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Sunday, October 11th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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pyther:

Is there anyway to downscale the video the backend sends to the front end?

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wagnerrp:

no

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gnarface:

really?

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gnarface:

transcoding all happens on the frontends?

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pyther:

Damn, wireless G doesn't work to well for HD channels :(

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wagnerrp:

there is no 'on-the-fly' transcoding

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gnarface:

can you sneak ffmpeg into there somewhere with pipes?

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wagnerrp:

0.23 will provide a rewrite of the way recordings are handled

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gnarface:

just quick and dirty like?

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wagnerrp:

which will allow multiple videos to be stored against a single recording

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wagnerrp:

and allow you to keep multiple different resolutions and bitrates as you see fit

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wagnerrp:

as far as on-the-fly transcoding, most of the components exist, but its waiting for someone to put it all together

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[R]:

doesn't that require a beefy cpu?

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[R]:

mmmm... beef

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wagnerrp:

depends on from what to what

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[R]:

lets say downscaling 720p h264 to 480 mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

luckily, multiple cores would come to your aid

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[R]:

transcoding is multithreaded?

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wagnerrp:

at the very least, you can separate the decoding and encoding threads

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[R]:

ah... i really can't wait till i get all my stuff set up

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[R]:

its going to be so legendary

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pyther:

Does the frontend have a buffer of any type?

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wagnerrp:

not much of one

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wagnerrp:

the idea being that your network is stable enough to not need a significant buffer

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pyther:

Bugger, the network is stable, but wireless g is just to slow

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pyther:

And I have to way to run a cable down to the basement

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wagnerrp:

thats wrong

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wagnerrp:

g is often fast enough, but the network isnt stable

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wagnerrp:

or the network is too slow AND not stable

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pyther:

wagnerrp, I'm dealing with HD video here

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wagnerrp:

G on a good signal, with one client will push mid-20s

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wagnerrp:

but it will drop out

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Hodapp:

slow, unstable, dropout... sounds like me.

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** Hodapp runs **

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wagnerrp:

multiple clients, or noise, or a B user, and your bandwidth plummets

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pyther:

Well I"m getting about 1.7MB with scp :(

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pyther:

Was getting nearly 2.6MB tho other day

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pyther:

So that is part of my problem

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wagnerrp:

1.7MB/s is 13.5mbps, wholly insufficient for HD

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pyther:

So In theory I should be able to do about 6MB with a solid G connection, right

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

in practice, the best youll get is 3MB/s, maybe 3.5

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[R]:

there is no theory when it comes to RF

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[R]:

well there is... but its 100% irrelevent

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wagnerrp:

that rated 54mbps is the bitstream

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Hodapp:

[R]: There's plenty of theory, but if I tried to show it to you, you'd prefer to cut off your own hands.

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wagnerrp:

not the functional data stream

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[R]:

Hodapp: i work with RF for my job

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Hodapp:

[R]: How do you work with one hand?

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[R]:

Hodapp: ahah

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pyther:

Ahh

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pyther:

I wonder why my signal would drop so much within two days :(

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[R]:

environmental factors...

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wagnerrp:

neighbor starting to use wireless

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[R]:

is someone using their microwave oven?

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wagnerrp:

new cordless phone

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wagnerrp:

baby monitor (apparently those are terrible)

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[R]:

those use 2.4?

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wagnerrp:

the video ones

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[R]:

video baby montiro!?

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[R]:

what is this world coming to

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pyther:

I wonder if changing the channel would help

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unimaginative:

The wireless baby monitors are awesome. Apparently some jewelrey store got robbed and had 3, all the robber had to do was sit outside and pick up the unencrypted video feed coming from the store.

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[R]:

what pisses me off... is my laptop will get like near 80% quality... but my mythbox always gets lke 30 or 40%

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pyther:

There we go

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pyther:

2.6MB is more like it

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tbone:

oh man i see that mythtv still isn't working with pulseaudio very well, I really don't know why I always have problems with mythtv and pulse, everything else works finally with pulse, any way of getting it to work?

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wagnerrp:

myth works with alsa

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wagnerrp:

pulse tries to emulate alsa, but does it poorly, which is where the problem lies

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tbone:

I know it works with alsa but it would be very nice if it worked with pulse

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wagnerrp:

and none of the devs are too interested in adding an output directly for pulse

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tbone:

look with all due respect wagner i play videos with mplayer, vlc, no problem with pulse, at least its good enough for my untrained ears

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tbone:

perhaps its not good enough for the audiophile

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wagnerrp:

no, mythtv uses certain capabilities of alsa that do not exist in pulse

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iamlindoro:

it's not about quality, it's about the fact that pulse ALSA emulation only supports a very small subset of ALSA functions

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wagnerrp:

and without them, mythtv will lose sync

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tbone:

ah i see

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wagnerrp:

it can get as bad as tens of seconds off

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wagnerrp:

in order to make mythtv work with pulse, someone has to write a not insignificant chunk of code

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wagnerrp:

and as mentioned, none of the devs are currently interested in doing so

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tbone:

is that just because of the way myth uses backend frontend type stuff

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wagnerrp:

the frontend is the only thing that ever touches audio output

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wagnerrp:

maybe once all the current and planned reworks get finished, someone might make pulse support

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wagnerrp:

which will likely not be before 0.23

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jduggan:

like most features in myth, theyre written coz people that can, want them.... chances are if someone was capable of integrating pulse it would be included

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wagnerrp:

unless someone else steps up and submits patches

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Seeker`:

what sort of timescale is expected for 0.23?

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iamlindoro:

four months

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iamlindoro:

give or take

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tbone:

yeah i suppose its probably not trivial or it probably would be done already

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tbone:

cuz the rest of myth kicks ass

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Seeker`:

myth is great, which is what makes the small problems so annoying

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, xris: Okay to apply #6079?

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kormoc:

sure

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iamlindoro:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

Every time I go back there's still more low hanging fruit ;)

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tbone:

anyway without using pulse to send audio to two different sound cards?

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tbone:

that is audio from mythtv

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kormoc:

tbone: create a route audio device in your asound conf file

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kormoc:

or a multi type

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kormoc:

multi would likely be the easier solution

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tbone:

ok i'll look that up

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tbone:

thanks

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Seeker`:

My screensaver activates a lot while watching VIDEO_TS ripped from a DVD. It would seem that when it gets to a DVDNAV_CELL_CHANGE, mythtv resets its timer for calling the screensaver --disable and --poke commands, but the screensaver timer doesn't reset, meaning that the two get out of sync

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[R]:

i'm a genius... i'm turning my desktop into my frontend until i fix the video card in my regular myth box

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Seeker`:

:D

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Seeker`:

I've worked out what the problem is with my screensaver, just need to work out how to fix it

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Seeker`:

or, rather, I can now predict when the problem will occur accurately

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Seeker`:

Any idea where I would begin looking for the code that deals with keeping the screensaver from activating?

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[R]:

its in the frontend

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[R]:

the DPMS code

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pembo13:

i have a PVR-500, which is constantly having vidoe flickerings

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pembo13:

flickering, for lack of more appropriate term

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[R]:

what does that mean

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pembo13:

the audio is fine, but the video keeps getting distored

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Greek-Boy:

[R] What is so genious about using your desktop as a myth fron end?

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pembo13:

i have a PVR-250, and it's fine

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[R]:

Greek-Boy: because i've had my mythbox off for so long since i can't use it

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Greek-Boy:

and while we're on the topic of video flickering. I have a similiar problem but mine only occurs slightly during panning...

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Seeker`:

Greek-Boy: is it like juddering rather than flickering?

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Greek-Boy:

i'm not sure if its juddering or flickering but it only occurs on the top part of the screen

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jduggan_:

sure its not tearing?

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Greek-Boy:

its an horizontal line

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Greek-Boy:

tearing seems to be more like it...

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jduggan_:

sounds like it

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jduggan_:

nothing to do with your pvr 500

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jduggan_:

more to do with your x config/graphics

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Seeker`:

I think tearing is caused by the screen data being refreshed mid-frame

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pembo13:

jduggan_: who me?

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pembo13:

i have two two cards

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pembo13:

a PVR-250, and a PVR-5500

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pembo13:

500*

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pembo13:

thr PVR-250 works just fine

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pembo13:

the PVR-500 had random distortions on both cards

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pembo13:

i'm trying to figure out if it's a config problem, or i just need to dump the card

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Seeker`:

anyone here familiar with the libmythui code? (specifically screensaver-x11.cpp)

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[R]:

Seeker`: do you have an atcual question?

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Seeker`:

[R]: I wanted to discuss the problem I think I may have found with someone who understands the code a little better than I do.

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pembo13:

[R]: here's an example of the flickering: http://pembo13.net/flickering.mpg

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[R]:

pembo13: thats going extremely slow... so its gona take me a while to get it

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pembo13:

[R]: scratch that, i will upload to somewhere more useful

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[R]:

i tghnk its my connection

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[R]:

i thiink i'm maxing it out on my other computer

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[R]:

i got half of it though

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[R]:

leemm see

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pembo13:

ok cool, should be about 8 seconds

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[R]:

yeah

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[R]:

that must be annoying

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pembo13:

followed the ivtv how to do and did a cat on it

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pembo13:

[R]: ah, so you've seen the video

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pembo13:

well i replaced a pvr-radio with this pvr-500

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pembo13:

since the -radio uses up so much CPU

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pembo13:

but this PVR-500 has all this flickering

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pembo13:

i just want to know if it's a bad card, or a config prob

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pembo13:

google hasn't helped

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pembo13:

even second hand the PVR-500s are a bit expesive, so don't want to do away with this card if i can help it

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unimaginative:

Anyone remember my problem the other day about the spontaneous music coming from my frontend? :)

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[R]:

pembo13: i'd guess its the card

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pembo13:

[R]: thanks

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pembo13:

[R]: i just put in new mobo, so i know its not the mobo

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pyther:

How does mythbackend determine if it is able to shutdown?

