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| [00:08:21] | sphery: | xris: BTW, do you have power to grant iamlindoro sysop on wiki.mythtv.org? I think he'd be a good person to have it for updating the front page for things like releases and stuff as he's always watching and checking up on the wiki stuff. |
| [00:08:47] | sphery: | that being mediawiki sysop, not root |
| [00:08:51] | xris: | sphery: not actually sure. |
| [00:09:26] | kormoc: | xris: you should, you're one of the founders |
| [00:09:46] | sphery: | ah, he's the guy we honor on Founder's Day? |
| [00:10:34] | xris: | founders? |
| [00:11:25] | kormoc: | Sorry, bureaucrat |
| [00:11:30] | kormoc: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Special:List . . . p=bureaucrat |
| [00:11:32] | xris: | heh |
| [00:11:44] | kormoc: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights |
| [00:11:48] | kormoc: | which has edit all user rights |
| [00:11:53] | xris: | someone tell me how to get in to edit and I can |
| [00:11:58] | xris: | I don't see any admin links, etc. |
| [00:12:39] | xris: | ah, found it |
| [00:12:55] | kormoc: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Special:UserRights |
| [00:12:58] | xris: | what's the difference between sysop and beurocrat? |
| [00:13:10] | sphery: | see bottom of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights |
| [00:13:26] | xris: | perfect |
| [00:13:29] | sphery: | but basically, beauro's can "Edit all user rights (userrights)" and "Not be affected by rate limits (noratelimit)" |
| [00:13:29] | xris: | ok, he's fixed |
| [00:13:36] | sphery: | thanks |
| [00:13:47] | kormoc: | xris: wanna bump me up too? |
| [00:14:15] | xris: | just did |
| [00:14:20] | kormoc: | snaz |
| [00:14:48] | iamlindoro: | xris, Thanks, was planning on updating the front page graphic to something Terra the other day and ran into that |
| [00:14:58] | iamlindoro: | (also tend to catch the wiki spam so it'll be nice to be able to delete) |
| [00:15:32] | xris: | yeah. all devs should be sysop, honestly |
| [00:16:16] | sphery: | except ones like me who are clueless on mediawiki? |
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| [00:21:41] | sphery: | kormoc: do you know how to get google to re-index something (like the Myth Apple Trailers stuff which was deleted from the wiki 5 days ago) or do you just have to wait? |
| [00:21:52] | sphery: | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=myth . . . oq=&aqi= specifically |
| [00:22:29] | kormoc: | xris: so we have a webmaster account for mythtv.org? |
| [00:22:40] | xris: | huh? |
| [00:22:52] | kormoc: | Google Webmaster account for mythtv.org? |
| [00:22:59] | kormoc: | (or rather wiki.mythtv.org) |
| [00:23:02] | xris: | oh |
| [00:23:07] | xris: | hang on, I might |
| [00:23:25] | xris: | yeah, I do |
| [00:23:26] | kormoc: | sphery: if he does, he can request that they remove it from the index and it shouldn't be too long after that |
| [00:23:47] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [00:23:51] | sphery: | guess waiting isn't that bad |
| [00:24:04] | sphery: | we're no longer on page 1 of the google results for "apple trailers", so that's a good start |
| [00:24:46] | xris: | no idea where in this tool to submit, though |
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| [00:26:14] | xris: | found it. |
| [00:27:49] | xris: | and removal request submitted |
| [00:28:26] | sphery: | Woah... Beautiful theme shot on the wiki home page! |
| [00:28:37] | sphery: | nice to have it up-to-date :) |
| [00:28:55] | xris: | removal tool says it will need to return 404, though |
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| [00:29:11] | Dagmar: | sphery: I thought we fixed that weeks ago |
| [00:30:17] | sphery: | not according to history :) |
| [00:30:30] | Dagmar: | Someone put the apple trailers page back in? |
| [00:30:33] | sphery: | was Blue until 3 mins ago |
| [00:30:48] | Dagmar: | Oh, nevermind |
| [00:30:49] | sphery: | no, the redirect to the Myth_Apple_Trailers page never got deleted |
| [00:30:56] | xris: | it's empty, but still shows 200 status |
| [00:30:58] | Dagmar: | Man those wrnehces are nuts |
| [00:31:58] | sphery: | Dagmar: it just shows that myth setup is way too complex--need way too many tools to wiggle the switches |
| [00:32:13] | sphery: | time to delete a bunch of settings! |
| [00:32:13] | Dagmar: | sphery: Sounds like fair warning to me tho |
| [00:32:41] | Dagmar: | xris: Well, I think at the time no one around had access to yank pages entirely |
| [00:33:07] | xris: | easy to do now, I guess. kormoc and/or iamlindoro can. |
| [00:33:13] | xris: | anyway, time for me to go home. afk |
| [00:33:22] | Dagmar: | ...and I never found any tasteful way to say "Stop getting this project legal heat with your molestation of ToS agreements" |
| [00:33:52] | sphery: | Dagmar: yeah, gbee deleted the Myth_Apple_Trailers page 5 days ago. |
| [00:34:15] | sphery: | but your taking out all the text got us off the google page 1 results long before that :) |
| [00:34:34] | Dagmar: | Yeah, thanks to spammers harassing dropline's wiki I've figured out a few things |
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| [00:37:11] | Lunar_Lamp: | I asked this earlier in here today, but I'm going to unashedly ask it again as it's opinions I'm looking for: does a mac mini serve as a decent mythtv frontend. It must be able to do HD output, and it's small and quiet, and they;re just about my main criteria. |
| [00:38:24] | sphery: | Lunar_Lamp must be using a Debian-based system, since he's "unashedly ask[ing] it again" (whereas many other GNU/Linux users "una/bash/edly ask it again" |
| [00:39:25] | sphery: | Lunar_Lamp: I'm a big fan of invisible frontends--not necessarily small nor quiet. Get a sufficiently-powerful system and stick it in another room and run cables through/around walls to the viewing room. |
| [00:39:35] | Lunar_Lamp: | I meant "unashamedly" ;-) |
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| [00:40:04] | sphery: | heh, that works, too |
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| [00:40:28] | Lunar_Lamp: | sphery: that's an option that I've considered, but unfortunately I live in a rented property so drilling holes etc is not feasible, and the carpets aren't friendly to being lifted and having cables run underneath. |
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| [00:40:41] | sphery: | but, basically, if you go small and quiet /and/ powerful enuogh for a myth frontend, you end up spending a /lot/ of money for the small/quiet |
| [00:40:53] | Lunar_Lamp: | sphery: that's teh conclusion I've come to also. |
| [00:41:21] | Lunar_Lamp: | I can live with it being not tiny – the mac mini is smaller than I'd initially planned. |
| [00:41:38] | Lunar_Lamp: | e.g. the size of an old fashioned VHS player wouldn't bother me. |
| [00:41:42] | sphery: | there's also the possibility of running cables along the baseboards--and can be done without much visual detriment if your room layouts happen to be just right |
| [00:42:04] | Lunar_Lamp: | sphery: yeah, I went through this once already laying network cable – it just doesn't quite work :-( |
| [00:43:10] | sphery: | I can't recommend anything in the small/quiet genre (as I've never shopped for small/quiet), but I will recommend you get at least a 2GHz Core 2 Duo (or better, 2.6GHz or better) or an Athlon* X2 5000+ or better |
| [00:43:37] | sphery: | for small/quiet, you should go for low-TDP (which I actually do, but for power savings). |
| [00:43:42] | Lunar_Lamp: | Ah, ok, that's useful information. I wasn't sure what I should be gunning for in the Athlon realm. |
| [00:44:00] | sphery: | I'm currently holding out for the AMD Athlon II X2 45W TDP (dual core) procs which should be released on Oct 22. |
| [00:44:27] | Lunar_Lamp: | Hmm, I'm willing to go relatively large if it saves me significant cash. |
| [00:44:56] | Lunar_Lamp: | (and I'm aware the mac mini is overpriced for what I get; particularly as I don't care about the OSX etc) |
| [00:45:00] | sphery: | I like the Athlon II X2 240e ( http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Athlon% . . . HDK23GQ.html ), which is a 2.8GHz dual-core at 45W |
| [00:46:14] | sphery: | I have a backend system spec'ed out at about $200 with the Athlon II X2 240 (the 65W non-energy-efficient chip from whose line the 240e's will be picked, but which is available today) |
| [00:46:27] | Lunar_Lamp: | Wait, WHAT?! |
| [00:46:32] | sphery: | it could be a frontend system with the addition of a nice nvidia GPU (for $30 or so) |
| [00:46:35] | Lunar_Lamp: | $200?! |
| [00:47:09] | sphery: | CPU/2GB RAM/mobo with integrated ATI GPU and audio/mid-tower case/80 PLUS PSU |
| [00:47:47] | sphery: | not that I'd recommend the mobo to others, but ... |
| [00:47:47] | Lunar_Lamp: | Where are you buying from? THat seems to be insane value. |
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| [00:49:04] | kormoc: | newegg? |
| [00:49:10] | Dagmar: | The price has to be low to overcome the ATI stigma. ;) |
| [00:50:23] | sphery: | Lunar_Lamp: newegg |
| [00:50:36] | Lunar_Lamp: | Ah, they do not deliver to the UK :-)( |
| [00:50:52] | sphery: | ah, yeah, and with UK, you'll have all the VAT, etc., so it will be a lot more |
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| [00:52:09] | sphery: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341020 + promo code EMCMLMP32 would drop the $209.96 |
| [00:52:12] | sphery: | $244.96 with free shipping – $15 MIR (Mobo) – $20 MIR (PSU) = $209.96 |
| [00:52:35] | kormoc: | But but but... it's OCZ... |
| [00:52:44] | ** kormoc wants them to die in a fire ** | |
| [00:53:09] | sphery: | er, the $209.96 total price would go down to $199.96 (because PSU is $10 cheaper, but still 80 PLUS, though it doesn't say 80 PLUS) |
| [00:53:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: gee, I guess YMMV... I've had nothing but good luck with OCZ memory... |
| [00:53:42] | sphery: | I have one OCZ 80 PLUS PSU that seems good |
| [00:54:00] | sphery: | have like 5 Antec Earthwatts, though, but they're not on sale right now |
| [00:54:20] | highzeth: | http://cp.ohhh.no/p/m661c2739 could anyone enlighten me on the transcode deadlock err? |
| [00:54:32] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A: back when OCZ first started, there was a big hubbah about them cause they were just rebranding kingston ram and sending high end corsair ram to reviews are their's, I've never trusted them from that point on |
| [00:54:48] | sphery: | highzeth: I think "fixed in trunk" |
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| [00:55:26] | sphery: | kormoc: originally they took other ram and OC'ed it for you, right? |
| [00:55:27] | highzeth: | so fixed after r22436? /me checks commits |
| [00:55:37] | sphery: | highzeth: no, it wasn't recent |
| [00:55:39] | kormoc: | sphery: aye, kingsten |
| [00:56:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Gee, I had a system that Kingston ram didn't work in... but the OCZ ram worked 1st try... very odd. |
| [00:56:14] | sphery: | highzeth: I stand corrected. Not fixed: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2077 |
| [00:56:39] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A: this was many years ago, they might have cleaned up, who knows, but I hold grudges for a *long* time |
| [00:56:40] | sphery: | was fixed, then reverted because other stuff needs fixed to work with the fixed stuff |
| [00:57:06] | highzeth: | sphery: aha, ok, thanx, not a prio channel, first time Ive seen it occur =) |
| [00:57:07] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: they're now using other brands, too |
| [00:57:41] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: they were using some of the bad batch of Elpida ram and they actually recalled it/admitted it (some other venders didn't--including a certain K vendor, IIRC) |
| [00:58:09] | mchou: | yeah, OCZ is lame |
| [00:58:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Ah... ok... funny thing is that same Kingston ram worked perfectly in another box... |
| [00:58:39] | highzeth: | that said, 1 other recording went through with flying colours from same channel, albeit recorded with trunk, the above was from fixes. Not sure if that is relevant |
| [00:59:12] | sphery: | highzeth: no, I think the problem is just that we're using an ancient version of replex |
| [00:59:34] | sphery: | but to update, we need to fix all sorts of other stuff (like MythArchive and ...) |
| [00:59:38] | kormoc: | Hrm |
| [00:59:50] | kormoc: | I'm approaching the MTBF for my server's power supply |
| [01:00:00] | highzeth: | goes deeper, understood, no stress =) |
| [01:00:07] | sphery: | kormoc: time to try out OCZ, again! |
| [01:00:14] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [01:00:39] | kormoc: | Nah, I'm gonna go with a Pc Power and Cooling Silencer 910, 80+ silver |
| [01:00:51] | sphery: | oh, also, kormoc , I'm back-burnering the strict mode changes, too ... got uglier than I want for now |
| [01:00:57] | kormoc: | kk |
| [01:01:06] | sphery: | ooooh... silver. nice |
| [01:01:19] | kormoc: | 88% under typical load |
| [01:01:22] | sphery: | I just buy the tin level ones |
| [01:01:49] | sphery: | though I never go anywhere near a kW |
| [01:02:04] | sphery: | is it serving only one system? |
| [01:02:09] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [01:02:15] | kormoc: | just the stack of drives keeps growing |
| [01:02:46] | kormoc: | my last one is a tad over 10 years old already, this one will likely last the same, might as well go a bit bigger and have it really last |
| [01:02:56] | sphery: | and it's in the 20% to 100% load range even at idle? (182W or above) |
| [01:03:19] | kormoc: | as in cpu? |
| [01:03:23] | sphery: | no, system |
| [01:03:34] | kormoc: | well, the box is never idle, so... |
| [01:03:38] | sphery: | just meaning that if you go below 20% load, some of the 80 PLUS really drop |
| [01:04:27] | mchou: | sphery: drop to what? |
| [01:04:48] | sphery: | to much lower efficiency |
| [01:04:56] | kormoc: | looks fairly solid in the entire curve, http://www.80plus.org/manu/psu/psu_reports/PC . . . W_Report.pdf |
| [01:05:06] | mchou: | sphery: ok, I thought that's what you meant |
| [01:05:31] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, but they don't show below 20% |
| [01:05:47] | mchou: | bingo! |
| [01:06:43] | mchou: | yeah, big power supplies are a waste |
| [01:06:50] | sphery: | but since it sounds like yours is actually pulling 182W+, you shouldn't have a problem |
| [01:07:30] | kormoc: | Currently I'm pulling around 400W, and I'm moving to a i7, 3x the ram, and another 6 drives |
| [01:08:07] | mchou: | that's ridiculous. my _server_ draws 90W at most |
| [01:08:13] | ** J-e-f-f-A has a 600W supply, but he also has 9 HDDs and an Athlon 64 X2 6000+ hungry processor... ** | |
| [01:08:34] | mchou: | in fact, it's also serving as frontend atm |
| [01:09:06] | sphery: | not ridiculous if he's using that power |
| [01:09:09] | mchou: | mine has 4 HDDs |
| [01:09:27] | sphery: | his has 9? |
| [01:10:18] | kormoc: | 9 right now, aye |
| [01:10:27] | mchou: | dude, that's at _most_ 50W more |
| [01:10:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: hehe.. same as me. ;-) |
| [01:10:35] | kormoc: | 9 always active |
| [01:10:43] | ** J-e-f-f-A too ** | |
| [01:10:48] | mchou: | 10W/per drive is way beyond conservative |
| [01:11:34] | mchou: | on average in real life each drive is closer to 6W |
| [01:11:37] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [01:11:46] | kormoc: | All I know is my ups reports ~400w draw |
| [01:11:53] | mchou: | haha |
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| [01:11:59] | sphery: | kormoc: is it an 80 PLUS PSU, now? |
| [01:12:04] | kormoc: | nah |
| [01:12:04] | mchou: | I knew it |
| [01:12:19] | mchou: | you never bothered to actually measure |
| [01:12:20] | Sigma0824: | hello community. I am looking for a TV tuner card and was hoping there was a list of supported hardware? |
| [01:12:48] | Sigma0824: | Opensuse11.1 kde4.3.1 64Bit |
| [01:13:14] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, I'll bet it will drop by about 80W when you switch to an 80 PLUS (assuming the same 400W hardware) |
| [01:13:29] | sphery: | 80W assuming the silver, 50W for the "plain" |
| [01:13:35] | mchou: | Sigma0824: umm, why should tvtuner care which distro you using? |
| [01:13:57] | sphery: | Sigma0824: linuxtv.org/wiki |
| [01:14:13] | kormoc: | sphery: looks like current is 75% |
| [01:14:14] | Sigma0824: | Just giving background info on my system |
| [01:14:21] | sphery: | Sigma0824: if you're using digital capture, any supported one works well |
| [01:14:43] | sphery: | Sigma0824: if you're using analog capture, go for the Hauppauge PVR-150, PVR-500, or HVR-1600 (assuming NTSC) |
| [01:14:59] | sphery: | important part being, get a real hardware encoder for analog capture |
| [01:15:32] | Sigma0824: | I was looking into a Hauppauge Card. Seems to be a good manufacturer. |
| [01:15:51] | sphery: | kormoc: so that would mean about 340W after the switch--so a 60W drop |
| [01:16:02] | kormoc: | which would be quite nice |
| [01:16:16] | sphery: | (which is ~ $60/yr at $0.10/kWh) |
| [01:16:41] | kormoc: | and it's only a $200 power supply, it'll earn it back well in the next 10 years |
| [01:17:25] | Sigma0824: | Can I use a hybrid card to get analog and digital |
| [01:17:26] | sphery: | er, $52.56 at $0.10/kWh or $63.07 at $0.12/kWh |
| [01:17:53] | sphery: | Sigma0824: the HVR-1600 can do analog and digital |
| [01:18:11] | sphery: | note that there are still issues with the HVR-1800 in myth (IIRC) |
| [01:18:16] | sphery: | so the HVR-1600 is the way to go |
| [01:18:17] | Sigma0824: | will all Hauppauge card work within linux? |
| [01:18:38] | Sigma0824: | Very new to this area. |
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| [01:18:59] | sphery: | see linuxtv.org/wiki for a list of what works |
| [01:19:07] | Sigma0824: | I am there now |
| [01:19:17] | sphery: | but note that HVR-1800 is a special case (analog works in linux, but not in Myth, TTBOMK) |
| [01:20:22] | Sigma0824: | I would like to use Myth, think the HVR-1600 would be my best bet |
| [01:20:51] | sphery: | yeah, if you want digital and analog |
| [01:21:04] | Sigma0824: | That specific card is not listed on their site? |
| [01:21:49] | sphery: | if you're going with multiple, you can go cheaper--if doing mostly digital, but some analog, get some HVR-1250's (digital only) for extra digital or if going mostly analog with some digital, get some extra PVR-150's (in the US, you'll have to get used, i.e. from ebay) |
| [01:22:09] | sphery: | PVR-150's are analog only |
| [01:22:34] | sphery: | the HVR-1600 is PCI |
| [01:22:39] | Sigma0824: | I am in the US. I use comcast. Which I believe sends analog and digital through there network |
| [01:22:52] | sphery: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge |
| [01:23:04] | sphery: | the analog may be disappearing, though |
| [01:23:07] | mchou: | avoid hvr-1600 like the plague |
| [01:23:18] | Sigma0824: | mchou: please elaborate. |
| [01:23:29] | mchou: | digital side on that is broken |
| [01:23:47] | Sigma0824: | do i need analog anymore? |
| [01:23:49] | mchou: | dropouts, pixelation, all sorts of nastiness |
| [01:24:10] | mchou: | not to mention absurd pci bus utilization |
| [01:24:29] | mchou: | Sigma0824: most likely not |
| [01:25:07] | sphery: | the http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1800 has working analog in GNU/Linux, but analog doesn't work in Myth, yet |
| [01:25:15] | mchou: | you can go to silicondust web site, enter your zip, see what's in the clar in digital |
| [01:25:16] | sphery: | but it's PCIe |
| [01:25:28] | mchou: | clear* |
| [01:25:35] | sphery: | the SiliconDust HDHomeRUn is also a good choice for digital |
| [01:26:17] | sphery: | as far as analog, it completely depends on your area, but Comcast is rolling out DTA's that allow them to fit more channels on the line, but require digital |
| [01:26:20] | ** J-e-f-f-A has a HDHR and loves it... ;-) ** | |
| [01:26:23] | sphery: | so they're pushing hard to get rid of digital |
| [01:26:33] | mchou: | what? |
| [01:26:51] | mchou: | you mean analog |
| [01:26:53] | Sigma0824: | you mean pushing hard to get rid of analog? |
| [01:26:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: sphery meant "analog" |
| [01:27:32] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: you guys separated at birth? |
| [01:27:36] | Sigma0824: | Thats is what I thought. Do not think it is worth it to spend extra cash to get a card that will use analog when it is dying a slow death |
| [01:27:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: Probably.. we think alike alot... ;-) |
| [01:28:34] | sphery: | oops, yeah, pushing hard to get rid of analog |
| [01:28:46] | sphery: | my fingers don't know what they're saying |
| [01:30:13] | mchou: | Sigma0824: one of the few reasons to go analog is if you subscribe to premium channels like HBO or have satellite |
| [01:30:41] | mchou: | Sigma0824: but even for that it's hardly desirable |
| [01:30:51] | sphery: | right, anything that's encrypted means analog access only |
| [01:31:02] | sphery: | then you'd use your DTA or STB to decrypt and output analog to an analog encoder |
| [01:31:31] | sphery: | agreed--ideal for encrypted channels is to not get them and "vote with your wallet" |
| [01:32:08] | mchou: | HBO has decent shows |
| [01:32:11] | sphery: | I'm currently voting with a $0.00/mo cable TV bill--instead using an antenna for OTA reception, only |
| [01:32:27] | mchou: | HBO for example has biography of Muarice Sendak |
| [01:33:11] | mchou: | Maurice* |
| [01:33:27] | Sigma0824: | mchou: I have comcast. A local cable company. |
| [01:33:52] | mchou: | Sigma0824: and you point is? |
| [01:33:57] | mchou: | your* |
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| [01:36:41] | Sigma0824: | mchou: Provided background of my current situation. no point intended. |
| [01:38:29] | mchou: | Sigma0824: you mentioned some time ago you were with comcast. no real need to reiterate |
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| [01:46:21] | Sigma0824: | mchou: My apologies. |
| [01:46:24] | mike_hurley_1: | is there a key binding called JUMPTODVDCHAPTERMENU? |
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| [01:46:30] | mike_hurley_1: | in trunk/0.22 |
| [01:46:51] | mchou: | Sigma0824: dont let me catch you doing it again :) |
| [01:47:19] | mike_hurley_1: | i entered a bug against JUMPTODVDROOTMENU not working and was told to try JUMPTODVDCHAPTERMENU and i can't find it in any of the key categories |
| [01:48:52] | sphery: | mike_hurley_1: heh, it's there, but it's not registered, so it doesn't show up in mythcontrols... |
| [01:49:29] | mike_hurley_1: | is it settable or is it a fixed key? |
| [01:50:10] | sphery: | mike_hurley_1: you should try JUMPTODVDCHAPTERMENU and JUMPTODVDTITLEMENU . |
| [01:50:28] | mike_hurley_1: | where? |
| [01:51:38] | mike_hurley_1: | sphery: looking in the database, keybindings table, there's only JUMPTODVDROOTMENU, I don't see the chapter or title ones |
| [01:53:13] | sphery: | mike_hurley_1: yeah, that's because it's not registered, so it's never put in the db |
| [01:53:30] | sphery: | mike_hurley_1: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "INSERT INTO keybindings VALUES ('TV Playback', 'JUMPTODVDCHAPTERMENU', 'Jump to the DVD Chapter Menu', <your keys>, <your hostname>);" |
| [01:53:46] | sphery: | mike_hurley_1: make sure you change <your keys> and <your hostname> as appropriate |
| [01:54:11] | sphery: | mike_hurley_1: I recommend doing that, then going in and deleting the keylist and then setting a new one so MythControls checks for conflicts |
| [01:54:23] | sphery: | mike_hurley_1: and do the same for a JUMPTODVDTITLEMENU |
| [01:54:33] | mike_hurley_1: | sphery: any reason why those aren't in the list by default? |
| [01:54:38] | sphery: | if that works for you, I'll add the code to register those key bindings so they go in the list |
| [01:54:57] | sphery: | probably because no one has ever asked to be able to set them? |
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| [01:55:15] | sphery: | but basically, if those bindings help you--if it's a non-root menu--I'll put them in the list |
| [01:55:42] | sphery: | if they don't help (meaning that it may well be a root menu and a DVD player bug), it's probably not worth putting htem in the list |
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| [01:58:55] | sphery: | mike_hurley_1: better approach: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "INSERT INTO keybindings VALUES ('TV Playback', 'JUMPTODVDCHAPTERMENU', 'Jump to the DVD Chapter Menu', '', <your hostname>);" |
| [01:59:04] | sphery: | then use mythcontrols to set (and check) the keys |
| [01:59:11] | sphery: | (fix your hostname, though) |
| [01:59:31] | mike_hurley_1: | sphery: how does having the 3 "actions" compare to what a dvd player's menu button will do? |
| [01:59:33] | sphery: | so just setting a blank keylist puts it where mythcontrols will find it, then you can edit it correctly |
| [01:59:47] | mike_hurley_1: | i can appreciate the flexibility but wouldn't it be best to emulate a dvd player in this case? |
| [01:59:51] | sphery: | mike_hurley_1: generally dvd players have multiple menu buttons |
| [02:00:16] | sphery: | but we need to first figure out why the JUMPTODVDROOTMENU isn't working--the easiest explanation is "because it's not a root menu" |
| [02:00:32] | sphery: | if it's not and it turns out to be a title or chapter menu, then we can think about having better "menu fallback" code |
| [02:03:43] | Sigma0824: | how do you set your computer to change channels on the STB using an IR transmitter |
| [02:04:14] | Dagmar: | With great care |
| [02:04:23] | Sigma0824: | Dagmar: Thanks. |
| [02:04:29] | Dagmar: | ...and generally naked. |
| [02:04:39] | Dagmar: | I find it helps me read better. |
| [02:04:40] | Sigma0824: | ofcourse. thought that was understood. :) |
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| [02:05:39] | sphery: | when I used to do it, I used a homebrew serial-port IR transmitter at http://www.lirc.org/improved_transmitter.html , but you can do something simpler ( http://www.lirc.org/transmitters.html ) or even a purchased one ( http://www.lirc.org/ ) |
| [02:06:13] | sphery: | as serial ports become less common, homebrew IR transmitters are getting harder to use |
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| [02:06:59] | sphery: | I've considered http://iguanaworks.net/ir/ for USB, but I don't like their software design that much |
| [02:07:06] | sphery: | (it requires a piece in addition to lirc) |
| [02:07:20] | Sigma0824: | I found this howto http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html |
| [02:08:10] | mike_hurley_1: | sphery: none of the 3 menu shortcuts work |
| [02:08:22] | mike_hurley_1: | root menu tells me via osd "dvd menu unavailable" |
| [02:08:38] | sphery: | Sigma0824: there's also http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Homebrew_lirc_reciever_parts and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC |
| [02:08:47] | Sigma0824: | It requires additional hardware. |
| [02:09:03] | sphery: | oh, and the mce remote version of the HVR-1600 might come with the IR blaster http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote |
| [02:09:13] | sphery: | someone else would have to let you know if that's the case |
| [02:09:22] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote#IR_Blasting |
| [02:09:58] | sphery: | mike_hurley_1: same message for title and chapter menus |
| [02:10:11] | mike_hurley_1: | no, nothing for those |
| [02:10:26] | mike_hurley_1: | only the root key gives the message |
| [02:10:45] | mike_hurley_1: | i'm going to try again with -v playback,extra and attach to my bug |
| [02:11:05] | sphery: | make sure you do a mythbackend --clearcache too |
