVDs they've bought or recordings they've made, but from pirated material downloaded with bittorrent etc |
| [17:03:50] | Echelon: | yeah I know, I was being facetious |
| [17:04:12] | gbee: | aye, well I started typing that before reading your followup comment ;) |
| [17:04:16] | Echelon: | but I do try and buy legal copies of things where possible |
| [17:04:20] | wagnerrp: | i imaging a 10TB media server is actually difficult to fill with 'stolen content' |
| [17:04:21] | Echelon: | fair enough |
| [17:04:36] | Echelon: | yeah, but linux ISO's will only stretch soo far |
| [17:04:38] | wagnerrp: | considering its all recompressed to small sizes |
| [17:04:47] | Echelon: | I know a few people with 20–30TB 'servers' |
| [17:05:09] | Echelon: | ie. desktop hardware in a full tower case with 20+ drives attached |
| [17:05:12] | wagnerrp: | i mean do they just download everything they can get their hands on, because they can? |
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| [17:05:26] | Echelon: | I think that's the go for them |
| [17:05:48] | gbee: | yeah, that's the bit I really don't get – people have no respect for artists or laws, ok – people are willing to watch extremely low quality ultra-compressed rips? WTF? |
| [17:06:17] | gbee: | pack rats |
| [17:07:29] | gbee: | another behaviour I really don't understand, keeping around a number of films and the odd series that you are certain to rewatch, that makes sense, but hoarding hundreds of thousands of hours of TV that you couldn't possibly have enough time to re-watch? |
| [17:08:16] | Echelon: | yeah, i've never understood watching a video off a cam, it's terrible quality, poor camera work and you have other audience members eating popcorn/standing up to content with |
| [17:09:18] | Echelon: | or in the case of 1 of my acquaintances, 100+GB of adult video he's never going to watch.. just because they were available at a lan |
| [17:09:41] | Echelon: | he seems to have a hoarding personality, with regarding to videos |
| [17:09:50] | Echelon: | even video's he won't watch |
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| [17:10:06] | icehawk78: | I can't speak to movies, since I don't download those often, but I can understand a similar situation with not wanting to get rid of old music. You've gone through the effort of actually finding something and downloading it, and most people know that their tastes may change over time, so some people (myself included) have an aversion to getting rid of something (if you don't need the space) simply because "Well, maybe someday..." |
| [17:10:40] | Echelon: | yeah can't blame people for holding onto music |
| [17:10:43] | wagnerrp: | icehawk78: you do realize this is a logged channel, right? |
| [17:10:57] | gbee: | I think music is a little different, although I've had a recent spring clean all the same |
| [17:13:11] | ** gbee downloads music almost daily ** | |
| [17:13:31] | gbee: | legally, paid in full :p |
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| [17:14:27] | Echelon: | which service do you use? (if you don't mind me asking) |
| [17:14:44] | wagnerrp: | why is my back button going back twice.... |
| [17:14:56] | quicksilver: | wagnerrp: you have parkinsons |
| [17:15:03] | _abbenormal: | lol |
| [17:15:03] | quicksilver: | common problem. |
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| [17:15:34] | _abbenormal: | i was thinking trigger finger hit it twice |
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| [17:16:43] | icehawk78: | Echelon: Hah, yeah, I know. Downloading music isn't always illegal. More just making a point about the thought processes behind people who are more pack-rats like that. |
| [17:17:54] | gbee: | Echelon: me? Emusic and what I can't get there I buy the CD |
| [17:18:09] | gbee: | Emusic is more indie label orientated, so not for everyone |
| [17:18:11] | icehawk78: | Presumably it's mostly just that digital content doesn't "take up" room, really, so keeping it forever on the off-chance that you might later want it seems/is a lot less cluttered than doing the same thing in real life. (Assuming you keep your content organized, of course.) |
| [17:19:30] | iamlindoro: | Echelon: You need to read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide |
| [17:19:46] | iamlindoro: | Changed behavior is NOT the same thing as broken |
| [17:19:57] | Echelon: | thanks |
| [17:20:00] | Echelon: | will read |
| [17:20:04] | iamlindoro: | And if you're going to run pre-release software, the onus is on *you* to know that |
| [17:21:03] | gbee: | well I guess people who are pack rats generally will be digital hoarders, I wouldn't keep a DVD of something I'll never (re)watch and I don't see the point in spending money on more disks to keep a copy knowing that the chances of me changing my mind are slim to none |
| [17:21:48] | Echelon: | alright, I see the change in behavior, it's going to take some reconfiguration on my part to adapt to that |
| [17:21:58] | gbee: | I genuinely can count on one hand the number of drama series I'd watch for a second time, or that I even consider good enough to own a copy |
| [17:22:24] | iamlindoro: | Echelon: such is life |
| [17:22:36] | Echelon: | seems I need to define a menu key for my remote now |
| [17:22:47] | mag0o: | lost would be worth a weekend to watch from beginning to end, without interruption (except for maybe sleep) |
| [17:22:51] | ** gbee blinks ** | |
| [17:23:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | Echelon: You've never had a "Menu" button defined??? /me finds that odd... |
| [17:23:40] | iamlindoro: | You can't get new features without changing behaviors-- and keeping legacy behaviors for no reason is just plain silly (and the reason we have a setting for everything under the sun) |
| [17:24:09] | sphery: | "keeping legacy behaviors for no reason" is called "Windows"? |
| [17:24:11] | iamlindoro: | If people lose their shit about tiny changes in behavior and massive added functionality, woe unto them when we rip out dozens more pet settings for .23 |
| [17:24:13] | Echelon: | nah they only needed select, play, arrow keys, stop and esc defined |
| [17:24:16] | sphery: | er, DOS? |
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| [17:24:37] | icehawk78: | gbee: Well, that makes sense. For me, I also don't tend to *have* a ton, so beyond simply expanding my collection to a new 1TB drive so that I could keep everything I *know* I'd want to rewatch as well as give my collection room to grow, so most of what I keep I mostly do because I don't have space concerns. I'd delete crap I'll never want again before I'd drop $50 on a new drive. But I could also see people thinking "Well, I spent my time and band |
| [17:24:43] | iamlindoro: | If you've never had a menu key defined, then you've never had access to about half of myth's functionality |
| [17:24:56] | icehawk78: | Also, wow, that was really long :-O |
| [17:24:56] | Josh`: | sphery: you up yet? |
| [17:24:57] | iamlindoro: | And what's more, you need a Menu AND and info key defined |
| [17:25:11] | sphery: | not really :) |
| [17:25:15] | sphery: | actually, I'm here |
| [17:25:34] | Echelon: | well haven't needed it just to watch TV, and watch videos with mythvideo |
| [17:25:39] | sphery: | I saw your comments on the defunct process--are you running xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver on the system that gets them? |
| [17:25:52] | Josh`: | sphery: I have a frontend that gets PISSED when I enter the Program Guide :) |
| [17:26:11] | sid3windr: | icehawk78: yeah, it was also too long to completely get through irc ;) |
| [17:26:20] | Echelon: | I basically just went with the default lircd button/layout config for my remote |
| [17:26:26] | sphery: | Josh`: gets lots of defunct processes? |
