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Friday, October 16th, 2009, 00:02 UTC

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mzb:

must have blinked and missed the release ;)

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** mzb plans to slide off trunk and perch on 0.22 ;) **

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iamlindoro:

mzb, You didn't miss it, it hasn't happened

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mzb:

ah ... huh?

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iamlindoro:

release candidate, no release

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mzb:

I can see this, though: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/release-0-22-fixes

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iamlindoro:

yeah, that's the branch... not a release

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mzb:

difference?

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iamlindoro:

The above isn't finished?

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mzb:

ok

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iamlindoro:

and still has more fixes to to before being released

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iamlindoro:

er to go

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mzb:

sure

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mzb:

so a "branch in progress" then ;) ?

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mzb:

(not strong enough to stand on yet;))

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iamlindoro:

It's branched, just not release

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iamlindoro:

if you're running trunk and want to end up on stable, you want to switch to the branch

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mzb:

yes

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iamlindoro:

It's released when it ends up here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/tags

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mzb:

ok

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mzb:

nm, got heaps to do in the blue room while I wait

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iamlindoro:

Heh, Myth on geektonic

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: at least theyre using an actual screenshot from a mythui theme

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, According to the comments, they weren't :)

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wagnerrp:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

yeah, changed 20 minutes ago

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iamlindoro:

wonder what it was

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iamlindoro:

Maybe the demo theme or the thing from the MythUI page? (he links the MythUI page)

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iamlindoro:

hope it wasn't the demo theme, that would have made us just look like rip off artists

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wagnerrp:

'but... it just looks like everyone else...'

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kormoc:

woah, what theme is http://www.muylinux.com/2009/10/15/mythtv-0-22-rc-disponible/ ?

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iamlindoro:

Mythbuntu

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kormoc:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

hence the gnome toolbar at the top

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iamlindoro:

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iamlindoro:

MythUI being a link to the theme development guide

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iamlindoro:

Look, I documented it en forma completa! ;)

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wagnerrp:

why is it showing a cover for 'mental', with the show 'numbers'?

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iamlindoro:

not a cover, preview image

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iamlindoro:

so someone ran it with a bunch of preroll or their listings were wrong

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wagnerrp:

ah

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iamlindoro:

Or maybe postroll, and they hit enter to exit, setting a bookmark

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iamlindoro:

s/enter to/enter before/

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kormoc:

jst_home: hello?

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wagnerrp:

stop throwing your eyes at people

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volaree:

wtf!! anything freaking worth tunning??

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volaree:

yawn, vampire diaries, white house latino party...

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Crypia:

Hello – what causes defunct/zombied processes? I'm seeing about seven of these all the time lately --> [mythfrontend] <defunct>

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wagnerrp:

awesome! ive recorded 85KB of fringe

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wagnerrp:

Crypia: usually means they have terminated, but their IO is still open by some other program

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Crypia:

wagnerrp: any suggestions? Maybe I'm asking for trouble by running trunk, but I've been updating almost daily

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EnderTheThird:

Should a 7200 rpm HDD be able to handle recording 4 shows simultaneously?

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wagnerrp:

a 7200rpm drive is going to run anywhere from 40–140MB/s depending on size and position

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wagnerrp:

a recording is going to consume anywhere from 0.5–3MB/s depending on resolution and source

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EnderTheThird:

K, I thought so. I worked it out and I'm probably only recording ~6–7 MB/s between the 4 channels.

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EnderTheThird:

I keep getting sound problems with my recordings.

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wagnerrp:

ATSC recordings are probably going to average about 2MB/s

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wagnerrp:

maybe less if theyre being recompressed to fit additional subchannels

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EnderTheThird:

Seems to only be recordings though. Watching the same show live and I'm not getting audio beeps like I do with the recording.

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EnderTheThird:

Trying to check if it's a problem with one of my tuners.

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EnderTheThird:

Is there a way to ID which tuner recorded something?

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wagnerrp:

not post recording, i dont think

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EnderTheThird:

Alright. Guess I'll need to wait until the tuner is free to see if it's just one of them acting up.

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EnderTheThird:

Which would be a bummer cause I just bought a 4th. Had I known #3 would go to crap, I'd have bought another dual tuner instead.

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hednod:

strange...

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hednod:

mythtv loads fine by itself.. but if i load ratpoison or fluxbox with it, it shows caching theme.. but then never displays the menu

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mchou:

EnderTheThird: which brand of tuners died on you?

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wagnerrp:

he doesnt know, one is just getting glitchy reception

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EnderTheThird:

mchou: Haven't confirmed it yet, but if one died, it's a Pinnacle one.

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EnderTheThird:

800i

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mchou:

wow

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mchou:

how did that happen

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EnderTheThird:

If that's the case, it's been going strong for quite some time. I wonder if my new tuner is causing trouble with that one though. I added a 4th one about a month ago, an AverMedia A180

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mchou:

when you say died, totally dead or just bad reception?

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EnderTheThird:

Audio beeps and artifacts that aren't there when I tuned the same channel live with another tuner.

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EnderTheThird:

I'm waiting until Fringe stops recording, then I'm going to have it record another channel for 5–10 min to see if it's there, as well as tune that channel live with that tuner

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mchou:

If all this started when you added 4th tuner I'd say interrupt steering on your mobo is suspect

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mchou:

cat /proc/interrupts will show tuner interrupt conflicts

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, I won't go off ordering another tuner quite yet. I'll try switching around PCI slots too. I have a PVR 500 in there that's not even being used anymore.

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mchou:

800i doesn't like to share interrupts with anything else

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EnderTheThird:

mchou: anything specific I'd be looking for with cat?

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mchou:

just pastebin it

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EnderTheThird:

http://pastebin.ca/1623176

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mchou:

umm, that's weird

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mchou:

how many pinnacle card you got in the comp?

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mchou:

cards*

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EnderTheThird:

One.

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EnderTheThird:

Have an HDHR, Pinnacle 800i, and the AverMedia A180

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EnderTheThird:

Though I do have an old PVR500 in there still, which might be causing trouble.

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mchou:

line 10 looks weird

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EnderTheThird:

I'm going to remove that after my recordings finish tonight.

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mchou:

I dont have two instances of cx88 on my be

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EnderTheThird:

I think I remember some people reporting trouble with 800i & PVR 500 on the Wiki, but I never experienced anything. Checking into that now.

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wolfspirit:

I installed mythbuntu 9.10 beta (I used to have 9.04) and I can't scan any channels. With this new version it's locking me into a specific channel range based on the source. I usually choose cable high (I have basic HD cable) and was able to get the HD channels (example 5–1, 9–1, etc.) but can no longer get those. How do I get it to scan all channels and not be locked into a range?

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EnderTheThird:

wolfspirit: what version does Karmic have in there?

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EnderTheThird:

Err, Mythbuntu 9.10. Same thing,

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wolfspirit:

0.22.20090928–1

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EnderTheThird:

mchou: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Pinnacle_PCTV_HD_C . . . le_Conflicts Might explain it. I'll get rid of that card when the monster's done recording tonight, heh.

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mchou:

that's only if you care about grabbing analog

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mchou:

hopefully you are beyond that now

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wolfspirit:

mchou: you talking to me?

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EnderTheThird:

Ha, very beyond that.

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mchou:

EnderTheThird: your cite has nothing to do with your breakup issues

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mchou:

that's all about cx88-alsa

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EnderTheThird:

Though I'm still hanging onto my PVR500 for absolutely no reason. SHould throw it on ebay or something.

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mchou:

you never know. Comcast DTA can screw you :)

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volaree:

uh? the pctv hd 800 is pretty good.

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wolfspirit:

I have the 5000

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volaree:

err.. not pchd but pctv hd lol

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EnderTheThird:

Hmmm, think the 800i is the problems. Getting the same trouble on another channel recording with that tuner. Whether it's hardware or setup I'm not sure.

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mchou:

EnderTheThird: remove all other tuners first

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah. Still recording The Mentalist so I can't do that yet.

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mchou:

driver may be in a funky state

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EnderTheThird:

I thought it was a problem with my FOX station out here until it showed up on a CW recording.

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mchou:

volaree: accept no substitutes

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mchou:

EnderTheThird: you should also make sure your signal didnt degrade

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mchou:

it's not out of the question

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volaree:

EnderTheThird: do you have the latest firmware?

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EnderTheThird:

I'll remove the extra tuner and see if that helps.

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EnderTheThird:

I'm using an amp to supply all of my tuners. I'm in an apt and they usually split that stuff 6 ways to hell and back.

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volaree:

the i800 really shines with 2.6.31 and the new firmware

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mchou:

shines? it shone way before that

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wolfspirit:

actually... if I could just get "fetch channels from listing source" working that would be awesome. every time I click on that though it just blinks for a second on the screen and doesn't try to load anything even though it says (this can take a long time to run)

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, I was a fan of it. Cheap little guy too.

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volaree:

EnderTheThird: which one do you reccomend?

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mchou:

EnderTheThird: you could alway put that POS hvr-1600 back in there :)

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EnderTheThird:

dvb-fe-xc5000–1.6.114.fw from back in May, right?

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mchou:

always*

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EnderTheThird:

Don't have an HVR-1600.

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mchou:

EnderTheThird: yeah, but you did at one point, iirc :)

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EnderTheThird:

I think I tried that before I got the 800i, but returned it because it was indeed a POS :-)

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EnderTheThird:

You do RC.

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mchou:

indeedy

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EnderTheThird:

volaree: I love my HDHR.

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EnderTheThird:

A little pricey, but it's nice to not have to hog PCI slots. The IR forwarding is nice too.

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EnderTheThird:

Apologies for the split infinitive, heh.

