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Wednesday, October 7th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

ok, just wondered if you knew something with all your inside info

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sphery:

(just don't do any trading on the Hauppauge stock!)

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mzb:

wagnerrp, I've added pre/post-command calls for livetv, recordings and video (I seem to remember you saying something about an "elegant" requirement;)

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mzb:

is there any point in submitting patches in a ticket? ... or something?

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justinh:

mzb: 'plugins' held together with gaffer tape are more VDR's style

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mzb:

not a plugin

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wagnerrp:

mzb: i made no such comment

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mzb:

hmm .. .must have been someone else, nm

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justinh:

mzb: I know, but people call all kinds of things 'plugins'

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wagnerrp:

well that someone else is also here

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justinh:

;)

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mzb:

ah

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justinh:

nasty hacks, mostly ;P

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** mzb "plugs in" an extra memory module **

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mzb:

ps: the lights dimming on playback is quite spectacular

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justinh:

readyboost? ;)

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justinh:

mzb: mythfrontend uses that much CPU it dims the lights? Jesus

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justinh:

;)

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mzb:

hehe

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sircolin:

I want to compile a webcam driver from my ubuntu_64 with mythtv installed I wonder if it will break anything in myth it uses v41-dbl any know about this stuff

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sircolin:

http://pastebin.ca/1600034

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justinh:

wha? wtf is a webcam driver doing using v4l-dvb?!

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justinh:

or did they merge trees with v4l generally?

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sircolin:

that's what I was thinking

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iamlindoro:

they merged repositories

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mzb:

essentially, the pre-command sends a command to the box that does X10 control. It then does something like "if !dark; set lounge_lights very_dim"

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justinh:

sircolin: so long as they don't use the same chipsets you should be ok I think

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sphery:

perfect for all the lounge lizards

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sircolin:

lsusb and check then ?

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justinh:

s/chipsets/modules

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mzb:

yep ... isn't that what mythtv is for? :)

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justinh:

ivtv used to taint the kernel version of tuner.ko. I worked around it

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mzb:

ok, so I get the impression that a pre-post command patch is not going to be regarded as anything but a hack (perhaps rightly so)

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justinh:

mzb: how so?

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justinh:

I wasn't saying your changes are a nasty hack earlier. just that nasty hacks generally get called plugins ;)

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sphery:

mzb: my comment about the generic event API for Myth was not so much one to allow external apps to access event info, but more a wish to have your functions not inlined... So, when you want your "PLAYBACK_STARTING" event to occur, you call a function with that event name, and it delegates to some function to handle that event (by calling scripts or whatever), then we can easily add "PLAYBACK_ENDING" and "FRONTEND_STARTED" and ...

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sphery:

... "RECORDING_FINISHED" and ...

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mzb:

a) I've never submitted a patch, b) I'm not sure if it qualifies as elegant (although it's damn simple), c) it requires three separate mods (livetv, recordings, video) rather than one

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justinh:

sphery: that'd handily feed into audio feedback stuff when somebbody does it too :)

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justinh:

mzb: won't make it into 0.22 fer sure

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mzb:

sphery, ah, yes ... but how/where do I start with that? (this was all about dbus, right?)

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mzb:

tbh, as long as it's in my house I don't care :) ... just wanted to share/contribute

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jya:

wagnerrp: yes I am now

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wagnerrp:

read the following couple lines

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mzb:

I can see that (atm) there's probably only one person who wants that functionality ;)) (although all the people I've mentioned it too have done a kowtow;)

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mzb:

s/it to

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jya:

wagnerrp: the imdb.py script that got committed make use of the new python bindings I added... You can test it with that one...

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justinh:

mzb: there are plenty of other uses for that kind of thing. the mythtv twitters prolly would like it too

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wagnerrp:

that the one that works off the downloadable database?

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jya:

and the find_meta one too

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mzb:

ok, I'll see if I can generate a patch and submit it

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justinh:

and ultimately a big master status screen might be cool to have aswell – see connected frontends, what's playing what...

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jya:

wagnerrp: I wrote a ticket about the new calls and what they are for. Pretty much it was just to access all field of the metadata, before that only one or two could be accessed

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justinh:

if $coronation_street electrify_sofa.sh

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jya:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6245

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justinh:

if $porn lock_door.sh

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i mentioned that ticket

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wagnerrp:

i rolled all those functions into a Video class, but i added backwards compatibility so we dont have to rewrite all the dependent scripts immediately

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wagnerrp:

just trying to confirm the backwards compatibility works with everything

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jya:

They will let you submit that for 0.22 ? sounds a tad risky with only 4 days to go

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sphery:

mzb: don't need dbus... just getting it in a single-process state is fine for now, then we can extend it with the myth protocol to propogate events to other myth processes (or, if someone desires, dbus)

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wagnerrp:

thats why im checking all of this stuff for compatibility

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wagnerrp:

externally, it shouldnt be any different

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jya:

I understand, but that's more than bug fixes there...

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mzb:

oh, btw ... I'm executing the command with "myth_command(preplayback_cmd)" ... is there a better way

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wagnerrp:

its more of a cleanup than new features

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mzb:

and|or should the command def in the db have a "&" appended for a fork?

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jya:

I've said the same thing about all my new code :)

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clever:

mzb: i beleive that command will block until your script returns, and disable most inputs (lirc) when blocking

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clever:

your script could fork itself into the bg right away, or just have an & at the end

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AndrewNC_:

is graphite the only MythUI theme so far that displays fanart as a background?

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wagnerrp:

i remember there being some simple changes to terra to display them

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justinh:

nope

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mzb:

yep, so if "&" is appended the best method? I imagine there are situations where a pre-command *should* block

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clever:

mzb: but it may also clear the queue of keys/buttons that have been input

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iamlindoro:

AndrewNC_, One or two spots in Terra, and blue-abstract-wide

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wagnerrp:

and then there are two other themes released in the last week or two with fanart

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mzb:

is there a better call method?

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jya:

committed in trunk yes, otherwise you have the new "blue-abstract"

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iamlindoro:

and, of course, numerous unreleased themes

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justinh:

and as yet unstarted themes

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clever:

mzb: you could have a glance at QProcess, it basicaly gives you full control

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AndrewNC_:

I have not yet looked at blue-abstract-wide

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clever:

mzb: but then you would have to disable lirc/joystick/junk manualy, if you needed it

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jya:

would be good to commit a bit more themes than just Graphite and Terra

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mzb:

um, example perhaps?

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mzb:

nope ... I want it *simple* ... perhaps I'll just submit it as is and let this discussion happen in the ticket system?

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clever:

mzb: there should be several on the qt docs site, it basicaly has signals to give you full control of the process, while waiting in the event loop

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wagnerrp:

jya: were you talking about imdbpy.py? i dont see a imdb.py

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justinh:

trac is not a discussion forum ;)

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jya:

yes... that one

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sphery:

mzb: I assume you mean myth_system? If so, myth_system() is the right one to use. Note, though, you may need to pass an additional arg to say to not disable LIRC/Joystick events.

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justinh:

mzb: maybe on the -dev list. make a change to see some talk about actual development of new features

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mzb:

um

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mzb:

yes, I'm sorry ... myth_system is it

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jya:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6219 was the ticket for the updated imdbpy.py script and the grab_metadat stuff (forgot the name)

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** mzb gets his 2nd coffee ;) **

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justinh:

but put the patch in trac when you're done for sure :)

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clever:

sphery: ah, didnt know of that extra arg:)

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jya:

What is jamu using to access the database? the python bindings or it access the database directly?

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mzb:

justinh, so chat on @mythtv-dev about it first and then submit? ... hmm ... sounds like more work than I'd intended ;)

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RDV_Linux:

jya: Mostly the binding but sometimes direct access. I try to move the the bindings when new functions are available. I even added MythVideo bindings a while ago.

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justinh:

no I mean when you're done tidying up the patch submit it to trac. then if people want to discuss it bring it up on the -dev list

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sphery:

mzb: and, yeah, you probably want to background your script with an & as clever mentioned

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justinh:

anyhoo. reckon it's bedtime

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mzb:

yep, thanks sphery

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sphery:

mzb: Even if you just submit what you have and don't continue work on it/improving it, it will get done. I /know/ it will get done. :)

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sphery:

there's a reason I have a general idea of how I want it to work, already :)

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mzb:

ok ... something to start the ball rolling is good enough for me :)

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mzb:

(even if it goes nowhere;)

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jya:

RDV_Linux: could you add an option in Jamu so it completely skips a video if there's any information related to it? I have a lot of videos in French , each time jamu sees them it sees that they don't have artwork and it tries to retrieve it. It fails miserably (because there aren't any) but in the mean time, it blocks any fast bulk updates

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RDV_Linux:

jya: What are "fast bulk updates" do you mean "mass bulk updates"? Jamu will skip any videos with a inetref # of "99999999" eight nines. It is a way to skip a user's home videos that are in MythVideo and their manually entered metadata.

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RDV_Linux:

jya: Will that server for what you want?

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jya:

I've used find_meta.py to fill info about most of my videos

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jya:

it took a long time for some because I had to manually enter the imdb# by hand for many

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jya:

they don't have 9999999 in their, nor do I want to add it to all manually :)

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jya:

When I start Jamu in "mass bulk update" it tries to retrieve info for most of my videos because they don't have fanart or other pictures.

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jya:

I would have liked Jamu to only do the videos that have no information whatsoever...

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jya:

also find_meta.py add a mode where it scans the directory itself, and if it finds a video not in the database, it adds it... This is great to automatically add new content without having to go into the video manager and redo a scan

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jya:

I have a flew video blogs I download with a cron each night... they don't show up in myth until I manually run a scan

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RDV_Linux:

jya: That would be a bigger change at way too close to the 0.22 release. I would consider that post 0.22. Well there is the "-MG" option which lets jamu guess at what a video is and will add it to MythVideo automatically.

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RDV_Linux:

jya: For guessing to work well you need well formed filenames.

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wagnerrp:

jya: just fill in '99999999' for any videos currently '00000000' (default)

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wagnerrp:

one simple sql statement

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wagnerrp:

or do you mean it already has text data, so thats not an option?

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jya:

it won't be as simple as that as all the videos that haven't been added will now be ignored too.

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jya:

if I start find_meta.py , it sees which videos as already been processed and ignore them automatically (because they contain text).

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jya:

Jamu doesn't and it want to scan all of them, always... takes forever

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jya:

I don't really care about fanart at the end, I'm more interested in the plot, cast and category of the movie, so I can do a search later.

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RDV_Linux:

jya: I think people miss the major point of Jamu and that is to give you a fast way to get MythVideo collection updated with metadata and graphics. After that update new videos through MythVideo directly. Running jamu for regular maintenance is a bit frivolous.

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

I need help

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mattwj2002:

can anyone recommend a good remote with IR reciever?

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jya:

I like frivolous :)

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mattwj2002:

frivolous remote?

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mattwj2002:

:-s

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mattwj2002:

do you have a model number?

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mattwj2002:

jya ?

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jya:

I use an Hauppauge, MCE remote, cheaps works well.

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mattwj2002:

yeah that is what I have had before

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mattwj2002:

but I moved and now I don't know where it is

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mattwj2002:

:s

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jya:

any MCE remote will work with it.

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mattwj2002:

that is why I need a replacement

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mattwj2002:

:)

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jya:

like an xbox remote

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mattwj2002:

cool

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mattwj2002:

:D

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jya:

For my home cinema, with a MCE receiver, I use a Universal Remote Control MX-810

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jya:

Dibblah: I found the manual of your SR-6300, it definitely does Dolby Digital...

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Dibblah:

Thanks. But it doesn't do AC3.

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Dibblah:

DD is just a matrix encoding scheme.

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jya:

Dolby Digital

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jya:

that's discrete 5.1 , it even does DD EX (6.1)

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jya:

you're confusing with Dolby Pro-Logic, this one is a matrix encoded one.

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jya:

Dolby Digital is up to 6 discrete channels (5.1)

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Dibblah:

Ah, okay. You're meaning that Myth with the right set of patches will work through S/PDIF?

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jya:

http://us.marantz.com/c_sr6300_man.pdf

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jya:

it should work today ...

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jya:

Set number of speakers to Stereo (I know, very dumb) check Dolby and DTS passthrough, select an ALSA output for your digital connection (usually ALSA:spdif will do)

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jya:

if using ticket #6975, check speakers configuration to 5.1 and check what your receiver is capable of (Dolby and DTS)

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Dibblah:

Okay – Will try once I have more time and it's not 2AM – Thanks :)

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** sphery gets smart and bookmarks all the tabs in his browser after spending 5 hrs looking through tickets to find ones he plans to work on **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: weren't you looking to do jobqueue things with the bindings? did you see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3126 ?

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wagnerrp:

the bindings have done jobqueue stuff through the database for several months now

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sphery:

ahhh.

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sphery:

well, might be a new way post 0.22. :)

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wagnerrp:

ill be more interested when the jobqueue can be run arbitrarily (sans recordings)

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sphery:

do people really so confused as to need: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3632 ?

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wagnerrp:

only if they dont type english

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sphery:

heh, "get so confused"

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, trunk supports running jobs that are unrelated to a recording. there's no way to insert them yet, but they will be run by the JobQueue.

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: last time i tried (a couple weeks ago) it complained about not being able to grab the program info for the recording

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wagnerrp:

do i have to force the chanid/starttime fields to null?

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Captain_Murdoch:

set chanid = -1

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Captain_Murdoch:

instead of things like "chanid 1034 @ 2009-10–06T21:48:35", it will show "JobID #734"

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Captain_Murdoch:

in the logs

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wagnerrp:

ok

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Nice work... (Though I haven't tested it, it /sounds/ very impressive.)

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sphery:

and, I hope--for your sake--will be the last of the work on the threaded image loading

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, I'm hoping it will get beat to death over the next week so there aren't issues in the release.

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sphery:

that would be nice

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mzb:

I've got my patch ready. Should I submit it as a patch or an enhancement in a new ticket?

[01:58:23]

mag0o:

hmm, getting a segfault with 22255 – *** glibc detected *** mythfrontend: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x084d1918 ***

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mag0o:

compiled yesterday

[01:59:27]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Unfortunately, not knowing if it's done, yet, I don't know whether to hold off on mentioning that you may be the best person to look at #6817--it seems that the position map isn't getting updated for H.264 videos during LiveTV. Then again, maybe abqjp would be the one to look at it.

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sphery:

Oh, and also, in case you didn't notice, I kind of chickened out on changing the TFW to use toLocal8Bit()...

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Captain_Murdoch:

:) that sounds like a -plus patch.

[02:00:32]

Captain_Murdoch:

or trunk for a while, then -plus and -fixes.

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mzb:

submitting as enhancement

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iamlindoro:

mag0o, You need to update, there are numerous bugs that were jsut fixed pertaining to image loading

[02:03:43]

mzb:

Ticket #7257 (new enhancement): Add the ability to execute pre-post playback scripts

[02:03:45]

mag0o:

k

[02:03:48]

mzb:

fwiw

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mag0o:

thx

[02:03:58]

sphery:

mzb: technically it would be an enhancement, but some devs prefer to see it as a patch just to know that it's got a patch...

[02:04:07]

sphery:

enhancement works for me

[02:04:13]

iamlindoro:

mzb, you'll probably need to add config for it too

[02:04:14]

mzb:

ah ... ok, we'll see :)

[02:04:19]

mzb:

config?

[02:04:28]

mzb:

it's documented :)

[02:04:34]

sphery:

we really need a "Enhancement with patch", then we could make "Enhancement" (without patch) just automatically close the ticket. :)

[02:04:40]

iamlindoro:

as in, a setting added to a setting screen (probably TV playback) to configure the command

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mzb:

hmm ... sorry that's beyond me ... baby steps :)

[02:05:02]

iamlindoro:

asking the user to insert into the DB does not an elegant feature make :)

[02:05:28]

mzb:

I agree, but meh ... let's see if it goes anywhere ;)

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iamlindoro:

mzb, copy the examples found in programs/mythfrontend/globalsettings.cpp

[02:05:43]

mzb:

gee, there's that 'elegant' word again :)

[02:05:52]

iamlindoro:

mzb, I'm saying it probably won't go anywhere without a config

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sphery:

mzb: don't worry about it... As you may have gathered, I have some ideas for modifying it--and it will make those settings unnecessary :)

[02:06:03]

iamlindoro:

heh

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sphery:

though, normally iamlindoro's advice would be very true

[02:06:33]

mzb:

thanks sphery ... I've got a new brew to put down rather than work out a config :)

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mzb:

k, point taken

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elmojo:

gbutters: awesome looking theme!

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elmojo:

any chance you have a link to download?

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, It's linked in the ticket

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elmojo:

not the main theme

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iamlindoro:

yes, it is :)

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iamlindoro:

it's what he calls the "menu theme"

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elmojo:

oh

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gbutters:

elmojo: Thanks

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elmojo:

sorry for the disruption

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: you have a chance to try the latest copy with JAMU?

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sphery:

elmojo: I learned something new, too, so thanks for asking :)

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AndrewNC_:

were folders removed from browse view in mv in trunk? I just rebuilt and it is all funky

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iamlindoro:

folders weren't removed-- sure you aren't in flat view?

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iamlindoro:

M->Disable Flat View?

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I assume you mean the latest copy of the python bindings. If that assumption is correct I thought I had already tried the latest and pastebin linked you a bug. That was several hours ago. If you IMed me that there was a new version I missed it. Same link?

[02:19:09]

AndrewNC_:

oh, just noticed that thx

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elmojo:

Wow, the UI is blazing fast now!

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AndrewNC_:

was that there before and I never noticed?

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: ah, well i replied back on the fix, anyway, new copy is up

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iamlindoro:

flat view has always been there-- though I fixed it a week or two ago

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iamlindoro:

so you were probably in it, but it wasn't working until I fixed it

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RDV_Linux:

OK sill give it a try and get back to you.

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AndrewNC_:

oh, so the setting was there, just not taking effect

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iamlindoro:

correct

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wagnerrp:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

it *would* have taken effect had you disabled metadata browse modes in the settings

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AndrewNC_:

definitely a "what the.." moment ;-)

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iamlindoro:

but now it'll work anywhere

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AndrewNC_:

the image loading seems way faster now, has that been updated?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, Captain_Murdoch busted his tail writing a major image threading/image loading overhaul

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AndrewNC_:

oh, looks like it is multithreaded now, huge improvement in the ui

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iamlindoro:

beers welcome

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AndrewNC_:

Captain_Murdoch: very sweet!

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iamlindoro:

(and beers well deserved)

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jpabq:

sphery: looks like janneg may have already addressed #6817

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sphery:

jpabq: The fix he put in only allows seeking to work with the libav* seeking. It doesn't address the fact that position maps aren't being pushed out to the player for H.264 LiveTV.

[02:25:36]

sphery:

"livetv shouldn't use libavformat's seeking but the behaviour described in the ticket matched what I saw with normal files without posmap"

[02:26:05]

sphery:

though whether we need to fix that for 0.22, I can't say :)

[02:26:15]

sphery:

now that it's "good enough", we may be able to defer it

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mzb:

iirc, there's a method of calling the internal player from an external script, right?

[02:27:00]

jpabq:

If this was *only* HD-PVR, I would partially blame the fact that we only see a keyframe every two seconds.

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[R]:

theres taht speical binary

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sphery:

mzb: there's mythavtest (which used to be called mythtv), but as it's (new) name implies, it's meant for use for testing

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sphery:

mzb: the better approach would likely be using the network control to start playback

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sphery:

don't know the commands, but they should be documented somewhere

[02:30:23]

mzb:

no, I want to be able to use the internal player to play a playlist (this is for my music videos)

[02:31:12]

mzb:

currently I have a custom command for the .pls, which generates the list at playtime and then plays it with mplayer or xine

[02:32:11]

mzb:

what I'd like to experiment with is using the internal player for each individual clip ... I know this sounds mad ... but the side effect would be that the py_wii would work (instead of having to use an X10 keyfob remote;))

[02:32:12]

pyther:

Is anyone using nuvexport?

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pyther:

I get Invalid value '-part' for option 'mv4' for dvix

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mzb:

and I can't use the network control socket because py_wii sits on it ;)

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mzb:

*and* afaik the internal player can't handle playlists ... right?

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mzb:

(the playlist is filled with 5 lots of the files found, each randomised)

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mzb:

might be easier just to modify py_wii to return key events rather than control through the network socket ;)

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sphery:

Yay!!! 6 hours later and I /finally/ found the ticket I was looking for: #7004 (Add new playback entry fails). Would have helped if the summary was a bit more clear.

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iamlindoro:

bout time

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sphery:

no joke

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sphery:

and to think I almost gave up when I found one that was kind of like what I was remembering (about 2 hrs ago)

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sphery:

I really should think of getting (a /very/ late) dinner, though.

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iamlindoro:

bout time

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iamlindoro:

;)

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jeffery:

I have a conflicts issue showing up in my mythweb. I have a Nova-T 500 dual tuner car and everything was working as expected until recently I had to re-tune the channels. Since then if I have two shows overlapping it lists the shows as "conflicting". I know for sure this only used to happen if three shows where overlapping. Does anyone know what settings are wrong for this to happen? Is there a quick fix I can make in the database

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jeffery:

this out?

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jeffery:

card*

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wagnerrp:

what does JAMU need imdbpy for? i thought it pulled everything from tmdb/ttvdb

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh

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sphery:

jeffery: sounds like your input connections configuration is broken. I'd fix it by Delete all video sources and Delete all capture cards. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: MythVideo still uses the IMDB#s for movies. imdbpy is superior for the list of movies to match against. Also much faster for searches. Once you select the IMDB# all interaction is with TMDB

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wagnerrp:

guess that means i should revert the changes to tmdb.py for the tmdb ids

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jeffery:

sphery: do I do this via the setup or manuall delete them from the database and start again?

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jeffery:

oops looks at link

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sphery:

jeffery: as described in the link (using mythtv-setup)

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sphery:

jeffery: direct DB editing is generally how it gets broken like you're seeing :)

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jeffery:

sphery: I already have gone through several such re-configuring vis mythtv-setup

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sphery:

(though it can happen through editing with mythtv-setup if you don't delete all)

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Cyber-Dogg:

howdy

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Cyber-Dogg:

I have 2 firewire STBs connected

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jeffery:

sphery: I will try again and report back.

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sphery:

well, if you misconfigure it each time, you'll get the same results

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Cyber-Dogg:

and they have worked fine for me for a while

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sphery:

so be /very/ careful when you're reconfiguring

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sphery:

and ask questions if you're not sure how to do sometihg

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jeffery:

sphery: what you mean by mis-configuring

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jeffery:

It is pretty straight forward setup

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sphery:

that's the thing...

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sphery:

could be any of a number of misconfigurations that cause it

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Cyber-Dogg:

and suddenly... yesterday... when trying to record with both boxes at the same time... one of the STBs will reboot

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sphery:

that's why delete all is easier than finding it

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Cyber-Dogg:

the only thing that changed was mythbuntu said "hey... you have updates"

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jeffery:

sphery: I have gone the delete all route and thats why I jumped on here to find out if something else is gone wrong

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Cyber-Dogg:

so i installed them

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[R]:

Cyber-Dogg: well what did you update?

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Cyber-Dogg:

if only I knew :-)

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wagnerrp:

i wonder how much of tmdb's load is CPU versus bandwidth

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Yes you will need to revert. I actually did the same revert for jamu before it was committed. I bet on the wrong horse making the 0.22 finish line.

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[R]:

you shan't be updating random stuff w/o knowing what it is

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Cyber-Dogg:

I did the windows thing... you know...

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[R]:

theres a log somewher ein /var

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: yeah, from what i understand, no one bothered to change it because the whole thing is going to get overhauled

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wagnerrp:

no sense making a change that really wont make any difference, and wont be around in the long term

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: yes new features are always a juggling act

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wagnerrp:

ugh! unicode, my arch nemesis

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oktiv:

USERS

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oktiv:

sorry, been a long day.

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[R]:

is that like DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS?

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oktiv:

DEVELOPERS, go forth and create magic

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[R]:

haha

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oktiv:

ok, my nightly question. can the on screen display during "paused" be hidden or a timeout set to it?

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sphery:

dance, monkey boy, dance...

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sphery:

oktiv: no timeout, hit ESC to hide

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oktiv:

cool!

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Steven_M:

I'm thinking of setting up an xbox as a mythtv frontend running gentoox. Has anyone here done that?

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wagnerrp:

laugh-a while you can, monkey-boy

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wagnerrp:

gentoox?

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wagnerrp:

some gentoo distro for the xbox?

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[R]:

its only the most EXTREME disto ever

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

hence the x

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sphery:

Steven_M: XBox is /very/ limited for a frontend

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wagnerrp:

anyway.... thats a world of fail

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wagnerrp:

!trout Steven_M failwhale

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** MythLogBot slaps Steven_M with a failwhale trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

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oktiv:

just like in OS X

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wagnerrp:

that just doesnt quite work

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wagnerrp:

!failwhale Steven_M

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Steven_M:

sphery: why?

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wagnerrp:

no processing capability, no memory

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sphery:

takes a ton of power (electricity) and isn't powerful enough (CPU and RAM) to be worthwhile

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sphery:

you'd be better off getting a nice (real) computer

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wagnerrp:

my 9yr old laptop is a more capable frontend

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Steven_M:

ok

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wagnerrp:

you should be able to dumpster dive for something far better than an xbox

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sphery:

you could get a /really/ good one for <$200

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gnarface:

just stay away from those kt133 chipsets

[03:25:07]

sphery:

and can go low-power (electricity)

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Wicked:

under 200 for everything?