| [17:26:32] | gbee: | stop isn't really required, same behaviour is normally available through Esc, you might have got by with Menu before now but I have to wonder how |
| [17:26:46] | Josh`: | sphery: the frontend would start acting funny and eventually either stop responding or crash. |
| [17:27:05] | iamlindoro: | Especailly with arrow accelerators gone, MENU is a must and IMHO so is INFO |
| [17:27:05] | sphery: | hmmm... don't know what could cause that |
| [17:27:05] | gbee: | IMHO everyone should just get an MCE remote and be happy :) |
| [17:27:10] | Echelon: | yeah sorry, it was one button for stop & esc |
| [17:28:27] | Josh`: | sphery: when I went back to my laptop& ssh to restart it, I noticed a bunch of defunct processes. |
| [17:29:20] | sphery: | Josh`: what about screensavers? running or not? |
| [17:29:31] | sphery: | (running whether active or not) |
| [17:29:55] | sphery: | Echelon: you were saying you had some problems with themes... was it due to having old version themes installed? |
| [17:30:19] | Echelon: | I don't think so |
| [17:30:49] | Echelon: | currently I've got it running metallurgy, but only metallurgy and terra will load |
| [17:30:51] | gbee: | sphery: in part, which is why I'm proposing that the theme versioning goes live earlier than planned e.g. 0.22 |
| [17:30:51] | sphery: | Echelon: what branch/revision are you using? You really need r22594 or higher |
| [17:31:00] | Echelon: | if I choose another theme it will load terra instead |
| [17:31:02] | sphery: | yeah, I saw your comment about that |
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| [17:31:04] | Josh`: | sphery: I'm apparently using gnome-power-manager on that system, but no gnome-screensaver |
| [17:31:35] | Echelon: | 22594 is the current version i'm running |
| [17:31:36] | sphery: | hmmm... was just following up on something Dib blah said |
| [17:31:59] | Josh`: | sphery: psh, I'm an idiot, wrong box |
| [17:32:13] | sphery: | Echelon: what themes are you trying to switch to? |
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| [17:32:36] | Echelon: | I was trying to switch to 'Retro' |
| [17:32:44] | Echelon: | which was the theme it was previoulsy running |
| [17:32:55] | Josh`: | sphery: still no gnome-screensaver running on that machine |
| [17:33:11] | sphery: | strange... I don't know how you'd get orphaned processes |
| [17:33:13] | Echelon: | previously before I upgraded to ubuntu 9.10 and mythtv 0.22 |
| [17:33:30] | sphery: | mythbackend processes would make sense, but mythfrontend...??? |
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| [17:33:58] | Josh`: | Dibblah was mentioning earlier something about forking when going to the windowed player in the Program Guide |
| [17:34:36] | sphery: | Echelon: Retro is in the oldthemes directory, and I thought that *buntu doesn't package that? |
| [17:34:52] | Dibblah: | I was? |
| [17:35:05] | Josh`: | Dibblah: I belive it was you... |
| [17:35:08] | sphery: | I think he was talking about the screensaver poking |
| [17:35:13] | sphery: | which happens during playback |
| [17:35:18] | Echelon: | well I seem to be getting all those themes? |
| [17:35:23] | Dibblah: | Yup. That's my theory. |
| [17:35:36] | sphery: | but /only/ if you actually have one of the 2 screensavers running |
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| [17:35:58] | sphery: | Echelon: can you tell which package the theme came from (I'm lacking aptitude with your package manager) |
| [17:36:03] | Josh`: | Dibblah: when watching Live TV, and hit program guide, someoene said soemthing about a fork when switching to the small player |
| [17:36:07] | Echelon: | just a sec |
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| [17:37:22] | ajtanus: | hello |
| [17:37:36] | Josh`: | sphery: right now I've got three defunct instances of mythfrontend |
| [17:38:10] | Echelon: | synaptic says the latest version is 1:0.22.0~zrc1 |
| [17:39:10] | Echelon: | but as I scroll down it has entries for individual themes ie: mythtv-theme-retro which has version 1.0–0ubuntu1 for latest and installed |
| [17:39:25] | sphery: | it is true that mythfrontend runs myth_system() on xscreensaver-command --version and gnome-screensaver-command --help immediately on startup, so it may still be (part of) the problem (but I don't know where #3 comes from) |
| [17:39:42] | sphery: | Josh`: does it happen immediately upon starting mythfrontend or does it appear some time later? |
| [17:40:00] | Josh`: | sphery: I'm watching it now |
| [17:40:14] | Josh`: | sphery: it seems I start having problems after entering the EPG from livetv |
| [17:40:20] | Josh`: | 12 |
| [17:40:25] | Echelon: | should I remove some of the themes that are prior to 1:0.22 |
| [17:40:29] | Echelon: | ?? |
| [17:40:53] | Josh`: | sphery: haha |
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| [17:41:05] | Josh`: | sphery: this mce remote is typing characters on my laptop also :) |
| [17:41:12] | _abbenormal: | hey iamlindoro |
| [17:41:13] | ajtanus: | my gps garmin edge705 don't run |
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| [17:41:30] | sphery: | Josh`: so the embedded EPG? (wondered about that 12 :) |
| [17:41:36] | _abbenormal: | where can i find whats the best setup as far as cpu and ram for a backend |
| [17:41:40] | wagnerrp: | Echelon: yes |
| [17:41:45] | wagnerrp: | the old themes no longer work |
| [17:41:51] | wagnerrp: | some have been updated, most have not |
| [17:41:52] | sphery: | Josh`: what happens if you restart mythfrontend, no defunct procs, then go to Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings|Program Guide |
| [17:41:52] | kormoc: | ajtanus: good for it? |
| [17:42:19] | wagnerrp: | they will remain in subversion for at least one version, in case someone wants to upgrade them |
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| [17:42:26] | wagnerrp: | but after that, they will likely be dropped |
| [17:42:30] | ajtanus: | but non for me:) |
| [17:42:58] | sphery: | Echelon: I think those are actually old themes that don't work. If you'd like to post a frontend log showing mythfrontend startup, then going directly into the Appearance section and changing to that theme, I should be able to tell you whether it's a bad theme. Make sure you post the whole log, please. |
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| [17:44:39] | iamlindoro: | _abbenormal: There's no real "ideal" hardware, it's very variable based on what you want to do |
| [17:44:49] | ** kormoc really wonders what channel ajtanus thought this was ** | |
| [17:45:01] | _abbenormal: | ok thought so |
| [17:45:14] | _abbenormal: | so a 2.6 with as much ram as i can get will work fine |
| [17:45:51] | iamlindoro: | Echelon: None of the legacy themes are shipped with ubuntu any more, you have old packages installed... the only themes you should have from a stock install are Mythbuntu, Graphite, Terra, and MythCenter. Everything else should be removed |
| [17:45:52] | _abbenormal: | with 22 now supporting the s2 cards im going to load it up and play some |
| [17:45:53] | sphery: | kormoc: I thought he was trying to get geolocation so that when he inserts his own advertisements over the ones in the recordings, he could put the right local ones in... |
| [17:46:01] | Josh`: | sphery: without doing anything, I get 3 defunct mythfrontend instances. |
| [17:46:05] | kormoc: | ahh! so much is explained |
| [17:46:24] | Josh`: | sphery: I just start mythtv with 'mythfrontend -v playback -l /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log' |
| [17:46:27] | sphery: | (I still wonder how it could be legal in whatever country those guys were in to record a broadcast then rebroadcast it while removing commercials and inserting your own) |
| [17:46:32] | sid3windr: | sphery: :D |
| [17:46:57] | wagnerrp: | the only thing the backend really needs power for is the scheduler |
