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| [00:01:17] | Jedi_Stannis: | o, it is |
| [00:01:35] | Jedi_Stannis: | there's no sound even with a "cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg" |
| [00:01:39] | Jedi_Stannis: | video works |
| [00:01:43] | Jedi_Stannis: | no audio in the file |
| [00:02:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Jedi_Stannis: And you're feeding an audio source into the card? |
| [00:02:21] | Jedi_Stannis: | using the tuner |
| [00:03:04] | Jedi_Stannis: | had anyone ever heard of a card being broken where just the audio doesn't work? I bought the card off ebay |
| [00:04:20] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: autofs looks like it might be able to do the job |
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| [00:10:34] | AndyCap: | Jedi_Stannis: unmute the card in v4l? |
| [00:11:53] | Jedi_Stannis: | andycap: what's the command for that? |
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| [00:13:53] | AndyCap: | v4l2-ctl --set-ctrl mute=0 or something like that |
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| [00:14:17] | techie: | Hello. Anyone have some time for a few nubie questions about mythtv? |
| [00:15:02] | jamesd2: | techie, ask and someone will try and answer them.. maybe even me |
| [00:15:14] | techie: | cool! |
| [00:16:23] | techie: | I am considering dropping my current cable and going over-the-air. I've been looking at some tuner cards and I'm seriously considering HDHomerun by Silicondust. |
| [00:16:38] | techie: | I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with that device. |
| [00:17:51] | jamesd2: | i went with the kworld 115, its a great card but isn't being sold anymore, my recomendation is to get digital HD card, and lots of harddisk space... maybe even two if you have multiple users or might want to record and watch different shows |
| [00:19:22] | techie: | Well, I definitely want at least two tuners. That's one of the things about the HDHomerun that I noticed. |
| [00:19:24] | gnarface: | do digital HD cards record broadcast digital? |
| [00:19:42] | gnarface: | i've never heard of this HDHomerun thing but it looks pretty cool actually |
| [00:20:43] | techie: | I've been looking at HD tuner cards but I can't seem to find one that really works completely with linux. |
| [00:21:02] | jamesd2: | my kworld 115 output in upto 1080i and record at the same resolution as the broadcast is... upto 7GB/hr.. so it can use a lot of space fairly quickly |
| [00:21:08] | techie: | Then I saw the HDHomerun and thought it looks like it will do the job. |
| [00:21:29] | AndyCap: | I believe some people here use a dualtuner hauppuage card, but don't remember the exact model. |
| [00:22:16] | techie: | I'm planning on putting together a dual-core amd machine with 4 Gig of RAM and a 1 TeraByte drive. |
| [00:22:33] | techie: | that's for the back-end |
| [00:22:53] | AndyCap: | techie: possibly the hvr-2250? unless you need analog. but you should hang around until someone who has it is awake/at the keyboard |
| [00:23:15] | jamesd2: | techie, you may want to get another device for the OS/boot disk... and give the 1TB disk for shows and media |
| [00:23:39] | iamlindoro: | techie, The HDHomeRun is an extremely popular device amongst Myth users, with very positive feedback-- you would not be going wrong choosing it |
| [00:24:23] | techie: | That sounds really good. |
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| [00:24:59] | techie: | also, does anyone know if there is a remote control that works with mythtv? |
| [00:25:32] | jamesd2: | techie, you can get the microsoft remote on ebay for like $15–20 and is well siupported. |
| [00:25:36] | wagnerrp: | jamesd2: technically, it doesnt output up to 1080i, but rather just dumps a mpeg stream |
| [00:25:59] | wagnerrp: | also, techie, i wouldnt suggest the 115, because it manages to be one of the few ATSC tuners that does not support QAM |
| [00:25:59] | AndyCap: | techie: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Special:Search?sea . . . te&go=Go |
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| [00:26:08] | wagnerrp: | oddly, the 110 and 120 both do |
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| [00:26:49] | iamlindoro: | 110 and 115 support QAM |
| [00:26:51] | iamlindoro: | 120 does not |
| [00:26:54] | Crypia: | Hello – I'm having a bit of trouble with my "enter" button on my remote, it seems to be sending multiple "enter" signals for each time I hit it only once |
| [00:26:57] | Crypia: | I've tried them all and even repeat=6 in my lircrc but the enter/return button on the remote sends too many signals |
| [00:27:10] | wagnerrp: | ah, got it mixed up |
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| [00:27:35] | android6011: | my tuner is recording and i was watching it fine, then i restarted frontend and now I can't watch and record at the same time |
| [00:27:57] | techie: | Oh wow! I never realized there were that many remotes for mythtv. Thanks for link. |
| [00:28:55] | wagnerrp: | techie: the smartphone and wii remotes are the only 'remotes for mythtv' |
| [00:29:08] | wagnerrp: | since they interface directly with the frontend control socket |
| [00:29:18] | wagnerrp: | everything else just uses LIRC |
| [00:29:27] | wagnerrp: | so if its compatible with LIRC, its compatible with mythtv |
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| [00:30:09] | techie: | I gotcha. If you have a remote that's compatible you just program LIRC with the buttons. |
| [00:30:32] | techie: | That makes sense. |
| [00:30:39] | android6011: | and by watching and recording, i mean i only have the 1 tuner input |
| [00:30:50] | clever: | some of the ir receivers can also receive codes from any remote |
| [00:30:54] | techie: | I'm not exactly new to linux, but I am new to using a linux box as a pvr. |
| [00:31:14] | clever: | if you have one of them, then any remote would work |
| [00:33:58] | techie: | anybody else have any comments about the HDHomerun? |
| [00:38:12] | techie: | Well ok then. Thanks for the help. I'm gonna drop off but I'll get back on in a little while. I'm gonna change over to my linux box where I have an IRC client package running. |
| [00:38:19] | techie: | Thanks again for the help. |
| [00:38:25] | techie: | I'll see ya in a little bit. |
| [00:38:29] | ** techie is outta here ** | |
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| [00:46:22] | Crypia: | What has happened to the "live preview" feature, or is it just me that it isn't working for? |
| [00:46:33] | GreyFoxx: | disabled in trunk |
| [00:59:10] | Crypia: | omg, I'm such an idiot, my lircrc had two entries for the same remote key using two different keyboard key names, one for enter and one for return, which caused it to send two signals for each time the remote was pressed :( |
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| [01:13:53] | Crypia: | Has the "fast delete" feature been removed in trunk? |
| [01:14:57] | iamlindoro: | There is no fast delete feature |
| [01:15:02] | iamlindoro: | there is a slow delete feature |
| [01:15:06] | iamlindoro: | and no, it has not been |
| [01:15:53] | jams: | hehe fast delete |
| [01:16:20] | jams: | maybe that applies to move it to the expire group |
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| [01:16:30] | jams: | or deleted group |
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| [01:18:26] | Crypia: | I swear there used to be a fast delete option in .21 |
| [01:18:32] | iamlindoro: | there wasn't |
| [01:23:20] | Crypia: | How about clicking to the "right" when at the recordings list? That used to bring up a menu with delete on it, but now it just loops back to the other side of the menu |
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| [01:23:59] | iamlindoro: | Arrow accelerators, they were removed since they would force strict vertical lists and limit themers |
| [01:25:55] | soccerties: | if you have multiple directories each on a different physical disk in a storage group and all of them are full, how does the backend decide which one to delete a recording off of and use the space for a new recording? does it choose the directory with the oldest recording? |
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| [01:27:04] | sphery: | soccerties: nope, the one with the most free space |
| [01:27:19] | sphery: | i.e. 10 bytes free wins over 1 byte free |
| [01:27:31] | sphery: | though there's a new balancing mode available in trunk |
| [01:29:06] | soccerties: | thanks sphery just what I needed to know, it would be best then to simple combine the three disk into one with lvm correct? that way it ensures the oldest recording is deleted |
| [01:29:21] | sphery: | soccerties: IMHO, it's not best |
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| [01:30:26] | soccerties: | because if one disk fails then you loose all recordings right |
| [01:30:38] | sphery: | soccerties: wait for 0.22 to be released. It has a setting, "Storage Group Disk Scheduler" with options Balanced Free Space, Balanced Disk I/O, or Combination. "This setting controls how the Storage Group scheduling code will balance new recordings across directories. 'Balanced Free Space' is the recommended method for most users." |
| [01:31:11] | sphery: | and you can move recordings from disk to disk without any issues |
| [01:32:00] | sphery: | so either delete the shows you want to delete (and, if you have the Deleted recgroup enabled, delete them from there, too). |
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| [01:32:55] | sphery: | or just live with the fact that if you have 3 disks with recordings pretty well spread across the 3, you'll be losing the oldest recordings on average |
| [01:33:46] | sphery: | I dislike LVM/RAID (or any multi-disk approach) because it's a single filesystem, a single point of failure, causes huge amounts of fragmentation, I/O wait, and other issues |
| [01:34:13] | sphery: | I'm a firm believer in, "If you care about the order they're deleted, delete them yourself." |
| [01:35:32] | soccerties: | gotcha |
| [01:37:18] | sphery: | soccerties: Though, your asking has given me an idea for a new feature for 0.23--I'll see about modifying the Information Center|System Status|AutoExpire List to allow you to delete from it (so you can delete in the specified "auto-expire" order) |
| [01:37:40] | sphery: | so, thanks for the idea :) |
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| [01:38:28] | soccerties: | no problem thanks for answering my question, that would be a nice feature btw |
| [01:38:56] | sphery: | yeah, and I was wrong about the storage grou disk scheduler--it won't help with your situation |
| [01:39:13] | sphery: | (though I'm sure you figured that out when I gave the options/description |
| [01:43:19] | soccerties: | I'm actually migrating my master backend to a faster system and had something I haven't seen before come up when I was adding capture cards, I have three pvr 150 installed and before they came up as /dev/video1, *video2, *video3. But this time I have six devices showing up video1, video2, video25, video26, video33, video34. Any ideas why that is? I'm using mythbuntu 9.04 |
| [01:44:22] | soccerties: | does it allow for multiplexing? |
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| [01:46:04] | iamlindoro: | one device on each is the MPEG encoder node (out of which audio and video come, and one each of raw video and audio which are for myth purposes of little/no use |
| [01:46:23] | iamlindoro: | 1,2,3 are the only ones of actual value |
| [01:47:42] | soccerties: | okay but there was no video3 only video33 and video34, not sure which one I should select |
| [01:47:58] | iamlindoro: | none of the above |
| [01:48:30] | iamlindoro: | If you only have sixe nodes, that means one of your cards is not functioning |
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| [01:50:43] | soccerties: | so each card has 3 nodes and if I had all three working there would be 9? I'm just finishing up the installation might have to go with it and see if I get signal on all three |
| [01:51:12] | iamlindoro: | correct, if all three were working there would be a total of nine nodes |
| [01:51:25] | iamlindoro: | do *not* set any part of myth up on the 2x or 3x nodes |
| [01:51:47] | iamlindoro: | video0, video1, and video2 are the ones you should be setting three cards up on |
| [01:53:01] | soccerties: | okay, I was wondering why there wasn't a video0, when it shuts down I'll make sure the card is fully seated |
| [01:54:30] | zebastian: | what's mythtv? is it like an app to watch tv on your computer? i am on ubuntu hardy and i am interested |
| [01:54:59] | iamlindoro: | zebastian, why not look it up in google or one of the many links in the topic? |
| [01:55:17] | iamlindoro: | MythTV is a linux based DVR software, beyond that the links above can help you |
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| [01:59:15] | soccerties: | when my machine boots up it hangs very early in the boot process, might be cause of the faulty capture card |
| [02:00:16] | Crypia: | soccerties: can you see what's loading when it hangs or is there a splash screen hiding the boot process? |
| [02:01:24] | soccerties: | its the splash screen, i just check dmesg but it appears video0 was registered and initialized just the same as video1 and video2 |
| [02:02:43] | Crypia: | try disabling the splash screen and enabling a nice resolution for boot like vga=791 (1024x768) and you should have enough time to read from the screen |
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| [02:11:58] | soccerties: | bingo!, just replace the first card with a different one, machine booted up just fine and now I have video0, video1, and video2 |
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| [03:06:55] | iamlindoro: | So god help me, as a Stargate hater, I can say that Stargate Universe isn't *total* crap |
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| [03:07:09] | iamlindoro: | You can almost pretend it's not Stargate |
| [03:07:55] | brad3: | worth watching? Or just worth not getting mad about :) |
| [03:08:27] | [R]: | whats with the stupid music |
| [03:08:27] | iamlindoro: | "Yes?" |
| [03:08:31] | [R]: | they did that with firefly |
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| [03:34:02] | wagnerrp: | 'gypsum is calcium sulfate, which is 36% calcium carbonate' |
| [03:34:04] | wagnerrp: | wait... what? |
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| [03:34:36] | wagnerrp: | CaSO4 == 36% CaCO4? |
| [03:34:46] | wagnerrp: | theyre going to transmute sulfur into carbon? |
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| [03:38:06] | ** iamlindoro thinks wagnerrp is overthinking it ** | |
| [03:39:38] | wagnerrp: | so they were advertising this show as staring Lou Diamond Phillips |
| [03:39:52] | wagnerrp: | but it seems hes at best a tertiary character, back home |
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| [03:41:02] | wagnerrp: | its almost like 'Executive Decision, starring Stephan Seagal' |
| [03:43:37] | wagnerrp: | on a desert planet, why would they each not be carrying several gallons of water? |
| [03:43:55] | [R]: | i think they had none |
| [03:44:00] | wagnerrp: | i mean that tiny little water bottle is all hes got? |
| [03:44:04] | [R]: | remember they were out of food and water |
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| [03:57:34] | wagnerrp: | so someone threatens to go public with such a program, i have to believe that person will no longer exist |
| [03:57:58] | iamlindoro: | Realllllly taking it too seriously ;) |
| [03:58:15] | wagnerrp: | and why do all the aliens speak english??? |
| [03:58:29] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [03:58:32] | iamlindoro: | then repeat to yourself it's just a show, I shoudl reallly just relax.. |
| [03:59:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | they're not, MythTV is translating for you on the fly. |
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| [04:00:29] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, One tiny thing I noticed about the PBB image hunt with SGs is that it no longer lists the files in reverse order, so the newer poster doesn't get selected any more-- was thinking I would play with a reverse iterator going through the file list instead-- just a tiny thing, but nice to get the current season's poster |
| [04:01:03] | wagnerrp: | mythtv hunts for images through stargates? |
| [04:04:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | through which file list? the sg file list or the local dir file list? I didn't change any of hte internal logic there. I see the QDir lists in reverse order by name, the remote SG file list doesn't do any sorting. StorageGroup::GetFileList should have a defined order and you can reverse the list in PBB or go through the list in reverse. |
| [04:06:09] | wagnerrp: | why does the gamer not know how to fire a gun? |
| [04:06:10] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, The SG file list-- but it never has gone backwards |
| [04:06:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | SG::GetFileList should probably use dir.setSorting(QDir::Name | QDir::IgnoreCase); |
| [04:06:35] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch, It's not an issue or anything, just saying the SG hunt should match the direction of the local one |
| [04:06:43] | iamlindoro: | which is backwards to pick up the latest artwork first |