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| [02:11:13] | sphery: | and/or restart your frontend |
| [02:11:40] | mike_hurley_1: | i know the keymap got refreshed because i changed the key for root at the same time as the others and root appears to fire its event |
| [02:14:08] | sphery: | mike_hurley_1: then you'll probably need to update the ticket to include information about what specific DVD you're playing. Stanley will likely put it on his NetFlix queue and then fix it once he can test. |
| [02:16:44] | Sigma0824: | thanks everyone. have a good one. |
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| [02:17:01] | Wicked: | what file system do you guys recomend? i thought i saw someone in here mention something about jfs or xfs? |
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| [02:18:58] | sphery: | mike_hurley_1: actually, now I'm thinking that without the REG_KEY, those keys aren't doing anything. Any chance you can apply http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-73 . . . u_keys.patch and re-test title/chapter menus? |
| [02:19:02] | [R]: | Wicked: the mythtv documenation has a section on filesystems |
| [02:19:34] | Wicked: | [R], ah ok. ill go scope it out |
| [02:19:54] | mike_hurley_1: | sphery: how much messing around is it if i don't know anything about the mythtv build process? |
| [02:20:08] | sphery: | mike_hurley_1: too much |
| [02:20:25] | sphery: | probably better to just post the DVD info on the ticket and let Stanley test it |
| [02:20:55] | mike_hurley_1: | so the log i made with a mapped title, chapter, and root is worthless since it's only going to have root events? |
| [02:20:59] | sphery: | if you were currently building, it would be easy, but if you're using packages, it's difficult to switch (especially if you want to go back to packages afterward) |
| [02:21:11] | sphery: | I think so |
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| [02:21:27] | sphery: | I think it's ignoring the chapter/title menu buttons |
| [02:21:42] | mike_hurley_1: | are there certain files on the iso i can attach that aren't huge that'll help debugging? |
| [02:21:47] | mike_hurley_1: | IFOs or whatever else? |
| [02:22:05] | sphery: | no, he'll probably need to get the actual DVD |
| [02:22:10] | sphery: | is it a normal commercial dvd? |
| [02:22:49] | mike_hurley_1: | yeah, tv show dvds as all my feature ones are mkvs now |
| [02:23:05] | sphery: | cool, then he can likely get it from NetFlix |
| [02:23:23] | sphery: | thanks for taking the time to test, though |
| [02:23:34] | mike_hurley_1: | the guy who suggested chapter/title in the ticket is mike dean if that matters |
| [02:23:36] | sphery: | sorry for leading you astray thinking those actions were hooked up properly |
| [02:23:45] | sphery: | yeah, I know him well... :) |
| [02:23:48] | sphery: | (it's me) |
| [02:23:52] | mike_hurley_1: | ha |
| [02:24:15] | mike_hurley_1: | you lead me off twice! :P |
| [02:24:19] | sphery: | that's why his name got highlighted on my IRC window, too |
| [02:24:33] | sphery: | well, I consider it once--just with a long time period |
| [02:25:17] | mike_hurley_1: | oh, did you reply via a mailing list? |
| [02:25:25] | mike_hurley_1: | i went looking for the ticket url and couldn't find it |
| [02:26:29] | sphery: | yeah, was on the list – ticket is http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7303 |
| [02:26:49] | sphery: | oh, and it might actually be useful to get a -v important,general,playback,extra log file |
| [02:27:13] | sphery: | as the "No DVD Menu available." message is logged at general, which you've disabled with -v playback,extra |
| [02:27:39] | Wicked: | ah damn. qt4.4+ is not in hardy :( |
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| [02:28:15] | sphery: | there's probably some heron out there saying, "Hardy, har, har!" |
| [02:28:39] | sphery: | on the bright side, Karmic approaches release... |
| [02:28:42] | iamlindoro: | PUN TROUT |
| [02:28:44] | Wicked: | yea |
| [02:28:48] | iamlindoro: | !trout sphery pun |
| [02:28:48] | ** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a pun trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [02:29:00] | Wicked: | i was hoping to keep hardy for a bit longer...ive gotten it setup exactly how i want it |
| [02:29:12] | sphery: | that means you've kept it too long |
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| [02:32:41] | Dagmar: | We don't make the rules, we just notice them. |
| [02:33:21] | sphery: | mike_hurley_1: hmmm... I might be able to borrow Robot Chicken S1 DVD's from a friend (pretty sure he has them) |
| [02:33:28] | sphery: | thanks for the update/list |
| [02:33:59] | mike_hurley_1: | wouldn't surprise me if it's something crappy on adult swim's side as they're known for being cheap |
| [02:34:11] | sphery: | heh, but Futurama!!! |
| [02:34:16] | sphery: | so good |
| [02:34:25] | sphery: | (and coming back! :D ) |
| [02:35:58] | Wicked: | is graphite supposed to have pictures for all the menu options? |
| [02:36:09] | Wicked: | mine just has the label |
| [02:36:15] | Wicked: | with no pictures |
| [02:37:27] | sphery: | I'm guessing there may be some missing |
| [02:37:41] | Wicked: | this was svn from lastnight at like 12am |
| [02:37:49] | Wicked: | i just svn up'ed and recompiling now |
| [02:38:46] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: did you ever get a chance to try out the h264 reordered_opaque patch on your hd-pvr recordings? |
| [02:38:49] | sphery: | are you talking about in the menus? |
| [02:38:57] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure there are no watermarks in there on Graphite |
| [02:39:00] | sphery: | anywhere |
| [02:39:08] | sphery: | i.e. clean theme |
| [02:39:16] | Wicked: | well like. it looks like there should be something |
| [02:39:23] | Wicked: | ill take a screen shot in a few mins |
| [02:39:37] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, Think/thought janneg had applied some version of the same? |
| [02:39:55] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, What I tried a week or so ago worked well w/ Hd-PVR |
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| [02:40:36] | mike_hurley_1: | sphery: related to the menus, is there any reason why there's a bunch of white/random colored dots at the top of the screen at dvd menus? |
| [02:40:51] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: he didn't apply the reordered_opaque patch but he did apply the fix for seeking when a video has a non-zero start_time |
| [02:41:18] | mike_hurley_1: | sometimes it's maybe a half dozen maybe 2x2 white dots along the top and sometimes it looks like random crap across the top |
| [02:41:45] | sphery: | Wicked: is it like: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/Graphite-Menu.png (which, TTBOMK, is right--and looks right to me) |
| [02:42:03] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, in that case, your patch worked fine for me while I had it applied, w/ ffwd/rewd working as expected |
| [02:42:05] | elmojo: | he mentioned that he was going to add the reordered_opaque feature later |
| [02:42:10] | Wicked: | sphery, yes |
| [02:42:23] | Wicked: | whats TTBOMK |
| [02:42:26] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: cool, thanks for testing |
| [02:42:29] | Wicked: | to the best of my knolege? |
| [02:42:39] | Wicked: | * knowledge |
| [02:43:03] | Wicked: | i just figured there would be a visual reprisentation with the menu |
| [02:43:04] | sphery: | yep |
| [02:43:11] | Wicked: | easier for me to recognize |
| [02:43:19] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: was wondering if you noticed any memory leaks using the OpenGL painter? |
| [02:43:20] | sphery: | none in Graphite |
| [02:43:25] | sphery: | Terra has them (though is missing some) |
| [02:43:32] | Wicked: | yea |
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| [02:43:43] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, Not that I have noticed, but TBH I haven't been looking |
| [02:44:07] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: simply entering and exiting a recording causes memory to slowly leak |
| [02:44:36] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: Qt painter doesn't cause an issue at all |
| [02:44:48] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, Hmm, okay, I'll keep my eyes open for it |
| [02:45:47] | sphery: | elmojo: entering and exiting /playback/ of a recording? |
| [02:45:52] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: yes |
| [02:45:55] | sphery: | are you sure it's theme related and not playback? |
| [02:46:28] | elmojo: | sphery: not sure but when I switched painters to Qt it stopped |
| [02:46:59] | elmojo: | sphery: I imagine most devs won't notice cause they restart the frontend frequently |
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| [02:47:19] | elmojo: | but I can imagine a system that's used frequently over days/weeks might run out of memory |
| [02:47:55] | sphery: | would be interesting to see if you can reproduce it with other themes, too |
| [02:48:08] | sphery: | (ones that don't have the banner art, etc) |
| [02:48:12] | elmojo: | sphery: didn't seem theme related since I tried several |
| [02:48:19] | sphery: | ok, cool |
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| [02:48:35] | elmojo: | OpenGL painter with Mythcenter-wide causes it |
| [02:49:15] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [02:49:34] | Wicked: | mythweather seems to only get weather from bbc...and they have no entry close to me |
| [02:49:35] | sphery: | elmojo: cool... thanks for checking--narrows down the possibilities of where it could be |
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| [02:50:15] | elmojo: | sphery: so have you noticed anything yourself? |
| [02:50:37] | sphery: | Wicked: there's the US National Weather Service, too--and full support for providing your own grabber scripts (which you can then post on trac to be included--assuming they're in compliance with site ToS) |
| [02:51:02] | sphery: | elmojo: I do my best to never start the frontend on my dev box and I'm still on 0.21-fixes on production |
| [02:51:26] | sphery: | (the frontend of my dev box is /way/ over in the other room) |
| [02:52:04] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [02:52:21] | Wicked: | i dont see anywhere in the settings to change the weather stuff |
| [02:52:25] | elmojo: | sphery: smart – I made the plunge to trunk a long time ago to be able to use VDPAU in production |
| [02:52:54] | sphery: | heh, I have systems and sources that don't require it, so I've been extremely patient about vdpau |
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| [02:53:22] | elmojo: | should have used the backport but iamlindoro probably wouldn't talk to me ever again |
| [02:53:43] | Wicked: | hmm mythfrontend just crashed when going into my image gallery |
| [02:54:14] | elmojo: | sphery: I just got tired of barely getting by performance-wise and having to used bob2X deinterlacing |
| [02:56:27] | Wicked: | yea. i dont see anyway to tell mythtv what weather scripts to use. |
| [02:56:50] | sphery: | elmojo: I fixed that the old fashioned way--with better-performing hardware |
| [02:57:41] | sphery: | Wicked: I set mine up right after this version of mythweather went in (and it no longer works), so I don't remember any of it (except that it was traumatic enough my mind is trying to block it all out) |
| [02:57:53] | Wicked: | lkol |
| [02:57:55] | Wicked: | *lol |
| [02:58:15] | sphery: | anyway, might want to check http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeather |
| [02:58:28] | sphery: | shows there's also Canada scripts |
| [02:58:30] | elmojo: | sphery: heh – you'd be proud of what I did the other day – my small form factor PC's power supply died so I had a spare full-size 380W Earth Watts PS that I hooked up externally |
| [02:58:51] | elmojo: | if that doesn't get me to upgrade then what will |
| [02:58:54] | sphery: | actually, that page is 100x better than I expected for a MythWeather page |
| [02:59:12] | sphery: | elmojo: heh, cool--80 PLUS ftw! :) |
| [02:59:45] | elmojo: | sphery: so my main front end has a full-size ATX power supply hanging out of it and a PCI graphics card too |
| [03:00:15] | sphery: | heh, gotta get pics of that |
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| [03:00:58] | elmojo: | looks good since I hide it behind the dvd collection :) |
| [03:02:17] | sphery: | woah... 1011 recordings... I'm a bit behind on my watching |
| [03:03:35] | elmojo: | do you ever delete anything? |
| [03:04:04] | iamlindoro: | He deletes *everything* |
| [03:04:11] | iamlindoro: | he just records everything too |
| [03:04:17] | elmojo: | hehe |
| [03:04:28] | elmojo: | how many capture devices? |
| [03:05:14] | ** iamlindoro has 6 tuner devices at 22 recordings ;) ** | |
| [03:05:20] | iamlindoro: | s/at/and/ |
| [03:05:23] | elmojo: | iamlindoro, sphery: this memory leak seems to consume about 15–20MB of memory every time I enter and exit a recording |
| [03:05:58] | elmojo: | 22 recordings or recorders? |
| [03:06:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | elmojo, sphery hehe... I did something similar about 6 years ago when I had an "accident" with my main pc's motherboard... This is how it looked for a few days after as I worked on it... ;-) http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/My_Poor_PC.jpg |
| [03:06:21] | iamlindoro: | 6 tuners, 18 encoders, 22 recordings (ATM) |
| [03:06:35] | iamlindoro: | I only record what I care enough about to keep, and what I keep goes to MythVideo |
| [03:06:46] | elmojo: | ah ok |
| [03:07:21] | [R]: | how can thre be that much on tfg |
| [03:07:25] | [R]: | tv* |
| [03:07:29] | [R]: | that you need 18 encoders |
| [03:07:32] | elmojo: | J-e-f-f-A: what kind of accident and why did it have to be out of the case? |
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| [03:08:36] | iamlindoro: | 3 x QAM tuners, each set to 5 multirec, 2x HD-PVRs for dual-recording premium channels like HBO and Showtime, 1x firewire |
| [03:08:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | elmojo: I was experimenting with a slimline laptop floppy drive, and accidentially shorted the 5v power to the ground leads on the floppy interface cable ... oops... pc wouldn't turn on/off reliably, but once you got it on, it worked... (and oh, the floppy controller was fried... oops!) |
| [03:09:37] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: that's impressive |
| [03:09:43] | [R]: | iamlindoro: you have that many chanenls on your QAM multiplexes? |
| [03:09:54] | iamlindoro: | [R], Some of them have many more |
| [03:10:01] | ** [R] gets all sad ** | |
| [03:10:17] | elmojo: | I've only got 2 HD channels that share the same multiplex |
| [03:10:21] | [R]: | i just have my locals and 2 "real" channels ar ethe most per multiplex |
| [03:10:47] | mag0o: | most on one multiplex here is PBS (and that's OTA) |
| [03:10:57] | mag0o: | just 3 channels for it |
| [03:10:58] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: does comcast have more that just broadcast channels via clear QAM? |
| [03:11:41] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, for the moment, yes, but I'm not counting on that remaining true |
| [03:11:55] | ** J-e-f-f-A just has ATSC digital now, so multirec isn't much use to him.... :-( ** | |
| [03:12:45] | wagnerrp: | but you can record your stories, and... the weather |
| [03:13:29] | wagnerrp: | or maybe you want to watch bad cartoons, home renovation, and animals eating animals on PBS |
| [03:13:40] | [R]: | stories |
| [03:13:41] | [R]: | rofl |
| [03:13:58] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: when I lived out there it was just analog only |
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| [03:14:31] | iamlindoro: | analog is gone, and they haven't turned on DTA encryption *yet*, but it's coming |
| [03:14:50] | elmojo: | and TWC here is quite stingy about HD channels – at first they had DiscoveryHD and TNTHD in the clear but that didn't last long |
| [03:14:57] | iamlindoro: | however, even when that happens I can still use the QAM tuners for broadcast channels, and the HD-PVRs + firewire for others |
| [03:15:30] | [R]: | i just dont get it... what do they gain by turning on encryption? |
| [03:15:39] | [R]: | especially if they give out the analog convertor boxes |
| [03:15:50] | iamlindoro: | prevent a bit-perfect copy |
| [03:15:55] | elmojo: | so do you get DiscoveryHD, etc in the clear right now? |
| [03:16:01] | iamlindoro: | and inconvenience people who they want to have locked-in |
| [03:16:13] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, DiscoveryHD via firewire, but not via QAM |
| [03:16:15] | sphery: | elmojo: I have 4 cards and watch and delete, so that's 1022 unwatched recordings (nearly all high def) |
| [03:16:35] | [R]: | 1 hdpvr and 1 qam is all i need... |
| [03:16:36] | elmojo: | sphery: you need to take a coding break |
| [03:16:58] | sphery: | yeah, not enough watching, lately |
| [03:17:20] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: nice pic--and I though my pc's were bad with the sides off (but all the guts inside) |
| [03:17:47] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: so do they only encrypt the premium channels like HBO, etc via firewire? |
| [03:18:11] | wagnerrp: | who needs cases anyway... |
| [03:18:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: hehe... it was only like that for a few days, then I replaced the motherboard I screwed up... and the PS too, thinking I probably damaged it with the short of 5V to ground for 10 seconds... |
| [03:18:16] | elmojo: | I dunno what TWC does for firewire |
| [03:18:17] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, pretty much, though there are a couple of channels that are getting more hit or miss over time, so I've switched them to HD-PVR also |
| [03:19:38] | wagnerrp: | if i didnt need a discrete card to power svideo out on one of my boxes, id just grab a pico-psu, and bolt the whole thing to the underside of the entertainment center cabinet |
| [03:20:45] | [R]: | wagnerrp: why not just get a new tv? |
| [03:21:13] | wagnerrp: | that would require trashing the piece of furniture |
| [03:21:27] | wagnerrp: | and would probably mean updating the receiver as well |
| [03:21:47] | wagnerrp: | and updating half the room because of the changes |
| [03:21:51] | [R]: | lol |
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| [03:22:05] | wagnerrp: | its a cabinet designed for a 4:3 tv |
| [03:22:17] | wagnerrp: | and a 32" 4:3 tv at that |
| [03:22:25] | wagnerrp: | meaning youre not going to get much of a new tv in there |
| [03:22:59] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: this memory leak with OpenGL painter is very serious – I just entered/exited recordings about 15 times and increased mythfrontend memory usage for 20–40% |
| [03:23:12] | [R]: | yeah, this guy at my work had that same problem |
| [03:23:26] | [R]: | elmojo: need some paper towels? |
| [03:24:01] | wagnerrp: | sadly, you can no longer buy motherboards with composite/svideo out |
| [03:25:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Maybe not with physical connectors on the ATX plate, but they have motherboard headers and/or special 'breakout' cables still, don't they??? |
| [03:25:53] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: if you find one, i would be very interested in hearing about it |
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| [03:38:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, looks like everything is DVI or HDMI now... s-video seems to be dead for built-in-video support anyways... |
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| [03:40:38] | wagnerrp: | and its everyone |
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| [03:40:46] | wagnerrp: | its not like i can just choose a non-nvidia board |
| [03:41:02] | wagnerrp: | i have to find a several year old one, that is still compatible with modern processors |
| [03:41:31] | wagnerrp: | or just end up using a discrete card with a larger case |
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| [03:44:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: maybe a small case with a card riser that puts it perpendicular to the board? (like a mini-itx case?) |
| [03:45:53] | mag0o: | wagnerrp: http://www.orbitmicro.com/global/jnc93-330w-b . . . tml?ref=base |
| [03:45:55] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah, but then im at the same high as half-height cards |
| [03:46:00] | wagnerrp: | so it doesnt really make a difference |
| [03:46:18] | wagnerrp: | mag0o: that is a piece of crap |
| [03:46:52] | ** mag0o scrolls up to check for !crap ** | |
| [03:46:54] | mag0o: | :) |
| [03:47:01] | jheizer: | nice, just upgraded to .22rc, so far so good |
| [03:47:17] | wagnerrp: | mag0o: as in something that can play my hddvd/br rips |
| [03:47:41] | wagnerrp: | so thats either vdpau, or something FAR more powerful than an atom |
| [03:48:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | If that were an Ion, then it might be useful... ;-) |
| [03:49:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: It'll probably be cheaper to upgrade your TV to an LCD. ;-) |
| [03:49:10] | mag0o: | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searc . . . BTkwCjCECjCE |
| [03:49:34] | wagnerrp: | what good is that going to do me? |
| [03:50:53] | ** mag0o goes back to sleep ** | |
| [03:51:30] | iamlindoro: | mag0o cannot sleep, mag0o must THEME |
| [03:51:37] | iamlindoro: | get back to work, sucka |
| [03:51:57] | mag0o: | oh yeah |
| [03:52:00] | mag0o: | thats why im up |
| [03:52:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | in that case, J-e-f-f-A goes to sleep in his place. ;-) ZZZzzz... hehehehehe |
| [03:52:04] | mag0o: | i forgot :) |
| [03:52:05] | iamlindoro: | I finished all the recording option screens today, get to work |
| [03:53:36] | mag0o: | im still hung up on the video metadata screen |
| [03:53:45] | iamlindoro: | So work on something else :) |
| [03:54:05] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: working on ArcLight? |
| [03:54:26] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, a little every day, yep |
| [03:54:52] | iamlindoro: | Everything I use daily is done, now it's all the random crap I don't use I have to do |
| [03:54:53] | elmojo: | I only have one issue with that theme |
| [03:55:04] | elmojo: | otherwise it'd be my favorite |
| [03:55:26] | iamlindoro: | It's not available for download, and I won't let you have a copy now? :) |
| [03:55:36] | elmojo: | you going to vertical menus? |
| [03:55:38] | iamlindoro: | see also: It's not GPL, and you get to pay for a font to use it |
| [03:56:05] | iamlindoro: | all menus in (the completed parts of) Arclight are vertical |
| [03:56:20] | iamlindoro: | and always have been |
| [03:57:02] | elmojo: | does ArcLight have the high cpu usage like graphite when using the opengl painter? |
| [03:57:20] | iamlindoro: | who knows |
| [03:57:22] | elmojo: | I'd like a more 'green' theme |
| [03:57:24] | elmojo: | :) |
| [03:57:38] | iamlindoro: | If it does, it's not more than any other theme-- It's not Graphite's fault that the painter goes nut |
| [03:57:39] | iamlindoro: | s |
| [03:58:00] | elmojo: | yes I understand it's the painter |
| [03:58:03] | iamlindoro: | currently idling in Watch Recordings at 14% |
| [03:58:25] | elmojo: | does it use the negative whatever that I hear you talk about? |
| [03:58:38] | iamlindoro: | negative coordinates? No |
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| [03:59:03] | wagnerrp: | elmojo: adjust the color setting on your tv |
| [03:59:05] | iamlindoro: | In trunk (not in .22) it can be used identically in both the Qt and GL Painters |
| [04:00:01] | elmojo: | you mean it looks and behaves identical with both painters? |
| [04:00:07] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [04:00:11] | elmojo: | awesome |
| [04:00:17] | iamlindoro: | though it requires trunk, it would not do so in .22 |
| [04:00:20] | elmojo: | I growing fond of the Qt painter |
| [04:00:27] | iamlindoro: | What in the heck for? It's awful |
| [04:00:37] | iamlindoro: | The Qt painter is massively inferior |
| [04:00:49] | elmojo: | wagnerrp: funny you say that cause I'm now using the new colorspace stuff jya checked in |
| [04:01:06] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: it's better at not leaking memory right now |
| [04:01:19] | iamlindoro: | so valgrind it and open a ticket ;) |
| [04:01:27] | elmojo: | I'm on it |
| [04:01:31] | iamlindoro: | as the GL painter will increasingly become your only choice |
| [04:01:32] | elmojo: | doing debug compile right now |
| [04:01:48] | iamlindoro: | (most of the features added in the future will be impossible or limited in the Qt painter) |
| [04:01:49] | k-man: | ooh, there is an RC for .22! cool |
| [04:02:41] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: it's my goal to start using opengl again |
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| [04:05:16] | jheizer: | hmm, having a problem with JYA repo on 9.04 Depends: libraw1394–11 but it is not installable |
| [04:05:27] | JohnQ: | Anyone know a way to make mythtv delete old episodes when recording new? (I know it has a 'expire' old episodes, but I want them to delete, not expire.) |
| [04:06:29] | sphery: | disable "Auto Expire Instead of Delete Recording"? |
| [04:06:33] | jya: | jheizer: try to install libraw1394 on its own and see what's the problem is, this is a Ubuntu system library |
| [04:07:37] | JohnQ: | sphery: Ooh. I didn't know there was such setting. I have it currently set to auto-expire everything. though... will that react badly? |
| [04:08:08] | sphery: | "Auto Expire Instead of Delete Recording: Instead of deleting a recording move recording to the 'Deleted' recgroup and turn on autoexpire." |
| [04:08:44] | sphery: | so if you disable that, then when a recording is deleted (by you or by the "record new and delete oldest" recording rule) it will actually be removed from disk |
| [04:08:45] | jheizer: | jya: yeah weird says it missing or obsoleted crap |
| [04:09:05] | jheizer: | jya: can install a -8 and -dev though |
| [04:09:08] | JohnQ: | Oh. that won't do what I want then. |
| [04:09:09] | JohnQ: | Darn |
| [04:09:35] | sphery: | JohnQ: but all deletes are treated equally--meaning you can't have it delete the recording file if you want to use the Deleted recgroup for you |
| [04:09:40] | JohnQ: | And it turns out that I have that setting off already. bummer |
| [04:09:40] | jya: | is that 0.21-fixs you're trying to install or trunk? |
| [04:10:03] | sphery: | JohnQ: but on the bright side, the new MythTV version shows you how much space you have available after programs are autoexpired |
| [04:10:14] | jheizer: | jya: trunk |
| [04:10:21] | sphery: | so you can actually see better what's in use |
| [04:10:44] | JohnQ: | Hm. Sounds like it cant do what I want to do. I'll live. |
| [04:11:02] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: I have to ask – do you think the OpenGL painter is superior to the VDPAU painter? |
| [04:11:02] | jya: | what do you have in your sources.list ? libraw1394–11 is for 9.10, not 9.04 |
| [04:11:12] | sphery: | JohnQ: any particular reason you want those recordings to disappear immediately |
| [04:11:20] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, yes, the VDPAU painter has some serious issues ATM |
| [04:11:29] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, scaling is broken, so is clipping |
| [04:11:43] | sphery: | has it been disabled for release? |
| [04:11:45] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: yikes, I personally don't see the point of it |
| [04:11:47] | JohnQ: | Reduce clutter.. and I dont want it to delete older expired episodes from a different show. |
| [04:11:49] | sphery: | I know there was talk |
| [04:11:55] | iamlindoro: | sphery, don't think so |