| [17:47:15] | sphery: | Josh`: so you don't have to go to the EPG to get the defunct procs? Do you get more when you go there? |
| [17:47:18] | wagnerrp: | ideally, you want to be able to run that in a fraction of a second |
| [17:47:34] | Josh`: | sphery: I dont get any more when I enter the EPG from 'manage recordings' |
| [17:47:53] | sphery: | but you do when you use the LiveTV one? |
| [17:48:04] | wagnerrp: | commflagging/transcoding dont have to be done interactively |
| [17:48:07] | Josh`: | sphery: honestly, I can't get the livtv to act up again |
| [17:48:13] | wagnerrp: | and can really be done on a frontend if you need more power |
| [17:48:45] | Echelon: | seems that frontend log is ~7MB, so I'll just paste the last few hundred lines to pastebin |
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| [17:49:40] | Echelon: | http://pastebin.com/m64ba53b5 |
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| [17:52:03] | sphery: | Echelon: it's 7MB because your system appends to the old. :) Anyway, it is broken. |
| [17:52:07] | sphery: | 2009-10–26 22:43:52.753 Overriding broken theme 'neon-wide' with 'Terra' |
| [17:52:34] | sphery: | Once you get that in the logs, you have a theme override, which can not be removed. That means when you set any other theme, you'll still see Terra until you restart. |
| [17:52:42] | Echelon: | hmm |
| [17:53:00] | Josh`: | sphery: I guess I'm a liar.. I can't get the LiveTV EPG to mess up |
| [17:53:02] | Echelon: | so should I go and rm that theme? |
| [17:53:13] | sphery: | Echelon: so, now, go into Appearance and choose one of Mythbuntu, Graphite, Terra, or MythCenter (one of the current/updated themes), and then restart mythfrontend |
| [17:53:22] | sphery: | Echelon: then you should be able to change to any of those 4 themes |
| [17:53:25] | Josh`: | sphery: however, I jsut started this frontend process, mabye if I let the screen saver or monitor sleep kick in and bring it back... |
| [17:53:58] | sphery: | Josh`: monitor sleep managed by what? just dpms through X or through a screensaver |
| [17:54:12] | Echelon: | yeah graphite worked just now |
| [17:54:53] | sphery: | yeah, I'd recommend uninstalling the old theme packages. It sounds like on *buntu, you can only get the old theme packages if you upgrade versus reinstall |
| [17:55:06] | sphery: | they just got a suggestion to mark the old ones as conflicts |
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| [17:56:01] | Echelon: | I must be annoying |
| [17:57:25] | sphery: | for the theme thing, no... helped me verify that the code is working the way it should and helped point out a way to make packaging better. :) |
| [17:57:54] | Echelon: | I suppse it's good that some good comes out of this |
| [17:57:56] | Josh`: | sphery: just checked, the screensaver is disabled, but there was mention about "regard computer as inactive after X mins" but I didnt see any options |
| [17:58:04] | Josh`: | sphery: let me check power management |
| [17:58:20] | Echelon: | that and I have an awesome PVR once I sought through issues |
| [17:58:58] | Josh`: | sphery: hmm. "Put computer to sleep: never", "put display to sleep: never". |
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| [17:59:12] | Josh`: | sphery: I'm guessing it's just normal X stuff, or DPMS |
| [18:00:31] | sphery: | Josh`: how about running: xscreensaver-command --version && echo "xscreensaver: $?" && gnome-screensaver-command --help && echo "gnome-screensaver: $?" |
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| [18:02:27] | Josh`: | sphery: the binary 'xscreensaver-command' doesnt exist on my system, one second. |
| [18:02:59] | Echelon: | hmm, regarding mythvideo and the automatic naming of video's that it detects, where can I configure the naming scheme? |
| [18:03:28] | Josh`: | Echelon: I dont think the naming scheme is configurable by the user |
| [18:03:40] | sphery: | Echelon: what do you mean, "automatic naming of videos" |
| [18:03:56] | sphery: | you mean how it goes from a filename to a guessed title? |
| [18:04:04] | sphery: | that's built in/not configurable |
| [18:04:18] | sphery: | you'd have to edit the title using the edit metadata stuff (under the MENU :) |
| [18:04:21] | Echelon: | hmm, well I had a few dozen videos which previously just entered the "Watch Videos" section, and they had taken their filename as their name, which was fine |
| [18:04:28] | Echelon: | ie. someshow.s01.e01etc |
| [18:04:39] | kormoc: | which still works? |
| [18:04:55] | Echelon: | well it's cutting the name short |
| [18:04:56] | kormoc: | it'd be now someshow season 1 episode 1 |
| [18:04:59] | Echelon: | ie. dexter |
| [18:05:10] | Echelon: | as opposed to dexter.s03.e01.etc.etc.etc |
| [18:05:11] | kormoc: | meaning you no longer see the .s01.e01? |
| [18:05:16] | Echelon: | yeah |
| [18:05:21] | iamlindoro: | Which is expected |
| [18:05:22] | kormoc: | yeah, cause it's going into the metadata now and you can sort by it |
| [18:05:28] | iamlindoro: | as it sets Season 1 1 and episode to 1 |
| [18:05:53] | iamlindoro: | Use a theme that actually works with .22 |
| [18:06:14] | iamlindoro: | It parses title into title, s01 into the season field, and e01 into the episode field |
| [18:06:45] | Echelon: | alright |
| [18:06:55] | iamlindoro: | Namely, use Graphite (which is the one I can be sure will always show you the season and episode) and run metadata grabs to get the subtitle |
| [18:06:55] | sphery: | though if your etc.etc.etc is the wrong stuff, you may get bad guesses — as mentioned in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing , which is linked from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide |
| [18:07:01] | iamlindoro: | And once again, please READ THE TRANSITION GUIDE |
| [18:07:16] | Josh`: | sphery: "xscreensaver-command: no screensaver is running on display :0.0" |
| [18:07:19] | squidly: | ok what is the better drive |
| [18:07:22] | squidly: | samsun of seagate? |
| [18:07:45] | Josh`: | squidly: they're all comparable, I've had them all. |
| [18:07:45] | kormoc: | Western Digital! ;) Or at least, not SeaGate |
| [18:08:01] | kormoc: | Support OSS, Reject Seagate! |
| [18:08:10] | Josh`: | squidly: Seagate's got a 5 year warranty as opposed to a 1 year from the other manufactureres, take it as you wish. |
| [18:08:22] | kormoc: | (Western Digital has a 5 year...) |
| [18:08:29] | iamlindoro: | Except with Seagate, you need that warranty |
| [18:08:33] | squidly: | Seagate and WD both do |
| [18:08:37] | Josh`: | kormoc: Oh? when did they start doing that? |
| [18:08:43] | sphery: | Echelon: re: the etc.etc.etc. , basically, if you have illegally downloaded files and they have all the hallmarks of illegal filenames in them, MythVideo is unlikely to guess correctly--not by design, but by the fact that the illegal filenames tend to have a ton of garbage in them that confuse things |
| [18:08:45] | kormoc: | Josh`: years ago |
| [18:08:48] | squidly: | yea I may say fsck it and get the WD drive |
| [18:08:51] | kormoc: | least 8 years |
| [18:08:54] | ** Josh` starts digging through old WD drives ** | |
| [18:09:28] | squidly: | my array is full and and I need another drive |
| [18:09:42] | squidly: | I'm pulling my recoarding off my array |
| [18:09:43] | sphery: | there was a line of consumer drives you could purchase at least for a while that had shorter warranties |
| [18:10:10] | Josh`: | Quantum! |
| [18:10:12] | squidly: | this will be the first drive in a long time that I did not intend to raid |
| [18:10:18] | Echelon: | hmm, I guess i'll just move all my video's out, then back in so they can be reimported |
| [18:10:43] | sphery: | no, most manufacturers (including WD and Seagate), but then people whined and Seagate changed back (and got all the press for a long warranty), then others changed back |
| [18:11:09] | sphery: | so people tend to think that Seagate has longer warranties, but they don't anymore |