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unimaginative:

pembo13, never assume that just because something is new, it's not broken :)

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pyther:

like how does it determine when it is idle

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unimaginative:

it just checks if there are any jobs currently running, or about to start

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pyther:

unimaginative, so say I'm doing a file transfer, the machine might still shutdown?

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[R]:

pyther: it shuts down if it knows its not in use... it doenst care about anythign else happening

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pyther:

Hmm that is a bugger

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unimaginative:

pyther, [R] is correct. If myth is not doing it, then it doesnt care

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[R]:

you can lock shutdown

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pyther:

ahh okay

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pyther:

with mythshutdown?

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[R]:

if your backend is eetup to use thatl, then yes

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pyther:

cool, if I do a manual reboot, will the lock go away?

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[R]:

the lock is in the db

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[R]:

once its set its set until you unset it

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pyther:

I could combat that though by adding the unlock command in rc.local ;)

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unimaginative:

What does this mean? they're *filling* my logs:CC length(19) seq_num(2) 0x8a 0x31 0x99 0x1b 0x41 0x0 0x1 0x1f 0x10 0x90 0x5 0x3 0x91 0x3f 0x0 0x3f 0x92 0x1

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pembo13:

unimaginative: i didn't assume that, it's not new... second hand

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Pascal:

Hi – I'm seeing a lot of instances of this while using the latest svn trunk, is there anything to be concerned with or is it normal?

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Pascal:

1000 2062 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z 21:38 0:00 [mythfrontend] <defunct>

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unimaginative:

<pembo13> [R]: i just put in new mobo, so i know its not the mobo

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pembo13:

unimaginative: oh, well... seems unlikely that two diff mobos would have the same problem with a PCI card.. i had an olde rmotherboard, and upgraded the system in the hope it was the mobo causing the ivtv problems

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[R]:

unimaginative: how does that become a logical conclusion?

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[R]:

err pembo13*

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[R]:

but its rpboably the card

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pembo13:

[R]: how does what become the logocal conclusion?

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[R]:

you changed the motherboard... so it can't be that

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pembo13:

[R], it seems unlikely that two diff. motherboards would affect the same card in the same way

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[R]:

well like i said... probably the card

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pembo13:

[R]: i agree with your prognosis

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pyther:

How can I figure out what is causing this?

[03:31:37]

pyther:

2009-10–10 23:30:01.496 adding: mythtv as a client (events: 0)

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[R]:

a client connecting

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wagnerrp:

that would be a frontend, jobqueue, job, or mythweb

[03:32:44]

wagnerrp:

my bet is on mythweb

[03:32:56]

pyther:

Hmm, its mythrename.pl :(

[03:33:08]

wagnerrp:

also, you really shouldnt name your computer 'mythtv'

[03:33:09]

pyther:

Kicks in every 15 minutes just enough to kill the shutdown

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wagnerrp:

it tends to cause problems if you even want to change names or us multiple machines

[03:34:33]

pyther:

I'll consider that, I won't mess with anything now though, because I don't feel like fixing stuff

[03:34:46]

pyther:

I wonder if I could prevent mythrename.pl from waking the machine

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wagnerrp:

i do not believe mythrename has any WOL capability

[03:37:07]

wagnerrp:

so your machine is probably just waking on generic network activity

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pyther:

wagnerrp, lol, I meant that I wonder if I could prevent mythrename.pl from causing the backend to go out of the idle state

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pyther:

As in when mythrename.pl it restarts the idle countdown which would shutdown the machine

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pyther:

And what would cause this: 2009-10–10 23:36:08.894 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 1.0 GB w/freq: 15 min

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wagnerrp:

scheduler running

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pyther:

That seems to also be resetting the counter

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wagnerrp:

happens every so often on the backend

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pyther:

So how do I prevent it, I went the machine to shutdown

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pyther:

*want

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wagnerrp:

that should not prevent the backend from shutting itself down

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pyther:

wagnerrp, http://pastebin.ca/1611512

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pyther:

it looks like it did :-|

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wagnerrp:

dont know what to tell you

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wagnerrp:

ive never used that capability

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pyther:

Is it possible to disable it?

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pyther:

err...

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pyther:

2009-10–10 23:36:21.611 I'm idle now... shutdown will occur in 900 seconds.

[03:43:30]

pyther:

2009-10–10 23:41:18.332 I'm idle now... shutdown will occur in 900 seconds

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pyther:

How the hell does that happen!!!

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sphery:

"Ticket #7291: Screensaver not reset in a timely fashion" — and you really have to have a 1-min timeout on the screensaver? A 2-minute one wouldn't do?

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Seeker`:

sphery: The issue would still be there with a 2-min timeout

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Seeker`:

and I would end up with even more stuff burnt in to my plasma screen

[03:57:20]

Seeker`:

I get faint OSD and menu images left on the screen with a 1-min timeout

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sphery:

but how likely is it to really occur with a longer timeout?

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Seeker`:

ah, is the 50 second repeat of the poke because of the "50" default here: m_timeoutInterval = GetMythDB()->GetNumSettingOnHost("xscreensaverInterval", GetMythDB()->GetHostName(), 50) * 1000;

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sphery:

Seeker`: yep.

[04:05:14]

Seeker`:

ah, ok

[04:05:43]

Seeker`:

so it will only occur if the screensaver time is < 2x the poke interval

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sphery:

which is why I thought 2min might work for you

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sphery:

for the screensaver timeout

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Seeker`:

yeah, 2 min would work

[04:08:47]

Seeker`:

but would it not be a good idea for the default value to be able to cope with the full range of settings for the screensaver in the GUI?

[04:08:48]

sphery:

but you could change the xscreensaverInterval to 25 if you prefer

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Seeker`:

yeah, thats what I am just looking at doing

[04:09:29]

sphery:

I think the default value should be a reasonable value for people with "more typical" screensaver timeouts (of > 1 min)

[04:10:14]

sphery:

basically, as long as you have a screensaver enabled, there's a chance that it will activate, no matter what setting we use

[04:10:28]

sphery:

unless we constantly poke it

[04:11:00]

sphery:

and, running an external binary every 50 sec during playback is already enough overhead

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clever:

if your actualy playing video, id run the binary once to disable it

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sphery:

running gnome-screensaver-command too frequently already caused a lot of users huge issue with remote delays

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sphery:

clever: we (Myth) can't do that

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sphery:

because there's no way to ensure that it will be restarted

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clever:

and then reenable it after x seconds of being paused, similar to how the dpms turns on/off

[04:12:08]

clever:

the poking, id only use from a menu, whenever the user hits a key and its been >interval seconds since the last poke

[04:12:15]

sphery:

so media players are not allowed to disable screensavers

[04:12:17]

sphery:

ask Jamie

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Seeker`:

if Myth was killed unexpectedly, the screensaver wouldn't come back up

[04:12:30]

sphery:

Seeker`: exactly

[04:12:34]

clever:

sphery: you cant tell the screensaver to resume normal activity?

[04:12:42]

sphery:

see 2lines above

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Seeker`:

is there a GUI setting for xscreensaverInterval that I'm overlooking?

[04:13:48]

clever:

there are alot of settings that are totaly missing from the gui

[04:14:01]

sphery:

clever: Or, straight from the horses mouth: http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html#dvd

[04:14:25]

sphery:

Seeker`: that one has no setting--you may be the first person to ever need to change it :)

[04:14:44]

Seeker`:

which table in the DB is it?

[04:15:02]

clever:

Seeker`: settings

[04:15:53]

clever:

sphery: it would help a great deal, if the screen saver checked the dpms config in the x server

[04:16:09]

clever:

then we can just rely on code that is already working fine in myth

[04:17:55]

sphery:

clever: he also answered that question somewhere--but basically, it's not portable/standard enough to work properly

[04:18:46]

clever:

its open source, just fix whatever its not portable with :P

[04:18:55]

clever:

throw out patches for every X server

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wagnerrp:

http://calgary.en.craigslist.ca/trp/1373376861.html

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sphery:

it's not open source on Solaris and HPUX and ...

[04:19:13]

wagnerrp:

any takers?

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sphery:

it = the installed X server

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Seeker`:

sphery: shorter interval has fixed the problem. Thanks :)

[04:19:58]

clever:

sphery: ah, you have a point there

[04:20:21]

sphery:

Seeker`: good. A comment on the ticket would be useful for the dev who takes it (likely Stanley or Shane)

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AndrewNC_:

post flagged for removal (what was it?)

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sphery:

AndrewNC_: well, it's Saturday night and wagnerrp is browsing craigslist postings, so any guesses what he might be looking for? :)

[04:23:00]

sphery:

I'm guessing a cheap computer for a new Myth box...

[04:23:02]

iamlindoro:

not if he has to go all the way to Calgary for it

[04:23:19]

wagnerrp:

i would go the lengths of the earth for hot canadian lovin

[04:24:00]

wagnerrp:

nah, someone sent me the link

[04:24:05]

Seeker`:

eugh, spoke too soon. Just happened again.

[04:24:08]

wagnerrp:

seems its been floating around the internet for a couple weeks

[04:24:31]

sphery:

Seeker`: did you restart mythfrontend after changing the setting?