| [04:07:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | latest = highest alphabetically sorted filename? |
| [04:07:27] | iamlindoro: | Right, which in the case of Jamu or MythVideo naming, would be $Showname Season #_artworktype.ext |
| [04:07:42] | iamlindoro: | Thus the newest would be the highest number, and the first found if sorted in reverse |
| [04:08:39] | Captain_Murdoch: | ok. so we fix SG::GetFileList to return in normal alphabetical order since that makes sense in most cases and then in PBB, we either reverse the order or iterate in reverse. |
| [04:09:17] | iamlindoro: | Ah, didn't realize any fixing the SG::GetFileList would be necessary |
| [04:09:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | 1 line of code. |
| [04:10:28] | iamlindoro: | Something nice about highlighting an episode of Dollhouse Season 2 and seeing the Season 2 art :) |
| [04:11:04] | Captain_Murdoch: | looks like default might be Name|IgnoreCase, so it might be returning them in order already, so it might just need the PBB change. |
| [04:11:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | actually, if you don't specify on QDir::entryList(), the sort order is "NoSort" |
| [04:13:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | so I'm not sure. if it doesn't work right with reverse iterating in PBB, you can add a 'd.setSorting(QDir::Name|QDir::IgnoreCase);' in SG::GetFileList. |
| [04:14:09] | iamlindoro: | Right now I'm reverse iterating and not getting exactly what I thought I would, so I'll try |
| [04:14:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | 3 different constructors listed in the docs. the one we're using doesn't say whether it defaults the sort order or not. |
| [04:15:40] | iamlindoro: | Will have to try the BE change after Dollhouse, though ;) |
| [04:17:47] | wagnerrp: | why is the carbon sequestration material consumed? |
| [04:17:57] | wagnerrp: | it gets consumed as it absorbs CO2 |
| [04:18:09] | wagnerrp: | theres no one on the ship... nothing to produce CO2 |
| [04:18:43] | wagnerrp: | why cant i stop coming up with plot holes... |
| [04:19:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | interesting.... Qt's QDir has a method called setSearchPaths(). You basically say "QDir::setSearchPaths("videos", QStringList("/nas/video1/", "/nas/video2", "/nas/video3"));", then you can do QFile file("videos:Terminator_3.mpg"); and QFile will search the "videos" searchpath directories tryign to find the file Terminator_3.mpg and set the proper info in QFile for the found file. |
| [04:20:46] | Captain_Murdoch: | example in docs even says other Qt classes suport it. QPixmap pixmap("videos:Terminator_3.png"); |
| [04:21:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | would have been nice when I wrote SG's. |
| [04:21:56] | Captain_Murdoch: | didn't come around until Qt 4.3 though. |
| [04:22:06] | sphery: | or will be nice when you write SG 2.0? |
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| [04:22:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, could come in handy. |
| [04:24:11] | sphery: | heh, not that I was saying you need to rewrite them |
| [04:24:53] | wagnerrp: | ooh... i got a commit |
| [04:26:08] | Captain_Murdoch: | nah, there are some things I'd like to do w/ respect to a transparent file access class and that might involve modifying some code, so replacing 5–10 lines of code in SG with 1 Qt call could be part of that. if (QFile::exists("videos:Terminator_3.mpg")) |
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| [04:42:56] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, my files appear to be coming back sorted in name order from SG::GetFileList() via QUERY_SG_GETFILELIST |
| [04:45:13] | wagnerrp: | wow, 1538 comments on the slashdot 'obama gets the nobel prize' article |
| [04:45:20] | wagnerrp: | thats got to be some sort of a record |
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| [07:26:09] | abongile: | Hi All, please help, I can't get networking working. I am new to linux. Lights NIC working, Cable works with other comps, /etc/init.networking/ restart does not help and an error grep: etc/resolve.conf: No such file or directory is displayed. The NIC is on board, how do I solve this problem? Thank you |
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| [07:49:29] | wagnerrp: | abongile: this is the wrong channel to ask |
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| [08:18:32] | abongile1: | Can anyone help: Mythtv will only let one frontend have the livetv at a time is there a work aroound? Do I have to change the permissions on the posters folder in order for them to appear in frontends (have added it to the /etc/fstab on the frontends)? and lastly I found a tutorial about making the windows MCE remote work as it does in windows, oneweb.co.uk provided the script but I don't understand the location ./lirc and can't |
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| [08:31:47] | wagnerrp: | abongile1: no, you can only have one frontend running livetv per tuner |
| [08:32:12] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, wtf are you talking about? |
| [08:32:21] | wagnerrp: | posters folder? fstab? |
| [08:32:29] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand what either of those have to do with livetv |
| [08:33:12] | Dagmar: | Try one issue at a time |
| [08:34:01] | wagnerrp: | assuming those are actually three independent questions... |
| [08:34:23] | wagnerrp: | 1 — only one frontend can use a tuner for livetv |
| [08:34:34] | wagnerrp: | you will need multiple tuners for multiple frontends running livetv |
| [08:34:57] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, you can go into recordings, change the filter, and access the in-progress livetv recording |
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| [08:35:24] | wagnerrp: | 2 — i assume the 'posters folder' is the coverart path in mythvideo |
| [08:35:51] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend needs at least read access to those (and write access if you actually expect to populate them with the grabbers) |
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| [08:36:24] | wagnerrp: | and you need to mount them on the local file system, whether that is through fstab, or some other mounting scheme is up to you |
| [08:36:56] | wagnerrp: | 3 — there is no way to make the MCE remote work as it does in windows, as you will be running completely different software under linux |
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| [08:37:35] | wagnerrp: | however you can get lirc supported applications using it through the lircrc file, and unsupporting applications using by using irxevent (and the lircrc file) |
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| [08:37:50] | wagnerrp: | that file is typically located at ~/.lircrc |
| [08:38:00] | wagnerrp: | however myth pulls its version from ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [08:38:12] | wagnerrp: | many users just end up symlinking one path to the other |
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| [08:39:28] | okolsi: | time to be adventurous.. testing new channel scanner first time in prod environment and yes, db has been backed up |
| [08:39:58] | wagnerrp: | well youre already being adventurous using trunk |
| [08:40:06] | wagnerrp: | although less so considering its mere days from release |
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| [08:41:28] | abongile1: | Hi wagnerrp: man you're life saviour, you may not remember me but thank you for your willingness to help us newbies, really appreciated. Will read your latest advice. |
| [08:43:00] | abongile1: | wagnerrp: I have hauppage dual tuner, signal via composite (RCA's) and tried to also add a coaxial signal but it doesn't get picked up, i.e. signal strength zero. |
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| [08:44:38] | wagnerrp: | if possible, you should be using svideo instead of composite |
| [08:44:58] | wagnerrp: | and you set the coaxial input up as a third input? |
| [08:45:00] | okolsi: | been using trunk all the time since 0.21 release.. just haven't re-scanned any channels.. and lot has happened with scnner |
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| [08:45:41] | abongile1: | wagnerrp: Yeah in order to have posters show in remote frontends I had to add the backend's IP address and the the shared folders, so I can mount them, otherwise I can see the list of videos, music but can't play them. So I am wondering if I chmod 666 my posters folder if that will solve them problem? |
| [08:45:47] | wagnerrp: | you should see two separate cards in mythtv, each with a tuner and two video inputs |
| [08:46:12] | wagnerrp: | you have to tell mythtv you want to use the tuner input, to use the rf signal |
| [08:46:26] | wagnerrp: | you will also want to add the two inputs on that card to an input group |
| [08:46:36] | wagnerrp: | so mythtv does not try to use both at the same time |
| [08:46:58] | Dagmar: | abongile1: You need to understand unix file permissions. |
| [08:47:05] | Dagmar: | Not just throw some command at it |
| [08:47:29] | Dagmar: | The user id that the frontend runs as must have read access to the files |
| [08:47:34] | wagnerrp: | specifically, folders MUST be executable |
| [08:47:36] | abongile1: | wagnerrp: Don't understand what this means: however you can get lirc supported applications using it through the lircrc file, and unsupporting applications using by using irxevent (and the lircrc file) |
| [08:47:47] | Dagmar: | If you know which user that is, you can just mount the media so that user can read it |
| [08:48:29] | wagnerrp: | lirc acts like it triggers key presses, but it really does not |
| [08:48:42] | wagnerrp: | it sends events to programs listening on its event socket |
| [08:48:56] | wagnerrp: | so programs (such as mythtv) have to listen on it to use lirc |
| [08:49:26] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, you can have irxevent listen instead, and trigger real key presses through X |
| [08:49:36] | wagnerrp: | you want to do the former, since myth supports lirc |
| [08:49:56] | wagnerrp: | the config most programs use will be ~/.lircrc |
| [08:50:05] | wagnerrp: | however myth wants a ~/.mythtv/lircrc instead |
| [08:51:16] | abongile1: | wagner: The signal goes to my card from my decoder (set top box) and then via VGA to projector. Wanted to use the coax as well so I can have two liveTV sessions. |
| [08:51:36] | wagnerrp: | you have a PVR-500? |
| [08:52:29] | wagnerrp: | son of a bitch |
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| [08:52:56] | wagnerrp: | ive been trying to get a new boot image for my myth fes/bes going for two days now |
| [08:53:08] | wagnerrp: | ive never been able to get the initrd to initialize the network |
| [08:53:08] | abongile1: | wagnerrp: I am not sure If I set the coax as a third input, I only used the mythtv wizard's steps. How do I know if I have and if I haven't how do I do it? What third and not second input? |
| [08:53:20] | wagnerrp: | turns out i need to load the PHY drivers now |
| [08:53:24] | wagnerrp: | never used to have to do that |
| [08:53:39] | wagnerrp: | abongile1: you have a PVR-500? |
| [08:54:05] | abongile1: | wagnerrp: Yeah I get two of everything i.e. composite 1, composite 2, etc. |
| [08:54:34] | wagnerrp: | ideally, you would get two STBs, and hook them both up to your capture card |
| [08:55:21] | abongile1: | Dagmar: what do you mean I googled and it said that chmod 666 gives read write permissions to all users. |
| [08:55:47] | wagnerrp: | abongile1: as mentioned above, you cannot access anything inside a folder without execute access |
| [08:55:49] | Dagmar: | Yes, but that's a "dumb" solution |
| [08:55:53] | wagnerrp: | dont just find some number |
| [08:55:57] | wagnerrp: | find the meaning of those numbers |
| [08:56:07] | Dagmar: | If you refuse to learn what you're actually doing, Linux will make you cry on a regular basis |
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| [08:56:26] | abongile1: | wagnerrp: Yes PVR-500 |
| [08:56:26] | Dagmar: | Think of it like going from an axe to a chainsaw |
| [08:56:40] | Dagmar: | It's hard to hurt _yourself_ with an axe. |
| [08:57:00] | Dagmar: | ...but a chainsaw, if you disrespect it and make assumptions, people are going to start calling you "stumpy" |
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| [08:57:24] | Dagmar: | Learn it, and mother nature better freaking fear |
| [08:58:17] | wagnerrp: | anyway, on that card, you should have two coax inputs, and A/V inputs for one of the encoders |
| [08:58:30] | wagnerrp: | you need to figure out which tuner goes to the rear inputs |
| [08:58:33] | wagnerrp: | so they do not overlap |
| [09:00:01] | Dagmar: | One of the inputs is just for the radio. |
| [09:00:02] | Dagmar: | The one on the bottom IIRC |
| [09:00:09] | abongile1: | Dagmar, no I am learning, my understanding is that each number if the level of rights i.e. permissions of each group. |
| [09:00:15] | wagnerrp: | oh, the rf input is internally split? |
| [09:00:22] | Dagmar: | abongile1: That would be wrong. |
| [09:00:26] | Dagmar: | It's a bitmask. |
| [09:00:33] | Dagmar: | ...and you *don't* have to invoke it that way. |
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| [09:00:46] | Dagmar: | You can use symbolic names just fine. |
| [09:00:53] | Dagmar: | u for user, g for group, o for other. |
| [09:01:01] | wagnerrp: | you know... i still have yet to learn what the fourth number means |
| [09:01:19] | Dagmar: | If you want to make the user control on a file be read-only, you can do chmod u-r filename, dig? |
| [09:01:30] | wagnerrp: | you would think after 8 years, i would have bothered to pick that up |
| [09:01:35] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Sticky, and it's meaning varies by what you apply it to |
| [09:01:41] | Dagmar: | It's useful |
| [09:01:47] | Dagmar: | Look at your temp directory |
| [09:01:52] | Dagmar: | It's temp-stickied. |
| [09:01:59] | abongile1: | dagmar: what's a bit mask and what is the right way to do it? |
| [09:02:07] | Dagmar: | This means that although everyone can write to anything in there, you CAN'T modify the files of others |
| [09:02:16] | Dagmar: | abongile1: Using the symbolic names |
| [09:02:24] | Dagmar: | A bitmask is a mask of bits. |
| [09:02:34] | wagnerrp: | abongile1: the three digits are user, group, all |
| [09:02:38] | Dagmar: | Each order in there, user, group, other, has three bits to it |
| [09:02:51] | Dagmar: | These three bits are read, write, and execute. |
| [09:02:53] | wagnerrp: | and 1/2/4 mean execute/write/read |
| [09:03:09] | wagnerrp: | so, you add the bits you want to set your desired permission |
| [09:03:22] | Dagmar: | 4 being the third bit in a binary number. 100 |
| [09:03:38] | Dagmar: | 2 for write, being the second bit. 010 |
| [09:03:49] | abongile1: | damar: have to think: If you want to make the user control on a file be read-only, you can do chmod u-r filename, what does make the user control on file mean and how does chmod u-r achieve that? |
| [09:03:57] | Dagmar: | If you want to take away a right, you remove that bit |
| [09:04:16] | wagnerrp: | hot damn, its booting again |
| [09:04:25] | Dagmar: | Each file has three orders there for who's allowed to do what with it |
| [09:04:46] | wagnerrp: | now i just have to figure out what files i need to replace on each system |
| [09:04:55] | Dagmar: | There's the user attribute (who "owns" it), the group attribute (what group "owns" it) and the other attribute, which is "everyone else" |
| [09:05:04] | wagnerrp: | and some script to copy it over whenever i re-clone off the master |
| [09:05:31] | Dagmar: | If you have a file that's got read for both user and group, then the user can read it, the group members can read it, but any uid/gid that isn't that can't. |
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| [09:05:56] | Dagmar: | Directories, for reasons best not explored, must be also executeable for them to be entered |
| [09:06:19] | Dagmar: | Useless as it might be, you *can* make a directory that you can't list the contents of, but you can access the files in |
| [09:07:12] | Dagmar: | So, you *could* forcibly set 666 on a file, but it's probably a lot easier to _learn_ about if you use chmod ugo+r |
| [09:07:24] | Dagmar: | ugo being user, group and other, the +r meaning add read access |
| [09:07:29] | Dagmar: | ...but you don't have to go that far |
| [09:07:41] | Dagmar: | You only need to care that the userid that runs the frontend be able to read those files. |
| [09:07:45] | Dagmar: | You can do this three different ways |
| [09:08:03] | Dagmar: | You could make *everyone* be able to read the file, but that's a waste |
| [09:08:25] | abongile1: | 1/2/4 = read, write, execute respectively? What does 3 do? and if you want to give all the above rights then what do you do there 5 and 6 left cause I figure 7 particular 777 is making a file executable, I won't worry about the fourth wild card bit for now. |
| [09:08:35] | Dagmar: | If the frontend is in the 'users' group, you can chgrp the file and directory to 'users' and make sure the group attribute allows reading and the problem goes away |
| [09:08:37] | wagnerrp: | its a bitmask |
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| [09:08:52] | wagnerrp: | 1, 2, and 4 are binary columns |