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Wicked:

i priced out one a few months back it was like ~400

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wagnerrp:

Wicked: nvidia board for $70, AMD processor for $60, 2GB DDR2 for $30, cheapo case plus PSU for $40–50

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wagnerrp:

full system for ~200

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sphery:

Yeah... My newegg wishlist is for $150 (after $18 MIR). To that, add a case and a nice $40 80 PLUS PSU, and you've got a great frontend.

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blarney:

hi there, I'm using mythtv-0.22–0.2.svn.r20668.fc11.x86_64 on Fedora 11 and I'm getting hangs in mythfrontend when entering "Watch Recordings" anyone else seeing this? seems to be related to runaway commercial flagging jobs

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sphery:

(I have a wishlist because it's holding my stuff until the 45W dual core AMD procs come out on the 22)

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Steven_M:

see you all

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oktiv:

splurge and get a quiet PSU. IMO thoes chepo ones are too noisy

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Wicked:

ah yea. mine had intel over amd and was incuding case and everything

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wagnerrp:

blarney: go see the fedora packagers

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wagnerrp:

over here we have no such thing as mythtv 0.22

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sphery:

Wicked: yeah, and you probably looked at pretty cases, versus cheap/free shipping ones (I'm a frontend-in-another-room guy, myself)

[03:27:52]

blarney:

wagnerrp: right, it's an SVN snapshot obviously

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Wicked:

iirc a antec htpc case

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Wicked:

cant remember

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sphery:

pretty cases are expensive, Intel is expensive, so put together, you get about 2x the cost :)

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Wicked:

no fancy lcd's or anything.

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wagnerrp:

blarney: but a very old one

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wagnerrp:

like... a couple months old

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blarney:

wagnerrp: ok, I can build from SVN if necessary

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Wicked:

true. ive always been and intel guy for computers....but amd makes alot of sense for a htpc

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blarney:

wagnerrp: just wondering if this was a known issue, and if fixed, happy to update to a later version

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wagnerrp:

build from svn, if you still have the problem, then we can start trying to track it down

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blarney:

wagnerrp: related "Delete Recordings" goes to the "Watch Recordings" screen

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wagnerrp:

blarney: probably due to a broken theme

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blarney:

wagnerrp: all themes to the same thing, I checked the XML it uses the correct function

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wagnerrp:

what theme specifically

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blarney:

wagnerrp: every theme I tried, all the default ones

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wagnerrp:

with that old of svn, its very possible the 'delete recordings' page just doesnt exist

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wagnerrp:

i know terra didnt have it for a long time, and i dont think graphite existed back then

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oktiv:

thanks again all, have a great night. see ya wednesday night! ;)

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blarney:

wagnerrp: in /usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu/manage_recordings.xml have: <button> <type>TV_DELETE</type> <text>Delete Recordings</text>

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blarney:

wagnerrp: ok, probably time to update to trunk of SVN

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wagnerrp:

it may have the reference to it, but it could be unthemed

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blarney:

wagnerrp: I see

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wagnerrp:

although i seem to remember it popping up a box warning that the page was not themed

[03:33:15]

wagnerrp:

or something of that sort

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blarney:

wagnerrp: how can I kill jobs in the "Job Queue"? I tried" "Pause" and "Stop" but they don't disappear from the UI list, is this normal?

[03:34:02]

iamlindoro:

Pull the hard drive and bash it with a hammer

[03:34:04]

iamlindoro:

that should kill it

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wagnerrp:

jobs will remain in the queue for several hours after completion, or cancellation

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wagnerrp:

and will probably remain indefinitely if paused

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wagnerrp:

so you can see the status of the job

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blarney:

wagnerrp: ok, but I selected a job and it asked me "Delete Job", I said yes, but when I highlight it still says "Queued"

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wagnerrp:

you may have to back out of system information for that data to refresh

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blarney:

wagnerrp: ok, will try, also is there a log file location for mythfrontend events?

[03:38:38]

wagnerrp:

depends on how you started mythfrontend

[03:38:54]

blarney:

wagnerrp: /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log is for the backend

[03:39:01]

blarney:

wagnerrp: I start it using a .xsession

[03:39:10]

wagnerrp:

if you used '-l' or '>' when starting the frontend, there will be a log

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blarney:

wagnerrp: ah, I guess it puts them in ~/.xsession-errors if no log file is specified

[03:40:21]

wagnerrp:

no, it puts them on standard output and standard error

[03:40:33]

wagnerrp:

where ever those get piped to, thats where your logs are

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blarney:

wagnerrp: right, jobs started with .xsession have their logs piped to .xsession-error, that's what I'm saying

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wagnerrp:

no, they probably have their errors piped there

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blarney:

rather their stderr

[03:41:30]

blarney:

right

[03:41:34]

wagnerrp:

it is very possible the logs are lost to the void

[03:41:38]

blarney:

possibly not stdout

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blarney:

wagnerrp: anyway, getting a billion "[ac3 @ 0x3a26bb5300]frame sync error" there after the hang

[03:42:07]

purefusion:

is JFS still the recommendedfilesystem type for myth .22?

[03:42:18]

wagnerrp:

jfs, xfs, or ext3 with slow deleted

[03:42:20]

wagnerrp:

s

[03:42:31]

wagnerrp:

and that would be recommended for mythtv in general

[03:42:40]

wagnerrp:

rather than any not-yet-released versions

[03:42:49]

purefusion:

right, just making sure that hasnt changed

[03:43:17]

purefusion:

hense the word "still" ;)

[03:43:20]

wagnerrp:

the reasons for that recommendation havent changed

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wagnerrp:

and the new file systems are not yet considered stable enough for significant use

[03:43:52]

purefusion:

can os x and/or windows access xfs or jfs?

[03:43:55]

wagnerrp:

although i believe ubuntu 9.10 will use ext4

[03:44:03]

wagnerrp:

maybe, no

[03:44:18]

purefusion:

ext4 eh?

[03:44:51]

blarney:

wagnerrp: is there a .mythtvrc or equivalent where I can stash command-line options, rather than having to pass them directly?

[03:44:57]

purefusion:

how is that at deletion?

[03:45:12]

purefusion:

and how would I enable slow delete for ext3?

[03:45:22]

wagnerrp:

blarney: thats entirely dependent on how your distro decides to load mythfrontend

[03:45:28]

wagnerrp:

mythfrontend itself has no such ability

[03:45:46]

blarney:

wagnerrp: right, that's what I'm asking

[03:45:51]

wagnerrp:

purefusion: ext4... i dont know. and slow deletes are somewhere in the settings, but ive never used it

[03:46:57]

purefusion:

wagner, so what FS do you use?

[03:47:12]

wagnerrp:

zfs and jfs

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purefusion:

I will be using myth backend on a machine that I also use for business, so I need to make sure its as stable as possible

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blarney:

wagnerrp: ok, what seems to happen when I enter "Watch Recordings" and then mythfrontend hangs, is in the log is I get: "[mpeg2video @ 0x3a26bb5300]ac-tex damaged at 21 8"

[03:49:08]

wagnerrp:

that cannot happen on trunk

[03:49:13]

blarney:

wagnerrp: followed by a lot of similar messages

[03:49:34]

wagnerrp:

that means mythfrontend is trying to play back video in the preview window, and is hitting faults in the mpeg2 stream

[03:49:40]

blarney:

wagnerrp: ok, will update, and hopefully it will go away. can you briefly outline what's happening there?

[03:49:42]

blarney:

wagnerrp: ah

[03:49:44]

wagnerrp:

however the preview window does not exist in trunk

[03:49:58]

wagnerrp:

so that error can only occur on 0.21

[03:50:16]

blarney:

wagnerrp: or in early versions of svn

[03:50:19]

blarney:

after 0.21

[03:50:30]

blarney:

wagnerrp: is it replaced with something?

[03:50:41]

wagnerrp:

several thousand revisions ago, before the UI rewrite got started

[03:51:08]

wagnerrp:

i dont believe the video widget will make it into 0.22

[03:51:19]

blarney:

wagnerrp: ok, so if I upgrade to trunk, is there any gotchas or db updates I should be aware of?

[03:51:23]

purefusion:

wagner, so you use jfs for myth, and zfs for?

[03:51:26]

sphery:

Wicked: OK, so if I were buying today, it would be $216.95 for the complete frontend – https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWis . . . ?ID=12018412 (and, no, I'm not recommending that ECS/PCChips mobo to anyone else)

[03:51:26]

iamlindoro:

many, and many

[03:52:04]

wagnerrp:

jfs for the boot images, zfs for storage

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Wicked:

hmm that link dosnt work for me sphery

[03:53:16]

wagnerrp:

MySQLdb... why oh why are you sending me malformed utf-8

[03:53:22]

sphery:

hmmm... dont know how to get the link for the public wishlists

[03:53:55]

sphery:

Wicked: try https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/WishListMa . . . FromUrl=MSWL

[03:54:12]

gnarface:

wagnerrp: probably because your connection layer or the db tables are defaulting to try to convert it all to iso-8859–1?

[03:54:33]

Wicked:

hmm yea. that doesnt work either.

[03:55:19]

gnarface:

the server, the client and the tables themselves *all* have to be set to utf-8 before you start putting data in the tables if you don't want hysterical behavior

[03:55:36]

gnarface:

it helps that the original data can be trusted to also be utf8

[03:56:12]

gnarface:

whats the output you get when you type this at the mysql console: show variables like 'char%';

[03:56:34]

purefusion:

wagner, so zfs for mythtv then?

[03:56:39]

wagnerrp:

gnarface: the database is all set up properly, its the python client

[03:56:49]

wagnerrp:

purefusion: sure, but zfs is not safe for linux

[03:56:54]

wagnerrp:

so you hit a bit of an impasse

[03:57:04]

purefusion:

hmmm

[03:57:34]

purefusion:

why use two then? what's attractive about zfs?

[03:57:52]

purefusion:

vs using jfs or xfs? just curious

[03:57:55]

wagnerrp:

its not a file system

[03:58:19]

wagnerrp:

well... not only a file system

[03:58:24]

gnarface:

zfs == network transparency

[03:58:52]

gnarface:

xfs == basically any other journaling filesystem except its specially fast with very large files

[03:59:25]

wagnerrp:

zfs == file system, disk manager, volume manager, raid, snapshotting... all rolled into one system

[03:59:35]

gnarface:

kinda like the antithesis of reiserfs which performs abnormally well with small files

[04:00:06]

sphery:

so, like its wife?

[04:00:31]

gnarface:

xfs also deletes big files fast

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purefusion:

gnarface: xfs, you mean?

[04:00:48]

gnarface:

purefusion: yea i was speaking about xfs vs reiserfs

[04:00:52]

purefusion:

(re: antithesis)

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purefusion:

ok

[04:01:06]

purefusion:

and thoughts on jfs?

[04:01:12]

gnarface:

never had a need to try it

[04:01:14]

blarney:

wagnerrp: how recent is r21864 ?

[04:01:23]

purefusion:

ok

[04:01:33]

wagnerrp:

just an aged robust journalling file system

[04:01:40]

gnarface:

xfs has served all my multi-terabyte porn needs and reiserfs does webservers and desktops so well i hardly even bother with ext3 anymore even

[04:01:42]

purefusion:

how is xfs with small files?

[04:01:46]

wagnerrp:

blarney: maybe a month old

[04:01:52]

wagnerrp:

current is 22286

[04:02:02]

gnarface:

i think for small files its on par

[04:02:20]

gnarface:

one of reiserfs's big weaknesses though is that its very slow on delete of files above a few gigabytes in size

[04:02:21]

purefusion:

I will probably end up raiding four drives into a single raid0 stripe

[04:02:35]

wagnerrp:

purefusion: for... recordings?

[04:02:39]

purefusion:

not sure if that makes any difference

[04:02:59]

purefusion:

recordings and normal useage alike

[04:03:20]

wagnerrp:

recordings really like to be on independent spindles and file systems

[04:03:57]

wagnerrp:

and your OS and database must been on a separate file system, and should be on a different spindle, than your recordings

[04:04:00]

purefusion:

normal meaning development, web browsing, , etc

[04:04:33]

purefusion:

wagnerrp: even with a raid?

[04:04:36]

wagnerrp:

there is very little advantage to raid0 except high linear throughput

[04:05:41]

wagnerrp:

and if youre recording more than one thing at once, or recording while doing other tasks on the same array (because your system partition is on there as well), you are no longer linear

[04:05:42]

purefusion:

well hdd is the only bottlneck left on my system, and it seems to slow me down quite often

[04:06:03]

wagnerrp:

latency is a bottleneck

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wagnerrp:

linear throughput is not a significant bottleneck for most applications

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gnarface:

yea but raid COULD widen that bottleneck

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gnarface:

especially if there are a LOT of recordings/playbacks going on (like more than 20?)

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sphery:

purefusion: and likely it's not so much a HDD bottleneck, but a filesystem contention bottleneck

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wagnerrp:

raid0 will function FAR WORSE than independent drives for multiple recordings/playbacks

[04:07:23]

[R]:

is there seriosly that much good stuff on tv that one would be recording 20 things at once?

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sphery:

i.e. you need to spread out your filesystems better--which is exactly the opposite of what RAID does

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sphery:

= what wagnerrp said

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blarney:

wagnerrp: if I backup my old db in /var/lib/mysql/ , do I need to also backup mythconverg-1214–20090924033135.sql.gz in my recordings directory ?

[04:07:52]

sphery:

a day late and a dollar short, again

[04:08:08]

wagnerrp:

if you do a manual backup, you do not need the automatic backup

[04:08:21]

wagnerrp:

and wasnt there some issue with the automatic backups not working a couple months ago?

[04:08:23]

sphery:

blarney: using a binary backup of the DB is never recommended as it can fail on any mysql version differences

[04:08:38]

sphery:

blarney: so do a real backup--like the mythconverg-1214–20090924033135.sql.gz, only current'

[04:08:46]

sphery:

blarney: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

[04:09:36]

wagnerrp:

oh yeah, youre definately running 0.21 still

[04:09:56]

blarney:

wagnerrp: but my version is definitely post-0.21 release I believe

[04:09:59]

wagnerrp:

i have no idea where you came up with that version string you mentioned

[04:10:17]

wagnerrp:

youre running 0.21-fixes, but you mentioned some 0.22 versions string

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sphery:

blarney: 0.21-fixes is post 0.21 release, but still not trunk

[04:10:19]

blarney:

wagnerrp: j-rod the fedora package maintainer used that

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blarney:

wagnerrp: these were RPM Fusion packages in updates-testing

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wagnerrp:

thats fine, he only did that because the package manager cannot handle no version string

[04:10:50]

wagnerrp:

but you said you were running that version

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blarney:

wagnerrp: ok

[04:10:58]

wagnerrp:

and were having problems with that version

[04:10:59]

blarney:

wagnerrp: right that SVN string

[04:11:11]

wagnerrp:

but youre not running that version

[04:11:12]

blarney:

wagnerrp: ah, ok, I'm building the rawhide version

[04:11:19]

blarney:

wagnerrp: which version?

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wagnerrp:

that schema version 1214 means youre still running 0.21-fixes

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blarney:

wagnerrp: the full package name is mythtv-0.22–0.2.svn.r20668.fc11.x86_64

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wagnerrp:

anyway, you should really just wait until next week, and use the release version

[04:12:20]

blarney:

wagnerrp: I can't access my watch recordings because of that issue with the preview window

[04:12:38]

wagnerrp:

so turn off the live preview

[04:12:44]

wagnerrp:

and/or delete that recording

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blarney:

wagnerrp: ok will try that, don't want to delete the recording though :)

[04:13:20]

wagnerrp:

if you cannot play the recording, whats the point of keeping it?

[04:13:24]

blarney:

wagnerrp: I assume that is under setup somewhere

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blarney:

wagnerrp: oh, you're thinking the whole recording is messed, I hope not

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sphery:

wagnerrp: the 1214 was from a month ago and was done on a DB schema upgrade, so it's possible that he upgraded to trunk a month ago

[04:15:03]

wagnerrp:

sphery: that still wouldnt explain why hes having problems with the preview window

[04:15:17]

sphery:

ah, yeah, no live preview in trunk

[04:15:50]

sphery:

(you replied before I could finish typing, "Though I haven't been reading all of the conversation, so ignore me if my words make no sense.")

[04:16:15]

blarney:

wagnerrp: I assume turning off live preview is somewhere under "TV settings"?

[04:16:30]

wagnerrp:

dont know

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sphery:

Display live preview of recordings in Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback , several screens in

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sphery:

blarney: though you could get those errors from the preview generator

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sphery:

though they're non-fatal

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sphery:

meaning you may have a totally different issue

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wagnerrp:

sphery: wouldnt those show up in the backend log though?

[04:18:08]

sphery:

and what you think is the important part of the log isn't

[04:18:21]

sphery:

wagnerrp: not if the frontend is generating them

[04:18:32]

wagnerrp:

oh, thought the backend always did that

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sphery:

(it does so through the mythbackend binary, but runs it as a child of the frontend process, logging to the frontend log)

[04:19:18]

sphery:

blarney: really, though, you should run the following and tell us the SVN branch and revision: mythbackend --version

[04:19:20]

blarney:

wagnerrp: turning off live preview didn't help

[04:19:39]

blarney:

sphery: 0.22.20090424–2

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blarney:

that was the "library API"

[04:20:03]

sphery:

which is /not/ the branch and revision :)

[04:20:07]

wagnerrp:

so it is trunk, but its five months old, and improperly exported

[04:20:17]

sphery:

no library api version is meaningless

[04:20:25]

blarney:

MythTV Branch : trunk

[04:20:30]

sphery:

so it is trunk

[04:20:33]

blarney:

MythTV Version : Unknown

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wagnerrp:

and... improperly exported

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sphery:

and--as wagnerrp suggested--improperly exported

[04:21:01]

blarney:

blame j-rod ;)

[04:21:04]

wagnerrp:

what revision did you say the package was again?

[04:21:23]

blarney:

wagnerrp: svn.r20668

[04:21:46]

wagnerrp:

so thats early june

[04:21:53]

wagnerrp:

eech

[04:21:55]

blarney:

wagnerrp: it's been working for me fine for a couple of weeks

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sphery:

20668 is old

[04:22:26]

sphery:

you really need to update to current

[04:22:31]

wagnerrp:

but theres no point to running trunk if youre not keeping relatively up to date

[04:22:38]

wagnerrp:

and 4 months old is not up to date

[04:22:46]

sphery:

like, something from the last 90 minutes

[04:23:13]

sphery:

if that's not possible (because you're using packages), I hope the packagers get a new build of something from the last 90 minutes out soon

[04:24:05]

blarney:

sphery: so svn.r21864 would be too old?

[04:24:29]

blarney:

sphery: that's the version currently in rawhide (soon to be F-12)

[04:24:34]

sphery:

r22288 or better is good

[04:24:43]

blarney:

well, rpmfusion's rawhide

[04:24:50]

wagnerrp:

ooh... OOMs

[04:24:53]

blarney:

sphery: ok, do you have nightly tarballs?

[04:25:05]

sphery:

r21864 is better than what you have, though

[04:25:20]

iamlindoro:

We have secondly SVN checkouts

[04:25:22]

blarney:

sphery: or location where I could download the tarball? I can easily update the spec file and regenerate local packages

[04:25:42]

blarney:

sphery: I could then report a bug on rpmfusion and ask j-rod to update to it after testing

[04:25:43]

sphery:

speaking of which, jarod has been doing a lot of work on the spec file.

[04:26:03]

sphery:

no need for a bug

[04:26:16]

sphery:

he's in the process of working on the spec, presumably to update

[04:26:25]

sphery:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ is where it's available

[04:26:40]

wagnerrp:

so all this threading stuff murdock slaved over takes care of the 'illusion of speed'?

[04:26:41]

sphery:

including http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/packaging/rpm for the spec

[04:26:53]

blarney:

sphery: the spec file should be in rpmfusion cvs

[04:27:03]

iamlindoro:

All the threading stuff takes care of "actual speed"

[04:27:05]

blarney:

sphery: I guess he copies it across to there eventually

[04:27:22]

iamlindoro:

which can be further improved by using the delay trick in MythVideo to improve the perception of speed

[04:27:31]

sphery:

that may be...]

[04:27:36]

sphery:

I don't know RPM

[04:27:45]

sphery:

nor Fedora/RH

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wagnerrp:

well i mean the images still take just as long to load, they just load in the background

[04:28:01]

wagnerrp:

as opposed to blocking the UI

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iamlindoro:

correct

[04:28:16]

iamlindoro:

and load across multiple cores/threads

[04:28:21]

iamlindoro:

so there's raw speed there, too

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sphery:

especially on iamlindoro's supercomputer

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wagnerrp:

since youre loading and scaling half a dozen concurrently, instead of sequentially?

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iamlindoro:

right

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sphery:

except, of course, when Los Alamos National Lab is running some of their jobs on it

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iamlindoro:

which will vary by theme, of course

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blarney:

sphery: ok, assuming no mysql api jump, copying the /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg directory should be sufficient for a (temporary) backup to try out a new mythtv?

[04:32:10]

blarney:

sphery: I manually ran what I think is the problem file in mplayer, and is seems ok

[04:32:21]

sphery:

blarney: you're /always/ better off with a plain-text, portable-across-versions, usable for partial restores, etc. backup

[04:32:32]

sphery:

blarney: and it takes all of 10 seconds to do

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sphery:

echo "DBBackupDirectory=/home/mythtv" > ~/.mythtv/backuprc && /usr/share/mythtv/mythconverg_backup.pl

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blarney:

sphery: is ./mythconverg_backup.pl in the version I have?

[04:33:04]

sphery:

change dir and you're set

[04:33:10]

sphery:

blarney: yep, it's in trunk

[04:33:17]

sphery:

has been for a long time

[04:34:12]

** wagnerrp still loathes utf-8 **

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sphery:

since r17882, it seems

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sphery:

blarney: oh, and the echo "DBBackupDirectory=/home/mythtv" > ~/.mythtv/backuprc is a one time thing, too

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sphery:

so from then on, just run /usr/share/mythtv/mythconverg_backup.pl

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sphery:

and feel free to put it in a cron job or your init scripts or ...

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blarney:

sphery: ok mythconverg-1235–20091007003633.sql.gz created

[04:37:07]

sphery:

blarney: excellent, now you're ready for an upgrade

[04:37:15]

sphery:

for now, just try going to the latest packaged version

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sphery:

see if it helps

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blarney:

sphery: right that's what I'm doing (I have to recompile it for F-11 though)

[04:37:43]

blarney:

sphery: the latest version is only on rawhide/F-12

[04:38:11]

blarney:

sphery: where latest is "0.22–0.4.svn.r21864"

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blarney:

sphery: before j-rod probably merged his current spec file versions over

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blarney:

sphery: ok, build is almost done, new rpms being created now

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sphery:

good luck

[04:39:43]

blarney:

sphery: will report back

[04:40:06]

blarney:

sphery: does the new version automatically update the old database to the new format?

[04:40:15]

blarney:

is some manual step required?

[04:41:23]

sphery:

it automatically updates

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sphery:

it can take some time, though, so be patient

[04:41:33]

blarney:

k, thanks

[04:42:03]

blarney:

I assume I should first stop the mythbackend service and then restart that before running mythfrontend?

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sphery:

and start the master backend first (or mythtv-setup), then wait for it to upgrade before starting the rest of your progs/systems

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sphery:

yes, you'll need to restart mythbackend first

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blarney:

sphery: how can I get a plaintext download from trac via the web interface of http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/pack . . . /mythtv.spec ?

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sphery:

the bottom of the page Download in other formats:

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blarney:

in other systems such as viewsvn/viewcvs there's normally a "download"

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blarney:

sphery: doh!

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sphery:

yeah, very bottom

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sphery:

well hidden

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blarney:

indeed

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blarney:

sphery: j-rod's latest spec has r21953

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blarney:

sphery: if you can point me at the tarball of a more recent svn checkout I can attempt to change that and respin

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blarney:

(after this build gets done and tested)

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sphery:

go ahead and try what you've got first

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blarney:

will do

[04:49:43]

sphery:

that's still not into the range of instability that ended a couple hours ago

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blarney:

sphery: what was happening in that time?

[04:50:46]

sphery:

just some pretty major changes to the UI

[04:51:05]

sphery:

started rather small, but grew big

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blarney:

sphery: I see, so the version I'm using won't have those changes yet?

[04:51:10]

sphery:

nope

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blarney:

look forward to the new UI goodness once I get this sorted out :0

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sphery:

yeah, it's coming along nicely

[04:52:09]

sphery:

and--once again--looks like we might be on track for the release

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blarney:

sphery: is mythmusic improved/changed?

[04:52:38]

sphery:

not really

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sphery:

most of the changes to mythmusic will happen post 0.22

[04:53:00]

sphery:

the dev who wanted to work on it ended up doing way too much other stuff

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sphery:

(basically got stuck with a huge job no one else wanted)

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purserj:

I thought mythmusic was a huge job that no one else wanted

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sphery:

actually, that's probably true, too

[04:54:05]

sphery:

so, I guess he got stuck with 2 huge jobs no one else wanted

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blarney:

sphery: ok, about to install rpms

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blarney:

gah, have to rebuild myth-themes too

[05:01:37]

blarney:

sphery: can I just remove that package?

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sphery:

blarney: as far as compiling goes, myththemes takes about 5 seconds to compile

[05:04:22]

sphery:

I don't know about the packaging stuff

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blarney:

sphery: yeah, it's done

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sphery:

but if you remove it, you may need to change your theme

[05:04:58]

sphery:

It has Metallurgy and Graphite in it

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blarney:

installing now

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blarney:

sphery: I also run xbmc and switch between the 2, so I like to have a similar theme in both

[05:05:57]

blarney:

sphery: ok, installed, should I now restart mythbackend service?