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wagnerrp:

i dont really understand the purpose of the ir forwarding

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EnderTheThird:

I have the tuner in my living room with my main BE/FE. I have a USB IR receiver, but I have that in my bedroom instead.

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EnderTheThird:

It's useful if you have the tuner in the viewing room. Not so handy if you toss it in a corner/closet with your BE or something though.

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wagnerrp:

the whole point of the HDHR is that you can put it where it is more conducive to run cable

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wagnerrp:

you dont need it in your living room

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EnderTheThird:

When I buy a house in 10 years, I'll probably lock all of that stuff up in a closet.

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EnderTheThird:

But in my apt, the IR forwarding is very convenient.

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EnderTheThird:

A well-ventilated closet though, of course.

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EnderTheThird:

800i is $70 now. Wow.

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wagnerrp:

it was always that much, there were just very frequent rebates and sales that dropped it to $25

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, I think I got a refurbished one when I got mine.

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volaree:

I got for $50 or something

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, I just checked. $37 from eBay a while back. Not bad.

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mchou:

I've seen it as low as $12

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volaree:

it's quite old.

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mchou:

$12 was b4 hauppauge bought them out

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EnderTheThird:

I wonder if Karmic will work with my spdif out on my Myth box so I don't need to keep recompiling alsa each kernel upgrade.

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EnderTheThird:

ASUS P5Q SE PLUS if anyone has it?

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mchou:

but if you see 800i for anywhere arond $30, jump on it

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mchou:

around*

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EnderTheThird:

At least none of the messed up recordings were shows that I archive.

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netrix_:

i have three messed up recordings i want to delete. they show up in recorded programs under the group _NO_TITLE_ with the name _NO_TITLE_.

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netrix_:

i found them in the database. can i simply delete these rows i the recorded table?

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netrix_:

btw, i can't delete them from the frontend

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netrix_:

or mythweb.

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wagnerrp:

why not?

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netrix_:

well in the frontend end when i hit delete nothing happens.

[03:00:58]

wagnerrp:

have you hit 'd'?

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netrix_:

in mythweb the recordings drop down is messed up and stuck on one that says "(3 episodes) " with no name.

[03:01:20]

netrix_:

um ... no using the menu. let me try 'd'.

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Wicked:

i have a pvr-150 and im using that for my remote and blaster....in mythttv now when in a text box i cant bring up the on screen keyboard by hitting enter. how do i do it now?

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netrix_:

okay, same as using the menu. when i say yes really delete it, it's still there.

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Wicked:

also on one of my movies in the video manager the picture it uses for the folder did not download fully or something as the picture is half there then half scrambled...and i couldnt figure out how to clear everything and have it retry to download the picture

[03:03:46]

netrix_:

after i press 'yes, delete it' it says 'error recorded file does not exist.' then i can click yes, delete it again but the program remains. therefore iw as thinking of removing it from the db.

[03:05:56]

netrix_:

in the recorded table i found three rows (I have three _NO_TITLE_ shows) that have nothing in the subtitle and title. i am sure these are them since the date and times match. so i was thinking i could turf these three rows.

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tmkt:

anyone know where i can find a c opy of the gmythmovies.pl that works for canada?

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thrashdude:

Problem building the latest svn

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thrashdude:

ERROR: libx264 not found

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thrashdude:

ls /usr/lib64/libx264.*

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kormoc:

So install libx264?

[06:03:14]

thrashdude:

lol

[06:03:14]

thrashdude:

it

[06:03:15]

thrashdude:

is

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thrashdude:

/usr/lib64/libx264.a /usr/lib64/libx264.so

[06:03:30]

thrashdude:

/usr/lib64/libx264.so.77*

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kormoc:

so instlal the dev headers so you can compile things with it?

[06:03:40]

kormoc:

pasting random files won't fix anything...

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thrashdude:

mplayer and ffmpeg both compile against it

[06:03:55]

wagnerrp:

manually add the linker path, because configure doesnt seem to be setting it properly?

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kormoc:

welp, I guess your ldd needs a spanking, as it's a naughty naughty linker

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thrashdude:

lol

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justinh:

tmkt: you should be able to use any google movies script. I've got one lying around somewhere but it only works properly on certain versions of perl

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wagnerrp:

try the command that failed, with an added '-L/usr/lib64'

[06:04:39]

justinh:

well I mean any *mythtv* google movies script ;-)

[06:05:05]

thrashdude:

giving it a go

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justinh:

tmkt: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/scripts/google.txt – had to rename it cos the host doesn't allow perl :-\

[06:06:56]

justinh:

tmkt: no idea if it still works

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iamlindoro:

Ummmmm do NOT build myth with --enable-libx264

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justinh:

mythtv != ffmpeg

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iamlindoro:

there's a reason ./configure --help doesn't show it as an option

[06:07:36]

iamlindoro:

because it's NOT

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iamlindoro:

Just because you can force feed it ffmpeg options like a fatty goose doesn't mean it works

[06:08:02]

wagnerrp:

erm... yeah, there is that too

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justinh:

seen this before haven't we

[06:08:09]

justinh:

:)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv cannot encode to h264, and x264 does not decode

[06:08:29]

iamlindoro:

yup, useless command line option

[06:08:36]

iamlindoro:

unless you consider breaking compilation useful

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justinh:

it's configure's fault for allowing users to put daft options in :P

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iamlindoro:

./configure --get-me-a-cold-one won't work either

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iamlindoro:

must be configure's fault

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justinh:

so, the question "can a kid called Falcon actually fly?" will have to remain unanswered

[06:10:56]

iamlindoro:

I'm sure he can fly

[06:11:00]

iamlindoro:

duration is the real issue

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justinh:

lol

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wagnerrp:

he just has a poor glide ratio

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justinh:

heh that oogle scripticle still works. amazing

[06:13:51]

EnderTheThird:

How accurate is the S/N ratio given in Myth when tuning channels?

[06:14:11]

iamlindoro:

Myth doesn't provide it

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iamlindoro:

your driver does

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iamlindoro:

thus, it varies

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wagnerrp:

normally with poor accuracy

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justinh:

always looks way different to what femon et al report though

[06:15:08]

EnderTheThird:

Ah, I see. Either way, it's showing me 2–4 dB most of the time. Shouldn't it be much higher (if it's even accurate)?

[06:15:15]

thrashdude:

reverted x264 to an older version (20090409) compiles fine

[06:15:16]

EnderTheThird:

I think my TV shows somewhere around 30 dB.

[06:15:26]

iamlindoro:

thrashdude, do *not* use --enable-libx264

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justinh:

IMHO the kind of info mythtv shows should be more like femon

[06:15:36]

wagnerrp:

thrashdude: see above, mythtv cannot use x264

[06:15:43]

iamlindoro:

It adds nothing to myth whatsoever, cannot be used in the least, can do NOTHING but prevent you compiling

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thrashdude:

I read that

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justinh:

thrashdude: but ignored it?

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iamlindoro:

yup

[06:16:02]

thrashdude:

did not have it in there

[06:16:16]

iamlindoro:

you most definitely did

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justinh:

mythtv doesn't depend on libx264

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thrashdude:

though reading configure, configure checks for libx264 => so.65

[06:16:30]

EnderTheThird:

I tried to track down my sound problems with my tuners but no luck. Kept getting mixed results with different PCI slots, cables, etc.

[06:16:35]

iamlindoro:

no, it doesn't

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justinh:

thrashdude: sure you're talking about mythtv here?

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justinh:

EnderTheThird: signal level issues? How many tuners fed from one unamplified coax?

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thrashdude:

line 30999

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thrashdude:

{ check_cpp_condition x264.h "X264_BUILD >= 65" ||

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thrashdude:

die "ERROR: libx264 version must be >= 0.65."; }

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EnderTheThird:

Have the inlet into my apt, which is split in 2: 1 straight to TV, other to amp that supplies all 4 of my Myth tuners.

[06:18:15]

iamlindoro:

You mean in the section from UPSTREAM that is INTENTIONALLY PREVENTED from displaying?

[06:18:25]

iamlindoro:

that ONLY becomes active if you pass it the config flag...

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iamlindoro:

Myth

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iamlindoro:

does

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iamlindoro:

not

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iamlindoro:

use

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iamlindoro:

libx264

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kormoc:

thrashdude: given the mythtv configure is only 4318 lines long, 30999 seems unlikely, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/configure#L4318

[06:18:49]

iamlindoro:

nor does it check for it unless you try to enable it

[06:19:04]

EnderTheThird:

justinh: so I shouldn't be getting signal strength issues. Only thing I can think is that I'm getting some sort of interference within my mess of cables there.

[06:19:08]

justinh:

it would ONLY be relevant if you're trying to make mythtv encode to h.264 with software encoding & transcoding

[06:19:17]

iamlindoro:

But what the eff do we know, we're only Myth devs

[06:19:21]

thrashdude:

then what configure am I reading?

[06:19:22]

justinh:

but then you'd have to know what you were doing :P

[06:19:27]

thrashdude:

hold on I'll get the svn link

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iamlindoro:

he added an extra 9

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iamlindoro:

3099

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** kormoc linked him to the svn configure **

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justinh:

thrashdude: why are you trying to enable it?

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iamlindoro:

all the same, everything I've said above is true

[06:19:43]

kormoc:

ahh

[06:19:57]

EnderTheThird:

Speaking of which, iamlindoro, congrats to all of you guys on the 0.22 RC. I've been using SVN for a while now, but it's nice to see an update at the mythtv.org website, heh

[06:19:58]

iamlindoro:

But again, what do three myth devs know about anything?

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: quick! Remove it from the configure, drive him crazy!