| [09:08:54] | Dagmar: | If the frontend username is 'mythtv' then you could chown the files to the 'mythtv' user and again, the problem goes awya |
| [09:09:08] | wagnerrp: | 1, 10, and 100 respectively |
| [09:09:18] | Dagmar: | abongile1: THIS is why I say don't bother with the numbers |
| [09:09:35] | wagnerrp: | 3 would be 11, for execute and write |
| [09:09:37] | Dagmar: | It's annoying and confusing for new people (or just anyone) to remember |
| [09:09:48] | Dagmar: | wait... |
| [09:09:53] | wagnerrp: | can you actually execute something if you dont have read access? |
| [09:09:56] | Dagmar: | abongile1: Do you _know_ what a binary number system is? |
| [09:10:17] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: You can, provided the uid it's stickied to can |
| [09:10:54] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Distros used to flag suid/sgid binaries as non-readable by world to keep people from running debuggers on them |
| [09:11:13] | Dagmar: | It's still not a bad idea |
| [09:11:47] | abongile1: | Damn, I just finished applying updates to ubuntu netboom remix install, I was using classic desktop, now my task bar and status bar are gone, so now I can interact with my system. How do I get out of this problem? |
| [09:12:04] | Dagmar: | No idea. |
| [09:12:07] | wagnerrp: | thats an ubuntu problem |
| [09:12:12] | Dagmar: | #Ubuntu should know |
| [09:12:14] | wagnerrp: | neither of us use ubuntu, so we cant really help you |
| [09:12:29] | Dagmar: | We could *do* it, but we can't easily explain to someone else how ot do it |
| [09:12:51] | Dagmar: | "easily" being an understatement |
| [09:12:58] | Dagmar: | It would take a half hour or more |
| [09:13:01] | wagnerrp: | well that depends... |
| [09:13:09] | wagnerrp: | do you have any programs open under X? |
| [09:13:10] | Dagmar: | Someone familiar with ubuntu will probably say "Oh, just type this one line" |
| [09:13:15] | wagnerrp: | anything you care to keep? |
| [09:13:52] | wagnerrp: | a ctrl+alt+backspace will dump X, and allow gdm to respawn |
| [09:14:06] | Dagmar: | Assuming the problem was just that the taskbar choked and died |
| [09:14:09] | wagnerrp: | however that could be a singularly bad thing if ubuntu is off doing so updates at the time |
| [09:14:15] | Dagmar: | restarting X _would_ fix it |
| [09:15:01] | wagnerrp: | which is again why you should ask ubuntu people... were just speculating at this point |
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| [09:16:32] | abongile1: | Dagmar: I understand what binary is, i.e. binary digit i.e. eight of them make a byte that's about if. |
| [09:16:47] | Dagmar: | Okay, well I'll clarify |
| [09:16:52] | Dagmar: | It's base-two. Remember that. |
| [09:17:00] | Dagmar: | What number system you USUALLY use is base 10 |
| [09:17:17] | Dagmar: | This means each digit can have ten values. |
| [09:17:22] | Dagmar: | 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 |
| [09:17:45] | Dagmar: | The second digit is multiplied by a power of the base, and added to the first (yes this sounds dumb, stay with me) |
| [09:18:20] | Dagmar: | So if you have 2 followed by 1 in base-10, the 2 is multiplied by 10 (because it's in the tens place) and the one is multiplied by 1. |
| [09:18:34] | Dagmar: | You MIGHT remember this from kindergarten. Most people forget this very basic part. |
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| [09:18:53] | Dagmar: | With a base two number, let's take 1010 for example... |
| [09:19:30] | Dagmar: | Fourth digit from the left is 2 to the third power, 2^3 |
| [09:19:37] | Dagmar: | 2x2x2 = 8 |
| [09:19:54] | Dagmar: | er sorry fourth digit from the RIGHT |
| [09:19:57] | Dagmar: | The highest place digit |
| [09:20:16] | Dagmar: | The third digit from the right, the second from left, is the 2^2'th place |
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| [09:20:30] | Dagmar: | Then 2^1's, then 2^0'th |
| [09:20:56] | Dagmar: | Actually I might have screwed that up, but you might get the idea now about converting bases |
| [09:21:09] | Dagmar: | "666" to chmod is 110 110 110 |
| [09:21:10] | wagnerrp: | thats right |
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| [09:22:01] | abongile1: | Dagmar: I am going dumb that into my notes: |
| [09:22:05] | Dagmar: | 1 times 2^2 (1*4=4), 1 times 2^1 (1*2=2), and 0 times 2^0 (0*1 is 0) |
| [09:22:28] | OmniCitadel: | I was looking at getting a HD Homerun, however after long thought I realized that it will only work with ATSC, ClearQAL. I am looking for a Dual Tuner ATSC, atleast single NTSC, and Dual Tuner ClearQAL. Any recommendations |
| [09:22:29] | wagnerrp: | its very simple stuff, you shouldnt have to write this down |
| [09:22:31] | Dagmar: | You add the 4, the 2, and the 0 together (now that you've converted them individually from base-2 to base-10) and you get 6. |
| [09:22:50] | wagnerrp: | OmniCitadel: doesnt exist |
| [09:22:55] | Dagmar: | It's also mainly unneccessary to know if you can remember the first letter of the words (mostly) |
| [09:23:03] | Dagmar: | Read, Write, eXecute |
| [09:23:08] | Dagmar: | User, Group, Other |
| [09:23:32] | wagnerrp: | you may find a dual ATSC tuner, but it will have framegrabbers for NTSC, which you dont want to use |
| [09:23:37] | Dagmar: | There DO exist filesystems where the numbers are not the same |
| [09:23:47] | Dagmar: | You just ain't likely to see themm |
| [09:23:50] | wagnerrp: | or it will be the HVR-2250, which does not have NTSC support in linux yet |
| [09:24:10] | OmniCitadel: | wagnerrp: that was what I was looking at as well as the HVR-1800 |
| [09:24:19] | wagnerrp: | best option would be to pick up an old PVR-150 or PVR-500 off ebay, and then whatever other ATSC tuner you want |
| [09:24:21] | OmniCitadel: | does the 1800 no support dual ATSC? |
| [09:24:28] | abongile1: | Wagnerrp: So what I really need to bear in mind is if I want a assign permissions , I will say u,g.o + whatever permissions I wish to grant? |
| [09:24:31] | wagnerrp: | the HVR-1800 only has a single digital tuner |
| [09:24:39] | Dagmar: | abongile1: Yes. |
| [09:24:47] | Dagmar: | ...and – whatever permissions you want to take away |
| [09:24:59] | OmniCitadel: | wagnerrp: what are the odds that the devs will get NTSC working? |
| [09:25:03] | OmniCitadel: | on the 2250 that is |
| [09:25:04] | Dagmar: | It's WAY easier to deal with in a lot of respects |
| [09:25:05] | wagnerrp: | the 1800 has a single analog tuner, and a single digital tuner |
| [09:25:11] | wagnerrp: | which is different from most digital cards |
| [09:25:25] | wagnerrp: | which have but a single hybrid tuner, capable of analog or digital |
| [09:25:28] | Dagmar: | I can sit here and easily do the binary conversions in my head, but it's easier to just use the symbolics |
| [09:25:44] | Dagmar: | It also helps that ls shows you the permissions on the file, in order |
| [09:25:45] | wagnerrp: | the 1800 *works*, but there is some bug which prevents mythtv from using the NTSC encoder |
| [09:26:06] | wagnerrp: | as for analog support on the 2250, i have not heard of anyone working on it |
| [09:26:24] | OmniCitadel: | wagnerrp: do you use the 2250? |
| [09:26:31] | wagnerrp: | no i do not |
| [09:26:35] | abongile1: | Dagmer: i.e. since my frontends are in mythtv group and want them to have read access to my posters I would chmod g+r /mythtv/posters? |
| [09:26:48] | Dagmar: | -rw-r--r-- 1 dagmar users 0 2009-10–10 04:26 blah |
| [09:26:58] | wagnerrp: | abongile1: generally, your frontends will all run under the 'mythtv' user |
| [09:27:16] | Dagmar: | rwxrwxrwx |
| [09:27:42] | OmniCitadel: | is the 2250 pretty good? I have heard the 1800 has a shoddy ntsc picture quality |
| [09:28:03] | Dagmar: | The first rwx part applies user permissions, and the user the file is owned by is 'dagmar' |
| [09:28:34] | wagnerrp: | OmniCitadel: the 1800 has no ntsc picture quality, for the previous reasons |
| [09:29:39] | Dagmar: | abongile1: Just as a tip, if you dig around in some documentation, that remote filesystem you mounted? There's almost *always* an option you can apply to force the system to believe that it's owned by a specific user |
| [09:30:03] | Dagmar: | You could also, as another alternative, just start mounting anything the frontend needs to read that way |
| [09:30:21] | OmniCitadel: | Kernellabs is reporting the 1800 is about to get analog support back on september 30'th |
| [09:30:34] | OmniCitadel: | its just pending being posted on the repositories |
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| [09:31:06] | wagnerrp: | OmniCitadel: technically, that has been supported under linux for some time |
| [09:31:13] | wagnerrp: | but there was some bug with it that mythtv did not like |
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| [09:38:35] | OmniCitadel: | ok and last question before I make a descision. If I pay for cable... How do i record the channels if they are encrypted? |
| [09:39:02] | wagnerrp: | through analog capture and an STB |
| [09:39:13] | wagnerrp: | or if youre lucky, firewire capture and an STB |
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| [09:39:48] | OmniCitadel: | ughhh... as I understand cable companies do a bit flip to prevent firewire... |
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| [09:40:18] | abongile1: | wagnerrp+Dagmar: Just for the record you fellas are just hundreds, excellent, I can't wait to have my ubuntu problems solved so I can get back to my mythtv experience, I really look forward to it. PS wagnerrp: will need some clarification on that static IP issue (/etc/network/interface file). I am over at the ubuntu channel now getting some assistance. Thanks again fellaz, you're the best! |
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| [09:40:36] | wagnerrp: | if you have HD cable service, they MUST provide you with a cable box with functional firewire ports |
| [09:41:06] | wagnerrp: | but they can mark everything as copyonce/copynever, which would enable 5c encryption and prevent mythtv from being able to capture them |
| [09:41:39] | dubstar_04: | anyone have any opinions about the Asus M4N78 pro mobo?# |
| [09:42:10] | cheavera: | Could someone help me understand; What happens if I set the quality on the front end to cpu++? |
| [09:42:17] | Dagmar: | "should work" |
| [09:42:25] | Dagmar: | cheavera: It'll use a lot of CPU |
| [09:42:33] | wagnerrp: | cheavera: exactly what the playback profile says its going to do |
| [09:42:38] | cheavera: | On the front end? |
| [09:42:55] | wagnerrp: | playback only affects the frontend |
| [09:43:14] | OmniCitadel: | wagnerrp: so if I have firewire, I would not need a tuner card... just a firewire card right |
| [09:43:31] | wagnerrp: | OmniCitadel: doubtful |
| [09:43:44] | wagnerrp: | most cablecos encrypt most if not all content over firewire |
| [09:43:59] | wagnerrp: | the only thing you can expect is the ability to change channels |
| [09:44:06] | wagnerrp: | preventing the need for an ir blaster |
| [09:44:31] | cheavera: | So the correct way to think of it is this: the front end receives a signal from the back end and tries to make it better? |
| [09:45:01] | wagnerrp: | the frontend receives a video stream from the disk or the backend, and tries to play it |
| [09:45:24] | wagnerrp: | not certain how it would 'make it better' |
| [09:46:22] | OmniCitadel: | so the only benefit is the ability to record but its SD for free at the cost of picture quality correct? |
| [09:46:42] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [09:47:15] | OmniCitadel: | well I dont have to pay for a DVR from the cable co but I lose the HD quality due to grabbing NTSC feed from the receiver |
| [09:47:42] | wagnerrp: | if you want encrypted digital cable, you must get a cable box |
| [09:47:49] | wagnerrp: | there is no way around it |
| [09:48:12] | wagnerrp: | analog tuners can capture whatever channels you get on analog cable |
| [09:48:14] | OmniCitadel: | but my HD TV is able to receive nearly every channel currently with out the cable box |
| [09:48:23] | wagnerrp: | but expect to start losing analog channels |
| [09:48:47] | wagnerrp: | your clear QAM tuner in your TV will only tune those channels that myth can access through a digital tuner card |
| [09:49:15] | wagnerrp: | unless your TV accepts a CAM (cablecard), in which case it will be able to receive anything but on-demand content |
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| [09:52:30] | cheavera: | Ok thanks. Howto choose a playback profile? |
| [09:52:44] | wagnerrp: | you should probably choose 'Slim' |
| [09:54:47] | cheavera: | Would using a tv-card with mpeg encoder help my backend |
| [09:55:08] | wagnerrp: | absolutely, and recommended |
| [09:56:18] | dubstar_04: | does anyone have any experience with GeForce 8300 chips and VDPAU? |
| [09:56:32] | wagnerrp: | 8300, no... 8200, yes |
| [09:57:01] | dubstar_04: | wagnerrp: what do you think of them? |
| [09:57:23] | wagnerrp: | deinterlacing is lacking, but otherwise it works great |
| [09:58:13] | dubstar_04: | my mobo has broken so I am looking at this http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=lco8LZWTqWIhdLmv |
| [09:58:24] | Dagmar: | It should be fine |
| [09:58:40] | wagnerrp: | a bit large though |
| [09:59:32] | wagnerrp: | ugh.. i expected to have all this stuff done by 6am |
| [09:59:34] | wagnerrp: | im going to bed |
| [09:59:44] | dubstar_04: | I only have 2 pci slots at present and always want a third so... |
| [09:59:48] | wagnerrp: | s/by/long before/ |
| [10:03:12] | cheavera: | I have to frontends. One with onboard intel Grahips one with ATI1550. The intel frontend works great, the ATI frontend shows two times the same vidoe stream on playback. |
| [10:04:23] | cheavera: | The stream gets stretched and shown twice underneath each other. Does someone know this problem? |
| [10:06:29] | justinh: | cheavera: stop using bob deinterlacing on the ATI machine |
| [10:06:41] | justinh: | bob no worky on ATI |
| [10:08:37] | cheavera: | justinh: does it make a lot of difference in quality? I have a nvidia chip onboard. This machine is primarily for mythtv |
| [10:08:53] | cheavera: | i could rip out the ati card |
| [10:09:02] | wagnerrp: | do so |
| [10:11:47] | justinh: | heh |
| [10:14:52] | wagnerrp: | why is my boot disk getting hammered... |
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| [10:59:36] | OmniCitadel: | Does Myth TV Support any HDMI Capture Cards? |
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| [11:11:51] | AndyCap: | OmniCitadel: no. and capturing uncompressed video is not a very good idea anyway. The component HD-PVR will be supported though. |
| [11:15:55] | OmniCitadel: | ok so max capture will be 720i correct? |
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| [11:17:11] | OmniCitadel: | cause I was looking at the Blackmagic Design Intensity HDMI Capture Card... My box has enough resources to pull it off... 2.5ghz Quad with 8 Gigs of ram |
| [11:17:46] | OmniCitadel: | but it all depends if its supported in linux or windows |
| [11:29:23] | AndyCap: | OmniCitadel: if you have non-HDCP sources you should be looking for other ways of getting that into mythtv. |
| [11:31:44] | AndyCap: | hauppauge hd-pvr does 720p and 1080i from component. |
| [11:33:24] | OmniCitadel: | I am looking to capture from a HD Sat Receiver |
| [11:35:02] | cheavera: | When is switch channels sound stops playing. I have to go back to the main menu and start playback again. |
| [11:35:30] | cheavera: | Does someone know howto fix this |
| [11:37:55] | cheavera: | I also get allot of these on the commandline: WriteAudio: buffer underrun |
| [11:38:14] | cheavera: | And these: NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! |
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| [12:16:11] | justinh: | just FYI that blackmagic card actually compresses to something similar to mjpeg on the fly. no use for mythtv though – the data storage requirements are ridiculous |
| [12:17:56] | justinh: | and its drivers for linux – if available yet – probably aren't v4l compliant |
| [12:21:47] | justinh: | oh wait they do uncompressed capture. Jees |
| [12:23:07] | OmniCitadel: | fair enough |
| [12:23:33] | OmniCitadel: | it costs as much as the HD PVR |
| [12:23:49] | justinh: | there's at least one which does do mjpeg-ish compression in realtime IIRC |
| [12:24:05] | justinh: | but even that kind of data is gonna be a pig to store & transfer |
| [12:24:45] | OmniCitadel: | The only other question is I am looking for a HTPC Case which can hold a nvdia 9800gtx |
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| [12:26:58] | justinh: | meh. when I update my frontend I'll be hiding it |
| [12:27:42] | justinh: | HTPC cases are all way too damn expensive & not one of them is perfect for me |
| [12:27:53] | AndyCap: | and if doesn't to hdcp so the whole project is moot |
| [12:28:12] | justinh: | they all tend to have a fatal flaw, like jack sockets on the front or something equally retarded |
| [12:28:24] | justinh: | or they're the size of a fridge |
| [12:28:34] | AndyCap: | atech fabrication only has one fatal flaw. the price |
| [12:28:50] | justinh: | and they're generally fugly |
| [12:29:23] | justinh: | remote cables can be extended, you can use RF even.. and HDMI cables can be *way* long :) |
| [12:29:27] | ** AndyCap likes the black front and cooling fins. ** | |
| [12:29:43] | justinh: | black casings. So 1980s. So now :( |
| [12:30:08] | AndyCap: | hiding it out of sight is nice though and cheap. |
