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| [00:55:09] | tmkt: | any recos on remotes? |
| [00:55:47] | kormoc: | mceusb |
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| [00:56:44] | tmkt: | hvr-1600 is what i have doesn't seem to work with the new lirc, debating between new remote..or rolling back to older kernel with older version of lirc |
| [00:57:50] | tmkt: | but then again..hvr-1600 is pretty popular it seems..can't see them keeping it broken for long |
| [01:02:59] | kormoc: | For all you Comic Sans haters out there, http://www.reallifecomics.com/ |
| [01:03:31] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [01:03:53] | iamlindoro: | I think most people's real complaint about CS is it's painful overuse |
| [01:11:31] | tmkt: | arial is king |
| [01:11:51] | ** iamlindoro shudders ** | |
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| [01:12:10] | Hodapp: | PALADINO FTW |
| [01:12:27] | tmkt: | adejavu |
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| [01:20:47] | tmkt: | what qbout ps3 remote? |
| [01:32:33] | wagnerrp: | the ps3 remote is not supported by lirc |
| [01:33:01] | wagnerrp: | there IS some hackish program which will connect to it over bluetooth, and feed commands to mythfrontend over the control socket |
| [01:33:05] | wagnerrp: | but that is far from ideal |
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| [01:57:41] | mag0o: | using 22342, i have a reproducable error on mythfrontend. configure paint engine to opengl, exit mf, start mf change painter back to Qt then Media Library > Watch Videos then I can't exit video screen or scroll through the videos. Can anyone else try to confirm? |
| [01:59:16] | iamlindoro: | cannot reproduce |
| [01:59:42] | mag0o: | ok, chalk it up to childish (guess i should have changed the theme first) sorry |
| [01:59:55] | iamlindoro: | so you fixed in there, or..? |
| [02:00:24] | iamlindoro: | just because I can't reproduce doesn't mean it's not a bug, we've already found that one only reproduceable there |
| [02:01:45] | mag0o: | im swapping to terra and trying |
| [02:03:20] | mag0o: | actually did it with terra too, but i see where it's hanging – on the 'Loading Videos' window/popup |
| [02:03:37] | mag0o: | (i havent themed that yet) |
| [02:03:53] | iamlindoro: | 22342 could be before I fixed the loading bar last night |
| [02:04:08] | mag0o: | k, i just up'd so i'll rebuild and see |
| [02:04:11] | iamlindoro: | but it *does* sound like a bug in there |
| [02:04:29] | iamlindoro: | as not having the images shouldn't necessarily hang the UI, but you should ask gbee to be sure |
| [02:04:41] | iamlindoro: | (it should call back to the default progressbar) |
| [02:05:13] | mag0o: | well, i see the whole window, and the loading clock in terra, but it just hangs there at the animation (with the video posters in the background) |
| [02:12:33] | mag0o: | this will take a few mins to build but i'll try again after it does and report back |
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| [02:14:44] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: when using the OpenGL painter do you see a memory leak when you play recording then exit then play recording then exit ... |
| [02:15:37] | elmojo: | I'm noticing memory increasing about 1% of 2GB RAM each time I play recording then exit |
| [02:16:03] | elmojo: | with the Qt painter no leaks observed at all |
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| [02:23:05] | poodyp: | is there any way I can disable the tripple tap for the number keys? |
| [02:23:42] | wagnerrp: | tripple tap? |
| [02:24:03] | poodyp: | the push 5 and get jkl5 instead |
| [02:24:09] | poodyp: | like on a phone |
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| [02:33:35] | sphery: | poodyp: hit space or enter to bring up the on-screen keyboard and then type like normal |
| [02:34:04] | sphery: | or wait until 0.22 (where it's gone, anyway) |
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| [02:41:29] | poodyp: | well that works for now at least |
| [02:44:36] | Seventoes: | is there a pear-odytv for regular tvs? |
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| [02:45:23] | Seventoes: | ie an appletv clone for regular tvs? :P |
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| [02:46:00] | elmojo: | sphery: any idea if it is possible/allowed to add event handling in main.cpp of a program? |
| [02:46:17] | elmojo: | still wondering about fixing the Qt bookmark popup |
| [02:46:22] | sphery: | elmojo: no idea |
| [02:46:40] | elmojo: | k, maybe I'll give it a try |
| [02:47:06] | sphery: | might want to talk to gbee, too |
| [02:47:14] | sphery: | he knows far more about the whole ui |
| [02:47:45] | elmojo: | heh, he's way out of my league – I'd feel bad about wasting his time |
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| [03:01:14] | mag0o: | iamlindoro: still happens with 22430 and Terra |
| [03:01:38] | wagnerrp: | hehe... probably should have disabled that recording |
| [03:01:46] | wagnerrp: | 3GB of static |
| [03:01:49] | resno: | mag0o: i am working with getting acpi to work now, but its not... |
| [03:02:17] | resno: | i was able to do the example to make it wake ujp in 5 mins, but myth hasnt made it sleep yet |
| [03:02:24] | wagnerrp: | theres actually some sound in there |
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| [03:02:38] | wagnerrp: | its picking up audio from somewher |
| [03:02:39] | wagnerrp: | e |
| [03:03:15] | mag0o: | one of my frontends goes to sleep magically with mythbuntu, and the other (slackware) goes to sleep on a button press |
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| [03:04:30] | mag0o: | only thing that bothers me is that i cant wake them up from sleep with WOL, they wake fine from a shutdown state though |
| [03:04:49] | wagnerrp: | ive got the opposite |
| [03:04:54] | mag0o: | doesnt bother me enough though to bother looking further into it |
| [03:04:58] | wagnerrp: | i can wake from sleep, but not from power down |
| [03:05:02] | mag0o: | hehe |
| [03:05:05] | mag0o: | lets swap setups |
| [03:05:07] | mag0o: | :) |
| [03:05:13] | wagnerrp: | love that standard behavior |
| [03:06:53] | mag0o: | always |
| [03:08:59] | resno: | so basically on my own for this one? |
| [03:09:29] | mag0o: | what os? |
| [03:09:44] | resno: | ubuntu. |
| [03:10:03] | resno: | actually linux ;) |
| [03:10:10] | mag0o: | lol |
| [03:10:15] | resno: | thats what i told earlier when i asked that question |
| [03:10:16] | mag0o: | i was around earlier for that |
| [03:10:21] | resno: | ah |
| [03:10:30] | resno: | sorry to tell an old joke |
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| [03:11:01] | ** mag0o gets up to turn on the mythbuntu box manually, instead of wol ** | |
| [03:11:05] | resno: | i can issue the command in terminal, and it works but myth wont wont connect it |
| [03:11:23] | mag0o: | which command? |
| [03:11:31] | Seventoes: | omg watching a show for the first time on my mythtv box... <3<3<3 |
| [03:11:52] | mag0o: | :) |
| [03:11:53] | jya: | For anyone using trunk, and using digital audio (spdif/hdmi) following revision #22432, you must go and edit the audio preferences and change from Stereo to 5.1 if you want multi-channel sound, otherwise all you will get will be just that: stereo |
| [03:12:10] | resno: | sudo sh -c "echo 0 > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm" |
| [03:12:11] | resno: | sudo sh -c "echo `date '+%s' -d '+ 5 minutes'` > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm" |
| [03:12:13] | resno: | cat /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm |
| [03:12:16] | resno: | sorry about the flooding.. |
| [03:12:18] | wagnerrp: | even if its set to use passthrough? |
| [03:12:28] | jya: | yes |
| [03:12:49] | mag0o: | so myth wont perform those actions? |
| [03:13:21] | jya: | the channel configuration is now irrelevant to how it's working internally (e.g. 5.1 AC3 is sent as a stereo PCM stream) |
| [03:13:31] | resno: | if i issue that through terminal, it will update the bios, then i issue the sudo shutdown -h now, and in 5 mins it comes back up |
| [03:13:56] | wagnerrp: | that going to make it into 0.22? or is it left in trunk for 0.23? |
| [03:14:05] | jya: | it's in trunk |
| [03:14:10] | elmojo: | jya: does passthrough still just pass the audio directly to my receiver or does it re-encode? |
| [03:14:11] | jya: | 0.22-fixes has been created |
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| [03:14:24] | wagnerrp: | right, but there have been some backports to fixes |
| [03:14:28] | jya: | the commit was applied to trunk |
| [03:14:51] | jya: | not up to me to decide unfortunately, otherwise it would have been in 0.22 already |
| [03:15:00] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [03:15:06] | mag0o: | resno: whats that wiki page again? |
| [03:15:22] | resno: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup |
| [03:15:24] | jya: | elmojo: it depends what you are playing and how |
| [03:16:08] | jya: | if you have configurated your received as AC3 or DTS capable, if you are playing an AC3 or DTS audio, it will be passthrough as-is |
| [03:16:33] | elmojo: | jya: ok, even if it's AC-3 2-channel audio? |
| [03:16:47] | jya: | if you are playing stereo, and you configured for it to be upmixed (great for playing pro-logic material), then it will be converted to 5.1 AC3 |
| [03:17:06] | elmojo: | jya: ok, awesome! |
| [03:17:10] | jya: | what audio format you are playing is now irrelevant |
| [03:17:13] | elmojo: | thanks for getting that into trunk |
| [03:17:18] | jya: | what matters is how many channels |
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| [03:18:01] | jya: | so if you play AC3 stereo, set it to upmix by default, and tell myth you have a 5.1 system, then the AC3 stereo is upmixed to 5.1 AC3 |
| [03:18:05] | wagnerrp: | i never had much luck with prologic |
| [03:18:14] | mag0o: | resno: im trying it out so i'll let you know |
| [03:18:22] | resno: | k thanks |
| [03:18:25] | wagnerrp: | of course that may very well have been due to a faulty prologic chip on my receiver |
| [03:18:35] | jya: | this new code makes it much easier |
| [03:18:47] | elmojo: | jya: so basically if I set passthrough, 5.1 and no up-mix then passthrough will work as before? |
| [03:18:55] | jya: | if you are playing pro-logic, and activate the upmixing, the receiver will see 5.1 AC3 |
| [03:19:04] | wagnerrp: | with prologic enabled, the volume fluctuates wildly |
| [03:19:12] | wagnerrp: | (it only has stereo inputs, old receiver) |
| [03:19:15] | jya: | elmojo: that's right |
| [03:19:28] | elmojo: | cool, thanks |
| [03:19:57] | jya: | but you need to check AC3 and DTS |
| [03:20:25] | jya: | otherwise the audio will be decoded by myth and sent as PCM |
| [03:21:04] | elmojo: | jya: I actually have an asoundrc that I use to take stereo mp3 and convert to 5.1 AC-3 but only send the stereo to the right/left channels and nothing to the other channels |
| [03:21:08] | jya: | wagnerrp: if you have stereo, and you are playing a prologic audio , all you will hear is stereo... prologic should be 100% backward compatible |
| [03:21:23] | elmojo: | this prevents my receiver from upmixing stereo music which I hate |
| [03:21:33] | jya: | it's probably better if you remove that asoundrc and let myth do the work |
| [03:21:35] | wagnerrp: | jya: im talking general use, not pertaining to mythtv |
| [03:22:20] | jya: | your receiver shouldn't do any upmixing unless you set it explicitely to do so... like putting on a "hall" mode or something |
| [03:22:20] | wagnerrp: | im saying ive never found prologic to be very useful, but that may just be due to a faulty chip on my receiver |
| [03:22:28] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [03:22:36] | wagnerrp: | it has a 'prologic 5.1' mode |
| [03:22:37] | elmojo: | jya: most of the stereo upmixing schemes I've seen take the left and right channels and send them out all all channels with different levels |
| [03:22:48] | mag0o: | hey look! it's awake! |
| [03:22:48] | jya: | try the track sample I've put there |
| [03:22:56] | mag0o: | ok, that part works |
| [03:22:59] | jya: | very efficient PLII encoding |
| [03:23:46] | jya: | elmojo: the new upmixer uses the libfreesurround, it's much smarter than that... it has full matrix multiplexing the way PLII works |
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| [03:24:08] | jya: | try with this sample |
| [03:24:09] | jya: | http://www.avenard.org/files/media/videotest/channelsPLII.mpg |
| [03:24:20] | jya: | it almost give complete discrete channels |
| [03:24:40] | jya: | provided you set the upmixer quality to "best" |
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| [03:25:20] | jya: | this sample will say front left, front right, center, rear left etc... |
| [03:25:53] | jya: | it's quite impressive, all from a stereo track.. funnily, when played with mplayer in stereo mode, half the audio disappear |
| [03:26:33] | mag0o: | holy moly – don't try to use pico or whatever after using vi |
| [03:26:41] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [03:26:53] | resno: | mag0o: what makes you say that? |
| [03:27:00] | resno: | just the commands? |
| [03:27:10] | elmojo: | jya: that sample is cool |
| [03:27:18] | elmojo: | my receiver played it back perfectly |
| [03:27:20] | wagnerrp: | resno: youll start typing all sorts of crap because youre trying to exit the program |
| [03:27:28] | mag0o: | yeah |
| [03:27:34] | resno: | thats what i thoght... |
| [03:27:35] | Dagmar: | resno: because pico doens't handle vim-style commands well |
| [03:28:05] | mag0o: | then when you realize you're not in vi, you hit :q! and just type that in too |
| [03:29:01] | jya: | elmojo: are you using the mythtv upmixer ? if yes if you listen carefully, when playing "center" you do ear a tiny bit in the left and right channel, but it's barely audible. You can also ear some static noise in the surround... it's still very good |
| [03:29:19] | jya: | or you let your receiver do the work? |
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| [03:29:28] | Wicked: | is release-0-22-fixes gonna be 0.22? would i be able to check it out now then if stuff changes before the official release ill just be able to svn up? |
| [03:29:50] | jya: | I would have assumed a receiver to decode it even better, after all, they pay to get all the technical information ! |
| [03:30:01] | wagnerrp: | 0.22-fixes is going to be 0.22-fixes |
| [03:30:10] | Dagmar: | What we need is a fork of mythfrontend that just displays the message "LOL" on the screen in giant letters. |
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| [03:30:17] | wagnerrp: | somewhere in the next couple days, it will be zipped up and released |
| [03:30:19] | pyther: | What would you all suggest for a good bitrate to encode in? |
| [03:30:31] | Dagmar: | Put that in there for all future releease branches and a few made-up ones |
| [03:30:31] | wagnerrp: | however it is still recommended to track 0.22-fixes |
| [03:30:38] | Dagmar: | pyther: The defaults. |
| [03:30:45] | wagnerrp: | pyther: that is a completely ambiguous question |
| [03:30:45] | Dagmar: | Beyond that, "personal taste" |
| [03:31:01] | Wicked: | ok so i think ill try to check it out..play with it a bit tonight...then wait for the official release and svn up it |
| [03:31:17] | wagnerrp: | what codec? what resolution? interlaced? is there grain? noise? |
| [03:31:54] | pyther: | well codec would be h264, no noise (digital signal), resolution 1280x780 (or whatever the height is) |
| [03:32:05] | Dagmar: | So leave it at the defaults. |
| [03:32:06] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: as before, it is recommended user pull from the -fixes branch, rather than the officially released source zip |
| [03:32:17] | pyther: | Dagmar, what do you mean defaults? |
| [03:32:25] | elmojo: | jya: I let the receiver handle it directly – I haven't applied your patch |
| [03:32:30] | Dagmar: | The defaults that are in Myth already. |
| [03:32:34] | Dagmar: | Use them. |
| [03:32:44] | wagnerrp: | pyther: how much noise? digital copies can still reproduce analog noise. digital copies can still reproduce analog film grain |
| [03:32:57] | elmojo: | jya: just checked the patch to make sure it didn't upgrade my database |
| [03:33:05] | wagnerrp: | noise and grain are significantly harder to compress than a clean image |
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| [03:33:11] | jya: | it doesn't |
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| [03:33:16] | Wicked: | wagnerrp, yea im checking out release-0-22-fixes |
| [03:33:26] | Dagmar: | pyther: Otherwise, http://www.videohelp.com/ |
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| [03:33:53] | jya: | actually, I need to bump the binary version number |
| [03:34:06] | jya: | because mythmusic must be recompiled too |
| [03:34:11] | jya: | damn, forgot about that |
| [03:34:26] | pyther: | wagnerrp, I mean I'm getting a digital signal, so I don't think there is any noise, the picture looks good anyways |
| [03:34:47] | elmojo: | jya: I've been running trunk for a long time and decided to run -fixes for a while for a break :) |
| [03:35:08] | Dagmar: | pyther: You might as well be asking how to sing or paint |
| [03:35:18] | Hodapp: | can anybody help me? I wanna learn to pain |
| [03:35:21] | Hodapp: | paint* |
| [03:35:27] | elmojo: | jya: I'll probably just backport since it's a very cool feature |
| [03:35:30] | Dagmar: | There is no easy answer, and no answer you'll understand if you don't know half of it already |
| [03:35:40] | pyther: | Haha this all very new to me and I'm trying to wrap my head around it |
| [03:35:47] | Dagmar: | So go to that website |
| [03:36:00] | Dagmar: | There's very little they don't have explained, documented, and flamebaited |
| [03:36:01] | jya: | elmojo: trunk for the next few days are likely going to be just bug fixes of 0.22-fixes |
| [03:36:21] | resno: | mag0o: do you think it might be an issue running a front end and backend together? |
| [03:36:33] | wagnerrp: | the 'quick and easy' answer... leave everything default, and set a constant quantizer of 19–22 |
| [03:36:39] | mag0o: | im not sure resno, mine are separate |
| [03:36:42] | pyther: | Dagmar, ok thanks I'll look at it when I get some few time |
| [03:36:55] | pyther: | Not sure how to set a constant quantizer in handbrake |
| [03:37:12] | Dagmar: | There's a whole section for handbrake stuff |
| [03:37:19] | Dagmar: | Mainly, use one of it's profiles and be done with it |
| [03:37:34] | Dagmar: | Otherwise, you're looking at 4 hours of solid reading at minimum |
| [03:37:39] | pyther: | I didn't like any of the profiles :P |
| [03:37:40] | wagnerrp: | if youre using handbrake, look for a AVCHD, PS3, or DXVA profile |
| [03:37:41] | Dagmar: | Possibly upwards of 12 |
| [03:37:52] | resno: | mag0o: ok.... i will work it a bit longer, if not just turn it manually or something :S |
| [03:37:59] | Dagmar: | wagneerp: They've got use-case templates now |
| [03:37:59] | mag0o: | ...and on mythbuntu i can't find mythtv-setup. |
| [03:38:01] | wagnerrp: | any one of those should be fairly universally compatible |
| [03:38:05] | elmojo: | jya: also interested in your color conversion patch |
| [03:38:07] | wagnerrp: | use-case? |
| [03:38:22] | Dagmar: | Yes, as in profiles for destination devices/media |
| [03:38:38] | wagnerrp: | such as 'PS3' and 'DXVA'? |
| [03:38:41] | resno: | mag0o: i remember using mythubuntu a few years ago, has it developed nicely? |
| [03:38:45] | elmojo: | jya: so basically digital recordings need to be color converted if played back from a PC to a TV, right? |
| [03:38:50] | Dagmar: | More like PSP, PS3, DVD, Wii, that sort of thing |
| [03:38:59] | jya: | elmojo: it's in already the color conversion feature, but only for VDPAU |
| [03:39:04] | mag0o: | i run it on one frontend just to say i did |
| [03:39:09] | elmojo: | jya: I'm VDPAU only |
| [03:39:18] | wagnerrp: | well anyway, any 'DXVA' content should play on VDPAU if you wish to go that route |
| [03:39:19] | jya: | it depends on what your TV accepts |
| [03:39:28] | mag0o: | its actually pretty decent |
| [03:39:29] | wagnerrp: | since theyre designed for the same decoder hardware |
| [03:40:02] | resno: | myth can work on just about "any" distro though, right? |
| [03:40:12] | jya: | elmojo: set colorbase=0 in the filter, to let it change between ITU607 and ITU709 depending on the resolution |
| [03:40:14] | resno: | i know there are always exceptions |
| [03:40:38] | jya: | then if your TV expects sRGB and not plain RGB, set the filter to "studio" as well |
| [03:40:53] | elmojo: | jya: ah, ok |
| [03:40:53] | Dagmar: | resno: DOn't expect us to not laught at you if you use Hannah Montana Linux |
| [03:41:12] | pyther: | Dagmar, so I probably want the Television profile right? |
| [03:41:18] | ** mag0o looks for hannah montana linux, the 7 year old would *love* that ** | |
| [03:41:20] | Dagmar: | shore! |
| [03:41:32] | Dagmar: | mag0o: Sadly, it exists |
| [03:41:40] | mag0o: | seriously? |
| [03:41:43] | Dagmar: | Yes |
| [03:41:44] | resno: | no way! |
| [03:41:50] | Dagmar: | We're using it for penetration testing |
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| [03:42:05] | ** mag0o laughs uncontrollably ** | |
| [03:42:27] | elmojo: | jya: VDPAU with Advanced 2X and studio color will be nice |
| [03:42:45] | resno: | now, ive seen everything! hannah montana linux |
| [03:42:49] | jya: | well, it's all possible now |
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| [03:43:43] | Dagmar: | Remember, she's only famous when she wears the wig |
| [03:43:53] | Dagmar: | Without it, she's just another child softcore star |
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| [03:44:08] | mag0o: | haha |
| [03:44:19] | resno: | there are even song lyrics for a "linux" hannah montana song |
| [03:44:26] | resno: | on the distro website |
| [03:44:54] | Dagmar: | I would like some of what their marketing people are smoking, but no one will tell me. |
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| [03:45:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | "Penetration testing"... NICE... ;-) |
| [03:45:09] | Dagmar: | I think they're afraid of what my reaction as a Linux user will be |
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| [03:47:07] | Wicked: | thats awesome |
| [03:47:09] | Wicked: | lol |
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| [03:47:41] | elmojo: | jya: if my TV manual doesn't state sRGB is it most likely RGB? |
| [03:48:42] | jya: | what TV is it? most TV expects sRGB by default... My Sony Bravia let you choose between RGB or YPrCr, but they mean sRGB |
| [03:49:11] | jya: | in any case, try with both, and see which one you like best |
| [03:49:49] | jya: | you may have got use to redish faces and won't like studio levels :) |
| [03:50:08] | elmojo: | jya: it's actually a Westinghouse 37" 1080p "Monitor" |
| [03:50:10] | jya: | it's very subtle anyway. |