[06:20:12]

justinh:

the --help option in configure tells you which are valid options to use

[06:20:14]

iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird, thanks, long road :)

[06:20:25]

justinh:

all the *sane* options are listed there

[06:20:39]

iamlindoro:

note the comment about 3099

[06:20:41]

iamlindoro:

# these are off by default, so fail if requested and not available

[06:20:55]

iamlindoro:

off by default-- that code is ONLY tripped if you use options that are not valid

[06:21:13]

iamlindoro:

such gems as...

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iamlindoro:

--enable-libx264

[06:21:19]

iamlindoro:

--enable-libxvid

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iamlindoro:

etc.

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thrashdude:

don't know (no doubt most likely PEBKAC)

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justinh:

like I said the only way somebody would want to play with that stuff is if they're trying to get xvid, x264 encoding shoehorned into transcoders & recording classes

[06:21:44]

thrashdude:

reverting x264 to older version and myth is updating now ;)

[06:21:59]

justinh:

WHY did you try enabling it?

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kormoc:

Congratz, you wasted a pile of time for no reason at all1

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iamlindoro:

or just strip out the illegal config options...

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: not a problem. I appreciate your guys' work. If nothing else, screwing with SVN always gives me an excuse not to study, heh

[06:22:26]

iamlindoro:

alcohol is a much healthier excuse not to study

[06:22:32]

justinh:

and girls :)

[06:22:35]

iamlindoro:

it's what made kormoc the captain of industry he is today

[06:22:36]

kormoc:

%s/healthier/funner

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** kormoc stands proud like, on a pile of potatoes **

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justinh:

better for the soul :)

[06:23:40]

EnderTheThird:

Ha, a fine point. Trying to fix my tuners is way more fun than immunology though.

[06:24:04]

iamlindoro:

safe sex is a real life study in immunology

[06:24:10]

iamlindoro:

but so is unsafe sex, technically

[06:24:16]

EnderTheThird:

Argh, my channels keep getting sound beeps that sound like they're from Joust on the old Atari!

[06:24:18]

thrashdude:

just for shits and giggles, I enabled a slew of "hidden" options in configure,

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thrashdude:

lame xvid, faac ...

[06:24:25]

justinh:

can also be a study in chemistry

[06:24:27]

thrashdude:

works fine

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wagnerrp:

immunology? arent you supposed to be on the talk circuit?

[06:24:31]

justinh:

dosage, strength..

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iamlindoro:

thrashdude, You really don't quit, do you?

[06:24:49]

justinh:

thrashdude: they're *hidden* for good reason

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iamlindoro:

It *can*, through a narrow set of circumstances, compile successfully with them

[06:24:55]

yohan_:

sups

[06:25:03]

EnderTheThird:

wagnerrp: Talk circuit? What?

[06:25:03]

** kormoc gives thrashdude the close all future bug reports as won't fix award of the day **

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iamlindoro:

but it ADDS nothing and the only thing it serves to do is BREAK your compile if you are not within those circumstances

[06:25:15]

thrashdude:

thanks kormoc ;)

[06:25:22]

justinh:

to stop retarded people failing to build mythtv

[06:25:41]

thrashdude:

iamlindoro – xvid lame ... did not break compile

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** wagnerrp wonders if EnderTheThird knows what his name is in reference to **

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kormoc:

And this serves as the first reason to remove all those options from the configure script

[06:25:56]

iamlindoro:

thrashdude, are you even half listening?

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kormoc:

thrashdude: whoo, you happened to have done nothing, as we don't import those symbols...

[06:26:16]

thrashdude:

kormoc that's the point isn't it?

[06:26:18]

EnderTheThird:

wagnerrp: Of course, read that book in like 6th or 7th grade.

[06:26:21]

iamlindoro:

If you HAVE the required libraries, it will complete compiling, but bloat your libraries for NO GAIN

[06:26:38]

thrashdude:

the point to remove the options that is

[06:26:43]

iamlindoro:

If you miss even one of them, it will break your compile over linking against a library that isn't even CALLED in myth

[06:27:00]

thrashdude:

thanks for explaining <iamlindoro>

[06:27:00]

justinh:

well not yet anyway :)

[06:27:41]

iamlindoro:

you know where they don't put up with this kind of crap?

[06:27:42]

justinh:

seen that Miro 'adopt a line of code' schtick?

[06:27:42]

iamlindoro:

ffmpeg

[06:27:46]

iamlindoro:

I like them there

[06:27:52]

wagnerrp:

EnderTheThird: so then you understand the meaning when i say youre on the 'talk circuit'?

[06:28:10]

iamlindoro:

I need to get myself some ops up in here, because I would be a *tyrant*

[06:28:34]

justinh:

iamlindoro: I heard they don't even allow you in unless you solve a quadratic equation

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yohan_:

Hey, I Just installed MythTV for the first time on Ubuntu Jaunty, I have it playing TV right now but the playback skips – its not smooth, same thing with TVTime, I have an eVga Geforce 7800 GTX with latest drivers and for Tv Tuner a WinTV GO Conexant 878 chipset

[06:28:52]

yohan_:

anything I can do to smooth out playback ?

[06:28:55]

iamlindoro:

justinh, done and done

[06:29:01]

wagnerrp:

buy an mpeg encoder?

[06:29:13]

EnderTheThird:

wagnerrp: Don't recall anything in the book about that, unless OSC is on a talk circuit or something right now

[06:29:15]

justinh:

tvtime skips? WTF?!

[06:29:50]

wagnerrp:

EnderTheThird: you wasted a species, so you roam the universe talking on their behalf

[06:29:53]

wagnerrp:

ugh....

[06:30:14]

iamlindoro:

Doesn't it turn out way thereafter that they're still alive?

[06:30:17]

iamlindoro:

He saves the queen, right?

[06:30:29]

iamlindoro:

and then they turn up a few books later

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EnderTheThird:

Ahhh, my bad. It's been a long week, heh. My bad. I thought maybe you were referring to OSC... my bro said he was on NPR not too long ago talking about a comic version of Ender's Game or some such

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iamlindoro:

Orson Scott Card is a lunatic

[06:30:46]

wagnerrp:

he finds an egg, so hes also roaming the universe looking for a place to drop them off

[06:31:07]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Pretty sure in the fourth book or so they end up cohabitating with humans on a planet

[06:31:09]

wagnerrp:

yeah, the latter books got quite a bit preachy

[06:31:19]

EnderTheThird:

Only book the buggers are ever gone are in the Shadow series. They (or at least the queen/egg) are present in all of the Ender books.

[06:31:30]

wagnerrp:

old roommate was an OSC addict, made me read them

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yohan_:

justinh: .... ?

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EnderTheThird:

Only books I've ever been able to get my one brother to read were the Alvin Maker series.

[06:32:05]

iamlindoro:

He wrote a xbox game that was halfway decent and they pimped the crap out of... but sold horribly so the game ends in a cliffhanger and that was that

[06:32:08]

wagnerrp:

yohan_: tvtime pumps video straight from the tuner card into the video card, and onto the tv

[06:32:15]

wagnerrp:

if tvtime is hosed, your tuner is hosed

[06:32:23]

justinh:

yohan_: you said mythtv skips & tvtime was the same

[06:32:30]

wagnerrp:

and besides, its a framegrabber, and should go die in a fire

[06:32:39]

EnderTheThird:

Advent Rising! Oh wow, I loved that story. Game had some serious problems (mostly framerate issues), but it had some potential.

[06:32:42]

wagnerrp:

go find an mpeg encoder (PVR-150/500) off ebay

[06:32:45]

kormoc:

FIRE!

[06:32:49]

** kormoc looks around excitedly **

[06:32:50]

EnderTheThird:

Always pissed me off that they didn't complete that trilogy like they'd planned.

[06:32:51]

justinh:

HEHEHEHEHEH FIRE

[06:32:55]

yohan_:

yea, the playback is fine in any of the windows apps i have ..

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justinh:

HEHEHEHH COOL

[06:33:00]

wagnerrp:

and toss the GTX for something a bit less power consuming

[06:33:07]

iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird, yeah, ending was a ttoal cliffhanger

[06:33:12]

wagnerrp:

you have no need for that kind of power in a myth box

[06:33:29]

iamlindoro:

thing that reminded me most of it (like, REALLY close ending/storyline) is Mass Effect

[06:33:32]

iamlindoro:

which I also adore

[06:33:40]

[Peter]:

wagnerrp: perhaps it's not a dedicated mythbox? :)

[06:33:41]

justinh:

for *recording* teevees in linux, framegrabber tuner cards like yours are *sub* *optimal*

[06:33:41]

iamlindoro:

Very psyched for ME2

[06:33:48]

yohan_:

This is my windows/linux box .. im just experimenting with all the software before i decide what platform to base my HTPC on before i buy/build one

[06:33:58]

EnderTheThird:

I got to within the last hour or so of Mass Effect. Still need to finish that stupid game. Loved it, just didn't finish it.

[06:34:02]

wagnerrp:

s/in linux//

[06:34:24]

justinh:

yohan_: any PVR software is gonna suck with that tuner

[06:34:27]

justinh:

no matter what

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iamlindoro:

ME2 has tons of replay value, too

[06:34:44]

iamlindoro:

there are sooo many choices you can make, and loads of side missions

[06:34:51]

iamlindoro:

er Me has, haven't played ME2, heh

[06:34:57]

wagnerrp:

and more offscreen softcore!