| [04:12:23] | sphery: | JohnQ: set the priority of the rule to very low--will only cause a problem if you have conflicts |
| [04:12:34] | JohnQ: | what rule? |
| [04:12:39] | JohnQ: | I'm missing something. |
| [04:12:40] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: any VDPAU capable card should have good enought OpenGL |
| [04:12:44] | sphery: | then--assuming age-based expiration--it will expire faster |
| [04:12:47] | jheizer: | jya: deb http://www.avenard.org/files/ubuntu-repos jaunty release testing trunk |
| [04:12:49] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, correct |
| [04:12:51] | oobe: | what does probe do in channel editor during tv playback |
| [04:12:56] | sphery: | JohnQ: the rule that records the new episodes and deletes old |
| [04:13:18] | oobe: | im only asking cause im having reception troubles with one particular dvb-t channel |
| [04:13:29] | oobe: | and rescanning doesnt seem to work |
| [04:13:31] | jya: | jheizer: just checked, all jaunty packages depends on libraw1394–8 ... BTW, use trunk or testing, not both |
| [04:13:44] | JohnQ: | Hm |
| [04:13:52] | jya: | testing track fixes branch, trunk tracks... hum.. trunk |
| [04:14:17] | jheizer: | jya: yeha need to take testing out, I think I saw your blog post before you updated testing |
| [04:14:19] | JohnQ: | Im not sure I like that option either. I'll just keep deleting them manually. |
| [04:14:32] | jheizer: | then just saw the -users email |
| [04:14:44] | jya: | jheizer: I have put the 0.22 in testing yet |
| [04:14:47] | sphery: | JohnQ: i.e. disable "Expire in deleted order" and change "Auto Expire Method" to "Weighted Time/Priority Combination" and select an appropriate weight for "Priority Weight: The number of days bonus a program gets for each priority point. This is only used when the Weighted Time/Priority Auto Expire Method is selected." |
| [04:15:15] | JohnQ: | Right... but I dont want this to be a low-priority recording... because then it will not record. |
| [04:15:21] | jheizer: | yeah, saw that after browsing around |
| [04:15:33] | sphery: | JohnQ: ah, then you need more capture cards :) |
| [04:15:38] | jya: | jheizer: In the mean time, I strongly believe you have an incorrect entry in your sources.list, because no jaunty packages depend on libraw1394–11 |
| [04:16:00] | jya: | they all depends on libraw1394–8 |
| [04:16:08] | JohnQ: | Easier to just delete old recordings manually |
| [04:16:16] | JohnQ: | which sucks... but sucks the least. |
| [04:16:22] | sphery: | yeah, pretty much your only option |
| [04:16:33] | sphery: | to myth, Deleted means Deleted |
| [04:17:03] | JohnQ: | Ya. I just wish I could have it delete old episodes instead of not recording new ones. |
| [04:17:04] | sphery: | and there's not a lot of "post-recording" control over the order they're removed/expired other than manual deletion |
| [04:17:12] | sphery: | you can |
| [04:17:22] | JohnQ: | No... I can expire them. |
| [04:17:28] | sphery: | (where delete means throw in the Deleted recgroup) |
| [04:17:28] | JohnQ: | Which is not the same thing. |
| [04:17:47] | JohnQ: | I have no deleted recgroup as far as I know |
| [04:18:01] | sphery: | no, technically, expiration is removal from disk, Deletion is either a) moving to the Deleted recgroup or b) deleting from disk |
| [04:18:23] | JohnQ: | All of the shows I have are marked as expired... and they all exist. |
| [04:18:31] | sphery: | If you've enabled, "Auto Expire Instead of Delete Recording," (which is disabled by default), you have a Deleted recgroup |
| [04:18:40] | JohnQ: | I have not |
| [04:18:47] | JohnQ: | It is disabled. |
| [04:19:12] | sphery: | if you haven't enabled it, the it's already deleting old episodes when you set up the rule with Record new and expire old: |
| [04:19:34] | sphery: | meaning I think you're just not aware of the "Record new and expire old" setting on the recording rule |
| [04:19:37] | JohnQ: | Thats the problem.. it isnt. It's just making them as expired, which thay already are. |
| [04:20:00] | JohnQ: | Hm |
| [04:20:08] | sphery: | there's no such thing as "marking them as expired"--they can be marked as "expirable" |
| [04:20:13] | jheizer: | so weird, my 2 8.10 updates just finished ok |
| [04:20:22] | sphery: | they can be moved to the "Deleted" recording group and marked as expirable |
| [04:20:29] | jheizer: | obviously I am doing something stupid |
| [04:20:30] | sphery: | but once expired, they're gone from disk |
| [04:21:01] | JohnQ: | "Auto-expire recordings" does not delete them. |
| [04:21:04] | sphery: | JohnQ: is this trunk or 0.21-fixes |
| [04:21:16] | JohnQ: | It was trunk but I built it a while ago. |
| [04:21:24] | sphery: | "Auto-expire recordings" sets the recording to be "expirable" |
| [04:21:35] | JohnQ: | I see. |
| [04:21:37] | sphery: | meaning that if you run out of space on the disk, it /can/ choose to delete the show |
| [04:21:38] | Dagmar: | Stuff isn't deleted until the thing needs space. |
| [04:21:48] | JohnQ: | Hm |
| [04:21:59] | Dagmar: | This is the _correct_ thing tod o |
| [04:22:01] | jheizer: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1621418 |
| [04:22:17] | sphery: | if you set "No. of recordings to keep" to an appropriate value and "Record new and expire old" to true, then it will delete when it records new episodes after hitting the specified number |
| [04:22:29] | sphery: | JohnQ: ^^^ that's what you want |
| [04:22:34] | sphery: | but is likely not what you're doing |
| [04:22:34] | JohnQ: | Indeed it is. |
| [04:22:42] | JohnQ: | It is exactly what I am doing. |
| [04:22:49] | Dagmar: | It'll do it on it's own. |
| [04:22:55] | Dagmar: | Trust me I've been having it work right for the lsat year |
| [04:23:27] | Dagmar: | Until the disk starts getting full tho it won't delete anything because it doesn't need to and you _might_ decide you want to go back to that |
| [04:23:47] | JohnQ: | Right. thats the behavior I am seeing. |
| [04:23:53] | JohnQ: | Which is the behavior I do not want. |
| [04:24:03] | sphery: | JohnQ: what kind of recording rule? a custom rule? |
| [04:24:14] | Dagmar: | You *don't* want it to wait to delete things? |
| [04:24:15] | Dagmar: | Why? |
| [04:24:17] | JohnQ: | "Record this program in this timeslot every day." |
| [04:24:26] | sphery: | JohnQ: if custom http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6523 |
| [04:24:27] | JohnQ: | Dagmar: exactly. |
| [04:24:32] | Dagmar: | but *why* |
| [04:24:37] | Dagmar: | What does it matter? |
| [04:25:07] | wagnerrp: | ugh... tried to boot into my old image to figure out if my PVRs work there, and its not coming online |
| [04:25:08] | JohnQ: | Because there are older things that I do not want it to delete. |
| [04:25:11] | wagnerrp: | time for a trip to the basement |
| [04:25:36] | sphery: | JohnQ: but is it a manual recording rule or a custom recording rule or just a "normal" rule where you select a show in the guide and say to record it |
| [04:25:40] | JohnQ: | I have very old shows, which are set as expired (or expireable, or whatever). |
| [04:25:52] | JohnQ: | Normal rule. |
| [04:25:55] | JohnQ: | Not custom |
| [04:26:10] | sphery: | it should be working, then |
| [04:26:14] | Dagmar: | So if you don't want it to delete something, just take off the expirable flag. |
| [04:26:28] | Dagmar: | You can do that per recording |
| [04:26:31] | sphery: | JohnQ: what's the value for number of recordings (max episodes)? |
| [04:26:37] | JohnQ: | 5 |
| [04:26:53] | sphery: | and it records a 6th without deleting any? |
| [04:26:57] | JohnQ: | Yes |
| [04:27:12] | sphery: | did you create the rule with mythweb or mythfrontend? |
| [04:27:15] | JohnQ: | I deleted 28 today to get it back down to 5. |
| [04:27:19] | JohnQ: | Mythweb |
| [04:27:34] | sphery: | and it's the only rule you've ever created for that show? |
| [04:27:37] | JohnQ: | Yes |
| [04:27:51] | sphery: | did you add the max episodes after you originally created it? |
| [04:27:57] | sphery: | or was that part of the original rule? |
| [04:28:06] | JohnQ: | Original rule. |
| [04:28:36] | sphery: | any chance you'd be willing to delete that rule (set to "Do not record") then re-create it with mythfrontend and see if it works. |
| [04:29:12] | JohnQ: | I can try that later for sure... but someone is watching a show now, so I cant frob the frontend right this instant. |
| [04:29:21] | sphery: | the 5 remaining episodes won't count under the new rule (meaning you won't know if it works for 6 days), but if it doesn't work, then, it would mean a problem in myth, not mythweb |
| [04:29:21] | Dagmar: | Why not "cancel this schedule"? |
| [04:29:23] | sphery: | otherwise, it would be a mythweb rule |
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| [04:29:42] | sphery: | Dagmar: different words in mythweb (cancel) and mythfrontend (do not record) |
| [04:29:49] | Dagmar: | I've got Twilight Zone here perpetually keeping five episodes, expiring old and recording new |
| [04:29:50] | Dagmar: | Ahh |
| [04:29:50] | Dagmar: | Okay |
| [04:30:03] | sphery: | is yours trunk, Dagmar ? |
| [04:30:12] | Dagmar: | No, it's 0.21-fixes from about two weeks ago |
| [04:30:20] | Dagmar: | ...but it's literally never malfunctioned on single rules |
| [04:30:34] | Dagmar: | I figured out early on that it's tied to the rule and not the show name or somethign |
| [04:30:48] | JohnQ: | So... What I hear you saying is that "Record new and expire old" is supposed to actually delete old ones not just mark them as "to delete when I need space". Is that right? |
| [04:30:49] | sphery: | yeah, I don't remember any reports of issues on trunk, but I haven't heard any confirmation that it works on trunk, either |
| [04:30:50] | Dagmar: | ...which I think is a useful side effect |
| [04:31:09] | Dagmar: | It'll mark the oldest as expired when it records a new one |
| [04:31:19] | Dagmar: | If it needs the space to record the new one, it'll start deleting stuff |
| [04:31:27] | sphery: | JohnQ: it's supposed to delete them--if you enable "Auto Expire Instead of Delete Recording" that simply changes the recording group to "Deleted" and marks them as expirable |
| [04:31:37] | sphery: | if you don't enable that setting, it actually removes them from disk |
| [04:31:43] | JohnQ: | See... you two are disagreeing on this point. |
| [04:31:48] | Dagmar: | I have auto-expire recordings set |
| [04:31:53] | JohnQ: | And I am not sure which to trust. |
| [04:32:12] | sphery: | he's mentioning only the first case--with "Auto Expire Instead of Delete Recording" set |
| [04:32:17] | sphery: | so we're saying the same |
| [04:32:30] | JohnQ: | Dagmar: do you have that option set? |
| [04:32:38] | sphery: | 10.15 00:31:48 < Dagmar> I have auto-expire recordings set |
| [04:32:44] | sphery: | so, yeah |
| [04:32:49] | JohnQ: | thats not the same thing.. |
| [04:33:00] | JohnQ: | I have "Auto expire recordings" set too. |
| [04:33:22] | sphery: | he meant "Auto Expire Instead of Delete Recording" |
| [04:33:22] | JohnQ: | Which is a per-rule setting.. |
| [04:33:36] | sphery: | you mean "Auto expire recordings", which simply makes all recordings from that rule expirable |
| [04:33:49] | sphery: | but doesn't delete anything |
| [04:33:59] | sphery: | right |
| [04:34:10] | JohnQ: | Dagmar: You agree with all this? |
| [04:34:14] | Dagmar: | Between the two things being on in MythWeb I generally have five episodes of Twilight Zone |
| [04:34:18] | Dagmar: | yes. |
| [04:34:24] | sphery: | but "Auto Expire Instead of Delete Recording" is a global setting |
| [04:34:30] | JohnQ: | Then mine is malfunctioning. |
| [04:34:32] | sphery: | that you specify in mythfrontend settings |
| [04:34:35] | jheizer: | jya: found it, had a .../sources.list.d/aveard.list with Karmic some how |
| [04:34:42] | jheizer: | jya: thanks for the help |
| [04:34:46] | jya: | yeah, had to be |
| [04:34:57] | JohnQ: | Maybe I should build a new version from trunk again. |
| [04:35:09] | sphery: | JohnQ: what rev do you have? |
| [04:35:28] | Dagmar: | You can also (if you feel like reading spew) stop the backend and then start it with some heavy debugging options |
| [04:35:35] | jheizer: | jya: usually just keep everything in the main list, must have pasted it in there log ago or something |
| [04:35:36] | JohnQ: | Not sure, to be honest. It was a while ago when I built it. |
| [04:35:39] | Dagmar: | It'll chatter rather a lot as it takes stock of things IIRC |
| [04:35:39] | jheizer: | who knows |
| [04:35:52] | sphery: | JohnQ: mythbackend --version (then report the SVN branch and revision) |
| [04:36:18] | sphery: | JohnQ: though the /best/ thing you could do is: |
| [04:36:19] | sphery: | 10.15 00:28:36 <+sphery> any chance you'd be willing to delete that rule (set to "Do not record") then re-create it with mythfrontend and see if it works. |
| [04:36:22] | sphery: | 10.15 00:29:14 <+sphery> the 5 remaining episodes won't count under the new rule (meaning you won't know if it works for 6 days), but if it doesn't work, then, it would mean a problem in myth, not mythweb |
| [04:36:28] | JohnQ: | 20708 |
| [04:36:54] | JohnQ: | Ya. I'll try that after the frontend isnt being used. |
| [04:37:02] | Dagmar: | Or jus tpick something that's common as hell |
| [04:37:15] | sphery: | yeah, that works for testing it, too |
| [04:37:38] | Dagmar: | Like say, "Weather Center" on The Weather Channel. |
| [04:37:43] | sphery: | heh |
| [04:37:44] | JohnQ: | heh |
| [04:37:53] | sphery: | yeah, and a max episodes of 2 or 3 |
| [04:38:06] | Dagmar: | You can set that rule to record three episodes, expire old and record new, and ignore substitles and dupes and let it roll |
| [04:38:43] | Dagmar: | They're really flogging the heck out of Weather Center on that channel. |
| [04:38:47] | Dagmar: | People are going to get sick of it. |
| [04:39:24] | JohnQ: | I'll try it |
| [04:39:49] | sphery: | definitely try a mythfrontend-created rule, too |
| [04:39:59] | sphery: | there might be a bug in mythweb only |
| [04:40:09] | sphery: | so we need to know which place needs debugging |
| [04:40:11] | JohnQ: | Will do |
| [04:40:33] | JohnQ: | It sounds like it is supposed to work the way I want.. but isnt.. which is good to know |
| [04:41:15] | sphery: | yeah, it should |
| [04:41:30] | sphery: | but there are many different things that can cause it to appear not to work |
| [04:41:39] | Dagmar: | ...like having a lot of free disk space |
| [04:42:07] | sphery: | though 28 recordings shouldn't happen (unless 23 of them were in the Deleted recgroup and you had "Auto Expire Instead of Delete Recording" enabled |
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| [04:43:03] | resno: | i see you guys took the plung and placed the release date! |
| [04:43:06] | JohnQ: | I have a LOAD of free space. |
| [04:43:26] | resno: | oh, it released yesterday... |
| [04:43:33] | JohnQ: | So.... every recording I have is marked as "expireable"... is there an easy way to clear that flag en-masse? |
| [04:43:41] | sphery: | no release--just a release candidate |
| [04:43:45] | Dagmar: | ugh. Not that I'm aware of |
| [04:44:00] | sphery: | resno: http://www.mythtv.org/ (top announcement) |
| [04:44:22] | JohnQ: | I'm tempted to go play with the mysql tables. It's probably just one well-placed update command. |
| [04:44:27] | resno: | sphery: ah, i got excited. and totally over looked the RC1 |
| [04:45:29] | sphery: | heh, small but important suffix :) |
| [04:46:03] | resno: | yea... i guess so. |
| [04:46:38] | resno: | i was searching about the web and came across another crazy idea. appletv for a frontend.. |
| [04:47:06] | Dagmar: | So you intend to inflict questions about it on other people now, I take it? |
| [04:47:07] | JohnQ: | te recorded set autoexpire = 0 where autoexpire = 1; Query OK, 108 rows affected Bango. |
| [04:47:13] | resno: | thoughts? |
| [04:47:19] | JohnQ: | thats "update" not "te" :-) |
| [04:47:22] | Dagmar: | JohnQ: Shh! You'll give the people who don't know SQL "ideas" |
| [04:47:23] | wagnerrp: | ugh... 443 packages to update |
| [04:47:28] | JohnQ: | Sorry |
| [04:47:32] | wagnerrp: | this is going to be running for a while |
| [04:47:35] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [04:47:49] | JohnQ: | I meant to say... uh ... "Pleas mr myth, do that thing I want puh-leeeeze!" |
| [04:48:07] | Dagmar: | resno: With specific hardware Google should have plenty of people documenting what it can and can't do, man. |
| [04:48:09] | Dagmar: | I'm serious. |
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| [04:48:54] | JohnQ: | I wonder what it means for autoexpire = 10000 in that table. |
| [04:49:12] | JohnQ: | probably a live recording or something. |
| [04:49:32] | resno: | Dagmar: ok, so let me set this straight. I did check Google and according to everyone's posts it works fine, aside from the hacky install. Aside from that, I wanted to get the opinions of people in the know before embarking on what could be a waste of time and money. |
| [04:49:56] | resno: | Plus, I dont intend to run hd video. |
| [04:50:40] | resno: | who died and made you king of the jungle? |
| [04:50:56] | resno: | I swear. |
| [04:52:45] | wagnerrp: | resno: i thought you had a digital tuner and an hdpvr |
| [04:53:18] | resno: | wagnerrp: nope. not yet. |
| [04:53:37] | resno: | wagnerrp: getting a list of components and then buying them. |
| [04:54:08] | wagnerrp: | well talk to iamlindoro about appletv use as a frontend |
| [04:54:15] | wagnerrp: | he claimed the experience 'painful at best' |
| [04:54:28] | kormoc: | now the mac mini on the other hand... :) |
| [04:54:48] | Dagmar: | resno: Who made you Queen of Drama |
| [04:54:50] | Dagmar: | Get over it |
| [04:54:51] | wagnerrp: | plenty of power for sd mpeg2, marginally enough power for hd mpeg2 |
| [04:55:00] | wagnerrp: | but it couldnt manage the UI |
| [04:55:08] | Dagmar: | Stick around a month or two and you'll be telling people "just google it already" as well |
| [04:55:38] | Dagmar: | ...and you did _nothing_ to distinguish your query from all the other "I'm too lazy to websearch" until you were pressed about it. |
| [04:55:56] | Dagmar: | ...or even narrow down what you were looking for. |
| [04:56:09] | Dagmar: | You solicited ideas. I said "ask Google" |
| [04:56:15] | Dagmar: | It's an idea. Seriously. |
| [04:57:12] | resno: | Dagmar: google told me its a possibility, and someone out in space has done. i come here to find out about usabilitiy and feasabilitiy. |
| [04:57:15] | Dagmar: | Personally, I like the interface on them |
| [04:57:38] | resno: | wagnerrp: i saw a youtube vid and it looked like they were using a lesser ui, not sure of the name of it |
| [04:57:58] | wagnerrp: | resno: this was back on 0.21 |
| [04:58:04] | wagnerrp: | so obviously using a lesser ui |
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| [05:00:03] | resno: | as it seems, the best solution is just to make a mini-atx board. and not worry about appletv or mac mini. when comparing price and features |
| [05:00:08] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [05:00:20] | Dagmar: | A very small amount of extra dollars can easily get one a lot more |
| [05:00:26] | wagnerrp: | micro-atx, mini-itx |
| [05:00:35] | resno: | i just love the form factor though... :( |
| [05:01:01] | Dagmar: | You can still use it as an AppleTV box |
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| [05:02:35] | Dagmar: | I think it would probably be easier to dig up a hack to let the AppleTV access your Myth recordings exported over Samba |
| [05:02:56] | wagnerrp: | the appletv doesnt have a upnp client? |
| [05:03:12] | resno: | do macs use samba or some mactastic system? |
| [05:03:23] | Dagmar: | It might |
| [05:03:46] | Dagmar: | I know there's a thing called AwkwardTV that unlocks a lot of hacks tho |
| [05:03:53] | kormoc: | You have to import the recordings into itunes on another osx box and share it via itunes sharing |
| [05:04:05] | kormoc: | (if you're using front row to view it) |
| [05:05:12] | Dagmar: | Hmm... This seems to have some more stuff than when I last looked into it http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30103/82/ |
| [05:05:22] | Dagmar: | That's from 2007, too. There's bound to be more stuff happened since then |
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| [05:08:23] | resno: | why does apple products have to be so sexy but way over priced? |
| [05:08:32] | Dagmar: | Because you're paying for design |
| [05:08:44] | Dagmar: | They're very pretty and very customized. |
| [05:09:08] | Dagmar: | ...and Steve Jobs doesn't patronize just _any_ old hooker. |
| [05:09:17] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:09:22] | Dagmar: | He gots ta have dem _quality_ hoes |
| [05:09:29] | resno: | LMAO |
| [05:10:03] | Dagmar: | Plus they seem to put way more effort into making things work than anyone in the wintel world |
| [05:10:23] | resno: | thats gotta be part of it. |
| [05:10:39] | resno: | everything just seems well thought out and works automagically |
| [05:10:43] | Dagmar: | Blizzard's about the only company I've seen go that extra forty milies |
| [05:11:33] | wagnerrp: | of course when you have your own mint, why not |
| [05:12:24] | resno: | its amazing before the ipod they were on the brink of disater |
| [05:12:36] | resno: | and one product turned their world around |
| [05:13:04] | resno: | these mini itx boards are crazy small. i never really looked at them before. |
| [05:13:31] | jst_home: | mini-itx is the way to go IMO |
| [05:13:48] | wagnerrp: | for quite the premium |
| [05:14:08] | jst_home: | $159 or so doesn't seem like quite the premium to me |
| [05:14:19] | wagnerrp: | zotac is basically the only company making worthwile mini-itx boards |
| [05:14:19] | jst_home: | power supply included |
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| [05:14:31] | jst_home: | true |
| [05:14:44] | resno: | is jetway good? |
| [05:14:53] | jst_home: | no idea |
| [05:15:22] | resno: | on newegg, there is only zotac and jetway. 99-> 10 mail in rebate |
| [05:15:30] | Dagmar: | Not only "no", but "f**k no" |
| [05:15:42] | Dagmar: | Have nothign to do with Jetway, PC Chips, or ECS in this space |
| [05:15:50] | Dagmar: | They _are_ the bottom tier manufacturers |
| [05:16:31] | Dagmar: | I have never seen a PCChips board that wasn't very readily showing instability. |
| [05:16:46] | Dagmar: | If they're sitting there doing nothing but say, Notepad, they're fine. |
| [05:16:52] | Dagmar: | Put 'em under load and you get 2–3 reboots a day |
| [05:16:59] | Dagmar: | This is fine for some people, I'm sure. |
| [05:17:02] | resno: | well, then the only choice is clear. ZOTAC GF8200-C-E AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 Mini ITX AMD |
| [05:17:15] | Dagmar: | For me, it means the motherboard gets dragged behind the car down a churt road. |
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| [05:17:56] | Dagmar: | Not a bad choice actually |
| [05:18:10] | resno: | are intel boards decent? or not in the linux world |
| [05:18:22] | Dagmar: | They're quite decent boards. |
| [05:18:24] | wagnerrp: | intel are decent |
| [05:18:29] | jst_home: | resno: no |
| [05:18:34] | Dagmar: | THey can't eff around with their name silkscreened onto them |
| [05:18:37] | jst_home: | no vdpau |
| [05:18:53] | Dagmar: | Yeah but it's got a PCIe slot, right? |
| [05:19:08] | wagnerrp: | jst_home: so you just get a bigger processor |
| [05:19:36] | wagnerrp: | the only thing you want vdpau for is either full bitrate hdpvr, or hddvd/bluray |
| [05:19:38] | Dagmar: | Are we sure that 8200 won't do VDPAU? |
| [05:19:49] | wagnerrp: | 8200 does vdpau just fine |
| [05:19:54] | wagnerrp: | the intel board wont do vdpau |
| [05:20:00] | Dagmar: | The board should be able to take a chip that can chew up anything it won't do |
| [05:20:03] | Dagmar: | OOO |
| [05:20:14] | Dagmar: | resno: If what some folks have been saying in here, you might wanna hold off buying until the 22nd |
| [05:20:23] | Dagmar: | New chips will be dropping with the release of Windows 7. |
| [05:20:34] | Dagmar: | Prices will probably change quite a bit in those first 2–3 days |
| [05:20:35] | wagnerrp: | amd is going to release some 45W chips on that date |
| [05:20:44] | wagnerrp: | and apparently some low power quad cores as well |
| [05:20:56] | resno: | thanks for the advice. ill just keep my eyes out for good buys on other things |
| [05:21:08] | Dagmar: | Companies will be trying to flush their old stock, and they'll be interested in getting that rush of new sales on the new chips so they'll be less liekly to stick you so much with early adopter premiums |
| [05:21:32] | jst_home: | wagnerrp: you don't want a bigger cpu if you want a fanless fe |
| [05:21:49] | Dagmar: | A fanless frontend is pushing it |
| [05:21:50] | resno: | i need a good hd. 30 gb wont do much of anything |
| [05:21:50] | wagnerrp: | jst_home: youre not going to run a fanless fe |
| [05:21:59] | wagnerrp: | its just not going to happen with any reasonable case |
| [05:22:14] | jst_home: | wagnerrp: I've been running one for a couple of months here |
| [05:22:31] | wagnerrp: | and youre probably baking your parts at 70+C |
| [05:22:34] | jst_home: | a Zotac IONITX single core Atom system |
| [05:22:49] | wagnerrp: | its not the 2W atom your concerned about |
| [05:22:53] | Dagmar: | Well, we'll requalify then |
| [05:23:03] | wagnerrp: | its the 35W nvidia chip connected to the same heat spreader |
| [05:23:07] | Dagmar: | No one's likely running a fanless frontend that wasn't designed by a hardware manufacturer to be run that way |
| [05:23:44] | Dagmar: | It will lead to unpleasant, suboptimal design considerations |
| [05:24:00] | jst_home: | wagnerrp: the whole system uses ~25W watching 1080 content per reports I've read, and it really is not running very hot at all |
| [05:24:07] | Dagmar: | Clone PC stuff is meant to be run with active cooling |
| [05:24:11] | wagnerrp: | the nvidia chip was designed to run happily at over 100C, the rest of the hardware not so much |
| [05:24:19] | jst_home: | I have yet to stick my amp meter on it tho |
| [05:25:33] | wagnerrp: | ah, no... it was a 45W quad core theyll be releasing |
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| [05:27:00] | gizmobay: | Does anyone know how I can specify the mythfrontend working directory? |
| [05:27:26] | wagnerrp: | 'export HOME=<your new working directory>' |
| [05:29:07] | justinh: | muh? "MythTV 0.22 has a built-in video player! That means a more streamlined experience". WTF planet do some people live on? |
| [05:29:15] | wagnerrp: | where is this? |
| [05:29:29] | justinh: | http://twitter.com/telseth/ :P |
| [05:29:56] | justinh: | I blame packagers setting the default to mplayer |
| [05:29:57] | wagnerrp: | they live on... a world where people actually care about their idle ramblings? |
| [05:30:42] | kormoc: | justinh: sadly, we were shipping the default as mplayer for a long, long time |
| [05:30:42] | justinh: | well, there's certainly nowhere near the inanity of mythtv-users yet :) |
| [05:30:57] | sphery: | Hey, guys. I heard MythTV 0.22 has a built in TV recording capability. Any truth to the rumor? |
| [05:31:01] | justinh: | yeah? How easy it is to forget. Heh |
| [05:31:02] | wagnerrp: | wasnt mplayer still the default in 0.21? |
| [05:31:07] | kormoc: | yup |
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| [05:31:15] | kormoc: | iamlindoro made the change a few weeks ago iirc |
| [05:31:21] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [05:31:44] | justinh: | I haven't even used mplayer in oooo... least a year |
| [05:32:07] | iamlindoro: | You know what this means |
| [05:32:15] | iamlindoro: | it means I get to take 100% responsibility for the internal player |
| [05:32:16] | kormoc: | Here's hoping all external players are removed in 0.23 |
| [05:32:17] | justinh: | and since increasing my dvd drive's read speed – no more dvd playback issues AFAICT |
| [05:32:19] | iamlindoro: | I wrote it for .22 you know |
| [05:32:27] | wagnerrp: | youre amazing |
