Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, October 5th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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darkdrgn2k:

i cant play my ISOs anymore

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darkdrgn2k:

any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

what you said

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darkdrgn2k:

so no more isos...

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iamlindoro:

And what *I* Said, twice, four hours ago

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iamlindoro:

READ

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iamlindoro:

THE

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iamlindoro:

TRANSITION

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iamlindoro:

GUIDE

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wagnerrp:

what you said is true

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wagnerrp:

as per the transition guide

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wagnerrp:

video gourps mean no isos

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darkdrgn2k:

:'( waaa

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wagnerrp:

gourp is such a better term than group

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darkdrgn2k:

:-P

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califdreas:

and that transition guide is where?

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darkdrgn2k:

sooo

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wagnerrp:

on the wiki

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darkdrgn2k:

whens .23 comming out ;)

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wagnerrp:

linked at the very top of the mythvideo page

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califdreas:

thanks

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darkdrgn2k:

"ISO/VIDEO_TS Playback does not presently work in Storage Groups (Fix planned for .23)" <- :-P

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darkdrgn2k:

sooo no patch or anything?

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wagnerrp:

darkdrgn2k: specifically, the playback code requires the existence of a disk object to function properly

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brad2:

hey guys, has anyone ever seen this error message before? ([aac @ 0x1817d40]channel element 1.0 is not allocated) i upgraded trunk this morning, and my hdpvr recordings no longer playback with sound. any advice would be appreciated!

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm yeh you need to mount it.. basically.

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wagnerrp:

meaning there either needs to be a kernel driver written to create a network block device running off the backend file transfer protocol

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wagnerrp:

or you need to set up the backend and frontend to manage creation of a NBD device

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wagnerrp:

outside of the backend protocol

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wagnerrp:

or you have to rewrite the playback code

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darkdrgn2k:

ooor nfs mound the drives localy...

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wagnerrp:

none of the above solutions are trivial

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wagnerrp:

NO

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wagnerrp:

that negates the whole purpose of storagegroups if you go back to NFS

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iamlindoro:

not to mention you still wouldn't be able to read the disk

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iamlindoro:

since libdvdnav/libdvdcss require block access to the actual drive

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iamlindoro:

what wagnerrp describes is how the problem will actually be solved

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wagnerrp:

or at least a virtual one, in the form of some loopback device

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darkdrgn2k:

so in short i should queue up all these ISOs to convert them to MVKs...

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wagnerrp:

or... stick with the old format

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iamlindoro:

how about MKVs instead

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iamlindoro:

they do speak english in Canada, right?

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darkdrgn2k:

no we speek canadian :-P

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darkdrgn2k:

a

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antgel:

they do know what smileys are in canada, right? ;)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: comment on my previous question?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, didn't see it

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wagnerrp:

what is in the 'host' field of a video entry when not using storage groups

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iamlindoro:

null

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wagnerrp:

null works for me, thanks

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iamlindoro:

as in, nothing, rather than the string

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm could patch it that if the files is being played on the same machine, it circumvents groups...

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wagnerrp:

thats a lot of code to work around

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wagnerrp:

can you use SGs and normal file access at the same time?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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wagnerrp:

i.e.: two folders, one with normal files over SG, the other an NFS folder of ISOs

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iamlindoro:

yep

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darkdrgn2k:

but then i have to re-create all the meta data

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darkdrgn2k:

(wich i spent converting TO sg)

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wagnerrp:

or learn some sql, and convert it over

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iamlindoro:

*

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iamlindoro:

*Will not be supported, don't even ask me

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wagnerrp:

heh

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darkdrgn2k:

:-P

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iamlindoro:

(which goes for any question you may have after that point)

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brad2:

If anyone gets a chance, can you please look at the following pastebin? (http://pastebin.ca/1593403) having some audio woes :(

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** iamlindoro did not bust his balls making all work to troubleshoot DB muckabouts **

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** wagnerrp needs more monitors **

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darkdrgn2k:

wagnerrp: how many u have?

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wagnerrp:

im out of room

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wagnerrp:

windows are stacked multiple thick, with other hidden

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wagnerrp:

4160x1200

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wagnerrp:

well closing irc and mail cleared up a fair bit of room

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thuyquai:

!help

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thuyquai:

list

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thuyquai:

!list

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clever:

!ban thuyquai :P

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thuyquai:

!unban me

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thuyquai:

!seen

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thuyquai:

!help seen

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thuyquai:

!help search

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thuyquai:

!search smallville

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wagnerrp:

oh yeah... thats a ban

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wagnerrp:

any ops around?

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clever:

most of the time, i see those idiots doing it in channels where the topic says not to

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wagnerrp:

IRC download bot from vietnam

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clever:

and they get automaticaly banned:P

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thuyquai:

?

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thuyquai:

so i'm a bot?

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thuyquai:

I didn't know :(

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clever:

na, bots arent smart enough to use !help :P

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wagnerrp:

you sure seems to be acting in a rather programmed manner

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clever:

its got some kind of brain

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thuyquai:

ya

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thuyquai:

I'm the most clever AI

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thuyquai:

Is this channel forbid question about where to download tv-ep?

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wagnerrp:

absolutely

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wagnerrp:

this is a help channel for a DVR software, not some warez channel

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wagnerrp:

go read the FAQ in the topic

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clever:

surprised he just didnt spam #mythtv instead

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wagnerrp:

well thats odd...

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: does MythVideo.pruneMetadata() actually work?

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wagnerrp:

it seems to be calling a module without loading it first

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Greek-Boy:

[R]: What version is your kernel in unbuntu 9.04

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Greek-Boy:

?

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Sure it works I have a little scan script that I use all the time that just calls the prune module.

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[R]:

Greek-Boy: 2.6.30

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wagnerrp:

its calling os.path.exists, without importing it

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wagnerrp:

(im currently rewriting it to use SGs)

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Maybe my scan script imports os

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wagnerrp:

anyway, im basically overhauling the entire mythvideo module

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: have fun :)

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wagnerrp:

added a 'Video' class, for functions dealing with one specific video entry

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wagnerrp:

rewrote most of the existing functions to use the new functions (left them in for compatibility)

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wagnerrp:

there was just a lot of cruft in there, and some duplicate functionality, from four different people all making patches for it

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I can confirm that my scan script does the import os

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I will be interested to see your changes.

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wagnerrp:

im updating the format all over the bindings

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wagnerrp:

shifting things over to 'new-style' classes

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I assume you are getting these changes in before 0.22 is released?

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wagnerrp:

hoping to

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wagnerrp:

last i heard, thats next weekend?

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I saw "a few days after Oct 10th"

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wagnerrp:

ever hear back about the config.xml?

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Hope fully this will not break any of the existing scripts using MythVideo.py as there would not be much time left. No I have not heard anything back yet.

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: thats the plan, ive not deleted any of the old functions, but basically just wrapped them around the new ones

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I guess that should all be fixed in 0.23 so the mish mash you described before is fixed.

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wagnerrp:

anyway, this all started friday as i was trying to make 'help()' return something more meaningful than 'instance'

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wagnerrp:

somewhere along the line, things got 'fun', and my weekend disappeared

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wagnerrp:

im wondering if i should just drop #6885, and the other one (log rewrite), and put the whole thing up as fresh new files

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I have a few scripts that will need to be changes post 0.22 to use your new modules.

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Your python bindings man now ;) lead the way.

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wagnerrp:

basically MythVideo now consists of a couple settings (storage group) grabs, and a search function, which returns a Video object

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wagnerrp:

the video object has entries for all the database fields, can create new entries, update old, and delete, plus has management for the subfields (cast, country, genre)

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wagnerrp:

(in my mind) its easier to manage

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Havn't seen it so cannot comment but I trust you.

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wagnerrp:

im also starting to add in stuff to store results from queries, to speed things up

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pyther:

Hey

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darkdrgn2k:

ARG refresh my memory

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darkdrgn2k:

"when mythweb complains about posix_uname

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darkdrgn2k:

what perms am i missing

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: You do know that in 0.23 there will be radical changes to the videometadata and recorded/recordedprograms tables. Basically combining them. That most likely will cause you some changes as well as my own scripts.

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Some if not all of jamu's functionality will be replaced by enhancements to MythVideo.

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wagnerrp:

the Program and Video classes are actually now subclasses of the same base class, so this should make some of that easier

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wagnerrp:

but yeah, most of mythvideo.py will end up being rewritten or scrapped

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wagnerrp:

or depending on how things go, merged

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AndrewNC_:

does mythtv utilize dbus for any ipc?

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mchou:

AndrewNC_: doubt it. myth was around way b4 dbus

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mchou:

AndrewNC_: also violates the developer philosophy of 'minimize dependencies'

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[R]:

i thought qt4 required dbus

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AndrewNC_:

as I understand it yes

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AndrewNC_:

what is the preferred ipc mechanism?

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[R]:

ipc for what

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[R]:

the frontend and the backend talk over tcp

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mchou:

lol

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mishehu:

ugh. I'm on mythbuntu 9.04, and I have my pc w/ati onboard sound hooked up to my receiver via optical spdif. I selected ac3 and dts passthrough modes, and set the passthrough device as ALSA:iec985:{ AES0 0x2 }. now if I put the default audio device to ALSA:default, I can hear music from mythmusic, but no a52 audio streams from the dvd player or tv/recordings. if I set the default to ALSA:iec985, I get nothing at all.

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mishehu:

which is interested, because if I play a wave file with 'aplay -d iec986' I get good audio out of my receiver.

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mishehu:

might anybody have any suggestion of what to do? the folks on #ubuntu-mythtv seem to not be around really today.

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brad2:

oooh exciting, my bug report got changed from minor to critical :)

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mag0o:

a *bit* off topic here, but since it deals with tv and we're on irc...

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mag0o:

anyone have any idea why my analog cable signal would be great during the day, then get fuzzy at night? all channels from 3 – 60+

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mishehu:

no idea whatsoever

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mag0o:

i was thinking maybe temperature related, but i dunno if that's viable or not

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sphery:

mag0o: missing high-pass filter and interference from cable Internet? (Though that's usually just lower channels.)

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Lexridge:

I am having database issues. My /video drive had an error and everything went into lost+found. There was nothing there I needed, so I just deleted the shows from mythfrontend.

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Lexridge:

Now, the backend logs keep reporting stuff like this:

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Lexridge:

ERROR when trying to delete file: /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/streamer.hines.net/9051_20091004172 311.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

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mag0o:

sphery: would that show up only at night?

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sphery:

mag0o: could get worse when there's lots of usage--i.e. when people in the neighborhood aren't at work

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Lexridge:

how do I remove the metadata from mysql for these deleted shows?

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mag0o:

didn't think of that

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sphery:

Lexridge: "so I just deleted the shows from mythfrontend" using Watch/Delete Recordings

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Lexridge:

yes

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sphery:

Lexridge: if so, do you have the Deleted Recgroup enabled?

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Lexridge:

humm, good question. Lemme look

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sphery:

probably do--otherwise, they should already be gone

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jams:

woohoo finally got a reliable interface with the remote cmd socket

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sphery:

Go to Watch Recordings, change the filter to the Deleted recording group, then go through and delete each one

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sphery:

it will require you to confirm deletion

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sphery:

if it's not too many that will work

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sphery:

if it's a lot, take http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . l?format=txt and change "DELETE_RECORDING" to "FORCE_DELETE_RECORDING" and run the script

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Lexridge:

sphery, I dont seem to have a "deleted RecGroup"

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sphery:

Lexridge: it's the setting, "Auto Expire Instead of Delete Recording" in TV Settings under General settings

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sphery:

otherwise you didn't delete them from mythfrontend

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sphery:

or didn't delete them all

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Lexridge:

sphery, okay, found it....it is not checked.

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sphery:

mag0o: if it is interference, your cable co should fix it for you (including putting the filter in place)

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sphery:

then they're not actually deleted--once deleted, they're removed from the DB, so the message you're seeing couldn't happen

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sphery:

so just go through and delete them

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Lexridge:

gotcha...thanks man!

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sphery:

Lexridge: if it is a lot, you can take the shortcut I mentioned by just changing the recgroup of all of them and then using the modified flush_deleted_recgroup.pl to delete them

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sphery:

don't even have to enable that setting

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sphery:

just make the recgroup Deleted (case sensitive)

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Lexridge:

okay

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darkdrgn2k:

ok what gives

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sphery:

put them all in a playlist, then MENU|Playlist Options|Change Recording Group

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darkdrgn2k:

i cant play regular avis iether

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darkdrgn2k:

and no errors in mythfrontend or bckend

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sphery:

Lexridge: and thanks for giving me the idea for a good never-touch-the-DB-directly approach for telling users how to delete metadata for a bunch of recordings with non-existent files

[02:16:01]

Lexridge:

Houston, there's a problem. Even after enabling the delete group in general, I still don't have a Delete group. Do I have to create it manually?

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darkdrgn2k:

ok seems i cant play anthing in the sg now...

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darkdrgn2k:

stuff in the file mode works fine bug sg wont play

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darkdrgn2k:

no errors seen anywhere

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sphery:

Lexridge: you don't need to enable that setting. You need to create a new recording group. It /must/ be Deleted (case sensitive--and spelling sensitive).

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sphery:

just type in the group name

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darkdrgn2k:

any one have any ideas here?

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darkdrgn2k:

ok i get "

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darkdrgn2k:

No stream foudn to handle url myth://.........

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Lexridge:

Sphery, Okay, I created the recording group, Deleted. I also turned back off the the "Auto Expire Instead of Delete Recording" settings

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sphery:

Lexridge: wanna wait a second and be my tester for a new version of that script (that won't require modification)?

[02:25:36]

Lexridge:

okay, sure

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sphery:

thx

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pyther:

If I select close myth and shutdown, does it shutdown both the front-end + master?

[02:26:56]

Lexridge:

no, frontend only. the backend should still run

[02:27:34]

pyther:

blah, I need the backend to shutdown

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Lexridge:

"killall mythbackend" will do it

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Lexridge:

of course, if your backend is running on the same machine as the frontend, shutting down the machine will surely kill them both. lol

[02:29:11]

pyther:

Nah I guess I just have to ssh into the backend and turn the machine off

[02:29:52]

Lexridge:

yup, that's how its' generally done.

[02:30:19]

pyther:

Just stinks I can't wake the machine up via WOL, the stupid machine won't find any device on the first boot (hd, cdrom, etc...)

[02:30:38]

Lexridge:

try resetting the bios

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Lexridge:

or updating the bios

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pyther:

that might do the trick, I just need to find a monitor

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pyther:

headless server I'm running

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Lexridge:

yea, same here

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pyther:

It just 20 secs to switch channels over wireless :-/

[02:35:11]

darkdrgn2k:

ok any idea why myth will play all the videos on on folder of an SG but not another?

[02:36:38]

slam_:

is 0.22 stable enough for most at this point or what?

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darkdrgn2k:

through an sg

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iamlindoro:

slam_, If it were stable enough for most, we would have released it

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slam_:

hmm... well, not necessarily. it'll never get to 1.0 status, but it doesn't mean it's not 1.0 status to the Avg Joe

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iamlindoro:

slam_, .22 has not been released

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slam_:

ya ya...

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iamlindoro:

therefor it's not stable enough for use

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slam_:

guess i'll go back to sleep then

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slam_:

ZZZZzzzzz

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darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: does mythvides .22 have any problems playing avis?

[02:41:24]

iamlindoro:

no

[02:41:36]

iamlindoro:

there

[02:41:37]

iamlindoro:

is

[02:41:38]

iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

.22

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darkdrgn2k:

sorru

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darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: does mythvides trunk have any problems playing avis?

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iamlindoro:

no

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darkdrgn2k:

then why wont my groups play them!??!

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sphery:

Lexridge: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/flush_deleted_recgroup.pl

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sphery:

you'll need to download it and chmod +x

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Lexridge:

sphery: okay, done

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Lexridge:

now what?

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Lexridge:

justrun it?

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sphery:

oh, yeah, run it as: ./flush_deleted_recgroup.pl --force

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Lexridge:

okay, it seems to have worked

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Lexridge:

the only thing that shows up now as populated is LiveTV

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sphery:

cool... thanks for testing.

[02:48:30]

Lexridge:

sweet script...thanks!

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sphery:

I'll modify the script (though I think I've reconsidered the whole "no need for Getopt) and put it in for 0.22 and fix up the wiki's FAQ for what to do when you lose a bunch of recording files

[02:51:28]

Lexridge:

humm, the files dont show up in recordings anymore, but I am still getting this on the backend:

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Lexridge:

ERROR when trying to delete file: /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/streamer.hines.net/9051_20091004172 311.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed

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Lexridge:

shouldn't that msg be gone now, or should I restart the backend?

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sphery:

are you sure you didn't miss a recording or 2?

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sphery:

If you go to Watch Recordings and change the filter does it show a Deleted recgroup?

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Lexridge:

no.

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sphery:

so you must have a file somewhere

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sphery:

I'm guessing in the LiveTV recgroup

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sphery:

does it show that?

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sphery:

s/file/recording metadata/

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Lexridge:

yes, and it is populated (12 Items)

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sphery:

delete those the same way...

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Lexridge:

sphery, everything got deleted except for one _no_title_ from 2008

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hi5:

hi

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Lexridge:

sphery, it finally disappeared. It just took a while

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sphery:

ah, good

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sphery:

I was trying to figure out what would prevent it from deleting.

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sphery:

thanks again for testing

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Lexridge:

np, and thanks for the script and your time

[03:03:58]

hi5:

I see channels like 3.1 and 3.2 in the ota channel listings. how would i change the to one of these channels?

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[R]:

hi5: "the ota channel listings"?

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hi5:

over the air channel listings for my area

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[R]:

you need an atsc tuner

[03:05:47]

hi5:

ya I have an atsc tuner built in to my tv

[03:06:11]

hi5:

I press 3 enter and get to channel 3, but what about if I want to view channel 3.2

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[R]:

you need one for your computer to use myth...

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[R]:

this isn't #howdoiusemytv

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hi5:

lol

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hi5:

ah sorry

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hi5:

just thought mytv users more likely to use ota

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hi5:

I've asked in other chanels and everyone is like what is ota?

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[R]:

yeah... they use ota with myth...

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hi5:

hmm true

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mishehu:

so, I can't get audio out of my system AND get ac3/dts passthrough as well. Ive got an onboard ATI audio system hooked to a receiver via spdif optical. if I set ALSA:default as the default audio output dev I get sound from mythmusic, but even if I set passthrough as ALSA:iec958:{ AES0 0x2 } and enable passthrough, I never get any dts or ac3 to the receiver. in fact, I get nothing.

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mishehu:

I'm using mythbuntu 9.04

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mishehu:

might somebody have any suggestions that might help me?

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Dagmar:

mishehu: All I can say is dig through the MythTV wiki and possibly ALSA's wiki. I've seen stuff in MythTV's wiki about it but I don't know how accurate or feature replete it might be because the last time I dorked with it I wound up saying "eff it" and just going back to using three discrete cables

[03:19:36]

darkdrgn2k:

ok confirmed

[03:19:40]

darkdrgn2k:

files ending in .avi wont place

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darkdrgn2k:

renamed teh fiel to .mvk and it works fine

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darkdrgn2k:

ideas?