| [12:30:12] | justinh: | yup |
| [12:30:28] | justinh: | well, cheaper than nice looking cases |
| [12:30:39] | justinh: | and bound to be quieter too :) |
| [12:30:52] | AndyCap: | Umm. this is a little kinky, http://www.atechfabrication.com/products/drive_mounting_kits.htm |
| [12:30:56] | justinh: | any HTPC cannot be the elephant in the room |
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| [12:31:19] | ** AndyCap already has an elephant or two in the room ** | |
| [12:31:31] | OmniCitadel: | gahhh it looks like all atx htpc cases are not built to accomedate a gtx9800's girth |
| [12:31:33] | justinh: | oh and those elastic drive mounts.. the HDD manufacturer engineers I've spoke to all say they're bad mojo |
| [12:31:34] | orly_owl: | I have a bt878, how do I get tvtime to see it? |
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| [12:31:42] | orly_owl: | It says 'no signal' |
| [12:31:51] | justinh: | orly_owl: this is not #tvtime ;-) |
| [12:31:56] | orly_owl: | :/ |
| [12:31:58] | AndyCap: | or #linuxtv |
| [12:32:10] | orly_owl: | I forgot the channel names. |
| [12:32:12] | AndyCap: | OmniCitadel: Um, why do you need the gtx9800? |
| [12:32:22] | justinh: | but your user may not be in the 'video' group for starters |
| [12:32:35] | orly_owl: | oh thats a good point |
| [12:32:37] | justinh: | or whichever group owns the lamegrabber card |
| [12:32:38] | orly_owl: | It says 'no signal' or isnt detected |
| [12:33:54] | AndyCap: | hah, rock'n'roll. atech has made a case for the intel dg45fc. |
| [12:35:44] | AndyCap: | and it only costs 5 times the motherboard, haha |
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| [12:38:33] | OmniCitadel: | AndyCap: Because thats the card I own |
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| [12:44:30] | ** Hodapp wonders if there's any point whatsoever in getting a TV tuner card when he doesn't watch anything that's broadcast... ** | |
| [12:45:06] | orly_owl: | When will FM radio be supported? |
| [12:45:32] | Hodapp: | I think my city has a few FM stations left that are worth hearing, like WEBN... but they lost WOXY |
| [12:46:00] | justinh: | FM radio was supported once, but nobody loved it |
| [12:46:16] | orly_owl: | I love it. |
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| [12:46:31] | orly_owl: | Not like a fine lady, but I love it. |
| [12:46:39] | justinh: | meh. FM sucks |
| [12:46:54] | justinh: | mythfm was a bag of spanners anyway |
| [12:47:26] | justinh: | it could've been incorporated officially if its developer had done things differently |
| [12:48:23] | justinh: | I've said this many times before, but radio support would only really need a new recorder class made for it to fit in with the rest of the recorders – and maybe some tweaks to the Internal player to allow it to play audio only files |
| [12:49:22] | justinh: | the big problem with any feature using the FM radio part of a tuner is determining whether or not it can be used without conflicting with TV purposes |
| [12:50:06] | justinh: | integrating it into mythtv *properly* as a new recorder class with its own source would alleviate that problem :) |
| [12:50:26] | justinh: | anyway I thought radio was all about online streams now |
| [12:50:47] | orly_owl: | USA=!World |
| [12:50:53] | justinh: | that & what we lucky europeans get over DVB signals :) |
| [12:50:57] | orly_owl: | We still have shit internet here. |
| [12:51:02] | justinh: | BS |
| [12:51:30] | justinh: | prolly more like the RIAA are killing online radio through restrictive practises |
| [12:51:38] | orly_owl: | Here=Australia |
| [12:51:52] | orly_owl: | I have a download limit. 21GB |
| [12:51:58] | justinh: | per year? |
| [12:52:02] | orly_owl: | monthly |
| [12:52:22] | justinh: | that's a lot compared to most UK providers even |
| [12:52:23] | OmniCitadel: | wow that sucks... I have 250GB / mo |
| [12:52:37] | justinh: | we go over 2GiB in one day they rate cap us |
| [12:52:58] | justinh: | how the hell would you use 21GB a month anyway? |
| [12:53:29] | orly_owl: | torrents youtube FTP usenet |
| [12:53:33] | justinh: | ahh the old 'I can download it cos it's there' routine |
| [12:53:33] | orly_owl: | Many things. |
| [12:53:40] | orly_owl: | not really |
| [12:53:42] | justinh: | serves people right |
| [12:53:58] | justinh: | blah blah game demos blah linux distros BS whine BS whine whine |
| [12:54:28] | justinh: | ugh. They're gonna do a 10th series of Red Dwarf :( |
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| [12:57:46] | justinh: | I'm against actors becoming penniless & destitute but nine series was enough |
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| [13:13:27] | Seeker`: | I'm using 0.22. In view recordings, my TV series episodes are displaying in the order 1, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14,...,19,2,20,21,22,3 |
| [13:14:19] | Hodapp: | justinh: is Red Dwarf awesome for at least a few series' worth? |
| [13:15:16] | Seeker`: | if they can get back to what they did before, it will be good |
| [13:15:26] | Hodapp: | what's a good season for me to check out? |
| [13:15:27] | Seeker`: | if its lke the special episodes for Dave, its not so good |
| [13:15:31] | Seeker`: | 1 |
| [13:15:35] | Hodapp: | ok |
| [13:15:53] | Seeker`: | start at the beginning :) |
| [13:17:48] | Seeker`: | any ideas about my episode ordering problem |
| [13:18:14] | Hodapp: | well, looks like ASCIIbetical sorting |
| [13:18:30] | Hodapp: | my quick hack would be to somehow turn 1,2,3...9 to 01,02,03...09 |
| [13:20:23] | iamlindoro: | Seeker`, Open the filter menu, choose the season/episode sort mode |
| [13:22:25] | Seeker`: | thanks |
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| [13:24:57] | justinh: | Hodapp: Red Dwarf was *never* awesome |
| [13:25:10] | justinh: | watchable yes. Awesome no |
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| [13:32:07] | ExElNeT: | heya. im stuck with this problem... scanning with scan worked... importing from channel.conf aswell... http://nopaste.info/1927d23d13.html |
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| [13:36:37] | Spida: | Seeker`: where did you get 0.22? mythtv.org and the channel topic say that 0.21 is current... |
| [13:37:24] | iamlindoro: | He's not running .22 |
| [13:37:28] | iamlindoro: | as there is no .22 yet |
| [13:37:33] | iamlindoro: | he is running trunk and calling it .22 |
| [13:37:56] | iamlindoro: | But .22 will be out in the next few days |
| [13:38:54] | tmkt: | thats when i'll probably be going back to mythbuntu 9.04 and install 22 on that..9.10 and the IR issues are driving me a little batty |
| [13:39:03] | iamlindoro: | s/22/trunk/ |
| [13:39:10] | iamlindoro: | or, then |
| [13:39:12] | iamlindoro: | I gotcha |
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| [13:40:34] | tmkt: | trunk gives me some crashes occasionally now when i go watch tv, and its recording..and i select to watch recording.. not sure what causes it..since half the time it works fine, and the other half the fe dies |
| [13:40:38] | Seeker`: | sorry, my mistake. I thought it would be more informative than "I'm not running 0.21" |
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| [14:48:32] | Defense|Twin: | hm is it possible to give mythtv a second dir from where it can read videos and play them? for example because my mythtv machine has only 80GB HDD i archive all videos from time to time to my desktop wich has a large HDD... but now i would like to be able to view those videos via mythtv. to do so i could give the mythtv machine a nfs but how can i tell mythtv to read those files from there? |
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| [14:57:23] | OmniCitadel: | what is the format of the partition? |
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| [14:59:39] | justinh: | you know where it says in the help text of mythtv 0.21's video directory field that you can add other dirs separated by a semicolon? ;-) |
| [15:00:29] | OmniCitadel: | or if you wanted to get better read right performance you could go raid 0 for the 2 disks |
| [15:04:03] | justinh: | yeah cos modern HDDs still aren't fast enough to be able to read tens of HD video files simultaneously. Oh, wait. yes they are |
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| [15:07:59] | Seeker`: | justinh: depends on the format of the video |
| [15:09:13] | justinh: | yeah well, point is you don't rahhly need raid0 for most rational purposes to do with mythtv |
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| [15:11:08] | OmniCitadel: | well rather then spanning multiple disks when one gets full a software raid 0 is the proper way to pull it off... |
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| [15:11:45] | OmniCitadel: | the only time raid 0 is not proper is if you are worried about failure and or the disks are of different sizes... and you want all the diskspace for use... |
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| [15:23:01] | justinh: | people can rattle on about performance & RAID & Zzzzzzzzz ;-) |
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| [15:36:45] | tbone: | best way to get rips to backend? |
| [15:36:47] | tbone: | [10:36] <tbone> I know you can change frontend directory to backend shared directory. But doing that I am sure will slow down the rip any suggestions? |
| [15:38:40] | tbone: | they should realy rename mythtv mythtv-dev or something to prebevent stupid people like me from accidently making messages in the wrong tab |
| [15:39:00] | OmniCitadel: | lol yea did the same thing |
| [15:40:40] | tbone: | yeah its like you join chanel mythtv, then u click on mythtv-users , but then you forget to switch tabs |
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| [15:41:14] | tbone: | i think the action of clicking mythv-users makes you think it switches tabs |
| [15:47:07] | justinh: | they should really stop frickin going on about the channel name & just get on with the rules here |
| [15:47:33] | justinh: | and they should RTFM while they're at it :) |
| [15:49:41] | justinh: | just ban IRC clients from getting channel lists. nobody would wander into #mythtv by mistake then |
| [15:51:23] | OmniCitadel: | errr well i just joined #mythtv... i never use the directory |
| [15:53:04] | justinh: | I'm still surprised people know IRC exists |
| [15:56:47] | justinh: | oh dear lord. I just found peopleofwalmart.com |
| [16:06:27] | simonckenyon: | justinh: separated by a colon – not a semicolon |
| [16:06:51] | justinh: | whatever. the description text says what it needs |
| [16:09:29] | simonckenyon: | according to the EPG (tv_grab_uk_rt) Stargate Atlantis is the "hotly anticipated spin-off from Stargate SG1" – am i in a time warp? |
| [16:11:21] | justinh: | well some people hotly anticipate stuff like that. no accounting for taste |
| [16:11:30] | ** justinh dons his flameproof suit ** | |
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| [16:51:26] | simonckenyon: | what does "tuner 66 [ DVB : /dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0 ] is asleep" on the System Status page mean? |
| [16:52:57] | justinh: | that it's asleep? |
| [16:52:57] | justinh: | :P |
| [16:53:11] | simonckenyon: | so how do i "wake it up"? |
| [16:53:51] | simonckenyon: | i've not seen this before – the other tuner on this backend works fine |
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| [17:22:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | slave or master? |
| [17:23:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | simonckenyon, ^^ |
| [17:23:08] | Captain_Murdoch: | if slave, try restarting it. |
| [17:23:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | master tuners should never be marked asleep. |
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| [17:36:34] | Seeker`: | I have my computer set up to blank the screen after a minute of inactivity. Usually mythtv disables this while something is playing, unless I FF/RW, at which point the blanking seems to be re-enabled |
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| [17:37:49] | waterfoul: | I have a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1800 which is working in fedora. The problem is the video has vertical strips in alternating color tints. I am in fedora 64bit. any 1 have any ideas? |
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| [17:39:03] | justinh: | you need to deinterlace the video maybe? |
| [17:39:33] | soccerties: | I'm having trouble adding the mythbuntu weekly builds repo, I get this error when I run apt-get upgrade after running the package from http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
| [17:39:46] | soccerties: | Err http://US.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org jaunty/main Packages |
| [17:39:46] | soccerties: | Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) |
| [17:39:46] | soccerties: | Fetched 8950B in 1s (6688B/s) |
| [17:39:46] | soccerties: | W: GPG error: http://US.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org jaunty Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2 |
| [17:39:46] | soccerties: | W: Failed to fetch http://US.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbunt . . . Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) |
| [17:39:49] | soccerties: | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| [17:40:17] | tank-man: | fail |
| [17:40:18] | ExElNeT: | is it possible to view a show from the programm guide? |
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| [17:41:07] | tank-man: | ExElNeT, maybe the key x does it (might need the show to be running or within a certain time ) |
| [17:41:24] | tank-man: | nope |
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| [17:45:39] | Seeker`: | any idea how I could start to track down the cause of DMPS not being re-enabled after FF/RW/Pausing a video? |
| [17:45:51] | Seeker`: | sorry, not being re-disabled |
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| [17:46:29] | tank-man: | logs can help |
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| [17:47:51] | tank-man: | a log file from your frontend can help |
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| [17:48:35] | Seeker`: | tank-man: with any specific -v options? |
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| [17:50:31] | tank-man: | no, just the standard output will show you when it turns off/on the monitor |
| [17:50:53] | tank-man: | that can help you track down when it doesnt toggle back |
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| [17:59:39] | Seeker`: | tank-man: it says that DPMS is deactivated when I start playing again, but it still blanks a minute later |
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| [18:20:26] | toma: | i've a 2h mismatch between the xml data i feed mythtvfilldb, how do i compensate for that? |
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| [18:26:24] | Seeker`: | tank-man: Been fiddling, each reactivation of DPMS is accompanied by a deactivation when playback starts again. |
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| [18:30:19] | ExElNeT: | tank-man: hmm ok thats a work-around... pressing x and then exiting |
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| [18:31:45] | AndrewNC_: | toma: did you doublecheck your timezone settings? |
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| [18:44:51] | justinh: | oh dear http://failblog.org/2009/10/06/bracelet-fail/ |
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| [18:48:34] | Defense: | hm do i see it right, mythtv has no bash integrated?!? |
| [18:48:45] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [18:48:50] | gbee: | eh? |
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| [18:48:51] | Defense: | and also no office |
| [18:49:08] | gbee: | oh, it's a wind up |
| [18:49:08] | justinh: | I think you mean MYTH$DISTRO |
| [18:49:30] | AndyCap: | and no emacs |
| [18:49:41] | justinh: | also no Photoshop :( |
| [18:49:57] | justinh: | I also find its lack of a MIDI sequencer very annoying |
| [18:50:00] | Defense: | ... was just wondering how many functions mythtv has integrate... and then i noticed the for a full OS desktop it is missing a bash and a office package :P |
| [18:50:04] | gbee: | no coffee maker either |
| [18:50:18] | justinh: | Defense: WHUT? |
| [18:51:05] | AndyCap: | Defense: time to put down the crackpipe for tonight, yes it is saturday, but you've had enough |
| [18:51:13] | Defense: | nobody needs photoshop... and if you would have a bash you can have any editor you want :p |
| [18:51:23] | Defense: | AndyCap: ;-) |
| [18:52:31] | justinh: | yeah, operating a terminal with a remote control would be FUN |
| [18:52:41] | Defense: | i mean mythtv can use a telephone, a browser, a burner, can play musik, movies, games... most ppl dont use more than this plus office and some neards need thier bash to become happy |
| [18:52:52] | justinh: | Defense: mythphone won't be in 0.22 |
| [18:52:58] | Defense: | :( |
| [18:53:08] | Defense: | i dont use it but sounds bad |
| [18:53:17] | Defense: | maybe i want to use it in the future |
| [18:53:28] | justinh: | maybe you'll have to maintain it then :) |
| [18:53:33] | Defense: | but anyway, mythtv is great... |
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| [18:53:46] | justinh: | put that in with your MythBASH plugin |
| [18:53:53] | AndyCap: | bashish! |
| [18:54:12] | justinh: | mythtv also doesn't have a file browser as such either. you forgot that |