| [05:32:31] | kormoc: | you are epic awesome there Mr. Lindoro |
| [05:32:33] | wagnerrp: | where do you find the time |
| [05:32:36] | justinh: | iamlindoro: nah only the mythvideo one |
| [05:32:41] | justinh: | says so here |
| [05:32:47] | iamlindoro: | justinh, even I have my limits ;) |
| [05:33:17] | wagnerrp: | now if only kormoc could get off his but and finish mythweb.py |
| [05:33:22] | gizmobay: | thanks wagnerrp. I'll give it a go |
| [05:33:32] | justinh: | I didn't quite believe my eyes when I saw the 'RC' bit on twitter, til I checked the real site |
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| [05:33:42] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: I thought I did with import mythweb? |
| [05:34:27] | wagnerrp: | speaking of which... i said i would do something about that thetvdb issue |
| [05:34:34] | justinh: | kormoc: you forgot to include coolstuff-2.3 |
| [05:34:40] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [05:35:16] | justinh: | wagnerrp: you're gonna host it now? COOL! |
| [05:35:17] | JohnQ: | thanks for the help. I'll let you know if it does not behave. cyas. |
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| [05:35:41] | wagnerrp: | whats a reasonable limit for number of words in a name? |
| [05:35:51] | wagnerrp: | four? |
| [05:35:57] | justinh: | nah |
| [05:36:05] | justinh: | seen films with way more than that |
| [05:36:23] | sphery: | Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs |
| [05:36:30] | justinh: | oh you mean like actors names |
| [05:36:31] | wagnerrp: | i mean actor name |
| [05:36:32] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [05:37:02] | wagnerrp: | i mean thats three words, plus a jr/sr/whatever |
| [05:37:27] | justinh: | 4 would be reasonabubble |
| [05:37:43] | wagnerrp: | im perfectly content blocking anyone with excessively wordy names from being entered into videocast |
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| [05:38:05] | wagnerrp: | bitch needs to get a name change |
| [05:38:16] | iamlindoro: | HAHAHA |
| [05:38:17] | iamlindoro: | MythTV 0.22 Release Candidate Available |
| [05:38:17] | iamlindoro: | October 14 – Finally... |
| [05:38:22] | iamlindoro: | (phoronix) |
| [05:38:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Ramon Felipe San Juan Mario Silvio Enrico Smith Heathcourt-Brace Sierra y Alvares y de los Uerdes |
| [05:38:43] | sphery: | don't know how many that counts as, what with the hyphenated one |
| [05:38:44] | iamlindoro: | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzYxMw |
| [05:38:50] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: what about... what sphery said |
| [05:38:56] | iamlindoro: | At least they got that MythUI = new UI, and the program is built on Qt |
| [05:39:08] | wagnerrp: | <wagnerrp> bitch needs to get a name change |
| [05:39:19] | sphery: | though, really, I think that guy is an author, not an actor |
| [05:39:34] | kormoc: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester_del_Rey#Birth_name |
| [05:39:35] | sphery: | and most people call him Enrico Smith |
| [05:39:54] | wagnerrp: | ive got a nice white coat for him |
| [05:39:55] | resno: | sphery: wow, thats a really name.. it thought it was a joke |
| [05:40:07] | sphery: | his name was really Leonard Knapp |
| [05:40:11] | sphery: | wow... how boring |
| [05:40:33] | sphery: | it was a real claim, anyway |
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| [05:42:12] | gnarface: | hey can anyone recommend a good front-end for oggenc/lame/cdparanoia for cd ripping+archiving? preferrably something that is a suitable drop-in replacement for grip (i know that's not a mythtv question but you people know stuff and #debian is usless right now) |
| [05:42:14] | kormoc: | Adolph Blaine Charles David Earl Frederick Gerald Hubert Irvim John Kenneth Loyd Martin Nero Oliver Paul Quincy Randolph Sherman Thomas Uncas Victor Willian Xerxes Yancy |
| [05:42:14] | kormoc: | Zeus Wolfeschlegelsteinhausenbergerdorffvoralternwarengewissenhaf |
| [05:42:14] | kormoc: | tschaferswesenchafewarenwholgepflegeundsorgfaltigkeitbeschut |
| [05:42:14] | kormoc: | zenvonangereifenduchihrraubgiriigfeindewelchevorralternzwolf |
| [05:42:14] | kormoc: | tausendjahresvorandieerscheinenbanderersteerdeemmeshedrraums |
| [05:42:16] | kormoc: | chiffgebrauchlichtalsseinursprungvonkraftgestartseinlangefah |
| [05:42:18] | kormoc: | rthinzwischensternartigraumaufdersuchenachdiesternwelshegeha |
| [05:42:20] | kormoc: | btbewohnbarplanetenkreisedrehensichundwohinderneurassevanver |
| [05:42:22] | kormoc: | standigmenshlichkeittkonntevortpflanzenundsicherfreunanleben |
| [05:42:24] | kormoc: | slamdlichfreudeundruhemitnichteinfurchtvorangreifenvonandere |
| [05:42:26] | kormoc: | rintlligentgeschopfsvonhinzwischensternartigraum Senior |
| [05:42:31] | kormoc: | oh jesus, that didn't even go on a single line |
| [05:42:35] | resno: | kormoc: flooding much? |
| [05:42:36] | iamlindoro: | If I UUDecode this, is it a naked lady? |
| [05:42:51] | sphery: | kormoc: pasting your password in here, again? |
| [05:42:56] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [05:42:56] | wagnerrp: | its a very low quality Kaylee |
| [05:43:03] | kormoc: | if only my password was that strong |
| [05:43:16] | kormoc: | Evidently some german immigrant was given that name |
| [05:43:24] | sphery: | gnarface: there's always MythMusic! |
| [05:43:25] | wagnerrp: | oh come on... look at all the dictionary words it has |
| [05:43:31] | wagnerrp: | that would get cracked in no time |
| [05:43:51] | kormoc: | http://everything2.com/?node_id=1534419 |
| [05:44:09] | ** kormoc wonders if that's real ** | |
| [05:44:19] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, and no digits/special chars... someone should have a security talk with kormoc |
| [05:44:29] | ** kormoc hangs his head in shame ** | |
| [05:44:38] | wagnerrp: | you could have at least thrown in an umlaut |
| [05:44:48] | wagnerrp: | he is german after all |
| [05:44:48] | iamlindoro: | It's like a Dr. Bonner's soap bottle |
| [05:44:49] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and what's worse is that it's his LANMAN password |
| [05:45:25] | sphery: | I'm wondering if noone else understood that joke or if it's really just not funny |
| [05:45:35] | wagnerrp: | man, kindergarden must have been hell for that kid |
| [05:45:37] | sphery: | that joke = lanman |
| [05:45:46] | wagnerrp: | having to learn to spell his name |
| [05:46:15] | oobe: | http://theblemish.com/images/2009/10/marge-playboy.jpg |
| [05:46:16] | wagnerrp: | lanman? isnt that part of the *other* operating system? |
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| [05:54:57] | resno: | i feel weird having priced a fe for 236 |
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| [05:56:41] | wagnerrp: | resno: i did one for 160 early this year |
| [05:56:58] | wagnerrp: | (case and psu not included) |
| [05:57:09] | wagnerrp: | computer hardware has just gotten that cheap |
| [05:57:12] | resno: | wagnerrp: ah, i was wondering you cut the price |
| [05:57:35] | resno: | and this is all mini itx :) |
| [05:57:46] | resno: | processor is prob not all that great... |
| [05:57:56] | resno: | AMD Athlon 64 LE-1640 Lima 2.7GHz Socket AM2 45W Single-Core Processor |
| [05:58:08] | wagnerrp: | nah, id wait a week |
| [05:58:21] | wagnerrp: | wait for the 45W dual and quads to come on the market |
| [05:58:55] | resno: | ive waited this long i can wait abit longer |
| [05:59:18] | resno: | just getting a price together in my head |
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| [06:14:15] | jfry_: | I just installed 0.22 for the first time, and learned something I was a bit bummed about... I still must mount an nfs share to play .iso and .img files. Can anyone tell me if I were to extract them to Video_TS folders, would they stream with myth:// |
| [06:14:47] | kormoc: | jfry_: did you try setting up storage groups? |
| [06:14:50] | sphery: | pretty sure VIDEO_TS is a no |
| [06:15:02] | ** kormoc wonders if the storage grousp streaming is in or not? ** | |
| [06:15:07] | sphery: | but transcoded into a single non-DVD file, is a yes |
| [06:15:16] | sphery: | jfry_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide |
| [06:15:22] | ** kormoc is not in the best state given the alcoholic content of his blood ** | |
| [06:15:28] | sphery: | # ISO/VIDEO_TS Playback does not presently work in Storage Groups (Fix planned for .23) |
| [06:15:46] | sphery: | kormoc: bacon and vodka? |
| [06:16:05] | kormoc: | Lemonade and ginger vodka tonight actually |
| [06:16:26] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [06:16:40] | sphery: | I just ate a Lemonade Edie's Fruit Bar (popsicle) |
| [06:16:46] | sphery: | no alcohol, though... |
| [06:16:57] | jfry_: | kormoc, that's the problem, with storage groups I can't play .iso |
| [06:17:22] | kormoc: | so then you're out of luck |
| [06:17:33] | sphery: | jfry_: # ISO/VIDEO_TS Playback does not presently work in Storage Groups (Fix planned for .23) |
| [06:17:37] | sphery: | in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide |
| [06:17:52] | sphery: | so you must transcode to stream |
| [06:17:58] | jfry_: | sphery, any recommendation on getting a bunch of iso's into a more managable form |
| [06:18:11] | kormoc: | just mount it via nfs |
| [06:18:15] | sphery: | yeah |
| [06:19:11] | jfry_: | kormoc, that's what I have done up till now... but I was really looking forward to the simple management that using the myth protocol would give me. |
| [06:20:39] | iamlindoro: | or remux into another container |
| [06:21:06] | iamlindoro: | lose the menus, but get the movie itself and streaming |
| [06:21:11] | jfry_: | oh... one last thing... I have several folders within my videos folder... if I export the video's folder via NFS I will need to add it to the front end, which will give me duplicates of everything right? |
| [06:21:56] | kormoc: | if it's the same path on the disk, I don't think it would, but iamlindoro is the one who knows |
| [06:21:58] | jfry_: | iamlindoro, so just remux to an mkv or something... good thinking, that would be fast, and I have stripped most of the menus already |
| [06:22:28] | iamlindoro: | yep, MKV would do |
| [06:22:47] | justinh: | people willingly make mkv files? heh |
| [06:23:05] | wagnerrp: | would you prefer avi? |
| [06:23:20] | justinh: | never |
| [06:23:41] | kormoc: | I like a directory full of bitmaps |
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| [06:24:10] | jfry_: | ever seen a script to batch remux dvd's? |
| [06:24:15] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you might even fit four whole movies! |
| [06:24:18] | jfry_: | er dvd isos |
| [06:24:48] | kormoc: | for file in *.iso; do stuff; done? |
| [06:25:03] | wagnerrp: | can vobs be catted together? will they function when that large? |
| [06:25:08] | justinh: | handbrake is all I use for dvd lipping these days. straight to .mp4 :) |
| [06:25:39] | justinh: | wagnerrp: in theory yes. I've tried it though & the resultant file didn't play properly |
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| [06:26:13] | wagnerrp: | just wondering if the format even supported that, considering the file system can only manage 2GB files |
| [06:26:36] | wagnerrp: | i figured there might be a 4GB limit or something |
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| [06:29:58] | justinh: | grrr. when are people going to ****ing realise that mythtv does not 'support' video cards directly? "How is ATI support in mythtv?" |
| [06:34:25] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i put the patch up at 7327, although id prefer RDV see it before you do anything |
| [06:35:29] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, ^^ |
| [06:36:08] | wagnerrp: | already PM'd him about it |
| [06:36:24] | iamlindoro: | ok |
| [06:36:53] | wagnerrp: | i never realized how absolutely massive JAMU was |
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| [06:37:23] | iamlindoro: | yup |
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| [06:38:11] | justinh: | "I know the TV itself is running some variation of linux because of the GPL notices in the user manual.". you know where that's heading :-\ |
| [06:38:17] | jfry_: | and ungodly slow... I'm running it now |
| [06:38:38] | jfry_: | is there a way to have it keep running and save the interactive stuff for the very end? |
| [06:38:44] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [06:38:48] | iamlindoro: | and it's not slow |
| [06:39:08] | jfry_: | ok... it's not slow for what it's doing... but it takes a long time |
| [06:39:17] | jfry_: | and you need to baby sit it in interactive mode |
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| [06:39:59] | iamlindoro: | guess we forgot to import the python mind read module |
| [06:40:04] | jfry_: | lol |
| [06:41:29] | jfry_: | I just wish it could run multiple threads and keep going if I walk away and don't respond to an interactive request. |
| [06:41:44] | wagnerrp: | what program would that be? |
| [06:42:22] | jfry_: | jamu |
| [06:43:10] | wagnerrp: | i fail to see how threading it would do anything advantageous over just making a list of items that 'failed', to be run once again at the end |
| [06:43:23] | iamlindoro: | The interactive stuff is how it *does* the non interactive stuff-- it can't download for you until it knows what the TMDB/TVDB # is, and if it just guessed for you, we'd be dealing with users bitching because it was inaccurate... can't win |
| [06:43:27] | jfry_: | either option would work |
| [06:43:30] | wagnerrp: | could probably be whipped up in half an hour |
| [06:44:22] | justinh: | another hopeful 'frontend on an egg box' thread shot down in flames yay! |
| [06:44:47] | wagnerrp: | actually, i could probably do it in 30–40 minutes, rdv could probably do it in 10 |
| [06:44:50] | justinh: | oo look, my digital watch has a GPL notice in the user manual.. I wonder... |
| [06:45:33] | jfry_: | can it run mythtv? |
| [06:45:49] | wagnerrp: | its GPLd isnt it? |
| [06:45:54] | justinh: | and since when does a GPL notice mean that linux is even involved? Just means it uses stuff licenced under the GPL |
| [06:45:56] | wagnerrp: | thats all that matters |
| [06:46:05] | jfry_: | I was being sarcastiv |
| [06:46:12] | jfry_: | er sarcatic |
| [06:46:35] | wagnerrp: | what ever happened to the Casio port? |
| [06:46:51] | wagnerrp: | gbee still working on that? |
| [06:47:28] | jfry_: | you would need to "over clock" it... ;-) |
| [06:48:02] | wagnerrp: | well that would require opening it up and soldering some new hardware around the timing crystal |
| [06:48:05] | wagnerrp: | thats just too much work |
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| [06:49:00] | justinh: | you'd have to modify the strap too – o/c'ing the watch means it needs a heatsink |
| [06:49:31] | jfry_: | that's what your wrist is for ;-) |
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| [06:49:59] | justinh: | or you could use a flexi-heatpipe leading to a trolley with a built-in heat exchanger. Put some beers in it & take it everywhere you go! |
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| [06:51:04] | justinh: | course there's not much storage on the watch itself meaning you have to have your media server nearby. the wireless only has a range of a meter or so |
| [06:52:01] | jfry_: | mythweb isn't showing any of my coverart... what did I do wrong this time? |
| [06:52:17] | kormoc: | mythweb doesn't support streaming of coverart |
| [06:52:20] | wagnerrp: | used storage groups |
| [06:52:48] | jfry_: | argh... it's become a love / hate thing with storage groups. |
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| [06:53:34] | jfry_: | where do I need to set the actual path to the cover art for mythweb |
| [06:53:46] | wagnerrp: | same place you set it in the frontend |
| [06:53:57] | iamlindoro: | It's not enough to set a path, your videos need to not be in SGs |
| [06:53:58] | wagnerrp: | just run the frontend software and set it up as you would normally |
| [06:54:39] | iamlindoro: | And there's nothing wrong with Storage Groups-- It's been repeated time and again that it was a technology preview and that the implementation was not complete |
| [06:54:58] | justinh: | damn you & your incomplete wibblings :D |
| [06:55:11] | jfry_: | lol |
| [06:55:12] | justinh: | if it's not finished don't release it. Ever! |
| [06:55:50] | justinh: | oops, I guess that means not much would ever get released in the OSS world ;-) |
| [06:56:11] | iamlindoro: | It's freakin' irritating |
| [06:56:17] | jfry_: | ok... I set it, and still no coverart it actually says "missing cover" for each of them... perhaps it's because they database is referencing the storage group rather than the physical path. |
| [06:56:18] | wagnerrp: | look at all these unfinished google programs weve been using for years |
| [06:56:33] | iamlindoro: | Two months of commit access to bring a a set of features that are a total parallel to what was built in 22 releases |
| [06:56:43] | iamlindoro: | "<iamlindoro> It's not enough to set a path, your videos need to not be in SGs" |
| [06:56:59] | jfry_: | oops... didn't see that. |
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| [06:57:10] | justinh: | not reading leads to not seeing :) |
| [06:57:25] | jfry_: | now that I am almost done getting them all into SG... how do I change them all in masse. |
| [06:57:33] | iamlindoro: | start over |
| [06:57:50] | jfry_: | dough... I'll do a find/replace in the db before I do that! |
| [06:58:07] | wagnerrp: | do you know enough sql to do a find/replace on your own? |
| [06:58:18] | justinh: | HAHAHA. HVR1800 guy started a thread on mythtvtalk.com |
| [06:58:24] | justinh: | I'm gonna enjoy this |
| [06:58:32] | iamlindoro: | and more importantly, do you know mythvideo DB layout well enough to know where an SG setup and a local setup differ |
| [06:58:34] | jfry_: | I could figure it out... but I think I can do it with phpmyadmin pretty easy |
| [06:58:49] | wagnerrp: | this the one in here earlier complaining about garbled video on his 1800? |
| [06:58:53] | jfry_: | I would imagine it's just the path in the metadata for each video that needs to change |
| [06:58:55] | wagnerrp: | garbled analog |
| [06:59:02] | iamlindoro: | jfry_, you would be mistaken |
| [06:59:23] | iamlindoro: | *please* don't try to manuall change your DB records from SG to local, as that will end in brokenness |
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| [07:00:21] | jfry_: | iamlindoro, your right... I was wrong |
| [07:00:41] | kormoc: | Imagine that, a developer was right! |
| [07:00:44] | jfry_: | lol |
| [07:00:50] | iamlindoro: | A developer who wrote that part ;) |
| [07:00:51] | justinh: | what's the world coming to? |
| [07:01:09] | kormoc: | I know I forget everything I write as soon as I commit it |
| [07:01:11] | iamlindoro: | (well, part of it, anyway) |
| [07:01:55] | justinh: | Haha Leona Lewis was thumped at a signing session for 'her' book yesterday. Sadly, according to one of her fans it made her "very emotional". So the guy who thought he was doing us all a favour might actually have inspired her to do another 'bleeding love'. Cheers c*** |
| [07:02:10] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i actually do look back through code i wrote several months previous, and am completely lost as to what does what |
| [07:02:58] | [R]: | justinh: i love that song |
| [07:03:18] | jfry_: | iamlindoro, so if the metadata tables simply store the filenames of the cover/fan art... if I just remove the SG and add the path in the FE shouldn't it pick up the existing art? It's just looking for a file of name.jpg in the path set for coverart right? |
| [07:03:35] | justinh: | [R]: so apart from a braces fetish there's somethig else wrong with you :-P |
| [07:03:36] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [07:03:36] | wagnerrp: | no, it wants a full path |
| [07:03:54] | [R]: | justinh: braces? |
| [07:04:07] | justinh: | brackets/braces |
| [07:04:23] | [R]: | huh? |
| [07:04:26] | justinh: | [ |
| [07:04:28] | justinh: | ] |
| [07:04:28] | iamlindoro: | I am not comfortable helping someone manually hack their DB. I'll say it again-- if you want to switch, you need to do it by clearing out your metadata and rescanning with a local mount |
| [07:04:30] | [R]: | ohR |
| [07:04:32] | [R]: | ROFL |
| [07:04:59] | iamlindoro: | If you choose to do otherwise, you are on your own |
| [07:05:00] | [R]: | justinh: i actually made a really funny joke once about that song |
| [07:05:04] | [R]: | totally inappropriate though |
| [07:05:12] | justinh: | [R]: tampon related, right? |
| [07:05:16] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [07:05:17] | [R]: | yup |
| [07:05:41] | justinh: | if you did, I made the same joke a while back too – and while I thought it inappropriate to repeat, my wife came out & said it first |
| [07:06:42] | justinh: | "my picture comes through funky". lol |
| [07:06:53] | justinh: | yeah guy, stop using the SHAFT fitler |
| [07:07:23] | justinh: | fitler? filter. |
| [07:07:30] | kormoc: | Right on |
| [07:08:13] | wagnerrp: | would that be an evil german who just throws tantrums? |
| [07:08:51] | justinh: | lol |
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| [07:27:00] | ** justinh smacks a blogger. "DVD speed control".. a 'new' feature? FFS ** | |
| [07:27:19] | justinh: | ah. moronix.com |
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| [07:28:31] | laga: | heh |
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| [07:30:11] | justinh: | if PR matters enough to have release candidates, maybe somebody should be assigned to writing 'press releases' :) |
| [07:30:50] | justinh: | then at least when all the outlets regurgitate info it stands a greater chance of being right |
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| [07:47:41] | jfry_: | iamlindoro, it wasn't so bad updating the table |
| [07:47:57] | jfry_: | iamlindoro, I used [update videometadata set `fanart` = concat("/home/mythtv/fanart/", fanart) where fanart <> "";] |
| [07:48:30] | jfry_: | iamlindoro, and a similar statement for the cover art |
| [07:48:54] | jfry_: | iamlindoro, all seems to be working fine once I removed the SG and added the folder path |
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| [08:13:03] | justinh: | heh. All the 'short' URLs showing up on the twitter timeline are longer than www.mythtv.org |
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| [11:57:33] | Finswimmer: | Hello, I have 3 storage folders. One is my on my root partition. Can I just move the content from storage_folder1 to storage_folder2? Or do I have to adjust something in the database first? |
| [11:58:31] | justinh: | do not adjust something in your database |
| [11:58:34] | gbee: | Finswimmer: you can move files from one storage group to another transparently |
| [11:58:41] | justinh: | use the GUI :) |
| [12:00:54] | stuarta: | or the force |
| [12:00:57] | stuarta: | that works sometimes |
| [12:01:41] | Finswimmer: | justinh: Where can I do that in the GUI? |
| [12:02:20] | _ben: | mythtv-setup iirc? |
| [12:02:37] | _ben: | ah, ignore me |
| [12:02:42] | Finswimmer: | _ben: :) |
| [12:03:09] | justinh: | depends which paths you mean |
| [12:03:47] | justinh: | and on which version you mean ;-) |
| [12:03:55] | justinh: | you never said |
| [12:04:49] | Finswimmer: | 0.21 |
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| [12:17:55] | justinh: | oops. I forgot this monitor doesn't do NTSC |
| [12:19:03] | mag0o: | heh |
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| [12:47:35] | gbee: | not knowing much on the subject all this colourspace stuff going in to trunk has got me wondering what an STB etc would be doing, aren't modern TVs smart enough to convert the incoming signal to the colours they support? |
| [12:48:14] | justinh: | more to the point STBs don't do anything to it |
| [12:48:23] | gbee: | It seems like we should be outputting the broadest colour range and letting the tv/monitor do the correction |
| [12:49:20] | gbee: | getting a little sick of adding new settings for stuff that should be automatic or the default (for the benefit of 1% of people who are doing something unusual, or have shitty hardware) |
| [12:49:21] | justinh: | it's another hangover from SD broadcasting |
| [12:50:05] | justinh: | PC graphics have never had an intentionally limited gamut whereas broadcast/recorded media has |
| [12:50:37] | gbee: | but I'd like to be better informed before I take this argument to the -developers list |
| [12:51:18] | justinh: | traditionally in analogue video it was necessary to help define areas of the signal – i.e. black couldn't be zero because that's where the syncs are (down in the lower 200–300mV) |
| [12:53:00] | justinh: | I thought jya explained it well enough on his ticket |
| [12:53:54] | justinh: | there are prolly a lot of TVs which don't/can't do anything with out of gamut video from PCs or it wouldn't be needed |
| [12:54:59] | justinh: | and it's probably not as simple as adjusting brightness/contrast on the set because the TV's input processor might be doing the clipping |
| [12:55:10] | jya: | gbee: there are two issues at hand... the colorspace used by the video, and the RGB range that the tv/monitor will accept. |
| [12:56:10] | jya: | ITU601 is the standard for SD, it defines resolution, timing, and colorange (gamut range) |
| [12:56:41] | jya: | ITU709 is the standard for HD, similar to 601, but with an extended gammut. |
| [12:57:35] | jya: | you can't really detect what a video is using, just has to assume that SD broadcast is ITU601 compliant, and HD is 709 |
| [12:58:24] | jya: | now , say you have a HD recordings, but converted to divx as say 270 lines, what standard did it us, did it convert colors? god knows |
| [12:59:48] | jya: | then you have RGB (PC monitor) vs sRGB (TV, broadcast), that you can easily choose according to the spec of the TV. but still the TV/monitor must match what the computer outputs. so you need settings on both sides |
| [13:00:19] | gbee: | right, all that is pretty clear, the bit I'm really questioning is this bit (the output to the TV and why we need users to decide whether to do the conversion or not) |
| [13:01:20] | jya: | i don't believe an auto-mode is going to be trivial... maybe looking at the decoded video, see what range its using, but if using vdpau you can't get that info, plus you initialise the color range *before* you start playing, as you initialise the vdpau rendering |
| [13:01:48] | gbee: | assuming for a moment that most modern TVs with digital input expect to be connected to PCs etc, they must have a way of dealing with both colour spaces automatically? No? |
| [13:02:25] | justinh: | I'd assume no tv will do anything with colourspaces |
| [13:02:31] | gbee: | jya: I'd always convert to the 'standard' colour spaces irrespective of the video source, lets assume for the moment that everything is broadcast |
| [13:02:38] | justinh: | well not *no* TV..I mean they'd do nothing by default |
| [13:03:20] | jya: | if everything is broadcast, the resolution tells you if it's 601 or 709. |
| [13:03:41] | jya: | you still need to know what rgb levels your tv accepts |
| [13:03:53] | jya: | the standard is sRGB |
| [13:04:02] | justinh: | it'll please the home cinema nuts no end, this :) |
| [13:04:39] | jya: | readong the documentation of my TV, everything is sRGB, there's also a xv.Colors (32 bits as defines by hdmi 1.3) |
| [13:04:47] | justinh: | how visible a difference of 000 to 032 is on most screends is anybody's guess |
| [13:04:52] | [Peter]: | gbee: one issue is if you only use one input and use a receiver as the input switch. most other inputs use sRGB so I have to switch back and forth in the OSD menu of the projector |
| [13:05:19] | [Peter]: | justinh: if you have a calibrated setup and switch the input mode the difference is huge |