[06:35:06]

yohan_:

justinh: in windows they're working great, beyondtv handles and shifts tv just fine .. its analogue but for me its perfect. i just want to have it hooked up for PVR capability on any shows i can't readily download

[06:35:18]

justinh:

uhoh

[06:35:27]

justinh:

you said that word that makes me not want to help anymore

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** wagnerrp wonders why parents dont understand the meaning of 'Mature' when buying games for their kids **

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yohan_:

justinh: windows or beyondtv ? :P

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EnderTheThird:

Really tempting to try to sell my 2 internal tuners and get another HDHR. I swear that tuner is way more sensitive and holds a better signal than any of my PCI tuners.

[06:35:49]

justinh:

tip – it was neither of those

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yohan_:

analogue?

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iamlindoro:

I don't play games much any more, but ME2 has me anticipating locking the door, turning out the lights, and playing it on the 106" screen for a weekend

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justinh:

yohan_: DOWNLOAD

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wagnerrp:

hint, framegrabbers never 'work great'

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** yohan_ rolls eyes **

[06:36:18]

justinh:

we do not talk about illegally obtaining TV shows here

[06:36:31]

yohan_:

download tv shows is illegal ? ...

[06:36:34]

wagnerrp:

oh, yeah, didnt read that far

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: 106"? Damn, and I thought I was overcompensating for something with my 65" ;-)

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wagnerrp:

yohan_: for the overwhelmingly most part, yes

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kormoc:

yohan_: we follow us rules/regulations in here

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wagnerrp:

unless youre purchasing them for download off amazon or itunes, it is illegal

[06:37:40]

yohan_:

wierd ... i just DL em and buy the series when they're starting the following season on DVD

[06:37:41]

wagnerrp:

there may be others, but the only other services i know of are streaming only

[06:37:42]

EnderTheThird:

With Hulu and Netflix, downloading is pretty pointless anyway. Aside from those networks not on Hulu yet (stupid ABC)

[06:37:51]

iamlindoro:

I'm a responsible homeowner with a solid income, I get to buy what I want so long as I can still pay the mortgage

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EnderTheThird:

Just have to make sure those recordings don't get hosed, heh

[06:37:57]

iamlindoro:

work my balls off for my paycheck anyway

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justinh:

yohan_: in any case the problem you have is linux – either something is wrong with your video drivers.. or something is very wrong with the tuner driver

[06:38:40]

wagnerrp:

yohan_: buying the series later doesnt make the download any more legitimate

[06:38:42]

yohan_:

justinh: which is why i came here, bttv driver 0.9.17 is loaded, do you know if there's an alternative driver that will smooth out playback? or where i can goa nd what search to specify if browsing mythtv support forums?

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justinh:

yohan_: if TVtime isn't giving you nice smooth output forget about mythtv

[06:39:07]

wagnerrp:

(but for a few exceptions) mythtv does not support tuner cards

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iamlindoro:

I am so sick of this not-even-close-to-zero-tolerance stuff

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iamlindoro:

yohan_, it's been explained to you

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justinh:

all tvtime is doing is dumping data out to your video card from the tuner

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iamlindoro:

end of god damn discussion

[06:39:27]

iamlindoro:

please mention it again or argue so we can make you disappear

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justinh:

if that is going wrong, something is badly borked

[06:39:37]

wagnerrp:

mythtv supports V4L, IVTV, and DVB

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wagnerrp:

all of which are provided by linuxtv.org and #linuxtv

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wagnerrp:

you specifically have a V4L tuner

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justinh:

unless by 'not smooth' you just mean you're seeing interlacing artifacts – kinda like comb teeth around moving video

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justinh:

but if by 'not smooth' you mean jerky or otherwise breaking up, something is *badly* broken somehow

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** wagnerrp should look into getting hulu-desktop-linux working for that missed Fringe episode **

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yohan_:

theres no comb teeth or interlacing artifacts, during playback it jitters and the screen shows areas that flicker constantly

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justinh:

jees

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justinh:

you SURE you've got working video drivers?

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justinh:

as in nvidia, not Nv

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yohan_:

jusinh: im using everything built into ubuntu .. so no i'm not sure

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justinh:

no then

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wagnerrp:

almost sounds like hes trying to pump that video over USB1.1, and only getting a partial image on each frame

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justinh:

install the restricted binary drivers for the nvidia card

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justinh:

Nv sucks for any kind of video use

[06:43:10]

justinh:

still

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yohan_:

justinh: i have v180 from nvidia website

[06:43:21]

justinh:

no not from the website

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justinh:

use ubuntu's package manager to install it

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yohan_:

kk

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone here use an old school bunny ears antenna for OTA ATSC?

[06:44:22]

iamlindoro:

If you can, your house is likely built directly into the base of the tower

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EnderTheThird:

Haha

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yohan_:

justinh: synaptic is confirm i have the nvidia 180 drivers installed.

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justinh:

yohan_: then you're screwed

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yohan_:

shite

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EnderTheThird:

I live in a downtown area now (Indianapolis), so I'm curious if an indoor antenna would suit me or not. Not quite an actually bunny ears antenna, but I hear most of the cheap "digital" ones now aren't all that different anyway

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justinh:

EnderTheThird: YMMV. there is no substitute for a proper external antenna

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yohan_:

justinh wintv 350 it is then eh? .. something with mpeg2 decode i assume?

[06:46:33]

EnderTheThird:

Don't think my apartment people would appreciate that very much, heh

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justinh:

oh hell no!

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird, There's really no substitute for a properly engineered antenna

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justinh:

yohan_: what cpu are you running on that box?

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iamlindoro:

the difference in reception is enourmous

[06:46:59]

EnderTheThird:

Meh, I'll just fork out my $10/mo. to the cable co. I suppose.

[06:47:01]

yohan_:

justinh: AMD X2 6000+ (3ghz)

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iamlindoro:

that said, all internal antennas are largely probably crap

[06:47:05]

justinh:

lol

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird, depending on your living situation, I've had good luck with a large external antenna placed in the attic

[06:48:22]

iamlindoro:

no eyesore, no risk of the wind blowing it around, and a nice antenna

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro, thanks. Don't really have any options like that available to me, so I guess the $10/mo. for my ClearQAM stuff is just fine. Thanks though.

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iamlindoro:

np

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justinh:

iamlindoro: why waste $20 on a shop bought antenna when you can build your own for a fraction of the price – I mean it should only take a couple of days' solid work to shape & protect the wood etc :P

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iamlindoro:

yep, that's also a great idea

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justinh:

and unless your shop skills are as bad as Homer Simpson's it'd look only slightly retarded

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iamlindoro:

in fact, it's a better idea

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yohan_:

.

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yohan_:

hmmm ... i turned off signal detectio nin tvtime and now the playback seems to have smoothed out

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oobe:

does anyone know if you can make youtube parser for mythstream download higher quality videos

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justinh:

oobe: thought there would just be a simple addition you could make to the search string

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justinh:

or the actual URL

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oobe:

yeah good idea

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oobe:

i was think differently cause i have a script that i use called youtube-dl with has a -b option which tells it to get the best quality mp4 files rather than low quality flv

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justinh:

thought it was all flv

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oobe:

so did i

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justinh:

flv would just be the container I think

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oobe:

but looks like url doesnt change on the site when i change it to hd quality

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justinh:

sniff what the flash player bit is doing ;-)

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oobe:

fmt=22

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oobe:

at the end

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oobe:

but im using rss feeds so it doesnt work

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oobe:

with those anyway

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clever:

ugh

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clever:

mythfrontend has been taking a (core) dump for the past 10+ minutes

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OmniCitadel:

does the IR port on the hauppauge hvr 2250 card have support?

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stoffel:

OmniCitadel: i don't know, but may be better ask lirc people

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gbee:

or #linuxtv

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tmkt:

anyone have a copy of gmythmovies_0.3d.pl

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shashwatpns:

when try running mythtv backend setup it always shows me "No Unup" backends found" and then "cannot login into database". Please help

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shashwatpns:

???????????

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wagnerrp:

well i would have answered him he he hadnt crashed....

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jya:

member:j-rod: I have a Antec fusion case, do I need anything special to make use of the new fancy LCD ? I'm keen to try...

[13:16:08]

jya:

like do I need a special version of lirc ?

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wagnerrp:

looks to be all explained on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Antec_Fusion

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tmkt:

benefits of using lirc over lcdproc?

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j-rod:

jya: as long as you've got lcdproc 0.5.3, that should be about all there is to it

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j-rod:

tmkt: you need both :)

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tmkt:

i need lirc to control my lcd/

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tmkt:

?

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wagnerrp:

one is for infrared receivers, the other is for running an LCD

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tmkt:

yeah

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jya:

lirc contains the driver to access the lcd for the Antec lcd

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j-rod:

you need the lirc_imon driver to drive both the IR part and display in the imon displays

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tmkt:

ah

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jya:

very confusing I admit

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wagnerrp:

seems... odd

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jya:

hum.. I have lcdproc 0.5.2

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wagnerrp:

rather out of the purview for lirc

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j-rod:

in the future, the driver might become simply "imon"

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tmkt:

i have nmedia pro thing...cheap little display..had to compile my own version of lcdproc since it doesn't come precompiled with lis driver

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jya:

well, that alone give me a reason to upgrade to karmic :)

[13:19:55]

j-rod:

yes, well, two device drivers talking to the same hardware is a Bad Idea

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wagnerrp:

i guess the problem is that it is one hardware unit, that two separate drivers just wouldnt work?

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j-rod:

jya: 0.5.2 + patches *might* work...

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j-rod:

I think the imonlcd patches in at least an earlier form are in the ubuntu lcdproc 0.5.2 packages

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jya:

my lcdproc is already patched , I can't remember why

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j-rod:

but I did all my testing w/lcdproc 0.5.3

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jya:

couldn't access my LCD , and I use lirc 0.8.4a with some extra patches as well as my RM200 remote didn't work well otherwise

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j-rod:

ah

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j-rod:

I recall now you saying you were using 0.8.4a, but patched a bit...