| [18:54:15] | Defense: | btw. is there some frontend like amarok/kaffeine/dragonplayer? for a more desktop-friendly use? |
| [18:54:16] | justinh: | oh and no IM client |
| [18:54:19] | AndyCap: | or check if yakuake works with mythtv. |
| [18:54:22] | justinh: | no |
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| [18:54:44] | AndyCap: | Defense: mythweb. :) |
| [18:54:47] | justinh: | if you want tv on the desktop, I'd advise you use $someotherapp |
| [18:55:02] | AndyCap: | justinh: why? |
| [18:55:24] | justinh: | AndyCap: why not? |
| [18:55:25] | Defense: | justinh: so tell me with other app is as beatifull as mythtv and has linux support? |
| [18:55:45] | Defense: | justinh: windows as server sux |
| [18:55:45] | justinh: | AndyCap: mostly so he stops bugging us here :) |
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| [18:55:55] | AndyCap: | justinh: ah, I see. :) |
| [18:56:41] | Defense: | i mean mythtv is coded with QT so why not making a kde like frontend (besides no time and manpower) |
| [18:57:03] | justinh: | people could always use mythlink --rename $directory and play recordings with $someotherplayer – a more desktop friendly one with resizable window & all |
| [18:57:39] | [R]: | Defense: what is a 'kde like frontend'? |
| [18:57:42] | AndyCap: | justinh: yes, but it's still mythtv. :) |
| [18:57:53] | justinh: | it's not if it's some other player |
| [18:57:56] | AndyCap: | or use UPnP!!11!! |
| [18:58:13] | AndyCap: | justinh: the recordings don't magically appear from nowhere. :) |
| [18:58:41] | AndyCap: | even if it's been so long you set up your backend that you forgot about it. |
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| [19:02:04] | Defense: | i would like to have some player with normal font sizes, playlist and so on, but also with the mate information from mythtv and the possibility to start records without navigation through a lot of menu struktures |
| [19:03:03] | [R]: | Defense: well that's never gonna happen |
| [19:03:11] | Defense: | why? |
| [19:03:23] | [R]: | because no one wants it |
| [19:03:30] | [R]: | and no one wouold write it |
| [19:03:49] | Defense: | hmm maybe my name is noone :P and than it will hapen |
| [19:04:00] | [R]: | well if you're gonna write it |
| [19:04:02] | [R]: | have fun |
| [19:04:04] | AndyCap: | I'll say it again. UPnP |
| [19:04:20] | Defense: | AndyCap: how works UPnP? |
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| [19:04:32] | [R]: | can't totem look into the myth library? |
| [19:04:53] | AndyCap: | Defense: it means that my ps3 has a list of tvshows under videos and I'm happy. |
| [19:05:22] | Defense: | ? also possible with PC? |
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| [19:05:47] | Defense: | vlc or so? |
| [19:07:45] | wagnerrp: | [R]: totem can read the myth recordings directly |
| [19:07:54] | wagnerrp: | but it does not understand mythproto or mythschema |
| [19:08:13] | [R]: | i thought there was a gstremaer myth plugin |
| [19:08:22] | [R]: | or maybe there was and its dead |
| [19:09:18] | Hodapp: | will MythTV allow browsing of network shares like in XBMC? |
| [19:09:27] | wagnerrp: | not at current |
| [19:09:29] | Hodapp: | okay |
| [19:09:40] | Hodapp: | guess I'll put XBMC on the box then as well |
| [19:09:58] | wagnerrp: | why do you need to browser network shares? |
| [19:10:09] | wagnerrp: | erm |
| [19:10:17] | wagnerrp: | shared file systems? or UPNP shares? |
| [19:10:34] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will do network file systems just fine, assuming you mount them locally |
| [19:11:36] | Hodapp: | usually the reason ends up being something like "user has some file locally and doesn't want to puts around with configuration options, would rather just run ccxstream or simple HTTP server on the local directory" |
| [19:11:53] | Hodapp: | s/puts/putz/ |
| [19:12:02] | justinh: | storage groups will do away with a lot of that junk |
| [19:12:14] | Hodapp: | storage groups? |
| [19:12:25] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo is getting transitioned over to storage groups |
| [19:12:40] | wagnerrp: | much like recordings previously got transitioned from direct file paths to storage groups |
| [19:13:06] | wagnerrp: | you give it a pool of directories, on any machine running a backend |
| [19:13:13] | wagnerrp: | and mythvideo will be able to pool from it |
| [19:13:23] | [R]: | ooo... swimming |
| [19:13:26] | [R]: | its too cold though :( |
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| [19:13:42] | wagnerrp: | however mythvideo is still not designed for transient video |
| [19:13:44] | Hodapp: | I think... I'll just start XBMC instead when I need to browse shares. |
| [19:13:59] | [R]: | so i tried playing with metadata last nigh |
| [19:14:04] | wagnerrp: | it expects that videos will exist semi-permanently |
| [19:14:09] | wagnerrp: | so it can set up metadata for it |
| [19:14:13] | [R]: | is there like a magic list of all the "Acceptable" formats of filenames for mythvideo? |
| [19:14:15] | joe2371: | Hi! XFS a good choice for the video partition filesystem? |
| [19:14:25] | [R]: | joe2371: did you read the mythtv howto? |
| [19:14:29] | wagnerrp: | [R]: in the mythvideo settings, yes |
| [19:14:34] | GreyFoxx: | joe2371: Generally yes it is |
| [19:14:35] | [R]: | wagnerrp: hrm... |
| [19:14:48] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i'll have to check that |
| [19:14:56] | wagnerrp: | you can set custom options for different file types |
| [19:15:04] | wagnerrp: | any file types not listed will be ignored |
| [19:15:13] | joe2371: | [R]: if by "did you read" you mean "ever" then yes. "lately" then no. |
| [19:15:14] | [R]: | i like to do [seasonxepisode] subtitle |
| [19:15:16] | [R]: | is that weird? |
| [19:15:27] | justinh: | yes, IMHO |
| [19:15:28] | [R]: | joe2371: it has a whole section on filesystems... |
| [19:15:36] | [R]: | justinh: haha... why? |
| [19:15:53] | [R]: | its already in a directory with the name of the show... why should i put the show name again? |
| [19:15:53] | justinh: | you have a fetish for the square braces |
| [19:15:55] | joe2371: | [R]: thanks. I'll get reaquainted with it. |
| [19:15:56] | [R]: | ROFL |
| [19:15:57] | GreyFoxx: | most use title.s#e#.ext or title.sxe.subtitle.ext or something similater |
| [19:16:03] | wagnerrp: | [R]: in 0.22, mythvideo will have better support for different filename formats |
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| [19:16:29] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if iamlindoro has a list written down somewhere with what he supports currently |
| [19:16:37] | GreyFoxx: | all of my shares are in something like TV/Title/Season#/title.s##e##.ext . I'm pretty anal about naming them that way |
| [19:16:38] | [R]: | yeah, thats what i was looking for |
| [19:16:46] | justinh: | but it won't remove 1337.group.name.p1r@73.xvid filenames :P |
| [19:17:13] | [R]: | ok now my next question.. i was playing with metadata last night, and it seemes like a huge pain... i thought jamu was supposed to make it "magic"... but i tried readin the wiki and failed miserably |
| [19:17:23] | wagnerrp: | it will actually read out season/episode/subtitle now, instead of just using a single title field |
| [19:17:36] | wagnerrp: | [R]: are you running trunk? |
| [19:17:38] | [R]: | yes |
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| [19:18:21] | wagnerrp: | JAMU is supposed to make managing metadata a lot easier |
| [19:18:30] | [R]: | i'm just a big giatn fail probably |
| [19:18:35] | wagnerrp: | but theres still nothing a non-interactive program can do if it returns multiple entries |
| [19:18:58] | RDV_Linux: | [R]: Depending on how large your collection is you may want to use MythVideo shift-W method of getting your metadata and graphics. |
| [19:19:11] | [R]: | shift w... |
| [19:19:17] | ** [R] writes it down ** | |
| [19:19:19] | wagnerrp: | its a shortcut for 'download all metadata' |
| [19:19:36] | wagnerrp: | so you dont have to hit a couple arrow keys in the menu to do so |
| [19:19:47] | [R]: | i was loking for a menu entry like that |
| [19:19:57] | [R]: | its in a menu? |
| [19:20:27] | wagnerrp: | down-down-right-down-right |
| [19:20:42] | wagnerrp: | select-start |
| [19:21:08] | RDV_Linux: | [R]: Both MythVideo and Jamu need reference numbers (TV – TVDB# or Movies – IMDB#) to access the metadata on the TMDB and TVDB. So the pain is required. |
| [19:21:09] | [R]: | HAA |
| [19:21:16] | [R]: | wagnerrp: but from what menu |
| [19:21:23] | wagnerrp: | the... menu? |
| [19:21:32] | [R]: | which "the menu" |
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| [19:21:51] | [R]: | are you gonna make me grep the source? |
| [19:21:52] | wagnerrp: | used to be 'the menu', but i think it got moved to the info menu |
| [19:21:55] | wagnerrp: | theres only two |
| [19:22:00] | wagnerrp: | 'i' and 'm', try one |
| [19:22:05] | [R]: | i tried everythign i could last night... i coudlnt find it |
| [19:22:07] | [R]: | but i'll try again |
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| [19:22:41] | [R]: | but alas... my mythbox is still dead until i can sort out my gfx card problem |
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| [19:26:26] | justinh: | jees I forgot how much saturday night tv sucks |
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| [19:27:23] | [R]: | your in england right? |
| [19:28:38] | justinh: | you're. not your |
| [19:28:44] | wagnerrp: | ur |
| [19:28:56] | Seeker`: | thats what mythtv is for. Record decent TV from midweek. |
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| [19:29:04] | jamesd2: | saturday night tv sucks everywhere they is why we installed mythtv so we can record stuff to watch on saturday night |
| [19:29:05] | [R]: | thats what i thought... cuz i was gonna say "well theres SNL atleast" |
| [19:29:27] | wagnerrp: | [R]: that makes saturday night tv suck less? |
| [19:29:33] | [R]: | haha |
| [19:29:42] | justinh: | SNL sucked when I last saw it |
| [19:29:43] | [R]: | see i think the problem here... is your not supposed to be watching tv on sat night |
| [19:30:01] | justinh: | that your again. use English boy |
| [19:30:11] | [R]: | sorry, its lazyness |
| [19:30:24] | justinh: | problem tonight is Manchester is full of fascists :) |
| [19:30:32] | wagnerrp: | theyre certainly not MadTV level of mediocrity, but last i checked they were pretty bad |
| [19:30:51] | [R]: | wagnerrp: well on the east coast broadcast a few weeks ago there was the f word |
| [19:30:57] | justinh: | anyway, we've resorted to TV from tonight because.. we've watched everything else worth watching |
| [19:31:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, something about a chicken |
| [19:31:14] | justinh: | there's always the wire.. but I dunno if we're that bored yet |
| [19:31:35] | Hodapp: | this is like the South Park episode where they made a big production about some TV show that was going to use the word "shit" |
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| [19:32:03] | justinh: | I miss South Park but I'm not paying £25 a month for it |
| [19:32:03] | wagnerrp: | Hodapp: no, some news anchor just blurted it out... see youtube |
| [19:32:10] | Hodapp: | wagnerrp: I've seen it. |
| [19:32:13] | [R]: | justinh: southparkstudios.com |
| [19:32:19] | justinh: | no use in the UK |
| [19:32:20] | [R]: | justinh: or is that only for the US? |
| [19:32:24] | [R]: | that's lame |
| [19:32:29] | [R]: | stupid broadcasters |
| [19:32:43] | justinh: | well we stop you lot using our iPLayer :) |
| [19:32:43] | Hodapp: | god forbid a show's target audience be allowed to watch it! |
| [19:32:54] | [R]: | what does iplayer do that hulu doesn't? |
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| [19:33:03] | Hodapp: | [R]: Work in the UK? |
| [19:33:04] | justinh: | [R]: show BBC content |
| [19:33:05] | Seeker`: | have British TV programs? |
| [19:33:12] | [R]: | why would americans want to watch bbc content? |
| [19:33:14] | [R]: | :P |
| [19:33:27] | Seeker`: | because it beats a lot of US stuff? :P |
| [19:33:51] | [R]: | i tried watching the british version of kitchen nightmares |
| [19:33:53] | [R]: | it was painful |
| [19:34:02] | [R]: | i also tried watching the british version of the office... equally painful |
| [19:34:10] | justinh: | [R]: all reality TV sucks |
| [19:34:17] | Seeker`: | err, you mean the original kitchen nightmares, and the original office? |
| [19:34:20] | [R]: | yeah |
| [19:34:27] | wagnerrp: | hey, the Truman Show was great |
| [19:34:31] | Seeker`: | (The original "The Office" which was massacred to make the US version?) |
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| [19:34:49] | [R]: | the US versino of the office is totally awesome |
| [19:34:50] | justinh: | and as far as content goes, I think the good stuff like the big series exports we get make up only a tiny proportion of the junk make in the USA :D |
| [19:35:09] | [R]: | justinh: oh... american tv is full of garbage |
| [19:35:32] | Seeker`: | the american TV we get over here is mostly garbage |
| [19:35:38] | Seeker`: | and we only get the "good" stuff |
| [19:35:41] | wagnerrp: | be honest, all forms of entertainment are full of garbage |
| [19:35:57] | Hodapp: | all forms of everything are full of garbage |
| [19:36:01] | Hodapp: | INCLUDING GARBAGE!!!1111111 |
| [19:36:03] | justinh: | hey I could always fire up Inkscape & get busy on my laptop's trunk install |
| [19:36:09] | [R]: | Hodapp: i was just gonna say that |
| [19:36:16] | Seeker`: | Hodapp: apart from recently-emptied bins. |
| [19:36:23] | [R]: | i once went to a talk one of the devs from inkspace was talkin about it |
| [19:36:24] | Hodapp: | Seeker`: those don't count. |
| [19:36:36] | [R]: | had no clue what he was saying... but it was interesting |
| [19:36:36] | justinh: | think I'll take the dog for a long walk |
| [19:36:36] | simonckenyon: | Captain_Murdoch: sorry – watching the rugby – it was a slave – i've restarted it once – will try again |
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| [19:43:21] | Seeker`: | has anyone experienced any problems with VOB/DVD playback with the internal player in trunk? |
| [19:43:38] | wagnerrp: | are you using storage groups? |
| [19:43:44] | Seeker`: | yes |
| [19:43:50] | simonckenyon: | define problems |
| [19:43:57] | Seeker`: | audio / video sync |
| [19:44:20] | Seeker`: | the video seems to speed up, with the audio staying the same speed |
| [19:47:31] | simonckenyon: | not me |
| [19:47:32] | Seeker`: | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/myt . . . /+bug/447658 |
| [19:47:32] | [R]: | only bugs in myth's tracer ar egona get things fixed |
| [19:47:32] | wagnerrp: | ding ding ding... read the docs |
| [19:47:32] | wagnerrp: | specifically.... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Tran . . . isadvantages |
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| [19:47:43] | wagnerrp: | VOBs wont work, unless youre playing the ~20minute blocks independently |
| [19:47:52] | wagnerrp: | but physical DVD drives should work |
| [19:48:08] | Seeker`: | I had the same problem playing from the DVD I ripped the VOB from |
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| [19:48:32] | wagnerrp: | 'the VOB'... singular? |
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| [19:49:18] | wagnerrp: | because you should have one per GB (dvds split at 1GB) |
| [19:49:19] | Seeker`: | VOBs |
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| [19:49:29] | Seeker`: | will, VIDEO_TS folder |
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| [19:49:49] | wagnerrp: | and if youre playing the VIDEO_TS folder, see the above link |
| [19:50:46] | wagnerrp: | the dvd playback libraries in mythtv do not work with the current implementation of storage groups |
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| [19:54:10] | Seeker`: | isn't that fairly huge feature fail? |
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| [19:54:28] | wagnerrp: | no, because the old mechanism still exists |
| [19:54:30] | gbee: | Seeker`: lets have your patch then |
| [19:54:45] | gbee: | cheeky fecker |
| [19:55:03] | wagnerrp: | in order to make it work, mythtv will either have to provide the decoder libraries with a block device, or a mounted file system |
| [19:55:24] | wagnerrp: | requiring a kernel or FUSE module |
| [19:55:44] | Seeker`: | hmm, there is a difference between "Storage groups" and "Mythvideo storage groups"? |
| [19:56:07] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo uses the 'Videos' storage group, specifically |
| [19:56:11] | AndrewNC_: | the first is used for recordings |
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| [19:56:33] | wagnerrp: | storage groups are just the general capability of providing a directory pool, that can be streamed from the backend |
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| [19:56:50] | Seeker`: | ah, ok. I haven't set up mythvideo to use a storage group, it is set to point to a single folder at the moment |
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| [19:58:20] | wagnerrp: | then there is some playback option, 'use video as time base', that you should check off |
| [19:58:27] | wagnerrp: | or maybe its uncheck 'use audio as time base' |
| [19:58:30] | wagnerrp: | one of those two |
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| [20:00:33] | Seeker`: | I can only see "use video as timebase" on the first screen of "General Playback", which is already unchecked |