| [13:05:39] | justinh: | I do know that broadcast video looks like crap on most PC monitors without gamut correction |
| [13:05:43] | jya: | one way to check the differences, try this test DVD |
| [13:05:59] | justinh: | PLUGE :) |
| [13:06:43] | jya: | http://merifon.altervista.org/TestDVD.html |
| [13:07:55] | jya: | the most obvious sign of using say ITU601 instead of 709 like what vdpau/mythtv has been doing , skin tones look redish |
| [13:08:07] | jya: | everyone had sunburn :) |
| [13:08:21] | justinh: | prefer that to the old NTSC jaundice ;-) |
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| [13:09:28] | justinh: | FWIW jya I think having to add the setting as a playback filter is the least obtrusive way to do it |
| [13:09:42] | gbee: | [Peter]: you'd be in a minority though, I'm looking at getting the best results for the majority of users 'out the box' or at least with user-friendly settings |
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| [13:10:16] | jya: | justinh: it's very dirty, that's not what filters are for, and was only put that way because it was the easiest |
| [13:10:44] | [Peter]: | gbee: the majority of users probably has TVs that expect sRGB |
| [13:10:46] | gbee: | in this case maybe we need a simple setting "Is this frontend connected to a) Monitor b) HD TV c) SD TV" |
| [13:11:01] | justinh: | heh. til somebody takes a hatchet to the video playback profiles pages |
| [13:11:06] | jya: | gbee: would have to decide what's the most common: people using myth with a tv or with a pc monitor |
| [13:11:08] | justinh: | shudder |
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| [13:11:40] | jya: | gbee: should be a)Monitor b)TV |
| [13:12:04] | [Peter]: | most people probably don't notice they use the wrong colorspace though |
| [13:12:04] | jya: | rgb levels aren't related to the colorspace used in videos |
| [13:12:08] | justinh: | but explain the setting in the FM :) |
| [13:12:30] | justinh: | so people who know what they're doing can set it appropriately |
| [13:12:32] | clever: | i either use an old crt based SDTV or a laptop |
| [13:12:39] | jya: | I'm a strong believer in rewriting the settings as a wizard, through questions |
| [13:13:01] | gbee: | jya: merely my way of descriminating between old analogue sets and modern LCD/Plasma which may or may not have had a better colour space |
| [13:13:01] | justinh: | not if that's all we'd be left with |
| [13:13:17] | clever: | jya: just put that in as an idiot friendly mode |
| [13:13:23] | clever: | so it can be turned off for the experts |
| [13:13:29] | jya: | yes... |
| [13:13:51] | justinh: | it's annoying enough you have to proceed through seven pages of NEXT in some setup areas |
| [13:14:08] | stuarta: | aye |
| [13:14:10] | [Peter]: | gbee: the default for most newer LCD/Plasma is still sRGB though.. some of them have full RGB as an option |
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| [13:14:26] | jya: | in any case, the settings are now a complete mess IMHO, it's everywhere even for similar options, often I have to look at the code to find out what it means |
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| [13:15:00] | bjb1959_: | anoyone know how to start live tv automatically when starting the frontend? |
| [13:15:08] | justinh: | yeah well, best of luck to whoever tries unpicking that lot first |
| [13:15:11] | jya: | [Peter] my Sony Bravia 46X3100, only let you use full RGB for component entry, hdmi default to sRGB |
| [13:15:15] | gbee: | exactly, although I'd not call our wives/girlfriends, friends and family idiots – they just don't know what this means – hell I'd lay money that over half the people in here, myself included have never heard of ITU601, ITV709 etc before today |
| [13:15:44] | clever: | gbee: same, no idea what it was |
| [13:15:47] | gbee: | I was just leafing through the manual/specs of my Bravia but couldn't see anything helpful |
| [13:16:05] | ** stuarta knew the concept, just none of the numbers ** | |
| [13:16:41] | clever: | color space doesnt matter much on the laptop i'm using right now |
| [13:16:49] | jya: | my sony calls it Photo Colour Space, and RGB dynamic range |
| [13:16:56] | clever: | if i hit the screen the wrong way, half the bits in the color are lost |
| [13:16:59] | stuarta: | when i can find a spare 5 minutes its time to build and run the new -fixes branch |
| [13:17:02] | clever: | all kinds of fun colors show up |
| [13:17:17] | stuarta: | clever: we all know your hardware is at least 5 years old |
| [13:17:24] | [Peter]: | jya: I have "HDMI Signal Level" "normal and expand".. very intuitive |
| [13:17:26] | gbee: | stuarta: well I knew that TVs, at least the old analogue sets would only accept a restricted colour range, but I didn't know that the same restriction applied to modern sets |
| [13:17:27] | clever: | stuarta: i think this laptop is even older:P |
| [13:17:28] | stuarta: | just getting any colours is an achivement |
| [13:17:42] | justinh: | viewing angles are way more than 5 degrees now :) |
| [13:17:53] | clever: | stuarta: it has a cd-key for win2k on the bottom |
| [13:17:58] | jya: | [Peter] that's the x.vColour |
| [13:18:04] | clever: | and yes, i do have TWO grey-scale lcd laptops :P |
| [13:18:06] | jya: | that's HDMI 1.3 |
| [13:18:10] | stuarta: | clever: i've one of those too |
| [13:18:12] | jya: | 32 bits video |
| [13:18:22] | stuarta: | actually, it came with win 98 |
| [13:18:34] | stuarta: | win 2k came out later |
| [13:18:40] | clever: | stuarta: my grey scale laptop cant run 98, and without the extra ram, not even 95 |
| [13:18:47] | [Peter]: | jya: well, it switches between full RGB and sRGB |
| [13:19:12] | jya: | not exactly |
| [13:19:15] | clever: | stuarta: this one is so old and falling appart, that i can bend the entire laptop in my hand |
| [13:19:20] | clever: | it flexes |
| [13:19:25] | ** stuarta points at the bin ** | |
| [13:19:33] | clever: | stuarta: and this is the final working one:P |
| [13:19:43] | clever: | i dropped the power supply for the good laptop, and it somehow failed |
| [13:19:51] | clever: | so now the good laptop has no way to charge it |
| [13:20:12] | clever: | i was using the 'flexible' laptop as a commflagging server |
| [13:20:29] | jya: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X.v._Color |
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| [13:21:26] | jya: | note the "negative RGB values" |
| [13:21:31] | [Peter]: | jya: so I guess it doesn't support full RGB at all then |
| [13:21:56] | jya: | xvColor isn't PC RGB levels |
| [13:22:10] | jya: | it's an extension of sRGB |
| [13:22:27] | jya: | like white in sRGB is the same as white in xV |
| [13:23:28] | jya: | it's designed to be backward compatible with the same sRGB values |
| [13:23:46] | [Peter]: | really? |
| [13:24:03] | [Peter]: | if I switch it on when using a sRGB source the blacks gets gray |
| [13:24:06] | jya: | I made a mistake re hdmi 1.3 |
| [13:24:17] | jya: | that's Deep Color, :) |
| [13:24:29] | jya: | allright, i too i'm confused now |
| [13:24:45] | [Peter]: | I'm more than confused right now :) |
| [13:25:10] | jya: | problem in all this, colors on TV aren't broaddcast as RGB |
| [13:25:11] | stuarta: | see thats the problem with this stuff |
| [13:25:43] | stuarta: | instant confusion |
| [13:25:47] | stuarta: | which is what gbee is getting at |
| [13:25:49] | [Peter]: | switching to expand when watching a RGB source like myth does help a bit though even though I guess it's not really the correct thing to do as I thought :) |
| [13:26:03] | gbee: | and if we're confused, then ordinary users ... :) |
| [13:26:27] | [Peter]: | well, there should at least be an option to choose if you're using a monitor or a TV |
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| [13:26:43] | jya: | people when they think of colours, think of red, green,etc.. |
| [13:26:46] | [Peter]: | because most TVs, even modern ones, use sRGB as the default.. I think we can agree on that :) |
| [13:26:57] | stuarta: | 98% of people wouldn't be able to tell, or give a crap about it |
| [13:27:01] | jya: | but in TV, it isn't, luminance, chrominance etc |
| [13:27:14] | gbee: | so if possible we need to distill this down to simple questions like "TV or Monitor" and even if that's not 100% perfect, those who know about this stuff can override our choice of things like filters |
| [13:27:27] | jya: | i think we should have 3 choices in the settings |
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| [13:27:37] | jya: | monitor, HD TV, SD TV. |
| [13:28:11] | [Peter]: | why didn't they just go for PC RGB levels when they had the chance of redoing stuff? |
| [13:28:12] | jya: | if user choose monitor, we output pc level, and 709 for HD , 601 for SD |
| [13:28:25] | jya: | if SD TV, sRGB and 601 for everything |
| [13:28:43] | jya: | if HD TV, sRGB, 709 HD, 601 SD |
| [13:29:46] | stuarta: | how can you be sure that if someone says "i have HD tv" that it supports or is configured to use the required colourspace? |
| [13:29:49] | jya: | and configure that in the general screen, just after the sound setup |
| [13:30:10] | [Peter]: | stuarta: the most important part is the sRGB stuff IMHO |
| [13:30:15] | stuarta: | clearly there isn't a problem at the moment, or everyone would be screaming |
| [13:30:17] | jya: | it be safe to assume a TV is sRGB |
| [13:30:26] | stuarta: | yes |
| [13:30:29] | justinh: | FWIW I think there should be more distinct setup areas rather than voluminous pages |
| [13:30:49] | jya: | stuarta: most people get used to it, or don't notice after a while.. |
| [13:31:08] | stuarta: | but by inference of "< jya> if HD TV, sRGB, 709 HD, 601 SD" aren't you saying you automatically want to use the alternate colourspace? |
| [13:31:29] | justinh: | most people still have their HDready sets in 'burnout mode' IME ;-) |
| [13:31:33] | jya: | yes, because myth primary goal is to watch tv |
| [13:31:36] | stuarta: | as in the 709 spec |
| [13:31:46] | jya: | and hd broadcast will use 709, and sd use 601 |
| [13:31:55] | jya: | that's an international standard |
| [13:31:56] | stuarta: | can you guarantee that? |
| [13:32:10] | justinh: | no |
| [13:32:22] | justinh: | you can never bet against broadcasters being clueless :) |
| [13:32:36] | justinh: | but that isn't mythtv's problem |
| [13:32:44] | stuarta: | or modifying the stream to suit what they believe their customers have |
| [13:33:07] | stuarta: | lets ask this a different way |
| [13:33:12] | [Peter]: | stuarta: well, in that case myth will be wrong at some rare occasions.. as it is now it's always wrong |
| [13:33:24] | justinh: | if it looks shite played back in mythtv it'd look the same on a STB :) |
| [13:33:31] | justinh: | whereas now... |
| [13:33:35] | stuarta: | have we seen, "in the wild", any HD broadcast material using the 709 spec where we do the wrong thing? |
| [13:34:02] | jya: | currently with vdpau? always been wrong |
| [13:34:11] | jya: | the code always used itu601 |
| [13:34:21] | [Peter]: | itu601==pc rgb? |
| [13:34:27] | jya: | :) |
| [13:34:40] | jya: | no... |
| [13:34:52] | [Peter]: | I give up :D |
| [13:34:55] | stuarta: | is there any material already out there which has it's colours rendered wrong because of the use of itu601? |
| [13:35:01] | jya: | 601 for the broadcast content |
| [13:35:11] | jya: | pc vs studio that's for a screen |
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| [13:35:47] | jya: | stuarta: yes... any HD video you receive should have been using 709 |
| [13:35:49] | [Peter]: | jya: ah, right.. so the colorspace is only a matter for the playback device, not the screen. |
| [13:36:25] | jya: | summarising, yes |
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| [13:36:42] | stuarta: | jya: so why aren't people complaining that all the people in my recordings have a bad suntan? |
| [13:37:00] | [Peter]: | stuarta: they don't even complain about the sRGB stuff... people just can't tell |
| [13:37:00] | jya: | that's with vdpau |
| [13:37:36] | jya: | i always felt the color were wrong with mythtv/vdpau, but at least i could watch it :) |
| [13:38:01] | jya: | stuarta, plays with trunk and vdpau |
| [13:38:29] | jya: | play a HD recordings and change between colorspace=0 and colorspace=1 |
| [13:38:37] | [Peter]: | what does opengl and Xv use? |
| [13:38:38] | stuarta: | ENOVDPAU |
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| [13:39:41] | jya: | opengl uses what you tell it to use, it works similar to vdpau, you give it a CSC matrix |
| [13:40:11] | [Peter]: | yeah, but what does the myth opengl renderer use? or is there an option to it? |
| [13:40:25] | jya: | not yet... |
| [13:40:58] | jya: | you can define picture attributes currently |
| [13:43:48] | jya: | stuarta: plays with the test dvd there: http://merifon.altervista.org/TestDVD.html |
| [13:45:29] | jya: | reading the nvidia forum about sRGB issues, they have lodged a bug about it, to set the whole system as RGB or sRGB or YCbCr, like their windows driver does |
| [13:46:03] | gbee: | fwiw the difference is subtle enough that I really suspect most people won't even wonder about whether mythtv is to blame, if they notice anything, they'll play with the contrast/saturation/brightness settings on their TV or blame the broadcaster |
| [13:46:38] | gbee: | I mean actors wear so much makeup that their skin tones don't look what I'd call natural anyway |
| [13:46:48] | stuarta: | agreed, it's fixing something only 1% of people will notice |
| [13:47:56] | jya: | I see, so if there's a change the user will blame someone else but mythtv, then let's not do it :) |
| [13:48:23] | gbee: | but if myth can at least rule itself out of the equation by supplying the correct colours then so be it :) However if we're going to do it, lets do it by default and with easy to understand settings |
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| [13:49:27] | justinh: | that 1% of the userbase are prolly going to be more vocal than the other 99% ;-) |
| [13:49:52] | gbee: | hence the idea of asking a question that anyone can answer 'TV' or 'Monitor', or more generally we can deal with a number of _other_ settings just by asking 'Which country do you live in?' |
| [13:50:29] | jya: | TV Playback settings could have an extra drop down choice: screen connected : monitor/hd tv/sd tv |
| [13:50:38] | justinh: | yeah.. TV standard... freq. table.. yeesh |
| [13:51:04] | jya: | as you said it's very subtle, so even if wrong, it isn't that wrong |
| [13:51:13] | gbee: | "Are your speakers a) Stereo b) Surround (6 speakers) c) Surround (8 speakers)" etc :) |
| [13:51:43] | jya: | that's what i did when i changed the audio configuration screen |
| [13:51:59] | jya: | i believe it's much more intuitive now |
| [13:52:33] | gbee: | justinh: tv standard, freq table, language, date/time format, duplicate detection method and I think I came up with another half a dozen better defaults for the UK when I first dreamt this up |
| [13:52:36] | jya: | like if stereo, why would the user need to worry about upconversion setup and ac3/dts support? |
| [13:54:00] | jya: | allright, back to my Law&Order before bed time.. already 1AM, 'night.. |
| [13:54:30] | justinh: | have to have a look at that.. wonder if it'll affect me with my perverted stereo TV AND AC3/DTS passthrough requirement |
| [13:55:04] | gbee: | :p |
| [13:56:43] | jya: | justinh: i'm willing to bet that no one car hear on TV speakers the difference between pcm, ac3 and dts |
| [13:57:36] | jya: | if set to stereo, now your tv will get PCM, myth does the decoding... |
| [13:57:38] | resno|away: | i can hear the difference! |
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| [13:57:57] | jya: | on a tv? with their 20c speakers? |
| [13:58:00] | justinh: | no I mean I'll still want DTS & AC3 passthru for my HT receiver |
| [13:58:10] | resno: | actually i cant. |
| [13:58:20] | justinh: | while still doing stereo ordinaire on my TV through the FE's analogue audio |
| [13:58:43] | justinh: | I never mind turning the amp on for watching my TV shows but my wife is a different story |
| [13:58:46] | jya: | justinh: then you set myth as 5.1 with passthrough |
| [13:58:56] | j-rod: | people actually use built-in TV speakers? |
| [13:59:01] | j-rod: | :) |
| [13:59:16] | justinh: | j-rod: in the absence of any automation to turn the amp on, select the right input.. |
| [13:59:17] | jya: | i do, late at night... |
| [13:59:23] | resno: | justinh: did you get your stuff working today? |
| [13:59:28] | justinh: | and *don't* say use a harmony remote.. |
| [13:59:52] | j-rod: | justinh: but I *do* use a harmony remote... |
| [13:59:52] | jams: | i would never inflict a harmony remote on anybody |
| [13:59:55] | justinh: | resno: yeah. figured it out myself as usual. my mistake was following the docs |
| [14:00:10] | justinh: | j-rod: and your TV has proper discrete input switching on the remote? |
| [14:00:26] | jya: | how often with your harmony do you have to press the "help" button because something isn't right? |
| [14:00:37] | jya: | drives my wife nuts to no-end |
| [14:00:45] | j-rod: | my tv doesn't have discrete input switches, no |
| [14:00:47] | justinh: | my harmony screws it all up. AV2 is svideo or composite. I invariably end up with it on the wrong one so I don't use the 'actvities' stuff |
| [14:00:57] | jams: | jya when I used the harmony I had to press that button all the time |
| [14:01:01] | justinh: | and it's SLOW |
| [14:01:01] | j-rod: | but it usually gets it right |
| [14:01:37] | jya: | i've found the exact position on where to point the remote to, works 99% of the time now |
| [14:01:37] | j-rod: | my tv has a "dvi" button that takes you back to the last used dvi input if you're not already on a dvi input, and to the next dvi input if you're already on a dvi input |
| [14:01:52] | resno: | justinh: are you suggesting we stop following docs? |
| [14:01:55] | jya: | i've put some red scotch tape, told my wife, point the remote there |
| [14:01:56] | resno: | ;) |
| [14:02:03] | justinh: | plus its state machine is really dumb :( |
| [14:02:20] | justinh: | if you ever duck out of the activities mode to change something ad-hoc.. oh boy |
| [14:02:22] | j-rod: | the only way the remote really gets screwed up is if someone turns something off by hand |
| [14:02:53] | justinh: | mine's going on ebay once I find a suitable replacement for the old JP1 |
| [14:03:12] | justinh: | I've rarely been so frustrated with a consumer electronics device |
| [14:03:24] | j-rod: | my wife used to call me at work to figure out what inputs to put everything on before we got the harmony remote |
| [14:03:31] | j-rod: | ~4 years ago now |
| [14:03:37] | justinh: | we know what inputs to use on what |
| [14:03:47] | justinh: | so we just need a remote which lets us do that ourselves |
| [14:04:00] | justinh: | without having to press two buttons to change devices |
| [14:04:18] | justinh: | if I'd known about that I'd never have bought the blasted piece of crap |
| [14:05:02] | j-rod: | in the panacea of the future, I'm going to have everything feed my shiny new amp, and that'll output everything to the tv |
| [14:05:24] | justinh: | yeah my next amp will have rs232 & I'll get myth to do all the switching |
| [14:06:42] | j-rod: | I do have this commandir II I could try putting to use... |
| [14:07:02] | justinh: | hmmm would it be cheeky to ask for tomrrow off at this stage of the day? Probably but worth persuing |
| [14:07:54] | j-rod: | hey, its only 7am on the west coast of the US |
| [14:09:05] | Hodapp: | 10 AM here |
| [14:09:53] | j-rod: | and here |
| [14:10:59] | resno: | 10am here too :) |
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| [14:16:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | I sometimes get 'support' calls from some non-techie friends asking how to fix their TV... "I only get a blue screen"... ;-) |
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| [14:18:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Tell the boss you've been having problems with your furnace and the repairman is coming tomorrow, so you need to work from home... ;-) |
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| [14:23:23] | justinh: | heh the old boiler service routine. |
| [14:23:44] | justinh: | it's not for upgrading ... just feel the need to be somewhere else |
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| [14:24:41] | j-rod: | J-e-f-f-A: initial imon icon support is committed in svn trunk now |
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| [14:35:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: cool. ;-) I'm sorry I never got around to testing on my Hd44780 system... :-( |
| [14:35:57] | j-rod: | no problem, I tested it on an iMON VFD |
| [14:36:30] | j-rod: | and its 0.23 stuff, so there's time to fix it if it does break something |
| [14:37:26] | j-rod: | I picked up an Antec Veris Elite, which is Antec's iMON VFD 5.25" bay add-on |
| [14:37:40] | j-rod: | wanted something for imon driver testing besides on my main frontend anyway |
| [14:38:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: Oh, vfd in that? I thought they all had the LCD... |
| [14:38:08] | j-rod: | working on converting the imon stuff to be able to operate as pure input devices, no lirc needed, if so desired |
| [14:38:30] | Hodapp: | I should make an IR receiver soon. |
| [14:38:35] | Hodapp: | or just buy one with a remote. |
| [14:38:57] | j-rod: | I think I'm up to about 15 different receivers now |
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| [14:41:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: I should get off my booty for 0.23 LCD output 'enhancements' – As I feel the 'canned' screens available now don't have much to offer. |
| [14:41:28] | RyeBrye: | ah, j-rod... the i-mon mouse patches in there recently are very nice – it makes it work quite well |
| [14:41:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: i did some 'hacking' to lcdproc to change the bigclock font to a much nicer font (IMO)... |
| [14:41:53] | ** RyeBrye bows down at the feet of j-rod with his arms outstretched and starts chanting something ** | |
| [14:42:09] | ** Hodapp steals RyeBrye's wallet while he does this ** | |
| [14:43:11] | justinh: | manufacturers should be donatint kit for this kind of stuff IMHO |
| [14:43:17] | justinh: | *donating, even |
| [14:43:47] | RyeBrye: | i think a first step would be releasing specs, which imon hasn't done yet right? all the info gleaned has been reverse engineered? |
| [14:44:03] | j-rod: | justinh: I pinged soundgraph, antec, moneual, thermaltake and one or two others... NADA |
| [14:44:26] | j-rod: | dead silence from soundgraph, the others at least wrote back and said "sorry, but no" |
| [14:44:40] | justinh: | jees even with your profile? that's lame |
| [14:44:54] | justinh: | for what it'd cost them |
| [14:45:02] | justinh: | in terms of what it could *get* them |
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| [14:45:18] | j-rod: | yeah, I even tried to spin it that way in my pitch |
| [14:45:42] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, we've all gotten one of those letters before |
| [14:45:57] | iamlindoro: | one of those ones that starts with "My name is Jaord Wilson-- that's right, THE Jarod Wilson." |
| [14:45:58] | j-rod: | RyeBrye: mostly RE'd, yes |
| [14:45:59] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [14:46:06] | j-rod: | haha |
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| [14:46:51] | ** J-e-f-f-A owes his MythTV beginnings to none other... ;-) ** | |
| [14:46:56] | ** RyeBrye too ** | |
| [14:47:21] | justinh: | I remember reading those instructions, trying it on Redhat 2 & going "WTF?" before giving up |
| [14:47:51] | justinh: | whaddya mean not found?! this is LINUX isn't it?! grrr |
| [14:48:14] | justinh: | most noobish noob ever I think |
| [14:49:04] | iamlindoro: | I was probably three mythboxes in before I felt safe enough to reboot |
| [14:49:11] | RyeBrye: | has there been progress on using the HD-PVR as an IR receiver with lirc? |
| [14:49:30] | j-rod: | it works |
| [14:49:43] | j-rod: | just, a bit unstable if its in the middle of recording, apparently |
| [14:49:48] | j-rod: | haven't had time to debug that yet |
| [14:49:56] | j-rod: | (or even try to repro) |
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| [14:54:56] | justinh: | A-Ha to break up after 25 years. lol I love BBC news |
| [14:57:48] | highzeth: | What have they done after Take on Me? =P |
| [14:58:10] | resno: | justinh: thats funny i was just listening to a-ha |
| [15:00:31] | ** j-rod listening to Sir Mix-A-Lot's My Posse's On Broadway, reminiscing about high school ** | |
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| [15:02:08] | j-rod: | go back the other way, we'll stop and eat at Dick's |
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| [15:02:47] | j-rod: | crude jokes aside, I ate at that Dick's many times when I was in high school |
| [15:04:53] | justinh: | heheheh samsung has been rapped by the ASA for their 'LED TV' ads |
| [15:05:09] | wagnerrp: | ASA? |
| [15:05:19] | justinh: | advertising standards authority |
| [15:05:42] | justinh: | LCD backlit or edge-lit with LED != LED TV :) |
| [15:05:49] | wagnerrp: | something about them not actually using LEDs in the panel, just the backlight |
| [15:06:12] | justinh: | precisemelely |
| [15:06:57] | gbee: | A-Ha were still going? |
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| [15:08:06] | justinh: | aparently they were :) |
| [15:08:10] | highzeth: | released a album earlier this year |
| [15:08:18] | highzeth: | Morten was broke Im sure |
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| [15:24:38] | j-rod: | nb: hvr-1600 + lirc_i2c + 2.6.31 kernel == no working IR |
| [15:24:53] | j-rod: | and possibly the hvr-1300 as well |
| [15:25:01] | j-rod: | not lirc's fault though |
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| [15:25:41] | pak0: | hi all people |
| [15:25:54] | pak0: | i have two questions, and cannot read answer on wiki |
| [15:26:15] | pak0: | probabily for my low english =( |
| [15:26:50] | pak0: | first, is better to use opengl than qt on aperance ? (i`m using mythtv trunk 0.22) |
| [15:27:07] | ** wagnerrp suggests some of the SchedulesDirect money might go toward some beefier trac servers for a couple weeks on either side of the 0.22 release ** | |
| [15:27:09] | pak0: | second, where i can find the option for update all my video database in one step? |
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| [15:27:29] | gbee: | pak0: if you have a graphics card driver which supports GL then use it, it's faster and supports more effects |
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| [15:28:49] | pak0: | i have a 9500gt and latest nvidia drivers |
| [15:29:01] | j-rod: | yeah, use the opengl painter |
| [15:29:07] | pak0: | thank you |
| [15:29:18] | pak0: | and anyone know how to update all my video db? |
| [15:29:34] | pak0: | i only can find the option for donwload for each movie in all themes of myth |
| [15:30:09] | j-rod: | you want to do bulk metadata updating for all your videos, correct? |
| [15:30:51] | wagnerrp: | for individual updates, press 'w' |
| [15:30:56] | wagnerrp: | for bulk updates, run JAMU |
| [15:31:00] | j-rod: | if so, http://mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu |
| [15:31:15] | pak0: | ohhhh, ok |
| [15:31:26] | iamlindoro: | But if your english isn't strong, the chances of understanding the wiki instructions for it are extremely low |
| [15:31:27] | pak0: | this is the package that breaks all time on my system xD |
| [15:31:43] | iamlindoro: | and you will gt better results by doing it manually (better artwork, different fanart per-season) |
| [15:32:25] | iamlindoro: | And I've been storing it up for a while now, it's ONE TIME, just do it manually and be done with it |
| [15:32:57] | iamlindoro: | all the time people spend trying to get a script to do it for them is (IMO) many times what it would have take to just do it in the UI |