| [03:50:31] | elmojo: | no mention of sRGB in the user manual |
| [03:50:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee, trying to play the new "The Proposal" DVD on 0.21-fixes on Fedora 8 is an epic fail... strange dvd — 99 titles, and just hangs at a blank black screen.... Trying in Trunk now... |
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| [03:52:11] | jya: | elmojo: just downloaded the manual, can't say I've ever seen such a succint manual for a TV. |
| [03:52:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... Seems to work in Trunk.. ;-) cool. |
| [03:52:42] | jya: | a "monitor" is often full RGB level |
| [03:52:48] | elmojo: | jya: hehe, it's a budget TV |
| [03:52:57] | jya: | it's called PC level for a reason :) |
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| [03:53:19] | jya: | is that a TV or a monitor? |
| [03:53:47] | elmojo: | it's considered a "monitor" becuase it doesn't have any kind of tuner |
| [03:53:54] | elmojo: | basically a tunerless TV |
| [03:54:04] | jya: | I would assume it uses PC levels |
| [03:55:03] | resno: | would you all agree with this statement: For those who are willing to give up convenience to experience the natural, unspoiled simplicity, stability, and security of original Linux distributions: Slackware would be a logical choice. |
| [03:55:19] | elmojo: | jya: will the colorbase=n, studio filters have any affect for a monitor with PC levels? |
| [03:55:34] | jya: | yes |
| [03:56:23] | jya: | if you use studio levels with a PC monitor , then black will appear grey and you'll have "dim" whites |
| [03:56:40] | elmojo: | yuck |
| [03:56:49] | jya: | if you feed PC levels to a TV expecting studio levels, you'll get crush blacks and whites |
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| [03:57:05] | jya: | it's still very subtle |
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| [03:57:26] | mag0o: | resno: yes on that statement |
| [03:57:41] | elmojo: | jya: probably best to leave things alone then |
| [03:57:47] | jya: | won't look "ugly" as such... most people can't tell the difference, other thatn an initial "looks weird" feeling |
| [03:57:56] | jya: | do use colorbase=0 though |
| [03:58:17] | resno: | mag0o: just looking a a page outlining the different linux distros. trying to give others a second chance. |
| [03:58:17] | elmojo: | jya: k, will do |
| [03:58:22] | jya: | with HD broadcast, it's likely going to look more natural |
| [03:58:47] | jya: | like not a green grass or nicer skin tones |
| [03:59:22] | jya: | when you set colorbase to 0, it uses the resolution to select which colorbase to use |
| [04:00:25] | jya: | so it's not perfect obviously... but there's no otherway of checking, otherwise it would be rather complicated and certainly outside my level of competence |
| [04:01:11] | elmojo: | jya: k, cool – thanks for helping me understand |
| [04:02:25] | ** mag0o thinks redhat is playing a trick on me, trying to get me to download an old version of RH instead of the rhel i'm trying to get ** | |
| [04:02:29] | jya: | check the wikipedia entry on this, as well as the conversion formula.. that's what I used |
| [04:03:28] | jya: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YCbCr |
| [04:04:27] | jya: | and that's about ITU BT709 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rec._709 |
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| [04:08:16] | resno: | mag0o: i think i found the issue. |
| [04:08:34] | k-man: | hows the next release coming along? (i know the drill, I'm just curious) |
| [04:08:42] | resno: | mag0o: when i issue this command "echo 0 > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm" is says permission denied. |
| [04:09:19] | resno: | k-man: its coming.. |
| [04:11:21] | mag0o: | yes, that would be a big issue |
| [04:12:04] | resno: | mag0o: am i doing something wrong? i tried issuing it with sudo but it still wont budge |
| [04:12:22] | k-man: | resno: ok – but is there any info about how its going? are they facing challenging bugs that are refusing to be found? |
| [04:12:58] | [R]: | k-man: there is a reason the bug tracker is public... |
| [04:13:06] | [R]: | k-man: as well as a developer mailing list |
| [04:13:09] | resno: | k-man: uh... the possibility exists. progress is being made. |
| [04:13:13] | mag0o: | resno: did you add whatever user to the sudoers group? |
| [04:13:31] | resno: | mag0o: thats later on the steps, but yes |
| [04:13:35] | [R]: | resno: > doesn't translate through sudo |
| [04:13:52] | resno: | [R]: i figured, it was one of those things... |
| [04:14:33] | mag0o: | resno: sudo sh -c 'echo 0 > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm' |
| [04:14:40] | mag0o: | good catch [R] |
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| [04:24:59] | Dagmar: | *sigh* |
| [04:25:10] | Dagmar: | Why are you calling sh to run a bash builtin? |
| [04:25:28] | Dagmar: | Nevermind, I don't even wanna know |
| [04:26:07] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:26:39] | Dagmar: | It can't be worse than anything clever migth do |
| [04:26:52] | mag0o: | i found it that way on the intarweb, and don't know any better – enlighten me so next time i'll know the right way :) |
| [04:27:04] | Dagmar: | I can see him doing something like dd if=/dev/zero count=1 of=/sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm |
| [04:27:17] | [R]: | rofl |
| [04:27:44] | [R]: | someone on the ml came up with a very creative way to do it |
| [04:27:57] | [R]: | echo | tee >/dev/null |
| [04:28:35] | mag0o: | so let me see – would it be: sudo -c 'echo 0 > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm' because echo is part of busybox? |
| [04:29:08] | mag0o: | or am i just way off? |
| [04:32:45] | Dagmar: | [R]: And like many things on the mailing list, it's also a bit wrong |
| [04:33:09] | Dagmar: | mag0o: within reasonable levels of 'busybox', probably |
| [04:33:37] | [R]: | Dagmar: i though it looked valid |
| [04:33:43] | Dagmar: | I'd be suprised to see busybox used outside of a really anal-retentive distro tho, since it's mainly sh/ash-compatible, not bash-compatible |
| [04:33:50] | Dagmar: | [R]: no zero |
| [04:33:57] | [R]: | Dagmar: 0? |
| [04:36:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | Dagmar, even the man page for sudo gives an example of running the command in a subshell so that redirection works. echo isn't the issue, it's the redirection. |
| [04:36:34] | wagnerrp: | even for initrds? |
| [04:37:40] | resno: | it was like that on myths wiki |
| [04:38:04] | Dagmar: | Ah well, I'll leave that to people who allow sudo to invoke sh with just any parameters one likes |
| [04:39:07] | wagnerrp: | rather negates the whole purpose of sudo in one swoop |
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| [04:40:30] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [04:40:32] | mag0o: | ahhh, i get it now |
| [04:41:54] | Dagmar: | There's a great many old heads who just su to root because they're more likely to automatically exit the root shell than they are to type any further commands |
| [04:42:06] | Dagmar: | ...which is a little annoying at times. |
| [04:42:27] | Wicked: | hmm is there any entries on upgrading from 0.21-fixes to 0.22-fixes? or should i just do it like any other reinstall of mythtv? |
| [04:42:42] | Dagmar: | Wicked: BACK UP YOUR DB FIRST |
| [04:42:52] | Wicked: | 10–4 |
| [04:42:56] | wagnerrp: | there is the mythvideo transition guide |
| [04:43:11] | Dagmar: | Now that we've said that, if you come back later complaining the schema upgrade failed, I *will* laugh at you |
| [04:43:31] | wagnerrp: | but most of the other changes are in the background |
| [04:43:36] | Wicked: | its ok ive been running the backup scripts for a while..got lots of db backups |
| [04:43:47] | Dagmar: | Everything *should* more or less just wotk |
| [04:43:52] | Wicked: | awesome |
| [04:44:00] | Wicked: | im really itching to try it out. |
| [04:44:16] | wagnerrp: | assuming youve not done anything to deviate from the official schema |
| [04:44:17] | Wicked: | i figure i can try tonight...i have until 6pm tomorrow before my next show |
| [04:44:25] | wagnerrp: | such as some 3rd party code |
| [04:44:34] | wagnerrp: | or improper mysql settings by certain distros |
| [04:44:47] | Wicked: | such as? |
| [04:44:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | mag0o, you need to run mythfrontend under gdb and get a backtrace when you hit CTRL-C and attach it to that ticket. |
| [04:45:06] | wagnerrp: | i know gentoo in particular set some defaults that mythtv does not like |
| [04:45:11] | Wicked: | ah |
| [04:45:12] | mag0o: | will do |
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| [04:45:16] | Wicked: | not a gentoo guy |
| [04:45:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery has a writeup on the wiki on how to work around such issues |
| [04:45:29] | Wicked: | allright |
| [04:45:37] | Wicked: | im psyched :) |
| [04:45:52] | Wicked: | damn computer cant compile fast enough tonight! |
| [04:46:10] | mag0o: | Captain_Murdoch: any -v ? |
| [04:46:25] | wagnerrp: | use distcc/ccache? |
| [04:46:52] | wagnerrp: | mag0o: no, you want the output from the debugger, not mythtv |
| [04:47:02] | mag0o: | k |
| [04:47:04] | Wicked: | no idea. i just ./configure&&make |
| [04:47:06] | Captain_Murdoch: | mag0o, I don't think so, I think the backtrace will be enough to figure it out if it is hung in a lock or loop. |
| [04:47:45] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: i mean those are two mechanisms by which to accelerate compiling |
| [04:47:47] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, was it you talking about offline recordings the other day, putting them on DVD or removable media? |
| [04:48:01] | wagnerrp: | possibly |
| [04:48:21] | wagnerrp: | im working on something to move them to removable hard drives |
| [04:49:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | I'm working on a patch that will create a .xml file for every recording. if you have that .xml and the video file, you'll be able to drop those in a special Storage Group and they'll automatically show up in the Watch Recordings screen. Right now I have the the code reading the xml file and showing a recording in Watch Recordings when the recording does not exist in the database, only in my special SG directory. |
| [04:49:59] | Dagmar: | You're my effing hero |
| [04:50:25] | Dagmar: | That sounds like the sort of magic that will facilitate hot-swapping (sort of) DVDs with archived content |
| [04:50:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | yep |
| [04:50:46] | Wicked: | should i make uninstall on 0.21-fixes before installing 0.22-fixes? |
| [04:51:01] | Captain_Murdoch: | and carrying of a USB hard disk or 16GB key to a MythBox in the car for long trips. :) |
| [04:51:15] | wagnerrp: | Wicked: ideally, you should start fresh, and execute in a backup of the database to the new server |
| [04:51:26] | mag0o: | backtrace attached |
| [04:51:37] | Wicked: | yea....not gonna reinstall the whole os for a simple program update. |
| [04:51:44] | Wicked: | but ill run make clean |
| [04:51:48] | Wicked: | err uninstall |
| [04:52:03] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: im actually considering more of a 1–1.5TB drive in a hotswap caddy |
| [04:52:13] | wagnerrp: | but this is more when youre actually parked at your destination |
| [04:52:33] | wagnerrp: | and more for mythvideo than recordings |
| [04:52:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, would work for anything from auto-mounted CD/DVD to a hard drive. |
| [04:53:04] | wagnerrp: | my parents dont use the DVR capacity much (my dad not at all) |
| [04:53:09] | wagnerrp: | its basically just a DVD jukebox |
| [04:53:17] | Dagmar: | Hey man I can put together a hook for HAL to prod Myth when a DVD with the magic file is inserted |
| [04:53:21] | Captain_Murdoch: | this code can be used for both recordings and MV since they'll share ProgramInfo sometime before 0.23 hopefully. |
| [04:54:13] | Captain_Murdoch: | just need to add a short bit of code in MV to scan the group for xml files and merge them into the in-memory list from the DB. |
| [04:55:36] | wagnerrp: | ideally, the backend would not automatically generate this file, but would make it available through the socket? |
| [04:55:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | if MV starts using the ProgramInfo class, it would be even easier. |
| [04:56:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | well, automatic is there for reasons as well. think lost DB. metadata restore is easy. |
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| [04:56:48] | wagnerrp: | shoving a bunch of extra files into the recordings directory is one thing, but i (and im sure a bunch of other people) wouldnt like mythvideo dumping a bunch of extra files onto their videos directories |
| [04:57:13] | Captain_Murdoch: | I'm only talking about recordings. |
| [04:57:21] | wagnerrp: | right, for now |
| [04:57:32] | Captain_Murdoch: | ability to generate .xml for a MV file on-demand. |
| [04:58:04] | Captain_Murdoch: | or fetch via mythbackend web interface which would call ProgramInfo::ToXML() for that MV entry and spit out the results. |
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| [04:58:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | s/MV/recording or MV/ |
| [04:58:43] | wagnerrp: | im thinking the latter would be better |
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| [04:59:39] | wagnerrp: | any reason why the web interface, instead of the normal socket? |
| [05:00:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | doens't matter, could be either. not even thinking about that now really since I'm concerned with recordings mainly until MV can use ProgramInfo. |
| [05:00:22] | Neight: | I have a question about Mythgame. Is there any way to have mythtv boot straight into the mythgame gui and/or an emulator? |
| [05:00:23] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [05:00:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | It's only a few lines of code for doing it over the normal socket and a little bit more for over http |
| [05:00:45] | sphery: | Neight: mythfrontend mythgame |
| [05:01:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery: does that work with any jumppoint? |
| [05:01:58] | sphery: | that works with plugins only |
| [05:02:17] | sphery: | mythfrontend <pluginname> (where pluginname is what comes after lib and before .so) |
| [05:03:08] | Captain_Murdoch: | mag0o, hopefully that backtrace will mean something to gbee or someone more familiar with the code who might know where things went haywire, it doesn't look that helpful to me. |
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| [05:11:07] | Neight: | Sphery: will mythfrontend mythgame make the system boot directly into mythgame from now on or will that just make it launch to that page for that time only? I am setting this up as strictly a multi-system emulator and don't even need to use the rest of mythtv on this machine. I figured this was the best choice for this but mostly because I haven't found any alternatives. |
| [05:11:19] | wagnerrp: | that time only |
| [05:11:31] | wagnerrp: | 'mythfrontend mythgame' will always boot to mythgame |
| [05:11:38] | wagnerrp: | 'mythfrontend' will always go to the main page |
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| [05:12:10] | wagnerrp: | mythgame is nothing more than a lirc-controlled launcher menu |
| [05:12:20] | wagnerrp: | im sure you can find something less bulky for that purpose |
| [05:13:53] | wagnerrp: | theres no reason to run a large frontend, and a large backend, and a sql server, if all youre using it for are games |
| [05:14:23] | Neight: | yeah.. i'm fairly new when it comes to linux as I am a recent convert, but after searching this seemed to be the easiest gui for my purpose. the system is for a user that wouldn't know what was going on if there wasn't a gui to handle everything. |
| [05:14:58] | wagnerrp: | unless you intend to record tv, mythtv probably isnt for you |
| [05:15:02] | Neight: | if you know of any other all in one emulator that would be able to launch on startup I'd be all over it espescially since it wouldn't have all the fat that comes with mythtv |
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| [05:15:50] | Neight: | yeah only reason i'm using it is because it's all i've found. and I've used it for it's intended purpose on my actual mythbox. |
| [05:16:51] | wagnerrp: | so you have an existing mythtv setup on your network? |
| [05:17:03] | Neight: | yeah but this box won't be on my network |
| [05:17:38] | Neight: | it's being build for a friend that just wants an all in one easy to use emulator |
| [05:18:25] | wagnerrp: | see what the pre-build MAME boxes use |
| [05:22:04] | Neight: | ok thanks I guess I have some more research to do |
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| [05:25:09] | Wicked: | are all the theme dirs working? i see myththemes oldthemes themes |
| [05:25:49] | wagnerrp: | that would be myththemes, and mythtv/themes |
| [05:26:00] | wagnerrp: | the rest are old format themes, that no longer work with 0.22 |
| [05:26:24] | Wicked: | ok thanks |
| [05:33:04] | wagnerrp: | they are just kept in the code for now, in case someone wants to update them to work against the new mythui |
| [05:33:19] | wagnerrp: | theyll probably be removed all together in 0.23 or 0.24 |
| [05:36:25] | Wicked: | hmm. ok backend started up no errors....seems to be running ok...but when i goto start the frontend it asked to update the mythmusic db..which ive never used mythmusic...then it asked to do the video db too...which it seems to do ok...but then the frontend just crashes when i start it |
| [05:36:53] | Wicked: | http://pastebin.com/m7c72d2a7 |
| [05:43:35] | [R]: | if you compiled it... you need to compile it with debugging... if not you need to install the debug libs if your distro provides them... t hen run it with gdb |
| [05:45:03] | wagnerrp: | it might be something with you specifying a non-compliant theme |
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| [05:45:16] | wagnerrp: | its not failing over properly in mythmusic, and segfaulting as a result |
| [05:45:24] | Wicked: | yea |
| [05:45:31] | wagnerrp: | try changing to one of the updated themes, and see what happens |
| [05:45:33] | Wicked: | i looked and there was some old themes from 21 |
| [05:45:40] | Wicked: | i removed them |
| [05:45:44] | Wicked: | gonna try it now |
| [05:45:47] | iamlindoro: | ls /usr/local/lib/libmyth* |
| [05:45:55] | iamlindoro: | ls /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/* |
| [05:45:57] | iamlindoro: | to a pastebin |
| [05:46:25] | Wicked: | iamlindoro, http://pastebin.com/m5e5c5224 |
| [05:46:53] | Wicked: | that did fix it |
| [05:47:05] | Wicked: | mythfrontend loads now |
| [05:47:12] | Wicked: | let me poke around a bit |
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| [05:48:31] | wagnerrp: | think its necessary for the failover stuff to be working properly before release? |
| [05:49:05] | wagnerrp: | or at least pop up some error with 'you are using an old theme, it has been reset to mythcenter'.... |
| [05:49:23] | [R]: | random crashes > * |
| [05:49:26] | [R]: | thats what i always say |
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| [05:51:18] | Wicked: | awesome..most things seem to be working fine. |
| [05:51:46] | Wicked: | how do i make it grab movie info/posters for my video collection? wasnt that one of the big things? it would fetch all this info for ya? |
| [05:52:04] | wagnerrp: | 'w' |
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| [05:52:59] | wagnerrp: | assuming you flushed and rescanned all your content, and the file names were in an acceptable format |
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| [05:53:53] | Wicked: | i did not flush. how do i do that? |
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| [05:55:50] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: think you might want to add a button to the menu to flush all recordings and cast/genre/country cross references, and restart the numbering? |
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| [05:56:34] | wagnerrp: | considering thats necessary to parse existing tv show names |
| [05:56:44] | wagnerrp: | and end users arent supposed to go tinkering around in the database |
| [05:58:53] | iamlindoro: | Really don't want to do that-- what's so hard about switching the directory, scanning, and switching it back? |
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| [06:01:44] | [R]: | i noticed if i'm watching a recording, and i hit the guide button, it pauses the show i'm watching until i leave it... is that differnet or the same (internally) from hitting the puase button |
| [06:04:30] | Wicked: | thats not hard to do |
| [06:04:41] | Wicked: | flushing the db that is... |
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| [06:13:11] | Wicked: | ok so its getting movie info for the movie when i hit w...but isnt there a way to batch do all the files? |
| [06:13:45] | wagnerrp: | that would be JAMU |
| [06:14:26] | Wicked: | JAMU? |
| [06:14:34] | wagnerrp: | JAMU |
| [06:14:42] | Wicked: | hmm. |
| [06:14:57] | [R]: | JAMU? |
| [06:14:59] | wagnerrp: | UMAJ |
| [06:21:50] | Wicked: | hmm where can i find jamu? im following http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu |
| [06:22:02] | Wicked: | ive installed the python-imdbpy |
| [06:22:11] | wagnerrp: | you dont find it, you already have it |
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| [06:22:43] | Wicked: | oh....ok...well then clearly im not getting this. |
| [06:23:06] | Wicked: | on that wiki entry...it looks like its being called from the commandline |
| [06:23:08] | wagnerrp: | its in mythtv |
| [06:23:17] | wagnerrp: | either in the mythvideo scripts, or in contrib |
| [06:23:20] | wagnerrp: | i dont remember which |
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| [06:25:10] | Wicked: | ok its in mythplugins/mythvideo/mythvideo/scripts |
| [06:25:26] | Wicked: | but am i supposed to use this externally? or inside mythtv? |
| [06:25:29] | wagnerrp: | meaning its in /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts |
| [06:25:34] | wagnerrp: | externally |
| [06:25:39] | wagnerrp: | generally, from cron |
| [06:25:45] | Wicked: | i see i see |
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| [06:44:01] | gnarface: | please kick me |
| [06:44:05] | gnarface: | someone |
| [06:44:06] | gnarface: | anyone |
| [06:44:24] | gnarface: | it is the only thing that will give my existence meaning |
| [06:45:20] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [06:45:25] | ** Wicked kicks gnarface ** | |
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| [07:12:26] | gnarface: | i don't feel a thing |
| [07:12:26] | gnarface: | and i stopped remembering |
| [07:12:36] | gnarface: | the days are just like moment |