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j-rod:

lirc 0.8.6 (more or less) in use here

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tmkt:

j-rod – is that email on lirc list ?

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j-rod:

tmkt: assuming you're referring to the lirc_i2c/cx18 one, yep :)

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tmkt:

ah..ok.i'll go look

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tmkt:

thanks

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tmkt:

rebooted after a couple upgrades...all happy still

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jya:

could always try lirc 0.8.6 ... but I also can't be bothered rewriting the file with all the remote code

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jya:

took me forever to write

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j-rod:

hrm? what file with all the remote code?

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j-rod:

lircrc? lircd.conf?

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jya:

lircd.conf, for a start I had to run two lircd daemons, so two lircd.conf for each

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j-rod:

you didn't need two lircd.conf files, the two daemons can point at the same one :)

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j-rod:

and with 0.8.6, you only need one daemon, that ugliness is remedied

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j-rod:

there are lircd.conf files for the antec stuff in lirc cvs

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j-rod:

which I think are included in the ubuntu lirc packages too — possible an lirc-remotes sub-package or similar

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jya:

and if IRC, when recording the IR code, if I was to press one key that was supposed to be read by the other /dev/lirc bit, then it would stop reading any more keys. And the only easy way to clear the buffer was to unload/reload the kernel mdule

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jya:

what a pain that was

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j-rod:

yeah, the imon driver was a bit of a trainwreck pre-0.8.6

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jya:

i think I spent a whole evening getting my remote to work

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j-rod:

http://lirc.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/lirc/l . . . ;view=markup

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j-rod:

that Just Works with both my antec lcd and vfd

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jya:

ok, let me try that one ...

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j-rod:

one lircd, display works perfectly on both, etc

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jya:

does lirc 0.8.6 still creates two devices ?

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j-rod:

no

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jya:

ah good

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jya:

yeah, I remember reading about your changes on this

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j-rod:

that was one of the major undertakings for 0.8.6 to make it suck a lot less

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jya:

Forgot to thank you for all your mythtv guide BTW, back in the days, before you joined RedHat, I always used your guide to set up my mythtv install

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j-rod:

and the keyboard/mouse toggle actually toggles the remote to a real input subsystem mouse now too

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jya:

was a while ago

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j-rod:

heh, yeah, I've unfortunately not had time to keep that up :\

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jya:

I don't use the antec remote now, only a logitech

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j-rod:

amusingly, my harmony remote can also function as a mouse

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jya:

so if on the RM200 I toggle the mous/keyboard bit

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jya:

I can control the mouse too ?

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j-rod:

can only move the mouse up/down, left/right, can't go diag at all, and I don't have the toggle or either mouse button mapped

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j-rod:

but yeah, the RM200 can operate as a full-fledged mouse

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j-rod:

if no lirc clients are connected, it sits in mouse mode

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j-rod:

once a client connects, it goes into keyboard mode, then can be toggled back and forth w/the mouse/keyboard button

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jya:

cool

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j-rod:

so something I've wondered... if I'd kept up with mythtv-on-fedora docs, would less people have gone to the Brown Side? :)

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mythbuntu:

when try running mythtv backend setup it always shows me "No Unup" backends found" and then "cannot login into database". Please help???????????

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jya:

well, don't get any keycode with that lircd.conf file

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wagnerrp:

i assume youre shashwatpns?

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j-rod:

jya: does irw report seeing keys?

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j-rod:

I'm guessing you may have had different key names

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wagnerrp:

anyway, mythtv will try to read your database information from a config.xml file in ~/.mythtv/

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wagnerrp:

failing that, it will try to find an existing, running database over UPNP, to request the database login information

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jya:

damn, I'm out of AAA batteries , only have the logitech

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jya:

no no, I use irw

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shashwatpns:

no actually the user im using is mythbuntu but i like shashwatpns so by default it gave me "mythbuntu"

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wagnerrp:

if all else fails it will show a dialog requesting language of use, and then your database login information

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j-rod:

jya: is this a source build of 0.8.6?

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jya:

:) course not, it's 0.8.4a + patches

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jya:

maybe that's why ...

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j-rod:

ah

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wagnerrp:

so first off... are you running a mysql database?

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j-rod:

I forget if 0.8.4a was still using 32-bit keycodes

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j-rod:

I think it was

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shashwatpns:

wagnerrp, but i have not editted even a single letter, i am using what it gave me by default

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jya:

my old lirc.conf file was using 32 bits keycode

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j-rod:

my cfg needs the full 64 bits (which you have to use to handle all the front panel buttons too)

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jya:

I have all the front panel buttons working wih my 0.8.4a

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wagnerrp:

shashwatpns: setting up mythtv is not a straightforward process

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wagnerrp:

you should be using a howto instead of trying to fumble your way through

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shashwatpns:

so can help me from the start please wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

also, #ubuntu-mythtv will provide additional help on initial setup

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jya:

oh well, time for the big upgrade

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wagnerrp:

setup of mythbuntu is vastly different than a manual setup

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wagnerrp:

i have only ever done a manual setup

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j-rod:

jya: I think the antec veris premiere add-on lcd has more buttons on it than any I've seen built into a case

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j-rod:

there were only like 2 buttons that *needed* the full 64 bits to be identified

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j-rod:

oh, ron fredrick's thermaltake needed 64 bits too for some of his front panel buttons

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wagnerrp:

however http://www.mythbuntu.org/documentation/mythbu . . . allation.pdf is probably a good place to start

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wagnerrp:

that would be... http://www.mythbuntu.org/documentation/mythbu . . . allation.pdf

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wagnerrp:

shashwatpns: basically, this channel is for general help with mythtv

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jya:

j-rod: re: brown vs hat red, after years running centos, One of my frontend used to hang every few hours during live TV, I searched forever , tried all distribution 32 bits , 64 etc.. then tried mythbuntu. At the end I found the problem which was related to the audio card buffer settings.. I couldn't be bothered reinstalling back centos, so I kept ubuntu... The thing I like best compared to centos/fedora, is when I upgrade a kernel,

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jya:

drivers/modules are automatically recompiled, don't manually have to install kmdl crap.

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wagnerrp:

whereas mythbuntu has added a LOT of additional GUI tools, and wrapper scripts in an attempt to make installation and management easier

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wagnerrp:

ive never used mythbuntu, so i now nothing of these tools

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wagnerrp:

and if i tried to explain to you how to setup mythbuntu, you would just get more confused than you already are

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j-rod:

jya: automatically rebuilt drivers happen with RPM Fusion kernel module packages too :)

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j-rod:

not sure if ATrpms has that yet or not, I know Axel was talking about adding it

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shashwatpns:

i have already installed mythbuntu i just dont know how to setup mythtv

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j-rod:

RPM Fusion has dkms-alike functionality via 'akmods', which rebuild and install kmod rpm packages on the system when needed

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j-rod:

so you get the dkms functionality, but still have everything installed tracked by the packaging system

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jya:

Axel has created a special yum package that automatically create a dependency on all the drivers to the latest kernel

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jya:

but never managed to get it to work properly

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wagnerrp:

shashwatpns: and im saying, setting up mythtv on mythbuntu is considerably different than setting it up manually

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shashwatpns:

and wagnerrp how did you know which distro do i use

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wagnerrp:

you should get help from #ubuntu-mythtv

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wagnerrp:

erm... because you logged in with the username 'mythbuntu'?

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shashwatpns:

k thanks wagnerrp

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jya:

I also find the debian package build system absolutely fantastic, it's so neat and well documented ... pleasure to work with

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j-rod:

what I'd *really* like to see... is RPM Fusion and ATrpms merge... which was one of the original goals of RPM Fusion... but Axel and some of the core RPM Fusion guys don't get along

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jya:

yes, I read some of the email exchanges ...

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jya:

Axel has always been great to me, always answer questions quickly and diligently.. I'm amazed by the amount of time he spent helping out people...

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j-rod:

yeah, *I* get along with Axel just fine, its mainly him and thorsten leemhuis in particular that don't get along

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j-rod:

I disagree with some of the packaging decisions ATrpms has made though

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resno:

Is anybody running out to buy Windows 7?

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j-rod:

bwhahahaha

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wagnerrp:

obviously not, if were sitting here in IRC

[14:32:02]

j-rod:

or throwing a release party, complete with plastic smiles?

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jya:

I have a RC version running out in July 2010 ...

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j-rod:

that video is teh awesome

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wagnerrp:

july? i thought it was april

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resno:

did ms saying to have release parties or was that a joke?

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jya:

i got it with my MSDN subscription ...

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j-rod:

I installed the RC in a kvm guest, ran it for a few minutes, shut it down, haven't looked at it since

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resno:

jya: i got a RC too. it has some new features i liked. ill admit i liked some of its features.

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jya:

how dumb is it BTW, that microsoft still provide RC serial to anyone who ask, yet, you can't download it anywhere ?

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resno:

its the way of ms

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resno:

its the way of the MS

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wagnerrp:

ill have to see if my uni has it available for purchase

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wagnerrp:

XP was dirt cheap

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wagnerrp:

but vista, they would only sell you the 32-bit upgrade version, for several times the price of XP

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resno:

of course why not try to capitalize?