| [18:11:15] | sphery: | as the others have changed back |
| [18:11:23] | sphery: | at least, that's how I remember it |
| [18:11:29] | squidly: | sphery: yep |
| [18:11:38] | squidly: | though some still have the lower warranty |
| [18:12:13] | Josh`: | sphery: eww, this box still has compiz enabled. |
| [18:12:27] | Josh`: | I wonder if it's related to that? |
| [18:12:36] | sphery: | yeah, I find that the warranty doesn't really extend the life of my drives--only makes me have to pay $8–15 to ship the drive back to the manufacturer to get an equivalent replacement when technology has moved on in the last 3 years |
| [18:12:42] | sphery: | or 5 years or whatever |
| [18:12:51] | sphery: | so, I'm not a big fan of HDD warranties |
| [18:13:23] | Josh`: | gnome-power-manager is running |
| [18:13:26] | kormoc: | I try to toss dead drives at family/friends so they pay $15 and get a upgrade |
| [18:14:38] | Josh`: | can't see anything else that would be obvious would manipulate sleep modes, etc |
| [18:14:41] | squidly: | sphery: I mostly think of the warranty agaist drive failure during normal expected lifetime |
| [18:15:02] | squidly: | and saving me $50–100 to get a repaired/new drive |
| [18:15:36] | Josh`: | sphery: I killed gnome-power-manager, gonna head to work and check it out when I come back |
| [18:16:08] | sphery: | yeah, I'm just saying that if I have a 750GB HDD from 3 years ago and it fails on me--in warranty period--rather than pay $8–15 (plus all the time/headache of running the manufacturer's drive diagnostic tool) to get it replaced, I'd rather replace it with a 1TB or 2TB HDD> |
| [18:16:41] | sphery: | it's more power efficient and I end up with a new drive instead of a remanufactured/once returned as broken drive |
| [18:16:52] | Josh`: | sphery: can I have your old 750 GB drives :) |
| [18:16:55] | Echelon: | arghhh |
| [18:16:57] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:16:59] | squidly: | sphery: yea I agree with you for the most part |
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| [18:17:17] | Echelon: | now I remembered why I changed from the 'internal' media player to mplayer |
| [18:17:21] | Josh`: | sphery: I have a raid5 array of 6 160GB drives :) |
| [18:17:29] | Josh`: | okay, seriously, out. |
| [18:17:31] | sphery: | sounds like kormoc's plan is the best one (though I'd have to run the drive diagnostic program and handle the replacement, still...) :( |
| [18:17:33] | squidly: | lol Josh` |
| [18:17:36] | Echelon: | seems to have issues pausing any videos |
| [18:17:52] | Echelon: | ie. it just can't pause |
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| [18:18:06] | iamlindoro: | Press "P"? |
| [18:18:14] | Echelon: | does nothing |
| [18:18:15] | ** sphery guesses remote issues ** | |
| [18:18:22] | sphery: | or keybinding remapping |
| [18:18:24] | iamlindoro: | If P does nothing, you've changed your key bindings |
| [18:18:29] | Echelon: | yeah I have the remote + a keyboard plugged in currently |
| [18:18:33] | Echelon: | hmm |
| [18:19:29] | iamlindoro: | So go to the TV Playback context in Edit Keys, and see what's bound ot PAUSE |
| [18:19:41] | iamlindoro: | if nothing, bind something |
| [18:19:58] | sphery: | I think he means pause doesn't work in MPlayer (not Internal) |
| [18:20:13] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I took it the other way |
| [18:20:17] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Echelon: now I remembered why I changed from the 'internal' media player to mplayer |
| [18:20:23] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Echelon: seems to have issues pausing any videos |
| [18:20:56] | Echelon: | I see "Playback" which is bound to P |
| [18:20:59] | Echelon: | but no pause |
| [18:21:36] | sphery: | P is toggle playback |
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| [18:22:16] | kormoc: | Haha, today's xkcd.com is awesome |
| [18:22:38] | sphery: | Ctrl+P is Play |
| [18:22:49] | sphery: | "toggle playback" meaning toggles between pause and play |
| [18:24:47] | sphery: | Echelon: Playback is in TV Frontend context, not TV Playback |
| [18:25:02] | sphery: | P should be called "Pause" which is toggle pause/play |
| [18:25:11] | Echelon: | under TV Playback: pause is bound to P, play is bound to ctrl+p |
| [18:25:18] | sphery: | yep, so it works |
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| [18:25:53] | sphery: | though there are some situations where you can lock up the UI (i.e. like using the SCREENSHOT key binding--not the ScreenShot jump point) |
| [18:26:08] | sphery: | then none of your keys would work |
| [18:26:15] | Echelon: | works on the keyboard, now gotta get it working on the rmeote |
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| [18:27:08] | iamlindoro: | Echelon: So what changed? |
| [18:27:22] | iamlindoro: | Echelon: I asked you before we started all this to press P on the keyboard, you said it did nothing |
| [18:28:28] | Echelon: | yeah it just showed the little black box in the top of the screen (with position etc.. but didn't pause) |
| [18:28:32] | Echelon: | this is wierd |
| [18:28:38] | Echelon: | but yeah, still having issues with the rmeote |
| [18:28:50] | iamlindoro: | Sooooo... now it just miraculously works properly? |
| [18:29:39] | Echelon: | I don't think I bound anything that wasn't already there |
| [18:30:00] | Echelon: | same deal for mythvideo and livetv |
| [18:30:04] | iamlindoro: | If you had position at the top of the screen, you werten't using Myth's player |
| [18:30:10] | Echelon: | can pause/play using P on the keyboard |
| [18:30:32] | iamlindoro: | mplayer puts the position at the top of the screen-- Internal's OSD does not. |
| [18:30:37] | iamlindoro: | Thus, you were using mplayer |
| [18:30:38] | Echelon: | but not using the remote play button (even though when I goto edit keys and wait for input it detects the press as P) |
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| [18:31:02] | Echelon: | *top right |
| [18:31:02] | iamlindoro: | likely because you're *still* using mplayer... |
| [18:31:05] | Echelon: | sorry |
| [18:31:14] | Echelon: | it's 4:30am here |
| [18:31:25] | Echelon: | nah it's not mplayer anymore |
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| [18:32:31] | Echelon: | actually is it possible the remote is sending 2 quick presses? |
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| [18:32:47] | Echelon: | because it does act like it's going to pause for a 10th of asecond, but keeps going when I use the remote |
| [18:32:51] | sphery: | that's possible |
| [18:34:11] | Hadaka: | Is there a way to instruct mythtv to always record everything from select channels, but just expire them after 1–2 days like live-tv expires? ofcourse, programs selected especially should not expire as fast |
| [18:34:29] | Echelon: | I press pause on the remote, and it shows a box in the top right that says "play" (and the progress/tota time on the line underneath it), it briefly flashes to paused, then back to play |
| [18:35:32] | sphery: | and this all started happening after you installed Hulu Desktop and broke your LIRC configuration as they instructed you should? |
| [18:35:47] | Echelon: | Hulu? |
| [18:35:54] | sphery: | maybe not... |
| [18:36:03] | Criggie: | justinh: re xvid exports – I want to save recorded TV programmes for long term storage. THey can't live on the myth backend indefinitely. |
| [18:37:08] | sphery: | Hadaka: In the recording rule, change the recording group to LiveTV |
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| [18:37:40] | sphery: | simple, yet effective |
| [18:38:09] | Hadaka: | sphery: but how do I record every program from those channels, always? |