| [07:12:36] | gnarface: | turned to hours |
| [07:12:48] | gnarface: | mother used to say; if you want you'll find a way |
| [07:12:56] | gnarface: | but mother never danced through fire showers |
| [07:12:59] | gnarface: | walk in the rain |
| [07:13:01] | gnarface: | in the rain |
| [07:13:04] | gnarface: | in the rain |
| [07:13:21] | gnarface: | i walk in the rain |
| [07:13:23] | gnarface: | in the rain |
| [07:13:37] | gnarface: | is it right, or is it wrong |
| [07:13:43] | gnarface: | and is it here that i belong? |
| [07:13:47] | gnarface: | i don't hear a sound |
| [07:13:52] | gnarface: | silent faces in the ground |
| [07:14:00] | gnarface: | the quiet screams but i refuse to listen |
| [07:14:07] | gnarface: | if there is a hell i'm sure this is how it smells |
| [07:14:20] | kormoc: | Language... |
| [07:14:31] | gnarface: | i wish it were a dream but no, it isn't |
| [07:14:32] | gnarface: | walk |
| [07:14:36] | gnarface: | in the rain |
| [07:14:39] | gnarface: | in the rain |
| [07:14:45] | kormoc: | and stop spamming the channel, we really don't care |
| [07:14:59] | gnarface: | lol |
| [07:15:09] | wagnerrp: | isnt that from cowboy bebop? |
| [07:15:32] | gnarface: | you really know how to stop the momentum of a beautiful monologue kormoc |
| [07:15:39] | gnarface: | yea that's from CB |
| [07:15:51] | gnarface: | yoko kanno's "Rain" |
| [07:16:03] | kormoc: | Yeah well... channel policy and what not |
| [07:17:32] | gnarface: | just... kick me |
| [07:17:36] | gnarface: | put me out of my misery |
| [07:17:53] | kormoc: | /part works just as well, and you can do it to yourself |
| [07:18:08] | gnarface: | i don't have the strength |
| [07:18:11] | gnarface: | you have to do it for me |
| [07:18:12] | gnarface: | free me |
| [07:18:14] | ** wagnerrp wonders if someone has taken control of someone elses computer, trying to get a ban ** | |
| [07:18:15] | gnarface: | free me kormoc |
| [07:29:45] | justinh: | look on the bright side. at least he didn't paste it :-P |
| [07:31:24] | kormoc: | heh, true |
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| [07:35:10] | purefusion: | http://woot.com has a Philips Prestigo 15 device remote which is said to control PCs |
| [07:35:22] | wagnerrp: | thats crap |
| [07:35:30] | purefusion: | think so? |
| [07:35:31] | wagnerrp: | its just one more universal IR remote |
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| [07:35:49] | wagnerrp: | it works with any IR receiver it has the codes for, or is in the proper range that you can program it |
| [07:36:10] | purefusion: | I don't have a universal that controls a PC though, but for $29 vs $89 on amazon... |
| [07:36:14] | wagnerrp: | it works with a computer no better or worse than every single other universal remote |
| [07:36:25] | wagnerrp: | do you have a universal remote? |
| [07:36:33] | justinh: | I have a universal remote which controls a PC :) |
| [07:36:40] | purefusion: | I had one, but it doesn't control a PC |
| [07:36:47] | justinh: | it's just a universal remote teamed up with a LIRC receiver :) |
| [07:36:48] | wagnerrp: | do you have an IR receiver connected to your mythbox? |
| [07:36:54] | purefusion: | that and the batteries died too quickly |
| [07:36:59] | purefusion: | yep |
| [07:37:14] | wagnerrp: | if you have those two prerequisites, you almost certainly have a universal remote that works with your mythtv box |
| [07:37:17] | purefusion: | I have a WMC remote |
| [07:37:33] | wagnerrp: | your remote doesnt have a code for the WMC remote? |
| [07:37:33] | kormoc: | which lirc allows you to use to control your computer... |
| [07:37:41] | justinh: | I can remember the last time I had my car serviced, the last time I had my hair cut but not the last time I changed the batteries in my remote |
| [07:37:47] | wagnerrp: | your remote is not programmable? (meaning you feed it individual IR codes) |
| [07:37:51] | purefusion: | no, it's around 6 years old now |
| [07:38:04] | justinh: | remotes have been programmable longer than that |
| [07:38:15] | justinh: | my universal remote is one of those 'JP1' jobbies |
| [07:38:25] | purefusion: | but the WMC codes didn't exist back then |
| [07:38:33] | justinh: | I made a cable & can now totally customise it with a PC program |
| [07:38:48] | kormoc: | have you tried? |
| [07:39:04] | ** [R] loves his jp1 ** | |
| [07:39:27] | justinh: | purefusion: you might be able to set your uni. remote to a different device where all of the buttons are used (not all are on all profiles), then learn the codes with the MCE remote receiver |
| [07:39:29] | purefusion: | I had the kameleon 8 in 1 remote |
| [07:39:40] | justinh: | kameleon is JP1 :) |
| [07:39:40] | [R]: | purefusion: thats the one i have |
| [07:39:47] | purefusion: | oh yeah? |
| [07:39:52] | wagnerrp: | can the MCE receiver accept arbitrary codes? |
| [07:39:59] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea |
| [07:40:09] | justinh: | wagnerrp: some can. some are hard-coded |
| [07:40:27] | purefusion: | [R]: RadioShack branded, or something else? |
| [07:40:42] | [R]: | radioshack |
| [07:40:45] | justinh: | I've heard of people using irrecord with MCE remote kits |
| [07:40:49] | purefusion: | http://www.remotecentral.com/152133/photo01a.jpg |
| [07:41:11] | purefusion: | [R]: that's what I've got... how do you get the batteries to last longer than a month? :P |
| [07:41:16] | [R]: | mine's slightly diff than taht one |
| [07:41:22] | [R]: | purefusion: did you turn off the motion sensor? |
| [07:41:33] | purefusion: | ah, nope |
| [07:41:37] | justinh: | JP1 might be a bit of a PITA at first but it's WAY better than the lame crud software logitech have for their Harmony series :( |
| [07:41:46] | [R]: | but i have rechargables in it... i dont really know how long they last |
| [07:41:57] | [R]: | its a pain when they start dying... but once they are all charged back up... its fine |
| [07:41:59] | wagnerrp: | cant argue with that |
| [07:41:59] | purefusion: | I'll have to check into that |
| [07:42:09] | wagnerrp: | i love my harmony remotes, but the software is horrible |
| [07:42:21] | purefusion: | yeah, we stopped using ours because it kept dying |
| [07:42:27] | wagnerrp: | kept dying? |
| [07:42:33] | justinh: | [R]: rechargeables suck in remotes generally. they self-discharge more than the remote discharges em ;) |
| [07:42:34] | purefusion: | batteries didn't last long |
| [07:42:45] | [R]: | justinh: they are fine with me |
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| [07:43:05] | justinh: | more modern batteries are prolly ok |
| [07:43:20] | justinh: | don't see the point using rechargeables where the life is > 12 months anyway |
| [07:43:31] | [R]: | they drain like crazy in mine |
| [07:43:43] | wagnerrp: | its that backlight |
| [07:43:44] | purefusion: | I would probably have better luck with those duracell something or other camera batteries |
| [07:43:52] | wagnerrp: | and the fact that you cant use the remote without the light on |
| [07:43:57] | justinh: | heh |
| [07:44:00] | [R]: | the light is what makes it awesome |
| [07:44:20] | justinh: | meh |
| [07:44:37] | justinh: | wagnerrp: I still use my harmony 515 despite hating it |
| [07:44:41] | [R]: | but the battery compartment on my remote sucks to make it not condusive to jp1'ing |
| [07:44:44] | [R]: | so i use the modem upgrade |
| [07:45:37] | justinh: | need to rejig the arrow keys & stuff so they work faster |
| [07:45:37] | justinh: | rather than saving up all the repeated presses til 2 minutes after I've stopped pressing buttons |
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| [07:46:01] | justinh: | having a default inter-button delay of 500ms was just stupid IMHO |
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| [07:46:34] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i had to bump those down quite a bit |
| [07:46:44] | wagnerrp: | its a bit of a pain scrolling through menus on the defaults |
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| [07:46:54] | purefusion_: | arg |
| [07:47:01] | justinh: | even on the fastest settings it's still slower than my JP1 remote |
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| [07:47:13] | justinh: | but it has more buttons than the jp1 remote |
| [07:47:37] | justinh: | just wait til I'm done contextualising mythtv's menus to only need ONE menu button |
| [07:47:40] | [R]: | i really need to find a good button to map to the 'd' key for mythtv |
| [07:48:16] | purefusion: | my remote is one of the first versions of that type of remote |
| [07:48:22] | justinh: | and INFO can be reclaimed to replace DETAILS :) |
| [07:48:26] | purefusion: | think they still used EEPROM memory back then |
| [07:48:36] | justinh: | purefusion: they prolly still do |
| [07:48:40] | justinh: | flash is wasteful |
| [07:49:00] | justinh: | you can't just overwrite one location in flash. has to be done in a block |
| [07:49:11] | justinh: | but of a waste if you only wanna change one bit :P |
| [07:49:19] | wagnerrp: | chances are anything short of a harmony or a pronto is going to be using eeproms |
| [07:49:55] | justinh: | i2c eeproms are still very very big |
| [07:50:06] | justinh: | well not *big*, but they're still used a lot I mean :) |
| [07:51:22] | justinh: | now if the harmony software wasn't teh suck, and if it had proper device keys like the JP1 remote.... :D |
| [07:52:38] | wagnerrp: | what was the 3rd party harmony software for linux? |
| [07:52:55] | wagnerrp: | concordance |
| [07:53:59] | wagnerrp: | looks like its a library and a python GUI |
| [07:54:10] | wagnerrp: | still, a scripted UI has to be faster than a web app |
| [07:54:39] | justinh: | still very Heath Ledger though innit |
| [07:54:42] | wagnerrp: | im still disgusted that the configuration program is nothing more than a wrapper around IE |
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| [07:55:25] | justinh: | as in its natural state is dead & you have to mess about with computers to make it appear to do something |
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| [07:56:00] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [07:56:58] | wagnerrp: | im going to bed... |
| [07:57:09] | justinh: | oh wait – that'd be more like it dies half way through & you need to use computers to revive it |
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| [07:59:38] | purefusion: | aha, so I've got the 6-in-1 kameleon |
| [07:59:52] | purefusion: | 15–2133 |
| [08:00:59] | purefusion: | apparently I have to manually add a JP1 connector via some holes |
| [08:02:01] | purefusion: | sounds like a fun little project |
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| [08:03:27] | purefusion: | for the price I paid for the remote, I'm glad I might still be able to get some use out of it |
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| [08:38:37] | meek: | I have a problem, none of my recordings are deleting, is there any way of nuking all recordings? |
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| [08:41:10] | purserj: | truncate the table? |
| [08:42:52] | meek: | which table? |
| [08:43:06] | meek: | recorded? |
| [08:44:14] | meek: | ah, good, that seemed to work |
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| [09:42:32] | gandalfcome: | my mythfilldatabase is not running regularly. I always have to start it by hand. I'm using mythbuntu 9.04 |
| [09:43:52] | gandalfcome: | Also my epg-data-eu script only gets 7 days in advance. is that normal? |
| [09:44:25] | laga: | they might have reduced the amount of data users get in advance |
| [09:45:47] | gandalfcome: | laga: do you use epg-data-eu? |
| [09:46:00] | laga: | i use tv_grab_eu_epgdata |
| [09:49:23] | gandalfcome: | and you pay 18 eur per year? |
| [09:49:36] | laga: | no. i wrote the grabber so i get the subscription for free |
| [09:49:55] | gandalfcome: | laga: I just wanted to make sure that we are talking about the same thing. |
| [09:50:07] | gandalfcome: | laga: and do you get 7 days or more? |
| [09:50:10] | laga: | yep |
| [09:50:24] | gandalfcome: | laga: btw we are talking about germany. |
| [09:50:30] | gandalfcome: | laga: so you get how many days |
| [09:50:37] | laga: | i dont know. let me check |
| [09:50:42] | gandalfcome: | sorry to be so inquisitive ;-) |
| [09:59:25] | gandalfcome: | laga: is there a version out that detects daylight saving time? |
| [10:01:54] | laga: | gandalfcome: yes, the latest & greatest |
| [10:02:19] | gandalfcome: | laga: awesome, where do I download that? |
| [10:02:48] | laga: | xmltv.org ;) |
| [10:02:58] | laga: | you can just get the script from their CVS |
| [10:05:25] | gandalfcome: | the latest in the nightly gives a grabber error: http://www.xmltv.se/validator/nightly/ |
| [10:05:57] | gandalfcome: | also is there anyway to download without using cvs? |
| [10:07:41] | laga: | ёу цан довнлоад ит фром тхеир веб цвс |
| [10:08:32] | gandalfcome: | laga ? |
| [10:08:53] | gandalfcome: | i'm sorry can't read kyrriliic |
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| [10:09:31] | laga: | woah, that was freaky |
| [10:09:37] | laga: | you can download it from their web cvs |
| [10:10:49] | gandalfcome: | laga: the validator says yours doesnt work. is that true? |
| [10:11:51] | laga: | i assume their test PIN is expired |
| [10:16:45] | justinh: | how do epgdata deal with customers? Last time I looked at their site it wasn't clear how you sign up |
| [10:17:50] | laga: | i dont think they link a link on their main site. the sign up site is linked from the xmltv.org wiki |
| [10:18:02] | justinh: | handy :-\ |
| [10:18:22] | justinh: | do they not want more customers? ;-) |
| [10:18:52] | laga: | none of my business :) |
| [10:20:18] | justinh: | wish somebody would do something about the amount of time it takes firefox to start up |
| [10:20:19] | oobe: | changes in trunk and 22 fixes are starting to be different how long till new features in trunk end up in fixes or is everything in trunk from this point going to be in .23 |
| [10:20:44] | justinh: | the latter |
| [10:21:02] | justinh: | no new features in the 0.22 branch. that's why they call it FEATURE FREEZE |
| [10:22:33] | oobe: | ok |
| [10:23:06] | oobe: | i just noticed e.g avernards patch for audio setup's so that wont be in .22 |
| [10:23:25] | justinh: | its scope was too wide, or something like that |
| [10:24:20] | oobe: | i see |
| [10:25:41] | justinh: | don't think the variable size button stuff made it into the 0.22 branch either |
| [10:26:11] | justinh: | I might just update to trunk & skip 0.22 |
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| [10:27:15] | oobe: | i dont know anything about variable wide stuff? |
| [10:27:18] | oobe: | what is it |
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| [10:29:36] | justinh: | means items in buttonlists needn't all be the same size |
| [10:29:57] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [10:30:33] | oobe: | so that would be a feature for theme design rather than configurable in frontend |
| [10:30:44] | justinh: | yes |
| [10:30:57] | justinh: | as will be UI element rotation |
| [10:33:31] | oobe: | hmm i just got build errors on trunk |
| [10:33:40] | oobe: | somthing must of changed |
| [10:34:20] | justinh: | *have* changed |
| [10:34:54] | simonckenyon: | there is supposed to be a patch which adds SG to .iso playback – anyone know where it is or it's status? |
| [10:35:10] | justinh: | tried searching in trac? |
| [10:35:30] | simonckenyon: | i was told here that it did not get into trac – but will check |
| [10:35:57] | justinh: | probably in somebody like GreyFoxx's private collection ;-) |
| [10:35:58] | oobe: | its not too important as i should* be using fixes exclusivly |
| [10:36:12] | oobe: | but yeah i looked at trac |
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| [10:36:25] | oobe: | i think its this http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22440 |
| [10:37:25] | justinh: | heh I thought alphapulse was never supported in the qt painter |
| [10:37:50] | justinh: | but now it's been put right I remember seeing that when I was messing about with rotation |
| [10:38:47] | oobe: | i dont know what it means but i built trunk successfully farely close to that and it was fine |
| [10:38:58] | oobe: | plus it looks like it could require extra libs |
| [10:39:53] | ** justinh wishes qt 4.6 would hurry up ** | |
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| [10:42:30] | justinh: | oo the beta is out now |
| [10:42:50] | justinh: | today infact. weird coincidence |
| [10:43:18] | justinh: | release timetabled for Q4. Yeah baby |
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| [10:48:20] | justinh: | wonder how easily the 'animation' junk would just slot into mythui. might save a lot of wheel inventing |
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| [10:52:52] | oobe: | i wouldnt of thought it would be that easy |
| [10:53:08] | oobe: | would you still have to make each image one by one atleast |
| [10:53:32] | justinh: | huh? |
| [10:54:11] | justinh: | having seen some of the qt animation stuff it's just another class which bolts onto QImage etc |
| [10:54:26] | justinh: | themes will still have to be *drawn* :P |
| [10:54:32] | justinh: | and xml defined the old fashioned way |
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| [10:55:49] | oobe: | yeah thats what i thought |
| [10:56:17] | justinh: | it's not as if that's *hard* though |
| [10:56:24] | justinh: | not compared to *code* ! |
| [10:58:50] | justinh: | bloody hell jya – now incorporating 'proper' colourspace support.. nifty |
| [10:58:58] | oobe: | still tedious |
| [10:59:13] | justinh: | oobe: no, tedious is trying to do themes with GIMP |
| [10:59:33] | justinh: | or <shudder> photoshop :P |
| [11:00:16] | justinh: | if it didn't have to be a labour of love from somebody with attention to detail, we'd end up with thousands of SKINZ like winamp did :-\ |
| [11:00:18] | oobe: | but if you wanted to make your own animatations you would need somthing like gimp |
| [11:00:28] | justinh: | nah |
| [11:00:39] | justinh: | I've made my own animated icons in inkscape |
| [11:00:56] | justinh: | which BTW are *already* supported in mythtv, and have been for a long time |
| [11:01:25] | justinh: | I'm talking about *proper* animation. moving things around. expanding/collapsing things, stuff whizzing about |
| [11:01:41] | justinh: | not flashing, not flipping sequences of images :) |
| [11:02:22] | justinh: | also considering audio feedback. Beep boop. Plip ploop. HAaaa-Haaaaaaa |
| [11:03:31] | justinh: | oh wait Tivo patented the sounds of stools hitting water already |
| [11:05:04] | oobe: | lol |
| [11:07:09] | justinh: | never seen a tivo in real life, just assume the sounds used when TV shows feature them are the real thing |
| [11:09:09] | jya: | justinh: colorspace only for vdpau so far, will look at OpenGL one day... |
| [11:09:35] | oobe: | hey im never sure if vdpau is working when i check my logs |
| [11:10:15] | justinh: | I tried opengl video rendering once. wasn't sure it made any difference til mythfrontend crashed |
| [11:10:20] | oobe: | when i didnt have nvidia drivers installed correctly it produced error messages but now they are there is nothing in the logs to suggest im using vdpau |
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| [11:11:29] | justinh: | be nice one day to have the OSD scaled to the resolution of X rather than the video :) |
| [11:11:43] | justinh: | think I may have to invest in VDPAU if only for that |
| [11:11:49] | [Peter]: | justinh: you get that with opengl as well |
| [11:12:10] | justinh: | [Peter]: yeah when opengl rendering works, which it doesn't on Intel gear AFAIK |
| [11:12:21] | justinh: | and I've heard it's touch & go on nvidia even |
| [11:12:40] | [Peter]: | ah, intel. nothing works on intel anyway |
| [11:12:48] | [Peter]: | you just end up with tearing at best |
| [11:12:52] | justinh: | lol. not sure it's that bad |
| [11:13:09] | justinh: | I got playback non-tearing with a combination of code & driver hacking |
| [11:13:43] | justinh: | still evident mythfrontend is switching modes for playback though :-\ |
| [11:13:54] | jya: | OpenGL has the 2nd best deinterlacers imho. |
| [11:13:59] | justinh: | despite it being told not to. it's prolly driver related |
| [11:14:33] | [Peter]: | jya: yeah, I always use opengl as a fallback when I get a build with broken VDPAU |
| [11:14:44] | jya: | justin: no problem with opengl here with nvidia video, as long as you stay on OpenGL 1.2 only |
| [11:14:58] | justinh: | like, I've got my GUI scaled to the corners of the screen but on exiting playback I see the gui is offset for a bit before being restored |
| [11:15:35] | [Peter]: | justinh: must be something myth is doing. I don't see the driver switching the mode by itself |
| [11:15:36] | justinh: | I use xrandr to compensate for overscan in my xinit |
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| [11:15:51] | jya: | OpenGL let you apply a matrix for the colorspace conversion, so it's all done in HW as well, so supporting studio level shoudln't be too hard technically, mplayer already does it |
| [11:16:01] | justinh: | so why would it switch modes when it's not supposed to? |
| [11:16:24] | jya: | how would xrandr plays with overscan? |
| [11:16:32] | [Peter]: | jya: I'd love studio levels in myth.. |
| [11:16:51] | justinh: | jya: intel drivers use it to set registers on the tv encoder :-\ |
| [11:16:56] | jya: | [peter] it's there now if using VDPAU |
| [11:17:18] | [Peter]: | jya: it is? how do you enable it? |
| [11:17:32] | justinh: | jya: you mess with size, position, bright/contrast/colour/hue & then the changes are implemented on a mode change. it sucks |
| [11:17:59] | jya: | justinh: did you activate the mode where you use a different resolution between gui and playback? |
| [11:18:13] | justinh: | jya: I used to use that but I reverted to not doing that |
| [11:18:16] | jya: | [Peter]: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22431 |
| [11:18:45] | [Peter]: | jya: awesome, thanks |
| [11:19:11] | [Peter]: | no more digging into the OSD-menu on the projector while switching source any more. |
| [11:19:16] | jya: | because, if you do and set the refresh rate to 0 (the default) now myth change the refresh rate to match the video being played automatically |
| [11:19:26] | justinh: | GuiSizeForTV is 0 |
| [11:19:53] | jya: | that's the only thing that could make mythtv call xrandr |
| [11:19:53] | justinh: | also used to set it to change modes for video playback to keep the aspect right |
| [11:20:21] | jya: | it's if you have different mode between gui and playback |
| [11:20:34] | justinh: | there's sadly not enough adjustment in the intel driver to make the screen fit the TV properly |
| [11:20:50] | justinh: | unlike ATI apparently |
| [11:20:57] | justinh: | I know I could just buy a new TV |
| [11:21:15] | jya: | I ditched the intel GPU long time ago when OpenGL vsync isn;'t even supported |