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wagnerrp:

i mean it was $6 for XP Pro, and you got both a 32-bit and 64-bit copy

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wagnerrp:

Vista was $30

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resno:

wow, i feel like im having dejavu

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jya:

j-rod: you're wanted in #mythtv

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** j-rod crawls into hole... **

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jheizer:

call me stupid but, .22rc1, ,graphite theme, recordings menu, how do i delete a recording now

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jheizer:

there is no delete option in the popup menu

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GreyFoxx:

There are 2 popup menus

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GreyFoxx:

one if you hit Menu

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GreyFoxx:

another if you hit I

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GreyFoxx:

or press D

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jheizer:

ahh, guess it is not mapped on my remote right as the info button does nothing

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

Lots of stuff in the info menu :)

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jheizer:

yeah, the old full menu

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jheizer:

can't say I have ever used any of the stuff in the new M menu before

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jheizer:

works on the KB ok, thanks

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GreyFoxx:

I use them a lot .

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GreyFoxx:

but I use recording groups so my stuff, my wifes and my daughters are all in seperate groups

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jheizer:

ah, got ya

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GreyFoxx:

so I don't gotta see my daughters and my doesn't need to see stufft that is specific to me

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GreyFoxx:

and of course default for stuff we all watch

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explr:

hello everyone

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jheizer:

knew it had to be something simple

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explr:

I am about to set up Mythtv and looking for a best tv tuner card that is supported by linux/ubuntu

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jheizer:

remote freaked out after upgrade, so guess I got a messed up version put back

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resno:

explr: pvr 250 or hdv pvr 1600

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explr:

any suggestions from users who already have working tv tuner cards?

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clever:

explr: pvr-150 has great support but is only SDTV

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explr:

resno – one thing i want to avoid is the hassle with the driver issues on linux .. does pvr 250 and hdv pvr 1600 work out of the box in linux ?

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resno:

explr: yes, its the recommended cards.

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GreyFoxx:

185 caused me all kinds of problems

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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clever:

explr: www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_PVR-250

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explr:

thanks .. any idea how much they cost ?

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clever:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_PVR-150

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clever:

better to use a 150, it says

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resno:

$20

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resno:

on ebay

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resno:

pvr 250 is ^^

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explr:

Another question to all the expert users here ..

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resno:

k, ask

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explr:

I have Dish network at home and a receiver that supports two TV's has two remotes

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explr:

from the back of the receiver i connected to one tv using HDMI .. and the other TV is suppored via coax out put from the receiver

[15:07:18]

explr:

more like one receiver but works as two receiver units

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explr:

I know i could feed the signal out of the coax to the PVR ****

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explr:

but the signal is not HD ...

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explr:

I am wondering how can i feed the hd signal to a PVR **

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resno:

you need a the pvr 1600

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resno:

your gonna have higher requirements to run hd also

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resno:

those are $70 usd

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explr:

sure

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explr:

iam building the system with Zotac ION A board .. which seems to play 1080p just fine with the VDPAU

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resno:

at least, thats what i understand. i might be wrong though

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resno:

i actually there was some sort of external thing to handle hd.

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resno:

s/thought/there

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explr:

thanks resno for the help

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resno:

let me check the site real quick to be sure

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resno:

explr: here is some stuff http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR

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explr:

my dish receiver is vip622 dvr ..

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explr:

i just checked the pvr 1600 and it seems like the two inputs one ofr analog and one for atsc /qam/digital tv in but my dish receiver does not seem to have the output equivalent of QAM/DIGITAL TV

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resno:

explr: here are the sources, via the wiki. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:HDTV_capture_cards

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jheizer:

GreyFoxx: from earlier, there wouldn't happen to be a way to switch which menu is tied to which button would there?

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GreyFoxx:

Nope

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jheizer:

GreyFoxx: like can I switch it in the theme?

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GreyFoxx:

well

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jheizer:

k

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GreyFoxx:

not likely

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GreyFoxx:

you might be able to do it in the mythcontrols stuff but I can't be sure

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jheizer:

k, no problem

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explr:

resno – here is the link to the user guide for 622 dvr .. check page 21 for the rear panel http://www.dishnetwork.com/downloads/pdf/user . . . Chapter2.pdf

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resno:

ok, what am ilooking for?

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explr:

at present I use the output designated for inhome distribution to connect my second tv .. this is just plain coax ..

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resno:

ok.

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resno:

so whats the problem?

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explr:

but the pvr 1600 has QAM/Digital TV in ..

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explr:

and i am unsure if i will be able to get the digital tv from the DISh receiver ..

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resno:

what does the reciever output?

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meshe:

you won't be able to capture digital from a disk reciever

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meshe:

er dish

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explr:

it has rgb out for tv2 or a coax for home distribution :(

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wagnerrp:

you capture digital tv straight off the broadcast signal

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wagnerrp:

either your antenna, or the cable line directly from the pole on the street

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meshe:

the best you can do is capture off component using an HD-PVR

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wagnerrp:

you can capture analog through that 1600, but you should be using svideo for that, not coaxial

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explr:

ok thanks guys .. appreciate all your help ....

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resno:

yea, i know nothing about dish, satelitte things

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wagnerrp:

heres another one.... http://www.itrunsonlinux.com/news/115-mythtv-022-rc1

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GreyFoxx:

The gu on the user list says it's back to "normal" now that he's upgraded all of his machines

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resno:

wagnerrp: is that good or bad?

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wagnerrp:

resno: its another news article about 0.22, using aged themes that no longer even work

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resno:

ah.. haha

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simonckenyon:

trying to build head under windows and it fails with a message about mtime of a dll later than some text file "latest_build" or some such. sorry for the crap description, but i'm not running windows on this machine right now, so cannot check. anyone else had this problem?

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iamlindoro:

There's an open ticket

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simonckenyon:

oh dear – didn't spot it

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whoDat:

anyone know about how to get capture cards set up so they don't start up in a different order in /dev every time i reboot?

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iamlindoro:

whoDat: udev rules

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whoDat:

iam: tried both that, and modprobe config files and no luck (i have the extact issue http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/PcHDTV_HD-5500 on there listed under 'Using HD-5500 with other cards'

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simonckenyon:

i don't see any tickets that describe my problem – will just have to reboot into windows and catch the excat error

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whoDat:

iamlindoro: i used the exact syntax on that page

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whoDat:

this "options cx8800 video_nr=2 radio_nr=2" is supposed to lock it to /dev/video2 but doesnt.

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iamlindoro:

simonckenyon: Ticket was opened yesterday

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iamlindoro:

whoDat: udev will work fine, you likely set up your rule incorrectly

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whoDat:

iamlindoro: just following the exact syntax in the mythtv wiki documentation.

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iamlindoro:

whoDat: The exact udev syntax?

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iamlindoro:

because the above is not udev

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whoDat:

it doesn't have syntax for udev, only modprobe.conf

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whoDat:

both ways are supposed to work though it says.

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iamlindoro:

So go read about udev, and implement it

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whoDat:

you obviously like udev better than the modprobe.conf way. okay I will look more into it. thanks.

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iamlindoro:

np

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wagnerrp:

modprobe.conf is really just to set module options

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wagnerrp:

where as udev is what is supposed to handle all generation and naming of device nodes

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wagnerrp:

udev is just the more proper place to put that sort of thing

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whoDat:

wangerrp: so should I rewrite the howto on the wiki once i figure out the udev syntax?

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wagnerrp:

would always be helpful

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JJ1:

does udev work for disk drives too?

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iamlindoro:

whoDat: The wiki already has a fairly extensive udev page

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whoDat:

iamlindoro : i am talking about http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/PcHDTV_HD-5500 , which has modprobe.conf intructions specific to this card.

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wagnerrp:

JJ1: udev is used for any and all automatically generated device nodes, that includes hard drives

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simonckenyon:

i see it now ticker #7326 fixed by changeset #22470 = i deleted everything and started from scratch. that change went in 30 hours ago, so a tad confused

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iamlindoro:

whoDat: udev rules will be unique per-syste,

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iamlindoro:

whoDat: per-system... thus your rule will not necessarily apply to anyone else

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wagnerrp:

you may be able to write specific rules for each drive based off the serial number

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if that information is made available though

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iamlindoro:

you know, you'd think the web was rocket science

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7331

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iamlindoro:

"It was opened yesterday" narrows it to like seven tickets

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iamlindoro:

of which one is about windows

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whoDat:

.22 is getting close to release?

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iamlindoro:

whoDat: yes

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whoDat:

cool

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simonckenyon:

i see now – i say the "fixed" – not the later "it's still borked" – sorry for the noise

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simonckenyon:

s/say/saw/

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whoDat:

does .22 have streaming to mobile devices, like Orb does? or would it be easier to set up an orb server alongside mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

.22 has no new streaming options

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whoDat:

so still have to create batch jobs to changes streams to be cell phone friendly, instead of working on-the-fly like orb?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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whoDat:

is playing videos using flash on mythweb in .22?

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iamlindoro:

yes, as it was in .21

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whoDat:

iamlindoro: hmm. it must be off by default then. i never looked into it, was just going to wait for .22

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iamlindoro:

It is (and still is) off by default, as it is an unsupported feature

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whoDat:

okay, still unsupported in .22 then. thanks.

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iamlindoro:

unsupported for the forseeable future

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whoDat:

oh, why is that?

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iamlindoro:

and won't become supported until someone write on the fly transcode functionality for the backend

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iamlindoro:

because it relies on spawning an external ffmpeg process

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whoDat:

oh, so this is related to my previous question then.. ;) thanks

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whoDat:

on-the-fly transcoding sounds like a winner if it came to mythtv.

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iamlindoro:

Much as I pester the gcc devs, for some reason the code still won't write itself

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iamlindoro:

I keep telling them it's a bug, and that gcc should just write the code for me, but they won't listen

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OmniCitadel:

I have a hauppauge 2250, which supports ATSC and ClearQAM and NTSC but NTSC is not working at the moment... When I scan channels I only get about 20 out of nearly 80 channels which my tv can see. On the mythtv wiki it says that analog is not currently supported could this be why I cannot get all the other channels?