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Dagmar:

Tell MythVideo that avi is an actual video file

[03:20:43]

Dagmar:

The answer to the next question is "It's somewhere in the frontend setup stuff"

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darkdrgn2k:

no im alreayd there

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mishehu:

Dagmar: and to think once upon a time in the 0.18–0.19 era I actually had both working without issue :-/

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darkdrgn2k:

odd par tis avis were wirking fine before SG

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darkdrgn2k:

avi is set as default player

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iamlindoro:

AVI's *still* work fine in Storage Groups...

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darkdrgn2k:

mvk as command "INTERNAL"

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Dagmar:

So turn up logging for more detail and scan

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darkdrgn2k:

Dagmar: i did...

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** darkdrgn2k scolls up **

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iamlindoro:

you are attempting to play your AVI's with mplayer/vlc/whatever

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iamlindoro:

so now, one more time with feeling, READ

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iamlindoro:

THE

[03:22:01]

iamlindoro:

TRANSITION

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iamlindoro:

GUIDE

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darkdrgn2k:

"No stream foudn to handle url myth://........."

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darkdrgn2k:

iamlindoro: avis is flaged as "USE DEFAULT PLAYER"

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iamlindoro:

Which you are trying to play with MPLAYERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[03:22:35]

iamlindoro:

and your default mplayer is MPLAYER

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Dagmar:

doh!

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Dagmar:

busticated!

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm your right it is

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Dagmar:

FOR SHAME!

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Dagmar:

lol

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darkdrgn2k:

whats the cli for the interal one.. just internal?

[03:23:22]

Dagmar:

There's no cli at all actually.

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wagnerrp:

Internal

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Dagmar:

...and I can't remember but it may still be picky about wanting that capitalized.

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darkdrgn2k:

sory command line for the default player... "internal"

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Dagmar:

...dumb as that might seem.

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wagnerrp:

cap I

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darkdrgn2k:

k thanx

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darkdrgn2k:

i forgot mplayer was teh defaiult

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** darkdrgn2k feels stupid **

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darkdrgn2k:

i DID read it doesnt like mplayer

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wagnerrp:

anyone know how to set the file defaults in vim?

[03:24:32]

wagnerrp:

like, defaults for a specific file

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Dagmar:

set the whats?

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Dagmar:

Oh! magic lines

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wagnerrp:

thats the name?

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wagnerrp:

i just have no idea what to search for

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Dagmar:

That's a good question... Hang on a sec

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Dagmar:

Well crap. I can't remember what it's called either but there's this http://bits.nerdcore.org/post/59516639/per-fi . . . hting-in-vim

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Dagmar:

It's not very hard, you just have to sometimes guess a bit as to why vim has decided to ignore the directive

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wagnerrp:

yeah... thats the problem im currently having

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wagnerrp:

trying to figure out why it is ignoring 'expandtab' and friends

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Dagmar:

Use the short form of the directive

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sphery:

iamlindoro: in "tmdb.pl gives seemingly random results, <what up>?" (expletive modified), is that just a DB problem that requires a bug report? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/400600#400600

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Dagmar:

Oh!

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Dagmar:

This may be a wholly nother issue

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iamlindoro:

sphery, hahaha

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: expandtab won't change existing tabs, if that's what you're expecting

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iamlindoro:

sphery, amusingly, I've already responded

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: You'll have to issue ':retab' to make it do that

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: already done

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wagnerrp:

im just trying to be able to open the file, hit tab, and add four spaces

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sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, just needed to re-get messages...

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sphery:

thanks for taking care of it

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iamlindoro:

np

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wagnerrp:

which should be '# vim: set ts=4 sw=4 et'... just not working

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Dagmar:

My money's on some other option also screwing you over and overriding it

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Dagmar:

Just turning off auto-formatting so you can pastebomb a file into the damn thing takes three different things to turn off

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Dagmar:

Oh ho

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Dagmar:

Nevermind

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I have an "augroup myth" that sets the Myth prefs on any files under my Myth working directory... basically: autocmd BufRead,BufNewFile /path/to/Myth/* setlocal shiftwidth=4 softtabstop=4 expandtab list

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sphery:

(though you may not want list--I can't live without it)

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Dagmar:

I just saw an example of a magic vim line that used colons to separate everything

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jblack:

whoah. what is miro?

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wagnerrp:

formerly Freedom Player or something

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wagnerrp:

its been around for the better part of the decade

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sphery:

Dagmar: I have a my F10 and F11 mapped to enable me to set paste/nopaste at a keypress

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sphery:

straight out of a vim tip

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: looks like theyre 'modelines'

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RDV_Linux:

jblack: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MiroBridge There is a link to the Miro web site

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wagnerrp:

damnit!!!

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wagnerrp:

oh, nevermind

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wagnerrp:

'not interpreted by Python'... not 'not interpreted by vim'

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RDV_Linux:

jblack: http://www.getmiro.com/

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jblack:

RDV_Linux: Uh, thanks

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Dagmar:

sphery: Well, basically I think we'll all agree vim has too many overlapping options

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sphery:

OK, maybe not straight out of a tip... My paste stuff is similar to http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Toggle_auto-indenting_for_code_paste , but I have separate non-toggle ones

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sphery:

I'll agree it has a lot, but there's no such thing as too many (unless you're talking Myth settings :)

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jblack:

Nah. myth doesn't have too many settings. They just need to be reorganized

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sphery:

says a guy who doesn't have to test a patch 10,000 times to cover all the combinations of settings

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sphery:

and especially when some of those settings are little more than placebos

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Dagmar:

jblack: Feel free to take a look at the settings code

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Dagmar:

Take a good long look.

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Dagmar:

first things first tho... Make sure all sharp objects and over the counter medication is locked up where you can't get at it first

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[R]:

omg this episode of family guy is hilarious

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Dagmar:

At this point the settings could seriously stand to just be given their own plugin

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wagnerrp:

screw it... its all going in the vimrc

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mishehu:

[R]: family guy is still funny?

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mishehu:

unless it's a rerun, I find it hard to believe.

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[R]:

haha

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wesw02:

Am I mistaken or was there a "release-0-22-fixes" svn branch last week?

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purserj:

22 was released?

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wesw02:

no, but I thought they had branched it

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wesw02:

as it is approaching beta

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jams:

it was removed

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wesw02:

why's that?

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jams:

because it gave people the wrong idea

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wesw02:

?

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wesw02:

really?

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Captain_Murdoch:

wesw02, 0.22 will be perfect and not need any fixes.

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wesw02:

lol

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** wesw02 chuckels **

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sphery:

wait, no one told me that was a requirement... I have a bit of code I wrote I need to revert...

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Captain_Murdoch:

the current thought is to have a -fixes and -plus versions. the -plus version will allow feature backports. -fixes will be strictly bugfixes.

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wesw02:

I see

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wesw02:

interesting, thanks for clearing it up

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** wesw02 is back to building from trunk **

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wagnerrp:

fantastic

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wagnerrp:

i just love it when the act of adding debugging print statements seems to solve your problem

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[R]:

wagnerrp: its all about timing

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wagnerrp:

theres no race condition, theres no timing

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[R]:

weird

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[R]:

and if you remove it it deosnt work/

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wagnerrp:

uh huh

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[R]:

how very odd

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[R]:

sure you its not a timing thing?

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wagnerrp:

almost certain

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[R]:

i work in the embedded work... and 99% of the time, its timing for me... so dunno what to say

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wesw02:

wagnerrp, that actually happened to me about an hour ago. I'm working on a project from one of my concurrent software class (uses forks and pipes). Added a print statement and problem solved.

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[R]:

embedded world*

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[R]:

haha

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oobe:

latest trunk seems to use less ram with mythfrontend

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oobe:

is there a reason for that or is it somthing on my end

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[R]:

you shouldn't be complaining... haha

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wagnerrp:

as compared to earlier versions of trunk? or 0.21?

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oobe:

earlier versions of trunk

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oobe:

mythfrontend was using about 15% of 2GB on startup now it uses 7%

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oobe:

also i cant say yet but before it would go up to around 50% of 2GB after a while of usage and idleing

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sphery:

oobe: how much of a "now"?

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sphery:

like within the last hour or so?

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sphery:

if so http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/22246 may be it

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oobe:

yeah i just built MythTV Version : 22245

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oobe:

lol

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oobe:

im one revision short of the possible reason

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sphery:

ah, so that's not what changed it :)

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oobe:

yea atleast we know that

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oobe:

wait its gone up to 20% after scolling though mythvideo a little

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sphery:

yeah, if you update to current, it shouldn't do that anymore :)

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wagnerrp:

artwork will consume a LOT once it starts caching

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oobe:

i think it may be all my fanart

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sphery:

so, I was right about the reason--though you were wrong about it actually taking less RAM :)

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oobe:

yea lol

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sphery:

right, just update and it won't do that anymore

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oobe:

for some reason mythfrontend is starting with metalurgy no matter what theme i set i.e i changed to any other theme exit mythfrontend then start it again it is now metalurgy again

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oobe:

wierd

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sphery:

oobe: frontend logs?

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oobe:

wait i will pastbine it sphery

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oobe:

theres already somthing to do with version mismatch

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oobe:

i might do a make clean then build again

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oobe:

http://pastebin.ca/1593800

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oobe:

hmm still happening the mismatch error has gone away

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oobe:

perhaps theres somthing wrong with my themes directory

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oobe:

maybe i will remove and reinstall themes

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sphery:

oobe: try starting with mythfrontend -O Theme=Terra

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sphery:

to see if that works

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iamlindoro:

Artifact of broken theme install

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iamlindoro:

clearing out the theme dir in the share dir and reinstalling should clear it up

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wagnerrp:

mmm.... just replaced some 15 lines of code with a single regex

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oobe:

yes that works

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Not on to replacing the FE w/ 1700 lines of perl

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iamlindoro:

er Now

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sphery:

so, if you have a broken theme install, you'd get stuck on whatever theme you had set before?

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wagnerrp:

mush! mush! code!

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sphery:

I thought it would go to Terra (the default theme)

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sphery:

and 1700 should be enough to replace the frontend /and/ backend

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iamlindoro:

Just looking at the "can't find mainmenu.xml" bit in a theme dir, when t's a menu theme file

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sphery:

(OK, maybe you nead 1731)

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iamlindoro:

which IIRC indicates breakage caused by the theme reorg

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sphery:

well, I'll trust you and your knowledge of all things theme-related--I can't think of any way to even make it do what he's seeing, so I definitely don't know

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I could be wrong, it's purely anecdotal

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oobe:

iamlindoro, thats what i tried next i moved my old theme folder somewhere else then made it again then when into trunk and did make install of all the themes

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oobe:

it didnt work

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iamlindoro:

It's pretty much the only thing I am aware of that can cause your issue, but okay

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oobe:

im trying the mythbuntu binaries instead then i will switch back just to see

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** wagnerrp loves the regex **

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jya:

hum some weird thing here... Videos I can play fine with mythavtest.

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jya:

however through mythvideo, even though I'm not using SG, it seems to try through SG anyway: 2009-10–05 16:45:17.337 NVP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: myth://Videos@192.168.10.11:6543//data/videos/Cartoons/Baby Einstein/09BE_BABY_BACH.avi

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oobe:

hey this worked out simple i put my old theme dir back

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oobe:

then deleted metalurgy

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oobe:

then mythfrontend loaded with the last theme i told it to use

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oobe:

now it remembers theme changes

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oobe:

wonder what will happen if i put metalurgy back hmm

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iamlindoro:

jya, You may not be using SGs any more, but that item has something in the host field of videometadata, which is what indicates for it to build the playback URL that way

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oobe:

if i put metalurgy back it happens again

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oobe:

what a pain

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jya:

the only thing I've done (and it worked before) is try using Jamu

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iamlindoro:

oobe, are you using the trunk version of metallurgy? Works fine here

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jya:

could it be that it changes the URL ?

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iamlindoro:

jya, don't know what to tell you, but you/something has set a host value, and no, it doesn't change the URL

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oobe:

yeah its the one in trunk

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wagnerrp:

is that double slash a problem?

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iamlindoro:

No, the double slash is the proof that it's a local path in filename, but a value in host

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oobe:

its not a huge issue for now but it is odd

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jya:

wouldn't doing a scan in the video manager reset that field ?

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iamlindoro:

as it's tacking an absolute path onto the end of the myth URL, which is why SG filename values don't start w/ a slash

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iamlindoro:

jya, no, as the path in filename is valid

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jya:

weird then. I can't play most videos in that folder ...

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iamlindoro:

set host to null and you should be able to play them fine

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iamlindoro:

if you are using no SGs at all, update videometadata set host=""; should do

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jya:

that error I'm seeing is on the remote frontend ... which host value are you referring to?

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iamlindoro:

the value for the field host in videometadata

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iamlindoro:

for the record in question

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jya:

In mythvideo manager, I see the correct path as /data/videos/Cartoons/...

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iamlindoro:

Yes. I know.

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iamlindoro:

Path and host are two different fields, both in videometadata

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jya:

could it be because I scanned the videos on the backend and not the frontend or vice-versa?

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iamlindoro:

No. you will never have anything in host unless you have storage groups set up

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sphery:

oobe: you realize it's a copy of metallurgy in your $HOME/.mythtv/themes directory, right?

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iamlindoro:

or have manually manipulated the DB in some fashion

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sphery:

i.e. if you're installing the trunk one to /usr/ something, you're not using that one

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jya:

sphery: I have my main system install in /usr ; though I am testing an install located in /usr/local/mythtv-trunk ; been working that way for many moons.. never had this issue before...

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jya:

I know what I'm going to do.. remove that folder, do a scan, reinstall the folder ... my daughter is giving me the shit, she gives me peace with baby einstein :)

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sphery:

jya: my comment was meant for oobe

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oobe:

sphery, my $HOME/.mythtv/themes is a symlink to /usr/share/mythtv/themes

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sphery:

I'd recommend getting rid of that--since /usr/share/mythtv/themes is searched for themes, anyway (assuming you installed to /usr , not /usr/local)

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oobe:

i put it there ages ago as workaround

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oobe:

i will remove it and see if it changed anything

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oobe:

didnt change anything

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jya:

iamlindoro: I did try using SG a while ago, then removed it... but why would the remaining videos would still keep a "host" information in the path ?

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iamlindoro:

They wouldn't. But if you had a SG record and then did any DB manipulation to rebuild the absolute paths rather than rescan from scratch, MythVideo can't account for that

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iamlindoro:

but MythVideo *can't* build a record w/ both an absolute path and a Host value-- it's one or the other

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jya:

any magical mysql command to remove all host information from all my videos ?

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iamlindoro:

"<iamlindoro> if you are using no SGs at all, update videometadata set host=""; should do"

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jya:

wierd: Rows matched: 2132 Changed: 6 Warnings: 0

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jya:

only 6 videos like, would have thought it's on all of them

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[R]:

with SG for mythvideo

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[R]:

can i have a local dir on the frontend, and a dir on the backend wit hteh SG?

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jya:

you can as long as they are not pointing to the same directory, or you'll see the SG only

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[R]:

mmm

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[R]:

i really want to get a remote frontend

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[R]:

and stick all my hardware in a closet

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jya:

why does this matter regarding where you store your video ?

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[R]:

in one situation, i have videos on my frontend and my backend

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[R]:

in another, i have no hard drive in the frontend

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jya:

and? SG or not you can mount directories from one machine to another

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justinh:

it makes no difference whether you have a HDD in a frontend machine or not

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[R]:

avoiding mounting extraneous nfs mounts

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justinh:

so use SGs then

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[R]:

well tahts what i'm finding out

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justinh:

not that it's a big hassle to mount shares :-\

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[R]:

in my irrational mind... streaming from the backend has less overhead than nfs

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justinh:

pfft

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jya:

probably the other way round ...

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[R]:

i said irrational

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[R]:

yeah?

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justinh:

unless you use samba there's not much 'overhead' anyway

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justinh:

in terms of network streamed video you have little to worry about in bandwidth terms unless you're trying to use a crap wireless connection

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justinh:

the word 'crap' was probably extraneous there ;)

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gnarface:

nfs is quite efficient. samba has throughput issues that might limit you to something below high-def

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[R]:

but nfs is older than me!

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[R]:

it must be iniffiecent

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justinh:

on a 100mbit network? meh

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[R]:

ahha

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jya:

TCP/IP is also older than you with that logic

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jya:

should stop using the internet

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[R]:

HAHA

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gnarface:

the wheel is old

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gnarface:

fire is old

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gnarface:

electricity is old

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gnarface:

screws, levers, pulleys

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[R]:

well, in an ideal situation it'll be a diskless frontend

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[R]:

so it'll have an nfs root

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[R]:

so whats an nfs videos dir i guess

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jya:

I would trust more a code/protocol that has been in use for several decades, than a brand new one that just came out

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justinh:

or just make symlinks ;)

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gnarface:

[R]: depends on if you have a mixed-network. the new linux nfs stuff is rather good. the mac implementation is compatible but freaking buggy

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[R]:

all linux

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gnarface:

good for you

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jya:

never had an issue with NFS on mac ... same code as FreeBSD ;

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gnarface:

i would instinctively suspect that ata-over-ethernet would be even faster than nfs but i've not actually tried it

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gnarface:

jya: same code my ass

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justinh:

like nfs is slow

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gnarface:

they added bugs

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[R]:

i want to try out that mythbuntu stuff that sets up remote frontend nfs stuff automatically

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justinh:

why? NFS is not hard to set up

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jya:

unless they've changed since 10.4; the nfs portion in Darwin used in 10.4 had BSD license all over

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[R]:

i never swaid it was

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justinh:

the trickiest part about getting a diskless frontend working is selecting the right boot image

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[R]:

i'm just on the fence between using PXE or sticking a usb stick for the kernel/ramdisk

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justinh:

six of one, half a dozen of the other

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[R]:

wel with a usb stick, i can shutdown my backend

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[R]:

and have it WOL it before it tries to mount the nfs

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gnarface:

jya: havn't tried the pre 10.4 stuff. also didn't have problems till it had to work with non-mac systems

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justinh:

all this fuss about trying to save trees. meh

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[R]:

who cares about trees... its all about money

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justinh:

that too :P

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gnarface:

jya: the problem was limited to stability issues during sustained multi-terabyte transfers. its not the type of thing you'd notice unless you were really really trying

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jya:

I have a NFS folder mounted from my mac to linux server ... getting very good performance

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justinh:

if you want to save money, STOP USING COMPUTERS for jobs rented boxes can do

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[R]:

justinh: except for the fact that it's complete and utter crap

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[R]:

justinh: it makes me cry everytime i use it and i look over at my myth box that is turned off

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clever:

[R]: with the amazon cloud computing, you can get powerfull stuff rented on an hourly rate

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[R]:

clever: haha... pay hourly to use my mythbox?