| [15:33:22] | pak0: | i can?t find artwork |
| [15:33:28] | pak0: | only download metadate mode |
| [15:33:37] | iamlindoro: | download metadata *does* download artwork |
| [15:33:42] | wagnerrp: | youre running trunk? or 0.22RC? |
| [15:33:45] | pak0: | yes |
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| [15:33:56] | pak0: | i just try iy with 2 movies |
| [15:34:06] | wagnerrp: | then if the artwork exists on themoviedb or thetvdb, it will be downloaded |
| [15:34:07] | pak0: | and no artwork, let my try with another |
| [15:34:47] | wagnerrp: | it is possible you chose some obscure movie that has no artwork |
| [15:35:14] | wagnerrp: | it will take considerable time for themoviedb to build up to where imdb was, in terms of volume |
| [15:35:25] | iamlindoro: | Or are searching for local versions of titles |
| [15:35:31] | wagnerrp: | speaking of which... the site seems to be down |
| [15:36:22] | wagnerrp: | if the site is down, trying to grab images off of it will fail |
| [15:36:31] | pak0: | i just try it with two films more and do nothing |
| [15:36:35] | pak0: | only cover and data |
| [15:36:36] | wagnerrp: | however searching and text data is handled by separate API servers which may still be online |
| [15:36:44] | pak0: | braveheart and chaos |
| [15:36:57] | pak0: | ill try it later, i have to go now |
| [15:37:03] | pak0: | thank you very much for your support |
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| [16:07:44] | simonckenyon: | GreyFoxx: i have been told here that you have some patches that provide support for SG with VOB/iso files. is that true and are they available? |
| [16:08:26] | wagnerrp: | sorta, and no |
| [16:08:47] | wagnerrp: | its an adaptation of some remote DVD access thing he wrote |
| [16:09:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | uses nbd I believe |
| [16:09:18] | wagnerrp: | create devices so he can remotely use a firewire dvd changer |
| [16:09:47] | simonckenyon: | i see. i just want to use SG and all my video files are isos' |
| [16:10:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | I wonder if we can just preload a lib that overrides the open/read/write/seek system calls. |
| [16:10:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | can't do that I guess if we're using internal. |
| [16:10:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | but might work for external |
| [16:10:48] | simonckenyon: | i use internal video player |
| [16:11:51] | simonckenyon: | my other option is to go back to nfs/samba – but then my one windows client has a problem with the full path names in the db |
| [16:11:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: It's about time something was done about that false advertising... (RE: "LED TV"...) |
| [16:12:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | I believe the issue is one of the dvd libs opens the files directly so they can't work with remote SGs. |
| [16:12:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: ooh, I might start to use my Sony changer then... ;-) |
| [16:13:12] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: a firewire attached one? |
| [16:13:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: yep. X1B iirc? 200-disc monster. |
| [16:13:29] | wagnerrp: | ive got a sony changer too, but its just a normal DVD player |
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| [16:14:17] | wagnerrp: | 200 just seems so small, especially given how that thing is designed |
| [16:14:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | XL1B (I was close...) |
| [16:15:27] | wagnerrp: | i mean its just a carousel with a rom in the center of the wheel isnt it? |
| [16:15:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: yeah, that's it: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-VGP-XL1B2-Media-Ch . . . p/B000ENU79C It's also a burner. Yes. |
| [16:15:57] | wagnerrp: | but still, the drive is in the center, meaning youve got a minimum size you can build the thing to |
| [16:16:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: It's actually got a mount for a 2nd drive, and folks have hacked around to try to implement it, but I haven't followed if they actually got it working. |
| [16:16:32] | wagnerrp: | the drive is in the corner? |
| [16:17:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: no, the drive is offset in the center, and there's a mount for another one 180 degrees in the opposite direction apparently. (also in the center) |
| [16:17:41] | wagnerrp: | you sure about that? |
| [16:17:50] | wagnerrp: | its not to let you hit the other side of the disk? |
| [16:18:04] | wagnerrp: | my (300-disk changer) has a 'flip' button |
| [16:18:18] | wagnerrp: | it retracts the disk, spins 180, and inserts the disk from the other side |
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| [16:20:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: http://www.ocmodshop.com/images/reviews/stora . . . anger_19.jpg |
| [16:21:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Looking at that pic makes me think that I darn well better not move the thing with any discs loaded into it!!!!! |
| [16:21:15] | wagnerrp: | looks like mine actually is a fair bit bigger |
| [16:21:48] | wagnerrp: | on mine, the disks are in some big plastic toroid |
| [16:21:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: The whole page that image is on is: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/ . . . 26hl%3Den%26 |
| [16:21:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us%26um%3D1 |
| [16:22:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | oops, that didn't work too well, let's make it a tinyurl... |
| [16:22:16] | wagnerrp: | dont worry, i got it |
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| [16:23:57] | wagnerrp: | mine is a big plastic toroid, but theres enough room the disks would still fall out if you turned it upside down |
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| [16:24:15] | wagnerrp: | but on the plus side, it has a big door you open to let you load it manually |
| [16:24:21] | wagnerrp: | none of this 'one-at-a-time' crap |
| [16:25:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Looks like they do have a clear plastic cover that would keep the discs more-or-less in place if tipped/moved, as shown on the next page of that article... |
| [16:25:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: yeah, I hate the one-at-a-time loading aspect. And slow too... |
| [16:26:02] | wagnerrp: | nah, they will still fall out into the corners, requiring you to open it up to retrieve them |
| [16:26:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | (ie: at least 20–30 seconds per disc... if not double that...) |
| [16:26:27] | wagnerrp: | well it probably loads the disk, and spins it up to read the data |
| [16:26:41] | wagnerrp: | mine only pulls dvd information on first play |
| [16:27:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: using it in Linux, it doesn't read the disc at all if you just load it into a slot with MTX. |
| [16:28:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: with today's low HDD prices, it probably makes more sense to do what many others have – rip the DVDs to ISOs on a HDD... Much faster and less complex too... |
| [16:29:20] | Lunar_Lamp: | Am I correct in thinking that, for a frontend system, any modern dedicated graphics card capable of HDMI output will be able to give me full HD output on the screen? (i.e. it won't struggle from a performance aspect) |
| [16:29:21] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its only like $0.50/movie to store |
| [16:30:03] | wagnerrp: | Lunar_Lamp: any old graphics card with HDMI or DVI will give you HD output |
| [16:30:28] | wagnerrp: | however understand that the end older cards often could not push 1920x1080 on their TMDS transmitters |
| [16:30:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | Lunar_Lamp: Resolution, Yes. But wether you'll be able to decode and play back full-motion HD video depends on other factors.. |
| [16:30:43] | Lunar_Lamp: | wagnerrp: well, that's what I thought, but as I never pay any attention to graphics cards I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. |
| [16:31:00] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt take any significant power to run a 1920x1080 display |
| [16:31:06] | Lunar_Lamp: | J-e-f-f-A: network latency and CPU on the frontend machine are the factors I'm expecting there. |
| [16:31:09] | Lunar_Lamp: | Have I missed one? |
| [16:31:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | Lunar_Lamp: What format is your source HD media? |
| [16:31:25] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv doesnt need much more than functional opengl support to get all the performance it needs out of it |
| [16:32:05] | wagnerrp: | network latency is not an issue |
| [16:32:16] | wagnerrp: | any sane setup is going to be on the order of a couple ms or less |
| [16:32:25] | Lunar_Lamp: | J-e-f-f-A: it varies to be honest; I haven't settled on anything as I don't *regularly* watch HD stuff. I was just not wanting to hamstring myself by getting an underpowered graphics card. |
| [16:32:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | Lunar_Lamp: For US ATSC, which is MPEG2, you can decode with software with a 'moderate' cpu, even at 720p. |
| [16:32:39] | wagnerrp: | however network throughput, and more importantly network stability is what will give you problems |
| [16:32:49] | Lunar_Lamp: | J-e-f-f-A: UK PAL here :-) |
| [16:33:02] | wagnerrp: | there is no PAL HD material |
| [16:33:08] | wagnerrp: | doesnt exist |
| [16:33:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Lunar_Lamp: But Blueray or HD-DVD rips or MPEG4 or H.264, you're either going to need a really beefy cpu or VDPAU... |
| [16:33:44] | Lunar_Lamp: | It'd be blueray rips mostly – I like to keep them stored centrally rather than track down the discs. |
| [16:33:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | (at HD resolutions anyways) |
| [16:34:10] | wagnerrp: | bluray will run you 25–35mbps, vc1 or h264 |
| [16:34:25] | wagnerrp: | which means you need a very high end dual core |
| [16:34:31] | wagnerrp: | or probably any quad core |
| [16:34:34] | wagnerrp: | to decode in software |
| [16:34:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ yep |
| [16:34:48] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, youre going to need a video card that supports VDPAU |
| [16:34:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ yep again. ;-) |
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| [16:35:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... How's ATI doing with their hardware decoding api in Linux? Any developments? |
| [16:35:51] | iamlindoro: | 0 |
| [16:36:09] | wagnerrp: | HDDVD is generally a bit more lenient, 15–25mbps |
| [16:36:22] | Lunar_Lamp: | I was planning on an Core2Duo E7400, but the cheap graphics card I've got my eye on supports VDPAU I believe (Nvidia 8400GS) |
| [16:36:23] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: what are you talking about? XvBA has been in their drivers since last year |
| [16:36:41] | wagnerrp: | (nevermind that its not actually enabled...) |
| [16:37:02] | wagnerrp: | that card will do just fine |
| [16:37:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehehe ^^^ I was gonna say that I remembered hearing 'rumors' of it, but nothing coming to light so far... |
| [16:38:21] | wombo: | Actually Phronix hinted at something very soon |
| [16:38:36] | wombo: | as they just released UVD2 for unix |
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| [16:38:57] | wagnerrp: | theyve been hinting about xvba/uvd since it showed up in the drivers last october |
| [16:38:58] | wombo: | but where NDAed or something about something like VDPAU |
| [16:39:00] | iamlindoro: | where "just" = 15 months ago? |
| [16:39:24] | wagnerrp: | remember, they had their stuff out before nvidia |
| [16:39:29] | wombo: | let me find the article it was only yesterday or something |
| [16:40:07] | PeaceKeeper: | what file system is recommended for a new backend install? |
| [16:40:11] | wombo: | ahh it was openCL |
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| [16:40:33] | wagnerrp: | xfs, jfs, or ext3 with slow deletes |
| [16:40:50] | PeaceKeeper: | ok I have xfs now, just wanted to check. Thank you |
| [16:40:53] | wagnerrp: | and multiples, thats the key |
| [16:41:07] | wombo: | actually read the middle section of this article http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . er&num=1 |
| [16:41:09] | wagnerrp: | you want your os and database on a different file system from your recordings |
| [16:41:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | PeaceKeeper: I happen to use JFS on my video disks. |
| [16:41:36] | wombo: | "UVD2 in ATI Radeon hardware will finally mean something on Linux, but we will have to wait to share more until permitted." |
| [16:41:54] | iamlindoro: | wombo, They said something near identical nearly a year ago |
| [16:41:56] | gbee: | ATi have had hardware decoding in their driver since last year, but with no client libs or documented api released for end users, they were holding that stuff back for commercial clients (embedded systems etc) |
| [16:41:57] | iamlindoro: | but we shall see |
| [16:41:58] | wombo: | lol |
| [16:42:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | wombo: Humm.. broken english... |
| [16:42:16] | wombo: | yeah it is a little broken |
| [16:42:17] | iamlindoro: | It wouldn't bother me in the least to have more options |
| [16:42:44] | wombo: | and on that note of broken, I think my thought processes are broken after a long day. so time for bed |
| [16:42:50] | wombo: | cya |
| [16:42:54] | wagnerrp: | gbee: you mean that stuff actually works? they just havent told anyone how to use it? |
| [16:42:59] | PeaceKeeper: | wagnerrp: differnet filesystem or differenet drive? |
| [16:43:04] | gbee: | apparently parts of the decoder and therefore it's API were subject to NDA because of third party patents, they expected someone in the community to reverse engineer it, but no-one has |
| [16:43:18] | PeaceKeeper: | sorry typos that... uggg |
| [16:43:25] | wagnerrp: | filesystem is desired, drive is recommended |
| [16:43:30] | iamlindoro: | And why would one, with VDPAU being so "easy" |
| [16:43:45] | gbee: | wagnerrp: oh yeah, it works, but for the reason I just gave they can't tell anyone how it works |
| [16:43:46] | PeaceKeeper: | Ok I will put on different drive... thx again! |
| [16:44:03] | wagnerrp: | well thats retarded... |
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| [16:44:39] | wagnerrp: | i guess they figure the linux home theater market is not something to be concerned about |
| [16:44:48] | wagnerrp: | (and theyre probably right) |
| [16:45:53] | gbee: | when they added XvBA to the driver there was no VDPAU and no hint that Nvidia were adding support to their driver, I suspect AMD thought they were doing us a big favour but had their glory snatched by Nvidia about four months later |
| [16:46:27] | PeaceKeeper: | .22 Release Candidate nice. Thank you to everyone who is working on this release (an others). We appreciate it! |
| [16:46:42] | iamlindoro: | that said, they had a window to still be competitive if they hadn't dragged their feet for (as of now) 13 more months |
| [16:47:23] | iamlindoro: | as it stands XVBA will have to be massively impressive to swap people (and devs on projects) from VDPAU |
| [16:47:43] | gbee: | wagnerrp: they are quite open about doing all they can to help, but admitting that their hands are frequently tied by third party patent and licensing issues, ATI outsourced a lot of hardware design work on non-critical components or bought off the shelf |
| [16:47:47] | iamlindoro: | For all the issues I've seen w/ VDPAU, though, my money is still on ffmpeg-mt |
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| [16:49:19] | gbee: | lets face it, Nvidia isn't in a better position, probably a worse one – they are never going to help in the development of open source drivers they were just lucky enough not to have the same legal issues on their decoding hardware |
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| [16:50:09] | PeaceKeeper: | ffmpeg-mt? Woo somethign new to lookup/ |
| [16:50:29] | gbee: | whereas AMD released all the technical details, spec sheets, apis etc that they were legally able to and as a result we have OSS drivers that are nearly equal in performance and features to the closed source binary driver |
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| [16:51:08] | ** wagnerrp just wants a motherboard with svideo, and the ability to play back his HD rips ** | |
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| [16:51:32] | iamlindoro: | I personally have no real allegiance to either, though I do have a soft spot for ffmpeg as a project, and w/r/t tolerance to broken broadcasts, I've not seen any hardware decoder match it |
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| [16:52:57] | RyeBrye: | Does VDPAU have a max bitrate for H264 AVC? |
| [16:52:58] | gbee: | I'm an all nvidia shop right now, but I do like AMD/ATI better (probably because their the underdogs) |
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| [16:53:11] | wagnerrp: | RyeBrye: its limited to 4.1 |
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| [16:53:18] | RyeBrye: | 4.1 MBit? |
| [16:53:19] | iamlindoro: | profile 4.1, that is |
| [16:53:21] | RyeBrye: | Oh, ok |
| [16:53:27] | gbee: | looking forward to ffmpeg-mt, since it's hardware independent |
| [16:53:47] | wagnerrp: | and all the limitations that entails |
| [16:53:53] | gbee: | bah, desk lamp has just died |
| [16:54:04] | laga: | gbee: here, have some candles. |
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| [16:54:12] | laga: | good idea, actually |
| [16:54:15] | ** laga gets some candles ** | |
| [16:54:29] | wagnerrp: | it will let you try to decode unrestricted content |
| [16:54:33] | gnome42: | sphery or anyone: Re #6853, I am unaware of anyone else reporting problems like that. Does that sound like a config issue? (aggressive buffering or that other option maybe?) |
| [16:54:47] | wagnerrp: | but unless its actually 4.1, and just mislabeled in the bitstream, youre going to fail |
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| [16:55:56] | iamlindoro: | hey, neato, case in point, someone just submitted an ffmpeg MKV chapter muxing support patch |
| [16:57:01] | wagnerrp: | speaking of which, you know how to pull chapters out of hddvd/bluray? |
| [16:57:11] | wagnerrp: | i used to use chapter xtractor for dvds |
| [16:57:18] | wagnerrp: | but dont know anything for the new formats |
| [16:57:39] | iamlindoro: | don't know if it's known yet, don't think it's marked in the film files themselves |
| [16:57:49] | iamlindoro: | think it might be in one of the supporting files |
| [16:57:59] | wagnerrp: | in the ts? |
| [16:58:22] | iamlindoro: | no, think it's in one of the other files on the disk |
| [16:58:51] | wagnerrp: | oh, supporting files, not supporting streams |
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| [17:02:02] | wagnerrp: | seems this one does bluray... http://jvance.com/pages/ChapterGrabber.xhtml |
| [17:02:57] | iamlindoro: | yeah, the MPLS |
| [17:02:57] | wagnerrp: | apparently eac3to works for hddvds |
| [17:03:09] | RyeBrye: | So if I'm adding 2 1.5 TB drives to my system, and I want to do some kind of setup where I split up the space partially for MythTV storage and partially for storage of family photos etc – and I want to have the photos and stuff regularly be backed up... would it make sense to just split up the drives into 4 partitions (maybe even logical partitions) and then use 2 storage groups for the myth stuff and then use some automated nightly system to sync th |
| [17:03:09] | RyeBrye: | I want to backup? |
| [17:03:09] | iamlindoro: | (I think that's the "playlist" file for Blu) |
| [17:03:23] | RyeBrye: | I thought about doing a RAID-0 on top of LVM but that seemed a bit crazy |
| [17:03:32] | RyeBrye: | (raid-0 for the storage for myth) |
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| [17:04:07] | wagnerrp: | just do two partitions on both drives |
| [17:04:15] | wagnerrp: | mirror the smaller partition for the pictures |
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| [17:04:25] | wagnerrp: | and use the two larger ones for recordings |
| [17:04:27] | RyeBrye: | mirror manually or with a sync thing? |
| [17:04:35] | wagnerrp: | sync what? |
| [17:04:42] | RyeBrye: | err... sorry.. that made no sense |
| [17:05:13] | wagnerrp: | use lvm or mdadm or whatever it is on linux to make a software mirror |
| [17:05:22] | wagnerrp: | or dont, and just rsync one to the other nightly |
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| [17:06:08] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I was thinking rsync to give some kind of protection against accidently deleting something |
| [17:06:25] | wagnerrp: | looks like the HDDVD stuff is just an xml file on the disk |
| [17:07:17] | RyeBrye: | Are there any good software tools people know of to burn HD content onto DVD's that play back things like PS3's? I think there is some way to do that with AVCHD files, is there not? |
| [17:07:24] | RyeBrye: | (software tools for linux, I should add) |
| [17:08:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... I've often wondered, but never asked — is VDPAU actually implemented in hardware, or as 'software' that runs on the video card's processor (ie CUDA I think it is?) ? |
| [17:08:19] | wagnerrp: | handbrake? |
| [17:08:37] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU is hardware |
| [17:08:48] | OmniCitadel: | If I change the channel call signs and numbers and rescan for channels will that over write my changes? |
| [17:08:49] | wagnerrp: | the deinterlacers run in software on the GPU shaders |
| [17:09:11] | Hodapp: | J-e-f-f-A: VDPAU does not require CUDA, which is why it can run on hardware that doesn't support CUDA. |
| [17:09:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Hodapp Ok, cool. Thanks guys. ;-) |
| [17:09:34] | wagnerrp: | Hodapp: ALL VDPAU capable hardware also supports CUDA |
| [17:09:51] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A: Both, it's how the older feature set cards are getting newer features |
| [17:10:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Yeah, that's kinda what I "reasoned' myself... |
| [17:10:27] | wagnerrp: | the VC-1 bitstream decoding on older cards is done in the driver |
| [17:10:40] | wagnerrp: | whether that is on the CPU, in shader code, or in CUDA, i dont know |
| [17:10:49] | wagnerrp: | but all other video decoding is on dedicated hardware |
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| [17:10:56] | sphery: | gnome42: PulseAudio in use via an ALSA default device redefinition a la http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/397932#397932 ? (Pulse gets re-enabled after we disable it in those cases--though http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 00994#400994 should have improved our "suspend" ability, even for those configurations.) |
| [17:10:59] | Hodapp: | wagnerrp: interesting, I was apparently under the delusion that no PCI cards supported CUDA. |
| [17:11:13] | RyeBrye: | Ah. http://saas-ppm.blogspot.com/2008/11/playing- . . . blu-ray.html looks like someone wrote a script to automate the whole thing. Maybe I'll play with that sometime and test it out :) (I wonder how hard it would be to patch this kind of option into mythburn... I.e. have it have a checkbox for "AVCHD disk or DVD Video disk" or something... |
| [17:11:43] | OmniCitadel: | If I change the channel call signs and numbers and rescan for channels will that over write my changes? |
| [17:11:45] | wagnerrp: | Hodapp: all 8-series cards (aside from the G80 8800GTX/8800GTS320/8800GTS640) support CUDA |
| [17:11:48] | wagnerrp: | that includes PCI cards |
| [17:12:02] | wagnerrp: | there is no such thing as a PCI nvidia card any longer |
| [17:12:09] | ** Hodapp stabs someone ** | |
| [17:12:12] | wagnerrp: | they are all just PCIe cards with a bridge chip added by the OEM |
| [17:12:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | OmniCitadel: no nead to repeat yourself – I don't know the answer or I would have replied... |
| [17:12:32] | Hodapp: | hmmm. |
| [17:12:54] | RyeBrye: | oh, nm. that script just converts stuff from an existing AVCHD camera recording... but at least it shows me what the filesystem is supposed to look like on the dvd image |
| [17:12:57] | wagnerrp: | he likes to repeat himself every time someone new enters the room |
| [17:13:49] | iamlindoro: | That is to say, stop repeating yourself every three minutes |
| [17:13:54] | iamlindoro: | we are not your slaves |
| [17:14:05] | iamlindoro: | If you must repeat yourself, wait at *least* an hour |
| [17:15:00] | gnome42: | sphery: oh, it's that Pulse Audio problem? you can tell pulse is in use from the log? |
| [17:15:35] | OmniCitadel: | well I will be the test rat and try it and ill let you know... i dont stand to lose much |
| [17:15:49] | RyeBrye: | OmniCitadel: backup the DB. Run the rescan. If you like it, keep it. If not, reload your backup |
| [17:16:12] | sphery: | gnome42: no, just a wild guess... |
| [17:16:41] | sphery: | there wouldn't really be any indications of pulse in the logs even if that is causing issues |
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| [17:23:19] | gnome42: | sphery: k, cool. I'll pass on those pointers to the user. Thanks. |
| [17:24:31] | sphery: | gnome42: sorry I can't think of anything else... hope it helps, though. |
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| [17:38:54] | OmniCitadel: | ok the grand answer is if you change the call sign or channel number the run a channel search it does not over write or add duplicates... I suspect this is because of the frequency |
| [17:39:37] | pak0: | if i have a very good signal of dvb-t, why on mythtv i dont have it (only 56% – 60%) |
| [17:40:32] | iamlindoro: | because your tuner in your PC is much less sensitive/much more exposed to electronic interference than the one in your set top box |
| [17:43:29] | pak0: | and what can i do? how can i use it? is in the last position of pci on my case |
| [17:44:11] | wagnerrp: | get a bigger antenna? put an amp before your splitter? |
| [17:45:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | pak0: Are you able to tune and watch/record stuff with MythTV? It may just be a case of the card reporting the signal values wrong... |
| [17:46:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | pak0: One of my HD tuners doesn't even report signal strength, yet it works right. (either a driver bug or the card's implementation...) |
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| [17:49:11] | elmojo: | gnome42: seeing skip issues with LiveTV |
| [17:49:37] | elmojo: | got LiveTV in progress right now that will not skip backwards |
| [17:49:56] | wagnerrp: | elmojo: what revision? |
| [17:49:56] | elmojo: | and not skip forward either |
| [17:50:07] | elmojo: | 0.22-fixes |
| [17:50:12] | elmojo: | latest |
| [17:50:41] | elmojo: | gnome42: seems to work sometimes fine and then either not skip at all or skip to start |
| [17:50:41] | wagnerrp: | there were recently some fixes related to seeking, but they should have been backported to fixes |
| [17:50:54] | elmojo: | wagnerrp: this is a regression |
| [17:51:15] | gnome42: | elmojo: ho hum :) capture a frontend log, grab the seektable from the DB. janneg anything else to check? |
| [17:51:36] | jst_home: | elmojo, gnome42: I've seen odd skipping behavior since the last fixes related to that as well, but nothing consistent that I've been able to capture in a log yet |
| [17:51:55] | elmojo: | the log is going now and not sure how to dumb the seektable |
| [17:52:03] | elmojo: | s/dumb/dump/ |