| [11:21:33] | jya: | with ATI, the overscan configuration was a nightmare for me |
| [11:21:43] | jya: | if I changed it, save the settings |
| [11:21:55] | jya: | then reboot, the kernel would crash |
| [11:22:09] | [Peter]: | sounds like ATI alright |
| [11:22:21] | jya: | I would need to reboot in single user mode, reset the overscan settings, then reboot again until the next time |
| [11:22:32] | [Peter]: | the interesting part is that their windows drivers usually are equally bad |
| [11:22:35] | jya: | nvidia drivers 190.36 have restored an overscan settings |
| [11:22:48] | justinh: | ugh |
| [11:22:52] | jya: | you need the newer nvidia-settings 190.36 to play with it |
| [11:23:18] | justinh: | overscan adjustment is all well & good but next to no use if you can't adjust horizontal & vertical separately |
| [11:23:24] | jya: | you can compensate the overscan, up to 50 pixels both way I believe (nvidia will change to 100 with the next version) |
| [11:24:00] | justinh: | maybe our telly will die soon, prompting a splurge on a new one |
| [11:24:14] | jya: | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2091962 |
| [11:24:25] | jya: | Add a new OverscanCompensation NV-CONTROL attribute, available on GeForce 8 and higher. This option specifies the amount of overscan compensation to apply to the current mode. It is measured in raster pixels, i.e. pixels as specified in the current mode's backend timings. |
| [11:24:35] | justinh: | don't see the point when there's no free HD worth having in the UK yet |
| [11:24:58] | [Peter]: | justinh: you'll get better looking menus? |
| [11:25:31] | justinh: | meh |
| [11:25:38] | [Peter]: | :D |
| [11:26:13] | justinh: | compared to STB GUIs I've seen mythtv's UI is a Michaelangelo |
| [11:26:30] | justinh: | even GNAT |
| [11:26:53] | [Peter]: | GNAT makes me want to poke my eyes out with a spoon.. |
| [11:27:51] | justinh: | wonder if my stupid code patch will still apply when I get around to picking it up again |
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| [11:41:43] | justinh: | dear lord. just been sent a link to a youtube video – a clip of a TV show recorded on somebody's phone camera. Sheesh. Why even bother with tuner cards? set a camera up in front of the telly on a timer! |
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| [11:50:51] | oobe: | justinh, trunk builds fine again after the next revision |
| [11:52:17] | oobe: | people do that all the time on youtube |
| [11:52:20] | oobe: | its funny |
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| [12:00:11] | oobe: | this site is free and legal http://www.archive.org/details/night_of_the_living_dead_dvd |
| [12:03:04] | oobe: | everything on the site is either expired in copyright or they have the copyright owners permission |
| [12:03:26] | justinh: | just been MMS'd a pic of a painting 'for the livingroom'. How best to tell my wife "No, it's absolutely awful".. hmmm |
| [12:04:30] | justinh: | everything is a wrong answer, btw ;-) |
| [12:05:20] | oobe: | lol it is if she painted it herself |
| [12:06:17] | justinh: | I don't think any 'art' shops sell is suitable for sentient human beings |
| [12:08:23] | justinh: | certainly not when it's "only £7" |
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| [12:16:15] | quicksilver: | surely the correct answer is "yes dear lovely dear" |
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| [12:17:48] | oobe: | your just saying that |
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| [12:18:19] | oobe: | if you dont like it i would rather you just say so |
| [12:19:28] | gsommer: | wow, I was just looking at the active tickets for 0.22... seems like it's really close to a release soon! Maybe it was about time I backuped my mediecenter – and installed 0.22 :P |
| [12:24:06] | justinh: | there is no 0.22 yet |
| [12:24:12] | justinh: | god how many more times? |
| [12:24:36] | jduggan: | but the ircz sed tuesdayz! |
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| [12:29:09] | oobe: | http://www.mythtv.org/ home page will say current release .22 instead of .21 as soon as its official i guess |
| [12:29:42] | justinh: | no guessing about it |
| [12:31:09] | oobe: | i had a look at linhes yesterday |
| [12:31:45] | oobe: | i was impressed with the setup and how during install you can select your remote which comes with pictures |
| [12:32:21] | oobe: | that would be real handy for a lot of users |
| [12:32:42] | justinh: | remote configuration is not mythtv's responsibility IMHO |
| [12:33:20] | oobe: | its not but linhes is an all in one distro |
| [12:33:25] | justinh: | still doesn't get over the initial hurdle most users have – of actually making lirc work |
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| [12:35:07] | oobe: | im sure it would work i didnt test it the problem for users would be modifying the defaults in lircrc |
| [12:35:13] | justinh: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/whoops.mpg – forgot I did that. heh |
| [12:38:50] | gsommer: | justinh: I know there's no 0.22 yeat... But the current snapshot is really close to the final release – so as I pointed out – it might be a good time to upgrade now... |
| [12:40:12] | justinh: | no, it branched a short while ago |
| [12:40:22] | justinh: | it'd be wiser to wait for the release |
| [12:44:37] | [Peter]: | jya: I guess your studio levels patch won't make it into 0.22? |
| [12:45:10] | jya: | probably not |
| [12:47:44] | justinh: | seeing as they'd be classed as features :) |
| [12:47:51] | sid3windr: | studio levels? |
| [12:48:14] | justinh: | nobody's willing to make tenuous stretches of definitions nowadays ;-) |
| [12:48:22] | justinh: | sid3windr: gamut :) |
| [12:48:46] | justinh: | peak black & white min/max levels |
| [12:49:03] | sid3windr: | ahh |
| [12:49:11] | sid3windr: | somehow I was thinking sound instead of video :) |
| [12:49:31] | justinh: | Surprised HDTV didn't junk the old SMPTE et all benchmarks for that |
| [12:49:50] | justinh: | I guess broadcast levels still apply everywhere |
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| [13:03:37] | justinh: | ugh. our wiki at work is down,just when I really need it |
| [13:05:15] | mag0o: | justinh: its working here |
| [13:05:18] | justinh: | serves em right for having it hosted off-site |
| [13:05:22] | mag0o: | (assuming myth wiki) |
| [13:05:38] | justinh: | OUR wiki at WORK |
| [13:06:09] | justinh: | as in the lame cobbled together pages of misinformation where the latest software releases are hosted from :-\ |
| [13:06:17] | justinh: | oh wait, like that differentiates it |
| [13:06:29] | mag0o: | lol |
| [13:06:37] | oobe: | justinh, was the woops mpg meant to do that it looks like it but its called woops |
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| [13:07:41] | justinh: | it's a mockup I did a long, long time ago |
| [13:08:01] | oobe: | a bit like xbmc |
| [13:08:13] | justinh: | p'ting! |
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| [13:08:58] | justinh: | hmmm none of the group hostnames are resolving. ADSL must be down |
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| [13:09:27] | justinh: | lame. keep telling people that we need a local copy onsite but NO the CEO wants it all hosted over there |
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| [13:10:33] | justinh: | probably fiddles tax through charging each of the child companies for using the data |
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| [13:17:28] | tmkt: | morning |
| [13:17:55] | bryan|away is now known as resno | |
| [13:18:07] | resno: | hello everyone. |
| [13:18:11] | tmkt: | any good/cheap atsc tuners out there good for a second tuner |
| [13:18:41] | mag0o: | mornin resno |
| [13:18:45] | justinh: | same old same old. look on the linuxtv.org wiki |
| [13:18:47] | resno: | i have a confession to make, and im sure everyone will get a kick |
| [13:19:16] | resno: | mag0o: as i was playing with acpi last night, i kinda killed my install |
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| [13:19:51] | mag0o: | chalk it up to learning :) |
| [13:20:13] | justinh: | how can you kill an install playing with acpi? |
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| [13:20:44] | resno: | i am not sure what i did. but chown of a file that i made and i suppose that did it. |
| [13:21:17] | resno: | i kinda diverged from the guide, in hopes to get it working. |
| [13:21:39] | tmkt: | sure thing |
| [13:21:46] | resno: | i actually went through the guide and it wasnt working, so i i started my own hacks. LOL |
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| [13:23:35] | resno: | so i downloaded mythbunutu. so i will run that instead. |
| [13:24:11] | resno: | its a good thing i hadnt started recording real shows on it. wife would have been mad. |
| [13:29:06] | tmkt: | why is that? |
| [13:29:10] | tmkt: | can backup/restore now |
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| [13:35:55] | justinh: | http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/a181956/s . . . -seance.html hahahahaha |
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| [13:44:03] | justinh: | oh yeah! how to brick a ******** ***** DVR: change a config setting |
| [13:44:39] | mag0o: | hehe |
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| [13:45:19] | resno: | i know i didnt brick it to bad. just a change chown a file. maybe i should try fixing it... what do i have to lose? |
| [13:46:08] | justinh: | resno: nah, the crap I have to work with here. 'Pro' CCTV gear :( |
| [13:46:41] | resno: | justinh: ah, sounds like fun |
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| [13:49:40] | justinh: | ffs. now the terminal program can't open com1 |
| [13:50:20] | justinh: | please check the port settings. yeah nothing else is even using it |
| [13:53:56] | resno: | maybe restart it? that always seems to make it things worse or better... |
| [13:54:13] | tmkt: | does mythlcdserver work with LCDd or instead of? |
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| [14:01:42] | adante: | hm |
| [14:02:13] | adante: | can someone recommend a windows media player that can play the recordings produced by mythtv? by which i mean the mpg and transcoded nuv (mpeg4) ? |
| [14:02:17] | simonckenyon: | tmkt: with it |
| [14:02:52] | simonckenyon: | adante: what have you tried? |
| [14:03:21] | adante: | simonckenyon: vlc, media player classic, zplayer, smplayer |
| [14:03:37] | simonckenyon: | adante: and what happened? |
| [14:04:13] | adante: | simonckenyon: vlc/mpg: sometimes no audio, sometimes seeking goes crazy |
| [14:04:26] | adante: | simonckenyon: vlc/nuv: seeking is very erratic, tends to just end |
| [14:04:44] | adante: | simonckenyon: mpc/mpg: seeking very erratic, if it loads at all |
| [14:04:49] | adante: | mpc/nuv: doesn't load |
| [14:04:57] | adante: | zplayer/mpg: works pretty good :] |
| [14:05:01] | adante: | zplayer/nuv: doesn't load |
| [14:05:10] | adante: | smplayer/mpg: seeking erratic |
| [14:05:11] | simonckenyon: | adante: and what happens when you play the same recordings with vlc on *nix? ie. on the box you recorded them on |
| [14:05:15] | adante: | smplayer/nuv: seeking erratic |
| [14:05:31] | adante: | not sure, i'll go try now |
| [14:08:43] | adante: | simonckenyon: seeks slowly, but seems to work :] |
| [14:09:28] | simonckenyon: | is poor seeking not a property of nuv? |
| [14:10:04] | adante: | who knows, mythtv seems to seek ok |
| [14:10:17] | adante: | when i say vlc/nuv seeking is very erratic, i mean if i try to seek, sometimes it just closes the file |
| [14:11:13] | simonckenyon: | see http://www.sudu.dk/mythtvplayer/forum/42 – not sure how accurate it is |
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| [14:11:56] | justinh: | resno: restarting it didn't work. nor did power cycling the machine |
| [14:12:15] | simonckenyon: | type "nuv mythtv seek" at google |
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| [14:12:47] | justinh: | I think the windows install on this machine is screwed. time to reinstall |
| [14:13:28] | resno: | justinh: it uses windows, im sorry |
| [14:13:51] | adante: | lol ok, so just snafu i guess |
| [14:14:50] | justinh: | I hate this company. I hate my job but most of all I hate the products I have to put up with |
| [14:15:18] | rwat: | justinh: what do you do? |
| [14:15:30] | rwat: | don't tell me you're the boss ;-) |
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| [14:16:00] | justinh: | as little as possible :P |
| [14:16:14] | resno: | justinh: thats the ticket |
| [14:16:32] | justinh: | but when I do have stuff to do..oh boy |
| [14:16:54] | rwat: | sysadmin type stuff? |
| [14:16:58] | resno: | isnt that the worse, when actually have to do something. |
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| [14:17:13] | rwat: | I even hate making my own coffee |
| [14:17:53] | OmniCitadel: | greetings, I have a weird issue with the listing guide showing "unavailable" in the front end and "no data" in the web interface. Any suggestions would be greately appreciated. I have looked at all the logs and everything looks good, the db password has not changed, and I have clearned the program table, deleted the capture, and what not but nothing. This is a fresh install |
| [14:18:03] | justinh: | rwat: yes & no. |
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| [14:22:42] | j-rod: | how incredibly boring. the antec veris elite Just Worked(tm) right out of the box when I plugged it in. |
| [14:23:31] | iamlindoro: | You definitely do not have a windows/OS X user's definition of boring |
| [14:24:32] | sid3windr: | SO IS IT OUT YET |
| [14:25:11] | iamlindoro: | Nah, we canceled it |
| [14:25:21] | iamlindoro: | We'll jump straight to .23 in early '10 |
| [14:26:43] | sid3windr: | what's this, foxtv? |
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| [14:31:51] | justinh: | whee another unit successfully bricked just by putting config settings onto it :D |
| [14:31:58] | ** justinh blames the software ** | |
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| [14:34:35] | resno: | its always the software... just like my linux install crashed... it wasnt the software ;) |
| [14:34:41] | resno: | i mean it was... |
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| [14:36:23] | jduggan: | pebkac |
| [14:36:42] | resno: | you get asked alot about .22. im not a dev and getting annoyed |
| [14:38:00] | jduggan: | what do you expect, youre in an irc support channel |
| [14:40:07] | resno: | i expect support questions... not when are you releasing such and such. thats not a support related question. |
| [14:40:07] | Lunar_Lamp: | As a general rule, are the mac-mini's good frontend kit? |
| [14:40:36] | jduggan: | some say yes, others say diaf |
| [14:40:45] | Lunar_Lamp: | I want to be able to do HD output on something small and quiet basically. |
| [14:40:58] | jduggan: | as a general rule, if it meets your requirements its good enough |
| [14:41:01] | jduggan: | :P |
| [14:41:02] | Lunar_Lamp: | I'm willing to pay a little bit extra so I don't have the hassle of building a box myself. |
| [14:41:27] | iamlindoro: | The current revision of mac mini makes a great frontend-- the prior ones make OK frontends but don't have great GPUs |
| [14:41:58] | Lunar_Lamp: | iamlindoro: how can I tell if a shop is selling the current revision or an older one? |
| [14:42:08] | Lunar_Lamp: | i.e. what is the distinguishing feature I need to pay attention to? |
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| [14:42:24] | iamlindoro: | nvidia 9xxx graphics |
| [14:42:25] | jams: | the video card |
| [14:42:34] | jams: | old ones had intel new ones have nvidia |
| [14:43:00] | Lunar_Lamp: | OK, and even the 1gb of RAM, 2.0GHz processor boxes are powerful enough? |
| [14:43:05] | j-rod: | prior gen are generally good enough for mpeg2 hdtv, notsomuch for h.264, unless aided with a hardware decoder card that mythtv doesn't support (yet) |
| [14:43:22] | Lunar_Lamp: | (I've been running mythtv as a combined front/backend on my server which has a lto of power to spare, so no real idea what is required) |
| [14:43:58] | j-rod: | I'd personally want more than 1GB of RAM, but the cpu is more than enough in the nvidia mac mini |
| [14:44:41] | j-rod: | but 1GB should be mostly fine |
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| [14:44:56] | j-rod: | high-res themes loaded down with fanart will suck it up in a hurry though |
| [14:44:58] | Lunar_Lamp: | I guess I can always upgrade the ram relatively easily if required. |
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| [14:52:42] | justinh: | wheeeeheeeheeee bricked another one |
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| [14:55:05] | justinh: | software guy is adamant there's nothing wrong with the flash write routine |
| [14:55:42] | justinh: | well, nothing – apart from the fact it has no sanity checking & willingly overflows addresses if an uploaded file is too big. LOL |
| [14:56:10] | justinh: | king muppets |
| [14:56:55] | resno: | how many have you knocked offline so far? |
| [14:57:13] | justinh: | two, but the problem is in the main app |
| [14:58:09] | justinh: | e.g. bootloader is at 0x08000000 config data starts at 0x0a000000 & the flash writer is exceeding boundaries a bit :P |
| [14:58:45] | resno: | i imagine you arent using an open source platform.. |
| [14:58:47] | resno: | ;) |
| [14:58:48] | OmniCitadel: | greetings, I have a weird issue with the listing guide showing "unavailable" in the front end and "no data" in the web interface. Any suggestions would be greately appreciated. I have looked at all the logs and everything looks good, the db password has not changed, and I have clearned the program table, deleted the capture, and what not but nothing. This is a fresh install |
| [14:58:51] | justinh: | s'ok we can JTAG them to unbrick em |
| [14:58:57] | justinh: | resno: ECOS :-( |
| [14:59:21] | resno: | they have a support thingy you try? |
| [14:59:35] | justinh: | resno: nothing to do with me. that's for the softies to sort out |
| [14:59:44] | justinh: | and it's prolly loccally hacked anyway |
| [15:00:13] | resno: | ah, now im curious what your part of the work is |
| [15:00:23] | justinh: | we just have to deal with the problems they cause every day |
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| [15:01:19] | justinh: | I build & configure prototype machines & pre-production units |
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| [15:04:31] | justinh: | and do cable drawings in CAD, environmental testing,component specs... gofering... lol |
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| [15:07:10] | resno: | i thought you were going to say a security camera watcher or something |
| [15:08:23] | justinh: | lol. like any of those guys would have a clue where to start |
| [15:08:40] | justinh: | we have a hard enough time getting *installers* clued up on IP stuff |
| [15:09:21] | justinh: | those are the kind of guys who come to us after upgrading a DVR to a colour model complaining the images are still black & white |
| [15:09:40] | justinh: | note -they shoulda upgraded the cameras to colour too |
| [15:10:15] | justinh: | and the kind of people who ring tech support to ask how much a unit weighs – and then how much it'll weigh when the HDD is full. You can't make it up |
| [15:18:47] | resno: | really? when the hdd is full? |
| [15:19:03] | resno: | thats rich |
| [15:20:03] | justinh: | really |
| [15:20:32] | justinh: | it's easy to forget just how green 'ordinary' people are :P |
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| [15:24:41] | AndyCap: | what can you expect from people who believe Elvis lives, homeopathic medicine works, and that your computer is the monitor and the hardrive is the case. |
| [15:25:13] | justinh: | aha. the docs are wrong. telling me to use the wrong jffs2 image for this rev of board. king wikis |
| [15:25:28] | justinh: | nah, hard drive is the memory! |
| [15:25:40] | rwat: | how much does a hdd weight when it is full? |
| [15:26:02] | justinh: | ask a guy who works on CSI :P |
| [15:26:27] | rwat: | if someone asked me that I would have to make up some bullshit |
| [15:26:42] | JohnyNorth: | thinking about building a HTPC not sure if I want to go PC windows 7 or Mac Mini. Any thoughts? |
| [15:26:45] | AndyCap: | Mauve has the most ram |
| [15:27:01] | justinh: | he'll tell you just after he's done zooming into a reflection on somebody's watch from 100 yards away on an NTSC camera, dewarp it & de-pixellate it |
| [15:27:13] | rwat: | M0 + 0.5*M1*(C1/C0)*c^2 |
| [15:27:19] | justinh: | JohnyNorth: and this has to do with mythtv WHAT exactly? |
| [15:27:48] | rwat: | JohnyNorth: I love Mac Minis – mine has ubuntu on it |
| [15:27:49] | justinh: | you should probably stick with Windows |
| [15:27:50] | JohnyNorth: | well I want to use mythtv sw |
| [15:27:55] | justinh: | stick with windows |
| [15:27:57] | AndyCap: | you mean this isn't MyHTtv? |
| [15:27:58] | JohnyNorth: | OK thanks |
| [15:28:07] | justinh: | go use MediaPortal |
| [15:28:19] | justinh: | I mean if you have to ask that in a mythtv (LINUX DVR) channel... ffs |
| [15:28:34] | JohnyNorth: | opps sorry |
| [15:28:46] | rwat: | I think you can be all mac these days |
| [15:28:54] | JohnyNorth: | 1st tyme visitor |
| [15:28:57] | justinh: | you might wanna learn how to spell 'oops' too :P |
| [15:29:00] | justinh: | and 'time' |
| [15:29:12] | rwat: | JohnyNorth: anyway, welcome :) |
| [15:29:14] | justinh: | linux isn't very forgiving about spelling mistakes |
| [15:29:26] | resno: | JohnyNorth: this runs only on linux. |
| [15:29:28] | AndyCap: | and where your flame-retardant underwear is |
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| [15:29:55] | justinh: | especially if you get confused where a slash should go :P |
| [15:30:12] | oobe: | JohnyNorth, theres no reason why you cant install mythtv and linux |
| [15:30:13] | resno: | hah those pesky slashes can kill yo |
| [15:30:25] | AndyCap: | especially on the neck |
| [15:30:28] | oobe: | there are installs that are pretty straight forward |
| [15:30:30] | justinh: | oobe: there is every reason. read the first question again |
| [15:30:39] | oobe: | no i scrolled |
| [15:31:02] | oobe: | theres no need to be rude to him he is trying to learn |
| [15:31:10] | justinh: | certainly trying |
| [15:31:11] | JohnyNorth: | :) |
| [15:31:12] | resno: | if you have no expeince with linux it may be take some time to learn/ get use to. |
| [15:31:42] | resno: | JohnyNorth: first question: have you bought any hardware yet? |
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| [15:31:53] | justinh: | if you have zero experience with linux, it may be some time before your aptitude is at a level where you'll be competent enough to install mythtv |
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| [15:31:55] | JohnyNorth: | not yet |
| [15:31:56] | resno: | ie) tuner card |