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gnarface:

clever: but you can get a better price on raw bandwidth at server beach

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jya:

http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/NFS/NFS-42/nfsd/main.c

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jya:

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clever:

[R]: for myth, you would still need local hardware to capture and play

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[R]:

clever: exacty

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clever:

[R]: and massive bandwidth

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clever:

but with the cloud stuff, you could rent 10tb of disk space:P

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gnarface:

jya: i believe you i'm just saying they found a way to introduce bugs anyway, maybe at the kernel level, and i half suspect they did it on purpose. the freeBSD servers didn't exhibit the same problem

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jya:

I've always had issues with NFS between linux and anything else.

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gnarface:

it was linux

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gnarface:

but linux->linux and linux->freebsd did *not* have the same problem

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jya:

I have to mount freebsd exported share on linux using particular options

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jya:

no, freebsd -> linux will however

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gnarface:

so it could have been hardware related too. those broadcom gigabit ethernet cards weren't ever known for quality

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justinh:

nothing broadcom is known for its quality :P

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[R]:

100mpbs is good enough for myth right?

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gnarface:

[R]: dvd content is never over 10mbps

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justinh:

[R]: for most mere motals

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justinh:

*mortals

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[R]:

i'd have 2 frontends... but never at the same time

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justinh:

depends. you do the sums. 100 / (number of frontends / max bitrate of video) – overhead)

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[R]:

i actually dont even know what speeds i'm gonna get

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gnarface:

i'd imagine you'd be fine until you were watching more than 7 or so simultaneous streams

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[R]:

i'm moving into a 2 year old house

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[R]:

i'd imagine they used quality cables

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justinh:

in theory there's enough bandwidth on a 100mbit network for 6 frontends all watching HDTV at < 15mbits/sec

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justinh:

powerline ethernet?

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[R]:

no, regular

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justinh:

a house that comes with ethernet in the walls?!

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[R]:

yeah

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[R]:

lots of new construction does it

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justinh:

ducking hell

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justinh:

not in the UK they don't

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gnarface:

not in the US either that i've seen

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[R]:

that sucks

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[R]:

i've seen a bunch of places that did

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gnarface:

where do you live [R]? san jose?

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[R]:

phoenix

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gnarface:

fascinating

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justinh:

heh. well, even *cheap* crap cable is gonna get you pretty damn near 100mbit over those kind of distances

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gnarface:

new construction with a clue

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justinh:

unless they were total idiots & put nails through the wires

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[R]:

haha

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gnarface:

or connected the ends wrong

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gnarface:

as long as the cables are crimped right anything cat5 should be 100mbit

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gnarface:

no question

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justinh:

yeah if they didn't mix pairs it'll be good enough

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justinh:

I want to put a new conduit in my house going between upstairs & downstairs. Just didn't pull enough wires through the last time I did it

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justinh:

heh. clueless dolts are talking about aitchdee at work again

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justinh:

Currys & Sky fanboys. They obviously get paid too much

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Gumby:

if I have an old mythcoverg db on a filesystem (/var/lib/mysql/mythconverg) is it possible to mount it and use it? (and would anyone happen to know a howto on doing this)

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[R]:

mount?

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Gumby:

perhaps mount is the wrong word. I am not sure what the correct word is

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gnarface:

its just a mysql database right?

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gnarface:

you should be able to recover it just like any other mysql database

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justinh:

better to have actual SQL

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Gumby:

I have a whole bunch of recorded movies from an old mythtv install, and instead of opening each and trying to figure out what they are in order to rename them, I was hoping to use the old DB

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justinh:

you should have exported the old db first. much easier

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Gumby:

gnarface: I have the MYI, MYD files etc

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Gumby:

I could install the HDD into a system and boot from it, it should work just fine. I just already have the disk hooked up and xfering other data so I thought I could give it a shot while I wait

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Gumby:

justinh: and I agree.. it would have been much easier

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justinh:

it's probably possible to recover the database from those files but I'd personally opt for the much easier option of exporting the data from it in its native state ;)

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gnarface:

Gumby: you should probably take justinh's advice. extracting the data manually with mysqldump or something is probably going to teach you more about mysql than you want to know

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gnarface:

also i have no idea what i'm talking about

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Gumby:

gnarface: mysqldump really wont teach me anything

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Gumby:

lol

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justinh:

mysqldump is actually what you'll need to use

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Gumby:

yes, I know. its just not going to teach me anything

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Gumby:

hehe

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justinh:

boot it up, dump the database to a handy location as SQL, then you can do what you like with it

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Gumby:

now figuring out how to use the mysql files from the filesystem.. now that'd be learning something ;)

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justinh:

the raw files are probably usable but I personally wouldn't advise going down that road

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justinh:

making a rod for your own back, more like

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Gumby:

I'll give it a shot once these files are down xfering

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justinh:

drinking a cup of tea is too easy. I know, I'll do it while in a straightjacket hanging over a ravine from a bungee cord

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Gumby:

should be pretty easy

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wagnerrp:

but the crumpets, now that takes skill

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Gumby:

justinh: I agree that the mysqldump is by far the easiest. I just have to wait until these files are done

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gnarface:

cat [dumped sql file] |mysql [database name]

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gnarface:

right?

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Gumby:

and while I wait, I figured I'd see if there were other options

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gnarface:

you gotta create the database first probably

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justinh:

gnarface: not really

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gnarface:

no?

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justinh:

that's what I said

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Gumby:

its probably easier to copy the files into /var/lib/mysql/dbname and then do a recovery on the db

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justinh:

your funeral

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Gumby:

I mean, easier than what gnarface suggested

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justinh:

why even fucking bother asking for advice if you're just fucking going to IGNORE what you're told?!

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Gumby:

not easier than mysqldump

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Gumby:

hey, Im not ignoring a damn thing. Quit being so uptight.

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justinh:

oh shut it

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Gumby:

as I've mentioned multiple times already.. I am sitting and waiting for files to xfer

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Gumby:

man. that guy needs to go to anger management class

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Gumby:

why must people get so worked up over so little

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gnarface:

i don't know but i've been noticing it a lot more lately

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gnarface:

and i don't mean in this room

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Gumby:

maybe its the economy

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Gumby:

lol

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gnarface:

probably mostly related at least

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gnarface:

the thing about mysqldump i think is that it will more reliably cross version numbers and reconstruct certain stuff

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gnarface:

i'm not sure entirely all the caveats because they're mysql version specific and also table-type specific

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gnarface:

and even sometimes character set and config specific, i think

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Gumby:

shouldnt be much of an issue. its from the same versions of ubuntu

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gnarface:

but i know that just copying the db files as files is like, the most fragile possible way to do it

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Gumby:

oh I completely agree

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Gumby:

but could be fun to try as a wait. not like I cant make a backup

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Gumby:

oh.. I wait no longer. the xfer is done. time to plunk that hdd into another system

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justinh:

some pepople have a strange idea what fun is :P

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Gumby:

learning is fun :)

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Gumby:

and I'd be bound to learn something along the way

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Gumby:

in fact, I might just create a copy of the filesystem and try it anyhow ;)

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justinh:

I doubt it. If it works you won't really learn anything. if it doesn't work, you'll learn that you wasted time trying it

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Gumby:

could come in handy some day

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Gumby:

justinh: you have an awfully bleek outlook on things it seems

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justinh:

just realistic

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justinh:

I see people taking uneccessarily hard routes here (and failing) all the time

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justinh:

besides, it's a freaking monday morning. WTF do you expect?

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justinh:

we can't all be grinning happy happy advocates like the canonical crew y'know. The scientologists of the OSS world :)

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Gumby:

say this disk was not bootable. then what? say I only had the frm, MYDand MYI files? I think having the ability to move the files to another disk and recover the DB could be quite useful then

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Gumby:

lol justdave

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Gumby:

err

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Gumby:

justinh

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justinh:

then your only recourse would be the other way

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gnarface:

Gumby: you're right but knowing how to pipe a mysql dump to the mysql command-line binary is also very useful information

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justinh:

you don't need to pipe it

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Gumby:

so why not try it now before instead of waiting until it happens? Agreed, its probably not likely to happen.. and mysqldump is by far preferred and what I WILL use to dump and recover the data... but I see nothing wrong with trying the other way as long as I am not risking losing the data

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justinh:

make damn sure you back up the existing database files first

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justinh:

and for pete's sakes stop mysql before you do anything

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justinh:

if the mysql version hasn't changed, if it's the same charset etc it'll probably go smoothly.

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gnarface:

justinh: i'd always piped it. whats the other way?

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justinh:

mysql -u $user -p$password file.sql

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gnarface:

oh

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gnarface:

duh

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justinh:

same thing really but...

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gnarface:

makes sense

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gnarface:

i wonder why i always piped

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justinh:

never seen that anywhere

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gnarface:

maybe you had to back in mysql 3.23?

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justinh:

bloody linux heads :)

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gnarface:

i like piping stuff

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Gumby:

lol

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gnarface:

stdin is one of my favorite things

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gnarface:

some time i'll show you my tar pipe netcat backup solution

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Gumby:

looks like the other machine booted up flawlessly

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justinh:

I have no preference either way

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justinh:

gnarface: I'll pass, if it's all the same to you

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gnarface:

hehehe

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justinh:

I back up my database & some config files. After that, I'd just reinstall the OS. Faster

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gnarface:

i used to pipe tar stdout to tar stdin locally before i figured out thats what rsync is for

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** gnarface was raised by wolves **

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Gumby:

bah. looks like this DB isnt from those files anyhow.

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Gumby:

recorded is the table that holds the data for all things recorded to disk correct?

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justinh:

aye

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Gumby:

oh well.. back to square 1 of renaming them all manually by watching the first few minutes ;)

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justinh:

sounds like fun :P

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Gumby:

lol

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Gumby:

well.. um..no

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gnarface:

wait why can't you just copy the files AND the database over and just have the same data set as on the old system?

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gnarface:

i must have missed that part

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justinh:

so erm.. where do you think the files are from if they don't agree with the database?

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Gumby:

well, if the DB was the right DB then I assume it could work with a bit of effort. But it appears to not be the case. I must have at some point dropped the DB

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Gumby:

justinh: more than likely an older install

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Gumby:

at that point and time I figured I'd just whipe all the data. now, I want to keep some of the recorded movies

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Gumby:

generally I create a dump of the DB but I guess I did not that time

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justinh:

sounds like you need to get your house in order. I can just back up my db, config files & put a new / drive in, install the OS, compile mythtv, mount the recordings/media/db backup, squirt the db back in place & I'm done :)

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gnarface:

hmm. yes, organization is key

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gnarface:

however there might still be a solution to this

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Gumby:

justinh: I'm working on that.

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Gumby:

gnarface: I dont have the DB.

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Gumby:

plain and simple

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justinh:

seems silly to have wiped it if you were going to reinstall with a different HDD anyway

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Gumby:

I had too much stuff spread across too many machines

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gnarface:

justinh: i don't suppose mythtv tags the files in any way does it? similar to id3 tags on mp3s?

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Gumby:

justinh: I cant remember the reasoning exactly. But it was more than likely I blew away the OS partition and kept the recordings partiton

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justinh:

mpeg2 files do not support tagging

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Gumby:

justinh: lets just say there was no valid reasoning behind the process

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justinh:

heh

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Gumby:

at that point I dont think I cared about the data in my recordings dir

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justinh:

last time for me was less than simple. I needed to rsync stuff to new HDDs first

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gnarface:

Gumby: you shall now suffer for your sins

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Gumby:

gnarface: lol, indeed

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Gumby:

I just moved, I had satellite before so I had lots of movies at my fingertips. My dish isnt setup yet so I have no movies

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Gumby:

however at one point in time I did set mythtv to record anything tagged as a movie from my satellite

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Gumby:

so I have a tonne of shows I havent watched

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Gumby:

I had 4 dvb tuners going 24hrs on end for quite awhile

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gnarface:

i'm jealous

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Gumby:

yeah well.. look at all the work I have to do now

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Gumby:

unless I just watch a random file when I want to watch a movie

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Gumby:

hehe

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Gumby:

then rename it afterwards until I am through them all

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Gumby:

lol

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gnarface:

i still use my tivo because the only spare machines i have around here that can be located in reach of the line have the cursed via/nforce chips in them

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Gumby:

mmmmm, via

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Gumby:

hehe

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Gumby:

I still have to figure out why I am going to do with my PCs. I need to move my webserver to a better box, and I need to re-create a media storage box

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Dagmar:

Okay, so the first step would be to count roles, and then count disks.

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Gumby:

But I also just moved and have a lot of things to take care of that is in real life and not digital life

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Dagmar:

Same here, which is why I've got 2Tb sitting next to me off right now

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Dagmar:

...although I did just put all the drives back in it.

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Gumby:

hehe. I think I need to pick up a sata controller also. 2x650GB, 2x250GB, 2x500GB

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Gumby:

all sitting unused

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Gumby:

actually, I think one machine I have may have 6 sata controllers in it

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Gumby:

oh.. I also have a 300GB IDE

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Gumby:

I should maybe sell some of the smaller drivers and get a few 1.5TB ones

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Gumby:

drivers/drives

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

you'd have to sell quite a few drives to fetch the price of a 1TB drive even

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Dagmar:

You use the smallest ones as the OS drives for hosts.

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Gumby:

yeah, I dont mind. Its a PITA running out of disk space. And I dont want to go to LVM or RAID0

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justinh:

though if you manage to, let me know who the idiots are & I'll offer some of mine

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Gumby:

lol

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Dagmar:

...cuz god knows you can set up one hell of a Linux system on even a 100Gb drive

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Dagmar:

Gumby: LVM is a godsend if you have a lot of little disks.

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justinh:

my laptop's linux partition is 10GB

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Gumby:

Dagmar: yeah, until one fails

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Dagmar:

Disks fail.

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Gumby:

I lost all my music that way

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Gumby:

I dont think I'll go that route again

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Dagmar:

The odds of one in a span arrangement failing are slightly different than a single drive, but the end result is no different than having part of a disk go bad

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Dagmar:

...although it does make recovering the data on the undamaged "parts" of the disk a crapload easier.

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Dagmar:

Add new disk to volume, mark bad disk as bad in the group, prod LVM to move whatever it can out of there.

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Gumby:

i could create an LVM with the smaller ones and then get a large one as a backup drive for the array

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Dagmar:

...or start backing up chunks to DVD and sticking 'em in a binder.

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Gumby:

lol

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Dagmar:

i.e., a "real" nonvolatile backup

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Gumby:

PAINFUL!

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justinh:

found a disc I wrote 10 years ago is still readable. I was surprised

[08:24:07]

Gumby:

ok... 1:30am. time for me to sleep. Nice chatting with y'all.

[08:25:11]

Gumby:

oh... quick question before I leave. Whats the best analog tuner going these days (and how does it compare to PVR 150/250)?

[08:25:28]

justinh:

there ain't one

[08:25:39]

justinh:

not a pure analogue tuner with mpeg2 encoder anyway

[08:25:50]

justinh:

it's all about the 'hybrid' tuners now

[08:25:51]

Gumby:

how about the hybrids? like pvr-1800

[08:26:05]

justinh:

hvr1800 – no analogue worky in loonix

[08:26:24]

Gumby:

my pvr 150/250 get a grainy signal on my cable connection (while my TV doesnt)

[08:26:37]

Gumby:

was hoping there might be something with a better tuner

[08:26:39]

justinh:

grainy? needs a signal amp then

[08:26:44]

justinh:

split too many ways

[08:26:44]

Gumby:

not all channels are grainy. some are fine

[08:26:49]

justinh:

yup

[08:26:52]

justinh:

same answer

[08:26:54]

Gumby:

hrm... I have one.. I'll try it out

[08:27:07]

Dagmar:

You *might* have picked the wrong freq table, but better signal would be the thing to go for first.

[08:27:08]

Gumby:

where does it have to be put?

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Dagmar:

Gumby: As far up the line as possible

[08:27:33]

Dagmar:

The idea being to amplify the signal *before* it is subjected to any sources of interference.

[08:27:35]

Gumby:

this is a new house, but I think the lines are weird.

[08:27:47]

Gumby:

cool, I figured so.. but it cant hurt to ask :)

[08:27:47]

Dagmar:

Could be. It could also be they're just split too many times.

[08:28:02]

Dagmar:

If you put the amp close to the demarc point on the side of the house (where the cable comes in) that would be best.

[08:28:12]

Gumby:

I think its split just once, but I have no idea what has gone on in the atic

[08:28:19]

Dagmar:

If your cable company is nice, they might even install one for you for a tiny fee.

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Gumby:

these amps are powered correcT?

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Dagmar:

You could have squirrel pee soaking one end

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Gumby:

I have one that is powe3red

[08:28:49]

Dagmar:

Yes, they'll be powered.

[08:29:00]

Dagmar:

One that isn't should be called a "choke"

[08:29:02]

Dagmar:

hehe

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Gumby:

hehe, ok. thx for all the info guys

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Gumby:

sleep time

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[09:06:17]

mindoms:

there is a new channel here in austria, but there is no channel-icon available for automatic download. is it legal to just grab a pic from their website, and submit it to mythtv ?

[09:07:08]

justinh:

depends on their terms of use

[09:08:21]

mindoms:

okay, i just found the icon on http://www.lyngsat-logo.com ... would that one be legal?

[09:08:48]

justinh:

all the existing ones are pulled down from thre AFAIK

[09:09:45]

justinh:

wish they'd bother providing decent quality logo images

[09:12:28]

jduggan_:

installed mythweb over the weekend, havent used it for a long time, nice to see flash player :)

[09:13:01]

mindoms:

hm. im running .0.21-fixes from ubuntu. but it doesnt grab the icon...

[09:13:06]

justinh:

does it obey the aspect ratio now?

[09:13:23]

quicksil1er:

what's the odds that a power cut two weeks ago corrupted one table and one table only – recordedseek – so I get back from my holiday to discover none of my recent recordings have seek tables.

[09:13:25]

justinh:

mindoms: FWIW I wouldn't worry about it. Just specify it yourself

[09:13:54]

justinh:

quicksil1er: it's easily the table with the most entries. Logical ;)

[09:13:56]

quicksil1er:

I really should get mysqlcheck running at startup

[09:14:02]

quicksil1er:

justinh: yeah, I guess that makes sense.

[09:14:08]

mindoms:

right. just thought it would be nice if others wouldnt have to bother

[09:14:12]

Dagmar:

Absolutely.

[09:14:22]

Dagmar:

It's a _great_ time to check the database.

[09:14:34]

** quicksil1er wonders if mysql has a journalling option like a real database yet **

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[09:14:55]

Dagmar:

...because basically, you don't have anything else that checks whether or not the system even went down cleanly beyond an fsck in most distros

[09:15:40]

Dagmar:

If my tables come up foul, my system won't bother going further with starting.

[09:15:59]

justinh:

all the times I've ever had db corruption bar one (and that was a case of / becoming full & mysql really crapping itself) have been the recordseek table

[09:16:00]

quicksilver:

fortunately those kind folks at mythcommflag gave us a rebuild option so hopefully all my seek tables are now revived.