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| [20:00:50] | wagnerrp: | then it should be checked |
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| [20:06:30] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: video plays at normal speed with that, totally lose the sound though |
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| [20:08:21] | Der_Thomas: | Hey guys been trying to figure out an annoying problem for a while. Whenever myth is not showing video, after a certin amount of time the TV goes black. I've disabled the screensaver and turned off the "blank screen" option in the screensaver. I can't seem to figure out what is causing this |
| [20:08:32] | [R]: | Der_Thomas: DPMS |
| [20:09:03] | Der_Thomas: | stupid question, but does that apply to a TV or is that just for a monitor? |
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| [20:09:59] | Der_Thomas: | |R|, I've got this in my xorg.conf: Option "BlankTime" "0" |
| [20:10:28] | Der_Thomas: | I've been told that is supposed to stop that from happening |
| [20:12:49] | [R]: | well obviously its not |
| [20:12:52] | [R]: | you can use xset to turn it off |
| [20:14:07] | Der_Thomas: | thanks |
| [20:16:12] | oobe: | does anyone know why some movies i add to themoviedb.org wont show up in searches |
| [20:16:27] | oobe: | like is there somthing special i need to add |
| [20:16:44] | oobe: | like if i search for this http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/16725 |
| [20:16:53] | oobe: | it wont show up and i added it weeks ago |
| [20:17:50] | oobe: | http://api.themoviedb.org/2.1/Movie.search/en . . . %20fragments |
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| [20:23:25] | oobe: | Der_Thomas, you dont really want to disabled it this happens to prevent your tv from burning out your display |
| [20:23:48] | oobe: | newer tv's will blank itself if you computer wont |
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| [20:26:54] | Seeker`: | I have issues with blanking not being disables / re-enabled properly. |
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| [20:31:02] | ExElNeT: | hmm when i try to enter an imdb id with my remote and press select, mythtv wont accept the id and just pops up the virtual keyboard... is there a workaround for this? |
| [20:34:23] | [R]: | you have to select the ok button |
| [20:41:17] | ExElNeT: | [R]: there is no ok button... ok on the remote opens the virtual keyboard |
| [20:41:38] | [R]: | the dialog should have the text entry |
| [20:41:40] | [R]: | and a button |
| [20:41:52] | ExElNeT: | hmm it does not ;/ |
| [20:42:01] | [R]: | and you hit the return key on hte keyboard? |
| [20:43:04] | ExElNeT: | no the remote |
| [20:43:10] | ExElNeT: | without a keyboard |
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| [20:44:05] | Greek-Boy: | [R]: You said you were on kernel 2.6.30 on ubuntu 9.04? I updated to this kernel. I couldn't get 2.6.31 to work with ubuntu 9.04 so I used 2.6.30 but I couldn't get Jarod Wilson's patches found on http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /263197.html to work. :-( |
| [20:44:39] | Greek-Boy: | [R]: Am I supposed to install lirc from source or from aptitude? |
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| [20:46:17] | Greek-Boy: | [R]: Also do I have to select any driver when installing lirc? Sorry to be asking a lot but i am really confused as to how to get my HD PVR to blast and receive IR |
| [20:47:17] | oobe: | Greek-Boy, have you tried running mythbuntu-control-centre it has an lirc setup page |
| [20:47:36] | Greek-Boy: | oobe I am not running mythbuntu |
| [20:47:43] | Greek-Boy: | i'm on ubuntu |
| [20:47:49] | oobe: | so what |
| [20:48:20] | oobe: | sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-control-centre |
| [20:48:20] | Greek-Boy: | and the thing is that those patches that I'm supposed to run for my HD PVR didn't work. Jarod Wilson's patches |
| [20:48:42] | Greek-Boy: | [R] has his HD PVR running just fine because of those patches. I just don't know exactly how he got it running... |
| [20:49:04] | Greek-Boy: | oobe: I'll install mythbuntu-control-centre |
| [20:49:17] | Greek-Boy: | but i still need to get those patches to apply |
| [20:49:37] | oobe: | unless your remote is really new there should be lirc support available in dkms |
| [20:49:47] | [R]: | you have to compile it all |
| [20:49:52] | [R]: | but if i remember, those patches werne't enough |
| [20:49:57] | [R]: | i had to screw around with it a while to make it work |
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| [20:51:34] | pyther: | Hello |
| [20:51:51] | Greek-Boy: | [R]: I am guess this is the order in which to do things. 1. Compile/Install v4l-dvb, 2. Compile/Install Lirc, 3. run patches |
| [20:51:58] | Greek-Boy: | but for me it doesn't work |
| [20:52:04] | pyther: | If I run: mythshutdown -w 2009-10–10T16:30:31 does a file get written? |
| [20:52:11] | Greek-Boy: | [R]: Can you remember which drivery (if any) did u install for LIRC? |
| [20:52:18] | [R]: | you dont "run patches" |
| [20:52:25] | [R]: | Greek-Boy: the zilog |
| [20:52:34] | Greek-Boy: | [Rok |
| [20:52:46] | [R]: | pyther: why would a file get written? |
| [20:52:50] | Greek-Boy: | [R]: you're on 2.6.30 or 2.6.31? |
| [20:52:54] | [R]: | 30 |
| [20:53:27] | Greek-Boy: | that's a good sign |
| [20:53:35] | Greek-Boy: | coz i could only get .30 to run on ubuntu 9.04 |
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| [20:53:47] | Greek-Boy: | .31 halts |
| [20:53:57] | pyther: | [R], Well I'd I thought it would write the time in seconds in a file |
| [20:54:01] | [R]: | you should just wait until all the paches get merged |
| [20:54:09] | pyther: | at least the guide I'm following gives that impression |
| [20:54:18] | [R]: | pyther: shutdown runs wahtever script you set it upt with |
| [20:54:22] | [R]: | said script can do wahtever you want |
| [20:54:32] | [R]: | but shutdown doesnt do any file writing |
| [20:54:36] | Greek-Boy: | [R]: They get merged in .31? I am thinking of running ubuntu 9.10 beta |
| [20:54:41] | [R]: | Greek-Boy: no clue |
| [20:55:08] | pyther: | So is mythshutdown configurable?+ |
| [20:55:08] | [R]: | pyther: in mythwecloem you st up what script it runs |
| [20:55:11] | [R]: | its all covered in the guides |
| [20:55:14] | [R]: | that your not reading |
| [20:55:23] | [R]: | the wiki texplains it all |
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| [20:55:49] | pyther: | ahh okay, I don't want mythwelcome to run, but I suppose I can still get the desired results |
| [20:56:02] | [R]: | thats the whole point of mythshutdown |
| [20:56:13] | [R]: | you can point the backend to wahtever script you want |
| [20:56:15] | [R]: | to shutdown |
| [20:56:45] | Seeker`: | upgrading to trunk seems to mean that I have to choose between ac3/dts passthrough over HDMI or actually having sound in sync with video |
| [20:56:46] | Greek-Boy: | [R] did u run those patches while u were in directory /usr/src ? |
| [20:57:07] | [R]: | you dont "run patches" |
| [20:57:11] | [R]: | how many times do i have to say it |
| [20:57:23] | Greek-Boy: | sorry |
| [20:57:28] | Greek-Boy: | i meant "apply" "patch? |
| [20:57:41] | Greek-Boy: | which patches did you apply from http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /263197.html ? |
| [20:57:42] | [R]: | i applied them in the directory where i had the source code it was applying them to |
| [20:58:14] | [R]: | i dont remebmer |
| [20:58:16] | [R]: | like i said |
| [20:58:18] | [R]: | it didnt "just work" |
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| [20:58:20] | [R]: | so i doubt you're gonna get it working |
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| [20:58:33] | Greek-Boy: | but u got it working |
| [20:58:38] | Greek-Boy: | didn't u? |
| [20:58:39] | [R]: | yes, because i know what i'm doing |
| [20:58:46] | [R]: | if you want it to "jsut work" |
| [20:58:47] | [R]: | uyse fedora |
| [20:59:00] | Greek-Boy: | I dont want it to "just work" |
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| [20:59:12] | Greek-Boy: | i am willing to sweat to get it working |
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| [20:59:28] | Greek-Boy: | i was just hoping with your guidance i would sweat much less :P |
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| [20:59:57] | Greek-Boy: | I was kinda excited when i found out u got it working in ubuntu |
| [21:00:13] | [R]: | i could maek tiw ork on any dist |
| [21:00:16] | [R]: | like i said, you have to know what you are doing |
| [21:01:03] | Greek-Boy: | sorry to be a pain in the butt but could you be just a little more specific about that? |
| [21:01:06] | Greek-Boy: | is it a very long process |
| [21:01:08] | Greek-Boy: | i dont think it is |
| [21:01:27] | [R]: | yews |
| [21:01:29] | [R]: | like i said |
| [21:01:31] | [R]: | it dindt just work |
| [21:01:37] | Greek-Boy: | ok |
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| [21:10:32] | [R]: | Greek-Boy: looks like its not in 31 |
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| [21:18:25] | notlistening: | Hi I have a script that runs mythcommflag why would it do that? |
| [21:18:35] | notlistening: | i did not write it :P |
| [21:18:43] | jduggan: | bbc1 listings have changed this evening |
| [21:19:03] | jduggan: | radiotimes site shows old listings, with a note on the front page, NTL/virgin epg is out of date |
| [21:19:10] | jduggan: | freesat eit is correct by the looks |
| [21:19:11] | jduggan: | :o |
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| [21:21:58] | Seeker`: | Right, this is getting silly. With "use video as timebase" off and ac3 passthrough enabled, I get wrong speed video, but the audio sounds normal. If I disable ac3 passthrough, I get normal video, but the sound is distorted and out of sync. With "use video as timebase" and ac3 passthrough enabled, I get normal video and no sound. With "use video as timebase" and ac3 passthrough disabled, I get normal speed video, but the audio is slightly |
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| [21:24:53] | oobe: | what tuner are you using |
| [21:25:33] | Seeker`: | I use a NOVA-T 500, but this is playing back VIDEO_TS folders ripped from a DVD. |
| [21:25:42] | oobe: | some frame grabbers require you to set the audio sample rate |
| [21:25:46] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [21:25:56] | oobe: | thats not it then |
| [21:26:00] | Seeker`: | :) |
| [21:26:25] | Seeker`: | I am using trunk. These videos worked well before I upgraded. |
| [21:26:29] | oobe: | does most other things play back normal |
| [21:26:43] | oobe: | i.e just the video_ts folders |
| [21:26:46] | Seeker`: | and I am not using mythvideo storage groups |
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| [21:27:51] | oobe: | i had trouble with a video_ts folder once i made it into an iso image and that solved it for some reason |
| [21:27:54] | Seeker`: | recordings made by mythtv play back normally |
| [21:29:45] | Seeker`: | hmm, 1080p h264 recordings are very jerky too, keep on losing sound due to prebuffering |
| [21:31:33] | justinh: | 1080p *recordings*? |
| [21:31:45] | Seeker`: | sorry, trailers |
| [21:32:15] | Greek-Boy: | [R]: Thanks |
| [21:32:21] | _ben: | g'evening |
| [21:32:24] | ** _ben tips hat ** | |
| [21:32:31] | Seeker`: | hi |
| [21:34:04] | Seeker`: | its just frustrating that I upgraded to a newer version, and I get worse performance than with the old one |
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| [21:35:34] | oobe: | its a pre release version |
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| [21:37:35] | gbee: | it's A) not been released yet B) not widely tested because of A C) Unreported issues don't get magically fixed – http://svn.mythtv.org |
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| [21:38:48] | Seeker`: | I'm trying to get help to find out what the issue is so I can report it. I don't really want to make a bug report that basically says "stuff doesn't work, please fix it" |
| [21:42:47] | Seeker`: | working via bugtrackers can have a 24 hour turnaround between question and response due to timezones etc. I was hoping to try and get at least partway towards working out what the problem was in a vagely real-time environment before moving to the slower one to get it fixed |
| [21:43:13] | kormoc: | Are you a manager? |
| [21:43:18] | Seeker`: | no |
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| [21:43:41] | kormoc: | So in anycase, you said it's a trailer playback issue, likely one from apple.com? |
| [21:44:19] | Seeker`: | The main problem I have is playback of ripped DVDs. apple.com trailers also fail, but I am less concerned about getting those working |
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| [21:44:37] | kormoc: | so pastebin a log with -v playback? |
| [21:45:10] | Seeker`: | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33381401/mfe-r22322.log |
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| [21:46:26] | kormoc: | try turning off your deinterlacer? |
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| [21:55:11] | Seeker`: | kormoc: still the same problem, along with error messages about not being able to load the deinterlacer "none" |
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| [22:01:21] | notlistening: | QSqlDatabasePrivate::removeDatabase: connection 'DBManager1' is still in use, all queries will cease to work.? What does that mean? |
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| [22:04:11] | joe2371: | I'm confused. I see advice for users in North America to use Schedules Direct instead of XMLTV. Yet the XMLTV site seems to suggest that it works for North America too. Am I missing something here? |
| [22:05:42] | kormoc: | joe2371: where does it say that? |
| [22:05:43] | joe2371: | I thought SD came about because there was no other way to get listings in the US. |
| [22:05:45] | gbee: | xmltv supports Schedules Direct |
| [22:06:18] | gbee: | but you still have to have an SD subscription and if you are doing that then you might as well use the native SD support |
| [22:06:52] | joe2371: | kormoc: the advice is on a distro specific howto. |
| [22:07:17] | kormoc: | you said it was from the xmltv site... |
| [22:07:26] | gbee: | xmltv doesn't offer NA listings from a source other than SD, not officially and any unofficial NA grabber is probably not legal |
| [22:07:33] | joe2371: | oic |
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| [22:08:40] | joe2371: | I said it "seems to suggest". The XMLTV site lists "North America" on its list of regions supported. |
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| [22:08:56] | joe2371: | I see how that works, now, if it is provided by SD. |
| [22:09:23] | joe2371: | gbee: how is scraping schedules off of websites illegal? |
| [22:09:35] | gbee: | still seeing a number of people using old zap2it labs xmltvids (submitted to the icon services) suggesting that there are cheapskates out there who'd avoid paying $0.05 a day for SD |
| [22:10:04] | gbee: | joe2371: violates their copyright and T&Cs |
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| [22:10:23] | joe2371: | I'm prepared to subscribe to SD, but not until I've gotten the system largely up and running already. |
| [22:10:57] | joe2371: | gbee: oic, you mean tvguide.com and sites like that. I meant the sites of the networks themselves. |
| [22:12:01] | Seeker`: | kormoc: any other ideas after disabling deinterlacing? |
| [22:12:02] | joe2371: | go to foodtv.com or something and you'll find their TV listings. I assumed that's what XMLTV did. |
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| [22:13:07] | kormoc: | joe2371: a lot of them have the same restrictions |
| [22:13:11] | kormoc: | Seeker`: not off hand |
| [22:14:16] | joe2371: | ah. No robots or something. OK, well, maybe I should just go ahead and bite the bullet since I've already invested in all this hardware... |
| [22:15:10] | kormoc: | joe2371: http://www.foodnetwork.com/home/terms-of-use/index.html (iii) use an automatic device.... |
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| [22:19:18] | AndrewNC_: | one cannot currently mix SG and regular storage at the moment, correct? |
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| [22:20:45] | iamlindoro: | You can use both |
| [22:21:04] | pyther: | If I invoke mythshutdown --setscheduledwakeup should it call the nvram-wakeup command? |
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| [22:21:58] | _ben: | is it just me or with mythweb, if you do a search e.g. films then chose a film and set it to record you can't easily go back to the list of films? |
| [22:22:18] | kormoc: | open it in a new tab? |
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| [22:47:31] | alakhia: | i am using mythtv version: 0.22.20091005–2 |
| [22:47:32] | android60: | where is it again i can set how long before live tv files expire and are deleted? |
| [22:47:47] | Seeker`: | my problem seems to go away if i press "U" to speed the video up, pause it and unpause it. |
| [22:48:17] | alakhia: | and when I try a news feed, I get this message: "No browser command set! Mythnews needs Mythbrowser to be installed." |
| [22:48:33] | alakhia: | problem is, I have mythbrowser installed |
| [22:48:40] | alakhia: | do I need to configure anything? |