| [18:38:18] | sphery: | so anything in the LiveTV recording group is auto-deleted after 1–7 days (depending on your setting for LiveTV expiry) and anything else is kept until you delete it or until the space is needed (if autoexpire is enabled) |
| [18:38:24] | sphery: | Hadaka: with a custom recording rule |
| [18:39:18] | Hadaka: | hmmh, okay, will look into it – so I'd have one generic custom recording rule matching everything from certain channels – and then specific recording rules on top of that specifying a different recording group |
| [18:39:48] | sphery: | Hadaka: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/254066#254066 |
| [18:40:08] | sphery: | "However, IMHO, the patch is completely unnecessary as the existing ..." |
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| [18:41:52] | Hadaka: | sphery: sounds quite nice, I'll have to play with that |
| [18:42:43] | Hadaka: | in my case, I will have two tuners in my computer, and both tuners can record the entire TS from dvb-c, so I can record all the channels I'm interested in at the same time |
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| [18:47:50] | Echelon: | just checked irw, seems that my remote is doubling up on some keypresses, but not with the playback button |
| [18:47:52] | Echelon: | :S |
| [18:48:29] | gbee: | Echelon: check that they don't appear twice in the lircrc |
| [18:48:31] | Dubstar_04: | I am getting errors during the db upgrade to 0.22 rc, the error is Duplicate column name 'default_authority' |
| [18:48:38] | Dubstar_04: | any ideas? |
| [18:52:50] | Echelon: | gbee, how do I check that? |
| [18:54:43] | sphery: | Hadaka: The biggest issue you're likely to have is scaling of the scheduler. By doing that, you have a hugely more complex scenario for the scheduler to work around, so you need a much more powerful system running (the master) mythbackend and mysqld. |
| [18:57:54] | Echelon: | oh well, it seems to work well enough now that I've bound it to a different key (the OK key will work well enough for them) |
| [18:59:41] | Echelon: | this will do |
| [18:59:49] | Echelon: | thanks for the help guys, I appreciate it |
| [18:59:56] | Echelon: | I'm going to get some shuteye now |
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| [19:15:41] | Josh_: | If it is not broke, fix it till it is. |
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| [19:33:13] | highzeth: | RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/recordings/5800_20091026203119.mpg) Error: Invalid file descriptor in 'safe_read()' getting these alot on my SBE's, repeated attempts eventually gets me the channel, but loads of 0b recordings over this. Latest jya build, any thoughts? |
| [19:34:13] | jduggan_: | probably best to direct to jya, as ppl will just tell you to foad as its unsupported =] |
| [19:34:27] | highzeth: | I tried adding extra tuning delay & diseqc repeats, but no diff |
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| [19:34:48] | highzeth: | well, since he now is a official(?) dev, I thought that "issue" was gone? |
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| [19:36:26] | sphery: | highzeth: though he's official, his builds may have patches in them that do not exist in standard MythTV. That's all that was ever an issue. |
| [19:36:43] | sphery: | it's hard to answer why something isn't working when you don't know what's in it |
| [19:36:51] | Josh_: | why seperate jya builds? oh, I see now. |
| [19:37:12] | sphery: | highzeth: that wrong channel was to me, not you. :) |
| [19:38:05] | sphery: | highzeth: Though in your case, it sounds a lot like an NFS/CIFS configuration issue. |
| [19:38:09] | highzeth: | sphery: got that ;) I had the impression his builds where vanilla now, my bad. |
| [19:38:31] | sphery: | highzeth: have you tried unmounting your network filesystems (assuming /var/lib/mythtv/recordings is a network file system) |
| [19:39:10] | sphery: | highzeth: they may well be--I don't know details. I think they're basically trunk with a modification to allow use of any nvidia driver version |
| [19:39:13] | highzeth: | sphery: I have seen nothing in system logs to back that up, all BE's are on Gbit(Procurve) switches. Traffic floats very well between them all. |
| [19:39:16] | sphery: | but that's just a guess |
| [19:39:44] | sphery: | highzeth: by nfs configuration issue, I mean that you have attribute caching enabled |
| [19:40:14] | sphery: | still, I recommend trying to record to a local filesystem to see if it's fixed |
| [19:40:58] | sphery: | if so, then you need to fix your NFS config |
| [19:41:34] | sphery: | basically, I'm guessing it's the actimeo != 0 (and is too high) type thing |
| [19:42:27] | highzeth: | hmm is that on per default in *buntu? |
| [19:44:32] | highzeth: | http://cp.ohhh.no/p/f2a7a91ee hmmm.. |
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| [19:46:06] | highzeth: | the tuner/be & recording in question.. that dont look good at all |
| [19:47:00] | sphery: | actimeo defaults to acregmin=3 (sec), acregmax=60, acdirmin=30, acdirmax=60 |
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| [19:47:26] | sphery: | that 3 seconds is likely /way/ too high for recording (and almost definitely way too high for LiveTV) |
| [19:48:22] | sphery: | highzeth: though, from your logs, you may be getting the issue in #7381 |
| [19:48:47] | highzeth: | hmm ok, will try a lower setting and see, sadly Im leaving tommorow and will be gone for 2 months, as always my timing is great ;) |
| [19:49:01] | sphery: | (for the >0byte stuff--for 0byte recordings, that almost definitely wouldn't be the cause) |
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| [19:49:40] | sphery: | i.e. LiveTV or watching a recording in progress would likely be all that's affected by #7381 |
| [19:49:51] | sphery: | though I don't know details of #7381 |
| [19:49:58] | Hadaka: | sphery: well, in my case, there is basically never any scheduling conflicts, and there are always free recorders available – so hopefully the scheduler doesn't have too much to do in that case |
| [19:50:18] | sphery: | Hadaka: still it's a huge problem that it's trying to solve |
| [19:50:57] | sphery: | basically, if myth doesn't work right when you do that, you need to change the recording rule so it /only/ matches on shows within a short time frame (i.e. those starting in the next 24 hrs) |
| [19:51:11] | highzeth: | sphery: thanx =) |
| [19:51:21] | sphery: | or just get a much bigger backend :) |
| [19:52:17] | sphery: | highzeth: if you can't test without NFS, try at least setting actimeo=0 . It will likely make entering the Watch Recordings screen take longer, but for a one-or-two-day test, it should be bearable |
| [19:53:03] | sphery: | (actually, it might not affect Watch Recordings, but some have said it does) |
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| [19:55:55] | Dibblah: | Argh. I _hate: |
| [19:55:59] | highzeth: | phone =) |
| [19:56:24] | Dibblah: | 1. Monitors that have broken EDIDs. |
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| [19:56:37] | Dibblah: | 2. Monitors that cannot use panel native resolution. |
| [19:56:50] | Dibblah: | 3. Monitors that have NO discrete controls. |
| [19:57:02] | Dibblah: | And this one has ALL OF THE ABOVE. |
| [19:57:21] | Dibblah: | Want to turn it on? You have to know it's state. |
| [19:57:34] | Dibblah: | Want to switch to the HDMI input? You have to know it's state. |
| [19:57:36] | Dibblah: | AAAAARGH. |
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| [20:02:46] | gbee: | that sounds like a great monitor, where can I get myself one? |
| [20:03:21] | Dagmar: | Get a great big catcher's mitt and stand outside Dibblah's window |
| [20:03:29] | Dagmar: | I get the feeling it's about to go airborne |
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| [20:03:58] | Dibblah: | gbee: ebuyer. |
| [20:04:21] | Dibblah: | Along with the rest of their "many bargains, much cheapness" stuff. |