[04:25:26]

sphery:

note, also, that--and I have to admit my complete lack of understanding of what DVDNAV_CELL_CHANGE is--Myth is purposefully designed to allow the screensaver to activate on DVD menus

[04:25:45]

Seeker`:

sphery: no

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sphery:

Seeker`: if you don't restart you need to run: mythbackend --clearcache

[04:26:05]

Seeker`:

but the frequency of it occuring has decreased

[04:26:40]

sphery:

though if you didn't have a value for that setting before, you wouldn't have had to

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sphery:

i.e. if you did INSERT INTO versus UPDATE

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Seeker`:

I didn't have a value before

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Seeker`:

yeah, it was an INSERT

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sphery:

you're using 25s

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Seeker`:

29s

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sphery:

that's too short

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sphery:

there can be >1s of slop

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sphery:

use 25s

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sphery:

(too short--meaning the difference between 29s and 1/2 of 1min)

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wagnerrp:

anyone know off hand where the alsamixer settings get stored?

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sphery:

or meaning I should be in bed now

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sphery:

/etc/asound.state

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sphery:

unless your distro moves it

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wagnerrp:

the individual user mixer location is in /etc

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wagnerrp:

?

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AndrewNC_:

no

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sphery:

wagnerrp: it's system-wide

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Seeker`:

sphery: changed that

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sphery:

there is no user setting

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wagnerrp:

ah

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sphery:

Seeker`: this time, use the mythbackend --clearcache

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sphery:

one sound card = 1 state :)

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AndrewNC_:

you can have per user settings that are loaded

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Seeker`:

yeah, did that

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Seeker`:

I should probably go to bed now, its 0530

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sphery:

true, session managers or whatever may store per-user stuff and switch it on login

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AndrewNC_:

what got me was that the session managers control permissions on the alsa related files

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Seeker`:

sphery: thanks for the help. I've updated the bug.

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sphery:

Seeker`: thanks for updating

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sphery:

hope it works for you this way

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AndrewNC_:

my crazy no user X setup didn't have sound until I tracked that down

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Seeker`:

np; the screensaver thing was what annoyed my girlfriend most about mythtv, so should hear significantly less grumbling now

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sphery:

:)

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Seeker`:

g'night

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wagnerrp:

heh... half a dozen people involved in a shootout in a bar in my city

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wagnerrp:

no injuries

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sphery:

wagnerrp: wait, I thought it was Arizona that made carrying guns into bars legal?

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wagnerrp:

oh yeah... shootouts in a bar are perfectly fine, but man, they violated a big one carrying those guns in

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I just meant that I really expected to hear about such a shooting in Arizona, not OH(?)

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Hodapp:

what about ohio?

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wagnerrp:

see comment 3 minutes ago

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Hodapp:

um, I saw that

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Hodapp:

would you like to say what your city is?

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wagnerrp:

cincinnati

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Hodapp:

WHAAAAAT

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Hodapp:

what bar

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Hodapp:

p.s. if you wanna know why I'm so curious, a /whois might tell you

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wagnerrp:

well i caught a news clip from a recording last night on WKRC

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wagnerrp:

but i cant seem to find the article

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Hodapp:

I was involved in a fight in Gameworks once

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Hodapp:

no guns though.

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Hodapp:

just some dude strung out on drugs.

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wagnerrp:

looks like this 'local bar' was actually in toledo

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Hodapp:

wtf

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Hodapp:

that's not like several hours north or anything...

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wagnerrp:

only five

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wagnerrp:

thats still local

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Hodapp:

yeah, totally

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wagnerrp:

never much liked gameworks, wasnt really the arcade type

[04:51:18]

wagnerrp:

spent far more time on the 3rd floor

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wagnerrp:

friends with someone who used to be a manager there

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Hodapp:

I am not at gameworks too often

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Hodapp:

this fight was just dumb though

[04:55:15]

wagnerrp:

as most arent?

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Hodapp:

it had no real reason behind it.

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kormoc:

Gameworks is good only for silent scope and area 51

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Hodapp:

kormoc: Apparently it's also good for being strung out on drugs and starting fights.

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matt___:

Hello

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matt___:

is the HDHomeRun still the best route for HD?

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MrMadMoneyMan:

hello

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wagnerrp:

that depends entirely on your wants

[05:07:11]

MrMadMoneyMan:

just need to record over the air digital

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MrMadMoneyMan:

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wagnerrp:

then the HDHR is a good choice

[05:07:36]

MrMadMoneyMan:

is there anything cheaper?

[05:07:36]

wagnerrp:

is it the best? well thats a matter of opinion

[05:08:17]

wagnerrp:

the HVR-2250 is a cheaper dual tuner

[05:08:44]

wagnerrp:

the HVR-1250 (pcie) is cheaper per-tuner

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MrMadMoneyMan:

wagnerrp, do you happen to know the 3–4 most popular HD tuners people use with myth

[05:08:53]

wagnerrp:

as are the K-World (pci) tuners

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MrMadMoneyMan:

this is also for QAM and ATSC

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wagnerrp:

the pinnacle 800i (pci) can be cheaper, if you find a deal on it

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wagnerrp:

but its normally found for $70-$80, and is often out of stock anymore

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MrMadMoneyMan:

wag, have you ever used the 2250?

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wagnerrp:

no

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MrMadMoneyMan:

just wondering how much fiddling it takes to work.

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wagnerrp:

the drivers for it were only written a couple months ago

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wagnerrp:

and as far as i know, are still a separate repository, not the normal v4l-dvb one

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wagnerrp:

and its digital only, no analog encoder support yet

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MrMadMoneyMan:

no analog is fine

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MrMadMoneyMan:

but yeah, sounds like the driver siuation is a little scary

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wagnerrp:

the real worth of the HDHR is its flexibility

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wagnerrp:

you can have extra tuners, even if youre out of slots in your backend

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wagnerrp:

or you can put it in your attic, to prevent a long coax run off your antenna

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[R]:

arg my master plan is failing miserably

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[R]:

i can't get a ntworking connection between my backend and frontend

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[R]:

it seems as if my network cable is not crossover and the ntwork adapter in my laptop is smart and the ones in both my computers are stupid

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wagnerrp:

it only takes one side to be 'smart'

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wagnerrp:

youre not connecting anything through a switch?

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[R]:

i know

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[R]:

i have no switches

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[R]:

i'm jsut trying to connect these 2 computesr together

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wagnerrp:

what???

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[R]:

i'm only 24... i dont have a big pile o crap

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[R]:

i havnet had time to amass one

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** wagnerrp requests the return of [R]'s geek card **

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

so, pull out your crimp tool and make a new end

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[R]:

i guess i *could* move my router and modem in here

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[R]:

i dont have a crimper

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wagnerrp:

so you do have a switch, its part of your router

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[R]:

yes

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[R]:

but i'd rather not have to move that stuff

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[R]:

ah scrfew it

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[R]:

i might as well

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PhoenixMage:

Hey guys, XBMC isnt finding any videos over UPnP, does it search recursively for videos? I am using trunk

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wagnerrp:

xbmc does not search for videos over upnp

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wagnerrp:

it request a list of files at the current level from the server

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wagnerrp:

what IP did you tell your backend to use?

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PhoenixMage:

wagnerrp: It seems only to be with video as it finds my recordings ok

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PhoenixMage:

it is using the NIC ip not 127.0.0.1

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wagnerrp:

did you setup mythvideo on the backend?

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wagnerrp:

the upnp server and mythvideo are completely independent

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PhoenixMage:

yeah, I have mythvideo setup on the backend

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wagnerrp:

however the upnp server uses the directory listed in 'VideoStartupDir' on that host to scan for content

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wagnerrp:

restart your backend with '-v upnp'

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PhoenixMage:

yeah, that is set to the directory that contains my videos in a subdirectory, ie /data/multimedia/videos

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wagnerrp:

and you should be able to watch it scan through the folders

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PhoenixMage:

and then under that I have hd, other, blu-ray, etc

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wagnerrp:

and figure out what it is doing, or not doing

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PhoenixMage:

hmmm, seems VideoStartupDir is set incorrectly

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PhoenixMage:

Thanks for the tiop

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PhoenixMage:

tip

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[R]:

ok, well it looks like the network is up and all my boxes are talking

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[R]:

EXTREME

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[R]:

it's working

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[R]:

i have like a million failed recordings

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PhoenixMage:

Is there any way to make your recorded tv show up in WMP as recorded tv rather then video?

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wagnerrp:

the myth upnp server splits recordings, video, and music into three separate folders

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wagnerrp:

if WMP reorders those on its own, theres nothing mythtv can do about it

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PhoenixMage:

bugger

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PhoenixMage:

thanks again wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

looks like there is a separate field for 'recorded tv'

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wagnerrp:

must be one of the special non-upnp things used by media center extenders

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wagnerrp:

so yes, original point still stands

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[R]:

oh man this is so extreeme

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[R]:

wagnerrp: its all working great

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[R]:

no vdpau preemptions or anyhting

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[R]:

wagnerrp: can i watch my dvd if the drive is in my backend?

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Guest85494:

Anyone know how to determine the 'skip' and 'count' in sudo dd if=hcw88bda.sys of=/lib/firmware/dvb-fe-cx24116–1.20.79.0.fw skip=81768 bs=1 count=32522

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[R]:

Guest85494: what do you mean how to determine?

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[R]:

Guest85494: they are right there

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Guest85494:

I knowe, I know, but if you were trying to use a newer firmware (like the version 124 that is available on the Hauppauge site)

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[R]:

you have o know where it is in the file

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Guest85494:

Yes, and do you know how to figure that out?