[05:06:36]

sphery:

yeah

[05:06:49]

blarney:

sphery: do I need to go into mythtv-setup?

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blarney:

or can I just run the /etc/init.d/mythbackend ?

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sphery:

probably no

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sphery:

mythbackend will upgrade the DB for you

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blarney:

here goes

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blarney:

well it look 1/2 second

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sphery:

the only down side to skipping mythtv-setup is you won't find any new settings and set them the way you like

[05:07:56]

blarney:

sphery: but I can do that later right

[05:08:11]

sphery:

but that's not a big deal--and yeah, can always go through them later

[05:08:28]

dserban_:

lol, I'd take a crack at mythmusic :s

[05:08:47]

sphery:

gbee might take you up on that

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wagnerrp:

sphery: is it possible my database is still using latin-1?

[05:09:04]

wagnerrp:

i mean wouldnt that horribly break things with trunk?

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blarney:

sphery: ok on mythfrontend startup it asks me whether I want upgrade from 1016 -> 1017 schema

[05:09:32]

blarney:

sphery: so it seems that it does the db update on first run

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sphery:

wagnerrp: echo 'status;' | mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg

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sphery:

blarney: yep

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blarney:

sphery: hmm, it says "there are also other clients using this database, they should be shutdown first"

[05:10:15]

dserban_:

but first, I'd want to ... do stuff to mythgame, it needs a good script to update the metadata

[05:10:22]

wagnerrp:

db characterset is utf8, all else list as latin1

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blarney:

sphery: would that be mythbackend running?

[05:10:43]

sphery:

dserban_: that might be better--since no one has stepped up to do that, yet :)

[05:10:50]

dserban_:

only thing I'm ... a little annoyed about mythmusic with is that it doesn't let you rip cd's in the background like mythvideo does... o well, people only bitch, and never actually praise :)

[05:11:08]

sphery:

wagnerrp: that means that other stuff will get a latin1 connection, so there will be conversions occuring

[05:11:17]

dserban_:

so for all of you who read these logs later. Good job to all who've put blood sweat and tears into this project, it's a damned fine one.

[05:11:22]

sphery:

wagnerrp: there was a ticket for that for python bindings--dont' know if it was applied

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sphery:

blarney: it would be any other mythfrontend or mythbackend on your system

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sphery:

s/system/network

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wagnerrp:

im just trying to deal with utf-8 data in python, and i have to ".encode('latin-1')" anything to get it to display properly

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dserban_:

well i looked at mtd... went "omfg" and closed it :)

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wagnerrp:

while RDV_Linux seems to use utf-8 data just fine as it is

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blarney:

sphery: hmm, I stopped all the ones I can find (backend and frontend are the same machine)

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wagnerrp:

and considering everyone else seems to use the bindings fine as is

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sphery:

blarney: just go ahead with the upgrade

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wagnerrp:

i can only surmise something is screwed up on my end

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sphery:

then make sure you restart everything

[05:13:08]

wagnerrp:

so then... why is everything using latin-1

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gnarface:

*sigh*

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gnarface:

wagnerrp: i've debugged utf8 stuff in mysql a lot

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wagnerrp:

because putty is running latin-1

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wagnerrp:

damnit

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gnarface:

no thats not why

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blarney:

sphery: it seemed to have 2 steps: 1023-> 1028 after the first one

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gnarface:

please let me help

[05:14:04]

wagnerrp:

you can try

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wagnerrp:

i often consider myself beyond help

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sphery:

blarney: oh, that's a frontend/plugin upgrade (probably MythVideo)

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gnarface:

wagnerrp: paste me the output of: show variables like 'char%';

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blarney:

sphery: hooray, watch recordings works again! thank you!

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sphery:

blarney: enjoy

[05:15:43]

blarney:

sphery: I did get spurious lockups like this from time to time, but I could always manage to avoid them, hopefully this solved them for good

[05:15:45]

wagnerrp:

http://pastebin.ca/1600531

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blarney:

sphery: always when using "watch recordings"

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blarney:

sphery: hmm, "Delete Recordings" still goes to "Watch Recordings" page

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wagnerrp:

yeah, changing the character set in putty changed nothing

[05:17:03]

sphery:

wagnerrp: hmmm... already applied (which makes sense--otherwise, bindings shouldn't have worked on your config): http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6464

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iamlindoro:

blarney, as it's supposed to

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gnarface:

wagnerrp: thats never gonna work for you

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wagnerrp:

however, chaning putty to utf-8 made things print fine in python

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gnarface:

right

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sphery:

iamlindoro: was Delete Recordings removed?

[05:18:01]

gnarface:

but there are 3 variables to this wagnerrp

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blarney:

iamlindoro: how does one explicitly delete recordings then?

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gnarface:

not just two

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iamlindoro:

highlight a recording in Watch Recordings/Delete Recordings and press "D" or hit the menu and choose "delete"

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wagnerrp:

however the local xterm is still screwed up

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gnarface:

right

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sphery:

iamlindoro: makes sense, since Delete recordings had no functionality that Watch didn't

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wagnerrp:

and probably local terminal as well

[05:18:37]

iamlindoro:

yep

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wagnerrp:

so go on

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blarney:

sphery: still confusing from a UI point of view

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wagnerrp:

ill be quiet and listen

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sphery:

(and Delete actually had less functionality)

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gnarface:

ok so the first issue is you need mysql to default to utf8 at a system level. not just the tables

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gnarface:

so add these two lines to the [mysqld] section: character-set-server=utf8

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gnarface:

collation-server=utf8_unicode_ci

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gnarface:

and add this line to your [mysql] section:

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gnarface:

default-character-set=utf8

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sphery:

gnarface: if those matter, mythtv is broken

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gnarface:

sphery: my experience is basically everything is broken with regards to utf8, at least out of the box

[05:20:18]

sphery:

not in trunk

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wagnerrp:

what file would that be in

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gnarface:

/etc/mysql/my.cnf on debian

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I recommend not changing

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gnarface:

THEN you have to set the databases and tables to default to utf8

[05:21:02]

sphery:

wagnerrp: because if you make it work on your system like that but can't make it work with your current config, it will mean that the bindings won't work for 90% of users

[05:21:18]

sphery:

gnarface: /definitely/ do /not/ have to change the DB and table/column charset

[05:21:18]

gnarface:

THEN the client code in some cases will automatically pick utf8 over latin-1 (the mysql command-line binary does) and some clients will need utf-8 manually set (like the php client)

[05:21:21]

sphery:

you can /not/ do that

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sphery:

don't mess with the schema

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wagnerrp:

sphery: the thing is the bindings *already* work for the rest of you, they dont work for me

[05:21:52]

sphery:

gnarface: and the client code (connection) info is set with http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21051

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gnarface:

sphery: well the issue at hand here is that he's got his database and system set to utf8 but everything else is trying to convert it back to latin-1 automatically. i'm just trying to help him get everything utf-8 compliant

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sphery:

wagnerrp: your config is the same as mine

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sphery:

(mysql config, that is)

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gnarface:

sphery: verify that. paste the output of show variables like 'char%';

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gnarface:

and keep in mind that the some of those variables are system default and some will change depending on which client you're actually connecting with at the moment

[05:23:15]

blarney:

sphery: so "delete" doesn't appear to be an option in the context menu, how do I delete without a keyboard?

[05:23:18]

wagnerrp:

i still say its a terminal issue, rather than a sql one

[05:23:30]

gnarface:

wagnerrp: you ALSO have a terminal issue

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gnarface:

you need a unicode-compatible terminal

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wagnerrp:

sphery: open python, and run "print u'Pi\xf1ata'"

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gnarface:

wagnerrp: i've looked around and outside of os x they are rare. lately i've had good luck with rxvt-unicode (a debian package)

[05:24:06]

sphery:

gnarface: http://pastebin.ca/1600547

[05:24:31]

gnarface:

oh wow you two do have the same config basically

[05:24:33]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I'd agree with it's being a terminal issue

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gnarface:

with the exception of the character sets dir

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blarney:

sphery: hmm, only "D" on the keyboard works, "Delete" key doesn't work

[05:24:58]

gnarface:

wagnerrp: you're sure you have utf-8 locales installed in the first place right?

[05:25:21]

sphery:

blarney: if you want to use Delete key, bind it to the DELETE keybinding (which is what iamlindoro meant by DELETE)

[05:25:25]

wagnerrp:

locale lists 'en_US.UTF-8' for everything

[05:25:30]

gnarface:

wagnerrp: your problem might just be fixed by using a unicode-compatible terminal then

[05:25:41]

gnarface:

rxvt-unicode, aka urxvt is not bad

[05:25:43]

wagnerrp:

whether that is actually working, i have no idea

[05:25:52]

blarney:

sphery: why doesn't delete appear in the regular context menu?

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iamlindoro:

It does...

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gnarface:

the mac os X Terminal.app is also unicode happy, as far as i know *everything* else is not (even putty, last i checked)

[05:26:22]

sphery:

gnarface: the DB char set is /only/ used to set the default charset for new tables and the table charset is /only/ used to set the charset for new columns in tables (both unless otherwise specified in the CREATE/ALTER statement), so you should not change them

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wagnerrp:

print u'pi\xf1ata'... should work properly, but it doesnt

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blarney:

iamlindoro: I get "Recording List Menu" which has "Change Group Filter", "Change Group View" etc.

[05:26:45]

wagnerrp:

on my system... print 'pi\xf1ata'... looks proper

[05:26:59]

iamlindoro:

blarney, Then you are pressing the M and not I

[05:27:03]

iamlindoro:

wrong menu

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gnarface:

sphery: i know that but i don't necessarily agree with the "should not" part

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wagnerrp:

so if this is likely to be an issue with other users, the python bindings may as well account for it so that they print things properly

[05:27:46]

sphery:

gnarface: should not because it's not your schema--it's mythtv's and if you change anything about it, you will likely break DB upgrades

[05:28:03]

sphery:

gnarface: then I will have to spend many 10's of hours trying to fix the problem for the mythtv community

[05:28:14]

blarney:

iamlindoro: I see

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gnarface:

sphery: i understand your point but since for latin-1 unicode is a superset that is highly unlikely if unicode is the default instead

[05:28:43]

gnarface:

whereas if latin-1 is the default for everything you can't count on it doing the same courtesy towards utf-8

[05:29:01]

sphery:

(you have no idea how much time I've spent working on the fix for systems that were improperly configured or that users broke by messing with the character encoding because "UTF-8 doesn't work in Myth")

[05:29:29]

gnarface:

ok probably not

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gnarface:

but you don't know how long i've spent trying to get mysql to act like it actually knows what utf-8 is by default

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sphery:

well, feel free to change the DB charset or server charset, but don't touch the mythconverg ones (DB/table/column/...) :)

[05:30:13]

gnarface:

hey hey i'm not changin myth* anything at all

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sphery:

the goal, however, is to make 0.22 work properly regardless of the MySQL config

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gnarface:

i was just trying to get wagnerrp a unicode database setup

[05:30:35]

sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

the database is unicode

[05:30:48]

wagnerrp:

unicode just happens to not be the server default

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sphery:

I'm just a little touchy on the matter because I've wasted a ton of time on it, already :)

[05:31:01]

gnarface:

since its likely fine and its just his terminal converting results to latin-1 badly you have a simple fix, get a new terminal

[05:31:27]

sphery:

right, and since server default only applies to new databases that you create without specifying DB charset (which applies to new tables...)

[05:31:29]

wagnerrp:

well as mentioned, putty is fixed

[05:31:37]

wagnerrp:

and i can find a different terminal elsewhere

[05:31:51]

gnarface:

but keep in mind that every client you interface might set a different value for character_set_client, character_set_connection, character_set_results so they'll each have to be debugged individually

[05:31:52]

sphery:

meaning none of those matter--with the exception of the connection charset, but if it's specified--as it is in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21051

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wagnerrp:

running detached from the terminal should 'just work'?

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gnarface:

i was just trying to walk him through a setup that would minimize the chances a badly behaving client would pick latin-1 stupidly

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wagnerrp:

im just trying to get he python bindings

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wagnerrp:

working

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sphery:

right, but we're specifying that now in our connections (/because/ of the problems we had with 0.21-fixes and below that were due to users with different MySQL configs)

[05:32:32]

gnarface:

i haven't used the python mysql interface myself so i've got no idea if its well behaved

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wagnerrp:

and if necessary, i can force those on connection by the python bindings

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sphery:

wagnerrp: isn't that what http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21051 does?

[05:33:04]

gnarface:

you might have to request utf-8 manually with it. as long as the database tables and content were inserted as utf-8 you should have no problem

[05:33:25]

wagnerrp:

sphery: it should, yes

[05:33:54]

wagnerrp:

i saw some other thing where it was setting the specific values gnarface mentioned above

[05:34:05]

wagnerrp:

but i presume that was only because it was not set upon connection as in 21051

[05:34:10]

sphery:

got a test I can run to see what I get? (Though my terms may well be broken--I know my IRC client is.)

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gnarface:

in general when i need to make a *webpage* using mysql behave nicely in all cases i just force the default for everything, db, server, client, connection, results, even the http output to utf-8

[05:34:32]

wagnerrp:

print u'pi\xf1ata'

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wagnerrp:

in python

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sphery:

just type python and then enter that?

[05:34:56]

wagnerrp:

yep

[05:35:08]

sphery:

I get a pinata

[05:35:11]

sphery:

with a tilde

[05:35:17]

wagnerrp:

so its properly behaving

[05:35:18]

** sphery goes to eat all the candy **

[05:35:25]

sphery:

it doesn't in yours?

[05:35:31]

wagnerrp:

and everyone else's but mine seems to be properly behaving

[05:35:43]

** sphery blames Putty **

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gnarface:

wagnerrp: putty bites

[05:35:59]

gnarface:

its a good terminal "for windows"

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sphery:

is this a windows command prompt thing?

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wagnerrp:

which is why ive been beating my head on this for maybe 15 hours, between tonight, and other times ive tried dealing with it

[05:36:14]

sphery:

woah, bar code on google

[05:36:14]

wagnerrp:

(using windows)

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gnarface:

wagnerrp: buy a mac. unicode works out of the box :-p

[05:36:47]

wagnerrp:

however gnome-terminal on my laptop is broken

[05:36:53]

wagnerrp:

as is the framebuffer console

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sphery:

wagnerrp: echo -ne '\e%G\e[?47h\e%G\e[?47l'

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gnarface:

urxvt damnit!

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gnarface:

its the only thing i've run across thats properly behaved besides Terminal.app

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, framebuffer works fine, i just hadnt cycled my login after setting LANG

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gnarface:

makes sense

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wagnerrp:

ok, so problem... kinda fixed

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sphery:

wagnerrp: that would actually configure the remote console. but it looks like PuTTY has "Window > Translation > Received data assumed to be in which character set:", which you need to set to UTF-8

[05:38:36]

wagnerrp:

i can proceed to actually start debugging things again

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gnarface:

the biggest problem with utf-8 is just lack of support

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wagnerrp:

after this 4hr break from it

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yes, changed that, and it fixed putty

[05:39:08]

wagnerrp:

(after a logout/on)

[05:39:15]

sphery:

ahh

[05:39:16]

wagnerrp:

seems it doesnt take effect on the current session

[05:39:31]

sphery:

so which was the fix?

[05:39:33]

wagnerrp:

which means i have half a dozen terminal windows i should close

[05:39:39]

sphery:

the putty setting

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wagnerrp:

the fix was setting that setting in putty, and opening a new terminal

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sphery:

which you found long ago, but didn't restart the term... I see

[05:40:14]

sphery:

well, on the bright side, you learned something in that 4hr break--and you taught me something

[05:40:24]

sidh:

greetings everybody

[05:40:28]

sphery:

so it's like learning x2--meaning it's worth it! :)

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sphery:

greetings, sidh

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wagnerrp:

that UTF-8 is a ginormous consumer of time?

[05:40:47]

wagnerrp:

encodings FTL!

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sphery:

wagnerrp: up to 4x the storage, and at least 4x the time :)

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gnarface:

yea utf-8 is a waste of time. we should have just forced all those foreigners to use latin-1 :-p

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wagnerrp:

damn straight

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wagnerrp:

my industry is english worldwide

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wagnerrp:

why cant everyone elses be?

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sphery:

gnarface: latin-1, are you crazy? 7-bit ASCII, ftw!

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sidh:

i 'm at the end of configuring the different parts of my HTPC, (still the imon IR/vfd) , and i would like your opinion/feedback: is there a way to have DVB-T with great performance on a Linux platform (I use HAUPPAUGE Nova TD 500, and it is really unreliable)

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wagnerrp:

what are you going to do with that extra bit?

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sphery:

steganography

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gnarface:

haha who needs punctuation anyway!

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sphery:

sidh: I don't know DVB-T, but my ATSC system is extremely reliable

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sphery:

sidh: I would guess you're using EIT?

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gnarface:

is that a supported card?

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wagnerrp:

well at least X is run outside of ssh, so i didnt have to kill gvim

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sphery:

if so, there's a pretty good chance that EIT is causing the instablility

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sphery:

gnarface: all but one model of it is supported, and Hauppauge will replace the card on request for GNU/Linux users who got the wrong model

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sidh:

sphery: i live in France, and i don't know very wellwhat is EIT and if France broadcasting channels are compatible for

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sphery:

sidh: with that card, your best bet is probably to try asking again later in the European day when more people who might be using DVB-T are around

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gnarface:

sphery: they'll what? since when does hauppage give a shit about linux support? did something miraculous happen somewhere in the last few years?

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sphery:

sidh: EIT is the Event Information Tables--it's where they put the "On-air program guide."

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sphery:

gnarface: Hauppauge has always been good to GNU/Linux users as long as I've been using them (since Feb 2004).

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gnarface:

sphery: so in the last 5 years something miraculous happened

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iamlindoro:

sphery, using GNU/Linux users since 2004, eh? That's messed up.

[05:47:57]

sphery:

the hard part for them, though, is getting permission to release specs for parts they bought rather than designed themselves (i.e. chips on their boards)

[05:48:02]

** gnarface buys stock in hauppage **

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I make them do my work for me

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wagnerrp:

well thats not bad, 5 seconds to scan my entire video tree over storage groups, using the python bindings

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sphery:

wagnerrp: nice

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wagnerrp:

checking for the existence of some 3200 files

[05:49:12]

wagnerrp:

seems 3 of that was just pulling the list from mysql

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sphery:

nice

[05:51:55]

wagnerrp:

i could probably drop that a bit more if i wasnt pulling all the data from all those files (limitation of how the video class is set up)

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sidh:

ok i will ask later , but maybe there is better hardware for DVB-T, if hauppauge isn't a good choice, what brand/model is supposed to work very well with Linux

[05:52:14]

wagnerrp:

hdhomerun?

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wagnerrp:

of course im speaking from an ATSC user

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wagnerrp:

for all i know, the DVB-T version could have the same problems

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sphery:

sidh: yeah, I've heard some bad things about the Nova T 500, but I don't know what's considered a good card these days over there

[05:53:19]

sidh:

is the proprietary firmaware that sucks for Linux ?

[05:53:34]

sphery:

sidh: then again, it may just need an updated driver or something

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sidh:

wagnerrp: what is ATSC ?

[05:54:28]

wagnerrp:

our form of DVB-T

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sphery:

US digital TV broadcasts

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sphery:

sidh: if you are using EIT, you may also need to flip the "Open DVB cards on demand" and/or "Passive EIT collection" switches to get better stability

[05:55:59]

sphery:

(I don't know if that will help, but something worth mentioning when asking people who /do/ know what they're talking about when it comes to DVB-T/Nova T)

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sidh:

sphery: flip= tunrn on ?

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blarney:

sphery: where is the file that has the full list of keymaps available for lirc?

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sidh:

i will try now

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sidh:

blarney: /usr/share/local/lirc/remote iirc

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sphery:

sidh: flip = change (if it's on, turn it off; if it's off, turn it on)--also, the combination can be important with some cards (so you'll need to try with one on and on off, with both on, with one off and one on--or find someone with your card and see what works for them :)

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blarney:

sidh: nope

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sphery:

blarney: there really isn't one... Use MythControls (Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys or something like that) to find out what keys you have mapped

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sidh:

blarney: yesterday night i had searched in those directory for imon key map

[06:00:33]

blarney:

sphery: is there a button for jumping direct to Live TV?

[06:00:33]

sidh:

i should be mistaken

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sphery:

blarney: I should really say, "Myth doesn't have one"--it's quite possible your distro provided one where sidh mentioned

[06:02:17]

sphery:

though if you've edited keybindings, MythControls will always be up to date

[06:03:27]

blarney:

sphery: "JumpPoints" looks to be the ones I want

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sidh:

sphery: another (more funny this time), yesterday night when i tested DVB-T i had the CSI : Crime Scene Investigation serie movie, and i get it in Original Version whereas it should be in french

[06:04:23]

blarney:

sphery: so I need to first assign a key for "Live TV", then setup lirc to use that key?

[06:04:32]

sphery:

blarney: yep

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sphery:

blarney: or just stop using LiveTV :)

[06:04:39]

blarney:

how do I know if there's a conflict?

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wagnerrp:

did jumppoints ever get fixed?

[06:04:51]

sphery:

blarney: it does a pretty good job of telling you when you try to save it

[06:04:54]

blarney:

wife used to it

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wagnerrp:

last time i tried using them in trunk (near the beginning of the year) they didnt work properly

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sidh:

maybe ty broadcast the same movie in OV, but is it a diffenrent channel, or an option to flip ?

[06:05:09]

sphery:

wagnerrp: to some extent, at least (my Watch Recordings jump point works)

[06:05:27]

wagnerrp:

mainly, it was jumping out of plugins

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sidh:

s/ty/they

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wagnerrp:

jumping to anywhere just took you to the root of the plugin

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sphery:

sidh: if it recorded from a different channel, you'll have to fix your rule for it

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blarney:

hmm, function keys don't seem to work

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sphery:

sidh: it's also possible that you recorded it and it's playing the "wrong" audio channel--you can switch by hitting + (or using the on-screen menu, available by hitting MENU (usually M) while playing the recording).

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sphery:

blarney: they should

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sphery:

(they do in 0.21-fixes)

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sidh:

sphery: maybe i noticed while setting DVBT, the nfs directory for tv record was already big , whereas i never want to record tv

[06:08:20]

sidh:

i should make something wrong

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sphery:

blarney: they also work in trunk, but I can't guarantee that MythControls in trunk allows you to enter it

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wagnerrp:

lets see if file transfers are working, or if i broke that...

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sphery:

sidh: I'm not sure what you're asking

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sidh:

let's try all the option sphery gave, really thank you for giving hopewith that dvb-t card

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sphery:

sidh: best hope would be finding someone else who actually uses that card and asking them--I'm just guessing :)

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sidh:

sphery: i just said, i found some recorded tv programs, and i m' sure i never want to recordm, i always do the same way for zapping, with keyboard , i press up down arrows and then enter

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sidh:

for switching channels

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icemon:

Has anyone used a VIXS 2106-based capture card ( like the vixs puretv-u 48b0 ) successfully under Linux 2.6?

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sphery:

so you're asking why it has recorded the shows you just saw when you were changing channels?

[06:12:32]

wagnerrp:

i should probably choose a TS to test on...

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sphery:

sidh: it always records everything. LiveTV recordings are expired (deleted) the next day (by default)

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pat_:

SampleRate: Attempted to add a rate 32000 Hz, which is not in the list of allowed rates. <-- How do I determine what is in the list of allowable rates?

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sphery:

pat_: set your recording profile (or transcoding profile) to use 48kHz

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sphery:

it's what you want, anyway

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pat_:

ok

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pat_:

that's easy enough

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sphery:

sure is :)

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icemon:

also: is there a better channel to talk about capture cards? would video4linux be more helpful?

[06:15:42]

wagnerrp:

for analog framegrabbers

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sidh:

what!!! you mean if i watch 2 hours of tv program i get 2 hours of video file on my HDD ? ok next time i will let them on the nfs server to see if they are deleted the next day (as i didn't change the default)

[06:16:02]

wagnerrp:

if you want help setting up a tuner card, try #linuxtv

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icemon:

ok, thanks wagnerrp

[06:16:43]

sphery:

sidh: yep. If you don't want to record, MythTV isn't for you

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sphery:

there are some "LiveTV apps" out there, but I dont' know what they are

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sidh:

for me recording is an option, not a way of life ;)

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sidh:

but i can change my habits if reliability is there

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wagnerrp:

woo! no errors!

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wagnerrp:

now can i actually transfer data....

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blarney:

sphery, sidh: me-tv is one

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blarney:

for gnome

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wagnerrp:

file reading works

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wagnerrp:

lets see if it picks up the sockets for the images...

[06:25:58]

wagnerrp:

image transfer works

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wagnerrp:

lets see if i can write...

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wagnerrp:

file writing.... worked?

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wagnerrp:

it couldnt have just worked, that was too easy

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wagnerrp:

indeed it worked

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icemon:

you could have stumbled on something, how did you hold your mouth?

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wagnerrp:

so searches work, socket comms work, file transfers work, my utf-8 issues seem to have been fixed...

[06:41:57]

wagnerrp:

on to getting JAMU installed and tested

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sphery:

http://www.tv.com/is-it-time-to-start-the-dol . . . =news_list;1 :(

[06:43:16]

wagnerrp:

i thought that started running at the beginning of last season

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hachi:

my mythtv every so often ends up in a state where it keeps trying to connect to a database on localhost, and goes spinning and filling up logs because there is no mysql running on localhost

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sphery:

that may be

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hachi:

even though I have mysql.txt set with the right values

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hachi:

if I restart it, it might decide to connect correctly, or it might not

[06:44:05]

hachi:

any ideas on what could be causing this non-deterministic behavior?