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| [20:13:40] | Dibblah: | Don't use actimeo=0, please. :( |
| [20:13:58] | Dibblah: | Every time someone uses that, god kills 14 puppies. |
| [20:17:56] | Dibblah: | (Use actimeo=1 at a minimum) |
| [20:18:32] | Dibblah: | sphery: Otherwise, on every single access the client will query for file attributes – Which makes performance really bad. |
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| [20:19:29] | sphery: | for a 2-day debug, it's the only way to ensure that attribute caching isn't the problem |
| [20:19:57] | sphery: | it's also something that was recommended for mythtv nfs config up until the "who knows" of late |
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| [20:22:52] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.10 + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Optimizing_Perform . . . File_Systems |
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| [20:33:42] | Captain_Murdoch: | actimeo=0 was only really recommended for filesystems totally dedicated to mythtv and I think that started before we had Storage Groups. users using NFS wanted LiveTV and recordings to show up immediately on the clients. now it can actually cause issues because we hit the filesystem so much and have more recordings on-screen with some newer themes (meaning more previews checked for at the same time, etc.) |
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| [20:35:04] | gbee: | just one reason why I'd advise against NFS vs storage groups |
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| [20:42:02] | sphery: | agreed |
| [20:42:16] | sphery: | but that does mean for remote backends, you have to have local storage, too |
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| [20:50:06] | Criggie: | later all |
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| [20:51:00] | luckyone: | hello all |
| [20:51:10] | luckyone: | what remotes do y'all like? |
| [20:51:50] | kormoc: | Microsoft MCE USB |
| [20:52:05] | luckyone: | works like a champ? |
| [20:52:17] | kormoc: | yup |
| [20:52:35] | mag0o: | kids make great remotes |
| [20:52:43] | ]Oscar: | I have trouble connecting a remote frontend to master backend |
| [20:52:56] | luckyone: | mag0o: lol! |
| [20:53:50] | ]Oscar: | i see a timeout after "write -> 23 21 MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 48" |
| [20:54:26] | ]Oscar: | any ideas? |
| [20:54:27] | sphery: | ]Oscar: pastebin frontend logs at -v important,general level, plese |
| [20:54:33] | ]Oscar: | ok |
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| [20:57:43] | ** Captain_Murdoch goes and puts disks in all his diskless slave backends so he doesn't have to use NFS anymore. ** | |
| [20:57:56] | roy_hobbs: | Hey, I'm having some LIRC problems. I can see output from /dev/lirc0 if I simply cat it, but the irw utility isn't giving me anything. |
| [20:58:29] | sphery: | (well, if you have a good NFS configuration, using NFS isn't bad--at least no worse than NFS in general) |
| [20:59:51] | kormoc: | roy_hobbs: so your remote config is wrong/missing/etc |
| [20:59:58] | sphery: | roy_hobbs: /dev/lirc0 is raw data on the socket, irw interprets that data using the definitions in /etc/lircd.conf, and client apps (like myth) interpret the information using the ~/.lircrc config. So, fix /etc/lircd.conf |
| [21:00:40] | roy_hobbs: | sphery: this is the command: lircd -d /dev/lirc0 -H default /usr/share/lirc/remotes/mceusb/lircd.conf.mceusb |
| [21:01:05] | roy_hobbs: | sphery: and I have the MCE IRBlaster/Remote |
| [21:01:16] | roy_hobbs: | sphery: so I don't know what other config file I'd use |
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| [21:01:43] | highzeth: | 1h phone call, oh my, Im glad thats not a daily thing |
| [21:02:30] | highzeth: | sphery: I will try actimeo=0, storage groups is not ideal in my current setup since most of the SBE's are booting from a CF/USB pen =) |
| [21:02:47] | ]Oscar: | http://pastebin.com/m5cb030d7 |
| [21:03:00] | iamlindoro: | What difference would booting from CF make in using SGs? |
| [21:03:04] | iamlindoro: | If anything it would simplify it |
| [21:03:31] | sphery: | he means having local storage on his remote backends |
| [21:03:43] | highzeth: | I might have misunderstood the concept of SG's then, so a SBE will store recordings on any SG? |
| [21:03:56] | sphery: | highzeth: make sure you only mount the mythtv recording directories with actimeo=0 |
| [21:03:58] | highzeth: | I thought it would store it on the local SG? |
| [21:04:20] | sphery: | no, he just thought you meant something else |
| [21:04:28] | highzeth: | oh ok, good =) |
| [21:04:29] | iamlindoro: | yeah, what sphery said |
| [21:04:30] | sphery: | recording (currently) requires local filesystem access |
| [21:04:58] | highzeth: | right, will give it a go ones tonights marathon is over and we'll see soon enough |
| [21:05:25] | ]Oscar: | require local filesystem: nfs is not good? |
| [21:05:59] | sphery: | ]Oscar: I like your distro's including mythfrontend --version output in the log file. Too bad, though, that they don't build properly (and lose MythTV Version : Unknown). :( |
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| [21:06:19] | highzeth: | sphery: this never happened under fixes tho, thats why I thought it might be myth related. I had actually 2 more SBE's when I ran fixes. |
| [21:06:21] | sphery: | NFS properly configured is fine |
| [21:06:38] | Seventoes: | anyone got tips for configuring xe to exit from my lirc controller? |
| [21:06:42] | sphery: | NFS is more challenging to configure for Myth usage than local fileysstems, though |
| [21:07:45] | sphery: | ]Oscar: I don't feel like reading 1114 lines of log output... any way you could get a log with /just/ -v important,general |
| [21:08:02] | sphery: | i.e. most of that is useless info at this point |
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| [21:08:14] | ]Oscar: | sorry,.. my mistake.. |
| [21:08:20] | sphery: | I can't find the haystack in the coal mine |
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| [21:08:28] | sphery: | (for all you G.I. Joe fans out there :) |
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| [21:15:12] | ]Oscar: | (i don't seen pastebin anymore.. :( ) |
| [21:16:07] | messerting: | Oh, "mythfrontend: xcb_io.c:176: process_responses: Assertion `!(req && current_request && !(((long) (req->sequence) – (long) (current_request)) <= 0))' failed." |
| [21:16:22] | messerting: | tried to play back a DVD that I created in mytharchive |
| [21:17:04] | Hadaka: | oh btw, if I upgrade my backend (and frontend) to 0.22 RC now, are there probably going to be incompatible changes before release, or just some bugfixes? |
| [21:17:46] | jya: | sphery: my trunk builds are just that... trunk, no more no less... |
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| [21:18:00] | jya: | 0.22-fixes has the new audio code in |
| [21:18:10] | ]Oscar: | http://pastebin.com/m271c58b0 |
| [21:18:21] | messerting: | I've got r22355 trunk btw |
| [21:18:34] | ]Oscar: | version shuld be MythTV Version : 22132 |
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| [21:23:10] | sphery: | jya: yeah, I was just explaining why it can be more difficult to help with "other" packages |
| [21:23:43] | jya: | the stuff about nvidia, is just how the stuff is packages, it doesn't change any of the mythtv code |
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| [21:23:57] | jya: | and it's build daily ... |
| [21:25:04] | sphery: | ]Oscar: that looks a lot like an issue in Myth that was fixed a while ago. I don't remember which rev, but if you can run an updated version, it might work fine. The current protocol version is 50, so yuo're back a ways. |