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[R]:

read the file

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[R]:

and find where it is

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[R]:

and how big it is

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[R]:

good luck with that

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[R]:

you could look at the old one, and what it slices out... and see if you can find an ysimliarities in the new one

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Guest85494:

I tried to look at 120 ans 122 in a hex editor and found some simularities, but not enough to determine it exactly.

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Guest85494:

I was just hoping that there would be someone here that knew how this is done... Thanks for your time!

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gunni:

I upgraded my ubuntu backend to ubuntu beta (karmic). Now the backend does not work with dvb card (HVR 1300). I can watch dvb with kaffeine. I tried deleting and adding the dvb card in mythtv-setup, but no success. Scanning channels does not find any channel. I cant see any error in the mythbackend.log. Any ideas where to look next?

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henkpoley:

gunni: already asked in #ubuntu-mythtv (and forums?)

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henkpoley:

They probably know about ubuntu specific problems

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gunni:

I asked in #ubuntu-mythtv, but really silent there atm

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henkpoley:

MythTV is -seems to be- mostly a U.S. thing

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gunni:

Yes, that could explain the silence in the channel

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henkpoley:

All I can say is that the 9.04 mythtv had troubels with my DVB-C receiver, so I now use trunk and it kinda works

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henkpoley:

I needed to add most multiplexes by hand, but then scanning works

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henkpoley:

Also for EIT to work I had to set the network to 500, while it really should work 8888 (Ziggo network, The Netherlands).. 8888 is the local branch of their global 500 network

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henkpoley:

But the channel scanner worked either way

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gunni:

I was running trunk on 9.04 already, and it worked.

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henkpoley:

If you are running trunk you could ask on mythtv-dev too

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gunni:

Is there a way to get more debugging info. like running mythbackend in debug mode, or something similar?

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henkpoley:

mythtvbackend can be run from the commandline, there are several `-v ***` options

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henkpoley:

I believer you van run mythtvbackend --help to find out the options

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gunni:

i try that

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henkpoley:

`mythbackend -v help`

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henkpoley:

Shows all the verbose debug options

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gunni:

Well just came to my mind: As i have no channels, i dont think mythbackend will give me useful information

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gunni:

Ah, ok the same options seem to work for mythtv-setup, too

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hiemanshu:

Where can i find the beginner installation guide

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chainsawbike:

hiemanshu, maybe just use the likes of mythdora? how do you want to install it?

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hiemanshu:

chainsawbike, Install it via repos on (Fedora 11), i want to know how to set it up

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chainsawbike:

id start with mythtv-setup in that case

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hiemanshu:

Is there a guide for it?

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chainsawbike:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_on_Fedora

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hiemanshu:

Thank you

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hiemanshu:

chainsawbike, i got it setup using the instructions, but now when i go to mythfrontend, i choose Live TV and it shows the number 1, then screen goes blank and returns me to the main menu

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chainsawbike:

run in a termanial – pastebin the output

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hiemanshu:

chainsawbike, http://fpaste.org/GMJQ/

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chainsawbike:

my guess would be incorrect channel/device setup

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hiemanshu:

could not using nVidia drivers be a problem as well?

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chainsawbike:

so run mythtv-setup again and make sure you go thu all steps starting at the top

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chainsawbike:

i doubt its causing this error

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chainsawbike:

but unless you have reasons not to use them i would ( for vdpau )

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chainsawbike:

but that depends on the mythtv version...

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chainsawbike:

hiemanshu, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/196070#196070 may help

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hiemanshu:

chainsawbike, nope, i checked, all input set to Tuner 1

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hiemanshu:

if i do mplayer /dev/video0 and change output i can watch TV

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chainsawbike:

well is "tuner 1" the correct tuner?

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hiemanshu:

Yup

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hiemanshu:

And yeah, i cannot scan channels, which wont let set starting channel

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hiemanshu:

and mythtv-setup gives me an error

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chainsawbike:

well if you cant scan channels there is no way you can watch them with myth

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chainsawbike:

so the real problem is you cant do a channel scan?

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hiemanshu:

The scan Channel button is not active

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joe2371:

Hi. Can I import a channel list in zap format into mythtv? (eg.: azap/czap/tzap)

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AndyCap:

joe2371: import channels.conf is an option in the channel editor iirc.

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joe2371:

AndyCap: ok, thanks. I'll have another look.

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AndyCap:

joe2371: a multiselect box with full scan, tuned scan etc.

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chainsawbike:

hiemanshu, ok so i know the state of everything under "capture cards" there is a capture card and when you go into it it does not show "not found"

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chainsawbike:

or failed to open

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hiemanshu:

chainsawbike, i opened Capture Card and changed it to MPEG encoder card whatever, and it scanned for channels

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chainsawbike:

so it works?

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hiemanshu:

Yup

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hiemanshu:

Checking frontend now

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hiemanshu:

chainsawbike, It works now

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chainsawbike:

:)

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hiemanshu:

yay!!!

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hiemanshu:

I need to set up recording now

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hiemanshu:

Thank you chainsawbike and AndyCap

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hiemanshu:

I finally have it working

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hiemanshu:

Now, is there a frontend for Windows?

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chainsawbike:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Windows_Port

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chainsawbike:

but i cant get it to build...

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hiemanshu:

http://mythtvnews.com/2007/12/05/full-mythtv- . . . for-windows/

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hiemanshu:

chainsawbike, i dont seem to have sound on it

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chainsawbike:

mythfrontend?

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hiemanshu:

yup

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chainsawbike:

have a dig round in the settings – i cant rember exactly were they are for sound

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chainsawbike:

prolly want it set to alsa

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hiemanshu:

does mythtv works with Pulseaudio?

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chainsawbike:

not as far as i know

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henkpoley:

hiemanshu: yes

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chainsawbike:

i think it tries to disable it while it is running

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henkpoley:

at least my ./configure seems to mutter something about PulseAudio (afaik)

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henkpoley:

ah :-P

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hiemanshu:

I have 2009-10–11 17:23:07.054 Mixer unable to find control PCM

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hiemanshu:

when i run mythfrontend from terminal

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** chainsawbike avoids pulse so has no ideas **

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hiemanshu:

Its not alsa or pulseaudio

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hiemanshu:

Its that the Mixer seems to have problems controlling the PCM output

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chainsawbike:

maybe because pulse wants exclusive control?

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hiemanshu:

A reboot should fix it

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hiemanshu:

I have to now get it working over the network, the Guide would help me

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** hiemanshu wishes India has an EPG **

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sphery:

hiemanshu: assuming you've set your Audio output device to ALSA:default and your Mixer device to ALSA:default, that error means that you've set Mixer controls to PCM and your sound card is one of the new "Intel HDA" sound cards that has no PCM control. You need to change Mixer controls to Master. If you get the same error about Master: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/398127#398127

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hiemanshu:

sphery, I have not set Audio device(No option when i choose MPEG card in Capture Cards)

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hiemanshu:

and my Sound card does have PCM control (KMix shows me PCM)

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joe2371:

Hmm. Frontend can't seem to see the mpegs in the ringbuffer. "Error was encountered while displaying video" in LiveTV. Console log says "Couldn't read file: myth://192.[snip].mpg"

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joe2371:

It also says "waited too long"

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joe2371:

The mpegs are there, though. In the videos directory on the MBE.

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sphery:

joe2371: remote frontend?

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joe2371:

sphery: yes

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sphery:

joe2371: if so, that's either a) Storage Group configuration error, b) permissions error, c) NFS misconfiguration, d) clock/time zone error (clocks and/or time zones on the 2 systems disagree)

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joe2371:

the clocks do indeed disagree...

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joe2371:

by so much as four hours

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hiemanshu:

chainsawbike, sphery here is the output of frontend from commandline http://fpaste.org/0C4Z/

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hiemanshu:

still no audio :(

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sphery:

hiemanshu: Audio /output/ device is /not/ part of the recording profiles (which record from /inputs/). It's the frontend setting under the main General Settings used for playback.

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hiemanshu:

The recorded video has audio though

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sphery:

joe2371: on the bright side, in trunk (so, /very/ soon in 0.22), Myth wouldn't even start up the remote frontend if clocks disagreed by more than 5 minutes

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sphery:

not that that helped you

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sphery:

hiemanshu: yes, because it's recorded from the appropriate audio /input/ device (which, in the case of an MPEG encoder card is handled by the card itself)

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hiemanshu:

ah, so where do i change the output device?

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sphery:

hiemanshu: set the audio /output/ device and mixer device appropriately, then try both setting for Mixer controls, then read that post I mentioned if you still have issues: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/398127#398127

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sphery:

hiemanshu: 10.11 08:30:07 <+sphery> hiemanshu: Audio /output/ device is /not/ part of the recording profiles (which record from /inputs/). It's the frontend setting under the main General Settings used for playback.

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sphery:

read the last part of that, too :)

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joe2371:

sphery: well, I reset the slow clock on the backend, and then restarted mythbackend on that box. But still no video. I'm not using NFS, so its likely a storage group or permissions error?

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sphery:

joe2371: you need to restart mythfrontend, too

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sphery:

but, yeah, it still could be the others

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hiemanshu:

sphery, i tried almost all devices in the Frontend General Setting changing to alsa:default and alsa:analog and other stuff

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joe2371:

sphery: yay!

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hiemanshu:

No sound still

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joe2371:

:-)

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hiemanshu:

sphery, yay!!! I got it working

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hiemanshu:

Not to setup the remote Control

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hiemanshu:

now**

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sphery:

hiemanshu: what did you have to change?