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wagnerrp:

hachi: mysql.txt is only used if config.xml cannot be found

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sphery:

hachi: fix all mysql.txt files on your host (use locate or find to find them)

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wagnerrp:

chances are, your mysql.txt has been overwritten with the old bad values

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sphery:

and use config.xml instead

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wagnerrp:

or, its pulling the data from somewhere other than where you think

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hachi:

well, surprisingly enough I know it's pulling data from somewhere that I don't know

[06:45:27]

hachi:

so that last option isn't really possible

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wagnerrp:

looks like deletion is broken

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blarney:

is there any way to be able to redirect only the audio portion of playback to a mythfrontend running on my local laptop but keep the video on the main screen (which is where my main mythfrontend and mythbackend are running)?

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wagnerrp:

plenty of sound servers, take your pick

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wagnerrp:

i believe jack is supported, esound... i dont know, pulseaudio.. definately not

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hachi:

do I have a way to figure out where mythbackend is searching for config.xml apart from stracing it?

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hachi:

oh... maybe strings can do it faster

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sphery:

esound and arts work, jack probably has better support

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sphery:

though none are as well tested as local/ALSA/OSS playback

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wagnerrp:

hachi: that file will either be in ~/.mythtv/, or $MYTHCONFDIR/

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sphery:

hachi: config.xml is /always/ in $HOME/.mythtv/

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blarney:

sphery: not sure how you would set that up on my local laptop for the sound to come from the remote machine

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hachi:

I don't know MYTHCONFDIR's value

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sphery:

wagnerrp: shhh... MYTHCONFDIR is not for normal users

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wagnerrp:

check to see if your init and/or wrapper script is setting that value

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hachi:

ahh, ENV MYTHCONFDIR

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wagnerrp:

it may be redirecting to /etc/mythtv or something like that

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blarney:

sphery: I did use pulseaudio configuration to redirect the sound from the regular audio out into the HDMI cable into the back of the TV

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hachi:

I thought you meant it was a compiled in define

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sphery:

hachi: it's a development thing that you shouldn't be using, so it's the user who's running mythfrontend/mythbackend's HOME dir

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sphery:

$HOME/.mythtv

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hachi:

well, I don't have a config.xml anywhere

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wagnerrp:

sphery: oh? it should not be used by distros?

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hachi:

and I've only got two mysql.txt that are both correct

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hachi:

and if I restart the backend it still hits the wrong host (localhost) to connect

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sphery:

wagnerrp: generally, no

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sphery:

hachi: so make a config.xml and put it at $HOME/.mythtv

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sphery:

hachi: there's an example at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . l?format=txt

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hachi:

no dice

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hachi:

oh, I see the issue

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hachi:

the init script isn't killing the running one

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hachi:

I dunno what's up with that... I love the way it claims it succeeded when it didn't

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wagnerrp:

well now thats odd

[06:55:03]

wagnerrp:

oh... nevermind

[06:55:05]

wagnerrp:

no its not

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hachi:

no, you're right, it's not

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hachi:

dumb move on my part assuming the init script was working... should have checked to see if it was dying correctly first

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wagnerrp:

i was talking about something independent

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hachi:

ok

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wagnerrp:

i deleted a video, and then created a new one using a backup of the information

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wagnerrp:

but it recreated it at id 805, as opposed to following auto_increment to 3500something

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wagnerrp:

because i forcefully gave it the id to use

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wagnerrp:

i need to sanitize fields i allow this thing to set

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wagnerrp:

ok, on to JAMU

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sphery:

So in this week's American Dad, the kid was being facetious made a fake phone call, "Hello, SciFi channel. Could you guys rescheduler your Battlestar Galactica marathon this afternoon? Of course you can't." Notice he didn't say "SyFy." (Captions never lie.)

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sphery:

s/rescheduler/reschedule/

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sphery:

that extra r is a Myth habit

[07:01:09]

hachi:

can I get a user specified job to run before commercial flagging?

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hachi:

or do they already? I don't know

[07:02:15]

wagnerrp:

not automatically

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hachi:

:\

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wagnerrp:

you can however have your userjob call mythcommflag when it ends

[07:03:02]

hachi:

hmm, that could be sufficient

[07:03:19]

wagnerrp:

you could even have it insert a new line into jobqueue and make it a real job

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sphery:

better than direct DB manipulation, call mythcommflag --queue

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sphery:

(in 0.21-fixes or trunk)

[07:05:30]

wagnerrp:

ah, didnt know about that

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damnski:

so what are some good examples of using the "userjob?"

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wagnerrp:

whatever you might want to do with a recording

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wagnerrp:

move it to mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

move it to an external device

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wagnerrp:

transcode to some other format not supported by the internal transcoder

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Jobs

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damnski:

maybe myth2ipod?

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damnski:

+sphery: nice examples on the

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damnski:

I have been wondering how to kick off a transcode from the command-line...

[07:23:29]

damnski:

like when I am at work... I want to make a recording go to low-quality.

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damnski:

would I use nuvexport?

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jduggan:

yawn

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jduggan:

justinh, hey that flashforward was alright... seems like one of those that could either turn out great or awful

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jduggan:

i was the first two episodes last night

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jduggan:

watched*

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Dagmar:

I should check hulu

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Dagmar:

Last week, for some reason, they put Thursday's episode of Flash Forward up on Wednesday

[07:39:07]

Dagmar:

Well, not up yet at any rate

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pak0:

hi all people good morning

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pak0:

i followed the guide on the wiki and set all parameters, but with my dvb-t only can wacht one channel at once

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wagnerrp:

they also played it again on tv on Friday

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sidh:

is there owner of HAUPPAUGE Nova TD 500 DVD-T cards ?

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sidh:

DVB*

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sidh:

If someone owns a HAUPPAUGE NOVA TD 500 DVB-T card and can make it works with reliability, could you PLEASE tell me your set up of this device, I'll pay you with Belgian beers (the best ever in the world)

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beatbreak:

when will 0.22 be oficially released?

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beatbreak:

i'm sorry for my terrible english

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flexy:

beatbreak: when it's ready to be released, I think

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flexy:

I believe that they do not have set release times on myth

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justinh:

pak0: multirec depends on there being more than one channel per multiplex in your lineup. You can only use channels on the same multiplex if you have one tuner. So if you're recording one channel you can only watch another channel on that multiplex

[08:57:14]

flexy:

yeah, it works pretty well

[08:57:16]

justinh:

jduggan: yeah I hope they keep it up with FlashForward

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justinh:

channel Five finally proves it's of some worth at long last :P

[08:59:45]

flexy:

FlashForward?

[09:00:02]

justinh:

so I paid £5 to have items shipped next day del. from ebay & they've not been dispatched yet. Grumble

[09:00:38]

flexy:

it has nothing to do with FlashGordon?

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justinh:

flexy: yeah. series where everybody in the world loses consciousness for 2 minutes 17 secs. Most people catch a glimpse of 6 months into their future during that time

[09:01:14]

flexy:

oh, scifi

[09:01:40]

justinh:

not sure I'd call it scifi

[09:01:51]

flexy:

2mins 17 secs. lots of havoc during that time

[09:02:02]

justinh:

but no, FA to do with flash gordon. Thank God

[09:02:04]

flexy:

planes crashing, cars crashing, trains...

[09:02:28]

flexy:

lot of good sex interrupted

[09:02:34]

flexy:

some bad also

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justinh:

never had anyone fall asleep on me yet :P

[09:03:07]

justinh:

the key is not to talk about mythtv during

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flexy:

:)

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flexy:

:D

[09:03:22]

flexy:

or before

[09:03:26]

justinh:

lol yeah

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justinh:

or after

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flexy:

well, after it might be desireable :)

[09:04:16]

flexy:

don't have to talk about "feelings"

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justinh:

not if you want it again ;)

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justinh:

anyway.. FF has been very good so far. Two whole episodes

[09:05:00]

beatbreak:

someone tell me that new mythbuntu 9.10 needs Myth 0.22

[09:05:05]

flexy:

ok. how many did die during the blackout?

[09:05:13]

justinh:

flexy: probably a lot

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[09:05:22]

beatbreak:

so i can't use it until is released, i'm not hurry just for informations

[09:05:24]

flexy:

beatbreak: new mythbuntu 9.10 needs Myth 0.22

[09:05:42]

flexy:

so you can't use it until is released

[09:05:46]

justinh:

needs? It's planned to *have* 0.22 when it's ready

[09:05:46]

flexy:

happy now? :D

[09:06:08]

justinh:

no point releasing mythbuntu 9.10 til 0.22 is ready either though

[09:06:28]

beatbreak:

justinh, this what i think

[09:06:29]

justinh:

so you could call it a symbiotic relationship :P

[09:06:45]

beatbreak:

justinh, no release Mythbuntu until new myth, is stupid,. no?

[09:06:53]

justinh:

nope

[09:07:13]

justinh:

there'd be no POINT releasing a new mythbuntu without a new mythtv IMHO

[09:07:26]

flexy:

sound sane

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flexy:

sounds

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beatbreak:

justinh, this what i say

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justinh:

not saying that mythtv 0.22 will be delayed if mythbuntu is late though ;-)

[09:08:19]

flexy:

right.

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justinh:

but as yet no firm date has been set for 0.22. we generally hear about a firm release time a few hours before

[09:09:09]

flexy:

I was right! :D

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justinh:

it was intended to have it out 'by October' but we're now in October

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flexy:

about something!

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justinh:

flexy: the plan is to have a better release timescale in future AFAIK

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justinh:

both in terms of more frequent releases and on a timetable. no harm in aiming for that :)

[09:10:43]

flexy:

no, no harm.

[09:10:51]

justinh:

eew. new dr who logo is a bit crap. less crap than the last one

[09:10:57]

beatbreak:

it's a good project, it's worth implementing a release schedule

[09:12:02]

beatbreak:

actually i hope that eventually MythTV and XBMC start pushing eachother together, they would work great fused

[09:12:03]

flexy:

I actually have used stable releases until this summer. But 0.21-fixes had some glitches/bugs... can't remember anymore what they were, but anyway that was the reason I went for trunk

[09:12:05]

justinh:

heheheh the amount of UK people still catching up with rescanning their channels. Silly people

[09:12:12]

beatbreak:

atleast on a system... maybe not as fused projects

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justinh:

beatbreak: hell will have to freeze over first

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flexy:

the glitches changed to others... had to learn to take backtraces.

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justinh:

and FWIW pretty soon XBMC will offer NO advantages over mythfrontend in terms of looks

[09:14:40]

flexy:

I have not rescanned channels in ages... I have tried, but it resulted in needing a backup of db

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justinh:

smart people back up their DB on a regular basis

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flexy:

I have named the channels a little shorter than most are in dvb stream

[09:15:15]

flexy:

yeah, it's enabled

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flexy:

but when updating channels, there comes a bunch of double channels. the ones named sanely and the ones named by provider

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flexy:

for example, channel_name 24/7, cause they are online 24/7. or payperview_porn_channel 02–04. cause the only send at 02–04...

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beatbreak:

justinh, yes looks, new MythTV looks very good, but no as easy to use as XBMC

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flexy:

beatbreak: I believe that you can make a theme, which allows it to be easy to use. then again, I have no idea what XBMC is.

[09:18:13]

justinh:

I find XBMC *hard* to use

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flexy:

might be that it is controlled with thought

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flexy:

:)

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justinh:

menu navigation in that is a fricking nightmare

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beatbreak:

if i want to map a share it's easy, if i want to scan for DVD covers, is easy again

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beatbreak:

libarary mode is very beautiful in XBMC

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justinh:

meh

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justinh:

pretty soon there won't be any competition

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justinh:

as for mapping shares, that's up to your LINUX DISTRO to make easier

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flexy:

hmmm. I think my OS limited friend has had xbmc. so, I have seen it in use.

[09:20:49]

beatbreak:

maybe i don't explain so well

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justinh:

no I got the meaning pretty well

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justinh:

and mythtv has better metadata integration in trunk. Much better

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justinh:

all you're gonna do if you come in here bigging up another project is piss people off

[09:22:07]

flexy:

:D

[09:22:32]

flexy:

yeah, I've seen it couple of times in #debian...

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beatbreak:

i see, much pride in here, maybe i go now

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justinh:

yeah maybe you better had

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Dagmar:

You can write the Rendezvous bindings for it then.

[09:22:59]

flexy:

"windows does that so much better..." "then go ahead and install windows and leave us alone"

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Dagmar:

It would be the protocol to use.

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Dagmar:

Enjoy.

[09:23:21]

Dagmar:

This can actually be done with shell scripts.

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beatbreak:

i no use windows, is different point,

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justinh:

wonder how some other projects 'mount' shares on the fly

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beatbreak:

is two different things anyway, Myth is good for TV, XBMC good for movies. very easy to see

[09:25:45]

justinh:

bullshit

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beatbreak:

you no make a curse

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_ben:

Each to their own.

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justinh:

you come in here whining that 0.22 isn't here yet, then you whine that XBMC is better

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justinh:

bloody freetards

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flexy:

:D

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justinh:

and everybody seems to overlook the fact that for ages 'some other media players' blatantly IGNORED the usage conditions of websites they scrape for metadata

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justinh:

which might have been the only reason mythtv didn't totally integrate it

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justinh:

even TMDB which replaced IMDB is under a really heavy strain right now so even that can't be relied on til a solution is found

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flexy:

usage conditions?

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justinh:

yeah. IMDB forbids scraping. Has done since amazon took over AFAIK

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flexy:

ok, so only interactive browsing

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justinh:

but 'some other projects' carried on ignoring that. That isn't the only time other projects have turned a blind eye to legality either

[09:36:29]

flexy:

well, such is life.

[09:37:30]

justinh:

and while it might be a great dream to see your two favourite projects come together & collaborate there's one BIG factor you need to take into account. Egos :)

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flexy:

that might be pretty difficult

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justinh:

yeah hey btw we're merging projects. You know all that work you did on $feature? Yeah well we don't need it anymore. Seeya

[09:42:23]

flexy:

:D

[09:43:12]

flexy:

and then the needed work to actually merge the code. naah, not worth it, I think

[09:44:11]

flexy:

better to just rip the idea of $feature and make it to $the_project

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justinh:

but if you're a naive freetard, it's dead easy!

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simonckenyon:

sidh: i have a td-500 and it works (for some value of works) – we use mpeg4 here and the signal is sporadic (test transmissions only) – i just use the latest svn (or is it hg, i forrget)

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motd2k:

justinh, you love bringing this up, so i'd like to point out that the 'other media player' you refer to defaults to TMDB, and has for ages

[10:04:50]

motd2k:

perhaps you could remove this from your little book of bitches at some point

[10:05:28]

justinh:

whatever

[10:05:50]

justinh:

I'm sick of people coming in here singing the praises of other projects and making no valid contribution to mythtv

[10:07:17]

motd2k:

no one is doing that, he very specifically said that myth is good at what it does, and it is

[10:08:40]

justinh:

no he said myth is good at TV stuff & sucks at everything else, basically

[10:09:48]

motd2k:

well its all opinions, i think you'll not find many people that say myth is bad at TV, and since thats the core audience you should be pleased

[10:10:26]

motd2k:

the new skins look very nice btw, just calm down a bit with the public dissing, its not productive :)

[10:10:43]

justinh:

I really don't care

[10:11:19]

justinh:

I care enough not to mention names because I know you lot are watching but beyond that...

[10:12:49]

justinh:

I've actually given 'other projects' a good chance, tried them out for a while. I was more than disappointed, almost to the point of being motivated enough to file bugs

[10:13:24]

justinh:

I just haven't experienced what all these people making comparisons are talking about

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motd2k:

i dunno, i wouldnt say it was that bad – theres always room for improvement though

[10:15:36]

justinh:

course there is

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justinh:

just boils by pee when people slate this project without every lifting a frickin finger for it

[10:16:08]

justinh:

s/every/ever

[10:16:19]

justinh:

just the nature of OSS, whatever. I know but it sucks

[10:16:32]

sid3windr:

:)

[10:16:37]

sid3windr:

myth rocks.

[10:16:43]

sid3windr:

*once you get it to work*

[10:16:50]

sid3windr:

which is a large problem for many

[10:17:11]

justinh:

there've been times when if $other app had just two of the features I use in mythtv a lot, I'd have jumped

[10:18:02]

justinh:

arbitrary skipping is a big one. VERY important when you don't live in a country where commercial flagging is reliable

[10:19:15]

motd2k:

if you're talking about XBMC, that's been fixed for about 2 months, fixed that one myself – was just a UI label thing

[10:20:36]

justinh:

like type a number and skip X minutes either way? thought it was absolute or bust

[10:20:46]

motd2k:

anyway, your channel – not here to aggravate you lot, or to advertise... just thought i'd speak up this time to point out that were not as bad as perhaps you sometimes make out

[10:21:11]

motd2k:

no, press a number on the remote and you'll get a dialogue allowing you to type any value

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justinh:

oh that worked fine, just the thing seemed only to want to do absolute jumps

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motd2k:

ah i see what you mean – press 5 and skip 5 minutes?

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justinh:

and I did do my homework. couldn't find anything that told me otherwise

[10:22:24]

justinh:

yeah

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justinh:

or 5 right arrow. or whatever

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GreyFoxx:

I use that all the time

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sid3windr:

I never heard of that before =)

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motd2k:

i think up arrow is 1 min jumps

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justinh:

could be more useful in some cases than being able to skip to an absolute time was my thinking

[10:23:01]

sid3windr:

but it sounds quite useful.

[10:23:23]

justinh:

sid3windr: it's an absolute essential in my house

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sid3windr:

=)

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justinh:

motd2k: aye but 2 button presses is better than four ;-)

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motd2k:

indeed

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justinh:

next time anybody dares make a comparison I'll put them on ignore & leave them there. Saves my pee from boiling and interproject relations being damaged

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sid3windr:

I wonder how it smells over there

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justinh:

I dunno why the F I feel so bloody strongly about it. I really shouldn't give a damn either way

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sid3windr:

boiling pee makes for awfully smelling steam I think

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justinh:

would be better just to kick this irc habit

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justinh:

might try hypnotherapy in the new year :P

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justinh:

anyway the guy did have a point. it's always sad when talent is spread so thinly in the OSS world. And all for 'choice'. Meh

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Dagmar:

maxell

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simonckenyon:

would there be interest in a myth user group conference/meeting/whatever?

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justinh:

depends where you have it

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justinh:

not london. certainly not ****ing Wolverhampton ;)

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simonckenyon:

i suppose it boils down to somewhere in yuurp or somewhere in the you ess

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justinh:

we've talked about this before but I honestly don't think enough people's hearts are in it

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simonckenyon:

perhaps as a sideshow to an open source conference

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justinh:

it was hard enough getting people to help out at linux expos in the past

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justinh:

simonckenyon: there are no OSS events in the UK bar lugradiolive

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simonckenyon:

i realise that – but there does seem to be a large number of lusers

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[10:47:05]

justinh:

got a few grand to spare to hire a venue? ;-)

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simonckenyon:

as for OSS events – the UKUUG do one – and then there is USENIX

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justinh:

do they? they must go out of their way to stay off the radar

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simonckenyon:

money is not the issue – done this sort of thing before

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simonckenyon:

of course – it did nearly cost me my job – i spent so much time organising it

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justinh:

heh spring 2010 UKUUG comes to mancyland

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simonckenyon:

there you go

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justinh:

I've looked for UK linuxy events before using terms like 'UK linux expo'

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justinh:

and failed on those kind of terms

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simonckenyon:

try usenix/ukuug/euug/europen

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justinh:

only finding linuxworld's old website

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justinh:

yeah but searching on EVENT doesn't bring up their events ;-)

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justinh:

no use if you don't know those things exist ;)

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simonckenyon:

i help found ukuug – so can ask – if there was interest – hence my original question

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justinh:

I coordinated the last UK linux expo appearance of mythtv AFAIK

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motd2k:

linuxtag was fun this year

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justinh:

first time I was approached by LRL. Next was linuxworld, then LRL again. No more LRL though

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motd2k:

in Berlin

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justinh:

I enjoy exhibiting.. ahem

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justinh:

apart from the odd one.. there's always one person

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motd2k:

I met one of your guys on the ffmpeg stand, can recall their names though

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motd2k:

*cant

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justinh:

there was talk of mythtv peeps going to linuxtag. I wasn't invited to. can't possibly think why

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motd2k:

cos you'd cause a riot with us?

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motd2k:

hehe

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motd2k:

'theres justinh --- GET HIM!'

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justinh:

nah I'm nice in real life, honest

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motd2k:

just playing :-) was a good event, bit bad with the euro rate at the moment, but cheap as chips to get there at least

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justinh:

it's always 'fun' meeting the people whose opening gambit is "WHY DOES MYTHTV SUCK"

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sid3windr:

the eur/gbp rate is rather excellent at the moment

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sid3windr:

:>

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justinh:

once the urge to punch them subsides..

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sid3windr:

"because you suck"

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sid3windr:

:]

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justinh:

people bring bugs too. without evidence. they're funny

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simonckenyon:

so anyway – i'll make a few enquiries and see what happens

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justinh:

the best part is always the after-show though IMHO

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simonckenyon:

i was thinking more of a conference and not a trade show

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motd2k:

sid3windr: depends which way you're going – guess that'd be a good reason to have the event in the UK

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simonckenyon:

where is the centre of gravity of the luser community – same question for the developers

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justinh:

if only the UK was a more desirable place to visit ;)

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sid3windr:

hehe

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motd2k:

buuut... Blackpool!

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justinh:

then again if people's first look at the UK wasn't london maybe they'd all get a better impression of the place

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justinh:

lol

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sid3windr:

arriving with the eurostar could be fun though ;)

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simonckenyon:

cue "lock stock"

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** motd2k is unfortunate enough to live 4 miles from Blackpool **

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justinh:

of all the linux expos I've been to, linuxworld was far & away the best even neglecting the trade show aspect

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justinh:

it also smelled the least

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jduggan_:

i rarely go these days, i find the ppl attending are a bunch of douchebags ;P

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justinh:

def. think a conference is the way to go though

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Dibblah:

Nothing wrong with London.

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Dibblah:

Oh, wait – wrong way round.

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justinh:

whether it be BoF sessions, debates.. rather than just people gathering around a machine on a stand

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Dibblah:

Nothing right with London.

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justinh:

Dibblah: it's big! it's unfriendly! it's the capital!

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Dibblah:

Eye contact? That's reserved for wierdos and perverts.

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justinh:

I can't spend more than a couple of days there without wanting to run back home

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justinh:

Dibblah: and people about to rob you

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Dibblah:

About? You were lucky, then.

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justinh:

remember paying £110 a night for this 'hotel' at Earls Court. I thhink there was a typo

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justinh:

they meant to say HOVEL

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jduggan_:

heh

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justinh:

it was october & in the room it was about minus three

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justinh:

only time I've ever got in from a night out & put more clothes on to go to bed

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sid3windr:

lol

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sid3windr:

I just looked up hovel

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sid3windr:

==)

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justinh:

then there was the case of the disappearing developer. less I say about that the better

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Dibblah:

Somehow, my GF found somewhere to stay in London for £35 / night.

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justinh:

LRL last time was just plain scary. Their gong-a-thong effort. Planet WTF

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Dibblah:

And they actually woke up in the morning.

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simonckenyon:

i've asked the ukuug advisory group the question – let's see what happens

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justinh:

Dibblah: £35 a night? christ on a bike

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justinh:

youth hostel?

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justinh:

or just HOSTEL ? ;-)

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Dibblah:

I have no idea :)

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justinh:

then again there's a nifty hotel bidding site where you name your own price – and if they accept your offer it's a booking

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justinh:

might've been one of those

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justinh:

somebody I know stayed in a Malmaison for £40 a night through one of them kind of things

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justinh:

ooo my ebay things are here. postmark says 02.10.09. First class my ass

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justinh:

apparently there have been mail strikes lately. how did I miss that bit of news?

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Dibblah:

Malmaison?

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Dibblah:

Bad house?

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simonckenyon:

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flexy:

you get a call girl for that price?

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flexy:

implies it, because ex. VAT :D

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ahughes^:

hi guys, can someone recommend a motherboard with onboard GPU for me that will do 1080x1920 happily :)

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ahughes^:

prefer AMD CPU too

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fmor5:

whats here ?

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Dibblah:

Oooh. A stalker.

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Dibblah:

ahughes^: I'd recommend Intel Core2, personally, with nvidia 8400.

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ahughes^:

is a bigger number better with nvidia?

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Dibblah:

Not always, no.

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Dibblah:

xyyy x=series, y=card

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simonckenyon:

the last mb i bought was an Asus M3N78-EM – i assume it will do full hd – but have not tried

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fmor5:

4 mb agp video with 1.5 gb DD ram

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Dibblah:

Until you get to the GTX2??

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fmor5:

gb ram

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Dibblah:

Where NVidia just makes life wierd again.

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fmor5:

or 1750 mb videoram with 128 mb ram

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Dibblah:

fmor5: Once again, I think you're confused as to the purpose of this channel.

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fmor5:

ps3 video

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Dibblah:

No.