| [17:52:48] | gnome42: | ok, I can't reproduce this easily. Maybe bisection is sanest debugging option? |
| [17:53:07] | elmojo: | gnome42: do I need to grab the seektable while in progress or not? |
| [17:53:37] | gnome42: | the seektable will stay around as long as the livetv file doesn't get expired. |
| [17:53:58] | elmojo: | k |
| [17:55:11] | gnome42: | I often just use phpmyadmin to look at the seektable (using sorting options etc.) |
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| [17:55:37] | elmojo: | gnome42: I generally use phpmyadmin also |
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| [17:56:31] | gnome42: | once done with the livetv recording you could also move it out of the "LiveTV" group so it doesn't get expired. |
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| [18:03:50] | elmojo: | gnome42: I tried to play that LiveTV recording back and got audio and a blank screen with FFmpeg complaining about Missing picture start code |
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| [18:07:42] | gnome42: | hmm, there are recent avformatdecoder and seek related commits. Probably best if we can narrow it down to a particular changeset. |
| [18:10:03] | wagnerrp: | is there any way to get screen to pick up from an existing terminal? |
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| [18:16:12] | elmojo: | gnome42: there are still some ivtv recordings that don't playback properly and they are also broke with the latest FFmpeg code too |
| [18:16:20] | elmojo: | so probably not much we can do about it |
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| [18:19:09] | gnome42: | oh? So not a regression? |
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| [18:22:58] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: you mean attach screen to a running shell? |
| [18:29:12] | Hoxzer: | :O just curious if anybody has installed Mythtv frontend on N770-N810 (maemo) platform ? |
| [18:29:39] | elmojo: | gnome42: it's a side issue not related to seeking |
| [18:29:44] | CShadowRun: | Is there any reason why you can't multi seat mythtv? So just have a backend in the basement and run S-Video cables up to the various tv's |
| [18:29:52] | CShadowRun: | then theres no reason to have frontends at all :p |
| [18:30:00] | CShadowRun: | and if you use nvidia cards with vdpau it shouldnt' tax the CPU at all |
| [18:31:28] | GreyFoxx: | I don't expect anyone to know ... but ... anyone know what kallsyms_lookup_name replacement is in current kernels? |
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| [18:34:38] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx: I thought they removed all those exported symbols, saying modules should do it internally now |
| [18:35:33] | kormoc: | or just export everything you need |
| [18:35:42] | GreyFoxx: | which is fine until you are trying to lookup a symbol from the kernel not from yourself |
| [18:35:56] | GreyFoxx: | I use to do kallsyms_lookup_name("do_execve") in a piece of code |
| [18:35:59] | GreyFoxx: | which of course fails to compile now |
| [18:36:11] | kormoc: | Yeah, afaik they removed all ability to do that |
| [18:36:25] | GreyFoxx: | in a few places I see reference to a "better way of doing things" with no examples at all of anyone doing it |
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| [18:36:43] | kormoc: | I believe it was due to non-gpl code hooking into non-exported symbols via that interface, so they just removed the ability |
| [18:38:18] | GreyFoxx: | bah |
| [18:38:27] | GreyFoxx: | puritan bastards |
| [18:39:49] | GreyFoxx: | Well since this is a closed system and app *repatchs kernel to allow the export* |
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| [18:57:44] | Humphrey_: | wow, lots of people |
| [18:57:47] | Humphrey_: | hey all |
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| [19:03:58] | ** justinh throws a tumbleweed out & watches it roll down the street ** | |
| [19:06:03] | ** Scopeuk lights said tumbleweed ** | |
| [19:06:05] | Humphrey_: | hey can i ask a quick question? |
| [19:06:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Just ask. |
| [19:06:42] | Humphrey_: | i have a pctv 801se usb tuner, will myth work with it in ubuntu? |
| [19:07:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humphrey_: Check the wiki at linuxtv.org – if it works in Linux, it will work in Myth. |
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| [19:07:48] | Humphrey_: | will give it a shot |
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| [19:08:11] | justinh: | thanks! |
| [19:08:33] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs. ** | |
| [19:09:06] | iamlindoro: | Oh now come on, you know its our job to tirelessly and complaintlessly answer questions |
| [19:09:19] | iamlindoro: | it's not KOMMUNITEH if you aren't at every user's beck and call |
| [19:09:32] | iamlindoro: | Yay, settings rippy outy! |
| [19:09:41] | iamlindoro: | two more gone, and no, I don't feel guilty |
| [19:09:53] | justinh: | here's one.. can I set mythtvbackend play using mythweb |
| [19:10:00] | justinh: | W T F |
| [19:10:35] | Scopeuk: | surely in a users channel one expects every so often someone who could be outwitted by a potato will turn up |
| [19:11:35] | justinh: | saying he wants to control playback via mythweb cos unplugging his Sky+ box upsets the WAF. Ruh? Forums are incredibly stupid |
| [19:11:52] | justinh: | and this from a Brit too. Jesus |
| [19:12:07] | wagnerrp: | CShadowRun: its an issue of the difficulty of setting up a multi-seat linux box, and managing independent inputs |
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| [19:12:26] | gbee: | justinh: what, he's trying to use the same remote for both? |
| [19:12:32] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, i see |
| [19:12:44] | wagnerrp: | you could do it with the video, if youve got enough decoding power on the backend |
| [19:12:44] | justinh: | gbee: I dunno. the thread is very light on info |
| [19:12:54] | wagnerrp: | but you still have to figure out how to control them independently |
| [19:13:08] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, diffrent IR recievers and remotes/keyboards i guess |
| [19:13:10] | gbee: | CShadowRun: not to mention having to run 3–4x as much cabling around the house instead of a 1x Cat-5/6 |
| [19:13:10] | justinh: | CShadowRun: might be cheaper in terms of your time to just buy more frontends :P |
| [19:13:27] | CShadowRun: | i'm poor :< |
| [19:13:29] | justinh: | since most people consider their time to be quite costly :) |
| [19:13:30] | wagnerrp: | if you run multiple x-servers, one per card, and you use keyboards and keyboard emulating remotes, you could bind them one per screen |
| [19:13:37] | justinh: | so do without so many frontends |
| [19:13:37] | CShadowRun: | hehe |
| [19:13:39] | gbee: | you've got the video, audio and IR to start with |
| [19:13:53] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, yea thats what i was thinking |
| [19:14:01] | wagnerrp: | otherwise you would have to buy remotes that use different lirc drivers, so you can differentiate them |
| [19:14:10] | wagnerrp: | then you still have to worry about audio output |
| [19:14:16] | justinh: | good luck separating all that out |
| [19:14:20] | CShadowRun: | oh god audio output |
| [19:14:21] | justinh: | shudder |
| [19:14:23] | CShadowRun: | i didn't think of that |
| [19:14:28] | gbee: | and video signals degrade over distance, I'm not sure what the limit is for an s-video cable but .... |
| [19:14:30] | CShadowRun: | shudder indeed, i'm scrubbing that idea |
| [19:14:35] | CShadowRun: | lol |
| [19:14:36] | justinh: | you'll have to become a udev expert :D |
| [19:14:39] | wagnerrp: | HDMI would make that a bit easier |
| [19:14:39] | justinh: | muhahahahaha |
| [19:14:43] | CShadowRun: | noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| [19:14:46] | ** CShadowRun jumps out window ** | |
| [19:14:46] | wagnerrp: | but then youre back to one output per video card |
| [19:14:54] | wagnerrp: | and one X server per output |
| [19:14:58] | gbee: | and S-Video means no HD |
| [19:15:01] | CShadowRun: | hehe |
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| [19:15:13] | justinh: | gbee: I happily sent stereo audio & svideo over cat5 with modules I built myself. quality was nice |
| [19:15:13] | CShadowRun: | can you get cards with hdmi out? |
| [19:15:18] | justinh: | duh yeh |
| [19:15:27] | CShadowRun: | cool :) |
| [19:15:33] | gbee: | justinh: heh |
| [19:15:37] | justinh: | but how many TVs with HDMI do you need? |
| [19:16:18] | justinh: | gbee: up to 500 lines over a whole 305 metre reel of cat5 :) |
| [19:16:29] | wagnerrp: | CShadowRun: basically... the end result is that after hardware (and more importantly time) costs, it will be cheaper to just spend $150-$200 per TV for dedicated frontends |
| [19:16:37] | CShadowRun: | just one to start with but in future maybe alot more, leaving room for expansion |
| [19:16:54] | CShadowRun: | i mean, i live in a 6 bedroom house, so the skies the limit really :P |
| [19:16:59] | justinh: | maybe one day those DLNA thingies won't be quite so sucky |
| [19:17:00] | wagnerrp: | if youve got that many TVs you want to power |
| [19:17:20] | wagnerrp: | you can afford $200 per tv to put a frontend next to each |
| [19:17:27] | CShadowRun: | yea true |
| [19:17:31] | justinh: | I bloody well hope so anyway. I mean who wants to *have* to have a PC at every teevee |
| [19:18:16] | CShadowRun: | speaking of frontends, i think i found something fun for them |
| [19:18:20] | wagnerrp: | justinh: when $200 gets you a fairly nice pc, relatively quiet, and can be put into standby when not in use, why not? |
| [19:18:47] | justinh: | wagnerrp: $200 doesn't buy you HD capable though. not here |
| [19:18:51] | CShadowRun: | fanless 1.6ghz atom with ion, 9400M graphics, apparently 30% cpu with mplayer @ 1080p |
| [19:18:56] | iamlindoro: | Speaking of DLNA TVs, I was thinking about buying a new one today, until stupid work decided to pay us tomorrow instead... |
| [19:19:00] | CShadowRun: | it does with those fanless boxes :D |
| [19:19:01] | wagnerrp: | justinh: it does over here |
| [19:19:22] | justinh: | still not pinning my money on viddypow |
| [19:19:26] | gbee: | justinh: impressive, well relatively ;) |
| [19:19:39] | wagnerrp: | im talking about full software decoding |
| [19:19:44] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [19:20:15] | justinh: | last time I priced something up it came out at least on the £300 mark, without case and PSU |
| [19:20:28] | gbee: | wagnerrp: with ION? |
| [19:20:28] | gbee: | err, Atom? |
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| [19:20:31] | CShadowRun: | ouch :P |
| [19:20:33] | gbee: | oh wait, you mean MPEG-2 |
| [19:20:49] | CShadowRun: | justinh, what's wrong with viddypow? :( |
| [19:21:17] | justinh: | CShadowRun: not necessarily the great panacea. I'll wait til the results are in |
| [19:21:21] | cheeseboy: | lol |
| [19:21:30] | cheeseboy: | mythtv is having spasm |
| [19:21:39] | cheeseboy: | keeps playing same few frames |
| [19:21:48] | justinh: | OOM |
| [19:21:49] | CShadowRun: | justinh, the results are in? 30% CPU at 1080p |
| [19:21:54] | CShadowRun: | on a single core atom |
| [19:22:10] | justinh: | CShadowRun: I mean playback performance. how it copes with *real* *life* |
| [19:22:27] | justinh: | not hooky mkvs from the internet. not bluray |
| [19:22:28] | wagnerrp: | gbee: im talking about a normal dual core AMD x2 |
| [19:23:06] | justinh: | broadcast h.264 is where HD will be from in here primarily |
| [19:23:17] | justinh: | here meaning my house |
| [19:23:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but i thought BBC was halving their bitrate |
| [19:23:31] | justinh: | upped the complexity |
| [19:23:42] | justinh: | they already halved it |
| [19:23:47] | wagnerrp: | and besides, once the ffmpeg-mt stuff goes through, a high end dual core should manage just fine |
| [19:23:59] | justinh: | yeah yeah yeah once it goes through |
| [19:24:03] | iamlindoro: | hell, mid end |
| [19:24:07] | justinh: | when the man in the moon smiles down on us all |
| [19:24:10] | gbee: | wagnerrp: sorry, I thought you were the one who mentioned the Atom/ION frontend – IRC client colour codes nicknames but with a limited palette both you and CShadowRun come out as the same brown |
| [19:24:22] | gbee: | iamlindoro too ... it's a little annoying actually |
| [19:24:30] | CShadowRun: | hehe |
| [19:24:34] | ** iamlindoro just works here ** | |
| [19:24:35] | justinh: | irssi ftw :) |
| [19:24:44] | gbee: | justinh is purple |
| [19:24:51] | justinh: | heh |
| [19:24:59] | justinh: | makes a change from fuming red |
| [19:25:07] | gbee: | and I don't mean in IRC, you should meet him in person :P |
| [19:25:13] | justinh: | anyway, I'm so not sold on HD yet, so it's all moot |
| [19:25:26] | CShadowRun: | justinh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoRTlqjkpxU |
| [19:25:33] | justinh: | show me the narrative |
| [19:25:59] | gbee: | every time I watch another BBC Natural History unit documentary in HD I'm sold all over again ... and that's with a 720 TV |
| [19:26:34] | justinh: | CShadowRun: I don't give a F*** about demo videos or stupid users saying "whee 0% CPU!". I need to know how it will cope with REAL ACTUAL BROADCAST h.264 HDTV |
| [19:26:41] | gbee: | but really it's only those documentaries that do anything for me, drama/film – I hardly notice |
| [19:26:51] | CShadowRun: | justinh, :P |
| [19:26:55] | gbee: | and I don't watch sport |
| [19:27:05] | justinh: | if it craps its pants so badly it needs to be rebooted at the first sneeze of a glitch, no dice |
| [19:27:21] | justinh: | if it's no worse than a STB would cope.. fair dues :) |
| [19:27:27] | iamlindoro: | as of last report, we were still seeing those, too |
| [19:27:39] | justinh: | and for me to find out either way for real I need to invest in the stuff |
| [19:28:28] | justinh: | like I said though, I watch teevees for the narrative, not how shiny & detailed (or not) everything is. God I'm old |
| [19:28:30] | gbee: | actually the BBC HD output, at least most of it looks a lot better than some of the US import HD, but the same is also true of some ITV HD content which is so grainy that you have to wonder if it would look better in SD! |
| [19:29:07] | justinh: | people rattle on about how thin HDTV sets are.. I couldn't care less – got loads of room behind the teevee |
| [19:29:33] | justinh: | and my fireplace is way too high to mount a TV above it.. which I know doesn't stop some people |
| [19:30:03] | justinh: | and anyway, sod hdtv.. the new fad is threedee! |
| [19:30:23] | gbee: | seems most HD TV cameras have real problems with indoor light levels producing grainy images, which is really disappointing |
| [19:30:39] | justinh: | something tells me they didn't quite think this one through.. or infact any of it |
| [19:30:46] | iamlindoro: | We need to find some mediawiki super guru to customize our wiki templates |
| [19:30:55] | iamlindoro: | The stock mediawiki stuff is so pedestrian |
| [19:31:00] | gbee: | HD I get, 3D – wtf?? |
| [19:31:12] | justinh: | gbee: all about box shifting |
| [19:31:27] | jduggan: | ive not watched must HD content yet, ive about 20hours of BBCHD content backed up waiting to watch, but i cant get a modeline working with an intel gpu heh... worked almost ootb with my NVIDIA card |
| [19:31:31] | jduggan: | s/must/much/ |
| [19:31:56] | jduggan: | what i have watched was that volcano documentary |
| [19:32:04] | gbee: | justinh: oh I know why the manufacturers are interested and why Sky are wetting themselves, but who's actually buying into it? |
| [19:32:04] | jduggan: | and it sold HD to me ;P |
| [19:32:20] | Scopeuk: | i could see 3d being eventaulyl adapted for gaiming once its cheap enough but for tv in the most part i dont see the point the odd one or two it works for go to the cinema |
| [19:32:44] | justinh: | I can't see 3d actually adding much to the experience |
| [19:32:45] | laga: | Scopeuk: how can you see the point if you can't even spell? :P |
| [19:33:01] | justinh: | other than the deliberate 'wooo it's comin at ya!' crap they do |
| [19:33:11] | justinh: | once you get over that.. Zzzzzzzzzzzz |
| [19:33:13] | gbee: | jduggan: the sight of a basaltic eruption at night is stunning in HD |
| [19:33:14] | Scopeuk: | justinh exactly |
| [19:33:27] | justinh: | I hope it won't last |
| [19:33:45] | Scopeuk: | laga i appologise i get into a conversation and the standard of my typing slips |
| [19:33:51] | justinh: | I mean take it to its ultimate extension & even where you sit will have a bearing on what you see (or not) :P |
| [19:34:22] | Scopeuk: | yes which is a nightmare from a cinematic perspective but for gaming would be the holy grail |
| [19:34:46] | justinh: | not willing to spend £600 for what essentially might turn out to be a few nights of oohs & ahhs :P |
| [19:34:51] | gbee: | justinh: I can't see it adding anything, especially when it's not really 3D, you can't reach into the image it just looks like a series of 2D images set a various distances out from the screen, even Southpark manages more convincing 3D |
| [19:35:13] | ExElNeT_: | do the commercials get removed when i enable transcoding after flagging? |
| [19:35:37] | justinh: | I can see the deal about it looking better on big screens though. that I do buy into |
| [19:35:40] | justinh: | ExElNeT_: nope |
| [19:36:08] | justinh: | ExElNeT_: since commflagging is absolutely faultless 100% of the time.. oh wait.. |
| [19:36:24] | cheeseboy: | why cant i watch anything above chnnel 13? |
| [19:36:36] | justinh: | cheeseboy: parental controls. ask your dad |
| [19:36:42] | cheeseboy: | uh no |
| [19:36:49] | cheeseboy: | mythtvs fault |
| [19:36:50] | ExElNeT_: | justinh: well will the transcoded recordings still skip the flagged commercials? |
| [19:37:08] | justinh: | ExElNeT_: nope |
| [19:37:20] | cheeseboy: | so what would cause this? |
| [19:37:26] | justinh: | if you wanna do automagical commercial removal you must consult the mythtv wiki |
| [19:37:52] | justinh: | but I always ask the question wtf you wanna be transcoding disposable content for :) |
| [19:38:00] | ExElNeT_: | justinh: well at least the flags should be still available... ;/ |
| [19:38:04] | ExElNeT_: | justinh: will do |
| [19:38:10] | sphery: | cheeseboy: not mythtv's fault... likely your capture card driver/configuration's fault |
| [19:38:15] | cheeseboy: | tv freezes after channel 13 |
| [19:38:18] | sphery: | cheeseboy: i.e. you've specified the wrong frequency table |
| [19:38:28] | sphery: | or you've only got VHF signals |
| [19:38:43] | sphery: | or you've loaded the tuner module with the wrong settings |
| [19:38:50] | sphery: | or ... |
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| [19:41:13] | justinh: | time for a trawl through the programme finder & search I think |
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| [19:48:11] | iamlindoro: | "libmyth-0.22.dll fails STILL to build (why was this closed? Was it tested?)" |
| [19:48:20] | iamlindoro: | Well there's a courteous ticket subject |
| [19:49:43] | laga: | status:closed resolution:effYou |
| [19:50:06] | iamlindoro: | trying to get in to edit it, but predictably, trac has keeled |
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| [19:51:07] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stoffel | |
| [19:53:06] | sphery: | iamlindoro: did I give you permission--either implicitly or explicitly--to close this ticket? ;) |
| [19:53:25] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [19:53:36] | iamlindoro: | was only planning to edit the subject to something less imflammatory |
| [19:54:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | Wait, did iamlindoro just say "less imflammatory"? Wow, he HAS changed... hehehehehe |
| [19:55:08] | AndrewNC: | I might use Fear&Loathing quotes in my ticket subjects fromw now on "SIR, you cant park here!" |
| [19:55:18] | iamlindoro: | s/imflammatory/inflammatory/ |
| [19:55:30] | wagnerrp: | 'had to close ticket, were in bat country' |
| [19:55:37] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, it's only OK when I do it. |
| [19:55:48] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs. ;-) ** | |
| [19:56:07] | AndrewNC: | if you think that is inflamatory, you should see some of the ticket subjects where I work (fortune 100 company) |
| [19:56:19] | AndrewNC: | they will all but accuse you of killing babies |
| [19:56:32] | iamlindoro: | If you think your work tickets are inflammatory, you should see the responses I type and delete |
| [19:56:47] | AndrewNC: | "this change broke our system, you are a dishonor to your ancestors!!" |
| [19:57:44] | justinh: | heh. our ceo reads all our tickets at work |
| [19:57:52] | AndrewNC: | I tell them their system is weak and feeble, unable to adjust to our mighty changes |
| [19:57:59] | justinh: | got them on RSS to his phone |
| [19:58:08] | AndrewNC: | hahah, nice! |
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| [19:58:33] | justinh: | been known to phone people at 2am asking wtf they thought they were doing |
| [19:58:37] | AndrewNC: | if I suggested that at an all-hands meeting, my tires would be slashed within the hour |
| [19:58:49] | wagnerrp: | anyone ever used supermicro backplanes? |
| [19:58:55] | justinh: | but then, he is a c*** |
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| [20:00:28] | justinh: | wtf? daily show audio is out of phase |
| [20:00:52] | justinh: | mono, with left & right out of phase |
| [20:00:55] | justinh: | ffs |
| [20:01:31] | Scopeuk: | someones a moron |
| [20:02:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I have two 5–3.5" in 3x5.25" bay units – not sure if they're SuperMicro or not... |
| [20:03:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: ^^ is that what you're asking about? |
| [20:03:59] | wagnerrp: | im asking about supermicro in particular |
| [20:04:13] | Josh_Borke: | i have used supermicro backplanes in servers at work |
| [20:04:23] | wagnerrp: | what does blinking red light mean? |
| [20:04:47] | Josh_Borke: | i've had it bean both bad disk or activity :X |
| [20:04:53] | Josh_Borke: | s/bean/mean/ |
| [20:04:54] | wagnerrp: | that generally the universal signal for 'bad juju' |
| [20:05:05] | wagnerrp: | green light is activity |
| [20:05:17] | Josh_Borke: | then i believe you to have bad juju |
| [20:05:19] | wagnerrp: | im just trying to set up a couple workstations to support hotswappable drives |
| [20:05:28] | wagnerrp: | i shove the drive in, it starts blinking |
| [20:05:41] | Josh_Borke: | are you sure the mobo supports hot-swap? |
| [20:05:46] | wagnerrp: | i can otherwise use the drive as normal, mount, use, write, unmount, eject |
| [20:06:00] | Josh_Borke: | odd. i dunno |
| [20:06:04] | wagnerrp: | yes, hotswapping works fine, it just has a blinking light |
| [20:06:16] | wagnerrp: | i tried booting up with the drive install... still that blinking light |
| [20:06:28] | wagnerrp: | i checked SMART data, and it reports no complaints |
| [20:06:49] | wagnerrp: | so ive got a blinking light, and no reason for said blinking light |
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| [20:08:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: On our mainframes, we can issue a 'blink' command to find a component/controller/drive... you (or someonee else) didn't happen to activate that feature, did they? |
| [20:08:36] | CyberKnet: | good grief. I just spent 10 minutes googling t o try to figure out what ViddyPow was... come to find out it's just a joke in this chat room about how to pronounce VDPAU? egads. |
| [20:08:37] | wagnerrp: | it should all be stock settings |
| [20:08:51] | wagnerrp: | CyberKnet: you couldnt have just asked? |
| [20:08:54] | CyberKnet: | I thought it might have been some now hardware all-in-one or something. |
| [20:09:03] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: He who asks without googling... ;) |
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| [20:10:09] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: Although I ask (more than) my fair share of stupid questions, I try not to ask things that could be answered by a simple google search. (ten minutes might have been over-exaggerated slightly) |
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| [20:12:46] | gbee: | I was tempted to make up a word just to send you on a wild goose chase ;) |
| [20:12:58] | CyberKnet: | heh |
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| [20:13:20] | iamlindoro: | Guys, I totally got that new 1GB Bamboozlotron |
| [20:13:36] | iamlindoro: | It's awesome, major Myth game changer |
| [20:13:54] | kormoc: | Is it gorkable? |
| [20:14:10] | wagnerrp: | well gork you too |
| [20:14:10] | tmkt: | yes |
| [20:14:21] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, semi-gorkable |
| [20:14:41] | ** CyberKnet coughs ** | |
| [20:14:46] | CyberKnet: | I hate you guys. So very much. |
| [20:14:48] | CyberKnet: | :P |
| [20:14:53] | iamlindoro: | easy, Cartman |
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| [20:15:14] | wagnerrp: | cartman would have taken his hatred, and gone home |
| [20:15:16] | CyberKnet: | At least the reference was clear :) |
| [20:15:28] | CyberKnet: | Or restarted the civil war, in this case. |
| [20:15:38] | tmkt: | lirc issues all fixed |
| [20:15:49] | tmkt: | J-rod got it all solved |
| [20:15:57] | CyberKnet: | j-rod FTW |
| [20:16:19] | wagnerrp: | looks like qt4.6 beta is available |
| [20:17:23] | iamlindoro: | Good, I want my QAnimation |
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| [20:18:13] | tmkt: | J-rod rocks |
| [20:18:24] | kormoc: | As does Cleveland |
| [20:18:56] | CyberKnet: | All the pretty chicks with the crimson lips say so. |
| [20:19:51] | j-rod: | in short, the i2c device binding model changed significantly in 2.6.31 |
| [20:20:02] | AndrewNC: | Is mythui built ontop of QGraphicsLayout ? |
| [20:20:03] | j-rod: | and some drivers didn't get updated soon enough |
| [20:20:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Gee, my hotswap racks *are* supermicro... http://microcenter.com/single_product_results . . . t_id=0306221 |
| [20:20:45] | j-rod: | so for example, cx18 doesn't properly advertise itself as an i2c device that lirc_i2c can connect to |
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| [20:20:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: but alas, not a backplane like you were asking about... |
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| [20:21:18] | wagnerrp: | thats not a backplane? |
| [20:21:19] | j-rod: | v4l-dvb tip works though, and I'll ping andy walls about pushing a stable update |
| [20:21:25] | wagnerrp: | looks like one to me |
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| [20:22:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Well, it's not a 'common' backplane – each drive has a seperate sata port on the back, unlike what I would think of as a 'backplane', like for scsi, with one connector and a common bus. |
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| [20:22:50] | wagnerrp: | so you mean its not a multilane backplane (since ML cables only support 4 channels) or a port expander |
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| [20:24:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: yeah, it's just a 5-bay 3.5" hot-swap slots, with 'passthru' connections for each drive's sata connection to 5 seperate sata ports on the back of it. |
| [20:24:49] | wagnerrp: | this is just a 4-bay passthrough backplane |
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| [20:28:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: humm.. looking at the more detailed pics on newegg, I don't have the supermicro after all – mine is an "Athena"... This is actually what I have 2 of... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817995001 – basically functionally identical to the sueprmicro one though. |