[09:16:04]

Dagmar:

It just backs up the mess, and restores the last sane backup, and starts hollering at me with emails

[09:16:23]

justinh:

I don't read emails :)

[09:16:32]

Dagmar:

I have gmail

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justinh:

never bothered to set up mail on a linux box. Like ever

[09:16:56]

justinh:

sending or receiving

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Dagmar:

It's actually not that hard to get even sendmail punting out emails to you with SMTP AUTH

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justinh:

wonder if ubuntu even bothers sending admin emails out as standard

[09:17:46]

Dagmar:

I doubt it since they try their damnedest not to invoke root as a user

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justinh:

not sure it's a 'proper' distro in that regard

[09:18:28]

justinh:

might bite the bullet soon & get my backend twattering about $stuff.

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Dagmar:

I can see 'em tweakin' a few things so that such mails as would be generated would instead go to the first user account spool created

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justinh:

lol bash: elm: command not found

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justinh:

I prolly have a massive backlog of such important messages on my backend machine, if it does any of that automagically

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_ben:

mm, you know mythwelcome – if you hit 'i' and you get some options to configure, I can't actually navigate between the options? anyone experienced this?

[09:26:17]

justinh:

I don't know mythwelcome. I saw it once & quit out of it

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_ben:

:)

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[09:33:50]

justinh:

and wtf is all this gvfsd-burn something has left lying around?

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[09:38:47]

justinh:

quick scan around the net has found me forum posts where people think they have a lot of spare gvfsd related processes running. me, I've got pages of the damn things

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matey:

weird

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[09:43:06]

matey:

i have a pip

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matey:

but i got only one tuner card

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matey:

whats up with that

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justinh:

multirec

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justinh:

thanks to the miracle of digital broadcasting, more than one channel can be broadcast on a given frequency

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matey:

oh

[09:44:43]

matey:

thats crazy

[09:44:48]

justinh:

not really

[09:45:03]

matey:

that i didnt know about that

[09:45:15]

** justinh has his backend set to allow 5 simultaneous recordings per tuner, with 3 such tuners :D **

[09:45:25]

matey:

hmmm

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justinh:

and I still get conflicts occasionally. heh

[09:45:40]

matey:

well

[09:45:44]

justinh:

the default setting is two per tuner

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matey:

its some teleshopping crap channel

[09:46:11]

justinh:

so?

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matey:

how can i change the channel in pip?

[09:46:37]

justinh:

maybe the manual says how

[09:47:34]

justinh:

whee. kill off a few really old idle gvsfd related processes & the system becomes much faster again. must be freenx not shutting things down properly :-\

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justinh:

multirec was probably the most confusing thing to affect live tv viewing in mythtv. Good job I don't use it

[09:51:18]

_ben:

whats confusing about it?

[09:51:20]

simonckenyon:

i would have thought that it was essential in a DVB-T setup

[09:51:52]

matey:

why you dont use it?

[09:52:24]

justinh:

I use multirec. Don't use live tv

[09:53:52]

matey:

you mean you rather record two channels at the same time than to watch two at the same time?

[09:54:57]

justinh:

I mean I'd rather watch something live directly through my cable box or TV's own tuner than use livetv in myth

[09:55:58]

simonckenyon:

i only have a BE in my bedroom (no TV) – so (at least there) live-tv is the only game in town

[09:56:16]

matey:

whats a BE?

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justinh:

95% of stuff I watch is recorded ahead of time though

[09:56:21]

matey:

im confused

[09:56:24]

justinh:

backend

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matey:

oh

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simonckenyon:

i meant frontend (not backend) – sorry

[09:57:10]

justinh:

damn you, with your pesky two letter acronyms!

[09:57:22]

matey:

yeah

[09:57:30]

simonckenyon:

not my acronym

[09:58:55]

simonckenyon:

i was watching a film last night and noticed (hard not to) that it started to judder after about an hour – is this something that is known about?

[09:59:33]

simonckenyon:

this was using storage groups and streaming from the backend

[09:59:35]

justinh:

you need to disable the 'judder after about an hour' setting

[10:00:16]

simonckenyon:

i tried that – but could not find the magic switch – probably not been translated into english yet (from klingon)

[10:00:19]

justinh:

either that or provide some details, rather than just say "started to judder"

[10:00:39]

simonckenyon:

will grab logs tonight

[10:00:50]

justinh:

log output perhaps, or at least a better description :)

[10:01:04]

justinh:

can't say I've noticed any problems here

[10:01:24]

justinh:

the odd time it did was ubuntu's retarded CPU freq scaling – which i've since disabled

[10:01:46]

simonckenyon:

it is something new – but i've just moved over to storage groups.

[10:01:54]

justinh:

video would freeze, audio would continue then the video would eventually catch up

[10:02:00]

justinh:

trunk?

[10:02:16]

justinh:

wireless networking?

[10:02:34]

simonckenyon:

trunk – this is more like the frame rate goes way down – gigabit copper between the two

[10:02:55]

justinh:

I doubt SGs have much to do with it

[10:03:11]

matey:

sg?

[10:03:17]

matey:

oh

[10:03:19]

justinh:

storage groups

[10:03:20]

matey:

storage groups

[10:03:22]

matey:

ya

[10:03:33]

justinh:

damn these two letter acronyms again

[10:03:34]

simonckenyon:

pausing and resuming sometimes works – other times, going back a bit and then skipping forward works to fix it

[10:03:44]

justinh:

so bloodyhard to work out what they mean :P

[10:04:03]

simonckenyon:

damn storage groups – don't work with ISO rips

[10:05:45]

justinh:

they stream files, not file systems ;)

[10:06:05]

matey:

i got this dvb-s set up here at my parents, i wish i had that in my own apt too :(

[10:06:08]

matey:

booo hoo

[10:06:15]

simonckenyon:

the rips are single files

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simonckenyon:

FWIW if you register at http://www.dvbshop24.net/index.php you can get tuners pretty cheap

[10:10:34]

justinh:

yeah but the iso is like a filesystem which has to be unpicked

[10:10:35]

matey:

i cant set up a sattelite dish

[10:10:41]

matey:

:(

[10:11:08]

matey:

meaning im not allowed to

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simonckenyon:

justinh: sounds like an encapsulation problem (or lack thereof)

[10:11:33]

simonckenyon:

matey: not allowed to?

[10:11:52]

matey:

its a rented apartment

[10:12:01]

justinh:

there are ways & means

[10:12:10]

justinh:

a dish never has to be permanently mounted

[10:12:26]

justinh:

you can do it 'temporarily but sturdily', with some imagination

[10:12:52]

justinh:

assuming there's somewhere you can put it of course

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matey:

i got a window sill

[10:13:06]

matey:

but theres a tree

[10:13:14]

justinh:

I used to rent, and the landlord had no objection to people adding dishes

[10:13:21]

justinh:

just means you have to ask first

[10:13:29]

simonckenyon:

matey: see the "tv without frontiers" EU legislation – an apartment owner cannot block a dish

[10:13:31]

_ben:

there's not really that much on freesat anyhow

[10:13:41]

justinh:

prolly means having to leave it when you move but hey ho

[10:13:49]

simonckenyon:

or get one of those flat plate dishs.

[10:13:52]

justinh:

there's FA on freesat that we can't get on freeview anyway

[10:14:03]

justinh:

and don't say BBCHD

[10:14:06]

_ben:

;)

[10:14:19]

_ben:

doesn't really warrant the hassle tbh

[10:14:35]

justinh:

not at *all* IMHO

[10:15:04]

matey:

hmm

[10:15:06]

justinh:

I'm a big fat nonbeliever in HD. Everybody has thus far failed to sell it to me on any level

[10:15:35]

simonckenyon:

i assume you have done picture comparisons

[10:15:46]

justinh:

not in any rush to upgrade to a bigger telly when less than 20% of broadcast content is native HD

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matey:

theres a tree

[10:16:06]

matey:

i think thats not good

[10:16:18]

matey:

i wish i could test the reception

[10:16:30]

simonckenyon:

you mean that there is a tree in the line of sight for a dish?

[10:16:33]

justinh:

plus LCD TVs look piss poor compared to a CRT the same size

[10:16:42]

matey:

yeah simonckenyon

[10:16:42]

justinh:

matey: so you need a chainsaw aswell :D

[10:17:08]

matey:

its a really old one

[10:17:14]

matey:

i bet id be in trouble

[10:17:21]

simonckenyon:

check on satpointer.com – a lot of times people think that it is not possible when it is.

[10:17:26]

justinh:

it must be old if it's high enough to get in the way ;)

[10:17:37]

matey:

i live on second floor

[10:17:47]

matey:

and its a lot higher than the house

[10:18:14]

matey:

satpointer sounds cool

[10:18:18]

matey:

i was about to ask

[10:18:34]

matey:

how to tell from google maps

[10:19:09]

simonckenyon:

well you learnt something today – and if you have a iphone there is an app which uses the camera and shows you where the sat is

[10:19:50]

justinh:

if you have an iphone you have more disposable income than me

[10:19:52]

justinh:

:P

[10:20:08]

simonckenyon:

borrow one from a friend

[10:20:31]

justinh:

the only friend of mine who owns an iphone lives in london

[10:20:38]

matey:

i got an iphone

[10:20:46]

simonckenyon:

well there you go

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[10:21:22]

matey:

is that like this augmented reality stuff?

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simonckenyon:

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simonckenyon:

correct on the augmented reality

[10:21:44]

matey:

thatd be ass cheap

[10:23:20]

matey:

dishpointer says im good, but im afraid of the tree

[10:23:20]

justinh:

heh only 22 deg elevation for astra from my house. maybe not enough to clear our remaining tree

[10:23:48]

simonckenyon:

http://www.dishpointer.com/2009/augmented-rea . . . lite-finder/

[10:24:10]

simonckenyon:

sorry – i got the wrong site – there are two (satpointer and dishpointer)

[10:24:18]

matey:

you need to update the iphone os or so

[10:24:23]

matey:

and i cant do that

[10:24:29]

matey:

cause its jailbroken

[10:24:31]

matey:

not yet

[10:24:47]

matey:

elevation 29.6

[10:24:54]

matey:

what exactly does that mean?

[10:25:18]

justinh:

means you have to tilt the dish 29.6 degrees upwards

[10:26:03]

simonckenyon:

that is the angle from horizontal that the sat is in

[10:26:06]

matey:

i need like a free line

[10:26:11]

matey:

in that angle

[10:26:19]

simonckenyon:

yes

[10:26:22]

matey:

like upwards

[10:26:25]

simonckenyon:

yes

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matey:

its a challenge

[10:27:11]

simonckenyon:

go to the equater at 28.2E and draw a line straight up for 28k miles. that is where the sat is

[10:27:23]

simonckenyon:

or is it 32k.

[10:27:46]

matey:

im .de, not .uk

[10:27:51]

matey:

i use 19.2e

[10:28:12]

simonckenyon:

ok – but same principle

[10:28:16]

matey:

ya

[10:28:48]

matey:

actually im lucky with the location of the window at least

[10:29:19]

justinh:

you can actually get dish mounts for glass these days. blimmin big suckers

[10:30:55]

matey:

hehe

[10:30:56]

matey:

yeah

[10:31:12]

matey:

thats actually a good idea

[10:31:38]

matey:

i could place it on top of the window

[10:31:47]

matey:

like on the upper part

[10:32:07]

matey:

i think my english is deteriorating

[10:32:54]

matey:

man i live under the biggest fucking tree on the block

[10:33:05]

simonckenyon:

lidl or aldi sell sat kits for caravans/camping – they come with a sticker

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justinh:

anyway, if you approach your landlord the right way, maybe they could split the install costs with you

[10:33:37]

justinh:

it's gonna be a selling point

[10:33:44]

matey:

well no

[10:33:54]

matey:

i tried already

[10:34:12]

matey:

the result was, he locked the door to the roof

[10:34:12]

simonckenyon:

or try a dish behind the window – it the glass is not lead based – it could work

[10:34:23]

matey:

so i cant even go upstairs anymore

[10:34:45]

matey:

theres plastic stuff on the window

[10:34:49]

matey:

like a grid

[10:34:49]

justinh:

most modern glazing is 'K' glass. Good luck getting > 2Ghz through that

[10:34:53]

matey:

for decoration

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justinh:

plastic doesn't affect radio :)

[10:35:06]

matey:

but i could place it outside

[10:35:16]

matey:

with the sucky suckers

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simonckenyon:

also look at http://www.sateuropa.co.uk/product_overview.a . . . amp;subcat=2

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justinh:

that's the only snag. the suckers might turn out to be.. well, sucky

[10:36:07]

matey:

i know those from car navis

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matey:

they work pretty well

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matey:

its like super glue

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justinh:

my experience of car sat nav mounts has been er.. different :P

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matey:

hehe

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justinh:

wtf? smartcard splitters?!

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matey:

i can split smartcards

[10:38:24]

justinh:

fibre LNBs?!

[10:38:29]

matey:

with an axe

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justinh:

ahem. don't talk about that here

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oobe:

i have myth weather configured to use si units but it still displays the farenhiet number with the celsius symbol

[10:38:57]

justinh:

just seen wireless smartcard splitters on a website

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simonckenyon:

http://www.sateuropa.co.uk/product_overview.a . . . amp;subcat=2

[10:39:28]

justinh:

Optical LNB stuff though.. jees I'm out of touch

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simonckenyon:

don't work with murdovision

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justinh:

simonckenyon: who wants that anyway?

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justinh:

I'm just amazed the stuff exists

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matey:

yeah

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matey:

i checked such a thing out yesterday

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matey:

if i get one, then itll be one like that

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matey:

its not that small tho

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justinh:

transparent dishes? wtf?!

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matey:

50 cm

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matey:

not transparent, the white box one

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justinh:

duh

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matey:

im not getting a transparent dish

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justinh:

I'm not looking at yours

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matey:

sounds like james bond

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matey:

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matey:

i really hope it works

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justinh:

WTF is up with people sending me MSGS unannounced lately?

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justinh:

time to reconfigure irssi to stop that

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matey:

make a script: please go to www.freeporn.com/xyz and pass the captcha test, your request to chat with me is going to be processed within 24h

[10:49:20]

justinh:

nah I just put MSGs from * on ignore

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justinh:

if anything's worth talking about it can be done in channel

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justinh:

heh would I want to buy kit from a supplier who mis-spells 'clearance' ?

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_ben:

absolutely

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justinh:

bet they pronounce 'digital' as 'didge-ickle'

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matey:

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matey:

dont make fun of dyslexics and immigrants, its not worse than my inability to do 7th grade math

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justinh:

I wasn't making fun of anyone

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simonckenyon:

sorry – not used to kvirc

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justinh:

and it's around 1.61m

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matey:

oh thanks

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matey:

and i wasnt really serious

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justinh:

oops. 1.15m

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matey:

hm 1.15 is bad

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justinh:

http://www.carbidedepot.com/formulas-trigright.asp

[10:57:02]

justinh:

I can't do this stuff either. I forgot a long time ago

[10:57:14]

justinh:

but I know how to find tools to help :D

[10:57:26]

justinh:

which is really what *real* *life* is all about

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justinh:

matey: I know people have trouble with spelling & stuff, but there's help these days

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justinh:

plus I expect a certain level of competency from professionals

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matey:

well yes

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matey:

and you can consider it as some sort of natural election that you dont buy from them

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justinh:

maybe they've got a bit batty from watching too much XXXX

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matey:

but there might be some clever people out who are better than the ones who can spell

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justinh:

then again it's never done me any harm :P

[10:59:58]

justinh:

quite. you mean the ones who can run spellcheck don't you? :P

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matey:

well yeah, thats a good point

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matey:

they should make transparent rectangle shaped small dishes with multifeed lnbs

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matey:

and window suckies

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justinh:

toshiba toying with cell processors in a TV now. 3GB HDD in the TV box too, 2 of which are for PVR duties. come on, where is the mythical convergence box? ;-)

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Dibblah:

They're just using it as a scaler, though. Which is somewhat odd.

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solv:

i have a freaky thing going on with xvmc – yes i know i should get a better system with vdpau support, but just financially a bit tight at the moment. neway xvmc for HD was working okayish, but thought i would try some other settings, including not using xvmc or interlacing...neway when i switched back to xvmc all of a sudden it's no longer working

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justinh:

xvmc == fail

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solv:

the mythfrontend output says XV is not available reverting xv-blit....and in the settings when i select xvmc standard with xvmc-blit I no longer have the softblend option

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solv:

just have chromakey or some other random option i never seen before.....

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solv:

and chromakey isn't supported on my nvidia 6200

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solv:

justinh, i hear ya....but i was trying to watch motogp last night and ended up giving up....bit of a bitch

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solv:

ok so the exact wording is: VideoOutputXv: Desired video renderer '' not available

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solv:

double checked xvmc is loading in my xorg log and xvmc is compiled in mythtv

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sidh:

greetings gentlemen

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sidh:

i finally got working mythbuntu 9.04 (9.10 was bugged )

[11:59:06]

sidh:

but i have troubles with TV output and my ATI 9200 pro GPU

[11:59:25]

sidh:

i configured the xorg.conf section as said in the mythtv wiki

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justinh:

good luck with that, then

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sidh:

but at boot i can see (very shortly) a console running on the tv, but when the boot finish nithing is diplayed

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justinh:

wouldn't be surprised if ATI have stopped supporting your hardware in their driver

[12:01:40]

sidh:

when i run the mythtv config tool, it ask me to kill mythbackend process, then i click "yes", and after i have display problem with this kind of error output on a consloe : "X error bad match"

[12:01:55]

justinh:

IIRC you need to use their binary drivers for stuff like TVOUT to work anyway

[12:02:14]

sidh:

ahhhhh ok , i will google for that driver

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justinh:

mythtv-setup, we call it

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solv:

cool....got it working again....deleted the profile and added a new one....must have been a bug

[12:04:01]

justinh:

sadly ATI still isn't a good choice to go with for mythtv

[12:04:33]

justinh:

it can be while they support stuff in their drivers but they're notorious for suddenly pulling out

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justinh:

big shame cos when their stuff works it's better than anybody else's

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justinh:

lack of GPU video decoding excluded, I mean

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sidh:

justinh: i will try with their binary driver

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PhoenixMage:

Hey guys

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PhoenixMage:

Do I need MythVideo installed on my backend server to be able to view on my frontend box? I am using trunk

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justinh:

probably

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justinh:

if you're going to use storage groups, certainly

[12:12:49]

matey:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Antenne-toroidale.jpg

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justinh:

and?

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matey:

fascinating

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justinh:

nothing beats a real dish

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simonckenyon:

those dishes are about 100euro

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matey:

kinda fun

[12:18:42]

simonckenyon:

but not exactly inconspicuous

[12:19:24]

matey:

its not that bad

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simonckenyon:

i plan on getting one – but the cost of the multiswitch to go with it is just too expensive

[12:19:47]

matey:

the reflector thingie covers the lnbs

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matey:

still its a 90cm antena

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matey:

yeah, get a rotor

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simonckenyon:

no – they face out – the reflector bounces the signals onto the lnbs – and no – a rotor is not the answer – not able to record from two sats at once and the turn time is long

[12:21:22]

simonckenyon:

i have a channel master 1.2M dish with a motor – so i do know

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brad3:

hey guys, i'm getting no audio from my recordings in the latest version of trunk.. can anyone look at my pastebin error log, and offer any advice? http://pastebin.ca/1593403

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justinh:

AFD Error: Unknown audio decoding error

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justinh:

says it all really. next

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brad3:

justin: so that is a problem in my mythtv setup, or my linux setup?