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Seeker`:

sphery: no more complaints from gf about screensaver :D

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sphery:

Seeker`: nice :)

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hiemanshu:

sphery, i had to change the audio output device to ALSA:surround51

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hiemanshu:

sphery, and what are the Keys Menu for Live TV?

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hiemanshu:

In Edit Keys

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sphery:

you mean what do you use to jump to LiveTV?

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sphery:

if so, there's a jumppoint called LiveTV

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sphery:

set it to something

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hiemanshu:

Nope

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hiemanshu:

Not that

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hiemanshu:

I want to set the Keys on the Remote Control

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sphery:

if you mean what keys do you use to control LiveTV, it's the TV Playback or TV * context

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hiemanshu:

Ah thankyou

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sphery:

just look through those and find the ones you want set

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hiemanshu:

Yup

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sphery:

(where TV * means any other context starting with TV)

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hiemanshu:

sphery, Where can i give channels names?

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Seeker`:

hiemanshu: the channel editor in mythtv-setup?

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hiemanshu:

Seeker`, ah ok, thank you

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tmkt:

morning

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Seeker`:

hi

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tmkt:

solved all my issues by going to ubuntu 9.04 with mythtv trunk – other the superslow prgram guide

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joe2371:

OK. Well, despite the use of guide data from SD, most of my channels are labled unknown. And almost all of the channels that are duplications. So in effect, the guide lists only a small number of unique shows on at any moment. :-/

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tmkt:

which didn't happen with 9.10

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joe2371:

...that are known are...

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Seeker`:

joe2371: you have 1 copy of the channel from the tuner, one copy from the data?

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Seeker`:

I want to know how to increase the number of 30-min blocks displayed int he program guide in trunk

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joe2371:

Seeker`: it's hard to say. I have what looks like several instances of the same channel, but with different punctuation in the channel number (ie. 123_4 and also 123#4). But I also have blocks of say, 10 channels in a row that all have the same label (say, ESPNNEWS) that all claim to have the same programming.

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joe2371:

But then 80% of the channels are simply "unknown" and have no listings.

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Seeker`:

I would guess that the "unknown" ones are ones picked up by the tuner

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Seeker`:

and the other ones are from listings by SD

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joe2371:

That seems likely. I'm not sure what that implies I should do next. Delete them all and re-add from SD listings only?

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Seeker`:

joe2371: When setting up my mythtv box, I copied the xmltv config from the guide channels to the ones created by the tuner

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Seeker`:

took £$%^^&* ages

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joe2371:

Seeker`: ok. Sounds like fiddling around with it is the name of the game.

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hiemanshu:

So what region do i see while Scanning for Channels for India/Asia

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hiemanshu:

set**

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Seeker`:

no idea, sorry

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joe2371:

In the channel scan configuration, is the choice of ATSC channel separator arbitrary?

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joe2371:

Is it a personal preference? Or is it something I have to look-up somewhere?

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joe2371:

I ask because I'm wondering if the choice needs to agree with whatever Schedules Direct uses.

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joe2371:

If the choice is arbitrary, shouldn't I pick a channel separator for which I have a button on my remotes? Like '0' perhaps?

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joe2371:

It seems I've made a mistake in asking my question at this hour on this day. Everyone else is either in church, asleep, or both.

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Seeker`:

joe2371: sorry, don't know the answer

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joe2371:

Seeker`: thanks. I'll experiment, then.

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** dustybin looks forward to Tuesday, can hardly sleep these days :D **

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joe2371:

What happens on Tuesday?

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stoffel:

joe2371: the release of 0.22

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joe2371:

Ah.

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dodddummy:

pip isn't showing as an option in the menu when watching live tv. is that a setting i need to change to get it to show?

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iamlindoro:

Snap Poll-- I need to know the version of the "transcode" command shipping in current fedora, gentoo, stable debian, and if anyone here runs it, slackware

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iamlindoro:

transcode -v

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iamlindoro:

so if you run one of the above, and it's the latest, I'd appreciate the version #

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Greek-Boy:

anybody had to deal with tearin on intel graphics card?

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bobbob1016:

I have a raid5 with mdadm but it seems to chug every now and then when I try to play HD, 720p or 1080p h264 with vdpau, and copy data to it at the same time. I have an AMD X3 (3 cores) 2.1ghz with 2gig ram. The raid5 has 4 1.5tb drives, with ahci enabled in my bios, and my OS is on a different 160gig sata, any ideas?

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dodddummy:

my 2nd card is usb and the cable was disconnected, looks to be positional, anyway, just making the connection better added pip back to that menu.

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wagnerrp:

on the second split... its time to abandon ship

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AndyCap:

bobbob1016: don't use raid 5? :)

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wagnerrp:

nope

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wagnerrp:

(raid6 here)

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wagnerrp:

hire numbars, moar bettar

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jamesd2:

raid5 or 6 are both limited ot the speed of a single drive and usaually worse.. so writes sucks..

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jamesd2:

er raid5/6 writes

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wagnerrp:

only for non-sequential data

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AndyCap:

well, you could cue up a whole set of stripes to write and have it done pretty quickly, but for small writes you have to read all the other drives, calculate new parity and write.

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wagnerrp:

if youre writing enough data to fill the whole stripe

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wagnerrp:

you get the full speed of all the drives (minus 1/2)

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AndyCap:

and you don't want to be doing a lot of other stuff disrupting that

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tmkt:

any tricks to cleaning the Recordings dir?

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tmkt:

files that aren't in the db but exist on the fs

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bobbob1016:

AndyCap, Getting help with that on #linux, it was suggested I use xfs instead of ext3. I want raid5 for redundancy, they are all 3gbps sata, so I don't think different speeds matter too much.

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AndyCap:

bobbob1016: umm, you do realise how disks work right?

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bobbob1016:

AndyCap, I guess not, but the drives are all the same speed. I'd guess there'd be some variance, but that isn't the issue here. The read/write was 120mbps/107mbps, so not sure.

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jamesd2:

bobbob1016, you also have to relize that sometimes the kernel guesses wrong on how it should cache... while playing movies it may push all your other data out of your cache... and then all of a sudden it may need to pull other data back in to ram thus your system may struggle when it has to do this.

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AndyCap:

bobbob1016: and if you are trying to write to the disks and read to the disks it has to move the diskheads back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, which will totally screw your throughput.

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AndyCap:

d

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AndyCap:

since you can only do so many IO operations per second.

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bobbob1016:

While copying to the drive data to the drive, I got "204mbps" read with "sudo dd if=/dev/md0 of=/dev/null bs=1M count=1024 conv=fsync"

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jamesd2:

bobbob1016, but what size does mythtv use to write data.. it may use 4k blocks.. but i have no clue what the size really is... so you may get bit by the read/re-write cycle in your raid5 that kills performance.

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gbee:

we're getting Defying Gravity in HD over here at the end of the month, any good?

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AndyCap:

you couldn't defeat it in SD? :P

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jpabq:

gbee, I have not watched it yet, myself, but I am told it is very good.

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AndyCap:

In spite of a libido-suppressing device worn by each crew member, referred to as "HALO" for "Hormone Activated Libido Oppressors", romantic entanglements develop among some crew members.

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AndyCap:

Sounds like someone didn't take their pills

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bobbob1016:

jamesd2, My mythtv isn't writing anything, I don't use it to record, only playback.

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jamesd2:

bobbob1016, then you don't understand mythtv.. even livetv writes to the disk.. ever try pausing or rewind a live show?

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tmkt:

gbee

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tmkt:

good

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tmkt:

but dont bother

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tmkt:

its been cancelled

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tmkt:

so if you like it..you'll be setting yourself up for disapointment

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AndyCap:

tmkt: hah, sounds like a series I'd like

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AndyCap:

since they all get canceled after the first season

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tmkt:

yeah..

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tmkt:

tell me about it

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tmkt:

or the 2nd

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tmkt:

Eli Stone...liked that one..and its gone

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tmkt:

started watching Flashforward last night

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tmkt:

enjoyed that

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justinh:

more series should set themselves up for one-shots IMHO

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AndyCap:

well, if they finish the story in some planned fashion instead of a cliffhanger that's fine

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justinh:

I mean who the hell wants 9 seasons anyway? ;-)

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AndyCap:

justinh: the network execu-bots

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justinh:

ah

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justinh:

damn those stinking execu-bots

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justinh:

infact, we have them to blame for everything. 7 too many seasons of Lost, too few seasons of good stuff. Bah

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Seeker`:

how many seasons of lost are there?

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orko:

Hi. I had a working mythtv box but now when i start live tv nothign happens. how can i have more debug output to see what went wrong?

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AndrewNC_:

maybe I'm blind and have missed it: is it possible to display the currently playing rez/fps in the osd?

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gbee:

tmkt: almost everything coming out of the US gets cancelled, if I didn't bother to watch cancelled series I probably not watch anything :)

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tmkt:

defying gravity was from the us filmed in canada

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gbee:

it's pretty hard to comprehend just how American audiences have come to accept cancellations so readily, why haven't they just walked away from channels that can't see things though to the end?

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justinh:

Seeker`: if $LostSeasons > 0 too_Many

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AndrewNC_:

gbee: because the same channel might show other things to the end that are also good

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AndrewNC_:

also, the major broadcast channels have varried enough content that their audience is segmented and not totally overlapped

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gbee:

Lost started to lose me when it became clear that the answers weren't really going to be very satisfying or quite clever enough to justify the time put into watching through to the end

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AndyCap:

gbee: because the things don't usually have an end?

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AndrewNC_:

which isn't to say it doesn't still happen (cbs, nbc, cnn)

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AndrewNC_:

gbee: you thought X-Files was unique in that regard?