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fmor5:

myth tV

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fmor5:

channel

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ahughes^:

Mwaahahaha I can't get onboard 8400 :'(

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ahughes^:

it's whey late here... my head hurts. Tomorrow I will find a motherboard :D

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justinh:

warrington is a frickin crap hole. only tyre place I could find you had to pay to park there. my spare will have to do til I get home

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justinh:

and now I've checked the web, I virtually passed two on the way back to work. damnit

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jduggan_:

hey there are mobile tyre fitters

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jduggan_:

useful

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jduggan_:

ive used them before

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jduggan_:

:)

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jduggan_:

come to your work and do it

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jduggan_:

and its not really much more

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justinh:

I have a 'warranty' on my tyres which means I get free puncture repairs

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justinh:

they'll prolly try to weasel their way out of it, if I know kwikfit

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justinh:

I used a mobile fitter before. got back of holiday to find 3 flats, 1 of which was the spare

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jduggan_:

jesus

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jduggan_:

how unfortunate

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justinh:

yeah took a long time to work out what the problem really was. turned out that the coating on the inside of the alloys was crumbling off

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justinh:

2 hours later after grinding off all the crap, the tyres stayed up :)

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justinh:

never had a flat after that

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justinh:

sod it. don't fancy going on the motorway limited to 50mph :)

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justinh:

stupid space savers

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justinh:

ouch. £23. the price of convenience

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justinh:

or £15 cash. Wish I'd gone to a cashpoint now

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justinh:

didn't think anyone still did 'cash' deals lol

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** chainsawbike once had a nail in one of his tyres – it stayed up for a few months then i just gave it a boot every week or so after that till i could be bothered trying to coax the spare out of its rusty holder **

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chainsawbike:

s/boot/boost

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justinh:

no choice. this bugger was completely flat

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chainsawbike:

:(

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justinh:

heh we used to be almost swimming in digikey catalogues here. now I can't find a single one

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justinh:

duh, now after coffee I realise why I'd failed to find out about UKUUG. Linux!

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Juhser1:

hello can you tell me witch kernel ubuntu 9.04 hase?

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damnski:

$uname -a

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damnski:

Linux ubuntu 2.6.28-15-generic #52-Ubuntu SMP Wed Sep 9 10:49:34 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux

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justinh:

try in #ubuntu

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damnski:

I had problems burning MPEG2 TV files from myth .20 with mytharchive. Has anyone had good luck with burning MPEG2 stuff in .21?

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justinh:

can't say I've ever really tried. mytharchive isn't very ME friendly

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justinh:

AFAIK some DVB recordings still throw it off course

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justinh:

but it should be better overall in 0.21 than it was in 0.20

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justinh:

with 0.22 just around the corner...

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damnski:

ah, I need to upgrade.

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justinh:

rofl: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/07/cage_fighting_trannies/

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sidh:

simonckenyon: still there ?

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simonckenyon:

still here – just working

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simonckenyon:

how can i help?

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sidh:

simonckenyon: have you paste /edit somewhere the way you configure your hauppauge ?

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simonckenyon:

let me have a look – the machine is at home – i'll ssh into it

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sidh:

i use the mythbuntu 8.10 for OS , what is yours ?

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simonckenyon:

gentoo – just checked – running 2.6.28-gentoo-r5 and hg tip of v4l-dvb from june 23rd of thereabouts – so not very recent

[14:04:46]

simonckenyon:

problem with these precanned distros is that you get a snapshop at a point in time – the td-500 may or may not have been working at the time the release was made – i would suggest you build your own kernel and same for the dvb drivers

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sircolin:

for the nova t 500 dib0700–1.10.fw firmware works for me

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_ben:

1.20.fw is broken

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_ben:

i had to stick with 1.10.fw

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sidh:

[ 7.324906] dvb-usb: downloading firmware from file 'dvb-usb-dib0700–1.20.fw'

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sidh:

oh SH.T!!!!

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sircolin:

I have compiled my webcam drivers now and have my webcam as v4l:/dev/video0 in with my capture cards is there any way to display this as another tv channel ?

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sidh:

simonckenyon: what is you version of dvb-usb-dib ?

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sidh:

i mean the firmware

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tank-man:

sircolin, have you tried adding it in mythtv-setup ?

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tank-man:

or you trying to confirm first?

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sircolin:

it's in the capture card list just fine

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sircolin:

just don't know what to do next

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tank-man:

I think you need to make a listing thing (1 channel) and link it to that

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sircolin:

I thought I need to add a source for it but there seems to be no options there

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tank-man:

create a new video source and link it to that webcam

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simonckenyon:

i think i use 1.20

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simonckenyon:

yep – dvb-usb: downloading firmware from file 'dvb-usb-dib0700–1.20.fw'

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tank-man:

why not go all the way and setup zoneminder with that webcam :)

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sircolin:

great idea is it in apt-get repos

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tank-man:

no idea

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Essobi:

WEEEEEE! I SAID WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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mag0o:

heh

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** iamlindoro reloads **

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justinh:

tyre all fixed up :)

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simonckenyon:

so we can all breath again :-)

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simonckenyon:

actually, a pint would be better right now

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justinh:

pint with 'e' chaser?

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justinh:

it's the done thing in my neck of the woods according to the telly

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justinh:

PAR..EH

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simonckenyon:

coke is the poison de jour around here – but not for me – guinness or a nice marlborough sauvingnon blanc

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bobbob1016:

I managed to get my media server to show up on my AT&T Uverse boxes with mediashare with uShare. However, I can't get any media to play. Mediatomb doesn't show up, I think it is because uShare is meant to go to an Xbox 360, anyone have any luck with getting uShare to transcode to a 360?

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Heh, good timing, just had to get four new tires myself yesterday-- that put a dent in this paycheck

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squidly:

iamlindoro: they always put a big dent in the paycheck :(

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justinh:

I only ever buy midrange tyres

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squidly:

all you really need for the most part

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iamlindoro:

squidly, Doesn't help that in the past two weeks I've also replaced the ignition switch, the primary 125A fuse, the fan belt idler, and the ABS module

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justinh:

even so that can work out at 200 quid for the whole car

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squidly:

iamlindoro: sounds like my old kida

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justinh:

iamlindoro: you want one of them old cars with solid tyres & no electrics :P

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iamlindoro:

It was due for a bunch of stuff, and the faulty ignition switch burnt out two of the above

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squidly:

ouch!

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squidly:

but like I said that sounds like my old kia

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justinh:

heh you'd think that in an environment as electrically hostile as a car, they'd beef up the electronics a bit. not the case

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iamlindoro:

so I fixed the ABS and fuse, which led to the discovery of the ignition switch issue, which led to my decision that 50,000 miles was enough on these tires

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squidly:

lol

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iamlindoro:

anyway, worktime

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justinh:

my car's knocking on for 100,000 miles now

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squidly:

my car is comeing close to 75k. But it's a toyota. That can last for a LONG time!

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justinh:

cars do last well these days

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justinh:

not like the British made rustbuckets of old

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Shadow__X:

cars should easily pass 100k miles

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justinh:

timing belt due for replacement at 120k :)

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Shadow__X:

somehwere between 150k and 200k is where you start having to do major work

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Shadow__X:

yeah most most things arent bad to replace

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justinh:

mine is. put the car up, remove half the engine

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Shadow__X:

what kind of car

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sircolin:

can I chown a whole hard drive to mythtv

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justinh:

don't think in terms of drives

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justinh:

think in terms of partitions mounted to paths

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justinh:

Shadow__X: peugeot 206

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sircolin:

thanks I just chown -ed the folders all seems well now

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justinh:

Shadow__X: put it this way I'll leave that kind of stuff to the dealer. no use me buying all the kit I need & there are expensive mistakes to make

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Shadow__X:

justinh: yeah i gotcha some cars are just a pain to work on and your better off

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justinh:

then if it fails down the line I at least have comeback :D

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Shadow__X:

yeah

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justinh:

no telling how upset I'd be if I wrecked my engine & it was my own fault. LOL

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justinh:

as much as I hate handing money over to grease gimps

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Shadow__X:

yeah that makes sense

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sircolin:

justinh , tank-man thanks for all your help yesterday and today

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justinh:

I was helpful on a day whose name ends in the letter Y ?

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justinh:

eew. femon is reporting constant BER on all my tuners

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justinh:

never used to

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justinh:

check the coax time methinks

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sidh:

i have (great) sound while playing video, but no sound while watching TV

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sidh:

how is it possible ?

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unklemyth:

Hello all, I've got trouble passing the channels.conf to mythtv. Im using DVB-C (card: TT C-1501) and mythtv 0.21. I can tune the card using the channels.conf and czap just fine, mplayer also takes the input, but myth seems to get confused by the channels.conf

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unklemyth:

It adds some channels in the first TS, but then it times out and gets mismatching TSIDs :-/ ...does anyone know how to get past this ? Right now im trying to hack the dtv_multiplex and channel tables in mythconverg but it takes forever using dvbsnoop to find the right chanid and so on.

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unklemyth:

I realise that my cable-provider probably messed up the PATs and TSIDs, but is there some way to have myth handle it like czap and mplayer/xine ?

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unklemyth:

I've found a few posts stating that feeding myth with a czap-formatted file should work well. Its even linked in the wiki, but it seems to me that myth has a few hickups when DVB-data isnt strict about the correct IDs (among other)

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tmkt:

anyone know of a solution to the SQL error from installing mythexport on v0.22?

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unklemyth:

if anyone could give me some pointers it would be appreciated highly :) It might be a small tweak in the format of the channels.conf, but im having a hard time decoding the information in channels.conf and comparing it with dvbsnoop-info

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simonckenyon:

make sure you have the "right" format channels.conf. there is the VDR one (which doesn't work – i believe)

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unklemyth:

is there a way to recognize the formats ?

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unklemyth:

I've read a little about this "vdr"-stuff but i cant find any switches in czap

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simonckenyon:

there is a switch to scan to generate the different format

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unklemyth:

oh, youre right, I see this: -p for vdr output format: dump provider name

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simonckenyon:

hope that helps

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simonckenyon:

got to go

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unklemyth:

and this: -e N VDR version, default 2 for VDR-1.2.x ANYTHING ELSE GIVES NONZERO IT and TID Vdr version 1.3.x and up implies -p.

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unklemyth:

my TI's are not zero though

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unklemyth:

but looking through the switches yet again, maybe this is actually it:

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unklemyth:

-P do not use ATSC PSIP tables for scanning

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unklemyth:

(but only PAT and PMT) (applies for ATSC only)

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unklemyth:

I'll give it a try, – thanks for your attention :)

[16:19:34]

sidh:

ok i found this strange behaviour

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sidh:

for having sound on TV, i have to choose /dev/surround51, and for having video sound , i have to choose /dev/dsp1, in the set up menu

[16:20:32]

sidh:

why ?

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sidh:

why isn'it possible to use the same ouput for both tv and video ?

[16:22:03]

sidh:

is quite boring to change that settings each time ...

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sidh:

*it

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sidh:

does someone have an idea to fix that

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: im going to push the python rewrite off to 0.23, when there are supposed to be internal structure changes that would break all the existing stuff anyway

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wagnerrp:

were there any existing issues you know of that should get fixed before release?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: none that I am aware of

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iamlindoro:

though I'd like to see the patch you have been working on go in (not the rewrite, but the other one)

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wagnerrp:

6885

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iamlindoro:

Think kormoc is your huckleberry for that one

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iamlindoro:

but if we get close enough and he hasn't gotten to it, I'll ping

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wagnerrp:

ok, will run through that and make sure i dont see any issues with it

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wagnerrp:

other than that, do you know what Captain_Murdoch has planned for the recording/video merger?

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iamlindoro:

no, haven't talked to him about it in a few weeks

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AndrewNC:

wagnerrp: rdv_linux suggested I ask you about the scope of the mythvideo python binding, is it strictly meant for db access functionality only, or would it be the place to add a mechanism to access the frontend via the control interface to call a mv function on the frontend?

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abongile:

I have a mythbuntu installation 9.04. The IP address changes and causes the system to fallover i.e. no livetv on frontend and remote frontends cannot connect UPnP doesn't work. Is the any advice how to sort this out. Currently I run ifconfig get the IP address insert it into the front end and on /ect/fstab. How do I make the IP address persitent. PS Kudos to gbee and xris.

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meshe_:

abongile: set a static ip

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wagnerrp:

AndrewNC: what exactly do you mean?

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meshe_:

oh, sorry, you asked how...

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meshe_:

you can try to do it in Netowrk Manager by editing the connection

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wagnerrp:

at the moment, MythVideo.py just has functions for managing mythvideo through the database and the backend socket

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wagnerrp:

i dont really know what you would accomplish through the frontend

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meshe_:

but you may just be better off to remove Network Manager in a myth box

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_abbenormal:

try this sudo nano -w /etc/network/interfaces

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wagnerrp:

although MythTV.py has a frontend interface, capable of doing whatever the frontend socket allows

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AndrewNC:

wagnerrp: one good example would be calling the "scan for changes" functionality

[16:44:31]

AndrewNC:

would something like that be suited for the mythtv.py or the mythvideo.py?

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wagnerrp:

calling the 'scan for changes' routines in the frontend is something that should not exist at all

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iamlindoro:

AndrewNC: Working on a python scan invocation is a dead duck, with any luck scanning will all be automated, realtime, and done by the backend in .23

[16:45:36]

wagnerrp:

it would either be something reimplemented entirely in the bindings

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meshe_:

abongile: you will want your /etc/network/interfaces file to look like this (change the ip's to the ones that match your network) : http://pastebin.ca/1601806

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wagnerrp:

or a backend socket call, if that functionality ever got exposed

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wagnerrp:

which reminds me, i should pull the frontend socket changes back over to 6885

[16:47:35]

wagnerrp:

i cleaned up a number of the issues i had with it

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jduggan:

hey, so whats the options for getting a modeline on a tv that you have no technical specifications for, other than knowing native is 1366x768

[16:49:57]

jduggan:

its a ~5year old tv

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abongile:

So I just edit /etc/network/interfaces to match http://pastebin.ca/1601806, I get a blank page or does not load.

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jduggan:

ive tried modelines for similar models that dont work and also tried adjusting the stupid edid returned `valid` modelines

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AndrewNC:

so, merits of that specific example aside, something of that nature (frontend mechanisms) would be a binding callable from the frontend control interface?

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wagnerrp:

meshe_: apparently you can just check off 'usable by everyone' in network manager, and it will connect on boot, rather than waiting for the X interface

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meshe_:

abongile: your ip information has to be put into there, but it should like like what i posted

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abongile:

meshe: So I just edit /etc/network/interfaces to match http://pastebin.ca/1601806, I get a blank page or does not load.

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wagnerrp:

AndrewNC: hardly

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wagnerrp:

i mean in theory, you could trigger a jump point, and then a series of keypresses to issue a rescan

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meshe_:

abongile: what gives you a blank page, the link or /etc/network/interfaces?

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wagnerrp:

but that just seems very dirty

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AndrewNC:

wagnerrp: I'm just trying to understand the model/theory

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ctpaterson:

jduggan: some TV's are lying sacks of dirt when it comes to EDID...I've used gtf to get the modeline for my LCD.

[16:52:19]

AndrewNC:

yeah, that would be very ugly

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wagnerrp:

and with next to no checking on the current state of the frontend, would be very error prone

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meshe_:

wagnerrp: cool, i gave up on NetworkManager at 9.04

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jduggan:

ctpaterson, i also used gtf, i get a blank display

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jduggan:

ctpaterson, although i can vnc and see something, its starting X fine, the tv just wont show it

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abongile:

meshe: The pastebin link (http://pastebin.ca/1601806) I get blank page.

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meshe_:

it works fine for me

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wagnerrp:

i mean you can 'query location', but that doesnt give you anything more than the current screen youre viewing

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ctpaterson:

jduggan: any chance it's a TV-side config issue? I wrestled with my xorg for a couple of days before realizing the TV has it's own rez settings, and they were mismatched.

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jduggan:

ctpaterson, its a pretty old/dumb lcd, i'll check but am doubtful

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wagnerrp:

and as mentioned, if you want to that that externally, the only proper way to do that is re-implement it like JAMU has done

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ctpaterson:

jduggan: There's an alternative to gtf...just trying to find it...if I see, I'll post. Otherwise, I'm not sure what else to suggest.

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wagnerrp:

or somehow figure out a way to expose code to the backend socket

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sidh:

ok i think i have found the problem , as i was getting problem with atching tv, i've been advised to install kaffeine to test

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sidh:

but it seems kaffeine comes with pulse

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sidh:

and whan i lauch a movie with mplayer from a console ,

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sidh:

i have this error : [pulse] failed to connect to server internal error

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wagnerrp:

yeah... pulse is going to continue being a growing problem with mythtv

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meshe:

abongile: i usually don't google for people, but: http://www.itech7.com/Linux/ubuntu-904jaunty- . . . or-static-ip

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sidh:

so what do i have to do

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sidh:

do i have to unsintall kaffeine ?

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wagnerrp:

build your own copy of kaffeine that uses ALSA, instead of pulse

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abongile:

meshe: Thank you, I am a newbie, I was trying to pastebin.com and seeing I can find the link. following the link,,,,

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wagnerrp:

or see if theres some command line or UI settings that will change that

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meshe:

abongile: make sure that your system is up to date too, Netowrk Manager had a version in 9.04 that would ignore the /etc/network/interfaces file

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abongile:

meshe: It is up to date but will run apt-get update and upt-get upgrade before making changes to /etc/network/interfaces.

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meshe:

abongile: I'm not sure when it happened, but at some point Network Manager quit ignoring my interfaces file, this was after lots of frustration and eventually ripping it out of my install, I had to put it back for ease-of-vpn use

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purefusion:

anyone tried ext4 with myth?

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wagnerrp:

its generally considered not ready for mainstream use

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purefusion:

what potential issues might occur?

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wagnerrp:

although its been marked stable for 9 months now

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wagnerrp:

there were some possible data loss issues with it

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wagnerrp:

although that may have just been because it did not sync on a regular interval like ext3

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wagnerrp:

ah, its an issue with delayed allocation and crashing

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wagnerrp:

when you replace a file, it may delete the old one immediately, but then several seconds to minutes before writing the new one

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wagnerrp:

basically, its handling of a crash is poor

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wagnerrp:

but then so is XFSs

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abongile:

meshe: There are somethings I do not understand in the file, particularly from: /etc/resolv.conf and declaring name servers, /etc/rc.conf, what does it mean so I understand what to leave as is i.e. my group: 255.255.255.255, and what I should change.

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purefusion:

eek

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wagnerrp:

you group should NOT be 255.255.255.255

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AndrewNC:

anyone familiar with alsa happen to know if the "limits" value displayed by amixer corresponds to resolution/granularity of a volume control? google is useless on the subject

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wagnerrp:

unless directly attached to the internet

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abongile:

wagnerrp: It is connected to the internet.

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abongile:

wagnerrp: I thought I need this subnet so that other PC's on my network can interact with it

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meshe:

abongile: nameservers are set in /etc/resolv.conf and do not go into /etc/network/interfaces

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wagnerrp:

no, i mean directly, your computer itself has a routable internet IP

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wagnerrp:

and even then, you still probably shouldnt have a mask of \0

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abongile:

wagnerrp: No, I have DSL router, and switch to which all gear include this machine is connected to.

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wagnerrp:

a switch? not a router?

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meshe:

i can't even think of a case where 255.255.255.255 would do anyone any good

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wagnerrp:

and your dsl modem is operating in bridged mode?

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abongile:

wagnerrp: what is a mask \0, How would know if it is so or not?

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wagnerrp:

what is your IP?

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purefusion:

heh, I can't decide what fs to use :S

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sidh:

wagnerrp: i tried the mplayer with -ao alsa file.avi and i still have no sound even if i didn't get the pluse error, but what is amazing, is that i can playy music and watching tv with sound OK

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wagnerrp:

the IP your computer is using right now

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meshe:

255.255.255.255 is \0

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meshe:

er

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abongile:

wagnerrp: My IP is: 192.168.1.XXX

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meshe:

isn't it \32 ?

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wagnerrp:

a broadcast of 255.255.255.255 means you talk directly to everyone

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meshe:

abongile: then your netmask is 255.255.255.0

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sidh:

meshe: no it is /32

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wagnerrp:

unless your subnet mask is 255.255.255.255, in which case your nuts, and just talking to yourself

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abongile:

meshe: Sorry that is correct

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sidh:

but i think in IOS language it is /0

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** meshe has some more coffee **

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wagnerrp:

so your subnet is 192.168.1.0, youre using a generic router and NAT

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wagnerrp:

the IP listed in resolv.conf does not have to be in your local subnet

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wagnerrp:

and probably shouldnt be, unless your router runs a caching DNS server

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abongile:

wagnerrp: I don't know what a generic router and NAT and no 192.168.1.XX (it changes) is my IP address.

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wagnerrp:

your subnet is 192.168.1.0

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wagnerrp:

you can speak to all computers in your subnet

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wagnerrp:

meaning from 192.168.1.1–192.168.1.254

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wagnerrp:

255 is left as broadcast

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wagnerrp:

a changing IP is fine if you have a single mythtv box

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wagnerrp:

but if you have multiple machines running mythtv, you will need to set their IPs statically

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wagnerrp:

either in linux, or on the router through DHCP

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abongile:

wagnerrp: I think I understand. wish I was in front of mybox to effect this guidance. I have one main mythtvbox, four remote frontends and one slave backend/frontend.

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wagnerrp:

likely, your router hands out addresses above 100, and uses 1 for itself

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wagnerrp:

so you need to set your mythtv boxes to static IPs in the 2–99 range

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wagnerrp:

backends need to be set to static IPs

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wagnerrp:

frontends dont really care

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wagnerrp:

and your sql server needs to be on a static ip, or a resolvable name

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abongile:

wagnerrp: resolvable name? Since I have been connecting my remote frontends with the name of the box does that mean I should expect to find the name of my mthtv box in /etc/resolv.conf?

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wagnerrp:

resolv.conf only tells linux where the DNS server is

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wagnerrp:

you would already know this if you were running your own DNS server and had resolvable names

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abongile:

wagnerrp: my sql server on the main mythtv box and assume there's be another in the slave backend/frontend.

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wagnerrp:

one sql server for all of a myth installation

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brad2:

hi guys

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wagnerrp:

mythtv finds itself through the sql server

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wagnerrp:

so if youre running multiple servers

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wagnerrp:

you have multiple detached mythtv systems

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abongile:

wagnerrp: So no then, I am not running a DNS does this fact have any implications for editing the /etc/network/interfaces file.

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meshe:

hmmm, wagnerrp you just gave me an idea for backing up my myth database

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meshe:

I think i'm going to set up replication to a remote frontend

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea what this /etc/network/interfaces file is, so i cant help you there

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wagnerrp:

youll have to ask someone who understands your specific distro

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wagnerrp:

meshe: i intend to have some userjob for managing remote frontends out in a week or so

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wagnerrp:

assuming you can move a hard drive in between it and your master system

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oobe:

abongile, /etc/network/interfaces is ubuntu based i use it to set my ips statically i can pastebin some of the for you if you like

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meshe:

wagnerrp: what sort of management?

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pyther:

What can I use to convert my recordings to avi or mkv?

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oobe:

nuvexport

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wagnerrp:

meshe: you have a web interface to select content to have accessible on the remote frontend

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wagnerrp:

you drop in a hard drive, hit 'sync', wait minutes to hours, and drop the hard drive into the remote

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justinh:

weird. backend had fallen over but since I restarted it, no longer seeing BER with femon. Very strange

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pyther:

oobe, nuvexport fails on me all the time :-|

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meshe:

wagnerrp: ahhhh, you mean a fe that's not going to be connected to your local myth network

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wagnerrp:

correct

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justinh:

pyther: hard lines then :)

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oobe:

pyther are you using trunk or 21

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meshe:

i was thinking replication just for backup ie: having a full working copy of the db on another machine

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justinh:

he's probably not got ffmpeg with mp3 encoding support enabled

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pyther:

Erm not sure

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pyther:

I get: 31/03,20:54 [21022] ERROR Skipping /media/MythTV//1279_20090331184900.mpg. Problem with 1st video pass of 2.

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pyther:

and I can't seem to find anything useful in the logs

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oobe:

pyther try nuvexport --transcode or nuvexport --mencoder

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pyther:

ahh ok, that err was actually from a different script

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pyther:

I'll see what transcode does, ffmpeg always fails

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oobe:

both work fine for me but i prefer transcode for better qaulity rips but mencoder is faster

[17:51:31]

pyther:

I read though that ffmpeg is faster than transcode or mencoder

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oobe:

possibly

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oobe:

i havent tried it

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oobe:

i cant tell you what the qaulity is like of ffmpeg but i suspect transcode is better

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oobe:

faster usually means worse quality

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pyther:

ahh okay

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justinh:

ffmpeg output quality is utterly dependent on the parameters used

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wagnerrp:

they all use the same libraries, its all just the settings you give it

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gbee:

watched first two SG:Universe eps last night, disappointed by the tired old plot devices such as the _one_ man who actually has family ( that we meet) sacrifices himself to save everyone else (cue scenes of a hysterical daughter begging him not to do it)

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justinh:

like with ANY encoder

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wagnerrp:

gbee: come on... he had to die

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justinh:

oh dear. MoreThan insurance, you fail. Changed my bank details with them, got quote for car insurance while I was on. they'll only do 3rd party cover, for more than my current firm charges for fully comp. Must be why they're called MORE THAN

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gbee:

could have lifted that scene from a couple of dozen films/series, though the one which immediately came to mind was Armageddon

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sphery:

What? Liv Tyler is in SGU?