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| [15:32:16] | JohnyNorth: | looking at hdhomerun tuner |
| [15:32:16] | justinh: | good luck walking this guy through every single step of the install process |
| [15:32:29] | ** JohnyNorth slaps justinh around a bit with Tux, the Linux penguin ** | |
| [15:32:37] | resno: | !trout justinh |
| [15:32:37] | ** MythLogBot slaps justinh with a trout on behalf of resno... ** | |
| [15:32:41] | justinh: | good job tux is a plush toy |
| [15:32:43] | resno: | :D |
| [15:32:46] | justinh: | and flammable |
| [15:32:52] | ** justinh sets fire to tux ** | |
| [15:32:53] | ** AndyCap grabs a chair ** | |
| [15:33:07] | justinh: | always hated that retarded looking penguin |
| [15:33:33] | iamlindoro: | I just wish all the myth folks knew what OSS was about |
| [15:33:36] | justinh: | resno: prove me wrong :P |
| [15:33:38] | resno: | JohnyNorth: in any case, getting myth to work takes time and patience and requires you read the docs. |
| [15:33:42] | JohnyNorth: | ok I'll stop back another tyme when they make justinh an op |
| [15:33:55] | iamlindoro: | Which is, of course, bending to the whim of every user that walks in and voting on everything because of KOMMUNITEH! |
| [15:34:00] | justinh: | JohnyNorth: I had +v but gave it back |
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| [15:34:36] | justinh: | come on guys- you'd be spoon-feeding that one forever |
| [15:34:40] | oobe: | JohnyNorth, checkout http://www.linhes.org/ or http://mythbuntu.org/ |
| [15:34:46] | resno: | he already left |
| [15:35:02] | justinh: | LMGTFY.com ftw |
| [15:35:25] | justinh: | if I scared him away from using mythtv, it saved him the job of reading the docs |
| [15:36:53] | resno: | in actuality my install was quite easy. maybe i already knew how to config it, but seemed simple enough. |
| [15:37:06] | resno: | i couldnt get mp to work for the life of me. |
| [15:37:19] | resno: | and their irc lines are less then helpful |
| [15:37:29] | meshe: | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=justinh+mythtv |
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| [15:39:17] | meshe: | justinh: you're number 1 |
| [15:39:19] | meshe: | http://jmeyer.us/stats/' |
| [15:39:21] | meshe: | http://jmeyer.us/stats/ |
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| [15:41:15] | resno: | sweet, im up there |
| [15:44:05] | iamlindoro: | only for being the last to use a smiley before the indexing ran ;) |
| [15:44:44] | iamlindoro: | ah, directhex, he's been gone a while |
| [15:45:01] | iamlindoro: | got angry out of the blue one day and never came back |
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| [15:49:20] | jams: | heh somebody used the stats page |
| [15:49:25] | jams: | nice |
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| [15:54:31] | meshe: | it showed up in google |
| [15:56:19] | jams: | no kidding? |
| [15:56:49] | jams: | sure did |
| [15:56:57] | jams: | wow google is scary at times |
| [15:57:16] | jams: | that url has only been mentioned here |
| [15:57:23] | jams: | and nothing on my sites link to it |
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| [16:01:41] | meshe: | i googled: meshe mythtv |
| [16:03:19] | oobe: | does "Video Tree remembers last selected position" work for other people using trunk? |
| [16:03:59] | GreyFoxx: | Nope, |
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| [16:04:28] | oobe: | is there a ticket i cant seem to find one |
| [16:04:38] | GreyFoxx: | Not sure |
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| [16:05:03] | wagnerrp: | sphery: there you go... almost the same number of lines, but youve got 42% more words |
| [16:05:11] | MTughan: | Can the Myth frontend zoom/crop a picture on the fly? I've got a 16:9 movie stored in 4:3, but it's playing on a 16:10 screen. |
| [16:05:13] | wagnerrp: | i told you you were too wordy |
| [16:05:42] | GreyFoxx: | oobe: I don't remember there being a ticket for it |
| [16:05:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: where? |
| [16:05:50] | meshe: | http://jmeyer.us/stats/ |
| [16:05:53] | wagnerrp: | jams' stats site |
| [16:05:58] | GreyFoxx: | But if you look at just tickets for mythvideo you should be able to tell quickly |
| [16:06:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, I am not smrt nuff for long words |
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| [16:07:05] | iamlindoro: | Feature was never rewritten for MythUI as far as I know-- a ticket will probably need to include a patch if someone wants to see something done about it |
| [16:07:13] | sphery: | that's actually very sad that I'm that high on the list... |
| [16:07:24] | iamlindoro: | Otherwise I'll likely just remove the setting |
| [16:07:43] | sphery: | death to all settings! |
| [16:07:51] | oobe: | GreyFoxx, how do you filter mythvideo only tickets |
| [16:08:21] | GreyFoxx: | in svhttp://svn.mythtv.org/trac/report/11 |
| [16:08:25] | wagnerrp: | 'nice opers here, no one got kicked'.... whats the time range for that? |
| [16:08:36] | GreyFoxx: | That will give them to you sorted by component |
| [16:08:40] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Think it's just the 24 hour period |
| [16:08:42] | GreyFoxx: | just look through for the mythvideo section |
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| [16:09:27] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, oobe: See above, there is some stub ode remaining form the MythUI port, but it has never worked since-- a ticket will need a patch if someone wants it back |
| [16:09:32] | iamlindoro: | stub code |
| [16:09:35] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you REALLY like that one ML link |
| [16:10:00] | wagnerrp: | from six years ago |
| [16:10:04] | oobe: | iamlindoro, ok i see |
| [16:10:37] | iamlindoro: | I mean, feel free to open a ticket, but it would likely sit there until I decide to remove the setting instead someday :) |
| [16:11:05] | sphery: | wagnerrp: one from 6 years ago? |
| [16:11:31] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if thats just counting up all references to gossamer-threads, and just picked up that particular URL as the first one mentioned |
| [16:11:56] | wagnerrp: | misread it, you were just the last one to link to it |
| [16:12:00] | wagnerrp: | (near the bottom) |
| [16:12:01] | sphery: | ahhh, though it's really from 2 yrs ago |
| [16:12:22] | sphery: | the link is broken--the # is escaped to %23 |
| [16:12:33] | sphery: | er, #26 |
| [16:12:38] | wagnerrp: | someone necrobumped it after 4 years? |
| [16:12:50] | sphery: | it's really: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [16:12:52] | sphery: | yep |
| [16:12:54] | sphery: | not I |
| [16:13:17] | sphery: | seems http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264003#264003 |
| [16:13:31] | jams: | wagnerrp- about the kick..it's a problem with the parsing. It doesn't pick it up |
| [16:13:48] | jams: | something about xchat2 format being stupid |
| [16:13:54] | wagnerrp: | it must have gotten crossed with another thread of the same name |
| [16:14:09] | sphery: | yeah |
| [16:14:19] | sphery: | broken threading |
| [16:15:06] | jams: | i really wish it did work, but as the program is perl I will not be fixing it. |
| [16:16:13] | sphery: | wouldn't the /proper/ fix be switching to a real IRC client, like irssi? |
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| [16:18:01] | meshe: | turn full logging on and parse the logs |
| [16:19:45] | jams: | sphery- heh xchat has been good to me |
| [16:20:00] | jams: | better then mirc! |
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| [16:20:19] | wagnerrp: | well you do have to pay for mirc |
| [16:20:44] | meshe: | i have nearly complete logs for both this and the dev channel back to : --- Log opened Wed Jul 08 16:46:39 2009 |
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| [16:36:26] | Josh_Borke: | apparently mythlogbot has logs back to 2005 |
| [16:37:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but mythlogbot gets URLs hosed as well |
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| [16:51:57] | wagnerrp: | anyone else having problems with ttvdb.py in recent trunk? |
| [16:52:31] | wagnerrp: | it recently started complaining it couldnt find the tvdb library |
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| [16:53:09] | iamlindoro: | works fine here w/ current trunk |
| [16:53:47] | iamlindoro: | tested just now w/ all the functions I could remember off the top of my head |
| [16:53:54] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: I have not updated in a day or two due to a issue with Internal player and Miro videos which is now fixed. Please pastebin me an abort. |
| [16:54:02] | wagnerrp: | its not liking one of the changes to cache.py |
| [16:54:17] | wagnerrp: | syntax error on line 68 |
| [16:54:45] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what it is... thats the correct syntax, but ive seen it fail before in other places |
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| [16:55:08] | iamlindoro: | yours is unmodified? I'm seeing no such error here |
| [16:55:32] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: pastebin please |
| [16:55:56] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i even deleted my script directory, and copied out of my svn co to make sure |
| [16:56:45] | wagnerrp: | only change was i added an extra 'raise' in ttvdb.py so i could see the actual error |
| [16:56:58] | wagnerrp: | mythtv.pastebin.ca/1619921 |
| [16:57:02] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: thanks |
| [16:57:40] | GlemSom: | for some odd reason, MythTV always crashes when watching recordings from a Discovery channel (tested Discovery World, and Science... Which is what I currently have). Mythfrontend.log -> http://pastebin.com/m659686ac sample file- > http://www.uberatomic.com/glemsom/test.mpeg Could anyone else with mythtv-0.21-fixes see if this happends on their system aswell? Or if this is isolated to my sytem only? |
| [16:57:45] | iamlindoro: | hmm, same query works fine here |
| [16:58:18] | iamlindoro: | different python versions, perhaps? |
| [16:58:35] | wagnerrp: | very possibly |
| [16:58:36] | iamlindoro: | 2.6.4 here |
| [16:58:44] | wagnerrp: | that syntax *should* work |
| [16:58:47] | wagnerrp: | im running 2.5 |
| [16:58:56] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: I get an error with that pastebin link "Sorry, an error has occurred. Reason: That is an invalid ID, or the post has expired." |
| [16:59:07] | wagnerrp: | i saw similar code fail on one of the 2.4 machines at work |
| [16:59:15] | sphery: | GlemSom: can you get a good backtrace – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging ? |
| [16:59:38] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1619921 |
| [17:00:22] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: v 2.6.2 here |
| [17:00:46] | sphery: | GlemSom: or, since it's 0.21-fixes, is that a video with a seektable? |
| [17:01:34] | GlemSom: | sphery, honestly I just took the first 10 megs of the mpeg file.. I don't have space to upload it all... So I might have screwed that up |
| [17:02:05] | sphery: | GlemSom: I meant a seek table in Myth |
| [17:02:14] | wagnerrp: | maybe something to do with http://docs.python.org/whatsnew/2.6.html#pep- . . . ling-changes |
| [17:02:40] | sphery: | GlemSom: in other words, is it a TV recording or some other video (in MythVideo, for example)? |
| [17:03:03] | GlemSom: | sphery, It's a TV recording from a DVB-C card |
| [17:04:12] | wagnerrp: | ah, yes... top of the page says thats an alternative syntax backported from 3.0 to 2.6 |
| [17:04:21] | sphery: | GlemSom: may be best off just waiting until 0.22 to watch that one :) |
| [17:04:43] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: so change to old format? or just tell people put up and upgrade to 2.6? |
| [17:04:54] | wagnerrp: | latter would probably make some of the centos users angry |
| [17:04:54] | sphery: | chances are it will work (as all the playback stuff has changed significantly), but if it doesn't, then it's worth getting a backtrace and submitting a ticket with 0.22 |
| [17:05:04] | GlemSom: | sphery, Well, the odd thing is – it's ONLY the discovery channels... every other channels (including a few HD channels) are fine |
| [17:05:51] | sphery: | yeah, probably something about those recordings that the old libav* doesn't like |
| [17:06:11] | GlemSom: | sphery, According to the bugtrac – it seems 0.22 isn't far away... mostly "minor" tickets left! :) |
| [17:06:45] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Please try the old format. In cache.py it is the only exception with an "as". See if it works. I would not want to force people to upgrade. |
| [17:06:59] | GlemSom: | Well, I can always let MythTV record it – and use mplayer to watch it then... :P |
| [17:08:17] | janneg: | GlemSom: release is at most a couple of days away |
| [17:08:30] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Interesting that no one else has reported this issue over the last few days. |
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| [17:09:25] | GlemSom: | janneg, "Sadly" I'm on Gentoo – I i bet I'm gonna strucle with a broken UTF-8 database... :/ |
| [17:09:26] | janneg: | GlemSom: and your sample plays fine here |
| [17:09:40] | GlemSom: | janneg, In what – 0.21-fixes? |
| [17:10:00] | janneg: | no, with trunk |
| [17:10:12] | GlemSom: | janneg, Ohh ok – good to hear! :D |
| [17:10:41] | GlemSom: | janneg, Guess I'll just wait till 0.22 then.. There's no need to create more bug reports for 0.21-fixes then! |
| [17:11:07] | GlemSom: | Thanks for testing it for me! :D |
| [17:12:02] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Will you be able to retry ttvdb but with a change to cache.py line 68 to "except OSError e:"? |
| [17:12:28] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Just drop the "as " |
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| [17:13:37] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: not exactly, its change the 'as' to a ',' |
| [17:13:49] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, its looking for an error 'e' |
| [17:13:57] | wagnerrp: | and will fail should 'OSError' ever occur |
| [17:14:10] | wagnerrp: | at least as far as i can tell |
| [17:14:25] | wagnerrp: | http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3110/ |
| [17:15:24] | sphery: | GlemSom: I hope to have a script to make detecting issues/fixing them much easier RSN |
| [17:15:37] | sphery: | (actually, I hoped to have it about a week ago, but that didn't happen) |
| [17:15:45] | sphery: | db issues that is |
| [17:16:07] | okolsi: | jamu got broken here recently.. now it complains about tvdb related .py files not being in same directory with ttvdb.py |
| [17:16:38] | GlemSom: | sphery, cool – will it be an official part of MythTV? |
| [17:16:39] | okolsi: | and in fact they are not in same dir since several .py files are in ttvdb/ subdir..? |
| [17:17:17] | sphery: | GlemSom: haven't decided where it's going, yet |
| [17:17:32] | RDV_Linux: | okolsi: This is likely the same error I am discussing with wagnerrp check you python version. If it is less than 2.6 it is the same error. |
| [17:17:35] | sphery: | it's ugly, and won't be in Myth, but it might go in contrib or something |
| [17:17:55] | sphery: | may just require a separate download from the website or something |
| [17:18:10] | wagnerrp: | okolsi: what version of python do you have? |
| [17:18:10] | okolsi: | RDV_Linux: didn't read scrollback.. my Python is 2.5.2 |
| [17:18:21] | wagnerrp: | yep, same thing |
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| [17:18:31] | GlemSom: | sphery, Ok, I guess the MythTV builds needs to be compiles with debugging symbols as well? (And dependencies for that matter) |
| [17:18:53] | waterfoul: | I have a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1800 MCE (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116016) and any time I try to watch tv I get the correct picture except it is stretched horizontally so that part of it is clipped on the right and there are vertical green bars... any one have any ideas on how to fix this? |
| [17:18:59] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Did changing from "as" to "," fix the issue? |
| [17:19:21] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: it fixed the syntax exception, yes |
| [17:19:33] | wagnerrp: | im just assuming thats proper syntax to make the rest of the code work |
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| [17:19:54] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: I checked the rest of the tvdb_api code and that statement id the only one using an "as" in an exception. |
| [17:19:56] | wagnerrp: | at least it seems to be according to that link i sent |
| [17:20:03] | RDV_Linux: | s/id/is/ |
| [17:20:05] | sphery: | GlemSom: for making a backtrace, the myth stuff needs debugging symbols (the rest don't usually, though you may be requested to get a new backtrace with them for some rare issues). See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Debuggin . . . ntoo_ebuilds for more (and update as you find issues or just to provide more instructions/information for users). |
| [17:20:45] | RDV_Linux: | I will make the change and do a retest here even though I am using 2,6 |
| [17:21:09] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Should wagnerrp issue a ticket for this problem? |
| [17:21:09] | wagnerrp: | well the old behavior does NOT work in 3.0 |
| [17:21:10] | iamlindoro: | change works w/ 2.6 |
| [17:21:13] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [17:21:22] | wagnerrp: | but i assumed they kept backwards compatibility with 2.6 |
| [17:21:44] | wagnerrp: | of course large chunks of the code wont work with 3.0 anyway |
| [17:21:45] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: 3.0 is not backwward compatible |
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| [17:22:16] | wagnerrp: | they just backported the new behavior, rather than dropping the old i assume |
| [17:22:30] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1620006 |
| [17:22:37] | iamlindoro: | Someone can confirm that that's the whole fix |
| [17:22:48] | wagnerrp: | looks good |
| [17:23:22] | waterfoul: | I have a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1800 MCE (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116016) and any time I try to watch tv I get the correct picture except it is stretched horizontally so that part of it is clipped on the right and there are vertical green bars... any one have any ideas on how to fix this? |
| [17:23:52] | justinh: | jees. those stats are scary |
| [17:24:09] | wagnerrp: | waterfoul: one single user has joined since you last asked, chances are they do not know the answer |
| [17:24:13] | wagnerrp: | wait around a while |
| [17:24:22] | wagnerrp: | if no one has a solution in an hour or so, THEN ask again |
| [17:24:30] | Josh_Borke: | waterfoul: are you using the analog or digital input? |
| [17:24:38] | waterfoul: | analog |
| [17:24:38] | iamlindoro: | not to mention is just being god damn annoying |
| [17:24:40] | justinh: | I'd suspect your video drivers first |
| [17:24:50] | wagnerrp: | waterfoul: mythtv has issues with the analog input on the 1800 |
| [17:24:50] | justinh: | as in VGA |
| [17:24:52] | iamlindoro: | analog + HVR-1800 + Myth = broken |
| [17:24:55] | Josh_Borke: | the 1800 works in mythtv o.O? |
| [17:25:03] | justinh: | Josh_Borke: evidently not :P |
| [17:25:12] | Josh_Borke: | yea, i didn't think the analog portion worked at all... |
| [17:25:15] | wagnerrp: | analog works in linux, but there is an issue in the bug that mythtv does not like |
| [17:25:19] | waterfoul: | well it used to give clear picture before they got the channel changing working |
| [17:25:24] | wagnerrp: | s/bug/drivers/ |
| [17:25:32] | justinh: | oh wait there was or is to be a patch to fix it but it won't make it into 0.22 |
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| [17:25:43] | justinh: | IIRC |
| [17:25:44] | Josh_Borke: | is there a ticket for it? |
| [17:25:54] | iamlindoro: | justinh: The HVR-1800 issue isn't on the myth side, it's on the v4l side |
| [17:25:56] | justinh: | nevermind it's only analogue |
| [17:26:04] | justinh: | iamlindoro: thought it was both |
| [17:26:08] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [17:26:23] | justinh: | or is this yet another v4l says mythtv... |
| [17:26:26] | waterfoul: | I used to be albe to get good picture but not able to change the channel, now I get bad picture and can change the channel |
| [17:26:49] | Josh_Borke: | waterfoul: i think you're better off taking this to the mailing list, i don't think anyone uses the 1800 |
| [17:27:00] | waterfoul: | ok thanks |
| [17:27:00] | Josh_Borke: | i have one in my myth box but i blacklisted the module... |
| [17:27:04] | iamlindoro: | No point going to the ML |
| [17:27:09] | wagnerrp: | waterfoul: as mentioned, it doesnt work |
| [17:27:11] | wagnerrp: | end of story |
| [17:27:18] | iamlindoro: | It won't work in Myth until the drivers are fixed, no point asking the numbskulls on the list |
| [17:29:43] | okolsi: | iamlindoro: that patch fixes jamu for me |
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| [17:30:15] | justinh: | LOL "Justinh is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 65 times" |
| [17:30:40] | justinh: | ROFL "Justinh's faithful follower, iamlindoro" |
| [17:30:50] | iamlindoro: | That's me, following... faithfully |
| [17:31:03] | justinh: | that's made my firkin day |
| [17:31:42] | justinh: | "clever talks to him/herself a lot." |
| [17:31:54] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: Thanks for finding this bug at the wire. Much appreciated. |
| [17:32:24] | justinh: | are those logs still generated? |
| [17:33:09] | justinh: | oops. apparently they are. Very worrying, and there I was thinking it was twitter I was addicted to |
| [17:33:25] | kormoc: | hahaha |
| [17:33:36] | kormoc: | * juski slaps dustybin with a 2x4 |
| [17:33:39] | kormoc: | perfect example |
| [17:34:05] | iamlindoro: | and perfectly understandable without even knowing the context |
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| [17:35:15] | waterfoul: | the v4l wiki says my card should work, |
| [17:35:25] | waterfoul: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1800 |
| [17:35:33] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [17:36:00] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: wasnt that close, weve still got most of a week |
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| [17:36:07] | iamlindoro: | waterfoul: The last time that page was touched was in June. Did it work in MythTV in June? NO |
| [17:36:15] | justinh: | the v4l wiki is a wiki. |
| [17:36:15] | iamlindoro: | So does it work now? NONONONONONONO |
| [17:36:24] | Josh_Borke: | waterfoul: it does not work in myth |
| [17:36:29] | iamlindoro: | If you want our help, be kind enough to *listen* to it |