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AndrewNC_:

tv serials are never going to be as coherent as a film production

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justinh:

they are in the UK

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justinh:

are/can be

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AndrewNC_:

example? I'd be interested in watching

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gbee:

AndrewNC_: they can be, and several are/were

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AndyCap:

the 5th season of B5 lost me. :)

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justinh:

bloody story arcs :(

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AndrewNC_:

bsg was in hindsight a huge offender

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justinh:

hey the fans/focus groups are saying they want the show to go in a different direction. never mind creative integrity

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gbee:

AndyCap: Life on Mars maybe, The Wire (best bloody series ever to come out of the US)

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AndrewNC_:

never seen either,but have heard of them

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justinh:

plenty of series are self-contained

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AndrewNC_:

Rome was good

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AndyCap:

gbee: do they have an end? :) Life on Mars and The Wire are broadcast here now, but I didn't catch the start of it.

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gbee:

US series probably suffer from inconsistency and incoherence more that most because of the way they are written by multiple independent script writers (or by committee to appeal to the widest audience)

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justinh:

Life On Mars had a definite ending but it was a bit wooly what the actual conclusion was ;)

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AndrewNC_:

Dexter s1 and s2 were good

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AndyCap:

AndrewNC_: yet we are on season 4 or 5 now? :)

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AndrewNC_:

gbee: uk shows usually have smaller writing staff?

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justinh:

AndrewNC_: much smaller

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AndrewNC_:

AndyCap: I lost interest after s3e01

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gbee:

AndyCap: I thought the Life On Mars endings was brilliant and one of the bravest decisions they could have made

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AndyCap:

gbee: that is nice. :)

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AndrewNC_:

US writers are unionized and lazy :p

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AndyCap:

instead of people droning on and on and on until one day whoo, canceled,

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gbee:

AndrewNC_: often just one or two guys for the entire season (though our seasons are often shorter for that reason)

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AndyCap:

and come on, a series is a job not your whole career. :P

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AndrewNC_:

good shows here get canceled: Johnfrom Cincinnati, Carnivale, Deadwood (damn HBO!)

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AndrewNC_:

I was thinking how it would be cool to write a fantasy sports OSD plugin, but then I realized how fascist sports leagues are about their content licensing

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AndyCap:

AndrewNC_: how about a fantasy government plugin? :>

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AndrewNC_:

e.g. family guy episode where Peter taped an NFL broadcast with only ABC consent

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AndrewNC_:

AndyCap: shutdown -r now

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gbee:

Life on Mars ending actually killed the doubts I had about the series, I watched it right through from the beginning but I really wasn't sure whether it was good or merely something to fill my time, last episode kinda sold me on it

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gbee:

if the American version had not been cancelled, I wonder whether they'd have ended it the same way ... I suspect not

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AndrewNC_:

uk The Office is coming to adult swim, great promos with the lead actor ripping on Steve Carell

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gbee:

Ashes to Ashes — Now that was a bad idea

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justinh:

can't stand Ricky Gervais. Typecast as a smug arrogant git

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jduggan:

:|

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jduggan:

i like him

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jduggan:

its the smug arrogant git that i like

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jduggan:

:p

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justinh:

the office hit too many raw nerves for me. Why would I want to watch that when I've had it all day at work?

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pyther:

Naming a machine mythtv is a terrible idea!

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[R]:

is 118 fps for mythcommflag good, bad, or ugly?

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justinh:

depends

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Seeker`:

well, its about 5x realtime

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[R]:

its a 480 h264 (i think)

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[R]:

from my hdpvr

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justinh:

there are worse names for a machine than 'mythtv'

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justinh:

ow, gonna pay for those 25 miles I did today in the morning

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Weezey:

I've got my ATSC tuner quite nicely now and I'm having a weird issue where when I fast forward (keyboard or IR) it'll Jump To the end or it will only go 3X and then when I press play there's no sound.

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Weezey:

If I save the poisition and start playing again, sound works again.

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justinh:

so it's not working quite nicely then :P

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Weezey:

heh, yeah, I guess.

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Weezey:

it's recording correctly now though.

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justinh:

oh dear. Apparently 2 of the flashforward cast have been signed up for FIVE YEARS

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justinh:

oops. standard practise. heheh

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Weezey:

cool, just downloaded the first three episodes, looks good from what I've seen

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: does your editor have an option to show trailing spaces or automatically remove them?

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Weezey:

Figured out one of my issues and a reboot seems to have fixed the other.

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wagnerrp:

Weezey: hopefully off of itunes or amazon?

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wagnerrp:

(neither of which would work with mythtv)

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Weezey:

wagnerrp: off my PVR at work.

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Weezey:

it has more channels. :(

[19:14:44]

wagnerrp:

so you recorded it

[19:14:46]

Weezey:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

talk of 'downloading tv' is generally off limits on this channel

[19:15:19]

Weezey:

sorry, how about "sync'ed" it

[19:16:09]

Weezey:

my office is closer to two major centers so I get better consistent reception and more channels

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Weezey:

we use it in the lunch room

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justinh:

placeshifting will hopefully be as legally grey as downloading one day

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justinh:

if not totally illegal :)

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wagnerrp:

hopefully?

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Weezey:

so it would only be legal for me to watch that recording at the office?

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wagnerrp:

i dont see any problem if you legally own that box

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justinh:

ok then, as illegal as it is pointless in most cases :)

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justinh:

how long does it take to transfer an hour long show over home broadband anyway?

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wagnerrp:

a lot longer than to fill up your USB hard drive over gigabit

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justinh:

heh

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Weezey:

I had to transcode it

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justinh:

eew

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Weezey:

it started out around 9GB per show

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wagnerrp:

yeah, if its at work, bring a hard drive with you

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wagnerrp:

dont tie up your internet (and your work's) transferring multiple gigabytes

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Weezey:

yeah, need a nice offline rsync

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justinh:

unless you *are* the work IT cops it might ring alarm bells

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justinh:

even if you use ssh ;)

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justinh:

actually prolly moreso if you use ssh

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Weezey:

I was going to say

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Weezey:

but yeah, I'm the cops

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

not that the IT guys where I work even know what ssh is

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justinh:

(seriously)

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Weezey:

really?

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Weezey:

that's crazy

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justinh:

really

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justinh:

they tend to put black boxes on desks, run black box software, click on stuff..

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Weezey:

were you the one who told me about ssh -Y ?

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justinh:

doubt it

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wagnerrp:

for insecure X forwarding

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Weezey:

yeah, it's revolutionized my life

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justinh:

I use freenx. it's as good as being here

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Weezey:

liberated a few monitors and keyboards

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wagnerrp:

justinh: does freenx allow persistent programs?

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Weezey:

nx is great too, and fast

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justinh:

wagnerrp: if you leave sessions open yeah

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justinh:

tends to leave child programs open too if you don't keep an eye on it

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wagnerrp:

so you can close the remote terminal, and then join it again somewhere else, without having to open programs back up?

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justinh:

aye

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Weezey:

I don't think I've ever closed my nx session on my main server

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justinh:

it can even resize the desktop to suit the client terminal

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Weezey:

been up for over 500 days now

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justinh:

no sweat going between different resolution clients :)

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wagnerrp:

your server has been running for 500 days?

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Weezey:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

no updates?

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Weezey:

no

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justinh:

best uptime I get is about 8 months, but I take my server offline for maintenance once in a while. cleaning

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justinh:

I daren't update my ubuntu backend. it has hundreds of updates available

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justinh:

safer to just install a newer OS on a replacement HDD

[19:28:42]

Weezey:

I can't update fedora stuff, takes forever

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Weezey:

breaks everything

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justinh:

apt is really sucky at the mo, takes frickin ages to do anything

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justinh:

not the downloading, all the database juggling afterwards

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wagnerrp:

amazing.... aside from some compile time, gentoo updates are generally painless

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Weezey:

yeah, I like gentoo and FreeBSD's approach to updating

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justinh:

yeah well, reason I no longer run gentoo is they trod on my toes once too many times

[19:30:05]

Weezey:

but I've learned more and more that time is money and installing pre-compiled packages saves tonnes of time.

[19:30:13]

justinh:

I wasn't in the habit of reading the entire emerge logs & couldn't cope with too many system-wide config file changes :(

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wagnerrp:

Weezey: so clone your disk image, chroot into the clone to do the update, and then reboot and flip them

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justinh:

broke apache dunno how many times

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wagnerrp:

all of two minutes of downtime

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justinh:

heh never thought of that

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justinh:

havent chrooted since my gentoo days either

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wagnerrp:

and if the update didnt work, just boot back into the old image

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justinh:

don't have anything against gentoo as such, but those config changes left a real bad taste in my mouth

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wagnerrp:

config changes?

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justinh:

esp. when after one upgrade my box suddenly didn't have enough entropy (like wtf) to run php

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justinh:

a long, long time ago now

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i only started using it at like 2005.2, or 2006.0

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wagnerrp:

somewhere around there

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justinh:

basically gentoo had their own apache config method which I was pretty comfy with, then they turned it upside down

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wagnerrp:

cant say ive ever run apache on gentoo

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justinh:

ubuntu have done similar things a few times

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justinh:

but at least the steps you need to take are better documented than things were for gentoo folks back then

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justinh:

it was fine & dandy but I realised for what I really wanted, it was all a bit too much like work

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justinh:

I'm one of those weirdos who use mythtv cos there's nothing else that'll do the job. not cos it's OSS, not cos I'm a linux fanboy (far from it)..