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justinh:

did you get audio from the same recordings before?

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brad3:

yes

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justinh:

it's a mythtv problem

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justinh:

thing is, unknown error.. means just that

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justinh:

welcome to the fun of using trunk.

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brad3:

hahah indeed

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brad3:

i will keep poking around

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simonckenyon:

does audio work outside myth

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brad3:

yes

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brad3:

it even works in myth (music)

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brad3:

just not the recordings

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simonckenyon:

so what is the message about problems with mixer? did you change your config?

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brad3:

no i didn't

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brad3:

are you referring to this error: #2009-10–04 20:09:10.941 mixer unable to find control Master 1

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brad3:

i did some googling on that, and it apparently is an error that doesn't do anything

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brad3:

i think i was always getting that error before too

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simonckenyon:

doesn't music and tv use different configs for sound

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justinh:

yes they do

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brad3:

could be

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brad3:

justin: where would i find those configs?

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justinh:

in mythfrontend's setup pages

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justinh:

jesus

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simonckenyon:

so sound working in music is no guarentee of it working in tv

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justinh:

anyway, looks to me like an actual decoding problem

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justinh:

not a configuration issue

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simonckenyon:

do old recordings work?

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justinh:

not a recording issue either

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brad3:

simon: no old recordings don't work

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brad3:

justin: so perhaps i didn't get a proper lib connected in the compile this time around?

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brad3:

i tried the --enable-faad in the configure, but i ended up getting a compile error

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justinh:

ah

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justinh:

user error then

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justinh:

you're missing AAC decoding support

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simonckenyon:

can mplayer play the recordings?

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justinh:

which you need libfaad-dev for to be able to build mythtv with it

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brad3:

simon: yes

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justinh:

get libfaad-dev or whatever your distro calls it & rebuild mythtv after reconfiguring & cleaning

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simonckenyon:

i think justin has it nailed

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brad3:

justin: right, so i got that added through yum, but the compiler can't seem to find it

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brad3:

i agree 100% it's my user error

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brad3:

justin: thanks, will try again

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justinh:

brad3: the DEV package?

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justinh:

you need the headers

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justinh:

headers/source/thingies

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brad3:

yeah i installed faad2, faad2-devel, faad2-libs

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brad3:

i think it just may have installed it in a place myth wasn't expecting

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brad3:

wow it really was user-error^10

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brad3:

compiled perfectly this time, with --enable-libfaad

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brad3:

thanks for the help guys, really appreciate it!

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justinh:

next time, maybe save us all some time & mention it worked before you recompiled it

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justinh:

;-)

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brad3:

hahah good tip! ;)

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loki__:

hi is there a specific irc channel for pvr-150 stuffs

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justinh:

there used to be an ivtv channel

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loki__:

seems to be dead

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justinh:

that'd be it then

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loki__:

im' trying to tweak my pvr-150, but cant get anything for linux, only tweak for windows drivers

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justinh:

ivtvctl, now v4l2ctl

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justinh:

oops v4l2-ctl

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justinh:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/V4l2-ctl_(Examples)

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justinh:

you're welcome

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loki__:

thanks

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justinh:

wonder if the driver defaults are still trippy denoising (linear denoise.. eew)

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justinh:

my first pvr150 recordings looked like they were on acid. motion trails & stuff

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loki__:

yup i still have motion trails

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justinh:

lol

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loki__:

any idea on the setting i may try to tweak for this? temporal_filter?

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justinh:

used to be called temporal_dnr

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justinh:

but that was back when it was still ivtvctl

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justinh:

and FYI when you find the settings you want, you'll have to redo them every reboot, so put em in a script

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justinh:

crazy I know

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loki__:

that's ok

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justinh:

wonder why the driver devs are still setting those by default

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justinh:

I'd rather see a bit of grain noise than trippy recordings ;)

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sidh:

justinh: i found a NVIDIA GPU (AGP format)

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sidh:

instead of the ATI one

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sidh:

i set up the nvidia utility

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sidh:

now at boot i have the nvidi logo

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sidh:

but at the begining of the boot , i have the same on both tv and lcd screen , but when mythtv starts , nothing is displayed on tv

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sidh:

xrandr list only one sc reen

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sidh:

the lcd

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sidh:

but i'm sure to have run nvidia-xconfig

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sidh:

and the nvidia utility finds there is a S-VIDEO output on BUS ID 1:0:0

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sidh:

did i missed something

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sidh:

?

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justinh:

nvidia-settings, y'know like the docs mention

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justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

anyway when people come in channel asking for you by name, you know it's time

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sidh:

;)

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mzb:

well, my pre/post-playback scripts work quite well ... just need a big screen to complete the cinema-effect now ;)

[13:21:40]

mzb:

might have to consider delays in the dimming, or slower dimming, but it's certainly effective

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_ben:

lol, what lights are you dimming?

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mzb:

lounge & dining

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_ben:

how have you wired it all up then?

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mzb:

all on the same dimmer, but dining switched separately

[13:24:19]

mzb:

the dimmer is an LD11 (X10 dimmer)

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_ben:

mm

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_ben:

interesting thought is since you can't buy the old standard bulbs anymore i'm not sure what bulbs you can dim

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mzb:

can in .au

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_ben:

can't dim energy saving ones and don't think you can dim halogen

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_ben:

yeah, think this is an euro stategy

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mzb:

yep

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mzb:

and I'd suggest that a (well managed) dimmer system would probably do better than cfl ;)

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mzb:

I do also have CFLs btw ... also automatically switched ;)

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mzb:

(movement sensors)

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mzb:

but there's no way I'd get the "cinema effect" (at the same price) with anything but a good old incandescent ;)

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mzb:

now if remote-controlling ${WOMAN} would be so easy! :|

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simonckenyon:

you can dim halagon if you have an electronic transformer

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_ben:

found dimmable energy saving bulbs :)

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mzb:

note my "at the same price" comment ;)

[13:37:12]

mzb:

afaik the dimmable cfl's don't dim low enough

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mzb:

combine all this with "no false ceiling" ... and it gets a little tricky

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mzb:

(ie: exposed beams == "cathedral ceiling")

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mzb:

hehe ... toying with the idea of a neon sign ... just found one with "Sod the dog. Beware of the kids"

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mzb:

meh

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iamlindoro:

Which just proves that bad taste is not just an American phenomenon ;)

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AndyCap:

mzb: and if I'm not mistaken some poeple make RF controllable halogen 12V transformers. so X10 might have some too.

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AndyCap:

s/poeple/Nexa/

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mzb:

probably not available here

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mzb:

and still == $

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AndyCap:

mzb: heh, people don't use 12V halogen there or X10 hasn't seen the need?

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AndyCap:

This was cheap enough to worry about it setting the house on fire. :) http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0018D1YY4

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AndyCap:

uh, doh, never mind. it didn't actually speak X10 it seems.

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mzb:

X10 don't sell 240V gear ... I think that's Marmitek (made in China) and I suspect the Australian stuff (now clearance items;)) is a rebadge of the same thing

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AndyCap:

mzb: doh, I thought you were in the US. Sorry. :)

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mzb:

I have recently bought some X10 gear from the US, though ;)

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mzb:

10% of the price here

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mzb:

but the two are not technically compatible ;)

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mzb:

RF is 310MHz vs 433MHz, power is 110V vs 240V

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AndyCap:

mzb: Nexa makes 230V gear for the nordic market and is cheap, but it's not X10 compatible and radio only. so cheap cheap cheap.

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AndyCap:

and 433Mhz. :)

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laga:

"radio only"? does x10 also do irda?

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AndyCap:

laga: powerline.

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laga:

oh

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mzb:

there are IR rx/tx units for X10

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AndyCap:

which is another can of worms

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mzb:

yeah, don't forget that X10 is *old*, probably redundant, and certainly at the cheapest end of the automation market ;)

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mzb:

AndyCap, looks like that halogen dimmer still needs the LD10/LD11 X10 dimmer anyway

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AndyCap:

mzb: yeah, I noticed that a little further down.

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AndyCap:

mzb: heh, nexa and the other stuff which can be controlled by the tellstick is pretty cheap.

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AndyCap:

not sure if the transformer is for TN, IT or TT networks and what you use.

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mzb:

looks like the rfxcom receiver handles Nexa

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mzb:

(and so the transmitter)

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mzb:

but they cost a fortune ... when you add up a 433MHz receiver module, 433MHz transmitter module ... and that's just for the USB version

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mzb:

mind you ... would be nice to be able to read/control the digimax thermostats ;)

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mzb:

but then it becomes a whole new level of addiction ;) (Oregon sensors, power meters, etc)

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AndyCap:

what's a fortune? the tellstick was somewhat cheap. but I'm trying to buid my own for about 30 USD in parts

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mzb:

the rfxcom is quite expensive to get here ... a few hundred dollars

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AndyCap:

heh, they support nexa etc too

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AndyCap:

Transmit only, but open source http://www.telldus.se/receivers.html

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laga:

oh, do you guys know of a cheap thingamajic which can measure air humidity? want to log that using my openwrt box

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AndyCap:

laga: don't know, but try phidgets?

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mzb:

Oregon sensors?

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laga:

thanks, will look them up

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AndyCap:

http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?product_id=1125

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AndyCap:

somehow I think expensive and SkyMall when I hear Oregon. :)

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mag0o:

heh, skymall

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AndyCap:

if you fancy a laugh, google skymaul.

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mag0o:

nice, some of those are just as useful

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mzb:

I suspect the transmitter-only portion of the rfxcom is probably cheaper than the tellstick

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mzb:

http://www.rfxcom.com/

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mzb:

hmm, not quite ... 69 euro + VAT

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mzb:

but more devices: http://www.rfxcom.com/descr_xmit433.htm

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mzb:

oh dear: http://wiki.nethome.nu/doku.php/modnexaremote

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somebody1:

hi everybody

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somebody1:

I have a problem which seems to be concerning this bug: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commit . . . /007402.html

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somebody1:

my playback is running way too fast both when watching TV and recordings

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somebody1:

the sound there has chipmunks style ;)

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somebody1:

is there anyone willing to help me with that problem? what kind of information should I provide?

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mag0o:

somebody1: if i recall, that is related to the wrong setting in audio playback in your playback profile, though im not 100% certain

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somebody1:

mag0o: okay, I'll look for an option there... wait a second

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FlyingSquirrel31:

I have 4 cameras and i need to select input from them and broadcast it to 8 monitors, as well as record. Is MythTV for me?

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_ben:

not really

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FlyingSquirrel31:

_ben: what part wont myth do?

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FlyingSquirrel31:

I suppose I know that myth isnt *for* that purpose, but will it work?

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_ben:

i'm not quite sure how'd you capture the input from the camera

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FlyingSquirrel31:

I already have the signal going into my tvtuner card.

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FlyingSquirrel31:

my tuner card has 4 inputs and my video card has two outputs

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FlyingSquirrel31:

is there a way in myth I can choose witch input I want to see?

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FlyingSquirrel31:

g/witch/which/

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somebody1:

mag0o: I found an option called "Time stretch" for my default profile in the category "Playback Groups"

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somebody1:

however, if changing it to a lower value than 100 the chipmunk sound still persists

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mag0o:

that's not it, check in playback profiles (maybe recording profiles)

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mag0o:

i forget which it is, sphery would know if he was here

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somebody1:

hm, there's the option "Sampling Rate" which won't help either unfortunately

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mag0o:

why wont that help?

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somebody1:

I changed it to some other values, but the playback was still as bad as before

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somebody1:

from what I understand it looks like that option is only for mp3 encoding anyway

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somebody1:

and I haven't found any other options that deal with audio in the recording profiles

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mag0o:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DigitalSoundHowTo# . . . .2C_Properly

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laga:

16:56 < somebody1> I changed it to some other values, but the playback was still as bad as before

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laga:

16:56 < somebody1> from what I understand it looks like that option is only for mp3 encoding anyway

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laga:

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laga:

16:57 < somebody1> and I haven't found any oth/join #jena

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laga:

oh, i'm sorry!

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laga:

mouse accident

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mag0o:

haha

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mag0o:

#jena ?

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laga:

semantic web framework

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mcbane:

Hi

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mcbane:

I am trying to get mythtv up and running on a debian machine. However, when I try to do a channel scan in mythtv-setup I get a segfault. I honestly do not know what to do now and only found a bug concerning multi core setups which is not the case.

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squidly:

mcbane: what version of mythtv are you using?

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mcbane:

0.21

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mcbane:

0.21.svn20080706–0.0 to be exact

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squidly:

hmm

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gbee:

mcbane: mythfrontend --version – that version string is fairly useless

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gbee:

is that the date it was pulled from svn or the date it was packaged? Which branch of 0.21? Either way it's _old_ and out of date

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somebody1:

mag0o: I created a .asoundrc file according to your link

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somebody1:

however, it didn't bring any success to my problem

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mcbane:

the --version switch gives me:

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mcbane:

MythTV Version : exporté

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mcbane:

MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-21-fixes

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mcbane:

Library API : 0.21.20080304–1

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mcbane:

Network Protocol : 40

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gbee:

f**king debian packagers

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mcbane:

;)

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gbee:

mcbane: see if you can find a more recent package to start with, in a week or two we'll have released 0.22 which shouldn't contain the bug and you might consider making that jump in versions

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mcbane:

ok, I try to get the new package.

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sphery:

somebody1: what do you have set for the audio output device? ALSA:default

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somebody1:

sphery: yes, ALSA:default

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somebody1:

I'm looking at the frontend debug output right now... it always says "NVP: Video is 3.xxxxx frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up."

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somebody1:

lots of "WriteAudio: buffer underrun"s are also there

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sphery:

somebody1: and you made an alsa config file at $HOME/.asoundrc

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sphery:

somebody1: this should work if you've got a good ALSA config, but once you get it working, you probably want to change your recording profile to use 48kHz audio sampling (which would work around the problem, but your audio is currently misconfigured, so I recommend fixing it first)

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sphery:

somebody1: also, if you're just doing 2-channel analog audio output, you can delete the $HOME/.asoundrc and /etc/asound.conf

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somebody1:

I actually am

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somebody1:

so I'll delete those files

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sphery:

somebody1: and note that any change to ALSA configuration requires restarting the ALSA client--i.e. mythfrontend

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somebody1:

sphery: ok, I deleted those files... should I set the sampling rate of all recording profiles to 48khz?

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sphery:

you need to restart mythfrontend

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sphery:

then you can test

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somebody1:

I already did

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sphery:

then if it works, set the recording profiles up right

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sphery:

if not, it's your call

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sphery:

(it will likely just be sweeping an audio misconfig under the rug)

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somebody1:

so what exactly do you mean with "work" in this case? ;)

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somebody1:

there's audio, there's video... video is just pretty laggy and audio is chipmunks style

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sphery:

if it's still that way with 48kHz audio, there's something else going on

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sphery:

like you're using Pulse or your ALSA is just really messed up

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brad3:

this could be the super lowtech solution.. but when i went to trunk, i had tons of problems with audio being jerky

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brad3:

i completely removed pulseaudio, and the problem went away

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somebody1:

would I need pulseaudio for anything?

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brad3:

i haven't noticed, not having pulseaudio

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brad3:

but i only use the box for Myth

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somebody1:

hmm, but it's not installed here anyway

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brad3:

could affect other apps that i just don't use

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sphery:

right, myth is not compatible with pulseaudio

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squidly:

on my ubuntu desktop's I've had no issues

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somebody1:

I'm using a fresh Mythbuntu install

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squidly:

somebody1: I just left my mythbuntu frontend default setup

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squidly:

on my desktop I killed pulse audio

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hi3:

hi, any one use ota antenna?

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somebody1:

well, I set every single recording profile to 48kHz but the problem persists...

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squidly:

not I but I know people who do

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hi3:

how does the channel numbering work. i see channels like 4.1, 4.2 in my listings.

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squidly:

i'm not totally sure

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somebody1:

I know, this is usually not the right place for ALSA problems... but does anyone have a tip how to check my ALSA config for errors?

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jams:

iamlindoro- off topic, but my scooba broke yesterday. Got another on the way to replace it, but i'm hoping to fix the old one.

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iamlindoro:

Heh, my scooba's battery won't hold a charge and replacing it is too expensive

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wagnerrp:

scooba?

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jams:

it got about 10 minutes into the job and just start flashing and beepting

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jams:

yeah they are a tad expensive

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wagnerrp:

roomba?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: the mopping version

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jams:

wagnerrp- roombas brother that washes the floot

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jams:

floor

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wagnerrp:

ah

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jams:

or sister depending on your preference

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iamlindoro:

I call mine "cinderella"

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wagnerrp:

i prefer not to engender my robots

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jams:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

But if I don't engender them, then having sex with them would seem weird

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jams:

I'm so glad I got the 570 model of the roomba (with the command center) it has been so useful the last few weeks.

[16:32:59]

jams:

not being able to carry stuff around the house wasn't a problem. Roomba could carry it for me

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wagnerrp:

the new 'roomba mistress', wears a french maid outfit on its round exterior

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iamlindoro:

heh

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jams:

it was a list minute thought rig up something so that things wouldn't slide off.

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jams:

even worked for drinks but you had to be careful cause the takeoff would sometimes cause some splashing

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wagnerrp:

oh? it runs on alcohol?

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wagnerrp:

fuel cells FTW!

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sidh:

i can't find where i'm wrong !!! i can see the mythtv logo, and boot process on tv, but when mythtv starts nothing is displayed on the tv, here is my xorg.conf modified for TV output, Xorg.0.log doesn't seem to complain about it... do you see something wrong please ? http://pastebin.com/f4a9fa979

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brad3:

hey guys, what's common practice on moving Recordings into MythVideo

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brad3:

do most people remove commercials and trancode?

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brad3:

or just remove commercials, and leave it the file size that it is

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gbee:

I lossless transcode to remove adverts but I wouldn't re-encode because I'm not really short of space and I've no wish to lose any quality

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iamlindoro:

likewise

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gbee:

some of the quality on broadcast material is bad enough, transcoding to another codec .... eww

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brad3:

that makes sense

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brad3:

time to go look up how to do lossless transcode :)

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somebody1:

sphery: hmm, are you sure that my problem is caused by a bad alsa config?

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oobe:

metalurgy looks good with graphite video-ui.xml

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oobe:

and a few small mods

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somebody1:

sphery: I'm just asking because when trying to play something via VLC media player through ALSA it perfectly works...

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sphery:

somebody1: Myth uses a different configuration from VLC, so you may have specified the proper config for VLC and not for Myth

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sphery:

somebody1: but if it's not ALSA, it could be that you've enabled the broken setting "Use video as timebase" or something else

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somebody1:

sphery: is there a way to ... well... copy the VLC ALSA settings to MythTV?