| [17:36:38] | justinh: | iamlindoro: maybe we missed something. write in a wiki or blog post that something works & maybe it becomes fact |
| [17:36:47] | iamlindoro: | Awesome |
| [17:36:50] | RDV_Linux: | wagnerrp: A week? I must have fallen behind my channel reading. |
| [17:37:03] | ** iamlindoro posts to his blog about his roguish good looks and irresistability to the opposite sex ** | |
| [17:37:09] | ** kormoc wiki posts that he's a sexy single trillionare ** | |
| [17:37:31] | iamlindoro: | If you're irresistable to the opposite sex, you could become a trillionaire and enjoy doing it |
| [17:37:32] | ** kormoc thinks there may be a movie about this ** | |
| [17:37:38] | justinh: | iamlindoro: so flesh out the mythui docs saying how to define UI audio feedback & maps of a 3d menu layout, how shiny all the surfaces are & we have a 3d, audio annotated UI ! |
| [17:37:40] | kormoc: | ooh, hrm |
| [17:37:50] | kormoc: | Good thing I can just edit reality and make it so! |
| [17:38:13] | iamlindoro: | justinh: <flamingbackground>true</flamingbackground> <rotateoncube>true</rotateoncube> |
| [17:38:34] | justinh: | yup! |
| [17:38:34] | kormoc: | <theme engine="AdobeFlash"> |
| [17:38:35] | sphery: | kormoc: you didn't force the MySQL strict* mode, did you? |
| [17:38:59] | kormoc: | sphery: nope, ran out of time, but I did fix the create statements to work with strict mode |
| [17:39:09] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:39:12] | sphery: | saw that |
| [17:39:39] | sphery: | was thinking of forcing the mode, but don't know if that would upset people if it goes into -fixes |
| [17:39:50] | iamlindoro: | justinh: So when will whoops.mpg-wide be done? ;) |
| [17:39:53] | sphery: | (though, IMHO, making Myth work is a fix) |
| [17:39:57] | kormoc: | Heh |
| [17:39:58] | sphery: | as it won't work without it |
| [17:40:08] | kormoc: | as long as it's not a set global, I'd say go for it |
| [17:40:15] | justinh: | iamlindoro: it's already done, I just need to edit the wiki page :P |
| [17:40:16] | kormoc: | as it'll only affect myth |
| [17:40:16] | sphery: | set global? |
| [17:40:20] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [17:40:22] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [17:40:32] | kormoc: | set global sets it for all the threads, set is the current session |
| [17:40:34] | sphery: | you mean session setting |
| [17:40:38] | kormoc: | aye |
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| [17:41:06] | sphery: | chances are we won't always have permission for set global, anyway |
| [17:41:16] | kormoc: | tis true |
| [17:41:38] | kormoc: | just saying, if it's not a global, I don't see why anyone should care |
| [17:41:48] | sphery: | I may still stick it in |
| [17:41:59] | kormoc: | you got my support! |
| [17:42:06] | sphery: | as now, the Windows users won't get the nice "db upgrade fail" that tells them it doesn't work :) |
| [17:42:09] | wagnerrp: | RDV_Linux: 0.22 has been branched, but its in testing currently, expected release early next week |
| [17:42:24] | kormoc: | Heh, true.... |
| [17:42:33] | iamlindoro: | *At the latest |
| [17:44:19] | wagnerrp: | back to clipping out ads... ive got about a 3 week backlog |
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| [17:44:40] | sphery: | kormoc: ah, now I see why you didn't have time... it's ugly |
| [17:44:46] | justinh: | everyone who asks sets it back another week :) |
| [17:45:46] | sphery: | ok, not as bad as I first thought |
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| [17:46:34] | resno: | asks what? id like to ask the magical question |
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| [17:47:27] | sphery: | so, are we giving up on trying to restart trac? |
| [17:48:13] | resno: | trac has been crashing everyday |
| [17:48:38] | sphery: | if resno likes magic, he should get http://thewandcompany.com/ working with Myth |
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| [17:48:52] | OmniCitadel: | Greetings, I am having an issue with tv listings on a fresh box, channels tune correctly, database programs table populates, but myth shows "no data" in the web interface, and "Unavailible" in the front end. I have tried clearing the "program" table, running backendupdate, clearing the tuners and all associated settings and reconfiguring all with the same result. |
| [17:48:59] | sphery: | yeah, just wondering whether it's worth telling someone and asking for a restart every 2 hrs |
| [17:49:19] | justinh: | I need to subscribe to Sky again or I'll miss the MJ seance with Derek Accorah |
| [17:49:43] | justinh: | with any luck they'll do one for Stephen Gately too |
| [17:49:47] | cheeseboy: | are the mythtv based distros any good oer should i opt for manual install? |
| [17:49:59] | sphery: | OmniCitadel: if http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 doesn't work (the video sources portion of it), then you're likely re-configuring things the same wrong way you had them configured originally |
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| [17:50:15] | sphery: | OmniCitadel: unfortunately, I can't even guess which wrong way... too many possibilities |
| [17:50:18] | meshe: | cheeseboy: i use mythbuntu on all of my systems |
| [17:50:19] | justinh: | cheeseboy: they're absolutely useless for running high load web servers on |
| [17:50:29] | meshe: | justinh: bull |
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| [17:50:40] | sphery: | OmniCitadel: though the Delete all video sources is critical once you've got a broken input connections setup |
| [17:50:45] | OmniCitadel: | sphery: Funny thing is the last round this worked just fine |
| [17:50:48] | sphery: | i.e. you can't just delete individually |
| [17:51:09] | justinh: | again it's like one of those "what should be my favourite colour" questions damnit |
| [17:51:33] | meshe: | apache and lighttpd will run just as good on mythbuntu as it will on rhel |
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| [17:53:42] | justinh: | ok bad analogy :) |
| [17:53:48] | meshe: | hehe |
| [17:54:19] | meshe: | myth distros do suck at washing my dishes or walking my dog... |
| [17:54:22] | justinh: | I mean – asking if a distro is *any* *good* .. wth kinda question is that? :) |
| [17:54:42] | justinh: | they all do what they do very well – obviously – or none of them would be so popular |
| [17:54:44] | OmniCitadel: | sphery: the problem is the guide listings... the capture card works just fine, backend database update works and gets the listings, but the listings are not availble in the guide... the channels are there but no data for the time slots |
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| [17:55:02] | justinh: | OmniCitadel: check to see if you have two loads of channels |
| [17:55:09] | meshe: | well, in this case it's kinda valid, he wants to know if it's worth using a myth specific distro or install separately |
| [17:55:30] | justinh: | OmniCitadel: I'd almost bet you have duplicate channels – one set which works but has no guide data & a non-working set of channels *with* good EPG data |
| [17:55:34] | iamlindoro: | Suspect he's using digital channels and has not set their xmltvids yet |
| [17:55:46] | justinh: | or that |
| [17:55:47] | iamlindoro: | (ie, USA + QAM) |
| [17:56:16] | OmniCitadel: | one sec remoting in |
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| [17:58:32] | resno: | mac mini question: will "g4 1.43ghz, 80 gig drive, and 512mb ram" run ok as a frontend? or is a slow or troublesome install. its also the older version using ATI Radeon 9200. |
| [17:58:56] | Dagmar: | mac mini answer: Google is your friend. |
| [17:59:20] | Dagmar: | It'll do SD. |
| [17:59:54] | resno: | Dagmar: i tried google and couldnt find anything. it just directed me back to myths wiki which has not system requirements. |
| [18:00:06] | Dagmar: | Sure it doesn't. |
| [18:00:18] | sphery: | OmniCitadel: that's exactly how the input connections issue works--LiveTV is fine, but there are no listings because your video sources/channels/inputs aren't properly connected |
| [18:00:27] | resno: | Dagmar: so... what should i be searching for? |
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| [18:00:43] | Dagmar: | resno: Literacy apparently. |
| [18:00:55] | resno: | well, im done talking to you. |
| [18:00:56] | sphery: | OmniCitadel: do the video sources portion of that post--and pay particular attention to the part about xmltvid's |
| [18:01:18] | Dagmar: | ...becuase strangely, when I type "mac mini mythtv" into Google, I get the overwhelming feeling that your parents need to be beaten. |
| [18:01:40] | sphery: | resno: I'd recommend against the mac mini for myth |
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| [18:02:00] | iamlindoro: | that mac mini, anyway |
| [18:02:18] | resno: | sphery: iamlindoro thanks. |
| [18:02:32] | OmniCitadel: | ok so I did not do the xmltvid the first time i built this box and had no issue getting listings |
| [18:02:58] | iamlindoro: | The ATI GPU alone would turn me off, but the g4 sort of makes it awful tough to expect more than *maybe* SD (but it'd be an uphill battle) |
| [18:03:02] | GreyFoxx: | Can any of you point me to a walk through for compiling a custom kernel on an ubuntu box the "proper" ubuntu way ? I appear to be google impaired today |
| [18:03:21] | Dagmar: | GreyFoxx: It's not just "reg'lar Debian stuff"? |
| [18:03:27] | laga: | GreyFoxx: it's in the ubuntu wiki. the kernel team has its own wiki [pages].. it's linked from there |
| [18:03:33] | resno: | iamlindoro: ok, i see. |
| [18:03:33] | GreyFoxx: | dunno, I don't use debian either :) |
| [18:03:42] | sphery: | OmniCitadel: it can only be done automatically if the broadcaster sends out exactly the right info. If they send anything different from what SD/your XMLTV grabber uses for callsigns, you get the issue you have |
| [18:03:46] | GreyFoxx: | for me it's normally just download, untar, copy over .config and carry on |
| [18:03:50] | sphery: | OmniCitadel: you need to follow the instructions in that post |
| [18:03:52] | Dagmar: | I looked it up at one point, it looked like the same stuff you go through to make new kernel RPMs, just with .deb format |
| [18:04:02] | GreyFoxx: | laga: ok |
| [18:04:02] | iamlindoro: | apt-get kernelstuff && sudo compile-me-a-kernel-poste-haste ?? |
| [18:04:11] | sphery: | OmniCitadel: because--it seems--now they're sending garbage, so you have to manually configure the xmltvid's |
| [18:04:18] | laga: | GreyFoxx: let me know if you can't find it |
| [18:05:05] | pyther: | How can a load the commercials into the cut list? |
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| [18:05:34] | iamlindoro: | "Z" |
| [18:05:44] | ** iamlindoro hopes he didn't change the keybinding on that ** | |
| [18:05:50] | Dagmar: | e-z-e generally does it for me |
| [18:06:27] | pyther: | thanks |
| [18:06:36] | resno: | why is it only the expensive hardware works? :( |
| [18:06:46] | iamlindoro: | because you want it to work well |
| [18:06:57] | iamlindoro: | If you have no standards, you can make anything work |
| [18:07:07] | iamlindoro: | we have someone here who has made a profession out of it |
| [18:07:10] | AndrewNC: | speaking of not working, svn down? |
| [18:07:17] | iamlindoro: | well, as close as he'll ever be to a profession, anyway |
| [18:07:21] | GreyFoxx: | ofcourse the ubuntu wiki is being crazy slow for me right now hehe |
| [18:07:47] | resno: | AndrewNC: trac and svn are inconnected and are acting crazy |
| [18:08:09] | resno: | trac has been up and down for the past few days |
| [18:08:16] | AndrewNC: | seems like the whole interwebs have h1n1 today |
| [18:08:30] | AndrewNC: | get those routers some tamiflu |
| [18:08:32] | resno: | heh. they need a shot |
| [18:08:56] | sphery: | resno: cheap hardware works great--unless you're trying for cheap /and/ small/"pretty" |
| [18:09:12] | resno: | sphery: yea, thats always the catch |
| [18:09:16] | sphery: | $200 gets a great frontend |
| [18:09:35] | sphery: | a drill puts a nice hole in the wall for running cables--and you can often borrow that drill |
| [18:09:46] | sphery: | then you have a cheap and invisible frontend |
| [18:09:54] | resno: | flats/apartments dont like holes in walls though |
| [18:10:09] | sphery: | $4 gets a 5lb box of plaster of paris |
| [18:10:18] | sphery: | (which you can use just before moving out) |
| [18:10:19] | AndrewNC: | sphery: ++ |
| [18:10:32] | iamlindoro: | Note that $200 buys a great frontend with *modern* parts |
| [18:10:35] | sphery: | check your rental agreement/conditions on your deposit/etc. |
| [18:10:44] | sphery: | iamlindoro: true, great and modern |
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| [18:10:47] | iamlindoro: | but that $200 spent eight years ago doesn't make it a valid frontend now ;) |
| [18:11:02] | sphery: | lol |
| [18:11:14] | resno: | are you talking about a desktop pc? |
| [18:11:18] | sphery: | yeah, my $200 computers from 2004 can't even decode my HDTV in real time |
| [18:11:23] | sphery: | yep, desktop parts |
| [18:11:27] | iamlindoro: | He's talking about $200 worth of parts and some elbow grease |
| [18:11:43] | resno: | yea, i think thats the route im going to go. |
| [18:11:54] | iamlindoro: | ohm and the most important ingredient |
| [18:11:57] | iamlindoro: | a closet |
| [18:12:09] | iamlindoro: | (or basement, or cupboard) |
| [18:12:10] | AndrewNC: | or basement! |
| [18:12:39] | iamlindoro: | My Backend/frontend box is silent AND invisible... don't get much more "SFF" than invisible |
| [18:12:39] | resno: | can i put it in an enclosed box? thats probably a bad idea |
| [18:12:42] | sphery: | I spec'ed out a nice low-TDP CPU, RAM, a mid-tower case, a nice 80 PLUS power supply, and a mobo with integrated nvidia GF8x00 video and integrated sound for $205 (a couple of days ago) |
| [18:12:47] | AndrewNC: | wonder if there are good cases for 16" on center joist bays |
| [18:13:01] | iamlindoro: | and that's with 12 drives, tons of fans, a quad processor, 16 GB of RAM, etc. |
| [18:13:13] | iamlindoro: | a couple STBs, a couple HD-PVRs, cable drop amp... |
| [18:13:15] | AndrewNC: | frontend + radiant heater |
| [18:13:18] | resno: | sphery: where new egg? |
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| [18:13:21] | iamlindoro: | PS3, 360, Wii... |
| [18:13:22] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:13:30] | iamlindoro: | Receiver |
| [18:13:33] | iamlindoro: | UPS |
| [18:13:36] | iamlindoro: | cabling |
| [18:13:39] | iamlindoro: | invisible! |
| [18:13:49] | Josh_Borke: | sphery: did you save it to a wishlist? |
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| [18:13:54] | sphery: | resno: I'm just waiting until Oct 22 for the 45W TDP dual-core AMD procs to be released |
| [18:14:04] | AndrewNC: | sphery: i have not had the best experience with 8300 IGP |
| [18:14:10] | sphery: | Josh_Borke: I did, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else (as most people consider the mobo to be garbage) |
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| [18:14:21] | sphery: | AndrewNC: that's because you were trying to use VDPAU? |
| [18:14:40] | sphery: | AndrewNC: I don't plan to use vdpau |
| [18:14:41] | AndrewNC: | and other things, there is a known sata issue that crops up |
| [18:14:49] | AndrewNC: | DRDY errors from the kernel |
| [18:14:54] | resno: | sphery: would you mind looking at my build, once im ready? |
| [18:14:55] | iamlindoro: | ah viddypoo |
| [18:15:23] | sphery: | resno: I won't comment on whether it's good, though :) |
| [18:15:41] | AndrewNC: | I'm less thrilled w/vdpau since I realized its scaling algorithm sux |
| [18:15:45] | resno: | heh fair enough |
| [18:15:45] | sphery: | I'll happily say things aren't good enough when they're obviously not, but won't say whether they are |
| [18:15:46] | iamlindoro: | It's great when anything recorded on my local Fox affiliate doesn't lock up the system and when trying to play an HD-DVD it doesn't fail with "failed to initialize A/V Sync" |
| [18:15:51] | sphery: | don't want to be blamed |
| [18:15:55] | iamlindoro: | other than that... *perfect* |
| [18:15:56] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [18:16:04] | resno: | sphery: thats fair. |
| [18:16:33] | AndrewNC: | is that ffmpeg MT stuff a reality yet? |
| [18:16:36] | sphery: | iamlindoro: nvidia doesn't want you to watch Fringe, so they block that with vdpau |
| [18:16:37] | iamlindoro: | smart bastards |
| [18:16:57] | resno: | its freezing here! |
| [18:17:06] | iamlindoro: | Good thing Fox is 720p so I don't "need" those VDPAU deinterlacers that make you successful in business and sexy to the gender of your choice |
| [18:17:08] | resno: | and i turn the heat up and its still cold |
| [18:17:31] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Jen-Hsun Huang is actually William Bell |
| [18:17:35] | iamlindoro: | AndrewNC: It's existed for over a year-- but the merge into mainline ffmpeg has been slow-- will probably occur by spring |
| [18:18:05] | iamlindoro: | sphery: heh, nVidia humor |
| [18:18:51] | pyther: | Is it possible to cut the video while keeping it in mpeg2? |
| [18:19:09] | sphery: | pyther: lossless transcoder |
| [18:19:17] | pyther: | ahh ok |
| [18:19:19] | sphery: | i.e. check the box that says something about lossless |
| [18:19:30] | sphery: | but it only works for MPEG-2 |
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| [18:19:43] | sphery: | otherwise, you have to use external tools to transcode to mpeg-2 |
| [18:19:49] | pyther: | Now why do I have so many profiles? |
| [18:20:02] | pyther: | I have an autodetect, high, medium, and low, do I need those all? |
| [18:21:08] | sphery: | pyther: they're always there--built/hardcoded in |
| [18:21:14] | sphery: | just set up the one(s) you want to use |
| [18:21:29] | pyther: | What one is the default? |
| [18:21:34] | sphery: | for me high is lossless |
| [18:21:45] | sphery: | depends on how you set up autodetect and how you start transcoding |
| [18:22:10] | sphery: | for me, I /always/ select the recording in the Watch Recordings screen, then INFO|Job Options|Transcode... and then select the profile I want |
| [18:23:05] | pyther: | Ahh ok |
| [18:23:06] | pyther: | cool |
| [18:25:14] | sphery: | AndrewNC: The one I was looking at was the nvidia 8200 (an AMD one--is the 8300 Intel?). Wonder if it has the same SATA problems. |
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| [18:30:05] | OmniCitadel: | justinh and sphery that worked thanks |
| [18:31:12] | sphery: | OmniCitadel: good... enjoy. |
| [18:31:42] | wagnerrp: | resno: its nice and toasty warm here, although i admit the AC has been running on a lower duty cycle |
| [18:32:02] | OmniCitadel: | ok sphery one more question... it does not appear to be grabbing every channel... like channel 3 and yes I am not talking about encrypted channels... |
| [18:32:20] | resno: | wagnerrp: i had to pull out my mini heater. the guy next door likes it to freezing cold. |
| [18:33:12] | sphery: | OmniCitadel: using schedules direct? |
| [18:33:13] | wagnerrp: | in the dead of winter, sometimes we turn the AC off all together, and just let the fan run |
| [18:33:26] | AndrewNC: | sphery: there is a thread on nvnews about 8200/8300 sata issues |
| [18:33:35] | AndrewNC: | both are athlon chipsets |
| [18:33:38] | sphery: | AndrewNC: ah... :( |
| [18:33:50] | AndrewNC: | I suggest researching before purchase |
| [18:33:53] | sphery: | thanks, though, for the warning... I'll get a different mobo |
| [18:33:53] | wagnerrp: | AndrewNC: we were talking about frontends though |
| [18:34:25] | sphery: | actually I was planning on getting it for a backend |
| [18:34:34] | sphery: | (though it would be frontend capable) |
| [18:34:43] | AndrewNC: | wagnerrp: the issue is specific to when the nvidia xorg driver is loaded and in use |
| [18:34:57] | sphery: | ah, well, it would never be in use for me :) |
| [18:35:07] | sphery: | (as my backends don't run X) |
| [18:35:19] | AndrewNC: | no confirmation that it causes data loss, but I don't like to see storage bus errors ever |
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| [18:36:17] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:36:26] | sphery: | I'll probably get a different one, anyway |
| [18:36:39] | sphery: | are any of the nvidia-gpu-containing chipsets good/stable? |
| [18:36:57] | sphery: | if not, I'll just get a discrete video card (and suffer the power cost) |
| [18:37:04] | iamlindoro: | Supposing you want to stay with AMD, there's nothing really modern, is there? |
| [18:37:08] | AndrewNC: | dunno, the thread indicated some were ok after a bios update |
| [18:37:16] | iamlindoro: | ie, aren't all the 9xxx boards Intel? |
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| [18:37:25] | AndrewNC: | yes |
| [18:37:27] | sphery: | yeah, pretty sure 9xxx is intel |
| [18:37:27] | wagnerrp: | 8x are all AMD, 9x are all intel, yes |
| [18:37:37] | sphery: | so are they different gens? |
| [18:37:43] | sphery: | or just naming? |
| [18:37:49] | iamlindoro: | different generations |
| [18:37:50] | sphery: | gpu-wise |
| [18:38:00] | AndrewNC: | the other issue is w/igp and cpu speed scaling, but I think that is mostly vdpau |
| [18:38:15] | wagnerrp: | well technically the high end 9x series are 8x cards |
| [18:38:28] | wagnerrp: | or late model 8x cards are 9x cards |
| [18:38:29] | sphery: | yeah, I use performance/no scaling, so not an issue |
| [18:38:32] | wagnerrp: | however you want to go |
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| [18:39:02] | wagnerrp: | the 8, 9, and GT100 series really blended together into a weird mush |
| [18:39:14] | sphery: | yeah, it's so hard to keep up |
| [18:39:37] | sphery: | if not for the state of ati driver support, I'd consider just switching all |
| [18:39:40] | OmniCitadel: | sphery: yes schedules direct |
| [18:39:56] | AndrewNC: | there is always S3 |
| [18:39:57] | sphery: | but ati drivers are eol'ed too early and no pure-64-bit support and really annoying installer |
| [18:40:04] | MTughan: | wagnerrp: Even the GTS 250 is just a 9800GTX+ IIRC. |
| [18:40:15] | wagnerrp: | im serious, the 8800GT got rebranded to the 9800GT, and then got rebranded to the GT100something |
| [18:40:28] | wagnerrp: | MTughan: the 200s are all new chips |
| [18:40:32] | wagnerrp: | the 100s are rebranded 9-series |
| [18:40:32] | sphery: | I'm keeping all my systems api-identical, though, so I need the nvidia libs on all the systems (even though 3 backends don't run X) |
| [18:40:39] | MTughan: | wagnerrp: Not all of them. |
| [18:40:43] | sphery: | which means I have to have nvidia cards |
| [18:40:57] | MTughan: | The GTX 2xx branded cards are all new chips, yes. |
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| [18:41:22] | MTughan: | wagnerrp: http://techreport.com/articles.x/16504 |
| [18:41:26] | wagnerrp: | youre right, the 240 and 250 are both G92 chips (8800GT |
| [18:41:27] | wagnerrp: | ) |