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| [21:26:28] | ]Oscar: | sphery: I got it from trunk. Can I just do an update, make & make install?, I need configure, or remove, before? |
| [21:28:24] | sphery: | you'll need at least a make clean, possibly a make distclean |
| [21:28:52] | ]Oscar: | ok. thanks a lot :) |
| [21:28:53] | sphery: | Also, do you really want to run trunk for the 0.23 development cycle? If not, you should use 0.22-fixes. |
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| [21:29:03] | sphery: | You can convert your current checkout to 0.22-fixes |
| [21:29:11] | sphery: | I can give you commands if you want them |
| [21:29:12] | ]Oscar: | oh... ok |
| [21:29:36] | ]Oscar: | the db is good the actual? |
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| [21:30:04] | sphery: | ]Oscar: Yeah, right now, the DB is good. If you keep running trunk, though, that will change. |
| [21:30:13] | sphery: | once it does, you won't be able to go back |
| [21:30:21] | sphery: | so now is a good time to switch |
| [21:30:27] | ]Oscar: | yeah :) better for me the .22-fixes :) |
| [21:32:24] | sphery: | to switch, do a "make distclean" in each directory (mythtv, mythplugins, and all the themes dirs), then: svn switch http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-22-fixes/ && rm mythtv/version.pro && find . -name 'Makefile' -delete && svn revert -R . |
| [21:33:19] | ]Oscar: | mmm I was thinking about an rm -rf .... :) |
| [21:33:51] | sphery: | that works if you don't mind waiting on the download and wasting bandwidth |
| [21:34:10] | sphery: | (both your bandwidth and the Oregon State University bandwidth that's being donated to the project :) |
| [21:34:15] | ]Oscar: | :) |
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| [21:34:35] | ]Oscar: | I'll test this new waay (new 4 me, obviously)... |
| [21:34:55] | sphery: | as long as you make distclean beforehand, it should work fine |
| [21:36:03] | sphery: | do the "svn switch ... " and all those commands in the && command line from the top of your checkout (which should be the trunk dir, but will become the release-0-22-fixes dir--not in name, but in purpose. use mv to rename it if you like) |
| [21:36:18] | ]Oscar: | sorry,.. form wich dir I should run svn? I did make distclean in /root/mythtv/trunk/mythtv |
| [21:36:44] | sphery: | perfect, then in /root/mythtv/trunk run the svn switch and the other commands |
| [21:36:56] | ]Oscar: | voila' |
| [21:36:57] | ]Oscar: | :) |
| [21:37:12] | sphery: | and thanks for saving some bandwidth :) |
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| [21:37:58] | ]Oscar: | every time I can help free/open project I'm happy :) |
| [21:43:40] | highzeth: | jya: great to know its vanilla, thanx for confirming =) |
| [21:44:30] | jya: | highzeth: only trunk is (to reinforce the message) |
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| [21:44:51] | highzeth: | understood |
| [21:46:07] | jya: | there's no reason why I would need to patch trunk, when I can commit directly ... |
| [21:47:22] | highzeth: | yeah, I couldnt find a reason for it not to be vanilla since you are a official dev =) |
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| [21:54:31] | jya: | I guess just the idea of being criticised here is so sweet I couldn't resist :) |
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| [22:30:23] | rwat: | anyone know of a 0.22 RC build for OSX? |
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| [22:31:20] | kormoc: | Nope, and there's no snow leopard builds anyway |
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| [22:34:07] | rwat: | oh well |
| [22:34:41] | rwat: | can't seem to get s-video output working very well at all on my mini using ubuntu |
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| [22:35:17] | roy_hobbs: | I'm having some LIRC problems. When running irw, I see the correct CODES when I press buttons on the remote, and when I issue the codes through irsend to my cable box, I see the indicator light flash, like the box received the signal (for all proper codes) however the box does not actually respond to the command. |
| [22:35:23] | rwat: | of course it works perfectly on OSX – that's something apple really do have sussed |
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| [22:39:27] | kormoc: | roy_hobbs: did you setup the lirc conf for myth? |
| [22:40:17] | roy_hobbs: | kormoc: i'm just running irsend directly |
| [22:40:38] | kormoc: | ooh, transmitting |
| [22:40:43] | roy_hobbs: | kormoc: i figure if i can't get that to work, then no use in trying to configure myth properly |
| [22:43:02] | tmkt: | why in Terra does the Delete Recordings choice |
| [22:43:07] | tmkt: | just bring you to the same thing as watch recordings? |
| [22:43:55] | tmkt: | also why does it take mythfrondend 2–3 minutes to start respoding to my remote when i first start it up? |
| [22:44:08] | kormoc: | Because it's a bit hung over |
| [22:44:26] | tmkt: | roy i have the same problem..but the remote works 2–3 minutes after frontend has begun |
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| [22:44:48] | kormoc: | tmkt: I doubt it, he's talking about using a ir blaster, you're talking about a ir receiver |
| [22:44:56] | tmkt: | ah |
| [22:45:11] | tmkt: | saw the irw part |
| [22:45:14] | tmkt: | thought it was the same issue |
| [22:45:37] | tmkt: | since irw works fine...just fe takes time to notice that ir is there |
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| [23:00:09] | sphery: | tmkt: There's no point to having a separate Delete Recordings page as now all the functionality available in Delete Recordings is also available in Watch Recordings. In spite of what http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7336 may say. |
| [23:00:41] | iamlindoro: | Love it when people manage to turn some random users list post into a way to spin their political agenda |
| [23:00:51] | sphery: | which one? |
| [23:00:52] | iamlindoro: | that takes work |
| [23:01:00] | iamlindoro: | The firewire partial lock thread, just now |
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| [23:02:55] | sphery: | the arguing about whether DST has ended or not (or, as some are saying incorrectly--whether "DST occurred") is also getting annoying |
| [23:03:28] | iamlindoro: | That one is annoying because of all the righteous indignation |
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| [23:03:40] | sphery: | and the fact that people are saying Myth can't handle DST is just plain annoying |
| [23:03:46] | sphery: | as it can and has for me for years |
| [23:04:04] | iamlindoro: | But but but I heard it crashes your backend and erases all your media! |
| [23:04:10] | Dibblah: | It handles DST _incorrectly_. |
| [23:04:22] | Dibblah: | It has done for... Some time. |
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| [23:05:47] | smithna: | Hi... I know this has to be a simple problem, but my remote stopped working on a recent update. LIRC is working fine (checked by using irw, which prints the expected commands fine). However, mythfrontend is printing this error message: |
| [23:05:57] | smithna: | LIRC, Error: Failed to connect to Unix socket '/dev/lircd' |
| [23:06:09] | Dibblah: | ie there's no way to represent the programs properly over a DST change. |
| [23:06:20] | smithna: | the dev that is created is /dev/lirc/0 |
| [23:06:35] | Dibblah: | smithna: You upgraded LIRC past where they moved /dev/lircd/ |
| [23:06:52] | Dibblah: | /dev/lircd, even. |
| [23:07:06] | iamlindoro: | smithna, Utilties/Setup->Setup->General, last page |
| [23:07:13] | iamlindoro: | "LIRC Daemon Socket:" |
| [23:07:23] | Dibblah: | http://xbmc.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-55894.html |
| [23:07:37] | ** smithna goes to tv to check this out ** | |
| [23:07:38] | Dibblah: | /var/run/lirc/lircd |
| [23:07:47] | Dibblah: | _probably_ |
| [23:08:10] | iamlindoro: | Dibblah, Ewwww, yucky :) |