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somebody1:

the "Use video as timebase" option is disabled by the way

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sphery:

somebody1: you'd have to understand your ALSA config well enough to figure out what you're telling VLC and tell Myth the same. However, since there's all sorts of different audio output paths, you may be doing something completely different in VLC, anyway, so it may be comparing apples and oranges.

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somebody1:

sphery: okay, I understand. With configuring ALSA, you mean the settings inside the ALSA client applications, right? There are no 'external' configuration files that influence the behavior of ALSA clients?

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sphery:

well, the ALSA config files do affect it, and they tend to be done in distro specific ways. They're basically $HOME/.asoundrc and /etc/asound.conf , but they can pull in other config files.

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sphery:

but basically, I have no idea how your system is configured, so I won't be much help fixing it

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sphery:

your best bet is to ask others using your distro

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johannes1:

hi I had a look at the wiki and the 0.22 tickets seem to get less, is 0.22 release near?

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iamlindoro:

johannes1: yes, likely next week

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johannes1:

great news, hopefully it gets included in ubuntu 9.10 is there a way to watch live tv via vlc with a mythtv backend?

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iamlindoro:

It will be in 9.10, and no, you cannot access Myth live TV with VLC

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johannes1:

any other ways to watch tv on windows/ mac clients?

[17:44:01]

iamlindoro:

esidesy running the windows or mac frontends?

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iamlindoro:

er besides

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Dagmar:

not really, no.

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johannes1:

didnt know there are windows frontend, do they work well, or are they buggy?

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Dagmar:

We don't say anything about them because they are nearly useless

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iamlindoro:

johannes1: Buggy, in development, requires compiling yourself

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iamlindoro:

and probably most importantly, nobody is likely to have any idea how to support them since practically none of us use it

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somebody1:

sphery: ah, i fixed it :)

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somebody1:

solution was not to use ALSA, but OSS instead

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somebody1:

and set all sampling rates to 32000

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flyingsquirrel32:

Is it easy to switch which input I'm watching with mythtv?

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flyingsquirrel32:

(I mean can I do it with one button on the keyboard?)

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sphery:

somebody1: is this a frame grabber card? I may only allow 32kHz sampling, so when you set it to 48kHz, it lied to Myth and Myth played it wrong.

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somebody1:

sphery: that must have been my mistake, fortunately I found some sort of a hint to it on a forum where a thread dealed with the chip I use

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somebody1:

thanks for your support, mag0o and sphery!

[17:53:37]

somebody1:

and all others ;)

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sphery:

glad you have it working

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flyingsquirrel32:

I'm think about using myth to select video from 1 of 4 cameras. the selected input would be sent to a bunch of monitors.

[17:54:19]

flyingsquirrel32:

will myth let me do this?

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jams:

ok this is really annoying..how do I stop myth from asking me to select a cd drive everytime I start it. Using head checkout from today.

[17:56:08]

jams:

and yes I have selected a drive instead of cancel it

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Dagmar:

Select a what?

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Dagmar:

You mean when you start the frontend?

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jams:

yes

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jams:

gbee,sphery,iamlindaro any ideas?

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jams:

it started after installing the plugins

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gbutters_work:

jams, very annoying

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jams:

gbutters_work- you see it as well?

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gbutters_work:

yes

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jams:

guess that should make me feel a bit better =)

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jams:

i'm guessing mythmusic is the source

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gbutters_work:

but only on one machine with a cdrw and a dvdrom drive

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jams:

it detects 5 different drives for me

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jams:

two of which ar the same drive

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gbutters_work:

lol

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jams:

2 others are not even cd /dvd drives

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gbutters_work:

started after i installed 22240

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pheld:

is it possible to use a recent version of webkit with mythbrowser, or does QtWebKit also support page-zoom now?

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jams:

gbutters_work- thanks..that will help me disable it

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jams:

it's even more annoying then the can't connect to backend msg

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sidh:

whatever the xorg.conf i write , i still have the TV output in B&W, do you know what to look for ?

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Dagmar:

pheld: If you will read the documentation associated with MythBrowser your answer will become obvious.

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dustybin:

has there ever been a bug what nobody knew how to resolve?

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laga:

yes. software basically works like magic

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laga:

it is – in no way – deterministic

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laga:

computer science is just a bunch of bullshit

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dustybin:

i mean, imagine there was a serious bug, but nobody could fix it, what would happen then?

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GreyFoxx:

users would have to live with the problem

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dustybin:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

wtf do you think?

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dustybin:

:-S im not sure

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GreyFoxx:

if something was SO bad the entire bit of code around it would be redone to avoid the problem

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dustybin:

i see

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GreyFoxx:

no coding problems are unsolvable

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AndrewNC:

we would have to delete every source file and every mention of mythtv on the internet, then file a report with the illuminati

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dustybin:

ok

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laga:

i just spent some quality time in the woods. was very happy. then i come back and see that question. o-m-g

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dustybin:

if the nvidia driver had serious bugs with VDPAU, and they didnt resolve the problems, would that mean mythtv would remove VDPAU?

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AndrewNC:

can you cite a real world example?

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GreyFoxx:

Or just leave it as an option for the user to pick

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iamlindoro:

I've got one

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AndrewNC:

or is this just speculative mythtv fanfic?

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GreyFoxx:

These questions just seem kinda silly

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iamlindoro:

If dustybin's mother new about the serious bugs in his brain, would she have had another fetus inserted, or...?

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dustybin:

:(

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AndrewNC:

I was waiting for that shoe to drop

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pheld:

Dagmar: the doc doesn't say much about the browser, and the wiki contains the old stuff with a reference to it being rebuilt with webkit for 0.22. I've found that QtWebKit>=4.5 does indeed support page-zoom, but the current mythbrowser source (trunk) only seem to use the old font-zoom methods. Am I right in assuming that the redesign hasn't been merged yet?

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iamlindoro:

you are not

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iamlindoro:

Trunk uses webkit

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pheld:

yes I see it is linked with the frontend

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sidh:

GREAT i have color on TV output WAHHHHOOOOWWWWWWW

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AndrewNC:

does it use the webkit installed on the device, or have its own embeded webkit?

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** sidh gonna dance **

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iamlindoro:

uses webkit from Qt

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iamlindoro:

non-imported

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flyingsquirrel32:

Can someone please help me out.

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flyingsquirrel32:

I just want to know if its easy to switch between diferent inputs.

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sid3windr:

it is.

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flyingsquirrel32:

I have four cameras connected to my machine and I need to be able to swap the view from one to the other with a key

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flyingsquirrel32:

(I mean on touch of a key on a keyboard)

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pheld:

so with libQtWebKit.so.4.5.1 linked on my box there should be hope for pagezoom. I'll poke around and see if it's a simple way to modify the source to get it working.

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flyingsquirrel32:

sid3windr: Is it that easy?

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flyingsquirrel32:

or do I have to mouse around?

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flyingsquirrel32:

or could I even change inputs from command line?

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sid3windr:

mythtv doesn't do mouse input

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sid3windr:

changing from commandline, I don't know, maybe the telnet interface allows you to

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sid3windr:

it can be done with a key on the keyboard/remote at least

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sid3windr:

I think "y" but I'm not sure :)

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gbutters_work:

flyingsquirrel32, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1

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flyingsquirrel32:

would I have to open a menu, or just press the number of the input I want? I don't want the screen to show anything but a switch

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Seeker`:

how are the cameras connected to the machine?

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iamlindoro:

Note that myth is not intended for what you are trying to do, and that the switches will be quite slow

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flyingsquirrel32:

well, that's the downside, right now I'm using one of these:http://www.geovision.com.tw/english/product/GV-600.htm

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iamlindoro:

ie if you're hoping for an instantaneous toggle, it's not going to happen-- you're looking at multiple seconds of nothingness on each switch

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flyingsquirrel32:

iamlindoro: ugh. Thats no good

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flyingsquirrel32:

any idea of open source/ linux software that would do it?

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gbutters_work:

flyingsquirrel32, zoneminder

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flyingsquirrel32:

I'm actually not doing it for security. I'm presenting an asembly with speakers and demonstrations live with multiple cameras

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to use mythtv in that scenario

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, myth will not work nicely for that-- you *could* record all the streams and use something to cut them together nicely later, but for real-time, myth wouldn't be the best choice

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flyingsquirrel32:

ok thanks

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iamlindoro:

in reality, just a simple video switch is probably best for a presentation

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wagnerrp:

myth will ALWAYS have several seconds of lag between when the video is recorded, and when it shows up on screen

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somebody1:

I got another problem: my analog TV tuner card has three different outputs (TV, composite, s-video)

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somebody1:

with the TV output I want to watch TV (surprise!) – that works perfectly

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iamlindoro:

s/output/input/

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somebody1:

with the composite output I would like to watch the stuff my external settop box can offer

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somebody1:

well, yeah, output from TV tuner to MythTV so to speak

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iamlindoro:

So they're not *outputs* of your TV tuner card

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iamlindoro:

They're inputs

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somebody1:

okay, right

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somebody1:

yeah, right

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wagnerrp:

right

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somebody1:

of course :D

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somebody1:

the main problem is: the TV input uses its own audio device (/dev/dsp)

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somebody1:

and for the composite input I have to use the line-in jack of my integrated sound card (/dev/dsp1)

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wagnerrp:

so your solution would be to get an mpeg encoder?

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johannes1:

is there any support for p2ptv like sopcast planned?

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wagnerrp:

johannes1: mythtv can use Miro videocasts, using MiroBridge

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iamlindoro:

johannes1: uhh, highly illegal, so no, never

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iamlindoro:

yes, you can use mirobridge to get legit vodcast content

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wagnerrp:

and other streaming content is usable if it is the correct format (unencrypted RTSP with a playlist)

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somebody1:

however, when I add the same TV tuner twice (one time with the /dev/dsp audio input and the second time with the /dev/dsp1 audio input), I can't select the composite channel

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iamlindoro:

but no peer to peer content of any kind

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wagnerrp:

but other than that, there is no planned support of any other streaming formats

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somebody1:

why is that so?

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wagnerrp:

P2P content is almost always from illegal sources

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wagnerrp:

so the myth devs have just decided not to touch any of it

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Dagmar:

Hell, I blame the users

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johannes1:

oh thats sad, dad wants to watch chinese soccer

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wagnerrp:

and legal sources generally do not use an open protocol

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iamlindoro:

somebody1: adding the same tuner twice is not a working configuration-- it's no surprise that won't work

[19:00:52]

Dagmar:

We make it very clear that you shouldn't discuss anything illegal in here, even "in theory"

[19:00:59]

Dagmar:

It's a rule for the entire damn network

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wagnerrp:

which means breaking into the protocol, and possibly some hash or encryption

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Dagmar:

And we STILL have to tell people to go f**k off with their pirated media problems three times a week

[19:01:23]

Dagmar:

I don't blame P2P. I blame users.

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wagnerrp:

which may violate DMCA, and will almost certainly violate TOS (another big no-no)

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somebody1:

okay, I figured that... so I got the idea of creating a symbolic link /dev/dsp_for_tv and letting it point to the correct dsp device whenever the channel changes

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sphery:

P2P doesn't steal videos. People do...

[19:02:28]

Dagmar:

Exactly

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sphery:

agreed

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somebody1:

that however causes an audio delay for the line-in device

[19:02:51]

somebody1:

i.e. the sound is slower than the video

[19:02:59]

Dagmar:

You have misconfigured things

[19:03:05]

Dagmar:

AND you've gotten it backwards.

[19:03:10]

Dagmar:

Your audio is ahead of your video.

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somebody1:

no, not in this case

[19:03:24]

sphery:

somebody1: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html ?

[19:03:31]

somebody1:

the video is actually faster in this case

[19:03:39]

Dagmar:

Then you've either REALLY misconfigured things in newer, more exciting ways than usual, or you're not using MythTV.

[19:04:22]

Dagmar:

The usual screw up is that people who use framegrabbers (in addition to kicking babies) leave the audio coming from the line in unmuted so they hear it in realtime, which puts it ahead of the video.

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Dagmar:

...because the video will ALWAYS be lagged because of the time it takes to encode it before Myth can "stream it live" to the frontend

[19:05:05]

CyberKnet:

this old debate?

[19:05:08]

Dagmar:

...but the video and audio are encoded at the same time. They should always be in sync in the file

[19:05:18]

CyberKnet:

oh, ok. different :)

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somebody1:

right... my configuration is a bit "weird" (I described it above)

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Dagmar:

If the box plays known, good content back out of sync you have a problem

[19:05:44]

Dagmar:

Well, you'll pardon me if I'm not scrolling up for it because I don't have it

[19:05:52]

Dagmar:

go through the section sphery mentions

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somebody1:

my main problem is that I have to use two input devices (/dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1) for one TV tuner

[19:06:05]

Dagmar:

No you don't.

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CyberKnet:

Don't know if I told anyone in here – I fixed the problem with my PVR-500 producing bad video by changing the recording profiles to record 720x480 instead of 480x480

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somebody1:

I don't?

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somebody1:

should I explain my setup again?

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Dagmar:

CyberKnet: You might be the only person around who uses or ever used 480x480. heh

[19:06:52]

Dagmar:

Thing #1 I do on a new build is to just set the default to 48k audio and 720x480

[19:07:05]

CyberKnet:

Dagmar: It was the default, I didn't change it :) But yeah, I would guess that is the case. heh.

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CyberKnet:

Hmm... I don't know if I changed the audio to 48k. I'll check that out when I get home.

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CyberKnet:

Dagmar: Do you have HD and SD sources?

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Dagmar:

Well, I change it to 48k because it's easier to downsample and I'm making no assumptions about what I might be downsampling things to

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CyberKnet:

afternoon kormoc.

[19:08:27]

** kormoc tips his hat **

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Dagmar:

somebody1: If you've got lagged audio and two inputs for audio the problem is that second audio source you're using is lagged

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Dagmar:

It's a PVR, not a realtime muxing project

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CyberKnet:

My OSD looks a lot sharper over HD sources than over SD sources. Wondering if I have something set up wrong there too.

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CyberKnet:

not just one OSD theme either ... any OSD I've tried so far.

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kormoc:

it's cause the OSD is rendered at the video resolution

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iamlindoro:

(When using Xv)

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gbee:

either use opengl rendering or vdpau, it's a limitation of XV

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Dagmar:

It would suck if it weren't

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jduggan:

soooooo

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jduggan:

i uh, got a core2duo 2.93ghz

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jduggan:

should decode bbc huh?

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jduggan:

:\

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CyberKnet:

hmm... I thought I was using opengl

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sphery:

jduggan: should in the future

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CyberKnet:

I don't run svn, so no vdpau for me yet

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jduggan:

sphery, future? :S

[19:13:04]

sphery:

jduggan: for now--with single-threaded decode--it may be pushing it a bit

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kormoc:

check the logs? It might be failing back to xv

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jduggan:

sphery, my c2d 2.0 /almost/ plays it :S

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CyberKnet:

Wait . .. we're not talking about the setting that controls QT/OpenGL are we?

[19:13:44]

kormoc:

jduggan, and I gather your c2d 2.93 also /almost/ plays it?

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jduggan:

sphery, oh man. i'll build and see

[19:13:53]

sphery:

CyberKnet: the ThemePainter setting won't affect video output

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CyberKnet:

Aaah, I'll check the playback stuff

[19:14:03]

CyberKnet:

yeah, I just realized I was thinking of the wrong setting

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jduggan:

kormoc, dunno yet, its still in a box with a dq35jo board

[19:14:17]

sphery:

jduggan: it can probably be made to work, but might require hacks like disabling the deblocking loop filter (or whatever it's called)

[19:14:25]

CyberKnet:

Are any of the built-in options going to use OpenGL, or am I going to have to do a custom edit?

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sphery:

CyberKnet: OpenGL video rendering is very poor performance

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sphery:

often slower than Xv

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jduggan:

well i'll let you guys know

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jduggan:

:p

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CyberKnet:

Oh.

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CyberKnet:

I might just wait for <release that has vdpau enabled>

[19:15:57]

CyberKnet:

it's not a problem, just noticed that it was so much sharper on my HD recordings (only had HD recordings for the last week)

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CyberKnet:

thanks for the input all :)

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somebody1:

Dagmar: I'm not sure if I understand it correctly... am I doing things wrong? am I understanding things wrong? Here's my situation: device /dev/dsp0 is my sound card, device /dev/dsp1 is my TV tuner. To get TV audio, MythTV has to get the sound from /dev/dsp1. To get audio from the external set-top box that is plugged into the composite jack of the TV tuner, MythTV has to get the sound from /dev/dsp0 (since the set-top box' au

[19:17:20]

Dagmar:

Then you have _two_ inputs

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Dagmar:

Not one

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somebody1:

that's what I said, didn't I?

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somebody1:

I tried to create a symlink for that

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somebody1:

<somebody1> I tried to create a symlink for that

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somebody1:

so that I can enter one device in MythTV for my TV card and change the symlink according to which signal is needed

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sphery:

somebody1: you need to have your capture card (in the backend) configured to use /dev/dsp1 and your audio output device (in the frontend) configured to use /dev/dsp0

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somebody1:

okay, but how would I get the sound from my external set-top box?

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Wicked:

CyberKnet, if your good with compiling and patching things. there are patches that work awesome with 0.21-fixes that enable vdpau

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somebody1:

and be able to record it?

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sphery:

somebody1: pipe it into your capture card

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somebody1:

oh, that works?

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Wicked:

CyberKnet, not offically supported here..but ive had very very few issues

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somebody1:

sphery: what would I have to google for to accomplish that?

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sphery:

i.e. STB->RCA cables->capture card. Then sound card->(some cables)->speakers

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somebody1:

ah, okay, problem is: my sound card doesn't have an audio output jack

[19:21:21]

sphery:

you mean your tv capture card doesn't have audio output?

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Wicked:

CyberKnet, http://www.avenard.org/media/MythTV_&_VDP . . . ;_VDPAU.html

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sphery:

otherwise, the sound card would be useless (as its whole purpose is audio output)

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sphery:

so I have /never/ heard of a sound card without output capability

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somebody1:

:)

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somebody1:

sorry, I meant the TV tuner card

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sphery:

yeah, you don't need sound output from it if you have a "built in" sound device

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sphery:

i.e. yours has a /dev/dsp1, so it has a built in sound device

[19:22:42]

somebody1:

yes

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Dagmar:

Yeah some framebuffer cards actually send audio to the PC over DMA and appear as a sound device to ALSA

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sphery:

so you simply set the capture card up to use /dev/dsp1 (and set up the audio output device in mythfrontend to use /dev/dsp0)

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CyberKnet:

Wicked: Thanks for the thought and info, appreciate it. Trying to stay mainline mythbuntu 9.04 as much as possible, but I'll keep that in mind.

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kormoc:

CyberKnet: or wait the 6 days for the release

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: Indeed.

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sphery:

somebody1: note that these are 2 different settings--one in the capture card config in mythtv-setup and the other in mythfrontend main General Settings

[19:23:32]

CyberKnet:

kormoc: There's an 'official' date now?

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somebody1:

I understood that one... but nevertheless the audio from my external set-top box has to be captured by my *sound* card, not my *TV* card

[19:23:45]

Wicked:

CyberKnet, ah. i was like you for a while. wanted to keep everything easy to update and all that...but compiling mythtv is pretty easy...then maby once a month svn up and recompile to get all the new fixes.