| [18:41:59] | sphery: | OmniCitadel: myth always grabs all the listings for all the channels in your schedules direct lineup (edit on the website), then associates those listings with all the channels in myth whose xmltvid's match those in the schedules direct data/listings |
| [18:43:09] | wagnerrp: | the 120, 130, and 150 are all rebranded 9x chips |
| [18:43:15] | wagnerrp: | the 100 is a rebranded 8400 |
| [18:43:53] | ** wagnerrp attempts in vain to wade free of the mush ** | |
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| [18:45:58] | OmniCitadel: | sphery: thats not the issue... I cannot successfully scan some channels like channel 3 |
| [18:47:46] | sphery: | OmniCitadel: ah, scanning issues are a whole other problem |
| [18:47:54] | sphery: | OmniCitadel: is this, by any chance, comcast cable? |
| [18:48:15] | OmniCitadel: | yep |
| [18:48:16] | sphery: | OmniCitadel: if so, I suspect you want to check out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan |
| [18:48:38] | sphery: | if before you got channel info and now you don't, they've probably switched in your area |
| [18:49:30] | wagnerrp: | ugh... track seems unusable |
| [18:49:40] | OmniCitadel: | we are talking just 3 days... |
| [18:49:41] | sphery: | it's off the trac |
| [18:49:50] | OmniCitadel: | thats when I got into this whole myth thing |
| [18:49:56] | OmniCitadel: | saturday that is |
| [18:50:10] | sphery: | still worth reading that page/trying scte65scan |
| [18:50:37] | OmniCitadel: | agreed |
| [18:51:04] | wagnerrp: | we havent even gotten a /. mention yet, or even released, and its like this |
| [18:52:45] | pyther: | is there an easy way to determine if mythshutdown is in the locked state? |
| [18:52:45] | justinh: | heh |
| [18:53:12] | justinh: | I'll stay away from here on release day |
| [18:53:21] | wagnerrp: | should have used 'unidentifed-branch-to-be-named-0.22-fixes' |
| [18:53:38] | j-rod: | sphery: why does keeping systems api-identical require nvidia libs? |
| [18:54:35] | laga: | pyther: yes |
| [18:54:41] | laga: | pyther: mythshutdown --help |
| [18:54:44] | justinh: | maybe make the 'X amount of days' depend on trac staying up long enough l) |
| [18:56:45] | ** j-rod has api-identical systems all running the same binary build w/o any nvidia libs on most of them ** | |
| [18:56:46] | pyther: | laga, the only thing I see is the status flag, but if it trancoding it return a different status |
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| [18:57:59] | pyther: | Actually looking at it, I'm getting a return code of 49 |
| [18:58:38] | laga: | pyther: the status is an 8 bit value. you can always check if the fifth (IIRC) bit is set |
| [18:59:50] | pyther: | laga, I'm not sure if I understand. mythshutdown -s return no output and I"m getting a return code of 49 |
| [19:00:01] | pyther: | Where am I suppose to find the 8bit value? |
| [19:00:24] | laga: | the return code contains the answer |
| [19:00:45] | sphery: | j-rod: because I need the nvidia headers/libs--maybe I should say "lib-identical" |
| [19:01:45] | pyther: | So the return code is a 8 bit value? |
| [19:01:51] | laga: | pyther: yes |
| [19:02:12] | pyther: | How do I covert an 8bit value into a decimal? |
| [19:02:19] | laga: | it is a decimal |
| [19:02:24] | wagnerrp: | well this is interesting |
| [19:02:42] | wagnerrp: | winner of milwaukee's marathon disqualified after she ran with an ipod |
| [19:03:13] | pyther: | laga, well according to the help 49 isn't a valid status |
| [19:03:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: sure, it was playing a recording that said when to take each step and she sped it up a bit... |
| [19:03:16] | resno: | wagnerrp: thats got to be terrible. |
| [19:03:29] | laga: | pyther: the different status values are added |
| [19:03:48] | pyther: | so How can I figure out what is what? |
| [19:04:26] | laga: | XOR with a bit mask? ;) |
| [19:04:51] | wagnerrp: | apparently she was second place, first place being previously disqualified after accepting a water bottle from a friend in the crowd, instead of at official water stations |
| [19:05:09] | ** sphery thinks thinkgeek needs to make some halloween masks with 1's and 0's all over them (bitmasks) ** | |
| [19:05:22] | laga: | sphery: you're awesome |
| [19:05:36] | ** iamlindoro shakes his head sadly ** | |
| [19:05:46] | laga: | iamlindoro: that was a *good* pun |
| [19:06:09] | wagnerrp: | you could claim you were lawnmower man |
| [19:06:16] | pyther: | So I have to convert 49 to a binary number? |
| [19:06:51] | j-rod: | sphery: what do you need them for? |
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| [19:07:45] | j-rod: | sphery: I ask, because I build vdpau-capable packages on a machine w/o any nvidia bits... |
| [19:08:05] | laga: | pyther: you need to some math to find out if 2^4 is in that number ;) |
| [19:08:07] | sphery: | j-rod: for ease of building/putting my mind at ease :) |
| [19:08:15] | OmniCitadel: | wow that scte65scan has absolutely horrible instructions and even worse walkthoughs (as in none) online... good thing I actually am getting better at linux |
| [19:08:21] | sphery: | i.e. I don't want to do any packager-type stuff |
| [19:08:24] | j-rod: | and I'm not aware of any other nvidia bits that are worth the effort |
| [19:08:44] | wagnerrp: | j-rod: you cant build vdpau-capable packages on a machine w/o nvidia bits |
| [19:08:55] | j-rod: | bullshit |
| [19:08:58] | wagnerrp: | configure will find a lack of headers, and build without |
| [19:08:58] | sphery: | j-rod: allows me to build on any of my computers for any of the others and hall all the nvidia-only stuff supported |
| [19:09:03] | pyther: | laga, do you have any suggested math for me? |
| [19:09:13] | sphery: | s/hall/have/ |
| [19:09:19] | wagnerrp: | you dont have to have actual hardware |
| [19:09:24] | iamlindoro: | OmniCitadel: erm, did you read the readme that came with it? If you think those are bad instructions (as they are extremely thorough) then you are in for some trouble with programs that *don't* have good docs |
| [19:09:25] | wagnerrp: | but you have to have the headers and libraries |
| [19:09:46] | j-rod: | wagnerrp: read up on libvdpau |
| [19:09:47] | j-rod: | :) |
| [19:10:12] | sphery: | OmniCitadel: as it's a wiki, feel free to improve :) |
| [19:10:13] | j-rod: | you do NOT need any non-free nvidia headers installed to build w/vdpau support |
| [19:10:31] | iamlindoro: | both the --help and the (extremely thorough) README are simple and more than enough IMHO |
| [19:10:55] | j-rod: | http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/VDPAU |
| [19:10:56] | j-rod: | http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/VDPAU |
| [19:10:56] | j-rod: | http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/VDPAU |
| [19:10:58] | j-rod: | wtf... |
| [19:11:01] | iamlindoro: | easy tex |
| [19:11:19] | OmniCitadel: | meh I know enough to make |
| [19:11:25] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: So FWIW I have been letting my STB toggle the resolution for a few months with no ill effects |
| [19:11:28] | laga: | pyther: i'm afraid i'm having a dumb tonight. :) using a bitmask would be a way, but i'm not sure if there are easier ways |
| [19:12:10] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: yeah, I figure it'd probably work fine |
| [19:12:36] | iamlindoro: | yeah-- have heard people w/ some random STBs complain about audio sync, but no issues personally |
| [19:12:50] | iamlindoro: | and don't think it's rlalted to resolution in that case |
| [19:12:53] | iamlindoro: | er related |
| [19:15:32] | pyther: | laga, okay, I kinda got an idea what needs to be done so I'll ask on a programming forum |
| [19:15:48] | j-rod: | sphery: so what I was trying to get at, was whether there was any nvidia stuff you were building outside of vdpau, as you can simply put libvdpau on all your systems instead... |
| [19:16:11] | sphery: | I really don't care about/want the vdpau stuff |
| [19:16:17] | sphery: | I'm just allowing configure to auto-decide stuff |
| [19:16:46] | j-rod: | because I most certainly DO build vdpau-capable packages on a machine with only "Free" bits on it :) |
| [19:16:53] | sphery: | I definitely want opengl support for the menus/mythgallery (not the opengl video renderer), but that's all I care about |
| [19:17:23] | j-rod: | I get that too w/o any nvidia libs |
| [19:17:29] | sphery: | if I can build with just mesa and then deploy to an nvidia system and get the good opengl, I'd be excstatic |
| [19:17:36] | j-rod: | that's what I do |
| [19:17:38] | sphery: | wow |
| [19:17:54] | sphery: | so, you may have saved me the trouble of getting an nvidia gpu for my new backend :) |
| [19:17:56] | j-rod: | the rpm fusion packages are what I run, and they're built in the free repo |
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| [19:18:04] | j-rod: | all the nvidia bits are in the nonfree rpm fusion repo |
| [19:18:34] | j-rod: | and free bits can't require or buildrequire nonfree bits |
| [19:18:36] | j-rod: | and yet it all still runs beautifully on my ion :) |
| [19:18:39] | sphery: | nice |
| [19:19:13] | sphery: | so I can get an AMD CPU with AMD chipset/GPU (which is a double bonus on power savings) and don't need nvidia |
| [19:19:31] | sphery: | (and not install amd proprietary drivers on the system in question) |
| [19:19:38] | sphery: | that's awesome |
| [19:20:04] | j-rod: | one of my build boxes is an 8-way opteron w/a Radeon X300 or something like that |
| [19:20:14] | j-rod: | my backend is a core 2 quad with a Radeon X1300 |
| [19:20:18] | Wicked: | anyone know of a upto date how to for jamu? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu seems to have old switches and options. |
| [19:20:19] | sphery: | an no ati proprietary drivers, right? |
| [19:20:30] | j-rod: | none. I won't touch those w/a 10ft pole |
| [19:20:49] | j-rod: | by now, they've probably dropped support for such "old" cards too :) |
| [19:21:01] | iamlindoro: | Wicked: none of the switches have changed |
| [19:21:03] | sphery: | yeah, though they're good if you happen to have a system for which they'll work, they are too short-lifespanned and have too many system-configuration requirements |
| [19:21:16] | iamlindoro: | and the script's author updates the wiki religiously |
| [19:21:45] | Wicked: | iamlindoro, hmm well when i run it it says this: /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/MySQLdb/__init__.py:34: DeprecationWarning: the sets module is deprecated |
| [19:22:02] | iamlindoro: | so? |
| [19:22:18] | iamlindoro: | A deprecation warning is not an error |
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| [19:23:12] | Wicked: | i just assumed since i followed the wiki to the t and then ran the exact commands they give...and then it errors...that something might be wrong. |
| [19:23:14] | RDV_Linux: | Wicked: The options are not old Jamu has a number of different purposed. If you are using jamu for MythTV you always want to us the -M option with one or more of (V, W, I, G, F, N) The wiki is MythTV centric.) |
| [19:23:28] | iamlindoro: | Wicked: Thats. Not. An. Error. |
| [19:23:47] | Wicked: | iamlindoro, i. understand. that. |
| [19:24:02] | iamlindoro: | Wicked: Then why did you say "and then it errors?" |
| [19:24:22] | Wicked: | but when i follow the directions that the wiki states. then run the command it tells me to and the thing does nothing...id say thats a problem/error. |
| [19:24:58] | RDV_Linux: | Wicked: Can you be more specific on what you are trying to accomplish with jamu. If you get an error pastebin me a link to the output. |
| [19:25:18] | Wicked: | RDV_Linux, id like to have it scan my video collection and get info on movies/tv shows |
| [19:26:05] | Wicked: | ive gone and edited the jamu example conf....saved it to ~/.mythtv/jamu.conf |
| [19:26:18] | Wicked: | i then proceeded to try and use the interactive session |
| [19:26:49] | Wicked: | but it doesnt seem to do anything other then throw a error/warning ill pastebin it...sec.. |
| [19:26:57] | RDV_Linux: | Wicked: Well that is first accomplished by getting references numbers from TVDB and TMDB. You should use the -MIV options. That can be a laborious step bit required. |
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| [19:27:44] | Wicked: | http://pastebin.com/m436dd509 |
| [19:29:38] | OmniCitadel: | ok the instructions for scte65scan readme while it is very in depth it is also over my head just a bit and not acurate for Jaunty |
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| [19:29:55] | OmniCitadel: | can some one please hold my hand for a few minutes... |
| [19:30:00] | Dagmar: | how is it not accurate for a distro? |
| [19:30:14] | GreyFoxx: | hmmm this should be fun. I'm moving all my tuners into a diskless "slave" backend box which I'm going to configure to shutdown when not recording anything. See just how much less power I use that way |
| [19:30:15] | iamlindoro: | distro won't change its use in the slightest |
| [19:30:16] | RDV_Linux: | Wicked: The "" means you either have not set up a MythVideo "Videos" storage group or a FE video local directory setting to your video directory or you are already up to date. |
| [19:30:41] | OmniCitadel: | meaning /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/atsc != exist |
| [19:30:41] | RDV_Linux: | s/""/"! Warning: There were no missing interef video files found."/ |
| [19:30:58] | iamlindoro: | OmniCitadel: It does if you have the right package installed... |
| [19:31:18] | iamlindoro: | namely dvb-apps/dvb-utils |
| [19:31:27] | Wicked: | i have only folder that mythtv checks for video files...i sym link all my videos into that folder. if i goto my videos in mythtv they all show up. im not sure why its not finding videos RDV_Linux |
| [19:31:34] | OmniCitadel: | iamlindoro: explain to me how a fresh install of mythbuntu can be configured wrong? |
| [19:31:39] | Dagmar: | RDV_Linux: Looks like broken Python to me |
| [19:31:46] | Dagmar: | OmniCitadel: You're the one who broke it. You tell us. |
| [19:31:59] | iamlindoro: | OmniCitadel: If you want to run a program, you need its prerequisites... |
| [19:32:39] | Wicked: | *i only have one folder |
| [19:32:43] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: in case trac isn't cooperating: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 73731#373731 |
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| [19:33:57] | sphery: | Wicked: meaning that scte65scan isn't an official part of mythtv (therefore, nor an official part of mythbuntu), so you need to add stuff to use it |
| [19:34:06] | OmniCitadel: | well if this "program" had listed its prereq's I would have happily sudo apt-get install xxxx all day long |
| [19:34:09] | OmniCitadel: | yet it does not |
| [19:34:24] | OmniCitadel: | additionally its output does not say crap for needing any thing |
| [19:34:39] | RDV_Linux: | Wicked: If you have all the reference numbers set then do a jamu -MV to update your videos. The -I option only focuses on videos in your collection without reference numbers and skips the rest. |
| [19:35:13] | sphery: | OmniCitadel: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dvbutils |
| [19:35:28] | iamlindoro: | OmniCitadel: Your issues are borne out of your (apparent) inexperience with linux-- which is totally forgiveable-- but at least be reasonable enough to realize it's not the apps fault, and that you have a ways to get to understand |
| [19:35:29] | sphery: | OmniCitadel: feel free to add a link to the scte65scan page :) |
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| [19:35:50] | iamlindoro: | There was a linux before apt-get, and people managed to make it work |
| [19:36:06] | gbee: | yeah, with black magic |
| [19:36:15] | iamlindoro: | So take a deep breath, acknowledge that you've got some learning to do, and it'll all make sense in no time |
| [19:36:27] | Wicked: | RDV_Linux, im not sure i understand. all ive done so far is install mythtv..configured the storage groups for things like trailer,fanart,......edited the jamu.conf..stuck jamu.conf in ~/.mythtv/jamu.conf and then it errors out. im not sure how i would get reference numbers set....the wiki i dont think mentions this |
| [19:36:29] | justinh: | that was back when everybody had a beard though |
| [19:37:29] | RDV_Linux: | Wicked: I will IM you so we do not clutter up the channel. Just a second. |
| [19:37:37] | Wicked: | RDV_Linux, sure. |
| [19:37:39] | sphery: | Wicked: have you gone into mythvideo and scanned? |
| [19:37:49] | OmniCitadel: | it is the apparent lack of documentation which is causing this... btw dvb-utils is already the newest version. http://scte65scan.sourceforge.net/ |
| [19:37:56] | Wicked: | sphery, yea. all my videos appear in the my vidoes part of mythtv |
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| [19:39:04] | iamlindoro: | OmniCitadel: Yet I managed to make it work with the current (adequate) amount of documentation-- it's easy to blame others, but it's not terribly impressive |
| [19:39:10] | meshe: | if I capture off the comcast pace DTA's using pvr-150's the channel numbers would match up with comcast digital listings in SD wouldn't they? would I be correct in saying: you only really need scte65scan if you are capturing it via QAM? |
| [19:39:50] | Dagmar: | Probably |
| [19:39:57] | iamlindoro: | so run a "locate atsc", improvise, adapt, and overcome |
| [19:40:05] | OmniCitadel: | iamlindoro: its the fact the documentation points to non existant folder structures based on an ubuntu live cd distro which is less then 24 hours old that gripes me |
| [19:40:16] | Dagmar: | Complain to them then |
| [19:40:19] | sphery: | meshe: yeah, the scte65scan is only important for digital tv scanning for scte65 systems |
| [19:40:27] | OmniCitadel: | iamlindoro: did that and it failed to tune into a single frequence |
| [19:40:34] | Dagmar: | They'll tell you to install dvb-utils and go read a Linux book |
| [19:40:48] | iamlindoro: | OK, you're right, it's the program's fault, the documentation's fault, and you know everything you should know |
| [19:41:00] | iamlindoro: | OmniCitadel: then run "sudo updatedb" and *then* run the locate... |
| [19:41:08] | OmniCitadel: | Dagmar: get bent and if you are going to chime in read my previous posts |
| [19:41:13] | OmniCitadel: | iamlindoro: already did that |
| [19:41:14] | Dagmar: | `find /usr/share -naem atsc` |
| [19:41:16] | meshe: | sphery: i was just tying to figure out if I had to do anything special to match the channels up to SD |
| [19:41:22] | meshe: | thanks :) |
| [19:41:38] | Dagmar: | OmniCitadel: Yes. I saw. You want hand holding because apparently you spent the entire first part of your life in a coma unable to learn to read |
| [19:41:49] | Dagmar: | ...and you're more than happy to blame others for your problems. |
| [19:42:05] | Dagmar: | About the only thing more you could do to lose my respect is to brag about ripping off welfare somehow |
| [19:42:07] | OmniCitadel: | Dagmar: I am not blaming others I am saying I cant figure it out and could use some assistance |
| [19:42:16] | Dagmar: | That having been said, there's nothing wrong with the documentation. |
| [19:42:18] | Dagmar: | Period. |
| [19:42:19] | OmniCitadel: | due to the lack of accuracy in the read me |
| [19:42:33] | Dagmar: | You should already know you need dvs-utils instaled to be able to do anything with DVB. |
| [19:42:40] | Dagmar: | Therefore the file *would* be there if you had a clue |
| [19:42:50] | OmniCitadel: | I ALREADY HAVE DVS-UTILS YOU NIM WHIT |
| [19:42:55] | sphery: | meshe: if doing the analog channels properly (not scanning for analog, but using Fetch channels), definitely no :) |
| [19:43:05] | meshe: | sphery: cool, thanks |
| [19:43:14] | Dagmar: | OmniCitadel: Then you don't have a problem. Glad we could be of help. |
| [19:43:26] | meshe: | just need to find out if the ir blaster i have at home has 2 outputs |
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| [19:43:43] | Dagmar: | Either way, we didn't write the docs, so if you have a problem with that, take it elsewhere and quit wasting our time with your whining |
| [19:44:00] | jheizer: | lmao |
| [19:44:21] | sphery: | or fix the docs--it's a wiki! |
| [19:44:32] | OmniCitadel: | jeeze Dagmar your whitty sinisym has instantly cured all my computer woes |
| [19:44:44] | OmniCitadel: | the wiki is nothing its just a link |
| [19:44:51] | meshe: | OmniCitadel: isn't he great :) |
| [19:44:52] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: works just fine on my end (minus the slave shutdown thing) |
| [19:45:26] | OmniCitadel: | the only documentation on how to use the app is in the read me which is inaccurate for ubuntu cryptic and I just dont get it... |
| [19:45:55] | OmniCitadel: | that is why I am asking for assistance |
| [19:46:10] | OmniCitadel: | I am not bitching and moaning about the thoughful dev who created a solution |
| [19:46:19] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: that link will be most handy :) |
| [19:46:53] | GreyFoxx: | I'm removing 1 box, setup another to auto shutdown and replacing the current master with a lower power one |
| [19:47:16] | GreyFoxx: | as well as replacing the drives with larger drives (and thus less of them) |
| [19:47:24] | OmniCitadel: | and for the record sphery how can I fix the wiki when I dont knwo what the hell I am doing as it is |
| [19:48:43] | OmniCitadel: | I am fairly competant in linux but this whole mythtv thing has been a time consuming process but documentation was out there and search able... but looking for 65 google finds jack as to any thing of use |
| [19:49:07] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: as a thank you, just send me 10% of all the power savings :) |
| [19:50:22] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
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| [19:50:53] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: btw, since danielk branched 30mins before I sat down to switch Gray-OSD to use the small size fonts for default, I've been sitting on the changeset... Do you want it in -fixes or just trunk or neither? |
| [19:51:01] | meshe: | sphery: you speced out a cheap fe? did you make a wishlist? |
| [19:51:28] | GreyFoxx: | I'd push it to -fixes |
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| [19:51:38] | GreyFoxx: | and trunk of course ;) |
| [19:51:38] | meshe: | since our dollar will be worth more than yours by the end of the month, a US link is fine ;) |
| [19:51:53] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: thanks. I'll do that soon |
| [19:52:05] | resno: | meshe: what currenecy do you have? |
| [19:52:09] | GreyFoxx: | I plan to move my main FE to a ion soon and make that shutdown as well rather than leave it all on 24./7 as I do now |
| [19:52:11] | meshe: | canadian |
| [19:52:17] | GreyFoxx: | I have no good reason to keep all of these running all the time |
| [19:52:19] | sphery: | meshe: I have it saved for myself, but can't figure out how to make it visible to others |