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iamlindoro:

gbee: And sadly, it's still head and shoulders above the rest of SG I've seen

[17:54:23]

gbee:

then they teased with killing off the millitary leader in the first episode (just as they did with SG Atlantis)

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wagnerrp:

they didnt kill off the military lead

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gbee:

they didn't, but just as in the first episode of SGA he was badly injured and a subordinate was put in charge – just felt that was a little too lazy

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justinh:

so anyway – how about that – femon reporting high (but different) BER constantly for all my tuners, then I got home to find the backend wasn't running. restarted it & femon reports fantastic signal. Any ideas? I'm very intruiged

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justinh:

chipset lockup-ish you reckon?

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pyther:

Is there a good windows frontend for mythtv?

[17:57:16]

justinh:

no

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justinh:

apart from mythfrontend. which you have to make yourself

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gbee:

don't get me wrong, SG:U has a lot more going for it than SG:A, it just didn't quite meet my expectations and a lot more contributed to that than the two examples I just gave

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justinh:

and can only be from trunk ^^^^

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pyther:

Ok, I'll just use nvuexport so my dad can watch them on his windows box

[17:58:10]

meshe:

pyther: you can share the files on the network

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justinh:

mythrename --link is what you need

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meshe:

even wmp will pick up myth's upnp and see the recordings

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meshe:

(in vista and up only)

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justinh:

you'll be lucky if it doesn't wipe the backend out in the process though

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oobe:

pyther, mythtvplayer

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wagnerrp:

meshe: was about to mention that

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pyther:

oobe, I tried that but it seems to be unresponsive

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justinh:

mythtvplayer is a player not a frontend

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, nero showtime has upnp support

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wagnerrp:

and there is a upnp plugin available for VLC

[17:59:29]

gbee:

so far the story feels like a mashup of Lost in Space, Quantum Leap and Stargate SG1

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justinh:

just use mythrename --link & SAMBA :)

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oobe:

yea but all he wants to do is let his had watch recordings

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justinh:

wagnerrp: a freebie plugin for VLC?

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gbee:

yeah yeah, nothing is really original

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wagnerrp:

gbee: youre right, i didnt even think of quantum leap

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justinh:

are ANY scifi ideas truly original? ;)

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wagnerrp:

justinh: there is some cyberlink plugin for vlc that does upnp

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if its free or not

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wagnerrp:

ive never actually managed to find any information about it

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gbee:

well that element was only hinted at in the last 5 minutes of the second episode

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iamlindoro:

Unpopular though I suspect it will be, my favorite *new* show this season is still "Glee"

[18:00:47]

justinh:

cyberlink... prolly not free then

[18:00:52]

iamlindoro:

unpopular amongst you folks, that is

[18:01:02]

gbee:

haven't even heard of it

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jams:

iamlindoro- it's pretty good

[18:01:12]

justinh:

couldn't give a rats ass what you lot like tv-wise on the whole ;)

[18:01:14]

gbee:

looking forward to Generation Kill tonight

[18:01:22]

jams:

didn't think I would like it, but it caught my attention

[18:01:22]

oobe:

justinh, mythrename.pl plus samba is a pretty good idea

[18:01:26]

wagnerrp:

i thought the 'cyberlink upnp library' was something completely unrelated to Cyberlink and/or PowerDVD

[18:01:34]

justinh:

how can anybody possibly have good taste being a fan of SG, Lost et al? :-P

[18:01:37]

gbee:

but only because of The Wire connection

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jduggan:

gbee, crazy, i just set it to record

[18:01:48]

iamlindoro:

jams: Yeah... it's ending up different than I thought it would be, and I admit to liking the musical portions :)

[18:01:48]

meshe:

iamlindoro: i've watched the first 2 eps and myth is set to record the rest

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justinh:

wagnerrp: I dunno, you brought it up

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gbee:

jduggan: I no longer have my PVR-150 installed (no room) so I couldn't record it

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wagnerrp:

i mean mythtv uses the cyberlink upnp libraries

[18:02:24]

iamlindoro:

meshe: last week's episode was my favorite since the pilot, hoping for more like that

[18:02:30]

gbee:

or you meant Generation Kill?

[18:02:38]

wagnerrp:

BSD licensed code

[18:02:42]

meshe:

iamlindoro: i'm a couple eps behind right now

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jduggan:

gbee, generation kill

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justinh:

wagnerrp: ahh. it's all in the name

[18:02:55]

justinh:

not actually Cyberlink inc ;-)

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jduggan:

i have four recordings this evening, true blood on c4, secret millionaire and criminal justice on bbc hd

[18:03:16]

jduggan:

(+generation kill)

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wagnerrp:

seems its actually cybergarage.org

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justinh:

talk about effing confusing naming decision

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CyberKnet:

indeed

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gbee:

iamlindoro: Glee is something to do with Glee clubs or whatever they are called in the US? If so I don't see that one translating very well over here

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Yes, it's by Ryan Murphy, who created Nip/Tuck (don't know if you guys got that one)

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justinh:

glee clubs – like Rotary clubs or the WI we have here? :-P

[18:04:30]

justinh:

iamlindoro: yes, but only on Sly

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iamlindoro:

Glee club = show choir

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justinh:

:-O

[18:04:55]

iamlindoro:

But the premise is deceptive-- it's really not a "high school drama" show

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justinh:

we gave them here actually

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justinh:

and they're called glee clubs. one of my uncles was in one

[18:05:20]

iamlindoro:

It's a drama drama, with musical elements, and it's very well written and acted

[18:05:24]

justinh:

s/gave/have

[18:05:43]

justinh:

so it's kinda like HSM meets West Wing? :D

[18:05:47]

iamlindoro:

And particularly well sung (with a huge variety of music-- musicals, rap, R&B, etc)

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gbee:

iamlindoro: we got Nip/Tuck, but I never watched it

[18:06:11]

iamlindoro:

They got a bunch of very good broadway actors rather than casting a bunch of big names

[18:06:19]

justinh:

I dunno. I might find myself turning if I start not smashing the TV when a song & dance number comes on

[18:06:58]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, it clearly wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea

[18:06:59]

gbee:

justinh: really? Never heard the term until it was mentioned in US tv imports and I used to be in a couple of choirs as a kid ...

[18:07:01]

justinh:

if it comes over here on the POOR TV network I might give it a try

[18:07:11]

CyberKnet:

I hate the "let's make a musical episode" thing that shows do sometimes.

[18:07:21]

iamlindoro:

The unfortunate part is that the premise itself will turn many away when it's quite a good show

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justinh:

CyberKnet: you don't have to stand for it. Show the writers your distaste in the form of mailed dog poops

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meshe:

it's to appeal to those of us who love musicals

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justinh:

or just don't watch them. whatever's easiest

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CyberKnet:

justinh: That's much more effective than my usual habit of turning them off :P

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justinh:

people wonder why we collect our dog's doings in Jiffy bags.. now you all know

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CyberKnet:

ding-dong! Who's at the door?

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: i secound the feeling of glee i think its def something to watch

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, it's also one of the few things I watch with wide appeal so at least it won't be immediately canceled like all my other shows

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mag0o:

im getting those "QMutex::lock: mutex lock failure" messages also, in mythvideo with 22287

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Shadow__X:

i know the feeling

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CyberKnet:

AOL (me too)

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iamlindoro:

mag0o: fixed in 22288

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iamlindoro:

amusingly

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gbee:

justinh: btw all I meant about Glee clubs was that the concept isn't really something most people here can relate to, just like fraternities (wtf?) – of course a WI or Rotrary themed drama may not do so well in the US for the same reason (silly example because I'm sure the US has very similar equivalents)

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mag0o:

seriously?

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mag0o:

haha

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** mag0o goes back to compiling... **

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iamlindoro:

yep, you svn up'ed in the 60 minute period between those two :)

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gbee:

I suppose you could equate Glee clubs to amateur dramatics groups, which would be familiar to most

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mag0o:

that'd be my luck

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jduggan:

yea that whole fraternity concept is a bit faggy to most brits

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iamlindoro:

I have been unable to cause a image load segfault since that revision

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gbee:

oh, just noticed that in stuarta's ticket – might get him to update before I start working on a fix for a problem which may not exist

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mag0o:

i just saw that ticket come thru with the same message dealing with the channel icon scan

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mag0o:

its what made me notice

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mag0o:

man, the boss is gone for the day too, so i was gonna do some themeing :)

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Apparently "E4" is carrying Glee in the UK

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gbee:

jduggan: the whole idea that people would subject themselves to ritual humiliation in a pretty desperate bid to 'belong' to a collective – pretty alien to me, although again the Masons have been doing it over here for years, so it's not really just a US thing – just more prevalent and weird

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: i didn't know but on warehouse 13's site it gives you history of the warehouse

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iamlindoro:

gbee: FWIW the lion's share of us think frats are moronic

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Shadow__X:

back to warehouse 1

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: Not watchin W13, thought it was crap

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gbee:

iamlindoro: well I'm relieved to hear that

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Shadow__X:

oh ok

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: sure, but they provide free beer to 15 year olds

[18:17:10]

Shadow__X:

but i do feel that frats are moronic as well

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iamlindoro:

And if SyFyllis loses me on SG:U, I'll probably never watch them again unless they bring back a Farscape spinoff

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gbee:

iamlindoro: something would have been very wrong with the world IMHO if the majority thought they were normal, healthy etc

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iamlindoro:

The Days of Farscape and BSG seem long gone, though

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Heh

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gbee:

I wonder what a Farscape spinoff would look like ...

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gbee:

"Also we would find it very unfortunate if the Dbox-support falls away." << A volunteer to support the dbox support? ;)

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iamlindoro:

No, just a volunteer to lead a letter writing campaign on the users list if it does

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iamlindoro:

Like yesterday, when we very nearly took a vote on the list rules

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iamlindoro:

E_NOTADEMOCRACY

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gbee:

please address all letters to Mr. D. Null ...

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wagnerrp:

dbox support?

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mag0o:

btw, i noticed the speed up in fanart loading from the recent patches, well done

[18:24:01]

iamlindoro:

mag0o: Captain_Murdoch and gbee's doing

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wagnerrp:

looks like tonight is a good night to update

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wagnerrp:

nothing recording, in case something breaks

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gbee:

since it seems a large number (probably the majority) of people clinging to the dbox are using it along with softcam I've not the least sympathy

[18:24:21]

mag0o:

thanks Captain_Murdoch and gbee

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wagnerrp:

dreambox?

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jams:

stupid question but what is dbox?

[18:25:34]

wagnerrp:

looks like a linux based satellite receiver

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jams:

thanks

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gbee:

antiquated and no-longer produce STB that someone discovered could be modified to allow the use of softcam to bypass the need to pay for a subscription

[18:26:22]

CyberKnet:

ouch.

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sphery:

likely the reason for the "Also we would find it very unfortunate if the Dbox-support falls away."

[18:27:37]

gbee:

iirc they haven't been manufactured in years, but they are regularly exchanged on places like Ebay for decent amounts ..... for obvious reasons

[18:27:45]

sphery:

gbee: do you want to decide which OSD themes go in mythtv/themes and which in myththemes? :)

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wagnerrp:

well they can always forward-port the old code for their own purposes

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gbee:

sphery: err, I'll have to install and try them all out

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wagnerrp:

of course i wonder what percentage of such users actually want to do work on their own

[18:29:06]

wagnerrp:

as opposed to using someone else's softcam software they found on the internet, and calling themselves l33t

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sphery:

gbee: FWIW, Retro-OSD and isthmus are basically the same OSD theme--so I suggest putting them in different dirs.

[18:29:15]

gbee:

wagnerrp: I suspect most don't have the skills, but someone will, there are whole 'underground' forums full of people exchanging patches for mythtv to access all sorts of content illegally

[18:29:55]

CyberKnet:

I thought this topic was not allowed, along the lines of torrents

[18:30:11]

gbee:

iirc gray-osd was a more recent effort by GreyFoxx, might be a candidate

[18:30:36]

sphery:

yeah, gray-osd is nice, too, and fits well with the non-blue GUI themes

[18:30:40]

wagnerrp:

yep, time to stop...

[18:31:27]

CyberKnet:

we can whine about how they won't give us access to channels – but we can't discuss ways to get those channels :P

[18:31:36]

gbee:

sphery: maybe blootube's osd ... like I said I need to go and look at these, I'd even be will to dump/change the default

[18:31:38]

sphery:

gbee: looks like Retro-OSD is the newer version of isthmus ( http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/10843 )

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sphery:

well, if defaultosd isn't the default, the name would be rather unfortunate

[18:32:06]

sphery:

kind of like the default menu theme :)

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gbee:

yeah, I'd rename it

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gbee:

frumpy-osd

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sphery:

oh, wait, defaultmenu is the default

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gbee:

it's still unfortunate

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sphery:

happy to change it (and its themeinfo.xml)

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gbee:

if you can think of a good name, then go ahead

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** sidh fe **

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mag0o:

theThemeFormerlyKnownAsDefault

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** sidh feels angry with the guy who advised him to install kaffeine **

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gbee:

the difference between something like defaultmenu and the default* ui themes is that they aren't selectable proper themes just last ditch fallbacks

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wagnerrp:

mag0o: but then you need to come up with an identifying mark

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mag0o:

:)

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mag0o:

696

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sidh:

that fu..ing kaffaine make trouble with my audio devices

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sphery:

gbee: Heh, the (new) default OSD theme is BlackCurves-OSD--only because there's no default specified, so you get the first in the list.

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CyberKnet:

sidh: There are more descriptive adjectives that are less colorful. You might try one ones of those next time.

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sphery:

So defaultosd is /not/ the default OSD theme

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iamlindoro:

My fave OSD is Metallurgy's

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iamlindoro:

but even BlackCurves shouldn't be the default unless you install myththemes

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gbee:

sphery: interesting

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sidh:

CyberKnet: sorry but i was very near to have a working HTPC, and the Kaffeine stuff ruined all my set up

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CyberKnet:

I like Metallurgy's OSD too. I have noticed on occasion though that the progress bar doesn't paint the current location sometimes, giving the impression you are 0% of the way through the recording.

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sphery:

gbee: So far, I'm thinking Retro-OSD and gray-osd in mythtv/themes, isthmus in myththemes. Change the name of defaultosd and defaultmenu. WARNING: Unless someone gives a better name, I'll go with frumpy-osd and frumpy-menu. :)

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gbee:

yeah, defaultosd would be the default for anyone who hasn't installed myththemes, which is unfortunate

[18:40:04]

sphery:

gbee: if you like, I can set a proper default, too

[18:40:25]

CyberKnet:

sidh: I understand your frustration.

[18:40:29]

gbee:

not a theme bug, just an OSD bug

[18:40:38]

CyberKnet:

gbee: referring to me?

[18:40:48]

gbee:

yeah, it's not metallurgy's fault

[18:40:54]

CyberKnet:

Oh, ok. I wasn't sure.

[18:41:05]

CyberKnet:

Fixed in .22?

[18:41:10]

gbee:

no

[18:41:14]

justinh:

can't say I've ever seen that

[18:41:16]

CyberKnet:

aah well, it's not a huge deal.

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sphery:

gbee: Default GUI theme is Terra (properly specified as a default) and menu theme is defaultmenu (properly specified), so I'll put in some code to specify a proper default OSD theme.

[18:41:58]

justinh:

maybe it's related to the dimensions of the bar somehow, like one or two other ui bugs we've seen

[18:41:59]

sphery:

whichever one we choose as default will go in mythtv/themes

[18:42:03]

gbee:

I've never seen it, but I can guarantee that it's code related, just wouldn't be much point chasing it down when that codes destined for the bonfire

[18:42:43]

justinh:

yeah if it was theme related everybody would see it. and it'd be fixed already

[18:43:12]

gbee:

there is an 'interesting' OSd bug where the progress bar changes colour, say from blue to green – haven't the slightest clue why

[18:43:20]

justinh:

heh

[18:43:40]

sphery:

does that when the Zip-Loc is properly sealed?

[18:43:46]

justinh:

never seen that either

[18:43:56]

iamlindoro:

So I've come to the conclusion that the absolute best way to get people into theming is to make all the decisions in my theme with myself in mind, and steadfastly refuse to change anything for anyone else

[18:43:58]

iamlindoro:

:)

[18:44:00]

sphery:

(may not makes sense to non-US people--or young people)

[18:44:01]

justinh:

also first time I've even heard of it

[18:44:13]

gbee:

doesn't happen often and I've only seen it with the XV renderer

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justinh:

sphery: ziploc bags are still in use. very handy for keeping drugs in apparently

[18:44:37]

** mag0o got the zip-loc reference **

[18:44:38]

gbee:

iamlindoro: works for me

[18:45:03]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Double point for releasing under a license that doesn't allow modification ;)

[18:45:06]

iamlindoro:

points

[18:45:08]

justinh:

iamlindoro: form an agency idiots like me can release themes through & remain anonymous :P

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gbee:

but then they tend to copy the theme, change one thing and release it as their own ....

[18:45:30]

** sphery needs to know which OSD theme to make default... **

[18:45:47]

sphery:

If defaultosd, I need to know a good new name for it :)

[18:45:58]

justinh:

alpha

[18:46:10]

gbee:

sphery: ok, ok – give me a few minutes to look at them all (suggestions are welcome too)

[18:46:11]

justinh:

but it better have transparency ;)

[18:46:15]

iamlindoro:

omega, since it's reached end of life ;)

[18:46:40]

gbee:

from what I remember of defaultosd, it's got to go – if only because it's so old and tired

[18:46:53]

sphery:

I'd agree--I doubt anyone is using it

[18:46:54]

justinh:

the 1980s want it back

[18:46:57]

iamlindoro:

kindling-osd

[18:47:00]

sphery:

I think isthmus/Retro-OSD are popular

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[18:47:08]

justinh:

thermalite-OSD

[18:47:10]

sphery:

gray-osd seems to have a lot of users

[18:47:47]

CyberKnet:

I wouldn't object to some opt-in reporting of what theme name / osd name I am currently using. If someone wants to write the code :P

[18:47:49]

sphery:

so I can move defaultosd to oldthemes and change its name to frumpyosd?

[18:48:03]

sphery:

CyberKnet: you mean in the log file?

[18:48:05]

mag0o:

aaaOSD

[18:48:12]

justinh:

I think he means phone home

[18:48:22]

CyberKnet:

sphery: Or someone's evil computer. *shrug*

[18:48:37]

CyberKnet:

:)

[18:48:41]

justinh:

I think even I could cook the stats ;)

[18:48:51]

sphery:

ah, phone home

[18:48:52]

sphery:

got it

[18:49:20]

CyberKnet:

or we could just put a modpoll on mythtv.org. But that would be far too little code. heh.

[18:49:53]

CyberKnet:

Always apply the back-side of occam's razor, I say.

[18:50:06]

kormoc:

CyberKnet: or write a quick mythweb plugin to do it

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gbee:

sphery: sure, move defaultosd

[18:50:26]

CyberKnet:

kormoc: I would, but my php ... she not so good.

[18:51:04]

gbee:

just occurred to me that if I do create an OSD for Terra in the next four days, it would probably make sense to have that as the default for consistency

[18:51:32]

sphery:

makes sense

[18:52:06]

sphery:

I have a 2-line patch that sets a proper default. I'll probably commit it with the OSD theme shuffle, but you can change it when Terra-OSD goes in

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justinh:

out of curiosity what's the state of swscale – just wondering for the sake of having Xv rendering & a nice res OSD

[18:52:35]

AndrewNC:

I've never once seen a question answered in #alsa, I wonder what is the point of it

[18:52:40]

sphery:

justinh: you get a nice res OSD when you have all high-def TV :)

[18:52:56]

gbee:

AndrewNC: /dev/null?

[18:52:59]

justinh:

sphery: thought it was just when you used VDPAU or opengl video rendering

[18:53:17]

sphery:

justinh: no, for Xv it renders the OSD at the size of the video

[18:53:18]

justinh:

otherwise you get the OSD at the video res. Blech

[18:53:22]

gbee:

justinh: he means when you don't have SD content

[18:53:27]

justinh:

ah

[18:53:29]

justinh:

meh

[18:53:32]

AndrewNC:

maybe their devs log it, compile frequent questions to laugh at during their drinking parties

[18:53:39]

sphery:

justinh: yep, so if you have all high-res video...

[18:53:47]

sidh:

ok after i aptitude remove --purge kaffeine, i f i choose /dev/ALSA:surround51 as device i can watch tv and play music BUT i can not play video with mplayer

[18:53:51]

sphery:

of course, you do get scaling when you have both 720p and 1080i

[18:53:58]

sidh:

i have no sound

[18:54:02]

justinh:

AndrewNC: I tried in there once. they asked about whether I'd checked the wiki & it ended there

[18:54:46]

sidh:

for watching tv and playing video isn't it the same mplayer apps by default ?

[18:54:53]

sphery:

justinh: but Metallurgy-OSD looks beautiful even when it's scaled from 1280x720 to 1920x1080

[18:54:54]

AndrewNC:

justinh: more then I've seen loitering there all day, docs on alsa dev are not as enlightening as I'd like

[18:54:58]

justinh:

sphery: that's about 20 years away then. we've not seen the back of 4:3 yet

[18:55:18]

ppww:

hi, folks. just upgraded to 0.22-trunk (from mythbuntu repo), and everything's great so far. wondering what happened to the "channel separator" field in the channel scan dialog. has this been changed to a global setting somewhere? all my newly found channels now use "5_2" format, whereas everything previously (and my preference) is "5.2".

[18:55:22]

sphery:

at least you're not playing 160x120 MPEG-2 :)

[18:55:27]

iamlindoro:

sidh: no. Myth uses it's own internal player for TV, and even for videos, mplayer is just an option (and most people should be using the internal player for that, too)

[18:55:40]

AndrewNC:

there is still b&w content being broadcast, 4:3 will never die

[18:55:42]

iamlindoro:

sidh: mplayer can *never* be used for TV viewing in mytm however

[18:55:44]

gbee:

making a Terra osd which is different from metallurgy is going to be a challenge, there are approximately 2 designs possible with the current OSD, I've done one in metallurgy and I don't really like the second option ...

[18:56:17]

justinh:

bah like rehashing themes & calling them something new is bad ;-)

[18:56:22]

iamlindoro:

There's a third option, the "gbee stays awake for 96 hours and gives us a MythUI OSD" ;)

[18:56:24]

sidh:

iamlindoro: and for playing music, is it an internal mythtv app too ?

[18:56:27]

sphery:

gbee: could always move/rename metalurgy-osd :)

[18:56:27]

AndrewNC:

just change the colors

[18:56:30]

iamlindoro:

sidh: yes

[18:56:49]

iamlindoro:

Terralurgy OSD

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mag0o:

wha?!? changing the colors doesnt count??? :)

[18:57:02]

justinh:

I was wondering the other day how come we ended up with basic animation in the OSD but nowhere else

[18:57:04]

iamlindoro:

Meterra

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sidh:

iamlindoro: is there a way to see what sound device is used with mythtv

[18:57:23]

iamlindoro:

sidh: General settings in the frontend

[18:57:25]

AndrewNC:

iamlindoro: that first name has an unpleasent ring to it

[18:57:26]

sidh:

for music and tv

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mag0o:

hehe, Terralurgy, sounds like something to contract when visiting a 3rd world country...or Alabama

[18:57:50]

gbee:

after 96 hours awake I'd check in something which seemed perfect to my eyes, but would probably be a recipe for Teriyaki Chicken

[18:58:01]

sidh:

yes but with lsof/ps x/... not possible with that ?

[18:58:03]

justinh:

lol

[18:58:06]

AndrewNC:

makes me think day after bad vindaloo

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brad2:

gbee: haha

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iamlindoro:

sidh: No. This is basic stuff, you really need to be checking the wiki and manual

[18:59:16]

sidh:

iamlindoro: as i said it is ok for tv and music (with mythtv app then) but i wonder why mplayer doesn't work with the same output sound device

[18:59:57]

iamlindoro:

sidh: myth has no control over your mplayer configuration-- only your mplayer settings do

[18:59:59]

sphery:

iamlindoro: at least he didn't originally name the osd theme "crucible-osd"--it wouldn't blend with Terra as well as "metallurgy-osd"

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gbee:

justinh: although there are superficial similarities between the old UI and the old OSD, at least in the XML, it's pretty clear they were written by two different people and different times with no attempt to make them consistent, let alone re-use existing code

[19:00:45]

iamlindoro:

wonder if a certain someone will lose his s**t again when the user control of OSD fonts is taken away... (if it is, as it should be)

[19:01:00]

iamlindoro:

"Umm... did you just remove the UI setting of OSD fonts???"

[19:01:06]

sidh:

yes but when one choose as device ALSA:surround51, this device is not stored in /dev, so what is the -ao option to give to mplayer to test

[19:01:15]

sphery:

iamlindoro: well, at least people can just throw new fonts in the theme dir.

[19:01:19]

iamlindoro:

sidh: Ask in #mplayer

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iamlindoro:

sphery: ha

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gbee:

sphery: reference to the removal of the option to specify relative font sizes for UI themes

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sphery:

gbee: yeah, I'm referencing something older

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sphery:

and unimportant

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gbee:

which would have gone totally unnoticed (because no-one really cares) had it not been for Simon

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justinh:

gbee: yeah I figured that but there've been a couple of times I've thought about doing something & ducked back after realising it'd be way better to do it properly

[19:02:59]

sphery:

gbee: though I am /very/ glad the big/small/default were removed--since they were not generally implemented meaning that users though the settings didn't work

[19:03:10]

justinh:

er 'properly' I mean

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sphery:

and users just didn't get that you can't just say "make it 20% smaller" if it's not defined and still have a usable theme

[19:03:30]

gbee:

instead his one complaint sparked an unnecessary debate on when we can and can't remove dead code

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jduggan:

hey uh is there some -O screen=1 option

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sphery:

jduggan: DISPLAY=:0.1 mythfrontend

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gbee:

-O XineramaScreen=0

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gbee:

^^

[19:04:11]

gbee:

-O XineramaScreen=1, 2, 3 etc

[19:04:33]

jduggan:

lush

[19:04:34]

jduggan:

cheers

[19:05:19]

sphery:

or -geometry 800x600+1920+0

[19:05:28]

sphery:

different ones may be required depending on your specific config

[19:05:40]

sphery:

i.e. one of the 3 mentioned approaches

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iamlindoro:

gbee: to which I again say, E_NOTADEMOCRACY

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iamlindoro:

(re: unnecessary debate)

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iamlindoro:

I guess, like kormoc, I don't know what OSS is about? ;)

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gbee:

because of that I have to spend the first two weeks of 0.23 going through the code looking for stupid/obsolete features to remove

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iamlindoro:

gbee: I'll help!