| [22:48:45] | joe2371: | I've gotten to the first instance of running mythtv-setup, yet I don't seem to have been asked to create a mythtv user nor switch to it. Should I have done so? |
| [22:48:47] | iamlindoro: | so set the browser command to "Internal" |
| [22:48:48] | Seeker`: | actually, just pausing and unpausing fixes it |
| [22:48:51] | Dagmar: | android60: Thers's no fixed time |
| [22:49:19] | android60: | Dagmar: so the files left from live tv are there until the drive fills up and they are auto deleted? |
| [22:49:33] | alakhia: | iamlindoro: how do I set the browser command? |
| [22:49:37] | purserj: | no, they are left for 24 hours and then deleted |
| [22:49:47] | iamlindoro: | alakhia, in the settings |
| [22:49:48] | Dagmar: | android60: It'll generally expire recordings because either a) you told it you only wanted six of something, it's recording the seventh, and you told it to delete old and record new or b) it wants space for more recordings and something's flagged to be expirable |
| [22:49:49] | purserj: | or until the drive fills up, whichever comes first |
| [22:50:04] | iamlindoro: | specifically those for "web" |
| [22:50:12] | Dagmar: | android60: Those get nuked in 24 hours if it notices, or to free up space for more |
| [22:50:12] | wagnerrp: | alakhia: for future reference, when giving a version number, give the subversion revision given by 'mythbackend --version' |
| [22:50:25] | alakhia: | iamlindoro: it is already set to "Internal" |
| [22:50:29] | Dagmar: | android60: Mainly you will find that if you don't tell it to keep everything forever, it'll delete stuff on it's own fine |
| [22:50:38] | wagnerrp: | those distro package revisions are meaningless to us |
| [22:50:51] | CShadowRun: | Fun question, anyone here ever had the fun idea of turning your mythtv backend into a router? (i have the fun idea of building a mythtv/fileserver/router/printserver/... all in one box) |
| [22:50:52] | iamlindoro: | alakhia, Then mythbrowser is not isntalled/not properly installed |
| [22:51:00] | Dagmar: | android60: because it would be somewhat wasteful, the thing basically doesn'yt worry about deleting much until it actually NEEDS space |
| [22:51:09] | CShadowRun: | i said fun too much in that sentence to be healthy >.< |
| [22:51:17] | wagnerrp: | CShadowRun: theres no reason why you couldnt |
| [22:51:34] | Dagmar: | CShadowRun: Don't |
| [22:51:39] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, yea, i'm just wondering what software to use, most of the decent firewall stuff comes in an entirely self contained distro |
| [22:51:47] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, why not? |
| [22:51:51] | Dagmar: | Find some piece of crap pentium-1 with >128Mb of RAM and you're good |
| [22:51:55] | wagnerrp: | however its generally considered good practice to have as few processes running on your router/firewall as possible |
| [22:52:02] | Hodapp: | I have discovered that it's very tough to try out MythTV on a box with a Radeon 7000 when the box refuses to start X. |
| [22:52:06] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, that's pretty much what i'm running on atm |
| [22:52:09] | Dagmar: | CShadowRun: Because you'll be more likely to want PCI slots for tuner cards |
| [22:52:12] | CShadowRun: | but i figure it'd be cool to all in one it |
| [22:52:21] | Dagmar: | OKay so you know then that your router is more than capable of maxing out even 100base-T |
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| [22:52:34] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, i only need 2 tuners and 2 network cards, my machine has 3 pci slots, which is ample for the job |
| [22:52:34] | Dagmar: | You dont' need a lot of horsepower to toss packets and filter them |
| [22:52:47] | Seeker`: | surely you want your router/firewall seperate, so that everything else is hidden behind it, rather than running on it |
| [22:52:54] | alakhia: | iamlindoro: i can verify that mythbrower is installed |
| [22:52:58] | Dagmar: | Also keep in mind that you will be running all that across _one bus_ |
| [22:53:21] | CShadowRun: | Seeker`, yea, i'd have to do something so that the tv's internet tasks where "behind" the firewall part |
| [22:53:22] | Dagmar: | If you _try_ to max out the number of things oen machine is doing, _you probably will_ |
| [22:53:27] | alakhia: | iamlindoro: is there a log that can give an error msg or something? |
| [22:53:43] | Seeker`: | CShadowRun: Don't think you can manage that. Unless yu have two copies of the OS running at once |
| [22:53:48] | wagnerrp: | if youre worried about power consumption for those things, you might want to pick up a little embedded machine |
| [22:53:55] | CShadowRun: | Seeker`, i was pondering just running pfsense in a virtual machine |
| [22:53:58] | Dagmar: | Dude, there's iptables |
| [22:54:06] | wagnerrp: | throw a hacked firmware onto a consumer router |
| [22:54:07] | Dagmar: | WTF |
| [22:54:09] | joe2371: | I have an ancient laptop that I've been using as a light server for such things. I haven't even begun to max it out, yet it draws very little power and effectively has a double UPS. |
| [22:54:14] | wagnerrp: | or pick up a soekris/alix box |
| [22:54:25] | Dagmar: | I'll make this simple. |
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| [22:54:31] | CShadowRun: | yea but i don't wanna have multiple 24/7 on boxes, i just see no point in it |
| [22:54:39] | Dagmar: | If you're trying to put your router functionality into your PVR, pfsense is not for you |
| [22:54:55] | Dagmar: | You're trying to build a sherman tank and all you need is a hand grenade |
| [22:55:08] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, i use pfsense currently :P |
| [22:55:08] | alakhia: | iamlindoro: i checked /var/log/mythfrontend.log and doesn't have anything useful about the brower |
| [22:55:14] | Dagmar: | CShadowRun: So what |
| [22:55:26] | CShadowRun: | well i use most of it's features |
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| [22:55:40] | wagnerrp: | not likely |
| [22:55:40] | Dagmar: | If you think it's sane to put that on the same box as your PVR, you're making decisions about as intelligent as the average chicken. |
| [22:55:44] | wagnerrp: | maybe most of its basic features |
| [22:56:05] | CShadowRun: | haha, why not? |
| [22:56:19] | wagnerrp: | pf has a LOT of stuff you can tinker in the background that most people never even bother with |
| [22:56:25] | Dagmar: | because iptables probably does all the stuff you are doing with pfsense, and then some |
| [22:56:29] | Dagmar: | ...without the pointless overhead. |
| [22:56:45] | wagnerrp: | beyond the fact that freebsd does not like tuner cards |
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| [22:57:02] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, i use the traffic shaper |
| [22:57:15] | CShadowRun: | and i'm waiting for pfsense 2's new traffic shaper :) |
| [22:57:30] | Dagmar: | Now, imagine what power you'd have if you actually read a bit about iptables and learned to use _its_ QoS |
| [22:57:50] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, unless it can do protocol detection, no more than what i currently have :P |
| [22:58:02] | Dagmar: | Right so this is what I mean about cluelessness |
| [22:58:13] | Dagmar: | "protocol detection" is trivial |
| [22:58:23] | CShadowRun: | cool :) |
| [22:58:39] | CShadowRun: | as much as i might be able to dive around in iptables, other people in my household won't be able to, though. |
| [22:58:44] | CShadowRun: | so i do need things like a web panel |
| [22:59:22] | Dagmar: | Why are you letting _completely_ incompetent people change firewall/routing policy? |
| [22:59:30] | Dagmar: | I'm just sayin'. |
| [22:59:33] | Dagmar: | It sounds like trouble to me |
| [22:59:44] | _ben: | thats a scary thought |
| [22:59:50] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, because my dad isn't completely incompitant, he's just not a linux sysadmin :/ |
| [22:59:55] | _ben: | granny hacking away at the firewall script |
| [22:59:55] | alakhia: | iamlindoro: another interesting thing: if I go to web and then click enter url of youtube, that works |
| [23:00:02] | Dagmar: | So write a shell script. |
| [23:00:03] | Dagmar: | hehe |
| [23:00:18] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, the guy is only compitant when it comes to windows, and has a complete linux phobia |
| [23:00:28] | CShadowRun: | unless it has a simple web panel he won't allow it |
| [23:00:31] | Hodapp: | competent. |
| [23:00:34] | alakhia: | iamlindoro: so web is working but news' web stories are not working |
| [23:00:43] | wagnerrp: | CShadowRun: you use its traffic shapper... which one? |
| [23:00:51] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, the one built into pfsense |
| [23:00:55] | wagnerrp: | which one? |
| [23:00:57] | alakhia: | does that ring a bell? |
| [23:01:04] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, that is the one? |
| [23:01:20] | joe2371: | If my BE has 4GB of RAM, should I consider a HD Ringbuffer that is much larger than the default 9MB? I have 5 HD tuners, if that matters. |
| [23:01:29] | _ben: | ALTQ? |
| [23:02:30] | CShadowRun: | so yea, back on topic, has anyone actually done it? |
| [23:02:35] | Dagmar: | joe2371: How long was it you were trapped in that cave, man? |
| [23:02:52] | joe2371: | Dagmar: Hmm? |
| [23:02:54] | Dagmar: | There hasn't been a ringbuffer to adjust in like a year |
| [23:02:55] | wagnerrp: | well theres CBQ, PRIQ, HFSC |
| [23:03:09] | joe2371: | I guess I'm using an older version then. |
| [23:03:12] | Dagmar: | Oh yes |
| [23:03:19] | Dagmar: | Get 0.21-fixes if you can, or at least 0.21 |
| [23:03:20] | wagnerrp: | plus theres various sub modes, for congestion |
| [23:03:30] | Dagmar: | CShadowRun: Done what? |
| [23:03:38] | Dagmar: | Put router stuff into their PVR? |
| [23:03:39] | Dagmar: | I can do it. |
| [23:03:39] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, built a mythtv/router box |
| [23:03:53] | wagnerrp: | i have a friend who did it for years |
| [23:03:54] | Dagmar: | Just like I can walk outside and jump in front of truck, too. |
| [23:04:00] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, cool |
| [23:04:01] | joe2371: | 0.21_p20877 |
| [23:04:05] | Dagmar: | It's not fucking rocket science. |
| [23:04:19] | Dagmar: | You don't even have to play mood music for the rockets. |
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| [23:04:40] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, so you think i should have 2 24/7 online boxes? |
| [23:04:46] | joe2371: | looks like its either that, or I break away from using my distro's package manager and switch to svn or something. |
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| [23:04:58] | Dagmar: | I think there's a thing called _separation of function_ which is a formal principle |
| [23:05:01] | wagnerrp: | CShadowRun: program your myth box to put itself in standby? |
| [23:05:08] | Dagmar: | I think there's also an issue with saturating hte PCI bus and making things generally suck. |
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| [23:05:12] | wagnerrp: | buy a new small low power machine to run your firewall? |
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| [23:05:26] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, as i said i want it to do other stuff too, like file server, print server, seedbox |
| [23:05:32] | Dagmar: | I also think a firewall with a CFdisk or thumbdrive and a low-powered CPU uses a lot less juice than you think |
| [23:05:53] | Dagmar: | The file server and all that good stuff you can run on your myth box and it'll even make sense to do so |
| [23:05:54] | wagnerrp: | i have my router on a small ALIX box, it consumes all of about 3W |
| [23:06:18] | Dagmar: | Just don't put your border gateway functionality/responsibility on your PVR |
| [23:06:22] | _ben: | or you could just get a cisco tin or something :p |
| [23:06:31] | wagnerrp: | although i figure it will only last me until about 40–50mbps before i run out of power |
| [23:06:50] | Hodapp: | I have an Alix too... well, it's 60 miles away |
| [23:06:51] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, exactly, cpu power is the main reason i stopped using a conventional router |
| [23:06:57] | Hodapp: | Geode, fanless, silent |
| [23:07:07] | CShadowRun: | got alot of clients on this network, my old netgear used to crash constantly under the load |
| [23:07:15] | wagnerrp: | however i very likely have a lot more complex ruleset than yours |
| [23:07:29] | Dagmar: | Someone in here awhile back linked a $100 runt of a board that comes with two 100base-T ports on it and a CFdisk slot for like $100 |
| [23:07:43] | Dagmar: | CShadowRun: How many clients? |
| [23:07:58] | _ben: | soekris or something? |
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| [23:08:08] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, anywhere up to 16 clients |
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| [23:08:15] | Dagmar: | Defective |
| [23:09:07] | CShadowRun: | i could get a linksys but i was always worried that i'd have the same problem with it |
| [23:09:14] | _ben: | http://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/NetBoot_Embedded_(soekris) |
| [23:09:16] | _ben: | neat |
| [23:09:24] | Dagmar: | 1. Buy one that actually says it's going to handle that many users |
| [23:09:41] | Dagmar: | There's some seriously small ones that were meant for the average household that would certainly fail |
| [23:09:59] | Dagmar: | I've been off and on advising my local coffee house for years |
| [23:10:15] | CShadowRun: | cool :) |
| [23:10:19] | Dagmar: | It took a lot of hackery to make the first _underpowered_ linksys box not fail |
| [23:10:37] | CShadowRun: | but when you add onto the fact that i want traffic shaping |
| [23:10:41] | CShadowRun: | a typical router isn't going to cut it |
| [23:10:45] | CShadowRun: | i think. |
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| [23:10:58] | Dagmar: | Traffic shaping means you need more ram |
| [23:11:08] | CShadowRun: | i thought protocol detection ate the cpu |
| [23:11:08] | Dagmar: | Maybe a _little_ more CPU |
| [23:11:30] | Dagmar: | How many protocols do you think are going on there? |
| [23:11:40] | CShadowRun: | what like in the whole network? |
| [23:11:49] | Dagmar: | Odds are you can spot http becasue it's going to port 80 or 443, and just assume everything else is bittorrent |
| [23:11:50] | wagnerrp: | i was unaware PF did any sort of protocol detection |
| [23:12:04] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, it doesn't, one of the reasons i want to change :) |
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| [23:12:11] | CShadowRun: | (or wait till pfsense 2, which does) |
| [23:12:27] | Dagmar: | I think you're looking to buy magic beans |
| [23:12:30] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, yea, that doesn't work for me atm |
| [23:12:40] | CShadowRun: | haha |
| [23:12:44] | Dagmar: | I seriously od. |
| [23:12:55] | Dagmar: | I work at a large (and I mean LARGE) university |
| [23:13:09] | Dagmar: | We don't need protocol detection to do traffic shaping. |
| [23:13:26] | _ben: | you just buy more internets tho :p |
| [23:13:34] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, well the problem i have is that p2p traffic leaks into the gaming queues |
| [23:13:38] | wagnerrp: | PF's capabilities stop at layer 3 |
| [23:13:41] | Dagmar: | ...and the students will immediately _use_ those internets |
| [23:13:41] | CShadowRun: | and yea in a uni you have alot more internet than me :P |
| [23:13:57] | Dagmar: | CShadowRun: The games use pretty obvious ports tho |
| [23:13:57] | wagnerrp: | 'pfsense 2' is just a customized distribution of freebsd and pf, its not going to change that |
| [23:14:26] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, that doesn't stop peers (outside my network) from setting their listening ports to the same as a game |
| [23:14:37] | Dagmar: | Guess what |
| [23:14:37] | CShadowRun: | which makes the traffic jump into the gaming queue, and chokes everything else out |
| [23:14:42] | Dagmar: | They can encrypt the traffic, too. |
| [23:14:46] | CShadowRun: | yea |
| [23:14:53] | Dagmar: | This is why expecting protocol _detection_ to wrangle P2P is fail |
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| [23:15:03] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, not really, you just attack it from the other angle |
| [23:15:07] | CShadowRun: | don't detect p2p, detect the game |
| [23:15:14] | CShadowRun: | p2p catch all, problem solved |
| [23:15:19] | Dagmar: | doubt it |
| [23:15:25] | wagnerrp: | how about this... if you watch a client abusing the system like that, block them |
| [23:15:32] | _ben: | anway |
| [23:15:36] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, block myself? :O |
| [23:15:50] | Dagmar: | but then I *did* just freaking say to put in rules for the stuff you know you want and recognize, and to just lump the rest in together as low priority |
| [23:15:51] | _ben: | i guess if p2p is causing you this much problems it's warez :p |
| [23:16:03] | Dagmar: | Surely you can BEAT SOME USERS |
| [23:16:03] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, yup that's exactly what i want to do :) |
| [23:16:26] | CShadowRun: | recognize the protocols i want to based on protocol detection, everything else is p2p |
| [23:16:35] | Dagmar: | You dont' really need much int he way of advanced protocol "detection" for that |