| [19:52:34] | sphery: | meshe: though I really don't want to recommend any of the parts to others, anyway |
| [19:52:48] | meshe: | sphery: mind if i ask why? |
| [19:52:52] | resno: | everyone has been clamoring to get the specs and hes not releasing it. |
| [19:52:55] | sphery: | and I've just changed it to use a different (cheaper, actually :) mobo that has an AMD chipset/ATI GPU since I don't need nvidia, now :) |
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| [19:53:14] | sphery: | mainly because I don't want to be blamed when it's not what others were expecting |
| [19:53:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | GreyFoxx, for me with a bunch of 2-PCI-slot P3–733 desktops that supported WOL sitting around, it was "move MBE to fileserver w/ HDHR tuners, spread 3 analog tuners across 2 separate WOL diskless slaves, move 2 PCI ATSC tuners in another WOL diskless slave, turn off the VMware server, install mythjobqueue on the wife's dual-core desktop, and turn off the original MBE and SBE permanently in the process" |
| [19:53:28] | meshe: | sphery: *nod* |
| [19:53:30] | sphery: | i.e. I know how I use my myth box and what I feel is important, but others like other stuff |
| [19:53:35] | gbee: | meshe: because if it doesn't work out for any reason he doesn't want to feel responsible (at least that's why I avoid recommendations) |
| [19:53:37] | sphery: | some actually like small/pretty cases |
| [19:53:41] | sphery: | I don't care about that |
| [19:54:26] | ** gbee shrugs ** | |
| [19:54:38] | resno: | somehow i think my fe choice wont be possble. small and cheap. |
| [19:54:39] | sphery: | meshe: though, I can say that it's right at $200 and is a very nice (and relatively-low-power) CPU (currently an AMD 65W TDP dual-core, but on the 22nd it will switch to the 45W TDP dual core that's released that day) |
| [19:54:48] | GreyFoxx: | Captain_Murdoch: Yeah. that's about what I plan to do. But it will be 5 PCI tuners in a diskless slave with WOL, and my hdpvr in the new fileserver/master |
| [19:54:59] | meshe: | i may have to make the switch from intel to amd for my myth boxes for price reasons |
| [19:55:09] | sphery: | though I don't guarantee that cpu will do HD-PVR decoding in software in realtime |
| [19:55:32] | GreyFoxx: | Captain_Murdoch: I imagine the shutdown/startup stuff works pretty reliably for you ? |
| [19:55:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | only non-laptop machines with disks in the house are the fileserver, my dev workstation which stays in S3 99% of the time since I use a laptop mainly, and my wife's machine. |
| [19:56:11] | meshe: | iamlindoro: what proc do you use for decoding hd-pvr content? |
| [19:56:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, although I'm running the backport to 0.21-fixes. I've run the trunk version of the WOL code quite a bit in testing as well, but not in production. |
| [19:56:31] | iamlindoro: | meshe: Q6600 upstairs, Q9650 downstairs |
| [19:57:07] | meshe: | nice, multithreaded decode? |
| [19:57:27] | iamlindoro: | meshe: No, the Hd-PVR puts out single-sliced encodes, so you can only use one core |
| [19:57:35] | meshe: | ahh |
| [19:57:39] | iamlindoro: | at least, until ffmpeg-mt gets merged |
| [19:57:41] | meshe: | nice to know the 6600 will handle it though |
| [19:58:14] | iamlindoro: | meshe: 9650 without question, the 6600 can have some trouble with it at times |
| [19:58:36] | iamlindoro: | if you set to VBR it handles it pretty okay |
| [19:58:43] | iamlindoro: | high bitrate CBR can still choke it, though |
| [19:58:45] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: do you have your system set up so that it does a wake on power? (For >50% of my systems, losing power to the NIC prevents future WOL.) |
| [19:58:50] | meshe: | hmmm |
| [19:59:07] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: ouch really? |
| [20:00:02] | GreyFoxx: | Are they onboard nic's >? |
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| [20:02:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, I don't remember if I have them setup to turn on after power loss. have to check that. I do have the same issue wher tehy won't WOL after a powerloss though. |
| [20:03:19] | mchou: | yup |
| [20:03:58] | mchou: | that's because wol state on NIC gets lost after power loss |
| [20:04:33] | meshe: | thanks sphery and iamlindoro, useful info |
| [20:04:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, I think I have them set to "go to the same state as before the power loss", I should set them to turn on by default and they'll get shutdown immediately. I have a UPS on them all, and rarely lose power for longer than the UPS will handle, but should fix that setting anyway. |
| [20:04:43] | mchou: | usually a driver needs toset the NIC to the appropriate WOL 'power on' mode |
| [20:04:51] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: yeah, onboard nic's... the wol works by maintaining some info in what's seemingly volatile memory, so when it loses power... :( |
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| [20:05:11] | sphery: | By having it wake on power, though, it could then connect, get shut back down, then wol will be fine, I'd assume. |
| [20:05:15] | sphery: | not tested, though :) |
| [20:05:33] | GreyFoxx: | I'll be putthing mine on a UPS so it would get some time from being in basically 0 power mode for a while |
| [20:05:43] | GreyFoxx: | but I'd still need to wake on power |
| [20:05:48] | GreyFoxx: | just in case |
| [20:06:04] | sphery: | yeah, I got rid of UPS's on my network because they caused more downtime than not having them |
| [20:06:14] | mchou: | what?? |
| [20:06:19] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [20:06:21] | mchou: | how is that possible? |
| [20:06:28] | sphery: | the UPS's would get into a state where they required a reset from some of the spikes/surges/... |
| [20:06:28] | GreyFoxx: | bad batteries ? |
| [20:06:35] | Dagmar: | Ooooh |
| [20:06:40] | Dagmar: | REALLY crappy upses |
| [20:06:42] | sphery: | no, just refused to return power until you reset the breaker |
| [20:06:46] | sphery: | yeah, crappy APC's |
| [20:06:50] | mchou: | sphery: that's because you bough el cheapo UPS |
| [20:06:52] | GreyFoxx: | I have some really nice rackmount ones from work |
| [20:07:04] | sphery: | mchou: move to FL and tell me that |
| [20:07:10] | mchou: | ups with AVR would never do that |
| [20:07:37] | ** Captain_Murdoch is running a bunch of Belkin black-Friday specials. store had a bunch and nobody was buying them so I went through the line a few times. $20 each. ** | |
| [20:07:59] | sphery: | well, the UPS's were useless, the batteries needed replacing /at least/ once per year, and thanks to journalling filesystems, things generally work fine without them |
| [20:08:08] | mchou: | what?? |
| [20:08:23] | mchou: | dude, you living off grid? |
| [20:08:27] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: Heh, work had a flood and we replaced a bunch of beefy UPS' "just in case"... so now everything at home is on "free" UPSes :) |
| [20:08:31] | mchou: | sphery: ^^^ |
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| [20:08:54] | mchou: | sphery: runny your PCs on solar power? |
| [20:09:00] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: Note these are UPSes that never got touched by water |
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| [20:09:09] | mchou: | running* |
| [20:09:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | in case of any surges related to the surge |
| [20:09:57] | mchou: | sphery: what model APC is this? |
| [20:10:01] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, /me doesn't want to lose 2 minutes of House though while the fileserver/MBE reboots because somebody can't keep their trees trimmed. |
| [20:10:28] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: that's the other nice thing--we almost never lose power here |
| [20:10:35] | ** iamlindoro will be missing 60 minutes of House tonight ;) ** | |
| [20:10:36] | Dagmar: | I'm of the opinion that classifying "downtime" without breaking it down into "planned" and "unplanned" downtime is dim. |
| [20:10:36] | sphery: | unfortunately, we have very dirty power |
| [20:10:46] | Dagmar: | Planned downtime is no big deal. |
| [20:10:51] | Dagmar: | *Unplanned* downtime is failure. |
| [20:11:10] | Dagmar: | Having to power down to spend 2 minutes replacing UPS batteries == no big deal. |
| [20:11:16] | mchou: | sphery: then that makes no sense what so ever. how come batteries need to be replaced ~once/yr on your UPS then? |
| [20:11:23] | Dagmar: | Not having UPSes and dirty power blowing out your PSU unexpectedly, huge deal. |
| [20:11:40] | Dagmar: | mchou: Crappy power, and cheap UPSes |
| [20:11:49] | Dagmar: | I'm running about that long on the dinky ES 350's I buy |
| [20:12:02] | meshe: | i'm missing House because i'm so far behind in the series that i'm just going to buy all the dvds and this season will be on dvd before i get through the previous ones |
| [20:12:21] | mchou: | bah |
| [20:12:28] | jheizer: | Up 407 days, 20:32 :-) Router box |
| [20:12:28] | mchou: | I miss the old house |
| [20:12:58] | mchou: | house has been too "sensitive" since his rehab |
| [20:13:34] | jheizer: | la la la la la (about 3 seasons behind on house) |
| [20:13:48] | mchou: | jheizer: oops :) |
| [20:13:53] | jheizer: | haha, no problem |
| [20:13:59] | ** GreyFoxx checkes his watch.... house is Mondays! ;) ** | |
| [20:14:08] | jheizer: | we started over on dvd a while back |
| [20:14:09] | mchou: | jheizer: 3 seasons behind means you dont watch house at all |
| [20:14:13] | mchou: | :) |
| [20:14:23] | jheizer: | nothing commercials don;t say anyway |
| [20:15:26] | meshe: | jheizer: you watch commercials? |
| [20:15:54] | jheizer: | was watching something live the other day and it had a million house commercials |
| [20:16:12] | mchou: | So you think you can dance? :) |
| [20:16:17] | jheizer: | or should say the wife was watching something live and I was on the laptop |
| [20:16:22] | jheizer: | ha, might have been it |
| [20:16:39] | jheizer: | seemed like they were on ever 2 minutes |
| [20:16:53] | mchou: | yeah, that's a dance break :) |
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| [20:42:26] | sphery: | gbee: I don't know how you magically deleted #7324 (part 1) but if you'd like to repeat it for the one I made, feel free :) |
| [20:43:07] | gbee: | sphery: 'Delete' link appears next to the 'Reply' link for comments in the message body when logged in |
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| [20:43:36] | sphery: | so delete on the top deletes the ticket, not just the description? |
| [20:44:29] | sphery: | ah, I see--gives you options after you click it |
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| [21:51:31] | jeffjeffdejeff: | hey all. looking for some help here. just bought a hauppauge 500mce and have realised that it's analogue only. should i send it back if i'm looking to record /watch freeview in the uk – or is there some way of feeding my freeview box into the tv card and getting them to work together? |
| [21:53:13] | Dagmar: | If you have s-video or composite output you can |
| [21:53:22] | Dagmar: | Otherwise, you just bought the wrong card for the job |
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| [21:54:41] | jeffjeffdejeff: | thanks dagmar. looks like my freeview box only has scart output. grrr. oh well, will phone them tomorrow morning (hopefully before they've dispatched it ) and cancel the order. on that note, can anyone recommend a digital twin tuner for about 100GBP that will work with myth? |
| [21:55:01] | gbee: | jeffjeffdejeff: you want to return it (assuming it's not going to cost you too much), you can route it but it's a sub-optimal solution |
| [21:55:11] | Dagmar: | You can get a converter for scart to s-video |
| [21:55:22] | Dagmar: | Dunno about the relaative quality of the conversion tho |
| [21:55:29] | _ben: | i'd return it tbh |
| [21:55:30] | gbee: | Hauppauge Nova-T 500 |
| [21:55:34] | _ben: | and get ^^ |
| [21:55:55] | _ben: | ^^ has twin tuners – just makes life a bit easier |
| [21:56:01] | jeffjeffdejeff: | i'd rather have the right tool for the job than work round an ordering ballsup |
| [21:56:16] | Dagmar: | Get the Nova-T then |
| [21:57:12] | gbee: | alternately a new model Nova-TD 500, essentially the same as the Nova-T but a slight revision which will accept two aerial inputs to boost signal strength |
| [21:57:32] | gbee: | the Nova-TD 500 may have replaced the Nova-T 500 |
| [21:58:00] | jeffjeffdejeff: | does the nova t 500 come with a remote? |
| [21:58:03] | _ben: | yeah |
| [21:58:35] | _ben: | jeffjeffdejeff: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_500_PCI |
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| [21:59:30] | _ben: | gbee: do you find the 1.20 firmware sucks balls? |
| [21:59:35] | _ben: | i'm still using 1.10 |
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| [21:59:43] | jeffjeffdejeff: | does it do its own decoding? (sorry guys, i'm new to this) but have limited processor power |
| [22:00:03] | gbee: | not sure what I'm using, probably 1.10, I've not touched it in a couple of years |
| [22:00:28] | gbee: | jeffjeffdejeff: none of the cards do, at least not in linux |
| [22:00:36] | _ben: | jeffjeffdejeff: probably better to say what hardware you have and what you expect to achieve |
| [22:00:48] | gbee: | but for mpeg2 you really don't need to worry |
| [22:01:20] | janneg: | _ben: 1.20 works fine here with disabled remote control |
| [22:01:33] | _ben: | aha |
| [22:01:48] | jeffjeffdejeff: | oh ok. thought i read that was one of the good things about the pvr500mce. essentially, i'm looking for something cheap, supported in mythbuntu, has a remote and will let me work with freeview. |
| [22:02:39] | gbee: | jeffjeffdejeff: it's a non feature, especially for a dedicated frontend, it's different when you are dealing with H264 encoded HD, but there is no HD on freeview |
| [22:02:58] | jeffjeffdejeff: | hey this nova -t is half the price of what i ordered earlier! how's that? :) |
| [22:03:07] | gbee: | and if you even need hardware decoding, then buy an nvidia graphics card |
| [22:03:18] | Dagmar: | It's a different product? |
| [22:03:22] | jeffjeffdejeff: | hahaha |
| [22:03:38] | Dagmar: | Different things cost different amounts, man. |
| [22:03:59] | jeffjeffdejeff: | i (perhaps wrongly) assumed that analogue would have been cheaper than digital |
| [22:04:02] | _ben: | i'm pretty pleased with my setup and it didn't cost the earth |
| [22:04:15] | gbee: | jeffjeffdejeff: digital tuners are actually less complex than analogue capture + encoders, less expensive parts on the board means lower overall cost |
| [22:04:21] | Dagmar: | The analog card has the additional parts overhead of requireing an MPEG encoder chip |
| [22:04:23] | jeffjeffdejeff: | thank you gbee. |
| [22:04:40] | Dagmar: | The digital card is already being handed a digital stream. All it has to do is tune it in like a fancy modem. |
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| [22:08:26] | gbee: | jeffjeffdejeff: just make sure you are looking at the Nova-T 500 and not the Nova-T which is single tuner, not dual |
| [22:08:46] | jeffjeffdejeff: | http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000I1RHWA/ref=asc . . . N=B000I1RHWA |
| [22:10:34] | jeffjeffdejeff: | looks about right. hope that scan.co.uk will allow me to return it. :s |
| [22:10:55] | _ben: | eurgh |
| [22:10:57] | _ben: | scam |
| [22:11:04] | _ben: | how much did you pay for it? |
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| [22:13:39] | jeffjeffdejeff: | sorry ben? |
| [22:14:24] | _ben: | it should be fine if the analogue one is unopened |
| [22:14:43] | _ben: | i've had friends who had issues with returning stuff to them hence the nickname 'scam' |
| [22:15:31] | jeffjeffdejeff: | yeah, scan use citylink (bastards). i'm thinking of just refusing to accept delivery. |
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| [22:18:08] | _ben: | does hulu have subtitles/captions? |
| [22:20:32] | sphery: | heh, hulu's player can barely keep up with playing the video, let alone subs/caps |
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| [22:20:44] | jeffjeffdejeff: | gbee- you mentioned the nova td 500? will that equally as well with myth? only i see that scan are selling that version. might work in my favour if i'm requesting that model instead |
| [22:21:04] | sphery: | _ben: ttbomk, they don't have them, but if they did, they'd be unusable on my Athlon X2 6000+ |
| [22:21:14] | _ben: | sphery: blah, not in the US so i can't view it but trying from our US office it don't seem to work anyway |
| [22:21:29] | _ben: | work == show video |
| [22:21:49] | sphery: | it's extremely inefficient player |
| [22:21:55] | sphery: | the one on CBS website is much better |
| [22:21:58] | gbee: | jeffjeffdejeff: I don't have a TD, I do know that an older model didn't work with linux but the newer one does, in all probability the one scan are selling will be the new |
| [22:22:05] | sphery: | Fox is better, but not a lot |
| [22:22:11] | jeffjeffdejeff: | hmmm. doesn't come with a remote :( |
| [22:22:13] | sphery: | nbc/hulu player is awful |
| [22:22:25] | gbee: | however I'd defer to anyone who is actually using a TD |
| [22:22:31] | _ben: | ah, if you say it's a waste of time i'm not going to spend anymore time on it :) |
| [22:23:08] | gbee: | jeffjeffdejeff: for £15–20 on ebay you can get what I consider to be the best remote available for MythTV |
| [22:23:59] | jeffjeffdejeff: | you forget you're talking to a retard though. it would probably take me as long to get the sodding remote working as it would the card. |
| [22:25:05] | _ben: | the remote that comes with the nova card does teh job tho |
| [22:26:47] | jeffjeffdejeff: | i see on the amazon page, some reviewers are saying that you have to enable the amp and turn off autosleep to get the nova t card working in myth. know if that's a pain in the arse? |
| [22:27:01] | gbee: | hmm, I can't find anyone selling the MCE remote kit on ebay, when there used to be hundreds, so looks like MS have stamped on that :( |
| [22:27:54] | gbee: | jeffjeffdejeff: ignore the autosleep bit, doesn't apply anymore that I'm aware, enabling the amp is easy |
| [22:28:40] | gbee: | it's a one line addition to a config |
| [22:29:00] | jeffjeffdejeff: | will it apply if i'm buying the Nova T 500 rather than the td 500 though? will go for the t500 from amazon if it comes with remote. |
| [22:29:43] | jeffjeffdejeff: | all this myth talk is thirsty work. lager methinks.... |
| [22:33:12] | gbee: | I really don't know enough about the TF |
| [22:33:14] | gbee: | TD |
| [22:35:35] | jeffjeffdejeff: | you guys have been a great help already. |
| [22:47:25] | jeffjeffdejeff: | don't like the look of having to configure the remote control though :s |
| [22:47:54] | _ben: | the one that ships with it? |
| [22:48:12] | jeffjeffdejeff: | yeah. |
| [22:48:19] | _ben: | it's easy |
| [22:48:44] | _ben: | if i can manage it ... |
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| [22:49:08] | jeffjeffdejeff: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_WinTV_No . . . #IR_Receiver (all that makes no sense to me) |
| [22:49:43] | jeffjeffdejeff: | be careful ben – you're almost walking into the trap of me asking you for help when the sodding thing arrives on friday! :) |
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| [22:50:11] | _ben: | tbh, i used that wiki article and http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php |
| [22:50:15] | _ben: | and it worked |
| [22:51:35] | jeffjeffdejeff: | that's reassuring. bet i can still find something to go wrong though. |
| [22:52:28] | jeffjeffdejeff: | you used the nova t500? work ok? just put it in the pci slot and boot up – all recognised? |
| [22:52:30] | _ben: | isn't that part of the fun? |
| [22:52:54] | jeffjeffdejeff: | you're right. it is if you're prepared to navigate the curve. |
| [22:53:13] | _ben: | there's a bit of fiddling but it's covered in the wiki and that parker1 guide and there's quite a few nova-t 500 users |
| [22:53:22] | _ben: | so it's not like you are fighting unknown hardware |
| [22:54:02] | jeffjeffdejeff: | good stuff. |
| [22:54:17] | jeffjeffdejeff: | you in the uk? |
| [22:54:28] | _ben: | i'm in laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaandon |
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| [22:56:38] | jeffjeffdejeff: | i'll count that as a yes then.....geeza. do you use it for freeview? i guess i'm just wondering on how the channel listings and what not work (if at all). are you able to tell myth to record a series of programmes – episodes etc? |
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| [22:57:09] | iamlindoro: | Most of the UK folks use the Radio Times Grabber from xmltv |
| [22:57:20] | iamlindoro: | and yes, telling to record a show/episode/etc. is exactly the point of myth :) |
| [22:57:22] | jeffjeffdejeff: | and could i tell it to record a show that i've forgotten about from a remote pc by email or something? |
| [22:57:38] | jduggan: | mythweb |
| [22:58:03] | jeffjeffdejeff: | http://www.mythweb.com/ haha |
| [22:58:23] | iamlindoro: | no, mythweb the myth web administration plugin |
| [22:58:27] | jeffjeffdejeff: | yeah, i'm with ya :) |
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| [23:02:32] | _ben: | jeffjeffdejeff: I used to use EIT |
| [23:02:59] | _ben: | i switched to the radio times grabber as EIT prevented my machine from shutting down |
| [23:03:06] | jeffjeffdejeff: | wassat? |
| [23:03:11] | jeffjeffdejeff: | oh. |
| [23:03:23] | _ben: | EIT basically grabbing listings over the air |
| [23:03:27] | jeffjeffdejeff: | i imagine my machine will be on 24/7 |
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| [23:03:42] | _ben: | EIT will be fine then, or the radiotimes stuff |
| [23:03:44] | jeffjeffdejeff: | unless "swampy" my girlfriend has anything to do with it |
| [23:03:49] | _ben: | lol |
| [23:04:08] | _ben: | it's more my wallet i'm worried about :p |
| [23:04:22] | jeffjeffdejeff: | she keeps trying to use that one on me too. |
| [23:04:47] | jeffjeffdejeff: | it's ok though. i've got a small fillipino on a bike with dynamos in the kitchen. |
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| [23:05:33] | jeffjeffdejeff: | this multiplexing business seems quite good. |
| [23:05:52] | jeffjeffdejeff: | so much to play with. still – must get the basics right first (if i can) |
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| [23:10:05] | jeffjeffdejeff: | night all. thanks for your help. |
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| [23:55:33] | jduggan: | just watched the first two generation kill |
| [23:55:36] | jduggan: | good shi |
| [23:56:08] | tbone: | so a last second bug hey. |
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