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wagnerrp:

on your tv, analog channels will be whole numbers, digital channels will have a divider

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wagnerrp:

12_1, 8.2, something like that

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wagnerrp:

altenatively, silicondust maintains listings of what channels you should expect to get over QAM, searchable by zip code

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elmojo:

anyone use the blue-abstract-wide theme and their mythmusic player screen look like this screenshot -> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Image:Blue-abstract_music-player.png

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elmojo:

mine seems to still look like it's using the default-wide widgets for the song listings

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fabio_27:

hi, i'm using mythtv trunk and i'm having problems with eit on dvb-c. my provider sends all epg information on one specific channel, but somehow mythtv doesn't detect any eit information when I tune to that channel... any help?

[18:05:32]

justinh:

tmkt: I posted a working google movies script earlier today

[18:06:05]

justinh:

tmkt: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/scripts/google.txt – had to rename it cos the host doesn't allow perl :-\

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justinh:

it might need a tweak depending on what version of perl stuff you've got there.. dunno why that is

[18:10:14]

tmkt:

OK

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tmkt:

Got one working also

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tmkt:

i'll try that one

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justinh:

still wish there was something we could use legitimately

[18:20:03]

justinh:

non USA folks get a bum deal in some areas

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jheizer:

hmm, another confused with .22rc and me

[18:20:31]

jheizer:

you can't hit up in menus to go from the top to the bottom any more?

[18:20:39]

justinh:

depends on the theme

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jheizer:

k, in this case it is the recordings I button popup

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justinh:

whether or not wrapping is allowed is up to whoever makes the theme

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justinh:

still depends on the theme

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jheizer:

k, got ya, just wanted to make sure based on the specific screen

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justinh:

dunno if the default theme xml files allow wrapping or not

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jheizer:

graphite in this case

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jheizer:

not a biggie, will look at moving delete to the top or adding in the wrapping myself

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justinh:

I need to update my laptop so I can start working on concept-wide again – I want that working before I upgrade my production system

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OmniCitadel:

doing a bit of research and I am not seeing any thing decisive... is it still possible to itegrate hulu into myth?

[18:34:18]

OmniCitadel:

it looks like mythvodka is the key but I am seeing there was an issue with hulu changing things and breaking it and I don't see any thing saying they got it working agian

[18:35:09]

justinh:

use the new linux hulu hulu hoolu thingy

[18:35:17]

justinh:

no need to fettle stuff

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jheizer:

what I am doing, the new hulu desktop launched from a myth menu

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justinh:

make a menu item in mythfrontend fer it & away you go

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justinh:

until they get less restrictive.. no way to integrate it properly

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OmniCitadel:

where is the mythplugins source dir?

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iamlindoro:

In the source you check out from svn.mythtv.org

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Flakeparadigm:

the hardware support list says a "Hauppauge HVR-1250" is supported. Would this include support for the "Hauppauge HVR-1250 MC" tuner card?

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stoffel:

Flakeparadigm: did you spend even 1 sec. to search google?

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stoffel:

um, maybe nm, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1250 is a different model than the mc?

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iamlindoro:

MC just means it comes with the MC remote

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iamlindoro:

no difference in the card

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hume:

hi... I have a question on mythtv on a mac osx: playback of video is jumpy – is there a way to change the codecs used by mythtv Internal player to solve this, or only to switch to mplayer (where the quicktime codec works fine)?

[18:45:14]

iamlindoro:

if video = recordings, no

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sphery:

Last time I ever look up when a define was added to alsa for GreyFoxx . I hit an ALSA web site web page and it killed my X and left the X screen on the monitor. Took my switching computers and shelling in to figure out that the certain-brand proprietary video card drivers were all that was locked.

[18:45:21]

iamlindoro:

if video = MythVideo, you can use mplayer

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sphery:

had to reboot (and I lost all of my firefox windows/tabs :( )

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justinh:

who the hell encodes stuff to quicktime?

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justinh:

other than Apple I mean

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sphery:

justinh: the MOVers and shakers?

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justinh:

groan

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resno:

bad joke

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sphery:

yeah, those are my signature

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hume:

iamlindoro, ok, thx

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sphery:

if I ever did good jokes, it just wouldn't be me

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iamlindoro:

Then we'd know the pod people had arrived

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justinh:

heh

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sphery:

and that

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justinh:

they already have. they all use quicktime

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GreyFoxx:

ugh I sense this is gonnabe a pain the ass to update *sigh*

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: might be worth asking if we really want to increase our min alsa version to 1.0.15

[18:48:32]

sphery:

chances are the code could be reworked/version-specific stuff done

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GreyFoxx:

cause of course EVERYTHING has to be divided up into 15 freaking tarballs because heaven forbid someone installs an extra 100k of stuff

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sphery:

I have a feeling that danielk won't agree to a 1.0.15 min alsa version, yet

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GreyFoxx:

You're probably right

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sphery:

I think the worst part about rebooting is getting that Firefox SQLite DB of previous URI's loaded into RAM/working usefully fast enough

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resno:

ive got a programming question, un related to myth. to use the web to issue commands to a computer youd use python or perl?

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** dustybin looks forward to .22 **

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laga:

resno: that question does not make a lot of sense

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resno:

ok. if i wanted to make a site, that issued commands to a computer. ie) make it reboot, what language would work between php and the computer?

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wagnerrp:

resno: you would use whatever you want

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

why would you do such a thing? ssh == win

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wagnerrp:

you either send data through POST, or you send it on the URL like 'page.php?whatever=somevalue&somethingelse=someothervalue'

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laga:

i bet someone is going to have a gaping security hole

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kormoc:

laga++

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resno:

this is more so for my own knowledge, kormoc

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iamlindoro:

to add to your list of things that are insaney-pants crazy?

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resno:

i guess, i am wondering why myth uses perl bindings.

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kormoc:

resno: well, you can just use any one of the exec calls php has to run shutdown or reboot or whatever

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laga:

if you're starting to learn a programming language, i'd suggest you don't start with PHP. also do not write stuff facing the web unless you know what you're doing

[18:59:33]

wagnerrp:

because php is not often run from the command line

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GreyFoxx:

so that perl scripts can access myth, it's database and it's backends

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wagnerrp:

you can run php from the command line

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wagnerrp:

or you can run shell commands from directly in the php module in apache

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resno:

laga: i already know php, and have started learning python

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laga:

wagnerrp: yeah. just run php as root. ;)

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wagnerrp:

laga: well you'd have to run apache as root

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** kormoc runs php as root for certain cron tasks... **

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: or passwordless sudo for specific commands

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laga:

kormoc: so do i AFAIK. i was referring to mod_php

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laga:

wagnerrp: or use FGCI :)

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laga:

err, CGI

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kormoc:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

GDIAFGI

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resno:

kormoc: i didnt know php could issue those of calls.

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resno:

^ type

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wagnerrp:

for instance cacti is all php, even though the snmp calls are done from cron

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kormoc:

resno: http://us2.php.net/manual/en/book.exec.php

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wagnerrp:

resno, exec or system or passthru

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kormoc:

resno: it can, it also support threads, forking, etc...

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wagnerrp:

only from the command line

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wagnerrp:

mod_php cant thread or form

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wagnerrp:

fork

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: sure it can, if you're using a threaded MPM

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resno:

laga: what language were you going to suggest to start with?

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wagnerrp:

ok... the pnctl library only runs from the command line

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laga:

resno: to python. C. assembler. or in your case, a good book on computer security ;)

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wagnerrp:

i mean you can encrypt it, and password lock it, and all that sort of thing

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wagnerrp:

but do you really want to give root access to a very large and very complex web server?

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resno:

it wasnt my intention to allow such a huge security risk to my machine, i have wondered how it would be done....

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resno:

as a fun experiment for my own hackings

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kormoc:

so then the 'right' way would be give sudo access to the restart command to the php user, and then `sudo restart`

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resno:

ill never be able to know enough about linux. there is just so much stuff

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laga:

enough not to do insane stuff? that's not hard ;)

[19:14:13]

resno:

laga: i dunno, i think the more you know the more you try something

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resno:

insane

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resno:

and has the chance for it blow up even more

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laga:

no

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wagnerrp:

thats only if you try to be clever

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laga:

amen

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wagnerrp:

looks like google spidered the 'restart' page

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laga:

rotfl

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wagnerrp:

oh wow!

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wagnerrp:

2TB hitachi for $144

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OmniCitadel:

5400 rpm probably

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wagnerrp:

7200

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OmniCitadel:

wow I just got my 1.5tb 7200 for 115 at microcenter

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MTughan:

Yeah, they're offering 7200rpm 2TB drives now.

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MTughan:

They're still over $300 CAD last I checked though.

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iamlindoro:

apparently not

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GreyFoxx:

Where do you see that price ?

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GreyFoxx:

the $144

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wagnerrp:

front page on slickdeals, but the link to DellSB seems to be dead

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wagnerrp:

their click-through service is down

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wagnerrp:

you can go to the first post, copy the link, and remove the prepended slickdeals address

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wagnerrp:

its $160, with a 10% off coupon code

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wagnerrp:

they should be about due for another capacity bump shouldnt they?

[19:37:19]

wagnerrp:

i mean the 2TB ones are almost 9 months old

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wagnerrp:

seems TDK is saying 2.5TB in january

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sphery:

isn't TDK the one that just came up with HAMR heads that are actually manufacturable?

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sphery:

wonder if they're saying that manufacturers will switch to that by Jan...