[19:36:07]

justinh:

I just want stuff to work with as little effort as possible :)

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justinh:

which is why I'm not using MCE :D

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oobe:

scan for changes has been fixed

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oobe:

yay

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justinh:

getting on for the 6th year mythtv has been used in this house now. think it's 5 years anyway

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iamlindoro:

oobe, BTW, a little birdie told me you have ttvdb.py set up wrong

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iamlindoro:

as you think it doesn't return season specific banners ;)

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oobe:

hmm

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oobe:

it does

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oobe:

i never said that

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iamlindoro:

It does

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oobe:

i know it does

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oobe:

where did you hear that

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iamlindoro:

http://code.google.com/p/fill-mythvideo-metad . . . detail?id=59 different oobe?

[19:57:08]

iamlindoro:

specifically the last comment

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oobe:

ah i described it wrong

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oobe:

but yes thats me

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iamlindoro:

Please, please don't use that script, btw

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iamlindoro:

it is broken in *many* ways, especially if you try to do so with .22

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iamlindoro:

And I can't provide any support if you are using it-- if you want mass metadata grabs, please use Jamu

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oobe:

there are good and bad about each script

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iamlindoro:

the one above's bad is that you will get no support for any use of MythVideo running it, as it will break your database

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oobe:

i.e if i add info manually to thetvdb.com ttvb.py wont pick it up for a day or two but fill-mythvideo does straight away

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iamlindoro:

That's easy to fix

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oobe:

how

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iamlindoro:

ttvdb_api caches the data to speed up your lookups

[20:00:28]

iamlindoro:

if you add something, rm -rf /tmp/ttvdb_api_*

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iamlindoro:

and then your local cache is clear

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oobe:

ls /tmp/ttvdb*

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oobe:

ls: cannot access /tmp/ttvdb*: No such file or directory

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iamlindoro:

just one t, sorry

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iamlindoro:

/tmp/tvdb_api_*

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oobe:

sweet that works

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iamlindoro:

the cache is a huge advantage for our implementation too, his demolishes the source, ours performs one lookup for all the non-image data

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oobe:

i had somthing ready to test

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oobe:

i spose your saw the problem i had with episode title's also

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oobe:

still would be nice if i could use jamu to do a bulk update on a specific directory

[20:03:58]

oobe:

like fill-mythvideo-meta does

[20:04:20]

oobe:

it has -F for file and -D for directory

[20:05:25]

oobe:

there is a specific show that wont retrieve season posters i think that is what i meant

[20:05:31]

oobe:

not season banners

[20:05:41]

oobe:

but its only one show

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oobe:

touch Soap.S01E01.avi to test

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oobe:

fill_meta also make's thumbs for my poker videos that are unlisted in databases's too

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oobe:

but i recovered most metadata with ttvdb and tmdb.pl

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[R]:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing

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[R]:

EXTREME... that's just what i wanted

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oobe:

iamlindoro, are there any scripts like your old thumbscript.sh that are supported for .22

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[R]:

if somehow mythvideo got set to play a video after another video ends... where is that stored in the db?

[20:20:26]

[R]:

i can't seem to find it

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: You can do a specific directory withe jamu. Try jamu -MI "/dir of interest/" /same dir of interest/"

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RDV_Linux:

s/withe/with/

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oobe:

hey thanks i didnt know

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oobe:

i looked for that before and couldnt find it

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RDV_Linux:

You can also use -MG in that same command string

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oobe:

what is an interef

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RDV_Linux:

It is a IMDB# for movies or a TMDB# for a TV Series

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justinh:

a go-between adjudicator? ;-)

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RDV_Linux:

the name comes from the data base field

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RDV_Linux:

oobe: Experiment with this but you can also rename to a standard format your video files with the -F option like -MIF or -MGF in the command string I gave you early.

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Seeker`:

what nonsense?

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justinh:

people asking if mythfrontend can be made to run on standalone boxes with 16MB RAM & junk

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CShadowRun:

haha

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Seeker`:

heh

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iamlindoro:

oobe, http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1613425 .22 compatible thumbscript

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CShadowRun:

People always seem to have trouble with running out of PCI slots for cards, is there any reason why people don't just use USB ?

[20:40:13]

joe2371:

Say, "Sure! You just have to implement mplayer in FPGA."

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iamlindoro:

oobe, just edit in the relevant values, note that it's not really set up to handle Storage Group hosted Screenshots

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Seeker`:

CShadowRun: Isn't USB slower than PCI

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CShadowRun:

Seeker`, yea, but at the end of the day you probably don't need all that transfer speed

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oobe:

iamlindoro, thanks

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oobe:

i dont use storage groups yet

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CShadowRun:

i mean, stream a channel through PCI, stream a channel through USB, what's the difference at the end of the day :)

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oobe:

i read the transition guide and decided not to

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CShadowRun:

i could understand if it was a PCI based hard drive or something, but you don't need all that transfer speed for streaming a couple hdtv streams i think

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justinh:

USB is fine for tuning duties but for one thing. disconnects :-(

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jduggan:

CShadowRun, historically, usb devices quite often had problems with disconnects etc, im not sure on the current status

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oobe:

video seems to stream better over wireless using sshfs

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CShadowRun:

oh :(

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CShadowRun:

why would it disconnect?

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justinh:

because it's a crap interface/protocol ?

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Seeker`:

goes to sleep, I think

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CShadowRun:

well true it is a crap interface/protocol, but i've used usb wifi before and it doesn't disconnect :P

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Seeker`:

wifi constantly sends "I'm here" signals

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CShadowRun:

ah

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Seeker`:

tuners switch off when they are not recording. I think there are issues with some tuners going to sleep when they aren't being used

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CShadowRun:

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CShadowRun:

but no pci slots :(

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CShadowRun:

well actually, one pci slot

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joe2371:

Uh, well, you'll always save power and cost with something like an ARM rather than an ARM wrapped in and x86 compatibility layer.

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CShadowRun:

mythtv runs on arm?

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CShadowRun:

this is for a front/backend btw

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iamlindoro:

Yes, Myth can run on ARM (not sure I'd recommend it, but...)

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CShadowRun:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

There are even some random BeagleBoard tweaks

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CShadowRun:

looking at the hardware requirements, looks like you want a pretty beefy processor for the job anyway

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CShadowRun:

and an nvidia graphics card

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joe2371:

For a frontend, I guess it depends on how much of the load can be carried by the GPU.

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CShadowRun:

i could go seperate with the frontend and backend

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joe2371:

I have a dual core celeron as my MBE with two hvr-2250s in it and it lopes along using only about 70 watts total. It's headless, though.

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CShadowRun:

hehe

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CShadowRun:

can the atoms handle hd playback?

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CShadowRun:

as a frontend

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Seeker`:

dunno, look for reviews of netbooks playing back HD

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joe2371:

Uh, I think it depends on your graphics hardware. You'd want to check that a particular chip has enough througput to feed the graphics card. And that the GPU could essentially do all the heavy lifting.

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[R]:

CShadowRun: with vdpau they can

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mishehu:

CShadowRun: ION

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CShadowRun:

[R] without vdpau?

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[R]:

CShadowRun: nope

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mishehu:

I've got one waiting to load up myth onto, but I've gotten good word that the atom-ION boards can handle full hd playback no problem.

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CShadowRun:

aww :(

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[R]:

CShadowRun: my core 2 2ghz can barely handle it

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CShadowRun:

oh that isn't so bad, the ion boards are only a little more expensive than the standard atom boards

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CShadowRun:

i'm pondering the old server in the basement + a cheap frontend (leaving room for expandability) vs frontend+backend box

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joe2371:

[R]: how much cache in that core2 ? Or what is the model number even?

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[R]:

joe2371: its one of the originals

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[R]:

i dont really know

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joe2371:

cat /proc/cpu man

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[R]:

it c an do 720, but chokes on 1080

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hednod:

i thought all the core2's were 6mb

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joe2371:

er, cpuinfo

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joe2371:

no

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Seeker`:

I think my core2 duo E6750 can do 1080p h264 without problems

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[R]:

sayas 4mb

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joe2371:

[R]: OK.

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[R]:

its a 6420

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Seeker`:

an AMD 2700+ can't

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hednod:

a 2700+ is pretty old

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Seeker`:

yeah

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Seeker`:

but is it faster than an atom?

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joe2371:

Yeah, there's a huge range of cache sizes. Some celerons are actually core 2 duos with most of the cache disabled due to defects.

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[R]:

Seeker`: its completely different from an atom

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[R]:

Seeker`: it doesnt matter if its faster or slower

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hednod:

Seeker`: newer atoms are dual-core AND hyperthreaded

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hednod:

they still only reach what..1.6? 1.7ghz though?

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joe2371:

that's not saying much at 1.2GHz and no cache, though. ;-)

[21:02:08]

[R]:

you can overclock those ion's to 2 ghz

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Seeker`:

it does, if an atom is slower than a 2700+ at decoding 1080p video, then it won't be able to playback 1080p

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[R]:

an atom can't do 1080... dind't i already tell you that

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mishehu:

if the atom is slowed and doesn't have vpdau

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[R]:

it can't do 720 either

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gbee:

atom is crazy slow

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joe2371:

I thought we'd already established the need for an Atom to offload essentially all of the decoding to the GPU.

[21:03:22]

hednod:

joe2371: wouldn't taht require xvmc?

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gbee:

but then it's purpose in this world isn't speed, it's using as little power as possible whilst still being fast enough to run a stripped down general purpose OS

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[R]:

hednod: vdpau

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joe2371:

Uh, I think VDPAU trumps xvmc, no?

[21:03:52]

hednod:

new tech?