[19:07:44]

iamlindoro:

Maybe it would be possible to get everyone on board with that to cull as much as possible

[19:07:53]

iamlindoro:

prizes for most settings removed ;)

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iamlindoro:

(and replaced with autodetection/sane defaults)

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mag0o:

dang, i was gonna make a theme with no settings, and win

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iamlindoro:

delete * from settings where value LIKE "%PVR350%";

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jduggan:

wow, graphite is nice, gw iamlindoro

[19:09:38]

jduggan:

i like the guide display

[19:09:42]

iamlindoro:

jduggan: thanks, next one is much better though :)

[19:09:49]

mag0o:

noooooooooooo, not my 350

[19:10:08]

gbee:

it's a gonna

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mag0o:

heh, compile time on a p4 3ghz and a pentium M 1.8ghz are close to the same

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wagnerrp:

mag0o: you can still record just fine... that just deletes settings related to the video out

[19:10:58]

mag0o:

*whew*

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** mag0o puts up cacti graphs and tails /var/log/messages to look busy **

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sphery:

ppww: TTBOMK, there's no user-specified default for the channel separator. It just uses whichever channel separator exists most often in the DB for the given source or (if none) '_'. Therefore, you need to manually name the first channel you accept, then it will use your preferred separator for the rest. Once they're all in, you need to go through and edit the channel numbers (quickest through MythWeb Channel Editor, likely).

[19:13:27]

sphery:

no longer, that is

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tmkt:

ola

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: Any chance you're in striking distance of the scan fix? Think we have the only blocker left :)

[19:15:58]

Anduin:

iamlindoro: Yeah, I'll have something soon, never returned to it later that day after it wasn't the quick fix I suspected.

[19:16:09]

iamlindoro:

cool, thanks

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jduggan:

i feel like such a noob, i cant get a modeline working on this old tv

[19:16:33]

jduggan:

s/old/cheap pos/

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: All I'm going to do is send a signal at the end of a scan that will reload the DB data and refresh the display.

[19:17:08]

iamlindoro:

Anduin: OK, should work fine for now

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tmkt:

what is the best way to debug mythvideo?

[19:19:17]

tmkt:

continue to get "No files found"

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iamlindoro:

What is it you expect it to do, and what are you doing?

[19:19:44]

iamlindoro:

I'm guessing you expect going into the video manager to do something

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iamlindoro:

which if you are in .21, it will, and if you are using trunk, it won't

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tmkt:

ah

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tmkt:

so trunk videomanager doesn't work right now

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iamlindoro:

No, trunk videomanager works fine

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iamlindoro:

You are broken

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tmkt:

Hmm

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wagnerrp:

its just largely unnecessary now, and doesnt automatically scan when you enter it

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iamlindoro:

video management is trunk works *different*, which trunk users are expected to follow -dev and -commits to know

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wagnerrp:

or at the very least, read the nice writeup on the wiki about the differences between 0.21 and trunk

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iamlindoro:

If only someone had put all the relevant change information into some sort of publicly viewable place

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ppww:

sphery: thanks; the separator selection algorithm seems mysterious. as i said, i had always used period before. it was quicker to do a sql replace to convert underscores to period, rather than go through the channel editor dialog for each.

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tmkt:

small issue for me.. is the video..the main issue i'm having right now is getting lirc0 to come back..it disapeared

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wagnerrp:

does anyone remember when protocol 49 hit? i cant seem to find it in trac

[19:24:04]

wagnerrp:

i guess i can always look through the version history of mythversion.h

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GreyFoxx:

2009-10–07 16:23:42.410 Error loading image to scale, from file: myth://Videos@192.168.0.11:6543/No Cover

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GreyFoxx:

2009-10–07 16:23:51.571 Error loading image to scale, from file: myth://Coverart@192.168.0.15:6543/No Cover

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GreyFoxx:

looks like an oops :)

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Default value is no longer no cover

[19:25:04]

GreyFoxx:

What is it now ?

[19:25:10]

iamlindoro:

blank

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe we should put a dbcheck entry to change it for users ?

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iamlindoro:

Anything you add now should have a null coverfile

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GreyFoxx:

I always thought the "No Cover" thing was odd :)

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iamlindoro:

That said, thought I was checking for ending in No Cover

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: how old is your copy of trunk?

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GreyFoxx:

this morning

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GreyFoxx:

so 8 hours?

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iamlindoro:

OK, probably just failing to check it in some spot, I'll figure it out later

[19:27:17]

iamlindoro:

I *do* check that it doesn't end in "No Cover," must have just missed a spot

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iamlindoro:

(And I suspect I know the spot, just need to test)

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sidh:

if i cat a file > /dev/dsp1 , speakers make some noise, but if i mplayer -ao alsa file.avi, i have no sound

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sidh:

http://pastebin.com/d3f95883c <- do you see something wrong

[19:30:10]

wagnerrp:

dsp1 != alsa

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iamlindoro:

MythTV != mplayer

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iamlindoro:

You *really* should seek help in #mplayer, where they troubleshoot... mplayer

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justinh:

oo another new natural history thing on BBC1 starts Monday at 9pm – Life

[19:40:45]

oobe:

i added banner and cover art to recordings-ui in metalurgy looks nice

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justinh:

hmm nothing in any logs about the mysterious happenings with my tuners today

[19:42:12]

justinh:

could be my first ever brush with a Via chipset-ism

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justinh:

that machine is overdue its regular maintenance regime anyway. and it could do with new fans

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jheizer:

Overall, is .22 backend relatively stable right now? Would like to start in on testing and don't mind crashing frontends and such

[19:45:09]

iamlindoro:

jheizer: You will likely want to call it trunk, as .22 is non-existent yet-- it's up to you, we will likely release on or around Tuesday, and yes, the backend is basically stable

[19:45:20]

iamlindoro:

but you might as well wait 5–6 days and get the real thing

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iamlindoro:

which gives us time to clean up a few last annoying bugd

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iamlindoro:

bugs

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Shadow__X:

oh wow great job moving things along guys

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jheizer:

well, yeah trunk, and didn't realize it was so soon, thought there was a few more weeks

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jheizer:

yeah, nice job

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justinh:

plans can change, people are only human :)

[19:46:14]

Shadow__X:

from time to time i look at the open bug list and the timeline and you guys are chugging along

[19:46:33]

justinh:

it's been a fair ole blitz the last few months

[19:46:57]

justinh:

mythui work excluded – that was a hard slog & gbee needs medals

[19:47:20]

justinh:

beers at least

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jheizer:

one of these days need to get back into the C++ world and help out

[19:47:56]

jheizer:

if it was .Net I would be all over it

[19:48:11]

justinh:

if it was .Net it wouldn't bloody work :P

[19:48:15]

jheizer:

haha

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gbee:

that's funny, if it was .Net I'd be walking in the opposite direction

[19:49:32]

justinh:

MP is .net IIRC, and runs like a bag o spanners on my not so very old or lame laptop

[19:50:07]

resno:

justinh: its funny you menion MP, i was actually testing my hand at it. and setting it up never worked

[19:50:18]

oobe:

video tree still doesnt remember last selected position is this a bug a known issue?

[19:50:20]

justinh:

I got it as far as playing some files

[19:50:59]

resno:

wow, thats great. i couldnt get the backend and front end to connect

[19:51:09]

jheizer:

just a lot of code for a person for a newbie

[19:51:28]

jheizer:

was trying to look into making a change a while back and never got even close to finding where to start

[19:51:38]

justinh:

I examine the state of play with the 'competition' once in a while just for kicks. myth has its faults but good grief

[19:52:30]

justinh:

mostly I go around looking to steal ideas I like :)

[19:52:44]

resno:

the main reason i was interested in mp was it had support for more tuner cards, etc. because of windows. but getting it setup was a nightmare. my biggest issue with myth was my framegrabber :P

[19:53:00]

justinh:

iamlindoro: not nagging (really!) but have you had a look at the rotatey stuff yet?

[19:53:01]

resno:

i really like their plugin system

[19:53:45]

justinh:

some other programs idea of 'plugins' is just a bunch of scripts. What I'd call a plugin is proper hooks into the core stuff like the UI

[19:54:46]

justinh:

things like xbmc are reckoned to be superior because of their ability to work with python, but I can stare at python code all day without getting it. C++ is easier to grasp for me for some weird reason

[19:54:55]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Not at all, I'm sorry

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gbee:

and we have python and perl bindings along with menu system that theoretically allows for stuff like that – but it's really no substitute for plugins written in C++

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Shadow__X:

mp?

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gbee:

I would like to see some improvements made to the plugin system though

[19:55:21]

justinh:

iamlindoro: no worries, was just curious. might be able to help

[19:55:31]

resno:

Shadow__X: mediaportal

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Shadow__X:

ah

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Right now I've got jpabq's buttonlist patch applied so it'll start to get sticky if I pile them on

[19:55:53]

justinh:

you're prolly not in any kind of rush, so I hope to tidy it up to the level where any UI element can use it

[19:55:53]

jduggan:

oh man gone are the days of smallish disks when you start recording HD

[19:55:56]

jduggan:

13gig free :S

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resno:

i am not complaining, but the plugin system here seems a little hacky

[19:56:13]

justinh:

hacky? blasphemer!

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justinh:

the apple trailers 'plugin' is hacky, I'll give you that

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resno:

ive grown to love the drag and drop and configure installs

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resno:

note* i havent installed a plugin. but from reading docs.

[19:57:06]

gbee:

?

[19:57:06]

justinh:

think you mean it's a bit hard coded for your liking ;)

[19:57:41]

gbee:

justinh: I want the rotation stuff implemented for textareas, tomorrow if you please

[19:57:58]

justinh:

gbee: sure. just let me stock up on ProPlus

[19:58:20]

justinh:

and it might end up looking like a chinese takeaway menu

[19:58:31]

justinh:

but then, there's every chance of that happening anyway :D

[19:59:33]

gbee:

oh please don't tell me we'll get a new ticket for every plugin ....

[19:59:36]

justinh:

it was a bit short-sighted of me to confine it to mythuiimage

[20:00:05]

justinh:

shouldn't be hard to fix that though

[20:00:42]

justinh:

#44903 MythPhone no longer works in 0.22

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iamlindoro:

closed--><muntz>hahaaa</muntz>

[20:01:22]

CyberKnet:

#44903 Status: Closed; Resolution: PatchOrFail

[20:01:54]

iamlindoro:

IMO MythPhone is one of those plugins that don't need resurrecting

[20:02:17]

squidly:

lol

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squidly:

iamlindoro: did that do anything worth while?

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brad2:

hahaha

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justinh:

IMHO you can take convergence too far

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squidly:

oh yea you can

[20:03:36]

justinh:

converge mah meeja!

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justinh:

what next – a route planning plugin? ;-)

[20:04:01]

resno:

ive got an offsided question for you guys, maybe you can shed some light.

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** justinh gets his torch **

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resno:

haha

[20:04:45]

iamlindoro:

and if not, we can set you on fire!

[20:04:50]

CyberKnet:

*grin*

[20:04:50]

resno:

id like to run both windows and linux on backend server. i have devices that only work for windows (as far as i can tell)

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wagnerrp:

you mean run backend servers on both windows and linux machines?

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resno:

no wagnerrp

[20:05:30]

resno:

let me explain.

[20:05:41]

wagnerrp:

two OSs on one system sharing hardware does not work well

[20:06:00]

sphery:

gbutters / gbutters_work : /Very/ nice job on BlackCurves-OSD. (Just did an OSD theme review to decide which ones should get moved where. I loved yours.)

[20:06:22]

gbutters_work:

sphery, thanks

[20:06:23]

resno:

my printer doesnt work well with linux. so i want a windows install to handle that. i have a phone system that only works in windows, so i would like it to run that also

[20:06:26]

wagnerrp:

usually your VM software has to provide specific support to access a certain piece of hardware

[20:06:34]

justinh:

resno: in theory if you can work out how to control the windows tuners you *could* make them 'IPTV' sources for a real backend to use

[20:06:34]

sphery:

gbutters_work: got any screenshots of BlackCurves?

[20:06:51]

sphery:

I'm recommending a promotion for it :)

[20:06:57]

resno:

justinh: sounds complicated..

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wagnerrp:

justinh: i believe someone has a writeup of how to manage that using VLC

[20:07:11]

justinh:

resno: you get what you get. no dice

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gbutters_work:

Just the one in the directory

[20:07:19]

sphery:

ok... I'll grab a couple

[20:07:30]

resno:

so i guess plain and simple, wont work?

[20:07:43]

resno:

or is it worth a try?

[20:07:57]

justinh:

resno: be easier long term to write drivers to make stuff work in loonix

[20:08:21]

resno:

i figured youd say that... :(

[20:08:26]

justinh:

BlackCurves? hmmm?

[20:08:42]

squidly:

sphery: got a ss of it?

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iamlindoro:

squidly: Did you read the above?

[20:09:13]

iamlindoro:

He was *asking* for screenshots

[20:09:23]

squidly:

oh sorry i missed that

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squidly:

one line and it makes me look like an idiot :(

[20:09:46]

squidly:

so much for trying to multitask in windows

[20:10:01]

iamlindoro:

Now now, it often takes people twice as many lines to look like an idiot!

[20:10:12]

iamlindoro:

so that's some achievement

[20:10:15]

iamlindoro:

;)

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squidly:

... :(

[20:10:50]

iamlindoro:

awww

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squidly:

lol

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justinh:

ahh :)

[20:12:41]

** dustybin changes topic to: .:. Welcome to the official user-to-user support channel. .:. http://mythtv.org/ .:. Latest stable release: 0.22 **

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** justinh svn ups **

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squidly:

lol

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AndrewNC:

.22 is lies!

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squidly:

dustybin: s/0.22/0.21

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iamlindoro:

s/dustybin/a pile of teeth and hair/

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squidly:

lol

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gbee_:

full system hang, that's unusual these days

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dustybin:

when i try and compile zoneminder, it cannot find important ffmpeg libs, i am compiling into /usr/local. i have created links between /usr/lib/libav* and /usr/local/lib but the make file always reports this: http://paste.debian.net/48493/ what am i doing wrong?

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gbee:

I actually miss the BSOD because at least it gave you a reason, even if it wasn't meant to be understood by the end-user

[20:15:50]

justinh:

is it just me or is trac a bit slow right now?

[20:15:58]

iamlindoro:

it's pretty bad, yeah

[20:16:08]

justinh:

he said, just as the checkout finished

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gbee:

I'll restart it

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gbee:

hmm, no, it's fine here

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gbee:

guess we'll blame justinh's checkout for bringing down the server

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resno:

does myth do home automatation?

[20:19:21]

resno:

it does right?

[20:19:32]

gbee:

no

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mag0o:

hmm, still getting "QMutex::lock: mutex lock failure" when exiting mythvideo

[20:20:10]

mag0o:

that or just a segfault

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justinh:

nice, but.. too transparent IMHO. hard to read on my SDTV. fails the mrs test too :(

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mag0o:

actually its the qmutex or "*** glibc detected *** mythfrontend: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x084c34e9 ***"

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iamlindoro:

mag0o: would need to get a real backtrace to diagnose

[20:25:26]

mag0o:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1602352

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gbee:

I like the PA comment, "I have PA working I just had to change a bunch of different PA and alsa configs first" – so we should enable PA then because even though it won't work out the box, it's possible to make it work after hours of frustration for the user!

[20:29:51]

iamlindoro:

mag0o: That's not a usable backtrace, see the debugging section of the manual

[20:29:58]

mag0o:

k

[20:30:16]

iamlindoro:

in short, need to compile with debug or profile type, and run from gdb-- but it's more detailed there

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iamlindoro:

guess my request for further translations to go to one ticket fell on deaf ears...

[20:31:31]

justinh:

mailing list. definitely needs a mailing list. Uhuh. Mailing list

[20:31:53]

mag0o:

is there a preference as to profile or debug?

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gbee:

ugh, I really wonder why glibc bothers printing out that crappy stacktrace, it's worse than printing nothing at all

[20:31:56]

iamlindoro:

I'd settle for reading the comments I put in his tickets

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iamlindoro:

mag0o: debug IMHO

[20:32:15]

iamlindoro:

but profile if you're going to keep compiling that way

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mag0o:

ok, and just mythtv or plugins and themes?

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iamlindoro:

mag0o: mythTV and plugins

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iamlindoro:

themes aren't binary, so don't need backtraces

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justinh:

iamlindoro: hey, add binary blob theme support to mythui, ala you know what.. that'll fix people changing theme stuff :P

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CyberKnet:

Anyone done anything with setting up private gsm networks in the usa? Curious what (if any) licensing issues are involved for low-power situations...

[20:35:04]

gbee:

justinh: brilliant, that's what I'm working on next

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sphery:

gbutters_work: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/BlackCurves-OSD/

[20:35:12]

iamlindoro:

hehe

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sphery:

am I too late?

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sphery:

er, that was meant for squidly

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sphery:

squidly: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/BlackCurves-OSD/

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iamlindoro:

sphery's web server seems to run on the same hardware as trac

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sphery:

heh, likely

[20:37:12]

sphery:

shouldn't have posted in here

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sphery:

killed my net radio, too

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justinh:

put em in t' wiki :)

[20:38:25]

wagnerrp:

i need to check what channel im in before randomly typing things...

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CyberKnet:

Who on earth would click a link that wasn't directed at them? :)

[20:39:17]

** jheizer raises hand **

[20:39:23]

** mag0o resisted only after he said it killed his radio **

[20:39:23]

jheizer:

but I closed it right after

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wagnerrp:

CyberKnet: you click on every link that gets directed to you?

[20:40:12]

janneg:

CyberKnet: burning man had a private gsm network

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: I learned that lesson many years ago with a poorly placed (read: well placed) goatse link. *shudder*

[20:40:26]

CyberKnet:

janneg: Hmmmm.

[20:40:38]

CyberKnet:

janneg: Did it provide a data connection, or just voice?

[20:41:23]

wagnerrp:

CyberKnet: was it the goatse page with or without voice?

[20:41:31]

gnome42:

hmm, do folks see the correct inputs displayed in mythweb, upcoming recordings and in the Switch Input osd menu entry? I always see the first input, even though the recordings occur on the correct inputs.

[20:41:42]

CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: I don't know. Audio didn't load up in the femtosecond it displayed.

[20:41:51]

CyberKnet:

I did not click again to find out.

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jpabq:

sphery: that is why I asked iamlindoro to host the variable-button size screenshot.

[20:43:42]

sphery:

that should speed it up for any new ones going there

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janneg:

CyberKnet: I don't know, only heard of it. I could say more about the european attempts at HAR and CCC

[20:47:54]

iamlindoro:

trac has died again

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iamlindoro:

I mean, in the last minute or two

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gnome42:

nvm, pebkac

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justinh:

jpabq: nice work, I hear :)

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** mag0o wonders if putting a laptop to sleep will kill a compile **

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jpabq:

justinh: far from polished, but shows the capabilities: http://www.fecitfacta.com/variablebuttons.png

[20:53:16]

justinh:

totally :)

[20:54:31]

justinh:

whoah. what's with the variable sized buttons at the bottom – are they scaled or mythuishapes to the dimensions of the area?

[20:54:52]

justinh:

or is it a trick with a divider image?

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wagnerrp:

mag0o: it shouldnt

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mag0o:

i would hope not, and i *think* ive done it before

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gbee:

justinh: looks like shapes to me with a 100%,100% area

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justinh:

!

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if i like that

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jpabq:

justinh: the button is scaled to the size of the text. Then the sibling "shape" is shrunk by the same amount automatically.

[20:56:02]

wagnerrp:

(the variable buttons thing)

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justinh:

bloody hell :-O

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gbee:

if they were scaled you'd see it in corners

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justinh:

gbee: yeah but not so much with such a small radius

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justinh:

wagnerrp: not ideal for all situations & it can be misused like anything else but it *definitely* has applications

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gbee:

jpabq: chutt might get a kick out of seeing that screenshot

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wagnerrp:

actually, the bottom buttons look nice

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jpabq:

justinh: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Pending_MythUI_Patches

[20:57:41]

justinh:

jpabq: yeah seen that already

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wagnerrp:

but a horizontal line of variable height looks bad

[20:57:50]

justinh:

that is very impressive

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gbee:

wagnerrp: what about the middle?

[20:58:12]

justinh:

wagnerrp: if the larger area was the same style with rounded corners it'd suit better IMHO

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squidly:

sphery: pretty cool thanks

[20:58:29]

jpabq:

gbee: feel free to post it in #mythtv.

[20:58:39]

wagnerrp:

gbee: i didnt realize the middle view was new capability

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justinh:

talk about taking a feature idea & running with it

[20:59:33]

wagnerrp:

how about... 'it looks bad to scale in a direction other than that of the list'

[21:00:20]

justinh:

maybe, but leave that up to themers to decide

[21:00:30]

justinh:

if you no likey, you no likey

[21:00:37]

wagnerrp:

ill accept that

[21:00:53]

justinh:

mythui was all about freeing theme creators to do whatever they want

[21:01:04]

justinh:

no 'within reason' ;-)

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wagnerrp:

considering it would probably be more code to block it, rather than just let the themers do what they want

[21:01:44]

justinh:

it's actually a lot more code to allow more flexibility

[21:02:18]

justinh:

look at the cases for horizontal vs vertical vs grid layouts for example

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wagnerrp:

well now that opens some interesting possibilities!

[21:03:32]

wagnerrp:

seeking through a listings grid, and the current channel and current time expand to show more data

[21:03:48]

justinh:

myers

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: exactly

[21:03:51]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: http://www.fecitfacta.com/vbl-2.png

[21:04:00]

iamlindoro:

That's from my messing about with it, see right buttonlist

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dustybin:

wow i didnt realise the whole ffmpeg project was experimental

[21:04:51]

iamlindoro:

dustybin: Huh?

[21:04:54]

wagnerrp:

dustybin: it hasnt reached version 1 yet

[21:04:59]

dustybin:

http://ffmpeg.org/download.html

[21:05:00]

dustybin:

read the top

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justinh:

I didn't realise dustybin was an experiment gone wrong

[21:05:16]

dustybin:

i need the latest svn ffmpeg for latest zoneminder release

[21:05:18]

iamlindoro:

dustybin: Wrong context of experimental

[21:05:40]

wagnerrp:

and the API is still wildly changing

[21:05:44]

jduggan:

(WW) intel(0): Option "UseEDID" is not used <- huh ?

[21:06:16]

dustybin:

would downloading the latest svn of ffmpeg benefit mythtv?

[21:06:24]

wagnerrp:

not in the least

[21:06:26]

jduggan:

lol

[21:06:30]

dustybin:

aye ok doesnt matter

[21:06:30]

wagnerrp:

well... it may benefit mythweb

[21:06:31]

dserban:

mythbackend needs to bitch if a folder doesn't exist. The 0 byte recordings are a good sign that the backend couldn't write to the storage group.

[21:06:37]

** sphery goes to get screenshots of all the OSD themes **

[21:06:39]

wagnerrp:

and then only for use during flash streaming

[21:06:51]

justinh:

dserban: got news for ya. IT DOES

[21:06:58]

iamlindoro:

mythbackend *and* mythtv-setup bitch if it can't write to an SG

[21:07:16]

xris:

sphery: pm/email me with links when you get them.. I need stuff for the website.

[21:07:39]

wagnerrp:

dserban: the 0 byte recordings are a good sign that the backend COULD write to the storage group

[21:07:50]

wagnerrp:

the mere fact that the file exists indicates it has write access

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dserban:

justinh: I went through the same problem earlier, I didn't have a correct directory assigned to the Default group, and going through the logs didn't mention a single instance of "OMFG LOL I CAN'T WRITE TO WHERE YOU WANT ME TO YOU STUPID NUB"

[21:08:06]

wagnerrp:

a 0 byte recording means your tuner card failed in some manner or another

[21:08:30]

dserban:

wagnerrp: nein, it reported 0 bytes via the frontend. the file didn't exist though.

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dserban:

iamlindoro: where does it bitch?

[21:09:10]

dserban:

I must've missed it.

[21:09:16]

iamlindoro:

In the logs, and on any attempt to exit mythtv-setup

[21:09:16]

dustybin:

interesting: ffserver is a multimedia streaming server for live broadcasts.

[21:09:19]

wagnerrp:

the point still stands that mythtv-setup bitches on exit if it does not have write access to your SGs

[21:09:37]

wagnerrp:

it pops up and says 'you do not have write access, do you want to fix this?'

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dserban:

wagnerrp: ok.. well it didn't .. and I can reproduce it :)

[21:09:46]

wagnerrp:

and you must have clicked 'no, i know what im doing'

[21:10:02]

dserban:

Well quite possible I guess.

[21:10:13]

wagnerrp:

are you running the backend as a different user than you ran mythtv-setup?

[21:10:23]

dserban:

wagnerrp: nope.