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kormoc:

CyberKnet: the 10th afaik

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somebody1:

that's the thing which caused me headaches ;)

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Wicked:

CyberKnet, but its really whatever you feel comfortable with

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kormoc:

somebody1: but *Why* does it have to be captured by the sound card?

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CyberKnet:

Wicked: Yep, I'm grateful that we have the option :)

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sphery:

somebody1: no, the sound from your STB has to be piped to the TV card

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somebody1:

because my TV card has inputs for TV, s-video and composite (where the STB is plugged in)... but no sound inputs at all

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Dagmar:

Either way there should be no reason for the audio to be getting _ahead_ of the video

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Wicked:

CyberKnet, indeed....oh also. i actually think that guy runs a ubuntu repository for his patched mythtv. now i have never used the repo..ive only used his patches to compile mythtv myself

[19:25:25]

Wicked:

you may have luck using them

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Dagmar:

...unless you are somehow managing to listen in realtime

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sphery:

somebody1: or you could just get a far-more appropriate capture card--like a Hauppauge PVR-150 or PVR-500 or HVR-1600 or whatever

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somebody1:

hmm, worth consideration, but nothing I would buy right now...

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sphery:

somebody1: how many "composite" connections are there on your tv card? 3? a yellow (video) and red and white (audio)?

[19:26:51]

somebody1:

one

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somebody1:

yellow

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Dagmar:

Monaural audio. Yay

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kormoc:

cause nothing like spending hours beating your head against the wall to save $25

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kormoc:

Dagmar: that's his video input

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sphery:

Dagmar: no, according to him no audio

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spader3d:

hi all

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spader3d:

can i use an amino stb as a frontend for mythtv?

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sphery:

kormoc: nothing like spending hours of /our/ time beating a dead horse to save /himself/ $25 :)

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kormoc:

it's an absurd card if that's truely the case, so absurd it doesn't deserve to live

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sphery:

agreed!

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sphery:

$20-$30 for a PVR-150

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somebody1:

hm, wait a second, IIRC there was an unused jack on my card, I'll open the case and look again

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iamlindoro:

spader3d: very doubtful unles an amino set top box is a moderately powerful linux workstation with full drivers

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CyberKnet:

you have to open the case to see what inputs are on the card?

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CyberKnet:

weird card.

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kormoc:

%s/card/case/

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CyberKnet:

sphery: That gives me an idea. Perhaps I should ask for help on some exotic bttv/btaudio card setup in here daily ... eventually someone might get so tired of supporting me that it becomes more worth their while to jsut ship me another pvr-500... :D

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sphery:

I just can't imagine--unless it's some kind of low-profile card--why they wouldn't have 3 RCA inputs and an S-Video and a "cable/antenna input"

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: Or case, yes.

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sphery:

after all, it fits on the PVR-150

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CyberKnet:

sphery: I thought it had an expansion "card" (jacks on a back plate with a cable attached) for that?

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sphery:

CyberKnet: that might work

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somebody1:

there is actually a white jack on the card which *might* be another sound input

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somebody1:

however, am

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kormoc:

CyberKnet: but we know from history dealing with clever, old equipment never gets throw out, you donate and the new crap just gets broken as bad as the old crap and it's a loss....

[19:31:59]

sphery:

CyberKnet: no, the 150 has room for all that. the 500 had a separate plate for the 2nd RCA/S-Video connections

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somebody1:

however, aumix only shows one channel – the one for TV audio

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kormoc:

it's likely the same channel

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: Heh.

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somebody1:

oh really?

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kormoc:

as the card can only support one stream anyway

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somebody1:

okay, so it's worth a try

[19:32:30]

kormoc:

try it and see

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** CyberKnet guesses it being a line out **

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kormoc:

if so, I will donate the thermite to burn the card into the neither realm where it belongs

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sphery:

somebody1: you have a mono TV capture card--as most framegarbage, I mean framegrabbers, do

[19:34:59]

somebody1:

actually the jack would be capable of transmitting stereo

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somebody1:

I'll try it and let you know

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sphery:

See, there's /plenty/ of room for 3 RCA + 1 S-Video + 2 "coax" inputs on a standard PCI bracket: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/press/presspic . . . le_board.jpg

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CyberKnet:

sphery: I was reading an old mythtv users list post where someone was tearing into hardware mpeg encoders as being inferior to framegrabber cards – for lack of filtering ability and other reasons – in essence claiming they could get a better picture with a bttv framegrabber card.

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sphery:

CyberKnet: I'm pretty sure I know exactly whose post that was, and, in theory, it's true

[19:35:40]

CyberKnet:

perhaps it was the ivtv devel list, not hte mythtv users list

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sphery:

though the difference is so small as to be worthless--especially if you don't know what you're doing/are just getting started with Myth

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CyberKnet:

I forget whose post it was, but it was someone whose opinion I trusted for some reason.

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kormoc:

just no one wrote the filters/etc to make it happen...

[19:36:13]

sphery:

basically, the problem here is NTSC/PAL, not the hardware :)

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sphery:

CyberKnet: I have a feeling it was a certain person who basically wrote the Myth scheduler

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CyberKnet:

sphery: someone heavily involved with DVB?

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sphery:

still, though, the difference in quality is small--i.e. you're /much/ better off going to HDTV/digital capture if you really want improved quality

[19:38:03]

CyberKnet:

I really love the output from my hVR-2250. My only lamentation is the lack of tunable channels, but that is not the cards fault.

[19:38:05]

sphery:

CyberKnet: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/255192#255192

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sphery:

CyberKnet: he's the guy who wrote the scheduler

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CyberKnet:

sphery: That's the post.

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sphery:

I completely agree with what he says, but I feel the difference is so negligible as to be not worth the effort

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CyberKnet:

I happened across it when I was looking for a fix for my PVR-500 video issue.

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sphery:

nor worth the inefficiency (of maxing out your CPU to encode the video in read time)

[19:39:26]

CyberKnet:

Hardware encoders have gotten cheaper, too

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sphery:

which can actually cost a lot more in electricity--especially with modern CPU's that do very well at reducing power usage when idle/near idle

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kormoc:

and a hdpvr doing hardware h264 is epic awesome

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RDV_Linux:

kormoc: Second that

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CyberKnet:

Thinking about a HDPVR but wishing I didn't have to rent a box just to demodulate the video.

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CyberKnet:

and disliking the whole $150 per input cost.

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mishehu:

hardware encoders ftw

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kormoc:

CyberKnet: yeah... but it is so worth it imho :)

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: $150 initial per channel, plus $9 / month cable box rental.

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kormoc:

CyberKnet: I told Verizon I wouldn't pay that so they waved that for me.

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: wow. You just said you wouldn't pay for an STB and they were OK with that?

[19:44:31]

kormoc:

CyberKnet: yup

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mishehu:

kormoc has jedi mind powers

[19:44:55]

mishehu:

these are not the droids you're looking for

[19:44:57]

** mishehu waves hand **

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sphery:

heh

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CyberKnet:

Call them up, say you want digital cable, but you don't want to pay an stb fee, and they roll over and send you one for free...

[19:46:10]

CyberKnet:

that's something else.

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jamesd2:

verizon knows that even if they wave the little charge, long term they will make lots more in movie channels, and customer loyaty and recomendations... $6 is nothing compared to the $80 a month cable bill that is adverage.

[19:46:41]

CyberKnet:

Still, Cox Cable gives no quarter around here.

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kormoc:

I've been in love with my local verizon shop, I just had internet issues this weekend, had a tech scheduled for 11–1 pm today, the tech showed up at 9 am, replaced the hardware and was out, for free.

[19:47:37]

CyberKnet:

kormoc: Are you a FiOS customer?

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kormoc:

Aye

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CyberKnet:

lucky son of a gun

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kormoc:

My tv is also part of my FIOS plan

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sphery:

is trac dead?

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: So you pay about $1,500 a month for cable / telephone service, eh? :)

[19:48:25]

kormoc:

I'm paying $101 a month for 25/15 mbit internet, 400 tv channels, 200 of which are HD

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somebody1:

wow, it actually works!

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CyberKnet:

*sigh*

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CyberKnet:

i just died a little bit inside.

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kormoc:

Sorry

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CyberKnet:

And that includes a TV?

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Wicked:

kormoc, north east verizon?

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CyberKnet:

oh no, I get it

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CyberKnet:

it includes Tv service.

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kormoc:

Wicked: nah, North West

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somebody1:

sphery: the TV tuner I have is pretty much trash ;)

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CyberKnet:

somebody1: The rest of us realized that an hour ago or so

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CyberKnet:

:P

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somebody1:

it was built specifically for a series of computers in my country that were designed to be as small as possible

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Wicked:

ah ok. was gonna say..verizon had a major router crap out in the last few days...been black holes all over north east for internet

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somebody1:

therefore they also put a modem on it ;)

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somebody1:

that might be the reason why there's no sound input jack on the back ;)

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Wicked:

Verizon identified it largest CORE Juniper router was creating issues for all of it peering points to New York and Boston

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somebody1:

CyberKnet: yeah, I already guessed :D

[19:50:35]

kormoc:

Wicked: nah, the MoCA box on the side of the house was acting up, I think some water got in it from looking at it

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Wicked:

ah

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pheld:

Dagmar: page-zoom solved: s/setTextSizeMultiplier/setZoomFactor on mythuiwebbrowser.cpp and recompile

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janneg:

kormoc: "record this" and "don't record" on mythweb's upcomming recordings page seems to be broken, "never record" and "forget old" are working and so does a schedule override from the detail page

[19:51:17]

kormoc:

janneg: yeah, I'll be getting that all worked out shortly, I'm reverting a bunch of speed improvements, they're just not ready for primetime

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Dagmar:

pheld: You see now thta it's Konqueror-space entirely now tho, right?

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Dagmar:

It's not even advanced enough to be linking webkit directly

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johannes1:

what dvb-s2 card would you recommend? I need very stable drivers (in kernel would be best) and reliable/fast hardware

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janneg:

kormoc: ok, thnaks

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Dagmar:

Neoteric: re-sys the dis

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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sphery:

somebody1: ah, so it was done to be small...

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sphery:

yeah, a better card would make your life a /lot/ easier

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pheld:

Dagmar: yes, but got no help from the myth-doc you hinted towards.

[19:54:35]

Dagmar:

Actually I was expecting you to wind up looking at the readmes in the source

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Dagmar:

It's just a wrapper for Konq as far as I know

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CyberKnet:

DonqiKonq

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kormoc:

Dagmar: not post 0.21

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mishehu:

Dagmar: I managed to get my audio working just fine last night

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mishehu:

had to set max audio channels to stereo

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Dagmar:

kormoc: .22 links something else now?

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mishehu:

and poof I got 5.1 a52 streams out the spdif

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Dagmar:

Tell me it's Firefox

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kormoc:

Dagmar: it's purely qt-webkit now, no konqueror attachements at all

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pheld:

Dagmar: nothing found there either I'm afraid. Anyway, library-docs and source code always works if there's only enough time

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Dagmar:

mishehu: Noooo... that's not counter-intuitive at all

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Ah cool

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mishehu:

Dagmar: </sarcasm>

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** mishehu chuckles **

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sidh:

ok things are better, i have tv color output , hauppauge recognized, and sound (really not very loud for 5.1 sound card)

[19:58:18]

mishehu:

sidh: you connected from the sound card via spdif or analog connectors?

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sidh:

BUT (yes there is a but), when i choose watch TV, i can play the first channel, but when i press up (to go on the second channel) and enter, it takes a while , and i get an error

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sidh:

it is a HAUPPAUGE NOVA TD 500

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sidh:

i really don't know i ran sudo alsa restart, and that's all iirc

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mishehu:

sidh: well you plugged your sound card into something else ot hear sound no? you surely must know what you used to plug it together

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sidh:

mishehu: i bought a logitec X-540 5.1 speaker kit, that is plug to a terratec 5.1 sound card

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sidh:

with 3 jack plug

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mishehu:

sidh: then you should adjust the volume in the mixer. chances are you probably have that set to be controlled by mythtv (I think it's default)

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sidh:

well i ran amixer too and put at the highest level

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sidh:

it is not very loud

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mishehu:

yes but mythtv is probably set by default to use its own internal mixer to adjust the settings on your hardware.

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somebody1:

if anyone is interested... this is a picture of my current "set-up" – for your personal amusement: http://tmod.webhop.net/IMG_4879sm.jpg

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somebody1:

looks like I'll have to put a stereo jack into my case somehow ;)

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sidh:

ok thank you very much

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sidh:

does someone experience the problem of display error with hauppauge 500 nova

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sidh:

//www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-dev@mythtv.org/msg02263.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-dev@mythtv.org/msg02263.html this is this problem

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sidh:

ok i think i have an idea for this probleme, for the moment everything is written on the CF card mythtbuntu runs on

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sidh:

i have to set some mythtv specific directories on the nfs server

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AndyCap:

somebody1: you need a new place to hide your drugs now. :)

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sidh:

because i suppose, when we change channel beginning of the video stream is buffered

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sidh:

and the IO Speed ion CF card is not enough high

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sidh:

s/ion/on

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sidh:

ok i go to sleep , maybe i will dream of the solution

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somebody1:

AndyCap: :D that's just the stuff to get rid of any humidity

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]Oscar:

svn.mythtv.org is down ?

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fbnts:

Hi, I am in the UK and recently there has a been a change to channels which required everyone to rescan. I have gone into my backend and gone to the scan channels

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fbnts:

It is defaulted to full scan and United Kingdom but when I go to the next menu where it normally scans for channels it just sits there

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fbnts:

Any ideas?

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CyberKnet:

no idea, sorry fbnts

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CyberKnet:

but I'm not in the UK either.

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fbnts:

ah ok, is there a command line scanner as I am using VNC to connect the the backend as it has no monitor

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clever:

you can forward mythtv-setup thru ssh

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jduggan_:

fbnts: try 'scan /usr/share/dvb/whatever' where whatever is your transmitter (assuming the file exists)

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jduggan_:

oop, you'll probably need to add dvb-t/ after /dvb/ :)

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fbnts:

Ah, I realised what the problem was – I have a watchdog on the backend that looks for the backend process not running, (the backend used to randomly die) and then restarts it

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fbnts:

the backend setup closed the backend but the watchdog restarts it before I get to the scan channels

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fbnts:

it then can't scan cos the backend has locked the DVB-T

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kormoc:

if it randomly died, it's time for new hardware

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clever:

ive got a 'killbe' script which also kills the watch dog

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clever:

kormoc: segfaults arent always hardware

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fbnts:

I think when I investigated a long time ago, the backend dieing was caused when there was bad reception

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jduggan_:

common

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clever:

and not hardware related!

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fbnts:

if there was bad weather, the DVB stream corrupted and Mythtv backend couldnt handle it

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gnarface:

good afternoon people

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mishehu:

clever: segfaults can be hardware related, I've had it happen before. but they are usually very random in nature.

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clever:

mishehu: yeah, when the battery on one of my laptops got low, gcc would segfault

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clever:

and when swap hit a bad sector, the same

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clever:

but its more commonly caused by programing errors

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mishehu:

of course

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mishehu:

passing wrong type or quantity of data to a function is a definite common segfault

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gnarface:

my palm pilot has that problem

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gnarface:

massive instability below 40% battery life

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clever:

gnarface: the palm os doesnt use any memory protection

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clever:

so any segfault, kills the entire os

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gnarface:

clever: so i've noticed

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gnarface:

know what else i've noticed?

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clever:

the cpu in my treo 650 is vm capable, but its ignored

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gnarface:

i've also noticed shock-top beer is quite acceptable

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clever:

lol

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PersonABC:

Question: Hey, I love the experimental flash plugin for mythweb, but it doesn't fully work for me, it only loads a couple of seconds worth of video and then hangs. I think it's a problem with ffmpeg not being able to properly transcode the NUV files. Does anyone know if/when there are plans to fix this?

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iamlindoro:

PersonABC: the bug you pasted is different-- no transcoding whatsoever takes place there

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iamlindoro:

it is also against code that no longer exists in the same form

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iamlindoro:

further, the flash plugin will never enter supported status until the backend is handing out the stream already transcoded and we don't use ffmpeg at all

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PersonABC:

right, but I checked svn, and the same thing is basically happening... this is a better url, see this one: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5006

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iamlindoro:

so really, the only acceptable work would be to add a generic transcode interface to mythbackend

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PersonABC:

I'm not looking for 'support' per se, I'm looking to see if someone is working on this, and if not, what I need to do to work on it

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iamlindoro:

Nobody is working on it

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iamlindoro:

and what you would need to do would be expand the backend protocol to allow a request for a transcoded stream, and for mythbackend to do it all internally, and spit out a transcoded stream

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wagnerrp:

preferably in something other than a .nuv

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xris:

PersonABC: iamlindoro's answer still stands. the flash player is "done" until mythtv itself gets generic transcode support added, and there is no timeline for that.

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PersonABC:

How can I get started working on that?

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iamlindoro:

It would be/is a gigntic job. You'd need to learn libavcodec and libavformat internals and how to call them to accomplish transcoding, design an API for requesting those things, build that into the myth protocol, and write all the code into the backend

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iamlindoro:

which is why it's not done yet :)

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iamlindoro:

s/done/started/

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mishehu:

doesn't mythtranscode use transcode? if so, transcode can use libavcodec

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iamlindoro:

no, mythtranscode does not use transcode

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mishehu:

ah ok

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iamlindoro:

and adding a circuitous route of accomplishing the transcode would not be acceptable, most likely

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iamlindoro:

mythbackend already contains all the component pieces to accomplish it, so calling more external programs to do it would be poorly received

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wagnerrp:

and on top of all that, mythweb still needs the ability to stream content from the backend

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xris:

wagnerrp: which needs the backend to be able to transcode to flv

[21:56:44]

wagnerrp:

xris: i mean independent of any transcoding on the backend, mythweb doesnt have the capacity to pull content from the backend

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wagnerrp:

(unless that has changed recently)

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wagnerrp:

it needs file access for everything it uses

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xris:

wagnerrp: it streams from the backend in pure-stream mode, if it can.

[21:58:33]

wagnerrp:

i imagine any on-the-fly transcoding that gets added would be a slightly modified form of the FileTransfer socket

[21:58:45]

xris:

at least, I thought I put that in a couple of years ago.

[21:59:04]

xris:

but that's usless to the flash player because ffmpeg doesn't know how to stream directly from the backend.

[21:59:06]

kormoc:

yeah, broke with SG's and my code isn't ready yet

[21:59:40]

wagnerrp:

ok, so it worked a couple years ago, but not currently?

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kormoc:

yup

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kormoc:

and it works for me cause I have the code mostly done, just not hooked up to anything

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wagnerrp:

can you give ffmpeg an input stream? (as opposed to a file input)

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tank-man:

with a fifo

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tank-man:

mkfifo

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wagnerrp:

so once thats in, you *could* stream from the backend, and possibly get livetv working?