| [23:08:19] | Dibblah: | Yeah, I know. But the first google result :) |
| [23:08:35] | ** iamlindoro just works here ** | |
| [23:11:36] | sphery: | Dibblah: It may handle DST "incorrectly" with the design we inherited, but until /someone/ writes a patch that changes all time usage in MythTV, mythconverg, the Myth protocol, ... to UTC, we get what we inherited. But, it works fine as long as you recognize the limitations and properly plan for them with an appropriate recording rule for the few episodes of shows that have some intra-changeover portion. |
| [23:12:28] | sphery: | *every* DST change, I purposefully record some garbage show that's being broadcast around the 2:00am timeframe just to prove that it still works. |
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| [23:12:33] | sphery: | it's has /never/ once failed to work for me |
| [23:12:40] | iamlindoro: | I've always been a little dismayed at all the noise made about it-- in theory it should only potentially affect those programs directly around the switchover, right? |
| [23:12:49] | sphery: | (however, I /do/ have to use start early/end late appropriately) |
| [23:13:06] | ** iamlindoro wonders if other locales actually have worthwhile programming on at 2 AM :) ** | |
| [23:13:25] | sphery: | iamlindoro: exactly--it has absolutely no impact on anything except shows with some part inside the "ambiguous" time specification |
| [23:13:57] | ** smithna knew it was a simple fix.... Thanks Dibblah & iamlindoro ** | |
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| [23:14:03] | sphery: | so, for this upcoming change in the US, a show that has some part between 2:00am daylight time and 2:00am standard time |
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| [23:14:07] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [23:15:42] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
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| [23:16:00] | Dibblah: | It's on the "would be great to fix, given infinite time" list :( |
| [23:16:07] | sphery: | exactly |
| [23:17:06] | kormoc: | I think a large majority of the noise is from people with PST8PDT timezones, they don't match 'reality' |
| [23:17:11] | kormoc: | (for the US) |
| [23:17:29] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, that could well be, too |
| [23:18:09] | sphery: | and for 0.21-fixes and below, ones that mix and match (with America/Los_Angeles on one and PST8PDT on another) |
| [23:18:35] | sphery: | where the PST8PDT may be an old PST8PDT (pre 2007) that differs from America/Los_Angeles |
| [23:18:41] | sphery: | or vice versa |
| [23:19:21] | kormoc: | The last time I had a DST issue was when I had my box set to America/Vancouver and they were staggered a week or so off of us |
| [23:20:25] | sphery: | you just wanted to be more like mesh e... An AmeriCANadian. |
| [23:20:47] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [23:21:52] | iamlindoro: | sphery, <channeling mailing list> You know, that's just the kind of predictable crap I expect from you arrogant americans |
| [23:22:31] | sphery: | kormoc: since you're a SQL-expert, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . eck.cpp#L605 creates both a primary key and a non-primary unique key for the single column recgroup, right? They're redundant, right? (refs http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7436 ) |
| [23:23:10] | sphery: | iamlindoro: heh, yeah |
| [23:23:10] | kormoc: | yes, they are |
| [23:23:22] | sphery: | ok, so just remove the UNIQUE part, right? |
| [23:23:27] | kormoc: | yup |
| [23:24:01] | ** sphery is doing a full audit of keys and removing dups (was on my list, but now that someone had to make a ticket--and tell the world to mess with their schemas--I figure I should just do it) ** | |
| [23:24:09] | sphery: | it's not the only one in there |
| [23:24:49] | Dibblah: | <hopeful> Normalisation? </hopeful> |
| [23:25:17] | sphery: | I'm only taking out the redundant indices |
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| [23:25:23] | Dibblah: | Aww :( |
| [23:25:45] | sphery: | I'll leave the DBA stuff to someone with the proper experience/knowledge :) |
| [23:25:52] | Dibblah: | I can't see where you would start with proper normalisation. |
| [23:25:56] | sphery: | or DBD? |
| [23:26:09] | Dibblah: | I see specific instances where it's definitely wrong – seektable, for example. |
| [23:26:24] | Dibblah: | And recorded |
| [23:26:33] | sphery: | my hope is to get embedded mysql soon so that people don't do as much messing with the DB/schema |
| [23:26:49] | Dibblah: | ... Thought that just didn't cope with the BUQ? |
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| [23:27:19] | sphery: | Dibblah: you mean just because of the semantic change of starttime and progstart |
| [23:27:32] | sphery: | embedded mysql should--it's sqlite that doesn't |
| [23:27:34] | paul3v: | Lol I hated db classes, I'm still attempting to rid myself of my db book from college |
| [23:27:53] | sphery: | paul3v: you could use it as kindling to start the great framegrabber bonfire |
| [23:28:30] | paul3v: | heh :) |
| [23:28:48] | Dibblah: | No, I mean chanid / starttime for every single row, rather than a programID. |
| [23:29:23] | paul3v: | I remember having to put database schema in boyce-cott normal form arrrg |
| [23:29:26] | sphery: | Dibblah: ah, yeah--that one Captain_Murdoch is working on as part of the "make MythTV and MythVideo share programinfo" change |
| [23:29:56] | Dibblah: | That's only one very small example – But it's replicated everywhere. |
| [23:30:17] | paul3v: | I can appreciate the usefulness, but was never my thing |
| [23:30:40] | Dibblah: | Normalisation (done properly) is an artform. |
| [23:30:45] | sphery: | yeah, we still need a unique key on those values (as Myth is designed such that they must be unique), but switching PK to an id column makes it much better/easier to use |
| [23:30:50] | Dibblah: | As is any db design. |
| [23:30:59] | paul3v: | I always thought it was a bit of art and science |
| [23:31:23] | sphery: | I think of it as science like my local alchemist does |
| [23:32:06] | paul3v: | I'd much rather be developing drivers or something, but good thing there are some people who like db work |
| [23:33:11] | sphery: | kormoc: you wouldn't happen to know of a good way to drop an index that may or may not exist, would you? Hoping for something a little easier than SHOW INDEXES FROM .../parse data/determine whether to execute ALTER TABLE ... DROP INDEX |
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| [23:36:39] | kormoc: | Sadly there's not |
| [23:36:45] | sphery: | :( |
| [23:36:58] | sphery: | maybe I should just make it work only for those users who don't mess with their schemas |
| [23:38:13] | sphery: | how much do we have to cater to people who change their schemas, anyway... |
| [23:38:17] | kormoc: | Yeah, there can't be that many of them |
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| [23:39:15] | sphery: | Could always commit with, "If anyone dropped any of these redundant indices, you'll need to recreate them before upgrading." :) |
| [23:41:07] | kormoc: | Exactly! Casue if they're mucking with the database schema, they're reading the commit logs! |
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| [23:45:25] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: seems 'raptor jr' deserves to go on the burn list |
| [23:45:39] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [23:45:49] | wagnerrp: | not because hes the one causing problems in that thread |
| [23:46:12] | wagnerrp: | rather he keep restarting the thread with his 'in-reply-to'less replies |
| [23:46:41] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if thats hotmail, or microsoft behavior in general |
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