[21:10:47]

dserban:

I don't currently have a problem wagnerrp , I just noticed someone else filed a bug with the same log output, the same type of problem.

[21:11:16]

wagnerrp:

ah, well in their case, same questions

[21:11:28]

dserban:

I had created a LiveTV recording directory, but the Default (which regular recordings were going to) was defined, but no actual directory was assigned.

[21:12:59]

dserban:

So if I watched live, it worked, the recordings would go through the motions, etc... though, no files were being produced. The backend logs didn't mention much, except that .. something about the stream being unavailable (I forget what it said), so it _did_ error, but didn't say why.

[21:13:44]

dserban:

I'm gonna go try the same thing on another box, so that I'm not being completely unreasonable here. :P

[21:14:23]

dserban:

WAF must be met. So I'll have to install it somewhere else. Can I create a dummy input for mythbackend? say.. a stream from a dvd or something similar?

[21:14:39]

mindoms1:

hi. ive got here an ati RV535 [Radeon X1650] with standard ubuntu 9.04 drivers and mythfrontend doesnt display correctly. any ideas?

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dserban:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6559 <-- that's the one I'm talking about

[21:19:15]

mindoms1:

this is from the terminal when i run mythfrontend. millions of these lines:

[21:19:15]

mindoms1:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1602484

[21:19:15]

mindoms1:

im pretty shure its a qt thing, but maybe you could help me out here.

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iamlindoro:

yfaykya: I am not able to reproduce your crash, nor has anyone else reported one. If you are doing something unusual, it would be helpful to know

[21:22:07]

yfaykya:

iamlindoro: We were talking about the issue before in -dev. Also I see lots of chat lately between you and CM about segfaults scrolling in MV so at times it does seem very unclear

[21:22:38]

yfaykya:

where to talk about segfaults that is. Anyways I don't mind.

[21:22:46]

iamlindoro:

yfaykya: Neither CM nor I is a user reporting a crash, we are people fixing them

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mindoms1:

oh. and im running .21-fixes from standard ubuntu repo

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iamlindoro:

yfaykya: And if you'll forgive me, you've been in #mythtv quite a lot asking user questions, so unless it's strictly about *your* development of myth, it really needs to be here

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yfaykya:

iamlindoro: Oh?

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iamlindoro:

as user questions about using trunk still belong in -users

[21:23:42]

iamlindoro:

yes

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jduggan:

gd i dont think i'll ever have a working modeline for this tv :(

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jduggan:

best i can do is 720x576

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yfaykya:

I have no problem being wrong (best way of learning) but I would like to know when.

[21:24:24]

yfaykya:

So perhaps an example?

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** J-e-f-f-A just *bleeped* himself... went into mysql mythconverge database and did a 'show tables', and it only returned 11 tables... After I re-composed myself, I realized I was ssh'd into a remote frontend... DOH! ;-) **

[21:26:20]

iamlindoro:

yfaykya: A long conversation about why your files were myteriously disappearing/not scanning right that spanned multiple days?

[21:26:22]

yfaykya:

iamlindoro: I am not sure of anything I am doing unusual.

[21:26:34]

iamlindoro:

None of that belonged in #mythtv

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iamlindoro:

several conversations about how to convert your existing videometadata records to Storage Group format

[21:27:05]

iamlindoro:

etc.

[21:27:14]

iamlindoro:

None of the above had anything to do with developemtn

[21:27:15]

yfaykya:

iamlindoro: I actually think that might be part of the issue now!

[21:27:16]

iamlindoro:

ment

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iamlindoro:

not the point

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squidly:

J-e-f-f-A: lol

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yfaykya:

I thought I asked the SG stuff here. My bad then

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iamlindoro:

If you think it's part of the issue, then clear your videometadta, scan, and add your metadata using the UI, and not your own script

[21:28:19]

yfaykya:

iamlindoro: I have not used my own script in perhaps 3 months

[21:28:29]

iamlindoro:

As it is, as nobody else seems to be having this issue, I will have a very hard time helping you as your manner of filling/modifying your database is outside the supported

[21:28:32]

yfaykya:

Not since all the work you did

[21:29:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

squidly: All I could think of was "How the heck is the backend still running???" — then I noticed the hostname in the shell prompt... *phew* I though... ;-)

[21:29:31]

yfaykya:

I really hope I am not coming across as ungrateful etc. I was just following up something we had been talking about previously in #mythtv

[21:29:43]

squidly:

J-e-f-f-A: yea I was like that too at one point a while ago

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yfaykya:

I accept wrong place.

[21:30:03]

squidly:

forgot my desktop runs a sql server too (though I dont really need it)

[21:30:19]

iamlindoro:

yfaykya: It would be very helpful if you would clear your database, fill it using nothing but myth's scanner, and myth's internal metadata grabbing

[21:30:34]

yfaykya:

I have done since.

[21:30:40]

iamlindoro:

until I know the information was all put there by myth, I have no known starting point

[21:30:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

squidly: yeah, I should probably stop it on that frontend... it's only an Asus Pundit P2, and stutters on ATSC HD... Every bit of processing power I free up can only help it. ;-)

[21:31:07]

squidly:

heh yea very much so J-e-f-f-A

[21:31:29]

squidly:

J-e-f-f-A: my sql server was used for some play, but I dont need it any more (though my backend needs more power!

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dserban:

More powah! I wish I still played Captain Power. That was the most excellent technology ever invented.

[21:32:23]

iamlindoro:

yfaykya: Also, I need backtraces generated using the method in the debug section of the manual, this is very hard for me to read properly

[21:32:42]

sphery:

xris: will do... Hope you don't mind Better Off Ted for all the shots. :)

[21:32:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

squidly: yeah, I kinda went overkill with my BE... It's an Athlon 64 6000+ w/4GB ram... ;-) Varoom! But since I'm often recording up to 5 programs at once (3 SD, 2 ATSC HD), and I like to do commercial detection in real-time, I like the power... MuWaHaHa!!!

[21:33:17]

yfaykya:

iamlindoro: Its run against a core file. That might be the difference.

[21:33:18]

squidly:

J-e-f-f-A: yea my backend is way underpowered

[21:33:22]

dserban:

Commercial detection/realtime? WTH? umpossible.

[21:33:29]

iamlindoro:

yfaykya: Further, your copy of mythvideo is modified

[21:33:33]

Dagmar:

Broadcast flag!

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squidly:

J-e-f-f-A: what you using for your captures? I'm debating on getting an ATSC HD device

[21:34:05]

dserban:

Broadcast flag? Does it look anything like the american flag?

[21:34:22]

Dagmar:

Looks mostly like a giant reciept to me

[21:34:30]

xris:

sphery: as long as it's not the exact same screen for each one. :)

[21:34:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

dserban: Well, ok... maybe not 'real-time', but flagged as it's recording... so I can even watch an in-progress recording and have it skip the commercials already detected. ;-)

[21:34:32]

dserban:

hah

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sphery:

xris: I actually had to move a recording from my production system because the ones on my dev box are all standard-def junk from 1980's made-for-education videos that were improperly deinterlaced before encoding

[21:34:38]

Dagmar:

It sez "you ain't gettin' this"

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sphery:

xris: it's pretty much the exact same

[21:34:47]

squidly:

J-e-f-f-A: what all is your backend doing?

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sphery:

I can do it differently

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J-e-f-f-A:

squidly: HD: HDHomeRun

[21:34:58]

dserban:

J-e-f-f-A: dude that's hardcore.

[21:35:09]

sphery:

I just went in where I had the bookmark and did the shots in pretty much the same order

[21:35:10]

squidly:

J-e-f-f-A: ok. I've been thinking of getting that my self

[21:35:43]

xris:

sphery: could always use justinh's 720p mythtv demo video. heh

[21:35:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

squidly: For SD, I've got 3x Dish Network SD receivers feeding S-Video and Analog audio into a PVR-250 and PVR-500.

[21:35:49]

yfaykya:

iamlindoro: ? svn diff reports nothing..

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squidly:

J-e-f-f-A: yea I've got a 150 and a 250 :D

[21:36:06]

iamlindoro:

yfaykya: If you want it looked at, please get a backtrace using unmodified mythvideo using the instructions in the wiki, and detail exactly what you did leading up to the crash, then open a ticket

[21:36:17]

iamlindoro:

especially if you did any deleting of files beforehand

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Shadow__X:

J-e-f-f-A: how do you get the comercial flagger to run while its recording

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iamlindoro:

er instructions in the debugging section of the manual, that is

[21:36:44]

iamlindoro:

And I'll look at it when I can

[21:36:54]

iamlindoro:

You are the only person reporting scanning issues, however

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yfaykya:

no deleting. Mythvideo does delete all my files with foreign chars every so often though. Remember that one! :-)

[21:37:03]

Shadow__X:

also J-e-f-f-A is that single core

[21:37:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: There's a flag that says to allow commercial-detection to start as soon as the recording starts — I don't remember where...

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mindoms1:

okay, im sorry googling would have fixed all. for the record:

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mindoms1:

XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS="1"

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mindoms1:

fixed it

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow__X: No, my 6000+ is an X2... (forgot to mention that)

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yfaykya:

Readds them then next scan

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** squidly hase to find that flag **

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** J-e-f-f-A is amazed that there are 3 mythcommflag processes running right now, and his cpus are 81.4% and 86.0% idle... **

[21:44:10]

Dagmar:

HI THAR IOBOUND

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: using the IRC client on your cell phone again? ;-)

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Dagmar:

No, just wondering aloud how you can not realize it's io bound

[21:45:38]

Dagmar:

If you have three processor-intensive things going on and cores going idle, they're waiting on disk

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Dagmar:

...or more likely the backend server

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, they could be in-progress recordings

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: Humm... they're niced to 17, and only take 5–7% of the cpu each – probably just SD too... ^^ and in-progress too...

[21:48:12]

** J-e-f-f-A checks mythweb... ;-) **

[21:48:30]

Dagmar:

Ah, so definitely iobound by virtue of the damn broadcasters still stuck in realtime

[21:49:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yep, 3 SD programs currently recording and being flagged as they record. ;-)

[21:49:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

MythBusters, Numb3rs and CSI... ;-)

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: I had a lossless transcode of a 30 minute SD program last five seconds from start to finish the other day-- that weirded me out

[21:50:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: wow, that's fast. ;-) But you have a quad-core beast, right? ;-)

[21:51:07]

AndyCap:

moar iops.

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purefusion:

anyone here ever used xrandr command? I need to rotate my display...

[21:51:56]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, not that I think it helps in this case substantially as the transocde is likely single threaded

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: true... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

and running on massively fast 2TB disk right?

[21:52:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: but lossless, so it's just cutting at GOP frames, right?

[21:52:54]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: No, lossless *does* transcode, but only around I Frames

[21:53:01]

iamlindoro:

lossless is frame-accurate

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: depends, the mpeg2 clipper will reprocess frames if you clip at something other than the I-frame

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purefusion:

watching the mythbusters marathon :)

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AndyCap:

purefusion: xrandr -o 0 – 3 ?

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wagnerrp:

i mean even those 5900rpm 2TB disks will push close to SATA 1 limits

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squidly:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: ooh, didn't realize that. ;-) Was thinking 'lossless' from my dish pvr rip days, only at GOP I-frames... And dish GOP sizes were huge – IIRC 20 or 40 ... But the resulting mpg usually played even if not transcoded to a dvd-compliant GOP or resolution... ;-)

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: they won't sustain any datarate near SATA 1 when they run out of steam^Wcache.

[21:56:57]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: my ATSC recordings are usually half a second (30 fields)

[21:57:23]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: no, they push like 130MB/s from the outer edge of the platter

[21:58:19]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: that's bad at all.

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: this is with a 7200rpm 1.5TB seagate... http://www.techwarelabs.com/seagate_1-5tb-mod/3

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AndyCap:

and down to about 50? http://macperformanceguide.com/images/LowPowe . . . volumeX2.gif

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mag0o:

yay, sleeping laptop didn't stop my compile

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jblack:

oh man, zombieland came out!

[22:21:24]

mag0o:

here is my backtrace from the mythvideo segfault: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1602632

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sphery:

mag0o: what svn rev? is that 22288 or higher?

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sphery:

mag0o: and if you think so, are you /positive/--i.e. can you do a make clean and remove your system mythtv libs ( rm /usr/{,local/}lib/libmyth* ) and rebuild and reinstall mythtv

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mag0o:

sphery: 22294 – i'll remove all of the packages and manually check for any leftovers

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mag0o:

then rebuild them (and i do have make clean in my slackbuilds)

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Dagmar:

Just uninstall the old package then instead of bothering with that rm invocation

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Dagmar:

If you want init scripts for the bits and pieces, I've got better ones

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mag0o:

sure

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Dagmar:

I really gotta get around to pushing them up to the wiki

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mag0o:

hmm, i must have borked something along the way b/c after removing my packages i still have the /usr/lib/libmyth* so i'll chunk them and rebuild

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Dagmar:

I'm stillo beating on the dlg scripts for 13.0

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Dagmar:

...but there's probably some useful tech you can satch out of theses

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mag0o:

i took the old slackbuild scripts from 12.2 and changed them so i can build svn as needed

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Dagmar:

Note: I'm slightly obfuscating them because otherwise Google will start harassing my server again

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mag0o:

k

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Dagmar:

SO like, the site is blairhouse.homeip.net:914 and the files are rc.mythbackend, rc.myth-mysqld, rc.lircd and rc.lircd.conf

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Dagmar:

I am a little paranoid about the database, and there's some minor magic in there to make the mysqld magically create root accounts and import the mc.sql and so fotth

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Dagmar:

er forth

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Dagmar:

I tend to blow my installation away for trivial things so I made the scripts a little smarter than usual

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mag0o:

sounds familiar

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Dagmar:

Oh, I guess I should add rc.mythbackend.conf to that list

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mag0o:

forbidden

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Dagmar:

? Hmm... Lemme flush my broswer. THat directory shouldn't be requiring a login

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mag0o:

just on the last one

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mag0o:

rc.mythbackend.conf

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Dagmar:

Oh. All it contains is this

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Dagmar:

LOGFILE=/var/log/mythbackend.log

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mag0o:

thanks

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Dagmar:

No problem

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Dagmar:

I write a lot of stuff, but I have a problem with remembering to properly *publish* it somewhere to save other people time

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Dagmar:

I think you probably make the fourth or fifth admitted Slackware user in here

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AgentHeX:

i've done a scan of QAM-256 channels. i have Comcast, and i get a bunch of entries for channels with "no tables", but when the scan is complete, i have no channels listed in the "channel editor" menu. am i doing something wrong? do i have to enter all channels by hand?

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mag0o:

hehe, admitted? that a bad thing? :)

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Dagmar:

Not really

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Dagmar:

I suppose as long as it's not someone saying they're running SLackware and driving me insane until I find out theyr'e really running Vector or B&W it's all good

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mag0o:

hehe

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Dagmar:

You pay them because you don't want to do it

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mag0o:

ive been a user since 8 or 9

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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Dagmar:

Me since slightly before 3

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mag0o:

nice

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AgentHeX:

Dagmar: was that directed at me? is there a better channel for my question?

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Dagmar:

no

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AgentHeX:

ok

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Dagmar:

There's probably some mention of that issue on the wiki tho

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Dagmar:

QAM's still a little bitchy

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Dagmar:

...and unlikely to be particularly useful for much longer because of Comcast

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AgentHeX:

i've done a ton of google searches, and i'm about to lose my mind (not to mention my hair)

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mag0o:

im not losing my hair, its just migrating down my back

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Dagmar:

Cool;

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Dagmar:

There's a job waiting for you doing motion capture for Aion then

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mag0o:

lol

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Dagmar:

MMO toons shouldn't have excessive back hair.

[22:52:57]

Dagmar:

Ever.

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AgentHeX:

so i just found a forum thread saying, "The scan finds a ton of encrypted channels, others with no tables, and then

[22:53:54]

AgentHeX:

the usual clear QAM versions of the local broadcasters." does that mean that the channels with no tables cannot be viewed? how do i get the local channels?

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Dagmar:

Technically by as long as I've been using Slackware I could probably claim premature chin baldness

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Dagmar:

AgentHeX: The local channels that can't be encrypted or flagged 5C by law are all you're getting via clear QAM

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AgentHeX:

Dagmar: but i see nothing in the channel editor after performing a scan despite seeing many channels that achieve a lock but have "no tables". are these channels in clear QAM?

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Dagmar:

AgentHeX: Yes, this is one of the ways in which scanning to populate the tables is bitchy

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Dagmar:

It's still too easy to zig when you should zag and the system acts like nothing ever happened.

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AgentHeX:

can i input them manually?

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Dagmar:

Yes, but...

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Dagmar:

Since you're in the US, go and make a trial account with Schedules Direct

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AgentHeX:

ok

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Dagmar:

That will at least get you the clear/local channels in

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AgentHeX:

ok

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AgentHeX:

making the account now.

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AgentHeX:

dammit, now it froze up.

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AgentHeX:

setup terminal is throwing errors

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AgentHeX:

any idea what the difference is between Switch, Rotor, and LNB?

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iamlindoro:

they're all things you don't have

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iamlindoro:

anyway, an SD account isn't going to get you anything

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AgentHeX:

:-/

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iamlindoro:

you can't download cahnnel info for QAM

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iamlindoro:

you *must* scan successfully

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iamlindoro:

and no, "no tables" doesn't mean they're clear QAM channels

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Dagmar:

bummer

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iamlindoro:

I would crank your tuning and signal timeouts way up, then scan again

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AgentHeX:

every channel is "no tables". does that mean i get no clear QAM channels?

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iamlindoro:

Also make sure you are using the us-cable frequency table

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iamlindoro:

not necessarily, it could just mean you need a higher tuning/signal timeout

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iamlindoro:

so crank those way up, choose QAM 256, and us-cable, and scan again

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iamlindoro:

and with what card are you trying to scan?

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** mag0o should crank up the timeouts and scan again **

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mag0o:

i get lots of no tables too

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mag0o:

with antenna

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iamlindoro:

no tables isn't necessarily an indication that something is broken

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Dagmar:

ATSC?

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mag0o:

thanks for the scripts Dagmar, i love learning from other folks stuff, and there's some good stuff in there

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Dagmar:

I've been coding for a long time and I'm paranoid.

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Dagmar:

hehe

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mag0o:

(and its even commented)

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mag0o:

:)

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Dagmar:

I *always* comment code

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Dagmar:

Way too often I've had someone create 4am "emergencies" on s**t I deployed as a on-eoff

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Dagmar:

4am is NOT the time to try to figure out WTF you coded a year ago

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mag0o:

heh

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AgentHeX:

my signal is in the 90-percentile, and my SNR is never below 50%. i'm scanning again, and if i get nothing, then i'll up the timeout. where do i adjust that? what menu?

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mag0o:

i like the rc.myth-mysqld

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iamlindoro:

AgentHeX, a 50% SNR is *awful*

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iamlindoro:

and signal means nothing besides the electrical strength of the connection, not the usefulness of the data

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AgentHeX:

the no-lock channels are like 91%, but, ya know, no lock, so...

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Dagmar:

Yeah, myth acts *crazy* when your tables are broken

[23:10:08]

AgentHeX:

do they broadcast QAM for every subscriber, or do they do it only if you are subscribed to HDTV channels? (answer might yield facepalm moment)

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Dagmar:

AgentHeX: Unless you're a digital cable customer you can stop trying

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AgentHeX:

:-/

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iamlindoro:

AgentHeX, Broadcast is jsut that, they have relatively few ways of preventing the signal from getting to a single subscriber

[23:10:43]

iamlindoro:

No

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Dagmar:

There's usually a choke on the line to clip out the digital stuff

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iamlindoro:

Unless there is a physical trap on *your* line to filter out the broadcast, then you get it

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iamlindoro:

AgentHeX, What kind of card are you using to scan?

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Dagmar:

Like, if you order just internet and not cable, you can be pretty sure they'll install a choke

[23:11:29]

AgentHeX:

ATI HDTV Wonder, 1st gen.

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AgentHeX:

i have a cable modem, and i used to have internet service through them. if i connect that and it locks a signal, does that mean i can receive digital TV channels? (they may be different frequencies, so iono)

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iamlindoro:

AgentHeX, That is not necessarily an indication of anything, no

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Dagmar:

They're on different bands

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AgentHeX:

i have cable through them, but it's the basic channels. like the bottom 20. i assumed that these would be simulcast in digital for HD sets.

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AgentHeX:

yeah, my locked channels are generally in the 54% range. one of them was 89%, though.

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mchou:

AgentHeX: who is your cable provider?

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AgentHeX:

comcast.

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AgentHeX:

in the portland area.

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mchou:

most likely you should be able to receive PBS and other local channels in HD via QAM

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AgentHeX:

that's what i want to test before i change any subscription info.

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AgentHeX:

the HDTV card i have doesn't work for crap in windows, so i threw it in my HTPC

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mchou:

AgentHeX: this is regardless whether you're subscribed to HD or not

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AgentHeX:

yeah. i have basic cable. but i have no digital channels.

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mchou:

even _limited_ basic (which is even a lower tier than basic) you get local channels in HD

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AgentHeX:

where do i alter the timeout value?

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Dagmar:

Not in this francise area

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Dagmar:

If you're not a _digital_ subcriber customer, you ain't seein' HD

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Dagmar:

Sometimes, when the moon is full, they'll get confused during an audit and some asshat will put a new filter on your line (*badly*

[23:19:41]

Dagmar:

So, I've learned to run outside real quick and look for a truck when the cable goes away un expectedly

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Dagmar:

There's nothing more fun than opening your demarc point and seeing a new piece of coax with loose copper strands sticking out at both ends.

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mchou:

AgentHeX: you can use this as a reference: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . ineup_935531

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Dagmar:

It makes you want to call them and tell them to send the same tech back out to fix it while you shove your end of the coax into a wall socket.

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mchou:

AgentHeX: change your zip code accordingly

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AgentHeX:

hmmm... just thought of something. i have a little box in the back room that nukes channel 3 and allows you to splice in your own. every other analog channel looks fine, but 3 is gone. do you think this might be the cause of my woes? i'll pull it in a few minutes and scan again, but i'll let you guys have the first say

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pyther:

Does anyone have a good guide that would teach me about all the encoding options (specifically in regards to xvid)

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AgentHeX:

brb.

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AndrewNC_:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=video+encoding+codec+guide

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AgentHeX:

smart-ass ;)

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pyther:

AndrewNC_, not really what I was looking for

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AgentHeX:

iamlindoro: you think 10 sec for both scan/tune timeouts would be sufficient?

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pyther:

I'd like to learn about bitrate, Motion search precision, vhq, chroma motion, interlacing, etc...

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Dagmar:

vcdhelp or vcdhelper.com, something like that

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Dagmar:

You'll find it in GOogle searches

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AgentHeX:

mchou: i see entries in the table that are undoubtedly digital cable (e.g. 68–1184). is there a way to scan for these? i'm pretty sure they'd end up being encrypted, but how can i do a full sweep?

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Dagmar:

They have everything

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AgentHeX:

out of curiosity, does 8vsb have a better picture than qam256?

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AndrewNC_:

no

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AgentHeX:

so cable channels will look better than broadcast (in terms of compression quality)?

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AndrewNC_:

nope

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AndrewNC_:

anything cable will typically look like ass compared to over the air

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mchou:

AgentHeX: if they show up on the silicondust site that means they are NOT encrypted

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AgentHeX:

oh

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AndrewNC_:

cable companies recompress the hell out of everything

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mchou:

cause silicondust is a straight up QAM tuner

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AgentHeX:

well with the antenna that came with my tuner, i only get one channel: KGOD – the worship channel. but if i got a better antenna, i might get a better picture...

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mchou:

antenna?

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Dagmar:

I suspect QVCs sales would not be helped by greater visual accuracy.

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mchou:

I thought you were talking CABLE

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AgentHeX:

Digital Antenna: 8vsb. Comcast Cable: qam256.

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AgentHeX:

i'm comparing my options.

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mchou:

since you're a comcast custome just use scte65scan

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mchou:

customer*

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AgentHeX:

i just love it when mythtv-setup crashes. *sigh*

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mchou:

that should work well enough for scanning and channel lineups

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AgentHeX:

where do i set that?

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AndrewNC_:

8vsb vs qam256 is like dsl vs cable modem, meaningless

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AgentHeX:

AndrewNC_: i'm just thinking from a compression quality standpoint

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mchou:

AndrewNC_: hmm???

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AndrewNC_:

those are the carrier formats, have no direct correlation to the data stream compression

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mchou:

AndrewNC_: I dont get it. Who said 8vb/QAM had to do with compression?

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mchou:

8vsb*

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AgentHeX:

i've read that qam64 and qam256 have different bandwidth. i assume the same is true for 8vsb.

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AgentHeX:

mchou: where do i set scte65scan?

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AndrewNC_:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAM_tuner

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AndrewNC_:

mchou, AgentHex did

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mchou:

AgentHeX: RTFM

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AndrewNC_:

AgentHeX: antenna will be "better picture" but not because of the carrier modulation, it is because the mpeg stream is less compressed due to cable companies cutting corners on their side of the fence

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AgentHeX:

AndrewNC_: that's basically the answer i was looking for. thx.

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AgentHeX:

mchou: oooh! i thought scte65scan was a setting in mythtv. ty.

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Dagmar:

Shit another one?

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Dagmar:

wrong channel, but apparently another quake caused Tsunami

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AgentHeX:

whoa. that's bad.

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AgentHeX:

what region got hit?

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Dagmar:

We'll know in a bit

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Dagmar:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/10/07/s . . . e/index.html

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kormoc:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8296080.stm

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