| [23:16:43] | Dagmar: | You mainly just need to be abel to read the output of tcpdump |
| [23:16:56] | CShadowRun: | yea, i've done some stuff with sockets so i can do that |
| [23:17:22] | Dagmar: | Lemme put this another way |
| [23:17:39] | Dagmar: | iptables has built into it the ability to do something special with a packet based on it's content |
| [23:17:45] | Dagmar: | ...and all you need are very simply checks |
| [23:17:57] | CShadowRun: | sounds exactly like what i want :) |
| [23:18:09] | Dagmar: | It's not _that_ hard to write rules that apply these checks to the start of a session and not the rest o fit |
| [23:18:14] | CShadowRun: | that only leaves one problem, and that is that i need a web panel for it for the less smart people :) |
| [23:18:29] | Dagmar: | ...and checking to see if byte 23 of the packet contains a 68 is computationally trivial |
| [23:18:33] | ** _ben rolls eyes ** | |
| [23:18:37] | Dagmar: | dealing with buckets for QoS is more work |
| [23:18:49] | wagnerrp: | why would you want your users tinkering with the firewall rules? |
| [23:19:05] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Sometimes I like to take some wire and just beat myself with it |
| [23:19:06] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, i wouldn't, but i don't really have much choice :) |
| [23:19:11] | Dagmar: | it's probably something along those lines |
| [23:19:20] | wagnerrp: | yes you do, dont allow them to touch it |
| [23:19:30] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, but it's as much their internet connection as it is mine |
| [23:19:33] | wagnerrp: | if they want a change, they can make a request |
| [23:19:51] | Dagmar: | ...and you have how many "clients"? |
| [23:19:54] | CShadowRun: | i can't just hijack someone elses internet and tell them that any changes have to go through me first |
| [23:19:57] | wagnerrp: | if sane, you can apply it |
| [23:19:59] | CShadowRun: | only one that requires access |
| [23:20:04] | wagnerrp: | if not, you can explain why its not sane |
| [23:20:23] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, they don't need full control, just basic stuff like port forwarding mainly |
| [23:20:32] | Dagmar: | They can run their own firewalls behind yours |
| [23:20:36] | CShadowRun: | and the ability to mac allow more clients |
| [23:20:38] | Dagmar: | If you let just any idiot change firewall policies, generally any idiot _will_ |
| [23:20:54] | CShadowRun: | the statement still stands, it's a shared connection, i can't monopolize it |
| [23:20:56] | Dagmar: | Oh set up uPnP then |
| [23:20:57] | CShadowRun: | and i won't be allowed to do so |
| [23:21:03] | wagnerrp: | these users are all behind a single IP? |
| [23:21:11] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, yup |
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| [23:21:30] | wagnerrp: | upgrade to a business line, and buy a bunch of IPs |
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| [23:21:51] | CShadowRun: | we have 8 ip's, but only one line :) |
| [23:21:58] | _ben: | huh? |
| [23:22:00] | wagnerrp: | buy more |
| [23:22:02] | wagnerrp: | one per house |
| [23:22:23] | CShadowRun: | so you want me to buy 16 telephone lines |
| [23:22:27] | CShadowRun: | instead of having a web panel? |
| [23:22:38] | wagnerrp: | why would you need 16 phone lines? |
| [23:22:41] | Dagmar: | You're runnign this over _dialup_? |
| [23:22:48] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, nah, slow adsl |
| [23:23:03] | CShadowRun: | (best we can get in our area till 2010) |
| [23:23:05] | Dagmar: | Then why did you mention telephone lines? |
| [23:23:12] | CShadowRun: | because ADSL runs through telephone lines? |
| [23:23:17] | Dagmar: | No it doesn't. |
| [23:23:19] | Dagmar: | It runs over copper. |
| [23:23:27] | CShadowRun: | the telephone lines are copper |
| [23:23:31] | wagnerrp: | so if youve got 16 people paying into it, just get a business grade DSL line, and one IP per user |
| [23:23:35] | Dagmar: | _Telephones_ run over telephone lines and it's not telephone lines until there's a telephone involved. |
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| [23:23:49] | Dagmar: | Also, TELEPHONE LINES DON'T REQUIRE EXPENSIVE WIRE |
| [23:23:58] | CShadowRun: | heh |
| [23:23:58] | gnarface: | CShadowRun: if your firewall was openbsd pf you could implement a completely fair bandwidth sharing setup that would distribute bandwidth equally under load |
| [23:24:25] | gnarface: | i'm sure other firewall implementations besides PF have that basic feature but i don't know of any personally |
| [23:24:34] | wagnerrp: | gnarface: hes running pfsense (pf under freebsd) |
| [23:24:45] | gnarface: | oh |
| [23:24:47] | CShadowRun: | gnarface, all i really want to do is catch all p2p and leave it in the background, and prioritize things like games and voip, while having a simple web panel for the other people to do basic stuff (like port forwarding) |
| [23:24:51] | Dagmar: | Telephones are totally fine over cat3 even. |
| [23:24:53] | gnarface: | well then what's the problem with class based queues? |
| [23:24:58] | Dagmar: | ADSL, not so much |
| [23:25:11] | Dagmar: | Your doing it backwards. |
| [23:25:12] | wagnerrp: | he wants to add this router into his own mythtv box |
| [23:25:21] | CShadowRun: | that too :P |
| [23:25:22] | gnarface: | OH |
| [23:25:22] | Dagmar: | Catch the traffic you _want_, assume everything else is P2P until proven otherwise. |
| [23:25:24] | _ben: | he also wants pretty webinterfaces for clueless people to administer |
| [23:25:27] | Dagmar: | Life is happier that way |
| [23:25:28] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, yup i agree |
| [23:25:29] | wagnerrp: | basically, hes providing this service to all of his neighbors |
| [23:25:38] | wagnerrp: | but he wants to do it on the cheap and not have to run a second machine |
| [23:25:41] | _ben: | seriously WTF |
| [23:25:41] | gnarface: | well with pf.conf you CAN set up presets that are activateable/deactivatable by shell script |
| [23:25:45] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, nah, i live in a 6 bedroom guest house |
| [23:25:50] | _ben: | ADSL isnt that expensive |
| [23:25:57] | gnarface: | but i'm with these guys, just cause you can doesn't mean you should |
| [23:25:57] | CShadowRun: | each room can take up to 2 people, + visitors, 16 people. |
| [23:25:57] | wagnerrp: | 16 people in a 6 bedroon house? |
| [23:26:10] | Dagmar: | Mexicans. |
| [23:26:13] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [23:26:15] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, english :P |
| [23:26:22] | _ben: | are you a fucking student? |
| [23:26:31] | wagnerrp: | so these are all your housemates |
| [23:26:33] | Dagmar: | hehehe |
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| [23:26:41] | CShadowRun: | _ben nope |
| [23:26:42] | wagnerrp: | just have them suck it up, and come to your room to request changes |
| [23:26:52] | CShadowRun: | but we do take students from the local language school :) |
| [23:26:55] | gnarface: | i wouldn't allow them to have port forwards f that security liability |
| [23:27:01] | wagnerrp: | you are basically running an ISP |
| [23:27:02] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, can't tell my dad that :) |
| [23:27:10] | wagnerrp: | you buy internet, they buy internet from you |
| [23:27:14] | _ben: | oh hell, just run RT on said box and get them to submit change requests :p |
| [23:27:15] | gnarface: | ugh |
| [23:27:15] | CShadowRun: | yea, i don't allow the lodgers access obviously |
| [23:27:19] | CShadowRun: | but my dad needs access |
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| [23:27:22] | CShadowRun: | and he ain't no linux guru |
| [23:27:31] | Dagmar: | You *can* tell your dad that because he's your dad and can wake you up in the middle of the night to say "FIX IT BOYAH" |
| [23:27:55] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, it's not an option |
| [23:28:04] | Dagmar: | Write some shell scripts that do the things he doesn't know how to do for him |
| [23:28:05] | CShadowRun: | web panel or nothing, really |
| [23:28:11] | Dagmar: | Surely he can type |
| [23:28:16] | CShadowRun: | he won't use ssh, or anything, he wants a web panel or no deal |
| [23:28:32] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, yea, but hes paranoid/dilusional/ocd/... |
| [23:28:40] | CShadowRun: | so i can't really do shit, it's difficult to live with |
| [23:29:00] | ** wagnerrp just has serious problems opening up a web browser to his firewall functions ** | |
| [23:29:17] | wagnerrp: | even more than that, a web server running as root |
| [23:29:18] | gnarface: | CShadowRun: you're doomed. |
| [23:29:23] | CShadowRun: | haha, if it was up to me i'd just use iptables |
| [23:29:24] | wagnerrp: | just seems like a singularly bad idea |
| [23:29:26] | joe2371: | CShadowRun: My brother! you and I have the same dad! |
| [23:29:41] | CShadowRun: | but i either have to have a web panel or stick with the current setup |
| [23:29:43] | CShadowRun: | joe2371, haha |
| [23:30:17] | CShadowRun: | (and belive me i know it's a bad idea, he's hijacked the box before) |
| [23:30:23] | Hodapp: | gaah... stupid X, stupid Fedora, stupid something |
| [23:30:28] | CShadowRun: | (on multiple occasions, actually) |
| [23:30:29] | Hodapp: | I just want X to start |
| [23:30:30] | _ben: | i'd move out tbh |
| [23:30:36] | CShadowRun: | _ben working on it :) |
| [23:31:04] | CShadowRun: | but yea, guess i'll have to have a seperate box and wait for pfsense 2 |
| [23:31:12] | CShadowRun: | since building it into the tv seems like a bad idea |
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| [23:31:28] | _ben: | you have problems with tuners and freebsd tbh |
| [23:31:35] | _ben: | you'd* even |
| [23:31:47] | CShadowRun: | _ben yea i'm intending on using mythbuntu for the mythtv stuff |
| [23:31:59] | CShadowRun: | i was just thinking that there would be something i could run on the mythtv box to do the job similar to pfsense |
| [23:32:05] | CShadowRun: | (or even run pfsense in a vm) |
| [23:32:18] | _ben: | not with a webinterface |
| [23:32:32] | _ben: | unless it's something like ipcop |
| [23:32:44] | CShadowRun: | yea i thought about ipcop, but it's more of a full distro |
| [23:32:51] | _ben: | yeah |
| [23:33:05] | CShadowRun: | i wonder if i could install ipcop and then install X and mythtv ontop of it, but it'd probably be difficult |
| [23:33:38] | Dagmar: | *facepalm* |
| [23:33:41] | wagnerrp: | http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=firewalls |
| [23:34:00] | wagnerrp: | just run two machines already |
| [23:34:03] | Dagmar: | It's not like shoving nine shoes into one shoebox |
| [23:34:03] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, cool :) |
| [23:34:15] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, yea, that's probably what i'll do (as said above) |
| [23:34:28] | wagnerrp: | think of it like virtualization |
| [23:34:35] | wagnerrp: | you run a dozen servers on one system |
| [23:34:42] | wagnerrp: | any one can use a lot of load at one time |
| [23:34:51] | Dagmar: | ...and starve the rest to death. |
| [23:34:53] | wagnerrp: | but if 2–3 want to run heavy load, theyre all SOL |
| [23:35:13] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp, yea, i was thinking separate cores for that |
| [23:35:34] | wagnerrp: | but at that point, its got nothing to do with cores |
| [23:35:43] | wagnerrp: | its all IO, and your computer only has so much of it |
| [23:35:52] | CShadowRun: | ah, i see |
| [23:35:55] | Seeker`: | CShadowRun: run two boxes. That is the easiest and best solution |
| [23:36:03] | wagnerrp: | especially when you have devices that use it wastefully |
| [23:36:13] | CShadowRun: | yea i guess so, it means forking out for an ALIX board aswell as a mythtv box, though :) |
| [23:38:14] | wagnerrp: | well its not really 'forking out', a full system with memory chip will only be $200 |
| [23:38:34] | wagnerrp: | and use a few $ worth of power per year |
| [23:38:39] | CShadowRun: | that's not bad, price has gone down since i first looked :) |
| [23:39:07] | wagnerrp: | i spent like $185 for mine last october |
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| [23:39:30] | Seeker`: | CShadowRun: if your dad is putting extra requirements on you, surely he can buy the box you need? |
| [23:40:02] | CShadowRun: | Seeker`, nope, it took 3 months of arguments to get him off the netgear that crashed 2–3 times a day |
| [23:40:28] | CShadowRun: | (and 2 router hijackings) |
| [23:41:07] | Seeker`: | let the system degrade to the point where it starts bothering him |
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| [23:41:46] | CShadowRun: | Seeker`, he rarely uses it, i'd be the one suffering :) |
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| [23:41:56] | Hodapp: | any of you using a frontend on just a standard-def TV? |
| [23:42:03] | CShadowRun: | Hodapp, me |
| [23:42:08] | Hodapp: | What card? |
| [23:42:21] | Seeker`: | Hodapp: I used to use it on a 15" monitor with a PVR-150 |
| [23:42:24] | CShadowRun: | uhh, it's an old nvidia card, i think 6 series, want me to check? |
| [23:42:47] | Hodapp: | CShadowRun: Using Nvidia's proprietary drivers and only TV out (no monitor)? |
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| [23:42:54] | CShadowRun: | Hodapp, yup |
| [23:43:03] | Hodapp: | did you have to configure much of anything? |
| [23:43:14] | CShadowRun: | no not at all actually, everything worked out of the box |
| [23:43:18] | CShadowRun: | (mythbuntu) |
| [23:43:35] | CShadowRun: | never plugged a monitor into it at all |
| [23:43:51] | Hodapp: | perhaps I'll just quit wasting my time with this Radeon 7000 then |
| [23:43:59] | Hodapp: | and buy an Nvidia card |
| [23:44:11] | CShadowRun: | Hodapp, exactly the same thing happened to me, i got rid of my radeon and stuck an nvidia in there |
| [23:44:38] | Hodapp: | my Radeon 9250 worked fine for stuff like XBMC, then it fried itself and I can't even get X to start with this Radeon 7000 |
| [23:44:49] | CShadowRun: | the proprietary ati drivers work, i think |
| [23:44:56] | Hodapp: | not on this |
| [23:45:57] | Hodapp: | I am probably just going to order an 8400 GS soon |
| [23:46:05] | CShadowRun: | woa |
| [23:46:06] | CShadowRun: | that's overkill |
| [23:46:35] | CShadowRun: | just pick up a cheap nvidia card for $30, that's what i did, serves me great |
| [23:46:39] | Hodapp: | I'm not gonna save much money if I get something older |
| [23:46:51] | CShadowRun: | 8400's go for $30 now? |
| [23:46:56] | iamlindoro: | CShadowRun, an 8400 GS *is* a $30 nVidia card |
| [23:47:05] | CShadowRun: | wow...stuff gets old quickly |
| [23:47:10] | wagnerrp: | you can find it for as low as $20 |
| [23:47:12] | [R]: | mine was $45, but its pci |
| [23:47:17] | wagnerrp: | even new, it was only a $40 card |
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| [23:47:30] | CShadowRun: | my 8800GT in my pc is gonna be old soon and i only bought it last year :( |
| [23:47:35] | CShadowRun: | it was the best back then lol |
| [23:47:41] | Hodapp: | I have a 9600GT... in a server that's not running |
| [23:47:43] | Seeker`: | my 8800GTS is getting old now |
| [23:47:49] | Hodapp: | can't be used in the myth box though |
| [23:47:55] | CShadowRun: | hehe] |
| [23:48:04] | wagnerrp: | 320? 512? 640? |
| [23:48:19] | Hodapp: | but it's looking like the 8400 GS I need (which is PCI) is ~ $40 on newegg |
| [23:48:34] | CShadowRun: | i have a pair of 8800GT 512 in my box :) |
| [23:48:48] | wagnerrp: | the GTS |
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| [23:49:01] | CShadowRun: | nah, just GT |
| [23:49:13] | wagnerrp: | Seeker`: has a GTS |
| [23:49:26] | Hodapp: | I want to do something with this 9600GT... nobody wanted to buy it on craigslist, but I've done some CUDA work so I figure I should keep it and do some programming on it |
| [23:49:32] | wagnerrp: | Hodapp: at the point you need a PCI graphics card, you may want to consider just upgrading the machine |
| [23:50:10] | Hodapp: | wagnerrp: It's an Athlon64. It's plenty fast. |
| [23:50:23] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar, ALIX 2D2 System Board – LX800 / 256MB RAM / 2 LAN / 2 mini-PCI / USB / 500 Mhz AMD Geode LX, sound good for my requirements? |
| [23:51:00] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: think its a 320 |
| [23:51:14] | wagnerrp: | ah, so the old chip |
| [23:51:31] | Seeker`: | I built the PC 2 years ago |
| [23:51:42] | Hodapp: | wagnerrp: The motherboard is a rather solid one that I like, and if I can spend $40 and get a card that'll do VDPAU, I'd say it's probably worth it. |
| [23:52:13] | wagnerrp: | why type of TV is this? |
| [23:52:48] | wagnerrp: | actually, nevermind |
| [23:53:13] | wagnerrp: | Xv does scaling inside the graphics card, so you would be sending it uncompressed, but original resolution video |
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| [23:55:40] | Seeker`: | my screensaver becomes activated whenever my VIDEO_TS playback reaches "DVDNAV_CELL_CHANGE" |
| [23:56:03] | Hodapp: | wagnerrp: well, it's a crappy standard-def CRT, but it might get upgraded at some point. |
| [23:56:25] | Seeker`: | and then I have to wait for up to 50 seconds for a --deactivate or --poke command to be sent to turn it off again |
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