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wagnerrp:

no, i think this was just a normal bump

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sphery:

was thinking that was a pretty optimistic timeline for the switch

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wagnerrp:

a move to the use of HAMR would be a more significant bump than 25%

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wagnerrp:

considering they expect the tech to scale up to 150x what we can currently do

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wagnerrp:

so what? that lets you write in a much smaller area, without having to shrink the magnetic head?

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wagnerrp:

since you just heat up the track you want to write to

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

oh, 300tb, not 300TB

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wagnerrp:

big difference

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petr_stk:

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jheizer:

Is there a common setup problem or something that causes mythfrontend to suck up 100% cpu idling

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jheizer:

sitting on the main menu now

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AndrewNC1:

I think that was fixed

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jheizer:

k, I see JYA has a new build up so will update to that and see

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iamlindoro:

No, the CPU use issue has not been fixed

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iamlindoro:

and it's not a config thing

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dustybin:

lol peep show is excellent

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justinh:

greetings from the A1(M) :D

[21:20:52]

justinh:

mobile coverage here is better than at home, thankfully

[21:23:35]

justinh:

no, I'm not driving btw :)

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iamlindoro:

haha

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iamlindoro:

Now that is commitment to IRC

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justinh:

the novelty will wear off soon I'm sure

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justinh:

hahaha streaming recordings on the move. I could begin to be an advocate of placeshifting.. ya never know :P

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justinh:

need a netbook though, a laptop is a bit unwieldy in the car

[21:34:14]

Scopeuk:

and theres the potiential you could het a netbook with a built in mobile broadband modem

[21:34:23]

Scopeuk:

s/het/get

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justinh:

yup

[21:34:44]

justinh:

though inside a faraday cage mobile broadband is a bit cack

[21:35:09]

Scopeuk:

yeh just a touch

[21:35:31]

Scopeuk:

not sure i could ever see people popping a mobile data sim card into there car but its possible i supose

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Scopeuk:

adding "car computer" esque features to a built in sat nav is on the verge of trivial and a 1/2 decent antena built into the stucture could massivly improve reception

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PeaceKeeper:

Can you upgrade to .22 RC1 using atrpms? (Sorry I am not at home and can not check)

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justinh:

reminds me I could be svn-up'ing

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** Scopeuk would update but the arial mast isent wired to the room with the myth box and i cant get anything on an indoor antenna (the box migrated from a different house) **

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PeaceKeeper:

If not I need to get the svn build. I was just wondering (So i could plan my weekend :p)

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justinh:

jeepers. getting like 700kB/sec at 70mpg

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justinh:

mph even

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Scopeuk:

gonan say that was unit tastic

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Scopeuk:

cant complain at that juski

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Scopeuk:

i know when i use mobile teathered to my laptop at a friends if i move a foot in the wrogn direction the connection goes bye bye

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justinh:

that's prolly better than I get at home over Vermin Meedja

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Scopeuk:

they've been qutie good for me of late

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Scopeuk:

since they swopped out my decade old modem for a new one

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justinh:

lost the lot the other morning. internet, TV & phone

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Scopeuk:

ouch

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justinh:

first tme in as long as I can remember though

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Dagmar:

So is 0.22 officially released now?

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Dagmar:

I ask because someone's been marking up the wiki as if it were

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Dagmar:

...which means there's some reverting to be done.

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justinh:

no it's just a release candidate like mythtv.org says

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Dagmar:

Okay/ That's what I thought. I just wanted to verify with a live person before I start whacking people's edits

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Dagmar:

Ah wait, that's a comment he converted it into... Who cares if it's entirely correct

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Dagmar:

yay

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justinh:

ugh. BBC Electric Proms has hit rock bottom. Robbie ...king Williams

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Lunar_Lamp:

I have a stack of videos that I want to import into mythtv. What is the best way or organising them and doing this? They are currently, by and large, roughly organised by folders. However, I do not know quite how MythTV will want them organised.

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iamlindoro:

Myth doesn't really care how you organize them

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iamlindoro:

point Mythvideo at the root of all those folders, scan, profit

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justinh:

mmmm profit

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Lunar_Lamp:

iamlindoro: what about things that are split into multiple files (I download a lot of sports games, which are often split into 1st half and 2nd half) – is there an easy way to "group" those?

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justinh:

sigh

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iamlindoro:

Well, there goes my help then

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Lunar_Lamp:

iamlindoro: why? :-s

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iamlindoro:

because I (and we as a project) provide no support for stolen material, or those who do it

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Lunar_Lamp:

And why do you presume this is stolen material, and not part of my paid subscriptions to download these sports games?

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Hodapp:

"stolen". right.

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Seventoes:

that was a dumb thing to assume...

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justinh:

put it this way – do the MPAA et al presume innocence?

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justinh:

NO

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Seventoes:

because they usually have some kind of proof

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justinh:

and when they go looking for copyright infringers, and projects which support infringed material...

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Seventoes:

they don't look for a project that helped someone organize their folder of illegal material

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iamlindoro:

Hodapp, Seventoes: This is not up for discussion. You are both new here. This is how our project works, and it's how the channel rules work.

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iamlindoro:

one and only warning

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justinh:

so mythtv likes to keep its nose clean :)

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Lunar_Lamp:

justinh: I understand your perspective, and accept it.

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Lunar_Lamp:

I knew that you drew the line very much on the side of trying to appear as "clean" as possible.

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Lunar_Lamp:

I just didn't realise it was quite that far.

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meshe:

heh @ trying to appear

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Seventoes:

doesnt make sense imo but w/e :P

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Seventoes:

so im not understanding the program guide thing

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Hodapp:

Stopping discussion doesn't magically validate the idea that it's wrong.

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justinh:

stuff like somevideofilepart2 would be scanned to automagically follow somevideofilepart1

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Seventoes:

is the only way to get program guide data to sign up for schedules direct? EIT doesnt seem to be working and XMLTV (i think thats what it is) is doing nothing

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Lunar_Lamp:

justinh: yeah, I could write a script to organise it like that (as opposed to UID/part1 UID/part2).

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justinh:

right. we have arrived. time to go

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Seventoes:

i get "No channels are configured to use grabber" when i try to run mythfilldatabase --manual

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sphery:

Seventoes: yes, you either need EIT (which is almost useless in the US) or Schedules Direct

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sphery:

Seventoes: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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Seventoes:

booo.. trying to avoid recurring fees was one of the reasons i didn't just buy a dvr...

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sphery:

Seventoes: $20/yr ($0.06/day) is cheap for what you get--same data that TiVo users pay $15/mo (or whatever) to get

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Seventoes:

yeah its much better i guess

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sphery:

and if you can't afford the $20/yr, you shouldn't be wasting money on Myth

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Seventoes:

more about principal :P

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sphery:

Myth isn't designed as a low-cost PVR solution. It's a high-end luxury DVR.

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sphery:

and principle means you'd actually pay for the listings data, not steal it :)

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Seventoes:

works great as a low-cost PVR though if you have hardware lying around

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Seventoes:

ah they have a 7 day trial too.. good

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crankharder:

I've been seeing this thing where mythtv stops responding to lirc, but irw continues to see the inputs

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crankharder:

but it's not completely ignoring lirc, all of a sudden the remote will stop working... then 10–30 seconds later all the buttons I hit will hit mythtv really quickly

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crankharder:

so it's as if they're queued up somewhere before they hit myth

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crankharder:

anyone ever seen somethin like this?

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iamlindoro:

sounds like a very old, very solved bug

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iamlindoro:

what revision of myth?

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crankharder:

19961

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iamlindoro:

if you're not running latest fixes you should do so

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crankharder:

0.21.fixes, whatever is in the latest ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

That's a nine month old copy

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crankharder:

http://www.pastie.org/658305

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iamlindoro:

You should be running a later copy of fixes

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iamlindoro:

which mythbuntu's weekly repository provides

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crankharder:

happen to know which repo that is?

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iamlindoro:

www.mythbuntu.org

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crankharder:

iamlindoro: you dont happen to know the mythbuntu repo url?

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crankharder:

i guess its' not in the mythbuntu faq/pdf thing

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Dagmar:

If you are running MythBuntu, it's already set correctly

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iamlindoro:

the instructions for using their weeklies are on their site

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iamlindoro:

under something like... "Weekly Builds"

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iamlindoro:

Wow, daily now, in fact, right there on the top of the top page.

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Lunar_Lamp:

I'm trying to import music into my myth setup. I have a combined front/backend, and a frontend. My music is on the combined machine in /var/lib/mythtv/music. I am trying to "scan for new music" from the frontend machine, but the logs there always say "MythMusic hasn't found any tracks! That's ok with me if it's ok with you."

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Lunar_Lamp:

What's the step I'm missing – I've gone over the config several times, and as far as I can tel the directory paths are correct. All I can think of is that the frontend machine is looking for the music locally, rathe rthan remotely.

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pat-:

Lunar_Lamp: I think you're correct

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Lunar_Lamp:

Any ideas how to continue? Am I misinterpreting what mythmusic is doing?

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Scopeuk:

music works of local files if you want to use a single set of files on another machine for a remote front end you will have to share them over the network

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Scopeuk:

Lunar_Lamp ntfs share the music directory and mount it on the front end at boot

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Scopeuk:

nfs*

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Lunar_Lamp:

Ah, ok.

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Lunar_Lamp:

I'm hoping the same is not the case for video?

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Scopeuk:

it is for myth video but not for recordigns/live tv

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Lunar_Lamp:

Interesting. OK, thanks. That's helpful to know.

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Seventoes:

mythtv scheduling avoids saving the same episode again regardless of other settings right?

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