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wagnerrp:

stream through ffmpeg for transcoding, that is

[22:02:50]

PersonABC:

Well it sounds like it's a big job getting flash working on mythweb... and I'm probably not qualified

[22:03:00]

PersonABC:

Too bad, it would be awesome

[22:03:12]

wagnerrp:

flash works just fine (usually)

[22:03:19]

wagnerrp:

it just doesnt work with nuvs

[22:03:52]

wagnerrp:

which is becoming less and less of a priority, considering few (if any) devs still use cards that produce nuvs

[22:04:02]

xris:

PersonABC: yes, it will be awesome when it works. I'm especially looking forward to being able to play via flash without commercials.

[22:04:16]

wagnerrp:

the motivation just isnt really there

[22:04:19]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: actually, live tv isn't a problem, it's that the FH ffmpeg has doesn't grow as the file does, when the ffmpeg returns, the trick would be to just reopen it with the offset it ended on and it'd continue just fine

[22:04:19]

xris:

but we can't do any of that with the current tools (due to issues with the flash streaming format itself)

[22:04:31]

PersonABC:

So I know the plan is to eventually do it through the backend, but isn't there a hack that could be incorporated in the meantime, since there are no plans to add this, and the bug I pointed to was over 2 years ago?

[22:04:33]

kormoc:

actually

[22:04:42]

kormoc:

I'm waiting for flash to support h264

[22:04:49]

kormoc:

once that happens, we can transcode out commercials/etc

[22:05:02]

mythtraveler:

support h264

[22:05:05]

mythtraveler:

in what capacity

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kormoc:

PersonABC: the hack is in the ticket, if your mencoder/etc works

[22:05:16]

kormoc:

mythtraveler: natively is the plan

[22:05:34]

mythtraveler:

I'm not sure I understand

[22:05:43]

kormoc:

actually, it's already there

[22:05:47]

mythtraveler:

I hacked mythweb svn to use flash instead of h263

[22:05:51]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: you mean the player in particular used by mythweb? i thought flash itself supported h264 for several versions

[22:05:54]

mythtraveler:

i mean h264 instead of h263

[22:06:06]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: yeah, the player needs to be updated to support it

[22:06:15]

mythtraveler:

and flowplayer and jwplayer both can play h264

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

we currently stream in flv, so I don't know why you'd say you had to hack that in

[22:06:45]

mythtraveler:

that was confusing – i played around w/ mythweb svn / streaming perl, now works w/ h264

[22:06:57]

mythtraveler:

"hack" = messing around w/ perl

[22:07:03]

mythtraveler:

flv container w/ h264

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mythtraveler:

i'm not super coherent today, brain fried from work

[22:07:29]

mythtraveler:

: )

[22:07:41]

kormoc:

yeah, we just need to get the playlist support working, ala ipod/iphone ondemand streaming and we'd get it all

[22:07:57]

goldins:

Hello, I have a geforce 6200 connected to my TV with a VGA – > component RCA cable. Should I expect this to work?

[22:07:59]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: I had thought that flash 10 had h264, not 9, but it is indeed in 9

[22:08:06]

wagnerrp:

flowplayer's website is amazing

[22:08:16]

mythtraveler:

ah i see

[22:08:27]

mythtraveler:

yes, commercial skip and other controls in the flash player would be awesome

[22:08:27]

wagnerrp:

it has smooth scrolling windows on my 1GHz laptop, and its not even using flash

[22:08:29]

sphery:

PersonABC: in your case, the problem is almost definitely that mythweb requests that ffmpeg start transcoding the recording, then mythweb starts sending the transcoded data, to the flash player, but your CPU is too slow to transcode the video in realtime, therefore, the player hits the end of the (transcoded portion of the) recording and thinks its done playing.

[22:08:36]

sphery:

i.e. hardware fail

[22:08:47]

wagnerrp:

why cant more web pages be programmed so efficiently...

[22:09:04]

tmkt:

wagnerrp: those humans

[22:09:35]

PersonABC:

sphery, no, I checked the output of ffmpeg, it says: "[mpeg4 @ 0xb7ecf9a8]header damaged, Error while decoding stream #0.0, Floating point exception"

[22:09:58]

goldins:

I have so far tried a bunch of options in xorg.conf, none of which are working, and I'm beginning to suspect that this will just not work and I need a new video card or tv

[22:10:21]

mythtraveler:

goldins, vote for new TV, trying to get PC > component is a mess

[22:10:33]

mythtraveler:

but it can be done w/ 6200

[22:10:46]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: from a glance, they don't support IE in their bling, that helps *a lot*

[22:10:51]

goldins:

mythtraveler: do I need something other than a VGA > component cable?

[22:11:03]

mythtraveler:

i cant recall exactly what I did to make it work in past, but google knows :)

[22:11:09]

mythtraveler:

sorry I cant be of much help

[22:11:16]

mythtraveler:

you shouldn't need anything else

[22:11:24]

mythtraveler:

as long as it's the cable that came w/ the card

[22:11:33]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: so just mandate chrome-frame, or whatever that crap is called

[22:11:39]

kormoc:

hehe

[22:11:43]

goldins:

ah

[22:11:43]

kormoc:

if it gets big, I totally will

[22:11:48]

goldins:

it's not the cable that came with the card

[22:11:59]

kormoc:

goldins: just go try it and see?

[22:12:00]

goldins:

it's a 3 dollar cable from the internet

[22:12:23]

goldins:

kormoc: I'm trying to figure out what to try. I've gotten several different weaving patterns so far :-P

[22:12:27]

Dagmar:

goldins: You *must* be using a 60Hz refresh rate

[22:12:30]

sphery:

PersonABC: oh, then it's likely signal fail on your recorder

[22:12:40]

wagnerrp:

'warning: plugins are required to video the standard HTML content on this page'

[22:12:41]

sphery:

(causing the broken recording)

[22:12:46]

wagnerrp:

s/video/view/

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Dagmar:

goldins: ALthough if you got it for three bucks, the odds are just that you bought a cable never meant to be used with a "normal" video card

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Dagmar:

Some video cards use the normally unused VGA pins to send s-video/composite output as an option.

[22:13:40]

Dagmar:

nvidia, as far as I know, has never done that. They just put round DIN connectors on the card.

[22:13:40]

goldins:

I totally forgot that CRT monitors have set refresh rates :-P

[22:13:43]

PersonABC:

sphery, it does everything else just fine, recording, commercial flagging, and transcoding. The transcoded file that comes out just won't work with flash

[22:13:43]

goldins:

it's been so long

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Dagmar:

So, probably your main problem is that the cable wasn't meant to be used.

[22:14:04]

goldins:

this card has a DVI, a VGA and a svideo

[22:14:05]

goldins:

lol

[22:14:12]

Dagmar:

So use the svideo output

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goldins:

bah

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goldins:

it's ugly!

[22:14:23]

goldins:

and I have a 3 dollar cable!

[22:14:30]

Dagmar:

Converters for s-video to composite CAN easily be just three bucks because it's basically just an inline resistor

[22:14:30]

goldins:

I can't let that go to waste :-P

[22:14:37]

iamlindoro:

PersonABC: the long and the short of it is that people are welcome to use any and all hacks they like, but none of them will go into the code as it's not the correct solution

[22:14:45]

goldins:

but the TV can do 1080i over component

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Dagmar:

VGA to composite, not so much. Generalyl they require some reasonably complex circuitry, or a MUCH more intelligent use of video card outputs than normal.

[22:15:12]

Dagmar:

goldins: Then buy a video card that has component output.

[22:15:19]

Dagmar:

You can't "fake it" with VGA

[22:15:22]

CyberKnet:

three dollar cable, ten dollar headache.

[22:15:27]

iamlindoro:

PersonABC: and yielding to requests to improve/modify it simply validates it as a supported feature, which it's not

[22:15:39]

goldins:

so far it's been a 10 minute headache...

[22:16:13]

mythtraveler:

sounds like the shortest linux headache I've ever heard of

[22:16:19]

PersonABC:

well, question then iamlindoro, so if I can't do the flash on mythweb with nuv, is there a way to have myth transcode to a format that will work better? It comes off in mpeg2 from my pvr-250, but for some reason when myth transcodes it to mpeg4 it puts it in NUV

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CyberKnet:

goldins: I don't think anyone is going to partake in your headache though... :)

[22:16:45]

iamlindoro:

PersonABC: no, any lossy transcode in myth will end up in NUV

[22:17:00]

iamlindoro:

PersonABC: You could user job script something to move it into another container with ffmpeg if you like

[22:17:04]

goldins:

CyberKnet: no one seems to accept my generosity anymore

[22:17:07]

sphery:

PersonABC: funny enough, the changes that will allow that are basically what's missing in the proper approach to the flash streaming

[22:17:16]

CyberKnet:

goldins: I can't imagine why.

[22:17:19]

sphery:

i.e. when you get one, you'll likely get the other (meaning you no longer need the first)

[22:17:26]

jduggan:

is it possible that a tv's EDID reports a mode that it cant even display?

[22:17:30]

Dagmar:

goldins: There's more than a few inexpensive nVidia cards you can get that have a component video breakout box

[22:17:38]

Dagmar:

I've got like two here

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Dagmar:

jduggan: Wait... you're asking if EDID information can be incredibly wrong?

[22:18:00]

Dagmar:

lol

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** CyberKnet has an old nvidia breakout dongle around somewhere **

[22:18:04]

Dagmar:

Oh gods yes it can

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CyberKnet:

useless piece of hardware that never got used.

[22:18:38]

jduggan:

Dagmar, yea i know it can report modes that arent necessarily optimal, but reporting a mode that the tv cant even display seems useless

[22:18:39]

Dagmar:

Dell used to like to ship monitors of different sizes out with the same EDID prom in them, all swearing up and down they were 21" monitors.

[22:18:47]

CyberKnet:

it hangs off of the svideo connector IIRC.

[22:18:56]

jduggan:

Dagmar, heh

[22:19:08]

Dagmar:

jduggan: So yes, sometimes you will need to consult the manufacturers site and set everything explicitly in X

[22:19:21]

Dagmar:

CyberKnet: Never assume that

[22:19:29]

jduggan:

my edid reports 1920x540, which... is just wack

[22:19:33]

jduggan:

it wont even display that

[22:19:42]

CyberKnet:

Dagmar: that it hangs off of the svideo, or that it is useless?

[22:19:44]

Dagmar:

Both of these cards I have use a breakout box, and one has a five pin DIN that looks _exactly_ like s-video but will never ever work

[22:19:51]

PersonABC:

So you're saying do my own transcode instead of using myth to do it?

[22:20:12]

CyberKnet:

Dagmar: aaah. Safer to assume they're useless. heh.

[22:20:22]

iamlindoro:

PersonABC: we're saying do whatever, it's all the same level of unsupported :)

[22:20:34]

PersonABC:

lovely

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kormoc:

PersonABC: just use nuvexport to transcode it to h264 rather then myth itself and use that?

[22:21:39]

kormoc:

or whatever format you want

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Dagmar:

CyberKnet: No, safer to assume that you need to look in the box it came in for a little black breakout unit with a bunch of different connectors on it

[22:22:06]

Dagmar:

If it dosen't have one, then it might actually be s-video.

[22:22:19]

kormoc:

or both, as is often the case with nvidia cards

[22:22:28]

PersonABC:

So, if I have my own job that transcodes it, does it need to be 'marked' somewhere in the database that I've changed the format? Do I just make the output file the same name as the input?

[22:22:56]

CyberKnet:

Dagmar: i don't know – I think if I am not and will never use it then it is safer to pitch it as useless.

[22:23:02]

kormoc:

just overwrite it and rebuild the seek table I'd say

[22:23:43]

PersonABC:

how do I rebuild the seek table?

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Dagmar:

You learn to Google.

[22:24:45]

CyberKnet:

later folks.

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Dagmar:

q=MythTV+how+to+rebuild+seektable

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PersonABC:

got it

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sphery:

or for the fishing impaired: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable

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pyther:

Are you able to watch tv if there is a recording in progress?

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tank-man:

are you asking one of us specifically?

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kormoc:

pyther: you can watch previously recorded tv or the actively recording ones

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pyther:

kormoc, okay, for some reason my one recording started 15 minutes later

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pyther:

I'll see what happens with this one

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PersonABC:

Thanks for your help everyone

[22:36:07]

PersonABC:

I really appreciate it

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PersonABC:

I'll work on hacking a solution now

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PersonABC:

Keep up the good work, look forward to 0.22

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Pascal:

Hi – I'm unable to get MythtT

[22:55:25]

Pascal:

I'm unable to get MythTV to listen to the HDHR LIRC that have working through the network, I can verify communication is working with irw but Myth isn't listening

[22:55:42]

kormoc:

Is Myth compiled with lirc support?

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Pascal:

Yes, I have LIRC compiled in and I tried changing the "LIRC Daemon Socket" in the frontend to 192.168.1.254:5000

[22:56:30]

Pascal:

which is where the HDHR is sending the IR signals, but still no luck

[22:57:13]

Pascal:

should the "LIRC Daemon Socket" be the mythbox where the HDHR is sending the signals, or should it be the HDHR itself, where the signal is coming from? Or the loopback maybe?

[22:58:27]

Pascal:

I do see this in the background on the MythFrontend:

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Pascal:

"LIRC, Error: Failed to connect TCP socket '192.168.1.254:5000' eno: Connection refused (111)"

[22:58:44]

Dagmar:

Yeah there's a reason for that

[22:59:02]

Dagmar:

It shouldn't really be coming as a suprise.

[22:59:37]

Pascal:

Firewall?

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Dagmar:

Did you bother to make anything listen for incoming connections there?

[23:00:29]

pyther:

I set a show to manually record, but it is split into 3 files, why?

[23:00:37]

Dagmar:

Particularly, did you make another lircd listen there?

[23:00:43]

pyther:

I was watching it while it was recording

[23:00:54]

Dagmar:

pyther: Because it's broken down by one hour blocks without a program guide to help it out

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Pascal:

lircd is listening with this command – "/usr/local/sbin/lircd -H udp -d 5000", maybe it shouldn't be listening?

[23:01:12]

Dagmar:

Perhaps you should read the man page

[23:01:26]

Dagmar:

The arguments you picked appear to be nonsense.

[23:01:44]

pyther:

Dagmar, but I was only recording a 30 minute segment

[23:01:54]

pyther:

and the recording are classified as livetv

[23:02:01]

Dagmar:

Oh so you hit 'r' then?

[23:02:11]

kormoc:

pyther: check the logs?

[23:02:19]

pyther:

No I didn't hit 'r'

[23:02:27]

pyther:

I just went in and out of watching the show

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Dagmar:

Then you're looking at the livetv recordings and not the recording you scheduled.

[23:02:48]

kormoc:

pyther: and every time you exit, it stops recording

[23:02:55]

Dagmar:

You can't tell it to record something via a schedule and then go into liveTV and expect it to magically figure out they're the same

[23:03:39]

Dagmar:

Pascal: You should probably give whoever told you to use those arguments a good pinching.

[23:03:42]

pyther:

I see the problem, I had the filter set to livetv instead of default

[23:03:48]

Dagmar:

pyther: It happens.

[23:04:27]

Dagmar:

Pascal: You basically told it to listen to device "5000" and use the "udp" driver.

[23:05:09]

Dagmar:

"Taxi driver! I'd like a haircut with extra lemons, please."

[23:05:45]

pyther:

Is there any free service for tv listings? EPG doesn't work for me :(

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Dagmar:

Not one that doesn't come with an immense amount of hassle.

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pyther:

Hmm

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pyther:

I wonder if the one you have to pay for would have local listings

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kormoc:

Yes, we do

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Dagmar:

If you are in the US, yes.

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kormoc:

and infact, we have a free trial so you can see before you pay if it meets your needs

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pyther:

Okay cool, I might subscribe

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Dagmar:

pyther: It's very, very worth the twenny bocks

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pyther:

The next thing is trying to get the box in the living room and hooked up to the tv

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pyther:

My mother is a fan of a big black box in the living room thought :(

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jamesd2:

pyther, its easier if you have HD tuner and her TV is standard def, and its down right each if she has analog over the air signal to compare it too..

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pyther:

lol

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pyther:

the other problem I have is that this lame ass bios won't detecet the HD or cdrom drive the first boot

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pyther:

I need to boot and then do a reboot, for it to truely boot

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jamesd2:

pyther, dont shut it down... then you don't have to worry about it

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pyther:

then my dad bitches about power, I can't win!

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pyther:

I'm hoping that suspend-2-ram might work, but I doubt it

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jamesd2:

of course then how do you record shows... use the bare minimum config... only 1 hard drive... 1GB of ram...

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Dagmar:

You could always replave the board and CPU with a _working_ board and a power-efficient CPU

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jamesd2:

work on making the box quiet and he may not even notice.

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pyther:

I'd like to do that, but I'm on a budget of spend 0 dollars :X

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jduggan_:

hmmm

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jduggan_:

x config is the suq

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Dagmar:

pyther: You should talk to clever then

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jduggan_:

lol

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pyther:

BIOS update might fix the issue, but I don't have a floppy drive :(

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antgel:

hi all. if i have a freeview (dvb-t) and freesat (dvb-s) tuner in the backend, will my EPG show lots of duplicated channels? (many channels are broadcast on both services)

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jduggan_:

ant, if you name them the same and give them the same channum the epg will supress the duplicates

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jduggan_:

antgel*

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antgel:

jduggan_: okay. to be honest, i forget how to configure the backend, it's literally years since i did my (dvb-t) only one.

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Pascal:

Dagmar: I'm just using the same setup that worked in .21, but now I'm using trunk, I still don't understand which part is wrong and why

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pyther:

How can I get a show to transcode

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antgel:

i vaguely remember something about scanning, then being able to edit channels via the web

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pyther:

It appears to be ending the transcoding at the end of the show

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jduggan_:

antgel: how did you cope during the channel shifting if you didnt rescan?

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pyther:

I have a recording and it says it can't find a file for it, and everytime I try to delete it, it fails

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pyther:

How can I manually remove it?

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sphery:

antgel: same channel number and same callsign (name doesn't matter)

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sphery:

(though many refer to callsign as name, they're actually different, so make sure you change the right one)

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wagnerrp:

well this is interesting

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wagnerrp:

one of the other stations in the area picked up The Office, in syndication

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sphery:

and it's re-recording Benihana Christmas a bunch of times?

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wagnerrp:

theyre playing 16:9 video, compressed to 4:3 (not clipped), and then pillarboxed

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sphery:

can you check your oldrecorded and program and see if you get multiple different seriesid's: SELECT seriesid, programid FROM program WHERE title = 'The Office' AND subtitle = 'A Benihana Christmas';

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sphery:

and do the same for oldrecorded... In mine, the new in-syndications stuff has no seriesid, so it gets a truncated portion of programid

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wagnerrp:

oldrecorded gives EP007261330039, program has EP007261330062 and EP007261330062

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wagnerrp:

EP007261330063

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wagnerrp:

seriesid are all the same, EP00726133

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antgel:

jduggan_: that's easy, i'm about to emigrate and my mythbox is packed up in storage ;-)

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antgel:

sphery: thanks

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