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| [20:28:40] | wagnerrp: | yeah, ive got four of the 3-in-2 version of that at home |
| [20:31:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: These are "OK", but have a few design flaws IMHO... 1) The 'lock' latch doesn't always work... 2) The Power switches and Activity LEDs are not lined up with each drive... 3) the Power LED doubles as an activity LED, and the RED led isn't lined up properly on half the drives to see it well... |
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| [20:33:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but they were half the price of the next closest backplane |
| [20:33:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Since those things don't effect the actual usage (basically just annoyances), I kept them... The drive stay cool, and nothing wrong 'physically' with them, just cosmetic really. |
| [20:33:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | yep. |
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| [20:34:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Hehe... my backend only has 6 5.25" slots, so I had to put my DVD-RW in an external firewire enclosure... ;-) |
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| [20:35:01] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [20:35:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Because the two of these took up all 6 5.25" slots. ;-) |
| [20:35:34] | wagnerrp: | why need a optical drive at all? |
| [20:36:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: To rip DVDs and/or archive recordings. |
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| [20:37:03] | wagnerrp: | but thats done on the frontend |
| [20:37:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I do the ripping on the backend, and archiving on either. |
| [20:38:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/HDDs.jpg |
| [20:40:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | And of those 10 slots, only 8 are occupied as I'm out of SATA ports. (6 on-board, 2 on a pcie card) – I would have more defined, but my stupid bios doesn't handle > 8 drives (screws up the boot order, only one of the first 8 drives detected can be booted off... yuck) |
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| [20:40:17] | ** CyberKnet wants one of these for his hard drives: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811165163 ** | |
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| [20:42:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: By the looks of it, it's just 2 4-bay hot-swap racks in a case with a power supply... you still need a raid controller... |
| [20:42:44] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: Yes, still need a raid card |
| [20:43:03] | CyberKnet: | thinking about the ARC-1300IX or the ARC-1680X ... depending on the feature set needed |
| [20:43:29] | CyberKnet: | Still deliberating if I would want to RAID those or not. |
| [20:43:46] | CyberKnet: | Then it's just a matter of finding the money to buy the whole mess. :D |
| [20:45:29] | justinh: | heh DS audio was ok again. weird |
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| [20:48:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: I ran a software-raid5 on my 6x500GB drives for a year or so, but after a dual-hdd failure, switched to individual drives with storage groups instead. |
| [20:49:40] | tbone: | hmm, so karmic wrongly remove mysql about a week ago and i am going to fix my setup today . Question 1, So if it removed the package did it also remove the data. |
| [20:50:42] | kormoc: | depends on the package removal setup |
| [20:50:43] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: Yes, there is definitely risk with RAID5 if you lose more than one drive. |
| [20:50:46] | tbone: | like will all the stuff in the database still be there or is it wiped, or do i need to check some file. |
| [20:51:03] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: You had two drives go bad simultaneously though? |
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| [20:51:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: ... and I like the SG's better anways, faster than software Raid5, and much less wear & tear on the drives, and I gained 500GB of storage space. ;-) (It's only TV!!!) |
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| [20:51:51] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: I tried the "only tv" thing. Didn't get past the "you lost all my tv?" |
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| [20:52:33] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: I figured odds on two drives going bad at the same time were probably not too likely (my drives weren't all purchased at the same time) |
| [20:52:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: yeah, one had the "click of death" – So I checked the array, and sure enough, one drive was failed, but everything else was healthy. good, so I shutdown the box to swap out the drive. *whammo* – a 2nd drive just decided to quit – ie, spins up, but wasn't recognized by the bios, etc... yuck... 2.5TB of recordings gone... :-( |
| [20:52:56] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: wow. that bites. |
| [20:53:08] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: Hot swap would have been nice there. |
| [20:53:09] | kormoc: | CyberKnet: I had my server with a pair of mirrored drives for the os and 3 drives raid-5 for the data, over about 45 minutes, I received a page that one of the mirror drives failed, my hot spare went into action rebuilding the mirror, then I received an email saying I lost a drive in my raid-5, then I received a email saying my mirror finished building, and then I received an email saying the other mirror drive failed. talk about bad timing |
| [20:53:11] | tbone: | is there a specific data file mysql uses with mythtv? |
| [20:53:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: yeah, but with individual drives and storage groups (not raid 0 or LVM), you would only lose the recordings on that *one* drive, or *two* drives that failed, not the whole array or LVM... |
| [20:53:50] | kormoc: | tbone: mysql stores it's data typically in /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg or similar |
| [20:54:10] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: Never bought into JBOD / LVM, personally. |
| [20:54:19] | tbone: | kormoc: can you view the contents of the database somehow? |
| [20:54:37] | kormoc: | tbone: not without mysql |
| [20:55:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: My current system has 2 'system' drives – mirrored [in hardware] 200GB system & os, and 6 'video' drives – all seperate – 'sdc' through 'sdh' |
| [20:55:38] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: Right now I have 4x250gb in hardware raid 5, plus an emergency extension 250gb as a different SG. |
| [20:55:56] | CyberKnet: | the emergency extension is on the OS drive. |
| [20:56:05] | CyberKnet: | (not mirrored) |
| [20:56:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: Do you have your DB on the same disk as your videos? |
| [20:56:19] | tbone: | kormoc: ok, so basically i reinstall the mysql. Then i can check the contents of mythconverg |
| [20:56:25] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: it's on the emergency extension disk |
| [20:56:35] | CyberKnet: | otherwise known as sda |
| [20:56:40] | kormoc: | tbone: aye, the data will be there or it won't, there's nothing really inbetween |
| [20:56:54] | tbone: | kormoc: i can look up the details, thanks |
| [20:56:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: Ok. ;-) |
| [20:57:17] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: I back up the mysql database to DVD-RW every night via cron. |
| [20:58:08] | CyberKnet: | which actually copies the tarball to the raid array first, as well |
| [20:58:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: yeah, my OS/DB disk is sda/sdb, hardware mirrored, and my video drives are sdc/d/e/f/g/h – all are 500GB except for one that I replaced with a 1TB drive a few months ago as it started to develop bad sectors. |
| [20:58:46] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: That is the one appealing aspect of not using RAID – not having to have matched drive sizes |
| [20:59:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: I like Storage Groups... and I noticed the frontends were MUCH more responsive when i switched from a software raid5 to storage groups. (YMMV!) |
| [20:59:41] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: The not-losing-all-your-data-when-two-drives-fail thing too... but that also has the side effect of no protection for any of your drives. |
| [21:00:16] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: I've lately started considering that the expensive 3-ware 9500S-4LP I bought all those years back is not the panacea I thought it was. |
| [21:00:42] | CyberKnet: | Next RAID card will be Areca |
| [21:00:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: yeah... but then again, you could mirror a pair of drives, and put all the 'important' stuff on that, or run a smaller raid for the 'really important' stuff, and keep the disposable stuff on the 'regular' disks... ;-) |
| [21:01:08] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: 'disposable' tv? You haven't met my wife ;) |
| [21:01:28] | CyberKnet: | Although truth be told, she might consider my Dirty Jobs and How It's Made recordings disposable. heh. |
| [21:01:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: Teach her how to use MythArchive... ;-) |
| [21:01:38] | CyberKnet: | MythArchive has yet to ever work for me. |
| [21:01:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^^ good shows! |
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| [21:02:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: Let's see... Dirty Jobs – 12 Episodes — How it's Made – 32 Episodes... ;-) hehehehe |
| [21:02:52] | CyberKnet: | heh heh |
| [21:03:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | Monk: 118 episodes ;-) hehehehehehe |
| [21:03:12] | CyberKnet: | Also like Deadliest Catch, and I wish I received Build It Bigger on a channel I could record. |
| [21:03:49] | CyberKnet: | If I bought a HDPVR then I could ... but money isn't falling out of my pockets (thus I have not bought that raid setup yet!) |
| [21:04:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ooh, must have been a Burn Notice marathon recently — 55 Episodes ... ;-) |
| [21:04:42] | CyberKnet: | Oooh, and MythBusters too |
| [21:05:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: Only 6 of those right now... ;-) |
| [21:06:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: There's folks with lots more here, but here's what I have right now... ;-) 1217 programs, using 3.4 TB (1 month 20 days 9 hrs 55 mins) out of 2.9 TB (121 GB free). |
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| [21:06:25] | CyberKnet: | using 3.4TB out of 2.9TB? |
| [21:06:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: Yeah, I just saw that too. ;-) I guess mythweb doesn't know I swapped out one of the 500's for a 1TB drive... ;-) |
| [21:07:15] | CyberKnet: | heh |
| [21:07:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: This is my 'prod' system – still 0.21-fixes, maybe it's fixed in our up-and-coming 0.22. ;-) |
| [21:09:09] | CyberKnet: | You know, 0.22 came out last tuesday :P |
| [21:09:22] | Dagmar: | WHAT? |
| [21:09:27] | CyberKnet: | hah. |
| [21:09:34] | Dagmar: | Dude, don't mess with me like thta |
| [21:09:35] | Dagmar: | heheh |
| [21:09:40] | CyberKnet: | fun. |
| [21:10:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: Um... RC1 was released – but not the 'real deal' yet. ;-) I plan on swapping my Trunk box to 0.22-RC1 tonight. |
| [21:10:42] | CyberKnet: | I'll wait until it gets into the mythbuntu repos :) |
| [21:10:47] | CyberKnet: | for 9.04 |
| [21:11:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... isn't it already there?!? (At least they 'call' it 0.22.... causes lots of confusion here... |
| [21:12:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: Shouldn't be too long of a wait for the 'real deal' anyways. ;-) |
| [21:12:35] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: Need to randomly spout that 0.22 is announced on mythtv.org ;) |
| [21:12:36] | ** J-e-f-f-A hasn't run a repo distribution for about 3 years now... ;-) ** | |
| [21:13:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: Not me... I know better. ;-) |
| [21:13:52] | oobe: | CyberKnet, it is in the mythbuntu daily builds repo |
| [21:15:48] | OmniCitadel: | ok so I have comcast for dsl and am trying to stream a recording... it works for about 3 seconds and then hangs... I think its due to upload throttleing and am looking for some personal views, should a 6meg/bit connnection be dealing with this issue? I don't think so personally... |
| [21:16:09] | OmniCitadel: | correction its not dsl... |
| [21:16:46] | iamlindoro: | consumer broadband connections are almost never symmetric |
| [21:17:03] | iamlindoro: | you get 6 Mbit *downstream*, you get something stupid like 512KBit up |
| [21:17:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | OmniCitadel: If you're trying to stream something from MythTV, your download speed has nothing to do with your upload speed. |
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| [21:18:01] | iamlindoro: | so if you are trying to stream an untranscoded recording (using the ASX or direct download link) there is virtually no change your consumer broadband is fast enough |
| [21:19:11] | OmniCitadel: | J-e-f-f-A: Comcast is known for hate when it comes to uploads dealing with port 80 or torrents so I can only assume it its all uploading |
| [21:19:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | OmniCitadel: ^^ yea, I have FiOS, and my link is 15Mbps down, 2Mbps up. BIG difference... |
| [21:19:43] | iamlindoro: | Again, it's not "throttling" per se, you likely just don't have near enough upstream bandwidth to stream directly |
| [21:19:55] | OmniCitadel: | iamlindoro: do you think it could be an issue with my myth ??? |
| [21:20:05] | iamlindoro: | ... are you kidding me? |
| [21:20:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | OmniCitadel: As iamlindoro says – how are you trying to stream it? With the Flash player, or 'direct download' or 'asx steram'? |
| [21:20:13] | iamlindoro: | I am *telling* you what the issue likely is |
| [21:20:28] | OmniCitadel: | I am going to launch a dslreport scan i will post results ina min or two |
| [21:20:46] | OmniCitadel: | J-e-f-f-A: ASX |
| [21:21:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | OmniCitadel: There's no way you'll be able to stream it.. that's the raw non-transcoded file. |
| [21:21:33] | ** iamlindoro bashes his head against the keyboard ** | |
| [21:21:43] | iamlindoro: | this has got to be some sort of English as a Second Language issue |
| [21:21:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | OmniCitadel: Try the Flash player – that transcodes it down to a bitrate that's 'web friendly'... |
| [21:22:14] | OmniCitadel: | J-e-f-f-A: how would i do that? |
| [21:23:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | OmniCitadel: In 0.21-fixes, you have to enable it in the mythweb screens... If it's trunk or 0.22-RC1, I don't have a system in front of me to tell you. |
| [21:23:08] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Right, so drill down to figure out what bit he's misunderstaning |
| [21:23:32] | iamlindoro: | Think I'll just eat my popcorn instead |
| [21:23:34] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A: it's the same with trunk |
| [21:23:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: hehe... ok. ;-) |
| [21:23:49] | Dagmar: | i.e., "insult the person by implying that they don't know something" in more imflammatory terms |
| [21:24:27] | Dagmar: | ASX doesn't necessarily "stream" |
| [21:24:34] | Dagmar: | It's just shipping the file out. |
| [21:24:48] | Dagmar: | wmplayer tends to refuse to do anything about the file until it's got the whole thing. |
| [21:24:51] | kormoc: | meh, we support partial transfers now, so you can jump about in it just fine |
| [21:25:04] | Dagmar: | Oh that's been made to work now? Cool. |
| [21:25:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | OmniCitadel: So, bring up Mythweb, click on the Wrenches to reach the Settings pages, then... |
| [21:25:06] | kormoc: | (-trunk/0.22+ only) |
| [21:25:10] | Dagmar: | I've so gotta get trunk |
| [21:25:19] | kormoc: | Dagmar: Aye, I spent a weekend on it, we're fully http 1.1 compliant now |
| [21:25:23] | Dagmar: | Awesome |
| [21:26:01] | OmniCitadel: | J-e |
| [21:26:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | OmniCitadel: "Mythweb" settings, then "Video Playback" tab. Read the warning box in red, click on [X] Enable, then hit Save |
| [21:26:33] | kormoc: | (Assuming he has ffmpeg with mp3 support) |
| [21:26:40] | OmniCitadel: | J-e-f-f-A: I will have to give that a shot, are you talking about the front end or the backend |
| [21:26:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Yeah, that's why I told him to read the box. ;-) |
| [21:26:49] | kormoc: | The mythweb end |
| [21:27:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | OmniCitadel: Mythweb -the same interface you're trying to stream the recording through... |
| [21:29:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | OmniCitadel: So... basically, "Direct Download" is a raw download of the original file, "ASX Stream" is a 'wrapper' that allows the file to be played remotely – but at the full bitrate, so is really only useful over a local LAN. The only way to play a program over the WEB currently is with the Flash player. |
| [21:29:54] | OmniCitadel: | J-e-f-f-A: I am looking now thanks |
| [21:30:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | OmniCitadel: So, on a wintel laptop on your home wireless lan, (the same network your myth backend is on), an ASX stream would work. But not via the internet (way too high of a data rate) |
| [21:31:46] | kormoc: | Looks like comcast's 6 is 1 mbit up max |
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| [21:33:43] | ** J-e-f-f-A has pondered adding FiOS TV to his Internet – would push my data rate from 15/2 to 25/15 with the FiOS TV HD package apparently... Humm.... ** | |
| [21:34:32] | ** J-e-f-f-A just realized he could probably do ASX Streams of his SD recordings if he did that... hummm... ** | |
| [21:35:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: do you still get a fair amount of your HD over Firewire? |
| [21:35:56] | j-rod: | yep |
| [21:36:05] | j-rod: | or rather, I *can* |
| [21:36:20] | ** J-e-f-f-A really, really thinks about doing it... ;-) ** | |
| [21:36:20] | j-rod: | most of what I actually record is clear qam, so I just get it off tuner cards and hdhomerun |
| [21:36:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: More than just the locals in clear qam? |
| [21:37:04] | ** CyberKnet only gets locals via ClearQAM / Cox Tulsa ** | |
| [21:37:25] | CyberKnet: | FiOS/uVerse sounds good, but not available in my neighborhood. :| |
| [21:37:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: Yeah, that's all they're *legally* obligated to give you in the clear... |
| [21:37:37] | j-rod: | J-e-f-f-A: nah, just the locals clear qam |
| [21:38:08] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: Yep. Shame, too. I'd really like to record other HD channels than locals. Almost enough to get TiVo, but not quite. |
| [21:38:08] | j-rod: | a number of !hd channels, I record off a "digital to analog adapter" thingy |
| [21:38:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: Ok. ;-) I already get all the Boston locals via ATSC, but having them on a cable feed would be better. ;-) |
| [21:38:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: The HD-PVR, or SD? |
| [21:38:30] | CyberKnet: | J-e-f-f-A: So that you can get a highly compressed nasty version? :) |
| [21:39:09] | j-rod: | J-e-f-f-A: PVR-250, its all SD resolution |
| [21:39:17] | j-rod: | CyberKnet: not on FiOS |
| [21:39:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: Dont they have ~50 channels available in Analog? Anything good on those channels, or junk? |
| [21:39:22] | j-rod: | bandwidth to spare |
| [21:39:26] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: Aaah. Didn't realize that. |
| [21:39:30] | j-rod: | no channels at all in analog |
| [21:39:56] | j-rod: | thus the free 'digital to analog adapters' I got a while back |
| [21:40:07] | j-rod: | (really, they're just incredibly bare-bones cable boxes) |
| [21:40:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: So those work w/FiOS? Interesting... |
| [21:40:42] | j-rod: | Verizon sent 'em to me. :) |
| [21:40:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | any monthly fees for them? |
| [21:42:05] | j-rod: | nope |
| [21:42:18] | j-rod: | at least, none explicitly spelled out :) |
| [21:42:31] | j-rod: | maybe that's why the bill keeps going up... ;) |
| [21:42:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | Nice... What channels do they get, just the locals? |
| [21:42:37] | tmkt: | all about ota |
| [21:42:49] | j-rod: | nah, they get a ton of channels |
| [21:43:11] | j-rod: | I mostly record cartoon network, nickelodeon, etc off it for the kids |
| [21:43:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | No $hit... humm.... much cheaper than paying $5.99 Ior whatever) for their SD box, eh? |
| [21:43:33] | j-rod: | may have been a limited-time offer thing for those already subscribed |
| [21:43:42] | tmkt: | j-rod: only thing i miss about ota is the kids stuff fromc able |
| [21:43:45] | j-rod: | they sent 'em out when they dropped the few analog channels they had |
| [21:44:30] | j-rod: | yeah, that's one thing I'd miss |
| [21:44:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: I think I'll make the switch anyways... for ~$130/month I'd have 3xHD boxes and 25/15 Internet – which works out to be about the same as my 3xDish SD + FiOS Internet cost anyways... |
| [21:44:46] | j-rod: | the others are espnhd and fox soccer channel |
| [21:45:21] | j-rod: | jeebus, 25/15? is that a residential package? |
| [21:45:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and no more 'rain fade' during heavy thunderstorms... |
| [21:45:38] | j-rod: | I still have my "mere" 20/5 business package |
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| [21:45:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: yeah, but only if you have the FiOS TV HD package apparently... |
| [21:45:55] | Wicked: | heh. 3/768k here -_- |
| [21:46:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: Otherwise it's 15/5 ... |
| [21:46:11] | j-rod: | aha |
| [21:46:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: or if your 'grandfathered' like I am, it's only 15/2 ... (Being an early adopter and all... ;-) ) |
| [21:46:55] | CyberKnet: | freaky: http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=8776841 |
| [21:47:23] | j-rod: | I started out 15/2, iirc, then got upgraded to 20/5 for nada |
| [21:47:58] | ** j-rod has to run, need to pick up son from hockey practice... ** | |
| [21:48:02] | CyberKnet: | adios |
| [21:48:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: Actually, I do remember a 20/5 option somewhere recently... |
| [21:48:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | ttyl. |
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| [22:32:30] | ** iamlindoro wonders what is up with everyone declaring their own tickets "blocker" lately ** | |
| [22:32:57] | iamlindoro: | maybe milestone shouldn't be submitter-modifiable |
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| [22:34:40] | edman007: | i recently reinstalled a lot of stuff and now i get this: QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded |
| [22:34:41] | edman007: | QSqlDatabase: available drivers: (null) |
| [22:34:56] | edman007: | i can't find out why mythtv does not support mysql... |
| [22:35:17] | iamlindoro: | It does, but you have to install the Qt mySQL libraries... |
| [22:35:41] | edman007: | ahh, what is the name of the library? |
| [22:35:49] | iamlindoro: | ie, your myth is fine, you just don't have all the necessary myth dependencies installed |
| [22:35:56] | iamlindoro: | $whateveryourdistrocallsit |
| [22:36:15] | iamlindoro: | most likely something with the snippets "lib" "qt" and "mysql" |
| [22:36:18] | edman007: | alright... |
| [22:36:43] | iamlindoro: | depending on version of myth, the qt version should be taken into account, too |
| [22:36:49] | iamlindoro: | ie, qt3, qt4, etc. |
| [22:38:22] | Dagmar: | No "Strange?" in the error output? |
| [22:38:30] | Dagmar: | Must be showing up in more than one place now. Cool. |
| [22:38:39] | edman007: | does 0.21-fixes support qt 4? |
| [22:38:43] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [22:38:44] | Dagmar: | Nope |
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| [22:40:13] | edman007: | ahh, ok, that explains why i missed it in my mass reinstall... |
| [22:40:20] | ** edman007 finds his qt3 package ** | |
| [22:41:11] | Dagmar: | Which distro do you use? |
| [22:41:33] | Dagmar: | The big ones all have a way do an automated clean install |
| [22:41:44] | edman007: | Dagmar, slackware, see i rm'd a lot of important stuff...and i'm trying to fix it |
| [22:41:50] | Dagmar: | Ooo |
| [22:41:57] | ** edman007 cries ** | |
| [22:42:26] | Dagmar: | I gotta get crackin' on that tomorrow |
| [22:42:42] | edman007: | yea, and the qt3 stuff is in the extra/ dir, and i forgot to reinstall that |
| [22:42:59] | Dagmar: | Yep |
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| [23:06:28] | edman007: | does the latest mythtv support qt4? |
| [23:06:47] | Dagmar: | Trunk does |
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| [23:27:21] | oobe: | mythnews doesnt seem to load i found this in the logs "Error: container 'mythnews' is missing child 'thumbnail'" |
| [23:28:18] | iamlindoro: | broken theme |
| [23:30:36] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [23:32:01] | oobe: | yea trying another theme fixed it |
| [23:32:07] | oobe: | it was metalurgy btw |
| [23:32:31] | iamlindoro: | Then as a responsible user of trunk, presumably you read the commit saying it was only 30% converted to MythUI |
| [23:33:32] | oobe: | im not sure what you mean |
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| [23:33:58] | iamlindoro: | As you have been using trunk, it is your responsibility to read commits closely |
| [23:34:18] | iamlindoro: | and when metallurgy went in to trunk, it was with a commit message mentioning its MythUI conversion was only 30% done |
| [23:34:42] | iamlindoro: | so you should know that you're using a theme that is only 30% functional |
| [23:35:05] | iamlindoro: | s/know/already know/ |
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| [23:36:11] | oobe: | ah ok |
| [23:36:49] | oobe: | yeah i did read that somewhere but didnt think about it i just thought gee mythnews doesnt work |
| [23:37:16] | iamlindoro: | another helpful bug report |
| [23:38:38] | oobe: | do you know why they changed the recording menu images so they are still rather than animated it seems like a step backwards |
| [23:39:50] | iamlindoro: | because there is no MythUI video widget yet |
| [23:39:57] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [23:40:07] | oobe: | so it wont stay like that |
| [23:40:14] | iamlindoro: | it will for .22 |
| [23:45:43] | ** J-e-f-f-A kicks off an svn checkout of 0.22 RC1... ;-) ** | |
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| [23:47:20] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: check out the release-0-22-fixes branch, not the tagged RC. There have been several fixes since the tag. |
| [23:47:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Yeah, that's actually what I just checked out. ;-) |
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