[21:04:01]

hednod:

ah thats why they abandoned xvmc

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iamlindoro:

if new = over a year old

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hednod:

i saw people talking about how xvmc only worked on certain cards and before

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joe2371:

well, xvmc works on more hardware, but does less of the decoding.

[21:04:23]

hednod:

no one mentioned the successor

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joe2371:

iirc

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** mishehu often thinks of changing his nick to "iamNOTlindoro" just for sh1ts and giggles **

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mishehu:

:-)

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gbee:

xvmc is largely irrelevant, even bottom of the heap processors evolved to be fast enough to decode HD mpeg2 without assistance – plus it's a real pain in the neck to maintain and offers a reduced feature set (no colour OSD)

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gbee:

vdpau really isn't necessary to play any mpeg on modern systems, it's more useful for h.264 which can still stress systems

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[R]:

h.264 is mpeg...

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gbee:

mpeg2

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mishehu:

problem I think though is taht there's not a way to tell the system "use vdpau for this file, but just use the on-die opts for this other file"

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** gbee refrains from trouting **

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Seeker`:

trouting?

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iamlindoro:

!trout Seeker` not-knowing-what-it-is

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** MythLogBot slaps Seeker` with a not-knowing-what-it-is trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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[R]:

mishehu: you mean use a different decoder based on the codec?

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joe2371:

Uh, if you want to split hairs, then MP3 is also MPEG. But people will try to hit you if you call them out on that over beers.

[21:11:11]

gbee:

if you want to be accurate, then no codecs are MPEG

[21:11:19]

mishehu:

joe2371: welcome to #mythtv-users-with-\-pendantic-enabled

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gbee:

MPEG is a group, not a codec

[21:11:24]

Seeker`:

I think that would elevate you to the rank of chief pedant.

[21:11:26]

joe2371:

heh heh

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mishehu:

mpeg can also be thought of as a container

[21:12:07]

mishehu:

[R]: yes, filter based upon codec

[21:12:07]

joe2371:

It can also be thought of as a consortium.

[21:12:14]

iamlindoro:

I get so much work on Myth and themes done when the channel gets like this

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mishehu:

[R]: somebody said a couple weeks ago that it wasn't possible to do that yet.

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[R]:

mishehu: its not

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[R]:

mishehu: i've contempated writing it myself

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[R]:

mishehu: but vdpau works perfectly for me now, so what does it matter?

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mishehu:

[R]: *shrug* less power consumption due to using dedicated circuit pathways instead of the gpu itself? no idea

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[R]:

huh?

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mishehu:

I've got to hook up my atom-ion soon...

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[R]:

if you're not using vdpau, then you're just gonna be using hte cpu

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[R]:

and it'll heat up more than usual

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[R]:

thats not dedicated anythign... tahts general purpose

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[R]:

on the other hand... using the gpu... THAT is using dedicatede

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mishehu:

[R]: most video cards have dedicated pathways for things like mpeg1 and mpeg2 video

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[R]:

and they also have for mpeg4... i.e. the stuff vdpau uses...

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[R]:

but if your nto using acceleration (i.e. vdpau)... its gonna use the cpu

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gbee:

iamlindoro: want to work on Terra? :)

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mishehu:

[R]: it was my understanding that vdpau treats the gpu like a generic instruction processor, as opposed to dedicated hardware circuitry for specific purposes

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Heh, I offered earlier in #mythtv ;)

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[R]:

mishehu: well your understanding was very wrong

[21:16:11]

iamlindoro:

gbee, I took the silence as a "thanks but no thanks" :)

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[R]:

mishehu: it uses the mpeg4 deocding circuirtry in the gpu

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mishehu:

[R]: so then you're telling me that the all the cards taht support vdpau have *dedicated circuitry* for processing xyz codec, and you're not just executing the commands that would otherwise decode xyz codec?

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[R]:

mishehu: thats why they only support 2 codecs... h264 and vc1

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[R]:

(well the newer ones support divx...)

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mishehu:

there are multiple mpeg4 codecs...

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joe2371:

Here's my proposal for a new media container format: "The header is the ANSI C sources for the CODEC. The remainder of the format is specified by the CODEC."

[21:18:08]

mishehu:

[R]: so then what happens when you through a different codec altogether at vdpau?

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[R]:

mishehu: it wont decode it

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gbee:

iamlindoro: really? completely missed that :) Well since you offered, I would gladly accept the help, the settings/form type screens and popups should be easy since they won't require new artwork just layout

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mishehu:

[R]: so somebody was telling me here on this channel about a month ago that there are cases where not using vdpau was preferred, such as mpeg1/mpeg2 decoding

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[R]:

well if you dont like it's deinterlacing

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mishehu:

mind you that the only piece of hardware that I think supports vdpau is this atom-ion that I've not loaded up yet

[21:19:35]

emk_:

Hi all. First time on IRC. I'm troubleshooting lirc on myth since my Hauppuage pvr150 remote is not working. Can anybody help?

[21:19:46]

[R]:

or if you want to do some kind of filtering or something on the video

[21:19:52]

gbee:

I'm really struggling to get things done so that Terra is at least passable for the release

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joe2371:

I think the correct response to "First time on IRC" probably inclused a link to bash.org, no?

[21:20:56]

gbee:

P.S. if you can find suitable images for missing watermarks, there are still a few – everything helps

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mishehu:

[R]: ah cuz after vdpau decodes the graphics, it gets shot straight out to the screen. there's no way to tap into the stream.

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mishehu:

[R]: what deinterlacer strategy does it use currently?

[21:22:16]

mishehu:

(or is that card-specific?)

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emk_:

joe2371: Perhaps its famous last words!

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[R]:

mishehu: the vdpau wiki entry explains all the types

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mishehu:

[R]: eh you're more entertaining than wikipedia :-)

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joe2371:

emk_: you should find plenty of howtos through google and even through the mythtv wiki that should help you. Few troubles are truly novel.

[21:24:24]

emk_:

I'm following along at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/PVR150_Remote and I have output from cat /dev/lirc0 but not when running irw

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iamlindoro:

gbee, OK, will try to get at least a little done tonight

[21:25:38]

emk_:

I am not new to myth. I've had a working set up since 2007. I have looked at alarge number of howtos etc but this has me stumped right now!

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mishehu:

emk_: ir receiver or transmitter?

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mishehu:

(I dont' own a 150)

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gbee:

iamlindoro: really appreciate it

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mishehu:

I used xmode2 to read codes from the remote to see if I was getting anything

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emk_:

mishehu: the receiver

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mishehu:

emk_: see if you can read codes from the remote with xmode2 perhaps?

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mishehu:

not sure how useful cat'ing the device is.

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emk_:

OK ill try xmode2

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emk_:

mishehu: running xmode2 produces the following message "This program is only intended for receivers supporting the pulse/space layer.

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emk_:

Note that this is no error, but this program simply makes no sense for your

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emk_:

receiver.

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emk_:

In order to test your setup run lircd with the --nodaemon option and

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emk_:

then check if the remote works with the irw tool."

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emk_:

running lircd with the --nodaemon option then running irw still produces no output. I may be missing something since I was not aware of xmode2 b4.

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mishehu:

I used xmode2 because it gave "rawer" information than irw.

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clever:

my only working receiver was the pvr150, and that decodes for me

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clever:

so i cant get raw codes or use non-standard remotes

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clever:

and lately, the drivers dont work, so i cant even receive

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clever:

always be carefull when doing a dist-upgrade

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mishehu:

I've got a pinnacle media center remote working perfectly

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mishehu:

after I wasted a few days futzing around with it until I opened up the second one and found that the first one's receiver unit was defective.

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joe2371:

Goodness. We are an elite bunch. A mere 1/300th of 1% of the internet community uses IRC. I bet that's within an order of magnitude of the percentage of internet users that can even spell IRC, though. (Half a million out of 1.5 thousand million.)

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emk_:

I caught a bug recently and in a state of delirium. Installed a new motherboard/processor in my myth server and upgraded all the way from ubuntu 8.04 to 9.10. Not much has worked since then. I also need to get TV watching working. But I'm taking things one step at a time.

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joe2371:

er, 1/30th. but still...

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joe2371:

considering the number of f-tards on IRC, though, perhaps were merely a microcosm, and nothing special.

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Seeker`:

you get a full range of the different intelligences on IRC

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mishehu:

joe2371: man I miss the days when every 14 year old was trying to get laid on irc. those were fun (kick-and-ban-filled) days

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Seeker`:

the only difference is everyone has a complete lack of social skills

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mag0o:

a/s/l?

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mag0o:

:)

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mishehu:

mag0o: 300 years old/billygoat/C and C++

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mag0o:

hehe

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** mishehu rears his billygoat horns at mag0o **

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mishehu:

actually my domain comes from an old joke we had running on a channel on efnet from back in those days...

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mishehu:

about the 14 year olds lukeen fur girks 14–16.

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mishehu:

and shaved oiled goats

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jduggan:

efnet? so were you a packet kiddie or a ./'er

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jduggan:

;p

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mishehu:

pssh.

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mishehu:

actually I'm still on efnet in the same two channels I was back in the early 1990's...

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mishehu:

just all the teenagers are long gone (we all grew up and old)

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jduggan:

i'm on efnet to ;p

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joe2371:

Archie and Edith in near-harmony: "...Thosssse werrrrrre the Daaaays."

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mishehu:

o/` those were the days my friends, we thought they'd never end... o/`

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emk_:

Is anybody running myth on the latest beta of Ubuntu Karmic?

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iamlindoro:

you should probably just ask a question rather than soliciting volunteers

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mishehu:

emk_: and there's #ubuntu-mythtv as well, if folks here don't know how to answer you.

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mishehu: thanks

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